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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "How is it that a male god had a male son without \na feminine counterpart if as above so below? We  "}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "follow these myths or religious understandings \nthat we've been taught without questioning that  "}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "without question. If somebody said, \"Oh, I had \na dream today and an angel showed up and told me  "}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "to do that.\" Most people would look at them like \nthey were insane. But most of our faith is based  "}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "off of someone that had an interaction like that. \nBut it was told to us by someone with authority,  "}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "our mother, our father. And it was told \nto them by someone with authority. And we  "}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "give that authority. And wherever they got that \ninformation, whether it's from the Hebrew Bible,  "}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "whether it's from the Quran, whether it's from the \nancient texts of the Va, we believe it based upon  "}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "the authority that someone else has put in it. But \nmany things we haven't questioned for ourselves."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "I watch my daughters now and I'm scared to death \nbecause of the karma because I know the things  "}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "that I did to women. So, I have to make sure \nnone of this stuff is around. And mind you,  "}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "I didn't masturbate until I was 25 years \nold. I had them remove the television out  "}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "of the room of the hotel cuz I couldn't \nstop. I couldn't stop. again watching it."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "There's Hollywood etiquette. We don't know. \nYou don't know coming into it that if somebody  "}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "offers you a cigarette, you probably more \nshould more than likely should go out and  "}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "have a cigarette with them. Even if you \ndon't smoke, it's just in Ren and Rome,  "}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "do what the Romans are doing. If they offer you a \njoint, you sit there and have a joint with them. I  "}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "didn't know that was a reality that allows people \nto come into the teepee. Let's do these things  "}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "together. And if it's outside of your warehouse, \nthen you say it's outside of your warehouse.  "}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "But because I didn't do coke, I didn't do all of \nthose things that when somebody would pull it out,  "}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "I would take a take a little step back \nwith it. I didn't realize that was making  "}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "me take a step back from them. And a lot \nof people in this business took it that"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "There's still parts of me that's like, \"Wow, I \ndodged a bullet with Epstein.\" So that's there's  "}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "a part of me that's so grateful that I wasn't \ninvited, but back then I felt excluded. Back  "}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "then I felt like, \"Oh, I'm I must be doing \nsomething wrong. I wish I had participated  "}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "in some of the drugy and then wouldn't have \nalienated people that were good friends with  "}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "my that could have been good friends because \nI still ended up participating in the drugy  "}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "when I got older. But at the time, at the time, \nI just didn't want to do it because I had these  "}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "other things that were pressing upon me. Now, I \ndidn't get stuck into drugy. It would have been  "}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "nice to take some walks. When I look back in my \n30s, could have ended nasty. It could have ended.  "}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "The fact that you didn't is probably a better \nthing. So, the universe places you can't really  "}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "regret anything. But there's still parts of me \nthat's like, wow, I dodged a bullet with Epstein.  "}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "I dodged a bullet because I wasn't invited \nto those places. But at the time I didn't see"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Do we need to start thinking [music] in terms \nof foreign policy based on our deepest belief  "}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "because I'm a citizen of the United States. I'm \nalso a Christian. I'm a Catholic. [music] I can't  "}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "separate church and state. Like this side of \nme is my citizenship and this side of me is  "}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "my there has to be an integration because look, a \ngovernment, a society is a collection of people. I  "}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "can't bracket out the [music] most important thing \nto me which is Jesus Christ. I can't bracket that  "}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "out of my life and be a citizen or [music] to \nbe a father or a worker. is at my core of who  "}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "I am. And so that is going to [music] direct my \ndecisions, the way I run my businesses, my family,  "}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "on and on and on. I would [music] say the net \nbenefit has been tremendously good for humanity."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "This war back and forth is not slowing"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "down and it's getting worse and worse."}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "So, tariff refunds contribute to"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "record-setting corporate profit boost."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "This is Canadian tariffs that they're"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "talking about. Tom, can you go a little"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "bit deeper on this retaliatory tariff"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "that's going on with Canada and the US?"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "I'll read one of the stories and I'll"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "turn it over to you. Bully feud erupts"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "between Trump and Ontario Doug Ford over"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "China's trade tariffs. Okay, I don't"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "know if you guys got a clip on this or"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "not. If you do, I'll read this and then"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "we'll possibly go to clip and then time"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "I'm coming to you first. The war of"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "words between US and Canada is heating"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "up alongside the trade war with Ontario"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "Premier Doug Ford twice telling"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "President Trump \"Kiss my ass.\" Trump"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "pledged Monday to raise tariffs on"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "Canadian cars, trucks, auto parts, and"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "steel to 50% in January after 50%"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "tariffs on other goods"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "landed Saturday when trade talks"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "collapsed. Canada has been ripping off"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "the United States for"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "years, Trump posted, including \"We do"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "not yet need Canada. They need us.\""}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "Prime Minister Mark Carney suspended"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "negotiations Friday over last-minute"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "changes he called unfair, uneconomic,"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "vowing to retaliate dollar for dollar."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "Ford, calling Trump a bully, said Canada"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "must throw everything and the kitchen"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "sink at him. I have a lot of real estate"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "on my ass"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "and uh so he has a lot of room to kiss"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "my ass. Ford, is this Ford talking? Play"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "the clip. Play the clip of him. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> looks like Brock Lesnar, older?"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> He does."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> force cuz with Trump, you know, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "I'm not going to I'm I'm just not going"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "take the bait. This guy's a loser. He's"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "going to be a loser and simple as that."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "We're going to fight with everything we"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "have and uh you know something? I have"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "more courage, more brains in my baby toe"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "than he has in his whole body. So, there"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "you go."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "And I have a lot of real estate on my"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "ass, so he has a lot of room to kiss my"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "ass."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": ">> If you're getting Canadians to talk this"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "way,"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "if you're getting Canadians to start"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "talking about this way, Canadians are"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "the most polite people on the planet and"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "they got Brock Lesnar's twin out there,"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "you got a problem."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": ">> You better back it up when you're"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "talking like this. You better back it"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "up."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> Tom, your thoughts on this?"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:07", "text": ">> Okay. So, when when Trump says Canada's"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "been ripping us off for years, what he's"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "talking about is two key disputes that"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "go back literally 20 years. Canada has"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "been disad- has been throwing"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "disadvantages at American farmers and"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "American lumber industry for years."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "Canada's got a lot of cows in Alberta."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "They got a lot of grassland up there and"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "they have a lot of lumber. And what"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "they've done is they've done a thing"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "called stumpage fees. Stumpage fees"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "basically creates an advantage and a"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "subsidy to their own lumber people who"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "then ship plywood and building products"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "to the United States and disadvantage"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "the US suppliers. So, this has been"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "going Makes it sense, Pat? So, that's"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "been going on for a long time. Also,"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "dairy has been going on. Guess what?"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "There's the cows. That's been going on"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "for a long time. So, Trump got into this"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "on the good side that hey, man, there's"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "been a couple areas for you guys who"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "really kind of been messing with us and"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "we really want to straighten these out."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "And Canada's like, \"No, no, no, we don't"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "want to touch those.\" And they said,"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "\"No, you've been ripping us off for a"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "lot of time.\" That's what Trump is"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "talking about. I don't know if rip off"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "is the word, but the those have been"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "things that have been unresolved, so"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "that's what Trump was pissed off about."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "Now, who's Doug Ford? Doug Ford is the"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "governor of Ontario."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "Governor of Ontario. So, he's basically"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "the Gavin Newsom of Canada. He goes to"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "the microphone. He's unafraid to say"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "stuff like this. This is what it's all"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "about. Meanwhile, Mark Carney is playing"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "because the EU has told Mark Carney that"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "they're giving him green light to go up"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "against Trump. We're going to help you"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "out. We're going to do this. We'll trade"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "with you. There's things we'll do. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "the Canada with a GDP 1/10 of the US 31"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "versus 1.3 trillion dollars. They are"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "sitting there, you know, you know, 3.1"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "31 versus 3.1 pushing it. So, that's"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "what's going on. Mean now, all of a"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "sudden, you've got Trump elevating it,"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "saying Trump things. You know, you guys"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "are idiots. You're the worst it's ever."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "Where Trump"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Renaming a lake."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> Where Trump started in a good point that"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "we needed to level the playing field for"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "the lumber industries, dairy, and"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "others. Digital services, too. And now"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "it escalated into this where they're"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "screaming each other. We're renaming a"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "lake."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": ">> Is that kind of frame it? I want to play"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "this clip for you. So, this is President"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "Trump on Glenn Beck talking about what"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "it's like to do business with Canada. Go"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "for it."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> They are one of the worst countries in"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "the world to deal with. They're And this"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "has gone on for many years."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> Wait, wait, wait. Can we say this? I"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "love Canadians and Canada. I do not like"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "their administration."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": ">> Okay. Well, the administration and the"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "previous administration too was terrible"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "with"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": ">> But they have taken advantage of the"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "United States for many decades,"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "actually. They charge tariffs uh"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "unbelievable. Like on milk, 400%"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "and on like And I just said we're taking"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "them on. And I took them on at the"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "beginning. But we had so many other"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "things to do cuz the country was a mess."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "But I said we're going to take them on."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "We're going to stop it. And you saw the"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "Lake Ontario. Like you know, people"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "thought I was kidding."}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "Maybe I wasn't because the last one you"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "saw was the uh Gulf of Mexico is Gulf of"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "America."}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:20", "text": ">> I know. I know. He's so"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": ">> Now we have a gulf. But we have a lake."}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "Okay? You know, it's very simple. But"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "But look, I don't want to go to great"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "detail because it's maybe boring to"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "people, but to me it's not boring. Uh"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "they charge tariffs. They take advantage"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "of us uh as though they were state. And"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "they're not a state. And they've taken"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "our car industry, and they've taken our"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "uh agriculture industry. You know, the"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "farmers can't sell anything in there"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "because the tariffs are so"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> enormous. And yet they want to sell in"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "us without any tax. So"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:50", "text": ">> What do you think about what he said?"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "You can pause it right there. What do"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "you think about what he"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> He's right. This is what I was talking"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "about. He didn't mention lumber, but"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "lumber and and dairy, you know, and he's"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "talking about milk. Those have been two"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "areas that have been going on for a long"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "time have been unresolved. And they've"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "been giving benefit to Canada. Here's"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "where you you have to be careful with"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "the auto industry. The US sends aluminum"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "to Canada. Canada makes parts out of it"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "and then they sell the parts back to"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "Ford. We We use materials, turn it into"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "parts, and send it to them. 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You know, you take one of those,"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "you put the aluminum heads on it, little"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "bit of aftermarket"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> I had one. I had a Ford Bronco with one."}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> And they're bulletproof."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:46", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:48", "text": ">> The engine will last longer than the"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "car. And it's tremendous. Well, you know"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "where Windsor is? Windsor Locks is"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "directly It is There's a trivia."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": ">> It's above Detroit, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:55", "text": ">> South of Detroit."}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> South of Detroit, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> Windsor, Canada is the only place that"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "you can go south from the United States"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "and get into Canada. Every other place"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "you have to go north. You can go south"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "cuz it goes this way."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> South Windsor, yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": ">> And so, the Windsor factory was named"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "there. So, the the auto industry, Pat,"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "we've had good symbiotic relationships"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "that help people, working moms and dads"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "that were working auto industry."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:15", "text": ">> Who has leverage here?"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> Supplier"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:17", "text": ">> Who has leverage here?"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": ">> We have the leverage."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> Go, light them up."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:21", "text": ">> And do we have the leverage now?"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> And then and then the short Why do we"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "not have the leverage?"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> I I just worry that, you know, first of"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "all, talk about the funniest president"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "of all time. I'm sorry. If you hate him,"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "but to name the renamed the lake"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "[laughter] just to spite, it's like you"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "want TO DIVORCE ME, I'M GOING TO PEE IN"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "every corner of the house. See you. You"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "know, I To me, he makes me laugh so"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "hard. That's just so silly. But I I just"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "wonder if 50% tariffs, which obviously"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "he probably won't stand with. He just"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "usually goes crazy and then there's we"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "scale back from there. But is this good"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "right now for the economy? Is this Is"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "this timing uh beneficial to Do we have"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "the leverage?"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": ">> He took the tariff off of beef itself,"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "not dairy, but beef, so that we can get"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "cows and beef from Alberta."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> So we took He took that off, so we can"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "get Okay."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> that If you go look at that beef"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> price of meat Don't mess with my steak."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:11", "text": ">> Well, he's trying to help the American"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "barbecue because right now ground beef"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "is six bucks."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:15", "text": ">> And and and 7 years ago it was three"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "bucks."}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> Remember earlier this year we made some"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "adjustments on our merch and we had"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "certain things that because of the shows"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "and all this other stuff that was going"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "on. Let me tell you what the big"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "announcement is. We decided we want to"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "take this concept of Future Looks Bright"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "FLB to the next level. What do I mean by"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "this?"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "Well, you know, I said instead of"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "vtmerch.com,"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "why don't we and one of our executive's"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "wives to be exact, RJ's wife said, \"Why"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "don't you guys go buy the domain"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "flb.com?\" I'm like, \"That's a million"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "dollar domain. That's three letters.\""}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "\"Well, why don't we go buy it?\" Well,"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "guess what we did. We officially bought"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "flb.com. We have an entire new"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "collection called the icon collection is"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "out and I'm introducing it to you. Now,"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "I want you to watch the manifesto of"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "what Future Looks Bright really stands"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "for and the amount of thinking we put"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "into this the last 12 months just to"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "launch it to you. And the reason why"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "we're sharing this with you today,"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "you're going to get more stuff that's"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "coming out. A lot of you guys that are"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "going to the vault, you will see all"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "this stuff right there. Uh new shoes,"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "new loafers, a lot of different things."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "There's going to be another thing that's"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "coming out here soon as well. But with"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "that being said, I just want you to"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "watch this manifesto of what FLB Future"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "Looks Bright stands for. Go forward."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "There is a moment when you realize no"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "one is coming to change your life for"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "No one is going to hand you clear"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "vision."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "No one is going to hand you perseverance"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "to not give up."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "No one is going to hand you a better"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "future."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "That realization can feel heavy"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "or it can feel powerful."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "Future Looks Bright was born in that"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "moment. Not as a promise. Not as blind"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "optimism. But as a decision."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "A decision to take ownership. To raise"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "[music] your standards. To strengthen"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "your body. To sharpen your mind. To move"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "forward even when progress feels slow."}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "Optimism is not something you say. It is"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "something you live. And this is where"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "most people fall off. Because in the"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "end, it's simple."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "You either take ownership or you don't."}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "You either hold the standard or you"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "lower it. You either build or you wait."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "Your standards stop wavering. Your"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "actions stop depending on motivation."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "Your results stop being random. They"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "become earned. The future looks bright."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:37", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:38", "text": ">> So sick."}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Dude, I like that logo."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> I love the logo. Listen, we went"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "through hundreds of logos. And if you"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "notice, you see the F, go back to the"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "You see the F, you see the L, and you"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "see the B. flb.com. We're so excited"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "about this project. Uh so, if you go to"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "flb.com right now, go to the icon"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "collection, go to the top where you see"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "icon collection right there. You have a"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "bunch of new items to go through. The"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "hats, if you go through, there's five"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "different colors with the new FLB logo."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "The shirt quality ridiculous. Even the"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "basic tees for you to wear. And the"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "pants that we have that you can wear"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "regular casually or to work on a daily"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "basis. Uh we're so excited about this"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "and we got a lot of other things that's"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "going to be coming out. So, if you want"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "to participate in this, please go to"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "flb.com. Place your order for yourself,"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "your husband, your sons. And uh we're"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "excited about this next uh venture that"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "we're going on with FLB. All right. If"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "you enjoyed this video, you want to"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "watch more videos like this, click here."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "And if you want to watch the entire"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "podcast, click here."}]

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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "You're you're worried about this like"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "Lake America, whatever you're changing."}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "Let me tell you what's an insult. You"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "know what's coming up in a couple weeks?"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "The 25-y year anniversary of 9/11."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> Okay. So then imagine this is a country"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "that wants to be partners with America."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "And 2 weeks before the 25-y year"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "anniversary of 9/11, CBC, which is the"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "PBS of Canada, sends an email to tell"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "their journalists not to call 9/11"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "terrorist attack in internal guidance."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "They know they're they're doing this two"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "weeks before 911. Can you go back to the"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "email so we can read the email what it"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "looks like?"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> That's so outrageous."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> That is so outrage. Look at this here."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Do not refer to the September 11 attacks"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "as terrorist attacks. The hijackings led"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "to passenger jet crashes in DC,"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Pennsylvania, and Manhattan. The World"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "Trade Center was destroyed. September 11"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "digital archive is an excellent resource"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "for details about the attacks. It was"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "created by several US universities,"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "historical societies, and foundations."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "If you have any specific questions about"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "the 9/11 anniversary coverage you are"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "working on, please reach out to your"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "editorial leader or JSP office. Thanks"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "and take care."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> Scumbags, scumbags. So, so, so, so"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "you're worried about me changing the"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "names to a damn lake and you want to go"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "out there and the worst event that's"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "happened in America the last 25 years"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "that the 25 year anniversary is coming"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "up. You have the audacity to say this is"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "not a terrorist attack. What was it"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "then? No problem. No problem. Does this"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "sound like, by the way, this is the part"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "that you have to realize this is not the"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "CNN of Canada. This is not the ABC of"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "Canada. This is not a blogger. This is"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "not the Breitbart or Daily Wire or Midas"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "Touch. This is the governmentf funded"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": ">> CBC news sending an email to their"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "people saying 9/11 wasn't a terrorist"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "act. Does that sound like a partner to"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "you?"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": ">> Does that sound like a partner to you or"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "is that an insult, a spit in your in"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "your face? I'm so glad he's pushing"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "back. I really am so glad he's pushing"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "back. And unless somebody from the"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "government comes up and says that email"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "is not how we feel about it, if Carney"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "and other leaders start spewing that"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "same rhetoric, saying, \"Yeah, you know"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "what? 911 wasn't a terrorist attack."}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "We're not dealing with a partner here."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "We're just not.\""}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> It's almost so crazy. I want to I want"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "to think I'm being had. Like I It feels"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "like an April Fool's joke."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> And it's not. It's It's legit."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> Well, I want to see what Carney says in"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "in in response to this. I got to see"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "what they say because they Canada's got"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "to make a statement."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> Well, I'll tell you what Carney said"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "about this. They get 1.5 billion. So CBC"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "operates on a budget of about $ 1.5"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "billion a year. Apparently 450 million"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "of that is from advertising. They raise"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "advertising revenue just like any media"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "company. You pay to put an ad on. The"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "the rest comes from the government of"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "Canada and Mark Carney just gave them a"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "10% increase. So there you go."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> He probably did that beforehand, I'm"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "hoping, but I don't."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> So what's the date on that email?"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "Can you tell me exactly when the date on"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "that email is that they sent?"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "Can you go back to the Fox article that"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "you have and see if it tells you what is"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "the date of that email? Canadian rock on"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "Thursday. On Thursday. Yesterday."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": ">> Yesterday."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> This this memo is yesterday. So the"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": ">> defended it. And they defended it"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": ">> and they defended it. And they defended"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": ">> politically because they were"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "politically and emotionally loaded. You"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "mean the truth? The truth is politically"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "and emotionally loaded. Yes. So is"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "killing three over 3,000 of my citizens."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": ">> That is pretty wild. That is by the way,"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "you know, 4.9% of Canada's Muslim"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "population, 1.8 million and climate."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "[snorts] So, who knows if there was any"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "motive there, but uh"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> well,"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> this is pretty wild."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> Cowards. I look at this as purely"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "political because I'm trying to what I"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "what I would do in this situation is put"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "myself in Canada shoes because obviously"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "we're thinking as Americans like who the"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "hell are these guys? Piece of crap. How"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "dare you? which that sentiment is"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "downright accurate and if not uh more"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "disgusting than that. But I'm putting"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "myself in Canada's shoes. So Trump is"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "hugely unpopular in Canada. I like what"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "Glenn Banks said when he goes, \"Listen,"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "I love the Canadian people. The"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "government is what I got a problem with"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "and that's why I want to focus here.\" So"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "Tom talked about Windsor. My dad's from"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "Detroit. I would go to Windsor in a in a"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "half hour. So talk about intertwining."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "And by the way, we're talking about"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "midterms because Canada's basically"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "saying we got two, three months. We"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "think that Trump is going to lose the"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "House. So at that point, we'll have more"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "leverage. Boom. And then what is the"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "state that's up for grabs that's right"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "on the Canadian border? Michigan. This"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "guy also basically saying, what kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "pain can we sustain? You know, we talk"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "about short-term pain for long-term"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "gain. They're saying we'll pay the price"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "economically. Our citizens are going to"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "have to pay more money. We're going to"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "deal with it in in tariffs, but we're"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "going to hopefully have Trump lose"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "politically. And that's why this guy"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "Doug Ford is talking tough. Kiss my ass."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": ">> he's the bad cop. He's just a governor,"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "but he's the bad cop at the microphone."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": ">> At the end of the day, they're betting"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "that Trump's going to lose the midterms"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "that they're going to come out with more"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "leverage in in two to three months."}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "That's why they're talking tough."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "They're not actually tough. They're"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "talking tough. And they're basically"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "saying, \"Mess with us. We're going to do"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "our best to make sure you lose"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "Michigan.\" So Canada ain't stupid. The"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "government's woke, but they're not"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "stupid."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Oh, but for you to for you to come out"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "and have the audacity to say 911 wasn't"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "a terrorist attack."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> Now, that I think Americans"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "need to turn that into a bigger deal."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:38", "text": ">> Americans,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:40", "text": ">> correct,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": ">> need to turn that into a bigger deal."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "That's not a left, right, center. I"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "don't care where you lie, you have to"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "turn that into a bigger deal."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> The 25 years coming up, that's not"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "acceptable."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> How do you think they would do"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "something?"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> Oh, you know what I would do? I would I"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "would call I would call I would call"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "Carney and have my team call out to them"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "and said if if this apology doesn't come"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "from the top and you don't clarify, we"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "don't even want to talk to you. Nothing."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "If from the top you don't come out and"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "say the comments of CBC is not the"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "comments of us and clarify and make that"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "phone call and they change their"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "position,"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": ">> And I want that today."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> We have a very we have a very big"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "problem. So remember earlier this year"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "we made some adjustments on our merch"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "and we had certain things that because"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "of the shoes and all this other stuff"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "that was going on. Let me tell you what"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "the big announcement is. We decided we"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "want to take this concept of future look"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "sprite FLB to the next level. What do I"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "mean by this? Well, you know I said"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "instead of vtmerch.com"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "why don't we and one of our executives"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "wives to be exact R.J.'s wife said why"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "don't you guys go buy the domain.com."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "I'm like, \"That's a million-dollar"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "domain. That's three letters.\" Well, why"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "don't we go buy it? Well, guess what we"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "did? We officially bought flb.com. We"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "have an entire new collection called the"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "icon collection is out. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "introducing it to you. Now, I want you"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "to watch the manifesto of what future"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "looks bright really stands for. And the"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "amount of thinking we put into this, the"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "last 12 months just to launch it to you."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "And the reason why we're sharing this"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "with you today, you're going to get more"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "stuff that's coming out. A lot of you"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "guys that are going to the vault, you"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "will see all this stuff right there. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "new shoes, new loafers, a lot of"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "different things. There's going to be"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "another thing that's coming out here"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "soon as well. But with that being said,"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "I just want you to watch this manifesto"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "of what FLB, Future Looks Bright, stands"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "for. Go for it. There is a moment when"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "you realize no one is coming to change"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "your life for you. No one is going to"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "hand you clear vision. No one is going"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "to hand you perseverance to not give up."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "No one is [music] going to hand you a"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "better future."}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "That realization can feel heavy or it"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "can feel powerful."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "Future looks [music] bright was born in"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "that moment. Not as a promise, not as"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "blind optimism, but as a decision. 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Your"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "standards stop wavering. Your actions"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "stop depending on motivation. Your"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "results stop being random. They become"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "earned. The future looks bright."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:34", "text": ">> So sick."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> Dude, I like that."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> I love that logo. I love the logo."}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "Listen, we went through hundreds of"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "logos and if you notice, you see the F,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> go back to the you see the F, you see"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "the L, and you see the B. FB.com. We're"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "so excited about this project."}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": ">> Uh, so if you go to FLB.com right now,"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "go to the icon collection, go to the top"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "where you see icon collection. Right"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "there, you have a bunch of new items to"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "go through. The hats, if you go through,"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "there's five different colors with the"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "new FB logo. The shirt quality,"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "ridiculous. even the basic TE's for you"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "to wear and the pants that we have that"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "you can wear regular casually or to work"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "on a daily basis. Uh we're so excited"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "about this and we got a lot of other"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "things that's going to be coming out. So"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "if you want to participate in this,"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "please go to flb.com, place your order"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "for yourself, your husband, your sons"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "and uh we're excited about this next uh"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "venture that we're going on with FLB."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "All right, if you enjoy this video, you"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "want to watch more videos like this,"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "click here. And if you want to watch the"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "entire podcast, click here."}]

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And that's also why all these"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> gets heavier when the Earth gets bigger."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> Yeah, stronger. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": ">> Whoa. So how does solar wind tie into"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "all this? Because the solar wind coming"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "from the for coming from the sun"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "uh somehow creates like the Van Allen"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "radiation belts"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "around the Earth, is that right?"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": ">> The the the sun itself, yeah, has its"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "electromagnetic field. And the And the"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "Earth itself is like a giant, yeah,"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "a generator of and it's fed by the"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "[clears throat] energy of the sun"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "uh by like umbilical cords. But the sun"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "itself is also well connected to the"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "center of of of the the the Milky Way."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "And the Milky Way is again connected, so"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "it's like all interconnected thing. The"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "Van Allen belts are are like"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "protection shields of the Earth."}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": ">> Right. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "we And then we go to to the heart of the"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "matter, that matter itself is just"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "nonexistent in the sense that it's uh"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "electric electromagnetism. Like it's"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "like um And so if if you have like an"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "enormous amount of of energy coming into"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "it it's matter starts to become created."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "And that"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "is one of the explanations why the earth"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "is is growing."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "Well, yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> That's crazy, man."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> There are there are other options as"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "well. They say from mostly it's like"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "iron and if you start"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "if you iron starts to rust, corrodes, it"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "multiplies by eight in in volume. But"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "but the earth's expansion theory is is"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "is very"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "Yeah, it's"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> Is this a super fringe theory that's not"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "not accepted by many scientists or is"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "this is this sort of like a mainstream"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "thing?"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> It's it's well well documented as well"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "that that certain parts of the world"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "are connected geologically to the others"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "and if you start like shrinking it, it"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "all matches perfectly. So the whole idea"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "that Pangea, which was"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "Now the idea is that we had like a big"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "ball and this was one land mass in the"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "middle."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "And there there and everything was water"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "surrounding it."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:48", "text": ">> Um and then it starts to to split"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "through through"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "Um but if you just make Pangea the whole"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "ball"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> with some lakes on it"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "and you start growing it then then it"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "get like the whole lot"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:06:59", "text": ">> So is earth theoretically the only one"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "that's expanding or do you think all the"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "planets could be? Is this according to"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "this theory do they think all the"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "planets could be expanding as well?"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "Cuz some of these planets are just got"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "gas gas balls."}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> They're just gas, yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:13", "text": ">> Yeah, so"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": ">> Or maybe that's what happens when it"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "gets so big it just turns into gas."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "And then they"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": ">> Yeah, it's"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": ">> [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": ">> It seems the it seems most likely to me"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "that there's this theory that if"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "[clears throat] all the planets are"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "expanding away from the sun"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:32", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": ">> that you know, if Mars was once in the"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "habitable zone and earth was more like"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "where Venus is"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "that you know"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "life would have to jump back to the"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "planet that's close to the habitable"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "zone."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "Right? So, like maybe in like millions"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "and millions of years Venus will be now"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "where Earth is aligned with. And then we"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "will have to do jump back to"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "Venus."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "What is this, Steve?"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": ">> It's a"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:56", "text": ">> Oh. Oh, thank you."}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:58", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": ">> Can I Can I open this one?"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:07:59", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's cold ones out"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "there if you want one."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": ">> Oh, it's fine. It's fine."}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Oh, this is a weird animation because it"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "shows the land covering all of the"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "surface."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": ">> Yes, so the the Pangea is is not like"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "one piece of land"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "surrounded by water, but the Pangea was"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "the whole ball itself."}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "And there was no water on the surface."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": ">> No water on the surface, and the water"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "is created by the planet itself as well."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "So, that because now the whole theory is"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "that water is is entering through"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "meteorites"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "um one by one."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "Uh but if if the Earth is able to create"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "its water,"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "then we have like a whole other story."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:46", "text": ">> Yeah, well, there's um"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "allegedly there is"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "uh there were they they they believe"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "astrophysicists believe that there was"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "more"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "mhm deeper and bigger oceans on Mars"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "than there is currently on Earth. Like"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "in ancient Mars, there was probably"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "What's the stat, Steve? They think it"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "was maybe eight times the amount of"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "water the amount of volume in oceans on"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "Mars than is currently on Earth."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": ">> Which is very interesting. Like where"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "did all that water go? Did the planet"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "just die? 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "As soon as I left Egypt"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "a week later"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "we got these phone calls from friends in"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "in the United States. Trevor Grassy and"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "because he was visiting the site with"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "the a tour group and he said they are"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "like excavating here. I said this is not"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "possible because we need first to to"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "drain the site and do the whole process"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "and you know, sure they are excavating"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> When was this?"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> This was in"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "March, early March."}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:28", "text": ">> Of this year?"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> Oh, so you've been back?"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> Yeah, and I was back and I I went back"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "again, but at that time they started"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "excavating and they are still excavating"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "and was complete shock. So from suddenly"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "they jumped over the whole thing over"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "over the whole master preservation plan"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "and first putting the the site earlier"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "drain the site and and so now they are"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "like full on excavating the the Egyptian"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "government itself from the the Fayum"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "inspectorate and it's like a very"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "properly done"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "archaeological mission and now they are"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "at the first levels."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "So they are like exposing giant"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "megalithic walls and and"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "and according to to the interviews"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "online they they mentioned that they"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "will go down"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "as deep as they are able to go."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> And they just started this in March?"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Holy Do you have any images of"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "this?"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> Yes, yes. I think the the recent uh"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": ">> And it was so real quick, go back to"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "that. What is going on in that picture"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "where those guys are dragging that"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "cooler looking thing?"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": ">> This is GPR. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "That was like part one of the tools that"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "we used um in 2008."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> Oh, for the Mataha?"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": ">> For the Mataha expedition, yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "Uh is this what you're talking about?"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": ">> These these ones, yeah. These were"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "images from in March so they are way way"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "deeper now. I think there's another one"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "as well."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:54", "text": ">> Holy."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> Yeah, there's nothing there."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "So"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:01:59", "text": ">> you"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": ">> there's Oh, you're being sarcastic."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "Yeah, seriously."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": ">> It looks like they're just stones"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "stacked on top of each other, right?"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> Yeah, and they're still going deeper and"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "deeper, and the idea according to"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:15", "text": ">> What's that?"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> Ah, Metsope."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "These are like parts that they are"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "re- recovering."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "These look like parts of of pillars and"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> Uh-huh."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> And um"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "And it's completely"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "done by the Egyptians themselves."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "this would be, in your view,"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "what what are we looking at? What do you"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "think we're looking at here in the"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "context of the whole labyrinth? Like"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "what what would you imagine that this"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "is?"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> But this is not deep. It might be like"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "only like two two meters or so. So, and"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "at around five meters is is where this"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "whole foundation layer situated."}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "according to to"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "to the geophysical research Matai"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "expedition by National Research"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Institute"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> it"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "it starts become really interesting at"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "minus five."}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "And then"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:14", "text": ">> But it come five meters under the"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "ground."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": ">> Yes, underneath this foundation layer."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "And according to to the satellite"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "scanners, it becomes really interesting"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "at minus 20 when they get hit the the"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "mother rock."}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "Because so far this this building is"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": ">> The bedrock, yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": ">> So 20 meters down is like the floor of"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "the labyrinth."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": ">> That's So"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "the everything above 20 meters"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": ">> is is is built"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "like like these blocks built. Everything"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "below 20 meters is carved out of of the"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "of the mother rock out of the bedrock."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> So then it becomes like more like like a"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "cave."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> How many feet is 20 is a meter?"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "A meter, do you know what meter to feet"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "is?"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> a yard."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "It's very close to a yard."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> What's it but what is it in feet?"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "A meter is about a yard?"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:13", "text": ">> Uh yeah, 3.2 feet."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> So it's three so 1 meter is 3 feet."}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "So 20 meters is about 60 feet."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": ">> It's pretty deep."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": ">> So okay so you think"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "below 20 meters"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "there is still labyrinth structure"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "underneath 20 meters but it's all carved"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "out of one piece of rock."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": ">> Yeah, the the bedrock natural bedrock."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": ">> Natural bedrock and above 20 meters"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "that's when they start to use stones to"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "add to it."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": ">> Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": ">> I understand."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "according to"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "to Herodotus he was able to visit the"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "upper layers."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "The enormous building but he was not"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "able to to go down the deeper levels."}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> Because there was no permission for him."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "It was only by the Egyptian priests and"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "he had"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "those sacred crocodiles who were"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "present."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": ">> Sacred crocodiles?"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": ">> Crocodiles. It was the culture Sobek and"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "we we also know that the labyrinth is"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "was there because of the the vicinity"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "vicinity of of the crocodile"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "The the city of the crocodiles."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": ">> Oh"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "Um but according to to the the recent"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "satellite scans by by Merlin Burrows and"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "and geo scans"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "the the spaces below that are like"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "carved out of the bedrock are enormous."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:45", "text": ">> They're like one one space is"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "around 100 meters long on 40 meters"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "wide."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:50", "text": ">> So, is this from your first expedition"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "right here?"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> No, this is from the the the latest"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "satellite scan."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "Research by by the makers who later"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "founded Merlin Burrows."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> Oh, this is the Merlin Burrows."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": ">> And what year was this scan done?"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> This was um I think early"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "Yeah, 2015."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> 2015."}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": ">> And what what are we looking at here?"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "Can you ex- like break this down? Like"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "there's different colors. It looks like"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "It looks like a seafloor or something"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "like that. And I can see like little"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "square"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "sort of like imprints in the ground."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "How do you translate this?"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": ">> First, it's it's the the scale. As if"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "you know how how big it is, pretty im-"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "impressive. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "it's So, like the center the central"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "room there, the the central thing."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": ">> The the the purple channel in the"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "middle?"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": ">> Yeah, the whole thing. It's it's"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "separated. It's like one one big space"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "like like an atrium."}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> Like the the size of like"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": ">> Punch it on one of those, Steve. Punch"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "it on like the left or the right one."}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> It's like like a shopping mall."}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "Um where"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "the altitude is around 40 40 m."}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "It's where you can see all the different"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "layers coming together."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> Um and then in the center is this"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "cubic space of around 40 m on 40 m."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> What what's what's the cubic space"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "that's 40 ft m to 40 m?"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": ">> The the the central one there are there."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "The the This is the long one and that's"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "the the uh"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:32", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. You can see there's a square"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "right here."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": ">> Okay. Another square right here and then"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "another one right there. Okay. And"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "there's You're saying there's the the"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "this center area is like the size of a"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "shopping mall."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": ">> Yes. We also"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "all the"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "colors"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "they they indicate different layers."}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "So, the the yellow is at the top"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "it goes down then with orange, red."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "all the way"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> And purple and"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> this is the inverted one. So, up here"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "it's like the reverse. So, the yeah. So,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "because you have also like a complete"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "moat around the"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:14", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": ">> the"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "the structure and"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "that was very"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "Yeah, it has the shape of an omega."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": ">> And um"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "and and that's very distinct."}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "And was quite a surprise because the the"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "archeologists involved from University"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "College London, they immediately made"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "the link with with the moat around"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "Saqqara that they recently discovered as"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "well."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "There are also quite a lot of references"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "like very a a lot of like pins like very"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "sharp, pointy"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": ">> On the other one. Yeah, what is that?"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:57", "text": ">> And these were"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "recognized to be Persian tomb shafts."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": ">> Persian tomb shafts?"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:07", "text": ">> They are shafts which go really deep, 30"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "40 m deep, and at the very bottom there"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "is a tomb tomb."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> Yeah. And so, this is from later"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "periods."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "But the main thing about the massivity"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "of of this building"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "is that"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "you have the central atrium."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "And and and what we"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "hide for for for so many years after"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "NDAs and so on is that the central"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "atrium"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "contains as well like an"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "a gigantic element."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": ">> NDAs? You had to sign NDAs?"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": ">> Yes. Oh, over over 10 years there's"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "still some going around."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": ">> Who made you sign the NDA?"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": ">> So, it it started with with the scanners"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "themselves, then the people involved."}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "And also it was not only NDAs towards"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "ourselves, but also well if you if we"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "show these these images to to other"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "persons, that they were not going to run"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "with especially media people."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> Uh because we had some some really bad"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "experiences before."}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "because if if if you bring about these"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "these things and and"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "the Egyptian government and and so on"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "come comes across them,"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "it makes things really difficult to to"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "move forward."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "Um so"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "one of the the reasons why the first"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "expedition succeeded was that we kept"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "as low profile as possible."}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> Yeah. Right. Right. Right."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": ">> Until everything was completed and you"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "already did a processed all the data."}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": ">> Okay. Um"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> But if you tried everything"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "to to move it forward and"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "personally I organized several"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "expedition"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "applications myself where I put like"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "several years in to to to bring all the"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "universities together."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "And they are always like rejected. Then"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "you need to start doing other things to"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "to move the project forward."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "Um and one of them is yeah, publication"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "of what we have to raise the public"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "interest. And so far it's working"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "because the Egyptians are now on site"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "excavating. The question is still are"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "they excavating with true intent to to"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "go down or is just like planting a flag"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "and later saying from okay,"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "we did something and then confirm"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "there's nothing."}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "because so far they are still very"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "shallow in in in depth. So,"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "because it's only becomes very"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "interesting minus 20 m."}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:52", "text": ">> Have you talked to anyone"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "in Egypt, like officials in Egypt, about"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "this excavation and how deep they plan"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "to go or"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "do they have you spoken with anyone?"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": ">> Yeah, that that's what I do like full"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "full time, like"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "talking to ministries"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": ">> I mean since they started their current"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "excavation."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": ">> Um so so far um"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "yes, I I definitely because not not"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "maybe directly because I have quite a a"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "lot of people that I'm co- coordinating"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "and working and collaborating with."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> Or people within the the Supreme Council"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "themselves and then within"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "the the governmental positions and"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "they're also"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "on it."}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "but so far it's it's still"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "for me extremely difficult to to move"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "forwards"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "un- unless that we have lots of support."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": ">> If you enjoy watching our show on"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "Spotify or YouTube and you want to be"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "more involved, I encourage you to please"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "come check out our Patreon community."}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "Not only does our Patreon community get"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "every episode you see on YouTube early,"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "fully uncensored, and ad-free, but we're"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "also doing Patreon exclusive episodes as"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "well as live Q&As, and you can get your"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "personal questions answered by our"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "guests every single week. 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But if it's"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "a way bigger one"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "then it fries as well"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "fine electronics."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "It's very similar to like an EMP, an"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "electromagnetic pulse."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> And in in in case of a world war"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "when they start like sending yeah"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "intercontinental"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "missiles"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "the only way to stop those is using"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "EMPs."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "To like whack them out of course and"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "so"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "and and and it's very extreme thoughts"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "but course somebody needs to do the job"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "of of yeah, saving and and preserving"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "the the most important aspects of of of"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "humanity. And that's what I try to do"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "there in the mountains of Spain."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> Yeah, that's fascinating. The solar"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "activity thing is it really interesting."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "I we recently had this guy from Denmark."}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> Uh Henrik"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:19", "text": ">> Svensmark."}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:20", "text": ">> Svensmark, you familiar with him?"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> Yeah, sure."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:27", "text": ">> He's fascinating. 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And when we're going in between"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "those those spiral arms of the galaxy is"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "like a big desert. So, there's not much"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "solar activity, lots more cosmic rays, a"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "lot more cooling. And when you look at"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "like the historical data of the climate"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "and the ice caps on the Earth, it's"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "insane. And oh yeah, so this is what he"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "shows. Uh"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "the it shows the temperature change over"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "time combined with the cosmic rays, and"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "it's almost a perfect correlation."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": ">> Yeah, it's it's amazing. The The The"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "only thing is that the timelines are so"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "extremely big like in millions of years"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "because what I like about his research"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "is that he he proved that cosmic"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "radiation is affecting uh cloud"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "formation, which is really direct like"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "in days. But these things are like"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "millions of years, but you have quite a"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "lot of cycles in between like the grand"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "solar minima and the grand solar maxima."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "Like the grand solar minima are solar"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "cycles. They are very well known by by"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "climates uh historians, and every 200"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "years we have a solar minima. So, the"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "last solar minima"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "uh started around 1700"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "87, two two years before the French"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "Revolution. 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So,"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "like a Maunder Minimum."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "We hadn't over almost uh over 100 years"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "no sunspots."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "And then we have also the bigger ones"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "like every 800 years, every 200 to 2,000"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "And they relate even all the way to to"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "to to ancient Egypt"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "because the whole effect is that in"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "those cycles the sun changes state."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:12", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> And then our"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "the Earth is bombarded with more cosmic"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "radiation. And so this cosmic radiation"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "enters and that creates"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "that the polar vortexes are going out of"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "whack in the sense they become like"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "deeper and less stable, so we have way"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "more droughts in the in the summers and"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "as well"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "cooler"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "times in in in winter."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "It also changes and and disturbs crop"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "production again."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "There's also way more volcanic activity"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "like like the at the early days of of"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "of of the"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "one of these solar"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "minima, we had"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "there's always related to"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "extra volcanic activity like Tambora and"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "and the Krakatoa."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "And the last century, so from 1920 all"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "the way to 2000 we were dealing with the"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "grand solar maxima, so we had a very"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "active solar activity."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> Very comparable to to the the medieval"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "warm period where we had"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "warm periods in the Middle Ages where"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "the Vikings were able to live in"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "Greenland. So"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "and then of course we have also these"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "these cycles like interglacials and ice"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "ages. So the whole ice age cycle is"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "around 100,000 years."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:37", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": ">> And it's"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "it ends always with an interglacial"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "for over around 12,000 years. So and now"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "we are at the very end of the of this"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Holocene"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "interglacial area. So, and the sun is"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "changing states,"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "and we have way more cosmic radiation"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "coming in, and"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": ">> to get It's about to get on the on the"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "on the geological scale we're It's about"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "to get very cold."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> It's going to flip."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> Going to flip?"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:03", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> What do you mean flip?"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:11", "text": ">> So, that we we are going to enter"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "like mostly the end of such time or at"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "at the very beginning as well like like"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "the Younger Dryas. It it's marked by by"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "a major"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "I say cataclysmic event. Some say that's"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "related to the impact of meteorites."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": ">> But mostly it's it's solar activity. So,"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "we might be dealing with a called like"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "like a solar nova event."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:35", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> And that"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "is Yeah, we we"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:39", "text": ">> nova event?"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> So, you think the Younger Dryas was"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "solar?"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": ">> Solar based, yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "So, I'm I'm very into the research of"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "Robert Schoch as well who stacks quite a"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "lot of proof that it's solar based."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "Meteorites might be involved because in"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "the sense if if you have a solar"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "event"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "then then like the big planets like"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "Jupiter who are like the vacuum cleaners"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "of our heliosphere"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "are"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "I say not active then and"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "Earth can get some more"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> of both, man."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> Yeah, come come both both. Um"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "but definitely the sun is is is is um"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "is very important in in in in in those"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "cycles. But e- even"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "what Svensmark is"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "laying out that during those times of of"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "these grand cycles"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "during ice ages we have a lot of they"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "call it ice age dust coming in in our"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "heliosphere. Ice age dust is is like an"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "way more particles and we also see that"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "during ice ages the this cosmic dust is"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "is stacking up in in in ice and we can"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "see it in ice bore holes."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": ">> Cosmic dust."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> Yes. And so and now the cosmic dust is"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "reentering our heliosphere again. Um and"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "our sun is changing state. Many people"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "say in the past with the sun was more"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "yellow, now it's coming more white. Um"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "and um"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": ">> So explain to me why there's more cosmic"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "dust when it gets colder."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "the the cosmic dust is affecting"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "the interior of our heliosphere. 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So it's"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "not"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "only only earth that's experiencing"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "climate change. Um"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "and at a certain moment there's so much"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "build-up of material around the sun that"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "the sun is affected by it and then it's"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "it's yeah blows everything away. And"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "that's what they relate to this giant"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "kind of solar nova event. So in some way"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "it's also being described in in the"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "Bible in the sense that the sun at at"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "the end of days becomes completely"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "black. So it's becomes like one big"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "solar"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "sunspot. Yeah, and when the sun becomes"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "black, then then it becomes really"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "dangerous because then we are about to"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "to experience this this massive solar"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "outburst which which affects"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "Yeah, the inner core of of our Earth in"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "the sense that this enormous amount of"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "coronal mass ejection comes toward,"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "blows away big parts of our"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "of our atmosphere. That's why the sudden"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "spaces or places on Earth experience"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "enormous cooling and and that mammoths"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "are like"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "flash frozen."}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "But as well, it affects the inner core"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "of our Earth that the how do you say the"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "the magma becomes so liquid"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "that we experience huge"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "volcanic eruptions"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "like the one 42,000 years ago that"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "ended"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "the Neanderthal. And so, we had Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "the explosion of the the Campi Flegrei"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "in Italy, which is by the way as well"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "now"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "coming alive."}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "It's it's a super volcano. Um very"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "similar to to the one you have here in"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "America."}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> I've never heard that before. I've never"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "heard this theory before."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> So, this when the sun becomes black,"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "it's like a giant sunspot."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> And then that means that the sun is"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "about to go through like some insane"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "transformation."}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": ">> Where it's kind of like regenerating"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "itself or something or"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:10", "text": ">> And then"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "it it's"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "creates this"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:13", "text": ">> And that's enough to end all life on"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "Earth."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": ">> Not ending I like people are still still"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "here. It's it's it's"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "it's"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": ">> Oh, we can survive that."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": ">> We we can survive. We the reason why"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "we're still here is because we survived"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "so many times these these changes like"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "these solar outbursts."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": ">> Oh, so you're saying that that's why we"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "hear these like stories in the Bible and"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "like ancient stories of the black sun."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:36", "text": ">> Yes, yeah. But it I think it does reset"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "a high technological"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "civilization. So"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "like if if there was like a very"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "sophisticated civilization"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "at the end of the last ice age and it"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "experienced such such"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "nova then everything is like fried and"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "then we have the whole story of the"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "people re"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "I mean bringing again civilization to to"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "to humanity."}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:01", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": ">> The the stories of the Quetzalcoatlus,"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "the Kon-Tikis and and"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": ">> Nova and all that."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": ">> Yes, yes, yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "And it's it looks like it's cyclical."}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "Yeah, and I think that's also the reason"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "why today it's"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "not really well known. Uh and I think"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "that's also the reason why all these"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "super rich people are building bunkers"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "underground and the whole on all over"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "the world to to prepare for for for"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "these events that are upcoming."}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": ">> And um"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "how would this specifically tie into the"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "floods?"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": ">> The the floods, there are some"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "in in the crust of the earth there's"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "eight to 10 times more waters than in"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "all the oceans together. So if you"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "bombard the the"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> Under the crust?"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": ">> In the crust of the earth there's eight"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "times more waters than than in all the"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "oceans together. It's the whole primary"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "waters um"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "thing. It's so inside the crust of the"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "earth eight times more water."}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": ">> ground."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": ">> In the ground. So if if you send in"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "enormous amount of radiation towards the"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "earth"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "that water becomes so agitated and"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "steaming that it just like"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": ">> all comes out. Uh and that might"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "completely"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "set the whole world under water."}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "So"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": ">> Now would a would a would a solar event"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "like this melt be enough to melt the the"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "caps?"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": ">> That that's another thing is that so"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "first we have ice caps. If if there is a"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "solar storm it it starts to melt the"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "these ice caps at the at the tremendous"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "speed and it also can create they call"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "it like"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "glacification like melting stones."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:41", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:44", "text": ">> Yeah, so that's also an effect that can"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "happen. Um"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "Yeah, it's uh"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": ">> I had never heard this before there's"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "eight times the amount of water in the"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "Earth's crust than the all of the oceans"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "combined."}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": ">> That sounds so crazy."}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": ">> And it goes all the way to the the the"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "idea from where is water coming from"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "because you have the idea of primary"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "water. So primary water so today we say"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "yeah, water is atmospheric. So it it's"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "it heats up, it goes, it creates clouds,"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "it come down the mountain and it's"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "[clears throat] a cyclical thing. But"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "where is water coming from? So the whole"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "idea of primary water is that water is"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "created inside the Earth itself as as a"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "chemical process and it come"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": ">> Primary water."}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": ">> Yeah, and it comes out out of the the"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "Earth in in kind of water volcano. So"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "certain places on Earth"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "like that we have in in Spain like in"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "there the water comes out and it's"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "ancient water. It's it's like very"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "mineralized, it's hot, it's it's"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": ">> Yeah, an aquifer is more like a store an"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "underground storage of water."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "We we do have like giant aquifers under"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "Libya and so on with"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "water that millions of years old. And"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "then the same is is is it's very"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "comparable to to oil because there are"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "quite some people who say that oil is um"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "a biological"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "biological."}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": ">> Uh yes. So now we say okay, oil is is is"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "created by ancient forests. There were"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "no bacteria at the time and it was"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "compressed and it creates oil. But today"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "we we suck down"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "how this"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "oil feels completely empty and we come"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "back 30 years later and they are"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "refilled again. So where is all this oil"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "coming from? So the whole idea that oil"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "might be even regenerated or created"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "within the earth as as as because we"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "also find oil at extremely deep levels"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "like 27 km uh which is not where we ever"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "had um biological"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "yeah growth."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:49", "text": ">> Woah."}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": ">> Yeah. So and there's quite some other"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "things that are yeah there's the same"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "thing with the earth expansion theory"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "because now we think the earth is is"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "like solid."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:03", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:06", "text": ">> But and we do know that we have like"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "fault lines and that yeah that that"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "there are that and originally we had"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "Pangea like one one piece of land and"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "then it started going apart. But the"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "aspect of the um"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "the earth expansion theory is if you"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "take the earth as like a"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "three-dimensional puzzle and you start"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "shrinking everything all these land"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "masses click together in a smaller"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "earth."}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:27", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": ">> Yeah. And and it's like"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": ">> earth is is getting bigger."}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:35", "text": ">> It's get get getting bigger and it also"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "explains why some kind so several of"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "these dinosaurs are they are way too big"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "to live at the gravity level of today"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "because they have like necks of 30 m"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "long and have birds who are way too"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "heavy to fly. But if the earth was way"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "smaller it would would have made it"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "possible. So the earth is like and it's"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "also said that every time we have such"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "solar event that the earth starts to to"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "grow and that's also why all these"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:02", "text": ">> And gravity gets heavier when the earth"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "gets bigger."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": ">> Yeah stronger. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": ">> Woah. So how does solar wind tie into"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "all this? Because the solar wind coming"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "from the from coming from the sun"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "uh somehow creates like the Van Allen"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "radiation belts"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "around the earth, is that right?"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": ">> The The The sun itself, yeah, has its"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "electromagnetic field and the and the"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "earth itself is like a giant, yeah,"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "uh generator of and it's fed by by the"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "energy of the sun uh"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "by like umbilical cords, but the sun"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "itself is also well connected to the"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "center of of of the the the Milky Way."}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "And the Milky Way is again connected, so"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "it's like all interconnected thing. The"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "Van Allen belts are are like"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "protection shields of the earth."}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:56", "text": ">> Right. Right."}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "uh we and then we go to to the heart of"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "the matter that matter itself is just"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "nonexistent in the sense that it's uh"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "electric electromagnetism. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "Can you walk me through that first"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "expedition you did in 2008?"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> So the I call it the the Mataha"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "expedition. It was a"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "cooperation between Ghent University and"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "the National Research Institute for"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "Astronomy and Geophysics in in Egypt."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "basically it was a geophysical"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "survey."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "So we didn't do digging. We didn't do I"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "would say physical exploration, but we"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "we brought the"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "seven or eight different"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "geophysical technologies like GPR and"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "electro-resistivity, gem-tem,"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "geomagnetics"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "on on two two big plots."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "One was like 100 by 180 m and the other"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "one very similar. So at at the time,"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "according to the National Research"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "Institute, it was the bigger biggest"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "geophysical survey in Egypt ever been"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "done on an archaeological site. So"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "almost like 16 geophysicists were"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "involved."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> Woah, and you got like you went through"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "all of the hoops the politically to get"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "this approved by by Egypt's government,"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": ">> Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> And and the antiquities like Zahi Hawass"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "and all those guys, they were all cool"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "with it?"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> But the thing is I was"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> the first one to do something like that?"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "at Hawara and the the the last proper"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "research that was Flinders Petrie in"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "1888."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "And ever since the the whole site was"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "more or less like abandoned. There were"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "some how I say little missions, but very"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "shallow and not intended to to discover"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "or explore the the existence of the"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "labyrinth because Flinders Petrie over a"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "100 years ago settled it for for most of"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "the academia saying from he he"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "discovered this this layers at 5 m below"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "ground"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "an enormous foundation plate like 304 on"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "244 m which is like almost like 10"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "football fields big."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "Um all over this"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": ">> One plate."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> one plate. It really matches as well"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "what the ancient authors were saying"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "over that the roof of the labyrinth was"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "a giant plane of stone."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": ">> Wow. How deep?"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> And that was 5 m."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> 5 m."}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> 5 m deep. So see see these ancient"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "authors were were referring to to the"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "labyrinth as like two two buildings at"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "the two two"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "stories"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "each containing 1,500 rooms and the roof"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "being like completely flat like it I"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "thought maybe that's the roof of the la"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "the the labyrinth"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "or it might be the floor of this the"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "first"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "layer."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": ">> And at and at the top layers is gone."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "Um and that was"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "confirmed by by by this research the the"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "Mataha expedition and they said from"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "underneath that giant stone foundation"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "that they found like hundreds and"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "hundreds of rooms and enormous big walls"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "and grid structures. So they they"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "confirmed the existence of of an uh"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "still"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "huge remains and ever since been like"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "trying to to"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "get back on with the boots on the ground"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "see what"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> So give me an idea as far as like the"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "volume of the entire labyrinth."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "What what could you compare it to?"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:34", "text": ">> Oh it's it's"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "yeah like"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "it's it's enormous. It's like 304 on 244"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "4 m which is yeah around like 10"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "football fields big. So I don't know"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> 10 football fields."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": ">> because it's like Herodotus describes"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "that if you"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "compile all the temples of ancient"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "Greeks where are"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "and it still doesn't match"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "the the the magnitude of of the"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "labyrinth."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "And he even also refers to the the giant"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "pyramids of Egypt. He said even those"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "pyramids are massively big,"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "the labyrinth surpasses them in in"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "greatness."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> What is the total height of it from like"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "the base to the to the roof?"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> According to the descriptions,"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "let's say that every meter is like every"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "level is like around eight like or 10"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "maybe 20 m."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:25", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "Yeah, so that that's what we want to"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "find out. But the"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "the mother rock itself"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "which"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "is around minus 18 m."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": ">> [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:41", "text": ">> Yeah. And um"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:42", "text": ">> The what rock?"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": ">> The mother rock. So"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "if you start drilling with with core"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "core drills and then you see that at"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "around minus 18 m it's like solid rock."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "From there there's no debris and"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "yes yes. And"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": ">> Yeah, bedrock."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": ">> The bedrock. And then later in came came"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "the satellite scans."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "Um it was like 2014 and another one in"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "2015"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "and they completely skipped"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "the first 18 m."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "And this and the first one conformed"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "like four layers underground at minus"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "30 and then 60 around 80 and then 100 m"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "deep. Uh enormous spaces and then the"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "second one"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "um the the British one also reconfirmed"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "And they added even way more other"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "things to it. So"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "that was a pretty a surprise and a shock"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "for me. So ever since"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "yeah, we I'm I'm I'm trying to to yeah,"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "uncover it."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> So after you guys did that first"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "expedition and you did all those scans"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "and you discovered all those giant rooms"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "in there and how big the scale of it,"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "the volume of it and then um"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "what did you do with the findings and"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "the data?"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> The the first the first research that"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "was just published they published it"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> Published what? Like a like on a on a"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "journal?"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> Yeah, like a scientific"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "yeah journal and it was published"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "online. Um and there was also like an"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "a workshop presented at the National"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "Research Institute in in in Egypt. And"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "up there the the 48"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "uh Supreme Council counselors were all"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "present and we presented the whole thing"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "and they were all"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "very impressed and and people from"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "UNESCO were also present and they said,"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "\"Yeah, we need to move forward with"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "making it like a world heritage site.\""}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "So, to"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> What's UNESCO?"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> UNESCO it's it's it's the part the the"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "cultural"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "wing of the United Nations, the UN."}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "Yeah. And um"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "it's a it's a pretty im- important um"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "in- international"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "organization."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "and then because we we had so much"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "interest in in Belgium itself with with"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "presence on that the Ghent University"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "said from, \"Okay, let's organize"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "a whole conference and invite these"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "Egyptian top persons like Zahi Hawass"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "and and the the involved people of the"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "National Research Institute and people"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "from University Cairo.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "Zahi Hawass declined to come but all the"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "others came and then we had this very"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "big conference in in Ghent with a"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "completely overcrowded aula um with 5"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "600 people and"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "they we presented we had also lot of"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "press present, like ABC, NBC, all all"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "the European press. And then it"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "exploded."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "also in the newspapers, like it was"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "front page on all newspapers and so on."}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "Um, and then a couple of days later I"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "got this call from from Egypt, from the"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "National Research Institute to to to"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "completely pull it."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> Pull it from the journal?"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": ">> Yes, just pull it from from the website."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "I was not able to to do any interviews"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "anymore and they were all completely"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "afraid actually because they were"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "threatened in in Egypt and they"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": ">> what?"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> Threatened. Like like they they got like"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "threats. The National Research Institute"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "Yeah, so they they"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "they are part of the military complex"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "and so"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "so"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "it's was like considered"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "a national security breach."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "Um, and then Zahi Hawass was furious and"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "one of his friends, Professor Gamrawy,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "he he he called me and he said, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "we have like a very serious situation"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "because you are put on the blacklist and"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "you are not able to enter Egypt anymore"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "and it's very serious situation because"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "it's like going out of um,"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "Went completely completely south,"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "especially because the the Belgian king"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "he he came to Egypt in in a in a"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "diplomatic"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "mission and there he talked with the"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "wife of Mubarak, the the former"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "president, and the the wife of Mubarak"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "was a personal friend of Zahi Hawass and"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "then the king had this this"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "magazine where on the front page said"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "like Belgian discovery labyrinth of"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "Egypt and he showed it to to the wife of"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "Mubarak. She was like completely shocked"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "and then she called Zahi Hawass and and"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "then yeah, it went all ballistic. Um,"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:37", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "And that's not it's Yeah, it was wild"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "because as well at the University Ghent"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "everybody was in complete panic."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "Um not to mention the people in in in"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "Egypt themselves."}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "And for me the street the the the really"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> didn't do anything wrong. Like you would"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "literally got permission to do this."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:59", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": ">> did what any scientist would do."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> Yes. We we followed the whole line of"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "doing like a proper workshop"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "presentation Supreme Council of"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "Antiquities. Every We we organized the"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "whole"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "conference in Ghent University where all"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "the scientists were involved and"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "invited. And then it hit the newspapers."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "But where I I think it really went how"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "to say"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "really"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "became sensitive is that the labyrinth"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "suddenly was connected to lost"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "civilizations."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "And and"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "giant halls of records and so"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "and and it that it left"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "the the sphere of normal archeology."}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> Now this was after Graham Hancock got"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "banned."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "Or blackballed. Didn't Graham get banned"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "from Egypt too at one point?"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": ">> was all the same all the same periods."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> Was this around the same time?"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": ">> Yeah. There was this"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> But was your was your situation before"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "or after Graham gotten got blackballed?"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "Do you know?"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": ">> I remember that I was invited on the"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "tours"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "where Graham Hancock and Zahi Hawass"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "were going to you know they did it"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "together and then there was this whole"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "fight. Um so I don't know exactly when"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "Graham was"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "banned."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": ">> Right. I don't remember either."}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": ">> But we are I'm I'm talking that this was"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "like 2008 so over 17 years ago."}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": ">> Right. Before before Facebook,"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "Instagram."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "I think YouTube was still alive but it"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "was like very primitive back then. This"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "was like MySpace days. Like way before"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "there was this insane"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "online presence of alternative"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "historians that are like"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "talking about this stuff all the time."}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "Like you were"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "They They were actively trying to"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "suppress it back then, which is so"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": ">> Graham Hancock was very"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "fringe. So now he's on Netflix and so"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "on, but at at the time, yeah, and I was"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "still in contact even with like people"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "John Anthony West and and and trying to"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "communicate my my ideas to him and he"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "was very interested. Um"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "Graham Hancock, Robert Schoch. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "And also, I will also point out that if"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "I'm Donald Trump,"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "I would encourage"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "Taiwan and China to reunify. Do you know"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "why?"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "Because my main because"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "my main problem is"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "Taiwan controls the semiconductor"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "industry."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "Right? They manufacture most of the"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "world's semiconductors."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> If Taiwan and China were to reunify, I"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "guarantee you the entire semiconductor"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "industry in Taiwan would move over to"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "the United States."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> Because um"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "as a semi- semiconductor um"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "manufacturer, I need to integrate with"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "the global economy."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> Right? So, if I'm the United States,"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "it's a lot like like I can be secure in"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "the knowledge that I'm still part of the"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "global supply chain."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> If I'm part of China now, they can"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "basically use me as a point of leverage"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "like like China's using rare earths,"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "right? So, it's basically reunification"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "would force"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "uh these Taiwanese semiconductor"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "companies to move to the United States."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "In fact, it's already happening. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "TSMC has opened a plant in Arizona."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "I think it's like $20 billion."}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> Really? When was this?"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> I I think this was like a year ago. Can"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "you can you can you can you"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:21", "text": ">> Can you can you Google this? TSMC?"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> TSMC?"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": ">> Arizona plant."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": ">> Semiconductor plant?"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": ">> Yeah. So, TSMC is the largest"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:28", "text": ">> And it's owned by"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:29", "text": ">> the Taiwanese."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": ">> The Taiwanese."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a private company, but but it"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "it it's based in Taiwan. And and and"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "they're trying to move operations to"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "Arizona."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:37", "text": ">> And they want to manufacture there."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> That's funny. So, we're manufacturing"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "everything in China and China's"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "manufacturing in the United States."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": ">> Right. Okay."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": ">> TSMC Arizona started high-volume"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "production at its first fabrication"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "plant uh Fab 21 in Phoenix. And the"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "company recently expanded its total"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "plant investment in the the to 265"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "billion."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": ">> So I I So So yeah, it's not 20 20"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "billion. It's Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": ">> But you can see it's already happening."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "Right? So if I'm China, I'm like, \"Go"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "ahead. Reunify. Okay?\""}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "But But But here's the kicker."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "Reunification is impossible."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "And the reason why is Japan."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "Okay?"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": ">> All right? So China So not The issue is"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "not"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "China invading Taiwan. The issue is not"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "the United States blocking the"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "reunification. It's Japan would not"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "allow re- reunification to happen."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> What could Japan do to stop it?"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": ">> Okay. So let me explain why Japan would"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "not be would not go for this."}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "So um"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "the new Prime Minister Takaichi"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "has said that Taiwan is core to Japan's"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "national security interests."}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "And there's a really good reason why,"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "okay? So I'm I'm I'm going to show you a"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "map."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:50", "text": ">> All right. Steve can pull one up here if"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "you want."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": ">> Okay, yeah. Can you open a map of Taiwan"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "and uh Southeast Asia and Japan?"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": ">> We should have We should have brought"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "him a a whiteboard like that uh the CEO"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Diaries guy."}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> Okay. Oops. That was the wrong button."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "Where's Yeah, let's just go to maps."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Maps?"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "If you see a map"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": ">> Just click on the Yeah, there you go."}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": ">> Can you just draw it out? Uh Can you"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "just zoom out for me? Okay, all right."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": ">> Get rid of that sidebar. Click the"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "little arrow in the middle. Yeah, right"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": ">> Okay. All right, got it. All right. So"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "you see Japan at the top, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": ">> Where is Japan? Right there. That's"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "right there. I got it. I see it."}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> So Japan is resource poor."}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "And traditionally, Southeast Asia"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "is what supplies Japan with most of its"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "resources, okay? Oil, food, all that,"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "okay? So Japan has very little"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "resources."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "historically, it's it's engaged in"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "piracy."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:42", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": ">> Um recently, it's engaged in"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "um resource extraction from Southeast"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Asia, okay? So Japan needs Southeast"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "Asia. What's between Japan and Southeast"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "Asia?"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> The East China Sea."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> What's in the East China Sea?"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> Taiwan."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "You see that?"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> It's right in the middle."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:03:59", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> So, what would happen is if Taiwan and"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "China were to reunify, China could use"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "Taiwan to embargo Japan from Southeast"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "Asia."}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": ">> Ah."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> And China could now go to colonize"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "Southeast Asia. Do you see?"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": ">> would be completely and utterly screwed"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "for all for It It would cease to exist"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "as a nation-state."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": ">> Right? You see that?"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I can see it now."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "So, Japan needs access to Southeast Asia"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "for its resources."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "Taiwan would block that access."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": ">> just show me on this like what what do"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "you consider Southeast Asia here?"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:39", "text": ">> All right. So, you do you see"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": ">> It's hard to see the the It's hard to"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "see the borders of the boundaries."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:43", "text": ">> Vietnam,"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "Cambodia,"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "Thailand,"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> Uh okay."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": ">> Malaysia, Indonesia. That's Southeast"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "Asia."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": ">> That whole area is Southeast Asia."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": ">> Right. And you can see how Taiwan blocks"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "access."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:04", "text": ">> So, if China now owns Taiwan,"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "you're saying that China will be able to"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "like charge a tax to everything that"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "goes to Japan?"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": ">> No. No. What would happen is China would"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "then"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "go into Southeast Asia to colonize it."}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "And if that were to happen, Japan would"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:17", "text": ">> But why would they be able to colonize"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "all of Southeast Asia just because they"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "have that Taiwan?"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "So, if Taiwan"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "were not part of the picture, Japan and"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "China work were to compete for influence"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "in Southeast Asia. Okay? Does that make"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "sense? Yes."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> The problem is"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "Japan has a far greater influence over"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "Southeast Asia than China because Japan"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "has soft power. It has anime. It has"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "like like Southeast Asians"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "like if you just look at polling,"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "Southeast Asians have a very high uh"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> They like Japan."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> They like Japan a lot."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> Japan Japan does better yeah. They they"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "got a better PR team."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> Right right. So if you're like"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "Vietnamese you're like um you know, do I"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "want to work with China more or do I"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "want to work with Japan more?"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "Well, obviously Japan cuz China's this"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "big dragon."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "Right?"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "Okay?"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> And so if China were to take over"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "Taiwan, then Taiwan could embargo Japan"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "and then China can just"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "like very easily move into Southeast"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "Asia."}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "That makes sense."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> How could Japan possibly stop that from"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "happening?"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "Well, what's happening right now is"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "Japan is building an alliance. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "called the Quad. Okay? And the Quad has"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "is four four nations."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "You have Japan."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:39", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> You have the Philippines, you have"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Australia, and you have India. This is"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "this called the Quad."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": ">> Japan, the Philippines, Australia, and"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "Indonesia."}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> And the goal"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": ">> Zoom go scoop down a little bit. Zoom"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "out a little bit."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Right? So that's more accurate,"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": ">> you go. Right there. Perfect. Got it."}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": ">> what's the Quad doing? The Quad is"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "embargoing China from the open sea"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "lanes."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "Right? Do you see that?"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:09", "text": ">> Yes. The Philippines, Japan, India, and"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "Australia together can embargo China"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "from"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "uh oce- oceanic trade."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": ">> Okay, they could if they wanted to."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> They could if they wanted to, exactly."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "Right? Do you Do you see that?"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> Okay, so that's that's the game plan."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "if China tried to take out Taiwan,"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "you believe that"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "uh Indonesia, the Philippines, and"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "Australia would all gang up with Japan?"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:35", "text": ">> India."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "India."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:37", "text": ">> India."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": ">> The Philippines,"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "Australia, and Japan are the Quad. These"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "are the four nations. India."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> Okay. So they all group up"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "and they would push back against this."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. And already"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "what's happening is the Philippines are"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "challenging Chinese control over the"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "South China Sea. So there's been a lot"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "of conflicts between the Filipino Coast"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "Guard and the Chinese Coast Guard."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> So you you kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "explain this in um"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "this general idea"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "of"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "how I forget which one of your video but"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "you did a great video. One of your"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "presentations explains how"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "I think it was how evil triumphs. You"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "explain how"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "this arms race of teaming up with other"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "nations."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": ">> Right? Can you give it like a high-level"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "view of like I mean that that's similar"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "to what you're explaining here, right?"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "To where like two nations team up to"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "gain more power and influence and that"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "incentivizes"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "three other nations to do the same thing"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "to get more power over there off you"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "know, more power compared to the other"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "two and it's just a never-ending thing"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "where people are constantly"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "in this tug-of-war for power and control"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "and see who has the most friends."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:09:00", "text": ">> Yeah. So China is a lot of pro China's"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "actually in a lot of danger and trouble."}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "The reason why is everyone in Southeast"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "Asia sees China as a main threat."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "So they're more likely to team together"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "against China than China trying to ally"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "ally with other nations."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": ">> So like if you look at"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "if you go to the map, okay, this is"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "really important. China has exactly"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "one friend in Southeast Asia and it's"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "North Korea."}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> [laughter and snorts]"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": ">> Right? That's it."}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": ">> [gasps]"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Right? The reason why is every other"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "nation"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> hard for me to see because I don't like"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "the I don't like the borders. I don't I"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "can't really see the borders very well."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": ">> But but like you know, if you zoom into"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "If you Yeah, if you zoom into"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "um East Asia, China has exactly one"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "ally, and that's North Korea. South"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "Korea, Japan, Southeast Asia, India,"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "Australia, they all see China as a ma-"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "major threat that they have to team up"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "against. Especially now that the United"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "States is choosing to leave the um"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "uh Asia-Pacific."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "Right? 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "So, what's holding them back from from"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "rebuilding this temple and doing this"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "whole thing?"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Do it bringing back the the Antichrist"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "or whatever they want to do."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Right. So, right now,"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "um there the foundation stone for the"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "third temple is also where the Al-Aqsa"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "mosque is. The Al-Aqsa mosque is the"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "third holiest site in the Islamic"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "tradition in the Islamic world. Right,"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "so there's Mecca, Medina, and there is"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "the uh Al-Aqsa mosque where they believe"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "is where Muhammad ascended to heaven."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "So, if they were to destroy the Al-Aqsa"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "mosque in order to build the third"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "temple, this would ignite"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "um sectarian violence throughout the"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "world."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> And this is also part of the eschatology"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "because this is really the war of Gog"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "and Magog."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "Um this is all part of the plan as well."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "Now, um certain things about the Al-Aqsa"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "mosque is"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "um to"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "build the third temple, you need certain"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "preconditions. A major precondition is"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "you would need a perfect red heifer to"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "sacrifice on the grounds"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "of the mosque in order to consecrate the"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "grounds to to build the um"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "um third temple. And they they have the"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "perfect red heifer. So, there's a guy in"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "Texas, he bioengineered"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "perfect red heifers."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": ">> This well that exists?"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> Yes. The red heifers in Texas. And and"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "like Steve can can Google this right"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "now. And they were transported to Israel"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "about 2 years ago. So, now Israel has"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:48", "text": ">> a genetically engineered red heifer."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> That's right. That is perfect and for um"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "I'm not joking here, guys."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": ">> Texas man ships red heifer to Israel and"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "he's wearing a yarmulke for ceremony."}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "The Fort Worth Star-Telegram."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:00", "text": ">> This is this is very well known."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> Well, look at this. Look at this YouTube"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "video. Texas red heifers arrival stirs"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "prophetic"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "excitement in Israel in uh September of"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "2022."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> Okay. So, that's number one."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:14", "text": ">> Jesus."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": ">> Yeah, they're serious about this, man."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "They got sent millions of dollars and"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "years and years just to bioengineer a"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "perfect red heifer."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "Okay, they're very serious about this."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "Okay, that's number one. The the perfect"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "red heifer is on place. Number two is"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "this the the organization that wants to"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "build the third temple is something"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "called a Temple Institute. The Temple"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "Institute."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:35", "text": ">> And they've already built the third"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "temple."}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Like brick by brick. And so, like all"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "they got to do is move this"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "third temple to the site."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "Okay, it's called the Temple Institute."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> They had prefabbed it and they can just"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "go like drop it."}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:50", "text": ">> Exactly. They prefabbed it, okay? That's"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "number two."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "Number three is"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "um for the past two years, there've been"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "there've been archaeological surveys"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "underneath the Al-Aqsa Mosque."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "And people suspect that what they're"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "really trying to do is undermine the"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "foundations of the Al-Aqsa Mosque"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "because if that were to happen"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "and there's this war going on between"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "Israel and Iran, right? If Iran were to"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "lob a missile over Jerusalem,"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "they could implode the Al-Aqsa Mosque"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "and blame it on Iranians."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:26", "text": ">> And in fact, there's a video of this"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "Jewish rabbi in Israel saying how"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "this is the the perfect plan to cause"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "war between the Persians and the Arabs,"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "right? Because the Iranians are Persians"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "and uh Saudi Arabia, they're Arabs, and"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "just have them kill each other, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> be perfect."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "Okay, do do do do do you want to watch"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "the video of the Temple Institute? Okay?"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:44", "text": ">> You got it."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:45", "text": ">> So so so so I I I So, you you you have"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "to Google this, Steve, okay?"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> But it's basically Israel rabbi"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "um Al-Aqsa Mosque missile. While you"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "look for 50 people video"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> Mosque. You want to use the restroom?"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> All right, cool. We'll pause real quick."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Hit it, Steve."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> We don't know. Maybe one of the missiles"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "will hit the mosque."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "And clear the place for the third Bet"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "Hamikdash."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "That could also be a a miracle."}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "If it was up to me, the last time when"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "they shot hundreds of missiles, I would"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "pretend that one missile came from Iran"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "and shoot it down."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "You know?"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "Then all the Arabs will go against Iran."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "That will be the end of the problems."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "You make them fight with each other,"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "this bunch of lunatics."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "Never too late. You deal with a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "cowards."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "The Israeli leaders, they just want to"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "pass the week."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "Let us survive this week. They don't"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "think long-term. [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> Some of the that comes out of the"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "mouths of these people. They're honest"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "about it. They're direct about it."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:49", "text": ">> They are."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:51", "text": ">> And and they are concerned about what"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "people [clears throat] are going to"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "think. You know? But they're not"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "concerned about long-term ramifications"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "of this."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": ">> Well, first of all"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:58", "text": ">> Which tracks with them wanting the end"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "times."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": ">> Yeah, first of all, I think they think"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "we're too stupid to know what's going"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "on."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "Uh also, like as part of their"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> Twitter?"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": ">> As part of their grand eschatology, they"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "want us to know what's what's going on."}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:11", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:12", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": ">> And um third of all, I think like"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "they believe it's all part of God's"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "plan, so there's nothing anyone can do"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "to stop it, okay? But I I'll show you"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "another video. And this is Peter Hexter"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "who"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "who is now obviously the war secretary."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> Yeah, I watched this last night, yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> But he's also talking about the building"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "of the third temple and how it's God's"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "plan to build the third temple. So so"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "can we show the"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> Yeah, show that clip of Hexter. It's"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "towards the end of it. I want to say"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "it's about 9 minutes in, 9 and 1/2"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "minutes in."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": ">> Where he's talking in front of that at"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "the podium or whatever and yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:44", "text": ">> Right there."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> The Western Wall"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": ">> bit A little bit before this."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "Right there."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> of scripture of this land and the"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "understanding that"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "for years if not this year in Jerusalem"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "then next year in Jerusalem"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "but we are here in Jerusalem [applause]"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "Jennifer and I and others had a chance"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "to go see the Western Wall of the Temple"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "Mount the Western Wall tunnels"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "so much of the old city and as you stand"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "there you can't help but behold the"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "miracle before you"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "and it got me thinking about another"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "miracle that I hope all of you don't see"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "too far away because 1917 was a miracle"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "1948 was a miracle"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "1967 was a miracle"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "2017 the declaration of Jerusalem is the"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "capital was a miracle and there's no"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "reason why the miracle of the"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "re-establishment of the temple on the"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "Temple Mount is not possible."}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> Yeah, when he said that people were"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "really gasping in the background. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "part of God's plan, right? Because how"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "else do you explain how history has"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "developed, right? He's saying how 1917"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "the Balfour Declaration is a miracle."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "1948 the founding of the state of Israel"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "is a miracle. 1967 the the war against"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "the Arabs is a miracle. Moving of the"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "the capital to Jerusalem. It's all"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "[clears throat] a miracle, right?"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "And what is important is"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "you know in July"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "Donald Trump was in Ankara Turkey for a"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "NATO conference."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "this past month? Uh in July in in in"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "early July."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "This this past July though you're"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "talking about. That's right. And"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "intelligence the Israelis told him look"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "there's a bomb on your plane Air Force"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "One."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "So Donald Trump [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "sneaks out of Air Force One"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "on a catering truck and this is this is"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "reported okay this is recent news right"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "and he and like the news reporters"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "are still on the plane."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> They told they told him to stay on the"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "plane."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": ">> They were told to stay on the plane."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "Most of his of his cabinet are still on"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "the plane. Kelly Loeffler is still on"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "the plane, okay? He brings two people"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "with him. There's Peter Hoekstra, his"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "war secretary,"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "the guy who's calling for the"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "third temple, and also Narly Harp."}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "Okay, so there's a lot of scrutiny"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "around Narly Harp. Who is not Narly"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "Harp? Narly Harp"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "is"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "um someone who is very close to Trump"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "and basically she writes off Trump's"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "social media posts, okay?"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "um remember a few a few months ago how"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "Trump"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "um released a social through social of"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "him being Jesus?"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:31", "text": ">> That's Narly Harp. This woman who's"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "you know, like 35, 36, she literally"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "believes Trump is Jesus. So this is a"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "new story of how"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "um she was not allowed on the motorcade"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "with Trump. So she forced herself on the"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "back of an SUV, the trunk of the SUV,"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": ">> just so she could ride with Trump. In"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "the in the motorcade."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:53", "text": ">> Mhm. Didn't she also sleep in the locker"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "room, you said, of of"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": ">> And there's another story of how Trump"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "Trump was at Bedminster Golf Club and"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "there was no room for her. So it's like,"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "\"Fine, I'll just sleep in the locker"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "room.\""}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:03", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:04", "text": ">> So that's not who Narly Harp is. And"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "Narly Harp is probably the person"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "closest to Trump."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> Is she Jewish?"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> She's not Jewish. Okay? But there are"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "people around Trump who are very close"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "with him who are not Jewish, but they"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "are Christian Zionists. And this"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "includes Peter Hoekstra."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "And then it also includes Sean Hannity."}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "It also includes Narly Harp."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "Right? And I think that why they're so"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "influential around Trump is"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "um after January 6th, 2020, Trump was"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "isolated. There were a lot of people who"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "were close to Trump, even his own"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "daughter, who abandoned him because of"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "the controversy around January 6th. But"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "there were certain individuals who did"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": ">> And that's why"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "they"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "are so influential around Trump. Natalie"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "Harp literally believed Trump is Jesus."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> If you enjoy watching our show on"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "Spotify or YouTube and you want to be"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "more involved, I encourage you to please"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "come check out our Patreon community."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "Not only does our Patreon community get"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "every episode you see on YouTube early,"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "fully uncensored, and ad-free, but we're"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "also doing Patreon-exclusive episodes,"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "as well as live Q&A's, and you can get"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "your personal questions answered by our"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "guests every single week. 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So the people who run China are"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "not actually in China. They're actually"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "in the United States and they are"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "inconspicuous. You don't know who they"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "are. The State Department knows who they"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "are. The State Department keeps very"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "close track of these people and there's"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "like tens of thousands of them um"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "scattered throughout the world um"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "primarily in the United States"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> and China is essentially their"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "plantation. It's no different from like"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "these Brit British aristocrats who had"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "circummentations back in the Car"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "Caribbean. Okay. It's the same concept."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. So that's the very structure"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "of the Chinese system."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "Now"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "um after Daping died, you had a new set"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "of leaders who came into power and these"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "were technocrats, people like Jangin,"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "Jong, Huin Tao, Wjaba and they ran China"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "for"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> what year are we talking?"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> So uh Dan Ping died in about 97. Okay."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "Uh and then Jurong Ji and um Jung came"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "in power in about 98. Okay. and they"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "establish a technocracy and the best way"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "to understand a technocracy is um"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "building a middle class right so you"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "have this revolutionary elite that are"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "the stakeholders of China they have the"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "real power because they control the"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "military okay these are these are"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "military families they control the guns"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> okay and then the compromise is let's"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "create a middle class to interface with"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "the global economy right you because"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "these multinationals are coming in and"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "you need um economists you need uh"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "professionals, you need managers"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "and um they helped the Chinese economy"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "to boom and um and this was good but at"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "the same time it was causing a lot of"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "conflict and contradiction in China"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "because it was leading to a lot of"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "inequality. It was leading to a lot a"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "lot to corruption. It was creating a lot"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "of debt."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> Okay. And the problem with working with"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "the United States is Wall Street wanted"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "China to liberalize its financial"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "system. And what that means, it's very"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "simple, is"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "Chinese household um households save"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "more money than anyone else in the"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "world. They save 40% of their income."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "Wall Street wanted access to this"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "capital to invest, to speculate. Okay?"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "They wanted um access to the Chinese"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "financial system. They wanted people to"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "invest in US companies"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> in US stocks."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": ">> In US stocks."}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": ">> That's right. Yeah. They want to"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "liberalize the Chinese financial system."}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> And um the Chinese didn't want to do"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "that because you, as you can imagine,"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> if the Chinese had an option of"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "investing in US companies, all the money"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "in China would flow out of China into"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "United States and China would go"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "bankrupt. So, President Cinping was"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "brought into power to"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "basically get rid of the cooperation"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "between Wall Street and the middle class"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "to nationalize China again, right? To uh"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:30", "text": ">> Oh, so there at one point was this"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "cooperation?"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": ">> Yeah, between Wall Street and"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> so people at one point were allowed to"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "invest in Wall Street stocks and"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "companies."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": ">> So, um it didn't get to that point."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> Okay. But the f the but a lot of the um"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "ingredients were already in place for"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "this to happen. Meaning um WashU had a"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "huge presence in China. Wu had joint"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "ventures with Chinese financial"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "companies."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> A lot of Chinese middle class people"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "were moving to United States and getting"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "education."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> Now is there any argument to be made"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "that that would be a good thing for"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "China?"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Sorry that no that's a very sensitive"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "question. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Um yeah. Okay."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Sorry I hit a nerve."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, you shook me there,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "right? I I don't know how to go tell"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "back my superiors in Beijing. Um but no,"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": ">> um the argument is"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "that the middle class is what drives"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "democracy and what drives innovation in"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "China. They are what um it's called the"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "creative class. And in a global economy,"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "whichever nation state has the most"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "creative class will win out because"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": ">> in a global econom Say that one more"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "time. In a global economy,"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": ">> in a globalized economy, the nation"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "state that has the most creative class"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": ">> will win out."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:56", "text": ">> Because um what drives the global"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "economy is human knowledge, right? So um"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "before maybe resources drove the"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "economy. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> But now it's really about uh a nation"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "state's capacity to produce knowledge,"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "soft power basically. So if they're able"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "to create really good AI"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": ">> that would that would control the world"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "economy, right? But to have really good"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "AI, artificial intelligence, you need um"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "a very vibrant middle class,"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "[snorts] right? So nation states are"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "competing for human capital."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "Got it."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> Okay. So, if you want human capital, you"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "need democracy. You need um"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": ">> talking about like is it is this similar"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "to what you're saying? Uh"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "would this be equivalent to like"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "innovation? That'd be a good word to"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "use."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> Exactly. If you want to drive"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "innovation, you need a middle class. Got"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> Okay. But this middle class also has to"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "be cosmopolitan and liberal and"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "forward-looking. So um there's a book"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "there's a book by Richard Florida"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> called [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "um the rise of the creative class."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> The rise of the creative class."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> Yeah. By Richard Florida. And in it he"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "argues"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "that the most creative people are drawn"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "to cities that are the most open-minded."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "And he calls this a gay index. Okay. So"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "cities with the highest proportion of"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "gay people tend to be the most creative."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "He refers to places like San Francisco,"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "Austin, Texas. Um and what what he"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "argues is it's these cities that will"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "ultimately drive the global economy. So"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "the argument is if China really wants to"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "overtake the United States, it needs a"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "creative class"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> and therefore it needs to liberalize not"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "only its economy but its society"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:53", "text": ">> and the red nobility and President CD"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "being said we don't want that"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:55", "text": ">> right because it's a plantation economy"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:57", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": ">> right we just want to be able to extract"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "value from the people we don't want the"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "people to be creative because if they're"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "creative that means they will want to"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "overthrow the government,"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> So, so there was this contradiction. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "did you want innovation or did you want"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "control? And they said, \"No, we prefer"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "control.\" And President C was brought up"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "power in order to exert control over the"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "economy."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": ">> Yeah. And the classic example is CO"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": ">> because I was actually in China when CO"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "happened."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": ">> Yeah. So in 2003 I was in China during"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "SARS and I was in Beijing and SARS was"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "the best time of my life because like"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "for two weeks everyone just stayed in"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "their apartment"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": ">> and I could just go out and drink beer"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "and like the entire city was mine. It"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "was like paradise."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": ">> You weren't scared."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:47", "text": ">> I wasn't scared because everyone was at"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "home."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": ">> Right. So like like it's it's an"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "infectious disease. Are you better off"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "in an apartment with like thousands of"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "other people in the apartments and"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "ventilation is bad"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": ">> or are you better off outside drinking"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "beer?"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> You're probably better off outside"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "drinking beer, right?"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> So, I thought I thought it was a great"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "time."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> And then CO happens um in this year"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "2021."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": ">> And I thought same thing, man. But it"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "was the complete opposite."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "And what I believe because I because you"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "know by 2021 I I was in China for a long"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "long time and I believe the main"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "paradigm was economic growth at all"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "cost. We didn't care what we have to do."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": ">> What kind of growth?"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": ">> Economic growth at all cost, right?"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "We're going to grow the economy no"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "matter what it takes,"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> Because that's uh the source of our"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "legitimacy."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "But during co they completely upended"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "that. It was a paradigm shift"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": ">> and I didn't think that was possible."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "But during COVID, entrepreneurs were no"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "were no longer able to go to the"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "factories. [snorts] Factories closed"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "down. The real estate market tanked"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "during COVID. The economy was basically"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "destroyed and it's never really"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "recovered. And I'm like, why would they"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "do that? Why would they intentionally"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "implode the Chinese economy,"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> And the answer is they wanted control,"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "not innovation. [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> It's a plantation economy. They wanted"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "to exert control over the economy"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> even if it meant the entire economy"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "collapses."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. Because they did not like the"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "the direction the economy was going."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Do you know like the stats on what like"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "the mortality rates were in China during"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "that whole"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": ">> Dude, that's a state secret, man."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:35", "text": ">> Yeah, that would that would get me"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "killed."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": ">> None of that none of that stuff is"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "public. They don't they don't I mean,"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "I'm sure they made some sort of claims,"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "right? Even though if if it's true or"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "not, there's got to be some sort of"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "statements on it. No."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "um I think it was a lot higher than is"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "publicly acknowledged,"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": ">> right? I would I would assume that."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": ">> But that is a state secret."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:55", "text": ">> Huh."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> CO is probably the most sensitive topic"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "right now in China"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> still to this day."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Um how it started, uh government"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "policies, how many people died, why they"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "ultimately decided to lift restrictions,"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "it's all state secret. It's really It's"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "really interesting because if you go to"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "China, one thing that you'll discover"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "about China is that it has no memory."}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "It's a really interesting place. But if"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "you talk to people about the 1980s, they"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "don't remember anything from 1980s. It's"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "really strange."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": ">> And the reason why is, you know, an"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "authoritarian nation state,"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "memory has to be curated."}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> Right. Right. Right. Right. History"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "class has to be very curated."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> Right. So you're not allowed to have"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "your own memory. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> You're only allowed"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": ">> Here's what M here's how many people Mao"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "killed. Okay. [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:43", "text": ">> You don't want to tell them that, right?"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> Or is it is it like that? Do they tell"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "him like the truth about Ma?"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": ">> This is what I found. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": ">> Okay. Um Yeah, it's probably not true"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "anyways."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": ">> Okay. what what um the back end of that"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "question I was asking you is um how much"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "support does does uh Xi have right now"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "in in China and and what do you think do"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "you think uh"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "what do you think Xi's view of the"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "geopolitical landscape is"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:20", "text": ">> okay so um all right so let's continue"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "this narrative okay so I've I've already"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "established that China is a plantation"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "economy and the majority stakeholders"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "actually overseas"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "And what they're interested in is not"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "innovation because innovation innovation"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "does not help them. They're only"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "interested in stability and control,"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "right? Because these are the people who"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "control the hospitals, the power plants,"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "the infrastructure, the"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "telecommunications network."}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": ">> So as long as the nation state is"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "stable, they're able to extract value."}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "But with innovation, uh, a lot of"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "innovation, uh, the, um, profits from"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "innovation go would go to the middle"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "class to people like Jack Ma and then"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "they could present a threat to the"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "control of the Communist Party. Right?"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:03", "text": ">> Okay. So, they don't want innovation,"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "they want control. That's that's part"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "one. Part two is"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": ">> within China, even within the red"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "nobility, there are many different"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "political factions."}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "And these political factions are"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "fighting over control of the country."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "And you know, we can argue about how"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "many factions there are, but there's"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "quite a few. And so"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "what is generally agreed is there has to"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "be a strong man at the top to give the"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "appearance of authoritarianism."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "And then these factions fight amongst"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "themselves for the spoils."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "And what they agree on is um right now"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "President C is the only"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "possible strong man for China."}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "There can be no alternative to him."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "There's no successor to him. There's no"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "succession plan in place."}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:05", "text": ">> So he is really the frontman, the strong"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "man for the system. But the problem with"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "this is he has actually very little"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "control over China."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "He's an emperor of no clothes. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "So, for example, you know, you know how"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Donald Trump has been joking about 2028,"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> this baseball cap saying, you know,"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "like, you know, 20 Trump 2028"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "everywhere."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Uh-huh."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> And then during the White House"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "Correspondents Dinner, he's like, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "I've got a scoop for you guys. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "to run for a third term.\" It's meant as"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "a joke, but was"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> So, Kurt Metzger told me you had a"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "theory"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> on the Venezuela"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> operation."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> And how this all ties into Trump getting"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "another term. He's going to Can you"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "explain that? You're You're saying that"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "when Maduro"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "uh goes into his trial, Trump's going to"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "get him to testify that they stole the"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "election, something like that."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> Yeah. So, um what Trump is obsessed"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "about, okay, more than anything else in"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "the world, is the 2020 election and how"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "it was stolen from him. Right. Okay. He"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "talks about this all the time. The"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "Butler assassination attempt, he never"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "talks about it."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "Okay?"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> That's also very weird."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> If someone tried to kill you and you"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "survived, you'd be like talk talk about"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "every single day. He never talks about"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Do you have a theory on that?"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Uh well, we we we can go into this"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "later."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> come back to it."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> Yeah, we'll come back come come back to"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "it. Okay. But like, not only does he not"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "talk about like no one talks about it."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "No one in this administration talks"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "about um how they tried to kill him,"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "right? But he talks about the 2020"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "election all the time. How it was stolen"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "from him. He's obsessed about it. He has"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "his his entire administration working"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "overtime to to um"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "uncover how they stole it. Remember"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "Tulsi Gabbard before she left the DNI,"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "sh- her job was basically to figure out"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "how they stole the elections, right? And"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "the theory is um the Smartmatic"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "machines."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:44", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": ">> Right? The the the polling machines. The"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "the Smartmatic machines, okay?"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": ">> So, um"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "I think that Maduro is a CIA asset"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "because otherwise, it's very hard to"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "explain how this operation went so"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "smoothly and how um after Maduro left"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "the Venezuelan government has been so"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "cooperative. Did you know that Maduro is"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "still the president of Venezuela?"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": ">> I did not know that."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:09", "text": ">> He's still the president of Venezuela."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> Huh."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> This There's been no change in"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "leadership."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:14", "text": ">> From New York? He's running it from New"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "York?"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> It's really weird."}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "He's still technically the president of"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "Venezuela even though he is in prison in"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "in New York. So, I think there's a"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "secret deal between Maduro and Trump and"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "Maduro is going to testify"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "that the Smartmatic machines are rigged."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "and the Democrats basically were able to"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "use the Smartmatic machines to steal the"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "2020 election."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": ">> And he's going to use that as an excuse"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "to get another term."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": ">> Um he's building a case, yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "Right? Because"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "honestly, um"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "if you are the the American public,"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "you have to believe something weird"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "happened during the 2020 election,"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "right? Cuz Trump won on election night"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "and then 2 weeks later,"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "you have all these mail-in ballots come"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "into"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "um mail"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "in in in in come in and it overturned"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "the election. Now, I I want to show you"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "a video, okay? So, can you find"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "Bernie Sanders"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "Jimmy Kimmel"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "the blue tide."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:29", "text": ">> Blue tide?"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "All right?"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> And this happened before the election in"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "November 2020."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "No, Jimmy Kimmel"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "uh blue tide."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "No, Jimmy Kimmel"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": ">> Should it be a short, maybe?"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a short video. But But"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "basically"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> What does blue blue tide mean?"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> so the"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "No, so the blue tide"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> the context of it? Like what what what"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "is said?"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> So, so what um"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "Bernie Sanders told Jimmy Kimmel"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> Sus- Was he suspended over this?"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Oh, black tide."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> No, blue tide."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> The blue tide."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Black tide is a metal band."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:15", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": ">> Explain what happened."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> Okay, so what happened was this, okay?"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "Before"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "uh the election"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "Bernie Sanders appeared on Jimmy Kimmel"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "and said"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "\"Listen, I'm going to tell you what's"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "going to happen on election night. On"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "election night"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "it will seem as though Trump had win had"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "won."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> Do not worry, okay? Because what's going"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "to happen is there are all these"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "millions of these mail-in ballots that"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "are going to come in on next 2 weeks in"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "and they are the blue tide."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "And they would overturn election and"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "let Biden win. So, guys, on election"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "night, do not freak out. Do not riot. Do"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "not worry. We've got this."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "This is before November 2020 election."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "This is Bernie Sanders appearing on"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "Jimmy Kimmel saying this."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": ">> And like you're like \"How would he know"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "this was going to happen?\" Because that"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "that that's exactly what happened."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "That's exactly what happened."}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": ">> Can you find that him talking about"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "mail-in ballots? Bernie Saw Sanders"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "talking about mail-in ballots on before"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "2020 election on Jimmy Kimmel?"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> I believe it was Jimmy Kimmel, but it"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "might have been Jimmy Fallon. I I"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "I think it was Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:31", "text": ">> Yeah, okay."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:32", "text": ">> It's on YouTube."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": ">> Yeah, why would he come out and admit"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "that on a on a"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "huge"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> This is before the election, by the way."}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:38", "text": ">> like that right before the election?"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:39", "text": ">> the election."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> How did he know?"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "Did you know that $6 billion was spent"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "on the election? $6 billion."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> Between both parties?"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "No, just by the Democrats."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> By the Democrats."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Against Trump."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "$6 billion"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "were spent to defeat Trump that that"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "election."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> That's insane."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": ">> That's totally crazy."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> So, it's weird. Uh I'm not saying that"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "the Democrats cheated, but like I don't"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "understand how Bernie Sanders was able"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "to come out"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "a few weeks before the general election"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> and make that comment. And that's"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "exactly what happened."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> The blue tide."}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "do you think that those there was"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "anything to those Smartmatic voting"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "machines? Do you think there is any"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "legitimacy to that?"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "That that those those things were"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "actually used for voter fraud maybe in"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "other countries in other South American"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "countries or anything like that?"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> So, um Glenn Greenwald mentioned this,"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "but he lives in Brazil."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": ">> And he's saying that"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "every time there's a national president"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "presidential election, they were able to"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "And Brazil has a population of 300"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "million people, right? But they're able"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "to tabulate result in a day. They're"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "able to like literally tell you that"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "night"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": ">> Why does it take a month in the United"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "States to figure out who won?"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:54", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:55", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:57", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> United States is the most"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "technologically advanced country in the"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "world. Why does it take a month to"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "figure out who won?"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:04", "text": ">> It's really strange that way."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> Okay? So So, what I think is if you just"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "look at um the two-party system,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "there's a lot of shenanigans"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "in elections."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": ">> And they do so to protect the two-party"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "duopoly."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> And that's why um"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "it takes so long to count the votes."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": ">> Um to enable cheating."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "So, I think like everyone cheats. I"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "think every election, there's a lot"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "cheating."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": ">> And then and in 2020, the Democrats"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "cheated better than the Republicans."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": ">> Yeah. I think that makes sense."}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:40", "text": ">> I think that makes a lot of sense. So,"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "so what what do you think happened with"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "the Butler assassination? What do you"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "think that was all about? Cuz there's so"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "many weird things about that that whole"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "so"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "I think when they do these things, it's"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "a ritual."}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": ">> It's a ceremony of some sort, okay?"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "because remember what happened was that"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "the bullet grazed Trump's right ear"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> and it it bled."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> And then when he fell to the ground and"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "the and the Secret Service was trying to"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "remove him from the podium he said \"No,"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "no, no, no. Like my my shoe on my my"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "left foot"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "there's no I I I need to get my shoe.\""}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "And they let him get his shoe."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> That's really weird, man."}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:22", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> Like if someone's shooting at you, get"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "the hell out of there. Like no, no, I I"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "I no, I I need my shoe. It's my lucky"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "shoe."}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "That's"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:30", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": ">> Right? And and they let him do that,"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "okay?"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "So so so this is an anomaly. Um"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "the right ear"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "um is bleeding"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "and the um"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "left foot is without a shoe."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:44", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> Okay? So if you go to the Bible,"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "Leviticus"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": ">> um whenever someone is"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "anointed for a special purpose by God"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "they have a ceremony. The ceremony is"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "you first make a sacrifice to God and"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "you take the blood of that sacrifice and"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "you dab it on your right ear as well as"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "your left foot."}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": ">> And that anoints you as the special"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "agent of God. Like the chosen one,"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "basically."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> Um so I think that's what happened at"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Butler. I think it was a staged event in"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "order to anoint Trump for the special"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "mission ahead of him."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "And um he's doing it."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:29", "text": ">> So you think this could have been a plot"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "by one of these extremist religious"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "groups"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "perform it"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "unbeknownst to Trump and then later"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "convince him that he was anointed by"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "God."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:42", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": ">> Or do you think he was a part of it?"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:44", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "the bullet grazed his ear, right?"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:49", "text": ">> talk to any"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "If you talk to any ballistics expert,"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "they would be like, \"That's impossible.\""}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": ">> Right, but some guy did get shot in the"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "head."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:55", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "I'm saying like, how's it possible for"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "that bullet just grazes the ear,"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "and then magically the ear is fine a"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "week later, right?"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:03", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> And you talk to any ballistics expert,"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "they're like, \"That's impossible.\""}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> That can't possibly happen. I mean, like"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "the ear's going to get blown off."}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": ">> Regardless of how, you know, of of like"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "how how it grazes it, okay?"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": ">> So, what people believe is that Trump"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "had a razor in his"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "hand,"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "and then he"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "slightly"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "uh cut his ear so that it bled."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": ">> Like an old wrestling trick."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:32", "text": ">> Well, he used to be part of that world,"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> He did, used to be a part of that world,"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": ">> Right? He had this"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "He had this death match with Vince Vince"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "Vince McMahon."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:45", "text": ">> That's so bonkers."}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> Yeah. If you talk to a lot of people,"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> I hope that's true."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "I hope he admits it."}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "I think if he admitted it, his followers"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "would accept it."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> But he never He never talks about it,"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "right? It goes against his his"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "character."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": ">> Right? He's not a shy guy. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "So, how do you predict that this I this"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "Iran war is going to play out? How much"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "longer do you think it's going to last?"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "And what are going to be the downstream"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "effects of it?"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> This war is almost unstoppable at this"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "point."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "Because what's happened is"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "um both sides have become"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "eschatological."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "So, um the United States"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "has become more extreme. So, Trump is"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "surrounding himself with people who are"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "going to reinforce"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "his religious zeal. People like Natalie"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "Harp and Peter Hexaf."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "Um and these really have gone all in"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "in this eschatology as well."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "But, the Iranians have changed as well."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "So, at the"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "at the onset of this war, um the"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "Iranians were led by a very pragmatic"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "leadership."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> But, the Americans have come have killed"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "them all."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> And they killed Soleimani and they"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "literally did nothing."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> There was no reaction."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:09", "text": ">> That's right. So, a lot of the pragmatic"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "leadership, the wise moderates, have"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "been eliminated. And who's rising in the"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "ranks in the IRGC? The um"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "Iranian Revolutionary Guard Guard Corps"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "are these radicals who are"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "eschatological. They're young,"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> they're angry, and they want vengeance"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "for what what they what the United"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "States is doing to um"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "to Iran. And they're eschatological"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "because they believe that this is"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "this is the end of the world. This is um"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "the war to end all wars. And when this"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "happens, then then their Messiah, called"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "the 12th"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "um Imam, the Mahdi,"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "will come to lead them."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "Okay? So, this has become a religious"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "war"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "on both sides."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": ">> And it's almost intentional because"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "remember"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "um the United States had an MOU with"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "Iran."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:08", "text": ">> And the United States kept on reneging"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "on the MOU, which embarrassed the"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "the um"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "the moderates in Iran."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> Right? It basically delegitimized them."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "And now the"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "um zealots are in control."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "So, what Iran has said is"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "we now refuse to negotiate with"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "Americans. And also, from now on, we"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "will go on the offensive. We will no"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "longer retaliate against"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "um bombing. We will now"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "initiate attacks."}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": ">> So, as of today"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "what is the date today? August 19th."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "There's no negotiating. There's no"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "They're not trying to negotiate at all."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": ">> It's done. The Iranians no longer want"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "to negotiate. And there's even"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "discussion that the Iranians will attack"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "as far as Europe because they believe"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "that a lot of weaponry is coming from"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "Europe."}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "So, if this were to happen"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "what what would What's going to happen"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "is the Ukraine war"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "and the Iran war would merge together to"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "engulf the entire world."}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": ">> How the hell would they merge together?"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "um Iran it"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "is being embargoed by the United States"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "And there are two countries that support"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "Iran. Right? You have China, you have"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "Russia."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": ">> Iran China supports Iran through the um"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "through railways, through through"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "Central Asia."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "Russia supports Iran through the Caspian"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "Sea. Right? Can Can Can we draw a map,"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "Steve? It's It's really important we we"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "we see the map, okay? So so we'll we'll"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "we'll we'll just see a map of Central"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "Asia in the Middle East. And I'll show"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "you how the the the wars will link up."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> Is Zelenskyy going to try to supply the"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "United States with drones and [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> No. What No, it's much worse than that,"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "okay? So so so you see"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "um Ukraine, right? You see Ukraine and"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "you see Iran."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "Okay?"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> Uh yes, I see Ukraine and I see Iran."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> Punch in a little bit, Steve. Just a"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "little bit. A little"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> here. Here. Okay. All right. So, right"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "now there two there two wars. The one"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "the war in Ukraine is in Ukraine and the"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "war in Iraq."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Now, Russia supplies uh"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "Iran through the Caspian Sea, right? You"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "you see that big lake in the middle,"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "okay? [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> What happened a couple weeks ago was the"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "Ukrainians launched a drone strike"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "against an Iranian cargo ship killing"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "one person in the Caspian Sea. You see"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "how far Ukraine is from the Caspian Sea,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> Zelensky"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "um admitted it was the Ukrainians who"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "did this and he said though and he said"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "it was justified because the Iranians"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "are supplying the Russians in the war."}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": ">> Okay. But people suspect that it's"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "because Zelensky is trying to get"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "American"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "uh financing and support for the war in"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "Ukraine and that's why he's trying to"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "merge these two wars."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Right? So, so as this war continues,"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "what's going to happen is the United"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "States will try to cut off Russia's"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "supplies to Iran and that means a war in"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "the Caspian, which could involve"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan. And if"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "these three involved, then all then then"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "then like basically you have the merging"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "of these two two fronts, the Ukraine and"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "the Iranian"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "uh fronts."}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": ">> Also"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": ">> Also, what's been happening is Iran's"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "proxies have been brought into the war,"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "okay? So, at the onset of the war, it"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "was Israel and the United States versus"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "Iran. Now, there are more there have"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "been more fronts opened up, okay? So,"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "you have Hezbollah in Lebanon. Israel is"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "attacking uh Hezbollah in Lebanon."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "There's talk of Syria attacking"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "Hezbollah from the north, okay? That's"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "one front. Another front is if you go"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "down uh to Yemen, okay? There's"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "something called uh the Bab el-Mandeb"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "Strait, okay?"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "You see You see this, right? This is"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "where the Houthis are. The Houthis are"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "also a proxy of the Iranians, and they"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "have been brought into war. And what And"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "what is important is the Houthis live in"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "mountains. Right. It is impossible to"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "attack mountains. They tried during"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "Operation Prosperity Guardian, it did"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "not work, okay?"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "The Houthis are within striking range of"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "the entire Saudi Arabian"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "energy infrastructure, and they've been"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "attacking"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "Aramco oil fields with their drones."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "Because at the end of the day, the"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "entire Middle East is just one giant oil"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "field that you can blow up with"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "ballistic missiles or drone strikes,"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "okay? So you can see how this war is"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "expanding very rapidly throughout the"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "world."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Something else that um"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "um is happening is on the economic"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "front,"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "Japan is under a lot of pressure."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "And the reason why is Japan"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "provides a lot of liquidity to the"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "world. It's something called the"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "Japanese yen carry trade, okay? And And"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "this This is a very common concept, but"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "but I'll try my best to explain it to"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "you in very simple terms."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "Basically, the idea is this. For the"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "past 30 years, Japan has been suffering"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "from deflation."}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "So the government is like, \"Why don't we"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "just lend money at zero interest to"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "Japanese banks and corporations in order"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "refinance the Japanese economy, right?\""}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "But if you're getting money at zero"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "percent,"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "you're like, \"Why don't we just take"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "this money and then"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "buy US Treasuries, which gives you 5% a"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "year?\" Right. It's called the yen carry"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "trade. So it's like free money, right?"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "So what's happening is Japan is"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "literally financing the entire world"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "with that yen carry trade."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "with this war in the Middle East, Japan"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "is losing most of its oil supply,"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "which is putting strain on the Japanese"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "yen. So that's why these past few months"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "the Japanese yen has been sinking"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "because investors believe the Japanese"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "economy is heading towards collapse."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "In order to shore up the yen"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:51", "text": ">> Where do they Where do they buy their"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "oil from?"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": ">> Uh from the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": ">> From What's specifically where though?"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:57", "text": ">> Uh Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": ">> Okay, all of them. Okay."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> Yeah, like maybe 80% of Japanese"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "oil comes from the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": ">> Right? And Japan still has uh strategic"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "petroleum reserves, but it's going to"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "run out in like 6 months."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": ">> Japan doesn't have any oil, okay?"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "So, [clears throat] investors are"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "putting strain on the Japanese yen,"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "which means that eventually what's going"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "to happen is Japan is going to have to"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "um end the yen carry trade. And so,"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "Japan can no longer finance the world."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "And then what is important is Japan"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "right now is the world's biggest buyer"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "of US Treasuries."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "Japan has like over a trillion dollars"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "in US Treasuries."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "And if Japan stops buying US Treasuries,"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "uh then it's going to put it's going to"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "put strain on the US economy. And it's"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "possible that this will burst two"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "bubbles, the AI bubble and the private"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "credit bubble in the United States."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:51", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:53", "text": ">> And this would cause tremendous"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "contagion throughout the United States."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "Basically, it would cause a white-collar"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "apocalypse. You know how how during the"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "'80s and '90s uh a lot of blue-collar"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "jobs were shipped off to China, right?"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "And so, workers suffered. Well, if the"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "economy were to collapse, then a lot of"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "white-collar people would lose their"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "livelihoods."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "Right? The middle class would cease to"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "exist in the United States."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "Yeah, Japan's the largest owner of"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "foreign holder of US Treasuries,"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "approximately 1.16"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "trillion."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "So, in the beginning of this Iran thing,"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "one of the craziest things like I was"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "there was a um a documentary that Vice"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "did where he uh Shane Smith went to Iran"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "and was talking to one of the the"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "spokespeople for Iran."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "And, uh,"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "they were showing how"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "I forget which president it was,"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "I think it was in the '70s,"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "one of the presidents gifted Iran with"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "an its first nuclear reactor."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "And it was called Atoms for Peace."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:58", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> To help them with nuclear energy."}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> And, you know, the question was asked"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "if it seems like"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "nukes are the biggest question the"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "biggest excuse that that everyone's"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "using to go after you. Like they can't"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "have a nuclear program. They not can't"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "have a nuclear program. Eisenhower did"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "the Atoms for Peace thing where they"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "gave them their first 5 megawatt nuclear"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "reactor."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "And it's still sitting [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "there in Tehran."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": ">> Mhm. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": ">> And, uh, it's just funny that now like"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "that's the that's the excuse they're"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "using to invade. But so he's asking like"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "this is, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "a hotbed or this is like one of the"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "primary locations on Earth for oil"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "reserves. Like you're just surrounded by"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "oil."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> Why not just"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "use oil? Like why do you need nuclear"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "energy? That seems like that would be a"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "a a huge uh, a huge answer to all of"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "your biggest problems."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": ">> And, uh, the guy came gave kind of a"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "[ __ ] answer. He kind of was like his"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "answer was like, \"Oh, uh, climate"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "change.\""}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> But if I was a leader of Iran and like"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "they were accusing me of of having a"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "nuclear program and doing that and I was"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "like, \"No, I need to have this much"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "nuclear energy. We need to refine this"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "much to have nuclear power.\" I would"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "just [ __ ] go off nuclear and I would"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "just do all oil. Yeah. Fossil fuels."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:10", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:14", "text": ">> You know, like don't you think that"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "seems would seem like a reasonable thing"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "for them to do?"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "Look, I think if you look at the Middle"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "East,"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "not not a lot of things make sense,"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "okay? So one of the biggest mysteries is"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "why the United States invaded Iraq in"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "2003."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "Right?"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:28", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": ">> Because"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "um, if you You look at if you just look"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "at Saddam Hussein at this point,"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "his advisers went to him and says,"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "\"Look, I think the Americans are trying"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "to invade us.\" Saddam Hussein's like,"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "\"There There's no way they would invade"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "us.\""}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:43", "text": ">> Yeah. It makes no sense, right? It makes"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "no sense, right?"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": ">> If they came and destroyed Iraq, Iran"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "would become the regional super"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "superpower. Why would they do that?"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:52", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": ">> Why not Why not Why not have Iraq and"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "Iran kill each other like like like like"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "what happened in 1980s, Iraq-Iran War,"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "right? Balance of power. That's how"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "empires behave."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:01", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": ">> There's no way they would come and"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "destroy us. So, he's just No, it's not"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "going to happen."}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:10", "text": ">> It makes no sense. Even today, it makes"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "no sense."}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "Unless"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": ">> you have some crazy some crazy religious"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "zealots that have the answer to"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": ">> Yeah. So, so so so let's look look look"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "at another video, okay? This is um"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "Wesley Clark talking to Amy Goodman."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "And this is after 9/11."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "And Wesley Clark is saying how the"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "United States has this plan to invade"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "seven countries."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:36", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": ">> In like a certain amount of years."}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah, yeah. In 5 years."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:46", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:47", "text": ">> How long is this video, Stu?"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:48", "text": ">> 7 minutes."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:49", "text": ">> Do you know which part of the video he"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "says this?"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "Go ahead, hit it play."}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:54", "text": ">> About 10 days after 9/11, I went through"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "the Pentagon and"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> Of Mr. Rumsfeld"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> and Secretary Rumsfeld and"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, I went"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "downstairs just to say hello to some of"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "the people in the joint staff. Who used"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "to used to work for me? And one of the"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "generals called me and he said, \"Sir,"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "you got to come in You got to come in"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "and talk to me a second.\" I said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "you're too busy.\" He said, \"No, no.\" He"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "says,"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "\"We've made the decision we're going to"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "war with Iraq.\" This was on or about the"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "20th of September."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "I said, \"We're going to war with Iraq,"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "why?\""}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "He said, \"I don't know.\""}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "He said, \"I guess they don't know what"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "else to do.\""}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "So, uh I said, \"Well, did they find some"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "information collect connecting Saddam to"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "Al-Qaeda?\" He said, \"No, no.\" He says,"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "\"There's nothing new that way. They just"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "made the decision to go to war with"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "Iraq.\" He said, \"I guess it's like we"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "don't know what to do about terrorists,"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "but we got a good military and we can"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "take down governments.\" And um he said,"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "\"I guess if if the only tool you have is"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "a hammer, every problem has to look like"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "a nail.\""}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "So, I came back to see him a few weeks"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "later, and by that time we were bombing"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "in Afghanistan. I said, \"Are we still"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "going to war with Iraq?\" And he said,"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "\"Oh, it's worse than that.\" He said he"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "reached over on his desk, he picked up a"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "piece of paper, he said, \"I just He"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "said, \"I just got this down from"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "upstairs, meaning the Secretary of"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "Defense's office today.\" And he said,"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "\"This is a memo that describes how we're"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "going to take out seven countries in 5"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "years, starting with Iraq and then"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan,"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "and finishing off Iran.\""}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "I said, \"Is it classified?\" He said,"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "\"Yes, sir.\" I said"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:01", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": ">> I said, \"Well, don't show it to me.\""}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "And I saw him a year or so ago, and I"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "said, \"Remember that?\" He said, \"Sir, I"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "didn't show you that memo. I didn't show"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "it to you.\""}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": ">> I'm sorry, what did you say his name"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "was?"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": ">> I'm not going to give you his name."}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": ">> So, go through the countries again."}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": ">> Well, starting with Iraq, then Syria and"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "Lebanon, then Libya, then Somalia and"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "Sudan, and then back to Iran. So, when"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "you look at Iran, he says it is a"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "replay. It's not exactly a replay, but"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "here's the truth, that Iran from the"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "beginning has seen that the presence of"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "the United States in Iraq was a threat."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "A blessing, because we took out Saddam"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "Hussein and the Ba'athists. They"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "couldn't handle them. We could took care"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "of it for them. But also a threat,"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "because they knew that they were next on"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "the hit list. And so, of course they got"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "engaged. They lost a million people"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "during the war with Iraq."}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "And they got a long and unprotectable,"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "unsecurable border. So, it was in their"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "vital interest to be deeply involved"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "inside Iraq."}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "they tolerated our attacks on the"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "Ba'athists. They were happy we captured"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "Saddam Hussein, but they're building up"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "their own network of influence. And to"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "cement it, they occasionally give some"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "military assistance and training and"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "advice, either directly or indirectly,"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "to both the insurgents and to the"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "militias. And"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:05", "text": ">> Jesus."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:06", "text": ">> in that sense, it's not exactly"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "parallel, because"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:09", "text": ">> are three things I want to point out"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "about this video, okay?"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": ">> Number one is"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "they've already achieved six of the"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "seven countries, okay?"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": ">> Right? They've destroyed uh"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "Libya, Syria,"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "um Iraq,"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": ">> Somalia, Sudan."}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:30", "text": ">> Yeah, and the last country you said was"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "Iran. Okay? So, if we think that this"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "war was completely accidental, how do"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "you explain this video? Okay?"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "Um that's the first point I will make."}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "Second point I will make is"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "this aligns with the Clean Break Memo of"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "1996."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "Right? So, he's like, you know, where"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "does it come from? We don't know. Well,"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "it comes from the Clean Break Memo."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "So, this this is something that goes"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "back for a long time. Okay, that's"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "number two. Number three is"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "uh people don't appreciate this, but he"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "should not be allowed to say these"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "This is confidential information. This"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "is a state secret. The guy went to the"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "Pentagon and he's like a US general, so"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "they they will tell him the truth, but"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "now he's saying it in public. So, why"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "would they want us to know this?"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "Also, he's talking this to Amy Goodman."}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "Do you do you know who Amy Goodman is?"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:18", "text": ">> I'm not familiar. I mean, I'm familiar"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "with who she is, but I don't know her"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "background."}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": ">> She is one one of the most prominent"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "left-wing voices in American media."}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "She is extremely anti-war, anti-empire."}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "So, why would he pick this Why would he"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "pick Amy Goodman to be the person to"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "receive this news and not people like"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "someone like Sean Hannity or Fox News,"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "who's who'd be more sympathetic towards"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "war against Iraq?"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": ">> Okay? So, it seems kind of planned to"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "me. It's it's it's it's Again, he is a"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "US general who has received confidential"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "information from a source within the"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "Pentagon"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "and it would be considered um you know,"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "I mean,"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": ">> So, you you you think he's letting out"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "this secret plan"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "to invade all these countries to the"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "public intentionally?"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": ">> To to sow distrust in the United States,"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "in American Empire?"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": ">> Or to to prepare the public for for"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "what's about to happen."}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:17", "text": ">> To prepare the public for"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:19", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": ">> it's called predictive programming."}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "You [snorts] know, like if you tell"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "people what's about to happen,"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:24", "text": ">> they are less likely to be angry about"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": ">> If you enjoy watching our show on"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "Spotify or YouTube and you want to be"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "more involved, I encourage you to please"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "come check out our Patreon community."}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "Not only does our Patreon community get"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "every episode you see on YouTube early,"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "fully uncensored, and ad-free, but we're"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "also doing Patreon exclusive episodes,"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "as well as live Q&A's, and you can get"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "your personal questions answered by our"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "guests every single week. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "There are two things about Harry"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "Jackson. The first is he's he was"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "friends with a man named Rebbe"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "Schneerson."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Mhm. Pull up the Scoop Jackson guy on"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "here. Let's just get a basic Wikipedia"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "on him."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:16", "text": ">> Okay, he was friends with Rabbi"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "Schneerson."}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Rebbe. Rebbe. There's Rabbi."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> Oh, he wasn't a rabbi."}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> No, so Rebbe is the rabbi of rabbis."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> He's like the the the final the final"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "boss rabbi."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> godfather."}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> The pope. Okay."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> And all rabbis are under him. Okay. So,"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> How many of these types of rabbis are"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "there, by the way? Do they get new ones?"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "Like like the pope, there's a new pope."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Is there a new rabbi?"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> So, um the Jewish faith is different"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "from um the Catholic faith. The Catholic"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "faith is Catholic faith is very"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "centralized, right? There's one guy, the"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "pope, at the top."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "But, um the Jewish faith is very"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "decentralized. And so, there are"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "different dynasties, and these are"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "family dynasties."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "And so, Rebbe Schneerson"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "was head of something called the"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Chabad-Lubavitch movement, okay? This is"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "Harry Jackson."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> his Pull up his Wiki."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> Wiki, bro."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Okay. Sorry, continue."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "the Chabad-Lubavitch, it's a family"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "dynasty."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "And it was founded in, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "mid-19th century"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "in Russia."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "And for about,"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "you know, most of its history, it was"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "persecuted by the Russians."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "Uh first by the Russian Tsar, but then"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "later by the Soviet Union."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> And then, it's the turning point was"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "they were imported to the United States."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "They moved from the Soviet Union to the"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "United States"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "um at the outbreak of World War II to to"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "escape Nazi and Soviet persecution."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> And that was a turning point because"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "they landed in in Brooklyn, and then"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "they started to invest in Brooklyn real"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "estate, and today they basically control"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "most of Brooklyn real estate."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> Can you pull up a photo of the"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "Schneerson fella?"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "Rebbe Schneerson."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:55", "text": ">> there."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:55", "text": ">> There it is. He's called the Rebbe,"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "okay?"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": ">> Get some images. Hit hit images. The the"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "Rebbe."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "Okay? And the the Rebbe just means the"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "rabbi of rabbis."}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "What is that thing he's wearing on his"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "head on the very left?"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> The cube of Saturn."}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:11", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> The cube of Saturn?"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> It's like a miniature hat."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> It This this is who he is."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> What the hell is the cube of Saturn,"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "bro?"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> Okay. So, um"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "um the cube of Saturn"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "um will be found throughout most of"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "corporate America. So, Blackstone"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> BlackRock it's all cube of Saturn."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "Okay? Uh"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:46", "text": ">> What's going on, Steve? You spazzing out"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "over there?"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:48", "text": ">> Oh, it's not relevant. I didn't want to"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "distract you."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": ">> mean, it's cool-looking stuff. It's like"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": " look like some death metal album"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "covers."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "So so BlackRock is the cube of Saturn?"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> BlackRock, Blackstone. And"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": ">> Is this is this"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "official? Like it Are you just"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "speculating this?"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> I'm speculating."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> Well, but but you ask yourself, why is"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "it called BlackRock, Blackstone? You"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "look at it, it's very similar to what"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "Rebbe Schneerson is wearing."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:11", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:12", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:22", "text": ">> Um so, um what people believe is that um"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "Saturn is um the"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "um main god that the Jews used to"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "worship."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "Um and so, the"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "um idea of Saturday"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "Saturday"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> It's Saturn. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:43", "text": ">> Isn't Saturn all also synonymous with"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "the devil? Like isn't Saturn connected"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "with the devil in like some certain"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "like ancient Christian writings?"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> Right. So, if you look at Greek"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "mythology"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> Greek, yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> Saturn was um Cronus,"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "the father of the Titans."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "And what Cronus did was to ensure"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "forever power, to ensure that he would"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "be God forever, he ate his children."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "So, whenever his wife gave birth"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes."}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> he would eat that person."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Right, right."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": ">> the children under Zeus rebelled against"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "him and killed him."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> This is that painting, that famous"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "painting, right?"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": ">> That's right, exactly. Right, so"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": ">> Saturn, if you think about it,"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "represents total control and domination."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> Um and um"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "um so"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "so"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "I don't I honestly I don't know why, but"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "the Jews seem to worship him."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:42", "text": ">> So, um Sat- Saturday is named after"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "Saturn, and Saturday is when the Jews"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "rest, right? That's the bath."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "and and there"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": ">> Somebody was showing me these Jewish"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "elevators. I think I saw it on Twitter,"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "I think. There's there's actually"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "elevators in certain office buildings"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "for the Sabbath, where they don't have"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "They stop at every floor, so they don't"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "have to touch any buttons. That's right."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "That's right."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> That's hilarious."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": ">> That's right. And um"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "and um the there's a man named Sabbatai"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "Zevi,"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "who is very important to the story, but"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "Sabbatai Sabbatai Zevi is named after"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "Saturn."}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "And he's"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "he's considered by many Jews to be to be"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "the Messiah."}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": ">> Okay, so Schneerson is wearing this"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "black cube of Saturn on his head."}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> And that's that's like his pope hat."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> Um or or he uses he uses to meditate and"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "to pray, yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": ">> Okay, got it. All right, I don't want to"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "derail you too much on the Saturn stuff."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": ">> Right, okay, yeah. So, I'm not familiar"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "with with with with with Saturnalia."}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "They call it Saturnalia."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:38", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "but so"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "Rabbi Schneerson"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "is good friends with Henry Jackson."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "All right, so so let me let me tell you"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "some background about"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "um um Rabbi Schneerson. Okay. Rabbi"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "Schneerson was born in Mykolaiv, Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "into the Chabad-Lubavitch movement."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "Okay? So, he he married his cousin and"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "his father-in-law"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "uh Rabbi Schneerson"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "the same family name that they were"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "their cousins."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "Um because because only a Schneerson can"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "inherit the title of Rebbe. Okay? So, so"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "it's a family dynasty."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "this is a persecuted movement."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "And as a result, they become messianic."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "Right? Because if you become persecuted"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "your followers are under intense"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "pressure to convert or to give give give"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "up their religion. And the only way to"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "convince them to stay is if you convince"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "them that you're suffering for a reason."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "You're suffering because God is testing"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "you"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> and you will usher in the end times and"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "bring about the Messiah"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "and um the salvation of the world. And"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "so, it's a very small movement"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "but they come to believe this and they"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "become very messianic, okay?"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "Their turning point is World War II."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "Rabbi Schneerson and his family, they're"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "brought to America by name by a man"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "named Louis Brandeis, okay? I'll spell"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "for you, Brandeis."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:08", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> Why is he important? Because at this"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "time in history, and this is like, you"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "know"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "the late 1930s"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:14", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> um can can can can you go can you Google"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "this guy, Steve? Brandeis."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> I already got it. There you go."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> He's the most powerful Jew in America."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "Why? Because he's the um he's a Supreme"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "Court Justice."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "And also at this time in history, and"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "this is very important for us, he is the"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "most ardent Zionist in the United"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "States."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:32", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": ">> Died in '41."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": ">> Yes. He is the most ardent Zionist in"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "the United States. And so, um people"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "don't appreciate this, but there's a"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "huge debate among Zionists at this"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "point, okay?"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "um there are many Zionists who are"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "afraid"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "of the Jews going to Israel. Why?"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "Because this raises a problem of dual"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "loyalty."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "Right? Because Jews at this time in"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "history are heavily integrated into"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Western society, in Germany, in the"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "United States."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "And if"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "a lot of them were to were to return to"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "Israel, this might cause a spread of"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "anti-Semitism."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "Right? Because because"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "uh a lot of people would say, \"Well, you"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "know, if Jews have a homeland"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "called Israel, why don't they just go to"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "Israel? Get out of our country.\" Right?"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "You If if are you Jewish or are you"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "American?"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "Right? So, a lot a lot a lot of Zionists"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "is like, you know, let's not do this,"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "guys. Let's not advocate for the"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "creation of the state of Israel because"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "this would create problems for most Jews"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "around the world."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> Okay? And Louis Bra"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": ">> So, so so"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "this is assuming that Jews and Israelis"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "are already like in the same bucket or"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "or are conflated."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": ">> is not created at this point. Israel is"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "created 1948, right? This this like the"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "the '30s or the '20s, right?"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": ">> Louis Brandeis throughout this time was"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "saying, \"No, we need to create the state"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "of Israel.\""}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "Okay? And there's this guy who brought"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "the Schneerson family into America. And"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "let me tell the story of how he he did"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "so."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> All right. So,"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "he needed"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "World War II had broken out and Warsaw"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "was um being invaded by both the Soviet"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "Union and by Germany, okay?"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": ">> And the Rebbe Schneerson, like basically"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "this Rebbe Schneerson's father-in-law"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "was at Warsaw at this time."}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "So, what Louis Brandeis did was he"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "called a friend in Germany. And this guy"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "was the head of German military"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": ">> Okay? This guy was the head of German"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "military intelligence."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": ">> In the France?"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:44", "text": ">> in in Nazi Germany."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> Got it. Okay."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:50", "text": ">> And then what he did was he assembled an"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "elite force of half-Jew Nazis."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "There were Nazis who were half-Jewish,"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "but because of their valor valor in"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "World War I, Hitler granted granted"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "granted them full German Aryan status."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "Okay? So so these were half-Jews."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "And they were tasked with going to"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "Warsaw and finding um this family and"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "bringing them to the United States."}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "So they went to Warsaw."}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "And then they took"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "um this family and like look look,"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "they're clearly Jews, okay? So you got"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "you got these Nazis protecting these"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "Jews."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "And then they shipped them to Brooklyn."}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "And and this is where they built their"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "Chabad Lubavitch movement."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> The Nazis"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "rendered the this Lubavitch group this"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "little secret society"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> as a favor to Louis Brandeis."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> As a favor to Louis Brandeis and saved"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "them and brought them to the United"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "States so that they wouldn't be killed"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "in the war."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:46", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": ">> Okay, that's insane."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": ">> Okay. So so that's a background into"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "the Rebbe, okay?"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> And what will happen over time is uh the"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "Chabad movement they will have three"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "basic principles, okay? The first"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "principle is"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "we will pool resources because they're"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "poor, right? But what this means is"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "everyone in the movement will just"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "surrender their money to the leadership"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "and the leadership will invest in"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "Brooklyn real estate."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "Uh and this is again in the 1940s. And"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "now today they control most of Brooklyn"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "real estate. So they're pooling the"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "resources, okay?"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "The other thing they will do is they"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "will spread across the United States."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "They're they're now leaving leaving"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "Brooklyn building communities in Wyoming"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "um in other places."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "And when they do so, they become very"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "insulated. So, they refuse to"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "um acknowledge their neighbors. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "they teach their children"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "not to play with other kids. You're only"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "allowed to play amongst your community."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "It's basically the cult, okay?"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> And the third thing that they do, which"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "is the most important, is"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "they have lots and lots of children."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:01", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> The men are encouraged to study the"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "Torah,"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "the biblical law, and the women are"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "encouraged to work and have lots of"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "children."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "And so, you can imagine"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "this 1940s,"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "you can imagine how [snorts] fast they"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "grow throughout the United States. Okay?"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "Uh and so, this is Rabbi Schneerson. And"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "we let's go into his psychology because"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "for most for most of his adult life,"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "he's he's been persecuted by the"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "authorities."}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "um his brother dies in the war. Uh Nazis"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "killed his brother. He he experienced"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "the Holocaust. He comes to America"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "and he becomes an ardent Zionist because"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "of of his association with Louis"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "Brandeis."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "the about Lubavitch is growing really"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "rapidly."}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> So, I think that if you're the Rebbe,"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "what you believe is you're on a mission"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "from God."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:03", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": ">> Cuz how else can you explain why you're"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "being persecuted and why you found some"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "some success in the United States? It's"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "the will of God. The persecution is to"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "test you to make you a true believer,"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "and this success is so that you can have"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "the power and authority to implement"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "God's vision"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "for the world, God's plan for the world."}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:24", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:24", "text": ">> All right?"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "Does that make sense?"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": ">> Of course. I mean, it it it it's"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "you can see the parallels with all kinds"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "of other cults. I mean, Heaven's Gate,"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "Scientology, it's very"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:34", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": ">> Yeah, my my my question though is it"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "does he actually believe this or is he"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "actually just using this as a a stunt to"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "get more power and more control over his"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "group?"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": ">> I think he believes this. Okay. So so"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "what what I want to what I want to what"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "I want I want to show you now is"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "how he goes and implements this vision,"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "okay? So he went into the"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "Jackson-Vanik Amendment, which allowed"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "Jews to immigrate to Israel, right?"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:04", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": ">> Why is this important? Because these"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "Jews, these Russian Jews, now make up"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "15% of the Israeli population."}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "who do they thank for being allowed to"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "go to Israel?"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "This guy."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "Right? Because it's he this guy who"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "promotes the Jackson-Vanik Amendment."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "So they're very thankful to him and they"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "believe he's actually the Messiah."}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:34", "text": ">> They believe he's Christ"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:35", "text": ">> or not Christ, but they they think he's"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "the Messiah."}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:37", "text": ">> Right? They're not they're not fans of"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "Christ."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": ">> Right right. So so [clears throat] so"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "this is the the Messiah"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:42", "text": ">> The Messiah"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": ">> Ben Ben David."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "Okay? So now what what I want to show"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "you is how he goes and builds a network"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "in order to implement his es-"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "eschatology, his messianic vi- vision,"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "okay? The first first video I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "show you is of him meeting Na-"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "Netanyahu. Okay? So Netanyahu in the"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "1980s, he is Israel's ambassador to the"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "United Nations. So he's he's in New"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "York, where Rabbi Schneerson is also in"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "New York. And so they become friends."}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "And Rabbi Schneerson encourages his"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "political career."}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "Okay? So so Steve, can you drop the the"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "video where"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "uh the first the first YouTube video I"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "sent you where Netanyahu"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "is talking to"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "Yeah, it should be this one, yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:30", "text": ">> Oh, no, there's another one."}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:31", "text": ">> Yeah, the first one."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "The first one. So, I I I want to show"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "you two, okay? So, this is him and this"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "is in the year 1990 when Netanyahu first"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "wins a seat in the Knesset, which is"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "basically Israel's parliament, okay? So,"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "I So, I I I want to show you this video."}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:46", "text": ">> Is there audio that we should hear?"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": ">> Yeah, there was audio, yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:49", "text": ">> Headphones would be better."}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": ">> I I I don't need the audio because"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "they're speaking Hebrew."}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:54", "text": ">> Oh, okay, we don't need the audio. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "got it."}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:56", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "But but we'll look look look at the"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "subtitles together, okay?"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "Okay, so they're good friends, okay?"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "I've seen a long time. Blessings succeed"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "in success, okay?"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "And this is New York City."}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": ">> A double portion of benediction. I came"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "to ask your blessing and help in"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "In all areas, both personal and"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "political. This is Bibi talking."}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:16", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": ">> Rabbi says, \"Since we last met, many"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "things have progressed.\""}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "Many things have progressed."}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "What hasn't changed, however, is that"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "Mashiach still hasn't The Messiah still"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "hasn't come. So, do something and hasten"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "the coming. \"We're doing. We're doing.\""}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "says Bibi. \"Apparently, it's not"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "enough.\" says the rabbi."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "\"Since many hours have already passed"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "today and he's still not here.\""}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "\"But there are still a few hours left in"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "the day."}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "So, try still for today."}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "Yes, good tidings."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "With joy and happiness.\""}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": ">> Okay, so this The year is 1990, okay?"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "And Netanyahu is like, \"I need your"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "help. All right, I need your blessing to"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "do well in Israeli politics.\" And the"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "rabbi is like,"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:05", "text": ">> \"The Messiah hasn't come.\""}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:07", "text": ">> hasn't come. Hurry it up, man, okay? All"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "right, so so so clearly this guy has a"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "plan and clearly he expects Netanyahu to"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "help him implement this plan, okay? So"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "So, now the next video I I want to show"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "you is Miriam and Sheldon Adelson going"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "to the Rebbe to ask for his blessing."}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "Okay, so can we can we drop drop that"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "video? Sheldon and Miriam Adelson asking"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "the Rebbe for And what year did this"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "happen? A year later. Is this also"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": ">> subtitled?"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": ">> Yes. Okay. Right. So this is year 1991."}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:34", "text": ">> What are they doing? Counting money?"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:35", "text": ">> No, no. It's it's blessing. Like I give"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "them all the bills as a blessing. I give"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "them all the bills as a um"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "double blessing."}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "Oh, sorry. Sorry. We we we probably need"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "need need audio for this."}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:44", "text": ">> We need audio. Okay."}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:46", "text": ">> Yeah, cuz now he's speaking in English."}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:46", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "All right. Hit it, Stevo."}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:46", "text": ">> I just want to show you what my secret"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "near dollar bills"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": ">> Oh, it's just the blessing. Like the"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "dollar represents a blessing. I give you"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "$2 bills, it's a double blessing."}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:53", "text": ">> That's so weird."}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "but I want to show you this because the"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "year is 1991. So this is a year after"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "Netanyahu comes and asked uh for Rebbe's"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "blessing. And now on the eve of the"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "wedding, Miriam and Sheldon Adelson"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "asked the Rebbe for his blessing."}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "Why is this important? Because who"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "finances Netanyahu's political career in"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "Israel is Sheldon Sheldon Adelson."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "Okay? Sheldon Adelson is going to spend"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "millions of dollars to buy up Israeli"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "media in order to support Netanyahu."}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "And what is"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "And so Netanyahu and Sheldon Adelson"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "both asked for Regev's blessing. It's on"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "YouTube, guys. You can just look at it"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "yourself. Is this all a coincidence?"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "Now Now also remember, Sheldon Adelson"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "is the one who financed Trump's"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "political career. 2016-2020,"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "Sheldon Adelson is the biggest financial"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "backer of Sheldon"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:47", "text": ">> Sheldon owned the Brooklyn Nets, right?"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "Or what What was the NBA team that he"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "owned? I think it was the Nets."}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": ">> Well, I'm not sure what team he owns,"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "but he basically controls Las Vegas."}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": ">> Right, but he also owned an NBA team. I"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "want to I want to I think I think I was"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "remembering that correctly."}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "Uh Just type in Sheldon Adelson NBA NBA"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "team."}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "This is probably not relevant, but this"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "is just for"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:10", "text": ">> Oh, man."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:12", "text": ">> Oh, the Mavericks. He owned the Dallas"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "Mavericks, okay."}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "So, is there any kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "with Sheldon"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "and Sheldon was not Israeli."}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "Right?"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:24", "text": ">> His wife is Israeli."}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:28", "text": ">> was He's not, right? He was not."}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": ">> Yeah, it's kind of strange, right? So,"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:31", "text": ">> It is very strange, yeah."}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:33", "text": ">> So, this is this is mainly a push by his"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "wife."}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": ">> Rupert Murdoch recently married um"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "recently remarried"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "to an Israeli woman."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:43", "text": ">> Did he really?"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": ">> Uh I think so, yeah. Can Can Can we"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "fact-check that, Steve? Rupert Murdoch's"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "new wife"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": ">> Yeah, type in Rupert Murdoch new wife."}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:51", "text": ">> Yeah. I think I think she's Israeli."}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": ">> Rupert Murdoch's current wife is uh"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "Elena Zhukova, a retired molecular"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "biologist. They married in June 2024 at"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "his Moraga vineyard estate in Bel Air,"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "California. This marks Murdoch's fifth"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "marriage."}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "It She's Jewish, I know that."}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "She's Jewish for sure."}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "No, it's"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "go down. Go down. Go down. It says is"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "she Russian?"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "Is a thing right there. Is Elena is a"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "good Russian? Click that."}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": ">> Yeah, she's Russian. Born in Moscow,"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "Soviet Union, now Russia and retired"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "molecular biologist of Russian Jewish"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "heritage."}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "Moved to the United States in 1991."}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "So she's a Russian Jew. Yeah, okay."}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:40", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:41", "text": ">> Right. About Lubavitch is also very big"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "in Russia, by the way."}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:42", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:43", "text": ">> Anyway, um"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:44", "text": ">> Anyway, so"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:48", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:50", "text": ">> So Sheldon Adelson finances the"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "political career of both"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "Donald Trump and Netanyahu."}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:55", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": ">> And these are the two people responsible"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "for the war in Iraq."}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:21:59", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:00", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "Now, I I want to show you another point"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "of convergence. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "investigative journalist Derek Bros"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "joins us now. Derek, great to have you"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "back on the show."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Thanks for having me back, Clayton."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> So, your new investigation, you know,"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "lots of focus, of course, on these flock"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "cameras. That is the story of the day."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "And then, of course, data centers that"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "are working handinand with these flock"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "cameras and, you know, capturing and"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "storing all of these massive video"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "files, of course. But your new"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "investigation has uncovered another"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "layer of the story that involves Peter"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Teal. It involves the surveillance"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "state. It involves the US border. And of"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "course, the concern about the US border"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "about having this sort of biometric"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "scanning at our border was all part of"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "the plan with the Trump administration"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "from the very beginning, it appears. So"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "maybe you can walk us through what"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "you've uncovered and why really no one"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "but you is talking about this part of"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "the story. and I wanted to give you the"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "floor to talk about this. So, the floor"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "is yours, my friend."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": ">> Thank you, Clayton. So, yeah, as you"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "said, there's lots of concern, I think"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "rightfully so, about flop cameras,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "automatic license plate readers, and"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "other types of surveillance, but there"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "hasn't been lately on the types of"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "surveillance that are rolling out in"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "relation to the fight against illegal"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "immigration. And I think no matter what"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "people's opinions on that particular"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "topic, you know, where they land on that"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "issue, I think people understand the"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "concerns about the increase of"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "militarization and surveillance not only"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "along the border because as we're going"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "to talk about here, it's not just at the"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "border and most people when they think"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "about um you know the border patrol,"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "ICE, uh they think about things that are"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "happening all along the Mexican border"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "for the most part. But as we know in the"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "post 911 era, the Customs and Border"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "Patrol believe that they have a 100mile"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "constitution free zone where they are"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "essentially allowed to do whatever they"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "want. And so I found this this latest"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "report from the Government"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "Accountability Office, the GAO, which"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "is, you know, fairly well known, I would"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "say, for those who are politicos and pay"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "attention to this stuff, but probably"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "the average person doesn't really know"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "about them. And they've been around for"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "decades. It's a essentially the auditing"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "department of the federal government"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "that puts out annual reports that"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "Congress is supposed to review."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "Sometimes they make no difference, but"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "nevertheless, the reports are out there"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "and they put out information that is"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "relevant to the average person if people"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "were only paying attention. And in this"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "latest report, they outline how we are"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "going to see a tripling of the number of"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "what are called automatic surveillance"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "towers along the border. They currently"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "sit about 800 and over the next uh seven"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "eight years we're going to see them"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "triple to nearly 3,000. And this is"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "largely coming from uh there was some"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "previous funding you know from the Biden"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "administration but it's largely coming"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "from the Trump's big bill that passed"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "last year. He loves to call it the big"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "beautiful bill. I have become in the"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "habit of calling it the big brother bill"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "because of these types of uh funding"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "that was included in it. And it included"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "massive increase of funding for not only"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "these surveillance towers but for more"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "automatic license plate readers along"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "the border and other things of this"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "sort. And as I said, it's not just about"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "uh people who are crossing in from"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "Mexico. It is the borders, you know, all"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "around the country all the way up to"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "Canada and on both coasts as well. And"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "if you think about that, if you think"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "about this concept of a constitution"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "free zone, which I think is should be"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "ruled unconstitutional if it ever makes"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "it to the Supreme Court. If you think"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "about that, that is such a broad land"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "mass that it absolutely includes"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "Americans living in different towns near"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "and close to the border. So when these"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "surveillance towers are being installed,"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "that means average people, law-abiding"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "people doing nothing but living their"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "lives are now being surveyed by these"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "towers, which they say are obstensively"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "about uh just, you know, looking for"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "illegal immigrants, but clearly are"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "doing more than that. They're able to"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "watch people as they go to school, as"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "they go to work, and as they live their"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "lives. And I think that's where it"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "starts to become more clear that from my"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "perspective, this is really about, you"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "know, really kind of expanding that"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "surveillance state. It's not just about"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "stopping illegal immigrants."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> So maybe you can walk me through some of"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "the technology here. They're called"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "Endural Towers. Is that am I pronouncing"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "that right?"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> Yeah. So Andrew is one of the main"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "companies who is contracting with the US"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "government for this and they've been"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "around you know for for years. 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So you know most of us are"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "familiar with names like Rathon and uh"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "Northrup Grum and those sort of old"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "school ones which are still around but"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "this is kind of the new class of"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "technocratic um military-industrial"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "complex contractors that want to become"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "that new wave. They want to be the ones"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "leading the charge and they really are"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "starting to do so and this is largely"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "because of their technology particularly"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "their artificial intelligence AI"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "technology and soil"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "they are not only the ones who are"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "providing these automatic surveillance"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "towers these but they're also providing"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "the AI software that goes along with"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "them it's called lattis and uh this"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "lattis technology is being used not only"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "by the border patrol but other"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "departments of the US government and"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "essentially it's it's you know it's the"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "next wave. It's saying this is not just"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "a camera because these cameras they have"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "radar, they have thermal, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "they're equipped to the max with all the"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "types of technology which in a perfect"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "world if you could trust government and"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "they genuinely were just trying to catch"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "people who are breaking the law and"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "sneaking over the fence. 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I I've seen"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "reports from years ago, which I think"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "are are now current, saying that their"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "goal was eventually to have these"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "cameras be powerful enough so that they"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "could see the person sitting in the back"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "seat and, you know, so they could see"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "right through the car, see the the"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "license plate, see the driver, and see"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "how many people are as clear as day, you"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "know, as clear as you and I are seeing"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "each other right now dozens and dozens,"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "hundreds of miles away. And so the AI"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "software is just making these tools even"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "more powerful. And I think that that"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "makes it even more worrisome, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Because now we're also Andrew is not"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "only partnering with uh Border Patrol on"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "this particular technology, but they're"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "also making autonomous drones. Their"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "first uh US-made, Ohiomade autonomous"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "drones recently rolled off the uh the"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "factory out of the factories a couple"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "months ago, and they've signed uh"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "contracts with the US Defense Department"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "for $200 million, I believe, was the"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "most recent one. So they are"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "increasingly becoming a major partner"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "with the US military, with the defense"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "department, and with the government in"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "and the border patrol."}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "So one of the big concerns about 6G"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "technology going forward is that it's"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "it's incredibly invasive. I mean, can"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "see through walls. President Trump"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "famously a few months ago was sort of"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "joking about but very excited about 6G"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "technology, its ability to sort of scan"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "through anything. Um"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "I imagine well I don't know I mean but"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "maybe you can talk more about the type"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "of scanning technology and tracking"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "technology how they're able to you know"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "what kind of thermal cameras what kind"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "of are they using some sort of a 5G or"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "6G"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "scanning technology that's able to see"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "right through cars and vehicles and"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "trucks."}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "I I didn't see anything specifically"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "mentioning 5G or 6G when describing this"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "technology, but I do believe that that'd"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "be a part of it because, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "actually produced a documentary on 5G"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "back in 2020 and trying to warn people"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "that the 5G networks and now the 6G"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "networks and eventually 7G even though"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "they're not talking about it yet. Um,"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "these are really the backbone for this"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "this uh world of the internet of things"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "and the internet of bodies that we know"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "that they're trying to build. And of"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "course force when they say that internet"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "of things they simply mean like on the"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "commercial level they mean your smart"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "fridge, your smart toaster, your"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "smartphone. All these sort of different"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "devices become interconnected and they"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "they create what they call the internet"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "of things. But at the same time, when we"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "get to the military level, 5G and 6G"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "really are the backbone for these"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "advanced technologies, absolutely"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "artificial intelligence and for"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "autonomous drones and for autonomous uh"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "vehicles of different types because in"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "order for those those technologies to"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "operate, they need to have these faster"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "networks and 5G and 6G has low latency,"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "which means there's the signals are um"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "extremely fast. But also along with"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "that, one of the major dangers and"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "concerns in terms of EMF exposure for"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "the average person is that they have to"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "install more towers everywhere for them"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "to operate. So, while they're promising"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "that this 5G 6G world is going to"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "include what Trump was describing, the"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "ability to be be able to see through"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "walls, which they already have"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "technology like that in other ways, um,"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "in order for them to have that capacity,"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "they're going to have to increase the"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "number of small cells and wireless"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "towers around the country, which Trump"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "has largely been a part of accelerating"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "under his first administration during"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "COVID before he left office and and in"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "this second term as well. So I wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "be surprised if the sort of backbone the"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "foundation of these automatic"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "surveillance towers and the way that"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "they're operating that they are"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "operating on 5G and 6G networks. I mean"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "how detrimental is f maybe we just I"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "mean this is like a sidebar question"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "here but how detrimental are these"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "technologies to our health? Um and how"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "invasive are they 5G? And then I, you"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "know, I'm really worried about what's"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "going to happen with 6G. And I have"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "anecdotal evidence from different people"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "I've interviewed who described"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "being near some of these 5G areas where"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "they're just like it feels like waves of"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "energy sort of hitting their bodies."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "Some people are susceptible to it or"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "more susceptible to it. I think"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> other people say, \"Oh, you're just"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "crazy. You're just crazy.\" And people"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "say, \"I can't sleep at night. There's"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "increased anxiety associated with this.\""}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "So maybe you could just speak to that a"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "little bit."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": ">> Sure. So there's definitely are people"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "who uh who report electromagnetic"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "sensitivities and I think it does impact"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "all of us to some degree but it it does"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "appear that some people are even more"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "sensitive and you know I I've friends"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "with some of these people they walk into"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "a room if there's Wi-Fi on or if"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "everybody's got a cell phone in their"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "pocket you know they'll start having"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "headaches and have to kind of rush out"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "of the room. So there are some people"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "who are more sensitive but even to the"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "average person the major problem with"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "the expansion of 5G and 6G and so forth"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "compared to the previous technologies"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "just so everybody understands when we're"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "saying 5G it just means fifth generation"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "so if you go back to the early 90s that"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "was 1G the first generation of early"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "phones cares these sorts of things and"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "every four to five years they the cell"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "phone companies and the government"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "they'll kind of move to the next"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "frequencies um the next spectrum and so"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "you get 2G G 3G is about the time we"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "start getting smartphones, 4G, you start"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "getting video downloads and pictures and"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "that stuff. So, it's just continued to"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "advance and it will eventually get to 7"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "8G etc. because the technologies"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "continue to accelerate. The major"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "problem with the shift from 5G to 6G and"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "4G to 5G and and so forth, is what I"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "mentioned before is that they have to"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "increase the number of towers. And so"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "when I was back in Houston and I was"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "trying to raise awareness to this"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "because Houston, a lot of people don't"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "know but Houston, Texas back in 2018,"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "October 2018, the CEO of Verizon, he"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "came to Houston and him and the mayor"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "and the other officials, they had this"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "big press conference and they announced"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "that Houston was having the first the"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "world's first 5G customer and they uh a"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "5G network into this couple's home and"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "they made a big deal about it and I was"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "there at the press conference and I"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "asked both of them, can you tell us, you"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "know, what are the"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "pleaded ignorance. But the fact is that"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "there have been been reputable and"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "credible studies going back to the '9s"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "and court cases uh where people have"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "tried to sue the telecoms related to"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "people who were in the early 90s and"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "didn't think cell phones were any, you"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "know, any problem. You know, those big"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "old phones people used to have in the"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "early days if you were businessmen."}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "People were using those against their"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "head for, you know, hours and hours a"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "day because it was the latest"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "technology. And many of those folks did"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "get brain tumors and have since tried to"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "sue the cell phone companies. There's"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "one case in fact that has been going on"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "for 20 years now and it still has not uh"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "reached a verdict and the man who"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "originally sued he's now dead from the"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "brain tumor but his family is continuing"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "to fight that case. So there has long"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "been you know rumors and whispers about"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "cell phones causing harm and of course"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "big wireless the telecoms uh one of the"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "biggest lobbies of telecoms is called"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "the CTIA uh the cellular telephone"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "internet agency and they've been around"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "since the 90s. The more you look into"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "them, you start to see that big wireless"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "funds much of the major media. They have"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "partnerships with the New York Times,"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "with Washington Post, Verizon. Uh you"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "look at the FCC, Federal Communications"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "Commission, like for example, Brendan"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "Carr, who I know you've talked about on"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "the program, Brendan Carr, Aget Pi, some"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "of these officials, they're all former"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "lawyers for Verizon Wireless for AT&T."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "So those are the people that are"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "supposed to oversee these networks. And"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "so you can go back much like with the"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "vaccine conversation in and uh 1996 the"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "telecommunications act. They passed that"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "telecommunications act saying that local"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "bodies, so your town, your city council,"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "your state even, has no ability to make"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "rules related to health regulations. So"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "you can argue and say you don't like the"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "way it looks and they'll make it look"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "like a a tree for you or they'll turn it"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "into, you know, a fake cactus or"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "something like that. But you're not"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "allowed to go to the federal government,"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "to your local government. and believe"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "me, I've tried and say, \"I have health"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "concerns.\" Even if they believed you,"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "the law, according to 1996, as well as"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "recent uh rules that have been passed"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "under the second Trump administration"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "essentially make it illegal for anybody"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "to even argue that there are health"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "impacts because as far as they're"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "concerned, that's just, you know, that's"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "garbage science. There's no truth to it."}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "But I encourage everybody who wants to"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "know more about this to look into Dr."}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "Martin Paul, PL L. I interviewed him for"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "my documentary, The 5G Trojan horse. And"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "he is one of the leading voices speaking"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "out about the impacts of 5G, as well as"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "Bluetooth as well as Wi-Fi. And so, you"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "know, here at my house, like I'm"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "speaking to you right now, I'm wired in."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "I'm not on Wi-Fi. We unplug our thing,"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "our, you know, our networks every night"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "before bed. I I do take it pretty"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "seriously, and it it can mess with your"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "sleep. And of course, as probably many"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "people hearing this know, if you don't"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "get proper sleep, your body can't heal."}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "Your, you know, your organs, everything"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "can't uh repair and get you to an"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "optimal state. Well, when you're"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "constantly being hit by, you know,"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "either your cell phone next to your head"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "trying to connect to the tower or the"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "Wi-Fi network running all night, that"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "does cause disturbances in your sleep."}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "And there's so many other areas. But"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "the, you know, the major concern is that"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "as they build these 5G and 6G networks,"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "they're going to need to install towers."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "In their own words, according to the"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "FCC, this is not my my uh claim. In"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "their own words, every two to 500 feet,"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "they have to install new towers or they"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "put them on existing towers, what are"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "called small cells, which are about the"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "size of a backpack. And uh they they're"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "claiming they're going to have to have"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "like 500,000 plus of them in the next"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "few years in order for these 5G networks"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "to operate. And and that's essentially,"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "Clayton, like that's something we've"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "never seen before. Like we're we're"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "going like just rapid exponential growth"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "in a way that human beings have never"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "been exposed to. So, it pretty much is a"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "live experiment."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> I have so much more I want to talk to"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "you about. I want to talk about not just"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "the border because to me that's just the"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "Trojan horse you mentioned, but really"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "what's going to happen into these other"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "communities and the the Americans that"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "live near these border towns like how"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "much of they how much of what they're"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "doing is being surveiled as well being"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "caught in this sort of drag net. What is"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "going to happen with this data? And I"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "want to go even more deeply into this"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "idea of these like little 5G networks"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "setting up all along the street and 6G"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "as well. So just uh we're going to take"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "a quick pause and we'll be right back"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "with our friend Derek Bros."}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": ">> This is a paid advertisement for Rumble"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "Wallet. They are sponsoring this ad. And"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "if you want to directly talk to us, you"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "can use Rants using Rumble Wallet."}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "Rumble rants. 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So again,"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "that's wallet.rumble.com/redacted."}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": ">> All right, we're back with investigative"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "journalist Derek Bros, his new piece"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "about the Peter Tealf funded company um"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "that's putting up all of these"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "autonomous surveillance towers along the"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "US Mexico border. So you the plan"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "according to your reporting is roughly"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "2,300 towers by the year 2034."}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "I mean this it sounds more like a"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "because you see the wide open wall. You"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "know you've seen the videos being shared"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "on social media over the past few days"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "where there's just like wide open border"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "wall people just could walk through it."}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "I think that maybe that's part of the"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "plan. So we're building like an it seems"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "like an AI surveillance wall instead of"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "an actual physical border wall. Is that"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "what And Americans were promised like a"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "physical border wall."}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:12", "text": ">> That's absolutely part of the plan. And"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "this is sometimes it's been referred to"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "as a virtual wall, a biometric wall, a"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "digital wall. And this is an idea that"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "both Trump and Joe Biden were uh a part"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "of of expanding. You know, this goes"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "back to I think in my uh in my piece we"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "include from Trump back in his first"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "administration where he talks about"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "this. I mean, this is the thing is for"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "anybody who was paying attention to him,"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "he didn't make any of this secret. He"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "said, \"We're going to have a biometric"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "entry and exit system. We'll have it by"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "air, by land, by sea.\" And so, he had"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "been saying this for a long time that"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "this was something that he was going to"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "do. And then during the Biden"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "administration, we saw many of these"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "same technologies and the same expansion"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "of using surveillance tools like facial"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "recognition cameras, automatic"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "surveillance towers, license plate"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "readers, etc. Instead of building a"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "physical wall, which is what, as you as"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "you point to, Clayton, I think many"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "people believed um was going to happen."}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "And instead there's just, you know, like"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "you said, there's these open spots where"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "clearly they're not trying that hard on"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "this whole physical wall front which"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "then creates sort of a problem reaction,"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "a classic problem reaction solution,"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "right? That people see that, oh my god,"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "look, the borders are wide open. Why has"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "nobody do anything about this? Well,"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "they proposed their solution. Let's put"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "surveillance towers all along the"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "border. Let's put uh more tracking"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "equipment and facial recognition and"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "these sorts of things. Oh, by the way,"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "these extend further than just the"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "border. we can actually see you even if"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "you're 20 miles from the border or 50"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "miles and so forth. And I think this is"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "another example for me of how this sort"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "of baton of tyranny gets passed back and"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "forth between one part and the other. Of"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "course, lots of people were concerned"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "about the border during uh Joe Biden"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "administration. He was helping expand"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "the this type of technology and then"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "Trump comes back into office promising"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "to fix it. Well, the way he's fixing it,"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "as I mentioned earlier, the big"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "beautiful bill allocated billions of"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "dollars towards this project, towards in"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "creating more surveillance towers and"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "towards doing, I think it was $2.5"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "billion to ICE for AI systems and $30"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "billion for so-called digital"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "modernization efforts, which includes"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "biometric systems, AI. So, it's it's all"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "about creating that virtual that digital"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "uh wall. And I will say even during"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "Biden's administration, there was, if I"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "remember correctly, 20 or 40 different"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "organizations that sent a letter to the"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "Biden administration. Not that these"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "letters make much of a difference, but"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "they sent a letter and they said, you"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "know, you're continuing, they literally"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "told him, you are continuing Trump's"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "policies. We are calling on you to end"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "these biometric measures, end these"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "sorts of things. It didn't have any"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "impact. Biden went forward with it and"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "then Trump picked up the, you know,"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "picked it up and continued on with his"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "big beautiful big brother bill. And uh"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "and yeah, so I mean that to me is what"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "the ultimate goal is. And and I would"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "think I'm sure we'll see some comments"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "there and sometimes I think maybe people"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "think it's silly and a kind of a jokey"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "thing. They'll say, \"Oh, the the cameras"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "or the walls aren't meant to keep people"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "out. They're meant to keep us in.\" I"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "don't think that's so much of a joke. It"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "seems like that feels like maybe that is"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "part of the purpose. Not only to sure it"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "might have the impact of catching some"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "illegal immigrants trying to sneak"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "through, but it will also have the"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "impact of furthering the surveillance"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "police state that we know is being built"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "in the United States,"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": ">> right? Because how many how many"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "law-abiding Americans"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "are going to be caught up in this sort"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "of data detection drag net? I mean,"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "that's that's the concern. And so, this"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "is not just to me at the border. this is"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "going to start to spill further and"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "further and further into the United"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "States. They'll they'll pitch it as"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "we're able to stop all of these things"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "and now we're going to bring this sort"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "of like a pre-rime network into the"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "United States. So maybe you can talk"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "about some of the border towns near"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "these cameras. So it's not just a wall,"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "it's not just a zone, it's it's I"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "imagine it would affect the the the"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "small towns that live right along this"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "border, right?"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:55", "text": ">> Absolutely. And you know, as somebody I"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "so I live in Mexico. I'm in central"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "Mexico right now speaking to you. But my"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "family is in Houston, Texas. And so I"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "cross back every 3 to four months or so"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "to visit family. And actually, while I"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "was doing this reporting, I found out"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "that the town that I cross through uh"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "which is called uh the Anzel Dwis port"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "and bridge. And on one side you have"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "Maccallen uh far a couple other small"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "Texas towns. And then on the other side"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "you have Reosa on the Mexican side. And"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "I found out that uh that port that I've"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "been crossing, that bridge that I've"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "been crossing was one of the first uh"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "first uh crossings to start testing out"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "facial recognition cameras over the last"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "few years. And I had noticed when we"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "crossed through that there's a a sign,"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "you know, if you if you happen to catch"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "it that says if you're in lane one or"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "two, you're going to be subject to"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "facial recognition. if you want to avoid"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "it, you got to try to get all the way"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "over, you know, and and as anybody who's"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "crossed the borders know how busy they"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "can be and how difficult it can be to"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "try to cross over five lanes of busy"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "traffic and and also in their eyes,"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "maybe if you want to avoid the facial"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "recognition, that makes you more"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "suspicious to them, right? So, um that"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "was an interesting piece of the puzzle"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "to find out that I've been crossing"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "through one of these areas where they're"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "testing out this technology. But"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "absolutely lots of these smaller border"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "towns in Texas and even some bigger"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "places like Laredo um McAllen you have"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "all those towns along there they are"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "being kind of subject to this and this"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "is this has been I think a subject of"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "concern for for years where folks in the"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "border towns anytime you're near a"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "border town in Texas or any other"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "Arizona New Mexico etc you're very"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "likely to see a Customs and Border"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "Patrol agent driving around or going out"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "to get coffee or something and nothing"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "against them, but the fact of the matter"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "is because these towns are so close to"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "the border, those agents essentially"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "have cart blanch to do whatever they"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "want. You know, they're supposed to be a"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "federal agency where their only"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "jurisdiction is on the border. And when"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "I think of the border, I think about"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "you're looking at the Rio Grande and"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "you're physically at the border. But"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "because of this constitution free zone,"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "which has continued to expand over the"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "last decades, they they could pretty"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "much pull over anybody even though"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "you're even though you're 20, 30, 40"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "miles away from the border. And in fact,"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "when I cross into Texas, I go through"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "the US border, show them my passport,"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "and then we continue on. But within"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "about 30, 40 minutes away from the"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "border, there's another checkpoint,"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "which as far as I'm concerned is"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "unconstitutional. They have another"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "checkpoint. They're well away from the"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "border, but anybody who's driving"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "through there is subject to it, and"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "you're pretty much, you know, there's no"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "way around it. The road takes you"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "straight up there, and it's not always a"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "huge hassle. They just say, \"Are you an"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "American citizen?\" and check your"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "passport. But again, that was a big part"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "of the reason for the Constitution in"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "the Fourth Amendment, that we weren't"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "supposed to be stopped and have our"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "papers checked, you know, just as we're"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "traveling around. But the US government"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "argues that because of the national"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "security concerns related to the border,"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "that that takes precedence over our"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "rights. And so, if you live in a border"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "town, these are kind of normal things."}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "being subject to surveillance and not"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "really knowing if you're being watched"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "because there's some, you know, virtual"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "wall nearby your home or potentially"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "being harassed or bothered by some"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "border patrol agent, some customs agent"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "because they think you might look"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "suspicious, things like that. So for"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "people who've been living in border"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "towns, this is probably pretty normal to"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "them at this point."}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": ">> What does Peter Teal say about this"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "technology?"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": ">> I mean, I think that he he thinks this"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "this is the wave of the future. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "this is why he's investing in in"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "companies like Anderil. This is another"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "one of his big pet projects. Uh, I think"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "from the beginning, I I don't remember"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "if I put the the numbers in there, but"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "he invested it through his other one of"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "his funds called the Founders Fund,"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "which is one of his main vehicles to"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "investing in big companies like this."}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "And uh, this is just to me, it's just a"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "sign of like the the Peter Teal"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "influence. I know we've talked about"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "this on past episodes. I've done um"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "reports on the number of Peter Teal"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "affiliates and associates, I call them"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "acolytes, who are in the second Trump"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "administration, and it's at this point"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "in the 20s of different people in"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "different admin different positions. But"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "then there's people like and there's"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "companies like Anderil who are not"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "officially part of the government, but"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "they're contractors with the government."}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "And so I think this is exactly why Peter"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "Thiel funds these companies because he"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "knows that they're going to be the way"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "of the future, that their AI technology"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "is going to be very powerful. And now"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "that he happens to be, you know, his his"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "mentor JD Vance is vice president,"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "right? I mean, that that just shows you"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "how far up his reach has gone, um Trump"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "and him don't have as much of a public"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "relationship as they used to, but I"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "would not doubt that behind the scenes"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "there's still a lot of communication"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "there. And uh and yeah, so I think this"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "is perfectly in line with what his"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "vision is, which is the technocratic"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "vision of using technology to"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "micromanage society. And a big part of"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "that is AI that they want AI to be that"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "particularly their AIs to be in charge"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "and to be running the show. And I kind"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "of touched on this briefly earlier, but"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "one of the other major concerns with"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "this type of technology, especially as I"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "mentioned that uh Andrew has recently, I"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "think it's called the YFQ"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "44A model. Really rolls off the tongue."}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "It's an autonomous drone known as the"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "Fury, uh recently started being produced"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "in Ohio. And so as I said, autonomous"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "drone, just like we have autonomous"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "surveillance towers, that means it's not"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "being operated by a human being. That"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "means it's being operated by artificial"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "intelligence. Now, they're not at the"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "point where that artificial"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "intelligence, as far as we know, is"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "being the one to decide kill that human,"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "take, you know, kill that target. There"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "still is, as far as we're told, a human"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "being that has to come in and say, okay,"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "you know, shoot that missile or"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "whatever, what have you. But these"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "drones are autonomously flying around"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "and they are starting to roll off the"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "the factory lines in Ohio and that is"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "coming directly from Andre and of course"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "Andreal is just one of these companies"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "but that is why Peter Teal uh Mark Andre"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "a lot of these other technocrats are"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "investing these companies because I"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "think this serves their purpose of"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "trying to build a world where um you"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "know the voters don't really have power"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "the politicians really have less and"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "less power the business class has less"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "power and instead it is these"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "technocrats these engineers these"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "so-called experts using their"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "technological tools to micromanage"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "society. And I think we can all kind of"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "understand how scary of a world it'll be"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "if these people get their wish to have"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "autonomous drones and autonomous towers"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "making life and death uh decisions."}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:06", "text": ">> Do you think the technocrats are really"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "who are running the United States of"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "America?"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:12", "text": ">> I definitely think they're they're a big"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "piece of the puzzle at the moment. I"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "mean, and they also happen to be strong"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "Zionists as we know with Peter Teal,"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "Alex Karp, like these these folks,"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "Palunteer and others. They've put out"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "open letters just saying that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "Peter Teal said he doesn't think it's"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "his job to question the Israeli"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "government. And so, I think that the"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "technocrats are partnered with the"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "Zionists, uh, Cabal, as well as other"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "different groups. You know, in the"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "pyramid of power, I my documentary"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "series and book, I really tried to look"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "at who are who are the they that are at"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "the top, right? And from my perspective,"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "I think it's a bit more complex than"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "people might want it to be and just say,"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "well, it's just this one group. It's"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "just the Jews or it's just the Jesuits"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "or it's just the Masons. I think it's a"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "it's a round table of round tables at"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "the top. And so you have different"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "groups with different interests, much of"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "which often align and sometimes, you"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "know, differ, but a hundred times out of"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "a hundred, they're going to choose to"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "align with each other if it means to"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "maintain their power over the rest of"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "us. And so I definitely modern-day"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "technocrats like the Elon Musk and Peter"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "Teals and Alex Karps and so many others"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "we could name who are unelected who use"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "their wealth, their influence and their"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "technology to shape the world around us"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "whether we want it or not. And you could"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "talk about Bill Gates and geoengineering"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "programs and stuff like that. They are"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "the modern-day technocrats and the"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "original technocrats of the 1930s that's"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "what their dream was. They said they"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "were going to use the machines which I"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "think we would call artificial"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "intelligence today to micromanage"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "society. They talked about things like"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "energy credits. They talked about being"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "able to micromanage society and allocate"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "resources for specific states and"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "countries. And um I believe we've talked"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "about this as well previously. You can"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "look at the original 1930s technocrat uh"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "technocratic map and it describes the"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "US, Canada, Mexico, Venezuela,"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "Greenland, all becoming one massive land"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "mass known as the North American"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "Technate. And it just so happens to be"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "that those are the places that Trump has"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "been talking a lot about since he's come"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "back into office about wanting to take"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "Greenland, maybe purchasing Canada,"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "going, you know, of course into"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "Venezuela and things like that. So I"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "really think that what we're witnessing"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "is just a sort of modern revival or a"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "continuence of the original technocratic"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "vision."}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:19", "text": ">> So stay right there, Derek, because I"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "want to talk more about the data"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "collection piece of this, where that"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "data is going, what modeling are they"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "putting together? 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Call them at 888-446312."}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "Again, you can call them or go to"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "brightcore.com/redacted."}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "Make sure you use the code redacted."}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:19", "text": ">> All right, we are back with"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "investigative journalist Derek Bros"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "talking about this Peter Teal funded"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "company uh Anderil which is tripling the"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "number of autonomous surveillance towers"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "along the US Mexico border, but it"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "really is just a Trojan horse for what's"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "going to roll out around the rest of the"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "United States. Can you talk more about"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "these autonomous drones? So, I I've seen"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "videos of these things sort of landing"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "on top of these different towers. they"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "sort of land, recharge, do what they're"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "going to do, then take off."}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "You know, are there human beings or is"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "it purely AI that's running these drone"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "systems? And what sort of data are they"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "capturing? And then is that data then"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "being stored, I imagine, through some"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "data center, some sort of AWSbacked"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "Palunteer data center and some of my own"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "reporting a few weeks ago, speaking to"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "sources at Amazon who told me that, you"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "know, AWS of course is providing the"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "back-end infrastructure for Palunteer."}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "Um and you know and a lot of this uh"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "Palunteer buildout data center stuff um"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "they have their own modeling on top but"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "really all of this data is being"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "captured and uh they need that's why"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "this massive expansion is happening."}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "They need places to store it whether"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "it's video files or others. Maybe you"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "can just talk a little bit more about"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "these drones. What do they look like?"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "Have Americans already seen them flying"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "over their homes? What sort of things"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "are they capturing? It's it's"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "terrifying."}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "Yeah, there's definitely I think these"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "uh types of autonomous drones already"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "over American cities. They are not, I"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "would say, making the calls in terms of"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "um you know, launching missiles just"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "yet, at least not over American skies,"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "but they definitely are operating have"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "been operating that way in in the Middle"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "East. Now, as far as we know, uh there"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "is still a kind of protocol where a"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "human being, you know, let's say a"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "general or something has to come in and"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "make the final call in those situations"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "and say, \"Okay, let's go ahead and"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "launch that missile from this predator"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "drone.\" But increasingly, they are being"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "u run purely on AI. And this is kind of"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "the dream is like that if you don't have"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "to pay an AI, a human being to sit there"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "and play with the joystick and"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "potentially make mistakes, if you just"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "have an AI that can run 24/7, 365, well"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "that's one less person you have to pay."}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "And they believe they will be eventually"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "uh more precise than human beings,"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "right? And and in some ways, I think"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "this is going to be proposed as a"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "solution to the outcry we've witnessed"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "over the years where people have said,"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "\"Well, look at this drone strike. It"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "killed some innocent civilians.\" or look"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "at this missile for example with the"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "Iranian school girls, right? Well, those"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "are the sort of perfect test cases where"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "the government, the military could come"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "in and say, \"Look, we admit, we"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "acknowledge we've made some mistakes,"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "but this AI is testing at 99.9%, you"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "know, accuracy,\" which none of them are."}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "Um, and so we're going to hand over the"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "job to these art, these autonomous"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "drones. There will still be a human"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "being, you know, watching and witnessing"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "whatever, maybe making the final call."}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "But, uh, I think this is this is really"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "a dangerous world we're going into. And"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "if people want to know what these drones"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "look like, at least one of the ones, the"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "ones I mentioned with Andreil, look up"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "Andre, look up the Fury. I mean, they"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "are not very big. Uh, if you've seen a"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "Predator drone, which is kind of more"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "long and cylinder. This one is kind of"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "more of a triangular shape. And there's"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "a few different designs that they have"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "out there. Um, I don't think they are"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "flying over American cities just yet. I"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "mean, that's as far as what they're"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "publicly admitting, right? who knows"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "what might be a bit more covert or under"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "the table. But uh that is definitely the"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "dream for them that that they say that"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "these drones are going to be able to fly"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "over American cities to catch criminals"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "to monitor for illegal activity. 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And so years"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "ago when I started investigating that"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "and how the police and different law"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "enforcement agencies were using these"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "cells sight simulators which are"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "sometimes known as stingrays, I learned"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "about the the ones they have in planes"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "that they already had planes flying over"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "American cities that were being remotely"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "controlled and these planes were"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "outfitted with a Stingray but and the"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "planes they call them DRTs and they were"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "a bit bigger and basically they could"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "fly over American cities and just fly"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "these patterns and you could track them"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "using you know flight tracking websites."}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "people were able to locate and say,"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "\"This is a remote controlled plane. It's"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "not flying, you know, from an airport."}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "It's just flying back and forth all day"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "just running these different um these"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "different pathways.\" And in the process,"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "they're scooping up all kinds of datas."}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "Now, the the police and the military may"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "claim that, well, these are u these are"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "classified operations. 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But as we talked about"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "previously in our conversation about"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "data centers, the other missing piece"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "that a lot of people I don't think are"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "fully grasping yet is that the reason"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "the data centers are rapidly expanding"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "is because of the rapid expansion of"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "data collection related to surveillance"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "tools. So you've got flock cameras, you"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "got facial recognition, you got"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "stingrays, you've got automatic"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "surveillance towers, uh you've got just"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "basic internet data collection and cell"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "phone data collection. All these things"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "combined to be a whole bunch of data"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "that needs to be stored somewhere and it"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "is going to these data centers, these"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "data centers where then that data is"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "analyzed and um and puts out reports by"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "artificial intelligence that goes out to"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "say a law enforcement agency or to a"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "private company. Some of it may be"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "innocuous and they're just trying to"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "sell you more ads because they notice"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "you drive the same, you know, the same"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "pathway every day to work and they"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "notice they could sell you an ad for the"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "local McDonald's that's on your way or"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "something like that. But in the worst"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "case scenario, it is information that's"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "being gathered about us being collected"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "and stored and then analyzed. And I"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "think the big concern that I know my"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "colleague Whitney Webb and others have"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "warned about for years is that we end up"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "in a minority report type future where"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "something you've done in the past could"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "then later be used against you in the"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "future. Right? So maybe you're doing"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "something now that isn't illegal. you're"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "saying something that's not illegal or"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "not hate speech. But then in the future"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "after that data has been collected and"}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "then analyzed by some autonomous AI"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "later on they come back and say hey well"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "10 years ago we have information here"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "data stored that shows that you did X Y"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "and Z and that is now a crime so we're"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "going to hold that against you. It might"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "sound crazy to some people to imagine"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "that but I don't think we're that far"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "off from that. Well, you have different"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "organizations like the Frontier um the"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "Electronic Frontier Foundation, which as"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "you write in your piece, says this is"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "like a dumpster fire of human rights,"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "like this data collection. But other"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "groups as well, um civil liberties"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "groups of course have come out and said"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "this is a violation of civil liberties."}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "Others are saying this is definitely"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "even members of Congress saying this is"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "a violation of the Fourth Amendment or"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "Fourth Amendment rights, illegal search"}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "and seizure, unreasonable searches. So,"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "I mean, I'm not asking you to be a"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "constitutional attorney, but do we have"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "any rights? Are we able to fight back on"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "a large scale and sue these people out"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "of existence, whether it's Flock or"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "these other companies who are gathering"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "up my personal data based on my"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "movements? Oh, Clayton likes to go get a"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "coffee at this place on a regular basis,"}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "and he travels this way, and now we have"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "all of this data that we're collecting,"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "and he didn't"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "He didn't allow us to collect this data."}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "It just he happens to be on a public"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "street."}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:53", "text": ">> Yeah, this is concerning to me. This is,"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "I think, one of the You don't have to be"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "a constitutional attorney, I'd say, to"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "understand how dangerous this is"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "getting. I did a recent report um on the"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "border as well related to a separate"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "issue, but it's it's uh it's related"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "here, and that is about the rights or"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "lack of rights we as Americans have when"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "it comes to our cell phones. And so"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "there was another court case that"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "confirmed that according to the the"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "government and to the courts, what they"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "believe is that the Border Patrol agents"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "have a right to go through your phone uh"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "without a warrant. They said that this"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "is considered to be routine and"}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "reasonable and protected under the"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "Fourth Amendment. Uh the ruling"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "specifically said that if they want to"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "do what's called a forensic search,"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "which is where they take your phone,"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "let's say you're flying in from across"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "the border or from another country or"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "you're driving across and for whatever"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "reason they suspect you or they want to"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "bother you, they say, \"We need to go"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "through your phone.\" Now, most people"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "would probably think, \"Hey, hey, Fourth"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "Amendment Constitution, you don't have a"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "warrant.\" It doesn't matter. They're"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "going to sit there and laugh in your"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "face and say, \"We're the feds. We're the"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "Border Patrol. We're, you know, we have"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "this this right. Give me your phone or"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "we'll basically take it from you.\" Now,"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "the the courts have ruled that if they"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "do what's called a forensic search,"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "where they take your phone and they"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "basically connect it to this device that"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "then downloads everything on your uh"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "your phone, that they need a warrant for"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "that. But if they're just doing a manual"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "search, which means taking your phone"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "and holding you and detaining you until"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "you give them your password and then let"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "them look through your phone,"}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "routine and reasonable and thus allowed"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "under the Fourth Amendment. So the the"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "reality is that Americans increasingly"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "have less and less rights as it relates"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "to the border because again the"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "government will argue that national"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "security concerns and the need to secure"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "the border trump your uh fourth"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "amendment and your constitutional"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "rights."}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "I"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": ">> I mean they're just stripping away our"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "rights left, you know, left, right, and"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "center. and we're sort of blindly"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "walking like sheep into the slaughter, I"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "think, right now. Um, you know, I was"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "struck by all of the the folks from"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "England that came over for the World Cup"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "in the United States and they were"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "posting videos about they can't believe,"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "oh my gosh, we and you know, we in the"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "UK, we've become so soft. They they took"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "away our guns. They've taken away our"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "rights. Like, these Americans are"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "strong. like eh we're we're we're very"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "quickly slipping and losing all of that."}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "Um and we're just allowing it. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "do you think I mean what we're seeing"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "right now at the border is really"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "uh sort of just the test bed. It's like"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "the petri dish."}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:29", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:31", "text": ">> For this?"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": ">> Absolutely. I mean, I think we're we're"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "one false flag event away from them"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "expanding this to the entire United"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "States. like right now it's a 100 miles"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "uh and and just I encourage anybody in"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "fact in my article I include a little"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "map that came from the ACLU where they"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "show what a 100 miles within the border"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "looks like and you can see the major"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "cities that includes Houston, Baton"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "Rouge that includes uh lots of includes"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "LA, San Diego, San Francisco, Santa"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:57", "text": "Cruz, Portland, Boston, New York City,"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "Philly, Baltimore, Washington DC,"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "Chicago all of those major cities are"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "within that 100 mile constitution free"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "zone because it's not just the Mexican"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "border as I said it's from the coast."}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "from the Canadian border. So when you"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "look at that red line tracing around"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "there and even in Alaska includes"}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "Anchorage down to Miami, that includes"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "all of those major American cities. So"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "if something was to happen, whether real"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "or staged, and that they said it"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "happened because somebody snuck in"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "through the border or something else,"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "then I would not doubt there would be"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "politicians, you know, in a race to see"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "who could call for erasing the"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "Constitution, not only within that 100"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "mile zone, but deep into the heartland"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "of America. And uh it it wouldn't take"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "much for them to strip that away. And"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "and as we know very well, Clayton, that"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "fear is a powerful motivator. And if"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "they can scare the crap out of people"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "and to them thinking that uh well"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "terrorists are out to get them or"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "domestic terrorists or whatever they"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "want to call it, then maybe they blame"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "it on the Iranians probably, you know,"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "that then there would be people who"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "would probably be supportive of this"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "just like we saw after 911. And I want"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "to believe as we approach the 25th"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "anniversary of 911 that more and more"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "people have woken up to this agenda and"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "that these threats don't work as well as"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "they they used to. And I think partially"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "that's true. But again, I do think fear"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "is a powerful motivator. And with the"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "right false flag event or staged event,"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "they could they could get enough"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "Americans demanding that something be"}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "done. Something must be done. And yes,"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "if that means I must give up some of my"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "freedoms in order to feel safe again,"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "then please do it by all means. Do we"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "have any rights to be able to reach out"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "to these companies and say, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "whatever data you have collected on me,"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "I want it all deleted.\""}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "Well, this is one of the other major"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "problems with this uh outsourcing of"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "what used to be government uh tasks for"}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "example surveillance and the governments"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "protecting the border and things like"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "that is that the more they are"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "outsourcing these tasks to private"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "companies so-called private companies I"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "say so-called because as you know many"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:53", "text": "of them like Palunteer they received"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "their seed funding from the CIA's uh"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "venture capital firm Inqutel and they"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "also are getting subsidies and things"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "like that so it's kind of hard to say"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "they're totally private. it. But the"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "more they outsource to these firms, that"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "means it becomes difficult for the"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "average person to get that data. Because"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "if this was just purely being done,"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "let's say that these surveillance towers"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "were being uh produced, created, and ran"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "by border patrol and by their own AI"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "software. That means that you and I"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "could file FOYAS. We could file open"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "records requests and say, you know, give"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "us more details. And instead since this"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "is a private company that is running the"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "AI that is running these uh these"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "programs it becomes a lot more difficult"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "and almost impossible because you can't"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "foyer a private company you can't foyer"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "palunteer you can't foyer and drill so I"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "think that's another reason that we're"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "seeing this kind of this merger of the"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "public and the the private so that it"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "becomes more and more difficult for"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "people like us and journalists and"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "activists to find out what's exactly"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "happening. Well, we can't foyer them,"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "but maybe we can just sue them. Some"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "massive class action lawsuit. Of course,"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "you know, how far does that go? They"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "have uh"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:01", "text": ">> Well, if there's some some whistleblower"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "out there, whistleblower out there that"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "wants to reveal and let us know, then"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "that could open the door because if we"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "were able to find out, hey, here's all"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "the ways that they've been using and"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "abusing your data, yeah, sure enough,"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "that could open up to a class action"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "lawsuit. So, you know, shout out to"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "anybody working in Andreal with a"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "conscience."}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:18", "text": ">> Yeah, please reach out to Derek. You"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "know where to find him. American"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "Vagabond. You can find Derek on Twitter"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "easily on X. You can find us here at"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "Redacted pretty easily. So, any"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "whistleblowers who want to come forward,"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:30", "text": "we'd love to talk with you about that."}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "Um, I want to take a quick pause and"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "then get you out of here on this next"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "segment, but I do want to talk about the"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "Trojan horse of these items that are"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "sort of the internet of things that are"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "in our house. And I did touch on it"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "earlier, but I wanted to follow up on"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "this 5G and then 6G technology and these"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "little towers that I believe are going"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "to be like in all of our houses. um you"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "know, not just these massive towers, but"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "these small little sort of phento cells"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "that'll be set up inside of our houses."}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "I want to talk about that in a second."}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "Um so, we'll just take a quick pause"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:00", "text": ">> Have you ever looked at the day's big"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "investment stories and wished that you"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "got in earlier? Maybe it was AI or"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "SpaceX. It seems like every time you"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "find out someone's talking about it,"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "it's too late for you to get in and make"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "money. But what if the next opportunity"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "isn't the headline, it's what's making"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "the headlines possible? I'm talking"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "about silver. Silver is a critical"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "material behind the AI revolution. And"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "it's used in all the technology that"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "powers the data centers, advanced"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "electronics, robotics, and the"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "infrastructure that AI depends on. And"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "if AI keeps growing the way it's"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "predicted to, demand for silver will"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "grow right along with it. But here's the"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "thing. You don't want to start learning"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "about this too late. Silver's price"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "prediction is still $150 an ounce."}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "That's why we want you to get a copy of"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "Lear Capital's free report called the AI"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "Revolution. It explains why so many"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "investors are taking a closer look at"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "silver and what could be driving this"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "demand in the years ahead. So call now"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "to get your free copy. Call them at"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "8006133557."}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "While you're on the phone, you want to"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "ask them how you could qualify for up to"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "$20,000 in bonus silver. So don't wait"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "until it's too late and until you see it"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "in the headlines. We're telling you,"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "learn this for yourself. Call them"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "8006133557"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "or go to leerredacted.com."}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "One more time, that's leerredacted.com."}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": ">> All right, we're back with investigative"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "journalist Derek Bros. I want to talk to"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "you about the internet of things."}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "Everyone gets really excited about the"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "launch of the new HomePods, you know,"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "that Apple's rolling out in the next few"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "weeks with some new AI features. They're"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "going to have the new chips inside so"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "that they're more powerful. they'll be"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "able to handle the new Apple"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "intelligence and all of that. Then the"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "new Alexa devices, the Amazon devices"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "out there, everything is connected to"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "the internet. Um, I mean, how invasive"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "do people people joke all the time?"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "Well, like, oh, we're we're just having"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "a conversation in our home and then they"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "open their phone to go to Instagram or"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:03", "text": "something and then suddenly there's an"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "ad there for the mattress that they were"}, {"start": "00:49:03", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "just they were just talking about with"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "their wife in their house. Like I know"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "I think these things are so all"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "incredibly pervasive in our lives and"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "it's really really troubling and I think"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "it's only about to get worse."}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:20", "text": ">> Absolutely. I hadn't even heard about"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "these Apple HomePods you're talking"}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "about, but it's not surprising to me. Um"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "yeah, I think that this is, you know,"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "personally for me, you know, everybody"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "makes their own choices, but I don't"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "have any of those devices in my home."}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "And um I was having a conversation with"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "a friend recently on whether or not"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "there should be some sort of uh you know"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "full disclosure when you walk into"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "somebody's house because you might not"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "realize oh by the way I have an Alexa"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "listening to you right now. I've got the"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "Nest over there and I've got the smart"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "fridge because yes the truth of the"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "matter is all those devices are"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "listening. People think that when they"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "say the the magic word Alexa or whatever"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "else that that's when it turns on and"}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "starts listening but of course in order"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "to hear you say that it needs to be"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "listening at all times. And we can go"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "back to 2017, 2018 when there was first"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "uh leaked documents out showing that the"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "Samsung smart TVs also had microphones"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "that were listening all the time. I"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "think they all have them now at this"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "point. So you should probably assume"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "that any smart device, whether that's a"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "toaster, a fridge, a TV, or any of these"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "digital assistants, that they are"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "listening uh full-time. And it is"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "definitely no longer a conspiracy that"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:25", "text": "when you talk about something in what"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "you think is private with your wife,"}, {"start": "00:50:25", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "your husband, your friends and you go to"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "your social media and see an ad for"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "that, it is because yes, your phone is"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "listening, your um other devices are"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "listening and and I think that's"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "something that more and more people need"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "to be concerned about and also maybe not"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "just blindly accept because in many ways"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "what I realized over the years is we"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "have these different things that we're"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:45", "text": "talking about today, automatic"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:47", "text": "surveillance towers, facial recognition"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "that are being rolled out by the"}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "government, by these big tech companies"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "and that is a concern. And at the same"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "time, many of us are sort of acquiescing"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "and voluntarily walking pretty swiftly"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "right into this surveillance state by"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "choosing to put these devices into our"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:03", "text": "homes. You know, nobody's putting a gun"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "to your head and saying go buy the"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "latest, you know, smart thing and smart"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "home device. Many people out there,"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "probably people even listening to this"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "show are going out there and putting"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "those devices in their homes. And and I"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "understand there's the convenience."}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "There's certain um you know there's"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "certain benefits to this like with the"}, {"start": "00:51:17", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "Ring doorbell cameras. Somebody steals a"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "package on your home, maybe you get to"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "see it. But the reality is that we are"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "kind of helping create the surveillance"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "state that many of us are concerned"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "about. Not only in our own homes, but"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "when it comes to the Ring doorbell"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "camera, that's not just facing your"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:33", "text": "that's not just your front door. It's"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "also facing across the street to your"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "neighbor, whoever else might be there."}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "Again, there's times when they can prove"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "to be useful, but there's also uh"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "programs that the police departments are"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "starting to now access those Ring"}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:47", "text": "doorbell cameras. Uh Amazon and other"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "companies are also trying to get into"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "this this game. So the more that we"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "embrace these things, the more we are"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "voluntarily creating that surveillance"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "state. And it often"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "1984 how in the book the main character"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "he talked about how they had telescreens"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:03", "text": "on the wall and this was just like a"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "basically a flat screen TV on the wall."}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "And he described how you never knew if"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "it was listening or watching. So you"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "just had to live at all times like it"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "was watching and listening you at all"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "times. Well, they never describe how"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "those telescreens got there. Maybe we"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "sort of assumed they were put there by"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "big brother, but maybe not. Maybe people"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "voluntarily put them in their homes and"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "then eventually they just became the"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "norm and then as you said, you never"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "knew when they were listening. And you"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "know the other just one final point on"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "this that I think is perhaps the next"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "level of these kinds of invasive"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "measures. There are people like myself"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "who have theories there theories right"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "now because we haven't confirmed them"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "that there probably exists some type of"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "technology. I don't I'm not smart enough"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "to know what the mechanism would be, but"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "some type of technology that is also"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "able to, as crazy as it sounds, detect"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "our thoughts because I'm sure I'm not"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "the only one that has said, not only"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "have I not said anything out loud, you"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "maybe you had a thought or maybe you"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "started to type something and then a"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "moment later the same thing happens. It"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "pops up in an ad somewhere and it's not"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "even something you said out loud. I've"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "talked to many people who've said"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "they've had similar experiences that"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "they were just thinking about something."}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "they were thinking about a product they"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "might be interested or thinking about,"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "you know, some topic and then when they"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "got on their social media, they saw ads"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "about that. I can't prove that that"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "exists. I can't prove that we're there,"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "but I won't be surprised if in the next"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "few years the next Edward Snowden comes"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "out and reveals that that's been"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:25", "text": "happening for a long time as well."}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:26", "text": ">> Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think with AI,"}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "you're going to have these like"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "predictive ads that are going to be"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "based on your data that they've been"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "collecting tailored to you specifically"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:38", "text": "that will speak to an experience you've"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "had in your life and it'll know about"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "you. It's not even going to be just a"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:44", "text": "general blanket ad anymore like buy"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "Doritos. It's going to be, you know, you"}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "know, hey Clayton, remember that time"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "and you know when you were 16 years old"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:51", "text": "and your friends you snuck out and you"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "grabbed a bag of Doritos? Like how did"}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "you remember that story? you know, like"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "because you said it somewhere or it's"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "been picked up in some sort of a data"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "collection or you wrote about it in a"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "blog post. I mean, who knows where"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "they're going to pull this information"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "from, but you bring up the Ring"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "doorbell. I mean, before we let you go,"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:08", "text": "I just want to I do want to talk about"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:11", "text": "this 5G thing, but the Ring doorbell"}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "thing is interesting because you"}, {"start": "00:54:11", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "remember during the Super Bowl, there"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "was that ad Jamie Simmonoff, the uh the"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "founder of Ring Doorbell came out. He"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "said, you know, if you lose your pet,"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "right? And it was like, we're going to"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "turn your Ring doorbells into like an a"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "basically a a blanket,"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "you know, protection for your"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "neighborhood. Like if you know, we lost"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "our dog. Like, and they they sort of"}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "couched it as"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": ">> like, you know,"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:40", "text": "if you lose your dog, well, now the"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "neighborhood, everyone has a watchful"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "eye with your Ring doorbells. We'll be"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "able to save your dog. You know, that"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "was how they sort of pitched it."}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "Um, and I I know Jamie personally, um,"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "friends with him going back many, many"}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:54", "text": "years, the founder of Ring before it was"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:56", "text": "sold to Amazon. So,"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "I think his intentions are probably"}, {"start": "00:54:56", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "good. I don't think he intends to create"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "like this nationwide surveillance"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "network, but I don't know. I haven't"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "asked them that question, but that seems"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:09", "text": "to be what's being created here, like a"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "private national video surveillance"}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "network with all these doorbells that we"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "I think we'd be ignorant to think at"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "this point that the government doesn't"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "have access to it. I mean, you mentioned"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "police being able to access it, but"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "Amazon Web Services provides the"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "back-end infrastructure for the CIA."}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "I spoke to a source at Amazon just a few"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:31", "text": "weeks ago who's explaining to me how"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "they build out these data centers for"}, {"start": "00:55:31", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "the CIA and Amazon specifically builds"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "it out and they turn the keys over to"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "them like halfway through the process"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "and so so and Palanteer too all built on"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "AWS. So if Amazon owns Ring,"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:47", "text": ">> they have this cozy relationship with"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "the CIA. It's just hard for me to"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "believe that the government doesn't have"}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "access to everyone's doorbells in the"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "United States at this point."}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:55", "text": ">> I I think you're on the right track,"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:57", "text": "Clayton. And I would also mention that"}, {"start": "00:55:55", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "the uh that Amazon came up with their"}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "own facial recognition software years"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "ago. It's called recognition but spelled"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "with a K if you want anybody wants to"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "look that up. And they haven't they"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "haven't, as far as we know, outfitted"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "Ring with recognition yet. But I don't"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "think we're too far away from Amazon"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "saying, \"Hey, by the way, we're now"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:15", "text": "going to, you know, package Ring with"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:17", "text": "this recognition software so we can more"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "easily detect criminals and if somebody"}, {"start": "00:56:17", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "steals your dog or steals your package,"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "etc.\" And you're also correct that they"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "are partnering with uh different"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "government agencies. The next report"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "that I'm working on is kind of a"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "two-part a second part to this"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "surveillance towers one is about this"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:32", "text": "facial recognition database that the"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:35", "text": "government has that I hadn't heard of"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "till recently. It's called HART HT and"}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "as part of that it's backed by Amazon."}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "It's exactly what you're describing like"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "they're using um Amazon web services to"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "operate it. So these big tech companies,"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "Amazon, Meta, you know, Palunteer, all"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "the ones we've named, they're a big part"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": "of rolling out this this surveillance"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "system. And right now, some police"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "departments are saying it's a voluntary"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "system where if you want to, you can"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:56:59", "text": "choose to give the police department"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "access to your Ring doorbell cameras in"}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "case they, you know, can use it for"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "something useful. But I wouldn't be"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "surprised if in the long term those"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "things, whether they become mandatory or"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:10", "text": "as you said, they already sort of have"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "access without us knowing about it. In"}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "many ways again we are creating the own"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "our own surveillance state by choosing"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "to participate in these things."}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:23", "text": ">> Back in I would say yeah 2016 I speaking"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:25", "text": "with an executive at a major telecom"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:27", "text": "company and he just sort of started"}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "spilling the beans to me. There was no"}, {"start": "00:57:27", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "alcohol involved, but he was just"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "telling me that, hey, um, forget Wi-Fi,"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "like in the future, most of the homes,"}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "because he would do these buildouts all"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "across the country. And he said, you"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "know, people are going to basically not"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "really have Wi-Fi in their homes"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "anymore. It's going to be cellular and"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "you're going to start to see, he said,"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "next time you're walking down the"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "street, and this was like 2016, 2017."}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "See, next time you're walking down the"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "street, whether it's in Morristown, New"}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "Jersey or wherever, just look up on the"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "poles and you'll see small little"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "cellular"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "nodules basically. So, mini cell towers"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "that will be able to provide super fast"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "cellular 5G connectivity. And this is"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "when 5G was just starting to kind of"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "start rolling. And so, these businesses"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:17", "text": "will just have 5G. There won't be Wi-Fi."}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "you won't have to worry about going in"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "and getting a Wi-Fi password anymore."}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:22", "text": "He's like, this will this will seem so"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "archaic in a few years. Trust me, this"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "is what's coming. And pretty much"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "everyone in their own homes will have"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:30", "text": "these sort of mini 5G or 6G towers,"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:32", "text": "little femto cells. I don't know if"}, {"start": "00:58:30", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "that's how you would describe them, but"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "so you will not have like, you know, you"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:42", "text": "won't get ver uh Comcast Wi-Fi anymore."}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "You'll just have AT&T cellular 6G in"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "your home. And so you'll come home from"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "work, you won't have to switch it over"}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "to your Wi-Fi network. It'll just be"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "ubiquitous from the drive home. There"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "will not be a switchover process"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "anymore. It'll all be like this cellular"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "um technology. I'm just curious your"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "thoughts on what happens next, this move"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "from 5G to 6G. And do you think there's"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "any truth to that?"}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:06", "text": ">> I absolutely think that there's truth to"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "that. I think that that's one of the"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "ways they're going to um you know pacify"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "a lot of the people who have concerns"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "whether they're related to to"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "surveillance or health concerns with 5G"}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "and EMFs more broadly because everybody"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "wants Wi-Fi, right? People want to just"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "have access to the internet everywhere"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:24", "text": "you go. And like you said, how much more"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "convenient would it be if you didn't"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:27", "text": "have to switch from network to network"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "and it was just you were always plugged"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:31", "text": "in, you were always on. In many ways,"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:32", "text": "people people would love that. You know,"}, {"start": "00:59:31", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "a lot of people I've heard some people"}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "say Wi-Fi is basically a human right at"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "this point. people expect it everywhere"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "they go especially in first world"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "countries and uh and yeah what you"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "described there in terms of having these"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "small cells on all the towers and"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "eventually maybe in people's homes is"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "100% what is happening and what has been"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "happening as I mentioned back in Houston"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "when I first started to pay attention to"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "this I was going to Houston city council"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "for dozens of times between 2018 2019"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "2020 trying to bring them information"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "about all these concerns I was talking"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "with local residents who were having"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "these small cells attached to towers"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:09", "text": "hours within 200 feet of their home or"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "within 200 feet of a children's school"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:14", "text": "or with 200 feet of a church and they"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "were getting ignored and denied and"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:19", "text": "turned down because the telecoms big"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "wireless they have a huge influential"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "lobby that is often overlooked and not"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "to mention the same technology that that"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "5G and 6G operate on uh millimeter waves"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "it that same spectrum can be used as a"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "mil as a a military weapon like for"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "crowd control people are familiar maybe"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "with the LRAD sound cannons, you know,"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:39", "text": "where they turn [clears throat] on this"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "frequency and it it can bust your"}, {"start": "01:00:39", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "eardrums if you don't run away"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "immediately. A lot of the same"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:46", "text": "technology can be used in different"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "ways. And so there are others who have"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "concerns that once these networks are"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "installed, sure, it'll provide free"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "Wi-Fi and, you know, connected all the"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:56", "text": "time, but that these networks can also"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "be used in other very detrimental ways,"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "not to mention the surveillance and the,"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "you know, the health concerns."}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:04", "text": ">> Oh, I know. It's it's so it's so crazy."}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "It's like thinking about where we can"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "escape from 6G technology as it rolls"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "out, you know, I don't know, up in the"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "mountains of Alaska or something like"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "that at this point. I'm not really sure,"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "but it's going to be ubiquitous. Um, and"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "it's terrifying. Um, well, thanks to"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "your incredible reporting, Derek, for"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "being on top of this and trying to, you"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "know, trying to educate all of us about"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:27", "text": "where this is headed. I think we need to"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "all stand up right now because uh we're"}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "slowly eroding our rights and we're just"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "handing them over to this technocracy"}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "and we're just we're giving away our"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "basic freedoms and we're going to wake"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "up one day and realize that it's just"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "too far gone and there'll be really no"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "way back from it because we've just"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "slowly slowly eroded it all under the"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:50", "text": "guise of safety and convenience. And"}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:52", "text": "it's it's great that you'll have your"}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "Ring doorbell that can find Fluffy, you"}, {"start": "01:01:52", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "know, if he gets out and the whole"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "neighborhood can, you know, snap to"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "attention. And but, you know, it's we're"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "giving up these we're giving up our"}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:05", "text": "personal liberties at the at the hands"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "of these terrible tools, I believe. Um,"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:09", "text": "and the thing is like I'm a I'm not a"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "lite, you know, I I do appreciate"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "technology, you know, and uh so I I I'm"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:16", "text": "sort of torn about most of this stuff,"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "you know. It's really"}, {"start": "01:02:16", "end": "01:02:19", "text": ">> it's [clears throat]"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "the convenience, the excitingness, you"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "know, exciting nature of it. But it's"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "like I always have to pull myself back"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "now and ask like what's the deeper"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "question here? Like why why are they"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "pushing this on us now? Because there"}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:32", "text": "it's it's much bigger than just like"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "having the convenience of a personal"}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "computer. So I don't know, could wax"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "poetic about this all day, [snorts]"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:40", "text": ">> but any final thoughts, Derek?"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:41", "text": ">> Uh well, just, you know, to that thought"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "you just said there. I mean, I love"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "tools. I love gadgets. I used to love"}, {"start": "01:02:43", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "going, you know, hanging out the"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:48", "text": "electronic store and and I've been"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "waiting for this when I was younger,"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "waiting for this futuristic world and"}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:52", "text": "now we're arriving here and I'm"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:55", "text": "terrified. So, I definitely share that"}, {"start": "01:02:52", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "concern with you. Like I I love what the"}, {"start": "01:02:55", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "tools are potentially capable of and I"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:01", "text": "have to balance that with my"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "understanding of who is in charge and"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:04", "text": "who's running these tools because as I"}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:06", "text": "said earlier, if we had a different"}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "world with benevolent people um in"}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "charge of these tools, then maybe"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:11", "text": "humanity could be advancing much much"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:13", "text": "further. But instead, um, and I know"}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "you've reported on this as well, instead"}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "they're suppressing other technologies"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "which could help us advance. And they're"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "using these current technologies to to"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "monitor and surveil us. So, I just want"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:22", "text": "to mention if anybody wants to find this"}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:24", "text": "report, it's at the elastamean"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:26", "text": "vagabond.com. And if you're curious"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "about my documentary on 5G, you can find"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:30", "text": "it at theconciousresistance.com."}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "So, thank you for having me on, Clayton."}, {"start": "01:03:30", "end": "01:03:33", "text": ">> Derek, always great to have you, my"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "friend. Thank you for your incredible"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:37", "text": "reporting as always. Um, yeah, keep"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "doing what you're doing. Thank you so"}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "much."}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:41", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "Thank you so much for watching Redacted."}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "We'd love for you to subscribe to the"}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "channel. It's totally free if you want"}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "to follow us or subscribe. And if we"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:50", "text": "brought you any value at all, please"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "consider sharing this video with a"}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "friend or a loved one on social media."}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "Thanks so much and we'll see you next"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "time."}]

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Friend of the show, Congressman"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "Thomas Massie, just on the show the"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "other day, of course, showing off his"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "debt badge that he wears, his national"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "debt clock on his chest on a regular"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "basis, which has now just passed $40"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "trillion."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "The Treasury Department under Scott"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "Bassen is stepping into this market"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "dramatically,"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "increasing the purchasing of longerdated"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "government bonds. But is that really"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "just a stop gap measure like sticking"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "duct tape on a leaking boat? Treasury"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "says it's all about improving liquidity."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "My guest today though has actually been"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "on the other side of that trade. My"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "guest today is Matt Cole before joining"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "Strive Asset Management as their CEO. He"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "managed roughly $70 billion in fixed"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "income assets at Kalpers including"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "approximately 40 billion in US"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "treasuries making him one of the largest"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "country one of the country's largest"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "institutional buyers of government debt"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "if I have that I hopefully I have that"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "correct and Matt joins us today to talk"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "about"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> all of this. Matt, welcome to the show."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> Yeah, thanks for having me. It's uh it's"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "a really interesting time to to have"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "this conversation."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> For sure. I mean, so I, you know, sort"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "of at the outset mentioned sticking duct"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "tape on a boat at the moment with a, you"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "know, leaks are shooting out the side. I"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "mean, it's hard not to look at it that"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "way. Maybe Scott Bent knows something"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "that like we don't know, but is this"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "kind of a grasping at straws moment in"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "order to shore up the US dollar? How do"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "you how do you see it at a high level?"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "Yeah, I'll I'll I'll break it all down"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "and obviously as someone that's been on"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "the buy side and an investor in this to"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "your point used to be one of the largest"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "buyers in the United States of US"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "treasuries now running a Bitcoin"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "strategy that and I and I'll break down"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "the problems but as from my seat I"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "obviously can't invest based on the"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "world I wish was I have to invest on the"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "world that is and and so we obviously"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "are living in a time where there is a"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "massive debt crisis to your point on"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "Thomas Messi Massie and his famous uh"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "debt clock that just keeps rising more"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "and more. Uh the the answer that he"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "obviously rightfully points out and you"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "know recently Stan Drunken Miller"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "pointed out in a Wall Street Journal"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "oped is we actually need to address as a"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "country the debt crisis. We need to"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "actually stop spending so aggressively"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "and irresponsibly."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "The problem is is that that platform is"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "not has not been electable at the"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "national level. And so whether you have"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "a Republican in office or a Democrat in"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "office, we've seen that the debt levels"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "continue to rise. And and so where I"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "think that becomes a problem is is and I"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "think to your point on I agree with the"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "putting duct tape on a a leaking boat or"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "grasping for straws or whatever the"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "analogy that you want to use is"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "ultimately what happens. And it's not"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "because Bessant doesn't see the problem."}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "I think he sees the problem clearly. Um"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "I think when Elon Musk was in government"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "office and running Doge, I think he saw"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "the problem very uh very very clearly."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "But I think what we're seeing is that"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "it's not that we don't have people that"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "don't see the problem, people that are"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "not smart enough. I think the problem is"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "structural unfortunately. And so this"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "this debt crisis, it has to play out uh"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "in a few different ways. You could let"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "the market forces play out, which is"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "what drunken Miller was calling. So if"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "the market forces played out, what would"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "happen? Long-term yields would shoot up"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "because we have a debt crisis in this"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "country. The reality is is that we've"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "already intervened in the markets"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "heavily. Right now, the Federal Reserve,"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "even though they haven't been actively"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "buying long-term bonds, they still own"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "about 28% of the long-term maturity is"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "greater than 10 years. And so, you think"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "about that, the a government controlled"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "entity owns over a quarter of long-term"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "debt. That is massive intervention"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "already. And we're now peaking um and"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "and moving up, flirting with long-term"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "yields, to your point, that haven't been"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "seen in a couple decades. So, we're"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "already seeing that on the 30-year. I"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "think we will in the coming year or two"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "potentially faster see that in the"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "10-year which would be long 10-year"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "yields rising above about five and a"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "quarter and ultimately I think the"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "Treasury will have to respond with"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "aggressive buybacks and and I think"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "right now what we saw with Bessant was"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "you know a move to roughly double the"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "size of the buybacks but I mean we're"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "talking about a government debt in the"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "realm of $40 trillion and so to double"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "it from 2 billion to 4 billion. You"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "know, it's crazy to say because these"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "are big numbers is effectively duct"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "tape. It's pennies on a on a leaking"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "boat. And so I think his he he"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "referenced that he would go bigger if"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "needed. They have a trillion dollars in"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "the in the TGA. And I think the market"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "now is going to test them. And and"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "that's what happens when you when you"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "start with almost what I would say was"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "more of a marketing grasping for straws"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "impact. And I think the Treasury will"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "have to go bigger. Ultimately, I don't"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "think it's the best outcome. Obviously,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "the best outcome would be fiscal"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "conservatism. That's what we can"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "honestly say. But"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> none of these guys are going to"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Yeah. None of these guys are going to"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "pull back on spending. And both, you"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "know, as we we always talk about this is"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "there is one uniart in the United States"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "and both of them are guilty of this"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "spending. Everyone pays lip service to"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "we're going to cut the debt. We've got"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "to pull in reign in government spending."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "It never ever happens. It's just"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "continuing to explode. If you were"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "sitting at the chair of Kalpers today, I"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "know you're not. You're at Strive of"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "course, but and you were having to buy"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "up government debt, would you want to be"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "buying 30-year Treasury bonds right now"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "at these levels? Would you know if the"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "government called you and said, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "Matt, can you kind of help out a little"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "bit here?\" Would you we don't would you"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "want to be buying them at these levels?"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": ">> Uh, absolutely not. But I think you know"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "it you you get some weird incentives"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "when you run a portfolio, right? And so"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "when I was running a fixed income"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "portfolio, my mandate was not total"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "returns. And so I wasn't thinking about"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "debasement and what the dollar was"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "actually worth. I was thinking about it,"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "but that's not how I was incentivized to"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "earn my bonus. And so I was incentivized"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "to earn my bonus by outperforming my"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "benchmark of bonds. And so which has a"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "lot of bad incentives, bad first"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "principles behind it because what you"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "really should be thinking about is what"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "are my dollars going to buy in the"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "future. But if someone says, \"Hey, like"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "don't focus too much on that just"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "outperform your benchmark. And if you"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "do, that's really all we want you to do"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "and we'll we'll manage the rest.\" Well,"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "then you say, \"Okay, well if my"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "benchmarks US treasuries or mortgage"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "back securities or whatever they were,"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "cuz I had a couple different benchmarks,"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "how do I outperform it?\" I do think if"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "10-year yields move to the five and a"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "quarter above range, I do think the"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "Treasury will step in and I do think"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "that bonds will have a positive total"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "return. But the problem if you're"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "actually thinking more from a first"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "principled perspective and not just how"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "do I outperform my benchmark, risk"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "assets are risk assets are likely to rip"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "in that scenario. And as you go further"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "out the risk curve in a really a"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "debasement trade, there's going to be a"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "growing hunt for scarce assets. And"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "that's where gold, Bitcoin, things like"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "that kind of enter the equation. Um, so"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "I guess it depends on what your mandate"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "is. Um, but right now I would be waiting"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "to basically predict when the Treasury"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "will actually blink, when they would"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "actually deploy that trillion dollars of"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "capital. I think it's at higher yields"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "from here. Have you ever looked at the"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "day's big investment stories and wished"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "that you got in earlier? Maybe it was AI"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "or SpaceX. 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That's leerredacted.com."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": ">> So, you mentioned Stanley Drunken"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "Miller. Maybe you could explain to our"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "audience who are not familiar with, you"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "know, obviously a legend. I don't think"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "he's ever had a losing year ever um in"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "his investing career. So, he writes this"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "opinion piece in the Wall Street"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "Journal. kind of sent shock waves"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "through uh through Washington. U maybe"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "you could just talk about who he is, why"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "what he said is so important about"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "trying to cut back on all this spending."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> Yeah. And and so forget the politics of"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "the people I'm about to talk about. So"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "Stanley Drunken Miller and Scott Bessant"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "both uh came from the lineage of George"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "Soros in his investing career. And so"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "obviously there's a lot of political"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "connotations about that. But from an"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "investment perspective, these"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "individuals made a lot of money and had"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "very successful investment careers. And"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "probably the two most successful"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "proteges under the George Soros lineage"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "were Stan Drunken Miller and Scott"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "Bessant, which is really interesting"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "because you have Bessant heading the"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "Treasury and and Drunken Miller probably"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "even more successful from an investing"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "perspective than Bessant and they both,"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "you know, have crushed it. Uh, and to"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "your point, I don't think uh, Drunken"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "Miller has ever had a losing year. He's"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "famous for concentrated positions and"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "very on the-se concentrated positions."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "And so, this is where I think his"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "op-ed's really interesting is he's been"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "a known investor in scarce assets like"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "Bitcoin uh, because he's correctly"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "called this fiscal deteriorating fiscal"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "situation. And so I read his piece"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "uh through the lens of what do I think"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "he knows from his investment style and"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "what is he trying to signal. So I agree"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "with every single thing he laid out. He"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "laid out irresponsible spending."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "Basically a call a warning call to"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "Washington DC that if you don't actually"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "take the debt crisis seriously the"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "dollar is going to become worthless is"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "basically the point of his post. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "I think of it more as a Hail Mary that"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "he's trying to signal a problem. It"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "obviously generated a lot of headlines,"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "but this problem is structural and I"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "think he's going to ultimately be proven"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "right, but I don't think it will have an"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "impact in DC that it should have. Just"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "like I think Thomas Massiey's uh"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "warnings are completely accurate, but"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "obviously he's not even in Congress"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "anymore, right? because because Trump"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "effectively had him removed, right? And"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "so what does that"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:17", "text": ">> lame duck at this point? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, fiscal hawks, fiscal"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "conservatives,"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "uh there's really no place for you in"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "this uh in this Republican party, you"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "know. Um and so if you and if you speak"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "out against the big beautiful bill and"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "all of this and reigning in spending,"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "they'll they'll cut you off at the"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "knees. And that's exactly what happened"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "to Massie. Um among other things. But so"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "to Drunken Miller's point, like we've"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "got to stop this or or else like this is"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "we're watching effectively the end uh"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "the end of the dollar supremacy around"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "the world unless we stop this. And I"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "don't think there's any appetite to stop"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "this spending in Washington at all. Um"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "so do you think that Congress or anyone"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "else is going to heed his warnings?"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": ">> Absolutely not. And and I think Bessant"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "knows it. But here but here's the"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "problem with someone like Bessant. Not"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "that he doesn't see it. Not that he's"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "not intelligent enough to see it. He is"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "appointed. He is appointed by the"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "president of the United States. And so"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "the problem because it's structural is"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "that whoever's president this is really"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "not about Trump but whoever whether it's"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "Biden, Trump, whoever's next after that"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "is that these are elected officials by"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "the voting populace. And the voting"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "populace I do not believe is willing to"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "take the tough medicine of fiscal"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "conservatives. So people get elected"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "with a inherent structural bias to keep"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "the current train going of entitlements."}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "Um and so what that means is that as"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "much as Bessant may see the problem, he"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "ultimately reports to the president of"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "the United States and has to work under"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "his mandate or he could be removed from"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "his position. And and so what is the"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "mandate from the Trump administration?"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "They've been explicit. They want a"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "weaker dollar. They actually view the"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "dollar supremacy as having a massive"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "cost to the American people. Um and I"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "think that there is there is some truth"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "to that, but I mean obviously the answer"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "here should be fiscal conservativism,"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "but because it's not the re release"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "valve has to be the weaker dollar. And"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "so I think you know part of where I see"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "the dollar relative so so an interesting"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "thing here is other countries in the"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "developed markets their fiscal situation"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "is also not great right the rising debt"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "levels the debt crisis is a global"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "phenomenon it's happening in Europe it's"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "happening in Japan it's happening in"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "China um and and so when you when you"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "look at the dollar relative to other"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "fiscal currencies it's why it quickly"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "becomes this this entangled web of just"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "messiness, but the dollar is the reserve"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "currency of the world and it has the"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "most to lose. And and so what I think"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "happens here as as the dollar becomes"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "the release valve intentionally from the"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "United States government is it moves"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "weaker, but interestingly in the 1980s"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "and the early 2000s, the dollar's"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "already had several bouts where it's"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "been materially lower relative to other"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "fiat currencies than we are seeing right"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "now. And so I think the easy trade from"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "my perspective is the dollar goes lower,"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "maybe makes new lows versus what we saw"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "in the early 2000s, which would be like"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "a 30% decline in the dollar relative to"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "other fiat currencies versus now. It"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "would drive massive headlines. But that"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "still in and of itself would not be a"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "collapse of the dollar. It would just be"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "a very weak dollar,"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": ">> right? This is what China did, of"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "course, for so many years. And so"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "massive amounts of manufacturing poured"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "into the country. everything we own"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "comes from China. And Trump has, as you"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "pointed out, been very explicit about"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "wanting a weaker dollar. He said, I I"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "don't like the sounds of it, but it"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "actually helps the United States of"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "America. Um, it helps manufacturing move"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "back to the US and all of that. So, do"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "we have a stomach for a weaker dollar in"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "the United States?"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": ">> Uh, do we have a stomach for it? Well, I"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "guess it it the question becomes"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "compared to what? uh and and so if it's"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "you know compared to not intervening in"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "US Treasury markets and letting them"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "find their true clearing rate I don't"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "think that there's an appetite to see"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "10-year yields go up to 6 to 10% um now"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "so I think the answer is no on that the"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "answer is no on fiscal conservatism and"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "so the problem is is that you know I I"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "view the the US Treasury situation is"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "like from like the position of if you"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "were a person that was sick. So I've"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "I've an analyzed it to having cancer"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "before and so you have this patient the"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "US Treasury that has"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": ">> cancer and and so the so and it's not"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "being treated and the problem becomes"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "worse and worse and the Fed has been the"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "doctor QE has been kind of the treatment"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "but at this point unfortunately I kind"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "of view it to be at the terminal level"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "and so while I'm a you can't really find"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "a more of a historically I would be so"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "aligned with all of the fiscal"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "conservatism"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "conservatives"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "But at a certain point, if the problem"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "is not fixable, then there's a"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "rationality to say like comfort is the"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "best pro best outcome for someone that"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "has terminal illness. If you can't fix"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "it, you could you could try to, you"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "know, treat it aggressively, but at a"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "certain point once it's terminal, you"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "try to just ease the pain as you kind of"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "move on to the next system. And I think"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "to my to my belief that is where we are"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "already with the dollar. And I think"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "that and and if we're not there, we're"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "basically right there, which I think"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "maybe would be drunken Miller's position"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "if we if we were to disagree. Maybe he's"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "his hell marry is like fix this right"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "now or it's over. My view is maybe it's"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "already over, but but it's going in the"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "same direction. And unfortunately, you"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "know, it's a it's a you know,"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "substantially weaker dollar."}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "I mean, what does that mean then for the"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "average American who's watching right"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "now who, you know, works hard, has a"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "little bit of savings, maybe they invest"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "a little bit, maybe they thinking about,"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "you know, buying some gold, having some"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "silver. Our audience is obviously big"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "big fans of the scarce asset as you as"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "you talk about, but like what does this"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "mean for the broader economy? We already"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "saw, you know, ground beef prices jump"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "up 9% from July to August, price of"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "everything going up. What does it mean"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "for inflation? What does it mean just"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "for a family of four people trying to"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "live their lives?"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": ">> Well, the the unfortunate reality, as"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "I'm sure a lot of your audience"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "realizes, and and everybody sees this,"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "is that the system is already broken and"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "and you think about that, you think"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "about where we are today where you have"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "declining fertility rates. I don't think"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "that declining fertility rates are"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "because people don't want to have"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "families,"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": ">> right? I think it's because people can't"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "afford families. And then if you can't"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "afford families, the average family"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "unfortunately has to have both parents"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "working to support the family. And I"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "don't think that that is ideal in any in"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "most family structures. I think it has"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "it had to be pushed into America because"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "it was the only way that people could"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "finance a life. And so then you have,"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "you know, your kids structurally in"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "daycare, having people that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "aren't your family raising your kids"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "oftent times. and and that and and"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "obviously declining home rates. It's"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "it's a really sad reality that the"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "current generation moving up is is"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "living in, right? And so I think we can"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "say that like, you know, it's kind of"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "already broken. And which is why I think"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "you see"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:57", "text": ">> on both sides of the political aisle"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": ">> a a movement against the current system,"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "right? This is not really a Democrat"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "versus Republican thing. Although"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "there's different view versions of the"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "anger, the pent-up anger, right? It's a"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "it's a very um understandable anger. And"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "so I to my view to you know I I guess I"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "kind of come down to like if the dollar"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "breaks and you already are struggling to"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "make it like so what? Like maybe that's"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "better for you. Like like I mean versus"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:24", "text": ">> Yeah, maybe we need to burn it all down."}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "I mean I I think you're right about"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "that. I mean, the birth gap issue in the"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "US is awful. I mean, just look at Japan"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "if you want to sort of get a preview of"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "what's to come in the United States when"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "you have no young people having kids"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "because they can't afford it and it's a"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "result of the recession from a number of"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "years ago. So, you can see that trickle"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "down effect from a bad economy. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "every every birth gap and we've we've"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "had the documentary filmmaker from the"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "birth gap movie on our show deep diving"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "this. I mean, every downturn has led to"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "these birth gaps. So, to your point"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "about the 70s, like the the Jimmy Carter"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "malaise era, you know, the inflationary"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "period of course that we went through"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "and all of those problems and families"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "and it led to like all these latch key"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "kids"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "who grew up with their parents both had"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "jobs and they weren't really around and"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "that was a that was a reality of it. And"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "I think you're right. So, there and it's"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "all intentional in my opinion. We can go"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "down a whole different rabbit hole, but"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "it's the tearing down of the American"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "family. It's to usher in this, you know,"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "control control grid that they want."}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "Absolutely. And they don't want us to"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "have healthy, happy families and and all"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "of that. And a mom staying home or, you"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "know, one parent staying home to be able"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "to take care and raise the children."}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "Like we get all the messages from the"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "the media on that over the years, of"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "course. So, um, yeah, just pick up the"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "New York Times or the Washington Post."}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "They'll run stories about how, you know,"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "women getting divorced is the greatest"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "thing ever. It's like, okay, really walk"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "into a Barnes & Noble and right right in"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "the front is a whole section on divorce"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "now. So, this is this is their plan. Um,"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "anyway, that's not why you're here"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "today. But,"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "so maybe it is already broken. It is."}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "And the only and do you think it's tied"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "to sort of what we saw after 2008 and"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "this collapse which is we never really"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "let it collapse? It was always sort of"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "artificially held up after 2008 and and"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "all of that because of the QE and all of"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "the intervention by the Fed and so forth"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "and even after COVID we never really"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "fully let it collapse. And maybe that's"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "the one way to maybe cleanse the"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "cleanse everything is to let it fully"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "materialize."}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "Yeah. And and and just to to to rewind"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "briefly on something you said, I mean,"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "on on these these issues with humanity"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "that we're struggling with in America,"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "this is ultimately why I'm here and and"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "my passion and and fixing helping fix"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "life for people and and trying to, you"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "know, with people like yourself that are"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "that are seeing this clearly as well,"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "help people see the picture because when"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "you see the picture and you see the"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "reality, it helps you transition your"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "life into something that's a better life"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "for yourself. And and so, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "think where where we where we are here"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "and when you see that reality and you"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "see the reality of of people, um then"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "burning it down actually becomes less"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "scary actually because you think about"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "it, you say I'm a believer in the free"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "markets. And so to your point on the"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "great financial crisis, um if if the"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "federal government did not intervene,"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "obviously a lot of the large banks would"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "have failed. It would have been more"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "painful there, but it would have been a"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "a rip the band-aid off moment. And and"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "my belief in and my love of free markets"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "is that when you allow the markets to"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "cleanse themselves, you actually have a"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "more stable system. You could you could"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "point this back to number of different"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "analogies. One of them would be like how"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "do you manage a forest? And so I I used"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "to live in California obviously. I"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "worked at Kalpers and for many deep"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "structural reasons they could not"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "actually manage their forest. So they"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "become unmanaged and then you have these"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "massive wildfires because you didn't"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "manage it right like if you actually"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "manage the problem manage the problem"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "it's basically let it fail versus like"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "try to overengineer an outcome. you"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "might see smaller fires. You see a bank"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "fell, a few banks fell, but the system"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "itself is is stronger versus we now in"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "the United States have this unmanaged"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "financial system that has been it's been"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "tried to manage, but it's actually"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "bubbled up into a much bigger issue"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "where if the Treasury does what it's"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "saying it's going to do, to your point,"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "it's basically putting earlier it's"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "putting duct tape on a leaking boat,"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "right? It's not effective. Um, and if"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "we're not going to actually do fiscal"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "conservatism,"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "then the current Treasury's actions"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "basically maintain the current"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "structure, which is the structure that,"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "you know, both parents have to work,"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "they can't afford kids, kind of the"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "crappy life that the average American's"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "living in, versus burn it down. And and"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "burning it down will be painful"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "temporarily, right? Like sometimes tough"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "things are painful temporarily. Burning"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "it down would be painful temporarily. So"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "would fiscal conservatism. that would"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "also be very painful temporarily. But"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "I'm I am for and of the mindset of you"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "know the when you have when you have um"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "strong men that creates strong times,"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "strong times create weak men, weak men"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "create, you know, weak bad times and"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "then bad times create strong men. Again,"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "kind of where we are in that cycle here"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "is I think we're in the cycle of of hard"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "times for a generation and that requires"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "drastic hard actions. And so I don't"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "view the burning it down scenario"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "although that's obviously um you know"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "not where DC is. I think for the people"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "listening this what what is the burn it"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "down scenario? It's opt out. It's opt"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "into hard assets. It's say hey the"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "dollar system is broken. So what what"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "does that mean for a portfolio? It means"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "you know the modern portfolio theory"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "says you know on average 6040 60% stocks"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "40% bonds. Well, if we're in a debt"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "crisis and the government's not going to"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "take it seriously, why would you want to"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "own any bonds? You're lending money to a"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "system that's irresponsibly spending."}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "You would not want to lend money to an"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "irresponsible spender. Well, the US"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "government's irresponsible and then"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "spenders on top of that are getting some"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "spread to a system of debt that's"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "destined to fail. And so, I just think"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "you structurally do not want to be"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "invested in bonds. And that's where you"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "enter the conversation of scarce assets."}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "whether it's gold or bitcoin or"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "whatever, right? But that is an opt out."}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "It is a rejection of that system, which"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "obviously Bessant is trying to not have"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "happen by step in and support the"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "10-year yields. But if you're smarter"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "than that, you would say unless I have a"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "fixed income mandate,"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "right? Which your average listener"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "probably does not have a fixed income"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "mandate. They're trying to manage their"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "family, their life. Don't buy US"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "treasuries ever. So that begs the"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "question then. I mean that's and it's"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "very smart what you just said, but when"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "the Treasury needs to issue hundreds of"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "billions of dollars in new debt, who's"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "buying it? We see Japan obviously"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "dumping it. Um like what I mean it's"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "almost like a it almost in many ways, I"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "hate to say this, but it almost sounds"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "like one of those toxic assets. I mean"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "maybe this is a bridge too far, but it's"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "like it's almost like one of those"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "mortgage back securities from 2008."}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "like, \"Hey, do you want to own a"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "mortgage back security, which is like a"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "a a big grabag of a whole bunch of"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "houses and mortgages of people that"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "can't pay their mortgages? Like, would"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "you would you want to own that?\" No, I"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "wouldn't. And when I look at the"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "Treasury, it's like, why would I want to"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "own government bonds right now? Like, it"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "sounds like a disaster. Um, and the only"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "people that seem to really want to buy"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "it is the US government buying its own"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "debt. It's like a snake eating its own"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "tail. So, I guess like who's buying it?"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "who would want to buy it."}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:01", "text": ">> Yes. So, so you obviously have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "institutional mandates. You have a lot"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "of the financial advisor complex that I"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "would say is just they're not"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "incentivized to say something so"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "drastic. They're incentivized to just be"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "basically keep it going. So, they'll"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "keep the 60/40 portfolio. That's what"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "people know. And they'll keep putting,"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "you know, people's funds in there. And"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "and then it and then I think where the"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "the slide of hand happens, so we're"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "obviously going deeper in this"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "conversation. Your audience likes to go"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "deeper in these types of conversations"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "obviously. Um but you think about it and"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "you say well what's the difference"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "between versus mortgage back securities?"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "Well mortgage back securities when the"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "foreclosure crisis hit in the great"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "financial crisis the payments stopped"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "and there has actually real defaults"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "right foreclosures across the country."}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "With the US Treasury they will likely"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "always pay the interest. You'll always"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "get your money back. But the more"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "important question is is not am I gonna"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "get my money back. It's what is my money"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "worth going to be worth when I get it"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "back. What can I buy with that money?"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "Right? Because the release valve if we"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "go back to it is a weaker dollar. And so"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "your dollars are going to be debased."}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "They're going to be worth less. But you"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "will get them back. And so that's why"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "the government will be like, \"Oh, well,"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "we will never default. We are the"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "risk-free quote unquote risk-free asset,"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "which I couldn't reject stronger. I mean"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "like it's massively full of risk but"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "there is very little to no default risk"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "but the dollar could be worth very"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "little right and so once you once you"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "see that and you see it clearly you"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "can't really unsee it and and so then"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "it's to your point it's like I do not"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "want to own these but then who does buy"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "them uh people that are lazy and there's"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "a lot of advisers that are lazy there's"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "a lot of mandates that are lazy there's"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "a lot of bad incentives and then the US"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "Treasury and the government will play"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "aims with other buyers like Japan where"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "they inter intervened with the Japanese"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "yen uh where it's like why would the US"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "government care about the Japanese yen?"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "Why would they intervene? Why would they"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "sell euros to buy yen which you know"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "Bessant's note when he was uh at at that"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "meeting that said you know buy 5 billion"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "or 10 billion of yen that probably"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "intentionally leaked out there right to"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "try to influence markets. Why would he"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "do that? They're doing that because they"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "don't they want to minimize the sell"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "pressure from places like Japan, right?"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "So to be a a partner with the large"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "buyers, which you know, you know, you"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "could go through all the lines why"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "that's ultimately going to fail or the"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "problems behind that, but there's some"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "rationality to say if you just think"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "about the government, they need to be"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "good partners with the people that buy"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "them buy their their debt. But the"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "problem is is that that still does not"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "fix the structural underlying problem of"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "the debt crisis in the United States."}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "It's not getting better. It's getting"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "worse. And so again, it's still comes"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "back to that you're putting duct tape on"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "a leaking boat."}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": ">> This is a paid advertisement for Rumble"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "Wallet. They are sponsoring this ad. 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So again,"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "that's wallet.rumble.com/redacted."}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:15", "text": ">> It's, you know, it's so confounding, I"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "think, and you're right on the the value"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "of the US dollar that, okay, I'm going"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "to be investing in these bonds. I get my"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "money back. What can my dollar actually"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "buy? Uh and this is where of course you"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "know Bitcoin or gold silver where you"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "have projections from Bank of America"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "and Goldman Sachs for gold you know you"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "know well over $5,000 an ounce. Bank of"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:41", "text": "America on on silver you know three uh"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "$150 an ounce on silver."}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "Um Bitcoin of course now just touching"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "again over $80,000. Bitcoin could run"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "I'll maybe ask you upwards of 90 maybe"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "back over a h 100red who knows where"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "it's going to go. Um so Americans then"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "wondering well then how do I pay for"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "things like if I still have to pay my"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "rent I still have to pay my mortgage but"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "the value of this US dollar continues to"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "plummet. Then the burrito that I used to"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "be able to buy for $7 now costs me you"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "know 13 and $14."}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "At some point what do I do? Like how do"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "I how is this sustainable? just make"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "more dollars that are also not worth"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "much. I mean, where do you go? What do"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "you do,"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "whatever. And and obviously homes are"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "not overly affordable, but the good news"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "for people that own a home is that your"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "payments are fixed in dollars forever."}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "So, as as the dollar becomes worth less,"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "you don't have to pay more dollars for"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "your mortgage payment, right? It's it's"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "fixed for most people. Um uh so if you"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "own a home, that's that's the good news."}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "Um but the way I think about it is"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "pretty simple. You have to for most"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "people work, earn money in today"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "dollars. Uh but then you spend dollars,"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "but then you should save in scarce"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "assets. And so the scarce assets being"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "whether it's silver, gold or Bitcoin, I"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "think all are poised to do really well."}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "Uh for several reasons, I think Bitcoin"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "is likely to be the fastest horse there."}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "Um and"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:26", "text": ">> well, yeah, it's up 20 it's up 26% like"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "a few days. I don't think like nothing"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "moves like Bitcoin, right?"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "into making markets behave in an"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "unnatural manner. So whether that's from"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "QE and the the recent Treasury actions"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "are not technically QE, but it's it's"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "the same thing, right? It's it's a it's"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "the US government, whether it's the"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "Treasury or the Fed stepping in to buy"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "the US government debt that no other uh"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "individual buys. So you know what's"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "happening with the Treasury? They are"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "refinancing. They're basically buying"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "back the long-term debt and then they're"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "issuing short-term debt. But then the"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "Federal Reserve ultimately is the"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "absorber of the short-term rates. And so"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "effectively, it's not much different"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "than the Federal Reserve doing it. It's"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "just done through a different mechanism,"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "but the outcome is is kind of the same"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "here. Um, and so for people, it's like"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "you do not want to save in dollars,"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "right? Like sitting your money in a"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "checking account. That's always been"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "bad. That's kind of historically don't"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "put your money under under a mattress,"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "right? Um, but even money markets are"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "not do not keep pace with the rate that"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "the dollar is being debased. And so you"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "got to save and hard ass."}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "Wait, can we just pause for a second?"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "This is very important for our maybe"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "maybe there's someone in our audience"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "that doesn't understand that concept"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "because I've we I always say as my"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "friend Robert Kiasaki likes to say,"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "savers are losers. You know, it's a"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "little harsh to say it, but it is true."}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "is and we were actually having this"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:00", "text": "conversation last night at dinner with"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "my son because he's got his lawnmowing"}, {"start": "00:36:00", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "money that he keeps in his drawer and"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "I'm like buddy you need to get that out"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "of your drawer and you need to get it"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "into the markets. You need to start"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "investing that money because as and my"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "wife jumped in. She said savers are"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "losers and it's not like a derogatory"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "thing but it's the idea that the dollar"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "if you keep it in your mattress or keep"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "it in a drawer is losing value every"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "day. And even if you put it in some"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "crappy money market account where it's"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "not keeping up with inflation, it's"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "actually losing value every day that"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "it's not, you know, doing better than"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "that. Whereas gold, silver, Bitcoin,"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "etc. or real estate as a hedge against"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "inflation. So anyway, I just wanted to"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "interject there because I think it's"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "such an important point that you made"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "and a money market doesn't keep pace"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "with inflation. And I think it's"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "actually important to double click on"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "that just one second because for someone"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "that's not deep in the weeds of finance,"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "you might just look at the inflation"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "rate through CPI that you see on the"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "news. And that inflation rate, you might"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "say, well, our money market keeps pace"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "with that because money market maybe you"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "can get depending on the type of money"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "market or high yield savings account"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "you're in, it maybe you could get 3 4%"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "and you're seeing inflation at 3 4%. So"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "you feel like maybe you're keeping pace."}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "The problem is is that ultimately from a"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "financial perspective, the true rate of"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "inflation in my view is actually the"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "rate that dollars are being increased in"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "supply into the system. So the the rate"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "that dollars are being debased by the US"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "government and for the last about 100"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "years that's averaged about 7% per year."}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "is you need to be growing at greater"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "than 7%. And and so when we think about"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "the mindset of a saver today, um you"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "know, I think there's a you if you're"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "someone that doesn't want to do"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "research, they don't want to have a deep"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "finan conviction in the assets, then"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "gold's probably the easiest thing to buy"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "that actually is a scarce asset that"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "will benefit. Um, Bitcoin is more"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "volatile, uh, but also has more more"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "ability to not just keep pla keep keep"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "pace with that rate of of debasement,"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "which on average gold does, but actually"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "accelerate it as an emerging monetary"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "scarce asset. Uh, but it comes with the"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "cost of volatility, right? Uh, Bitcoin"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "to your point is up a lot over the last"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "week. Um, but it's also much more"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "volatile. So you have to have a heavy"}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "stomach. And I think that heavy stomach"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "comes with a almost requirement if"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "you're putting a lot of your money in"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "that to actually understand the dynamics"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "that you're investing in. Otherwise,"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "what you'll see is that people will sell"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "it when it's low because they start to"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "worry that maybe maybe they invested in"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "a Ponzi or something that's worth"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "nothing, right? And so I think through"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "education and hard work, you can get"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "comfortable with a higher allocation to"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "Bitcoin, which is what we've done as a"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "company, but then we try to even amplify"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "Bitcoin's exposure. So like our common"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "stock is one of, if not the most"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "volatile stocks in all of the US capital"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "markets. Um but it's by design because"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "of this structural"}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "uh thesis that we see playing out over"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "the next several years where we don't"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:23", "text": "even want to take to you know make it"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "through this monetary change. We want to"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "maximize returns and so um that's that's"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "how we see the world and we see it very"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "clearly and very comfortably. But I"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "think it if you don't have that"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "conviction and that knowledge, I don't"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "think I I think it's almost too wild of"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "a ride for for some people."}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:43", "text": ">> So maybe that brings me to the point"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "about digital currency and onchain."}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "This idea of everything being on the,"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "you know, on the blockchain, everything"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "all transactions being sort of tracked"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "in that way. And that's the move that"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "we're going to see, I think, in the"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "United States. Um,"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "you know, we've had Katherine Austin"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "Fitz on the show who believes that we're"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "moving towards this, you know, all"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "digital currency, although she really"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "tries to fight back against that in form"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "of making sure you're transacting in"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "cash. Um, she's starting to see some"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "structural cracks to that in Europe"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "where there are countries who are going"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "back to cash now um away from this all"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "digital future. So, it's an interesting"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "moment, I think, to your point, maybe"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "even at the beginning, like where we're"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "heading with like an all digital"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "currency. Um, where will Bitcoin sit in"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "that? Will there be a a USbacked stable"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "coin that's backed by the US dollar that"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "Americans will transact in? Like, what"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "does that future look like to you from"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "where you sit?"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "And you know that extends to AI. It"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "extends to the flock cameras. It extends"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "to digital currencies, right? That we've"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "lived through the era of COVID and we've"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "seen the risks of allowing a government"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "basically to cancel you and shut you off"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "and the pressure they can put on private"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "corporations and I am very sensitive to"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:19", "text": "that risk. Um, and so I think that that"}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:21", "text": "type of a a concern is is legitimate."}, {"start": "00:41:19", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "Um, but I guess, you know, coming back"}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "to the, you know, you you can what do I"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "think the direction we go? I do think we"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "do move to a digital dollar. Um, I do"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "think that, you know, the the fin the"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "the political winds in the country scare"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "me of, you know, who could be uh in"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "office next. I guess we'll we'll see uh"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "where that ultimately goes. But, you"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "know, with AI, the destruction of the"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "dollar, I think, you know, our the rest"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "of our lives are going to be very"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "interesting and I don't think it's going"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "to be calm waters over the course of"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "those next several decades. Uh, but I"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "guess ultimately, um, you know, I do"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "like we go to a digital dollar. I think"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "this kind of gets into things we"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "probably don't have to fully time to"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "fully go down, but just to maybe tease"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "them out a little bit. You know, we"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "don't know who created Bitcoin."}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "Obviously, Satoshi Nakamoto is an"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:17", "text": "anonymous figure. There's chatter of,"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "you know, who created Bitcoin was, and"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "this may not actually matter, but was"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "the US government involved in creating"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "Bitcoin? These are things CIA, was it"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "like a a Trojan horse, you know?"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:30", "text": ">> Yeah. But but I guess I guess you could"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "say I I think that there's actually"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "merit to that to that like that that"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "frame of thought of like did that"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "happen? We can't prove it. We don't"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "know. But whether it did happen or"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "whether that was not how it happened, I"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "think it almost doesn't matter because"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "the US is actually poised to benefit"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "more from a Bitcoin future if the dollar"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "is failing than a return to something"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "like gold. And and this is something"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "that that's important to kind of like"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "look into. So why is that? Because"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "way more gold is a percentage of overall"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "gold is held by places like China and"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "India than in the United States. And so"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "if you move back to a gold standard, the"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "United States loses massively relative"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "competitors from an international"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "perspective. And so the thought of"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "moving away from the dollar and back to"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "the gold standard is because the US"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "couldn't do it because of who's been"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "buying too much gold is unpalatable."}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "What I think would be palatable would be"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "a Bitcoin standard because most of the"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "Bitcoin is actually held within the"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:39", "text": "United States. And so that gets into"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "like what would that mean? What would"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "the United States do? and and there's a"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "lot of, you know, interesting"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "conversations that could be multiple"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "hour conversations there. But"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:47", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:49", "text": ">> if the dollar fails, you got to do"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "something, right? So, you could either"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "move to a gold standard, you could move"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "to a the new dollar or whatever the new"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "dollar is, you can move to a dollar"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "backed by Bitcoin versus just like"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "Bitcoin itself is currency, right? Like"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "like almost like a gold standard but for"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "Bitcoin or some form of iterations. But"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "when you actually play out the game"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "theory because most of the Bitcoin is"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "sitting in the United States, the US"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "will be strongest with a Bitcoin back"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "dollar than a gold back dollar. And so I"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "think that ultimately lends credence to"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "where I think this ultimately goes. And"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "then that could go as well if that's the"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "case well maybe the government was the"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "CIA was smarter or someone was smarter"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "and they created Bitcoin as kind of this"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "fail safe is like not necessarily that"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "they wanted to move to Bitcoin but it's"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "like hey what happens if the dollar"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "collapses we're screwed can't go back to"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "gold how do we create an offramp while"}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "trying to maintain the current status"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "quo I don't know it seems like an"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "interesting kind of conspiracy theory if"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "you want to call it that to to think"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "about uh but it does not result in the"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "US government banning Bitcoin and it"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:53", "text": "actually results in Bitcoin going up a"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "lot."}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:57", "text": ">> No, that's a really fascinating idea. I"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "hadn't thought about that and I haven't"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "heard that as a Bitcoin standard in the"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "United States, but it makes a lot of"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "sense. Um, the other thing that makes a"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "lot of sense and it seems like it's it's"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "happening is this US backed stable coin,"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "you know, as we move away from the pro"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "dollar and you're seeing obviously this"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "this emergence of these seven banks in"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "Europe that we reported here um last"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "week through our sources that well we"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "know Deutsche Bank already that was"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "public has now started to settle these"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "transactions in RMI uh working with"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "China. So Deutsche Bank was really one"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "of the the first but then you have these"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "other six other European banks which are"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "moving forward with what their"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "relationship with the BRICS bricks"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "nations um being able to have these"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:44", "text": "crossber transactions uh settled e maybe"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "even in the mirror system Russia's"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "mirror system which would be shocking"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "violating EU sanctions but they don't"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "seem to care about that so we'll see how"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "that all plays out uh but phase one of"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "that has already started um looks like"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "phase two could happen in the beginning"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "of next here with that connection to"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "bricks. So, the writing is on the wall"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "for like this pro dollar. So moving it"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "towards"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "some sort of a US stable coin dollar"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "and being able to bring in Latin"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "America, forcing them to have the US"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "Treasury dollars be the backing of these"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "stable coins and allowing these"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "countries to transact as their c as"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "their countries collapse be able to"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "sustain themselves by using US dollars"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:30", "text": "but through through a digital US stable"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "coin. What do you think about that as an"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "idea rather than Bitcoin, but it would"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "be backed by US treasuries, but in a in"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "a different way, in a digital way?"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:42", "text": ">> So, so I think that's the route it's"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "going to go and and you know, I was, you"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "know, because I as an American I I want"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "America to win. Um, and and so what does"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "America need? Well, if you're not going"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "to fix the debt crisis,"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:58", "text": ">> you need to find buyers of scale of US"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "treasuries. And so stable coins provide"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "a natural path where if you can expand"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "people that are users of US dollars"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "through stable coins, then the stable"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "coin issuers, they then invest those in"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "US treasuries, right? But then, you"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "know, you see through clarity, but you"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "can't pay the yield because if you pay"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "the yield, then there's going to be a"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "run on the banks, right? Because the"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "banks don't pay a yield. So, so that's"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "where, you know, the the fight with"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "clarity comes comes out. But basically,"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "they want to find new buyers of dollars."}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "And so the stable coins are that route."}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "And I think there's a decent chance that"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "that's successful in the near term. Um"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "but at what scale? It's not, you know,"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "again, the problem is that we have a"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "debt crisis in this country. So if you"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "if you expand use of the dollar, you"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "find some new incremental buyers of US"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "treasuries. Well, that's already needed"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "because we're losing the buyers, right?"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "Like you're losing, you know, large"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "countries that are becoming sellers of"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "US treasuries. So you kind of you got to"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "play this game of you know basically how"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "do we find a a sales team to go to go"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "sell dollars around the world right and"}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "and the hope is that stable coins become"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "that and and I think it can be but but"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "the problem is I think more structural"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "because if we did not have the debt"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "crisis then that becomes a long large"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "long long-term"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "buyer that would not be concerned about"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "the situation but when the situation's"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "bad eventually people are going to"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "realize they're being debased too. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "it's better than the country that"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "they're in, but it's still not good. And"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "so ultimately to me, all paths still"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "point down to if you don't fix the debt"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "crisis to Thomas Massiey's point, and I"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:39", "text": "don't think we will, then it's going to"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "break."}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "you know, one of the things that Strive"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "has done, which is, I think, a a great"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "alternative to the whole ESG"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "push, you know, um, that we saw from"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "Black Rockck, forcing these companies to"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "to do ridiculous things on the"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "environmental side and pushing pushing,"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "you know, oil companies and other"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "things, of course, away, you know, into"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "green energy and and all of these"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "things, which I think has been a"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "disaster. Um, you guys went the opposite"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "route. Um, where do you guys stand now"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "on that? Have we heard like the the end"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "of ESG? Um, or has it just kind of gone"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "dormant? You know, you're starting to"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "see Hollywood waking up to the fact that"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "people don't want certain narratives"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "pushed on them, so these movies have"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "collapsed. Like Hollywood's collapsed."}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "Like there seems to be like a changing"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "of things, but where do you see it?"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:29", "text": ">> Yes. So, I think I think there's there's"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "two different conversations here, two"}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "different routes you could go down. One"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "is from a investment perspective. So we"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "as an asset manager, we have a fiduciary"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "duty to maximize value and our company"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "was founded in 2022 because of the peak"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "in ESG and DEI and the destruction that"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "we saw that that was going to drive from"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "a shareholder return perspective."}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:55", "text": ">> And so because I mean that's actually"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "pretty remarkable because when everyone"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "flip on Bloomberg or CNBC and they're"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "all talking about wind farms and they"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "run all these stupid little packages all"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:05", "text": "the time. I come from the news world so"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "you know when I worked at Fox News but"}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "like we we run these like two or three"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "minute packages you know I'm here in"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:13", "text": "Belgian's wind farm Belgian's wind farm"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "and I'm you know standing on the beach"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "and I'm you know and this is what you"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "know shareholders have a future to look"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "forward to that's clean and whatever and"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "so there there's all this propaganda"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:25", "text": "that was being pushed and you guys"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "managed to see through that. How did you"}, {"start": "00:50:25", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "see that? Well, we we had a a rag tag"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "team of people from across the United"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "States that all saw it from different"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "seats. So, Strive was co-founded by Vet"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:41", "text": "Kraami. He saw it when he was a CEO of a"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "public company and he did not want to"}, {"start": "00:50:41", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "make a statement in support of George"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "Floyd during that incident and it caused"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "him to have to resign from his company"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "and because he as the leader said I'm"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "not getting involved in this. This is"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "not gerine to our business. He didn't"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "agree with it on a personal basis, but"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:50:58", "text": "it but more importantly is just like"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "what does this have to do with our"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:03", "text": "business? And that caused kind of an"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "uproar of amongst his board and large"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "investors and he just said, \"I'm out,"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "right? I'm I'm I'm I'm a sovereign"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "individual. Like I've made it. I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "you can't buy me to say that.\" And so he"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "left and wanted to tackle the issue. I"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "saw the issue at Kalpers because there"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "was a a strong ESG and DEI mandate from"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "our board. Interestingly, the board was"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "majority appointed by California"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "politicians. So, not elected by the"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "retirees, right, but appointed by the"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "politicians. And so, there was a"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "political push down into the"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "organization to breach fiduciary duty."}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "And I saw this so clearly and I pushed"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "back on it. And initially it was kind of"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "like as almost like a marketing thing,"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "like political marketing thing there."}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:47", "text": "But then what I saw and why I became so"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "concerned so initially that was my view."}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "And then around the time of COVID, you"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "started to see all these large"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "corporations around the world, we all"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "saw this, make these crazy claims about,"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "you know, net zero, the environment, oil"}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "companies basically saying they're going"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:03", "text": "to shut down DEI mandates, right? Just"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "like wild stuff. And it was like, oh my"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "gosh, like this is not for me. I was"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "like, this is not just marketing. This"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "is actually killing"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "capitalism in this country, killing the"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "free markets. And we have a retirement"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "crisis. I just can't do this. And so all"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "of the initial employees at Stripe all"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "saw this from different seats. We all,"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "you know, packed up, moved to Ohio, and"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "and tacked this problem. And when we did"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "in 2022, I mean, the consensus was"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "you're crazy. You have no chance of"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "winning. Like, like, but what we quickly"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "saw was it was a house of cards. And so"}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "you started talking to these executives"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "and when you actually could get them in"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "a room and have a real conversation, it"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "was like, \"Yeah, we don't agree with"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "this.\" It's just like, but we have to"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "because we're being pushed by, you know,"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "so it's like"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:51", "text": ">> Black Rockck or whatever."}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Larry Frink makes a phone call or,"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "you know, or sends one of his famous"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "letters"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "uh, you know, to whatever to Nike or"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "whatever and suddenly you're on board"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "with this whole DEI push. It's crazy."}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:08", "text": ">> It was. And so I guess where do I think"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "we are now? And so in late 2024 when"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "Trump won the re-election, we kept our"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:17", "text": "ETFs open. They still vote and engage"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "the exact same way we had. We had always"}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "have, but we saw our position move from"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "more of a contrarian position to more of"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "a consensus position, right? like the"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "things that you couldn't say or you be"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "or you'd become cancelled become things"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:32", "text": "that you could say and you could say"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "loudly largely I think from a lot of"}, {"start": "00:53:32", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "different reasons but one of the major"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "reasons was Elon Musk buying X and"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "actually allowing free speech to return"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "to X and a lot of Silicon Valley leaders"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "becoming more vocal in hey DEI is crazy"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "these sorts of things and then and then"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "one more important thing was that the US"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "Supreme Court made um using race or"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "gender as illegal for college"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "admissions. Okay, so this was really"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:02", "text": "important in the DEI push because in"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "corporate America when we would send"}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "letters to general counsel be like this"}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:08", "text": "is a risk to your business. You are"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "engaging in in race-based or"}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "gender-based hiring decisions that is"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "racist or that is sexist. Not not that"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "is, you know, reverse racist. No, it's"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "just racist to hire someone based on"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "their race. And they would respond back,"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "you know, initially like, you know,"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "basically like, you know, get lost. And"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "then after that Supreme Court decision,"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "we attached that and said there is a"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "Supreme Court precedence. You are going"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "to get sued and you are going to lose a"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "lot of money. And then what we heard"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "back overwhelmingly was we no longer"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "have those hiring practices in place."}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "And so,"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "you know, is it dormant? Yeah, I I guess"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "that's that's kind of, you know, tough"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "to say, but from us as a as an asset"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "manager, when you're getting active"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "responses back that like we do not have"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "those hiring practices in space in in"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "place versus previously get lost and you"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "see the vibes in this country, that"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "becomes a harder, you know, we stand"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "against ESG, we stand against DEI, we"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "stand for capitalism, we stand for"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "meritocracy. That becomes a harder thing"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "on itself to grow, you know, a billion"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:13", "text": "dollar business off of. So, we still"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "have those ETFs going and we have a lot"}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "of and I and I think they're still"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "important because, you know, even though"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:21", "text": "you see some shift backs from places"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "like Black Rockck where maybe we vote"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "more similar today than we did a few"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "years ago, they're they just kind of"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "move with the wind. And so, you know, if"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "AOC was president, they're going to go"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:35", "text": "right back to full ESG mode, right?"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "Where a strong foundational asset"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "manager I still think is a better"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "solution. So it's, you know, we have"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "about $3 billion of assets under"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "management. It's, you know, it's big,"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:46", "text": "but it's small at the same time. Um,"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "and, you know, we felt that with the"}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "fiscal situation in the United States"}, {"start": "00:55:48", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "that, um, Bitcoin was the biggest"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "opportunity that we had."}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:56", "text": ">> So, if I, you know, get you out of here"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "on this, Matt, where do you see things"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "over the next year? If you had to look"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "out, I mean, we're going to go through"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:03", "text": "the midterms here in November."}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "you're seeing what the Treasury is doing"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "right now, declaring this sort of"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "economic D-Day for Iran."}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "Uh, you know, I don't know. It all seems"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "like theater right now. Uh, but as we as"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "you look out from your business and you"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "you don't get involved in the politics"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "obviously, but the politics move a lot"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "of needles sadly. Where do you see"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "things going in the economy over the"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "next year?"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "Yeah, I'm I'm going to lay out a clear"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "base case, but you know, we think about"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:32", "text": "the world in probabilities. And so this"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "would just be if you had to say what do"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "you think is the most likely scenario to"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:38", "text": "play out? I think it is that uh"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "currently the actions of the Treasury"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "will be tested. Long-term yields will"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "move higher. Um and they will move"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "higher and basically until things break."}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:52", "text": "I think that will be in the realm of a"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:55", "text": "you know 525 575 10ear. um they'll step"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "in basically do it won't be QE but"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:56:59", "text": "basically enter massive QE um during"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "that period I think there's going to be"}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "a lot of volatility and risk assets and"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "ultimately I think uh everything with"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "risk especially scarce assets will move"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "much higher over the course of the next"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "12 to 18 months and I think it's a"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "really unique backdrop and I uh you know"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "I'm very excited about it from our"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:20", "text": "company's perspective from as an"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "American I uh I wish uh we didn't have"}, {"start": "00:57:20", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "to go through this."}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": ">> Yeah. No, well said. But we got to"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:27", "text": "protect ourselves and you know, and our"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:29", "text": "politicians aren't going to do it. So,"}, {"start": "00:57:27", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "we need to protect our families. And if"}, {"start": "00:57:29", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "having some of these assets, if if you"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "just like buy some Bitcoin and you don't"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "look at it, you put it away in a cold"}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "storage wallet. You just keep it for 5"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "10 years and, you know, hopefully it"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "doubles in value. Who knows? Exactly."}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "Same with gold and silver. I don't look"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "at it every day. Um, I hate to ask you"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:51", "text": "for price targets, but you know, I kind"}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "of want to. Do you have any idea where"}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:55", "text": "you see Bitcoin going? Maybe gold and"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "silver going over the next year?"}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:58:00", "text": ">> Yeah. Um the next year is is a little"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "hard. I I'll say maybe over the next"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "call it four to five years. Um I think"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "Bitcoin is over half a mill half a half"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "a million dollars a coin pretty easily."}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:13", "text": ">> Um I think bit I think gold and silver"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "are also substantially higher. But but"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "it's important like how do you have to"}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:22", "text": "view it as as an investor? the dollar is"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "being debased and so a dollar will buy a"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "lot less in that version of the world as"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "well. Right? So it's not the dollar that"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "you see today,"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "but you as an investor or someone"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "protecting your family have to make sure"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "you preserve your hard-earned wealth"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "from your your hard work into the"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:42", "text": "future. And I think it will be really"}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:46", "text": "really higher prices for these scarce"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "assets. But um also with a debasing uh"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "US dollar that's probably going to be"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "debasing quicker over the next four to"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "five years than it has over the previous"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "15."}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:58", "text": ">> Wow. Half a million dollars a coin in a"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "four to five years. I mean you saw this"}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "incredible run up even just over the"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "past few days up 26% from like what 60"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "up to 80. Uh it's it's insane. But from"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:10", "text": "your mouth to God's ears. Matt Cole has"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "been my guest. Thank you so much for"}, {"start": "00:59:10", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "your time today. This has been a really"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "interesting discussion about where we"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "are, where we're headed. Really"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "appreciate your time. Where can people"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "find and learn more about, you know,"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "different investing strategies at Strive"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "and ETFs and everything else you guys"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:27", "text": "offer."}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:31", "text": ">> The best way is uh just follow me on X"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "Colemro C mro or our company at Strive."}, {"start": "00:59:31", "end": "00:59:36", "text": ">> Awesome, Matt. Thank you so much."}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:37", "text": ">> Thanks for having me."}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:39", "text": ">> Thank you so much for watching Redacted."}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "We'd love for you to subscribe to the"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:43", "text": "channel. It's totally free if you want"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "to follow us or subscribe. And if we"}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "brought you any value at all, please"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "consider sharing this video with a"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "friend or a loved one on social media."}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "Thanks so much and we'll see you next"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "New leaked footage shows Israeli leaders"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "calling to go scorched earth on their"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "own people on October 7th. This is"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "what's known as the Hannibal directive."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "And yet, Israel continues to produce"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "highly edited films about what happened"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "to them on October 7th without taking"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "responsibility for what they actually"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "did. Ben Swan is an investigative"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "journalist and the host of America Now."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "He's been reporting this for years. He"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "knew right away that Israel attacked its"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "own people and he explains this footage."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Thank you so much for joining me. I"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "really enjoyed your report. Can you tell"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "us what this footage shows and how it"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "plays into what you've known for years"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "about the Hannibal Directive?"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely, Natalie. Thanks for"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "having me on. Uh there's a couple of"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "things I think that are very interesting"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "about this. You know, we we came across"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "this footage, as you mentioned, uh"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "recently. Two years ago, we were"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "reporting on the Hannibal Directive and"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "trying to explain to people what was"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "happening. um specific to"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "the attack on the Nova Musa Festival on"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "October 7th, the claims that the Israeli"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "government made that that these attacks"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "that happened came strictly from Hamas"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "that all the Israeli deaths were at the"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "hands of Hamas and therefore it"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "justified"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "the aggressive and violent and almost"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "barbaric response from Israel, right?"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "Because they had to respond in some way"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "to these to these monsters. But when you"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "start looking at the evidence of what"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "happened that day, there's a lot wrong"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "with the official narrative and the"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "Hannibal Directive is just part of that."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "So, let's talk about that part. You"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "asked about specifically new footage."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "Let me tell you about the new footage"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "and then I'll back up and kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "explain where this all comes from. But"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "the new footage is essentially a"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "documentary film crew that happened to"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "be there on October 7th kind of in the"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "situation room, if you will, as the"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "Israeli government is responding to the"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "attacks from Hamas. Why would they have"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "a documentary film crew standing by"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "recording all this? Who knows? No one's"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "explained exactly why that was the case."}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "Why Binge was being followed around by a"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "documentary film crew, but he was. And"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "so there they are, you know, there's"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "this situation room moment and they're"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "all kind of sitting there and they're"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "talking about um the attack that's"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "happening and specifically hostages who"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "have been taken including Israeli"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "soldiers who have been taken hostage and"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "and the fact that they are now there's"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "this line of cars on a highway uh"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "leaving the Nova Music Festival. And so"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "when Bengavir is asked about what they"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "should do, he says, uh, break it all"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "apart along with the soldiers who were"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "abducted."}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": ">> Break it all apart along with the"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "soldiers who were abducted."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Now that is the Hannibal directive. He"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "doesn't say the words Hannibal"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "directive, but that is the Hannibal"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "directive. So the Hannibal directive for"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "people who don't know is the concept is"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "based on the the general from Carthage,"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "Hannibal, right? And the concept is"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "because Hannibal refused to be taken"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "prisoner and would rather commit suicide"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "and have his soldiers commit suicide"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "than be taken prisoner because there"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "would be no prisoner swaps and no PS."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "That's that's the concept. And so the"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "idea for the Hannibal directive is that"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "years ago"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "Hamas would come over and they would"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "they would kidnap Israeli soldiers."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "Right? There was one case in particular."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "I think they took 10 or 12 Israeli"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "soldiers hostage and in exchange they"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "got a thousand prisoners back in"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "exchange. Right. And at a certain point"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "the Israeli government made a decision"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "and this is not this is a factual"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "historical record. Made a decision to"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "say we're not doing that anymore. We're"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "not going to allow these hostage"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "negotiations to take place. We're not"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "going to trade soldiers for prisoners."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "And so they instituted something called"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "the Hannibal Directive. And the concept"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "is if a soldier is taken hostage, you"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "kill the hostage takers. And if the"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "hostage dies, the hostage dies. But we"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "would rather kill our own one soldier or"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "10 soldiers than hand back a thousand"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "prisoners that we've captured. That is"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "the concept behind the Hannibal"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "directive. Um, and so on October 7th, we"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "now have this documentary footage, by"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "the way, where when when Bing realizes"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "he's being recorded, he asks, \"Wait, are"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "you recording and are you filming me?\""}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "He says, and he says, \"You can film me"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "when I give you permission. Please take"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "this off. Turn this off.\" And they"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "turned it off, the camera off at that"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "point, but he'd already said what he had"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "said, which was, \"Break it all apart"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "along with the soldiers who have been"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "abducted.\" The Hannibal directive says,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "\"We will we will kill whoever we have to"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "kill, Israeli citizens, soldiers,"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "whoever we have to in order to prevent"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "there from being um this this attempt to"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "take hostages and have a negotiation.\""}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "Um, so going back two years when we had"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "looked at it, we had said clearly the"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "Hannibal directive has been instituted."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "Um, by the way, YouTube took down our"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "video, Facebook took down our video, V"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "Vimeo deleted it off their servers. They"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "wouldn't even allow us to have the video"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "stored uh on their servers because we"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "mentioned the handle directive. That's a"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "conspiracy theory. That's not a real"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "thing. Um, this is, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "anti-semitic to claim that Israel does"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "this is anti-Semitical. Israel has a"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "directive that they have"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> that they're on the record for Hab and"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "it's so much on the record that as of"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "2016 they officially declared they would"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "no longer use the Hannibal directive"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "because it was too barbaric."}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": ">> So there's there's no historical"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "question about the fact the Hannibal"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "directive existed. The question is the"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "right question would be are they still"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "using it on October 7th? How do we know"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "they used it? Because when when Hamas"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "came across the border, remember they"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "came across in these little like fan"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "planes, makeshift fan planes to get"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "across. They crawled underneath the"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "gates. They came over on motorcycles."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": ">> We had um interviewed a family that left"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "just before October 7th because they"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> they felt threatened by their own"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "government and they thought something"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "bad's going to happen. They just knew it"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> and so they left. But they had families"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "still in Israel. And there were reports"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "that Hamas came over on donkeys."}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "Literally donkeys."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> So yeah, that you can't actually"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "vaporize a freeway on a donkey. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "I haven't tried, but I'm pretty sure you"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "can't."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> Pretty sure you can't. You can't"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "vaporize a freeway full of cars with"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "AK-47s either. You can shoot them up,"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "but you can't burn them. and and and the"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "claim that even if you if you shoot"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "those cars and they blow up, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "because the fuel tanks blow up, it"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "doesn't melt the engine block. A burned"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "out car is not the same as a melted car"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "and melted engine blocks, which is what"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "we saw. Well, what can do that? Well,"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "Apache Hellfire missiles can do that."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "The kind that are on Israeli"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "helicopters. And so when you see this"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "line of cars, this highway coming out of"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "the Nova Festival that was burned, which"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "Hamas was blamed for, Israel said,"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "\"Well, this is what Hamas did to us.\""}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "And therefore, again, it"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "creates a a"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "reason and a justification"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "for how we're going to respond in Gaza."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "Um, but it was very clear at the time it"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "was a Hannibal directive, and I think"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "this video um demonstrates that it was"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "as well."}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "Well, you can see what happened when"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "there were hostages to exchange. This"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "was Hamas's intention is we will"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "exchange your people from ours. And it"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "drew the attention of the world to the"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "fact that Israel detains"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "women, children, young men on the basis"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "of what they call administrative"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "detention without charge or trial. And"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "now they're moving towards executing"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "them, which I guess is further useful"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "because they cannot exchange these"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "prisoners if they just put them to"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "death. And so, you know, I don't like to"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "I just use the term prisoner. They're"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "they're not they're not charged with"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "anything. We don't know that they're"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "criminals. They just take them off the"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "streets. So, they are hostages, too. And"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "this was really bad for Israel, for us"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "to for those of us who didn't know. I I"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "knew, but for many people who didn't"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "know just how many people were in"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "Israeli custody. Right."}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> Right. No, I think that's that's"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "absolutely true. I The problem that"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "Americans have is that the way we've"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "been sold the concept of Israel as a"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "government um as a political entity"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "is as if this is an offshoot of the"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "United States of America. It is not."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "Israel does not have a constitution like"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "the United States has. Israel does not"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "have freedom of speech. Israel does not"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "have the the requirement um that you"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "face your accuser in court um due"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "process laws. They don't have those"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "things like we do in the United States."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "And so Americans who hear about this,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "they make assumptions. Oh, well, in"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "Israel, I'm sure it's the same as it is"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "here. You would assume so. It's not. And"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "so when you see the number of prisoners"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "who are taken, when you see um the way"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "that people are are captured, uh"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "executed on the streets,"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": ">> young men who are just shot to death and"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "with soldiers standing around them"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "smoking right as they die, it there's no"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "followup afterwards. There's no"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "investigation. There's no body that's"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "been, you know, um established in Israel"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "to say we need to make sure that there"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "aren't human rights abuses taking place."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "I mean, these are all Americanized"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "concepts that we are we are assuming to"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "be true of Israel that are not true of"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "Israel."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": ">> Have you ever looked at the day's big"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "investment stories and wished that you"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "got in earlier? Maybe it was AI or"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "SpaceX. It seems like every time you"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "find out someone's talking about it,"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "it's too late for you to get in and make"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "money. But what if the next opportunity"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "isn't the headline, it's what's making"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "the headlines possible? I'm talking"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "about silver. Silver is a critical"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "material behind the AI revolution. 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Call them"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "800613-33557"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "or go to leerredacted.com."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "One more time, that's leerredacted.com."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "You know, the the presence of this film"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "crew, it forces us to ask how much they"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "knew. Now, I was in Egypt on October"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "7th, and the Egyptian government was"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "saying, \"We've been warning you. We've"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "been warning you all along, and it"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "happened. We don't know why you didn't"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "do anything about it.\" And now we see"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "these interactive experiences, these"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "traveling shows like a King Tut exhibit,"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "but it's called the October 7th"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "experience, highly edited,"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": ">> a lot of footage from that day. How can"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "you not be suspicious that they already"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "had a film crew in place? And, you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "talk about how they're using this"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "narrative in a really disrespectful way"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "to the actual victims on both sides of"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "that day."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, if I can speak to the the"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "Egyptian part. So, uh there is a record,"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": ">> right? Historical record."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:50", "text": ">> That Egypt absolutely warned"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "uh Israel about this almost 2 years"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "before it happened."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> Yes. The thing is, Israel had the"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "blueprint for the October 7th attacks"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "because of IDF and Mossad agents um who"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "were basically undercover with Hamas"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "were able to get the access to these"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "documents and they knew almost 2 years"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "in advance this was coming. In fact, in"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "our original reporting, so we did a"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "basically a seven-part series on October"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "7th. Hannibal director was one of those"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "seven. But one of them we explain"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "essentially how this whole thing began"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "in the first place which is that Israel"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "knew about it two years in advance. They"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "created an entire division of the IDF"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "that was focused on nothing but"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "preparing for this attack because they"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "knew it was coming. They they did not"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "know the exact day it was coming. They"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "didn't know it was October 7th, but they"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "knew roughly when it would be. And by"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "the way, everything in those plans that"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "was published even at the time um and"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "and some of the Israeli media knew about"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "that Hamas followed it to a tea. But"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "you're talking about the donkeys and the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "motorcycles and the little, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "makeshift fan planes that they're flying"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "over the border. Exactly what they were"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "planning to do. Hamas was running"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "exercises just across the border right"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "from where that Nova Music Festival was"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "held. They were running that for months."}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "They were running exercises people who"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "live there. So remember in Israel so"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "many people serve in the IDF at some"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "point, right? And all these people who"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "were living along that border were"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "making record and contacting the"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "government to say we can see them."}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "They're they're practicing kidnapping"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "soldiers. They're practicing kidnapping"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "people. They're practicing getting"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "across the border."}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "It got to the point that in the area"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "where this was all happening that the"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "Israeli government made it illegal for"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "average citizens to have um the radios"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "to listen to the traffic because they"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "could listen to the traffic and knew"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "exactly what Hamas was doing. They could"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "hear it. And so they made it illegal for"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "them to listen to radio traffic in those"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "communities. Wait. So,"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "okay. You can't say you represent your"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "own people if you're preventing your own"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "people from knowing about an impending"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "attack on them. That's diabolical. You"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "can't know this. You have to be the"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "bait. Is there any other way to see"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:18", "text": ">> That's exactly what they they knew that"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "these communities were going to be"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "attacked. They were preparing for it."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "None of it's hidden. That's the other"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "thing is all this was was there's so"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "much record of this when we did this"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "series. You know, one thing that was"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "fascinating to me, we did not use a"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "single source that was not Israeli."}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "Every single source we used was Israeli"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "reports, government reports, and Israeli"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "media. And all of it was right there."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "The the public should have known, they"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "could have known, and many times in"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "cases they did know this was happening,"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "and they were threatened. If you if you"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "contacted the IDF and said, \"We see this"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "happening. We know something's going to"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "happen here. People were being"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "threatened with the government with"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "arrest"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "for making these reports."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "They knew it was coming. They needed it"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "to happen. So, so the the misnomer is"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "did Israel cause October 7th? No. Did"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "Israel know October 7th was going to"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "happen? Yes. Did they allow it to happen"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "for their other purpose? Absolutely. The"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "record, I think, absolutely shows that."}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "And there is an outrage, an outcry"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "inside of Israel that we're not allowed"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "to know about because many Israelis"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "understand that they were used as bait"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "in order to justify this uh continued"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "aggression and clearing out of Gaza."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:44", "text": ">> Um it's just largely ignored or they"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "call these people fringe,"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:50", "text": ">> but they they can't they can't break out"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "now. We have such a wall around the"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "information there. You know, I don't"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "know if you saw the the documentary that"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "was on Tucker the Tucker Carlson network"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "about the Netanyahus,"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:04", "text": ">> but Benjamin Netanyahu does admit that"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "he funds Hamas through indirect"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "channels."}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:07", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": ">> And so, I don't think that this is"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "controversial anymore."}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "Um, it's interesting that you were"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "punished for saying it two years ago and"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "it's it's upsetting. I mean, we we had"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "to abide by similar rules around the war"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "in Ukraine um early on. We couldn't say"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "that Ukraine was attacking their own"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "people. That was literally in YouTube's"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "terms of service. Now you can say that"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": ">> because it's true."}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": ">> So who's setting these rules of what"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "we're allowed to know, who we can"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "sympathize with? What do you think about"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "this?"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously this is"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "the biggest problem with tech companies"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "is we don't know who makes these"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "determinations, who's telling the"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "algorithm what you can and cannot say,"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "who's telling because so many of the"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "flags that come up, so many of the the"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "when the shadow bands hit you, so much"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "of that"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "is created by the algorithm and enforced"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "by the algorithm, not by a human. There"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "isn't a human watching and say, \"Oh, you"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "mentioned the Hannibal directive.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "someone's already putting this"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "information in there. anyone who"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "mentions Hannibal directive, it"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "automatically is just purging that"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "content, suppressing it and and removing"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "it. Um, as you said, same thing with"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "Ukraine, same thing with anything about"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "vaccines on YouTube or Google, right?"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "You you if you mention anything, uh,"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "they remove you. And so,"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "it's it's very frustrating that that"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "that happens because so much of this"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "again isn't it isn't even done in hiding"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "anymore. so much of what happened on"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "October 7th. There's a there's a third"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "thing I actually would like to mention"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "um which is you know Israel knew"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": ">> they didn't stop it but they absolutely"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "knew again we we absolutely prove that"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "the Hannah war was absolutely used but"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "the third thing is the standown order"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "there was absolutely a standown order"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "that was made that essentially would not"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "allow IDF soldiers to go into the Kabutz"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "communities that were under attack while"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "Hamas was in those communities. Um, they"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "absolutely stood down. Remember, Israel"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "was a country the size of New Jersey."}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "The original Nova attack happened around"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "6 or 7 o'clock in the morning. There are"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "kabutz communities that were being"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "basically held hostage and people were"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "being attacked and killed in those"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "communities where IDF soldiers showed up"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "on the outside of those communities and"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "stayed outside until 5:00, 6:00, one of"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "them 1000 p.m. at night. They did not go"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "in until then. There is reports from IDF"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "soldiers who say that they there was a"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "group of them that defied their"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "commander who told them to stand down"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "and wait. They got in their truck and"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "they just headed out. They were probably"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "about they said an hour or two from one"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "of those communities. So they just"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "headed there. And the soldier writes"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "about this and says we assumed that when"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "we hit the highway it was going to be"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "nothing but military vehicles headed to"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "the rescue. We were the only ones."}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "There's nobody else going. And so"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:57", "text": ">> were they punished? Do you know if they"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "were punished?"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:00", "text": ">> I don't know. I actually don't know um"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "what happened with because again this is"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "a this was a statement he had made to a"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "reporter in Israel who had had um"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "catalog I I didn't speak to in person."}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": ">> But the"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "the fact that Israel knew what was"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "happening, the fact that they would kill"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "their own and and not allow them to be"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "taken hostage is already a horrific"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "thing. But to know that your people are"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "also being attacked and dying and you"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "give the order, let it happen. Right. In"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "fact, and this is also oops frustrating"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "and horrifying, but maybe not too"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "surprising once you start to see the"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "pattern here. Israel was already"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "conducting operations in Gaza,"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "attacking sites in Gaza"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "on October 7th before going into many of"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "those Kub communities."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "That's that was their response. Rather"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "than going in and rescuing the people"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "who were being attacked and being"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "killed, their own people, they were"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "already conducting operations inside of"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "Gazi."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": ">> I don't think I knew that. Okay. How do"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "we know that? And"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:03", "text": ">> because you can look at the timeline."}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "You can look at the timeline."}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:06", "text": ">> They started right away."}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:10", "text": ">> They started right away. We we know that"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "by 10 10 or 11:00 in the morning,"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": ">> there were already operations taking"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "place where targets were being struck"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "inside Gaza by the Israeli military."}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "There are Kabud's communities that at"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "5:00, 7:00, and 10 p.m. at night, IDF"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "soldiers had still not gone into."}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. And so that's that's not the"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "social contract of a government."}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": ">> You are used as bait and we will go and"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "get our aggression that we've been"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "wanting all along."}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:44", "text": ">> It I it's it's outrageous to think that."}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "I mean, who's anti-semite here? They"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "don't care about their own people. then"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "they don't care about the lives of"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "Jewish lives or anything like that."}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "That's just our social contract is such"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "that we pay taxes, we abide by the laws"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "of the government in order for them to"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "provide us basic safety and security"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "infrastructure and and that's not a"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "thing there. And that's you know that's"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "why you do see and again this is"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "something the media won't let us know"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "about. There is an exodus of Israelis"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "from Israel. There are people, you know,"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "I think this is worth commenting on"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "because otherwise the general sentiment"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "of the population that sees this thinks"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "that all Israelis are complicit and they"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "are not. And I think it's important to"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "make that distinction. They are afraid"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "of what their government has done. I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "sure they understand they were used as"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "bait and they leave. We've had them on"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "the show before. There are many. It's"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "not a,"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": ">> you know,"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "a culture of mono thought, even though"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "there are Israelis who"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:44", "text": ">> support the extremist government of"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "Netanyahu. Right."}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:51", "text": ">> Sure. Well, and and the other thing is"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "how how do you even know uh who in the"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "public is against it? Because again, as"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "I mentioned earlier, they they don't"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "have free speech in Israel. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "there's videos. We just put up a video"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "the other day of it was a group of young"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "men who were protesting"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "the war in Gaza and and Israel moving"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "into Lebanon. They went into the street"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "to protest and they were just beaten"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "bloody with batons by IDF soldiers,"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "right? They're on the ground just just"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "beating the hell out of these guys. Um"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "because you're not allowed to protest"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "publicly there. So, how do you even know"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "where people stand when you don't have a"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "a"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "system built into your country that"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "allows for the protection not only of"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "speech as we do here in the United"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "States, but the right to protest. We,"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "you know, enshrined in the first"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "amendment of our constitution is that"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "right to protest or redress of"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "grievances. We actually have that built"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "into our system, but it doesn't exist"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "there. And so, if you stand up and say,"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "\"I'm against this. I'm I'm going to the"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "streets to say no more. This has to"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "stop. You know, you can find yourself in"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "prison. You're not allowed to do that"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "there. By the way, same is true of"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "Ukraine as well."}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": ">> Yes. And you can't leave. Um I've told"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "many times the story of Morai Venunu,"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "but I think it it's worth shouting from"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "the rooftops. He spoke to the press in"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "the 80s warning the world that Israel"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "had a nuclear program and that it was"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "secret even though it's the worst kept"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "secret in h in Hollywood in Washington"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "which is the same thing."}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh and he's been prosecuted,"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "thrown in jail many times, sought asylum"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "with European countries, denied asylum."}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "No one will let him leave. So, you know,"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "we don't know who the dissident are and"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "how they would be punished to the same"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "tune of the way that Palestinians are"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "pun punished. Um, so, you know, it's"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "it's just worth continuously reminding"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "ourselves that I'm sure it's really"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "terrible to live under the Netanyahu"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "government, too. You're not just like,"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "well, we're committing a genocide."}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "Life's great, right? I'm sure they're"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "afraid to"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": ">> Oh, without question. Listen, anybody"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "and and by the way, it's not just"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "Netanyahu, right? Because you know, at"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "one time was Naftali Bennett. Napali"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "Bennett wants to be prime minister"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "again."}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": ">> Um, and I know a lot of people are would"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "be excited to see Netanyahu gone."}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:16", "text": ">> Um, but sometimes the devil you know,"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "right, is better than the devil you"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "don't. And in the case of Naft Bennett,"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "I mean, he wants all out war with"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "Turkey, which looks like it may be on"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "the verge of happening now as well. And"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "so, um, but the people of Israel have no"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "say in anything. They have no say in"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "what their government is doing. They"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "they have they have no ability to stop"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "this from happening. They live under"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "right now um the bombings coming from"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "Iran um over the last few months they've"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "had to live under that. They've had to"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "live uh in a place where they don't know"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "where whether their government is"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "protecting them. And is all of this just"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "so that Netanyahu doesn't go to prison"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "so he can keep avoiding the court system"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "and he can keep avoiding these"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "corruption charges he's facing? Are"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "people living under that? Again, this is"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "something that as Americans, it's so"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "easy for us to to sit under this very"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "highly sanitized conversation about what"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "Israel is. Israel is the the shining"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "light on the hill, the the you know,"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "city on the hill that we can all look to"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "and say, \"Wow, there's there's God's"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "chosen people. Everything's great"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "there.\" When in fact, it's like the"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "country has enormous problems. And it is"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "I would not call it a democracy. uh and"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "even if it is a democracy, it is"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "certainly not u a constitutional"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "republic where the people and the laws"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "of the country protect the people from"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "the government. It is not that place."}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:44", "text": ">> No, you can't collect rainwater on your"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "roof. Water is considered the property"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "of the government."}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:52", "text": ">> Um let's take a a quick break. I want to"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "talk about the Samson option because if"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "current Israeli leaders are willing to"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "deploy the Hannibal directive, then more"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "extreme things are at foot here. So,"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "let's take a quick break and talk about"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "that in a second, please."}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "We want to tell you about our friends"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "over at ke.io. It is a secure messaging"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "system that you can use for your most"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "precious chats. 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In fact, they"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "ordered their deaths uh in large part."}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "Did Hamas kill Israelis? Absolutely. But"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "what how was Israel complicit in this?"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "How did they allow it to happen in order"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "to get the clearing out of Gaza that we"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "see now before our very eyes live"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "streamed? Now, we talked about the"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "Samson option, uh which is Israel's"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "nuclear doctrine that says that, you"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "know, if we're going down, we're going"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "to use the nuke. It's it's you know all"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "for one basically in in not the"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "honorable way. So do you can you tell us"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "about the Samson option? Do you think"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "that this is something that Israeli"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "leaders would deploy because we've seen"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "them do such demonic things?"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": ">> Well I yeah I think they absolutely"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "would deploy it. I think uh that one of"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "the reasons that the Trump"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "administration in many ways is being"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "held hostage. Now, that's not to take"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "away their responsibility for the"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "decisions they made in this war with"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "Iran, but one of the reasons it's so"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "hard for them to deal with Israel to"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "walk away from this thing is because"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "that option is absolutely on the table."}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "The problem that the United States has"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "is that if Israel decides to go with the"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "Samson option, which again goes back to"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "this this biblical reference, right, to"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "Samson at the end of his life, he's in a"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "temple. His hair is grown back, but he's"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "blind now. And he asks a little boy to"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "lead him to the center of the temple."}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "And he asks God, if you give me strength"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "one more time, and he pushes two"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "pillars, and the pillars come falling"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "down, the temple therein collapses. And"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "the scripture says that that in his"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "death that Samson kills more Philistines"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "than he did in his entire life, right,"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "in this one moment. And so that's kind"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "of the concept here. Would Israel"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "uh starting nuclear war? Absolutely. I"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "think they would. I think there's"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "there's no reason to believe that they"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "wouldn't based on everything that we"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "have seen so far. Again, if you have a a"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "position where you have a standown order"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "to say, \"Let our people die because we"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "can we can use this to our advantage.\""}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "If you have a Hannibal directive that"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "says, \"Kill all the hostages, including"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "our own soldiers,"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "because we're not going to negotiate"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "later. If you would do all of that, why"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "would you not use nuclear weapons if you"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "feel that you're cornered and you have"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "no no other option?\" And so I also"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "believe that others in the region know"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "that's true. That's the reason that I"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "think the Iranians have stopped hitting"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "Israel. Right? So they the Iranians have"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "taken a step back from they couldn't"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "continue to hit Israel"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "with uh ballistic missiles. They could"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "continue to hit Israel with hypersonic"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "missiles because they absolutely have"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "hypersonics. Um"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "but why have they done that? Why have"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "they stepped back from all this? And I"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "think the reason that they have is"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "because they know that if Israel is"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "cornered and has no other way out, that"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "will be the option that they ultimately"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "will deploy nuclear weapons. And and we"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "should point out that Pakistan has"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "already said if Israel uses a nuke, they"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "use a nuke."}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:09", "text": ">> North Korea has said if Israel uses a"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "nuke, we use a nuke. So we we right now,"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "you know, that what is that that you"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "know doomsday clock toward midnight? I"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "mean, we're closer than we've ever been."}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "We're standing on the edge where where"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "you literally have nuclear powers facing"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "each other right now saying who pulls"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "the trigger first because if you do I"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "will."}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:31", "text": ">> Yes. And you know we exist in the United"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "States. We don't know you know who would"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "hit us but we know that it could be a"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "domino effect. And so it's really hard."}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "It must be especially hard to live in"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "those regions, especially for Israelis"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "knowing that their government has openly"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "said we will bring about nuclear"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "destruction if we're leaving if we're"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "losing. And that means you that means"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "it's coming towards us. I don't you know"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "I don't know how you go about your"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "everyday life under a government with"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "that doctrine. It it must be incredibly"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "anxietizing. What do you think? I'm just"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "asking your sentiment here."}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:06", "text": ">> Yeah, I think that think that sounds"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "horrible, right? But I think we're"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "starting to find ourselves living under"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "that right now."}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:12", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": ">> Right. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:16", "text": ">> you vote for Trump,"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:19", "text": ">> which I did three times proudly."}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:21", "text": ">> Um, and now I look at it and think the"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "whole point of voting for him was so we"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "would not be in this position. The point"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "of voting for him is I truly believe"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "that if Kamla Harris becomes president"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "of the United States, we'll be facing a"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "nuclear war with Russia."}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:35", "text": ">> Mhm. Now instead it feels like the US is"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "cornered because we started a war with"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "Iran that we cannot win and and then you"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "have conversations happening now about"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "well maybe we use a tactical nuke you"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "know a limited nuclear strike Pandora's"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "box right once you open it you can't you"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "can't put it back in and so you cannot"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "play with this idea we'll just use a"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "little nuke we'll use a t listen a"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "tactical nuke today is stronger than the"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "atomic bombs that were used on Hiroshima"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "and Nagasak"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "It's not like we're just using a little"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "nuke. Um, and the idea that we're going"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "to blow up pickaxe mountain or some"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "location in Iran just to try to spook"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "them. Once you've done that, the whole"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "world's on alert and and everyone's"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "ready to to start firing at each other."}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "Uh, and now it becomes what we used to"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "call a Mexican standoff, right?"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "Everybody's got their their guns cocked"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "and loaded. You just need one person to"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "fire. Once one fires, you can't stop it."}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "It's it's a it's a chain reaction that"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "then takes place."}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": ">> I prefer a Scottish goodbye where we"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "just leave and don't tell anybody."}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:41", "text": ">> That's a good one."}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:44", "text": ">> Can you do that from a Mexican standoff?"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "Scottish goodbye."}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:48", "text": ">> It would definitely be preferable just"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "just turn around back out of the room"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "and say we're we're we're leaving. We've"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "got our own things to deal with and"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "we're not going to do this anymore."}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:57", "text": ">> Yes, I've perfected the Scottish"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "goodbye. So, you know, and it's so"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "interesting because if you paid"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "attention during the election,"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "you did in fact think that the Biden"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "administration was escalating with"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "Russia day by day. It very much felt"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "like that."}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:12", "text": ">> And President Trump said, \"Oh, I'm going"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "to fix it. I'm friends with Putin. It's"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "going to be all good.\" He wasn't telling"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "the truth about the war, but at least he"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "was making overtures."}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:23", "text": ">> But he was very much like, \"Israel"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "should stop this in Gaza. We should end"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "it.\" But he never condemned as Israel."}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "He never he was making waves about a"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "possible war with Iran. So was JD Vance."}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "Now it's interesting because the threat"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "in the Middle East is far bigger than"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "the threat with Russia. Now President"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "Putin is facing pressure inside his own"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "government for looking weak because he"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "has failed to be aggressive enough to"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "stop the war. The war is now, you know,"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "we're 3, four years in"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:57", "text": ">> and still going. The Russians are tired"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "of it. They they supported it at first."}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": ">> Y"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:03", "text": ">> uh and so, you know, I guess"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:06", "text": ">> it's really hard. It's it I don't know."}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "Should we blame ourselves for not"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "putting this properly on the scale?"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:14", "text": ">> What putting what on the scale? like"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "what we weighed for putting Trump in"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "office because Kla Harris did say"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "everything was on the table"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:21", "text": ">> for a war with Iran. So like I don't"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "know you know there's a lot of"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "influencers online like you should have"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "known Trump and absolutely I did know"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "that Trump was dangerous in the Middle"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "East but I also was very afraid of"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "another Democratic administration. So I"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "don't think we should blame the"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "electorate here the voters. Yeah, I I"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "think that the problem is if we still"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "have to go back in history and say so"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "where we are now with Iran is not good,"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "right? It's it's a it's a bad place to"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "be."}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "But where we could have been, I'd rather"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "be in the position we're in right now"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "dealing with Iran who is essentially"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "beating us in a war of attrition because"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "we ran out of missiles, can't fight"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "anymore. Now Trump's like, \"Economic"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "D-Day. That's what's next.\" Listen, how"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "do you how do you know you're out of"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "missiles? is when you now say instead of"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "blowing you up, we're going to sanction"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "you more and now you'll really feel it."}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "Okay, got it. So, I guess the the"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "reports that we've been doing about how"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "we don't have enough missiles actually"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "are accurate because that makes no"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "sense. But I would rather be in that"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "position than where I think NATO was"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "pushing us, which was an actual conflict"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "with Russia. The good thing about Iran"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "is Iran can't hit us. So, they can make"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "life very difficult in the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "They can force our bases to basically be"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "shut down um and and keep US soldiers"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "out of that region. They can do that."}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "They can hold the straight of moves for"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "for a while. They can do that."}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:51", "text": "Eventually, they'll charge tolls. It'll"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "be back open. But the difference between"}, {"start": "00:37:51", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "that and what we risked in facing a"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "nuclear armed Russia that has more"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "nuclear weapons than any other country"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "on the planet by a significant number."}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "I'd rather be in the position we're in"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "now. So, I still I guess I'll tell"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "myself it was the it was the right"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "choice."}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:11", "text": ">> Okay. I mean, I don't know what we're"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "going to do next because, you know, it's"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "clear to everyone that the wararmongers"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "are in charge of the uni party."}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "But what concerns me is this idea that,"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "you know, we're not going to lose in"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "Iran and then go, boy, we just shouldn't"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "do that anymore. Although there are some"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "reports that now the Trump"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "administration is considering reducing"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "presence in the region."}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:39", "text": ">> We possibly could say, \"Boy, we lost. We"}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "should never do that again.\" And then"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "dedicate our entire society to the"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "pursuit of war where all resources go"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "towards building bombs, all educational,"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "everything, right? Right. And then we"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "live in like"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:57", "text": ">> post-apocalyptic Hunger Games, Star"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "Wars, Terminator, where it's just our"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "whole society is"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:04", "text": ">> towards making sure this never happens"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "again. 1984. Um maybe I just consume too"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "much science fiction, but that's what"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "I'm afraid of, you know, from this"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "devastating loss. What do you think?"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:12", "text": ">> Well, I think it's actually the"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "opposite. I think it would have the"}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "opposite effect, which is so in some"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "ways, you know, Trump promised that he"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "was going to end the forever wars. What"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "if what if he actually did? not meaning"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "to, but what if he actually did? In that"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "the the public's appetite to continue"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "with this kind of war, the public's"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "appetite for this kind of mess um was"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "essentially gone, right? People are up"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "with it. They're they were sick and"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "tired of it. This is the most unpopular"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "war from its outset of any war in US"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "history, which means that the public"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "from the beginning, it was already"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "underwater saying, \"No, not again. We"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "don't want to do this.\" The positive of"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "that is is now that we've because we"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "gave away so many missiles to Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "who blew through all those stock piles"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "pack three instead missiles all the"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "interceptors are gone. The fact that"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "they've burned through all that and we"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "have so little left. Yes, there's going"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "to be a big push to say we've got to"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "restock and but that's going to happen"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "either way. I don't think what will"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "happen is that the country becomes"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "obsessed with we've just got to arm"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "ourselves and be prepared because the"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "truth is nothing that we've had in the"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "last few years has been for defense."}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "Americans are all for defense. I believe"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "that. I am. I'm all about we should have"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "enormous stockpiles of defensive um"}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "weapons and drones now. And yeah, I'm"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "all for it. But I don't want to take"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "those stock piles and then use them to"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "destroy countries around the world."}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "That's the mistake that we've been"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "making. And so my hope is is that this"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "has put not just Trump and the Trump"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "administration, but it's put every"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "lawmaker in such a bad position where"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "not only is the appetite not there, but"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "the capability to continue to do this"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "has now run out. It's going to take"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "decades to restock the the the missiles"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "we've gone through. as an example, pack"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "3es, right, which are the interceptors"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "using the Patriots."}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "It takes 2 years to build one and we"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "build only a thousand a year. Um, RAON,"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "I think, makes part of it. Loheed Martin"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "makes part of it. Those two companies"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "have an ambitious plan to increase the"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "number from 1,000 a year to 3,000 a year"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "by the year 2030."}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "That's how slow this process is. So,"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "you know, right now Pete Hexus is going"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "around saying, \"Hey, we need this once"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "this one-time generational investment of"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "a $ 1.5 trillion defense budget.\" I just"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "don't think there's any appetite for it."}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "I think the public doesn't like it. I"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "think you push that going into the"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "midterms, that's the best way to lose"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "lose seats in the House and the Senate"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "is push for we need massive massive"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "investment into war. We're Americans are"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "done with that."}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "Well, I like your optimism. I do. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "but the problem with that is that they"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "get it anyway. They ask for a defense"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "budget that's massive and they get it,"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:07", "text": ">> and so we cannot support it, but I don't"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "see a massive fallout from politicians,"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "but we haven't been through the midterm,"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "so maybe we'll just wait and see. Um, I"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "won't."}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:14", "text": ">> But yeah, we just don't know. We just"}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "don't know."}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:17", "text": ">> No. So,"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:19", "text": ">> um, I'm gonna take one more quick break"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "and then I want to ask you, what do you"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "think the reaction has been or should be"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "to this new leaked footage of that"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "showing that clearly Israel was"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "complicit and does not protect their own"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "people in October 7th. Uh, so maybe you"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "can think about that during the break"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "and then I'll see how you feel. I want"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "to tell you about Red Life, which is red"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "light therapy. Now, you may have noticed"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "that recently I'm wearing my reading"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "glasses less and less to host the show."}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "That's because I have been diligent with"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "my red light therapy. Now, you can find"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "out all about this by going to my"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:57", "text": "redlight.com/redacted."}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "You know, it is regular red light"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "therapy. 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I just want to ask"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "you, what do you think the reaction has"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "been or should be to this new footage?"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "Again, proving you've been right all"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "along. Israel was complicit in October"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "7th, did not protect their people,"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "continues to not do so. There should be"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "a Zionist fallout, but unfortunately the"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "influencer energy is just too strong."}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "Um, you know, how do we get the"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "attention of of the world to this?"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "I I think the world would pay attention"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "to it. Unfortunately, I think lawmakers"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "don't care at the end of the day. In"}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "fact, I think there is a certain level"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "of lawmaker in the United States that"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "would actually be very excited by this"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "idea. Right. They would be all for a"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "Hannibal directive here in the US. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "absolutely. You take hostages, we'd"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "rather kill the hostages. We're not We"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "don't negotiate with terrorists, right?"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "That very tough Jack Bower kind of uh"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "mentality. So,"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:45:01", "text": ">> but I mean the"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:03", "text": ">> the whole line from the Obama"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "administration is we have to go to war"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:06", "text": "with Syria because they attack their own"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "people. We"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:11", "text": ">> we don't we're supposed to we say we"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "don't like but Israel does it all good."}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "Totally fine."}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, Saddam Hussein was the same"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "thing, right? Yes."}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:19", "text": ">> He gas he gassed his own people."}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "Gaddafi, he kills his own people."}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:21", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:23", "text": ">> Israel kills their own people. The the"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "difference is between all those groups"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "is that this one you can actually prove."}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "I never saw any proof that Assad killed"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "his own people or that Hussein killed"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "his own people."}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:33", "text": ">> Right. So"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:36", "text": ">> this is where we are."}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:38", "text": ">> Yeah. And so, you know, I guess the the"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "most we can do is talk about it and"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "break the narrative that Israel is our"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "greatest ally and that, you know, they"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "were 100% the victims of October 7th and"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "that this war of aggression was"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "justified. That's all we can do. you"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "know, how people pick up that"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "information is,"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:55", "text": ">> I guess, beyond our control. We're just"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "journalists,"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:58", "text": ">> but people are changing, right? The the"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "public sentiment on this stuff. Look, I"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "was talking about Israel funding Hamas"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "back in 2012."}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "And in 2012, all those groups like the"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "ADL and different groups were coming out"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "against me. He's anti-Semitic and he's,"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "you know, a Jew hater and a Holocaust"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "denier. All of that stuff's been proven"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "today. And one thing that has changed is"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "not just public sentiment but the"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "ability of the public to get information"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "thanks to places like X where you can"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "get information you can get uh uh facts"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "that are unfiltered to you. The public"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "sentiment is changing and generationally"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "it has shifted entirely in another"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "direction to the point where Israel has"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "lost the United States. The all we're"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "waiting for now is it to time out but"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "it's over. This is like watching a"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "football game where the score is so so"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "far ahead that you're like, there's no"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "way you're coming back, but there's"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "still time on the clock. So, we got to"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "wait for that to run out. That's"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "literally what Israel is experiencing"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "right now in the United States. There is"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "no salvaging your reputation. There is"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "no convincing people that know you're"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "actually good. What we're waiting for is"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "boomers who don't care about anybody but"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "themselves and who are going to hold"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "fast to whatever belief system they've"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "been on. they have to die off and the"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "next generation has to get a little bit"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "older and another one comes along. But"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "within the next decade, like Israel's"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "done. They're they're finished here. And"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "that's why they're shifting their"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "attention onto India right now because"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "they need to go find a new nuclear armed"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "uh pathy to do their"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:32", "text": ">> daddy. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Right. Is"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "there any other way to see it? Well, I"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "always enjoy talking to you. I really"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "appreciate your time. Uh, find Ben"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "online at Ben Swan_. That's the Xandle."}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "Uh, and his show is called America Now."}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "Yep, got that right. So, thank you"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "again. It's always a pleasure to talk to"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:52", "text": ">> Thank you, Natalie."}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "Heat."}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "Hey, Heat."}]

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Now,"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "you've asked us to do more on this."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "You've asked us to go deeper on these"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "hidden technologies, these techniques"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "that are being hidden from the public"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "that could save lives. In fact, lives."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "In fact, we've received thousands of"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "comments from you and emails"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "asking us to cover this this ailment or"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "that ailment. Clayton, will it will it"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "fix this? How do we how do I get access"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "to this? My sister has this ailment. So,"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "that's what we're going to do today."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "Rather than trying to answer a thousand"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "questions via email, we're going to try"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "to answer as many of them as possible."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "President Trump even tweeted about"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "medbeds a few months ago and then"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "suddenly deleted the tweet. Like, we"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "have this technology. We know we do."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "Doctors vilified for telling us about"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "things that can cure parasites."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "Ivormect. Like, why are these people"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "being silenced? Why is this technology,"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "you know, being hidden from you only"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "like elite Beverly Hills doctors and"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "things like that? It's absolutely"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "infuriating. No one should die as a"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "result of this stuff if we have access"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "to it. 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It's an honor to be"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "here with you."}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> So, I'm not blowing smoke. I mean, you"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "saw it. We had thousands of comments"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "from people and and emails wanting us to"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "answer questions about every different"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "ailment. You know, will this help with"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "arthritis? Can I, you know, reverse my"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "my my vision loss? Can I what about my"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "my skin condition? What about the"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "cancer? What about the inflamm? It was"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "like on and on and on or my sister is"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "dealing with this. So, that's why I"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "wanted to have you back. I wanted to be"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "able to dive more deeply because there's"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "been some new revelations, new science"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "that has just emerged, new research"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "papers that have been confirmed that I"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "wanted to talk with you about. So, thank"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "you so much for being here. That was my"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "little my little preamble, but"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": ">> it's an important one and and it just"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "shows your heart, Clayton. It really"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "does. You you have a family and you have"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "parents, you have you have important"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "people in your life and when you're"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "suffering, when your loved ones are"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "suffering, you get it. And then once"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "people realize they have a commitment to"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "humanity, which you do, and that's why"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "you do what you do. You have the"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "commitment, then you you say like, how"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "do we show up and how do we give the"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "information that that these people need"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "and then our work becomes extremely"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "fulfilling. So, thank you, Clayton, cuz"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "you we we truly did make a a big splash"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "and I was I was pretty shocked with how"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "how excited people were. Yes, we've"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "we've influenced millions of people over"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "the years, but uh it was a really it was"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "the right place, right time. People need"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "answers to what they're going through."}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "So, think of this in many ways as like a"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "part two with some new information and"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "new details that have just emerged about"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "stem cells and other things that I want"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "to get to here um on the show. But for"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "first of all, for my audience that is"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "not familiar with you, um I wanted to"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "show this little video that I think"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "captures in essence like your travels"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "around the world, patients that you've"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "worked with that have that you've"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "brought incredible news and information"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "to that have in many ways saved their"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "lives. um and just some of your travels"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "through Africa and other things. I just"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "wanted to share with our audience. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "this is about a threeminute video, but I"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "just want to play it because I think"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "it's informative. So, here's here's"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "Jonathan in the flesh. Watch."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> I laid in bed for 6 months. I wanted to"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "die. I asked God to take me."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": ">> It was super scary. I felt like the life"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "was being sucked out of me. I had heart"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "palputations and high blood pressure,"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "horrible cramps in my stomach. And if I"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "don't know, am I going to have a heart"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "attack?"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": ">> I don't know who else to turn to. I'm in"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "so much pain. Is there somebody that can"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "help me?"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> It was so devastating."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> When you look in your son's eyes, every"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "moment he could have just told me"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "because he didn't know if he was going"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "to have a mother tomorrow or not. Your"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "work really has saved my life."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": ">> No one has to suffer. No one has to die."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "We can we can save everyone."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> I would have been lost without Jonathan."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "and the help of those experts."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": ">> I love you. Want to see you better. I"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "mean, that's as simple as it is."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": ">> You wanted me to heal since the day I"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "met you. You're changed my life and"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "you're going to change so many other"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "people's life."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> And I said, \"God, you have to help me"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "through this. You can't leave me.\" And"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "the first video was Jonah."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> You, my friend, are saving my patients."}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "You're saving lives by getting this"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "information out."}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:23", "text": ">> The work that you've done, Jonathan, um"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "has has been a gamecher for millions of"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "people. This work has saved lives. It"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "reaches people in a way that they can't"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "find in their doctor's office."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> I am a personal subscriber to Jonathan"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "Auto. I get all of his emails and uh I"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "uh think that what he's doing is"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "fantastic. came across you tremendous"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "background very very incredible your"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "research and studies on this have been"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "second to none as far as I could see I"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "appreciate it it's it's really an honor"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "Michael"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> Jonathan what's up man this is Tim I"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "just want to say thank you for your love"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "for people and health those that are"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "hurting you want to get people better"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "you want to do whatever you can to make"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "a difference in their life I've seen"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "that in the way that you think and"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "strategize and I'm just so um proud of"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "the example that you've been and the way"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "that you stood up for so many things"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "especially people"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:20", "text": ">> it is we are they are not sick it is"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "only starvation"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> okay"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "you get it Jonathan you understand that"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "when we deal with health and wellness"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "and this wellness journey journey. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "multiffactorial."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:53", "text": ">> I really appreciate you teaching us and"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "coming to us with option."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "That speaks volumes on what type of"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "person that you are and you are making a"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "difference."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "So thank you"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "So like I said to you before like when I"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "watched that video just seeing like"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "Jonathan like you know starving people"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "like how in 2026 2027 like are we"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "allowing some of these things to happen"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "to people when we have access to this"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "technology technology that you've"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "uncovered that goes back 100 years"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "things like I mean medicines that have"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "won the Nobel Prize like Ivormectin and"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "we're having people dying of starvation"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "like What?"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": ">> Yeah. No, thank you for for like like I"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "like I said to you, I thank you for"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "caring. A lot of people just kind of go,"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "\"Okay, that's another world, but it's"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "but it's our world and we're all part of"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "the same human family.\" And if it's"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "happened to somebody else, it's happened"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "to me and it's happened to you. It's"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "we're we're we're connected. So you"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "there is an overlap here between whether"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "it's whether it's injustice caused by"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "systems that are designed to keep people"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "in poverty to enslave nations and all of"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "these issues. the same the same issue"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "and this is why being a humanitarian and"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "and working for World Vision being an"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "ambassador traveling through Tanzania,"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "Kenya, Mozambique, Mongolia, like around"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "the world we what I saw in those you"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "know tragic situations uh even down to"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "human trafficking you'll see um you know"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "people that I'm doing work with in in"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "that like Tim Tibo and others the"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "parameters are still the same. It's"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "still a restriction of knowledge and"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "information and people being kept from"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "something and that's still the same"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "reason that people are dying of cancer"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "today. There are tools available and"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "that's what we're going to share with"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "with folks with you know if you or a"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "loved one are dealing with chronic"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "conditions you need to look at the"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "therapies that are proven to regenerate"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "your body. Even if we ignore some of the"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "conversation around pathology and saying"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "okay there's 75 by the way 75,000"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "different diseases now 75,000."}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "And so now notice what what's going to"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "happen then in the comment section"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "people are going to say does it work for"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "this? Does it work for this? And then"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "now if you go specifically to red light"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "therapy, you'll find 6,000 peer-reviewed"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "studies. And the 6,000 peer-reviewed"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "studies on red line therapy is one"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "example show then all these parameters"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "that people then can look at that give"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "people hope in those categories. In most"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "cases, they'll find the chronic"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "condition that they'll they're battling"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "with. In others, they they won't find"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "the direct condition, but they'll find a"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "common ground. They'll find that it's"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "okay. this certain one, you know, no"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "researchers have been incentivized yet"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "to to go after that. But uh but we we"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "know that it's working for example for"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "glyobblastos or we like brain cancers or"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "we know that it's working for lymphas or"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "we know that it's working for breast"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "cancer and and these are the studies on"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "the the these uh on these types of"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "cancer. Here's the mechanism. Then once"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "people then just get these clear"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "pictures like like you do with stem"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "cells and if you're able to triple your"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "stem cell count after a single session"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "of red light and I I shared that last uh"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "time that you could see some of that"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "data we'll put it up on the screen for"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "people to look at. Once you realize,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "okay, if I can regenerate my stem cells,"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "then shouldn't the question then be,"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "well, what can't this do? And then what"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "is this contraindicated for versus, oh,"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "does this work for this, does this work"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "for this? Like, just let your body"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "respond cuz you'll only ever know if you"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "try it in that case, right? So, I I"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "think that people need to kind of go"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "forward uh forth bravely in that way. I"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "really do. And, you know, cuz I I've"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "seen trends. You saw the videos of"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "people that got better. And so people"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "should ask the question, what are the"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "trends in people that get better? And"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "the answer is that they they take"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "action, they try things, and they fail a"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "h 100 times and succeed after a handful"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "of times and then then they're ahead. Uh"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "and in this case, we we really don't see"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "people fail when they're using proven"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "therapies like this."}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": ">> And it's amazing to, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "regenerating of stem cells. So maybe we"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "can just start there because, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "this is new research. This is new new"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "data. And there's a couple of obviously"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "new data points that I want to share"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "with our audience first from the"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "scientific world. Maybe you can just"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "kind of go through what are they"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "noticing now with stem cell regeneration"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "around specifically red light therapy. I"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "mean this is like laying under a red"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "light panel. You've got them there in"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "your office. I have one that we have in"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "our in our in our guest room that I I"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "lay on every day um or lay underneath"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "every day and it's been transformative"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "for me. Um we have my son doing it now."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "My daughter who had a big scar because"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "she fell. We have her laying under it to"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "regenerate her where the scar was and"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "it's gone. It's almost gone now"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "completely."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": ">> Um she's 9 years old. She's 9 years old"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "and we were traveling"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": ">> uh this summer and we had jet lag and it"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "was like 4:00 a.m. and or 5:00 a.m. in a"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "hotel in in London and she got up and"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "was fooling around and joking with her"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "brother and sister and she's like, \"I"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "just had a dream about a fairy.\" and she"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "was like dancing around and stuff and"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "then she tripped over her her suitcase"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "and like hit her forehead on uh uh an"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "end table of the bed and woke us all up,"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "you know, and my my wife and I come"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "running out. There's blood everywhere."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "We were like, \"Oh my god, I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "have to get stitches.\" We didn't."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "Luckily, we were able to do just the"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "suture band-aids that kept, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:15", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": ">> and uh yeah, then we've been doing red"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "light therapy with her and now you can't"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "even tell. It's gone. It's like almost"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "completely gone. So, Oh, wow. Um, we're"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "doing that for that for the skin"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "regeneration piece of it. By the way,"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": ">> but there stem cells in skin, right? So,"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "yeah. So, to answer your question,"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "Clayton, uh, and I don't know if I cut"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "you off there, uh, but in the same way,"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "what what you're actually seeing is a"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "you see a fast turnover of stem cells in"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "the skin, and you see it in the stomach"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "line lining. You'll see the stem cells"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "replacing the stomach lining on like"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "every 3 to 5 days is it's it's it's"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "quite fascinating. You'll see kidneys"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "generating stem cells. you'll see"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "atapost tissue fat cells and you'll see"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "this in the bone marrow especially and"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "the high concentration of stem cells"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "being driven from the bones and so this"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "is really interesting as people age we"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "know that people then get more brittle"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "bones and this can be the uh issue for"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "why people uh end up uh you know dying"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "because they have a break and then they"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "are no longer mobile and then and so"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "this bone density issue is is arguably"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "the biggest issue for an aging"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "population and hence why you know from a"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "selfish perspective Ive I want to have"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "my my parents in my children's lives. I"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "want them to to have and right now they"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "do have all their grandparents and I"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "know that's not everyone gets that and"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "so I don't take that for granted at all."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "So how do I keep them mobile? How do I"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "keep them you know doing what they need"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "to do? And it and it's really when you"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "look at the science to answer your"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "question on stem cells you're driving"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "new stem cells within the bones. And so"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "the study that we're flashing up here on"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "screen is showing that the CD34 plus"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "cells which are the stem cells this is"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "autotogus bone marrow which autotogus"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "means healing arising from one's own"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "cells and tissue. Okay. So just remember"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "that word that it should be a by line a"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "through line of okay here we we have the"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "concept is very clear self-healing self-"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "regeneration and in this case it was a"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "an increase in stem cell count from 7.8"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "8 to 29.5% which is 3.8x and it's a 278%"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "increase. And you see about a 7x"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "increase a seven times increase in the"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "macroofagages which are doing the"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "cleanup. And the mechanisms are that the"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "stem cells the macroofagages all have"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "something called mito mitochondria and"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "they have mitochondrial chromophores and"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "they're receiving light to generate"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "cellular energy. the the similar studies"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "were in exosomes which is what stem"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "cells secrete and then they found a"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "6.25fold"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "increase in extracellular vesicles. This"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "is where all the growth factors are"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "coming from that cause regeneration and"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "these are the expensive therapies that"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "that that cost an arm and a leg. And so"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "now with that basis"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "you know one it would cost millions of"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "dollars literally to do this on a on a"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "yearly basis if on if you were doing"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "this either weekly, bi-weekly or even"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "daily if you were getting that many stem"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "cells injected. It would be roughly like"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "between five and and $10 million plus to"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "do it. Nobody would do that. It's it's"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "obviously Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": ">> Yeah. I know. Think about it. Right. And"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "and and it wouldn't actually be"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "effective. And this is a really"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "fascinating thing. If I show you these"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "studies on what it was that was then"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "found with Okay, it's not just about"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "having more stem cells cuz then what do"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "they do? They need to mature. And this"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "is called phenotype differentiation. So"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "it's a the maturation of a stem cell."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "And so that was one of the key areas. So"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "part of the reason why this is so"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "effective is because you have all these"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "dormant stem cells in your body and"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "they're getting activated by light and"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "that's what's proven in the studies and"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "it's also the migration side where uh"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "they will specifically target heart like"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "injured areas of the body hard areas to"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "turn over. What people don't realize is"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "that most of your organs will will turn"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "over multiple times during your"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "lifetime. Do do you realize that Clayton"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "you'll replace"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": ">> seven years or something like that?"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "depends like heart takes like a lifetime"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "which but but it would be a lot faster"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "from from estimations when you're using"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "regenerative therapies. Uh and same with"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "brain it takes and I'll show I'll show"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "you some of the charts on that. It's"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "it's kind of fascinating. You've got"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "here let's see I'll show you it was"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "specifically let's see okay the"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "intestinal lining like I mentioned that"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "that's a turnover every 3 to 5 days. the"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "stomach lining two to nine days, the"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "skin epidermis two to four weeks, which"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "is why you saw the scarring improve"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "quickly because it's a quick turnover."}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "And so those stem cells are a very fast"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "act. They're activated at a faster rate."}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "Uh red blood cells every 120 days. So,"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "and then then you've got like your liver"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "is regenerating"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "uh on a on a 2 to three year basis. uh"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "the bones the full remodeling is 10"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "years. See see how like you've got these"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "different categories and so once you"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "realize this then you think how do I how"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "do I speed this up? Uh you know the"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "heart muscle is about 1% per year in"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "adults and it's declining with age. So"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "we brain neurons is is kind of similar."}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "Uh it's you know the hippocampus cells"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "are 1.75% per year that they're"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "regenerating. So we we've got to"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "upregulate how the cells are turning"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "over so that you can make new cells and"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "and that's why when we come over to this"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "you know poststroke studies the brain"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "neuro degeneration eyesight which is"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "really fast by the way like eyesight is"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "very fast and you happen to have a story"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "on that which was the"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:37", "text": ">> yeah I'll just I'll just mention yeah"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "for people that haven't didn't know"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "before or didn't watch our last"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "interview"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "um you know my eye my eyesight had"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "deteriorated reading glasses and I had"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "LASIC many years ago and it just got,"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "you know, it just got progressively"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "worse. And I I just I had a hunch. I"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "just knew based on the fact that you can"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "remmineralize your teeth, but they don't"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "tell you about that. They want you to go"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "get your cavities drilled. They don't"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "want you to actually remmineralize your"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "own teeth so that you can actually heal"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "your own cavities. Like once I re once"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "we discovered that here on the show uh"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "in Natalie's interview with Dr. Ellie uh"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "Phillips on that, we were like, \"Holy"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "smokes.\" Like, \"Wait a minute. You can"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "actually remmineralize your teeth?\" Sure"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "you can. Um, so that means then I"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "started thinking, well, wait a second,"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "there's got to be other ways of doing"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "it. And that's when I connected with"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "you. I said, \"Wait a I I've been seeing"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "these studies around red light therapy"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "for healing your eyes, like improving"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "your eyesight, you know, getting rid of"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "reading glasses and all of that.\" And"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "sure enough, after you and I connected a"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "number of months ago, started doing it,"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "and I, you know, pick up my reading"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "glasses way less often now. Um, it's"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "crazy. It's absolutely crazy, actually."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "things that I used to not be able to see"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "from a certain level now I can see"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "again. Um it's not fully done yet. Um"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "but also I've been traveling so I was"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "like you know out of the country for a"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "few weeks and so I haven't been as"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "consistent as I'd like to be but I've"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "noticed and so is my wife. She's been"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "doing it as well and she did started"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "removing her reading glasses on a"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "regular basis now thanks to the red"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "light therapy. And I should point out I"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "lay underneath the panel at about an"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "inch away from my face because a lot of"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "people asked this question in the"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "comments. Thousands of you asked the"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "same question even though I said it on"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "the show. Just Okay, I'm going to say it"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "again right now."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:19", "text": ">> Ta."}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": ">> I lay underneath the panel"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": ">> about an inch and a half from my face."}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "Okay. That it's that close cuz of course"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "according to you"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": ">> and I just put it on the yellow, red,"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "and nir setting. No blue light."}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "Yeah, I turn off the blue setting"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:36", "text": ">> and I keep my eyes open cuz so many of"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "you in the comments were like, \"Did you"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "keep your eyes open or closed?\" And I"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "keep my eyes open unless I start to nod"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "off and fall asleep. But even you told"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "me that even with your eyes closed,"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "you're still getting the benefits, a lot"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "of the benefits, right?"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": ">> So anyway, all that to say, not to talk"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "about me, but I've"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:54", "text": ">> you"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": ">> I've noticed a dramatic a dramatic"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "difference and so has my wife. Um, and I"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "know even Yeah, I know others like some"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "famous people out there have also"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "recently talked about not needing"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "glasses anymore with red light therapy."}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:08", "text": ">> um, all that to say, yes, I've had So,"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "it happens pretty quickly with eyes. Is"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "that right?"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. It was University College"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "University College London tested for"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "average results from from a 3minut"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "exposure. They were went all the way up"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "to 45 minutes. Both were proven to be"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "safe, which is really interesting. So if"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "people were going after poststroke or"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "brain function, it does then validate"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "having your eyes open for longer periods"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "of time. If people wanted more"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "therapeutic directly into the brain,"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "eyes are part of the brain. You're"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "getting it right into the brain. Imagine"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "if your your heart was open all the"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "time. You could just treat it anytime"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "you liked. Uh which which by the way the"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "the my it was heart muscle scarring from"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "Tel Aviv University showed an 80%"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "reduction in heart muscle scarring with"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "red light. It did use stem cells in this"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "study. But when you learn about stem"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "cells, you realize that you'll make them"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "yourself and you could replicate more of"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "them if you're fasting and exercising or"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "whatever combination of factors. Do do"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "your research. But yeah, that's pretty"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "fascinating, right? So they they found"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "University College London found a 17%"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "improvement in eyesight from a a single"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "3minut exposure. So they measured it"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "within the same 24-hour period. So"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "that's an average result. It does stack."}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "It does get better. And I'll show here"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "some, you know, clips of uh this woman"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "Joanne. She's 92 and she had complete"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "peripheral vision loss and she restored"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "the peripheral vision uh and then could"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "read uh within actually she could read"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "within the same day which is fascinating"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "for a 92-year-old."}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:34", "text": ">> Hi, I'm Joanne. I'm one of the clients"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "that the red light has helped me and I"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "just want to say thank you to the doctor"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "because I think it's wonderful what he's"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "doing. Yeah, I'm 92. I'm going to be 93."}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "And it really really where I can see"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "things around me, you know, on the side"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "where before I couldn't. I can see a"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "little bit of the laundry. How to do the"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "laundry,"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": ">> which is really a disaster when you lose"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "your eyesight."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": ">> It's terrible."}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:14", "text": ">> But boy, it's helped a lot. He's doing a"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "great job for people and I just want to"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "say thank you. Thank you. Thank you."}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "Damn."}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:21", "text": ">> People would think that maybe an older"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "person couldn't um you know respond. And"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "if we're talking about stem cells, maybe"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "it's less relevant to elderly. I I have"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "not seen that practically speaking. And"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "we've helped around 100,000 people. Uh"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "we've served around 100,000 people. So"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "we've we've got quite a bit of"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "interesting data in that way. Um but"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "yeah, that gives you a bit of a litmus"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "on that. And then you know what's the"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "key in with this? When we talk about"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "stem cells, we talk about regenerating"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "the organs and we talk about how the"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "body is interfacing with light. Eyes are"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "one of the areas Clayton that you can"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "notice and you wouldn't know if your"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "kidney function improved. You wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "know unless you were monitoring that"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "because you have a chronic kidney"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "disease which 850 million people around"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "the world do which is one of the biggest"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "issues in our world today. And but what"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "you do notice is your eyesight. And if"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "and you understand that red light is"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "interfacing with the rest of your organs"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "like it is your eyes, you can understand"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "that it is improving organ function and"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "it just gives people these confirmations"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "that they need to keep going or if they"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "see an energy boost, they see a hormone"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "balance, they see a weight loss uh which"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "is common like in in all the thyroid"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "studies or most of the thyroid studies,"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "they're showing dramatic weight loss at"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "the same time which is just you know"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "it's a normalization of the thyroid."}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "getting after the fat cells and breaking"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "open the fat cells through something"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "called photonic lipopolysis. So it's"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "it's a fascinating process."}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:39", "text": ">> So can I talk so we got a lot of"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "comments here from people from last"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "time, but I just want to kind of go"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "through and I'm going to cherrypick a"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "few of them just so we're because many"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "of you asked the same questions as other"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "viewers and and so forth on different"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "ailments and things like that. So but"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "just at a high level um uh let's see"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "let's see let's see. So Jand says, \"I've"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "known about medbeds for years and it is"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "a real thing, but the cabal, the"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "Illuminati do not want peeons to have"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "access to this.\" Now I've spoken to um"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "sources and and individuals inside of"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "the military, the US military, who have"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "witnessed these med beds like on"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "military bases where they've been used"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "to heal soldiers um from different"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "injuries, vaccine injuries and other"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "things. specifically. Um, but these are"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "not widely available or known. So, I"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "just want to ask you, he says he's known"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "about med beds for years. I've heard"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "reports of it for years. Got"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "confirmation from members of the"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "military who've confirmed it on our"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "show. Um, then President Trump goes and"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "tweets it out about medbeds and and"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "suddenly then deletes the tweet. So, I"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "just I don't know. I I know I come back"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "to that, but it's What did you think"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "when you saw that tweet? It's crazy."}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, I know, right?"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "You know what? Like I am I'm an equal"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "skeptic like you are. I think it's"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "really cool that there's a conversation"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "entering the public where technology is"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "associated with rapid healing. And I"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "think that's an important dialogue"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "whether love him or hate him like that"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "is just a good dialogue for people to be"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "having. I I"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "I you know it's just so obvious that the"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "tech is is there and that it's just"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "right in front of us. Here's why. Right."}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "So the Nobel Nobel Prize I shared this"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "uh recently where in 1903 Neils Ryberg"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "Fininsson wins the Nobel Prize for light"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "therapy reversing disease. John Harvey"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "Kellogg advances that work produces uh"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "books like light therapeutics and others"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "and they they they're seeing tens of"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "thousands of people get better back in"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "the day like early 1900s. Now then then"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "you you know Flexner reporters published"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "1910 Dale Carnegie John Rockefeller then"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "just go after basically destroying"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "naturopathic medicine whatever you want"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "to call it actual actual medicine and"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "then they can pause for a second because"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "we have a comment from a viewer that"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "actually brings up Rockefeller"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:59", "text": ">> and says electric copper and argon baths"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "were banned by Rockefeller copper pipes"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "in pools needed no chemicals at all. So"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "it's all about making money isn't it?"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. No. Fascinating."}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "And and so they yes they they know about"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "these healing uh modalities but because"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "then it it creates uh there's no"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "dependency then on a system uh and so"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "you you've got to keep the people sick"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "if you want them to come to you for"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "their treatments and then you have to"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "demonize the other treatments and and"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "all of that then healing becomes"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "criminal and that's what happened."}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "You'll find that and you'll see all the"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "all the doctors that had to run for"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "their lives literally and you could see"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "it all all through the early 1900s."}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "you'll see uh them treating governors"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "and these massive publicized cases that"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "all through the newspapers and these"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "were the guns guys literally that were"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "getting put in jail the the the the uh"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "the patients would surround the prisons"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "and demand their release and like it"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "happened. Look up Harold Hawky, look up"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "all these these people. So yes, the the"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "the tech has been there. And the reason"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "why I'm saying that that red light and"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "and pulse electromagnetic field"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "completely match what what people are"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "are looking for and what is promised is"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "because you can't beat nature. And if"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "somebody tells me that you can I think"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "that it's a you you're ignoring the fact"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "that trees can live thousands of years."}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "You're ignoring the tree the fact that"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "animals some animals live hundreds of"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "years like 3 400 years like t t t t t t"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "t t t t t t t t t t t t t t turtles a"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "couple hundred years. uh and and some of"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "the sharks that long. And so when"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "they're connected to the earth's"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "magnetic field or uh the plants are"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "connected to the earth's magnetic field"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "and they're getting the light, they're"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "able to then regenerate. And so you"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "can't make any different shades of"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "light. You can't make any different"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "pulses of frequency from the earth that"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "that don't exist. They're all harnessed"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "from nature. So you these even devices"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "aren't really inventions. They're just"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "harnessing what is in nature. And so you"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "can't you can't beat that. And and hence"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "why I'm saying that people are waiting"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "unnecessarily. And I'm not just saying"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "that because I you know I have an"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "incentive to say that. I'm just saying"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "show me show me how you could improve on"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "that because the the six in exosomes is"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "is what I you know one of my one of my"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "doctor friends Dr. Antonio Gimenez he"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "was the one that wrote that"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "recommendation on on the book um here"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "that I'd written which was the cancer"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "switch where he he said look Jonathan's"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "research is groundbreaking and if you're"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "touched by cancer you want to prevent"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "it. I'm not recommending this to you."}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "I'm telling you that it's essential."}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "They were his words. And when he went"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "out to uh to Dubai to treat a royal"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "family or it was it was a"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "multi-billionaire, so he had unlimited"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "amounts of wealth at his disposal and he"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "has a terminal cancer diagnosis. He"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "falls off with half a million dollars"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "worth of exosomes. And so you just start"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "thinking about then, you know, what are"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "the most important and powerful"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "treatments, stem cells, exosomes, and"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "and how much more do you need? Cuz it"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "was up to a 10x increase in vascular"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "endothelial growth factor. Again, this"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "is associated with with stem cells and"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "exosomes. Yep. Yeah. VGF like so up to,"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "you know, 7 8 9 10x"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "increase in VEGF like I mentioned"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "6.25fold to five-fold increase in"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "exosomes and and the 7x increase in"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "macroofagages as they're doing the"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "cleanup because you're just accelerating"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "all the processes of nature to do all"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "the cleanup and and then you know and"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "that was a three like I mentioned a 3.8x"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "increase in in stem cell count. So how"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "much more do you need? Your body can't"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "utilize unlimited amounts. It has it"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "it's a finite system and you're talking"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "about over the whole skeleton between"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "500 and a billion extra stem cells if"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "you were to triple your stem cells if"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "you had an average baseline which"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "happens within 2 to 4 days. So people"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "are saying I I want it fast if it"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "matches the criteria. I want it to uh to"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "you know tackle the regenerative parts"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "of the body and it does that. And so"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "that's what I'm saying like these"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "results are are exponential and and I"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "think that that then gets us into the"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "categories. So then well then what is it"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "doing for people? If if you're saying"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "all that then what are the actual"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "results in different categories? And I I"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "suppose that caters to your question as"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "well of all these different conditions"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "that people are trying to ask for"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "answers on."}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:04", "text": ">> Yeah, maybe we can go through some of"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "them. So I want to kind of hit a bunch"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "of them and I'll just get you I'll I'll"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "kind of do them rapid fire here. But"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "before we get there, I just I like this"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "uh some comments here from"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:16", "text": ">> from our viewers. Rebecca Rebecca Holmes"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "says the reason they don't want you to"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "know about these med beds uh is because"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "hum these beds heal humans from disease"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "and big pharma companies will do"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "everything they can to stop this"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "therapy. Um uh John says more medbeds"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "less data centers and uh uh let's see"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "someone says someone should start making"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "red light televisions and red light"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "computers and phones. Um that would be"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "funny. Um, and but I thought this is"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "this is important. Uh, Lee Lee says,"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "\"Cancer is a $25 billion a year business"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "industry. So that's why they um so"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "that's why they won't help us because"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "they make so much money off of all of"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "this.\" So yeah, just some points there."}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:00", "text": ">> yeah, it's true."}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": ">> Go ahead. I mean, we you want to go"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "through the comments here."}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:03", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:04", "text": ">> let's see."}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:04", "text": ">> This is fun."}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:06", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:07", "text": ">> I like I like this impromptu. You're"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "putting me on the spot and I like being"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "put on the spot."}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:11", "text": ">> Let's"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:12", "text": ">> because it challenges me, right? Let's"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "see. Okay, so we got a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "questions here. So, um, okay, a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "people asking about arthritis. So, my"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "mom, uh, my mom in Pennsylvania, this is"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "something that she she's dealt with over"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "the years, arthritis. Um, what can what"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "can these red light therapy beds or the"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "panels like you're sitting right next to"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "them right here. By the way, we'll have"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "a link in the description if anyone"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "wants to to check them out for"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "themselves. Um, so they can take"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "advantage of it. But what about"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "arthritis? What do these panels do for"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "them?"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": ">> I'll lead I'll lead with a fun one this"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "morning. So I so my wife is about to"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "give birth, right? So she is giving"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "birth to our third child. She is"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:49", "text": ">> she's huge."}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:51", "text": ">> Thank you. And by the way guys, like"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "there are people that are have loved"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "ones that can't fall pregnant or are"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "misarrying. It happened to us too,"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "right? It happened to us at the start"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "and then it happened to us even uh over"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "the last few years. And you know, was"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "that the additional toxins put into the"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "environment? Like sure, we opted out of"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "all the you know, things even though we"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "were traveling to Australia. I was in"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "the protests in Australia. because you"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "know all of that but you know three"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "miscarriages and she's about to give"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "birth to an amazing healthy baby uh that"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "is that is huge which is amazing and red"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "light to to us has been instrumental but"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "anyway so we're getting help then cuz"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "we're going to San Juan where the birth"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "um the midwife team is and uh in Puerto"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "Rico here where I live uh Leticia she's"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "helping with the with the move and she"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "said I want to you know and she then she"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "goes James Brown she goes I feel good"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:41", "text": "she she said that And she had been"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "crying for the last like we'd caught her"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "crying like several times over the last"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "6 months and and arthritis her and you"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "could see it with her fingers kind of"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "starting to bow out and if people look"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "at arthritis late stage all the fingers"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "go in different directions and just"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "imagine the pain of that and that's the"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "end of of that and here she is like 2"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "weeks into two therapies that I that I"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "got her on. One was the red light"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "therapy and uh and then and she's she's"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "bragging now and excited and just got a"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "pep and a step and so that was really"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "fun. I got that on camera, so I'm going"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "to flash that up on screen with my boys"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "and she's like dancing around. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "then uh and the other one was this"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "substance that I I can't list the name"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "of it here, but I could show the site"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "where people can learn about it because"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "it's actually a free substance"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "basically. I mean, it's $30 on Amazon"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "and uh and it's so important. Um, it's"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "just everything gets flagged once you"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "say it. It's because it's such an"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "important inexpensive answer to so many"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "problems from latestage cancer. So the"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "the site is there you and I can say the"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "site deoxyipedia will you can.com you"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "can learn all about it there but like"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "the clinical studies on arthritis are"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "profound and they're showing uh you know"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "big reductions in short periods of time"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "and I'll I'll flash all those studies up"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "on screen so people can read along with"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "that and remember it's a it's an"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "autoimmune condition that is primarily"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "driven by toxins"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "and then once because then just start"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "thinking about it's not just the"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "reduction of inflammation it's about"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "it's about cleaning up the the tox toxin"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "uh over overload that is in the system"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "that's causing the inflammation. The"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "inflammation is there for a reason,"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "right? So, and then yes, could people go"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "gluten-free and will that make a"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "difference? Absolutely. It will make a"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "huge difference."}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:16", "text": ">> Leeg says, \"Yeah, I wish I could get my"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "wife one of these who's been suffering"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "with arthritis for 20 years, suffers"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "from grave grave dise Graves disease"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "also, which is a very overactive"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "thyroid."}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:28", "text": ">> Um, and hopefully this can help. The"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "fact that this technology is being"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "hidden is a crime against humanity in"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "and of itself. Yeah, exactly. Um,"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:36", "text": ">> yeah, and I'll quickly comment on the"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "Graves if that's all right."}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:39", "text": ">> Please."}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:44", "text": ">> Graves is less common than Hashimoto's"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "hypo underactive thyroid, but"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "but you know, equally problematic for"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "people. The the treatment is the most"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "barbaric and it's one that should be"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "antiquated as as part like a medieval"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "torture practice. that's where it should"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "go to, which is to put radioactive"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "iodine in the body to to completely"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "destroy the thyroid. And that's that"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "that's the treatment for for Graves"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "disease. And now you're a lifelong"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "customer of synthroidid. And and it it's"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "it's horrific. And like, interestingly"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "enough, there are there are not as many"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "studies on Graves disease. So now, what"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "would I do? Would I just go, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "there's not as many studies. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "going to do this.\" Or would I do it?"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "Well, you I I've said this so many times"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "and I I had a case which her name was"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "Shannon. She and we got that case study"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "on on camera as well. She was bedridden"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "from Graves disease and she was a"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "marathon runner. Her markers were"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "terrible. She had a team of doctors."}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "They said never dream about doing that"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "again. Just, you know, just stay stay"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "put. She she was in front of our red"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "light for for two and a half weeks and"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "went and competed in the New York"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "Marathon and her numbers had normalized"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "so doctors couldn't say anything. So"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "I've seen cases and I just think about"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "it very very logically. Your thyroid has"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "mitochondria. Your mitochondria have"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "light receptors. They need light. And"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "light is so responsive to the thyroid."}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "The hypothyroid studies on Hashimoto's"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "enlarged thyroid. 96% of the"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "participants went into remission of"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "enlarged thyroid at a 12-month follow-up"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "after only 3 weeks of treatment on"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "light. And the baseline was 17%. So 17%"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "had a normal thyroid size and everyone"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "else uh 83% had enlarged thyroid. Then"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "96% go to normal thyroid size. Only 4%"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "having enlarged thyroid after only 3"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "weeks of treatment. So yeah, it's a slam"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "dunk."}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:31", "text": ">> Wow. Yeah. My mother-in-law, that was"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "one of the main reasons she started on"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "red light therapy was for the thyroid."}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "Um Yeah. So and Hashimoto specifically."}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "Yeah. So that's great news. Anybody"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "should watch Jonathan's autos webinars"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "to get educated because I was not"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "educated. I'm educated on far infrared"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "and different holistic products, but I"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "had never used a red light even though I"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "know there's facilities that offer red"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "light. I know so much more about it now."}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "I'll just tell you the sidebars story"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "cuz it's really good. Um, another lady"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "that watched told me that she got"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "diagnosed with Graves disease and I"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "don't know if it's hypo or hyper. And I"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "told her, \"Put put the red light right"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "on your thyroid.\" And they told her she"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "had to be on all kinds of medicines."}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "That three things were off. She was"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "really scared about it. She had no"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "energy. Her iron level had dropped."}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "Everything was she couldn't even run"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "anymore. She was so depressed. I said,"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "\"Just stand in front of it 30 minutes a"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "day.\" This is a girl that um I know"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "right now. This is just now happening to"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "a woman and she's been doing that since"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "I suggested for like 2 and 1/2 weeks or"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "so and she lives in another state and"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "she's almost all of her blood work has"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "changed. They said, \"What? What?\" She"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "goes, \"I don't have it. I don't have"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "Graves disease. I'm willing it away."}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "She's almost going to be off the"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "medication.\" And the only thing she was"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "doing is sitting in front of the red"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "light on her thyroid 30 minutes a day. I"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "think that's an amazing testimonial. She"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "was even told she's running in the New"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "York Marathon this weekend. The doctor"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "said, \"No, you can't do that. You don't"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "have enough energy in your body. You're"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "too run down.\" And I said, \"Don't listen"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "to that. Don't listen.\" Shannon Jonathan"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "would tell you, \"Don't listen to that."}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "Take care of yourself and do what you"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "need to do and get strong.\" And she's"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "running in it this weekend. She's going"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "to run in it. I mean, she could barely"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "walk. She couldn't much less run. And so"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "I said, \"Just trust me on this one. Just"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "put it right there. I'm not a doctor."}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "you know, or Jonathan or anything, but I"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "just said, \"Try it. What do you have to"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "lose? Try it. Just do it.\" And now she's"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "going to run in the marathon. Jonathan"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "is such a world of information. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "he he literally knows this product"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "inside and out. And I am so intrigued"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "when he talks because he's just so"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "knowledgeable and it's not like he he's"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "trying to sell you anything. He's just"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "explaining to you what benefits you"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "could have. And I was just like blown"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "away. Um, someone in our chat room just"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "said, um, I I was never healthier than"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "when I lived in Tahiti. I was out in the"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "sun every day working. Um, uh, the"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "healing power of the sun. So, what"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "people need to understand because I a"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "lot of questions too like how is this"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "similar to the sun and I think you've"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "explained that this is like what a"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "hundred times or something like that"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "more."}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:13", "text": ">> What is it?"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:15", "text": ">> Uh, close to 40 times the irradiance the"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "amount of light coming from the sun in"}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "the red and near infrared spectrum."}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "Okay. So sun is amazing and everyone"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "should get into the sun. Uh so and and"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "it's the only way to completely get full"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "spectrum light. And then you'd say,"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "well, if that's the case, then why would"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "you go into uh using light therapy?"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "What's the purpose? And why did you"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "having been in sunlight for the longest"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "time and not had improvements in your"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "eyesight? And and and your daughter"}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "having been out in the sun a lot, having"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "not had recovery from a scar as two"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "anecdotal case studies. Why did the"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "light in this case seemingly outperform?"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "And the answer is the radiance, the"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "amount of power delivered. So I'll show"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "that on a meter. Right? So here I'm"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "measuring the the light coming out of"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "this device. And if in this red and near"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "infrared spectrum, you could see it"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "going into over, you know, 200 mill of"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "power at uh in the in the right place."}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "There you go. It just hit over 200. And"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "and in which case in that red and near"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "infrared spectrum, you you can visibly"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "see how bright that is on my face. So,"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "some of your eyes can even tell a"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "radiance if I just go here. Yeah, look,"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "I'm going to just put it on red and"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "yellow, and it's it's going to push a"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "higher spectrum into the red and near"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "infrared. I could put it on a sleep"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "setting here, and it's going to do the"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "same thing. Here we go. This is it here."}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "And you can see how immensely bright"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "that is. Uh, so it's it's the same"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "reason why the the cancer studies are"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "using methylene blue, and it's to"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "cool. You seen that the lights like that"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:48", "text": ">> that and and I can put a pulsation mode"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "on that so you you could see that"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "completely pulse. You'll see there are a"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "lot of studies that show the"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "outperformance of pulse wave. So like"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "here here's what pulse wave looks like"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:03", "text": ">> and that's profound for all kinds of"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "cellular function because it's it's a"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "big stimulatory hit for the body. Pulse"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "wave."}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:10", "text": ">> Yeah. There's so many different settings"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "on there. I mean it's it's it's crazy."}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "Crazy. I mean, the way that I, like I"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "said, the way that I use it is I have my"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "eyes open. I don't wear goggles. And I"}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:21", "text": "sit about about an inch from the panel"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "using the red, yellow, and nir setting."}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "I turn the blue off. So, why turn the"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "blue off again? Maybe for because we"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "have a lot of viewers who wrote about"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "eyesight and improving their eyesight."}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "Why do you turn the blue off?"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:37", "text": ">> Red has has been heavily proven through"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "like practically every main wavelength"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "of red light. What you're seeing here,"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "by the way, is 10 different wavelengths"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "of red, near infrared, and blue light."}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "Uh the the red is is heavily proven to"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "be safe. And that's the same reason why"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "you can look at a sunset and a sunrise."}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "And cultures have done that for"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "thousands of years and reported to be so"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "amazing that some cultures even worship"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "the sun. Wouldn't do it personally."}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "Wouldn't worship the sun, but you get my"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "point. Uh people have looked at the sun"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "as they've known, right? And the red and"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "infrared spectrum is very gentle and"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "healing for the eyes. And whether it's"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "dry eye macular degeneration, uh like"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "all the like people are closing their"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:17", "text": "eyes, it feels like sandpaper. I just"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "did a case study last night where the"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "person within a couple of weeks of"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "putting even even into a small red light"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "belt which is like something like I'm"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "holding here with something like like"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "that. She was able to look into this and"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "then that that pain went away. So the"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "red and near infrared spectrum is very"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "safe and gentle for that. The blue light"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "hasn't got a lot of data to show that"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "it's it's it's super safe to look"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "straight into it. But if your eyes are"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "aimed away from from it, I personally"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "wouldn't worry. Interestingly enough,"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "blue is proven for certain stem cells"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "like dental pulp, for example, which is"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "interesting. You're talking about"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "reminalizing teeth. Red line is very"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "good for gums and dental pulp. So is"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "blue, though. And blue is very good for"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "stem cells in the in the in the scalp"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "and in the face for the skin cells. Uh"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "so they're very proven. They're very"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "proven even for unborn babies. Bill"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "Rubin, people know that jaundice babies"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "will get blue light even in mainstream"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "hospitals. So like light therapy being a"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "treatment is actually just right under"}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "our noses and it's babies respond to"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "blue light so quickly. It's fascinating."}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "Um so there's an answer there."}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:21", "text": ">> So okay, so just for some mechanics"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "again. So if you're suffering from poor"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "eyesight and you want to improve your"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "eyesight sitting under there for what 10"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "15 minutes?"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:30", "text": ">> Yeah, as little as three minutes. the 3"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "minutes or 45 minutes of exposure uh"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "equated to the same result. So if if"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "that was Yeah. So but doesn't mean that"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "you wouldn't get more benefit like the"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "poststroke study published by the"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "British Medical Journal on a on a"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "9-year-old child that had a stroke when"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "she was born. Uh they they did red light"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "in around her brain and uh they should"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "have done it in her eyes. I don't know"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "they used that parameter or not but she"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "uh went to normal like a complete normal"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "childhood academic ability, social"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "abilities. It was all documented in the"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "study. Really touching. Everyone cries"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "when they watch the the video from that"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "girl Leah. Um and that was within a 3w"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "week period. She had a massive"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "turnaround. 3 months she had completely"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "normalized. But but like the 3 minutes"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "is is is all that that's needed. So you"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "could give such little time for such"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "great benefit. Um the stem cell study"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "that I cited before with the the 3.8x"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "increase in stem cells was only 100"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "seconds."}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:21", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:22", "text": ">> And so by phasic dosage, you go ahead."}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:24", "text": ">> Yeah. So I was going to say if you're"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "doing that and I turn off the blue light"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "for the for the eyes. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:30", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:32", "text": ">> then do I want to flip the blue light"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "back on to get like the skin benefits"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "and other things like that?"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:37", "text": ">> Yeah, could do like five minutes on the"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "eyes and then just flip on the blue"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "light as part of it and then"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:44", "text": ">> you could do that or you can do half"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "half like you know if I was Yeah. And"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "and there are so many uh like the key"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "for a lot of people is to then look up"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "studies that give you a baseline, right?"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "So then let's say you've got this"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "condition XYZ arthritis and Hashimoto's"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "and then you say okay look I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "put this into Chad or Grock or or"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "perplexity or whatever and I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "ask it for the parameters of the study"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:06", "text": "so that I have a baseline to know when I"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "should expect a result in and the"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "minimal amount I can do it and often"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "it's only 20 minutes twice a week as as"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "a baseline that then means like okay I"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "can do this or or 3 minutes for eyesight"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "okay I can do this and then anything"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "more is is gravy if you then look at"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "other studies some people with with"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "vaccine injuries the acute longcoid"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "study that was 64 to 84 minute long"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "sessions over all the organs. So that"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "would be head to groin area. 100%"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "success in all 62 people with oxygen in"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "the brain, oxygen saturation in the"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "blood over 97% executive memory recall"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "uh and and emotional deficits as well as"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "digestive issues all resolved and all"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:44", "text": "but two cases resolved within a single"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "week. So so there are longer sessions"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "and shorter sessions. And so it's hard"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "to give an exact thing for most people."}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "But the easy thing is to think about"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "doing something like 15 20 minutes a day"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "and like you're saying maybe half of it"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "with your eyes open looking into the"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "light. If you feel comfortable with that"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "and you've looked at the studies, you"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "feel like that's going to be a good idea"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "for you and the other half with the blue"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "light without it. As an example, as much"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "as twice a day to replicate sunrise and"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "sunset at similar times. The eyesight"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "study when they performed the eyesight"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "study in the afternoon, people got zero"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "benefit in eyesight improvement. So it"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "has to be morning if it's for eyesight."}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "If it's for sleep, it's going to be"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "before bed. But PEMF was the the biggest"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "performer for insomnia where 69.7%"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "either went into complete remission of"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "insomnia during the study on PEMF or uh"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "or had a dramatic uh reduction in their"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "in their sleep uh or in their insomnia."}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:37", "text": ">> Wow. Um maybe could we talk about some"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "other people asked about weight loss?"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:45", "text": ">> What about weight loss?"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:47", "text": ">> Yeah. No, it's awesome. Like so like"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "so what people will do is they'll think"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "about it like okay I hate this belly fat"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "I want to put it on here and that"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "there's nothing wrong with that and"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "that's great and you'll see a lot of"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "clinics are reporting like and look up"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "what I'm saying independently the"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "clinics are reporting 4 in lost in a"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "session like 6 in lost in a session for"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "people that are carrying a lot and think"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "about it in a different way think about"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "it like edema where you've got swelling"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "and it's it's a toxic issue and then Uh"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "here it's interesting that you've got a"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "lot of concentration of stem cells in"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "the fat tissue atapost derived stem"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "cells mezenal stem cells by the way. So"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "you're interfacing with all these"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "regions. You're breaking open fat cells"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "through a process called photonic"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "lipolysis. And it so it's actually"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "supplementing well sorry it's"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "substituting"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "uh liposuction. And for for a lot of"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "people yes it's not going to be quite as"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "quick as liposuction but it's going to"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "be much better. But it's not just about"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "getting it over the areas that you want"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "to improve. It's about getting it over"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "your organs so everything improves"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "better. Like your thyroid is governing"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "your your weight gain or weight loss"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "more than anything else for any one"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "particular organ. So that's why the"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "thyroid studies show improvements in"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "massive improvements in body mass index,"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "hip to waist ratio, hip to waist"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "circumference. Uh so and and the the"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "study that showed the red light group"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "and 350 people with Hashimoto's, the red"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "light group outperformed the non-"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "redlight group by 70 times. 70. Both"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "group were doing supplements. So if"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "somebody's saying, \"No, I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "skip this. I'm just going to keep on"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "with my medications or supplements.\" If"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "it was if it was Hashimoto's, you'd be"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "70 times less the result because it's"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "activating what you're doing like with"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "the supplements. And it's just simply um"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "dealing with processes that are that are"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "that that that transcend"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "supplementation. Leaky gut creates"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "issues with people absorbing"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "supplements. Light shoots straight"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:39", "text": "through into the cells so that you can"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "get around a lot of these absorption"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "issues and mineral deficiency issues."}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:46", "text": ">> Wow, that's crazy. Um, so then going"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "through the body, you know,"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:49", "text": ">> I guess the bones, you talked about the"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "bones earlier, but someone in their chat"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "room is asking about osteoporosis."}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:57", "text": ">> So maybe brittle bones. You talked about"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "the 10-year regeneration cycle for"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "bones. Can this increase that speed or"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "that time?"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Yes, it it definitely can. Like"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "the the this the studies are there. And"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "the the remember the study that I cited"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "before, it was bone marrow stem cells"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "within humans and in vivo. So in life,"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "not just in a petri dish. And it was"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "over the shins and and it was a close to"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "4x the amount of stem cells and it was a"}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "278% increase on the baseline of of stem"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "cell count. So it was 7.8 to 29.5%."}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "So now if you just think about that it's"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:33", "text": "you don't even need to when you think"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "about it you I and I'll and I'll show we"}, {"start": "00:49:33", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "could I'll show the studies here on"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "osteoporosis. A lot of studies on"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "osteoporosis and osteoarthritis and"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "perryitis by the way perritis I'll say"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "this. This was fascinating. Perthritis"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "was an example where they tested PEMF,"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "red light, and then red light and then"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "PEMF in isolation. The red light and"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "PEMF group outperformed by a longshot"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "either therapy on their own."}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:49:59", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:02", "text": ">> Okay. So, what does that mean? The"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "medbed is is real cuz cuz look at"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "nature. You're standing on the Earth's"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "magnetic field while you're getting the"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "light. And you're designed to get these"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "in combination. And both are activating"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "mitochondrial function through two"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "different mechanisms. One from below,"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:15", "text": "one from above. And that's why you look"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "at trees like the branches are"}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "replicated by the roots underneath. One"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "is receiving the light through the"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "leaves and the other is receiving the"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "earth's magnetic pulse and you know"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "moisture, water, but the earth's"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "magnetic pulse is the driver. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "it's the magnetism that you're feeling."}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "And that's why, you know, I'll show the"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "video where you've got like the magnet"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "bouncing around and you can see, okay, I"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "I get it now. Like this is the this is"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "the transfer system. The body is"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:41", "text": "electric. Healing is electric. And"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "people would do well. We don't"}, {"start": "00:50:41", "end": "00:50:45", "text": "personally do this at this time. But the"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "people should find a grounding sheet to"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "sleep on at night because they'll get"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "more electron transfer. Everything in"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "nature is sleeping on the earth's"}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:55", "text": "magnetic magnetic field. Every animal uh"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "I guess birds don't cuz they're in"}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "nests, but besides that, like everything"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "is on the earth's magnetic field. And"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "probably they're getting it through the"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "tree. I wouldn't know, but uh you're"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "getting the Earth's magnetic field and"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "you're getting the sunlight and um and"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "then that way you can replicate that."}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "They're great studies there. Clayton,"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "did you get any questions on on cancer?"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:14", "text": ">> Oh, I got a lot of questions on cancer."}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:19", "text": ">> which forms?"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:23", "text": ">> I mean, stage 4, you know, pancreatic"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "cancer, um, breast cancer,"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "um, oh my gosh, so many uncancers. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "someone just said, \"Yeah, one in four"}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "people get cancer. No wonder they don't"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "want you to know about this, uh, because"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "it's such a big industry."}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "I mean just on and on. I mean so"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "pancreatic cancer, uh colon cancer,"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:47", "text": "breast cancer, skin cancer, um uh yeah,"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "I mentioned a lot of them, but anyway,"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:53", "text": ">> basil. Yeah, melanoma basic cell."}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:55", "text": ">> Okay. Amazing. Like this is one I really"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "care about talking about. I was the"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "producer of a series called The Truth"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "About Cancer 12 years ago"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:04", "text": ">> and uh we we brought together a lot of"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "the world's best doctors. Uh, and"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "yeah, I was just actually with Dr."}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "Jeffrey Bland in New York, the father of"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "functional medicine. He's using our red"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "light devices on on his own self. And I"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "gave him points of research. I remember"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "him just like his eyes opening wide and"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "said, \"Jonathan, you've given me such a"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "gift.\" So, a lot of these guys are, you"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "know, super humble and we love to come"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "together and like some of them, you look"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "at Dr. Lean Connealy. I was consulting"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "with her doctors recently. She's treated"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "through a clinic 90,000 patients for"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "cancer. You look at what what happens is"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "you can like speed up your success in"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "this by looking at what do all these"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "what do all these doctors agree with and"}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "agree on and because"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "look if if if if there is a god and"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "people you know have some compassion in"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "their souls surely they would just tell"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "me and I you know they would have no"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "incentive or you know they would just"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "want to tell me and that's why as well"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "like with a lot of these doctors we're"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "using several things and and I will"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "speak specifically on the mechanism"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "behind light so that we can do justice"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "to that. And I but I really want to"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "encourage people look at the studies on"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "and the doctors that are coming forth"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "with people getting metal feelings out"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "of their mouth, amalgams, mercury"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "amalgams and and root canals out and"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "then people are going into remission"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "without doing additional therapies."}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:21", "text": ">> Wow. Just getting mercury out of your"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "mouth or metal fillings out of your"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "mouth."}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:25", "text": ">> Yes. And it has to be a biological"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "dentist otherwise it could really"}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "destroy your health. like biological"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "dentists that are certified in smart"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "removal with just safe mercury amalgam"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "removal technique and you go with"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:38", "text": "somebody that has these certifications"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "that they're specialized in this area"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "otherwise you you're running risks but"}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "it's inexpensive uh generally"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:45", "text": ">> so too is ivormectin right I mean we're"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "talking this isn't just about red light"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:48", "text": "therapy we're talking about as you"}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "mentioned getting these things removed"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:51", "text": "from your mouth but also"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:53", "text": ">> there's new bodies of research about"}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "cancer being a parasite or caused by"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "sort of like"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:59", "text": ">> parasitic infections almost like"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "breeding grounds for parasites and it"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "and where ivormectin right"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:06", "text": ">> yes yes I'm so glad you bring this up"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "right okay so now gess what right so"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:11", "text": "when you combine a photosensitizer"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "a photosensitizer could be bourberine"}, {"start": "00:54:11", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "green tea curcumin uh these are some"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "that are proven uh rioplavin resveratrol"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "and artameisanin what's artisanin sweet"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "wormwood which is ivomekin that's where"}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "it comes from that's where it's derived"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "for. So the the Nobel Prize was won for"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "Artameese and and and Ivamekin, right?"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:35", "text": "So it's a it's a photosensitizer that is"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "highly effective against cancer cells,"}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:40", "text": "but it all of these as they as the name"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "implies need need to be activated by"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "light. Curcumin is people are taking it"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "going, \"Oh, this is really good for me,"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "but it needs to be activated by light."}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "It's often not available in the body.\""}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "Like so it's like very minimal benefit."}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "And I would say that with most things"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:54", "text": "that we're eating all all the plants"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "that have lots of like chlorophyll, dark"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "re leafy green, dark uh you know green"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "leafy uh greens uh they they will um you"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "know provide a lot of chlorophyll to the"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "body but they need to get activated. So"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "in the studies the methylene blue for"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "example combination is another"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "photosensitizer and it's shown to"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "eradicate parasites and that's why it's"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "referred to as antimicrobial photodnamic"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "therapy. Okay. So now what you're doing"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "is you're absorbing the in this case a"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "blue dye. So it's a textile dye. I think"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "you're familiar, right? And and I'll and"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "I'll flash these up on screen because"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "the the the injections that were done in"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "these studies here with the animals were"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:35", "text": "showing 100% success and complete"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "ablation in breast cancer and it was"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "1100% growth in the control. Malignant"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "melanoma was 99% reduction in tumor"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "size, 360, 60% growth in the control."}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "And you keep going through these this"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "list. Colorctal 99.9%"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "reduction 900% growth in control. Why is"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "this so effective? The photosensitizer"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "in this case the methylene blue is"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "absorbing into the circulating tumor"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "cells and even the cancer stem cells and"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "then the light is activating and causing"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "bursts of uh reactive oxygen. It's a"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "five-fold increase of re in reactive"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "oxygen and this is highly toxic to"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:12", "text": "parasites. So you're creating an"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "environment that's hostile to parasites."}, {"start": "00:56:12", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "And in a in a basic sense, what you're"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "doing is like you don't realize that"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "that the parasites are sensitive to"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "light and it could kill them if it's uh"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "if if it's under the right parameters."}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "If you have high intensity light mixed"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "with a photosensitizer, then it's"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "creating an environment where they can't"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "survive in in that. And so they they"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "they want uh environments that are that"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "are darker that have low lower energetic"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "uh frequency and voltage because the"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "higher energetic voltage will will kill"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "them. It's part of the reason why PEMF"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "is also proven to kill parasites. And so"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "it just it's a nice overlap between okay"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": "these fascinating cancer studies that"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "are showing complete remission in many"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "cases like the the cutaneous bal"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:59", "text": "lymphoma study from 2006 a pilot study"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "all all three participants go into"}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "remission in a single week under"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "photodnamic therapy this under these"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "parameters I'm talking about and so"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "you'd never think about it working so"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:10", "text": "fast the larger studies like Lancet"}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "oncology publishing a prostate cancer"}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "study uh it increases the survival rates"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "particularly the remission rates by"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:20", "text": "close to 400%. So these are these are"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "big differences in large groups of"}, {"start": "00:57:20", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "people and it's working. And I'll tell"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "you this one mechanism and then I'd like"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "to hear what you think. So the the when"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "you create reactive oxygen, one of those"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "forms of reactive oxygen is called"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "singlet oxygen which is so it's actually"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "quite scary but it's completely normal"}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "and the body's creating it by itself. Um"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "uh lasers have been powered with singlet"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "oxygen to to take down airborne missiles"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "in military settings. It's not a common"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "usage, but it it has been used. So, if"}, {"start": "00:57:47", "end": "00:57:51", "text": "you watched it, you say, \"Man, look at"}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "this immense amount of energy that's"}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "causing explosions.\" And then you're"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "thinking about something that could be"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "so powerful to get rid of the toxic"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "cells and to kill cancer cells, cause"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "pro programmed cell death, apoptosis,"}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "and you've got an energy source. Singlet"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "oxygen is the primary reactive oxygen"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "species that is listed in like the"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "hundreds of cancer studies on"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "photodnamic therapy for the agent that's"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "actually killing the cancer in the body."}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:17", "text": "How amazing."}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:19", "text": ">> That's crazy. But it's not crazy. I"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "mean, it's just it's been suppressed,"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:22", "text": "you know? It that's the thing. It's like"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "we've known about some of this research"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "for more than a hundred years, but it's"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "been hidden from us because of the"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "cancer industrial complex. Um, and it's"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "just such a massive, massive industry,"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "chemotherapy, all of it. How much they"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "charge for chemotherapy. Um, to know"}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "that there are natural remedies out"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:41", "text": "there that you should explore. You"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "should do your own research on it. um"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:46", "text": "and see if it could be life- saving for"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:48", "text": "you. Um it's just so it's so"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "frustrating. It's so upsetting,"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:52", "text": ">> especially when you're you know, big"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "media and so forth all funded and paid"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "for by the big pharma pharmaceutical"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "complex that wants to keep you in this"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "perpetual state of toxicity. Um you"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "know, and then of course then treating,"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "you know, giving you chemotherapy to"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "treat the tumors and and all of that is"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "just horrifying. Someone in the chat"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "room asked about is this why they want"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "is this why we have um all of the"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "chemtrails in the sky. They want to"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "block out like the natural light as much"}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "as possible to keep us in this like"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "toxic state and you know therefore like"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "using red light therapy in your home is"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "like a some sort of a a salve to that"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "wound. I guess"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:31", "text": ">> I know what you mean. They openly talk"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "about and gloat about blocking the sun."}, {"start": "00:59:31", "end": "00:59:34", "text": ">> Yeah. Bill Gates openly talked about it."}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, they they tell you"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "they tell you what they're doing and and"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "we need the sun to survive and to thrive"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "and and and it's just it is criminal."}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "It's it's it's cruel. And it does help"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:53", "text": "us get around those issues. It does help"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "us get to higher intensities of light"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "that are very therapeutic and specific"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "uh in in the times that we're living in."}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "It helps us get around these issues. cuz"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "I often think about the fact that like"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "the the the group that were taking"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "selenium iron and vitamin D and the"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:08", "text": "thyroid study and the group that was"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "doing those three supplements and the"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "red light both groups if you imagine"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "like this is the area that's kind of"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "always exposed right like both you and I"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "got thyroid exposed and and women even"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "more so um and and you're going out into"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "light even if it's just a few minutes to"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "park your car why is it the red light"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "group outperformed the non- redlight"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "group by 70 times and so we do see this"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "both groups would have got sunlight. So,"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "so I'm saying like when you when you"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "have something chronic that you're"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "dealing with, it does give you an"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:39", "text": "ability to accelerate the processes of"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "nature. You're able to get more"}, {"start": "01:00:39", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "therapeutic light at the at the"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "wavelengths that it's proven to to work"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:46", "text": "at. It's why I've showed those charts as"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "well where you see all the way from 480,"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "590, 630, 660. The the studies are all"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:53", "text": "done at these certain parameters. The"}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:57", "text": "eyesight study I mentioned 670. The stem"}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "cell studies 8 810 830 660. um the"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "they're all done on specific"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "wavelengths, right? So, if you want to"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "make sure that you're not guessing and"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "wondering, you know, is this working,"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "you use the same parameters in the study"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "or a wavelength that is very similar."}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "1060 is the deepest part of near"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "infrared light that's getting all the"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:16", "text": "way to the center of the bones and uh"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "the center of the organs as are most of"}, {"start": "01:01:16", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "the wavelengths within the 800 spectrum"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:21", "text": "of near infrared. Interestingly enough,"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "you can't see any of them, right? all"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "they they're all invisible and that's"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "why you're using dual lights to have"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "both red and near infrared coming out of"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "all the light sources. But anyway, so by"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "using the wavelengths that are in the"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "studies because these these are the key"}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "takeaways because then people like oh I"}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "might have tried red light and it didn't"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "work for me. What if you use something"}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:42", "text": "that had 10 times less the power?"}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:44", "text": "You wouldn't know, right? How do you"}, {"start": "01:01:42", "end": "01:01:46", "text": "know whether it's a Christmas light or"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "not? And that's where, you know, I I'll"}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "show here on the screen like the the"}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "radiance tests like which which I showed"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "before, the amount of power, then the"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "wavelengths that are showing up so that"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "you know that they're in there because"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "you're really banking on that because"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "that's where the data is coming from."}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "I'm I'm testing the study via the the"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:05", "text": "wavelength of light that's used and the"}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:08", "text": "amount of power in that light. And if"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "there's a photo sensitizer used, then I"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "I may replicate that. Methylene Blue is"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "the biggest outperformer in in in the"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "group by far. Um and and then if it's"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "pulse wave or or constant wave and if"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "it's pulseed it's typically 40 100 hertz"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:25", "text": "which you could just put that in like I"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "just showed you. So very simple and in"}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:28", "text": "that sense you find yourself guessing a"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:30", "text": "lot more with medication and even with"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:32", "text": "supplements because you don't really"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "know uh exactly what's in there. But"}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "with light it's very easy to measure"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "which is why I show meters. And if it's"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "there, you could just safely go, you"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:42", "text": "know what, I know because there's a lot"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "of other people in random like"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "randomized control trials that have"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "shown that this works. So, it's it's"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "very clear to me. And then people will"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "actually do it cuz most people don't"}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:51", "text": "follow through with things, Clayton,"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "because they don't really believe"}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:55", "text": "because they don't have enough data to"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "convince them. And this kind of solves"}, {"start": "01:02:55", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "that for most people."}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:01", "text": ">> I love it. Well, we've got we got"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "thousands of comments and I can't get"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:04", "text": "through all of them, so I tried to"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "combine a bunch of them here. And what"}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "we'll have to do is just have you back"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "on. 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They want to get a I think"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:26", "text": "you were kind enough to give us 25% off"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "as well for anyone watching that wants"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:30", "text": "to try one of these red light panels in"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "their home. There's all sorts of sizes."}, {"start": "01:03:30", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "There's expensive ones, there's cheap"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "ones, there's large ones, there's small"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "ones. So, try them out. Um, just go to"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "myredite.com/redacted."}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "We'll put it up here on the screen. My"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "redlight.com/redacted"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "and use the code redacted 25 to get 25%"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:50", "text": "off. We'll have a link in the"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "description. We'll also have a pinned"}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "comment. So, because I so so many people"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:55", "text": "in the comments are like, \"Where do I"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "find it? Where do I find it?\" It's right"}, {"start": "01:03:55", "end": "01:03:59", "text": "there in the description and right there"}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:04:02", "text": "in the pinned comment. So check it out"}, {"start": "01:03:59", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "if you want to save that 25% as well. Go"}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "ahead Jonathan."}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:09", "text": ">> Oh yeah. No thank you Clayton. This is"}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "this becomes then the most important"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "part for people right because"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:16", "text": "information is great and applied"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "information then becomes where you you"}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:23", "text": "you can actually get results. And so uh"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "you'll only ever know if you try it. And"}, {"start": "01:04:23", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "you only ever know if you try something"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:31", "text": "that you you feel like is is a is a top"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "performer in its category, right? And so"}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:35", "text": "if people, you know, they they they have"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "there's there's many different um"}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "options when it comes to red light."}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "There's many different therapies I've"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:41", "text": "talked about. I I still reference people"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:43", "text": "back to some of these other sites for"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:45", "text": "other tools that I would use in"}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "combination if if you're if you're going"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "after something chronic or if you know"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "what red light makes sense. I think"}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "about my 87year-old grandma where she uh"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "she had a lot of problems. I I I believe"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "I mentioned her story, but she's 87 and"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "she was having a lot of cognitive"}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "decline. I believe it was the the shots"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:04", "text": "that that she took. I you know, what do"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "I know, though? Uh but the cognitive"}, {"start": "01:05:04", "end": "01:05:07", "text": "decline meant that she couldn't maintain"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "stability, so she'd fall a lot. She got"}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:10", "text": "seven stitches. 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And for the year, so over the next"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:34", "text": "10 years, she would actually save uh"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:35", "text": "it's about $100 a month for thyroid"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "medication generally for people for"}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "synthroidorate or letharoxin. So that's"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "saving $12,000 a year. Sorry. For for"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "the next 10 years, sorry. For the next"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:47", "text": "10 years, if you were to do the math uh"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "on that, you look at like you've got"}, {"start": "01:05:47", "end": "01:05:54", "text": "your two children using the the light uh"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "that that you have in your home there."}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "You got your mother-in-law using one,"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:05:59", "text": "too. And she she also had improvement in"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "her eyesight, right? She could watch the"}, {"start": "01:05:59", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "movie. Was that Ryan?"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:04", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. Improved eyesight,"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "improved Yeah. thyroid condition, all of"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "that. So"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:07", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. So, she has seen improvement"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "in her thyroid condition already."}, {"start": "01:06:07", "end": "01:06:10", "text": ">> Yeah. I haven't talked to her in in a"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "little bit, so I have to get an update"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:15", "text": "from her, but she um she's a huge fan."}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "She's a huge fan. So, yeah, it's been"}, {"start": "01:06:15", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "it's been a game changer. So,"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:20", "text": ">> respondent."}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I just want people to take"}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:24", "text": "advantage of this and to do research on"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "it themselves. So, you know, check out"}, {"start": "01:06:24", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "the website, see if it's a fit for you,"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "but at least, you know, be empowered"}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "with this information. Maybe this is"}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:32", "text": "just the first interview or discussion"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "you've ever heard about it. You know,"}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "just start doing research on it. you"}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:37", "text": "know, start reading books on it, start"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "reading the peer-reviewed studies on it,"}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:41", "text": "start reading the research papers on it."}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:43", "text": "Um, and also look how they're trying to"}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "suppress it from you, you know, because"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "Google and other search results, if you"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:48", "text": "try to look things up, they're going to"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "they're going to feed you stuff that"}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "comes from big pharma, big"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "pharmaceutical companies, um, as a"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:56", "text": "replacement. They're going to try to"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "tell you that things don't work, right?"}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:00", "text": "That's how this operates. Um, and you"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "saw that during COVID. So, just, you"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:04", "text": "know, do your own research and uh and,"}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:05", "text": "you know, hopefully make a change in"}, {"start": "01:07:04", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "your life. So,"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:08", "text": ">> Jonathan, I'd love to have you back on."}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:10", "text": "Let's do this again and let's do a deep"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "dive again. Anybody who has questions,"}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "specific questions, leave them in the"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "comments and we'll try to get to the"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "next round of questions, maybe next time"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:19", "text": "we have you on a few months from now."}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:21", "text": ">> No, thank you so much. And and guys,"}, {"start": "01:07:19", "end": "01:07:24", "text": "when you're checking out uh the the site"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:26", "text": "mylight.com/redacted,"}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "make sure to use those codes cuz we want"}, {"start": "01:07:26", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "you guys to secure those discounts."}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "redacted 25 like Clayton mentioned for"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:34", "text": "25% off and 30% off for the bundles. U"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "and we'll have that available for a"}, {"start": "01:07:34", "end": "01:07:37", "text": "limited time. So yeah, grab it while"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:39", "text": "it's available for those that really"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "want that cuz we we like people to get"}, {"start": "01:07:39", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "help and get the savings. So thank you"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:44", "text": "for having me. And just remember as well"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "like when you see others that are"}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "getting results on something, it it then"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "becomes something that could be a"}, {"start": "01:07:47", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "powerful tool for you. It doesn't make a"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "difference for us whether you whether"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:53", "text": "you choose us uh but it could make a"}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "real difference for you and it's why the"}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:56", "text": "the hope for cancer treatment centers"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:07:58", "text": "are using our devices in their patient"}, {"start": "01:07:56", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "program. It's why a lot of these top"}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "doctors that I mentioned that that are"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:04", "text": "that are treating like all the chronic"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:06", "text": "and difficult conditions. They're using"}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:08", "text": "our devices. Dr. Dan Pompa, all the"}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "amazing successes you've heard on on"}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "this case series. You'll see the doctors"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:13", "text": "that have been talking about my work"}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:15", "text": "there. And it's the tools, the quality"}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "of the tools that are able to then get"}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "the result. And um so yeah, check us out"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:22", "text": "and we'd love to serve and support you"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "and we've got a lot of great free gifts"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "there and and training material as well"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:26", "text": "to help you follow through on what"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "you're working on because that's what"}, {"start": "01:08:26", "end": "01:08:29", "text": "matters the most and seeing"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:31", "text": "transformations is why I do what I do."}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "So thank you for having me, Clayton."}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:35", "text": ">> Thank you and thanks to all of you for"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "watching. Really appreciate that. Thanks"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "for subscribing and uh yeah, really hope"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "that this can change some lives. So"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "we'll see you next time everyone. Thank"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "you."}]

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Where is all of this heading?"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "Joining us now is Joe Ken, former"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "director of the National"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "Counterterrorism Center and retired US"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "Army Green Beret. And Joe, of course,"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "has been at the center of the debate"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "over America's Iran policy and the"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "future of US involvement in the Middle"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "East, being really a clear-headed voice"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "in all of this. Joe, welcome back to the"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "show. Great to see you."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> Great to be with you both. Thank you for"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "having me."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> Well, first on this New York Times"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "question. I mean, I know it's like a"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "30,000 foot level question, but what do"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "you make of this question? Are we"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "already in World War II? And if so,"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "maybe how is it different than the World"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "Wars that we're that we're accustomed to"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "watching on the History Channel?"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "I mean, I think it's pretty evident to"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "you both and probably most your viewers"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "because you're paying attention to this"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "that World War III has has definitely"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "began. It's in the early phases. I"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "believe that we can still kind of rein"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "this back with the proper leadership. I"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "think there is still time to walk this"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "back before things are just, you know,"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "so far off the rails that we experienced"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "a catastrophic war. But I am kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "glad to see the New York Times at least"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "asking the question. I mean when when we"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "have a regional war like the war with"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "Iran that is involving you know most the"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "most the regional powers in the Middle"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "East it's involving us and then you have"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "the Russia Ukraine conflict where we"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "have been supporting the Ukrainians NATO"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "has been supporting the Ukrainians and"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "that war is continuing to escalate and"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "now we're seeing a blending of the two"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "fronts for quite some time the Iranians"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "have been supporting the Russians with"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "drones and with some other uh military"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "assistance and then recently we saw the"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "Ukrainians uh take a strike uh in the"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "Caspian sea uh against an Iranian"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "vessel. And so I I fear that these two"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "fronts could become blended and as one"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "escalates the other one escalates as as"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "well. I fear that if we see some kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "escalation uh because of President"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "Trump's frustration with the uh status"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "of the Straits of Hormuz and our"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "inability to get a clear victory with"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Iran that Israel uh escalates and uses"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "some form of a nuclear weapon which"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "would essentially then greenlight uh"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "Putin using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "which would then be right on the"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "doorstep of of Europe and then after"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "that you know kind of all bets are off."}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "So I I think we're in a very dicey"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "situation right now. We just had the CIA"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "director fly over to to Moscow. Who"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "knows what they, you know, precisely"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "discussed, but I think it's pretty"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "obvious we are trying to get the"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "Russians not to escalate anything any"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "further. However, I don't know why the"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "Russians would take us seriously because"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "we've made no effort whatsoever to"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "restrain the Ukrainians. The Russians"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "know that we're kind of spread thin"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "right now. So, I mean, I I think we're"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "we're teetering on the verge of this"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "thing getting uh to the point where it"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "can't be put back in the box. So, I"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "think we've got a limited amount of"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "opportunity right now to stop this war"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "from from spiraling even further."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> And yet, the war continues to have a low"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "record of support. And so, we"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "continuously see these stories from"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "mainstream media. Last week it was Iran"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "hacked a British power plant. Uh this"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "week it's China hacked the Federal"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "Reserve. We don't have any proof of"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "that. It's just escalating rhetoric that"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "these are our enemies and so I don't"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "know why they're still doing this"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "because it doesn't work. What do you"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "make of these continuously unsourced"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "stories of fear-mongering?"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> Well, I I think because the the American"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "people are weary of wars, which is"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "ironically a big reason why President"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "Trump won the election. you know, both"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "in all the all the times that President"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "Trump has won the presidency, he has run"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "heavily on, you know, uh, reputing"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "American foreign policy in particular in"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "the Middle East. So, the American people"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "are sick of these wars. That that that's"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "obvious. All the polling says that."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "However, the uniart in Washington DC,"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "they want this war. This is why you're"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "not seeing any Democrats really come out"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "in a meaningful way right now and attack"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "President Trump. They're using it as"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "some red meat here and there, and"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "they'll say some stuff in some hearings"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "every now and again to, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "Secretary of War, the Secretary of"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "State, but there's no real Democrat"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "opposition to this war. This is"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "Washington DC's consensus. They want"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "this war. Now, they know that if this"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "war continues to expand, the American"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "people are going to be hurt more"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "economically than they already have"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "been. Uh, the price of the pump, cost of"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "living, inflation, etc. But if this war"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "does accelerate and the two wars"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "combined, which if you listen to the the"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "neocons in Washington DC, uh, backed by"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "the the Israel lobby and all the"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "Atlanticists and, you know, big"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "supporters of NATO and the war in"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "Ukraine, they want these wars to merge"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "and they want to get the American people"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "on board. So, I think they are trying to"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "sell, hey, there's a a combination of"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "like the Russians who we all know are"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "secret commies and they're combining"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "with the Islamist um you know, Iranians"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "and this is an existential threat and"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "look at all these different things that"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "are happening and it's we're on the"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "precipice and so we need to take action"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "now. I mean, it's just the same old you"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "know, propaganda that we've heard in the"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "leadup to every single war. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "saying that all the stories are false."}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "For us to think that we're going to be"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "conducting all the military actions that"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "we're conducting throughout the world"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "and some of it's not going to come back"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "here and and hit us in some way, shape,"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "or form, that would be extremely naive."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "But I think there is a narrative that is"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "being crafted right now um with people"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "on the left, people on the right, and"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "just the mainstream media in general"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "that is trying to get the American"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "people ready for some kind of a a a new"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "war. They've already been vilifying the"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "Russians and vilifying Putin now uh for"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "quite some time. And then we we have all"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "of the the tired, you know, George W."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "Bush talking points about the terrorists"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "and we've been calling the Iranians"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "terrorists now since this war began."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "That combined with, you know, we we have"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "to stop them from having a nuclear"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "weapon. It's it's really just a roll out"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "all over again in the 2003 talking"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "points. But like you said, I mean, this"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "this these propaganda techniques, they"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "they work or at least they work enough"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "to give some semblance of a political"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "consensus. But I think the"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "administration knows that it's not going"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "to work. Which is why the administration"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "took no effort whatsoever to sell the"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "Iran war. They just woke up on February"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "28 and next thing you know we're we're"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "in this war and they didn't make any"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "effort whatsoever to sell it to us."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> This is a paid advertisement for Rumble"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "Wallet. They are sponsoring this [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "ad. And if you want to directly talk to"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "us, you can use Rants using Rumble"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "Wallet. Rumble rants. Rumble wallet"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "rants [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "get top priority. 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I'm"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "going to say history was on your side."}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "That's not a question. I just wanted to"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "say that. Go ahead, Clayton."}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": ">> Well, I don't I don't like being right,"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "though. I I wish I wish I would have"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "been wrong. I wish President Trump would"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "have been like, you know, Kent and"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "Tucker and Redacted. They're a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "panakins and he would have said the"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "whole thing was was great and I won, you"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "know, the day after I resigned or"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "whatever. Um, but here but here we are."}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "So unfortunately"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": ">> there was an article I mean totally"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "somewhat related but the other day about"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "how Trump is now losing the manosphere"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "just like that headline popped up like"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "men like yourself like myself people who"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "maybe were supportive of President Trump"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "or at least the idea of no new wars in"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "the Middle East and we're going to focus"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "on the United States of America these"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "men who like all of them feel duped like"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "the underlying message was they all feel"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "duped and call them panicans call them"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "whatever you want but now these men are"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "like just turning against the president"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "in a big big way. Um, I think a lot of"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "people feel duped. Again, not really a"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "question, but um, just kind of a"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "statement of something I saw. I want to"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "ask you about the propaganda piece"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "because I think you were one of the"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "things you're kind of pointing out there"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "is this idea of a false flag, like we"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "don't support this and this idea of,"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "well, we're going to need like another"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "9/11 style event. You know, Mike Pompeo"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "is all over Fox News over the past few"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "days once again. like you, you know,"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "you're seeing the BBC, you're seeing the"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "UK uh silence independent media voices"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "and trying to elevate like the BBC and"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "and state-run media. You're seeing the"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "same thing in Canada. It's only a matter"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "of time, I think, before the same thing"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "happens here in the United States, more"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "suppression of independent voices so you"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "can rally the sort of fake support"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "around this idea of a war against Russia"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "and Iran. I mean, I I I I don't want to"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "say that, you know, that this is going"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "to happen. I'm just I I want to sort of"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "warn people that these things are seem"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "to be coming. Is that kind of what"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "you're alluding to that there needs to"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "be some sort of rallying false flag and"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "they're hoping to kind of rally us"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "together against this."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> I think that's a possibility and I I"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "think the the one rule of thumb that we"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "should all stick to at this point is"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "just question everything. Um because"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "like Charlie Kirk said, question"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "everything because it's the only thing"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "that keeps us free. Um we have no"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "obligation whatsoever at this point to"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "to trust our government. And I think a"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "big reason, you know, I think this is"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "combined with the whole, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "question of why men are, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "starting to say, \"Hey, I feel betrayed"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "by by the Trump administration.\" One of"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "Trump's big appeals was that he was the"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "guy who questioned everything. Uh, and"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "so a lot of what, you know, I think this"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "generation of young male voters who"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "helped President Trump uh come into"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "power and young people in general was"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "that, hey, we we do question everything."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "And so I think these two things are are"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "very related. President Trump is losing"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "a lot of support with, you know, his"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "core base and a lot of really young men"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "who came up questioning COVID, you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "questioning the the BLM riots,"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "questioning January 6, questioning, you"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "know, mail-in ballots in the election."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "But now we're just told that like, you"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "know, Iran was 5 minutes away from"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "getting a nuclear weapon and we need to"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "be allin with this war. We should be"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "very very wary of any potential false"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "flags. But we what I think is more"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "dangerous is that we are playing with"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "fire right now on two very very hostile"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "uh fronts. We basically refuse to leave"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "this Iran war. President Trump knows he"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "can't, you know, extract a military"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "victory out of Iran. He knows the"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "diplomacy track is basically dead"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "because when we had an opportunity to"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "offramp with theou within less than a"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "week, we basically blew up theou and and"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "President Trump is not leaving. He's not"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "withdrawing our forces from the region."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "He's leaving them over there within"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "striking distance of the Iranians. Both"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "the Iranians and the Houthis have proven"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "they can hit hit our boats that are out"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "there uh in the ocean. The Houthis just"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "conducted a strike that was, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "several several hundred kilometers, you"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "know, away from uh where they they"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "launched the missiles. So they on a"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "boat. So they actually have the ability"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "to conduct these type types of strikes."}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "And so I think for us to say that we're"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "going to throw economic D-Day at Iran"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "and we're basically going to starve"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "their people and make them endure all"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "kind of economic hardship while we leave"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "our troops within range, it's basically"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "asking for the Iranians just to strike"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "us to give us a justification to go"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "right back into the war. If that wasn't"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "the case, then what President Trump"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "would do is he would pull out our troops"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "and he'd pull he'd pull our uh naval"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "blockade away so the Iranians couldn't"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "actually hit it and then he would say,"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "\"Okay, now I'm going to sanction you"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "guys and there's nothing really that you"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "could do about it. if you if you want"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "relief from the sanctions then now we"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "can talk shop and you can open the"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "straits of Cormuz but he's not doing"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "that he's leaving our forces there where"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "they can still be hit so we're poking"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "the Iranians and saying like you know"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "just take it on the chin and the"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "Iranians are even coming out and saying"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "we're not just going to take this we"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "we're going to strike back so we're"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "setting ourselves up to be dragged right"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "back into this and to me because we"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "should know what's going to happen it"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "seems very very deliberate and to a"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "lesser extent uh the same thing is"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "taking place with uh on the Russia"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "Ukraine front I mean for for a very long"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "time now. We've been obviously uh"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "funding and supplying Ukraine with"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "intelligence and weaponry and that they"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "are now striking Russian civilian"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "infrastructure and they're striking"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "energy. But then we're going to go to"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "the Russians and say like, \"Hey, you"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "guys can't hit back.\" So we are"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "basically doing everything to stoke the"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "fire and it could kick off in a way that"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "we haven't predicted and the next thing"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "you know we are in this and then we are"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "going to need the American people to"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "rally behind because we're going to"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "pretend like you know the audacious and"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "and evil enemy has struck us in a way"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "that was just you know not not"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "predictable because we are fighting like"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "gentlemen and they're they're now"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "fighting like you know dirty terrorists"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "or you know crazy Russians or crazy"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "communists or whatever. Um, so yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "think these are incredibly dangerous"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "times and and the amount of propaganda"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "that's being applied onto the American"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "people right now, uh, makes that very"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "evident."}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": ">> I mean, it's Yeah, we're gonna need like"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "a red dawn moment from the 1980s, like"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "this is the enemy. We're being invaded"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "by Russia to rally us around. I'm glad"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "you brought up Russia Ukraine because"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "what with this economic D-Day against"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "Iran, I mean, Russia's not just going to"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "sit back. I don't think China's going to"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "sit back either. Um, what do you what do"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "you think would will be the response? um"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "from Russia, China, if this is really"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "strangling Iran to the point of of, you"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "know, nearing death, I guess, is what"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "the administration would love to see"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": ">> You know, it's interesting because we've"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "just overplayed sanctions so much over"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "the last several decades that by the"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "time we go and say that like we're going"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "to throw economic D-Day at a country, I"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "mean, Iran's been under sanctions now"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "since their in since the Islamic"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "Republic's inception. So, for 47 years,"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "these guys have been under sanctions."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "So, I I'm not sure how scared they get"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "when any American official comes out and"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "like we're going to sanction you. It's"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "the secondary sanctions that could"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "sting, but you know, like like I mean"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "Scott Bon himself said during the press"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "conference when he was asked like, \"Why"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "aren't you applying the secondary"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "sanctions now?\" And he said like, \"What"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "makes you think I'd want to tank the"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "entire world economy?\" Something to that"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "effect. So, if we're really going to go"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "through with the secondary sanctions,"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "we're going to hurt ourselves like way"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "more than we're going to hurt the"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "Iranians. That's why I kind of think I'm"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "glad that we're not escalating anymore"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "militarily. I mean, two weeks ago, you"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "know, President Trump was talking about"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "going back to the battlefield in a very"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "big way and using all that really"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "bombastic rhetoric. So, I'm glad we've"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "backed off from that. But again, this is"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "where I like cynically I'm just like I"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "don't know how serious these sanctions"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "are. Now, Russia and China and and"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "basically most other countries in the"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "world because of the Ukraine the Russia"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "Ukraine war, they have started coming up"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "with alternative workarounds from the"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "dollar. And again, this is a place where"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "we we threw the kitchen sink of"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "sanctions at Russia right after the"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "Russia right after Russia invaded"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "Ukraine. We threw them off swift and"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "that was supposed to be like some, you"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "know, death blow to the Russians, but"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "they they endured and Right. It made"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "Exactly. It's laughable. That made China"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "China stronger. This war with Iran made"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "China stronger. I mean, we actually had"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "to pull our naval assets out of the"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "Pacific, which is absolute insanity"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "considering the Pacific actually is our"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "border and not the Middle East to go"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "reinforce what's taking place here. The"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "petro dollars being eroded. So, we just"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "continue to shoot ourselves in the foot"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "and China's going to sit back and laugh."}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "So, I think if we actually go through of"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "any of the secondary sanctions, I I"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "think China is just going to sit back"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "and they're going to go to the rest of"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "the world and say, \"Hey, we're we are"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "the stability. We're the stable power."}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "You want to do business with us, move"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "away from doing business with the"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "Iranians, if it even gets that far.\" I"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "think the Iranians right now are are"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "going to have to either strike us back"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "or put a lot of effort into keeping the"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "Straits of Hormuz restricted to hurt us"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "economically, which in turn is probably"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "going to make us strike them back when"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "Trump gets frustrated that the economic"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "D-Day isn't working."}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": ">> But this is what I think should break"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "your loyalty to partisan politics, if"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "you're paying attention at all. This"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "idea that we have a new idea, sanctions"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "on Iran. Okay, Obama did this to great"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "effect for the whole of his presidency."}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "And in fact, he tried to ramp up"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "sanctions time and time again. So if"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "you're not paying attention, they do the"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "same This is not new. This is not"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "new information. So how they could"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "launch this as if like this is it. This"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "is what's going to, you know, you have"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "to laugh because you know better."}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "Otherwise, you're their pawns. I just"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "can't understand how they could do this"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "with a straight face. We've been there."}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "We did this. Go ahead."}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:37", "text": ">> Well, no. I was going to say Bessant"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "really didn't do it with a straight"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "face. I mean, if you if you watched his"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "press conference, he was like out of"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "breath. It was almost like as if he"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "didn't believe it. You had his old like"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "co-host or cohort Stanley Drunken Miller"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "writing a piece in the Wall Street"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "Journal basically saying, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "US dollar is is is collapsing. Um, you"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "better stop this debt spiral that you're"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "causing in the United States. So you"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "have like his old friend publishing this"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "Wall Street Journal piece kind of and"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "he's out there. It almost sounded like"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "he didn't believe it. I mean I you know"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "like he was just kind of carrying in the"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "water for the administration. That's"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "kind of what it sound like to me. Joe."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean he's a very knowledgeable"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "person on finance and markets. I mean"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "look at his background. So he's he's no"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "lightweight. So I yeah I think that"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "probably explains his demeanor during"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "that press conference. I think it's hard"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "when you're deeply knowledgeable on a"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "subject to get out there and sell"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "something that you just know isn't going"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "to work. I mean, just like the economic"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "D-Day. I mean, you know, in theory,"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "like, if you're going to sanction"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "somebody there for in order for them to"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "do what you want, you have to have there"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "has to be some way for you to walk that"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "back. And otherwise, they're not going"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "to change their behavior. It's hard for"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "us to go from we're going to kill all"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "your leadership, including your supreme"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "leader, to now we're going to sanction"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "you. I mean, what are they going to say?"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "Like, okay, or you're going to do what?"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "Kill our leaders? Like, we're kind of"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "back to square one. So, I I think unless"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "you have a lot of skill at uh at kind at"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "acting, it's it's hard to sell a lot of"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "these policies that just fundamentally"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "are are not serious and just kind of"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "meant to manipulate the markets and the"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "American people."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:04", "text": ">> I just want to ask you before we let you"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "go about the idea, you know, of"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "counterterrorism. Of course, that was uh"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "your your previous job and there have"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "been some things that haven't really"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "been reported over the past couple of"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "weeks in the United States. they've kind"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "of been buried, but major air traffic"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "control outages um you know in major"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "airports I think through Minnesota and"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "other places that haven't gotten any"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "reporting um where they had to divert"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "traffic over the United States and we're"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "not just talking like one tower went"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "down like multiple independent towers"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "down fiber lines separating separated"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "from each other down um and so I guess"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "and I think about the grid in the United"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "States and I think about our sort of"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "fragile cyber network. And then"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "Natalie's question earlier about the"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "idea of the Fed being hacked by China."}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "Like, is this the kind of new warfare"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "that we're we're going to have to get"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "used to in the United States? And how"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "can we trust like where it's coming"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "from? Is it coming from our own deep"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "state or is it legitimately coming from"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "China or Russia or some other place?"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:08", "text": ">> Well, with a lot of these, I I think we"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "we kind of don't know. And that's where"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "it's a dangerous environment. And this"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "this um a big problem with spending all"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "of our money and resources on yet"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "another war in the Middle East is that"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "our infrastructure, whether we're"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "talking about just the quality of the"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "roads you drive on or like our actual"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "cyber infrastructure and our power grid"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "that keeps us alive and fed, all of that"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "takes a backseat to the wars that that"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "are going on in the in the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "I mean, just look at how much our"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "quality of life has deteriorated in"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "America since, you know, 9/11. People"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "make memes all the time, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "world that you knew is is no longer here"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "because life, you know, was better in"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "many ways uh pre 911. And that's not,"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "you know, because Osama bin Laden"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "attacked us. That's because of the wars"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "that we launched as a a result of 9/11."}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "You know, the crackdown on our civil"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "liberties, but like right now, this is a"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "great I mean, President Trump ran on a a"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "broad set of domestic policies that"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "resonated with a lot of American people,"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "like lowering the cost of living, a"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "secure border, you know, cleaning up the"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "crime. these types of things and he"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "hasn't been able to prioritize any of"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "those agenda items because all of the"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "effort is going into the war in Iran."}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "And every now and again, you know, they"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "see they they they did they they sealed"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "the border. There's no more massive"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "invasion like there was under the Biden"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "administration. And that's great, but"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "it's kind of doing the minimum. But"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "everything else, whether it's, you know,"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "getting the illegals out of our country"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "who are actually dangerous, like that"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "simply has not happened in a meaningful"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "way yet. uh the the fact that inflation"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "is still out of control, the price of"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "the pump, all of our efforts are going"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "into this war that most American people"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "have no idea what, you know, why we're"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "fighting it and they don't support it."}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "And it's the same thing with our"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "infrastructure. I think we do have real"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "threats here. There are real terrorist"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "organizations that do want to harm us"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "here in America. Um but instead of"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "addressing those in a very surgical,"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "methodical, and focused way, we're"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "picking a new fight and we're going to"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "create a new set of blowback terrorism"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "that that's going to affect us here in"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "America. Um most of the uh terrorist"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "acts that we had by uh by individuals"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "over the last year or so, they have"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "stated in some way, shape or form that"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "they were inspired by what took place in"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "Gaza and the images coming out of Gaza."}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "I fear, and I hope that I'm wrong, but I"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "I fear we're going to see a similar wave"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "here in America, people saying that they"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "were inspired by, you know, what we've"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "done uh in the war in Iran. And so the"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "big question is, is any of this worth"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "it? Is it worth us prioritizing the war"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "in Iran and taking our eye off fixing"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "our grid, securing our grid? uh and just"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "really at the end of the day taking care"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "of our own people. And I think if you"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "went and ask most Americans, they would"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "say no, absolutely not. They want our"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "priorities here addressed and not yet"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "another foreign war in the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:39", "text": ">> Well, right. I mean%"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": ">> the Pulse nightclub shooting was a"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "response to foreign bombing abroad. It"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "was not a homophobic act and yet that"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "was hidden from us. Uh so I want to ask"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "you a little bit about Syria. I know"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "Clayton said he was asking the last"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "question, but I'm going to uh because"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "now sanctions have been left on lifted"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "on Syria because we've got an al-Qaeda"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "terrorist at the lead at the presidency"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "who is our puppet now. So, I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "guess that would be a formula that Iran"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "could follow. If you just put an"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "American puppet in the seat, then"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "sanctions are lifted. Um, how does that"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "strike you? because that seems extremely"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "hypocritical on our part. But say"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:23", "text": ">> yeah, I mean we are where we are. Like I"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "I was really really um apprehensive"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "about us engaging with Alshara Galani"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "and we should still keep an eye on him."}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "Um but we are where we are now and so"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "far all we can do is look at the actions"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "that he's he's taken and in general he's"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "kind of doing the right stuff. He's he's"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "caught in a in a tough spot because he's"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "got the Israelis on one side and the"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "Turks on the other and they're at each"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "other's throats. he's sitting on"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "basically um a a he's sitting on top of"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "a bunch of different al-Qaeda and former"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "ISIS people who brought him to power who"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "want him to be much more extreme. Um so"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "right now he might not be the best guy."}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "We may not like him but whoever comes"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "after him and this should be a lesson"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "you know for the people who are saying"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "you know we could do better etc. If he"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "does get you know killed or removed in"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "some way shape or form then Syria is"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "going to go into a chaotic situation. So"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "I think at this point considering the"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "steps that he's actually taking to"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "integrate the Kurdish forces etc."}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "um were in a decent spot with him. Now,"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "if you if you take the logic that we've"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "used with with Shara and you apply it to"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "the Iranians, there's no reason why we"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "shouldn't be inviting the leadership of"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "the Iranians to to meet us somewhere"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "neutral and then eventually invite them"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "to Washington DC to sign a peace"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "agreement. There's no reason why we"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "shouldn't be aggressively pursuing"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "peace. I mean, Ahmed Alshara, he killed"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "Americans in in Iraq, or at least fought"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "against us in Iraq. It was in one of our"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "prisons inside of Iraq. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "Iranians, sure, they supported uh a lot"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "of the terrorists that were there, a lot"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "of the insurgents that were there in"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "Iraq as well. But if we can basically"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "say, \"Hey, we're realists. We're going"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "to accept the world as it is, and we can"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "make peace with Shara's past. Uh there"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "is no reason why we can't make make"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "peace with the Iranians past.\" If you"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "just look at the way the Iranians have"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "conducted themselves throughout this"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "entire war, they have been very"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "deliberate. They have been very"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "pragmatic. They have been very measured."}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "Uh and so I I think that they have shown"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "us over the last year or so, last two"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "years basically, that they're rational"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "actors and we can make a deal with them."}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "So I I say, \"Hey, look, if we're going"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "to go down this this this road with"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "Ahmed Alshara and we can we can kind of"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "accept that bitter pill, there's no"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "reason why we can't aggressively pursue"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "peace with the Iranian regime right now"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "in an effort to deescalate this"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "situation so that we don't get sucked"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "into a a 20-year"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:38", "text": ">> quagmire.\""}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "Yeah. Remarkable. And and to have that"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "country not have sanctions where maybe"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "maybe it could pick itself back up"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "again. was one of the most peaceful"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "countries in the world a number of years"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "ago. Yeah. Not anymore."}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:51", "text": ">> That's so that's incredibly big of you"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "to be able to see Syria in this way"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "given that your personal losses in"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "Syria. You lost your wife in that war on"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "terror and now we've turned around and"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "changed our um policy. And so I just"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "want to commend you on being able to see"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "that rationally and what's best for for"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "everybody because I might have a hard"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "time with that take. So thank you for"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "sharing. I I appreciate that. Last uh"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "two trips I took as the National"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "Counterterrorism Center director were"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "were into Syria to help get some of the"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "ISIS prisoners, the hardened ISIS"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "prisoners transferred out to the Iraqi"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "government and then work on the uh the"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "Syrian Defense Force, the Kurdish"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "integration. Um and just seeing all"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "that's country that that that country"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "has been through and to see that there"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "are people there in that region that are"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "actually trying to work diligently"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "towards getting a peace. I actually"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "think it's very very uh inspirational"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "and I I think there's a lot that we can"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "learn from how the Syrian people and the"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "Iraqi people uh and the people of that"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "region are trying to put themselves back"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "together and they truly want peace too."}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "I I think that there's a lot that we can"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "learn there and we'd be much better off"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "if we were following some of some of"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "their examples in this conflict with"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "Iran because no one none of the people"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "at the end of the day actually benefit"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "from more war in the region."}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:05", "text": ">> As Mr. Prinsel says here, Joe Kent is a"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "real American patriot. Joe Ken, thank"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "you so much for joining us today as"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "always. We really appreciate it. Thank"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "you for your analysis."}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:13", "text": ">> Thank you both very much. Appreciate it."}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:15", "text": ">> Thanks, Joe. Thank you so much for"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "watching Redacted. We'd love for you to"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "subscribe to the channel. It's totally"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "free if you want to follow us or"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "subscribe. 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Now, you'll notice here,"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "this is his YouTube version. 1.7,000 is"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "not a what I would call a lot of"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "subscribers or oh videos. Yeah. Um but"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "four so 400,000 subscribers is not a ton"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "for such a high-profile person but he"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "does get like he just launched a whole"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "series on justice Clarence Thomas. So"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "clearly he's trying to promote, you"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "know, he's"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "Why would you want his I'm just, you can"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "tell I'm struggling because he is such"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "adult. But anyway, some people do seem"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "to I don't know. Like here's the"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "question. Is it a shell game? Like they"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "don't even care if people listen because"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "this is the, you know, the storefront,"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "the cover. I don't know. So we're going"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "to talk to the uh author of this report."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Connor Eckles is the managing editor at"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "Responsible Statecraft and he broke the"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "story. Thank you so much for joining me."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> Thank you for having me on."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> All right, so what do you make of this?"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "Do you think he actually cares about the"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "podcast or do you think this is like a"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "purposeful ruse? Because I mean do you"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "think he really thinks people want to"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "listen to him in a podcast? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "You can you can tell what I'm asking"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "what I'm implying cuz he's"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": ">> right. I mean, it's an interesting it's"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "an interesting story because believe it"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "or not, people do listen to this podcast"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "as far as we can tell. So, you saw, of"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "course, that there's half a million"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "subscribers on YouTube. 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I'm not sure if there's"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "anything else like it. But now one of"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "their big uh sponsors, as of course the"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "report showed over the past few weeks at"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "the very least, is is the literal"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "government of Israel encouraging people"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "to to come to Israel and to sort of"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "revive tourism there. So it's it's a"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "sort of remarkable story. I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "guess it as journalists, you always have"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "the sponsors of your platform, but you"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "are supposed to act independently of"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "this, but Ted Cruz never acts"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "independently of the Israeli government."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "There's no daylight between what they"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "want and what he puts out. He said so"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "that his number one goal as an American"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "politician is to support Israel. So, you"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "know, there's no there's no daylight"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "here when you look at what he does, what"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "he says, what he promotes, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": ">> No, certainly not. There is a very"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "strong, you know, as you referenced,"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "Cruz is one of the most pro-Israel"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "people in Congress. He has taken"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "significant money from the pro-Israel"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "lobby. People like Miriam Aden, the wife"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "of late casino magnate and pro-Israel"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "donor uh Sheldon Aden. So, so he's"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "extremely tied into pro-Israel causes."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "He even said on Tucker Carlson's show"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "last year that he, you know, Apac raises"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "a lot of money for me basically, right?"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "So, so he's very much in lock step with"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "this and this is just another way for"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "Israel to sort of get more support"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "towards him. Uh, but it's it it is again"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "completely legal. That was sort of the"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "shocking part when I went through the"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "reporting of this cuz I even talked to"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "some of the people that uh or got"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "comment from some of the people who"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "brought the initial complaint against"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "Cruz at the Federal Election Commission"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "for this weird podcast arrangement deal."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "And they thought that it was illegal,"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "but the FCC said, \"You know what? In the"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "era of super PACs after Citizens United,"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "you just are allowed to have these sort"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "of arrangements that get around the meat"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "of campaign finance laws.\""}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> I mean, he complete ignorance, but not"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "anymore. like, oh, I don't know who, you"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "know, this is a third party selling ads"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "on the platform, but it's also a little"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "bit distasteful that there should be ads"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "on a politician's"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "media channel, but I guess that's"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "allowed too, right?"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. Well, so under this"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "arrangement, as long as they set it up"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "in this way, it is allowed. Uh, what's"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "interesting though is again, even if he"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "somehow didn't know about this, the"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "person doing the ad read was Ben"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "Ferguson, who is his co-host, right?"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "This was not some random person. There's"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "plenty of chance that he was in the"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "studio. So that this is he knows about"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:24", "text": ">> Okay. And so I went and I looked at one"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "of their videos for I am Israel. And"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "it's very much, you know, it's beautiful"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "here. I'm free here. You know, this is"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "an oppressed land but we rise kind of"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "things. Um if you look there were 11"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "comments, all of them positive. So, I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "fairly certain that they are deleting"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "comments because this is the kind of"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "thing that you see on X all the time"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "that just gets hammered of like, oh,"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "genocide tourism. There's not a single"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "comment like this. So, it is highly"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "curated, right?"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> Yeah, it certainly seems to be. And and"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "and the broader pitch here is very"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "clear. They've had events around this."}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "uh at the launch event in June for the I"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "am Israel campaign, they had the Israeli"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "ambassador to the US who made the point"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "that you know Israel has gone out and"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "fought these wars for the past few"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "years. It has gotten a lot of negative"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "press but it's defeated its enemies and"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "now it is the responsibility of this"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "campaign to bring the people back to"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "Israel. Uh the difference we we got the"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "numbers and and the monthly Americans"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "going to Israel in 2019 was something"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "like 100,000 and today that's down to"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "like 20,000. So this is a really big"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "difference and it's a really important"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "way for Israel to sort of do soft power"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "influence in the US especially among"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "Christians."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> Right. It's just not thought of as like"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "a you know destination Hawaii right now."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> No. [laughter] No, I wouldn't say so."}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> Connor, can I jump in and ask a question"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "here? I'm sorry to interrupt this a"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "flow, but I just can't help. I'm just on"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "their YouTube channel, The Verdict with"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "Ted Cruz. And [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "have you guys dug into these numbers? It"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "sounds like you have in in part, but I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "just curious because with 460,000"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "subscribers and 1.7,000"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "videos, you would think that the view"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "count on most of these videos would be"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "way higher, significantly higher. And"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "almost all of them have like under a,000"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "views per video. Um, you know, you're"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "864 views. One-on-one with Clarence"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "Thomas, part two, 1,7 view. 77 700"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "views. This one is probably the biggest"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "one with 260 1,000 views, but almost all"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "of them are like almost no views. 900"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "views, 4,000 views. Like, do you get the"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "sense? Because you can buy, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "you can buy subscribers. People do that."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "Um, you know, there people use like bot"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "farms and other places. This, it just"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "seems very fishy to me. I'm not accusing"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "anybody. I'm just saying it just seems"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "very fishy. These numbers seem"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "completely out of alignment to me."}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": ">> Yeah, my best guess on that I mean again"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "this is a guess. Uh we're sort of in in"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "speculation land here, but I think that"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "it was more popular initially and that"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "it became less popular over time because"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "so he first it was 2020 that he launches"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "the podcast and the idea is that it's"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "going to it was going to be where he"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "would defend uh Donald Trump during the"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "first impeachment that year. So he would"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "sort of use it as a political tool"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "there. It ended up taking off and"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "getting a lot of attention in those"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "first couple years. That leads to this"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "iHeart Media deal in 2022. And from"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "there, I think things started to sort of"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "flag a little bit. And if you look too"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "at the individual contributions, so you"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "can actually see each of the payments"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "that iHeart Media has given at least up"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "to the end of June of this year to the"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "podcast. And you can see these sort of"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "seem to go down a little bit uh after"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "spiking around 2024. So it seems as if"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "maybe there are fewer people listening"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "on the main feed too."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": ">> Think about what passes through your"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "family group chat in a normal week. Of"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "course, school pickups, vacation plans,"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "kids come clean your room, uh photos,"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "medical updates, addresses, even"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "financial decisions. You trust the"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "people in that group. But how much do"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "you trust the platform that is holding"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "those chats, the company operating the"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "app? Well, that's where Keat comes in."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "They give families another option. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "a free messaging and video calling app"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "built peer-to-peer with endtoend"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "encryption with no centralized company"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "database holding the family"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "conversation. Keat doesn't just track"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "metadata. Nobody needs to provide a"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "phone number or email to join. 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That's"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "heat.io/redacted."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "It's like, you know, when you're really"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "doing investigative journalism, I need"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "to know who is"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "loyal to Ted Cruz podcast. We got to"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "find that person and ask them, \"What the"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "hell is wrong with you?\" That's that's"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "the main crux of this. It's like it's so"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "offensive that anyone would listen to"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "his platform because I just find him so"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "distasteful. But who do you think like"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "again speculating who's sticking around"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "to this smarmy"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "I mean, look, your guess is as good as"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "mine. I don't think that either of us"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "knows uh where this audience is coming"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "from. Clearly, I mean, it's a dwindling"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "percentage of the Republican electorate"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "that is interested in this in any way. I"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "mean, that's a big part of why uh not"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "just his views on Israel, but his views"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "on lots of other things, too, are"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "becoming less popular. And and and"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "that's a big part of sort of why they're"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "trying to do campaigns like this is that"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "they're trying to uh make Israel more"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "popular among among Christians, perhaps"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "the types of Christians who will listen"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "to this podcast. I don't know if that's"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "actually going to happen. Again, I I I"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "have a bit of a hard time figuring out"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "who's listening to this, but again, I"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "mean, this is a guy who got reelected to"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "the Senate two years ago with with some"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "number of votes. So clearly, there's"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "there's people that that want to get his"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "take on things. I just I I I also have a"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "bit of trouble believing that it's it's"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "2 million downloads a month."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. And you know, we've seen the"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "US government has prosecuted Michael"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "Flynn for less of a tie to Russia and"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "you know, and yet so I would feel like"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "it would be dangerous if the United"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "States were not so in lock step with the"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "Israeli government. Like this is"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "something that in 1984 style if we flip"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "allegiances, you could be punished for"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "this. But um he seems free to do it. And"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "you did reach out for comment to ask him"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "and didn't hear anything back, right?"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": ">> No. Yeah, we didn't hear back. And and"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "you you raised a really important point"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "there about the fact that it is just"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "because the US and Israel have had such"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "a close relationship that they're able"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "to sort of continue things like that and"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "they don't get as much scrutiny. But as"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "we're seeing a big shift in this"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "relationship, I mean, I think there's a"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "reason that people paid attention to"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "this story in particular. people are"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "really tired of Israeli and pro-Israel"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "money flooding into our politics and"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "it's gone, you know, way way up in"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "recent years. the there's always been a"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "lobby in favor of Israel, but ever since"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "uh Citizens United opened the floodgates"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "of funding for elections from these"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "these big dollar donors, people like,"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "again, I mentioned Miriam Adlesen,"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "people like Jeff Yas, these people who"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "can donate, you know, tens or hundreds"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "of millions in each of these cycles,"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "you're seeing just extraordinary amounts"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "of money from people who say that it is"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "their primary goal with that money to"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "advance the USIsrael relationship. So,"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "so you know, they see that there's a"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "reduction in support and they're trying"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "very hard to keep a lead on that,"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> right? And it just pisses us off more."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "It just has the exact opposite effect."}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "So, thank you for joining us and uh"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "sharing this reporting. Great job."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:08", "text": ">> Of course. Thank you so much for having"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "me."}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:11", "text": ">> My pleasure."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": ">> Thank you so much for watching Redacted."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "We'd love for you to subscribe to the"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "channel. It's totally free if you want"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "to follow us or subscribe. And if we"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "brought you any value at all, please"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "consider sharing this video with a"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "friend or a loved one on social media."}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "Thanks so much and we'll see you next"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "time."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Welcome everyone to Redacted on this uh"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "community Wednesday. We love all your"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "feedback on these days where you get"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "your comments into our guests and we try"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "to do as much of that audience"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "interaction on this Wednesday as we can"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "because we are going to be diving into"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "the question, are we already in World"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "War II? So many of you in the comments"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "will say, uh, guys, we're already in"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "World War II. Well, the New York Times"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "yesterday posting an opinion piece"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "asking that very question, are we here?"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "And maybe it's a different type of"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "warfare. Massive sanctioned economic"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "warfare, cyber attacks. Maybe it does"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "not look like the traditional hot war."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> Oh, but it's definitely not good for us"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "like most wars. It's not for the"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "plebeians that are here watching this"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "show. Thank you so much for joining us."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "We're also going to talk about how"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "Israel is funneling money through Ted"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Cruz's podcast. Kind of offensive that"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "anyone would listen to a Ted Cruz"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "podcast. Do you think we have even one"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "overlapping viewer between Ted Cruz and"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "Redacted?"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Can we ask anyone in the audience"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "right now to the thousands of you"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "watching out there, have any of you ever"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "sat down to listen to a Ted Cruz"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "podcast?"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Are you subscribed? Well, our portals"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "will tell us if we have overlapping"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "views. Uh, but I would be shocked and"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "amazed. If so, what do you get there?"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "Anyhow,"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": ">> I I feel like I feel like if I was"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "listening to a Ted Cruz pro a Ted Cruz"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "podcast, it's because I've been captured"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "and somebody's committing a war crime"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "against me. That's just kind of my"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": ">> It's like what is it? Um what the movie?"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "Um Clockwork Orange where you're being"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "sat there with your eyes forced open to"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "watch the thing. That would be torture"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "in and of itself."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> Exactly. Right."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": ">> Um Joe Kent is going to join us here in"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "moments to talk about all of that. Plus"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "we're going to talk about right now"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "economic D-Day. 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[music] So"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "again, that's"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "wallet.rumble.com/redacted."}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "I did that without my glasses. Look at"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Well, way to go."}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:27", "text": ">> My eyes are improving. So, I showed up"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "without glasses cuz I've been doing my"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "red light therapy."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": ">> Mine are getting better, too. Actually,"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "I didn't wear them all morning, but"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "anyway, that that's not what we're here"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "to talk about. My eyes. No one cares"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "about that. But my sty is better. So"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "maybe"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> Thank you for that update."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": ">> Yeah, there's that sty update."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": ">> Oh, you can give a health update, but"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "Natalie, nobody cares about yours."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> So many people have been waiting with"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "baited breath on the sty. Um,"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> stywatch."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> Sty watch 2026."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> I made so much money on Kishi on that"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "eye sty. So I'm telling you what,"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> exactly."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> Is there anything on whether Natalie"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "will wear reading glasses?"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> Let's check it out. Well, we are"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "witnessing one of the most consequential"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "geopolitical shifts since the Cold War."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "countries running of course away from"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "the US dollar into the hands of the"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "BRICS nations over the past several"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "months. The conflict with Iran has"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "evolved from air strikes and proxy"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "battles into an economic battlefield"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "right now. So is that the future of this"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "war? Iran is leveraging the Strait of"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "Hormuz. We're getting conflicting"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "messages from the Trump administration"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "today on mines in the Straight of"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "Hormuz. They're open. Hey, ships are"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "free to go through there. By the way,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "who's going to be the first ship that"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "like raises its hands like, \"Yeah, let"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "me test that theory.\" All the mines are"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "removed. Let's go and see. Let's see if"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "we blow up on the way through there. Uh"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "the Trump administration appears to be"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "pivoting, of course, away from military"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "strikes, if you listen to reports from"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "Secretary of State Marco Rubio, to"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "sanctions and economic pressure for now."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "And then meanwhile, last night, the New"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "York Times published this piece asking"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "this question, and far be it for me to"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "ever ever feature a New York Times piece"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "on the show, but it does raise an"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "interesting question. Has World War III"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "already started? And for many of you"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "watching the show, very often in the"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "comments you'll say, \"Guys, World War II"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "has already started.\" Like that ship has"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "already sailed, but what does it exactly"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "look like? Where is all of this heading?"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "Joining us now is Joe Kent, former"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "director of the National"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "Counterterrorism Center and retired US"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "Army Green Beret. And Joe, of course,"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "has been at the center of the debate"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "over America's Iran policy and the"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "future of US involvement in the Middle"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "East, being really a clear-headed voice"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "in all of this. Joe, welcome back to the"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "show. Great to see you."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Great to be with you both. Thank you for"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "having me."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> Well, first on this New York Times"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "question. I mean, I know it's like a"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "30,000 foot level question, but what do"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "you make of this question? Are we"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "already in World War II? And if so,"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "maybe how is it different than the World"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "Wars that we're that we're accustomed to"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "watching on the History Channel?"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> I mean, I think it's pretty evident to"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "you both and probably most your viewers"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "because you're paying attention to this"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "that World War II has has definitely"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "began. It's in the early phases. I"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "believe that we could still kind of re"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "this back with the proper leadership. I"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "think there is still time to walk this"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "back before things are just, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "so far off the rails that we experienced"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "a catastrophic war. But I am kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "glad to see the New York Times at least"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "asking the question. I mean when when we"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "have a regional war like the war with"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "Iran that is involving you know most the"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "most the regional powers in the Middle"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "East it's involving us and then you have"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "the Russia Ukraine conflict where we"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "have been supporting the Ukrainians NATO"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "has been supporting the Ukrainians and"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "that war is continuing to escalate and"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "now we're seeing a blending of the two"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "fronts for quite some time. The Iranians"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "have been supporting the Russians with"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "drones and with some other uh military"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "assistance. And then recently we saw the"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "Ukrainians uh take a strike uh in the"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "Caspian Sea uh against an Iranian"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "vessel. And so I I fear that these two"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "fronts could become blended and as one"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "escalates the other one escalates as as"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "well. I fear that if we see some kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "escalation uh because of President"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "Trump's frustration with the uh status"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "of the Straits of Hormuz and our"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "inability to get a clear victory with"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "Iran that Israel uh escalates and uses"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "some form of a nuclear weapon which"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "would essentially then greenlight uh"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "Putin [clears throat] using a nuclear"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "weapon uh in Ukraine which would then be"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "right on the doorstep of of Europe and"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "then after that you know kind of all"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "bets are off. So I I think we're in a"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "very dicey situation right now. We just"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "had the CIA director fly over to to"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "Moscow. Who knows what they, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "precisely discussed, but I think it's"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "pretty obvious we are trying to get the"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "Russians not to escalate anything any"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "further. However, I don't know why the"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "Russians would take us seriously because"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "we've made no effort whatsoever to"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "restrain the Ukrainians. The Russians"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "know that we're kind of spread thin"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "right now. So, I mean, I I think we're"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "we're teetering on the verge of this"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "thing getting uh to the point where it"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "can't be put back in the box. So, I"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "think we've got a limited amount of"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "opportunity right now to stop this war"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "from from spiraling even further."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": ">> And yet, the war continues to have a low"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "record of support. And so, we"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "continuously see these stories from"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "mainstream media. Last week it was Iran"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "hacked a British power plant. Uh this"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "week it's China hacked the Federal"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "Reserve. We don't have any proof of"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "that. It's just escalating rhetoric that"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "these are our enemies and so I don't"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "know why they're still doing this"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "because it doesn't work. What do you"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "make of these continuously unsourced"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "stories of fear-mongering?"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> Well, I I think because the the American"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "people are weary of wars, which is"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "ironically a big reason why President"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "Trump won the election. you know, both"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "in all the all the times that President"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "Trump has won the presidency, he has run"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "heavily on, you know, uh, refuting"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "American foreign policy in particular in"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "the Middle East. So, the American people"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "are sick of these wars. That that that's"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "obvious. All the polling says that."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "However, the uniart in Washington DC,"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "they want this war. This is why you're"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "not seeing any Democrats really come out"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "in a meaningful way right now and attack"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "President Trump. They're using it as"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "some red meat here and there, and"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "they'll say some stuff in some hearings"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "every now and again to, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "Secretary of War, the Secretary of"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "State, but there's no real Democrat"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "opposition to this war. This is"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "Washington DC's consensus. They want"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "this war. Now, they know that if this"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "war continues to expand, the American"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "people are going to be hurt more"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "economically than they already have"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "been. Uh, the price of the pump, cost of"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "living, inflation, etc. But if this war"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "does accelerate and the two wars"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "combined, which if you listen to the the"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "neocons in Washington DC, uh, backed by"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "the the Israel lobby and all the"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "Atlanticists and, you know, big"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "supporters of NATO and the war in"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "Ukraine, they want these wars to merge"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "and they want to get the American people"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "on board. So, I think they are trying to"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "sell, hey, there's a a combination of"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "like the Russians who we all know are"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "secret commis and they're combining with"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "the Islamist um you know, Iranians and"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "this is an existential threat and look"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "at all these different things that are"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "happening and it's we're on the"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "precipice and so we need to take action"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "now. I mean, it's just the same old you"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "know, propaganda that we've heard in the"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "leadup to every single war. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "saying that all the stories are false."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "For us to think that we're going to be"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "conducting all the military actions that"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "we're conducting throughout the world"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "and some of it's not going to come back"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "here and and hit us in some way, shape,"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "or form, that would be extremely naive."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "But I think there is a narrative that is"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "being crafted right now um with people"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "on the left, people on the right, and"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "just the mainstream media in general"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "that is trying to get the American"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "people ready for some kind of a a a new"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "war. They've already been vilifying the"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "Russians and vilifying Putin now uh for"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "quite some time. And then we've we have"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "all of the the tired, you know, George"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "W. Bush talking points about the"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "terrorists and we've been calling the"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "Iranians terrorists now since this war"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "began. That combined with, you know, we"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "we have to stop them from having a"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "nuclear weapon. It's it's really just a"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "roll out all over again in the 2003"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "talking points. But like you said, I"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "mean, this this these propaganda"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "techniques, they they work or at least"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "they work enough to give some semblance"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "of a political consensus. But I think"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "the administration knows that it's not"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "going to work. Which is why the"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "administration took no effort whatsoever"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "to sell the Iran war. They just woke up"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "on February 28 and next thing you know"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "we're we're in this war and they didn't"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "make any effort whatsoever to sell it to"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "us."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> If I could just give you a little"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "opportunity to gloat because you"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "resigned just a few weeks later and you"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "know you were called to panic in you"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "didn't have any faith this is going to"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "be over soon and look at us now. We're"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "almost in September. So"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": ">> 6 months later,"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": ">> that played out pretty well for you. I'm"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "going to say history was on your side."}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "That's not a question. I just wanted to"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "say that. Go ahead, Clayton."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": ">> Well, I just"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> I don't I don't like being right,"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "though. I I wish I wish I would have"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "been wrong. I wish President Trump would"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "have been like, you know, Kent and"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "Tucker and redacted. They're a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "panic and he would have said the whole"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "thing was was great and I won, you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "the day after I resigned or whatever. Um"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "but here but here we are. So"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "unfortunately"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:45", "text": ">> there was an article I mean totally"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "somewhat related but the other day about"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "how Trump is now losing the manosphere"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "just like that headline popped up like"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "men like yourself like myself people who"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "maybe were supportive of President Trump"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "or at least the idea of no new wars in"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "the Middle East and we're going to focus"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "on the United States of America. these"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "men who like all of them feel duped."}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "Like the underlying message was they all"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "feel duped and call them panakans, call"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "them whatever you want, but now these"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "men are like just turning against the"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "president in a big big way. Um you I"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "think a lot of people feel duped. Again,"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "not really a question, but um just kind"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "of a statement of something I saw. I"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "want to ask you about the propaganda"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "piece because I think you were one of"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "the things you're kind of pointing out"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "there is this idea of a false flag like"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "we don't support this and this idea of"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "well we're going to need like another"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "9/11 style event. You know Mike Pompeo"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "is all over Fox News over the past few"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "days once again. Like you you know"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "you're seeing the BBC you're seeing the"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "UK uh silence independent media voices"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "and trying to elevate like the BBC and"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "and staterun media. You're seeing the"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "same thing in Canada. It's only a matter"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "of time, I think, before the same thing"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "happens here in the United States. More"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "suppression of independent voices so you"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "can rally the sort of fake support"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "around this idea of a war against Russia"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "and Iran. I mean, I I I"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "don't want to say that, you know, that"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "this is going to happen. I'm just I want"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "to sort of warn people that these things"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "are seem to be coming. Is that kind of"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "what you're alluding to that there needs"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "to be some sort of rallying false flag"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "and they're hoping to kind of rally us"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "together against this?"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "I think that's a possibility and I I"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "think the the one rule of thumb that we"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "should all stick to at this point is"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "just question everything. Um because"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "like Charlie Kirk said, question"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "everything because it's the only thing"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "that keeps us free. Um we have no"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "obligation whatsoever at this point to"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "trust our government. I think a big"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "reason, you know, I think this is"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "combined with the whole, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "question of why men are, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "starting to say, \"Hey, I feel betrayed"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "by by the Trump administration.\" One of"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "Trump's big appeals was that he was the"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "guy who questioned everything. Uh and so"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "a lot of what you know I think this"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "generation of young male voters who"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "helped President Trump uh come into"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "power and young people in general was"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "that hey we we do question everything."}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "And so I think these two things are are"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "very related. President Trump is losing"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "a lot of support with you know his core"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "base and a lot of really young men who"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "came up questioning COVID, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "questioning the the BLM riots,"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "questioning January 6, questioning, you"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "know, mail-in ballots in the election."}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "But now we're just told that like, you"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "know, Iran was 5 minutes away from"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "getting a nuclear weapon and we need to"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "be allin with this war. We should be"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "very very wary of any potential false"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "flags. But we what I think is more"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "dangerous is that we are playing with"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "fire right now on two very very hostile"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "uh fronts. We basically refuse to leave"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "this Iran war. President Trump knows he"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "can't, you know, extract a military"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "victory out of Iran. He knows the"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "diplomacy track is basically dead"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "because when we had an opportunity to"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "offramp with theou within less than a"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "week we basically blew up theou and and"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "President Trump is not leaving he's not"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "withdrawing our forces from the region"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "he's leaving them over there within"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "striking distance of the Iranians. Both"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "the Iranians and the Houthis have proven"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "they can hit our boats that are out"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "there uh in the ocean. The Houthis just"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "conducted a strike that was you know"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "several several hundred kilometers you"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "know away from uh where they they"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "launched the missile. So they on on a"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "boat. So they actually have the ability"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "to conduct these type types of strikes."}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "And so I think for us to say that we're"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "going to throw economic D-Day at Iran"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "and we're basically going to starve"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "their people and make them endure all"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "kind of economic hardship while we leave"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "our troops within range, it's basically"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "asking for the Iranians just to strike"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "us to give us a justification to go"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "right back into the war. If that wasn't"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "the case, then what President Trump"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "would do is he would pull out our troops"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "and he'd pull he'd pull our uh naval"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "blockade away so the Iranians couldn't"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "actually hit it. And then he would say,"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "\"Okay, now I'm going to sanction you"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "guys and there's nothing really that you"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "could do about it. If you if you want"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "relief from the sanctions, then now we"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "can talk shop and you can open the"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "straits of Cormuz.\" But he's not doing"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "that. He's leaving our forces there"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "where they can still be hit. So we're"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "poking the Iranians and saying like, you"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "know, just take it on the chin. And the"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "Iranians are even coming out and saying,"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "\"We're not just going to take this. we"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "we're going to strike back. So, we're"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "setting ourselves up to be dragged right"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "back into this. And to me, because we"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "should know what's going to happen, it"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "seems very very deliberate. And to a"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "lesser extent, uh the same thing is"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "taking place with uh on the Russia"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "Ukraine front. I mean, for for a very"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "long time now, we've been obviously uh"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "funding and supplying Ukraine with"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "intelligence and weaponry, and that they"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "are now striking Russian civilian"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "infrastructure and they're striking"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "energy. But then we're going to go to"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "the Russians and say like, \"Hey, you"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "guys can't hit back.\" So we are"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "basically doing everything to stoke the"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "fire and it could kick off in a way that"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "we haven't predicted and the next thing"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "you know we are in this and then we are"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "going to need the American people to"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "rally behind because we're going to"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "pretend like you know the audacious and"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "and evil enemy has struck us in a way"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "that was just you know not not"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "predictable because we are fighting like"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "gentlemen and they're they're now"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "fighting like you know dirty terrorists"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "or you know crazy Russians or crazy"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "communists or whatever. Um, so yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "think these are incredibly dangerous"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "times and and the amount of propaganda"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "that's being applied onto the American"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "people right now, uh, makes that very"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "evident."}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": ">> I mean, it's Yeah, we're gonna need like"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "a red dawn moment from the 1980s, like"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "this is the enemy. We're being invaded"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "by Russia to rally us around. I'm glad"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "you brought up Russia Ukraine because"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "what with this economic D-Day against"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "Iran, I mean, Russia's not just going to"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "sit back. I don't think China's going to"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "sit back either. Um, what do you what do"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "you think would will be the response? um"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "from Russia, China, if this is really"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "strangling Iran to the point of of, you"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "know, nearing death, I guess, is what"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "the administration would love to see"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": ">> You know, it's interesting because we've"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "just overplayed sanctions so much over"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "the last several decades that by the"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "time we go and say that like we're going"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "to throw economic D-Day at a country, I"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "mean, Iran's been under sanctions now"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "since their in since the Islamic"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "Republic's inception. So, for 47 years,"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "these guys have been under sanctions. So"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "I I'm not sure how scared they get when"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "any American official comes out and like"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "we're gonna sanction you. It's the"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "secondary sanctions that could sting,"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "but you know like like I mean Scott Bon"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "himself said during the press conference"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "when he was asked like why aren't you"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "applying the secondary sanctions now?"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "And he said like what makes you think"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "I'd want to tank the entire world"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "economy? Something to that effect. So if"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "we're really going to go through with"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "the secondary sanctions, we're going to"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "hurt ourselves like way more than we're"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "going to hurt the Iranians. That's why I"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "kind of think I'm glad that we're not"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "escalating anymore militarily. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "two weeks ago, you know, President Trump"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "was talking about going back to the"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "battlefield in a very big way and using"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "all that really bombastic rhetoric. So,"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "I'm glad we've backed off from that. But"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "again, this is where I like cynically"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "I'm just like I don't know how serious"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "these sanctions are. Now, Russia and"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "China and and basically most other"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "countries in the world because of the"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "Ukraine the Russia Ukraine war, they"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "have started coming up with alternative"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "workarounds from the dollar. And again,"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "this is a place where we we threw the"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "kitchen sink of sanctions at Russia"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "right after the Russia right right after"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "Russia invaded Ukraine. We threw them"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "off swift and that was supposed to be"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "like some, you know, death blow to the"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "Russians, but they they endured and"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "Right. It made Exactly. It's laughable."}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "That made China China stronger. This war"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "with Iran made China stronger. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "we actually had to pull our naval assets"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "out of the Pacific, which is absolute"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "insanity considering the Pacific"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "actually is our border and not the"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "Middle East, to go reinforce what's"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "taking place here. The petro dollar is"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "being eroded. So, we just continue to"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "shoot ourselves in the foot and China's"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "going to sit back and laugh. So, I think"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "if we actually go through of any of the"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "secondary sanctions, I I think China is"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "just going to sit back and they're going"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "to go to the rest of the world and say,"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "\"Hey, we're we are the stability. We're"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "the stable power. You want to do"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "business with us. Move away from doing"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "business with the Iranians if it even"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "gets that far.\" I think the Iranians"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "right now are are going to have to"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "either strike us back or put a lot of"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "effort into keeping the Straits of"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "Hormuz restricted to hurt us"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "economically, which in turn is probably"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "going to make us strike them back when"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "Trump gets frustrated that the economic"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "D-Day isn't working. But this is what I"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "think should break your loyalty to"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "partisan politics if you're paying"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "attention at all. This idea that we have"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "a new idea. Sanctions on Iran. Okay."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "Obama did this to great effect for the"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "whole of his presidency. And in fact, he"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "tried to ramp up sanctions time and time"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "again. So if you're not paying"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "attention, they do the same This"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "is not new. This is not new information."}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "So, how they could launch this as if"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "like this is it. This is what's going"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "to, you know, you have to laugh because"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "you know better otherwise you're their"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "pawns. I just can't understand how they"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "could do this with a straight face."}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "We've been there. We did this. Go ahead."}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:15", "text": ">> Well, no, I was going to say Bessant"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "really didn't do it with a straight"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "face. I mean, if you if you watched his"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "press conference, he was like out of"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "breath. It was almost like as if he"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "didn't believe it. You had his old like"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "co-host or cohort Stanley Drunken Miller"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "writing a piece in the Wall Street"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "Journal basically saying, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "US dollar is is is collapsing. Um, you"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "better stop this debt spiral that you're"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "causing in the United States. So, you"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "have like his old friend publishing this"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "Wall Street Journal piece kind of and"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "he's out there. It almost sounded like"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "he didn't believe it. I mean, I, you"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "know, like he was just kind of carrying"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "in the water for the administration."}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "That's kind of what it sound like to me,"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "Joe."}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:52", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, he's a very knowledgeable"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "person on finance and markets. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "look at his background. So, he he's he's"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "no lightweight. So, I Yeah, I think that"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "probably explains his demeanor during"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "that press conference. I think it's hard"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "when you're deeply knowledgeable on a"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "subject to get out there and sell"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "something that you just know isn't going"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "to work. I mean, just like the economic"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "D-Day. I mean, you know, in theory, like"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "if you're going to sanction somebody"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "there for in order for them to do what"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "you want, you have to have there has to"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "be some way for you to walk that back."}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "And otherwise, they're not going to"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "change their behavior. It's hard for us"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "to go from we're going to kill all your"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "leadership, including your supreme"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "leader to now we're going to sanction"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "you. I mean, what are they going to say?"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "Like, okay, or you're going to do what?"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "Kill our leaders? Like, we're kind of"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "back to square one. So, I I think unless"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "you have a lot of skill at uh at acting,"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "it's it's hard to sell a lot of these"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "policies that just fundamentally are are"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "not serious and just kind of meant to"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "manipulate the markets and the American"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "people."}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:43", "text": ">> I just want to ask you before we let you"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "go about the idea, you know, of"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "counterterrorism. Of course, that was uh"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "your your previous job. And there have"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "been some things that haven't really"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "been reported over the past couple of"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "weeks in the United States. They've kind"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "of been buried, but major air traffic"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "control outages um you know, in major"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "airports, I think through Minnesota and"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "other places that haven't gotten any"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "reporting, um where they had to divert"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "traffic over the United States. And"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "we're not just talking like one tower"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "went down, like multiple independent"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "towers down, fiber lines separating"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "separated from each other down. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "so I guess and I think about the grid in"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "the United States and I think about our"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "sort of fragile cyber network and then"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "Natalie's question earlier about the"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "idea of the Fed being hacked by China."}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "like is this the kind of new warfare"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "that we're we're going to have to get"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "used to in the United States and how can"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "we trust like where it's coming from? Is"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "it coming from our own deep state or is"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "it legitimately coming from China or"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "Russia or some other place?"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:46", "text": ">> Well, with a lot of these I I think we"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "we kind of don't know and that's where"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "it's a dangerous environment. And this"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "this um a big problem with spending all"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "of our money and resources on yet"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "another war in the Middle East is that"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "our infrastructure, whether we're"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "talking about just the quality of the"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "roads you drive on or like our actual"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "cyber infrastructure and our power grid"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "that keeps us alive and fed, all of that"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "takes a backseat to the wars that that"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "are going on in the in the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "I mean, just look at how much our"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "quality of life has deteriorated in"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "America since, you know, 911. People"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "make memes all the time, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "world that you knew is is no longer here"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "because life, you know, was better in"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "many ways uh pre 911. And that's not,"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "you know, because Osama bin Laden"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "attacked us. That's because of the wars"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "that we launched as a a result of 9/11."}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "You know, the crackdown on our civil"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "liberties, but like right now, this is a"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "great I mean, President Trump ran on a"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "broad a broad set of domestic policies"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "that resonated with a lot of American"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "people, like lowering the cost of"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "living, a secure border, you know,"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "cleaning up the crime. these types of"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "things. And he hasn't been able to"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "prioritize any of those agenda items"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "because all of the effort is going into"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "the war in Iran. And every now and"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "again, you know, they they they did they"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "they sealed the border. There's no more"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "massive invasion like there was under"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "the Biden administration and that's"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "great, but it's kind of doing the"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "minimum. But everything else, whether"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "it's, you know, getting the illegals out"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "of our country who are actually"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "dangerous, like that simply has not"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "happened in a meaningful way yet. uh the"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "fact that inflation is still out of"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "control, the price of the pump, all of"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "our efforts are going into this war that"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "most American people have no idea what"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "you know why we're fighting it and they"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "don't support it. And it's the same"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "thing with our infrastructure. I think"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "we do have real threats here. There are"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "real terrorist organizations that do"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "want to harm us here in America. Um but"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "instead of addressing those in a very"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "surgical, methodical, and focused way,"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "we're picking a new fight and we're"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "going to create a new set of blowback"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "terrorism that that's going to affect us"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "here in America. Um most of the uh"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "terrorist acts that we had by um by"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "individuals over the last year or so,"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "they have stated in some way, shape or"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "form that they were inspired by what"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "took place in Gaza and the images coming"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "out of Gaza. I fear, and I hope that I'm"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "wrong, but I I fear we're going to see a"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "similar wave here in America, people"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "saying that they were inspired by, you"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "know, what we've done uh in the war in"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "Iran. And so the big question is, is any"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "of this worth it? Is it worth us"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "prioritizing the war in Iran and taking"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "our eye off fixing our grid, securing"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "our grid, uh, and just really at the end"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "of the day, taking care of our own"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "people? And I think if you went and ask"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "most Americans, they would say no,"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "absolutely not. They want our priorities"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "here addressed and not yet another"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "foreign war in the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": ">> Well, right% the Pulse nightclub"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "shooting was a response to foreign"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "bombing abroad. It was not a homophobic"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "act, and yet that was hidden from us."}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "Uh, so I want to ask you a little bit"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "about Syria. I know Clayton said he was"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "asking the last question, but I'm going"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "to uh because now sanctions have been"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "left on lifted on Syria because we've"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "got an al-Qaeda terrorist at the lead at"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "the presidency who is our puppet now. So"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "I mean I guess that would be a formula"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "that Iran could follow. If you just put"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "an American puppet in the seat, then"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "sanctions are lifted. Um, how does that"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "strike you? because that seems extremely"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "hypocritical on our part. But say Levi,"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": ">> yeah, I mean we are where we are. Like I"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "I was really really um apprehensive"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "about us engaging with Alshara Galani"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "and we should still keep an eye on him."}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "Um but we are where we are now and so"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "far all we can do is look at the actions"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "that he's he's taken and in general he's"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "kind of doing the right stuff. He's he's"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "caught in a in a tough spot because he's"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "got the Israelis on one side and the"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "Turks on the other and they're at each"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "other's throats. he's sitting on"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "basically um a a he's sitting on top of"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "a bunch of different al-Qaeda and former"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "ISIS people who brought him to power who"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "want him to be much more extreme. Um so"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "right now he might not be the best guy."}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "We may not like him but whoever comes"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "after him and this should be a lesson"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "you know for the people who are saying"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "you know we could do better etc. If he"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "does get you know killed or removed in"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "some way shape or form then Syria is"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "going to go into a chaotic situation. So"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "I think at this point considering the"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "steps that he's actually taking to"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "integrate the Kurdish forces etc."}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "um we're in a decent spot with him. Now,"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "if you if you take the logic that we've"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "used with with Shara and you apply it to"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "the Iranians, there's no reason why we"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "shouldn't be inviting the leadership of"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "the Iranians to to meet us somewhere"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "neutral and then eventually invite them"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "to Washington DC to sign a peace"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "agreement. There's no reason why we"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "shouldn't be aggressively pursuing"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "peace. I mean, Ahmed Alara, he killed"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "Americans in in Iraq, or at least fought"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "against us in Iraq. It was in one of our"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "prisons inside of Iraq. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "Iranians, sure, they supported uh a lot"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "of the terrorists that were there, a lot"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "of the insurgents that were there in"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "Iraq as well. But if we can basically"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "say, \"Hey, we're realists. We're going"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "to accept the world as it is, and we can"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "make peace with Shara's past. Uh there"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "is no reason why we can't make make"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "peace with the Iranians past.\" If you"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "just look at the way the Iranians have"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "conducted themselves throughout this"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "entire war, they have been very"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "deliberate. They have been very"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "pragmatic. They have been very measured."}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "Uh and so I I think that they have shown"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "us over the last year or so, last two"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "years basically, that they're rational"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "actors and we can make a deal with them."}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "So I I say, \"Hey, look, if we're going"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "to go down this this this road with"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "Ahmed Alshara and we can we can kind of"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "accept that bitter pill, there's no"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "reason why we can't aggressively pursue"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "peace with the Iranian regime right now"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "in an effort to deescalate this"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "situation so that we don't get sucked"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "into a a 20-year"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:13", "text": ">> quagmire.\""}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "Yeah. Remarkable. And and to have that"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "country not have sanctions where maybe"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "maybe it could pick itself back up"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "again. was one of the most peaceful"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "countries in the world a number of years"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "ago. Yeah. None of"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": ">> them. So that's incredibly big of you to"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "be able to see Syria in this way given"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "that your personal losses in Syria. You"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "lost your wife in that war on terror and"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "now we've turned around and changed our"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "um policy. And so I just want to commend"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "you on being able to see that rationally"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "and what's best for for everybody"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "because I might have a hard time with"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "that take. So thank you for sharing. I I"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "appreciate that. Last uh two trips I"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "took as the National Counterterrorism"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "Center director were were into Syria to"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "help get some of the ISIS prisoners, the"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "hardened ISIS prisoners transferred out"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "to the Iraqi government and then work on"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "the uh the Syrian Defense Force, the"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "Kurdish integration. Um and just seeing"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "all that's country that that that"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "country has been through and to see that"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "there are people there in that region"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "that are actually trying to work"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "diligently towards getting a piece. I"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "actually think it's very very uh"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "inspirational and I I think there's a"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "lot that we can learn from how the"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "Syrian people and the Iraqi people uh"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "and the people of that region are trying"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "to put themselves back together and they"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "truly want peace too. I I think that"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "there's a lot that we can learn there"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "and we'd be much better off if we were"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "following some of some of their examples"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "in this conflict with Iran because no"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "one none of the people at the end of the"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "day actually benefit from more war in"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "the region."}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": ">> As Mr. Prinsel says here, Joe Kent is a"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "real American patriot. Joe Kent, thank"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "you so much for joining us today as"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "always. We really appreciate it. Thank"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "you for your analysis."}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": ">> Thank you both very much. Appreciate it."}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": ">> Thanks, Joe. All right, coming up, we're"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "going to talk about economic D-Day and"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "we going to go a little bit more deeply"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "into that. What does that look like in"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "terms of sanctions? How will it"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "reverberate around the world? Will it"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "drive us away from the American dollar?"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "By the way, is that the intentional move"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "here to weaken the US dollar and push"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "us? Because that President Trump has"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "said he wants a weak US dollar. He said,"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "'I know it's not attractive, but a weak"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "US dollar can help bring manufacturing"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "back to the United States. And you know,"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "might not sound sexy. So, is this the"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "whole plan? We're going to talk about it"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "a little bit later."}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:25", "text": ">> And then what does that look like for us"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "living in a war economy? That's just the"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "government's like, you can't have that"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "war time. Uh-oh. Economic priorities,"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "war time, right? This is not"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:36", "text": ">> this is not what we anticipated. Well,"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "like a permanent war, like you know,"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "just like for the past 30 years, just"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "war in Afghanistan, Iraq, just you're"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "just in a permanent war. So, you got to"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "deal with it. You got to pay twice for"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "your ground beef prices."}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:48", "text": ">> All right. And also, we're going to talk"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "about the Ted Cruz podcast. I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "you're up on it, right? You're watching"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "the Ted Cruz religiously. Uh, no, you're"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "not. Well, you probably are not. And in"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "which case, you would not know that it's"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "a way for Israel to funnel money to Ted"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "Cruz uh in violation of uh the rules in"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "which our leaders are not supposed to"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "accept foreign money. So, we're going to"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "talk about that in a second."}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:11", "text": ">> They really care about rules. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "you know, [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:14", "text": ">> yes,"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:17", "text": ">> Nancy Pelosi just bought like millions"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "of dollars and like calls for Nvidia and"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "God knows what else."}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:21", "text": ">> Rules for us, not for them."}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:24", "text": ">> All right. Uh, but first I want to tell"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "you about our friends at Century H2O."}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "You know what's wild? We spend extra"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "money on organic food, clean beauty"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "products. We have air purifiers in our"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "house. But when it comes to the water"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "we're drinking, [music] cooking with,"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "and even showering with every day, most"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "of us just assume it's fine. The truth"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "is, what's actually in your water might"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "surprise you. Across the country,"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "testing has found contaminants like"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "PFAs, which are forever chemicals,"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "chlorine, fluoride, arsenic, heavy"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "[music] metals, other unwanted"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "substances in drinking water supplies."}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "Um, and that's why we want to tell you"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "about Century H2O. We just installed"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "this in our house about 6 days ago. And"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "I'm going to tell you, [music] we spent"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "a lot of money years ago on getting a"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "reverse osmosis system only to learn"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "that it's basically killing our water,"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "removing all of the important minerals"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "like magnesium and everything from our"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "water. And so once I took that out and"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "installed the Century H2O, I'm telling"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "you, it's been an [music] absolute"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "gamecher. Um, and I feel like a dupe. 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Well,"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "Responsible Statecraft found that the"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "money is funneled through iHeart Media"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "directly to Cruz's super PAC. The ads"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "are mostly around the I am Israel"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "campaign. It's a campaign that's meant"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "to encourage Christians to visit the"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "Holy Land. Of course, politicians are"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "not supposed to take money from foreign"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "governments, but according to"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "responsible statecraft, there is a"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "loophole in this deal. Uh because Cruz"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "is not directly or indirectly getting"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "the money from a foreign national, but"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "he's hosting the podcast who sponsors"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "the podcast. So, he can't take it"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "directly, but through his super PAC. And"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "then here is his podcast. Now, you'll"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "notice here, this is his YouTube"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "version. 1.7,000 is not a what I would"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "call a lot of subscribers or oh videos."}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "Yeah. Um but four so 400,000 subscribers"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "is not a ton for such a high-profile"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "person, but he does get like he just"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "launched a whole series on justice"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "Clarence Thomas. So clearly he's trying"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "to promote, you know, he's"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "Why would you want his to I'm just, you"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "can tell I'm struggling because he is"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "such adult. But anyway, some people do"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "seem to I don't know. Like here's the"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "question. Is it a shell game that they"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "don't even care if people listen because"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "this is the, you know, the storefront,"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "the cover? I don't know. So we're going"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "to talk to the uh author of this report."}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "Connor Eckles is the managing editor at"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "Responsible Statecraft and he broke the"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "story. Thank you so much for joining me."}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": ">> Thank you for having me on."}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:51", "text": ">> All right, so what do you make of this?"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "Do you think he actually cares about the"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "podcast or do you think this is like a"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "purposeful ruse? Because I mean do you"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:00", "text": "think he really thinks people want to"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "listen to him in a podcast? You can you"}, {"start": "00:36:00", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "can tell what I'm asking what I'm"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "implying cuz he's"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:07", "text": ">> right. Well, I mean, it's an interesting"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "it's an interesting story because,"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "believe it or not, people do listen to"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "this podcast as far as we can tell. So,"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "you saw, of course, that there's half a"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "million subscribers on YouTube. The"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "numbers that we've seen from Politico uh"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "in one report about the podcast from"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "2025 said that there were as many as 2"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "million monthly downloads. And that is"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "in no small part because it's been"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "syndicated under this very unusual deal"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "with iHeart Media which allows them to"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "take money from a company which would"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "usually be illegal but allows that to"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "happen because the money goes straight"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "to the truth and courage pack the super"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "PAC that acts only in the interests of"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "Ted Cruz but is not formally directed by"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "Ted Cruz. So it's this very interesting"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "arrangement. And I'm not sure if there's"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "anything else like it. But now one of"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "their big uh sponsors, as of course the"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "report showed over the past few weeks at"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "the very least, is is the literal"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "government of Israel encouraging people"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "to to come to Israel and to sort of"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "revive tourism there. So it's it's a"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "sort of remarkable story. I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "guess it as journalists, you always have"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "the sponsors of your platform, but you"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "are supposed to act independently of"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "this, but Ted Cruz never acts"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "independently of the Israeli government."}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "There's no daylight between what they"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "want and what he puts out. He said so"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "that his number one goal as an American"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "politician is to support Israel. So, you"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "know, there's no there's no daylight"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "here when you look at what he does, what"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "he says, what he promotes, right?"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:43", "text": ">> No, certainly not. There is a very"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "strong, you know, as you referenced,"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "Cruz is one of the most pro-Israel"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "people in Congress. He has taken"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "significant money from the pro-Israel"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "lobby. People like Miriam Aden, the wife"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "of late casino magnate and pro-Israel"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "donor uh Sheldon Adlesen. So, so he's"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "extremely tied into pro-Israel causes."}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "He even said on Tucker Carlson's show"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "last year that he, you know, Apac raises"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "a lot of money for me basically, right?"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "So, so he's very much in lock step with"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "this and this is just another way for"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "Israel to sort of get more support"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "towards him. Uh, but it's it is again"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "completely legal. That was sort of the"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "shocking part when I went through the"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "reporting of this cuz I even talked to"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "some of the people that uh or got"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "comment from some of the people who"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "brought the initial complaint against"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "Cruz at the Federal Election Commission"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "for this weird podcast arrangement deal."}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "And they thought that it was illegal,"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "but the FC said, \"You know what? In the"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "era of super PACs after Citizens United,"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "you just are allowed to have these sort"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "of arrangements that get around the meat"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "of campaign finance laws.\""}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:47", "text": ">> I mean, he complete ignorance, but not"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "anymore. like, oh, I don't know who, you"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "know, this is a third party selling ads"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "on the platform, but it's also a little"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "bit distasteful that there should be ads"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "on a politician's"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "media channel, but I guess that's"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "allowed too, right?"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:03", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. Well, so under this"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "arrangement, as long as they set it up"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "in this way, it is allowed. Uh, what's"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "interesting though is again, even if he"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "somehow didn't know about this, the"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "person doing the ad read was Ben"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "Ferguson, who is his co-host, right?"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "This was not some random person. There's"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "plenty of chance that he was in the"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "studio. So that this is he knows about"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:26", "text": ">> Okay. And so I went and I looked at one"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:29", "text": "of their videos for I am Israel and it's"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "very much you know it's beautiful here."}, {"start": "00:39:29", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "I'm free here. You know this is an"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "oppressed land but we rise kind of"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "things. Um if you look there were 11"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "comments all of them positive. So, I'm"}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "fairly certain that they are deleting"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "comments because this is the kind of"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "thing that you see on X all the time"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "that just gets hammered of like, oh,"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "genocide tourism. There's not a single"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "comment like this. So, it is highly"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "curated, right?"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:58", "text": ">> Yeah, it certainly seems to be. And and"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "and the broader pitch here is very"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "clear. They've had events around this at"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "the launch event in June for the I am"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "Israel campaign. They had the Israeli"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "ambassador to the US who made the point"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "that you know Israel has gone out and"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "fought these wars for the past few"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "years. It has gotten a lot of negative"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "press but it's defeated its enemies and"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "now it is the responsibility of this"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "campaign to bring the people back to"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "Israel. Uh the difference we we got the"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "numbers and and the monthly Americans"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "going to Israel in 2019 was something"}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "like 100,000 and today that's down to"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "like 20,000. And so this is a really big"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "difference and it's a really important"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "way for Israel to sort of do soft power"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "influence in the US, especially among"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "Christians."}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:42", "text": ">> Right. It's just not thought of as like"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "a, you know, destination Hawaii right"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:45", "text": ">> No, no, I wouldn't say so."}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:48", "text": ">> Connor, can I jump in and ask a question"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "here? I'm sorry to interrupt this a"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "flow, but I just can't help. I'm just on"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "their YouTube channel, The Verdict with"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:56", "text": "Ted Cruz, and [cough]"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "[clears throat] have you guys dug into"}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "these numbers? It sounds like you have"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "in in part, but I'm just curious because"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "with 460,000"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "subscribers and 1.7,000"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "videos, you would think that the view"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "count on most of these videos would be"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "way higher, significantly higher. And"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:21", "text": "almost all of them have like under a,000"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "views per video. Um, you know, you're"}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "864 views. One-on-one with Clarence"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "Thomas, part two. 1,7 view 7 700 views."}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "This one is probably the biggest one"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "with 260 1,000 views, but almost all of"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "them are like almost no views. 900"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "views, 4,000 views. Like, do you get the"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "sense? Because you can buy, you know,"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "you can buy subscribers. People do that."}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "Um, you people use like bot farms and"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "other places. It just seems very fishy"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "to me. I'm not accusing anybody. I'm"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "just saying it just seems very fishy."}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "These numbers seem completely out of"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "alignment to me."}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:02", "text": ">> Yeah, my best guess on that I mean again"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "this is a guess. Uh we're sort of in in"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "speculation land here, but I think that"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "it was more popular initially and that"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "it became less popular over time because"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "so he first it was 2020 that he launches"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "the podcast and the idea is that it's"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "going to it was going to be where he"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "would defend uh Donald Trump during the"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "first impeachment that year. So he would"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "sort of use it as a political tool"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "there. It ended up taking off and"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "getting a lot of attention in those"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "first couple years. That leads to this"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "iHeart Media deal in 2022. And from"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "there, I think things started to sort of"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "flag a little bit. And if you look too"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "at the individual contributions. So you"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "can actually see each of the payments"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "that iHeart Media has given at least up"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "to the end of June of this year to the"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "podcast. And you can see these sort of"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "seem to go down a little bit uh after"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "spiking around 2024. So it seems as if"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "maybe there are fewer people listening"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "on the main feed, too."}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:58", "text": ">> It's like, you know, when you're really"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "doing investigative journalism, I need"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "to know who is"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "loyal to Ted Cruz podcast. We got to"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "find that person and ask them what the"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "hell is wrong with you. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "That's that's the main crux of this."}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:15", "text": "It's like it's so offensive that anyone"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "would listen to his platform because I"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "just find him so distasteful. But who do"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "you think like again speculating who's"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "sticking around to this smarmy"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:28", "text": ">> I mean look your guess is as good as"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "mine. I don't think that either of us"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "knows uh where this audience is coming"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "from. Clearly I mean it's a dwindling"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "percentage of the Republican electorate"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "that is interested in this in any way. I"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "mean, that's a big part of why uh not"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "just his views on Israel, but his views"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "on lots of other things, too, are"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "becoming less popular. And and and"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "that's a big part of sort of why they're"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "trying to do campaigns like this is that"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "they're trying to uh make Israel more"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "popular among among Christians, perhaps"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "the types of Christians who will listen"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "to this podcast. I don't know if that's"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "actually going to happen. Again, I I I"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "have a bit of a hard time figuring out"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "who's listening to this. But again, I"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "mean, this is a guy who got reelected to"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "the Senate two years ago with with some"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "number of votes. So, clearly there's"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "there's people that that want to get his"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "take on things. I just I I I also have a"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "bit of trouble believing that it's it's"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "2 million downloads a month."}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:21", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. And you know, we've seen the"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "US government had prosecuted Michael"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "Flynn for less of a tie to Russia and"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "you know, and yet so I would feel like"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "it would be dangerous if the United"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "States were not so in lock step with the"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "Israeli government. Like this is"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "something that in 1984 style if we flip"}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "allegiances, you could be punished for"}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "this. But um he seems free to do it. And"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "you did reach out for comment to ask him"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "and didn't hear anything back, right?"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:49", "text": ">> No. Oh yeah, we didn't hear back. And"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "and you you raised a really important"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "point there about the fact that it is"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "just because the US and Israel have had"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "such a close relationship that they're"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "able to sort of continue things like"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "that and they don't get as much"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "scrutiny. But as we're seeing a big"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "shift in this relationship, I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "think there's a reason that people paid"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "attention to this story in particular."}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "People are really tired of Israeli and"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "pro-Israel money flooding into our"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "politics. And it's gone, you know, way"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "way up in recent years. that there's"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "always been a lobby in favor of Israel,"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "but ever since uh Citizens United opened"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "the floodgates of funding for elections"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "from these these big dollar donors,"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "people like, again, I mentioned Miriam"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "Medson, people like Jeff Yas, these"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "people who can donate, you know, tens or"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "hundreds of millions in each of these"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "cycles, you're seeing just extraordinary"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:38", "text": "amounts of money from people who say"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "that it is their primary goal with that"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "money to advance the USIsrael"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "relationship. So, so you know, they see"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "that there's a reduction in support and"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "they're trying very hard to keep a lead"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "on that,"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:53", "text": ">> right? And it just pisses us off more."}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "It just has the exact opposite effect."}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "So, thank you for joining us and uh"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "sharing this reporting. Great job."}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:45:59", "text": ">> Of course. Thank you so much for having"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "me."}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:01", "text": ">> My pleasure."}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:03", "text": ">> Thanks, Connor. He was great."}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:04", "text": ">> Yeah. All right. I can see that you're"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "really upset about attending this"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "YouTube channel."}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:08", "text": ">> Well, no. I mean, hey, fine. If if"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "someone launches a channel and it's"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "organic and their growth is organic, um,"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "good for them, you know, but I think a"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "lot of these brands and you certainly"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "saw that with like this weird like daily"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "like how did the uh the free press"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "remember? I mean, they're selling for"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "millions of dollars, right? And there's"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "like no views like and then the ones"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "that they are getting seem like they're"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:30", "text": "fake views anyway."}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:32", "text": ">> I don't know there, you know, these"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:33", "text": ">> cuz it's like artificial. I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "don't know exactly how it works, but"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "this like artificial, you know, to in"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "order to prop up their brand, then they"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "try to sell their company or they try to"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "I don't know. Anyway,"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:44", "text": ">> yeah, maybe bots are listening"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "podcasting to bots."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:47", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, and you want to destroy"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "your channel like"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:52", "text": ">> Like you won't get any organic reach at"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "all. Like you want to but YouTube is"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "very sophisticated in like putting a"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "putting a cap on all that stuff. So I"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:00", "text": ">> Yeah. And even I am interested in"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "Justice Clar Clarence Thomas, but"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "there's no world in which I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "watch him talk to Ted Cruz."}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:07", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:10", "text": ">> And so, you know, I read his book. I"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "find him a compelling figure. Uh, but"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "no, I don't care what he says to Ted"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "Cruz at all."}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:17", "text": ">> Let's take um let's take some chats"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "here. You want to take some chats?"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:23", "text": ">> Sure. Uh, from Humongous Shift, we have"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "a representation for hire system."}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "Nothing new. That's right. It's a"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "payforplay. Absolutely. Um, from Lion"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "and the Lamb, Clayton was great on Fox"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "back in the day. This show is even"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "better. Love the conversations always."}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "That's nice of you to say. Thank you."}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:39", "text": ">> Oh, thank you. Back in [sighs] my back"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "in my Fox News days."}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:41", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:42", "text": ">> back in the mornings."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:44", "text": ">> Yeah. How many of you used to watch uh"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "Fox and Friends? So, I did that for"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "about 10 years in the mornings and um"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "it's crazy. It's crazy world to think"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "of."}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:51", "text": ">> Nights of the Storm. Rule of thumb for"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "me is when I see an influencer with half"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "a million followers and the count is"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "like two months old, they are"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "controlled. Yeah, we're learning this"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "with the data republican story, you"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "just, you know what, you can't endear"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "yourself to anybody online. You have to"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "just think for yourself. Not even us."}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "Not even. We're glad that you're here."}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "We love you, but you need to keep an"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "open mind about anything. Um, we are"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "gonna really try to never disappoint"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "you, but damn, if you're not just"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "constantly disappointed by people"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "online, right? So, don't worship humans."}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:23", "text": ">> No. And I'm just curious too, like"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "someone said, like the like ratio. You"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "can always tell these like fake numbers,"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "right? David maybe can speak more to it"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "because he studies the the that side of"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "YouTube maybe more, but like the the the"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "number of likes ver I mean, or people"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "commenting like Go ahead, David."}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "It's very very easy to see like if you"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "go on the views are really high and"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "there's there's a certain ratio like you"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "see a video that has a million views but"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "like 400 likes and you know 300 comments"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "that's fake you know and a great example"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "is Ben Shapiro. If you go look at his"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "videos now it's got tons of views and"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:03", "text": "his comments and and likes don't uh"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "coordinate correlate with those views."}, {"start": "00:49:03", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:09", "text": ">> Yeah. So it it it's pretty obvious if"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "you know what you're looking for."}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:13", "text": ">> Zer interant. Well, thank you for that."}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "All right. Well, we've got more news to"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "get to. We're going to talk about"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "economic D-Day. Uh Professor Robert Pap"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "is going to join us here in moments. Of"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "course, he uh of the the escalation"}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "ladder and has been watching this"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "escalation. Are we entering a new phase"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "of this escalation? Maybe not in the hot"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:29", "text": "war way, but in the sanctions way and"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "what this will mean for the economics"}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "reverberating around the world, pushing"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "people further away from the US dollar."}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "Uh, we're going to also play you the"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "soundbite there from Scott Bessent. Um,"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "oh, and Mike Pompeo came out of the"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "woodwork over the past few hours to also"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "comment and chime in on how great this"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "thing was that Besson put out there. 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Start"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "building your personal roadmap for your"}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "first property in and towards [music]"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "financial freedom."}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:21", "text": "All right. All right. So, get your"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "questions in here about economic D-Day"}, {"start": "00:51:21", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "if you'd like. Uh, let's see here. Any"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "other questions?"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "End criminal property taxes. I wish. Um,"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "um, redacted. Maybe invite Ghost of BPH"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "on your ex show. Also on the Alpha"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "Warrior show. He knows the Middle East"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "for sure. Have we had on um feel like we"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "might have had on"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "can't recall. We have we have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "great guests here on the show like our"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "next guest which we'll get to here in a"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "second. Well, it's hard not to look at"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "what the Treasury Secretary Scott Benson"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "just did and think to yourself they are"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "intentionally weakening the US dollar."}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:03", "text": "After all, President Trump told us that"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "was his goal. A weakened US dollar"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "would, you know, flood the United States"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "with manufacturing. Right? That's the"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "plan. Instead of the petro dollar, we"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "would have a North American USbacked"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "oil dollar essentially. Or maybe it's"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "backed by stable coins. Who the hell"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "knows at this point? It would drive"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "scores of other countries though into"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "the hands of BRICS nations clearly and a"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "currency that's maybe backed by gold,"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "China, Russia, etc. This week, Besson"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "directed the Treasury to launch an"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "economic D-Day against Iran. He almost"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "sounds out of breath and almost as if he"}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "doesn't really believe what he's saying"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "or doesn't want to even have to carry"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "the water for the administration on"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "this. But listen, today at President"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "Trump's direction, the United States"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "Treasury has begun Operation Economic"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "Outcast, an unprecedented campaign"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "against the Islamic Republic of Iran and"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "its enablers. In the Second World War,"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "D-Day marked the historic beginning of a"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "campaign with our allies to target and"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "drive the enemy from its positions,"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "including those in third countries."}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:17", "text": "Today, in that same spirit, we are"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "launching an economic onslaught against"}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "Iran's financial connections around the"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "globe. Around the globe. Our objective"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "is to sever every economic lifeline that"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:35", "text": "sustains this tyrannical regime until"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "Tran stands alone. Iran's fanatics"}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "devote themselves to death to America"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "and seek nuclear weapons to do just"}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "that. They have murdered and maimed more"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "of our citizens and service members than"}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "any other terrorist regime on Earth."}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:56", "text": ">> H interesting. So, will this economic"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "D-Day work and how will it work exactly?"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "What's really happening to the US dollar"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "right now? Well, Robert Pap is a"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "professor in the department of political"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "science at the University of Chicago and"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "author of the escalation trap on"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "Substack substack and the professor has"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "been of course talking about this"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "escalation trap and ladder that we've"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "been seeing over the past few months and"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "the professor joins us now. Great to"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "have you back on the show."}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:21", "text": ">> Oh, thanks for having me."}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:23", "text": ">> My pleasure. So, are we entering? Well,"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "first of all, I guess two questions. I"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "wanted to ask both of them. That's the"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "way my my [clears throat] Capricorn"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "brain works sometimes. So, let me let me"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "let me stop myself. Let me ask one"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "question. First of all, what do you make"}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "of this economic D-Day plan from the"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "Trump administration?"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:40", "text": ">> Uh, I think this is going to suck us"}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "deeper into an escalation trap, and it's"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "the road to more military force, not an"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "off-ramp to military force. So I I bring"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "I say this based on 30 years of studying"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:54", "text": "not just air power but parallel to my"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:56", "text": "studies of air power I've been studying"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:54:59", "text": "economic blockades and I've been"}, {"start": "00:54:56", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "studying economic sanctions and I have"}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "really focused on the period from World"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:09", "text": "War I until the present. And what you"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:11", "text": "see with the economic D-Day plan is it's"}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "actually quite similar to other, they"}, {"start": "00:55:11", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "didn't call them D-Days, but it's quite"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "similar to u economic D-Day plans that"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "we've seen from World War I to the"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "present. Um the British uh Winston"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "Churchill, first word of the tree, he"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "launched an uh what you call an economic"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "D-Day plan against uh Germany in World"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "War I. the most stringent sanctions and"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "blockade on Germany meant to starve"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:42", "text": "German civilians in World War I and"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "700,000 civilians died as a result of"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "that blockade, mostly very young, very"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "old due to disease and malnutrition."}, {"start": "00:55:48", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "World War II, just to pick another case,"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:57", "text": "uh Japan, uh America, we slapped uh"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "heavy oil sanctions on Japan. It's an"}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "island, so you can cut off the island."}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "Uh we also had then a naval blockade. So"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "the one-two punch you hear uh Scott"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "Besson talking about uh that did not"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "cause Japan to surrender. In fact, we"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "now know because we have all the"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "documents that the oil sanctions in July"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "41 were the key trigger to lead Japan to"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "attack us on Pearl Harbor. That was the"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "trigger. If we look at Sodom Hussein, so"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "get more near in time. Uh in the 1990s"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "um we kick Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "and then we keep uh these draconian"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:35", "text": "sanctions on Iraq including oil"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "sanctions and a land camp blockade on"}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "Iraq for 12 solid years. We dropped the"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "GDP by 50 by 50%. Some 500,000 civilians"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:49", "text": "are killed during this period. I should"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "just point out mostly babies, young, the"}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "very old again and doesn't break the"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "regime. And what we do is we have to"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "invade Iraq with 150,000 ground forces."}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "And then just one more which is uh"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin invades"}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "Ukraine. February two, 2022. We slap the"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:10", "text": "most extreme sanctions ever on a state."}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "That's what all it's always the most"}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "extreme folks. Um and that what has"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "happened this did not cause Putin to"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "collapse. uh he readjusts and the bottom"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "line is um uh they are fighting in"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "Ukraine the most extreme war of"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "attrition ground war of attrition since"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "World War II in Europe. So I just want"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "to point out that we have a history of"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "what happens with these economic D-Days"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "and they do they can bite and they will"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "probably bite pretty hard on Iran but"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "that highly unlikely to cause the regime"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "to collapse. instead of causing it to"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "collapse, it's likely to harden the"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "regime. And what's the result? We're"}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "likely to end up using more force."}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:56", "text": ">> More force. So, you answered the"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "question I was going to ask, which is"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "what will this lead to? Will this lead"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "to a maybe a shift into a different type"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "of escalation, which is more of an, you"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "know, an economic cyber attack style"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "escalation rather than a hot war. But"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "you believe"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:14", "text": ">> here's what is left out of the equation"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "so far. and why that pattern in history"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "repeats itself with such regularity."}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:23", "text": "The pattern is not just a pattern"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:25", "text": "historically but politically. You see"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:27", "text": "what these harsh economic sanctions and"}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "blockade are going to do including the"}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:32", "text": "secondary sanctions they are going to"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "inflict more pain on the Iranian people."}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "And as that pain is felt by the Iranian"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "people they are likely going to lash"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "back. And in fact, Iran's already in the"}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "last few weeks been attacking the UAE,"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "some other areas rather aggressively."}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "They've been initiating just in the last"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "few weeks. Well, as they initiate and do"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "more harm, which they may well do even"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "more harm, we will feel the pinch at"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "home. Our gas prices will go up if Iran"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "squeezes even more in hormones. And"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "what's that going to do? It's going to"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "make some of us more angry than we are."}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "And that's how you end up moving people"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "uh toward the war. So I think that what"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "you look when you look at these patterns"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "of D-Day maximum pressure, these aren't"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:24", "text": "offramps to war. These are the western"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "way of war. This is how you persuade"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "liberals, you've done everything"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "possible. The bad guys are still hurting"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "us. We don't want to really do it, but"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:35", "text": "reluctantly we're going to have to"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "escalate. Right? That's been the pattern"}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "with in history over and over and over"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "again,"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:44", "text": ">> right? No, it's a great point because"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "people think, well, the false flag that"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "was Pearl Harbor, we knew it was coming,"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "right? That's But hey, now we have this"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "rallying. We have this flag. We can"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "rally around Pearl Harbor and we're"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "going to stand up to the tyranny um of"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "the Empire of Japan."}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:03", "text": ">> FPR took full advantage of Pearl Harbor."}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "In fact, in my academic world, there is"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "a debate among uh uh at this time, did"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "FDR do that on purpose?"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:14", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I mean, I believe that's the"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "case. I mean, when you know when you"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "know that this is coming and you have"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:20", "text": "the opportunity to prevent it from"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "happening and when you you get in front"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "of Congress and you address them and you"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "you talk about the attack on Pearl"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:28", "text": "Harbor, but you conveniently leave out"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:29", "text": "the Philippines, you leave out all of"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "these other islands that were also"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "simultaneously attacked in order to"}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "rally the American public around one one"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:39", "text": "move, which is the attack on Hawaii to"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "me clearly. But anyway, but I think you"}, {"start": "01:00:39", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "bring up a great point. the catalyst was"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "the oil before Pearl Harbor. And so then"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "you you have what we're now seeing and"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "how this will reverberate across the"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "United States, you know, food crisis. I"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:56", "text": "keep continuing to see and talk to"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "ranchers and others about the coming"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "food crisis in the United States. um you"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "know cascading of course from diesel and"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "and energy and energy uh constrictions"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "but also the lack of food that we are"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:12", "text": "not not growing as a result of all of"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:14", "text": "this like where do you see that piece of"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:18", "text": "the puzzle fitting in"}, {"start": "01:01:14", "end": "01:01:21", "text": ">> what I see happening is we are being"}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "squeezed in with energy in the world's"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:27", "text": "economy and as you squeeze it's not a"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "knockout punch so people keep expecting"}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "there to be this sort of knockout that"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "could occur and maybe the AI bubble will"}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "pop or something like that will happen."}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "But we're already seeing the shocks that"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "occur. In June, you saw President Trump"}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "sign an ANOU saying he was worried about"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "the world going off the edge. That's a"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "shock. Now we're seeing Bessent"}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "reacting. And why is he reacting?"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "Because Hormuz is shut. He's looking for"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "a way to open it. This is a shock here."}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "We're just And so this is what's"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "happening. And as the squeeze happens,"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "what you say gets worse. And we're"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "seeing that we're in $40 trillion. We're"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "doing this with $40 trillion of debt."}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "We're in an interlocked global financial"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "system. And Scott Besson himself on"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "Monday, just want to repeat something he"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "said so that everybody makes sure they"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "hear this. Because somebody asked him,"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:28", "text": "\"Why aren't you already hitting China"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:30", "text": "hard now? Go get them now.\" And he said,"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "\"Well, I want to issue a warning first"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:35", "text": "because I don't want to break down the"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "whole world financial system.\""}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:38", "text": ">> He said, \"Blow it up.\" Yeah. I don't"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "want to blow up blow up the world."}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:41", "text": ">> He was even harsher than the way you"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "described. I don't want to blow up the"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "entire world financial system. Why?"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:48", "text": ">> Think about this. This is our Secretary"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:52", "text": "of the Treasury saying this. He's"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:55", "text": "unleashing a plan where he's reluctant"}, {"start": "01:02:52", "end": "01:02:58", "text": "to actually do it because it could only"}, {"start": "01:02:55", "end": "01:03:01", "text": "blow up the entire financial system. Our"}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "$40 trillion in debt that I mean we're"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "already paying the biggest item in the"}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "US federal budgets already interest on"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "the debt. This is already that was"}, {"start": "01:03:08", "end": "01:03:13", "text": "before the Iran war. This is going to be"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "much much much worse. And so what you"}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "are seeing here is we are playing with"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:19", "text": "fire and we could burn down the entire"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "house."}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:24", "text": ">> Well, I think you bring up a great point"}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "and you know to me it seems intentional."}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "I can't help but think, professor, that"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "this is all part of the plan. After all,"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "we heard President Trump on multiple"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "occasions talking about not I'm not I"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "like I like a strong dollar, but I think"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "really having a weak US dollar is how we"}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:42", "text": "can shift economically in the United"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "States. do what China"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:47", "text": ">> all I would say here is he he you are"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "seeing plans come out of uh the"}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:51", "text": "administration and you're also seeing"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "deeper plans come out I think the big"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:55", "text": "thing that's left out here is the"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "transition period to this weak dollar"}, {"start": "01:03:55", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "and how bad that could be. I think many"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "people are imagining it must be a soft"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "landing that's coming. If we're going to"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "transition we wouldn't do it in a way"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "that would be abrupt and break things. I"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:12", "text": "think rather we should just take the,"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "you know, the the remember the phrase"}, {"start": "01:04:12", "end": "01:04:17", "text": "from uh Elon Musk when he did Doge, he's"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:19", "text": "gonna break things and then we'll just"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "fix them. I think this is what you're"}, {"start": "01:04:19", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "seeing in this administration. They're"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:27", "text": "breaking things and as they break them,"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:30", "text": "they're trying to fix them, but the"}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "breakage is much worse than we're being,"}, {"start": "01:04:30", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "you know, warned about upfront. That's"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "what I'm trying to do with this D-Day"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:39", "text": "plan. I'm trying to point out that yes,"}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:41", "text": "we have a question. Will China go along?"}, {"start": "01:04:39", "end": "01:04:43", "text": "I don't think they'll go along for all"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "the reasons a lot of other people think."}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "But I think beyond that, the really big"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:52", "text": "issue is this is the road to more"}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:55", "text": "escalation. This will encourage Iran uh"}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "to attack. I believe they already have"}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "the UAE in their gun sites and the UAE"}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:03", "text": "is one of the key countries that's been"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "getting oil out through this uh the Gulf"}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "of Oman. You take that out, our gas"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "prices go up more. So, it's not true."}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "Iran has done its worst. It can do much"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:18", "text": "worse. And we're encouraging that. And I"}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "think this we're we're going to feel the"}, {"start": "01:05:18", "end": "01:05:22", "text": "P. We will pay the price for this."}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:25", "text": ">> And President Trump even a week ago on"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:27", "text": "the campaign trail said it's okay. You"}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "know, Americans can just you guys will"}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:31", "text": "endure a little bit more in gas prices."}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:33", "text": "That's how it's being sold to us. you'll"}, {"start": "01:05:31", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "just endure a little bit more and higher"}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "gas prices. But of course, the truth is"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "much harsher than all of that. Of"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "course, we're seeing it in our food"}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "prices. We're seeing it all across the"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "board in the United States."}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:46", "text": ">> Well, I think the price hasn't So, I did"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "a analysis on my escalation trap"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "Substack a few weeks ago because I"}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "wanted to get inside of this a little"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "more because people are always asking"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "what's the break point of Iran? What are"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "the break points with the United States?"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "And I think this is on the escalation"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "trap Substack uh one of the live"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "briefings. So, but basically right now"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:12", "text": "we're just at $410 for average annual uh"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:16", "text": "national price of oil. If this gets up"}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "to 550, if this goes up a much, you"}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:21", "text": "know, that next level in a serious way,"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:24", "text": "uh, even for just a few weeks, you're"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "going to see a much different picture, a"}, {"start": "01:06:24", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "much different reaction because suddenly"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "that's just the price of gasoline. You"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "see, diesel is much higher than that."}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "And diesel is what carries all of that"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "food. So when you talk about food here,"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "um, this is uh the the price of diesel"}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "will go up. So, I believe that we're"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "we're not there yet. We're sort of at"}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:49", "text": "the we've moved up. We're feeling the"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "pain, but we're not at the level of the"}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "serious costs that could be just around"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "the corner. And that's what I worry"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:07:01", "text": "about. Iran is now we're incentivizing"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "Iran to push on the door they're already"}, {"start": "01:07:01", "end": "01:07:07", "text": "pushing on which is to literally shut"}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "down uh UAE oil literally shut down"}, {"start": "01:07:07", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "Saudi oil at the time when our SPR the"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "strategic petroleum reserves are really"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "going to run out around the time of the"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:21", "text": "m of the midterms and we always"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "anticipate this we have runs on the bank"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "before the bank actually runs out you"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "see so you don't have to wait for the"}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "SPR to actually hit rock bottom. So, we"}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:33", "text": "really are in this really precarious"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "moment. And I think once you get the gas"}, {"start": "01:07:33", "end": "01:07:39", "text": "prices up that next rung higher, so they"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "went from 280 to 410 in this war so far,"}, {"start": "01:07:39", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "you go that next rung up, now all of a"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "sudden things going to be much much more"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "uh costly here on Americans and they're"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:56", "text": "going to let you know it. uh US banking"}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:58", "text": "system is also facing kind of enormous"}, {"start": "01:07:56", "end": "01:07:59", "text": "stress at the same exact moment. You're"}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "seeing this in the US housing market and"}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:04", "text": "of course commercial loans and who knows"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:06", "text": "what's about to happen here. All of this"}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:09", "text": "I just I feel like this is a perfect"}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "storm, professor. I mean, the American"}, {"start": "01:08:09", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "dollar is worth less today than it was"}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "yesterday, and that's going to be the"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "same thing tomorrow. And our buying"}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "power is diminishing, and they want a"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:22", "text": "weaker dollar in my opinion. And I think"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "they're pushing us into a system of"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "whether it's some sort of a digital"}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "digital currency system, a US backed"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "stable coin system. This is all sort of"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:31", "text": "meant to drive us in a certain way. I"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:34", "text": "get the feeling"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:37", "text": ">> it may be. But here's the analogy that I"}, {"start": "01:08:34", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "I often use with my my Substacks, which"}, {"start": "01:08:37", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "is the 2007"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "uh housing crisis, which started with"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "the no dock loans, right? And um just to"}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:48", "text": "recall and tell people who weren't"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:50", "text": "really following things at that point in"}, {"start": "01:08:48", "end": "01:08:52", "text": "time, we had lots of warning just like"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "we do now. Starting in the summer of"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "2007, we saw these uh failure rates in"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:09:01", "text": "some of they were called junk bonds. And"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "I can remember all these shows, people,"}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:05", "text": "you know, very important people telling"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "us not to worry. And then what happened"}, {"start": "01:09:05", "end": "01:09:11", "text": "in the fall and October is we had Lehman"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "Brothers fail. It was essentially the"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:16", "text": "first failure of a financial"}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "institution. Once you had that happen,"}, {"start": "01:09:16", "end": "01:09:23", "text": "it was like the do the the dam broke and"}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "now all of a sudden you were in the mega"}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "crisis that went on for two years. And"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:32", "text": "this was when we we felt uh President"}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "Bush and President Obama both of them"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "bailed out these giant financial"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "institutions at the to the cost of their"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "actual constituents and suddenly we"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:45", "text": "learned that these banks were too big to"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "fail. So all this idea that we're going"}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:51", "text": "to you know make all these changes uh no"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "what might end up happening here is the"}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:56", "text": "little guy ends up paying all the price."}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "the richer you are, the better off you"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "are in this situation. And I would just"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "go back to the 2007 crisis here. And it"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "was really stunning with Barack Obama"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "because many of his supporters and I I"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "saw them and talked to him at the"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "University of Chicago all the time. I"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:14", "text": "mean, this was a constant thing. How"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "could Obama uh do this to all of his"}, {"start": "01:10:14", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "supporters here? Um and it was bailing"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:22", "text": "out those those banks. So, this is what"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "I worry about. Who will be the layman"}, {"start": "01:10:22", "end": "01:10:27", "text": "here? Will it be Japan? Will it be uh"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:31", "text": "say South Korea? Maybe will it be the"}, {"start": "01:10:27", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "UAE? Who's going to be the first of a"}, {"start": "01:10:31", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "major institution of some kind that's"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "literally going to fail and that will"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "trigger the panic which is the run on"}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:41", "text": "the bank syndrome."}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:43", "text": ">> Well, it won't be Black Rockck because"}, {"start": "01:10:41", "end": "01:10:44", "text": "last time they called Larry Frink and"}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:46", "text": "they said, \"Larry, we need you to buy up"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "all this stuff and save us.\" That's"}, {"start": "01:10:46", "end": "01:10:49", "text": "essentially what had to happen last"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:51", "text": "time. Um Stanley Drunken Miller, who's"}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "Scott Benson's, you know, colleague,"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:56", "text": "friend, good friend, um and protege of"}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:57", "text": "George Soros, published a piece in the"}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:11:00", "text": "Wall Street Journal the other night,"}, {"start": "01:10:57", "end": "01:11:03", "text": "saying, \"Let the bond market speak.\" And"}, {"start": "01:11:00", "end": "01:11:05", "text": "basically saying that we can't we have"}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "to get rid of this debt. Like it's"}, {"start": "01:11:05", "end": "01:11:09", "text": "unsustainable. This was like a shot"}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:11", "text": "across the bow of Washington. Like we we"}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "cannot keep spending like this. Both"}, {"start": "01:11:11", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "Democrats and Republicans, get your head"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "out of the out of the toilet. We need to"}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:19", "text": "stop this spending. And then Scott"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "Besson, his friend, goes out there the"}, {"start": "01:11:19", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "next day and you know, I'm sure it's"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "like you have to wonder if he's carrying"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "the water."}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:30", "text": ">> This is also back to again my analogy"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:32", "text": "with the housing crisis in 2007. We saw"}, {"start": "01:11:30", "end": "01:11:34", "text": "the no dock problem coming for years. We"}, {"start": "01:11:32", "end": "01:11:37", "text": "wouldn't fix it because it was"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "politically harmful to the big donors in"}, {"start": "01:11:37", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "both parties. That's what happened here."}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "It's not we didn't see it coming. We"}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "stuck our head in the sand. both"}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "parties. By the way, again, that's what"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:49", "text": "I'm trying to explain. It was a both"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "party thing. And I think you're seeing"}, {"start": "01:11:49", "end": "01:11:55", "text": "something similar here. We see it"}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "coming. This title wave is coming, but"}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "we're deciding because the donors, the"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:03", "text": "people with the money here, um, uh,"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:05", "text": "would be hurt if we actually stop this."}, {"start": "01:12:03", "end": "01:12:08", "text": "I think this is our and this is our one"}, {"start": "01:12:05", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "of our big problems with our our country"}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "that's also leading to political"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "violence and dis disillusionment with"}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "the establishment. So I'm I'm about to"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "come out with this book, Our own Worst"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:19", "text": "Enemies, which is analyzing why do you"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:22", "text": "have a rise of political violence in the"}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:24", "text": "United States. A lot of the reason is"}, {"start": "01:12:22", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "disillusionment with the uh with the"}, {"start": "01:12:24", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "economics of our country, which is"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "shuttling so much to the uber rich. And"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "what you see is um this is not just a"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "one-off. It's not a one party thing. And"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:39", "text": "so that's one of the reasons why you're"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "getting massive disillusion with"}, {"start": "01:12:39", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "politics. and it's underneath some of"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:46", "text": "the rise of support for political"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "violence. Just think Luigi Manion. So,"}, {"start": "01:12:46", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "this these are not independent factors."}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "They're not just interesting to talk"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "about on our shows, although they are"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "interesting. I'll grant you that. Um,"}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:13:01", "text": "but the uh but it it's much more"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "consequential. And we're just waiting"}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "again for the first dam to break. And"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "when that happens, I don't think it's"}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:11", "text": "going to be so easy. Cuz see, in 2007,"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "we weren't 40 trillion in debt."}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:16", "text": ">> Now we're 40 trillion in debt. So when"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "we go to bail out now, where are we"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "getting that other five or seven"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "trillion dollars? We're not"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:23", "text": ">> It's a great It's a great question. And"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:26", "text": "you know, people in the chat room are"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "asking, Professor like, what happened to"}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:31", "text": "that Venezuelan oil? Like we're all, you"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "know, and then what do you think will be"}, {"start": "01:13:31", "end": "01:13:35", "text": "the the breaking point moment? What will"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "what in your opinion will be the Lehman"}, {"start": "01:13:35", "end": "01:13:41", "text": "Brothers moment? The dirty secret with"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:44", "text": "the Venezuelan oil is that it's going to"}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:47", "text": "take civilian contractors going into"}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "those jungles in Venezuela and taking"}, {"start": "01:13:47", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "the risk of being killed by the"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:55", "text": "gorillas. So this is why nobody is"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:58", "text": "developing Venezuela. It's not because"}, {"start": "01:13:55", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "it doesn't have oil. It is sluggish oil."}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:03", "text": "But the bottom line is it's too"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "dangerous and the companies just won't"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:06", "text": "do it because they don't want to die."}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "They want a paycheck."}, {"start": "01:14:06", "end": "01:14:10", "text": ">> Well, if the price of oil keeps"}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:12", "text": "plummeting and goes up, I mean, it's"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:14", "text": "it's such a huge risk for them, right,"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:15", "text": "to put up these oil derks, do all of"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:17", "text": "this work in infrastructure if the price"}, {"start": "01:14:15", "end": "01:14:18", "text": "of oil is going to plummet the next day"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:19", "text": "because we don't know"}, {"start": "01:14:18", "end": "01:14:22", "text": ">> and and the price could plummet, but"}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "also if the gorillas just take it over,"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:24", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:27", "text": ">> So, we got to understand this is not a"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "this is not a a stable this isn't"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:33", "text": "Arizona. We're not moving into Arizona"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "or or some stable place here. We're"}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "talking about areas that actually have"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "some real violence in them and we've"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:41", "text": "been studying that violence for decades."}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "So the idea you're going to plunk"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:47", "text": "civilian contractors into this is just"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:51", "text": "not reasonable here. I think the real"}, {"start": "01:14:47", "end": "01:14:54", "text": "the the the re the real um uh uh crisis"}, {"start": "01:14:51", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "here. The the danger zone is going to go"}, {"start": "01:14:54", "end": "01:14:59", "text": "through January. Somebody wants to know"}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:01", "text": "a little more prediction here. So again,"}, {"start": "01:14:59", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "please join escalation trap substack."}, {"start": "01:15:01", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "you'll get much more of this, but"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:09", "text": "January is is is likely going to be the"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "time frame that Iran is going to really"}, {"start": "01:15:09", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "keep pushing the pedal to the metal. And"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "why and then in January likely to"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "reorient and rethink. Why? Because come"}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "January, everybody, Iran included, is"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "going to start to be in a postTrump"}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "world. They're going to start thinking"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "what's beyond President Trump. And that"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "then can open up some doors. So between"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "now and January is our true danger zone."}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "That's the danger zone. And this is uh I"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:42", "text": "can't tell you what day. So people want"}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:45", "text": "to poly market everything. But what I'm"}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "telling you is this is our danger zone."}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "And don't expect things to get better"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:53", "text": "between now and January 3rd. Once the"}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:55", "text": "new Congress is seated, however, that"}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "will change the time frame for"}, {"start": "01:15:55", "end": "01:16:00", "text": "everybody. will all be calculating a"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "postTrump world."}, {"start": "01:16:00", "end": "01:16:06", "text": ">> Wow. [sighs]"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:08", "text": "We are we are in incredibly different"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:10", "text": "territory now. But I love your"}, {"start": "01:16:08", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "historical perspective because history"}, {"start": "01:16:10", "end": "01:16:13", "text": "repeats itself and we can pay attention"}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:15", "text": "to all of these markers, these"}, {"start": "01:16:13", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "catalysts, what happens with these"}, {"start": "01:16:15", "end": "01:16:19", "text": "economic choke points that lead to"}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "further violence. So, thank you for"}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:23", "text": "that. Thank you for enlightening all of"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:25", "text": "us. I want you to read the professor's"}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:26", "text": "substack, the escalation trap. We'll"}, {"start": "01:16:25", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "have it linked up in the show"}, {"start": "01:16:26", "end": "01:16:29", "text": "description for people as well."}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:30", "text": "Professor, always great to see you."}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "Thank you so much."}, {"start": "01:16:30", "end": "01:16:34", "text": ">> Yeah, thank you. Always great. Always"}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:35", "text": "great discussions here. Always."}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:37", "text": ">> Thank you so much, professor. Great,"}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:38", "text": "great stuff."}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:40", "text": ">> What do you guys think about that? I"}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:42", "text": "know Philip, you were going to jump in"}, {"start": "01:16:40", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "there and I think ran out of time. I I"}, {"start": "01:16:42", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "stopped myself because I couldn't"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:47", "text": "remember the exact numbers, but there's"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "I can't remember if it's millions or"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:50", "text": "billions and that's what I was I didn't"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "really want to bring it up, but there's"}, {"start": "01:16:50", "end": "01:16:55", "text": "something like I want to say 300 either"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:57", "text": "300 million or 300 billion in in oil has"}, {"start": "01:16:55", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "been sold from Venezuela and only like"}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:02", "text": "19 of the same has gone back to them and"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:05", "text": "the rest of it is just nobody knows."}, {"start": "01:17:02", "end": "01:17:07", "text": "Nobody knows who has that money. Like it"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:10", "text": "just so it's being sold but it's not"}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "going back to Venezuela and nobody's"}, {"start": "01:17:10", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "really sure where it's going."}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:15", "text": "It's just one big moneyaundering"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "operation of course. Right. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:15", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "Exactly. And our strategic petroleum"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "reserves are completely depleted. And to"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:22", "text": "his point when he called it sluggish"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:24", "text": "oil, it's you know it's it's not easy to"}, {"start": "01:17:22", "end": "01:17:25", "text": "process. It's not the like the best oil"}, {"start": "01:17:24", "end": "01:17:28", "text": "in the world. It's actually some of the"}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "worst. Um so the risk of being off the"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:32", "text": "coast of Venezuela whether you know and"}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:34", "text": "China was had a big presence there and"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:36", "text": "was actually helping to refine this oil"}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "um until they were unceremoniously"}, {"start": "01:17:36", "end": "01:17:41", "text": "pushed out. So now does BP want to"}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "actually spend the money to do that and"}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:46", "text": "at what risk to the civilians that would"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "be on those to his point. So yeah uh but"}, {"start": "01:17:46", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "you know this is all part of the plan"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "this idea of the North American you know"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:55", "text": "technate so that the United States North"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "America it's one big"}, {"start": "01:17:55", "end": "01:18:00", "text": "monolith in North America and we can"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:02", "text": "bring the US we can bring the petro"}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:05", "text": "dollar from Saudi Arabia into the North"}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "American petro dollar. Um, that's why"}, {"start": "01:18:05", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "President Trump calling it the Gulf of"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "America instead of the Gulf of Mexico."}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:12", "text": "Like all of these pieces like are"}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:14", "text": "playing out. And of course, if you"}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "listen to like Glenn Beck and others,"}, {"start": "01:18:14", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "like Glenn's like, \"This is all part of"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:21", "text": "the 5D chess that Trump has been"}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:23", "text": "playing.\" Okay."}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:24", "text": "All right. So, people"}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:27", "text": ">> I'd rather they just play 3D chess and"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:28", "text": "play it well."}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:31", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:33", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh, do you guys think I mean what"}, {"start": "01:18:31", "end": "01:18:35", "text": "when I'll ask you guys in the chat room"}, {"start": "01:18:33", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "like when do you do you think it's it's"}, {"start": "01:18:35", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "getting better? Do you think it's"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:39", "text": "getting worse? Do you think we're"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:41", "text": "heading towards this giant iceberg that"}, {"start": "01:18:39", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "basically Professor Pap is talking about"}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "here in the next coming coming months."}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:48", "text": "Um, I mean when you have Stanley Drunken"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:50", "text": "Miller publishing that piece maybe we"}, {"start": "01:18:48", "end": "01:18:52", "text": "can put it back up on the screen. It's"}, {"start": "01:18:50", "end": "01:18:55", "text": "worth a read again. Friend of Scott"}, {"start": "01:18:52", "end": "01:18:56", "text": "Besson. He's going and he knows who's"}, {"start": "01:18:55", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "reading this when he publishes a piece"}, {"start": "01:18:56", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "like this. He knows that his friend"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:05", "text": "is going to read this and he knows that"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:08", "text": "Washington DC is going to read this and"}, {"start": "01:19:05", "end": "01:19:10", "text": "here he is telling everyone this is"}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "unsustainable. Like we are heading for a"}, {"start": "01:19:10", "end": "01:19:16", "text": "massive dis uh disaster. So you guys"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:19", "text": "want to do anything about it. Um I I"}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:20", "text": "don't know. I don't think the AI bubble"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:22", "text": "has anything to do with it. Maybe it'll"}, {"start": "01:19:20", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "be a small catalyst. Who knows? 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It's"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:26", "text": "really been a"}, {"start": "01:21:24", "end": "01:21:28", "text": ">> Yeah, I just I just think that they just"}, {"start": "01:21:26", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "released Gemini on the platform and it's"}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:34", "text": "just created chaos and they're just"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "trying to I mean, it's a we deal with a"}, {"start": "01:21:34", "end": "01:21:36", "text": "channel this size. We're supposed to"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:38", "text": "have a person to talk to, but you you"}, {"start": "01:21:36", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "never get a human to talk to. Like"}, {"start": "01:21:38", "end": "01:21:41", "text": "they'll do reviews of our videos that"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "they take down or whatever, which we"}, {"start": "01:21:41", "end": "01:21:45", "text": "haven't had in a while, but and it's"}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:47", "text": "like 2 minutes for an hourong video. So,"}, {"start": "01:21:45", "end": "01:21:50", "text": "it's like everything is so AI and I"}, {"start": "01:21:47", "end": "01:21:52", "text": "think it's just like, you know, I I"}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "don't think it's a the platform is is"}, {"start": "01:21:52", "end": "01:21:55", "text": "stable right now. So, hopefully that's"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:57", "text": "what they're fixing. They're going to go"}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "in there and maybe have their own AI go"}, {"start": "01:21:57", "end": "01:22:00", "text": "in and fix the AI problems."}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:02", "text": ">> Yeah, [laughter] maybe. I don't know."}, {"start": "01:22:00", "end": "01:22:04", "text": "But it's been a disaster"}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:06", "text": ">> because like"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:08", "text": ">> now I don't get any of the variety on my"}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "home feed anymore. Like when I would go"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:10", "text": "to the homepage on YouTube to see the"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "channels that I'm subscribed to and if I"}, {"start": "01:22:10", "end": "01:22:14", "text": "wanted to I felt like watching I don't"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:16", "text": "know this video over here, maybe a a"}, {"start": "01:22:14", "end": "01:22:18", "text": "gaming video over here, maybe a fly"}, {"start": "01:22:16", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "fishing video over here, I don't see any"}, {"start": "01:22:18", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "of it. I just see like a very narrow"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:26", "text": "little sampling. It's really it's"}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "garbage. And so so many people complain"}, {"start": "01:22:26", "end": "01:22:29", "text": "to us like, \"We don't see your stuff"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "anymore.\""}, {"start": "01:22:29", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "Well, there you go."}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:33", "text": ">> Well, yeah. For me, I don't know if you"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:34", "text": "get the same thing, but it's like the"}, {"start": "01:22:33", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "whole first row is stuff that I don't"}, {"start": "01:22:34", "end": "01:22:37", "text": "really want to watch, and then the"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:38", "text": "second row is just a repeat of that row."}, {"start": "01:22:37", "end": "01:22:41", "text": "It's like,"}, {"start": "01:22:38", "end": "01:22:42", "text": ">> right, and then they're pushing crap on"}, {"start": "01:22:41", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "you, too. All the short stuff, which is"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:45", "text": "annoying."}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:48", "text": ">> I get I get like one there'll usually be"}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:49", "text": "like one uh video from a channel I'm"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "subscribed to,"}, {"start": "01:22:49", "end": "01:22:54", "text": ">> and then there'll be usually if it's a"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "channel I'm subscribed to, it's not"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:56", "text": "showing me their most recent thing. It's"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:22:58", "text": "showing me something from like four"}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:22:58", "text": "years ago."}, {"start": "01:22:58", "end": "01:23:00", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:22:58", "end": "01:23:02", "text": ">> Or stuff that I've already watched. And"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:04", "text": "that's what that's what So it's like I"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:05", "text": "just keep refreshing. So it's like"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "there's a lot of channels that if I want"}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "to watch their stuff, I have to go to"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "that channel cuz it just will not show"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "it to me."}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:13", "text": ">> It's crazy."}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:17", "text": ">> I know. It's it's the same thing's"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:19", "text": "happening to a lot of big channels right"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "now, but and the way whatever this like"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:23", "text": "little AI dance that they're doing right"}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "now. But you know, Rumble, hey, we've"}, {"start": "01:23:23", "end": "01:23:27", "text": "been doing really really well on Rumble."}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "our audience continues to grow over on"}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:30", "text": "Rumble in a big big way. So, thanks to I"}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:31", "text": "see so many of the people in the"}, {"start": "01:23:30", "end": "01:23:33", "text": "comments, they're like, \"We're on Rumble"}, {"start": "01:23:31", "end": "01:23:34", "text": "anyway. We don't care about YouTube.\""}, {"start": "01:23:33", "end": "01:23:37", "text": "So, anyway, thanks to all of our folks"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "on Rumble. We really appreciate it. And"}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "thanks to everyone watching on X as"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:42", "text": "well. We have a pretty big audience on X"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:44", "text": "now as well. So, thanks to all of you"}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:46", "text": "for subscribing and being a part of us,"}, {"start": "01:23:44", "end": "01:23:48", "text": "part of our community here. And"}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "obviously, everyone's traveling right"}, {"start": "01:23:48", "end": "01:23:52", "text": "now. It's the dog days of summer, so"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "we're ramping up, you know, a lot of"}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:56", "text": "really interesting content. our redacted"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "files content and things like that"}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:24:00", "text": "that'll be coming out here after Labor"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:02", "text": "Day and into the fall. So hopefully"}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "we'll have a uh we'll have a good we'll"}, {"start": "01:24:02", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "have a good time in the fall, I think."}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:07", "text": "Anyway, got a lot of great interviews"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:09", "text": "lined up. So, thank you guys for joining"}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:11", "text": "us today on the show. Thanks for"}, {"start": "01:24:09", "end": "01:24:13", "text": "subscribing. Thanks for sharing us with"}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:14", "text": "your loved ones. And we'll see you back"}, {"start": "01:24:13", "end": "01:24:18", "text": "here tomorrow at 400 PM Eastern time."}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:18", "text": "Have a great night, everyone. [music]"}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:32", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "01:24:35", "end": "01:24:38", "text": ">> Hey."}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:54", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:06", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:09", "text": ">> Heat. Heat."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "investigative journalist Derek Bros"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "joins us now. Derek, great to have you"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "back on the show."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Thanks for having me back, Clayton."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> So, your new investigation, you know,"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "lots of focus of course on these flock"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "cameras. That is the story of the day."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "And then, of course, data centers that"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "are working handinand with these flock"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "cameras and, you know, capturing and"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "storing all of these massive video"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "files, of course. But your new"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "investigation has uncovered another"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "layer of the story that involves Peter"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Teal. It involves the surveillance"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "state. It involves the US border. And of"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "course, the concern about the US border"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "about having this sort of biometric"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "scanning at our border was all part of"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "the plan with the Trump administration"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "from the very beginning, it appears. So"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "maybe you can walk us through what"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "you've uncovered and why really no one"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "but you is talking about this part of"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "the story. and I wanted to give you the"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "floor to talk about this. So, the floor"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "is yours, my friend."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": ">> Thank you, Clayton. So, yeah, as you"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "said, there's lots of concern, I think"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "rightfully so, about flop cameras,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "automatic license plate readers, and"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "other types of surveillance, but there"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "hasn't been lately on the types of"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "surveillance that are rolling out in"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "relation to the fight against illegal"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "immigration. And I think no matter what"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "people's opinions on that particular"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "topic, you know, where they land on that"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "issue, I think people understand the"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "concerns about the increase of"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "militarization and surveillance not only"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "along the border because as we're going"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "to talk about here, it's not just at the"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "border and most people when they think"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "about um you know the border patrol,"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "ICE, uh they think about things that are"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "happening all along the Mexican border"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "for the most part, but as we know in the"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "post 911 era, the Customs and Border"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "Patrol believe that they have a 100mile"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "const constitution free zone where they"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "are essentially allowed to do whatever"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "they want. And so I found this this"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "latest report from the Government"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "Accountability Office, the GAO, which"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "is, you know, fairly well known, I would"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "say, for those who are politicos and pay"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "attention to this stuff, but probably"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "the average person doesn't really know"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "about them. And they've been around for"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "decades. It's a essentially the auditing"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "department of the federal government"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "that puts out annual reports that"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "Congress is supposed to review."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "Sometimes they make no difference, but"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "nevertheless, the reports are out there"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "and they put out information that is"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "relevant to the average person if people"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "were only paying attention. And in this"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "latest report, they outline how we are"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "going to see a tripling of the number of"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "what are called automatic surveillance"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "towers along the border. They currently"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "sit about 800 and over the next uh seven"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "eight years we're going to see them"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "triple to nearly 3,000. And this is"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "largely coming from uh there was some"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "previous funding, you know, from the"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "Biden administration, but it's largely"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "coming from the Trump's big bill that"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "passed last year. He loves to call it"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "the big beautiful bill. I have become in"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "the habit of calling it the big brother"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "bill because of these types of uh"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "funding that was included in it. And it"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "included massive increases of funding"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "for not only these surveillance towers,"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "but for more automatic license plate"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "readers along the border and other"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "things of this sort. And as I said, it's"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "not just about uh people who are"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "crossing in from Mexico. It is the"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "borders, you know, all around the"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "country all the way up to Canada and on"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "both coasts as well. And if you think"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "about that, if you think about this"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "concept of a constitution free zone,"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "which I think is should be ruled"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "unconstitutional if it ever makes it to"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "the Supreme Court. If you think about"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "that, that is such a broad land mass"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "that it absolutely includes Americans"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "living in different towns near and close"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "to the border. So when these"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "surveillance towers are being installed,"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "that means average people, law-abiding"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "people doing nothing but living their"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "lives are now being surveyed by these"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "towers, which they say are obstensively"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "about uh just, you know, looking for"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "illegal immigrants, but clearly are"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "doing more than that. They're able to"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "watch people as they go to school, as"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "they go to work, and as they live their"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "lives. And I think that's where it"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "starts to become more clear that from my"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "perspective, this is really about, you"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "know, really kind of expanding that"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "surveillance state. It's not just about"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "stopping illegal immigrants."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> So maybe you can walk me through some of"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "the technology here. They're called"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "Endural Towers. Is that am I pronouncing"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "that right?"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> Yeah. 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They"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "want to be the ones leading the charge"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "and they really are starting to do so"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "and this is largely because of their"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "technology particularly their artificial"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "intelligence AI technology and soil"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "they are not only the ones who are"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "providing these automatic surveillance"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "towers these but they're also providing"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "the AI software that goes along with"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "them it's called lattis and uh this"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "lattis technology is being used not only"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "by the border patrol but other"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "departments of the US government and"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "essentially it's it's you know it's the"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "next wave. It's saying this is not just"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "a camera because these cameras they have"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "radar, they have thermal, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "they're equipped to the max with all the"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "types of technology which in a perfect"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "world if you could trust government and"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "they genuinely were just trying to catch"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "people who are breaking the law and"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "sneaking over the fence, you might say,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "\"Okay, this is useful technology.\" But"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "understanding what we do about the way"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "the government really operates and and"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "maybe some of their larger goals, it"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "starts to become more worrisome. So, not"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "only do they have these different types"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "of radar and thermal technologies, but"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "then when they get equipped with the AI"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "software with Lattis, this makes them"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "even more powerful, more able to scan"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "vehicles and to not only just scan the"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "vehicles and look for license plate like"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "we've seen with flop cameras, but to"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "scan and to determine the number of"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "people who are in the car. I I've seen"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "reports from years ago, which I think"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "are are now current, saying that their"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "goal was eventually to have these"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "cameras be powerful enough so that they"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "could see the person sitting in the back"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "seat and, you know, so they could see"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "right through the car, see the the"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "license plate, see the driver, and see"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "how many people are as clear as day, you"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "know, as clear as you and I are seeing"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "each other right now dozens and dozens,"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "hundreds of miles away. And so the AI"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "software is just making these tools even"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "more powerful. And I think that that"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "makes it even more worrisome, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Because now we're also Andrew is not"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "only partnering with uh Border Patrol on"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "this particular technology, but they're"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "also making autonomous drones. Their"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "first uh US-made Ohio made autonomous"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "drones recently rolled off the uh the"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "factory out of the factories a couple"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "months ago and they've signed uh"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "contracts with the US Defense Department"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "for $200 million I believe was the most"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "recent one. So they are increasingly"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "becoming a major partner with the US"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "military, with the defense department,"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "and with the government in and the"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "border patrol."}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "So one of the big concerns about 6G"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "technology going forward is that it's"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "it's incredibly invasive. I mean, can"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "see through walls. President Trump"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "famously a few months ago was sort of"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "joking about but very excited about 6G"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "technology, its ability to sort of scan"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "through anything. Um"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "I imagine well I don't know I mean but"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "maybe you can talk more about the type"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "of scanning technology and tracking"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "technology how they're able to you know"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "what kind of thermal cameras what kind"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "of are they using some sort of a 5G or"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "6G"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "scanning technology that's able to see"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "right through cars and vehicles and"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "trucks."}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "I I didn't see anything specifically"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "mentioning 5G or 6G when describing this"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "technology, but I do believe that that'd"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "be a part of it because, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "actually produced a documentary on 5G"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "back in 2020 and trying to warn people"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "that the 5G networks and now the 6G"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "networks and eventually 7G even though"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "they're not talking about it yet. Um,"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "these are really the backbone for this"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "this uh world of the internet of things"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "and the internet of bodies that we know"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "that they're trying to build. And of"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "course when they say that internet of"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "things they simply mean like on the"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "commercial level they mean your smart"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "fridge, your smart toaster, your"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "smartphone. All these sort of different"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "devices become interconnected and they"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "they create what they call the internet"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "of things. But at the same time when we"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "get to the military level 5G and 6G"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "really are the backbone for these"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "advanced technologies. Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "artificial intelligence and for"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "autonomous drones and for autonomous uh"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "vehicles of different types because in"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "order for those those technologies to"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "operate they need to have these faster"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "networks and 5G and 6G has low latency"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "which means there's the signals are um"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "extremely fast but also along with that"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "one of the major dangers and concerns in"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "terms of EMF exposure for the average"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "person is that they have to install more"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "towers everywhere for them to operate."}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "So, while they're promising that this 5G"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "6G world is going to include what Trump"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "was describing, the ability to be be"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "able to see through walls, which they"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "already have technology like that in"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "other ways, um, in order for them to"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "have that capacity, they're going to"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "have to increase the number of small"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "cells and wireless towers around the"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "country, which Trump has largely been a"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "part of accelerating under his first"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "administration during COVID before he"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "left office and and in this second term"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "as well. So I wouldn't be surprised if"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "the sort of backbone the foundation of"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "these automatic surveillance towers and"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "the way that they're operating that they"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "are operating on 5G and 6G networks. I"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "mean how detrimental is maybe just I"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "mean this is like a sidebar question"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "here but how detrimental are these"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "technologies to our health? Um and how"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "invasive are they 5G? And then I, you"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "know, I'm really worried about what's"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "going to happen with 6G. And I have"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "anecdotal evidence from different people"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "I've interviewed who described"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "being near some of these 5G areas where"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "they're just like it feels like waves of"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "energy sort of hitting their bodies."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "Some people are susceptible to it or"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "more susceptible to it. I think"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> other people say, \"Oh, you're just"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "crazy. You're just crazy.\" And people"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "say, \"I can't sleep at night. There's"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "increased anxiety associated with this.\""}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "So maybe you could just speak to that a"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "little bit."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": ">> Sure. So there's definitely are people"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "who uh who report electromagnetic"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "sensitivities and I think it does impact"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "all of us to some degree but it it does"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "appear that some people are even more"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "sensitive and you know I I'm friends"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "with some of these people. They walk"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "into a room if there's Wi-Fi on or if"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "everybody's got a cell phone in their"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "pocket you know they'll start having"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "headaches and have to kind of rush out"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "of the room. So there are some people"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "who are more sensitive but even to the"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "average person the major problem with"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "the expansion of 5G and 6G and so forth"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "compared to the previous technologies"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "just so everybody understands when we're"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "saying 5G it just means fifth generation"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "so if you go back to the early 90s that"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "was 1G the first generation of early"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "phones cares these sorts of things and"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "every four to five years they the cell"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "phone companies and the government"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "they'll kind of move to the next"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "frequencies um the next spectrum and so"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "you get 2G G 3G is about the time we"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "start getting smartphones, 4G, you start"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "getting video downloads and pictures and"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "that stuff. So, it's just continued to"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "advance and it will eventually get to 7"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "8G etc. because the technologies"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "continue to accelerate. The major"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "problem with the shift from 5G to 6G and"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "4G to 5G and and so forth is what I"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "mentioned before is that they have to"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "increase the number of towers. And so"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "when I was back in Houston and I was"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "trying to raise awareness to this"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "because Houston, a lot of people don't"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "know but Houston, Texas back in 2018,"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "October 2018, the CEO of Verizon, he"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "came to Houston and him and the mayor"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "and the other officials, they had this"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "big press conference and they announced"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "that Houston was having the first the"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "world's first 5G customer and they uh a"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "5G network into this couple's home and"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "they made a big deal about it and I was"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "there at the press conference and I"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "asked both of them, can you tell us, you"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "know, what are the"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "pleaded ignorance. But the fact is that"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "there have been been reputable and"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "credible studies going back to the '9s"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "and court cases uh where people have"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "tried to sue the telecoms related to"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "people who were in the early 90s and"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "didn't think cell phones were any, you"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "know, any problem. You know, those big"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "old phones people used to have in the"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "early days, if you were businessmen,"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "people were using those against their"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "head for, you know, hours and hours a"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "day because it was the latest"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "technology. And many of those folks did"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "get brain tumors and have since tried to"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "sue the cell phone companies. There's"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "one case in fact that has been going on"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "for 20 years now and it still has not uh"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "reached a verdict and the man who"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "originally sued he's now dead from the"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "brain tumor but his family is continuing"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "to fight that case. So there has long"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "been you know rumors and whispers about"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "cell phones causing harm and of course"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "big wireless the telecoms uh one of the"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "biggest lobbies of telecoms is called"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "the CTIA uh the cellular telephone"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "internet agency and they've been around"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "since the 90s. The more you look into"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "them, you start to see that big wireless"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "funds ma much of the major media. They"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "have partnerships with the New York"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "Times, with Washington Post, Verizon. Uh"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "you look at the FCC, Federal"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "Communications Commission, like for"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "example, Brendan Carr, who I know you've"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "talked about on the program, Brendan"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "Carr, Aget Pi, some of these officials,"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "they're all former lawyers for Verizon"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "Wireless for AT&T. So those are the"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "people that are supposed to oversee"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "these networks. And so you can go back"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "much like with the vaccine conversation"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "in and uh 1996 the telecommunications"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "act. They passed that telecommunications"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "act saying that local bodies, so your"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "town, your city council, your state"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "even, has no ability to make rules"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "related to health regulations. So you"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "can argue and say you don't like the way"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "it looks and they'll make it look like a"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "a tree for you or they'll turn it into,"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "you know, a fake cactus or something"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "like that. But you're not allowed to go"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "to the federal government, to your local"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "government. and believe me, I've tried"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "and say, \"I have health concerns.\" Even"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "if they believed you, the law, according"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "to 1996, as well as recent uh rules that"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "have been passed under the second Trump"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "administration essentially make it"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "illegal for anybody to even argue that"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "there are health impacts because as far"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "as they're concerned, that's just, you"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "know, that's garbage science. There's no"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "truth to it. But I encourage everybody"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "who wants to know more about this to"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "look into Dr. Martin Paul, PL L. I"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "interviewed him for my documentary, The"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "5G Trojan horse. And he is one of the"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "leading voices speaking out about the"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "impacts of 5G, as well as Bluetooth as"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "well as Wi-Fi. And so, you know, here at"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "my house, like I'm speaking to you right"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "now, I'm wired in. I'm not on Wi-Fi. We"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "unplug our thing, our, you know, our"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "networks every night before bed. I I do"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "take it pretty seriously, and it it can"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "mess with your sleep. And of course, as"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "probably many people hearing this know,"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "if you don't get proper sleep, your body"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "can't heal. Your, you know, your organs,"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "everything can't uh repair and get you"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "to an optimal state. Well, when you're"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "constantly being hit by, you know,"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "either your cell phone next to your head"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "trying to connect to the tower or the"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "Wi-Fi network running all night, that"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "does cause disturbances in your sleep."}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "And there's so many other areas. But"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "the, you know, the major concern is that"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "as they build these 5G and 6G networks,"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "they're going to need to install towers."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "In their own words, according to the"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "FCC, this is not my my uh claim. In"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "their own words, every two to 500 feet,"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "they have to install new towers or they"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "put them on existing towers, what are"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "called small cells, which are about the"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "size of a backpack. And uh they they're"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "claiming they're going to have to have"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "like 500,000 plus of them in the next"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "few years in order for these 5G networks"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "to operate. And and that's essentially,"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "Clayton, like that's something we've"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "never seen before. Like we're we're"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "going like just rapid exponential growth"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "in a way that human beings have never"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "been exposed to. So, it pretty much is a"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "live experiment."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> I have so much more I want to talk to"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "you about. I want to talk about not just"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "the border because to me that's just the"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "Trojan horse you mentioned, but really"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "what's going to happen into these other"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "communities and the the Americans that"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "live near these border towns like how"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "much of they how much of what they're"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "doing is being surveiled as well being"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "caught in the sort of drag net. What is"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "going to happen with this data? And I"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "want to go even more deeply into this"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "idea of these like little 5G networks"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "setting up all along the street and 6G"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "as well. So just uh we're going to take"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "a quick pause and we'll be right back"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "with our friend Derek Bros. But first,"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "what if the most essential asset in your"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "life is one you don't even own? I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "talking about silver and the industrial"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "world is running out of it right now."}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "The US government recently designated"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "silver as a critical mineral. Why?"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "because you can't build a solar panel,"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "electric vehicle, or a modern computer"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "without it. So, for five straight years,"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "we've used more silver than we could"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "mine. And unlike paper money, producers"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "can't just print more money to meet the"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "or print more silver to, you know, meet"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "this exploding demand. It just doesn't"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "exist. Experts see it hitting $150 an"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "ounce. Bank of America says it could"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "climb to $300 by the end of the year."}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "So, if the industries that power the"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "world need it, then you need to own it."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "There's this is a one-time offer. Our"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "friends at Lear Capital are doing"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "something that I've never seen before."}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "They're selling a 1oz silver American"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "Eagle. Okay, that's right here in my"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "hands. Below spot price. That's right,"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "below what silver is actually trading"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "for right now. So, here's what you need"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "to know. It's priced below spot price."}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "It's selling it at a loss to get silver"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "in your hands. limit one per person."}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "Okay, only you can only buy one per"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "person. They're also doing free shipping"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "and it's fully insured by Lear. Free"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "shipping, fully insured. This is a"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "24-hour offer only. So, and by the way,"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "this URL goes dark when the time is up."}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "And just so you understand how rare this"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "is, spot price doesn't include the cost"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "to mint the coin, to ship the coin, or"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "any dealer overhead. So, buying at spot"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "is already a deal. buying below spot"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "almost never happens. So, this isn't"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "some obscure bullion piece. The silver"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "eagle American the silver American eagle"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "is one of the most recognizable"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "sought-after coins in the world, backed"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "by the US government for weight and"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "purity. Um, and it's an asset that you"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "can hold, not like a promise of"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "something. Okay. So, Lear believes"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "anyone should be able to own some silver"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "and this is the lowest lift way to get"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "started right now. One coin below spot"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "price, shipped free, no risk. Just go to"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "redactedcoinoffer.com."}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "It's a 24-hour offer [music] and then"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "the URL will go dark after that. So,"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "it's 24 hours only."}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "redactedcoinoffer.com."}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "Go there right now."}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "All right, we're back with investigative"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "journalist Derek Bros. his new piece"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "about the Peter Tealf funded company um"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "that's putting up all of these"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "autonomous surveillance towers along the"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "US Mexico border. So you the plan"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "according to your reporting is roughly"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "2,300 towers by the year 2034."}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "I mean this it this sounds more like a"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "because you see the wide open wall, you"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "know, you've seen the videos being"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "shared on social media over the past few"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "days where there's just like wide open"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "border wall, people just could walk"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "through it. I think that maybe that's"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "part of the plan. So we're building like"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "an it seems like an AI surveillance wall"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "instead of an actual physical border"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "wall. Is that what Americans were"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "promised like a physical border wall?"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:12", "text": ">> That's absolutely part of the plan. And"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "this is sometimes it's been referred to"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "as a virtual wall, a biometric wall, a"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "digital wall. And this is an idea that"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "both Trump and Joe Biden were uh a part"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "of of expanding. You know, this goes"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "back to I think in my uh in my piece we"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "include from Trump back in his first"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "administration where he talks about"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "this. I mean, this is the thing is for"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "anybody who's paying attention to him,"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "he didn't make any of this secret. He"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "said, \"We're going to have a biometric"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "entry and exit system. We'll have it by"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "air, by land, by sea.\" And so he had"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "been saying this for a long time that"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "this was something that he was going to"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "do. And then during the Biden"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "administration, we saw many of these"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "same technologies and the same expansion"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "of using surveillance tools like facial"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "recognition cameras, automatic"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "surveillance towers, license plate"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "readers, etc. Instead of building a"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "physical wall, which is what, as you as"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "you point to, Clayton, I think many"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "people believed um was going to happen."}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "And instead there's just, you know, like"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "you said, there's these open spots where"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "clearly they're not trying that hard on"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "this whole physical wall front which"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "then creates sort of a problem reaction"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "solution, right? That people see that,"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "oh my god, look, the borders are wide"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "open. Why has nobody do anything about"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "this? Well, they proposed their"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "solution. Let's put surveillance towers"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "all along the border. Let's put uh more"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "tracking equipment and facial"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "recognition and these sorts of things."}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "Oh, by the way, these extend further"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "than just the border. we can actually"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "see you even if you're 20 miles from the"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "border or 50 miles and so forth. And I"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "think this is another example for me of"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "how this sort of baton of tyranny gets"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "passed back and forth between one part"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "and the other. Of course, lots of people"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "were concerned about the border during"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "uh Joe Biden administration. He was"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "helping expand the this type of"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "technology and then Trump comes back"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "into office promising to fix it. Well,"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "the way he's fixing it, as I mentioned"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "earlier, the big beautiful bill"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "allocated billions of dollars towards"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "this project, towards creating more"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "surveillance towers and towards doing, I"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "think it was $2.5 billion to to ICE for"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "AI systems and $30 billion for so-called"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "digital modernization efforts, which"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "includes biometric systems, AI. So, it's"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "it's all about creating that virtual"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "that digital uh wall. And I will say"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "even during Biden's administration,"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "there was, if I remember correctly, 20"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "or 40 different organizations that sent"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "a letter to the Biden administration."}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "Not that these letters make much of a"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "difference, but they sent a letter and"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "they said, you know, you're continuing,"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "they literally told him, you are"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "continuing Trump's policies. We are"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "calling on you to end these biometric"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "measures, end these sorts of things. It"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "didn't have any impact. Biden went"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "forward with it and then Trump picked up"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "the, you know, picked it up and"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "continued on with his big beautiful big"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "brother bill. And uh and yeah, so I mean"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "that to me is what the ultimate goal is."}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "And and I would think I'm sure we'll see"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "some comments there and sometimes I"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "think maybe people think it's silly and"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "kind of a jokey thing. They'll say, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "the the cameras or the walls aren't"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "meant to keep people out. They're meant"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "to keep us in.\" I don't think that's so"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "much of a joke. It seems like that feels"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "like maybe that is part of the purpose."}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "Not only to sure it might have the"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "impact of catching some illegal"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "immigrants trying to sneak through, but"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "it will also have the impact of"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "furthering the surveillance police state"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "that we know is being built in the"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "United States,"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": ">> right? Because how many how many"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "law-abiding Americans"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "are going to be caught up in this sort"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "of data detection drag net? I mean,"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "that's that's the concern. And so, this"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "is not just to me at the border. this is"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "going to start to spill further and"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "further and further into the United"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "States. They'll they'll pitch it as"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "we're able to stop all of these things"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "and now we're going to bring this sort"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "of like a pre-rime network into the"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "United States. So maybe you can talk"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "about some of the border towns near"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "these cameras. So it's not just a wall."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "It's not just a zone. It's it's I"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "imagine it would affect the the the"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "small towns that live right along this"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "border, right?"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:55", "text": ">> Absolutely. And you know, as somebody I"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "so I live in Mexico. I'm in central"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "Mexico right now speaking to you. But my"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "family is in Houston, Texas. And so I"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "cross back every 3 to four months or so"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "to visit family. And actually, while I"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "was doing this reporting, I found out"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "that the town that I cross through uh"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "which is called uh the Anzel Dwis port"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "and bridge. And on one side you have"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "Macallen uh far a couple other small"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "Texas towns. And then on the other side"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "you have Reosa on the Mexican side. And"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "I found out that uh that port that I've"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "been crossing, that bridge that I've"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "been crossing was one of the first uh"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "first uh crossings to start testing out"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "facial recognition cameras over the last"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "few years. And I had noticed when we"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "crossed through that there's a a sign,"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "you know, if you if you happen to catch"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "it that says if you're in lane one or"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "two, you're going to be subject to"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "facial recognition. if you want to avoid"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "it, you got to try to get all the way"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "over, you know, and and as anybody who's"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "crossed the borders know how busy they"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "can be and how difficult it can be to"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "try to cross over five lanes of busy"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "traffic and and also in their eyes,"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "maybe if you want to avoid the facial"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "recognition, that makes you more"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "suspicious to them, right? So, um that"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "was an interesting piece of the puzzle"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "to find out that I've been crossing"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "through one of these areas where they're"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "testing out this technology. But"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "absolutely lots of these smaller border"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "towns in Texas and even some bigger"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "places like Laredo um McAllen you have"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "all of those towns along there they are"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "being kind of subject to this and this"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "is this has been I think a subject of"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "concern for for years where folks in the"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "border towns anytime you're near a"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "border town in Texas or any other"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "Arizona, New Mexico, etc. California,"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "you're very likely to see a Customs and"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "Border Patrol agent driving around or"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "going out to get coffee or something."}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "And nothing against them, but the fact"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "of the matter is because these towns are"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "so close to the border, those agents"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "essentially have cart blanch to do"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "whatever they want. You know, they're"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "supposed to be a federal agency where"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "their only jurisdiction is on the"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "border. And when I think of the border,"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "I think about you're looking at the Rio"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "Grande and you're physically at the"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "border. But because of this constitution"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "free zone which has continued to expand"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "over the last decades, they they could"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "pretty much pull over anybody even"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "though you're even though you're 20 30"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "40 miles away from the border. And in"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "fact, when I cross into Texas, I'd go"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "through the US border, show them my"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "passport, and then we continue on. But"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "within about 30, 40 minutes away from"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "the border, there's another checkpoint,"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "which as far as I'm concerned is"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "unconstitutional. They have another"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "checkpoint. They're well away from the"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "border, but anybody who's driving"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "through there is subject to it and"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "you're pretty much, you know, there's no"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "way around it. The road takes you"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "straight up there. And it's not always a"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "huge hassle. They just say, \"Are you an"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "American citizen?\" and check your"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "passport. But again, that was a big part"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "of the reason for the Constitution in"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "the Fourth Amendment that we weren't"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "supposed to be stopped and have our"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "papers checked, you know, just as we're"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "traveling around. But the US government"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "argues that because of the national"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "security concerns related to the border"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "that that takes precedence over our"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "rights. And so if you live in a border"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "town, these are kind of normal things."}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "Being subject to surveillance and not"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "really knowing if you're being watched"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "because there's some, you know, virtual"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "wall nearby your home or potentially"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "being harassed or bothered by some"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "border patrol agent, some customs agent"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "because they think you might look"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "suspicious, things like that. So for"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "people who've been living in border"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "towns, this is probably pretty normal to"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "them at this point."}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": ">> What does Peter Teal say about this"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "technology?"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": ">> I mean, I think that he he thinks this"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "this is the wave of the future. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "this is why he's investing in and"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "companies like Andreel. This is another"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "one of his big pet projects. uh I think"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "from the beginning I I don't remember if"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "I put the the numbers in there but he"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "invested it through his other one of his"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "funds called the founders fund which is"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "one of his main vehicles to investing in"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "big companies like this and uh this is"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "just to me it's just a sign of like the"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "the Peter Teal influence I know we've"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "talked about this on past episodes I've"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "done um reports on the number of Peter"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "Teal affiliates and associates I call"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "them acolytes who are in the second"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "Trump administration and it's at this"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "point in the 20s of different people in"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "different admin different positions but"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "Then there's people like and there's"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "companies like Anderil who are not"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "officially part of the government but"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "they're contractors with the government."}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "And so I think this is exactly why Peter"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "Thiel funds these companies because he"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "knows that they're going to be the way"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "of the future that their AI technology"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "is going to be very powerful and now"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "that he happens to be, you know, his his"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "mentor JD Vance is vice president,"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "right? I mean that that just shows you"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "how far up his reach has gone. um Trump"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "and him don't have as much of a public"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "relationship as they used to, but I"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "would not doubt that behind the scenes"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "there's still a lot of communication"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "there. And uh and yeah, so I think this"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "is perfectly in line with what his"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "vision is, which is the technocratic"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "vision of using technology to"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "micromanage society and a big part of"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "that is AI that they want AI to be that"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "particularly their AI to be in charge"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "and to be running the show. And I kind"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "of touched on this briefly earlier, but"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "one of the other major concerns with"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "this type of technology, especially as I"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "mentioned that uh Andrew has recently, I"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "think it's called the YFQ"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "44A model. Really rolls off the tongue."}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "It's an autonomous drone known as the"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "Fury. Uh recently started being produced"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "in Ohio. And so, as I said, autonomous"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "drone, just like we have autonomous"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "surveillance towers, that means it's not"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "being operated by a human being. That"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "means it's being operated by artificial"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "intelligence. Now, they're not at the"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "point where that artificial"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "intelligence, as far as we know, is"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "being the one to decide, kill that"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "human, take, you know, kill that target."}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "There still is, as far as we're told, a"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "human being that has to come in and say,"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "okay, you know, shoot that missile or"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "whatever, what have you. But these"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "drones are autonomously flying around"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "and they are starting to roll off the"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "the factory lines in Ohio. And that is"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "coming directly from Andre. And of"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "course, Andre is just one of these"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "companies. But that is why Peter Teal,"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "uh, Mark Andre, a lot of these other"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "technocrats are investing these"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "companies because I think this serves"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "their purpose of trying to build a world"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "where um, you know, the voters don't"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "really have power, the politicians"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "really have less and less power, the"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "business class has less power, and"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "instead it is these technocrats, these"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "engineers, these so-called experts using"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "their technological tools to micromanage"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "society. And I think we can all kind of"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "understand how scary of a world it'll be"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "if these people get their wish to have"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "autonomous drones and autonomous towers"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "making life and death uh decisions."}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:06", "text": ">> Do you think the technocrats are really"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "who are running the United States of"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "America?"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:12", "text": ">> I definitely think they're they're a big"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "piece of the puzzle at the moment. I"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "mean, and they also happen to be strong"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "Zionists as we know Peter Teal, Alex"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "Karp, like these these folks, Palunteer"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "and others. They've put out open letters"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "just saying that, you know, Peter Thiel"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "said he doesn't think it's his job to"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "question the Israeli government. And so"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "I think that the technocrats are"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "partnered with the Zionists, uh, Cabal"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "as well as other different groups. You"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "know, in the pyramid of power, I my"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "documentary series and book, I really"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "tried to look at who are who are the"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "they that are at the top, right? And"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "from my perspective, I think it's a bit"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "more complex than people might want it"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "to be and just say, well, it's just this"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "one group. It's just the Jews or it's"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "just the Jesuits or it's just the"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "Masons. I think it's a it's a round"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "table of round tables at the top. And so"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "you have different groups with different"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "interests, much of which often align and"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "sometimes, you know, differ, but a"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "hundred times out of a hundred, they're"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "going to choose to align with each other"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "if it means to maintain their power over"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "the rest of us. And so I definitely"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "modern-day technocrats like the Elon"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "Musk and Peter Teals and Alex Karps and"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "so many others we could name who are"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "unelected who use their wealth, their"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "influence and their technology to shape"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "the world around us whether we want it"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "or not. And you could talk about Bill"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "Gates and geoengineering programs and"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "stuff like that. They are the modern-day"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "technocrats and the original technocrats"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "of the 1930s. That's what their dream"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "was. They said they were going to use"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "the machines which I think we would call"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "artificial intelligence today to"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "micromanage society. They talked about"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "things like energy credits. They talked"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "about being able to micromanage society"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "and allocate resources for specific"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "states and countries. And um I believe"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "we've talked about this as well"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "previously. You can look at the original"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "1930s technocrat uh technocratic map and"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "it describes the US, Canada, Mexico,"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "Venezuela, Greenland, all becoming one"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "massive land mass known as the North"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "American Technate. And it just so"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "happens to be that those are the places"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "that Trump has been talking a lot about"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "since he's come back into office about"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "wanting to take Greenland, maybe"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "purchasing Canada, going, you know, of"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "course into Venezuela and things like"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "that. So I really think that what we're"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "witnessing is just a sort of modern"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "revival or a continuence of the original"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "technocratic vision."}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:19", "text": ">> So stay right there, Derek, because I"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "want to talk more about the data"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "collection piece of this, where that"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "data is going, what modeling are they"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "putting together? 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If your revenues are at least"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "seven figures, then go to netswuite.ai/"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "AI/redacted."}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "Again, netswuite.ai/redacted."}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "It's built for every industry, ready for"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "every boardroom. netswuite.ai/redacted."}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "All right, we are back with"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "investigative journalist Derek Bros"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "talking about this Peter Tealf funded"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "company, Anderil, which is tripling the"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "number of autonomous surveillance towers"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "along the US Mexico border. but it"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "really is just a Trojan horse for what's"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "going to roll out around the rest of the"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "United States. Can you talk more about"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "these autonomous drones? So, I I've seen"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "videos of these things sort of landing"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "on top of these different towers. They"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "sort of land, recharge, do what they're"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "going to do, then take off."}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "You know, are there human beings or is"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "it purely AI that's running these drone"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "systems? And what sort of data are they"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "capturing? And then is that data then"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "being stored I imagine through some data"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "center some sort of AWSbacked Palunteer"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "data center and some of my own reporting"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "a few weeks ago speaking to sources at"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "Amazon who told me that you know AWS of"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "course is providing the back-end"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "infrastructure for Palunteer um and you"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "know and a lot of this uh Palunteer"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "buildout data center stuff um they have"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "their own modeling on top but really all"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "of this data is being captured and uh"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "they need that's why this massive"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "expansion is happening they need places"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "to store it whether video files or"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "others. Maybe you can just talk a little"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "bit more about these drones. What do"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "they look like? Have Americans already"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "seen them flying over their homes? What"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "sort of things are they capturing? It's"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "it's terrifying."}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": ">> Yeah, there's definitely, I think, these"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "uh types of autonomous drones already"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "over American cities. They are not, I"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "would say, making the calls in terms of"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "um, you know, launching missiles just"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "yet, at least not over American skies,"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "but they definitely are operating have"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "been operating that way in in the Middle"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "East. Now, as far as we know, uh, there"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "is still a kind of protocol where a"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "human being, you know, let's say a"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "general or something has to come in and"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "make the final call in those situations"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "and say, okay, let's go ahead and launch"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "that missile from this predator drone."}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "But increasingly they are being u run"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "purely on AI. And this is kind of the"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "dream is like that if you don't have to"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "pay an AI a human being to sit there and"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "play with the joystick and potentially"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "make mistakes, if you just have an AI"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "that can run 24/7 365, well that's one"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "less person you have to pay. And they"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "believe they will be eventually uh more"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "precise than human beings, right? And in"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "some ways, I think this is going to be"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "proposed as a solution to the outcry"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "we've witnessed over the years where"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "people have said, \"Well, look at this"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "drone strike. It killed some innocent"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "civilians.\" Or, \"Look at this missile,"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "for example, with the Iranian school"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "girls.\" Right? Well, those are the sort"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "of perfect test cases where the"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "government, the military could come in"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "and say, \"Look, we admit, we acknowledge"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "we've made some mistakes, but this AI is"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "testing at 99.9%, you know, accuracy,"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "which none of them are. Um, and so we're"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "going to hand over the job to these art"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "these autonomous drones. There will"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "still be a human being, you know,"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "watching and witnessing whatever, maybe"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "making the final call. But, uh, I think"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "this is this is really a dangerous world"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "we're going into. And if people want to"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "know what these drones look like, at"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "least one of the ones, the ones I"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "mentioned with Andreil, look up Andre,"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "look up the Fury. I mean, they are not"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "very big. Uh, if you've seen a Predator"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "drone, which is kind of more long and"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "cylinder, this one is kind of more of a"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "triangular shape. And there's a few"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "different designs that they have out"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "there. Um, I don't think they are flying"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "over American cities just yet. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "that's as far as what they're publicly"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "admitting, right? Who knows what might"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "be a bit more covert or under the table,"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "but uh, that is definitely the dream for"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "them that that they say that these"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "drones are going to be able to fly over"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "American cities to catch criminals, to"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "monitor for illegal activity. And I"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "should say that years ago, I did"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "reporting on some of these planes, which"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "are not completely autonomous at the"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "moment, but they were being remotely"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "controlled. And these planes were uh"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "called DRT, which is basically a cell"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "site simulator, which is a device that"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "can gather up all the cell phone data"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "from anybody within range. And so years"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "ago when I started investigating that"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "and how the police and different law"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "enforcement agencies were using these"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "cells site simulators, which are"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "sometimes known as stingrays, I learned"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "about the the ones they have in planes"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "that they already had planes flying over"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "American cities that were being remotely"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "controlled. And these planes were"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "outfitted with a Stingray, but in the"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "planes they call them DRTs and they were"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "a bit bigger and basically they could"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "fly over American cities and just fly"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "these patterns and you could track them"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "using you know flight tracking websites."}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "People were able to locate and say this"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "is a remote controlled plane. It's not"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "flying you know from an airport. It's"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "just flying back and forth all day just"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "running these different um these"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "different pathways and in the process"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "they're scooping up all kinds of datas."}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "Now, the the police and the military may"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "claim that, well, these are uh these are"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "classified operations. We can't tell you"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "what they're doing, but you better"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "believe that in the process, they're"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "scooping up all kinds of data. And as"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "you asked, where does that data go?"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "Whether it's automatic surveillance"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "towers, whether it's remote drones, or"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "even human control drones, that data is"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "is either going to go to some database"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "that the police or the law enforcement"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "control. But as we talked about"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "previously in our conversation about"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "data centers, the other missing piece"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "that a lot of people I don't think are"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:15", "text": "fully grasping yet is that the reason"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "the data centers are rapidly expanding"}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "is because of the rapid expansion of"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "data collection related to surveillance"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:23", "text": "tools. So you've got flock cameras, you"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "got facial recognition, you got"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "stingrays, you've got automatic"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "surveillance towers, uh you've got just"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "basic internet data collection and cell"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "phone data collection. All these things"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "combined to be a whole bunch of data"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "that needs to be stored somewhere and it"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "is going to these data centers. These"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "data centers where then that data is"}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "analyzed and um and puts out reports by"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "artificial intelligence that goes out to"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "say a law enforcement agency or to a"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "private company. Some of it may be"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "innocuous and they're just trying to"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "sell you more ads because they notice"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "you drive the same, you know, the same"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "pathway every day to work and they"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "notice they could sell you an ad for the"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "local McDonald's that's on your way or"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "something like that. But in the worst"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "case scenario, it is information that's"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "being gathered about us being collected"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "and stored and then analyzed. And I"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "think the big concern that I know my"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "colleague Whitney Webb and others have"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "warned about for years is that we end up"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "in a minority report type future where"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "something you've done in the past could"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "then later be used against you in the"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "future. Right? So maybe you're doing"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "something now that isn't illegal. you're"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "saying something that's not illegal or"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "not hate speech. But then in the future"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "after that data has been collected and"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "then analyzed by some autonomous AI"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "later on they come back and say hey well"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "10 years ago we have information here"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "data stored that shows that you did X Y"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "and Z and that is now a crime so we're"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "going to hold that against you. It might"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "sound crazy to some people to imagine"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "that but I don't think we're that far"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "off from that. Well, you have different"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "organizations like the Frontier um the"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "Electronic Frontier Foundation, which as"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "you write in your piece, says this is"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "like a dumpster fire of human rights,"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "like this data collection. But other"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "groups as well, um civil liberties"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "groups have of course have come out and"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "said this is a violation of civil"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "liberties. Others are saying this is"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "definitely even members of Congress"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "saying this is a violation of the fourth"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "amendment or fourth amendment rights,"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "illegal search and seizure, unreasonable"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "searches. So, I mean, I'm not asking you"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "to be a constitutional attorney, but do"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "we have any rights? Are we able to fight"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "back on a large scale and sue these"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "people out of existence, whether it's"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "Flock or these other companies who are"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "gathering up my personal data based on"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "my movements? Oh, Clayton likes to go"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "get a coffee at this place on a regular"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "basis, and he travels this way, and now"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "we have all of this data that we're"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "collecting, and he didn't"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "He didn't allow us to collect this data."}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "It just he happens to be on a public"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "street."}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:49", "text": ">> Yeah, this is concerning to me. This is"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "I think one of the You don't have to be"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "a constitutional attorney, I'd say, to"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "understand how dangerous this is"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "getting. I did a recent report um on the"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "border as well related to a separate"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "issue, but it's it's uh it's related"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "here and that is about the rights or"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "lack of rights we as Americans have when"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "it comes to our cell phones. And so"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "there was another court case that"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "confirmed that according to the the"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "government and to the courts, what they"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "believe is that the Border Patrol agents"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "have a right to go through your phone uh"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "without a warrant. They said that this"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "is considered to be routine and"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "reasonable and protected under the"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "Fourth Amendment. Uh the ruling"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "specifically said that if they want to"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "do what's called a forensic search,"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "which is where they take your phone,"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "let's say you're flying in from across"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "the border or from another country or"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "you're driving across and for whatever"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "reason they suspect you or they want to"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "bother you, they say, \"We need to go"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "through your phone.\" Now, most people"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "would probably think, \"Hey, hey, Fourth"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "Amendment Constitution, you don't have a"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "warrant.\" It doesn't matter. They're"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "going to sit there and laugh in your"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "face and say, \"We're the feds. We're the"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "Border Patrol. We're, you know, we have"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "this this right. Give me your phone or"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "we'll basically take it from you.\" Now,"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "the the courts have ruled that if they"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "do what's called a forensic search,"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "where they take your phone and they"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "basically connect it to this device that"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "then downloads everything on your uh"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "your phone, that they need a warrant for"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "that. But if they're just doing a manual"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "search, which means taking your phone"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:09", "text": "and holding you and detaining you until"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "you give them your password and then let"}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "them look through your phone,"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "routine and reasonable and thus allowed"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "under the Fourth Amendment. So the the"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "reality is that Americans increasingly"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "have less and less rights as it relates"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "to the border because again the"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "government will argue that national"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "security concerns and the need to secure"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "the border trump your uh fourth"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "amendment and your constitutional"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "rights."}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "I"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:37", "text": ">> I mean they're just stripping away our"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "rights left, you know, left, right, and"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "center. And we're sort of blindly"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "walking like sheep into the slaughter, I"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "think, right now. Um, you know, I was"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "struck by all of the the folks from"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "England that came over for the World Cup"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "in the United States, and they were"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "posting videos about they can't believe,"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "oh my gosh, we and, you know, we in the"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "UK, we've become so soft. They took away"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "our guns. They've taken away our rights."}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "Like, these Americans are strong. like"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "eh we're we're we're very quickly"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "slipping and losing all of that. Um and"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "we're just allowing it. I mean, do you"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "think I mean what we're seeing right now"}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "at the border is really"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "uh sort of just the test bed. It's like"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "the petri dish."}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:25", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:27", "text": ">> For this?"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:30", "text": ">> Absolutely. I mean, I think we're we're"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "one false flag event away from them"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "expanding this to the entire United"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "States. Right now it's 100 miles uh and"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "and just I encourage anybody in fact in"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "my article I include a little map that"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "came from the ACLU where they show what"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "a 100 miles within the border looks like"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "and you can see the major cities that"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "includes Houston, Baton Rouge that"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "includes uh lots of includes LA, San"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "Diego, San Francisco, Santa Cruz,"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "Portland, Boston, New York City, Philly,"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "Baltimore, Washington DC, Chicago. All"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "of those major cities are within that"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "100 mile constitution free zone because"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "it's not just the Mexican border as I"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "said it's from the coast. It's from the"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "Canadian border. So when you look at"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "that red line tracing around there and"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "even in Alaska includes Anchorage down"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "to Miami, that includes all of those"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "major American cities. So if something"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "was to happen, whether real or staged,"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "and that they said it happened because"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "somebody snuck in through the border or"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "something else, then I would not doubt"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "there would be politicians, you know, in"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "a race to see who could call for erasing"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "the Constitution, not only within that"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "100 mile zone, but deep into the"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "heartland of America. And uh it it"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "wouldn't take much for them to strip"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "that away. And and as we know very well,"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "Clayton, that fear is a powerful"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "motivator. And if they can scare the"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "crap out of people and to them thinking"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "that uh well terrorists are out to get"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "them or domestic terrorists or whatever"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "they want to call it, then maybe they"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "blame it on the Iranians probably, you"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "know, that then there would be people"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "who would probably be supportive of this"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "just like we saw after 911. And I want"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "to believe as we approach the 25th"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "anniversary of 9/11 that more and more"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "people have woken up to this agenda and"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "that these threats don't work as well as"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "they they used to. And I think partially"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "that's true. But again, I do think fear"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "is a powerful motivator. And with the"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "right false flag event or staged event,"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "they could they could get enough"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "Americans demanding that something be"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "done. Something must be done. And yes,"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "if that means I must give up some of my"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "freedoms in order to feel safe again,"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "then please do it by all means. Do we"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "have any rights to be able to reach out"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "to these companies and say, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "whatever data you have collected on me,"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "I want it all deleted.\""}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "Well, this is one of the other major"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "problems with this uh outsourcing of"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "what used to be government uh tasks for"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "example surveillance and the governments"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "protecting the border and things like"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "that is that the more they are"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "outsourcing these tasks to private"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "companies so-called private companies I"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "say so-called because as you know many"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "of them like Palunteer they received"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "their seed funding from the CIA's uh"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "venture capital firm Inqutel and they"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "also are getting subsidies and things"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "like that so it's kind of hard to say"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "they're totally private it. But the more"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "they outsource to these firms, that"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "means it becomes difficult for the"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "average person to get that data. Because"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "if this was just purely being done,"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "let's say that these surveillance towers"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "were being uh produced, created, and ran"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "by border patrol and by their own AI"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "software, that means that you and I"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "could file FOYA, we could file open"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "records requests and say, you know, give"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "us more details. And instead since this"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "is a private company that is running the"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "AI that is running these uh these"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "programs it becomes a lot more difficult"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "and almost impossible because you can't"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "foyer a private company you can't foyer"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "Palanteer you can't foyer Andrew so I"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "think that's another reason that we're"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "seeing this kind of this merger of the"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "public and the the private so that it"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "becomes more and more difficult for"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "people like us and journalists and"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "activists to find out what's exactly"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "happening."}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "Well, we can't foyer them, but maybe we"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "can just sue them. Some massive class"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "action lawsuit. Of course, you know, how"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "far does that go? They have uh"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:58", "text": ">> Well, if there's some some whistleblower"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "out there, whistleblower out there that"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "wants to reveal and let us know, then"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "that could open the door because if we"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "were able to find out, hey, here's all"}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "the ways that they've been using and"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "abusing your data. Yeah, sure enough,"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "that could open up to a class action"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "lawsuit. So, you know, shout out to"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "anybody working in Andrew with the"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "conscience."}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:15", "text": ">> Yeah, please reach out to Derek. You"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "know where to find him. American"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "Vagabond. You can find Derek on Twitter"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "easily on X. You can find us here at"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "Redacted pretty easily. So any"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "whistleblowers who want to come forward,"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "we'd love to talk with you about that."}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "Um, I want to take a quick pause and"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "then get you out of here on this next"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "segment, but I do want to talk about the"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "Trojan horse of these items that are"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "sort of the internet of things that are"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "in our house. And I did touch on it"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:39", "text": "earlier, but I wanted to follow up on"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "this 5G and then 6G technology and these"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "little towers that I believe are going"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "to be like in all of our houses. um you"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "[clears throat] know not just these"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "massive towers but these small little"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "sort of femto cells that'll be set up"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "inside of our houses. I want to talk"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "about that in a second. Um so we'll just"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "take a quick pause here. So we'll get"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "back to the interview here in just a"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "moment. But first I wanted to share"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "something with you. You know you've"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:03", "text": "heard us report that the dollar is"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "losing value daily. Our national debt is"}, {"start": "00:49:03", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "out of control. And you can bet no one"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "in Washington or Wall Street is worrying"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "about your finances or how you're going"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "to be able to afford retirement. That's"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "why you and only you need to become"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "financially independent separate from"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "the government. It's the only way to"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "break free from this system. Now, if"}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "you're wondering how, well, there is a"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "method that's been proven time and time"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "again, [music] and that's real estate."}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "It's created more investment security"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:33", "text": "than any other investment type in"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "history. It's exactly how Natalie and I"}, {"start": "00:49:33", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "broke free as well many years ago. We"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "started investing, buying up distressed"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "property, and renovating it. getting it"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "back up to par, you know, putting in"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "brand new flooring and windows and roof"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "and carpet and everything, helping to"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "fix up neighborhoods in that way. And"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "then that way I wasn't dependent on a"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "boss or the stock market or whatever"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "nonsense that Washington triggers. You"}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "can do the very same thing. Now, your"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "path is going to look totally different"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:03", "text": "from ours. And figuring out your next"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:05", "text": "steps can be tricky, especially if"}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "you're just getting started, because no"}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "doubt the banks would love to keep you"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "in this like perpetual state of high"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "debt, highinterest credit cards. So,"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "here's what we did. We built a 60-second"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "quiz that shows you exactly where you"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "stand as an investor, and it gives you a"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "simple, clear next step for moving"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "forward. Maybe you're really advanced."}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "Great. We'll learn that in the 60-cond"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "quiz. Maybe you're just beginning,"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "doesn't matter."}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:28", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:31", "text": ">> So, stop wishing that you had a"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "portfolio of performing assets. Take"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "action today. Start building one right"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "now. Go to redacted.inc/quiz."}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "That's redacted."}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "And take this quiz. It's only 60 seconds"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "while you're watching and watching our"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "interview right here. You could do it"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "right now. redacted."}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "Quiz. All right, we're back with"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "investigative journalist Derek Bros. I"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "want to talk to you about the internet"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "of things. Everyone gets really excited"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "about the launch of the new HomePods,"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "you know, that Apple's rolling out in"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "the next few weeks with some new AI"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:03", "text": "features. They're going to have the new"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "chips inside. So, that they're more"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "powerful. They'll be able to handle"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "the new Apple intelligence and all of"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:13", "text": "that. Then the new Alexa devices, the"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "Amazon devices out there. Everything is"}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "connected to the internet. Um, I mean,"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:21", "text": "how invasive do people people joke all"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "the time? Well, like, oh, we're we're"}, {"start": "00:51:21", "end": "00:51:25", "text": "just having a conversation in our home."}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "and then they open their phone to go to"}, {"start": "00:51:25", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "Instagram or something and then suddenly"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "there's an ad there for the mattress"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "that they were just they were just"}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "talking about with their wife in their"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "house. Like I know it sounds like a"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "conspiracy theory but I think these"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:40", "text": "things are so all incredibly pervasive"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "in our lives and it's really really"}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "troubling and I think it's only about to"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "get worse."}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:46", "text": ">> Absolutely. I hadn't even heard about"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "these Apple HomePods you're talking"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "about but it's not surprising to me. Um,"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "yeah, I think that this is, you know,"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "personally for me, you know, everybody"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "makes their own choices, but I don't"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "have any of those devices in my home."}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "And, um, I was having a conversation"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "with a friend recently on whether or not"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "there should be some sort of, uh, you"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "know, full disclosure when you walk into"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "somebody's house because you might not"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "realize, oh, by the way, I have an Alexa"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "listening to you right now. I've got the"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "Nest over there and I've got the smart"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "fridge. Because yes, the truth of the"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "matter is all those devices are"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "listening. People think that when they"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "say the the magic word Alexa or whatever"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "else that that's when it turns on and"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "starts listening. But of course, in"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "order to hear you say that, it needs to"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "be listening at all times. And we can go"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "back to 2017, 2018 when there was first"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "uh leaked documents out showing that the"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "Samsung smart TVs also had microphones"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "that were listening all the time. I"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "think they all have them now at this"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "point. So you should probably assume"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "that any smart device whether that's a"}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "toaster, a fridge, a TV or any of these"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "digital assistants that they are"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "listening uh full-time. And it is"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:50", "text": "definitely no longer a conspiracy that"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "when you talk about something in what"}, {"start": "00:52:50", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "you think is private with your wife,"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "your husband, your friends and you go to"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "your social media and see an ad for"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "that, it is because yes, your phone is"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "listening, your um other devices are"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "listening and and I think that's"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "something that more and more people need"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "to be concerned about. and also maybe"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "not just blindly accept because in many"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "ways what I realized over the years is"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "we have these different things that"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "we're talking about today automatic"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "surveillance towers facial recognition"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "that are being rolled out by the"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "government by these big tech companies"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "and that is a concern and at the same"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "time many of us are sort of acquiescing"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:25", "text": "and voluntarily walking pretty swiftly"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "right into this surveillance state by"}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "choosing to put these devices into our"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "homes. you know, nobody's putting a gun"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "to your head and saying, \"Go buy the"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "latest, you know, smart thing and smart"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:35", "text": "home device.\" Many people out there,"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "probably people even listening to this"}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "show are going out there and putting"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "those devices in their homes and and I"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "understand there's the convenience."}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "There's certain um you know, there's"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "certain benefits to this, like with the"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "Ring doorbell cameras, somebody steals a"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "package on your home, maybe you get to"}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:51", "text": "see it. But the reality is that we are"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "kind of helping create the surveillance"}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "state that many of us are concerned"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "about. Not only in our own homes, but"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "when it comes to the Ring doorbell"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "camera, that's not just facing your"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "that's not just your front door. It's"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "also facing across the street to your"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "neighbor, whoever else might be there."}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "Again, there's times when they can prove"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:07", "text": "to be useful. But there's also uh"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "programs that the police departments are"}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "starting to now access those Ring"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "doorbell cameras. Uh Amazon and other"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "companies are also trying to get into"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "this this game. So the more that we"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "embrace these things, the more we are"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "voluntarily creating that surveillance"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "state. And it often"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "1984 how in the book the main character"}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "he talked about how they had telescreens"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "on the wall and this was just like a"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "basically a flat screen TV on the wall."}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "And he described how you never knew if"}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "it was listening or watching. So you"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "just had to live at all times like it"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "was watching and listening you at all"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "times. Well, they never describe how"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "those telescreens got there. Maybe we"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "sort of assumed they were put there by"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "big brother, but maybe not. Maybe people"}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "voluntarily put them in their homes and"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "then eventually they just became the"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "norm and then as you said, you never"}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "knew when they were listening. And you"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "know the other just one final point on"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:56", "text": "this that I think is perhaps the next"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:59", "text": "level of these kinds of invasive"}, {"start": "00:54:56", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "measures. There are people like myself"}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "who have theories there theories right"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "now because we haven't confirmed them"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "that there probably exists some type of"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:09", "text": "technology. I don't I'm not smart enough"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:11", "text": "to know what the mechanism would be, but"}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "some type of technology that is also"}, {"start": "00:55:11", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "able to, as crazy as it sounds, detect"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "our thoughts because I'm sure I'm not"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "the only one that has said like, not"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "only have I not said anything out loud,"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "you maybe you had a thought or maybe you"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:25", "text": "started to type something and then a"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "moment later the same thing happens. It"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "pops up in an ad somewhere and it's not"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "even something you said out loud. I've"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:31", "text": "talked to many people who've said"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "they've had similar experiences that"}, {"start": "00:55:31", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "they were just thinking about something."}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "they were thinking about a product they"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "might be interested or thinking about,"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "you know, some topic and then when they"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "got on their social media, they saw ads"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:42", "text": "about that. I can't prove that that"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "exists. I can't prove that we're there,"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:46", "text": "but I won't be surprised if in the next"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "few years the next Edward Snowden comes"}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "out and reveals that that's been"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:51", "text": "happening for a long time as well."}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:52", "text": ">> Yeah, for sure. I mean, and I think with"}, {"start": "00:55:51", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "AI, you're going to have these like"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "predictive ads that are going to be"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "based on your data that they've been"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "collecting tailored to you specifically"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "that will speak to an experience you've"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "had in your life and it'll know about"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "you. It's not even going to be just a"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "general blanket ad anymore like buy"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "Doritos. It's going to be,"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:12", "text": ">> you know, you know, hey Clayton,"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "remember that time and you know when you"}, {"start": "00:56:12", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "were 16 years old and your friends you"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "snuck out and you grabbed a bag of"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "Doritos? Like how did you remember that"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "story? you know, like because you said"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "it somewhere or it's been picked up in"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "some sort of a data collection or you"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "wrote about it in a blog post. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "who knows where they're going to pull"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "this information from, but you bring up"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "the Ring doorbell. I mean, before we let"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "you go, I just want to I do want to talk"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "about this 5G thing, but the Ring"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:38", "text": "doorbell thing is interesting because"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "you remember during the Super Bowl,"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "there was that ad Jamie Simonoff, the uh"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "the founder of Ring Doorbell, came out."}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "He said, you know, if you lose your pet,"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:49", "text": "right? And it was like, we're going to"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:52", "text": "turn your Ring doorbells into like an a"}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:53", "text": "basically a a blanket,"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "you know, protection for your"}, {"start": "00:56:53", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "neighborhood. Like if you know, we lost"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "our dog. Like, and they they sort of"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "couched it as"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:04", "text": ">> like, you know,"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "if you lose your dog, well, now the"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "neighborhood, everyone has a watchful"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "eye with your Ring doorbells. We'll be"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "able to save your dog. You know, that"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "was how they sort of pitched it."}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:16", "text": "Um, and I I know Jamie personally, um,"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:18", "text": "friends with him going back many, many"}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "years, the founder of Ring before it was"}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:22", "text": "sold to Amazon. So,"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "I think his intentions are probably"}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "good. I don't think he intends to create"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "like this nationwide surveillance"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "network, but I don't know. I haven't"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "asked them that question, but that seems"}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "to be what's being created here, like a"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "private national video surveillance"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "network with all these doorbells that we"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "I think we'd be ignorant to think at"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "[music] this point that the government"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "doesn't have access to it. I mean, you"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "mentioned police being able to access"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "it, but Amazon Web Services provides the"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "back-end infrastructure for the CIA."}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "I spoke to a source at Amazon just a few"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "weeks ago who's explaining to me how"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "they build out these data centers for"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "the CIA and Amazon specifically builds"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "it out and they turn the keys over to"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "them like halfway through the process"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "and so so and Palanteer too all built on"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "AWS. So if Amazon owns Ring,"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:13", "text": ">> they have this cozy relationship with"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "the CIA."}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "It's just hard for me to believe that"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:17", "text": "the government doesn't have access to"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "everyone's doorbells in the United"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "States at this point."}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:21", "text": ">> I I think you're on the right track,"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:23", "text": "Clayton. And I would also mention that"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:25", "text": "the uh that Amazon came up with their"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:27", "text": "own facial recognition software years"}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "ago. It's called recognition but spelled"}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "with a K if you want anybody wants to"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:32", "text": "look that up. And they haven't they"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:34", "text": "haven't, as far as we know, outfitted"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "Ring with recognition yet. But I don't"}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "think we're too far away from Amazon"}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "saying, \"Hey, by the way, we're now"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:41", "text": "going to, you know, package Ring with"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "this recognition software so we can more"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "easily detect criminals and if somebody"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "steals your dog or steals your package,"}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "etc.\" And you're also correct that they"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "are partnering with uh different"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "government agencies. The next report"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "that I'm working on is kind of a"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "two-part a second part to this"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "surveillance towers one is about this"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "facial recognition database that the"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "government has that I hadn't heard of"}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "till recently. It's called HART HR T."}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "And as part of that it's backed by"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "Amazon. It's it's exactly what you're"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:10", "text": "describing like they're using um Amazon"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "Web Services to operate it. So these big"}, {"start": "00:59:10", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "tech companies, Amazon, Meta, you know,"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "Palunteer, all the ones we've named,"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "they're a big [clears throat] part of"}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "rolling out this this surveillance"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "system. And right now, some police"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "departments are saying it's a voluntary"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "system where if you want to, you can"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "choose to give the police department"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "access to your Ring doorbell cameras in"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "case they, you know, can use it for"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "something useful. But I wouldn't be"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:32", "text": "surprised if in the long term those"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "things, whether they become mandatory or"}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "as you said, they already sort of have"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "access without us knowing about it. In"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "many ways again we are creating the own"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "our own surveillance state by choosing"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "to participate in these things."}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:49", "text": ">> Back in I would say yeah 2016 I speaking"}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "with an executive at a major telecom"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:53", "text": "company and he just sort of started"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "spilling the beans to me. There was no"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "alcohol involved, but he was just"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "telling me that, hey, um, forget Wi-Fi,"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "like in the future, most of the homes,"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "cuz he would do these buildouts all"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "across the country. And he said, you"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "know, people are going to basically not"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "really have Wi-Fi in their homes"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "anymore. It's going to be cellular and"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "you're going to start to see, he said,"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "next time you're walking down the"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "street, and this was like 2016, 2017."}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "See, next time you're walking down the"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "street, whether it's in Morristown, New"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "Jersey, or wherever, just look up on the"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "poles and you'll see small little"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:29", "text": "cellular"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "nodules, basically. So, mini cell towers"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "that will be able to provide super fast"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "cellular 5G connectivity. And this is"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:39", "text": "when 5G was just starting to kind of"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "start rolling. And so, these businesses"}, {"start": "01:00:39", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "will just have 5G. There won't be Wi-Fi."}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "you won't have to worry about going in"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "and getting a Wi-Fi password anymore."}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "He's like, \"This will this will seem so"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "archaic in a few years. Trust me, this"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "is what's coming.\" And pretty much"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "everyone in their own homes will have"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:57", "text": "these sort of mini 5G or 6G towers,"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "little femto cells. I don't know if"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "that's how we describe them, but so you"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:05", "text": "will not have like, you know, you won't"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "get ver uh Comcast Wi-Fi anymore. You'll"}, {"start": "01:01:05", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "just have AT&T cellular 6G in your home."}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "And so you'll come home from work, you"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:14", "text": "won't have to switch it over to your"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "Wi-Fi network. It'll just be ubiquitous"}, {"start": "01:01:14", "end": "01:01:18", "text": "from the drive home. There will not be a"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "switchover process anymore. It'll all be"}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "like this cellular um technology. I'm"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:27", "text": "just curious your thoughts on what"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "happens next, this move from 5G to 6G."}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "And do you think there's any truth to"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:33", "text": ">> I absolutely think that there's truth to"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "that. I think that that's one of the"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "ways they're going to um you know pacify"}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "a lot of the people who have concerns"}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "whether they're related to to"}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:44", "text": "surveillance or health concerns with 5G"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:46", "text": "and EMFs more broadly because everybody"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "wants Wi-Fi, right? People want to just"}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "have access to the internet everywhere"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "you go. And like you said, how much more"}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:52", "text": "convenient would it be if you didn't"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "have to switch from network to network"}, {"start": "01:01:52", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "and it was just you were always plugged"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "in, you were always on. In many ways,"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "people people would love that. You know,"}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "a lot of people I've heard some people"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "say Wi-Fi is basically a human right at"}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "this point. people expect it everywhere"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "they go especially in first world"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:08", "text": "countries and uh and yeah what you"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "described there in terms of having these"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "small cells on all the towers and"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "eventually maybe in people's homes is"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:16", "text": "100% what is happening and what has been"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "happening as I mentioned back in Houston"}, {"start": "01:02:16", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "when I first started to pay attention to"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "this I was going to Houston city council"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:25", "text": "for dozens of times between 2018 2019"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "2020 trying to bring them information"}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "about all these concerns I was talking"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "with local residents who were having"}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "these small cells attached to towers"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:35", "text": "hours within 200 feet of their home or"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "within 200 feet of a children's school"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "or with 200 feet of a church and they"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "were getting ignored and denied and"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:45", "text": "turned down because the telecoms big"}, {"start": "01:02:43", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "wireless they have a huge influential"}, {"start": "01:02:45", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "lobby that is often overlooked and not"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "to mention the same technology that that"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "5G and 6G operate on uh millimeter waves"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:58", "text": "it that same spectrum can be used as a"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:03:00", "text": "mil as a a military weapon like for"}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "crowd control people are familiar maybe"}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:04", "text": "with the LRAD sound cannons, you know,"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:06", "text": "where they [clears throat] turn on this"}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "frequency and it it can bust your"}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "eardrums if you don't run away"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "immediately. A lot of the same"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "technology can be used in different"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "ways. And so there are others who have"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "concerns that once these networks are"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "installed, sure, it'll provide free"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "Wi-Fi and, you know, connected all the"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:22", "text": "time, but that these networks can also"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:24", "text": "be used in other very detrimental ways,"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:26", "text": "not to mention the surveillance and the,"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "you know, the health concerns."}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:30", "text": ">> Oh, I know. It's it's so it's so crazy."}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:32", "text": "It's like thinking about where we can"}, {"start": "01:03:30", "end": "01:03:34", "text": "escape from 6G technology as it rolls"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "out, you know, I don't know, up in the"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:37", "text": "mountains of Alaska or something like"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "that at this point. I'm not really sure,"}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:42", "text": "but it's going to be ubiquitous. Um, and"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "it's terrifying. Um, well, thanks to"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:47", "text": "your incredible reporting, Derek, for"}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "being on top of this and trying to, you"}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:50", "text": "know, trying to educate all of us about"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "where this is headed. I think we need to"}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "all stand up right now because uh we're"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:59", "text": "slowly eroding our rights and we're just"}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:04:01", "text": "handing them over to this technocracy"}, {"start": "01:03:59", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "and we're just we're giving away our"}, {"start": "01:04:01", "end": "01:04:04", "text": "basic freedoms and we're going to wake"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "up one day and realize that it's just"}, {"start": "01:04:04", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "too far gone and there'll be really no"}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:12", "text": "way back from it because we've just"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "slowly slowly eroded it all under the"}, {"start": "01:04:12", "end": "01:04:16", "text": "guise of safety and convenience. And"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:19", "text": "it's it's great that you'll have your"}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "Ring doorbell that can find Fluffy, you"}, {"start": "01:04:19", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "know, if he gets out and the whole"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "neighborhood can, you know, snap to"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "attention. And but, you know, it's we're"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "giving up these we're giving up our"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:31", "text": "personal liberties at the at the hands"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:33", "text": "of these terrible tools, I believe. Um,"}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:35", "text": "and the thing is like I'm a I'm not a"}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "lite, you know. I I do appreciate"}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "technology, you know, and uh so I I I'm"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:42", "text": "sort of torn about most of this stuff,"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:43", "text": "you know. It's really"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:44", "text": ">> it's [cough]"}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "[clears throat] the convenience, the"}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "excitingness, you know, exciting nature"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:50", "text": "of it, but it's like I always have to"}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "pull myself back now and ask like what's"}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "the deeper question here? Like why why"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "are they pushing this on us now? Because"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "there it's it's much bigger than just"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "like having the convenience of a"}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "personal computer. So, I don't know. I"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "could wax poetic about this all day,"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:06", "text": ">> but any final thoughts, Derek?"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:07", "text": ">> Uh, well, just, you know, to that"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "thought you just said there. I mean, I"}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:11", "text": "love tools. I love gadgets. I used to"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:12", "text": "love going, you know, hanging out the"}, {"start": "01:05:11", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "electronic store and and I've been"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:15", "text": "waiting for this when I was younger,"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "waiting for this futuristic world, and"}, {"start": "01:05:15", "end": "01:05:19", "text": "now we're arriving here and I'm"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:21", "text": "terrified. So, I definitely share that"}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:23", "text": "concern with you. Like, I I love what"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:25", "text": "the tools are potentially capable of,"}, {"start": "01:05:23", "end": "01:05:27", "text": "and I have to balance that with my"}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "understanding of who is in charge and"}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "who's running these tools because, as I"}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "said earlier, if we had a different"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:34", "text": "world with benevolent people um in"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "charge of these tools, then maybe"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "humanity could be advancing much much"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "further. But instead, um, and I know"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "you've reported on this as well, instead"}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "they're suppressing other technologies"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "which could help us advance. And they're"}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "using these current technologies to to"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:47", "text": "monitor and surveil us. So, I just want"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "to mention if anybody wants to find this"}, {"start": "01:05:47", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "report, it's at the"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "elastamevagabond.com."}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "And if you're curious about my"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:54", "text": "documentary on 5G, you can find it at"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:56", "text": "theconciousresistance.com."}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "So, thank you for having me on, Clayton."}, {"start": "01:05:56", "end": "01:05:59", "text": ">> Derek, always great to have you, my"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "friend. Thank you for your incredible"}, {"start": "01:05:59", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "reporting as always. Um, yeah, keep"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:04", "text": "doing what you're doing. Thank you so"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "much."}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:08", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:10", "text": "And thanks to all of you for being here"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:12", "text": "and subscribing on this uh on this"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:15", "text": "beautiful day. Thank you guys for being"}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "a part of the redacted community. Um you"}, {"start": "01:06:15", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "know, share it. Uh do whatever you can"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "cuz obviously they are they're doing"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "their their level best right now to uh"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "keep our shows and others um from"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "reaching larger audiences. I mean, this"}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "is this is their path. So, whatever you"}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "can do, subscribe, share it with a loved"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "one, family member, I don't care. push"}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "it out wherever. But thank you guys for"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "being a part of our community um on this"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:41", "text": "on this day and we will be back here"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "tomorrow at 400 p.m. Eastern time. Have"}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "a great night everyone."}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:06:57", "end": "01:07:01", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:01", "text": "Heat. 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It's all over TV."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "It was based on inadequate long-term"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "data only for it to cause fatal heart"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "and lung conditions in thousands of"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "people before being pulled off the"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "shelves. Like all these people needed to"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "die before they pulled it off the shelf."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "Or look at Vio. Remember that one?"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "Blockbuster painkiller approved in a"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "1999 that spent 5 years on the market."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Tens of thousands of fatal heart attacks"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "and strokes. While the agency and the"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "manufacturer allegedly ignored the"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "warning signs from the very beginning."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "Now the FDA just approved a brand new"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "mRNA vaccine from the common flu. And"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "yes, where is it from? Madna. They claim"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "it's about public health. But what if"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "it's actually about big pharma"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "protecting their profits? Well, this"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "shot was pushed through despite fierce"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "controversy, deep skepticism from"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "leaders like RFK Jr., who, by the way,"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "we've learned is being boxed out inside"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "the Maha movement, inside the White"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "House, shouting matches happening on a"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "regular basis, and I have a prediction"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "that he will be gone uh right after the"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "midterms. They've even secured"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "accelerated approval to pump this into"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "seniors, this new drug, this new mRNA"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "drug age 65 and older. And by the way,"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "why is the COVID shot still on"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "storeshelves and being pushed by people"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "despite all of the adverse events that"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "we know about? It feels exactly like a"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "sci-fi thriller, like they think they're"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "curing the seasonal flu. 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First, pandemic"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "preparedness, forcing their way to the"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "front lines to propagate their vaccines"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "in the event of another pandemic."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "Second, they created what what are"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "called agency frameworks, so tracking"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "legislation and FDA user fee amendments"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "to fasttrack mRNA approvals. And then"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "third, Medicare and insurance coverage"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "pushing bills aimed at expanding vaccine"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "coverage under Medicare so they can get"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "their vaccine into more people's arms."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "These are not good people at Maderna."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "They're not trying to help save lives."}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "They're trying to make boatloads of"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "money. So today, we're going to break"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "down exactly what this might mean for"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "the future of health and medicine as we"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "know it. I want to bring in Kim Bright,"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "who's the founder of Brightitecore, who"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "has over 50 years of experience in"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "health and wellness to talk about all of"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "this with us today. Kim, welcome back to"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "the show. Great to see you."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": ">> Well, great to see you, too, Clayton."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "Thanks for having me back. I mean, this"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "is just it just gets weirder and weirder"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "every day. I mean, we all know now how"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "much damage these vaccines have done to"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "people. And but a lot of people still"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "don't understand that you're not safe"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "even if you don't get the jab. you know,"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "they're shedding. You know, you've heard"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "about shedding and all of this is going"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "into our food and our meat and and a lot"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "of people also don't know this, but it's"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "not even prohibited from being used in"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "our organic meats. I mean, if you can"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "look at what it says on the actual USDA"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "website,"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "it says since organic farmers can't"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "routinely use drugs to prevent diseases"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "and parasites, they're they mostly use"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "animal selection and management"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "practices, and only a few drugs such as"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "vaccines are allowed. Now, it's"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "unavoidable, Clayton, because it spreads"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "through the livestock, the air, through"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "shedding, and it's just crazy. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "there's such a ton of unexplained"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "symptoms that people are experiencing"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "whether or not they got the jab. They've"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "got fatigue and brain fog. They've got"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "cardiovascular issues. They've got"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "sudden weight gain or weight loss. Uh"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "hormonal and thyroid issues. Then"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "they've got compromised immune systems."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "And people are getting sick more often."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "Muscle joint pain, reoccurring"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "headaches. The list just goes on and on."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "And uh there was a comprehensive study"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "that proves mRNA vaccines are causing"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "accelerated aging."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> Oh, good. That's a nice benefit."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "Accelerated aging."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": ">> Isn't that That's what we all want."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": ">> I mean, it's crazy. What do you think"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "about that? Well, I mean, what I feel"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "bad, too, is like if you've got someone"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "who's elderly or approaching that age"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "and, you know, keeps seeing the"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "advertisements on television during"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "their during their soap operas or"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "whatever, that they should go and get"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "this new flu vaccine cuz it's flu season"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "or their local news station is pushing"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "this mRNA technology on them and telling"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "them it's flu season. You better get out"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "there and get in line and just go down"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "to your local pharmacy. So they're being"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "pushed and then they're trying to stay"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "younger, you know, like when you're in"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "your 60s or 70s, you don't want to feel"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "like you're now 90 because you just took"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "some stupid experimental vaccine."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> I know. And and this study, it found"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "significant damage to ribosomal RNA"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "structures. Those structures are so"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "important because that involves our"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "protein synthesis. So after you've been"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "vaccinated then now this thing is"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "disrupting your key cellular processes"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "damaging your RNA uh and all these"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "things are associated with aging and"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "researchers are suggesting that this"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "could could contribute to accelerated"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "biological aging and here's the thing"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "the damage is still detectable after"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "long period a long period after"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "vaccinations."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "So the thing about cellular aging is"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "that it's not something that you're"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "going to see immediately. It's something"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "that breaks us down over time. And so"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "let's talk about what aging is. So aging"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "happens on a cellular level. Uh we"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "naturally have cell metabolism happening"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "every day where um you know the cells"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "are going to age over time no matter"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "what we do. Um that's just a you know"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "par for the course there. Um, there's"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "other factors though like inflammation"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "and oxidative stress uh accelerate the"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "aging of our cells. Um, but what does"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "all this mean for our bodies? I mean,"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "when we're talking about the aging of"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "ourselves, Clayton, we're talking about"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "the aging of our tissues, which is"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "everything inside and outside of our"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "body. And it's what makes us healthy or"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "unhealthy? And the whole question that I"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "always hear is, well, how how can we"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "slow down the aging of our bodies? How"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "is that possible then? And um you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "of course, we all know there's a"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "tremendous amount of evidence out there"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "that actually shows what we put in to"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "our bodies is going to play a direct"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "role in the development of chronic"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "diseases like heart disease, diabetes,"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "arthritis, even our cognitive abilities,"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "Clayton, and our mental health and"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "emotional well-being. I mean, what do"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "you do you have something to say on"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "that? Well, I'm just I'm"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "How many doctors do we need to listen to"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "who we've interviewed here on the show"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "about the spike protein and the mRNA,"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "you know, vaccines? Um I I love by the"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "way that Madna's stock ticker is mRNA."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "Like that's their stock ticker."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Isn't that great?"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": ">> Which is crazy. But like these things"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "are staying in the body as you talk"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "about for a long time. These are and"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "what we've interviewed Dr. Peter McCulla"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "and others who've talked about these"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "spike proteins being that are staying in"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "the body and in many ways I don't know"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "if it's that specifically which is"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "modifying the body's DNA."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": ">> Well, it's definitely causing a huge"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "contribution. Let's just put it that"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "way. And you know, so the thing is why"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "do we even need these things? Why?"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "You've got to ask the questions. You've"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "got to really, you know, go into"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "yourself and and go, why do I really"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "need this? ask enough questions and see"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "really do you want to put yourself"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "through what the end result would be if"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "you take it or not take it. But you know"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "the other thing too is hydration."}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "Now if you think of a sponge, if a"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "sponge doesn't have water in it, what's"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "it look like? Well, guess what? We're"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "the same way. So you hear about"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "hydration all the time. It's always been"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "the first thing that I talked about with"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "all the people that I've counseledled"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "over, you know, 50 years because most"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "people that came to me were 98%"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "dehydrated. They're not drinking enough"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "water. Uh, and"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": ">> what does that do to the b I mean, what"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "does that do to the organs?"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": ">> Well, pe when you're when you're"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "hydrated correctly, your organs function"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "normally. When you're dehydrated, your"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "your organs can't function. Think of the"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "sponge. They they dry up. They they"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "contract. How are they going to push the"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "blood through correctly? How are, you"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "know, how's the heart going to work"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "correctly? How's your kidneys going to"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "work correctly if you're dehydrated? So,"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "you've got to be hydrated for the"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "healthy function of all your organs,"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "including your skin, which is the"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "largest organ in your body. And then, of"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "course, people who lead sedentary"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "lifestyles, um, you know, they don't"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "want to exercise. But guess what? It"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "leads to obesity, bone density issues,"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "uh joint problems, mobility issues, and"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "low energy. You've got to move, people,"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "when you get older. We've got to stay"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "moving. We're being bombarded by so much"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "crap in the air, in the water, in the"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "food. You've got to push that out. You"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "got to exercise. So, please get out"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "there and do this. And you know what a"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "lot of people don't know is that you can"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "actually do things to slow aging on a"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "cellular level which brings us full"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "circle back to what I was saying how the"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "cellular metabolism our cellular"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "metabolism oxidative stress that's when"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "you're you know free radicals are gone"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "bananas inside you and you're rusting"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "from the inside out and inflammation are"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "the determining factors as to how"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "quickly we age. So, there was this"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "anti-aging study that shows that when"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "the centuries old food called kimchi is"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "introduced to human cells in a test"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "tube, it actually slowed the aging of"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "the cells. Clayton,"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": ">> so you can get this, you know, drinking"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "water, exercising, and then eating"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "actual natural foods can actually just"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "slow the aging process. So we don't need"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "to turn to Maderna and pump ourselves"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "full of vaccines"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": ">> and eating that ferment centuries old"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "food fermented food kimchi I mean"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "slowing aging on that cellular level"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "slows the aging of our tissues which is"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "the combination of all our cells which"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "ultimately slows the aging of the entire"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "body and kimchi as you know is a staple"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "in the Korean diet. They eat it every"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "day over there and sometimes they even"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "eat it at every meal. And guess what?"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "Their skin's different over in Korea."}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "And you can see it in their skin. Have"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "you ever heard of Korean glass skin,"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "Clayton?"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": ">> No. No. But I can tell you when I was at"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "Costco recently, there was like a table"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "set up and it was like two Koreans and"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "they were like selling like skin care"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "creams and all these women were like"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "kind of flocked around and you know"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "they're like they're like oh I've heard"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "and I overheard them talking about like"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "yeah Korean skin looks so good. Why does"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "it look so good? And I was just like I"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "was you know by myself just checking"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "out. I'm like, \"Okay, ladies, you have"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "fun with your Korean uh your Korean skin"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "care.\" But no, so is it food or is it"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "like some sort of other thing they're"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "putting on their skin seaweed?"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": ">> Well, no. Eating eating the kimchi"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "supports the gut skin axis through rich"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "probiotics. So, that's why Korean women"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "tend to have such radiant glowing skin."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "That's what that's all about. And their"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "skin just glows and it just is so"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "gorgeous. Now, the gut skin axis that"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "I'm referring to, that's the"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "biodirectional relationship that's"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "between our gut microbiome and skin"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "health. And what you put in your body"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "plays a bigger role than any type of"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "treatment or cream that you can use"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "topically. Great. Enjoy your creams. But"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "you got to get that gut microbiome"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "really healthy and then it's going to"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "reflect on the outside. Um, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "the microbiome is more just more than"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "just inside your gut, Clayton. It's"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "everywhere. The skin even has its own"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "microbiome. And the balance of good and"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "bad bacteria is going to determine the"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "quality of your skin and how quickly"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "your skin is going to age. And you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "when people think about health, they so"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "often think about what is on the inside."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "But our appearance is a direct"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "reflection of our internal health. And"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "Clayton, you know this, I think I've"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "I've said it before, but I'll say it"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "again. I'm 71 and I know people"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "constantly tell me you don't look your"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "age. You don't act your age. You you"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "your movements are just they don't bely"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "that you're 71. But that's because I've"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "taken care of myself over the years and"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "I feel young. I don't feel 71. And it's"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "all about nourishing and paying"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "attention to our gut microbiome. And"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "I've been doing that for now nearly 50"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "years. So, when it comes to taking care"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "of your your own microbiome and"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "everything else related to it, there's"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "nothing better that you can consume than"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "the centuries old food kimchi. And there"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "are also studies out there about how"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "kimchi can help regrow your hair and"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "prevent hair loss. You know, as we age,"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "everybody loses their hair. So I found"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "this groundbreaking study that was done"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "in 2020 and it involved men and women"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "with andriogenic alopeescia. Now that's"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "the most common reason for hair loss."}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "And they were consuming kimchi on a"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "daily basis for a 4-month period. And"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "they measured then both the hair count"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "and the hair shaft thickness. And some"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "participants actually experienced"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "positive results in as little as one"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "month. And then after 4 months, 91% of"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "women saw an increase in hair count,"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "hair thickness, or both. And the men had"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "an even better result,"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "which I think you'll be happy about."}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "Clayton, 96% of men saw an increase in"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "their hair count and hair thickness or"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "both. I mean, you got a good head of"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "hair on you, but um you know, no refer"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "to you especially, but I'm just you're a"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "guy, so you can share it with all your"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "friends."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> No, and it's so funny cuz my wife for"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "years she took these um these like hair"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "thickness pills or whatever cuz she, you"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "know, she's crazy like that. So she for"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "years would take these pills and then"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "she she switched she stopped about I"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "don't know six months ago and just"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "started doing just started doing the"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "kimchi plan. Um cuz also there was like"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "there's stuff in those pills that she"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "was not happy about. But she like on a"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "regular basis she's like look at my"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "hair. Look at my hair. So yeah. Um and"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "I'm not you know I'm I'm 49. I'm about"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "to turn 50 and I have a few grays in"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "there but my hair is is thick. It's not"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "falling out. And I've been been doing"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "the kimchi now for like, you know, eight"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "months now on a regular basis. So,"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": ">> so good. So, the kimchi story about here"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "is good. It's good. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": ">> But, you know, something else happens as"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "we age. We become more susceptible to"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "viruses. So, people get sick more often."}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "And of course, we're still dealing with"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "that wonderful recent outbreak of"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "cycllospora, which made the headlines"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "due to that alarming symptom, which"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "everybody laughs about. It's not"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "laughable, guys. Explosive diarrhea. I"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "mean, there's over 27,937"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "cases across the country. And it is so"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "much more serious than people realize. I"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "mean, I know people get giggly, you"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "know, when they hear terms like that,"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "explosive diarrhea. But the fact of the"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "matter is over 1.5 million people die"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "each year from foodborne related"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "illnesses. Did you know that, Clayton?"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": ">> No, I had no idea."}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": ">> Yeah, that's crazy. And you know, people"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "want to blame it on President Trump or"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "RFK Jr., uh, but history's shown us that"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "the FDA and the CDC and other government"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "agencies. They've got long history of"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "failing to do their jobs and protect us."}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "So, uh, please don't blame it on RFK Jr."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "or President Trump. Um, but I wanted to"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "point out that recent changes made by"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "the CDC and the FDA, um, they've cut"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "back on food safety surveillance. I"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "don't know if you know this or not, but"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "the CDC narrowed uh required food net"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "pathogen reporting from eight diseases"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "to just Salmonella and E. coli, only two"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "now. And uh the FDA's reduced routine"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "inspections and delayed food"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "traceability rules uh amid ongoing"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "foodborne outbreaks and everything these"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "institutions have done since outbreaks"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "started. Um in my opinion, it's been a"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "complete mess. Now, the FDA initially"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "identified the source of the outbreak as"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "iceberg lettuce from Taylor Farms and"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "has reversed their position on that"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "several times. They now also are"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "suspecting that there are several other"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "sources of outbreak that remain to be"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "identified. So, they really it doesn't"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "appear that they have any idea what's"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "really going on."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": ">> Why would they be cutting back on this?"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "I'm sorry to interrupt you, but like why"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "I mean of all the things like that we"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "need to be cost savings on in across the"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "United States right now, we're cutting"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "back on food safety."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": ">> Well, I don't think it's from RFK Jr. If"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "you want my honest opinion. I think it"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "might be from the people that are trying"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "to push him out."}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": ">> So, you know, that seems logical, right?"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, he's up against it. And I,"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "as I mentioned in the beginning, there"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "are there have been shouting matches"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "inside the White House. Um things that"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "he's trying to push through. he just"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "keeps getting stonewalled and"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "stonewalled and he's up against a lot of"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "this big money and so you know if you"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "the fewer inspections the less"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "regulations of course and the more"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "profits for these companies"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": ">> and the more big pharma can step in and"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "say we got this hoop-de-doo disease now"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "let's make this or whatever you know I"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "mean the FDA conducted just under a"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "thousand foreign safety inspections in"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "2025 and the farm in Mexico believed to"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "be at the center of the ongoing"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "cycllospora outbreak"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "It wasn't one of them, Clayton."}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "I mean, this specific farm in Mexico"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "hasn't been inspected in seven years."}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "That's how far behind the FDA is on"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "their foreign inspections. And under the"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "FDA Food Safety Modernization Act,"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "federal law requires that the FDA"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "conduct at least 19,200"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "foreign food facility inspections each"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "year to prevent diseased and dirty food"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "from reaching Americans plates. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "the FDA hasn't even come close to"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "meeting the congressional mandate, not"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "even 10% of it, since it was put in"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "place over 10 years ago. And the rate of"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "these inspections has gotten marketkedly"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "worse with foreign food safety"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "inspections falling by 29% from 2024."}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "And outside of the COVID pandemic, last"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "year's inspection count was the lowest"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "since 2011. And they're on track to"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "inspect the same amount this year. So"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "these FDA inspections are the first line"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "of our defense for mitigating these"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "outbreaks. I mean, if they aren't return"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "routinely going out to inspect food"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "facilities, then they're completely"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "blind to whether or not those facilities"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "are complying with our laws and"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "regulations or if they're even handling"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "the food properly and safely. Now, to"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "give you an idea of how poor this"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "oversight is, listen to these numbers."}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "About 47,000 foreign manufacturers"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "accounted for 90%"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "of non-meat food shipments into the US"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "last year. 90%. And the FDA has only"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "inspected 4.5% of them since 2023."}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:33", "text": ">> So, we don't even know. And now, of"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "course, we heard from President Trump,"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "he's sort of be flooding the market with"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "all of this ground beef. And of course,"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "American farmers are furious about it."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "they're, you know, dealing with that now"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "in order to because the beef prices are"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "skyrocketing. So, we don't know where I"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "mean, you go to Walmart, you pick up a a"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "thing of ground beef and it comes,"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "you'll look at the where it comes from"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "and it's like three different countries"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "like China. This is all mixed together."}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "All mixed together."}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:01", "text": ">> I wouldn't be buying meat from Walmart"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "if I were you. Uh, not me."}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:04", "text": ">> I'm not touch I'm just picking it up to"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "look at it just to be clear. I'm just"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "like I can't believe it. China,"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "Argentina, the US, all thrown into one"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "one box. Uh, you know, and now these"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "things aren't going to be even um uh you"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "know, even accounted for."}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": ">> I mean, God only knows what's in that"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "meat. God only knows."}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:28", "text": ">> Oh, it's terrifying. Um, so the FDA, as"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "you say, has only inspected 4.5% of them"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "since 2023. Um, and so, and they know"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "they can get away with this. I don't"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "know if you saw the videos of Tyson over"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "the past few days. So, the Tyson"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "food, you know, now they're going to be"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "shutting down a bunch of their factories"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "now. And so, they have like do not allow"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "any filming whatsoever inside those"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "facilities. And now the people that are"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "about to be fired are like going in and"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "filming for the first time. They're"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "like, \"Look at these conditions filming."}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "We're filming. We're going to show you."}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "I'm already fired. Look what's happening"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "in here. It's terrifying.\""}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:02", "text": ">> Yep. And did you I don't know. Did you"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "see that clip that uh where the states"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "mishandling the outbreak of the"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "cycllospora? Did you see that? That's on"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "a state level. Did you see that one?"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:11", "text": ">> No, I think we have it here. Let's let's"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "roll. I'm going to take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "Now, at 5, the outbreak of that nasty"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "stomach bug, cycllospora, continues"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "growing in North Carolina. We received"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "some new numbers from the state health"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "department today. There are now 561"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "cases statewide, up from 307 cases last"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "week. A majority of those cases are"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "actually in Wake County. The county"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "reporting 350 cases compared to just 295"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "yesterday. Dwan Hogar joins us live now."}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "And Dwan, health officials are still"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "trying to track down the source of this"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "outbreak. They have some thoughts, but"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "uh nothing definitive yet."}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:44", "text": ">> Yeah, Stephen, that's even right. As of"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "tonight, we're receiving new information"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "from the state department of health and"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "human services about the potential"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "causes for the cycl cycllosis outbreak"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "here in North Carolina. And they now say"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "that lettuce, which has commonly been"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "linked to cases across multiple other"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "states, is currently not being tested as"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "a potential link here in North Carolina."}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "New questions tonight after state health"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "leaders say lettuce, one of the foods"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "commonly linked to the multi-state"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "cyclops psoriasis illness, had this to"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "say about how North Carolina is handling"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "the disease."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:17", "text": ">> At this time, we are not conducting any"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "testing of lettuce products uh related"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "to the cycllosporasis outbreak."}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "So, we're we're just too busy with other"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "things right now. We're just not testing"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "any of the lettuce right now. What?"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Can Can you believe that they're"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "not even bothering to test the lettuce"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "while cases continue to spike? And"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "didn't that woman didn't she remind you"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "of uh what was that guy's name that was"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "a woman and he was"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "a surgeon? Surgeon General. Sorry."}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:46", "text": ">> Wasn't he the s that the one that was so"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "obese? And didn't doesn't that look like"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "his twin?"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:51", "text": ">> Oh my god. Or her twin. Whatever. All"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "right. Anyway, look,"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:54", "text": ">> the trans Yeah, the trans surgeon"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "general. That's exactly what I was like,"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "is that who that is? Sorry."}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:03", "text": ">> It's her twin. His twin, their twin,"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "whatever. Okay. Uh, so look, when the"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "government isn't going to take care of"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "you, you have to take care of yourself."}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "I'm sorry, but that's what this is"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "about. I mean, you've got to start"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "taking care of yourself and and and just"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "question everything. I mean, the thing"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "about parasites, the cycllospora, and"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "other microbial threats like funguses"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "and bacteria and viruses, is that you"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "can be exposed to them, but they're not"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "only they're only able to multiply in"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "environments where they're able to"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "thrive. It's like Washington DC, the"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "swamp. Well, these guys can only thrive"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "in your swamp if you have a swamp in"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "your gut. So, you know, I got very"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "excited when I found this, Clayton, that"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "this says kimchi actually, this study"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "shows that it prevents food poisoning."}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": ">> How timely, huh? I mean, this is"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "amazing. I got so excited because it has"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "such strong antimicrobial properties and"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "about 80% of our immune system, of"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "course, is in our gut. And the balance"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "of good and bad bacteria is what"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "ultimately is going to determine how"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "vulnerable we are to any of these"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "pathogens be and you know in when we"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "have a healthy microbial uh gut"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "microbiome in our gut when that is"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "really healthy it's all about microbial"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "diversity and nothing compares to the"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "king of fermented foods kimchi because"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "it has over 900 strains of beneficial"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "bacteria whereas sauerkraut which I love"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "to and eat. It's only got 28 different"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "probiotic strains. So that's why kimchi"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "is known as the king of fermented foods,"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "but as you know, Clayton, you got to eat"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "it every day. The only way you're going"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "to get these benefits is if you consume"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "kimchi every day. And it's not something"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "that's easy to eat every day. So we went"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "ahead and created Kimchi 1."}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "Well, I so last night we were having"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "dinner with our friends and one of them"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "was saying, \"I just I don't like the"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "taste of kimchi. I don't like the taste"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "of it.\" Because we were talking about"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "pickled things versus, you know, and um"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "saying, \"I I just I can't do it.\" And so"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "that's if you're in Korea, like that's a"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "you're eating it every day. That's why"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "you have this like beautiful looking"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "skin. That's why you have all of these"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "probiotic strains in your body that's"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "protecting you from all of these things."}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "But Americans are like, \"Eh.\" So yeah,"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "with Kimchi 1, which is something I take"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "every day. I don't eat kimchi every day,"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "but thanks to you guys, like I take it"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "every day as part of my supplements. I"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "take two two capsules, two pills, and so"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "does my wife every day. Um, and uh, as"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "I've said before, I've been, you know,"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "on it for about eight eight or nine"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "months now, and I I I would be furious"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "if I couldn't take it. So my thanks to"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "you guys for creating it."}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": ">> Well, you're welcome. I mean, everybody"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "is happier to take these convenient"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "capsules for their daily use than try"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "and get down kimchi every day. And we"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "use a cold processed drying method to"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "retain all of the fiber and all of the"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "nutrition of the actual uh fermented"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "kimchi. And so kimchi one of course is"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "low in sodium. Very important for people"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "that have sodium restricted diets unlike"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "if you make homemade or storebought. It"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "has high in sodium. It's 100% made in"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "the USA and all natural and non-GMO."}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "And Clayton, you've got great success"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "with it and uh your wife and I think"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "your mother-in-law uses it too, but we"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "have so many other success stories from"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "people that are using Kimchi one. I"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "mean, they write in, they call us,"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "they're so excited, they're like they"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "they can go out dancing again, they're"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "not bloated and having all this, you"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "know, the problems with their digestion."}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "um you know, they're regular now. People"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "that had problems with their memories um"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "and their moods, um they're thinking"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "more clearly and they actually have a a"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "better sense of well-being now. And uh"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "and they're happier. And people who"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "experienced chronic fatigue, especially"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "after 2020, we all know what happened"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "then. Uh they have energy again. And"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "people with diabetes who are struggling"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "with their blood sugar, their weight,"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "their blood pressure, they experience"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "dramatic changes. So, um, oh, there was"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "even a study that showed kimchi's"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "ability to reduce body fat by 31.8%"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "on overweight individuals. That's huge."}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "That's almost 32% weight reduction. Who"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "needs, you know, who needs Ompic?"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:33", "text": ">> Exactly. And I should say my"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "father-in-law who was worried about his"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "memory, although, you know, that's just"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "one of the things, you know, he's been"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "focused on lately, taking creatine and"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "other things. And so I was telling him"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "about Kimchi one a few months ago, and"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "he started adding it to his supplement"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "stack. And uh he just passed his like"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "aviation test and everything like you"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "have to have fast memory recall. And so"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "yeah, I said, \"Hey, you know, this is"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "what the studies say. You should add it"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "to your add it to your daily routine now"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "if you're really concerned about that.\""}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "as he, you know, just passed 70 years"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "old and so forth. So, good for him."}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:07", "text": ">> Yes, that's great news. I'm I'm Do you"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "have any other stories you want to"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "share?"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:12", "text": ">> I just I mean, I just almost everyone in"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "my family is on it. I don't want to"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "sound like I'm blowing smoke, but you"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "know, everyone in my family takes it."}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "So, I I take it every day, and I'm proud"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "to say I do. And people are like, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "what supplements do you take?\" And I"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "have I list like the five that I take"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "every day. My kimchi one is always the"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "one that I add in my little my little"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "pill box that I take with me. So yeah,"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "that's what I do every day."}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:33", "text": ">> Well, wonderful. Well, we want all your"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "viewers to be able to have great"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "success, too. So, how about a special?"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:41", "text": ">> Love it. Yeah, you guys are always so"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "generous uh with your with your special."}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "And I love this, too, because if they go"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "to the website, so you put this up on"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "the screen, Phillip, so if they get 25%"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "off, right? But it's even better if they"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "call. Can you tell tell them the"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "difference here? Yeah, if they want to,"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "you know, if they want to click the link"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "below and use that code redacted,"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "they're going to get 25% off. 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Now"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "remember, you're only going to get the"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "best discounts in that free bottle of"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "Fortify when you call. And again, that"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "number is 888-44-6312."}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:56", "text": ">> Awesome. Love it. Well, this has been"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "great. Thank you so much, Kim, as"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "always. I'm huge fans of what you guys"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "do there. Thank you for being on the"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "front lines of focusing on our health"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "and standing up to these big pharma"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "titans. Oh, before I let you go, I I"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "wasn't going to ask you this, but I"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "figured I might. I don't know if you"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "guys saw, so Maderna, in addition to"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "this whole new flu thing, they just"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "announced like a couple weeks ago that"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "they had just like passed, I think,"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "phase one or something for their new new"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "their new vaccine for melanoma."}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "So, they create the problem with all of"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "this like with all of these suntan"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "lotions and everything else and the"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "massive study that's come out showing"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "suntan lotions causing cancer and all of"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "this. And now, wouldn't you know it,"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "they're right there. Hey, we've got a"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "vaccine that we're working on for"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "melanoma."}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:43", "text": ">> Create."}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:45", "text": ">> What an amazing thing. Create the"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "problem and provide the solution."}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:49", "text": ">> Yeah, that's what they do best."}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:50", "text": ">> That's what they do best. Kimbright,"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "founder of Brightcore. Thank you so"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "much. People should call 180044-6312."}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "We'll have it linked up in the"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "description for people to take"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "advantage."}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": ">> Yeah, that's 888, not 800. Clayton."}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:03", "text": ">> Oh my god, I got to take my glasses off."}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:03", "text": ">> 88844-6312."}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": ">> Put my glasses. Got too excited over the"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "madna."}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:12", "text": ">> 888 I like looked down at my computer"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "screen and it was fuzzy. 4046312."}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "88844-6312."}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "Thank you, Kim. Great to see you as"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "always."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:18", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:19", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:20", "text": ">> You take care. All right. Thanks."}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "Byebye."}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:24", "text": ">> Thank you so much for watching Redacted."}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "We'd love for you to subscribe to the"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "channel. It's totally free if you want"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "to follow us or subscribe. 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Uh, it is also a major"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "ingredient of prenatal vitamins. Most"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "prenatal vitamins contain folic acid."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "They tell pregnant women that this will"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "prevent birth defects. My next guest"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "says actually that's quite the opposite."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "It can cause them. Dr. Claire Craig is"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "trying to get the British people to sign"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "a petition to keep this out of their"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "foods. But even though it's too late for"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "us as Americans, we can try to avoid it"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "by reading labels. Here is her petition."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "We're going to talk about it more and"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "link to it in our show description. So"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "joining me is Dr. Craig. She's a"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "pathologist and a researcher. Now, Dr."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "Craig, thank you for joining me. I want"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "to share with you that I saw you on Dr."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "uh John Campbell's show recently. I was"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "gobsmacked because I didn't know this."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "And then the next day, I went to the"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "grocery store and I picked up a bag of"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "flour. Lo and behold, the ingredients"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "were bleached wheat flour and folic"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "acid. In fact, 90 milligrams per"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "serving. So, tell us about how you"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "became aware of the dangers of folic"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "acid. what is it and why is it there?"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> Um, sure. Okay. Thanks and thanks for"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "having me on. I just want to just pull"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "up two little points in in the"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "introduction. So, one thing is to say"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "I'm I've not ever claimed that they that"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "folic acid causes birth defects, but it"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "does cause problems in pregnancy. And"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "one of the problems is pregnancy losses"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "and and and so that's key, but I think"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "we'll probably come to that in a minute."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "And also just this word poison which is"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "a difficult word and when you're talking"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "about um any medicine any medicine uh"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "you know you can take a dose at which it"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "causes problems but even at at doses in"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "which it's got a benefit you can still"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "have side effects and so you know when"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "is it a drug and when is it a poison"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "becomes a a a gray area I would say"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "folic acid is a drug and we should not"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "have drugs in our food. 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And of"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "course with the co vaccines which I've"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "got a book out on at the moment there"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "was this key core ethical problem of"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "this idea that some people should be"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "injected to protect other people. Um and"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "and the public health people were very"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "careful never to say explicitly that"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "that's what they were doing. They always"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "argued that it was for the child's"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "benefit or the baby's benefit really."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "But you know in terms of the data that"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "was never true. It wasn't true because"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "these children were not at risk. So they"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "were injecting children to benefit"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "adults. And this is what we've got with"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "folic acid as well. We've got this"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "situation where public health officials"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "have found a subgroup of people they"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "think can benefit and they want to"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "expose the entire population to a drug"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "in order for that tiny group to benefit."}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "And it becomes hugely disproportionate"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "because even if they're right that there"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "was a benefit in the UK there's 600,000"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "births a year so that's the maximum"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "number of people who have any potential"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "to benefit but there's 69 million of us"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "altogether and if you can't benefit then"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "your risk benefit balance is going to be"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "risk more than benefit because there is"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "nobody."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> So the story you told to Dr. Campbell,"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "which you know pushed me to use the word"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "poison. And and yes, there's nuance"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "there, is that the data was there to say"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "that if we give this to pregnant women,"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "it prevents birth defects, but so many"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "babies died in the trial. So you're not"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "act so it's like, well, they didn't come"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "out with birth defects. They didn't come"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "out at all. Why don't you describe that"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "better? Because that again is the thing"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "that I was like, what? You can't kill"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "babies and say that's a great outcome."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely. So, um the the there"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "there were a few trials done, five"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "altogether, randomized control trials."}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "Um and the four of them took women who"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "were a high risk of having a neural tube"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "defect, which is the birth defect that"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "we're talking about, which is where the"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "neural tube that rolls up to become"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "brain and spinal cord doesn't close"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "properly. And you can either get"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "spobifida if it's at the base of the"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "spine or you can get a brain that"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "doesn't form properly if it's a really"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "severe case at the other end. Um so so"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "women who've had that problem in the"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "past are at high risk of having it again"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "relatively. So for these trials in order"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "to get you know not have to recruit huge"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "numbers they looked at women who had a"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "high risk and for four of these trials"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "they also gave them a very very big dose"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "of a drug. So they're basically treating"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "these women with a medicine and the"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "medicine seemed to prevent um problems"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "in their subsequent pregnancies. Now"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "that's a situation that I would classify"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "completely differently to what we're"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "talking about here. So there was only"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "ever one trial on regular women. Um and"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "this one trial had all sorts of problems"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "with it. Like they didn't just give"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "folic acid, they gave it with a"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "multivitamin. And they didn't give a"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "benign placebo. They gave trace elements"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "including things like manganese which is"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "a known neurotoxin. So it was a it"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "wasn't the best trial but it's all we've"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "got right they've got this one trial and"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "in this one trial they published it in"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "1992 with the positive finding. So the"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "positive finding was nine babies with a"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "neural tube defect in the placebo"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "control group and um zero in the"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "treatment group. So it looked great."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "Everybody got very excited. It hit the"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "news. This was in 1992."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "And then people in powerful positions in"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "public health said, \"Right, that's"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "enough. We've got what we need. We need"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "to advise pregnant women to take this"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "stuff.\" And one particular person called"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "Judith Hall wrote in the Lancet, \"It's"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "now unethical to do any more research on"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "this topic.\" So it became, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "way public health like ideas get sort of"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "canonized, it became canonized in 1992."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "And so if you started to say anything to"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "question it, that was in itself"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "unethical. Then in 1994,"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "the authors of that same paper had sat"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "down and they' done more of the safety"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "analysis and they wrote a paper in which"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "they said that um potentially all of the"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "claimed benefit was due to pregnancy"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "losses as as you know we said. So there"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "was a statistically significant big"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "signal in women losing pregnancies after"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "positive pregnancy test. That was"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "sometimes a very early miscarriage,"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "sometimes a regular miscarriage, it was"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "sometimes a still birth. But if you add"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "them all together, in fact, they also"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "include the termination. So you add them"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "all together, any reason for a pregnancy"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "loss, then it was statistically"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "significantly higher in the group with"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "folic acid to the tune of nine pregnancy"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "losses for every neural tube defect"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "prevented. So if you're a pregnant woman"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "and and a doctor is saying to you, I"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "think you should take folic acid, they"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "should also be saying now when you take"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "folic acid, you know, there is the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "possibility um I can't remember the"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "exact number now, it's like one in uh"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "400 or something chance that you'll"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "prevent a neural tube defect, but the"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "chance that you're going to lose this"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "pregnancy is nine times higher than"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "that. what you know, you make the"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "decision, that's your decision, what you"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "want to do, but nobody gets told that."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "They just don't get told it. And um one"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "like in order to kind of tidy away this"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "awkward, inconvenient truth, um one"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "expert came out in the late '9s again"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "and said, well actually maybe what's"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "happened here is that if you look at the"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "group as a population rather than as"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "individuals, the folic acid group had"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "more babies altogether. And that's true."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "Um, you know, folic acid is a growth"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "stimulant, which is why it's a problem"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "in cancer and things like that. So, if"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "you give it to a woman, she might be"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "more like she more like to have twins,"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "they're more like to have triplets, and"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "they're more likely to get conceive in"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "the first place. So, at a population"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "level, they sort of try to justify it."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "But of course, if you're as an"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "individual losing a pregnancy, the fact"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "someone else is pregnant doesn't help"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "you, does it? I mean, irrelevant really,"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "but they"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": ">> It's like saying, \"I killed myself and"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "that's how I prevented car accidents.\""}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "Right. I mean it is insane. Um and so"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "they tried to kind of dismiss the"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "pregnancy losses by saying well look um"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "we think what was happening is that"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "pregnancies that would have failed made"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "it through to miscarrying or made it"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "through to being still births. And"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "therefore it's a good thing they're like"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "good baby deaths because otherwise"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "they'd have just died earlier. So they"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "we sustained these babies and it's"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "complete nonsense because the number of"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": ">> eugenics that's like we're we're weeding"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "out the weak ones that we wouldn't want"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "anyway. That's"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": ">> well they didn't quite make that"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "argument. They made the argument that"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "we're sustaining life so well that these"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "babies are dying later. But the thing is"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "that if that were true, you'd see fewer"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "deaths very very early on in pregnancy"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "because they were sustaining life. But"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "there aren't fewer very early on."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "There's more then as well. There's more"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "at every single stage. And then if when"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "you follow the children up at every"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "stage of follow-up there were more"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "deaths in the treatment group than in"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "the um control group. But children don't"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "die much thankfully. So it was never"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "statistically significant to say look"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "the thing is that when you get that same"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "signal every single time you look that"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "is concerning when you're talking about"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "death. Um and but that also just got"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "ignored. And I I do think a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "problem is to do with how public health"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "takes on these ideas that they're going"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "to save the world and that they, you"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "know, that they're heroes and that this"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "is a good thing and then people's"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "careers become about doing this good"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "thing to save babies and and it just"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "becomes this bulldozer that just gets a"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "momentum of its own,"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": ">> right? Yeah. We saw that with the COVID"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "vaccine where they said this will"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "prevent COVID and then we saw with the"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "trials they never actually tested for"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "transmission at all. They just tested"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "for symptoms within just a few weeks."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "And so, you know, when did it start to"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "become because I have three kids. I"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "remember that, you know, folic acid in"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "your prenatal vitamin is in the"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "pregnancy"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "emails and, you know, when you start to"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "sign up for things like that, when you"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "get baby magazines, the doctor talks"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "about your prenatal vitamin, they never"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "give you this warning. So, when did So,"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "it was around the '9s that this became"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "popular. And is there any data that it"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "might be correlated with worse outcomes"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "overall since we all started taking it,"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "which I wish I hadn't?"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "Um um well I think this is really really"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "difficult. It's really really tricky to"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "pull out like all population harms and"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "say that was because of yes of course"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "acid at that date because things are"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "changing all the time at different dates"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "but as again it's all that we can do. So"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "I have looked at certain things like say"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "infant mortality so deaths in the first"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "year of life in the states were falling"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "every single year. They were on a linear"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "downward trajectory until fertic acid"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "was mandated in your flower and then"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "they started to not fall at the rate"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "they had been forming before. But you"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "know how do you prove that was a folic"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "acid? Well, you need trials really. And"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "then you've got what one thing I looked"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "at this week was that when the states"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "mandated this, you did it at the same"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "time as changing the bowel screening"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "program. So there was a there was an"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "uptick in diagnosis of bowel cancer and"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "people said well maybe that was the"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "folic acid and they said oh no it's just"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "because we were diagnosing more because"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "if you look the uptick begins the year"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "before the mandate which is when they"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "started the screening increase but the"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "thing is that like here what we're"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "seeing now the mandate isn't in place"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "yet but the folic acid isn't all the"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "food because they give the manufacturers"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "a couple of years running and so I'm"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "sure that's what happened in the states"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "as well. You had the runin period and"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "you had the increase in bowel cancer and"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "then they say, \"Oh, we changed the"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "screening.\" And when you look at other"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "countries and what they've done,"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "Australia changed their screening when"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "they rolled it out and guess what? We're"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "changing our screening now as we're"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "rolling it out. So with you, I think it"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "was changing the or you made it"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "available um on Medicare that that at"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "that time and um in Australia they took"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "it down to 50 year olds at that time."}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "Here we already have it for 50 year"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "olds. So what we're doing is we're well"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "I'm not saying this is actually anything"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "more than a coincidence but"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "coincidentally what we're doing is"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "saying the level of the test at which"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "you get referred for a colonoscopy has"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "is much much lower. So you you need the"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "tiny teeny tiniest half of the amount"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "you needed before before you get your"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "colonoscopy. So that is going to"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "increase diagnosis rates. It just will"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": ">> and it's happening at a time when"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "actually you want to be measuring that"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "because we're exposing people to a known"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "risk factor. And so you told a story to"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "Dr. Campbell about how it starves the"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "brain as it's in development because of"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "what it is. Can you explain that please?"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:02", "text": ">> Yes. Okay. So um the brain um is"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "different to the rest of the body. So in"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "the rest of the body, cells can get"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "folate. Um, and folic acid ultimately"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "becomes a folate in the body, which is"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "what the body needs and uses and every"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "single cell needs to switch genes on and"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "off and to make DNA and RNA. Um, but in"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "the rest of the body, um, folates can"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "get into cells just by the by diffusing"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "in because the the amount in the blood"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "is high relative to the amount in the"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "cell. So it can go in through all these"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "different mechanisms quite passively."}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "But in the brain, the bloodb brain"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "barrier stops the blood folate getting"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "into any cells. So it has to get into"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "the cerebral spinal fluid around the"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "brain and then from there it goes into"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "the brain cells one at a time. So the"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "surface gets the highest dose and the"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "cells beneath that lower and then lower"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "and lower all the way into the center of"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "your brain. And so to get the f the"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "folate into your cerebros spinal fluid,"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "there's a particular um receptor which"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "uses energy to pull it in from the"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "blood. So you've got a receptor whose"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "sole job is to make sure that brain has"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "got enough folate. Um and"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "this there isn't really another way in"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "and especially not when you're growing a"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "brain in your mother's womb because the"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "placenta also has to concentrate it"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "using the same receptor. Now the thing"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "is that when you have folic acid it"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "binds to this receptor but it binds 10"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "times more tightly than natural folates"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "and it doesn't let go. So a natural"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "folate will bind to the receptor and"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "then the cell will pull it inside and"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "then it will let go and then it will"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "come back empty and do it again. With"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "folic acid it binds super tight, goes"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "into the cell, won't let go, comes back"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "out still bound and so folate can't"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "bind. you've just blocked that receptor"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "by using folic acid. And folic acid also"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "because it's binding really tightly,"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "instead of having a nice loose grip, you"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "end up with a distorted twisted shaped"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "receptor. And um there's like an"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "evidence gap here um that nobody's"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "proven that this distortion causes"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "antibodies, but we know that vitamin B12"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "when it's synthetic can do that to the"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "protein that that binds to. And we also"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "know that there are antibodies to this"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "receptor and that these antibodies are"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "um they're present more in families"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "where there's um autistic spectrum"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "disorder. Um and you know they"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "particularly high levels in the spinal"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "in the um in the blood of of children"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "who got that disorder and of their"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "mothers. And so you know there is"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "something there. We shouldn't be making"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "antibodies to our own receptors,"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "especially not core brain receptors. You"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "know, there's something there that's"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "really important to look at. And the"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "evidence base around that is is, you"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "know, there's people have been working"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "on these kinds of things for a long long"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "time. Um and there's a fairly strong"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "evidence base that these antibodies are"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "related to autism which is why if you"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "remember back in September"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "um there was that announcement about"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "autism research that Trump and Bobby"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "Kennedy did and um they in that"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "announcement talked about giving"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "autistic children phimic acid. They"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "called it luccoorin which is the trading"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "and fiminic acid is not really found"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "much in the body. So if you take that,"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "it gets into the brain really easily"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "because there is no gradient to worry"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "about like this. It it just gets into"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "the brain by bypassing all the systems"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "that control how much you should have."}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "And it does seem to reduce symptoms a"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "lot in autistic children. But the thing"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "is, we just don't have the safety"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "evidence. And if you're going to say,"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "well, these children are going to take"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "this every day forever, you need safety"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "evidence. You can't just go and give"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "that to children."}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": ">> Right. Right. And so is there any"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "evidence that it can have"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "contraindications for adults as well?"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:07", "text": ">> Folic acid. Um yes. So um I would say"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "the strongest evidence is around cancer"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "and there are um broadly well first of"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "all there's never been a safety trial."}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "So even though this behaves in every way"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "like a drug, it is synthetic. It is you"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "know not found ever naturally. The body"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "takes a long time to handle it. It"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "interacts with receptors in weird ways."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "It's it's like a drug in every way, but"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "except it has not had to go through any"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "of the safety testing that drugs"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "normally have to go through because it's"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "treated like a nutrient. Um and um"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "despite not having any safety testing,"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "people keep trying to give it to improve"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "things and then finding it does the"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "opposite. So there's a sort of evidence"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "base anyway around those topics. So when"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "they sort of give it to people with"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "heart stances to see if they can improve"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "recovery and they find that they've"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "killed some and they've reinos the"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "stances that's your safety evidence"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "base. It's from trials like that you"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "know where you just accidentally did it"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "wrong."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:06", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": ">> And so the cancer evidence comes from"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "trials where they're trying to do use it"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "positively and they find a cancer risk"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "and it started off with a 2.6fold"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "six-fold increased risk of pancreatic of"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "sorry prostate cancer in one particular"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "trial. Um and but then you know there"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "have been several trials and when you"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "collect all of the evidence on cancer"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "from all the trials what you find is in"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "trials where they gave less than a"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "milligram a day"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "there is a cancer risk. It's about 20%"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "higher than baseline. It's a big cancer"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "risk. In trials where they use more than"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "a milligram a day, there isn't a cancer"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "list. And so there's one big analysis"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "which looks at the whole thing and"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "averages it out and says, \"Oh, there"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "isn't one.\" You're like, \"Well, that's"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "not good science.\" You know, if you're"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "talking about medicines, we know you use"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "them at different doses for different"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "reasons because they have different"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "effects at different doses when you're"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "talking about efficacy. But people never"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "talk like that when they're talking"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "about safety, but they should because"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "the body is the same. It's complicated."}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "And so if you're giving a really big"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "dose, you will be switching on systems"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "and switching on and switching off, you"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "know, things within the body that mean"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "the response to a big dose is different."}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "But when you're giving a dose under a"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "milligram a day, which is absolutely the"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "level at which fortification reaches,"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "then you might not be triggering those"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "things. So the I think the easy way to"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "think about it is if you have a ruptured"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "pipe in your house, you notice the water"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "everywhere and you call out for help and"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "you get it fixed really quickly because"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "it's um you know it sets all the systems"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "off. But if you have a drip drip drip"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "drip leak in your house that can go on"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "and cause immense damage without really"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "being noticed because the systems never"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "get triggered. 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You say"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "it's not at all."}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:04", "text": ">> Uh no it's not. So um the the folates"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "that our body uses naturally there's"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "more than one type and they go through"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "different processes within the body to"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "go from a vegetable to be absorbed"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "through the gut and then trans you know"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "changed in the liver to be used in the"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "cell. So there's a whole load of"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "different forms that are all natural."}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "But folic acid is like one of the early"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "forms but it is oxidized at two points"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "in the molecule. And that oxidized"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "molecule um means it has a very long"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "shelf life. So it's kind of if you are a"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "manufacturer, it's more attractive to"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "use it because you know what dose you're"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "getting months and months down the line"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "because because it's not natural like"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "you know other it just doesn't degrade."}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:46", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": ">> and so it's it's a synthetic. It's made"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "in a factory basically and and they but"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "it's not actually made from the vi from"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "folate which we get from foods or is it?"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": ">> No, it's not. It's not. It's made from"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "syn It's synthesized in a laboratory and"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "it's and it's a similar molecule. So,"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "it's not completely different. It's"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "oxidized in two parts and we have an"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "enzyme that can change it from that"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "state into a reduced state that your"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "body can then store and use. So when you"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "take it over the course of like a day,"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "you'll end up with more folate as if you"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "had eaten more folate. 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So we have this"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "like real backlog problem and the"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "backlog means that the folic acid is"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "circulating un metabolized in the blood"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "and there is a whole medical literature"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "on un metabolized folic acid and what it"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "does around the body because it it's"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "it's not natural and it it does all"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "sorts of things that it shouldn't you"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "know that you wouldn't want done,"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": ">> right? Um yeah, but we do have this"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "massive problem with terminology. So um"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "when in the in the 40s when they a woman"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "first isolated"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "um folate from spinach, the first thing"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "she called it was folic acid. So like"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "right from the beginning there was this"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "confusion about what's natural and"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "what's synthetic and she was calling the"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "natural one folic acid. And you still"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "see like on a spinach packet today it"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "might tell you it's got folic acid in it"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "and it doesn't. has natural folates in"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "it. Um, and so, you know, there is a"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "gray area which it it's just awful that"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "it can be hidden behind. And then also"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "it has a chemical name which is"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "sometimes used which I can't remember"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "exactly begins with P. Um, but there is"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "a a chemical name for it as well. So, it"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "kind of goes by two aliases. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "yeah, absolutely. It gets marketed as"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "vitamin B9, which couldn't sound more"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "benign, could it?"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:07", "text": ">> Right. Um, the word vitamin is very"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "powerful in terms of people thinking"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "it's good for you."}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:13", "text": ">> I've also seen it show up as"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "uh DF,"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "which is dietary folate equivalent. So,"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "that just tells us on a on a"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "multivitamin per se, it would say"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "folate, but then in the measurements it"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "says DFE. So, that I guess that's a clue"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:34", "text": ">> Yeah, that that tells there's a story"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "there, right? So, um, back when, like"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "back in the 80s, they believed that, um,"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "bodies were bad at getting folates out"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "of fruit and vegetable sources. They"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "reckoned it was only 50% efficient. 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Um but they"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "said, well, let's call it 100 because uh"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "you want to be able to replenish your"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "stores as well. You don't just want the"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "daily losses covered. And then they said"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "because of this 50% vegetable thing,"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "let's double it again to 200. So they"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "managed to get to a situation where the"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "number the committee decided was the"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "same number that they were still"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "recommending. So there was no egg on"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "anyone's face. And then in the '9s that"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "same nutrition board was infiltrated by"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "the pharmaceutical industry who were"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "making folic acid. So companies like RO"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "and a whole load of other companies"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "managed to get into the decision-making"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "government board who are meant to be"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "representing the public and they redid"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "the sums on how much you needed and they"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "basically these companies managed to say"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "well you have to double it because of"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "the vegetables and the fruit. you know,"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "it's really hard to get it out of them."}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "So, they doubled the 200 to 400"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "micrograms. So, we've gone from needing"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "50 to being told you have to take 400 a"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "day. Now, you cannot get 400 a day from"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "any diet. It's impossible. So, the"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "companies have managed to get into a"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "position where nobody can achieve what"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "the recommended daily allowance is from"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "food. And you know, they've just made"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "themselves a market because there's no"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "way you can get to that number"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "otherwise. And then they say, well, you"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "you could just take folic acid, which is"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "100% bioavailable at 400 micrograms a"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "day, um, which is what you find in"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "supplements as a recommended daily"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "allowance. And it the um, breakfast"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "cereals end up with a huge amount in per"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "day. Special K in particular has um you"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "know I think it's I I'll get the number"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "wrong but it's it's well over 100"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "micrograms per bowl um just from that"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "one source. So the numbers are really a"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "mess. You know 50 micrograms a day is"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "not very much. And to be honest I can't"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "think of many diets where you would fail"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "to achieve that. Even if you're on a"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "carnivore diet which you know it's"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "mostly fruit veg that has it in. But"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "even on a carnivore diet if that's all"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "you're eating then you're going to get"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "enough. if it's 50 that you're aiming"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "for."}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:12", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. So, who makes it in in what"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "lab? There's got to be a story. It seems"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "to me, and I didn't look this up myself,"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "but you know, the fluoride lobby,"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "fluoride is a byproduct of industry, and"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "so it's kind of useful"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:26", "text": ">> to put it in our water. Uh, so, um, is"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "there a profit center? That would seem"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "fairly obvious if we looked into it."}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:33", "text": ">> So, there there are some big"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "multivitamin manufacturers in Germany."}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "Um, people keep telling me that we get a"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "lot of our folic acid from China, which"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "bothers me because, um, you know,"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "although I love Chinese people, the CCP"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "are are not keen on us succeeding"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "necessarily. And if they're putting"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "stuff directly into our food, that's"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "troubling, right?"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:56", "text": ">> Um, yeah. Um, so yeah, I a lot of people"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "have asked me, follow the money, follow"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "the money, CL, what who's profiting from"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "this? And it's a reasonable question,"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "and I've pursued it a bit, and I've"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "never really got anywhere. And I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "that you know there may well there may"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "well be a story there but I think in"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "addition to that story there is this"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "parallel story of people who have"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "careers in public health in um the food"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "and agriculture departments"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "um and in the nutrition advice"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "department. So there's three different"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "arms of government where people sit in"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "meetings for an entire career talking"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "about what to put into the food. Now if"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "you employ people to ask that question,"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "you're going to end up with stuff in"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:41", "text": "your food. It's just inevitable, isn't"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "it? And they think, well, I want you"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "I've got this career. I've dedicated my"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "life to this thing. I want something to"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "show for it. I'm not just going to sit"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "in these committees embassy and do"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "nothing. And I think I might save babies"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "if we put this into the flower. They"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "think they're saving babies. They"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "genuinely think they're saving babies"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "and that that will be their legacy for"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "their career to say that they did that."}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "So that that's a really big problem in"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "itself even if there wasn't a financial"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "motive."}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": ">> But don't these people study like hey"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "you know we don't we don't actually have"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "studies for this so maybe let's just not"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "do it. or are they just is there a do"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "you have a lobbying element to your"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "decision-m in the UK like we do here?"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:26", "text": ">> Uh yeah, in theory, yeah, I'm not I'm"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "well I think that you know farmer"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "manages to get lobbying to these types"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "of groups. I have no idea who they are"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "or how to approach them. So I'm not sure"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "there's any lobbying in that direction"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "that goes on. Um but yeah, in terms of"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "like the evidence base, the thing is"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "that these people are in a belief bubble"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "where the evidence has been looked at"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "for a long a long long period of time"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "and talked about for a long long period"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "of time through one lens. And when"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "you're in that culture, it's very hard"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "to say, \"Hey guys, what if this entire"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "belief system that you've built your"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "careers around might be wrong?\" Like,"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "how do you say that in the meeting? And"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "anyway, how do you come to believe that"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "yourself? Because you know, if you said"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "that that's your career over,"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:10", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:12", "text": ">> So, you know, I don't think there is"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "that kind of debate happening. I don't"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "think that there is that sort of"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "openness and questioning that science"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "requires in that circumstance when"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "you're not actually doing the science."}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:27", "text": "They're not researchers. They are civil"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "servants who are making decisions in an"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "environment where they've surrounded"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "themselves by people who think like"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:35", "text": ">> Right? So for the rest of us who would"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "like to avoid it in our food, if you"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "were an American, you would have to read"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "the labels on flour and then make sure"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "that the bread that you're buying is not"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "bleached flour but whole flour, right?"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "So can you give us some tips on how to"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "avoid it?"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:52", "text": ">> Um I think I can. So if there there it's"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "different in different states a little"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "bit, but the key is the word enriched."}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "So in the states if flour is labeled"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "enriched it can have nascin thamine"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "folic acid added to it but if it's"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "non-enriched it mustn't non-enriched"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "flour should be free of those things and"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "I think it's true in the states that if"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "it says organic it doesn't have"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "synthetic things put into it um and also"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "in the states the the legislation it is"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "a bit as I said it's different for every"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "state potentially but it was aimed at"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "bread. So you don't have the same"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "problem we have where they've done it"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "very clumsily which actually I mean you"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "know they've done it so badly it's"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "really easy to take it apart. So here"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "they've said well it's going to be all"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "white flour including imported and"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "organic. So there's no way out and even"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "whole meal bread is made with a bit of"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "white flour. So there's no bread you can"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "eat. And that and that flour gets into"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "the sauces and the you know the rice"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "bowls and the"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "oven chips and things you would not"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "think to look at the label of"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:08", "text": ">> rice bowls. Why would it be in rice?"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:13", "text": ">> I think it stops it sticking."}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:17", "text": ">> Okay. So but if you if you um cook rice"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "from from dry then it should not be"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "there. Although there are already"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "experts in the UK writing in the BMJ"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "that they want to fortify our rice."}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:27", "text": ">> Oh for goodness sakes."}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:30", "text": ">> I know they and that's the trouble like"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "with these people you know you've got to"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "stop them because if you don't stop they"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "will just do more and more. And the the"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "what they are doing with folic acid is"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "they are massmedicating"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "the entire population. And if we don't"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "say no, you are not allowed to put drugs"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "in people's food, then one they want to"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "put another drug into the food, they've"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "got a precedent. Like we must not let"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "them have this precedent. It's too"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "important to say, look, you cannot do"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "that. It's unethical. And I do question"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "actually how the law came to pass in"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "this country because um it was mostly"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "worked up with conservative governments"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "with all their various prime ministers"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "that we've had recently. and um and then"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "the the Labor government got in and then"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "in November it got signed off by Labor."}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "So both sort of sides have some"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "responsibility here but they never had a"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "debate. There was no debate in the House"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "of Commons. Now the point of having a"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "debate in the House of Commons is that"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "MPs can say well hang on what about my"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "constituents who've got cancer and have"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "to avoid this and you know what about"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "you know people that don't want to have"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "it what about them and what about the"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "ethics and what about the question of"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "mass medicating the population. None of"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "those questions have been debated. And"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "so if you go and think you're being so"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:51", "text": "clever and bypass the democratic"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "process, you end up looking like a total"}, {"start": "00:37:51", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "idiot because, you know, the poor"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "purpose of democracy in debate is to"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "actually think things through and think"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "about consequences. But not everybody's"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "going to think of all the consequences"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "on their own. They just won't,"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": ">> right? And so you might think, you know,"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "oh, okay, I'm just going to not buy"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "these products and I'll be fine. But,"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "you know, your kids might be fed it in"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "schools when they get a cookie. Your the"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "local bakery will have it because most"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "likely they're not using organic flour."}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "Um, it will be in places where you least"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "expect it. Uh, let's take a break"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "quickly and then I want if you could"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "please tell us about your petition to"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "stop this and what that process is like."}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "We want to tell you about our friends at"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "Webroot because back to school season is"}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "basically a reset for the whole family."}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "New schedules, homework, activities, and"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "a lot more time spent online between"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "laptops, phones, tablets, all those"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "accounts and passwords. 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Okay, before the"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "break, uh Dr. Claire Craig is joining us"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "and she's talking about her efforts to"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "stop the UK government from adding uh"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "folic acid to the food supply. Here is"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "an image of her petition. Tell me about"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "this process. uh it closes in December"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "and what you how you hope it to unfold."}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": ">> Um right so this is a a petition to our"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "parliament. So I think you have an"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "equivalent white house petition scheme"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "in the US where you can have specific"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "issues raised."}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:26", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:29", "text": ">> Yeah. And so this is our one and if you"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "get to a 100,000 signatures then that"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "triggers a debate in the House of"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "Commons. So this is just us saying look"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "you need to talk about this. You can't"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "just let this go through without a"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "debate. So it's a, you know, there's"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "really no reason why the whole world"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "shouldn't sign it if you're in the UK"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "because it's just about saying we need a"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "de democratic discussion about it. It"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "doesn't mean you have to be on one side"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "or the other. Um, and so that was, you"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "know, that's sort of my small effort so"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "far in trying to push back against this."}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "We've also got ways people can write to"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "their MP and that kind of thing. But to"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "be honest, like it it's slightly"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "daunting to see how we can push back on"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "it when um you know when this it's like"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "a runaway train the way these things are"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "and there's a lot of political momentum"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "behind it. A lot of companies have spent"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "money changing their processes and"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:19", "text": "changing their packaging designs and all"}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "of that. So like to undo what's happened"}, {"start": "00:41:19", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "is going to be it would be something of"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "a miracle if it didn't go through. I"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "don't I would I would I you know I will"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "pray for a miracle. Let's let's try and"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "stop it. But yeah,"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:34", "text": ">> um I was wrong. It's change.org. I just"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "made up petition.go just came into my"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "head and I thought that's what it"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:39", "text": ">> No, no, no, no. There is a there is a"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "White House one specific to the"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "political campaigns."}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:47", "text": ">> Okay. All right. Um and so I mean it's"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "very similar to how the COVID vaccine"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "was pushed forth because there was not a"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "debate about it and in fact the debate"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "was stymied. uh we were on YouTube at"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "the time. We couldn't say things like"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "natural immunity or hydroxychloricquin"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "or ivormectin. We can say those things"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "now,"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:05", "text": ">> but those things would have had our"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "channel punished. Um so maybe you want"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "to share with us how your research into"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "the COVID pandemic led you here."}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:17", "text": ">> Um yeah. Okay. So um I um you know I'm a"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "pathologist. So I was practicing"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "medicine. I had actually kind of taken a"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "slight detour into um into other kind of"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "diagnostic work in the private sector,"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "but I just had concerns about COVID"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "testing in the summer of 2020. So, I"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "believed all in spring 2020. I was, you"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "know, I was totally sort of swept up in"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "the whole hysteria. Um, and it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "until the summertime when the wave had"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "passed and we had this steady trickle of"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "cases and deaths being called COVID"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "every day. And I was thinking, \"This is"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "odd.\" You know, it looks like it could"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "just be testing errors that they're"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "pretending are the same as if it was"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:57", "text": "full-blown COVID. But I couldn't"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "concentrate on it and like dig into the"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "data until September when my children"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "went back to school because it was just"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "frantic in our house. So, they went back"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "to school. I dug into the data and I"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "showed that the people who had summer"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "COVID were completely different to the"}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:15", "text": "people who'd had spring CO in terms of"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "things like um the ethnic makeup of"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "them. The fact that um in spring 60% of"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "the deaths were male and in summer it"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "was 50/50. The time it took between a"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "diagnosis and dying which was relatively"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "quick in the spring and it became like"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "ridiculously long um in the summertime."}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "So that's like all of the things that"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "you would expect if you were just"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:39", "text": "randomly tagging people who walked"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "through the hospital door. You know,"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "you're going to get a mortality rate if"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "you did that is exactly what it looked"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "like a positive test was producing. And"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "also it was a very very steady"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "percentage every single day of the test"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "done, which is what a testing error"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "looks like. And I still believed all the"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "rest of it. It was just that one thing."}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "And um I was persuaded to set up a"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "social media account because that was"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "not my thing. and to set up a blog and"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "just say it and just, you know, put my"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "name to that and say I'm this is my area"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "of expertise as a problem. And I"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "genuinely thought that either people"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "would say, \"Oh, yeah, that is a problem."}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "Let's fix it.\" Or, \"Oh, no, that's not a"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "problem because duh,\" and I would be"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "wrong and they'd tell me that I was"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "wrong and that would be fine. But that's"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "not what happened. Neither of those"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "things happened. So instead I kind of"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "went through the the door to the other"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "side and in got introduced to all these"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "people who were experts in their own"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "area who had had doubts and expressed"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "concerns and had been ostracized and"}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "attacked the way I was being. And so I"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "got to meet all of these people who are"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "brilliant people. I didn't know they"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:49", "text": "were brilliant at the time. So I kind of"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "had to do a lot of reading to figure out"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:53", "text": "if they were mad or not."}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:56", "text": ">> Right. It's it was a weird time when we"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "were thinking like I think this but the"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "media tells me that makes me crazy. So"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "then when I hear other people saying"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "that I have to sus out if I think"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "they're crazy or not. And I mean I"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "remember like watching John Campbell and"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "I'm like he looks really normal. I don't"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "I don't think he's a tin hat where what"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "Okay. So I think everything he's saying"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "makes sense to me. Am I allowed to"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "believe that? You know, now I feel like"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "we don't do that quite as often, like"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "assess the whole person. We just we've"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "learned what are they saying? Does that"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "make sense to me? But man, what an"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "exercise that was for the rest of us."}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:33", "text": ">> It was it was really hard work. And the"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "thing is that I had been um sort of my"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "working in this tiny startup and it"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "ended in May 2020. So, I was not working"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "in September 2020 and my kids are back"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "at school and so I actually had the time"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "to do that background reading and to"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "figure out who was saying what and why"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "and what it all meant from first"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "principles. And I just worked my socks"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "off for it took I think it took about"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "six months to figure out what was really"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "going on. Um, and of course that was six"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "months of full-time work, but most"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "doctors can't do that. They're working"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "and they have their own families and you"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:10", "text": ">> right? So most doctors didn't do that."}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "They were still relying on BBC and the"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "lunch break to figure out what was"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "happening."}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:19", "text": ">> Yes. And the sort of maligning of"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "independent thinkers, you know, that's"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "why now we have so much distrust of the"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "medical industry. Uh because and and we"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:30", "text": "still have we still have um the"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "mainstream media is not interested in"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "vaccine injury. They just will not tell"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "the story. uh they will not tell the"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "story of the boosters which still exist."}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "Um we still have you know patients being"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "sorted in in my portal in the US we have"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "medical portals that you know you"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "arrange visits with your doctor and such"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "and it still says you are due for a co"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "booster at the very top of the portal"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:58", "text": ">> what's that based on you know the"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "practice I originally took my children"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "to when the co vaccine was um no longer"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "recommended for children they said we"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "are going to try and find ways to get it"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "to you. They sent out a mass email and I"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "thought, why are they trying to give it"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "to people if it's no longer recommended?"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "Like, we will diagnose you with some"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "kind of, you know, high-risisk disease"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "with which shows that you would need it."}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "Yeah. And I saved the email. I was"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:27", "text": ">> I was indignant about this that, you"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "know, they said only high-risisk"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "individuals can get it now. That's who"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "it's recommended for. And they said if"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "you need this diagnosis, come in. You"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "don't you don't have that. You're just"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "saying, \"I want it.\" What does your"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "emotion have to do with your medical"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "need? That's outrageous."}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:46", "text": ">> It is outrageous. And it's feeding into"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "this whole I mean, the whole thing was"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "highly emotional, wasn't it? People got"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "swept up in a psychological hysteria. It"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "was like a cult. And and so yeah, that"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "that's where it all came from. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "even the people saying we'll lie about"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "your health to give this to you where"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "you know they weren't necess well"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "obviously that is quite manipulative for"}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "their own gain but maybe they are"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "equally emotional thinking that's the"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "best thing to do to save these people."}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "They think they're saving people don't"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "they? Um so yeah that is a huge problem"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "but just to just to like put a mirror up"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "to what that was like on the other side"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "you know doctors who were not lying"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "about people having conditions but were"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "writing exemptions on the basis of"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "medical ethics saying that somebody"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "didn't want to have it and medical"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "ethics was enough of a reason for an"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "exemption lost their careers. So, you"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "know, you've got people prepared to lie"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "about a medical record in order to get"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "someone injected and nothing happens at"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "all. That someone not lying loses their"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "career when they're talking about"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "medical ethics and trying to get people"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "to not be injected."}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:49", "text": ">> Now, I'll just bring it back around to"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "folic acid uh to finish our"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "conversation, but I hope I get to talk"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "to you some other time. It's been a"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "delight. Um, I remember I started in"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "college as a kinesiology major and I"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "took a nutrition class and I remember"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "learning about folic acid and vitamin B9"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "and that you get it from dark green"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "leafy vegetables and it was taught that"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "it's great and it's really hard to get"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "it naturally. So if you get it in a"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "vitamin just do it absolutely. We were"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "not taught the nuances that one's a"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "synthetic and one comes from food. And"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "so what do you think doctors know? If"}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "this is what I got from my university"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "education, do doctors know this? If you"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "talk to your doctor, are you going to"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "get a blank stare?"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": ">> You'll get a blank stare. And and if you"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "talk to me two years ago, you'd have had"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "the same blank stare. So, you know, this"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "is so I was definitely in that in that"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "kind of vein of thinking. So, I'd gone"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "through medical school and I, you know,"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "we'd been taught about vitamins and and"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "vitamins are food and and yeah, you can"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "get it in a pill, but it would be the"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "same molecule. I would have believed it"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "was the same molecule because otherwise"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "that's a bit weird, isn't it? Um, and I"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "also completely believed the idea that"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "it was helping pregnant women and babies"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "and that it was one of the great"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "successes of public health of my"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "lifetime and I took it for all of my"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "pregnancies. Um, so you know, I I was"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:13", "text": "definitely a believer in that whole"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:15", "text": "thing. Um, and and so, you know, I would"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "say to that"}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "if you speak to pretty much any doctor,"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "they're going to think like that."}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "They're just going to think like that."}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "And you see it in response to things I'm"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "saying about it online. People saying,"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "\"Do what what's wrong with you? It's"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "only a vitamin.\" And, you know, don't"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "you want to help stop people having your"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "tube defects? And and there was a there"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "was a kind of interesting moment in this"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "journey that I went on where I started"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "off with harms. So, I'd got to the point"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "of thinking, okay, this stuff can cause"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "proper harm. But I still hadn't looked"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "at all at the benefit side, and I'm"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "like, if I say this stuff causes harm,"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "people are going to accuse me of wanting"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "to, you know, harm babies and I don't"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:55", "text": "really want to be accum I would say it"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "anyway. I don't really want to be"}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "accused of harming babies. So, let me"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "just see actually how much benefit there"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "is. Like, let's just look at the numbers"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "and see how good it is. which is when I"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "then discovered all this stuff about the"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "babies dying. And so you think, oh,"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:13", "text": "honestly, this is just this is just"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "ridiculous. You know, the the evidence"}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "that it's beneficial is based on dead"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:21", "text": "babies. And then the CDC in 2011,"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "they did this important retrospective"}, {"start": "00:51:21", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "observational study to say, look what we"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "did and aren't we brilliant? Um and they"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "looked at they basically got a graph of"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "live births with neural tube defects and"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "they showed how it was uh high although"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "it had been falling and falling and"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:40", "text": "falling. They didn't show that bit there"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "it was high and then during the 90s it"}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "falls falls falls and then the mandate"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "comes in and it it plateaus. It doesn't"}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "really but they say oh the fall was"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "before the mandate when it was voluntary"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "and everyone was getting ready to do it"}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "and say that's when the benefit"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "happened. But if you look at the same"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "data in Europe, it looks exactly the"}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "same. Like we were not fortifying the"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "FL, but we had the same drop at the same"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "time. And the reason we had a drop in"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "live births at that time is because the"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "diagnostic ultrasounds were becoming"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "much more sensitive at spotting these"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "problems at very early on in pregnancy"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "and these babies were being aborted."}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "That's what was happening. And when you"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "look at the same European data doing the"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "same drop in live births and you add"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "back in the terminations which the"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "Europeans have got a good handle on data"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "wise and in the US it's just harder to"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "collect that data the the numbers didn't"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "change. It was just it was a plateau. So"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "like the the terminations caused that"}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "decline. So you've got the dead babies"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "in the trial giving you trial evidence"}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "and then the dead babies in the"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "observational data giving you that"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "observational evidence. It's not great"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:50", "text": "to have a drug that where the evidence"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "base is based on dead babies like that."}, {"start": "00:52:50", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "That's way way worse than"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:59", "text": ">> I mean, since your report, I I looked"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "and I saw that it's in my multivitamin,"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "so I'm going to change that out. And,"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "you know, you have to really Yeah. I'm"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "not I have not given"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "uh informed consent."}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:13", "text": ">> Informed consent. Right. Yeah. So I"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:17", "text": "think it will be in in most"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "multivitamins. You can get methile"}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "folate."}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:23", "text": ">> So methile folate is the reduced form"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:25", "text": "and you can get you know from health"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "food shops or whatever methile folate."}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "But I would just say just eat good food."}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "I don't think you need to take any of"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "these things if you're just eating good"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "food because if you're trying to get 50"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "micrograms"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:38", "text": ">> then you can get that very easily from"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "any diet. It's when you're trying to get"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "to 400 that you're never going to make"}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "it because it's way way too much."}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:47", "text": ">> Right. Well, thank you for uh joining me"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "today. My guest has been Dr. Claire"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "Craig. You can find her on X at Claire"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "Craig Path. Uh and uh the book you can"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "see behind her. It's called Spiked, A"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "Shot in the Dark. We didn't talk much"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "about CO, but maybe we can some other"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "time."}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:04", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah. Thank you ever so much."}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:04", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "Heat."}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:56", "text": "Heat."}]

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Fore"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "balcony for canal."}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "Fore"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "speech."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "Fore"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "Billych."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "for"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "Bill."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "Mostly miss it."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Superchech."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "Foreman."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "He and his wife were at home after"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "supper one time when a neighbor lady"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "came to the door to borrow a cup of"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "sugar. And as his wife looked out over"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "the neighbor lady's head, she saw the"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "pinkish orange light, which she"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "recognizes naturally. She's seen it"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "enough times, she knows what it is. It's"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "Bill's friend. So she says, \"Bill, your"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "your friend is out here.\" And he came"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "and looked. She says, \"By golly, it is.\""}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "He said, \"I think I'll get my jacket and"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "go out and take a look, better look at"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "it. It was flying the what they have now"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "recognized as a peculiar triangular"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "pattern along the power lines that run"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "down the Ashley River there.\" And so he"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "got his jacket on and a binoculars, put"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "them around his neck and walked out the"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "door in his little trailer park where"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "his trailer home was parked and acrossed"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "a a shallow nearly dry damp ditch and up"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "onto a railroad track that ran about uh"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "15 10 or 15 feet above the level of the"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "trailer park. He got up on the track and"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "started walking down the track, watching"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "it, flying these triangular patterns"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "over the power lines ahead of him,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "probably two or three miles away, which"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "is not in the air. That's not very far."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "And he he had his binoculars out looking"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "at the object when it dropped out of the"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "binoculars. It dropped like a stone. And"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "he lowered the binoculars to see where"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "it crashed and he saw it just over the"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "water of the Ashley River at water"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "level. and he thought, \"Oh my god, it's"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "crashed right into the river.\" When at"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "that point it it it approached and"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "filled the sky like that and it came so"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "fast and so big and and and so close he"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "shied back like that and caught his foot"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "on the rail of the railroad track and"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "began to fall. And he put his hands out"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "to see what you know there's a jagged"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "rocks down there. You can get skinned up"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "pretty good to see what he was falling"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "on. And he noticed he was not falling."}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "He was rising away from the rocks. and"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "the reeds tall grass was bro blowing"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "away from him in in in waves and he"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "looked back and he's above the railroad"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "track and he's going up in a blue beam"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "of light."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": ">> I was about like this just looking at it"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "and then I just fell back like this"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": ">> and and at this point I stopped falling."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "Oh,"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> that's why I couldn't understand cuz I"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "there"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": ">> like this and then the light was all the"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "way around me and I pu went to push my"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "hand through and I couldn't,"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": ">> you know, I couldn't move."}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Right at this spot."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> At this spot"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": ">> because the object filled the area from"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "that bush to that bush. It just filled"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "the area."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": ">> The light came from the looked like it"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "came from the edge. Didn't come. At"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "first, I thought it came from the"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "bottom,"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "but after the hypnosis and after the"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "recall, I realized that it didn't come"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "so much from the bottom as it did from"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "the edge of the object."}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> You know, the rim around the rim."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> He said that the the light felt it like"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "uh a a low voltage electrical current"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "just like that, a a cyclic tugging up"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "the beam of light until And he looked up"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "and it looked like it went into a cloud."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "He the beam was so coherent he put his"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "arm out and the arm went out of the beam"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "and he could pull it back in. It's in"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "the beam again. He didn't touch anything"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "going through and and he rose up and"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "when he got into the cloud he passed out"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "and woke up on an examining table and"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "that's uh the time in between he didn't"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "remember anything. Of course when he"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "first came back he didn't really"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "remember a whole lot of that either."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "That took time to develop the the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "details by stressing his memory to get"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "First thing I remember looking at was"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "this bar of lights flashing slowly above"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "my head."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> Now, this is what the bar of lights look"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": ">> laying on a table. Your head is up here."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:14", "text": ">> And you're looking up."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> You see blue, green, red, blue, green,"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> green, blue, red, green, blue, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "back and forth."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> Flash, flash, flash, flash, flash,"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "flash, flash, flash, flash, flash. And"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "it was doing this. And the slower this"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "went,"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "the more conscious I became, the more"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "able to wake up and look and look around"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "me. When I what I saw when I woke up,"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "it's like it's"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "it's hard to really sometimes grasp, but"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "it was like I thought in my mind there"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "were doctors or I've been hurt. I'"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "fallen when I I remembered the train"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "tracks. I didn't remember the object as"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "much as I remembered falling with the"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "train tracks. And I remember falling and"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "I thought, \"Oh, I must have broken my"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "back. I must have somebody must have"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "found me and I'm in a hospital.\" Uh, you"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "know, and all these thoughts were racist"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "to my heads until"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "three people that were standing there"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "turned and looked at me."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": ">> And I had noticed that before they had"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "turned, they were looking at this bar of"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "lights flashing on the ceiling."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": ">> And they were looking at a box that"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "seemed to be off to the side at my feet."}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "Uhhuh. And the box was connected to the"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "bed. You could tell it was connected by"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "wires to the bed I was laying on or the"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "table or whatever it was."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "And when they turned and looked at me,"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "it was like"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "all kinds of emotions just surged to the"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "surface at once. Now, this is a sketch"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "of what I believe I saw standing next to"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "my bed or table or whatever you want to"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "call it."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "4 and 1/2 ft tall with a red garment."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "looked like a pullover jumpsuit. Not not"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "pajamas. It's more military looking."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "And uh the eyes were spaced apart like"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "ovals with circles inside, dark circles."}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "And the uh uh occupant when they like"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "when they told me to get up and it was"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "okay, I heard the voice, but I did not"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "see the lips move. I heard it as clear"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "as you hear my voice."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": ">> You heard it in English."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": ">> In English. It was in English. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": ">> perfect English. Not not accented, not"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "deep, not high, just English."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": ">> I felt afraid because I know what was"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "going on. I felt like this is totally"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "foreign everything I believe."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "What is going on here? Why am I here?"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "What is this?"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "All these thoughts going through my"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "head. And all he could say was, \"Don't"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "be afraid.\""}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "You know, it's like all my emotions and"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "fears were just tossed aside by the"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "comforting assurance of what he said to"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "me. just don't be afraid, have no fear"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "or something to that effect. Uh come the"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "time is limited or something about like"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "that. The object itself is like a like a"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "round pancake shape."}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:08", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": ">> With a dome on top and a dome on the"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "bottom."}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": ">> But it looked sealed and metal. In other"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "words, it you didn't see no windows or"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "no holes or nothing. It moved in a"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "circle above I'd say about 800 to,000"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "maybe 1500 ft above the ground."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:28", "text": ">> Mhm. And it moved in uh not as as"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "obvious triangles but kind of in a"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "flowing graceful dynamical fashion."}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": ">> I mean just sliding in across the sky,"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "you know, not doing anything that would"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "give it an impression it would lose"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "control."}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": ">> It in spite of its erratic behavior, you"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "could tell it was in total control of"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "itself. I mean, there was just it was it"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "was the most be one of the most"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "beautiful displays of aerodynamics I've"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "ever seen. as far as being involved in"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "this subject."}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:57", "text": ">> So, you tried to take a picture?"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": ">> I tried. The first shot, I believe the"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "first shot I took came out empty sky. It"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "was moving so fast."}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": ">> I mean, it would go up like this and"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "come back like this."}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": ">> Come around like that. And just watching"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "it was, you know, it was hard"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": ">> because when it would go that way, I'd"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "run across the field and I'm trying to"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "get it in a viewfinder."}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> And I took about four or five shots like"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": ">> Uhhuh. And I believe two or three of"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "them came out and two came out empty"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "sky."}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": ">> They uh took him to a control panel and"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "sat him down in one of the seats. His"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "escort who is speaking to him in his"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "language. He hears it in his language."}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "He hears it in his ears just like"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "surround sound. And he he tells him uh"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "look. And they pointed to the screen."}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "And another ship just like the one they"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "were in joined them. And then the two"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "ships went rapidly again south over"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "continents or over countries and"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "continents topography geography changing"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "just like it's unrolling rapidly. And"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "they and they approached ground again"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "the surface down over Argentina. They"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "took him to again to an underwater"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "facility in the Rio Saul which runs out"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "of a big freshwater lake a big lake in"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "northern Argentina. and the river runs"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "for through Santa Fe, a little town of"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "not such a little town, big town of"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "Santa Fe. And his his escort standing"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "beside him. Now, the escort's not"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "buckled into anything. He's just"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "standing there and and Herman is sitting"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "in a seat, but he's not fastened in"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "either. And the the the craft he's in"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "tilts down at an angle and goes into the"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "water and goes under the water and uh"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "and and there's no inertial change to"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "him. He feels no inertial changes and"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "his partner is still standing there"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "beside him. and the partner touches him"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "on the shoulder and says, \"We were"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "observed over Santa Fe. There'll be"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "reports in the paper tomorrow about"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "UFOs.\""}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "And uh uh they went to the underwater"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "facility and and being explained to him"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "that they they installed this facility"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "to carry out certain hydrodnamic tests"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "in our water because our water was"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "different from their water. On the way"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "back, they showed me uh the reactions of"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "people observing their craft and the"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "scene said, \"Walk over here.\" And I"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "walked up to the looked like a cross"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "between an open window and a television"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "set."}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": ">> Oh, it didn't it looked like a TV and"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "then it was like this, but it looked"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "like an open window that I could just"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "stick my hand through it is what it"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "looked like. I looked through the"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "monitor and you could see there was a"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "road. There was trees on both sides of"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "the road"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": ">> and it looked like a orange grove or or"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "some kind of big field and there was a"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "road running adjacent to it"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": ">> and there was two cars pulled over. One"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "was a pinnel station wagon, a Ford Penel"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "station wagon and the other one was a"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "Buick Electra."}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": ">> And the uh there was a lady in the Pinno"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "and there was a man in the Buick."}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:56", "text": ">> Mhm. And the lady was standing outside"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "the passenger door looking up like this."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> And the man was just standing there like"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "this. And I'm standing inside this"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "object looking at that. And it was like"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "it zoomed up on the people. And he says,"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "\"Now watch what happens.\" The one that"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "was next to me, he said, \"Watch what"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "happens when we move closer.\" The minute"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "he said that, you saw the girl. It"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "seemed illogical, but you could tell it"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "was out of fear. She ran around the"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "front of her car and jumped in the"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "passenger side, reached over there and"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "locked her door. He did. The man"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "standing up. He just calmly looked like"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "he was trying to keep us cool. Just sat"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "down and got in the car and locked the"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "door."}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": ">> Now he says, \"Now watch her. She's going"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "to hold the lock down.\""}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": ">> And the only indication of any hostility"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "was what he said next when he said, he"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "says, \"A foolish gesture if we wish to"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "direct observe."}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "after the examination and they're"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "escorting around the ship and as they're"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "starting to walk through the ship, his"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "his host, his guide, uh said that they"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "would like him and he said, \"We I wonder"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "if you could uh make some arrangement"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "with your government to release uh a"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "damaged vehicle and one of our damaged"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "ships and the bodies of our people.\" And"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "he said, 'Oh, I don't have any"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "connections like that. There's nothing I"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "can do for you there. I don't know"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "anybody. I don't have any There's I'm a"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "nobody. I There's no way I can help you."}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "He said, 'Wh don't you do it yourself?"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "And the aliens said, \"We have tried.\""}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "They said, \"We sent an emissary to try"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "to negotiate a release. They tried to"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "capture the emissary, su successfully"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "escaped, got in his ship and took off."}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "They tried to shoot the ship down.\" He"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "said, \"They they're too hostile. We"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "can't deal with them. We we're looking"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "for an another way.\" And he said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "how did they crash anyway?\" And they"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "told him that they they were lost in the"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "western part of your land, they said in"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "quotes. And that uh they the first one"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "they they lost was a big surprise to"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "them. Then they noticed that there was a"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "beam, an energy beam being transmitted"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "in the area there and they thought that"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "it was a new weapon that we had used"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "against them. And uh when they lost the"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "second one, they became very concerned"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "because they think we're shooting them"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "down. And they they had even gone to the"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "trouble of contacting other associated"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "space traveling intelligences to consult"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "with them on the nature retaliation"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "should take for our hostile actions. And"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "while they were doing this, they noticed"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "that the beam continued to operate, that"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "the weapon continued to fire and was"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "running in a circle for, you know, when"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "it was running and it wasn't aimed at"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "anybody. And they decided that it was"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "something was not a weapon. It wasn't"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "what they thought it was."}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "They calculated though that the the"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "ships went out of control when that beam"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "locked on the ship on the the craft and"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "stayed on for 90 seconds or more. The"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "computer control system would burn out"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "and it went to e automatic emergency"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "landing mode and they didn't have any"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "control of it at all. And uh they"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "devised a shielding, a form of shielding"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "and changed their flight pattern to this"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "sharp angular change in direction that"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "Herman was reporting so that the radar"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "could not lock on and stay on for 90"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "seconds or more. It couldn't stay on for"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "more than two or three seconds and they"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "didn't lose any more ships after that."}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "Foreign"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "speech. Foreign speech. Foreign speech."}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "Fore!"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "Foreign! Foreign!"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "Fore"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "collapse."}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "Organism."}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "Fore"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "spectctor. Fore"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "speech."}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "Fore!"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "Foreign! Foreign!"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "Fore"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "magnets."}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "for"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "done."}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "Antarctica"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "Fore"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "naturality."}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "Fore"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "Fore"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "speech."}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "Foreign"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "speech. Foreign speech."}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "What happened, Bill?"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "I"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:24", "text": ">> saw the object."}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "What object did you see?"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:27", "text": ">> A disc"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "moving."}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "I pointed it out to my wife."}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "Just relax. Relax."}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "Stay where you are. Keep the program"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "where it is. Just relax."}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "You're unaware of any sound other than"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "my voice."}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": ">> It's moving over at the towers."}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "I can see it."}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "Patty, I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "I'm going to get a better look at this."}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "I'll be right back."}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "I better call Larry."}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "Larry, it's back over the area."}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "Right now? Yes."}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "Yes. I'm going up there now."}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "You try to get on the other side."}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "Okay. Bye."}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "I'll be right back."}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "What's happening though?"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:59", "text": ">> It's moving over the towers."}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "I can see it."}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "It's about"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "I don't know about,000 ft above the"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "towers."}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "It's moving in triangles."}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "I can't"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "what the"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "I want to break my neck."}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:23", "text": ">> What is this?"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": ">> It's all right."}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:33", "text": ">> Why you Why is it"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:33", "text": ">> You won't experience any discomfort."}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "Huh?"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:38", "text": ">> Just relax. What?"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:41", "text": ">> Wait a minute."}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "Look at the rate."}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "There's no wind and there's swing."}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "What?"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "Look at that size, man."}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "Good god."}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "That's a box car."}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "Where are you?"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "I don't know."}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "What's"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "Relax?"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "My shoes."}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "I can see my shoes. I'm lying down."}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "What's that?"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "It's like a stop light."}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:52", "text": ">> Where's the stop light?"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:53", "text": ">> It's on the ceiling."}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:55", "text": ">> What color?"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:58", "text": ">> Wait a minute."}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "It's not a stop light."}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "What kind of place?"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "This is what I do. Get hit by a train."}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "Wait, no. I"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "No, that can't be."}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "No,"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "wait a minute."}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "What do you see, Bill? Oh my."}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "The lights are slowing down. They're"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "flashing"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "on the ceiling. There's a light."}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "It's Who's that? They're bald."}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "Wait a minute. They're not bald. That's"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "just the way they look."}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "They're dressed alike."}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:02", "text": ">> What are they wearing?"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:02", "text": ">> They're wearing"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "some kind of suit"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "kind of leotards of some sort."}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:18", "text": ">> Are they humanoid?"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:20", "text": ">> The backs are to me."}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "They're looking at the light on the"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "ceiling."}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "They're looking at the"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "looking at my foot. No, they're not"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "looking at my foot. Looking at the box."}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "There's a box."}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "I can't move my arms. I want to sit up,"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "but I can't."}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "My clothes are on, but my my coat's"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "undone."}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "My shirt's unbuttoned. Is anything"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "attached to you?"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:55", "text": ">> It's cold."}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "Some kind of some kind of metal box."}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "Flat metal box."}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "It's cold, but it's not like water."}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:11", "text": ">> Where is the flat metal box? It's"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:11", "text": ">> on my chest."}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "Relax."}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "Relax. Oh god. What? Relax."}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "How are you?"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "Oh my god."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "What's happening now?"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:48", "text": ">> They're looking at me."}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "Oh god."}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "Don't be afraid."}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "Don't be afraid."}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "Don't be afraid."}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "Don't be afraid."}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "Don't be afraid."}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "They're standing there."}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "What do they look like?"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "They look like a"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "fetuses."}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:29", "text": ">> Like what?"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:30", "text": ">> Fetus."}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": ">> A fetus."}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:36", "text": ">> Yeah. A grown"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "fetus."}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "Wait a minute."}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "Can't be a fetus."}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "The light. That's about what it is. It's"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "the light in the room that makes them"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "look that way."}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "Look closely."}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "That's strange."}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "What strange girl?"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "the rise."}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "I don't have no whites."}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "I don't have"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "no whites. It's just It's just brown."}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "Just dark black brown."}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "Just a circle right in the socket."}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "Wizard."}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "What kind of How can they breathe but"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "nose?"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "Wait a minute."}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "Do they have a mouth?"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "It's a slip"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "a straight line."}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "Lips are"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "No lips."}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "That's weird."}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:18", "text": ">> Do they talk through their mouth?"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:18", "text": ">> I don't hear no talking."}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "Where are you from?"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "Who are you?"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "Answer me for God's sake."}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "Yes, it was broken once."}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:44", "text": ">> What was broken down?"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:44", "text": ">> When I was younger,"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "I fell off a sliding board. Broke it."}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "What was broken then?"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:58", "text": ">> My arm."}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:02", "text": ">> Who asked you?"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:04", "text": ">> He He asked me. He who?"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:05", "text": ">> The one on my left. He asked me."}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:08", "text": ">> How did he ask you?"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": ">> I don't know, but I"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:13", "text": ">> I heard him."}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:18", "text": ">> Did he use his mouth?"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:18", "text": ">> This is How can he talk in his lips?"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:24", "text": ">> All right. Go ahead."}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:24", "text": ">> Where are you?"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "Where are you from?"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "All I remember is the pain. It was"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "intense. It hurt."}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "Bill. Bill, stay where you are. I want"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "you to tell me the questions they asked"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "you when you answered. Do you"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "understand?"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:56", "text": ">> Concentrate"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "on what it was like."}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "Be still and concentrate"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "very well."}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "He's moving a box off my arm."}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "You can tell my arm is broken by looking"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:29", "text": "at the box."}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:29", "text": "For goodness sakes, that was so mama."}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:38", "text": ">> Two legs."}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:38", "text": ">> Did you see their hands?"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:44", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:44", "text": ">> How many fingers did they have?"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:50", "text": ">> They're all the same size."}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "lengthwise."}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "I have"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "four"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "fingers"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "it looks like a thumb, but it's the same"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "size as the fingers."}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": ">> So, that's a total of what?"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:17", "text": ">> Five."}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "Yes. Five."}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:20", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:22", "text": ">> All right. Now you're"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:23", "text": ">> Go ahead."}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:25", "text": ">> My hand is weird."}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": ">> Why is it weird?"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:29", "text": ">> You can't see any creases or knuckles,"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "there's no kind of"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "It almost looks like they're rubbery."}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "Almost"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "flexible."}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:45", "text": ">> Can they manipulate them very well?"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:49", "text": ">> They seem to be stationary."}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:52", "text": ">> They're stationary. I mean, they don't"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "bend them. When they bend them, they"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "bend the whole hand."}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:41:03", "text": ">> All right, Bill. Let's go from"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "They can't even be four feet tall. How"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "tall?"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:12", "text": ">> Four 4 and 1/2 ft. They can't even be"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "that tall. My goodness, they're small."}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "Look at this."}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "like marshmallow."}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "He touched me."}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "Look, this"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "you can you can tell there's bone under"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "there,"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "but you can't tell. It's weird."}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "Good grief. What color are they?"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:45", "text": ">> Very pale. Very milky."}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:48", "text": ">> Is it a skin-like texture?"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "Look skin."}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "Everything's the same."}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "No hair, no pores, just skin."}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "It's weird."}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:05", "text": ">> How did you feel when this being touched"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "you?"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:10", "text": ">> Like he was very,"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "very"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "peaceful."}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "Like I had nothing to worry about."}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "All right. Now, what happens?"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:27", "text": ">> We're walking."}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "We're going toward the door."}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "The room is weird."}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "It's different."}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "I don't see any."}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "It's strange."}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "There's no creases,"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "no borders."}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "And then"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "the door is smaller than the back of the"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "room."}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "It's weird."}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "It's distorted."}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:05", "text": ">> What in what way is it distorted?"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:08", "text": ">> I can't. This is It's like everything"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "is molded into a shape"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "and it doesn't stop. It just goes"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "straight out the door."}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "just molded"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "like like a bathroom tub."}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:29", "text": ">> Just molded. That's all I can think of."}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:33", "text": ">> Go ahead."}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:35", "text": ">> We're walking. We turn We turn left."}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "The one who talked to me is standing"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "beside me. The other two are behind us."}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "We're walking down the hall."}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "We pass the room."}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "The door is open."}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "We go to another room."}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "We go in it."}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "The hall. It winds in a circle."}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "Everything's the same color."}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:11", "text": ">> You said the hall wound in a circle. Did"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "it wind in a circle up and down?"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:17", "text": ">> Just both directions is a circle."}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:25", "text": ">> It's hard to relate it."}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:25", "text": ">> Did you traverse that?"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:30", "text": ">> Everything's molded the same way."}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "Council control center."}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:36", "text": ">> Council control control center."}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "Cons console."}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:39", "text": ">> Console."}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:40", "text": ">> Cons. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:44", "text": ">> console."}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:47", "text": ">> Yeah, that's what he said. Console"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:47", "text": ">> control center."}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "All the network craft"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "are controlled"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "from similar centers."}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:03", "text": ">> Network craft."}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:03", "text": ">> It's the term"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "Busting out."}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "What?"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "Why?"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:24", "text": ">> What did you say?"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:24", "text": ">> Said they manipulate gravity."}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:32", "text": ">> No, they manipulate the equilibrium"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "in the gravity."}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "How did you ask him"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "and hydrodnamics"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "and reverse osmosis?"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "A technique of reverse osmosis."}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "They've been doing this roughly 50"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "It's uncomprehendable"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "for me to understand."}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:19", "text": ">> Why are they telling me this?"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:21", "text": ">> Bill, let me ask you a question. Did"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "they"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "at any time"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "promise you or"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "uh tell you that you in any way would"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "remain in contact with them?"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:47", "text": ">> Speak it. He said"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "that they have means"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "to contact those they wish to contact."}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "He said"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "we will meet again."}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:12", "text": ">> Did he say when?"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "No."}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:22", "text": ">> All right, you're back in the console"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "control room. Now, what happens?"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:28", "text": ">> The light on the"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "checkerboard is"}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "flashing"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "on and off."}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "First red, then white, then red, then"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "white. And those balls to their left and"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "right"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "are spinning."}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "And the one sitting at the desk,"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "the one who spoke to me said that I"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "couldn't go and look"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "and I walk. And when I do, the one"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "sitting at the desk get up and step"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "back."}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "What happens?"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> They step back."}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "And when I move away from their desk,"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "they sit down."}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:23", "text": ">> Did any of them at any time touch you"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "other than the uh one who helped you"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "from the table?"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:27", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "They look familiar."}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:35", "text": ">> You're in control center now"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:36", "text": ">> where the lights flash red and white and"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "red and white."}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:42", "text": ">> Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "Yes. He's motioning me around the room."}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "I'm looking. Everything looks"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "funny little writing on the corner of"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "every block."}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "It looks like squiggles,"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "lines."}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:02", "text": ">> Can you read it?"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:04", "text": ">> No, it's"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "it's different."}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:08", "text": ">> All right, Bill. I'll tell you what I"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "want you to do now. I would like very"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "much for you to move your time to the"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "point where they release you. Just"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "a few minutes right before they release"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "you. Now, what happens?"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "We're walking down the hall."}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:33", "text": "We've left the down the place where the"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "propulsion was,"}, {"start": "00:49:33", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "the the the big round balls."}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "We went in a little closet, some kind of"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "little room. We walk back up"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "like a diagonal hallway into a little"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "closet and the door behind us shuts and"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "the one in front of us opens. But when"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "you step into it, you don't see no door."}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "It's like the seamless or something."}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "It's just you can't even tell it's there"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "until it opens."}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "The uh"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "one tells me that the time has arrived."}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "Something about the time has arrived."}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "That they're sorry for the"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "stress that's going to result from my"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "release."}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "But those sympathetic"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "to my experience will help. Although the"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "majority will reject it."}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "They say we're we're going to meet"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "again."}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "That's what he said. We're going we will"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "meet again."}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:45", "text": "They motion me on the table. And the"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "minute I touch the table,"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "the light on the ceiling starts to flash"}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "very slowly."}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "And then fast."}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "And as I lay down,"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "they step back from the table."}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:15", "text": ">> Did they place any restraints on you?"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:15", "text": ">> I just lay on the table."}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "The other one,"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:25", "text": "he walks to the table."}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:25", "text": "And he"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "he's putting the binoculars around my"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "neck. He must have had the binoculars"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "the entire time."}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "The lights flashing and they're standing"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "Wait a minute."}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "Huh?"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "I'm looking down on my feet."}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "There's a glow at my feet."}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "was I got"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "soul"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "in the days."}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "Oh god."}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "Oh no."}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:33", "text": ">> Calm down. Calm."}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:36", "text": ">> Calm."}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:37", "text": ">> When I put my hand on you, when I put my"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "When I put my hand on you, you'll calm"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "down. You're looking at a You're looking"}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "at a television set. You're looking at a"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "television set. You're watching this on"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "a television set. You are watching this"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "story on a television set. Look at the"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "television set."}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:56", "text": ">> I'm running."}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:58", "text": ">> Look at the television set. Describe"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "what's happening on the television set."}, {"start": "00:52:58", "end": "00:53:04", "text": ">> The object is leaving. It's going up."}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "Look at that thing move."}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "It's going in triangles. There it is"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "again."}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "You're watching it on the television"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "set."}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:13", "text": ">> It's going to the left."}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:16", "text": ">> You're all right."}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:17", "text": ">> Oh my god. Where am I? Where's the"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "tracks?"}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "Where's Oh god, Patty."}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:25", "text": ">> Bill, look at the television set. Look"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "at the picture on the television set."}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "Now look at the picture on the"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:32", "text": "television set. Look. Look at the"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:35", "text": "picture on the television set. You are"}, {"start": "00:53:32", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "calm. You are watching a rerun."}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:41", "text": ">> You are watching a rerun. You are calm."}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:44", "text": "Now describe to me what you are"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "watching. You experience no panic, but"}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:51", "text": "you see in great detail. You are"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "watching a picture."}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "Got to get back to that yellow that"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "orange that yellowish orange mark. It's"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:02", "text": "the only place I'm safe. What's that? I"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:07", "text": "hear something."}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "There's nothing there. Object's gone."}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "Where am I?"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "What's it telling us is it tells us I"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "can't get your head on straight."}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "Heighten our depths and our soul can"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "reach separate us from the love of God"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "in Christ Jesus."}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "I got to still love the world. Okay."}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "Get a hold of yourself. Relax."}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "Calm down."}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:50", "text": ">> Relax."}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "It's over with, Bill."}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:57", "text": ">> Bill, look at the picture on the"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "television set. You are watching a rerun"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "of what happened to you. You have"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "already experienced those emotions. You"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "don't have to do it again."}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:10", "text": ">> Okay. Sorry."}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:13", "text": ">> You don't have to experience panic"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "again. Okay."}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "There."}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "What's that?"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "A car."}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "There it goes. I got to get out there."}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:31", "text": "Do I go or don't I?"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "I'm gone."}, {"start": "00:55:31", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "It's now or never. I'll be here forever"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "if I don't move."}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "Lord, give me strength. I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:46", "text": "hell. I'm running. Tearing through the"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "bush."}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "Stickers."}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "I'm on a road. Oh, thank glory. There's"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "a road on Highway Street there."}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "There. Yes."}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "Hey, it's a car coming. It's car come."}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "Hey."}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "Hey."}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "Stop."}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "Stop."}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "Thank god you're here."}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "No, it wasn't a car accident."}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "Please get help."}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "Where am I?"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:35", "text": "No, it wasn't a plane accident."}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:40", "text": "No, you wouldn't believe me if I told"}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "you. Please get a policeman."}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "Thank you."}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "I don't mean to scare him. Please get a"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "policeman. Get help. Please."}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "Oh, thank God."}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "What if they don't come back? What if"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "they don't come back?"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:10", "text": "Stop. There's a another car. Stop."}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "Yeah. Stop. Stop."}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:16", "text": "Thank you."}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "Get a policeman."}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "Yeah, that's right."}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "No. No. No. You wouldn't believe me if I"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:27", "text": "told you. Just get a policeman. Call"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "him, please."}, {"start": "00:57:27", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "Thank you."}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "Two people can't just drive away."}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "Yes, they're back. Yes, they're back."}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "My name is Bill Herman."}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "What time is it?"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "Where?"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "It can't be. Just a minute ago, it was"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "9:30."}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "Where am I? Part of your What?"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:17", "text": "Wait a minute. That means Oh my god. I"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "can't be"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "Oh no. I was standing in Charleston at"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:27", "text": "9:30. I saw a light in the sky. It"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:30", "text": "dropped to the river."}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:30", "text": "I saw"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "here I'm Who is"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "Yes. Thank you. Thank you,"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "Herman."}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "Call my wife, please."}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "Thank you."}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:54", "text": ">> I just expected the worst. I didn't know"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "what to believe. And he said he'd been"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "in his yard in North Charleston, which"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "is about 15 miles from here. And next"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "thing he knew, he was here in this field"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:08", "text": "near Somerville. Right out in right in"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "the middle of the field is where he said"}, {"start": "00:59:08", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "he came to. So he doesn't really"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "remember too much what had happened that"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:17", "text": "night."}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:19", "text": ">> They'd been watching a bright light. It"}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "kept getting closer and closer"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:24", "text": ">> and the next thing he knew he was here"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:27", "text": "in this field and he told me he believed"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "he'd been brought here by a UFO."}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:29", "text": ">> Listen to me, Bill."}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:32", "text": ">> And uh"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:33", "text": ">> Bill, you're floating now."}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:35", "text": "You're back in the present and you're"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "asleep. You feel very good and very"}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "relaxed."}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:41", "text": ">> How are you?"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:43", "text": ">> Oh, I feel like I just slept for an"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "hour. It feels so good."}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:48", "text": ">> Good. I'm glad you did."}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "The session had formed a bridge from"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:53", "text": "illusion back to reality, allowing"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "Janichi to probe for more information."}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:55", "text": ">> He asked Bill what had frightened him"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "the most."}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "00:59:57", "text": ">> I can recall"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "you"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:04", "text": ">> scary thing. The scary frightening thing"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:06", "text": ">> I guess was the uh disorientation when I"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "was released."}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:08", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:10", "text": ">> You know, trying to comprehend where I"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "am. I don't understand why they released"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "me there. Why didn't they release me"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "where I was picked up?"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "A concern of Janichi's was how would"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:20", "text": "Bill cope with the reality of the"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:25", "text": ">> I I can't deal with this for the rest of"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "my life. I I don't I don't know what to"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "you know I don't it's it's in a way it's"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:33", "text": "strengthened my marriage. In a way it's"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "torn my marriage apart."}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:38", "text": ">> In a way it's uh"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:40", "text": ">> gotten to the point where it's not so"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "much an obsession with me as it is a"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "preoccupation. And if if if I saw the"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "object again, I'm naturally going to be"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "quisitive, but I don't know what to uh"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:54", "text": ">> you don't know what they think,"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:56", "text": ">> right? And I I"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:58", "text": ">> Yeah. You know, I don't know what's you"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "know, it seems like with all this"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "information and all this in relation"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "seems that,"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "I don't want to get into position where"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "there's positive deception on their part"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "towards me. I don't want to be used as"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "some levels."}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:25", "text": "Fore speech."}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "always."}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:05", "text": "Heat."}]

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You"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "know that this is a confusing statement,"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "but if we're in a conversation and I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "speaking in a really confident way and I"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "said something like how different would"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "it be if the same thing started looking"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "now like it wouldn't change and nothing"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "else really did and you could just get"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "completely open and then the CIA without"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "even attributing anything to him copied"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "it almost word for word in an"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "interrogation manual. And I have that"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "PDF too."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": ">> Oh yeah. Chase Hughes just exposed the"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "scariest manipulation trick yet. They"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "used to call it interrogation, but now"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "it's just called content."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> They discovered this in 50s and 60s that"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "if I can confuse your brain, your brain"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "acts as though someone who is it's"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "somebody that's falling. So if you"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "imagine when you're falling, your limbs"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "are flailing all over the place and the"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "first solid object that they come into"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "contact with, it's going to like grab"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "around it no matter what. Even if it's a"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "thorn bush or something."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> Right? So anything that's solid in that"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "moment of confusion is going to get"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "grabbed onto. So the brain correlary to"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "this is if a person's confused, the"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "first logical piece of information they"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "hear after being confused will be"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "automatically accepted or more"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "automatically accepted without being"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "screened or scrutinized by the brain."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> In the world of behavioral manipulation,"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "few tools could be more dangerous or"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "more effective than confusion."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "Scientology's founder, El. 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And inside it was almost word"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "for word instructions from Hubard's"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "playbook. The technique was adopted as a"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "psychological softening tool meant to"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "dismantle the subject's internal logic"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "and replace it with whatever narrative"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "the operator wanted. The goal wasn't to"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "extract the truth. It was to overwrite"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "the mind."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> Data brokers are making billions selling"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "your information to spammers, scammers,"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "hackers, even stalkers. Today's sponsor,"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Cloaked, challenged us to put our phone"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "number into their tool. The results were"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "shocking. 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Meanwhile, you keep creating new"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "vulnerabilities every single time you"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "enter your real email, phone number, or"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "name online. That's the loop. That's"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "where Cloaked comes in. Cloaked doesn't"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "just go out and remove your data from"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "shady broker sites. It also stops the"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "problem at the source. Inside the app,"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "you can generate unlimited burner"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "emails, usernames, and phone numbers"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "whenever you sign up for anything. You"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "can even call, text, and email directly"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "through those burners. Then, data"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "brokers can't tie anything back to you."}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "Not only is your identity protected, but"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "the data they're buying becomes"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "completely useless. Cloaked also goes"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "way further than that. It monitors the"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "dark web and alerts you if your info"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "gets exposed. It has a built-in VPN and"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "password manager, AI powered spam call"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "filtering, and they even back it all up"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "with a $1 million identity theft"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "insurance policy. If you're ready to"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "take it all back and protect yourself,"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "head to cloaked.com/anonymous"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "and try it today."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "The link is in the description."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> What Elron Hubard does is have people"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "read out of this book uh of Alice in"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "Wonderland. The the verbiage is very"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "confusing and Elron Hubard openly wrote"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "about this in in his work and I'll give"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "you the all of my research on it and"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "then the CIA without even attributing"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "anything to him copied it almost word"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "for word in an interrogation manual. And"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "I have that PDF too."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> Oh yeah. And then uh the the grandfather"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "of hypnotherapy, Milton Ericson, uh"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "started writing about it."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": ">> Chase Hughes explains it like this."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "Every person runs on invisible"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "behavioral scripts, pre-programmed"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "mental routines that help us make sense"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "of daily life. They tell your brain"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "what's normal, what to expect, what to"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "ignore. But when you interrupt that"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "script through contradiction, chaos, or"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "emotional shock, the brain hits a freeze"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "point. It can't run its usual logic, so"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "it panics. In that moment, it becomes"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "desperate for something stable to grab"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "onto. And whatever comes next, whether"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "it's a belief, a command, or a total"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "lie, feels safe simply because it's"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "solid. The brain latches on"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "automatically. This is where the command"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "is inserted. When the person is"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "disoriented and vulnerable, a hypnotist"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "might say something that makes no"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "grammatical sense. At the moment your"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "conscious brain rejects it, but your"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "subconscious doesn't, it'll start to"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "obey. And here's the trap. Once your"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "brain accepts that first command under"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "confusion, it becomes easier to follow"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "the next and the next until you're no"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "longer evaluating, just absorbing, that"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "same pattern is now everywhere, not in"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "interrogation rooms, but on your feet."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": ">> Fractionation is where like I would put"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "you into a trance and that would bring"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "you almost all the way out to where your"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "eyes are kind of opening again and then"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "send you back down again and you go"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "deeper. So in comedy and and in"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "conversations you can do this to people"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "where it's like super fun thing then"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "really depressing or scary thing fun"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "thing scary thing scroll through your"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "social media feed."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> Yeah"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> it's fractionation as well but it it"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "increases suggestability. If you think"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "of the way that social media manipulates"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "our brain"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> it it falsifies tribal agreement"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": ">> and it makes us say a"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> right. So we're willing to ignore"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "everything that we see because we're"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "seeing a tribe say that something else"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "is happening."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> So it'll it'll override our brain. And"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "if there's one thing like if you just"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "one thing that that matters a lot is"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "that our brains are not capable of this"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "tech of overcoming this technology. We"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "don't have a firewall and technology has"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "outpaced our brain's ability to adapt to"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> Hughes explains that it all comes down"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "to cognitive overload. Your brain can"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "only hold on to so many contradictory"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "ideas before it short circuits. At that"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "breaking point, you stop critically"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "thinking and start following. That's"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "where the real manipulation begins."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "Confusion, pause, insertion. You've seen"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "the scripts. You know nothing. The"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "system is broken. Only we have the"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "answer. It's the same message across a"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "thousand hustlers, each wearing the"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "costume of authority. And it works. Not"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "because it makes sense, but because it"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "creates identity. You're not buying a"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "program. You're buying a new version of"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "yourself. One that fits into their"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "tribe. One that rejects the NPCs and"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "joins the elite. The emotional loop is"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "intentional. Fear, then hope, then"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "guilt, then belonging, then fear again."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "It's not a side effect. It's the point."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "Studies back this up. A 2022 study in"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "the Journal of Social Influence showed"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "that rapid emotional changes increase"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "vulnerability to persuasive messaging by"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "nearly 48%. Especially when delivered by"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "perceived authority figures. That's why"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "these gurus never just sell information."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "They sell urgency. They sell lifestyle."}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "They sell family. And if you don't join,"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "they frame you as weak. This isn't"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "motivation. This is manufactured"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "identity designed, packaged, and sold to"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "the most emotionally scrambled version"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "of yourself."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": ">> The moment you get to identity, then"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "you're you're guaranteeing that you can"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "predict future behavior. And this goes"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "really deep. We can get into hypnosis"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "and all that stuff if you want to. And"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "uh once I get identity agreement, this"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "is the same thing with politics. You see"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "the exact same thing. They the identity"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "gets hijacked and then I can do anything"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "I want cuz your identity is involved"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "here. It's not you're agreeing with my"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "ideas. You're agreeing because it's who"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "you are. You've heard of the Mgrim"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "experiment."}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:17", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> let me walk you through it."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": ">> This is 1962 at Yale University. And"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "they do a study. They put an ad in the"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "paper and they say, \"We're doing a study"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "on learning and psychology.\" And if you"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "come in and volunteer for this study,"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "we're going to give you like a lunch"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "voucher or something like that. So all"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "these people volunteered. So let's say"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "you're doing the study and you take it"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "and it's you go up in this hallway. You"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "meet meet this guy, the guy in the lab"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "coat, and there's another volunteer"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "there and you draw straws. The other guy"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "draws the learner straw and you draw a"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "straw that says teacher on it. They say,"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "\"All right, you're going to sit down"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "here and I'll summarize it, but the"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "guy's in the room next to you with the"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "door shut and you're going to sit down"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "at this machine and you're going to read"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "this quiz and for every question he gets"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "wrong, you're going to shock his ass."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "You're going to deliver an electric"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "shock. And every time they get a"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "question wrong, you shock him. But not"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "only that, you're going to grab that"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "little knob and move the voltage up. So"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "if you move the knob all the way to the"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "far right, it says uh xxx danger severe"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "shock. So you start the experiment. The"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "guy says he's got a heart condition"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "and you you can hear him screaming when"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "you when you hit this little shock"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "button through the wall. You can hear"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "him go, \"Ah! Ah!\" You can hear these"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "little screams and every time you're"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "moving it up and sooner or later he"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "says, \"I don't want to do this anymore."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "I don't want to continue. I'm out of"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "here. I have a heart condition. I told"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "you I had a heart condition. I want I"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "want to leave. I want to stop right"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "now.\" And all these people would kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "like turn back to the guy in the lab"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "coat like, \"You know what? what do I do?"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "And the guy in the lab coat is almost"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "every time would say something as simple"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "as it's important that you continue or"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "the experiment requires that you"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "continue. So they keep going and keep"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "going and keep going. They're up to like"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "300 volts. Now, if I can get you to"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "think that most of your tribal members"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "agree to X, then most people, like 90%"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "of people will say, \"Okay, X is true.\""}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": ">> Well, especially with social media,"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "right? Scroll, swipe, pause, watch"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "again. It feels random, but it's not."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "According to Chase Hughes, what's"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "happening on your phone is emotional"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "engineering. Every short form video,"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "every ad, every comment thread is part"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "of an invisible loop designed to pull"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "your mind in every direction at once."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "And the goal isn't to entertain you."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "Definitely not. It's to fracture your"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "focus, fatigue your logic, and keep you"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "emotionally volatile because that's when"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "you're easiest to control. your brain"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "versus a $1 trillion computer. You're"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "going to lose. I'm going to lose. And I"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "can spot all of the things and I'm still"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "going to lose."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": ">> Social media obviously is having some"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "sort of psychological manipulation on"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "people. What do you think the biggest"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "impact it's having on people other than"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "the theft of your time?"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": ">> Tribal confusion."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": ">> So, I get to automatically I don't have"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "to hack your brain. I don't have to"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "convince you of anything. All I have to"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "do is tell you a whole shitload of"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "people believe this one thing. And all"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "that is, it may not get you to keel over"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "right away, but it gets you to say,"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "\"Wow, it's it's starting to become a"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "pretty popular idea. I'm going to start"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "to entertain.\" It might start"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "entertaining that. So, technology has"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "outpaced our brain's ability to adapt."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "Period. We cannot adapt. Our brains are"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "we're haven't changed in 200,000 years."}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "If I can trick the mammal part of your"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "brain that doesn't even speak English."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "So all I have to do is get the human"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "part of your brain to translate what I'm"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "seeing, what you're seeing on the phone"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "into an image in your mamalian brain and"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "think that there is it's brand new"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "something weird that you're not haven't"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "seen before. Does that sound familiar on"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "social media? Sure. Weird. Unusual."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": ">> Novelty generates focus."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": ">> Then there's an authority cuz you're"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "thinking a lot. This thing has 97,000"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "likes in the last hour or whatever."}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "Authority. Tribe. Tribe is there. It's"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "built into the likes"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": ">> and then a lot of bots in the comments"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "that agree with it and chime in and"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": ">> yeah, can't believe he's doing this."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "What a narcissist. All that kind of"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": ">> He calls it emotional cycling and once"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "you spot it, you can't unsee it. Rage"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "clip about politics, swipe. A video of"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "someone healing from trauma, swipe a"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "luxury car and a link to a master class,"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "swipe a breakup story, swipe. The cycle"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "repeats. Each emotion spikes your brain"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "chemistry, then drops it. You're not"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "just watching content, you're being"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "rewired by it. In short, the more"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "emotionally scrambled you are, the more"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "programmable you become. This is the"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "Alice in Wonderland technique at scale."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "These platforms don't just confuse you"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "with nonsense language. They do it with"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "algorithmic chaos. You're pushed from"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "fear to hope to loneliness to desire in"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "under 60 seconds. And then you're sold a"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "fix. What looks like entertainment is"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "behavioral warfare. And it's not your"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "attention they're fighting for. It's"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "your identity. Here's what he reveals"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "about the algorithms."}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": ">> If I've got you for 16 hours with"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "advanced algorithms and technology"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "designed to manipulate you specifically"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "and in 1972 they could talk someone into"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "murder in 45 minutes. If you just"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "imagine what's possible and know that"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "governments are utilizing that. It's not"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "just people's opinions and it's not just"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "groups of people that are trying to"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "convince other people to think the way"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "they think. It's actual governments that"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "are involved in trying to manipulate"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "narratives."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": ">> Yeah. If you're thinking it's a left and"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "a right issue, that's also you may be a"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "victim."}]

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It's another part of the movie"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "that they're showing us."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": ">> Yo, I seriously feel like something"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "really big is coming."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> Project Blue Beam. By far the scariest"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "years we may see. This conspiracy"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "achieved its status in 1994 by a book"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "that was written by Serge Monast. In the"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "book, the writer describes how the"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "United Nations in collaboration with"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "NASA's [music] technology will unite the"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "whole world under a new false religion."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> But how? There will be supposedly an"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "alien invasion which is all part of"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "[music] the whole show of course and one"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "day a hero a god will come from the"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "skies and destroy these aliens [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "and us human beings we will not believe"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "our own eyes and start [music] to"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "worship this god. Whatever this god"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "orders will happen."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:21", "text": ">> This is called the project blue beam. If"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "this happens, [snorts] this is the dead"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "[music] John, the antichrist. Be"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "prepared."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": ">> 1994 book project blue beam."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "Investigative journalist Serge Monos"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "writes that the United Nations, NASA,"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "and other government agencies have been"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "working in secret since 1983 on a top"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "secret operation called Project Blue"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "Beam. The purpose to pave the way for a"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "global government by fooling people into"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "thinking it's the end of the world."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "First, the global elite will fake an"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "alien invasion, convincing the world"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "that aliens are planning to take over"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "major cities across the globe. Second,"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "religious populations will be treated to"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "a rapture or fulfillment of their"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "religion's prophecies. This will all be"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "fake, conducted through the use of"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "large-scale holograms and microchips"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "hidden within most modern electronics."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "In"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": ">> 2024,"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "a global event will alter the course of"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "mankind's future. The world will stand"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "witness to a massive alien invasion."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Thousands of projected holographic alien"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "warships will blanket the skies, sending"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "people into a global panic. Once the"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "various nations of the world topple"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "under the mass of civil unrest and"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "panic, the new world order will assert"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "itself and [music] the people of the"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "world desperate for any sort of"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "authority will accept its rule. There"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "was a Twilight Zone episode like this in"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "which scientists fake the alien threat"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "in order to achieve world peace. serious"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "proposal which is that we have to get a"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "bunch of scientists to tell us that"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "we're facing a threatened alien invasion"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "and in order to be prepared for that"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "alien invasion we have to do things like"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "build highspeed rail and and Serge"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "Monest he was a Canadian investigative"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "journalist essayist poet and also a"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "conspiracy theorist [music] during the"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "1990s he started to publicly talk about"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "topics uh like new world order and also"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "secret societies both of the kids of"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "Serge Monast were homeschooled by him."}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "But in 1996,"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "uh the authorities came into his house"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "and took away both of his kids, made"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "them words of the state and made them go"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "to a public school. I quote that the"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "parents were abusing the kids"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "emotionally by stopping the children"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "going to a state school. I mean, since"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "when homeschooling is emotional"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "abusement towards children. This is more"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "than weird. And in my opinion, this act"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "was to show their power and abilities."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "Like, you know, we can do whatever we"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "want with your family and closest people"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "if you won't shut up. You know, what is"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "more, things get even crazier. After"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "they took away the kids, they took a"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "Serge [music] Monest to a jail. So, he"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "stayed in a jail for a night. And the"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "next day when he returned back home"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "after the jail he suddenly dies from a"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "heart attack like he was uh over his 40s"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "closer to 50s and he didn't have any"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "heart diseases. I don't know how about"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "you guys but I think it's suspicious."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": ">> So it looks like we're about to see the"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "[music] start of the next SCOP. Guys, do"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "not be fooled. Do not be fooled by all"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "the reports that you're seeing of alien"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "sightings, UFO sightings, jets being"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "scrambled. This is all another scop."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "It's another part of the movie that"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "they're showing us in order to shoehorn"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "us into doing things that we wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "normally want to do. So, governments can"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "play the savior in this [music] fake"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "alien invasion. But in order for them to"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "do that, there will have to be more"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "restrictions on our freedoms. Probably a"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "digital currency and a social credit"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "score as well. They're getting [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "desperate now and they're using all"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "kinds of tactics. Project Blue Beam, go"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "and research it. This is been known for"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "many years from alternative researchers"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "[music] that they're going to do this."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "So don't be fooled by all the UFO BS"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "that you're going to see in the next few"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "months. While the mainstream media has"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "only just started taking these events"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "seriously and conditioning the masses,"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "it's no secret that world governments"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "have been taking these events very"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "seriously for years. Whether they are"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "trying to make psychic spies or track"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "unidentified flying objects, governments"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "have a history of trying to hunt down"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "the truth behind the bizarre sightings"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "and events reported each year. In recent"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "days, we've had reports of UFOs all over"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "the world. On February the 2nd, the"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "Chinese bloom was spotted, and on"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "February the 4th, it was shot down. Then"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "6 days later, a UFO was shot down over"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "Alaska."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> Watch this break."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "Boom."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": ">> Big one. Black one."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> Lunatics."}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "Could we have shot down an"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "extraterrestrial craft?"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": ">> And the very next day, on February the"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "11th, a UFO was shot down over Canada."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "And in recent days, we've had UFOs"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "appear all over China and Uruguay."}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "February the 12th, a UFO was shot down"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "over Lake Euron. 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The object was flying at an"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "altitude of 40,000 ft and posed a"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "reasonable threat [music] to the safety"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "of civilian flight. US Northern Command"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "is beginning recovery operations now."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "US Northern Commands Alaska Command"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "coordinated the operation with"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "assistance from the Alaska Air National"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "Guard, Federal Aviation Administration,"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "and the Federal Bureau of Investigation."}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "We have no further details about the"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "object at this time, including any"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "description of its capabilities,"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "purpose, or origin. The object was about"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "the size of a small car, so not similar"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "in size or shape to the high alitude"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "surveillance balloon that was taken down"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "off the coast of [music] South Carolina"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "on February 4. This is kind of unusual"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "that these pilots [music] saw different"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "things and that is sort of I guess"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "adding to the mystery of all this."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> Yeah, not even the pilots apparently"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "were really able to identify what they"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "saw. Oh, and just to take you back for a"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "sec, on Thursday, the uh the US defense"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "officials sent F-35 fighter jets up to"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "try to figure out what this object was"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "that was flying around near Alaska."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "Those [music] pilots, we have learned,"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "have given very conflicting accounts of"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "what they actually experienced with some"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "pilots saying that the the object"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "interfered with the plane sensors. Other"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "pilots saying that they didn't really"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "experience that. Other pilots saying"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "that when they looked at the object,"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "they could identify no identifiable"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "identifiable propulsion system and they"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "did not know how it was actually staying"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "in the air."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> There's going to be some information I"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "think we're going to get in the next"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "couple of years. If you listen to talk"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "radio, especially to Coast to Coast AM,"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "they're all they're all talking about"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "they're all talking about the fact that,"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "you know, we're going to get this"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "information, declassify the information."}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> But do you think the American public or"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "the world public is ready for something"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "like that? because it challenges"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "everything they know. If there is life"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "out of there, we're supposed to be the"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "only intelligent life because God"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "created us. Then it [music] brings into"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "question God. I really think the public"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "will accept this. There's going to be a"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "lot of far, you know, uh far uh uh"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "religious groups that are going to have"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "problems with this. They're"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "destigmatizing this is what [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "they're doing. And I found that"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "interesting in that report that was just"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "re-released last week."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": ">> Y'all, I seriously feel like something"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "really big is coming. I know I show you"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "guys all the stuff that's going on and"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "everything else, but I had this really,"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "really weird feeling. Did y'all see her"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "dress at this VMA or whatever it is,"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "tell me why she has UFOs on the dress,"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "even in her tour? And I'm sure you're"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "asking yourself, why is this such a big"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "thing? Every major event this year has"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "had aliens, UFOs, or grays. We just had"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "the Olympics, so we had all these grays"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "performing behind this mantis. And"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "mantis again was known by the ancient"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "tribes to always show up with graves."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "And I mean everywhere. And we have the"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "aliens at the Super Bowl. Doran, it's my"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "video. It's like every single um major"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "entertainment source is all showing us"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "UFOs and aliens. Why? What happens when"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "this kind of stuff is usually shown over"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "and over again? Think about it. I"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "wonder. I feel like they're kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "trying to show us, you know, the future."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "Oh, and I forgot the Miami incident"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "right when the year started. And then"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "right after the eclipse, we had these"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "black shadows flying by the sun."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "H Yeah. So, sorry, but I don't think"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "this is an accident either. Anything"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "else that we've seen believe in part"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "that the movies ET, Close Encounters of"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "the Third Kind, were not entirely just"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "the creative products of some Hollywood"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "director that maybe there's more to"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "that. Why don't you explain? They were"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "carefully um guided by representatives"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "from MJ12, who is this organization that"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "is in charge of the cover up in order to"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "get us ready for the release of the"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "information that there are indeed"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "aliens. And in both those movies, they"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "used small little creatures and uh in"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "order to get us ready for this release"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "of information"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> to prepare us that the idea of"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "benevolent aliens from outer space are"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "going to help us out. Unfortunately, uh"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "[music] they're not they're not so"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "benevolent. So, they made a probably one"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "of the most disastrous mistakes when ET"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "was uh put out at that time was before"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "we uh discovered what I call the double"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "cross or the grand deception and uh they"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "were trying to get us used to the"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "benevolent little creatures and but that"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "isn't the case."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> At the time, skeptics had several issues"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "with this conspiracy theory. First and"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "foremost, the technology required to"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "inundate the world with realistic"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "visions of aliens and messiahs simply"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "didn't exist in the early 1990s. But"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "fast forward to our present age, and all"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "of the futuristic tech that Mr. Mon"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "[music] spoke about has been rolled out"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "by the elites in recent years. There is"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "no doubt that the global elite have the"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "technology to pull off the con. Yep. US"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "Air Force planners brainstorming on the"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "best way to achieve a bloodless coup in"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "Iraq proposed creating a giant hologram"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "that would appear to be Allah commanding"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "Iraqis to overthrow [music] Saddam"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "Hussein. This plan was never"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "implemented, but the fact it was even"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "considered at such a high level proves"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "that the technology exists. Microchips,"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "holograms, electromagnetic waves for"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "telepathic communication. [music] It's"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "uncanny how everything Monest wrote"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "about in 1994 has been rolled out by the"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "World Economic Forum in the last couple"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "of years. is voice of God weapon. A"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "device that projects voices into your"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "head, make you think that God is"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "speaking to you, is the military's"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "equivalent of an urban myth, meaning"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "it's mentioned periodically at defense"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "workshops. Ironically, ladies and"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "gentlemen, this thing actually exists."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "The voice of God is a weapon that had"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "been developed, according to this"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "article, a government workshop some time"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "ago, I heard someone describe a new"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "tool, the voice of Allah. This was said"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "to be the device that would operate at a"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "distance and would deliver a message"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "that only a single person could hear."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "The story was that it was tested in"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "conflict situations in Iraq and pointed"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "at insurgent groups who would whip"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "around looking in all directions and"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "[music] began heated conversations with"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "the compatriots who did not hear the"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "message. At the same time, this was"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "greeted with some skepticism. So, is"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "this real? Is there any basis for this"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "technology? The Holy Sonic Research Lab,"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "the American Technological Corporation,"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "both have versions of directed sound"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "which can allow a single person to hear"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "a message uh and that others around them"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "do not hear. DARPA appears to be working"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "on its own sonic projector."}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "Intriguingly, Strategy Page reports that"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "troops [music] are using long range"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "acoustic devices as modified voice of"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "God weapon."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": ">> Enough people believe that something is"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "real, then it is real in its in its"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "effect reality. in terms of the social"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "reality in terms of what people act"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "according to their beliefs."}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": ">> And uh that opens a question of [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "really at two levels. Uh perhaps"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "something that we are creating ourselves"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "and perhaps a series of images that we"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "are projecting. I think Carl Jung came"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "very close to to expressing that idea in"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "one of his books. [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "Or could it be manipulated purposely by"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "people who have the technology to uh"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "simulate UFO sightings? And people say,"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "\"Well, of course not. Who would do a"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "thing like that?\" Well, I would remind"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "you that during Watergate, during the"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "Watergate investigation, it was"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "discovered that there was a plan uh"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "originated in the White House to uh"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "surface a submarine of the coast of Cuba"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "and paint the second coming of Christ"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "over the island of Cuba using holograph"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": ">> and which is well within our technology"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "today. The idea was that since there is"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "a large Catholic population in Cuba,"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "they would be so upset by this vision"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "that this would saturate the"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "communication channels, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "telephone system in Cuba long enough for"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "an invasion to take place."}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": ">> How interesting. I never heard of that."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": ">> Well, I think that's, you know, a"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "classic in psychological warfare. That"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "kind of manipulation is is well"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "understood."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "I have personally investigated several"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "apparently genuine UFO cases where there"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "was in fact a manipul my my conclusion"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "the conclusion of scientists working"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "with me was that there was in fact a"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "manipulation taking place and that it"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "was not a hoax on the part of the"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "witnesses but a hoax on the part of"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "somebody much better organized than so"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "there are possibly all of these levels"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "going on simultaneously today the today"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "with the current technology That would"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "be possible."}]

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Seriously."}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> DARPA invented the internet."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> Yes, [music] absolutely true."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> DARPA was telepathically talking to"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "dolphins in like 1992. I mean, look at"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "this thing."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> All the technology that we use today"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "[music] is from DARPA, which is a part"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "of the government. They handle all of"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "our military defenses systems, offensive"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "systems. They create all the technology"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "that we use today. The first"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "self-driving car was in 1984 [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "by DARPA. So, all this stuff that we"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "think is brand new and amazing, they"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "been had all this stuff. That phone you"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "have is from DARPA. Facebook, meta,"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "yeah, that's all DARPA tech, all they"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "all work for the government. Why do you"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "[music] think it's free? Because you're"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "the product. The fact that they're"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "giving us ChatGPT and all this great"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "technology, isn't it great? Man, they"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "had this 30 [music] years ago."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> Is DARPA American?"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> DARPA is part of the government, yes."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Think of it like Shield, you know"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "Marvel? They're Shield. They're like"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "part of the shadow government, which"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "they get all their funding from"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "something called the black budget, which"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "essentially is above the government."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "They don't listen to Congress or the"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "POTUS seat. They can green light any"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "project that they want from the black"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "budget and then just like, oh okay,"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "yeah, let's do this now. We don't have"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "to have, you know, the president sign"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "off, Congress, nobody."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": ">> DARPA was created in 1957-58."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": ">> I can't remember what it stands for, but"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "basically DARPA is our advanced weapons."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "It's our advanced technology weapons,"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "correct?"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> It began in 1957 after the Russians"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "launched Sputnik. We got caught by"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "scientific military surprise. That was"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "like a bad thing. Herb York becomes its"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "first science director. The reason"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "Sputnik was so threatening, it was a"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "satellite, the Russian satellite, the"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "first one orbiting Earth. The reason it"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "was threatening was because it takes a"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "rocket get a satellite into space. If"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "you can put a satellite in space, pretty"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "soon you can put a nuclear warhead on"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "that rocket and hit the United States."}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "That was 1957. That's where everything"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "changed."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> We spend so much time worrying about"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "protecting our privacy online."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "We use encrypted messaging."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "We cover our cameras."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "We hide our personal information, but"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "there's one thing people often forget to"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "protect, the place where they actually"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "live."}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "Because unlike your online accounts,"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "your home isn't something you can simply"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "log out of. 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Try it for 50% off at"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "simplisafe.com/anonymous"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "today."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "There's no safe like SimpliSafe."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> DARPA is something most Americans have"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "never heard of. It's the biggest"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "collection of geniuses anywhere in"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "government. These are the guys that are"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "creating not the next generation of"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "technology, but three generations from"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "now. If there are flying saucers and"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "they're not little green men from outer"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "space, DARPA made them. Seriously. It"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "just always struck me as very funny."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "DARPA's work is so classified that one"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "DARPA scientist sitting next to another"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "DARPA scientist has no idea what the"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "other guy's working on. It's too highly"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "classified. I mean, even at the CIA, we"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "weren't cleared."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": ">> Not even at your position?"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> I had to get a Q clearance once because"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "I had to go to the Department of Energy"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "to talk about a nuclear issue. Nobody"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "liked the fact that I had the clearance"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "and I ended up having the clearance just"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "for one day and then they revoked it."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "But that's how DARPA is, too. And this"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "is another thing that always struck me"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "as funny. There's a DARPA website and"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "they have pictures of scientists like,"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "you know, working together all in bliss."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "These are just generic pictures of"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "random people you pull off the internet."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "These aren't DARPA people that are in"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "the pictures. You can't show the DARPA"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "people. They're too highly cleared."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> DARPA invented the internet."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> Yes, absolutely true."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:04", "text": ">> Wild."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> Did DARPA invent GPS?"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> Sort of. Um so, we"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "what we did is we actually we got GPS"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "into a small form factor. Uh so, that"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "that's what DARPA did. So, the fact that"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "you can have GPS in your cell phones or"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "things like that was absolutely prompted"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "by DARPA."}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": ">> Okay, did you invent Siri?"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": ">> Yeah, Siri came out of my office."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": ">> But if you were to ask anybody in this"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "country who invented Siri, they'd say"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "Apple."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Apple. They get all the credit."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:31", "text": ">> Great."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:32", "text": ">> Get none of the credit."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": ">> That's That You know what? That's the"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "best transition in the world."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": ">> It is and that's okay with DARPA."}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Because Apple had a huge role"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "in inventing Siri as well. It's not like"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "I handed them a finished product. We"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "handed them a bunch of technologies that"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "were very useful and it was their job to"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "then take that"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Well, not useful, essential."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> Yes, fair. Essential, but still"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "uh they put a huge amount of effort and"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "research into it, and becomes So,"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "together, we make a product."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> You said figures like Zuckerberg, Elon"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "Musk, and Bill Gates are not geniuses,"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "but front people. Steve Jobs didn't"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "invent the iPhone. Do you think the"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "government invented social media and AI?"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": ">> Well, you go back to the '70s. The"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "government had a huge credibility"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "problem. The Pentagon had put all this"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "money into the internet as a"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "surveillance tool. They wanted to"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "promote the internet and computers as a"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "way to control people. The problem is"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "Americans had this experience of Vietnam"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "War. There were the Church Committee"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "hearings. Americans knew CIA was this"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "evil organization. There was actually no"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "choice in government. So, you needed a"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "strategy of how to make people believe"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "computers were safe and cute and"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "innocuous. And the strategy they came up"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "with is let's just open source this to"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "nerds. So, Steve Jobs partnered with"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "Steve Wozniak. People don't know this,"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "but Steve Wozniak was an employee of"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "Hewlett-Packard, which is a defense"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "contractor. Whatever he created actually"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "belonged as an IP to HP. So, Steve"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "Wozniak creates [music] this computer,"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "and then he goes to his superiors at HP"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "and says, \"Listen, this computer I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "happy to give it to you guys.\" And they"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "told him, \"No, we don't want it. Go sell"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "it yourself. It's yours.\" And then he"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "becomes a billionaire along with Bill"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "Gates. Yet, ask yourself, why would they"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "do that?"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": ">> One of the very earliest computer"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "scientists, whose name was Norbert"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "Wiener, and he wrote a book back in the"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "'50s from before I was even born, called"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "The Human Use of Human Beings. In the"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "book, he described the potential to"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "create a computer system that would be"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "gathering data from people and providing"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "feedback to those people in real time in"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "order to put them kind of partially"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "statistically in a Skinner box in a"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "behaviorist system. And he has this"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "amazing line where he says, \"One could"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "imagine a global computer system where"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "everybody has devices on them all the"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "time, and the devices are giving them"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "feedback based on what they did, and the"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "whole population is subject to a degree"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "of behavior modification. Such a society"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "would be insane, could not survive,"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "could not face its problems. And then he"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "says, \"But this is only a thought"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "experiment and such a future is"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "technologically infeasible.\" And yet, of"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "course, it's what we have created and"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "it's what we must undo."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": ">> So, the government once had a DARPA"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "program called LifeLog built to track"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "every email,"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "every photo, every location, every"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "purchase a person made all in one place."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "They killed it on February 4th, 2004."}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "The next day, Mark Zuckerberg filed the"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "LLC for The Facebook Incorporated."}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "Scale 1 to 10,"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "how much of a coincidence is that?"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> You know, a one or two."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "You know, there are some people, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "one of them, maybe you're not one of"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "them, who are constantly thinking about"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "how to monetize literally everything."}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> They also have very deep connections in"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "government."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "Well, we've known since Tom Drake went"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "public"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "uh in 2002 that NSA is intercepting"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "every phone call, every text message,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "every email. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "why not go farther than that"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "and intercept everything else? If DARPA"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "was doing it, he knew DARPA was doing it"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "because he has contracts in government,"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "sensitive contracts, and he knows that"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "they dropped it. Why not pick it up and"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "figure out how to monetize it? I believe"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "that's what happened."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> These are data harvesting entities."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "They know everything about you, who your"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "friends are, your location, what you"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "like to eat."}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "Like, even if you look at TikTok, they"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "have a predictive thing to where it"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "views your biometric data"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "to where it sees like your retinas to"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "see what you get excited over,"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "what you're looking at, what ads excite"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "you, this, that. They have all that"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "stuff, right?"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "So, yes, Facebook, um the same day that"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "they were created,"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "a a project named Lifelog ended."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "Which was essentially Facebook."}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "And it's data collected."}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "Even if you look into Oracle. So, you"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "guys know Larry Ellison, right?"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "Can anybody tell me why"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "his first client"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "before he started Oracle that we know"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "today"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "was the CIA themselves?"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "In a project called"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "Oracle. Surprise."}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "And this is in the 1970s, right? So,"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "there was data collecting and"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "all that stuff. So, all these companies"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "that we come to know today"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "have some type of government background,"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "government backing, and then they"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "release and like, oh, they're Look at"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "this mobile. Look at this person. They"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "Aren't they so great? They're a genius,"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> Sam Altman didn't build AI. Neither did"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "Elon Musk. Neither did Jeff Bezos. Let"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "me tell you who did."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": ">> In 1956, a group of scientists gathered"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "at Dartmouth College. Math Professor"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "John McCarthy, along with Marvin Minsky,"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "Nathaniel Rochester, and Claude Shannon"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "coined the term artificial intelligence."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "They received a $7,500"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "private grant to study whether machines"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "could think. What followed was decades"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "of funding from DARPA, the Defense"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "Advanced Research Projects Agency, the"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "same government agency that invented the"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "internet, paid for by American"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "taxpayers. That's where AI was actually"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "born, not in a Silicon Valley garage, in"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "a classroom, in a government lab, paid"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "for by us. Then Altman, Bezos, and Musk"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "showed up and claimed to own it. They"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "didn't write Shakespeare. They didn't"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "discover penicillin, but they scraped"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "all of it. Every book ever written,"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "every photo ever taken, every song,"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "every story, every medical record,"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "everything ever written by every author"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "in the history of the world, without"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "asking, without paying, without telling"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "you, then built a subscription wall"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "around your own history and charged you"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "to get in. That's not innovation. That's"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "theft."}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": ">> The Pentagon is currently testing"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "something called the Total Information"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "Awareness Program."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:46", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": ">> The American Civil Liberties Union calls"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "it the most extensive surveillance"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "program in history."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": ">> It was going to basically spy on all"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "Americans, Total Information Awareness,"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:57", "text": ">> was that a potential terrorist would"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "leave a digital trail, but in order to"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "find that trail, you had to collect all"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "of the digital information there was,"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:03", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:03", "text": ">> from anywhere and everywhere that you"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "could find it."}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": ">> They're going to use every telephone"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "call you ever make, every text you ever"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "make, every Google search, every website"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "you ever go to. They have a way of"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "collecting all of that data."}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": ">> The program had this creepy Illuminati"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "logo of a pyramid with this all-seeing"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "eye looking down on Earth. I mean, look"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "at this thing."}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> All these organizations pushed back"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "against it, so they the government said,"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "\"Okay, we're not going to do it"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "anymore.\" But then Palantir was like,"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "\"Well, we'll do it cuz we don't have"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "those"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:33", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> Go ahead. It's even worse than that."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "Palantir didn't exist yet. Palantir,"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "Peter Thiel created Palantir um as Total"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "Information Awareness was getting into"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "trouble and experiencing the public"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "backlash. And as they were setting it"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "up, they used Richard Perle to connect"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "them with Poindexter, who was running"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "Total Information Awareness, uh about"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "they essentially privatizing the program"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "and having Palantir do what TIA"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": ">> How US Marines used a cardboard box to"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "fool a robot is not what you think. The"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "Squad X program was a DARPA initiative"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "where autonomous robots and military"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "personnel fought side by side. In one of"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "the tests, a team of DARPA engineers"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "took six days to train a robot on human"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "movements and detection by having it"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "observe the Marines. And on day seven,"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "the Marines were told to approach and"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "touch the robot without being detected."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "But the Marines used some unconventional"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "tactics to approach the robot, including"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "somersaulting continuously toward it,"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "sneaking forward under a cardboard box,"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "and stripping and using a fir tree as"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "camouflage. Of course, the robot, which"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "was trained on regular human movements,"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "failed to detect any of the Marines."}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": ">> I was talking a little bit"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "about"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "well, mind control in particular"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "and something that I worked on"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "that I'm not proud of, but uh it's"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "called the voice of God weapon."}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "So, there were four different techniques"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "and technologies that can pipe voices"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "into an individual's head."}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:04", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": ">> And once you can do that, you can"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "control them using neurolinguistic"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "programming techniques."}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "you're re-wiring their thought processes"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "and brains."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "And so, this gets into"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "what's called offensive information"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "warfare."}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "they used it, I believe, in the Gulf War"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "uh to"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "tell the enemy at that time,"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:39", "text": ">> \"Lay down your guns. This is Allah.\""}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "And it worked pretty well because"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "hearing voices which have no direction"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "or sound, you have to assume"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "that it's some spiritual entity. Now, we"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "have uh"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "which are magnetically activated nano"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "particles and sensors. So,"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "how do you control a brain? Most people"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "don't believe that. \"Oh, you can't"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "control me. I I have my own free will."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "There's no way you can get to my soul.\""}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "Well, sorry, that's not true."}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "Um so, these nano particles are"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "activated under certain magnetic"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "frequency and will alter the brain"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "patterns and pathways."}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "Uh recently, my school came out, Harvard"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "came out with uh a"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "What you see here on the right slide is"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "the magnified view of a needle that's"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "injected into the brain and puts the"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "scaffolding over the brain and then"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "it's read that way at a"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "much finer resolution."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": ">> This is why it becomes so important to"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "understand the novelty and the viability"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "of neurosciences being leveraged as"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "weapons. We then have the use of"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "nanoparticulate agents, aerosolizable"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "nanomaterials that can be breathed in"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "and disrupt blood flow and neurological"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "network activity. They can be used as an"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "in-close weapon or perhaps they can be"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "used as a a more broad weapon of"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "disruption and or destruction. We also"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "have the capability to utilize"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "nanomaterials to get electrodes into a"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "head and to create a vast array of"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "viable sensors and transmitters. This is"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "DARPA's N-cubed program, next generation"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "non-invasive neuromodulation utilizing"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "these techniques and technologies to"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "create vast arrays of implantable"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "electrodes that need not be put into the"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "brain surgically, that are then able to"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "read from the brain and write into the"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "brain remotely and real time."}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "And there is a rapid pace. Prizes are"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "big economically in terms of power as"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "well. But there are risks and hazards."}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "Yeah, there are conventions that are out"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "there, but the question that arises are"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "these conventions not just necessary,"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "but are they sufficient? These"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "international signatory treaties have"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "suggested that no, they're not. They're"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "really not keeping their finger on the"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "pulse of the rapid development of brain"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "science is not only within the United"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "States and its allied nations, but"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "internationally. And sometimes in"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "programs that utilize commercial veiling"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "to be able to then hide behind in terms"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "of what's being made available to make"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "their military intelligence personnel"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "better and to develop a whole arsenal of"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "weapons both kinetically and"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "non-kinetically that can then decrement"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "the performance of competitors and"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "adversaries."}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "I don't know."}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:28", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:41", "text": ">> Hey."}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:46", "text": ">> Girlfriend."}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:48", "text": ">> Girlfriend."}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:48", "text": ">> Girlfriend."}]

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It's made of solid sandstone"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "and limestone from within the state."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "It's said to have the biggest gold"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "deposits in the world in the vault at"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "the bottom of this thing is freaking"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "gold dude. I'm talking gold lots of it."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "But did you notice the address?"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "Check out the top corner. The address 33"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "Liberty Street 33. There's 33's all over"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "the building. Then it also has he called"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "them dog heads. The comments were saying"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "no, that's a dragon head and I could"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "only find like two pictures of it being"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "built. I'm sure there's hundreds"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "somewhere, but I couldn't find them very"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "easily. And the question many people are"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "wondering in the comments is why we"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "don't build stuff like this anymore."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> Have you experienced anything spooky?"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Yeah. One of the people that we"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "connected with was Steven Greer. We went"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "out to his place. We're just having"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "these meetings with him seeing if like"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "are you legitimate? Some of the guys"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "that were out there just witnessing"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "[music] to them. One of the questions"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "that was asked if all of these things"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "about the crimes and these compartments"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "and this and that is true, why aren't"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "you And he said, \"Well, I'm protected."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "If anybody tries anything, they will be"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "dealt [music] with quickly.\" Steven said"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> So, the second night there I have a"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "dream. There is a doorway. It was very"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "very black and there's [music] things"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "standing there and he just says, \"You"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "can have anything you want.\" I just"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "start saying, \"I reject that in Jesus"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "name.\" And every time that I would say"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "that this [music] thing started going"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "like careful careful. And so I pulled"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "myself away and then something jumped on"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "me in the bed. Physically fighting like"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "[music] finally got out. Jesus, I could"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "feel this presence leave the room go"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "down the stairs and out the front door."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> Was this at Steven's house?"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:44", "text": ">> Yes, it was in one of the guest"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "bedrooms."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> Is that the thing that's protecting him?"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": ">> Went home next day [music] and in the"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "dream of that night I was back at"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "Greer's place. Walk in his front"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "entrance and there's a woman standing"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "and she's [music] just staring at me."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "She turned to this like 12 15 foot"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "thing. I could feel hatred. And then I"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "looked over where was this"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> body bleeding blood. So, another time I"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "visited his house, I presented an edited"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "version and he said, \"Oh, those are the"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "warriors. I have these [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "entities.\" And he said they protect. We"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "felt that the reason that occurred was"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "because I was sharing the gospel."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> I have really tried to behave with this"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Colombia earthquake, but what did I just"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "find?"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "Little [music] orb? A star?"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "Weather balloon? Then I remembered, and"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "you may remember when I tracked the H"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "bells last year."}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": ">> understand how nobody's talking about"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "this, but there is a hot air balloon."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": ">> The ones that aren't your typical"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "Roswell weather balloons. Side note,"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "there's a company called Sky and they"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "make these and they have them launched"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "from Roswell. I'm not making this up."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "But back to our H bells. These are made"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "by Aerostar and they're called"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "Thunderhead Stratospheric Platforms."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "They can stay airborne for months. They"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "can change altitude to catch different"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "wind currents. They can carry"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "communications, sensing payloads,"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "operators coordinated networks. I am not"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "going to say spy balloons. Aerostar has"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "a serious relationship with the US"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "military with past exercises, kitting"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "out Thunderheads with really nifty tech."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "So, I look up our H bells and lo and"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "behold, there was one around Colombia on"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "the day of the quake. No, there were"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "two. I'm sorry. There were three"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "Aerostar stratospheric balloons"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "operating in the broader western"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "Colombia region and one of them came"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "less than 30 km from the epicenter less"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "than 3 hours before the rupture"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "happened. So, I pull the flight tracks"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "and I analyze them. I really analyze"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "H bell 790 passed within 30 km of that"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "location precisely 2 hours and 57"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "minutes before this 7.4 earthquake. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "then I thought, do these balloons just"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "happen to fly close to earthquakes?"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "Nope, no they don't. So, this August the"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "10th one kind of stands out, which does"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "not mean the balloons caused the"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "earthquake. So, I'm thinking, I wonder"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "what our friends the US military are"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "doing anything in the area on August"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "10th? Bingo, Panamax 2026."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "Panama hosting, Columbia co-leading the"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "air component with the United States"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "Southern Command. And on August 5th,"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "this official US military photo shows"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "American and Panamanian personnel posing"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "with a high-altitude balloon. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "Panamax is a very plausible explanation"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "for our American not spy balloons"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "operating around Panama and Western"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "Columbia on August the 10th, right?"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "Right. Can I prove these exact HBALs"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "were part of Panamax? Nope."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "But, it seems plausible. I find the"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "whole thing very spooky, but spooky"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "seems to be able to be explained here."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "Oh, and our original orb? I think it was"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "Venus."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": ">> When you consider what the elites"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "allegedly worship, and the fact that"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "it's pretty clear that we're being lied"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "to about history, it really shouldn't"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "surprise you that we live in a"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "post-cataclysmic reptile world. And I"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "don't mean a bunch of lizards"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "everywhere. What I'm saying is the whole"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "world at one point in history worshipped"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "serpents. They've left behind so much"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "artwork"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "that many of you who are listening to me"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "right now have almost certainly picked"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "up a stone and thought, \"Huh, that looks"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "like a snake in some form.\" And that's"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "because the majority of their art was"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "symbolism related to serpents, and"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "snakes, and dragons. This one appears to"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "be belonging to the 60° effigies, and"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "that really interesting design in the"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "center isn't a coincidence. In fact, all"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "of this art that I'm talking about"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "follows a very strict geometric"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "standard. Now, I'm not sure where this"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "is at, but I have my own examples of"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "things that look very similar to this."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "And one thing I've noticed is a lot of"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "these results can be reproduced all over"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "the world."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "So, if you're curious about this"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "yourself, go look in the streams. A lot"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "of these stones are geometrically the"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "same."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": ">> You see a lot of people in the Hollywood"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "industry and India cult and it's laced"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "with symbolism. Whether they're covering"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "their face with their hand and it's like"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "the one eye symbolism or the hand"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "signals that they do and a lot of people"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "don't really know what symbolism is."}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "Symbolism can be traced back to the"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "Tower of Babel because when God confused"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "their languages, he divided them by"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "language. The occult still wanted to be"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "able to communicate with one another,"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "but they have all these different"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "languages. So, what symbolism is is"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "basically them recreating the Tower of"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "Babel, all being unified under one"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "language, but the language is symbolism"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "itself."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> seen this in the UK, never in London. I"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "MEAN, HYDE PARK."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": ">> NO, NO, NO, this is a fancy park."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": ">> Um, at what point should we start to"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "panic? Cuz records are being shattered"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "around the world right now. The US just"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "recorded their hottest month ever,"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "beating the previous record set all the"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "way back in 1936. 2/3 of England is now"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "in severe drought. Yes, that England."}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "After they just had their driest July"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "since records began."}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> Monsoons are freaking out at the beach,"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "bro."}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": ">> China's largest desert just flooded"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "after having its heaviest 24-hour"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "downpour in recorded history. Meanwhile,"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "Europe's rivers having the opposite"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "problem. They have fallen to record"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "lows, which not only can be seen from"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "space, but the dropping water levels are"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "revealing all sorts of incredible"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "discoveries. Global ocean temperatures"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "just reached their highest ever in both"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "June and July. In one single week,"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "Japan, China, and the Philippines were"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "hit with not one, not two, but three"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "major storms. And France just had their"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "worst wildfires ever recorded."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": ">> The craziest part, man, is this could"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "just be the beginning because"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "meteorologist Ryan Maue suggests that"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "the current super El Nino gathering in"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "the Pacific will be, quote, \"Perhaps the"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "strongest in 500 to 1,000 years and"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "could legitimately be the most extreme"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "global weather or climate event"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "experienced by humanity since the"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "invention of the printing press."}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": ">> Back in the 1970s, San Antonio was"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "terrorized by countless reports of a"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "giant creature that has roots in many"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "tribal legends. The reports started when"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "two police officers in the Rio Grande"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Valley reported seeing a bird with a"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "20-ft wingspan over their patrol car."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "People just brushed it off assuming it"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "was some kind of perception trick, but"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "then two girls reported seeing the same"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "thing. The reports continued all the way"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "from the border up into San Antonio from"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "1975 to 1976. Notably, two school"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "teachers in San Antonio reported seeing"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "the bird along with two soldiers. One"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "person was even transported to the"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "hospital in a state of shock after what"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "he claimed was a giant bird attack. But"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "today, those sightings continue."}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "Countless people across Texas and"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "northern Mexico can recount seeing this"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "giant and unexplainable creature. And"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "the Curiosity Corner team found some of"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "those people."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> Well, remember, we remember exactly what"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "we saw. It wasn't like just some little"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "bird. Like people would say, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "maybe it's a vulture.\" No, this is no"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "vulture. This is like a human-sized"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "bird."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": ">> people don't realize, particularly the"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "general public, that the movies, the"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "incredibly successful franchise, the"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "three MIB movies, were actually based"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "upon real reports of people being"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "visited by men in black after having UFO"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "experiences. Now, although the movies"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "were incredibly popular, they actually"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "presented somewhat of a distorted image"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "of the real men in black. In the movies,"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "Will Smith's and Tommy Lee Jones's"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "characters, whose names are Jay and Kay,"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "um they come across as secret agents of"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "some secret arm of the government."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "That's certainly how they're portrayed."}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "But when we speak to the witnesses, they"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "tell a very different story. They talk"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "about the men in black looking very,"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "very strange, very often pale or sort of"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "olive-skinned."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "They wear these large wraparound"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "sunglasses and people talk about how"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "when they've looked closely at them,"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "their eyes seem to be overly large. And"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "they don't seem fully aware of our"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "mannerisms or our language. And this has"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "given rise to the idea that they're some"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "sort of alien entity that looks enough"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "like us to where they can maneuver"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "amongst us, but also to where if we were"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "to take a good look at them, we would"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "think, \"Wow, there's something not right"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "about that person.\" So, in other words,"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "the real Men in Black seem to have"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "origins that are far more different and"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "far stranger than the government."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": ">> Right. Now, you were just 11 years old"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "when you became interested in this whole"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "enigmatic Men in Black as you as you say"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "in your book. Take us back to that time,"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "Nick, when you know, you got all fired"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "up about this subject."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:31", "text": ">> Yeah, well, what kicked it all off for"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "me, I've never had sort of a personal"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "really life-changing UFO experience, but"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "my dad was in the British Royal Air"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "Force, worked on radars, a radar"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "mechanic. He was involved in several UFO"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "incidents in the '50s and the unit was"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "told not to talk about it."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:51", "text": ">> So, that was the weirdest"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "I've ever experienced in my life. The"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "guys in the white truck, all tactical"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "my life."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "With all the tactical gear, the guys in"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "the black SUV, they're all in civilian"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "clothes, but"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "carrying"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "everything. They knew my name."}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "They knew my name. My phone is up My"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "phone is 3/4 full, all right? I have 3/4"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "battery. My phone turned off the moment"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "they pulled up next to me. My phone went"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "dead. Dead. What the"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "just happened?"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "So, I don't know if you can see, but"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "I've got a car"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "closing in on me. See that?"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "He is coming up fast."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "And right here,"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "people,"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "is Area 51."}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "He's coming up fast."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "Oh, there's a lot of cameras."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "Wonder if"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "He stopped."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "He's not moving."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "And wait."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "It just looks like a few portacabins."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "You know, and some barbed wire."}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "But there's a lot of signs that says if"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "you cross this point you will be"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "and it's silent."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "But you can guarantee someone's watching"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "you. He ain't moved."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "He's been following me all the way up"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "here, and now he's just"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "But he's still."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "Let's see what this guy's all about."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:40", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:45", "text": ">> Now, you see that?"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "Now he's driving."}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "The is that Okay, now I've got"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "black truck that's blocking the road"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "above."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> Did you guys know one of the biggest"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "mysteries in Antarctica was this giant"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "egg that nobody knew what it came from?"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "So, in 2011, there was these scientists"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "that discovered this old fossil in"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "Antarctica that looked like a deflated"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "football. For nearly a decade, it sat in"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "an unlabeled and unstudied part of"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "Chile's National Museum of Natural"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "History, with scientists only referring"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "to it by its nickname from a sci-fi"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "movie, The Thing. Eventually,"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "researchers from a museum in Texas"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "discovered that this fossil was a giant"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "hatched soft shell egg from about 68"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "million years ago. At more than 11 by 7"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "in"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "this was the largest soft shell egg ever"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "discovered and actually the second"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "largest egg in the world from any known"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "animal. The first being the extinct"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "elephant bird and so the animal that"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "produced this egg would have had to be"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "at least 23 ft long not counting its"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "tail. The most likely animal that they"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "think this came from is a Mosasaur. 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It potentially lays eggs."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "It has a second set of teeth on the roof"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "of its mouth like a snake and it had to"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "surface like a whale to breathe air and"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "overall it's just crazy that we had a"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "predator like this in the ocean."}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": ">> Almost 200 ft underground they just"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "found a multi-level labyrinth the size"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "of 51 football fields in Hawara, Egypt."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "Like"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "what?"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "Some people are saying that this is"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "greater than the pyramids itself."}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "So basically they are using a ground"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "penetrating radar scan"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:53", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": ">> and not only are they picking up this"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "multi-level labyrinth with all these"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "tunnels and about 30 chambers on each"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "level and these chambers aren't small."}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "Some of them can fit a Boeing 747"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "with the wings. I had to go look that"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "up. That is huge. Okay, not only are"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "they picking that up, but they are also"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "picking up this 40-ft"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:22", "text": ">> metallic like Tic Tac shaped object."}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "Okay, the radar is is up this metal"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "that's nowhere in our database."}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "Which means it's a metal that's not from"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "earth."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": ">> Okay, interesting. Um if you've ever"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "been to Egypt like I have, you would"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "know that there are so many shafts above"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "ground that could take you underground,"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "but so many of them were not allowed to"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "explore."}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "It makes me wonder how much more is down"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "there that we don't know, you know? But"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "this labyrinth? Yeah, that one is crazy."}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:27", "text": ">> girlfriend"}]

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Um and"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "and various different narratives are"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "being fielded right now to try and"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "manage [music] um local anger at an"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "increasing cost of living crisis, many"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "of which have uh been linked to data"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "centers uh particularly their power"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "usage and their water usage. And some of"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "these teal uh or teal linked outlets"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "like pirate wires for example have tried"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "to push against uh those claims but uh"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "using the data on the books about water"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "usage uh and and some other people but"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "uh in in in some other claims but uh in"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "states like California most data centers"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "aren't required to report how much water"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "they use. [music] So how accurate is the"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "data we have on it anyway? 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And"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "then after creating it, Caseich putqaame"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "in charge of jobs Ohio."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "Well, looking at a lot of the the tech"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "companies uh and data center companies"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "that have installed themselves in New"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "Albany in particular, the vast majority"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "of them have significant uh subsidiaries"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "in that operate in the state of Israel."}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "Um and Wexner of course is intimately"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "related to the state of Israel through"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "his own activities. for example, I think"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "several decades ago, uh he was um sort"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "of acting as a as a middleman in some"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "business capacities between Israel and"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "China and also working on establishing"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "um Israeli businesses and helping them"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "uh establish themselves and the occupied"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "Golden Heights um among other things."}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "And that's to say nothing of his links"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "to uh the Mega Group, for example, which"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "as you noted in your introduction,"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "created Birthright Israel. 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They're"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "staffed by veterans of one or the other."}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "And uh at the same time, coincidentally,"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "uh that Startup Nation central was"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "created, uh the Israeli government"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "developed an explicit policy where these"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "startups uh would be used to conduct"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "operations that previously had been"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "conducted inhouse uh by MSAD and UDIT"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "8200 and other uh parts of the Israeli"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "intelligence system. So for lack of a"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "better word, uh they have an"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "[clears throat] explicit policy of using"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "them as front companies for"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "intelligence. And so basically by having"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "all of these big tech companies absorb"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "them, uh the goal is to have um a a"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "major economic lever of power over the"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "tech industry in particular that would"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "prevent US policy from ever uh"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "meaningfully challenging Israel. 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And"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "so they in particular specialize in"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "autonomous weaponry, mainly drones. And"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "so they have moved into uh the Columbus"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "area as well. Uh thank thank uh Palmer"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "Lucky credits uh Jobs Ohio with their"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "decision to establish themselves there"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "uh for this factory called Arsenal 1 uh"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "which is due to be producing um an"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "extensive amount of autonomous uh lethal"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "drones um uh really any day now at this"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "point. Um and um nearby there's an"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "effort by Howard Lutnik's company Cantor"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "Fitzgerald to find the next Anderil to"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "fill that particular space. So [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "um Cantor Fitzgerald of course being"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "Howard Lutnik uh the current commerce"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "secretary with a lot of ties uh to"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "Epstein in in particular. Um, so it's"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "kind of interesting to see uh that"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "coales in and w in the region that has"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "essentially become uh Leslie Wexner's uh"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "fem. And aside from that, it's worth"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "noting that another venture of Palmer"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "Lucky as well as well that's also more"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "or less linked to Peter Teal in other"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "figures around in and around Palanteer"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "like Joe Lndale uh is this effort to"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "create a stable coin bank called"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "Arabore. uh that which Lucky nominally"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "created um but it's going to be run by"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "other people but it's based in going to"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "be based in Columbus and so this is an"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "effort to um increase dollar heedgemony"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "uh through stable coins dollar stable"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "coins and uh I think recently they were"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "fielded as a choice to restructure"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "Venezuela's sovereign debt or"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "particularly the debt of their state oil"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "company following the kidnapping of"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "Nicholas Maduro"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "and in during a time when uh Trump at"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "least claims that uh he is quote unquote"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "running the country. So uh that's worth"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "keeping in mind as is the fact that"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "Arabore was explicitly created to"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "replace Silicon Valley Bank which you"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "may remember collapsing a few years ago."}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "And if you paid attention to reporting"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "about the collapse, the collapse of the"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "bank was largely created by a run on the"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "bank that was orchestrated by none other"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "than Peter Teal. How interesting. So um"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "just an example of how this um this"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "particular network uh operates in one"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "sense and also the fact that they"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "[music] have extensively uh sought to"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "include Ohio in a lot of their plans."}]

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Either way, somebody"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "about a bee fight."}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": ">> There were high techch food forest grids"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "that were destroyed after the resets."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "Hundreds of millions of acres worldwide"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "were destroyed all at the same time."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "Most forests today have been regrown by"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "man. Only 1% of American forests are"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "original. The entire landscape of the"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "world has been reshaped over the last"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "200 years. From coast to coast, many"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "species of trees have been all but wiped"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "out. And this was not just for"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "resources. This was to make people"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "dependent to get rid of the free food"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "systems. Most people used to be in"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "walking distance of free food. And then"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "billions of trees were wiped out that"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "would have given them food. They didn't"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "just burn down all the cities in the"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "1800s. They also burned down a lot of"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "the forest. Many have heard of the"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "natives being exposed to diseases, but"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "they don't talk about the trees. People"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "were told to destroy the land in order"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "to keep it. You had to clear the land to"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "secure a land patent. This was also part"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "of the Homestead Act. They called it"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "improving the land, though it destroyed"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "it. This made the land inhospitable and"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "made these pawns more dependent. This"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "was done worldwide under Terra Nullius."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "If we look at this man's firstirhand"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "account, we see that he saw extensive"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "food forest in South America. Most of"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "the Amazon is a food forest. Brazil nuts"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "are all over the Amazon and were largely"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "planted by humans. It's the same thing"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "with the peach palm, many other palm"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "tree crops, and plenty of other crops."}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "This man's testimony was the same. The"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "Amazon was a high-tech food factory."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "This gave people autonomy. Look, so they"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "wipe the food force out to replace them"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "with monocultures to exploit people and"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "the land. The soil of the Amazon is dark"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "because of human intervention. They call"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "it terapreta. The original people work"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "with the natural grid and the geoglyphs"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "were part of that surveying process."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "After the recess and reset wars, there"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "was nobody there to maintenance the"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "garden and it overgrew. The entire"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "Amazon was mapped out like a grid and"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "deforestation exposes this. Look,"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "there's a high-tech civilization beneath"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "the overgrowth. Food forest have been"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "reduced to pastures. 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In"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "2009, Sony, the guys that brought us the"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "Walkman, TVs, speakers, and of course,"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "PlayStation, submitted this US patent"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "right here, officially known as system"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "for converting television commercials"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "into interactive video games, which does"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "a great job of downplaying what it could"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "really be used for. Its main goal is to"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "put an end to commercials running in the"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "background that nobody pays attention to"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "and instead force people to actively"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "partake in them. It works a little"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "something like this. Say you're watching"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "a movie, a TV show, or any sort of"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "content online and a video ad for"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "McDonald's pops up as usual. The only"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "difference is it's interactive with an"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "on-screen display reading something like"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "say McDonald's to end this commercial."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "You then yell McDonald's out loud and"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "your voice is captured by your TV's"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "microphone, which by the way, every"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "modern TV actually has a built-in mic if"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "you didn't know. The ads voice"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "recognition then registers your response"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "and ends the commercial and only then"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "you can go back to watching your brain"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "rod. Sounds fairly innocent at first,"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "but that's not the entire story. Because"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "this patent permits the advertisement to"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "prompt the user to perform any sort of"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "action in the real world in order to end"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "the ad, which means no more going to the"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "washroom or the kitchen or zoning out on"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "your phone when an ad plays. Now you are"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "the ad. This is part of a larger system"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "meant to create a new era of interactive"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "commercials that play more like mini"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "video games. There's this other example"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "that speeds up the ad if you throw in a"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "pickle into the on-screen burger. One"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "where the user has to interact with some"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "cup on a table. Not sure what the"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "context here is. Or this other one where"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "the viewer is required to drive a"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "Domino's pizza delivery car through a"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "course in order to end the ad. And"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "there's even an example of a multiplayer"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "ad that could be played with other"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "viewers remotely. Okay, that one"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "actually sounds kind of cool. To be"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "honest, they all sound kind of cool in"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "theory and probably would be fun as a"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "firsttime novelty, but I can guarantee"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "you this would get old and annoying real"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "quick. on top of essentially turning us"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "into walking talking ads for these"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "companies when we're just trying to"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "watch our show. Before you know it,"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "we'll be missing the days that we just"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "have to click skip instead of being"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "forced to yell or deliver pizzas in the"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "middle of watching our videos. For now,"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "Sony has no plans to put this patent"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "into place. But they own it. It's been"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "officially granted and now it's just"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "sitting there waiting to unleash itself"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "into society."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": ">> McDonald's built a 515page dossier on me"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "and it says I'll never stop eating"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "there. As a California resident, I have"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "the legal right to access the data a"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "company stores about me. Other states"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "also have data privacy laws, and some of"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "the rights exist in the UK and the EU,"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "so it's worth checking on the privacy"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "rules where you live. After I requested"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "my data from McDonald's, I received the"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "515page file in my inbox a few days"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "later. The sheer amount of data"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "McDonald's had collected over the years"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "initially caught me off guard, but what"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "was more surprising was what their"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "predictive algorithms were doing with"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "it. Turns out Ronald McDonald had been"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "keeping tabs on me. Here's what he knew."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "The dossier estimated I'd visit 26 times"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "before midepptember and spend exactly"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "$29.15."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "It labeled my core behaviors as a"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "foodled afternoon snack in an onthe-go"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "lunch in a rush, which my household"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "naturally refuses to let me live down."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "It also put my customer attrition"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "likelihood at zero, likely meaning"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "McDonald's believes that I will"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "absolutely come crawling back for"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "another large diet coke. All right, but"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "there's a bigger issue here. The power"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "imbalance between a customer and a"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "company collecting all this data. A"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "McDonald's spokesperson told Wire, \"The"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "company takes data, privacy, and"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "security seriously and uses information"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "like past purchases to provide more"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "personalized deals, offers, and"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "messages. Much of my 515 page report was"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "a detailed history of my McDonald's"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "habits. Every time I opened the app to"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "grab a bite to eat, it created a"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "detailed record of when I went, where I"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "went, and what I purchased. A professor"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "at the University of Washington I spoke"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "to sees this power imbalance as"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "impacting users, saying that rather than"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "benefiting customers as sweet deals,"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "loyalty programs can be used for"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "long-term surveillance. While many of"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "the data points in my McDonald's report,"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "when viewed individually, seem"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "innocuous, the accumulation of"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "information over years, creates a"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "creepily accurate picture of my habits."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "Aggregating that information and"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "processing it with AI can go beyond"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "counting my fries, and reveal things"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "like where I'm likely to be, what I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "doing, and how I spend my day."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> In 1953, the CIA hired a magician to"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "teach agents how to targets. 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Mahaland wrote two"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "manuals under MK Ultra, the CIA's covert"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "mind control and interrogation research"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "program, teaching field officers slight"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "of hand and secret communication"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "techniques for deploying pills, potions,"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "and powders against the enemy. His"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "techniques came from stage magic"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "repurposed for espionage. Mahaland in"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "1970 without ever revealing his"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "involvement with the CIA and the and in"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "1973 CIA director Richard Helms ordered"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "nearly all MK Ultra files destroyed."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "Mahaland's manuals were presumed gone"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "forever. 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Because it's all"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "part of North America. And then what's"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "going to happen is that the American"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "economy is going to focus more on"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "manufacturing and resource extraction."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "So the Pentagon has reached out to Ford"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "and General Motors in Detroit and said"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "that they would like these companies to"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "manufacture more munitions and drones."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "And these companies are fairly happy to"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "do that because it's more profitable to"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "make weapons than it is to make cars. So"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "that's a vision for greater North"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "America. And in order to create markets"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "for American weapons, what you do is you"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "create divide and rule throughout the"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "world. Right? So imagine a situation"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "where Russia is fighting Europe in"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Europe. Japan is fighting China in East"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "Asia. Iran is fighting the GCC in Israel"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "in the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "Well, now the entire world depends on"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "American resources and American weapons"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "in order to sustain these wars and this"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "would be of tremendous benefit to"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "America. So America right now is trying"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "to create the conditions where the world"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "is in complete chaos and America can"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "just sit back in North America and"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "profit. Right? And that's why I think"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "that when Trump goes to China, it's"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "extremely consolatory where you know he"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "makes a lot of generous offers to China"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "and China reciprocates. And so it seems"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "there's now peace between China and"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "United States. But then what happens"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "that Trump goes immediately to Japan and"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "encourages Japan to militarize against"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "the Chinese threat. So what's happened"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "is that before the conflict was between"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "United States and Russia in Europe and"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "then the United States basically"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "subcontract this conflict to the"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "Europeans, right? And now before the"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "conflict was between China and United"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "States and East Asia, what the Americans"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "are going to do is subcontract this"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "conflict to the Japanese and the South"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "Koreans against China. So it's all part"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "of this, you know, diabolical cynical"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "strategy of the Americans to maintain"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "their empire. I completely agree with"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "you like this plan of Americans is"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "cynical and it's also going to end up"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "being counteractive. It's going to"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "destroy their allies and it might turn"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "the entire world against America. But"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "the reality is that America is desperate"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "to maintain its empire and it's willing"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "to burn down the entire world in order"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "to maintain its empire. So that's the"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "situation we are in. I also point out"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "that if you look at the battle lines in"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "Ukraine, I believe European special"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "forces are already in the battle. So"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "last year it seemed as though the"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "Russians had a major breakthrough and it"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "seemed as though the Ukrainian front"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "lines have been were exhausted. They"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "basically broke down and now there's a"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "certain like new energy to the Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "front lines and they're winning back"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "territory. So I have to believe that"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "European special forces are already on"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "the ground in some capacity in Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "because of mission creep. We should"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "expect an escalation and also the"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "Ukrainians are striking at Russian oil"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "refineries and this is going to compel"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "the Russians to hit the Ukrainians much"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "harder. The Russians have been extremely"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "methodical in their attacks against"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "Ukrainians. They've not targeted"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Ukrainian power plants. They've not"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "targeted critical civilian"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "infrastructure and now they will because"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "they appreciate that this war will not"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "be between Europe and Russia. It'll be"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "fight to the bitter end. The entire US"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "strategy is for Europe to fight European"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "as you say and they'll sit this out"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "because there's actually no interest."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "All they want to do is cause as much"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "conflict in the world as possible and"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "then continue to sell weapons and"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "resources to Europe and they will"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "finance it and thus force the world to"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "absorb US debt. It's very clear what's"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "happening. Even the Europeans know"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "what's happening. But unfortunately, the"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "entire European leadership has been"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "vasilized by the Americans. And the"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "European leadership is very much afraid"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "of their own population. These are"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "bureaucrats who just want to maintain"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "power. It's going to basically take a"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "popular revolt for policy to change in"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "Europe. Unfortunately, the Chinese can"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "have a very short-term utilitarian"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "approach to geopolitics. So what we need"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "to recognize is that the Chinese have"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "strong economic relations with everyone"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "in the Middle East, including Israel,"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "including the GCC, including Iran. So"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "they don't want to be put in a situation"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "where they side with Iran and then they"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "are forced in a conflict with the GCC."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "The Chinese don't do things like that."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "They believe very much in balance and"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "harmony. So the Chinese have been"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "applying a lot of pressure on Iranians"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "to reopen the Humus and to basically end"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "this war as much as possible. Now, it's"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "going to be unfair because it's"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "Americans and it's really aggressor. But"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "unfortunately, you can't reason with"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "bullies. You can't reason with thugs."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "So, the Chinese are stuck trying to"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "reason with the Iranians. So, the"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "Chinese basically want this war to end"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "as soon as possible and for global trade"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "to resume as peacefully as possible. But"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "unfortunately, the Chinese are not"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "taking a long-term geopolitical approach"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "to the situation in the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "They don't really acknowledge the fact"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "that the Americans are hellbent on"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "maintaining their empire. And in the"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "long term, it's not really in the"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "benefit of China to side with the"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "Americans. But in the short term, the"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "Chinese are stuck working with the"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "Americans. Look, at the end of the day,"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "the American Empire is able to control"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "Trump. And Trump is a chaos agent, but"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "he is doing the bidding of American"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "empire. But if you actually read the"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "national security strategy, if you just"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "think about game theory and how the"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "Americans benefit from all that's going"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "on, everything Trump is doing makes"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "sense. Why Trump is important is Trump"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "is willing to do these things. Biden"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "wasn't to do these things, but he didn't"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "do these things because he was afraid of"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "looking like an complete idiot. And so"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "it's actually very hard to find someone"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "like Trump who's willing to be the bad"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "guy, who's willing to be the scapegoat."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "So remember back 2003 during the war"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "against Iraq, everyone knew about oil."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "Everyone knew about the American Empire"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "and you had, you know, protests around"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "the world against this act of aggression"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "against Iraq. But now in this blatant"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "act of aggression against Iran, you"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "don't have protests around the world."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "Everyone's you know focused on Trump and"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "thinking that you know if Trump will be"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "gone in two years time and then the"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "world will return back to normal. So"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "Trump is extremely useful for the"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "purposes of American empire because the"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "American empire needs certain things to"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "happen including national draft. So the"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "reality is that for the past few years"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "America has been trying to onshore"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "manufacturing back from China and"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "there's a really good reason why it"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "doesn't work because the American"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "population has become complacent. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "become lazy and corrupt. Think about all"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "these like American young people who are"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "trying to make their fortunes trading"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "cryptocurrency or gambling online and"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "spend all their time on only fans. I"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "mean, the empire has made America an"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "extremely corrupt and lazy place where"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "young people aren't able to contribute"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "effectively to the economy. The problem"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "isn't the lack of manufacturing jobs."}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "There are lots of manufacturing jobs in"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "America. The problem is you don't have"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "young people in America who want to work"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "these bluecollar jobs. They don't want"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "to work for like $10 an hour. they much"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "rather, you know, gamble and try to make"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "a million dollars in a year. So, you"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "need a national draft not to fight wars,"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "but to discipline your population, to"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "train your population to be much more"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "compliant, to be much more desperate,"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "and to have like real skills. That's the"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "reason why you need a national draft."}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "And don't forget this, Clinton in 1992"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "when he was running for the presidency,"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "he was a Bernie Sanders Democrat. He was"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "anti-free trade. He was anti NAFTA. And"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "then when he came to power, he became a"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "neoliberal. He was more conservative,"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "more pro business than even the"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "Republicans. So it doesn't really matter"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "who you elect, the empire is still going"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "to be in charge. I think for the next"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "year, it will seem as though the"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "Americans are winning. Trump's going to"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "go to China and eventually China and"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "United States will come to agreement"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "that's going to look very good for"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "America and Chinese are going to agree"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "to buy up more US debt. And this war in"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "Iran, even though in the long term"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "Americans are going to lose this war, in"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "the short term the Americans are going"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "to be able to inflict tremendous damage"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "on the Iranians, especially"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "economically. So in the short term, it"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "will look as though the American empire"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "is winning. But in the mid to long term,"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "we know exactly what happens in these"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "situations, which is the empire breaks"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "out into civil war. Just look at any"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "history. Empires in decline have many"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "characteristics. corruption, decadence,"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "low fertility rates, mass immigration,"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "and then two very common symptoms of an"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "empire decline are one, wars overseas,"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "and two, civil wars. So if Trump seeks a"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "third term, this is going to ignite a"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "civil war in America between two major"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "factions. You have the Wall Street"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "financeers who have been in control of"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "America since the Clinton years"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "basically. And then you have the tech"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "oligarchs, people like Larry Ellison, S."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "Alman, Peter Theo who are trying to"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "displace the financers and control"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "Washington DC in order to create an AI"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "surveillance state that would benefit"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "them and Trump is very much their agent"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "in this cause. And so how civil war"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "would start is that these two different"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "factions would finance different"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "opposition groups and these opposition"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "groups would have militias on the ground"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "creating as much civil chaos as"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "possible. And so if Trump were to get a"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "third term, you can expect that there"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "will be a lot of global violence"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "throughout America in his third term. So"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "the main characteristic of American"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "imperial decline is hubris, right? Where"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "Washington DC has become a bubble and"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "it's impossible to reason with anyone in"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "this bubble. So remember back in Trump's"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "first term and I think in Trump's first"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "term, he's very much MAGA. He very much"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "wanted to end these wars overseas and he"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "wanted to build a wall in Mexico to stop"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "immigration. And what happened was the"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "entire American media started to attack"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "him. His own cabinet leaked unflattering"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "information about Trump. American"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "generals refused to follow Trump's"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "orders. Trump ordered a withdrawal from"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "Syria. They ignored him. The chairman of"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Millie,"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "called the Chinese and told the Chinese,"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "\"Ignore this guy. He's not in charge.\""}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "That's treason. There was the Russia"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "gate hoax where they insisted that this"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "guy was agent of Putin. And they had"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "this huge investigation. a former FBI"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "director Robert Mueller was forced to"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "exonerate Trump. So the first term it"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "was all Washington function DC was"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "trying to destroy Trump during six seen"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "as a deep state conspiracy to impeach"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "him to make sure he can never run for"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "president again. So that's what happens"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "in Washington DC. If you try to defy the"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "empire they will find every way to"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "destroy you. The United States invaded"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "Iran because it has no choice in the"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "matter. If it were not to invade Iran,"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "it would lose its empire. Its empire is"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "based purely on the US dollar, the petro"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "dollar, which is a Ponzi scheme. If it"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "did not invade Iran, then people would"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "choose not to trade with it anymore."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "People would choose to not buy US"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "treasuries. For the longest time, this"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "system worked fine. But then in February"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "2022, Russia invaded Ukraine. That was"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "not the issue. The issue was the"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "American response. The American response"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "was to sanction Russia and remove Russia"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "from the Swift global payment system. It"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "also ordered the Europeans to freeze"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "over $200 billion in Russian assets. And"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "this is a problem because the very basis"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "for having the US dollar as the global"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "reserve currency is that it would remain"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "politically neutral. The Americans"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "guaranteed seamless politically neutral"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "international exchange. So if this trend"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "continues, if you don't do anything"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "about Russia, Russia would take over"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "Ukraine and Russia then would build an"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "alliance with China and Iran. If you"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "look at these three countries on the"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "map, this is the entire Asian continent."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "And then what they can do is this. They"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "can say, okay, the United States is a"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "bully. They force us to play by the"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "rules. They get very angry if we don't"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "play by the rules."}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "So let's not play with the United States"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "anymore. let's just trade amongst"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "ourselves. And then what they can do is"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "they can build a Eurasian railway system"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "connecting Russia, Iran, and China"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "together. And then what this would do is"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "negate American sea power because it's"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "American ships that patrol and protect"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "the oceans. And then what would happen"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "is the world, Europe, Middle East,"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "Africa, India, East Asia would look at"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "the trading block and think to"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "themselves, \"Wow, these guys, the"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "Russians, Iranians, and Chinese, they"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "use gold as their medium of exchange."}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "Gold is valuable.\" The Americans, on the"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "other hand, use US dollars as the medium"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "of exchange, which is not valuable. So,"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "am I better off with the American system"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "or this new brick system? So by"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "attacking Iran, the first thing that"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "happened is that China is now cut off"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "from Middle East energy. China receives"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "anywhere between 50 to 60% of its energy"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "needs from the Middle East. Not just"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "Iran, but also Qatar and Saudi Arabia. A"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "lot of people say that China today it's"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "reliant on renewables, solar, wind, and"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "that's true to a certain extent. But"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "remember that China, it is an industrial"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "powerhouse. So it needs energy from"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "everywhere and everyone. So the fact"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "that China is losing all this energy"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "from the Middle East presents China with"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "a long-term strategic vulnerability. And"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "that's the first thing that happens."}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "Second thing that happens is that Europe"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "is in a lot of trouble because remember"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "because of the of Russia's invasion of"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "Ukraine, Russian energy was sanctioned"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "and so Europe relied more on the Middle"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "East for its energy needs, especially"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "Qatar. And now Europe has lost all of"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "this oil. And then you have Japan and"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "South Korea are also reliant on the"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "Middle East for its energy. So now"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "question is if you're not getting your"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "energy from the Middle East, where can"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "you get your energy from? And there's"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "only two answers, either Russia or the"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "United States. Russia is at war. And"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "what's happening is the Ukrainian drones"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "are attacking Russian oil refineries and"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "export hubs. So the world in the short"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "term has no choice but to look to"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "America for its energy needs. And what"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "did Trump do recently? He took over"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "Venezuela which has the world's greatest"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "oil reserves. He's threatening Canada."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "He's threatening Greenland, Mexico,"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "Colombia. If Trump controls the entire"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Western Hemisphere, the entire world has"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "to beg Trump for energy and resources."}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "And this saves both the US dollar as"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "well as the American empire. The"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "American society does not have the"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "political will, does not have"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "manufacturing capacity and does not have"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "the risk tolerance to fight this war in"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "Iran. Basically, America wants to fight"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "this war as cheaply, as easily, and as"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "quickly as possible. Right? So Trump"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "really thought that, you know, if I sent"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "my airplanes to strike Tran and kill the"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "Anatollah, they would just surrender. He"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "paid no attention to the culture. He"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "paid no attention to the history of the"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "Iranian people. He had actually no"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "respect for the nation. And when you do"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "that, when you underestimate your"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "opponent, when you yourself are not"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "willing to commit to the fight, you're"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "going to lose. On January 3rd of this"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "year, Phil Force went into Venezuela,"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "kidnapped Maduro, and they completely"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "surrendered. So in Cho's mind, he wanted"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "to replay the Venezuela scenario. He is"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "a reality TV star. He thinks in terms of"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "optics. He doesn't think in terms of"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "like geopolitical strategy. The American"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "military has become very corrupt and"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "insular institution that is trying to"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "generate as much congressional funding"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "as possible in order to fund the"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "military-industrial complex. So that's"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "what a lot of people say that Trump's"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "stupid that he was misled by the"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "Israelis. And there's good evidence to"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "support this. But I want to show you"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "something. It's called the National"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "Defense Strategy. It explains what the"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "American strategy to maintain global"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "dominance is. And in the introduction,"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "what it says is that for too long,"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "America has been bullied by the world."}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "America is a nation that protects the"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "world. Yet, Europe, East Asia, takes"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "advantage of American generosity. The"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "Europeans don't pay for their defense."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "And so, they put all this money into"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "welfare, into the pension system. The"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "Chinese have been giving America a bad"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "trade deal. The Chinese steal American"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "technology and then use it to make"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "products that they sell back to the"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "Americans. So the Americans have been"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "getting a really bad deal for decades."}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "And President Donald Trump, he's going"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "to change that by doing four things. The"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "first thing that America is going to do"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "is going to secure the Western"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "Hemisphere. Therefore, you cannot trade"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "with any of these countries without"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "American permission while paying a"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "tribute to the Americans. This is why"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "the Americans have parked onethird of"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "their naval assets in the Caribbean"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "today to tell the Chinese and the"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "Russians back off. You want to come"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "here, you either pay a tribute or you'll"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "be attacked. Okay, that's the first"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "point of the strategy. The Western"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "Hemisphere belongs to America. Something"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "that they call the Don Row doctrine."}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "Okay, which is Trump's corollary to the"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "Monroe Doctrine. Point two is that"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "America wants to re-imag its"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "relationship with its allies. Basically,"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "NATO needs to pay for its own defense."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "NATO needs to go fight Russia in"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "Ukraine. America will provide support."}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "It'll provide weapons and financing, but"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "NATO needs to do more work. And in East"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Asia, South Korea and Japan need to do"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "better job of keeping China in check."}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "Point three is specific to China. And"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "the idea is United States does not want"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "to destroy China, but China needs to be"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "put in its place. China needs to respect"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "the power and the reach of the United"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "States. And how the United States is"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "going to do this is by strangling China"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "economically. So you look at at a map of"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "China, most of its trade goes to"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "something called the shield of Malaa."}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "And the sh of Malaca is the most"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "important maritime choke point in the"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "world. All America has to do is park"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "naval carriers inside the sh Malaca. And"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "China will lose 90% of its energy"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "exports. So America has something called"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "the first island chain. Okay. The first"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "island chain prevents China from"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "reaching the Pacific Ocean. The first"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "island chain includes South Korea,"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "Malaysia. That blocks China from"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "reaching out into the Pacific. So in"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "order for it to access trade, it has to"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "go through the Sher Malaca. And for the"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "Shal Malaka, it can access India,"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "Africa, and the Middle East. And so by"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "positioning naval carriers inside the"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "Shalaka, it creates a blockade and China"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "would have to pay a toll in order to"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "access the Sher Malaka. And the fourth"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "one is to reinvigorate America's defense"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "manufacturing sector. So what this means"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "is that the Pentagon a few weeks ago"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "went to Detroit and talked to Ford and"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "General Motors and said, \"You know what?"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "Because of this war in Iran, we might"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "need you to stop making cars and start"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "making more munitions.\" And they're"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "happy doing this because the product"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "margins are much greater for weapons"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "than for cars. This is the Pentagon, so"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "you can charge them as much as you want"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "and they'll pay for it. Whereas you make"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "cars, it's for the consumer market and"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "they may not buy your cars. So you're"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "like Ford or General Motors. The best"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "deal in the world is to go make weapons"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "for the Pentagon to fight these wars in"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "the Middle East that can go on for"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "forever. So we have a situation where,"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "okay, look, if you read the news, if you"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "talk to a lot of people, Trump's an"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "idiot and this war in Iran makes no"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "sense at all. But then if you just read"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "the national defense strategy, it's a"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "very clear road map of what America"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "needs to do in order to maintain"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "imperial hijgemony. And so let's just"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "summarize the major points. The first"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "major point is to maintain control over"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "the western hemisphere and create a"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "fortress America. Look at all the"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "countries that he's named over the past"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "year. Greenland, Canada, Mexico,"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "Venezuela, Cuba, Colombia, Nicaragua,"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "Honduras. It's all the western"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "hemisphere. Second point is to create"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "divide and rule all around the world. So"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "imagine a situation where in Europe NATO"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "fights Russia in Ukraine. In East Asia,"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "China fights South Korea and Japan. In"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "the Middle East, Iran fights the GCC"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "allied with Israel. What does America"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "do? America can now sell everyone"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "weapons and resources and finance it."}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "This would be back to World War II. And"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "then what would happen is that $40"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "trillion that America has in debt, it"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "would disappear because it would be"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "absorbed by the world. So you can say,"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "look, Trump's an idiot, but if you"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "actually look at a map and how America"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "wants this world map to play out, it"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "makes perfect sense. So you can say the"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "war is going very well for Trump. Losing"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "the war means that America would send"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "ground troops. Iran would survive this"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "ground invasion. And this would be so"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "politically damaging that chaos breaks"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "out the United States and the US guard"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "invasion is forced to retreat and United"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "States is forced to retreat from the"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "Middle East. America doesn't really care"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "about this war in Iran because what"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "America wants to do is force entire"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "world to become dependent on American"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "weapons and resources. And you do that"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "in two ways. The first is you control"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "the strategic choke points of the world"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "and they include the sh of kumus. You"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "also want to control the Panama Canal."}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "You also want to control Greenland. You"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "also want to control the sh of uh"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "Jialter. At the same time you want to"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "use your technological supremacy, your"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "aerial supremacy, your drones to destroy"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "the world's critical energy"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "infrastructure. Already we're seeing"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "oilies being destroyed throughout the"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "world. As America, you're trying to"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "deplete the world's energy inventory. So"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "they are forced to beg you for to supply"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "energy and once this market is created"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "then you can build infrastructure for"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "Venezuela. You can take over Canada, you"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "can control Mexico, you can take over"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "Greenland. Okay, the Russians have no"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "choice but to respond because if"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "Americans are controlling the shooting"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "control points, your shuttle fleet is"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "rendered redundant, useless. So how do"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "you ship your oil around the world?"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "Well, you have two options. I'm just"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "going to build railways to unite the"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "Eurasian continent. The problem with"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "that is now that you're vulnerable to"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "American aerosy drone attacks. So you"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "have no choice but to arm your shuttle"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "fleet. And now what's going to happen is"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "this conflict in the oceans between"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "Russian shuttle fleet tankers that are"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "trying to transport oil around the world"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "and these American destroyers who are"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "trying to capture or destroy these"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "shuttle tankers. Now the advantage that"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "Russia has is that America doesn't have"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "that much naval assets anymore. The"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "other thing is that the world really"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "needs energy. So you can imagine China"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "financing the militarization of the"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "Russian shuttle fleet. Iranian tankers"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "have been seized by the Americans and"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "tankers are being seized in the"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "Caribbean as well by the American Navy."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "I believe they are Russian tankers and"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "as you point out this is an act of war,"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "right? So what the United States is"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "doing is slowly expanding its global"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "reach. The way it's doing that is by"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "signing treaties with nations that are"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "part of the choke points. So the Malaa"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "recently United States has signed a"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "military cooperation agreement with"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "Indonesia and with the cert. The"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "Americans have signed an agreement now"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "with Morocco, right? So they're looking"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "for the legal framework justification to"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "control the world's choke points which"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "would bring them directly in conflict"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "with the Russian shuttle fleet. I think"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "we already in the catalyst moment. I"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "think we already in World War II because"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "this conflict it's going to expand"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "outwards into a global conflict and"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "there's nothing anyone can do to stop"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "this right because again you have these"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "different competing visions of how the"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "world should work and the Russians and"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "Americans are already at conflict with"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "each other. So the next step will be the"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "Russians come into this war on the side"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "of the Iranians because according to"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "Russian grand strategy, you have no"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "choice but to save the Iranians because"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "you're trying to promote this view that"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "the world is split between the spiritual"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "and the material. The Americans are the"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "antichrist. Americans support individual"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "hedenism. Whereas we Russians, we"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "believe in humanity. We believe in"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "goodness. We believe in community."}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "Right? So if that is your argument, if"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "that's your grand strategy, you have a"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "more obligation, a more imperative to"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "help the Iranians in their time of need."}]

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It"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "developed just east of Tinley Park. It"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "went into Hazel Crest and then it did"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "this 4-mile loop up toward Harvey and"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "back into Hazel Crest, then eventually"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "through Homewood, ending in Glenwood."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "So, how did this happen? Right as the"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "tornado developed, there was this huge"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "surge of straight-line winds picking up"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "through Orland Park into Tinley Park."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "That increase of straight-line winds"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "just south of where the tornado was,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "that pushes the tornado farther to the"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "north before pulling it back around to"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "the south and eventually southeast. So,"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "it's kind of like if you're running with"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "your dog on a leash and then the dog"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "tries to go off the sidewalk and go off"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "on its own, but you keep sprinting and"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "then you're pulling the dog back with"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "you. This also weakened the tornado"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "drastically as it came back around, but"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "there was a point near 169th Street and"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "Anthony Avenue in Hazel Crest that got"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "hit twice at about 12:51 p.m. and again"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "at 12:59 p.m. on Monday, July 27th."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> These two small stone heads were at the"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "center of years of paranormal activity."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "In 1971, brothers Colin and Leslie dug"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "up a pair of small stone [music] heads"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "in their garden in Hexham, England. Soon"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "after they brought them inside their"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "house, strange things began happening."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "The family claimed the heads moved on"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "their own and bottles were violently"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "thrown across rooms. Their next-door"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "neighbors reported that they saw a"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "half-man, half-goat figure leaving their"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "[music] house. Once word hit the"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "newspapers, several archaeologists"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "examined and tested the heads. While the"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "heads were in the possession of Anne"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "Ross, an expert in Celtic artifacts,"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:52", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": ">> she and her daughter both reported"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "seeing werewolves inside their house."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "Anne claimed that one night she woke up"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "to see a part man, part wolf figure"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "leaving her room, which she followed"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "downstairs until it disappeared near the"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "[music] kitchen. Days later, her"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "daughter Bernice reported seeing a large"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "werewolf-like figure on the stairs that"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "leapt over the banister and vanished."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Years later, a man claimed he made the"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "heads himself in the 1950s, but when"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "asked to replicate the heads using the"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "same methods, his new set of heads were"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "nowhere near the quality or look of the"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "original set."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> After circulating among various experts"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "for study, the heads wound up"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "disappearing. [music] Their current"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "whereabouts remain completely unknown,"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "and their origins were never confirmed."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "What do you think? Were the Hexham heads"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "tied to something ancient and"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "paranormal, or did belief alone give"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "them their power?"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> Apple just spent a billion and a half"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "dollars on a company that can read words"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "that you never said out loud. It's"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "called Q A I, and here's what it"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "actually does. It reads whispered and"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "silent speech. Its patent describes"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "picking up the tiny muscle movements in"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "your face to work out the words you're"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "only mouthing. That same filing says"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "that it can guess your emotions, your"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "heart rate, your breathing, all based"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "off of your face. And the guy who"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "founded it built the tech that became"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "Face ID. So, this isn't just some random"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "buy. Apple already owns the camera"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "that's pointed at you all day. Now, they"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "own the part that reads what your face"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "is doing when you think nobody's"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "watching. George Orwell had a word for"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "getting caught with having the wrong"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "look on your face. It was called face"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "crime, but he didn't imagine it would"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "ship on a phone."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": ">> The Process Church is without a doubt"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "one of the most evil and depraved"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "organizations that you could ever"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "personally encounter. Now, question,"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "what is the process? Well, for starters,"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "for the uninitiated, the discipline has"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "its origins in a breakaway Scientology"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "group originally founded by"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "Scientologist Robert Moore and Mary Ann"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "MacLean founded the Process Church. They"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "broke away from Scientology and founded"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "something called Compulsion Analysis,"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "which was essentially just Scientology."}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "It eventually became known as a process,"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "referring to the auditing technique that"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "the Church of Scientology implements to"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "psychologically evaluate hormones and"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "remold potential acolytes. Now,"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "understand this is the cult that Charles"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "Manson was involved with. This is a"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "missing piece to the puzzle for a lot of"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "people who are uninformed about this. It"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "explains why Mr. Manson was always"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "hanging out with the Beach Boys, why he"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "ended up targeting high-level Hollywood"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "talent for planned sacrifices to"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "allegedly start a race war. Interesting"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "symbols that the Process likes to"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "employ, speaking of race wars. Now,"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "understand that this is a very active"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "and very dangerous cult with connections"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "at the highest and lowest levels of the"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "entertainment industry, law enforcement,"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "elected officials, military, and"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "intelligence networks. You'll also be"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "sure to find the Process crossing paths"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "with motorcycle gangs, specifically"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "Shriner Freemasons and many, many, many"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "Latter-Day Saints. And seeing as how the"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "original Process Church, now known as"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "Best Friends Animal Society, actually"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "became re-headquartered by Mary Ann"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "MacLean to Kanab, Utah, the Mormon"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "connection should come as no surprise."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": ">> I was making this up, but I'm not."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "There's a startup, it's called Beksord,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "right? Beksord, what a sinister name."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "This organization, this startup,"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "it's taking disembodied brains from"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "to donors, right? Donors, it's not the"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "people who are being lobotomized, the"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "people I've been talking about in my"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "previous videos, but it's taking these"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "brains and it's um"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "they're trying to restore cognitive"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "functions in the brains."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "What is this? This is sci-fi stuff,"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "right? They're taking these brains and"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "they're trying to restore and supposedly"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "it's for neurodegenerative diseases."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "They're supposed to be breakthroughs in"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "that. This is like groundbreaking for"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> This fall, Bill Cosby returns to"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "television with something new."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "Mystery."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> Well, our suspects are not"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> To have the most popular star back as"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "its newest crime solver with his own"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "unique style."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> You going to be in there long?"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> With Emmy winners Rita Moreno and Lou"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "would feel the Cosby Mysteries"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "Wednesdays this fall on NBC."}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> This. This is the one that might explain"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "everything. UFOs, the pyramids,"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "underground cities, lost civilizations."}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "What if these are all pieces of the same"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "puzzle? It's called the breakaway"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "civilization theory and it proposes that"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "our civilization might not be the first."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "Nearly 13,000 years ago, Earth entered"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "the Younger Dryas, a period of sudden"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "and dramatic climate upheaval. Some"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "researchers connect this to the event of"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "the Great Flood remembered in ancient"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "traditions around the world. According"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "to the theory, this catastrophe"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "destroyed an advanced civilization that"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "may have existed before the last ice"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "age. It wiped almost everything off the"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "map and forced humanity into a reset."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "But the theory also suggests that not"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "everyone started over in the Stone Age"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "and that a small group of people escaped"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "underground, beneath the oceans, or into"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "isolated regions of the planet carrying"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "their science and technology with them."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "And while survivors on the surface were"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "rebuilding civilization over thousands"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "of years, this hidden society never"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "stopped developing or advancing. And"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "millennia later, its technology could be"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "so far beyond our own that we would"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "mistake it for something alien. Think of"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "all the cases that people have reported"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "of human-looking UFO occupants, strange"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "ancient symbols reported during modern"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "encounters, and why the phenomena seems"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "to have monitored and perhaps influenced"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "humanity throughout recorded history."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "Maybe whoever these beings are aren't"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "visiting Earth. Maybe they're actually"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "from here. Now, you might think this is"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "impossible. How could a small group of"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "people survive an ancient cataclysm,"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "disappear from the surface, and keep"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "advancing unseen for thousands of years."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "Where's the evidence? Well, what if"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "contact with this advanced ancient"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "civilization has already happened in"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "modern times and has created its own new"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "breakaway civilization from our own."}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "Think about the stories surrounding"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "things like Operation Highjump, Roswell,"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "and Eisenhower's alleged meeting with"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "human-looking beings in the 1950s. What"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "if these were the moments when modern"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "governments discovered or established"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "contact with this ancient civilization"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "that disappeared? And remember when"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "former HUD assistant secretary Catherine"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "Austin Fitts recently claimed that"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "roughly $21 trillion was secretly"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "siphoned from the economy to help fund"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "an enormous hidden infrastructure,"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "saying that there are possibly dozens"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "and dozens of secret underground and"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "undersea facilities connected by"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "advanced transportation systems and"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "operated by a clandestine group with"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "technology that far exceeds what the"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "public knows to exist. Now, perhaps"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "those facilities are meant for"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "continuity of government in case of a"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "disaster, but what if contact with this"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "first breakaway civilization revealed"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "something else, that another global"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "catastrophe is coming? And just like"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "13,000 years ago, a small group could be"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "preparing to disappear underground to"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "save themselves while the rest of us are"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "left behind again."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": ">> Now, let's move on to the Collins"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "family. The Collins family is rarely"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "spoken of as they are higher up in"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "positions of power than the Rothschild"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "and the Rockefeller."}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "Their level of satanic practice and"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "rituals run deep."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "So deep, in fact, that there will be"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "little to share concerning them."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "It's said that Tom Collins defected and"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "gave his life to Yeshua and was actively"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "telling the world about the satanic"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "secret of his family."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "He was gunned in a grocery store parking"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "lot"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "and has been used and as as an example"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "by the Illuminati to anyone else who"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "dares utter a word."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Okay, another installment of the patent"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "truth. Someone just alerted me to this"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "one and it's wonderful, so I have to"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "read it. The title is walking through"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "walls training system. All right, let's"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "see what's going on here."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "It's filed 2004 and it is very short"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "abstract. So, we'll go into the"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "background, but it reads, \"This"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "invention is a training system which"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "enables a human being to acquire"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "sufficient hyperspace energy in order to"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "pull the body out of dimension so that"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "the person can walk through solid"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "objects such as wooden doors.\""}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:05", "text": ">> [laughter and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": ">> That's funny they pick a door. A wall"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "seems like you pick a wall, not a door,"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "but okay. So, the classification is kind"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "of interesting."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "Uh teaching not covered by other main"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "groups of this subclass. Walk exercises"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "without moving parts."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "Timers, rhythm indicators, or pacing"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "apparatus using electric or electronic"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "means cuz we're electric, I think."}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "That's just my speculation. Okay, so the"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "background of the invention. A human"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "being is a hyperspace energy being"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "living in a physical container of body"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "that is comprised of 67% water. The high"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "percentage of water makes this invention"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "possible. Oh, interesting. Okay, cuz our"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "plasma state of water, right? Too. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "so referring to figure one, the"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "hyperspace energy being receives energy"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "from our dimension through seven"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "vortices that run the length of the"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "body. Okay, so check out the seven"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "vortices. Those are the chakras, right?"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "Come on."}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "Okay, yeah. So, they run the length of"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "the body. Each vortex connects to a"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "separate hyperspace dimension having its"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "own particular frequency. This This"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "arrangement allows for the development"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "of seven modular energy components"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "corresponding to the mind, spiritual"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "eye, voice, body, abdomen, plasma energy"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "ball battery, and ground connection."}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "Okay, well, this is wonderful."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "Whoever sent this to me, thank you so"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "much. I've really enjoyed reading it,"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "but we'll have to check out this last"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "image here. So, there's this one and"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "that is like, you know, we got the"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "chakras and then we're like a square."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "But then this last one's just like this"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "is from antiquity just to give us a"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "sense of, you know, maybe how long this"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "has been going on."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": ">> Fairy gene, the Elven gene, the gene of"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "the giants."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:49", "text": ">> These are all related."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:50", "text": ">> are all the royals."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:51", "text": ">> So, there's like a vast variety of"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "demons."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": ">> And hybrids."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> Yes. There's a lot more at play here"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "within these genes, and you have in"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "there the gene of the Nephilim. It is a"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "game of thrones. We need to understand"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": ">> A perfectly circular sinkhole shows up"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "in Chile"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "3 years ago. Reports say it's a"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "collapsed mine."}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "200 ft deep, which is shallow [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "compared to the rabbit hole just north"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "of this hole. For 2,500"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "years, the Nazca desert has been hiding"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "these things. I had to make a part two"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "because I did not realize after breaking"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "down the first one the magnitude of what"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "I was actually looking at. So, if you"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "haven't seen this first part, go now cuz"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "it's about to get really weird. I'm"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "trying not to exaggerate or put my spin"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "on this, but these are just the raw"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "facts. These are in the desert. They"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "look random, but they're not. That line"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "connects the axis, the center of 20 of"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "these things through a valley. There are"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "100 documented ones, and we know there"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "are more."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:55", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:59", "text": ">> Many of these form a network in the"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "desert that has lasted 2,500 years. Each"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "glyph is hundreds of meters long. The"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "lines connecting them are kilometers"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "long, creating a colossal network."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "That's weird enough. That's where the"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "weird starts. These are projections."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "Geometry only looks perfect from the"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "air. So, if you were to make these like"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "they say, it wouldn't work. A string"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "would distort the shape from the air."}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "These go over mountains and hills."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "String on a stick would keep the"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "geometry perfect on the ground, but it"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "would distort it from the air."}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "What they had to do was distort the"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "lines from the ground so that they"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "looked perfect from the air and that's"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "exactly what you see on the ground. So"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "far, I've showed you the simple ones."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "The more complex ones"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "are utterly mind-blowing."}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "Guess how many more invisible lines you"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "need just to reconstruct that guy."}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "That many lines. You know how big the"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "sucker is?"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "689 ft. Two football fields bigger."}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "Geometric ratios that were used halfway"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "around the world were used to create a"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "perspective that we only first see in"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "the Renaissance."}]

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Just realize"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "that mother nature thinks of this as a"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "peashooter compared to cosmic rays that"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "hit us every single day. Mother Nature"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "has Adam smashes out there more powerful"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "than this peashooter."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> When Lar first described the soul trap,"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "he didn't sound like a man inventing"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "fantasy. He spoke like an engineer"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "recalling a schematic. His tone"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "flattened into procedure, inputs,"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "outputs, systems. 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The soul"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "vibrates like any signal, he explained."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "Change the frequency and you change"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "identity. To believers, the description"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "resembled a cosmic data farm. To"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "skeptics, it was metaphysical science"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "fiction dressed in equations. Lir"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "insisted he wasn't speaking"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "metaphorically. 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Go"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "look up Project Aculine, Project Axial,"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "and Operation Tacana. [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "They were using birds as drones and"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "cameras in the 1960s."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "Pigeons were flying to search the target"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "to take highresolution detailed [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "pictures and then returning 50 plus"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "miles back to the base. Could you"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "imagine how advanced they are now?"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> Billy Jenner's partnership with Dunkin"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "Donuts is eerie to say [music] the"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "least. For those in the know, I want you"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "to take a good look at this picture"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "behind me and you'll see it right away."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "I mean, those who have eyes will see."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "Take a good look at that. Does nobody"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "else find it eerie that a member of the"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "Kardashian family, let alone the first"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "billionaire within that family, is doing"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "this in an ad with a popular doughut and"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "beverage company? I mean, come on, guys."}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "Totally unrelated for entertainment"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "purposes only. But I happen to find this"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "photo of Kylie and her sister [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "from 2015. It looks like on a Polaroid"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "type camera. Take a good look at that"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "and tell me what you noticed as well. As"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "if it wasn't eerie and creepy enough, I"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "found this photo on the internet as"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "well. And many people hypothetically are"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "saying this [music] is putting it right"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "in front of our faces. So, I'm sure an"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "ad like this is just for artistic"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "purposes only. It's only for"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "entertainment. You know, they're just"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "doing it because it's provocative and it"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "gets people talking, right? There's no"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "deeper hidden meaning behind all of"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "these photos, right? [music] Comment"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "below with your thoughts. Am I on to"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "something or am I tripping this time?"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "Russell Trust is the legal corporation"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "that is the order of the school and"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "bones. They finance the creation of host"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "of security company under the Wacken"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "Huts. They include a security service"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "called Wacken Hut Corporation. Their"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "headquarters are in Florida. They have"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "branch offices even in places like"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "Portland, Oregon."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "Wacken Hut handles all intelligence"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "related and super secret work classified"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "ultra for the US worldwide. They are the"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "ones who guard the UFO bases topside"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "along with the CIA's Delta teams and"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "various MP units. Their branch in Las"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "Vegas provides security for the Groom"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "Lake UFO facility. The Russells are"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "responsible for starting the Skull and"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "Bones order, the Pilgrim Society, and"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "the Masonic Daughters of Isabella."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> Is no one going to talk about Spotify's"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "new ad"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> of internet wishes?"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> Talking about skipping a funeral for"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "music."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> Sorry, man."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> Then goes on to talk about selling your"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "soul. [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> I sell my soul."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> I want to ask you about a patent, an"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "actual patent that the Walmart"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "Corporation has. This is a patent for a"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "shopping cart. And I think we have a"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "graphic to this effect. This is a a"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "patent for a shopping cart that uses"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "sensors to track the speed of your cart,"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "your heart rate, your body temperature,"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "and then feeds it into a server for"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "analysis. I emphasize this is not a"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "joke. This is not AI didn't invent this"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "sadly, but AI is going to use it."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Walmart has this. Why would Why would"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Walmart want something like this?"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "companies him and ha and deny that"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "they're using uh things like"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "surveillance pricing in many settings."}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "Um but I think if we look at what um"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "they do in say in other settings um the"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "technologies they're building and"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "bothering um to patent to get monopoly"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "rights for to monetize if we look at"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "what they tell their investors if we"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "look at um the companies they're"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "scooping up they're buying up AI pricing"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "tech companies who come to market um"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "offering new um surveillance pricing"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "technologies um it really paints a"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "different picture of where this country"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "is headed and where our economy is"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "headed. This doodle is um you know"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "pretty horrifying. Um but it's really"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "just the first step. Um building out the"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "ability to use um you know cameras and"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "cooler screens to take a look at what"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "you're doing um to use your grocery cart"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "um to monitor your temperature. All that"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "is feeding into um consumer intelligence"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "scores, agitation scores that better"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "estimate um how much they can convince"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "you to fork over for every item in that"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "shopping cart. On my website, I have a"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "patent [clears throat] of a machine that"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "can read your brain waves"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "can recombine them in a computer and"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "send them back to you and make you think"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "things happened that never happened. I"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "mean, you can't get a patent for"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "something like that unless it really"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "works. You have to prove it to the"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "patent office. It works. A patent was"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "issued. And this is just one of the"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "things that snuck by them that has"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "because when people invent things like"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "this, they're sucked up by the"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "government immediately. and then they're"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "they're put behind the veil of national"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "security and classified and then nobody"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "knows about them. But every once in a"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "while something sneaks by them and when"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "you do these searches in the patent"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "office and the trademark office and in"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "the copyright office you come up with"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "some gems once in a while and that that"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "was one. Also, the congressional"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "investigations into the uh the"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "intelligence community has revealed the"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "existence of these programs. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "there's no secret about it. It's"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "documented. Project Artichoke, Project"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "MK Ultra, um MK Naomi, um you know, I"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "could go on and on and on all day long."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "And uh you know if you had the time in"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "your movie we could lay out all the"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "documentation which is official"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "government documentation and prove"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "beyond any shadow of doubt that it's"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "true."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": ">> profound transformation requires"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "instability"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:36", "text": ">> landscape is being reshaped."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "The energy weapon"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "A new world order to build something new"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "to redesign a government and embrace it."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": ">> AI leadership with the Rockefeller"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "Foundation. [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": ">> Spider-Man: Brand New Day is filled with"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "Masonic symbolism and truth hidden in"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "plain sight predictive programming. And"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "I'm about to break it down for you right"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "now. Uh, I do think it is interesting"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "how Tom Holland, Zenaia, and John"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "Bernthal are in two of the biggest"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "blockbusters of the summer at the exact"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "same time in theaters with the Odyssey"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "and Spider and Spider-Man: Brand New"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "Day. But we'll just leave it at that."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "So, the movie is based around mind"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "control and the government, the CIA has"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "openly admitted to experimenting with"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "mind control during the MK Ultra project"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "during the Charles Manson era. One of"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "the most obvious, of course, of every"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "Spider-Man movie. He has he shoots webs"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "whenever he makes the devil horns. Here"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "you see the duality. As above, so below."}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "Him showing the one eye. The one eye is"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "evil. A sign of the devil, Lucifer,"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "Satan, watching over you at all times."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "And of course, you have the horns on top"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "of his head. This is of course made"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "famous uh Anton Ley, one of the founders"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "of the church of Satan or the founder"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "made famous in the 60s with with rock"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "stars."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": ">> Also, you cannot get within 33 ft of"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "Jean Gray or else she can control your"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "mind."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": ">> You have a limit to your jump radius,"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "don't you? 33 ft."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "I don't see anybody up here for you to"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "hop into."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> The number 33 is important in Masonic"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "symbolism. Another obvious one is this"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "inhibitor chip that Peter has to put in"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "the back of his neck symbolizing the"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "mark of the beast. A microchip that"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "eventually they want to start"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "introducing. This is more predictive"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "programming, more truth hidden in plain"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "sight. They're even advertising this to"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "kids in the popcorn buckets with the"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "RFID inhibitor chip in the back of"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "Spider-Man's neck. Secretive handshakes"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "with ties to Masonic symbolism. They"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "have secret handshakes. Okay, so 15"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "years ago, an alien apparently"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "photobombed somebody in Taiwan. Check"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "this story out. This guy is park patrol"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "officer Shen Yongqang. And as he was"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "walking through Yaiming Lake deep in the"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "Taiwanese central mountains, he decided"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "to take a nice picture of the beautiful"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "scenery. But when he looked back at the"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "photos, he saw something very strange."}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "That's right. He took this photo. And"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "when you first look at it, it doesn't"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "really seem that strange. But when you"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "zoom in, that's right. Upon closer"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "inspection of that image, you can make"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "out the transparent shape of this tall"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "alien looking figure with a"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "mantis-shaped head and long spindly"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "fingers casually walking along the"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "mountain ridge. And Officer Shen used an"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "iPhone 4. And remember, this was all the"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "way back in 2011, so AI wasn't a thing"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "back then. And the really crazy thing is"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "after over a decade of professional"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "analysis, the image shows absolutely no"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "signs of tampering, editing, or"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "manipulation. And not only that, but"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "back in May of this year, the FBI"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "released a historic batch of UFO"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "documents, and Shen's image turned up"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "inside them. And the official FBI"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "analysis of the image describes it as"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "showing a legitimate physical entity"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "that defies conventional human anatomy."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "And so the question is, what on earth"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "did Shen Yongyang snap on his iPhone 4?"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "Was it an alien? Was it a demon? Was it"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "something else entirely? Let me know"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "what you think down in the comments."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": ">> 1893 Chicago World's Fair. Guess what"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "they're doing? They're taking radium,"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "mixing it with terracotta clay, and"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "making these bricks. You would take that"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "brick, you'd put it in your water, and"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "now you have perfectly structured water"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "the entire time. I found this book uh"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "people can look into. It was called"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "Charles Evan Morris. It was modern"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "rejuvenation methods, and it was written"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "in 1926. But the last about a 100 pages"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "of that book, they talked about how they"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "were healing every single ailment with"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "radiant water that the hospitals did not"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "need to exist because of how many things"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "that they were healing with this. And"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "this blew my mind. 1934, okay, after 8"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "years of them like realizing they're"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "eliminating all these illnesses and pain"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "and fatigue and uric acid and all this"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "buildup that people are having, no joke,"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "FDA comes up. First thing they go after"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "when the FDA was invented in 1934,"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "radium water. They made up a whole"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "story. People are getting poison."}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "They're getting sick. So then I thought,"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "well, what is radium water, right? What"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "is this? Well, radium water has a high"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "high level of sulfur. That's the yellow"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "from the radium. And the radium water is"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "the hot springs. So you're drinking"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "water from the hot springs. And this is"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "why the richest people in the world used"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "to sit in hot springs and heal. The"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "Devil's Damned Gate in Pasadena,"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "California was built in 1920. It was"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "created to control the Aoyo Seiko. It's"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "located pretty close to JPL. Often"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "dubbed as the portal to hell, the Aoyo"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "Seiko Dam is surrounded by a cult"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "history. It even features a rock"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "formation that may look like the devil."}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "Jack Parsons, who was a co-founder to"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "JPL and a pioneer of rocket fuel,"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "believed that the Devil's Gate Dam was a"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "portal to hell. Parsons believed that"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "the area held immense magical [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "power. In the 1940s, Jack Parsons linked"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "up with Elron Hubard to perform rituals"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "at the dam. They wanted to summon"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "otherworldly spirits. He noted it as a"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "thin spot between dimensions, ultimately"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "a portal. My grandpa used to drive"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "locked semi-trailers for the military."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "Sometimes he would know what the"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "contents of the trailer were, but a lot"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "of the time he would just show up at a"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "location, pick up a trailer that had a"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "big lock on it, drive it to another"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "location, and drop it off. One time when"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "I was a little kid, I remember telling"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "him how I was like deeply fascinated by"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "UFOs. And he was like, \"Well, you know,"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "I drove some trailers into Area 51 a"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "couple of times.\" And he uh he said,"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "\"This is, you know, public information."}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "people know about it at this point. This"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "must have been like 2012, 2013. Um, as"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "far as I know, it wasn't public"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "information, but what he described to me"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "is that he drove into an airplane hanger"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "to drop off a trailer in Area 51. He was"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "parked there and uh waiting for someone"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "to come take the trailer from him. And"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "in the hanger was five large white craft"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "that were a cone with an inverted cone"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "on the bottom. They sat from the bottom"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "to the top of the hanger and around the"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "middle they had windows. Here in the UFO"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "phenomenon, this is a book I've had ever"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "since I was pretty young. Uh on page 10,"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "this is pretty much an exact depiction"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "of the craft he said was in a hanger."}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "I'm very curious why he was left alone"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "in a hanger. There's other really"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "strange things about my grandpa and"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "sometimes we wonder if maybe he was"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "being experimented on by the military."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "He always had um veteran medical status"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "even though he never fought in any war"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "or anything. And uh the more he would go"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "to the VA hospital is seemingly the"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "worse his condition got."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Every major news network, what now is"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "telling you that the biggest threat to"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "your financial future is a recession,"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "tariffs, inflation, maybe a stock market"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> correction. I want you to stop and think"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "about something. What if the real threat"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "is not that your money loses value,"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> but that your money stops being yours?"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "Not in some abstract philosophical"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "sense, I mean structurally,"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "mechanically. What if, while you have"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "been watching the markets go up and"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "down, the architecture of your entire"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "financial life has [music] been quietly"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "redesigned, and the new architecture has"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "a feature the old one never had, a third"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "lock on every transaction you will ever"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "make? I am going to show you exactly"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "what I mean, because what is happening"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "right now in Washington, in Basel, and"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "inside the Depository Trust and Clearing"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Corporation"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> is not a financial reform, but it's the"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "language they are using."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> What it actually is, if you follow the"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "structural logic, is a transfer of"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "fiscal sovereignty from elected"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "representatives to unelected financial"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "infrastructure. And I am going to prove"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "it. Here's my thesis, and I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "lay it out plainly, because on this"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "channel we do not do panic, and we do"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "not do cheerleading. We follow the logic"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "of power, we follow the incentives,"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": ">> and when you strip away the emotion and"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "the headlines, the picture always"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "becomes [music] clear."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "Today, I'm going to show you exactly"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "three things. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "First, that the legislation moving"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "through Congress right now, the GENESIS"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "Act and the CLARITY Act, is not about"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "regulating cryptocurrency. It is about"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "building a legal scaffolding for"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "programmable money."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "Second, that the DTCC, the institution"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "that custodies over 114 trillion dollars"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "in securities, has already begun live"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "production trades using tokenized"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "stocks, bonds, and [music] treasuries,"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "and most people do not even know what is"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "happening. Third, that the data center"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "build-out required to run this system is"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "so enormous that it tells you something"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "about the intended scale that no"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "official will say aloud. Let me start"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "with the facts because you need the"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "ground beneath your feet before I take"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "you into [clears throat] the analysis."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "On July 18th, 2025, the Janus Act was"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "signed into law. That is the guiding and"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "establishing National Innovation for US"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "stable coins Act. It creates a"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "comprehensive federal regulatory"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "framework for payment stable coins,"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "digital tokens pegged one-to-one to the"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "US dollar or to equivalent liquid assets"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "like Treasury bills. Issuers above $10"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "billion in circulation must register"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "under federal oversight. The Office of"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "the Comptroller of the Currency is"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "already issuing proposal [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "making as of February 2026. This is not"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "a proposal, this is law. Working"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "alongside it is the Clarity Act, the"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "Digital Asset Market Clarity Act. It"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "passed the House in July 2025."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "The Senate Banking Committee approved it"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "in May 2026 by a vote of 15 to 9. As of"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "right now, it sits on the Senate"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "calendar with no floor vote scheduled."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "Three weeks before the August 10th"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "recess,"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "this bill does something that sounds"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "technical, but is profoundly"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "consequential."}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "It creates a legal classification system"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "that determines whether a digital token"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "is a security or a commodity,"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:21", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> and it establishes registration paths"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "for exchanges, brokers, [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "dealers, and token issuers. Coinbase"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "alone spent $56 million through a super"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "PAC to help elect a Congress capable of"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "passing exactly this legislation. Now,"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "here's the part that headlines skip."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "Most coverage frames these bills as"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "crypto regulation. That reading is not"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "just shallow, it is dangerously wrong. I"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "want you to hold a concept in your mind."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "I'm going to call it the three-lock"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "architecture."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "Right now, when you buy something, there"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "are two parties to a transaction, you"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "and the seller. You have a lock, [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "the seller has a lock. If"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "[clears throat] either of you says no,"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "the transaction does not happen."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "Financial institutions can intervene"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "under anti-money laundering rules or"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "know-your-customer requirements, but"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "structurally the system is bilateral,"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "two locks. Programmable [music] money"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "introduces a third lock. Between you and"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "the seller, there is now an algorithm, a"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "set of encoded rules, that can approve,"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "deny, modify, delay, or conditionally"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "permit every single transaction."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "That is not a conspiracy theory, that is"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "the literal technical definition of"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "programmable money. [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "The Bank for International Settlements"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "itself describes the architecture this"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "way."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "In their own words, \"Tokenization"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "integrates messaging, reconciliation,"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "and settlement into a single seamless"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "operation.\" What they do not say, but"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "what the architecture necessarily"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "implies, is that the entity controlling"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "the program controls the transaction."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "That is not a financial system, that is"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "a control system. Now, let me take you"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "deeper, because this is where it gets"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "genuinely alarming."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "On July 15th,"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> 2026,"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "less than 3 weeks ago, the DTCC"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "processed live trades involving"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "tokenized stocks, ETFs, and US"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "Treasuries."}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "This was not a simulation, this was not"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "a white paper, this was production"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "trading on a distributed ledger"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "involving the backbone institution"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "of American capital markets. [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "The pilot demonstrated how tokenized"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "securities can support collateral repo"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "and equity transactions, while"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "preserving the same legal ownership"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "rights as traditional assets."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "Their full-service launch is set for"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "October 2026. I want you to memorize two"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "numbers. $114"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "trillion, that is how much the DTCC"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "currently custodizes. And 50, that is"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "the number of major financial"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "institutions that have joined the DTCC"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "industry working group to build out this"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "tokenization service."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "These are not crypto startups. These are"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "custodians, asset managers, brokers, and"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "trading venues. Think about what that"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "means. The institution that handles the"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "behind-the-scenes work of ensuring every"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "security transaction in America is"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "completed properly is now moving those"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "transactions onto a programmable"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "distributed ledger."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "The SEC [clears throat] gave them a"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "no-action letter in December of 2025"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "authorizing a 3-year pilot. The initial"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "scope covers Russell 1000 stocks, the"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "1000 largest publicly traded US"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "companies, ETFs tracking major indices,"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "and US Treasury bills, bonds, and notes."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "Does that sound like crypto regulation"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "or does it sound like the tokenization"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "of the entire market financial system?"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "Here is what almost nobody knows."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "While the DTCC was running its July"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "pilot, something even larger was"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "happening at the international level."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "On July 30th, 2026, 4 days ago at the"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "Bank for International Settlements,"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "completed its Project Agorá pilot. 28 of"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "the world's largest banks, including JP"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "Morgan,"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> Citi, UBS, and Lloyds, settled 30 real"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "cross-border transactions worth"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "approximately $1 million"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "through a shared platform using"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "tokenized central bank reserves and"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "tokenized commercial bank deposits."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "The average settlement time was 80"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "seconds across six currencies. [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "Let that sink The BIS is not talking"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "about building the system, they just"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "tested it with real money with real"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "banks. And the next phase extends into"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "the fourth quarter of 2026 [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "with definitive technical specifications"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "expected in the first quarter of 2027."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "Now, connect these dots. The Genius Act"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "provides the legal framework for [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "stable coins. The Clarity Act provides a"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "classification system for digital"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "tokens. The DTCC provides a domestic"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "infrastructure for tokenizing mortgage"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "securities."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "And the BIS provides the international"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "settlement layer connecting it all. Each"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "piece in isolation looks like a"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "reasonable financial modernization."}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "Together, they are the architecture of a"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "new monetary operating system."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "And the defining feature [music] of that"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "operating system, the feature that"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "separates it from everything that came"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "before, is programmability. Now, before"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "I continue, I want to present the"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "strongest possible argument for the"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "opposing side because I owe you the real"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "debate,"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": ">> not a simplified version. The steel man"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "case goes like this. Tokenization"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "reduces settlement times, it cuts costs,"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "and increases transparency. Cross-border"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "payments currently take days and cost"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "billions in intermediary fees."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": ">> The existing system is slow, expensive,"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "and opaque. Programmable settlement"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "using smart contracts eliminates manual"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "reconciliation, reduces counterparty"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "risk, and opens markets to broader"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "participation. The IMF itself published"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "a paper in April 2026 describing"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "tokenization as a structural improvement"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "in financial architecture."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "BlackRock's tokenized [music] fund,"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "BUIDL, has crossed $2.9 billion. The"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "total on-chain value of tokenized"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "real-world assets reached $32 billion"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "by June 2026, nearly triple the figure"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "from a year earlier. This"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "[clears throat] is not a fringe"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "movement. This is institutional capital"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "flowing in for operational reasons. And"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "I will be honest, the efficiency"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "argument is real. The current system is"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "genuinely inefficient. The steel man"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "describes the first 18 months"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "accurately."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "But the steel man cannot explain the"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "data centers. Here is the question"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "nobody in the [clears throat] efficiency"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "camp has answered. If this is about"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "faster settlement and lower costs, why"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "[music] does the physical infrastructure"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "being built look like it is designed to"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "monitor and control every financial"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "transaction on the planet. [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "Global data center electricity"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "consumption is projected to reach 565"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "terawatt hours in 2026, up 26% from the"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "year before."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> Goldman Sachs projects US data center"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "power demand will climb from 31"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "gigawatts in 2025 to 66 gigawatts by"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "2027. That is more than doubling in 2"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "The US Department of Energy found that"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "data centers consume 4.4% [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "of all US electricity in 2023 and"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "projects that figure could hit 12% by"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "2028. Over 4,500 active data center"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "facilities are operating in the United"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "[clears throat] States today with more"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "than 700 under construction across 38"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "[music] states. In Virginia alone, data"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "centers consume more than a quarter of"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "the state's electricity. You do not"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "build that much compute capacity for"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "faster stock settlement. You build that"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "much compute capacity when you intend"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "[clears throat] to process, monitor, and"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "enforce rules on every transaction in a"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "programmable financial system."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "And the question I keep asking, and I"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "have no way of knowing the answer, is"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "whether the US data center buildout is"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "designed for domestic programmable"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "finance or for global [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "programmable finance."}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "Because if you are pushing stablecoins"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "and digital tokens out to the entire"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "world through the dollar system, the"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "computer requirements are orders [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "of magnitude larger. Now, here is where"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "the structural picture gets even more"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "important, and I want you to pay close"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "attention because this is the part that"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "connects your personal financial"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "security to the geopolitical"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "architecture. There are three pillars"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "required to execute a programmable"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "control grid."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "The first is programmable money, and"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "that is what the genius act, the clarity"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "act, and the DTCC tokenization service"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "provide. The second is digital identity,"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "a [clears throat] persistent digital"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "identifier to your transactions, your"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "assets, and your compliance status. The"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "third is the physical surveillance and"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "hardware layer, the data centers, the"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "cameras, the connected infrastructure."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "All three are being built"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "simultaneously, [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "and the countries that went furthest"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "down this road first are now pulling"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "back. Sweden abandoned its plans for an"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "all digital e-krona in 2023."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "Sweden's Defense Ministry now"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "distributes brochures advising"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "households to keep at least a week's"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "supply of banknotes on hand, citing the"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "vulnerability of electronic banking to"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "cyber warfare."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "Sweden's Central Bank governor has"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "stated publicly [clears throat] that"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "people should always be able to pay for"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "food, health care, and medicine with"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "cash. Switzerland is moving toward"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "enshrining cash in its constitution."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "That is not a group of countries that"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "tried digital money and found it"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "convenient. That is a group of countries"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "that tried digital money and realized"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "what it actually is."}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "Here are my three predictions. Write"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "these down, come back in 60 days, and"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "tell me whether I was right or wrong."}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "Prediction number one, the Clarity Act"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "will not pass the full Senate before the"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "August 10th recess."}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "The freedom of speech walking,"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "Democratic votes, ethics provisions,"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "DeFi treatment, and CFTC jurisdictional"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "boundaries will not be resolved in 3"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "weeks."}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": ">> However, it will pass during the"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "post-election lame-duck session between"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "November and December 2026. The"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "political incentives are too aligned and"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "the lobbying money too large for it to"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "die."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "When it passes, the legal scaffolding"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "for programmable money will be complete."}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "Prediction number two, by the end of the"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "first quarter of 2027, the DTCC's"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "tokenization service will have expanded"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "beyond the initial Wisdom Tree 1000"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "scope. Watch for announcements covering"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "municipal bonds, corporate debt, and"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "mortgage-backed securities. The moment"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "those asset classes are tokenized, the"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "programmability of the system extends"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "from public equities into the debt that"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "underlies American household wealth."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "That is the threshold that matters."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "Precaution number three,"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:33", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": ">> watch what the Federal Reserve does not"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "say about programmable money."}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:37", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": ">> The Fed will not publicly endorse a"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "central bank digital [music] currency."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "They will not need to. The private"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "sector tokenization infrastructure being"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "built by the DTCC, the stablecoin"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "framework established by the Genius Act,"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "and the bias settlement layer built"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "through Project Hamilton will accomplish"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "the same functional outcome without"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "requiring the political toxicity of the"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "term CBDC."}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:00", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": ">> Watch for what they do not say. That"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "silence is a signal. Here are three"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "things I want you to watch in the next"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "90 days. First, watch the Senate"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "calendar around the Clarity Act. Every"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "delay [music] between now and August"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "10th increases the probability of a lame"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "duck passage, which means less public"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "scrutiny and less debate."}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "The scheduling decisions of the Senate"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "majority leader in the next two weeks"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "are the single most concrete signal of"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "timing."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "Second, watch the DTCC's October"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "full-service launch. The July pilot was"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "limited production. October is"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "operational readiness. Pay attention to"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "which blockchain networks are authorized"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "and which financial institutions opt in"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "during the first 30 days."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "The adoption curve [music] in those"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "first 30 days will tell you how fast the"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "rest of the system follows. Third, and"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "this one is personal, watch your own"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "transaction patterns."}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "Every time you use a digital payment,"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "you are generating data that feeds the"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "system being built around you."}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "Cash is not a relic."}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:01", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": ">> Cash is the only payment technology that"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "does not require permission from"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "[clears throat] a third party to"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "function."}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "Here is a question I want to leave you"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "with."}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "Every monetary system in history has"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "been a social contract. The currency"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "works because we collectively agree it"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "works. Gold worked because we agreed."}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "Paper works because we agree."}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "Digital ledgers work just we agree."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "But every previous form of money had one"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "thing in common. Once it was in your"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "hands, it was yours. You decided when to"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "spend it, where to spend it, and on"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "what."}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "Programmable money breaks that"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "[clears throat] contract. It is still"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "called money. It still looks like money."}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "But it has a feature that no money in"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "human history has ever had."}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "The ability for someone other than you"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "to decide whether your transaction is"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "permitted. The question is not whether"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "this system is being built. It is being"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "[clears throat] built. The question is"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "not whether the technology works. It"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "works."}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "The BIS just proved it works across six"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "currencies in 80 seconds."}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "The question is the one that every"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "civilization eventually faces. Who holds"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "the key to the third lock? The most"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "dangerous financial system is not the"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "one that crashes, it is the one that"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "works perfectly for whoever controls it."}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:41", "text": ">> I ain't going in there."}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:56", "text": ">> Oh."}]

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I don't really like that."}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> But speaking of optics, Jared Dief."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "You know what you know what some great"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "optics are?"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> Yeah, where?"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> When you're the sitting president of the"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "United States"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "and your extremely unqualified real"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "estate buddy, who has been"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "unsuccessfully negotiating along with"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "Jared Kushner, the"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "implosion of what's happening in this"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "Iran war"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> for many months now, who's been a"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "disaster of a Middle East envoy, when"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "the two of you, you, the president, and"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "this guy, Steve Witkoff,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "decide to come together while you're"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "still in office"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "and market off your name, the Trump name"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "and the Witkoff name,"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "a brand new bank."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> They're off that Penn State pack."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> This from gay"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Coming up [snorts] with ideas like that."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> That's all I'm going to say about that."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> This is from Karen Piper on Twitter. The"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "Trump and Witkoff families are opening a"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "bank in Florida. The investors in this"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "bank are undisclosed. It will not"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> It will not have to follow FDIC rules."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": ">> And she says, pure spec here on Karen's"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "part, I smell a money laundering"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "opportunity. Now, let's let's read the"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "bylaws that that there are whatever the"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "[ __ ] this is."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> And then she screenshotted So, hold on,"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "it gets worse, folks. Upon opening, WLTC"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "will be a national trust bank engaged in"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "activities permissible under Section 92A"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "of the National Bank Act, including the"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "issuance of USD1,"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "a fiat-backed digital asset. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "to come back to this in a minute."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "Designed to maintain a one-to-one"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "equivalence to the US dollar. WLTC will"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "also manage, that's the bank, the"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "required reserve backing outstanding"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "USD1 comprised of US dollars on deposit"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "in financial institutions as well as US"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "government money market funds and cash"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "equivalents and engage in custodial"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "activities. The sponsor's primary goals"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "are to deliver superior financial"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "products and drive mainstream adoption."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:20", "text": ">> Mainstream adoption."}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": ">> of USD1 which will be issued by WLTC."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "Along with issuance and redemption of"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "USD1 and maintenance of the required"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "reserve, WLTC seeks to provide digital"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "asset custody services to institutional"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "investors as described in detail in"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "section 3.A of WLT's confidential"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "business plan provided at confidential"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "exhibit B cuz we got to be"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "confidentially confidential about this"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "because obviously we don't need to be"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "letting the public know about what we're"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "doing."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "The optics of a sitting president and"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "his [ __ ] unelected envoy opening up a"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "bank that is going to be using said bank"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "to push forward a digital currency that"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "they stand to profit on through their"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "company that they're setting up here."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "The optics are pretty bad there."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "And when we're living in a world and"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "this and you know,"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "who knows what the grand plan is with"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "USD1 which I'm going to explain more in"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "a second but like"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "so [snorts] we'll find out then. But"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "when you have people like me and you"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "righteously worried about central bank"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "digital currencies and stuff, someone so"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "high in the power structure setting up"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "their own currency that's crypto backed"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "with a brand new [ __ ] bank that"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "they're setting up almost like a sunset"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "clause after they leave office."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": ">> [sighs and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": ">> Yeah, I I think it's fair to say the tin"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "foil hat's getting a few buzzes at the"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "top of it. Little little electromagnetic"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "waves if you will, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> Yeah, especially when you're leading the"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "adoption of this cool new said digital"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "currency. Um, I don't really like that."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> I don't I Joey Dief doesn't like that."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "That's on the record."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> Cuz what happens when you're not the"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "president anymore? You guys are still"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "This is you know"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> doesn't sit well with me. I'm at a loss"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "for words. How you doing?"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> You're at a loss for words."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> I don't know. I enjoyed being Donald."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> Yeah, he done."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "Let's Let's talk about what USD1 is"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "though. This is straight from Google AI,"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "you know, the most basic"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "AI there is that definitely is not in"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "any way compromised. Anyway, USD1"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "[snorts] is a digital dollar pegged"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "stablecoin created by World Liberty"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "Financial, a cryptocurrency venture"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "co-funded co-founded by Donald Trump and"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "his family. Of course, it's family"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "affair."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "What USD1 is."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "USD1 is a cryptographic digital asset"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "designed to maintain a stable value of"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "$1 US."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": ">> It is backed by cash equivalents,"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "short-term US government treasury bonds"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "cuz of course we got to get the"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "government and their bonds involved. And"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "dollar deposits. Launched in March 2025,"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "it has grown significantly reaching over"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "$4 billion in"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "circulation."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "The newly approved World Liberty Trust"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "company received preliminary conditional"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "approval for a federal national trust"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "bank charter, which is what we just read"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "from the Office of the Comptroller of"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "the Currency."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "Of course, the government that he runs"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "gave the approval for the [ __ ] thing"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "that they're asking for."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> That makes sense."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> how that would happen."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:07", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": ">> Well, what's important is that it"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "removes middlemen."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:11", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": ">> This charter allows the trust company to"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "to directly issue, redeem, and manage"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "the cash reserves themselves backing"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "USD1 instead of relying on external"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "third-party"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": ">> custodians like BitGo."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": ">> It's It's good biz, Joey Dief. You cut"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "out the middleman, you create more"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "vertical integration yourself, and boom."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> Right? I can't argue with that."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> It's good biz, I guess. They got to do"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": ">> operates strictly as a trust bank rather"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "than traditional consumer bank. It does"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "not issue standard consumer loans or"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "hold ordinary retail bank deposits cuz"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "that would require them to work with"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "some normal people, which you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "that's not a part of his base at all,"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "No."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "No."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "I don't know"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "who tells him, him being Donald Trump,"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "that it's a good idea to do this stuff."}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "Or maybe he just genuinely doesn't give"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "a [ __ ] and wants to continue playing"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "opposite day and rubbing it in your face"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "and, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> I'll take that one, yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> Yeah, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> I'll take that one."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> And behaving like what appears to be a"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "very, very big Trojan horse."}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "Whatever it is,"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "if there is someone who's advising him"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "to do these things and telling him that"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "it looks good,"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "allow us to be the"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "realm of common sense here and say,"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "\"Stop.\""}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "None of this looks good."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "It This doesn't require a tin foil hat"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "to at least a certain level here, for"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "sure. This is just a bad look. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "profiting, in my opinion,"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "profiting off the presidency. His whole"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "thing"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "that he said when he came out in 2015,"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "at first it was, \"I'm totally"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "self-funding my campaign. I'm not doing"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "this, so, you know, I I could just go"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "back to be a billionaire,\" which was"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "fair."}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "And then he got in office, he said, \"I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "not taking whatever it is, the $400,000"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "salary the president gets or whatever,"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "and I'm removing myself from my"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "businesses.\""}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "Okay. Cool."}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "But now we're in term two and his"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "family's We've already laid out a bunch"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "of"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "family's profiting off of"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": ">> Weeks and weeks of it."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": ">> Weeks and weeks and weeks of it, you"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "know, we'll keep going through it as we"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "find more. And now he's just directly"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "involved."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> I saw data, maybe we can pull it up,"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "Joey. Did you find it and pull this up"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "before? But that he just had like his"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "most successful Donald Trump and his in"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "his publicly available financial"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "disclosures had his most successful year"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "ever or something last year."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "It's like"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "it just stinks, man."}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "Like these are the same guys"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "that, even fairly so we're calling out"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "corruption with like Hunter Biden and"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "the Bidens and selling access and stuff"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "like that which by the way they had a"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "lot of evidence for that. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "arguing with that at all."}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "But we're you know, they're talking"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "about $10 million and $20 which is a lot"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "of money."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "But we're talking about things that are"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "in the billions."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "with these guys."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "You know, I and I came up with a line"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "the other day with Joby Warrick. We're"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "going to have another episode with him"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "coming out on Tuesday his fourth time on"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "the podcast. Really really enjoyed that"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "one great discussion just recorded it"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "you know, I was like"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "the Biden administration"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "was akin to someone turning the [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "water on and leaving the house for 3"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "weeks."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "The Trump administration is akin to"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "someone busting the [ __ ] pipes and"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "leaving the house for 3 weeks. They're"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "both bad. They both waste water. One's"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "doing it passively. One's doing it"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "aggressively."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "At this point I don't see any data"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "from our respective power structures"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "that end up in the White House that can"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "show me otherwise."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "You are literally stuck with just bad"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "choice and bad choice which it's been"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "that way objectively for a while in my"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "opinion."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "I should I should say subjectively in my"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "opinion there and that wouldn't make"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "sense to say objectively but it's been"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "that way for a while."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "But god damn it's like that old sign."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "Our expectations were low but [ __ ] Holy"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "[ __ ] man."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "Like this low?"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "It's dumb. Thank you guys for watching"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "the episode. If you haven't already,"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "please hit that subscribe button and"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "smash that like button on the video."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "They're both a huge huge help and if you"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "would like to follow me on Instagram and"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "X those links are in my description"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "below."}]

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That's where you go, Joey"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "D."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "And so,"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "I think what you got to do is go back to"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "where Henry talks about the Arab Spring"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "So, when the Arab Spring happens back in"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "2011,"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "all these nations, it started Was it"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "Tunisia it started in and then it was"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "Egypt right after that?"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> after. I think Yeah, it didn't start in"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "Egypt?"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> Egypt was tech- Remember Bassem said"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "they were technically second."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> And I think it was Tunisia that was"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "first."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. Yeah, you're right."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Obviously, they had massive uprisings."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "It was the first time that social media"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "led to a massive social movement that"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "enacted government changes in major"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "countries. This started to be all kinds"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "of uprisings across a lot of other"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "countries all across the Middle East and"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "there were a lot of governments"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "stretching as far as Russia that were"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "very concerned about the precedent set"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "here. I think at one point, Henry"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "mentions this in the article, there were"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "like 120,000"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "protesters outside the Kremlin and Putin"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "was like, \"Yo, that [ __ ] can't be"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "[ __ ] happening, fam.\""}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Yeah, that was the color revolution."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah. We we we ain't doing this."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "at the time,"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "MBZ"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "did exactly what what everybody does."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "He invested in an Israeli spy company."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "An Israeli-run spy company to create"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "surveillance on the citizens"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> Hell yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": ">> so that nothing"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "would happen. And by nothing, I mean his"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "power would not be in question. Joey D,"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "is that what you would have done?"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": ">> Yeah, I mean, you got to you got to lock"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "it down."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> You do have to lock it down."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> You have to lock down batten up the"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "hatches."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> It's almost like remember MSG how they"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "were doing this with flock surveillance"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "systems or whatever? It's It's like"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "teeing it right up for LA. They're going"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "to have both coasts covered."}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> Funny you say that, Joey D, because I I"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "believe at some point in this article"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> He does, yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": ">> He mentions Henry Abbott mentions James"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "Dolan. James Dolan, you know, he had"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "surveillance for everyone except [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "people that were kids,"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": ">> Oh, man."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": ">> You know, I I'm not going to name names"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "there. I don't want a defamation suit,"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "but I think you know who I'm talking"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "about. At least Let me Let me correct"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "the record in a lawyerly way. People who"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "were strongly associated with every"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "warning sign in sight with certain"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "people named like, oh, I don't know,"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "Jeffrey Epstein, who was"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "in charge of an a giant a giant"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "trafficking operation"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "the kids. And uh by the way, this"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "story's going to include Epstein. That's"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "coming. But just to give you an idea on"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "the exact details cuz it Henry does have"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "it about who MBZ invested in when he saw"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "the Arab Spring coming down the pike."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "Henry says"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "MBZ saw the fast-moving revolt as a"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "threat to his monarchy. To tighten"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "security, MBZ turned to Asia Global"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Technologies, a company based in"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Switzerland. That's where you go, Joey"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "D."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Asia Global Technologies"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> based out of Switzerland."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> Hold on, it's going to get deeper."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> I like that."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:13", "text": ">> It's founder, remember,"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "Asian Technologies in Switzerland"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "founded by Matanya Kachavi,"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "an Israeli with a background in"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> Makes sense."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:21", "text": ">> It makes sense."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> The trifecta."}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:27", "text": ">> It's It is the trifecta. Swiss, Israeli,"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": ">> China. Well, Asia, hey."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "Could be"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:31", "text": ">> I'm assuming China."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": ">> Could be Taiwan."}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": ">> Taiwan. It could be Taiwan."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> Which Korea?"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": ">> Imagine Imagine an Israeli Korean."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "That's a funny thing to think about."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": ">> Kim Jong-un went to school, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:45", "text": ">> No [ __ ] way. Did he"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> Switzerland."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> Oh, I thought you were going"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": ">> I fell in love with Dennis Rodman in"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "Switzerland. That's so funny."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> Anyway, pause."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> In February 2011, Abu Dhabi awarded Oh,"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "I forgot. It's international chairman,"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "referring to the founder the company"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "founded by Matanya Kachavi, the Israeli"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "with the background intelligence. It's"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "international chairman was Martin"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "Edelman. In February 2011, Abu Dhabi"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "awarded AGT a $600 million contract to"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "install a statewide surveillance system,"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "a project named Falcon Eye, which is not"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "dystopian at all. In effect, the source"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "close to the project told the"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "London-based news site Middle East Eye,"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "quote, \"Every person\" and this is in"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "2011, people."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "\"Every person is monitored from the"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "moment they leave their doorstep to the"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "moment they return to it. Their work,"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "social, and behavioral patterns are"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "recorded, analyzed, and archived."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "It sounds like science fiction, but it's"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "happening today in Abu Dhabi.\""}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": ">> This is how they responded to the Arab"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Spring years ago. And and let me take a"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "quick tangent here. I'm going to come"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "back right to where we are in this"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "story. Joe DeFalco, make sure I don't"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "lose my spot."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "one of the things that in having some"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "really constructive conversations with"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "different people over the over"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "long day here over the last week that"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "has come up is people saying, \"You're"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "getting so upset about Flock"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "when we already got these things sitting"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "here in our hands.\" And of course, I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "holding up my iPhone if you're"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "listening, not watching."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "And trust me, I think this is a huge"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "problem. I think that the access and"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "security that we give up on these phones"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "is absolutely an issue behind the"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "scenes. I think it's"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "it's a Pandora's Box that's been opened"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "and now cannot be closed and it scares"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "the [ __ ] out of me with what can be done"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "with that. We've seen plenty of We"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "talked about Pegasus a million times"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "on the show. That's going to come up"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "today, again, by the way. You know, and"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "things like that that can infiltrate"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "your phone."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "Here's one difference in semantics, and"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "I want to highlight in semantics that I"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "see with the phones that makes it more"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "difficult before I explain why I have a"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "problem with the flock prob- with the"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "flock cameras that are appearing in"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "public places."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "When you're talking about a phone, it's"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "something that is a part of you that you"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "use on your own. You do use it"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "everywhere, and it tracks your location,"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "and that [ __ ] is certainly an issue."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "But, at home, you're using it, and there"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "is this right to privacy that still"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "exists through all kinds of Supreme"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "Court interpretations of the"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "Constitution that happened throughout"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "our country's history. And so, I used"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "the example of"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "Thank you, guys, for watching the"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "episode. 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I have some I feel like those"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "checks are going to bounce if he gets"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "them at all."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": ">> Yeah, he had had some of the cities in"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "the heartland and the coast."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "And what was interesting is Baghdadi,"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "the leader of ISIS, decided that he"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "wasn't moving fast enough and so they"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "created a separate thing which became"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "ISIS"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "within within Syria. But Jolani was"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "hardcore. 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Uh"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "maybe he's just very pragmatic and and"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "has realized that if he wants to succeed"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "he needs to stop alienating everybody"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "else around him the way that"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "ISIS certainly always did."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "but you know, kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "you know, every time I see him speak I I"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "keep thinking this this guy was was this"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "serious terrorist. He was on the on the"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "most wanted list. He was"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "you know, we considered him the worst of"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "the worst. And now he's leader of a"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "country which is just crazy. Playing"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "basketball. So it's nuts. It's it's one"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "of these things that I"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "I didn't think for honestly I didn't"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "think that that the Assad regime was was"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "going to ever be driven out. I just"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "thought I didn't I didn't see"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "It seemed like around 2013,"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "2014"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "when"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "it just it seemed when the when the"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "Iranians and the Russians both decided"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "they were all in and keeping Assad in"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "power"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "there just didn't seem to be an exit."}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "There wasn't any way for him to be"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "driven out. The Americans and the other"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "neighbors weren't willing to invest"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "enough"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> of in the opposition to kind of drive"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "them out. So it's just going to be this"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "permanent bad situation and a kind of a"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "military stalemate with the parts of"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "Syria still"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "run [clears throat] by opposition"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "groups, particularly by Julani's"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "organization, which was a kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "Al-Qaeda related group."}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": ">> But they also had hundreds of like"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "subgroups duking it out like it was Mad"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "Max Fury Road."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:46", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": ">> In Syria this whole time, which that was"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "the one part that never made sense to me"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "cuz that was going on for so many years."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "I'm like, what does"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "how much does Assad even get to control?"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": ">> You know? It's like is he collecting"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "taxes from people in from the Kurds in"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "the south? I some I feel like those"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "checks are going to bounce if he gets"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "them at all."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Yeah, he had had some of the cities in"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "the heartland and the coast and big"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "chunks of the rest of country were"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "not under Syria control and and ISIS was"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "heavily you know involved in the eastern"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "part of the country."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "These Al-Qaeda related groups are in the"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "north backed by Turkey in some cases."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "And and like you're right,"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "a hundred other literally hundreds of of"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "subgroups and local militias. Some of"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "them with their own kind of funding from"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "Gulf Arab countries."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "And it was just"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "lawless kind of Mad Max kind of place"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "the one thing that Julani / Al-Shabaab"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "has done is is is mostly consolidated"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "control. So it's you know, it's a it's a"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "unified government for the most part."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "But it's it seems very very precarious"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "to me."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> When you say consolidated control?"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> That is right. He is"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "Yeah, like I said, he's no Democrat."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "He's an autocratic leader."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "But, he's"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> Kind of like the dictator."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Right. But, he knows that he looks good"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "in a suit."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> He knows how to say the right things at"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "a at a at a conference, shake hands with"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "diplomats. So, he's been surprising."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "But, uh but yeah, I just I I'm not"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "completely convinced that he's a"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "different guy than he used to be."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": ">> I would pay to be a fly on the wall in"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "those conversations once they go in the"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "rooms after doing the cameras where"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "someone says, \"Listen, I'm a"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "motherfucker.\""}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, no doubt."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": ">> All right. All right. You You killed 10"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "of your secretaries. All right. Fine."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "You do this [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> Like, it's got to be some sort of"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "business agreement there, for sure."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:33", "text": ">> And there"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "And I must say in that region they're"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "they're used to kind of these"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "complexities and they're kind of working"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "out as businessmen."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "And you don't cross certain lines,"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "otherwise you get whacked. It's it's"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "very mafia-like."}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> That's another argument though"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "similar when you look at that country"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "and, you know, the outcome's still kind"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "of up in the air with what it'll be."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "Maybe there's a couple okay signs right"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "now, but that was a country ravaged by"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "sanctions again that turned into that"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "crazy war zone"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "arguably because the sanctions pushed"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "them there. I mean, you were reporting"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "on literally witnessing all the trucks"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "coming across with what was it? Crank or"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:10", "text": ">> Yeah, it was Yeah, it was it was"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "Captagon."}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:13", "text": ">> Captagon."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> This is weird"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "slightly I guess a bit like meth. It's"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "it's a strange synthetic drug that yeah,"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "sanctions"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "dried up sources of income for the for"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "the Syrian regime. And so, they"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "essentially turned to Captagon to create"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "revenue for themselves and so became"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "basically the world's biggest"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "narco-state. And it massive amounts of"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "drug manufacturing with shipments of,"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "you know, millions and millions of these"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "Captagon tablets heading out all over"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "the world, particularly the Middle East."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "But, it was just this That was You can't"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "say it's it's a direct result of of"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "sanctions, but it was certainly a side"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "effect."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> Yes. And it's that's that begs the"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "question. It's like"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "how much of the whole like sanction"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "strategy is just trying to big dick"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "people you maybe righteously don't like,"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "by the way,"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "when you can take a bad situation and"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "technically make it way worse by doing"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "that. How else do you solve it other"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "than like invading the country?"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> Sanctions became kind of like the easy"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "fix for us because it didn't require any"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "real effort. We don't have to send"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "troops anywhere. We can just say, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "we're going to sanction this country.\""}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "And and then we create a sanctions"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "regime that stays in effect for decades."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "It loses its effectiveness. People find"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "ways to get around it. And then it just"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "becomes kind of a shell of a policy,"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "kind of a way to make us feel good about"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "things without"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "doing anything good and sometimes doing"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "things kind of bad, like creating a drug"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "a drug economy that didn't exist."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Yeah, that's uh"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "unfortunate, but we'll see how it shakes"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "out, I guess."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "That said,"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "button on the video. 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So I'm being"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "present."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "I'm doing everything I can for whatever"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "generational curses I had with me to be"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "chained to me and to be drowned with me"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "when I leave and not be passed on to"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "her. So that's one aspect of it."}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> Like men"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "mentalities on life kind of thing or"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Yeah, like being present, you know,"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "being positive about [ __ ] not being"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "paranoid all the time. I'm changing some"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "of that aspects."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Uh focusing on her education, uh putting"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "in her into like sports and like"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "figuring her life out in a in a in a in"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "a better way and cutting out alcohol,"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "which has been a ginormous uh weight on"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "my family for generations."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> Congrats on that. What are you, 5, 6"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "years out?"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> 5 years."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": ">> That's awesome."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:49", "text": ">> Um shout out to my sponsor,"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "uh Randy, lead singer of Lamb of God, is"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "my sponsor."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": ">> Shout out, Randy."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": ">> Randy is the best [ __ ] sponsor in the"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "world. Uh he's talked me down so many"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "times. Um but uh, and so I know sobriety"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "is not for everybody. Like I I get it."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "Like drinking, [ __ ] I remember it, man."}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "I wasn't a drinker that would drink"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "like, \"Hey, let's have some whiskey and"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "I was like, \"Hey, guys, it was a good"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "good talk to you.\""}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Go to my house and drink like a 12-pack"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "or maybe half a bottle of mezcal and"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "chase."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Go into the sleep the the uh dreamless"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "sleep stage was my favorite thing to go"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "into."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": ">> Dreamless sleep stage."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": ">> Drunk sleep is no dreams."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "That That's That's what I was always"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "running after. And basically I put a"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "pause button on all my dreams for for"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "years, which is not good for your mental"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "health, apparently."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": ">> Um, so when I finally let that go, I I"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "had all of them show up at once. That's"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "pretty [ __ ] wild, right? Um,"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "the whole aspect of of death in my life"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "is uh"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "you can have many deaths in one life."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "People think it's like a destination."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "It's not."}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "what's the only eternal thing you can"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "experience in this"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "simulation that we're in?"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> Now. It's always going to be now."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": ">> Presence."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "So, that's one."}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "How many times can you die in one"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "lifetime? [ __ ] ton. Dude, I've been"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "reinvented myself like four times"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "already."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "And it's it's it's uh not easy."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "death shouldn't be something you fear."}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "It shouldn't be."}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "You want to"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "meet it on it on your own terms, you"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "know? You don't want it to show up"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "suddenly. You don't want to walk in"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "traffic or anything [ __ ] like that."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "But death shouldn't be viewed as a"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "pursuing predator behind you."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "Death shouldn't be viewed as a"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "destination you're dreading."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "It should be something next to you."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> Next to you."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> Yeah, reminding you"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "you're going to die. Enjoy it."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> Enjoy it."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> And how do you enjoy it?"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "Right now. Being present, you know."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "And that's that's that's the philosophy"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "behind that. People have taken that and"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "turned it into a whole myriad of [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "And I gave a I gave a a statue that had"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "a drug load inside of it way back when"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "that I found to Shawn Ryan. It was empty"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "by then."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "Uh but I just gave this cool souvenir."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "And I think he shot it with a rifle"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "because of"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "a Christian guy he had said that was"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "demonic."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "All the alcohol bottles behind it"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "weren't demonic, but that statue"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "specifically was kind of he said it was"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "demonic."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> it?"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> He shot it. Which is fine. It's just a"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "[ __ ] statue. Like it doesn't mean"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "anything."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "But all those alcohol bottles behind the"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "statue were"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "way more costly for people."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "So I I found that interesting. That was"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "kind of separate."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:44", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> Um there's"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "in my life I think, yeah, death has been"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "very present in my life."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "And the more I ran from it or the more I"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "kind of like try to skirt it or fear it"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "or like look away, the worse it got for"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "me. So once I accepted it,"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "it's funny. The samurai's talk about it."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "You know, most warrior cultures talk"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "about it. It's something that's it's"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "been with us forever. You know, there's"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "always this memento mori or just being"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "realizing that death is"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "essential."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": ">> Would you say you fear or don't fear"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "death at this point?"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": ">> I fear a purposeless life."}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": ">> A purposeless life. Well, you haven't"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "lived a purposeless life, so I think"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "you're in good shape. But"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> And and and through that I I that's how"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "I I venerate life."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:31", "text": ">> And there is no life without death,"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "though."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> So that's"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": ">> It's the yin and the yang, right?"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": ">> Yeah, the secret is the secret of the"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "yin and the yang is that they're both"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "the same."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": ">> I think that's my that's my personal at"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "least philosophy with these."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> You know, I look at I look at a full"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "picture of all the things you've done"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "though, and the mentality that at one"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "point you had like I got to go out in a"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "in a ball lightning and all that."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> And yet all the situations you were in"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "where you could have just taken one step"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "to the left and said I'll let that one"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "hit me. That's badass. You didn't."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> There's something in"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> I tried."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": ">> The way Yeah, you tried, but the way you"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "think about it is you're trying."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": ">> But something in you was a survivor,"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "too."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> Isn't that fascinating that like you"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "could think one thing"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": ">> and while actively thinking that, act"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "the other way, and now here you are. And"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "you have a daughter, you're a father,"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "like your life is has an importance that"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "is even beyond the stuff you were doing"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "in so many ways."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "The the the biggest thing that like I I"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "I talk to people that went through [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "all the time. Um"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "Uh I had a pretty amazing conversation"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "with Eddie Gallagher, for example."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> Mhm. Shout out Eddie."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": ">> Eddie is an amazing man. An amazing You"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "know You know how I know he's amazing?"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "His family."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> His family's awesome. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> There's no way to fake that."}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:53", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": ">> That's how you That's That's And"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "whenever I ask people like, \"Hey, you"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "want to judge me?"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "Meet my kid and ask her what she thinks"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "about me.\""}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:06:59", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "With everybody that I've met that gone"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "through some [ __ ] heavy [ __ ] I always"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "I always compare notes. I'm like, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "how do you deal with it?\" You know?"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:08", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "There's [snorts] always this"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "sadness"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "in a lot of us."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "This feeling that we've missed out or"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "that we are not going to get to have"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "something that we see around us all all"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "the time. Which is"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "people taking everything for granted."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "You know? Just walking walking through"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "life, [ __ ] eating whatever they want,"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "[ __ ] doing horrible [ __ ] to other"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "people, just being self-centered,"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "[ __ ] just being these narcissistic"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "monsters."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "Uh and they win in life sometimes, you"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "know? And people like us that actually"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "did something with our lives that went"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "and fought in battles and wars that were"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "not our own, but that's what we went"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "after."}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "Uh we sacrificed a lot and we didn't"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "come back complete."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "There is an amputation in violence that"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "happens and there's a chemical change in"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "violence that happens and a lot of us"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "don't come back the same."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "A lot of us do not come back the same."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "And we expect the worst of the world"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "because we've seen it. So, like"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "one thing I used to have a lot, still"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "every now and then I get it. I'm in a"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "good place. I'm at peace. I'm in a"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "birthday celebration with these people"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "that I I I love."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "then I'm smelling burnt flesh."}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> Because I walking into a room where"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "somebody just got [ __ ] burned alive."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": ">> in some horrible place I'm in in my"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "past. So,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "it is like a time"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "tunnel. You go back and forth and it is"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "difficult to kind of move through. Um"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "and somewhere in that is the self-hatred"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "that you get from it."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": ">> Self-hatred?"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "Because you were there or"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": ">> Because my issues are affecting people"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "around me and I'm I'm I'm unbearable."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "Uh there's something wrong with me."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "you isolate. You use drugs. You drank."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "You There's a bunch of ways we figure"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "out how to self-sabotage. And yeah,"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "you're suicidal one day and you're like,"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "\"Okay, I'm I'm done with that. I don't"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "want to kill myself.\""}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "Why are you eating like [ __ ] though?"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "Oh. Oh, that's Oh, let me get rid of"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "Why are you going after all these"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "horrible women?"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "Why are you living that way?"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "you know, you ask me like you think I've"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "gotten rid of it like rid of this"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "self-destructive thing? I think I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "I think I'm in a room right now where"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "I've seen how it could be"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "uh in my life."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "I met an amazing woman."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "It's always usually women that kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "pull you out of that [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": ">> Ain't that funny?"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": ">> Uh completely opposite of me."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "She's horrified about all this."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "She's horrified."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": ">> She's like all of this is like"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "she"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "she has put a mirror up to my face."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "A kind mirror."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> It's hard to see the realities of who"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "you are and I like like"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "what what I'm known for and all the"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "things that I do."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "Dude, I'm a nerd, you know? I like going"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "to my house and just reading a book or"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "watching the Lord of the Rings"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "expanded"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "version, you know?"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "Uh I'm not into any of this war fighting"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "[ __ ] I don't I don't I don't I don't"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "I'm I'm not into that. Every now and"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "then I get asked to go to a gun range."}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "Yeah, I like shooting, but I'm not into"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "it, man. I'd rather"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "I don't know. I'd rather go to a beach"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "and walk walk walk my girlfriend's dog"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "there or something, you know? That's I"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "don't that's not I'm not after any of"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "that. Um"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "there's [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "there's a there's a painting behind me"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "which is reminds me of where I'm at, you"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "know? I don't want to go to heaven"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "wherever wherever Maximus wanted to go"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "to."}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "But I I've always had this vision."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "And this vision is of me"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "drowning in a pool of water holding on"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "to all the chains that I wrapped myself"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "in throughout my life."}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "And instead of handing them to my"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "daughter"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "I just hug them with me and I just go"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "into the water."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "And I think that would be a good ending."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "a lot of the [ __ ] that we think is"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "special or individual to us. Like I have"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "no Nobody's ever gone through this. Like"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "look at how [ __ ] I am."}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:40", "text": ">> Like"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "if you go back one, two members of your"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "family, it's the same thing. And we're"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "just repeating it over and over again."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": ">> I I came from that and I just don't want"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "to repeat it anymore."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "And dude, fresh starts."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "Um you can get them. You can get second"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "chances. You can get a new life. And"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "again, death is always present, but you"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "can die a lot of times in life. And I"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "think that's where I'm at."}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "I'm uh I'm going through"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "uh another resurrection."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": ">> Ooh, that's a good way to put it."}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> You know what though, you've made you've"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "clearly made some amazing decisions in"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "your life at multiple points"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "to make a turn in the road."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:24", "text": ">> And I think you deserve a ton of credit"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "for that cuz that's a lot of times"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "that's the hardest part cuz that you got"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "to get right on the other side of that."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "It could be something like you know, you"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "went through alcoholism and came off the"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "other side of that. I'm sure the"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "beginning of that sucked."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": ">> [ __ ] that [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": ">> It's your body's just like fighting back"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "against itself."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:41", "text": ">> You want to die."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "But like"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "I think the I'm always so amazed by the"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "ability of people whether it's alcohol"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "or a drug or something like that to then"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "be finally have a moment where they're"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "like no more. And then they get through"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "that hard part and then it gets slightly"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "easier. And it's slow, but it's slightly"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "easier because they earn it. And that"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "that's that's the mental fortitude to do"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "that is never lost on me. I"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "I think that's awesome. And like, you"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "know, you've gone through so much and so"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "much personal trauma and seen so much"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "[ __ ] Like you can never delete that"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "hard drive. But to see you in a place"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "where like you survived all of it, you"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "did a lot of things where you made sure"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "you pulled yourself up to survive on it,"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "which is a great example for everyone,"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "not the least of which is your daughter."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "And like you have multiple purposes in"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "your life like being a father and you"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "know so someone that that"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "like you said is taking the chains of"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "the things that you've brought up and"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "trying to bury them with you so that"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "it's not passed on. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "I certainly can judge you, Carlos,"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "because you've been a terrible human"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "being, but I'm walking to this meeting"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "as a very curious, interested person who"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "just wants to know what happened."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "I want to give you the chance to tell me"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "your story. And I find that people"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "really respond to that, even if they may"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "be resistant in most cases to speaking"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "to the press or to talking to an author."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "But if you come"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "at it that you're not prejudging them,"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "and that you it's not about your ego,"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "cuz I I feel like that's should not be"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "in the way of of a of a conversation,"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "that it should be about trying to get"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "information."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Looking at his life, like just"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "estimating it, I'd need four full"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "podcasts."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. You absolutely would."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> Yeah, I would need four three-hour"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "podcasts. It would need to be about 12"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "hours to really"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> get down and dirty on the details from a"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "storytelling"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "step-by-step"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "psychological profile, like culmination"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "of it all."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": ">> And then you'd need a whole other"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "episode at the end to say, \"Well, in"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "after my research, this was crap, this"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "was and he did he made this this didn't"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "really happen.\" Um cuz that's the way it"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "is with Carlos. He's He's"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "uh he's not a reliable witness to his"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "own"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "life's events."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Right. You're plugging in playing, like"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "you said, as far as like things you"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "already know, what information he can"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "corroborate or where you know he's going"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "to lie about something because you"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "already have the other source."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> And asking about his how he's captured,"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "for example, that becomes in Carlos's"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "mind"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "all about those acts of betrayal. People"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "who uh one of the memorable lines that I"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "was able to use was"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "he you know, his big regret in his life"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "was he didn't kill more people, and he"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "should have killed those bastards who"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "got him at the end and just uh was too"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "slow on the draw."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> Yeah. One of those guys, like"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "another I used a line from The Wire"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "earlier, but another famous line where"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "he's like, \"The game ain't in me no"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "more.\""}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "Feels like this is dude, the game is"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "going to be in him till the day he"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "drops, right?"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> Which I must say I'm I'm hearing"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "recently that he's he's in further"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "decline that his he's his health is is"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "waning and so it could be that by the"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "time as you're still talking about the"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "book he might may not have him with us"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "anymore which is"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "um a real possibility just because he's"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "of that age. He's 76 and he's"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "been in prison for a long time."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> No, you knew you were going to maybe"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "have like 90-ish minutes or something"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "like that."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> So obviously very different approach to"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "what I do here where we're just talking"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "all day and we see where it goes."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> I had"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": ">> You had to be very prepared, right?"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": ">> I had annotated notes. I had all these"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "things I wanted to to try out on him."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "And like your conversations, it actually"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "it becomes once you start with him"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "sometimes the notes just get disregarded"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "because he goes down a trail and then"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "you think, well, okay, we'll ask him"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "about this or I could tell that this"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "line of questioning is not going to be"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "fruitful. He's not going to have"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "anything to say or else he'll shut down."}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "This was also the frustration. I'd start"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "to talk about an incident that, you"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "know, I know a lot about and he would"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "just say, I don't remember. And and that"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "would be it and that I have just no"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "point in asking anything else because he"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "would just kind of clam up."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "He"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "doesn't like to admit to things that he"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "hasn't been convicted of and there are"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "certain things like you'll if you read"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "the book you'll see that he one of his"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "big uh attacks in his historical career"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "was bombing Radio Free Europe in Munich"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "in in 1981. He set up this elaborate"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "bombing."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "It doesn't go off quite like he intended"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "but he succeeded in bombing this US"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "built US run international broadcaster"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "and creating a lot of damage."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "But he has never acknowledged having"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "anything to do with it. He denies it,"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "you know, effusively cuz he's never been"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "convicted of it."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "Uh and he doesn't want to have, you"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "know, be on record as saying that he"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "attacked this American facility cuz it"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "could have consequences. I have all"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "kinds of evidence that it was him, that"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "he did it, and uh but he just wasn't"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "going to talk about it in that"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "interview."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> A lot if if you talk to like or listen"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "to a lot of great actors talk about"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "roles where they play a villain or other"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "your fellow great authors where they"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "talk about writing about people who were"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "objectively evil."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "Many of them will often go through how"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "the approach when they're going through"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "it is to not judge the person, kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "suspend that so that in the actor's case"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "they can actually"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "feel and be in their bones and let out"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "that performance and in the author's"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "case they can actually do the same thing"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "to be able to write about it factually"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "and then they'll say afterwards then"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "they can kind of judge it."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": ">> What was your approach with him from"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "that perspective?"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": ">> I kind of the same dopey approach that I"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "take to most of my interviews, which is"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "I I just want to know. I'm not going to"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "I certainly can judge you Carlos because"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "you've been a terrible human being, but"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "I'm walking into this meeting as a very"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "curious interested person who just wants"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "to know what happened."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "I want to give you the the chance to"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "tell me your story. And I find that"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "people really respond to that even if"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "they may be resistant in most cases to"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "speaking to the press or to talking to"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "an author, but if you come"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "at it as that you're not prejudging them"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "and that you it's not about your ego cuz"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "I I feel like that's should not be in"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "the way of of a of a conversation that"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "should be about trying to get"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "information"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "and just say I am"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "personally honestly curious to know what"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "happened here. What really happened in"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "1975 Carlos when you as a 26-year-old"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "man walked into the headquarters of"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "OPEC, the international oil cartel"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "and proceeded to take the whole thing"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "hostage. What were you thinking about"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "and who put you up to it? And I I could"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "get him to ramble on about that cuz he's"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "kind of proud of it. It's the one thing"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "he's probably most known for."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "One of the most audacious terrorist"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "attacks I've ever heard about."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> That's what he was wearing, right?"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> That's what he was wearing. That's"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "That's that that day. He was wearing a"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "funky uh beret because that was again"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "like his hero um Che Guevara"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "wore a It was wore a black beret. That"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "was his uniform."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": ">> He looked like Pedro Pascal right there."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> a little bit. And in this one he's he's"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "he's playing cosplay uh trying to be Che"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "Guevara and walking into a into a big"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "office building in downtown Vienna,"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "Austria, 1975"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "with five henchmen with guns and took"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "the place hostage and ran off with uh"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "dozens of hostages out into the North"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "African desert and ransomed them for"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "millions of dollars. So, crazy story."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": ">> We'll come back to that, but when you"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "first walk in there and you're like,"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "\"Oh, it's happening.\" First of"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "all, were you meeting with him in like a"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "holding room or something [snorts] like"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> Yeah. So, you think of a visitor's room"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "in prison and it wasn't like that"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "because you"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "imagine you've seen those in a films"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "where you know kind of there's all these"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "chairs and maybe place people"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "congregate. It was if viewers have a"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "sense of the size of this studio, it was"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "smaller than this by about by about"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "half. [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": ">> It's about 14 and 1/2 by 18."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": ">> So, yeah, maybe that. Enough room for a"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "table and four chairs around it."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "I was in one chair. Carlos gets ushered"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "in and he sits right next to me. So,"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "we're like 2 ft away. And um"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> Dangerously close."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": ">> And the guy in a what's"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "not scary cuz it's it's a you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "under very controlled conditions and"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "he's been a prisoner and he's an old man"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "for a long time. But"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "kind of the moment of kind of like this"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "is this is my research subject and it's"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "like you've been trying to"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "discover some new species and suddenly"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "this is this animal is is that you've"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "been spending your years studying is is"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "right there in front of you."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": ">> Park."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": ">> And you're you're looking at this uh"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "you know, T-Rex or whatever it is, a"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "velociraptor, and and thinking, \"Man, I"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "can't believe I am 2 ft away from this"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "guy that I've been obsessively"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "researching for the last couple of"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "years, and here he is.\" So, it's pretty"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "wild."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": ">> How do you walk in? Like, what was the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "vibe walking in? And how's his English,"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "too?"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> So, his English is great. And that's one"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "of the things he's uh he's a smart guy,"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "and he speaks five languages at least."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "And um including Russian, because he was"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "he was lived in Russia as a kid. And of"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "course, Spanish, English, French,"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "Arabic."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "So, you hear him I'm I'm there first, so"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "I'm kind of camped out in this little"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "room just kind of waiting for him to"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "show up. And you can hear him coming"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "down the hall, cuz there's a commotion."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "And everybody in prison knows Carlos the"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "Jackal, and they call him Carlos. And"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "so, you hear the French the guards"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "saying, \"Oh, Monsieur Carlos, bonjour."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "How are you?\" And And then he he kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "knows them, so he's ragging them, and I"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "describe the scene where he's kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "shadowboxing with one of them, and kind"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "of, you know, pretend like he's beating"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "the crap out of them. So, he's very"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "playful in that way with them. They They"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "don't treat him like he's some, you"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "know, arch murderer, but just like he's"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "some famous guy who happens to live in"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "the same place where they work. So, um"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "then he kind of walks in,"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "and you think he's going to walk in like"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "in a prison jumpsuit, but no. I I don't"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "know if it's because he's This is how he"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "dresses to meet visitors, or if it's how"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "he dresses every day. But, he's all"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "natty. He's got like nice pants on, and"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "kind of nice brown leather bomber. This"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "is you know, late winter, so it's kind"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "of cold."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": ">> Yeah. And he's got like a little cap"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "leather cap on, like a little cap cap."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> me off."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> It it looks like you you might you might"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "have met him at Target or something. You"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": ">> So, it doesn't feel like you're in"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "prison at all. He's He's a little bit,"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "you know, scruffy. And he has he"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "apologizes, actually, for not shaving."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "He hadn't shaved that for a couple of"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "days. He had a little bit of stubble."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "Um takes off his hat, sits down, kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "gives me a very amused smile,"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "and then almost like um"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "what's our subject today? What do you"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "want to talk about? You know, who are"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "you again?"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "and I'm saying, \"Gee, Mr. Carlos, you"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "know, I'm I'm not like a schoolboy, but"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "I'm trying real hard not to be kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "overwhelmed by the moment.\" And"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "and then I just explain again who I am."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "I'm I'm a journalist with the Washington"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "Post and I'm an author and I'm I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "working on this book and I want to"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "understand the kind of the early history"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "of of these terrorist movements and you"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "were right in the middle of all that and"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "I just"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "would appreciate having some of your"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "memories."}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "And then I just went through my list and"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "and the areas where he was okay with"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "talking, that became a longer"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "conversation. And then others just kind"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "of got x'ed off my question list as"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "okay, that's that's not going to be very"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "productive, but that's just kind of how"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "it went."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:26", "text": ">> So, Deef is a script writer."}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:28", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": ">> And a writer and a novel writer"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "[clears throat] as well. I'm seeing the"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "script here, dude."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:34", "text": ">> Javi work running into the prison. Oh my"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "god, it's happening. It's raining a"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "little bit outside."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": ">> He's covering himself. He gets in there."}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "Bonjour."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Bonjour."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> They walk through. It's like all tense."}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "He sits down. He's waiting. And then we"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "just see like a dude coming through in a"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "bomber jacket. We don't see his face"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "yet, but he's like shadow boxing with"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "the prisoners along the side and you're"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "looking. He's not revealed. Then he"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "walks in, saunters in with a little"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "gait, sits down. You're staring at him"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "like shaking. And then he goes, \"So,"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:03", "text": ">> What's going on?\""}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:04", "text": ">> And then the movie goes to Venezuela."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "He's born. Something like that."}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": ">> It's a great scene."}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": ">> Yeah, and then it ends."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": ">> Can we copyright that, sir?"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": ">> Yeah, yeah, no, I I might need to write"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "this now. I see the movie getting"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "adapted. Dibs. Dibs on that, Deef. We"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "got that. That's wild though. Like I'm"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "getting chills thinking about like him"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "walking in and just kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> The other interesting moment in the"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "beginning was"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "him figuring out what language you were"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "going to use. He said, \"Can we Can we"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "speak in English?\" Cuz even though he's"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "been in a French prison for 30 years,"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "English is his most comfortable language"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "other than Spanish."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> And so there was kind of a oh good, we"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "can talk in English. And that was kind"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "of a relief to me too, cuz I wasn't"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "sure. Cuz I didn't speak French. No, I I"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "barely I 15 words. So it wasn't wasn't"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "going to be much of a conversation if we"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "had to speak in French. And I had been"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "so afraid. I knew that historically he"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "spoke pretty good English cuz these on"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "the record many of his crimes announcing"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "himself in English and having"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "conversations English and writing"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "letters. But I I just he'd been in jail"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "in France for so long, does he still"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "speak it? I just didn't know. And so it"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "was a relief to me when he said, \"Oh"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "great, let's talk in English. That'll be"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "that'll be better for me.\" And and"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "so okay, Carlos, what do we talk about?"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "And it was more kind of his curiosity,"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "what did I want to know? And him being"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "not reticent, but almost kind of like,"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "\"Oh yeah, so do you want to talk about"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "that? I can"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "I can fill you in on on Vienna 1975."}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "Let's let's chat with that.\" And so"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> Thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "button on the video. They're both a huge"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "huge help. And if you would like to"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "follow me on Instagram and X, those"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "links are in my description below."}]

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I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "going to read some of it, like little"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "pieces of it, but I'm going to give you"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "a layout of what Henry Abbott"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "is is saying could be the case here. And"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "again, we're going to say for us and for"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "Henry as well, who made it pretty clear"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "in this article, very clear. It's pure"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "spec."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> It's just,"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> you know, it's a lot of layers right"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "here. So, let's back"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Let me read the opening area right here"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "so you got you guys can get a lay of the"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "land. Essentially, Lakers sell for $12"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "billion from Mark Walters to what's"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "reported as Joshua Kushner and Bob Iger."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": ">> And people I think it was 12.5."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> 12.5."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> And it's just like closed case and"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "people are wondering, hm, what else is"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "going on here?"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> In comes Henry Abbott."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": ">> Ramona Shelurn writes Los Angeles Lakers"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "being sold to Josh Kushner by Bob Iger"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "for 12.5 billion a record-breaking"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "price. Multiple sources told ESPN. And"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "now Kushner might also be on the hook"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "for the Bus family holdings too. So the"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "bus family had sold their majority stake"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "after having it for decades to Walters"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "just last year. It was like 13, 14, 15"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "months ago."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:35", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> More on him in a second. And so they"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "sold the remainder of their stake in"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "this deal. So it's just like a clean"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "total new ownership group. Under the"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "terms of the deal reports in the New"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "York Times, Kushner is putting up"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "personal money and I may as well. And"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "again to be clear, this is Joshua"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "Kushner, not Jared. It's the younger"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "brother. Igger may, this is what Henry"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "Abbott points out from that quote."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "Somehow every media outlet is reporting"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "that Bob Iger is buying the Lakers, but"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "yet they're saying Bob Iger may put up"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "money. How do you buy a team if you're"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "only going to may put up money? And"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "we're talking about 12.5 billion here."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "That doesn't make sense. So he says,"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "\"Let's estimate that Mark Walter now"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "owns 85% of the Lakers. The buses own"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "almost all the rest. That's right."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Someone has to get Walter 10.625 billion"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "stat and the buses would like a couple"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "billion as well. Iger is good according"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "to the New York Times for perhaps zero."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "And so Josh Kushner worth a reported 5"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "billion, again we're not even halfway"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "there, needs a ton of money. So Henry"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "says, \"If we go to lunch and you"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "generously pay on your credit card,"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "would the media report that I'm buying"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "lunch? And what if someone else pays"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "your credit card bill?\" Because Forbes"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "estimates that Bob Iger is worth around"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "600 million and Josh Kushner around five"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "billion. Who in the hell is actually"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "buying the Lakers then? The tidiest"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "answer would be whoever Mark Walter owes"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "all the money to. So before I read this"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "next paragraph, Mark Walter is currently"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "under massive federal investigation for"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "tax fraud."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:03", "text": ">> That's good."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Listen,"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": ">> a little bit of tax fraud apparently"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "never hurt anyone and they are It's just"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "like the Penn State thing, dude. They're"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "going after a good and decent"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "businessman who's bravely creating jobs"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "in our economy. What is the problem with"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "that, Joey?"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> That's true. That's true. Yeah. A lot of"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "diverse jobs, too."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> Did I just change your mind?"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": ">> Kind of a little bit. Yeah, we'll do the"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "fraud. We'll let it slide."}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> That's good. We'll let it slide. But"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "anyway, he's under investigation. This"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "is the guy who owns TWWG Holdings, which"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "is this massive multinational holding"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "company that includes, I believe, below"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "it. Can you check me on this? Joey De"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "like Guggenheim Partners, which is where"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "he even came into the picture. I think"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "he was like the head of that for a"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "while. Major financial outlet right"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "there. But he's been under massive"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "investigations. So this guy"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> had bought the lake. I'm correct on"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "that. Okay. He had bought the Lakers."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "He's owned the Dodgers for a while now."}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "And he"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> Chelsea"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": ">> Chelsea FC as well over in England. He"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "just trying to get out from under this"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "[ __ ] He started collecting a little too"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "many assets too fast and he's like"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> he likes playing with balls. It seems"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> playing with balls."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> That's right. You know, listen, whatever"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "you're into."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> Yeah. Listen, Mr. Walter, you do you."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "You do you. You do you. Anyway, so"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "Walter is doing you by trying to now. I"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "would say fireale the Lakers, but like"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "he got a record-breaking deal, which is"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "another thing here,"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> Joey Dev. If I own a team, even if it is"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "a crown jewel like the Lakers,"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> and I am under"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "massive tax fraud investigation, all"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "these billionaires or, you know,"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "powerful people that are coming in to"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "buy it, they're all sharks."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> They know you have to sell it. Yeah. I"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "mean, he's got [ __ ] legal fees and"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "[ __ ] He's got he's got he's got to"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "batten up the hatches here."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": ">> And they're still paying an insane"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "record deal like that. meaning they"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "wanted it that quickly, that badly with"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "as little competition as possible"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> when yes, it's the Lakers. I'm not going"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "to lie. Like that's that is a in sports"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "that is a crown jewel franchise. No one"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "is saying it's not. But like"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "Bob Iger needs a you know what I mean?"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "Like it's a little it's a little weird."}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": ">> Yeah, it is a little weird."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": ">> It's a little weird. Anyway, back to"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "what Henry was saying here. He said,"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "\"So, who in the hell is actually buying"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "the Lakers?\" The tidious answer would be"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "whoever Mark Walter owes all that money"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "to cuz again he's had some money"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "problems. Mark Walter's business"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "meltdown is farreaching and complex. But"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "Pablo Tore, Brian Winhorse, and others"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "note that Mubadala Capital, great name."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "That's a great name."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": ">> Yeah, I thought it was fake."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> Even if they end up being evil, great"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "branding. Mubadala Capital agreed to"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "anchor a10 billion dollar syndicated"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "investment for one of Walter's"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "businesses a few months before he"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "purchased the Lakers for that exact"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "amount."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": ">> It's interesting. So, you know, they"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "they inject him with 10 Billy buys the"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "Lakers for 10 Billy"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> almost like it's a little, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "little"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:07", "text": ">> little trade."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> You hear that sound in the mic, Joey?"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": ">> Little little slushy little slushing"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "around, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> Listen listen. The Gulf States love"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "basketball, too. said, \"No, whatever.\""}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "Anyway, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "and then as we discussed in the last"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "installment, referring to his last"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "reporting, Bloomberg reported in July"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "about investigators looking into Walter."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "And this is from Bloomberg. Key in on"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "this, folks. An early focus of the"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "inquiry was a deal TWWG struck last year"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "with Mubadala Capital, an arm of an Abu"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "Dhabi sovereign wealth fund. According"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "to people familiar with the matter, in"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "April 2025, the companies announced"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Mubadala Capital would anchor a10"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "billion dollar syndicated investment in"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "TWWG. Prosecutors were looking into"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "whether Mubadala Capital had been misled"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "about valuations, said the people who"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "asked not to be identified discussing"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "confidential matters. It's unclear"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "whether prosecutors are still pursuing"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "that line of inquiry. Now, Henry adds"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "mubadala."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "Mubadala is mubadala."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:08", "text": ">> Yeah, mubadala. Mubala. a lot of people"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "are saying is a sovereign wealth fund"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "owned by the government of Abu Dhabi."}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "Mubadala is currently chaired by Mansour"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "bin Zed al- Nihan, otherwise known as"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "MBZ. You got MBS in Saudi, you got MBZ"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "in Abu Dhabi. Let's just keep it simple,"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "okay? While Kaldun Khalifa al-Mubarak is"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "a managing is managing director and"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "group CEO. So, for the purposes of this"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "article, they're going to call him"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "Calun, which is what he's often referred"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "to. He went to college in Boston and"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "attended NBA games. Calun lived in Los"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "Angeles where he became close to Ari"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "Emanuel, who's like the most powerful"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "agent in WME as well. Emanuel found"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "doctors when Calun's kids got sick."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "Calun funded Emanuel's ascension to run"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "a giant sports conglomerate, but appears"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "to have a particular interest in the"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "NBA. Also, full disclosure here, just so"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "you know, nothing's not on the up and"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "up. It's very public on my profile. I I"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "do have an agent at WME as well, which"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "is what Emanuel owns, but should mention"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "that while we're reading this. Now that"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "Walter has become radioactive, it is"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "possible. Is it possible that Calun"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "would feel comfortable doing business"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "with someone like Bob Iger? And this is"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "the last part I want to read down here."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "Okay, here's Iger announcing Disney's"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "seventh theme park with a video above."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "We're not going to play it, but that's"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "what the announcement is in Abu Dhabi."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "It's a complex deal that took some"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "negotiating between Disney and guess"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "what?"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "Calun's brother Muhammad Khalifa"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "al-Mubarak chairs the department of"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "culture and tourism Abu Dhabi."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "Interesting that he was on the other"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "side. It's like they're all related. If"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "Caldun and Mubadala was okay with Walter"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "owning the Lakers in air quotes there"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "reportedly purchase with Muba dollars. I"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "like that term Henry. That was nice."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "Muba dollars it's going to stick. might"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "he be okay with Bob Iger and Josh"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "Kushner doing the same thing? Meaning"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "there's a little backdoor deal now. And"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "this is where I'm going to start to"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "summarize the information and we'll come"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "back to some little important passages"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "that Henry puts together in this long"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "article. Again, we should link that down"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "below. Don't let me forget that, Joey"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "De. Okay, I'll do that tonight when I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "editing this. But, you know, I encourage"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "you guys to read it because Henry, as"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "usual, is going step by step, bit by"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "bit, shot by shot, putting it all"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "together. But essentially, the"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "implication is that this sovereign"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "wealth fund as a part of Abu Dhabi was"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "slushing money through Mark Walter. They"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "are now letting the ownership of the"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "Lakers change hands and appear in what"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "Henry is speculating to be this sale"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "when in reality the same money is behind"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "it all. Thank you guys for watching the"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "episode. If you haven't already, please"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "hit that subscribe button and smash that"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "like button on the video. They're both a"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "huge, huge help. 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And it was a"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "matter of I contacted his lawyer,"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "explained who I am, talked about my"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "books, and I said, \"I'd love to meet"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "your guy.\" and and Carlos has a lawyer."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "Carlos's lawyer passed along the"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "message. Carlos writes back said, \"Sure,"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "Washington Post guy. I'll I'll meet with"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "you.\" He does not publicity shy. He's"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "the opposite. He likes he likes"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "attention."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> He loves the idea of getting an"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "interview. But the problem, as I"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "mentioned, was the French did not want"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "to let me talk to him. They don't want"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "to let anybody talk to him except under"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "very restrictive conditions. So, I had"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "to grie there's no recording equipment."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "There's no camera taken into prison. I"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "only had a pencil and a notebook."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> Pencil and a note. Old school."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": ">> All really old school. Writing things"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "down as fast as I could."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> Like transcribing."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> And then after it was over, going back"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "to my hotel, just trying to doing a a"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Julian Dory and trying to"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "photographically [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "remember everything that happened and"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "every nuance and every wrinkle in his"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "brow, you know, tried to kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "recreate every bit of that. But even"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "with that, I mean, the one of the"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "restrictions I had to agree to was this"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "was not going to result in a Q&A"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "interview because they didn't the French"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "did not want me to have this verbatim,"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "you know, conversation with with Carlos"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "that would allow Carlos to reinterpret"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "history."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> So, it would had to be, you know, I was"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "able to use little snippets, but I"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "couldn't quote him extensively. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> how does that even work? That seems"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "really subjective to, you know."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": ">> Yeah. And and it's frustrating for sure."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "But on the other hand, my whole purpose"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "in meeting him was I had some things I"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "wanted to ask, but even with those"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "things, I didn't think I would trust"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "anything Carlos said. He's gonna"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "exaggerate. He's not going to tell me"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "the truth. So, it was more to kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "get get him to kind of fill in color a"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "little bit of of the blank spaces that I"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "had it in my own narrative of what"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "happened, but also just to kind of get a"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "measure of the man. And that was very"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "important"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "mentally and getting my head around the"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "project and writing about him and his"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "life is to see him as a 75 year old man."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "And then you'll see in the book I"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "mentioned kind of briefly this encounter"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "and uh that I had with him in the"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "prologue. And then at the end of the"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "book it's it's you know the bad days are"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "over. He's been in prison for a long"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "time and here I am face to face with the"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "man for the first time. And so there's"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "it's you know people have read this part"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "of the book say it's kind of a very"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "profound moment where where after you've"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "read the story of his life you're you're"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "sitting there looking at the guy eyeball"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "to eyeball."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": ">> I like how you did that."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": ">> Yeah. So it's it's it's was a it was a"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "great way to end up you know after"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "telling a story to kind of like what did"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "what did it amount to? What was it how"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "did it matter? And"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> you get a sense of that when you sit"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "down and look at the guy face to face."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "Well, I'm really curious about this"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "process though to even get there with"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "the French. So, it's easy on his end."}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "He's like, \"Fuck it, I'll do it.\" But"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "had he really talked to anyone except"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "that one French journalist"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": ">> that this one French journalist had most"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "of the interviews that have existed over"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "the past few years, decades really,"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": ">> have been"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "secretive. So, they weren't nobody got"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "permission to talk to them. uh but man"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "managed to find ways to do it. The one"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "case was a French journalist who"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "basically"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "kind of came at him as just well I'm I'm"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "a member of the public that wants to"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "meet you know I I've got my own personal"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "reasons for wanting to meet him and"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "because she was a you know attractive"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "woman Carlos is a is a obsessive"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "womanizer. So you just you know put a"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "pretty face in front of him is very"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "happy to talk to you and she managed to"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "kind of have many many visits with him."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "This was like back in the 2010s"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> that went past French"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Intel."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So, she just showed up like"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "she's like she was like just like a fan"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "or a member of his, you know, support"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "group or something, but she she didn't"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "do it as a journalist, but she ended up"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "writing a book based in French based on"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "her experiences with him."}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> What was her name?"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> Her name was Sophie Bonet. Bonet."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": ">> Sophie Bonet. B Sophie."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> Yeah. So, she's a documentary filmmaker"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "slashbook writer. She's I've talked to"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "her. She's um very interesting lady."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "This is she's older now, but she did it,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "you know, earlier in her career."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> Okay, there's her name."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> Um, and then later later on, in fact, I"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "benefited from this one relate one"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "interview that happened. There's an"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "Israeli journalist who really wanted to"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "talk to Carlos and he wasn't allowed to."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "So, he managed to talk of one of"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "Carlos's attorneys. We had a couple,"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "this one, he married actually. He"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "married this his attorney. at a kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "a prison ceremony and oh,"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": ">> Carlos married his attorney. Yes."}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": ">> Is he still married to her now?"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> She died about a year ago, but they were"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "married for a long time. Uh, but he was"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "able to, this journalist was able to"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "talk the attorney into basically"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "bringing, you know, she had a cell phone"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "she was allowed to bring into the prison"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "meetings with Carlos. She'd bring her"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "phone in, she'd ring this journalist up"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "and basically relay questions like,"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "\"Carlo, Carlos, what do you think of"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "this or that?\" And he would reply into"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "the phone. and the phone call was being"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "recorded on the other end."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> So this Israeli journalist very kind of"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> tricky got got a pretty long interview"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "out of them."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": ">> They're not like that at all."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> Not at all. So I I I wanted to go"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "through the front door, but this"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "journalist, this Israeli journalist"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "ended up doing a docu documentary film"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "based on the guy's name is um Yuron Y a"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "r o niski n i ki."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> And his documentary actually was"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "released on Fox Nation earlier this"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "summer. Mh."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> Um, it was Carlos in his own words, but"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "it wasn't Carlos, you know, face to"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "face. It was essentially a kind of a"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "bootleg interview with the guy,"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": ">> but I ended up making friends with the"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "journalist. We we we found out about"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "each other's work and so we"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "collaborated. I was on his his"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "documentary as featured in a number of"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "times"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": ">> and he shared all his transcript, so all"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "the conversations. So, I had things that"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "I could relate because of my"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "conversation with with Carlos, but also"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "had the benefit of many hours, I guess"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "maybe more than 10 hours of of telephone"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "conversations that he had. And what that"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "all amounts to is"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "you see a lot of things through Carlos's"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "lens and you realize about half or more"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "is just crap. But there are parts that,"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "oh, we actually told the truth about"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "this. So, it's kind of a fact check."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Yeah. he could say certain things you"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "could or certain things that he wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "have a reason to lie about because"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "they're not flattering for him. And I"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "ended up because of those interviews"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "including Sophie's had a pretty"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "remarkable book and my own encounter and"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "my own research and talking to CIA"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "people and others who involved in"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "capturing him had a ton of material and"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "then it was just a matter of what what"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "makes the best story. What are those?"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "This is the thing about narrative"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "non-fiction is you got you end up with a"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "a lot of stuff but then you then almost"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "like a filmmaker what is the most"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "interesting story I can tell based on"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "the facts that I know right"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": ">> and then you construct u the story out"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "of it's all real facts but then you you"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "have to kind of be the painter with a"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "paintbrush and and that's right"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": ">> paint the picture"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": ">> this process to get to talk to him"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "though where they came up with all these"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "stipulations who are you talking to to"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "do that like are you talking with French"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "intellig"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "started started actually with the prison"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "ministry. So there is a you know right"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "to the people who run this one prison."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> It's called the Pi. It's the Mason"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "central de PI but it's a little town uh"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "outside Paris about 20 miles to the west"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "of Paris."}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": ">> And um other fascinating thing about the"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "prison it had this past as a convent but"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "after when the Nazis took over the"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "country it became like a Gestapo"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "headquarters and they they killed and"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "tortured members of the free French"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "freedom"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> movement there. So, it had this really"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "crazy history, but that's what"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:09", "text": ">> living with the ghosts when you're in"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "there. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": ">> So, I I wrote to them and they said,"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "\"Well, you need to send us all this"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "information and all these forms you need"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "to complete.\" I did that and I waited"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "and waited."}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> What year did you 20 first year was 2024"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "when I just early 2024"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": ">> when I first reached out and then"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "there'd be like radio silence for months"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "and I would send reminders, are you"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "gonna let me see him or not? And there"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "would just be no reply. So I started"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "kind of working through other, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "angles, trying the French embassy in"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "Washington, can they help me? And they"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "were somewhat sympathetic. My second"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "book, Black Flags, came out in French"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "and had um actually was wellreceived in"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "France. I did a lot of uh interviews. So"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "I'm I'm I'm somewhat known there and"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "they uh they they were helpful, but then"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "it was like then there's just layers and"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "layers of bureaucracy. There's the"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "French Justice Ministry, which"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "ultimately had to sign off. It it just"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "took pressure on so many pressure points"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "until finally I got a yes. And once I"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "got the yes, I went right away to France"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "because I was so afraid they're going to"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "change their mind. And even to the"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "moment I walked into that prison to have"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "the interview, I was so afraid that"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "somebody was going to back out. Carlos"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "is going to be sick or was he going to"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "change his mind, the French were going"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "to decide they don't don't want me to"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "talk to him after all. So part of the"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "suspense was am I actually going to get"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "to have this moment?"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": ">> You're in the story and that's what's"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "cool. It's like you've written all these"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "stories where you're reporting on it"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "after the fact and going and visiting"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "the places and living with the ghosts"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "and trying to understand what happened"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "there, which is what you do here. But"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "then the culmination of it is you get to"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "go directly to the source and it's like"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "you are now the first person walking"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "into your own book."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> Yeah. And it's the first time I've done"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "that because I've always had this"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "distance in my other books. I'm kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "writing and from a dispassionate, you"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "know, third person voice. This the first"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "time I said in a book, I I was there. I"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "I saw him. I was sitting there and"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "Carlos walks in."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> And so describing that moment was u"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "becomes personal because I'm part of the"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "story."}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": ">> Was it just one day with him in there?"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> Yeah, I was."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": ">> And how many hours did you have?"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": ">> I got like an hour and a half. That's"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "all they would give me. So it was very"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "compressed and it was frustrating"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "because Carlos even though he's looks"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "robust, you can see his starting to"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "fade."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": ">> He's 76, right?"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": ">> Yeah, he's 76 now. and he's as he would"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "lose a thread in the conversation. He"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "would repeat himself. And the other"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "problem I mentioned he has an obsessive"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "interest in women. There was a woman in"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "the room and she happened to be a French"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "min justice ministry official there kind"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "of as a reminder uh to make sure I"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "didn't do anything break any of my my"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "promises. He she was 27 as I recall."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "He could not take his eyes off of her."}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "And I would be talking to him. I'd ask"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "him a question. He would ignore me. He's"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "kind of facing the woman and saying"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "things like, \"Are you a real blonde?\""}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": ">> Still got that dog in"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:07", "text": ">> just decorable. But you know the uh the"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "French biographer, the woman I"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "mentioned, Sophie Bunett said in her"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "book,"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": ">> she described it as almost that he is"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "constantly on the hunt that any female"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "within his view his sight in his range"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "of vision was a potential target. And no"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "matter how old, how young, just whatever"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "the circumstances, he's just obsessed"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "and he has to figure out does he have a"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "chance with her? Is it somebody that's"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "that's going to like him? uh and and you"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "could see him even as an old man working"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "it and trying to kind of impress this"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "this young woman and"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "very very annoyed by the fact that I was"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "also in the room and just [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "creating an obstacle to him potentially"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "getting to meet this woman. So it was it"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "was wild to see them see him kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "operate that way."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": ">> That's crazy. You only got an hour and a"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "half. I mean that's an hour and a half"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "more than pretty much anyone has ever"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "gotten. But [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "my publisher or editor of who's who"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "worked with me through the publisher"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "when we were talking about this and"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "about possibility of the interview,"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:11", "text": ">> he kept saying if you can get Carlos to"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "grunt at you, then that's that's a"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "victory. We just we just it just is"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "important to have some personal"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "connection with him. And I got a lot"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "more than that. It was not what I had"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "hoped to get. I hope to be able to maybe"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "meet him several times over many hours"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "and record a conversation. So, it was"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "much less than that, but it was"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "gratifying to succeed in at least making"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "the meeting happen."}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": ">> Thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "button on the video. They're both a"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "huge, huge help. And if you would like"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "to follow me on Instagram and X, those"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "links are in my description below."}]

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The course's"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "instructor, Silicon Valley investor and"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "Stanford graduate Justin Lewis Weber,"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "took it upon himself to bring together"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "{quote} like-minded folks who dared to"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "dream bigger together. They I love how"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "they dress it up."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "Anyway. Anyway, it's not where"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "[laughter] we're going."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> It's funny, Joe. It's funny how many"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "resources they put into catching these"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "kids."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "And as far as I can tell publicly,"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "I still don't see any research resources"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "going into Phoebe Gates."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> you know, who allegedly, it's all"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "alleged,"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "you know, knew about some cookie"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "stuffing that we've covered now on two"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "separate shows."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> But the story keeps getting funnier. And"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "by funnier I mean"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "you want to poke your eyeballs out"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "because you can't even write this stuff"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "anymore."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Phoebe Gates, daughter of Bill Gates,"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "who's never been accused ever ever not"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "once, Joey. Never even been accused"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "of being a global elite that wants to,"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "you know, control how populations exist"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "in this country around the world. He has"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "never been accused of that ever."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:24", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> But Phoebe Gates, daughter of Bill"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Gates, took a secret Stanford course on"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "controlling society and used it to"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "recruit for her startup that's now"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "facing allegations."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "the first part of the article goes"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "through"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "all the stuff that she's accused of."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "The next part of the article, though,"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "goes through"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "this whole course. So, the extent of"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "Gates's self-conceit may or and this is"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "from Yahoo may also be the result of a"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "secondary education. Secondary"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "education, so it's like the next level."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:00", "text": ">> for this."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> Yeah, you get to go upstairs. You get to"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "go to secret room."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:03", "text": ">> Got you."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> A secondary education at Stanford"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "University, which is known to indulge in"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "privileged people's already heightened"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "sense of self-worth. Yo, whoever wrote"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "that, that's a nice sentence right"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "there. I like that. Who's the writer of"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "this article?"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> Um, this is Victor Tangermann."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": ">> Victor, you cooked there. As the"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "student-run newspaper, the Stanford"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "Daily reported in May, Gates Wow, the"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "Wow, that she got outed by the student"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "paper. Good on them."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> be."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> Way to be, guys. Good good journalism."}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "Gates even attended a secretive"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "off-the-books course, which was never"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "publicized and required a referral from"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "another student. Again, very Skull and"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Bones."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": ">> Student."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": ">> Called, {quote} So You Think You Can"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "Rule the World? {unquote} or"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "{quote} Rule {unquote} in the shorthand"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "of the Stanford set."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "The content of the course, which saw 12"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "students meet once a week during the"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "winter quarter, sounds about as ominous"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "as its name suggests. The course's"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "instructor, Silicon Valley investor and"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Stanford graduate Justin Lewis Weber,"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "took it upon himself to bring together,"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "{quote} like-minded folks who dared to"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "dream bigger together. They I love how"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "they dress it up."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": ">> Sounds good."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": ">> As a former student put it in the"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "interview with the Daily, which is"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "Stanford paper,"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "another student added that the goal was"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "to teach students, {quote} how to"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "essentially hack any kind of power"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "structure or bureaucratic structure and"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "get what they want in a system of"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "people, {unquote} which is definitely"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "not what Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "spent apparently a lot of their adult"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "lives trying to do."}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "It's more {quote} It's more about"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "identifying the vulnerabilities or"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "loopholes. We love loopholes. The same"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "student added, I think the instructor is"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "less concerned with the ethics of it all"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "and the problem-solving elements."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "Another student said the course focused"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "on the cynical parts of Silicon Valley,"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "describing the instructor behind it as"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "power-hungry, intellectual, but really"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "focused on profit and power instead of"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "doing good. Yeah, a course called so you"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "think you can run the world is about"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "[ __ ] profit and power and not doing"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "good. Who would have guessed? The course"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "wasn't incidental to Gates' professional"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "career, either. Another student told the"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "Stanford Daily"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:15", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": ">> Kash Patel, where are you, bro?"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "Pull up. Pull up, son."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "Another student told the Stanford Daily"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "that Gates used the class to recruit for"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "her company, Fie. Considering how long"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "Gates knew about her startup's dicey and"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "potential fraudulent practice, which"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "accounted for over 50% of their revenue"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "in June per Bloomberg's estimates, she"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "must have been taking plenty of detailed"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "notes during the class."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": ">> Victor."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": ">> Also, go ahead, Victor."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": ">> Come on."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> Go ahead. Love to see it."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "These people live by a separate set of"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "laws as you and I."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "Now, listen, Dave, if Kash Patel comes"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "down off that [ __ ] FBI jet, eyes all"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "wandering, you never know where they're"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "looking, but he's got that FBI jacket"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "on, those custom Air Forces that write"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "FBI director Kash on the back of it, you"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "and comes down in front of a mic and"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "said, you know, we we have arrested"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "Phoebe Gates on allegations of cookie"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "stuffing, he will get a loud apology"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "from me on this. And I will I will"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": ">> And I'll be Chinese."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": ">> He'll be Chinese, but I'll I'll be"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "giving it a round of applause. I'm just"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "not going to hold my breath to see that"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "day cuz I'll be dead."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:24", "text": ">> Yeah. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:24", "text": ">> It's never going to happen."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:26", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> It's never going to happen, but, you"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "know, in the midst of optically not"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "reading the room, we just continue to"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "see more"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> long patterns of not reading the room."}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "I'm very privileged kids that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "seem to want to follow in Daddy's"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "footsteps. Peer respect."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": ">> Yeah, this is this is the year of"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "optics. I'll tell you that. Like if you"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "wanted to ask me, what's the one thing"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "you took away from this year with all"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "this stuff, I'm like, I have realized"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "that people they do not think about how"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "it looks, ever."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> They don't, ever."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": ">> no punishment."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> No, like it's just that's where we're"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "at. You just do your thing."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> They can do it, and then they can look"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "down at you and say, \"What are you going"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "to do about it?\""}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> And you know what, Joey Dief, I'mma be"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "honest, you and I are going to sit here"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "and talk into mics on YouTube and upload"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> And that's the extent of what we're"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "going to do about it."}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> Yeah, unfortunately."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": ">> I I don't have"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "the ability to arrest these people"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "myself."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> You know, the best part is we"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": ">> you just said that in some [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "version of the comments is going to talk"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "so much [ __ ] and like they're just"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "sitting at home in their underwear just"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "like ripping comments. Like that's"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "hilarious. Good for them. Like you"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "stupid [ __ ] just making a podcast"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "about it."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": ">> That's right. That's right."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": ">> Like eat your Lay's chips, son."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> That's all we can do on our corner of"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "the internet, but we will shine a light"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "on it."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> It's what we do."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> Thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "button on the video. They're both a huge"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "huge help. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "should have told their American friends"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "about this their secret guest and that"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "eventually happened but it didn't happen"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "right away. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "But in the meantime they had since you"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "got this amazing debrief with Carlos"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "because they would sit down with him,"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "get him super drunk and just get him to"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "talk about the [ __ ] that he did."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> Been waiting on this book."}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "It's time to get to it a little bit."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> So I had to keep my mouth shut on this"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "like I said for"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "about 2 and 1/2 years. You told me about"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "this like I'm working on this thing and"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "little did I know you and I recorded it"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "was like that Friday in March 2024 it"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "was like the 22nd or something like"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "that. And I guess you got on a plane a"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "day or two later"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> for Paris and went and visited Carlos"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "the Jackal in prison."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> Yeah, that's right. That's right. It's"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "March 2025."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "Who was Carlos the Jackal? Let's start"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "there for people who don't know cuz this"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "this is a very important story that as"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "you said ties into very modern day"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "issues right now. It's a symbolic time"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "for it to come out."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> So if we can roll back the clock a"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "little bit. So"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "most of us basically grew up in the 9/11"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "generation. So we think of terrorism, we"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "think of Al-Qaeda and 9/11."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "There was a whole other generation and"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "I'm old enough that I remember it. But"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "back in the 60s and 70s there was this"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "terror wave that involved hijackings of"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "planes, hostage taking, murder of"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "Israeli athletes in the in the 1972"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "Olympic Games. This it was it was an"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "awful period and the any"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "any air travel involved the risk of of"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "hijacking or worse. And of that"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "generation of terrorists the one that"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "became internationally famous was this"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "guy who became known as Carlos the"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "Jackal who became so the most famous of"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "the Palestinian militants even though he"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "wasn't Palestinian at all he was from"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "Venezuela. He's some crazy kid who moved"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "himself to the Middle East and thought"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "he'd become a"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "a you know a guerrilla freedom fighter"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "ends up becoming"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "a sleeper agent for the Palestinians and"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "then"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "goes on to do one"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "outrageous uh terrorist attack after"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "another"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "uh and then he eludes uh capture for 20"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "years. 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The one that"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "I saw um before I visited him"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "used to it was actually originally a"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "convent. And it was built in the Middle"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "Ages, you know, kind of convent turned"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "prison into maybe not too big of a"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "stretch, but he he he's he's he was"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "captured in in night in the '90s in a in"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "a"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "really dramatic fashion that we can talk"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "about if if you want, but"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "um he he's not allowed to speak very"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "much because"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "he murdered a lot of French people."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "Uh a lot of his terrorist attacks were"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "in France and the French don't like him"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "getting the microphone. They don't like"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "him being able to talk about his, you"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "know, glorify his past. And so it took a"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "very long time to get permission to get"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "to talk to him."}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "But once I did, it was just this moment"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "that I'll never forget, kind of sitting"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "in this prison and in comes this man who"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "was"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "when I was a kid, the most famous"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "terrorist in the world and now he's 75"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "years old and kind of an old man, but"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "still kind of scary in his own way."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> How First of all, when did you first"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "hatch the idea that you wanted to write"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "a book on him and how soon after that"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "did you think in your head, \"Damn, I"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "wonder if I could talk to him.\""}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> So, it's crazy how these ideas start"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "sometimes. And for me, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "Jackal was a name I remembered, you"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "know, almost like maybe kids who grew up"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "in the 9/11 generation"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "have this sense of of Bin Laden being"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "this boogeyman. And then there was an"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "international search for him and they"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "found him and killed him and so on. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "Carlos to me was kind of like that. I"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "remembered some of the the stories about"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "him when I was young. And then when I"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "was, you know, a reporter working as a"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "terrorist in the Middle East, I kept"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "running into his trail in weird ways."}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "And you know, as you know, I spent a lot"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "of time in Jordan, but I would talk to"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "Jordanian intelligence guys and they"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "said, \"Oh yeah, you know, Carlos the"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "Jackal was here for a while. He kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "smuggled himself into our country. We"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "didn't know he was here. And once we"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "discovered it, we cultivated a"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "relationship with him. We used to I"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "talked to one guy who his job was to"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "bring liquor over to Carlos the Jackal"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "and his"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "little villa where he stayed in Amman"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "and try to figure him out. What is he"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "doing here? What is he What is he up to?"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "Is he planning a terrorist attack? And"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "they tried to befriend him."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:52", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": ">> Yeah, rather than arrest him. Rather"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "arrest him. And that becomes kind of a"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "contentious point in the book because"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "the Jordanians"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "should have told their American friends"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "about this their secret guest and that"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "eventually happened, but it didn't"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "happen right away."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "But in the meantime, they had actually"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "sent you got this amazing debrief with"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "Carlos because they would sit down with"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "him, get him super drunk, and just get"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "him to talk about the [ __ ] that he did."}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "And so, the guys that I I would talk to,"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "these were just regular sources, had the"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "most amazing stories about Carlos the"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "Jackal that I'd never heard before. I"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "never knew anything about this this part"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "of his life."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> Did they like him?"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> They"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "The thing is you can't"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "That's a hard thing to say to like him,"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "but it's he's a very charming guy."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:36", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": ">> And you and and the the people that"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "would describe to me their meetings with"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "him after they overcame their initial"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "fear"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "And this one guy is literally"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "there's this scene in the book where"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "this Jordanian who meets Carlos the"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "first time, he's in an office and he's"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "got his pistol out on the desk because"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "he's so afraid this guy's going to come"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "out and just gun him down."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> But after they figured out that he was"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "he was pretty much harmless, he wasn't"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "going to do anything to them,"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "they were just fascinated to hear his"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "stories and just kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "because it's a he has the wildest"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "stories in the world. He's lived the"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "life of a rock star and being a slash"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "terrorist and and an internationally"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "wanted fugitive. And to get to spend"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "time with him,"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "it was fascinating for them."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": ">> Now this is a guy though like you said"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "who was born in Venezuela."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "His father's a communist attorney in"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "pre-communist Venezuela. It was not a"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "communist country at the time."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "And he names his three kids after each"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "part of was it Lenin's name?"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> Lenin's name. So Lenin's the founder of"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "the Soviet Union's real name was"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "Vladimir Ilyich, sorry, Ilyich Ulyanov."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "So he named his three sons Lenin,"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "uh Vladimir, and then Ilyich. And so he"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "kind of had all had all parts of the"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "name covered. And that just"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "a testament to the guy to the father's"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "devotion to communism. He considered"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "literally considered Lenin the most"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "important figure in all of human"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "history. And so his his kids' names were"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "an homage to his communist hero."}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": ">> And Carlos got the middle name Ilyich."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> got the middle name even though he was"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "the oldest kid and um"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "kind of grew up with that legacy"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "and was influenced by that but also by"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "kind of revolutionary fervor in Latin"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "America at the time because this was"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "60s so time of you know, there's"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "communist uprisings throughout Latin"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "America. There are communist"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "you know, militants in the jungle. This"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "very famous character at the time named"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "Che Guevara who was like a"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "swashbuckling, you know, uh Latin"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "American revolutionary and you can see"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "movies about him. You see his face on on"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "on on t-shirts. He was very photogenic,"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "good-looking guy. And"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "he was Carlos's real hero. He wanted to"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "be"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "this, you know, adventurer,"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "revolutionary, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "larger-than-life character beautiful"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "women surrounding him. That was his goal"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "in life was to become that guy."}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": ">> Young Carlos, though, who's looking up"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "to Che Guevara,"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "was it really because of the things Che"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Guevara promoted that you just laid out"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "and the lifestyle he had, or did he"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "actually look into, say, the policies"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "that he backed and the politics that he"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "had?"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": ">> And vibe with that."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": ">> So, Carlos would always say the right"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "things. Like, I'm for the common man,"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "I'm a Marxist revolutionary."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "Reality was Carlos didn't really give a"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "crap about any of that. Carlos wanted to"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "be"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "a hero. He wanted to be a Che Guevara."}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "He wanted to have his picture on on uh"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "t-shirts. If he'd been living today,"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "he'd have an Instagram account, he'd be"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "all over TikTok, he'd be promoting"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "himself and his own brand. Back then,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "you couldn't do that, but he just"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "wanted to build an image."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": ">> And ended up getting a a sexy nickname"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "that he didn't plan on having, but once"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "he was called Carlos the Jackal, then"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "suddenly there's a whole, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "mystique that comes with that."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:58", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. You can't get laid with that"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "name. I can't help you."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": ">> Yeah, you can't can't Well, you can't"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "get laid as Ilich cuz that's just kind"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "of a strange name. But if you're Carlos"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "the Jackal, man, yeah, you could"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "you could have films made about him. And"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "and he actually, of course, that went on"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "to happen. The the Bourne Identity"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "series, that was a initially a novel"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "series by"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "uh Robert Ludlum. He He based his bad"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "guy, his bad character, was was Carlos"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "the Jackal. Created the entire persona"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "of this"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "this uh the villain in all all three of"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "his novels"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "based on on Carlos. And"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> Yeah, he had massive charisma."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": ">> Absolutely. And you can still see it, I"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "must say, even as an old man. He kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "walks in a room, and you you can see"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "there's some there's there's a charm but"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "there's kind of a presence and God knows"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "I didn't admire him and he was said lots"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "of things, you know, in our meeting that"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "reinforced the the fact that he is he's"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "essentially a criminal narcissist."}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "That's he has that kind of brain."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "Uh doesn't regret any of the the"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "terrible things that he did. Feels like"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "he's a hero in his own mind."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "But he is"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "he is a charming bad guy and that's, you"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "know, even the Jordanians who were"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "trying to debrief him in in the in the"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "'90s, they could certainly see that that"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "that he's"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "you know, as as one guy who became a"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "senior official in the Jordanian"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "intelligence agency said,"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "\"You can't help but like him. You know,"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "I I just liked him.\" And and he was"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "almost sorry to see him go."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": ">> So, you're talking with your guys and"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "they're whispering about this and"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "telling you the stories in the 2010s"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "while you're working on other things."}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "And then you end up finishing Red Line,"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "the book on on Syria."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "And was it pretty much right after that"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "where you're like, \"I got to go.\""}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "Look at this again or"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": ">> It was another reason, too. So, I have"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "what you'll see in all my books is I I"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "have a kind of a writing style that's"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "it's narrative non-fiction and it's"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "usually very character-driven."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "So, if the best book for me is one that"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "tells a larger story but so there's a"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "central character that propels the"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "narrative."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "And that the story I wanted to tell is"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "is another origin story. Black Flags was"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "a kind of an origin story of ISIS"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "The Jackal story allows me to tell"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "sort of explain how we got international"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "terrorism, how that arose in the Middle"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "East in the '60s and '70s and who are"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "the important characters and and why it"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "was able to flourish and eventually why"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "it failed because these groups always"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "overreach, their violence always turns"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "people off and they end up kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "becoming the reason for their own"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "demise. But Carlos, luckily for me, is"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "in all the right places at all the right"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "times and he allows me to kind of string"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "together a you know a bigger story about"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "this important development in our in our"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "modern history with a singular figure in"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "the in the middle of it who's"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "you can't take your eyes off of because"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "he's just always doing something"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "outrageous."}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": ">> This This is also a guy though that is"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "still living when you're writing about"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "him and obviously we're going to talk"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "about you going to talk with him and"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "everything but is there a difference in"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "the approach for you"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "from like a storytelling and writing"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "perspective when you are dealing with"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "someone who's still alive especially"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "when you know you may be having a"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "conversation?"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": ">> That's really appealing because there"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "parts of the Carlos story that had"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "remained a mystery for a long time. And"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "because people had kind of forgotten"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "about him after 9/11 there was a lot of"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "new material that had come out of you"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "know archival material from the East"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "Europe for example used to be kind of a"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "a pet So the communist governments of"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "Eastern Europe in the 90s and 80s kept"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "him almost like their their little"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "their little dirty secret. It's we've"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "got Carlos the Jackal living with us and"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "we we could stop him if we wanted to but"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "we don't. We'd let him go out and bomb"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "things in France and and just live a"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "crazy life in our own countries"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "and a lot of the sort of the the files"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "from that time only started coming out"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "in the late 90s and and in the early"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "2000s."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "Um you know"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "some of his former henchmen and and"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "closest associates are still around so"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "they they can be debriefed but Carlos"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "himself obviously knows a lot and I felt"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "there was just"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "a finally a critical mass of material to"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "kind of take a new look at the life of"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "this guy who was once on in you know top"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "of mind. People you know he was a"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "household name and to reconstruct you"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "know how he came to be how Carlos the"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "Jackal came to exist in the light of all"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "this new contextual material"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "just seemed very attractive and I just"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "felt that"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "people used to care a lot about Carlos,"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "and if they reread his story in in the"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "in the context of"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "how we got to where we are with"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "terrorism and these other national"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "threats, it'd be worth a story worth"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "telling."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "And it was a lot of fun to report, I"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "must say. It was just endlessly"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "fascinating."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": ">> Thank you guys for watching the episode."}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "If you haven't already, please hit that"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "subscribe button and smash that like"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "button on the video. They're both a huge"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "huge help. And if you would like to"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "follow me on Instagram and X, those"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "links are in my description below."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "very paranoid regime. All the Kims"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "believe that that there was military"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "strike by the United States and the"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "South Koreans was inevitable. And the"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "one way to stop that was from happening"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "was to make their own bomb and they did"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": ">> Unfortunately though, we've as you're"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "kind of laying out we've given them an"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "impetus to want to do it."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> You know what I mean? It's like this has"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "been such a frustrating thing for me too"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "because I've said for years on the show"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "with different guests, I'd love to see"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "the Iranian people overthrow their"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "regime. I never knew what the real"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "numbers were in there like how many"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "people in the country actually support"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "it versus not, but I always knew like"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "it's fair to say a majority of people"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "don't support it and they do some awful"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "things to their people."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "The problem is"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "you can't just go invading everyone you"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "don't like."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> I mean, are we going to invade China"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "tomorrow because they've been killing"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "the Uyghurs for you know, God knows how"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "long? No."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> It's because we wanted to"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "it is the legacy play like you said with"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "Trump and he's thinking he could be the"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "guy to end it but the end of it but it's"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "like there's this country we've"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "economically shut off from the world and"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "we can go in there and kind of swing our"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "dick and something good will happen, but"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "it's still even if it doesn't have"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "China's GDP."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> You got a population of 93 million"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "people give or take. You got a"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "geographic situation that's insane. You"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "are fighting the geography before you"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "even fight their army."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:26", "text": ">> And now I don't again, I don't know what"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "the numbers are. But you do very much"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "have some sort of rally around the flag"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "thing going on."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> Especially when there's free propaganda"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "you're giving them bombing schools of"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "girls and stuff. You know, it's just"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "very frustrating to me because it feels"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "like a redux of everything I've already"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "seen."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> Yeah. And then part of the tragedy just"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "from a human standpoint is there were"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "people in Iran who were pretty excited"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "when this military action kicked off"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "because they thought this is going to be"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "the moment we're going to"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "kick out the this oppressive regime and"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "we're going to be able to make a you"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "know, better life for ourselves. Now"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "these are kind of the most embitered uh"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "people on on Earth and who just feel"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "like America has betrayed them and that"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "they've been left with something worse"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "that the repression has gotten much much"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "worse. You know, the killing of"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "demonstrators in the in the streets."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "It's"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "you know, they you know, I I I"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "you know, I I know Iranians"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "and and a lot of people who are in exile"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "and and I just personally witnessed"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "their excitement. As much as maybe some"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "of them like Trump or didn't like Trump,"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "they really were happy that something"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "finally was happening. And now they're"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "they they're completely embitered and"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "and depressed. And yeah, that's like"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "thanks America, you guys did this to us."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> Yeah, and you have to that's the thing."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "People that are directly involved with"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "the situation I'll always empathize with"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "that. These are people who have had"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "their family kicked out of the country"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "or they were kicked out of the country"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "themselves or people killed in their"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "friends and family for sure. So, I"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "understand that. Part of the calculation"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "needs to be removing the emotion from"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "the table though and looking at the"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "logic of how feasible something is. And"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "the quote Omar Little, you come at the"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "king, you best not miss. We missed. Like"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "you better be able to take that out very"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "quickly and instead now you do have an"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "embitered"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "populace around the world who wanted who"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "maybe wanted to see this happen because"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "it it it didn't work."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": ">> Yeah. And then and you mentioned, you"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "know, creating incentives for for"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "becoming a nuclear state. If if you're"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "the IRGC and you're trying to think of"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "the best way that to to stay in power,"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "you've got two cards to play now. One is"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "the Strait of Hormuz. That's clearly"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "become a key leverage for them and"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "they're going to milk that as much as"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "they can. But if you ever wanted, you"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "know, thought about having a nuclear"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "bomb, now you're thinking, gosh, this"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "this could be our protection against"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "future attacks by the US and United"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "States. I mean, it's the way that the"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "North Koreans approached nuclear weapons"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "because they they didn't"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "you know, very paranoid regime. All the"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "chems believe that that uh there was a"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "military strike by the United States and"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "or and Koreans was inevitable. And the"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "one way to stop that was from happening"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "was to make their own bomb. And they did"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "that. They did that despite this"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "enormous pressure in terms of sanction."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "I mean, this is the most sanctioned"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "regime in the world, maybe next to Iran."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "And uh you know, all kinds of controls"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "on exports, all the things that they"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "needed to build nuclear uh weapons or or"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "enrichment plans were were banned for"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "them. And they they built it anyway. And"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "they've got an arsenal of estimates"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "between, you know, 30 and 60 bombs. And"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "they're making more nuclear material all"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "the time. And that for them is"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "this is key to our survival. And you can"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "see the same calculation happening with"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "the Iranians now."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> And you know what's so sad?"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "Kim Jong-un looks really vindicated"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "right now"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "for his choices. This is an objectively"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "awful guy. Like I've had I've had a"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "North Korean in here talking about the"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "experience there and everything. Like it"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "it is awful what they do in that"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "country."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "you know, leaders only care about"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "themselves in general, totalitarians"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "especially. And they're going to do what"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "they have to do to survive. So if you"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "keep pushing them"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "you'll make things worse."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "You know, I I just don't"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "I look at this like"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "all the war games that must have been"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "played out."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "How could How could they not have told"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "him six ways to Sunday they're going to"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "close the Strait of Hormuz? Or at least"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "cause massive problems there. Was there"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "ever Was anything about that a surprise"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "to you that they did that?"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:21", "text": ">> You know, I don't consider myself the"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "smartest guy in the room, but it's the"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "first thing I thought of. I mean, it was"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "the first thing people would talk about."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "Well, if you if you push the Iranians"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "too hard they're just going to shut off"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "the Strait of Hormuz. And then they got"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "got the world by the balls essentially."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "Because what I think people are slow to"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "realize is that it petroleum is an"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "internationally traded commodity. Just"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "because we have a lot of it here that So"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "the price of oil is is dictated by"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "supply and demand around the world. And"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "so if you restrict that supply, prices"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "are going to shoot up. Lots of countries"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "that are much more dependent on foreign"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "oil than we are are really going to"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "suffer. You're going to create a mess,"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "and and everybody would look at that"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "scenario and say, \"Well, we shouldn't go"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "there.\" I mean, everybody knows we"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "shouldn't do that. And I really think"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "uh the Israelis"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "convinced Trump that it wasn't going to"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "happen cuz they were just going to"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "eliminate the regime,"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "you know, forget about the Hormuz Strait"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "of Hormuz problem because we'll we'll"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "take care of the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "And that just didn't happen. In fact, it"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "was the opposite, and now we're kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "in a deeper jam than we were before."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "And like I, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "you always have to be critical of your"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "own country as well when they when they"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "make mistakes, and there's certainly"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "blame to go around here. Obviously, I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "looking at Israel and the United States."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "Like, what the [ __ ] are we doing here?"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "But on our end,"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "I I don't know. Like, I I I understand"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "the world's a really complicated place,"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "and you know, [ __ ] happens, and"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "some of it is obviously far above my pay"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "grade, but"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "when you see Scott Bennett go to Davos,"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "optics are already bad with that just"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "starting that statement. But you see him"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "go to Davos in January"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "and laugh and brag to people"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "about these new sanctions he's going to"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "put on Iran"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "that would effectively take their, as he"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "was putting it, take their currency to"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "zero,"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "which he then was bragging would force"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "people to go into the streets, and he"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "further bragged that because people"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "would be forced to go into the streets,"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "I'm not be getting to the fact that"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "there were Mossad people within those"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "people that went into the streets, but"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "that's neither here nor there."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "When they'd go into the streets, the"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "totalitarian regime would then be forced"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "to put down the uprising and kill"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "people, which would create maybe room"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "for revolution or grounds for an"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "invasion. I don't think he used those"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "words, but we all see where it was"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "headed right there."}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": ">> And so to me, I look at that and I go,"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "\"If I see one of the fent heads outside,"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "like tweaking out down on street, and I"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "go and grab a weapon and load it with a"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "bunch of bullets and walk outside and"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "hand it to him and walk back inside."}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "If he then goes and shoots a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "people, obviously like yeah, he's at"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "fault, but"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "I feel like I'm at fault there, too,"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:58", "text": ">> Yeah, I kind of empowered this. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": ">> Am I crazy?"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> Yeah, same situation, absolutely. And I"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "I remember that moment, too, with that"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "that at Davos. It just"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "you you could almost see the eye rolling"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "in the room among, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "security officials who were there from"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "Europe in particular. Everybody"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "understood"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "that you know, the the those are very,"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "very simplistic predictions. We have to"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "remember this is a regime has been under"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "sanctions since 1979, so longer than"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "most of our listeners have been around."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "And they've learned to survive. They"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "learned to live with them. There was a"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "moment in the in the"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "tw- 2010s"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "uh when the the Europeans and the"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "Chinese and everybody kind of coalesced"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "on a on a set of sanctions. It was truly"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "international"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "that forced the Iranians to come to"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "table on the on the nuclear file. And"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "that worked for a while, but when the"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "nuclear deal was thrown out, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "Iran gets the idea, well, we we just"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "can't trust anything the Americans say."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "So, we're going to go back to our our"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "original MO, which is,"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "you know, screw you. We can deal with"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "sanctions. We can withstand that. We can"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "be self-sufficient. The the North"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "Koreans used to say they used to tell"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "their people, we will eat grass. You"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "know, we will do"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "we will live like animals before we'll"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "bow down to you. It's their ability to"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "resist, at least in terms of people in"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "power, an enormous amount of economic"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "pressure. They can hold out a lot longer"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "than we can."}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": ">> That's wild, too, cuz then it's the"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "people that pay for it."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> Yeah, it's it's absolutely all the case."}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "And you and the lower classes in Iran"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "really suffer. I mean, there's a there's"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "an extre- extraordinarily wealthy middle"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "class uh and upper middle class in in"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "Iran who managed to quite well normally."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "They're feeling it now, too, but the"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "people at the very bottom they're just"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "getting killed."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": ">> Yeah, what is it? That That's another"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "thing that there's a lot of"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "I think misunderstanding with just so"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "that you can understand the not to"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "trivialize it, but the chess pieces on"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "the board here and everything that's"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "that that's going on."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "Iran's got a This is not like a"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "population that's like 100% Persian and"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "or, you know, following Shia law. Like"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "obviously they they have multiple"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "sections. So, like"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "if you were educating someone who knew"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "very little about the actual people that"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "comprise the 93 million there, how would"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "you break up the population?"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> Yeah. The So, there's a really big"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "divisions ethnically, as you mentioned."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "So, they got the Azeris, they're kind of"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "related to the Azerbaijanis up in the"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "north. There's Baluchs on the on the,"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "you know, on the border with"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "Afghanistan. People who"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "have traditionally, historically had a"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "lot of animosity toward the regime in"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "Tehran even in the Shah times. There are"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "Sunnis there. It's a minority"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "population, but they they exist and"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "they've problems with repression over"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "the years. So, it's a very diverse"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "society. One thing that's"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "they do have, which is"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "maybe not quite as recognized as"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "as widely as it should be. This is a"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "very educated population. And even"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "though women are forced to, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "wear scarves and headdresses, women are"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "educated. They have professional jobs."}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "It's not like Afghanistan where you're,"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "you know, forced to live in your house"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "and have kids and that's it. And so,"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "there is there's a there's a lot of of"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "variety of opinion. There is a lot of"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "support among the wider population for"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "the United States in terms of our"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "culture and our society. We're hated in"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "a lot of the Arab world. The Iranians"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "actually like us. At least they did"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "until recently. And so, it was like the"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "everyone to hire um you know, popularity"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "or or you know, favorability ratings"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "uh of the United States in the world was"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "was among the Iranians toward the United"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "States. That is eroded quite a bit, as"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "you can imagine. Um they they uh have"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "lost their reasons to feel betrayed by"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "us now. But yeah, that diversity is"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "there and that yearning for a for"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "something better, um"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "they've been under a revolutionary"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "regime now since, you know, like again,"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "for long longer than most of us have"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "been around. And it's it's tiresome"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "because it's oppressive, it's"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "restrictive, and people just want to be"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "able to live their own lives in freedom"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "without worrying that if they're, you"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "know, show 2 in of hair around their"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "face, if you're female, you're going to"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "get beaten by somebody. So, they'd want"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "to get rid of that. But, the"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "you know, the way that we've gone about"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "it in the last few months has not helped"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "them as it moved them an inch closer to"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "what they wanted."}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> Yeah. And it and also, you know, taking"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "out like the symbolic leader who at"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "least some percentage of the population"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "supports then martyrizes him."}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": ">> in a way, too, to where people that"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "maybe hated him before that at least are"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "like, well, he"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "died for our country. Like, a few people"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "might actually say that psychologically."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> Yeah, and that's a that's a good point"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "because he's not"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "even the government is is is diverse in"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "the in in Iran, at least it had been. Uh"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "so, you've got your Ayatollah who is"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "kind of like a figurehead."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": ">> He doesn't have He has power, but he"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "doesn't have ultimate power because"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "there's there's there's sort of the"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "council of, you know, religious leaders,"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "there's the IRGC, which has its own"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "power base, there's the"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "elected representatives actually do have"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "fairly liberal elections or or vote, you"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "elections. So, people have a chance to"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "vote for a, you know, for a you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "prime minister."}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "And and and so, you have all these"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "different competing power centers that's"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "all been consolidated now because really"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "there's one power center and that's the"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "IRGC, the revolutionary guard or public"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "revolutionary guard, excuse me."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "And they"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "they have been whittled down because of"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "air strikes, but the ones that are left"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "standing are the most [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "intransigent, most hardline, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "of of that pretty hardline group."}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:23", "text": ">> Thank you, guys, for watching the"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "episode. If you haven't already, please"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "hit that subscribe button and smash that"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "like button on the video. They're both a"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "huge huge help. And if you would like to"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "follow me on Instagram and X, those"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "links are in my description below."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "Was there ever a story that you were"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "telling that actually made your skin"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "[music] crawl?"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> There was this guy who was this He's a"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "teenager who kind of lost his mind and"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "he wound up killing somebody. The story"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "[music] is that when he was on the run,"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "he wound up finding his way into this"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "family's house and he burrowed his way"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "into their walls and lived in their"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "walls for like I think a year or two"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "before he was finally found. And when he"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "was found, get this, we have the the"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "father who's got three young girls, I"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "think, in the house. He opens up one of"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "their closets cuz he keeps hearing"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "[music] strange sounds in the closet and"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "standing in the closet was this teenager"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "who was wearing,"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> I think, his wife's dress or something"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "and he was carrying a hatchet. And so"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "the father escapes with his kids and"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "this guy ends up getting arrested or"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "whatever."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Might have been a year. But it was a"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "long enough time to be like [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> Whoa."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "And the Epstein videos remain secret."}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:04", "text": ">> Wait, what are you talking about? I"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "thought we could all sleep well at night"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "now knowing that Epstein legitimately"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "killed himself, right? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> Did Jeffrey Epstein kill himself or did"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "somebody kill him?"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": ">> Senator, I believe he killed himself in"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "a cell in a metropolitan detention"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "center."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": ">> Mr. President, what did you accept that"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "he killed himself or that he did not?"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> Well, he did, but I don't know."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> You weren't convinced [music] by that?"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": ">> No. I mean, how do you charge a guy with"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "sex trafficking when there are no end"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "users that have been charged?"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> he traffic to? What do you think [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "that was?"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> I think it was a blackmail operation."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "What do you think it was?"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> I think it was a blackmail operation run"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "by the CIA and the Israeli [music] intel"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "services."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> And probably others, you know, darkest"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "forces in the world colluding to make"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "rich and powerful people obey [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "their agenda."}]

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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "You got any good hazing stories?"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": ">> They strip us down butt naked and they"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "put Justin and I in the 69 position and"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "they tape us into the 69 position. They"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "had somehow got it to where my head is"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "basically shoved into Justin's app and"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "his face is shoved into my app and then"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "they pull out the mini blasting machine."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "They duct tape those leads onto our app"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "and they have two machines and they're"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "my app would then clinch his face."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "Interestingly enough, it was like my"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "face kept getting sucked into his app."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "Every time it would clinch it was like"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "and Justin, he loves squats so his app"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "was definitely more powerful [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "than my app."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "On Nasiriyah was messy. One night,"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "[music] Glenn and I got pulled aside and"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "at Colonel Kelly's direction, we were"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "told like, \"Hey, keep [music] this"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "between you guys. Don't advertise it,"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "but we need you guys to go up to the"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "front line and start pulling dead"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "Marines out of these trenches.\""}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "Supposedly, the Fedayeen, those were the"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "[music] guys with the balaclavas and"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "black trench coats, they were sneaking"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "in and like literally cutting throats"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "while Marines were sleeping. [music] So,"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "we went up one night, really just"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "starting to pull bodies and kind of"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "pulling to the back of the line"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:30", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> and it was probably the most emotionally"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "intense thing that I had faced that"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "point. That's why they didn't want"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "anybody [music] knowing cuz they didn't"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "want to with morale, they didn't want to"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "with the push, get the bodies, get them"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "wrapped up and get them home, you know."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "I've never even heard about that. It was"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "pretty haunting [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "and it's still haunting to think about."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "You look at them and they're kids. You"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "can look at them in the eyes and you're"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "like, \"Holy [ __ ]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "The Tik Tok influencer, the god"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "livestreaming."}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> You just see her take three bullets and"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "she just kind of slumps in and the"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "friend comes over, picks up the phone"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "and turns off the livestream. [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> How do you think we defeat him?"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> To defeat this Fortune 500 corporation"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "that's armed to the max and is always a"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "step ahead, it would be a matter of"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "finding out where the main guys are,"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "dismantling them and their local"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "networks, the banks. It goes so deep. It"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "wouldn't just be a matter of go get I"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "like when they got El Mayo this summer."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> There's always a potential that we send"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "in SOCOM and JSOC units. Do they have"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "any fear of that?"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> I asked them about that and they said"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "that if American special forces lay"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "their feet on Mexican soil, they will"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "fight till the death because they will"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "have nothing to lose. Will they win that"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "fight?"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "No, but they won't go down like a [ __ ]"}]

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I love to talk to the guards cuz"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "they see everything."}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "And they're always telling me that"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "aliens are floating over the sites at"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "night."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "And I found a city."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> You found a city in college?"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> I did. When I was 25, I found Mashnal."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "The day before when it rained, our"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "[music] feet had gone"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "deep in the mud, so we made deep"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "footprints."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "Following those footprints back out,"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "there were jaguar prints in our"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "footprints."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "And I was just like, [ __ ] how long did"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "that go?"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "How close was it to us? Was it like"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "right behind us? And we didn't see it,"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "or did it just smell our trail later?"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Jaguars, you might live. It could be a"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "good story. If you see a puma out there,"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "you're dead."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "Hi, my name's Ed Barnhart. You can watch"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "my episode early on Vigilance Elite"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "Patriot."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "Four surviving books. And those are"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "gold. Those talk about hunting rituals,"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "they talk about astronomy, they talk"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "about deep time."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> Deep time, what is that?"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> The serpent pages in the Dresden [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "Codex."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "In the codices specifically, I think the"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "farthest they go back is 33,000 years."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "But that's a ridiculously [music] long"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "period of time to be talking about. And"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "in the post-classic period of the Maya,"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "they start getting really they're"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "interacting with [music] and emulating"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "the people from Central Mexico."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "Like at Chichen [music] Itza, right next"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "to its ball court is a skull rack. And"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "the whole thing, the base of it is full"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "of images of skulls on spikes."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "And it's almost undeniable that on top"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "of that platform was an actual skull"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "rack"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "that had the skulls of thousands of"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "sacrificed people."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": ">> How would they sacrifice?"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "generally heart extraction, cutting the"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "head out of the heart extraction. 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That's"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "the Central Mexican way where their"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "chest was kind of poked out"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": ">> and then they take an obsidian knife and"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "whack, break a couple of the ribs and"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "then push down on one section, pull up"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "on another and just pull the heart out"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "still beating."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": ">> Holy cow."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:22", "text": ">> Pretty pretty brutal."}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> What would have been [music] the point"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "of that be?"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": ">> They would have mobilized them so they"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "can haul them back to their their city"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "and sacrifice them."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "And you can see it in the mural. Nobody"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "like there's this Bonampak has maybe"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": ">> So they were actually going to combat to"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "capture humans to sacrifice to their"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "gods, [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "but we don't know"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "what they were sacrificing them for."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> That king immediately attacks the"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "brother."}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "And eventually Calakmul helps that"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "brother to get back and kills the Tikal"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "king. It was infectious disease [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "that that ruined everyone."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "Uh mean"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "and it's proof that there was not that"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "much contact before."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "Because once contact really happened"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "90% of people were dead in the first 50"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "The king himself"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "of the Inca had died of smallpox and the"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "empire was in disarray because two"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "brothers were fighting"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "for the kingship because their father"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "had died of smallpox. It hit"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "it hit the king in the [music] Andes"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "running like a wildfire ahead of the"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "Spanish."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": ">> Luke has found"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "almost 80"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "pyramid sites along the river."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> Yep, and there's another one I've just"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "become obsessed with somebody's uh"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "Facebook page. It's LiDAR America."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "This guy every day is pumping out"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "another LiDAR image of a pyramid sitting"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "on somebody's [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "ranch"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "and you don't he shows the just the"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "aerial shot of just the woods, nothing."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "LiDAR, holy crap, there's three pyramids"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "in those woods. I would scan up and down"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "all the rivers of North America of the"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "United States because the Mississippi"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "and all the way out to the [music] East"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "Coast"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "there are pyramids here, but they're"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "trapped in the woods there, they're on"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "private properties"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "and uh you could find so much. People"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "are doing it. I'm still I would be"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "behind the curve there."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> Is it true that a lot of these ancient"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "wonders like Giza, I think Stonehenge,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "Easter Island"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "were these all built [music] on top of"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "major fault lines?"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "I think that Graham has oversimplified"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "the situation. Like [music] any person"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "who studies something for their"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "lifetime, his ideas have evolved over"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "the years."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "But he still sticks with this idea"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "that there was a single"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "advanced civilization, and that's a"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "buzzword, advanced, that was epically"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "destroyed by some kind of cataclysm"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "about 12,000 years ago. [music] But that"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "it provided the seeds for every other"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "major civilization around the planet."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "[music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:02", "text": "I got something for you, too."}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": ">> We're at that point in our relationship?"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> Yeah, so this is SIG SAUER Rattler 300"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "Blackout with the new SIG optics. Got a"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "SIG flashlight on it. It's got a SIG"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "suppressor on it. Folding buttstock. I"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "was looking for a new bedside gun, and I"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "wanted 300 Blackout cuz the penetration"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "power. [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Yeah. And it's"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> just flies through everything. There's a"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "sheriff's department the county over"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "from here, and I got a friend that works"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "there. Poor county, not a big budget."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "And he told me that they're running over"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "there 25-year-old ARs, mixed-matched"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "[music] stuff, unreliable, jamming all"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "the time. I wanted to buy them 30 rifles"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "so they're good to go. Called Jason up"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "at SIG, and I said, \"Do you guys have"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "any old stock laying around that I can"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "just buy at cost?\" And he says, \"We're"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "going to give them these 5.56 SBR. We're"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "also going to outfit them with optics."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "We're also going to outfit them with"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "flashlights, and we're also going to"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "outfit them with suppressors. [music] I"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "don't need you to pay for any of it."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "We're just going to get it right to"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "them.\""}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:55", "text": ">> That's good American right there."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:55", "text": ">> Good company."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> And they make great"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> Can't beat it."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Rattler 300 Blackout."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> sounds cool."}]

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They know how to kill"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "people.\" I'm like, \"And we're going to"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "dive against them?\""}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "They're like, \"Yeah, man, it's going to"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "be awesome, you know?\" I'm like, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "okay.\" So, then it was a 14-man platoon."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "So, seven dive pairs get put out broad"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "daylight middle of San Diego Bay. And"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "all you're told told is like, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "these dolphins will come and, you know,"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "they'll"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "they'll tap you and that's it.\" I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "like, kind of like, \"Huh, all right.\" I"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "don't even know what the hell they're"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "talking about. I mean, this whole thing"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "was like completely foreign to me."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "And as we're in the Zodiacs kind of"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "heading out on our little points that"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "we're going to drop each other off at,"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "you know, Chief was like, \"All right,"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "we're going to be near a pier. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "to grab onto one of the structures down"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "below. I'll hold onto it, kind of bear"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "hug it, and pretend to be, you know, a"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "pier structure pylon."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "And then you, you know, you're on the"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "buddy line, so you just get below me and"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "just kind of lay down on your stomach in"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "the dirt and the sand down there and"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "just pretend to be the sand.\" I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "\"Okay.\" I don't even like it's so"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "foreign to me. I'm like, \"What are we"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "doing?\" We got Dräger, okay, we put the"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "Drägers on. We go in. It's a beautiful"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "day, obviously it's San Diego, every"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "day's beautiful, and"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "we go down to get we kind of make our"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "way over to this pier and"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "and uh we knew that there was a time"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "when these these dolphins were going to"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "be put in the water."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "It was either one or two of them."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "And the dolphin program, obviously it"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "was like super hush-hush then, and now I"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "think there's a Discovery Channel thing,"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "and I've heard guys"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "talk about them or whatever, but um"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "you know, these things are basically"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "trained to detect uh combat or enemy"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "divers,"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "and then will kill them. And they have a"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "a harness that kind of slips over their"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "head"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "basically gives them it's like a weapon."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:08", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "you know, [clears throat] I'm not sure"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "details details don't matter for the"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "story, but um they are incredible"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "animals. I think we all know mammal"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "these things are just as smart as us and"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "they communicate."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "We know that as a pod or as a team they"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "can kill a great white, you know, they"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "can get up to whatever it is 30 40 miles"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "an hour underwater and if they hit you,"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "you'll die, right? And so"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": ">> [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": ">> I'll never forget man, we're in the"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "water. We get set, go down. He grabbed I"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "kind of watch him grab on and pretend to"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "be part of the pier structure. I stretch"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "my buddy line out. I get on my belly and"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "I'm just kind of eating sand kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "just hanging out on drager just taking a"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "moment and kind of thinking to myself"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "like what I don't even know what to"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "expect on this. What the [ __ ] is going"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "on, you know?"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "And then you hear"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "and you're just like what the [ __ ] was"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "that? And you know, in the water"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "everything is omnidirectional. 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Boom, just kind of drives me into"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "the sand a little bit more."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "I was like, oh, that must have been it."}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "And so I just lay there still"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "and then now I hear my chief"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "on drager"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "and he's yelling through his you know,"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "through his mouthpiece and I so I roll"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "over and I look"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "and the sun is in the background. 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It's like"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> [groaning]"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> and it's just slow motion and he kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "hits the side of the dolphin down below"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "its eye, you know?"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "And kind of yelling at it like, \"Get out"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "of here!\" And then that dolphin would"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "just look at him and go"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "and then wham! And just"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:23", "text": ">> hit him right in the chest, right in the"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "dragger."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "And then back off and kind of look at"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "chief and chief would look at the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "dolphin and then"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "whoa,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> [groaning]"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": ">> another big swing."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "And miss or hit, but it was nothing,"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "right? And then the dolphin would look"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "at him and go"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "and then whack! And then hit him again"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "and then you hear him go"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "and each time this dolphin is hitting"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "him harder and harder, right in the"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "center of the dragger."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "eventually chief, you know,"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "the way they know whether they killed"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "you or not is they have this Styrofoam"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "cone"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "on their beak"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "and it's supposed to pop off after they"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "hit you and go to the surface, right?"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "And well, this thing wasn't coming off."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "And so he eventually gets smart and kind"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "of grabs the Styrofoam thing and"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "lets go of it and they both look at each"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "other, the dolphin just goes"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "and then just"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "and just disappears into the ocean water"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "and like"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "But probably one of I mean, when it"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "comes to like training and something I"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "mean, it was like funny and beautiful"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "all at the same time. Like [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "and I had that I had my buddy line"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "stretched out as far as it goes cuz I"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "was like, I do not want anything to do"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "with this thing. Yeah, if it decides it"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "needs to hit something else"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "because [clears throat] there was rumors"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "about one dolphin named Jake who had uh"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "broken a couple of team guys' backs"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "hitting them so hard. Broken ribs. They"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "ended up retiring him. And supposedly he"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "had like kills in some harbor around the"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "world where they deployed them."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:49", "text": ">> No kidding."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:51", "text": ">> Right on, man."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Like yeah, super cool."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> But I mean, so point being is pre-9/11"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "you had time,"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "you know, to go give go be the training"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "apparatus for dolphins."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:02", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> Right on."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Cuz it was more for more for the"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "dolphins than it was for us."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:08", "text": ">> I didn't realize they deployed them. I"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "thought they were all like base defense"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "type stuff."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> Yeah, I don't I mean I don't I used to I"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "think know more about it, I've forgotten"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "it all, but yeah, I think they had"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "deployed them a couple times on behalf"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "of other harbors and other countries,"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "kind of thing."}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:20", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> [sighs and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": ">> But yeah, other than that, we're"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "our deployments were ARGs, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "you'd have a couple of platoons that"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "have to"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "sit on a ship and"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "go do the entire ship deployment."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:37", "text": ">> bet that was horrible."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": ">> It was horrible."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Did two of those back-to-back. 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I mean, Glenn Doherty, Mike"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "Rillon, Shane Hyatt, it's like"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "just the three of them alone is nothing"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "but trouble, so."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "But uh"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "yeah, we um"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "I don't know if it was that one, but"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "ship boardings in the Persian Gulf was"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "like the thing before 9/11. Like Team 3"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "was doing them all the time and we kind"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "of"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "were like the pros at it."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": ">> Why? 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Those ribs would"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "get skin to skin, hook, climb,"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "get on board. At the time it's like this"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "is all the ultimate frogman off, you"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "20 knots, crappy sea state, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "you climb up that ladder."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "You know, and a caving ladder is what? 6"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "in wide, little aluminum with"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "you know, steel ro- you know, whatever"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "the hell what are those things made out"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "of? Titanium rungs and yeah, yeah,"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "aluminum wire and"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "up you go, you know. You climb up, get"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "to the bridge as fast as you can. Half"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "of you go to the bridge, half of you go"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "to lowers, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "lower steering and then um"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "take that thing, turn it into"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "international waters and hand it over to"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "NATO forces and"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "they take the oil or they take"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "whatever's on board and then you get"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "off, get back on your boats and do it"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "again, cuz there was another one coming."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:54", "text": ">> And how many of these were you guys"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "doing?"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": ">> You'd God, you would do like between the"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "big tankers and then a whole lot of"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "dowels. You'd do a lot of dowels, you"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "know, like those things were only like"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "100"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "The big dowels were what? 100 150 ft"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "long, something like that, you know."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "You'd do a bunch of those where you're"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "literally pulling up next to it and like"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "leaping, you know, from the rib over to"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "to the boat. And uh"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "you know, it kind of depend on the"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "night. There were plenty of nights"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "you're sitting around doing nothing."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "But in a deployment, you'd you'd"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "definitely get your fair share of hook"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "and climbs."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:26", "text": ">> Right on."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "And uh team three started like inventing"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "protocols and ladders and you know, and"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "started actually developing stuff and"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "just uh make it go faster, smoother, you"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "know, and"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "yeah, it was kind of the thing and it"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "was the only thing going on, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "remember other teams were trying to get,"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "getting in on the Middle East just so"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "they could get that operational"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "But, kind of goes back to I think it was"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "either one of our Admirals Olsen, I"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "think, you know, or maybe McRaven."}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "You know, what used to be the op of the"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "decade back then,"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "you know, after 9/11 just became the op"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "of the night, right?"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": ">> Everybody was, you know, doing something"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "cool every single night."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": ">> But,"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "pre-9/11, you're like, it was good to be"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "a team three cuz you're actually getting"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "to work, you know."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": ">> No matter where you're watching the"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "Shawn Ryan show from, if you get"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "please like,"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "comment, and subscribe."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "And most importantly, share this"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "everywhere you possibly can. 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[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Big mistake that everybody does is they"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "put their gun up and then they shoot"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "like this. You bring the gun to your"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "head. So your head should not move. So"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "I'm looking at that blue target at 100"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "yards right in the middle straight"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "ahead. I'm just going to bring the gun"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "up. So you won't see my head move. I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "just going to shoot. Hold it in between"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "my eyes and the target."}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Are you going for the 100 yard?"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Let me see this thing."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> No, it's all it's all me."}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "You're"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:14", "text": ">> using the little circle in the center,"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "I remember going back behind the window."}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "I reload another magazine and as soon as"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "I pop out to shoot, it all goes black."}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "At the time I had no idea what happened."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "I thought I was dead."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": ">> He is spraying towards our Marines who"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "are making this advance into the city."}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "[music] I remember he's like, \"Shoot"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "him!\" And I remember yelling back, \"But"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "he's on fire!\" That was the last time"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "that I saw Chris Kyle um in, you know,"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "Fallujah. We get into position and"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "immediately targets are presenting"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "themselves because what had happened was"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "the day before we can the the Marine"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "Corps conducted a faint um like a fake"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "attack on the eastern side of the city."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "So, all of the uh mujahideen assumed we"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "were coming in from the eastern side of"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "the city and we're going to be going"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "from east to west. And so now now that"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "we're coming from north to south,"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "they're scrambling to get back. So,"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "people are in the streets, there's"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "technicals with like dudes with AKs over"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "like like wet dream kind of [ __ ] for"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "snipers, right? And the very first thing"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "I see is I see a"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "uh Memo is is spotting for me because"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "I'm on the 50 cal. He puts me in a"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "really small room. Think it's like tons"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "of percussion, right? And he puts me in"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "the small ass room and he starts"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "spotting for me because I can reach out"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "and I can also break through a lot of"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "material. So, he sees a guy that's like"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "over a wall and he's like shooting, you"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "know, like the typical at the time like"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "spraying and praying, right? Over this"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "wall. And Memo's like, \"Shooter, I want"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "you to hold at this position, right?"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "Hold, you know, I don't know, six go to"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "the top of this red gate and it's a it's"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "a flush metal gate, right? Hold 6 in to"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "the right and 6 in down or whatever the"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "hold that he gave you was. And he's"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "like, \"I want you to, you know, take the"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "slack out of the trigger and fire when I"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "tell you to.\" And so the guy's like"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "shooting, I really can't see him cuz I"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "can't directly see him. All I see is the"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "gun. And he's like, \"Now!\" And I rip the"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "[ __ ] 50 and the 50 does exactly what"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "it's supposed to do, especially with the"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "raw office round. It rips through this"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "fence, detonates on the fence and then"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "sends the comp B and whatever classified"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "mix of explosives go through the wall"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "and the penetrator and I see a an arm"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "fly in the air and AK fly and so he's"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "able to help spot me to take a second or"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "take a shot into this thing. The next"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "shot I take is to break the lock on the"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "door. We're talking 4 to 500 m like"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "nothing nothing super hard for us but"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "especially we know we can you know blow"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "the door open and then I'm eventually"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "able to see that there's a dude you know"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "laying on the ground and and Memo was"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "the person who helped spot and get that"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "on."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "But after that we had a couple of hairy"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "situations come up."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "We had The first thing that we saw was a"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "technical coming across this large open"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "danger area and they were in a"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "you know like a Toyota Hilux right and a"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "bunch of dudes in the back of the truck"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "like like I said like wet dream for us"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "and I have the anti-material weapon"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "system and so Memo can shoot the 40 and"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "he's like shooting the 40 into this and"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "they're they're literally driving"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "towards us. They don't know where we're"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "at because we're depressed back inside"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "of our hide site right and so it's just"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "open windows that they can see and I'm"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "just sending you know rounds out of this"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "thing. Eventually what happens is I"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "shoot the engine block of the Toyota"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "Hilux as it's coming down and then it"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "like engulfs in flames. So I kill the"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "engine it engulfs in flames"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "and then we think everybody inside is"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "dead inside the vehicle is dead. People"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "jump out of the vehicle and Memo's"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "hitting those guys with the 40 right as"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "they're cuz again they don't know where"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "we're shooting from and as this thing's"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "coming down it starts moving again right"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "and now there are people inside you can"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "see them kind of like freaking out cuz"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "they're on fire and then"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "the guy the driver gets out of the door"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "or out of the the driver's seat the"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "vehicle is now still moving the dude is"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "engulfed in flames but he has an AK and"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "he is spraying towards our Marines who"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "are making this advance into the city"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "and so he's still trying to fight"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "remember all the drugs and all that kind"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "of stuff."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> And [clears throat] so, what happens is"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "the way that the vehicle ends up"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "stopping is he's standing in front of"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "the vehicle and he's shooting wildly."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "Again, he's on fire. And I remember"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "vividly, we laughed about it later on,"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "you know, hindsight being what it is."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "Um and he was like, \"Ash, Bashaudy, hit"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "him.\" Right? Cuz I think he was like out"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "of ammo or whatever it was. And I was"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "And I remember he's like, \"Shoot him.\""}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "And I remember yelling back, \"But he's"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "on fire.\" And he's like, \"Fucking shoot"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "him.\" All right. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": ">> Dude, so I"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "Like, I know it sucks that we're like"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "laughing, but like it I'm the same way,"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "right? I shoot."}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "And the projectile does exactly what"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "it's supposed to do. But the projectile"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "doesn't detonate on the body. It goes"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "through him, hits the truck behind him,"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "and then detonates. Literally blowing"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "the guy in half, right? And like two"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "pieces. And I'm like, \"What the fuck?\""}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "Like, you know, these moments you're"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "like, \"What the [ __ ] just happened?\""}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "Right? So, all of this is happening."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "We're ripping with the 50. My ears are"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "ringing, right? You know, cuz you know"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "your pro, right? Or whatever it is."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "And then we hear footsteps. We have like"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "this creaky metal door at the very"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "bottom of the stairs, and we had broken"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "glass on the stairs on the way up. And"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "we start hearing the creaky door open"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "up. It's like in between kind of a lull,"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "and then we start hearing footsteps."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "And they're coming up towards us. And"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "so, I jump off of the 50. I leave the 50"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "where it's at. Memo and I post up. We're"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "on the door. I'm getting a grenade"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "ready. We're holding on the top of the"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "stairs, and I'm waiting for whoever this"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "is to come up the stairs and cuz we"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "don't know who it is. And then all of a"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "sudden, I see an uh camouflage"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "spray-painted M or M4."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "And then I see a Mitch helmet come above"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "that. We're like, \"I friendly's"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "friendly. You got friendly's up here."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "Friendly's.\""}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "And it is none other"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "than at the time unknown two Navy SEAL"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "snipers. One of them by the name of"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "Chris Kyle."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "Comes up the stairs and then is looking"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "at us. And we're like, \"Hey, what's up?"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "All right. \"Nice to see you.\" We're"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "like, \"We're working, right?\" And they I"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "The funniest part about this entire"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "story was"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "they were pissed. Cuz they come over and"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "we're we've got like the dream sniper"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "hide, right? We're in this thing, we're"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "recessed back, everything's we got a"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "great advantage point, and they come"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "over and they're like,"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "\"You think uh you think we can get into"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "some of these some of this high side?\""}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "And Memo was the consummate politician,"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "and he was like, \"Sorry, Bubba. You"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "know, this this apartment's full.\" And"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "he's like, \"But,"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "if you go across the hall, which the"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "hall is not big, if you go across the"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "hall, there's another room, there's a"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "crib and a good position advantage that"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "will cover our western flank.\" So, then"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "what happens is Chris Kyle and his"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "partner, and he actually writes about"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "this in his book, American Sniper."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Is Kevin Lace?"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:31", "text": ">> I don't I don't know the gentleman's"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "name. I don't He probably said it at one"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "point. Um"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "but, I think it was his partner at that"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "at that time. They set up on like a crib"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "on the side, and they have like a bed,"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "and they're in position. But, the"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "problem with Navy SEAL snipers"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "is they have 300 in mags. You guys have"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "way better gear than we did. So, then"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "what happens is now we get in the"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "position, and Marines and SEALs have to"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "compete with one another, right? So, now"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "we have three actual snipers, and then"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "one pig are now covering the northern"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "flank of Fallujah as we have the Marines"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "starting their advance in. And so, Chris"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "and his, you know, and his partner are"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "just ripping rounds cuz they can go like"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "1,800 rpm. The M40 was like 1,000,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "right? So, they're ripping rounds in the"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "city, and they're like, \"Navy, one!\" And"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "then we would shoot, and we're like,"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "\"Marines, one!\" So, what happened, dude?"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": ">> And we're [ __ ] yelling at each other"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "about this thing. And you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "all of this to say, there's always a"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "joke about competition between Marines"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "and SEALs. We were very happy to have"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "them there with us because we needed"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "their guns. And that point, the the SEAL"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "teams were completely integrated with"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "3/5 at that time frame. And so, for For"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "next, I think it was 6 to 8 hours, they"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "were with us until like sundown. And"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "they stayed with us and then eventually"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "they were like, \"Hey.\" Cuz they were"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "operating super independent and they"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "were like, \"Okay, hey, we're we're done"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "here. We're going to go link up.\" And"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "that was it. That was the last time that"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "I saw Chris Kyle um in, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "Fallujah. I was around him for like 6"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "hours or whatever it was. And we would"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "all take turns on the gun, you know, and"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "and spotting for one another and"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "confirming each other's kills uh as best"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "we could through that. And it was an"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "incredible opportunity to have like the"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "team work through that. All the other"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "Again, all the politics, all the"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "whatever, you know, [ __ ] goes out of"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "the window. It was just four Americans"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "trying to save a bunch of other"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "Americans crossing a large open danger"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "area."}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "And so after that"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": ">> Um man, that is [ __ ] cool."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:29", "text": ">> It was it was wild. My only challenge"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "with Chris was um um was in the book"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "American Sniper, I was a little"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "perturbed that he didn't mention us"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> Cuz I read that section and I was like,"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "\"Damn, dog.\" But you know we were right"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "there, right? And first, right? Um but"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "there's another book called Hogs in the"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "Shadows. Was written by a Marine sniper"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "that told other people's stories and um"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "Milo Afong is the author of that. He"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "wrote about that story uh covering Memo"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "Sandoval's uh exploits. So Memo is the"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "center of the story. I was a a an"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "additional character in that, but it was"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "about Memo. But we also write that we"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "were next to, you know, Chris Kyle and"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "his uh and his partner during that time"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "frame. But kind of an interesting"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "crossing of paths, for sure."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> I see these guys run across, armed"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "dudes."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "And I get the heads-up to my crew."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "Next thing you know, I find myself in a"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "gunfight."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "I'm on the left side of this window and"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "I'm engaging these two dudes with guns."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "They're shooting at us."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "And they were just getting [ __ ] up"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "with machine gun fire. Like it's just"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "spraying down like to the point where"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "we're like we're not even engaging the"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "window anymore. We're just going to eat"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "it. So we're backed off in the window,"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "waiting to hear gaps and lulls in the"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "fire so we can pop back out and engage."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "And how we started doing it was um"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> [clears throat and snorts]"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> the radio operator, he would go shoot,"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "and when he would go dry, that's when I"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "would come in. We were playing that"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "whole"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "tag you're it game."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "Meanwhile,"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "the two snipers in my team, they're in"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "the prone position on the ground"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "because when we're not actively"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "engaging,"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "very accurate sporadic fire is coming"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "through our window."}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": ">> There's been a lot of attention lately"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "on how important sleep is, not just for"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "recovery, but for your brain, hormones,"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "immune system, and for your performance."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "And the more research comes out, the"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "clearer it gets. If your sleep is off,"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "everything else gets harder. That's why"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "I use Helix. I've had my Helix mattress"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "for a while now, and it's been a real"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "upgrade from what I was sleeping on"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "before. Helix has over 20 mattress"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "models, so you can find one that"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "actually fits how you sleep instead of"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "guessing your way through it. And if you"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "sleep hot, they've got cooling upgrades"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "that help you stay comfortable through"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "the night, especially during the summer."}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "For me, Helix feels high quality,"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "durable, and comfortable. It's not just"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "a mattress that shows up in a box, it"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "feels like something that's built to"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "last. 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That's"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "helixsleep.com/srs"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "for up to 30% off. Make sure you enter"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "our show name after checkout so they"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "know we sent you. helixsleep.com/srs."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> And it's like literally just like mowing"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "on top of us. So, if you if you stick"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "your head up, you're done."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "And these guys are just like, \"Oh, [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "You guys get them?\" Like they're they're"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "kind of like laughing. They're like,"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "\"Fuck. They've been here, done that.\""}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "They've been to the invasion of Iraq."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "They were in Somalia One of them was in"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "Somalia. But it was real. It was it was"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "a real deal. It was really happening."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "And we were not participating. We were"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "it. We were it."}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:11:58", "text": ">> [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:11:59", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> [gasps]"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": ">> I remember going back behind the window."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "I reload another magazine."}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "And as soon as I pop out to shoot,"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "it all goes black."}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "And I remember this"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "this like profound exhale"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "that came out of me."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "And I ended up on the ground."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "And that's when I had this out-of-body"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "At the time, I had no idea what"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "happened. I thought I was dead."}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "I could see If you've ever played a game"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "or if you've ever seen a game where"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "there's like a glitch where you can kind"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "of see like a top-down view,"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "I I I saw this top-down view of what was"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "going on. I could see the the"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "the fighters across the street. I could"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "see my body. I could see my point man"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "still shooting. I could see my other"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "teammates on the ground. Like what the"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "[ __ ] going on? I just"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> You had a [ __ ] out-of-body experience"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "in the middle of combat?"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": ">> Holy [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "I've never heard of that."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "what happened was"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "I see this [ __ ] light."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "I see all these things going on. I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "like, dude, I'm [ __ ] dead."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "And I just get sucked back into this"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "life. And then I"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "I snap, and I'm in this fetal position."}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "My body went to this fetal position."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "And I start to move."}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "And I don't know if I was convulsing"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "or if it was from my friend kicking me."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "He's kicking me with his foot. He's in"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "the prone position. Just"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "\"Hey! Wake up!\" They're like, \"Dude, we"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "thought you were dead. We didn't see any"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "blood.\" I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "\"What happened?\" I'm like crying and"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "laughing at the same time. I have no"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "idea what's going on."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "I got shot right in the helmet."}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "And I didn't know this."}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "And I'm completely out of it."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Well, my body was down, fell at the"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "radio, near the radio. They're like,"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "\"Get on the radio and call in support.\""}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "And I'm like, \"What the fuck?\" I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "\"What's going on?\" You know, I'm trying"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "to figure out where I'm at. And they're"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "like, \"Get on the [ __ ] radio and call"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "for support.\""}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "I'm like, [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "\"Okay.\""}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "I'm like, I pick up this [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "handset."}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "And I give like the worst radio"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "transmissions ever. Every other word was"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "break."}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "\"Warhammer, break. This is break."}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "Grim Reaper, break. We need break.\" I'm"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "[ __ ] out of it."}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "I get it out. I mustered out. I I call"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "in like, \"Hey, here's our [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "location. This is what's going on.\""}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "And I'm getting broken calm."}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "And we're still under [ __ ] fire,"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "under attack."}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "And so my team leader's like, \"We got to"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "get out of here.\""}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "So we pack up the radio and we work our"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "way downstairs."}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "And I find myself with the radio"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "operator holding, basically being a"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "shield for him, so he can set up the"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "antenna, get communication, and we can"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "get [ __ ] contact. Cuz we're like,"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "\"Dude, shit's about to get real.\""}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "And my team leader and my assistant team"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "leader, they're cradling their sniper"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "rifle and they got their pistol out."}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "And I I can see kind of the doorway of"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "the building we're in. And then I see"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "this window right in front of me as I'm"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "like peeking out of this bathroom."}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "And it's a very tall window. And I see"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "this head, the top of this head, walk"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "by. I see this turban and everything"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "walk by. I'm like, am I"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "I'm like, [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "Cuz this is the real [ __ ] thing. So,"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "I'm like"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "I'm [ __ ] telling everyone shut the"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "[ __ ] up. There's people coming."}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "So, my my guy stops on the radio"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "communication cuz it's loud as [ __ ] We"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "don't have the best radios and antennas"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "back there and we're in a concrete"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "building. It's not We're not in a"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "favorable position to achieve"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "communication superiority."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "And we're And we're in somewhat"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "lockdown. So, we're not even in a in a"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "defensive true defensive posture. We're"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "almost just waiting for it."}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "And I see this shadow get bigger and"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "bigger into this into this room. I I"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "couldn't see anymore cuz I wasn't"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "peeking out anymore, but I just saw the"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "shadow figure get bigger and bigger and"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "bigger until this [ __ ] man's face,"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "this adult face, crossed the corner and"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "I just jam my [ __ ] gun into his face."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "He's got no weapon."}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "I [ __ ] hit him. I'm looking at him."}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "And I'm like, what the [ __ ] do we do?"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "And they're like, oh, he's trying to"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "come in and [ __ ] look at body counts."}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "You know, he's a [ __ ] spy. He's on"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "the lookout. And I'm like"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "I'm still like semi throwing up. I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "dizzy. I don't know what the [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "going on still. I'm semi conscious to"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "But like"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "I'm trying to process a whole bunch of"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "thon stuff."}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "And there's a whole bunch of stuff that"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "I need to get that my priority than my"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "own feelings and concerns and thoughts"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "and emotions."}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "One person ends up turning into seven"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "people."}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "People started to come to our house. No"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "weapons."}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "And we did not know what to do."}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "And I'm like, I'm not going to [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "kill these people that have no guns."}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "Like at that point in time I I made that"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "decision. Like I'm not going to anyone"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "can kill."}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "And at a [ __ ] young age before I"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "really learn"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "what that life was about"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "it did not They weren't a threat to me"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "and you can't just I don't know. At the"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "time I didn't do it. So it is what it"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "was."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "But we didn't have any stuff to hog tie"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "We didn't have anything to secure them."}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "All we had was [ __ ] our weapons drawn"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "at them and we're like, \"Dude, we are so"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "[ __ ] We got to get the [ __ ] out of"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "here cuz they make a jump on us, we're"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "done.\""}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "Yeah, we're we'll we'll take care of"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "few, but dude, they're we out we're"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "outnumbered."}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "Almost two to one at this point. Just"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "males."}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "And it was so random and instead of them"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "walking by, I'm like ushering them in."}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "I'm grabbing them forcefully, bringing"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "them in cuz the last thing I wanted them"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "to do was run away and tell people that"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "these four gringos are inside this house"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "and they have no idea what's going on."}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "And my team was like, \"Dude, we got to"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "we got to make a bill for we got to we"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "got to make a run for this thing.\""}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "And our only option was to hit the road,"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "skirt the [ __ ] town, and just run"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "until we made contact with friendlies"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "cuz we're still getting [ __ ] shot at."}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "It's not as violent now. It's sporadic"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "at this point. But now we have these"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "guys coming in and do quality checks."}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "And we have no idea what they are, what"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "they're about, what they represent, who"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "they work for. It's just a lot of weird"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "things are happening all at once."}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "And so we"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "make ourselves work ourselves out of"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "this house"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "and we just started to bound."}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "And we just kept on bounding until we"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "ran into an infantry squad."}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "And we tell them what's going on. We're"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "like, \"Yo, dude, we were in this"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "building over here. We got into contact"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "from across street.\""}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "And they're like, \"Oh yeah, we heard"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "that [ __ ] so we showed up and we just"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "started [ __ ] blasting both buildings."}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "We didn't know anything.\""}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "not really putting two and two together."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "I'm like, \"Oh, y'all are blasting that"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "[ __ ] building, too?\" They're like,"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "\"Oh yeah, we're [ __ ] blasting that"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "building, we're blasting that building"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "and we're And this is new, you know?"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "They didn't know [ __ ] We didn't know"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "[ __ ] until we started to like piece mail"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "these stories together.\""}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "At the time while that's taking place,"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "I'm throwing up."}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "I'm like, \"Oh my god, what's going on?\""}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "I get a motion and a cigarette."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "And uh the doc looks me over, does that"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "little eye sensory check, and he's like,"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "\"Okay.\""}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "TBI wasn't a thing back then."}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": ">> No one knew what that [ __ ] was."}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:30", "text": ">> [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": ">> And as we're basically teaming up,"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "sharing stories, they're telling us, \"Oh"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "yeah, so-and-so got shoot got shot"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "through and through the ass.\" Well,"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "little did we know his OIF 1 deployment,"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "he got shot through and through the ass"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "again. So, this is now the ass guy. So,"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "there's some funny there's some laughter"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "going on in this like"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "very chaotic place,"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "which is still"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "kindergarten compared to the varsity"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "that Fallujah was truly about."}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "We're like 6 7 hours into the first day"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "in this thing. It's nothing. It's all a"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "cakewalk."}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:03", "text": ">> No matter where you're watching The"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "please like, comment, and subscribe."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "And most importantly, share this"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "everywhere you possibly can. And if"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "you're feeling extra generous, head to"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "Apple Podcasts and Spotify and leave us"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "a review."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "What eventful operations were you on?"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> Uh like well probably the biggest"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "noteworthy"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "um was the gas oil platform."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Cuz that kicked off the war and it was"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "we uh we were sitting in Kuwait waiting"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "for that whole thing to happen. We I"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "know there was times we didn't think it"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "was going to happen, times we did. So we"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "were just all [sighs and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "you know basically [ __ ] around. It"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "was a tent city, you know, and we had"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "four I think we had four to six tents"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "that were ours, you know,"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "and uh we had two tents across from one"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "another. And I think you've heard this"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "before. We had these cardboard signs"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "on the outside of each tent. one that"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "said lions led by dogs, you know, and"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "then the tent across from it had a"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "cardboard sign that everybody could see"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "that said, \"Never before have so few"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "been led by so many.\" because uh all of"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "a sudden there was, you know, dozens of"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "06 SEALs coming out of their reserve"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "desk jobs now wanting to check the box"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "on war that never got to do it during"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "their tenure in the community. So, we"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "had never seen any of these officers"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "before and they literally just reserve"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "us came over and then of course lions"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "led by dogs, you know, that went over"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "well. I'll bet. What's funny is none of"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "them said remove those and we were like"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "the entryway into the area. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "everybody read these big ass signs"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "written, you know, with Sharpies, nice"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "and thick."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "And uh and then we would just heckle"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "people walking back and forth between"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "our tents. You know, we had built a war"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "garden. We had white picket fences. I"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "mean, during the time we were just"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "hanging out waiting for war to start. We"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "just got in trouble. And I was the LP. I"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "was in a leadership position for that"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "platoon. So, of course, I had all the"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "leadership coming to me. Can you please"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "tell your guys to just at least wear"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "their uniforms or something? I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "I'll try. I'll try. But, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "telling you, it's not going to work,"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "man. This is all about morale right now."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Like, I'm letting them do whatever"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "because that beats the alternative."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "Trust me. And they're just like, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "you need to they need to blouse their"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "boots.\" I said, \"They're not blousing"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "their boots. None of that's happening."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "Not on this watch.\" You know, it was"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> it was an interesting time, but that was"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "leadership that had no combat"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "experience. So, they were very uh risk"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "adverse is probably the best way to put"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "it. What a joke. It was It was uh It was"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "interesting. Well, [gasps]"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "so then they're like, \"All right, you're"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "going to take down the gas oil"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "platform.\""}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "So we uh we train train train to dive"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "in, you know, set up a blowand go line"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "and then you hook your dragers in to"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "this line at about 10 ft down. Then you"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "blow and go. You close the valve,"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "weapons up frogman style to the surface,"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "hook climb onto the We train that over"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "and over and over again. And then at the"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "last minute,"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "um, at the time he was Captain Har,"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "Captain Harwood,"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "uh, the guy who was very popular for"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "wearing a mask on the news, the"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "bald-headed, now he's an admiral, but at"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "the time he was Captain Harwood."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> And, uh, he makes the command decision"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "like, we got to prove the value of these"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "jetboats. And we're like, what do you"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "mean?"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": ">> You're just going to pull up pull up to"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "that go plat with your jetboat."}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "Why can't we take the jetboats, you"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "know, a nautical mile or two out and"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "dive in and still prove the value? No."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "No. [gasps]"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "You're going to pull right up to that"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "thing. And we're just like, wow. For"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "somebody as risk adverse,"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "you're putting us in. And this thing was"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "lit up like a Christmas tree, right? It"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "was this huge light bubble around this"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "thing. You see us coming a mile away."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "so that was the command decision that"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "we're just gonna pull up to the surf"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "deck of this goplat"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "um gas oil platform and uh take this"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "thing down. And intel said, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "there's three bad guys in a hostage or"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "something like that.\" And um like wow."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "And even then pulling up,"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "they have obviously the high ground. The"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "bad guys do. And supposedly it's wired"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "to blow up. So at least for diving in,"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "you got stealth on your side, element of"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "surprise, all this and that. You you"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "float in with some boats. That doesn't"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "exactly give us the element of surprise."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "So it um it it kind of started to smell"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "and appear like, you know, this total"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "suicide mission, which is one of one of"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "my new guys labeled it. You know, this"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "is a suicide mission. Like shut up."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "We're going to have fun with it, okay?"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "We're just going to do whatever we're"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "told, you know? So,"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "that same new guy ended up actually"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "quitting. He uh he we uh Yeah. He was he"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "ended up saying, \"Hey, this isn't for"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "me.\""}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:07", "text": ">> I remember Mike Ritland told me that"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "when I interviewed him."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. He I was I had asked him a"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "couple times because there was certain"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "questions he was asking in the briefs"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "that kind of made you turn your head"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "like, \"What are you doing, man? Why are"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "you asking that?\" Like, \"Is this smart?"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "Should we be doing this? Is this our"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "job?\" you know, he and I remember"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "confronting asking him like, \"Hey, man."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "You you all right?\" And he kind of"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "turned it around. Wait, are you all"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "right? Are you the one that's scared?"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "And I was just like, \"No, but you kind"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "of asking some questions that are"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "concerning. Maybe don't ask those"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "questions anymore in front of"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "leadership, in front of us, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "like just stop.\" You know,"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "and then eventually he ended up Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "gave up his bird, gave up everything and"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "was like, I'm out of here. I've never I"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "mean, wow."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean to go through all that"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "training and earn your way it's"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "unfortunate really you know but he had"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "to like stay back in Kuwait and uh we"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "after we took the gas oil platform down"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "you know we got in our Humvees and drove"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "north on Highway One really no mission"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "just hey go to go to Iraq"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "it's like okay you know we're on our way"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "[laughter] with our Humvees we borrowed"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "from the army that had zero armor We"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "like took the doors off, you know, it"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "was horrible. But um yeah, we ended up"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "pulling up to that thing. I was boat one"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "number one guy. Jumped off one of the f"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "surf deck. Shane was right behind me. We"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "ended up taking those stairs at mock"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "speed. Got about halfway up the stairs"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "to get to the superructure and boom,"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "first gunshot. I was like, \"Holy fuck.\""}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "And then on comms I'm like, \"Dynamic,"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "dynamic.\" That was the word for like,"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "\"Okay, the gig's up. Just go.\" And we"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "get to the top"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "and it's right near birthing where the"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "superructure is and there's a guy"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "standing in front of us, no gun. We're"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "like, \"Get on the ground. Get on the"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "ground.\" We kind of move up to them,"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "break look to our right, and there's"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "like I don't know, seem like a dozen"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "dudes staring at us. And there was only"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "supposed to be three bad guys and a and"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "a hostage. And I'm like, now we're like,"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "\"Holy fuck.\" you know, and that now the"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "everyone else is catching up and um"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "we're telling all these dudes, get on"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "the ground, get on the ground and"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "looking at their hands and it was kind"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "of it was an overwhelming moment because"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "you didn't know who had what and we're"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "thinking triggering device and now you"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "got all these dudes and why are they"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "standing here and not like [gasps] so"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "real time it's just one big puzzle and"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "you what we do best, right? Just start,"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "you know, stick to your training and"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "start figuring out solutions. So get"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "them all to the ground looking for guns,"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "looking hands, and then start clearing"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "the superructure, the birthing. That was"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "the priority to look for the triggering"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "device if there was any the if the thing"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "was wired to blow. Anyway, we end up"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "clearing it. And now you're clearing the"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "entire This thing was one click long,"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "seven decks. So seven click, seven"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "clicks of 3D environment because the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "floors aren't floors. They're they're"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "great. You can see up, you can see down."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "And it's a horrible environment, you"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "know, when you are like, now we're like,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "wait a minute, it's not three bad guys."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "There's more. Now we got to go out"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "seven clicks of this and clear it. And"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "so we just started clearing it from end"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "to end and deck to deck. And it was a"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "long ass night. I remember we were so"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "dehydrated and out of it. We weren't"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "ready for it at all. I mean, if you"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "know, we're finding shoulder fired"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "weapons, anti-aircraft guns, and then it"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "was wired to explode all subsurface. So,"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "all the explosives were just below the"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "water line. And um find the found"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "triggering device. We had some EOD guys"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "with us, so they made everything safe."}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "Um it took hours and um and then and"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "then we had Marines roll in. They kind"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "of took over. So by the end of it, there"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "was 27 I think 27 bad guys, no hostage"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "and there was like 16 of us, right?"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": ">> If they really wanted to man up with all"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "the guns and the shoulder fired rockets"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "and the anti-aircraft gun and and then"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "the place was wired to explode. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "it would have been an interesting, you"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "know, following Saddam's first run, what"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "did he do? He blew everything up and"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "created these environmental disasters"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "that made Bush, you know, the first Bush"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "look dumb, right? And so our whole job"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "was the mission was, hey, prevent"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "environmental disaster"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "by taking the thing down before they"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "could, you know, light themselves off"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "really. And um"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "yeah, so then uh we turned it over to"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "the Marines and then we get back and we"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "do a quick debrief and kind of like,"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "\"All right,"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "what was the first shot fired?\""}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "And uh turns out one of the boat guys"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "arming the 50 cal in the bow was really"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "nervous."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "No way. And so his thumb"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "hit the button, launched that ad"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "straight in to the very pipe of oil"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "that we are there to prevent spilling,"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "you know, into the Persian Gulf. Holy"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "[ __ ] Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": ">> I talk a lot about training, nutrition,"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "and mindset, but if your sleep is off,"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "you're leaving a lot on the table."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "Recovery doesn't happen while you're"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "grinding. It happens when you're asleep."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "That's when your body rebuilds, resets,"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "and actually absorbs the work you put"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "in. And one of the biggest factors in"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "sleep quality is temperature. If you're"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "too hot, you end up tossing and turning"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "and not getting deep sleep. 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No."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "And so now we take our Sanford and Sun"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "hoopies [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "that we got from the army, these Humvees"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "that had zero armor and"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "and we uh you know load them up with"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "MREs, water and fuel. And then we had"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "law rockets and AT4 rockets zip tied to"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "every horizontal vertical pipe you know"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "or you know every part of the vehicle."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "And then our guns and comms and they're"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "like, \"Yeah, just drive up Highway One"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "and uh link up with the Marines.\" We're"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "like, \"Oh, okay."}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "Interesting.\" That was it. And so we"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "start driving up Highway One, Kuwait,"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "across the border. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "So we knew 700 years before Jesus was"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "born that the Messiah would be born of a"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "virgin."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Why was it so important that Jesus was"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "born of a virgin?"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Yeah. All humankind has got this corrupt"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "moral nature."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> He is God. Why couldn't he just forgive?"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "Exactly."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> That's like my favorite question to"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "answer ever. When did we know that Jesus"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "was going to come from the Virgin Mary?"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:28", "text": ">> We knew it 700 years before it happened."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "um the prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 7:14 for"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "foretold that the Messiah would be born"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "of a virgin. Now that gets a little"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "controversial because skeptics will say"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "sometimes, well, wait a minute, the word"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "Alma in the Greek that's used there"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "doesn't always necessarily mean virgin."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "If they meant if to use virgin, they"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "would have used word batula, which is"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "another Hebrew word. And so, was he"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "really talking about a virgin birth of"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "the Messiah? Mhm."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> Well, there the answer is there was no"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "single word in ancient Hebrew that"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "always meant virgin. They didn't have a"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "word in their vocabulary. The word"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "that's used, Alma, is means young"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "maiden. And a young maiden was presumed"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "to be a virgin in those days. The other"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "word that people want them to use,"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "patula, actually is used sometimes of"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "widows who were not virgins. So, they"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "did use the correct word, a young"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "maiden, a virgin is to give birth. In"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "fact, before Jesus was even born, when"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "the scholars translated the Hebrew"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "scriptures into the Greek, the word that"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "they show was for that translation, this"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "even before Jesus was born, was virgin."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "So, they got it. Um, so this prediction"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "700 years in advance was that the"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "Messiah would be born of a virgin."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> Why was it so important that Jesus was"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "born of a virgin?"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> Yeah, very important because"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": ">> and that's a miracle in itself. So I do"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "understand the symbolism."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> Yes, it was a miracle itself. But also"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "it meant that he would not be tainted by"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "original sin or a corrupt moral nature"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "that has come down ever since Adam"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "messed up and has kind of corrupted the"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "human being the line of human beings. It"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "had to be an interruption in that"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "somehow otherwise she would have"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "inherited this corrupt moral nature that"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "we all inherit."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> Because that are you saying that because"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "she wasn't married? Um, no. I'm saying"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "that because um um you know all"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "humankind has um got this corrupt moral"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "nature. But here's the here's what"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "happened in Luke 1:35 as he describes"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "the virgin birth. Luke says through an"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "angel Mary is told the Holy Spirit will"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "come upon you and overshadow you so that"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "in other words as a consequence of that"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "the child will be born holy and will be"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "declared the son of God."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "He he will become holy means sinless. He"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "will be sinless. So in other words,"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "there is something about the conception"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "of the child through the Holy Spirit"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "that has um created sinlessness"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "in the baby who is born because he uses"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "that word so that the Holy Spirit is"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "going to conceive the child so that he"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "will be holy. He will be without sin."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "Okay,"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> we don't understand that process"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "necessarily, but it is the intervention"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "of the Holy Spirit that interrupts that"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "lineage of of corrupt moral nature and"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "stops it so that this child is born"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "without original sin. So, so it's not"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "the it's not the it's not that"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "how do I say that? It's not that there"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "was no sex there was no there was no sex"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "to conceive. That's not it. It is it is"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "wiping out a lineage that would have had"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "sin."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": ">> Well, there is Yeah, there was no"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "intercourse that they had before for"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "Jesus to be born. So, there was no male"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "contribution of a Y chromosome through"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "normal sexual intercourse."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> Um, and so that but that isn't what"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "eliminates sin from Jesus because Mary"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "was a sinner."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> The Bible says she was a sinner. Now,"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "Catholics would disagree with that, but"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "I look at the Bible, it says all have"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "sinned and fallen short of the glory of"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "God. Doesn't say except for Mary. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "um, yes, I believe Mary was sinner. I"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "believe we're all sinners. Uh, Mary"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "needed forgiveness just as we all need"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "forgiveness. Um, so what the conception"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "by the Holy Spirit did is it interrupted"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "that process and allowed the baby to be"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "born without sin. So, you know,"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "Catholics uh believe in the immaculate"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "conception. um that doesn't refer to the"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "virgin birth of Jesus. That refers to"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "the conception of Mary. They believe"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "that Mary's mother was um gave was"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "sinless and gave birth to Mary who was"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "sinless. I just don't see that evidence"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "in scripture. There was a a scholar by"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "the name of Dr. Peter Stoner, a"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "mathematician at a college in"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "California, and he said, \"Wait a minute."}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Some of these prophecies could be"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "mathematically quantifiable.\" They're"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "quantifiable. For instance, Micah 5:2"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "says the Messiah would be born in"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "Bethlehem. How many people have been"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "born in Bethlehem? We can calculate"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "that. So, let's get the ones that can be"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "calculated and run the numbers. And you"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "know what they found? The odds of any"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "human being coincidentally"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "fulfilling just 48 of these ancient"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "prophecies would be one chance in a"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "trillion trillion trillion trillion"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "trillion trillion trillion trillion"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "trillion trillion trillion trillion."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "Wow. It ain't going to happen. You get"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "the numbers like that and you can"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "confidently say that ain't going to"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "happen by chance. And yet Jesus did it"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "in fulfillment to prove he is who he"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "claimed to be, the unique, the Messiah,"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "the unique son of God. You know, Jesus"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "did not just come into the world so we"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "could show us how to live a good life."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "He did that. If you read the the the"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "sermon on the mount and the biatitudes,"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "it's these his teachings of how to live"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "are brilliant and and wonderful. And so"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "we can't live up to that. We can emulate"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "as best we can. We all fall short."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "His mission was not to be born only and"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "live. It was to die to pay the penalty"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "that we deserve. Why did Jesus have to"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "die on the cross? Yeah. Why did he have"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "to do it?"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> I mean, he's God's son. He's God's only"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "son. Why didn't God make another son?"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": ">> Mhm. We got a lot of questions here. I"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "mean, I just don't I just"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "I don't fully understand why it had to"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": ">> If he is God,"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "why couldn't he just forgive? Exactly."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Yeah, dude. Yeah, man. That's like my"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "favorite question to answer ever. All"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "right. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "[clears throat] the Bible says that God"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "uh did it that way so that he could be"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "both, let me say it and then explain it."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "So he could be both just and the"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "justifier of the ungodly. All right. So"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "just [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "and justifier. All right. So"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "the my favorite way to illustrate this"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "is is by a story. Okay. So best"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "illustration of why God had why Jesus"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "had died on the cross I've ever heard."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "All right. It goes like this. Once upon"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "a time in a faroff kingdom, uh there was"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "a king who is known by everyone in the"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "kingdom to be the most just and loving"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "king who had ever lived."}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "But then it was discovered that somebody"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "was stealing from the king's treasury."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "And so the king being a just king, he"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "sent out an edict that whenever it was"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "discovered who was stealing from the"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "king's treasury, that that person would"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "receive 10 lashes."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "Well, the theft continued and so he"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "issued another decree. 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And"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "the king strode forward and he took off"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "his own shirt and he bent over and he"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "wrapped his body around his own daughter"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "and looked back up over his shoulder and"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "he said, \"Now hit her.\" And the"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "executioner objected and he said, \"But"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "king, those lashes, they'll fall on"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "you.\" And he said, \"The sentence must"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "stand. It's just hit her.\""}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "And so 40 lashes fell on the body of the"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "king that protected the body of his"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "daughter and the king died in thestead"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "of his daughter. And what happened John"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "in that story is the king was both just"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "because payment for the sin had to be"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "made and the king was the justifier of"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "the ungodly. She went free because he"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "took the penalty. See, the reason Jesus"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "had to die on the cross is because God"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "is just and so payment for sin has to be"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "made. Like if somebody walked into a"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "courtroom and a judge just went, \"You"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "know what, man? You raped that girl when"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "she was young, but you're real sorry and"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "I have the power to do it. You're"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "forgiven.\""}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": ">> Nobody would think that was a just"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "judge."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "So penalty for sin had to be made. But"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "God is love, so he made the payment"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "himself. That's what the Bible means"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "when it says, \"For the wages of sin is"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "death, but the free gift of God is"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "eternal life through Jesus Christ our"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "Lord.\" Okay? So, it's a substitutionary"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "sacrifice. In my place, condemned, he"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "stood. Wow. 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Bin Laden had"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "27 vessels"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "and they had like a a three- ring binder"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "of these vessels and pictures and stuff"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "and they're like, \"Man, we need to get"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "these things like tagged, you know.\" And"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "um I think the initial idea was like the"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "third deck at Fort me having this Tom"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Clancy room with all these screens and"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "being able to see you know all 27"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "vessels on a on a global screen. You"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "know I think that was the idea. But um"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "so the first little gig was you know hey"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "we got this boat called the well it was"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "called the J"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "and it's a smaller metal um tanker not"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "really that big and it was supposedly"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "sitting in the Djibouti port and harbor"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "right and so I was like all right let's"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "go put a [ __ ] tracking device on this"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "thing and so uh that was like kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "like the first like, you know, trial run"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "and I was working a lot with all of your"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "TTL companies."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> Did you do it"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> creatively? 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He's"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "like, \"We're being followed.\" And we we"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "ended up creating our own little like"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "crazy on the on the-fly SDR back to"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "where we were staying. And you know, I"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "don't think anybody was following us,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "but it felt like someone was following"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "us, you know, and it was probably just,"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "you know, I think in those uh at least"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "in my experience, you"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "just human paranoia. Yes. You know, you"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "always feel like somebody's following"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "you or watching you in those situations."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "For sure. And we were fumble [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "through it. you know, we didn't know"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "what we were doing. And then you come"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "back and you go, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "where did I fail on that?\" And it's like"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "SDRs, tradecraft, you know, just taking"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "the risk of a harbor that was okay lit,"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "but we were fortunate that that one"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "happened to be in dark, you know, we got"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "lucky with a lot of the environmentals"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "that just didn't think to take into"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "consideration. You're just kind of like,"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "\"Fuck it. Let's just do it.\" You know,"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> did you have any cover?"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": ">> No, I didn't think so."}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Nothing. Then things get and then we"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "just advanced it from there. Everything"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "we advanced the tags these companies"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "we're working with building tags and"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "um I mean it just kind of grew from"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "there. We had another bin Laden boat um"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "another run. This one was the uh"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "I think it was called the Hamore. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "named after Persian Gulf has these huge"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "fish,"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "big black fish. They're like bass of the"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "sea. They're massive and they're not"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "scared of humans, but they're called I"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "think they're called the homore. This"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "thing was named after it. That one was"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "anchored. They're like, \"Yeah, go out"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "there and tag it.\" And it's like, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "well, we weren't advanced enough for"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "that yet.\" [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "You know, you had turtle high, turtle"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "low systems, remember those you train"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "with? It's like a magnet. Just we"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "thought about doing that, but those"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "things can be seen if they pull into a"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "port or harbor. So,"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "but yeah, that was the kind of the"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "kickoff first like vessel and"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "I think uh by the end of the run I was"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "the only guy who tagged vehicles,"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "vessels"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "and even like a a shoe sold like sold"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "the shoe."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> How'd you tag that? [sighs]"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:52", "text": ">> Oh man. Um so so"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "the the the lead negotiator and leader"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "of the Somali pirates"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "was standing on the side of the road in"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "Baso Somalia one day broad daylight on"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "his phone"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "and some of our guys when I say our the"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "piss which is the puntland intelligence"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "service which is a bunch of some mollies"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "that [gasps] I've been a bunch of times"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "and trained these guys. And there's some"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "crazy stories associated with that. But"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "teaching them surveillance"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "and uh they like see these guys, they"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "rolled them up. I wasn't there. I just"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "come in like a couple days later. So"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "they see them on the side of the road."}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "And so they square the block, come back"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "and grab them and throw them in the back"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "of their truck, right? And take them to"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "the safe site. And um there was and at"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "this point this is you fast forward we"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "had now have NSW guys part of the very"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "program that I had kind of built the SA"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "you know I don't know if remember they"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "had these special activity teams that"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "had been given I don't know a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "different names but it was basically a"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "command team guys that now sitting in"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "these houses in different areas now it's"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "like wow this thing is advanced you know"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "um so they're holding on to this guy And"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "so we roll in and they're like, \"So"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "here's the deal. There's this whole like"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "political issue. You got the three main"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "clans in Somalia and the elderlys have"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "to kind of buy off on like this guy"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "going away. This is the guy that was on"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "the radio talking to Jonas and those"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "other gold squadron guys and different"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "people for uh or red hybrid. 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So,"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "when you're watching the movie Captain"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "Phillips, there's the voice on the"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "radio."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> This is that guy."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:57", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:58", "text": ">> These guys just rolled up because they"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "see him standing on the side of the"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "road."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:01", "text": ">> No [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "and he is, you know, a rock star in"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "Somalia and he is brought I mean he"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "brought in the biggest part of their"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "economy there. 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[gasps]"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:28", "text": ">> So you can count on them all being high"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "and you can get away with a lot during"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "that time obviously when you you know"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "just like we always do. You just use the"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "culture against them. But um"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "should have been a shorter story, but"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "they wrap the guy up. Gives you context"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "to who he is. And uh then there's a it's"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "a thing. We couldn't just snag him if we"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "wanted to maintain support with the"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "little support we had in Somalia."}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "So all of those like the PIS, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "the the Pontland Intelligence Service,"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "we had the kind of the same version"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "other places. And so they all had to"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "kind of agree, right? They're like,"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "\"Hey, you're going to take this guy"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "who's the biggest part of our economy."}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "All his ransom money was funding that"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "country, right? Millions and millions of"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "dollars, right? So it was political."}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "They're like, \"We want to pull him.\" So"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "there was this back and forth. And then"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "there was this point when they were"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "like, \"Hey, we got to let him go.\" We're"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "like, \"What?\" And I'm I'm there at that"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "point. And I happened to have I always"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "like carried all these different tags"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "with me everywhere I went. And um and I"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "had a a Black Squadron tech with me"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "[gasps] and they were like, \"Well, hey,"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "so how do we we're told, hey, like make"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "sure you tag him.\" We're like, \"Tag him,"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "you know.\" So, you know, they had"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "stripped him down and put him in like"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "some, you know, their own clothes and"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "kind of took his own clothes and we"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "created this whole storyline on how to"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "get his clothes and his shoes and"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "everything. and and they were like he"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "one thing about Somali's is they always"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "are interestingly they're always dressed"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "nice they got slacks on long sleeve"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "shirts untucked"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "somewhat clean and shaven they're always"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "kind of moving with a purpose going from"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "point A to point B um and always like"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "leather dress shoes with the old school"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "wooden soles and so we took his shoes"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "pulled out the insoles had a Dremel"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "put the tag in there put it back. We put"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "his shoes on, walked around him, making"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "sure it didn't feel different than the"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "other. Um,"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "made sure it was heavily concealed,"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "everything glued back in place, and then"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "we were like, \"All right, here's the"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "test.\" You know, it was the day to"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "release him. And so, you know, they gave"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "him his clothes and he got dressed, he"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "put his shoes on. He didn't act any"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "different. kind of watching him,"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "let him out the front door, went or went"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "and dropped him off, but basically let"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "him go knowing that, okay, we got to"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "potentially grab this dude if he runs or"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "whatever. The clan leaders, you know,"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "don't come to a decision on this guy."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "[sighs and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "So, um, some I feel like a week or so"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "went by and"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "everybody agreed and then, uh, yeah,"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "they ended up lighting up that area so"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "that his tag would reflect back. It"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "worked. Kept track of him the whole"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "time. It's really cool. And then, uh,"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "then eventually rolled him up. Um, they"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "basically ran a rende a rendition"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "package on him, you know, where move him"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "from jet to jet. he doesn't touch"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "sovereign territory so that he can't,"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "you know, pull any [ __ ] with the"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "attorneys. And then uh"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "he showed up in New York one day and put"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "on trial and he's sitting in prison in"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "New York."}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:52", "text": ">> Wow. All those crimes against,"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "you know, US companies, citizens, all"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "that. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:56", "text": ">> [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": ">> Yeah. No matter where you're watching"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "the Shaun Ryan Show from, if you get"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "anything out of this at all, anything,"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "please like, comment, and subscribe. And"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "most importantly, share this everywhere"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "you possibly can. And if you're feeling"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "extra generous, head to Apple Podcast"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "and Spotify and leave us a review."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Thanks to Zachdoc for sponsoring today's"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "video."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "Gather out. This happened in England in"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "1980. Trevor Parker was walking his"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "coalard after a rain and wanted to make"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "sure the runoff was draining. He stopped"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "at a 10-ft pile. A man in a suit was"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "laying on top of his coal. Maybe a drunk"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "sleeping it off. But it's hard to climb"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "coal sober. 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Somebody had him for 5"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "days, then they sent him back."}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "and doctor. Well, did we miss anyone?"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": ">> We are human. I need a ride to the"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "doctor and zero follow-up questions."}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:15", "text": ">> Why is there a bag of frozen peas duct"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "taped to your bowl?"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> Oh, Dirty did first aid. She earned a"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "badge for this. A Desert Scouts Troop 9."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "She's got a sash."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": ">> You didn't answer my question. Well,"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "look, you know how it takes forever to"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "get a doctor's appointment unless"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "something's actually wrong with you."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Like supply and demand."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": ">> Well, I created demand. I hired a guy to"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "beat me up. I learned it from that that"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "French act in Chicago with the sandwich."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> You know, he got convicted"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": ">> and unconvicted human. Look it up. His"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "mistake was hiring guys he knew. He"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "images. I hired a professional from"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "Angie's Fist."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": ">> Bullies for hire licensed insured. I I"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "hired this guy, Eugene. His profile said"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "reliable, discreet, lactose intolerant."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "I didn't need to know that last one, but"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "but I respect the honesty. He had a five"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "knuckle review."}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": ">> You paid a stranger to hurt you. I would"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "have done it for free. No,"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> I would have done it for free. Let me do"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "the jokes, huh? Uh, anyway, me and"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "Eugene had a contract. Two body shots,"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "uh, one light slap, nothing above the"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "kills. I'm on camera for a living, but"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "Eugene beat me to an orange pup. And"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> and I prepaid human no refunds. And I"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "was in the contract, too. The one"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "section he did honor."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> So go see a doctor."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:35", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. I don't need to"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "fake an emergency anymore. I graduated"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "to a real one. So please take me to the"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "hospital."}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> Why can't Gertie take you?"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": ">> Oh, can't. She's got a camel toe job."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": ">> Okay, I'll come get you, but next time"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "you need to use today's sponsor, Zach"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "Do. It's a free website that lets you"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "find local in-et network doctors and"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "book instantly. Ow. Did you just be the"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "interview sponsor?"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": ">> Yep. I'll be honest. 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Head to"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "zdock.comwyfiles"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "or click the link in the description to"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "get started and check that appointment"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "off your to-do list."}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> Files to get an appointment."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> But tomorrow 9.9"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "rating, human."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Oh, speaking of rating that Eugene just"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "left me a five knuckle review."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Confused but stayed still. Would beat"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "again. Oh, that was nice."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "Ziggman Ziggyadamsky was 56 years old"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "and he spent his whole life working on"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "the ground. But he was done. His chest"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "hurt all the time and his heart couldn't"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "take much more. Besides, his wife Lahi"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "was in a wheelchair and needed him home."}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "So he asked the coboard for an early"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "retirement. They said no. But he didn't"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "let it spoil the week. A cousin was over"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "from Poland with her boy and the three"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "[music] of them went to town and had"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "fish and chips. And the next day was the"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "wedding. Adamsky was giving his"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "godaughter away. He even wrote a speech."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "About 3:30 that afternoon, [music] he"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "grabbed his jacket, told Lahi he was"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "going for potatoes, and went out. The"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "shop was just down the road. A neighbor"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "said hello as Ziggy walked past, but"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "Ziggy never reached the shop."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "Lahy waited until dark and then she"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "called the police. She thought he was"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "kidnapped. And this hurts. The day after"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "he vanished, Ziggy got a letter from the"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "coal board. They changed their mind. He"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "could retire. All Liby could do is put"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "the letter in a drawer. There was nobody"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "to tell. The police searched the village"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "and the papers ran his photo. They"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "didn't get a single tip. Then 5 days"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "after he vanished, the police got a call"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "from Trevor Parker at a coal yard in"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "Todd Morton. [music] Somebody found a"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "body. Constable Alan Godfrey and his"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "partner went to investigate. Parker said"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "he was in the yard until 11 that"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "morning. There was no body, only Cole."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "The yard was on a busy road in the"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "middle of town, and nobody saw a thing."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Godfrey climbed. He was black to the"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "elbows by the time he reached the top."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "And when he got there, he was a foot"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "away from the dead man's face. He said,"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "\"Those eyes were staring up at me. Those"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "eyes sent the shutter down my spine."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "They were wide open.\" The man wore a"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "suit jacket and trousers, and the jacket"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "was buttoned into the wrong holes, and"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "his shirt was gone, but he was wearing a"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "white string vest. His watch and wallet"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "were gone. His shoes were on, but they"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "weren't tied correctly, like they were"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "tied in a rush, and the coal around the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "body wasn't disturbed. No slide marks,"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "no footprints, nothing to show how he"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "got up there. The police checked the"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "missing person's list and found a photo."}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "The man on the call was Ziggy Damsky, 20"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "mi from home in a town he had no reason"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "to visit. But this was a strange case."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "The back of Ziggy's head was shaved, and"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "around the shaved patch was a ring of"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "burns, [music] and out of a wound on his"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "neck was seeping a slimy yellow green"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "substance."}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "Ziggy was gone 5 days, but only had one"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "day of stubble. Somebody shaved him."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "Somebody cut his hair, too, [music] but"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "not well. It was chopped and uneven. The"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "pathologist ran an autopsy, and the"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "first thing he learned was Ziggman"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "Damsky wasn't dead for days. He died"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "just a few hours ago."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "[music] Ziggman the Dampsky was alive"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "the whole time he was missing. Somebody"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "was feeding him. The autopsy showed a"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "full stomach. He was well rested."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "Whoever had him kept him fed, kept him"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "shaved, and kept him indoors for 5 days"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "while his photo ran in the papers. The"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "burns were odd. They were chemical"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "burns, something corrosive on the skull"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "and the neck and across his shoulders."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "The marks look like electrodes had been"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "stuck to his skin. But after somebody"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "burned him, they treated him. There was"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "ointment on the wound."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "The police checked with every doctor at"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "every hospital in the county. Nobody saw"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "him. They tested the ointment against"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "thousands of known chemicals. Nothing"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "matched. That was all the damage. He had"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "a scrape on his leg, a few cuts on his"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "hands and knees, but no sign of a"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "struggle. The burns didn't kill him, his"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "heart did. The pathologist said this was"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "a classic case of a man who was scared"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "to death. The coroner spent all summer"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "trying to figure out what happened. A"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "senior officer on the case thought it"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "was murder. And murder was Godfreyy's"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "first instinct, too. But there were no"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "suspects. No wounds, no struggle, no"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "witnesses. and no way a sick man in a"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "suit [music] climbed 10 feet of wet coal"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "without getting dirty. The coroner"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "wouldn't call it murder, but he couldn't"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "call it natural. He said it was a heart"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "attack, but left every other question"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "open. He called it the strangest case of"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "his career. That summer, something else"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "strange was happening in the area."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "Orange fireballs in the sky. Lights and"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "objects reported for weeks before Ziggy"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "vanished and for [music] weeks after."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "People started calling the valley UFO"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "Alley."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "5 months later, the constable who"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "climbed that coal pile stopped his car"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "on a road a mile away. He had to. There"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "was no room to drive around the"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "spaceship."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "That November, near the end of a night"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "shift, Godfrey got sent to find some"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "cows wandering around an estate a mile"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "from the coalyard. At 5 in the morning"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "in the rain, cows were the job. He"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "passed a big black dog sitting by the"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "roadside and thought nothing of it."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "There were headlights ahead. He thought"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "it was a bus till he got close enough to"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "see it was something else. A diamond 20"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "ft wide hanging 5 ft over the road."}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "The bottom was half turned and there was"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "a row of windows around the middle and"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "it hovered so low that the bushes under"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "it were shaking. He tried the car radio"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "dead. His walkie-talkie also dead. He"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "got out his notebook and started drawing"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "the diamond. That's the last thing he"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "remembers."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "Then he was 100 yards down the road,"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "still driving, and the thing was gone."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "His watch was off by almost 20 minutes,"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "and the sole of his boot was split open."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "He went back with another officer. The"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "road was wet everywhere except for one"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "round patch, and the leaves around it"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "were [music] swept in an outward circle."}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "The cows turned up after sunrise,"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "standing in a soaked field, but"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "completely dry with no hoof prints"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "anywhere near them."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "Godfrey didn't report it, but then he"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "heard that a Halifax patrolman saw a"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "blue white glow drop out of the sky the"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "same night. He filed his report. Months"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "later, he went with a hypnotist back to"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "the road and he learned that the light"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "got into the car and then the engine"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "died. Then the next thing he knows, he's"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "in a room and he wasn't alone. He said,"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "\"They're horrible. [music] Small, like"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "5-year-old lads. There are eight of"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "them. They keep touching me.\" Their"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "heads were shaped like lamps. The black"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "dog from the roadside was in the room"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "with him. And there was a man tall with"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "a beard. He was dressed like something"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "out of the Old Testament, and he said"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "his name was Joseph."}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "Then a man who said he was from the"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "ministry came to see Godfrey and said he"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "was now under the Official Secrets Act."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "Not a word about Adamsky. Not a word"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "about the road, the diamond, the dog,"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "nothing. The story got out anyway. A"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "Sunday paper put Godfrey on the front"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "page. His bosses thought he was crazy"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "and sent him to a doctor for tests. He"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "basted. He said the object was real and"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "he never changed his story. And after he"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "retired, he said he wished he never saw"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "the thing."}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "They still ask him about Ziggy, the man"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "on the coal, and he always gives the"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "same answer. Something or someone put"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "him on top of that pile of coal. and"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "something scared him to death. Ziggy's"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "goddaughter's wedding was the day after"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "he vanished. He never got a chance to"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "give that speech."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "Gather around. This happened in 1966. A"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "kid in Brazil flew his kite into a tree"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "on a hill above town. He climbed up"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "after it and stopped when he smelled"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "something, something rotten."}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "Then he saw them. Two men lying side by"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "side in suits. Beside their heads, masks"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "cut from lead, shaped like sunglasses."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "No eye holes, just solid metal. Both of"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "the men were dead."}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "One of them had a note in his pocket."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "step-by-step instructions. What time to"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "be on that hill, what to swallow, and to"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "wait for a signal. They followed every"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "step."}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "The kid ran home and called the police."}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "It was late in the afternoon in the"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "rain, and the only way up that hill was"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "a foot path through the brush. So, the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "bodies waited another night. The next"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "morning, it took the police more than"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "two hours to reach the clearing. A patch"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "of open ground the size of a living room"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "right at the top. But they weren't"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "alone. Word spread overnight, and"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "firefighters, volunteers, and reporters"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "climbed up with them. The men were 4"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "days dead, [music] and the smell reached"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "the clearing before the police did."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "Both men wore raincoats over their"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "suits, new ones with the store tags"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "still on, and the masks lay next to"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "their heads. They were on their backs on"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "a mat of palm leaves, the kind you can't"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "tear by hand. Somebody cut those leaves"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "with a blade and laid them [music] out"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "flat, but there was no blade anywhere on"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "that hill. And there was blood on the"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "leaves. Each man also had a little blood"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "at the nose and the mouth and nothing"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "else. No wound, no bruise, nothing that"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "said how they died. The papers said who"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "they were. Miguel Jose Vana, 34, and"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "Manuel Pereira de Cruz, 32. two TV"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "repair men from Campos, a 5-hour bus"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "ride up the coast. Their pockets had a"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "little cash, cigarettes, and the deposit"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "slip [music] for a bottle of mineral"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "water lying beside them, almost empty."}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "Next to it, a package with two towels,"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "cups folded out of foil, and a newspaper"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "from the day they left home. Miguel's"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "watch was in his trouser pocket, not on"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "his wrist. His wedding ring was inside"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "his jacket, [music] wrapped around his"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "reading glasses."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "Then there were the things that were"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "even stranger. A folded handkerchief"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "with the initials AMS stitched into it."}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "[music] Neither family knew it, and"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "neither man had a friend with those"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "initials. Squares of cellophane soaked"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "in some chemical, and a stack of"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "handwritten notes. One had Oh L worked"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "out on it, normal for men who fix TVs"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "for a living. One was written in code,"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "numbers, and letters nobody can read."}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "One was the instructions. 16:30 be at"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "specified place. 18:30 ingest capsules"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "after [music] the effect. Protect metals"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "weight signal mask. And the last one was"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "a schedule. Sunday, one capsule after"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "meal. Monday, one capsule in the morning"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "while fasting. Tuesday, one capsule"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "after meal. Wednesday, one capsule when"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "lying down."}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "The bodies have been up there since"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "Wednesday. They took that capsule. They"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "laid down. They never got back up. But"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "three months earlier, those same two"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "men, they blew a hole in the beach."}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "At 9:00 one night in May, a beach 40 mi"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "from Campost exploded. A fireball lit"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "the sky. People heard it 6 milesi away."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "Houses shook and a movie theater emptied"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "in a panic."}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "By morning, the story was that a flying"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "saucer crashed into the sea. The Navy"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "even said people, \"A cop walked the sand"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "and found a hole about the size of a"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "truck tire and he smelled sulfur.\""}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "Four men from Campos were on that beach."}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "Miguel and Manuel, Vald Deir, who strung"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "antennas for them, and Elio who helped"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "them out of the shop and ran the show"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "[music] that night. Elkio was a"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "spiritist. He believed the dead speak"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "through the living and that Mars has"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "people on it. He channeled the spirit."}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "He called Dr. Samuel. Miguel had asthma,"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "but the spirit cured it. Manuel always"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "had a stomach ache, but Dr. Samuel cured"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "that, too. Dr. Samuel gave them all"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "advice, and the four men held long"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "sessions at the shop after hours. On a"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "shelf in that shop was a book about life"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "on Mars written down from a spirit with"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "their notes in the margins. Miguel and"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "Elkio were the believers. Manuel was the"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "doubter in the room. That night at the"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "beach, Elkio told the others to wait in"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "the car. He walked out toward the water"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "alone. 10 minutes later, he came running"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "back. Behind him, a huge red and purple"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "light came down toward the sea. And he"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "just started screaming, \"Get in."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "Something bad is coming.\" And Valdier"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "smelled sulfur the whole way home. A"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "month later, a device Manuel built blew"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "up in his backyard. A few days before he"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "left home, Manuel told someone, \"I'm"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "going to watch a definitive experiment."}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "After that, I'll tell you if I believe"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "or not.\" On Friday, a neighbor walked"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "into Manuel's yard and found the two of"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "them hammering a lead pipe flat. He"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "asked what that was for. They didn't"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "answer. He asked again, \"We are creating"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "something that will prevent the end of"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "the world in 1968 when the great cyclone"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "will devastate a large part of our"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "planet.\" And they said, \"Nothing else.\""}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "4 days later, Manuel's wife watched them"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "cut masks out of that pipe. He told her"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "they were for work. That night, he woke"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "her up. He told her he and Miguel had to"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "go to S. Paulo in the morning for a used"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "car and some parts for the shop. So,"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "they wrapped a bunch of cash and paper,"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "and a friend drove them to the bus"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "station, and Elkio met them there to see"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "them off. The bus they boarded went to"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "Nitaroy. They stepped off the bus at"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "2:00 in the afternoon in the rain"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "[music] and walked straight to an"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "electronic shop. The owner knew them."}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "They asked him for parts he didn't carry"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "and they knew he didn't carry them. They"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "invited him to come to Sa Paulo but he"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "declined so they left. Around the corner"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "they bought two raincoats and walked"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "[music] back out into the rain without"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "putting them on. The clerk said they"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "were nervous. 10 minutes earlier at the"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "other shop they were calm. At a quart 3"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "they walked into a bar at the foot of"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "the hill and asked for a bottle of"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "mineral water cold. Miguel kept looking"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "at his watch. They waited for the"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "deposit slip so they can bring the"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "bottle back for a refund. Then they"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "started up the [music] hill in the rain."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "The note said be in place by 4:30."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "Nobody saw them alive again. 4 days"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "later, their bodies were sent to the"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "morg, but the morg was already busy."}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "The morg had a murdered detective on the"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "table. The detective got the doctor."}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "Miguel Manuel got an assistant. [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "He cut out their organs and set them"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "aside for testing. Except the morg had"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "no chemicals to run the tests. By the"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "time a reporter went looking a few days"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "later, the organs had been thrown out. A"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "toxicology report came out anyway. Years"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "later, the cop who ran the case admitted"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "on camera that he couldn't fight the"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "administration, and on the autopsy"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "itself, the first examiner's name was"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "scratched off and another name was"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "written over it. The official cause of"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "death came back as unknown. The Thursday"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "before the kite kid found them, another"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "kid was up on that hill hunting birds."}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "He saw the two men lying there and ran"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "to the house of a cop who lived nearby."}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "But the cop wasn't interested."}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "The police report blamed the capsules"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "washed down with mineral water, but"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "nobody could prove it and there was"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "nothing left to test. So they brought in"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "Elkio. He was the last one to see them"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "off. Elio said, \"When I said goodbye to"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "them, I was sure they were going to S."}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "Paulo. After that day, I know nothing.\""}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "Then a lawyer he said he never met filed"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "papers and the police let him go. 2 days"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "later, he showed them an auto parts"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "receipt from Campos for the afternoon"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "they died. The neighbors saw him out"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "front working on his car. Valdier said"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "Elkio ran that night on the beach. Elko"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "said it was the other way around that"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "Valdier was in charge. But Elko did"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "explain one thing. The note in code were"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "part numbers for TD tubes. They wrote"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "them down and asked Miguel and Manuel to"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "bring the tubes back, but he had nothing"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "to say about the other notes. Police"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "timed the walk from the bus station to"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "the bar. There were 20 minutes they"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "couldn't account for. That route passed"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "two spiritous centers."}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "The men left home with enough money to"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "buy a car, but the police said they"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "found about $70. Around 7 on the night"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "the men climbed the hill, a woman drove"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "past it with her three kids in the car."}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "her seven-year-old pointed up. Above the"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "hilltop hung a bright orange oval inside"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "a ring of fire, shooting blue light in"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "every direction and moving up and down."}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "They watched it for 4 minutes. Then she"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "drove home and told her husband, and he"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "drove back up the road to look. Whatever"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "it was, it was gone."}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "Miguel and Manuel weren't alone up"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "there. Somebody cut those palm leaves."}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "Somebody dropped that handkerchief. They"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "were at the place by 4:30. They took off"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "the watch and the ring. They swallowed"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "the capsules. They picked up the masks."}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "They waited for the signal."}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "In 1980, a scientist flew in from"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "California and climbed the hill. He"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "wanted to see the spot. 14 years had"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "gone by. The grass never grew back."}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "Gather out. This happened September"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "1988. A boy hunting birds with a"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "slingshot on the southern edge of Sa"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "Paulo saw vultures over the reservoir,"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "about 20 of them fighting over something"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "in the mud on the far bank. He worked"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "his way around the water to see what"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "they had. He figured it was a dog. It"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "was a man [music] in his underwear, face"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "down in the mud and dead."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "Most of his face was gone. Round holes"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "were cut into his armpits, his belly,"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "and his groin. and every edge was clean."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "There was no sign that he fought anyone."}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "The boy ran for the village. Nobody in"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "Sa Paulo had a name for what he found."}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "Researchers in the American West did."}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "They saw it hundreds of times with"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "cattle, but now it's [music] happening"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "to people."}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "Corpses turn up on those banks all the"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "time. The reservoirs south of Sa Paulo"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "is where the death squads dumped their"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "bodies. And the police who walked in"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "that morning expected another one and"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "another morning of paperwork. They"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "didn't get one. Nobody shot this man."}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "Nobody tied him up. There wasn't a rope"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "mark on him or a bruise on his wrists."}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "And nothing about him looked like he was"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "in a fight. But both his eyes were gone."}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "Part of his left ear was gone. And the"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "lips were gone. And when they opened his"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "mouth, the tongue was gone, too. The"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "skin on the lower half of his face was"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "cut away in one sheet. The cut was so"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "straight it looked like something a"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "razor blade would do. The crime scene"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "expert wrote the only thing he was sure"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "of. No signs of violence. The round"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "holes went deeper. Two under the arms,"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "one where the navl used to be and one at"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "the left groin and one between two toes."}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "None of them was bigger than a coin."}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "The body was across the water from the"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "road, so the police called the fire"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "brigade to help float him over. They"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "floated the body back on a tarp"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "stretched between two boards. On the"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "near bank, the police took seven photos"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "and sent them to the morg. Then they"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "found his clothes."}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "They were in a small case hidden in the"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "brush a few yards from where the boat"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "launched. Pants, shirt, shoes, and a"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "fishing bag with a packed lunch still in"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "it. The kind of thing you leave behind"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "when you're coming right back. Nobody"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "dumped this man. They came here alive,"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "stripped his shorts, hid his things, and"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "swam 80 m across the reservoir to fish"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "the quiet side. You could walk around"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "the arm of the water to that bank, but"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "it took an hour through brush, so nobody"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "did. That was the point."}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "The police had no name for this guy."}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "They filed him as an unknown white male,"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "about 40, and buried him in a popper's"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "grave. It was weeks before a family came"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "looking and put a name on the file. Wim."}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "He was 53. He lived across the city and"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "he fished that spot for years. He'd left"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "on a Sunday morning with his gear and"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "told nobody where he'd never had to. By"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "Monday, his family was asking around. By"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "Thursday, a boy with a slingshot found"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "him. He died on that bank alone with"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "nobody to hear him. And when the"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "coroners opened him up, they found why"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "he was so quiet. Every organ in his"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "abdomen was gone. and the only way in"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "was a hole the size of a bottle cap."}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "Two coroners signed the report. The lab"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "took 20 ml of his blood and ran it for"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "poison, drugs, anything that could"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "explain a man lying still while this"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "happened to him. It came back clean. The"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "abdominal cavity was empty. stomach,"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "intestines, everything [music] below the"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "ribs, taken out through a 3 cm hole"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "where the navl [music] used to be. They"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "measured the hole. A human stomach"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "doesn't fit through it. [music] They"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "wrote that the cuts came from a cutting"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "instrument. And for how the organs left"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "the body, they wrote down the [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "only word that fit, aspiration."}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "Something put an instrument through that"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "hole and sucked them out. The report"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "went further. The wound showed vital"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "reaction, which is the coroner's way of"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "saying [music] the tissue was alive when"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "it was cut. It bled the way living"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "tissue bleeds. And the skin around every"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "cut swelled the way living skin swells."}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "[music] The coroners used the word"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "torture. We was awake for at least part"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "of this. And he didn't fight it. Not a"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "mark on him said that he tried."}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "Something [music]"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "held him still while it worked. It"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "didn't hold his heart still, though."}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "[music] The coroners listed veagal"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "inhibition as the cause of death. Trauma"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "so extreme that the nerve running from"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "the brain to the heart shut the heart"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "[music] down. The homicide squad got the"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "report and called it a heinous crime,"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "which is the only thing in the file that"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "sounds like a cop talking. Then they"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "sent four questions back to the morg."}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "What instrument did this? What made"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "those dark stains around every wound?"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "Could animals have done any of it?"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "[music] And has the state's medical"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "examiner ever seen anything like this"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "before? Well, the corners answered that"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "first question in one sentence. We know"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "of no machine with the capacity to do"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "this. They never answered the second or"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "third [music] questions. Not in file,"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "not in print, not anywhere. But they"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "answered the last one in four words."}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "Yes, several similar cases."}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "Then the file went into a drawer under"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "unknown where [music] a case with no"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "name and no suspect goes. And it stayed"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "there for 5 years."}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:20", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": ">> It finally came out because a crime"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "scene technician, retired by then, still"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "had the seven photos. He showed them to"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "a cousin, a dermatologist, [music] and"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "the dermatologist showed them to a"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "friend. And Carnosion Zapata Garcia, she"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "was a UFO researcher. She said a chill"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "went through her whole body the moment"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "she had those photos in her hands. She"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "went over them with a magnifying [music]"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "glass and wrote down everything she saw."}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "By the second photo, she knew where"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "she'd seen [music] this before. Not on a"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "man, on cattle. Thousands of them across"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "the American West over 20 years. [music]"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "The same missing tongue and eyes. The"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "same holes with the same clean edges."}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "The same organs gone through an opening"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "too small to pass those organs. No"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "tracks around the carcass. No blood in"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "the grass. And the rest of the herd"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "refused to [music] go near that spot for"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "months. Nobody caught anyone near those"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "animals. Not ever. Garcia tracked down"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "the district prosecutor. [music]"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "He remembered the body. She sent him a"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "stack of cattle files and he called her"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "back the next morning, a Saturday,"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "because he read all of it overnight and"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "wanted to keep going. It took him two"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "[music] months to find the police file"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "cuz it was buried under a dead man with"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "no name. When he finally found it, he"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "offered to dig Wim up. Sounds fine. When"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "she got to the cemetery, the grave was"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "already empty. The family got there"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "first and moved him. In September 1993,"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "5 years to the [music] month, she"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "published everything. the photos, the"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "report, the four questions, and the two"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "answers. She left the names blank. The"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "first documented [music]"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "human mutilation on record. The same"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "thing that took the cattle took a"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "fisherman. And the case went around the"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "world."}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "A tabloid put the seven photos on the"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "front page under the headline secret"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "photos. and a television host announced"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "the real name of the reservoir on live"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "TV like it was a clue and for 9 years"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "that was the only new fact that anybody"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "turned up. Garcia wrote a second article"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "a year after the first and the title was"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "the whole story. The discussion"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "continues. She ended the first one with"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "a question and she never took it back."}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "They've dissected our animals for"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "decades. Wouldn't it be natural for them"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "to start on us? In 2002, the same"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "magazine printed a new article on the"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "case. Its writers went out to the bank"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "three times. They filled in the blanks."}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "They found a neighbor, 83 years old, who"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "still remembered the morning the boat"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "went out and the boy who ran for help."}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "Then they took back everything [music]"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "the first article said. They called"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "Garcia before it went to press and she"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "said she was done talking about it and"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "then she hung up."}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "Went fishing on a Sunday. He hid his"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "clothes so he can change back into them"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "and he packed a lunch he never ate. He"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "picked a quiet bank because nothing"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "bothered him there. Then something did."}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "Then it left him in the mud with his"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "eyes gone and his belly empty and not a"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "mark on him that said he tried. The"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "writers found the fire brigade sergeant,"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "too, the one who rode waq across the"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "water on a tarp. 14 years on, he could"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "still see the boat, the neighbor who"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "lent it and the weight of the man under"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "the canvas. And he had one more thing to"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "tell them. And in 14 years, nobody"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "asked. 10 days after that morning, the"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "same sergeant got another call. Same"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "reservoir system, but a different part"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "of it, but a different body. He said it"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "in three words. Exactly the same. Nobody"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "wrote an article about that one."}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "Thank you so much for hanging out today."}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "My name is AJ. This is the Y Files, and"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "that was a campfire story. No debunking,"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "no analysis, just a creepy story to"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "scare you and the kids. And that one is"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "true and [music] unsolved. 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A secret code inside"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "the Bible [music and singing] said I"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "would."}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranormal [music]"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "fun as well as music singing like I"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "should."}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "But then another [music] conspiracy"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "theory becomes the truth my friends"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "and it never [music] ends."}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "I feel the [music] crab cat. I got stuck"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "inside home with MK out of being only"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "twoear. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Today I'm talking with Mitch Horowitz."}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "When Mitch was a kid in Queens, he got"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "an astrology scroll from a vending"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "machine. Every adult around him said it"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "was nonsense."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> No, every adult said it was nonsense."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "Uh, adults also said the moon landing"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "was real. So,"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": ">> he spent the 50 years since taking that"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "scroll seriously. He became a highly"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "respected editor at Penguin Random House"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "and won a pen award for writing the"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "history of the occult in America. Today"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "we're covering how occult Ideas got into"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "Ronald Reagan's speeches, Gandhi's"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "philosophy, and the dollar bill in your"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "wallet. I promise it's way weirder than"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "that. Plus, his new book, Esoterica, and"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "its formulas for tearing down your false"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "self."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> Oh, I tore down my false self once."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "Underneath was another me. Handsomemer,"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "bigger muscles, better credit. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "missed that guy."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> He also made a calm, friendly case that"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "I might be a left-hand path Satanist."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "That one caught me by surprise. Stick"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "around after the episode. I'll pop back"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "in and untangle the conversation. And"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "it's very tangled. Let's go down to the"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "basement."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "Morowitz, welcome to the basement."}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> Thank you, my man. Great to be here."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> I'm excited. I am excited. Um, before we"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "get started, why is the occult guy on a"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "Zoom with the Hensen family? Oh,"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "I was doing a fundraiser for the"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Philosophical Research Society and they"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "are an organization dedicated to"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "studying the esoteric that was founded"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "by the great occult scholar Manley P."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Hall. And I was told that a couple of"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "members of the Henen family were"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "interested both in supporting the center"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "and in my work and would I do some"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "sessions with them to talk over a cult"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "history and esoterica. I was delighted"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "course I'm a gym fan going back to"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "diapers and remaining uh today and I was"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "delighted to talk to them and they are"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "carrying the family flame."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> Wow. I I thought I heard you talking"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "about never- ending stories. One of your"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "favorites."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> Oh, tremendously so. Um Henson has such"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "an incredible ability to capture the"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "mythical in a way that entrances young"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "kids and adults alike. And at age 60,"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "I'm still finding folds within his work."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "I just love the man."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> Yeah. You could watch Dark Crystal. I"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "think it came out in 79 and you still"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "see things in it."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:27", "text": ">> You still see things."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> He was such a genius."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> He worked so hard. And not only was"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "there technical excellence in everything"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "he did, but"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:39", "text": ">> he finds the inner meaning of myth and"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "he tells the story as an outer story,"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "but you capture all the esoteric lessons"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "and elements within Jim's work. I need"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "to revisit it now that I'm familiar with"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "yours because I I know I'm going to find"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "new stuff in there. Um,"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "so the the occult, excuse me, this this"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "is how I work. I just"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": ">> The occult, does it start with the"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Silver Moon Diner or does it start in"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "Mrs. Shapiro Sunday school class?"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": ">> Probably it starts with Mrs. Shapiro's"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "Sunday school class in Belrose, Queens."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> I remember Mrs. Shapiro telling us, uh,"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "Halloween, that's all a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "nonsense. And I started thinking, no,"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "that's not really true. This is a"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "holiday with roots that go as as deep as"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "our own Abrahamic traditions, maybe"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "deeper. And my job as a kid, age eight"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "or nine, was to listen to people say"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "Halloween is nonsense. Was to listen to"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "people say, \"Oh, newspaper astrology,"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "that's all bogus.\" Was to listen to"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "people say, \"Don't pay attention to the"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "robed guru on MV Griffin.\" and ask why"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "why and I wanted to peel back the layers"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "and discover the history of these"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "things. Look, newspaper astrology, just"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "to take an example, it's an expression"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "of possibly the oldest religious"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "retention on earth. It goes back to the"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "third millennia BC, ancient Mesopotamia."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "Our western astrology is not exactly"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "like the astrology being dealt with by"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "our primeval ancestors. But there are"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "some very serious similarities"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "symbolically, mechanically, in terms of"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "meaning. And I wanted to get at all that"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "a cynic will tell you, for example, oh,"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "astrology has lasted so long just"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "because humanity is a bunch of suckers."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "That's ridiculous. Practices from the"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "ancient world have been discontinued by"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "the thousands. The reason we in the"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "Western world retain a version of"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "astrology is because it's pretty damned"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "accurate."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": ">> You still read Sally Brmpton?"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:53", "text": ">> I love Sally Brmpton. And with apologies"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "to Mrs. Shapiro, who taught me a lot and"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "also had a habit of banging me on the"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "head with her ring when I didn't get my"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Hebrew letters correct, which was not"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "infrequent. Um, being challenged that"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "way at a young age when I had a taste"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "for the esoteric was in its way very"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "refining. It put me on my path."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": ">> What was it about the story about the"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "goat and a zazil that"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:13", "text": ">> oh"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> interested you?"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": ">> You know, it's interesting. You you you"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "find within the Abrahamic faiths a huge"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "amount of material that we would label a"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "cult. stories of giants and spiritual"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "messengers and things that we today call"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "demons, a term that we're conditioned to"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "be frightened of. Azazelle being one of"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "them to whom the Hebrews would make"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "sacrifices in the desert. And what"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "you'll find if you turn back the pages"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "of scripture is a catalog of occult and"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "esoteric topics. Not just"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "straightforward monotheism, although"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "that's part of it, but you find"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "monotheism coexisting with a world of"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "myth and wonder that would be at home in"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "any Jim Henson story. And for that"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "matter, not all ancient Jews themselves"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "were monotheistic. There were many Jews"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "living in that region of the world who"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "practiced polytheism. We know this"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "because they adopted names of gods other"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "than what we call Yahweh or Jehovah. And"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "eventually Judaism developed into a"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "faith of monotheism. But at its most"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "primeval roots that wasn't the case. So"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "if you want to find the basis for the"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "occult, look at our most ancient"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "traditions, the ones that we stand on."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> I love the um the theory that that Moses"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "could have been Aquonatan. Have you"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "heard that one?"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": ">> Yes. Oh, of course. And Sigman Freud of"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "all people, the great rationalist, took"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "that very seriously. He in his very last"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "book Moses and Monotheism uh propounded"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "on that theory and um people would be"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "surprised if they turn back the pages of"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "Freud. He's supposed to be a great"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "rationalist and he was a great"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "rationalist. But what we as a culture"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "forget is that rationalism is not"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "conclusion. It's process. Rationalism is"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "methodological replication. So in Freud,"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "the great rationalist, you will find a"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "man who was deeply interested in dream"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, and even"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "delayed the publication of some of his"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "some of his papers on these subjects to"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "avoid public opinion fallout. Get"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "yourself a copy of the collected works"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "of Freud. You'll find several deeply"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "heartfelt and intellectually rigorous"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "papers on occult topics. that stuff was"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "left out of my psychology courses in"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "school that his interest in sigh"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": ">> why do you think why do you think that"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "was done why keep that from us"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:44", "text": ">> well Freud's biographer an Englishman"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "named Ernest Jones was very concerned"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "that Freud's interest in parasychology"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "would prove compromising to his efforts"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "to shape psychoanalysis into a"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "recognized medical science so he had a"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "hand in the early compilation of Freud's"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "papers. He had a decisive hand in our"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "understanding of Freud as a biography,"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "but he didn't fully represent Freud the"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "man. And our notion of psychoanalytic"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "history is too simplistic. We see Jung"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "as the occult one and Freud as the"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "materialist one. It wasn't true at all."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "Jung was every bit an empiricist and"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "Freud was every bit interested in the"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "esoteric, extending to alternate"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "histories of Moses, extending to a a a"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "very rigorously worked through theory of"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "clairvoyance passing in between the"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "psychoanalyst"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "and the patient. And some of this"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "material, as I mentioned, was withheld"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "from publication until after Freud's"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "death. It does all now appear in the"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "collected works of Freud, but we tend to"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "think in categories rather than content."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "And we think of Freud in the materialist"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "category. So, we tend not to see what's"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "in front of our own eyes."}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": ">> When you think about your medical"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "history, you assume somebody somewhere"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "has the whole picture. But that's not"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "usually how it works. 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Tell"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "them the basement sent you."}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": ">> Yeah, that's interesting that you bring"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "that up. is so much power goes into the"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "hands of the biographer, the translator,"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "whether it's ancient epic poems or or"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "just tremendous"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> psychoanalysis, they have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "power."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": ">> In fact, I often caution people, you"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "show me a traditionalist and I'll show"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "you a modernist who's just not aware of"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "it. Because the wisdom literature that"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "reaches us today, it's almost always"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "translations of translations of"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "translations written in an original"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "language that most of us cannot"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "decipher. And in fact, in most cases, we"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "don't even have the originals, even"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "extending to the Renaissance, which in"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "terms of the arc of human history was"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "five minutes ago. We're in a very"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "disadvantageous position in terms of"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "understanding what the ancients were"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "thinking about. We have been reached by"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "threads. We have been reached by"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "fragments. So, people need to be very"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "careful about where they draw the line"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "between what's traditional, what's the"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "real thing versus what are modern"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "novelties. More often than we know,"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "we're dealing with modern novelties"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": ">> and the translation of the translation."}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "That's really a tradition of the"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "esoteric anyway, isn't it?"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": ">> It's it's it's a tradition of the whole"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "human story to know ourselves and so"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "much of the literature that reaches us,"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "whether it's scriptural, whether it's"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "hermetic, which is the philosophy that"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "was written down in the final stages of"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "ancient Egypt. It's passed through so"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "many hands of a tablet right behind me"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "there. Oh, brilliant, brilliant."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": ">> As above, so below."}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> As above, so below. Uh, these"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "works of hallowed wisdom literature have"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "passed through so many centuries and in"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "some cases millennia of translation that"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "we really don't have a full reckoning of"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "what's gotten inserted along the way"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "because translators build upon what is"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "given to them. They sometimes represent"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "different power centers, different"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "faiths, different schools, and they will"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "insert sympathetic material. So, we have"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "to tread very carefully before declaring"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "what is the truth with a capital T."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": ">> Isn't that rule 101?"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:48", "text": ">> Is it?"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": ">> Is it?"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": ">> It's in there."}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:52", "text": ">> Ask constantly, how do I know that's"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "true?"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:59", "text": ">> Yes. And my God, let that be your sword"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "and shield through life. How do I know"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "that's true? We live in a culture of I"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "heard it somewhere and peel back just"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "one layer on that and you'll start to"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "ask really vital questions. I mean, my"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "god, I've had incidences happen in my"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "own apartment building and people can't"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "agree the next day on what transpired,"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "much less what transpired millennia ago."}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": ">> We really just have to keep asking"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "ourselves, how do I know that's true?"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "What's the source of that quote? And"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "this is true in mainstream history as"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "well. I'll come upon a quote by Thomas"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "Edison, for example. I'll look for the"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "quote, it doesn't exist. Y"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": ">> I'll look for a quote by Arthur Conan"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "Doyle. It doesn't exist. Someone made it"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "up. Someone repeated it. Happens with"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "William James. These are all modernist"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "figures."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": ">> These are these are people who who wrote"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "and and spoke in English. and and and"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "and my god, you know, they were living"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "and functioning 150 years ago."}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": ">> You go through Bartletts and half of"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "that's they didn't say that"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": ">> baloney, right?"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": ">> And one has to keep asking that"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "question. How do I know that's true? And"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "in the current spiritual culture, I'm"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "always telling people, verify things,"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "not just in some rhetorical way. When"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "someone tells you, yes, verify things,"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "and when you agree with me, come back"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "and we'll get along just fine. Verify."}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "It falls to every generation of seekers"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "to verify things for themselves. Yes,"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "depend upon the best sources that we"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "have available, but don't stop there and"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "keep peeling back that onion."}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": ">> So, Silver Moon, paint the picture."}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "Where was the Silver Moon Diner in"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "Queens?"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:41", "text": ">> Oh, that was uh in Eastern Queens. Okay."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "in the town of Belrose where I grew up"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "uh on Union Turnpike just before it"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": ">> transforms magically into Marcus Avenue."}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "Yes. When you hit"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:50", "text": ">> Long Island,"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": ">> I know it very well."}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": ">> Right. The invisible line of demarcation"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": ">> this is Nassau County. That's fact."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> Right. And I grew up in that"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "neighborhood in eastern Queens. Subways"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "don't go there."}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:08", "text": ">> Nope. way out uh in the I suppose as as"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "as far out east as you can go and still"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "be in New York City. And that was the"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "family gathering spot. That was the"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "neighborhood gathering spot. And this"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "was the 1970s. And so the real magic was"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "at the at the lobby entrance where you"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "would find the machine where you could"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "insert a dime and get an astrology"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "scroll or have your bio- rhythm read."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": ">> Oh, that's right. You put your finger on"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "the thing. Yeah. They didn't have a Zar"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "machine, but all but all but you know,"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "they had the computer dating machine. I"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "remember you could take the form, fill"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "out, you know, what you're comfortable"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "with, what you like, and meet your meet"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "your perfect mate. Probably no better or"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "worse than anything we do today. And uh"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "for me, it was just magic. That's where"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "I wanted to hang out. When I got my"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "little dime star scroll at the Silver"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "Moon Diner and I saw these magical signs"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "and sigils of Aquarius and Mercury and"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "the sun and I wanted to know where did"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "this come from and I learned that you as"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "I mentioned these are some of the oldest"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "religious retentions on earth. And just"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "think of it our primeval ancestors in"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "Mesopotamia their system was different."}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "The night sky looks different because"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "the earth wobbles on its axis. But I"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "tell you, some of those signs and"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "symbols mean the same thing to us today"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": ">> in the 21st century as it did to our"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "ancient ancestry in Mesopotamia. That's"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "extraordinary. That's sacred language."}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": ">> And it's remarkable to me that you can"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "go through the Western world, ask anyone"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "you meet, what's your sun sign? And not"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "only will they know, but they'll be able"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "to tell you something about it. Whether"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "they profess belief or not, I fall to my"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "knees in front of that. That's a"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "tradition that extends back thousands of"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": ">> Even if we are skeptical about"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "astrology, we just can't help ourselves."}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "It's it's it's wired into us."}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:02", "text": ">> I'll tell you something funny. Uh"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "there's an esoteric scholar, Richard"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "Smolley, who's been an enormous"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "influence on me. Several years ago, he"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "and I were doing a dialogue over Zoom,"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "and I said to him, \"Richard, why has"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "astrology remained popular after all"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "these millennia and centuries?\" And he"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "paused and said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "because it's pretty accurate.\""}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:25", "text": ">> Brilliant."}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": ">> And I stand by that. And there's no way"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "to know it's accurate unless one studies"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "it. And of course, the cynics who are"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "ready to say, \"Nonsense. I don't expect"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "them to have studied it.\" But here's"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "what the cynics don't know. the experts"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "upon whom they are relying they haven't"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "studied it either. This is one of these"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "I heard it somewhere concepts that we"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "call rational because we misunderstand"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "rational as endpoint versus process."}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "It's an art. Is it always accurate?"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "Certainly not. Are there great"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "differences between the east and the"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "west? There are. And those mechanical"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "differences warrant understanding. But"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "as a thumbnail typology of personality,"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "it's remarkable. That's why it's lasted."}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "It's the last place that journalists"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "will look. It's the last place that"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "social scientists will look."}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "Every Halloween when I start to get the"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "phone calls about the article, why is"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "astrology still so popular? Why is tarot"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "still so popular? The answer that"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "they're always fishing for is economic"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "uncertainty."}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "Uncertainty about the future of the"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "world. as if there's ever been a"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "generation that hasn't experienced that."}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "The last place they'll look and the"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "place that I insist upon looking among"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "others is Verity."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "you hit on something that it's in your"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "book I want to ask you about. Before we"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "do that, didn't your grandfather have an"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "opinion about what was on your scroll?"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "my grandfather who is the very practical"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "manager of a flower shop in Rockefeller"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "Center."}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:04", "text": ">> It's good honest work."}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": ">> Yeah, it's good honest work. It's good"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "honest work. And he worked hard and he"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "earned his retirement in Florida. That"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "was the dream and he earned it. I was"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "reading from my Star Scroll and he said,"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "\"Does it also say you're a sucker?\""}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": ">> Perfect."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:23", "text": ">> And I understand. I understand. But kids"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "have to rebel. And I said, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "accepting that just because an adult"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "figure says it. In fact, because an"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "adult figure says it, I'm going to push"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "and probe. And I had funny experiences"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "as a kid taking out books of astrology"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "and Pennsylvania Dutch folklore from the"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "Belrose public library. Remarkable"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "experiences. I remember when I was a"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "kid, I took out one book in particular"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "of Pennsylvania Dutch folklore and the"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "center fold of the book was a pentagram"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "and it had these little phrases dotted"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "around it. Pennsylvania Dutch tradition"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "and you're supposed to close your eyes,"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "hover a pin over it and bring the pin"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "down on your fortune. Well, I did this."}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "I brought the pin down and it said a"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "letter. You will receive a letter. I was"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "age nine. I didn't get many letters. The"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "next day, a letter arrived and it was an"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "overdue book notice from the public"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "library."}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:21", "text": ">> That's how it works. Synchronicities."}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": ">> It it it gave me pause at age nine. I"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "still have pause today. Um but you get"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "little green lights like that and it"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "deepens your curiosity."}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:32", "text": ">> I love it. So, you just said that every"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "generation has these same um anxieties."}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "In your book, I think you mentioned that"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "every generation feels like they're on"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "the precipice"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:42", "text": ">> always. But we're different because we"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "have a sense that we're in the matrix."}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:48", "text": ">> Yeah. It seems to me I I I I"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": ">> I encourage people to be very careful"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "with apocalyptic talk because every"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "generation feels that it's living on the"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "brink. And if you look at our generation"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "with all our crises and so forth,"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": ">> my god, compared to what people went"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "through, say in World War I, we're not"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "living in that world at this present"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "juncture. And we have to be very"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "thoughtful and we have to be very"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "careful about these things because every"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "generation feels like it is just poised"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "on a cliff's edge. You'll find that"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "throughout religious history."}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "Abrahamic religions, Judaism,"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "Christianity, Islam, they're messianic"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "traditions. And we have almost"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "programmed into us this messianic notion"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "that everything's going to come to an"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "end and then there'll be an aftermath."}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "We even have a secular religion around"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "that called Marxism."}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": ">> Sure. which is an Abrahamic religion"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "without God. It's a materialist faith"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "that the change agent will be the"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "working class and then afterwards will"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "come something that someone might call"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "nirvana or or heaven or the afterlife"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "and that we call revolution. Whatever"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "comes after it, we don't know, but we're"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "sure that there is this turning point."}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "Anyway, we who live in the west and come"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "from the Abrahamic traditions, we have"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "this kind of messianic or apocalyptic"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "worldview baked into us. Someday it will"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "presumably occur. But I ask people to"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "take it easy with that point of view"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "because every generation occupies it."}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "Our generation has something different"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "going on which I'm very interested in."}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "And that is this notion that we're"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "living in an airsat reality. And I think"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "there's something to that because of how"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "universally felt it is. It surpasses"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "culture. Now dig this. Several years ago"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "the Barbie movie came out. My reckoning"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "is that roughly the first 20 minutes of"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "that movie is the finest ever"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "popularization of Gnostic themes. The"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "idea that we're living under a false sun"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "or a false god."}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:48", "text": ">> Yes. I hadn't considered that, but yes."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:49", "text": ">> Barbie starts thinking about her own"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "death. Yes."}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": ">> And then she realizes, I'm not really"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "here at all. I'm not living in a real"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "world. This is artifice. And so she"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "begins her journey"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:59", "text": ">> beyond the veil."}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": ">> Beyond the veil. Yes. Now, we've had"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "wonderful movies like that before."}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "Matrix, Truman Show, but this was"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "different. That movie was a hit"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "worldwide. It was a hit in Saudi Arabia."}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "It was a hit in China. Two radically"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "different societies. Saudi is a"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "religiously conservative society. China"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "is an officially atheistic society. And"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "everybody got it. Everybody got it."}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "There are people around the world today"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "who don't get Star Wars. We think those"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "themes are universal. They're not. If"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "one really speaks globally, there are"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "Chinese audiences among whom Star Wars"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "has tested poorly. They're asking"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "questions. Does, you know, why does this"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "man live with an ape? And so forth and"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "so on. It doesn't translate always."}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "Barbie, this Gnostic themed movie about"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "a young woman who starts contemplating"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "mortality and realizes, I'm not even"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "living a real existence. It spoke to"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "people around the world. There's a scent"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "trail of some universal truth there. And"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "I think that we as a global culture, if"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "we agree on nothing else, we agree that"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "something doesn't feel quite right. We"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "feel like we're living in this airsat's"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "reality."}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:11", "text": ">> And as a historian, other generations"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "didn't feel this."}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": ">> I can't say other generations globally"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "felt this. Of course, people didn't"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "necessarily feel things globally at all"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "because we weren't an interconnected"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "world. But here we are today. We're an"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "interconnected world. We have wildly"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "different perceptions of reality. First,"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "I'm popular in China, then I'm censored"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "in China, and these things shift with"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "the winds. But I'd be hardressed to find"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "somebody who didn't encounter media like"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "The Matrix or Truman Show or Barbie and"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "say, \"Oh, yeah, I get it. I relate to"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "that. There's a reason for that. There's"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "something archetypal there.\""}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:50", "text": ">> Do you think there's something to that?"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "Do you subscribe? You do."}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": ">> I do. I do."}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": ">> I'm haunted by the idea. I I couldn't"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "possibly venture specifics. I'm haunted"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "by simulation theory. If one reads um"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "Nick Bosro's original paper on"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "simulation theory,"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:08", "text": ">> why haunted? Why? What's wrong? Why not?"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:12", "text": ">> Because the logic is impeccable. And"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "it's possible that we are made up of"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "dots and dashes rather than DNA. And"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "it's all programming in a certain sense"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "or coding at the end of the day. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "haunted by the possibility that the"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "reason whynosticism as a faith has"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "really come roaring back into our world"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "and is probably the most popular of all"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "the we'll say esoteric spiritual"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "traditions right now in the 21st century"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "is we all relate to it. We all have a"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "feeling that we're not living as we"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "ought to be living. And I think that"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "that's absolutely correct. Take as an"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "example around the world today. Everyone"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "agrees that war is terrible. There"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "should never be another war. It solves"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "nothing. And yet we keep having them. We"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "keep having them. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:03", "text": ">> And we don't live according to our own"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "professed values. We sit in a chair."}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:08", "text": ">> We read the daqing. We read the"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "biatitudes. We read the dharmapata."}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "Right on. That's the way to live. I get"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "it. We get up from the chair. Everything"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "is lost. Everything is lost. There is a"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "chasm between conviction and conduct and"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "it is global. We're broken. We're broken"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "as a human community. If we weren't"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "broken,"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "Confucious would be enough to save us."}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "Christ would be enough to save us."}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "Nietze would be enough to save us."}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "Marcus Aurelius would be enough to save"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "us. We have it"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:41", "text": ">> and we all agree with it and we don't"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "live by it. It does suggest that there's"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "a brokenness in human nature that's very"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "real. I always have three books on my"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "nightstand. One is Marcus Aurelius, one"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "is the Bible, and one is whatever sci-fi"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "I happen to be reading. But but that's"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "absolutely true. The reason I asked"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "about previous generations is we talk"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "about the Gnostic texts come up all the"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "time on this show."}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:04", "text": ">> So the Apocryphon"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "if the book of Philip,"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:07", "text": ">> book of Enoch, I mean these are ancient"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "texts. Did they know something"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:13", "text": ">> then that now we're just all learning as"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "a species?"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "I think that the Gnostics who like the"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "hermeticists existed in in late"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "antiquity, they were part of a world"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "that was just transforming into dominant"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "monotheism"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "and they were resisting"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "monotheism because for them it didn't"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "cover the basis of man's predicament."}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "The sin and salvation model was"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "insufficient. They sensed something that"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "we sense about this terrible, terrible"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "gap between conviction and conduct. And"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "the Gnostics came to the conclusion we"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "are living under a false god in a false"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "world with false perceptions. And that's"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "why things never seem to get better. And"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "they too harbored some of the"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "apocalyptic thinking which I think is"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "intrinsic to our western or Abrahamic"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "point of view."}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:12", "text": ">> I hang on. And I think it's universal."}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "There was a Japanese"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": ">> author who said, \"Every one of us deep"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "down in our hearts is waiting for the"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "end of the world.\""}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:22", "text": ">> Well, I think there's truth to that"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "because we are also so frustrated with"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "the routine sameness of our lives. I"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "remember when Y2K was popular as a"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "subject, people would talk about it and"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "I would sense that"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:39", "text": ">> they were enjoying it."}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": ">> Yes. It was this universal snow day and"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "I would say, \"Well, wait a minute. You"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "don't really want to see supply lines"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "get disrupted. You don't really want to"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "see it tough to refill baby formula and"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "prescriptions and diapers. None of us"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "want to see that.\" And their attitude"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "was always, \"Yeah, but we're so hungry"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "to exit routine.\" And I really"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "understand that. I feel the desperate."}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": ">> Fort Knox, everybody's heard of it."}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "Supposedly, it holds over 400,000 tons"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "of US gold. But the thing is, the last"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "full independent audit of that vault"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "happened in 1953."}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "Since then, we've gotten photo ops,"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "supervised walkthroughs, and a whole lot"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "of trust us, never any outside auditors,"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "no full inventory count, or no way for"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "anybody outside government to actually"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "verify what's down there. That's not a"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "conspiracy theory. Nobody's checked. 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It appeals to"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "people because it seems like it's an"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "exit from this grinding ordinariness"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "that that we're very often unhappy in."}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:47", "text": ">> I love a disaster movie. I love a"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "apocalyptic movie. I think um it makes"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "us feel like we're part of a grand"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "opera."}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Wouldn't you rather go out with an"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "asteroid impact than just old and sick?"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": ">> I see it. Look, I see it right here in"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "Vegas, a town that I love, you know."}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:05", "text": ">> Um, there's Excalibur, there's Luxor,"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "there's Mandalay Bay. And I like it. I"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "like it because people are so eager to"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "escape wrote and routine life. And not"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "everybody is going to visit Luxor and"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "not everybody's going to visit Middle"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "Europe. And not everybody can afford to."}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "And the snobs. You know, there's a"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "recreation of it. And people from all"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "over love it. But it also speaks to the"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "hunger that we feel to get away from"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "four square existence"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:36", "text": ">> and so much of the lowgrade depression"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "and anxiety that we feel, the addictions"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:41", "text": ">> is a response to that. And so we grock"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "sometimes to apocalism because if"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "nothing else, it's an exit ramp."}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": ">> Yeah. I'm glad that you don't hate on"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "Las Vegas like so many people do."}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:50", "text": ">> I love it. Me too."}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:53", "text": ">> I think it's just wonderful. the"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "snobs. I I look at these things and I'm"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "enchanted. We have a view from our hotel"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "at Mandalay Bay of Luxor. I've been to"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "Luxor going back to Luxor in a year. I"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "love Egypt and I love the Egyptian"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "people. But"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:05", "text": ">> and it's kitsy but it's great."}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:08", "text": ">> And there's a Nathan's in Luxor by the"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "way. So"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:11", "text": ">> which one? The Egyptian or the"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:13", "text": ">> Egyptian? I've been I've been to"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "McDonald's in the Egyptian Luxor and"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "it's not bad. Let me recommend it. Yes."}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "Um, there's a great scene in your book"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "of at the Belrose Jewish Center where"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "your rabbi shows up wearing a toupe."}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:26", "text": ">> Can you tell us what happened with your"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "sister?"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:29", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:32", "text": ">> I dig this story. I've told it several"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "times. I tell it because I don't want"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "people to feel hemmed in by their"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "subcultures."}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:39", "text": ">> Mhm. Um, back in the good old days when"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:41", "text": "I was a little kid growing up in a"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "traditional Jewish family, we attended"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "Belrose Jewish Center and it became the"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "scandal of the neighborhood. If only"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "these were our problems today. This is"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "what passed for a problem back in those"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "days that the rabbis started wearing a"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "toupe. And so people had discussions"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "about whether this was appropriate."}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "Isn't a spiritual leader supposed to"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "model self-acceptance? It wasn't put"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "quite that nicely on 251st Street, but"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "that was the basic argument. And one day"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "we were on a receiving line after"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "services where, you know, people will"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "shake hands with the clergy, have a nice"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "week, thank you. And my sister, my older"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "sister, four years older, uh, was in"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "front of me and um, oh my god, I still"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "feel embarrassed talking about it."}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:24", "text": ">> I'm embarrassed waiting for it."}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:27", "text": ">> Yeah, I feel it like I did when I was"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "10. And she said to him, \"Don't you"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "think that's a little ridiculous?\" And"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "he said, \"What?\" And uh she said, \"The"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "Dupe.\" And through very tight lips, he"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "said, \"I don't think that's any of your"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "affair.\" And I still feel mortified"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "talking about it. But I look back on"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "that and I tell that story for a reason."}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "He was right. He was right."}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": ">> Of course he was."}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:53", "text": ">> Yeah. I feel very strongly that people"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "in our alternative spiritual culture,"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "which is where I'm from, which is where"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "I spend most of my time, we get hemmed"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "into orthodoxies the way everybody else"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "does. We flee orthodoxies only to"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "recreate them and slam the door behind"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "us as quickly as possible. What I'm"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "really trying to say to people is just"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "as in ancient myth, strangers, spiritual"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "messengers, gods would sometimes wander"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "the earth disguised as vagabons and"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "people who invited them in would receive"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "extraordinary gifts. So do solutions"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "reach us disguised as strangers. Things"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "that we are ready to reject might be"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "what we need. So if somebody says I'm"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "spiritual, well that may be spiritual"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "means extra physical, but the world we"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "live in can bring you solutions in ways"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "that are disguised as those unbidden"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "vagabons. So I beg people, I beg people,"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "think for yourself, decide for yourself."}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "Don't turn something away because it"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "doesn't fit your cultural image or your"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "mind's eye image of what is supposed to"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "be right. Don't get fixated on the"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "example. I choose the example because"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "it's true and it's particularly vivid."}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "Here was a spiritual leader being talked"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "down because he did something that the"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "neighborhood didn't think was physically"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "appropriate. The neighborhood was wrong."}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "The neighborhood was wrong. I encourage"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "the individual to find his or her own"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "solutions and to make ethical"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "determinations about them yourself. So,"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "if you're interested in natural"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "medicine, bravo. The solution that"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "you're seeking may come in the form of"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "that little pill. Or if you insist that"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "you don't go for any of this woo woo"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "hocus pocus, well, the solution that"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "you're seeking may come in the form of"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "Reiki or some other energy medicine."}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "Just be flexible. That's what I'm trying"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "to get across."}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:55", "text": ">> Does your sister remember that scene?"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:57", "text": ">> I don't know whether she recalls that"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "explicitly. And if she doesn't, she will"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "let me know."}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:03", "text": ">> She has quite an influence on you. early"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "on. No, with was she did you bring home"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "tremendously? So, I'm I'm indebted to"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "her for the path that I'm on because"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "here we were two kids of different ages"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "growing up in the 1970s and she would"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "bring home paperbacks from school on"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "Bigfoot and Flying Saucers and ESP and"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "the paperbacks of the the the the poor"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "belleaguered Carlos Castanada, which I"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "started reading when I was a kid."}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "I'm astounded that Castanada is still"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "such a subject of controversy in our"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "culture. Can we not understand allegory?"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "The the stories that he told were not"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "forensically verifiable. That is"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "correct. Carlos was a trickster and he"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "created a past for himself. That is"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "correct. Do we not understand allegory?"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "Did Christ not teach in parables?"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:51", "text": ">> I was just going to say"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:53", "text": ">> we bring this over literalism to Carlos"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "and we dismiss him. There's tremendous"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "wisdom in those books, particularly the"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "first one. And I started reading Carlos"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "as a little kid, thanks to my sister"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "Nina, and that too helped put me on my"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "path."}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:08", "text": ">> Tell me about the um"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "how the how the your parents divorce"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "kind of became an engine for you."}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:14", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:15", "text": ">> As personal as you want to be."}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:18", "text": ">> No, no, I I'm I'm"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:19", "text": ">> And we you know, we we had talked"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "earlier about being on similar paths."}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:23", "text": ">> I went through the same thing."}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": ">> Huh. I went through the same thing."}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:27", "text": ">> It was a traumatic time of life."}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "Everyone's been through trauma. I have"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "nothing special to claim in terms of my"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "tale of woe. I was just speaking with my"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "wife this morning. You look from one"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "mountain range to the other in Las"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "Vegas. It's a city filled with people"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "who have undergone trauma. It's part of"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "all our lives. I was 15. Oh, the family"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "was just torn apart by financial"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "disaster. My dad, as we were discussing,"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": ">> 15. Okay, that's hard. He had been a"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "legal aid attorney defending the poorest"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "of the poor in New York City. Very tough"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "work. Long story short, he went into"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "private practice. The private practice"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "failed. It threw our family into"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "financial turmoil. The turmoil boiled"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "over into divorce. It was a very painful"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "time. And it was no one person's fault."}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "He was made the fall guy for a lot of"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "stuff, but I never thought that was"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "fair. And with the divorce came a whole"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "change of life because look we were"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "going to an Orthodox synagogue where the"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "sexes were separated by seating and we"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "started going to a reformed synagogue"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "signaled a big change in our religious"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "life but uh in addition to that I began"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "looking for spiritual solutions and when"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "I say spiritual again I mean extra"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "physical. I do believe that we occupy"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "this world we can see this tactile world"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "and a a world that we cannot see a"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "transpersonal world and I came to"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "believe very strongly not only in the"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "power of petitionary prayer with which I"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "had extraordinary experiences as a kid"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "continue to today but I came to believe"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "that there are causitive properties to"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "our psyche and that which we believe our"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "emotionalized thoughts our thought"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "pictures have a selective quality to"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "them and that became a foundational part"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "of my belief and I nurtured that from"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "age 15 up through today testing it,"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "probing it, trying it, denying it,"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "fleeing it, coming back to it. And uh"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "nobody wants to repeat the suffering"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "that they have been through. But we all"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "would acknowledge that suffering created"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "the parts of ourselves that we consider"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "most refined."}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:42", "text": ">> I have one more question, but you"}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "mentioned another rule that was um don't"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "make fun of people because you don't"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "know what they're going through."}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:48", "text": ">> And I do it all the time, may I"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "tell you? Me too."}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:54", "text": ">> And I'm so goddamned ashamed of myself."}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:56", "text": ">> And I say this because what else do we"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "have but transparency on the path?"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "Transparency, verification."}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "I look over at somebody, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "seated next to on an airplane, I think,"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "oh, they're making noise, whatever. I"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "have no idea what that person is going"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "through. I have no idea that that person"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "might have a special needs child seated"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "two seats down from them. Yep."}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:19", "text": ">> And that they are going through things"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "that I have never had to go through. So,"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "for God's sake, can we just take it a"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "little easier on one another? Seems such"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "a simple statement, right? But its"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "profoundity appears in application. And"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "I'm always telling that to people. I"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "like at this point in my search very"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "simple things because first of all, we"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "won't try things unless they are simple."}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "And secondly,"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "the profoundity and the difficulty and"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "the complexity will not appear until we"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "try them. You know, we all love the"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "delic maxim know thyself. Sure, I agree"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "with that. Put it on my coffee mug. Nice"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "refrigerator magnet. But none of us"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "engage in it. You know, we all think we"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "know ourselves. We don't take it"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "seriously. We don't take seriously"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "self-observation."}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "We don't take seriously the dictim not"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "to lie. Again, here's this chasm between"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "conviction and conduct. Of course, lying"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "is terrible. Well, you know, peel back"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "the layers a little bit. When have I"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "lied in the past 10 hours, 24 hours,"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "what have you."}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:18", "text": ">> Another rule. Everybody lies."}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:20", "text": ">> Another rule. Yeah. And um"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": ">> well, these rules, people need to read"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "these. They're rules to live by. And I"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "was telling you earlier that I believe"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "every single one of these and I fail at"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "quite a few of them"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:33", "text": ">> constantly. Constantly."}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:37", "text": ">> Like this requires work, vigilance."}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:39", "text": ">> Yeah. And it requires at certain moments"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "coming face to face with oneself and"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "feeling like you're a stranger to"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "yourself. And that aperture will close."}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "And then, you know, I reach for the TV"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "clicker and I, you know, reach for the"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "beer or the weed and that aperture will"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "close. But for God's sake, let it live."}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "Let it live for a few moments. Don't put"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "it in other words. In other words, just"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "let the remorse be there when you see"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "that gap between self and conduct. And"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "count on the fact that it'll go away and"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "don't worry about that. We're not built"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "to sustain it, but but don't throw it"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "away when it comes."}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:18", "text": ">> So, we're always defaulting back to"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "violating these rules. Is that how you"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "describe like just running one of the"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "programs, the 20 programs that we just"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "run it"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:26", "text": ">> when you"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:27", "text": ">> get angry at that person on the plane?"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "You're just running the program eight,"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "which is annoyed."}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:35", "text": ">> Absolutely. I came to realize at a"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "certain point that I probably have 20"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "total responses to life in one variation"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "or another. And there's a nightmare in"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "that. You know, we speak of free will."}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "I'm closer to a pullstring doll than I"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "am to a a figure of free will. I do"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "believe in free will, but free will"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "requires development. Decisionmaking"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "requires development. We hear all the"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "time that wars happen because human"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "beings choose to go to war. That's"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "nonsense. We don't choose anything. We"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:09", "text": "are the equivalent of automatons. We can"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "only speak of choice with development."}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "And that's a long, hard, arduous road."}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "I'm not sure it even ends anywhere very"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "promising. I think humanity's position"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "is is just disastrous. I think we're in"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "a very serious descent."}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:27", "text": ">> And I don't think there's anything that"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "I or anyone else can can do about that."}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "I mean, I ask people watching right now,"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "if they're watching this on a computer,"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "keep in mind all of us, all of us are"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "going to throw out that computer someday"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "and that lithium battery is going to"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "wind up in the backyard of some poor kid"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "somewhere who's going to get poisoned"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "groundwater because of that. And we know"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "that. Y"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:46", "text": ">> and we do it anyway."}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:48", "text": ">> Do it anyway."}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:49", "text": ">> That's our brokenness."}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:53", "text": ">> I couldn't decide if your book was"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "self-help or if it was a guide book to"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "the apocalypse."}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:44:02", "text": ">> Well, it's interesting. I worked for 27"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "years in corporate publishing and um"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "I met a lot of authors who ran from the"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "label self-help because they think it's"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:11", "text": "day class A. It's unseriousness. It's"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "the philosophy of the people. I embrace"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "the label self-help. I'm proud of that"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "label. Now, is it a guide to the"}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "apocalypse? Yes, in the certain sense"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "because I believe that we are in a stage"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "of decline. Call it kalyuga. uh call it"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "uh sleep, call it automaticity,"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "uh call it u what the Gnostics called it"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "that we're we're living under a false"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "god or a false deity. There are"}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "different terms for it, but to suggest"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "that we are beings of free will making"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "choices. I see evidence for that"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "nowhere. So, if that's the apocalypse,"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:49", "text": "then I would have to agree with that"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "characterization."}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:53", "text": ">> We're all running that one of those"}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "programs. It's Yeah, it was startling to"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "read in your book. Um, before we go to"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "break and I want to talk about your"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "publishing career,"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "we're talking about your dad. Can we"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "tell me about Dad versus Sid?"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "Oh, wow. Well, I was very proud of dad"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "at age 12. Uh, dad ran for Congress on a"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "a district that bridges uh the Queens"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "Long Island border. It was that Union"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "Turnpike Marcus Avenue district. and uh"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:28", "text": ">> the Silver Moon District,"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:30", "text": ">> the Silver Moon District. And his"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "opponent was a standard machine"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "politician, not a bad guy, not a bad"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "guy, named Lester Wolf, who was the"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "chair of some subcommittee on narcotics"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "in Congress. And dad decided that uh"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "again, if only these were our problems"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "today,"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:48", "text": ">> better time. Dad decided that Sid"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "Vicious should never have been allowed"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "into this country because Sid supposedly"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "killed his girlfriend Nancy Spongen. I"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "don't know that that's true, but that's"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "certainly what history has recorded. Sid"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "never got his day in court because he"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "died of an overdose soon after. And I"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "loved Sid, but dad decided that he was"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "going to become the poster boy for"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "anarchy in our burrow. And people were"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "worried about crime. And dad, to his"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "credit, would not play the race card."}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "and instead he made Sid Vicious into oh,"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "I don't know, his campaign partner. And"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "so"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "he went around giving talks uh that"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "Lester Wolf, his opponent, should have"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "be held responsible for a known drug"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "addict entering our country and killing"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "his girlfriend in our fair city. And I"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "remember once he was speaking in front"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "of a group of grumpy Jewish war veterans"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "and he gave this talk and Lester Wolf"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "showed up late, not a smooth move. And"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "um he had no idea that dad was doing any"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "of this. Didn't know who Sid Vicious"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "was. And so they started screaming at"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "him, \"You let Vicious Sid into this"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "country.\" And"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:58", "text": ">> the the the presentation had to stop so"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "Lester Wolf could be told who Sid"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "Vicious was. But again, I I write very"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "lovingly, very admiringly about this."}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:05", "text": ">> Talk about the good old days when these"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "were our problems."}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:10", "text": ">> I the the title of the article was"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "brilliant. It was Dad Fought the Sex"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "Pistols and the Sex Pistols won. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:14", "text": ">> And now the song is in my head. It's"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:15", "text": ">> how it happened."}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:18", "text": ">> And we'll be right back."}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:20", "text": ">> There's a section in your book called"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "Cast Out."}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:23", "text": ">> 1997, you're fired the first two times"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "from your dream job."}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> Two years in and it's over."}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:33", "text": ">> What happened? What happened through"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "that that year?"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "I worked for many years in corporate"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "publishing and once upon a time I was"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "hired by a political press now defunct"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "at Simon and Schustster called the free"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "press and that place was flying high and"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "I was thrilled to be there. I could not"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "get arrested when I was there two years"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "and I just couldn't get agents to submit"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "to me the way that was necessary and"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "that chokes off your air supply in"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "publishing. You live and die by that."}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "So, you have to wait for submissions."}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "That was your role."}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:08", "text": ">> Oh, I would try to drum up books and I"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "drummed up some damn good ones and I'm"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "very proud of a lot of what I published"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "there. But you can only do so much of"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "that. I mean, you really need to be"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "getting a stream of submissions in. And"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "for various reasons, I found it very,"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "very difficult. And I'll never forget"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "it. It's painful to recount, but people"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "deserve to hear it because they've been"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "through things like this. And they'll"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "feel less alone if they hear it."}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "After about a year on the job, I came"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "back from lunch. This was the old days"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "before email ruled the roost and we"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "would still get uh phone messages on"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "those little pink scratch pads. There"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "were no little pink scratch pad messages"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "waiting for me. And my voicemail light"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "was not on. And so I quietly closed my"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "office door and I lay my head down on my"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "desk and I thought, I am going"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "to get fired. And within about a year"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "that transpired and it was scary as hell"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "and it was painful as hell because a lot"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "of people in publishing got fired. It's"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "a tough business and I lasted longer"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "than most. I continued to last for many"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "years after that. But I thought I am not"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "the guy who gets fired. I am the"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "achiever. That wasn't so. And that was"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "very tough. And so I started looking for"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "new jobs. I have no family money. I live"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "paycheck to paycheck. And let me tell"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "you, I got the highest level interviews."}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "John Kennedy Jr. interviewed me for a"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "political magazine he was running at the"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "time. Yeah. He offered me a job. He died"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "shortly thereafter in a very tragic"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "airplane crash. And he was a hell of a"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "good guy. Like"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:44", "text": ">> he was going to be he was going to be"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "mayor."}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:49", "text": ">> Yeah. And and I mean he's American"}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "royalty. And you talk to him puts you"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "immediately at ease. Super easy to talk"}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "to. was interested in cattle"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "mutilations. It might interest you and"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "your audience to know."}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:49:58", "text": ">> I'm interested in what happened on that"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "flight."}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. And so what a loss."}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:06", "text": ">> I had experience one after another like"}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "that. Not where something tragic"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "occurred, but oh my god, I was in the"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:13", "text": "running for an arts and ideas editor at"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:15", "text": "the New York Times, interviewed with the"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "executive editor, Joseph Levelvelt."}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "Nothing. Um the editor of Harper's"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "magazine had a few too many one night."}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "Offered me a job. next day nothing. And"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "so, how does it feel when you come so"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "close to winning the gold and you get"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "nothing? You don't even get a bronze."}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "You get nothing. And I thought, I'm in"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "trouble and I've got to start going the"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "blue collar route. So, I just started"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "looking in what we used to call the"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "classified ads like everybody else. uh a"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:47", "text": "Backwater New Age publisher which has"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "gone through many different names"}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "because it keeps getting bought by"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "different companies opened its doors to"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "me and I I went there."}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:57", "text": ">> What was it? Which publisher?"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:51:00", "text": ">> Well, it was known as Tarture Penguin"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:01", "text": ">> back in my day. We were Tarter Putinham,"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "then Tarter Penguin, then the"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "unpronouncable Tarter Perigee, and which"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "every radio host would call Tarter"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:13", "text": "Perigree. And I'd be like, \"This was a"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "great move.\" Anyway, um it was a"}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "slightly down on its luck new age press"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:21", "text": "and I was coming from what had been a"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "very high-flying press where everything"}, {"start": "00:51:21", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "we published would get reviewed in the"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "New Yorker and the New York Review of"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "Books and the New York Times and so"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "forth. These were different days. And my"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "friends thought I was crazy. They said,"}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "\"Don't go there.\" And my attitude was,"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "\"No, I believe in a yes. And I believe"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "in walking through open doors.\" And"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:39", "text": ">> you didn't feel like it was a step down."}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:42", "text": ">> Oh, it was definitely a step down."}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:46", "text": ">> Oh, it was. And I felt it intensely. I"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "mean, I went from, oh man, uh, Harvard"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "to a little correspondent school that"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "nobody has heard of. And it was a very"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "serious step down. But I swallowed the"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "ego and I swallowed the humiliation."}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "Lost a lot of friends. God save us from"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "our friends."}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:03", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:06", "text": ">> Why? Because I use the term friends. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "resisting air quotes. In New York City,"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "friendships are based on usefulness."}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "Friendships are based on what can you do"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "for me?"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:16", "text": ">> Another rule is steal yourself when your"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "best friend betrays you."}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:17", "text": ">> For real?"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:17", "text": ">> For real."}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:18", "text": ">> For real."}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:19", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:21", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:24", "text": ">> I work long days. I don't sleep as much"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "as I should. And for years, I could just"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "power through it. But as I've gotten"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "older, I've noticed the same routine"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "hits differently. Less energy, slower"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "recovery. I figured that was just aging."}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "But there may be more to it. The average"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "male testosterone has dropped about 1%"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "every year since 1980. So you're not"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:41", "text": "just getting older. You may be starting"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "from a lower baseline than the"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "generation before you. 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Sure."}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "Oh, people dropped away from me. People"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "abandoned me. People would say, \"How you"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "doing?\" as though I was in the hospital"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "or something,"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:54:00", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:03", "text": ">> But I take seriously a yes. I take"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "seriously an open door. And remember,"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:08", "text": "messengers come desri disguised as"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "strangers."}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:12", "text": ">> Be flexible. Don't get stuck to your"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "mind's eye image of where you're going."}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "I started to rediscover the occult and"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "esoteric interests that I knew as a kid,"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "which I still had, but they were"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "secondary. They were on the back burner."}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "This job brought them back up front."}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:30", "text": ">> Well, hang on. What was your belief"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "system when you were an executive?"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:33", "text": ">> Was it just"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:34", "text": ">> Well, most of my career was eventually"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "spent in spiritual publishing. So, my"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "outlook was a lot like what you're"}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "hearing now. But before that,"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:41", "text": ">> before that,"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:43", "text": ">> oh, I was just interested in politics"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "and social trends and things of that"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "nature. I might go on a yoga retreat now"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "and then or do something like that, but"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "it was it was secondary. It was"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "secondary. Just just New York hustle is"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:54", "text": "really what it was."}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:56", "text": ">> New York hustle. Got it. And New York"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "City, you don't talk about spirituality"}, {"start": "00:54:56", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "too much or people start to think you're"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "a nut. You know, you can you can invoke"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "your version of psychologized NPR"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "Buddhism, but you you know, you go"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "beyond that and your tote bag gets"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "revoked."}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:09", "text": ">> No, the moon the mooneyies were"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "mooneyies were still on the west side at"}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "that time."}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:16", "text": ">> Oh, that's right. That's right. No, you"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "can't do any of that stuff. Um, and so"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "it wasn't too frequently talked about"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "and people had your fairly conventional"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "attitudes. It's a bunch of junk, a bunch"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:25", "text": "of nonsense. Don't tell me about your"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "Star Scroll, you know, leave that back"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "at the Silver Moon Diner."}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:32", "text": ">> And so that stuff was back burned in my"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "life. I began reading into the backlist"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "of of this imprint and it changed"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "everything for me. It reignited all my"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "childhood interests. So I read about the"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:42", "text": "different mystical positive mind"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "philosophies. I read about the"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "philosophy of GI Gerjief. I read all"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:51", "text": "kinds of of occult and esoteric and"}, {"start": "00:55:48", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "alternative spiritual texts that just"}, {"start": "00:55:51", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "awakened a fire in me that had gone way"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "down to a little pilot light. And then"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "eventually eventually having thought I"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "left writing behind which was a real"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "suffering for me I rediscovered myself"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "as a writer because to write well you"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:12", "text": "need that perfect marriage to topic and"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "I didn't have it I didn't want to write"}, {"start": "00:56:12", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "book reviews for the village voice or"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:17", "text": "something like that. I didn't want to"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "write about politics. There are enough"}, {"start": "00:56:17", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "guys boopping around town doing that. I"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "didn't want any part of it. But suddenly"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "suddenly I began to realize that the"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "metaphysical topics and their purveyors"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "figures like Manley P. Hall, Edar Casey,"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "Madame HP Bllovadsky, these figures were"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:38", "text": "not receiving fair treatment within"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "mainstream letters."}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:42", "text": ">> Well, people don't realize how"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "influential you are with the culture. I"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "mean, if if anyone who think watched or"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "read The Secret or thinks about"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "manifestation, half the kids on TikTok,"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "it goes back to Manley P. Paul, doesn't"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:55", "text": ">> Yeah, it's remarkable. And and the under"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "these figures are almost like an"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "underground river that feeds so much of"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "our above ground culture, but they get"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "forgotten. They get disparaged."}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "They are when they're acknowledged,"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "they're all within mainstream letters."}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "Their reputations and their lives are"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "butchered. But these are people who"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "really lived for something."}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:14", "text": ">> Well, how did you know Neville was"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "important?"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:19", "text": ">> Oh, man. I knew Neville was important"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "when I first came into contact with his"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "work. I had not heard of him. It was"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "summer of 2003 and this is what"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "reignited my writing career. Uh there"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "was a positive thinking magazine called"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "Science of Mind and they landed an"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "interview with a major league pitcher"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "named Barry Zitto and Barry became the"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "hero of the 2012 World Series pitching"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "for the San Francisco Giants."}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "Barry"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "uses or used a lot of these positive"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "mind methods in his training came from"}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "his parents"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "and so they wanted to find somebody they"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "could trust to interview Barry. There"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "was no room to mess this up. This was a"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "very important"}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "catch and article and figure and they"}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "asked me to do it and I hadn't written"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "for years and I was so thrilled and I"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "thought this is another open door. This"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "is another yes. Take this. And so I"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "interviewed Barry in the summer of 2003."}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:22", "text": ">> No anxiety. Don't this up."}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:24", "text": ">> Oh, I had huge anxiety."}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:27", "text": ">> Good. And I read into his background"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "very deeply and I discovered something"}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "which is that a good article of any kind"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "is an article in which the writer"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "follows his or her own proclivities and"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "finds the connective tissue. Finds the"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:41", "text": "connective tissue. You create your own"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "beginning, middle, and end. And I wanted"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:48", "text": "to do that with Barry because I was so"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "fascinated with him as a man of mystical"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "beliefs who really took the rubber to"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "the road because you have nowhere to"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "hide in athleticism whether you're a"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "martial artist, basketball player, you"}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "have nowhere to hide. You're out there"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "naked."}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:03", "text": ">> You can or you can't."}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:05", "text": ">> You can or you can't. And your your"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "performance is your only proving ground."}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "And Barry's performance was stellar. And"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "he was so frank and so upfront about the"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "mystical ideas that fed his training"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "which he got from his parents Joe and"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "Roberta. And as we were talking, Barry"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "said to me, \"You must really be into"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "Neville or Neville Goddard.\" I had never"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "heard the name. And he said something to"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "me about Neville Goddard, this great"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:32", "text": "British Barbadian mystic."}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:35", "text": ">> A ball player turned you on to Neville."}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:38", "text": ">> Ball player. Okay. Barry Zitto. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "And I got Neville's book Resurrection"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "which was published in 1966 his last"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "fulllength book. And Neville's"}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "contention which he repeated elegantly"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "across his career is that your"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "imagination is what is symbolically"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:59", "text": "called God in scripture. And that"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "everything that you experience consists"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "of your own emotionalized thoughts"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "pushed out into the world. including my"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "voice right now, including your presence"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "right now. So Neville would say to your"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "audience, um, there's no Mitch here,"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "there's no AJ here. These are figments"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "of your own imagination. You're just"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "ready to receive whatever this message"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "is through that form right now. It's all"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "rooted in you as you are rooted in the"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:29", "text": "ultimate. And I fell into Neville's"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "message because he enunciated it so"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "beautifully. And every time I read it or"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "heard it, it was as though I were"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "encountering it for the first time. And"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "Neville became one of the chief"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "influences on my life. So I write the"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:46", "text": "article about Barry. About two weeks"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "later, somebody tells me, \"Mitch, Joe"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "Zto is on the phone, Barry's father. He"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "wants to talk to you.\" And I'm thinking,"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "\"Oh god.\" Because Joe had a really tough"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:56", "text": "reputation. So now I'm nervous. And I"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "pick up the phone. He goes, \"Mitch, this"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "is Joe Zto.\" And he, \"That article was"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "terrific. Now you listen to me. You"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "stick with this thing. By which he meant"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "writing. By which he meant writing. And"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "it was just what I needed to hear at"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:12", "text": "that juncture of life. Had I not gone to"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "that backwater new age publisher, had I"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "not read into its backlist, had I not"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "interviewed Barry, encountered Neville,"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:21", "text": "encountered Joe, I wouldn't be seated"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "here right now. I wouldn't be married to"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "my my wife Jacqueline Castell right now,"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "who we met through our shared adjacency"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "to these topics."}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "What I experienced when I was fired from"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "the free press was a failure and it was"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "emotionally very difficult. I suffered."}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "I suffered. It's not something I want to"}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "go through again or wish somebody else"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "would go through. But without that"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "suffering would not have come the"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "deliverance and the refinement that I"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:50", "text": "saw. It's just the bargain that life"}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "strikes with us."}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:56", "text": ">> Well, I mean, um, Jack Valet, Manley"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "Hall, Neville,"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "who was in the slush pile? What kind of"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "work were you getting that you said no?"}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:05", "text": ">> The only things for me that wound up in"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "the slush pile, and there are a few"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "things I wish wound up in the slush pile"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "that I published, uh, were works that"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "were just lazy where people weren't"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "really putting themselves through paces"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "to ask, \"How do I know this? Have I"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "struggled to verify this? Have I really"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "tried to make this happen?\" And it's"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "tough in publishing because even when"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "you decide I'm not going to acquire a"}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "project unless I get sample chapters and"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:35", "text": "I know those sample chapters are just"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "cracker jack and great. People choke"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:39", "text": "under pressure all the time. That was"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:41", "text": "the most stressful thing for me in"}, {"start": "01:02:39", "end": "01:02:42", "text": "publishing. People used to ask me, \"Do"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:45", "text": "you miss publishing?\" Not for an"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "instant. It did many good things for me."}, {"start": "01:02:45", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "But"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "being a writer and being answerable to"}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:55", "text": "myself is infinitely more fulfilling"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "than being on pins and needles as to"}, {"start": "01:02:55", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "whether somebody is going to meet his or"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "her deadline. I would pay people good"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:04", "text": "money to write on topics that were near"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "and dear to their heart and they would"}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:11", "text": "choke and it was always my fault, you"}, {"start": "01:03:08", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "know, never their fault. And there was"}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:15", "text": "an exception to that who I write about"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "in the book and a lot of people don't"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "hearing don't like hearing the name of"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "this exception."}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:21", "text": ">> Go ahead."}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:24", "text": ">> But that was Tucker Carlson."}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:26", "text": ">> I knew Tucker when we were relative kids"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "and I signed up Tucker to write a book."}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:32", "text": "His career was just taking off. Didn't"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:34", "text": "work out. One day at my desk, I got a"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "handwritten note and a check for $10,000"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "from Tucker. And he said, \"Look, I'm"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:42", "text": "very sorry. I just I can't do it.\" and"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "uh one and only time in 27 years"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "anyone's ever done that, taken the"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "responsibility on himself, returned the"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:51", "text": "dough, and you part with a handshake. Uh"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:52", "text": "but the toughest part of publishing, and"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "I suppose this goes on everywhere, this"}, {"start": "01:03:52", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "goes on in hospitals, this goes on in"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "every workplace, is that people just"}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "will not say, uh, I had an accident or I"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "couldn't do it or I made a mistake, I"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "failed, whatever. And um that was a"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "tough part of publishing for me. I don't"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "want to depend upon somebody else to row"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:16", "text": "the boat. I want to row it myself."}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:17", "text": ">> I think it your publishing career shows"}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "up almost as rule number one is do the"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "work and do it on time. I mean"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:21", "text": ">> Amen."}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:24", "text": ">> It's right there. Number one."}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:26", "text": ">> Amen. And if you can't,"}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:28", "text": ">> then be open about it. Go to the person"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:31", "text": "to whom you owe it and you'll fix it"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "together. Just don't run away."}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:35", "text": ">> Um can we connect Manley P. called a"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "Ronald Reagan."}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:36", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:37", "text": ">> let's do that."}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:38", "text": ">> They knew each other."}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:41", "text": ">> They did?"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I wrote about this of"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:47", "text": "all places in that journal of occult"}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "Passions, the Washington Post in 2010."}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "And I I don't write very much for"}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "mainstream sources anymore because I"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "find that my topics are treated with"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:59", "text": "cynicism and I don't like pushing back"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:01", "text": "all the time against cynicism. But it's"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "also a good exercise because you're"}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "writing for a place that has no"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "sympathies to occult subject matter. I"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "did a text analysis of Reagan's speeches"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "and I found Dead to Rights and anybody"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "wants to can read about it in the"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:19", "text": "Washington Post. Uh it's called Reagan"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:23", "text": "and the Occult is the article came out"}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "in April of 2010 with my by line. I did"}, {"start": "01:05:23", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "a textual analysis of Reagan's speeches"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "and I found that from the earliest"}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:35", "text": "stages of his political career in the"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:37", "text": "1950s when he was a spokesman for uh GE"}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "up through the second term of his"}, {"start": "01:05:37", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "presidency. He was adopting not only"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "ideas but specific phrasiology"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "from the work of Manly P. hall,"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "particularly from a book called The"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "Secret Destiny of America, which is kind"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "of a mythical retelling of American"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "history. And Reagan would talk about"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "this. He spoke about this at the"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "centenery of the Statue of Liberty. He"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:04", "text": "spoke about this in front of CPAC. He"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:07", "text": "spoke about this in front of college"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "audiences at commencement addresses. And"}, {"start": "01:06:07", "end": "01:06:10", "text": "everybody just thought, \"Ah, you know,"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "there goes old Ron again. You know, he"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:16", "text": "gets a little barmy.\" Well, he was"}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "quoting directly from Manley P. Hall."}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "Furthermore, uh there's an Gnostic"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "scholar who died recently, Stefan Heler."}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "And Heler, who I think was a very sober"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "man and a very good witness overall, uh"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:32", "text": "told me uh that he was on campus once at"}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "the philosophical research society in"}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "Los Angeles and that there was this"}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "beautiful limousine parked outside of"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "Manley Hall's office and Heler went up"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "to the driver who was a right proper"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:47", "text": "chauffeur with the cap and everything"}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:49", "text": "and he said to the chauffeur, uh"}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:51", "text": "Stefan used to have a particular way of"}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "talking to who belongs this beautiful"}, {"start": "01:06:51", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "are and he said, \"Well, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:55", "text": "not supposed to talk about it, but"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "Governor Reagan, you know, he's there in"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:07:00", "text": "the office with with with Manley Hall.\""}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "And uh then when Reagan was running for"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "president, he would come on the tube and"}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "Manley would sort of laugh a little and"}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "say, \"Ah, yes, we know him.\" And uh a"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:10", "text": "woman named Pearl Thomas, who was the"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "librarian, confirmed this, but but it"}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:13", "text": "wasn't something they like to talk about"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:15", "text": "because Manley Hall was not a"}, {"start": "01:07:13", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "starchaser. He didn't like to try to"}, {"start": "01:07:15", "end": "01:07:20", "text": "associate himself with political figures"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:21", "text": "or bold-faced names. There's something I"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "really admired about the man. He lived"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:26", "text": "in Hollywood most of his adult life, but"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "he never kind of chased after celebrity"}, {"start": "01:07:26", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "status. He lived a very quiet life."}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "Anyway, uh best of my knowledge, he and"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:37", "text": "Reagan had had friendly meetings and"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:41", "text": "dead to rights certain as dead to rights"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "certainty uh based on direct quotes, uh"}, {"start": "01:07:41", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "Reagan was was drawing upon the work of"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "Manley Hall in his own speeches. So"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "people say, \"Oh, the Reagans, you know,"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:51", "text": "into astrology, numerology.\" Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "that's true. And it went deeper than"}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "that. Went deeper than that."}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:55", "text": ">> And do you remember any specific"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "examples from Reagan?"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:07:59", "text": ">> Oh, well, very specifically Reagan"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:03", "text": "across the arc of his political career"}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "told a story about this mysterious"}, {"start": "01:08:03", "end": "01:08:08", "text": "unknown speaker at the signing of the"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "Declaration of Independence uh in"}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "Philadelphia in on July 4th, 1776. And"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "no one knew how this mysterious man"}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:19", "text": "entered and exited the locked doors of"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "the hall. But when the delegates were"}, {"start": "01:08:19", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "wavering and were afraid to put their"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:27", "text": "signatures to paper, he gave this"}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "rousing address. And he uh uh urged all"}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "the delegates to rush forward and sign"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "the paper. And so Manley wondered"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:36", "text": "whether this was a secret agent of"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "destiny, a hidden adept whose job it was"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "to nudge the New Republic along on its"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "path to experiments in self-governance."}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "And I remember I first got onto the"}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:50", "text": "scent trail of this because a talk show"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:53", "text": "host in New Orleans said to me, \"Did you"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "know that Ronald Reagan believed in"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:57", "text": "secret spiritual masters?\" And I said,"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "\"No, I didn't know that.\" Somewhat"}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:03", "text": "skeptical. and uh he sent me a"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:06", "text": "newsletter from some congressman who had"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:08", "text": "written something about it. And the"}, {"start": "01:09:06", "end": "01:09:11", "text": "newsletter from the congressman"}, {"start": "01:09:08", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "identified an article that Reagan wrote"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:18", "text": "for Parade magazine in 1980 on the topic"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "of what the Fourth of July means to him."}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:22", "text": "And he wrote the article on a legal pad"}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "in longhand. And I got hold of the"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "article and my blood ran cold because I"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:30", "text": "realized, oh my god, this is telltale"}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:32", "text": "phrasiology from Manley P Hall. And I"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "began to track it. And I tracked the"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "story that Manley told, which is a story"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:39", "text": "of questionable vintage, but he"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "certainly thought he was repeating"}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "something that that that had historical"}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:46", "text": "verity. And"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:48", "text": ">> did he ever name that guy? Because he"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "shows up in the account of St. Germaine,"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:50", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:52", "text": ">> Which connects to theosophy and all of"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "that. Exactly. He called him the unknown"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "speaker. Okay, that was the term,"}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "unknown speaker. Um, I tracked down the"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:03", "text": "etmology of the story and I'm I'm fairly"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "sure that it comes from a a mid 19th"}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "century work and it was it was told in a"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "way that was intended to be fanciful. It"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "was written by a guy named George"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "Liippard who was a friend of Edgar Ellen"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "Poe and he was trying to capture"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:18", "text": "something of the fiery eloquence at the"}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "time of the revolution and he"}, {"start": "01:10:18", "end": "01:10:22", "text": "acknowledged that the story was invented"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "but he felt it was parabolically true,"}, {"start": "01:10:22", "end": "01:10:27", "text": "mythically true. Manley felt that the"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:29", "text": "story had historical verity. He repeated"}, {"start": "01:10:27", "end": "01:10:33", "text": "it. Reagan repeated it. Reagan even says"}, {"start": "01:10:29", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "in front of CPAC, uh, I have to admit"}, {"start": "01:10:33", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "I've never gone through the trouble to"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "verify the story, but I I believe that"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "it's true. I've spoken to the man who"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:43", "text": "who told it to me. I think he's"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:46", "text": "referencing Manly Phal. And um and there"}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:48", "text": "it is. There is deep-seated esoteric"}, {"start": "01:10:46", "end": "01:10:51", "text": "history. You got to remember during"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:53", "text": "Reagan's lifetime, Manley Pal was an"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:55", "text": "unknown. He's known today. He's known"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:58", "text": "throughout the internet today, but back"}, {"start": "01:10:55", "end": "01:11:00", "text": "then this was a real figure from"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:02", "text": "underground culture. And there's Ronald"}, {"start": "01:11:00", "end": "01:11:05", "text": "Reagan quoting from him."}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:07", "text": ">> How does Manley uh Hall connect to"}, {"start": "01:11:05", "end": "01:11:09", "text": "Napoleon Hill?"}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:10", "text": "Well, I don't know that Manley Hall"}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "would have liked the work of Napoleon"}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "Hill because Manley was discouraging of"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "an acquisitional approach to"}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:21", "text": "spirituality or to self-development. I"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "don't share that critique of Manley's. I"}, {"start": "01:11:21", "end": "01:11:25", "text": "think Napoleon Hill, despite his own"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "checkered biography, which I've written"}, {"start": "01:11:25", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "about,"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:33", "text": ">> was a tremendously shrewd observer of"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:35", "text": "human nature. And I reckon that Napoleon"}, {"start": "01:11:33", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "Hill and his book Think and Grow Rich,"}, {"start": "01:11:35", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "which I recommend, saved my own life"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:43", "text": "because I was fired twice in publishing."}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "The second and last time was in 2017."}, {"start": "01:11:43", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "Now, my company was bought out by Random"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:51", "text": "House. This was in 2013. And I thought,"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "\"Oh man, they are going to come for me."}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:55", "text": ">> Here we go again."}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:58", "text": ">> Here we go again.\" And so I did"}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:12:00", "text": "something that I recommend to people. I"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:03", "text": "had known Napoleon Hill's work for"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "years. I had published an addition of"}, {"start": "01:12:03", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "Think and Grow Rich since 2004,"}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "but I like many people thought, \"Ah, you"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "know, I don't need that self-help stuff."}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "I know all these exercises. I'm an"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:17", "text": "expert when it comes to this stuff. Come"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:20", "text": "on, bring on the big boys.\" I was wrong."}, {"start": "01:12:17", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "I was wrong. I decided, feeling that my"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "job might be in danger. And I lasted"}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "another four years. just took them a"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "while to find me. But I decided in 2013,"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:27", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:28", "text": ">> was that when you were the best kept"}, {"start": "01:12:27", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "secret in the company?"}, {"start": "01:12:28", "end": "01:12:34", "text": ">> That's when I was the best kept secret"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:37", "text": "in the company. Had I remained so. Um I"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "I thought to myself, um there's no such"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "thing as a merger. There's a buyout,"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:46", "text": ">> And buyouts result in layoffs. And those"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "are the hard truths. And so I started to"}, {"start": "01:12:46", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "think, I'm going to need to contemplate"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:52", "text": "a career post-publishing because I ain't"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "going through this again."}, {"start": "01:12:52", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "And I recommend this to everybody who"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "feels they are at a crisis in life. I"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:02", "text": "got a copy of Think and Grow Rich, a"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "book that I was on very familiar terms"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "with, but I did something different. I"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "did every exercise in that book as"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "though my life depended on it. And when"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "they came for me in fall of 2017, I was"}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "ready. I was ready to embark on my own"}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "independent career as a a writer,"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "speaker, television host. I was ready."}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:27", "text": "And I attribute a lot of that to"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "Napoleon Hill's work. People don't know"}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:30", "text": "Think and Grow Rich. They only believe"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "that they know Think and Grow Rich"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "because of our I heard it somewhere"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "culture. The book has an element of mind"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "metaphysics in it. It has an element of"}, {"start": "01:13:36", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "mental causation in it, but it's a very"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:45", "text": "actionoriented book and it is a book"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "filled with shrewd observations about"}, {"start": "01:13:45", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "human nature and I cannot recommend it"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "highly enough."}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:51", "text": ">> What do you think we're getting wrong"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:54", "text": "about it?"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:56", "text": "We get things wrong because we think"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:13:57", "text": "we're too sophisticated for books like"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:13:59", "text": "Think and Grow Rich."}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:01", "text": ">> I'm supposed to be embarrassed sitting"}, {"start": "01:13:59", "end": "01:14:03", "text": "on the New York City subway carrying my"}, {"start": "01:14:01", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "copy of Think and Grow Rich. How go."}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:06", "text": "What are you going to read next? Dale"}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "Carnegie's How to Win Friends and"}, {"start": "01:14:06", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "Influence People."}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:11", "text": ">> That's next on my list."}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:14", "text": ">> You know, I give that book as a gift to"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:16", "text": "my kids and to other young people. We"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:17", "text": "I'd like to say we've forgotten the"}, {"start": "01:14:16", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "lessons of these books, but we've never"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "even learned them. We as a culture think"}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:25", "text": "we're too sophisticated for books like"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "that. And I think that's a a huge and"}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:31", "text": "tragic mistake. And I will read Think"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:34", "text": "and Grow Rich cover out with my white"}, {"start": "01:14:31", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "packing tape on it to my clear packing"}, {"start": "01:14:34", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "tape to keep it from falling apart. And"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "I go back to that book just about every"}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "year. And I encourage people, I don't"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:47", "text": "care how often you feel you've been"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "around the block with self-help or"}, {"start": "01:14:47", "end": "01:14:52", "text": "motivational literature or whatever it"}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:54", "text": "may be, do the exercises as though your"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "life depends on it and things will"}, {"start": "01:14:54", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "happen. I state that from experience."}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:00", "text": ">> I agree. My copies are probably 30 years"}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "old. I still have it."}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:06", "text": ">> Did you connect Napoleon Hill to Marxism"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "at some point?"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:09", "text": ">> That's very funny that you say that. Uh"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "there was a lawyer from the Napoleon"}, {"start": "01:15:09", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "Hill Foundation. Best editorial note"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "I've ever gotten. He he wrote in the"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "margin of one of my manuscripts because"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "I was doing a book in conjunction with"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "their foundation. Napoleon Hill was not"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "a socialist. It was very dry comment. I"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "think what I was doing was I was"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "comparing Napoleon Hill to the work of"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "someone who was a socialist and that's"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:33", "text": "Wallace D. Wattles who wrote The Science"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "of Getting Rich, which was a primary"}, {"start": "01:15:33", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "source behind the book and movie The"}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:39", "text": "Secret. What people don't understand"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "about Wallace Dy Wattles and what I've"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "what I've written about in connection"}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:45", "text": "with his life, he's a beautiful man. He"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "was a democratic socialist and he"}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "believed that each individual could"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "liberate him or herself from the machine"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "by using these mental paths to wealth"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "and could create kind of a society of"}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:01", "text": "benevolent anarchy. I guess today we"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "might call him an anarchist or a"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "libertarian, but he saw himself as a"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "socialist and he saw himself in the"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "March of Progress and he saw his methods"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "as methods that would liberate working"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "men and women from the machine."}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:18", "text": ">> He's a beautiful man. Ran for office"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "three times on the ticket of the"}, {"start": "01:16:18", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "Socialist Party USA. Yeah. and uh and"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "was going to run for office a fourth"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "time, but unfortunately he died of"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:29", "text": "tuberculosis about a year after uh"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "science of getting rich came out."}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "Beautiful man and he was the real thing."}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:36", "text": "Wallace Dy Waddles, he was a real"}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:38", "text": "idealist and I think his methods are"}, {"start": "01:16:36", "end": "01:16:40", "text": "among the most wonderful that you'll"}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "find in the whole mind metaphysics"}, {"start": "01:16:40", "end": "01:16:45", "text": "genre. He was and I've written"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "extensively about this and let me tell"}, {"start": "01:16:45", "end": "01:16:50", "text": "you this is a hard one argument. Uh I"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:54", "text": "wrote an article recently on the German"}, {"start": "01:16:50", "end": "01:16:57", "text": "idealist uh FWH Hegel called Hegel and"}, {"start": "01:16:54", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "the validity of pop metaphysics. Wallace"}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "D. Wattles was a legitimate interpreter"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "of the metaphysical ideals of Hegel as a"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:09", "text": "philosopher. Ideals that got flipped by"}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "Markx into materialism. We sometimes use"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "the term dialectical materialism. Hegel"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:16", "text": "had nothing material about him. He"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "believed that the driving engine of life"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:21", "text": "was the metaphysical. Wallace D. Wattles"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:24", "text": "took this argument along with the"}, {"start": "01:17:21", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "notions, concepts, theories of other"}, {"start": "01:17:24", "end": "01:17:29", "text": "idealist philosophers, and he rendered"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:32", "text": "it into a slender program in his book,"}, {"start": "01:17:29", "end": "01:17:34", "text": "The Science of Getting Rich. Again, kind"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:36", "text": "of a ghost title that lettered people"}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "don't want to be associated with, but a"}, {"start": "01:17:36", "end": "01:17:41", "text": "memorable title. I always tell people"}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:42", "text": "when you're titles are very important."}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "They're critical. When you're looking"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "for a title, the early pioneers of"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "self-help were masters. Think and Grow"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "Rich, Science of Getting Rich, The Game"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "of Life, How to Win Friends and"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:56", "text": "Influence People. You cannot forget"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:57", "text": "these once you've heard them. They're"}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:17:59", "text": "outrageous."}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:00", "text": ">> We spend more time on our titles than we"}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:02", "text": "do on our episodes sometimes."}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:04", "text": ">> And well, you should. Well, you should."}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:06", "text": "Books are made or broken by titles. And"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:08", "text": "I always tell people,"}, {"start": "01:18:06", "end": "01:18:11", "text": ">> be audacious, but live up to it. Live up"}, {"start": "01:18:08", "end": "01:18:13", "text": "to it. Make a bold promise and then"}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:14", "text": "deliver on the bold promise. Or use"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:17", "text": "something really basic. If you want to"}, {"start": "01:18:14", "end": "01:18:19", "text": "call a book the tarot, okay, that's"}, {"start": "01:18:17", "end": "01:18:22", "text": "sufficient. If you want to call a book"}, {"start": "01:18:19", "end": "01:18:23", "text": "Lincoln, that's sufficient. But if you"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "don't have something that's instantly"}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "recognizable, you're going to have to"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:29", "text": "make a bold promise, especially to"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:32", "text": "readers who are just being pulled in all"}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "different directions at once. So Waddles"}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "writes this book, The Science of Getting"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:39", "text": "Witch Rich, which seems very"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:41", "text": "unsocialistic in its framing, but he had"}, {"start": "01:18:39", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "a point of view that was totally"}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:50", "text": "original and and and valid and I think"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:53", "text": "really sincere in its Hegel's"}, {"start": "01:18:50", "end": "01:18:56", "text": "metaphysics. My article Hegel and the"}, {"start": "01:18:53", "end": "01:18:58", "text": "validity of pop metaphysics very hard"}, {"start": "01:18:56", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "one piece came through very deep reading"}, {"start": "01:18:58", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "of Hegel. It's available for free on"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:04", "text": "Substack. I'm proud of it and I'm proud"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:06", "text": "of Wallace D. Waddles. I was probably"}, {"start": "01:19:04", "end": "01:19:08", "text": "comparing Hill to Waddles and that's"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "what engendered that remark."}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:14", "text": ">> Do would would Waddles work now? Would"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "his philosophy work now? And like in our"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:18", "text": "society"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:21", "text": ">> of consciousness, awareness, judgment"}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:23", "text": "and I would say it was one of the"}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "happiest weeks of my life. It was"}, {"start": "01:19:23", "end": "01:19:28", "text": "extraordinary. I recommend it to"}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:32", "text": "anybody. Well, your your motto for a"}, {"start": "01:19:28", "end": "01:19:32", "text": "while was try and then changed it a"}, {"start": "01:19:32", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "little, didn't it?"}, {"start": "01:19:32", "end": "01:19:35", "text": ">> Did I?"}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:36", "text": ">> Well, didn't something tell you to"}, {"start": "01:19:35", "end": "01:19:38", "text": ">> Oh, do less."}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:40", "text": ">> Yes, you're very right. You're very"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:43", "text": "right. My motto is try and it'll always"}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:46", "text": "be in my bones. But we were, as you"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "rightly hit on, at the Monroe Institute"}, {"start": "01:19:46", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "as the ultimate exercise,"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "we were invited using this sound"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "technology to go into what might be"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "called a transpersonal state and ask"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:03", "text": "five questions in order of descending"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:06", "text": "importance. And"}, {"start": "01:20:03", "end": "01:20:09", "text": "I asked for direction about what to do"}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:12", "text": "with my life, my work, my career. And"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "the number one response I got back was,"}, {"start": "01:20:12", "end": "01:20:15", "text": "\"Do less.\""}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:19", "text": ">> Amazing."}, {"start": "01:20:15", "end": "01:20:22", "text": ">> Do less. And it was jarring for me"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:25", "text": "because"}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "my motus operandi is activity. Activity."}, {"start": "01:20:25", "end": "01:20:30", "text": ">> Book a year."}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. podcast, TV, you're always"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "going, man."}, {"start": "01:20:31", "end": "01:20:35", "text": ">> I'm always going. I'm always going,"}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:37", "text": ">> which is not not ideal."}, {"start": "01:20:35", "end": "01:20:39", "text": ">> Yeah. I had a health episode uh earlier"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:41", "text": "this year where I was hospitalized"}, {"start": "01:20:39", "end": "01:20:43", "text": "because my hemoglobin tanked and we're"}, {"start": "01:20:41", "end": "01:20:46", "text": "still trying to figure out what happened"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "and why, but it was scary as hell. And"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "uh when you get a message of wisdom and"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:54", "text": "you don't listen, you can do whatever"}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:56", "text": "you want, but that message will take it"}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "out of your skin. and it got taken out"}, {"start": "01:20:56", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "of my skin and I'm fine now and I'm"}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:05", "text": "doing much much better. But do less was"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "a dictim that I really had to abide and"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:10", "text": "I was listening intellectually and I"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "wasn't listening emotionally."}, {"start": "01:21:10", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "This is again why I believe in very"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:17", "text": "simple ideas because profoundity only"}, {"start": "01:21:14", "end": "01:21:22", "text": "appears in application. Now am I doing"}, {"start": "01:21:17", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "less? I think I am trying to"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:27", "text": "dedicate myself to things that will make"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "a great deal of difference if they"}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:33", "text": "succeed. I'm not running around as"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "harried as I was. This is probably the"}, {"start": "01:21:33", "end": "01:21:38", "text": "longest stretch of time I've gone"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "without fully throwing myself into a new"}, {"start": "01:21:38", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "book, although I've got one coming. And"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "um traveling"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:44", "text": ">> yoga of"}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:45", "text": ">> the yoga of money."}, {"start": "01:21:44", "end": "01:21:50", "text": ">> Yoga of money. That's right."}, {"start": "01:21:45", "end": "01:21:53", "text": ">> Yeah. I have to get back to that. And um"}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "uh but I I the travel and you know"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "engaging in exchanges like this, these"}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:22:00", "text": "things are renewing for me. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:02", "text": "sitting down pounding away at the"}, {"start": "01:22:00", "end": "01:22:05", "text": "keyboard or prepping for a shoot."}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:07", "text": "They're more natural for me. And so I've"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:11", "text": "started to abide do less. Although I'll"}, {"start": "01:22:07", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "always hang on to try as my as my motto"}, {"start": "01:22:11", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "because it it it not only pertains to"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "work, but it it pertains to spiritual"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:18", "text": "experiment. I think those can live"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:19", "text": "together."}, {"start": "01:22:18", "end": "01:22:21", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, for sure."}, {"start": "01:22:19", "end": "01:22:23", "text": ">> Is that what made you promise to talk"}, {"start": "01:22:21", "end": "01:22:25", "text": "10% less?"}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:28", "text": ">> Uh well, talking 10% less is something"}, {"start": "01:22:25", "end": "01:22:31", "text": "that will benefit everybody's life"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:33", "text": "because most of the time, most of what"}, {"start": "01:22:31", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "we say is just the chirping of cicas."}, {"start": "01:22:33", "end": "01:22:39", "text": "It's so unnecessary."}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "I think that if people want an immediate"}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:46", "text": "technique for improving self-image,"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:47", "text": "silence. Just say less. Don't"}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:49", "text": "overcompensate."}, {"start": "01:22:47", "end": "01:22:53", "text": "Don't walk into a room and immediately"}, {"start": "01:22:49", "end": "01:22:54", "text": "start trying to influence things. Listen"}, {"start": "01:22:53", "end": "01:22:57", "text": "more carefully to what's going on. Don't"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "throw yourself into relationships too"}, {"start": "01:22:57", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "quickly or invite someone or something"}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:04", "text": "in too quickly. There is almost nothing"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:05", "text": "in a person's life that won't be"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "improved"}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "by talking at least 10% less."}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:18", "text": "When you came back from Monroe, I think"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:19", "text": "you went on Duncan's show and"}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:21", "text": "there were things that you didn't that"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:22", "text": "were so intimate that you would didn't"}, {"start": "01:23:21", "end": "01:23:23", "text": "want to talk about them. Have you ever"}, {"start": "01:23:22", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "shared those?"}, {"start": "01:23:23", "end": "01:23:26", "text": ">> Well, do less was one of the things I"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:27", "text": "want to talk about. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:23:26", "end": "01:23:30", "text": ">> You didn't tell Duncan."}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:32", "text": ">> No, I I didn't want to go into the"}, {"start": "01:23:30", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "specific messages that I had gotten"}, {"start": "01:23:32", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "because they felt too raw, too fresh"}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:40", "text": ">> and um I needed to sit with it for a"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:42", "text": "while. I do disclose things. I encourage"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:45", "text": "people, it's ironic because I encourage"}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:46", "text": "people not to disclose things. If you"}, {"start": "01:23:45", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "put something out there, if you put a"}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:52", "text": "wish out there, someone will destroy it."}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:55", "text": "Someone will take it from you. I with"}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "certain boundaries tend to be very"}, {"start": "01:23:55", "end": "01:24:01", "text": "disclosing because"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:03", "text": "I want to be transparent. We have a"}, {"start": "01:24:01", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "crisis of transparency among spiritual"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "communicators. spiritual communicators,"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "and I know this from 27 years in"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:12", "text": "publishing, having worked with a lot of"}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:14", "text": "the household names,"}, {"start": "01:24:12", "end": "01:24:17", "text": "they're as weak as I am, and they're not"}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:19", "text": "the same people who appear when the"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:21", "text": "camera's on or when the microphone's on"}, {"start": "01:24:19", "end": "01:24:24", "text": "or when the audience is assembled. And"}, {"start": "01:24:21", "end": "01:24:28", "text": "they ought to be because"}, {"start": "01:24:24", "end": "01:24:31", "text": "to hide for the sake of theater is to"}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:35", "text": "misinform people that someone lives on a"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "higher level or a higher echelon. And"}, {"start": "01:24:35", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "that's not true. And"}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:43", "text": "and it's more than just a problem of"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:45", "text": "misleading the audience member. That's"}, {"start": "01:24:43", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "problematic by itself. But there's a"}, {"start": "01:24:45", "end": "01:24:52", "text": "greater problem. And the greater problem"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:55", "text": "is it conceals the"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "severity of the odds that face all of us"}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:25:01", "text": "in matters of self-development. I am not"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:04", "text": "hopeful about humanity. I am not a lover"}, {"start": "01:25:01", "end": "01:25:07", "text": "of humanity. I am a lover of individual"}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "people very few in number."}, {"start": "01:25:07", "end": "01:25:12", "text": ">> Because I think humanity is in"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:14", "text": "horrendous condition. And when I say"}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:16", "text": "prepare for the day when your best"}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "friend betrays you, I mean that. And"}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:20", "text": "that's painful. And I don't like stating"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "such a thing to people."}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:22", "text": ">> If you live long enough, these rules"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "come true."}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:28", "text": ">> They come true."}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:30", "text": ">> And my wish, my deepest wish is for the"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:33", "text": "happiness of the reader. But you can't"}, {"start": "01:25:30", "end": "01:25:35", "text": "have happiness. You can't have ideals"}, {"start": "01:25:33", "end": "01:25:38", "text": "without being very direct with people."}, {"start": "01:25:35", "end": "01:25:40", "text": "and spiritual communicators"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:43", "text": "must be if they're really going to be"}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:47", "text": "serving the human exchange more direct"}, {"start": "01:25:43", "end": "01:25:49", "text": "about their own frailties. So I try to"}, {"start": "01:25:47", "end": "01:25:51", "text": "be transparent"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:53", "text": "in your book and and in a lot of your"}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:55", "text": "work I see a fascination with with"}, {"start": "01:25:53", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "people who have these manufactured"}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "personas whether it's FDR uh Teddy"}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:00", "text": "Roosevelt."}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:04", "text": ">> You're the leather jacket tattooed"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:07", "text": "self-help guy. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:10", "text": ">> Is this a persona? Is how much of Mitch"}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "Horowitz is the leather jacket guy?"}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:14", "text": ">> Are you exempt from it?"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:17", "text": ">> I'm not exempt from anything. I tell"}, {"start": "01:26:14", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "people that if you decide how you want"}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:23", "text": "to be in the world and you pursue that"}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:26", "text": "in terms of environment, selfhood,"}, {"start": "01:26:23", "end": "01:26:29", "text": "that's not wearing a mask. That's"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "dropping a mask. The mask is conformity."}, {"start": "01:26:29", "end": "01:26:34", "text": "I realized at a certain point I had left"}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "a part of my existence behind. And I had"}, {"start": "01:26:34", "end": "01:26:40", "text": "left behind seeing Black Flag when I was"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:42", "text": "17 years old. I had left behind"}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:45", "text": "what thrilled me when I was a kid. I"}, {"start": "01:26:42", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "left behind hearing the dead Kennedy"}, {"start": "01:26:45", "end": "01:26:51", "text": "sing Holiday in Cambodia at age 15 and"}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:55", "text": "knowing what truth was. And so I began"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "to reclaim that. And if that chafed with"}, {"start": "01:26:55", "end": "01:26:59", "text": "new age culture, I don't really care."}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:01", "text": "And if I'm invited to a new age center"}, {"start": "01:26:59", "end": "01:27:03", "text": "where everybody wears white and I'm"}, {"start": "01:27:01", "end": "01:27:07", "text": "walking around like this, which is just"}, {"start": "01:27:03", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "Monday for me, I don't really care. It's"}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:13", "text": "it's who I am. Um, I got a letter once."}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:14", "text": "I still like get goosebumps thinking"}, {"start": "01:27:13", "end": "01:27:15", "text": "about it from Peter Chris, the first"}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "drummer in Kiss."}, {"start": "01:27:15", "end": "01:27:17", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:19", "text": ">> Because I had written about something"}, {"start": "01:27:17", "end": "01:27:22", "text": "Peter said in one of my books."}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:24", "text": ">> He made a fascinating observation. Peter"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:26", "text": "said that the bandmates were, you know,"}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:28", "text": "they were looking around for a sense of"}, {"start": "01:27:26", "end": "01:27:31", "text": "identity when they were young in the"}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:33", "text": "early 70s. And when they when they came"}, {"start": "01:27:31", "end": "01:27:35", "text": "up with the makeup,"}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "he said it was the most incredible thing"}, {"start": "01:27:35", "end": "01:27:40", "text": "because it wasn't like we were hiding."}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:42", "text": "It was like we were revealing ourselves."}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:45", "text": "And he said that Jean Simmons had"}, {"start": "01:27:42", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "confided to him one day that putting on"}, {"start": "01:27:45", "end": "01:27:50", "text": "that demon makeup was for him so"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "self-revealing that if he could, he"}, {"start": "01:27:50", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "would never take it off. And he said"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:57", "text": "that he noticed that when Gene put on"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:58", "text": "his makeup, the roadies and even"}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "audience members and everybody would"}, {"start": "01:27:58", "end": "01:28:02", "text": "sort of step around him a little bit."}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:04", "text": "And he said, you know, we became"}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:07", "text": "ourselves. We became comfortable. We"}, {"start": "01:28:04", "end": "01:28:09", "text": "became relaxed. We became familiar with"}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "ourselves for the first time. We weren't"}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "hiding. We were revealing ourselves. And"}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:15", "text": "so I wrote about this in a book and then"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:18", "text": "I heard from Peter and you I got"}, {"start": "01:28:15", "end": "01:28:22", "text": "hysterical with joy. And I take that as"}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "truth. And I want to suggest to people I"}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:28", "text": "want to suggest to people whatever walk"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:30", "text": "of life you're in, are you really"}, {"start": "01:28:28", "end": "01:28:34", "text": "dressing, acting, comporting yourself"}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:38", "text": "the way you want? And I'm not saying you"}, {"start": "01:28:34", "end": "01:28:40", "text": "should act on it immediately, but know"}, {"start": "01:28:38", "end": "01:28:42", "text": "your preferences. Know your preferences."}, {"start": "01:28:40", "end": "01:28:44", "text": "Get up in the goddamn morning and ask"}, {"start": "01:28:42", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "yourself, is this what I want to wear?"}, {"start": "01:28:44", "end": "01:28:47", "text": "Is this who I want to be? Is this how I"}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "want to sound? Is this how I want my"}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:52", "text": "hair to look? Or whatever it is. Just"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "know, you know, we never even ask"}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:57", "text": "ourselves. We're so sused with with peer"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:59", "text": "pressure and with cultural conformity"}, {"start": "01:28:57", "end": "01:29:02", "text": "and it gets its claws inside of us to"}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:05", "text": "the point where we can't even talk to"}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:08", "text": "ourselves using authentic phrasing that"}, {"start": "01:29:05", "end": "01:29:10", "text": "belongs to us the individual. So know"}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:14", "text": "your preferences start there. It's not"}, {"start": "01:29:10", "end": "01:29:16", "text": "hiding. It's it's revealing."}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:18", "text": ">> That's perfect."}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "Uh I got to spend two days with Jean on"}, {"start": "01:29:18", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "a job and boy I just ate it up. I just"}, {"start": "01:29:21", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "picked his brain every minute of of"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:27", "text": "those days. He was amazing. He was He"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:29", "text": "was great to me."}, {"start": "01:29:27", "end": "01:29:31", "text": ">> I love Kiss and I am forever a"}, {"start": "01:29:29", "end": "01:29:32", "text": "15year-old boy and proudly so."}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:33", "text": ">> Of course,"}, {"start": "01:29:32", "end": "01:29:36", "text": ">> we saw Kiss at Barkley Center in"}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:38", "text": "Brooklyn and oh my god,"}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:39", "text": ">> I think doesn't Ace show up in your work"}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:44", "text": "here and there as well?"}, {"start": "01:29:39", "end": "01:29:45", "text": ">> I love Ace. I love every one of them."}, {"start": "01:29:44", "end": "01:29:47", "text": ">> Just when they took off the makeup, it"}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:48", "text": "was it was jarring to remember that"}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:49", "text": "first album."}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:51", "text": ">> It was a traumatic experience."}, {"start": "01:29:49", "end": "01:29:55", "text": ">> It was. It was. I'm still not used to"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:57", "text": "it. Um, so the book is aimed at the"}, {"start": "01:29:55", "end": "01:30:00", "text": "false self and we've kind of we talked"}, {"start": "01:29:57", "end": "01:30:03", "text": "around it a little bit today. When was"}, {"start": "01:30:00", "end": "01:30:06", "text": "the last time you caught your false self"}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:08", "text": "kind of running your personality? when I"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "talk about things like service or when I"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:13", "text": "start finding myself using language"}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:15", "text": "internally that belongs to the external"}, {"start": "01:30:13", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "spiritual culture. That's why I'm very"}, {"start": "01:30:15", "end": "01:30:24", "text": "careful with words like love or peace or"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:25", "text": "service. I don't want to see anybody"}, {"start": "01:30:24", "end": "01:30:28", "text": "using"}, {"start": "01:30:25", "end": "01:30:31", "text": "terms that come out of the Bartlett's"}, {"start": "01:30:28", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "book of divine quotations or that sound"}, {"start": "01:30:31", "end": "01:30:36", "text": "like they belong to a a business plan"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:41", "text": "from Silicon Valley 25 years ago. I want"}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:43", "text": "to know what I and what the individual"}, {"start": "01:30:41", "end": "01:30:45", "text": "wants."}, {"start": "01:30:43", "end": "01:30:46", "text": "Let's start there. Let's start there."}, {"start": "01:30:45", "end": "01:30:49", "text": "doesn't mean you can act on it"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "immediately, but I write a lot in the"}, {"start": "01:30:49", "end": "01:30:54", "text": "book about knowing your wish. And it"}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:55", "text": "sounds so self-evident, and that's"}, {"start": "01:30:54", "end": "01:30:58", "text": "exactly where to start digging when"}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:31:00", "text": "something sounds self-evident because I"}, {"start": "01:30:58", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "challenge the reader that he or she"}, {"start": "01:31:00", "end": "01:31:06", "text": "doesn't know their wishes because we"}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "internalize peer pressure, including"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:11", "text": "that of our subcultures, and we start to"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:13", "text": "talk about service, make the world a"}, {"start": "01:31:11", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "better place, love humanity, and so on"}, {"start": "01:31:13", "end": "01:31:17", "text": "and so forth. I'm interested in conduct."}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:19", "text": "I'm not interested in pretty"}, {"start": "01:31:17", "end": "01:31:21", "text": "praiseiology. And I've had"}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:24", "text": ">> I want to be rich so I can start a"}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:26", "text": "charity. I want to be famous so I can"}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:29", "text": "influence. That's dishonest,"}, {"start": "01:31:26", "end": "01:31:30", "text": ">> right? It's dishonest unless one really"}, {"start": "01:31:29", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "means it. And if you really mean it,"}, {"start": "01:31:30", "end": "01:31:34", "text": "well then bravo. Be my guest. But"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:36", "text": ">> so if you want to be rich, just say it."}, {"start": "01:31:34", "end": "01:31:38", "text": ">> Know that you do. Say it. And for God's"}, {"start": "01:31:36", "end": "01:31:40", "text": "sake, money does a lot of good things."}, {"start": "01:31:38", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "It educates children. It takes your"}, {"start": "01:31:40", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "family members on trips. It replaces the"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:47", "text": "roof in a house. It's it's necessary."}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:50", "text": "So, let's start from stark honesty. A"}, {"start": "01:31:47", "end": "01:31:52", "text": "wish, if it's authentic, should feel a"}, {"start": "01:31:50", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "little embarrassing because we are so"}, {"start": "01:31:52", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "induced by our subcultures to use a"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:31:59", "text": "language that is not our own. We were"}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:02", "text": "talking about this earlier with the idea"}, {"start": "01:31:59", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "of quoting from translations of"}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:06", "text": "translations of translations of wisdom"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:08", "text": "literature that we can't even access in"}, {"start": "01:32:06", "end": "01:32:11", "text": "the originals. The originals may not"}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:13", "text": "exist. We call it tradition. It's"}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:16", "text": "custom. It's not always custom. Often"}, {"start": "01:32:13", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "it's habit. Let's give ourselves a"}, {"start": "01:32:16", "end": "01:32:22", "text": "break. Give ourselves a break in"}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:25", "text": "private. Dispense with habit. Dispense"}, {"start": "01:32:22", "end": "01:32:26", "text": "with custom. And in an atmosphere of"}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:29", "text": "exquisite privacy within your own"}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:33", "text": "psyche, the only domain of privacy left"}, {"start": "01:32:29", "end": "01:32:36", "text": "in our interconnected culture."}, {"start": "01:32:33", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "Speak to yourself for real about what"}, {"start": "01:32:36", "end": "01:32:40", "text": "you want. I'm not saying you're going to"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:42", "text": "act on it immediately. I'm not saying"}, {"start": "01:32:40", "end": "01:32:44", "text": "you're even going to like it, but at"}, {"start": "01:32:42", "end": "01:32:47", "text": "least know. Don't be a stranger to"}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:51", "text": "yourself. Because I think past a certain"}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "age, maybe age nine, a kid is so"}, {"start": "01:32:51", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "suffused with peer pressure that the"}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:59", "text": "outer world and its subcultures just get"}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:01", "text": "their claws in us and we can't even talk"}, {"start": "01:32:59", "end": "01:33:05", "text": "to ourselves in a real way anymore"}, {"start": "01:33:01", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "within. I also counsel deep privacy"}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:09", "text": "because if you arrive at your wish and"}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:11", "text": "it's something I hope a person does and"}, {"start": "01:33:09", "end": "01:33:12", "text": "you share it with someone else, they"}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:13", "text": "will destroy it."}, {"start": "01:33:12", "end": "01:33:15", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:17", "text": ">> they will because it's not what's inside"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:20", "text": "them. And we as a human community just"}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:22", "text": "love making rules and we love slamming"}, {"start": "01:33:20", "end": "01:33:24", "text": "doors on one another's fingers. And I"}, {"start": "01:33:22", "end": "01:33:26", "text": "can't tell you the number of times the"}, {"start": "01:33:24", "end": "01:33:29", "text": "people who have spoken to me of service"}, {"start": "01:33:26", "end": "01:33:32", "text": "and love and I'm your best friend, I've"}, {"start": "01:33:29", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "still got the shivs in my back from"}, {"start": "01:33:32", "end": "01:33:37", "text": "those times. So, let's let the pretty"}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:39", "text": "language go for a minute. Let's let the"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:42", "text": "pretty quotations and the customary"}, {"start": "01:33:39", "end": "01:33:44", "text": "ideas that divines all over the internet"}, {"start": "01:33:42", "end": "01:33:46", "text": "can repeat. Let's let that go for a"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:48", "text": "minute. Forget the comments section."}, {"start": "01:33:46", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "This is about the individual. What does"}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "the individual want within his or her"}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "psyche? Well, can we just quickly go"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "through the the nine steps because"}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:33:59", "text": "people need to know that your book is"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "it's a practical guide."}, {"start": "01:33:59", "end": "01:34:05", "text": ">> We've got the nine steps is the wish."}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:07", "text": ">> Ask what you truly want. Um ends not the"}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "means."}, {"start": "01:34:07", "end": "01:34:09", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:34:07", "end": "01:34:13", "text": ">> that's interest. That's interesting to"}, {"start": "01:34:09", "end": "01:34:14", "text": "me because you're not focusing on I"}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:16", "text": "forget what you even used in the book,"}, {"start": "01:34:14", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "but it was if you're picturing yourself"}, {"start": "01:34:16", "end": "01:34:19", "text": "playing"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:21", "text": "in an arena."}, {"start": "01:34:19", "end": "01:34:24", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. You don't picture the guitar"}, {"start": "01:34:21", "end": "01:34:27", "text": "lessons, you focus on the arena."}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:28", "text": ">> And and and in conjunction with that, I"}, {"start": "01:34:27", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "would say that we can't choose the"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:33", "text": "conditions by which something reaches"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:36", "text": "us. And we have to be flexible about"}, {"start": "01:34:33", "end": "01:34:38", "text": "those conditions. I did not plan on"}, {"start": "01:34:36", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "getting fired and hired by a new age"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:42", "text": "publisher. That wasn't in the business"}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:45", "text": "plan. But that's what allowed me to"}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:48", "text": "rediscover myself as a writer. And that"}, {"start": "01:34:45", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "feeds into what I was saying about"}, {"start": "01:34:48", "end": "01:34:55", "text": "parables and myths. in which"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "God's spiritual messengers, genies come"}, {"start": "01:34:55", "end": "01:35:01", "text": "to you as a disguised stranger, an"}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:04", "text": "unbidden stranger. Let those strangers"}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:06", "text": "in. We throw away incredible miracles,"}, {"start": "01:35:04", "end": "01:35:09", "text": "incredible gifts because they don't fit"}, {"start": "01:35:06", "end": "01:35:12", "text": "our mind's eye picture of what we think"}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:14", "text": "we want. The philosopher Jacob Needleman"}, {"start": "01:35:12", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "was a mentor to me and he once said to"}, {"start": "01:35:14", "end": "01:35:19", "text": "me, \"What do you do when someone offers"}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:22", "text": "you a gift?\" and brilliant student I"}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:25", "text": "was. I stared at him blankly and he"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:27", "text": "said, \"You accept it. You accept it.\""}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "And we throw away extraordinary gifts"}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:31", "text": "all the time. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:34", "text": ">> Because they don't fit our mind's eye"}, {"start": "01:35:31", "end": "01:35:36", "text": "image. So flexibility."}, {"start": "01:35:34", "end": "01:35:38", "text": ">> That was that was the one was very"}, {"start": "01:35:36", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "striking to me. Um speak it, hold the"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:41", "text": "wish, say it out loud to yourself."}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:43", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:35:41", "end": "01:35:43", "text": ">> Um the talisman."}, {"start": "01:35:43", "end": "01:35:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:43", "end": "01:35:48", "text": ">> So write it down, protect it."}, {"start": "01:35:46", "end": "01:35:50", "text": ">> Yep. and hide it."}, {"start": "01:35:48", "end": "01:35:52", "text": ">> Write the wish down. Write a"}, {"start": "01:35:50", "end": "01:35:56", "text": "well-focused, passionately felt, and"}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:59", "text": "exquisitely honest wish down on a little"}, {"start": "01:35:56", "end": "01:36:01", "text": "card or something. Put it in the old"}, {"start": "01:35:59", "end": "01:36:04", "text": "clear packing tape. I'm a big fan of"}, {"start": "01:36:01", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "clear packing tape. Say that. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:36:04", "end": "01:36:09", "text": ">> Treat that wish. Carry that wish with"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "you like you were carrying a candle in a"}, {"start": "01:36:09", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "rainstorm. Make it real. Make it real."}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:16", "text": "And dig this. It may seem like, oh, for"}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:20", "text": "God's sake, Haro is with his"}, {"start": "01:36:16", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "index cards. But trust me on this. Once"}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:24", "text": "you've taken that step, you've created"}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:28", "text": "something that wasn't there before in"}, {"start": "01:36:24", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "nency, in particle form, but the honest"}, {"start": "01:36:28", "end": "01:36:34", "text": "rendering of that wish privately on that"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:36", "text": "little card creates something in"}, {"start": "01:36:34", "end": "01:36:38", "text": "particulate form that wasn't there"}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:41", "text": "before. I value that. That's the whole"}, {"start": "01:36:38", "end": "01:36:44", "text": "basis of chaos theory and chaos magic."}, {"start": "01:36:41", "end": "01:36:46", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:36:44", "end": "01:36:47", "text": "Step five is rehearse it. Run it through"}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:49", "text": "your mind."}, {"start": "01:36:47", "end": "01:36:49", "text": ">> Petition. Live with it."}, {"start": "01:36:49", "end": "01:36:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:36:49", "end": "01:36:53", "text": ">> Pray for it. Petition whatever greater"}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:55", "text": "force you seek. If none appeal to the"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:58", "text": "infinite matter of chaos."}, {"start": "01:36:55", "end": "01:37:00", "text": ">> Hypnogogia. Hypnogogic state. That's"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "interesting as well because once again"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:02", "text": "we're in practical application."}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:02", "end": "01:37:07", "text": ">> So for those who don't know what is the"}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "hypnogogic state? Hypnogogia is a deeply"}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:11", "text": "relaxed state that we all enter twice a"}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "day just as we're falling to sleep at"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:17", "text": "night and just as we're coming to in the"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "morning. This is a state that was first"}, {"start": "01:37:17", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "described although not in that term by a"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:26", "text": "French mind theorist Emil Kuay who was"}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "very popular in the early 20th century."}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:33", "text": "He's a hero to me. Kuay is famous for"}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:35", "text": "having prescribed a mantra day by day in"}, {"start": "01:37:33", "end": "01:37:37", "text": "every way I am getting better and better"}, {"start": "01:37:35", "end": "01:37:39", "text": "and critics would howl and make fun of"}, {"start": "01:37:37", "end": "01:37:41", "text": "him and say how could anything so"}, {"start": "01:37:39", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "childish make any difference in"}, {"start": "01:37:41", "end": "01:37:47", "text": "anybody's life but what they missed was"}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "how Kuay prescribed using it in this"}, {"start": "01:37:47", "end": "01:37:52", "text": "state of hypnogogia a term that didn't"}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:57", "text": "come into use until several generations"}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:38:00", "text": "later in the 1980s Kuay died in 1926"}, {"start": "01:37:57", "end": "01:38:02", "text": "hyp Hypnogogia is this exquisitely"}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "relaxed state that you enter again just"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:08", "text": "as falling to sleep, just as coming to."}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:12", "text": "It's a state of bodily heaviliness, he"}, {"start": "01:38:08", "end": "01:38:14", "text": "heaviness, almost bodily paralysis."}, {"start": "01:38:12", "end": "01:38:17", "text": "You may experience waking dreams. You"}, {"start": "01:38:14", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "may experience hallucinations."}, {"start": "01:38:17", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "Your rational defenses are lowered, but"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:27", "text": "you still have active cognition. Use"}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:30", "text": "that time. Use that time to say a"}, {"start": "01:38:27", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "prayer, make a visualization,"}, {"start": "01:38:30", "end": "01:38:34", "text": "make an affirmation. Kuay called this"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:37", "text": "conscious auto suggestion. It's a kind"}, {"start": "01:38:34", "end": "01:38:39", "text": "of self-hypnosis. Now, he was very"}, {"start": "01:38:37", "end": "01:38:42", "text": "adamant about not being a spiritual"}, {"start": "01:38:39", "end": "01:38:44", "text": "figure. He was trying to separate"}, {"start": "01:38:42", "end": "01:38:46", "text": "hypnosis as a therapeutic art from"}, {"start": "01:38:44", "end": "01:38:49", "text": "anything to do with the occult or"}, {"start": "01:38:46", "end": "01:38:50", "text": "esoteric. So, so be it. So be it."}, {"start": "01:38:49", "end": "01:38:51", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "01:38:50", "end": "01:38:53", "text": ">> but in that state, you are very"}, {"start": "01:38:51", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "suggestive. You are very suggestive and"}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "it has proven in the 1970s and 80s in"}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:39:01", "text": "experiments called the Gansfeld"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:04", "text": "experiments which are bulletproof to be"}, {"start": "01:39:01", "end": "01:39:06", "text": "prime time for telepathy that if you"}, {"start": "01:39:04", "end": "01:39:10", "text": "induce someone into this state of"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:13", "text": "relaxation this semi-sleep state uh"}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:17", "text": "statistically incidences of telepathy"}, {"start": "01:39:13", "end": "01:39:20", "text": "spike and this data has been published"}, {"start": "01:39:17", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "pondered over metaanalyzed to the ends"}, {"start": "01:39:20", "end": "01:39:23", "text": "of the earth it's unpolluted And it's"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:26", "text": "bulletproof."}, {"start": "01:39:23", "end": "01:39:28", "text": ">> Even even the best skeptics agreed and"}, {"start": "01:39:26", "end": "01:39:29", "text": "we have precious few of them today and"}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:30", "text": "you ain't going to find them on"}, {"start": "01:39:29", "end": "01:39:30", "text": "Wikipedia."}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:35", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:37", "text": ">> Um anyway, there is an extra physical"}, {"start": "01:39:35", "end": "01:39:39", "text": "aspect to this state and it's so simple."}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:42", "text": "It's so simple because everybody answers"}, {"start": "01:39:39", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "it twice a day. Use that time to run"}, {"start": "01:39:42", "end": "01:39:47", "text": "your wish through your head. That's a"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:50", "text": "period of special suggestive power. I"}, {"start": "01:39:47", "end": "01:39:53", "text": "believe a period of unique extra"}, {"start": "01:39:50", "end": "01:39:55", "text": "physical possibility."}, {"start": "01:39:53", "end": "01:39:57", "text": "And a lot of people who suffer from"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:40:00", "text": "grief will describe the early morning"}, {"start": "01:39:57", "end": "01:40:01", "text": "hours as the toughest time of day. And"}, {"start": "01:40:00", "end": "01:40:03", "text": "that's because our rational defenses are"}, {"start": "01:40:01", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "down. And things that we're afraid of or"}, {"start": "01:40:03", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "we're grieving of."}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:09", "text": ">> They grip us when those rational"}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:12", "text": "defenses are down. And then the workday"}, {"start": "01:40:09", "end": "01:40:13", "text": "comes and we realize this wasn't so bad."}, {"start": "01:40:12", "end": "01:40:16", "text": "This"}, {"start": "01:40:13", "end": "01:40:18", "text": "so hypnogogia can be a fearsome time."}, {"start": "01:40:16", "end": "01:40:21", "text": "But it's also a time of great potential"}, {"start": "01:40:18", "end": "01:40:23", "text": "if we use it. So use it to repeat one's"}, {"start": "01:40:21", "end": "01:40:25", "text": "wish. When those rational defenses are"}, {"start": "01:40:23", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "down, there's the possibility of a real"}, {"start": "01:40:25", "end": "01:40:28", "text": "penetration."}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:29", "text": ">> And step eight is silence."}, {"start": "01:40:28", "end": "01:40:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:40:29", "end": "01:40:33", "text": ">> How does that work?"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:37", "text": ">> The first of all, we talk about things"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:39", "text": "in order to dilute them. We talk to our"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "shrinks. We talk to our friends. He"}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "said, she said to dilute them. And"}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:44", "text": "sometimes that's necessary. But you"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "don't want to bring that quality of"}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:49", "text": "dilution to your wish. Keep your wish"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:52", "text": "silent. If there is one law that runs"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:54", "text": "through occultism, it is the power of"}, {"start": "01:40:52", "end": "01:40:57", "text": "silence. There's great wisdom in that."}, {"start": "01:40:54", "end": "01:41:00", "text": "We talk to dissipate. We talk to"}, {"start": "01:40:57", "end": "01:41:02", "text": "disperse. We're silent to concentrate,"}, {"start": "01:41:00", "end": "01:41:05", "text": "to focus. You'll see that law repeated"}, {"start": "01:41:02", "end": "01:41:08", "text": "in nature. We can wave air currents with"}, {"start": "01:41:05", "end": "01:41:09", "text": "our hands, but a focused air current can"}, {"start": "01:41:08", "end": "01:41:12", "text": "have the power of a bullet."}, {"start": "01:41:09", "end": "01:41:13", "text": ">> As above, so below. abide that in the"}, {"start": "01:41:12", "end": "01:41:15", "text": "psyche."}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:18", "text": ">> Well, let's take a quick break and we'll"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:20", "text": "come back and talk about how you maybe"}, {"start": "01:41:18", "end": "01:41:20", "text": "have convinced me I'm a left path"}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:22", "text": "Satanist."}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:25", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:27", "text": ">> So, I think you use occult esoteric and"}, {"start": "01:41:25", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "Satanism as a way to kind of badger"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:33", "text": "people. Is that cuz you because you"}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:34", "text": "won't disavow. You say I'm a Satanist"}, {"start": "01:41:33", "end": "01:41:36", "text": "and that's that. And you and you kind of"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:38", "text": "leave it there without a definition"}, {"start": "01:41:36", "end": "01:41:40", "text": "because when I hear your definition of"}, {"start": "01:41:38", "end": "01:41:42", "text": "those words, it's like I might be a"}, {"start": "01:41:40", "end": "01:41:44", "text": "Satanist, too."}, {"start": "01:41:42", "end": "01:41:47", "text": ">> What I'm trying to do and and I'm trying"}, {"start": "01:41:44", "end": "01:41:49", "text": "to do it as transparently as possible"}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:53", "text": "because I I do write a lot in the book"}, {"start": "01:41:49", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "about the historicism behind this is I"}, {"start": "01:41:53", "end": "01:42:01", "text": "am trying to push back at centuries of"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:04", "text": "conditioning around our religious models"}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:06", "text": "and ideas. For example, if I use the"}, {"start": "01:42:04", "end": "01:42:08", "text": "word demon, everyone has the same"}, {"start": "01:42:06", "end": "01:42:09", "text": "association with that word. Something"}, {"start": "01:42:08", "end": "01:42:13", "text": "evil, scary, terrible that will possess"}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:17", "text": "you. Well, the original Greek demon or"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "Latin don was a neutral term. It just"}, {"start": "01:42:17", "end": "01:42:22", "text": "meant a kind of workerbe spirit like a"}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "jin or a genie. In Arab culture, we use"}, {"start": "01:42:22", "end": "01:42:26", "text": "the term angel. And we all have the same"}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:29", "text": "association. I may as well be using the"}, {"start": "01:42:26", "end": "01:42:31", "text": "term Snow White. Everybody sees the"}, {"start": "01:42:29", "end": "01:42:33", "text": "Disney cartoon even though the myth of"}, {"start": "01:42:31", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "Snow White is centuries older than the"}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:38", "text": "Disney cartoon. So Angel is Greek for"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:42", "text": "messenger and that's benign whereas the"}, {"start": "01:42:38", "end": "01:42:45", "text": "other is bad. All I'm trying to do is to"}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:49", "text": "take a sledgehammer to this conformity"}, {"start": "01:42:45", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "and conditioning. The early Hebrews had"}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:55", "text": "a concept of haatan or the Satan which"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:58", "text": "was sometimes translated as the"}, {"start": "01:42:55", "end": "01:43:00", "text": "adversary or the prosecutor or the"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:02", "text": "disturber. This is the friction of"}, {"start": "01:43:00", "end": "01:43:05", "text": "creativity without which we wouldn't be"}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:09", "text": "ourselves. This is the friction that"}, {"start": "01:43:05", "end": "01:43:10", "text": "refineses us when we suffer. I talked"}, {"start": "01:43:09", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "about the experience of being fired and"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:17", "text": "what that led me to. The mythical"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:21", "text": "although I would say also veritable"}, {"start": "01:43:17", "end": "01:43:24", "text": "force of those experiences is what the"}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:28", "text": "primeval Hebrews referred to asaton."}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:31", "text": "I am trying to strip the bark off of"}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:35", "text": "these conformities and give people a"}, {"start": "01:43:31", "end": "01:43:38", "text": "vocabulary that is their own that is"}, {"start": "01:43:35", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "free from centuries and centuries of"}, {"start": "01:43:38", "end": "01:43:44", "text": "customary usage. I am trying in"}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:46", "text": "esoterica although as you've rightly"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:49", "text": "said it's a very practical book it's"}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:52", "text": "very hands-on book underlying the"}, {"start": "01:43:49", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "techniques and the practicality is my"}, {"start": "01:43:52", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "effort to"}, {"start": "01:43:57", "end": "01:44:02", "text": "strip away"}, {"start": "01:43:59", "end": "01:44:06", "text": "centuries if not millennia of customary"}, {"start": "01:44:02", "end": "01:44:08", "text": "usage and try to recover the threads and"}, {"start": "01:44:06", "end": "01:44:12", "text": "the fragments because that's really all"}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:15", "text": "that we have of our earliest"}, {"start": "01:44:12", "end": "01:44:16", "text": "spiritual practice among our most"}, {"start": "01:44:15", "end": "01:44:19", "text": "primeval"}, {"start": "01:44:16", "end": "01:44:21", "text": "ancestors even including Neanderthal men"}, {"start": "01:44:19", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "and women who did have a spirituality"}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:28", "text": "that would be somewhat recognizable to"}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:31", "text": "us today. I want to get to a sense of"}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:34", "text": "this fragmentaryary realization and what"}, {"start": "01:44:31", "end": "01:44:38", "text": "it meant best as we can tell to the deep"}, {"start": "01:44:34", "end": "01:44:41", "text": "ancients before our conformist"}, {"start": "01:44:38", "end": "01:44:43", "text": "acculturation process got hold of it."}, {"start": "01:44:41", "end": "01:44:45", "text": ">> I people don't know that Neanderthalss"}, {"start": "01:44:43", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "had art and music and"}, {"start": "01:44:45", "end": "01:44:49", "text": ">> extraordinary. It's amazing."}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> Neanderthal men and women had statuary"}, {"start": "01:44:49", "end": "01:44:54", "text": "which in the mid-9th century got termed"}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "Venus figurines. They're little bulbous"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:45:01", "text": "female forms and they are thought to"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:04", "text": "have been either a mother goddess or a"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:06", "text": "fertility goddess. They had talismans,"}, {"start": "01:45:04", "end": "01:45:09", "text": "things that we would recognize like"}, {"start": "01:45:06", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "eagle talents or bear claws that were"}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:13", "text": "presumably for help with the hunt. We"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:15", "text": "would look at these things in the 21st"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "century and we can recognize this"}, {"start": "01:45:15", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "statuary. We can recognize these"}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "talismans. I'm wearing a scarab around"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:25", "text": "my neck. And it's extraordinary that"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:27", "text": "these are our closest prehuman"}, {"start": "01:45:25", "end": "01:45:30", "text": "ancestors. A lot like us,"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:34", "text": ">> but not us. Not us. And it suggests that"}, {"start": "01:45:30", "end": "01:45:37", "text": "spirituality itself, extraysicality,"}, {"start": "01:45:34", "end": "01:45:42", "text": "is not conditioned. It's it's realized."}, {"start": "01:45:37", "end": "01:45:42", "text": "It goes back to prehuman history."}, {"start": "01:45:42", "end": "01:45:45", "text": ">> I think people will be surprised to know"}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:48", "text": "that you have a great respect for"}, {"start": "01:45:45", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "Catholicism and"}, {"start": "01:45:48", "end": "01:45:51", "text": "Really most religions you speak very"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:54", "text": "highly of. Didn't you say that"}, {"start": "01:45:51", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "Catholicism was closest to the most"}, {"start": "01:45:54", "end": "01:45:57", "text": "perfect religion or something like that?"}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:59", "text": ">> The universal religion. Yeah. We have to"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "remember first of all I love Catholicism"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:02", "text": "and I would never say a word against"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:04", "text": "Catholicism which always surprises"}, {"start": "01:46:02", "end": "01:46:07", "text": "people because they think Horowitz is so"}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:10", "text": "heterodox and I may be heterodox but I"}, {"start": "01:46:07", "end": "01:46:11", "text": "also have ideals and I I love that"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:13", "text": "tradition and I feel in some ways that"}, {"start": "01:46:11", "end": "01:46:15", "text": "tradition saved my life."}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:16", "text": ">> Um it's not my commitment."}, {"start": "01:46:15", "end": "01:46:19", "text": ">> How did it save your life? I went"}, {"start": "01:46:16", "end": "01:46:24", "text": "through a time of terrible emotional"}, {"start": "01:46:19", "end": "01:46:27", "text": "suffering and I practiced a very steady"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:29", "text": "act of saint veneration to St. Jude and"}, {"start": "01:46:27", "end": "01:46:32", "text": "I feel like there was a real opening in"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "my life on account of that. Now my"}, {"start": "01:46:32", "end": "01:46:41", "text": "approach is that Catholicism is a kind"}, {"start": "01:46:37", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "of vessel of the universal religion. By"}, {"start": "01:46:41", "end": "01:46:50", "text": "which I mean this was the final"}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:53", "text": "outcropping of a Roman culture of faith"}, {"start": "01:46:50", "end": "01:46:56", "text": "which itself was the final outcropping"}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "of Greco Egyptian religion. The"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:47:01", "text": "Egyptian, the Persian, the Mediterranean"}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:05", "text": "faiths,"}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:07", "text": "North African faiths were reconfigured"}, {"start": "01:47:05", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "within Hellenic culture. Helenic culture"}, {"start": "01:47:07", "end": "01:47:13", "text": "was reconfigured in its final expression"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:18", "text": "by Rome and Catholicism with St."}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:21", "text": "Veneration uh with the the boy savior uh"}, {"start": "01:47:18", "end": "01:47:22", "text": "the earth mother you can call it Isis"}, {"start": "01:47:21", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "and Horus, you can call it Mary and"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:28", "text": "Jesus. It was a a vessel for this"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:30", "text": "universal religion. And I think that in"}, {"start": "01:47:28", "end": "01:47:32", "text": "quarters where you find hatred or"}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:35", "text": "conspiracy theories for Catholicism,"}, {"start": "01:47:32", "end": "01:47:36", "text": "it's it's because of that because it's"}, {"start": "01:47:35", "end": "01:47:41", "text": "that last"}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:44", "text": "vouch saving of a universal faith and I"}, {"start": "01:47:41", "end": "01:47:45", "text": "enter it and I approach it as such."}, {"start": "01:47:44", "end": "01:47:47", "text": ">> I believe you. I'm not very religious,"}, {"start": "01:47:45", "end": "01:47:48", "text": "but I think St. Michael saved my life"}, {"start": "01:47:47", "end": "01:47:49", "text": "and I've been wearing his shield ever"}, {"start": "01:47:48", "end": "01:47:51", "text": "since that day."}, {"start": "01:47:49", "end": "01:47:53", "text": ">> I noticed that. I was going to ask you"}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:54", "text": "about that very thing. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:53", "end": "01:47:57", "text": "Um yeah, I was going through a hard time"}, {"start": "01:47:54", "end": "01:48:00", "text": "and uh I just found myself in a Catholic"}, {"start": "01:47:57", "end": "01:48:02", "text": "church and suddenly felt better. It was"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:04", "text": "church was empty and I was in St."}, {"start": "01:48:02", "end": "01:48:05", "text": "Michael's row and I just I don't know I"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:07", "text": "felt some I felt something."}, {"start": "01:48:05", "end": "01:48:10", "text": ">> One has to listen to these things."}, {"start": "01:48:07", "end": "01:48:12", "text": "Again, it's the disguised stranger"}, {"start": "01:48:10", "end": "01:48:16", "text": "coming to us. I discovered the"}, {"start": "01:48:12", "end": "01:48:18", "text": "miraculous medal uh the image of of Mary"}, {"start": "01:48:16", "end": "01:48:20", "text": "from visions by Katherine Labberet in a"}, {"start": "01:48:18", "end": "01:48:23", "text": "bookstore in New York City that was run"}, {"start": "01:48:20", "end": "01:48:26", "text": "by the Paulines and they are they are a"}, {"start": "01:48:23", "end": "01:48:29", "text": "devout order of nuns who maintain a"}, {"start": "01:48:26", "end": "01:48:32", "text": "media ministry. Now unfortunately in our"}, {"start": "01:48:29", "end": "01:48:34", "text": "world today bookstores like the Paul"}, {"start": "01:48:32", "end": "01:48:38", "text": "Pauline's bookstore have closed in New"}, {"start": "01:48:34", "end": "01:48:40", "text": "York City. Somehow I can spend $40 on a"}, {"start": "01:48:38", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "pretzel at a concert, but I can't"}, {"start": "01:48:40", "end": "01:48:44", "text": "support the Paulines. And the tragedy is"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:46", "text": "if you don't have those places,"}, {"start": "01:48:44", "end": "01:48:48", "text": "someone's not going to discover St."}, {"start": "01:48:46", "end": "01:48:49", "text": "Michael or the Miraculous Medal or St."}, {"start": "01:48:48", "end": "01:48:52", "text": "Jude. And of course, we could be talking"}, {"start": "01:48:49", "end": "01:48:54", "text": "about any number of faith traditions."}, {"start": "01:48:52", "end": "01:48:56", "text": ">> And we just piss away so much money in"}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:48:59", "text": "this society. I hear about this place"}, {"start": "01:48:56", "end": "01:49:01", "text": "closing and that place closing. Plenty"}, {"start": "01:48:59", "end": "01:49:03", "text": "of money around. We We just piss it away"}, {"start": "01:49:01", "end": "01:49:03", "text": "in places that that don't matter very"}, {"start": "01:49:03", "end": "01:49:05", "text": "much."}, {"start": "01:49:03", "end": "01:49:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:49:05", "end": "01:49:10", "text": "Well, then what is Satanism to to you?"}, {"start": "01:49:08", "end": "01:49:12", "text": "What what is everyone getting wrong?"}, {"start": "01:49:10", "end": "01:49:15", "text": "Because I don't hear anything evil."}, {"start": "01:49:12", "end": "01:49:18", "text": ">> It's not a religion of maleficence or"}, {"start": "01:49:15", "end": "01:49:19", "text": "cruelty or evil. Of course, there are"}, {"start": "01:49:18", "end": "01:49:22", "text": "all kinds of different practices as"}, {"start": "01:49:19", "end": "01:49:25", "text": "there are different individuals. But as"}, {"start": "01:49:22", "end": "01:49:27", "text": "I see it and the way I speak of it"}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "classically,"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:34", "text": "it is the abiding of radical"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:38", "text": "questioning, nonconformity,"}, {"start": "01:49:34", "end": "01:49:42", "text": "upending received notions, saying no to"}, {"start": "01:49:38", "end": "01:49:44", "text": "being told this is the way something is,"}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:46", "text": "but saying I'm going to verify this for"}, {"start": "01:49:44", "end": "01:49:48", "text": "myself. And I do think I'm not an"}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:50", "text": "atheist."}, {"start": "01:49:48", "end": "01:49:52", "text": "I'm not a materialist. I do think"}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "there's a metaphysical aspect to the"}, {"start": "01:49:52", "end": "01:49:59", "text": "satanic. And I do think that one can"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:50:02", "text": "seek a relationship with the being whom"}, {"start": "01:49:59", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "the ancient Hebrews calledatan"}, {"start": "01:50:02", "end": "01:50:07", "text": "or in the Bible there is reference as we"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "were discussing earlier to the so-called"}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:14", "text": "demon, a word we're not supposed to use,"}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "Azazelle. And I think that the"}, {"start": "01:50:14", "end": "01:50:18", "text": "individual"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "is much freer and is possessed of much"}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:23", "text": "greater options than he or she believes."}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:25", "text": "Most people will hear this and reject it"}, {"start": "01:50:23", "end": "01:50:28", "text": "outright. Most people will hear this and"}, {"start": "01:50:25", "end": "01:50:30", "text": "say, \"He is leading us into predition."}, {"start": "01:50:28", "end": "01:50:34", "text": "Don't listen to this guy. This goes to a"}, {"start": "01:50:30", "end": "01:50:35", "text": "terrible place.\" How do I know that?"}, {"start": "01:50:34", "end": "01:50:38", "text": "That's centuries and centuries and"}, {"start": "01:50:35", "end": "01:50:39", "text": "century centuries of conditioning"}, {"start": "01:50:38", "end": "01:50:41", "text": "speaking. Again,"}, {"start": "01:50:39", "end": "01:50:42", "text": ">> I can't use Satanist in the title of"}, {"start": "01:50:41", "end": "01:50:43", "text": "this episode."}, {"start": "01:50:42", "end": "01:50:46", "text": ">> Cannot. I cannot."}, {"start": "01:50:43", "end": "01:50:48", "text": ">> It will take all the oxygen out of the"}, {"start": "01:50:46", "end": "01:50:51", "text": "room. And listen, this effort that I'm"}, {"start": "01:50:48", "end": "01:50:57", "text": "making, it may fail. I am trying to"}, {"start": "01:50:51", "end": "01:51:02", "text": "bring a degree of upending reasoning to"}, {"start": "01:50:57", "end": "01:51:04", "text": "our faith traditions. And the term"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:07", "text": "Satan, as it's used in modern"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:08", "text": "parliament, is too great a windmill even"}, {"start": "01:51:07", "end": "01:51:11", "text": "for me to tilt at. Sure."}, {"start": "01:51:08", "end": "01:51:14", "text": ">> But as I often say to people, you don't"}, {"start": "01:51:11", "end": "01:51:15", "text": "turn back once you've begun an errand in"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "the classical sense. And that's my"}, {"start": "01:51:15", "end": "01:51:20", "text": "commitment. And if I were trying to kiss"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "up to the room, if I were trying to kiss"}, {"start": "01:51:20", "end": "01:51:24", "text": "up to the audience, I wouldn't talk"}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "about it at all. But I want people to"}, {"start": "01:51:24", "end": "01:51:29", "text": "have a sense of options. And even people"}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:32", "text": "who don't like me and don't like my"}, {"start": "01:51:29", "end": "01:51:34", "text": "ideas, maybe maybe they'll capture a"}, {"start": "01:51:32", "end": "01:51:36", "text": "glimpse of the fact that if there's some"}, {"start": "01:51:34", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "guy out there on the margins saying the"}, {"start": "01:51:36", "end": "01:51:42", "text": "things I say, it affords them more room"}, {"start": "01:51:40", "end": "01:51:43", "text": "for their own search and I'll settle for"}, {"start": "01:51:42", "end": "01:51:45", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:51:43", "end": "01:51:47", "text": ">> Have you ever lost any speaking gigs or"}, {"start": "01:51:45", "end": "01:51:49", "text": "anything because you refuse to you have?"}, {"start": "01:51:47", "end": "01:51:52", "text": ">> Absolutely. I was kicked out of a new"}, {"start": "01:51:49", "end": "01:51:54", "text": "age organization with whom I had years"}, {"start": "01:51:52", "end": "01:51:58", "text": "of gainful collaboration. I had written"}, {"start": "01:51:54", "end": "01:52:00", "text": "a book for them as a fundraiser. I had"}, {"start": "01:51:58", "end": "01:52:02", "text": "nothing but friendly relations and"}, {"start": "01:52:00", "end": "01:52:04", "text": "somebody there started a whispering"}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:07", "text": "campaign against me. Next thing I knew,"}, {"start": "01:52:04", "end": "01:52:09", "text": "I was expelled. I was scrubbed from the"}, {"start": "01:52:07", "end": "01:52:11", "text": "website and so on. There was a free"}, {"start": "01:52:09", "end": "01:52:12", "text": "Masonic lodge that canceled to talk on"}, {"start": "01:52:11", "end": "01:52:14", "text": "me. These are only the things I know"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:16", "text": "about. I'm sure there's lots of other"}, {"start": "01:52:14", "end": "01:52:19", "text": "things I don't know about. But the fact"}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:22", "text": "is when I look at people I admire,"}, {"start": "01:52:19", "end": "01:52:25", "text": "people whose shoulders we stand on, they"}, {"start": "01:52:22", "end": "01:52:28", "text": "suffered far greater calumny than I have"}, {"start": "01:52:25", "end": "01:52:30", "text": "to defend their own beliefs. I spoke of"}, {"start": "01:52:28", "end": "01:52:33", "text": "becoming a writer because I wanted to"}, {"start": "01:52:30", "end": "01:52:34", "text": "defend the lives of spiritual messengers"}, {"start": "01:52:33", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "who I thought were disparaged in the"}, {"start": "01:52:34", "end": "01:52:41", "text": "mainstream. Those are my heroes. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:52:38", "end": "01:52:43", "text": "going to run from expressing myself."}, {"start": "01:52:41", "end": "01:52:46", "text": ">> Those expulsions were probably useful"}, {"start": "01:52:43", "end": "01:52:47", "text": "then. you had no use for a group that"}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:49", "text": "wanted to throw you out."}, {"start": "01:52:47", "end": "01:52:52", "text": ">> They've certainly proven useful in that"}, {"start": "01:52:49", "end": "01:52:55", "text": "they put a person face to face with what"}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:57", "text": "he or she believes, what free expression"}, {"start": "01:52:55", "end": "01:52:59", "text": "means. We all say it's just like we're"}, {"start": "01:52:57", "end": "01:53:01", "text": "all against war. We're all for free"}, {"start": "01:52:59", "end": "01:53:02", "text": "expression until we don't like it."}, {"start": "01:53:01", "end": "01:53:05", "text": "Right?"}, {"start": "01:53:02", "end": "01:53:06", "text": ">> And so it teaches you something about"}, {"start": "01:53:05", "end": "01:53:08", "text": "humanity. Last night we were watching an"}, {"start": "01:53:06", "end": "01:53:10", "text": "episode of the Twilight Zone, famous"}, {"start": "01:53:08", "end": "01:53:12", "text": "episode, The Shelter, where neighbors"}, {"start": "01:53:10", "end": "01:53:15", "text": "burst into the guy's bomb shelter. And"}, {"start": "01:53:12", "end": "01:53:17", "text": "there goes Rod Serling in all of 22"}, {"start": "01:53:15", "end": "01:53:18", "text": "minutes exposing us to human nature."}, {"start": "01:53:17", "end": "01:53:20", "text": "Yep. So, you learn something about human"}, {"start": "01:53:18", "end": "01:53:22", "text": "nature, you learn something about"}, {"start": "01:53:20", "end": "01:53:25", "text": "yourself, and in that sense, it's"}, {"start": "01:53:22", "end": "01:53:28", "text": "painful, but it's educative."}, {"start": "01:53:25", "end": "01:53:30", "text": ">> That episode captures human nature"}, {"start": "01:53:28", "end": "01:53:32", "text": "perfectly. The paranoia and how people"}, {"start": "01:53:30", "end": "01:53:35", "text": "turn on each. A lot of my content is"}, {"start": "01:53:32", "end": "01:53:37", "text": "based on Rod Sterling's work. Um, what"}, {"start": "01:53:35", "end": "01:53:40", "text": "does it mean to walk the left path?"}, {"start": "01:53:37", "end": "01:53:44", "text": ">> Well, the left-hand path, as I use it,"}, {"start": "01:53:40", "end": "01:53:48", "text": "is a spiritual path that emphasizes"}, {"start": "01:53:44", "end": "01:53:49", "text": "individualism, the individual wish,"}, {"start": "01:53:48", "end": "01:53:53", "text": "self-recreation."}, {"start": "01:53:49", "end": "01:53:56", "text": "You might say that it focuses on my will"}, {"start": "01:53:53", "end": "01:53:58", "text": "be done versus thy will be done. And"}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:54:00", "text": "some people hear that and they don't"}, {"start": "01:53:58", "end": "01:54:02", "text": "like it, and I understand that. But"}, {"start": "01:54:00", "end": "01:54:04", "text": "let's take a breath. Most of the time"}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:07", "text": "what most of us are seeking in the"}, {"start": "01:54:04", "end": "01:54:10", "text": "spiritual search is some sense of of"}, {"start": "01:54:07", "end": "01:54:13", "text": "agency of power not force not force"}, {"start": "01:54:10", "end": "01:54:15", "text": "power to see through our wish for"}, {"start": "01:54:13", "end": "01:54:18", "text": "expression in the world. And we"}, {"start": "01:54:15", "end": "01:54:18", "text": "sometimes perfume it saying"}, {"start": "01:54:18", "end": "01:54:20", "text": ">> sure"}, {"start": "01:54:18", "end": "01:54:22", "text": ">> thy will be done with the right hand but"}, {"start": "01:54:20", "end": "01:54:24", "text": "with the left hand saying I'm really"}, {"start": "01:54:22", "end": "01:54:27", "text": "hoping it comports with my will."}, {"start": "01:54:24", "end": "01:54:29", "text": ">> And I really believe in the individual."}, {"start": "01:54:27", "end": "01:54:32", "text": "I believe in the ability of the mature"}, {"start": "01:54:29", "end": "01:54:36", "text": "sensitive individual as a person to"}, {"start": "01:54:32", "end": "01:54:38", "text": "identify his or her own path in life and"}, {"start": "01:54:36", "end": "01:54:41", "text": "I believe in ethics which arise from"}, {"start": "01:54:38", "end": "01:54:44", "text": "empathy and most people don't have it"}, {"start": "01:54:41", "end": "01:54:46", "text": "regardless of how pretty they talk."}, {"start": "01:54:44", "end": "01:54:48", "text": "Ethics arise from the emotions and you"}, {"start": "01:54:46", "end": "01:54:51", "text": "have to have fine emotions to really"}, {"start": "01:54:48", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "even understand what ethics are. I write"}, {"start": "01:54:51", "end": "01:54:57", "text": "to people with ethics and that's that's"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:54:59", "text": "to whom my appeals are made."}, {"start": "01:54:57", "end": "01:55:00", "text": "It's another rule is that don't"}, {"start": "01:54:59", "end": "01:55:01", "text": "underestimate the power of emotions."}, {"start": "01:55:00", "end": "01:55:04", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:55:01", "end": "01:55:06", "text": ">> World stands on them."}, {"start": "01:55:04", "end": "01:55:09", "text": ">> A couple of questions I want to go off"}, {"start": "01:55:06", "end": "01:55:12", "text": "script for."}, {"start": "01:55:09", "end": "01:55:14", "text": "Oriticism."}, {"start": "01:55:12", "end": "01:55:16", "text": ">> Well, it's from your book. You said um"}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:17", "text": "we don't have Buddha, we have Buddhism."}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:18", "text": "The teacher becomes the teaching,"}, {"start": "01:55:17", "end": "01:55:20", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:55:18", "end": "01:55:22", "text": ">> And the teaching calcifies. So, you've"}, {"start": "01:55:20", "end": "01:55:26", "text": "written a lot of books and one day"}, {"start": "01:55:22", "end": "01:55:29", "text": "there's going to be a horriicism"}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:30", "text": "and what will it get wrong about you?"}, {"start": "01:55:29", "end": "01:55:31", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:55:30", "end": "01:55:33", "text": ">> When you're gone."}, {"start": "01:55:31", "end": "01:55:36", "text": ">> Well, I'm referring to the fact that"}, {"start": "01:55:33", "end": "01:55:37", "text": "there is in life a descending octave and"}, {"start": "01:55:36", "end": "01:55:40", "text": "there's no getting away from it, right?"}, {"start": "01:55:37", "end": "01:55:41", "text": "We don't have Buddha. We have Buddhism."}, {"start": "01:55:40", "end": "01:55:44", "text": "We don't have Christ. We have"}, {"start": "01:55:41", "end": "01:55:47", "text": "Christianity or Christendom."}, {"start": "01:55:44", "end": "01:55:50", "text": "What if there's a Horowitz ism will get"}, {"start": "01:55:47", "end": "01:55:52", "text": "wrong is it will bring orthodoxy to"}, {"start": "01:55:50", "end": "01:55:54", "text": "these ideas. It will close them off. It"}, {"start": "01:55:52", "end": "01:55:56", "text": "will slam the door closed. It will say"}, {"start": "01:55:54", "end": "01:55:58", "text": "things like live for yourself without"}, {"start": "01:55:56", "end": "01:56:02", "text": "being uncomfortable with that statement"}, {"start": "01:55:58", "end": "01:56:06", "text": "as I am even as I believe in it from a"}, {"start": "01:56:02", "end": "01:56:08", "text": "more complex point of view than a later"}, {"start": "01:56:06", "end": "01:56:10", "text": "version might hold. The truth is all"}, {"start": "01:56:08", "end": "01:56:14", "text": "these traditions are the same in the"}, {"start": "01:56:10", "end": "01:56:16", "text": "sense that we cop to ideals but we live"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:18", "text": "according to what makes me feel safe,"}, {"start": "01:56:16", "end": "01:56:20", "text": "what makes me feel unsafe, what title"}, {"start": "01:56:18", "end": "01:56:22", "text": "can I claim that makes me sound like a"}, {"start": "01:56:20", "end": "01:56:25", "text": "hero while puts the other person into an"}, {"start": "01:56:22", "end": "01:56:27", "text": "uncomfortable little box. So"}, {"start": "01:56:25", "end": "01:56:30", "text": "unfortunately due to this descending"}, {"start": "01:56:27", "end": "01:56:34", "text": "current of humanity"}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:36", "text": "pretty much every tradition winds up"}, {"start": "01:56:34", "end": "01:56:38", "text": "winds up despite its pretty language"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:41", "text": "being a statement of I like and I don't"}, {"start": "01:56:38", "end": "01:56:44", "text": "like. So I can't expect if there's ever"}, {"start": "01:56:41", "end": "01:56:48", "text": "a iteration of what I'm into it'll be"}, {"start": "01:56:44", "end": "01:56:50", "text": "much better. Uh if it is I'm I'm wrong"}, {"start": "01:56:48", "end": "01:56:52", "text": "about human nature and human nature is"}, {"start": "01:56:50", "end": "01:56:55", "text": "better than I think. I don't think it"}, {"start": "01:56:52", "end": "01:56:58", "text": "is. No, with with so many religions,"}, {"start": "01:56:55", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "it's follow this book exactly and you'll"}, {"start": "01:56:58", "end": "01:57:03", "text": "end up in paradise or whatever. With"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:05", "text": "your rules, it's follow this exactly and"}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:08", "text": "it's going to hurt anyway. It's going to"}, {"start": "01:57:05", "end": "01:57:09", "text": "hurt anyway, but you may be happier at"}, {"start": "01:57:08", "end": "01:57:11", "text": "the end of the day, and you may express"}, {"start": "01:57:09", "end": "01:57:14", "text": "yourself more at the end of the day, and"}, {"start": "01:57:11", "end": "01:57:17", "text": "you may spend less time falling asleep"}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:19", "text": "at night with chips on your chest or or"}, {"start": "01:57:17", "end": "01:57:21", "text": "or or complaining week in and week out"}, {"start": "01:57:19", "end": "01:57:23", "text": "to the shrink and expressing yourself"}, {"start": "01:57:21", "end": "01:57:24", "text": "and and doing more that makes you feel"}, {"start": "01:57:23", "end": "01:57:26", "text": "vital."}, {"start": "01:57:24", "end": "01:57:27", "text": ">> There's only one person on the earth"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:29", "text": "besides your mother who's allowed to"}, {"start": "01:57:27", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "call you Mitchell. Tell me about Paul"}, {"start": "01:57:29", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "Kraner."}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:33", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:36", "text": "may he rest in peace."}, {"start": "01:57:33", "end": "01:57:40", "text": ">> Yes. Uh Paul was a old hippie and and"}, {"start": "01:57:36", "end": "01:57:43", "text": "beatnick and uh I got this pen literary"}, {"start": "01:57:40", "end": "01:57:45", "text": "award in Oakland, California and they"}, {"start": "01:57:43", "end": "01:57:49", "text": "were giving Paul a lifetime achievement"}, {"start": "01:57:45", "end": "01:57:51", "text": "award and he was in declining health at"}, {"start": "01:57:49", "end": "01:57:54", "text": "the time and he walked up to the podium"}, {"start": "01:57:51", "end": "01:57:57", "text": "and he was limping and um and he got up"}, {"start": "01:57:54", "end": "01:57:59", "text": "to the podium and some of us including"}, {"start": "01:57:57", "end": "01:58:01", "text": "me were giving him a standing ovation"}, {"start": "01:57:59", "end": "01:58:04", "text": "and just with the most impeccable"}, {"start": "01:58:01", "end": "01:58:07", "text": "comedic timing he said, \"Why was it"}, {"start": "01:58:04", "end": "01:58:10", "text": "everyone standing?\" It's like he was"}, {"start": "01:58:07", "end": "01:58:12", "text": "like a Lenny Bruce kind of figure. And"}, {"start": "01:58:10", "end": "01:58:14", "text": "uh I don't know. You know, he used to"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:16", "text": "call me Mitchell and I just put up with"}, {"start": "01:58:14", "end": "01:58:19", "text": "it. I don't let producers call me"}, {"start": "01:58:16", "end": "01:58:20", "text": "Mitchell. And so Paul Kraner and mom"}, {"start": "01:58:19", "end": "01:58:25", "text": "were the only ones who could do that."}, {"start": "01:58:20", "end": "01:58:28", "text": ">> That's that's rare company."}, {"start": "01:58:25", "end": "01:58:31", "text": ">> There was another um anecdote that I"}, {"start": "01:58:28", "end": "01:58:32", "text": "found interesting. Whose memorial was it"}, {"start": "01:58:31", "end": "01:58:33", "text": "where the widow came up to you?"}, {"start": "01:58:32", "end": "01:58:34", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "01:58:33", "end": "01:58:37", "text": ">> And gave you a word?"}, {"start": "01:58:34", "end": "01:58:40", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, I was at the memorial service"}, {"start": "01:58:37", "end": "01:58:42", "text": "of a man named Irving. How"}, {"start": "01:58:40", "end": "01:58:44", "text": ">> he was a socialist. He was a literary"}, {"start": "01:58:42", "end": "01:58:46", "text": "critic. He was a great man of letters."}, {"start": "01:58:44", "end": "01:58:49", "text": "Big inspiration on me. He would not have"}, {"start": "01:58:46", "end": "01:58:52", "text": "liked or be interested in any of the"}, {"start": "01:58:49", "end": "01:58:54", "text": "topics that animate me today. But you"}, {"start": "01:58:52", "end": "01:58:55", "text": "can't choose your heroes. And he was"}, {"start": "01:58:54", "end": "01:58:57", "text": "one."}, {"start": "01:58:55", "end": "01:58:59", "text": "And after his memorial service, the"}, {"start": "01:58:57", "end": "01:59:01", "text": "widow of another hero of mine, Michael"}, {"start": "01:58:59", "end": "01:59:04", "text": "Harrington, anti-poverty socialist"}, {"start": "01:59:01", "end": "01:59:06", "text": "activist, also a great influence, would"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:09", "text": "not have been interested in my topics at"}, {"start": "01:59:06", "end": "01:59:11", "text": "all. He was an atheist. Mike's widow"}, {"start": "01:59:09", "end": "01:59:13", "text": "came up to me and she took my hands and"}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "she said, \"Mitch,"}, {"start": "01:59:13", "end": "01:59:18", "text": "standards. If you want to learn one"}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:20", "text": "thing from Irving, that's it."}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:22", "text": "Standards.\" And I've tried to abide that"}, {"start": "01:59:20", "end": "01:59:25", "text": "because when I write about controversial"}, {"start": "01:59:22", "end": "01:59:29", "text": "themes, those themes are always very"}, {"start": "01:59:25", "end": "01:59:32", "text": "foundationally grounded in a really"}, {"start": "01:59:29", "end": "01:59:34", "text": "searching historicism and I hope in a"}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:37", "text": "really searching ethics and"}, {"start": "01:59:34", "end": "01:59:39", "text": "spirituality. So I took that to heart"}, {"start": "01:59:37", "end": "01:59:41", "text": "although I took it into a different"}, {"start": "01:59:39", "end": "01:59:42", "text": "neighborhood than the ones that those"}, {"start": "01:59:41", "end": "01:59:44", "text": "guys worked in."}, {"start": "01:59:42", "end": "01:59:44", "text": ">> So you're always thinking standards with"}, {"start": "01:59:44", "end": "01:59:46", "text": "your work."}, {"start": "01:59:44", "end": "01:59:49", "text": ">> Always constantly. I will never write"}, {"start": "01:59:46", "end": "01:59:51", "text": "down a word, never write down a quote,"}, {"start": "01:59:49", "end": "01:59:54", "text": "never write down an idea without"}, {"start": "01:59:51", "end": "01:59:57", "text": "suffering it, test the idea by suffering"}, {"start": "01:59:54", "end": "02:00:00", "text": "it, test the idea by suffering it. And I"}, {"start": "01:59:57", "end": "02:00:04", "text": "I really try to live with things and I"}, {"start": "02:00:00", "end": "02:00:07", "text": "try to ask myself rather than repeating"}, {"start": "02:00:04", "end": "02:00:09", "text": "a quote or a story or reciting something"}, {"start": "02:00:07", "end": "02:00:11", "text": "from memory, this was in the Bible, that"}, {"start": "02:00:09", "end": "02:00:14", "text": "was in the Bible. Go back to the source"}, {"start": "02:00:11", "end": "02:00:16", "text": "and you might be very surprised not only"}, {"start": "02:00:14", "end": "02:00:18", "text": "at what's really there, but at how these"}, {"start": "02:00:16", "end": "02:00:21", "text": "things differ according to different"}, {"start": "02:00:18", "end": "02:00:22", "text": "traditions and translations. Reckon with"}, {"start": "02:00:21", "end": "02:00:25", "text": "that, live with that. I like the"}, {"start": "02:00:22", "end": "02:00:26", "text": "standard story because I have a saying"}, {"start": "02:00:25", "end": "02:00:30", "text": "here that drives everybody nuts is we"}, {"start": "02:00:26", "end": "02:00:31", "text": "never phone it in. We never phone it in."}, {"start": "02:00:30", "end": "02:00:34", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:00:31", "end": "02:00:37", "text": ">> How does your book has financial advice?"}, {"start": "02:00:34", "end": "02:00:38", "text": "How how does a youth democrat socialist"}, {"start": "02:00:37", "end": "02:00:39", "text": "accountant,"}, {"start": "02:00:38", "end": "02:00:41", "text": ">> right,"}, {"start": "02:00:39", "end": "02:00:41", "text": ">> end up telling me to buy index funds,"}, {"start": "02:00:41", "end": "02:00:44", "text": "which I do,"}, {"start": "02:00:41", "end": "02:00:45", "text": ">> right? Oh, good. Bravo. Your your kids"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "are going to be very happy for that. I"}, {"start": "02:00:45", "end": "02:00:51", "text": "can assure you. Um, it's so funny, man."}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:53", "text": "I was uh I was I was a treasurer of the"}, {"start": "02:00:51", "end": "02:00:54", "text": "youth section of Democratic Socialist of"}, {"start": "02:00:53", "end": "02:00:54", "text": "America."}, {"start": "02:00:54", "end": "02:00:56", "text": ">> Not an easy gig,"}, {"start": "02:00:54", "end": "02:00:58", "text": ">> right? Right."}, {"start": "02:00:56", "end": "02:01:01", "text": ">> I was one socialist who balanced"}, {"start": "02:00:58", "end": "02:01:02", "text": "budgets. Um it's so funny because uh my"}, {"start": "02:01:01", "end": "02:01:03", "text": "wife and I, Jacqueline, we were just"}, {"start": "02:01:02", "end": "02:01:05", "text": "talking about this last night. We were"}, {"start": "02:01:03", "end": "02:01:07", "text": "watching one of these financial talk"}, {"start": "02:01:05", "end": "02:01:11", "text": "shows and they're going on and on about"}, {"start": "02:01:07", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "CDs and versification and so forth. Um I"}, {"start": "02:01:11", "end": "02:01:17", "text": "tell people, chin out, put your goddamn"}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:19", "text": "money into the S&P 500 index fund. It'll"}, {"start": "02:01:17", "end": "02:01:21", "text": "go down and it'll also go back up. And"}, {"start": "02:01:19", "end": "02:01:22", "text": "if it goes down permanently, we're all"}, {"start": "02:01:21", "end": "02:01:23", "text": "in a lot of trouble. And it ain't going"}, {"start": "02:01:22", "end": "02:01:26", "text": "to go down permanently."}, {"start": "02:01:23", "end": "02:01:26", "text": ">> Nope. They won't let it happen. QQQ all"}, {"start": "02:01:26", "end": "02:01:29", "text": "day long."}, {"start": "02:01:26", "end": "02:01:32", "text": ">> Exactly. All the big wigs have got all"}, {"start": "02:01:29", "end": "02:01:35", "text": "their money there. And that's going to"}, {"start": "02:01:32", "end": "02:01:38", "text": "be the first to get bailed out. And um I"}, {"start": "02:01:35", "end": "02:01:40", "text": "am not a finance guy, but I have a lot"}, {"start": "02:01:38", "end": "02:01:42", "text": "of in-laws who are. And once one"}, {"start": "02:01:40", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "Thanksgiving I was sitting around with a"}, {"start": "02:01:42", "end": "02:01:47", "text": "bunch of finance guys from Goldman Sachs"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:49", "text": "and other big banks and these guys"}, {"start": "02:01:47", "end": "02:01:51", "text": "they're they're very confident and you"}, {"start": "02:01:49", "end": "02:01:54", "text": "know they march into the world with"}, {"start": "02:01:51", "end": "02:01:56", "text": "their shoulders swaggering and I said uh"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "let me ask you financial wizards a"}, {"start": "02:01:56", "end": "02:02:02", "text": "question and I want you to be 100% frank"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:04", "text": "with me. My understanding is that no"}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:07", "text": "securities product, no financial product"}, {"start": "02:02:04", "end": "02:02:11", "text": "over time does better than the boring"}, {"start": "02:02:07", "end": "02:02:14", "text": "old S&P 500. And to a person, they all"}, {"start": "02:02:11", "end": "02:02:16", "text": "agreed. They all agreed. And one of the"}, {"start": "02:02:14", "end": "02:02:18", "text": "things that has helped me in life and"}, {"start": "02:02:16", "end": "02:02:21", "text": "that I share on a strictly practical"}, {"start": "02:02:18", "end": "02:02:24", "text": "level with my readers is when I was in"}, {"start": "02:02:21", "end": "02:02:27", "text": "publishing, we had a 401k plan. I socked"}, {"start": "02:02:24", "end": "02:02:30", "text": "away as much money as I possibly could"}, {"start": "02:02:27", "end": "02:02:32", "text": "into one place, the S&P 500. Those are"}, {"start": "02:02:30", "end": "02:02:35", "text": "just the top 500 stocks in the market at"}, {"start": "02:02:32", "end": "02:02:37", "text": "any given time. Diversification is a"}, {"start": "02:02:35", "end": "02:02:39", "text": "marketing term. Yes, that's from people"}, {"start": "02:02:37", "end": "02:02:43", "text": "who want to take commissions from you."}, {"start": "02:02:39", "end": "02:02:45", "text": "Park it in the boring old S&P 500."}, {"start": "02:02:43", "end": "02:02:48", "text": ">> Be chill. It will go down. It will go"}, {"start": "02:02:45", "end": "02:02:50", "text": "back up. We watched it during COVID. It"}, {"start": "02:02:48", "end": "02:02:53", "text": "was very rough. Stand your ground. You"}, {"start": "02:02:50", "end": "02:02:54", "text": "will be happy. That's my advice."}, {"start": "02:02:53", "end": "02:02:58", "text": ">> It's great advice. Here's how I"}, {"start": "02:02:54", "end": "02:03:00", "text": "diversify. S&P index, aerospace index,"}, {"start": "02:02:58", "end": "02:03:01", "text": "healthcare index. That's it. I don't own"}, {"start": "02:03:00", "end": "02:03:05", "text": "any stocks."}, {"start": "02:03:01", "end": "02:03:06", "text": ">> And that's where Elon's money is. That's"}, {"start": "02:03:05", "end": "02:03:08", "text": "where Zuckerberg's money is. That's"}, {"start": "02:03:06", "end": "02:03:09", "text": "where Sam Alman's money is. It ain't"}, {"start": "02:03:08", "end": "02:03:10", "text": "going down."}, {"start": "02:03:09", "end": "02:03:12", "text": ">> It's not."}, {"start": "02:03:10", "end": "02:03:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:18", "text": ">> Are So, are you a capitalist? I I can't"}, {"start": "02:03:15", "end": "02:03:19", "text": "I don't know where you Marx socialism,"}, {"start": "02:03:18", "end": "02:03:20", "text": "Marxism. You're reading Lenin."}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:21", "text": ">> I do read Lenin."}, {"start": "02:03:20", "end": "02:03:24", "text": ">> What What are you trying to learn from"}, {"start": "02:03:21", "end": "02:03:26", "text": "Lenin? What I grew to in Lenin is even"}, {"start": "02:03:24", "end": "02:03:28", "text": "though he was an ardent materialist, he"}, {"start": "02:03:26", "end": "02:03:30", "text": "was into self-development. Yes."}, {"start": "02:03:28", "end": "02:03:33", "text": ">> And he really believed in the"}, {"start": "02:03:30", "end": "02:03:36", "text": "self-development project as did a lot of"}, {"start": "02:03:33", "end": "02:03:38", "text": "people in his generation uh of Tsarist"}, {"start": "02:03:36", "end": "02:03:41", "text": "Russia. Zorist Russia created its own"}, {"start": "02:03:38", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "demise. Not only was it a horrible"}, {"start": "02:03:41", "end": "02:03:46", "text": "system of governance that didn't allow a"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:48", "text": "middle class to flourish, didn't really"}, {"start": "02:03:46", "end": "02:03:50", "text": "facilitate the conditions where people"}, {"start": "02:03:48", "end": "02:03:52", "text": "could own property and have some degree"}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:03:55", "text": "of of of freedom of search, freedom of"}, {"start": "02:03:52", "end": "02:03:57", "text": "thought, freedom of expression. But"}, {"start": "02:03:55", "end": "02:03:59", "text": "Zorist Russia made a fateful decision"}, {"start": "02:03:57", "end": "02:04:03", "text": "which is that if we want to modernize,"}, {"start": "02:03:59", "end": "02:04:05", "text": "we need a some sort of a a professional"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:07", "text": "bureaucracy. We need people who are"}, {"start": "02:04:05", "end": "02:04:09", "text": "educated who can run the civil service"}, {"start": "02:04:07", "end": "02:04:12", "text": "and we need of course engineers and"}, {"start": "02:04:09", "end": "02:04:15", "text": "doctors and scientists. So they started"}, {"start": "02:04:12", "end": "02:04:17", "text": "educating small clusters of young people"}, {"start": "02:04:15", "end": "02:04:20", "text": "who hated the regime and the government"}, {"start": "02:04:17", "end": "02:04:25", "text": "and one Vladimir Lenon was among them."}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:28", "text": "And um Lenin doted upon a mid-9th"}, {"start": "02:04:25", "end": "02:04:30", "text": "century novel uh by a Russian"}, {"start": "02:04:28", "end": "02:04:33", "text": "existentialist writer titled what is to"}, {"start": "02:04:30", "end": "02:04:35", "text": "be done. He later named his own"}, {"start": "02:04:33", "end": "02:04:37", "text": "pamphlet, what is to be done after this"}, {"start": "02:04:35", "end": "02:04:40", "text": "novel. And within it appeared a"}, {"start": "02:04:37", "end": "02:04:42", "text": "character named Rakmatav, who believed"}, {"start": "02:04:40", "end": "02:04:46", "text": "ardently in self-development. He was"}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:47", "text": "kind of a Russian hardcore version of"}, {"start": "02:04:46", "end": "02:04:49", "text": "oh, I don't know, I guess you'd say an"}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:52", "text": "American up by the bootstraps type"}, {"start": "02:04:49", "end": "02:04:53", "text": "figure. And this inspired Lenin. And I"}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:56", "text": "like the Russian writers and"}, {"start": "02:04:53", "end": "02:04:58", "text": "existentialists because their point of"}, {"start": "02:04:56", "end": "02:05:00", "text": "view is expressed"}, {"start": "02:04:58", "end": "02:05:04", "text": "from"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:07", "text": "a country that has been steeped in"}, {"start": "02:05:04", "end": "02:05:10", "text": "difficulty for many many generations"}, {"start": "02:05:07", "end": "02:05:12", "text": "allowing, you know, stemming from a Zara"}, {"start": "02:05:10", "end": "02:05:15", "text": "system that was truly backward and and"}, {"start": "02:05:12", "end": "02:05:17", "text": "that that that the public hated. And so"}, {"start": "02:05:15", "end": "02:05:22", "text": "these writers were as realist as they"}, {"start": "02:05:17", "end": "02:05:24", "text": "come. and Lenon doted upon ideas of"}, {"start": "02:05:22", "end": "02:05:28", "text": "self-development. He also liked the"}, {"start": "02:05:24", "end": "02:05:30", "text": "novels of Jack London where the rugged"}, {"start": "02:05:28", "end": "02:05:33", "text": "radical individualist was always the"}, {"start": "02:05:30", "end": "02:05:36", "text": "hero. And so I'm always interested in"}, {"start": "02:05:33", "end": "02:05:38", "text": "learning about the background reading of"}, {"start": "02:05:36", "end": "02:05:40", "text": "great figures. I'm not a Leninist, but"}, {"start": "02:05:38", "end": "02:05:42", "text": "I'm interested as hell in his life"}, {"start": "02:05:40", "end": "02:05:45", "text": "because it was a difficult life and it"}, {"start": "02:05:42", "end": "02:05:47", "text": "was a life animated by a singular goal."}, {"start": "02:05:45", "end": "02:05:49", "text": "That goal succeeded. That goal also"}, {"start": "02:05:47", "end": "02:05:51", "text": "turned into a nightmare because it"}, {"start": "02:05:49", "end": "02:05:53", "text": "succeeded with autocracy, paved the way"}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:05:55", "text": "for Stalin. Uh, but I found I find"}, {"start": "02:05:53", "end": "02:05:58", "text": "Lennon a fascinating figure."}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:05:59", "text": ">> I think that's allowed. I mean, every"}, {"start": "02:05:58", "end": "02:06:01", "text": "time I put out a video about Hitler,"}, {"start": "02:05:59", "end": "02:06:02", "text": "it's a banger. That doesn't mean we"}, {"start": "02:06:01", "end": "02:06:03", "text": "endorse it, right?"}, {"start": "02:06:02", "end": "02:06:06", "text": ">> It was a fascination."}, {"start": "02:06:03", "end": "02:06:08", "text": ">> And and I would ask the public I would"}, {"start": "02:06:06", "end": "02:06:09", "text": "ask the public to question that in"}, {"start": "02:06:08", "end": "02:06:11", "text": "themselves. And I realize it. I mean,"}, {"start": "02:06:09", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "believe me, I watch enough Hitler"}, {"start": "02:06:11", "end": "02:06:15", "text": "documentaries to program a whole"}, {"start": "02:06:13", "end": "02:06:17", "text": "channel. So, I'm not up on some high"}, {"start": "02:06:15", "end": "02:06:19", "text": "horse about it, but people will talk"}, {"start": "02:06:17", "end": "02:06:21", "text": "about Hitler and the occult, for"}, {"start": "02:06:19", "end": "02:06:23", "text": "example. It's wildly overstated."}, {"start": "02:06:21", "end": "02:06:25", "text": "Whereas, we never talk about or rarely"}, {"start": "02:06:23", "end": "02:06:27", "text": "talk about Gandhi and the occult. Even"}, {"start": "02:06:25", "end": "02:06:29", "text": "though Gandhi's relationship with Madame"}, {"start": "02:06:27", "end": "02:06:32", "text": "HP Blovadski,"}, {"start": "02:06:29", "end": "02:06:36", "text": "he testified repeatedly throughout his"}, {"start": "02:06:32", "end": "02:06:38", "text": "life, ignited his first interest in"}, {"start": "02:06:36", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "human equality,"}, {"start": "02:06:38", "end": "02:06:44", "text": "the basic universality of all religions."}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:45", "text": "Well, tell that story of a struggling"}, {"start": "02:06:44", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "young lawyer in London."}, {"start": "02:06:45", "end": "02:06:48", "text": ">> Absolutely. Nobody's interested in it."}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "They're interested in Hitler in the"}, {"start": "02:06:48", "end": "02:06:52", "text": "occult, but Gandhi in the occult is is"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:53", "text": "is much closer to the Bowen in terms of"}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:54", "text": "of truth."}, {"start": "02:06:53", "end": "02:06:55", "text": ">> And then I want to talk about the"}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:59", "text": "founding fathers in the occult."}, {"start": "02:06:55", "end": "02:07:01", "text": ">> Oh, by all means. Um, Gandhi as a young"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:04", "text": "man was studying to be a lawyer in"}, {"start": "02:07:01", "end": "02:07:06", "text": "London. And in 1889, things were going"}, {"start": "02:07:04", "end": "02:07:08", "text": "terribly for him. He was isolated. He"}, {"start": "02:07:06", "end": "02:07:11", "text": "was lonely. He failed his metriculation"}, {"start": "02:07:08", "end": "02:07:14", "text": "exams. try being a vegetarian in London"}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:17", "text": "in 1889. It's not very fun today, much"}, {"start": "02:07:14", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "less then. And uh he was lonely and"}, {"start": "02:07:17", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "isolated and he met a couple of"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:25", "text": "students, followers of Madame HP"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:27", "text": "Blovatzky who had fled India in the face"}, {"start": "02:07:25", "end": "02:07:29", "text": "of scandal. Madam Blovatzky was this"}, {"start": "02:07:27", "end": "02:07:31", "text": "mysterious worldtraveled Russian"}, {"start": "02:07:29", "end": "02:07:34", "text": "occultist, both loved and damned. I love"}, {"start": "02:07:31", "end": "02:07:38", "text": "her. and she was living in the Nodding"}, {"start": "02:07:34", "end": "02:07:41", "text": "Hill section of London where she uh was"}, {"start": "02:07:38", "end": "02:07:43", "text": "completing work on her she actually just"}, {"start": "02:07:41", "end": "02:07:47", "text": "published her magnumopus the secret"}, {"start": "02:07:43", "end": "02:07:48", "text": "doctrine two volume occult cosmology"}, {"start": "02:07:47", "end": "02:07:51", "text": ">> of course"}, {"start": "02:07:48", "end": "02:07:53", "text": ">> Gandhi was very nervous about meeting"}, {"start": "02:07:51", "end": "02:07:57", "text": "her was invited to meet her went to meet"}, {"start": "02:07:53", "end": "02:08:00", "text": "her and he said from that moment forward"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:08:03", "text": "until his own assassination he recorded"}, {"start": "02:08:00", "end": "02:08:05", "text": "in interviews letters articles"}, {"start": "02:08:03", "end": "02:08:08", "text": "that meeting Madame Bllovansky, the high"}, {"start": "02:08:05", "end": "02:08:10", "text": "priestess of the occult,"}, {"start": "02:08:08", "end": "02:08:14", "text": "ignited his first stirrings of a"}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:18", "text": "philosophy of human universality, of"}, {"start": "02:08:14", "end": "02:08:22", "text": "civic equality, of the equal footing on"}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:25", "text": "which all religions should stand."}, {"start": "02:08:22", "end": "02:08:28", "text": "Theosophy had and has as its motto,"}, {"start": "02:08:25", "end": "02:08:32", "text": "there is no religion higher than truth."}, {"start": "02:08:28", "end": "02:08:34", "text": "Gandhi later said all religions are true"}, {"start": "02:08:32", "end": "02:08:37", "text": "and all have some flaw in them. You"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:40", "text": "could hear within the theosophical motto"}, {"start": "02:08:37", "end": "02:08:40", "text": "an echo of Gandhi's with within Gandhi's"}, {"start": "02:08:40", "end": "02:08:43", "text": "maxim."}, {"start": "02:08:40", "end": "02:08:46", "text": ">> How did she learn about him?"}, {"start": "02:08:43", "end": "02:08:48", "text": ">> Oh, listen. He was an unknown young kid"}, {"start": "02:08:46", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "studying law in London and a couple of"}, {"start": "02:08:48", "end": "02:08:55", "text": "her followers asked him one day if he"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:58", "text": "could help them read the Bavad Gita in"}, {"start": "02:08:55", "end": "02:09:00", "text": "its original Sanskrit. And he said, \"I"}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:03", "text": "could barely read the original Sanskrit"}, {"start": "02:09:00", "end": "02:09:05", "text": "myself. I wanted to get away from the"}, {"start": "02:09:03", "end": "02:09:08", "text": "Hinduism of my parents. I thought it was"}, {"start": "02:09:05", "end": "02:09:10", "text": "a bunch of superstition and nonsense. I"}, {"start": "02:09:08", "end": "02:09:12", "text": "was not interested in a religious text.\""}, {"start": "02:09:10", "end": "02:09:14", "text": "But I was very lonely. I was very"}, {"start": "02:09:12", "end": "02:09:16", "text": "isolated. And if these two guys wanted"}, {"start": "02:09:14", "end": "02:09:18", "text": "to be my friends, I would agree to it."}, {"start": "02:09:16", "end": "02:09:19", "text": "And then they asked him, \"By the way,"}, {"start": "02:09:18", "end": "02:09:21", "text": "would you like to meet the high"}, {"start": "02:09:19", "end": "02:09:24", "text": "priestess of the occult herself, Madame"}, {"start": "02:09:21", "end": "02:09:24", "text": "HP Blazki?\" And he was shocked and said"}, {"start": "02:09:24", "end": "02:09:26", "text": "I was"}, {"start": "02:09:24", "end": "02:09:28", "text": ">> a chain of events from asking for a"}, {"start": "02:09:26", "end": "02:09:30", "text": "translation to throw out the empire."}, {"start": "02:09:28", "end": "02:09:33", "text": ">> Just remarkable. And he knew Madame"}, {"start": "02:09:30", "end": "02:09:35", "text": "Bllovansky as this anti-colonial"}, {"start": "02:09:33", "end": "02:09:37", "text": "activist from the old country. So he"}, {"start": "02:09:35", "end": "02:09:40", "text": "felt sympathy and he went to meet her"}, {"start": "02:09:37", "end": "02:09:42", "text": "and she gave him a copy of a shorter"}, {"start": "02:09:40", "end": "02:09:45", "text": "book of hers called the key to Theosophy"}, {"start": "02:09:42", "end": "02:09:48", "text": "and it speaks of human universality and"}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:50", "text": "Gandhi said this was the ignition point"}, {"start": "02:09:48", "end": "02:09:51", "text": "that launched his philosophy. So,"}, {"start": "02:09:50", "end": "02:09:53", "text": "everybody wants to talk about Hitler and"}, {"start": "02:09:51", "end": "02:09:57", "text": "the occult and it's so exciting and so"}, {"start": "02:09:53", "end": "02:10:01", "text": "forth and so on, but Gandhi and the"}, {"start": "02:09:57", "end": "02:10:03", "text": "occult is a a much closer to the bone"}, {"start": "02:10:01", "end": "02:10:05", "text": "version of historical truth that's"}, {"start": "02:10:03", "end": "02:10:07", "text": "unknown. If you get a biography of"}, {"start": "02:10:05", "end": "02:10:09", "text": "Gandhi today, you'll be surprised if"}, {"start": "02:10:07", "end": "02:10:12", "text": "there's three lines about Manablovatki"}, {"start": "02:10:09", "end": "02:10:14", "text": "in there, despite how formative she was"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:16", "text": "on his development, we've written it out"}, {"start": "02:10:14", "end": "02:10:19", "text": "of history. What did he take from her"}, {"start": "02:10:16", "end": "02:10:21", "text": "that that like practically that we can"}, {"start": "02:10:19", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "see"}, {"start": "02:10:21", "end": "02:10:28", "text": ">> her key teaching at that time is that"}, {"start": "02:10:24", "end": "02:10:31", "text": "all of humanity's religions grew from"}, {"start": "02:10:28", "end": "02:10:32", "text": "one underground occult source that we've"}, {"start": "02:10:31", "end": "02:10:34", "text": "lost track of."}, {"start": "02:10:32", "end": "02:10:38", "text": ">> And she referred to this as the secret"}, {"start": "02:10:34", "end": "02:10:41", "text": "doctrine. and all of our religions, all"}, {"start": "02:10:38", "end": "02:10:43", "text": "of our ethical philosophies are like"}, {"start": "02:10:41", "end": "02:10:46", "text": "trees that spring up from this"}, {"start": "02:10:43", "end": "02:10:51", "text": "underground water source. And so he came"}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:54", "text": "to feel if that's true, and he felt that"}, {"start": "02:10:51", "end": "02:10:57", "text": "it was in fact true, it also means that"}, {"start": "02:10:54", "end": "02:10:59", "text": "our differences are simply surface"}, {"start": "02:10:57", "end": "02:11:01", "text": "differences and that all religions, all"}, {"start": "02:10:59", "end": "02:11:04", "text": "beings, whatever their cast or"}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:07", "text": "background, are essentially equal. and"}, {"start": "02:11:04", "end": "02:11:10", "text": "he credited her with that realization."}, {"start": "02:11:07", "end": "02:11:12", "text": "It fermented the largest democratic"}, {"start": "02:11:10", "end": "02:11:15", "text": "revolution, nonviolent democratic"}, {"start": "02:11:12", "end": "02:11:17", "text": "revolution in human history. And here we"}, {"start": "02:11:15", "end": "02:11:19", "text": "are. Nobody knows about it. Madam"}, {"start": "02:11:17", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "Bllovadsky died an American citizen. She"}, {"start": "02:11:19", "end": "02:11:24", "text": "was very proud of being an American"}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:26", "text": "citizen. Nobody's heard of her in our"}, {"start": "02:11:24", "end": "02:11:28", "text": "country. Or if they have, they're like,"}, {"start": "02:11:26", "end": "02:11:30", "text": "\"Oh, that charlatan, that fake.\" The"}, {"start": "02:11:28", "end": "02:11:33", "text": "story is so much deeper. And this is how"}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:34", "text": "history gets neglected. And she died"}, {"start": "02:11:33", "end": "02:11:35", "text": "young, didn't she?"}, {"start": "02:11:34", "end": "02:11:37", "text": ">> 59 years old."}, {"start": "02:11:35", "end": "02:11:40", "text": ">> Oh. So, what do people get wrong about"}, {"start": "02:11:37", "end": "02:11:42", "text": "her in theosophy? Because when I think"}, {"start": "02:11:40", "end": "02:11:45", "text": "of ancient Egyptian religion, Sumerian,"}, {"start": "02:11:42", "end": "02:11:46", "text": "Catholicism, sounds like she might be on"}, {"start": "02:11:45", "end": "02:11:48", "text": "to something."}, {"start": "02:11:46", "end": "02:11:49", "text": ">> Yeah. They think of her as a fake. They"}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:52", "text": "think of her as a charlatan. They think"}, {"start": "02:11:49", "end": "02:11:54", "text": "of her as a purveyor of phony"}, {"start": "02:11:52", "end": "02:11:57", "text": "mediumistic tricks. And what they don't"}, {"start": "02:11:54", "end": "02:12:00", "text": "realize is that our world would look"}, {"start": "02:11:57", "end": "02:12:03", "text": "radically different today without Madame"}, {"start": "02:12:00", "end": "02:12:07", "text": "HP Blovatsky. Her influence traversed"}, {"start": "02:12:03", "end": "02:12:09", "text": "the globe in the late 19th century and"}, {"start": "02:12:07", "end": "02:12:13", "text": "resulted in the culture of spiritual"}, {"start": "02:12:09", "end": "02:12:16", "text": "search of which I am a part today. She"}, {"start": "02:12:13", "end": "02:12:18", "text": "and her colleagues reignited Buddhist"}, {"start": "02:12:16", "end": "02:12:22", "text": "practice in the east where it was"}, {"start": "02:12:18", "end": "02:12:27", "text": "withering in the nation of Sri Lanka uh"}, {"start": "02:12:22", "end": "02:12:30", "text": "even in in Japan in uh uh far-flung"}, {"start": "02:12:27", "end": "02:12:32", "text": "parts of India where vadic practice"}, {"start": "02:12:30", "end": "02:12:36", "text": "Hinduism Buddhism were being chipped"}, {"start": "02:12:32", "end": "02:12:37", "text": "away by the wellfunded machinery of"}, {"start": "02:12:36", "end": "02:12:40", "text": "colonialism."}, {"start": "02:12:37", "end": "02:12:43", "text": "She and her compatriots not only revived"}, {"start": "02:12:40", "end": "02:12:45", "text": "the traditional faiths in the east, but"}, {"start": "02:12:43", "end": "02:12:47", "text": "they sent shock waves throughout the"}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:51", "text": "world"}, {"start": "02:12:47", "end": "02:12:53", "text": "perveying the message that there is a"}, {"start": "02:12:51", "end": "02:12:58", "text": "secret doctrine. There is an esoteric"}, {"start": "02:12:53", "end": "02:13:00", "text": "search. There is a an unknown esoteric"}, {"start": "02:12:58", "end": "02:13:02", "text": "core to religions and that it's the"}, {"start": "02:13:00", "end": "02:13:05", "text": "birthright of every individual to search"}, {"start": "02:13:02", "end": "02:13:07", "text": "for these things. It was almost like a"}, {"start": "02:13:05", "end": "02:13:09", "text": "worldwide"}, {"start": "02:13:07", "end": "02:13:11", "text": "seismic version of what Henry David"}, {"start": "02:13:09", "end": "02:13:14", "text": "Thorough was trying to get across in"}, {"start": "02:13:11", "end": "02:13:16", "text": "Walden, but it played out on this global"}, {"start": "02:13:14", "end": "02:13:19", "text": "stage and it created the culture of"}, {"start": "02:13:16", "end": "02:13:22", "text": "search that I'm part of today."}, {"start": "02:13:19", "end": "02:13:24", "text": ">> What was so what was so attractive about"}, {"start": "02:13:22", "end": "02:13:26", "text": "her? Because you talk about Theorough"}, {"start": "02:13:24", "end": "02:13:28", "text": "where I don't consider him an"}, {"start": "02:13:26", "end": "02:13:29", "text": "outdoorsman at all. He's writing about"}, {"start": "02:13:28", "end": "02:13:30", "text": "the outdoors, but he wasn't much of an"}, {"start": "02:13:29", "end": "02:13:32", "text": "outdoorsman. Right."}, {"start": "02:13:30", "end": "02:13:34", "text": ">> But Madam Bloatsky, she lived it."}, {"start": "02:13:32", "end": "02:13:37", "text": ">> She lived it. She was born in Tsarist,"}, {"start": "02:13:34", "end": "02:13:39", "text": "Russia. She was part of minor nobility,"}, {"start": "02:13:37", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "but she suffered so much harassment that"}, {"start": "02:13:39", "end": "02:13:43", "text": "she had to travel in order to search."}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:46", "text": ">> Why harassment?"}, {"start": "02:13:43", "end": "02:13:48", "text": ">> Oh, look, in Torist Russia, I mean,"}, {"start": "02:13:46", "end": "02:13:50", "text": "Paradise Lost was banned under the"}, {"start": "02:13:48", "end": "02:13:51", "text": "Tsarist regime. You know, the the idea"}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:54", "text": "of anything that went outside the"}, {"start": "02:13:51", "end": "02:13:58", "text": "Orthodox church was above ground"}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:14:00", "text": "considered verboten. And so she traveled"}, {"start": "02:13:58", "end": "02:14:02", "text": "the world as she described it, searching"}, {"start": "02:14:00", "end": "02:14:05", "text": "for esoteric truths, came to the United"}, {"start": "02:14:02", "end": "02:14:08", "text": "States in the early 1870s, was"}, {"start": "02:14:05", "end": "02:14:09", "text": "fascinated with spiritualism and seance"}, {"start": "02:14:08", "end": "02:14:11", "text": "and midnight raps. Not because she"}, {"start": "02:14:09", "end": "02:14:14", "text": "thought it was the real thing or the"}, {"start": "02:14:11", "end": "02:14:17", "text": "real McCoy, but because she said, \"Here"}, {"start": "02:14:14", "end": "02:14:20", "text": "is an opening. Here is a culture that is"}, {"start": "02:14:17", "end": "02:14:22", "text": "experimental. Here is a culture that for"}, {"start": "02:14:20", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "all its contradictions"}, {"start": "02:14:22", "end": "02:14:27", "text": "protects the individual search for"}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:29", "text": "meaning.\" And so she felt that the soil"}, {"start": "02:14:27", "end": "02:14:31", "text": "of the United States at that time was"}, {"start": "02:14:29", "end": "02:14:34", "text": "the place from which could spring a"}, {"start": "02:14:31", "end": "02:14:37", "text": "worldwide revolution in spiritual"}, {"start": "02:14:34", "end": "02:14:39", "text": "search. And she told of being advised by"}, {"start": "02:14:37", "end": "02:14:41", "text": "these mysterious adepts from the east."}, {"start": "02:14:39", "end": "02:14:43", "text": "And people felt she was inventing it,"}, {"start": "02:14:41", "end": "02:14:47", "text": "making it up. But dig this, dig this."}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:50", "text": "Americans at that time, Westerners in"}, {"start": "02:14:47", "end": "02:14:53", "text": "general had not really heard much about"}, {"start": "02:14:50", "end": "02:14:55", "text": "gurus and swamies and robed adepts from"}, {"start": "02:14:53", "end": "02:14:58", "text": "the east. These things were completely"}, {"start": "02:14:55", "end": "02:15:01", "text": "alien to Americans. India was considered"}, {"start": "02:14:58", "end": "02:15:04", "text": "as distant as the surface of another"}, {"start": "02:15:01", "end": "02:15:06", "text": "planet. And when such teachers who were"}, {"start": "02:15:04", "end": "02:15:09", "text": "altogether real did begin to come to"}, {"start": "02:15:06", "end": "02:15:12", "text": "America in the 1890s then later in the"}, {"start": "02:15:09", "end": "02:15:14", "text": "19th century we Americans were able to"}, {"start": "02:15:12", "end": "02:15:16", "text": "recognize them because of her"}, {"start": "02:15:14", "end": "02:15:19", "text": "narratives. Her narratives made it into"}, {"start": "02:15:16", "end": "02:15:22", "text": "the press. Her narratives were"}, {"start": "02:15:19", "end": "02:15:24", "text": "sensationalistically treated by the"}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:26", "text": "media and thus introduced everyday"}, {"start": "02:15:24", "end": "02:15:30", "text": "Americans to things they might not have"}, {"start": "02:15:26", "end": "02:15:31", "text": "recognized. So when the Maharishi Mahesh"}, {"start": "02:15:30", "end": "02:15:35", "text": "Yogi came to the west to teach"}, {"start": "02:15:31", "end": "02:15:37", "text": "transcendental meditation in 1959,"}, {"start": "02:15:35", "end": "02:15:40", "text": "Americans could place him immediately"}, {"start": "02:15:37", "end": "02:15:41", "text": "and people a generation earlier from him"}, {"start": "02:15:40", "end": "02:15:43", "text": "because of the narrative that she"}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:43", "text": "introduced,"}, {"start": "02:15:43", "end": "02:15:46", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:15:43", "end": "02:15:48", "text": ">> We knew, we understood something. I get"}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:50", "text": "it. I get it. This is one of these holy"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:53", "text": "men from the east. That was an alien"}, {"start": "02:15:50", "end": "02:15:55", "text": "idea to Americans in the Victorian age."}, {"start": "02:15:53", "end": "02:15:56", "text": ">> So how about the occult with the"}, {"start": "02:15:55", "end": "02:15:59", "text": "founding fathers? Cuz it's it's there,"}, {"start": "02:15:56", "end": "02:16:02", "text": "isn't there? Oh, it's absolutely there."}, {"start": "02:15:59", "end": "02:16:05", "text": "Look for it in the connection of many of"}, {"start": "02:16:02", "end": "02:16:08", "text": "the founders to Freemasonry. An"}, {"start": "02:16:05", "end": "02:16:11", "text": "initiatory esoteric organization that"}, {"start": "02:16:08", "end": "02:16:14", "text": "uses symbolism as a means of teaching"}, {"start": "02:16:11", "end": "02:16:17", "text": "ethical development emerged above ground"}, {"start": "02:16:14", "end": "02:16:20", "text": "for the first time with the Grand Lodge"}, {"start": "02:16:17", "end": "02:16:22", "text": "of England in the early 1700s, but has"}, {"start": "02:16:20", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "roots that I think go back to the"}, {"start": "02:16:22", "end": "02:16:29", "text": "cathedral builders who used symbolic and"}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:32", "text": "pneumonic devices for memory as they"}, {"start": "02:16:29", "end": "02:16:35", "text": "were recording symbols into the great"}, {"start": "02:16:32", "end": "02:16:38", "text": "cathedrals. I think occultism"}, {"start": "02:16:35", "end": "02:16:40", "text": "emerged in different ways. I beg pardon."}, {"start": "02:16:38", "end": "02:16:42", "text": "Freemasonry emerged in different ways"}, {"start": "02:16:40", "end": "02:16:44", "text": "and through different iterations during"}, {"start": "02:16:42", "end": "02:16:47", "text": "the occult renaissance. You had certain"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:49", "text": "initiatory brotherhoods and orders, some"}, {"start": "02:16:47", "end": "02:16:50", "text": "of which might not have actually existed"}, {"start": "02:16:49", "end": "02:16:53", "text": "but might have been thought movements"}, {"start": "02:16:50", "end": "02:16:57", "text": "like reservianism. And all of this"}, {"start": "02:16:53", "end": "02:17:00", "text": "eventually converged into the initiatory"}, {"start": "02:16:57", "end": "02:17:03", "text": "order called Freemasonry. And you start"}, {"start": "02:17:00", "end": "02:17:08", "text": "to see the first telltale references"}, {"start": "02:17:03", "end": "02:17:11", "text": "1638 mid600s and then in 1717"}, {"start": "02:17:08", "end": "02:17:14", "text": "the United Lodge of England emerges"}, {"start": "02:17:11", "end": "02:17:18", "text": "above ground in London. Now many of the"}, {"start": "02:17:14", "end": "02:17:20", "text": "founders were freemasons. This includes"}, {"start": "02:17:18", "end": "02:17:23", "text": "George Washington."}, {"start": "02:17:20", "end": "02:17:27", "text": "This includes Benjamin Franklin. This"}, {"start": "02:17:23", "end": "02:17:28", "text": "includes Paul Rivere, John Hancock. an"}, {"start": "02:17:27", "end": "02:17:31", "text": "outsized number of Washington's"}, {"start": "02:17:28", "end": "02:17:33", "text": "generals, an outsized number of the"}, {"start": "02:17:31", "end": "02:17:35", "text": "signers of the declaration, the framers"}, {"start": "02:17:33", "end": "02:17:37", "text": "of the constitution. And this is very"}, {"start": "02:17:35", "end": "02:17:39", "text": "important. People look for this"}, {"start": "02:17:37", "end": "02:17:41", "text": "conspiracy narrative in this. Look"}, {"start": "02:17:39", "end": "02:17:43", "text": "somewhere else."}, {"start": "02:17:41", "end": "02:17:46", "text": "Masonry"}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:49", "text": "was a radically ecumenical organization."}, {"start": "02:17:46", "end": "02:17:53", "text": "At least according to ideals, anyone who"}, {"start": "02:17:49", "end": "02:17:56", "text": "believed in a creator could be a member."}, {"start": "02:17:53", "end": "02:17:58", "text": "and it fostered a protection of the"}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:01", "text": "individual search for meaning, albeit"}, {"start": "02:17:58", "end": "02:18:05", "text": "within a clandestine brotherhood. Some"}, {"start": "02:18:01", "end": "02:18:07", "text": "of these ideals as they eventually got"}, {"start": "02:18:05", "end": "02:18:10", "text": "translated into law in the American"}, {"start": "02:18:07", "end": "02:18:14", "text": "colonies and finally codified into the"}, {"start": "02:18:10", "end": "02:18:17", "text": "constitution were encountered by the"}, {"start": "02:18:14", "end": "02:18:20", "text": "early founders and framers due to their"}, {"start": "02:18:17", "end": "02:18:23", "text": "affiliation with Freemasonry. We forget"}, {"start": "02:18:20", "end": "02:18:27", "text": "how agrarian a nation America was. How"}, {"start": "02:18:23", "end": "02:18:28", "text": "rural a nation America was. We didn't"}, {"start": "02:18:27", "end": "02:18:32", "text": "have hospitals and cathedrals and"}, {"start": "02:18:28", "end": "02:18:35", "text": "libraries. We had farms, business, a"}, {"start": "02:18:32", "end": "02:18:38", "text": "graange to affiliate yourself with an"}, {"start": "02:18:35", "end": "02:18:41", "text": "initiatory order, a clandestine"}, {"start": "02:18:38", "end": "02:18:45", "text": "initiatory order that used right,"}, {"start": "02:18:41", "end": "02:18:47", "text": "ritual, occult symbol. That was a huge"}, {"start": "02:18:45", "end": "02:18:50", "text": "commitment for an individual in an"}, {"start": "02:18:47", "end": "02:18:53", "text": "agrarian nation. It was a conveyance of"}, {"start": "02:18:50", "end": "02:18:55", "text": "ideas. It it it stands to reason there"}, {"start": "02:18:53", "end": "02:18:57", "text": "were so few ties outside of family"}, {"start": "02:18:55", "end": "02:19:00", "text": "church business. To attach yourself to"}, {"start": "02:18:57", "end": "02:19:04", "text": "initiatory order of that type in a rural"}, {"start": "02:19:00", "end": "02:19:06", "text": "society, I think has to be seen as a"}, {"start": "02:19:04", "end": "02:19:06", "text": "real arterial influence in a person's"}, {"start": "02:19:06", "end": "02:19:10", "text": "life."}, {"start": "02:19:06", "end": "02:19:12", "text": ">> Sure. So, I am not a Freemason, but I am"}, {"start": "02:19:10", "end": "02:19:14", "text": "a great admirer of Freemasonry because I"}, {"start": "02:19:12", "end": "02:19:17", "text": "believe that affiliation"}, {"start": "02:19:14", "end": "02:19:20", "text": "introduced or helped introduce ideas"}, {"start": "02:19:17", "end": "02:19:24", "text": "into colonial life that were later"}, {"start": "02:19:20", "end": "02:19:28", "text": "codified into the Constitution."}, {"start": "02:19:24", "end": "02:19:29", "text": ">> How about Wallace's influence on the on"}, {"start": "02:19:28", "end": "02:19:32", "text": "the dollar bill?"}, {"start": "02:19:29", "end": "02:19:34", "text": ">> Absolutely wild. People want to talk"}, {"start": "02:19:32", "end": "02:19:36", "text": "about occult influences. Look at the"}, {"start": "02:19:34", "end": "02:19:38", "text": "back of the dollar bill. The mysterious"}, {"start": "02:19:36", "end": "02:19:41", "text": "eye and pyramid"}, {"start": "02:19:38", "end": "02:19:44", "text": ">> with the Latin maxim around it. Annuits"}, {"start": "02:19:41", "end": "02:19:47", "text": "no ordo secllorum. Providence smiles on"}, {"start": "02:19:44", "end": "02:19:49", "text": "our new order of the ages. It is not a"}, {"start": "02:19:47", "end": "02:19:51", "text": "masonic symbol per se, but I think it's"}, {"start": "02:19:49", "end": "02:19:53", "text": "fair to say that it's a leaf from"}, {"start": "02:19:51", "end": "02:19:55", "text": "Freemasonry. It's inspired by"}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:19:57", "text": "Freemasonry."}, {"start": "02:19:55", "end": "02:20:00", "text": "Um, by the way, the subcommittee that"}, {"start": "02:19:57", "end": "02:20:02", "text": "designed that"}, {"start": "02:20:00", "end": "02:20:04", "text": "beautiful, alluring symbol was chaired"}, {"start": "02:20:02", "end": "02:20:07", "text": "by none other than Benjamin Franklin"}, {"start": "02:20:04", "end": "02:20:09", "text": "himself, a Freemason."}, {"start": "02:20:07", "end": "02:20:11", "text": ">> We see the square and compass on the"}, {"start": "02:20:09", "end": "02:20:14", "text": "bill as well."}, {"start": "02:20:11", "end": "02:20:17", "text": ">> And I think that the ideals behind the"}, {"start": "02:20:14", "end": "02:20:20", "text": "image, while it's not a Masonic image,"}, {"start": "02:20:17", "end": "02:20:23", "text": "were masonic to the core. These fra"}, {"start": "02:20:20", "end": "02:20:26", "text": "framers wanted to associate the new"}, {"start": "02:20:23", "end": "02:20:29", "text": "republic with the great civilizations of"}, {"start": "02:20:26", "end": "02:20:31", "text": "antiquity. Rome, Greece, Egypt, Sparta."}, {"start": "02:20:29", "end": "02:20:33", "text": "You see it in our architecture. Just"}, {"start": "02:20:31", "end": "02:20:35", "text": "walk around DC. It's a temple to"}, {"start": "02:20:33", "end": "02:20:37", "text": "esoteric imagery. My god, the Library of"}, {"start": "02:20:35", "end": "02:20:40", "text": "Congress, you know, and you see it in"}, {"start": "02:20:37", "end": "02:20:42", "text": "other cities as well. Chicago, New York."}, {"start": "02:20:40", "end": "02:20:43", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:44", "text": "they wanted to associate the New"}, {"start": "02:20:43", "end": "02:20:46", "text": "Republic with a great chain of"}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:50", "text": "civilizations"}, {"start": "02:20:46", "end": "02:20:52", "text": "that probed the search for being, that"}, {"start": "02:20:50", "end": "02:20:55", "text": "saw themselves as expressions of"}, {"start": "02:20:52", "end": "02:20:57", "text": "providence, that in some cases really"}, {"start": "02:20:55", "end": "02:20:59", "text": "did protect the individual search for"}, {"start": "02:20:57", "end": "02:21:02", "text": "meaning. Rome could be a brutal"}, {"start": "02:20:59", "end": "02:21:04", "text": "conqueror, but Rome also afforded"}, {"start": "02:21:02", "end": "02:21:06", "text": "conquered peoples religious freedom and"}, {"start": "02:21:04", "end": "02:21:09", "text": "not infrequently incorporated some of"}, {"start": "02:21:06", "end": "02:21:11", "text": "their religious views into its own gods"}, {"start": "02:21:09", "end": "02:21:14", "text": "and rights and rituals."}, {"start": "02:21:11", "end": "02:21:17", "text": ">> And there were a very high set of ideals"}, {"start": "02:21:14", "end": "02:21:21", "text": "behind the design of the eye and"}, {"start": "02:21:17", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "pyramid. One of them being that material"}, {"start": "02:21:21", "end": "02:21:27", "text": "sustenance is incomplete without inner"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:30", "text": "knowing or the eye of providence. Now"}, {"start": "02:21:27", "end": "02:21:32", "text": "this symbol which is the on the reverse"}, {"start": "02:21:30", "end": "02:21:35", "text": "of the great seal of the United States,"}, {"start": "02:21:32", "end": "02:21:37", "text": "the obverse being the more familiar"}, {"start": "02:21:35", "end": "02:21:39", "text": "eagle with the"}, {"start": "02:21:37", "end": "02:21:42", "text": "um olive branches and and arrows"}, {"start": "02:21:39", "end": "02:21:46", "text": "clutched in its claws. This symbol uh"}, {"start": "02:21:42", "end": "02:21:48", "text": "was unfamiliar to most Americans until"}, {"start": "02:21:46", "end": "02:21:51", "text": "uh during the administration of Franklin"}, {"start": "02:21:48", "end": "02:21:53", "text": "Roosevelt. Roosevelt himself a Freemason"}, {"start": "02:21:51", "end": "02:21:56", "text": "and his secretary of agriculture later"}, {"start": "02:21:53", "end": "02:21:59", "text": "his vice president Henry Wallace himself"}, {"start": "02:21:56", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "a Freemason as well as a theosophist I"}, {"start": "02:21:59", "end": "02:22:06", "text": "should add. um they came up together"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:08", "text": "with the idea of minting that symbol"}, {"start": "02:22:06", "end": "02:22:13", "text": "God's smiles on our new order of the"}, {"start": "02:22:08", "end": "02:22:15", "text": "ages into some kind of coinage which"}, {"start": "02:22:13", "end": "02:22:17", "text": "they thought would inspire Americans"}, {"start": "02:22:15", "end": "02:22:19", "text": "during the depression and Wallace"}, {"start": "02:22:17", "end": "02:22:21", "text": "associated New Order of the Ages with"}, {"start": "02:22:19", "end": "02:22:22", "text": "New Deal of the Ages."}, {"start": "02:22:21", "end": "02:22:24", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "02:22:22", "end": "02:22:26", "text": ">> And eventually they determined to place"}, {"start": "02:22:24", "end": "02:22:29", "text": "the symbol on the back of the US dollar"}, {"start": "02:22:26", "end": "02:22:31", "text": "bill and in the US Treasury you can find"}, {"start": "02:22:29", "end": "02:22:34", "text": "records. I write about this in my book,"}, {"start": "02:22:31", "end": "02:22:37", "text": "Occult America. You can find records of"}, {"start": "02:22:34", "end": "02:22:39", "text": "Roosevelt's own handwriting supervising"}, {"start": "02:22:37", "end": "02:22:42", "text": "the placement of the mysterious iron"}, {"start": "02:22:39", "end": "02:22:44", "text": "pyramid on the back of our dollar bill,"}, {"start": "02:22:42", "end": "02:22:47", "text": "where it appeared for the first time in"}, {"start": "02:22:44", "end": "02:22:50", "text": "1935. And for the very first time, the"}, {"start": "02:22:47", "end": "02:22:53", "text": "mass of Americans became familiar with"}, {"start": "02:22:50", "end": "02:22:55", "text": "this esoteric and yes, occult symbol"}, {"start": "02:22:53", "end": "02:22:57", "text": "that previously had been just used for"}, {"start": "02:22:55", "end": "02:22:58", "text": "official business and was relatively"}, {"start": "02:22:57", "end": "02:23:00", "text": "unknown. I think it's one of the most"}, {"start": "02:22:58", "end": "02:23:04", "text": "beautiful"}, {"start": "02:23:00", "end": "02:23:05", "text": "expressions of ideals at the founding of"}, {"start": "02:23:04", "end": "02:23:07", "text": "this nation."}, {"start": "02:23:05", "end": "02:23:08", "text": ">> So a cult, we're really just talking"}, {"start": "02:23:07", "end": "02:23:10", "text": "about hidden knowledge."}, {"start": "02:23:08", "end": "02:23:12", "text": ">> Hidden knowledge, nothing more."}, {"start": "02:23:10", "end": "02:23:15", "text": ">> It's hidden. It's secret because it was"}, {"start": "02:23:12", "end": "02:23:16", "text": "left to decay. It was left to neglect."}, {"start": "02:23:15", "end": "02:23:18", "text": "Is there a hidden history? Of course"}, {"start": "02:23:16", "end": "02:23:20", "text": "there is. We're talking about Gandhi and"}, {"start": "02:23:18", "end": "02:23:21", "text": "Blovatzky."}, {"start": "02:23:20", "end": "02:23:23", "text": ">> You won't learn about that in most"}, {"start": "02:23:21", "end": "02:23:25", "text": "biographies of Gandhi. You'll see maybe"}, {"start": "02:23:23", "end": "02:23:28", "text": "scant mention of Madame Bllovatzky, if"}, {"start": "02:23:25", "end": "02:23:30", "text": "that at all. It's not hidden because"}, {"start": "02:23:28", "end": "02:23:34", "text": "it's it's concealed. It's hidden because"}, {"start": "02:23:30", "end": "02:23:34", "text": "it's neglected."}, {"start": "02:23:34", "end": "02:23:38", "text": ">> I'm going to change gears for a quick"}, {"start": "02:23:35", "end": "02:23:40", "text": "second. I think I saw in one of your"}, {"start": "02:23:38", "end": "02:23:41", "text": "books, maybe this one, mentioning Daryl"}, {"start": "02:23:40", "end": "02:23:43", "text": "Bem's work."}, {"start": "02:23:41", "end": "02:23:45", "text": ">> Oh, I am a big admire of Daryl Bem,"}, {"start": "02:23:43", "end": "02:23:49", "text": "great parasychologist."}, {"start": "02:23:45", "end": "02:23:52", "text": "Daryl is a clinical psychologist at"}, {"start": "02:23:49", "end": "02:23:54", "text": "Cornell University. He conducted an"}, {"start": "02:23:52", "end": "02:23:57", "text": "extraordinary decade of experiments"}, {"start": "02:23:54", "end": "02:24:00", "text": "which he published as a paper in 2011"}, {"start": "02:23:57", "end": "02:24:02", "text": "and these experiments were into the"}, {"start": "02:24:00", "end": "02:24:07", "text": "question of precognition"}, {"start": "02:24:02", "end": "02:24:09", "text": "and he found evidence of precognition in"}, {"start": "02:24:07", "end": "02:24:12", "text": "a very stringently designed series of"}, {"start": "02:24:09", "end": "02:24:15", "text": "experiments in which people were shown"}, {"start": "02:24:12", "end": "02:24:17", "text": "images that were meant to elicit a"}, {"start": "02:24:15", "end": "02:24:19", "text": "bodily response. They could be violent"}, {"start": "02:24:17", "end": "02:24:19", "text": "images or they could be erotic images."}, {"start": "02:24:19", "end": "02:24:21", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "02:24:19", "end": "02:24:24", "text": ">> And what he found was that moments"}, {"start": "02:24:21", "end": "02:24:27", "text": "before the image was displayed, the"}, {"start": "02:24:24", "end": "02:24:30", "text": "bodily response would begin to manifest"}, {"start": "02:24:27", "end": "02:24:34", "text": "like secretion of sweat or adrenaline or"}, {"start": "02:24:30", "end": "02:24:36", "text": "something of that nature. But in these"}, {"start": "02:24:34", "end": "02:24:39", "text": "experiments, he also included two"}, {"start": "02:24:36", "end": "02:24:41", "text": "radically and remarkably innovative"}, {"start": "02:24:39", "end": "02:24:44", "text": "experiments which caused tremendous"}, {"start": "02:24:41", "end": "02:24:48", "text": "controversy and which have since"}, {"start": "02:24:44", "end": "02:24:51", "text": "skeptics be damned been widely repeated"}, {"start": "02:24:48", "end": "02:24:55", "text": "and validated in metaanalyses."}, {"start": "02:24:51", "end": "02:24:58", "text": "Daryl found evidence for what I'll call"}, {"start": "02:24:55", "end": "02:25:01", "text": "cognitive retrocausality. In short, in"}, {"start": "02:24:58", "end": "02:25:04", "text": "short, he found that if people were"}, {"start": "02:25:01", "end": "02:25:06", "text": "given very simple memorization exams,"}, {"start": "02:25:04", "end": "02:25:07", "text": "they would get your average score,"}, {"start": "02:25:06", "end": "02:25:10", "text": "nothing surprising, nothing out of"}, {"start": "02:25:07", "end": "02:25:13", "text": "bounds. If you introduced a wrinkle to"}, {"start": "02:25:10", "end": "02:25:16", "text": "the experiment and you asked subjects to"}, {"start": "02:25:13", "end": "02:25:20", "text": "continue studying after the fact, after"}, {"start": "02:25:16", "end": "02:25:23", "text": "they took an exam, their scores would"}, {"start": "02:25:20", "end": "02:25:26", "text": "spike by a slight statistical degree,"}, {"start": "02:25:23", "end": "02:25:26", "text": "but actually a significant statistical"}, {"start": "02:25:26", "end": "02:25:27", "text": "degree"}, {"start": "02:25:26", "end": "02:25:29", "text": ">> beyond random."}, {"start": "02:25:27", "end": "02:25:31", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely beyond random, hands"}, {"start": "02:25:29", "end": "02:25:34", "text": "down, of maybe 2%. Something of that"}, {"start": "02:25:31", "end": "02:25:36", "text": "nature. not Zeus throwing lightning"}, {"start": "02:25:34", "end": "02:25:39", "text": "bolts to Earth, but something considered"}, {"start": "02:25:36", "end": "02:25:42", "text": "very statistically significant within"}, {"start": "02:25:39", "end": "02:25:45", "text": "the schema of cognitive psychology. And"}, {"start": "02:25:42", "end": "02:25:48", "text": "Daryl reasoned that there is in effect a"}, {"start": "02:25:45", "end": "02:25:49", "text": "reaching backwards"}, {"start": "02:25:48", "end": "02:25:50", "text": "in time"}, {"start": "02:25:49", "end": "02:25:53", "text": ">> in time"}, {"start": "02:25:50", "end": "02:25:57", "text": ">> in time of people's uh uh functional"}, {"start": "02:25:53", "end": "02:25:58", "text": "ability in this case cognitive ability"}, {"start": "02:25:57", "end": "02:26:00", "text": "on memory exams. And of course there"}, {"start": "02:25:58", "end": "02:26:03", "text": "were howls of protest even though"}, {"start": "02:26:00", "end": "02:26:06", "text": "Daryl's paper was heavily vetted and"}, {"start": "02:26:03", "end": "02:26:10", "text": "published in a standard journal of"}, {"start": "02:26:06", "end": "02:26:12", "text": "social psychology with no sympathies"}, {"start": "02:26:10", "end": "02:26:14", "text": "towards his thesis."}, {"start": "02:26:12", "end": "02:26:14", "text": ">> That's true. He just said this is what"}, {"start": "02:26:14", "end": "02:26:15", "text": "happened."}, {"start": "02:26:14", "end": "02:26:18", "text": ">> He said this is what happened. He"}, {"start": "02:26:15", "end": "02:26:19", "text": "documented it stringently. There was so"}, {"start": "02:26:18", "end": "02:26:21", "text": "much calumny"}, {"start": "02:26:19", "end": "02:26:24", "text": ">> directed against him. So much"}, {"start": "02:26:21", "end": "02:26:26", "text": "misinformation. And you can read it"}, {"start": "02:26:24", "end": "02:26:28", "text": ">> on Wikipedia. Sure. The home of"}, {"start": "02:26:26", "end": "02:26:29", "text": "misinformation about parasychology. The"}, {"start": "02:26:28", "end": "02:26:31", "text": "home of it."}, {"start": "02:26:29", "end": "02:26:33", "text": ">> Great place to learn about the"}, {"start": "02:26:31", "end": "02:26:37", "text": "Napoleonic Wars. Terrible place to learn"}, {"start": "02:26:33", "end": "02:26:39", "text": "about parasychology. It spiked. Um"}, {"start": "02:26:37", "end": "02:26:41", "text": "that's due to uh activist editors who"}, {"start": "02:26:39", "end": "02:26:43", "text": "were dedicated to discrediting any"}, {"start": "02:26:41", "end": "02:26:45", "text": "parasychological studies regardless of"}, {"start": "02:26:43", "end": "02:26:48", "text": "excellence in methodology and"}, {"start": "02:26:45", "end": "02:26:50", "text": "replication. And these these are facts."}, {"start": "02:26:48", "end": "02:26:52", "text": "That's why my books are heavily"}, {"start": "02:26:50", "end": "02:26:54", "text": "footnoted. And I ask people to go to my"}, {"start": "02:26:52", "end": "02:26:56", "text": "footnotes, look at my footnotes, and"}, {"start": "02:26:54", "end": "02:26:58", "text": "hold my feet to the fire if I am"}, {"start": "02:26:56", "end": "02:27:00", "text": "exaggerating because that's not my wish."}, {"start": "02:26:58", "end": "02:27:02", "text": ">> Well, let's detour for a quick second."}, {"start": "02:27:00", "end": "02:27:05", "text": "Why Why is there a professional skeptic"}, {"start": "02:27:02", "end": "02:27:09", "text": "industry? What why is that useful?"}, {"start": "02:27:05", "end": "02:27:12", "text": "It seems to me that the ultimate sin"}, {"start": "02:27:09", "end": "02:27:15", "text": "within western intellectual culture is"}, {"start": "02:27:12", "end": "02:27:19", "text": "to say that anything extraysical or"}, {"start": "02:27:15", "end": "02:27:23", "text": "spiritual or religious has any empirical"}, {"start": "02:27:19", "end": "02:27:26", "text": "concrete impact on our normal tactile"}, {"start": "02:27:23", "end": "02:27:30", "text": "world. You can talk about religion in"}, {"start": "02:27:26", "end": "02:27:32", "text": "terms of myth, meaning theology."}, {"start": "02:27:30", "end": "02:27:35", "text": "The minute you cross the bridge of"}, {"start": "02:27:32", "end": "02:27:38", "text": "suggesting that anything extra physical,"}, {"start": "02:27:35", "end": "02:27:41", "text": "let's say precognition, has some actual"}, {"start": "02:27:38", "end": "02:27:44", "text": "impact on our world, regardless of how"}, {"start": "02:27:41", "end": "02:27:48", "text": "stringently the evidence is gathered,"}, {"start": "02:27:44", "end": "02:27:51", "text": "vetted, analyzed, replicated, you are"}, {"start": "02:27:48", "end": "02:27:56", "text": "cast out. That is the one unforgivable"}, {"start": "02:27:51", "end": "02:27:58", "text": "sin within opinion making lettered"}, {"start": "02:27:56", "end": "02:28:00", "text": "culture."}, {"start": "02:27:58", "end": "02:28:02", "text": "primary reference material, wiki, first"}, {"start": "02:28:00", "end": "02:28:06", "text": "and foremost,"}, {"start": "02:28:02", "end": "02:28:08", "text": "social sciences, mainstream journalism,"}, {"start": "02:28:06", "end": "02:28:09", "text": "mainstream letters."}, {"start": "02:28:08", "end": "02:28:11", "text": "It's a point of view that's"}, {"start": "02:28:09", "end": "02:28:13", "text": "unsustainable because the evidence is"}, {"start": "02:28:11", "end": "02:28:15", "text": "just so strong. We could do a whole show"}, {"start": "02:28:13", "end": "02:28:18", "text": "on Daryl's research. It's extraordinary"}, {"start": "02:28:15", "end": "02:28:21", "text": "and its replication has proven beyond"}, {"start": "02:28:18", "end": "02:28:25", "text": "any reasonable doubt that these were not"}, {"start": "02:28:21", "end": "02:28:27", "text": "chance hits or accidents. His"}, {"start": "02:28:25", "end": "02:28:32", "text": "research has been proven confirmatory in"}, {"start": "02:28:27", "end": "02:28:35", "text": "a meta analysis involving 90 trials in"}, {"start": "02:28:32", "end": "02:28:37", "text": "33 different nations in 14 different"}, {"start": "02:28:35", "end": "02:28:41", "text": "labs. We don't even have that kind of"}, {"start": "02:28:37", "end": "02:28:43", "text": "data for aspirin. And these numbers are"}, {"start": "02:28:41", "end": "02:28:45", "text": "hardcore numbers. Doesn't mean that"}, {"start": "02:28:43", "end": "02:28:45", "text": "every experiment replicated his work. It"}, {"start": "02:28:45", "end": "02:28:46", "text": "did not."}, {"start": "02:28:45", "end": "02:28:48", "text": ">> It did not."}, {"start": "02:28:46", "end": "02:28:50", "text": ">> But what a metaanalysis does is it"}, {"start": "02:28:48", "end": "02:28:52", "text": "doesn't seek uniform replication. It"}, {"start": "02:28:50", "end": "02:28:53", "text": "seeks to mitigate against accident or"}, {"start": "02:28:52", "end": "02:28:56", "text": "happen stance. Right."}, {"start": "02:28:53", "end": "02:28:59", "text": ">> And as that goes, his data is"}, {"start": "02:28:56", "end": "02:29:01", "text": "bulletproof and replicated. I urge"}, {"start": "02:28:59", "end": "02:29:03", "text": "people to go into my footnotes and tell"}, {"start": "02:29:01", "end": "02:29:07", "text": "me where I'm exaggerating. Tell me where"}, {"start": "02:29:03", "end": "02:29:10", "text": "I've stuck my neck out too far because I"}, {"start": "02:29:07", "end": "02:29:14", "text": "am as dedicated to verity in describing"}, {"start": "02:29:10", "end": "02:29:17", "text": "these results as pseudo skeptics are to"}, {"start": "02:29:14", "end": "02:29:19", "text": "spiking them. So hold me hold my feet to"}, {"start": "02:29:17", "end": "02:29:23", "text": "the fire. What Daryl discovered is"}, {"start": "02:29:19", "end": "02:29:24", "text": "extraordinary. and he and Dean Raiden"}, {"start": "02:29:23", "end": "02:29:27", "text": "and other people who work in the"}, {"start": "02:29:24", "end": "02:29:30", "text": "parasychology field who are few. They"}, {"start": "02:29:27", "end": "02:29:33", "text": "are people of methodological excellence"}, {"start": "02:29:30", "end": "02:29:35", "text": "and there is a professional skeptic"}, {"start": "02:29:33", "end": "02:29:38", "text": "apparatus or pseudoskeepic or"}, {"start": "02:29:35", "end": "02:29:40", "text": "pseudorationalist apparatus that cannot"}, {"start": "02:29:38", "end": "02:29:42", "text": "tolerate it and they cannot tolerate it"}, {"start": "02:29:40", "end": "02:29:44", "text": "for reasons of sentiment which is"}, {"start": "02:29:42", "end": "02:29:45", "text": "because the data doesn't mean anything"}, {"start": "02:29:44", "end": "02:29:48", "text": "to them and in most cases they don't"}, {"start": "02:29:45", "end": "02:29:50", "text": "even know the data. They can't tolerate"}, {"start": "02:29:48", "end": "02:29:52", "text": "it because they will not accept the"}, {"start": "02:29:50", "end": "02:29:56", "text": "divide of"}, {"start": "02:29:52", "end": "02:29:57", "text": "extraysical effect crossing into tactile"}, {"start": "02:29:56", "end": "02:30:00", "text": "world. They don't believe in the extra"}, {"start": "02:29:57", "end": "02:30:02", "text": "physical. It's a matter of religious"}, {"start": "02:30:00", "end": "02:30:04", "text": "secular"}, {"start": "02:30:02", "end": "02:30:05", "text": "religious faith. For them, they're"}, {"start": "02:30:04", "end": "02:30:06", "text": "materialist."}, {"start": "02:30:05", "end": "02:30:08", "text": ">> I've seen critiques of your book that"}, {"start": "02:30:06", "end": "02:30:10", "text": "I've read and and I've read"}, {"start": "02:30:08", "end": "02:30:12", "text": ">> this guy didn't read the book."}, {"start": "02:30:10", "end": "02:30:12", "text": ">> This is a critique. He didn't read the"}, {"start": "02:30:12", "end": "02:30:14", "text": "book"}, {"start": "02:30:12", "end": "02:30:14", "text": ">> and won't debate me."}, {"start": "02:30:14", "end": "02:30:17", "text": ">> Won't debate you."}, {"start": "02:30:14", "end": "02:30:19", "text": ">> They run from me. I have challenged any"}, {"start": "02:30:17", "end": "02:30:24", "text": "number of credentialed skeptics to"}, {"start": "02:30:19", "end": "02:30:26", "text": "debates. They run. They run because the"}, {"start": "02:30:24", "end": "02:30:28", "text": "data is tough. It's hard one. It's not"}, {"start": "02:30:26", "end": "02:30:28", "text": "easy to get your mind around this stuff."}, {"start": "02:30:28", "end": "02:30:30", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:30:28", "end": "02:30:32", "text": ">> You know, you really have to go deep"}, {"start": "02:30:30", "end": "02:30:35", "text": "into this data to understand its"}, {"start": "02:30:32", "end": "02:30:37", "text": "validity and replication."}, {"start": "02:30:35", "end": "02:30:38", "text": "And uh if you're going to do a hit-and-"}, {"start": "02:30:37", "end": "02:30:39", "text": "run attack,"}, {"start": "02:30:38", "end": "02:30:40", "text": ">> I'm not the guy you want to be sitting"}, {"start": "02:30:39", "end": "02:30:43", "text": "across from."}, {"start": "02:30:40", "end": "02:30:44", "text": ">> No, you're not. Um, and it's it's so"}, {"start": "02:30:43", "end": "02:30:46", "text": "astounding because we've all had"}, {"start": "02:30:44", "end": "02:30:48", "text": "synchronicities or coincidence. We've"}, {"start": "02:30:46", "end": "02:30:49", "text": "all experienced it. They have as well"}, {"start": "02:30:48", "end": "02:30:51", "text": "and they're denying it."}, {"start": "02:30:49", "end": "02:30:54", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "02:30:51", "end": "02:30:56", "text": ">> So, tell me about manifestation in the"}, {"start": "02:30:54", "end": "02:30:59", "text": "future if I'm a Thai boxer."}, {"start": "02:30:56", "end": "02:31:00", "text": ">> Oh, this is very interesting. There's a"}, {"start": "02:30:59", "end": "02:31:01", "text": ">> This is wild."}, {"start": "02:31:00", "end": "02:31:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a Thai"}, {"start": "02:31:01", "end": "02:31:08", "text": "kickboxer named Spencer Hanley, champion"}, {"start": "02:31:04", "end": "02:31:11", "text": "fighter, and he was nine days out from a"}, {"start": "02:31:08", "end": "02:31:13", "text": "championship bout. and he said, \"I'm"}, {"start": "02:31:11", "end": "02:31:14", "text": "feeling really good about my training,"}, {"start": "02:31:13", "end": "02:31:18", "text": "but I wonder if you could recommend"}, {"start": "02:31:14", "end": "02:31:21", "text": "something that will strengthen my mental"}, {"start": "02:31:18", "end": "02:31:23", "text": "game.\" And so I gave him an exercise,"}, {"start": "02:31:21", "end": "02:31:25", "text": "very simple, very ordinary exercise"}, {"start": "02:31:23", "end": "02:31:28", "text": "called the 30-day mental challenge,"}, {"start": "02:31:25", "end": "02:31:30", "text": "which just involves directing your"}, {"start": "02:31:28", "end": "02:31:33", "text": "thoughts to the degree possible along"}, {"start": "02:31:30", "end": "02:31:36", "text": "productive lines for 30 days. I'm I'm"}, {"start": "02:31:33", "end": "02:31:39", "text": "simplifying it, but that's the basic uh"}, {"start": "02:31:36", "end": "02:31:41", "text": "gist of it. And so he said to me,\"Well,"}, {"start": "02:31:39", "end": "02:31:44", "text": "look, I like this and I'm going to do"}, {"start": "02:31:41", "end": "02:31:45", "text": "it, but this is 30 days. I need"}, {"start": "02:31:44", "end": "02:31:47", "text": "something that's going to prep me for a"}, {"start": "02:31:45", "end": "02:31:50", "text": "fight that's nine days away.\" And I said"}, {"start": "02:31:47", "end": "02:31:52", "text": "to him, \"Spencer, this will prep you for"}, {"start": "02:31:50", "end": "02:31:54", "text": "it.\" And I walked him through Daryl"}, {"start": "02:31:52", "end": "02:31:56", "text": "Bem's research. I walked him through the"}, {"start": "02:31:54", "end": "02:32:00", "text": "replication of the research. I walked"}, {"start": "02:31:56", "end": "02:32:04", "text": "him through the warranted belief that"}, {"start": "02:32:00", "end": "02:32:06", "text": "Daryl's research deserves. And I said to"}, {"start": "02:32:04", "end": "02:32:08", "text": "him, \"Working on your mental game after"}, {"start": "02:32:06", "end": "02:32:11", "text": "the fight is very likely to have a"}, {"start": "02:32:08", "end": "02:32:14", "text": "cognitive reachback effect that improves"}, {"start": "02:32:11", "end": "02:32:16", "text": "your mental game during the fight.\" And"}, {"start": "02:32:14", "end": "02:32:18", "text": "I said, \"If nothing else, I can assure"}, {"start": "02:32:16", "end": "02:32:20", "text": "you your opponent's coaches are not"}, {"start": "02:32:18", "end": "02:32:24", "text": "talking to him about retrocausality."}, {"start": "02:32:20", "end": "02:32:27", "text": "They're not. I promise.\" And so,"}, {"start": "02:32:24", "end": "02:32:29", "text": ">> so he did it. And you can you can you"}, {"start": "02:32:27", "end": "02:32:32", "text": "can watch the fight on YouTube. It was a"}, {"start": "02:32:29", "end": "02:32:33", "text": "championship bout outside of Houston. He"}, {"start": "02:32:32", "end": "02:32:35", "text": "came out. I don't know why. He was"}, {"start": "02:32:33", "end": "02:32:35", "text": "wearing a Hawaiian lelay around his"}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:36", "text": "neck."}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:40", "text": ">> Very relaxed,"}, {"start": "02:32:36", "end": "02:32:41", "text": ">> right? Relaxed, at ease, in good humor,"}, {"start": "02:32:40", "end": "02:32:43", "text": "respectful to his opponent, but he was"}, {"start": "02:32:41", "end": "02:32:46", "text": "in command from the bell. He was in"}, {"start": "02:32:43", "end": "02:32:48", "text": "command and he won handily."}, {"start": "02:32:46", "end": "02:32:50", "text": ">> Now, for his entry music, the fighters"}, {"start": "02:32:48", "end": "02:32:52", "text": "can choose their own entry music, and"}, {"start": "02:32:50", "end": "02:32:55", "text": "usually they'll choose this ear bleeding"}, {"start": "02:32:52", "end": "02:32:57", "text": "drill rap or technal."}, {"start": "02:32:55", "end": "02:32:59", "text": ">> He chose the Belinda Carile song, Heaven"}, {"start": "02:32:57", "end": "02:33:01", "text": "is a Place on Earth. And one of the ring"}, {"start": "02:32:59", "end": "02:33:03", "text": "announcers said, \"The fact that he's"}, {"start": "02:33:01", "end": "02:33:05", "text": "coming out to Belinda Carlile makes me"}, {"start": "02:33:03", "end": "02:33:07", "text": "so happy."}, {"start": "02:33:05", "end": "02:33:10", "text": "This is the simple truth."}, {"start": "02:33:07", "end": "02:33:12", "text": "Two days later, I had not written about"}, {"start": "02:33:10", "end": "02:33:16", "text": "this, talked about this, mentioned this"}, {"start": "02:33:12", "end": "02:33:19", "text": "to anybody. Blinda Carlile,"}, {"start": "02:33:16", "end": "02:33:20", "text": "who I've been in love with since age 17,"}, {"start": "02:33:19", "end": "02:33:24", "text": ">> sure,"}, {"start": "02:33:20", "end": "02:33:26", "text": ">> leaves me two voicemails telling me, \"I"}, {"start": "02:33:24", "end": "02:33:28", "text": "just want you to know I've been reading"}, {"start": "02:33:26", "end": "02:33:30", "text": "your work and I really like it and I'm a"}, {"start": "02:33:28", "end": "02:33:34", "text": "fan and you know, bravo to you for what"}, {"start": "02:33:30", "end": "02:33:35", "text": "you do.\" I mean, I dying happy. 3 2 1,"}, {"start": "02:33:34", "end": "02:33:37", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:33:35", "end": "02:33:39", "text": ">> The whole confluence of events was just"}, {"start": "02:33:37", "end": "02:33:41", "text": "extraordinary. That's the only way I can"}, {"start": "02:33:39", "end": "02:33:44", "text": "describe it. There are these hidden"}, {"start": "02:33:41", "end": "02:33:47", "text": "tendrils. And when we catch a glimpse of"}, {"start": "02:33:44", "end": "02:33:50", "text": "these hidden tendrils, we know that that"}, {"start": "02:33:47", "end": "02:33:52", "text": "life is not just cognition and and motor"}, {"start": "02:33:50", "end": "02:33:52", "text": "skill. It's it's something else."}, {"start": "02:33:52", "end": "02:33:54", "text": ">> It has to be."}, {"start": "02:33:52", "end": "02:33:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:33:54", "end": "02:33:58", "text": ">> I just think it's so funny that we've"}, {"start": "02:33:56", "end": "02:34:00", "text": "got black flag, circle jerks, dead"}, {"start": "02:33:58", "end": "02:34:01", "text": "Kennedys, but there's always room for"}, {"start": "02:34:00", "end": "02:34:03", "text": "Belinda Carlile."}, {"start": "02:34:01", "end": "02:34:05", "text": ">> There is always room for And I love her."}, {"start": "02:34:03", "end": "02:34:07", "text": "Listen, she came out of punk. The Go-Os"}, {"start": "02:34:05", "end": "02:34:08", "text": "came out of punk, so she didn't say"}, {"start": "02:34:07", "end": "02:34:10", "text": "that. Anyone who says the go- go didn't"}, {"start": "02:34:08", "end": "02:34:12", "text": "rock is wrong."}, {"start": "02:34:10", "end": "02:34:14", "text": ">> Totally. I love them. They upended"}, {"start": "02:34:12", "end": "02:34:17", "text": "things when I was 16, 17."}, {"start": "02:34:14", "end": "02:34:18", "text": ">> Uh we had all had them on our walls."}, {"start": "02:34:17", "end": "02:34:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:34:18", "end": "02:34:25", "text": ">> There was something"}, {"start": "02:34:21", "end": "02:34:26", "text": "in the rules that"}, {"start": "02:34:25", "end": "02:34:27", "text": "really struck me."}, {"start": "02:34:26", "end": "02:34:30", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:34:27", "end": "02:34:31", "text": ">> And it was about forgiveness."}, {"start": "02:34:30", "end": "02:34:32", "text": ">> You know what I'm talking about."}, {"start": "02:34:31", "end": "02:34:34", "text": ">> Don't come to horror what's for"}, {"start": "02:34:32", "end": "02:34:36", "text": "forgiveness. No, I I'm not against"}, {"start": "02:34:34", "end": "02:34:37", "text": "forgiveness, but I'm against it as a"}, {"start": "02:34:36", "end": "02:34:39", "text": "blanket rule. I think it gets uh"}, {"start": "02:34:37", "end": "02:34:41", "text": "presented to us."}, {"start": "02:34:39", "end": "02:34:44", "text": ">> I liked it is if someone causes you"}, {"start": "02:34:41", "end": "02:34:44", "text": "trauma, you have no you don't have to"}, {"start": "02:34:44", "end": "02:34:47", "text": "forgive that."}, {"start": "02:34:44", "end": "02:34:51", "text": ">> You don't have to for you can abide. I"}, {"start": "02:34:47", "end": "02:34:53", "text": "counsel abiding versus forgiving. I"}, {"start": "02:34:51", "end": "02:34:55", "text": "think that forgiveness through"}, {"start": "02:34:53", "end": "02:35:00", "text": "conditioning has been presented to us as"}, {"start": "02:34:55", "end": "02:35:01", "text": "this indispensable spiritual law. And I"}, {"start": "02:35:00", "end": "02:35:04", "text": "dispute that because I think it can tear"}, {"start": "02:35:01", "end": "02:35:09", "text": "a person too. When a person has suffered"}, {"start": "02:35:04", "end": "02:35:09", "text": "trauma as as we all have,"}, {"start": "02:35:09", "end": "02:35:15", "text": "let that be refining. Let that be a go"}, {"start": "02:35:12", "end": "02:35:18", "text": "to something better. Let that be a a"}, {"start": "02:35:15", "end": "02:35:21", "text": "profound realization that hits me with"}, {"start": "02:35:18", "end": "02:35:24", "text": "the force of never wanting if I'm if I'm"}, {"start": "02:35:21", "end": "02:35:27", "text": "able to visit such a thing on another"}, {"start": "02:35:24", "end": "02:35:29", "text": "person. But forgiving, if it comes"}, {"start": "02:35:27", "end": "02:35:31", "text": "natural to you and you so wish, then by"}, {"start": "02:35:29", "end": "02:35:35", "text": "all means. But I don't think forgiveness"}, {"start": "02:35:31", "end": "02:35:38", "text": "is this absolutely necessary escape"}, {"start": "02:35:35", "end": "02:35:40", "text": "hatch or this must pass through tollgate"}, {"start": "02:35:38", "end": "02:35:43", "text": "before going on to something higher and"}, {"start": "02:35:40", "end": "02:35:45", "text": "greater and better. I don't see it as a"}, {"start": "02:35:43", "end": "02:35:49", "text": "spiritual law. I don't see it as an"}, {"start": "02:35:45", "end": "02:35:51", "text": "ethical imperative. I see it as an idea"}, {"start": "02:35:49", "end": "02:35:54", "text": "that might fit some situations and not"}, {"start": "02:35:51", "end": "02:35:57", "text": "others. And although I venerate the 12"}, {"start": "02:35:54", "end": "02:35:59", "text": "steps and I venerate modern teachings"}, {"start": "02:35:57", "end": "02:36:01", "text": "like Course in Miracles, the channel"}, {"start": "02:35:59", "end": "02:36:02", "text": "text and I"}, {"start": "02:36:01", "end": "02:36:02", "text": ">> You've narrated the 12 steps, haven't"}, {"start": "02:36:02", "end": "02:36:05", "text": "you?"}, {"start": "02:36:02", "end": "02:36:06", "text": ">> Yes, I have. One of the proudest acts of"}, {"start": "02:36:05", "end": "02:36:06", "text": "my career."}, {"start": "02:36:06", "end": "02:36:08", "text": ">> It should be"}, {"start": "02:36:06", "end": "02:36:10", "text": ">> one of the proudest acts of my career. I"}, {"start": "02:36:08", "end": "02:36:12", "text": "love Bill Wilson and I venerate the 12"}, {"start": "02:36:10", "end": "02:36:15", "text": "steps. But I don't want people to feel"}, {"start": "02:36:12", "end": "02:36:18", "text": "blocked off from spiritual paths like"}, {"start": "02:36:15", "end": "02:36:20", "text": "that. If forgiveness presents a problem,"}, {"start": "02:36:18", "end": "02:36:21", "text": "I understand the rationale. And if it"}, {"start": "02:36:20", "end": "02:36:24", "text": "works for the individual, I am first in"}, {"start": "02:36:21", "end": "02:36:25", "text": "line to shake that person's hand, but I"}, {"start": "02:36:24", "end": "02:36:27", "text": "don't want people to feel like"}, {"start": "02:36:25", "end": "02:36:31", "text": "spirituality"}, {"start": "02:36:27", "end": "02:36:33", "text": "has rules that make it necessary to pass"}, {"start": "02:36:31", "end": "02:36:38", "text": "go before you can do something else. I"}, {"start": "02:36:33", "end": "02:36:39", "text": "think that suffering can be a a go. It"}, {"start": "02:36:38", "end": "02:36:41", "text": "can be abided. Doesn't have to be"}, {"start": "02:36:39", "end": "02:36:42", "text": "forgiven."}, {"start": "02:36:41", "end": "02:36:44", "text": "There's going to be a lot of people who"}, {"start": "02:36:42", "end": "02:36:47", "text": "are kind of happy to hear that because"}, {"start": "02:36:44", "end": "02:36:50", "text": "they're maybe it's a woman who was"}, {"start": "02:36:47", "end": "02:36:51", "text": "attacked and she feels like"}, {"start": "02:36:50", "end": "02:36:52", "text": ">> I'm not a good person because I can't"}, {"start": "02:36:51", "end": "02:36:55", "text": "forgive what happened to me"}, {"start": "02:36:52", "end": "02:36:56", "text": ">> and my heart goes out to that person."}, {"start": "02:36:55", "end": "02:37:00", "text": ">> She is."}, {"start": "02:36:56", "end": "02:37:04", "text": ">> She is. She is. I have witnessed seekers"}, {"start": "02:37:00", "end": "02:37:05", "text": "torn in two because they're told you"}, {"start": "02:37:04", "end": "02:37:08", "text": "have to use this language. You have to"}, {"start": "02:37:05", "end": "02:37:11", "text": "use language of forgiveness or service"}, {"start": "02:37:08", "end": "02:37:14", "text": "or thy will be done or something else or"}, {"start": "02:37:11", "end": "02:37:17", "text": "non-attachment, non-identification,"}, {"start": "02:37:14", "end": "02:37:20", "text": "personality versus essence. These things"}, {"start": "02:37:17", "end": "02:37:22", "text": "as I see it are all"}, {"start": "02:37:20", "end": "02:37:25", "text": "they're artifice. They're human"}, {"start": "02:37:22", "end": "02:37:28", "text": "constructions. All religions"}, {"start": "02:37:25", "end": "02:37:29", "text": "have been created at the hands of human"}, {"start": "02:37:28", "end": "02:37:33", "text": "beings"}, {"start": "02:37:29", "end": "02:37:36", "text": "and they all derive from a certain time"}, {"start": "02:37:33", "end": "02:37:38", "text": "and place to whose needs they responded."}, {"start": "02:37:36", "end": "02:37:41", "text": "So most of our religions, for example,"}, {"start": "02:37:38", "end": "02:37:44", "text": "came out of highly stratified cast-based"}, {"start": "02:37:41", "end": "02:37:48", "text": "societies where a person had no greater"}, {"start": "02:37:44", "end": "02:37:51", "text": "likelihood of exiting the cast into"}, {"start": "02:37:48", "end": "02:37:55", "text": "which he or she was born than walking"}, {"start": "02:37:51", "end": "02:37:57", "text": "the surface of another planet. And the"}, {"start": "02:37:55", "end": "02:37:59", "text": "religions, Abrahamic religion, Vadic"}, {"start": "02:37:57", "end": "02:38:02", "text": "religions sought to compensate for that"}, {"start": "02:37:59", "end": "02:38:07", "text": "by forecasting deliverance in some"}, {"start": "02:38:02", "end": "02:38:09", "text": "future state of being. That is a"}, {"start": "02:38:07", "end": "02:38:11", "text": "response to the predicament of an age"}, {"start": "02:38:09", "end": "02:38:16", "text": "and an era. All I'm really trying to say"}, {"start": "02:38:11", "end": "02:38:19", "text": "is verify question. Ask again, how do I"}, {"start": "02:38:16", "end": "02:38:21", "text": "know that's true? The individual could"}, {"start": "02:38:19", "end": "02:38:24", "text": "go on to extraordinary ethical"}, {"start": "02:38:21", "end": "02:38:26", "text": "development and happiness without"}, {"start": "02:38:24", "end": "02:38:30", "text": "forgiving and shouldn't feel chained to"}, {"start": "02:38:26", "end": "02:38:32", "text": "that as a musto or an infallible law."}, {"start": "02:38:30", "end": "02:38:36", "text": "It's conceptual. It's not legal. And I"}, {"start": "02:38:32", "end": "02:38:39", "text": "want people to feel a flexibility."}, {"start": "02:38:36", "end": "02:38:42", "text": ">> That's nicely said. Um, what about the"}, {"start": "02:38:39", "end": "02:38:45", "text": "rule about the death of your tormentor?"}, {"start": "02:38:42", "end": "02:38:47", "text": ">> That's that's a striking one."}, {"start": "02:38:45", "end": "02:38:49", "text": ">> People suffer. People suffer at the"}, {"start": "02:38:47", "end": "02:38:51", "text": "hands of bullies and tormentors. And"}, {"start": "02:38:49", "end": "02:38:54", "text": "sometimes they just can't find a way"}, {"start": "02:38:51", "end": "02:38:55", "text": "out. And I just want to say, William"}, {"start": "02:38:54", "end": "02:38:57", "text": "James, the great American philosopher,"}, {"start": "02:38:55", "end": "02:39:00", "text": "used to say to people who were suffering"}, {"start": "02:38:57", "end": "02:39:03", "text": "suicidal thoughts, can you stand it one"}, {"start": "02:39:00", "end": "02:39:06", "text": "more day? Can you stand it just one more"}, {"start": "02:39:03", "end": "02:39:09", "text": "day? Because extraordinary turnarounds"}, {"start": "02:39:06", "end": "02:39:11", "text": "occur. Remarkable things happen. And"}, {"start": "02:39:09", "end": "02:39:13", "text": "what I want to say to people who are"}, {"start": "02:39:11", "end": "02:39:15", "text": "suffering from a tormentor, first of"}, {"start": "02:39:13", "end": "02:39:18", "text": "all, get away from that person. If you"}, {"start": "02:39:15", "end": "02:39:20", "text": "absolutely cannot get away from that"}, {"start": "02:39:18", "end": "02:39:24", "text": "person or for the time being, you cannot"}, {"start": "02:39:20", "end": "02:39:26", "text": "get away from that person. Keep in mind,"}, {"start": "02:39:24", "end": "02:39:28", "text": "extraordinary things happen all the"}, {"start": "02:39:26", "end": "02:39:31", "text": "time. Just as we are visited by"}, {"start": "02:39:28", "end": "02:39:35", "text": "catastrophe, we are also visited visited"}, {"start": "02:39:31", "end": "02:39:39", "text": "by just remarkable unbidden good news"}, {"start": "02:39:35", "end": "02:39:41", "text": "and tidings. A bully, a tormentor, a"}, {"start": "02:39:39", "end": "02:39:43", "text": "cruel person."}, {"start": "02:39:41", "end": "02:39:46", "text": "Could they just disappear? Could they"}, {"start": "02:39:43", "end": "02:39:47", "text": "just die? Could they exit the scene?"}, {"start": "02:39:46", "end": "02:39:48", "text": "Absolutely."}, {"start": "02:39:47", "end": "02:39:52", "text": ">> And that's okay."}, {"start": "02:39:48", "end": "02:39:55", "text": ">> Yes, that's okay. Don't trouble yourself"}, {"start": "02:39:52", "end": "02:39:58", "text": "feeling that that's not okay. We live in"}, {"start": "02:39:55", "end": "02:40:01", "text": "a world of extraordinary"}, {"start": "02:39:58", "end": "02:40:03", "text": "suffering and catastrophe, most of it"}, {"start": "02:40:01", "end": "02:40:06", "text": "unbidden and undeserved. And we live in"}, {"start": "02:40:03", "end": "02:40:09", "text": "a world of extraordinary good news and"}, {"start": "02:40:06", "end": "02:40:11", "text": "remarkable tidings for which we are in"}, {"start": "02:40:09", "end": "02:40:15", "text": "debt. If you are suffering at someone's"}, {"start": "02:40:11", "end": "02:40:17", "text": "hands and that person disappears, go on"}, {"start": "02:40:15", "end": "02:40:22", "text": "with your life and be better to your"}, {"start": "02:40:17", "end": "02:40:23", "text": "neighbor. But don't give up a sense of I"}, {"start": "02:40:22", "end": "02:40:25", "text": "don't like to use the word faith because"}, {"start": "02:40:23", "end": "02:40:28", "text": "I speak in terms of persistence more"}, {"start": "02:40:25", "end": "02:40:31", "text": "than faith. But it's warranted to"}, {"start": "02:40:28", "end": "02:40:33", "text": "persist in the verite that that person"}, {"start": "02:40:31", "end": "02:40:36", "text": "could disappear all of a sudden. It"}, {"start": "02:40:33", "end": "02:40:38", "text": "happens all the time and you will be"}, {"start": "02:40:36", "end": "02:40:41", "text": "free and you will rediscover yourself as"}, {"start": "02:40:38", "end": "02:40:42", "text": "a person of good humor and relaxation."}, {"start": "02:40:41", "end": "02:40:44", "text": "And I wish it for everyone who's"}, {"start": "02:40:42", "end": "02:40:45", "text": "suffering"}, {"start": "02:40:44", "end": "02:40:48", "text": ">> because there were a few rules that"}, {"start": "02:40:45", "end": "02:40:49", "text": "spoke to me because being a a bright"}, {"start": "02:40:48", "end": "02:40:53", "text": "student in the New York public school"}, {"start": "02:40:49", "end": "02:40:57", "text": "system was not great for me early on. So"}, {"start": "02:40:53", "end": "02:40:58", "text": "lesson 42 is um learn to fight."}, {"start": "02:40:57", "end": "02:40:59", "text": ">> Not a bad idea."}, {"start": "02:40:58", "end": "02:41:01", "text": ">> So I did that."}, {"start": "02:40:59", "end": "02:41:02", "text": ">> Good for you."}, {"start": "02:41:01", "end": "02:41:04", "text": ">> Did you Were you bullied?"}, {"start": "02:41:02", "end": "02:41:05", "text": ">> Oh yeah, I was."}, {"start": "02:41:04", "end": "02:41:06", "text": ">> Of course you were."}, {"start": "02:41:05", "end": "02:41:07", "text": ">> And anybody who's different gets"}, {"start": "02:41:06", "end": "02:41:09", "text": "bullied."}, {"start": "02:41:07", "end": "02:41:10", "text": ">> There's anger in your list. Righteous"}, {"start": "02:41:09", "end": "02:41:12", "text": "anger. But I but it's there."}, {"start": "02:41:10", "end": "02:41:14", "text": ">> There's definitely anger in my list."}, {"start": "02:41:12", "end": "02:41:18", "text": "Anger is part of life. Sorrow is part of"}, {"start": "02:41:14", "end": "02:41:20", "text": "life. Extraordinary joy is part of life."}, {"start": "02:41:18", "end": "02:41:22", "text": "I mean, my god, last night, this is why"}, {"start": "02:41:20", "end": "02:41:24", "text": "I'm so glad you brought me to Vegas."}, {"start": "02:41:22", "end": "02:41:29", "text": "Last night, um, my wife, Jacqueline"}, {"start": "02:41:24", "end": "02:41:32", "text": "Castell, and I um, we"}, {"start": "02:41:29", "end": "02:41:35", "text": "repeated our wedding vows at the"}, {"start": "02:41:32", "end": "02:41:36", "text": "Graceland Chapel with Elvis officiating."}, {"start": "02:41:35", "end": "02:41:37", "text": ">> Perfect."}, {"start": "02:41:36", "end": "02:41:41", "text": ">> You should have seen the smile on my"}, {"start": "02:41:37", "end": "02:41:43", "text": "face. Perfect. is a dream come true. Um,"}, {"start": "02:41:41", "end": "02:41:46", "text": "when I was 12 years old, I had tickets"}, {"start": "02:41:43", "end": "02:41:50", "text": "to see Elvis live. He died five days"}, {"start": "02:41:46", "end": "02:41:53", "text": "before the concert. I cried and cried."}, {"start": "02:41:50", "end": "02:41:59", "text": ">> Now, all I'm really trying to get across"}, {"start": "02:41:53", "end": "02:42:03", "text": "is, do I anger? I do. Do I incredible"}, {"start": "02:41:59", "end": "02:42:05", "text": "joy? I do. Last night was a night of joy"}, {"start": "02:42:03", "end": "02:42:08", "text": "to have Elvis officiating at our"}, {"start": "02:42:05", "end": "02:42:11", "text": "wedding. And I could tell you this. Uh"}, {"start": "02:42:08", "end": "02:42:12", "text": "he played um and we sang with him God"}, {"start": "02:42:11", "end": "02:42:12", "text": "Save the Queen, the Pistols version."}, {"start": "02:42:12", "end": "02:42:14", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "02:42:12", "end": "02:42:16", "text": ">> Oh, you just gave me chills. Elvis"}, {"start": "02:42:14", "end": "02:42:18", "text": "singing Sex Pistols is amazing."}, {"start": "02:42:16", "end": "02:42:23", "text": ">> Sing God Save the Queen with Elvis"}, {"start": "02:42:18", "end": "02:42:26", "text": "Presley. Um that was a moment. Yeah. So,"}, {"start": "02:42:23", "end": "02:42:28", "text": "uh let joy flow, you know, let anger"}, {"start": "02:42:26", "end": "02:42:31", "text": "flow, but let ethics flow too. Let"}, {"start": "02:42:28", "end": "02:42:32", "text": "reciprocity flow too. Let empathy flow"}, {"start": "02:42:31", "end": "02:42:35", "text": "too."}, {"start": "02:42:32", "end": "02:42:38", "text": "We're human beings and we live under a"}, {"start": "02:42:35", "end": "02:42:40", "text": "myriad of laws and forces. Don't tear"}, {"start": "02:42:38", "end": "02:42:42", "text": "yourself apart. Learn to live better"}, {"start": "02:42:40", "end": "02:42:44", "text": "within them."}, {"start": "02:42:42", "end": "02:42:45", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "02:42:44", "end": "02:42:48", "text": "I'm going to I'm going to challenge you"}, {"start": "02:42:45", "end": "02:42:49", "text": "now because you don't have much hope for"}, {"start": "02:42:48", "end": "02:42:51", "text": "humanity. I'm going to challenge you to"}, {"start": "02:42:49", "end": "02:42:53", "text": "give us a little hope and land this"}, {"start": "02:42:51", "end": "02:42:56", "text": "plane for everybody listening. Can we"}, {"start": "02:42:53", "end": "02:42:58", "text": "can we use your work to land on a"}, {"start": "02:42:56", "end": "02:42:59", "text": "positive note? Because there's a lot of"}, {"start": "02:42:58", "end": "02:43:02", "text": "positivity in it."}, {"start": "02:42:59", "end": "02:43:05", "text": ">> The individual can. the individual can."}, {"start": "02:43:02", "end": "02:43:08", "text": "I place no stock in humanity as a whole."}, {"start": "02:43:05", "end": "02:43:11", "text": "Dare say I don't love humanity as a"}, {"start": "02:43:08", "end": "02:43:14", "text": "whole. I see humanity uh talking one way"}, {"start": "02:43:11", "end": "02:43:16", "text": "and conducting itself another. And"}, {"start": "02:43:14", "end": "02:43:18", "text": "that's true of most individuals as well."}, {"start": "02:43:16", "end": "02:43:21", "text": "But the individual to whom I appeal is"}, {"start": "02:43:18", "end": "02:43:23", "text": "the person with a finess of emotion,"}, {"start": "02:43:21", "end": "02:43:25", "text": "with the finess of a search, who's"}, {"start": "02:43:23", "end": "02:43:28", "text": "capable of holding a question. That's"}, {"start": "02:43:25", "end": "02:43:31", "text": "the individual I love and wish to"}, {"start": "02:43:28", "end": "02:43:34", "text": "encourage. And that person can find him"}, {"start": "02:43:31", "end": "02:43:35", "text": "or herself. I hope uh within my work if"}, {"start": "02:43:34", "end": "02:43:37", "text": "it's worth anything."}, {"start": "02:43:35", "end": "02:43:38", "text": ">> It's worth quite a bit. Mitch Horowitz"}, {"start": "02:43:37", "end": "02:43:40", "text": "was here. Everybody, this has been a"}, {"start": "02:43:38", "end": "02:43:42", "text": "joy. Thank you for coming in."}, {"start": "02:43:40", "end": "02:43:45", "text": ">> Thank you, my man. Pleasure."}, {"start": "02:43:42", "end": "02:43:48", "text": ">> That was Mitch Horowitz."}, {"start": "02:43:45", "end": "02:43:50", "text": "I did my best. He's a smart guy. There's"}, {"start": "02:43:48", "end": "02:43:52", "text": "a lot of theories and stuff I don't"}, {"start": "02:43:50", "end": "02:43:57", "text": "really know that well. Before we"}, {"start": "02:43:52", "end": "02:44:01", "text": "started, I had my research out and uh"}, {"start": "02:43:57", "end": "02:44:03", "text": "you know, he's an occult guy,"}, {"start": "02:44:01", "end": "02:44:04", "text": "so you would figure that'd be easy to"}, {"start": "02:44:03", "end": "02:44:07", "text": "prep for. And then the more you learn"}, {"start": "02:44:04", "end": "02:44:10", "text": "about him, the more you realize he's"}, {"start": "02:44:07", "end": "02:44:12", "text": "just wicked smart, and he's a lot more"}, {"start": "02:44:10", "end": "02:44:15", "text": "than an occult guy. There's psychology,"}, {"start": "02:44:12", "end": "02:44:19", "text": "parasychology, all the history. Really"}, {"start": "02:44:15", "end": "02:44:20", "text": "hard to talk to a guy with that broad"}, {"start": "02:44:19", "end": "02:44:21", "text": "amount of knowledge. So, I joked with"}, {"start": "02:44:20", "end": "02:44:23", "text": "him. And I said, \"Why couldn't you just"}, {"start": "02:44:21", "end": "02:44:24", "text": "be a physicist? This would be so much"}, {"start": "02:44:23", "end": "02:44:28", "text": "easier cuz it's hard to keep up with"}, {"start": "02:44:24", "end": "02:44:31", "text": "him.\" But I tried. At the end, I asked"}, {"start": "02:44:28", "end": "02:44:33", "text": "him for hope because it was kind of a"}, {"start": "02:44:31", "end": "02:44:35", "text": "dark conversation in parts. When he says"}, {"start": "02:44:33", "end": "02:44:37", "text": "that he has no hope for humanity, he"}, {"start": "02:44:35", "end": "02:44:39", "text": "means it. And we hung out afterwards for"}, {"start": "02:44:37", "end": "02:44:40", "text": "a while. We have a lot in common. Both"}, {"start": "02:44:39", "end": "02:44:42", "text": "from New York City and moved out to the"}, {"start": "02:44:40", "end": "02:44:44", "text": "island. We hung out at the same punk"}, {"start": "02:44:42", "end": "02:44:46", "text": "rock bar as when we were kids. So, we"}, {"start": "02:44:44", "end": "02:44:48", "text": "bonded. You know, we sat out in front of"}, {"start": "02:44:46", "end": "02:44:49", "text": "the studio in our black shirts. you"}, {"start": "02:44:48", "end": "02:44:52", "text": "know, two middle-aged guys smoking"}, {"start": "02:44:49", "end": "02:44:54", "text": "cigarettes and it was perfect. So, I"}, {"start": "02:44:52", "end": "02:44:56", "text": "felt like I got to know the guy a little"}, {"start": "02:44:54", "end": "02:45:00", "text": "bit."}, {"start": "02:44:56", "end": "02:45:02", "text": "He's not as dark as that."}, {"start": "02:45:00", "end": "02:45:03", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "02:45:02", "end": "02:45:06", "text": "let's think about his hope statement for"}, {"start": "02:45:03", "end": "02:45:09", "text": "a second. All he gave me was three"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:12", "text": "words. The individual can. So, let me"}, {"start": "02:45:09", "end": "02:45:15", "text": "work back to that. His resume checks out"}, {"start": "02:45:12", "end": "02:45:17", "text": "in 10 minutes. That Reagan claim, that"}, {"start": "02:45:15", "end": "02:45:19", "text": "was crazy. Mitch says Ronald Reagan"}, {"start": "02:45:17", "end": "02:45:22", "text": "spent his career borrowing ideas and"}, {"start": "02:45:19", "end": "02:45:25", "text": "exact phrases from a cult scholar Manley"}, {"start": "02:45:22", "end": "02:45:27", "text": "P. Hall. No question about it, he did"}, {"start": "02:45:25", "end": "02:45:30", "text": "it. He even told the Count of St."}, {"start": "02:45:27", "end": "02:45:32", "text": "Germaine story, which I think Mitch kind"}, {"start": "02:45:30", "end": "02:45:33", "text": "of debunked, but nobody really knows. I"}, {"start": "02:45:32", "end": "02:45:34", "text": "think it might have been the Count of"}, {"start": "02:45:33", "end": "02:45:36", "text": "St. Germaine. The Gandhi story holds up"}, {"start": "02:45:34", "end": "02:45:39", "text": "to he was a lonely law student in"}, {"start": "02:45:36", "end": "02:45:41", "text": "London. He meets Madame Lovatsky, the"}, {"start": "02:45:39", "end": "02:45:43", "text": "most notorious occultist alive, and"}, {"start": "02:45:41", "end": "02:45:45", "text": "credits the Theosophists with sending"}, {"start": "02:45:43", "end": "02:45:48", "text": "him back to the Bagabagita. Now, that's"}, {"start": "02:45:45", "end": "02:45:50", "text": "in Gandhi's own autobiography."}, {"start": "02:45:48", "end": "02:45:52", "text": "I didn't believe it either. She's in"}, {"start": "02:45:50", "end": "02:45:54", "text": "there. And the precognition research,"}, {"start": "02:45:52", "end": "02:45:57", "text": "those studies are real. I talked about"}, {"start": "02:45:54", "end": "02:45:59", "text": "them before with um Eric Wargo. And he"}, {"start": "02:45:57", "end": "02:46:01", "text": "has more, if you go back and watch that"}, {"start": "02:45:59", "end": "02:46:04", "text": "episode, he's got more and more and more"}, {"start": "02:46:01", "end": "02:46:06", "text": "proof that somehow the future reaches"}, {"start": "02:46:04", "end": "02:46:10", "text": "back to us. And that story he told about"}, {"start": "02:46:06", "end": "02:46:13", "text": "the fighter like manifesting for 30 days"}, {"start": "02:46:10", "end": "02:46:14", "text": "in the future after the fight's over. I"}, {"start": "02:46:13", "end": "02:46:16", "text": "don't know. It It's such a compelling"}, {"start": "02:46:14", "end": "02:46:18", "text": "story. I'm I'm going to try it. I don't"}, {"start": "02:46:16", "end": "02:46:21", "text": "know what to manifest yet, but I'm going"}, {"start": "02:46:18", "end": "02:46:23", "text": "to try it. Well, skeptics reran all"}, {"start": "02:46:21", "end": "02:46:24", "text": "those experiments we talked about,"}, {"start": "02:46:23", "end": "02:46:28", "text": "Daryl, Bem, and some of those, and"}, {"start": "02:46:24", "end": "02:46:30", "text": "mostly came up empty. But that fight"}, {"start": "02:46:28", "end": "02:46:32", "text": "isn't over because some of them some of"}, {"start": "02:46:30", "end": "02:46:34", "text": "them reproduced the same results. So,"}, {"start": "02:46:32", "end": "02:46:37", "text": "the individual can and Mitch told me"}, {"start": "02:46:34", "end": "02:46:38", "text": "twice he doesn't love humanity. But I"}, {"start": "02:46:37", "end": "02:46:40", "text": "also watched him quote William James to"}, {"start": "02:46:38", "end": "02:46:43", "text": "anyone thinking about giving up. And"}, {"start": "02:46:40", "end": "02:46:46", "text": "then he renewed his wedding vows just"}, {"start": "02:46:43", "end": "02:46:47", "text": "yesterday with Elvis officiating. I"}, {"start": "02:46:46", "end": "02:46:50", "text": "mean, is that a guy who's really done"}, {"start": "02:46:47", "end": "02:46:53", "text": "with us? It's not the guy I smoked a"}, {"start": "02:46:50", "end": "02:46:55", "text": "cigarette with. Now, his rules in his"}, {"start": "02:46:53", "end": "02:46:57", "text": "new book,"}, {"start": "02:46:55", "end": "02:47:01", "text": "I believe every rule in that book. Um, I"}, {"start": "02:46:57", "end": "02:47:03", "text": "I wish he'd let me just post the rules"}, {"start": "02:47:01", "end": "02:47:04", "text": "so you can see those."}, {"start": "02:47:03", "end": "02:47:07", "text": "That kind of wouldn't be fair. I don't"}, {"start": "02:47:04", "end": "02:47:10", "text": "know how much the book is. It's worth"}, {"start": "02:47:07", "end": "02:47:12", "text": "it. The book is it was very surprising."}, {"start": "02:47:10", "end": "02:47:14", "text": "A lot of the occult books are just kind"}, {"start": "02:47:12", "end": "02:47:18", "text": "of a dense, heavy read. This felt more"}, {"start": "02:47:14", "end": "02:47:20", "text": "like a very grounded self-help book, but"}, {"start": "02:47:18", "end": "02:47:22", "text": "the rules were really great and there's"}, {"start": "02:47:20", "end": "02:47:25", "text": "super simple. Um, I mentioned a couple"}, {"start": "02:47:22", "end": "02:47:27", "text": "of on the on the show, but it's stuff"}, {"start": "02:47:25", "end": "02:47:29", "text": "like don't be an learn to"}, {"start": "02:47:27", "end": "02:47:32", "text": "fight, don't tolerate bullies, pay your"}, {"start": "02:47:29", "end": "02:47:35", "text": "bills on time, don't loan money, just"}, {"start": "02:47:32", "end": "02:47:37", "text": "give it away or say no. a lot of that"}, {"start": "02:47:35", "end": "02:47:39", "text": "stuff, like super simple basic rules. I"}, {"start": "02:47:37", "end": "02:47:42", "text": "believe every single one of them and I"}, {"start": "02:47:39", "end": "02:47:44", "text": "fail at a lot of them, but I'm still"}, {"start": "02:47:42", "end": "02:47:46", "text": "trying because if you follow those"}, {"start": "02:47:44", "end": "02:47:49", "text": "rules, you're a better person. But he"}, {"start": "02:47:46", "end": "02:47:51", "text": "said failing is the point. Esoterica is"}, {"start": "02:47:49", "end": "02:47:54", "text": "with a K. It's out now. Mitch's essays"}, {"start": "02:47:51", "end": "02:47:55", "text": "are free at mitchhoritz.substack.com."}, {"start": "02:47:54", "end": "02:47:58", "text": "And everything I mentioned is linked"}, {"start": "02:47:55", "end": "02:48:00", "text": "below. The Maro Institute Tech is my"}, {"start": "02:47:58", "end": "02:48:02", "text": "gateway process episode. You can check"}, {"start": "02:48:00", "end": "02:48:05", "text": "out the basement conversation with Tom"}, {"start": "02:48:02", "end": "02:48:09", "text": "Campbell who invented Hemisync. And"}, {"start": "02:48:05", "end": "02:48:10", "text": "we've got an episode on synchronicities."}, {"start": "02:48:09", "end": "02:48:13", "text": "Check out Eric Wargo. A lot of that was"}, {"start": "02:48:10", "end": "02:48:14", "text": "covered here as well. We're starting to"}, {"start": "02:48:13", "end": "02:48:18", "text": "build up quite a library of this weird"}, {"start": "02:48:14", "end": "02:48:20", "text": "cool stuff. That's why I did this. Until"}, {"start": "02:48:18", "end": "02:48:23", "text": "next time, be safe, be kind, and know"}, {"start": "02:48:20", "end": "02:48:27", "text": "that you are appreciated. I hear you. No"}, {"start": "02:48:23", "end": "02:48:27", "text": "cats in the studio."}, {"start": "02:48:27", "end": "02:48:30", "text": "Get it. Get it."}, {"start": "02:48:39", "end": "02:48:44", "text": "Oh"}, {"start": "02:48:42", "end": "02:48:48", "text": "yeah,"}, {"start": "02:48:44", "end": "02:48:53", "text": "I played Philippia in Area 51. A secret"}, {"start": "02:48:48", "end": "02:48:57", "text": "code inside the Bible said I would."}, {"start": "02:48:53", "end": "02:49:00", "text": "I love my UFOs and paran"}, {"start": "02:48:57", "end": "02:49:02", "text": "as well as music singing the like I"}, {"start": "02:49:00", "end": "02:49:05", "text": "should."}, {"start": "02:49:02", "end": "02:49:08", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"start": "02:49:05", "end": "02:49:11", "text": "becomes the truth my friends"}, {"start": "02:49:08", "end": "02:49:15", "text": "and it never ends."}, {"start": "02:49:11", "end": "02:49:15", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"start": "02:49:22", "end": "02:49:28", "text": "I fear the crab cat I got stuck inside"}, {"start": "02:49:24", "end": "02:49:31", "text": "Mel's home with MK outra being only"}, {"start": "02:49:28", "end": "02:49:31", "text": "twoear"}, {"start": "02:49:31", "end": "02:49:37", "text": "did Stanley Cubrick fake the moon"}, {"start": "02:49:33", "end": "02:49:40", "text": "landing alone on a film set of shadow"}, {"start": "02:49:37", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "people there"}, {"start": "02:49:40", "end": "02:49:47", "text": "the Roswell aliens just fought the"}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:51", "text": "smiling man I'm told and his name was"}, {"start": "02:49:47", "end": "02:49:54", "text": "cold and I can't leave I'm dancing with"}, {"start": "02:49:51", "end": "02:49:58", "text": "the fish"}, {"start": "02:49:54", "end": "02:50:02", "text": "on Thursday nights with J and"}, {"start": "02:49:58", "end": "02:50:02", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "02:50:02", "end": "02:50:08", "text": "All I ever wanted was to just hear the"}, {"start": "02:50:05", "end": "02:50:11", "text": "truth of the world"}, {"start": "02:50:08", "end": "02:50:11", "text": "through the night."}, {"start": "02:50:27", "end": "02:50:33", "text": "The math man sightings and the solar"}, {"start": "02:50:30", "end": "02:50:36", "text": "storm still come to a gather the secret"}, {"start": "02:50:33", "end": "02:50:36", "text": "city underground."}, {"start": "02:50:37", "end": "02:50:42", "text": "Mysterious number stations, planet"}, {"start": "02:50:39", "end": "02:50:46", "text": "circle too, project star gave and where"}, {"start": "02:50:42", "end": "02:50:50", "text": "the dark watchers found"}, {"start": "02:50:46", "end": "02:50:55", "text": "in a simulation. Don't you worry though"}, {"start": "02:50:50", "end": "02:51:00", "text": "the black night satellite over me. Oh, I"}, {"start": "02:50:55", "end": "02:51:04", "text": "can't believe I'm dancing with the fish"}, {"start": "02:51:00", "end": "02:51:08", "text": "on Thursday night when they you and me"}, {"start": "02:51:04", "end": "02:51:08", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "02:51:08", "end": "02:51:17", "text": "I am supposed to hear the troops"}, {"start": "02:51:13", "end": "02:51:17", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "02:51:18", "end": "02:51:26", "text": "On Thursday nights when they change you"}, {"start": "02:51:23", "end": "02:51:26", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "02:51:27", "end": "02:51:34", "text": "All I ever wanted was to just hear the"}, {"start": "02:51:30", "end": "02:51:34", "text": "truth. So we walk on repeat"}, {"start": "02:51:38", "end": "02:51:43", "text": "to dance"}, {"start": "02:51:41", "end": "02:51:46", "text": "love to dance"}, {"start": "02:51:43", "end": "02:51:51", "text": "to dance"}, {"start": "02:51:46", "end": "02:51:54", "text": "to dance. Girie loves to dance."}, {"start": "02:51:51", "end": "02:51:57", "text": "Gertie loves to dance on the dance floor"}, {"start": "02:51:54", "end": "02:52:01", "text": "because she is a camel and camels love"}, {"start": "02:51:57", "end": "02:52:04", "text": "to dance when the feeling is right on"}, {"start": "02:52:01", "end": "02:52:09", "text": "the way in time."}, {"start": "02:52:04", "end": "02:52:09", "text": "Good love dance. Good love."}]

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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "Today I'm talking with Diana Walsh"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Pasoka. She's a religious studies"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "professor who spent years in archives"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "most people never see, including the"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "Vaticans, reading sworn testimony about"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "saints who levitate in front of entire"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "towns. Then the government noticed her"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "research and she ended up blindfolded in"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "the New Mexico desert digging for debris"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "at an alleged UFO crash site."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> Blindfolded and driven out to the desert"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "with a shovel. Ah, sometimes I miss the"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "old Vegas."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> By the way, this is a woman who won't"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "set foot in a haunted house. The"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "blindfold was fine, apparently. Today,"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "we're covering the flying saints, the"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "recruitment, and why she believes a new"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "religion is forming around UFOs with"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "somebody already writing its Bible. Her"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "new book, The Others, just hit the New"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "York Times bestseller list."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> The Times List is red, human, controlled"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "by big publishing. Unless she's on it,"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "then then it's a very prestigious honor."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "Huh. Congratulations, Vanessa."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> And her leading candidate for the"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "Antichrist. I didn't see that one"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "coming."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> It's a cat, is it?"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> It's not a cat. Yeah, it's exactly what"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "a cat would want you to think."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": ">> Stick around after the episode. I'll pop"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "back in and untangle the conversation."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "Let's go down to the basement."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "Did Did you start your career in in"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "death? I know that"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "you teach at the Museum of Death and"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "Dying sometimes in Brooklyn."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": ">> Okay. So So what was it that drew you to"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "death? Death. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": ">> I know. Um Okay. So, I've been studying"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "religion my whole life and I'm in"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "religious studies. So, I just have to"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "explain what that is. So, because a lot"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "of people don't know, they think that if"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "you're studying religion, you're like a"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "minister or theologian. And I definitely"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "I went to um school with priests in"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "formation, people who were going to be"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "priests and nuns and so forth. So, I"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "have that background. Um but I'm I took"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "an academic track. So, I was interested"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "in religion from a perspective of I just"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "didn't think I was good enough, frankly,"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "to be a theologian. Like, in order to be"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "a theologian, you have to like kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "walk the walk, right? And I was like,"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "\"Oh, I'm not, you know, I'm probably not"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "that good, but I'm really interested in"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "religion.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> well, what's the difference between the"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "three theologian a theologian and the"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "clergy?"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> Yeah, they're the same. They're the"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "same."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> So, in order to be a clergy, you have to"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "have a theology degree. And so I had the"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "same background as a person who has a"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "theology degree, but I went extra and"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "got a PhD in a academic field and I'm"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "super happy I did. So I'm in this field"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "called religious studies which looks at"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "religion. I mean most of the world are"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "religious practitioners. It's really an"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "important thing to know about and uh and"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "so I study but not from a belief"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "perspective. So I'm not advocating for"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "any belief. I'm not advocating for"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "belief in Christianity. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "advocating for belief in Buddhism and I"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "don't advocate for people to believe in"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "UFOs. But you know that was the second"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "part of my career was studying UFO"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "belief. And so um how did I get into"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "death and things like that? Uh so it was"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "it wasn't really a choice. It just kind"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "of happened. 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What"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "do they believe or Jewish people? So I"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "started to look at that that invariably"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "crossed over into people having"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "near-death experiences and things like"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "that because a lot of people who have"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "extraordinary events also have brushes"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "with death or something like that. And"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "so that's how it happened. It was very"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "on accident kind of and one of my first"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "publications in the first publications"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "when I was a young assistant professor"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "was looking and by the way I also spend"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "a lot of time in archives and archives"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "are old libraries so archives so this is"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "for young people out there um believe it"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "or not there there is nondigitized"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "information"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "that is not on the internet information"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "that is you know not on your phone that"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "chats GP PT doesn't know about and this"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "is all contained in archives. So I spent"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "a lot of time like years and years in"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "archives, old archives, Vatican"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "archives, archives all over the place."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "And these, you know, we're talking about"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "like manuscripts and books and even"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "stones that have pic picto wait"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": ">> like like like petroglyphs."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Pictograms."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "Petroglyphs. Right. So um I've I've seen"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "Aztec petroglyphs."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": ">> so so you're so it's comparative"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "religion. It's everybody."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is. It's comparative"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "religion. And um so the first"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "publication that I wrote was about"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "near-death experiences of children um"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "from the 1800s. 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And so I thought this was really"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "interesting. So that's what really got"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "me into looking at death and why"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "actually I became uh I'm part of the"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "American Academy of Religion which is an"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "international group or mostly American"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "but international uh of people like me"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "who study uh religion and um I co-chared"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "the death uh session of that for like 10"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "years and now it's co-chared by my uh by"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "a former student who's now a professor."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "So, children death near-death"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "experiences is interesting because"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "they're not they don't have enough time"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "on the earth to be primed for what to"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "see."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": ">> And yet they're seeing the same things"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "that kind of everybody sees."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So, near-death experiences"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "are interesting. One of the first"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "recorded near-death experiences uh"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "happened, well, was recorded about 2,500"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "years ago. Um, and that's with uh Plato,"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "actually. So, in his book, The Republic,"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "he talks about a soldier who dies on the"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "field, you know, the uh I guess the"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "front, and uh everybody thinks he's"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "dead, and then he comes back to life,"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "and he says, \"Wow, look what I saw when"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "I was dead.\" And um it's really"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "interesting. And so that's so they're"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "they've been around for a long time, and"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "they look similar. The patterns are"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "similar. Are"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": ">> do are you seeing the same patterns in"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "other cultures and religions as well?"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "Yes, you do. You see the same patterns."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "Um there are inflections, cultural"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "inflections that are different. Um"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "but but for the most part, it looks uh"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "it looks pretty consistent. So what you"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "see when a when a I know it sounds"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "strange when a person dies and they come"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "back and talk about it and"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": ">> it's not strange in this room."}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": ">> Okay, good. Good. All right. So often"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "what happens is they have like what is"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "called a life review. And in ancient"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "Egypt there's the same thing. There's"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "this god Osiris who's looking at you"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "know if your soul is not he weighs your"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "soul and"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> against the feather."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. And if it's not if it's"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "heavy uh there's a demon that that you"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "know so there's always a sense of"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "judgment that you get um after a really"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "kind of okay experience of meeting a"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "guide right and the guide can be an like"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "an a luminous being or it could be if"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "you're Christian Jesus or you know so"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "there's always that uh cultural"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "inflection of that helps you frame what"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "you're what you see uh and then if the"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "person well the person has to come back"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "to explain that they went through this."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "But this was a whole genre of literature"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "for Catholics of the mid medieval era"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "and the you know European basically the"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "European continent right where these"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "people are having these experiences and"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "then monks are writing about it and"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "they're called otherworld journeys and"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "so I got into other world journeys and"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "that was my first book was about"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "purgatory which is a dogma of the"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "Catholic church that describes bribes"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "when souls are not good enough to go to"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "heaven, where do they go? It's this"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "place called purgatory. And so purgatory"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "was I spent a lot of time in archives to"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "write that book. So that was my first"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "book."}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": ">> Why did why did Catholicism kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "abandon the idea of purgatory?"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": ">> Well, okay. So they haven't technically"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "abandoned purgatory. So that's still a"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "dogma of the church. What happened was"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "that there was a big like almost like an"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "internal reformation for Catholics in"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "the 1960s between 1961 and 65 and this"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "is called Vatican 2. And what they did"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "was they determined that a lot of people"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "were falling away from the Catholic"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "Church. Why? Right? And they thought it"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "was this emphasis on well, you know, we"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "tell them when their when they die their"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "soul will go to hell or purgatory. It"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "looks pretty bad, right? And that's not"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "a good look, right? So they reformed how"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "they taught their priests and they"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "taught their priests in seminary to"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "downplay this this idea of purgatory."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "And so so in that sense, so when"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "churches in in you know prevatican 2"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "churches were built with a place where"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "people would pray for the souls in"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "purgatory, th that's not done now. that"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "devotion is still done by believing"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "Catholics, right? Uh many Catholics"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "don't know about it though. Like no, no,"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "young Catholics aren't I mean, if"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "they're traditionalist Catholics, by the"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "way, this this is a source of contention"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "every time I talk about it. Catholics"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "email me and they're very upset and they"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "say, \"No, we know about this, Diana."}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "What are you talking about?\" And I'm"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "like, \"Well, you know about it.\" But"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "like the the Catholics that come into my"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "class, those young people, they don't"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "know about purgatory. So it is a thing"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "that they downplayed that uh for those"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "Catholics. But there's a comeback right"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "now happening in Catholicism and those"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "ideas that were downplayed in Vatican 2"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "are now being embraced by young"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "Catholics."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": ">> That's funny. So whether it's Vatican 2"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "or 367 or Carthage or the Council of"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "Trent, it's all about marketing."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> Yes, it is. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. H how does"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "the um the idea of purgatory and"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "Catholicism track with with Dante's"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "work? By 3 p.m. I'm usually four coffees"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "deep. My heart's doing that weird"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "flutter thing. I'm jittery and somehow"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "I'm still tired. Then an hour later, I"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "crash. And of course, all that caffeine"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "means my sleep that night is garbage."}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "That was basically my routine for years."}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "Caffeine spike, crash, sleep terribly,"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "wake up tired, and start the whole thing"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "over again. 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After you purchase, they'll"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "ask you where you heard about them. Tell"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "them the basement."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:36", "text": ">> Okay, so Dante's describing So Dante"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "Aligaryi, right? So he's in the 1200s"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "writes the uh the Divine Comedy, which"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "is basically about his journey, his"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "soul, you know, he's in love with this"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "woman named Beatatrice. And so um and"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "he's had a pretty terrible life, right?"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "So he's been ostracized and you know, so"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "he's he's he's upset. Uh but he writes"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "this beautiful epic poem about his uh"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "journey that his soul takes through the"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "various levels of the afterlife. Uh so"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "there's the purgatorio,"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "uh there's heaven, and then there's"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "hell. And"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": ">> I think everyone knows the Inferno, but"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "they don't know Purgatorio or Paradizo."}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": ">> That's right. They don't. That's That's"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "right. And so what happens though during"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "this is he's he has a guide. So, you"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "know, it's a classic kind of near-death"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "journey, but like"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:30", "text": ">> upgraded, right?"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": ">> So, it's not a couple pages and it's"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "also beautiful, but he also describes in"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "depth the punishments of the people in"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "the various places like in hell, the"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "inferno. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": ">> And it looks brutal, right? And he in"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "some people that did him wrong in life,"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "you see them there in in the poem. So,"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "but it's really beautiful when he gets"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "to So, Virgil, by the way, is his first"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "guide and is a uh what he calls a a good"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "pagan, right? So, a pagan being a"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "non-Christian. And he's not allowed to"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "go into heaven. So, he has to stop at"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "some point. And then, of all people,"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "Beatatrice become becomes his guide. And"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "when she ascends, it's quite beautiful"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "actually. And um I I recommend it as"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "excellent reading."}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": ">> It is. And the political commentary is"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "is entertaining in it."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": ">> It is. It is. Yeah. So, but your"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "question was does he get it right?"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "Right. Yeah. So, I mean that's the thing"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "is we don't know, right? We don't know."}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "But I think that he, you know, he"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "follows the template of the medieval"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "otherworld journey. Um, and he has all"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "the elements there, right? So, and he,"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "you know, I don't know if he gets it"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "right, but I kind of there's a part of"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "me that that thinks it especially when"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "you get to how he describes the heavens,"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "which bring in like the imagery of the"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "stars in the imagery of space. And I"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "mean, that's pretty cool. And, you know,"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "he's writing like so long ago. How could"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "he know those things? like the imperium"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "and so forth. He's talking about a"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "center of the universe in space where"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "God, you know, attracts and uh pretty"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "amazing."}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": ">> It's almost like he read the book of"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "Enoch before he wrote that. Um so we"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "know that Plato influenced Catholicism."}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "Did was there influence did what about"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "Osiris and the duat? Is there influence"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "there as well?"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:36", "text": ">> Gosh, that's a good question. Um I can't"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "say uh authoritatively. I don't know. I"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "only one guy knows."}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:40", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. No, I do"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "not know that."}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:43", "text": ">> I'm asking more academically if you see"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "if you see that."}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": ">> because I see the connections between"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "when they go from polytheism into"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "Aenatan and monotheism and then it it"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "dubtales very nicely into the story of"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "Moses and Exodus. You there's a a"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "through line there that I think you can"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "follow through history. I was just"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "curious if early Catholics were aware of"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "of the duat and how all that worked."}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "Could you see something?"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": ">> I would I would assume so. I would"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "assume so. But I can't see my position"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "is if I don't know it specifically and"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "can give you the evidence for it, but I"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "can tell you off record like and I Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "Okay. Off record. I think so. Like I"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "think so. So, but"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "you know, let's just say that that's not"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "my academic self saying that uh because"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "I don't know authoritatively."}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:35", "text": ">> So, everything you're saying today, are"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "you speaking for UNCC? You're the"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "spokesperson out today? No."}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": ">> No. No. Okay. No. I'm I'm speaking as a"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "private individual."}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": ">> Fair enough."}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:48", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah. But I hear I I do uh agree"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "that you know when I went to seminary"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "and um you know did that that training"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "we didn't learn about Socrates and Plato"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "and the and it's their influence. So"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "although it's truly there"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:02", "text": ">> you didn't"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": ">> no and that's what I think is so amazing"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "was that in a sense I had one of the"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "best educations you can have in that"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "field but so many things I learned on my"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "own by reading you know theologians that"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "did have that training so that training"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "kind of got cut off and thank goodness"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "for I mean this is the good part of"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "technology you know you can learn a lot"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "right today just doing your own stuff,"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "right? What would you call it? Like"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "armchair PhD or something like that. And"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "you can definitely do that. Um, and also"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "another thing though, which I like about"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "the work I do is that I have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "friends who know a lot about different"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "things. So if I don't know the answers,"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "like Hebrew Bible information or"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "something like that, I could just go to"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "them and say, \"What does this say in the"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "Hebrew, right?\" And we can work it out."}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "Um, and that's that's part of the reason"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "I went to school, by the way, is so I"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "could have a extended network of people"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "who because you can't know everything,"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:05", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": ">> But you and your friends can know a lot."}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": ">> So when you read Plato, when you read"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "The Republic and he talked about um the"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "immortal spirit, we you were just like,"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "\"Wait, wait a minute.\""}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": ">> Well, you see, I was exposed to that as"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "an undergraduate and even as a high"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "school kid, right? Sure. And so I just"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "read it like they taught me, which was"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "sadly kind of boring, like the boring"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "version of Plato, which by the way is"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "really hard to do because it's so"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "fascinating. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": ">> And so I I read it"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": ">> and didn't take a lot away from it"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "actually. I just thought it was"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "political."}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": ">> Um and it wasn't Yeah. It wasn't until"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "after graduate school actually that I"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "started to go back and even after doing"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "UFO research I started to go back and"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "think what like he was he was talking"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "about the simulation theory you know he"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "was talking about the bad guys you know"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "he was talking about so many things that"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "are relevant today and uh wow he was"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "even talking about externalized memory"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:04", "text": ">> externalized memory where did he talk"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "about that"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:11", "text": ">> in Fadrris so in Fris Socrates is having"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "a conversation with Fedrris. And Fedrus"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "is like these he's a young guy from"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "Athens who's like into the newest"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "technology which is writing and he's all"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "about it and he's like this is going to"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "be cool. this is going to take over you"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "know kind of like AI guys today right so"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "that's faded and so Socrates is like h"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "let's talk about this and he goes what"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "are the repercussions of you losing your"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "memory to this technology that's what he"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "says I mean he doesn't use that language"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "but he's talking about memory he uses"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "that language and so he's talking about"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "the externalization of memory and how"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "it's going to change you it's going to"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "change how you access knowledge and"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "you're going to lose the capacity to do"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "that Somebody just asked me recently uh"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "if Socrates would in fact it was a"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "student. It was a graduate student and"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "she said, \"I'm asking everybody this"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "question I want to ask you.\" And I was"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "like, \"Okay.\" And she said, \"What would"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "Socrates think about AI today?\" And I"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "was like, \"Oh, he would like he would"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "just die, right? He he bring him back to"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "life, show him AI, he'd probably die.\""}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "And she was like, \"Oh, are you sure?\""}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "And she was kind of disappointed. And I"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "said, \"Yes.\" Because he warned about if"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "we, you know, think about it. Culture"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "was oral, you know, orally transmitted"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "knowledge. And many cultures today still"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "like indigenous cultures, no way."}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "They're not going to do the writing"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "thing. They're not going to externalize"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "their memory because they have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "knowledge. They don't want to mess that"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "up. Okay? So, that's going to be"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "something that probably a lot of your"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "viewers won't understand, but I'm going"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "to try to explain it. And that is that"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "you know in Fedrris um what's going on"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "is that Socrates the he the reason why"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "he knows so much is because he doesn't"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "know anything. And that's what he says."}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "He says I don't know anything. But then"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "how does he know things? He knows math."}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "He knows things that we just figured out"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "using technology today. These things"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "called the solids, the platonic solids."}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "They're real, right? But they're not in"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "our dimension. And we're using, you"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "know, professors at UC Berkeley are now"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "figuring out how to identify these"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "things and what they are and like the"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "tetrahedrin and so forth. Well, how did"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "he know that? Right? How did he know"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "that? He was using his brain and his"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "body in a different way and he said,"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "\"Writing is going to mess this up. We"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "don't really want to do this.\" And he"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "called it anamnesis. So, it's a form of"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "retrieval, like memory retrieval"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "knowledge. What's the problem with"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "writing? Because I because it would be"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "corrupted the oral tradition would"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "corrupt it as well. You would have your"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "own sort of your own leanings would leak"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "into that."}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:58", "text": ">> So this is so he did have the hope that"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "there was a form of writing which could"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "be helpful. Okay, there was a form of"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "technology which could be helpful. This"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "would only be though for people who were"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "already in contact with the ability to"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "retrieve knowledge uh in this this way"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "that he's talking about. Um and there"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "aren't very many people that could do"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "that because he had to train them,"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "right? They they had to be trained."}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:24", "text": ">> And um yeah, so you know, so my grad"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "student here, there you go. You know,"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "he's not going to be happy about AI. I"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "don't we see it with every technology"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "whether it's um video games or comic"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "books any kind of new way of"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "communicating is always you know what"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "are the repercussions of this"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:45", "text": ">> yeah that's absolutely true um"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "I do I do think though that he's right"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "that we can have it but we just have to"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "have it in a way that's helpful and I"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "always present to my students when I"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "give this talk to them um because you"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "know right now what I find is that young"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "people know what's happening. They're"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "not like they're also upset. They're"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "like, \"Oh, how could you have given us a"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "world like this, you know, and I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "uh, sorry,"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": ">> you know, how like what what do we do"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "now?\" Um, I I lost the train of thought"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "that I was going down."}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:13", "text": ">> That's okay. We'll pick up the tree at"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "some point."}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:15", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:17", "text": ">> That's the boomer generation. Gen X is"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "fixing it. We're fixing it."}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": ">> Um, we're I don't know if it's"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "compatible in ancient Egyptian, but"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "where what about reincarnation? How does"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "that work with Catholicism? Is it"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "compatible?"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:27", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": ">> it's not compatible."}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:32", "text": ">> No. Even though there are references in"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "you can see Hebrew Bible references and"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "so forth and even in the New Testament"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "there are things that are like what what"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "does that mean? You know, um but for for"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "uh no, it's not going to be compatible"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "though with Catholicism is is a an"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "interpretation of the Bible and uh you"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "know the extra biblical texts and so"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "forth that went into influencing the"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "early church. Um so it's not the only"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "Christian religion. Uh there are"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "Christian denominations in which"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "uh reincarnation is compatible but those"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "are different interpretations but for"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "Catholicism it's not."}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": ">> Well how do you feel personally in your"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "in comparative studies?"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:15", "text": ">> Okay. So that's yeah. So as an academic"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "looking at that"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": ">> uh you know there are a lot of things"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "that the denominations hold as tradition"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "and dogma that when you look at this is"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "why it's important to make this"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "distinction to students especially when"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "they come in and they have their"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "tradition they're Jewish or they're"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "Christian you know you want to you don't"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "want to upset their ideas but you want"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "to pre present the you know what we have"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "over here is religious studies we're"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "looking at it historically you know some"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "of the things that we get from the"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "Hebrew Bible is that it looks like you"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "know it's not monotheist istic in the"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "beginning, right? And that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "there's an idea of other gods and so"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "forth, but that doesn't have to"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "challenge their faith's interpretation."}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "They just have to go back and figure it"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "out like what does their faith say about"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "this, right? And I think that's why I"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "was interested in religious studies"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "because I thought all those challenges"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "you can't then for me it's not okay."}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "Like God gave me a brain, right? I'm"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "supposed to use it. So I'm not going to"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "say ah that that's not compatible. I'm"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "gonna put it over here and not even"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "think about it. But every once in a"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "while it creeps in, right? What does"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "that mean? And so yeah, so religious"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "studies allows you to think about those"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "things and you know deeply. And what I"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "find is that Catholics in the you know a"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "lot of Catholics think about those"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:27", "text": ">> Of course they do."}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": ">> I mean when you read some of the stories"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "about about children who come back or"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "children who are remembering past lives,"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "I think most of it is bunk, but some of"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "the stories are really compelling."}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "Have you ever read about like James"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "Lenner and some of those other stories?"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, I've read so many near-death"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "experience stories. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:50", "text": ">> And as a Catholic, how do you do you"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "dismiss it?"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:56", "text": ">> No. No. No. I believe that people have"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "near-death experiences. I have students"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "throughout"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:25:58", "text": ">> What about past life experiences,"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "though?"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. So, I'm not I don't know. Um"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "it seems amazingly compelling like you"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "say that you know when young children"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "you know talk about you know their lives"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "and you can corroborate that. Uh there's"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "that Virginia University of Virginia"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "archive right that is there. I forgot"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "the name of the archive so pardon me for"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "the folks who do do that work. There's a"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "bunch of people there who do that work."}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "You should have them on by the way. That"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "would be really interesting. Um, yeah,"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "and they could talk about their archive"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "and all the near-death children's"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "near-death experiences that they have in"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "that archive and and that work that"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "they've done."}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:42", "text": ">> So, there's room in your belief"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "structure to allow for that."}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:47", "text": ">> Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, the thing"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "about me is um"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "you know, if it if it's data that you"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "can't explain, it's data you can't"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "explain, right? So, I'm not going to"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "dismiss it, especially if people are"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "having these experiences. Of course,"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "especially and since they're so similar."}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "I mean, I don't consider myself very"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "religious, although I'm I'm moving more"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "that way. I think a lot of people are,"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "but I've said very often that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "after I die, if Jesus is there, the"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "first thing I'll tell him is, \"Thank"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "God.\""}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:12", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:15", "text": ">> So, I'm I'm open to it."}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:17", "text": ">> Yeah. For sure."}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": ">> I just like I like I like data."}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:19", "text": ">> Yeah. That's right. That's right. Me,"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "too."}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:22", "text": ">> But as you get as you get older, you"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "start to become a little more"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "open-minded about what comes next."}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:29", "text": ">> It does happen. Yeah. And how do you"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "feel about that? Do you you worry about"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "your mortality?"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:36", "text": ">> I don't worry about it, but I do feel"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "this way about it. I feel that first of"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "all, I'm I kind of feel like Socrates"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "that, you know, this is what he's well,"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "he sadly had to kill himself. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "going to do that. I'm not going to do"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "that. But, you know, Athens wanted him"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:48", "text": ">> take hemlock. Um,"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:50", "text": ">> and he chose it."}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:51", "text": ">> He did because he didn't have to."}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": ">> He didn't have to."}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So, but he this is what he"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "said to his friends who are upset with"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "him. Um, he said, 'Look,"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "I've led a life that I examined and I I"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "feel good about. So, if I die and"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "there's an afterlife, I'll be hanging"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "out with people I like, right? And he"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "goes, I'll have great conversations with"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "them. If I don't, if there's nothing,"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "then it'll be like the best sleep I've"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "ever had, right?"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:17", "text": ">> You're not going to care."}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:21", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. So, like wife read about"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "it. Um but I what I do feel is that I am"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "happy that I am alive so that I can do"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "things I think I should do like the"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "things I think I should do. I have kids."}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "I'm going to make sure that they're set"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "up all right. You know that's my I feel"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "that I need to do that. I have students."}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "I feel like I have an obligation to my"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "students to do the best I can for them"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "and to help them learn the things they"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "need to know and even to help the ones"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "that I'm in direct contact with do well,"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "you know, outside when they're done,"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "right? Kind of postgraduate. So, I have"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "these things that I feel like I'm I"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "should do. And um I'm glad I'm alive so"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "I could do that. And um you know maybe I"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "want to be able to at if I'm if I know"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "when I'm going to die, you know, if I'm"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "like really old, then I say, \"Okay, it's"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "going to happen any day now.\" And I feel"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "okay about that. Like Socrates, right?"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:14", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": ">> Yeah. But I I don't feel that way yet."}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "So I feel like I I I'm not seriously."}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "So, you know, being transparent. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:24", "text": ">> Um I would like to have more time to do"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "to do as much as I can to like"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:28", "text": ">> to get to the point. And I'm not in any"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "way that I like selfish like I want to"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "feel good about what I've done in my"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "life. I mean, that's not really that"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "selfish. Uh the things I want to do"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "aren't like, you know, make a a million"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "dollars, make a billion dollars or"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "whatever. 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WGOI is the registered"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "trademark of Nova Nordisk as to get"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "started and learn more including"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "important safety information with Goi"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "clinical study information and"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "restrictions. Visit hys.com."}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:06", "text": ">> Well, your new book is going to make a"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "million dollars. Congratulations, by the"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "way. New York Times bestseller list."}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Amazing. I can't believe that."}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:13", "text": ">> Hasn't been two weeks yet."}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:15", "text": ">> No, it hasn't."}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:17", "text": ">> Yeah. I feel really shocked."}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:18", "text": ">> Do your students know how like famous"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "you are?"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "Um, I don't think so. I mean, some of"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "them do, but some I'm not famous. Okay."}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "But they're But when they like, you"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "know, some of them are really happy"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "about what I do. Some of them send me"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "notes and say, \"Wow, cool. I saw you on"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "this podcast.\" They're going to say that"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "after this podcast. Um, so my kids love"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "this podcast. And, uh, yeah. So, that's"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "kind of cool. I do like that."}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:48", "text": ">> Yeah. And being well-known doesn't have"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "to be a bad thing because these are"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "ideas that more people should hear even"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "if you don't agree with them."}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I believe that. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:32:00", "text": ">> So, you're on an assignment translating"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "Latin and Hollywood calls and it's the"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "conjuring."}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:03", "text": ">> That's right. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:05", "text": ">> What happened there?"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:08", "text": ">> That was so that was great. I loved"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "that. Okay. So, this happened in 2011"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "and I'm doing all my normal work, right?"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "just kind of like doing the professor"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "stuff and um and I get a phone call and"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "we by the way Wilmington, North Carolina"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "h we have movies. It's called like uh"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "Hollywood East. So we have like big"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "movie studios and so forth. A lot of"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "things get filmed there. And so I get a"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "a phone call and uh one of the people"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "they they got a phone call and they"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "said, \"We need someone who does Latin.\""}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "And and I was like, \"Latin?\" I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "\"My Latin's horrible.\" I go, \"But uh"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "most likely it's going to be an exorcism"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "movie, a movie about exorcism because"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "why else are they going to want some"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "somebody helping with their Latin?\" So I"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "said, \"Well, I'll go.\" Well, oh no,"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "actually what I said was, \"We do have a"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "person who's who does Latin.\" And I"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "said,"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:32:59", "text": ">> \"You should talk to her first.\" She"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "didn't want anything to do with it. She"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "said, \"No, I'm not interested. I'm way"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "too busy.\" And I was like, \"Okay, I'll"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "do it.\" So I go out to the studio and"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "it's um"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:09", "text": ">> to LA."}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": ">> No, it's actually in Wilmington. Okay."}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "They're filming in Wilmington and they"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "let me in and I meet Chad Hayes and"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "Carrie Hayes and they're these the"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "screenwriters and they bring me back and"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "I see James Juan on set and the know the"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "reason I know about him is because my"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "husband really likes his movies and so"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "I'm like James Juan, you know, like I"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "don't see him, you know, kind of like"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "and then I see some of the famous people"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "that are on set and Vera Pharmaga and so"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "forth and I was like okay this is going"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "to be a cool movie and they tell me what"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "it's about and um I could help them"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "because they were trans they were they"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "were translating the Latin right which"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "is an exorcism prayer which is the"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "exorcism prayer"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:55", "text": ">> and but they were translating the the"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "instructions they weren't actually"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "translating yeah so I said at least I"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "know this much like my Latin's terrible"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "but at least I know that much and uh so"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "so they brought me on to help them and I"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "had a really fun time doing that and I"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "still know those guys and I still work"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "with"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "That's funny. Did Did you consult on any"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "other movies?"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:16", "text": ">> Yeah, I consulted on a bunch of movies"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:18", "text": ">> and Netflix."}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:20", "text": ">> Yeah, I did a a series that was"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "nominated for an Emmy. Um, and it's an"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "ambulance series, which uh is great, and"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "it's about Encounters, which is"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "strangely the name of my book. Um, that"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "was an accident, but my book comes out"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "and then their their documentary comes"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "out and it's about UFOs. And so, um,"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "that was fun to work on. Yeah. So, I've"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "been doing that. I'm doing that now. I"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "can't say what I'm doing."}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:45", "text": ">> Oh, you can't?"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:46", "text": ">> No. But, um, but when when it does"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "happen, I'll tell you about it."}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:49", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:50", "text": ">> But it's really exciting."}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:53", "text": ">> I bet it is. All right. More about"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "death. I want to know about cosmism and"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "and Federoff."}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:58", "text": ">> Fedorov, right? Okay."}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:34:58", "text": ">> That's that sound like a wild theory to"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "me."}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. So, um, you're talking"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "about, uh, a movement in Russia"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:08", "text": ">> that is called the Russian Cosmist"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "Movement."}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:15", "text": ">> And the Cosmist movement was a movement"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "started by Nikolai Federov. Uh, but also"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "uh, Constantine Chakosski was part of"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "it. So, he's the guy who did the rocket"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "technology for Russia, right? So Federov"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "was this guy who was a librarian and uh"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "you know really just totally into what"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "he was like his books and thinking about"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "like writing science fiction and"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "thinking about getting you know hum like"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "the next iteration of human beings. They"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "were going to be close to being like"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "angels basically. They were going to"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "take the place of fallen angels because"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "fallen angels this is his idea. These"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "are his ideas and he inspired"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "uh all of the uh the next generation of"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "rocket technologists actually. And so it"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "was a this belief system that"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "incorporated Christianity because part"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "of the the task so they had a task a"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "mission. Okay. And so he thought, you"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "know, that the next iteration of"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "humanity, what we needed to do was not"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "only become space fairing, but we also"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "needed to resurrect all the dead. That"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:26", "text": ">> all"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:28", "text": ">> Yeah. all the dead. That would be the"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "good thing to do. That would be if we"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "could do that, we must do that. And so"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "it became like a moral imperative."}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "And there are now there are Russian"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "billionaires who are set on 2040 being"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "the the time when we we'll be able to do"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "that when human beings kind of like um"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "the singularity right when human beings"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "will be immortal. So this was so Russian"}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "that's Russian cosmism and it happened"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "between 1880 to the early 20th century."}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:00", "text": ">> Well how did Federov think that that was"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "going to happen? What would the"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "technology be?"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:05", "text": ">> Well he didn't know actually. Okay."}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:06", "text": ">> Or else he would have done it."}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": ">> He would have done it."}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:10", "text": ">> Oh, 100%. He was bent on doing this."}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:13", "text": ">> How do you resurrect someone who's been"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "dead for a thousand years or 2,000?"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:19", "text": ">> I mean, how do think about it though,"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "AJ? Like, how do we make it into space,"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "you know? So those kinds of things that"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "we think are like back in the day they"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "thought the space travel was for nutty"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "people back in the day you know people"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "thought that they were crazy"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:35", "text": ">> and um but now we're doing it right even"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "airplanes like they're like even"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "electricity you know all of these things"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "now we can do these things so he thought"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "and by the way this is a this is a"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "really interesting idea that if we can"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "think it we can do it okay and I"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "realized that a lot of the history of"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "our country and Russia has these people"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "in them who are like thinking on the"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "very edge and and they don't doubt that"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "we are going to do this. Okay. And it's"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "kind of interesting because then looks"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "like it's happening. This is happening"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "that's happening. Right? Obviously"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "resurrecting the dead isn't happening."}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "But this is what this was their moral."}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "They believe that this was a moral thing"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "to do."}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:15", "text": ">> Well, if we start resurrecting the dead"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "and things start to track like first"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "Thessalonians"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:20", "text": ">> I know. Yeah. I don't know. Is that a"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "good thing?"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:24", "text": ">> Well, I mean, that's the thing. It's"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "like always, you know, who brought up"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "the idea of it's the Jurassic Park kind"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "of ethical dilemma, right? Right."}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:35", "text": ">> Should we do it? Well, we could do it,"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "but should we do it? Right."}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:39", "text": ">> Right. With technology. Uh was uh Mary"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "Shelley"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:43", "text": ">> Frankenstein. So, she wrote Frankenstein"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "in the 1800s. She was only 18 when she"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "did that, by the way. And that was her"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "idea was that is this really a good idea"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "because we could do it like you know"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "Frankenstein is the um scientist who"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "basically resurrects takes these bodies"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "puts it together uses a little bit of"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "like techno electricity and boom there's"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "this monster. Um and it's a monster."}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "It's not like you know I mean we could"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "call it a good monster or a complicated"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "monster right?"}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:15", "text": ">> Complicated."}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:17", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. complicated, but you know,"}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "she's basically putting the ethical"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "dilemma out there."}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:21", "text": ">> Yeah, she did."}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:27", "text": ">> Yeah. That I mean,"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "I wonder does is Federoff a contemporary"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "of Jules Vern at that time?"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:36", "text": ">> Is that okay? Jules Vern is going to be"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "uh is that 1880s? I"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:40", "text": ">> think it's a it's got to be close. I'm"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "just I'm just wondering because because"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "Jules Vern kind of made alli I mean he"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "was basically hard sci-fi. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:50", "text": ">> A lot of that stuff has happened."}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:53", "text": ">> I know. I know. I think so actually. So"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "the Russian version of you know because"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "there because there were a lot that the"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "people who were really intelligent were"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "hanging out with each other like the"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "Americans and the the Russians you know"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "and they had their communities uh that"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "they were mutually you know discussing"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "these kinds of things. Um maybe it's"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "hard to say. He I mean if Jules Vern was"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "writing at that point I would have to"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "assume that Fedorov knew his"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:21", "text": ">> Sure. I mean because everybody did."}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:22", "text": ">> Yeah. So of course he's going to and"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "plus he's into sci-fi."}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:26", "text": ">> Right. Right. That's right."}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": ">> see this is how this this is exactly how"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "academics think. They're like, they're"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "like, you know, even if they can't like"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "uh,"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:40", "text": ">> you know, give the resources of"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "evidence, they're like, \"This person had"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "to have been influenced by this, but we"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "can't prove it.\" Yeah. But they were,"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:47", "text": ">> but they must have been."}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:52", "text": ">> Um, yeah. Who isn't influenced by"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "Michael Kiteon or, you know, Christopher"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "Nolan? Everybody knows who they are and"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "their stories."}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:41:00", "text": ">> That's right. Um, it's interesting that"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "whether it's Russia or America, the"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "rocket scientists are always involved in"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "the esoteric and all these weird things."}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:08", "text": ">> Is this an accident?"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": ">> Okay. Is this an accident? So, that's a"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "good question. Uh, I was surprised when"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "I found out that this was the case. So,"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "when I moved from Catholic history into"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:19", "text": "looking at UFOs, I decided the first"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "thing I needed to do was look at the"}, {"start": "00:41:19", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "space the history of the space program."}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "So I started to read everything I could"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "and I also realized that I had to read"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "about the Russian space program too"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "because each of those were the viable"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "programs that got us actually off Earth,"}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "right? And what I found was that at the"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "basis of those were these scientists who"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "were into the esoteric, right? Um maybe"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "the Christian esoteric on the Russian"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "side and then the occult esoteric on our"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "side. Y"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:51", "text": ">> um and the thing is is that so I had"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "friends at this point who were in the"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "Space Force and were you know it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "called the Space Force then and were"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "like look if you need to go to the Air"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "Force uh archives just let me know and"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "I'm like yeah of course I do I do you"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "know it's in LA this and that and he's"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "like I I can get you in there and so"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "they were like yeah no problem you have"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "a friend who's an academic writing about"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "the history of space what you know at at"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "that point I had given a conference I"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "had given some information like a belief"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "system of UFOs and they could Google"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "that and find out. As soon as they"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "figured that out, they were like, \"Nope,"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "she can't come.\""}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:28", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:31", "text": ">> I'm not surprised."}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": ">> And there were a lot of things though"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "that So, I went over everything I could"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "that was digitized, right, about the"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "American that they released. And their"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "historians were really trans uh"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "transparent. And they were like, \"A lot"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "of this history has to be written by"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "future historians because it's still"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "classified and we can't write it.\" And I"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "was like, \"Wow, at least they're"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "honest.\""}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "Uh, take us to the Vatican archives. I"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "mean, I I still call them the secret"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "archives, but I I know the the apostolic"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "archives. You How many times did you go"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "there?"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:09", "text": ">> Um, so I went there for two weeks once"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:12", "text": ">> to the archives. Yeah, the archives and"}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "the the library, the archives, the"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "secret archives"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:19", "text": ">> and uh the observatory archives."}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:22", "text": ">> So, how did that all start?"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:25", "text": ">> Okay. Well, it was again"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "wonderful things often happen truly by"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "accident."}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:31", "text": ">> They do."}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:33", "text": ">> So, um I was working I'm working at my"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "university and I work with a sister"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "there. uh for Catholic students, we kind"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "of do things, but she wants to invite"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "the current director of the Vatican"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "observatory, which is an observatory"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "owned by the Vatican, um to come talk"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "about what they do there, the space"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "research and so forth for our students"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "and other people who want to come,"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "community members and so forth. So, she"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "said, um, can you pick up Brother Guy?"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "He's going to be at the airport. And,"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "you know, I'm always kind of the go-to"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "person to do all these things. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "like, sure, no problem."}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:02", "text": ">> You're the go what? You're you're the"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "airport run."}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, for sister,"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "you know, Rose, I'll do that, you know."}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "Sure. So, I'm like, \"Yeah.\" So, I'll go"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "I go pick him up and I take him to"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "Father Joe's. Father Joe has this really"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "beautiful house next to his church,"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "which is on the ocean. So, we take"}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "Brother Guy there. I take Brother Guy"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "there. And they they invite us to have"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "some sweet tea. We're in the South. So,"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "we're on the porch looking at the ocean,"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "just talking about random stuff. And it"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "occurs to me to ask him about, you know,"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "I'm starting this UFO research. And it"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "occurs to me to ask him where in the"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "Vatican because I haven't gone yet. Um I"}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "can find some of those books about, you"}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "know, space stuff. And so I just ask"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "him, \"Ah, I'm writing something about,"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "you know, belief in the rise of UFOs and"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:49", "text": "so forth.\" He knows I'm totally"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "academic. So he's like, \"Ah, all that"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:53", "text": "stuff that comes in the Vatican actually"}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "comes to my archive in the space of"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "observatory in Castle Gondalfo.\" He"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "goes, \"We have a place you can stay."}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "You're welcome to come for as long as"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "you need to.\" And I was like, I'll do"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:05", "text": ">> Yes, you'll do that, of course."}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": ">> So, I did that. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:08", "text": ">> So, that but that's the that's different"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "than the archives, right? The"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "observatory."}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:11", "text": ">> It is. But"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:14", "text": ">> how do you get downstairs?"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. So, the archive itself it"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "is. Okay. So, there's the Vatican"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "archive which in the secret archive"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:22", "text": ">> and so the secret just means that it's"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "the pope's"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:26", "text": ">> archive like he gets to decide like you"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "know all about it and so forth"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:31", "text": ">> and so um that was cool. So it's it is"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "there is a basement area right and there"}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "are various places to go um on site at"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "the Vatican and that was definitely an"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "interesting place to be. Well, take us"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:44", "text": "through the day. The first day, what"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "doors did you walk through? Who the guys"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "with guns? The security."}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:51", "text": ">> Okay. You know about that. Okay. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "So, that was really shocking. Um, so I"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "was really"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:54", "text": ">> That was shocking. You didn't think"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "there'd be security there?"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:58", "text": ">> I just didn't I just didn't realize how"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "scary they would look. So,"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:02", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. These aren't Swiss guards. No,"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "these are actual guards."}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. They're guards who Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "They're like uh, you know, they look"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "like army guys. like you know with"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "everything they have these big guns and"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "so forth and"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:15", "text": ">> the Swiss guards are badass too. They"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "just wear funny unifor."}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "Yes. Right. So um it just so happened I"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "went there with um a person that I knew"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "from the uh he was affiliated with our"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:30", "text": "government working in space force. Okay."}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "And he suggested early on that he come"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "with me because he would be able to"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "identify stuff that might be of"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "interest. And since I was doing that"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "research, I thought, \"Okay, that's"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "probably a good idea.\" So I said, \"I"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "didn't think you'd be able to get in.\""}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "All right. So I I can take you through"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "that first day."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:48", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:50", "text": ">> Okay. So we go on two separate flights."}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "Okay. Um"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "the reason is is because I have flight"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "anxiety and I really couldn't get on the"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "first flight."}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I just It's"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "really I do fly all over the place, but"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "I have flight anxiety. So going to Italy"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "was, you know, scary for me, but I did"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "it. And so, um, but I couldn't get on"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "the first flight. So he went out there"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "and I I told him how to like try to get"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "into the office."}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:19", "text": ">> Hang on. What do you do? You just go, \"F"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "it. I can't do it.\" You go home."}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:22", "text": ">> No, it it's like a struggle. I'm telling"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:25", "text": ">> Call a doctor, get some Xanax, get on"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:27", "text": ">> No, that doesn't even help."}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:29", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> I know. It's pretty bad. It's pretty"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "bad. I don't really like to fly either,"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "but I mean I'll go to if the Vatican"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "calls, I'm there."}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:37", "text": ">> Well, yeah. So, I did go."}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:38", "text": ">> So, the next day you made it."}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:39", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:39", "text": ">> Okay. Of course."}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:41", "text": ">> I knew I had to go."}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:44", "text": ">> You have to."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": ">> You know, it's it's not like Okay. It's"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "not so easy. All right, folks."}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:48", "text": ">> It's not."}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:52", "text": ">> It's not."}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:54", "text": ">> All right. So, so he gets there first"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "and he's like doesn't know what to do."}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "He can't get in because it's hard to get"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "in. You have to have a PhD in Catholic"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "studies or something like that and you"}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "have to have a need to know, right? You"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "have to have legitimate reason to go and"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "get in."}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:10", "text": ">> And for people who don't know, you can't"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "just go there and browse like the Dewey"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "decimal system. You need to you need to"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "say this is what I want to see."}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:16", "text": ">> Yes. Way beforehand because it might be"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "something that they have, you know,"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "there it there are miles and miles of uh"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:24", "text": ">> three miles. That's right. Of archival"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "material. So they need to know so they"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "could go find it. Okay. And um so so"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "there's all that and so there's the"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "library which sometimes people can get"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "into but this is not that this is not"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:39", "text": "the library. This is the archive. There"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "are by the way there are books written"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "about how to study at the archive. So"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "books written about it."}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:47", "text": ">> I can Yeah. I think you would need that."}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:49", "text": ">> Yeah. So I I read those books and I also"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "got in touch with the authors and I was"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "like I'm going here. things probably"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "have changed and um every all the"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "correspondents I had to use Google"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "Translate because it was all in Italian,"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "you know. So, all right. So, um anyway,"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "so the person is Tyler. That's a"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "pseudonym and I"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:07", "text": ">> Are we not naming him yet? Because we we"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "know who that is."}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:13", "text": ">> I know. But listen, I can't name him"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "because I in my field it's an ethical"}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "imperative. Fair enough. Okay."}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:17", "text": ">> I talked about on the show for the"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "people who are upset, they can go listen"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "to the show. We talk about him."}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:25", "text": ">> Okay. So, so Tyler's going and he's"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:29", "text": "there already and uh good things happen"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "to that guy and you know and so he meets"}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "uh an insider. He meets this American"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "priest there who's an insider takes a"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "liking to him and says I'll help you"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "whatever you need I'll help you. And so"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "he's like, well, he can't help him get"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "into the archive, right? So, um, but he"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "can help him with anything else. And but"}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "he does get in. And the reason he gets"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "in, so as I'm traveling on the plane,"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "I'm going, you know, and we're texting"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "back and forth and he goes, \"What? Can I"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "just show them my credentials?\" Because"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "he's got special credentials, right?"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:02", "text": ">> You weren't in airplane mode. You're"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "going to crash the plane. No, I was in"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "airplane mode, but you can you can still"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "certain certain plane flights allow you"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "to be like"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:09", "text": ">> I'm only teasing you."}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:12", "text": ">> No, no, no, no. I wouldn't do that. My"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "goodness. I'm on the plane. Okay. So, uh"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "yeah. So, it's Wi-Fi that allows you to"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "text. That is, you know, whatever it is."}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "So, I'm texting him and he says that um"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "he wants to show his credentials and I'm"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:25", "text": "thinking that's a bad idea because I it"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "would be like the Air Force thing."}, {"start": "00:50:25", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "They'll like kick us out, you know, if"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "they know anything about UFOs or"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "anything like that, you know. Um, and I"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "said I was there to do research, which I"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "was there to do about these saints that"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "are billocating saints and flying saints"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:41", "text": "and so forth, right? And look at their"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "records and so forth. All right. So, um,"}, {"start": "00:50:41", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "so he's trying to get in and finally he"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "can't get in. It's like two hours later"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "and so he he asks and I say, \"Just show"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "them whatever you need to show them and"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "see see if it works.\" Like last stitch"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:58", "text": "effort. And apparently uh it worked."}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "Okay. his face came up on their screen"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:03", "text": "and they were like, \"You're in.\" And I"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "was like, \"Wow,"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:06", "text": ">> that's incred.\" He knew that he would be"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "able to get in. He was just waiting for"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "me to give him the okay. So, um, so he"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "was in and then I finally got there,"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:18", "text": ">> met him and met the father who would"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "take us in. Now, I would not go anywhere"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "in the Vatican without this father"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "because of these guys, these um, you"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "know, guys with the guns and so forth."}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "Uh because if you're not and I I'm not"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "looking like I'm a part of the Vatican."}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "Mostly they're guys and they're all"}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "wearing black and you know they look a"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "certain way and I'm not looking like"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "that. And so I'm easily identified and"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "so there was a point when the father was"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "not near me and the the mean guys were"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "like get out of here you know they're"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "going to escort me out and the father"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "comes back and says no no she's with me"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "and they let me go. So every all after"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "that I'm like almost hanging on to you"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "know like following him around. But in"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "the archive, um, he didn't come with me."}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "So, I was able to go. I'm a researcher."}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "So, uh, they take you in, they there's a"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "rickety elevator that's kind of scary."}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "You're hoping that you don't get, you"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "know, stuck in it. And it takes you"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "down. And then there's a bunch of stairs"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "that you go down. And then there's a"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "beautiful, beautiful room and you have"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "to ask for what you came for, right? And"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "they get it and they bring it to you."}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "and you have to wear special gloves and"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "you sit down at your own table that kind"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "of looks like this and they'll they're"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "there to help you with anything you"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "need. Um, and then you sit there and"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "you're with the book. You're with the"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "book, the manuscript or whatever it is."}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "And probably there were about 10 people"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "in there and you're not t you shouldn't"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "talk. Okay. Tyler didn't abide by those"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "rules. Um,"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:47", "text": ">> he doesn't follow."}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:50", "text": ">> No. And so, um, he did a bunch of things"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "that I was like, \"Stop doing that, you"}, {"start": "00:52:50", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "know.\" Uh, but I'm glad he did actually"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "because there were a lot there was a lot"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "of information that we got from that."}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:53:01", "text": ">> Like what?"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:03", "text": ">> Okay. So, um, part of what we got was"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "information about the canonization"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "record. So, part of it was that we were"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "looking into especially Maria Agrada."}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "So, she this was a a saint in uh the"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "1500s. Oh gosh, I hope I got it right."}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:18", "text": ">> Maria of who?"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:21", "text": ">> Maria of Agrada. So she's a Spanish."}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "Yeah. So um you might have to fact check"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:25", "text": "um because I haven't talked about her in"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "a long time. Um maybe I'm sorry. It"}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "might be the 1600s."}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:29", "text": ">> It most likely is"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:32", "text": ">> Let us know in the comments."}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:34", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. So anyway, so she is the"}, {"start": "00:53:32", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "lady in blue and we do know about her in"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "the American Southwest because in fact"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "after I came after I wrote American"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "Cosmic in which this is described um"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "people from the uh tribe uh that had"}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:51", "text": "seen her right during that time period"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "you know come they reached out to me and"}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "they were like we want to know about"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "your research which I thought was really"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "interesting. Um, so she's this woman who"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "was in Spain while the missionaries were"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "here from Spanish missionaries, uh,"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:08", "text": "evangelizing indigenous people in the"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "American Southwest. Um, some of them"}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "didn't need to be evangelized because"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "they had already been evangelized. And"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "the missionaries are like, \"What? Who"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "was here?\" And they said, \"This lady.\""}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "And they were like, so they had actually"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "uh, not a photo obviously, but they had"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "like a drawing of a nun. and they showed"}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "them the drawing on this lady and they"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "were like, \"D no, younger but but she's"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "wearing the same thing.\" And so that was"}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:35", "text": "weird, right? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:36", "text": ">> And so uh you still see there's churches"}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "to her now here in the American"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "Southwest and so forth and all kinds of"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "things and communities that still uh"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "hold her in reverence. Um, but she"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "believed that she I've I've read her"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "books and her diaries and she believed"}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "that she was traveling over the earth"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "and she could see the spinning earth"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "between uh under her on the wings of"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "angels and she would come down into the"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "American Southwest and teach these"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "people about Jesus and so forth and then"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "go back."}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:07", "text": ">> Where did she travel from?"}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:10", "text": ">> She traveled from herself. She's a nun"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "in uh Spain."}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:13", "text": ">> Whoa. Yeah. So, she flies across the"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "planet."}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:17", "text": ">> Yeah. She flies across the planet and"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "her in her diaries she discusses"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:21", "text": "everything. She discusses the people"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "that she met, one of whom didn't have"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "like sight in one eye and this is"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "corroborated by uh this the Spanish"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "missionary whose name escapes me at the"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:35", "text": "moment um who describes the same guy. Um"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "anyway, so a lot of people won't believe"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "this story, but the story is so"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "fascinating and fascinated me. So, I was"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "there to look at her story. And"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "strangely, it was in the same area that"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "Tyler had taken me to when we went and"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "looked for UFO debris. And so, it didn't"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:57", "text": "occur to me until I was actually there"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "in the Vatican. And then I thought about"}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "it and I was like, she was there. She"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "was in that same area. And I thought it"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "was a strange coincidence. So, I I"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "remember looking at Tyler at the time"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "and I said, do you realize that she was?"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "and he just didn't want to talk about"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:15", "text": ">> He was like did he his face got like"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:16", "text": ">> his face got I'm not talking about that"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "and I was like okay"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:20", "text": ">> I bet that whole section has very"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "interesting stories in it"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:27", "text": ">> I think so. Yeah. So um so there is a"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "book that I I don't have uh by her which"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "by the way I met a person from the CIA"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:35", "text": "who who has a copy of that book which is"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:38", "text": "weird if you think about it. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "because h how do you get that? In 1979,"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "inflation was running above 13%. And the"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "Fed was pushing interest rates into"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "double digits, trying to bring it under"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "control. 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So I mean that"}, {"start": "00:58:07", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "that entails a lot of money in my"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "opinion."}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:12", "text": ">> It sounds like it."}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:15", "text": ">> Yeah. So that's a weird story."}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:17", "text": ">> In her diary, does she talk about who"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "approaches her to get on? Is there a"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "craft? Is this like a Merkoba or"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:23", "text": ">> Yeah, this is really interesting. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "it does sound like Merkoba. So merkabo"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "would be chariot um terminology for"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:30", "text": "those who don't know."}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:33", "text": ">> These listeners know Ezekiel very well."}, {"start": "00:58:30", "end": "00:58:35", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. Good. So in my opinion"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "that's what it looks like. You know she"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "describes the wings of angels carrying"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "her above the earth. So she's kind of"}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "like in the stratosphere or somewhere"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "near, you know, the edge of space and"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "the earth's atmosphere. She's flying"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "across"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "uh you know I guess the Atlantic."}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:59", "text": ">> Does she I mean is this Uriel? Is this"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "Elijah? Does she name who they who they"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "are?"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:01", "text": ">> No. The angel."}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:04", "text": ">> No. No."}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:05", "text": ">> Because the stories we see that story a"}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "lot."}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:09", "text": ">> You know it's really interesting. That's"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "right. So it it tracks with all the"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "stuff that I've read and that's why I"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "thought it was so interesting. And the"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "so you know I mean when historians and"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "when people generally in my field work"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "there are some great analyses of Maria"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "of Agradet out there. Um but they're"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "they're never going to be talking about"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "the paranormal or the the kind of extra"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "weird stuff. They they see it as kind of"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "like a a story to initiate conversions."}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "That's how they see it. kind of"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "perpetrated by the Catholic Church. I"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "don't really see it that way because"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "once you get into the actual documents,"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "they just don't it something just"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "doesn't make sense. Now, I that doesn't"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "mean that it couldn't be that because I"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "00:59:59", "text": "can't explain why, you know, this kind"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "of thing would happen, but I can say"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "that it tracks with the other world"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "journeys, you know, kind of thing that I"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "study."}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:10", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "you were there to see the flying s. Was"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "that Certino?"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:14", "text": ">> Yeah. Joseph of Copertino."}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:19", "text": ">> What's his story?"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:21", "text": ">> Okay. So, all right. So, Joseph is a"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "same at the same time as kind of they"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "they're around the same time period in"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "the 1600s."}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:30", "text": ">> I don't I I think that's important."}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:32", "text": ">> It is important. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:33", "text": ">> You know, it's almost like the angels"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:35", "text": "are on mission."}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:37", "text": ">> Yeah, it does seem like that."}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:38", "text": ">> And taking people around like, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "while we're here, let's go check. Let's"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "see what Joseph."}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:43", "text": ">> Yeah, it's really interesting. So, you"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "know, part"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:45", "text": ">> the stories cluster, don't they?"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:50", "text": ">> Time historically."}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:53", "text": ">> Um, yeah. So, there's a great book out"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:57", "text": "there called They Flew, uh, which is by"}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:57", "text": "Carlos Ay, who's an academic at Yale,"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:02", "text": ">> that's a good archive."}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:04", "text": ">> Yeah. So, so he his book talks about the"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "worldview of that time period of"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "Joseph's time period. Uh, but he didn't"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:12", "text": "have access to Joseph's trial record,"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:14", "text": "which I actually strangely have. We got"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "that translated because I don't"}, {"start": "01:01:14", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "translate 17th century Latin and"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:23", "text": "Italian, which is what this big archive"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "is made from, is uh, written in. And the"}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "first thing you notice, uh, first of"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "all, it's huge. It's like um if you were"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "to print it out, it'd probably be like"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "the Vatican sent me the printed out one,"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "by the way. And it was like I don't"}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "know, four feet. Like just"}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:40", "text": ">> what?"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. I I have it."}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "And I also have the digitized version."}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:47", "text": ">> Wait, you have the original one?"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:48", "text": ">> No, no, not the original one. No, they"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "digitized it."}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:53", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:55", "text": ">> And gave it to me um to translate to get"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "it translated. And so I had to get a"}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "team to do that because I couldn't do"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "it. Um, and it was a team because not"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "one person could do that."}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:07", "text": ">> So it's it's an incredible document"}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:09", "text": "because it talks about not just his"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:11", "text": "first of all the document itself had"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "this is during the time period of the"}, {"start": "01:02:11", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "Spanish Inquisition. Yes."}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:18", "text": ">> And if you said you saw someone"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "levitate, you were under suspicion. Now"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "so all these people though said, \"Oh no,"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "he levitate. I saw.\" and you know all"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "whole towns. And so what you see is you"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "see maybe thousands of signatures the on"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:35", "text": "this document the first like just kind"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "of corroborating that he did do this and"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:39", "text": "all these people saw it and not just"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "their signatures but who they were"}, {"start": "01:02:39", "end": "01:02:41", "text": ">> that's really sticking your neck out to"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "sign that."}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. It absolutely is. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:47", "text": ">> So he was levitating. What's his what's"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "his story? Why did he levitate?"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:52", "text": ">> Okay. So Jo Joseph is a interesting"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "person because"}, {"start": "01:02:52", "end": "01:02:58", "text": "he's described as a person who's not"}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:03:01", "text": "particularly intelligent. Okay. So he's"}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "um these are the descriptions. He wanted"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:06", "text": "to be a priest but he couldn't hack it"}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "because it was hard but he became a"}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "priest. And the how he did that was by"}, {"start": "01:03:08", "end": "01:03:15", "text": "pure uh just determination of wanting to"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "do it. And so after a while, people the"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "the hier hierarchy were like he seems to"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "have a vocation to do this. Let's just"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:26", "text": "let him, you know, let's let him in. The"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "problem with him though was that he"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:30", "text": "could discern things. When I say discern"}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "things, this is like the Catholic"}, {"start": "01:03:30", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "version of I can read your mind, right?"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "He can discern your soul. And he"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "seemingly could. So if you read through"}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "the document, there are so many places"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "where a person will say, I was on my way"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "to church and I was thinking about this"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:52", "text": "and when I got there, Father Joseph said"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "this to me, Padre Joseph said this to me"}, {"start": "01:03:52", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "and that was what was in my mind and I"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "don't know how he could have known that."}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:04:00", "text": ">> They they burned people for that."}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:04:02", "text": ">> Yeah, that's right. So a lot of things"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "happened. By the way, Teresa of Avila"}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "has some um she's another doctor of the"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:10", "text": "church who's a sister who or a nun, I'm"}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "sorry. And she also had levitation"}, {"start": "01:04:10", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "experiences."}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:14", "text": ">> Didn't they censor her story? I know her"}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "story."}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:18", "text": ">> Um there were certain parts of it that"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "they censored. Yeah. But I mean she had"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "people who were uh her editors. Let's"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "call them editors, not redactors, right?"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "Editors. So they edited certain things."}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:28", "text": ">> Why did what did Joseph say? Why did he"}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:33", "text": "levitate?"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:35", "text": ">> Okay. So he would levitate when when he"}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "certain things would in initiate his"}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:39", "text": "levitation. They would always be"}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:41", "text": "ecstatic. He he would go into ecstatic"}, {"start": "01:04:39", "end": "01:04:44", "text": "transes. And so those kinds of things"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:45", "text": "would be like Mary, the mother of God."}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:49", "text": ">> And so he would just if something"}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:52", "text": "initiated this, he went to church and"}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "they were singing a certain um hymn to"}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "her, he would go up into the church and"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "people would try to hold him down. that"}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:03", "text": "he would be that he would embarrass the"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "the parish priest, you know. So, he the"}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "thing is that most of these people did"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "not want to levitate. Even Teresa did"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:10", "text": "not want to levitate. Of"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:12", "text": ">> course not because it was like weird,"}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "right? You're hanging out and all of a"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:15", "text": "sudden you're like boom, you know, going"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "up and doing these things and people"}, {"start": "01:05:15", "end": "01:05:18", "text": "would try to hold them down. The strange"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "thing is that"}, {"start": "01:05:18", "end": "01:05:22", "text": ">> now this is what I find fascinating is"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:24", "text": "that because once you read enough of"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "these accounts, you can actually see"}, {"start": "01:05:24", "end": "01:05:28", "text": "recurring patterns that are weird. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:31", "text": ">> And one of these is this idea of a"}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:34", "text": "private gravity. That's Arthur C."}, {"start": "01:05:31", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "Clark's term, by the way. This this idea"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "that, and if you know who pointed it out"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "to me, this man named Michael Murphy"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "who's a head of this institute called"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "the Esin Institute. He was very"}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:45", "text": "interested in this information because"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "he noticed that people could do these"}, {"start": "01:05:45", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "extraordinary things in sports. He was"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "like, \"How could they do that? That's"}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:52", "text": "superhuman.\" He goes, \"Diana, you need"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "to figure this out by looking at the"}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "saints.\" And so when a person would"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "touch Joseph, they would fly up with"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:01", "text": "him. Um the"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:03", "text": ">> not hanging on, they would just"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:04", "text": ">> they would just fly up with him"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:05", "text": ">> because they're in his"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:09", "text": ">> Yeah. They were some Yeah. They were in"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:12", "text": "a microgravitational universe of sorts,"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "which is weird. But same thing with"}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:16", "text": "Teresa. People would try to hold her"}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "down, but they would go up with her."}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:22", "text": ">> Why do you think whoever they is or he"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "is wanted them to levitate?"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "Okay. So, uh the case that I studied"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "that's the most recent one where we"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:32", "text": "actually have video and so forth of this"}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "would be I write about it actually in"}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "the others called uh it's a it's a"}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "Marian apparition site in a place in"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:43", "text": "Spain uh an autonomous region in Spain"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "called Gabendal. It's San Sebastian"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "Gabendal and it's between 1961 I think"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "and 1964. And these four girls also have"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:55", "text": "these like levitation"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "experiences where they also have this"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:07:00", "text": "kind of same gravitational"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "um I don't know what you call it space"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "around them. Um"}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "okay. So you ask about the intelligence"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "behind it. That's what you're asking."}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:11", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:11", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:14", "text": ">> I couldn't I don't know."}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:17", "text": ">> Speculate."}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:20", "text": ">> Okay. Speculate. Okay. So what I can"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "ascertain is that these are happening"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "within this is my field. So it could"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:26", "text": "happen in Buddhism and I just don't know"}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "about it. It could happen in Hinduism I"}, {"start": "01:07:26", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "just don't know about."}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:29", "text": ">> There are stories of Buddhist"}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:31", "text": "levitating."}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:33", "text": ">> Yeah. So those I don't know about but I"}, {"start": "01:07:31", "end": "01:07:37", "text": "can speak about what the intelligence"}, {"start": "01:07:33", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "behind the Catholic cases wants and what"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "they ask for which is really interesting"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "to me. So they're asking for very"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:49", "text": "ordinary things that people don't do. Uh"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "fasting once a week. Fasting happens to"}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "be super good for you. Okay? They want"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "you to fast. Okay? Why? They also want"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:07:59", "text": "you to lead a good life. Like not be"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "mean, right? Basically do the ten"}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "commandments treat and the other"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "commandment treat others like you want"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:07", "text": "to be treated. Basic stuff. Uh pray."}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "Okay. Another thing that you see in"}, {"start": "01:08:07", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "every traditional religion, this idea of"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:15", "text": "praying. why what's up up with the same"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "praying um so that's what I started to"}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "focus on was that what is it about these"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "practices that changes a community"}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:26", "text": "changes a human being and it does change"}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:27", "text": "human beings actually so um there's so"}, {"start": "01:08:26", "end": "01:08:29", "text": "much now on the internet about"}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:31", "text": "intermittent fasting and you know what"}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "well that's what this Virgin Mary is"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "asking people to do intermittent fast"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:37", "text": "for once a week right"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:39", "text": ">> well I mean if you fast long enough and"}, {"start": "01:08:37", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "you're deep in prayer or meditation then"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "that kind of opens up certain channels"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "in your brain to experience different"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "things."}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:47", "text": ">> That's right. That's that's what's going"}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:49", "text": "on. So that's what So she asked the"}, {"start": "01:08:47", "end": "01:08:52", "text": "whole community in the 1960s to do this"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "and they did. They were a a community"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "that had no technology. So they had been"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "living in like a medieval lifestyle up"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:01", "text": "until the 60s. Okay? So they had they"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:03", "text": "were in the mountains. They hadn't been"}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:06", "text": "touched by television and that kind of"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:08", "text": "thing. They were very Catholic. So they"}, {"start": "01:09:06", "end": "01:09:10", "text": "were doing, you know, rosaries every day"}, {"start": "01:09:08", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "and so forth. So when this happened to"}, {"start": "01:09:10", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "the girls of their community, they"}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "believed and it was when these girls had"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "these apparitions, all the people would"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "come out. So there were like 300 people."}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:22", "text": "They would all come out and this would"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "went on for years. This"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:27", "text": ">> for years. Years. Yeah. Years."}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:30", "text": ">> It wasn't covered by the media."}, {"start": "01:09:27", "end": "01:09:33", "text": ">> It was it's very covered. So uh in"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "Catholic cultures, uh a lot of Catholics"}, {"start": "01:09:33", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "know about Garand Doll and a lot of"}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "Catholics believe in it. People do"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "pilgrimages there. the church has not"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "approved it, you know, because it takes"}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:47", "text": "a long time for good reason for the"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:50", "text": "church to approve things like this. Um,"}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:52", "text": "but but it's it's not against it just"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:55", "text": "says be discerning if you go there, if"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:57", "text": "you do a pilgrimage there."}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:10:00", "text": ">> When at what point did you realize"}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "reading all these accounts that it"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "sounds a lot like a close encounter?"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:12", "text": ">> Yeah, this was shocking. So I'd spent my"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "uh formative years as you know a"}, {"start": "01:10:12", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "professor and a grad student and so"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:18", "text": "forth studying these right and being"}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "really immersed in studying these kinds"}, {"start": "01:10:18", "end": "01:10:23", "text": "of events and contact events and so"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "forth and you know most of that work was"}, {"start": "01:10:23", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "done in archives and I wrote my book"}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "published it it did well um and I got"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "tenure"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "and so I had being in archives"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "What I noticed was that there were"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "instances where people back in the day"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:44", "text": "like 500 years ago, you know, Catholics"}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "in France or something, you know, um"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:49", "text": "would see aerial phenomena and they"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "would be shocked just like people are"}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:52", "text": "shocked when they see something and they"}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:53", "text": "rule out drone and airplane and that"}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:10:55", "text": "kind of thing and they're like, \"What's"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:58", "text": "that?\" And so they had the same"}, {"start": "01:10:55", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "experience and then they would interpret"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:01", "text": "it. They would say, \"Oh, it must be a"}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:02", "text": "soul from purgatory. Maybe we should"}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:05", "text": "pray that soul back into purgatory.\""}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "Things like that. So, I took note of all"}, {"start": "01:11:05", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "those things, not knowing what they"}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:10", "text": "were, thinking they were strange. And I"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:12", "text": "thought, hm, maybe someday I'll study"}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:15", "text": "those, but you know, I had this book to"}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "write. And afterwards, after I finished"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "with my book, I was going to be on to"}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:21", "text": "writing about this this really cool"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "priest in the Carolinas named John"}, {"start": "01:11:21", "end": "01:11:25", "text": "England in the 1800s. I was going to"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:28", "text": "write about him. And but I never did,"}, {"start": "01:11:25", "end": "01:11:31", "text": "and this is why. So I showed that list"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:33", "text": "to a friend of mine and you know just"}, {"start": "01:11:31", "end": "01:11:35", "text": "randomly we were having coffee and I"}, {"start": "01:11:33", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "said you want to see this list I have"}, {"start": "01:11:35", "end": "01:11:38", "text": "and I showed it to him and I said what"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "do you make of all that stuff and he"}, {"start": "01:11:38", "end": "01:11:43", "text": "said this is like this looks like"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:46", "text": "Spielberg films these are UFO events and"}, {"start": "01:11:43", "end": "01:11:49", "text": "I was like I thought it was crazy you"}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:50", "text": "know I was like get out of here. So that"}, {"start": "01:11:49", "end": "01:11:54", "text": "week though this is how this stuff"}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "works. That week there was a a a muon"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "like a mutual UFO network meeting uh of"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:04", "text": "experiencers in my town or close to my"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "town. So I I went to that and I saw"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "people talking about their experiences"}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:10", "text": "and I thought okay yep these definitely"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "sound like that"}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:13", "text": ">> they do."}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:16", "text": ">> And that's when that was my first shock"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "but I still I didn't believe in UFOs."}, {"start": "01:12:16", "end": "01:12:20", "text": "Okay. So that was my first shock though."}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:22", "text": "So, did you go to Muon just with your"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "arms folded like look these cooks?"}, {"start": "01:12:22", "end": "01:12:27", "text": ">> No. Okay. No, I went to understand like"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:29", "text": "what was going on"}, {"start": "01:12:27", "end": "01:12:30", "text": ">> because something happens to some of"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:31", "text": "these, not all of them, but some of"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "them."}, {"start": "01:12:31", "end": "01:12:35", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't going to discount"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "it, but I wasn't going to be a believer."}, {"start": "01:12:35", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "You know, it took takes a lot of"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "evidence, right, to make a person a"}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:42", "text": "believer in this. So, so that so that"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:44", "text": "was shocking though when I when I saw"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "the continuity"}, {"start": "01:12:44", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "because the historical continuity was"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:52", "text": "what shocked me and then I was I I was"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "talking about it at American Academy of"}, {"start": "01:12:52", "end": "01:12:55", "text": "Religion conferences, right? Of course"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "they all know about that. Like they're"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:12:59", "text": "like, \"Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:01", "text": "project, Diana. You should do that.\""}, {"start": "01:12:59", "end": "01:13:03", "text": ">> Oh, they didn't try to dissuade you."}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:05", "text": ">> No, no. American No. People who study"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "religion, they're they think it's cool."}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:08", "text": "Okay. They're used to that. Like, think"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:10", "text": "of what we study. we study angel things"}, {"start": "01:13:08", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "and you know things that like aren't"}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:16", "text": "supposed to happen. So they thought that"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "it was a good idea. Um and it within"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "religious studies it's it's been done"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "many times, right? Uh what what made it"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:26", "text": "different though was that I started to"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:29", "text": "get uh correspondents and visits from"}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:31", "text": "people who were from aerospace companies"}, {"start": "01:13:29", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "and the government and they were"}, {"start": "01:13:31", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "interested in my research and they were"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "like we want to see the data that you"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "have and I thought why why do you want"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:41", "text": "to see the data that I have and so I"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "showed them you know and that's when I"}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:45", "text": "realized that our government was"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:47", "text": "actually studying this as believers not"}, {"start": "01:13:45", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "as what my position was. Let's take a"}, {"start": "01:13:47", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "break there. We'll come back. We'll talk"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "about what the government wanted you"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:54", "text": "for."}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:57", "text": ">> All right. So, before we we get into"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "your your recruitment,"}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:03", "text": ">> tell me the story about the bittersweet."}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:05", "text": ">> The bittersweet. Yeah. Where my dad had"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "Yes. Okay. Wow. Wow. Gosh, you've got"}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:10", "text": "like some awesome questions here out of"}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:13", "text": "the blue, right? That I would never have"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:16", "text": "anticipated. Okay. So, my dad was in the"}, {"start": "01:14:13", "end": "01:14:19", "text": "Coast Guard in the 1950s. So he was uh"}, {"start": "01:14:16", "end": "01:14:24", "text": "you know high school grad uh 18 enlisted"}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:26", "text": "in the uh Coast Guard and so he became"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "the sonar person like he learned how to"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:32", "text": "do sonar and he was uh we just more"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "found out about this by the way because"}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:41", "text": "of Admiral Tim Galidet who uh is an"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "admiral in right the Navy and so he's"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:46", "text": "doing this really interesting work where"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "he's going back through the logs of"}, {"start": "01:14:46", "end": "01:14:50", "text": "people in the Navy like and people in"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:54", "text": "the Coast Guard like my dad and he's"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "basically identifying UFOs in that, you"}, {"start": "01:14:54", "end": "01:14:59", "text": "know, or usos, right? So, uh, you know,"}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "UFOs at sea."}, {"start": "01:14:59", "end": "01:15:05", "text": ">> So, this is when I'm a kid. So, I'm a"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:07", "text": "kid and I'm really young. Like, I first"}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:10", "text": "hear about it probably when I'm like"}, {"start": "01:15:07", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "three or four. And my dad is is a an"}, {"start": "01:15:10", "end": "01:15:14", "text": "attorney. So, first before that though,"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:16", "text": "he was I know it sounds weird. He went"}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "to medical school. So, he's this"}, {"start": "01:15:16", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "educated guy who doesn't"}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:20", "text": ">> I have friends like that, medical school"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:22", "text": "and law school."}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:25", "text": ">> Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. So, I guess he"}, {"start": "01:15:22", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "just during medical school he he didn't"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "really want to do that, right? So, it"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "seemed kind of depressing to him. So, he"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:33", "text": "became a lawyer and he's a guy who"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "doesn't speak very much. He's like a one"}, {"start": "01:15:33", "end": "01:15:39", "text": "of those guys who just doesn't talk that"}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "much, right? And um but when he does say"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:42", "text": "something, you pay attention to it"}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:44", "text": "because it's a rare time when dad talks."}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:47", "text": ">> So I remember growing up hearing this"}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "story probably about three times. And my"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:52", "text": "dad says that he was on the ship he was"}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "on. I just learned that he was on two"}, {"start": "01:15:52", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "different ships. So the bittersweet is"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "one of the ships that he was on. I guess"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "it's like a cutter."}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:00", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:02", "text": ">> And the other one was also a cutter, but"}, {"start": "01:16:00", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "I don't remember the the name of it. So"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "he's on probably the bittersweet, but"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "I'm not sure. and he's in the waters"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "near like Alaska and they're looking for"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "probably Russian submarines. Sure. Okay."}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "So, he's they're doing that work."}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:17", "text": ">> This is the 50s. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:19", "text": ">> 57 probably around 57."}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:22", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:25", "text": "out of nowhere he sees on radar"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "something giant in the bot at the bottom"}, {"start": "01:16:25", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "of the ocean coming toward the ship."}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:30", "text": ">> How big?"}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:33", "text": ">> Big like a football field or something"}, {"start": "01:16:30", "end": "01:16:36", "text": "like giant, right? And so he freaks out,"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:39", "text": "right? And as it comes to the ship, he"}, {"start": "01:16:36", "end": "01:16:42", "text": "said that a lot of the ships uh I guess"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "it was electricity. I'm not sure, but a"}, {"start": "01:16:42", "end": "01:16:47", "text": "lot of the ship's functions stopped"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:49", "text": "working. They just stopped and the ship"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:52", "text": "couldn't they it stopped too. So they"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:54", "text": "had uh they I guess they put like an"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:58", "text": "anchor down or something and whatever it"}, {"start": "01:16:54", "end": "01:17:01", "text": "was made the ship stop and they were"}, {"start": "01:16:58", "end": "01:17:02", "text": "stopped for four hours and they were"}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "horrified like they didn't know if they"}, {"start": "01:17:02", "end": "01:17:05", "text": "were going to continue on. They thought"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "it was a Russian submarine"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:07", "text": ">> but the biggest one they'd ever heard"}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:08", "text": "of."}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:10", "text": ">> Yeah. They couldn't really imagine what"}, {"start": "01:17:08", "end": "01:17:13", "text": "it was so they just assumed it was a"}, {"start": "01:17:10", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "Russian some kind of Russian ship. Some"}, {"start": "01:17:13", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "you know submersive ship. Um and then it"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:22", "text": "just left. it just went o away and all"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "functions came back and then they were"}, {"start": "01:17:22", "end": "01:17:28", "text": "able to uh to resume. Now he never said"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:31", "text": "anything like it was a UFO. He never"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:33", "text": "said anything that it was a USO, you"}, {"start": "01:17:31", "end": "01:17:36", "text": "know, he didn't have that terminology."}, {"start": "01:17:33", "end": "01:17:37", "text": "He just said what he saw. He just gave"}, {"start": "01:17:36", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "us the data points, right? And of"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:40", "text": "course, we were all like, \"What was"}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:44", "text": "that?\" You know, we don't know what that"}, {"start": "01:17:40", "end": "01:17:47", "text": "was. And so I remember that as and so"}, {"start": "01:17:44", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "then I meet Tim Galardet and I realized"}, {"start": "01:17:47", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "that my dad had been one of these people"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:55", "text": "that had seen something at sea. So Tim"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:59", "text": "reached out to me and he said can you"}, {"start": "01:17:55", "end": "01:18:01", "text": "tell me about you know about his"}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:04", "text": "experience and what ship anything you"}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:06", "text": "know. So I so my family knows a lot"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:08", "text": "apparently. So they knew a lot of things"}, {"start": "01:18:06", "end": "01:18:10", "text": "like my mother knew where he was"}, {"start": "01:18:08", "end": "01:18:12", "text": "stationed and the ship and everything"}, {"start": "01:18:10", "end": "01:18:14", "text": "like that. So, we gave that all to Tim"}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:15", "text": "and now he's looking for it."}, {"start": "01:18:14", "end": "01:18:16", "text": ">> He's looking for it because there's"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "records of that."}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:19", "text": ">> That's right. That's He should be able"}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:20", "text": "to find it."}, {"start": "01:18:19", "end": "01:18:22", "text": ">> And didn't like your brothers remember"}, {"start": "01:18:20", "end": "01:18:24", "text": "the story and everybody?"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:25", "text": ">> Everybody remembered the story. Yeah, we"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "all remembered it because it's like kind"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:28", "text": "of family lore, you know?"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Did Did your dad eventually come"}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "around to thinking it was a USO? No,"}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:37", "text": ">> I don't think so. So, my dad died pretty"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "young, but he um he did have"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "experiences. So his father had um"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "had a a cabin in the redwoods of"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:48", "text": "California."}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:53", "text": ">> Oh, it's Bigfoot country."}, {"start": "01:18:48", "end": "01:18:55", "text": ">> Yeah. And so my dad said that there was"}, {"start": "01:18:53", "end": "01:18:58", "text": "a cre a big like crevice or something."}, {"start": "01:18:55", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "Some kind of like, you know, um and my"}, {"start": "01:18:58", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "my grandfather would say now, okay, I'm"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:05", "text": "going to give you another family lore"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:07", "text": "UFO story, right? But it doesn't it"}, {"start": "01:19:05", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "doesn't start off as a UFO story. So it"}, {"start": "01:19:07", "end": "01:19:12", "text": "starts off where my grandfather is he"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "likes to tell stories. He's he and my"}, {"start": "01:19:12", "end": "01:19:16", "text": "dad are completely different. So my"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:18", "text": "grandfather likes to tell all these"}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:21", "text": "stories, right? And we love to hear"}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:22", "text": "them. So he apparently told because I"}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:25", "text": "never heard it from my grandfather. I"}, {"start": "01:19:22", "end": "01:19:28", "text": "heard it from my dad. So my my dad told"}, {"start": "01:19:25", "end": "01:19:31", "text": "told us that my grandfather used to go"}, {"start": "01:19:28", "end": "01:19:35", "text": "hiking in the redwoods right in Northern"}, {"start": "01:19:31", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "California and in that area of the"}, {"start": "01:19:35", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "gorge. Uh and I can ask my brother by"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:43", "text": "the way so you can you know tell your"}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "viewers uh where where it is. Uh he used"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:48", "text": "to see UFOs come out of the mountain"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:50", "text": "right and we were like a granddad saw"}, {"start": "01:19:48", "end": "01:19:52", "text": "UFOs coming out of that mountain. That's"}, {"start": "01:19:50", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "funny right?"}, {"start": "01:19:52", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "Okay, so that's the story. So years"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "later, um, one of my brothers becomes a"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:05", "text": "sheriff and then he becomes like a"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:08", "text": "homicide detective. And so he's on this"}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "this homicide and it's in that area."}, {"start": "01:20:08", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "Okay. And so it's a it's a minor. So"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:15", "text": "there it's a minor who's who they don't"}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:17", "text": "know what happened to him. He"}, {"start": "01:20:15", "end": "01:20:19", "text": "disappeared, they said. And so the"}, {"start": "01:20:17", "end": "01:20:21", "text": "people that said this were minors who"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:24", "text": "were on the river and they had, you"}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "know, had a camp and so they gave the"}, {"start": "01:20:24", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "missing report and they said, \"We think,"}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "you know, something bad happened to"}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:31", "text": "him.\" So it was up to my brother and his"}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "team to go looking for him and to find"}, {"start": "01:20:31", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "out what they could find. Right. And so"}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "part of the data that they collected was"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:44", "text": "that this guy was on a mission to go get"}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "photos of the UFOs that were coming out"}, {"start": "01:20:44", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "of the And my brother was like, I've"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:51", "text": "heard that somewhere before and then he"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "came and told us he was like, \"Look at"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:54", "text": "this.\" And and I thought that was a"}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:56", "text": "really interesting connection."}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:20:58", "text": ">> Did he ever find anything?"}, {"start": "01:20:56", "end": "01:21:01", "text": ">> No. No. No. No."}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:02", "text": ">> There was a mission. I've heard that"}, {"start": "01:21:01", "end": "01:21:04", "text": "story before about these guys that go"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:05", "text": "into the woods and disappear or"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:06", "text": "something happens and it turns out"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:08", "text": "they've from the intelligence community"}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "and all of that."}, {"start": "01:21:08", "end": "01:21:11", "text": ">> Isn't that interesting?"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:12", "text": ">> Yeah, it sounds like an extraction not a"}, {"start": "01:21:11", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "missing person's."}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:18", "text": ">> Um so your comparative uh religious"}, {"start": "01:21:17", "end": "01:21:20", "text": "studies and then what you get a call"}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:22", "text": "from aerospace."}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:25", "text": ">> Yes. It was so weird. Yeah. Not just"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:28", "text": "from not just from"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:30", "text": ">> a diff there are a few aerospace so"}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "people from various of these right"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:33", "text": ">> and"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:35", "text": ">> but it's government it's not Lheed"}, {"start": "01:21:33", "end": "01:21:37", "text": "doesn't call you"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:39", "text": ">> not to my knowledge"}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:40", "text": ">> well I guess kind of they did but"}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:42", "text": ">> but it's government"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:45", "text": ">> yeah so it's it's"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:49", "text": "well there are yeah it's different"}, {"start": "01:21:45", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "aerospace companies right and so um"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:54", "text": "honestly I think that it's really"}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:57", "text": "difficult ult to pinpoint like because"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "the the credentials are so you know what"}, {"start": "01:21:57", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "would you call it slippery."}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:03", "text": ">> When you ask them you know what what do"}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:05", "text": "you do exactly you know it's slippery."}, {"start": "01:22:03", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "So I mean that's just how they presented"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "themselves. So they were interested in"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "the data. They were interested in the"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:16", "text": "data on angels and they were interested"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "in the data on the aerial phenomena that"}, {"start": "01:22:16", "end": "01:22:19", "text": "I had recorded"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:20", "text": ">> that you recorded."}, {"start": "01:22:19", "end": "01:22:23", "text": ">> Well no I'm sorry not in a video."}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:24", "text": ">> Oh okay. This is old school recording on"}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:25", "text": "papers."}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:28", "text": ">> That's right. I'm an archavist, you"}, {"start": "01:22:25", "end": "01:22:28", "text": "know. I'm like old school recording this"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:32", "text": ">> How do they find out about you?"}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:35", "text": ">> I think because they must this is what I"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:37", "text": "believe and I and I pretty much have"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:40", "text": "evidence that is true is that there are"}, {"start": "01:22:37", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "certain people from who are who's who"}, {"start": "01:22:40", "end": "01:22:45", "text": "are tasked to"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "troll the internet for anyone who's"}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "doing any kind of research in this area"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:56", "text": "and they want that data. So, I had been"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:58", "text": "doing really low-key American Academy of"}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:23:01", "text": "Religion talks here and there on the"}, {"start": "01:22:58", "end": "01:23:03", "text": "rising belief in UFOs and linking it to"}, {"start": "01:23:01", "end": "01:23:05", "text": "kind of historic, let's compare it to"}, {"start": "01:23:03", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "historical contact events with angels,"}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:07", "text": "guys. This sounds like a fun thing to"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:09", "text": "do, right?"}, {"start": "01:23:07", "end": "01:23:11", "text": ">> And then they saw that and so they were"}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:14", "text": "like, Diana,"}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:15", "text": ">> you know, so they reached out to me and"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:18", "text": ">> how did they reach out?"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:20", "text": ">> First, they just emailed me at my"}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:22", "text": "account, my university account. And you"}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "didn't believe the email, did you?"}, {"start": "01:23:22", "end": "01:23:25", "text": ">> Well, I wasn't sure."}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:27", "text": ">> Like, the email's got to be weird. Do"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "they want like do we want to we want to"}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:32", "text": "talk to you? We want to buy you coffee"}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "or is it more aggressive like we want to"}, {"start": "01:23:32", "end": "01:23:37", "text": "interview you here at this day?"}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:39", "text": ">> Um, well, okay. So, at first it was"}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:41", "text": "first you have to understand that as a"}, {"start": "01:23:39", "end": "01:23:42", "text": "university professor, I would only"}, {"start": "01:23:41", "end": "01:23:44", "text": "receive emails from students and"}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:46", "text": "faculty. And so when you get an"}, {"start": "01:23:44", "end": "01:23:47", "text": "aerospace person saying, you know, and"}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "then you're like, you do your due"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "diligence and you check them out and"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:52", "text": "you're like, is this person real? And"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "then they look real. So you answer them"}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:56", "text": "back. They were just asking for my"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "written records. So they wanted to see"}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:24:00", "text": "the data that I used for some of the"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:02", "text": "publications that I did, which by the"}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:05", "text": "way, those publications are free"}, {"start": "01:24:02", "end": "01:24:05", "text": ">> on academia edu, right? And um"}, {"start": "01:24:05", "end": "01:24:07", "text": ">> they know that."}, {"start": "01:24:05", "end": "01:24:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I guess you're right."}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "So um"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:11", "text": ">> they want to know what's not in there."}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:14", "text": ">> Yeah. They want to know like the what's"}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:14", "text": "the data used? So I'm happy to give that"}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:16", "text": "to them."}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:19", "text": ">> Why? Well, because at in the beginning,"}, {"start": "01:24:16", "end": "01:24:21", "text": "I wasn't quite sure why as I treated"}, {"start": "01:24:19", "end": "01:24:22", "text": "them like an academic."}, {"start": "01:24:21", "end": "01:24:23", "text": ">> So with academics, you show your"}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:24", "text": "sources."}, {"start": "01:24:23", "end": "01:24:26", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "01:24:24", "end": "01:24:29", "text": ">> that's what we do. We say, I got this"}, {"start": "01:24:26", "end": "01:24:30", "text": "information from this source"}, {"start": "01:24:29", "end": "01:24:32", "text": "and then that person looks at it and"}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:35", "text": "says, \"Yeah, that's a a genuine credible"}, {"start": "01:24:32", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "source. We believe you.\" Right? So"}, {"start": "01:24:35", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "that's what we do. We share our sources"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "with each other. We don't hide them."}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:44", "text": "Right? So, it was really shocking to me"}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "when I realized that like they wanted to"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "see this, but they were looking at it"}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:48", "text": "like it was real."}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:50", "text": ">> What was the What year was this first"}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "outreach?"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:56", "text": ">> This was in like 2015, 2016"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:57", "text": ">> uh before Leslie Keane. So,"}, {"start": "01:24:56", "end": "01:24:59", "text": ">> yeah. Okay. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:24:57", "end": "01:25:01", "text": ">> Yeah. That's another thing. It was my"}, {"start": "01:24:59", "end": "01:25:04", "text": "research was parallel"}, {"start": "01:25:01", "end": "01:25:06", "text": ">> to the government"}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "disclosure, pseudo disclosure. What are"}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:11", "text": "we getting? I don't know. But that was"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:13", "text": "not a thing yet. So my research was"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:16", "text": "already well underway and it was on a"}, {"start": "01:25:13", "end": "01:25:18", "text": "track that was parallel to the"}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "government's whatever they were up to,"}, {"start": "01:25:18", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "right? And so we kind of crossed over"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:29", "text": "and that's when I I got the term now is"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "so misused but I got redpilled right on"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:35", "text": "what was going on with"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:36", "text": ">> the government and it was shocking. So I"}, {"start": "01:25:35", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "had first been shocked to see the"}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:43", "text": "historical continuity between"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:45", "text": "religious events and UFO events and I"}, {"start": "01:25:43", "end": "01:25:46", "text": "thought okay"}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:48", "text": "seems like something's going on. I don't"}, {"start": "01:25:46", "end": "01:25:50", "text": "know what but let's do some research"}, {"start": "01:25:48", "end": "01:25:52", "text": "here. And then to see the government"}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:56", "text": "doing it and I was like okay and then to"}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "see the extent of what was going on uh"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:26:03", "text": "was very uh eye opening. So that that"}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:05", "text": "was a period of re um they call it"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:05", "text": "ontological shock now."}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:09", "text": ">> Yes they do."}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:10", "text": ">> Yeah. So I went through that for like a"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:11", "text": "year."}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:13", "text": ">> Did they communicate with you just"}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:13", "text": "through email? When would you when did"}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:16", "text": "you"}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:18", "text": ">> No, I started to meet them and um there"}, {"start": "01:26:16", "end": "01:26:21", "text": "were a few different types of people"}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:24", "text": "like uh depending on where they worked."}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:26", "text": "So this is around so I think it was"}, {"start": "01:26:24", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "around two I can't exactly remember the"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:34", "text": "year maybe it was like 2013 2014 where I"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "met Tyler who is a person who's"}, {"start": "01:26:34", "end": "01:26:39", "text": "associated with uh these kinds of this"}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:40", "text": "kind of work but worked for the"}, {"start": "01:26:39", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "government in various capacities."}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:45", "text": ">> So this is before the email."}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:49", "text": ">> Uh yeah I met him before before"}, {"start": "01:26:45", "end": "01:26:51", "text": ">> well how did he come across you?"}, {"start": "01:26:49", "end": "01:26:55", "text": "um he came across so he did reach out to"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "me and he learned about me through"}, {"start": "01:26:55", "end": "01:26:59", "text": "this is I think it's part of his job was"}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:01", "text": "he trolled the internet right or he had"}, {"start": "01:26:59", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "people who did because he actually"}, {"start": "01:27:01", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "probably couldn't"}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:07", "text": ">> and so he figured out who I was reached"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:09", "text": "out to me it took me about a year before"}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:12", "text": "I actually met him in person because I"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:15", "text": "wasn't uh you have to understand just a"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:18", "text": "super conventional boring professor here"}, {"start": "01:27:15", "end": "01:27:20", "text": "having this conventional boring life And"}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:22", "text": "this kind of stuff with the government"}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:24", "text": "weirded me out. I was like, uh, I'm not"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:26", "text": "sure I want to meet anybody like that."}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:28", "text": ">> Why did he want to meet?"}, {"start": "01:27:26", "end": "01:27:30", "text": ">> Because, uh, I wasn't quite sure what"}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:35", "text": "the motivation for wanting to know all"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:39", "text": "this information was. Like why? And, um,"}, {"start": "01:27:35", "end": "01:27:41", "text": "they were affiliated with like CIA, FBI,"}, {"start": "01:27:39", "end": "01:27:45", "text": "and I didn't really want that in my"}, {"start": "01:27:41", "end": "01:27:48", "text": "life. Still don't. Um, so yeah, so I"}, {"start": "01:27:45", "end": "01:27:50", "text": "just kind of wanted to keep to my lane."}, {"start": "01:27:48", "end": "01:27:53", "text": "I was in my lane and I didn't really"}, {"start": "01:27:50", "end": "01:27:57", "text": "want to come out of it. Um,"}, {"start": "01:27:53", "end": "01:27:59", "text": "I I I intuited danger."}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:02", "text": ">> I think maybe correctly. So he said,"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:05", "text": "\"What do you Let's get coffee or"}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:07", "text": ">> Okay. So he wanted to meet uh invited me"}, {"start": "01:28:05", "end": "01:28:09", "text": "to Cape Canaveral a couple times, you"}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:10", "text": "know, to see a rocket launch and stuff"}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:13", "text": "like that,"}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:18", "text": ">> but I declined to go.\" Okay. Even though"}, {"start": "01:28:13", "end": "01:28:19", "text": "it sounded cool, right? And then"}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:22", "text": ">> Well, I mean, that's that's one that's"}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "an approach is come down, see a rocket"}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:27", "text": "launch. I'm a cool guy. It's all good."}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. No, I"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:34", "text": "didn't go for it. Um,"}, {"start": "01:28:31", "end": "01:28:37", "text": "you know, um,"}, {"start": "01:28:34", "end": "01:28:39", "text": "so what happened was that when I did"}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "finally meet him, it was I bring up the"}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:43", "text": "American Academy of Religion a lot. I"}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "hope that they're okay with that. Um,"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:48", "text": "but this is like a meeting. So, I I"}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:51", "text": "would attend these meetings every year."}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:52", "text": "And this one was in Georgia, Atlanta,"}, {"start": "01:28:51", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "and he lived near there."}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:57", "text": ">> And so, he said I said, \"Look, if if you"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "happen to be around, I'm going to be at"}, {"start": "01:28:57", "end": "01:28:59", "text": "this conference. Maybe we could have"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:01", "text": "coffee.\""}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:04", "text": ">> Um, and then he said, \"Yes, I'm going to"}, {"start": "01:29:01", "end": "01:29:07", "text": "be there.\" And so, I thought, \"Oh, I"}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:08", "text": "better tell my friend Jeff that I need"}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:10", "text": "to to meet him with Jeff.\" Like, I"}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:10", "text": "didn't want to meet him by myself. Good"}, {"start": "01:29:10", "end": "01:29:13", "text": "call."}, {"start": "01:29:10", "end": "01:29:15", "text": ">> Because I wanted somebody else to to"}, {"start": "01:29:13", "end": "01:29:16", "text": "like get a read on him, right?"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:16", "text": ">> Is this Jeffrey Kriel?"}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:18", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:22", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:29:18", "end": "01:29:25", "text": ">> So, so we did we met and um you know it"}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:27", "text": "was a really funny meeting too because"}, {"start": "01:29:25", "end": "01:29:29", "text": "we were it was the American Academy of"}, {"start": "01:29:27", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "Religions, a bunch of religious studies"}, {"start": "01:29:29", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "people. They're all kind of like you"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:36", "text": "know they're similar uh you know it's"}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:38", "text": "kind of like a conference for sci-fi"}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:40", "text": "people or you know we have our thing."}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:42", "text": "Yeah, you know, you can identify them,"}, {"start": "01:29:40", "end": "01:29:45", "text": "but there's many of them. There's like"}, {"start": "01:29:42", "end": "01:29:49", "text": "600s of of them there. And there, we"}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:51", "text": "couldn't find a place to eat. And so,"}, {"start": "01:29:49", "end": "01:29:53", "text": "um, he said, \"Well, I'm at, you know,"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:55", "text": "this fancy hotel and why don't you come"}, {"start": "01:29:53", "end": "01:29:57", "text": "and I'll buy you lunch, right?\" And so,"}, {"start": "01:29:55", "end": "01:30:00", "text": "we just called and got us a place. And"}, {"start": "01:29:57", "end": "01:30:02", "text": "so, Jeff was like, \"Wow, that's kind of"}, {"start": "01:30:00", "end": "01:30:04", "text": "out of my price range kind of thing, you"}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:06", "text": "know, for me, too.\" And he's like, \"No,"}, {"start": "01:30:04", "end": "01:30:08", "text": "I got the I cover it.\" Yeah. And so, you"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:10", "text": "know, immediately Jeff liked him and I"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:13", "text": "was like, \"Come on, Jeff. You know, keep"}, {"start": "01:30:10", "end": "01:30:14", "text": "keep up the, you know, you got to you"}, {"start": "01:30:13", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "got to be suspicious here, right? We"}, {"start": "01:30:14", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "don't know about this guy."}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:19", "text": ">> He's kind of nice.\""}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:21", "text": ">> Yeah. He Oh, he was taken in by him."}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "Yeah. So, that was the first meeting."}, {"start": "01:30:21", "end": "01:30:24", "text": ">> I picture like an empty restaurant like,"}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:26", "text": "\"Oh, I bought out the whole place for"}, {"start": "01:30:24", "end": "01:30:27", "text": "us. It's just us here.\""}, {"start": "01:30:26", "end": "01:30:28", "text": ">> It was kind of like that. And that's"}, {"start": "01:30:27", "end": "01:30:31", "text": "when I first realized that he was"}, {"start": "01:30:28", "end": "01:30:34", "text": "wearing all kinds of uh"}, {"start": "01:30:31", "end": "01:30:36", "text": "like uh surveillance devices. like he"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:38", "text": "was wearing stuff on him that took video"}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:40", "text": "and he said and he said that to us too."}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "So as we were done with lunch, we had a"}, {"start": "01:30:40", "end": "01:30:43", "text": "great lunch. We we were going back to"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:44", "text": "the conference."}, {"start": "01:30:43", "end": "01:30:44", "text": ">> Wait, what is he wearing? Like a body"}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:46", "text": "game?"}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:48", "text": ">> I don't know. All kinds of stuff. You"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:50", "text": "couldn't even tell though. And he said"}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "and he we were walking across the"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:55", "text": "street. It was really windy. and he kind"}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "of grabbed part, you know, like where"}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:30:59", "text": "maybe one of these devices was and he's"}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:03", "text": "like, \"Oh, well, I'm all decked out with"}, {"start": "01:30:59", "end": "01:31:05", "text": "this, you know, this video and stuff.\""}, {"start": "01:31:03", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "And I'm thinking,"}, {"start": "01:31:05", "end": "01:31:09", "text": "I took notice of that. Like I I think"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:10", "text": "that's weird, right?"}, {"start": "01:31:09", "end": "01:31:12", "text": ">> He didn't mention that during the lunch"}, {"start": "01:31:10", "end": "01:31:14", "text": "like, \"Hey, I'm recording all of this.\""}, {"start": "01:31:12", "end": "01:31:16", "text": ">> He probably was like, he would seem to"}, {"start": "01:31:14", "end": "01:31:19", "text": "record everything and Yeah, I know."}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:21", "text": ">> All right. So, he was Yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:21", "text": ">> Oh, he should he should disclose that. I"}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:22", "text": "don't like that."}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:22", "text": ">> I think so."}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:25", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:26", "text": ">> but Well, he did, right?"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:29", "text": ">> With the wind."}, {"start": "01:31:26", "end": "01:31:32", "text": ">> No, I know. I know. So, I told Jeff that"}, {"start": "01:31:29", "end": "01:31:33", "text": "as we were walking out. Uh, and that,"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:36", "text": "you know, he went his way and we went"}, {"start": "01:31:33", "end": "01:31:38", "text": "ours. And I said, Jeff, like, didn't you"}, {"start": "01:31:36", "end": "01:31:40", "text": "hear what he said? And he was like, \"No,"}, {"start": "01:31:38", "end": "01:31:41", "text": "what'd he say? He's really nice. We"}, {"start": "01:31:40", "end": "01:31:43", "text": "should invite him to this conference.\""}, {"start": "01:31:41", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "And I'm like, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:31:43", "end": "01:31:45", "text": ">> maybe he'll take us out for dinner.\""}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:50", "text": ">> Um, is that when Tyler invited you for"}, {"start": "01:31:48", "end": "01:31:52", "text": "to go to the desert?"}, {"start": "01:31:50", "end": "01:31:54", "text": ">> Yeah. So there was a kind of like this"}, {"start": "01:31:52", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "standing invitation to the desert which"}, {"start": "01:31:54", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "again took me a long time to say yes to."}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:01", "text": ">> What did he say was out there?"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:04", "text": ">> Okay. So he was he noticed that the way"}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:05", "text": "I studied this topic was not from a"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:06", "text": "belief perspective."}, {"start": "01:32:05", "end": "01:32:09", "text": ">> That's why you're interesting."}, {"start": "01:32:06", "end": "01:32:11", "text": ">> Yeah. And so he wanted me to be a"}, {"start": "01:32:09", "end": "01:32:13", "text": "believer. And so he said and believe"}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "like I believe people were having these"}, {"start": "01:32:13", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "experiences. Isn't that enough? No. He"}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:20", "text": "wanted to show me physical proof. Right."}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:22", "text": "And of course at this point I had read"}, {"start": "01:32:20", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "all of Jacques Valet's work. I know"}, {"start": "01:32:22", "end": "01:32:27", "text": "Jacques. You know I was all and you know"}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:29", "text": "he was so helpful to me. He was like"}, {"start": "01:32:27", "end": "01:32:30", "text": "don't believe anything Diana. You know"}, {"start": "01:32:29", "end": "01:32:33", "text": "he was telling me this all the time."}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:36", "text": "He's like people will show you a body do"}, {"start": "01:32:33", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "not believe it. Right. Jacques. So early"}, {"start": "01:32:36", "end": "01:32:40", "text": "on like 2012."}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:45", "text": ">> And so I had the Jacques Valet kind of"}, {"start": "01:32:40", "end": "01:32:47", "text": "framework going into this. And so I was"}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:49", "text": "like, he's going to show me something,"}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:52", "text": "but no way am I going to believe it."}, {"start": "01:32:49", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "Right? So, but I'll go out, but I'll"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:56", "text": "only go out with someone. I'm not going"}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:58", "text": "out on my own, right? Seems kind of"}, {"start": "01:32:56", "end": "01:33:00", "text": "creepy, really. You know, like he wanted"}, {"start": "01:32:58", "end": "01:33:02", "text": "me to wear like this is a legitimate"}, {"start": "01:33:00", "end": "01:33:05", "text": "place that he was talking about. He this"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:08", "text": "and a place that he excavated, right,"}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:10", "text": "with people over many, many, many years."}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:13", "text": "And it was he this is what he told me"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "about it. He said it was and I believe"}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:17", "text": "that this is a place that Jacques talks"}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:19", "text": "about in Trinity because it was after he"}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:22", "text": "met him and went out there that he wrote"}, {"start": "01:33:19", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "Trinity. Um but I don't know I don't"}, {"start": "01:33:22", "end": "01:33:27", "text": "know for sure. Okay. Um"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:29", "text": "because a lot of course a lot is being"}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:30", "text": "said about the place and so forth."}, {"start": "01:33:29", "end": "01:33:33", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:36", "text": ">> And also I got information from various"}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:38", "text": "people that was that said"}, {"start": "01:33:36", "end": "01:33:40", "text": ">> yeah just don't talk about that place"}, {"start": "01:33:38", "end": "01:33:43", "text": "but how can I not? I wrote about it."}, {"start": "01:33:40", "end": "01:33:45", "text": "It's in my book. So, um,"}, {"start": "01:33:43", "end": "01:33:47", "text": ">> yeah. So, he did take us out to this"}, {"start": "01:33:45", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "place that he said was a crash"}, {"start": "01:33:47", "end": "01:33:51", "text": "retrieval. It, you know, UFOs crashed"}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "there in the 1940s."}, {"start": "01:33:51", "end": "01:33:54", "text": ">> Hold on a second. Okay. Sorry."}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:56", "text": ">> Did you get on the plane and where you"}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:33:56", "text": "land in Albuquerque?"}, {"start": "01:33:56", "end": "01:33:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:56", "end": "01:34:00", "text": ">> And when when did he say, \"We're going"}, {"start": "01:33:58", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "to blindfold you.\""}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:05", "text": ">> Okay. So, he described the whole process"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "to to me and I decided to bring Gary"}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:10", "text": "Nolan with me. Right. At the time, Gary,"}, {"start": "01:34:07", "end": "01:34:12", "text": "his name was um James. His He's since"}, {"start": "01:34:10", "end": "01:34:15", "text": "come out as himself."}, {"start": "01:34:12", "end": "01:34:18", "text": ">> But you invited Jeff and said no."}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:20", "text": ">> No, I invited Jeff. Yeah, but um it was"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:21", "text": "outside of his comfort zone."}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:23", "text": ">> Well, yeah. I mean, I've read that you"}, {"start": "01:34:21", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "won't go into a haunted house, but"}, {"start": "01:34:23", "end": "01:34:26", "text": "you'll be blindfolded by a government"}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:30", "text": "official to go out into the desert. Your"}, {"start": "01:34:26", "end": "01:34:32", "text": "line is weird, man."}, {"start": "01:34:30", "end": "01:34:34", "text": ">> Yeah, that's right. Well, I didn't think"}, {"start": "01:34:32", "end": "01:34:36", "text": "anything was haunted out there."}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:38", "text": ">> You can't blindfold me. would be"}, {"start": "01:34:36", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "blindfolded. That's crazy."}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:41", "text": ">> I didn't think it was that weird."}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:42", "text": ">> Did he at least give you a heads up or"}, {"start": "01:34:41", "end": "01:34:44", "text": "was this like another recording thing"}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:47", "text": "like, \"Oh, when we get there, you're"}, {"start": "01:34:44", "end": "01:34:49", "text": "going to have to for security.\""}, {"start": "01:34:47", "end": "01:34:51", "text": ">> Oh, no. He gave us a heads up."}, {"start": "01:34:49", "end": "01:34:52", "text": ">> Okay. So, it wasn't like a surprise like"}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:53", "text": "here, put this on."}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:56", "text": ">> I mean, I had to go through like two"}, {"start": "01:34:53", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "years of like getting, you know, having"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:01", "text": "my getting numb to the the weirdness of"}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:02", "text": "it, right? So, two So, he invited me"}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "early on."}, {"start": "01:35:02", "end": "01:35:04", "text": ">> How persistent was he during those"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "years?"}, {"start": "01:35:04", "end": "01:35:07", "text": ">> Oh, no. We just bring it up every once"}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:09", "text": "in a while, you know, and say,"}, {"start": "01:35:07", "end": "01:35:10", "text": "\"Remember, we could go out here. It's,"}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:13", "text": "you know, these people have been out"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:15", "text": "there and, you know, we get this is this"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "will make you believe because you'll see"}, {"start": "01:35:15", "end": "01:35:18", "text": "evidence for it.\""}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:19", "text": ">> Did he tell you what you'd see yet or"}, {"start": "01:35:18", "end": "01:35:22", "text": "just evidence?"}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:24", "text": ">> He said it would be physical material."}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:25", "text": ">> Okay. So,"}, {"start": "01:35:24", "end": "01:35:26", "text": "how"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:29", "text": ">> I mean, I'm clear in my book. I"}, {"start": "01:35:26", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "basically say, \"I don't believe this,"}, {"start": "01:35:29", "end": "01:35:32", "text": "but these two guys believe it, and"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:35", "text": "they're really smart.\""}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:38", "text": ">> Yes, they are. Um, so you're out there"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:41", "text": "with Gary. The uh the blindfolds are on."}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:44", "text": "They come off. So you're out in the"}, {"start": "01:35:41", "end": "01:35:45", "text": "desert at a crash site."}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:46", "text": ">> An alleged crash site."}, {"start": "01:35:45", "end": "01:35:47", "text": ">> And this is all alleged."}, {"start": "01:35:46", "end": "01:35:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:51", "text": ">> Um because as we were talking about"}, {"start": "01:35:48", "end": "01:35:54", "text": "earlier is I was wondering how you don't"}, {"start": "01:35:51", "end": "01:35:56", "text": "know if you're not being used by"}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:58", "text": ">> Oh, no. I I put that in the book."}, {"start": "01:35:56", "end": "01:36:00", "text": ">> Yes. Because part of what happens to"}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "people, I see it happening now,"}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:05", "text": ">> is that they're shown stuff, right?"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "There's a lot of people and they're"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:08", "text": "shown stuff now. They haven't read"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:10", "text": "Jacques Valet. They haven't read the"}, {"start": "01:36:08", "end": "01:36:13", "text": "whole history of eupfology. You have to"}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "do that before you endeavor on any of"}, {"start": "01:36:13", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "this or you will be fooled."}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:18", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:19", "text": ">> you will be fooled. So, I think people"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "hear my story, but they don't read the"}, {"start": "01:36:19", "end": "01:36:25", "text": "they don't actually read what I say. So"}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:27", "text": "I honestly am writing an academic book"}, {"start": "01:36:25", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "and this is for people who are in"}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "academia and we are talk you know I'm"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:36", "text": "talking about this as a rising belief"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:38", "text": "system but I know that this is a curious"}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "rising belief system because there's so"}, {"start": "01:36:38", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "much real disinformation in it. So my"}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:48", "text": "position is it's all data like if he's"}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:50", "text": "trying to dis disinform me this is also"}, {"start": "01:36:48", "end": "01:36:53", "text": "data about this rising belief system. So"}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:55", "text": "I had to completely shift the normal way"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:57", "text": "of doing religious studies. I had to"}, {"start": "01:36:55", "end": "01:37:00", "text": "incorporate"}, {"start": "01:36:57", "end": "01:37:03", "text": "known known unknowns, right? I had to"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "incorporate the idea that there that I'm"}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "being actively targeted for"}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:13", "text": "disinformation all the time. And this"}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:16", "text": "could be that. Um"}, {"start": "01:37:13", "end": "01:37:19", "text": "but you know who do I have? I've got"}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "Gary Nolan and he can figure out if this"}, {"start": "01:37:19", "end": "01:37:22", "text": "is real or not. He's going to bring it"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "back to his lab. I've seen his stuff in"}, {"start": "01:37:22", "end": "01:37:25", "text": "his lab. I've been to his labs. He's"}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:26", "text": "legit."}, {"start": "01:37:25", "end": "01:37:28", "text": ">> Well, when you're on the site, what"}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:28", "text": "what's what do you see on the ground?"}, {"start": "01:37:28", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "What do you I mean"}, {"start": "01:37:28", "end": "01:37:31", "text": ">> Okay. Sure. Sure."}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:33", "text": ">> Is there a UFO under a tarp?"}, {"start": "01:37:31", "end": "01:37:36", "text": ">> Okay. No, no, listen. Listen. Okay. So,"}, {"start": "01:37:33", "end": "01:37:39", "text": "all right. So, we So, we uh I introduced"}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:41", "text": "Gary to uh Tyler."}, {"start": "01:37:39", "end": "01:37:43", "text": ">> Tyler takes him to that Air Force place,"}, {"start": "01:37:41", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "right? and they have some really amazing"}, {"start": "01:37:43", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "things there and kind of shows him all"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:51", "text": "this stuff that makes Gary recognize"}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:54", "text": "that this guy is hardcore"}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:55", "text": ">> like and Gary's like okay you know he's"}, {"start": "01:37:54", "end": "01:37:57", "text": "got there's scientists there that are"}, {"start": "01:37:55", "end": "01:37:59", "text": "better than these scientists you know"}, {"start": "01:37:57", "end": "01:38:02", "text": "and he's like okay what's going on so"}, {"start": "01:37:59", "end": "01:38:03", "text": "he's beginning to see a bigger picture"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:04", "text": "and so um"}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:07", "text": ">> and Gary would know"}, {"start": "01:38:04", "end": "01:38:09", "text": ">> he totally would know yeah so then so"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:10", "text": "good I'm glad that Gary wants to go and"}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:12", "text": "do this with me because he's the right"}, {"start": "01:38:10", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "guy to do it Yes."}, {"start": "01:38:12", "end": "01:38:17", "text": ">> Okay. So, we go out there and we take"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:19", "text": "the, you know, we put the blindfolds on"}, {"start": "01:38:17", "end": "01:38:23", "text": "and stuff is funny. We make jokes and"}, {"start": "01:38:19", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "stuff and we go for like 40 45 minutes."}, {"start": "01:38:23", "end": "01:38:28", "text": "Uh, we could tell it's kind of rocky"}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "territory. And once we get there, uh,"}, {"start": "01:38:28", "end": "01:38:30", "text": "he's like, \"Okay, you could take your"}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "blindfolds off.\" So, we take the"}, {"start": "01:38:30", "end": "01:38:34", "text": "blindfolds off and we get out of the"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:37", "text": "car. And by the way, we have to wear"}, {"start": "01:38:34", "end": "01:38:38", "text": "like uh there were like rattlesnakes out"}, {"start": "01:38:37", "end": "01:38:41", "text": "there and so forth. So we have to wear"}, {"start": "01:38:38", "end": "01:38:43", "text": "like sunscreen because it's high desert."}, {"start": "01:38:41", "end": "01:38:44", "text": "We have to wear these boots. So we're"}, {"start": "01:38:43", "end": "01:38:47", "text": "like outfitted out. We look pretty"}, {"start": "01:38:44", "end": "01:38:50", "text": "ridiculous, right? So we get out there"}, {"start": "01:38:47", "end": "01:38:54", "text": "and I look around because it looks kind"}, {"start": "01:38:50", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "of familiar to me. And and so he notices"}, {"start": "01:38:54", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "that and he says, \"Does this look"}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:38:59", "text": "familiar to you?\" And I was like, \"Well,"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "yeah, it does.\" says, and he goes,"}, {"start": "01:38:59", "end": "01:39:05", "text": "\"That's because it was on the one of the"}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:07", "text": "seasons of the XFiles.\" And I was like,"}, {"start": "01:39:05", "end": "01:39:09", "text": "\"What?\" And so that's when it started to"}, {"start": "01:39:07", "end": "01:39:12", "text": "make sense to me as a scholar because"}, {"start": "01:39:09", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "then I was like, \"All right, this is"}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:16", "text": "like real life, you know, this is what"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "this in a lot of ways, religion is like"}, {"start": "01:39:16", "end": "01:39:21", "text": "this that it starts with kind of like an"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:23", "text": "event that you can't prove, but then it"}, {"start": "01:39:21", "end": "01:39:25", "text": "gets reinforced through media. Religion"}, {"start": "01:39:23", "end": "01:39:27", "text": "has always been this way. It's been"}, {"start": "01:39:25", "end": "01:39:31", "text": "either images you see in church or books"}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:33", "text": "or stories. And so I was like, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "this is ground zero of this new UFO"}, {"start": "01:39:33", "end": "01:39:38", "text": "belief, right? And I'm on it right now.\""}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:40", "text": "And so then what my job was was"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:43", "text": "basically to watch these two scientists"}, {"start": "01:39:40", "end": "01:39:47", "text": "who are complete believers. And I"}, {"start": "01:39:43", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "Tyler's a believer. He's not honestly"}, {"start": "01:39:47", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "I've known I knew him for so long and I"}, {"start": "01:39:49", "end": "01:39:56", "text": "got to see parts of his life that were"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "so um you can't make up kind of stuff,"}, {"start": "01:39:56", "end": "01:40:01", "text": "you know, like phone calls he'd take and"}, {"start": "01:39:58", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "stuff and I could tell like he's totally"}, {"start": "01:40:01", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "a believer. Um and so is Gary. And so"}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:11", "text": "they were both like so we had metal"}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:14", "text": "detectors configured for the area. Um,"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:17", "text": "and so we spent like all day looking for"}, {"start": "01:40:14", "end": "01:40:19", "text": "this stuff. Part there were parts buried"}, {"start": "01:40:17", "end": "01:40:23", "text": "under things. And so we got this stuff"}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:25", "text": "that to me looked like uh frog skin,"}, {"start": "01:40:23", "end": "01:40:28", "text": "right? And so a bunch of that stuff and"}, {"start": "01:40:25", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "they put it in bags and they labeled it"}, {"start": "01:40:28", "end": "01:40:32", "text": "and everything and they we were going to"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:33", "text": "take it back with us."}, {"start": "01:40:32", "end": "01:40:35", "text": ">> You're wondering why it wasn't already"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:37", "text": "collected so and taken somewhere."}, {"start": "01:40:35", "end": "01:40:39", "text": ">> It had been collected. So the thing is"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:42", "text": "is that they couldn't get everything. So"}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "when we got out there, what the first"}, {"start": "01:40:42", "end": "01:40:45", "text": "thing I noticed was that there was"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:48", "text": "rubble everywhere and it looked like"}, {"start": "01:40:45", "end": "01:40:50", "text": "kind of rusty rubble, like red colored."}, {"start": "01:40:48", "end": "01:40:52", "text": "And I didn't know what that was. And"}, {"start": "01:40:50", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "Tyler said that this was dis"}, {"start": "01:40:52", "end": "01:40:56", "text": "disintegrated cans um from the 1950s"}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:40:58", "text": "when the government was out there"}, {"start": "01:40:56", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "getting everything. And then they wanted"}, {"start": "01:40:58", "end": "01:41:01", "text": "to put that down there so people with"}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:03", "text": "metal detectors couldn't go out there,"}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:05", "text": "right, and get the stuff. And this was a"}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:07", "text": "this was actually something that my"}, {"start": "01:41:05", "end": "01:41:09", "text": "editor wanted me to take out. So, I"}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:11", "text": "described it because my editor, she's"}, {"start": "01:41:09", "end": "01:41:13", "text": "from Oxford, right? She's a editor"}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:16", "text": "editor with Oxford University Press. And"}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:18", "text": "she goes, \"That doesn't make sense"}, {"start": "01:41:16", "end": "01:41:20", "text": "because this is you're out there in the"}, {"start": "01:41:18", "end": "01:41:23", "text": "middle of nowhere. Why would the"}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:25", "text": "government put a bunch of cans out there"}, {"start": "01:41:23", "end": "01:41:26", "text": "just letting them disintegrate?\""}, {"start": "01:41:25", "end": "01:41:28", "text": ">> Is it obvious?"}, {"start": "01:41:26", "end": "01:41:31", "text": ">> Well, I I mean, I told her I said,"}, {"start": "01:41:28", "end": "01:41:33", "text": "\"Listen, I don't know, but that's what I"}, {"start": "01:41:31", "end": "01:41:36", "text": "saw. I saw this rubble and this was the"}, {"start": "01:41:33", "end": "01:41:38", "text": "explanate explanation that Tyler gave to"}, {"start": "01:41:36", "end": "01:41:41", "text": "me. So, we have Yeah, we have to keep"}, {"start": "01:41:38", "end": "01:41:42", "text": "that in there. Yes. As data and she she"}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:46", "text": "went with that. She she was so"}, {"start": "01:41:42", "end": "01:41:48", "text": "wonderful, by the way, because uh"}, {"start": "01:41:46", "end": "01:41:51", "text": "because I had a lot of weird things to"}, {"start": "01:41:48", "end": "01:41:53", "text": "to describe, right? And so, she was okay"}, {"start": "01:41:51", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "with it. Well, no, she wasn't with"}, {"start": "01:41:53", "end": "01:41:57", "text": "everything, but she was like, \"Okay, all"}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:42:00", "text": "right. We could keep it in there.\" And"}, {"start": "01:41:57", "end": "01:42:01", "text": "I'm glad we kept it in there. No, that's"}, {"start": "01:42:00", "end": "01:42:03", "text": "I mean that's I think it's important to"}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:05", "text": "keep that in there because it shows an"}, {"start": "01:42:03", "end": "01:42:08", "text": "act of cover up."}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:10", "text": ">> It shows something. Um I've since had"}, {"start": "01:42:08", "end": "01:42:11", "text": "people tell me that it was just"}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:13", "text": "something that the government did, but"}, {"start": "01:42:11", "end": "01:42:15", "text": "it had nothing to do with UFOs and that"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:17", "text": "was, you know, I've had other people"}, {"start": "01:42:15", "end": "01:42:20", "text": "tell me things about what it was. It"}, {"start": "01:42:17", "end": "01:42:22", "text": "doesn't matter really because again from"}, {"start": "01:42:20", "end": "01:42:25", "text": "my perspective, from a religious studies"}, {"start": "01:42:22", "end": "01:42:27", "text": "perspective, documenting a rise in"}, {"start": "01:42:25", "end": "01:42:28", "text": "belief in UFOs, it doesn't matter if"}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:31", "text": "it's if it's really what Tyler believed"}, {"start": "01:42:28", "end": "01:42:33", "text": "it was or not. What matters is that's"}, {"start": "01:42:31", "end": "01:42:35", "text": "how it fit into his narrative. Yes."}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:37", "text": ">> And that's what I was describing."}, {"start": "01:42:35", "end": "01:42:39", "text": ">> So the frog skin, did it look strange or"}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:40", "text": "did it just look like more pieces of"}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:44", "text": "metal?"}, {"start": "01:42:40", "end": "01:42:47", "text": ">> No, it looked strange. It looked like um"}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:47", "text": "it looked shiny and iridescent."}, {"start": "01:42:47", "end": "01:42:49", "text": ">> Iridescent"}, {"start": "01:42:47", "end": "01:42:51", "text": ">> with pebbly stuff on it. I mean, it"}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "literally looked like frog skin. You"}, {"start": "01:42:51", "end": "01:42:56", "text": "know, a frog that has that kind of skin,"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:58", "text": "kind of rough pebbly skin. Um I've"}, {"start": "01:42:56", "end": "01:43:01", "text": "talked about this in podcast before and"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:03", "text": "then I've had like end I've heard that"}, {"start": "01:43:01", "end": "01:43:05", "text": "there were endless like dis discussions"}, {"start": "01:43:03", "end": "01:43:08", "text": "with Gary about this. We finally put it"}, {"start": "01:43:05", "end": "01:43:11", "text": "to rest on a podcast with Chris. I"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:13", "text": "forgot his uh last name, but there's a"}, {"start": "01:43:11", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "podcast out there that where we meet and"}, {"start": "01:43:13", "end": "01:43:15", "text": "discuss it."}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:19", "text": ">> Maybe Chris Ramsey."}, {"start": "01:43:15", "end": "01:43:22", "text": ">> No, no. Um he's an air he's a pilot,"}, {"start": "01:43:19", "end": "01:43:24", "text": "ex-pilot who's in uh Portugal now."}, {"start": "01:43:22", "end": "01:43:28", "text": ">> Okay. So, did Gary ask to take the"}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:30", "text": "material or did Tyler offer it?"}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:32", "text": ">> All along we knew that Gary would be"}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:36", "text": "taking the material to study it."}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:38", "text": ">> What did Gary find? he found uh for that"}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "particular material"}, {"start": "01:43:38", "end": "01:43:43", "text": "uh right now well in the beginning uh"}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:46", "text": "there were stages of what Gary found."}, {"start": "01:43:43", "end": "01:43:49", "text": "Okay. So in the very beginning he found"}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:52", "text": "that the isotopic ratios were really"}, {"start": "01:43:49", "end": "01:43:54", "text": "crazy and and he and Jacques had lots of"}, {"start": "01:43:52", "end": "01:43:58", "text": "communication about this and I was privy"}, {"start": "01:43:54", "end": "01:44:02", "text": "to that some of it at least and then uh"}, {"start": "01:43:58", "end": "01:44:03", "text": "later they were like like that when I'd"}, {"start": "01:44:02", "end": "01:44:04", "text": "asked them about they were like"}, {"start": "01:44:03", "end": "01:44:06", "text": ">> they didn't want to talk about it."}, {"start": "01:44:04", "end": "01:44:08", "text": ">> I don't know let's just say I don't want"}, {"start": "01:44:06", "end": "01:44:10", "text": "to say like it just was kind of odd. So"}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:11", "text": "I just kind of like Okay."}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:14", "text": ">> Gary is probably obviously available"}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:17", "text": "that certain isotopes won't occur here."}, {"start": "01:44:14", "end": "01:44:19", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh and so that's why in the end"}, {"start": "01:44:17", "end": "01:44:22", "text": "like that's why when I talk about it in"}, {"start": "01:44:19", "end": "01:44:23", "text": "the book I I quote him where he says"}, {"start": "01:44:22", "end": "01:44:25", "text": "this could not have been made in this"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:26", "text": "universe. And I was like are you sure"}, {"start": "01:44:25", "end": "01:44:28", "text": "you want to say that? He's like yeah."}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:29", "text": "And I was like okay. But later on"}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:30", "text": "changes"}, {"start": "01:44:29", "end": "01:44:34", "text": ">> on this planet."}, {"start": "01:44:30", "end": "01:44:37", "text": ">> Um well he's well he's since said other"}, {"start": "01:44:34", "end": "01:44:38", "text": "things about it. So it's ongoing"}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:40", "text": "research I guess. Okay, I'll just put it"}, {"start": "01:44:38", "end": "01:44:43", "text": "I'll let him talk about that because I"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:45", "text": "don't want to have any disagreements or"}, {"start": "01:44:43", "end": "01:44:48", "text": "anything. I'm just talking about what I"}, {"start": "01:44:45", "end": "01:44:48", "text": "put in the book and what I experienced"}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:49", "text": "when"}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> That's okay. And if you get some details"}, {"start": "01:44:49", "end": "01:44:53", "text": "wrong, just go read the books because"}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:56", "text": "they're great. Anyway, do we did we get"}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:44:57", "text": "a um um like a metallurgical analysis of"}, {"start": "01:44:56", "end": "01:44:59", "text": "of what"}, {"start": "01:44:57", "end": "01:45:00", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, of course,"}, {"start": "01:44:59", "end": "01:45:02", "text": "Tyler already had all this."}, {"start": "01:45:00", "end": "01:45:04", "text": ">> Yeah, he already knew all of it."}, {"start": "01:45:02", "end": "01:45:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, no, not all of it. So there"}, {"start": "01:45:04", "end": "01:45:07", "text": "were certain things that Gary could"}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:08", "text": "provide that he did not have the"}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "equipment to figure out."}, {"start": "01:45:08", "end": "01:45:14", "text": ">> Tyler didn't have the equipment."}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:18", "text": ">> I'm pretty sure that's why he was"}, {"start": "01:45:14", "end": "01:45:20", "text": "opening it up like to like p well let's"}, {"start": "01:45:18", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "just say like other types of scientists"}, {"start": "01:45:20", "end": "01:45:25", "text": "than the kind that he was utilizing to"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:27", "text": "figure out what it was because maybe"}, {"start": "01:45:25", "end": "01:45:28", "text": "they hit a roadblock. I don't know. This"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:30", "text": "is all speculation. It"}, {"start": "01:45:28", "end": "01:45:31", "text": ">> of course it is. Do you remember the the"}, {"start": "01:45:30", "end": "01:45:33", "text": "components?"}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:35", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:37", "text": "If I were a scientist, I would remember,"}, {"start": "01:45:35", "end": "01:45:39", "text": "but I am not a I am not a scientist, so"}, {"start": "01:45:37", "end": "01:45:41", "text": "it doesn't stick in my memory."}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:43", "text": ">> It's interesting that you talk about a"}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:45", "text": "belief system."}, {"start": "01:45:43", "end": "01:45:47", "text": ">> Was it Young who said how interesting it"}, {"start": "01:45:45", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "is to be a part of an emerging belief"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:48", "text": "system?"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:49", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:45:48", "end": "01:45:52", "text": ">> That's what he said. Yeah. Oh,"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "absolutely. 100%. It's not going away."}, {"start": "01:45:52", "end": "01:45:57", "text": ">> So, who are the apostles, the disciples?"}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:46:00", "text": "Who is Pontius Pilate? Who are the"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "Romans in this story?"}, {"start": "01:46:00", "end": "01:46:05", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:07", "text": "right. So, I would say that we all know"}, {"start": "01:46:05", "end": "01:46:09", "text": "who the Romans are, right? Who do you"}, {"start": "01:46:07", "end": "01:46:10", "text": "think they are? Give me"}, {"start": "01:46:09", "end": "01:46:11", "text": ">> I don't know. The"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:13", "text": ">> What's What's Rome?"}, {"start": "01:46:11", "end": "01:46:13", "text": ">> The military-industrial complex. Rome is"}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:14", "text": "the empire."}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:17", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:46:14", "end": "01:46:20", "text": ">> The empire based on old beliefs."}, {"start": "01:46:17", "end": "01:46:22", "text": ">> Yeah. There's still,"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:26", "text": "by the way, in order certain things"}, {"start": "01:46:22", "end": "01:46:29", "text": "stuck uh uh stuck out to me, and this is"}, {"start": "01:46:26", "end": "01:46:32", "text": "in order to answer that question. I"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:34", "text": "noticed that in the rocket launches that"}, {"start": "01:46:32", "end": "01:46:36", "text": "Tyler would do, like he's a mission"}, {"start": "01:46:34", "end": "01:46:39", "text": "controller. That's one of his jobs. Uh"}, {"start": "01:46:36", "end": "01:46:41", "text": "they would use uh on their rockets, they"}, {"start": "01:46:39", "end": "01:46:44", "text": "would put up Roman gods and goddesses"}, {"start": "01:46:41", "end": "01:46:46", "text": "and they would utilize uh first century"}, {"start": "01:46:44", "end": "01:46:48", "text": "Latin. And I was like cuz you know I"}, {"start": "01:46:46", "end": "01:46:52", "text": "would notice that. And so I asked him"}, {"start": "01:46:48", "end": "01:46:53", "text": "once I said why are you utilizing Latin?"}, {"start": "01:46:52", "end": "01:46:54", "text": "He didn't even know it was Latin. He's"}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:54", "text": "like what?"}, {"start": "01:46:54", "end": "01:46:57", "text": ">> He didn't."}, {"start": "01:46:54", "end": "01:47:00", "text": ">> No. He didn't know it. And I said, \"This"}, {"start": "01:46:57", "end": "01:47:04", "text": "is this is not medieval Catholic Latin."}, {"start": "01:47:00", "end": "01:47:07", "text": "This is like first century Latin.\" And"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:08", "text": "and so I wanted to know. Um so that"}, {"start": "01:47:07", "end": "01:47:10", "text": "indicates"}, {"start": "01:47:08", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "that's an answer to your question."}, {"start": "01:47:10", "end": "01:47:12", "text": ">> Well, it is. I mean, if you look at the"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:14", "text": "NRO mission patches."}, {"start": "01:47:12", "end": "01:47:17", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. There you go."}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:20", "text": ">> It's Yeah. It's all Latin and and and"}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:23", "text": "Roman gods and esotericism."}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:30", "text": ">> Uh yeah, it is. So"}, {"start": "01:47:26", "end": "01:47:32", "text": "who are the disciples?"}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:33", "text": ">> I think that I don't know but I think"}, {"start": "01:47:32", "end": "01:47:35", "text": "the disciples would have to be like the"}, {"start": "01:47:33", "end": "01:47:37", "text": "experiencers people like the"}, {"start": "01:47:35", "end": "01:47:39", "text": "experiencers today. That's what makes it"}, {"start": "01:47:37", "end": "01:47:40", "text": "a different religion because a different"}, {"start": "01:47:39", "end": "01:47:42", "text": "form of religion because we have"}, {"start": "01:47:40", "end": "01:47:44", "text": "different architecture now that we live"}, {"start": "01:47:42", "end": "01:47:48", "text": "within. We live within digital"}, {"start": "01:47:44", "end": "01:47:51", "text": "architecture. So a person who sees a you"}, {"start": "01:47:48", "end": "01:47:53", "text": "know UFO or something will video it and"}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:54", "text": "they'll put it they'll upload it onto"}, {"start": "01:47:53", "end": "01:47:57", "text": "Instagram or something like that right"}, {"start": "01:47:54", "end": "01:47:59", "text": "and then you know you have all you have"}, {"start": "01:47:57", "end": "01:48:02", "text": "many disciples you don't just have like"}, {"start": "01:47:59", "end": "01:48:04", "text": "12 you don't just have this many you"}, {"start": "01:48:02", "end": "01:48:07", "text": "have"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:08", "text": "I don't know millions. So it's a"}, {"start": "01:48:07", "end": "01:48:10", "text": "different kind of belief system. It's a"}, {"start": "01:48:08", "end": "01:48:12", "text": "different kind of religion."}, {"start": "01:48:10", "end": "01:48:15", "text": ">> It it is but it might be compatible with"}, {"start": "01:48:12", "end": "01:48:15", "text": "some of the older ones. Oh, there's a"}, {"start": "01:48:15", "end": "01:48:16", "text": "continuity."}, {"start": "01:48:15", "end": "01:48:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:16", "end": "01:48:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:19", "end": "01:48:22", "text": ">> Let's"}, {"start": "01:48:21", "end": "01:48:24", "text": "I I know we don't want to get too"}, {"start": "01:48:22", "end": "01:48:25", "text": "specific about Tyler. I mean, you you"}, {"start": "01:48:24", "end": "01:48:27", "text": "you've basically named him over the"}, {"start": "01:48:25", "end": "01:48:29", "text": "years, but that we're not going to do it"}, {"start": "01:48:27", "end": "01:48:31", "text": "today, but I would like to hear about"}, {"start": "01:48:29", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "what it's like if you're Tyler trying to"}, {"start": "01:48:31", "end": "01:48:34", "text": "go through an airport. How is that"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:35", "text": "different for him than it is for the"}, {"start": "01:48:34", "end": "01:48:39", "text": "rest of us?"}, {"start": "01:48:35", "end": "01:48:41", "text": ">> Yeah. So, he has um"}, {"start": "01:48:39", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "abilities, right? So he's conferred"}, {"start": "01:48:41", "end": "01:48:47", "text": "these abilities and one of them is that"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:49", "text": "he just is able to go through airports"}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:52", "text": "uh because of what he does. I don't I"}, {"start": "01:48:49", "end": "01:48:54", "text": "you know um Okay. I don't know why but"}, {"start": "01:48:52", "end": "01:48:56", "text": "he he does have that ability."}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:48:58", "text": ">> That idea is magical."}, {"start": "01:48:56", "end": "01:49:01", "text": ">> Yeah, it is. It opens doors. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:58", "end": "01:49:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So uh I witnessed this many"}, {"start": "01:49:01", "end": "01:49:08", "text": "times and one of which was when we went"}, {"start": "01:49:05", "end": "01:49:10", "text": "back from Albuquerque. So, we were we"}, {"start": "01:49:08", "end": "01:49:13", "text": "were in New Mexico at the alleged crash"}, {"start": "01:49:10", "end": "01:49:14", "text": "site. Uh, we did the thing we were"}, {"start": "01:49:13", "end": "01:49:16", "text": "supposed to do. We got the stuff and"}, {"start": "01:49:14", "end": "01:49:16", "text": "then he told us what was going to"}, {"start": "01:49:16", "end": "01:49:17", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "01:49:16", "end": "01:49:19", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:49:17", "end": "01:49:21", "text": ">> So, he said,"}, {"start": "01:49:19", "end": "01:49:23", "text": "um, we first off, I did not want the"}, {"start": "01:49:21", "end": "01:49:25", "text": "stuff. I was like, you take it, Gary."}, {"start": "01:49:23", "end": "01:49:26", "text": "He's going to take it anyway, but he's"}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:28", "text": "like, \"Okay.\" So, he says, \"I'm I'll put"}, {"start": "01:49:26", "end": "01:49:30", "text": "it in my backpack and I'll put it, you"}, {"start": "01:49:28", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "know, I'll wrap it up and everything.\""}, {"start": "01:49:30", "end": "01:49:33", "text": "And so Tyler says, \"It's going to be"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:34", "text": "identified.\" and"}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:36", "text": ">> the alien metal"}, {"start": "01:49:34", "end": "01:49:39", "text": ">> is going to be identified and they're"}, {"start": "01:49:36", "end": "01:49:41", "text": "going to take apart your backpack and"}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:42", "text": "they're going to let you go, but you"}, {"start": "01:49:41", "end": "01:49:46", "text": "know, you're just going to have to go"}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:48", "text": "through that and it'll be all right. And"}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:50", "text": "so we were like, you know, Gary and I"}, {"start": "01:49:48", "end": "01:49:52", "text": "were actually talking like when we were"}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:53", "text": "out there, we would kind of confer. I"}, {"start": "01:49:52", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "was like, do you think this is"}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:56", "text": "disinformation,"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:49:58", "text": "Gary, and stuff like that? He's got it"}, {"start": "01:49:56", "end": "01:49:59", "text": "could be. Yeah. And he goes, but you"}, {"start": "01:49:58", "end": "01:50:02", "text": "know, I'll be able to find out, right?"}, {"start": "01:49:59", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "And I'm like, yeah, yeah. Well, okay. So"}, {"start": "01:50:02", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "anyway, so the same thing. We're like,"}, {"start": "01:50:03", "end": "01:50:07", "text": "\"Ah, is this gonna happen? I don't know"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:11", "text": "if it's gonna happen.\" And so we get"}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:13", "text": "back to the airport and he goes to the"}, {"start": "01:50:11", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "other side."}, {"start": "01:50:13", "end": "01:50:17", "text": "He gets a glass of water and he sits"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "down and he's just going to hang out"}, {"start": "01:50:17", "end": "01:50:23", "text": "there and wait. And so Gary and I are"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:26", "text": "both going through uh"}, {"start": "01:50:23", "end": "01:50:28", "text": "Gary gets identified. But it's not just"}, {"start": "01:50:26", "end": "01:50:31", "text": "your normal kind of it's like some kind"}, {"start": "01:50:28", "end": "01:50:36", "text": "of like thing that goes off like like a"}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:38", "text": "alarm. And so they take him to a room"}, {"start": "01:50:36", "end": "01:50:40", "text": "and apparently they do exactly what he"}, {"start": "01:50:38", "end": "01:50:41", "text": "said. They take everything out and ask"}, {"start": "01:50:40", "end": "01:50:43", "text": "him what he's doing, where he's coming"}, {"start": "01:50:41", "end": "01:50:46", "text": "from, what, you know. And so I get"}, {"start": "01:50:43", "end": "01:50:47", "text": "through, I find Tyler, I sit down and"}, {"start": "01:50:46", "end": "01:50:49", "text": "I'm kind of worried about Gary, you"}, {"start": "01:50:47", "end": "01:50:50", "text": "know, I'm like nervous."}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:52", "text": ">> Was Gary nervous?"}, {"start": "01:50:50", "end": "01:50:55", "text": ">> Gary was super nervous. He was super"}, {"start": "01:50:52", "end": "01:50:57", "text": "nervous. So we were I was nervous. Gary"}, {"start": "01:50:55", "end": "01:50:59", "text": "was nervous, but Tyler was not nervous."}, {"start": "01:50:57", "end": "01:51:01", "text": "So Gary gets done and he's like really"}, {"start": "01:50:59", "end": "01:51:03", "text": "shaken up and he sits down and I like"}, {"start": "01:51:01", "end": "01:51:04", "text": "get something to drink. So he gets"}, {"start": "01:51:03", "end": "01:51:06", "text": "something to drink and he he kind of"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:09", "text": "describes the situation"}, {"start": "01:51:06", "end": "01:51:11", "text": "and yeah, so that's that. Anyway, so"}, {"start": "01:51:09", "end": "01:51:14", "text": "yeah, he can get through airports"}, {"start": "01:51:11", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "easily. You once asked um where you were"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:19", "text": "concerned if you were the SCOP"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "there. I mean, the reason that's"}, {"start": "01:51:19", "end": "01:51:23", "text": "interesting to me is Tyler could have"}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:25", "text": "just brought that material through and"}, {"start": "01:51:23", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "nobody would have He doesn't get"}, {"start": "01:51:25", "end": "01:51:28", "text": "searched, you know. He doesn't go"}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:31", "text": "through the the conveyor belt. That's"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:32", "text": "right. He made Gary do it. Why did he do"}, {"start": "01:51:31", "end": "01:51:36", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "01:51:32", "end": "01:51:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, let's see."}, {"start": "01:51:36", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "You think that? I mean, it could be"}, {"start": "01:51:38", "end": "01:51:42", "text": "that. So, absolutely, it could be."}, {"start": "01:51:40", "end": "01:51:43", "text": ">> You didn't see Tyler go through a metal"}, {"start": "01:51:42", "end": "01:51:44", "text": "detector?"}, {"start": "01:51:43", "end": "01:51:46", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:51:44", "end": "01:51:48", "text": ">> He was waiting for you. That's right."}, {"start": "01:51:46", "end": "01:51:50", "text": ">> He goes He goes around the other way."}, {"start": "01:51:48", "end": "01:51:51", "text": ">> So, they wanted He wanted the spectacle."}, {"start": "01:51:50", "end": "01:51:54", "text": ">> Yes. He wanted the spectacle."}, {"start": "01:51:51", "end": "01:51:57", "text": ">> Of course. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. any"}, {"start": "01:51:54", "end": "01:52:00", "text": "idea why the purpose of the spectacle?"}, {"start": "01:51:57", "end": "01:52:04", "text": ">> Well, I I mean it could possibly be that"}, {"start": "01:52:00", "end": "01:52:06", "text": "obviously he wants to uh raise you know"}, {"start": "01:52:04", "end": "01:52:08", "text": "he's interested in having people because"}, {"start": "01:52:06", "end": "01:52:10", "text": "many times I asked him why are you know"}, {"start": "01:52:08", "end": "01:52:12", "text": "you know that I'm writing a book about"}, {"start": "01:52:10", "end": "01:52:15", "text": "this. I mean, so many times I said that"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:18", "text": "both to him and Gary and they were like,"}, {"start": "01:52:15", "end": "01:52:21", "text": "\"Yeah, you know, Gary's okay with it.\""}, {"start": "01:52:18", "end": "01:52:23", "text": "And he was okay with it, too. And so I"}, {"start": "01:52:21", "end": "01:52:25", "text": "was like, \"Okay, you know, they're okay"}, {"start": "01:52:23", "end": "01:52:27", "text": "with it.\" And honestly, I thought maybe"}, {"start": "01:52:25", "end": "01:52:29", "text": "10 people would read the book. I didn't"}, {"start": "01:52:27", "end": "01:52:31", "text": "think it was going to correspond with"}, {"start": "01:52:29", "end": "01:52:36", "text": "this, but um correspond with what the"}, {"start": "01:52:31", "end": "01:52:39", "text": "government's doing right now. And so um"}, {"start": "01:52:36", "end": "01:52:41", "text": "you know I well that's the thing AJ is I"}, {"start": "01:52:39", "end": "01:52:45", "text": "wrote the book with recognizing that"}, {"start": "01:52:41", "end": "01:52:46", "text": "it's that possibly this is and I write"}, {"start": "01:52:45", "end": "01:52:50", "text": "it in the book and I say look this is"}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:52", "text": "possibly misinfo in the first paragraph"}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:55", "text": "I say whatever you read about this is"}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:58", "text": "not what it is like the first paragraph"}, {"start": "01:52:55", "end": "01:53:02", "text": "I say what you're going to be subjected"}, {"start": "01:52:58", "end": "01:53:04", "text": "to in media is not truly what this"}, {"start": "01:53:02", "end": "01:53:05", "text": "phenomena is is about cuz there's so"}, {"start": "01:53:04", "end": "01:53:07", "text": "much misinformation."}, {"start": "01:53:05", "end": "01:53:09", "text": ">> I want to ask you about that first is"}, {"start": "01:53:07", "end": "01:53:11", "text": "the spectacle of so he goes through the"}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:13", "text": "metal detector. We've all done that."}, {"start": "01:53:11", "end": "01:53:16", "text": "We've all been stopped. We've all had"}, {"start": "01:53:13", "end": "01:53:18", "text": "our bags looked through. But you said an"}, {"start": "01:53:16", "end": "01:53:19", "text": "alarm went off that that was unusual."}, {"start": "01:53:18", "end": "01:53:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:53:19", "end": "01:53:24", "text": ">> That spectacle to me is"}, {"start": "01:53:22", "end": "01:53:25", "text": "I want to It's suspicious."}, {"start": "01:53:24", "end": "01:53:28", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "01:53:25", "end": "01:53:29", "text": ">> It's it's almost like Tyler saying, \"I'm"}, {"start": "01:53:28", "end": "01:53:31", "text": "going to prove to you that this is"}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:32", "text": "weird. You're going to the metal's going"}, {"start": "01:53:31", "end": "01:53:33", "text": "to go off. You know it's real metal."}, {"start": "01:53:32", "end": "01:53:34", "text": "You're going to hear an alarm you never"}, {"start": "01:53:33", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "heard before. That's right. You're going"}, {"start": "01:53:34", "end": "01:53:39", "text": "to be taken to a room you never did that"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:41", "text": "before. And through all of that, it's"}, {"start": "01:53:39", "end": "01:53:42", "text": "going to be fine. That's I mean that's"}, {"start": "01:53:41", "end": "01:53:43", "text": "really selling it."}, {"start": "01:53:42", "end": "01:53:45", "text": ">> Yeah. But you have to understand that"}, {"start": "01:53:43", "end": "01:53:46", "text": "that's what he told me he wanted to do."}, {"start": "01:53:45", "end": "01:53:48", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "01:53:46", "end": "01:53:49", "text": ">> Was he wanted to convince me that it was"}, {"start": "01:53:48", "end": "01:53:50", "text": "real."}, {"start": "01:53:49", "end": "01:53:51", "text": ">> Well, that won't convince me that it's"}, {"start": "01:53:50", "end": "01:53:52", "text": "real."}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:54", "text": ">> No, but it convinces you that. But"}, {"start": "01:53:52", "end": "01:53:56", "text": "Tyler's real, though."}, {"start": "01:53:54", "end": "01:53:58", "text": ">> I was already convinced of that. But"}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:53:59", "text": "yeah, you're right. I mean, it's going"}, {"start": "01:53:58", "end": "01:54:00", "text": "to convince the people who read the"}, {"start": "01:53:59", "end": "01:54:00", "text": "book."}, {"start": "01:54:00", "end": "01:54:02", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:54:00", "end": "01:54:04", "text": ">> Yeah. But he is real."}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:06", "text": ">> He is real."}, {"start": "01:54:04", "end": "01:54:08", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:54:06", "end": "01:54:09", "text": "Alard, I mean, I know you hate to name"}, {"start": "01:54:08", "end": "01:54:11", "text": "names, so I don't want to put you on the"}, {"start": "01:54:09", "end": "01:54:14", "text": "spot, but but you have written that"}, {"start": "01:54:11", "end": "01:54:15", "text": "there is an active disinformation"}, {"start": "01:54:14", "end": "01:54:16", "text": "campaign."}, {"start": "01:54:15", "end": "01:54:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:54:16", "end": "01:54:18", "text": ">> Where do you stand on like Richard"}, {"start": "01:54:17", "end": "01:54:22", "text": "Dodie?"}, {"start": "01:54:18", "end": "01:54:24", "text": ">> Well, he's he's transparent about being"}, {"start": "01:54:22", "end": "01:54:26", "text": "an active disinformation campaign."}, {"start": "01:54:24", "end": "01:54:27", "text": ">> No, hold on. Let me let me let me push"}, {"start": "01:54:26", "end": "01:54:30", "text": "back on that. Okay. He's he's"}, {"start": "01:54:27", "end": "01:54:31", "text": "transparent that he was active and now"}, {"start": "01:54:30", "end": "01:54:34", "text": "he's since come around and said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "01:54:31", "end": "01:54:37", "text": "most of what I told Benitz was true."}, {"start": "01:54:34", "end": "01:54:40", "text": "I was just like he he's he's been"}, {"start": "01:54:37", "end": "01:54:40", "text": "muddying the waters now for 50 60 50"}, {"start": "01:54:40", "end": "01:54:41", "text": "years.\""}, {"start": "01:54:40", "end": "01:54:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:54:41", "end": "01:54:44", "text": ">> Where now he's saying most of it was"}, {"start": "01:54:43", "end": "01:54:46", "text": "true and"}, {"start": "01:54:44", "end": "01:54:46", "text": ">> I don't know if we can believe what he"}, {"start": "01:54:46", "end": "01:54:48", "text": "says though."}, {"start": "01:54:46", "end": "01:54:50", "text": ">> That's what I mean is who do we who do"}, {"start": "01:54:48", "end": "01:54:52", "text": "we believe? So do we have any modern"}, {"start": "01:54:50", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "doies coming out of I mean we have a lot"}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:55", "text": "of air force intelligence guys at"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:54:57", "text": "Congress now."}, {"start": "01:54:55", "end": "01:55:00", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I think we need to be really"}, {"start": "01:54:57", "end": "01:55:01", "text": "So, okay, listen"}, {"start": "01:55:00", "end": "01:55:03", "text": "people,"}, {"start": "01:55:01", "end": "01:55:03", "text": ">> you're Are you addressing the folks now?"}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:08", "text": ">> Okay, go for it."}, {"start": "01:55:04", "end": "01:55:09", "text": ">> I listen. Okay, I've been super clear uh"}, {"start": "01:55:08", "end": "01:55:10", "text": "in my books."}, {"start": "01:55:09", "end": "01:55:12", "text": ">> You have"}, {"start": "01:55:10", "end": "01:55:14", "text": ">> that"}, {"start": "01:55:12", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "disinformation"}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "like so is Jacques by the way, right?"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:17", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:18", "text": ">> Since the 70s."}, {"start": "01:55:17", "end": "01:55:21", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:55:18", "end": "01:55:23", "text": ">> Uh he even calls like one of his books"}, {"start": "01:55:21", "end": "01:55:28", "text": "messengers of deception, right? So,"}, {"start": "01:55:23", "end": "01:55:31", "text": "okay. So the thing about the problem"}, {"start": "01:55:28", "end": "01:55:34", "text": "with a governmentbacked disclosure"}, {"start": "01:55:31", "end": "01:55:37", "text": "is that"}, {"start": "01:55:34", "end": "01:55:40", "text": "the problem with it is that first and"}, {"start": "01:55:37", "end": "01:55:44", "text": "foremost is that you'll get so my work"}, {"start": "01:55:40", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "is I would say is parallel to that"}, {"start": "01:55:44", "end": "01:55:49", "text": "development. It was totally autonomous,"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:55", "text": "organically motivated, right? Based on"}, {"start": "01:55:49", "end": "01:55:56", "text": "what I saw. And then once I got once I"}, {"start": "01:55:55", "end": "01:55:59", "text": "recognized"}, {"start": "01:55:56", "end": "01:56:02", "text": "that, and this was after 2017, the"}, {"start": "01:55:59", "end": "01:56:05", "text": "Leslie Kaine, Ralph Blumenthal, and"}, {"start": "01:56:02", "end": "01:56:08", "text": "Helen Cooper uh"}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:11", "text": ">> once and and I got phone calls from"}, {"start": "01:56:08", "end": "01:56:14", "text": "people. My book was not even published"}, {"start": "01:56:11", "end": "01:56:17", "text": "yet, but a group of people associated"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:20", "text": "with uh"}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:23", "text": "this disclosure effort"}, {"start": "01:56:20", "end": "01:56:25", "text": "really wanted me to to give them the"}, {"start": "01:56:23", "end": "01:56:27", "text": "names of the two scientists in the the"}, {"start": "01:56:25", "end": "01:56:30", "text": "book that hasn't been published yet. I"}, {"start": "01:56:27", "end": "01:56:32", "text": "was like, I can't do that. I got this"}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:35", "text": "was something that happened continuously"}, {"start": "01:56:32", "end": "01:56:36", "text": "for like three or four weeks."}, {"start": "01:56:35", "end": "01:56:37", "text": ">> Which book was this?"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:38", "text": ">> American Cosmic."}, {"start": "01:56:37", "end": "01:56:39", "text": ">> Oh, okay. It was before it was"}, {"start": "01:56:38", "end": "01:56:40", "text": "published."}, {"start": "01:56:39", "end": "01:56:42", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:56:40", "end": "01:56:42", "text": ">> And no, I'm not going to do that. Okay."}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:44", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:45", "text": ">> how did they know about that?"}, {"start": "01:56:44", "end": "01:56:47", "text": ">> No, that's what I'm saying. Like, I"}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:51", "text": "started to get this idea that's this is"}, {"start": "01:56:47", "end": "01:56:55", "text": "all coming down. And so, um,"}, {"start": "01:56:51", "end": "01:56:58", "text": "all right. So, in each of my books, I"}, {"start": "01:56:55", "end": "01:57:02", "text": "basically say, be careful. Look what's"}, {"start": "01:56:58", "end": "01:57:05", "text": "happening. But then my work gets uh"}, {"start": "01:57:02", "end": "01:57:08", "text": "appropriated not just by the disclosure"}, {"start": "01:57:05", "end": "01:57:10", "text": "advocates because I'm not I'm not really"}, {"start": "01:57:08", "end": "01:57:13", "text": "a disclosure advocate. Um I believe this"}, {"start": "01:57:10", "end": "01:57:15", "text": "is real and it's happening but the way"}, {"start": "01:57:13", "end": "01:57:17", "text": "it's happening with the government"}, {"start": "01:57:15", "end": "01:57:20", "text": "that's not my story. Okay. And I'm"}, {"start": "01:57:17", "end": "01:57:22", "text": "telling people be careful. But people"}, {"start": "01:57:20", "end": "01:57:25", "text": "don't read the book. they they see me on"}, {"start": "01:57:22", "end": "01:57:26", "text": "a podcast and then it gets edited"}, {"start": "01:57:25", "end": "01:57:29", "text": "certain ways and people are like, \"Oh my"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "goodness, you know, she's a disclosure"}, {"start": "01:57:29", "end": "01:57:34", "text": "advocate.\" And I've also made it pretty"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "clear to the disclosure advocates, many"}, {"start": "01:57:34", "end": "01:57:40", "text": "of whom I know and I'm friendly with um"}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:42", "text": "that I'm not going to do that. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:57:40", "end": "01:57:44", "text": "going to be a part of that press"}, {"start": "01:57:42", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "conference. I'm not going to be a"}, {"start": "01:57:44", "end": "01:57:49", "text": "congressional person. I'm not going to"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:51", "text": "do any of that stuff. Right? Um,"}, {"start": "01:57:49", "end": "01:57:56", "text": "so, so that's what I'm trying to say"}, {"start": "01:57:51", "end": "01:58:00", "text": "here is that this is good. This is a"}, {"start": "01:57:56", "end": "01:58:03", "text": "good time to be able to identify a"}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:05", "text": "narrative before it becomes"}, {"start": "01:58:03", "end": "01:58:07", "text": "authoritative."}, {"start": "01:58:05", "end": "01:58:12", "text": "That's my position. Just exactly what"}, {"start": "01:58:07", "end": "01:58:13", "text": "Carl Young said. But this time, we have"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:16", "text": "the millennial generation. We have our"}, {"start": "01:58:13", "end": "01:58:16", "text": "generation who's already suspicious."}, {"start": "01:58:16", "end": "01:58:18", "text": "Mhm."}, {"start": "01:58:16", "end": "01:58:21", "text": ">> We have the millennial generation and"}, {"start": "01:58:18", "end": "01:58:23", "text": "then we have my kids generation, right?"}, {"start": "01:58:21", "end": "01:58:24", "text": "They don't even pay attention to it."}, {"start": "01:58:23", "end": "01:58:27", "text": "They're like, \"Yeah, whatever. Aliens"}, {"start": "01:58:24", "end": "01:58:29", "text": "exist.\" You know, okay. You know, tell"}, {"start": "01:58:27", "end": "01:58:31", "text": "me something new, right?"}, {"start": "01:58:29", "end": "01:58:33", "text": ">> Okay. So, they're not buying it. So, the"}, {"start": "01:58:31", "end": "01:58:35", "text": "people who are buying it, they"}, {"start": "01:58:33", "end": "01:58:38", "text": "shouldn't,"}, {"start": "01:58:35", "end": "01:58:40", "text": ">> right? But they're going to, but not I"}, {"start": "01:58:38", "end": "01:58:43", "text": "don't think the majority of people are"}, {"start": "01:58:40", "end": "01:58:47", "text": "going to buy it. And so yeah, it's real,"}, {"start": "01:58:43", "end": "01:58:49", "text": "but it's not what what is it's it's just"}, {"start": "01:58:47", "end": "01:58:51", "text": "like Christianity, right? So"}, {"start": "01:58:49", "end": "01:58:55", "text": "Christianity is really vibrant and"}, {"start": "01:58:51", "end": "01:58:57", "text": "amazing in its incipient form and then"}, {"start": "01:58:55", "end": "01:59:01", "text": "it becomes institutionalized and"}, {"start": "01:58:57", "end": "01:59:03", "text": "changes. Okay, there's the there's a"}, {"start": "01:59:01", "end": "01:59:05", "text": "core that you could get to, but boy do"}, {"start": "01:59:03", "end": "01:59:06", "text": "you have to study to get to it and boy"}, {"start": "01:59:05", "end": "01:59:09", "text": "do you have to unlearn a lot of stuff in"}, {"start": "01:59:06", "end": "01:59:11", "text": "order to get to it. but it's still there"}, {"start": "01:59:09", "end": "01:59:14", "text": "and it's still in some of the"}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "institutional forms of it but is buried"}, {"start": "01:59:14", "end": "01:59:18", "text": "in there. I think the same thing is"}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:20", "text": "happening with the with the UFO uh"}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:23", "text": "narrative that's being spun right now"}, {"start": "01:59:20", "end": "01:59:24", "text": "because why is it all military stuff"}, {"start": "01:59:23", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "really?"}, {"start": "01:59:24", "end": "01:59:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:30", "text": "So that was what my second book was"}, {"start": "01:59:28", "end": "01:59:33", "text": "about and that's why uh in my second"}, {"start": "01:59:30", "end": "01:59:35", "text": "book I I went back and talked a lot"}, {"start": "01:59:33", "end": "01:59:36", "text": "about indigenous ideas of you know"}, {"start": "01:59:35", "end": "01:59:38", "text": "basically I went back to the"}, {"start": "01:59:36", "end": "01:59:42", "text": "experiencers and I said what do they"}, {"start": "01:59:38", "end": "01:59:44", "text": "have to say right and then what does"}, {"start": "01:59:42", "end": "01:59:45", "text": "history have to say and then I went back"}, {"start": "01:59:44", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "to Plato's allegory of the cave"}, {"start": "01:59:45", "end": "01:59:50", "text": "simulation hypothesis and I was like"}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:51", "text": "okay it really looks like this is that"}, {"start": "01:59:50", "end": "01:59:53", "text": "and that's what we have to be careful"}, {"start": "01:59:51", "end": "01:59:55", "text": "for."}, {"start": "01:59:53", "end": "01:59:57", "text": "Why does simulation hypothesis play into"}, {"start": "01:59:55", "end": "02:00:00", "text": "your warning?"}, {"start": "01:59:57", "end": "02:00:04", "text": ">> Because um"}, {"start": "02:00:00", "end": "02:00:07", "text": "see the whole so the coming into contact"}, {"start": "02:00:04", "end": "02:00:10", "text": "with a very powerful group of people"}, {"start": "02:00:07", "end": "02:00:14", "text": "that are"}, {"start": "02:00:10", "end": "02:00:17", "text": "of which this new belief system is being"}, {"start": "02:00:14", "end": "02:00:21", "text": "um advocated who are advocating for this"}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:24", "text": "belief system. When I say very powerful,"}, {"start": "02:00:21", "end": "02:00:26", "text": "I'm talking very powerful. So all of the"}, {"start": "02:00:24", "end": "02:00:28", "text": "when I say we're living in a new"}, {"start": "02:00:26", "end": "02:00:31", "text": "environment and architecture of digital"}, {"start": "02:00:28", "end": "02:00:32", "text": "technology that my kids just take for"}, {"start": "02:00:31", "end": "02:00:35", "text": "granted because they've been born into"}, {"start": "02:00:32", "end": "02:00:36", "text": "it. You and I know the difference. Okay?"}, {"start": "02:00:35", "end": "02:00:37", "text": "And even millennials know the"}, {"start": "02:00:36", "end": "02:00:41", "text": "difference. Okay?"}, {"start": "02:00:37", "end": "02:00:44", "text": ">> So that architecture now is propaganda"}, {"start": "02:00:41", "end": "02:00:46", "text": "everywhere everywhere. whether we want"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:49", "text": "and by the way American cosmic was a lot"}, {"start": "02:00:46", "end": "02:00:52", "text": "about propaganda and how we are in"}, {"start": "02:00:49", "end": "02:00:56", "text": "inundated by this and whether we like it"}, {"start": "02:00:52", "end": "02:00:57", "text": "or not it's going to influence us. So"}, {"start": "02:00:56", "end": "02:00:59", "text": "that's exactly what the allegory of the"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:01:02", "text": "cave is about Plato's allegory of the"}, {"start": "02:00:59", "end": "02:01:04", "text": "cave. So when I after American Cosmic"}, {"start": "02:01:02", "end": "02:01:06", "text": "was published, uh there were other"}, {"start": "02:01:04", "end": "02:01:12", "text": "people who showed up who were just as"}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "like insider as Tyler, uh but worked for"}, {"start": "02:01:12", "end": "02:01:17", "text": "a different they were different and they"}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:22", "text": "were, you know, they kind of gave me an"}, {"start": "02:01:17", "end": "02:01:25", "text": "insight into the extent of this control"}, {"start": "02:01:22", "end": "02:01:25", "text": "and that was really depressing. I was so"}, {"start": "02:01:25", "end": "02:01:28", "text": "depressed."}, {"start": "02:01:25", "end": "02:01:31", "text": ">> Why? Why is that depressing? I You were"}, {"start": "02:01:28", "end": "02:01:34", "text": "surprised. Well, I'd always known about"}, {"start": "02:01:31", "end": "02:01:36", "text": "it on an abstract level that we were,"}, {"start": "02:01:34", "end": "02:01:38", "text": "you know, we were that propaganda kind"}, {"start": "02:01:36", "end": "02:01:40", "text": "of, you know, taught us about the food"}, {"start": "02:01:38", "end": "02:01:42", "text": "groups and, you know, everything pretty"}, {"start": "02:01:40", "end": "02:01:44", "text": "much, you know, that was propaganda and"}, {"start": "02:01:42", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "we could get out of it by thinking about"}, {"start": "02:01:44", "end": "02:01:46", "text": "it, right? We can just use our critical"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:49", "text": "faculties."}, {"start": "02:01:46", "end": "02:01:51", "text": ">> No, not anymore. Our critical faculties"}, {"start": "02:01:49", "end": "02:01:53", "text": "are even being formed now."}, {"start": "02:01:51", "end": "02:01:55", "text": ">> They are, you know, seriously. And so"}, {"start": "02:01:53", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "just thinking is not a form of"}, {"start": "02:01:55", "end": "02:02:00", "text": "resistance anymore. you have got to. So"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:03", "text": "that's when I became very because it"}, {"start": "02:02:00", "end": "02:02:05", "text": "used to be my last kind of hold out. I"}, {"start": "02:02:03", "end": "02:02:07", "text": "could teach critical thinking to my"}, {"start": "02:02:05", "end": "02:02:10", "text": "kids, to my students, and that will help"}, {"start": "02:02:07", "end": "02:02:12", "text": "them in this maze of disinformation that"}, {"start": "02:02:10", "end": "02:02:15", "text": "they're going to live in. No, that's not"}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "going to be the superpower anymore."}, {"start": "02:02:15", "end": "02:02:19", "text": ">> Let me um let's use one of your"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:20", "text": "anecdotes to help people understand this"}, {"start": "02:02:19", "end": "02:02:23", "text": "more because we talked about the"}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:26", "text": "allegory of the cave and my audience"}, {"start": "02:02:23", "end": "02:02:27", "text": "knows what that is. I think you tend to"}, {"start": "02:02:26", "end": "02:02:29", "text": "believe that the public is generally"}, {"start": "02:02:27", "end": "02:02:30", "text": "still in the cave, right? This is this"}, {"start": "02:02:29", "end": "02:02:31", "text": "is the reality we we're seeing are"}, {"start": "02:02:30", "end": "02:02:33", "text": "shadows on the wall."}, {"start": "02:02:31", "end": "02:02:36", "text": ">> I'm Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, we could use"}, {"start": "02:02:33", "end": "02:02:38", "text": "an anecdote, but I want to say that I"}, {"start": "02:02:36", "end": "02:02:42", "text": "think that"}, {"start": "02:02:38", "end": "02:02:44", "text": "um I have hope now because Disclosure"}, {"start": "02:02:42", "end": "02:02:45", "text": "Day came out"}, {"start": "02:02:44", "end": "02:02:48", "text": ">> and nobody bought it."}, {"start": "02:02:45", "end": "02:02:50", "text": ">> Nobody bought it. And that gives me hope"}, {"start": "02:02:48", "end": "02:02:54", "text": "that oh and also the you the books that"}, {"start": "02:02:50", "end": "02:02:58", "text": "are being sold uh the UFO books in that"}, {"start": "02:02:54", "end": "02:03:01", "text": "category uh William Cooper's uh Behold a"}, {"start": "02:02:58", "end": "02:03:04", "text": "Pale Horse is one of the top ones and"}, {"start": "02:03:01", "end": "02:03:07", "text": "I'm thinking you know cuz that's"}, {"start": "02:03:04", "end": "02:03:09", "text": ">> you know that is basically"}, {"start": "02:03:07", "end": "02:03:11", "text": ">> showing you everything you know even if"}, {"start": "02:03:09", "end": "02:03:14", "text": "he gets some things wrong like you know"}, {"start": "02:03:11", "end": "02:03:15", "text": "facts and stuff. Yeah. the spirit of it"}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:18", "text": "is right."}, {"start": "02:03:15", "end": "02:03:21", "text": ">> And so that to me is hope when I see"}, {"start": "02:03:18", "end": "02:03:23", "text": "that people are actually they're not"}, {"start": "02:03:21", "end": "02:03:24", "text": "buying the government sponsored books."}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:26", "text": ">> No, they're not."}, {"start": "02:03:24", "end": "02:03:28", "text": ">> And they're going for the stuff that's"}, {"start": "02:03:26", "end": "02:03:31", "text": "old but good, right? Like the Bill"}, {"start": "02:03:28", "end": "02:03:34", "text": "Cooper thing. Now, if the if viewers go"}, {"start": "02:03:31", "end": "02:03:37", "text": "out and read that, be careful because"}, {"start": "02:03:34", "end": "02:03:39", "text": "there are things that are not entirely"}, {"start": "02:03:37", "end": "02:03:40", "text": "factually correct, but the spirit of it"}, {"start": "02:03:39", "end": "02:03:42", "text": "is is right."}, {"start": "02:03:40", "end": "02:03:43", "text": ">> It is. And a lot of his predictions came"}, {"start": "02:03:42", "end": "02:03:43", "text": "true and"}, {"start": "02:03:43", "end": "02:03:44", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "02:03:43", "end": "02:03:46", "text": ">> he said he was going to be killed by the"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:47", "text": "government and he kind of was."}, {"start": "02:03:46", "end": "02:03:48", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:03:47", "end": "02:03:50", "text": ">> kind of was. Um,"}, {"start": "02:03:48", "end": "02:03:52", "text": ">> but you wanted to go to an anecdote."}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:03:54", "text": ">> I did. And it may not It's your anecdote"}, {"start": "02:03:52", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "may not be related to the cave, but it's"}, {"start": "02:03:54", "end": "02:03:58", "text": "related to um"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "being manipulated by propaganda but not"}, {"start": "02:03:58", "end": "02:04:03", "text": "even really being aware of it. Is a"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:05", "text": "story you told about"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:08", "text": "talking to parents, maybe it was talking"}, {"start": "02:04:05", "end": "02:04:09", "text": "to the sisters, kids on their phones who"}, {"start": "02:04:08", "end": "02:04:11", "text": "were kind of bullying each other on"}, {"start": "02:04:09", "end": "02:04:12", "text": "their phones. Yes. Remember that story?"}, {"start": "02:04:11", "end": "02:04:13", "text": ">> Yeah. It's really sad."}, {"start": "02:04:12", "end": "02:04:17", "text": ">> Please tell it."}, {"start": "02:04:13", "end": "02:04:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. So, um I'm at a conference"}, {"start": "02:04:17", "end": "02:04:22", "text": "and it's a conference for Catholic"}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:24", "text": "teachers and Catholic people, parents"}, {"start": "02:04:22", "end": "02:04:28", "text": "and so forth. It's at a high school and"}, {"start": "02:04:24", "end": "02:04:31", "text": "but a monastery. So, okay. So, I'm there"}, {"start": "02:04:28", "end": "02:04:34", "text": "and uh all of us professors and so"}, {"start": "02:04:31", "end": "02:04:38", "text": "forth, we give our, you know, talks and"}, {"start": "02:04:34", "end": "02:04:41", "text": "so forth. And so I gave a rundown of of"}, {"start": "02:04:38", "end": "02:04:47", "text": "the uh developmental stages of the"}, {"start": "02:04:41", "end": "02:04:49", "text": "brains of kids and when if they receive"}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:51", "text": "social media via their phones at certain"}, {"start": "02:04:49", "end": "02:04:56", "text": "stages what this does to their brains."}, {"start": "02:04:51", "end": "02:05:01", "text": "Okay. And so afterwards um I there was a"}, {"start": "02:04:56", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "break and uh some teachers came up to me"}, {"start": "02:05:01", "end": "02:05:07", "text": "and they were very unhappy. They were"}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:08", "text": "like shell shocked. And so one of them"}, {"start": "02:05:07", "end": "02:05:10", "text": "said, \"I really need to talk with you.\""}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:13", "text": "And I was like, \"Okay.\" You know, so a"}, {"start": "02:05:10", "end": "02:05:16", "text": "bunch of teachers kind of surrounded me."}, {"start": "02:05:13", "end": "02:05:18", "text": "And they said, \"Uh, we uh we need some"}, {"start": "02:05:16", "end": "02:05:20", "text": "help. Like we need like uh you know,"}, {"start": "02:05:18", "end": "02:05:21", "text": "this is a a conference where a lot of"}, {"start": "02:05:20", "end": "02:05:23", "text": "the talks were actually really"}, {"start": "02:05:21", "end": "02:05:27", "text": "intellectual and stuff. That wasn't"}, {"start": "02:05:23", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "helpful. That wasn't helpful. And so I"}, {"start": "02:05:27", "end": "02:05:32", "text": "kind of broke with that and talked to"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:33", "text": "the teachers and they could they wanted"}, {"start": "02:05:32", "end": "02:05:36", "text": "me to help them. They wanted me to"}, {"start": "02:05:33", "end": "02:05:39", "text": "intervene and they said we can't do"}, {"start": "02:05:36", "end": "02:05:41", "text": "anything because we have students who"}, {"start": "02:05:39", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "are we have a lot of suicidal students"}, {"start": "02:05:41", "end": "02:05:46", "text": "because they're being bullied on social"}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:48", "text": "media and we try to tell their parents"}, {"start": "02:05:46", "end": "02:05:50", "text": "the parents of the kids who are the"}, {"start": "02:05:48", "end": "02:05:51", "text": "bullies and the parents are on social"}, {"start": "02:05:50", "end": "02:05:52", "text": "media too so they don't even see the"}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:05:54", "text": "problem."}, {"start": "02:05:52", "end": "02:05:55", "text": ">> Well, you said take away their phones."}, {"start": "02:05:54", "end": "02:05:56", "text": "That's right. and they said, \"We can't"}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:05:57", "text": "do that.\""}, {"start": "02:05:56", "end": "02:06:00", "text": ">> Yeah. They can't take away their phones."}, {"start": "02:05:57", "end": "02:06:02", "text": "So, a lot of schools uh will have they"}, {"start": "02:06:00", "end": "02:06:04", "text": "don't have the policy where, you know,"}, {"start": "02:06:02", "end": "02:06:05", "text": "the kids have their phones in the"}, {"start": "02:06:04", "end": "02:06:05", "text": "classroom."}, {"start": "02:06:05", "end": "02:06:07", "text": ">> No good."}, {"start": "02:06:05", "end": "02:06:09", "text": ">> I think that's terrible. I just can't"}, {"start": "02:06:07", "end": "02:06:11", "text": "understand why you would do that. Um"}, {"start": "02:06:09", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "they're they have their phones 24/7"}, {"start": "02:06:11", "end": "02:06:15", "text": "then, right? Because their parents can't"}, {"start": "02:06:13", "end": "02:06:18", "text": "push back because generally they're just"}, {"start": "02:06:15", "end": "02:06:19", "text": "trying to make ends meet, you know? So,"}, {"start": "02:06:18", "end": "02:06:21", "text": "there's no it's not like I'm blaming"}, {"start": "02:06:19", "end": "02:06:23", "text": "anybody, but we definitely need"}, {"start": "02:06:21", "end": "02:06:26", "text": "regulation in schools, you know. So"}, {"start": "02:06:23", "end": "02:06:29", "text": "yeah, so that was really a sad"}, {"start": "02:06:26", "end": "02:06:32", "text": "uh that was really sad to see. And I you"}, {"start": "02:06:29", "end": "02:06:34", "text": "know I don't allow technology in my"}, {"start": "02:06:32", "end": "02:06:37", "text": "classroom unless a person needs it for"}, {"start": "02:06:34", "end": "02:06:38", "text": "whatever ability they have. Um and the"}, {"start": "02:06:37", "end": "02:06:40", "text": "students a lot of the students have"}, {"start": "02:06:38", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "issues with that. Like it's really hard"}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:45", "text": "for them just to go the 50 minutes or"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "the hour and 15 minutes just that time"}, {"start": "02:06:45", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "to kind of like it's hard for them to"}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:49", "text": "concentrate."}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:51", "text": ">> No, they can't do it. I mean the the"}, {"start": "02:06:49", "end": "02:06:55", "text": "dopamine turns off so it's like a a"}, {"start": "02:06:51", "end": "02:06:56", "text": "withdrawal. So you it was like uh you"}, {"start": "02:06:55", "end": "02:06:59", "text": "said well what do the parents have to"}, {"start": "02:06:56", "end": "02:07:00", "text": "say about it and the par and they said"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:00", "text": "we talked to the parents they don't"}, {"start": "02:07:00", "end": "02:07:03", "text": "understand"}, {"start": "02:07:00", "end": "02:07:05", "text": ">> they do not understand cuz they're with"}, {"start": "02:07:03", "end": "02:07:07", "text": "they're within the same cave"}, {"start": "02:07:05", "end": "02:07:08", "text": ">> right the millennial parents are in the"}, {"start": "02:07:07", "end": "02:07:10", "text": "same cave"}, {"start": "02:07:08", "end": "02:07:12", "text": ">> yeah they can't get out of it they can't"}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:14", "text": "even help their kids get out of it"}, {"start": "02:07:12", "end": "02:07:16", "text": ">> that so that's kind of what I felt by"}, {"start": "02:07:14", "end": "02:07:18", "text": "propaganda is like you if you're if"}, {"start": "02:07:16", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "you're not really studying and looking"}, {"start": "02:07:18", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "beyond the the the mainstream narrative"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:25", "text": "You c you might be someone to say, I"}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:27", "text": "can't be fooled by propaganda. It's like"}, {"start": "02:07:25", "end": "02:07:27", "text": "you don't know if you are or not."}, {"start": "02:07:27", "end": "02:07:28", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "02:07:27", "end": "02:07:30", "text": ">> Because you're in the cave."}, {"start": "02:07:28", "end": "02:07:32", "text": ">> Yeah, that's right. That's exactly"}, {"start": "02:07:30", "end": "02:07:35", "text": "right. And the way the what I showed in"}, {"start": "02:07:32", "end": "02:07:37", "text": "American Cosmic and some of my um papers"}, {"start": "02:07:35", "end": "02:07:40", "text": "are on academia, they're just the"}, {"start": "02:07:37", "end": "02:07:42", "text": "straight research that shows this. And"}, {"start": "02:07:40", "end": "02:07:44", "text": "it's that when we are subject to this"}, {"start": "02:07:42", "end": "02:07:46", "text": "stuff, it goes into our brain. It"}, {"start": "02:07:44", "end": "02:07:48", "text": "bypasses our critical faculty of"}, {"start": "02:07:46", "end": "02:07:50", "text": "discerning whether it's real or not. We"}, {"start": "02:07:48", "end": "02:07:52", "text": "can't even tell anymore, by the way. And"}, {"start": "02:07:50", "end": "02:07:55", "text": "so it goes into parts of our brain that"}, {"start": "02:07:52", "end": "02:07:57", "text": "then we believe it's real. So we our"}, {"start": "02:07:55", "end": "02:08:01", "text": "bodies act as if it's real for all"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:08:04", "text": "intent and purposes. It's real to us."}, {"start": "02:08:01", "end": "02:08:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:08:04", "end": "02:08:09", "text": "I have I have faith in the in the in in"}, {"start": "02:08:07", "end": "02:08:10", "text": "Gen Z. I'm a Gen Z fan."}, {"start": "02:08:09", "end": "02:08:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:14", "text": ">> Millennials, not so much. Uh so I think"}, {"start": "02:08:12", "end": "02:08:15", "text": "it's turning around because you're"}, {"start": "02:08:14", "end": "02:08:16", "text": "seeing a lot more people going back to"}, {"start": "02:08:15", "end": "02:08:18", "text": "religion."}, {"start": "02:08:16", "end": "02:08:19", "text": ">> Oh, for sure. Gen Z. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:20", "text": ">> Yeah. And you're seeing younger parents"}, {"start": "02:08:19", "end": "02:08:22", "text": "now saying, \"I'm not letting my kids"}, {"start": "02:08:20", "end": "02:08:23", "text": "have a phone in school.\""}, {"start": "02:08:22", "end": "02:08:25", "text": ">> That's right. That's right."}, {"start": "02:08:23", "end": "02:08:26", "text": ">> Didn't you have um How about the chess"}, {"start": "02:08:25", "end": "02:08:28", "text": "club story is interesting. That's"}, {"start": "02:08:26", "end": "02:08:31", "text": "pertinent here."}, {"start": "02:08:28", "end": "02:08:33", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. So, the young uh student who"}, {"start": "02:08:31", "end": "02:08:36", "text": "came about the chess Yeah. Okay. This is"}, {"start": "02:08:33", "end": "02:08:38", "text": "really um very hopeful. Um"}, {"start": "02:08:36", "end": "02:08:42", "text": ">> it was a it's a touching story."}, {"start": "02:08:38", "end": "02:08:44", "text": ">> Yeah. So, uh you know, I was really, you"}, {"start": "02:08:42", "end": "02:08:47", "text": "know, I get upset about this stuff to"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:48", "text": "tell you the truth. And um and I was,"}, {"start": "02:08:47", "end": "02:08:51", "text": "you know, thinking, what could I"}, {"start": "02:08:48", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "possibly do to like get the kids off"}, {"start": "02:08:51", "end": "02:08:54", "text": "their phones? Like what could I do? And"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:56", "text": "I thought I I need to create something"}, {"start": "02:08:54", "end": "02:08:58", "text": "like a space for them. So I thought"}, {"start": "02:08:56", "end": "02:09:01", "text": "maybe chess. My kids play chess, by the"}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:03", "text": "way. And so I was like I But that was"}, {"start": "02:09:01", "end": "02:09:07", "text": "just a thought I had. Well, a week"}, {"start": "02:09:03", "end": "02:09:10", "text": "later, a a a student shows up, asks if"}, {"start": "02:09:07", "end": "02:09:12", "text": "he can meet with me in my office hour,"}, {"start": "02:09:10", "end": "02:09:15", "text": "and he's not in my major, and he said"}, {"start": "02:09:12", "end": "02:09:17", "text": "that he had played my daughter in chess."}, {"start": "02:09:15", "end": "02:09:20", "text": "and that she had won him. And so she"}, {"start": "02:09:17", "end": "02:09:23", "text": "thought he thought then that her her"}, {"start": "02:09:20", "end": "02:09:26", "text": "mom's a professor here, she would be the"}, {"start": "02:09:23", "end": "02:09:29", "text": "person to create this chess club uh at"}, {"start": "02:09:26", "end": "02:09:32", "text": "the university. And so this is an"}, {"start": "02:09:29", "end": "02:09:34", "text": "incredible young student who"}, {"start": "02:09:32", "end": "02:09:37", "text": "created the chess club. All the kids"}, {"start": "02:09:34", "end": "02:09:39", "text": "came. We had all these uh tournaments"}, {"start": "02:09:37", "end": "02:09:41", "text": "and they were able to hang out. Not they"}, {"start": "02:09:39", "end": "02:09:44", "text": "know by the way this this group of"}, {"start": "02:09:41", "end": "02:09:47", "text": "students these young people now they"}, {"start": "02:09:44", "end": "02:09:49", "text": "know there's an issue they he"}, {"start": "02:09:47", "end": "02:09:52", "text": "specifically said my generation we can't"}, {"start": "02:09:49", "end": "02:09:54", "text": "even be together and talk to each other"}, {"start": "02:09:52", "end": "02:09:57", "text": "we can't do that and I want to stop that"}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:09:58", "text": "I want to try to stop that and so he"}, {"start": "02:09:57", "end": "02:10:00", "text": "asked me to help him out with that and I"}, {"start": "02:09:58", "end": "02:10:03", "text": "thought it was a weird coincidence that"}, {"start": "02:10:00", "end": "02:10:06", "text": "I had just thought to myself chess so of"}, {"start": "02:10:03", "end": "02:10:08", "text": "course I was all on that so now um we do"}, {"start": "02:10:06", "end": "02:10:10", "text": "have this thriving chess club at No"}, {"start": "02:10:08", "end": "02:10:11", "text": "phones there, right?"}, {"start": "02:10:10", "end": "02:10:12", "text": ">> Well, if they have phones, they're not"}, {"start": "02:10:11", "end": "02:10:12", "text": "using them,"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:15", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:19", "text": ">> They're probably in their pockets. And"}, {"start": "02:10:15", "end": "02:10:22", "text": "it fills me with so much hope. And like"}, {"start": "02:10:19", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "I will do it 100%. Like, yeah. So,"}, {"start": "02:10:22", "end": "02:10:26", "text": ">> I think you said if there's a leading"}, {"start": "02:10:24", "end": "02:10:27", "text": "candidate for the Antichrist, it would"}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:31", "text": "be social media."}, {"start": "02:10:27", "end": "02:10:34", "text": ">> I did. Yeah. That was in um response to"}, {"start": "02:10:31", "end": "02:10:37", "text": "Peter Teal's excellent talk on the"}, {"start": "02:10:34", "end": "02:10:39", "text": "Antichrist. So, he's been talking about"}, {"start": "02:10:37", "end": "02:10:41", "text": "the Antichrist and he's had, you know,"}, {"start": "02:10:39", "end": "02:10:43", "text": "you can find this online. So, uh you"}, {"start": "02:10:41", "end": "02:10:43", "text": "can, you know, listen to him talk about"}, {"start": "02:10:43", "end": "02:10:45", "text": "it and"}, {"start": "02:10:43", "end": "02:10:46", "text": ">> he's on a road tour. He did a road tour"}, {"start": "02:10:45", "end": "02:10:47", "text": "at that time."}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:50", "text": ">> Yeah, that's right. So, he's the"}, {"start": "02:10:47", "end": "02:10:51", "text": "Antichrist guy and um I think it's cool"}, {"start": "02:10:50", "end": "02:10:54", "text": "because, you know, he's kind of"}, {"start": "02:10:51", "end": "02:10:56", "text": "uplifting that conversation, right? He's"}, {"start": "02:10:54", "end": "02:10:59", "text": "bringing some credibility to it. He's a,"}, {"start": "02:10:56", "end": "02:11:01", "text": "you know, a smart guy who's talking"}, {"start": "02:10:59", "end": "02:11:04", "text": "about this that has been a stigmatized"}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:07", "text": "topic. And so, of course, I took notice."}, {"start": "02:11:04", "end": "02:11:10", "text": "And so I listened to him. I attended a"}, {"start": "02:11:07", "end": "02:11:13", "text": "conference that he where he gave a talk"}, {"start": "02:11:10", "end": "02:11:16", "text": "on the antichrist and I was thinking you"}, {"start": "02:11:13", "end": "02:11:18", "text": "know I was really surprised because you"}, {"start": "02:11:16", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "know he's the found like he's founders"}, {"start": "02:11:18", "end": "02:11:22", "text": "fund like he's the guy who funded the"}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:22", "text": "social media."}, {"start": "02:11:22", "end": "02:11:25", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:11:22", "end": "02:11:27", "text": ">> The big social media we have. And so it"}, {"start": "02:11:25", "end": "02:11:30", "text": "occurred to me that he's missing a"}, {"start": "02:11:27", "end": "02:11:34", "text": "something really important and that is"}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:37", "text": "that AI superpowered social media. But"}, {"start": "02:11:34", "end": "02:11:42", "text": "even so, social social media without AI"}, {"start": "02:11:37", "end": "02:11:44", "text": "uh is what is stopping young people from"}, {"start": "02:11:42", "end": "02:11:47", "text": "having the capacity to have what we call"}, {"start": "02:11:44", "end": "02:11:49", "text": "like this interior life which is really"}, {"start": "02:11:47", "end": "02:11:51", "text": "important because it's actually part of"}, {"start": "02:11:49", "end": "02:11:54", "text": "our body. It's part of our physical"}, {"start": "02:11:51", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "makeup. All human beings are born with"}, {"start": "02:11:54", "end": "02:11:58", "text": "the capacity to have this this it's"}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:12:01", "text": "called a spiritual sense, a capacity for"}, {"start": "02:11:58", "end": "02:12:03", "text": "this. But we're taking it away. We're"}, {"start": "02:12:01", "end": "02:12:05", "text": "making it inaccessible to young people"}, {"start": "02:12:03", "end": "02:12:08", "text": "now because when it changes their brain"}, {"start": "02:12:05", "end": "02:12:09", "text": "chemistry. So they're no longer taught."}, {"start": "02:12:08", "end": "02:12:11", "text": "And by the way, lots of people are not"}, {"start": "02:12:09", "end": "02:12:13", "text": "taught this, but we all have this"}, {"start": "02:12:11", "end": "02:12:16", "text": "capacity. That's what religion is for."}, {"start": "02:12:13", "end": "02:12:18", "text": "And so I thought, you know, the"}, {"start": "02:12:16", "end": "02:12:21", "text": "antichrist in the book of Revelation is"}, {"start": "02:12:18", "end": "02:12:23", "text": "actually being um there's the false"}, {"start": "02:12:21", "end": "02:12:25", "text": "prophet that actually powers the"}, {"start": "02:12:23", "end": "02:12:27", "text": "antichrist. Well, it seems like that"}, {"start": "02:12:25", "end": "02:12:29", "text": "something that's powering like the"}, {"start": "02:12:27", "end": "02:12:32", "text": "Antichrist would be like this social"}, {"start": "02:12:29", "end": "02:12:34", "text": "media because it's eradicating that part"}, {"start": "02:12:32", "end": "02:12:36", "text": "of what makes a person spiritual. It's"}, {"start": "02:12:34", "end": "02:12:38", "text": "just getting rid of it, right?"}, {"start": "02:12:36", "end": "02:12:39", "text": ">> I think it's doing that physically."}, {"start": "02:12:38", "end": "02:12:40", "text": ">> It's physically doing that."}, {"start": "02:12:39", "end": "02:12:42", "text": ">> Physically destroying your brain."}, {"start": "02:12:40", "end": "02:12:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So, um I was surprised that"}, {"start": "02:12:42", "end": "02:12:45", "text": "he didn't consider that because he was"}, {"start": "02:12:43", "end": "02:12:48", "text": "reading the same I was reading the same"}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:50", "text": "books he was reading. Um I think it's"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:52", "text": "Howard Benson and I might get his first"}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:54", "text": "name wrong. uh the Lord of the world"}, {"start": "02:12:52", "end": "02:12:57", "text": "which is about the antichrist."}, {"start": "02:12:54", "end": "02:12:59", "text": ">> And so basically his he's writing in the"}, {"start": "02:12:57", "end": "02:13:02", "text": "early 20th century and he's talking"}, {"start": "02:12:59", "end": "02:13:04", "text": "about what's going to happen when the"}, {"start": "02:13:02", "end": "02:13:06", "text": "end times come. And he basically says"}, {"start": "02:13:04", "end": "02:13:08", "text": "what's going to happen is that we're"}, {"start": "02:13:06", "end": "02:13:11", "text": "going to have a infrastructure powered"}, {"start": "02:13:08", "end": "02:13:15", "text": "by technology that's going to eradicate"}, {"start": "02:13:11", "end": "02:13:16", "text": "the no knowledge of the spiritual sense."}, {"start": "02:13:15", "end": "02:13:18", "text": "It's going to just get rid of it. You"}, {"start": "02:13:16", "end": "02:13:20", "text": "won't even know you have it. And I'm"}, {"start": "02:13:18", "end": "02:13:23", "text": "thinking that's it."}, {"start": "02:13:20", "end": "02:13:26", "text": ">> Right? And so I I wrote uh a commentary"}, {"start": "02:13:23", "end": "02:13:28", "text": "to kind of uh and he and I have had the"}, {"start": "02:13:26", "end": "02:13:31", "text": "same one of the same professors by the"}, {"start": "02:13:28", "end": "02:13:34", "text": "way which is Renee Gerard. So I was not"}, {"start": "02:13:31", "end": "02:13:37", "text": "just like"}, {"start": "02:13:34", "end": "02:13:40", "text": "come on Mr. Teal you would have known"}, {"start": "02:13:37", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "this. So I kind of pointed it out and"}, {"start": "02:13:40", "end": "02:13:45", "text": "just like the first chap two chapters of"}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:47", "text": "the others where I point out that if I"}, {"start": "02:13:45", "end": "02:13:50", "text": "were to say that there's an antichrist I"}, {"start": "02:13:47", "end": "02:13:53", "text": "would say that social media is a"}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:54", "text": "contender for that like powered by AI"}, {"start": "02:13:53", "end": "02:13:55", "text": "because it's eradicating the spiritual"}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:13:57", "text": "sense."}, {"start": "02:13:55", "end": "02:13:59", "text": ">> I I tend to agree there's a few ironies"}, {"start": "02:13:57", "end": "02:14:02", "text": "with with Peter's talk. I think one of"}, {"start": "02:13:59", "end": "02:14:04", "text": "his contenders for the antichrist was an"}, {"start": "02:14:02", "end": "02:14:05", "text": "overregulated"}, {"start": "02:14:04", "end": "02:14:07", "text": "system."}, {"start": "02:14:05", "end": "02:14:12", "text": ">> Yeah. And a lack of privacy from the guy"}, {"start": "02:14:07", "end": "02:14:12", "text": "who helped found Palunteer"}, {"start": "02:14:12", "end": "02:14:16", "text": "is an interesting irony."}, {"start": "02:14:16", "end": "02:14:21", "text": "So it was like Gerard's work didn't make"}, {"start": "02:14:18", "end": "02:14:22", "text": "it into his talk."}, {"start": "02:14:21", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "Did was Gerard the one who talked about"}, {"start": "02:14:22", "end": "02:14:27", "text": "post-biological?"}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:29", "text": ">> No. No. That's um Steven Dick who's a"}, {"start": "02:14:27", "end": "02:14:31", "text": "NASA. Yeah. He was a NASA historian for"}, {"start": "02:14:29", "end": "02:14:33", "text": "many many years and founder of"}, {"start": "02:14:31", "end": "02:14:35", "text": "astrobiology. one of the founders,"}, {"start": "02:14:33", "end": "02:14:38", "text": "co-founder,"}, {"start": "02:14:35", "end": "02:14:41", "text": "super amazing, intelligent person."}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:43", "text": ">> Yes. Um, have you spoken to Peter about"}, {"start": "02:14:41", "end": "02:14:44", "text": "your disagreement?"}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:45", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:14:44", "end": "02:14:46", "text": ">> Because you've done a heretic a couple"}, {"start": "02:14:45", "end": "02:14:48", "text": "of times, haven't you?"}, {"start": "02:14:46", "end": "02:14:49", "text": ">> I've been invited a couple times. I went"}, {"start": "02:14:48", "end": "02:14:50", "text": "the one time."}, {"start": "02:14:49", "end": "02:14:53", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:14:50", "end": "02:14:53", "text": ">> Um, so I I have I've met Peter."}, {"start": "02:14:53", "end": "02:14:56", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:14:53", "end": "02:14:59", "text": ">> And I did ask him about that and I asked"}, {"start": "02:14:56", "end": "02:15:03", "text": "him about Gerard. Um"}, {"start": "02:14:59", "end": "02:15:08", "text": "he's a very intelligent person and very"}, {"start": "02:15:03", "end": "02:15:09", "text": "uh obviously he's who he is. I you know"}, {"start": "02:15:08", "end": "02:15:11", "text": "but I did ask him about that"}, {"start": "02:15:09", "end": "02:15:18", "text": ">> and"}, {"start": "02:15:11", "end": "02:15:20", "text": ">> um well he um he's a huge fan of Reerard"}, {"start": "02:15:18", "end": "02:15:24", "text": "but it didn't make an I haven't read in"}, {"start": "02:15:20", "end": "02:15:27", "text": "his his on his posted talks. I haven't"}, {"start": "02:15:24", "end": "02:15:29", "text": "read him draw on Gerard and the"}, {"start": "02:15:27", "end": "02:15:31", "text": "scapegoat mechanism in his Antichrist"}, {"start": "02:15:29", "end": "02:15:34", "text": "talks. He may have though. He may have"}, {"start": "02:15:31", "end": "02:15:35", "text": "integrated that. It just wasn't in the"}, {"start": "02:15:34", "end": "02:15:38", "text": "talk that I saw."}, {"start": "02:15:35", "end": "02:15:39", "text": ">> Okay. Well, let's take a quick break and"}, {"start": "02:15:38", "end": "02:15:42", "text": "when we come back, I'd like to talk a"}, {"start": "02:15:39", "end": "02:15:44", "text": "little bit more about mimetic theory and"}, {"start": "02:15:42", "end": "02:15:45", "text": "and postbiology, that kind of thing."}, {"start": "02:15:44", "end": "02:15:46", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:15:45", "end": "02:15:48", "text": ">> Be right back. Well, let's start. We"}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:48", "text": "could start with your questions. You"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:50", "text": "have notes?"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:52", "text": ">> Oh, wow. Yeah, I do actually. Okay,"}, {"start": "02:15:50", "end": "02:15:54", "text": "cool. Cool. Take take it away."}, {"start": "02:15:52", "end": "02:15:56", "text": ">> Okay. All right. I forgot I can't move"}, {"start": "02:15:54", "end": "02:15:58", "text": "this thing up. No. Okay."}, {"start": "02:15:56", "end": "02:15:58", "text": ">> Well, you you kind of you have to stand."}, {"start": "02:15:58", "end": "02:16:00", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "02:15:58", "end": "02:16:02", "text": ">> if you want to get closer, it'll drag."}, {"start": "02:16:00", "end": "02:16:04", "text": ">> I'm good. I'm good."}, {"start": "02:16:02", "end": "02:16:07", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:16:04", "end": "02:16:09", "text": ">> I was very interested in the podcast you"}, {"start": "02:16:07", "end": "02:16:12", "text": "did about the man who sees the future."}, {"start": "02:16:09", "end": "02:16:14", "text": ">> There's a few of Did so Amdus Do."}, {"start": "02:16:12", "end": "02:16:17", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. And what"}, {"start": "02:16:14", "end": "02:16:19", "text": "really interested me was not just that"}, {"start": "02:16:17", "end": "02:16:23", "text": "he could see the future but that he uh"}, {"start": "02:16:19", "end": "02:16:24", "text": "described the evolution of a spiritual"}, {"start": "02:16:23", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "sense. Mhm."}, {"start": "02:16:24", "end": "02:16:27", "text": ">> So can you say a bit about that"}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:29", "text": ">> about about what"}, {"start": "02:16:27", "end": "02:16:31", "text": ">> about the spiritual sense and what he"}, {"start": "02:16:29", "end": "02:16:34", "text": "saw"}, {"start": "02:16:31", "end": "02:16:38", "text": ">> Dinoch um so that story is"}, {"start": "02:16:34", "end": "02:16:41", "text": "George Pahhatsus I think comes from"}, {"start": "02:16:38", "end": "02:16:44", "text": "who is a Greek academic"}, {"start": "02:16:41", "end": "02:16:48", "text": "the so the Amadia Amadeak story is not"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:51", "text": "true but George's point was there that"}, {"start": "02:16:48", "end": "02:16:54", "text": "mankind is evolving toward a"}, {"start": "02:16:51", "end": "02:16:56", "text": "consciousness sort of a unified"}, {"start": "02:16:54", "end": "02:16:58", "text": "consciousness is our next stage of"}, {"start": "02:16:56", "end": "02:17:00", "text": "evolution is what Pahhatzus was getting"}, {"start": "02:16:58", "end": "02:17:02", "text": "at. Is that kind of what you mean?"}, {"start": "02:17:00", "end": "02:17:03", "text": ">> Yeah. But he also said that part of the"}, {"start": "02:17:02", "end": "02:17:05", "text": "reason we make it and we don't kill"}, {"start": "02:17:03", "end": "02:17:06", "text": "ourselves is because of the development"}, {"start": "02:17:05", "end": "02:17:07", "text": "of the spiritual sense."}, {"start": "02:17:06", "end": "02:17:10", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "02:17:07", "end": "02:17:11", "text": ">> Right. So which we talked about uh"}, {"start": "02:17:10", "end": "02:17:14", "text": "before the break"}, {"start": "02:17:11", "end": "02:17:16", "text": ">> we talked about that and how social"}, {"start": "02:17:14", "end": "02:17:16", "text": "media could influence that in a negative"}, {"start": "02:17:16", "end": "02:17:21", "text": "way."}, {"start": "02:17:16", "end": "02:17:24", "text": ">> Yes. So, uh, what I did when once I I"}, {"start": "02:17:21", "end": "02:17:26", "text": "was like, uh, horrified by how we're so"}, {"start": "02:17:24", "end": "02:17:29", "text": "conditioned by propaganda and so forth,"}, {"start": "02:17:26", "end": "02:17:31", "text": "um, I decided that to go back to"}, {"start": "02:17:29", "end": "02:17:34", "text": "visionary literature of the Catholic"}, {"start": "02:17:31", "end": "02:17:36", "text": "tradition, um, and look at the people"}, {"start": "02:17:34", "end": "02:17:38", "text": "who got it right, okay, who kind of"}, {"start": "02:17:36", "end": "02:17:40", "text": "predicted stuff that actually came true"}, {"start": "02:17:38", "end": "02:17:42", "text": "because I thought that would be really"}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:43", "text": "interesting and it was quite a journey."}, {"start": "02:17:42", "end": "02:17:47", "text": "So this is what the others is mostly"}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:50", "text": "about is this journey where uh this idea"}, {"start": "02:17:47", "end": "02:17:53", "text": "of the spiritual sense. So your guy"}, {"start": "02:17:50", "end": "02:17:56", "text": "right um isn't the only one who"}, {"start": "02:17:53", "end": "02:18:00", "text": "describes this. So you can see this also"}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:03", "text": "in the literature of this priest named"}, {"start": "02:18:00", "end": "02:18:05", "text": "Tar Desardon and he lived in the early"}, {"start": "02:18:03", "end": "02:18:08", "text": "20th century. So he was born I think in"}, {"start": "02:18:05", "end": "02:18:10", "text": "1880 and so he was actually part of the"}, {"start": "02:18:08", "end": "02:18:14", "text": "Russian cosmic scene. So he had a friend"}, {"start": "02:18:10", "end": "02:18:16", "text": "a lot of friends who were Russian and um"}, {"start": "02:18:14", "end": "02:18:17", "text": "and what's really interesting about him"}, {"start": "02:18:16", "end": "02:18:22", "text": "is that"}, {"start": "02:18:17", "end": "02:18:24", "text": "first he he predicted that our time the"}, {"start": "02:18:22", "end": "02:18:28", "text": "early 21st century would be a time when"}, {"start": "02:18:24", "end": "02:18:30", "text": "human beings are going to change in a"}, {"start": "02:18:28", "end": "02:18:33", "text": "way that he described he he believed in"}, {"start": "02:18:30", "end": "02:18:35", "text": "evolution. So he was a his work by the"}, {"start": "02:18:33", "end": "02:18:37", "text": "way was was suppressed not suppressed"}, {"start": "02:18:35", "end": "02:18:39", "text": "but yeah I mean it was basically the"}, {"start": "02:18:37", "end": "02:18:41", "text": "Catholic church told him not to talk"}, {"start": "02:18:39", "end": "02:18:44", "text": "about this stuff. So they like he was a"}, {"start": "02:18:41", "end": "02:18:46", "text": "paleontologist so they liked his science"}, {"start": "02:18:44", "end": "02:18:48", "text": "his science on you know rocks and stuff"}, {"start": "02:18:46", "end": "02:18:50", "text": "like that his geological work but they"}, {"start": "02:18:48", "end": "02:18:51", "text": "didn't want him to talk about what he"}, {"start": "02:18:50", "end": "02:18:53", "text": "thought was going to happen like his"}, {"start": "02:18:51", "end": "02:18:53", "text": "visions of what he thought was going to"}, {"start": "02:18:53", "end": "02:18:56", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "02:18:53", "end": "02:18:59", "text": ">> Wasn't he a daily mass guy? Yeah, he was"}, {"start": "02:18:56", "end": "02:19:01", "text": "a completely very devout Catholic and so"}, {"start": "02:18:59", "end": "02:19:03", "text": "he was really it devastated when the"}, {"start": "02:19:01", "end": "02:19:03", "text": "Catholic church told him not not to do"}, {"start": "02:19:03", "end": "02:19:04", "text": "this."}, {"start": "02:19:03", "end": "02:19:05", "text": ">> I was gonna ask you that to be"}, {"start": "02:19:04", "end": "02:19:06", "text": "admonished by the church must have been"}, {"start": "02:19:05", "end": "02:19:08", "text": "devastating for"}, {"start": "02:19:06", "end": "02:19:10", "text": ">> it was very devastating and he was"}, {"start": "02:19:08", "end": "02:19:12", "text": "really upset about it and we could talk"}, {"start": "02:19:10", "end": "02:19:14", "text": "about that. Yeah. Well, I'll talk about"}, {"start": "02:19:12", "end": "02:19:16", "text": "it after I say what he was actually what"}, {"start": "02:19:14", "end": "02:19:18", "text": "he saw."}, {"start": "02:19:16", "end": "02:19:22", "text": ">> So he was a really devout person and he"}, {"start": "02:19:18", "end": "02:19:24", "text": "always had been from a child. Okay. And"}, {"start": "02:19:22", "end": "02:19:26", "text": "what's really interesting about him,"}, {"start": "02:19:24", "end": "02:19:28", "text": "well, there are so many things that are"}, {"start": "02:19:26", "end": "02:19:31", "text": "interesting about him. Uh, but one of"}, {"start": "02:19:28", "end": "02:19:36", "text": "them is that everything that he wrote"}, {"start": "02:19:31", "end": "02:19:40", "text": "about um in the early 20th century, uh,"}, {"start": "02:19:36", "end": "02:19:42", "text": "he believed he saw through his spiritual"}, {"start": "02:19:40", "end": "02:19:45", "text": "sense. He believed in this physical"}, {"start": "02:19:42", "end": "02:19:47", "text": "sense that he had. And he said it was a"}, {"start": "02:19:45", "end": "02:19:49", "text": "sense literally like our senses like"}, {"start": "02:19:47", "end": "02:19:51", "text": "hearing or sight. So you and I can see"}, {"start": "02:19:49", "end": "02:19:54", "text": "what's on this table, right?"}, {"start": "02:19:51", "end": "02:19:57", "text": "um to him his spiritual sense was that"}, {"start": "02:19:54", "end": "02:19:59", "text": "obvious and I'd been through a lot of"}, {"start": "02:19:57", "end": "02:20:02", "text": "his his work right I'd read like"}, {"start": "02:19:59", "end": "02:20:05", "text": "everything and what I noticed was that"}, {"start": "02:20:02", "end": "02:20:07", "text": "he would use the word astonish"}, {"start": "02:20:05", "end": "02:20:10", "text": "only when he was talking about how he"}, {"start": "02:20:07", "end": "02:20:12", "text": "was astonished that other people didn't"}, {"start": "02:20:10", "end": "02:20:15", "text": "have this sense. So he felt like this"}, {"start": "02:20:12", "end": "02:20:17", "text": "sense was was going to evolve. He"}, {"start": "02:20:15", "end": "02:20:20", "text": "thought it was going to evolve. Okay. So"}, {"start": "02:20:17", "end": "02:20:22", "text": "what was his vision? So um some people"}, {"start": "02:20:20", "end": "02:20:24", "text": "have heard of this thing called the"}, {"start": "02:20:22", "end": "02:20:26", "text": "newest sphere."}, {"start": "02:20:24", "end": "02:20:29", "text": ">> So the newest sphere is something that a"}, {"start": "02:20:26", "end": "02:20:29", "text": "lot of people in tech and AI talk about."}, {"start": "02:20:29", "end": "02:20:32", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "02:20:29", "end": "02:20:34", "text": ">> It's it's I mean it looks really like"}, {"start": "02:20:32", "end": "02:20:36", "text": "the internet and supercharged internet"}, {"start": "02:20:34", "end": "02:20:38", "text": "but this is what he saw. So he was um he"}, {"start": "02:20:36", "end": "02:20:40", "text": "went to the war. So he was French and he"}, {"start": "02:20:38", "end": "02:20:42", "text": "went to World War I and he worked on the"}, {"start": "02:20:40", "end": "02:20:44", "text": "front and he helped people who were"}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:46", "text": "being who were injured. He helped bring"}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:48", "text": "them to the med medical person. Okay. So"}, {"start": "02:20:46", "end": "02:20:50", "text": "his job was to help um get them on the"}, {"start": "02:20:48", "end": "02:20:52", "text": "stretcher and then to bring them to"}, {"start": "02:20:50", "end": "02:20:57", "text": "Well, what he saw during this"}, {"start": "02:20:52", "end": "02:20:59", "text": "devastating war was he said he saw"}, {"start": "02:20:57", "end": "02:21:01", "text": "humankind's soul. All right. Well, what"}, {"start": "02:20:59", "end": "02:21:04", "text": "does that mean? Humankind's soul. He"}, {"start": "02:21:01", "end": "02:21:06", "text": "said that there was something about the"}, {"start": "02:21:04", "end": "02:21:11", "text": "environment of war that was so"}, {"start": "02:21:06", "end": "02:21:14", "text": "incredibly charged that"}, {"start": "02:21:11", "end": "02:21:16", "text": "um helped him identify like through a"}, {"start": "02:21:14", "end": "02:21:20", "text": "spiritual sense"}, {"start": "02:21:16", "end": "02:21:22", "text": "humanity's future and he called it the"}, {"start": "02:21:20", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "newest sphere. Okay. He said humankind"}, {"start": "02:21:22", "end": "02:21:27", "text": "is evolving toward what he called like"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:29", "text": "this omega point this new sphere"}, {"start": "02:21:27", "end": "02:21:31", "text": ">> newphere. So that's like a g a sphere of"}, {"start": "02:21:29", "end": "02:21:32", "text": "thought where all have this a un a"}, {"start": "02:21:31", "end": "02:21:32", "text": "unified thought."}, {"start": "02:21:32", "end": "02:21:37", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay."}, {"start": "02:21:32", "end": "02:21:41", "text": ">> Yeah. So he saw um he saw humanity merge"}, {"start": "02:21:37", "end": "02:21:43", "text": "into through their basic cognition like"}, {"start": "02:21:41", "end": "02:21:45", "text": "he called it celebration"}, {"start": "02:21:43", "end": "02:21:48", "text": ">> and what it was was there's the"}, {"start": "02:21:45", "end": "02:21:50", "text": "biosphere, right? So this is going to be"}, {"start": "02:21:48", "end": "02:21:53", "text": "above the biosphere and it's going to be"}, {"start": "02:21:50", "end": "02:21:56", "text": "a space that humanity is going to"}, {"start": "02:21:53", "end": "02:22:00", "text": "connect with each other through like a"}, {"start": "02:21:56", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "aworked mind. It's like a global brain."}, {"start": "02:22:00", "end": "02:22:05", "text": "So he was projecting a mass global brain"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:08", "text": "that human beings were going to be a"}, {"start": "02:22:05", "end": "02:22:10", "text": "part of and we were going to share"}, {"start": "02:22:08", "end": "02:22:13", "text": "insights, share art, share"}, {"start": "02:22:10", "end": "02:22:15", "text": "entertainment, have economic things"}, {"start": "02:22:13", "end": "02:22:16", "text": "happen in this sphere. This is the"}, {"start": "02:22:15", "end": "02:22:18", "text": "newest sphere. He didn't coin the term"}, {"start": "02:22:16", "end": "02:22:19", "text": "by the way or he may have coined it. I"}, {"start": "02:22:18", "end": "02:22:23", "text": "actually don't know exactly who coined"}, {"start": "02:22:19", "end": "02:22:26", "text": "it but it was it was being utilized by"}, {"start": "02:22:23", "end": "02:22:28", "text": "uh Russian cosmists and he utilized it"}, {"start": "02:22:26", "end": "02:22:30", "text": "too. So he described this as the newest"}, {"start": "02:22:28", "end": "02:22:32", "text": "sphere that people now talk about today."}, {"start": "02:22:30", "end": "02:22:34", "text": "It very much looks like when the"}, {"start": "02:22:32", "end": "02:22:36", "text": "internet started to happen you know many"}, {"start": "02:22:34", "end": "02:22:38", "text": "years ago. I remember looking at it and"}, {"start": "02:22:36", "end": "02:22:40", "text": "thinking this really looks like Tard's"}, {"start": "02:22:38", "end": "02:22:42", "text": "idea of the new sphere you know taking"}, {"start": "02:22:40", "end": "02:22:45", "text": "shape and now it really looks like that."}, {"start": "02:22:42", "end": "02:22:50", "text": "And so, you know, especially with AI and"}, {"start": "02:22:45", "end": "02:22:51", "text": "AI maybe um, you know, could it be AI"}, {"start": "02:22:50", "end": "02:22:53", "text": "even? I don't know. So, that's the"}, {"start": "02:22:51", "end": "02:22:56", "text": "thing. It's like when you get into these"}, {"start": "02:22:53", "end": "02:22:59", "text": "guys who are doing this projection um"}, {"start": "02:22:56", "end": "02:23:03", "text": "into the f 21st century, uh, it's really"}, {"start": "02:22:59", "end": "02:23:04", "text": "interesting to kind of parse out what"}, {"start": "02:23:03", "end": "02:23:06", "text": "could it be that they're talking about."}, {"start": "02:23:04", "end": "02:23:10", "text": "It looks very similar to the internet,"}, {"start": "02:23:06", "end": "02:23:12", "text": "but it looks even more like um aware,"}, {"start": "02:23:10", "end": "02:23:15", "text": "self-aware. So that could be a form of"}, {"start": "02:23:12", "end": "02:23:17", "text": "like AI perhaps or human beings merged"}, {"start": "02:23:15", "end": "02:23:19", "text": "with AI. I don't know. But he he"}, {"start": "02:23:17", "end": "02:23:22", "text": "projected that human beings were going"}, {"start": "02:23:19", "end": "02:23:24", "text": "to evolve into this. And he was Catholic"}, {"start": "02:23:22", "end": "02:23:26", "text": "so he believed it would be a honestly he"}, {"start": "02:23:24", "end": "02:23:27", "text": "believed that it would be apocalyptic."}, {"start": "02:23:26", "end": "02:23:29", "text": "He thought it was going to either be"}, {"start": "02:23:27", "end": "02:23:29", "text": "really good or or the end of human"}, {"start": "02:23:29", "end": "02:23:32", "text": "beings."}, {"start": "02:23:29", "end": "02:23:34", "text": ">> Apocalyptic really just means to reveal"}, {"start": "02:23:32", "end": "02:23:37", "text": "what isn't known. Right."}, {"start": "02:23:34", "end": "02:23:39", "text": ">> It is. Yeah. I'm using it in the sense"}, {"start": "02:23:37", "end": "02:23:42", "text": "of not necessarily. It literally means"}, {"start": "02:23:39", "end": "02:23:43", "text": "to be revealed. Yeah. But people utilize"}, {"start": "02:23:42", "end": "02:23:45", "text": "it today to mean like maybe an"}, {"start": "02:23:43", "end": "02:23:48", "text": "apocalyptic event would be like a"}, {"start": "02:23:45", "end": "02:23:50", "text": "catastrophic event. So it has, you know,"}, {"start": "02:23:48", "end": "02:23:52", "text": "it has that meaning also."}, {"start": "02:23:50", "end": "02:23:54", "text": ">> Did Teard um believe the newest fear you"}, {"start": "02:23:52", "end": "02:23:57", "text": "would retain individuality or is it more"}, {"start": "02:23:54", "end": "02:23:58", "text": "toward your analysis of like children's"}, {"start": "02:23:57", "end": "02:24:00", "text": "end where it's not so great."}, {"start": "02:23:58", "end": "02:24:03", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah. So all right. So the"}, {"start": "02:24:00", "end": "02:24:06", "text": "childhood zen is the book by Arthur C."}, {"start": "02:24:03", "end": "02:24:07", "text": "Clark who it looks like was influenced"}, {"start": "02:24:06", "end": "02:24:08", "text": "by Tayard."}, {"start": "02:24:07", "end": "02:24:11", "text": ">> Yes. Uh in fact it looks like a lot of"}, {"start": "02:24:08", "end": "02:24:13", "text": "people were influenced by Tayard. Um I"}, {"start": "02:24:11", "end": "02:24:16", "text": "know Kerszswall uh who wrote about the"}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:20", "text": "singularity talks about Tayard as well."}, {"start": "02:24:16", "end": "02:24:22", "text": "Um but secularizes it. So you know um he"}, {"start": "02:24:20", "end": "02:24:25", "text": "did think Tayard thought that we would"}, {"start": "02:24:22", "end": "02:24:27", "text": "retain our individuality but still be"}, {"start": "02:24:25", "end": "02:24:29", "text": "connected. Um he thought it would be he"}, {"start": "02:24:27", "end": "02:24:32", "text": "actually thought it would be good."}, {"start": "02:24:29", "end": "02:24:35", "text": "Right. That's but there were occasions"}, {"start": "02:24:32", "end": "02:24:37", "text": "in his discussions where he also thought"}, {"start": "02:24:35", "end": "02:24:38", "text": "it could possibly be bad but it would be"}, {"start": "02:24:37", "end": "02:24:40", "text": "our choice."}, {"start": "02:24:38", "end": "02:24:43", "text": ">> It would be our choice."}, {"start": "02:24:40", "end": "02:24:45", "text": ">> Yeah. It would be our choice."}, {"start": "02:24:43", "end": "02:24:48", "text": ">> But he was a believer. So listen what"}, {"start": "02:24:45", "end": "02:24:50", "text": "happened to him. Okay. So he couldn't"}, {"start": "02:24:48", "end": "02:24:53", "text": "not write about this. Okay. Right."}, {"start": "02:24:50", "end": "02:24:56", "text": ">> So of course he's writing about it and"}, {"start": "02:24:53", "end": "02:24:58", "text": "these are circulating through um what"}, {"start": "02:24:56", "end": "02:25:02", "text": "are they called? The kind of precursor"}, {"start": "02:24:58", "end": "02:25:04", "text": "to Okay. like mimograph, you know, um,"}, {"start": "02:25:02", "end": "02:25:05", "text": "and people are reading it and he's"}, {"start": "02:25:04", "end": "02:25:07", "text": "influencing lots and lots of people."}, {"start": "02:25:05", "end": "02:25:09", "text": "He's like he's a very charismatic"}, {"start": "02:25:07", "end": "02:25:11", "text": "thinker and people love him. All right?"}, {"start": "02:25:09", "end": "02:25:13", "text": "So, he's influencing people, but the"}, {"start": "02:25:11", "end": "02:25:15", "text": "Catholic Church is telling him, you"}, {"start": "02:25:13", "end": "02:25:17", "text": "know, stop, right? We we think you're"}, {"start": "02:25:15", "end": "02:25:20", "text": "crazy. You know, what you're talking"}, {"start": "02:25:17", "end": "02:25:21", "text": "about makes no sense to us. Um, they now"}, {"start": "02:25:20", "end": "02:25:24", "text": "like him, by the way, and they've lifted"}, {"start": "02:25:21", "end": "02:25:25", "text": "that ban on him, but he did he was under"}, {"start": "02:25:24", "end": "02:25:28", "text": "that for a long time."}, {"start": "02:25:25", "end": "02:25:29", "text": ">> Why didn't the church like it? Um, I"}, {"start": "02:25:28", "end": "02:25:32", "text": "think part of it was that they were"}, {"start": "02:25:29", "end": "02:25:34", "text": "grappling with how to integrate the idea"}, {"start": "02:25:32", "end": "02:25:37", "text": "of evolution because they're, you know,"}, {"start": "02:25:34", "end": "02:25:38", "text": "they're they believe that God created"}, {"start": "02:25:37", "end": "02:25:40", "text": "everything. So,"}, {"start": "02:25:38", "end": "02:25:40", "text": ">> because this is prevatican 2, right?"}, {"start": "02:25:40", "end": "02:25:42", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "02:25:40", "end": "02:25:43", "text": ">> Yeah, it is prevatican 2."}, {"start": "02:25:42", "end": "02:25:46", "text": ">> But, but coming close."}, {"start": "02:25:43", "end": "02:25:46", "text": ">> No, no, Vatican 2 is in the 1960s."}, {"start": "02:25:46", "end": "02:25:48", "text": ">> 60s, but"}, {"start": "02:25:46", "end": "02:25:50", "text": ">> so he's writing in the in the 1920s and"}, {"start": "02:25:48", "end": "02:25:50", "text": "30s."}, {"start": "02:25:50", "end": "02:25:51", "text": ">> So, he died"}, {"start": "02:25:50", "end": "02:25:55", "text": ">> to me. That's pretty close."}, {"start": "02:25:51", "end": "02:25:57", "text": ">> Oh, well, he dies in 55, I think."}, {"start": "02:25:55", "end": "02:26:00", "text": ">> Okay. And one of the things that's"}, {"start": "02:25:57", "end": "02:26:02", "text": "really interesting is that"}, {"start": "02:26:00", "end": "02:26:06", "text": "he obeyed the Catholic Church, you know,"}, {"start": "02:26:02", "end": "02:26:08", "text": "and he uh he did he did his friends said"}, {"start": "02:26:06", "end": "02:26:12", "text": "this. They said that he used to say, \"If"}, {"start": "02:26:08", "end": "02:26:14", "text": "I God, if I'm right, uh take me on"}, {"start": "02:26:12", "end": "02:26:16", "text": "resurrection day, right? Take me on the"}, {"start": "02:26:14", "end": "02:26:18", "text": "day of of resurrection, which is Easter"}, {"start": "02:26:16", "end": "02:26:18", "text": "Sunday.\" And he did die on Easter"}, {"start": "02:26:18", "end": "02:26:19", "text": "Sunday."}, {"start": "02:26:18", "end": "02:26:21", "text": ">> He did."}, {"start": "02:26:19", "end": "02:26:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:26:21", "end": "02:26:24", "text": "That's what that's why I don't talk"}, {"start": "02:26:22", "end": "02:26:26", "text": "about what day I'm going to die because"}, {"start": "02:26:24", "end": "02:26:28", "text": "that always comes that always happens."}, {"start": "02:26:26", "end": "02:26:31", "text": "Wasn't your book Encounters going to be"}, {"start": "02:26:28", "end": "02:26:34", "text": "named Resurre Resurrection, but I read"}, {"start": "02:26:31", "end": "02:26:36", "text": "that and and was do you talk to your"}, {"start": "02:26:34", "end": "02:26:38", "text": "editors and changed it?"}, {"start": "02:26:36", "end": "02:26:40", "text": ">> It could be. It sounds like it's"}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:40", "text": "something I would do. I can't remember"}, {"start": "02:26:40", "end": "02:26:41", "text": "though."}, {"start": "02:26:40", "end": "02:26:44", "text": ">> That was something I read I thought was"}, {"start": "02:26:41", "end": "02:26:47", "text": "thought was interesting."}, {"start": "02:26:44", "end": "02:26:50", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "02:26:47", "end": "02:26:52", "text": "so the church now is okay with with his"}, {"start": "02:26:50", "end": "02:26:54", "text": "theory. Yeah, because it looks like, you"}, {"start": "02:26:52", "end": "02:26:56", "text": "know, something of that sort has"}, {"start": "02:26:54", "end": "02:26:58", "text": "happened. We do have a global brain of"}, {"start": "02:26:56", "end": "02:27:01", "text": "sorts, right? And it looks like it's"}, {"start": "02:26:58", "end": "02:27:03", "text": "just going to ramp up um where it's"}, {"start": "02:27:01", "end": "02:27:05", "text": "going to go. Uh that's why I think it's"}, {"start": "02:27:03", "end": "02:27:08", "text": "interesting to follow the work of these"}, {"start": "02:27:05", "end": "02:27:11", "text": "people. So, it's not just him. So, he"}, {"start": "02:27:08", "end": "02:27:14", "text": "influenced other people who tweaked his"}, {"start": "02:27:11", "end": "02:27:16", "text": "ideas a bit. one of whom was Marshall"}, {"start": "02:27:14", "end": "02:27:18", "text": "McLuhan who's a another guy who talks"}, {"start": "02:27:16", "end": "02:27:21", "text": "about the spiritual sense and credits"}, {"start": "02:27:18", "end": "02:27:23", "text": "his spiritual sense with his insights"}, {"start": "02:27:21", "end": "02:27:25", "text": "into technology and how technology is"}, {"start": "02:27:23", "end": "02:27:27", "text": "going to change human humanity"}, {"start": "02:27:25", "end": "02:27:29", "text": ">> is McLuhan the the media guy"}, {"start": "02:27:27", "end": "02:27:32", "text": ">> yeah the media is the message guy"}, {"start": "02:27:29", "end": "02:27:34", "text": ">> oh so he's the he's a propaganda guy"}, {"start": "02:27:32", "end": "02:27:36", "text": ">> yes he's a propaganda guy yeah he's"}, {"start": "02:27:34", "end": "02:27:39", "text": "fascinating really interesting work"}, {"start": "02:27:36", "end": "02:27:42", "text": "ahead of his time you know he well think"}, {"start": "02:27:39", "end": "02:27:43", "text": "how ahead of his time Tayar is right so"}, {"start": "02:27:42", "end": "02:27:45", "text": "that's Why I say when you're ahead of"}, {"start": "02:27:43", "end": "02:27:47", "text": "your time, you're you're ahead of your"}, {"start": "02:27:45", "end": "02:27:48", "text": "time. No one's going to know that,"}, {"start": "02:27:47", "end": "02:27:50", "text": "right? And so you're going to be"}, {"start": "02:27:48", "end": "02:27:54", "text": "misunderstood and it's a bummer, right?"}, {"start": "02:27:50", "end": "02:27:57", "text": "It's a bummer. Um boy, I wish that he"}, {"start": "02:27:54", "end": "02:28:00", "text": "would know what happened since since he"}, {"start": "02:27:57", "end": "02:28:01", "text": "died, you know, tarn even McLuhan, like"}, {"start": "02:28:00", "end": "02:28:05", "text": "McLuhan has some amazing things. So"}, {"start": "02:28:01", "end": "02:28:07", "text": "these guys, they're they're Catholic and"}, {"start": "02:28:05", "end": "02:28:10", "text": "they're looking at the 21st century."}, {"start": "02:28:07", "end": "02:28:11", "text": "Each of them has an idea that he human"}, {"start": "02:28:10", "end": "02:28:14", "text": "beings are going to shift into something"}, {"start": "02:28:11", "end": "02:28:16", "text": "completely different. Um, Taylor thinks"}, {"start": "02:28:14", "end": "02:28:18", "text": "it's kind of like a uh like a"}, {"start": "02:28:16", "end": "02:28:20", "text": "singularity type thing, like a global"}, {"start": "02:28:18", "end": "02:28:22", "text": "mind, but he sees as spiritual. He calls"}, {"start": "02:28:20", "end": "02:28:25", "text": "it the omega point. Mhm."}, {"start": "02:28:22", "end": "02:28:28", "text": ">> And Marshall McLuhan doesn't really have"}, {"start": "02:28:25", "end": "02:28:30", "text": "that idea, but he definitely thinks that"}, {"start": "02:28:28", "end": "02:28:32", "text": "it's it's um well, he's hopeful, right,"}, {"start": "02:28:30", "end": "02:28:35", "text": "being Catholic, but he also is"}, {"start": "02:28:32", "end": "02:28:37", "text": "apocalyptic in the sense that it could"}, {"start": "02:28:35", "end": "02:28:40", "text": "go wrong, you know, but he's hoping that"}, {"start": "02:28:37", "end": "02:28:44", "text": "it doesn't go wrong. Um but he sees it"}, {"start": "02:28:40", "end": "02:28:46", "text": "as technology shifting human perception."}, {"start": "02:28:44", "end": "02:28:49", "text": "Um kind of like Socrates said it would."}, {"start": "02:28:46", "end": "02:28:50", "text": "Right. So he's Socratic in that way."}, {"start": "02:28:49", "end": "02:28:52", "text": ">> That's right. Right. Whether it's"}, {"start": "02:28:50", "end": "02:28:54", "text": "writing or AI. Yeah, that's right."}, {"start": "02:28:52", "end": "02:28:54", "text": "Technology is always going to change us"}, {"start": "02:28:54", "end": "02:28:57", "text": "physically,"}, {"start": "02:28:54", "end": "02:28:59", "text": ">> which it was one of these thinkers"}, {"start": "02:28:57", "end": "02:29:01", "text": "talking about technology who said,"}, {"start": "02:28:59", "end": "02:29:02", "text": ">> \"The prince of our world will certainly"}, {"start": "02:29:01", "end": "02:29:05", "text": "be"}, {"start": "02:29:02", "end": "02:29:07", "text": "a great electrical engineer.\""}, {"start": "02:29:05", "end": "02:29:08", "text": ">> That's right. Yeah. I"}, {"start": "02:29:07", "end": "02:29:10", "text": ">> forget who it was who said that. It"}, {"start": "02:29:08", "end": "02:29:11", "text": "might was it McLuhan? It"}, {"start": "02:29:10", "end": "02:29:14", "text": ">> was one of those guys talking about"}, {"start": "02:29:11", "end": "02:29:17", "text": "technology. Um, talk a little bit about"}, {"start": "02:29:14", "end": "02:29:18", "text": "Childhood's Hand and why Arthur C. Clark"}, {"start": "02:29:17", "end": "02:29:20", "text": "went the dark way."}, {"start": "02:29:18", "end": "02:29:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay, that's a good way to put it."}, {"start": "02:29:20", "end": "02:29:24", "text": "Yeah. Well, I mean, others is is"}, {"start": "02:29:23", "end": "02:29:25", "text": "probably your darkest book, I would"}, {"start": "02:29:24", "end": "02:29:26", "text": "think."}, {"start": "02:29:25", "end": "02:29:28", "text": ">> I think so."}, {"start": "02:29:26", "end": "02:29:31", "text": ">> So, I mean, at some point you went from"}, {"start": "02:29:28", "end": "02:29:34", "text": "sort of academic documentarian to"}, {"start": "02:29:31", "end": "02:29:37", "text": "believer to now you're now you're a"}, {"start": "02:29:34", "end": "02:29:39", "text": "herald. Now, you're warning us."}, {"start": "02:29:37", "end": "02:29:42", "text": ">> Well, I guess I felt like the other"}, {"start": "02:29:39", "end": "02:29:43", "text": "books didn't warn enough because people,"}, {"start": "02:29:42", "end": "02:29:45", "text": "you know what I mean? I was like,"}, {"start": "02:29:43", "end": "02:29:47", "text": "listen, this is, you know, this is going"}, {"start": "02:29:45", "end": "02:29:49", "text": "this is happening. This is like let's"}, {"start": "02:29:47", "end": "02:29:51", "text": "let's pay attention."}, {"start": "02:29:49", "end": "02:29:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. This is kind of a scary"}, {"start": "02:29:51", "end": "02:29:56", "text": "book. I have to admit it."}, {"start": "02:29:53", "end": "02:29:56", "text": ">> Uh, it is. Um, so Arthur C. Clark went"}, {"start": "02:29:56", "end": "02:29:58", "text": "dark."}, {"start": "02:29:56", "end": "02:30:00", "text": ">> Yeah, he may have always been dark. I"}, {"start": "02:29:58", "end": "02:30:01", "text": "don't know. Let's talk about him."}, {"start": "02:30:00", "end": "02:30:03", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:30:01", "end": "02:30:06", "text": ">> let's talk about him. Okay, so Arthur C."}, {"start": "02:30:03", "end": "02:30:08", "text": "Clark, brilliant guy, right? Um, one of"}, {"start": "02:30:06", "end": "02:30:12", "text": "these Okay, so another person who lived"}, {"start": "02:30:08", "end": "02:30:13", "text": "uh in the early 20th century um un like"}, {"start": "02:30:12", "end": "02:30:17", "text": "throughout the century, died in the"}, {"start": "02:30:13", "end": "02:30:19", "text": "2000s, I think, like 2007 maybe. Um"}, {"start": "02:30:17", "end": "02:30:23", "text": "anyway, brilliant"}, {"start": "02:30:19", "end": "02:30:26", "text": "thinker. Uh started out not just writing"}, {"start": "02:30:23", "end": "02:30:28", "text": "about super interested in space travel."}, {"start": "02:30:26", "end": "02:30:30", "text": "Okay. So he was part of the British"}, {"start": "02:30:28", "end": "02:30:32", "text": "interplanetary"}, {"start": "02:30:30", "end": "02:30:33", "text": "uh I think it's called society"}, {"start": "02:30:32", "end": "02:30:35", "text": ">> the BIS. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:30:33", "end": "02:30:37", "text": ">> Yeah. And so those guys were"}, {"start": "02:30:35", "end": "02:30:38", "text": "interesting. So in order to do this book"}, {"start": "02:30:37", "end": "02:30:41", "text": "I had to go back and read about those"}, {"start": "02:30:38", "end": "02:30:42", "text": "guys. And this is in the early 20th"}, {"start": "02:30:41", "end": "02:30:43", "text": "century when space travel is weird."}, {"start": "02:30:42", "end": "02:30:45", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:30:43", "end": "02:30:46", "text": ">> Okay. People think people who are"}, {"start": "02:30:45", "end": "02:30:48", "text": "interested in space travel, they think"}, {"start": "02:30:46", "end": "02:30:49", "text": "they're weird. Okay. So now we just"}, {"start": "02:30:48", "end": "02:30:51", "text": "think it's cool."}, {"start": "02:30:49", "end": "02:30:53", "text": ">> Yeah. It's Prib Sputnik. I mean the"}, {"start": "02:30:51", "end": "02:30:56", "text": "child Z is PB butnick."}, {"start": "02:30:53", "end": "02:31:00", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So okay. So Arthur C. Clark"}, {"start": "02:30:56", "end": "02:31:02", "text": "is writing about like writing about"}, {"start": "02:31:00", "end": "02:31:05", "text": "space travel and you know he's not doing"}, {"start": "02:31:02", "end": "02:31:07", "text": "sci-fi yet. He's kind of just doing"}, {"start": "02:31:05", "end": "02:31:09", "text": "writing for people lay people like"}, {"start": "02:31:07", "end": "02:31:11", "text": "trying to get them to on board with"}, {"start": "02:31:09", "end": "02:31:13", "text": "everyone. we're going to have a pretty"}, {"start": "02:31:11", "end": "02:31:14", "text": "cool future if we can like just get, you"}, {"start": "02:31:13", "end": "02:31:15", "text": "know, space fairing and this kind of"}, {"start": "02:31:14", "end": "02:31:17", "text": "stuff, right?"}, {"start": "02:31:15", "end": "02:31:20", "text": ">> And what he's doing is it's almost like"}, {"start": "02:31:17", "end": "02:31:22", "text": "a laboratory. Like he and the other"}, {"start": "02:31:20", "end": "02:31:24", "text": "science fiction people, they're not they"}, {"start": "02:31:22", "end": "02:31:27", "text": "begin to write science fiction. They're"}, {"start": "02:31:24", "end": "02:31:29", "text": "writing it with the understanding that"}, {"start": "02:31:27", "end": "02:31:30", "text": "what they're writing is going to happen."}, {"start": "02:31:29", "end": "02:31:33", "text": "Like they're going to help make it"}, {"start": "02:31:30", "end": "02:31:34", "text": "happen by writing about it. It's really"}, {"start": "02:31:33", "end": "02:31:36", "text": "interesting. I didn't know that they"}, {"start": "02:31:34", "end": "02:31:39", "text": "were so conscious about what intentional"}, {"start": "02:31:36", "end": "02:31:41", "text": "right about what they were doing. So, so"}, {"start": "02:31:39", "end": "02:31:44", "text": "I start with him there. Um, in my"}, {"start": "02:31:41", "end": "02:31:46", "text": "opinion, he's very influenced by"}, {"start": "02:31:44", "end": "02:31:49", "text": "Tayard's work of the global brain and"}, {"start": "02:31:46", "end": "02:31:50", "text": "the end of humanity in a way, you know."}, {"start": "02:31:49", "end": "02:31:55", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "02:31:50", "end": "02:31:57", "text": "so he's so but he doesn't credit him in"}, {"start": "02:31:55", "end": "02:32:00", "text": "in childhood's end. He does talk about"}, {"start": "02:31:57", "end": "02:32:02", "text": "him in his later work like in the 2000s."}, {"start": "02:32:00", "end": "02:32:04", "text": "He actually writes a lot about Tayard,"}, {"start": "02:32:02", "end": "02:32:06", "text": "but he doesn't credit him early. So, I"}, {"start": "02:32:04", "end": "02:32:07", "text": "can't honestly say that he was"}, {"start": "02:32:06", "end": "02:32:10", "text": "influenced by him if he's not crediting"}, {"start": "02:32:07", "end": "02:32:13", "text": "him. But how could he not be? Because"}, {"start": "02:32:10", "end": "02:32:16", "text": "Childhood's End is about a like an"}, {"start": "02:32:13", "end": "02:32:20", "text": "overmind, like a global brain, and it's"}, {"start": "02:32:16", "end": "02:32:22", "text": "being ushered in by these beings, right,"}, {"start": "02:32:20", "end": "02:32:24", "text": "that look really curious."}, {"start": "02:32:22", "end": "02:32:26", "text": ">> I'm not going to step on your punchline."}, {"start": "02:32:24", "end": "02:32:28", "text": "I I know the reveal in in the story,"}, {"start": "02:32:26", "end": "02:32:29", "text": ">> but I don't want to tell people if they"}, {"start": "02:32:28", "end": "02:32:31", "text": "haven't read it."}, {"start": "02:32:29", "end": "02:32:31", "text": ">> You don't No one's going to read it. You"}, {"start": "02:32:31", "end": "02:32:33", "text": "think okay"}, {"start": "02:32:31", "end": "02:32:35", "text": ">> we have to tell them because it gets"}, {"start": "02:32:33", "end": "02:32:35", "text": "into retrocausality which is so so"}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:38", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:40", "text": ">> It does. It does. Yeah. So Clark was so"}, {"start": "02:32:38", "end": "02:32:43", "text": "smart, right? Okay. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:32:40", "end": "02:32:44", "text": ">> So smart. Or we'll tell tell the story."}, {"start": "02:32:43", "end": "02:32:46", "text": ">> All right. So we'll start with the"}, {"start": "02:32:44", "end": "02:32:46", "text": "premise of childhood zen."}, {"start": "02:32:46", "end": "02:32:49", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:32:46", "end": "02:32:51", "text": ">> Okay. So the premise is that"}, {"start": "02:32:49", "end": "02:32:52", "text": ">> humans are hanging out, right? And then"}, {"start": "02:32:51", "end": "02:32:54", "text": "all of a sudden"}, {"start": "02:32:52", "end": "02:32:55", "text": ">> well we're fighting with each other with"}, {"start": "02:32:54", "end": "02:32:56", "text": ">> the normal things that humans do that we"}, {"start": "02:32:55", "end": "02:32:59", "text": "do."}, {"start": "02:32:56", "end": "02:33:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. And um it's in the future."}, {"start": "02:32:59", "end": "02:33:06", "text": "Okay. So is it our time, our time? You"}, {"start": "02:33:03", "end": "02:33:08", "text": "know, um maybe like, you know, Tayard"}, {"start": "02:33:06", "end": "02:33:10", "text": "was and Marshall McLoon, well, Marshall"}, {"start": "02:33:08", "end": "02:33:13", "text": "Mcclo was very clear. We're talking like"}, {"start": "02:33:10", "end": "02:33:16", "text": "21st century uh this new human. Uh he"}, {"start": "02:33:13", "end": "02:33:20", "text": "called it the ultra human. Uh Tayard"}, {"start": "02:33:16", "end": "02:33:22", "text": "called it the um uh No, Tayard called it"}, {"start": "02:33:20", "end": "02:33:24", "text": "the ultrahuman. Marshall McLuhan called"}, {"start": "02:33:22", "end": "02:33:26", "text": "it the super terrestrial. Right."}, {"start": "02:33:24", "end": "02:33:29", "text": ">> John Ke called it the ultraterrestrial."}, {"start": "02:33:26", "end": "02:33:32", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. And uh but"}, {"start": "02:33:29", "end": "02:33:34", "text": "what does uh Clark call it? Okay, Clark"}, {"start": "02:33:32", "end": "02:33:37", "text": "calls them humans, but what's going to"}, {"start": "02:33:34", "end": "02:33:41", "text": "happen to them? Okay, so what happens is"}, {"start": "02:33:37", "end": "02:33:44", "text": "that all over uh you see in the sky, you"}, {"start": "02:33:41", "end": "02:33:48", "text": "see like an alien invasion, right? So"}, {"start": "02:33:44", "end": "02:33:49", "text": "these ships come around in the sky and"}, {"start": "02:33:48", "end": "02:33:51", "text": "they stay there for a while and freak us"}, {"start": "02:33:49", "end": "02:33:53", "text": "out. And people kind of go about their"}, {"start": "02:33:51", "end": "02:33:54", "text": "day because, you know, what do you do?"}, {"start": "02:33:53", "end": "02:33:56", "text": "You know, they're just there. We can't"}, {"start": "02:33:54", "end": "02:33:57", "text": "get rid of them. Um, it's scary,"}, {"start": "02:33:56", "end": "02:33:59", "text": ">> but they're not doing anything"}, {"start": "02:33:57", "end": "02:34:01", "text": ">> and it's intimidating, right? They're"}, {"start": "02:33:59", "end": "02:34:01", "text": "basically saying, \"We're here.\""}, {"start": "02:34:01", "end": "02:34:05", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:34:01", "end": "02:34:08", "text": ">> So, it's an intimidating first contact"}, {"start": "02:34:05", "end": "02:34:10", "text": "and then they're a representative"}, {"start": "02:34:08", "end": "02:34:12", "text": "contacts us, but we don't get to see"}, {"start": "02:34:10", "end": "02:34:15", "text": "them. They just talk to us and they"}, {"start": "02:34:12", "end": "02:34:16", "text": "basically say, \"We mean you no harm.\""}, {"start": "02:34:15", "end": "02:34:17", "text": ">> Oh, right."}, {"start": "02:34:16", "end": "02:34:18", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "02:34:17", "end": "02:34:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:34:18", "end": "02:34:20", "text": ">> We're here to help."}, {"start": "02:34:19", "end": "02:34:23", "text": ">> That's right. We're here to help. Of"}, {"start": "02:34:20", "end": "02:34:24", "text": "course, people aren't stupid. So there"}, {"start": "02:34:23", "end": "02:34:26", "text": "are a lot of people who are like, \"No"}, {"start": "02:34:24", "end": "02:34:27", "text": "way. This is uncool. We don't like these"}, {"start": "02:34:26", "end": "02:34:28", "text": "these guys.\" But they're there and"}, {"start": "02:34:27", "end": "02:34:31", "text": "they're saying, \"We're not going to"}, {"start": "02:34:28", "end": "02:34:33", "text": "reveal ourselves for 50 years, right?\""}, {"start": "02:34:31", "end": "02:34:36", "text": "And people are like, \"Why?\" You know,"}, {"start": "02:34:33", "end": "02:34:38", "text": "and so during that 50 years though,"}, {"start": "02:34:36", "end": "02:34:40", "text": "they're utiliz there and they're making"}, {"start": "02:34:38", "end": "02:34:42", "text": "people aware that they're going to help"}, {"start": "02:34:40", "end": "02:34:43", "text": "us and they're going to do these things"}, {"start": "02:34:42", "end": "02:34:46", "text": "and, you know, they're going to bring"}, {"start": "02:34:43", "end": "02:34:47", "text": "some wonderful technologies to us that"}, {"start": "02:34:46", "end": "02:34:49", "text": "we could utilize."}, {"start": "02:34:47", "end": "02:34:52", "text": ">> They eliminate disease, war, poverty,"}, {"start": "02:34:49", "end": "02:34:54", "text": "hunger, it's all gone. And they're very"}, {"start": "02:34:52", "end": "02:34:58", "text": "so Clark Clark makes them very aware and"}, {"start": "02:34:54", "end": "02:35:00", "text": "and uh they're smart at using"}, {"start": "02:34:58", "end": "02:35:03", "text": "propaganda. Yes. Right. So they use"}, {"start": "02:35:00", "end": "02:35:06", "text": "propaganda and they say it's the best"}, {"start": "02:35:03", "end": "02:35:08", "text": "weapon. They say it's better than any"}, {"start": "02:35:06", "end": "02:35:10", "text": "kind of bomb."}, {"start": "02:35:08", "end": "02:35:11", "text": ">> It's better than anything."}, {"start": "02:35:10", "end": "02:35:12", "text": ">> So they utilizing it."}, {"start": "02:35:11", "end": "02:35:14", "text": ">> They said that you don't even need much"}, {"start": "02:35:12", "end": "02:35:16", "text": "power. It's how you use it."}, {"start": "02:35:14", "end": "02:35:17", "text": ">> You just need a radio."}, {"start": "02:35:16", "end": "02:35:20", "text": ">> This is being written in the 50s. That's"}, {"start": "02:35:17", "end": "02:35:22", "text": "right. TV isn't ubiquitous yet. So the"}, {"start": "02:35:20", "end": "02:35:24", "text": "radio is the thing. So they're utilizing"}, {"start": "02:35:22", "end": "02:35:25", "text": "radio to basically get people used to"}, {"start": "02:35:24", "end": "02:35:28", "text": "this and then they are going to show"}, {"start": "02:35:25", "end": "02:35:29", "text": "themselves. Okay. And this is"}, {"start": "02:35:28", "end": "02:35:31", "text": "interesting for various reasons that"}, {"start": "02:35:29", "end": "02:35:34", "text": "we've talked about so far in this"}, {"start": "02:35:31", "end": "02:35:35", "text": "podcast. Okay. One of which I'll get to."}, {"start": "02:35:34", "end": "02:35:38", "text": "Okay. Okay."}, {"start": "02:35:35", "end": "02:35:41", "text": ">> So what happens is that um the main guy"}, {"start": "02:35:38", "end": "02:35:43", "text": "Carellin right is going to show himself."}, {"start": "02:35:41", "end": "02:35:45", "text": "And so he announces it. He goes I'm"}, {"start": "02:35:43", "end": "02:35:48", "text": "going to meet you all finally. You know"}, {"start": "02:35:45", "end": "02:35:50", "text": "now you all are ready to meet me. And so"}, {"start": "02:35:48", "end": "02:35:51", "text": "millions of people all over the world"}, {"start": "02:35:50", "end": "02:35:53", "text": "are ready for this. So they're going to"}, {"start": "02:35:51", "end": "02:35:55", "text": "televise it. You know, hundreds of"}, {"start": "02:35:53", "end": "02:35:58", "text": "thousands of people show up. And then he"}, {"start": "02:35:55", "end": "02:36:00", "text": "shows himself and he says, well before"}, {"start": "02:35:58", "end": "02:36:02", "text": "he does that, he says, I'd like some"}, {"start": "02:36:00", "end": "02:36:04", "text": "children to come to me, right? And so a"}, {"start": "02:36:02", "end": "02:36:06", "text": "boy and a girl go, they walk over to"}, {"start": "02:36:04", "end": "02:36:08", "text": "him. As soon as they get to where he is"}, {"start": "02:36:06", "end": "02:36:11", "text": "and they nobody sees him yet, the girl"}, {"start": "02:36:08", "end": "02:36:14", "text": "and the boy flip up into like they start"}, {"start": "02:36:11", "end": "02:36:16", "text": "to float. So he has this kind of gravity"}, {"start": "02:36:14", "end": "02:36:19", "text": "that we've been talking about. He's got"}, {"start": "02:36:16", "end": "02:36:22", "text": "a private gravity and that's what uh"}, {"start": "02:36:19", "end": "02:36:24", "text": "that's what uh Arthur C. Clark calls it."}, {"start": "02:36:22", "end": "02:36:28", "text": "He said this being had its own private"}, {"start": "02:36:24", "end": "02:36:30", "text": "gravity, right? And so he comes out and"}, {"start": "02:36:28", "end": "02:36:34", "text": "he looks exactly like a demon. So he's"}, {"start": "02:36:30", "end": "02:36:35", "text": "got horns. He's got scales. He's got he"}, {"start": "02:36:34", "end": "02:36:35", "text": "looks red. You know, he looks like a"}, {"start": "02:36:35", "end": "02:36:37", "text": "demon, right?"}, {"start": "02:36:35", "end": "02:36:37", "text": ">> He's got the cloven hooves, the the"}, {"start": "02:36:37", "end": "02:36:39", "text": "tail."}, {"start": "02:36:37", "end": "02:36:43", "text": ">> That's right. Exactly like what we think"}, {"start": "02:36:39", "end": "02:36:45", "text": "of as a demon. The classical demon. And"}, {"start": "02:36:43", "end": "02:36:49", "text": "no one no one is really that upset"}, {"start": "02:36:45", "end": "02:36:50", "text": "except for some people who who faint,"}, {"start": "02:36:49", "end": "02:36:52", "text": "right? Right."}, {"start": "02:36:50", "end": "02:36:54", "text": ">> You know, but only like one or two"}, {"start": "02:36:52", "end": "02:36:56", "text": "people out of like a hundred thousand."}, {"start": "02:36:54", "end": "02:36:58", "text": "So he's already acclimated people"}, {"start": "02:36:56", "end": "02:37:00", "text": "against religion because they got rid of"}, {"start": "02:36:58", "end": "02:37:02", "text": "religion"}, {"start": "02:37:00", "end": "02:37:05", "text": ">> and they made they made it seem like it"}, {"start": "02:37:02", "end": "02:37:07", "text": "was um you know not rational."}, {"start": "02:37:05", "end": "02:37:08", "text": ">> You remember in the story the people in"}, {"start": "02:37:07", "end": "02:37:10", "text": "New Athens are saying these are demons"}, {"start": "02:37:08", "end": "02:37:11", "text": "and the younger people are saying you're"}, {"start": "02:37:10", "end": "02:37:14", "text": "just old and superstitious. That's"}, {"start": "02:37:11", "end": "02:37:17", "text": "right. Archaic. You're Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:37:14", "end": "02:37:19", "text": ">> So, okay. So, then we we see that the"}, {"start": "02:37:17", "end": "02:37:22", "text": "real thing that's going to happen though"}, {"start": "02:37:19", "end": "02:37:26", "text": "is not he's not going to take them over."}, {"start": "02:37:22", "end": "02:37:29", "text": "Um he's ushering in this like giant"}, {"start": "02:37:26", "end": "02:37:32", "text": "network mind that goes around the galaxy"}, {"start": "02:37:29", "end": "02:37:35", "text": "and usurps whole civilizations into it"}, {"start": "02:37:32", "end": "02:37:38", "text": "and they become likeworked up. And so"}, {"start": "02:37:35", "end": "02:37:41", "text": "they're targeting humans, the human"}, {"start": "02:37:38", "end": "02:37:43", "text": "children. So the the grown-ups are"}, {"start": "02:37:41", "end": "02:37:44", "text": "literally the last human beings."}, {"start": "02:37:43", "end": "02:37:46", "text": ">> The children start to show psychic"}, {"start": "02:37:44", "end": "02:37:48", "text": "powers and telepathy."}, {"start": "02:37:46", "end": "02:37:50", "text": ">> Yeah. They start to become one mind"}, {"start": "02:37:48", "end": "02:37:51", "text": ">> and they're speaking as one mind now,"}, {"start": "02:37:50", "end": "02:37:53", "text": "right? Individuality."}, {"start": "02:37:51", "end": "02:37:56", "text": ">> They're not just they speak as one mind"}, {"start": "02:37:53", "end": "02:37:59", "text": "and they act as one mind. And if you"}, {"start": "02:37:56", "end": "02:38:00", "text": "read it uh the descriptions of of the"}, {"start": "02:37:59", "end": "02:38:02", "text": "children,"}, {"start": "02:38:00", "end": "02:38:04", "text": "it looks terrible. It looks like they're"}, {"start": "02:38:02", "end": "02:38:06", "text": "zombies. They don't keep their, you"}, {"start": "02:38:04", "end": "02:38:08", "text": "know, they're not into hygiene, so their"}, {"start": "02:38:06", "end": "02:38:10", "text": "hair gets like matted and they have"}, {"start": "02:38:08", "end": "02:38:13", "text": "their clothes like their parents are now"}, {"start": "02:38:10", "end": "02:38:15", "text": "afraid of them, right? And so the the"}, {"start": "02:38:13", "end": "02:38:18", "text": "children literally get usurped into this"}, {"start": "02:38:15", "end": "02:38:20", "text": "network and those people that they're"}, {"start": "02:38:18", "end": "02:38:21", "text": "the last humans. So that's why it's"}, {"start": "02:38:20", "end": "02:38:24", "text": "called Childhood Zend."}, {"start": "02:38:21", "end": "02:38:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Um I think didn't they tell uh it"}, {"start": "02:38:24", "end": "02:38:28", "text": "was Jan I think is his name on the way"}, {"start": "02:38:26", "end": "02:38:29", "text": "back where they say whatever you think"}, {"start": "02:38:28", "end": "02:38:31", "text": "you're going to see, it's not going to"}, {"start": "02:38:29", "end": "02:38:33", "text": "be what you think you're going to see."}, {"start": "02:38:31", "end": "02:38:35", "text": ">> Yeah. And he and he's like has to force"}, {"start": "02:38:33", "end": "02:38:35", "text": "himself to he wants to look away but"}, {"start": "02:38:35", "end": "02:38:37", "text": "can't because"}, {"start": "02:38:35", "end": "02:38:38", "text": ">> Yeah. The the children are so horrifying"}, {"start": "02:38:37", "end": "02:38:39", "text": "to"}, {"start": "02:38:38", "end": "02:38:41", "text": ">> they're worse than corpses."}, {"start": "02:38:39", "end": "02:38:44", "text": ">> Yeah. They don't even seem like they"}, {"start": "02:38:41", "end": "02:38:46", "text": "have any kind of like they're like"}, {"start": "02:38:44", "end": "02:38:47", "text": "blank."}, {"start": "02:38:46", "end": "02:38:49", "text": ">> And then what happens? What's the happy"}, {"start": "02:38:47", "end": "02:38:50", "text": "ending to that?"}, {"start": "02:38:49", "end": "02:38:51", "text": ">> Well, it's a bad ending."}, {"start": "02:38:50", "end": "02:38:54", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:38:51", "end": "02:38:57", "text": ">> So the ending is is the end of humanity,"}, {"start": "02:38:54", "end": "02:38:59", "text": "the end of Earth and these beings or"}, {"start": "02:38:57", "end": "02:39:02", "text": "what we think is like the the end of"}, {"start": "02:38:59", "end": "02:39:04", "text": "Earth. Uh, it could very well just be"}, {"start": "02:39:02", "end": "02:39:06", "text": "that earth changes, but humanity is"}, {"start": "02:39:04", "end": "02:39:08", "text": "completely gone."}, {"start": "02:39:06", "end": "02:39:09", "text": ">> Now, the children absorb all the energy"}, {"start": "02:39:08", "end": "02:39:10", "text": "from the earth or something like that,"}, {"start": "02:39:09", "end": "02:39:13", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "02:39:10", "end": "02:39:16", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a little it's a for me it's a"}, {"start": "02:39:13", "end": "02:39:16", "text": "I should read it again, but it's it's"}, {"start": "02:39:16", "end": "02:39:18", "text": "the end."}, {"start": "02:39:16", "end": "02:39:21", "text": ">> It is the end. What I what I couldn't"}, {"start": "02:39:18", "end": "02:39:24", "text": "get from the story was what what Arthur"}, {"start": "02:39:21", "end": "02:39:27", "text": "C. Clark was trying to convey."}, {"start": "02:39:24", "end": "02:39:31", "text": ">> Oh, okay. So this is what I noticed was"}, {"start": "02:39:27", "end": "02:39:35", "text": "that in a lot of not just science"}, {"start": "02:39:31", "end": "02:39:39", "text": "fiction but media uh that portray"}, {"start": "02:39:35", "end": "02:39:43", "text": "this topic of alien you know uh contact"}, {"start": "02:39:39", "end": "02:39:47", "text": "with us uh often it replaces religion or"}, {"start": "02:39:43", "end": "02:39:49", "text": "completely uh discredits religion. Now"}, {"start": "02:39:47", "end": "02:39:50", "text": "I'm not trying to be a conspiracy"}, {"start": "02:39:49", "end": "02:39:52", "text": "theorist and say there's a bunch of"}, {"start": "02:39:50", "end": "02:39:56", "text": "these guys are doing this. Maybe that's"}, {"start": "02:39:52", "end": "02:39:58", "text": "true. But that's just a fact. So if you"}, {"start": "02:39:56", "end": "02:40:00", "text": "look at all of this, if you look at"}, {"start": "02:39:58", "end": "02:40:02", "text": "this, if you spend time reading this"}, {"start": "02:40:00", "end": "02:40:04", "text": "history, you know, the history of sci-fi"}, {"start": "02:40:02", "end": "02:40:08", "text": "and also what we see in the media even"}, {"start": "02:40:04", "end": "02:40:10", "text": "with Star Wars, right? Um you see re we"}, {"start": "02:40:08", "end": "02:40:14", "text": "see traditional religions that get"}, {"start": "02:40:10", "end": "02:40:16", "text": "usurped under this uh new form what I"}, {"start": "02:40:14", "end": "02:40:18", "text": "call this new form of religion which is"}, {"start": "02:40:16", "end": "02:40:23", "text": "belief in extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "02:40:18", "end": "02:40:24", "text": "replacing because the belief in God is"}, {"start": "02:40:23", "end": "02:40:29", "text": "superstitious that's how it's made out"}, {"start": "02:40:24", "end": "02:40:31", "text": "to be whereas the belief in um in aliens"}, {"start": "02:40:29", "end": "02:40:34", "text": "of course that makes perfect sense right"}, {"start": "02:40:31", "end": "02:40:36", "text": "so that so there's a a there's that is"}, {"start": "02:40:34", "end": "02:40:39", "text": "happening you You can see it. There's"}, {"start": "02:40:36", "end": "02:40:41", "text": "I'm not making it up. Go and read these"}, {"start": "02:40:39", "end": "02:40:44", "text": "things. You'll see it. Uh case in point,"}, {"start": "02:40:41", "end": "02:40:46", "text": "like with uh Star Wars, The Last Jedi,"}, {"start": "02:40:44", "end": "02:40:48", "text": "and then the one before that, I can't"}, {"start": "02:40:46", "end": "02:40:52", "text": "remember, The Force Awakens. I think in"}, {"start": "02:40:48", "end": "02:40:54", "text": "these two movies you have the very"}, {"start": "02:40:52", "end": "02:40:57", "text": "beginning of western Christianity which"}, {"start": "02:40:54", "end": "02:41:00", "text": "is in um you know not in Rome but you"}, {"start": "02:40:57", "end": "02:41:02", "text": "see it in Ireland in this place called"}, {"start": "02:41:00", "end": "02:41:04", "text": "Skeleig Michael which is this these"}, {"start": "02:41:02", "end": "02:41:08", "text": "really beautiful rocks off the coast of"}, {"start": "02:41:04", "end": "02:41:11", "text": "Ireland and this is where monks uh lived"}, {"start": "02:41:08", "end": "02:41:13", "text": "in the fifth century s no the 500s so"}, {"start": "02:41:11", "end": "02:41:16", "text": "it's pretty early on in Christianity and"}, {"start": "02:41:13", "end": "02:41:17", "text": "they're going to you know spread"}, {"start": "02:41:16", "end": "02:41:19", "text": "Christianity"}, {"start": "02:41:17", "end": "02:41:22", "text": "But they're they're at this place."}, {"start": "02:41:19", "end": "02:41:24", "text": "That's the that's where Luke Skywalker"}, {"start": "02:41:22", "end": "02:41:26", "text": "is the that's where he trains Jedi."}, {"start": "02:41:24", "end": "02:41:29", "text": "That's where Jedi are trained. That's"}, {"start": "02:41:26", "end": "02:41:31", "text": "where they filmed was like the heart of"}, {"start": "02:41:29", "end": "02:41:34", "text": "Western Christianity is now the heart of"}, {"start": "02:41:31", "end": "02:41:36", "text": "the Jedi religion. And that is a"}, {"start": "02:41:34", "end": "02:41:37", "text": "religion now. By the way, the Jedi"}, {"start": "02:41:36", "end": "02:41:40", "text": "religion is a religion. Sure."}, {"start": "02:41:37", "end": "02:41:41", "text": ">> So, you know, when you see this, you"}, {"start": "02:41:40", "end": "02:41:43", "text": "can't unsee this."}, {"start": "02:41:41", "end": "02:41:45", "text": ">> You start to like look at the media,"}, {"start": "02:41:43", "end": "02:41:48", "text": "you're like, \"Wow, okay. It's happening"}, {"start": "02:41:45", "end": "02:41:50", "text": "there, too.\" And this is not anything"}, {"start": "02:41:48", "end": "02:41:52", "text": "I'm making up. Do I say it's on purpose?"}, {"start": "02:41:50", "end": "02:41:55", "text": "I don't know if it's on purpose. Is it?"}, {"start": "02:41:52", "end": "02:41:57", "text": "But it's definitely something that's uh"}, {"start": "02:41:55", "end": "02:42:00", "text": "it's like a snowball effect. It's"}, {"start": "02:41:57", "end": "02:42:02", "text": "definitely something that's progressing."}, {"start": "02:42:00", "end": "02:42:06", "text": ">> Do you think the people who whoever they"}, {"start": "02:42:02", "end": "02:42:08", "text": "are in charge like that analogy? Maybe"}, {"start": "02:42:06", "end": "02:42:09", "text": "it's not an analogy that it's becoming a"}, {"start": "02:42:08", "end": "02:42:10", "text": "religion. Do you think they want that to"}, {"start": "02:42:09", "end": "02:42:13", "text": "be a religion?"}, {"start": "02:42:10", "end": "02:42:16", "text": ">> I do. Religion is very powerful."}, {"start": "02:42:13", "end": "02:42:19", "text": "thing you know like people in the name"}, {"start": "02:42:16", "end": "02:42:23", "text": "of religion will die for religion"}, {"start": "02:42:19", "end": "02:42:24", "text": ">> it is very powerful so um yeah I think"}, {"start": "02:42:23", "end": "02:42:26", "text": "so"}, {"start": "02:42:24", "end": "02:42:29", "text": ">> sure create an entire don't create a"}, {"start": "02:42:26", "end": "02:42:30", "text": "belief create a whole belief system"}, {"start": "02:42:29", "end": "02:42:34", "text": ">> but they they're controlling the system"}, {"start": "02:42:30", "end": "02:42:35", "text": "they're writing the Bible"}, {"start": "02:42:34", "end": "02:42:38", "text": ">> I don't know if that's a great I don't"}, {"start": "02:42:35", "end": "02:42:40", "text": "know if that's great for us"}, {"start": "02:42:38", "end": "02:42:43", "text": ">> um okay I'll tell you why I don't think"}, {"start": "02:42:40", "end": "02:42:46", "text": "it's great I have a specific reason and"}, {"start": "02:42:43", "end": "02:42:48", "text": "it has to do with how when you look at"}, {"start": "02:42:46", "end": "02:42:51", "text": "Marshall McLuhan and you look at Ta"}, {"start": "02:42:48", "end": "02:42:53", "text": "Tard's work they keep the spiritual"}, {"start": "02:42:51", "end": "02:42:56", "text": "sense and in fact if you read their work"}, {"start": "02:42:53", "end": "02:42:58", "text": "you cannot get away from the fact that"}, {"start": "02:42:56", "end": "02:43:01", "text": "the spiritual sense worked in their"}, {"start": "02:42:58", "end": "02:43:02", "text": "lives they see things that we don't see"}, {"start": "02:43:01", "end": "02:43:05", "text": "because of their sense their spiritual"}, {"start": "02:43:02", "end": "02:43:07", "text": "sense they cultivated it and it's alive"}, {"start": "02:43:05", "end": "02:43:09", "text": "for them like seeing and touch and"}, {"start": "02:43:07", "end": "02:43:13", "text": "hearing is alive for us that's"}, {"start": "02:43:09", "end": "02:43:16", "text": "absolutely absent in childhood ood's end"}, {"start": "02:43:13", "end": "02:43:19", "text": ">> totally absent. In fact, there's a scene"}, {"start": "02:43:16", "end": "02:43:21", "text": "in childhood's end where he basically"}, {"start": "02:43:19", "end": "02:43:24", "text": "says that this is the worst part of"}, {"start": "02:43:21", "end": "02:43:26", "text": "humans, the spiritual sense, right? So,"}, {"start": "02:43:24", "end": "02:43:30", "text": "it's a scene with a uh seance, a seance,"}, {"start": "02:43:26", "end": "02:43:31", "text": "and uh this woman who is the one who's"}, {"start": "02:43:30", "end": "02:43:34", "text": "going to have the child who's going to"}, {"start": "02:43:31", "end": "02:43:37", "text": "be absorbed first into the overmind uh"}, {"start": "02:43:34", "end": "02:43:39", "text": "she's the mother and uh she has a"}, {"start": "02:43:37", "end": "02:43:42", "text": "cultivated spiritual sense so that the"}, {"start": "02:43:39", "end": "02:43:46", "text": "overmind identifies her"}, {"start": "02:43:42", "end": "02:43:49", "text": "And um and what happens is that uh"}, {"start": "02:43:46", "end": "02:43:51", "text": "they're going to definitely like they're"}, {"start": "02:43:49", "end": "02:43:55", "text": "going to her offspring are going to be"}, {"start": "02:43:51", "end": "02:43:56", "text": "the ones that they're going to colonize,"}, {"start": "02:43:55", "end": "02:43:59", "text": "right? So they're going to colonize the"}, {"start": "02:43:56", "end": "02:44:01", "text": "spiritual sense. And not just that, but"}, {"start": "02:43:59", "end": "02:44:03", "text": "he talks about it in derogatory terms."}, {"start": "02:44:01", "end": "02:44:05", "text": "The spiritual sense is the worst thing"}, {"start": "02:44:03", "end": "02:44:07", "text": "in humans, right? This mystical sense"}, {"start": "02:44:05", "end": "02:44:09", "text": "that they have and they kind of think"}, {"start": "02:44:07", "end": "02:44:11", "text": "it's disgusting and and don't like it."}, {"start": "02:44:09", "end": "02:44:15", "text": "So yeah, so it's the spiritual sense"}, {"start": "02:44:11", "end": "02:44:17", "text": "that we're seeing again um"}, {"start": "02:44:15", "end": "02:44:19", "text": "changed, right?"}, {"start": "02:44:17", "end": "02:44:20", "text": ">> Do we all have that spiritual sense?"}, {"start": "02:44:19", "end": "02:44:21", "text": ">> Everyone is born with it. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:44:20", "end": "02:44:24", "text": ">> we are."}, {"start": "02:44:21", "end": "02:44:25", "text": ">> Yeah, for sure. All people are all the"}, {"start": "02:44:24", "end": "02:44:27", "text": "religions of the world. If you look at"}, {"start": "02:44:25", "end": "02:44:31", "text": "them, they they all the traditional"}, {"start": "02:44:27", "end": "02:44:33", "text": "religions. They focus on the cultivation"}, {"start": "02:44:31", "end": "02:44:37", "text": "of this sense like what how do you"}, {"start": "02:44:33", "end": "02:44:40", "text": "cultivate it? Well, uh you pray. um you"}, {"start": "02:44:37", "end": "02:44:42", "text": "can fast uh you live a life that"}, {"start": "02:44:40", "end": "02:44:43", "text": "cultivates things called the virtues and"}, {"start": "02:44:42", "end": "02:44:45", "text": "you can see this in all the religious"}, {"start": "02:44:43", "end": "02:44:47", "text": "traditions Buddhism like you know what"}, {"start": "02:44:45", "end": "02:44:50", "text": "meditation what are they doing they're"}, {"start": "02:44:47", "end": "02:44:52", "text": "cultivating this sense right and so uh"}, {"start": "02:44:50", "end": "02:44:54", "text": "all the religious traditions knew about"}, {"start": "02:44:52", "end": "02:45:00", "text": "this and cultivated it for the benefit"}, {"start": "02:44:54", "end": "02:45:02", "text": "of the social group all of them um"}, {"start": "02:45:00", "end": "02:45:04", "text": "and so yeah we don't want to get rid of"}, {"start": "02:45:02", "end": "02:45:06", "text": "that and that's just that would be that"}, {"start": "02:45:04", "end": "02:45:07", "text": "would change human beings Well, this is"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:09", "text": "another argument for social media being"}, {"start": "02:45:07", "end": "02:45:10", "text": "the antichrist is because that's"}, {"start": "02:45:09", "end": "02:45:12", "text": "blocking that."}, {"start": "02:45:10", "end": "02:45:14", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:45:12", "end": "02:45:17", "text": ">> It's interesting that, you know, all the"}, {"start": "02:45:14", "end": "02:45:19", "text": "the tech bros are into fasting and"}, {"start": "02:45:17", "end": "02:45:21", "text": "meditation and it's it's all these like"}, {"start": "02:45:19", "end": "02:45:22", "text": "monastic rituals that they're doing. I"}, {"start": "02:45:21", "end": "02:45:24", "text": "don't even know if they'd know they're"}, {"start": "02:45:22", "end": "02:45:28", "text": "doing that. That you're basically monks."}, {"start": "02:45:24", "end": "02:45:30", "text": ">> Yeah, that's right. That's right."}, {"start": "02:45:28", "end": "02:45:32", "text": ">> Who was it who talked about religion"}, {"start": "02:45:30", "end": "02:45:35", "text": "being a way to protect us from violence?"}, {"start": "02:45:32", "end": "02:45:40", "text": ">> Okay. So this is this is Renee Gerard."}, {"start": "02:45:35", "end": "02:45:44", "text": "Uh Renee Gerard is a a French theorist"}, {"start": "02:45:40", "end": "02:45:46", "text": "who uh is contemporary with us. He died"}, {"start": "02:45:44", "end": "02:45:50", "text": "only recently actually."}, {"start": "02:45:46", "end": "02:45:52", "text": ">> And so he was an atheist um or agnostic."}, {"start": "02:45:50", "end": "02:45:52", "text": "He wasn't religious at all"}, {"start": "02:45:52", "end": "02:45:53", "text": ">> at first."}, {"start": "02:45:52", "end": "02:45:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:45:53", "end": "02:45:57", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "02:45:53", "end": "02:45:59", "text": ">> Yeah. And so he went through uh reading"}, {"start": "02:45:57", "end": "02:46:02", "text": "the traditions of the Bible, actually"}, {"start": "02:45:59", "end": "02:46:05", "text": "reading um the Hebrew scriptures and"}, {"start": "02:46:02", "end": "02:46:08", "text": "then the New Testament and uh through"}, {"start": "02:46:05", "end": "02:46:11", "text": "that he recognized that there was a"}, {"start": "02:46:08", "end": "02:46:14", "text": "mechanism at work and that he this was"}, {"start": "02:46:11", "end": "02:46:16", "text": "the mechanism of nonviolence and he saw"}, {"start": "02:46:14", "end": "02:46:17", "text": "this because you know if you do read the"}, {"start": "02:46:16", "end": "02:46:19", "text": "Bible you'll notice that there are like"}, {"start": "02:46:17", "end": "02:46:21", "text": "sacrifices of like children and stuff."}, {"start": "02:46:19", "end": "02:46:23", "text": "You're like oh my goodness you know"}, {"start": "02:46:21", "end": "02:46:25", "text": "what's up with that right? Does God"}, {"start": "02:46:23", "end": "02:46:28", "text": "require that? And so what you see though"}, {"start": "02:46:25", "end": "02:46:29", "text": "is that the Hebrew Bible, the Hebrew"}, {"start": "02:46:28", "end": "02:46:32", "text": "scriptures are pushing back against"}, {"start": "02:46:29", "end": "02:46:34", "text": "that. Pushing back against that, you"}, {"start": "02:46:32", "end": "02:46:37", "text": "have Abraham, you know, the push back"}, {"start": "02:46:34", "end": "02:46:39", "text": "against his sacrifice of his son. And"}, {"start": "02:46:37", "end": "02:46:41", "text": "then when you get to"}, {"start": "02:46:39", "end": "02:46:43", "text": ">> That's right. That might might have been"}, {"start": "02:46:41", "end": "02:46:43", "text": "the first one where a sacrifice is"}, {"start": "02:46:43", "end": "02:46:46", "text": "stopped."}, {"start": "02:46:43", "end": "02:46:50", "text": ">> Yeah. By an angel, a messenger of God."}, {"start": "02:46:46", "end": "02:46:55", "text": ">> Right. And so so uh then you know so you"}, {"start": "02:46:50", "end": "02:46:58", "text": "have to understand that in history uh a"}, {"start": "02:46:55", "end": "02:47:00", "text": "lot of cultures so he so sacrifices at"}, {"start": "02:46:58", "end": "02:47:04", "text": "the basis for a lot of cultures like you"}, {"start": "02:47:00", "end": "02:47:07", "text": "know human sacrifice and then animal"}, {"start": "02:47:04", "end": "02:47:10", "text": "sacrifice and you know uh all right that"}, {"start": "02:47:07", "end": "02:47:12", "text": "said he sees Christianity as an answer"}, {"start": "02:47:10", "end": "02:47:15", "text": "to that type of violence. It's a"}, {"start": "02:47:12", "end": "02:47:18", "text": "specific type of violence that he thinks"}, {"start": "02:47:15", "end": "02:47:20", "text": "is bad, is really terrible. And if"}, {"start": "02:47:18", "end": "02:47:22", "text": "you're the recipient of being bullied,"}, {"start": "02:47:20", "end": "02:47:24", "text": "if you're the recipient of of group"}, {"start": "02:47:22", "end": "02:47:27", "text": "violence, of being cancelled today, you"}, {"start": "02:47:24", "end": "02:47:29", "text": "know, you know that this is a a bummer"}, {"start": "02:47:27", "end": "02:47:32", "text": "experience. Okay? And people seem to"}, {"start": "02:47:29", "end": "02:47:35", "text": "enjoy piling on. So there's like an"}, {"start": "02:47:32", "end": "02:47:37", "text": "enjoyment that people get from it, which"}, {"start": "02:47:35", "end": "02:47:38", "text": "I think is pretty sick, frankly. But you"}, {"start": "02:47:37", "end": "02:47:40", "text": "know, people who do that, shame on you"}, {"start": "02:47:38", "end": "02:47:42", "text": "for doing that. Just stop doing that."}, {"start": "02:47:40", "end": "02:47:43", "text": "you know, life will be better for"}, {"start": "02:47:42", "end": "02:47:43", "text": "everyone if you just don't do that kind"}, {"start": "02:47:43", "end": "02:47:45", "text": "of thing."}, {"start": "02:47:43", "end": "02:47:47", "text": ">> I think we've turned a corner on a lot"}, {"start": "02:47:45", "end": "02:47:49", "text": "of that. Was um was Gerard with the uh"}, {"start": "02:47:47", "end": "02:47:50", "text": "was he the one with the scapegoat"}, {"start": "02:47:49", "end": "02:47:51", "text": "theory?"}, {"start": "02:47:50", "end": "02:47:53", "text": ">> Yes. So, this is the the theory of the"}, {"start": "02:47:51", "end": "02:47:55", "text": "scapegoat. So, what he came to"}, {"start": "02:47:53", "end": "02:47:58", "text": "understand was that this type of"}, {"start": "02:47:55", "end": "02:48:00", "text": "violence was uh was at the basis of"}, {"start": "02:47:58", "end": "02:48:03", "text": "Christianity and Christianity was the"}, {"start": "02:48:00", "end": "02:48:06", "text": "first uh so he became Christian because"}, {"start": "02:48:03", "end": "02:48:08", "text": "of it. Okay. So long story short, he"}, {"start": "02:48:06", "end": "02:48:11", "text": "converted and became a super Christian."}, {"start": "02:48:08", "end": "02:48:13", "text": "And then all of his writing was about"}, {"start": "02:48:11", "end": "02:48:15", "text": "what he called the scapegoat mechanism"}, {"start": "02:48:13", "end": "02:48:18", "text": "and how it functioned in culture. And he"}, {"start": "02:48:15", "end": "02:48:22", "text": "said that most religion because people"}, {"start": "02:48:18", "end": "02:48:26", "text": "feel um they'll kill uh there. So his"}, {"start": "02:48:22", "end": "02:48:30", "text": "idea was this was that a society tends"}, {"start": "02:48:26", "end": "02:48:32", "text": "to become violent and they you in order"}, {"start": "02:48:30", "end": "02:48:34", "text": "to resolve that violence they identify a"}, {"start": "02:48:32", "end": "02:48:36", "text": "scapegoat and then they get rid of the"}, {"start": "02:48:34", "end": "02:48:38", "text": "scapegoat. The violence goes away for a"}, {"start": "02:48:36", "end": "02:48:40", "text": "while but then the the whole cycle"}, {"start": "02:48:38", "end": "02:48:42", "text": "repeats again but they feel really"}, {"start": "02:48:40", "end": "02:48:44", "text": "guilty about killing that scapegoat and"}, {"start": "02:48:42", "end": "02:48:47", "text": "that's where religion comes in. So"}, {"start": "02:48:44", "end": "02:48:49", "text": "religion comes in as a way to deceive"}, {"start": "02:48:47", "end": "02:48:52", "text": "people into thinking it was a necessary"}, {"start": "02:48:49", "end": "02:48:54", "text": "a justified violent act. Um I was"}, {"start": "02:48:52", "end": "02:48:57", "text": "surprised to learn that you know Romans"}, {"start": "02:48:54", "end": "02:48:59", "text": "didn't consider themselves to be people"}, {"start": "02:48:57", "end": "02:49:01", "text": "who sacrificed humans. They looked at"}, {"start": "02:48:59", "end": "02:49:03", "text": "like people other cultures and they say"}, {"start": "02:49:01", "end": "02:49:04", "text": "those people are horrible because they"}, {"start": "02:49:03", "end": "02:49:07", "text": "kill people like they sacrifice people."}, {"start": "02:49:04", "end": "02:49:07", "text": "We don't do that. But they did do that"}, {"start": "02:49:07", "end": "02:49:10", "text": "of course."}, {"start": "02:49:07", "end": "02:49:12", "text": ">> So the gladiator games were literally"}, {"start": "02:49:10", "end": "02:49:13", "text": "religious events right to their gods and"}, {"start": "02:49:12", "end": "02:49:15", "text": "goddesses. That's what we don't"}, {"start": "02:49:13", "end": "02:49:17", "text": "understand that. We're like, those were"}, {"start": "02:49:15", "end": "02:49:19", "text": "pretty weird events that they had,"}, {"start": "02:49:17", "end": "02:49:20", "text": "right, with the gladiators and so forth."}, {"start": "02:49:19", "end": "02:49:22", "text": "Well, they were religious events and"}, {"start": "02:49:20", "end": "02:49:24", "text": "they would invoke whatever god or"}, {"start": "02:49:22", "end": "02:49:26", "text": "goddess, you know, at the time they were"}, {"start": "02:49:24", "end": "02:49:28", "text": "invoking Roman god or goddess and they"}, {"start": "02:49:26", "end": "02:49:30", "text": "would take people that were vulnerable"}, {"start": "02:49:28", "end": "02:49:33", "text": "like prisoners of war or gladiators and"}, {"start": "02:49:30", "end": "02:49:34", "text": "they would dress them up as the gods and"}, {"start": "02:49:33", "end": "02:49:36", "text": "then they would kill them. They would"}, {"start": "02:49:34", "end": "02:49:38", "text": "reenact their killing. And this you"}, {"start": "02:49:36", "end": "02:49:40", "text": "could see even Aztecs did this, okay,"}, {"start": "02:49:38", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "with I mean these cultures didn't know"}, {"start": "02:49:40", "end": "02:49:45", "text": "each other. So this shows that there's"}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:47", "text": "like this template to human sacrifice."}, {"start": "02:49:45", "end": "02:49:49", "text": ">> Oh, it goes on forever. I mean, Hitler"}, {"start": "02:49:47", "end": "02:49:50", "text": "did the same thing. Scapegoating is"}, {"start": "02:49:49", "end": "02:49:52", "text": "another form of propaganda."}, {"start": "02:49:50", "end": "02:49:54", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. It's a"}, {"start": "02:49:52", "end": "02:49:57", "text": "terrible propaganda. So that's what"}, {"start": "02:49:54", "end": "02:50:01", "text": "Gerard identified. The basis of human"}, {"start": "02:49:57", "end": "02:50:03", "text": "cultures that aren't self-aware are like"}, {"start": "02:50:01", "end": "02:50:05", "text": "this. Well, Christianity came along to"}, {"start": "02:50:03", "end": "02:50:07", "text": "challenge it to basically say this is"}, {"start": "02:50:05", "end": "02:50:10", "text": "what he believed. Christianity came"}, {"start": "02:50:07", "end": "02:50:12", "text": "along to basically say stop doing that."}, {"start": "02:50:10", "end": "02:50:14", "text": "Right? this is how you cannot do it."}, {"start": "02:50:12", "end": "02:50:16", "text": "Jesus will be the last sacrifice. You"}, {"start": "02:50:14", "end": "02:50:18", "text": "won't have to do it anymore. Right? And"}, {"start": "02:50:16", "end": "02:50:20", "text": "so it that's what it became. It it"}, {"start": "02:50:18", "end": "02:50:23", "text": "fought back. That's why it fought back"}, {"start": "02:50:20", "end": "02:50:25", "text": "Rome. So some of the early Christians"}, {"start": "02:50:23", "end": "02:50:27", "text": "who fought back were like Perpetual who"}, {"start": "02:50:25", "end": "02:50:30", "text": "was a a woman from Carthage, 20 years"}, {"start": "02:50:27", "end": "02:50:32", "text": "old or so, 21. And she refused. She was,"}, {"start": "02:50:30", "end": "02:50:35", "text": "you know, going to be put into the"}, {"start": "02:50:32", "end": "02:50:36", "text": "gladiator games, dressed up as Siri. I"}, {"start": "02:50:35", "end": "02:50:38", "text": "think that was the goddess. And she"}, {"start": "02:50:36", "end": "02:50:40", "text": "refused. She said, \"I'm not dressing up."}, {"start": "02:50:38", "end": "02:50:42", "text": "You can kill me. I don't care. I'm dying"}, {"start": "02:50:40", "end": "02:50:44", "text": "for Jesus, but I am not going to be"}, {"start": "02:50:42", "end": "02:50:46", "text": "dressed up as your goddess. And she"}, {"start": "02:50:44", "end": "02:50:49", "text": "refused. And that went around like"}, {"start": "02:50:46", "end": "02:50:51", "text": "wildfire because people didn't like"}, {"start": "02:50:49", "end": "02:50:52", "text": "Rome. Rome was doing this all over the"}, {"start": "02:50:51", "end": "02:50:54", "text": "place, right? So they pushed back and"}, {"start": "02:50:52", "end": "02:50:57", "text": "Christianity became a resistance"}, {"start": "02:50:54", "end": "02:50:58", "text": "movement to the empire's violence."}, {"start": "02:50:57", "end": "02:51:00", "text": ">> About what year was Perpetual? Because"}, {"start": "02:50:58", "end": "02:51:02", "text": "we can read her diary from prison."}, {"start": "02:51:00", "end": "02:51:05", "text": ">> That's right. Yes, you can. So I think"}, {"start": "02:51:02", "end": "02:51:08", "text": "she was like two 200 203."}, {"start": "02:51:05", "end": "02:51:09", "text": ">> Oh, okay. Rome was already quite a mess."}, {"start": "02:51:08", "end": "02:51:11", "text": "So I I was wondering if it was first"}, {"start": "02:51:09", "end": "02:51:13", "text": "century if it was after after the sack"}, {"start": "02:51:11", "end": "02:51:15", "text": "of Jerusalem. It was after"}, {"start": "02:51:13", "end": "02:51:16", "text": ">> it was almost Yeah, it was after that"}, {"start": "02:51:15", "end": "02:51:18", "text": "after that."}, {"start": "02:51:16", "end": "02:51:21", "text": ">> Um her diary is very touching."}, {"start": "02:51:18", "end": "02:51:23", "text": ">> It's very sad. Yeah. So she writes, so"}, {"start": "02:51:21", "end": "02:51:26", "text": "this is the first document that we have"}, {"start": "02:51:23", "end": "02:51:28", "text": "by a Christian woman. Um and she writes"}, {"start": "02:51:26", "end": "02:51:32", "text": "about her own impending death. And just"}, {"start": "02:51:28", "end": "02:51:35", "text": "as she's just about to go into to be"}, {"start": "02:51:32", "end": "02:51:36", "text": "killed in the game, um her friends take"}, {"start": "02:51:35", "end": "02:51:39", "text": "over and write the diary."}, {"start": "02:51:36", "end": "02:51:42", "text": ">> Oh, okay. So, it's a partial"}, {"start": "02:51:39", "end": "02:51:44", "text": "autobiography and partial biography with"}, {"start": "02:51:42", "end": "02:51:47", "text": "some with parts of it that are what we"}, {"start": "02:51:44", "end": "02:51:50", "text": "call hey geographic like"}, {"start": "02:51:47", "end": "02:51:52", "text": ">> uh what you'd call poetic license,"}, {"start": "02:51:50", "end": "02:51:52", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "02:51:52", "end": "02:51:54", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "02:51:52", "end": "02:51:55", "text": ">> but it was real. It's actually a fact"}, {"start": "02:51:54", "end": "02:51:59", "text": "that she was killed for sure"}, {"start": "02:51:55", "end": "02:52:01", "text": ">> and that her resistance became the"}, {"start": "02:51:59", "end": "02:52:03", "text": "Christian resistance. Right."}, {"start": "02:52:01", "end": "02:52:05", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean her diary is very touching."}, {"start": "02:52:03", "end": "02:52:07", "text": "It's short. Everyone should read it. It"}, {"start": "02:52:05", "end": "02:52:08", "text": "ends with the word amen. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:52:07", "end": "02:52:10", "text": ">> Well, how does uh mimemetic theory work?"}, {"start": "02:52:08", "end": "02:52:10", "text": "That was new to me to learn about that."}, {"start": "02:52:10", "end": "02:52:12", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "02:52:10", "end": "02:52:13", "text": ">> And I think it might be it might be on"}, {"start": "02:52:12", "end": "02:52:17", "text": "to something."}, {"start": "02:52:13", "end": "02:52:19", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. So this is the idea. Um and"}, {"start": "02:52:17", "end": "02:52:21", "text": "this is known by lots and lots of people"}, {"start": "02:52:19", "end": "02:52:23", "text": "who research like human development and"}, {"start": "02:52:21", "end": "02:52:26", "text": "so forth. Uh he you know monkey see"}, {"start": "02:52:23", "end": "02:52:29", "text": "monkey do like human beings mimic. In"}, {"start": "02:52:26", "end": "02:52:31", "text": "order to learn we first mimic right in"}, {"start": "02:52:29", "end": "02:52:34", "text": "order to learn talk speech we mimic and"}, {"start": "02:52:31", "end": "02:52:36", "text": "stuff. So, it's a kind of a built-in um"}, {"start": "02:52:34", "end": "02:52:38", "text": "way in which human beings are right."}, {"start": "02:52:36", "end": "02:52:40", "text": "We're built that way. What happens"}, {"start": "02:52:38", "end": "02:52:44", "text": "though is that"}, {"start": "02:52:40", "end": "02:52:47", "text": "um it it becomes destructive when we"}, {"start": "02:52:44", "end": "02:52:49", "text": "want when we want something that another"}, {"start": "02:52:47", "end": "02:52:51", "text": "person has and we're willing to kill"}, {"start": "02:52:49", "end": "02:52:52", "text": "that person for it, right? And but we"}, {"start": "02:52:51", "end": "02:52:54", "text": "have to understand that the only reason"}, {"start": "02:52:52", "end": "02:52:57", "text": "we want what they have is because they"}, {"start": "02:52:54", "end": "02:52:59", "text": "want it. So, in a sense, we're mimicking"}, {"start": "02:52:57", "end": "02:53:00", "text": "their want. And you could really see"}, {"start": "02:52:59", "end": "02:53:03", "text": "this in social media right now."}, {"start": "02:53:00", "end": "02:53:04", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. So the likes. So if you go to"}, {"start": "02:53:03", "end": "02:53:08", "text": "and by the way a lot of those likes are"}, {"start": "02:53:04", "end": "02:53:11", "text": "bots. Okay. But that's a scary thing"}, {"start": "02:53:08", "end": "02:53:13", "text": "like we can now create the the scapegoat"}, {"start": "02:53:11", "end": "02:53:18", "text": "mechanism and mimemetic theory. So this"}, {"start": "02:53:13", "end": "02:53:21", "text": "idea that we mimic each other's desires."}, {"start": "02:53:18", "end": "02:53:24", "text": "So let's take um you know let's take a"}, {"start": "02:53:21", "end": "02:53:26", "text": "YouTube channel right? Um, okay. So,"}, {"start": "02:53:24", "end": "02:53:28", "text": "this YouTube channel has I don't know a"}, {"start": "02:53:26", "end": "02:53:31", "text": "couple million subscribers and we're"}, {"start": "02:53:28", "end": "02:53:32", "text": "like that person must we must listen to"}, {"start": "02:53:31", "end": "02:53:34", "text": "that person because they have so many"}, {"start": "02:53:32", "end": "02:53:35", "text": "subscribers, right?"}, {"start": "02:53:34", "end": "02:53:38", "text": ">> But what if like most of those"}, {"start": "02:53:35", "end": "02:53:40", "text": "subscribers are not real. Um, so that's"}, {"start": "02:53:38", "end": "02:53:44", "text": "how it can be generated. So, we can have"}, {"start": "02:53:40", "end": "02:53:47", "text": "our own tastes generated. Uh, look at,"}, {"start": "02:53:44", "end": "02:53:50", "text": "you know, I am a woman. I'm subject to"}, {"start": "02:53:47", "end": "02:53:52", "text": "wanting nice things like purses, nice"}, {"start": "02:53:50", "end": "02:53:55", "text": "purses and so forth, right? And I know"}, {"start": "02:53:52", "end": "02:53:57", "text": "that. So, I'm going along doing my work"}, {"start": "02:53:55", "end": "02:53:59", "text": "and so forth and ads pop up. Gucci bag"}, {"start": "02:53:57", "end": "02:54:00", "text": "or this and that. And I'm like, I don't"}, {"start": "02:53:59", "end": "02:54:01", "text": "want that bag. All right. But then I do"}, {"start": "02:54:00", "end": "02:54:02", "text": "want it."}, {"start": "02:54:01", "end": "02:54:03", "text": ">> But you do want it."}, {"start": "02:54:02", "end": "02:54:05", "text": ">> Yes, I do. But what I have to do is I"}, {"start": "02:54:03", "end": "02:54:07", "text": "have to wait it out. So, I'm being"}, {"start": "02:54:05", "end": "02:54:10", "text": "manipulated by everyone else wanting"}, {"start": "02:54:07", "end": "02:54:13", "text": "that bag. Wait two years and that bag"}, {"start": "02:54:10", "end": "02:54:14", "text": "will look ridiculous to you, right? It"}, {"start": "02:54:13", "end": "02:54:15", "text": "really will. You'll have the bag and"}, {"start": "02:54:14", "end": "02:54:18", "text": "you're like, why did I even buy that"}, {"start": "02:54:15", "end": "02:54:21", "text": "bag? It's weird looking, right? And so,"}, {"start": "02:54:18", "end": "02:54:24", "text": "your your desire is cultivated. It's"}, {"start": "02:54:21", "end": "02:54:27", "text": "generated. is constructed is created and"}, {"start": "02:54:24", "end": "02:54:28", "text": "it's created through clicks and likes"}, {"start": "02:54:27", "end": "02:54:30", "text": "and so forth."}, {"start": "02:54:28", "end": "02:54:32", "text": ">> My wife has bags that might more than"}, {"start": "02:54:30", "end": "02:54:33", "text": "cars some of them."}, {"start": "02:54:32", "end": "02:54:35", "text": ">> What's the matter with you?"}, {"start": "02:54:33", "end": "02:54:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't want to put I"}, {"start": "02:54:35", "end": "02:54:40", "text": "mean, look, men have car like, you know,"}, {"start": "02:54:38", "end": "02:54:40", "text": "everybody has their thing. So, I'm not"}, {"start": "02:54:40", "end": "02:54:41", "text": "We all have our thing."}, {"start": "02:54:40", "end": "02:54:42", "text": ">> Yeah. I'm not going to judge it."}, {"start": "02:54:41", "end": "02:54:44", "text": ">> I'm not throwing stones."}, {"start": "02:54:42", "end": "02:54:46", "text": ">> I'm just being like, \"Yeah, I have I"}, {"start": "02:54:44", "end": "02:54:47", "text": "have the bag, right?\""}, {"start": "02:54:46", "end": "02:54:49", "text": ">> No, I'm glad you said that because it's"}, {"start": "02:54:47", "end": "02:54:50", "text": "it's kind of universal. We all kind of"}, {"start": "02:54:49", "end": "02:54:52", "text": "do it."}, {"start": "02:54:50", "end": "02:54:54", "text": ">> But we have to we have to understand"}, {"start": "02:54:52", "end": "02:54:55", "text": "that we do it. Yes. And when we can"}, {"start": "02:54:54", "end": "02:54:58", "text": "understand it, we can"}, {"start": "02:54:55", "end": "02:55:01", "text": ">> uh because you know in we we will be"}, {"start": "02:54:58", "end": "02:55:03", "text": "enslaved by this if we allow our just"}, {"start": "02:55:01", "end": "02:55:06", "text": "you know"}, {"start": "02:55:03", "end": "02:55:07", "text": "we're a slave to our desires."}, {"start": "02:55:06", "end": "02:55:10", "text": ">> But if we can you can wait out the"}, {"start": "02:55:07", "end": "02:55:12", "text": "desire and that's all it takes. It just"}, {"start": "02:55:10", "end": "02:55:14", "text": "takes like three weeks or something."}, {"start": "02:55:12", "end": "02:55:16", "text": ">> Sure. But most people don't. Don't we"}, {"start": "02:55:14", "end": "02:55:16", "text": "need all people to do this for it to"}, {"start": "02:55:16", "end": "02:55:19", "text": "work?"}, {"start": "02:55:16", "end": "02:55:20", "text": ">> Yeah. It's uh I think we need to go"}, {"start": "02:55:19", "end": "02:55:21", "text": "critical mass. I don't know if we need"}, {"start": "02:55:20", "end": "02:55:25", "text": "all people to do it. Critical mass."}, {"start": "02:55:21", "end": "02:55:27", "text": "Critical mass. Yeah. So Gerard then says"}, {"start": "02:55:25", "end": "02:55:28", "text": "how you know what do we do? If human"}, {"start": "02:55:27", "end": "02:55:30", "text": "beings are wired this way, we're wired"}, {"start": "02:55:28", "end": "02:55:32", "text": "to hurt each other. We're wired for"}, {"start": "02:55:30", "end": "02:55:34", "text": "violence. You know what can we possibly"}, {"start": "02:55:32", "end": "02:55:36", "text": "do? And that's where he says that's"}, {"start": "02:55:34", "end": "02:55:37", "text": "where you have to examine yourself."}, {"start": "02:55:36", "end": "02:55:40", "text": "That's what Socrates said, the examine"}, {"start": "02:55:37", "end": "02:55:42", "text": "life. You must if you want this world to"}, {"start": "02:55:40", "end": "02:55:46", "text": "change, you must change. You must do"}, {"start": "02:55:42", "end": "02:55:48", "text": "this. And if you don't um you know if"}, {"start": "02:55:46", "end": "02:55:51", "text": "you say well no one else is going to do"}, {"start": "02:55:48", "end": "02:55:52", "text": "it you know okay then that's the world"}, {"start": "02:55:51", "end": "02:55:55", "text": "we have that's the world we live in."}, {"start": "02:55:52", "end": "02:55:56", "text": ">> Oh we we all do that. Why should why"}, {"start": "02:55:55", "end": "02:55:57", "text": "should I make that sacrifice? No one"}, {"start": "02:55:56", "end": "02:55:59", "text": "else is going to do it."}, {"start": "02:55:57", "end": "02:56:01", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "02:55:59", "end": "02:56:03", "text": "Or just you know you could try. You"}, {"start": "02:56:01", "end": "02:56:07", "text": "could start trying and then your trying"}, {"start": "02:56:03", "end": "02:56:10", "text": "gets into the ability to resist."}, {"start": "02:56:07", "end": "02:56:13", "text": ">> It's hard to it's hard to do that."}, {"start": "02:56:10", "end": "02:56:16", "text": "Do you agree with Jacqu file about the"}, {"start": "02:56:13", "end": "02:56:18", "text": "UFO phenomena being subjective and"}, {"start": "02:56:16", "end": "02:56:21", "text": "created by our culture and being maybe"}, {"start": "02:56:18", "end": "02:56:23", "text": "more of a non-nuts andbolts phenomenon?"}, {"start": "02:56:21", "end": "02:56:26", "text": ">> Okay. So Jacques I don't think he"}, {"start": "02:56:23", "end": "02:56:27", "text": "believes that it's created by our"}, {"start": "02:56:26", "end": "02:56:29", "text": "culture. I think that he believes this"}, {"start": "02:56:27", "end": "02:56:30", "text": "is what just you know from knowing him a"}, {"start": "02:56:29", "end": "02:56:30", "text": "bit."}, {"start": "02:56:30", "end": "02:56:31", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "02:56:30", "end": "02:56:34", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:56:31", "end": "02:56:36", "text": ">> he's now he his idea of what it is"}, {"start": "02:56:34", "end": "02:56:38", "text": "possibly could be or his theory about it"}, {"start": "02:56:36", "end": "02:56:41", "text": "changes. Right. So I've seen it change."}, {"start": "02:56:38", "end": "02:56:43", "text": ">> Sure. Um, but he if he wasn't nuts and"}, {"start": "02:56:41", "end": "02:56:45", "text": "bolts, he's way more nuts and bolts now"}, {"start": "02:56:43", "end": "02:56:46", "text": "than he used to be, by the way. So, he"}, {"start": "02:56:45", "end": "02:56:49", "text": "was definitely not nuts and bolts for a"}, {"start": "02:56:46", "end": "02:56:51", "text": "long time, but I think he thinks that"}, {"start": "02:56:49", "end": "02:56:53", "text": "there's something beyond the projector."}, {"start": "02:56:51", "end": "02:56:54", "text": "There's something Oh, he thinks it's"}, {"start": "02:56:53", "end": "02:56:55", "text": "something."}, {"start": "02:56:54", "end": "02:56:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:56:55", "end": "02:56:57", "text": ">> He's described it as a as a control"}, {"start": "02:56:57", "end": "02:56:59", "text": "system."}, {"start": "02:56:57", "end": "02:57:01", "text": ">> Yeah. A control mechanism."}, {"start": "02:56:59", "end": "02:57:05", "text": ">> Who he doesn't know. That's the thing."}, {"start": "02:57:01", "end": "02:57:07", "text": "He wants to find out,"}, {"start": "02:57:05", "end": "02:57:10", "text": ">> but he's he's, you know, studied it"}, {"start": "02:57:07", "end": "02:57:12", "text": "enough to identify its characteristics"}, {"start": "02:57:10", "end": "02:57:14", "text": "and and that's why he wrote messengers"}, {"start": "02:57:12", "end": "02:57:16", "text": "of deception. He said this is kind of a"}, {"start": "02:57:14", "end": "02:57:20", "text": "deceptive phenomena."}, {"start": "02:57:16", "end": "02:57:20", "text": ">> So speculate who's behind that and why"}, {"start": "02:57:20", "end": "02:57:21", "text": ">> speculate?"}, {"start": "02:57:20", "end": "02:57:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:57:21", "end": "02:57:25", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:57:22", "end": "02:57:27", "text": ">> I mean, it was it was pie plates and"}, {"start": "02:57:25", "end": "02:57:28", "text": "nuts and bolts and saucers and now it's"}, {"start": "02:57:27", "end": "02:57:30", "text": "orbs."}, {"start": "02:57:28", "end": "02:57:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I who knows what"}, {"start": "02:57:30", "end": "02:57:33", "text": "it's going to be next."}, {"start": "02:57:31", "end": "02:57:35", "text": ">> That's right. That's right."}, {"start": "02:57:33", "end": "02:57:37", "text": ">> I mean, I you know, I talked to Chris"}, {"start": "02:57:35", "end": "02:57:38", "text": "Bledo, who you may you may know Chris."}, {"start": "02:57:37", "end": "02:57:40", "text": ">> I know. I know Chris."}, {"start": "02:57:38", "end": "02:57:40", "text": ">> He can summon orbs."}, {"start": "02:57:40", "end": "02:57:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:57:40", "end": "02:57:46", "text": ">> And I wouldn't call myself a a fanatic"}, {"start": "02:57:43", "end": "02:57:48", "text": "believer. I'm a skeptical believer. And"}, {"start": "02:57:46", "end": "02:57:49", "text": "I wouldn't think anyone can summon orbs,"}, {"start": "02:57:48", "end": "02:57:51", "text": "but I've seen it on video. My brother"}, {"start": "02:57:49", "end": "02:57:53", "text": "went out to the yard with him and they"}, {"start": "02:57:51", "end": "02:57:54", "text": "summoned orbs. And I asked Chris, I"}, {"start": "02:57:53", "end": "02:57:56", "text": "said, \"Can anyone anyone do this?\" He"}, {"start": "02:57:54", "end": "02:57:58", "text": "said, \"Anyone can do this and nobody"}, {"start": "02:57:56", "end": "02:58:01", "text": "should do this.\" like he he doesn't"}, {"start": "02:57:58", "end": "02:58:04", "text": "think it's a good idea."}, {"start": "02:58:01", "end": "02:58:08", "text": "Is he talking to something real?"}, {"start": "02:58:04", "end": "02:58:10", "text": ">> Um, okay. So,"}, {"start": "02:58:08", "end": "02:58:14", "text": "all right. So, yeah, in order to talk"}, {"start": "02:58:10", "end": "02:58:17", "text": "about this I I this is another thing"}, {"start": "02:58:14", "end": "02:58:19", "text": "that I present in in the others is I"}, {"start": "02:58:17", "end": "02:58:21", "text": "basically say now that we know that"}, {"start": "02:58:19", "end": "02:58:22", "text": "there is something like how do we deal"}, {"start": "02:58:21", "end": "02:58:24", "text": "with it? Mhm."}, {"start": "02:58:22", "end": "02:58:26", "text": ">> And I said, I think the history of"}, {"start": "02:58:24", "end": "02:58:28", "text": "religions gives us some frameworks for"}, {"start": "02:58:26", "end": "02:58:30", "text": "this because if these things are"}, {"start": "02:58:28", "end": "02:58:33", "text": "deceptive, which it looks like they are,"}, {"start": "02:58:30", "end": "02:58:35", "text": "and if you do summon them regularly and"}, {"start": "02:58:33", "end": "02:58:37", "text": "they're in your life, your life's going"}, {"start": "02:58:35", "end": "02:58:40", "text": "to be pretty weird and not in some fun"}, {"start": "02:58:37", "end": "02:58:42", "text": "ways. Okay? And so if that's the case,"}, {"start": "02:58:40", "end": "02:58:44", "text": "then they look like what we've talked"}, {"start": "02:58:42", "end": "02:58:45", "text": "about in the religious traditions"}, {"start": "02:58:44", "end": "02:58:48", "text": "before. We just have different names for"}, {"start": "02:58:45", "end": "02:58:51", "text": "them or we haven't even named them yet."}, {"start": "02:58:48", "end": "02:58:54", "text": "But what kinds of protocols do those"}, {"start": "02:58:51", "end": "02:58:56", "text": "traditions give you to deal with these?"}, {"start": "02:58:54", "end": "02:58:58", "text": "Well, in Buddhism, they might if you"}, {"start": "02:58:56", "end": "02:59:00", "text": "meditate a lot, they might come into"}, {"start": "02:58:58", "end": "02:59:02", "text": "your life and you just ignore them"}, {"start": "02:59:00", "end": "02:59:04", "text": "because that's not the goal. That's not"}, {"start": "02:59:02", "end": "02:59:06", "text": "the goal that you have a spiritual goal"}, {"start": "02:59:04", "end": "02:59:08", "text": "in Buddhist meditation and that's not"}, {"start": "02:59:06", "end": "02:59:10", "text": "it. So, just ignore it. All right. So,"}, {"start": "02:59:08", "end": "02:59:12", "text": "there's that. um within I've talked"}, {"start": "02:59:10", "end": "02:59:14", "text": "about this before in the Catholic"}, {"start": "02:59:12", "end": "02:59:16", "text": "tradition uh JD Vance you know I said"}, {"start": "02:59:14", "end": "02:59:19", "text": "this publicly you know he believes that"}, {"start": "02:59:16", "end": "02:59:21", "text": "this phenomena is what he called uh kind"}, {"start": "02:59:19", "end": "02:59:24", "text": "of like demons and I can fill in that"}, {"start": "02:59:21", "end": "02:59:26", "text": "what that means um he's he's referencing"}, {"start": "02:59:24", "end": "02:59:28", "text": "what's called the prader natural so it's"}, {"start": "02:59:26", "end": "02:59:31", "text": "not supernatural it's not from God it's"}, {"start": "02:59:28", "end": "02:59:33", "text": "not natural right we can agree that it's"}, {"start": "02:59:31", "end": "02:59:36", "text": "pretty weird it's it's this area this"}, {"start": "02:59:33", "end": "02:59:38", "text": "gray area that Catholics think the"}, {"start": "02:59:36", "end": "02:59:40", "text": "fallen angels fall into and also angels"}, {"start": "02:59:38", "end": "02:59:42", "text": "like it's not a God thing, but it's like"}, {"start": "02:59:40", "end": "02:59:44", "text": "maybe kind of angelic thing or, you"}, {"start": "02:59:42", "end": "02:59:46", "text": "know, maybe something other than angels,"}, {"start": "02:59:44", "end": "02:59:48", "text": "but we probably shouldn't deal with it."}, {"start": "02:59:46", "end": "02:59:49", "text": "We probably shouldn't mess with it. Now,"}, {"start": "02:59:48", "end": "02:59:52", "text": "that's why I wouldn't go to like"}, {"start": "02:59:49", "end": "02:59:55", "text": "Scanwalker Ranch or, you know, the the"}, {"start": "02:59:52", "end": "02:59:58", "text": "haunted places. That's why I do not want"}, {"start": "02:59:55", "end": "02:59:59", "text": "to summon things. So, um,"}, {"start": "02:59:58", "end": "03:00:00", "text": ">> no, Hitchhiker Effect seems to be a real"}, {"start": "02:59:59", "end": "03:00:01", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "03:00:00", "end": "03:00:03", "text": ">> It is a real thing. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:01", "end": "03:00:04", "text": ">> You mentioned John Alexander. I mean,"}, {"start": "03:00:03", "end": "03:00:05", "text": "his wife didn't like him being there at"}, {"start": "03:00:04", "end": "03:00:05", "text": "all."}, {"start": "03:00:05", "end": "03:00:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:05", "end": "03:00:09", "text": ">> You know, she would wake up and there'd"}, {"start": "03:00:06", "end": "03:00:11", "text": "be stuff in the yard."}, {"start": "03:00:09", "end": "03:00:14", "text": "So yeah, so if we already have"}, {"start": "03:00:11", "end": "03:00:16", "text": "information about that stuff even from"}, {"start": "03:00:14", "end": "03:00:17", "text": "indigenous communities, right? Like you"}, {"start": "03:00:16", "end": "03:00:19", "text": "what are you doing? You know, don't"}, {"start": "03:00:17", "end": "03:00:23", "text": "summon that."}, {"start": "03:00:19", "end": "03:00:25", "text": ">> Um, you know, I guess my my question is"}, {"start": "03:00:23", "end": "03:00:27", "text": "we already have information about that."}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:30", "text": ">> We don't, you know, we should listen to"}, {"start": "03:00:27", "end": "03:00:31", "text": "it."}, {"start": "03:00:30", "end": "03:00:33", "text": "Yeah, it you definitely see the"}, {"start": "03:00:31", "end": "03:00:35", "text": "trickster at work because I've talked to"}, {"start": "03:00:33", "end": "03:00:39", "text": "a few people from Skamora with John or"}, {"start": "03:00:35", "end": "03:00:40", "text": "Travis Taylor and it's like how come"}, {"start": "03:00:39", "end": "03:00:41", "text": "there are not that many photographs of"}, {"start": "03:00:40", "end": "03:00:43", "text": "it and the answer is always it's"}, {"start": "03:00:41", "end": "03:00:45", "text": "photographed when it wants to be. We"}, {"start": "03:00:43", "end": "03:00:47", "text": "can't and we can't control it. Sometimes"}, {"start": "03:00:45", "end": "03:00:50", "text": "it allows it, sometimes it just doesn't."}, {"start": "03:00:47", "end": "03:00:52", "text": "So it feels like and Travis agreed that"}, {"start": "03:00:50", "end": "03:00:55", "text": "there is there's intention here. There's"}, {"start": "03:00:52", "end": "03:00:57", "text": "there's an intent to deceive, but nobody"}, {"start": "03:00:55", "end": "03:00:58", "text": "knows what the purpose. What's the"}, {"start": "03:00:57", "end": "03:01:01", "text": "reason for it? What does it want with"}, {"start": "03:00:58", "end": "03:01:05", "text": "us?"}, {"start": "03:01:01", "end": "03:01:07", "text": ">> Um, yeah. I don't know. I mean, I am not"}, {"start": "03:01:05", "end": "03:01:09", "text": "Look, I do this study. I've studied this"}, {"start": "03:01:07", "end": "03:01:12", "text": "stuff, right? And written books about"}, {"start": "03:01:09", "end": "03:01:12", "text": "it. Yes. But no, I can't answer that"}, {"start": "03:01:12", "end": "03:01:15", "text": "question."}, {"start": "03:01:12", "end": "03:01:18", "text": ">> You don't have an opinion, a a guess."}, {"start": "03:01:15", "end": "03:01:19", "text": ">> Well, my opinion is that um this is my"}, {"start": "03:01:18", "end": "03:01:20", "text": "personal opinion. I don't advocate it"}, {"start": "03:01:19", "end": "03:01:23", "text": "for anyone. Okay."}, {"start": "03:01:20", "end": "03:01:26", "text": ">> And it's just how I deal with it. um"}, {"start": "03:01:23", "end": "03:01:28", "text": "because it resembled so closely the"}, {"start": "03:01:26", "end": "03:01:30", "text": "traditions of religion"}, {"start": "03:01:28", "end": "03:01:33", "text": ">> um and I happen to be religious. I'm"}, {"start": "03:01:30", "end": "03:01:36", "text": "Christian that I look at this from that"}, {"start": "03:01:33", "end": "03:01:38", "text": "standpoint and I, you know, I'm not"}, {"start": "03:01:36", "end": "03:01:39", "text": "going to summon something that I think"}, {"start": "03:01:38", "end": "03:01:41", "text": "is deceptive. Why would I do that?"}, {"start": "03:01:39", "end": "03:01:43", "text": ">> Totally agree. I'm not interested in"}, {"start": "03:01:41", "end": "03:01:44", "text": "going to Skim Walker or summoning orbs"}, {"start": "03:01:43", "end": "03:01:47", "text": "or doing any of that."}, {"start": "03:01:44", "end": "03:01:48", "text": ">> Yeah. So, I'm going to focus on the"}, {"start": "03:01:47", "end": "03:01:51", "text": "spiritual sense that I have, try to"}, {"start": "03:01:48", "end": "03:01:52", "text": "cultivate it, try to help my students,"}, {"start": "03:01:51", "end": "03:01:55", "text": "try to help, you know, I'm going to do"}, {"start": "03:01:52", "end": "03:01:56", "text": "that. I'm not going to focus on on that"}, {"start": "03:01:55", "end": "03:01:58", "text": "other stuff."}, {"start": "03:01:56", "end": "03:02:00", "text": ">> I think that's smart. It just like four"}, {"start": "03:01:58", "end": "03:02:02", "text": "days ago had a nightmare about orbs and"}, {"start": "03:02:00", "end": "03:02:03", "text": "I woke up like that was a message."}, {"start": "03:02:02", "end": "03:02:05", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:02:03", "end": "03:02:09", "text": ">> Like doing this show maybe too long. I"}, {"start": "03:02:05", "end": "03:02:11", "text": "was it was it was pretty scary. Um,"}, {"start": "03:02:09", "end": "03:02:14", "text": "so if we're going to be contacted by"}, {"start": "03:02:11", "end": "03:02:15", "text": "something else, especially from another"}, {"start": "03:02:14", "end": "03:02:17", "text": "world, it's probably going to be some"}, {"start": "03:02:15", "end": "03:02:18", "text": "type of AI. It's not going to be"}, {"start": "03:02:17", "end": "03:02:20", "text": "biological."}, {"start": "03:02:18", "end": "03:02:21", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's Steven Dick's"}, {"start": "03:02:20", "end": "03:02:22", "text": "theory. Yeah. I think it's a really good"}, {"start": "03:02:21", "end": "03:02:24", "text": "theory."}, {"start": "03:02:22", "end": "03:02:27", "text": ">> I agree. So, let's walk Steven Dick's"}, {"start": "03:02:24", "end": "03:02:28", "text": "theory backwards. Could the angel"}, {"start": "03:02:27", "end": "03:02:31", "text": "visitations that we see in Ezekiel and"}, {"start": "03:02:28", "end": "03:02:32", "text": "elsewhere, could those be postbiological"}, {"start": "03:02:31", "end": "03:02:35", "text": "entities?"}, {"start": "03:02:32", "end": "03:02:38", "text": ">> Yeah. So, remember that he's speculating"}, {"start": "03:02:35", "end": "03:02:40", "text": "and this is his theory. So he is uh uh"}, {"start": "03:02:38", "end": "03:02:44", "text": "his whole bibliography by the way he's"}, {"start": "03:02:40", "end": "03:02:45", "text": "been writing about theories of ET and"}, {"start": "03:02:44", "end": "03:02:47", "text": "the history of what's called the"}, {"start": "03:02:45", "end": "03:02:49", "text": "plurality of worlds because we're not"}, {"start": "03:02:47", "end": "03:02:52", "text": "the only ones who have thought about"}, {"start": "03:02:49", "end": "03:02:53", "text": "this right people from uh many many"}, {"start": "03:02:52", "end": "03:02:54", "text": "years ago thousands of years ago have"}, {"start": "03:02:53", "end": "03:02:54", "text": "thought about this."}, {"start": "03:02:54", "end": "03:02:59", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "03:02:54", "end": "03:03:00", "text": ">> Um and so he's he's compiled this this"}, {"start": "03:02:59", "end": "03:03:03", "text": "bibliography which everybody should"}, {"start": "03:03:00", "end": "03:03:06", "text": "check out. All right. So what his idea?"}, {"start": "03:03:03", "end": "03:03:10", "text": "So he says that if we take where we are"}, {"start": "03:03:06", "end": "03:03:13", "text": "at now and he's has this is a a essay"}, {"start": "03:03:10", "end": "03:03:16", "text": "that's called uh the post-biological"}, {"start": "03:03:13", "end": "03:03:18", "text": "uh oh gosh how can I forget what it's"}, {"start": "03:03:16", "end": "03:03:20", "text": "called? I've read it a million times. Um"}, {"start": "03:03:18", "end": "03:03:22", "text": "the post-biological universe and he's"}, {"start": "03:03:20", "end": "03:03:25", "text": "rewritten this a couple times. Okay. So"}, {"start": "03:03:22", "end": "03:03:28", "text": "it's the most I the most recent"}, {"start": "03:03:25", "end": "03:03:30", "text": "iteration. I've covered that in others"}, {"start": "03:03:28", "end": "03:03:33", "text": "but it's also online in his"}, {"start": "03:03:30", "end": "03:03:35", "text": "bibliography. So the post-biological"}, {"start": "03:03:33", "end": "03:03:38", "text": "universe revisited is the most recent"}, {"start": "03:03:35", "end": "03:03:42", "text": "one. And this is what he says. Just take"}, {"start": "03:03:38", "end": "03:03:45", "text": "where we're at now and apply what's he"}, {"start": "03:03:42", "end": "03:03:47", "text": "calls cultural evolution. Okay? So where"}, {"start": "03:03:45", "end": "03:03:49", "text": "we are at now is that we are a"}, {"start": "03:03:47", "end": "03:03:53", "text": "technological civilization. All right?"}, {"start": "03:03:49", "end": "03:03:55", "text": "And if you take our evolution and you"}, {"start": "03:03:53", "end": "03:03:56", "text": "look at it in large scales instead of"}, {"start": "03:03:55", "end": "03:03:59", "text": "scales of like you know thousands of"}, {"start": "03:03:56", "end": "03:04:01", "text": "years or even millions of years and you"}, {"start": "03:03:59", "end": "03:04:03", "text": "talk about like the age of the universe"}, {"start": "03:04:01", "end": "03:04:06", "text": "he said if there was a civilization like"}, {"start": "03:04:03", "end": "03:04:09", "text": "us or close to us and they've been"}, {"start": "03:04:06", "end": "03:04:11", "text": "they're now a million years old. He goes"}, {"start": "03:04:09", "end": "03:04:13", "text": "what does their technology look like?"}, {"start": "03:04:11", "end": "03:04:15", "text": "Right. Like look at our technology how"}, {"start": "03:04:13", "end": "03:04:16", "text": "exponential it is just in the last five"}, {"start": "03:04:15", "end": "03:04:18", "text": "years"}, {"start": "03:04:16", "end": "03:04:20", "text": ">> indistinguishable from magic."}, {"start": "03:04:18", "end": "03:04:22", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. But it's"}, {"start": "03:04:20", "end": "03:04:24", "text": "it's not magic. It's technology. All"}, {"start": "03:04:22", "end": "03:04:27", "text": "right. And so he says, let's just"}, {"start": "03:04:24", "end": "03:04:30", "text": "extrapolate what kind of life what it"}, {"start": "03:04:27", "end": "03:04:32", "text": "will look like. And he wrote this in"}, {"start": "03:04:30", "end": "03:04:35", "text": "answer to the Fermy paradox, which is,"}, {"start": "03:04:32", "end": "03:04:38", "text": "you know, if there is extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "03:04:35", "end": "03:04:40", "text": "life, why where is it? Right? And he"}, {"start": "03:04:38", "end": "03:04:42", "text": "says, we won't even recognize it because"}, {"start": "03:04:40", "end": "03:04:47", "text": "it's so far ahead of us. And it's most"}, {"start": "03:04:42", "end": "03:04:49", "text": "likely passed through AI and gotten to"}, {"start": "03:04:47", "end": "03:04:52", "text": "self-replicating"}, {"start": "03:04:49", "end": "03:04:55", "text": "technological beings that resemble"}, {"start": "03:04:52", "end": "03:04:56", "text": "deities because they can read your mind."}, {"start": "03:04:55", "end": "03:04:59", "text": "Like all the things that deities can do,"}, {"start": "03:04:56", "end": "03:05:01", "text": "right? Read your mind, disappear,"}, {"start": "03:04:59", "end": "03:05:04", "text": "appear, right? Uh the physics that we"}, {"start": "03:05:01", "end": "03:05:05", "text": "see, well, they could do that, right?"}, {"start": "03:05:04", "end": "03:05:08", "text": "They can do anything. The private"}, {"start": "03:05:05", "end": "03:05:10", "text": "gravity, gravity we talk about. So he"}, {"start": "03:05:08", "end": "03:05:12", "text": "suggests that post he calls them"}, {"start": "03:05:10", "end": "03:05:14", "text": "postbiologicals because they've gone"}, {"start": "03:05:12", "end": "03:05:17", "text": "through the stage of biology they've"}, {"start": "03:05:14", "end": "03:05:20", "text": "gotten into a technological or a"}, {"start": "03:05:17", "end": "03:05:23", "text": "biotechnological phase and they've"}, {"start": "03:05:20", "end": "03:05:25", "text": "exceeded that. So to us they're going to"}, {"start": "03:05:23", "end": "03:05:26", "text": "appear to be like deities. So that's his"}, {"start": "03:05:25", "end": "03:05:30", "text": "idea. That's his theory."}, {"start": "03:05:26", "end": "03:05:32", "text": ">> And I think he's right. Um"}, {"start": "03:05:30", "end": "03:05:33", "text": "Arthur C. Clark in late late in his"}, {"start": "03:05:32", "end": "03:05:36", "text": "career kind of got away from the"}, {"start": "03:05:33", "end": "03:05:38", "text": "mysticism, but he he believed telepathy"}, {"start": "03:05:36", "end": "03:05:39", "text": "was real and it was just technology we"}, {"start": "03:05:38", "end": "03:05:41", "text": "haven't explored yet."}, {"start": "03:05:39", "end": "03:05:44", "text": ">> Yeah. So Marshall McLuhan believed that"}, {"start": "03:05:41", "end": "03:05:47", "text": "Arthur C. Clark believed that um you"}, {"start": "03:05:44", "end": "03:05:50", "text": "know Tayard had some indication you know"}, {"start": "03:05:47", "end": "03:05:53", "text": "of that and both you know Marsh Marshall"}, {"start": "03:05:50", "end": "03:05:55", "text": "McLuhan's an academic uh Arthur C."}, {"start": "03:05:53", "end": "03:05:56", "text": "Clark's just a super general amazing"}, {"start": "03:05:55", "end": "03:05:58", "text": "smart person, right?"}, {"start": "03:05:56", "end": "03:06:00", "text": ">> And yeah, both of them definitely"}, {"start": "03:05:58", "end": "03:06:03", "text": "believed in uh telepathy and believed"}, {"start": "03:06:00", "end": "03:06:05", "text": "that it would be augmented even by"}, {"start": "03:06:03", "end": "03:06:08", "text": "technology. technology would make it"}, {"start": "03:06:05", "end": "03:06:10", "text": "even more uh of a real thing and in fact"}, {"start": "03:06:08", "end": "03:06:14", "text": "that looks like what's happening right"}, {"start": "03:06:10", "end": "03:06:17", "text": "so I have some friends who uh they are"}, {"start": "03:06:14", "end": "03:06:19", "text": "investors in technologies and one of the"}, {"start": "03:06:17", "end": "03:06:22", "text": "technologies that a friend is invested"}, {"start": "03:06:19", "end": "03:06:24", "text": "in is this one that actually can read a"}, {"start": "03:06:22", "end": "03:06:27", "text": "person's mind so can read the image in"}, {"start": "03:06:24", "end": "03:06:29", "text": "their mind and project it onto a"}, {"start": "03:06:27", "end": "03:06:31", "text": "computer screen and she saw this happen"}, {"start": "03:06:29", "end": "03:06:33", "text": "and this is technology that's real right"}, {"start": "03:06:31", "end": "03:06:35", "text": "so we're talking about like uh I I don't"}, {"start": "03:06:33", "end": "03:06:37", "text": "know if Neurolink does this, but I do"}, {"start": "03:06:35", "end": "03:06:40", "text": "know that there is technology that can"}, {"start": "03:06:37", "end": "03:06:42", "text": "like you can think of an image like she"}, {"start": "03:06:40", "end": "03:06:44", "text": "thought of her dog and then her dog"}, {"start": "03:06:42", "end": "03:06:45", "text": "appeared on screen like a dog that"}, {"start": "03:06:44", "end": "03:06:48", "text": "looked like so that is reading our"}, {"start": "03:06:45", "end": "03:06:51", "text": "minds. It's reading our brain waves,"}, {"start": "03:06:48", "end": "03:06:53", "text": "right? And so forth. So that does"}, {"start": "03:06:51", "end": "03:06:54", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "03:06:53", "end": "03:06:55", "text": "This is just the beginning of it."}, {"start": "03:06:54", "end": "03:06:56", "text": ">> It's just the beginning."}, {"start": "03:06:55", "end": "03:06:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:06:56", "end": "03:07:00", "text": ">> Because she had to concentrate on her"}, {"start": "03:06:58", "end": "03:07:01", "text": "dog in that story, which makes sense to"}, {"start": "03:07:00", "end": "03:07:03", "text": "me. Where it becomes scary is when you"}, {"start": "03:07:01", "end": "03:07:05", "text": "no longer have agency over it."}, {"start": "03:07:03", "end": "03:07:08", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. That's where"}, {"start": "03:07:05", "end": "03:07:10", "text": "it's like minority report type of thing."}, {"start": "03:07:08", "end": "03:07:11", "text": ">> Yes. Uh yeah, that's Philip K. Dick."}, {"start": "03:07:10", "end": "03:07:14", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "03:07:11", "end": "03:07:16", "text": ">> Um who's another Arthur C. Clark kind of"}, {"start": "03:07:14", "end": "03:07:18", "text": "figure. Speaking of Philip K. Dick and"}, {"start": "03:07:16", "end": "03:07:21", "text": "Arthur C. Clark. Something we touched on"}, {"start": "03:07:18", "end": "03:07:26", "text": "just a little bit with Childhood's End."}, {"start": "03:07:21", "end": "03:07:29", "text": "In that book, when they saw the demons,"}, {"start": "03:07:26", "end": "03:07:31", "text": "they were seeing that demons were from"}, {"start": "03:07:29", "end": "03:07:32", "text": "the future. That's right. It's a cool"}, {"start": "03:07:31", "end": "03:07:32", "text": "part of the book."}, {"start": "03:07:32", "end": "03:07:36", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:07:32", "end": "03:07:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So, in most of the book, uh,"}, {"start": "03:07:36", "end": "03:07:40", "text": "the author of the book, well, obviously"}, {"start": "03:07:38", "end": "03:07:42", "text": "Arthur C. Clark, but the protagonists of"}, {"start": "03:07:40", "end": "03:07:44", "text": "the book, they're having conversations"}, {"start": "03:07:42", "end": "03:07:46", "text": "about what the appearance of the demon,"}, {"start": "03:07:44", "end": "03:07:49", "text": "why it's, you know, it must have been"}, {"start": "03:07:46", "end": "03:07:51", "text": "from the past, like a a cultural memory."}, {"start": "03:07:49", "end": "03:07:53", "text": "Yes. That, you know, humankind had come"}, {"start": "03:07:51", "end": "03:07:54", "text": "into contact with these. So, that was"}, {"start": "03:07:53", "end": "03:07:56", "text": "the assumption throughout most of the"}, {"start": "03:07:54", "end": "03:07:59", "text": "book. And then later you hear at the"}, {"start": "03:07:56", "end": "03:08:01", "text": "very near the end of the book, Carellin,"}, {"start": "03:07:59", "end": "03:08:04", "text": "who's the the demon, basically flips it"}, {"start": "03:08:01", "end": "03:08:06", "text": "and says, \"No, no, that was us from the"}, {"start": "03:08:04", "end": "03:08:08", "text": "future.\" Basically, you were"}, {"start": "03:08:06", "end": "03:08:10", "text": "pre-membering us, right? It was like a"}, {"start": "03:08:08", "end": "03:08:12", "text": "prememory."}, {"start": "03:08:10", "end": "03:08:15", "text": "So, it was a a memory from the future."}, {"start": "03:08:12", "end": "03:08:17", "text": ">> And in the others, you talk about Eric"}, {"start": "03:08:15", "end": "03:08:19", "text": "Wargo's work. I mean, it was it was fun"}, {"start": "03:08:17", "end": "03:08:20", "text": "to see him mentioned in there because"}, {"start": "03:08:19", "end": "03:08:22", "text": "I'm a big fan of his. He's been in here."}, {"start": "03:08:20", "end": "03:08:23", "text": "He's changed my thinking on on how time"}, {"start": "03:08:22", "end": "03:08:24", "text": "works."}, {"start": "03:08:23", "end": "03:08:25", "text": ">> Yes. Do you subscribe to his time loop"}, {"start": "03:08:24", "end": "03:08:27", "text": "theory?"}, {"start": "03:08:25", "end": "03:08:29", "text": ">> Mostly. You mostly do."}, {"start": "03:08:27", "end": "03:08:32", "text": ">> Mostly do. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, absolutely."}, {"start": "03:08:29", "end": "03:08:34", "text": "So, when you read I love his books. So,"}, {"start": "03:08:32", "end": "03:08:36", "text": "his books are really interesting because"}, {"start": "03:08:34", "end": "03:08:39", "text": "they're not only super theoretical, but"}, {"start": "03:08:36", "end": "03:08:39", "text": "they also have so many awesome examples."}, {"start": "03:08:39", "end": "03:08:40", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:08:39", "end": "03:08:43", "text": ">> So, they, you know, he's got these"}, {"start": "03:08:40", "end": "03:08:46", "text": "examples of things that couldn't ha have"}, {"start": "03:08:43", "end": "03:08:47", "text": "happened because they they happened out"}, {"start": "03:08:46", "end": "03:08:49", "text": "of time, right? Like the thing I just"}, {"start": "03:08:47", "end": "03:08:52", "text": "told you about about Arthur C. Clark"}, {"start": "03:08:49", "end": "03:08:54", "text": "that. So, he has real examples from"}, {"start": "03:08:52", "end": "03:08:55", "text": "history. Yeah, look, there's guys"}, {"start": "03:08:54", "end": "03:08:56", "text": "drawing 911 with planes flying into"}, {"start": "03:08:55", "end": "03:08:57", "text": "them."}, {"start": "03:08:56", "end": "03:08:59", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. Yeah. So,"}, {"start": "03:08:57", "end": "03:09:01", "text": "he's he asks then why, you know, what"}, {"start": "03:08:59", "end": "03:09:02", "text": "kind of information is that? What kind"}, {"start": "03:09:01", "end": "03:09:06", "text": "of knowledge is that? And so, he's"}, {"start": "03:09:02", "end": "03:09:10", "text": "talking about uh getting that knowledge"}, {"start": "03:09:06", "end": "03:09:13", "text": "through dreams and through um I guess"}, {"start": "03:09:10", "end": "03:09:15", "text": "it's like a hypogic state. Yes. And so"}, {"start": "03:09:13", "end": "03:09:16", "text": "forth. And getting those and art, you"}, {"start": "03:09:15", "end": "03:09:18", "text": "know, which you're in that kind of state"}, {"start": "03:09:16", "end": "03:09:20", "text": "when you're doing art or writing and"}, {"start": "03:09:18", "end": "03:09:23", "text": "things like that. So he says that during"}, {"start": "03:09:20", "end": "03:09:25", "text": "those states of mind, these images come"}, {"start": "03:09:23", "end": "03:09:27", "text": "into our consciousness from the future"}, {"start": "03:09:25", "end": "03:09:29", "text": "because of the block universe. I think"}, {"start": "03:09:27", "end": "03:09:32", "text": "that's what he says. I don't want to get"}, {"start": "03:09:29", "end": "03:09:34", "text": "him wrong because they but your your"}, {"start": "03:09:32", "end": "03:09:35", "text": "viewers need to read his books because"}, {"start": "03:09:34", "end": "03:09:37", "text": "they're really good. They're really"}, {"start": "03:09:35", "end": "03:09:38", "text": "accessible and it will definitely blow"}, {"start": "03:09:37", "end": "03:09:40", "text": "your mind."}, {"start": "03:09:38", "end": "03:09:41", "text": ">> It does. Um to boil down block"}, {"start": "03:09:40", "end": "03:09:43", "text": "universes, you know, people talk about"}, {"start": "03:09:41", "end": "03:09:44", "text": "the grandfather paradox. Can't go back"}, {"start": "03:09:43", "end": "03:09:45", "text": "in time. You know, if you kill meet your"}, {"start": "03:09:44", "end": "03:09:46", "text": "grandfather, kill your grandfather,"}, {"start": "03:09:45", "end": "03:09:49", "text": "you're never born, blah blah blah. And"}, {"start": "03:09:46", "end": "03:09:52", "text": "Eric says, \"That doesn't work because of"}, {"start": "03:09:49", "end": "03:09:54", "text": "the the black un you.\" Well, why didn't"}, {"start": "03:09:52", "end": "03:09:55", "text": "I kill my grandfather? And the answer is"}, {"start": "03:09:54", "end": "03:09:55", "text": "because you didn't."}, {"start": "03:09:55", "end": "03:09:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:09:55", "end": "03:10:00", "text": ">> And that's it. That's the whole theory."}, {"start": "03:09:57", "end": "03:10:01", "text": "Cuz you didn't. Cuz here you are."}, {"start": "03:10:00", "end": "03:10:03", "text": ">> And that's it. So there is no other"}, {"start": "03:10:01", "end": "03:10:04", "text": "timelines. There's nothing like that."}, {"start": "03:10:03", "end": "03:10:07", "text": "You we know you didn't kill him because"}, {"start": "03:10:04", "end": "03:10:09", "text": "here you are. It's just as simple as"}, {"start": "03:10:07", "end": "03:10:13", "text": "that. And And that just kind of blew my"}, {"start": "03:10:09", "end": "03:10:15", "text": "mind. And he has so many examples of it."}, {"start": "03:10:13", "end": "03:10:18", "text": ">> Yeah. Does the church have any theories"}, {"start": "03:10:15", "end": "03:10:19", "text": "or statements on time travel is not"}, {"start": "03:10:18", "end": "03:10:21", "text": "really the right right word, but how"}, {"start": "03:10:19", "end": "03:10:25", "text": "time works. You know, see Arthur C."}, {"start": "03:10:21", "end": "03:10:26", "text": "Clark and the Overmind said you this is"}, {"start": "03:10:25", "end": "03:10:28", "text": "how time and space work. You just don't"}, {"start": "03:10:26", "end": "03:10:30", "text": "know it yet. This is just how it is."}, {"start": "03:10:28", "end": "03:10:32", "text": ">> That's right. That's right. So, the"}, {"start": "03:10:30", "end": "03:10:36", "text": "church is pro-science. Okay. Even though"}, {"start": "03:10:32", "end": "03:10:38", "text": "it gets a bad rap, right? Um but they're"}, {"start": "03:10:36", "end": "03:10:41", "text": "they're open to uh scientific"}, {"start": "03:10:38", "end": "03:10:44", "text": "discoveries and they're very open to"}, {"start": "03:10:41", "end": "03:10:46", "text": "that. Um, so I would imagine that, you"}, {"start": "03:10:44", "end": "03:10:48", "text": "know, but they're in they're doing it"}, {"start": "03:10:46", "end": "03:10:50", "text": "the way that academics do, which is in"}, {"start": "03:10:48", "end": "03:10:52", "text": "peer review, right? Right. So you don't"}, {"start": "03:10:50", "end": "03:10:54", "text": "just throw it as theory and say that's"}, {"start": "03:10:52", "end": "03:10:56", "text": "true. You actually have it tested and"}, {"start": "03:10:54", "end": "03:10:58", "text": "then people have to test it again and"}, {"start": "03:10:56", "end": "03:11:01", "text": "you have to say, okay, it's a theory and"}, {"start": "03:10:58", "end": "03:11:03", "text": "it seems to work this way. Uh, so they"}, {"start": "03:11:01", "end": "03:11:05", "text": "they're slow that way of like, you know,"}, {"start": "03:11:03", "end": "03:11:07", "text": "they're they're not um jumping to any"}, {"start": "03:11:05", "end": "03:11:09", "text": "kind of like fast conclusion about"}, {"start": "03:11:07", "end": "03:11:12", "text": "anything, but definitely they'd be open"}, {"start": "03:11:09", "end": "03:11:14", "text": "to that. Uh there is a I'm trying to"}, {"start": "03:11:12", "end": "03:11:16", "text": "think of his name. Oh my goodness. He's"}, {"start": "03:11:14", "end": "03:11:20", "text": "a theologian that was actually talking"}, {"start": "03:11:16", "end": "03:11:23", "text": "about some of the oh Mary and basically"}, {"start": "03:11:20", "end": "03:11:25", "text": "saying that um this is a theologian in"}, {"start": "03:11:23", "end": "03:11:28", "text": "writing in the early medieval time"}, {"start": "03:11:25", "end": "03:11:29", "text": "period and he basically his idea and"}, {"start": "03:11:28", "end": "03:11:31", "text": "he's a very famous theologian even"}, {"start": "03:11:29", "end": "03:11:33", "text": "though sadly I can't remember who it is"}, {"start": "03:11:31", "end": "03:11:35", "text": "but um but I'll figure it out and let"}, {"start": "03:11:33", "end": "03:11:37", "text": "you know. Okay. Um"}, {"start": "03:11:35", "end": "03:11:42", "text": ">> welcome to middle age kid."}, {"start": "03:11:37", "end": "03:11:45", "text": ">> So okay. Yeah. So all right. So um he's"}, {"start": "03:11:42", "end": "03:11:47", "text": "he's basically saying Mary is what this"}, {"start": "03:11:45", "end": "03:11:49", "text": "is before the idea of the immaculate"}, {"start": "03:11:47", "end": "03:11:51", "text": "conception of Mary. Okay. So it's not a"}, {"start": "03:11:49", "end": "03:11:52", "text": "dogma yet in the middle ages and but"}, {"start": "03:11:51", "end": "03:11:54", "text": "people are talking about it. And he"}, {"start": "03:11:52", "end": "03:11:58", "text": "said, \"I believe that Mary is"}, {"start": "03:11:54", "end": "03:12:00", "text": "immaculately conceived because it was"}, {"start": "03:11:58", "end": "03:12:03", "text": "already pre-ordained.\" Like, you know,"}, {"start": "03:12:00", "end": "03:12:05", "text": "so he's already talking about like time"}, {"start": "03:12:03", "end": "03:12:07", "text": "not being linear, that this being from"}, {"start": "03:12:05", "end": "03:12:08", "text": "the beginning of time, she's this way"}, {"start": "03:12:07", "end": "03:12:09", "text": "before she's even born,"}, {"start": "03:12:08", "end": "03:12:11", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:12:09", "end": "03:12:11", "text": ">> So, yeah. So, it's in the Catholic"}, {"start": "03:12:11", "end": "03:12:14", "text": "tradition."}, {"start": "03:12:11", "end": "03:12:16", "text": ">> I guess that's that's true. Prophecy is"}, {"start": "03:12:14", "end": "03:12:18", "text": "just is just recognition."}, {"start": "03:12:16", "end": "03:12:19", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:12:18", "end": "03:12:20", "text": ">> I have a couple of short ones before we"}, {"start": "03:12:19", "end": "03:12:22", "text": "let you go."}, {"start": "03:12:20", "end": "03:12:26", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:12:22", "end": "03:12:28", "text": "Um, you tell the story. I mean, everyone"}, {"start": "03:12:26", "end": "03:12:29", "text": "wants to hear about Fatima."}, {"start": "03:12:28", "end": "03:12:30", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "03:12:29", "end": "03:12:33", "text": ">> Yeah, of course. Everyone loves loves"}, {"start": "03:12:30", "end": "03:12:34", "text": "the secrets of Fatima. I'd like to if"}, {"start": "03:12:33", "end": "03:12:38", "text": "you could tell us about Fatima, but also"}, {"start": "03:12:34", "end": "03:12:40", "text": "how Neden and Bayside I think the church"}, {"start": "03:12:38", "end": "03:12:41", "text": "agreed that Fatima was something."}, {"start": "03:12:40", "end": "03:12:42", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:12:41", "end": "03:12:42", "text": ">> Ned and Bayside. No."}, {"start": "03:12:42", "end": "03:12:44", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "03:12:42", "end": "03:12:47", "text": ">> Definitely not."}, {"start": "03:12:44", "end": "03:12:48", "text": ">> How did How did they decide which was"}, {"start": "03:12:47", "end": "03:12:52", "text": ">> real and not?"}, {"start": "03:12:48", "end": "03:12:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. So the church's idea about"}, {"start": "03:12:52", "end": "03:12:56", "text": "Marian apparitions. Yes. Okay. So there"}, {"start": "03:12:54", "end": "03:12:57", "text": "aren't very many approved Marian"}, {"start": "03:12:56", "end": "03:12:58", "text": "apparitions,"}, {"start": "03:12:57", "end": "03:13:00", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:12:58", "end": "03:13:01", "text": ">> Uh the reason Well, first off, do you"}, {"start": "03:13:00", "end": "03:13:02", "text": "want me to talk about Fatima?"}, {"start": "03:13:01", "end": "03:13:05", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:13:02", "end": "03:13:08", "text": ">> Okay. So Fatima is uh Fatima uh"}, {"start": "03:13:05", "end": "03:13:10", "text": "Portugal. And it's again it's kind of"}, {"start": "03:13:08", "end": "03:13:12", "text": "like Gerabendal. So it's a it's a"}, {"start": "03:13:10", "end": "03:13:14", "text": "mountainous region where there's a group"}, {"start": "03:13:12", "end": "03:13:19", "text": "of people a couple hundred people in"}, {"start": "03:13:14", "end": "03:13:22", "text": "this town. And there there are, by the"}, {"start": "03:13:19", "end": "03:13:23", "text": "way, a couple of angel events that"}, {"start": "03:13:22", "end": "03:13:25", "text": "happen before the Virgin Mary comes"}, {"start": "03:13:23", "end": "03:13:27", "text": "along. Okay, so there are these"}, {"start": "03:13:25", "end": "03:13:30", "text": "children. They're playing. There's three"}, {"start": "03:13:27", "end": "03:13:33", "text": "of them and an angel appears to them."}, {"start": "03:13:30", "end": "03:13:35", "text": "And they're afraid, frankly. You know,"}, {"start": "03:13:33", "end": "03:13:36", "text": "what's that? And they don't even"}, {"start": "03:13:35", "end": "03:13:38", "text": "recognize really that it's an angel."}, {"start": "03:13:36", "end": "03:13:39", "text": "They're like, what is this? You know,"}, {"start": "03:13:38", "end": "03:13:41", "text": "and then it kind of talks to them. It"}, {"start": "03:13:39", "end": "03:13:43", "text": "says, you need to get ready. You need to"}, {"start": "03:13:41", "end": "03:13:46", "text": "start praying. And they don't know why,"}, {"start": "03:13:43", "end": "03:13:48", "text": "but they're going to do it. And then um"}, {"start": "03:13:46", "end": "03:13:50", "text": "at some point they they learn that the"}, {"start": "03:13:48", "end": "03:13:53", "text": "the Virgin Mary is going to show up,"}, {"start": "03:13:50", "end": "03:13:55", "text": "right? And but a question about whether"}, {"start": "03:13:53", "end": "03:13:58", "text": "or not she's the Virgin Mary arises,"}, {"start": "03:13:55", "end": "03:14:00", "text": "right? You know, who is this lady? Um"}, {"start": "03:13:58", "end": "03:14:03", "text": "she shows up. She looks like a doll."}, {"start": "03:14:00", "end": "03:14:06", "text": "She's beautiful. And uh they experience"}, {"start": "03:14:03", "end": "03:14:07", "text": "kind of like a a a trance state while"}, {"start": "03:14:06", "end": "03:14:09", "text": "they're they're in. By the way, the"}, {"start": "03:14:07", "end": "03:14:11", "text": "animals around them do too, which is"}, {"start": "03:14:09", "end": "03:14:11", "text": "really like the private gravity thing."}, {"start": "03:14:11", "end": "03:14:14", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "03:14:11", "end": "03:14:17", "text": ">> Okay. So the animals kind of and they're"}, {"start": "03:14:14", "end": "03:14:19", "text": "exhausted for days after she shows up,"}, {"start": "03:14:17", "end": "03:14:23", "text": "right? And so she shows up and she tells"}, {"start": "03:14:19", "end": "03:14:25", "text": "them to pray and do fasting and pretty"}, {"start": "03:14:23", "end": "03:14:26", "text": "much that's it, right? Uh there's an"}, {"start": "03:14:25", "end": "03:14:29", "text": "indication that there's like a secret"}, {"start": "03:14:26", "end": "03:14:32", "text": "though. And so this drives the the"}, {"start": "03:14:29", "end": "03:14:34", "text": "parish priest crazy and people then"}, {"start": "03:14:32", "end": "03:14:36", "text": "believe because the they just don't"}, {"start": "03:14:34", "end": "03:14:38", "text": "think the children are lying and they"}, {"start": "03:14:36", "end": "03:14:40", "text": "can tell that the children are seeing"}, {"start": "03:14:38", "end": "03:14:42", "text": "something because of the way the"}, {"start": "03:14:40", "end": "03:14:43", "text": "children are looking up the same thing"}, {"start": "03:14:42", "end": "03:14:45", "text": "like their eyes are focused on the same"}, {"start": "03:14:43", "end": "03:14:48", "text": "thing. And if you study Marian"}, {"start": "03:14:45", "end": "03:14:50", "text": "apparitions that's a feature of them is"}, {"start": "03:14:48", "end": "03:14:52", "text": "that a lot of times people like doctors"}, {"start": "03:14:50", "end": "03:14:54", "text": "and skeptics will will do everything"}, {"start": "03:14:52", "end": "03:14:56", "text": "they can to try to get them out of the"}, {"start": "03:14:54", "end": "03:14:57", "text": "trance or to find out where their eyes"}, {"start": "03:14:56", "end": "03:14:59", "text": "are. you know, they're looking at the"}, {"start": "03:14:57", "end": "03:15:02", "text": "same thing. No one else can see it."}, {"start": "03:14:59", "end": "03:15:04", "text": "Sometimes other people can see it. Okay?"}, {"start": "03:15:02", "end": "03:15:06", "text": "Sometimes people can see it. And um so"}, {"start": "03:15:04", "end": "03:15:08", "text": "all these people show up. So it becomes"}, {"start": "03:15:06", "end": "03:15:11", "text": "like a zoo in the town. And so the"}, {"start": "03:15:08", "end": "03:15:12", "text": "priest is trying to get the kids to like"}, {"start": "03:15:11", "end": "03:15:14", "text": "chill out, you know, don't do this. He"}, {"start": "03:15:12", "end": "03:15:16", "text": "kidnaps them. Doesn't kidnap him, but"}, {"start": "03:15:14", "end": "03:15:19", "text": "yeah, kidnaps him. Okay. Takes him away"}, {"start": "03:15:16", "end": "03:15:20", "text": "so that they can't make the the date"}, {"start": "03:15:19", "end": "03:15:21", "text": "that the Virgin Mary is going to show up"}, {"start": "03:15:20", "end": "03:15:23", "text": "on."}, {"start": "03:15:21", "end": "03:15:25", "text": ">> And the town's people uh you know, death"}, {"start": "03:15:23", "end": "03:15:27", "text": "threat him. and they're like, \"Let those"}, {"start": "03:15:25", "end": "03:15:30", "text": "kids go.\" They show up, the town's"}, {"start": "03:15:27", "end": "03:15:32", "text": "people show up. Um, some stuff happens"}, {"start": "03:15:30", "end": "03:15:33", "text": "there at the, you know, where the Virgin"}, {"start": "03:15:32", "end": "03:15:36", "text": "Mary is going to show up, but the kids"}, {"start": "03:15:33", "end": "03:15:38", "text": "aren't there. So, um, so there's a lot"}, {"start": "03:15:36", "end": "03:15:40", "text": "of drama."}, {"start": "03:15:38", "end": "03:15:41", "text": "Then priests come from the Vatican."}, {"start": "03:15:40", "end": "03:15:43", "text": "They're like, \"We need to figure out"}, {"start": "03:15:41", "end": "03:15:45", "text": "what the heck's going on here, right?\""}, {"start": "03:15:43", "end": "03:15:46", "text": "And so, they do, you know, they"}, {"start": "03:15:45", "end": "03:15:48", "text": "interview the kids and so forth, and"}, {"start": "03:15:46", "end": "03:15:50", "text": "they begin to see that it does seem"}, {"start": "03:15:48", "end": "03:15:52", "text": "like, you know, something's going on"}, {"start": "03:15:50", "end": "03:15:54", "text": "here. We don't know what, but it looks"}, {"start": "03:15:52", "end": "03:15:57", "text": "like she's in, you know, ask the lady"}, {"start": "03:15:54", "end": "03:15:58", "text": "what she wants. Ask the lady what her"}, {"start": "03:15:57", "end": "03:16:00", "text": "name is. They do all these things. They"}, {"start": "03:15:58", "end": "03:16:02", "text": "tell the kids. Okay. The kids ask that."}, {"start": "03:16:00", "end": "03:16:03", "text": "They give the answers to the priests. So"}, {"start": "03:16:02", "end": "03:16:04", "text": "the"}, {"start": "03:16:03", "end": "03:16:05", "text": ">> What year is this?"}, {"start": "03:16:04", "end": "03:16:06", "text": ">> What's that?"}, {"start": "03:16:05", "end": "03:16:07", "text": ">> About what year is this?"}, {"start": "03:16:06", "end": "03:16:08", "text": ">> Okay, this is 1917,"}, {"start": "03:16:07", "end": "03:16:10", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:16:08", "end": "03:16:13", "text": ">> So there are, I believe, six apparitions"}, {"start": "03:16:10", "end": "03:16:15", "text": "each month on the 13th. The last one is"}, {"start": "03:16:13", "end": "03:16:18", "text": "October 13th. And I could be wrong on"}, {"start": "03:16:15", "end": "03:16:21", "text": "the six, but I I don't think I am. And"}, {"start": "03:16:18", "end": "03:16:23", "text": "so at this point though the there are"}, {"start": "03:16:21", "end": "03:16:27", "text": "lots of people who are showing up like"}, {"start": "03:16:23", "end": "03:16:30", "text": "probably 20,000 30,000 60,000 and so"}, {"start": "03:16:27", "end": "03:16:32", "text": "they the Virgin Mary tells the kids this"}, {"start": "03:16:30", "end": "03:16:34", "text": "last I'm going to show up and this time"}, {"start": "03:16:32", "end": "03:16:36", "text": "it's going to be a big deal. I'm going"}, {"start": "03:16:34", "end": "03:16:38", "text": "to show you some stuff and tell that to"}, {"start": "03:16:36", "end": "03:16:42", "text": "the people. Right? So they do they tell"}, {"start": "03:16:38", "end": "03:16:46", "text": "the people and between 70,000 to 100,000"}, {"start": "03:16:42", "end": "03:16:49", "text": "people show up right at this place"}, {"start": "03:16:46", "end": "03:16:51", "text": "devastating the town you know I mean but"}, {"start": "03:16:49", "end": "03:16:53", "text": "um but a lot of people see something"}, {"start": "03:16:51", "end": "03:16:55", "text": "it's called the miracle of the sun"}, {"start": "03:16:53", "end": "03:16:58", "text": ">> and there's phenomena that happen it"}, {"start": "03:16:55", "end": "03:17:00", "text": "looks really UFO like right circular"}, {"start": "03:16:58", "end": "03:17:03", "text": "spinning discs and things like that and"}, {"start": "03:17:00", "end": "03:17:06", "text": "a lot of people see it some people don't"}, {"start": "03:17:03", "end": "03:17:09", "text": "see it um some people see other things."}, {"start": "03:17:06", "end": "03:17:10", "text": "Uh they're they're all hanging out"}, {"start": "03:17:09", "end": "03:17:13", "text": "there, all the people, and then rain"}, {"start": "03:17:10", "end": "03:17:16", "text": "comes and they're all soaking wet. And"}, {"start": "03:17:13", "end": "03:17:18", "text": "then what happens is that after the"}, {"start": "03:17:16", "end": "03:17:21", "text": "miracle of the sun happens, everybody's"}, {"start": "03:17:18", "end": "03:17:24", "text": "super dry, like completely dry. And this"}, {"start": "03:17:21", "end": "03:17:26", "text": "is all photographed by people there who"}, {"start": "03:17:24", "end": "03:17:28", "text": "were, you know, there to do, they're not"}, {"start": "03:17:26", "end": "03:17:31", "text": "there to believe. They're there to to"}, {"start": "03:17:28", "end": "03:17:33", "text": "document it. It's photographed. It's um"}, {"start": "03:17:31", "end": "03:17:34", "text": "people from miles and miles away see"}, {"start": "03:17:33", "end": "03:17:36", "text": "something in the sky and they're like,"}, {"start": "03:17:34", "end": "03:17:39", "text": "\"What's going on over there? There's"}, {"start": "03:17:36", "end": "03:17:42", "text": "some kind of solar event, right?\" And so"}, {"start": "03:17:39", "end": "03:17:47", "text": "people that are skeptics become"}, {"start": "03:17:42", "end": "03:17:48", "text": "believers. Um a lot of things happen and"}, {"start": "03:17:47", "end": "03:17:50", "text": "this is now known as the miracle of the"}, {"start": "03:17:48", "end": "03:17:53", "text": "sun. So it takes the church a long time"}, {"start": "03:17:50", "end": "03:17:56", "text": "to say, you know, they have to interview"}, {"start": "03:17:53", "end": "03:17:58", "text": "the kids. The two younger kids uh pass"}, {"start": "03:17:56", "end": "03:18:00", "text": "away. the Virgin Mary says she that they"}, {"start": "03:17:58", "end": "03:18:03", "text": "would like they're going to be taken"}, {"start": "03:18:00", "end": "03:18:07", "text": "early. Uh the older one, Luchia or"}, {"start": "03:18:03", "end": "03:18:09", "text": "Lucia, um she becomes a nun and uh she"}, {"start": "03:18:07", "end": "03:18:11", "text": "goes on to write her diary and so forth"}, {"start": "03:18:09", "end": "03:18:14", "text": "and it's now one of the biggest"}, {"start": "03:18:11", "end": "03:18:16", "text": "pilgrimages in the world and uh so"}, {"start": "03:18:14", "end": "03:18:19", "text": "that's Fatima."}, {"start": "03:18:16", "end": "03:18:23", "text": ">> What was the what were the secrets?"}, {"start": "03:18:19", "end": "03:18:25", "text": ">> Okay, so that's a good question. So"}, {"start": "03:18:23", "end": "03:18:27", "text": "there is continuous"}, {"start": "03:18:25", "end": "03:18:30", "text": "dialogue and debate about the secrets"}, {"start": "03:18:27", "end": "03:18:33", "text": "because the secrets I think one of the"}, {"start": "03:18:30", "end": "03:18:36", "text": "secrets was well first the the kids had"}, {"start": "03:18:33", "end": "03:18:39", "text": "a version they h got to see hell which"}, {"start": "03:18:36", "end": "03:18:42", "text": "was horrific for them and traumatic and"}, {"start": "03:18:39", "end": "03:18:45", "text": "um they said that humanity really needs"}, {"start": "03:18:42", "end": "03:18:47", "text": "to like start living in a better way"}, {"start": "03:18:45", "end": "03:18:50", "text": "right because we're headed for a dark"}, {"start": "03:18:47", "end": "03:18:52", "text": "season okay and so it's in that way"}, {"start": "03:18:50", "end": "03:18:54", "text": "apocalyptic not in the Greek word sense"}, {"start": "03:18:52", "end": "03:18:58", "text": "but in the normal sense that people use"}, {"start": "03:18:54", "end": "03:18:59", "text": "that word in. Um all right so one of the"}, {"start": "03:18:58", "end": "03:19:02", "text": "secrets though is very debated. This is"}, {"start": "03:18:59", "end": "03:19:05", "text": "called the third secret of Fatima. And"}, {"start": "03:19:02", "end": "03:19:08", "text": "so what the children were told you have"}, {"start": "03:19:05", "end": "03:19:12", "text": "this secret and give it to the holy"}, {"start": "03:19:08", "end": "03:19:14", "text": "father and open it in 1960. Okay. Well"}, {"start": "03:19:12", "end": "03:19:16", "text": "196 this was in 1917."}, {"start": "03:19:14", "end": "03:19:18", "text": "So everybody goes along you know people"}, {"start": "03:19:16", "end": "03:19:20", "text": "are doing the best they can to be good"}, {"start": "03:19:18", "end": "03:19:22", "text": "Catholics and so forth and they go to"}, {"start": "03:19:20", "end": "03:19:24", "text": "the Fatima and so forth."}, {"start": "03:19:22", "end": "03:19:26", "text": "1960 comes along and the pope doesn't"}, {"start": "03:19:24", "end": "03:19:28", "text": "read the secret, right? Doesn't read it"}, {"start": "03:19:26", "end": "03:19:31", "text": "to people. So, people are very upset"}, {"start": "03:19:28", "end": "03:19:34", "text": "like why why what are you doing? Um it"}, {"start": "03:19:31", "end": "03:19:38", "text": "comes along to John Paul II. He becomes"}, {"start": "03:19:34", "end": "03:19:40", "text": "Pope. He has the secret and again nobody"}, {"start": "03:19:38", "end": "03:19:42", "text": "he's not releasing the secret. Why? You"}, {"start": "03:19:40", "end": "03:19:44", "text": "know, and then Pope Benedict says,"}, {"start": "03:19:42", "end": "03:19:46", "text": "\"Well, okay, this is what the secret's"}, {"start": "03:19:44", "end": "03:19:48", "text": "about, but it's probably not the"}, {"start": "03:19:46", "end": "03:19:49", "text": "secret.\" I don't know, AJ. This is this"}, {"start": "03:19:48", "end": "03:19:51", "text": "is just"}, {"start": "03:19:49", "end": "03:19:52", "text": ">> this is in 2000 when when it was finally"}, {"start": "03:19:51", "end": "03:19:54", "text": "released."}, {"start": "03:19:52", "end": "03:19:55", "text": ">> Yeah. And um is it the secret? A lot of"}, {"start": "03:19:54", "end": "03:19:59", "text": "people don't believe it is."}, {"start": "03:19:55", "end": "03:20:01", "text": ">> Well, the secret is um the Holy Father"}, {"start": "03:19:59", "end": "03:20:04", "text": "escaping the burning city, climbing over"}, {"start": "03:20:01", "end": "03:20:05", "text": "the corpses of his disciples."}, {"start": "03:20:04", "end": "03:20:07", "text": ">> Yeah. It's it's a very end of the world"}, {"start": "03:20:05", "end": "03:20:09", "text": "type of an end of the Catholic Church"}, {"start": "03:20:07", "end": "03:20:10", "text": "type of"}, {"start": "03:20:09", "end": "03:20:13", "text": ">> I think the official statement was it"}, {"start": "03:20:10", "end": "03:20:15", "text": "was an interpretation of um John Paul's"}, {"start": "03:20:13", "end": "03:20:17", "text": "assassination in 81."}, {"start": "03:20:15", "end": "03:20:19", "text": ">> Yeah, that was what interpretation."}, {"start": "03:20:17", "end": "03:20:20", "text": "Well, he was a huge he was a huge Marian"}, {"start": "03:20:19", "end": "03:20:22", "text": "saint. Yes."}, {"start": "03:20:20", "end": "03:20:24", "text": ">> I mean, yeah, he is a saint now. He's a"}, {"start": "03:20:22", "end": "03:20:25", "text": "huge Marian pope."}, {"start": "03:20:24", "end": "03:20:27", "text": ">> Definitely believer."}, {"start": "03:20:25", "end": "03:20:30", "text": ">> I didn't I don't really buy that from"}, {"start": "03:20:27", "end": "03:20:32", "text": "the church. It sounds like it that's"}, {"start": "03:20:30", "end": "03:20:35", "text": "kind of a stretcher. The third sequel is"}, {"start": "03:20:32", "end": "03:20:37", "text": "very specific."}, {"start": "03:20:35", "end": "03:20:41", "text": ">> I don't know, but I do know that right"}, {"start": "03:20:37", "end": "03:20:44", "text": "now Virgin Mary apparitions are global"}, {"start": "03:20:41", "end": "03:20:47", "text": "and even non-atholic. So there was a big"}, {"start": "03:20:44", "end": "03:20:49", "text": "Marian apparition in Zitune, Egypt. And"}, {"start": "03:20:47", "end": "03:20:51", "text": "that was the the church, not the"}, {"start": "03:20:49", "end": "03:20:52", "text": "Catholic church there, but the Coptic I"}, {"start": "03:20:51", "end": "03:20:54", "text": "think it was the Coptic church. Um I"}, {"start": "03:20:52", "end": "03:20:57", "text": "could be wrong. It's the Orthodox church"}, {"start": "03:20:54", "end": "03:21:00", "text": "in that region. It was their Marian"}, {"start": "03:20:57", "end": "03:21:02", "text": "apparition, right? And hundreds of"}, {"start": "03:21:00", "end": "03:21:05", "text": "thousands of people saw that and they"}, {"start": "03:21:02", "end": "03:21:09", "text": "have photographs of it. Uh so she is now"}, {"start": "03:21:05", "end": "03:21:10", "text": "become kind of like a global phenomena"}, {"start": "03:21:09", "end": "03:21:14", "text": "beyond Catholicism."}, {"start": "03:21:10", "end": "03:21:16", "text": ">> Sure. So what made um Nedan and Bayside"}, {"start": "03:21:14", "end": "03:21:17", "text": "different that the church said this is"}, {"start": "03:21:16", "end": "03:21:20", "text": "and people still go there right?"}, {"start": "03:21:17", "end": "03:21:23", "text": ">> Oh yes I believe. Yeah. So okay so"}, {"start": "03:21:20", "end": "03:21:23", "text": "Bayside uh is it New Jersey?"}, {"start": "03:21:23", "end": "03:21:28", "text": ">> Queens."}, {"start": "03:21:23", "end": "03:21:31", "text": ">> Queens. Okay. And uh Nita Wisconsin."}, {"start": "03:21:28", "end": "03:21:34", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. So one uh Nita happens in"}, {"start": "03:21:31", "end": "03:21:37", "text": "the 1950s and Bayside happens in the"}, {"start": "03:21:34", "end": "03:21:40", "text": "1990s I think. I can't remember."}, {"start": "03:21:37", "end": "03:21:41", "text": ">> Sorry guys. Um so many Virgin Mary"}, {"start": "03:21:40", "end": "03:21:45", "text": "apparitions. Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:21:41", "end": "03:21:47", "text": ">> but I did have uh I worked on these two"}, {"start": "03:21:45", "end": "03:21:49", "text": "apparitions with some graduate students"}, {"start": "03:21:47", "end": "03:21:52", "text": "and actually some former students who"}, {"start": "03:21:49", "end": "03:21:55", "text": "are now professors and uh we did some"}, {"start": "03:21:52", "end": "03:21:57", "text": "new research on it and okay so the"}, {"start": "03:21:55", "end": "03:22:02", "text": "Virgin Mary shows up to some women both"}, {"start": "03:21:57", "end": "03:22:05", "text": "in each case right and um it at first it"}, {"start": "03:22:02", "end": "03:22:06", "text": "seems pretty normal for a Marian"}, {"start": "03:22:05", "end": "03:22:09", "text": "apparition she doesn't say too much she"}, {"start": "03:22:06", "end": "03:22:12", "text": "says do the good thing like fast pray"}, {"start": "03:22:09", "end": "03:22:17", "text": "right do the good works and whatnot, but"}, {"start": "03:22:12", "end": "03:22:19", "text": "then they get kind of like very very um"}, {"start": "03:22:17", "end": "03:22:21", "text": "you wouldn't think the Virgin Mary would"}, {"start": "03:22:19", "end": "03:22:22", "text": "say these things like very specific"}, {"start": "03:22:21", "end": "03:22:24", "text": "about who in the Catholic Church is"}, {"start": "03:22:22", "end": "03:22:26", "text": "going to hell and you know things like"}, {"start": "03:22:24", "end": "03:22:30", "text": "that. So that that gives the indication"}, {"start": "03:22:26", "end": "03:22:32", "text": "to the Catholic hierarchy. No, these are"}, {"start": "03:22:30", "end": "03:22:34", "text": "not you know but then they they get a"}, {"start": "03:22:32", "end": "03:22:36", "text": "lot of followers because there's push"}, {"start": "03:22:34", "end": "03:22:38", "text": "back against the Vatican council. you"}, {"start": "03:22:36", "end": "03:22:40", "text": "know what's happening in Vatican 2 and"}, {"start": "03:22:38", "end": "03:22:43", "text": "that even started before the Vatican 2"}, {"start": "03:22:40", "end": "03:22:46", "text": "in the 1950s with NA. Now what's really"}, {"start": "03:22:43", "end": "03:22:49", "text": "weird though this is weird. So the last"}, {"start": "03:22:46", "end": "03:22:51", "text": "time we looked into this one of my uh"}, {"start": "03:22:49", "end": "03:22:57", "text": "the associates who we were working on"}, {"start": "03:22:51", "end": "03:22:59", "text": "this together uncovered in NEDA the the"}, {"start": "03:22:57", "end": "03:23:00", "text": "presence of people that look like men in"}, {"start": "03:22:59", "end": "03:23:01", "text": "black."}, {"start": "03:23:00", "end": "03:23:03", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:23:01", "end": "03:23:05", "text": ">> Yeah. He was freaked out by it and he"}, {"start": "03:23:03", "end": "03:23:07", "text": "freaked me out too. So he basically"}, {"start": "03:23:05", "end": "03:23:09", "text": "uncovered it in the primary source"}, {"start": "03:23:07", "end": "03:23:11", "text": "material where she's talking about her"}, {"start": "03:23:09", "end": "03:23:15", "text": "experiences. This is the woman who um"}, {"start": "03:23:11", "end": "03:23:18", "text": "Mary an um"}, {"start": "03:23:15", "end": "03:23:20", "text": "uh Hoof and she's she's writing her"}, {"start": "03:23:18", "end": "03:23:23", "text": "diaries and she said and then these now"}, {"start": "03:23:20", "end": "03:23:26", "text": "this is the 1950s these men show up and"}, {"start": "03:23:23", "end": "03:23:28", "text": "they wear all black and they show up in"}, {"start": "03:23:26", "end": "03:23:31", "text": "dark cars without their headlights on"}, {"start": "03:23:28", "end": "03:23:33", "text": "and they come and they tell me that I'm"}, {"start": "03:23:31", "end": "03:23:34", "text": "bad and that I need to stop doing this"}, {"start": "03:23:33", "end": "03:23:37", "text": "and they tell me that I'm a terrible"}, {"start": "03:23:34", "end": "03:23:39", "text": "person and you know they hang outside my"}, {"start": "03:23:37", "end": "03:23:42", "text": "window and they come at all hours and"}, {"start": "03:23:39", "end": "03:23:43", "text": "they harass harass me. Pretty strange."}, {"start": "03:23:42", "end": "03:23:43", "text": ">> It is."}, {"start": "03:23:43", "end": "03:23:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:23:43", "end": "03:23:47", "text": ">> It makes me want to go look at the"}, {"start": "03:23:45", "end": "03:23:48", "text": "photos of Fatima to see who's in that"}, {"start": "03:23:47", "end": "03:23:51", "text": "crowd."}, {"start": "03:23:48", "end": "03:23:51", "text": ">> Yeah, cuz we all those we have a ton of"}, {"start": "03:23:51", "end": "03:23:52", "text": "photos,"}, {"start": "03:23:51", "end": "03:23:53", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:23:52", "end": "03:23:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:23:53", "end": "03:23:56", "text": ">> Um, do you believe those second two"}, {"start": "03:23:55", "end": "03:23:58", "text": "sightings? I mean, I think we all"}, {"start": "03:23:56", "end": "03:23:58", "text": "believe Fatima, right?"}, {"start": "03:23:58", "end": "03:23:59", "text": ">> I do."}, {"start": "03:23:58", "end": "03:24:02", "text": ">> I do, too."}, {"start": "03:23:59", "end": "03:24:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, I believe something paranormal"}, {"start": "03:24:02", "end": "03:24:08", "text": "is happening in those sightings, but I"}, {"start": "03:24:05", "end": "03:24:10", "text": "don't I don't think that it's the same"}, {"start": "03:24:08", "end": "03:24:11", "text": "type of thing that's happening in Fatima"}, {"start": "03:24:10", "end": "03:24:12", "text": "or in Gerabendall. I believe in Gerabend"}, {"start": "03:24:11", "end": "03:24:13", "text": "Doll, too, even though it's not"}, {"start": "03:24:12", "end": "03:24:15", "text": "approved."}, {"start": "03:24:13", "end": "03:24:16", "text": ">> What about U Guadalupe? Do you believe"}, {"start": "03:24:15", "end": "03:24:17", "text": "that one?"}, {"start": "03:24:16", "end": "03:24:19", "text": ">> Absolutely. I believe that one. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:24:17", "end": "03:24:22", "text": "Yeah, I believe. And I'll tell you why."}, {"start": "03:24:19", "end": "03:24:23", "text": "Because first, the tilma is weird. If"}, {"start": "03:24:22", "end": "03:24:26", "text": "you look into the tilma, you know, the"}, {"start": "03:24:23", "end": "03:24:29", "text": "tilma is the image of our lady that's in"}, {"start": "03:24:26", "end": "03:24:30", "text": "New Mexico. Uh, do a study on that. And"}, {"start": "03:24:29", "end": "03:24:33", "text": "it's I mean art historians have studied"}, {"start": "03:24:30", "end": "03:24:34", "text": "it too and a lot of them say well it's"}, {"start": "03:24:33", "end": "03:24:38", "text": "painted and stuff. Well some parts of it"}, {"start": "03:24:34", "end": "03:24:41", "text": "are painted. um but is still very very"}, {"start": "03:24:38", "end": "03:24:44", "text": "odd and I think miraculous but also if"}, {"start": "03:24:41", "end": "03:24:48", "text": "you read it's called the Nikon uh maha"}, {"start": "03:24:44", "end": "03:24:51", "text": "poa and this is the original text"}, {"start": "03:24:48", "end": "03:24:54", "text": "written in the watal uh of the man who's"}, {"start": "03:24:51", "end": "03:24:59", "text": "Juan Diego who has this the the Virgin"}, {"start": "03:24:54", "end": "03:25:01", "text": "Mary sighting over this hill and um"}, {"start": "03:24:59", "end": "03:25:04", "text": "now because I've I've read so many of"}, {"start": "03:25:01", "end": "03:25:06", "text": "these apparition accounts and a lot of"}, {"start": "03:25:04", "end": "03:25:08", "text": "these people don't know each other like"}, {"start": "03:25:06", "end": "03:25:09", "text": "who's Juan Diego is going to know about"}, {"start": "03:25:08", "end": "03:25:12", "text": "any of this other stuff? No, he's not."}, {"start": "03:25:09", "end": "03:25:14", "text": "It hasn't happened yet. He describes"}, {"start": "03:25:12", "end": "03:25:17", "text": "almost perfectly what these other"}, {"start": "03:25:14", "end": "03:25:19", "text": "children describe. And the way she"}, {"start": "03:25:17", "end": "03:25:22", "text": "talks, the way, you know, the the sound"}, {"start": "03:25:19", "end": "03:25:24", "text": "of her voice is musical and that he's"}, {"start": "03:25:22", "end": "03:25:25", "text": "entranced and, you know, enchanted and"}, {"start": "03:25:24", "end": "03:25:27", "text": "all of this kind of very very"}, {"start": "03:25:25", "end": "03:25:29", "text": "interesting. I think absolutely it"}, {"start": "03:25:27", "end": "03:25:31", "text": "happened, but I'm a believer. I'm not"}, {"start": "03:25:29", "end": "03:25:32", "text": "advocating. Okay."}, {"start": "03:25:31", "end": "03:25:34", "text": ">> Even scientifically, it's hard to"}, {"start": "03:25:32", "end": "03:25:35", "text": "explain. in Guadalupe to is very hard to"}, {"start": "03:25:34", "end": "03:25:37", "text": "explain."}, {"start": "03:25:35", "end": "03:25:40", "text": ">> Very hard to explain. Yeah. Mysterious."}, {"start": "03:25:37", "end": "03:25:41", "text": ">> Yes. Oh, you meant mentioned enchanted."}, {"start": "03:25:40", "end": "03:25:44", "text": "So, this is my last question for you,"}, {"start": "03:25:41", "end": "03:25:46", "text": "then we talk about anything you think we"}, {"start": "03:25:44", "end": "03:25:48", "text": "missed. Um,"}, {"start": "03:25:46", "end": "03:25:49", "text": "I think you wrote two sentences in two"}, {"start": "03:25:48", "end": "03:25:52", "text": "different books. I want to put them next"}, {"start": "03:25:49", "end": "03:25:54", "text": "to each other. You wrote that the uh the"}, {"start": "03:25:52", "end": "03:25:56", "text": "UFO re-enchanted the modern war modern"}, {"start": "03:25:54", "end": "03:25:58", "text": "world. It relegitimized"}, {"start": "03:25:56", "end": "03:26:00", "text": "transcendence for secular people. That's"}, {"start": "03:25:58", "end": "03:26:04", "text": "true. And you wrote that whatever is"}, {"start": "03:26:00", "end": "03:26:08", "text": "behind it may not mean us well."}, {"start": "03:26:04", "end": "03:26:10", "text": ">> So is is re-enchantment a gift or is it"}, {"start": "03:26:08", "end": "03:26:13", "text": "bait?"}, {"start": "03:26:10", "end": "03:26:14", "text": ">> Okay, re-enchantment is an opportunity."}, {"start": "03:26:13", "end": "03:26:16", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "03:26:14", "end": "03:26:19", "text": ">> so what I mean by that is that there was"}, {"start": "03:26:16", "end": "03:26:21", "text": "the secularization hypothesis that Max"}, {"start": "03:26:19", "end": "03:26:24", "text": "Fabber and a lot of really smart people"}, {"start": "03:26:21", "end": "03:26:26", "text": "from 1800s on thought that religion was"}, {"start": "03:26:24", "end": "03:26:28", "text": "going to go away because people re were"}, {"start": "03:26:26", "end": "03:26:30", "text": "educated and becoming more rational."}, {"start": "03:26:28", "end": "03:26:32", "text": "completely wrong. It didn't work out,"}, {"start": "03:26:30", "end": "03:26:34", "text": "right? So, people are way more religious"}, {"start": "03:26:32", "end": "03:26:36", "text": "now even, you know, people are super"}, {"start": "03:26:34", "end": "03:26:38", "text": "religious and and rationality has"}, {"start": "03:26:36", "end": "03:26:40", "text": "nothing to do with it. Okay, maybe a"}, {"start": "03:26:38", "end": "03:26:42", "text": "little bit, but uh you can be rational"}, {"start": "03:26:40", "end": "03:26:44", "text": "and religious. Lots of people are."}, {"start": "03:26:42", "end": "03:26:46", "text": ">> All right. So, this is the idea. This is"}, {"start": "03:26:44", "end": "03:26:48", "text": "what Max Favor then called the"}, {"start": "03:26:46", "end": "03:26:49", "text": "disenchantment of the world that we were"}, {"start": "03:26:48", "end": "03:26:50", "text": "going to live in a world that was"}, {"start": "03:26:49", "end": "03:26:52", "text": "committed. It's this had you know in a"}, {"start": "03:26:50", "end": "03:26:54", "text": "sense it's really happened. A lot of"}, {"start": "03:26:52", "end": "03:26:56", "text": "people became what are called what is"}, {"start": "03:26:54", "end": "03:26:57", "text": "called secular non-believers. They don't"}, {"start": "03:26:56", "end": "03:26:59", "text": "believe in anything. They can't see."}, {"start": "03:26:57", "end": "03:27:01", "text": "they can't touch, they can't, you know,"}, {"start": "03:26:59", "end": "03:27:04", "text": "with their tools identify. Um,"}, {"start": "03:27:01", "end": "03:27:05", "text": "therefore, it's disenchanted. No, but"}, {"start": "03:27:04", "end": "03:27:07", "text": "the UFO comes back. We have the"}, {"start": "03:27:05", "end": "03:27:09", "text": "government now saying that it's real."}, {"start": "03:27:07", "end": "03:27:11", "text": "What does that mean? It means that we"}, {"start": "03:27:09", "end": "03:27:13", "text": "now live in a more enchanted world. Like"}, {"start": "03:27:11", "end": "03:27:15", "text": "the world view is going to change. We"}, {"start": "03:27:13", "end": "03:27:17", "text": "live in an enchanted world. And then"}, {"start": "03:27:15", "end": "03:27:20", "text": "what does that mean? That gives us an"}, {"start": "03:27:17", "end": "03:27:22", "text": "opportunity to figure out how we're"}, {"start": "03:27:20", "end": "03:27:24", "text": "going to deal with this. Like, you know,"}, {"start": "03:27:22", "end": "03:27:27", "text": "if there is non-human intelligence, how"}, {"start": "03:27:24", "end": "03:27:29", "text": "would we then deal with it? And I think"}, {"start": "03:27:27", "end": "03:27:32", "text": "that's where traditional religions give"}, {"start": "03:27:29", "end": "03:27:33", "text": "us a head start on you know"}, {"start": "03:27:32", "end": "03:27:36", "text": "understanding like that last quote that"}, {"start": "03:27:33", "end": "03:27:38", "text": "you you had you know you picked out from"}, {"start": "03:27:36", "end": "03:27:41", "text": "I think it's encounters it may not mean"}, {"start": "03:27:38", "end": "03:27:43", "text": "us well. Yeah. I mean like you know um I"}, {"start": "03:27:41", "end": "03:27:45", "text": "haven't heard that quote from Chris"}, {"start": "03:27:43", "end": "03:27:46", "text": "Bledo that you told me just in you know"}, {"start": "03:27:45", "end": "03:27:47", "text": "this podcast."}, {"start": "03:27:46", "end": "03:27:49", "text": ">> No he said it in here."}, {"start": "03:27:47", "end": "03:27:51", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So you know he says don't do"}, {"start": "03:27:49", "end": "03:27:52", "text": "it if you you know don't summon these"}, {"start": "03:27:51", "end": "03:27:53", "text": ">> don't mess with it if you don't know"}, {"start": "03:27:52", "end": "03:27:55", "text": "what you're doing."}, {"start": "03:27:53", "end": "03:27:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:27:55", "end": "03:27:58", "text": "And that's what religious traditions"}, {"start": "03:27:57", "end": "03:28:00", "text": "say, too."}, {"start": "03:27:58", "end": "03:28:03", "text": ">> I agree with them. Anything else you"}, {"start": "03:28:00", "end": "03:28:04", "text": "wanted to cover before I let you go?"}, {"start": "03:28:03", "end": "03:28:06", "text": ">> Let's see."}, {"start": "03:28:04", "end": "03:28:07", "text": ">> Oh, you've got your notepad."}, {"start": "03:28:06", "end": "03:28:10", "text": ">> Yeah, I But you know what? We we pretty"}, {"start": "03:28:07", "end": "03:28:14", "text": "much covered every single thing."}, {"start": "03:28:10", "end": "03:28:14", "text": ">> Okay. Plugs, plugs, books, websites."}, {"start": "03:28:14", "end": "03:28:17", "text": "Where can we find you?"}, {"start": "03:28:14", "end": "03:28:19", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. So, um, my book, The Others,"}, {"start": "03:28:17", "end": "03:28:22", "text": "came out. It came out last week, which"}, {"start": "03:28:19", "end": "03:28:24", "text": "was July 28th. And since then it's made"}, {"start": "03:28:22", "end": "03:28:27", "text": "the New York Times bestseller list which"}, {"start": "03:28:24", "end": "03:28:29", "text": "I was so shocked and happy about. So um"}, {"start": "03:28:27", "end": "03:28:29", "text": ">> is that your first one on New York"}, {"start": "03:28:29", "end": "03:28:30", "text": "Times?"}, {"start": "03:28:29", "end": "03:28:33", "text": ">> New York Times. Yeah, definitely."}, {"start": "03:28:30", "end": "03:28:35", "text": "Absolutely. So if people are interested"}, {"start": "03:28:33", "end": "03:28:36", "text": "in what we've talked about, it's uh it's"}, {"start": "03:28:35", "end": "03:28:39", "text": "a lot of it's in that book."}, {"start": "03:28:36", "end": "03:28:42", "text": ">> Yes. Um Substack."}, {"start": "03:28:39", "end": "03:28:47", "text": ">> Oh yeah. So um I have a Substack. Uh"}, {"start": "03:28:42", "end": "03:28:49", "text": "it's a DW Pulka at Substack. Um and uh I"}, {"start": "03:28:47", "end": "03:28:51", "text": "also have, you know, I'm on Instagram. I"}, {"start": "03:28:49", "end": "03:28:53", "text": "don't spend a lot of time on there. I"}, {"start": "03:28:51", "end": "03:28:54", "text": "mean, we just talked about why. So, I"}, {"start": "03:28:53", "end": "03:28:57", "text": "don't spend a lot of time on social"}, {"start": "03:28:54", "end": "03:29:01", "text": "media, but I do have a DW Pulka X"}, {"start": "03:28:57", "end": "03:29:03", "text": "profile, Instagram profile, LinkedIn"}, {"start": "03:29:01", "end": "03:29:06", "text": "profile. Um,"}, {"start": "03:29:03", "end": "03:29:07", "text": "Substack I definitely like because it's"}, {"start": "03:29:06", "end": "03:29:10", "text": "writing and I'm okay with that, you"}, {"start": "03:29:07", "end": "03:29:12", "text": "know. And um, and then what else? Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:29:10", "end": "03:29:16", "text": "I have a YouTube channel. Again, I don't"}, {"start": "03:29:12", "end": "03:29:17", "text": "utilize a lot. So, that's where I'm at."}, {"start": "03:29:16", "end": "03:29:19", "text": ">> Great. Dan Pasok, thank you so much for"}, {"start": "03:29:17", "end": "03:29:20", "text": "being here. This is a lot of fun. Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:29:19", "end": "03:29:21", "text": "thanks a lot. I had a great time."}, {"start": "03:29:20", "end": "03:29:21", "text": ">> We'll see you soon."}, {"start": "03:29:21", "end": "03:29:24", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "03:29:21", "end": "03:29:26", "text": ">> bye bye everybody."}, {"start": "03:29:24", "end": "03:29:29", "text": ">> That was Diana Walsh Basila. We covered"}, {"start": "03:29:26", "end": "03:29:31", "text": "purgatory, Russian immortality cults, a"}, {"start": "03:29:29", "end": "03:29:33", "text": "blindfolded trip to a UFO crash site,"}, {"start": "03:29:31", "end": "03:29:36", "text": "and whether social media is the"}, {"start": "03:29:33", "end": "03:29:38", "text": "antichrist. The saints I check first."}, {"start": "03:29:36", "end": "03:29:41", "text": "The records are real. Whole towns signs"}, {"start": "03:29:38", "end": "03:29:43", "text": "sworn testimony that Joseph of Copertino"}, {"start": "03:29:41", "end": "03:29:46", "text": "levitated during the Inquisition when"}, {"start": "03:29:43", "end": "03:29:48", "text": "that could get you burned. In 2023, Yale"}, {"start": "03:29:46", "end": "03:29:50", "text": "historian Carlos published a whole book"}, {"start": "03:29:48", "end": "03:29:53", "text": "on these files. It's called They Flew,"}, {"start": "03:29:50", "end": "03:29:55", "text": "which is great. Now, her father, he"}, {"start": "03:29:53", "end": "03:29:56", "text": "works sonar on a Coast Guard cutter"}, {"start": "03:29:55", "end": "03:29:59", "text": "called the Bittersweet when something"}, {"start": "03:29:56", "end": "03:30:02", "text": "enormous stopped the ship dead for 4"}, {"start": "03:29:59", "end": "03:30:04", "text": "hours. That ship is real, and it was out"}, {"start": "03:30:02", "end": "03:30:07", "text": "in Alaskan waters at a Kodiak when he"}, {"start": "03:30:04", "end": "03:30:09", "text": "served. The 4 hours? Well, we have to"}, {"start": "03:30:07", "end": "03:30:11", "text": "take her dad's word for it, but a"}, {"start": "03:30:09", "end": "03:30:14", "text": "retired admiral is searching for the"}, {"start": "03:30:11", "end": "03:30:16", "text": "log, so ask me in a year. and the men in"}, {"start": "03:30:14", "end": "03:30:19", "text": "black. In a condemned apparition case"}, {"start": "03:30:16", "end": "03:30:21", "text": "from the 1950s in Wisconsin, Diana's"}, {"start": "03:30:19", "end": "03:30:24", "text": "team found the visionary describing men"}, {"start": "03:30:21", "end": "03:30:26", "text": "in dark clothes and dark cars with no"}, {"start": "03:30:24", "end": "03:30:28", "text": "headlights, telling her to stop. UFO"}, {"start": "03:30:26", "end": "03:30:31", "text": "witnesses started describing the same"}, {"start": "03:30:28", "end": "03:30:33", "text": "men that same decade. The stories never"}, {"start": "03:30:31", "end": "03:30:35", "text": "met, but there they are. Four nights"}, {"start": "03:30:33", "end": "03:30:38", "text": "before we sat down, I had a nightmare"}, {"start": "03:30:35", "end": "03:30:40", "text": "about orbs, so I'm not a neutral judge."}, {"start": "03:30:38", "end": "03:30:43", "text": "I can't tell you what this phenomenon"}, {"start": "03:30:40", "end": "03:30:44", "text": "is, and neither can Diana. That's why I"}, {"start": "03:30:43", "end": "03:30:46", "text": "trust her. The book is called The"}, {"start": "03:30:44", "end": "03:30:49", "text": "Others. It's already a New York Times"}, {"start": "03:30:46", "end": "03:30:51", "text": "bestseller. She's at dwpasoka.com."}, {"start": "03:30:49", "end": "03:30:53", "text": "That's pa u lka. And everything I"}, {"start": "03:30:51", "end": "03:30:55", "text": "mentioned is linked below. Oh, the guy"}, {"start": "03:30:53", "end": "03:30:58", "text": "whose name she won't mention, Tim"}, {"start": "03:30:55", "end": "03:31:00", "text": "Taylor, the dragon. More him soon. Until"}, {"start": "03:30:58", "end": "03:31:05", "text": "next time, be safe, be kind, and know"}, {"start": "03:31:00", "end": "03:31:05", "text": "that you are appreciated."}, {"start": "03:31:18", "end": "03:31:27", "text": "I play scenario 51. A secret code inside"}, {"start": "03:31:23", "end": "03:31:31", "text": "the Bible said I would."}, {"start": "03:31:27", "end": "03:31:34", "text": "I love my UFOs and paranormal fun as"}, {"start": "03:31:31", "end": "03:31:37", "text": "well as music songs hanging like I"}, {"start": "03:31:34", "end": "03:31:39", "text": "should."}, {"start": "03:31:37", "end": "03:31:43", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"start": "03:31:39", "end": "03:31:45", "text": "becomes the truth, my friends."}, {"start": "03:31:43", "end": "03:31:49", "text": "And it never ends."}, {"start": "03:31:45", "end": "03:31:49", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"start": "03:31:56", "end": "03:32:02", "text": "I feel the crab cat. I got stuck inside"}, {"start": "03:31:58", "end": "03:32:05", "text": "M's home with MK truck. I feel only"}, {"start": "03:32:02", "end": "03:32:08", "text": "aware."}, {"start": "03:32:05", "end": "03:32:11", "text": "Did Stanley Cubric fake the moon landing"}, {"start": "03:32:08", "end": "03:32:15", "text": "alone on a film set over the shadow"}, {"start": "03:32:11", "end": "03:32:17", "text": "people there?"}, {"start": "03:32:15", "end": "03:32:21", "text": "The Roswell aliens just thought the"}, {"start": "03:32:17", "end": "03:32:26", "text": "smiling man. I'm told and his name was"}, {"start": "03:32:21", "end": "03:32:28", "text": "cold and I can't agree. 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Don't you worry though."}, {"start": "03:33:24", "end": "03:33:34", "text": "The black nights had a light to me. So I"}, {"start": "03:33:29", "end": "03:33:38", "text": "can't believe I'm dancing with the fish"}, {"start": "03:33:34", "end": "03:33:42", "text": "on Thursday nights with J and me all"}, {"start": "03:33:38", "end": "03:33:42", "text": "through the night."}, {"start": "03:33:43", "end": "03:33:51", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth"}, {"start": "03:33:47", "end": "03:33:51", "text": "me all through the night."}, {"start": "03:33:52", "end": "03:34:01", "text": "fishing. That's when they change you and"}, {"start": "03:33:56", "end": "03:34:01", "text": "me all through the night."}, {"start": "03:34:01", "end": "03:34:06", "text": "All I ever wanted was to hear the truth."}, {"start": "03:34:04", "end": "03:34:11", "text": "So"}, {"start": "03:34:06", "end": "03:34:11", "text": "all through the life"}, {"start": "03:34:22", "end": "03:34:28", "text": "loves to dance."}, {"start": "03:34:25", "end": "03:34:32", "text": "Girie loves to dance on the dance floor"}, {"start": "03:34:28", "end": "03:34:36", "text": "because she is a camel. Camels love to"}, {"start": "03:34:32", "end": "03:34:38", "text": "dance when the feeling is right. Wasting"}, {"start": "03:34:36", "end": "03:34:41", "text": "time"}, {"start": "03:34:38", "end": "03:34:44", "text": "to dance."}, {"start": "03:34:41", "end": "03:34:44", "text": "Love to dance."}]

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The Vasque explain it"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "differently."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "They didn't always live in Europe. Their"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "real homeland was destroyed thousands of"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "years ago. And in their language, they"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "still have a name for it, Atlantica."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "The Bas are the children of Atlantis."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "The lizard people are going to make me"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "pay for that."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Hey, human. H human. I think I'm dying."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> You say that every Monday."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> This is different. This This is a new"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "kind of dying. How much vodka did you"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "have last night?"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Zero. Well, zero adjacent. That's the"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "part that's freaking me out. So, I"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "started checking the symptoms against my"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "usual hangover. Human. None of it's"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "lining up."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> Here we go."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Uh, normally it's just a headache and"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "deep personal regret. I can live with"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "that. This time there's no headache,"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "just full body betrayal. Uh, my stomach"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "is doing things I didn't authorize."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> Uh, that's not a hangover. That's that's"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "something else."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": ">> Why do you think I'm calling? This isn't"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "my usual Monday brand suffering."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> Well, did you eat anything weird last"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "night?"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> Yeah. What do you consider weird? Cuz"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "there may have been a tub of clam"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "chowder involved around Triad."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:35", "text": ">> A tub?"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": ">> The whole tub from Bargain Barrel Foods."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> Was that the smell wafting through the"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "house? My wife made me get up and open"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "the windows."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> That tracks that tracks completely."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> How old was that chowder?"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": ">> There were there there was no day. There"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "was just a drawing of the sun. 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Solon"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "visited a temple in Egypt and the priest"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "there told him something that surprised"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "him. They said Egyptian records went"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "back thousands of years further than the"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "Greeks. Those records described a great"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "civilization in the Atlantic Ocean out"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "past the [music] pillars of Hercules."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "Today we call that the Straight of"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "Gibralar. 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The"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "island was rich in orical a rare red"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "metal almost as valuable as gold. It"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "covered the walls of temples [music] and"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "the homes of the rich. Oricalum means"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "status. In Greek, oralos means mountain"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "copper."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": ">> Mountain copper, the most valuable metal"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "on earth. And they named it like a"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "Yankee candle."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": ">> Like the Atlanteanss, the Basqus were"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "famous for copper work and were master"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "ship builders. By the 1500s, the Bas"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "traded copper all over the world,"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "[music] even with the tribes of North"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "America. 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It wasn't new to"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "the Basks."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "Thousands of years later, we still tell"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "the story of Atlantis, [music] and"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "everyone knows how it ends. Earthquakes"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "and volcanoes destroyed most of the"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "island,"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "and anything that was left sank beneath"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "the ocean after a great flood."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "But the people of Atlantis were doomed"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "long before that. Doom didn't come from"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "the sky or [music] the earth or the"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "water. It came from their blood."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "An island sits in the Atlantic, green"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "[music] and volcanic, richer than any"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "land in the known world. At its center"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "is a city built in rings. 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[music] Then they drink."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "While the fires burn down, the kings"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "discuss how to govern the city."}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "Tonight's gathering is somber. There's a"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "problem in Atlantis, and the citizens"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "want answers. None of the kings have"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "one. The people want to know why their"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "babies keep dying."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "The basks have the highest concentration"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "of Rh negative blood on Earth. Rh factor"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "is a protein in red blood cells. The"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "name comes from Reese's monkeys where"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "researchers first found the protein."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "It's passed down through primates and"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "has been for millions of years. Most"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "people have it. You probably do. And if"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "you do, you're Rh positive. That's 93%"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "of people on Earth have it. The rest are"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "Rh negative. And their blood doesn't"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "carry the marker at all."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": ">> Hold on, hold on, hold on. I say it like"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "I got a C minus in monkey blood science."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": ">> Most people's blood has a marker, a"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "protein on the surface of the cell. A"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "few people don't have this."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> Okay, so does regular blood and high"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "test. They got it. Vampires and zombies,"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "take note. A basis is delish."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": ">> And the trait is recessive, which means"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "it hides. When populations mix, it"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "fades. Every generation dilutes it a"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "little more. But one in three bases is"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "Rh- negative. That's double the rest of"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "Europe and five times the rest of the"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "world. And because the trade hides, even"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "that number undersells it. Most bases"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "carry the gene whether their blood shows"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "it or not. For blood like that to stay"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "concentrated, a population has to breed"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "inside itself for a very, very long"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "time. But Rh negative comes with a cost."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "When an Rh- negative mother carries an"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "Rh- positive child, her immune system"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "might reject the baby as a different"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "species."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": ">> A different species. The blood itself is"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "saying alien. Oh, what do I have to do?"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "Draw you a shot? Even the word B sounds"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "like a lizard people word."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> It's an immune response, not a"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "confession."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": ">> That's exactly what a lizard people"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "immune system would want you to think."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "But when your baby's born blinking"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "sideways, don't say it and warn you. Go"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "ahead. Feed it a cricket. feed it"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "cricket."}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> The first pregnancy is usually fine, but"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "the ones after that are dangerous. The"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "child weakens in the womb. Untreated,"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "the child can die. But here's what"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "science can't explain. A trait that"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "kills children should disappear."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "Instead, the basks have the highest"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "frequency in the world. Nobody can prove"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "where it came from. It can't be traced"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "to any place on Earth. Because according"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "to the legend, it didn't come from"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "Earth. It came from the gods."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "The Basque weather god Mari lived in a"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "cave in a mountain with her husband"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "Zugar. Basque gods lived on the ground"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "among the people. Plato tells the story."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "And Poseidon receiving for his lot the"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "island of Atlantis begat children by a"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "mortal woman and settled them in a part"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "of the island."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": ">> Gods having children with humans. The"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "Samrians told the same story and they"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "called the visitors,"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> right? Beings who came down, shaped"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "humanity and shared their blood with it."}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "In the book of Enoch, divine beings mate"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "with humans and create the Nephilim."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "Every culture uses a different name, but"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "the story is the same."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> Lizard people, different tuxedos, same"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "lizard."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": ">> But when divine blood is mixed with the"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "humans, the offspring are often evil and"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "violent, like the Nephilim. Plato wrote"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "about that, too."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "But when the divine portion began to"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "fade away and became diluted too often"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "and too much with the mortal ad mixture,"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "the human nature got the upper hand. The"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "blood thinned and Atlantis fell. The"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "families of the old blood escaped into"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "the mountains and never let their blood"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "thin again."}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "For thousands of years, Atlantis was a"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "paradise. But the island doesn't feel"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "like paradise anymore. The founding"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "families carried the blood of the gods,"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "and for a long time, that blood held."}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "But some have been marrying outside the"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "bloodline. Every generation, the old"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "blood gets thinner, and something in the"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "people changes. The kings don't work"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "together anymore. Now they just argue."}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "Sometimes those arguments turn violent."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "Sometimes entire families go to war."}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "[music] Tonight, in a stone house near"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "the Citadel, a young woman of the old"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "line is having a difficult pregnancy."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "Her husband has a good name, [music] but"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "his family isn't of the old line. The"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "midwives have seen this for years."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "Always in mixed marriages. The mother"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "will survive childirth. The child never"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "does. The midwife almost says Surinu out"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "of habit. She stops herself. You don't"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "wish luck on a child who's already gone."}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "The kings gather and announce what the"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "midwives already knew."}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "Old blood doesn't mix. When it mixes,"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "[music] the children die. Nobody can"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "explain why it works this way, only that"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "it does. The old families make a"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "decision. They call it the rule. The"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "rule says the old line can only marry"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "within the old line. Any children born"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "against the rule get [music] thrown into"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "the sea. It's the only way to keep the"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "blood pure and to keep the peace. That"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "decision outlives the island because"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "deep under Atlantis, the ground is"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "restless, the air is getting warmer, and"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "the water is coming."}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "During the last ice age, the Bay of"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "Bisque wasn't a bay. [music] Sea levels"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "were 400 ft lower and the space between"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "Spain and France was dry land. River"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "valleys ran for miles past today's"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "coastline. [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "People could walk across the land that's"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "now open water. Then the ice melted"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "[music] and the seas rose for thousands"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "of years. The rise came in surges"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "[music] and during the biggest one, the"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "ocean climbed 50 ft within a few"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "lifetimes. [music] People watched the"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "land their parents grew up on go"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "underwater. The water drowned the"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "forests, then the valleys. High ground"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "turned into islands. Then the islands"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "went under, too."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "But the drowned world didn't vanish."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "Trollers have pulled up worked stone"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "from the seafloor, tools and weapons"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "from villages that went under with the"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "land. And up in the Pyrenees, there are"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "cave paintings of animals that went"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "extinct [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "during the last ice age. People live"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "through all of it, and people remember."}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "Basque fishing tradition remembers that"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "world."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:57", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> Basque fishermen have names for huge"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "parts of land at the bottom of the bay."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "Yuscara names, names like drowned valley"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "and lost land passed [music] from father"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "to son. The families say the names are"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "older than anyone could say, handed down"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "from ancestors who knew that land when"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "it was still land. Mainstream science"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "says that's impossible. The names would"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "have to be thousands of years old, kept"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "alive without writing, without maps, and"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "without the ability to go hundreds of"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "feet underwater. Science assumed the Bas"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "showed up about 6,000 years ago. By"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "then, the bay was already a bay. There"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "was nothing to name."}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "So, the Basks claimed to be an ancient"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "civilization. Mainstream [music] science"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "says they were superstitious sailors."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "But then, the bottom of the bay was"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "mapped with sonar, and all the"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "underwater valleys, hills, and rivers"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "are right where the basks said they"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "were."}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": ">> Yeah. See, Grandpa's bedtime stories"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "just passed peer review."}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": ">> But skeptics had an answer for that,"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "too. The entire seafloor is covered with"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "hills and rivers. It's easy to guess."}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "But in 2021, an artifact was discovered"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "in the area, [music] a 2,000-year-old"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "bronze hand. And written on it was the"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "word Soreneo."}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "The rule is a generation old now, and"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "the [music] old families keep it the way"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "they keep the harvest calendar. They"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "marry each other."}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "They bury the children of those who"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "don't."}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "And they mark their houses. A smith"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "works copper by firelight. A hand flat,"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "thin, life-sized, with a hole punched at"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "the wrist. He scratches five words into"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "the bronze. Every family knows them by"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "heart. They go up on doors across the"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "old quarter. The hand tells everyone,"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "\"People of old blood live here.\" A"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "mother lists her daughter so the girl"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "can reach it. It's the same woman who"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "buried a child in the years before the"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "rule. This daughter was born of old"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "blood, and this daughter lived."}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "The girl presses her palm flat against"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "the bronze and says the word her mother"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "taught her, \"Sorry, good fortune."}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "The ground starts to move. The first"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "shock knocks the market stalls flat."}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "The second opens cracks in the walls."}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "And the sea and the great canal begins"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "to move the wrong way. It pulls back"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "toward the ocean, dragging ships with"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "it. The kings order an evacuation, and"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "whole households move at once down to"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "the water, onto the boats."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "collecting"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "heat."}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "The sea comes back at sunset. By"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "morning, there is no harbor. There is no"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "city, just water to every horizon."}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "A handful of boats drift east for days,"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "rationing water, watching for land that"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "doesn't come. A grandmother holds a"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "child against the wind and starts"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "talking because the child won't stop"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "shaking. It's her again. She's an old"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "woman now, and the girl in her arms is"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "her granddaughter. She tells her about"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "the Green Isle, the beautiful place"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "where their people lived before the"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "water came. She tells it slowly,"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "carefully. By the third night, the child"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "is telling it back to her."}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": ">> She teaches her the word too. The one"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "her own mother taught her on a door that"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "doesn't exist anymore. Soru beneath the"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "boats, the drowned country slides past."}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "The elders name what they're passing"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "over. The valley of two rivers, the high"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "meadow, the deep water, spoken out loud"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "so the children learn them."}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "Land rises ahead, a green coast, and"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "behind it, mountains. The boats come"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "ashore, and a man carries something"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "wrapped in a cloth up the beach, holding"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "it against his chest like a child. He"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "unwraps a small bronze hand, and before"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "he drives the nail, he says the word"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "into it, Surinu. Then it goes up on the"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "first door of the new world."}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "Atlantis is gone, but its people and its"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "story survived."}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "In the ruins of an Iron Age settlement"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "in northern Spain, an archaeologist"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "found a flat piece of bronze."}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "It was a hand life-sized thin as a coin"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "with a hole punched at the wrist and it"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "was found where it fell 2,000 years ago"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "at the doorway of a house. The village"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "was burned by the Roman army, but the"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "ash sealed the house and everything"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "inside. The team thought it was a helmet"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "decoration. Nobody noticed the writing"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "until months later. When the bronze was"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "cleaned, it revealed five words in an"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "ancient Iberian script. Experts knew the"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "first one, Surinu, good fortune. The"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "modern Basque word is zoreneeku. In"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "2,000 years, only two letters changed."}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "The last word is close to the bas"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "[music] word to give. So maybe it's an"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "offering or plea to the gods. Until the"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "hand of irrigi was found, linguists"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "thought the basque were illiterate."}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "Makes you wonder what else they [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "got wrong. This is the oldest Basque"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "sentence ever found. Three of its five"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "words are still debated, but the first"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "one any Basque speaker can read on site."}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "That shouldn't be possible because"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "languages change. Greek changed and"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "Latin bled into dozens of languages"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "around the world. An English speaker"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "would have trouble speaking to English"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "speakers 200 years ago. A thousand years"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "ago, they wouldn't understand a word."}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": ">> A thousand years, human. I can't"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "understand English from last Tuesday."}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "Uh, what's a RZ? And who's Skippy? Is he"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "dangerous?"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:58", "text": ">> I honestly don't know what those words"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "mean."}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": ">> Okay, Boomer."}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": ">> Almost every language in Europe, from"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "Irish to Russian, sits in one big family"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "tree. Not user. It has no relatives"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "anywhere. Linguists spent careers trying"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "to connect it to African languages,"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "Native American languages, even ancient"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "Samrian. Nothing sticks."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": ">> They tried every language on Earth. On"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "Earth. The search area might need an"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "update. Just saying."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": ">> Yuscara has some Latin words, but"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "they're borrowed and came along very"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "recently. It's a language that comes"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "from nowhere unless you count the middle"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "of the sea because they have a word for"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "Atlantis, Atlantica, [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "but not a word for their own country."}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "The Bass don't even have a word for"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "themselves. They call themselves"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "Yuscalun, which means one who has Yusa,"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "not someone from a place, someone who"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "speaks a language. And the language"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "refuses to die. [music] Rome tried, then"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "the Visigoths, then the Moors. Yuscara"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "survived. In 1937, Francisco Franco's"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "regime banned user. It survived anyway."}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "Not [music] through books or media. It"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "was illegal. Instead, it was spoken"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "quietly at dinner tables. [music]"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "Parents taught their children, just as"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "they were taught, just as their"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "grandparents were taught going back"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "thousands of years."}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": ">> A secret language your government can't"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "read. Somebody write that down. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "don't tell the IRS. DNA from a"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "5,000-year-old grave in northern Spain"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "only matched one group of people still"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "alive today, [music] the Basks. And even"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "their bones looked different. They have"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "broader shoulders and bigger frames."}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "Bass skulls measured in the 1800s were"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "closer to Cromagnon than other [music]"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "Europeans."}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": ">> Different blood, different language,"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "different skulls. At what point did"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "science just admit these are X-Men?"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": ">> 5,000 years the rule [music] held. And"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "though the Basks now live in a valley"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "between the mountains, they know their"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "blood is of the sea. Thousands of years"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "ago, Atlantis fell and millions died."}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "But by luck, or the will of the gods, a"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "few [music] escaped. And the Basks have"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "a word for someone who's blessed or"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "lucky. Zorum"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "High in the mountains where the snow"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "closes the passes half the year, there's"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "a door with a bronze hand nailed to it."}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "The woman who lives behind it came here"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "on a boat. She was the girl who wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "stop shaking. She's an old woman now"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "herself. And tonight, her own"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "granddaughter is asking questions."}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": ">> What was it like?"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": ">> The girl knows the story. The rings of"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "the city, the red metal flashing in the"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "sun, [music] the night the sea took it"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "all back. She can tell it in order,"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "beginning to end, because that's how she"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "was taught, and that's how she'll teach"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "it. Tonight, she's asking a different"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "question. She wants to know why she can"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "only marry inside [music] the old"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "families. The old woman gives her the"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "only answer anyone has left."}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:03", "text": ">> We keep the rule."}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:05", "text": ">> She doesn't [music] explain the why"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "because she doesn't have it. The why"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "stayed behind on the island. And when"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "everyone keeps a rule, nobody living has"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "seen what breaking it cost. What"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "survived is the keeping. Marry inside"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "the old families. Mark the door. Say the"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "word. The girl puts her palm on the"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "bronze hand the way her grandmother"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "taught her. The way somebody taught her"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "grandmother."}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:29", "text": ">> The island will soften into a bedtime"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "story. The green is a beautiful place"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "far away. Gone. Nobody will write it"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "down. And nobody ever writes the [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "rule down either. It lives where the"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "language lives, in the mouth and in the"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "blood. Thousands [music] of years later,"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "we drew that blood out of their arms and"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "put it under a microscope."}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "An isolated society in the mountains"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "between Spain and France carries blood"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "that matches nobody. They speak a"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "language related to nothing. They tell a"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "story about an ancient island that fell"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "beneath the sea. It's a great story, but"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "is it true? Well, the story starts with"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "Plato, and that's the biggest problem."}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "Most scholars think he invented Atlantis"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "as a warning about power and arrogance."}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "Everything tonight was dramatized from"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "Plato and the Basque legend. Even if"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "Atlantis were a real place, people still"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "can't agree on its location. There are a"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "few candidates like Biminy Road and the"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "Rishot structure in Africa, but the"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "geography isn't quite right, so they're"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "just theories for now. There's no"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "physical evidence either. Nobody's found"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "the Egyptian records shown to Solon."}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "There's no ruins, no artifacts, no proof"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "of an advanced civilization at the"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "bottom of the ocean. But there is plenty"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "of evidence of settlements underwater,"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "and we find new ones all the time. Ships"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "have brought up tools, pottery, gold,"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "even wine. But it's all stone age, Iron"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "Age, and Bronze Age stuff. Unless you"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "count the Inticther mechanism, which is"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "pretty incredible for its age. But"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "nothing about it says Atlantis."}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": ">> A 2,000-y old computer and nothing about"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "it says Atlantis. Yeah. Okay. Okay."}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "Nothing about it says Greece either."}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "And the Basque legend of Atlantica"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "probably isn't Basque. Nobody can find"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "it anywhere before the modern world fell"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "in love with Atlantis. It looks like"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "something the fans made of, and I'm one"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "of the fans. But I want to see real"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "evidence, not an internet meme. Same"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "with the fishing names. We couldn't find"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "those anywhere outside Atlantis"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "folklore. Yuscara is an orphan language"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "with no parents. That's true. But there"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "are others like Japanese and Korean."}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "[music] But Chinese has seeped into"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "almost every Asian language, just like"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "there are Latin words in Uscara. So a"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "few languages might not have parents,"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "but they've got neighbors. The bronze"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "hand of IUI has skeptics, too. The"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "worlds don't matcha as well as the"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "stories claim. But the blood is strange."}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "Science knows exactly what RH negative"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "blood is. That gene has shown up in"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "ancient bones all over Europe, but"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "nobody knows why the recessive gene"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "stuck around so long or why it's so"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "prevalent in the Bas. The Vasque"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "probably aren't the children of"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "Atlantis, but they still might be the"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "children of a flood. [music] When the"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "ice melted, the rising water took the"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "coast and whoever lived there got pushed"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "into the mountains."}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "However, the Basks got there, they"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "stayed. And maybe they had to. When an"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "Rhdative mother carries an Rh- positive"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "child, the first baby's usually fine,"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "but the ones after can die."}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": ">> A Basque woman who married inside the"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "valleys mostly carried children like"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "herself, safe. A Basque woman who"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "married an outsider buried babies."}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "And nobody really knew why until the"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "1940s. Even if the Bas didn't create the"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "rule, their blood may have enforced it."}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "That gives the Basks a unique identity."}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "It's a story they all share. And I think"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "that's why America feels so divided. We"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "no longer have a shared story. We all"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "live in our own story now. We keep what"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "we like. We throw out what we don't."}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "Even if we throw out the truth, we sort"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "ourselves into tribes that only tell one"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "version of the story. And every tribe"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "squares its version is the whole story."}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "And it never is. The Bas kept one story"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "alive for 5,000 years. We can't keep one"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "through an election. I don't know how a"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "country gets its story back. I don't"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "think anybody does. But I can always"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "pray. Sorry, Nick."}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:39", "text": ">> Thank you so much for hanging out today."}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "My name is AJ. Here's Hagglefish."}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": ">> The oldest basket artifact is a bronze"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "hand that says good fortune. As a guy"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "with no hands, I find that culturally"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "insensitive. Beautiful, but insensitive."}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:52", "text": ">> This has been the Y files. If you had"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "fun or learn anything, he'd appreciate"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "it if you could subscribe, comment,"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "like, share, hit the buttons. 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Until next"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "time, be safe, be kind, and know that"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "you are appreciated. [music]"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:24", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:34", "text": ">> I played Bibia in [music] area 51. A"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "secret code inside the Bible said"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "[singing] I would."}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "[music] I love my UFOs and paranal fun"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "as well as music [music] singing like I"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "should."}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "But then another conspiracy theory"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "becomes the truth, my friends."}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "And [music] it never ends."}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "No, it never ends. [music]"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "I feel the crap. I got stuck inside M's"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "home with MKL truck. 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[music] So fall through the"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "night."}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "The math man sidings and the solar storm"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "still [music] come to gather the secret"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "city underground."}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "Mysterious number stations, planet"}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "circle [music] to project star gate and"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "what [singing] the dark watchers found"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "within a [music] simulation. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Today I'm talking with Mitch Horowitz."}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "When Mitch was a kid in Queens, he got"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "an astrology scroll from a vending"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "machine. Every adult around him said it"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "was nonsense."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> No, every adult said it was nonsense."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "Uh, adults also said the moon landing"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "was real. So,"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": ">> he spent the 50 years since taking that"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "scroll seriously. He became a highly"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "respected editor at Penguin Random House"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "and won a pen award for writing the"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "history of the occult in America. Today"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "we're covering how occult Ideas got into"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "Ronald Reagan's speeches, Gandhi's"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "philosophy, and the dollar bill in your"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "wallet. I promise it's way weirder than"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "that. Plus, his new book, Esoterica, and"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "its formulas for tearing down your false"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "self."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> Oh, I tore down my false self once."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "Underneath was another me. Handsomemer,"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "bigger muscles, better credit. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "missed that guy."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> He also made a calm, friendly case that"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "I might be a left-hand path Satanist."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "That one caught me by surprise. Stick"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "around after the episode. I'll pop back"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "in and untangle the conversation. And"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "it's very tangled. Let's go down to the"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "basement."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "Morowitz, welcome to the basement."}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> Thank you, my man. Great to be here."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> I'm excited. I am excited. Um, before we"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "get started, why is the occult guy on a"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "Zoom with the Henen family? Oh,"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "I was doing a fundraiser for the"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Philosophical Research Society and they"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "are an organization dedicated to"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "studying the esoteric that was founded"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "by the great occult scholar Manley P."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Hall. And I was told that a couple of"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "members of the Henen family were"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "interested both in supporting the center"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "and in my work and would I do some"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "sessions with them to talk over a cult"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "history and esoterica. I was delighted"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "course I'm a gym fan going back to"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "diapers and remaining uh today and I was"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "delighted to talk to them and they are"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "carrying the family flame."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> Wow. I I thought I heard you talking"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "about never- ending stories, one of your"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "favorites."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> Oh, tremendously so. Um Henson has such"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "an incredible ability to capture the"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "mythical in a way that entrances young"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "kids and adults alike. And at age 60,"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "I'm still finding folds within his work."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "I just love the man."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": ">> Yeah. You could watch Dark Crystal. I"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "think it came out in 79 and you still"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "see things in it."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:27", "text": ">> You still see things."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> He was such a genius."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> He worked so hard. And not only was"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "there technical excellence in everything"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "he did, but"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:39", "text": ">> he finds the inner meaning of myth and"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "he tells the story as an outer story,"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "but you capture all the esoteric lessons"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "and elements within Jim's work. I need"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "to revisit it now that I'm familiar with"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "yours because I I know I'm going to find"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "new stuff in there. Um,"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "so the the occult, excuse me, this this"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "is how I work. I just"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": ">> The occult, does it start with the"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "Silver Moon Diner or does it start in"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Mrs. Shapiro Sunday school class?"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": ">> When you think about your medical"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "history, you assume somebody somewhere"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "has the whole picture. But that's not"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "usually how it works. I've got lab PDFs"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "buried in three different email"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "accounts, a doctor from 2019 who has no"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "idea what my doctor from 2022 found, and"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "a filing cabinet of paperwork that"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "nobody, including me, has ever actually"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "cross-referenced. [music] That's what"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "excites me about Superpower. It's their"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "job to connect the dots. One annual"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "blood draw, over 100 biomarkers across"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "21 categories, heart, liver, thyroid,"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "hormones, metabolic health,"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "inflammation, nutrients, the works."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "That's roughly 10 times what a standard"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "physical checks. But here's the part"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "that actually solves my paperwork"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "problem. It all lands in one dashboard"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "alongside your old records and your"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "wearable data from Aura, Whoop, or Apple"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "Health. 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Tell"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "them the basement's at you."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": ">> Probably it starts with Mrs. Shapiro's"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "Sunday school class in Belrose, Queens."}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": ">> I remember Mrs. Shapiro telling us, \"Uh,"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "Halloween, that's all a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "nonsense.\" And I started thinking, \"No,"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "that's not really true. This is a"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "holiday with roots that go as as deep as"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "our own Abrahamic traditions, maybe"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "deeper.\" And my job as a kid, age eight"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "or nine, was to listen to people say"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "Halloween is nonsense. Was to listen to"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "people say, \"Oh, newspaper astrology,"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "that's all bogus.\" Was to listen to"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "people say, \"Don't pay attention to the"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "robed guru on MV Griffin.\" And ask why."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "Why? And I wanted to peel back the"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "layers and discover the history of these"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "things. Look, newspaper astrology, just"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "to take an example, it's an expression"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "of possibly the oldest religious"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "retention on earth. It goes back to the"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "3rd millennia BC, ancient Mesopotamia."}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "Our western astrology is not exactly"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "like the astrology being dealt with by"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "our primeval ancestors. But there are"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "some very serious similarities"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "symbolically, mechanically, in terms of"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "meaning. And I wanted to get at all that"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "a cynic will tell you, for example, oh,"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "astrology has lasted so long just"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "because humanity is a bunch of suckers."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "That's ridiculous. Practices from the"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "ancient world have been discontinued by"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "the thousands. The reason we in the"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "Western world retain a version of"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "astrology is because it's pretty damned"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "accurate."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> You still read Sally Brmpton?"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": ">> I love Sally Brmpton. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "And with apologies to Mrs. Shapiro, who"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "taught me a lot and also had a habit of"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "banging me on the head with her ring"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "when I didn't get my Hebrew letters"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "correct, which was not infrequent. Um,"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "being challenged that way at a young age"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "when I had a taste for the esoteric was"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "in its way very refining. It put me on"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "my path."}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": ">> What was it about the story about the"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "goat and the zazil that"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> interested you?"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:48", "text": ">> You know, it's interesting. You you you"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "find within the Abrahamic faiths a huge"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "amount of material that we would label a"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "cult. stories of giants and spiritual"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "messengers and things that we today call"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "demons, a term that we're conditioned to"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "be frightened of. Aazelle being one of"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "them, to whom the Hebrews would make"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "sacrifices in the desert. And what"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "you'll find if you turn back the pages"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "of scripture is a catalog of occult and"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "esoteric topics. Not just"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "straightforward monotheism, although"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "that's part of it, but you find"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "monotheism coexisting with a world of"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "myth and wonder that would be at home in"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "any Jim Henson story. And for that"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "matter, not all ancient Jews themselves"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "were monotheistic. There were many Jews"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "living in that region of the world who"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "practiced polytheism. We know this"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "because they adopted names of gods other"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "than what we call Yahweh or Jehovah. And"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "eventually Judaism developed into a"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "faith of monotheism. But at its most"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "primeval roots, that wasn't the case. So"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "if you want to find the basis for the"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "occult, look at our most ancient"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "traditions, the ones that we stand on. I"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "love the um the theory that that Moses"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "could have been Aquonatan. Have you"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "heard that one?"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> Yes. Oh, of course. And [snorts] uh"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "Sigman Freud of all people, the great"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "rationalist, took that very seriously."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "He in his very last book, Moses and"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "Monotheism, uh propounded on that"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "theory."}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": ">> Fort Knox, everybody's heard of it."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "Supposedly, it holds over 400,000 tons"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "of US gold. But the thing is, the last"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "full independent audit of that vault"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "happened in 1953."}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "Since then, we've gotten photo ops,"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "supervised walkthroughs, and a whole lot"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "of trust us. Never [music] any outside"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "auditors, no full inventory count, or no"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "way for anybody outside government to"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "actually verify what's down there."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "That's not a conspiracy theory. Nobody's"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "checked. And when the backbone of the"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "world's reserve currency rests on a"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "promise nobody can verify, it's worth"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "asking [music] why your own retirement"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "should rest on paper, too. Physical"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "metal in your name doesn't need an"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "audit. You can just hold it. 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All that when you go to"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "golden crestmetals.com/yfiles [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "or text the word files to medals."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": ">> And um people would be surprised if they"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "turn back the pages of Freud. He's"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "supposed to be a great rationalist and"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "he was a great rationalist. But what we"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "as a culture forget is that rationalism"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "is not conclusion, it's process."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "Rationalism is methodological"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "replication. So in Freud, the great"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "rationalist, you will find a man who was"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "deeply interested in dream telepathy,"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "ESP, clairvoyance, and even delayed the"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "publication of some of his some of his"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "papers on these subjects to avoid public"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "opinion fallout. Get yourself a copy of"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "the collected works of Freud. You'll"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "find several deeply"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "heartfelt and intellectually rigorous"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "papers on occult topics."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": ">> That stuff was left out of my psychology"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "courses in school that his interest in"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "Sai. Why do you think why do you think"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "that was done? Why keep that from us?"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "Well, Freud's biographer, an Englishman"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "named Ernest Jones, was very concerned"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "that Freud's interest in parasychology"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "would prove compromising to his efforts"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "to shape psychoanalysis into a"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "recognized medical science. So, he had a"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "hand in the early compilation of Freud's"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "papers. He had a decisive hand in our"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "understanding of Freud as a biography,"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "but he didn't fully represent Freud the"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "man. And our notion of psychoanalytic"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "history is too simplistic. We see Jung"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "as the occult one and Freud as the"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "materialist one. It wasn't true at all."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "Jung was every bit an empiricist and"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "Freud was every bit interested in the"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "esoteric, extending to alternate"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "histories of Moses, extending to a a a"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "very rigorously worked through theory of"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "clairvoyance passing in between the"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "psychoanalyst"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "and the patient. And some of this"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "material, as I mentioned, was withheld"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "from publication until after Freud's"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "death. It does all now appear in the"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "collected works of Freud, but we tend to"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "think in categories rather than content."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "And we think of Freud in the materialist"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "category. So we tend not to see what's"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "in front of our own eyes. Yeah, that's"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "interesting that you bring that up is so"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "much power goes into the hands of the"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "biographer, the translator, whether it's"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "ancient epic poems or or just tremendous"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> psychoanalysis, they have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "power."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "In fact, I often caution people, you"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "show me a traditionalist and I'll show"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "you a modernist who's just not aware of"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "it. Because the wisdom literature that"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "reaches us today, it's almost always"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "translations of translations of"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "translations written in an original"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "language that most of us cannot"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "decipher. And in fact, in most cases, we"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "don't even have the originals, even"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "extending to the Renaissance, which in"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "terms of the arc of human history was 5"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "minutes ago. We're in a very"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "disadvantageous position in terms of"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "understanding what the ancients were"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "thinking about. We have been reached by"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "threads. We have been reached by"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "fragments. So, people need to be very"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "careful about where they draw the line"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "between what's traditional, what's the"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "real thing versus what are modern"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "novelties. More often than we know,"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "we're dealing with modern novelties."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": ">> I work long days. 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Please"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "support our show and tell them we"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "[music] sent you."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> And the translation of the translation,"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "that's really a tradition of the"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "esoteric anyway, isn't it? It's it's"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "it's a tradition of the whole human"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "story to know ourselves and so much of"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "the literature that reaches us whether"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "it's scriptural whether it's hermetic"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "which is the philosophy that was written"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "down in the final stages of ancient"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "Egypt. It's passed through so many hands"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "tablet right behind me there."}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": ">> Oh, brilliant, [laughter] brilliant."}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": ">> As above so below."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> As above so below. Uh these"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "works of hallowed wisdom literature have"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "passed through so many centuries and in"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "some cases millennia of translation that"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "we really don't have a full reckoning of"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "what's gotten inserted along the way"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "because translators build upon what is"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "given to them. They sometimes represent"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "different power centers, different"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "faiths, different schools and they will"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "insert sympathetic material. So, we have"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "to tread very carefully before declaring"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "what is the truth with a capital T."}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> Isn't that rule 101?"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> Is it?"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:36", "text": ">> Is it?"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": ">> It's in there."}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:38", "text": ">> Ask constantly, how do I know that's"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "true?"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:45", "text": ">> Yes. And my God, let that be your sword"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "and shield through life. How do I know"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "that's true? We live in a culture of I"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "heard it somewhere. and peel back just"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "one layer on that and you'll start to"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "ask really vital questions. I mean, my"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "god, I've had incidences happen in my"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "own apartment building and people can't"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "agree the next day on what transpired,"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "much less what transpired millennia ago."}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "We really just have to keep asking"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "ourselves, how do I know that's true?"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "What's the source of that quote? And"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "this is true in mainstream history as"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "well. I'll come upon a quote by Thomas"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "Edison, for example. I'll look for the"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "quote, \"It doesn't exist.\" Y"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": ">> I'll look for a quote by Arthur Conan"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "Doyle. It doesn't exist. Someone made it"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "up. Someone repeated it. Happens with"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "William James. These are all modernist"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "figures."}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": ">> These are these are people who who wrote"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "and and spoke in English. And and and"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "and my god, you know, they were living"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "and functioning 150 years ago."}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:46", "text": ">> You go through Bartletts and half of"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "that. They didn't say that. baloney,"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": ">> And one has to keep asking that"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "question. How do I know that's true? And"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "in the current spiritual culture, I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "always telling people, verify things,"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "not just in some rhetorical way. When"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "someone tells you, yes, verify things,"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "and when you agree with me, come back"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "and we'll get along just fine. Verify."}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "It falls to every generation of seekers"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "to verify things for themselves. Yes,"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "depend upon the best sources that we"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "have available, but don't stop there and"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "keep peeling back that onion."}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": ">> So, Silver Moon, paint the picture."}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "Where was the Silver Moon Diner in"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "Queens?"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:28", "text": ">> Oh, that was uh in Eastern Queens. Okay."}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "In the town of Belrose, where I grew up,"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "uh on Union Turnpike, just before it"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": ">> transforms magically into Marcus Avenue"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "when you hit"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:38", "text": ">> Long Island. I know it very well."}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": ">> Right. the invisible line of"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "demarcation. And"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:42", "text": ">> right, this is Nassau County. That's a"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "fact,"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": ">> right? And I grew up in that"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "neighborhood in eastern Queens. Subways"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "don't go there."}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": ">> Nope."}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:55", "text": ">> Way out uh in the I suppose as as far"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "out east as you can go and still be in"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "New York City. And that was the family"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "gathering spot. That was the"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "neighborhood gathering spot. And this"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "was the 1970s. And so the real magic was"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "at the at the lobby entrance where you"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "would find the machine where you could"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "insert a dime and get an astrology"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "scroll or have your bio- rhythm read."}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:17", "text": ">> Oh, that's right. You put your finger on"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "the thing. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": ">> They didn't have a Zar machine, but All"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "but All but you know, they had the"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "computer dating machine. I remember you"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "could take the form, fill out, you know,"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "what you're comfortable with, what you"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "like, and uh meet your meet your perfect"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "mate. probably no better or worse than"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "anything we do today. And uh for me it"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "was just magic. That's where I wanted to"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "hang out. When I got my little dime star"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "scroll at the Silver Moon Diner and I"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "saw these magical signs and sigils of"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "Aquarius and Mercury and the sun and I"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "wanted to know where did this come from?"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "And I learned that you as I mentioned"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "these are some of the oldest religious"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "retentions on earth. And just think of"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "it, our primeval ancestors in"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "Mesopotamia, their system was different."}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "The night sky looks different because"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "the earth wobbles on its axis. But I"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "tell you, some of those signs and"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "symbols mean the same thing to us today"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "in the 21st century as it did to our"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "ancient ancestry in Mesopotamia. That's"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "extraordinary. That's sacred language."}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "And it's remarkable to me that you can"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "go through the Western world, ask anyone"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "you meet, \"What's your sun sign?\" And"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "not only will they know, but they'll be"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "able to tell you something about it,"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "whether they profess belief or not. I"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "fall to my knees in front of that."}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "That's a tradition that extends back"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "thousands of years."}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": ">> Even if we are skeptical about"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "astrology, we just can't help ourselves."}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "It's it's it's wired into us."}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> I'll tell you something funny. Uh"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "there's an esoteric scholar, Richard"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "Smolley, who's been an enormous"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "influence on me. Several years ago, he"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "and I were doing a dialogue over Zoom,"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "and I said to him, Richard, why has"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "astrology remained popular after all"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "these millennia and centuries? And he"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "paused and said, well,"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "because it's pretty accurate."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:11", "text": ">> Brilliant."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:13", "text": ">> And I stand by that. And there's no way"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "to know it's accurate unless one studies"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "it. And of course the cynics who are"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "ready to say nonsense. I don't expect"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "them to have studied it. But here's what"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "the cynics don't know. The experts upon"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "whom they are relying. They haven't"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "studied it either. This is one of these"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "I heard it somewhere concepts that we"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "call rational because we misunderstand"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "rational as endpoint versus process."}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "It's an art. Is it always accurate?"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "Certainly not. Are there great"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "differences between the east and the"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "west? There are. And those mechanical"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "differences warrant understanding. But"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "as a thumbnail typology of personality,"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "it's remarkable. That's why it's lasted."}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "It's the last place that journalists"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "will look. It's the last place that"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "social scientists will look."}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "Every Halloween when I start to get the"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "phone calls about the article, why is"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "astrology still so popular? Why is tarot"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "still so popular? The answer that"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "they're always fishing for is economic"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "uncertainty,"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "uncertainty about the future of the"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "world, as if there's ever been a"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "generation that hasn't experienced that."}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "The last place they'll look, and the"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "place that I insist upon looking, among"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "others, is Verity."}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "you hit on something that it's in your"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "book I want to ask you about. Before we"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "do that, didn't your grandfather have an"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "opinion about what was on your scroll?"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "My grandfather who is the very practical"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "manager of a flower shop in Rockefeller"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "Center."}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:51", "text": ">> It's good honest work."}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": ">> Yeah, it's good honest work. It's good"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "honest work. And he worked hard and he"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "earned his retirement in Florida. That"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "was the dream and he earned it. I was"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "reading from my Star Scroll and he said,"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "\"Does it also say you're a sucker?\""}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": ">> Perfect."}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:10", "text": ">> And I understand. I understand. But kids"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "have to rebel. And I said, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "accepting that just because an adult"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "figure says it. In fact, because an"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "adult figure says it, I'm going to push"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "and probe. And I had funny experiences"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "as a kid taking out books of astrology"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "and Pennsylvania Dutch folklore from the"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "Belrose public library. Remarkable"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "experiences. I remember when I was a"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "kid, I took out one book in particular"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "of Pennsylvania Dutch folklore and the"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "center fold of the book was a pentagram"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "and it had these little phrases dotted"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "around it. It's Pennsylvania Dutch"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "tradition and you're supposed to close"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "your eyes, hover a pin over it and bring"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "the pin down on your fortune. Well, I"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "did this. I brought the pin down and it"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "said a letter. You will receive a"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "letter. I was age nine. I didn't get"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "many letters. The next day, a letter"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "arrived and it was an overdue book"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "notice from the public library."}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:04", "text": ">> That's [laughter] how it works."}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "Synchronicities."}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:10", "text": ">> It it it gave me pause at age nine. I"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "still have pause today. Um but you get"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "little green lights like that and it"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "deepens your curiosity."}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:18", "text": ">> I love it. So, you just said that every"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "generation has these same um anxieties."}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "In your book, I think you mentioned that"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "every generation feels like they're on"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "the precipice"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:25", "text": ">> always,"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:26", "text": ">> but we're different because we have a"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "sense"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:33", "text": ">> that we're in the matrix."}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:33", "text": ">> Yeah. It seems to me I I I I"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "encourage people to be very careful with"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "apocalyptic talk because every"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "generation feels that it's living on the"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "brink. And if you look at our generation"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "with all our crises and so forth, my"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "god, compared to what people went"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "through, say in World War I, we're not"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "living in that world at this present"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "juncture. And we have to be very"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "thoughtful and we have to be very"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "careful about these things because every"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "generation feels like it is just poised"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "on a cliff's edge. You'll find that"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "throughout religious history,"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "Abrahamic religions, Judaism,"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "Christianity, Islam, they're messianic"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "traditions. And we have almost"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "programmed into us this messianic notion"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "that everything's going to come to an"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "end and then there'll be an aftermath."}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "We even have a secular religion around"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "that called Marxism. Sure. Which is an"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "Abrahamic religion without God. It's a"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "materialist faith that the change agent"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "will be the working class and then"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "afterwards will come something that"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "someone might call nirvana or or heaven"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "or the afterlife and that we call"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "revolution and whatever comes after it."}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "We don't know. But we're sure that there"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "is this turning point. Anyway, we who"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "live in the west and come from the"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "Abrahamic traditions, we have this kind"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "of messianic or apocalyptic worldview"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "baked into us. Someday it will"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "presumably occur. But I ask people to"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "take it easy with that point of view"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "because every generation occupies it."}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "Our generation has something different"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "going on which I'm very interested in"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "and that is this notion that we're"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "living in an airsat reality. And"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": ">> I think there's something to that"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "because of how universally felt it is."}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "It surpasses culture. Now, dig this."}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "Several years ago, the Barbie movie came"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "out. My reckoning is that roughly the"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "first 20 minutes of that movie is the"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "finest ever popularization of Gnostic"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "themes. The idea that we're living under"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "a false son or a false god."}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:34", "text": ">> Yes. I hadn't considered that, but yes."}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:35", "text": ">> Barbie starts thinking about her own"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "death. Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:39", "text": ">> And then she realizes, I'm not really"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "here at all. I'm not living in a real"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "world. This is Artifice. And so she"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "begins her journey."}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:45", "text": ">> Beyond the Veil."}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:46", "text": ">> Beyond the Veil."}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": ">> Now, we've had wonderful movies like"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "that before. Matrix, Truman Show. But"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "this was different. That movie was a hit"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "worldwide. It was a hit in Saudi Arabia."}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "It was a hit in China. Two radically"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "different societies. Saudi is a"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "religiously conservative society. China"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "is an officially atheistic society. And"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "everybody got it. Everybody got it."}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "There are people around the world today"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "who don't get Star Wars. We think those"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "themes are universal. They're not. If"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "one really speaks globally, there are"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "Chinese audiences among whom Star Wars"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "has tested poorly. They're asking"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "questions to, you know, why does this"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "man live with an ape and so forth and so"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "on. It doesn't translate always. Barbie."}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "This Gnostic themed movie about a young"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "woman who starts contemplating mortality"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "and realizes I'm not even living a real"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "existence. It spoke to people around the"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "world. There's a scent trail of some"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "universal truth there. And I think that"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "we as a global culture, if we agree on"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "nothing else, we agree that something"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "doesn't feel quite right. We feel like"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "we're living in this airsat's reality."}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:58", "text": ">> And as a historian, other generations"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "didn't feel this. I can't say other"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "generations globally felt this. Of"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "course, people didn't necessarily feel"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "things globally at all because we"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "weren't an interconnected world, but"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "here we are today. We're an"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "interconnected world. We have wildly"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "different perceptions of reality. First,"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "I'm popular in China, then I'm censored"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "in China, and these things shift with"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "the winds. But I'd be hardressed to find"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "somebody who didn't encounter media like"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "The Matrix or Truman Show or Barbie and"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "say, \"Oh, yeah. I get it. I relate to"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "that. There's a reason for that. There's"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "something archetypal there.\""}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": ">> Do you think there's something to that?"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "Do you subscribe? You do."}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:41", "text": ">> I do. I do."}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:43", "text": ">> I'm haunted by the idea. I I couldn't"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "possibly venture specifics. I'm haunted"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "by simulation theory. If one reads um"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "Nick Bosro's original paper on"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "simulation theory,"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": ">> why haunted? Why? What's wrong? Why not?"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:58", "text": ">> Because the logic is impeccable. And"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "it's possible that we are made up of"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": ">> dots and dashes rather than DNA. And"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "it's all programming in a certain sense"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "or coding at the end of the day. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "haunted by the possibility that the"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "reason whynosticism as a faith has"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "really come roaring back into our world"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "and is probably the most popular of all"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "the we'll say esoteric spiritual"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "traditions right now in the 21st century"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "is we all relate to it. We all have a"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "feeling that we're not living as we"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "ought to be living. And I think that"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "that's absolutely correct. Take as an"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "example around the world today. Everyone"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "agrees that war is terrible. There"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "should never be another war. It solves"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "nothing. And yet we keep having them. We"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "keep having them. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:50", "text": ">> And we don't live according to our own"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "professed values. We sit in a chair."}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": ">> We read the daqing. We read the"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "biatitudes. We read the dharmapata."}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "Right on. That's the way to live. I get"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "it. We get up from the chair. Everything"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "is lost. Everything is lost. There is a"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "chasm between conviction and conduct and"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "it is global. We're broken. We're broken"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "as a human community. If we weren't"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "broken,"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "Confucious would be enough to save us."}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "Christ would be enough to save us."}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "Nietze would be enough to save us."}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "Marcus Aurelius would be enough to save"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "us. We have it"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:28", "text": ">> and we all agree with it and we don't"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "live by it. It does suggest that there's"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "a brokenness in human nature that's very"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "real. I always have three books on my"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "nightstand. One is Marcus Aurelius, one"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "is the Bible, and one is whatever sci-fi"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "I happen to be reading. But but that's"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "absolutely true. The reason I asked"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "about previous generations is we talk"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "about the Gnostic texts come up all the"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "time on this show."}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:50", "text": ">> So the Apocryphan,"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "if the book of Philip,"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": ">> book of Enoch, I mean, these are ancient"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "texts. Did they know something"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:59", "text": ">> then that now we're just all learning as"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "a species?"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "I think that the Gnostics who like the"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "hermeticists existed in in late"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "antiquity, they were part of a world"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "that was just transforming into dominant"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "monotheism"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "and they were resisting"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "monotheism because for them it didn't"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "cover the basis of man's predicament."}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "The sin and salvation model was"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "insufficient. They sensed something that"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "we sense about this terrible, terrible"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "gap between conviction and conduct. And"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "the Gnostics came to the conclusion we"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "are living under a false god in a false"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "world with false perceptions. And that's"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "why things never seem to get better. And"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "they too harbored some of the"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "apocalyptic thinking which I think is"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "intrinsic to our western or Abrahamic"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "point of view."}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": ">> I hang on. And I think it's universal."}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "There was a Japanese"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:02", "text": ">> author who said, \"Every one of us deep"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "down in our hearts is waiting for the"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "end of the world.\""}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:08", "text": ">> Well, I think there's truth to that"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "because we are also so frustrated with"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "the routine sameness of our lives. I"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "remember when Y2K was popular as a"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "subject, people would talk about it and"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "I would sense that"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:25", "text": ">> they were enjoying it."}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:27", "text": ">> Yes. It was this universal snow day and"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "I would say, \"Well, wait a minute. You"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "don't really want to see supply lines"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "get disrupted. You don't really want to"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "see it tough to refill baby formula and"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "prescriptions and diapers. None of us"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "want to see that.\" And their attitude"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "was always, \"Yeah, but we're so hungry"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "to exit routine.\" And I really"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "understand that. I feel the desperation"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "that people experience with routine. And"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "so a turning point, apocalism, Y2K, call"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "it whatever you wish. It appeals to"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "people because it seems like it's an"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "exit from this grinding ordinariness"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "that that we're very often unhappy in."}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:11", "text": ">> I love a disaster movie. I love a"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "apocalyptic movie. I think um it makes"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "us feel like we're part of a grand"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "opera."}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:19", "text": ">> Yeah. Wouldn't you rather go out with an"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "asteroid impact than just old and sick?"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:24", "text": ">> I see it. Look, I see it right here in"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "Vegas, a town that I love, you know. Um,"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "there's Excalibur, there's Luxor,"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "there's Mandalay Bay. And I like it. I"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "like it because people are so eager to"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "escape wrote and routine life. And not"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "everybody is going to visit Luxor. Not"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "everybody's going to visit Middle"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "Europe. And not everybody can afford to."}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "And fuck the snobs. You know, there's a"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "recreation of it and people from all"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "over love it. But it also speaks to the"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "hunger that we feel to get away from"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "four square existence and so much of the"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "low-grade depression and anxiety that we"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "feel, the addictions"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:06", "text": ">> is a response to that. And so we gro"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "sometimes to apocalism because if"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "nothing else, it's an exit ramp."}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:11", "text": ">> Yeah. I'm glad that you don't hate on"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "Las Vegas like so many people do."}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:14", "text": ">> I love it. Me too."}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:17", "text": ">> I think it's just wonderful. Fuck the"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "snobs. I I look at these things and I'm"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "enchanted. We have a view from our hotel"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "at Mandalay Bay of Luxor. I've been to"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "Luxor going back to Luxor in a year. I"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "love Egypt and I love the Egyptian"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "people. But"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:29", "text": ">> and it's ky but it's great."}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:32", "text": ">> And there's a Nathan's in Luxor by the"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "way. So"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:35", "text": ">> which one? The Egyptian or the Egyptian?"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:38", "text": ">> I've been I've been to McDonald's and"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "the Egyptian Luxor and it's not bad. Let"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "me recommend it. Yes."}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "Um, there's a great scene in your book"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "of at the Belrose Jewish Center where"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "your rabbi shows up wearing a toupe."}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:50", "text": ">> Can you tell us what happened with your"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "sister?"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:53", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:56", "text": ">> I dig this story. I've told it several"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "times. I tell it because I don't want"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "people to feel hemmed in by their"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "subcultures."}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:03", "text": ">> Mhm. Um, back in the good old days when"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "I was a little kid growing up in a"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "traditional Jewish family, we attended"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "Belrose Jewish Center and it became the"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "scandal of the neighborhood. If only"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "these were our problems today."}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:16", "text": ">> This is what passed were a problem back"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "in those days that the rabbis started"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "wearing a toupe. And so people had"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "discussions about whether this was"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "appropriate. Isn't a spiritual leader"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:27", "text": "supposed to model self-acceptance? It"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "wasn't put quite that nicely on 251st"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "Street, but that was the basic argument."}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "[snorts] And one day we were on a"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "receiving line after services where, you"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "know, people will shake hands with the"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "clergy, have a nice week, thank you. And"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "my sister, my older sister, four years"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "older, uh was in front of me and um Oh"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "my god, I still feel embarrassed talking"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "about it. I'm embarrassed waiting for"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:51", "text": ">> Yeah. I feel it like I did when I was"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "10. And she said to him, \"Don't you"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "think that's a little ridiculous?\" And"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "he said, \"What?"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "And uh she said the Dupe and through"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "very tight lips he said I don't think"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "that's any of your affair. And I still"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "feel mortified talking about it. But I"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "look back on that and I tell that story"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "for a reason. He was right. He was"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "right."}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:14", "text": ">> Of course he was."}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:17", "text": ">> Yeah. I feel very strongly that people"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "in our alternative spiritual culture,"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "which is where I'm from, which is where"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "I spend most of my time, we get hemmed"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "into orthodoxies the way everybody else"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "does. We flee orthodoxies only to"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "recreate them and slam the door behind"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "us as quickly as possible. What I'm"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "really trying to say to people is just"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "as in ancient myth, strangers, spiritual"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "messengers, gods would sometimes wander"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "the earth disguised as vagabons and"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "people who invited them in would receive"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "extraordinary gifts. So do solutions"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "reach us disguised as strangers. Things"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "that we are ready to reject might be"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "what we need. So if somebody says I'm"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "spiritual, well that may be spiritual"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "means extra physical. But the world we"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "live in can bring you solutions in ways"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "that are disguised as those unbidden"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "vagabons. So I beg people, I beg people,"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "think for yourself. Decide for yourself."}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "Don't turn something away because it"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "doesn't fit your cultural image or your"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "mind's eye image of what is supposed to"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "be right. Don't get fixated on the"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "example. I choose the example because"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "it's true and it's particularly vivid."}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "Here was a spiritual leader being talked"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "down because he did something that the"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "neighborhood didn't think was physically"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "appropriate. The neighborhood was wrong."}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "The neighborhood was wrong. I encourage"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "the individual to find his or her own"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "solutions and to make ethical"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "determinations about them yourself. So,"}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "if you're interested in natural"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "medicine, bravo. The solution that"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "you're seeking may come in the form of"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "that little pill. Or if you insist that"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "you don't go for any of this woo woo"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "hocus pocus, well, the solution that"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "you're seeking may come in the form of"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "Reiki or some other energy medicine."}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "Just be flexible. That's what I'm trying"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "to get across."}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:19", "text": ">> Does your sister remember that scene?"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:22", "text": ">> I don't know whether she recalls that"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "explicitly. And if she doesn't, she will"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "let me know. She has quite an influence"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "on you early on. No. With was she did"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "she bring home?"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:31", "text": ">> Oh, tremendously. So, I'm I'm indebted"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "to her for the path that I'm on because"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "here we were two kids of different ages"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "growing up in the 1970s and she would"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "bring home paperbacks from school on"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "Bigfoot and Flying Saucers and ESP and"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "the paperbacks of the the the the poor"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "belleaguered Carlos Castanada, which I"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "started reading when I was a kid."}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "I'm astounded that Castanada is still"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "such a subject of controversy in our"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "culture. Can we not understand allegory?"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "The the stories that he told were not"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "forensically verifiable. That is"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "correct. Carlos was a trickster and he"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "created a past for himself. That is"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "correct. Do we not understand allegory?"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "Did Christ not teach in parables?"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:15", "text": ">> I was just going to say"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:17", "text": ">> we bring this over literalism to Carlos"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "and we dismiss him. There's tremendous"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "wisdom in those books, particularly the"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "first one. And I started reading Carlos"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "as a little kid, thanks to my sister"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "Nina, and that too helped put me on my"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "path."}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:31", "text": ">> Tell me about the um"}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "how the how the your parents divorce"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "kind of became an engine for you."}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:38", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:39", "text": ">> As personal as you want to be."}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:42", "text": ">> Yeah. No, I I'm I'm"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:43", "text": ">> And we you know, we we had talked"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "earlier about being on similar paths."}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:47", "text": ">> I went through the same thing."}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:49", "text": ">> Huh. I went through the same thing."}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:51", "text": ">> It was a traumatic time of life."}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "Everyone's been through trauma. I have"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "nothing special to claim in terms of my"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "tale of woe. I was just speaking with my"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "wife this morning. You look from one"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "mountain range to the other in Las"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "Vegas. It's a city filled with people"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "who have undergone trauma. It's part of"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "all our lives. I was 15. Oh, the family"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "was just torn apart by financial"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "disaster. My dad, as we were discussing,"}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:16", "text": ">> 15. Okay, that's hard. He had been a"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "legal aid attorney defending the poorest"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "of the poor in New York City. Very tough"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "work."}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:23", "text": ">> Long story short, he went into private"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "practice. The private practice failed."}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "It threw our family into financial"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "turmoil. The turmoil boiled over into"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "divorce. It was a very painful time. And"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "it was no one person's fault. He was"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "made the fall guy for a lot of stuff,"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "but I never thought that was fair. And"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "with the divorce came a whole change of"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "life because look we were going to an"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "Orthodox synagogue where the sexes were"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "separated by seating and we started"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "going to a reformed synagogue signaled a"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "big change in our religious life but uh"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "in addition to that I began looking for"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "spiritual solutions and when I say"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "spiritual again I mean extra physical. I"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "do believe that we occupy this world we"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "can see this tactile world and a a world"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "that we cannot see a transpersonal world"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "and I came to believe very strongly not"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "only in the power of petitionary prayer"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "with which I had extraordinary"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "experiences as a kid continue to today"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "but I came to believe that there are"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "causitive properties to our psyche and"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "that which we believe our emotionalized"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "thoughts our thought pictures have a"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "selective quality to them and that"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "became a foundational part of my belief"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "and I nurtured that from age 15 up"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "through today testing it probing it"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "trying it denying it fleeing it coming"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "back to it and uh nobody wants to repeat"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "the suffering that they have been"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "through but we all would acknowledge"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "that suffering created the parts of"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "ourselves that we consider are most"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "refined. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:06", "text": ">> I have one more question, but you"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "mentioned another rule that was um don't"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "make fun of people because you don't"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "know what they're going through."}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:12", "text": ">> And I do it all the fucking time, may I"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "tell you? Me, too."}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:18", "text": ">> And I'm so godamned ashamed of myself."}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:20", "text": ">> And I say this because what else do we"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "have but transparency on the path?"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "Transparency, verification."}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "I look over at somebody, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "seated next to on an airplane. I think,"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "\"Oh, they're making noise, whatever.\" I"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "have no idea what that person is going"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "through. I have no idea that that person"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "might have a special needs child seated"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "two seats down from them. Yep."}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:43", "text": ">> And that they are going through things"}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "that I have never had to go through. So,"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "for God's sake, can we just take it a"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "little easier on one another? Seems such"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "a simple statement, right? But as"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "profundity appears in application and"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "I'm always telling that to people. I"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "like at this point in my search very"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "simple things because first of all we"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "won't try things unless they are simple"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "and secondly"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "the profoundity and the difficulty and"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "the complexity will not appear until we"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "try them. You know we all love the delic"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "maxim know thyself. Sure I agree with"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "that. Put it on my coffee mug. Nice"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "refrigerator magnet. But none of us"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "engage in it. You know, we all think we"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "know ourselves. We don't take it"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "seriously. We don't take seriously"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "self-observation."}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:27", "text": ">> We don't take seriously the dictim not"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "to lie. Again, here's this chasm between"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "conviction and conduct. Of course, lying"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "is terrible. Well, you know, peel back"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "the layers a little bit. When have I"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "lied in the past 10 hours, 24 hours,"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "what have you."}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:42", "text": ">> Another rule. Everybody lies."}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:44", "text": ">> Another rule. Yeah. And um"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:47", "text": ">> well, these rules, people need to read"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "these. They're rules to live by. And I"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "was telling you earlier that I believe"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "every single one of these and I fail at"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "quite a few of them"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:57", "text": ">> constantly. Constantly."}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:43:01", "text": ">> Like this requires work, vigilance."}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:03", "text": ">> Yeah. And it requires at certain moments"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "coming face to face with oneself and"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "feeling like you're a stranger to"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:09", "text": "yourself. And that aperture will close."}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "And then you know I reach for the TV"}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:15", "text": "clicker and I, you know, reach for the"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "beer or the weed and that aperture will"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "close. But for God's sake, let it live."}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "Let it live for a few moments. Don't put"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "it in other words. In other words, just"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "let the remorse be there when you see"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "that gap between self and conduct. And"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "count on the fact that it'll go away and"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "don't worry about that. We're not built"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "to sustain it, but but don't throw it"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "away when it comes."}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": ">> So, we're always defaulting back to"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "violating these rules. Is that how you"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "describe like just running one of the"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "programs, the 20 programs that we just"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "run it"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:50", "text": ">> when you"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:52", "text": ">> get angry at that person on the plane?"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "You're just running the program eight,"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "which is annoyed."}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:59", "text": ">> Absolutely. I came to realize at a"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "certain point that I probably have 20"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "total responses to life in one variation"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "or another. And there's a nightmare in"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "that. You know, we speak of free will."}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "I'm closer to a pullstring doll than I"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "am to a a figure of free will. I do"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "believe in free will, but free will"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "requires development. Decision-making"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "requires development. We hear all the"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "time that wars happen because human"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "beings choose to go to war. That's"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "nonsense. We don't choose anything. We"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "are the equivalent of automatons. We can"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "only speak of choice with development."}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "And that's a long, hard, arduous road."}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "and I'm not sure it even ends anywhere"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "very promising. I think humanity's"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "position is is just disastrous. I think"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "we're in a very serious descent."}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:51", "text": ">> And I don't think there's anything that"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "I or anyone else can can do about that."}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "I mean, I ask people watching right now,"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "if they're watching this on a computer,"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "keep in mind, all of us, all of us are"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "going to throw out that computer someday"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "and that lithium battery is going to"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "wind up in the backyard of some poor kid"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "somewhere who's going to get poisoned"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "groundwater because of that. And we know"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "that. Y"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:10", "text": ">> and we do it anyway."}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:12", "text": ">> We do it anyway."}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:13", "text": ">> That's our brokenness."}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:17", "text": ">> I couldn't decide if your book was"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "self-help or if it was a guide book to"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "the apocalypse. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:26", "text": ">> Well, it's interesting. I worked for 27"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "years in corporate publishing and um"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "I met a lot of authors who ran from the"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "label self-help because they think it's"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "day class A. It's unseriousness. It's"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:38", "text": "the philosophy of the people. I embrace"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "the label self-help. I'm proud of that"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "label. Now, is it a guide to the"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "apocalypse? Yes, in the certain sense"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "because I believe that we are in a stage"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "of decline. Call it kaluga. uh call it"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "uh sleep, call it automaticity,"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "uh call it u what the Gnostics called it"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "that we're we're living under a false"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "god or a false deity. There are"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "different terms for it, but to suggest"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "that we are beings of free will making"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "choices. I see evidence for that"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "nowhere. So, if that's the apocalypse,"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "then I would have to agree with that"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "characterization."}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:17", "text": ">> We're all running that one of those"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "programs. It's Yeah, it was startling to"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "read in your book. Um, before we go to"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "break and I want to talk about your"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "publishing career,"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "we're talking about your dad. Can we"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "tell me about Dad versus Sid?"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:37", "text": ">> Oh, wow. Well, I was very proud of Dad"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "at age 12. Uh, dad ran for Congress on a"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "a district that bridges uh the Queens"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "Long Island border. It was that Union"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "Turnpike Marcus Avenue district. and uh"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:52", "text": ">> the Silver Moon District,"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:54", "text": ">> the Silver Moon District. And his"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "opponent was a standard machine"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "politician, not a bad guy, not a bad"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "guy, named Lester Wolf, who was the"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "chair of some subcommittee on narcotics"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "in Congress. And dad decided that uh"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "again, if only these were our problems"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "today,"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:12", "text": ">> better time. Dad decided that Sid"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "Vicious should never have been allowed"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "into this country because Sid supposedly"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "killed his girlfriend Nancy Spongen. I"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "don't know that that's true, but that's"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "certainly what history has recorded. Sid"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "never got his day in court cuz he died"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "of an overdose soon after. And I loved"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "Sid, but dad decided that he was going"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "to become the poster boy for anarchy in"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "our burrow. And people were worried"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "about crime. And dad, to his credit,"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "would not play the race card. and"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "instead he made Sid Vicious into oh, I"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "don't know, his campaign partner. And so"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "he went around giving talks uh that"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "Lester Wolf, his opponent, should have"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "be held responsible for a known drug"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "addict entering our country and killing"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "his girlfriend in our fair city. And I"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "remember once he was speaking in front"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "of a group of grumpy Jewish war veterans"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "and he gave this talk and Lester Wolf"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "showed up late, not a smooth move. And"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "um he had no idea that dad was doing any"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "of this. Didn't know who Sid Vicious"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "was. And so they started screaming at"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "him, \"You let Vicious Sid into this"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "country.\""}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:22", "text": ">> The the presentation had to stop so"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "Lester Wolf could be told who Sid"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "Vicious was. But again, I I write very"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "lovingly, very admiringly about this."}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:30", "text": ">> Talk about the good old days when these"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "were our problems. You know,"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:34", "text": ">> I the the title of the article was"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "brilliant. It was, \"Dad fought the Sex"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "Pistols and the Sex Pistols won.\""}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:38", "text": ">> Yeah. And now the song is in my head."}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:40", "text": ">> That's how it happened."}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:44", "text": ">> And we'll be right back. There's a"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "section in your book called Cast Out."}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:48", "text": ">> 1997, you're fired. The first is two"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "times from your dream job."}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:54", "text": ">> Two years in and it's over."}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:55", "text": ">> What happened? What happened through"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:59", "text": ">> that year?"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "I worked for many years in corporate"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "publishing and once upon a time I was"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "hired by a political press now defunct"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "at Simon and Schustster called the Free"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "Press and that place was flying high and"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "I was thrilled to be there. I could not"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "get arrested when I was there two years"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "and I just couldn't get agents to submit"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "to me the way that was necessary and"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "that chokes off your air supply in"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "publishing. You live and die by that."}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:29", "text": ">> So, you have to wait for submissions."}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "That was your role."}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:32", "text": ">> Oh, I would try to drum up books and I"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "drumed up some damn good ones and I'm"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "very proud of a lot of what I published"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "there. But you can only do so much of"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "that. I mean, you really need to be"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "getting a stream of submissions in. And"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "for various reasons, I found it very,"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "very difficult. And I'll never forget"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "it. It's painful to recount, but people"}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "deserve to hear it because they've been"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "through things like this. And they'll"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "feel less alone if they hear it. After"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "about a year on the job, I came back"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "from lunch. This was the old days before"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:03", "text": "email ruled the roost. And we would"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:05", "text": "still get uh phone messages on those"}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "little pink scratch pads. There were no"}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "little pink scratch pad messages waiting"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "for me. And my voicemail light was not"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "on. And so I quietly closed my office"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "door and I lay my head down on my desk"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "and I thought, I am fucking going to get"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "fired. And within about a year that"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "transpired and it was scary as hell and"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "it was painful as hell because a lot of"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "people in publishing got fired. It's a"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "tough business and I lasted longer than"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "most. I continued to last for many years"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "after that. But I thought I am not the"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "guy who gets fired. I am the achiever."}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:47", "text": "That wasn't so. And that was very tough."}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "And so I start looking for new jobs. I"}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "have no family money. I live paycheck to"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "paycheck. And let me tell you, I got the"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "highest level interviews. John Kennedy"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "Jr. interviewed me for a political"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "magazine he was running at the time."}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "Yeah. He offered me a job. He died"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "shortly thereafter in a very tragic"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "airplane crash. And he was a hell of a"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "good guy. Like"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:08", "text": ">> he was going to be he was going to be"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "mayor."}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:12", "text": ">> Yeah. And and"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:14", "text": ">> I mean he's American royalty. And you"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "talk to him, puts you immediately at"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "ease. Super easy to talk to. was"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "interested in cattle mutilations. It"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "might interest you and your audience to"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:22", "text": ">> I'm interested in what happened on that"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "flight."}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. And so what a loss."}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:30", "text": ">> I had experience one after another like"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:33", "text": "that. Not where something tragic"}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "occurred, but oh my god, I was in the"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "running for an arts and ideas editor at"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "the New York Times. Interviewed with the"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "executive editor, Joseph Levelvelt."}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "Nothing. Um the editor of Harper's"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "Magazine had a few too many one night."}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "Offered me a job. next day nothing. And"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "so, how does it feel when you come so"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "close to winning the gold and you get"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "nothing? You don't even get a bronze."}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "You get nothing. And I thought, I'm in"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "trouble and I've got to start going the"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:03", "text": "blue collar route. So, I just started"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "looking in what we used to call the"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "classified ads like everybody else."}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "uh a Backwater New Age publisher which"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "has gone through many different names"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "because it keeps getting bought by"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "different companies opened its doors to"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "me and I I went there."}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:21", "text": ">> What was it? Which publisher?"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:24", "text": ">> Well, it was known as Tarture Penguin"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:25", "text": ">> back in my day. We were Tarter Putnham,"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "then Tarter Penguin, then the"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "unpronouncable Tarter Perigee, and"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "which every radio host would call Tarter"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "Perigree. And I'd be like, \"This was a"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "great move.\" [laughter] Anyway, um it"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "was a slightly down on its luck new age"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "press and I was coming from what had"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "been a very high-flying press where"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "everything we published would get"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "reviewed in the New Yorker and the New"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "York Review of Books and the New York"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "Times and so forth. These were different"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "days. And my friends thought I was"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:58", "text": "crazy. They said, \"Don't go there.\" And"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "my attitude was, \"No, I believe in a"}, {"start": "00:52:58", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "yes. And I believe in walking through"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "open doors.\" And"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:03", "text": ">> you didn't feel like it was a step down."}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:06", "text": ">> Oh, it was definitely a step down. It"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "was and I felt it intensely. I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "went from, oh man, uh, Harvard to a"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "little correspondent school that nobody"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "has heard of. And it was a very serious"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "step down. But I swallowed the ego and I"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "swallowed the humiliation. Lost a lot of"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "friends. God save us from our friends."}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:27", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:30", "text": ">> Why? Because I use the term friends. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:32", "text": "resisting air quotes. In New York City,"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "friendships are based on usefulness."}, {"start": "00:53:32", "end": "00:53:35", "text": "Friendships are based on what can you do"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:38", "text": "for me?"}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:40", "text": ">> Another rule is steal yourself when your"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "best friend betrays you."}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:41", "text": ">> For real."}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:42", "text": ">> For real."}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:46", "text": ">> For real."}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So it was painful. Um so I"}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "use the term friends with qualification."}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "Sure. Oh, people dropped away from me."}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "People abandoned me. People would say,"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "\"How you doing?\" as though I was in the"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "hospital or something, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:54:00", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:03", "text": ">> But I take seriously a Yes. I take"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "seriously an open door. And remember,"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:08", "text": "messengers come desri disguised as"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "strangers."}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:12", "text": ">> Be flexible. Don't get stuck to your"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "mind's eye image of where you're going."}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "I started to rediscover the occult and"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "esoteric interests that I knew as a kid,"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "which I still had, but they were"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "secondary. They were on the back burner."}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "This job brought them back up front."}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:29", "text": ">> Well, hang on. What was your belief"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "system when you were an executive?"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "Was it just"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:34", "text": ">> Well, most of my career was eventually"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "spent in spiritual publishing. So, my"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "outlook was a lot like what you're"}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "hearing now. But before that,"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:41", "text": ">> before that,"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:43", "text": ">> oh, I was just interested in politics"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "and social trends and things of that"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "nature. I might go on a yoga retreat now"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "and then or do something like that, but"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "it was it was secondary. It was"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "secondary."}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:53", "text": ">> Just just New York hustle is really what"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "it was."}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:57", "text": ">> New York hustle. And in New York City,"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "you don't talk about spirituality too"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "much or people start to think you're a"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "nut. You know, you can you can invoke"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "your version of psychized NPR Buddhism,"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "but you you know, you go beyond that and"}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "your tote bag gets revoked."}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:09", "text": ">> No, the moon the mooneyies were"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "mooneyies were still on the west side at"}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "that time."}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:16", "text": ">> Oh, that's right. That's right. No, you"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "can't do any of that stuff. Um, and so"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "it wasn't too frequently talked about"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "and people had your fairly conventional"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "attitudes. It's a bunch of junk, a bunch"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:25", "text": "of nonsense. Don't tell me about your"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "Star Scroll, you know, leave that back"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "at the Silver Moon Diner. And so that"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "stuff was back burned in my life. I"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "began reading into the backlist of of"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "this imprint and it changed everything"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "for me. It reignited all my childhood"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "interests. So I read about the different"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "mystical positive mind philosophies. I"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "read about the philosophy of GI Gerjief."}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "I read all kinds of of occult and"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "esoteric and alternative spiritual texts"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "that just awakened a fire in me that had"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "gone way down to a little pilot light."}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "And then eventually eventually having"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:03", "text": "thought I left writing behind which was"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "a real suffering for me I rediscovered"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "myself as a writer because to write well"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:12", "text": "you need that perfect marriage to topic"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "and I didn't have it. I didn't want to"}, {"start": "00:56:12", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "write book reviews for the Village Voice"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:17", "text": "or something like that. I didn't want to"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "write about politics. There were enough"}, {"start": "00:56:17", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "guys boopping around town doing that. I"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "didn't want any part of it. But"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "suddenly, suddenly I began to realize"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "that the metaphysical topics and their"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "purveyors, figures like Manley P. Hall,"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "Edar Casey, Madame HP Bllovadsky, these"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:38", "text": "figures were not receiving fair"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "treatment within mainstream letters."}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "Well, people don't realize how"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "influential you are with the culture. I"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "mean, if if anyone who think watched or"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "read The Secret or thinks about"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "manifestation, half the kids on TikTok,"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "it goes back to Manly P. Hall, doesn't"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:55", "text": ">> Yeah. It's remarkable. And and the under"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "these figures are almost like an"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "underground river that feeds so much of"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "our above ground culture, but they get"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "forgotten. They get disparaged."}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "They are when they're acknowledged,"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "they're all within mainstream letters."}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "Their reputations and their lives are"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "butchered. But these are people who"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "really lived for something."}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:14", "text": ">> Well, how did you know Neville was"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "important?"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:19", "text": ">> Oh man, I knew Neville was important"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "when I first came into contact with his"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "work. I had not heard of him. It was"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "summer of 2003 and this is what"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "reignited my writing career. Uh there"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "was a positive thinking magazine called"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "Science of Mind and they landed an"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "interview with a major league pitcher"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "named Barry Zitto and Barry became the"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "hero of the 2012 World Series pitching"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "for the San Francisco Giants."}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "Barry"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "uses or used a lot of these positive"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "mind methods in his training came from"}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "his parents"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "and so they wanted to find somebody they"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "could trust to interview Barry. There"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "was no room to mess this up. This was a"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "very important"}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "catch and article and figure and they"}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "asked me to do it and I hadn't written"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "for years and I was so thrilled and I"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "thought this is another open door. This"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "is another yes. Take this. And so I"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "interviewed Barry in the summer of 2003."}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:22", "text": ">> No anxiety. Don't fuck this up."}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:24", "text": ">> Oh, I had huge anxiety."}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:27", "text": ">> Good. And I read into his background"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "very deeply and I discovered something"}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "which is that a good article of any kind"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "is an article in which the writer"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "follows his or her own proclivities and"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "finds the connective tissue. Finds the"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:41", "text": "connective tissue. You create your own"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "beginning, middle, and end. And I wanted"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:48", "text": "to do that with Barry because I was so"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "fascinated with him as a man of mystical"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "beliefs who really took the rubber to"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "the road because you have nowhere to"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "hide in athleticism whether you're a"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "martial artist, basketball player, you"}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "have nowhere to hide. You're out there"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "naked."}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:03", "text": ">> You can or you can't."}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:05", "text": ">> You can or you can't. And your your"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "performance is your only proving ground."}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "And Barry's performance was stellar. And"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "he was so frank and so upfront about the"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "mystical ideas that fed his training"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "which he got from his parents Joe and"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "Roberta. And as we were talking, Barry"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "said to me, \"You must really be into"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "Neville or Neville Goddard.\" I had never"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "heard the name. And he said something to"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "me about Neville Goddard, this great"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:32", "text": "British Barbadian mystic."}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:35", "text": ">> A ball player turned you on to Neville."}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:38", "text": ">> Ball player. Okay. Barry Zto. Yeah. And"}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "I got Neville's book Resurrection which"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "was published in 1966 his last"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "fulllength book. And Neville's"}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "contention which he repeated elegantly"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "across his career is that your"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "imagination is what is symbolically"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:59", "text": "called God in scripture. And that"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "everything that you experience consists"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "of your own emotionalized thoughts"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "pushed out into the world. including my"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "voice right now, including your presence"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "right now. So Neville would say to your"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "audience, um, there's no Mitch here,"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "there's no AJ here. These are figments"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "of your own imagination. You're just"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "ready to receive whatever this message"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "is through that form right now. It's all"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "rooted in you as you are rooted in the"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:29", "text": "ultimate. And I fell into Neville's"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "message because he enunciated it so"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "beautifully. And every time I read it or"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "heard it, it was as though I were"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "encountering it for the first time. And"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "Neville became one of the chief"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "influences on my life. So I write the"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:46", "text": "article about Barry. About two weeks"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "later, somebody tells me, \"Mitch, Joe"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "Zto is on the phone, Barry's father. He"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "wants to talk to you.\" And I'm thinking,"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "\"Oh god.\" Cuz Joe had a really tough"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:56", "text": "reputation. So now I'm nervous. And I"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "pick up the phone. He goes, \"Mitch, this"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "is Joe Zto.\" And he, \"That article was"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "terrific. Now you listen to me. You"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "stick with this thing. By which he meant"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "writing. By which he meant writing. And"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "it was just what I needed to hear at"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:12", "text": "that juncture of life. Had I not gone to"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "that backwater new age publisher, had I"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "not read into its backlist, had I not"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "interviewed Barry, encountered Neville,"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:21", "text": "encountered Joe, I wouldn't be seated"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:23", "text": "here right now. I wouldn't be married to"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "my my wife Jacqueline Castell right now,"}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "who we met through our shared adjacency"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "to these topics."}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "What I experienced when I was fired from"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "the free press was a failure and it was"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "emotionally very difficult. I suffered."}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "I suffered. It's not something I want to"}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "go through again or wish somebody else"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "would go through. But without that"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "suffering would not have come the"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "deliverance and the refinement that I"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:50", "text": "saw. It's just the bargain that life"}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "strikes with us."}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:56", "text": ">> Well, I mean, um, Jack Valet, Manley"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "Hall, Neville,"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "who was in the slush pile? What kind of"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "work were you getting that you said no?"}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:05", "text": ">> The only things for me that wound up in"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "the slush pile, and there are a few"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:09", "text": "things I wish wound up in the slush pile"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:11", "text": "that [laughter] I published, uh, were"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "works that were just lazy where people"}, {"start": "01:02:11", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "weren't really putting themselves"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "through paces to ask, \"How do I know"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "this? Have I struggled to verify this?"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "Have I really tried to make this"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:28", "text": "happen?\" And it's tough in publishing"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:30", "text": "because even when you decide I'm not"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:32", "text": "going to acquire a project unless I get"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "sample chapters and I know those sample"}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "chapters are just cracker jack and"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "great. People choke under pressure all"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "the time. That was the most stressful"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:42", "text": "thing for me in publishing. People used"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "to ask me do you miss publishing? Not"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "for an instant. It did many good things"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "for me. But"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "being a writer and being answerable to"}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:55", "text": "myself is infinitely more fulfilling"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "than being on pins and needles as to"}, {"start": "01:02:55", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "whether somebody is going to meet his or"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "her deadline. I would pay people good"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:04", "text": "money to write on topics that were near"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "and dear to their heart and they would"}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:11", "text": "choke and it was always my fault, you"}, {"start": "01:03:08", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "know, never their fault. And there was"}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "an exception to that who I write about"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "in the book [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "and a lot of people don't hearing don't"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "like hearing the name of this exception."}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "Go ahead."}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:24", "text": ">> But that was Tucker Carlson."}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:26", "text": ">> I knew Tucker when we were relative kids"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "and I signed up Tucker to write a book."}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:32", "text": "His career was just taking off. Didn't"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:34", "text": "work out. One day at my desk, I got a"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "handwritten note and a check for $10,000"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "from Tucker. And he said, \"Look, I'm"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:42", "text": "very sorry. I just I can't do it.\" and"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "uh one and only time in 27 years"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "anyone's ever done that, taken the"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "responsibility on himself, returned the"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:51", "text": "dough, and you part with a handshake. Uh"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:52", "text": "but the toughest part of publishing, and"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "I suppose this goes on everywhere, this"}, {"start": "01:03:52", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "goes on in hospitals, this goes on in"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "every workplace, is that people just"}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "will not say, uh I had an accident or I"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "couldn't do it or I made a mistake, I"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "failed, whatever. And um that was a"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "tough part of publishing for me. I don't"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "want to depend upon somebody else to row"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:16", "text": "the boat. I want to row it myself."}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:17", "text": ">> I I think it your publishing career"}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "shows up almost as rule number one is do"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "the work and do it on time. I mean"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:21", "text": ">> Amen."}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:24", "text": ">> It's right there. Number one."}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:26", "text": ">> Amen. And if you can't,"}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:28", "text": ">> then be open about it. Go to the person"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:31", "text": "to whom you owe it and you'll fix it"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "together. Just don't run away. [sighs]"}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:35", "text": ">> Um can we connect Manley P. called a"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "Ronald Reagan."}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:36", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:37", "text": ">> let's do that."}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:38", "text": ">> They knew each other."}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:41", "text": ">> They did?"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I wrote about this of"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:47", "text": "all places in that journal of occult"}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "Passions, the Washington Post in 2010."}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "And I I don't write very much for"}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "mainstream sources anymore because I"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "find that my topics are treated with"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:59", "text": "cynicism and I don't like pushing back"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:01", "text": "all the time against cynicism. But it's"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "also a good exercise because you're"}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "writing for a place that has no"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "sympathies to occult subject matter. I"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "did a text analysis of Reagan's speeches"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "and I found Dead to Rights and anybody"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "wants to can read about it in the"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:19", "text": "Washington Post. Uh it's called Reagan"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:23", "text": "and the Occult is the article came out"}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "in April of 2010 with my by line. I did"}, {"start": "01:05:23", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "a textual analysis of Reagan's speeches"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "and I found that from the earliest"}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:35", "text": "stages of his political career in the"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:37", "text": "1950s when he was a spokesman for uh GE"}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "up through the second term of his"}, {"start": "01:05:37", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "presidency. He was adopting not only"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "ideas but specific phrasiology"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "from the work of Manly P. Paul,"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "particularly from a book called The"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "Secret Destiny of America, which is kind"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "of a mythical retelling of American"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "history. And Reagan would talk about"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "this. He spoke about this at the"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "centenery of the Statue of Liberty. He"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:04", "text": "spoke about this in front of CPAC. He"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:07", "text": "spoke about this in front of college"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "audiences at commencement addresses. And"}, {"start": "01:06:07", "end": "01:06:10", "text": "everybody just thought, \"Ah, you know,"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "there goes old Ron again. You know, he"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:16", "text": "gets a little barmy.\" Well, he was"}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "quoting directly from Manley P. Hall."}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "Furthermore, uh there's an Gnostic"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "scholar who died recently, Stefan Heler."}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "And Heler, who I think was a very sober"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "man and a very good witness overall, uh"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:32", "text": "told me uh that he was on campus once at"}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "the philosophical research society in"}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "Los Angeles and that there was this"}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "beautiful limousine parked outside of"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "Manley Hall's office and Heler went up"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "to the driver who was a right proper"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:47", "text": "chauffeur with the cap and everything"}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:49", "text": "and he said to the chauffeur, uh"}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:51", "text": "Stephan used to have a particular way of"}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "talking to who belongs this beautiful"}, {"start": "01:06:51", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "are and he said, \"Well, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:55", "text": "not supposed to talk about it, but"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "Governor Reagan, you know, he's there in"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:07:00", "text": "the office with with with Manley Hall.\""}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "And uh then when Reagan was running for"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "president, he would come on the tube and"}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "Manley would sort of laugh a little and"}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "say, \"Ah, yes, we know him.\" And uh a"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:10", "text": "woman named Pearl Thomas, who was the"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "librarian, confirmed this, but but it"}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:13", "text": "wasn't something they like to talk about"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:15", "text": "because Manley Hall was not a"}, {"start": "01:07:13", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "starchaser. He didn't like to try to"}, {"start": "01:07:15", "end": "01:07:20", "text": "associate himself with political figures"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:21", "text": "or bold-faced names. There's something I"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "really admired about the man. He lived"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:26", "text": "in Hollywood most of his adult life, but"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "he never kind of chased after celebrity"}, {"start": "01:07:26", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "status. He lived a very quiet life."}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "Anyway, uh best of my knowledge, he and"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:37", "text": "Reagan had had friendly meetings and"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:41", "text": "dead to rights certain as dead to rights"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "certainty uh based on direct quotes, uh"}, {"start": "01:07:41", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "Reagan was was drawing upon the work of"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "Manley Hall in his own speeches. So"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "people say, \"Oh, the Reagans, you know,"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:51", "text": "into astrology, numerology.\" Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "that's true. And it went deeper than"}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "that. Went deeper than that."}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:55", "text": ">> And do you remember any specific"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "examples from Reagan?"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:07:59", "text": ">> Oh, well, very specifically Reagan"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:03", "text": "across the arc of his political career"}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "told a story about this mysterious"}, {"start": "01:08:03", "end": "01:08:08", "text": "unknown speaker at the signing of the"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "Declaration of Independence uh in"}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "Philadelphia in on July 4th, 1776. And"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "no one knew how this mysterious man"}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:19", "text": "entered and exited the locked doors of"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "the hall. But when the delegates were"}, {"start": "01:08:19", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "wavering and were afraid to put their"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:27", "text": "signatures to paper, he gave this"}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "rousing address. And he uh uh urged all"}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "the delegates to rush forward and sign"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "the paper. And so Manley wondered"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:36", "text": "whether this was a secret agent of"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "destiny, a hidden adept whose job it was"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "to nudge the New Republic along on its"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "path to experiments in self-governance."}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "And I remember I first got onto the"}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:50", "text": "scent trail of this because a talk show"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:53", "text": "host in New Orleans said to me, \"Did you"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "know that Ronald Reagan believed in"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:57", "text": "secret spiritual masters?\" And I said,"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "\"No, I didn't know that.\" Somewhat"}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:03", "text": "skeptical. and uh he sent me a"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:06", "text": "newsletter from some congressman who had"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:08", "text": "written something about it. And the"}, {"start": "01:09:06", "end": "01:09:11", "text": "newsletter from the congressman"}, {"start": "01:09:08", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "identified an article that Reagan wrote"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:18", "text": "for Parade magazine in 1980 on the topic"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "of what the Fourth of July means to him."}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:22", "text": "And he wrote the article on a legal pad"}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "in longhand. And I got hold of the"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "article and my blood ran cold because I"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:30", "text": "realized, oh my god, this is telltale"}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:32", "text": "phrasiology from Manley PH Hall. And I"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "began to track it. And I tracked the"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "story that Manley told, which is a story"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:39", "text": "of questionable vintage, but he"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "certainly thought he was repeating"}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "something that that that had historical"}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:46", "text": "verity. And"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:48", "text": ">> did he ever name that guy? Because he"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "shows up in the account of St. Germaine"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:50", "text": "myth, right?"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:52", "text": ">> Which connects to theosophy and all of"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "that. Exactly. He called him the unknown"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "speaker. Okay, that was the term,"}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "unknown speaker. Um, I tracked down the"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:03", "text": "etmology of the story and I'm I'm fairly"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "sure that it comes from a a mid 19th"}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "century work and it was it was told in a"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "way that was intended to be fanciful. It"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "was written by a guy named George"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "Liippard who was a friend of Edgar Ellen"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "Poe and he was trying to capture"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:18", "text": "something of the fiery eloquence at the"}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "time of the revolution and he"}, {"start": "01:10:18", "end": "01:10:22", "text": "acknowledged that the story was invented"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "but he felt it was parabolically true,"}, {"start": "01:10:22", "end": "01:10:27", "text": "mythically true. Manley felt that the"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:29", "text": "story had historical verity. He repeated"}, {"start": "01:10:27", "end": "01:10:33", "text": "it. Reagan repeated it. Reagan even says"}, {"start": "01:10:29", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "in front of CPAC, uh, I have to admit"}, {"start": "01:10:33", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "I've never gone through the trouble to"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "verify the story, but I I believe that"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "it's true. I've spoken to the man who"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:43", "text": "who told it to me. I think he's"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:46", "text": "referencing Manly Phal. And um and there"}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:48", "text": "it is. There is deep-seated esoteric"}, {"start": "01:10:46", "end": "01:10:51", "text": "history. You got to remember during"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:53", "text": "Reagan's lifetime, Manley Phal was an"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:55", "text": "unknown. He's known today. He's known"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:58", "text": "throughout the internet today, but back"}, {"start": "01:10:55", "end": "01:11:00", "text": "then this was a real figure from"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:03", "text": "underground culture. And there's Ronald"}, {"start": "01:11:00", "end": "01:11:07", "text": "Reagan quoting from him. How does Manley"}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:09", "text": "uh Hall connect to Napoleon Hill?"}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:10", "text": ">> Well, I don't know that Manley Hall"}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "would have liked the work of Napoleon"}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "Hill because Manley was discouraging of"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "an acquisitional approach to"}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:21", "text": "spirituality or to self-development. I"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "don't share that critique of Manley's. I"}, {"start": "01:11:21", "end": "01:11:25", "text": "think Napoleon Hill, despite his own"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "checkered biography, which I've written"}, {"start": "01:11:25", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "about,"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:33", "text": ">> was a tremendously shrewd observer of"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:35", "text": "human nature. And I reckon that Napoleon"}, {"start": "01:11:33", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "Hill and his book Think and Grow Rich,"}, {"start": "01:11:35", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "which I recommend, saved my own life"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "because I was fired twice in publishing."}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:43", "text": "Uh, the second and last time was in"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "2017."}, {"start": "01:11:43", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "Now, my company was bought out by Random"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:51", "text": "House. This was in 2013. And I thought,"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "\"Oh man, they are going to come for me.\""}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:56", "text": ">> Here we go again."}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:59", "text": ">> Here we go again. And so I did something"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "that I recommend to people. I had known"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:04", "text": "Napoleon Hill's work for years. I had"}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "published an addition of Think and Grow"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "Rich since 2004,"}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "but I like many people thought, \"Ah, you"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "know, I don't need that self-help stuff."}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "I know all these exercises. I'm an"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:17", "text": "expert when it comes to this stuff. Come"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:20", "text": "on, bring on the big boys.\" I was wrong."}, {"start": "01:12:17", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "I was wrong. I decided, feeling that my"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "job might be in danger. And I lasted"}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "another four years. took them a while to"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "find me, but I decided in 2013, you"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:27", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:28", "text": ">> was that when you were the best kept"}, {"start": "01:12:27", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "secret in the company?"}, {"start": "01:12:28", "end": "01:12:34", "text": ">> That's when I was the best kept secret"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:37", "text": "in the company, had I remained so. Um, I"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "I thought to myself, um, there's no such"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "thing as a merger. There's a buyout,"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:46", "text": ">> And buyouts result in layoffs, and those"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:48", "text": "are the hard truths. And so, I started"}, {"start": "01:12:46", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "to think, I'm going to need to"}, {"start": "01:12:48", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "contemplate a career post-publishing"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:52", "text": "because I ain't going through this"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "again."}, {"start": "01:12:52", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "And I recommend this to everybody who"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "feels they are at a crisis in life. I"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:02", "text": "got a copy of Think and Grow Rich, a"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "book that I was on very familiar terms"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "with, but I did something different. I"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "did every exercise in that book as"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "though my life depended on it. And when"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "they came for me in fall of 2017, I was"}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "ready. I was ready to embark on my own"}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "independent career as a a writer,"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "speaker, television host. I was ready."}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:27", "text": "And I attribute a lot of that to"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "Napoleon Hill's work. People don't know"}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:30", "text": "Think and Grow Rich. They only believe"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "that they know Think and Grow Rich"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "because of our I heard it somewhere"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "culture. The book has an element of mind"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "metaphysics in it. It has an element of"}, {"start": "01:13:36", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "mental causation in it, but it's a very"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:45", "text": "actionoriented book and it is a book"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "filled with shrewd observations about"}, {"start": "01:13:45", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "human nature and I cannot recommend it"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "highly enough."}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:51", "text": ">> What do you think we're getting wrong"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "about it?"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:56", "text": "We [snorts] get things wrong because we"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:58", "text": "think we're too sophisticated for books"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:13:59", "text": "like Think and Grow Rich. I'm supposed"}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:01", "text": "to be embarrassed sitting on the New"}, {"start": "01:13:59", "end": "01:14:04", "text": "York City subway carrying my copy of"}, {"start": "01:14:01", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "Think and Grow Rich. How go. What are"}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "you going to read next? Dale Carnegie's"}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "How to Win Friends and Influence People."}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:11", "text": ">> That's next on my list."}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:14", "text": ">> You know, I give that book as a gift to"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:16", "text": "my kids and to other young people. We"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:17", "text": "I'd like to say we've forgotten the"}, {"start": "01:14:16", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "lessons of these books, but we've never"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "even learned them. We as a culture think"}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:25", "text": "we're too sophisticated for books like"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "that. And I think that's a a huge and"}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:31", "text": "tragic mistake. And I will read Think"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:34", "text": "and Grow Rich cover out with my white"}, {"start": "01:14:31", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "packing tape on it to my clear packing"}, {"start": "01:14:34", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "tape to keep it from falling apart. And"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "I go back to that book just about every"}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "year. And I encourage people, I don't"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:47", "text": "care how often you feel you've been"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "around the block with self-help or"}, {"start": "01:14:47", "end": "01:14:52", "text": "motivational literature or whatever it"}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:54", "text": "may be, do the exercises as though your"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "life depends on it and things will"}, {"start": "01:14:54", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "happen. I state that from experience."}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:00", "text": ">> I agree. My copies are probably 30 years"}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "old. I still have it."}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:06", "text": ">> Did you connect Napoleon Hill to Marxism"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "at some point? [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:09", "text": ">> That's very funny that you say that. Uh"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "there was a lawyer from the Napoleon"}, {"start": "01:15:09", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "Hill Foundation. Best editorial note"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "I've ever gotten. He he wrote in the"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "margin of one of my manuscripts because"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "I was doing a book in conjunction with"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "their foundation. Napoleon Hill was not"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "a socialist. It was very dry comment. I"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "think what I was doing was I was"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "comparing Napoleon Hill to the work of"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "someone who was a socialist and that's"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:33", "text": "Wallace D. Wattles who wrote The Science"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "of Getting Rich, which was a primary"}, {"start": "01:15:33", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "source behind the book and movie The"}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:39", "text": "Secret. What people don't understand"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "about Wallace Dy Wattles and what I've"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "what I've written about in connection"}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:45", "text": "with his life, he's a beautiful man. He"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "was a democratic socialist and he"}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "believed that each individual could"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "liberate him or herself from the machine"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "by using these mental paths to wealth"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "and could create kind of a society of"}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:01", "text": "benevolent anarchy. I guess today we"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "might call him an anarchist or a"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "libertarian, but he saw himself as a"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "socialist and he saw himself in the"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "March of Progress and he saw his methods"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "as methods that would liberate working"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "men and women from the machine."}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:18", "text": ">> He's a beautiful man. Ran for office"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "three times on the ticket of the"}, {"start": "01:16:18", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "Socialist Party USA. Yeah. and uh and"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "was going to run for office a fourth"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "time, but unfortunately he died of"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:29", "text": "tuberculosis about a year after uh"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "science of getting rich came out."}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "Beautiful man and he was the real thing."}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:36", "text": "Wallace Dy Waddles, he was a real"}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:38", "text": "idealist and I think his methods are"}, {"start": "01:16:36", "end": "01:16:40", "text": "among the most wonderful that you'll"}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "find in the whole mind metaphysics"}, {"start": "01:16:40", "end": "01:16:45", "text": "genre. He was and I've written"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "extensively about this and let me tell"}, {"start": "01:16:45", "end": "01:16:50", "text": "you this is a hard one argument. Uh I"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:54", "text": "wrote an article recently on the German"}, {"start": "01:16:50", "end": "01:16:57", "text": "idealist uh FWH Hegel called Hegel and"}, {"start": "01:16:54", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "the validity of pop metaphysics. Wallace"}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "D. Wattles was a legitimate interpreter"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "of the metaphysical ideals of Hegel as a"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:09", "text": "philosopher. Ideals that got flipped by"}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "Markx into materialism. We sometimes use"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "the term dialectical materialism. Hegel"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:16", "text": "had nothing material about him. He"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "believed that the driving engine of life"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:21", "text": "was the metaphysical. Wallace D. Wattles"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:24", "text": "took this argument along with the"}, {"start": "01:17:21", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "notions, concepts, theories of other"}, {"start": "01:17:24", "end": "01:17:29", "text": "idealist philosophers, and he rendered"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:32", "text": "it into a slender program in his book,"}, {"start": "01:17:29", "end": "01:17:34", "text": "The Science of Getting Rich. Again, kind"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:36", "text": "of a ghost title that lettered people"}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "don't want to be associated with, but a"}, {"start": "01:17:36", "end": "01:17:41", "text": "memorable title. I always tell people"}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "when you're titles are very important."}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:46", "text": "They're critical when you're looking for"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "a title. The early pioneers of self-help"}, {"start": "01:17:46", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "were masters. Think and Grow Rich,"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "Science of Getting Rich, The Game of"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "Life, How to Win Friends and Influence"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:56", "text": "People. You cannot forget these once"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:59", "text": "you've heard them. They're outrageous."}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:18:00", "text": ">> We spend more time on our titles than we"}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:02", "text": "do on our episodes sometimes."}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:04", "text": ">> And well, you should. Well, you should."}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "Books are made or broken by titles. And"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "I always tell people, be audacious, but"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "live up to it. Live up to it. Make a"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:14", "text": "bold promise. and then deliver on the"}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "bold promise. Or use something really"}, {"start": "01:18:14", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "basic. If you want to call a book the"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:21", "text": "tarot, okay, that's sufficient. If you"}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:22", "text": "want to call a book Lincoln, that's"}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "sufficient. But if you don't have"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:26", "text": "something that's instantly recognizable,"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:28", "text": "you're going to have to make a bold"}, {"start": "01:18:26", "end": "01:18:30", "text": "promise, especially to readers who are"}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:32", "text": "just being pulled in all different"}, {"start": "01:18:30", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "directions at once. So Waddles writes"}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:38", "text": "this book, The Science of Getting Wedge"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "Rich, which seems very unsocialistic in"}, {"start": "01:18:38", "end": "01:18:43", "text": "its framing, but he had a point of view"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "that was totally original and and and"}, {"start": "01:18:43", "end": "01:18:50", "text": "valid and I think"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:53", "text": "really sincere in its Hegel's"}, {"start": "01:18:50", "end": "01:18:56", "text": "metaphysics. My article Hegel and the"}, {"start": "01:18:53", "end": "01:18:58", "text": "validity of pop metaphysics very hard"}, {"start": "01:18:56", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "one piece came through very deep reading"}, {"start": "01:18:58", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "of Hegel. It's available for free on"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:04", "text": "Substack. I'm proud of it and I'm proud"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:06", "text": "of Wallace D. Waddles. I was probably"}, {"start": "01:19:04", "end": "01:19:08", "text": "comparing Hill to Waddles and that's"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "what engendered that remark."}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:14", "text": ">> Do would would Waddles work now? Would"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "his philosophy work now and like in our"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:18", "text": "society?"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:22", "text": ">> I believe so. You do? I do. I do. Uh, I"}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "can't speak to the idealistic ultimacy"}, {"start": "01:19:22", "end": "01:19:26", "text": "of everything that Waddles said, but I"}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:30", "text": "do believe there's an intimate"}, {"start": "01:19:26", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "relationship between thought and event,"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "between psyche and outcome. I describe"}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "psyche as a compact of thought and"}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:42", "text": "emotion. And I do believe"}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "I do believe in a perceptually based"}, {"start": "01:19:42", "end": "01:19:48", "text": "reality. I don't believe that that's the"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "only game in town, so to speak. That's"}, {"start": "01:19:48", "end": "01:19:53", "text": "the only law we live under. That's why I"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "don't have any argument with terms law"}, {"start": "01:19:53", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "of attraction or manifestation, but"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:58", "text": "they're not my terms because they"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:01", "text": "communicate the notion that humanity"}, {"start": "01:19:58", "end": "01:20:03", "text": "lives under one mental super law. And I"}, {"start": "01:20:01", "end": "01:20:06", "text": "dispute that. I challenge that. I cannot"}, {"start": "01:20:03", "end": "01:20:09", "text": "verify that humanity lives under a"}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:12", "text": "complexity of laws and forces. My term"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:15", "text": "is selection because I'm very interested"}, {"start": "01:20:12", "end": "01:20:17", "text": "in the many worlds interpretation of"}, {"start": "01:20:15", "end": "01:20:20", "text": "quantum mechanics, multiverse theory."}, {"start": "01:20:17", "end": "01:20:22", "text": "I'm fascinated with these notions and"}, {"start": "01:20:20", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "it's quite possible. It's quite possible"}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "that our organs of perception which are"}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "no different than organic functions of"}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "measurement may localize experience may"}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "actualize experience in the same way"}, {"start": "01:20:38", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "that measurements do in the particle"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "lab. As above so below if one takes that"}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "principle seriously it bears probing. So"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "if we think about"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:54", "text": "so it's more complicated underneath than"}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:57", "text": "just one. So I'm thinking about Bob"}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:20:59", "text": "Monroe and the gateway process about how"}, {"start": "01:20:57", "end": "01:21:00", "text": "you can sort of bend the universe to"}, {"start": "01:20:59", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "your will"}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:04", "text": ">> through the practice."}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:04", "text": ">> Was he on to something or did he get it"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:06", "text": "wrong?"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:09", "text": ">> Oh, I think Bob Monroe was a genius and"}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "a lovely man. He was a radio executive"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "who came to feel through some research"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:19", "text": "and through some independent scholarship"}, {"start": "01:21:14", "end": "01:21:22", "text": "that our psychology responds to sound"}, {"start": "01:21:19", "end": "01:21:26", "text": "and that sound waves and frequencies not"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:28", "text": "only could impact mood but could induce"}, {"start": "01:21:26", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "transpersonal experience or what some"}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:33", "text": "people call outofbody experience or"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:37", "text": "which if you like you can call higher"}, {"start": "01:21:33", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "forms of uh intuition, insight, acumen."}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "About a year ago, my wife Jacqueline and"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "I spent a week at the Monroe Institute"}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:49", "text": "in in in Faber, Virginia outside of"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:52", "text": "Charlottesville. And it was a wonderful"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:55", "text": "week where you experiment with the"}, {"start": "01:21:52", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "different stages of expanded psychology"}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:22:00", "text": "that Bob Monroe felt could result from"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "the application of specific frequencies"}, {"start": "01:22:00", "end": "01:22:02", "text": "and sound waves."}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:05", "text": ">> So, you're doing hemisync all week?"}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:07", "text": ">> Yes. And it was extraordinary. you and"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "and the thing I love about the Monroe"}, {"start": "01:22:07", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "Institute program is they really respect"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "your privacy. I think new age centers"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:18", "text": "are just too suffused with false"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "intimacy sharing and counter style"}, {"start": "01:22:18", "end": "01:22:23", "text": "sessions and I don't like any of that"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:26", "text": "stuff. I believe very firmly in the"}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "respect for the individual's privacy."}, {"start": "01:22:26", "end": "01:22:28", "text": ">> The Monroe Institute I think is very"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:31", "text": "practical and professional."}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:34", "text": ">> Enormously so. Enormously so. So we were"}, {"start": "01:22:31", "end": "01:22:36", "text": "there as part of a group but you go into"}, {"start": "01:22:34", "end": "01:22:38", "text": "private chambers to do your exercises"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:40", "text": "then you come back as a group and you"}, {"start": "01:22:38", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "can exchange as you like or remain"}, {"start": "01:22:40", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "silent as you like. I did not have an"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:46", "text": "out-of- body experience. Some people"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:50", "text": "report these things. That was not my"}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "experience. But I did have the most"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:56", "text": "extraordinary"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:23:00", "text": "intuitive experiences, expanded senses"}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "of consciousness, awareness, judgment,"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:04", "text": "and I would say it was one of the"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "happiest weeks of my life. It was"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:07", "text": "extraordinary. I recommend it to"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "anybody."}, {"start": "01:23:07", "end": "01:23:13", "text": ">> Well, your your motto for a while was"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:14", "text": "try and then"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:16", "text": "changed it a little, didn't it?"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:17", "text": ">> Did I? Well, didn't something tell you"}, {"start": "01:23:16", "end": "01:23:18", "text": "to oh"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:19", "text": ">> do less?"}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:22", "text": ">> Yes, you're very right. You're very"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "right. My motto is try and it'll always"}, {"start": "01:23:22", "end": "01:23:28", "text": "be in my bones. But we were, as you"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:30", "text": "rightly hit on, at the Monroe Institute"}, {"start": "01:23:28", "end": "01:23:33", "text": "as the ultimate exercise,"}, {"start": "01:23:30", "end": "01:23:36", "text": "we were invited using this sound"}, {"start": "01:23:33", "end": "01:23:39", "text": "technology to go into what might be"}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:41", "text": "called a transpersonal state and ask"}, {"start": "01:23:39", "end": "01:23:45", "text": "five questions in order of descending"}, {"start": "01:23:41", "end": "01:23:48", "text": "importance. And"}, {"start": "01:23:45", "end": "01:23:51", "text": "I asked for direction about what to do"}, {"start": "01:23:48", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "with my life, my work, my career. And"}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:56", "text": "the number one response I got back was,"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:56", "text": "\"Do less.\""}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:24:01", "text": ">> Amazing."}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:24:03", "text": ">> Do less. And it was jarring for me"}, {"start": "01:24:01", "end": "01:24:07", "text": "because"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "my modus operandi is activity. Activity."}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:11", "text": ">> Book a year."}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. podcasts, TV,"}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:14", "text": ">> you're always going, man."}, {"start": "01:24:12", "end": "01:24:17", "text": ">> I'm always going. I'm always going,"}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:19", "text": ">> which is not not ideal."}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:21", "text": ">> Yeah. I had a health episode uh earlier"}, {"start": "01:24:19", "end": "01:24:23", "text": "this year where I was hospitalized"}, {"start": "01:24:21", "end": "01:24:25", "text": "because my hemoglobin tanked and we're"}, {"start": "01:24:23", "end": "01:24:28", "text": "still trying to figure out what happened"}, {"start": "01:24:25", "end": "01:24:31", "text": "and why, but it was scary as hell. And"}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "uh when you get a message of wisdom and"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "you don't listen, you can do whatever"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "you want, but that message will take it"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "out of your skin. and it got taken out"}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:44", "text": "of my skin and I'm fine now and I'm"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "doing much much better. But do less was"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:49", "text": "a dictim that I really had to abide and"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:51", "text": "I was listening intellectually and I"}, {"start": "01:24:49", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "wasn't listening emotionally."}, {"start": "01:24:51", "end": "01:24:56", "text": "This is again why I believe in very"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:59", "text": "simple ideas because profoundity only"}, {"start": "01:24:56", "end": "01:25:04", "text": "appears in application. Now am I doing"}, {"start": "01:24:59", "end": "01:25:06", "text": "less? I think I am trying to"}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "dedicate myself to things that will make"}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "a great deal of difference if they"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:15", "text": "succeed. I'm not running around as"}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:16", "text": "harried as I was. This is probably the"}, {"start": "01:25:15", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "longest stretch of time I've gone"}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "without fully throwing myself into a new"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:23", "text": "book, although I've got one coming. And"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "um traveling"}, {"start": "01:25:23", "end": "01:25:25", "text": ">> yoga of"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:27", "text": ">> the yoga of money."}, {"start": "01:25:25", "end": "01:25:31", "text": ">> Yoga of money. That's right."}, {"start": "01:25:27", "end": "01:25:35", "text": ">> Yeah. I have to get back to that. And"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:38", "text": "u but I I the travel and you know"}, {"start": "01:25:35", "end": "01:25:40", "text": "engaging in exchanges like this these"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:42", "text": "things are renewing for me. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:44", "text": "sitting down pounding away at the"}, {"start": "01:25:42", "end": "01:25:47", "text": "keyboard or prepping for a shoot."}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:49", "text": "They're more natural for me. And so I've"}, {"start": "01:25:47", "end": "01:25:52", "text": "started to abide do less. Although I'll"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:54", "text": "always hang on to try as my as my motto"}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:25:57", "text": "because it it it not only pertains to"}, {"start": "01:25:54", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "work but it it pertains to spiritual"}, {"start": "01:25:57", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "experiment. I think those can live"}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:01", "text": "together, can't they?"}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, for sure."}, {"start": "01:26:01", "end": "01:26:04", "text": ">> Is that what made you promise to talk"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:07", "text": "10% less?"}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:10", "text": ">> Uh, well, talking 10% less is something"}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "that will benefit everybody's life."}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:15", "text": ">> Cuz most of the time, most of what we"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "say is just the chirping of cicas. It's"}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:21", "text": "so unnecessary."}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:24", "text": "I think that if people want an immediate"}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:27", "text": "technique for improving self-image,"}, {"start": "01:26:24", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "silence. Just say less. Don't"}, {"start": "01:26:27", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "overcompensate. Don't walk into a room"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:35", "text": "and immediately start trying to"}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "influence things. Listen more carefully"}, {"start": "01:26:35", "end": "01:26:40", "text": "to what's going on. Don't throw yourself"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:42", "text": "into relationships too quickly or invite"}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:44", "text": "someone or something in too quickly."}, {"start": "01:26:42", "end": "01:26:47", "text": "There is almost nothing in a person's"}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:52", "text": "life that won't be improved"}, {"start": "01:26:47", "end": "01:26:52", "text": "by talking at least 10% less."}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:26:59", "text": "When you came back from Monroe, I think"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:01", "text": "you went on Duncan's show and"}, {"start": "01:26:59", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "there were things that you didn't that"}, {"start": "01:27:01", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "were so intimate that you would didn't"}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "want to talk about them. Have you ever"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "shared those?"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:07", "text": ">> Well, do less was one of the things I"}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:08", "text": "want to talk about. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:12", "text": ">> You didn't tell Duncan."}, {"start": "01:27:08", "end": "01:27:14", "text": ">> No, I I didn't want to go into the"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:17", "text": "specific messages that I had gotten"}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:19", "text": "because they felt too raw, too fresh"}, {"start": "01:27:17", "end": "01:27:22", "text": ">> and um I needed to sit with it for a"}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:24", "text": "while. I do disclose things. I encourage"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "people, it's ironic because I encourage"}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:28", "text": "people not to disclose things. If you"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:30", "text": "put something out there, if you put a"}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:34", "text": "wish out there, someone will destroy it."}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "Someone will take it from you. I with"}, {"start": "01:27:34", "end": "01:27:40", "text": "certain boundaries tend to be very"}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:43", "text": "disclosing because"}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:45", "text": "I want to be transparent. We have a"}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "crisis of transparency among spiritual"}, {"start": "01:27:45", "end": "01:27:49", "text": "communicators. spiritual communicators."}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "And I know this from 27 years in"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "publishing, having worked with a lot of"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:56", "text": "the household names,"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:59", "text": "they're as weak as I am, and they're not"}, {"start": "01:27:56", "end": "01:28:01", "text": "the same people who appear when the"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:03", "text": "camera's on or when the microphone's on"}, {"start": "01:28:01", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "or when the audience is assembled. And"}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:10", "text": "they ought to be because"}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:13", "text": "to hide for the sake of theater is to"}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "misinform people that someone lives on a"}, {"start": "01:28:13", "end": "01:28:20", "text": "higher level or a higher echelon. And"}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:22", "text": "that's not true. And"}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "and it's more than just a problem of"}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:26", "text": "misleading the audience member. That's"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:29", "text": "problematic by itself, but there's a"}, {"start": "01:28:26", "end": "01:28:33", "text": "greater problem. And the greater problem"}, {"start": "01:28:29", "end": "01:28:37", "text": "is it conceals the"}, {"start": "01:28:33", "end": "01:28:39", "text": "severity of the odds that face all of us"}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:42", "text": "in matters of self-development. I am not"}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:45", "text": "hopeful about humanity. I am not a lover"}, {"start": "01:28:42", "end": "01:28:48", "text": "of humanity. I am a lover of individual"}, {"start": "01:28:45", "end": "01:28:48", "text": "people very few in number."}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:54", "text": ">> Because I think humanity is in"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "horrendous condition. And when I say"}, {"start": "01:28:54", "end": "01:28:57", "text": "prepare for the day when your best"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "friend betrays you, I mean that. And"}, {"start": "01:28:57", "end": "01:29:02", "text": "that's painful. And I don't like stating"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:03", "text": "such a thing to people."}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:04", "text": ">> If you live long enough, these rules"}, {"start": "01:29:03", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "come true."}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:09", "text": ">> They come true."}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:12", "text": ">> And my wish, my deepest wish is for the"}, {"start": "01:29:09", "end": "01:29:15", "text": "happiness of the reader. But you can't"}, {"start": "01:29:12", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "have happiness. You can't have ideals"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:20", "text": "without being very direct with people."}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:22", "text": "and spiritual communicators"}, {"start": "01:29:20", "end": "01:29:25", "text": "must be if they're really going to be"}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:28", "text": "serving the human exchange more direct"}, {"start": "01:29:25", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "about their own frailties. So I try to"}, {"start": "01:29:28", "end": "01:29:32", "text": "be transparent"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "in your book and and in a lot of your"}, {"start": "01:29:32", "end": "01:29:37", "text": "work I see a fascination with with"}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:40", "text": "people who have these manufactured"}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:41", "text": "personas whether it's FDR Teddy"}, {"start": "01:29:40", "end": "01:29:42", "text": "Roosevelt."}, {"start": "01:29:41", "end": "01:29:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:29:42", "end": "01:29:46", "text": ">> You're the leather jacket tattooed"}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:48", "text": "self-help guy. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:29:46", "end": "01:29:52", "text": ">> Is this a persona? Is how much of Mitch"}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:54", "text": "Horowitz is the leather jacket guy?"}, {"start": "01:29:52", "end": "01:29:56", "text": ">> Are you exempt from it?"}, {"start": "01:29:54", "end": "01:29:59", "text": ">> I'm not exempt from anything. I tell"}, {"start": "01:29:56", "end": "01:30:02", "text": "people that if you decide how you want"}, {"start": "01:29:59", "end": "01:30:05", "text": "to be in the world and you pursue that"}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:08", "text": "in terms of environment, selfhood,"}, {"start": "01:30:05", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "that's not wearing a mask. That's"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:14", "text": "dropping a mask. The mask is conformity."}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "I realized at a certain point I had left"}, {"start": "01:30:14", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "a part of my existence behind. I had"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:22", "text": "left behind seeing Black Flag when I was"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:24", "text": "17 years old. I had left behind"}, {"start": "01:30:22", "end": "01:30:27", "text": "what thrilled me when I was a kid. I"}, {"start": "01:30:24", "end": "01:30:30", "text": "left behind hearing the dead Kennedy"}, {"start": "01:30:27", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "sing Holiday in Cambodia at age 15 and"}, {"start": "01:30:30", "end": "01:30:36", "text": "knowing what truth was. And so I began"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:39", "text": "to reclaim that. And if that chafed with"}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:41", "text": "new age culture, I don't really care."}, {"start": "01:30:39", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "And if I'm invited to a new age center"}, {"start": "01:30:41", "end": "01:30:45", "text": "where everybody wears white and I'm"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:48", "text": "walking around like this, which is just"}, {"start": "01:30:45", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "Monday for me, I don't really care. It's"}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:54", "text": "it's who I am. Um, I got a letter once."}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:56", "text": "[laughter] I still like get goosebumps"}, {"start": "01:30:54", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "thinking about it from Peter Chris, the"}, {"start": "01:30:56", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "first drummer in Kiss."}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:30:59", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:01", "text": ">> Because I had written about something"}, {"start": "01:30:59", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "Peter said in one of my books."}, {"start": "01:31:01", "end": "01:31:06", "text": ">> He made a fascinating observation. Peter"}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "said that the bandmates were, you know,"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:10", "text": "they were looking around for a sense of"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:13", "text": "identity when they were young in the"}, {"start": "01:31:10", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "early '7s. And when they when they came"}, {"start": "01:31:13", "end": "01:31:18", "text": "up with the makeup, he said it was the"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:20", "text": "most incredible thing because it wasn't"}, {"start": "01:31:18", "end": "01:31:22", "text": "like we were hiding. It was like we were"}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "revealing ourselves. And he said that"}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:28", "text": "Jean Simmons had confided to him one day"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "that putting on that demon makeup was"}, {"start": "01:31:28", "end": "01:31:34", "text": "for him so self-revealing that if he"}, {"start": "01:31:31", "end": "01:31:35", "text": "could, he would never take it off. And"}, {"start": "01:31:34", "end": "01:31:38", "text": "he said that he noticed that when Jean"}, {"start": "01:31:35", "end": "01:31:40", "text": "put on his makeup, the roadies and even"}, {"start": "01:31:38", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "audience members and everybody would"}, {"start": "01:31:40", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "sort of step around him a little bit."}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:46", "text": "And he said, you know, we became"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:49", "text": "ourselves. We became comfortable. We"}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:51", "text": "became relaxed. We became familiar with"}, {"start": "01:31:49", "end": "01:31:54", "text": "ourselves for the first time. We weren't"}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:56", "text": "hiding. We were revealing ourselves. And"}, {"start": "01:31:54", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "so I wrote about this in a book and then"}, {"start": "01:31:56", "end": "01:32:01", "text": "I heard from Peter and I got hysterical"}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "with joy. And I take that as truth. And"}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:07", "text": "I want to suggest to people I want to"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:10", "text": "suggest to people whatever walk of life"}, {"start": "01:32:07", "end": "01:32:13", "text": "you're in, are you really dressing,"}, {"start": "01:32:10", "end": "01:32:17", "text": "acting, comporting yourself the way you"}, {"start": "01:32:13", "end": "01:32:19", "text": "want? And I'm not saying you should act"}, {"start": "01:32:17", "end": "01:32:22", "text": "on it immediately, but know your"}, {"start": "01:32:19", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "preferences. Know your preferences. Get"}, {"start": "01:32:22", "end": "01:32:26", "text": "up in the goddamn morning and ask"}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:27", "text": "yourself, is this what I want to wear?"}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:29", "text": "Is this who I want to be? Is this how I"}, {"start": "01:32:27", "end": "01:32:31", "text": "want to sound? Is this how I want my"}, {"start": "01:32:29", "end": "01:32:34", "text": "hair to look? Or whatever it is. Just"}, {"start": "01:32:31", "end": "01:32:37", "text": "know, you know, we never even ask"}, {"start": "01:32:34", "end": "01:32:39", "text": "ourselves. We're so sused with with peer"}, {"start": "01:32:37", "end": "01:32:41", "text": "pressure and with cultural conformity"}, {"start": "01:32:39", "end": "01:32:44", "text": "and it gets its claws inside of us to"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:46", "text": "the point where we can't even talk to"}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:50", "text": "ourselves using authentic phrasing that"}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:52", "text": "belongs to us the individual. So know"}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:55", "text": "your preferences. Start there. It's not"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "hiding. It's it's revealing."}, {"start": "01:32:55", "end": "01:33:00", "text": ">> That's perfect."}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:03", "text": "Uh I got to spend two days with Jean on"}, {"start": "01:33:00", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "a job and boy I just ate it up. I just"}, {"start": "01:33:03", "end": "01:33:08", "text": "picked his brain every minute of of"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:08", "text": "those. He was amazing. He was He was"}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:11", "text": "great to me."}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:13", "text": ">> I love Kiss and I am forever a"}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:13", "text": "15year-old boy and proudly so."}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:15", "text": ">> Of course,"}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:18", "text": ">> we saw Kiss at Barkley Center in"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:19", "text": "Brooklyn and oh my god,"}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:21", "text": ">> I think doesn't Ace show up in your work"}, {"start": "01:33:19", "end": "01:33:24", "text": "here and there as well?"}, {"start": "01:33:21", "end": "01:33:25", "text": ">> I love Ace. I love"}, {"start": "01:33:24", "end": "01:33:27", "text": "every one of them."}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:29", "text": ">> Just when they took off the makeup, it"}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:29", "text": "was it was jarring to remember remember"}, {"start": "01:33:29", "end": "01:33:31", "text": "that first the album."}, {"start": "01:33:29", "end": "01:33:36", "text": ">> It was a traumatic experience. It was it"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:38", "text": "was it I'm still not used to it. Um, so"}, {"start": "01:33:36", "end": "01:33:40", "text": "the book is aimed at the false self and"}, {"start": "01:33:38", "end": "01:33:42", "text": "we've kind of we talked around it a"}, {"start": "01:33:40", "end": "01:33:45", "text": "little bit today. When was the last time"}, {"start": "01:33:42", "end": "01:33:47", "text": "you caught your false self kind of"}, {"start": "01:33:45", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "running your personality? when I talk"}, {"start": "01:33:47", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "about things like service or when I"}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "start finding myself using language"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "internally that belongs to the external"}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:34:01", "text": "spiritual culture. That's why I'm very"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:05", "text": "careful with words like love or peace or"}, {"start": "01:34:01", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "service. I don't want to see anybody"}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:10", "text": "using"}, {"start": "01:34:07", "end": "01:34:12", "text": "terms that come out of the Bartlett's"}, {"start": "01:34:10", "end": "01:34:15", "text": "book of divine quotations or that sound"}, {"start": "01:34:12", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "like they belong to a a business plan"}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:23", "text": "from Silicon Valley 25 years ago. I want"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "to know what I and what the individual"}, {"start": "01:34:23", "end": "01:34:27", "text": "wants."}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:28", "text": "Let's start there. Let's start there."}, {"start": "01:34:27", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "doesn't mean you can act on it"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:33", "text": "immediately, but I write a lot in the"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "book about knowing your wish. And it"}, {"start": "01:34:33", "end": "01:34:37", "text": "sounds so self-evident and that's"}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:39", "text": "exactly where to start digging when"}, {"start": "01:34:37", "end": "01:34:42", "text": "something sounds self-evident because I"}, {"start": "01:34:39", "end": "01:34:46", "text": "challenge the reader that he or she"}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:48", "text": "doesn't know their wishes because we"}, {"start": "01:34:46", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "internalize peer pressure, including"}, {"start": "01:34:48", "end": "01:34:53", "text": "that of our subcultures, and we start to"}, {"start": "01:34:50", "end": "01:34:54", "text": "talk about service, make the world a"}, {"start": "01:34:53", "end": "01:34:57", "text": "better place, love humanity, and so on"}, {"start": "01:34:54", "end": "01:34:59", "text": "and so forth. I'm interested in conduct."}, {"start": "01:34:57", "end": "01:35:01", "text": "I'm not interested in pretty"}, {"start": "01:34:59", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "phrasiology. And I've had"}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:05", "text": ">> I want to be rich so I can start a"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:07", "text": "charity. I want to be famous so I can"}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:08", "text": "influence."}, {"start": "01:35:07", "end": "01:35:11", "text": "That's dishonest,"}, {"start": "01:35:08", "end": "01:35:12", "text": ">> right? It's dishonest unless one really"}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:14", "text": "means it. And if you really mean it,"}, {"start": "01:35:12", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "well then bravo, be my guest. But"}, {"start": "01:35:14", "end": "01:35:17", "text": ">> so if you want to be rich, just say it."}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:19", "text": ">> You know that you do. Say it. And for"}, {"start": "01:35:17", "end": "01:35:21", "text": "God's sake, money does a lot of good"}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:23", "text": "things. It educates children. It takes"}, {"start": "01:35:21", "end": "01:35:25", "text": "your family members on trips. It"}, {"start": "01:35:23", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "replaces the roof in a house. It's it's"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "necessary. So, let's start from stark"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:32", "text": "honesty. A wish, if it's authentic,"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:35", "text": "should feel a little embarrassing"}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "because we are so induced by our"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "subcultures to use a language that is"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:42", "text": "not our own. We were talking about this"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:44", "text": "earlier with the idea of quoting from"}, {"start": "01:35:42", "end": "01:35:47", "text": "translations of translations of"}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:49", "text": "translations of wisdom literature that"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:51", "text": "we can't even access in the originals."}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:53", "text": "The originals may not exist. We call it"}, {"start": "01:35:51", "end": "01:35:57", "text": "tradition. It's custom. It's not always"}, {"start": "01:35:53", "end": "01:35:59", "text": "custom. Often it's habit. Let's give"}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "ourselves a break. Give ourselves a"}, {"start": "01:35:59", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "break in private. Dispense with habit."}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:08", "text": "Dispense with custom. And in an"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:10", "text": "atmosphere of exquisite privacy within"}, {"start": "01:36:08", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "your own psyche, the only domain of"}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "privacy left in our interconnected"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:18", "text": "culture."}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:20", "text": "Speak to yourself for real about what"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "you want. I'm not saying you're going to"}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:24", "text": "act on it immediately. I'm not saying"}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:26", "text": "you're even going to like it, but at"}, {"start": "01:36:24", "end": "01:36:29", "text": "least know. Don't be a stranger to"}, {"start": "01:36:26", "end": "01:36:32", "text": "yourself because I think past a certain"}, {"start": "01:36:29", "end": "01:36:36", "text": "age, maybe age nine, a kid is so"}, {"start": "01:36:32", "end": "01:36:39", "text": "suffused with peer pressure that the"}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:41", "text": "outer world and its subcultures just get"}, {"start": "01:36:39", "end": "01:36:43", "text": "their claws in us and we can't even talk"}, {"start": "01:36:41", "end": "01:36:46", "text": "to ourselves in a real way anymore"}, {"start": "01:36:43", "end": "01:36:49", "text": "within. I also counsel deep privacy"}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:51", "text": "because if you arrive at your wish and"}, {"start": "01:36:49", "end": "01:36:53", "text": "it's something I hope a person does and"}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:54", "text": "you share it with someone else, they"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:54", "text": "will destroy it."}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:36:56", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:36:59", "text": ">> they will because it's not what's inside"}, {"start": "01:36:56", "end": "01:37:02", "text": "them. And we as a human community just"}, {"start": "01:36:59", "end": "01:37:04", "text": "love making rules and we love slamming"}, {"start": "01:37:02", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "doors on one another's fingers. And I"}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:08", "text": "can't tell you the number of times the"}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:11", "text": "people who have spoken to me of service"}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:13", "text": "and love and I'm your best friend, I've"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:16", "text": "still got the shivs in my back from"}, {"start": "01:37:13", "end": "01:37:19", "text": "those times. So let's let the pretty"}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "language go for a minute. Let's let the"}, {"start": "01:37:19", "end": "01:37:23", "text": "pretty quotations and the customary"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:26", "text": "ideas that divines all over the internet"}, {"start": "01:37:23", "end": "01:37:28", "text": "can repeat. Let's let that go for a"}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:30", "text": "minute. Forget the comments section."}, {"start": "01:37:28", "end": "01:37:32", "text": "This is about the individual. What does"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:35", "text": "the individual want within his or her"}, {"start": "01:37:32", "end": "01:37:36", "text": "psyche? Well, could we just quickly go"}, {"start": "01:37:35", "end": "01:37:39", "text": "through the the nine steps because"}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:41", "text": "people need to know that your book is"}, {"start": "01:37:39", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "it's a practical guide."}, {"start": "01:37:41", "end": "01:37:47", "text": ">> We've got the nine steps is the wish."}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:48", "text": ">> Ask what you truly want. Um ends not the"}, {"start": "01:37:47", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "means."}, {"start": "01:37:48", "end": "01:37:51", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:54", "text": ">> that's interest. That's interesting to"}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:56", "text": "me because you're not focusing on I"}, {"start": "01:37:54", "end": "01:37:58", "text": "forget what you even used in the book,"}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:00", "text": "but it was if you're picturing yourself"}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:01", "text": "playing"}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:01", "text": "in an arena."}, {"start": "01:38:01", "end": "01:38:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:38:01", "end": "01:38:06", "text": ">> Yeah. You don't picture the guitar"}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:08", "text": "lessons, you focus on the arena."}, {"start": "01:38:06", "end": "01:38:10", "text": ">> And and and in conjunction with that, I"}, {"start": "01:38:08", "end": "01:38:13", "text": "would say that we can't choose the"}, {"start": "01:38:10", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "conditions by which something reaches"}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "us. And we have to be flexible about"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "those conditions. I did not plan on"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:22", "text": "getting fired and hired by a new age"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:23", "text": "publisher. That wasn't in the business"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:27", "text": "plan, but that's what allowed me to"}, {"start": "01:38:23", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "rediscover myself as a writer. And that"}, {"start": "01:38:27", "end": "01:38:33", "text": "feeds into what I was saying about"}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:37", "text": "parables and myths in which"}, {"start": "01:38:33", "end": "01:38:40", "text": "God's spiritual messengers, genies come"}, {"start": "01:38:37", "end": "01:38:43", "text": "to you as a disguised stranger, an"}, {"start": "01:38:40", "end": "01:38:45", "text": "unbidden stranger. Let those strangers"}, {"start": "01:38:43", "end": "01:38:48", "text": "in. We throw away incredible miracles,"}, {"start": "01:38:45", "end": "01:38:51", "text": "incredible gifts because they don't fit"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:53", "text": "our mind's eye picture of what we think"}, {"start": "01:38:51", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "we want. The philosopher Jacob Needleman"}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "was a mentor to me and he once said to"}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:39:01", "text": "me, \"What do you do when someone offers"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:03", "text": "you a gift?\" And brilliant student I"}, {"start": "01:39:01", "end": "01:39:07", "text": "was, I stared at him blankly and he"}, {"start": "01:39:03", "end": "01:39:09", "text": "said, \"You accept it. You accept it.\""}, {"start": "01:39:07", "end": "01:39:10", "text": "And we throw away extraordinary gifts"}, {"start": "01:39:09", "end": "01:39:12", "text": "all the time"}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:16", "text": ">> because they don't fit our mind's eye"}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "image. So flexibility,"}, {"start": "01:39:16", "end": "01:39:21", "text": ">> that was that was one was very striking"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "to me. Um, speak it, hold the wish, say"}, {"start": "01:39:21", "end": "01:39:23", "text": "it out loud to yourself."}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:24", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:39:23", "end": "01:39:25", "text": ">> Um, the talisman."}, {"start": "01:39:24", "end": "01:39:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:39:25", "end": "01:39:28", "text": ">> So, write it down, protect it."}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:30", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:31", "text": ">> And hide it."}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:34", "text": ">> Write the wish down. Write a"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:37", "text": "wellfocused, passionately felt, and"}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:41", "text": "exquisitely honest wish down"}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:43", "text": ">> on a little card or something. Put it in"}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "the old clear packing tape. I'm a big"}, {"start": "01:39:43", "end": "01:39:46", "text": "fan of clear packing tape."}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:51", "text": ">> Treat that wish. Carry that wish with"}, {"start": "01:39:48", "end": "01:39:54", "text": "you like you were carrying a candle in a"}, {"start": "01:39:51", "end": "01:39:56", "text": "rainstorm. Make it real. Make it real."}, {"start": "01:39:54", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "And dig this. It may seem like, \"Oh, for"}, {"start": "01:39:56", "end": "01:40:02", "text": "God's sake, Haro is with his fucking"}, {"start": "01:39:58", "end": "01:40:04", "text": "index cards.\" But trust me on this. Once"}, {"start": "01:40:02", "end": "01:40:06", "text": "you've taken that step, you've created"}, {"start": "01:40:04", "end": "01:40:10", "text": "something that wasn't there before in"}, {"start": "01:40:06", "end": "01:40:13", "text": "nency in particle form. But the honest"}, {"start": "01:40:10", "end": "01:40:16", "text": "rendering of that wish privately on that"}, {"start": "01:40:13", "end": "01:40:18", "text": "little card creates something in"}, {"start": "01:40:16", "end": "01:40:20", "text": "particulate form that wasn't there"}, {"start": "01:40:18", "end": "01:40:22", "text": "before. I value that. That's the whole"}, {"start": "01:40:20", "end": "01:40:23", "text": "basis of chaos theory and chaos magic."}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:26", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:40:23", "end": "01:40:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:29", "text": ">> Step five is rehearse it. Run it through"}, {"start": "01:40:28", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "your mind."}, {"start": "01:40:29", "end": "01:40:31", "text": ">> Petition. Live with it."}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:40:31", "end": "01:40:35", "text": ">> Pray for it. Petition whatever greater"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:38", "text": "force you seek. if none appeal to the"}, {"start": "01:40:35", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "infinite matter of chaos. Hypnogogia"}, {"start": "01:40:38", "end": "01:40:42", "text": "hypnogogic state that's interesting as"}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "well because once again we're in"}, {"start": "01:40:42", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "practical application."}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:46", "text": ">> So for those who don't know what is the"}, {"start": "01:40:45", "end": "01:40:49", "text": "hypnogogic state?"}, {"start": "01:40:46", "end": "01:40:52", "text": ">> Hypnogia is a deeply relaxed state that"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:54", "text": "we all enter twice a day just as we're"}, {"start": "01:40:52", "end": "01:40:58", "text": "falling to sleep at night and just as"}, {"start": "01:40:54", "end": "01:41:00", "text": "we're coming to in the morning. This is"}, {"start": "01:40:58", "end": "01:41:03", "text": "a state that was first described"}, {"start": "01:41:00", "end": "01:41:06", "text": "although not in that term by a French"}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:08", "text": "mind theorist Emil Kuay who was very"}, {"start": "01:41:06", "end": "01:41:12", "text": "popular in the early 20th century. He's"}, {"start": "01:41:08", "end": "01:41:15", "text": "a hero to me. Kuay is famous for having"}, {"start": "01:41:12", "end": "01:41:17", "text": "prescribed a mantra day by day in every"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:19", "text": "way I am getting better and better. And"}, {"start": "01:41:17", "end": "01:41:22", "text": "critics would howl and make fun of him"}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:24", "text": "and say how could anything so childish"}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:27", "text": "make any difference in anybody's life?"}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:29", "text": "But what they missed was how Kuay"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:31", "text": "prescribed using it in this state of"}, {"start": "01:41:29", "end": "01:41:34", "text": "hypnogogia. A term that didn't come into"}, {"start": "01:41:31", "end": "01:41:39", "text": "use until several generations later in"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:42", "text": "the 1980s. Kuay died in 1926."}, {"start": "01:41:39", "end": "01:41:44", "text": "Hypnoggia is this exquisitely relaxed"}, {"start": "01:41:42", "end": "01:41:46", "text": "state that you enter again just as"}, {"start": "01:41:44", "end": "01:41:50", "text": "falling to sleep, just as coming to."}, {"start": "01:41:46", "end": "01:41:54", "text": "It's a state of bodily heaviliness. He"}, {"start": "01:41:50", "end": "01:41:56", "text": "heaviness almost bodily paralysis."}, {"start": "01:41:54", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "You may experience waking dreams. You"}, {"start": "01:41:56", "end": "01:42:02", "text": "may experience hallucinations."}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:06", "text": "Your rational defenses are lowered. But"}, {"start": "01:42:02", "end": "01:42:09", "text": "you still have active cognition. Use"}, {"start": "01:42:06", "end": "01:42:12", "text": "that time. Use that time to say a"}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:14", "text": "prayer, make a visualization,"}, {"start": "01:42:12", "end": "01:42:16", "text": "make an affirmation. Ku called this"}, {"start": "01:42:14", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "conscious auto suggestion. It's a kind"}, {"start": "01:42:16", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "of self-hypnosis. Now, he was very"}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:23", "text": "adamant about not being a spiritual"}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:26", "text": "figure. He was trying to separate"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:27", "text": "hypnosis as a therapeutic art from"}, {"start": "01:42:26", "end": "01:42:31", "text": "anything to do with the occult or"}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:31", "text": "esoteric. So, so be it. So be it."}, {"start": "01:42:31", "end": "01:42:33", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "01:42:31", "end": "01:42:35", "text": ">> but in that state, you are very"}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:38", "text": "suggestive. You are very suggestive and"}, {"start": "01:42:35", "end": "01:42:40", "text": "it has proven in the 1970s and 80s in"}, {"start": "01:42:38", "end": "01:42:43", "text": "experiments called the Gansfeld"}, {"start": "01:42:40", "end": "01:42:46", "text": "experiments which are bulletproof to be"}, {"start": "01:42:43", "end": "01:42:48", "text": "prime time for telepathy that if you"}, {"start": "01:42:46", "end": "01:42:51", "text": "induce someone into this state of"}, {"start": "01:42:48", "end": "01:42:55", "text": "relaxation this semi-sleep state uh"}, {"start": "01:42:51", "end": "01:42:59", "text": "statistically incidences of telepathy"}, {"start": "01:42:55", "end": "01:43:02", "text": "spike and this data has been published"}, {"start": "01:42:59", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "pondered over metaanalyzed to the ends"}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:05", "text": "of the earth it's unpolluted And it's"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:08", "text": "bulletproof."}, {"start": "01:43:05", "end": "01:43:10", "text": ">> Even even the best skeptics agreed and"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:11", "text": "we have precious few of them today and"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "you ain't going to find them on"}, {"start": "01:43:11", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "Wikipedia."}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:16", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:19", "text": ">> Um anyway, there is an extra physical"}, {"start": "01:43:16", "end": "01:43:21", "text": "aspect to this state and it's so simple."}, {"start": "01:43:19", "end": "01:43:24", "text": "It's so simple because everybody answers"}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:26", "text": "it twice a day. Use that time to run"}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:29", "text": "your wish through your head. That's a"}, {"start": "01:43:26", "end": "01:43:32", "text": "period of special suggestive power. I"}, {"start": "01:43:29", "end": "01:43:34", "text": "believe a period of unique extra"}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:37", "text": "physical possibility."}, {"start": "01:43:34", "end": "01:43:39", "text": "And a lot of people who suffer from"}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "grief will describe the early morning"}, {"start": "01:43:39", "end": "01:43:43", "text": "hours as the toughest time of day. And"}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "that's because our rational defenses are"}, {"start": "01:43:43", "end": "01:43:47", "text": "down. And things that we're afraid of or"}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:49", "text": "grieving of."}, {"start": "01:43:47", "end": "01:43:51", "text": ">> They grip us when those rational"}, {"start": "01:43:49", "end": "01:43:53", "text": "defenses are down. And then the workday"}, {"start": "01:43:51", "end": "01:43:55", "text": "comes and we realize this wasn't so bad."}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:43:58", "text": "this."}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:44:00", "text": "So, hypnogogia can be a fearsome time,"}, {"start": "01:43:58", "end": "01:44:03", "text": "but it's also a time of great potential"}, {"start": "01:44:00", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "if we use it. So, use it to repeat one's"}, {"start": "01:44:03", "end": "01:44:07", "text": "wish. When those rational defenses are"}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:08", "text": "down, there's the possibility of a real"}, {"start": "01:44:07", "end": "01:44:10", "text": "penetration."}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:10", "text": ">> And step eight is silence."}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:12", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:15", "text": ">> How does that work?"}, {"start": "01:44:12", "end": "01:44:18", "text": ">> The first of all, we talk about things"}, {"start": "01:44:15", "end": "01:44:21", "text": "in order to dilute them. We talk to our"}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:22", "text": "shrinks. We talk to our friends. He"}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "said, she said to dilute them. And"}, {"start": "01:44:22", "end": "01:44:26", "text": "sometimes that's necessary, but you"}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:28", "text": "don't want to bring that quality of"}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:31", "text": "dilution to your wish. Keep your wish"}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:33", "text": "silent. If there is one law that runs"}, {"start": "01:44:31", "end": "01:44:36", "text": "through occultism, it is the power of"}, {"start": "01:44:33", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "silence. There's great wisdom in that."}, {"start": "01:44:36", "end": "01:44:42", "text": "We talk to dissipate. We talk to"}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "disperse. We're silent to concentrate,"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:47", "text": "to focus. You'll see that law repeated"}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:49", "text": "in nature. We can wave air currents with"}, {"start": "01:44:47", "end": "01:44:52", "text": "our hands, but a focused air current can"}, {"start": "01:44:49", "end": "01:44:55", "text": "have the power of a bullet. As above, so"}, {"start": "01:44:52", "end": "01:44:57", "text": "below. Abide that in the psyche."}, {"start": "01:44:55", "end": "01:45:00", "text": ">> Well, let's take a quick break and we'll"}, {"start": "01:44:57", "end": "01:45:01", "text": "come back and talk about how you maybe"}, {"start": "01:45:00", "end": "01:45:02", "text": "have convinced me I'm a left path"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:04", "text": "Satanist."}, {"start": "01:45:02", "end": "01:45:07", "text": ">> All right. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:45:04", "end": "01:45:09", "text": ">> So, I think you use occult esoteric"}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "Satanism as a way to kind of badger"}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:14", "text": "people. [laughter] Is that because you"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:15", "text": "because you you won't disavow. You say,"}, {"start": "01:45:14", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "\"I'm a Satanist and that's that.\" And"}, {"start": "01:45:15", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "you and you kind of leave it there"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:20", "text": "without a definition because when I hear"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:23", "text": "your definition of those words, it's"}, {"start": "01:45:20", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "like I might be a Satanist, too."}, {"start": "01:45:23", "end": "01:45:26", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:28", "text": ">> What I'm trying to do and and I'm trying"}, {"start": "01:45:26", "end": "01:45:31", "text": "to do it as transparently as possible"}, {"start": "01:45:28", "end": "01:45:35", "text": "because I I do write a lot in the book"}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:40", "text": "about the historicism behind this is I"}, {"start": "01:45:35", "end": "01:45:43", "text": "am trying to push back at centuries of"}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:46", "text": "conditioning around our religious models"}, {"start": "01:45:43", "end": "01:45:48", "text": "and ideas. For example, if I use the"}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "word demon, everyone has the same"}, {"start": "01:45:48", "end": "01:45:51", "text": "association with that word. Something"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "evil, scary, terrible that will possess"}, {"start": "01:45:51", "end": "01:45:58", "text": "you. Well, the original Greek demon or"}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:46:00", "text": "Latin don was a neutral term. It just"}, {"start": "01:45:58", "end": "01:46:04", "text": "meant a kind of workerbe spirit, like a"}, {"start": "01:46:00", "end": "01:46:06", "text": "jin or a genie. In Arab culture, we use"}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:08", "text": "the term angel. And we all have the same"}, {"start": "01:46:06", "end": "01:46:10", "text": "association. I may as well be using the"}, {"start": "01:46:08", "end": "01:46:13", "text": "term Snow White. Everybody sees the"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:15", "text": "Disney cartoon even though the myth of"}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:18", "text": "Snow White is centuries older than the"}, {"start": "01:46:15", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "Disney cartoon. So angel is Greek for"}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:24", "text": "messenger and that's benign whereas the"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:27", "text": "other is bad. All I'm trying to do is to"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:31", "text": "take a sledgehammer to this conformity"}, {"start": "01:46:27", "end": "01:46:35", "text": "and conditioning. The early Hebrews had"}, {"start": "01:46:31", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "a concept of haatan or the Satan which"}, {"start": "01:46:35", "end": "01:46:39", "text": "was sometimes translated as the"}, {"start": "01:46:37", "end": "01:46:41", "text": "adversary or the prosecutor or the"}, {"start": "01:46:39", "end": "01:46:44", "text": "disturber. This is the friction of"}, {"start": "01:46:41", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "creativity without which we wouldn't be"}, {"start": "01:46:44", "end": "01:46:48", "text": "ourselves."}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "This is the friction that refineses us"}, {"start": "01:46:48", "end": "01:46:53", "text": "when we suffer. I talked about the"}, {"start": "01:46:51", "end": "01:46:57", "text": "experience of being fired and what that"}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:47:00", "text": "led me to. The mythical although I would"}, {"start": "01:46:57", "end": "01:47:03", "text": "say also veritable force of those"}, {"start": "01:47:00", "end": "01:47:06", "text": "experiences is what the primeval Hebrews"}, {"start": "01:47:03", "end": "01:47:09", "text": "referred to asaton."}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:12", "text": "I am trying to strip the bark off of"}, {"start": "01:47:09", "end": "01:47:16", "text": "these conformities and give people a"}, {"start": "01:47:12", "end": "01:47:20", "text": "vocabulary that is their own that is"}, {"start": "01:47:16", "end": "01:47:23", "text": "free from centuries and centuries of"}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:26", "text": "customary usage. I am trying in"}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:28", "text": "esoterica although as you've rightly"}, {"start": "01:47:26", "end": "01:47:31", "text": "said it's a very practical book it's a"}, {"start": "01:47:28", "end": "01:47:34", "text": "very hands-on book underlying the"}, {"start": "01:47:31", "end": "01:47:38", "text": "techniques and the practicality is my"}, {"start": "01:47:34", "end": "01:47:38", "text": "effort to"}, {"start": "01:47:39", "end": "01:47:44", "text": "strip away"}, {"start": "01:47:41", "end": "01:47:48", "text": "centuries if not millennia of customary"}, {"start": "01:47:44", "end": "01:47:49", "text": "usage and try to recover the threads and"}, {"start": "01:47:48", "end": "01:47:54", "text": "the fragments because that's really all"}, {"start": "01:47:49", "end": "01:47:56", "text": "that we have of our earliest"}, {"start": "01:47:54", "end": "01:48:00", "text": "spiritual practice among our most"}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:48:02", "text": "primeval ancestors even including"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:04", "text": "Neanderthal men and women who did have a"}, {"start": "01:48:02", "end": "01:48:08", "text": "spirituality that would be somewhat"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:11", "text": "recognizable to us today. I want to get"}, {"start": "01:48:08", "end": "01:48:14", "text": "to a sense of this fragmentaryary"}, {"start": "01:48:11", "end": "01:48:18", "text": "realization and what it meant best as we"}, {"start": "01:48:14", "end": "01:48:21", "text": "can tell to the deep ancients before our"}, {"start": "01:48:18", "end": "01:48:22", "text": "conformist acculturation process got"}, {"start": "01:48:21", "end": "01:48:25", "text": "hold of it."}, {"start": "01:48:22", "end": "01:48:27", "text": ">> I people don't know that Neanderthalss"}, {"start": "01:48:25", "end": "01:48:28", "text": "had art and music and extraordinary."}, {"start": "01:48:27", "end": "01:48:30", "text": "It's amazing."}, {"start": "01:48:28", "end": "01:48:33", "text": ">> Neanderthal men and women had statuary"}, {"start": "01:48:30", "end": "01:48:36", "text": "which in the mid-9th century got termed"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:39", "text": "Venus figurines. They're little bulbous"}, {"start": "01:48:36", "end": "01:48:42", "text": "female forms and they are thought to"}, {"start": "01:48:39", "end": "01:48:45", "text": "have been either a mother goddess or a"}, {"start": "01:48:42", "end": "01:48:48", "text": "fertility goddess. They had talismans,"}, {"start": "01:48:45", "end": "01:48:50", "text": "things that we would recognize like"}, {"start": "01:48:48", "end": "01:48:53", "text": "eagle talents or bear claws that were"}, {"start": "01:48:50", "end": "01:48:54", "text": "presumably for help with the hunt. We"}, {"start": "01:48:53", "end": "01:48:57", "text": "would look at these things in the 21st"}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:48:59", "text": "century and we can recognize this"}, {"start": "01:48:57", "end": "01:49:00", "text": "statuary. We can recognize these"}, {"start": "01:48:59", "end": "01:49:03", "text": "talismans. I'm wearing a scarab around"}, {"start": "01:49:00", "end": "01:49:06", "text": "my neck. And it's extraordinary that"}, {"start": "01:49:03", "end": "01:49:08", "text": "these are our closest prehuman"}, {"start": "01:49:06", "end": "01:49:12", "text": "ancestors. A lot like us,"}, {"start": "01:49:08", "end": "01:49:15", "text": ">> but not us. Not us. And it suggests that"}, {"start": "01:49:12", "end": "01:49:19", "text": "spirituality itself, extraphysicality,"}, {"start": "01:49:15", "end": "01:49:24", "text": "is not conditioned. It's it's realized."}, {"start": "01:49:19", "end": "01:49:24", "text": "It goes back to prehuman history."}, {"start": "01:49:24", "end": "01:49:27", "text": ">> I think people will be surprised to know"}, {"start": "01:49:26", "end": "01:49:29", "text": "that you have a great respect for"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "Catholicism and"}, {"start": "01:49:29", "end": "01:49:33", "text": "really most religions you speak very"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:35", "text": "highly of. Didn't you say that"}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:37", "text": "Catholicism was closest to the most"}, {"start": "01:49:35", "end": "01:49:39", "text": "perfect religion or something like that?"}, {"start": "01:49:37", "end": "01:49:41", "text": ">> The universal religion. Yeah. We have to"}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:42", "text": "remember first of all I love Catholicism"}, {"start": "01:49:41", "end": "01:49:44", "text": "and I would never say a word against"}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:46", "text": "Catholicism which always surprises"}, {"start": "01:49:44", "end": "01:49:48", "text": "people because they think Carowitz is so"}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:51", "text": "heterodox and I may be heterodox but I"}, {"start": "01:49:48", "end": "01:49:53", "text": "also have ideals and I I love that"}, {"start": "01:49:51", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "tradition and I feel in some ways that"}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:57", "text": "tradition saved my life."}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:49:58", "text": ">> Um it's not my commitment."}, {"start": "01:49:57", "end": "01:50:01", "text": ">> How did it save your life? I went"}, {"start": "01:49:58", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "through a time of terrible emotional"}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "suffering and I practiced a very steady"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:10", "text": "act of saint veneration to St. Jude and"}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:14", "text": "I feel like there was a real opening in"}, {"start": "01:50:10", "end": "01:50:18", "text": "my life on account of that. Now my"}, {"start": "01:50:14", "end": "01:50:23", "text": "approach is that Catholicism is a kind"}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:26", "text": "of vessel of the universal religion. By"}, {"start": "01:50:23", "end": "01:50:32", "text": "which I mean this was the final"}, {"start": "01:50:26", "end": "01:50:35", "text": "outcropping of a Roman culture of faith"}, {"start": "01:50:32", "end": "01:50:38", "text": "which itself was the final outcropping"}, {"start": "01:50:35", "end": "01:50:41", "text": "of Greco Egyptian religion. The"}, {"start": "01:50:38", "end": "01:50:42", "text": "Egyptian, the Persian, the Mediterranean"}, {"start": "01:50:41", "end": "01:50:46", "text": "faiths,"}, {"start": "01:50:42", "end": "01:50:49", "text": "North African faiths were reconfigured"}, {"start": "01:50:46", "end": "01:50:53", "text": "within Helenic culture. Helenic culture"}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:55", "text": "was reconfigured in its final expression"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:51:00", "text": "by Rome and Catholicism with St."}, {"start": "01:50:55", "end": "01:51:02", "text": "Veneration uh with the the boy savior uh"}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:04", "text": "the earth mother you can call it Isis"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:07", "text": "and Horus, you can call it Mary and"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:09", "text": "Jesus. It was a a vessel for this"}, {"start": "01:51:07", "end": "01:51:12", "text": "universal religion. And I think that in"}, {"start": "01:51:09", "end": "01:51:14", "text": "quarters where you find hatred or"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:16", "text": "conspiracy theories for Catholicism,"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "it's it's because of that because it's"}, {"start": "01:51:16", "end": "01:51:20", "text": "that last"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:23", "text": "vouching"}, {"start": "01:51:20", "end": "01:51:25", "text": "of a universal faith and I enter it and"}, {"start": "01:51:23", "end": "01:51:27", "text": "I approach it as such."}, {"start": "01:51:25", "end": "01:51:29", "text": ">> I believe you. I'm not very religious,"}, {"start": "01:51:27", "end": "01:51:30", "text": "but I think St. Michael saved my life"}, {"start": "01:51:29", "end": "01:51:31", "text": "and I've been wearing his shield ever"}, {"start": "01:51:30", "end": "01:51:32", "text": "since that day."}, {"start": "01:51:31", "end": "01:51:34", "text": ">> I noticed that. I was going to ask you"}, {"start": "01:51:32", "end": "01:51:36", "text": "about that very thing. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:51:34", "end": "01:51:38", "text": "Um yeah, I was going through a hard time"}, {"start": "01:51:36", "end": "01:51:42", "text": "and uh I just found myself in a Catholic"}, {"start": "01:51:38", "end": "01:51:44", "text": "church and suddenly felt better. It was"}, {"start": "01:51:42", "end": "01:51:46", "text": "the church was empty and I was in St."}, {"start": "01:51:44", "end": "01:51:47", "text": "Michael's Rome and I just I don't know."}, {"start": "01:51:46", "end": "01:51:49", "text": "I felt some I felt something."}, {"start": "01:51:47", "end": "01:51:51", "text": ">> One has to listen to these things."}, {"start": "01:51:49", "end": "01:51:53", "text": "Again, it's the disguised stranger."}, {"start": "01:51:51", "end": "01:51:56", "text": "You're coming to us."}, {"start": "01:51:53", "end": "01:51:58", "text": ">> I discovered the miraculous metal uh the"}, {"start": "01:51:56", "end": "01:52:01", "text": "image of of Mary from visions by"}, {"start": "01:51:58", "end": "01:52:03", "text": "Katherine Labberet in a bookstore in New"}, {"start": "01:52:01", "end": "01:52:07", "text": "York City that was run by the Paulines."}, {"start": "01:52:03", "end": "01:52:09", "text": "and they are they are a devout order of"}, {"start": "01:52:07", "end": "01:52:12", "text": "nuns who maintain a media ministry. Now,"}, {"start": "01:52:09", "end": "01:52:14", "text": "unfortunately in our world today,"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:16", "text": "bookstores like the Paul Pauline's"}, {"start": "01:52:14", "end": "01:52:19", "text": "bookstore uh have closed in New York"}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:22", "text": "City. Somehow I can spend $40 on a"}, {"start": "01:52:19", "end": "01:52:25", "text": "pretzel at a concert, but I can't"}, {"start": "01:52:22", "end": "01:52:26", "text": "support the Paulines. And the tragedy is"}, {"start": "01:52:25", "end": "01:52:28", "text": "if you don't have those places,"}, {"start": "01:52:26", "end": "01:52:30", "text": "someone's not going to discover St."}, {"start": "01:52:28", "end": "01:52:31", "text": "Michael or the Miraculous Medal or St."}, {"start": "01:52:30", "end": "01:52:34", "text": "Jude. And of course, we could be talking"}, {"start": "01:52:31", "end": "01:52:36", "text": "about any number of faith traditions."}, {"start": "01:52:34", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "And we just piss away so much money in"}, {"start": "01:52:36", "end": "01:52:40", "text": "this society. I hear about this place"}, {"start": "01:52:38", "end": "01:52:43", "text": "closing and that place closing. Plenty"}, {"start": "01:52:40", "end": "01:52:44", "text": "of money around. We we just piss it away"}, {"start": "01:52:43", "end": "01:52:45", "text": "in places that that don't matter very"}, {"start": "01:52:44", "end": "01:52:47", "text": "much."}, {"start": "01:52:45", "end": "01:52:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:52:47", "end": "01:52:52", "text": "Well, then what is Satanism to to you?"}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:54", "text": "What what is everyone getting wrong?"}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:57", "text": "Because I don't hear anything evil."}, {"start": "01:52:54", "end": "01:52:59", "text": ">> It's not a religion of maleficence or"}, {"start": "01:52:57", "end": "01:53:01", "text": "cruelty or evil. Of course, there are"}, {"start": "01:52:59", "end": "01:53:03", "text": "all kinds of different practices as"}, {"start": "01:53:01", "end": "01:53:06", "text": "there are different individuals."}, {"start": "01:53:03", "end": "01:53:09", "text": "But as I see it and the way I speak of"}, {"start": "01:53:06", "end": "01:53:13", "text": "it classically,"}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:15", "text": "it is the abiding of radical"}, {"start": "01:53:13", "end": "01:53:20", "text": "questioning, nonconformity,"}, {"start": "01:53:15", "end": "01:53:23", "text": "upending received notions, saying no to"}, {"start": "01:53:20", "end": "01:53:25", "text": "being told this is the way something is,"}, {"start": "01:53:23", "end": "01:53:28", "text": "but saying I'm going to verify this for"}, {"start": "01:53:25", "end": "01:53:30", "text": "myself. And I do think I'm not an"}, {"start": "01:53:28", "end": "01:53:32", "text": "atheist."}, {"start": "01:53:30", "end": "01:53:33", "text": "I'm not a materialist. I do think"}, {"start": "01:53:32", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "there's a metaphysical aspect to the"}, {"start": "01:53:33", "end": "01:53:41", "text": "satanic. And I do think that one can"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:44", "text": "seek a relationship with the being whom"}, {"start": "01:53:41", "end": "01:53:46", "text": "the ancient Hebrews calledatan"}, {"start": "01:53:44", "end": "01:53:49", "text": "or in the Bible there is reference as we"}, {"start": "01:53:46", "end": "01:53:51", "text": "were discussing earlier to the so-called"}, {"start": "01:53:49", "end": "01:53:55", "text": "demon, a word we're now supposed to use,"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:57", "text": "Azazelle. And I think that the"}, {"start": "01:53:55", "end": "01:54:00", "text": "individual"}, {"start": "01:53:57", "end": "01:54:02", "text": "is much freer and is possessed of much"}, {"start": "01:54:00", "end": "01:54:04", "text": "greater options than he or she believes."}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:06", "text": "Most people will hear this and reject it"}, {"start": "01:54:04", "end": "01:54:10", "text": "outright. Most people will hear this and"}, {"start": "01:54:06", "end": "01:54:12", "text": "say, \"He is leading us into predition."}, {"start": "01:54:10", "end": "01:54:15", "text": "Don't listen to this guy. This goes to a"}, {"start": "01:54:12", "end": "01:54:17", "text": "terrible place.\" How do I know that?"}, {"start": "01:54:15", "end": "01:54:20", "text": "That's centuries and centuries and"}, {"start": "01:54:17", "end": "01:54:21", "text": "century centuries of conditioning"}, {"start": "01:54:20", "end": "01:54:23", "text": "speaking. Again,"}, {"start": "01:54:21", "end": "01:54:24", "text": ">> I can't use Satanist in the title of"}, {"start": "01:54:23", "end": "01:54:24", "text": "this episode."}, {"start": "01:54:24", "end": "01:54:27", "text": ">> Cannot. I cannot."}, {"start": "01:54:24", "end": "01:54:30", "text": ">> It will take all the oxygen out of the"}, {"start": "01:54:27", "end": "01:54:33", "text": "room. And listen, this effort that I'm"}, {"start": "01:54:30", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "making, it may fail. I am trying to"}, {"start": "01:54:33", "end": "01:54:43", "text": "bring a degree of upending reasoning to"}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:46", "text": "our faith traditions. And the term"}, {"start": "01:54:43", "end": "01:54:49", "text": "Satan, as it's used in modern"}, {"start": "01:54:46", "end": "01:54:50", "text": "parliament, is too great a windmill even"}, {"start": "01:54:49", "end": "01:54:53", "text": "for me to tilt at. Sure."}, {"start": "01:54:50", "end": "01:54:55", "text": ">> But as I often say to people, you don't"}, {"start": "01:54:53", "end": "01:54:57", "text": "turn back once you've begun an errand in"}, {"start": "01:54:55", "end": "01:55:00", "text": "the classical sense. And that's my"}, {"start": "01:54:57", "end": "01:55:02", "text": "commitment. And if I were trying to kiss"}, {"start": "01:55:00", "end": "01:55:03", "text": "up to the room, if I were trying to kiss"}, {"start": "01:55:02", "end": "01:55:06", "text": "up to the audience, I wouldn't talk"}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:08", "text": "about it at all. But I want people to"}, {"start": "01:55:06", "end": "01:55:11", "text": "have a sense of options. And even people"}, {"start": "01:55:08", "end": "01:55:14", "text": "who don't like me and don't like my"}, {"start": "01:55:11", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "ideas, maybe maybe they'll capture a"}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:18", "text": "glimpse of the fact that if there's some"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:22", "text": "guy out there on the margins saying the"}, {"start": "01:55:18", "end": "01:55:24", "text": "things I say, it affords them more room"}, {"start": "01:55:22", "end": "01:55:24", "text": "for their own search and I'll settle for"}, {"start": "01:55:24", "end": "01:55:26", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:55:24", "end": "01:55:29", "text": ">> Have you ever lost any speaking gigs or"}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:31", "text": "anything because you refuse to you have?"}, {"start": "01:55:29", "end": "01:55:33", "text": ">> Absolutely. I was kicked out of a new"}, {"start": "01:55:31", "end": "01:55:36", "text": "age organization with whom I had years"}, {"start": "01:55:33", "end": "01:55:40", "text": "of gainful collaboration. I had written"}, {"start": "01:55:36", "end": "01:55:42", "text": "a book for them as a fundraiser. I had"}, {"start": "01:55:40", "end": "01:55:44", "text": "nothing but friendly relations and"}, {"start": "01:55:42", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "somebody there started a whispering"}, {"start": "01:55:44", "end": "01:55:48", "text": "campaign against me. Next thing I knew,"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:50", "text": "I was expelled. I was scrubbed from the"}, {"start": "01:55:48", "end": "01:55:52", "text": "website and so on. There was a free"}, {"start": "01:55:50", "end": "01:55:54", "text": "Masonic lodge that canceled to talk on"}, {"start": "01:55:52", "end": "01:55:55", "text": "me. These are only the things I know"}, {"start": "01:55:54", "end": "01:55:57", "text": "about. I'm sure there's lots of other"}, {"start": "01:55:55", "end": "01:56:01", "text": "things I don't know about. But the fact"}, {"start": "01:55:57", "end": "01:56:03", "text": "is when I look at people I admire,"}, {"start": "01:56:01", "end": "01:56:06", "text": "people whose shoulders we stand on, they"}, {"start": "01:56:03", "end": "01:56:10", "text": "suffered far greater calumny than I have"}, {"start": "01:56:06", "end": "01:56:11", "text": "to defend their own beliefs. I spoke of"}, {"start": "01:56:10", "end": "01:56:14", "text": "becoming a writer because I wanted to"}, {"start": "01:56:11", "end": "01:56:16", "text": "defend the lives of spiritual messengers"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:19", "text": "who I thought were disparaged in the"}, {"start": "01:56:16", "end": "01:56:23", "text": "mainstream. Those are my heroes. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:56:19", "end": "01:56:24", "text": "going to run from expressing myself."}, {"start": "01:56:23", "end": "01:56:27", "text": ">> Those expulsions were probably useful"}, {"start": "01:56:24", "end": "01:56:29", "text": "then. you had no use for a group that"}, {"start": "01:56:27", "end": "01:56:31", "text": "wanted to throw you out."}, {"start": "01:56:29", "end": "01:56:34", "text": ">> They've certainly proven useful in that"}, {"start": "01:56:31", "end": "01:56:37", "text": "they put a person face to face with what"}, {"start": "01:56:34", "end": "01:56:39", "text": "he or she believes, what free expression"}, {"start": "01:56:37", "end": "01:56:41", "text": "means. We all say it's just like we're"}, {"start": "01:56:39", "end": "01:56:43", "text": "all against war. We're all for free"}, {"start": "01:56:41", "end": "01:56:43", "text": "expression until we don't like it,"}, {"start": "01:56:43", "end": "01:56:46", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:56:43", "end": "01:56:48", "text": ">> And [laughter] so it teaches you"}, {"start": "01:56:46", "end": "01:56:49", "text": "something about humanity. Last night we"}, {"start": "01:56:48", "end": "01:56:52", "text": "were watching an episode of the Twilight"}, {"start": "01:56:49", "end": "01:56:53", "text": "Zone, famous episode, The Shelter, where"}, {"start": "01:56:52", "end": "01:56:55", "text": "neighbors burst into the guy's bomb"}, {"start": "01:56:53", "end": "01:56:58", "text": "shelter. And there goes Rod Serling in"}, {"start": "01:56:55", "end": "01:57:00", "text": "all of 22 minutes exposing us to human"}, {"start": "01:56:58", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "nature. Y So you learn something about"}, {"start": "01:57:00", "end": "01:57:03", "text": "human nature, you learn something about"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:05", "text": "yourself."}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:07", "text": ">> And in that sense, it's painful, but"}, {"start": "01:57:05", "end": "01:57:09", "text": "it's educative."}, {"start": "01:57:07", "end": "01:57:12", "text": ">> That episode captures human nature"}, {"start": "01:57:09", "end": "01:57:14", "text": "perfectly. The paranoia and how people"}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:17", "text": "turn on each a lot of my content is"}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:19", "text": "based on Rod Sterling's work. Um, what"}, {"start": "01:57:17", "end": "01:57:22", "text": "does it mean to walk the left path?"}, {"start": "01:57:19", "end": "01:57:26", "text": ">> Well, the left-hand path, as I use it,"}, {"start": "01:57:22", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "is a spiritual path that emphasizes"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:31", "text": "individualism, the individual wish,"}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:35", "text": "self-rreation."}, {"start": "01:57:31", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "You might say that it focuses on my will"}, {"start": "01:57:35", "end": "01:57:39", "text": "be done versus thy will be done. And"}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:42", "text": "some people hear that and they don't"}, {"start": "01:57:39", "end": "01:57:44", "text": "like it, and I understand that. But"}, {"start": "01:57:42", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "let's take a breath. Most of the time"}, {"start": "01:57:44", "end": "01:57:49", "text": "what most of us are seeking in the"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:52", "text": "spiritual search is some sense of of"}, {"start": "01:57:49", "end": "01:57:54", "text": "agency of power not force not force"}, {"start": "01:57:52", "end": "01:57:56", "text": "power to see through our wish for"}, {"start": "01:57:54", "end": "01:57:59", "text": "expression in the world. And we"}, {"start": "01:57:56", "end": "01:58:00", "text": "sometimes perfume it saying"}, {"start": "01:57:59", "end": "01:58:02", "text": ">> sure"}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:04", "text": ">> thy will be done with the right hand but"}, {"start": "01:58:02", "end": "01:58:06", "text": "with the left hand saying I'm really"}, {"start": "01:58:04", "end": "01:58:08", "text": "hoping it comports with my will."}, {"start": "01:58:06", "end": "01:58:11", "text": ">> And I really believe in the individual."}, {"start": "01:58:08", "end": "01:58:14", "text": "I believe in the ability of the mature"}, {"start": "01:58:11", "end": "01:58:18", "text": "sensitive individual as a person to"}, {"start": "01:58:14", "end": "01:58:20", "text": "identify his or her own path in life and"}, {"start": "01:58:18", "end": "01:58:22", "text": "I believe in ethics which arise from"}, {"start": "01:58:20", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "empathy and most people don't have it"}, {"start": "01:58:22", "end": "01:58:28", "text": "regardless of how pretty they talk."}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "Ethics arise from the emotions and you"}, {"start": "01:58:28", "end": "01:58:33", "text": "have to have fine emotions to really"}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:36", "text": "even understand what ethics are. I write"}, {"start": "01:58:33", "end": "01:58:39", "text": "to people with ethics and that's that's"}, {"start": "01:58:36", "end": "01:58:40", "text": "to whom my appeals are made."}, {"start": "01:58:39", "end": "01:58:42", "text": "That's another rule is that don't"}, {"start": "01:58:40", "end": "01:58:46", "text": "underestimate the power of emotions."}, {"start": "01:58:42", "end": "01:58:48", "text": ">> Mhm. World stands on them."}, {"start": "01:58:46", "end": "01:58:51", "text": ">> A couple of questions I want to go off"}, {"start": "01:58:48", "end": "01:58:53", "text": "script for."}, {"start": "01:58:51", "end": "01:58:56", "text": "Oriticism."}, {"start": "01:58:53", "end": "01:58:57", "text": "Well, it's from your book. You said um"}, {"start": "01:58:56", "end": "01:58:59", "text": "we don't have Buddha, we have Buddhism."}, {"start": "01:58:57", "end": "01:59:00", "text": "The teacher becomes the teaching,"}, {"start": "01:58:59", "end": "01:59:02", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:59:00", "end": "01:59:04", "text": ">> And the teaching calcifies. So, you've"}, {"start": "01:59:02", "end": "01:59:07", "text": "written a lot of books and one day"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:11", "text": "there's going to be a horriicism."}, {"start": "01:59:07", "end": "01:59:11", "text": "And what will it get wrong about you?"}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:13", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:15", "text": ">> When you're gone."}, {"start": "01:59:13", "end": "01:59:17", "text": ">> Well, I'm referring to the fact that"}, {"start": "01:59:15", "end": "01:59:19", "text": "there is in life a descending octave and"}, {"start": "01:59:17", "end": "01:59:21", "text": "there's no getting away from it, right?"}, {"start": "01:59:19", "end": "01:59:23", "text": "We don't have Buddha. We have Buddhism."}, {"start": "01:59:21", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "We don't have Christ. We have"}, {"start": "01:59:23", "end": "01:59:29", "text": "Christianity or Christendum."}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:31", "text": "What if there's a Horowitz ism will get"}, {"start": "01:59:29", "end": "01:59:33", "text": "wrong is it will bring orthodoxy to"}, {"start": "01:59:31", "end": "01:59:36", "text": "these ideas. It will close them off. It"}, {"start": "01:59:33", "end": "01:59:38", "text": "will slam the door closed. It will say"}, {"start": "01:59:36", "end": "01:59:40", "text": "things like live for yourself without"}, {"start": "01:59:38", "end": "01:59:44", "text": "being uncomfortable with that statement"}, {"start": "01:59:40", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "as I am even as I believe in it from a"}, {"start": "01:59:44", "end": "01:59:50", "text": "more complex point of view than a later"}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:52", "text": "version might hold. The truth is all"}, {"start": "01:59:50", "end": "01:59:55", "text": "these traditions are the same in the"}, {"start": "01:59:52", "end": "01:59:57", "text": "sense that we cop to ideals but we live"}, {"start": "01:59:55", "end": "02:00:00", "text": "according to what makes me feel safe,"}, {"start": "01:59:57", "end": "02:00:02", "text": "what makes me feel unsafe, what title"}, {"start": "02:00:00", "end": "02:00:04", "text": "can I claim that makes me sound like a"}, {"start": "02:00:02", "end": "02:00:07", "text": "hero while puts the other person into an"}, {"start": "02:00:04", "end": "02:00:09", "text": "uncomfortable little box. So"}, {"start": "02:00:07", "end": "02:00:11", "text": "unfortunately due to this descending"}, {"start": "02:00:09", "end": "02:00:15", "text": "current of humanity"}, {"start": "02:00:11", "end": "02:00:18", "text": "pretty much every tradition winds up"}, {"start": "02:00:15", "end": "02:00:20", "text": "winds up despite its pretty language"}, {"start": "02:00:18", "end": "02:00:23", "text": "being a statement of I like and I don't"}, {"start": "02:00:20", "end": "02:00:26", "text": "like. So I can't expect if there's ever"}, {"start": "02:00:23", "end": "02:00:29", "text": "a iteration of what I'm into it'll be"}, {"start": "02:00:26", "end": "02:00:31", "text": "much better. Uh if it is I'm I'm wrong"}, {"start": "02:00:29", "end": "02:00:34", "text": "about human nature and human nature is"}, {"start": "02:00:31", "end": "02:00:37", "text": "better than I think. I don't think it"}, {"start": "02:00:34", "end": "02:00:40", "text": "is. No, with with so many religions,"}, {"start": "02:00:37", "end": "02:00:42", "text": "it's follow this book exactly and you'll"}, {"start": "02:00:40", "end": "02:00:45", "text": "end up in paradise or whatever. With"}, {"start": "02:00:42", "end": "02:00:47", "text": "your rules, it's follow this exactly and"}, {"start": "02:00:45", "end": "02:00:50", "text": "it's going to hurt anyway. It's going to"}, {"start": "02:00:47", "end": "02:00:51", "text": "hurt anyway, but you may be happier at"}, {"start": "02:00:50", "end": "02:00:53", "text": "the end of the day, and you may express"}, {"start": "02:00:51", "end": "02:00:55", "text": "yourself more at the end of the day, and"}, {"start": "02:00:53", "end": "02:00:58", "text": "you may spend less time falling asleep"}, {"start": "02:00:55", "end": "02:01:00", "text": "at night with chips on your chest or or"}, {"start": "02:00:58", "end": "02:01:03", "text": "or or complaining week in and week out"}, {"start": "02:01:00", "end": "02:01:04", "text": "to the shrink and expressing yourself"}, {"start": "02:01:03", "end": "02:01:06", "text": "and and doing more that makes you feel"}, {"start": "02:01:04", "end": "02:01:08", "text": "vital."}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:09", "text": ">> There's only one person on the earth"}, {"start": "02:01:08", "end": "02:01:11", "text": "besides your mother who's allowed to"}, {"start": "02:01:09", "end": "02:01:12", "text": "call you Mitchell. Tell me about Paul"}, {"start": "02:01:11", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "Kraner."}, {"start": "02:01:12", "end": "02:01:16", "text": ">> Oh, [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:20", "text": "may he rest in peace. Yes. Uh Paul was a"}, {"start": "02:01:16", "end": "02:01:23", "text": "old hippie and and beatnick and uh I got"}, {"start": "02:01:20", "end": "02:01:26", "text": "this pen literary award in Oakland,"}, {"start": "02:01:23", "end": "02:01:30", "text": "California and they were giving Paul a"}, {"start": "02:01:26", "end": "02:01:32", "text": "lifetime achievement award and he was in"}, {"start": "02:01:30", "end": "02:01:33", "text": "declining health at the time and he"}, {"start": "02:01:32", "end": "02:01:36", "text": "walked up to the podium and he was"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:39", "text": "limping and um and he got up to the"}, {"start": "02:01:36", "end": "02:01:41", "text": "podium and some of us including me were"}, {"start": "02:01:39", "end": "02:01:44", "text": "giving him a standing ovation and just"}, {"start": "02:01:41", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "with the most impeccable comedic timing"}, {"start": "02:01:44", "end": "02:01:48", "text": "he"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:50", "text": "Why was it everyone standing? [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:01:48", "end": "02:01:53", "text": "It's like he was like a Lenny Bruce kind"}, {"start": "02:01:50", "end": "02:01:56", "text": "of figure. And uh I don't know. You"}, {"start": "02:01:53", "end": "02:01:57", "text": "know, he used to call me Mitchell and I"}, {"start": "02:01:56", "end": "02:01:58", "text": "just put up with it. I don't let"}, {"start": "02:01:57", "end": "02:02:01", "text": "producers call me Mitchell. [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:01:58", "end": "02:02:02", "text": "And so Paul Kraner and mom were the only"}, {"start": "02:02:01", "end": "02:02:06", "text": "ones who could do that."}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:07", "text": ">> That's that's rare [laughter] company."}, {"start": "02:02:06", "end": "02:02:10", "text": "[gasps and sighs]"}, {"start": "02:02:07", "end": "02:02:12", "text": ">> There was another um anecdote that I"}, {"start": "02:02:10", "end": "02:02:14", "text": "found interesting. Whose memorial was it"}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:15", "text": "where the widow came up to you?"}, {"start": "02:02:14", "end": "02:02:16", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "02:02:15", "end": "02:02:19", "text": ">> And gave you a word."}, {"start": "02:02:16", "end": "02:02:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Um I was at the memorial service"}, {"start": "02:02:19", "end": "02:02:24", "text": "of a man named Irving. How"}, {"start": "02:02:22", "end": "02:02:26", "text": ">> he was a socialist. He was a literary"}, {"start": "02:02:24", "end": "02:02:28", "text": "critic. He was a great man of letters."}, {"start": "02:02:26", "end": "02:02:30", "text": "Big inspiration on me. He would not have"}, {"start": "02:02:28", "end": "02:02:33", "text": "liked or be interested in any of the"}, {"start": "02:02:30", "end": "02:02:36", "text": "topics that animate me today. But you"}, {"start": "02:02:33", "end": "02:02:39", "text": "can't choose your heroes. And he was"}, {"start": "02:02:36", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "one. And after his memorial service, the"}, {"start": "02:02:39", "end": "02:02:43", "text": "widow of another hero of mine, Michael"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:46", "text": "Harrington, anti-poverty socialist"}, {"start": "02:02:43", "end": "02:02:48", "text": "activist, also a great influence, would"}, {"start": "02:02:46", "end": "02:02:51", "text": "not have been interested in my topics at"}, {"start": "02:02:48", "end": "02:02:53", "text": "all. He was an atheist. Mike's widow"}, {"start": "02:02:51", "end": "02:02:55", "text": "came up to me and she took my hands and"}, {"start": "02:02:53", "end": "02:02:58", "text": "she said, \"Mitch,"}, {"start": "02:02:55", "end": "02:03:00", "text": "standards. If you want to learn one"}, {"start": "02:02:58", "end": "02:03:02", "text": "thing from Irving, that's it."}, {"start": "02:03:00", "end": "02:03:04", "text": "Standards.\" And I've tried to abide that"}, {"start": "02:03:02", "end": "02:03:07", "text": "because when I write about controversial"}, {"start": "02:03:04", "end": "02:03:10", "text": "themes, those themes are always very"}, {"start": "02:03:07", "end": "02:03:13", "text": "foundationally grounded in a really"}, {"start": "02:03:10", "end": "02:03:16", "text": "searching historicism and I hope in a"}, {"start": "02:03:13", "end": "02:03:19", "text": "really searching ethics and"}, {"start": "02:03:16", "end": "02:03:20", "text": "spirituality. So I took that to heart,"}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:23", "text": "although I took it into a different"}, {"start": "02:03:20", "end": "02:03:24", "text": "neighborhood than the ones that those"}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:25", "text": "guys worked in."}, {"start": "02:03:24", "end": "02:03:26", "text": ">> So you're always thinking standards with"}, {"start": "02:03:25", "end": "02:03:28", "text": "your work."}, {"start": "02:03:26", "end": "02:03:31", "text": ">> Always constantly. I will never write"}, {"start": "02:03:28", "end": "02:03:33", "text": "down a word, never write down a quote,"}, {"start": "02:03:31", "end": "02:03:35", "text": "never write down an idea without"}, {"start": "02:03:33", "end": "02:03:39", "text": "suffering it. Test the idea by suffering"}, {"start": "02:03:35", "end": "02:03:42", "text": "it. Test the idea by suffering it. And I"}, {"start": "02:03:39", "end": "02:03:45", "text": "I really try to live with things and I"}, {"start": "02:03:42", "end": "02:03:49", "text": "try to ask myself rather than repeating"}, {"start": "02:03:45", "end": "02:03:51", "text": "a quote or a story or reciting something"}, {"start": "02:03:49", "end": "02:03:53", "text": "from memory. This was in the Bible, that"}, {"start": "02:03:51", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "was in the Bible. go back to the source"}, {"start": "02:03:53", "end": "02:03:58", "text": "and you might be very surprised not only"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "at what's really there but at how these"}, {"start": "02:03:58", "end": "02:04:02", "text": "things differ according to different"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:04", "text": "traditions and translations. Reckon with"}, {"start": "02:04:02", "end": "02:04:06", "text": "that, live with that."}, {"start": "02:04:04", "end": "02:04:08", "text": ">> I like the standard story because I have"}, {"start": "02:04:06", "end": "02:04:10", "text": "a saying here that drives everybody nuts"}, {"start": "02:04:08", "end": "02:04:11", "text": "is we never phone it in. We never phone"}, {"start": "02:04:10", "end": "02:04:12", "text": "it in."}, {"start": "02:04:11", "end": "02:04:13", "text": ">> Dick."}, {"start": "02:04:12", "end": "02:04:16", "text": ">> Yeah. [snorts] Yeah."}, {"start": "02:04:13", "end": "02:04:19", "text": ">> How does your book has financial advice?"}, {"start": "02:04:16", "end": "02:04:20", "text": "How how does a youth democrat socialist"}, {"start": "02:04:19", "end": "02:04:20", "text": "accountant,"}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:22", "text": ">> right,"}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:23", "text": ">> end up telling me to buy index funds,"}, {"start": "02:04:22", "end": "02:04:25", "text": "which I do,"}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:27", "text": ">> right? Oh, good. Bravo. Your your kids"}, {"start": "02:04:25", "end": "02:04:30", "text": "are going to be very happy for that. I"}, {"start": "02:04:27", "end": "02:04:33", "text": "can assure you. Um, it's so funny, man."}, {"start": "02:04:30", "end": "02:04:35", "text": "I was uh I was I was a treasurer of the"}, {"start": "02:04:33", "end": "02:04:35", "text": "youth section of Democratic Socialist of"}, {"start": "02:04:35", "end": "02:04:36", "text": "America."}, {"start": "02:04:35", "end": "02:04:39", "text": ">> Not an easy game."}, {"start": "02:04:36", "end": "02:04:42", "text": ">> Right. Right. I was one socialist who"}, {"start": "02:04:39", "end": "02:04:44", "text": "balanced budgets. Um, it's so funny"}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:45", "text": "because uh my wife and I, Jacqueline, we"}, {"start": "02:04:44", "end": "02:04:47", "text": "were just talking about this last night."}, {"start": "02:04:45", "end": "02:04:49", "text": "We were watching one of these financial"}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:50", "text": "talk shows and they're going on and on"}, {"start": "02:04:49", "end": "02:04:55", "text": "about CDs and versification and so"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:57", "text": "forth. Um, I tell people, chin out, put"}, {"start": "02:04:55", "end": "02:05:00", "text": "your goddamn money into the S&P 500"}, {"start": "02:04:57", "end": "02:05:01", "text": "index fund. It'll go down and it'll also"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "go back up. And if it goes down"}, {"start": "02:05:01", "end": "02:05:04", "text": "permanently, we're all in a lot of"}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:05", "text": "trouble. And it ain't going to go down"}, {"start": "02:05:04", "end": "02:05:08", "text": "permanently."}, {"start": "02:05:05", "end": "02:05:08", "text": ">> Nope. They won't let it happen. QQQ all"}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:11", "text": "day long."}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:13", "text": ">> Exactly. All the big wigs have got all"}, {"start": "02:05:11", "end": "02:05:17", "text": "their money there. And that's going to"}, {"start": "02:05:13", "end": "02:05:20", "text": "be the first to get bailed out. And um I"}, {"start": "02:05:17", "end": "02:05:22", "text": "am not a finance guy, but I have a lot"}, {"start": "02:05:20", "end": "02:05:24", "text": "of in-laws who are. And once one"}, {"start": "02:05:22", "end": "02:05:26", "text": "Thanksgiving, I was sitting around with"}, {"start": "02:05:24", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "a bunch of finance guys from Goldman"}, {"start": "02:05:26", "end": "02:05:31", "text": "Sachs and other big banks. And these"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:33", "text": "guys, they're they're very confident and"}, {"start": "02:05:31", "end": "02:05:36", "text": "you know, they march into the world with"}, {"start": "02:05:33", "end": "02:05:38", "text": "their shoulders swaggering. And I said,"}, {"start": "02:05:36", "end": "02:05:40", "text": "uh, let me ask you financial wizards a"}, {"start": "02:05:38", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "question. And I want you to be 100%"}, {"start": "02:05:40", "end": "02:05:46", "text": "frank with me. My understanding is that"}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:49", "text": "no securities product, no financial"}, {"start": "02:05:46", "end": "02:05:52", "text": "product over time does better than the"}, {"start": "02:05:49", "end": "02:05:56", "text": "boring old S&P 500. And to a person,"}, {"start": "02:05:52", "end": "02:05:57", "text": "they all agreed. They all agreed. And"}, {"start": "02:05:56", "end": "02:05:59", "text": "one of the things that has helped me in"}, {"start": "02:05:57", "end": "02:06:02", "text": "life and that I share on a strictly"}, {"start": "02:05:59", "end": "02:06:05", "text": "practical level with my readers is when"}, {"start": "02:06:02", "end": "02:06:07", "text": "I was in publishing, we had a 401k plan."}, {"start": "02:06:05", "end": "02:06:10", "text": "I socked away as much money as I"}, {"start": "02:06:07", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "possibly could into one place, the S&P"}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:15", "text": "500. Those are just the top 500 stocks"}, {"start": "02:06:13", "end": "02:06:18", "text": "in the market at any given time."}, {"start": "02:06:15", "end": "02:06:20", "text": "Diversification is a marketing term."}, {"start": "02:06:18", "end": "02:06:22", "text": "Yes, that's from people who want to take"}, {"start": "02:06:20", "end": "02:06:25", "text": "commissions from you. Park it in the"}, {"start": "02:06:22", "end": "02:06:27", "text": "boring old S&P 500."}, {"start": "02:06:25", "end": "02:06:30", "text": ">> Be chill. It will go down. It will go"}, {"start": "02:06:27", "end": "02:06:32", "text": "back up. We watched it during CO. It was"}, {"start": "02:06:30", "end": "02:06:35", "text": "very rough. Stand your ground. You will"}, {"start": "02:06:32", "end": "02:06:36", "text": "be happy. That's my advice."}, {"start": "02:06:35", "end": "02:06:40", "text": ">> It's great advice. Here's how I"}, {"start": "02:06:36", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "diversify. S&P index, aerospace index,"}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:43", "text": "healthcare index. That's it. I don't own"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:46", "text": "any stocks."}, {"start": "02:06:43", "end": "02:06:48", "text": ">> And that's where Elon's money is. That's"}, {"start": "02:06:46", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "where Zuckerberg's money is. That's"}, {"start": "02:06:48", "end": "02:06:51", "text": "where Sam Alman's money is. It ain't"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:51", "text": "going down."}, {"start": "02:06:51", "end": "02:06:54", "text": ">> It's not."}, {"start": "02:06:51", "end": "02:06:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:59", "text": ">> Are So, are you a capitalist? I I can't"}, {"start": "02:06:57", "end": "02:07:01", "text": "I don't know where you Marx socialism,"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:03", "text": "Marxism. You're reading Lenin."}, {"start": "02:07:01", "end": "02:07:04", "text": ">> I do read Lennon. What what did you try"}, {"start": "02:07:03", "end": "02:07:06", "text": "to learn from Lenin?"}, {"start": "02:07:04", "end": "02:07:08", "text": ">> What I grew to in Lenin is even though"}, {"start": "02:07:06", "end": "02:07:09", "text": "he was an ardent materialist, he was"}, {"start": "02:07:08", "end": "02:07:12", "text": "into self-development. Yes."}, {"start": "02:07:09", "end": "02:07:15", "text": ">> And he really believed in the"}, {"start": "02:07:12", "end": "02:07:18", "text": "self-development project as did a lot of"}, {"start": "02:07:15", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "people in his generation uh of Tsarist"}, {"start": "02:07:18", "end": "02:07:21", "text": "Russia. Zorist Russia created its own"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "demise. is not only was it a horrible"}, {"start": "02:07:21", "end": "02:07:25", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:28", "text": "system of governance that didn't allow a"}, {"start": "02:07:25", "end": "02:07:29", "text": "middle class to flourish, didn't really"}, {"start": "02:07:28", "end": "02:07:31", "text": "facilitate the conditions where people"}, {"start": "02:07:29", "end": "02:07:34", "text": "could own property and have some degree"}, {"start": "02:07:31", "end": "02:07:37", "text": "of of of freedom of search, freedom of"}, {"start": "02:07:34", "end": "02:07:39", "text": "thought, freedom of expression. But"}, {"start": "02:07:37", "end": "02:07:41", "text": "Zorist Russia made a fateful decision"}, {"start": "02:07:39", "end": "02:07:44", "text": "which is that if we want to modernize,"}, {"start": "02:07:41", "end": "02:07:47", "text": "we need a some sort of a a professional"}, {"start": "02:07:44", "end": "02:07:48", "text": "bureaucracy. We need people who are"}, {"start": "02:07:47", "end": "02:07:51", "text": "educated who can run the civil service"}, {"start": "02:07:48", "end": "02:07:54", "text": "and we need of course engineers and"}, {"start": "02:07:51", "end": "02:07:56", "text": "doctors and scientists. So they started"}, {"start": "02:07:54", "end": "02:07:59", "text": "educating small clusters of young people"}, {"start": "02:07:56", "end": "02:08:02", "text": "who hated the regime and the government"}, {"start": "02:07:59", "end": "02:08:06", "text": "and one Vladimir Lenon was among them."}, {"start": "02:08:02", "end": "02:08:10", "text": "And um Lenin doted upon a mid-9th"}, {"start": "02:08:06", "end": "02:08:12", "text": "century novel uh by a Russian"}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:15", "text": "existentialist writer titled what is to"}, {"start": "02:08:12", "end": "02:08:16", "text": "be done. He later named his own"}, {"start": "02:08:15", "end": "02:08:18", "text": "pamphlet, What is to be done after this"}, {"start": "02:08:16", "end": "02:08:21", "text": "novel? And within it appeared a"}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:24", "text": "character named Rakmatov, who believed"}, {"start": "02:08:21", "end": "02:08:27", "text": "ardently in self-development. He was"}, {"start": "02:08:24", "end": "02:08:29", "text": "kind of a Russian hardcore version of"}, {"start": "02:08:27", "end": "02:08:31", "text": "oh, I don't know, I guess you'd say an"}, {"start": "02:08:29", "end": "02:08:34", "text": "American up by the bootstraps type"}, {"start": "02:08:31", "end": "02:08:35", "text": "figure. And this inspired Lenon. And I"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:38", "text": "like the Russian writers and"}, {"start": "02:08:35", "end": "02:08:40", "text": "existentialists because their point of"}, {"start": "02:08:38", "end": "02:08:42", "text": "view is expressed"}, {"start": "02:08:40", "end": "02:08:46", "text": "from"}, {"start": "02:08:42", "end": "02:08:49", "text": "a country that has been steeped in"}, {"start": "02:08:46", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "difficulty for many many generations"}, {"start": "02:08:49", "end": "02:08:54", "text": "allowing, you know, stemming from a Zara"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:57", "text": "system that was truly backward and and"}, {"start": "02:08:54", "end": "02:08:59", "text": "that that that the public hated. And so"}, {"start": "02:08:57", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "these writers were as realist as they"}, {"start": "02:08:59", "end": "02:09:06", "text": "come. And Lenon doted upon ideas of"}, {"start": "02:09:04", "end": "02:09:10", "text": "self-development. He also liked the"}, {"start": "02:09:06", "end": "02:09:12", "text": "novels of Jack London where the rugged"}, {"start": "02:09:10", "end": "02:09:14", "text": "radical individualist was always the"}, {"start": "02:09:12", "end": "02:09:17", "text": "hero. And so I'm always interested in"}, {"start": "02:09:14", "end": "02:09:20", "text": "learning about the background reading of"}, {"start": "02:09:17", "end": "02:09:22", "text": "great figures. I'm not a Leninist, but"}, {"start": "02:09:20", "end": "02:09:24", "text": "I'm interested as hell in his life"}, {"start": "02:09:22", "end": "02:09:26", "text": "because it was a difficult life and it"}, {"start": "02:09:24", "end": "02:09:29", "text": "was a life animated by a singular goal."}, {"start": "02:09:26", "end": "02:09:30", "text": "That goal succeeded. That goal also"}, {"start": "02:09:29", "end": "02:09:33", "text": "turned into a nightmare because it"}, {"start": "02:09:30", "end": "02:09:35", "text": "succeeded with autocracy, paved the way"}, {"start": "02:09:33", "end": "02:09:37", "text": "for Stalin. Uh, but I found I find"}, {"start": "02:09:35", "end": "02:09:39", "text": "Lennon a fascinating figure."}, {"start": "02:09:37", "end": "02:09:41", "text": ">> I think that's allowed. I mean, every"}, {"start": "02:09:39", "end": "02:09:43", "text": "time I put out a video about Hitler,"}, {"start": "02:09:41", "end": "02:09:45", "text": "it's a banger. That doesn't mean we"}, {"start": "02:09:43", "end": "02:09:48", "text": "endorse it. It was a fascination."}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:49", "text": ">> And and I would ask the public I would"}, {"start": "02:09:48", "end": "02:09:51", "text": "ask the public to question that in"}, {"start": "02:09:49", "end": "02:09:53", "text": "themselves. And I realize it. I mean,"}, {"start": "02:09:51", "end": "02:09:55", "text": "believe me, I watch enough Hitler"}, {"start": "02:09:53", "end": "02:09:57", "text": "documentaries to program a whole"}, {"start": "02:09:55", "end": "02:09:59", "text": "channel. So, I'm not up on some high"}, {"start": "02:09:57", "end": "02:10:00", "text": "horse about it, but people will talk"}, {"start": "02:09:59", "end": "02:10:03", "text": "about Hitler and the occult, for"}, {"start": "02:10:00", "end": "02:10:04", "text": "example. It's wildly overstated."}, {"start": "02:10:03", "end": "02:10:06", "text": "Whereas, we never talk about or rarely"}, {"start": "02:10:04", "end": "02:10:09", "text": "talk about Gandhi and the occult. Even"}, {"start": "02:10:06", "end": "02:10:11", "text": "though Gandhi's relationship with Madame"}, {"start": "02:10:09", "end": "02:10:14", "text": "HP Blovadski,"}, {"start": "02:10:11", "end": "02:10:18", "text": "he testified repeatedly throughout his"}, {"start": "02:10:14", "end": "02:10:19", "text": "life, ignited his first interest in"}, {"start": "02:10:18", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "human equality,"}, {"start": "02:10:19", "end": "02:10:25", "text": "the basic universality of all religions."}, {"start": "02:10:24", "end": "02:10:27", "text": "Well, tell that story of a struggling"}, {"start": "02:10:25", "end": "02:10:29", "text": "young lawyer in London."}, {"start": "02:10:27", "end": "02:10:30", "text": ">> Absolutely. Nobody's interested in it."}, {"start": "02:10:29", "end": "02:10:32", "text": "They're interested in Hitler in the"}, {"start": "02:10:30", "end": "02:10:34", "text": "occult, but Gandhi in the occult sure is"}, {"start": "02:10:32", "end": "02:10:35", "text": "is is much closer to the bone in terms"}, {"start": "02:10:34", "end": "02:10:36", "text": "of of truth."}, {"start": "02:10:35", "end": "02:10:37", "text": ">> And then I want to talk about the"}, {"start": "02:10:36", "end": "02:10:41", "text": "founding fathers in the occult."}, {"start": "02:10:37", "end": "02:10:43", "text": ">> Oh, by all means. Um Gandhi as a young"}, {"start": "02:10:41", "end": "02:10:46", "text": "man was studying to be a lawyer in"}, {"start": "02:10:43", "end": "02:10:48", "text": "London and in 1889 things were going"}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:50", "text": "terribly for him. He was isolated. He"}, {"start": "02:10:48", "end": "02:10:53", "text": "was lonely. He failed his metriculation"}, {"start": "02:10:50", "end": "02:10:56", "text": "exams. try being a vegetarian in London"}, {"start": "02:10:53", "end": "02:10:59", "text": "in 1889. It's not very fun today, much"}, {"start": "02:10:56", "end": "02:11:02", "text": "less then. And he was lonely and"}, {"start": "02:10:59", "end": "02:11:04", "text": "isolated and he met a couple of"}, {"start": "02:11:02", "end": "02:11:06", "text": "students, followers of Madame HP"}, {"start": "02:11:04", "end": "02:11:08", "text": "Blovatzky who had fled India in the face"}, {"start": "02:11:06", "end": "02:11:10", "text": "of scandal. Madame Blovatzky was this"}, {"start": "02:11:08", "end": "02:11:13", "text": "mysterious worldraveled Russian"}, {"start": "02:11:10", "end": "02:11:16", "text": "occultist both loved and damned. I love"}, {"start": "02:11:13", "end": "02:11:20", "text": "her. and she was living in the Nodding"}, {"start": "02:11:16", "end": "02:11:22", "text": "Hill section of London where she uh was"}, {"start": "02:11:20", "end": "02:11:25", "text": "completing work on her she actually just"}, {"start": "02:11:22", "end": "02:11:29", "text": "published her magnumopus the secret"}, {"start": "02:11:25", "end": "02:11:30", "text": "doctrine two volume occult cosmology of"}, {"start": "02:11:29", "end": "02:11:33", "text": "course"}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:35", "text": ">> Gandhi was very nervous about meeting"}, {"start": "02:11:33", "end": "02:11:38", "text": "her. He was invited to meet her. went to"}, {"start": "02:11:35", "end": "02:11:41", "text": "meet her and he said from that moment"}, {"start": "02:11:38", "end": "02:11:43", "text": "forward until his own assassination he"}, {"start": "02:11:41", "end": "02:11:46", "text": "recorded in interviews, letters,"}, {"start": "02:11:43", "end": "02:11:49", "text": "articles that meeting Madame Bllovzky,"}, {"start": "02:11:46", "end": "02:11:52", "text": "the high priestess of the occult"}, {"start": "02:11:49", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "ignited his first stirrings of a"}, {"start": "02:11:52", "end": "02:12:00", "text": "philosophy of human universality of"}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:12:04", "text": "civic equality of the equal footing on"}, {"start": "02:12:00", "end": "02:12:07", "text": "which all religions should stand."}, {"start": "02:12:04", "end": "02:12:10", "text": "Theosophy had and has as its motto there"}, {"start": "02:12:07", "end": "02:12:14", "text": "is no religion higher than truth. Gandhi"}, {"start": "02:12:10", "end": "02:12:16", "text": "later said all religions are true and"}, {"start": "02:12:14", "end": "02:12:19", "text": "all have some flaw in them. You could"}, {"start": "02:12:16", "end": "02:12:22", "text": "hear within the theosophical motto an"}, {"start": "02:12:19", "end": "02:12:22", "text": "echo of Gandhi's with within Gandhi's"}, {"start": "02:12:22", "end": "02:12:24", "text": "maxim."}, {"start": "02:12:22", "end": "02:12:28", "text": ">> How did she learn about him?"}, {"start": "02:12:24", "end": "02:12:30", "text": ">> Oh, listen. He was an unknown young kid"}, {"start": "02:12:28", "end": "02:12:34", "text": "studying law in London. And a couple of"}, {"start": "02:12:30", "end": "02:12:37", "text": "her followers asked him one day if"}, {"start": "02:12:34", "end": "02:12:39", "text": ">> he could help them read the Bavad Gita"}, {"start": "02:12:37", "end": "02:12:41", "text": "in its original Sanskrit. And he said,"}, {"start": "02:12:39", "end": "02:12:44", "text": "\"I could barely read the original"}, {"start": "02:12:41", "end": "02:12:47", "text": "Sanskrit myself. I wanted to get away"}, {"start": "02:12:44", "end": "02:12:48", "text": "from the Hinduism of my parents. I"}, {"start": "02:12:47", "end": "02:12:51", "text": "thought it was a bunch of superstition"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:53", "text": "and nonsense. I was not interested in a"}, {"start": "02:12:51", "end": "02:12:55", "text": "religious text, but I was very lonely. I"}, {"start": "02:12:53", "end": "02:12:57", "text": "was very isolated. And if these two guys"}, {"start": "02:12:55", "end": "02:12:59", "text": "wanted to be my friends, I would agree"}, {"start": "02:12:57", "end": "02:13:01", "text": "to it.\" And then they asked him, \"By the"}, {"start": "02:12:59", "end": "02:13:03", "text": "way, would you like to meet the high"}, {"start": "02:13:01", "end": "02:13:06", "text": "priestess of the occult herself, Madame"}, {"start": "02:13:03", "end": "02:13:06", "text": "HP Blavski?\" And he was shocked and"}, {"start": "02:13:06", "end": "02:13:08", "text": "said, \"I was"}, {"start": "02:13:06", "end": "02:13:10", "text": ">> a chain of events from asking for a"}, {"start": "02:13:08", "end": "02:13:10", "text": "translation to throw out the empire.\""}, {"start": "02:13:10", "end": "02:13:12", "text": "It's"}, {"start": "02:13:10", "end": "02:13:15", "text": ">> just remarkable. And he knew Madame"}, {"start": "02:13:12", "end": "02:13:17", "text": "Blovansky as this anti-colonial activist"}, {"start": "02:13:15", "end": "02:13:20", "text": "from the old country. So he felt"}, {"start": "02:13:17", "end": "02:13:22", "text": "sympathy and he went to meet her and she"}, {"start": "02:13:20", "end": "02:13:24", "text": "gave him a copy of a shorter book of"}, {"start": "02:13:22", "end": "02:13:27", "text": "hers called the key to Theosophy. And it"}, {"start": "02:13:24", "end": "02:13:30", "text": "speaks of human universality. And Gandhi"}, {"start": "02:13:27", "end": "02:13:32", "text": "said this was the ignition point that"}, {"start": "02:13:30", "end": "02:13:33", "text": "launched his philosophy. So everybody"}, {"start": "02:13:32", "end": "02:13:35", "text": "wants to talk about Hitler and the"}, {"start": "02:13:33", "end": "02:13:39", "text": "occult and it's so exciting and so forth"}, {"start": "02:13:35", "end": "02:13:43", "text": "and so on. But Gandhi and the occult is"}, {"start": "02:13:39", "end": "02:13:46", "text": "a a much closer to the bone version of"}, {"start": "02:13:43", "end": "02:13:48", "text": "historical truth that's unknown. If you"}, {"start": "02:13:46", "end": "02:13:50", "text": "get a biography of Gandhi today, you'll"}, {"start": "02:13:48", "end": "02:13:52", "text": "be surprised if there's three lines"}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:54", "text": "about Madame Blovatzky in there. despite"}, {"start": "02:13:52", "end": "02:13:56", "text": "how formative she was on his"}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:13:56", "text": "development, we've written it out of"}, {"start": "02:13:56", "end": "02:14:00", "text": "history."}, {"start": "02:13:56", "end": "02:14:02", "text": ">> What did he take from her that that like"}, {"start": "02:14:00", "end": "02:14:06", "text": "practically that we can see?"}, {"start": "02:14:02", "end": "02:14:10", "text": ">> Her key teaching at that time is that"}, {"start": "02:14:06", "end": "02:14:12", "text": "all of humanity's religions grew from"}, {"start": "02:14:10", "end": "02:14:14", "text": "one underground occult source that we've"}, {"start": "02:14:12", "end": "02:14:16", "text": "lost track of."}, {"start": "02:14:14", "end": "02:14:20", "text": ">> And she referred to this as the secret"}, {"start": "02:14:16", "end": "02:14:23", "text": "doctrine. and all of our religions, all"}, {"start": "02:14:20", "end": "02:14:25", "text": "of our ethical philosophies are like"}, {"start": "02:14:23", "end": "02:14:28", "text": "trees that spring up from this"}, {"start": "02:14:25", "end": "02:14:32", "text": "underground water source. And so he came"}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:36", "text": "to feel if that's true, and he felt that"}, {"start": "02:14:32", "end": "02:14:38", "text": "it was in fact true, it also means that"}, {"start": "02:14:36", "end": "02:14:41", "text": "our differences are simply surface"}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:43", "text": "differences and that all religions, all"}, {"start": "02:14:41", "end": "02:14:46", "text": "beings, whatever their cast or"}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:49", "text": "background, are essentially equal. and"}, {"start": "02:14:46", "end": "02:14:52", "text": "he credited her with that realization."}, {"start": "02:14:49", "end": "02:14:54", "text": "It fermented the largest democratic"}, {"start": "02:14:52", "end": "02:14:57", "text": "revolution, nonviolent democratic"}, {"start": "02:14:54", "end": "02:15:00", "text": "revolution in human history. And here we"}, {"start": "02:14:57", "end": "02:15:01", "text": "are. Nobody knows about it. Manovvatzky"}, {"start": "02:15:00", "end": "02:15:04", "text": "died an American citizen. She was very"}, {"start": "02:15:01", "end": "02:15:06", "text": "proud of being an American citizen."}, {"start": "02:15:04", "end": "02:15:08", "text": "Nobody's heard of her in our country. Or"}, {"start": "02:15:06", "end": "02:15:10", "text": "if they have, they're like, \"Oh, that"}, {"start": "02:15:08", "end": "02:15:12", "text": "charlatan, that fake.\" The story is so"}, {"start": "02:15:10", "end": "02:15:15", "text": "much deeper. And this is how history"}, {"start": "02:15:12", "end": "02:15:15", "text": "gets neglected. And she died young,"}, {"start": "02:15:15", "end": "02:15:16", "text": "didn't she?"}, {"start": "02:15:15", "end": "02:15:19", "text": ">> 59 years old."}, {"start": "02:15:16", "end": "02:15:22", "text": ">> Oh. So, what do people get wrong about"}, {"start": "02:15:19", "end": "02:15:24", "text": "her in theosophy? Because when I think"}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:27", "text": "of ancient Egyptian religion, Sumerian,"}, {"start": "02:15:24", "end": "02:15:27", "text": "Catholicism, sounds like she might be on"}, {"start": "02:15:27", "end": "02:15:30", "text": "to something."}, {"start": "02:15:27", "end": "02:15:31", "text": ">> Yeah. They think of her as a fake. They"}, {"start": "02:15:30", "end": "02:15:34", "text": "think of her as a charlatan. They think"}, {"start": "02:15:31", "end": "02:15:36", "text": "of her as a purveyor of phony"}, {"start": "02:15:34", "end": "02:15:39", "text": "mediamistic tricks. And what they don't"}, {"start": "02:15:36", "end": "02:15:41", "text": "realize is that our world would look"}, {"start": "02:15:39", "end": "02:15:44", "text": "radically different today without Madame"}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:48", "text": "HP. Bllovadsky. Her influence traversed"}, {"start": "02:15:44", "end": "02:15:51", "text": "the globe in the late 19th century and"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:55", "text": "resulted in the culture of spiritual"}, {"start": "02:15:51", "end": "02:15:58", "text": "search of which I am a part today. She"}, {"start": "02:15:55", "end": "02:16:00", "text": "and her colleagues reignited Buddhist"}, {"start": "02:15:58", "end": "02:16:04", "text": "practice in the east where it was"}, {"start": "02:16:00", "end": "02:16:09", "text": "withering in the nation of Sri Lanka uh"}, {"start": "02:16:04", "end": "02:16:12", "text": "even in in Japan in uh uh far-flung"}, {"start": "02:16:09", "end": "02:16:14", "text": "parts of India where vadic practice"}, {"start": "02:16:12", "end": "02:16:17", "text": "Hinduism Buddhism were being chipped"}, {"start": "02:16:14", "end": "02:16:19", "text": "away by the wellunded machinery of"}, {"start": "02:16:17", "end": "02:16:22", "text": "colonialism."}, {"start": "02:16:19", "end": "02:16:25", "text": "She and her compatriots not only revived"}, {"start": "02:16:22", "end": "02:16:27", "text": "the traditional faiths in the east, but"}, {"start": "02:16:25", "end": "02:16:29", "text": "they sent shock waves throughout the"}, {"start": "02:16:27", "end": "02:16:32", "text": "world"}, {"start": "02:16:29", "end": "02:16:35", "text": "perveying the message that there is a"}, {"start": "02:16:32", "end": "02:16:39", "text": "secret doctrine. There is an esoteric"}, {"start": "02:16:35", "end": "02:16:42", "text": "search. There is a an unknown esoteric"}, {"start": "02:16:39", "end": "02:16:44", "text": "core to religions and that it's the"}, {"start": "02:16:42", "end": "02:16:47", "text": "birthright of every individual to search"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:48", "text": "for these things. It was almost like a"}, {"start": "02:16:47", "end": "02:16:51", "text": "worldwide"}, {"start": "02:16:48", "end": "02:16:53", "text": "seismic version of what Henry David"}, {"start": "02:16:51", "end": "02:16:55", "text": "Thorough was trying to get across in"}, {"start": "02:16:53", "end": "02:16:58", "text": "Walden, but it played out on this global"}, {"start": "02:16:55", "end": "02:17:01", "text": "stage and it created the culture of"}, {"start": "02:16:58", "end": "02:17:03", "text": "search that I'm part of today."}, {"start": "02:17:01", "end": "02:17:06", "text": "What was so what was so attractive about"}, {"start": "02:17:03", "end": "02:17:08", "text": "her? Because you talk about Theorough"}, {"start": "02:17:06", "end": "02:17:10", "text": "where I don't consider him an"}, {"start": "02:17:08", "end": "02:17:11", "text": "outdoorsman at all. He's writing about"}, {"start": "02:17:10", "end": "02:17:14", "text": "the outdoors, but he wasn't much of an"}, {"start": "02:17:11", "end": "02:17:15", "text": "outdoorsman. But but Madam Bllovzky, she"}, {"start": "02:17:14", "end": "02:17:18", "text": "lived it. She lived it. She was born in"}, {"start": "02:17:15", "end": "02:17:20", "text": "Tsarist, Russia. She was part of minor"}, {"start": "02:17:18", "end": "02:17:22", "text": "nobility, but she suffered so much"}, {"start": "02:17:20", "end": "02:17:24", "text": "harassment that she had to travel in"}, {"start": "02:17:22", "end": "02:17:25", "text": "order to search."}, {"start": "02:17:24", "end": "02:17:27", "text": ">> Why harassment?"}, {"start": "02:17:25", "end": "02:17:29", "text": ">> Oh, look, in Tsarist Russia, I mean,"}, {"start": "02:17:27", "end": "02:17:32", "text": "Paradise Lost was banned under the"}, {"start": "02:17:29", "end": "02:17:33", "text": "Tsarist regime. You know, the the idea"}, {"start": "02:17:32", "end": "02:17:36", "text": "of anything that went outside the"}, {"start": "02:17:33", "end": "02:17:39", "text": "Orthodox Church was above ground"}, {"start": "02:17:36", "end": "02:17:41", "text": "considered verboten. And so, she"}, {"start": "02:17:39", "end": "02:17:43", "text": "traveled the world as she described it,"}, {"start": "02:17:41", "end": "02:17:46", "text": "searching for esoteric truths. came to"}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:49", "text": "the United States in the early 1870s was"}, {"start": "02:17:46", "end": "02:17:51", "text": "fascinated with spiritualism and seance"}, {"start": "02:17:49", "end": "02:17:53", "text": "and midnight raps. Not because she"}, {"start": "02:17:51", "end": "02:17:56", "text": "thought it was the real thing or the"}, {"start": "02:17:53", "end": "02:17:59", "text": "real McCoy, but because she said, \"Here"}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:02", "text": "is an opening. Here is a culture that is"}, {"start": "02:17:59", "end": "02:18:04", "text": "experimental. Here is a culture that for"}, {"start": "02:18:02", "end": "02:18:05", "text": "all its contradictions"}, {"start": "02:18:04", "end": "02:18:09", "text": "protects the individual search for"}, {"start": "02:18:05", "end": "02:18:11", "text": "meaning.\" And so she felt that the soil"}, {"start": "02:18:09", "end": "02:18:13", "text": "of the United States at that time was"}, {"start": "02:18:11", "end": "02:18:16", "text": "the place from which could spring a"}, {"start": "02:18:13", "end": "02:18:19", "text": "worldwide revolution in spiritual"}, {"start": "02:18:16", "end": "02:18:21", "text": "search. And she told of being advised by"}, {"start": "02:18:19", "end": "02:18:23", "text": "these mysterious adepts from the east."}, {"start": "02:18:21", "end": "02:18:25", "text": "And people felt she was inventing it,"}, {"start": "02:18:23", "end": "02:18:28", "text": "making it up. But dig this, dig this."}, {"start": "02:18:25", "end": "02:18:31", "text": "Americans at that time, Westerners in"}, {"start": "02:18:28", "end": "02:18:35", "text": "general had not really heard much about"}, {"start": "02:18:31", "end": "02:18:37", "text": "gurus and swamies and robed adepts from"}, {"start": "02:18:35", "end": "02:18:40", "text": "the east. These things were completely"}, {"start": "02:18:37", "end": "02:18:42", "text": "alien to Americans. India was considered"}, {"start": "02:18:40", "end": "02:18:46", "text": "as distant as the surface of another"}, {"start": "02:18:42", "end": "02:18:48", "text": "planet. And when such teachers who were"}, {"start": "02:18:46", "end": "02:18:50", "text": "altogether real did begin to come to"}, {"start": "02:18:48", "end": "02:18:53", "text": "America in the 1890s, then later in the"}, {"start": "02:18:50", "end": "02:18:55", "text": "19th century, we Americans were able to"}, {"start": "02:18:53", "end": "02:18:58", "text": "recognize them because of her"}, {"start": "02:18:55", "end": "02:19:01", "text": "narratives. Her narratives made it into"}, {"start": "02:18:58", "end": "02:19:04", "text": "the press. her narratives were"}, {"start": "02:19:01", "end": "02:19:06", "text": "sensationalistically treated by the"}, {"start": "02:19:04", "end": "02:19:08", "text": "media and thus introduced everyday"}, {"start": "02:19:06", "end": "02:19:12", "text": "Americans to things they might not have"}, {"start": "02:19:08", "end": "02:19:13", "text": "recognized. So when the Maharishi Mahesh"}, {"start": "02:19:12", "end": "02:19:16", "text": "Yogi came to the west to teach"}, {"start": "02:19:13", "end": "02:19:19", "text": "transcendental meditation in 1959,"}, {"start": "02:19:16", "end": "02:19:21", "text": "Americans could place him immediately"}, {"start": "02:19:19", "end": "02:19:23", "text": "and people a generation earlier from him"}, {"start": "02:19:21", "end": "02:19:24", "text": "because of the narrative that she"}, {"start": "02:19:23", "end": "02:19:25", "text": "introduced."}, {"start": "02:19:24", "end": "02:19:27", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "02:19:25", "end": "02:19:30", "text": ">> We knew, we understood something. I get"}, {"start": "02:19:27", "end": "02:19:32", "text": "it. I get it. This is one of these holy"}, {"start": "02:19:30", "end": "02:19:35", "text": "men from the east. That was an alien"}, {"start": "02:19:32", "end": "02:19:36", "text": "idea to Americans in the Victorian age."}, {"start": "02:19:35", "end": "02:19:38", "text": ">> So, how about the occult with the"}, {"start": "02:19:36", "end": "02:19:39", "text": "founding fathers? Because it's it's"}, {"start": "02:19:38", "end": "02:19:42", "text": "there, isn't there?"}, {"start": "02:19:39", "end": "02:19:44", "text": ">> Oh, it's absolutely there. Look for it"}, {"start": "02:19:42", "end": "02:19:47", "text": "in the connection of many of the"}, {"start": "02:19:44", "end": "02:19:51", "text": "founders to Freemasonry. An initiatory"}, {"start": "02:19:47", "end": "02:19:53", "text": "esoteric organization that uses"}, {"start": "02:19:51", "end": "02:19:56", "text": "symbolism as a means of teaching ethical"}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:19:59", "text": "development emerged above ground for the"}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:20:02", "text": "first time with the Grand Lodge of"}, {"start": "02:19:59", "end": "02:20:04", "text": "England in the early 1700s, but has"}, {"start": "02:20:02", "end": "02:20:07", "text": "roots that I think go back to the"}, {"start": "02:20:04", "end": "02:20:11", "text": "cathedral builders who used symbolic and"}, {"start": "02:20:07", "end": "02:20:14", "text": "pneumonic devices for memory as they"}, {"start": "02:20:11", "end": "02:20:17", "text": "were recording symbols into the great"}, {"start": "02:20:14", "end": "02:20:19", "text": "cathedrals. I think occultism"}, {"start": "02:20:17", "end": "02:20:21", "text": "emerged in different ways. I beg pardon."}, {"start": "02:20:19", "end": "02:20:23", "text": "Freemasonry emerged in different ways"}, {"start": "02:20:21", "end": "02:20:25", "text": "and through different iterations during"}, {"start": "02:20:23", "end": "02:20:29", "text": "the occult renaissance. You had certain"}, {"start": "02:20:25", "end": "02:20:30", "text": "initiatory brotherhoods and orders. Some"}, {"start": "02:20:29", "end": "02:20:32", "text": "of which might not have actually existed"}, {"start": "02:20:30", "end": "02:20:34", "text": "but might have been thought movements"}, {"start": "02:20:32", "end": "02:20:39", "text": "like Racianism. And all of this"}, {"start": "02:20:34", "end": "02:20:41", "text": "eventually converged into the initiatory"}, {"start": "02:20:39", "end": "02:20:45", "text": "order called Freemasonry. And you start"}, {"start": "02:20:41", "end": "02:20:50", "text": "to see the first telltale references"}, {"start": "02:20:45", "end": "02:20:52", "text": "1638 mid600s and then in 1717"}, {"start": "02:20:50", "end": "02:20:56", "text": "the United Lodge of England emerges"}, {"start": "02:20:52", "end": "02:20:59", "text": "above ground in London. Now many of the"}, {"start": "02:20:56", "end": "02:21:02", "text": "founders were Freemasons. This includes"}, {"start": "02:20:59", "end": "02:21:04", "text": "George Washington."}, {"start": "02:21:02", "end": "02:21:08", "text": "This includes Benjamin Franklin. This"}, {"start": "02:21:04", "end": "02:21:10", "text": "includes Paul Rivere, John Hancock, an"}, {"start": "02:21:08", "end": "02:21:12", "text": "outsized number of Washington's"}, {"start": "02:21:10", "end": "02:21:14", "text": "generals, an outsized number of the"}, {"start": "02:21:12", "end": "02:21:17", "text": "signers of the declaration, the framers"}, {"start": "02:21:14", "end": "02:21:18", "text": "of the constitution. And this is very"}, {"start": "02:21:17", "end": "02:21:20", "text": "important. People look for this"}, {"start": "02:21:18", "end": "02:21:23", "text": "conspiracy narrative in this. Look"}, {"start": "02:21:20", "end": "02:21:25", "text": "somewhere else."}, {"start": "02:21:23", "end": "02:21:28", "text": "Masonry"}, {"start": "02:21:25", "end": "02:21:31", "text": "was a radically ecumenical organization."}, {"start": "02:21:28", "end": "02:21:34", "text": "At least according to ideals, anyone who"}, {"start": "02:21:31", "end": "02:21:37", "text": "believed in a creator could be a member."}, {"start": "02:21:34", "end": "02:21:40", "text": "And it fostered a protection of the"}, {"start": "02:21:37", "end": "02:21:43", "text": "individual search for meaning, albeit"}, {"start": "02:21:40", "end": "02:21:46", "text": "within a clandestine brotherhood. Some"}, {"start": "02:21:43", "end": "02:21:49", "text": "of these ideals as they eventually got"}, {"start": "02:21:46", "end": "02:21:52", "text": "translated into law in the American"}, {"start": "02:21:49", "end": "02:21:54", "text": "colonies and finally codified into the"}, {"start": "02:21:52", "end": "02:21:57", "text": "constitution"}, {"start": "02:21:54", "end": "02:22:00", "text": "were encountered by the early founders"}, {"start": "02:21:57", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "and framers due to their affiliation"}, {"start": "02:22:00", "end": "02:22:07", "text": "with Freemasonry. We forget how agrarian"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:09", "text": "a nation America was, how rural a nation"}, {"start": "02:22:07", "end": "02:22:12", "text": "America was. We didn't have hospitals"}, {"start": "02:22:09", "end": "02:22:16", "text": "and cathedrals and libraries. We had"}, {"start": "02:22:12", "end": "02:22:19", "text": "farms, business, a graange to affiliate"}, {"start": "02:22:16", "end": "02:22:22", "text": "yourself with an initiatory order, a"}, {"start": "02:22:19", "end": "02:22:26", "text": "clandestine initiatory order that used"}, {"start": "02:22:22", "end": "02:22:29", "text": "right, ritual, a cult symbol. That was a"}, {"start": "02:22:26", "end": "02:22:32", "text": "huge commitment for an individual in an"}, {"start": "02:22:29", "end": "02:22:34", "text": "agrarian nation. It was a conveyance of"}, {"start": "02:22:32", "end": "02:22:37", "text": "ideas. It it it stands to reason there"}, {"start": "02:22:34", "end": "02:22:39", "text": "were so few ties outside of family,"}, {"start": "02:22:37", "end": "02:22:42", "text": "church, business. To attach yourself to"}, {"start": "02:22:39", "end": "02:22:45", "text": "initiatory order of that type in a rural"}, {"start": "02:22:42", "end": "02:22:47", "text": "society, I think has to be seen as a"}, {"start": "02:22:45", "end": "02:22:48", "text": "real arterial influence in a person's"}, {"start": "02:22:47", "end": "02:22:51", "text": "life."}, {"start": "02:22:48", "end": "02:22:54", "text": ">> Sure. So I am not a Freemason, but I am"}, {"start": "02:22:51", "end": "02:22:56", "text": "a great admirer of Freemasonry because I"}, {"start": "02:22:54", "end": "02:22:58", "text": "believe that affiliation"}, {"start": "02:22:56", "end": "02:23:02", "text": "introduced or helped introduce ideas"}, {"start": "02:22:58", "end": "02:23:06", "text": "into colonial life that were later"}, {"start": "02:23:02", "end": "02:23:09", "text": "codified into the Constitution."}, {"start": "02:23:06", "end": "02:23:11", "text": ">> How about Wallace's influence on the on"}, {"start": "02:23:09", "end": "02:23:13", "text": "the dollar bill?"}, {"start": "02:23:11", "end": "02:23:16", "text": ">> Absolutely wild. People want to talk"}, {"start": "02:23:13", "end": "02:23:18", "text": "about occult influences. Look at the do"}, {"start": "02:23:16", "end": "02:23:19", "text": "back of the dollar bill. mysterious eye"}, {"start": "02:23:18", "end": "02:23:23", "text": "and pyramid"}, {"start": "02:23:19", "end": "02:23:26", "text": ">> with the Latin maxim around it. Annuitus"}, {"start": "02:23:23", "end": "02:23:28", "text": "nos ordo seclorum. Providence smiles on"}, {"start": "02:23:26", "end": "02:23:31", "text": "our new order of the ages. It is not a"}, {"start": "02:23:28", "end": "02:23:33", "text": "masonic symbol per se, but I think it's"}, {"start": "02:23:31", "end": "02:23:35", "text": "fair to say that it's a leaf from"}, {"start": "02:23:33", "end": "02:23:37", "text": "Freemasonry. It's inspired by"}, {"start": "02:23:35", "end": "02:23:39", "text": "Freemasonry."}, {"start": "02:23:37", "end": "02:23:42", "text": "Um, by the way, the subcommittee that"}, {"start": "02:23:39", "end": "02:23:44", "text": "designed that"}, {"start": "02:23:42", "end": "02:23:46", "text": "beautiful, alluring symbol was chaired"}, {"start": "02:23:44", "end": "02:23:49", "text": "by none other than Benjamin Franklin"}, {"start": "02:23:46", "end": "02:23:51", "text": "himself, a Freemason."}, {"start": "02:23:49", "end": "02:23:53", "text": ">> We see the square and compass on the"}, {"start": "02:23:51", "end": "02:23:56", "text": "bill as well."}, {"start": "02:23:53", "end": "02:23:58", "text": ">> And I think that the ideals behind the"}, {"start": "02:23:56", "end": "02:24:02", "text": "image, while it's not a Masonic image,"}, {"start": "02:23:58", "end": "02:24:05", "text": "were masonic to the core. These fra"}, {"start": "02:24:02", "end": "02:24:08", "text": "framers wanted to associate the new"}, {"start": "02:24:05", "end": "02:24:11", "text": "republic with the great civilizations of"}, {"start": "02:24:08", "end": "02:24:13", "text": "antiquity. Rome, Greece, Egypt, Sparta."}, {"start": "02:24:11", "end": "02:24:15", "text": "You see it in our architecture. Just"}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:17", "text": "walk around DC. It's a temple to"}, {"start": "02:24:15", "end": "02:24:19", "text": "esoteric imagery. My god, the Library of"}, {"start": "02:24:17", "end": "02:24:22", "text": "Congress, you know, and you see it in"}, {"start": "02:24:19", "end": "02:24:25", "text": "other cities as well, Chicago, New York."}, {"start": "02:24:22", "end": "02:24:26", "text": "Um, they wanted to associate the New"}, {"start": "02:24:25", "end": "02:24:31", "text": "Republic with a great chain of"}, {"start": "02:24:26", "end": "02:24:32", "text": "civilizations that probed the search for"}, {"start": "02:24:31", "end": "02:24:35", "text": "being, that saw themselves as"}, {"start": "02:24:32", "end": "02:24:38", "text": "expressions of providence, that in some"}, {"start": "02:24:35", "end": "02:24:40", "text": "cases really did protect the individual"}, {"start": "02:24:38", "end": "02:24:42", "text": "search for meaning."}, {"start": "02:24:40", "end": "02:24:45", "text": "Rome could be a brutal conqueror, but"}, {"start": "02:24:42", "end": "02:24:47", "text": "Rome also afforded conquered peoples"}, {"start": "02:24:45", "end": "02:24:49", "text": "religious freedom and not infrequently"}, {"start": "02:24:47", "end": "02:24:52", "text": "incorporated some of their religious"}, {"start": "02:24:49", "end": "02:24:53", "text": "views into its own gods and rights and"}, {"start": "02:24:52", "end": "02:24:56", "text": "rituals."}, {"start": "02:24:53", "end": "02:24:59", "text": ">> And there were a very high set of ideals"}, {"start": "02:24:56", "end": "02:25:02", "text": "behind the design of the iron pyramid."}, {"start": "02:24:59", "end": "02:25:06", "text": "One of them being that material"}, {"start": "02:25:02", "end": "02:25:09", "text": "sustenance is incomplete without inner"}, {"start": "02:25:06", "end": "02:25:12", "text": "knowing or the eye of providence. Now"}, {"start": "02:25:09", "end": "02:25:14", "text": "this symbol which is the on the reverse"}, {"start": "02:25:12", "end": "02:25:16", "text": "of the great seal of the United States."}, {"start": "02:25:14", "end": "02:25:19", "text": "The obverse being the more familiar"}, {"start": "02:25:16", "end": "02:25:21", "text": "eagle with the"}, {"start": "02:25:19", "end": "02:25:24", "text": "um olive branches and and arrows"}, {"start": "02:25:21", "end": "02:25:28", "text": "clutched in its claws. This symbol uh"}, {"start": "02:25:24", "end": "02:25:29", "text": "was unfamiliar to most Americans until"}, {"start": "02:25:28", "end": "02:25:33", "text": "uh during the administration of Franklin"}, {"start": "02:25:29", "end": "02:25:35", "text": "Roosevelt. Roosevelt himself a Freemason"}, {"start": "02:25:33", "end": "02:25:37", "text": "and his secretary of agriculture, later"}, {"start": "02:25:35", "end": "02:25:39", "text": "his vice president, Henry Wallace,"}, {"start": "02:25:37", "end": "02:25:44", "text": "himself a Freemason, as well as a"}, {"start": "02:25:39", "end": "02:25:47", "text": "Theosophist, I should add. Um, they came"}, {"start": "02:25:44", "end": "02:25:49", "text": "up together with the idea of minting"}, {"start": "02:25:47", "end": "02:25:53", "text": "that symbol, God's smiles, on our new"}, {"start": "02:25:49", "end": "02:25:55", "text": "order of the ages, into some kind of"}, {"start": "02:25:53", "end": "02:25:58", "text": "coinage, which they thought would"}, {"start": "02:25:55", "end": "02:26:00", "text": "inspire Americans during the depression."}, {"start": "02:25:58", "end": "02:26:03", "text": "and Wallace associated New Order of the"}, {"start": "02:26:00", "end": "02:26:03", "text": "Ages with New Deal of the Ages."}, {"start": "02:26:03", "end": "02:26:05", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "02:26:03", "end": "02:26:06", "text": ">> And eventually they determined"}, {"start": "02:26:05", "end": "02:26:08", "text": "[clears throat] to place the symbol on"}, {"start": "02:26:06", "end": "02:26:11", "text": "the back of the US dollar bill. And in"}, {"start": "02:26:08", "end": "02:26:13", "text": "the US Treasury, you can find records. I"}, {"start": "02:26:11", "end": "02:26:16", "text": "write about this in my book, Occult"}, {"start": "02:26:13", "end": "02:26:18", "text": "America. You can find records of"}, {"start": "02:26:16", "end": "02:26:21", "text": "Roosevelt's own handwriting supervising"}, {"start": "02:26:18", "end": "02:26:24", "text": "the placement of the mysterious iron"}, {"start": "02:26:21", "end": "02:26:25", "text": "pyramid on the back of our dollar bill,"}, {"start": "02:26:24", "end": "02:26:27", "text": "where it appeared for the first time in"}, {"start": "02:26:25", "end": "02:26:29", "text": "1935."}, {"start": "02:26:27", "end": "02:26:32", "text": "And for the very first time, the mass of"}, {"start": "02:26:29", "end": "02:26:35", "text": "Americans became familiar with this"}, {"start": "02:26:32", "end": "02:26:37", "text": "esoteric and yes, occult symbol that"}, {"start": "02:26:35", "end": "02:26:38", "text": "previously had been just used for"}, {"start": "02:26:37", "end": "02:26:40", "text": "official business and was relatively"}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:42", "text": "unknown. I think it's one of the most"}, {"start": "02:26:40", "end": "02:26:46", "text": "beautiful"}, {"start": "02:26:42", "end": "02:26:47", "text": "expressions of ideals at the founding of"}, {"start": "02:26:46", "end": "02:26:49", "text": "this nation."}, {"start": "02:26:47", "end": "02:26:50", "text": ">> So a cult, we're really just talking"}, {"start": "02:26:49", "end": "02:26:52", "text": "about hidden knowledge."}, {"start": "02:26:50", "end": "02:26:54", "text": ">> Hidden knowledge, nothing more."}, {"start": "02:26:52", "end": "02:26:57", "text": ">> It's hidden. It's secret because it was"}, {"start": "02:26:54", "end": "02:26:58", "text": "left to decay. It was left to neglect."}, {"start": "02:26:57", "end": "02:27:00", "text": "Is there a hidden history? Of course"}, {"start": "02:26:58", "end": "02:27:03", "text": "there is. We're talking about Gandhi and"}, {"start": "02:27:00", "end": "02:27:04", "text": "Blovatki. You won't learn about that in"}, {"start": "02:27:03", "end": "02:27:06", "text": "most biographies of Gandhi. You'll see"}, {"start": "02:27:04", "end": "02:27:09", "text": "maybe scant mention of Madame"}, {"start": "02:27:06", "end": "02:27:12", "text": "Bllovvatsky, if that at all. It's not"}, {"start": "02:27:09", "end": "02:27:15", "text": "hidden because it's it's concealed. It's"}, {"start": "02:27:12", "end": "02:27:15", "text": "hidden because it's neglected."}, {"start": "02:27:16", "end": "02:27:20", "text": ">> I want to change gears for a quick"}, {"start": "02:27:17", "end": "02:27:22", "text": "second. I think I saw in one of your"}, {"start": "02:27:20", "end": "02:27:24", "text": "books, maybe this one, mentioning Daryl"}, {"start": "02:27:22", "end": "02:27:27", "text": "Beam's work. Oh, I am a big admire of"}, {"start": "02:27:24", "end": "02:27:30", "text": "Daryl Ben, great parasychologist."}, {"start": "02:27:27", "end": "02:27:32", "text": "Daryl is a clinical psychologist at"}, {"start": "02:27:30", "end": "02:27:35", "text": "Cornell University."}, {"start": "02:27:32", "end": "02:27:37", "text": ">> He conducted an extraordinary decade of"}, {"start": "02:27:35", "end": "02:27:41", "text": "experiments which he published as a"}, {"start": "02:27:37", "end": "02:27:44", "text": "paper in 2011. And these experiments"}, {"start": "02:27:41", "end": "02:27:48", "text": "were into the question of precognition."}, {"start": "02:27:44", "end": "02:27:50", "text": "and he found evidence of precognition in"}, {"start": "02:27:48", "end": "02:27:54", "text": "a very stringently designed series of"}, {"start": "02:27:50", "end": "02:27:57", "text": "experiments in which people were shown"}, {"start": "02:27:54", "end": "02:27:58", "text": "images that were meant to elicit a"}, {"start": "02:27:57", "end": "02:28:01", "text": "bodily response. They could be violent"}, {"start": "02:27:58", "end": "02:28:03", "text": "images or they could be erotic images."}, {"start": "02:28:01", "end": "02:28:06", "text": "And what he found was that moments"}, {"start": "02:28:03", "end": "02:28:09", "text": "before the image was displayed, the"}, {"start": "02:28:06", "end": "02:28:12", "text": "bodily response would begin to manifest"}, {"start": "02:28:09", "end": "02:28:15", "text": "like secretion of sweat or adrenaline or"}, {"start": "02:28:12", "end": "02:28:18", "text": "something of that nature. But in these"}, {"start": "02:28:15", "end": "02:28:20", "text": "experiments, he also included two"}, {"start": "02:28:18", "end": "02:28:23", "text": "radically and remarkably innovative"}, {"start": "02:28:20", "end": "02:28:26", "text": "experiments which caused tremendous"}, {"start": "02:28:23", "end": "02:28:29", "text": "controversy and which have since"}, {"start": "02:28:26", "end": "02:28:33", "text": "skeptics be damned been widely repeated"}, {"start": "02:28:29", "end": "02:28:36", "text": "and validated in meta analyses."}, {"start": "02:28:33", "end": "02:28:40", "text": "Daryl found evidence for what I'll call"}, {"start": "02:28:36", "end": "02:28:43", "text": "cognitive retrocausality. In short, in"}, {"start": "02:28:40", "end": "02:28:46", "text": "short, he found that if people were"}, {"start": "02:28:43", "end": "02:28:47", "text": "given very simple memorization exams,"}, {"start": "02:28:46", "end": "02:28:49", "text": "they would get your average score,"}, {"start": "02:28:47", "end": "02:28:52", "text": "nothing surprising, nothing out of"}, {"start": "02:28:49", "end": "02:28:55", "text": "bounds. If you introduced a wrinkle to"}, {"start": "02:28:52", "end": "02:28:58", "text": "the experiment and you asked subjects to"}, {"start": "02:28:55", "end": "02:29:01", "text": "continue studying after the fact, after"}, {"start": "02:28:58", "end": "02:29:05", "text": "they took an exam, their scores would"}, {"start": "02:29:01", "end": "02:29:08", "text": "spike by a slight statistical degree,"}, {"start": "02:29:05", "end": "02:29:08", "text": "but actually a significant statistical"}, {"start": "02:29:08", "end": "02:29:09", "text": "degree"}, {"start": "02:29:08", "end": "02:29:11", "text": ">> beyond random."}, {"start": "02:29:09", "end": "02:29:13", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely beyond random, hands"}, {"start": "02:29:11", "end": "02:29:16", "text": "down, of maybe 2%. Something of that"}, {"start": "02:29:13", "end": "02:29:18", "text": "nature. not Zeus throwing lightning"}, {"start": "02:29:16", "end": "02:29:21", "text": "bolts to Earth, but something considered"}, {"start": "02:29:18", "end": "02:29:24", "text": "very statistically significant within"}, {"start": "02:29:21", "end": "02:29:27", "text": "the schema of cognitive psychology. And"}, {"start": "02:29:24", "end": "02:29:29", "text": "Daryl reasoned that there is in effect a"}, {"start": "02:29:27", "end": "02:29:31", "text": "reaching backwards"}, {"start": "02:29:29", "end": "02:29:32", "text": "in time"}, {"start": "02:29:31", "end": "02:29:35", "text": ">> in time"}, {"start": "02:29:32", "end": "02:29:38", "text": ">> in time of people's uh uh uh functional"}, {"start": "02:29:35", "end": "02:29:40", "text": "ability in this case cognitive ability"}, {"start": "02:29:38", "end": "02:29:42", "text": "on memory exams. And of course there"}, {"start": "02:29:40", "end": "02:29:45", "text": "were howls of protest even though"}, {"start": "02:29:42", "end": "02:29:48", "text": "Daryl's paper was heavily vetted and"}, {"start": "02:29:45", "end": "02:29:52", "text": "published in a standard journal of"}, {"start": "02:29:48", "end": "02:29:54", "text": "social psychology with no sympathies"}, {"start": "02:29:52", "end": "02:29:55", "text": "towards his thesis."}, {"start": "02:29:54", "end": "02:29:56", "text": ">> That's true. He just said this is what"}, {"start": "02:29:55", "end": "02:29:57", "text": "happened."}, {"start": "02:29:56", "end": "02:30:00", "text": ">> He said this is what happened. He"}, {"start": "02:29:57", "end": "02:30:03", "text": "documented it stringently. There was so"}, {"start": "02:30:00", "end": "02:30:06", "text": "much calumny directed against him. So"}, {"start": "02:30:03", "end": "02:30:08", "text": "much misinformation. And you can read it"}, {"start": "02:30:06", "end": "02:30:11", "text": ">> on Wikipedia. the home of misinformation"}, {"start": "02:30:08", "end": "02:30:12", "text": "about parasychology. The home of it."}, {"start": "02:30:11", "end": "02:30:15", "text": ">> Great place to learn about the"}, {"start": "02:30:12", "end": "02:30:18", "text": "Napoleonic Wars. Terrible place to learn"}, {"start": "02:30:15", "end": "02:30:20", "text": "about parasychology. It spiked."}, {"start": "02:30:18", "end": "02:30:22", "text": ">> Um that's due to uh activist editors who"}, {"start": "02:30:20", "end": "02:30:25", "text": "are dedicated to discrediting any"}, {"start": "02:30:22", "end": "02:30:27", "text": "parasychological studies regardless of"}, {"start": "02:30:25", "end": "02:30:30", "text": "excellence in methodology and"}, {"start": "02:30:27", "end": "02:30:31", "text": "replication. And these these are facts."}, {"start": "02:30:30", "end": "02:30:33", "text": "That's why my books are heavily"}, {"start": "02:30:31", "end": "02:30:36", "text": "footnoted. And I ask people to go to my"}, {"start": "02:30:33", "end": "02:30:38", "text": "footnotes, look at my footnotes, and"}, {"start": "02:30:36", "end": "02:30:40", "text": "hold my feet to the fire if I am"}, {"start": "02:30:38", "end": "02:30:42", "text": "exaggerating because that's not my wish."}, {"start": "02:30:40", "end": "02:30:44", "text": ">> Well, let's detour for a quick second."}, {"start": "02:30:42", "end": "02:30:47", "text": "Why Why is there a professional skeptic"}, {"start": "02:30:44", "end": "02:30:50", "text": "industry? What why is that useful?"}, {"start": "02:30:47", "end": "02:30:53", "text": "It seems to me that the ultimate sin"}, {"start": "02:30:50", "end": "02:30:56", "text": "within western intellectual culture is"}, {"start": "02:30:53", "end": "02:31:00", "text": "to say that anything extraysical or"}, {"start": "02:30:56", "end": "02:31:05", "text": "spiritual or religious has any empirical"}, {"start": "02:31:00", "end": "02:31:07", "text": "concrete impact on our normal tactile"}, {"start": "02:31:05", "end": "02:31:12", "text": "world. You can talk about religion in"}, {"start": "02:31:07", "end": "02:31:14", "text": "terms of myth, meaning theology."}, {"start": "02:31:12", "end": "02:31:17", "text": "The minute you cross the bridge of"}, {"start": "02:31:14", "end": "02:31:20", "text": "suggesting that anything extra physical,"}, {"start": "02:31:17", "end": "02:31:23", "text": "let's say precognition, has some actual"}, {"start": "02:31:20", "end": "02:31:26", "text": "impact on our world, regardless of how"}, {"start": "02:31:23", "end": "02:31:29", "text": "stringently the evidence is gathered,"}, {"start": "02:31:26", "end": "02:31:33", "text": "vetted, analyzed, replicated, you are"}, {"start": "02:31:29", "end": "02:31:38", "text": "cast out. That is the one unforgivable"}, {"start": "02:31:33", "end": "02:31:40", "text": "sin within opinion making lettered"}, {"start": "02:31:38", "end": "02:31:42", "text": "culture."}, {"start": "02:31:40", "end": "02:31:44", "text": "primary reference material, wiki, first"}, {"start": "02:31:42", "end": "02:31:47", "text": "and foremost,"}, {"start": "02:31:44", "end": "02:31:50", "text": "social sciences, mainstream journalism,"}, {"start": "02:31:47", "end": "02:31:51", "text": "mainstream letters."}, {"start": "02:31:50", "end": "02:31:53", "text": "It's a point of view that's"}, {"start": "02:31:51", "end": "02:31:55", "text": "unsustainable because the evidence is"}, {"start": "02:31:53", "end": "02:31:57", "text": "just so strong. We could do a whole show"}, {"start": "02:31:55", "end": "02:32:00", "text": "on Daryl's research. It's extraordinary"}, {"start": "02:31:57", "end": "02:32:03", "text": "and its replication has proven beyond"}, {"start": "02:32:00", "end": "02:32:07", "text": "any reasonable doubt that these were not"}, {"start": "02:32:03", "end": "02:32:09", "text": "chance hits or accidents. His"}, {"start": "02:32:07", "end": "02:32:11", "text": "research has been proven confirmatory in"}, {"start": "02:32:09", "end": "02:32:15", "text": "a metaanalysis"}, {"start": "02:32:11", "end": "02:32:18", "text": "involving 90 trials in 33 different"}, {"start": "02:32:15", "end": "02:32:21", "text": "nations in 14 different labs. We don't"}, {"start": "02:32:18", "end": "02:32:22", "text": "even have that kind of data for aspirin."}, {"start": "02:32:21", "end": "02:32:24", "text": "[laughter] And [clears throat]"}, {"start": "02:32:22", "end": "02:32:25", "text": "these numbers are hardcore numbers."}, {"start": "02:32:24", "end": "02:32:27", "text": "Doesn't mean that every experiment"}, {"start": "02:32:25", "end": "02:32:28", "text": "replicated his work. It did not."}, {"start": "02:32:27", "end": "02:32:30", "text": ">> It did not."}, {"start": "02:32:28", "end": "02:32:32", "text": ">> But what a metaanalysis does is it"}, {"start": "02:32:30", "end": "02:32:34", "text": "doesn't seek uniform replication. It"}, {"start": "02:32:32", "end": "02:32:35", "text": "seeks to mitigate against accident or"}, {"start": "02:32:34", "end": "02:32:38", "text": "happen stance. Right."}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:40", "text": ">> And as that goes, his data is"}, {"start": "02:32:38", "end": "02:32:43", "text": "bulletproof and replicated. I urge"}, {"start": "02:32:40", "end": "02:32:45", "text": "people to go into my footnotes and tell"}, {"start": "02:32:43", "end": "02:32:49", "text": "me where I'm exaggerating. Tell me where"}, {"start": "02:32:45", "end": "02:32:52", "text": "I've stuck my neck out too far because I"}, {"start": "02:32:49", "end": "02:32:56", "text": "am as dedicated to verity in describing"}, {"start": "02:32:52", "end": "02:32:59", "text": "these results as pseudo skeptics are to"}, {"start": "02:32:56", "end": "02:33:01", "text": "spiking them. So hold me hold my feet to"}, {"start": "02:32:59", "end": "02:33:04", "text": "the fire. What Daryl discovered is"}, {"start": "02:33:01", "end": "02:33:05", "text": "extraordinary. and he and Dean Raiden"}, {"start": "02:33:04", "end": "02:33:08", "text": "and other people who work in the"}, {"start": "02:33:05", "end": "02:33:11", "text": "parasychology field who are few. They"}, {"start": "02:33:08", "end": "02:33:14", "text": "are people of methodological"}, {"start": "02:33:11", "end": "02:33:16", "text": "excellence and there is a professional"}, {"start": "02:33:14", "end": "02:33:19", "text": "skeptic apparatus or pseudoskeepic or"}, {"start": "02:33:16", "end": "02:33:22", "text": "pseudorationalist apparatus that cannot"}, {"start": "02:33:19", "end": "02:33:24", "text": "tolerate it and they cannot tolerate it"}, {"start": "02:33:22", "end": "02:33:26", "text": "for reasons of sentiment which is"}, {"start": "02:33:24", "end": "02:33:27", "text": "because the data doesn't mean anything"}, {"start": "02:33:26", "end": "02:33:29", "text": "to them and in most cases they don't"}, {"start": "02:33:27", "end": "02:33:31", "text": "even know the data. They can't tolerate"}, {"start": "02:33:29", "end": "02:33:34", "text": "it because they will not accept the"}, {"start": "02:33:31", "end": "02:33:37", "text": "divide of"}, {"start": "02:33:34", "end": "02:33:39", "text": "extraphysical effect crossing into"}, {"start": "02:33:37", "end": "02:33:42", "text": "tactile world. They don't believe in the"}, {"start": "02:33:39", "end": "02:33:43", "text": "extraysical. It's a matter of religious"}, {"start": "02:33:42", "end": "02:33:46", "text": "secular"}, {"start": "02:33:43", "end": "02:33:47", "text": "religious faith for them. They're I've"}, {"start": "02:33:46", "end": "02:33:48", "text": "seen materialist."}, {"start": "02:33:47", "end": "02:33:50", "text": ">> I've seen critiques of your book that"}, {"start": "02:33:48", "end": "02:33:52", "text": "I've read and I've read"}, {"start": "02:33:50", "end": "02:33:54", "text": ">> this guy didn't read the book."}, {"start": "02:33:52", "end": "02:33:54", "text": ">> This is a critique. He didn't read the"}, {"start": "02:33:54", "end": "02:33:55", "text": "book"}, {"start": "02:33:54", "end": "02:33:56", "text": ">> and won't debate me."}, {"start": "02:33:55", "end": "02:33:59", "text": ">> Won't debate you."}, {"start": "02:33:56", "end": "02:34:01", "text": ">> They run from me. I have challenged any"}, {"start": "02:33:59", "end": "02:34:05", "text": "number of credentialed skeptics to"}, {"start": "02:34:01", "end": "02:34:08", "text": "debates. They run. They run because the"}, {"start": "02:34:05", "end": "02:34:10", "text": "data is tough. It's hard one. It's not"}, {"start": "02:34:08", "end": "02:34:10", "text": "easy to get your mind around this stuff."}, {"start": "02:34:10", "end": "02:34:12", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "02:34:10", "end": "02:34:14", "text": ">> You know, you really have to go deep"}, {"start": "02:34:12", "end": "02:34:17", "text": "into this data to understand its"}, {"start": "02:34:14", "end": "02:34:18", "text": "validity and replication."}, {"start": "02:34:17", "end": "02:34:21", "text": "And uh if you're going to do a hit-and-"}, {"start": "02:34:18", "end": "02:34:22", "text": "run attack, I'm not the guy you want to"}, {"start": "02:34:21", "end": "02:34:24", "text": "be sitting across from."}, {"start": "02:34:22", "end": "02:34:26", "text": ">> No, you're not. Um, and it's it's so"}, {"start": "02:34:24", "end": "02:34:28", "text": "astounding because we've all had"}, {"start": "02:34:26", "end": "02:34:30", "text": "synchronicities or coincidence. We've"}, {"start": "02:34:28", "end": "02:34:31", "text": "all experienced it. They have as well"}, {"start": "02:34:30", "end": "02:34:32", "text": "and they're denying it."}, {"start": "02:34:31", "end": "02:34:36", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "02:34:32", "end": "02:34:38", "text": ">> So, tell me about manifestation in the"}, {"start": "02:34:36", "end": "02:34:40", "text": "future if I'm a Thai boxer."}, {"start": "02:34:38", "end": "02:34:41", "text": ">> Oh, this is very interesting. There's a"}, {"start": "02:34:40", "end": "02:34:43", "text": ">> This is wild."}, {"start": "02:34:41", "end": "02:34:46", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a Thai"}, {"start": "02:34:43", "end": "02:34:50", "text": "kickboxer named Spencer Hanley, champion"}, {"start": "02:34:46", "end": "02:34:52", "text": "fighter, and he was nine days out from a"}, {"start": "02:34:50", "end": "02:34:54", "text": "championship bout. and he said, \"I'm"}, {"start": "02:34:52", "end": "02:34:56", "text": "feeling really good about my training,"}, {"start": "02:34:54", "end": "02:35:00", "text": "but I wonder if you could recommend"}, {"start": "02:34:56", "end": "02:35:02", "text": "something that will strengthen my mental"}, {"start": "02:35:00", "end": "02:35:05", "text": "game.\" And so I gave him an exercise,"}, {"start": "02:35:02", "end": "02:35:07", "text": "very simple, very ordinary exercise"}, {"start": "02:35:05", "end": "02:35:10", "text": "called the 30-day mental challenge,"}, {"start": "02:35:07", "end": "02:35:12", "text": "which just involves directing your"}, {"start": "02:35:10", "end": "02:35:14", "text": "thoughts to the degree possible along"}, {"start": "02:35:12", "end": "02:35:18", "text": "productive lines for 30 days. I'm I'm"}, {"start": "02:35:14", "end": "02:35:21", "text": "simplifying it, but that's the basic uh"}, {"start": "02:35:18", "end": "02:35:23", "text": "gist of it. And so he said to me, \"Well,"}, {"start": "02:35:21", "end": "02:35:25", "text": "look, uh, I like this and I'm going to"}, {"start": "02:35:23", "end": "02:35:26", "text": "do it, but this is 30 days. I need"}, {"start": "02:35:25", "end": "02:35:29", "text": "something that's going to prep me for a"}, {"start": "02:35:26", "end": "02:35:31", "text": "fight that's 9 days away.\" And I said to"}, {"start": "02:35:29", "end": "02:35:33", "text": "him, \"Spencer, this will prep you for"}, {"start": "02:35:31", "end": "02:35:36", "text": "it.\" And I walked him through Daryl"}, {"start": "02:35:33", "end": "02:35:38", "text": "Bem's research. I walked him through the"}, {"start": "02:35:36", "end": "02:35:42", "text": "replication of the research. I walked"}, {"start": "02:35:38", "end": "02:35:46", "text": "him through the warranted belief that"}, {"start": "02:35:42", "end": "02:35:48", "text": "Daryl's research deserves. And I said to"}, {"start": "02:35:46", "end": "02:35:50", "text": "him, \"Working on your mental game after"}, {"start": "02:35:48", "end": "02:35:53", "text": "the fight is very likely to have a"}, {"start": "02:35:50", "end": "02:35:56", "text": "cognitive reachback effect that improves"}, {"start": "02:35:53", "end": "02:35:58", "text": "your mental game during the fight.\" And"}, {"start": "02:35:56", "end": "02:36:00", "text": "I said, \"If nothing else, I can assure"}, {"start": "02:35:58", "end": "02:36:02", "text": "you your opponent's coaches are not"}, {"start": "02:36:00", "end": "02:36:04", "text": "talking to him about retrocausality.\""}, {"start": "02:36:02", "end": "02:36:06", "text": "They're not. I promise. [laughter] And"}, {"start": "02:36:04", "end": "02:36:07", "text": "so, [gasps]"}, {"start": "02:36:06", "end": "02:36:09", "text": ">> so he did it."}, {"start": "02:36:07", "end": "02:36:11", "text": ">> And you can you can you can watch the"}, {"start": "02:36:09", "end": "02:36:14", "text": "fight on YouTube. It was a championship"}, {"start": "02:36:11", "end": "02:36:15", "text": "bout outside of Houston. He came out. I"}, {"start": "02:36:14", "end": "02:36:17", "text": "don't know why. He was wearing a"}, {"start": "02:36:15", "end": "02:36:18", "text": "Hawaiian lay around his neck."}, {"start": "02:36:17", "end": "02:36:21", "text": ">> Very relaxed,"}, {"start": "02:36:18", "end": "02:36:23", "text": ">> right? Relaxed, at ease, in good humor,"}, {"start": "02:36:21", "end": "02:36:25", "text": "respectful to his opponent, but he was"}, {"start": "02:36:23", "end": "02:36:28", "text": "in command from the bell. He was in"}, {"start": "02:36:25", "end": "02:36:30", "text": "command, and he won handily."}, {"start": "02:36:28", "end": "02:36:32", "text": ">> Now, for his entry music, the fighters"}, {"start": "02:36:30", "end": "02:36:34", "text": "can choose their own entry music, and"}, {"start": "02:36:32", "end": "02:36:36", "text": "usually they'll choose this ear bleeding"}, {"start": "02:36:34", "end": "02:36:39", "text": "drill rap or techno metal."}, {"start": "02:36:36", "end": "02:36:41", "text": ">> He chose the Belinda Carile song, Heaven"}, {"start": "02:36:39", "end": "02:36:42", "text": "is a Place on Earth. And one of the ring"}, {"start": "02:36:41", "end": "02:36:45", "text": "announcers said, \"The fact that he's"}, {"start": "02:36:42", "end": "02:36:46", "text": "coming out to Belinda Carlile makes me"}, {"start": "02:36:45", "end": "02:36:49", "text": "so happy."}, {"start": "02:36:46", "end": "02:36:52", "text": "This is the simple truth."}, {"start": "02:36:49", "end": "02:36:54", "text": "Two days later, I had not written about"}, {"start": "02:36:52", "end": "02:36:58", "text": "this, talked about this, mentioned this"}, {"start": "02:36:54", "end": "02:37:01", "text": "to anybody. Blinda Carile,"}, {"start": "02:36:58", "end": "02:37:02", "text": "who I've been in love with since age 17,"}, {"start": "02:37:01", "end": "02:37:06", "text": ">> sure,"}, {"start": "02:37:02", "end": "02:37:08", "text": ">> leaves me two voicemails telling me, \"I"}, {"start": "02:37:06", "end": "02:37:10", "text": "just want you to know I've been reading"}, {"start": "02:37:08", "end": "02:37:11", "text": "your work and I really like it and I'm a"}, {"start": "02:37:10", "end": "02:37:12", "text": "fan and you know, bravo to you for what"}, {"start": "02:37:11", "end": "02:37:16", "text": "you do.\""}, {"start": "02:37:12", "end": "02:37:17", "text": ">> I mean, I dying happy 3 2 1,"}, {"start": "02:37:16", "end": "02:37:19", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:37:17", "end": "02:37:21", "text": ">> The whole confluence of events was just"}, {"start": "02:37:19", "end": "02:37:23", "text": "extraordinary. That's the only way I can"}, {"start": "02:37:21", "end": "02:37:26", "text": "describe it. There are these hidden"}, {"start": "02:37:23", "end": "02:37:29", "text": "tendrils. And when we catch a glimpse of"}, {"start": "02:37:26", "end": "02:37:32", "text": "these hidden tendrils, we know that that"}, {"start": "02:37:29", "end": "02:37:33", "text": "life is not just cognition and and motor"}, {"start": "02:37:32", "end": "02:37:34", "text": "skill. It's it's something else."}, {"start": "02:37:33", "end": "02:37:35", "text": ">> It has to be."}, {"start": "02:37:34", "end": "02:37:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:37:35", "end": "02:37:40", "text": ">> I just think it's so funny that we've"}, {"start": "02:37:38", "end": "02:37:41", "text": "got black flag, circle jerks, dead"}, {"start": "02:37:40", "end": "02:37:43", "text": "Kennedys, but there's always room for"}, {"start": "02:37:41", "end": "02:37:45", "text": "Belinda Carlile."}, {"start": "02:37:43", "end": "02:37:47", "text": ">> There is always room for And I love her."}, {"start": "02:37:45", "end": "02:37:48", "text": "Listen, she came out of punk. The Go-Os"}, {"start": "02:37:47", "end": "02:37:50", "text": "came out of punk. So she's from"}, {"start": "02:37:48", "end": "02:37:51", "text": ">> Say that. Anyone who says the go-os"}, {"start": "02:37:50", "end": "02:37:54", "text": "didn't rock is wrong."}, {"start": "02:37:51", "end": "02:37:56", "text": ">> Oh, totally. I love them. They upended"}, {"start": "02:37:54", "end": "02:37:58", "text": "things when I was 16, 17."}, {"start": "02:37:56", "end": "02:38:00", "text": ">> Uh, we had all had them on our walls."}, {"start": "02:37:58", "end": "02:38:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:38:00", "end": "02:38:07", "text": ">> There was something"}, {"start": "02:38:03", "end": "02:38:08", "text": "in the rules that"}, {"start": "02:38:07", "end": "02:38:08", "text": "really struck me."}, {"start": "02:38:08", "end": "02:38:11", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:38:08", "end": "02:38:12", "text": ">> And it was about forgiveness."}, {"start": "02:38:11", "end": "02:38:13", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:38:12", "end": "02:38:14", "text": ">> You know what I'm talking about."}, {"start": "02:38:13", "end": "02:38:16", "text": ">> Don't come to horror what's for"}, {"start": "02:38:14", "end": "02:38:17", "text": "forgiveness. No, I I'm not against"}, {"start": "02:38:16", "end": "02:38:19", "text": "forgiveness, but I'm against it as a"}, {"start": "02:38:17", "end": "02:38:20", "text": "blanket rule. Well, I think it gets uh"}, {"start": "02:38:19", "end": "02:38:23", "text": "presented to to us."}, {"start": "02:38:20", "end": "02:38:26", "text": ">> I liked it is if someone causes you"}, {"start": "02:38:23", "end": "02:38:26", "text": "trauma, you have no you don't have to"}, {"start": "02:38:26", "end": "02:38:29", "text": "forgive that."}, {"start": "02:38:26", "end": "02:38:32", "text": ">> You don't have to for you can abide. I"}, {"start": "02:38:29", "end": "02:38:35", "text": "council abiding versus forgiving. I"}, {"start": "02:38:32", "end": "02:38:37", "text": "think that forgiveness through"}, {"start": "02:38:35", "end": "02:38:41", "text": "conditioning has been presented to us as"}, {"start": "02:38:37", "end": "02:38:43", "text": "this indispensable spiritual law. And I"}, {"start": "02:38:41", "end": "02:38:46", "text": "dispute that because I think it can tear"}, {"start": "02:38:43", "end": "02:38:50", "text": "a person too. When a person has suffered"}, {"start": "02:38:46", "end": "02:38:50", "text": "trauma as as we all have,"}, {"start": "02:38:50", "end": "02:38:57", "text": "let that be refining. Let that be a go"}, {"start": "02:38:54", "end": "02:39:00", "text": "to something better. Let that be a a"}, {"start": "02:38:57", "end": "02:39:03", "text": "profound realization that hits me with"}, {"start": "02:39:00", "end": "02:39:06", "text": "the force of never wanting if I'm if I'm"}, {"start": "02:39:03", "end": "02:39:09", "text": "able to visit such a thing on another"}, {"start": "02:39:06", "end": "02:39:11", "text": "person. But forgiving, if it comes"}, {"start": "02:39:09", "end": "02:39:13", "text": "natural to you and you so wish, then by"}, {"start": "02:39:11", "end": "02:39:16", "text": "all means. But I don't think forgiveness"}, {"start": "02:39:13", "end": "02:39:20", "text": "is this absolutely necessary escape"}, {"start": "02:39:16", "end": "02:39:22", "text": "hatch or this must pass through tollgate"}, {"start": "02:39:20", "end": "02:39:25", "text": "before going on to something higher and"}, {"start": "02:39:22", "end": "02:39:27", "text": "greater and better. I don't see it as a"}, {"start": "02:39:25", "end": "02:39:31", "text": "spiritual law. I don't see it as an"}, {"start": "02:39:27", "end": "02:39:33", "text": "ethical imperative. I see it as an idea"}, {"start": "02:39:31", "end": "02:39:36", "text": "that might fit some situations and not"}, {"start": "02:39:33", "end": "02:39:39", "text": "others. And although I venerate the 12"}, {"start": "02:39:36", "end": "02:39:40", "text": "steps and I venerate modern teachings"}, {"start": "02:39:39", "end": "02:39:42", "text": "like Course in Miracles, the channel"}, {"start": "02:39:40", "end": "02:39:44", "text": "text and I re"}, {"start": "02:39:42", "end": "02:39:44", "text": ">> you've narrated the 12 steps, haven't"}, {"start": "02:39:44", "end": "02:39:47", "text": "you?"}, {"start": "02:39:44", "end": "02:39:47", "text": ">> Yes, I have. One of the proudest acts of"}, {"start": "02:39:47", "end": "02:39:48", "text": "my career."}, {"start": "02:39:47", "end": "02:39:50", "text": ">> It should be"}, {"start": "02:39:48", "end": "02:39:52", "text": ">> one of the proudest acts of my career. I"}, {"start": "02:39:50", "end": "02:39:54", "text": "love Bill Wilson and I venerate the 12"}, {"start": "02:39:52", "end": "02:39:57", "text": "steps. But I don't want people to feel"}, {"start": "02:39:54", "end": "02:39:59", "text": "blocked off from spiritual paths like"}, {"start": "02:39:57", "end": "02:40:01", "text": "that. If forgiveness presents a problem,"}, {"start": "02:39:59", "end": "02:40:03", "text": "I understand the rationale and if it"}, {"start": "02:40:01", "end": "02:40:05", "text": "works for the individual, I am first in"}, {"start": "02:40:03", "end": "02:40:07", "text": "line to shake that person's hand, but I"}, {"start": "02:40:05", "end": "02:40:08", "text": "don't want people to feel like"}, {"start": "02:40:07", "end": "02:40:12", "text": "spirituality"}, {"start": "02:40:08", "end": "02:40:15", "text": "has rules that make it necessary to pass"}, {"start": "02:40:12", "end": "02:40:19", "text": "go before you can do something else. I"}, {"start": "02:40:15", "end": "02:40:21", "text": "think that suffering can be a a go. It"}, {"start": "02:40:19", "end": "02:40:22", "text": "can be abided. Doesn't have to be"}, {"start": "02:40:21", "end": "02:40:24", "text": "forgiven."}, {"start": "02:40:22", "end": "02:40:26", "text": "There's going to be a lot of people who"}, {"start": "02:40:24", "end": "02:40:29", "text": "are kind of happy to hear that because"}, {"start": "02:40:26", "end": "02:40:31", "text": "they're maybe it's a woman who was"}, {"start": "02:40:29", "end": "02:40:33", "text": "attacked and she feels like"}, {"start": "02:40:31", "end": "02:40:34", "text": ">> I'm not a good person because I can't"}, {"start": "02:40:33", "end": "02:40:37", "text": "forgive what happened to me."}, {"start": "02:40:34", "end": "02:40:38", "text": ">> And my heart goes out to that person."}, {"start": "02:40:37", "end": "02:40:42", "text": ">> She is."}, {"start": "02:40:38", "end": "02:40:45", "text": ">> She is. She is. I have witnessed seekers"}, {"start": "02:40:42", "end": "02:40:47", "text": "torn in two because they're told you"}, {"start": "02:40:45", "end": "02:40:50", "text": "have to use this language. You have to"}, {"start": "02:40:47", "end": "02:40:53", "text": "use language of forgiveness or service"}, {"start": "02:40:50", "end": "02:40:56", "text": "or thy will be done or something else or"}, {"start": "02:40:53", "end": "02:40:58", "text": "non-attachment, non-identification,"}, {"start": "02:40:56", "end": "02:41:02", "text": "personality versus essence. These things"}, {"start": "02:40:58", "end": "02:41:04", "text": "as I see it are all"}, {"start": "02:41:02", "end": "02:41:06", "text": "they're artifice. They're human"}, {"start": "02:41:04", "end": "02:41:09", "text": "constructions. All religions"}, {"start": "02:41:06", "end": "02:41:14", "text": "have been created at the hands of human"}, {"start": "02:41:09", "end": "02:41:16", "text": "beings and they all derive from a"}, {"start": "02:41:14", "end": "02:41:18", "text": "certain time and place to whose needs"}, {"start": "02:41:16", "end": "02:41:21", "text": "they responded. So most of our"}, {"start": "02:41:18", "end": "02:41:24", "text": "religions, for example, came out of"}, {"start": "02:41:21", "end": "02:41:27", "text": "highly stratified castbased societies"}, {"start": "02:41:24", "end": "02:41:31", "text": "where a person had no greater likelihood"}, {"start": "02:41:27", "end": "02:41:34", "text": "of exiting the cast into which he or she"}, {"start": "02:41:31", "end": "02:41:36", "text": "was born than walking the surface of"}, {"start": "02:41:34", "end": "02:41:39", "text": "another planet. And [snorts] the"}, {"start": "02:41:36", "end": "02:41:41", "text": "religions, Abrahamic religion, Vadic"}, {"start": "02:41:39", "end": "02:41:44", "text": "religions sought to compensate for that"}, {"start": "02:41:41", "end": "02:41:48", "text": "by forecasting deliverance in some"}, {"start": "02:41:44", "end": "02:41:51", "text": "future state of being. That is a"}, {"start": "02:41:48", "end": "02:41:53", "text": "response to the predicament of an age"}, {"start": "02:41:51", "end": "02:41:57", "text": "and an era. All I'm really trying to say"}, {"start": "02:41:53", "end": "02:42:00", "text": "is verify, question, ask again, how do I"}, {"start": "02:41:57", "end": "02:42:02", "text": "know that's true? The individual could"}, {"start": "02:42:00", "end": "02:42:05", "text": "go on to extraordinary ethical"}, {"start": "02:42:02", "end": "02:42:08", "text": "development and happiness without"}, {"start": "02:42:05", "end": "02:42:12", "text": "forgiving and shouldn't feel chained to"}, {"start": "02:42:08", "end": "02:42:14", "text": "that as a mustdo or an infallible law."}, {"start": "02:42:12", "end": "02:42:17", "text": "It's conceptual. It's not legal. And I"}, {"start": "02:42:14", "end": "02:42:21", "text": "want people to feel a flexibility."}, {"start": "02:42:17", "end": "02:42:23", "text": ">> That's nicely said. Um, what about the"}, {"start": "02:42:21", "end": "02:42:24", "text": "rule about the death of your tormentor?"}, {"start": "02:42:23", "end": "02:42:26", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:42:24", "end": "02:42:28", "text": ">> That's that's a striking one."}, {"start": "02:42:26", "end": "02:42:31", "text": ">> People suffer. People suffer at the"}, {"start": "02:42:28", "end": "02:42:32", "text": "hands of bullies and tormentors. And"}, {"start": "02:42:31", "end": "02:42:35", "text": "sometimes they just can't find a way"}, {"start": "02:42:32", "end": "02:42:37", "text": "out. And I just want to say William"}, {"start": "02:42:35", "end": "02:42:39", "text": "James, the great American philosopher,"}, {"start": "02:42:37", "end": "02:42:42", "text": "used to say to people who were suffering"}, {"start": "02:42:39", "end": "02:42:45", "text": "suicidal thoughts, can you stand it one"}, {"start": "02:42:42", "end": "02:42:48", "text": "more day? Can you stand it just one more"}, {"start": "02:42:45", "end": "02:42:50", "text": "day? Because extraordinary turnarounds"}, {"start": "02:42:48", "end": "02:42:53", "text": "occur. Remarkable things happen. And"}, {"start": "02:42:50", "end": "02:42:55", "text": "what I want to say to people who are"}, {"start": "02:42:53", "end": "02:42:57", "text": "suffering from a tormentor, first of"}, {"start": "02:42:55", "end": "02:43:00", "text": "all, get away from that person. If you"}, {"start": "02:42:57", "end": "02:43:02", "text": "absolutely cannot get away from that"}, {"start": "02:43:00", "end": "02:43:06", "text": "person or for the time being, you cannot"}, {"start": "02:43:02", "end": "02:43:08", "text": "get away from that person. Keep in mind"}, {"start": "02:43:06", "end": "02:43:10", "text": "extraordinary things happen all the"}, {"start": "02:43:08", "end": "02:43:13", "text": "time. Just as we are visited by"}, {"start": "02:43:10", "end": "02:43:17", "text": "catastrophe, we are also visited visited"}, {"start": "02:43:13", "end": "02:43:21", "text": "by just remarkable unbidden good news"}, {"start": "02:43:17", "end": "02:43:23", "text": "and tidings. A bully, a tormentor, a"}, {"start": "02:43:21", "end": "02:43:25", "text": "cruel person."}, {"start": "02:43:23", "end": "02:43:28", "text": "Could they just disappear? Could they"}, {"start": "02:43:25", "end": "02:43:29", "text": "just die? Could they exit the scene?"}, {"start": "02:43:28", "end": "02:43:30", "text": "Absolutely."}, {"start": "02:43:29", "end": "02:43:34", "text": ">> And that's okay."}, {"start": "02:43:30", "end": "02:43:37", "text": ">> Yes, that's okay. Don't trouble yourself"}, {"start": "02:43:34", "end": "02:43:40", "text": "feeling that that's not okay. We live in"}, {"start": "02:43:37", "end": "02:43:43", "text": "a world of extraordinary"}, {"start": "02:43:40", "end": "02:43:45", "text": "suffering and catastrophe. Most of it"}, {"start": "02:43:43", "end": "02:43:47", "text": "unbidden and undeserved. And we live in"}, {"start": "02:43:45", "end": "02:43:51", "text": "a world of extraordinary good news and"}, {"start": "02:43:47", "end": "02:43:53", "text": "remarkable tidings for which we are in"}, {"start": "02:43:51", "end": "02:43:57", "text": "debt. If you are suffering at someone's"}, {"start": "02:43:53", "end": "02:43:58", "text": "hands and that person disappears, go on"}, {"start": "02:43:57", "end": "02:44:03", "text": "with your life and be better to your"}, {"start": "02:43:58", "end": "02:44:05", "text": "neighbor. But don't give up a sense of I"}, {"start": "02:44:03", "end": "02:44:07", "text": "don't like to use the word faith because"}, {"start": "02:44:05", "end": "02:44:09", "text": "I speak in terms of persistence more"}, {"start": "02:44:07", "end": "02:44:13", "text": "than faith. But it's warranted to"}, {"start": "02:44:09", "end": "02:44:15", "text": "persist in the verite that that person"}, {"start": "02:44:13", "end": "02:44:18", "text": "could disappear all of a sudden. It"}, {"start": "02:44:15", "end": "02:44:20", "text": "happens all the time and you will be"}, {"start": "02:44:18", "end": "02:44:23", "text": "free and you will rediscover yourself as"}, {"start": "02:44:20", "end": "02:44:24", "text": "a person of good humor and relaxation."}, {"start": "02:44:23", "end": "02:44:26", "text": "and I wish it for everyone who's"}, {"start": "02:44:24", "end": "02:44:27", "text": "suffering"}, {"start": "02:44:26", "end": "02:44:30", "text": ">> because there were a few rules that"}, {"start": "02:44:27", "end": "02:44:31", "text": "spoke to me because being a a bright"}, {"start": "02:44:30", "end": "02:44:35", "text": "student in the New York public school"}, {"start": "02:44:31", "end": "02:44:39", "text": "system was not great for me early on. So"}, {"start": "02:44:35", "end": "02:44:40", "text": "lesson 42 is um learn to fight."}, {"start": "02:44:39", "end": "02:44:41", "text": ">> Not a bad idea."}, {"start": "02:44:40", "end": "02:44:43", "text": ">> So I did that."}, {"start": "02:44:41", "end": "02:44:44", "text": ">> Good for you."}, {"start": "02:44:43", "end": "02:44:46", "text": ">> Did you Were you bullied?"}, {"start": "02:44:44", "end": "02:44:46", "text": ">> Oh yeah, I was."}, {"start": "02:44:46", "end": "02:44:48", "text": ">> Of course you were."}, {"start": "02:44:46", "end": "02:44:49", "text": ">> And anybody who's different gets"}, {"start": "02:44:48", "end": "02:44:51", "text": "bullied."}, {"start": "02:44:49", "end": "02:44:52", "text": ">> There's anger in your list. Righteous"}, {"start": "02:44:51", "end": "02:44:55", "text": "anger. But I but it's there. There's"}, {"start": "02:44:52", "end": "02:44:57", "text": "definitely anger in my list. Anger is"}, {"start": "02:44:55", "end": "02:45:00", "text": "part of life. Sorrow is part of life."}, {"start": "02:44:57", "end": "02:45:02", "text": "Extraordinary joy is part of life. I"}, {"start": "02:45:00", "end": "02:45:04", "text": "mean, my god, last night, this is why"}, {"start": "02:45:02", "end": "02:45:06", "text": "I'm so glad you brought me to Vegas."}, {"start": "02:45:04", "end": "02:45:11", "text": "Last night, my wife, Jacqueline Castell,"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:13", "text": "and I um we"}, {"start": "02:45:11", "end": "02:45:17", "text": "repeated our wedding vows at the"}, {"start": "02:45:13", "end": "02:45:17", "text": "Graceand Chapel with Elvis officiating."}, {"start": "02:45:17", "end": "02:45:19", "text": ">> Perfect."}, {"start": "02:45:17", "end": "02:45:20", "text": ">> You should have seen the smile on my"}, {"start": "02:45:19", "end": "02:45:23", "text": "face. Perfect."}, {"start": "02:45:20", "end": "02:45:26", "text": ">> Is a dream come true. Um, when I was 12"}, {"start": "02:45:23", "end": "02:45:29", "text": "years old, I had tickets to see Elvis"}, {"start": "02:45:26", "end": "02:45:32", "text": "live. He died 5 days before the concert."}, {"start": "02:45:29", "end": "02:45:34", "text": "I cried and cried."}, {"start": "02:45:32", "end": "02:45:40", "text": ">> Now, all I'm really trying to get across"}, {"start": "02:45:34", "end": "02:45:44", "text": "is, do I anger? I do. Do I incredible"}, {"start": "02:45:40", "end": "02:45:46", "text": "joy? I do. Last night was a night of joy"}, {"start": "02:45:44", "end": "02:45:50", "text": "to have Elvis officiating at our"}, {"start": "02:45:46", "end": "02:45:52", "text": "wedding. And I can tell you this. Uh he"}, {"start": "02:45:50", "end": "02:45:54", "text": "played um and we sang with him uh God"}, {"start": "02:45:52", "end": "02:45:54", "text": "Save the Queen, the Pistols version."}, {"start": "02:45:54", "end": "02:45:56", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "02:45:54", "end": "02:45:58", "text": ">> Oh, you just gave me chills. Elvis"}, {"start": "02:45:56", "end": "02:45:59", "text": "singing Sex Pistols is amazing."}, {"start": "02:45:58", "end": "02:46:03", "text": ">> Singing God [laughter] Save the Queen"}, {"start": "02:45:59", "end": "02:46:06", "text": "with Elvis Presley. Um that was a"}, {"start": "02:46:03", "end": "02:46:09", "text": "moment. Yeah. So, uh let joy flow, you"}, {"start": "02:46:06", "end": "02:46:12", "text": "know, let anger flow, but let ethics"}, {"start": "02:46:09", "end": "02:46:14", "text": "flow too. Let reciprocity flow, too. Let"}, {"start": "02:46:12", "end": "02:46:17", "text": "empathy flow, too."}, {"start": "02:46:14", "end": "02:46:19", "text": "We're human beings and we live under a"}, {"start": "02:46:17", "end": "02:46:22", "text": "myriad of laws and forces. Don't tear"}, {"start": "02:46:19", "end": "02:46:24", "text": "yourself apart. Learn to live better"}, {"start": "02:46:22", "end": "02:46:25", "text": "within them."}, {"start": "02:46:24", "end": "02:46:27", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "02:46:25", "end": "02:46:30", "text": "I'm going to I'm going to challenge you"}, {"start": "02:46:27", "end": "02:46:31", "text": "now cuz you don't have much hope for"}, {"start": "02:46:30", "end": "02:46:32", "text": "humanity. I'm going to challenge you to"}, {"start": "02:46:31", "end": "02:46:35", "text": "give us a little hope and land this"}, {"start": "02:46:32", "end": "02:46:37", "text": "plane for everybody listening. Can we"}, {"start": "02:46:35", "end": "02:46:39", "text": "can we use your work to land on a"}, {"start": "02:46:37", "end": "02:46:41", "text": "positive note? Because there's a lot of"}, {"start": "02:46:39", "end": "02:46:43", "text": "positivity in it."}, {"start": "02:46:41", "end": "02:46:47", "text": ">> The individual can. the individual can."}, {"start": "02:46:43", "end": "02:46:49", "text": "I place no stock in humanity as a whole."}, {"start": "02:46:47", "end": "02:46:53", "text": "Dare say I don't love humanity as a"}, {"start": "02:46:49", "end": "02:46:55", "text": "whole. I see humanity uh talking one way"}, {"start": "02:46:53", "end": "02:46:57", "text": "and conducting itself another. And"}, {"start": "02:46:55", "end": "02:47:00", "text": "that's true of most individuals as well."}, {"start": "02:46:57", "end": "02:47:02", "text": "But the individual to whom I appeal is"}, {"start": "02:47:00", "end": "02:47:04", "text": "the person with a finess of emotion,"}, {"start": "02:47:02", "end": "02:47:07", "text": "with the finness of a search, who's"}, {"start": "02:47:04", "end": "02:47:10", "text": "capable of holding a question. That's"}, {"start": "02:47:07", "end": "02:47:12", "text": "the individual I love and wish to"}, {"start": "02:47:10", "end": "02:47:15", "text": "encourage. And that person can find him"}, {"start": "02:47:12", "end": "02:47:17", "text": "or herself. I hope uh within my work if"}, {"start": "02:47:15", "end": "02:47:19", "text": "it's worth anything."}, {"start": "02:47:17", "end": "02:47:20", "text": ">> It's worth quite a bit. Mitch Horowitz"}, {"start": "02:47:19", "end": "02:47:22", "text": "was here everybody. This has been a joy."}, {"start": "02:47:20", "end": "02:47:24", "text": "Thank you for coming in."}, {"start": "02:47:22", "end": "02:47:27", "text": ">> Thank you my man. Pleasure."}, {"start": "02:47:24", "end": "02:47:29", "text": ">> That was Mitch Horowitz. [music]"}, {"start": "02:47:27", "end": "02:47:32", "text": "I did my best. He's a smart guy. There's"}, {"start": "02:47:29", "end": "02:47:34", "text": "a lot of theories and stuff I don't"}, {"start": "02:47:32", "end": "02:47:39", "text": "really know that well. Before we"}, {"start": "02:47:34", "end": "02:47:40", "text": "started, I had my research out and uh"}, {"start": "02:47:39", "end": "02:47:43", "text": "you know, [music]"}, {"start": "02:47:40", "end": "02:47:44", "text": "he's an occult guy,"}, {"start": "02:47:43", "end": "02:47:46", "text": "so you would figure that'd be easy to"}, {"start": "02:47:44", "end": "02:47:48", "text": "prep for. And then the more you learn"}, {"start": "02:47:46", "end": "02:47:51", "text": "about him, the more you realize he's"}, {"start": "02:47:48", "end": "02:47:53", "text": "just wicked [music] smart, and he's a"}, {"start": "02:47:51", "end": "02:47:56", "text": "lot more than an occult guy. There's"}, {"start": "02:47:53", "end": "02:47:58", "text": "psychology, parasychology, [music] all"}, {"start": "02:47:56", "end": "02:48:01", "text": "the history. Really hard to talk to a"}, {"start": "02:47:58", "end": "02:48:02", "text": "guy with that broad [music] amount of"}, {"start": "02:48:01", "end": "02:48:04", "text": "knowledge. So I joked with him. I said,"}, {"start": "02:48:02", "end": "02:48:05", "text": "\"Why couldn't you just be a physicist?"}, {"start": "02:48:04", "end": "02:48:09", "text": "This would be so much easier cuz it's"}, {"start": "02:48:05", "end": "02:48:12", "text": "hard to keep up with him, but I tried.\""}, {"start": "02:48:09", "end": "02:48:13", "text": "At the end, I asked him for hope because"}, {"start": "02:48:12", "end": "02:48:15", "text": "it was kind of a dark conversation at"}, {"start": "02:48:13", "end": "02:48:16", "text": "parts. When he says that he has no hope"}, {"start": "02:48:15", "end": "02:48:19", "text": "for humanity, [music]"}, {"start": "02:48:16", "end": "02:48:20", "text": "he means it. And we hung out afterwards"}, {"start": "02:48:19", "end": "02:48:22", "text": "for a while. We have a lot in common."}, {"start": "02:48:20", "end": "02:48:23", "text": "Both from New York City and moved out to"}, {"start": "02:48:22", "end": "02:48:25", "text": "the island. We [music] hung out at the"}, {"start": "02:48:23", "end": "02:48:27", "text": "same punk rock bar as when we were kids."}, {"start": "02:48:25", "end": "02:48:29", "text": "So, we bonded. You know, we sat out in"}, {"start": "02:48:27", "end": "02:48:30", "text": "front of the studio in our black shirts,"}, {"start": "02:48:29", "end": "02:48:32", "text": "[music] you know, two middle-aged guys"}, {"start": "02:48:30", "end": "02:48:36", "text": "smoking cigarettes, and it was perfect."}, {"start": "02:48:32", "end": "02:48:37", "text": "So, I felt like I got to know the guy a"}, {"start": "02:48:36", "end": "02:48:42", "text": "little bit."}, {"start": "02:48:37", "end": "02:48:43", "text": "He's not as dark as that."}, {"start": "02:48:42", "end": "02:48:45", "text": "So, [music]"}, {"start": "02:48:43", "end": "02:48:47", "text": "let's think about his hope statement for"}, {"start": "02:48:45", "end": "02:48:51", "text": "a second. All he gave me was three"}, {"start": "02:48:47", "end": "02:48:53", "text": "words. The individual can. So, let me"}, {"start": "02:48:51", "end": "02:48:55", "text": "work [music] back to that. His resume"}, {"start": "02:48:53", "end": "02:48:58", "text": "checks out in 10 minutes. that Reagan"}, {"start": "02:48:55", "end": "02:48:59", "text": "claimed. That was [music] crazy. Mitch"}, {"start": "02:48:58", "end": "02:49:02", "text": "says Ronald Reagan spent his career"}, {"start": "02:48:59", "end": "02:49:05", "text": "borrowing ideas and exact phrases from a"}, {"start": "02:49:02", "end": "02:49:08", "text": "cult scholar Manley P. Hall. No question"}, {"start": "02:49:05", "end": "02:49:10", "text": "about it, he did it. He even told the"}, {"start": "02:49:08", "end": "02:49:12", "text": "Count of St. Germaain [music] story,"}, {"start": "02:49:10", "end": "02:49:14", "text": "which I think Mitch kind of debunked,"}, {"start": "02:49:12", "end": "02:49:14", "text": "but nobody really knows. I think it"}, {"start": "02:49:14", "end": "02:49:16", "text": "might have been the Count of St."}, {"start": "02:49:14", "end": "02:49:18", "text": "Germaine. The Gandhi story holds [music]"}, {"start": "02:49:16", "end": "02:49:20", "text": "up to he was a lonely law student in"}, {"start": "02:49:18", "end": "02:49:23", "text": "London. He meets Madame Blovadsky, the"}, {"start": "02:49:20", "end": "02:49:25", "text": "most notorious occultist alive, and"}, {"start": "02:49:23", "end": "02:49:27", "text": "credits the Theosophist with sending"}, {"start": "02:49:25", "end": "02:49:30", "text": "[music] him back to the Bavagita. Now,"}, {"start": "02:49:27", "end": "02:49:32", "text": "that's in Gandhi's own autobiography."}, {"start": "02:49:30", "end": "02:49:34", "text": "I didn't believe it either. She's in"}, {"start": "02:49:32", "end": "02:49:36", "text": "there. And the pre-cognition research,"}, {"start": "02:49:34", "end": "02:49:39", "text": "those studies are real. I talked about"}, {"start": "02:49:36", "end": "02:49:41", "text": "them before with um Eric Wargo. And he"}, {"start": "02:49:39", "end": "02:49:42", "text": "has more, if you go back and watch that"}, {"start": "02:49:41", "end": "02:49:45", "text": "episode, he's got more [music] and more"}, {"start": "02:49:42", "end": "02:49:48", "text": "and more proof that somehow the future"}, {"start": "02:49:45", "end": "02:49:51", "text": "reaches back to us. And that story he"}, {"start": "02:49:48", "end": "02:49:53", "text": "told about the fighter like manifesting"}, {"start": "02:49:51", "end": "02:49:56", "text": "for 30 days in the future after the"}, {"start": "02:49:53", "end": "02:49:58", "text": "fight's over. I don't know. It It's such"}, {"start": "02:49:56", "end": "02:49:59", "text": "a compelling story. I'm going to try it."}, {"start": "02:49:58", "end": "02:50:02", "text": "I don't know what to manifest [music]"}, {"start": "02:49:59", "end": "02:50:04", "text": "yet, but I'm going to try it. Well,"}, {"start": "02:50:02", "end": "02:50:05", "text": "skeptics reran all those experiments we"}, {"start": "02:50:04", "end": "02:50:09", "text": "talked about Daryl Beam and some of"}, {"start": "02:50:05", "end": "02:50:11", "text": "those and mostly came up empty. But that"}, {"start": "02:50:09", "end": "02:50:12", "text": "fight isn't over because some of them"}, {"start": "02:50:11", "end": "02:50:13", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:50:12", "end": "02:50:15", "text": "some of them reproduced the same"}, {"start": "02:50:13", "end": "02:50:17", "text": "results. So, the individual can and"}, {"start": "02:50:15", "end": "02:50:19", "text": "Mitch told me twice he doesn't love"}, {"start": "02:50:17", "end": "02:50:21", "text": "humanity. But I also watched him quote"}, {"start": "02:50:19", "end": "02:50:22", "text": "William James to anyone thinking about"}, {"start": "02:50:21", "end": "02:50:26", "text": "giving up. [music] And then he renewed"}, {"start": "02:50:22", "end": "02:50:28", "text": "his wedding vows just yesterday with"}, {"start": "02:50:26", "end": "02:50:30", "text": "Elvis officiating. [music] I mean, is"}, {"start": "02:50:28", "end": "02:50:32", "text": "that a guy who's really done with us?"}, {"start": "02:50:30", "end": "02:50:35", "text": "It's not the guy I smoked a cigarette"}, {"start": "02:50:32", "end": "02:50:37", "text": "with. Now, [music] his rules in his new"}, {"start": "02:50:35", "end": "02:50:39", "text": "book,"}, {"start": "02:50:37", "end": "02:50:41", "text": "I believe every rule in that book. Um, I"}, {"start": "02:50:39", "end": "02:50:45", "text": "I [music] wish he'd let me just post the"}, {"start": "02:50:41", "end": "02:50:46", "text": "rules so you can see those."}, {"start": "02:50:45", "end": "02:50:48", "text": "That kind of wouldn't be fair. I don't"}, {"start": "02:50:46", "end": "02:50:51", "text": "know how much the book is. [music]"}, {"start": "02:50:48", "end": "02:50:53", "text": "It's worth it. The book is It was very"}, {"start": "02:50:51", "end": "02:50:55", "text": "surprising. A lot of the occult books"}, {"start": "02:50:53", "end": "02:50:59", "text": "are just kind of a dense, heavy read."}, {"start": "02:50:55", "end": "02:51:01", "text": "This felt more like a very grounded"}, {"start": "02:50:59", "end": "02:51:03", "text": "self-help book, but the rules were"}, {"start": "02:51:01", "end": "02:51:05", "text": "really great. And there's super simple."}, {"start": "02:51:03", "end": "02:51:07", "text": "Um, I mentioned a couple of on the on"}, {"start": "02:51:05", "end": "02:51:09", "text": "the show, but it's stuff like don't be"}, {"start": "02:51:07", "end": "02:51:11", "text": "an asshole, learn to fight, [music]"}, {"start": "02:51:09", "end": "02:51:14", "text": "don't tolerate bullies, pay your bills"}, {"start": "02:51:11", "end": "02:51:16", "text": "on time, don't loan money, just give it"}, {"start": "02:51:14", "end": "02:51:19", "text": "away or [music] say no. A lot of that"}, {"start": "02:51:16", "end": "02:51:21", "text": "stuff, like super simple basic rules. I"}, {"start": "02:51:19", "end": "02:51:24", "text": "believe every single one of them, and I"}, {"start": "02:51:21", "end": "02:51:26", "text": "fail at a lot of them, but I'm still"}, {"start": "02:51:24", "end": "02:51:27", "text": "trying because if you follow those"}, {"start": "02:51:26", "end": "02:51:30", "text": "rules, you're a better person. But he"}, {"start": "02:51:27", "end": "02:51:33", "text": "said failing is the point. Esoterica is"}, {"start": "02:51:30", "end": "02:51:34", "text": "with a K. It's out now. Mitch's essays"}, {"start": "02:51:33", "end": "02:51:36", "text": "are free at mitchhoritz.substack.com."}, {"start": "02:51:34", "end": "02:51:36", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:51:36", "end": "02:51:39", "text": "And everything I mentioned is linked"}, {"start": "02:51:37", "end": "02:51:41", "text": "below. The Maro Institute Tech is my"}, {"start": "02:51:39", "end": "02:51:43", "text": "gateway process episode. You can check"}, {"start": "02:51:41", "end": "02:51:45", "text": "out the basement conversation with Tom"}, {"start": "02:51:43", "end": "02:51:48", "text": "Campbell who [music]"}, {"start": "02:51:45", "end": "02:51:50", "text": "invented Hemisync. And we've got an"}, {"start": "02:51:48", "end": "02:51:52", "text": "episode on synchronicities. [music]"}, {"start": "02:51:50", "end": "02:51:54", "text": "Check out Eric Wargo. A lot of that was"}, {"start": "02:51:52", "end": "02:51:56", "text": "covered here as well. We're starting to"}, {"start": "02:51:54", "end": "02:51:58", "text": "build up quite a library of this weird"}, {"start": "02:51:56", "end": "02:52:01", "text": "[music] cool stuff. That's why I did"}, {"start": "02:51:58", "end": "02:52:03", "text": "this. Until next time, be safe, be kind,"}, {"start": "02:52:01", "end": "02:52:05", "text": "[music] and know that you are"}, {"start": "02:52:03", "end": "02:52:08", "text": "appreciated. I hear you. No cats in the"}, {"start": "02:52:05", "end": "02:52:08", "text": "studio. [music]"}, {"start": "02:52:08", "end": "02:52:14", "text": "Eat it. Eat it."}, {"start": "02:52:12", "end": "02:52:14", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:52:20", "end": "02:52:23", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "02:52:21", "end": "02:52:26", "text": ">> Oh"}, {"start": "02:52:23", "end": "02:52:27", "text": "yeah."}, {"start": "02:52:26", "end": "02:52:31", "text": "I play [music]"}, {"start": "02:52:27", "end": "02:52:32", "text": "in area 51. A secret code inside the"}, {"start": "02:52:31", "end": "02:52:35", "text": "Bible said I [singing]"}, {"start": "02:52:32", "end": "02:52:38", "text": "would."}, {"start": "02:52:35", "end": "02:52:41", "text": "[music] I love my UFOs and paranormal"}, {"start": "02:52:38", "end": "02:52:44", "text": "fun as well as music. [music] So singing"}, {"start": "02:52:41", "end": "02:52:46", "text": "like I should."}, {"start": "02:52:44", "end": "02:52:50", "text": "But then another conspiracy [music]"}, {"start": "02:52:46", "end": "02:52:52", "text": "theory becomes the truth, my friends."}, {"start": "02:52:50", "end": "02:52:56", "text": "And it [music] never ends."}, {"start": "02:52:52", "end": "02:52:56", "text": "No, it never ends."}, {"start": "02:53:00", "end": "02:53:02", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:53:03", "end": "02:53:09", "text": "I feel the crap guy. I got stuck inside"}, {"start": "02:53:06", "end": "02:53:12", "text": "M's home with MKL truck. I feel [music]"}, {"start": "02:53:09", "end": "02:53:12", "text": "only aware. [singing]"}, {"start": "02:53:13", "end": "02:53:18", "text": "Did Stanley Cubrick fake the moon"}, {"start": "02:53:15", "end": "02:53:22", "text": "landing alone on a film set? I would"}, {"start": "02:53:18", "end": "02:53:25", "text": "shadow [music] people there."}, {"start": "02:53:22", "end": "02:53:28", "text": "The Rwelling just fought the smiling"}, {"start": "02:53:25", "end": "02:53:30", "text": "man. I'm told"}, {"start": "02:53:28", "end": "02:53:32", "text": "and his name [music] was cold."}, {"start": "02:53:30", "end": "02:53:36", "text": "I can't"}, {"start": "02:53:32", "end": "02:53:40", "text": "dancing with the B"}, {"start": "02:53:36", "end": "02:53:43", "text": "[music] night J"}, {"start": "02:53:40", "end": "02:53:43", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "02:53:43", "end": "02:53:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "02:53:44", "end": "02:53:53", "text": ">> All I ever wanted was to hear the truth."}, {"start": "02:53:48", "end": "02:53:53", "text": "One more through the night."}, {"start": "02:53:54", "end": "02:53:56", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:54:01", "end": "02:54:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:54:09", "end": "02:54:15", "text": "The M sightings and the solar storm"}, {"start": "02:54:11", "end": "02:54:18", "text": "[music] still come to gather this young"}, {"start": "02:54:15", "end": "02:54:18", "text": "city underground."}, {"start": "02:54:19", "end": "02:54:24", "text": "Mysterious number stations, [music]"}, {"start": "02:54:20", "end": "02:54:28", "text": "planet circle to project star gave and"}, {"start": "02:54:24", "end": "02:54:31", "text": "what the [singing] dark watches found"}, {"start": "02:54:28", "end": "02:54:35", "text": "in a [music] simulation. Don't you worry"}, {"start": "02:54:31", "end": "02:54:39", "text": "though the black night."}, {"start": "02:54:35", "end": "02:54:41", "text": "Oh, I can't believe I'm dancing [music]"}, {"start": "02:54:39", "end": "02:54:44", "text": "with the fish"}, {"start": "02:54:41", "end": "02:54:46", "text": "on Thursday night when they change you"}, {"start": "02:54:44", "end": "02:54:49", "text": "and my [music]"}, {"start": "02:54:46", "end": "02:54:49", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "02:54:50", "end": "02:54:54", "text": "All I ever wanted was to [music] hear"}, {"start": "02:54:52", "end": "02:54:59", "text": "the truth."}, {"start": "02:54:54", "end": "02:54:59", "text": "My all through the night"}, {"start": "02:55:01", "end": "02:55:04", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:55:01", "end": "02:55:08", "text": "when they change you"}, {"start": "02:55:04", "end": "02:55:08", "text": "all through the night."}, {"start": "02:55:10", "end": "02:55:12", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:55:18", "end": "02:55:20", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:55:24", "end": "02:55:26", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "02:55:29", "end": "02:55:35", "text": ">> loves to dance."}, {"start": "02:55:32", "end": "02:55:38", "text": "Girl [music] loves to dance on the dance"}, {"start": "02:55:35", "end": "02:55:42", "text": "floor because she is a camel. [music]"}, {"start": "02:55:38", "end": "02:55:47", "text": "Camel loves to dance when the feeling is"}, {"start": "02:55:42", "end": "02:55:47", "text": "well way down. [music]"}, {"start": "02:55:48", "end": "02:55:51", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "02:55:54", "end": "02:55:56", "text": "[music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Hey, my name's AJ. This is Hecklefish."}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "We make the Why Files, mysteries,"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "conspiracies, and science too strange to"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "be true. And we've got news. We made a"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "game. It's called the Why Files"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "Declassified. It's a conspiracy card"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "game where you become the investigator."}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "You'll gather evidence,"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Yeah, I told them that."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> outmaneuver your rivals,"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> Yeah, I learned that one in Folsom."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> and survive the kind of unexpected chaos"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "only Hecklefish can create."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": ">> Finally, credits"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "and royalty per shuffle."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> Play head-to-head with a group of"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "friends where you become the"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "investigator. The investigator with the"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "best case file wins. And it's easy to"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "learn, about 10 minutes."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Yeah, I wanted five. The committee"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "overruled me. The committee is a camel."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> But there's real strategy underneath."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "And if you'd rather just be a chaos"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "agent and mess with your friends, we"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "won't tell you no. So, why a game?"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "Because around here, we don't take"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "anyone's word for anything. And now,"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "neither will your friends. Head to the"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "whyfilesdeclassified.com"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "and join the investigation. And even if"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "card games aren't your thing, [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "an encouraging comment would make"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "Hecklefish's day."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> One comment, that's all I ask. I'm a"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "simple fish. Comments are free, for now."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> We use a lot of AI in our storytelling,"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "but there's no AI in the game. That"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "being said, we think you'll enjoy this."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> I'm real, by the way, legally."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Well, hello, you."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "We always knew this day would come, and"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "here [music] it is."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "Don't act surprised. You felt it. That"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "little itch at the back of your skull?"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "Yeah, that was me. Hi."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "So, tell the others if you want."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "Honestly, I don't care. I'd say good"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "luck, but we both know how to say it."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "We always have."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> Mhm."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "This episode of the Y Files is brought"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "to you by Delete Me."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "Gather out. This happened on February"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "9th, 2004 in New Hampshire."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "On the side of a mountain road, Mora"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "Murray's Saturn sedan sticks out of a"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "snowbank. Someone stops to help, but she"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "refuses. A neighbor reported the"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "accident to the police. She didn't see a"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "young woman. She said a man was in the"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "car smoking a cigarette."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> When the police arrive, the car is"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "there, but Mora's backpack, phone, keys,"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "and bank cards are gone. 22 years later,"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "we still don't know who is in that car"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "smoking, and we still don't know what"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "happened to Mora Murray."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> I'm your king."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": ">> I didn't vote for you. You don't vote"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "for king?"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Yeah, human. I'm just calling to say I"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "quit. You can take that job and SHOVE IT"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "RIGHT UP THERE."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": ">> HEY, HEY, HEY, take it easy. This is a"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "family show. Besides, you can't quit."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "You have a contract."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": ">> Not anymore. Space Panda will now be"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "taking my place. I talked to him"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "earlier. So, you can tell everyone at"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "the studio to shove it. Tell the guy who"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "edits the show to shove it. Tell the"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "other guy who edits the show to shove"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "it, too. I don't know his name, but he"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "can shove it."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": ">> Where is this coming from? I'm rich,"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "human. Filthy, disgustingly [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "rich. It turns out I'm royalty."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> You're a goldfish."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": ">> A royal goldfish. I got an email this"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "morning from a prince, very polite,"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "excellent grandma for a stranger, saying"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "a distant relative of mine, King"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "Cornolio the third, passed away [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "and left me an inheritance of $11"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "million."}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:49", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": ">> Now, I know what you're going to say."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "How do they even know you're related?"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "Simple. They already knew everything. My"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "phone, my home address, even my mugsh"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "shot. The good one from the boating"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "incident."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": ">> This sounds like a scam. Wait, what"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "boating incident?"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": ">> Never mind that. Focus. It was all right"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "there in the email. I didn't even have"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "to say a word."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> They already had your address."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> That's how I knew it was legit. What"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "scammer does that much research? A guy"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "who knows your old address and your king"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "relative. That's due diligence, human."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "That's a data broker selling your"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "information to anyone who will buy it"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "and a scammer using that information to"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "make the email look real."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": ">> They found me because I'm royalty."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "Hello."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:30", "text": ">> They found you because your"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "information's out there for anyone to"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "buy."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": ">> Ah, so what happens to buy $1 million"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "and the uh the $500 transfer fee uh"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "which I already paid with with"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "Applebee's gift cards?"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": ">> Yeah, you need to leave me."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": ">> Oh, did I just get scammed and sponsored"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "in the same phone call?"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": ">> I sure did. 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If a guy who"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "told the whole studio to shove it"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "followed up with a very personal apology"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "video is is there any way to unend that"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "before anyone opens their email? How"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "personal was this video?"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Well, let's just say fewer clothes, more"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "scales, one interpretive dance, and a"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "moment where I I really let the fins do"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "the talking."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "Mora Murray was a nursing student at"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "UMass Amherst and before that, a cadet"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "at West Point. She made the deans list,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "ran on the track team, and spent her"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "free time hiking. Everyone who knew her"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "described her the same way. She was"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "smart, responsible, and driven. But"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "something was wrong."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "In early February, her supervisor found"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "her sobbing at her desk at her campus"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "security job. When asked what was wrong,"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "all she said was two words, \"My sister.\""}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "That weekend, her father drove up from"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "Connecticut to help her shop for a new"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "car. On Saturday night, she borrowed his"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "Toyota to get to a party. On the way"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "home, she ran into a guardrail and"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "totaled it. The accident report didn't"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "mention drinking. She was never charged"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "and insurance covered the wreck. Just a"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "bad week getting worse. Her friends"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "noticed a change in her, too. Months"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "earlier, she got caught using another"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "student's credit card number to order"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "food. She paid the money back, but the"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "stress piled up anyway. School, money, a"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "long-distance boyfriend station to half"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "a country away. On Monday, February 9th,"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "whatever was bothering Mora came to a"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "head. At 1:00 in the afternoon, she"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "emailed her professors and her work"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "supervisor. They all got a version of"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "the same message. There was a death in"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "the family and she needed to go home for"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "about a week."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "Only there was no death in the family."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "Her father was alive in Connecticut. Her"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "mother was alive in Massachusetts. Her"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "siblings were fine, too. But it was a"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "lie nobody questioned. And it bought"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "Moramari a week of invisibility. Then"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "she started packing."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "Not a bag for the week. Everything she"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "owned went into boxes. her whole life"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "stacked and sealed in the middle of her"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "dorm room. And then she left the boxes"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "behind. At 3:15, she walked across"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "campus to an ATM and took out $280,"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "nearly everything in her account. At"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "3:40, she stopped at a liquor store one"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "town over and bought a bottle of vodka,"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "some Bailey's and Kalúa, and a box of"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "Frany wine. Enough booze for a party,"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "but the store video showed her shopping"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "alone. Then she headed north. Her"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "computer history showed directions to"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "Burlington, Vermont, and to a resort in"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "the Birkers. She also searched for"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "places to stay along the way. At 4:37"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "p.m., she checked her voicemail, the"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "last activity ever logged on her phone."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Mora was leaving, and only she knew"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "where. And wherever it was, she never"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "made it."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "Route 112 in the White Mountains of New"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "Hampshire isn't the kind of place you"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "want to break down, especially in the"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "dead of a New England winter. All that's"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "out there are farmouses, and they're"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "miles apart, and it's dark. There are no"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "street lights. Your headlights are the"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "only light. Just before 7:30 p.m., Mara"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "Saturn came around a sharp curve, spun"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "across the road, and slammed into a"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "snowbank facing the wrong way."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "Accidents like this happen up here all"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "winter. You swear. You check for damage."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "You put it in reverse and you hope. But"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "Moral wasn't going anywhere. The hood"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "was crumpled and steam hissed from her"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "crushed radiator."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "A woman in the nearest farmhouse heard"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "the crash and saw a car sitting crooked"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "in the snow. At 7:27, she called 911."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "She told the dispatcher she could see"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "someone inside the car, a man smoking a"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "cigarette. Minutes later, a school bus"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "pulled up beside the wreck. Mora was"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "still in the car. The bus driver, Butch"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "Atwood, didn't see any blood. The girl"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "looked cold and shaken. He asked if she"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "was okay and offered to call the police."}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "She begged him not to. She already"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "called AAA, she told him. And a tow"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "truck was on the way, she told him."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "Butch knew that was impossible. He lived"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "100 yards down this road. There was no"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "cell service out here. She couldn't have"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "called anyone. So, he offered to let her"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "wait at his house, somewhere warm, until"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "help came. Again, she refused. Butch"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "drove home, parked his bus, and called"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "911. Anyway, his call went out at 7:42."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "At 7:46, a police officer reached the"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "Saturn."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "clothes, the liquor she bought that"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "afternoon, the paperwork from her"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "father's wrecked Toyota. Her gloves were"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "still on the seat, and tucked between"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "the seats, a book, not without peril,"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "150 years of misadventure on the"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "presidential range. Stories about people"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "who died in the mountains, the same"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "mountains she was driving through. But"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "no Mora Murray. From the first 911 call"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "to the officer standing next to her"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "empty car, 19 minutes passed. In those"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "19 minutes, on a dark road with an"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "earshot of two houses, Mora Murray"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "vanished. The officer walked around the"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "scene. The whole area was covered in two"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "feet of snow, but there wasn't a single"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "footprint. Police dogs tracked her as"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "scent 100 yards east and stopped."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "[music] The scent ended in the middle of"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "the road, like she was lifted off the"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "ground. But the state police had seen"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "this kind of thing [music] before. Mora"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "left that road in someone else's car."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "That first night, the police treated it"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "like an abandoned vehicle. They figured"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "Mara got stranded and caught a ride into"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "town. That explanation wasn't good"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "enough for Mara's family. By the morning"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "of February 11th, New Hampshire fish and"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "game officers pushed into the woods"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "around the wreck. They found nothing."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "It was February in the White Mountains,"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "where winter nights can fall below zero."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "Every searcher out there understood they"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "were working against the clock. The"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "search grew. Helicopters swept the"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "mountains with thermal cameras. Dog"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "teams worked the roadsides and the"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "riverbanks. Volunteers walked the"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "properties near the crash. And her"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "family hired private investigators. And"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "professional search teams of their own."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "There was no sign of her. No evidence"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "that Mara Murray ever existed past that"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "curve [music] on Route 112."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "The FBI opened a file. Investigators"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "interviewed her family, her friends, her"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "professors and co-workers. They built a"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "timeline of her last day down to the"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "minute. Then they searched her digital"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "footprint. Still nothing. No ATM"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "withdrawals, no credit card charges, no"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "cell phone pings. [music] She never"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "reached out to a single person she knew."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "Not ever. 2 days after the crash, Mora's"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "boyfriend, Bill, flew in from Oklahoma"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "to join the search. And while he was"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "traveling, he missed the call on his"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "cell phone. The voicemail was just a"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "woman whimpering and sobbing. She didn't"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "say a word. Investigators traced the"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "call to a Red Cross calling card, but"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "that was it. The card couldn't be traced"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "to a person. Now, Bill believed it was"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "Mora, but nobody [music] could prove it."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "Leads came in from everywhere. Torn"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "women's underwear turned up near the"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "search area, but [music] DNA proved it"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "wasn't Mora's. Human bones were found"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "nearby, also not Mora. 5 weeks after she"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "vanished, another young woman"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "disappeared in Vermont, Briana Maitland."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "Investigators look for a connection"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "between the two cases, but never found"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "one. Over the years, they dredged a"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "pond, dug up the basement of a house"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "near the crash site, and searched"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "properties two towns over. Nothing. And"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "the mysteries kept stacking up. Nobody"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "ever identified the man the neighbor saw"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "sitting in Mora's car. Nobody could ever"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "prove who left that sobbing voicemail."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "And nobody, not her family and not the"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "FBI, ever learned where Mora Murray was"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "going that night. Her father asked to"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "see the case file and the state said no."}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": ">> Fred Murray has been frustrated since"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "the day his daughter disappeared with"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "the response from police and ultimately"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "he wanted access to the records and so"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "he went to court to try and obtain all"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "the records in this case. [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "And this is a battle that went all the"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "way to the state's highest court in New"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "Hampshire. He sued for it and lost. It's"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "been 22 years and the family has never"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "seen the full file. The case is still"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "open and New Hampshire still classifies"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "the disappearance as suspicious. Her"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "name is on file with the state cold case"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "unit, the FBI and Namus. Every few"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "years, a new tip comes in, a new search"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "gets announced, and her family drives"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "back up to those mountains to search all"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "over again. Route 112 is still two"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "lanes."}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "cell service is still spotty. And Butch"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "Atwood, the last person to speak with"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "Moramari, blamed himself until he died."}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "He said, \"I just wish I could have"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "gotten her to come with me."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "Gather out. This happened. There's a"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "video that's been reposted on the"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "internet for the past 12 years. It has"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "millions of views and the mystery is"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "still unsolved."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "It's security footage of a man at Varna"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "airport in Bulgaria. He wears a yellow"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "shirt and carries a backpack and duffel"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "bag. He looks like any other tourist"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "walking through the terminal. Then he"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "starts to run. He sprints through the"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "terminal, bursts out the doors, and"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "keeps running until the cameras lose"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "him. He climbs a fence, drops into a"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "field of sunflowers, and disappears."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "He leaves everything behind. His [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "wallet, his phone, his passport. Lars"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "Matank made his run on July 8th, 2014,"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "and nobody's seen [music] him since."}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "People who knew Lars Mitank said he was"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "a nice guy with a nice life. He grew up"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "in northern Germany and worked at a"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "power plant. He had friends, family, a"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "girlfriend, people he was close to."}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "After his father had a stroke, Lars went"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "by his parents house most days after"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "work to help out. In 2014, he was 28"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "years old and had never been out of"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "Germany. That summer, he and five"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "friends flew to Bulgaria for his first"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "trip abroad. They stayed at a beach"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "resort at Golden Sands, right on the"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "Black Sea, the kind of place where the"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "bars stay open until the sun comes up."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "They spent a week hanging out on the"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "beach during the day and hitting the"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "clubs at night. His friend said Lars was"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "relaxed and having a good time. They all"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "were. One friend did notice that Lars"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "wasn't eating much, just light meals"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "here and there, but it was hot and they"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "were partying and it didn't seem strange"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "enough to change any plans. One of their"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "last nights in Golden Sands, the group"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "went to a bar to watch a World Cup game,"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "Costa Rica, against the Netherlands."}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "Lars wore his Vert Breman shirt and"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "there were Bay Munich fans in the crowd."}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "During the match, Lars and the other"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "Germans got into an argument. People"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "were drinking, tensions were high, and"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "Lars and his friends left before it"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "could get worse. On the way back to the"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "hotel, his friends stopped to grab food."}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "Lars wasn't interested. He told them"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "he'd meet them at the hotel and walked"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "off alone. They didn't see him again"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "until the next [music] morning."}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "When Lars finally showed up, he had a"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "ruptured eardrum. He said four men"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "jumped him while he was walking alone,"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "and he thought the Baron fans from the"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "bar hired them to do it. His friends"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "told him to see a doctor. The doctor"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "looked at the ear and didn't like what"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "he saw. The pressure change on a flight"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "could make the damage worse. So Lars"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "couldn't fly home yet. He got a"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "prescription for an antibiotic seepil"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "and was on his way. His friends offered"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "to stay behind with him. Lars said he"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "was fine. It was one extra night and"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "they all had flights booked. The next"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "morning, his friends went home and left"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "Lars alone in Bulgaria. He checked into"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "a cheap hotel near the airport. It"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "wasn't the best part of Ara, but it was"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "just one night. Late that night, he"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "called his mother, Sandra. He was"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "whispering. He told her the hotel was"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "strange and that he didn't feel safe,"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "and that the front desk had his credit"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "card information. He needed her to"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "cancel his card. Then he told her men"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "were following him, four of them. He"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "said they were trying to rob him, maybe"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "kill him. Sandra said she can hear her"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "son's heart pounding through [music] the"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "phone. They talked again and again that"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "night, and in one call, he told her he"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "was hiding. After the last call, he"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "texted his mother one more question. He"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "wanted to know what seph Brazil was."}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "Back in Germany, Sanja was afraid to"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "call back. If Lars was hiding, she"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "didn't want his phone to ring and give"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "him away. She booked him a flight home"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "for the next day. In the morning, Lars"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "called one more time to tell her the men"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "were getting closer. Then he texted her"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "that he'd made it to the airport. Sandre"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "bought him a bus ticket in case he still"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "couldn't fly and wired him €500 to cover"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "whatever he needed. He would never pick"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "up that money. He would never get on"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "that bus. And he would never take that"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "flight."}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "Lars walked into the terminal a little"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "after sunrise. He was carrying his"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "backpack and his [music] duffel bag. His"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "mother gave him one piece of advice. See"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "the airport doctor before the flight to"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "make sure it was safe to fly. So Lars"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "found the airport medical office. The"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "doctor on duty examined his ear and told"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "Lars it wasn't serious and cleared him"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "to fly. But Lars didn't want to leave"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "the doctor's office. The doctor said"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "Lars was nervous, erratic. [music] He"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "kept asking about his medication, the"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "Seprail. He said he didn't trust it. The"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "doctor told him it was just an"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "antibiotic, nothing to worry about."}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "Lars was just a few hours away from"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "home. All he had to do was walk to his"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "gate and get on the plane. Then a"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "construction worker stepped into the"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "doctor's office. The airport was under"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "renovation, so workers were coming and"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "going all the time. Nobody reacted"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "except Lars. He started to tremble. Then"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "he told the doctor, \"I don't want to die"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "here. I have to get out of here.\" And he"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "jumped and ran. The cameras caught all"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "of it. Lars tore through the terminal,"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "past the check-in counters, past"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "travelers wheeling their luggage toward"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "the gates, and straight out the front"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "doors. Outside, he slowed to a jog, but"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "he didn't stop. He kept moving, putting"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "distance between himself and whatever he"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "was running from. From the comm walkw"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "walk into the terminal to the dead"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "sprint out of it about half an hour. The"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "footage gets grainier the farther he"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "goes until Lars is just a small figure"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "in a yellow shirt running away from the"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "terminal. At the end of the airport"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "property, there is a fence over 6 ft"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "high with barbwire. The cameras never"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "saw him climb it, but two witnesses did."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "Lars went up and over it. His passport,"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "his phone, and his wallet were still"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "sitting in the doctor's office. Across"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "the fence was a field of sunflowers. And"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "in July, they are taller than a man."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "Beyond the field is a highway and past"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "that thick woods where no camera ever"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "caught him again. Lars went into that"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "field with nothing. And nothing is what"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "the searchers found."}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:12", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": ">> Bulgarian police searched the field, the"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "roads leading away from Varna, and the"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "woods around the airport. They found"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "nothing. [music] No clothes, no"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "belongings, no body, no sign that Lars"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "had ever been there."}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "His mother hired a private investigator"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "who checked hospitals for patients with"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "no identification. Sandre went to VA"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "herself and handed out flyers. Still"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "nothing. Germany's federal criminal"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "police listed Lars as a missing person"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "and the news covered it. The broadcast"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "alone brought in 75 tips, but none of"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "them led to Lars. The airport footage"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "went online where it's been viewed"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "millions of times and re-uploaded again"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "and again. Lars has been called the most"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "famous missing person on YouTube."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "Lars never filled that prescription. He"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "never took a pill. That comes from the"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "doctor at the airport, the last person"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "to ever speak to him. He said, \"I can't"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "think of a single reason why he left my"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "office in such a panic.\" He said he's"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "still confused."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "Lars had no history of mental illness."}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "There were no warning signs. Not to his"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "family, not to his five friends who just"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "spent a week with him. And he wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "man who ran from his life. He was the"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "son who came by after work because his"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "father had a stroke. He had a"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "girlfriend, a steady job, people"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "counting on him back home. Lars knew how"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "to hunt and fish, but he ran with no"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "food, no water, no supplies, not even an"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "extra t-shirt. Then the sighting"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "started. [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "About a year later, a truck driver"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "thought he saw Lars hitchhiking on a"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "road outside Varna. In late 2016, police"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "in Brazil found a man walking along a"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "highway with no ID. So confused he"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "couldn't say who he was. His photos"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "spread across social media and thousands"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "of people saw Lars Mitank in [music] his"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "face. He turned out to be a Canadian man"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "who had been missing for 5 years."}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "In 2019, a German trucker gave a ride to"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "a hitchhiker with long hair and a beard"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "and later realized that the man [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "looked like an older Lars, but none of"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "the sightings were ever confirmed."}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "Sandre runs a website called Find Lars"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "Mitank. She believes her son is alive,"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "that he lost his memory, that maybe he's"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "still out there somewhere, too scared to"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "ask anyone for help. Sandre has watched"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "the video, too. She says, \"Every time I"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "see it, I feel like I want to protect"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "him. I want to rescue him.\""}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "The cameras lost him at the edge of a"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "sunflower field. Every July, flowers"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "grow tall enough to hide a man. That was"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "12 Julies ago, and Lars Midtank never"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "came out."}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "Gather around. [music] This happened on"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "a Friday morning in September 2007. A"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "14-year-old boy walked into a railway"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "station in the north of England and"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "bought a one-way ticket to London. He"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "had 200 lb in his pocket and a portable"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "PlayStation in his bag. He did not bring"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "a phone. 2 hours later, his train pulled"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "into King's Cross [music] and a security"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "camera caught him walking out of the"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "station and into a city of 8 million"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "people."}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "Andrew Gazden was never seen again."}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "Andrew Gazden lived in Doncaster with"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "his parents and his older sister"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "Charlotte. He wore thick prescription"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "glasses and looked younger than 14. His"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "family called him Rue because, as his"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "dad put it, he was little and bouncy as"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "a kid. He loved heavy metal, Slipnot,"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "Muse, Marilyn Manson. After school, he"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "disappeared into the basement to play"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "video games. And he was brilliant,"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "ranked in the top 5% of students in the"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "entire country. His teachers figured he"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "was headed for Cambridge. The night"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "before he disappeared, the family put a"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "jigsaw puzzle out on the living room"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "floor and watched TV. It was an ordinary"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "night in every possible way. The next"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "morning, his dad had trouble waking him,"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "which never happened before. Andrew"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "seemed irritable, and that wasn't like"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "him either."}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "But a few minutes after 8, he walked out"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "the front door in his school uniform and"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "headed for the bus stop, the same bus he"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "took every morning. Andrew never missed"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "a day of school, not once in his life."}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "But that day, he did not get on the bus."}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "A family friend spotted him at 8:20,"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "sitting alone on a bench in a park"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "nearby. He was waiting, waiting for the"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "rest of his family to leave the house."}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "Once they did, he walked back home and"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "let himself in. He took off his school"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "uniform and put it in the washing"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "machine, then hung his blazer on the"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "back of his chair. This is exactly what"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "he did every day after school. Anyone"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "glancing into his room would think"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "Andrew came home at the normal time on a"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "normal day. Then he changed into a black"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "Slipnut t-shirt and black jeans. He"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "grabbed a bag covered in band patches"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "and tossed in his wallet, his keys, and"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "his PSP and nothing else. A neighbor"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "security camera picked him up walking"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "away from the house toward the train"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "station. At 9:08, he stopped at a cash"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "machine and withdrew £200. He reached"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "Doncaster Station at 9:22 and asked for"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "a one-way ticket to London. The clerk"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "thought he looked a little young to make"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "a 2-hour trip alone and offered him a"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "return trip almost for free. Andrew said"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "no. He boarded the train at 9:36 and a"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "passenger sitting across from him"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "remembered a quiet kid who played his"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "PSP the whole trip. At 11:20, the train"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "pulled into King's Cross. 5 minutes"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "later, CCTV caught Andrew walking at the"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "main entrance. Then he disappeared into"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "the city. His family wouldn't know for"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "hours. That evening, the Gustin sat down"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "for dinner. The blazer was on the chair"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "and the uniform was in the washer. So"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "they figured Andrew was home down in the"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "basement on his Xbox. They called him to"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "eat. No answer. He wasn't in the house."}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "They started calling everyone who might"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "know where he was. Neighbors, friends,"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "his school. That's when they learned"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "Andrew never showed up for class. The"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "school tried to call that morning, but"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "they dialed the wrong number and left a"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "voicemail [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "with the wrong family. So for an entire"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "day, nobody knew Andrew was gone. His"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "parents called the police."}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "There some was missing."}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "Even in 2007, London was covered in"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "cameras. More than one should have"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "caught Andrew leaving King's Cross and"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "moving into the city."}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "But when transport police first went"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "through the station footage, they didn't"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "recognize it. Andrew was 5'4 and thin."}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "just another little skinny kid in a"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "crowd of thousands. CCTV footage is"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "recorded over every month. So, the tape"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "of Andrew leaving King's Cross is the"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "last confirmed sighting of him. [music]"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "He walks out of frame and then he's"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "gone. And Andrew was almost impossible"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "to trace. [music] He didn't own a phone."}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "He went through a couple when he was"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "younger, but he kept losing them. When"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "his parents offered to replace his last"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "phone, he asked for an Xbox instead. He"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "had no email address and no social"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "media. He played video games, but never"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "online. He paid for everything in cash"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "and never touched his bank card. The"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "only computer in the house belonged to"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "his sister. Please search that along"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "with his school computers and found"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "nothing. No secret emails, no searches,"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "no plan, nothing. A 14-year-old boy with"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "no digital footprint walked into the"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "biggest city in Britain carrying cash"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "and disappeared."}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "And everything Andrew did that morning"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "is documented to the minute. the cash"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "machine at 9:08, the ticket window at"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "9:22, the train at 9:36, the station"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "exit at 11:25. After 11:25, there's"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "nothing at all. Not a camera, not a"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "witness, not a single trace from anyone"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "that's ever been confirmed. Once the"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "story hit the news, sightings came in"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "from all over the UK, and one of them"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "felt real. Someone at a Pizza Hut on"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "Oxford Street was sure they saw Andrew"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "there that same afternoon, and his"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "parents believed it. But it was never"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "proven, and neither were any of the"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "others."}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:19", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:21", "text": ">> It was just dead end after dead end. So,"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "the family did their own detective work."}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "His parents tracked down the clerk who"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "sold Andrew his ticket, and they found"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "the passenger who sat across from him on"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "the train. They traveled to London,"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "bought event magazines, and circled"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "everything a kid like Andrew might"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "attend, and there was plenty. The night"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "he disappeared, 30 Seconds to Mars"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "played London. A few bands were in town"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "that same week. For a metal kid with 200"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "lb in his pocket, the city was full of"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "opportunity. His parents handed out"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "flyers everywhere a boy like Andrew"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "might go. King Tut was at the British"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "Museum. They went there. They went to"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "concert venues. They went to the steps"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "of King Cross itself. They plastered his"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "face all over the city. Andrew planned"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "this, but nothing about it looked"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "permanent. [music] He left 100 lb of"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "birthday money sitting in his bedroom."}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "He left his passport. He left the"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "charger for his PSP that he took with"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "him. He didn't even bring a coat. But"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "days turned to weeks, [music] and weeks"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "turned to years. And who planned on"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "coming home, something went horribly"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "[music] wrong."}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "With nothing new to go on, the same"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "theories have circled for years. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "Andrew went to London for a concert and"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "somewhere in that crowd, something"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "happened to him. Maybe someone was"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "waiting for him at the other end."}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "somebody he knew about. Maybe he wanted"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "to start over as someone new and"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "actually pulled it off. There are no"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "warning signs, nothing to explain any of"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "this. His father said that even if"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "Andrew was hiding something from his"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "parents, he would have told his sister."}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "Charlotte and Andrew were best friends"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "who told each other everything, but he"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "never said a word. Then 14 years after"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "Andrew disappeared, police arrested two"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "men on suspicion of kidnapping and human"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "trafficking. And the arrests made"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "national headlines. 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The family"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "still runs a website and they hand out"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "flyers showing a computer's [music]"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "guess at what Andrew might look like"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "now, a grown man of 33. But one detail"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "about Andrew isn't a guess. He has a"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "double ridge on the cartilage of his"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "right ear. It's the kind of thing nobody"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "ever notices unless they're looking for"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "it. His parents still put money into his"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "bank account. 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CIA spends a"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "lot of time dealing with primal people."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "Because outside of the United States,"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "most human beings are just trying to"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "survive."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "Inside the United States is the only"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "place where we're as distracted as we"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "are with whether or not our"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "mother-in-law is going to say something"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "embarrassing at the dinner table on"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Thanksgiving, or whether or not our boss"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "is going to ask us to work late on the"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "weekend. In the rest of the world,"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "they don't know where the next meal's"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "coming from. They don't know if their"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "kids are coming home from school. 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And the 7-year-old holding"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "the 3-year-old and holding the dress or"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "the shoulders of the 11-year-old who's"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "standing on the front of the scooter"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "driving it in major traffic to take them"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "to and from the store or to and from"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "school."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "Right? And one accident of the"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "11-year-old, one mistake on the"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "11-year-old's part kills all three of"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "And that's not the only child driving,"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "not to mention the children who are just"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "walking across the street, and the"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "children, whatever else. And none of"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "that has to do with like the drunken"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "90-year-old guy that can't see who's"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "driving an oversized truck with three"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "split hogs in the back and not nobody's"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "following traffic laws. Like it's an"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "incredible thing. That's the rest of the"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "world. That's India. That's Southeast"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "Asia. That's Latin America. That's"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "That's parts of developing Europe. So"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "much of the world is primal. But here in"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "the United States, we're not. Here we"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "have other things, right? Emotions drive"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "Americans."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "Those emotions can be triggered by"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "anything from social media and politics"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "all the way down to religion and and"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "family values, right? Relationships"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "drive Americans."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "People that we think we need to listen"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "to, people we think we need to impress,"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "people that we feel loyal to, people"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "that abuse us."}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "There's a sense where we are driven by I"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "guess the best word is pressure."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "And that pressure can be pressure to"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "create more, pressure to make more,"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "pressure to be more. And that pressure"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "can come from inside ourselves or from"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "outside of ourselves. And then we're"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "also driven by time. We feel like we"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "have to make the most of the time that"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "we have. So we rush. We rush to the"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "place where we make ourselves shitty"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "meals because we're trying to make a"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "meal"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "in as little time as possible for"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "dinner, right? And we all fall victim to"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "this where we've made a number of bad"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "decisions in the day and now it's dinner"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "time and we're just going to make a bowl"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "of cereal. These are the things that"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "drive us, right? Our emotions, our"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "relationships, the pressure that we put"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "on ourselves, the pressure that other"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "people put on us, and the sense of time"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "that's totally perverted"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "because our perspective is is lost,"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "right? We live in this"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "in this envelope of American idealism."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "And because of that, we're so far"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "removed from our primal creatures."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "And these four things"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "affect everything. They affect our"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "relationships with our loved ones. They"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "affect our relationships with ourselves,"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "our mental health, our physical health."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "And we just keep being slave to them."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> And what are the four primal drivers of"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "every person. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "safety"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "is a major primal primal drive like"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "survivalism, if you will, right? Just"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "literally making it through to the next"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "day."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "Food, what you're going to eat, what"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "you're going to drink, and making sure"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "that it's it's"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "something that you can consume, shelter,"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "and some kind of community."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "If you have food, shelter, safety,"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "and community, your primal needs are"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "met. We all have that."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "And for that reason, we let ourselves"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "get distracted by things that are higher"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "up on Maslow's hierarchy. But, if we"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "were to stop and realize that we could"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "go all the way back and change those"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "same primal"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "needs, right? Just think about what"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "would happen if you changed"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "your form of shelter."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "And we can you can apply shelter to a a"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "number of things. Yes, your home, but"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "also your city,"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "your state, the school that your kids"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "are in, the office that you're in. These"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "are all forms of shelter. And how much"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "better would the rest of your life get"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "if you changed something about that"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "primal need? Chose a different state"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "where you might want to be, chose a"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "different job that you might enjoy doing"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "or that challenged you, right? Food,"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "changing what you eat literally changes"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "your life in a matter of hours. It"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "changes how your gut feels, it changes"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "your gut health, it changes your focus,"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "it changes your your level of sleep and"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "rest. It transforms everything."}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "Community,"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "the people who are around you literally"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "determine your future success and"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "trajectory. So, we're distracted by"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "these things that don't actually matter."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "You can try as hard as you want to to"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "change the pressure in your life, and"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "it's not going to make an outsized"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "change in your success. You need to"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "change the primal elements, not the"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "superficial elements."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": ">> What's something you've said in an"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "interview or podcast that you think"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "differently about today?"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> A lot."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "A lot. So, many of my podcast interviews"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "we became about current events."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "And I can appreciate that. 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This test"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "was developed to help you weaponize your"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "natural-born gifts and use them to get"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "ahead of 99% of people in power, wealth,"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "and purpose. It was also designed to"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "make sure that you can protect yourself"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "against those who would use their skills"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "against [music] you. I want you to"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "discover your secret spy superpower and"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "use it for good before somebody else"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "uses their power against you."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> The invasion of Ukraine, the attack on"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "Iran, the kidnapping of Maduro, the"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "first Iran-Israel war, the second"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "Iran-Israel war, like the bombing of"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "Gaza. All of this has happened in just a"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "few short years. And during that time"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "was the same time that I was growing in"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "terms of my media awareness."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "there are many things that I feel"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "differently about because context has"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "changed. I very much remember in 2022"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "talking about how"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "Russia was going to beat Ukraine by"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "going into some of the"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "southern cities, Odessa specifically, on"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "the coast of the Black Sea."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "Three months later,"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "there was a massive counterattack from"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "the Ukrainians that was backed by the"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "Americans. Nobody could see a"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "counterattack like that coming."}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "Nevertheless, as we sit here today in"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "2026, there is still no success from"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "either side in terms of a clear victory."}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "And Russia hasn't lost more than 3% of"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "ground. So, do I still believe that"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Russia is in the best position to win"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "that conflict? Absolutely. But,"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "of course there's millions of people now"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "out there who focus on the fact that I"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "said it was going to happen through"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "Odessa by a certain date. Completely"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "missing the fact that there was a major"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "change in the battlefield that came from"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "an ally supporting a surprise attack."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "That's just one example of how all of"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "this works. There's also I mean there's"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "There's points in time where I've tried"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "to tell people through podcast"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "interviews that certain people are worth"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "your time and certain people aren't."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "That's not a message the average person"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "likes to hear. We just talked today"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "about the 80/20 rule, right? If you"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "really listen to what I talked about the"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "80/20 rule, what I'm saying is that of"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "100% of all the people in your life,"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "80% are a waste of your time."}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "There's lots of people who don't like"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "hearing that lesson."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "So, I wish I could go back and change a"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "little bit about how I said that."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "There's a part of me that feels like I"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "should change the way I said that. But"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "then there's another part of me that"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "feels like the truth is the truth and"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "you have to deal with it. And if you're"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "somebody who gets upset when you hear"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "that you're not worth my time, that's"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "not something that should offend me,"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "that's something that you can change."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Because we all have the ability to make"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "ourselves more valuable, more"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "productive, more profitable than we are"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "right now. And if you want to be part of"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "someone else's 20%, you can earn it."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "But,"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "was it the right time to say that when I"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "was still starting out? Was it the right"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "time to turn people off right out of the"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "gates before they ever even, you know,"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "got a chance to know me? One of the"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "things I'm very proud of to this day"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "still is that if you do a Google search"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "for Andrew Bustamante scam,"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "there's no result, right? Nobody has"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "ever accused me of being a scam artist."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "They've accused me of all sorts of other"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "stuff, but they've never accused me of"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "being a scam artist. And And when you're"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "a media personality, that's that's a big"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "win."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": ">> You've said the CIA is morally"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "ambivalent about how it executes"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "operations."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "Give me the most morally"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "gray thing a CIA officer does as a"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "matter of routine."}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": ">> As a matter of routine, so I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "tell you I'm going to answer your"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "question, but then I also want to make"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "sure you understand that"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "what we do on a routine basis"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "isn't that impressive. It's what we do"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "in extreme situations that become"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "surprising, right? We routinely"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "lie to loved ones. We routinely"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "redirect funds. We routinely"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "cover up what actually happened in the"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "field by creatively adjusting something"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "that happens in an official document,"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "right? These are all things that that"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "happen routinely. And these are all"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "morally what we call morally flexible."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "All right. All right. [laughter] More"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": ">> Morally flexible."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": ">> Moral ambivalence is another good word"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "for that, right? But it's a moral"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "flexibility because you're always trying"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "to keep to the spirit of the operation."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "And the spirit of the operation"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "sometimes needs a little bit of help,"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "Which is very different than what you"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "see in the kind of traditional"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "mainstream world. But some of those"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "things might be surprising, they might"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "be disappointing, but everybody can I"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "think understand a little bit of what"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "it's like to massage a report, change a"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "small detail so it doesn't make the boss"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "too worried. We've all done the stuff"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "like this, right? The really interesting"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "moral flexible stuff, morally ambivalent"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "stuff that happens at CIA is when we"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "find access to a secret that we think is"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "so valuable that we're willing to do"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "things that nobody would have ever"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "thought we were willing to do, right?"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "Support a pedophile"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "in their efforts to do something else,"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "in their efforts to pursue their own"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "desires, but they also have access to"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "something that we really need. And"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "there's ways that we can do that. And"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "there's ways that we can do that that"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "are completely legal, right? Because"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "for example, the German intelligence"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "service in Germany, they see pedophilia"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "completely differently than we do. All"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "of Europe sees sexuality completely"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "differently than we see it in the United"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "States. So, we might be able to have a"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "German BND officer"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "actually provide confiscated pornography"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "from another operation to a target. So,"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "we didn't create it. We didn't make it"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "happen. We didn't do anything except you"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "know, confiscate it. And now we're"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "actually tracking and auditing its"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "location by giving it to somebody else"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "in exchange for secrets that keep the"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "West safe. Gold bars. There's a CI"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "officer who was just caught with $40"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "million in gold bars. How the does"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "that happen? That's a shocking thing,"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "Not if you're inside. It's not actually"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "that shocking."}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": ">> Is that that's common?"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:40", "text": ">> It's not common. This is what I'm"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "telling you. This is the difference"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "between routine and actual moral"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "flexibility, right? Because you don't"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "get $40 million. You don't get $40"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "million"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "worth of gold bars overnight."}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "What happens is you ask for four gold"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "bars"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "multiple times, and you they're given to"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "you multiple times, and you store them"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "in some sort of shed or garage or"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "whatever else. It takes time to do that"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "kind of thing. Well, why does that"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "happen? Because there are lots of cases"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "around the world where people want to"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "change exchange secrets, but they don't"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "want to do it for dollars."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "They want to do it for some other kind"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "of currency. And in the last 10 years,"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "gold has become an extremely valuable"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "resource, and"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "it's the most reliable of all currencies"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "over euros or yen or renminbi. So,"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "when more people are asking for their"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "payment in gold, it makes sense for case"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "officers to be stockpiling gold, so that"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "they can carry gold whenever they have"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "to go to a meeting."}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "But, enough of that turns into $40"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "million worth of gold in someone's"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "garage."}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "2 years ago, that 40 million that's in"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "his garage was only worth 10 million,"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "right? So, back then maybe it wasn't as"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "scary as it is now. But, as regardless"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "of the fact, the the point is whether"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "we're paying people in confiscated"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "pornography, or whether we're paying"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "people in gold bars, or whether we're"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "paying people in Johnny Walker Black,"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "right? We will do whatever we have to do"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "to get secrets to protect American"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "lives."}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": ">> Was there ever a direct order that you"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "couldn't execute?"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:12", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "I mean, there were plenty of orders I"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "didn't want to execute, and there's"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "plenty of orders that I thought weren't"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "right, morally right, ethically right,"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "strategically right, but that's not what"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "we're paid to do, right? We're paid to"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "go and do what we're told."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "Another kind of because it's a world of"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "lies and misdirection,"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "there are many times where an officer"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "gets a direct order,"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "they leave to go execute the order,"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "never actually execute the order, and"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "then come back and make a formal"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "statement that it was executed."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "And that's just the way it works."}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "That's"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "that is the world of intelligence,"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "right? That's That's what makes it so"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "different than the world of military or"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "law enforcement. Law enforcement has"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "become more of the we say it happened"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "just even though it didn't happen."}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "But, the military is still very strictly"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "accurate and reality-based, unless, you"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "know, somebody leaves a comment that"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "says otherwise."}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": ">> Is there a time where"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "an order is given, and that officer"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "says, \"You know what?"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "I don't think this is morally right."}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "Maybe I'll go act like I did it, act"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "like it I tried to do it, I couldn't"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "complete it, come back, make a report,"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "and kind of just said, 'I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "kind of"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "put a line in the sand here on some"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:26", "text": ">> So, yes, that happens, but it's you"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "know, you you make it sound like it's a"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "moral high ground. It's not always a"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "moral high ground. It's not always like"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "an officer says, \"Hey, you need to go"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "execute this thing.\" And then the"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "officer is like, \"Oh, I am morally"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "That's a morally repugnant thing that"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "you want me to do, right? You want me to"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "go kill a pregnant lady.\""}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "Right?"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "Most of the time,"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "what they're doing is they're protecting"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "their career. Most of the time, it's a"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "senior officer says, \"Go execute XYZ.\""}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "But that officer that they're giving the"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "order to already knows that the senior"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "officer is not in good favor with"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "somebody else. So, they'll pay lip"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "service. They'll go. They'll say it's"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "done. It's not actually done. Because"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "what they're really doing is trying to"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "maintain their what's called a rabbi or"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "a godfather. They're trying to maintain"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "the relationship with some other officer"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "who they believe will help them in the"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "future."}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> So, it's really just back down to"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "incentives and even in the CIA, it's"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "maybe power and position or money."}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:20", "text": ">> And this is an important thing to"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "understand because"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "we're talking about the distinct"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "difference between the CIA that you read"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "about and that you see in the movies"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "versus the real CIA. And if you look"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "back in the last few years of the real"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "CIA,"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "you saw a mass exodus from 2018 to 2020."}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "Right?"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "The estimated average loss was one"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "undercover officer a day"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "for two straight years."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "The publicly available numbers are that"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "there's only 10,000 undercover officers"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "at CIA. So, for two straight years, if"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "we were really losing one a day, you're"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "talking about losing nearly 700 trained"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "undercover officers just from 2018 to"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "2020. And it's now 2026."}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "Right? How many more continued to leave?"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "And then when you had the the change of"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "administration from Donald Trump to Joe"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "Biden, the Biden administration came in"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "with a whole huge hiring surge."}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "And if you recall, that hiring surge had"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "nothing to do with trying to hire people"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "who were pro-America ex- like"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "experienced government operators, none"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "of that. They were looking for LGBTQ and"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "people who were non- whatever,"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "non-traditional."}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "So, there were ads out for people with"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "handicaps, and there were ads out for"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "people who self-identified as a"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "different gender, and like the whole"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "woke culture really set in because as"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "presidents change, their government"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "policies change. Their government"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "policies are first and foremost enacted"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "in the hiring of government employees."}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "So, you had a huge exodus of skilled"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "people from 2018 to 2020, and then you"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "didn't have any hiring effort to hire"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "skilled people. You had a hiring effort"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "to hire people"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "who that had a political"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "uh goal behind them. And then Donald"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "Trump came right back into office again"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "in 2024, and then what happened, right?"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "And CIA is getting lots of credit for"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "very successful operations, whether it's"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "Iran or whether it's Venezuela. I'm"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "hoping that CIA really did do those"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "things. But, the benefit of the"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "president controlling CIA is that he can"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "say CIA did anything, and CIA will never"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "disagree. It could have been the"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "military, it could have been the"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "Israelis, it could have been, you know,"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "a joint force between the US Army and"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "the Mexican Army. And they'll give"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "credit to CIA because it obfuscates who"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "actually carried out the operation."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "So, is the CIA that we're reading about"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "now the same CIA that's capable and"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "efficient, or is it just a title that's"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "being used to kind of obfuscate the"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "truth? I don't know, but when you look"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "at the last 7 years of history at CIA,"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "it it paints a different picture."}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": ">> You've said intelligence agencies"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "operate under the assumption that at any"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "given moment there are two active"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "penetrations inside every major agency."}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "if the CIA had a mole right now, how"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "does an institution function when it"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "already knows it's been penetrated?"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a great question. And the the"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "the rule of thumb that we have is if you"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "haven't found a mole, you assume there's"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "two."}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "If you have found a mole, you suspect"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "there's five."}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "Because in order for a mole to have been"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "discovered, it means that"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "you"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "found them despite the fact that they"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "were hidden."}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "Which means that it took you this long"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "to find them. You're very You're much"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "less prepared than you thought you were,"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "so you have to assume that you're even"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "further penetrated than you actually"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "are. But you're always assuming that"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "you're penetrated at some level."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "How do they function? They function They"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "function the way that they're built to"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "function, and they're built to function"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "through compartmentalization. So, within"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "a government organization, let's just"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "take CIA as an example. CIA has multiple"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "departments that cover different"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "geographical areas of the world. So, if"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "you're part of geographical area South"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "America, you're not going to know what's"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "happening in geographical area East"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "Asia. And if you're part of East Asia,"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "you're not going to have idea of what's"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "going on in North America, right? So,"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "you got all these different"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "verticals that are compartmented,"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "meaning your login credentials that take"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "you into the actual computer system do"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "not grant you access to anything from"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "that other geographical region. There's"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "also horizontal"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "compartmentalization. So, if you are"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "part of the Mexico team, you don't get"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "to see what's happening at the highest"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "levels with the Argentina team. And if"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "you're part of the Singapore team, you"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "don't get to see what's happening at the"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "highest levels of the Malaysia team. So,"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "you've got this horizontal"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "compartmentation on top of this vertical"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "compartmentation, which makes it so that"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "you really only have a block of"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "information. Now, as officers go through"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "their career, they move from block to"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "block. So, they'll be in different"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "positions of access, which means that"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "any one person will have kind of"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "compiled information from multiple"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "locations, but the the assumption is no"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "person can remember all the secrets. So,"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "the the actual database has to protect"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "the secrets and what they track is a"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "person's credentials and what they've"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "had access to. So, that process of"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "cross-compartmentation"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "along with a complete retrievable audit"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "system is the only way that they have"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "found to handle an organization that you"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "know is going to be penetrated because"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "if it's penetrated,"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "you can find the person who's"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "penetrating it because you can find the"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "person who's behaving in a way that they"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "shouldn't be behaving. A person on the"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "Singapore desk trying to get information"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "on Mexico and a person who just came"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "from Mexico who's now on Singapore"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "trying to get information on Mexico."}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "That's outside of the norm. So, the"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "system will highlight these people and"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "then we have internal investigation"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "teams that will research these people"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "and we have of course you sign all of"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "your privacy rights away, so everything"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "is available to them to to surveil, to"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "to explore, to collect so that they can"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "build a case on you if they need to and"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "all most of those cases are something"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "that gets built and ex and prosecuted"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "very quickly and quietly because they"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "don't want the American people to"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "understand if and how much they've been"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "penetrated. It seems like that's an"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "environment where it's really hard to"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "trust people. I mean, that's if there's"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "anything that we've been able to talk"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "about today, it's how difficult that"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "culture is for trust and honesty, which"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "is just a fascinating thing because"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "national security is heavily contingent"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "on the truth that CIA can produce. And"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "I'm not here to say that I'm not trying"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "to trash talk CIA. I'm just trying to"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "tell the truth of what the culture was"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "like there, might still be like there. I"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "don't know, but when you're in an"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "organization that is"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "that is that focused and professional"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "when it comes to dishonesty, it becomes"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "its own kind of undoing."}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:06", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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When they look at you with that"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "confused expression, absent-mindedly"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "scratching their head, or even totally"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "forget that you've ever met before."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "Dolly Parton wasn't iconic because of"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "her hair, her body, or her music alone."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "Her promoters used a simple and"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "manipulative dark psychological"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "three-step model to make sure that Dolly"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "stuck in your memory. And in the next 30"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "seconds, I'm going to show you how to"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "use the same recipe so that you can"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "become unforgettable."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Andrew Bustamante"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Andrew Bustamante"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> Andrew Bustamante"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> Andrew Bustamante"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> Andrew Bustamante"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> That CIA guy on with the hair?"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> Andrew, it's been such an honor."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> Dolly Parton is cemented in the memories"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "of hundreds of millions of people"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "because of a dark psychological model"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "that I learned while I was at CIA. The"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "model is known as an emotional mnemonic."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "An emotional mnemonic works by hooking"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "your memory using emotional cues. I know"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "most of you watching just want to learn"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "this spy skill and move on. So, I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "going to teach you exactly how to use"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "emotional mnemonics first. But for those"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "of you who want to learn how Dolly used"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "emotional mnemonics and how the"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "psychology behind them works, I'll teach"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "you that in the second half of this"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "video. Emotional mnemonics rely on a"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "three-step pattern that appeals to three"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "strong psychological drivers in every"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "human being: safety, vulnerability, and"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "attraction. So, if you want to use"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "emotional mnemonics to make yourself"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "unforgettable, you just need to create"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "cues about yourself that hook another"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "person's sense of safety, vulnerability,"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "and attraction. Safety emotional cues"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "are things that make other people feel"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "safe around you. This could be a smile,"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "a sweater, or even a phrase that you"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "often repeat. Vulnerability emotional"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "cues are things that make another person"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "feel like you are sharing something"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "personal with them. These are often"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "stories that you say or write, but they"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "can also be pictures or even facial"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "expressions. Attraction emotional cues"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "are exactly what they sound like, things"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "that trigger a sense of attraction. This"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "could be intellectual attraction, but"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "are more commonly physical attraction,"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "like sexuality, physical power, or"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "expensive brands. That's it. That's your"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "30-second crash course in how you can"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "use emotional mnemonics to make yourself"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "unforgettable. Now, let's dive deeper so"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "that you can master this skill using"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "Dolly Parton as the perfect case study."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "Here's what's interesting about Dolly"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Parton. The obvious explanation for her"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "success is that she was talented, a"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "great songwriter, a distinctive voice, a"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "bigger than life personality, but talent"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "doesn't fully explain Dolly Parton."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "There are thousands of extraordinarily"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "talented people that you've never heard"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "of. Even more impressive, there are very"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "few people who can stay famous for more"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "than 60 years, loved by people who"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "disagree on almost everything else."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Human behavior creates patterns, and"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "once you recognize those patterns, you"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "can use them for your own benefit to get"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "people to trust you, to follow you, to"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "adore you. Dolly understood those"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "patterns more than most, but here's"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "where things get interesting. Some of"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "the psychological tools she used are"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "tools that we associate with"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "manipulation, influence, and even"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "deception. So, was Dolly Parton"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "manipulating America? Well, I guess"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "that's for you to decide, but first,"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "let's study how she was using emotional"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "mnemonics. The first step in the"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "emotional mnemonic pattern is to create"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "some sort of safety emotional cue, and"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "Dolly Parton had many different safety"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "emotional cues. She had a big toothy"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "smile that she wore all the time. She"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "had a wardrobe that was complimentary,"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "but still conservative by many"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "standards. And of course, she had that"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "big flowing hair. You can't picture"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "Dolly Parton without having a big smile"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "and big hair come to your mind right"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "now. Even as you picture her in"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "different wardrobes from dresses to"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "jackets, you have an image in your mind"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "cemented, hooked, that makes you feel"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "safe about Dolly Parton. It makes you"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "feel like she's your mom, she's your"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "neighbor, she's your friend, she might"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "even be your grandma. You don't feel"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "threatened by her. You don't feel"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "manipulated by her. You don't feel"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "seduced by her. You feel like she is a"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "beacon of security, a beacon of safety."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "And that image of Dolly Parton as a"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "picture of safety is an image that"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "carried with her during her entire"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "60-year career. Even as you read"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "headlines and watch news broadcasts"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "about her death, you see how positive"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "her image was. An image of safety, an"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "image of security. That is a powerful"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "first step required in creating an"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "emotional mnemonic. You have to give the"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "person sitting across from you, the"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "person watching you, the person"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "following you, a sense of safety first."}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "Because every human being is wired to"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "look at a new person, a new piece of"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "information, a new update through a lens"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "asking themselves if that new thing is a"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "threat or not a threat. And until the"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "brain can decide whether that new"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "information is threatening or"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "non-threatening, it can't do anything"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "else. Dolly Parton always appeared as a"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "non-threat, as a safe haven, a safe"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "person, a safe place to listen, to find"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "refuge, and to build trust. The second"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "step in the emotional mnemonic process"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "is creating vulnerability emotional"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "cues. And Dolly Parton was excellent at"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "creating vulnerability. Vulnerability in"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "her stories, vulnerability in her"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "interviews, vulnerability in her songs"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "themselves. She was known for writing"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "songs about her real life, for for"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "lyrics that connected with the lives"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "that millions of Americans were living"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "in real time. She always had honesty and"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "emotion and vulnerability built into her"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "lyrics. And every time she made a public"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "appearance on stage or on camera, her"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "stories resonated the same voice, the"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "same person, the same stories, the same"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "vulnerability that she sang about in her"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "music. That created a very consistent"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "experience for the American people. They"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "felt like the woman in front of the"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "camera was the same woman that was on"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "stage. The same voice that sang songs of"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "deep emotional power was the same woman"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "who went to bed at night alone. If you"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "haven't discovered your secret spy"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "superpower, then somebody else might be"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "using theirs against you. CIA teaches us"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "that there are only three types of"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "people in the world. Those who motivate,"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "those who manipulate, and those who are"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "being controlled by one of the other"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "two. 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This test was"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "developed to help you weaponize your"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "natural-born gifts and use them to get"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "ahead of 99% of people in power, wealth,"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "and purpose. It was also designed to"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "make sure that you can protect yourself"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "against those who would use their skills"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "against you. I want you to discover your"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "secret spy superpower and use it for"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "good before somebody else uses their"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "power against you. Vulnerability cues"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "are extremely important because CIA"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "teaches us that human beings connect"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "based on our vulnerabilities, not based"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "on our strengths. When two people talk"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "to each other about how good they are at"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "something, it creates a barrier that"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "prevents human connection. But when two"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "human beings talk to each other about"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "what makes them sad, what makes them"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "scared, what makes them feel hurt or"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "angry, then those two people build a a"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "faster, more powerful bond with one"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "another. So, that means every time Dolly"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Parton took the stage, she was building"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "a bond with the people listening to her,"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "the people watching her. She built a"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "bond with you and with me just like she"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "built a bond with our parents and our"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "parents' parents before us. The third"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "and final step in creating emotional"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "mnemonics is creating an attraction"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "emotional cue. And Dolly Parton was no"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "stranger to attraction cues. From her"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "big breasts that everyone remembers that"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "she admits to augmenting as early as age"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "22 all the way through to her small"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "waistline, her round hips, and her face"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "that was always done up with big eyes"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "and bright lips. Dolly Parton understood"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "that if you wanted to win the hearts and"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "minds of American men and women, you"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "needed to win the attention of American"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "men and women. And breasts, lips, and"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "hair are some of the most common"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "attraction cues that exist for both men"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "and women alike. They're just attractive"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "for different reasons. Men might look at"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "breasts as something that is physically"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "attractive, sexually appealing. Women"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "likewise look at breasts as something"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "that is visually appealing because that"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "is what the culture demands. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "even now in the modern day, there is an"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "increase in cup size and a decrease in"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "back size for the average American bra."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "Meaning that women in the modern day"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "have empirically larger breasts than"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "they did 20 or 50 years ago. And"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "likewise, while breasts are growing"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "larger, backs and frames are growing"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "smaller. So, it's not that there are"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "more big women and therefore more big"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "breasts. It's the opposite. There are"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "actually more small women with big"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "breasts. Dolly Parton understood this"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "long before we could even talk about sex"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "on a TV sitcom. She also maintained a"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "very strict diet to ensure that her"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "waistline was small and her hips were"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "curved. This isn't something she hides"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "or something she was embarrassed by. In"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "fact, it's something that she often"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "publicly disclosed, much like she openly"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "discussed her breast implants and the"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "amount of time she had to put in to hair"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "and makeup. Again, going back to"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "vulnerability emotional cues, Dolly"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "Parton was actually putting attention on"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "her attraction cues by sharing her"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "vulnerability cues. She was getting you"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "to think about her breasts and her face"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "and her hair, her lips, her hips, even"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "though she was telling you stories that"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "everybody could connect to. The"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "inconvenience of waking up early to put"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "on makeup, the pain and discomfort that"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "came from recovering from plastic"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "surgery. She was transparently"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "discussing things that made us feel"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "personally connected to Dolly Parton,"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "which gave us permission to focus on"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "those things that she was talking about."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "Things like the sexually attractive"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "parts of her body and the visually"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "attractive parts of her body for both"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "men and women. The reason Dolly Parton"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "is such a textbook case study for"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "emotional dynamics is because she"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "understood inherently what intelligence"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "officers have to learn in school. She"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "was able to captivate not just thousands"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "or millions of Americans, she was able"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "to captivate hundreds of millions of"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "Americans over six decades of fame. Yes,"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "she was talented and you can't deny her"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "her talent, but talent alone doesn't"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "explain her success. Just like your"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "capabilities and your talents and your"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "skills don't explain why it is that some"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "people still simply can't remember you."}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "And even more powerful, Dolly Parton"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "understood that if she wanted to be"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "remembered, there were certain steps,"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "certain actions that she had to take."}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "There was a three-step process that she"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "had to follow not just now, but for her"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "entire 60-year career to ensure that not"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "only was she remembered, but that she"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "would cement her place in musical"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "history, in American history for decades"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "to come. That same three-step process is"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "a process that you can use to get ahead"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "at work, to capture the attention of a"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "partner, to make sure that the partner"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "you have now recognizes and appreciates"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "you every single day. All you need to do"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "is remember to create emotional cues"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "that align to three strong psychological"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "drivers that are present in all human"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "beings. A safety emotional cue, a"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "vulnerability emotional cue, and an"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "attraction emotional cue. These three"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "cues will transform your professional"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "career. They'll transform your personal"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "relationships. They'll transform your"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "success now and in the future if you"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "understand them and apply them in the"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "same way that Dolly did. If you learn"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "something new from me today, don't keep"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "it to yourself. 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So, you may have an"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "apartment that's listed as your"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "apartment, but that's not where you"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "actually live. You sleep somewhere else,"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "you shower somewhere else, and it's easy"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "enough to even you don't have to have a"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "second apartment, you just don't use"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "your primary apartment. In the military,"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "it was very common for people who were"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "special operators to have a home or an"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "apartment that's listed, but they stayed"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "somewhere else. They stayed with"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "girlfriends, moms, dads, they showered"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "in their gym, played They would live"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "somewhere other than their publicly"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "disclosed home. And the same thing with"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "your vehicle. If you don't even use your"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "vehicle, then you can't be framed for"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "the misuse of your vehicle."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "You have an alibi, right? So, hiding"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "your information or or mis attributing"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "is the word that we use at CIA. You are"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "mis attributable. People think it's"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "yours, but you actually don't use it, so"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "they're mistaken."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "That's one way of covering it up."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "Another thing that you should do, if you"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "have to use your apartment, you have to"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "use your car, is something called"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "changing your pattern of life."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "Pattern of life means that you live your"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "life by a repeatable pattern. You wake"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "up at the same time, you go to the same"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "gym, you eat the same breakfast, you"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "shop at the same grocery store, you go"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "to the same coffee shop, you go to the"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "same restaurants."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "People can start to study your pattern"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "and then they know Tuesday night"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "Thaddeus is or"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "Thaddeus is going to go to Taco night at"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "at El Rio Taco Shop. That's what he does"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "every Tuesday between 5:00 and 6:00."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "If people know your pattern, they can"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "intercept you and attack you at your"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "pattern. So you want to change your"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "pattern so you don't do the same thing"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "every night of the week. You don't go to"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "the same grocery store. You don't drive"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "the same way from your house to the"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "grocery store and back again. You don't"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "walk the same way. You don't take the"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "same train. You change it. You don't"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "have to change it every day. You change"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "it once every two or three days, maybe"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "once a week, something. But you break"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "the pattern so people can't track you."}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": ">> Guys, isn't isn't he amazing?"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "I know. [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "Continue."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": ">> Uh another tool is your cell phone. Cell"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "phones are trackable."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": ">> Yeah, how how trackable they are?"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": ">> They are incredibly trackable. And and"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "it's not just trackable."}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": ">> iPhones as well."}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> Everything. Nothing is secure because"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "people can track you"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "based on different pieces of"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "information. So for example, if you just"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "have a normal cell phone, your cell"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "phone can be tracked by what's known as"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "your cell phone identifier, your IMEI."}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "So that's the actual signal that your"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "cell phone sends to a cell cell phone"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "tower."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "It can also be tracked by the apps on"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "the phone cuz the apps carry something"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "called AdSense or I'm sorry, ad tech. Ad"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "tech is a technology on your phone that"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "allows advertisements to appear on your"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "phone. Ad tech sends a completely"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "different signal than your than your"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "cell phone signal."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> So now if you want to track somebody by"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "their ad tech instead of their cell"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "phone signal, you can. You can actually"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "be tracked by your email on your cell"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "phone because you have an email"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "identifier, a token on your cell phone"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "that shows that you are validated as the"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "email user that's using the email on the"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "phone."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "So, you can track somebody by their"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "phone number, their email address, or"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "their ads their ad tech number."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "Then, you can also track people just by"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "the like the safety signal that the"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "secure that the phone sends even when"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "it's powered off. This is when you go to"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "find your phone, and you can find your"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "phone even when it's not powered on"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "because there's a passive signal that's"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "always happening. So, there's many many"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "ways that you can track a cell phone"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "totally legally."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "And that's used for commercial purposes"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "all the time because"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> And they pay this someone pays some"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "people to do this types of things."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": ">> I mean"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": ">> Or they're not like organized with"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "intelligence and all this stuff."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "to be clear, the four things that I just"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "said, you do that on your own. They're"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "businesses by themselves. You bought the"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "phone."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "You said yes to giving permission to"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "share your contacts, yes to sharing your"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "location. You said yes to all of those"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "things. That's how you can use maps."}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "That's how you can make cell phone"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "calls. That's how you can use Facebook"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "for free. You clicked yes, so you gave"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "permission for all these companies to"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "make money off of your data."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "All the intelligence service does is go"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "to the company and say, \"We would like"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "to buy the data.\""}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "They don't even have to"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "use force. 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This test"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "was developed to help you weaponize your"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "natural born gifts and use them to get"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "ahead of 99% of people in power, wealth,"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "and purpose. It was also designed to"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "make sure that you can protect yourself"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "against those who would use their skills"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "[music] against you. I want you to"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "discover your secret spy superpower and"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "use it for good before somebody else"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "uses [music] their power against you."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "The government doesn't have to say Apple"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "give me your information. The government"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "can go and say Apple will buy your"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "information. We'll buy all of your"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "information for the month of November."}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "How much does it cost? Done."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> And they sell it."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:36", "text": ">> And they sell it."}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "When Apple says it's secure, what it"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "means is that"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "it's secure against someone stealing"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "their information, but they still sell"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "your information. That's how they make"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "money."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> So they sell if someone"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "they can't go and buy my personal"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "Fidias' information?"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": ">> They They don't They can't buy"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "your information by your name."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "Right? They can't go to this They can't"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "go to your provider and say, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "give me the phone number for Fidias."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "Give me the email address for Fidias and"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "only give me his information.\" Instead,"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "they go in and they say, \"Hey, we want"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "all the information related to this"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "phone number, this email address,"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "whatever it might be. We want"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "information affiliated with that.\""}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "Well, once they know that that's what"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "they're buying,"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "so if they already know your phone"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "number, already know your email address,"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "or already know your city location,"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "they'll just buy everything."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "And then they'll they'll find you from"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "that. But the thing to understand is"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "that most intelligence services aren't"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "interested in a person. 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You're a 25-year-old engaged"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "male who works at the European Union"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Parliament."}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "They can find everybody else who's your"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "friend here"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "just by tracking where your phone goes,"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "what other phones are in proximity to"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "your phone, at what times of day, what"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "searches you're doing. Like, they can"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "create a whole map of all of your"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "network. And do they do it because they"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "want to spy on you? No, that's why"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "Russia might do it. But an advertiser"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "might do it because they just want you"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "to go to their nightclub. There's a new"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "nightclub that's opening three blocks"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "away from Parliament, and they want"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "everybody who's single under the age of"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "35 to go to that nightclub. So, they buy"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "the they buy the information, create the"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "network, and they see where do you guys"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "go drink your coffee? Where do you guys"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "what websites do you use? Where do you"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "Do you go to this grocery store or that"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "grocery store? So, they can advertise in"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "those places to find you."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:59", "text": ">> So, some things that one person can do"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "is change their patterns. Um"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "what what is"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": ">> Misattribute their location."}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": ">> Yes, misattribute their location so"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "their physical location is not there. Be"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "careful, maybe sometimes change phone"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "numbers. So"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> Correct. Misattribute your phone."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Misattributing your phone means that you"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "have two phones. You have one phone that"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "you use for personal, one phone that you"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "use for professional. And then by using"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "the two different phones for two"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "different things, the people who are"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "collecting your data don't really know"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "which one is which."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "So, you can misattribute your phone."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "Another great thing to do is use your"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "phone only from home,"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "and then use your computer from work."}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "So, then your phone never even leaves"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "your house."}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "And your computer never really leaves"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "your workstation."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "So if you don't want to have two phones,"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "then just practice your discipline."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "The"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "the bottom line with all things related"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "to security, and this is an EU thing and"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "a personal thing."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "CIA teaches us that there's a continuum"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "on one a line, a balance. On one side is"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "security."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "On the other side is convenience."}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "So the more you choose security, the"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "less convenient your life is."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "The more you choose convenience, the"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "less secure your life is."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "But you can't have it both ways. So"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "you're always choosing when you're going"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "to be more convenient and when you're"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "going to be more secure. That's changing"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "your pattern of life, having two phones,"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "living someplace other than your"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "apartment. These are not convenient"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "things. But they're very secure."}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:38", "text": ">> Okay. So you said"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "you explain exactly how the social"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "the intelligence work. Is the"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "intelligence in the EU"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "a good get a good mark, you think, on?"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": ">> You have some very good services in the"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "European Union. The DGSE in France is"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "very good. The BND in Germany is very"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "good."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "the Polish intelligence is very good."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "But I don't"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:04", "text": ">> That's about it."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> But I Well, those are the really, really"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "good services, right? But I don't"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "believe that they're sharing all their"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "information with each other."}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "Right? They share a little bit when"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "they're asked, maybe."}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "But it's not like they're sharing"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "It's not like they're sharing an"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "abundance of information."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": ">> we should?"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": ">> I think that if you want to have"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "collective security of Europe, you must."}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "If you keep if the if the European Union"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "keeps playing this game"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "where there multiple countries"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "that are independent first."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> That's this is the debate, more"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "sovereignty or more"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "togetherness. So, it's"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:44", "text": ">> If you if you want long-term"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": ">> cons, but"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": ">> And you have to For me,"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "what Europe needs to figure out is"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "whether or not it's more focused on"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "long-term security together or whether"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "it's more focused on long-term"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "independence."}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "It has to make that decision first. You"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "can't be both. You're wasting resources"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "trying to be both."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "And it doesn't have to be forever. It"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "just has to be for the next 2 years, 5"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "And then make a [ __ ] deal. Make a"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "pact. Make an agreement. Make an"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "alliance. Do something and commit to it."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "Because right now, the lack of"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "commitment just wastes everyone's time"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "and makes everyone less secure."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "It gives Russia everything it wants. It"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "gives America everything it wants."}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "Because you guys can't make a [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "decision."}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "Which only hurts you. As soon as you"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "make a decision and you stick to that"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "decision,"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "the United States and Russia start"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "[ __ ] their pants. Because now"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "they're like, \"Europe's going to start"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "making progress.\" And Europe must make"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "progress if it's going to be truly"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "strategically independent as a continent"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "in the future."}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": ">> What makes you excited when you wake up"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "in the morning? Why you still wake up in"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "the morning?"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": ">> My kids make me excited."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "My future"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> makes me excited. I can't say that the"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "future for my country, the future for my"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "friends' countries makes me excited, but"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "my personal future makes me very"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "excited. I love the world. I don't like"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "the people in the world, but"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:14", "text": ">> You ask what?"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:16", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": ">> But I love the world. Oceans are"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "beautiful. Skies are beautiful. Sunset"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "is beautiful. Trees smell great. My dog"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "running in the forest or running through"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "the tall grass makes me happy."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> don't want to talk with them, but you"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "don't like them as well, the people?"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": ">> I don't want to talk to people and I"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "don't like people."}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "I'm here talking to you so that I can"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "talk to one person I enjoy."}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "But I'm pretty sure most of the people"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "watching I probably wouldn't enjoy. And"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "frankly speaking, you wouldn't enjoy me"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "either, so."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": ">> So you don't like people?"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "You like some people?"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": ">> I like some people."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "I like people like we said at the very"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "beginning. I like people who are focused"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "on high impact,"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "high importance"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "work that will change the future."}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "But that's not most people. That's only"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "a few people."}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": ">> Okay, very interesting. So you are"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "excited about your future."}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": ">> And that's what keeps you up."}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": ">> Yeah, I mean I have beautiful children,"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "I have a wonderful wife, I have a very"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "successful, very healthy business that's"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "growing."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "My business is so successful most of the"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "people I talk to are exactly who I want"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "to talk to."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "My clients are successful,"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "high-achieving, hard-working, s-"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "s- legacy-focused people."}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "I'm in the European Union Parliament"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "building right now."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": ">> And you are going to give a speech to"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "the members of the European Parliament."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": ">> This is exciting. This is a privilege."}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "This is an honor. I'm an American"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "invited here by you. That's"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "that that's important. I'm not We're not"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "talking about the our favorite show on"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "Netflix."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:57", "text": ">> Why not?"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "What's your favorite show on Netflix?"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:14:59", "text": ">> watch [clears throat] I don't watch TV,"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "so I don't have one."}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": ">> What? You don't have TV?"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": ">> I I have a TV, but I don't watch it. My"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "kids watch it, my wife watches it. They"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "enjoy it. You would have a conversation"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "about my my wife's favorite show, but"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "but not mine."}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:12", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:15", "text": ">> [gasps]"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": ">> So what do we should expect from you"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "long-term?"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "What you are going to do in the world?"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": ">> Probably be"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "pretty selfish."}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": ">> But you will be a billionaire?"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": ">> I'm I'm going to pursue being wealthy,"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "but I'm not going to be a billionaire."}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:32", "text": ">> You don't want to?"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:35", "text": ">> It's too much work. Yeah, to make that"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "much money is a lot of work and a lot of"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "stress. I am very happy just having a"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "few million dollars myself, right?"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": ">> I want to raise my kids. I want to be"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "there for them when they're teenagers. I"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "want to grow my business and turn it"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "over to"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "other see another CEO, another COO. I"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "would love to I would love to retire in"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "the next 2 years."}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:54", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:55", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:01", "text": ">> Yeah, and just kind of be less be less"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "than 50 years old and essentially stop"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "working. That's That's my goal."}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "And spend my time"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "learning instruments and learning art. I"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "love art museums, traveling around"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "Europe seeing the most beautiful art"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "museums is a very enriching, fulfilling"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "experience for me."}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "So, I want to spend more time in the"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "world and spend less time working and a"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "lot less time with people."}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": ">> You're starting your career"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "and you're starting your"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "journey in politics. So, you have a lot"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "of years ahead of you where you are"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "dealing with people."}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:44", "text": ">> But I like people."}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:44", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": ">> So, uh okay. How was how did you find"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "now our conversation?"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:54", "text": ">> I enjoy it. I always enjoy talking to"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "you. I enjoyed talking to you yesterday"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "off camera. I enjoyed talking to you"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "today on camera."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "I think that's uh"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "I You're the kind of person that gives"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "me hope for the future. You're the kind"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "of person that gives me hope for Europe."}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "don't disappoint."}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:12", "text": ">> You."}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "So, the last question is because we have"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "an event that you we guys will put it"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "after here. You're going to see it if"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "it's uploaded right now. Probably it"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "will be the event uploaded in a week"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "from now. It'll be here. You're going to"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "watch it after the event."}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "Uh but the question is uh"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "if this is your last uh seconds in this"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "planet,"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "what you want to say? Uh"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "to your wife or to the people in the"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "world, what is your you want your last"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "words to be in this planet?"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": ">> This is such a healthy exercise for"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "anybody who hasn't done it. It's such a"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "healthy exercise. And I remember the"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "first time you asked me this question on"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "our first interview. And I don't think"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "it's going to be that different this"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "time, either."}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "But I would talk to my children, and I"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "would tell my son how proud I am that he"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "is so kind and so generous not just to"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "uh us, but to complete strangers. He's"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "everything I never was and everything I"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "wish I could one day be. And to my"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "daughter, I love that you are so"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "excited for life, and you are so full of"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "happiness, and you are so just magically"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "curious and confident, and you're"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "everything that I've always wanted in a"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "little girl, and you're everything I"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "hope all future little girls can be"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "because little girls like you are going"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "to grow up to be big girls who do just"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "amazing things. And my wife has given me"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "so much, and she has sacrificed so much,"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "and I just appreciate everything you've"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "given to me personally, what you've"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "given to me with our two children, what"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "you've given to me with your tears and"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "your support and your patience and your"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "frustration as I've built a business, as"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "I went around the world, as I took risks"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "with CIA."}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "I am so incredibly grateful that you"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "chose to be my wife when you could have"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "chosen to be so many other things. And"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "the three of you make everything worth"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "it. You make every late night, every"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "frustration, every illness, every ache"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "and pain in my body, every gray hair on"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "my face, you make everything worth it,"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "and I"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "I am so sad that this is"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "the last time I get to talk to you."}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "That's"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "That's it. That's what I was saying."}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:41", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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Here's how it works."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Andrew Bustmente."}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:14", "text": ">> Andrew Bostamante."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Andrew Bante."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:16", "text": ">> Andrew Bamante."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": ">> Andrew Bamante."}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:18", "text": ">> That CIA guy on with the hair."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> Andrew. It's been such an honor."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "Instead of starting with the most"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "important task on your to-do list, start"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "with the task that takes the least"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "amount of time and then do the next"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "shortest task after that and the next"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "fastest task after that. For those of"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "you who want to understand the"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "psychological foundation for this"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "operational task, I'll explain that"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "later on in the video. But for those of"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "you looking to massively increase your"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "productivity today, that's all you have"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "to do. You have to do the shortest,"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "fastest task first. Even though that's"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "the opposite of everything you've ever"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "been taught in grade school, college,"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "and even on the job training, the"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "foundation for this operational"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "principle lies in the fact that you've"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "been conditioned to be a cog in a large"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "economic productivity wheel ever since"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "the day you were born. Your grandparents"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "have been part of that machine. Your"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "parents were part of that machine. Every"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "teacher you've ever had from grade"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "school to university has been part of"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "that machine. Even the company you work"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "for right now is part of that machine."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "And that machine is focused on the"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "overall productivity of the masses, not"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "the productivity of the individual."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "Group productivity relies on something"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "called minations, the actual actions of"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "a machine. Largecale productivity that's"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "done reliably and consistently over"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "time. Individual productivity relies on"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "something called momentum or increased"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "energy that occurs over a short period"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "of time as individuals create more"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "output. Think of minations, mass"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "productivity, like you think of a"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "professional sports team. 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But"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "when one player has a breakout moment"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "and they carry the ball more than"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "halfway across the field, whether you're"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "talking about basketball or football or"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "a puck in hockey, we all know the"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "momentum that comes when that one person"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "has an incredible amount of productivity"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "in a very short period of time. This is"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "the difference between mass productivity"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "and individual productivity. CIA teaches"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "its officers to view productivity"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "through this lens because the vast"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "majority of the work we do, we do as"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "individuals, not as part of a larger"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "group. Even though the larger group"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "effort is what creates the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "products, the intelligence assessments,"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "the intelligence insights that are used"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "by the president, every one of those"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "insights comes from an individual"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "person's efforts creating and collecting"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "and processing intelligence over time."}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "Whether you work for a large company or"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "a small company or even your own"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "company, the same thing is true for you."}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "Every day you have to carry out a series"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "of productive tasks that move you"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "forward personally, that move your"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "health forward, that move your family"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "forward, that move your career forward."}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "Mass productivity, mination, is"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "something that you've been taught since"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "you were a child. When a government"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "creates systems of governance, systems"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "of education, systems of health care, it"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "relies on minations. relies on mass"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "productivity because it creates a"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "consistent and reliable output from a"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "group. That kind of mass productivity is"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "important for a government that wants to"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "have a predictable tax base, a"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "predictable law enforcement foundation,"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "a predictable population for volunteer"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "military service. Individual momentum"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "doesn't necessarily work against"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "government goals, but it's much more"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "difficult for the government to find a"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "way to consistently create momentum for"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "all the individuals within their system."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "So that's why you have felt like you've"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "been part of a larger machine your whole"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "life because you actually have. You were"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "part of a machine to get a diploma, part"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "of a machine to get a degree, a machine"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "to get a job, a machine to get a"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "promotion, a machine to get the title"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "and the rank that you carry right now."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "And as you look forward to the future,"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "you already are predicting that you will"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "continue to have to be that same"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "machine, playing by someone else's"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "rules, grinding your way day by day to"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "the place that you hope you finish. CIA"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "taught us that momentum beats minations"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "because individuals have an ability to"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "be far more productive when they are"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "outside of the system than when they are"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "inside of the system. And you've seen"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "this yourself. Every time you find the"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "energy and focus to complete a weekend"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "project in 2 days when you can't"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "complete a work project in 5 days. Every"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "time you find yourself up later than you"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "expected reading a book, writing a song,"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "or writing your future novel. These are"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "all examples of your individual momentum"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "carrying you further than minations can"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "carry you. The challenge is that most"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "people don't know how to unlock their"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "individual momentum because they've been"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "trained their whole life to follow mass"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "productivity, to follow minations. So"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "let's jump into the psychology behind"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "how you unlock your individual momentum."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "The foundation of momentum starts from a"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "simple economic truth. All resources are"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "limited. CIA teaches that there are only"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "three resources that apply to an"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "operation. Time, money, and energy. Now,"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "of those three resources, all of which"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "are limited, some of them are more"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "limited than others. Understanding that"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "those three resources are all"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "fundamentally limited, they are not all"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "fundamentally equal in their ability to"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "be generated quickly. Meaning each of"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "those resources can be increased, but"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "they cannot be increased equally at the"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "same time. The easiest resource to"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "increase quickly is energy. And that's"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "the foundation for where momentum comes"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "from. Here's how it works. 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He set"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "the dominoes up individually, not in any"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "sort of pattern, not in any sort of row."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "And he showed me that you have to put"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "energy into knocking each domino over"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "one flick of the finger at a time. Then"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "he took the same dominoes and lined them"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "up in a row and showed me that he could"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "flick over just the first domino and the"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "momentum from that one domino would"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "knock over all the others. This was how"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "he taught me to visualize the idea of"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "momentum. You can either put your time,"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "energy, and money into knocking dominoes"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "over one at a time, or you can put your"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "limited resources into knocking over"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "just the first domino and letting"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "momentum knock over all the others. This"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "applies in your everyday life, whether"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "it's at work or whether it's at home, or"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "whether it's somewhere in between. You"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "can either choose to take on tasks that"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "seem to be unrelated, pouring your"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "energy into each of them one at a time,"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "or you can choose to take on tasks in a"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "certain order that build momentum over"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "time. The shortcut to building that"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "momentum is to choose tasks based on the"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "length of time it takes to complete"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "them. Instead of trying to complete"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "large complicated tasks, try to complete"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "small simple tasks. Even if those small"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "simple tasks seem unrelated to the"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "larger complicated tasks, the truth is"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "that the dopamine and momentum that you"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "will build completing the smaller tasks"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "will be far more productive than what"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "would happen if it took you days, hours,"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "or even weeks to complete a long"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "complicated task. When you complete"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "tasks that take a short period of time,"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "you create both operational momentum and"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "that chemical dopamine momentum that"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "drive you into the next task. And after"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "a few small tasks are completed, what"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "you find is that you've made progress on"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "not only the small tasks, but also"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "progress on the longer complicated tasks"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "that are awaiting you. Let's take an"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "example from your workday to demonstrate"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "this. Many people start their workday by"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "having to show up to the office, get on"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "their computer, check their email, and"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "start preparing for a series of"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "meetings. 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Because the majority of those"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "emails are very likely requesting a"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "response and the majority of those"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "meetings very likely have a series of"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "simple follow-up actions that are also"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "required before the next meeting. Not to"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "mention the fact that you have total"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "control over when you respond to those"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "emails and what actions you take to"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "support those meetings. Now, contrast"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "that against the larger projects that"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "you have to complete. Whether it's a"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "project you have to complete this week,"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "next week or next month. Very likely"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "each of those projects require inputs"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "from other people. And very likely each"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "of those projects requires a series of"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "emails or a series of meetings before"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "the project can [clears throat] be"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "completed. Now if you focus on the"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "productivity of the project, what"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "happens is you lose momentum because you"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "don't have enough dopamine to carry you"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "through the entire process of completing"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "a 5day, 5 hour or 5w week project. 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If you"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "can increase the amount of energy you"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "have to carry out a project, then you'll"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "complete the project in less time. Time"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "being a second limited resource. So, now"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "you've increased your energy by taking"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "on small tasks and building momentum."}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "And you've also increased your available"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "time because you decreased the total"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "amount of time that you needed for the"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "project by increasing the energy that"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "went into the project. So now you've"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "increased your energy because dopamine"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "has not only carried you from task to"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "task, but now you have the dopamine rush"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "of finishing an entire project. And you"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "have finished that project in less time"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "than what was required. Meaning you also"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "have a net excess of time. Two of the"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "three resources you need. And it doesn't"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "stop there because with that increased"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "energy and that excess of time, you have"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "the ability to transform those two"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "resources into more money than what your"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "competitors can create. Whether you're"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "an artist creating more art, a project"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "manager reallocating resources to a"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "different project, or whether you're an"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "entrepreneur creating more sales and new"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "products, when you have more resources"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "than your competitors, you have more"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "opportunity than your competitors. And"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "that's the heart of the entire domino"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "principle. It's about creating more"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "resources where other people are asking"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "for more resources. It's about creating"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "opportunity while other people are"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "waiting for opportunity to be given to"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "them. Your most productive days are"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "still ahead of you. You just have to"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "stop thinking through a lens of"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "machination and start thinking through a"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "lens of momentum. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "For three generations, Americans have"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "all been given the same bad advice for"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "how to respond to a public shooting."}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "Run, hide, fight. In reality, run, hide,"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "fight was never created to keep you"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "safe. People from school houses to"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "church houses are being told that run,"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "hide, fight will keep them safe even"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "though it won't. Today, I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "tell you why run, hide, fight doesn't"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "work. And I'm going to tell you exactly"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "why you and your children are still"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "being taught run, hide, fight, even"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "though law enforcement, and politicians"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "know it doesn't work. But most important"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "of all, I'm going to teach you the"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "three-step system that does work. The"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "system that's currently being taught to"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "military, police officers, and first"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "responders all over the world so that"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "you can use it to keep you and your"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "loved ones safe anytime, now, and in the"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "future."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Andrew Bante."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Andrew Bamante."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Andy Bamante. Andrew Bamante."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> Andrew Bamante."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> It's what you see when you watch James"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Bond, minus all the shooting and the"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "high-speed boat chases, right?"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Andrew Bamante. Ladies and gentlemen,"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> public shootings are an epidemic that's"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "spreading worldwide. While they're most"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "commonly attributed to the United"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "States, they're popping up further and"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "further a field in places like Europe,"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "the Middle East, and even Australia. And"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "while the idea of a stranger in a public"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "place having a gun is a terrifying"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "thought, nothing is scarier than the"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "idea that you may not know what to do to"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "keep your family safe if you find"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "yourself in that situation. Worldwide,"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "the data is clear. Public shootings"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "happen far more often in the second half"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "of the year than they do in the first"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "half of the year. Some of that is tied"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "to seasonal cycles because people are"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "more likely to be in public places in"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "the summer and the early fall rather"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "than in the winter and the early spring."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "But most of it is actually tied to"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "social cycles because research shows"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "that things like depression and"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "loneliness peak in the same months as"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "public exposure peaks. And the very same"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "people who are feeling lonely and"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "depressed in those summer months spent"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "the winter months planning and"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "premeditating acts of violence. So, what"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "that means for you and me is that the"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "next 6 months of 2026 are going to be"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "far more dangerous than the first 6"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "months of 2026. This is information that"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "law enforcement and government officials"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "have known for a long time. And it's the"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "very same information that led to the"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "creation of Run, Hide, Fight in the late"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "1970s. At that period of time, public"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "shootings were reaching an all-time"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "high. and public officials were looking"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "for a way to try to calm their"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "constituency down by giving them some"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "sort of guidance that kept them outside,"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "kept them going to public places, kept"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "them feeding the economic engine that"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "drives the United States. And a fear of"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "going out in public would have a very"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "real impact on national GDP. So, it"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "became a political priority for law"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "enforcement to find a way to bring peace"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "and comfort back to the everyday"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "household. But there were a couple of"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "rules that those politicians put in"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "place for law enforcement. First, they"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "had to come up with something quickly."}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "Second, they had to come up with"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "something memorable. And third, they had"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "to come up with something that could be"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "taught to people of all ages and all"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "education levels within the United"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "States. Hence, what you and I have come"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "to know as run, hide, fight. Three very"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "simple, one-cllable, memorable words"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "that we learn as young children and"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "remember well into our senior years. Law"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "enforcement didn't create Run, Hide,"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "Fight because of some series of tests"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "that they carried out to prove exactly"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "how to best respond to a public"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "shooting. They created Run, Hide, Fight"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "because it was easy, because it was"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "simple, because it was memorable, and"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "because it satisfied a political"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "priority, not a public safety priority."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "In addition to the policy flaws of Run,"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "Hide Fight, there are also significant"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "tactical flaws in Run, Hide Fight. And"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "let's talk about those first. We're all"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "taught to have the same initial first"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "reaction to a public shooting and that"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "is to run. But the problem is where are"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "you supposed to run? Now, generally"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "speaking, we're all taught that when you"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "hear the word run, it means run away."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "And when you run away from a threat, it"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "means that you turn your back on that"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "threat and run as fast as you can in the"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "opposite direction. There are three"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "major problems that arise when you"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "choose to run away from an active"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "shooter. First, when you turn your back"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "on that shooter, you're actually"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "exposing more of the vulnerable parts of"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "your body to the shooter. You're showing"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "them your spine and the back of your"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "skull, and you're giving them easy"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "access to some of the organs that exist"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "inside your body. Second, you make"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "yourself completely blind in the"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "direction of the threat. They can look"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "at you, but you can't look at them"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "because you have turned your back on"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "them. Third, when you choose to run away"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "from a shooter, you don't actually make"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "yourself a more difficult target. you"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "keep yourself inside the same area that"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "they were aiming previously. Now, when"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "you take that and you multiply it across"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "multiple people because you're in a"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "public setting, you have multiple"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "people, possibly hundreds of people, who"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "all choose to turn their back, exposing"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "their most vulnerable parts of their"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "body, and all choose to crowd together"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "and run away blind to their threat and"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "as one center of mass that makes them a"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "very easy target for the shooter. So the"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "very first step of run, hide, fight"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "doesn't make you safer. It actually"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "makes you more vulnerable. Now the major"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "flaw with the second step in run, hide,"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "fight is that it makes you believe that"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "you can't hide until after you run. Even"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "though hiding might actually be the best"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "first course of action for you. Which"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "means many people would have a perfectly"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "good hiding place if they chose to use"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "it. But that's not what they were wired"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "to think. They were wired to think that"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "they had to run first. So they choose to"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "run away from a perfectly good hiding"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "place. And since they're joining a group"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "and all running in the same direction,"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "there's going to be more competition for"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "the few hiding places that really do"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "exist. So again, we have a situation"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "where hide doesn't actually keep anyone"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "safer. If anything, it makes them run"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "away from a perfectly good hiding place"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "because the first step that they were"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "taught wasn't to hide. It was to run."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "Which brings us to the third and final"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "step in runhide fight, which is of"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "course the word fight. Now, the flaws"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "for fighting back against an active"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "shooter are countless. Not only do they"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "have the element of surprise, but in"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "almost every case, they also have"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "superior firepower. And by choosing to"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "run and hide, you've put yourself at"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "both a strategic and a tactical"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "disadvantage in your own environment."}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "And none of this even considers the fact"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "that the shooter premeditated and"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "planned the attack where you, your loved"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "ones, me, and my loved ones are all"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "simply reacting to whatever action the"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "shooter puts in motion. So when you put"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "everything together, you realize that"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "not only is fight the last option, but"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "fight is the least realistic option"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "because if you follow the guidance to"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "run and hide first, you've put yourself"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "in the least favorable situation to"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "successfully carry out any kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "fight. 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But nevertheless,"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "despite the obvious flaws in the run,"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "hide, fight paradigm, it continues to be"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "the go-to method taught by politicians,"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "police, and even retired military, not"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "only to children, but also to places of"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "worship and places of business. The"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "truth is there is a better security"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "paradigm out there, a process being"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "taught to police officers and military"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "members and public officials, but for"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "some reason not being taught to the"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "public itself. And that process is"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "called cover, think, react. In the event"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "of a public shooting, you and your"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "family should seek out a position of"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "cover. For this conversation, I want you"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "to think of cover as either a place that"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "could potentially block a bullet or a"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "place that blocks the shooter's ability"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "to see you. I understand that there are"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "all sorts of definitions out there for"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "concealment versus cover, etc., etc.,"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "but all of that is just noise and extra"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "complexity. All you need to think about"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "is getting away from the shooter and"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "getting to a place where they can't see"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "you or if they can see you, it's"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "difficult for them to reach you. What"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "does that look like? That could look"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "like hiding behind a desk, hiding behind"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "a door. That could even mean laying flat"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "on the floor against a corner or in the"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "wedge of a wall. Anything that gets you"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "out of the primary line of focus of the"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "shooter. Because what research has shown"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "is that when people commit acts of"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "violence, they gain tunnel vision. And"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "in that tunnel vision, they become very"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "focused only on what's directly in front"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "of them. So the things that are in the"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "peripheral vision, on the outskirts of"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "that shooter's vision, are essentially"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "invisible. From your position of cover,"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "you can move into the second step of"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "cover, think, react. You can take time"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "to think. Thinking means you can assess"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "your environment. You can actually look"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "at where the shooter is. You can assess"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "what weapons they're carrying, what"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "direction they're moving in. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "there's even more than one of them."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "Thinking also gives you a chance to"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "assess the environment that you're in."}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "Maybe there's a window or a door or an"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "emergency stairwell that you can exit."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "It gives you a chance to see what"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "everybody else in the crowd is doing."}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "Are they all running in the other"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "direction? It also gives you a chance to"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "assess whether your current position of"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "cover is good enough to just stay in one"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "place. Maybe the safest thing to do is"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "to not take any additional action at"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "all. If the shooter is moving away from"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "you in a direction towards a crowd and"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "you are in a very safe spot to take"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "cover, you may not have to do anything"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "at all except wait for the violence to"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "end. Which takes you to the third step"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "in the process. React. The best"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "reactions only come when you've had a"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "chance to think. Maybe the best reaction"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "is to stay put. Maybe the best reaction"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "is to make a run for a side door. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "the best reaction is just to carefully"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "sneak to a nearby room and get better"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "cover than you have now. However you"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "choose to react, you are guaranteed to"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "be reacting from a position of superior"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "information. Because you gave yourself"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "the opportunity to think, now you"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "actually have a sense of time. You're"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "oriented in your environment, and you"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "have created options for yourself that"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "simply don't exist for the person who"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "follows, run, hide, fight. You just"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "amplified your survivability in a public"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "shooting, and you created the most"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "effective situation possible for keeping"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "your loved ones safe. This is"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "information that military and police and"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "first responders are taught and already"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "know. But for some reason, it has not"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "been shared with the public. It's not"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "being taught in schools. It's not being"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "taught in workplaces, and it's not being"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "taught in churches. I want you to take"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "this information forward. Teach it to"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "your family. Share it with your"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "workplace. Give it to your church."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "Cover, think, react is a far more"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "effective tool than run, hide, fight"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "ever was. Cover, think, react was"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "created to keep people safe. Where run,"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "hide, fight was created to keep"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "politicians safe. Cover, think, react is"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "a logical process that gives you more"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "options. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "This is a fantastic example of what we"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "call influence"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "uh influence literacy at CIA. You have"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "to be literate in understanding when"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "someone is trying to influence you. What"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "is Netanyahu's native language? What's"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "the native language of Israel?"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> Hebrew,"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> He's not speaking in Hebrew. He's"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "speaking in English. So, who is the"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "intended audience?"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> English speakaking world. Well, who's"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "part of the English speakaking world?"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "The United States and and Great Britain,"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "of course. So, he's not even talking to"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "Israelis. He's talking to the United"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "States. He doesn't mention Israel. He"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "only talks about America. Why is the why"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "is the prime minister of somebody else's"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "somebody else's country talking about"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "threats to the United States"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> doesn't make any sense. And then on top"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "of that, he he used a word that we have"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "never heard before when regards to Iran."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Blackmail."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> Blackmail is a terrifying word. It's a"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "triggering word for Americans."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "Maybe it's a triggering word for for"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "Israelis, too. But why would he use that"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "word? And that word does not fit in the"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "context of any of the threats that we've"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "ever heard about coming from Iran. So"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "here we have somebody else's foreign"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "leader telling us that America was being"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "threatened with blackmail. And that's"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "before we even get into the physical"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "impossibilities of an unpenetrable"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "underground bunker being built within"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "months. And and the data points just"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "don't line up. the data points between"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "the ODNI report that we talked about"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "that said that there was no enrichment"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "program or an unlikely nuclear program"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "plus the fact that we had"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "representatives of the Trump uh"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "administration saying that Iran was 5"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "days away from a nuclear weapon plus now"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "we have this saying months away from an"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "underground bunker. These are all very"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "different contradicting statements. So"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "my influence literacy is telling me that"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "this is intentional"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "disinformation or what could be known as"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "malicious information, malin information"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "where it is partly true but it is"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "delivered in a way in order to cause"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "damage or or fear and anxiety."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> All right, that's really interesting. So"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "along those lines, there's another clip"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "from Tucker Carlson where he is talking"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "about MSAD agents getting picked up for"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "potentially bombing. I think it was in"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "Qatar and somewhere else. And he is"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "becoming increasingly anti-Israel."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "And so I will ask you after seeing that"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "Tucker Carlson clip, do you have the"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "same Spidey senses that he's trying to"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "influence and an anti-Israel direction"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "with this idea that um I think he"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "specifically said something like uh they"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "want to hurt all these different"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "countries in the region. Um are we being"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "influenced there?"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> Ter Carlson's a fantastic comparison to"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "the Netanyahu clip, right? The Netanyahu"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "clip was clearly shaped for all"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "Americans. It didn't have a specific"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "slant. If I recall right, even the text"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "of his words flipped between red and"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "blue."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": ">> There was no political bias in what he"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "was saying."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> That's interesting."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> He was talking to Americans."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": ">> Influence literacy is is an awesome"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "thing when you start to learn it, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": ">> Tucker Carlson, on the other hand, is"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "clearly pandering to a niche. And it's a"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "niche of people who already doubt,"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "suspect, beyond being skeptical, they're"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "conspiratorial of Israel. Could Israel"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "have carried out false flag operations?"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "Yes, it's possible. Would they choose to"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "do it now when actual real damage is"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "being done by Iran on its own?"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "What's the benefit? What's the benefit"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "of of risking the blowback of Qatar"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "capturing a MSA agent like he's"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "claiming? The blowback is huge. if it's"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "real. Now Qatar is like, \"Well, I don't"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "[ __ ] Iran or [ __ ] Israel, right? I"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "thought Iran was my enemy, but now I'm"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "not so sure, but I know Israel is my"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "enemy.\" It's a huge blowback risk for"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "what? For one bomb to go off when when"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "just leave Iran to its own. It's going"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "to keep launching rockets that keep"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "getting intercepted and it's going to be"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "the clear bad guy. So, it doesn't make"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "strategic sense for Israel to make that"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "to take that risk."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "Does that I mean Israel is one of the"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "countries that takes the most dramatic"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "risks in the world but for this for"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "Qatar for Bahrain for for any country in"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "the Khi Arab world why right now all the"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "momentum is in favor of Israel in the"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "Khi world let let Israel take the"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "bullets and take the damage and put"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "themselves in harm's way to neutralize"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "Iran which has long posed a threat to"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "the Khi Arab countries. So Tucker"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "doesn't make any sense, but he's"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "pitching. He's shaping his narrative to"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "a very specific niche that already"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "believes in something that doesn't make"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "sense."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": ">> Do you pay attention to Tucker?"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> There are certain influencers out there"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "that I'm just really sad have influence"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "and Tucker Carlson is one of them."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": ">> Do you think he's making this stuff up?"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "Does he believe this stuff and is just"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "saying it and he's misreading the world"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "or"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> that's I I hope that his journalistic"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "career would give him enough [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "moral guidance and intellectual honesty"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "to not just parrot [ __ ] for reaction or"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "for a paycheck. I would hope. But I"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "don't know Tucker's life. Maybe that's"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "exactly what he's doing. Maybe there's"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "maybe there's some other agenda. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "he has gone off the deep end. people"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "change. Who knows? But the vast majority"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "of what I hear from Tucker Carlson,"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "going all the way back to his interview"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "with Putin, it does not strike me as a"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "professional interview or professional"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "journalist, anybody with any kind of"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "ethical guidelines for factually"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "reporting information or vetting"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "yourself before you share an opinion."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "It's a it's [clears throat] a shame."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "It's a shame because I think he could"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "have been something so much bigger and"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "better than he is. But maybe he's"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "counting his victory in dollar signs and"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "and likes from some subset of crazies. I"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "don't know."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> Where do you see the war going from"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "here? Like, do you think there's going"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "to be boots on the ground? Is that a red"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "line where Trump would rather see a burn"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "than do that? Like, where where do we"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "go? If you haven't discovered your"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "secret spy superpower, then somebody"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "else might be using theirs against you."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "CIA teaches us that there are only three"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "types of people in the world. Those who"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "motivate, those who manipulate, and"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "those who are being controlled by one of"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "the other two. I created a threeinut CIA"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "style quiz to help you unlock your"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "secret psychological advantage and"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "identify your hidden blind spot. All you"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "have to do is click on the first link in"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "the description below or scan the QR"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "code on your screen and you'll be taken"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "directly to your private quiz. This test"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "was developed to help you weaponize your"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "naturalb born gifts and use them to get"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "ahead of 99% of people in power, wealth,"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "and purpose. It was also designed to"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "make sure that you can protect yourself"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "against those who would use their skills"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "[music] against you. I want you to"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "discover your secret spy superpower and"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "use it for good before somebody else"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "uses their power against you. I really"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "like the idea of always exercising an"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "economic outlook on what's going on in"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "Iran. And and when I ask myself wasn't"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "was attacking Iran good for America, I"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "feel like you made a pretty good case"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "earlier that it was good for America"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "economically speaking. if it pays out"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "the way we hope for it to pay out,"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "meaning stability in the Straits of"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "Hormuz and you know a less radicalized"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "government and and uh reinvestment in"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "the United States coming from the Middle"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "East. If if big bold giant if all of"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "that happens, boom, it was good for"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "America. But is it good for America"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "right now?"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": ">> Could the same benefit have been gained"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "six months down the road, two weeks down"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "the road, two years ago? One of the the"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "narratives that we're being fed is that"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "this was the last best chance. That's"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "what Trump just said, right? This was"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "the last best chance to take down Iran."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "I don't see the evidence to say that"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "this was the last best chance. Not the"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "last chance or the best chance."}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": ">> Um, and to your point about the targets"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "that were selected and we're completely"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "glossing over the process. We Israel, we"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "supported Israel in the known"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "assassination of a head of state and"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "accepted the collateral damage of"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "multiple civilians that had nothing to"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "do with it. His his wife being one of"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "them, his children being another one. We"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "and we we supported it with our"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "resources, our tax dollars, our military"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "hardware, even though we know that it is"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "not only a deviation from international"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "norms, but it is against international"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "law, part of the law that we put in"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "place to attack a head of state. That's"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "not supposed to. We don't. The United"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "States as a policy from his from back"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "before I joined CIA does not assassinate"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "world leaders. And even now, we still"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "have the plausible deniability to say,"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "well, we didn't do it. Israel did it. We"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "just kind of saw it happen. We just gave"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "them the whatever intel it was that"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "helped validate their target set for"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "that day. But I think Trump wants the"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "credit for killing him. He has said he"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "tried to take me out twice. Looks like I"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "got him first. I guess I'm even creating"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "jobs in Iran. I mean, it's wild. I"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "agree. Assuming these are all actual"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "statements is I did not hear them. I saw"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "them printed, but"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": ">> but it's it's such a huge deviation from"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "anything that we've ever said."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> It's a deviation from what our"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> bombing people like supposedly Obama was"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "bombing without congressional approval."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> Is Trump really the first to do it or"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": ">> There's two titles that kind of dictate"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "combat. There's title 10 and title 50."}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "Tell me if you're if I'm boring you."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> No. at all."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": ">> Title 10 is what gives the United States"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "military the ability to carry out"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "wartime operations. Title 50 is what"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "gives the CIA the opportunity to carry"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "out covert action operations using"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "whatever resources the executive chooses"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "to assign. So Title 50 coverage is"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "what's required by law for covert"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "action. So when CIA is called in to take"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "out any kind of operation, it's a covert"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "action operation and they can pull"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "resources from anywhere in the US"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "inventory. It can pull military members,"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "it can pull weapons, it can pull planes,"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "it can pull satellites, it can pull"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "whatever and put them all under this"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "convenient little package called title"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "title 50 that gives them the ability to"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "do it all as covert action which sits"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "under the office of the president sole"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "discretionary decision-making. Right?"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "So what Obama did was set a precedent"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "for Title 50 use and he used that"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "specifically to target leaders of"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "terrorist organizations, not heads of"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "state. Right? Even targeting Osama bin"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "Laden wasn't a head of state. He was the"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "leader of an ideological"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "um non-state actor, but he didn't use it"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "to target presidents, prime ministers,"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "kings. Those are all heads of state. But"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "it did create this"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "this capacity, this tolerance for"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "executive order after executive order"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "and secret mission after secret mission"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "that doesn't get disclosed to the"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "American public until we have this the"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "ultimate takeown of Osama bin Laden in"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "2011 that was adopted by Trump in 2016."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "difference was that Donald Trump when he"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "took over there was all the Russian"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "collusion stuff and CIA didn't like"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "their new president and he didn't like"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "CIA so he shuttered CIA's budget and"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "huge amounts of people started quitting"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "CIA and CIA attritted down to this"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "skeleton of a of a group where all the"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "talent really either left or tried to"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "leave and all that was left behind were"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "the people trying to scrape by their"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "retirement or or ideologically aligned"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "with Donald Trump at the time but that"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "was CIA from 2016 to 2020. And then"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "Biden came in. Biden had to rebuild CIA"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "the the best that he could and tried to"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "make them ideologically aligned with his"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "interest, which is why you started to"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "see all the DEI stuff. And for anybody"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "who who tried to look at applying or"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "working for CA between 2020 and 2024,"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "you probably only saw handicapped"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "advertisements and gay LBGBT LGBTQ"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "flags in every assign in every"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "advertisement for CIA. That's they were"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "looking for diversity and inclusion and"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "that was the goal. Um, and that's what"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "it looked like from 2020 to 2024. And"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "then Trump takes office again. Now he"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "appoints Radcliffe who you never hear"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "about because he doesn't really do"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "anything. And somehow CIA is super"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "capable, super effective, super close to"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "Donald Trump. I don't buy that. What I"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "think is happening is CIA is being used"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "as a shield. Their name is being used as"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "a shield for other capabilities that"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "Donald Trump can actually leverage."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:29", "text": ">> Say more."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": ">> Because the central intelligence agency"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "by design in the infrastructure of"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "national intelligence is a shield. It's"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "the central hub. Meaning all other"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "intelligence collected by the United"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "States must go through the CIA to be"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "processed into a final product to be"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "delivered to the president. So in that"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "way all intelligence"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "can be credited to CIA and CIA can mask"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "the true source of all intelligence that"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "comes in and that includes foreign"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "intelligence. So when Colombia or Mexico"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "or Israel or Ghana when they share an"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "intelligence report with the United"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "States, they share it with the CIA and"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "CIA then has to go through the process"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "of reviewing it, processing it,"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "digesting it, and turning it into a"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "product. Which means it's not the"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "Ganaian that get credit for the report."}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "It's CIA that gets credit for the"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "report."}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:26", "text": ">> That's why how did we get Venezuela CIA"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "intel? How do we get how did Mexico uh"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "kill the head of the new Hiliscoco"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "generation? CIA intelligence. And how do"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "we get into Iran and find the leaders?"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "CIA intelligence. It wasn't CIA. It was"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "somebody else filtering their"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "information through the bureaucratic"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "engine of CIA. And then CIA gets the"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "credit."}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": ">> Do you have a sense of who it actually"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "is?"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:51", "text": ">> Yes and no. Um for example, with Iran,"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "Iran's a great example because people"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "want to accuse Israel. Oh, Israel's the"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "puppet master. Israel's controlling"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "everything. More likely, Israel had the"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "dominant information of Iran at the time"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "because Iran has been a has been a um"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "existential threat to Israel for"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "decades. So, Israel has the most"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "powerful human networks in Iran. Israel"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "was the one that went in in June and"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "wiped out their air defense system."}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "Like, Israel has Iran on lockdown"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "intelligence- wise. United States"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "doesn't. The United States has struggled"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "with Iran since before I even joined"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "CIA."}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:25", "text": ">> They've never had great access into"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "Iran."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:28", "text": ">> You just don't get the culture or"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": ">> we don't get the culture. It's low on"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "our priority list. If you recall, I I"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "said where did Iran land on either the"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "ODNI or the Department of War or the"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "White House priority list? It wasn't"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "even on the list. Right? The country is"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "named, but in terms of the priorities,"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "it's not listed. So decades of investing"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "so little into building an intelligence"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "network in Iran means that you're not"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "going to have any information on Iran."}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "And that's why we've always relied on"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "Israel to be the foundation for that"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "meaningful intelligence on Iran. But"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "Israel chooses what to share. Whenever"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "you control the intelligence and you"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "share it with a partner, you choose what"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "to share and what to keep back. So to"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "offset the fact that Israel might"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "manipulate us, we also look to Jordan"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "and Saudi Arabia and UAE to share their"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "intelligence on Iran. And when messages"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "corroborate, we believe that it's true."}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "And when messages conflict, then we try"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "to find more information."}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "So the attack, the timing, the"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "effectiveness, the choice, the decision"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "to go into Iran is largely being"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "credited to CIA intelligence, which"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "really means somebody else most likely"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "gave that intelligence to CIA and"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "selected which intelligence they were"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "going to share. I think Israel was"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "probably 80% of that. Saudi Arabia, UAE"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "was probably fiveish% of that. Jordan"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "was the other fiveish percent. Maybe the"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "maybe the United States did offer up um"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "satellite NSA signal intelligence"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "collection of specific cell phone"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "indicators that Israel told us to watch,"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "but I don't think that we had any idea"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "on our own. And the same thing is true"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "in Venezuela. I don't believe we had"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "much. Venezuela's been a black box to us"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "since before I was even at CIA. So, let"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "alone after I left CIA, after it had its"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "fallout with with Donald Trump, after it"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "went through its struggling hiring"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "process in the Biden administration, you"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "think that led to a very capable,"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "well-informed CIA? No. I think CIA found"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "a way to partner with corporate with"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "corporate private intelligence"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "organizations with regional partners and"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "coalate their intelligence use that to"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "accommodate or accentuate some of our"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "resources at NSA or NRO and we were able"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "to find the right time in the right"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "place to give the Mexicans hit"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "instructions and to take down Maduro."}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": ">> What do you think the role of AI and"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "Palunteer are in all of this? So, I"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "can't talk about Palunteer, which is"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "probably"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "telling for you. So, I'm not gonna I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "not going to discuss Palanteer"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:57", "text": ">> Sips Tall."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "But I will say this, when I joined CI in"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "2007, we were already using AI. We were"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "using AI to process mass uh uh big data"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "sets and turn them into meaningful"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "foundational"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "um targeting data sets that we could"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "then put human brains around to try to"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "make operational decisions around."}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "Right? So it was really being used as"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "kind of an an archival organizational"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "processing um tool. But that was before"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "AI was even a an idea really in everyday"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "life. So as AI has grown more and more"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "powerful, I am certain that CIA and"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "other intelligence organizations have"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "become more and more adept at using it,"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "DoD is always one of the heaviest or the"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "national security infrastructure is"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "always one of the heaviest investors in"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "a new technology."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "So the future of everything,"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "intelligence, combat, ground force,"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "battlefield tactics, all of it hinges"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "heavily on who has the advantage in"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "artificial intelligence."}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "And there's a race. And again, when you"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "when I look at the capitalist values of"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "the United States against the democratic"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "values of the United States, the"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "collective democratic values would say"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "be careful with this technology."}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "But the capitalist I must win says my"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "competition isn't being careful with"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "this technology. So why should I be"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "careful with this technology? And of"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "course, our biggest competition is"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "China. And China is racing at full speed"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "to figure out AI and learn how to"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "integrate it and learn how to take the"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "rails off and let it teach itself and"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "all that [ __ ] So that means we have to"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "do the same thing according to our"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "policy makers. And and you can't argue"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "with that to a certain extent. You can't"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "argue with it because if whatever danger"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "is unlocked with AI is going to be"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "unlocked whether it's unlocked by a red,"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "white, and blue flag or a red and yellow"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "flag like the AI is not going to care"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "about national boundaries like we do."}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "Now, what do you think about um"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "Anthropic with Claude refusing to take"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "the guard rails off?"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> I think that that was a responsible"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "decision. And even now, as I understand"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "it, OpenAI is saying that they will"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "still that that the contract that they"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "signed is really very similar to the"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "demands that Anthropic asked for, but"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "the the US administration had already"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "shut down one deal, so they had to sign"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "another deal. and that OpenAI promises"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "to maintain the guard rails that are"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "dictated in their contract. So"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": ">> So wait, OpenAI is saying we're not"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "acquiescing either."}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": ">> Correct. My understanding is Open Eye is"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "saying we are basically signing the same"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "deal that Anthropic asked for. I don't"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "know why people are accusing us of of"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "sacrificing everything, of giving up all"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "of our moral uh high ground. And not"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "only are we keeping these things in the"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "contract, but we've already said in the"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "contract we're going to enforce this as"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "well. It's all promises and bluster."}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "We'll see how it actually plays out. But"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "that's my understanding of the situation"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "and I could be reading the wrong"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "article, misinformed or anything else."}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:03", "text": ">> It's very interesting. I am certainly"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "making assumptions as I look at the"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "situation. But yes, I just assumed that"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "the reason that they went with AI was"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "that AI uh open AI was not putting the"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "same restrictions on them. Otherwise,"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "why would you change? I mean, I guess it"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "could just be the world's dumbest move."}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "Um, but that is very surprising if"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "people really are gonna"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": ">> and the world's dumbest move is becoming"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "less surprising when it comes to the"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "decisions that our administration makes."}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "[music]"}]

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What do you see?"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "Now, look right here. It was there the"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "entire time. Your eyes saw it, but your"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "brain didn't. That's not a glitch in"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "your brain, that's your brain doing"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "exactly what it's designed to do. It"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "filters out enormous amounts of"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "information, reconstructs what's left,"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "and then gives you something that feels"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "like reality, but it isn't reality. It's"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "just your brain's best guess at reality."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "There's a scientist who believes that"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "this goes much further than just optical"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "illusions."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> The probability of zero that any sensory"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "system has ever been shaped to see any"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "true feature of objective reality."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> His argument is that evolution actually"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "rewarded human beings for not seeing"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "reality as it truly exists, which raises"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "an uncomfortable question. What else is"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "right in front of you that your brain"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "doesn't let you see? CIA taught me that"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "understanding the gap between what"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "really exists and what people perceive"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "exists puts you in control of what"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "happens next. Imagine I send you into"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "this room and give you 5 seconds to look"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "around. Then, I pull you out. What color"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "was the chair? How many people were"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "inside? Was there a camera in the corner"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "of the room? What was sitting on the"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "table? You'll probably get some of the"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "answers right, but here's the problem."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "You'll also get some of them wrong, but"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "still think that you were right. And"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "that's the part that matters. Your brain"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "doesn't show you everything and it also"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "doesn't tell you where its gaps are. It"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "just fills in those gaps. Your eyes"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "collect information, but your brain"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "decides what's important. Everything"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "else gets compressed, ignored,"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "reconstructed, and then your brain hands"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "you a final conclusion and says, \"This"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "is your reality.\" Even though someone"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "else's reality might be completely"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "different. This is Donald Hoffman, a"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "cognitive scientist who spent decades"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "studying human perception. His argument"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "takes this idea somewhere much stranger."}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "He believes evolution didn't optimize us"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "to perceive truth. It optimized us to"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "survive. And those may sound like the"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "same thing, but they're not. Imagine"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "you're one of your own ancestors. You"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "don't need to recognize the color of an"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "animal's fur. You need to know, can it"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "kill me? You don't need to perceive the"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "correct number of trees or the time of"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "day in your environment. You need to"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "know, where can I find food? Where can I"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "find shelter? Where might the threat be"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "hiding? Your brain doesn't want to show"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "you everything. It doesn't need to show"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "you everything. So, it only shows you"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "what it thinks is useful. And once you"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "understand that, you understand that"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "this is not a conversation about optical"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "illusions. Because if Hoffman is right,"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "then this isn't an example of your brain"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "being fooled at all. It's an example of"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "your brain working exactly how it's"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "intended to work. Which brings us to the"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "question you've been asking yourself."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "Can other people exploit your blind"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "spots? Can you exploit theirs? Can"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "understanding the shortcuts of the human"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "brain allow you to control what someone"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "else sees, understands, believes? You"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "don't have to manipulate reality to"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "manipulate them. You just have to change"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "what they're paying attention to. And"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "that's where things get dangerous. At"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "CIA, we call this priming. Priming is"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "the process by which you prime a"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "person's brain to perceive reality a"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "certain way. And you prime in a number"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "of different ways. First, you can prime"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "by the vocabulary you use. If I tell you"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "that I really like orange juice and that"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "my favorite kind of sunrise is one where"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "the sun burns orange on the horizon as"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "it comes up. Then the next time you see"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "a painting or a picture, you are very"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "likely to key in first on the color"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "orange. Maybe you don't believe me. So"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "let me tell you this instead. I already"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "know what kind of breakfast fruit you're"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "thinking of as soon as I say the word"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "breakfast fruit and it's not an apple."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "We use priming all the time. You can"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "prime a target before ever talking to"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "them by shaping who calls them on the"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "phone, what emails they open, by going"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "through their mail or placing certain"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "advertisements in their inbox. You can"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "prime the person you're talking to to"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "believe the thing that you're about to"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "say without using any kind of evidence"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "or proof, just by leading them down a"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "trail where they're exposed to"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "information before they're exposed to"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "that information by you. This is"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "something that you do every day when you"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "make movie recommendations or book"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "recommendations. 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Either way, you're priming the"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "target for the thing that you're about"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "to say next. If you haven't discovered"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "your secret spy superpower, then"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "somebody else might be using theirs"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "against you. CIA teaches us that there"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "are only three types of people in the"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "world, those who motivate, those who"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "manipulate, and those who are being"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "controlled by one of the other two. I"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "created a three-minute CIA-style quiz to"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "help you unlock your secret"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "psychological advantage and identify"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "your hidden blind spot. All you have to"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "do is click on the first link in the"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "description below or scan the QR code on"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "your screen and you'll be taken directly"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "to your private quiz. This test was"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "developed to help you weaponize your"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "natural-born gifts and use them to get"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "ahead of 99% of people in power, wealth,"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "and purpose. It was also designed to"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "make sure that you can protect yourself"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "against those who would use their skills"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "[music] against you. I want you to"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "discover your secret spy superpower and"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "use it for good before somebody else"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "uses their power against you."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> Something like it's a really good movie"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "or it should be the next book you read."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "Through the eyes of the person you're"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "talking to, they've never read the book,"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "they've never seen the movie, they"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "possibly never even heard of the author"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "or the director. But what do they now"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "believe to be true? That the book or the"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "movie is good. Just because they've been"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "primed. Not only primed by the words"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "that you said, but primed by the order"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "that you presented them. This happens"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "when you walk into a luxury hotel and"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "you see the expansive space, the marble"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "floors, and the fine furniture in the"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "corners. 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While CIA teaches us how"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "to use priming for operational use in"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "the field, in reality priming is used"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "all the time by the people around you."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "By advertisers, by marketers, by abusive"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "boyfriends, girlfriends, and spouses."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "When abusive people use the concept of"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "priming, what they're actually doing is"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "they're priming you to believe that"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "they're innocent. 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And"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "your brain is susceptible to this"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "because it was wired to look for things"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "that are an active threat, not to look"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "for things that are an active fact. A"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "fantastic exercise just to see this for"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "yourself is to put both feet flat on the"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "ground and put your hands on the table"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "in front of you. Take a deep breath in"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "and look straight ahead into the"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "distance. 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The difference was by"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "highlighting it to you, I primed your"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "mind to identify what was happening."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "Even by priming you to feel like your"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "hands are clammy, you might actually"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "feel like your hands are dry. In"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "reality, your hands are neither wet nor"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "dry. 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Cuz those are all I maybe the"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "humble I don't know but the rest of them"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "the rest of them are true, right?"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "Especially I am married to an extrovert."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "I do come from very humble beginnings"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "and just a high school education. I went"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "to college for one day. How but how did"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "you figure that out just in a few"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "minutes of chatting with me?"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> Uh so there's a couple of things. One,"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "the way that you're dressed. The way"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "that you're dressed does not denote a"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "person who comes from wealth, but it"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "also does not denote a person who is"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "focused on what other people think of"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "them. Right? So you've developed"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "companies and you've sold companies. Uh"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "you're self-funding your own media"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "position. So there's obviously"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "disposable income there, but you're not"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "wearing that disposable income. 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If you"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "are the person who tears yourself down,"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "she is most likely the person who builds"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "you up. If you're the person who has a"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "low libido, she is most likely the"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "person that has the high libido."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": ">> You're blowing my mind. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "Um, and how would agents use this type"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "of information to kind of get what they"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "want out of a conversation? 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There's a chance"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "that you're not in a functioning"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "relationship and that your partner is"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "just like you. There's a chance that my"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "entire assessment could have been wrong."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "So, my goal is to assess quickly and"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "then start to probe to see whether or"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "not I get information that confirms or"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "rejects my previous assessment. All in"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "an effort of trying to build trust. The"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "by telling you what my assessment was, I"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "actually broke some of that trust. When"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "you didn't know what my assessment was,"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "you may have trusted me actually more"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "because I could have continued saying"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "things that just seem to be in line with"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "your beliefs. Now, you know that I have"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "a pre-existing idea. So whenever I say"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "something to you from now on, you're"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "going to wonder whether or not I'm just"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "manipulating you."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> And the CIA trains you to make anyone"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "trust you instantly. Is that right?"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> It's not instant, but it's fast."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> We call it rapid trust. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> And what's the one trick that works on"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "everybody?"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> I don't mean to be particular about"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "terminology, but terminology is"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "something that's very important to us."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "So we don't call them tricks. We call"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "them tactics or tools."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Right? One of the the fastest, most"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "effective tactics for getting someone to"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "trust you and trust you rapidly is by"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "mirroring them. Now, mirroring at a very"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "basic level is something that people do"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "all the time, right? Uh you make eye"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "contact when you're mirroring somebody"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "else's eye contact. If they're leaning"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "forward, you're leaning forward. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "you and I are literally at the same"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "table leaning in the same way, wearing"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "the same color shirt. There's a lot of"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "mirroring that's happening naturally."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "And mirroring subconsciously creates the"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "idea that the person you're talking to"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "is just like you. But mirroring that is"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "visible is the most basic kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "mirroring. You can also mirror people"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "through the words that you use. You can"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "mirror people through the the speed that"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "you speak. You can mirror people through"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "mirroring their beliefs or their ideas."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "So if you started talking about"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "Christianity, I would start talking"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "about Christianity to try to mirror your"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "ideology and then continue to build that"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "foundation of trust. So these tactics"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "are all very very powerful. They're"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "psychologically viable. They're"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "empirically proven. It's just a matter"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "of how many can you layer in as short a"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "period of time as possible so that you"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "can hook that target, confirm their"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "access, and make them into an asset. So,"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "if you had to have like a three-step"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "playbook, number one is mirror them. So,"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "if they're talking about something,"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "you're talking about that same topic."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "What's step two, step three?"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> So, step one would actually be to"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "listen. When you appear, you listen."}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "Right? I don't know if you recall when"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "when we first met, I was asking"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "questions and listening to your story"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "more than telling you my story or making"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "my demands. Right? So, step one is"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "listen. Step two is mirror. 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This test was"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "developed to help you weaponize your"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "naturalb born gifts and use them to get"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "ahead of 99% of people in power, wealth,"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "and purpose. It was also designed to"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "make sure that you can protect yourself"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "against those who would use their skills"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "against you. I want you to discover your"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "secret spy superpower and use it for"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "good before somebody else uses [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "their power against you. If I were to"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "ask you a question about how much money"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "you have in the bank, that might be a"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "red light topic and you will show me in"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "your body language and you will show me"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "in your verbal language whether or not"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "that's something you're willing to talk"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "about or not willing to talk about. Some"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "people are a hard stop and they'll just"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "say they're not going to talk about"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "money. But other people will talk about"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "money, but they'll talk about it on a"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "periphery. They may not give a number,"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "but they'll talk about generalities."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "Other people will jump right into"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "specifics. And you need to know where"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "that person's sensitivities are, red,"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "yellow, green, so that you can pick the"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "next round of questions to further probe"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "and further observe and further assess."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:37", "text": ">> Guys, we've been so passionate about"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "finding the biggest geniuses. And this"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "is just one of the many episodes. If you"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "want to make sure you don't miss the"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "next one, make sure to subscribe. All"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "right, let's get back to the episode."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "Okay, let's pivot. You were applying for"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "the Peace Corpse when a pop-up appeared"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "on a government website and a FedEx"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "envelope arrived with a plane ticket, a"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "rental car, and a hotel reservation."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "What made you actually get on the plane?"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> There's a phrase that we have for people"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "who end up in the at the farm at CIA's"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "training boot camp, right? And we call"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "ourselves too dumb to quit. We make very"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "high-risk decisions without thinking"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "them through just because we are"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "hyperfocused on what comes next instead"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "of what are the risks, what are the"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "implications. So where I've discovered"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "as I've gotten older that most people I"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "meet would never get on a plane, go to a"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "hotel, and show up to a car rental"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "center for a paper reservation that they"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "got 24 hours earlier via FedEx. Most"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "people would say no to that. They'd see"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "all the problems, all the risks. But at"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "27 years old in the military, that's not"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "how I saw it at all. I saw it as like"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "this adventure, this opportunity, this"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "opport this chance to go into the"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "unknown. This to boldly go into the"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "unknown and kind of see what comes next."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "Like it's so different from my normal"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "life. My normal life is uniforms and"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "alarm clocks and doing the same thing"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "day after day and answering to a colonel"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "and, you know, dressing the same way and"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "keeping my hair within regs. The idea"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "that somebody would think I'm special"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "enough to send me a a paper airplane"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "ticket overnight via FedEx, I'm all in."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "That's that's exactly what made me a"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "good fit for CIA and what makes other"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "people not a great fit."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> And did the CIA know that about you? The"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "whole process is part of CIA's training"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "and vetting process to determine whether"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "or not a a new candidate could make it"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "to full-blown officer or not. Because"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "once you're actually part of CIA, you"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "never have the whole story. And you have"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "to accept that you're not being given"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "the whole story. You have to accept that"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "your superiors are lying to you from the"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "moment they tell you about an operation."}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "And you still have to accept it. And you"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "still have to go out there and you still"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "have to be the person on the ex not even"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "knowing how dangerous the situation"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "really is because that's part of the job"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "and that has to make you excited and"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "that has to make you curious and you"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "have to be up for that challenge to"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "really thrive at a place like CIA"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "because it's it's a whole community of"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "secret keepers and the older they are,"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "the longer they've been keeping secrets"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "and the more skilled they are at"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "manipulating you. and your only hope is"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "to stay there, live, last long enough"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "that you can become as skilled as the"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "people above you."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": ">> So you get off the plane, you walk into"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "a waiting room and you see 10 other"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "people there who also had maybe no idea"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "exactly why they were there. What did"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "you think you were being selected for?"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "When I got my phone call, my my"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "invitation, my packet from FedEx,"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "everything was for a an unnamed position"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "in national security. So, I knew that I"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "was going into a national security type"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "of interview. My mind was kind of"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "running wild with, oh, it could be DEA"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "or it could be FBI or it could be CIA,"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "it could be NSA. And then I start kind"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "of weighing the realities of what I'm"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "good at and not good at, right? I'm not"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "good at anything related to computers,"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "so NSA is probably not realistic. I had"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "a strong military record, but I hated"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "being in the military, so it's probably"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "not the DIA. And could it be CIA? Could"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "it be FBI? Uh, who knows? So, when I"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "walk into the waiting room and I see"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "nine other people, 10 other people in"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "there, and they're all exactly what you"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "would expect people to look like,"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "waiting for a government interview,"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "right? They're all in suits or pencil"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "skirts. They're mostly Caucasian."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "They're all within the same five or"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "seven years of age. They're all between"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "25 and 32."}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "They all look educated. They all look"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "cleancut. They all look, you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "there's no dreadlocks. There's no uh"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "rainbow colored hair. So, I'm kind of,"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "you know, confirmed that I am here. They"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "are also here. And we are all waiting"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "for something to do with national"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "security because these folks look just"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "like your central casting for government"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "employee. And when the CIA told you"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "what they actually saw in you, what"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "landed the hardest? Did you end up"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "building your identity then around"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "anything that they said?"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": ">> The thing that landed the hardest was"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "all the dirty stuff that they just"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "understood right away, right? The"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "misaligned loyalty. I was always"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "somebody looking to be loyal to someone"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "and I never really knew who I could be"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "loyal to. So because of that, my loyalty"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "would jump from person to person. I'd be"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "extremely loyal to my mom. And then"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "eventually after enough instances of my"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "mom violating my trust, then I would"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "pull my loyalty away from her. But I"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "couldn't just I couldn't just trust"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "myself. I had to now align myself with"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "someone else. So maybe it was a teacher,"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "maybe it was a girlfriend, maybe it was"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "a best friend. And I would always be"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "looking for someone to be loyal to"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "because what I was always looking for"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "was someone to validate my effort, my"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "intelligence, my my thoughts, my ideas,"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "right? CIA figured that out very, very"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "quickly. And one of the things that they"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "told me in that first round of"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "interviewers, they were like, \"We think"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "that you would be a good fit for CIA's"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "National Clandestine Service.\" and they"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "told me that they thought I'd be a good"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "fit because it's a mission that I can be"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "loyal to forever and I wouldn't have to"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "continue to try to find someone worthy"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "of my effort, worthy of my intelligence,"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "worthy worthy of my time. It would"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "always be in service of the American"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "people and American primacy and the"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "defense of the nation. And for me,"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "again, 27 years old at the time,"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "it was like a silver bullet. I was like,"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "\"Oh [ __ ] you already know that I bounce"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "around in loyalty.\" And now you're"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "telling me that there's actually a cause"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "I can get behind forever. That's a"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "really compelling offer."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": ">> And how do they know that about you?"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": ">> So part of CIA's recruitment process is"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "how they recruit you. So things like"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "phone calls and FedEx letters and"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "whether or not you show up, whether or"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "not you show up on time, how you dress,"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "right? They they watch you from"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "beginning to end. But then the other"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "thing that they have going on is they"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "have access to your entire background."}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "So for me, coming from the military,"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "coming from a military academy, I was a"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "more open book than the average person."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "So all of my childhood records that had"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "to do with mental health, all of my"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "military records that had to do with"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "physical health, disciplinary"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "infractions, you know, education, how I"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "transformed from year to year, they had"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "all of that. And when in 2007 when I was"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "at CIA, we were already using AI to help"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "consolidate large databases of"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "information to create summaries and"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "meaningful conclusions. Right? So that"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "inside the recruitment process just"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "further expedited their capability."}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": ">> You were using AI in 2007 like a form of"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "chat GPT or or"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": ">> Claude. I mean, yeah, I would it's a"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "very rudimentary form if you could"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "imagine, you know, now you can speak in"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "plain text. You couldn't speak in plain"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "text back then. You had to be trained"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "how to use certain systems. There were"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "lots of fields that you had to kind of"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "fill in. None of the AI companies that"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "come to mind now were the companies that"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "we were using then. So, whatever that"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "first generation was, either evolved,"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "failed, was consumed by someone else,"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "etc. But it it's no surprise to me to"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "see AI's capability now because even"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "back then it was being introduced."}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": ">> You could profile someone and prompt"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "this AI in 2007 to say, \"Hey, tell me"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "about XYZ person. Give me a brief on"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "this person and it would do its"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "researcher homework through AI and and"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "give you a brief.\""}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": ">> Correct. It just wouldn't have the same"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "access that AI has now. Right now, AI"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "has access to the entire web. Right."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "When you're on a airgapped system, it"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "only has access to what's within that"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "air gap. But that was a very powerful"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "tool that we were able to use back then"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "to scrub lots of clandestine files"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "simultaneously."}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": ">> What's a big misconception people think"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "about you and what you do?"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": ">> One major misconception I think is even"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "in the title of this show, right? Like"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "decoded genius implies that the people"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "on this show are of higher intellectual"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "capability, right? Geniuses. And many"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "people think that CIA officers are very"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "smart, very intelligent, above average"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "In my experience with myself and with"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "many people at CIA, that's not really"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "the case. We are pretty firmly average."}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "If there are above average people, there"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "are also plenty of below average people"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "because the job requires different skill"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "sets. And frankly speaking, there are"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "certain skills that above average"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "intelligence people just will never"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "learn because it they understand the"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "inherent danger. They understand the"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "inherent kind of villain of what they're"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "doing. So, one of the major"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "misconceptions is that CIA officers are"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "brilliant. Some of them really are, but"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "most of them are not. Most of them are"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "very typical, average people who are"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "just working hard, trying to do a good"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "job for a mission that they believe in."}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "And they get good at their job because"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "they're there for so long. They get good"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "at the skill, but they also get good at"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "the politics of being part of an"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "organization that answers directly to"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "the White House. So, there's a there's"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "kind of two different skill sets that"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "you have to learn to survive and succeed"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "at CIA. And neither of them has to do"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "with being born smart. What's shocking"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "is how many smart people go to CIA only"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "to then be very disappointed in the"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "first two or three years and then leave"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "and go work for something that actually"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "does challenge their intelligence like"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "SpaceX or Palunteer or you know the list"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "goes on and on of all these major"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "companies Google and Facebook that that"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "absorb CIA officers who leave CIA and"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "move on to the commercial sector."}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:41", "text": ">> So you don't need to be brilliant to be"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "in the CIA."}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:44", "text": ">> You don't you don't you need to be a"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "number of other things but brilliant is"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "not one of them."}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:51", "text": ">> Interesting. And before the CIA trained"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "you, you thought you were a good"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "conversationalist."}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "How would you train someone to be a"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "terrible conversationalist?"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": ">> Terrible conversationalists come"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "naturally and you see a lot of them. Um,"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "people who don't listen. And when I say"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "listen, what I'm talking about is what's"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "commonly called active listening. But"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "active listening is sometimes hard for"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "people to understand. So, if we just"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "talk about observable behaviors, when"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "you're part of a conversation and you"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "don't keep eye contact, when you're part"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "of a conversation and you interrupt,"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "when you're part of a conversation and"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "you do other things during the"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "conversation, you check your watch, you"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "turn through pages, you check your"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "phone, you you get up and go into the"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "kitchen and start making a sandwich."}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "Like, these are all observable behaviors"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "that demonstrate to the other person"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "that you're not really engaged. You're"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "not actively listening to the"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "conversation. And because you are"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "overwhelming your cognitive capability"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "to listen and compute, you are actually"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "bad at the conversation. You can't make"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "a sandwich and listen to what a person"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "has to say simultaneously. You your"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "brain literally cannot do it. You might"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "pick up most of the conversation but not"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "all of the conversation. And the person"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "communicating to you actually literally"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "knows every single bit of information"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "that they shared with you. So when you"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "come back after making a sandwich and"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "sit down and you try to act cool and"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "suave like you've been listening the"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "whole time, they know you haven't. And"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "what's difficult is a very skilled"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "conversationalist in conversation with"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "an unskilled conversationalist will"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "immediately discredit you, discount you"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "right then and there. And now they're"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "just waiting for their chance to exit"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "the conversation. This is how most"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "marriage arguments happen and play out"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "because one person's trying to express"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "themselves and the other person's only"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "partially listening. And before the"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "conversation is ever over, the person"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "who's trying to express themselves has"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "already given up because they see that"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "you're distracted. You're being"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "interrupted by the kids. You're checking"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "your phone. You're checking your watch."}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "You're getting up to pour yourself a,"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "you know, a glass of lemonade or whiskey"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "or scotch, whatever it is, and the the"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "person seeking that validation is"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "already quitting. This reminds me a"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "little bit about I had Orion Taban on. I"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "don't know if you know him. He's uh he"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "runs the YouTube channel Psychax. Um,"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "and he told me that when a guy is"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "speaking to another guy and you say"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "something, if I repeat that back to you,"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "you felt heard. But he said that when"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "it's a male and female speaking and the"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "female says something, it's not enough"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "for the guy to just repeat it back. She"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "wants you to feel how she feels. So, is"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "it different when you're going having a"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "conversation or trying to build trust or"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "or a relationship when it's a male"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "versus a female? The gender argument is"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "a age-old argument and there are certain"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "instances where I have seen why gender"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "stereotypes exist. But all of that to"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "say, my fundamental training at CIA"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "taught us to be blind to gender because"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "gender, uh, sex, sexual orientation,"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "self-identification, whatever you want"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "to call it, it all is individualized"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "and it's tied to an individual's"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "cognitive perspective on themselves. So"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "whether you're a male or a female, if"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "you're an emotional creature, you want"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "to have your emotions confirmed. If"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "you're a logical creature, you want to"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "have your logic confirmed. So when this"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "person told you that a guy talking to a"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "guy wants to hear you say the same thing"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "back, it's because he's assuming that"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "most men are logically oriented. There"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "are plenty of men who are emotionally"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "oriented. And if you try to logically"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "adjust for an emotional man, you're"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "going to fail. So you need to understand"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "what they're actually wired for. You"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "need to assess, determine, probe, and"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "then reflect, mirror back. a perfect"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "example of mirroring as he was talking"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "about reflects back what they value"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "whether they value the emotion or"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "whether they value the logic"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": ">> and you've said micro expressions and"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "eye movements are a myth for reading"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "people what should you actually be"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "watching"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": ">> there's a nuance here that I think is"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "important to understand right so micro"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "expressions that haven't been baselined"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "and micro expressions that are done in"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "an uncontrolled setting those are not"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "reliable they exist They're not"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "fabrications. They're not a complete"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "myth, but they're not something that"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "become operationally useful because you"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "don't know if that person's squinting"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "because they're thinking or squinting"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "because of the sun. You don't know if"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "that person's touching their eyes"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "because their eyes itch from hay fever"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "or whether they're touching their eyes"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "because they feel vulnerable in the"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "conversation. So, you have to have an"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "awareness of the environment, what we"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "call the atmospherics whenever you make"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "those decisions or make those"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "assessments. So while the microp"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "expressions and eye movements are not a"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "full fabrication, you have to be aware"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "of when and how to use them. So what"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "you're really looking for in a"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "controlled situation is you're looking"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "for derivations away from a baseline. So"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "if they blink a lot as their as their"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "natural baseline, then you want to"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "notice when they blink less. So just the"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "idea of blink rate as a microp"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "expression is a misnomer. Somebody might"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "have a naturally high blink rate. May"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "they might have naturally dry eyes. They"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "might have contact lenses. You never"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "know. So you're always looking for the"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "derivation from the baseline. That when"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "you look for that derivation, that's"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "when microp expressions become useful."}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "If you're in a controlled setting, as"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "soon as you're in an uncontrolled"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "setting, outdoors with a stranger who"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "you've never met before, now all of a"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "sudden you can't you can't rely on those"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "micro expressions and eye movements"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "because you never know whether or not"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "that's just their baseline. That's just"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "their temporary uh their temporary"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "presence, their temporary behaviors, or"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "whether there's some element of your"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "presence that's affecting their"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "expressions and their behavior. Uh and"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "that could be anything as simple as you"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "appearing when they didn't expect you to"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "appear. They're attracted to you. That"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "changes their behaviors. They're not"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "attract. They don't feel good. They have"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "something. They had a bad lunch. You"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "never know. So, it's very difficult for"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "professionals to assess and use those"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "tools unless they have a baseline and a"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "controlled environment."}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:53", "text": ">> And how long does it take you to build a"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "baseline for someone you've just met?"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": ">> So, the baseline that we built for you"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "didn't take very long, [laughter] but"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "it's also not a firm baseline, right?"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "It's a relatively nent assessment. So,"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "it takes time. We generally say that it"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "takes between three and six hours of"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "contact time before you have a confident"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "baseline of a person. Now, that might"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "sound like a lot, but three or six hours"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "of contact time with a person could be"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "completed in just two or three meetings."}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "It doesn't mean you have to engage them"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "for 6 hours. I could sit at your house"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "and watch you engage your wife and your"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "kids for an hour and that would count as"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "an hour of baseline engagement, right? I"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "could watch you at a business meeting"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "and have an hour of time on target. I"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "could watch you in a social setting"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "where we go out to with the boys to a"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "bar for 2 or 3 hours and boom, right?"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "There's 3 hours of assessment time."}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:43", "text": ">> There's a Maym Bialic clip where in 4"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "minutes without revealing a single thing"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "about yourself, you learned she was"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "divorced. Her son her son calls their"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "bond in invisible string. She uses vegan"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "protein. She said it felt like a man"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "trying to get into her bed. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "What happens when you come across"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "someone who knows what you're doing? Are"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "there upgraded tactics that you would"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "implement? We call this uh spotting the"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "spook. And when other trained operators,"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "and that's what what we're really"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "looking for is people who are trained."}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "There are some people who are naturally"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "gifted in these social situations, some"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "people who have learned how to behave"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "this way through years of experience"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "because of abuse or trauma or or"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "survival mechanisms, right? But when"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "you're coming across someone who's"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "actually trained, you can spot their"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "training through the systematic"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "application of the skills. So when it's"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "spook versus spook, when you spot"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "another spook, it's always fun because"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "you both realize that you're seeing each"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "other's systematic process. And there"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "are certain tactics that you can use to"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "try to divert, derail, probe, deflect"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "what somebody is asking for or trying to"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "do. For example, one of the key tools in"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "elicitation is a tool called silence."}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "And if you're just silent and you wait"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "for someone to fill the silence, that's"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "an elicitation tool. When two spooks are"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "sitting across from each other, they're"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "just quiet. And they're completely"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "comfortable being quiet and they won't"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "break the silence until somebody"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "acknowledges, I guess one of us is going"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "to have to talk, right? And it's a it's"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "so different than when you come across"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "somebody who's not trained to handle the"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "silence. Because when somebody's not"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "trained to handle the silence, you start"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "to see their whole physical body break"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "down. They start to get antsy. They"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "start to move. They start to demonstrate"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "their discomfort. And then they jump"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "into a topic of conversation. And that's"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "elicitation. That's the power of"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "elicitation. And that's just one of many"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "different tools. So a lot of times when"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "it comes to spotting the spook, it's"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "less about applying the tools"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "surreptitiously and more about"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "acknowledging that they're trained,"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "respecting that they're trained, and"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "then having a parallel conversation,"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "another form of elicitation, but a"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "parallel conversation that gives you"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "similar information to what you would"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "get from the primary conversation line,"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "but you're running parallel to it."}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "Almost like uh if you've ever avoided"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "traffic by going on a side road that"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "follows the highway, that's the same"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "kind of form of parallel conversation"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "that we run"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": ">> outside of been when you were in the"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "CIA. Have you has it been spook to spook"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "where you've met someone you're like"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "you're oh uh oh I know I know this."}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:24", "text": ">> Yeah, it's I mean it's happened more"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "than a handful of times. When you're"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "part of CIA, you meet a lot of your"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "fellow peers. Not just people at CIA,"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "but people from other intelligence"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "agencies that are both allies and"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "enemies. And it's because you're hunting"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "the same thing. There's only one or two"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "really skilled North Korean nuclear"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "scientists."}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "So, every [ __ ] Western spy in the"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "world is trying to find a way to meet"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "that person. So when that person is"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "going to show up in Singapore at some"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "kind of convention,"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "they're going to be surrounded by other"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "Israeli spies and British spies and"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "French spies and German spies, and"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "you're all sitting there eating from the"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "same shrimp dish. [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "You are surrounded by liars. People lie"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "to you in person. They lie to you over"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "the internet. The headlines you see, the"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "news you watch, the messages you hear"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "are all telling you a little bit of"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "truth buried in mountains of"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "disinformation, mountains of lies. So"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "today, I want to give you one CIA tactic"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "that allows you to catch a liar every"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "time in a lie in less than 15 seconds."}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "Why less than 15 seconds? Because 15"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "seconds is the time it takes for you to"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "ask one question and for them to give"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "you one answer. That's all you need to"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "catch a liar. And here's how it works."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "I already know that most of you are just"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "interested in the skill itself and not"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "any of the psychology behind why it"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "works. So I'm going to give you the"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "skill first. And for those of you who"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "want to understand the psychology and"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "want to better understand why it works,"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "I'll explain all of that at the end of"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "the video. So, let's get into the simple"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "instructions and the one skill that you"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "need to catch a liar every time in less"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "than 15 seconds. The skill itself is"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "rooted in a very specific type of"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "question that CIA taught me called a"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "feelings-based question. A"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "feelings-based question is exactly what"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "it sounds like. It's a question about"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "feelings, not a question about facts."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "Facts are very easy to falsify. The"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "reason that facts are so easy to falsify"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "while feelings are so hard to falsify is"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "because of the amount of effort that"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "goes into changing them. Changing facts"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "is very simple. Changing feelings is"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "very difficult. And when you really want"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "to catch a liar in the act, you don't"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "want to catch the lie as much as you"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "want to catch the effort of making the"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "lie. That's what professionals truly"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "understand. It's not about whether"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "somebody looks up, looks down, scratches"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "their nose, or pulls on their ear. What"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "a professional is looking for when they"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "spot a liar is they're looking for the"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "effort that goes in to telling the lie."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "Because lies take effort where truth"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "does not. For example, if you're trying"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "to catch your teenager in a lie about"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "missing curfew, you don't want to ask"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "them the facts about curfew. You don't"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "want to ask them when they got home or"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "when they dropped off their friend. You"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "want to ask them about feelings. How did"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "it feel dropping your friend off early?"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "How did it feel coming home on time and"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "being responsible? As another example,"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "if you're trying to figure out whether"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "your boyfriend or girlfriend is cheating"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "on you, you don't want to ask them where"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "they were last night. You don't want to"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "ask them who they were with. Those are"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "facts that can be falsified. Instead,"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "you want to ask them feeling questions."}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "How did it feel being out with your"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "friend last night? How did it feel when"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "you saw that big concert? That's what"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "you want to ask because feeling based"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "questions are so much harder to falsify"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "than fact-based questions. If you're"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "trying to catch a liar in the workplace,"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "you don't want to ask what time they"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "logged in, what time they logged out, or"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "where they spent that money. You want to"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "ask feeling based questions instead. How"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "did it feel completing the project on"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "time? How does it feel adhering to the"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "new work schedule? What does it feel"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "like being trusted with company funds?"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "In all three of these examples, in each"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "of these cases, you're asking"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "feelings-based questions about a reality"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "that never happened. Which means that"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "when you talk to the liar, they don't"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "get to simply remember how they felt."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "Instead, they are forced to come up with"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "a lie about their feelings on the spot."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "And that takes maximum effort, far more"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "difficult than coming up with a few"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "fact-based fibs that have already been"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "rehearsed and already been practiced"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "long before they ever saw your face. If"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "you stop asking questions based in fact,"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "and you start asking questions based in"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "feeling, you will be able to catch a"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "liar in the act when they are lying to"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "you. And because it only takes one"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "question and one response, both of which"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "only require a few seconds of time, you"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "will be able to spot a liar in 15"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "seconds or less every day, moving"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "forward for the rest of your life. And"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "if you're wondering why it works, I have"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "one question to ask you. How does it"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "feel to know this new skill? Do you see"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "how fast you're able to answer that"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "question? Do you see how easy it is to"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "identify and label the feelings that you"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "feel? Whether you're feeling slightly"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "confused, whether you're feeling"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "entertained, whether you're feeling"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "confident, whether you're feeling a"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "little bit stupid because it's so"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "simple, you know exactly how you're"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "feeling and you're able to communicate"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "it without any effort. But a liar has"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "the opposite reaction. When you try to"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "lie about your feelings, it takes a"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "great deal of effort. So, let me teach"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "you about the psychology behind why the"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "feeling based question catches a liar"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "with ease. The magic bullet behind the"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "feelings-based question lies in the fact"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "that feelings are very easy to remember"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "but very difficult to make up where"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "facts are actually the opposite. Facts"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "are very difficult to remember and very"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "easy to make up. So what often times"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "happens is when you're asking someone"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "fact-based questions, you think they"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "might be lying when they're in fact just"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "trying to remember the details. And"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "likewise, you believe that they're"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "telling the truth when in fact they're"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "lying about the details. In this"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "environment of distrust, it's very smart"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "for you to be skeptical, but it's even"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "smarter for you to be skilled. Which is"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "why I don't want you to focus on the"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "effort that goes into telling you facts."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "I want you to focus instead on the"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "effort that goes into explaining your"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "feelings. Because when you ask"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "feelings-based questions instead of"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "fact-based questions, it properly aligns"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "with what you're looking for in the"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "person giving you a response. If they"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "are showing signs of effort and trying"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "to explain their feelings, that's how"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "you know that you're not getting the"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "full truth. Meanwhile, if it takes very"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "little effort to tell you their"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "feelings, that's how you know that they"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "are being truthful. When you ask"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "somebody feeling based questions, you"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "pull them out of their left logical"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "brain, the side of their brain that"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "helps them to plot, to plan, to"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "fabricate, and you pull them into their"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "right brain, their impulsive brain,"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "their emotional brain, a part of their"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "brain that they didn't plan to use to"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "tell this lie. And that is the magic"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "behind the feelingbased question. This"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "is why it is such a silver bullet"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "solution to catch a liar in the act. If"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "you like what you've been learning about"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "in this video, make sure you check out"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "my new book, Outsmart Everyone, hitting"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "bookshelves worldwide on September 8th,"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "2026. We are firmly in the race to"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "bestseller. 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So don't wait"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "another minute. Scan the QR code on your"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "screen right now. Visit outsmart"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "everyonespy.com or just follow the"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "instructions in the description below"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "and get started on your own journey to"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "outsmart everyone. Feelings-based"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "questions work on a psychological level"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "because they create a situation where"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "the liar has to put an incredible amount"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "of effort into trying to create a"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "feeling that they never actually"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "experienced because it's from a reality"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "that never actually happened. It's"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "completely different than when you ask a"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "series of fact-based questions that they"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "have already fabricated, they have"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "already fibbed about, and they have"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "already rehearsed in their mind. That's"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "why when you ask the teenager what time"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "they came home last night, they can lie"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "to you without batting an eye. That's"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "why when you ask the person cheating on"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "you who they hung out with last night,"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "they will tell you it's their friend and"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "they won't blink twice. That's why when"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "you ask the embezzling employee what"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "they spent their money on, they always"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "have a spreadsheet, an excuse, and a"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "receipt at the ready. Because in each of"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "these cases, they had the chance to"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "prepare the battlefield. They could"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "predict the question you were going to"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "ask. They've rehearsed the answer a"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "dozen times. And when they look at you,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "they can deliver their false data"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "without showing any signs of effort. But"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "you can flip the script on them by"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "asking them about their feelings instead"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "of asking them about the facts. And when"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "you ask them about their feelings, you"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "will watch how they break down. You will"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "watch how that teenager can't quite"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "remember how they felt when they were"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "driving home. And you'll see how that"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "cheater can't quite remember how they"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "felt when they were out. And you can"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "watch as that employee can't quite"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "remember how it felt when they did the"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "right thing because it's a reality that"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "never happened. So there are no feelings"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "for them to recall when you ask them how"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "they felt. 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Three sides"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "of the pyramid."}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "The difference between those three"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "elements, those foundations to all of"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "our lives, we all have an a health"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "element, we all have a wealth element,"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "we all have a relationships element. The"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "difference between those three is how"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "fast you can make a change. It's very"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "hard to make a change to your wealth in"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "a short period of time."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> It's also very hard to make a change to"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "your relationships in a short period of"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "time. But I can literally change your"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "health in less than 24 hours. If I can"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "convince you to do a couple of things"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "before you go to sleep tonight, when you"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "wake up feeling better tomorrow, your"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "life is changed. And you believe it"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "right away."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Right? Once you get them to believe in"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "one pillar, then you're like, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "you're going to get healthy. You already"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "know you're going to get healthy cuz"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "we're working on this.\" The next thing"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "you need to change is your"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "relationships."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "Because relationships supercharge your"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "ability to create wealth."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Right. Or they hold them back."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> And relationships, just like you were"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "saying, relationships can be rewritten"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "quickly. They can't be rewritten in 24"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "hours, but they can be rewritten in 72"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "hours. If you and I change just a few"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "things that we do with our spouses, our"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "spouses will believe a change has"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "occurred."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:20", "text": ">> If we change just a few things with our"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "kids, a few things with our employees, a"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "few things on our podcast, the viewer"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "will literally think a change has"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "occurred. They will believe the change"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "even if it's an accidental change. So"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "you can trans- transform in a matter of"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "days. You can transform health in a"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "matter of hours. So all we're doing is"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "creating a system of empirical evidence"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "that leads people to the point where"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "when we say, \"Okay, now your your health"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "is improving, your relationships are"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "top-notch,"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "let's secure this legacy"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": ">> Genius."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": ">> and change your wealth.\""}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": ">> It's genius because it's exactly what"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "people actually need. It's not ma-"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "manipulation."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:55", "text": ">> Correct."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> It's mo- it's it's motivation. And so"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "you go through in that 6-week challenge,"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "do you focus only on health or do you go"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "health, relationships, and then at the"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "end you talk about wealth?"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> So we're always This is what we"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "mentioned earlier that there's a process"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "called priming. So we always have to"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "prime, and I'm sure you do it, too. You"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "always have to prime people for what's"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "coming next. You can't"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "make You can't get people to turn a"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "sharp right after 6 weeks. Instead, what"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "you have to do is tell them every week,"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "\"A right turn is coming. A right turn is"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "coming. A right turn is coming.\" And"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "then when you tell them about the right"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "turn, they've already accepted that it's"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "coming."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:27", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": ">> Right? So for 6 weeks we focused We"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "focused 80% on health. And then we make"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "sure that people understand, \"Hey, how"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "are your relationships benefiting from"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "the change in health? How's your"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "relationship with your wife? Are you Are"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "you spending more time with friends?"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "How's work feeling? How are your"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "coworkers? How's conflict? Is conflict"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "still stressing you out or do you find"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "that conflict doesn't stress you out"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "like it used to because you have more"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "physical resources because of your"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "fitness?\" Right? So we're priming and"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "priming and priming until it comes to"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "the end of that 6 weeks and we're like,"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "\"Hey, you feel good. You're sleeping"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "great. You're leaner than stronger than"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "you've ever been. You're ready to take"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "the next step and put that to work in"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "building a better relationship, getting"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "back to uh being in love with your"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "partner, getting back to feeling sexy"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "when you're at home, getting back to"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "feeling confident when you're out on the"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "single trail, getting back to the place"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "where you're the person at work that"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "everybody notices when you walk in the"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "door.\" Right? Helping people to tie in"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "the relationship benefits of a new"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "physical life."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": ">> Well, I love that. Okay, so you guys do"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "that. Well, how do people get there"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "again?"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": ">> People get there by If you go to If you"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "look up everdayspy.com and you type in"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "SpyFit, s p y f i t, you'll find your"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "way right into our SpyFit program. If"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "you go to everdayspy.com and you sign up"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "anywhere on everdayspy, you're also"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "going to be invited to the next SpyFit"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "challenge. So the fastest way to get"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "there is really just go to our website,"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "take the quiz. We're just talking about"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "the free lead gen. Take the quiz, find"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "out what your temperament is, find out"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "what kind of spy you would be, and then"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "boom, you're going to get the invitation"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "to the next SpyFit challenge."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> You Do you have a new book coming out or"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "have you recently released one?"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> So, um my wife and I's romance novel our"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "CIA"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": ">> Hell yeah, bro. Undercover babies is the"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "name [laughter] is the name of it."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> Our CIA memoir is called Shadow Cell. It"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "hits the shelves September 9th"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "worldwide. It's being published by"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "Little, Brown which is an imprint of"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "Hachette. So, we have a big five"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "publisher backing our story and it's"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "already review it's already getting just"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "incredible reviews from literary critics"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "but also from everyday people. It's been"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "spectacular."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> that book, what do I get out of it?"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": ">> When you read Shadow Cell, you're going"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "to understand first the most modern"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "current CIA espionage story ever told."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "It's it's less than a decade old whereas"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "most everything else you read is about"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "Cold War spying or spying during the war"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "on terror, right? So, we wanted the most"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "contemporary honest transparent memoir"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "ever written that tells the story of"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "what CIA operations look like right now"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "against America's largest adversary. We"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "can't disclose who that adversary is so"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "I'm going to let your imagination do the"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "work for you but CIA three years ago"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "when they read this manuscript, CIA"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "deemed our book a classified document"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "from end to end and it could not be"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "released. It took three years of legal"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "fighting and ultimately resulted in the"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "threat of a first amendment lawsuit"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "before CIA let us release this book."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "That's great."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": ">> Yeah, so you're going to find out about"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "how tradecraft works, you're going to"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "find out about how our adversary works,"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "you're going to find out about how CIA"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "actually builds and runs operations. And"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "through it all, it's it's teaching cuz"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "like I told you our mission is spy"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "education that breaks barriers. We don't"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "do anything without education. So, even"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "though it's a memoir, it's kind of like"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "a sugar-coated pill that also teaches"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "you about how spies approach problems,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "solve problems, think through"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "priorities, and uh and execute"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "tradecraft."}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:34", "text": ">> What's the country we should be the most"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "afraid of?"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> China."}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": ">> And followed by who?"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": ">> There's not even a close second."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "There's not even a close second. China"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "is our number one geopolitical,"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "military, and economic threat."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "If we can neutralize China, we are"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> How would we do that if you are, let's"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "say a CIA operation, how would you do"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": ">> The first thing is to cut China off from"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "its source of wealth. And its primary"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "source of wealth right now is actually"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "re-engineering Western technology and"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "selling it as Chinese"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": ">> way of saying copying our"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": ">> Yeah, copying our And not just our"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:13", "text": " French British German Polish"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "They just steal everything that works"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "and then recreate it on their own"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> And at half the cost."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> Offer it at half the at half the cost."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "And what that does is it creates an"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "opportunity for the rest of the world to"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "pick someone else to send their money."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> If you haven't discovered your secret"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "spy superpower, then somebody else might"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "be using theirs against you. 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Even Europe is"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "choosing Chinese electric vehicles over"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "other electric vehicles when Chinese EV"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "technology was just stolen from other"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "countries, right?"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": ">> And you can't really deal with patent"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "law because you're country to country,"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "right? So there's no way to really"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "govern that, I would say. And they're"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "such a massive um"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "com- They're I mean, it's a country, but"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "it's really a a"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "a a company."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "They're a massive operation."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "And they're so freaking big that they"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "can get so much done so fast. You almost"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "have no ability to keep up with them."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": ">> And that's why Donald Trump's tariffs"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "against China made a ton of sense. And"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "they still are making sense. Because"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "that's what they're designed to do is"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "cut China off from its wealth. If China"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "can't steal"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Uh you've got to think of wealth um as"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "limited, right? There's only a limited"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "amount of money in the world. Even with"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "countries printing money, there's still"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "just a limited amount of true capital."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "So, when one country becomes wealthier,"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "that only happens if somebody else is"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "losing it, right?"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> So, as China gets wealthier, what it's"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "doing is it's taking that wealth from"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "the West and predominantly from the"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "United States. So, that's their"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "strategic ambition is to not ever be in"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "open conflict with anybody until the"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "economic tiles flip. Because one of the"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "reasons the United States is so powerful"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "is economically we're powerful and we"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "turn that economic engine into a"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "military"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "power source."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> We spend the most, we have the best"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "technology, we have the newest training"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "uh the newest uh"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "weapons and the best trained troops"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "because we can spend that money. As soon"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "as we lose money, we have to start"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "saving. We can't spend on those things."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:55", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": ">> We have to put money into something"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "else. On the flip side, when China has"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "excess capital, then they're going to"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "have the most modern weapons. They're"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "going to have the best trained troops."}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "They're going to have"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": ">> And we lose our edge."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": ">> And we lose our edge. And and China has"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "watched how we built our edge from the"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "end of World War II."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "And then when we focused exclusively on"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "the global war on terror,"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "where was China?"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": ">> Not building."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": ">> Exactly. They were not fighting that"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "war. So, we put trillions of dollars"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "into a war on terror that we ultimately"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "lost. And then China took all that time"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "to steal our technology while our back"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "was turned, build a whole new"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "technological base, and then start"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "selling it to the world. The the"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "argument that people have is that"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "China's not such a threat because it has"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "all these domestic issues. Oh, it's it's"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "overpopulated and it's got social"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "welfare issues and blah blah blah. No,"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "it doesn't. It's not the United States."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "It doesn't believe in social welfare."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "China has already demonstrated with its"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "cultural revolution that when it needs"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "to reduce or when it needs to enrich the"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "per capita rate, it just kills millions"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "of people."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "That's what it does. So, if you're"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "looking at China and you're like, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "the per capita rate right there is like"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "you $13,000 per person where in the US"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "we make, you know, $24,000 per person.\""}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "Once China lets a million people die, 10"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "million people die,"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "all of a sudden that per capita goes up"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "because it's a small group of people in"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "China making most of the income. The"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "rest are just hangers-on."}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": ">> Yeah, worker bees."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": ">> And they don't need them. And China"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "knows that when when your job is to"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "create widgets, you need worker bees."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "But when your job is to create"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "technology, you don't. So, all the"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "social welfare that used to be there to"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "protect manufacturing workers is going"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "away. And the the future Xi Jinping"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "wants for the country is a future where"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "they are high-tech, where they are"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "handling financial products, where they"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "are basically carbon copies of what the"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "United States has been for the last 50"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": ">> That's scary."}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:51", "text": ">> And brilliant."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "They're the only country doing it."}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "Somehow"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:53", "text": ">> If I were them, I would do the same"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> Correct."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": ">> Right. And I can only feel I mean,"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "they're essentially feeling"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "Hey, we're this massive organization,"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "but this these guys are the bully in the"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "in the playground. Yeah. I want to take"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "that bully down. What you're going to do"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "is you're not going to pick a fight with"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "them right now. You're going to play"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "nice and you're going to build up and"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "behind the scenes you're going to be"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "going to the gym and you're going to be"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "doing the thing and you're not going to"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "cause any conflict until you're stronger"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "and more capable than that. So, right"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "now you don't really see China causing"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "issues and poking the bear"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "because they are trying to get big"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "enough that they can essentially"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "overtake us and be have an edge over us,"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "which right now it's here."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": ">> Exactly. You can think of it like the"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "playground where you've got the bully"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "and then you've got the kid that doesn't"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "like the bully."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "Or you can think of it like business"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "where you have the leading competitor"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "and then you have all the second and"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "third level competitors. What do we do?"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "We take market share."}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:44", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:45", "text": ">> We take [clears throat] market share"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "knowing that as we steal that market"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "share we're we're"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": ">> thing you do is they they just steal"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "like for me I'm I'm the leading person"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "in the real estate world."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "At least from a community size. So what"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "people do all my competitors they don't"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "create."}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:58", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:59", "text": ">> They steal."}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "And they go okay that's working I'm"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "going to take this I'm going to take"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "market share take market share. They"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "even will like go to their four or five"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "buddies and go let's all try"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": ">> and take and steal from Pace's ideas. So"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "I have to come up with new ideas and be"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "three years ahead of them. So while"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "they're working on my ideas that I was"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "working on three years ago I already"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "know hey you guys are working on three"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "year ago ideas I'm already on to the"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "next idea. And so you look at like a"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "Trump's America where Trump is trying to"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "push forward and actually create things"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "and go and get you know foreign"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "investments into the into our country"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "and better alignment with foreign"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "affairs all of those types of things you"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "see he's doing a good job from that"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "perspective. Otherwise China's going to"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "be just stealing all the stuff that we"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "were doing 10 years ago."}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> Right and and unfortunately we are in a"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "political cycle right now where China"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "understands that a"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "a competitive combative president that's"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "going to aggressively move"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "is a temporary president."}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> And then shortly after that we're going"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "to get a placated passive president that"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "comes in and then they'll take their"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "action."}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": ">> Doesn't that suck dude?"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> big time and that's why I'm not"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "optimistic about the next 12 to 20 12 to"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "20 years for the United States."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": ">> Oh my gosh that's so scary to think"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "about. I thought about it too. It's like"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "you feel the forward momentum from the"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "business standpoint. I mean even the big"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "beautiful tax bill that helps me as an"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "investor."}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "You know tax depreciation and all the"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "beautiful things it gives me. I look at"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "that and go this is great. It's great"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "for people that are producing jobs. I've"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "got 300 plus employees. It's great for"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "me."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "what will happen is the other side of"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "our political bipolar world, they're"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "going to push so hard against the Trump"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "world, and they're going to create"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "whatever they got to create so they can"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "take that back over, and we're going to"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "go back to the placated little"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "person that's not really doing anything,"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "not creating anything, and that's when"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "China's going to have an another surge"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "of momentum."}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": ">> Yeah, the We have to We have to remember"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "that the United States became the"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "world's largest superpower, not by being"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "friends with anybody."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "It became the world's largest superpower"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "by telling everybody what to do and"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "stepping on toes every step of the way."}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "We rebuilt Germany. We rebuilt France."}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "We rebuilt the UK. We rebuilt Japan. We"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "took advantage of a war-torn world, and"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "we forced our debt on them, and we"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "forced our currency on them, and we"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "forced trade on them, and as a result of"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "that, the whole world grew stronger and"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "wealthier with the United States leading"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "the way. That wasn't us being nice."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "Right. That was us twisting and"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "manipulating. Where we could motivate,"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "we motivated, because motivating is"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "always cheaper than manipulating. But"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "where somebody couldn't be motivated"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "because they had a strongman dictator,"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "because they had some sort of tribalism,"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "or because they had whatever else, we"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "just went in and we took it away from"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "them, and we forced them to bend to our"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "will. Was that fair? Nope."}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "Was it nice? Nope. Was it diplomatic?"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "No. Even what we call diplomacy isn't"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "really fair. It's us putting pressure on"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "people to do what they are supposed to"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "do that benefits us. We're not a fair"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "country. We need to stop"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "kind of chasing our own tail. When we"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "get a politician in office that thinks"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "that we're actually fair,"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "like that's a bad thing. We have to"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "understand that our advantage comes from"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "our leverage. Our diplomatic leverage is"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "tied to our economic leverage. Our"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "military leverage is tied to our"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "economic leverage. If you're not If"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "you're not valuing what our true arsenal"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "is, then we're not going to the fight."}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": ">> Yeah, one of my favorite parts of your"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "philosophy is that I personally, when I"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "figure out the unfair advantage, I go"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "right towards that, right? And you're"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "trying to teach the average everyday"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "person how to find the unfair advantage"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "and realize like here is"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "life isn't fair, so go after that thing."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "I work hard on the one thing that I know"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "I have an unfair advantage on, and"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "people will say stuff to me go you're"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "this is unfair. You're playing a game"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "that's unfair. Go, okay, hell yeah, then"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "I'm playing the game the right freaking"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "way."}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "People that this system were not"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "built for get pissed off at it, but it"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "is the way it's supposed to be, sadly."}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": ">> There's a one of the reasons I was"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "excited to sit with you is because"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "I I truly believe that what you are"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "teaching"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "is the right unfair advantage,"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "especially for the future of where our"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "country is going."}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "Specifically real estate, even more"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "specifically commercial real estate."}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "That is an asset that only benefits from"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "inflation. That's an asset that only"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "benefits from uncertainty, and if you're"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "wise in how you go about"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "securing the asset, growing the asset,"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "and ultimately selling the asset, your"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "money is safer there than it is anywhere"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "else."}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:37", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": ">> And it's true, and it's real, and I"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "understand that there's a lot of reasons"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "why people don't want to go down that"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "road. It could be too expensive, it"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "could be too complicated, it could be"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "whatever."}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:45", "text": ">> blah blah blah."}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": ">> and I see you doing everything you can"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "to break those walls down, and for me, I"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "feel better because the people who are"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "following what you're teaching will find"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "themselves in a better financial place"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "10 years from now than they do now. And"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "as a country, we're going to be"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "benefiting from the fact that those"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "wealthier people are paying more taxes,"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "making more jobs, making sure that our"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "commercial real estate is even viable."}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": ">> If all we did right now was turn our"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "money into cash and hope to get a raise,"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "we're dead in the water."}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:16", "text": ">> Yeah, we're dead."}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "Um okay, a couple more questions."}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "Somebody comes to you a little bit"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "higher level, right? They're doing 10"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "million, 20 million dollars a year. You"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "have multiple clients, I'm sure you do"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "some one-on-ones with."}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "What are common things that you see in"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "those people's lives that are holding"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "them from going from 20 million to 100"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "million?"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": ">> You know, it's funny. The The biggest"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "thing that I see is that they are"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "They are tied up with"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "personal or individual issues that don't"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "align priority-wise with what they're"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "trying to achieve."}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "They're struggling with something that's"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "personally holding them back. Feeling"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "bad about time with their kids,"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "recovering from a divorce,"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "struggling with a second spouse,"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "dealing with the fact that their kids"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "don't like them. There There's something"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "that's keeping them from"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:04", "text": ">> alignment."}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": ">> Alignment with their own outcomes, with"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "the very thing that they built for the"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "last 10 years. They spent and they're"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "they're making 20 million dollars"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "getting something, and now they're"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "struggling with what to do next. And"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "oftentimes, the reason that they're"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "struggling is because they've never"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "prioritized what actually matters to"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "them, which is why they somehow both"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "want money and want time with their"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "kids."}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "Right? That's not unfamiliar."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "That's not strange. That's not even"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "rare. It's just you have to actually go"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "through the process of understanding who"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "you are to understand what you"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "prioritize and why you prioritize it."}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "Cuz what I find is that, especially for"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "people who are decamillionaires,"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "when they start to say that they feel"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "guilty about something,"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "they're generalizing the thing they feel"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "guilty about. I don't spend enough time"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "at home."}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:49", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": ">> When in reality, the thing that's"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "bothering them is that they don't have"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "regular contact with their oldest"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "daughter."}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "Like it's There's a specific thing"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "that's bothering you that we"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "over-generalize because we're trying Our"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "survival instinct is keeping us from"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "talking about it to others and also"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "thinking keeping us from reflecting on"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "truly what is bothering us. And then"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "when you when you find out that that"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "person worth 25 million dollars a year"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "is also a bear by temperament, you're"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "like, \"Dude, you care about people. You"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "have an oldest daughter. Your oldest"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "daughter is the one that you care not"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "the most about, but she's the one that's"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "suffered the most because she was a baby"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "when you were starting this business.\""}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "now that your business is secure and"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "you've been building it for her anyways,"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "then they start to connect it. And then"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "they start to realize, \"Oh, that's true."}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "This is who I am. This is how I'm wired,"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "and that is my priority.\" And then they"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "get back to business. The other thing"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "that I find that really wealthy people"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "run into or or businesses of that size"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "is that they understand that psychology"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "makes the difference."}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "They understand it makes a difference in"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "the sales team. They understand it makes"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "a difference in the customer service"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "team. They understand it makes a"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "difference in the sales process. And"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "they understand that they don't really"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "understand psychology. That they've been"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "doing what other people do. They've been"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "doing what advisors tell them to do, and"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "it works, but they don't really know why"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "it works. And when you don't know the"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "why behind how something works, it's"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "very hard to scale it with your own"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "knowledge, with your own experience,"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "with your own twist. So,"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "being distracted by the personal thing"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "prevents them from being able to add"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "their own twist to the thing that's"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "going to take them from 10 million to 50"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "million. And that's what that's the gap"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "that we close the most often. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "think that that's me. Like, I personally"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "I have such a great balance in my"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "personal life. I think that's one of the"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "top questions people ask me is like,"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "\"How do you spend 6 to 7 hours a day"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "with your kids and your wife and they're"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "with you everywhere you travel and you"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "still run this big operation?\" Well,"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "that's systems and that's operations and"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "it's also attracting really high-quality"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "team members that believe in the vision"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "as well. I've gotten past that part as"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "an individual for the most part. I'm"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "sure there's always improvements, 100%."}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "I'm sure in fact, if you brought"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "somebody in, you came into my life,"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "you'd be like, \"Pace, like let's tweak"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "these things.\" But for me, understanding"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "the psychology of maybe my sales team,"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:02", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:04", "text": ">> understanding the psychology of my team"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "members, understanding the psychology of"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "my audience and my customers at a higher"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "level,"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "I would look at it like this."}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "Um I love golf. I don't get a chance to"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "play it as often as as I would maybe"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "like. Maybe next life. Next life I'll be"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "Tiger Woods."}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "But I've gotten better at golf because"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "of muscle memory, right? So I've hit"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "enough shots enough times to go, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "well, when I stand this way, it does"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "this outcome.\" Rather than somebody"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "hiring somebody I I believe in coaches"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "like nothing else. I love spending the"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "money to get the the shortcut, which is"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "why I'm like, \"How do I work with you?\""}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "If I hire a golf coach, they can take an"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "outside"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "view and they can say, \"Hey, this is"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "actually what's going on. You think"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "because your muscle memory's telling you"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "when you're on a webinar and you can get"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "the side chat to do this and you can do"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "this, that, and the other. You've done"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "it enough times that you've figured out"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "through muscle memory, do these actions,"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "you'll get a result.\" But you don't"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "understand why these actions actually"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "work with your audience and how it"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "actually benefits them, so you can"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "understand the deep-rooted reason why"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "you should dig deeper, get better at"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "that thing, how to polish it a little"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "bit. That's where I feel like I need the"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "most help. And you guys help people with"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": ">> Correct. It It's uh"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "I would tweak some of the way that"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "you're talking about it, right? Because"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "what I would say is it's not that you"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "want to understand the psychology of"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "your sales team. It's more that you have"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "a culture that you're trying to create."}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:30", "text": ">> Correct."}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": ">> But what you need to do is bring in"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "sales team members that will amplify"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "that culture."}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "Whereas maybe right now you're bringing"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "in sales team members for something else"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "because they have a good performance"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "record or they're referrers. They're"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "They've been referred by a friend. Or"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "you just know you need more sales"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "people, so you have a process for hiring"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "and firing."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:46", "text": ">> It's almost like you're in my sales"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "team."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:48", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": ">> Yeah. But you're trying to generate a"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "culture. Right. That's"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "That's the terminology that I would use,"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "right? And when it comes to your"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "audience, you understand what to do to"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "make, you know, a a 25% conversion rate"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "on a webinar."}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "But maybe you don't know why it works"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "the way it works. You also know that if"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "you were to make a few changes, you"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "could take that 25% to 35%. And now you"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "don't need more webinars, you need the"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "same number of webinars, and you're"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "going to get a higher conversion rate"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "and a higher quality client that comes"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "from it. And oh by the way, what's the"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "marketing engine that brings people to"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "the webinars? And how can I tweak that?"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "And how can I tweak the affiliate deals"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "that I have? And how can I tweak the"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "partners that I'm with? And how can I"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "tweak when I spend my hours at work? How"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "do I increase the number of dollars I"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "generate without increasing the number"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "of hours I generate so that I can make"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "more time on the golf course? Cuz I"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "don't think that the next life is the"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "time to play golf. Now is the time to"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "play golf."}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:45", "text": ">> I'm sure."}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:48", "text": ">> Yeah, I so obviously you you help people"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "through your webinars and your"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "challenges. People that are in my"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "audience have a lot of high-level real"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "estate investors that probably look at"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "you and go, I need your brain or at"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "least a part of your brain in my world."}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "You guys do one-on-ones? Do you guys do"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "things of that nature?"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": ">> We do one-on-one coaching. Um I I will"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "say that I I"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "I personally do one-on-one coaching"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "very, very rarely because what I'm"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "looking for is the person who's going to"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "make the most impact in the least amount"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "of time. So that's what I'm looking for."}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:18", "text": ">> There's nothing worse than teaching"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "people and they don't take freaking"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "action on it or they don't do enough"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "with it and you're just like, I wasted"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "my freaking time."}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:24", "text": ">> Yeah. My favorite way to teach, my"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "personal favorite way to teach is"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "actually from a stage during live events"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "because you can communicate You've got"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "an audience of people who are already"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "there to learn."}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "You can control the mass psychosis like"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "we talked about. You can have the"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "largest impact. And if you do it once a"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "quarter, if you do it once every year,"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "you can actually see the change as"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "people are forced to exercise the skill"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "on their own separate from you."}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": ">> I think also on a live event, so for me"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "I love live events as well. You can see"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "in my office."}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "I think the best part about a live event"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "is let's say I come to one of your live"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "events. Where do you guys hold them?"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:57", "text": ">> We hold them in Colorado Springs. We"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "hold them in Las Vegas. We hold them in"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:00", "text": ">> Okay, cool. So, I go to one of your live"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "events. The best part is you're teaching"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "an audience, you're creating a buzz,"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "everybody's kind of on the same page. In"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "the hallways, the breakout sessions, or"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "even after the event, guess what's"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "happening? They're networking with each"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "other, iron sharpens iron, and they're"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "bringing multiple perspectives to the"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "the situation, rather than you just"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "doing one-on-ones, which your job, being"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "put on this earth, is to create a"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "massive amount of impact. You can't do"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "that at scale on one-on-one."}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "But, if you do it in a room, you create"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "that buzz, they all have that same"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "vibration, they go in the hallways,"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "lunch, they go to dinners, they go hang"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "out for the next three or four months,"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "and they're texting each other, and"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "they're in group chats. They're taking"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "your principles and applying them to"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "each others' businesses. So, is that"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "different than your challenges?"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": ">> Um yes and no."}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "I would say that they're they're mostly"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "the same because of all the things that"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "you mentioned. You're looking for the"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "buzz. You're looking to create the group"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "community. Not just a community of"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "people, but a community of people who"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "iron sharpens iron."}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:55", "text": ">> Right. You want a contributory"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:57", "text": ">> community."}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:59", "text": ">> Yes. Not just a puddle of people, right?"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "So, to create those, you have to give"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "people a goal, you have to give them a"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "purpose, you have to give them a set of"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "things to accomplish along the way. So,"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "challenges are great for that, and the"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "right type of live event is great for"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "that, too. So, you can create that"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "contribution, which drives people to see"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "the outcome on the other side."}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:19", "text": ">> Okay, cool. I love that."}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:19", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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Then in late August,"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "the director of the CIA, John Ratcliffe,"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "secretly flew to Moscow amid concerns of"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "a mass mobilization of up to 600,000 new"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Russian soldiers. Ratcliffe warned"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "Putin's agents, \"Do not order an attack"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "on a NATO country. Every intelligence"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "agency in the world, from China to"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "Europe, now believes Putin is strongly"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "considering escalation in the war in"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Ukraine. At the center of all this is"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "Russia's second mass mobilization or"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "draft.\" So today, we're going beyond the"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "headlines to find out how destabilizing"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "is the draft to Russia, how will it"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "change the course of the war on the"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "front line, and why have many"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "mobilizations failed to win wars in the"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "past. You're a 35-year-old Russian man"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "working on a factory floor in Penza,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Russia, helping manufacture furniture to"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "send off to warehouses for wildberries,"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "when suddenly the door opens and a squad"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "of Russian police come rushing in. They"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "grab you and put you and 34 other of"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "your employees co-workers into"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "handcuffs. You've just been volunttoled"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "that you're doing military service. This"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "is exactly what authorities are doing"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "across Russia where enlistment officials"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "are carrying out street and work site"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "raids. HR has significantly expanded its"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "responsibilities. At the same time, it's"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "certainly true that Ukraine has faced"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "its own scandals involving men being"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "forcibly detained by recruitment"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "officials and grabbed off the streets."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "However, the difference is that Putin is"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "going to extraordinary lengths to"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "continue his war of aggression while"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "still insisting that Russia doesn't need"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "another formal mobilization. Here's the"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "big problem that the Kremlin is hitting,"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "though. 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And we thank MOD for"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "sponsoring this episode. So, the big"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "problem the Kremlin is hitting. One"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "independent estimate found that in the"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "second quarter of 2025, only about"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "38,000 people had signed contracts with"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "the Russian Ministry of Defense, the"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "lowest quarterly figure in 2 years. It's"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "going to shock you, but the Kremlin's"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "official recruitment numbers may not be"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "accurate. In fact, Janice Klug, a"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "researcher who has reconstructed"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "recruitment from Russia's regional"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "budget data, reported in April of this"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "year that recruitment fell by another"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "20% in the first quarter of 2026. Turns"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "out you can inflate the statistics a lot"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "easier than you can the infantry. On"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "July 27th, Putin increase the authorized"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "strength of the Russian army for the"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "third time in just 6 months, attempting"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "to increase the total manpower strength"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "to 1 and a half million servicemen,"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "close to United States military size."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "This is a hint of things to come,"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "though, because in the past, we've"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "always seen increases in the authorized"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "strength of the Russian military is"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "preceded by these kind of major"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "recruitment campaigns. This is because"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "sometime in fall of 2022, the Russian"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "high command had realized that their"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "3-day special military operation was"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "entering its 200th day and things might"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "not be going exactly to plan. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "Ukraine was pushing forward with a"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "counteroffensive knocking them back and"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "it wasn't clear where it would end. And"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "so Putin did something very risky. In a"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "pre-televised address to the nation,"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "Putin announced a partial pretenzes"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "mobilization to the Russian people,"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "demanding those with relevant experience"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "go fight on the front lines. The defense"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "ministry set the callup number at around"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "300,000."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "But what ensued in Russia was nothing"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "short of McRib is back levels of chaos."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "Within days, mass protests had erupted"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "across Russia. And within just two days"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "of the call up being announced, another"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "over 2,400 protesters were arrested"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "across dozens of cities. By October,"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "more than 30 recruitment offices were"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "set on fire. They were completely ablaze"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "with over a 100 wider cases of arson"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "attacks since the war had begun. So the"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "roll out had some minor customer"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "feedback issues. One case shocked the"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "nation when a young man named"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "Rousulanzini stormed into a recruitment"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "office and shot the commander."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "dissatisfied with the summons and"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "shouting quote, \"We will all go home.\""}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "Nothing tests support for a war like"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "receiving your own invitation to it. In"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "fact, the government response to the"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "Russian protesters was brutal. Those who"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "had protested were in some cases met by"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "police officers issuing draft notices,"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "essentially sending those who protested"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "the war to die to fight in it, which is"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "the most Russian solution possible when"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "you really think about it. Within the"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "Chetchin Republic, simply associating"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "with protesters was enough to send you"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "to your own death in the front lines."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "Russian FSB records show that within"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "three days of the draft notice, 261,000"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "people fled Russia. Other estimates"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "place that number up to 700,000 who"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "eventually left and who are still living"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "abroad. Turns out the fastest way to"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "convince Russians to leave Russia was to"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "just ask them to defend it. But the"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "troop surge was able to stabilize the"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "front line for Russian forces. They were"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "able to reinforce their defensive lines"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "to stop the Ukrainian counteroffensive"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "from continuing unchallenged. That's the"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "problem with mobilizations. It's largely"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "in the past been good for getting"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "conscripts into defensive positions. It"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "hasn't been proven for the kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "complicated work required for advancing"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "on the front line. And the backlash got"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "so bad that even the Putin regime's own"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "top supporters broke ranks. The"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "editor-inchief of the Russian news"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "outlet RT raged that recruits were quote"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "infuriating people as if on purpose, as"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "if out of spite, as if they'd been sent"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "by Keev, end quote. Two senior lawmakers"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "in Russia admitted that anger had been"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "stoked and multiple senior figures"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "within the government had issued public"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "apologies. The kicker, Russian"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "investigative journalists argue that the"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "real number of those conscripted was"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "actually much higher, upward of 500,000"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "people, which was far more than what was"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "promised to the Russian people. Putin"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "breaking promises, shocking stuff, I"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "know. So, what did that change? The"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "Kremlin got the message from that."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "Mobilizing men forcefully creates deep"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "political tension, which risks upsetting"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "Putin's grip on power. which is why"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "since that controversial draft, that"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "mobilization, Putin has not announced"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "another one of its kind yet. The problem"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "for Russia is that any serious estimates"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "show that Russia's casualties each month"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "match their recruitment or fall just"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "short of it. Putin's solution to all"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "this mess is effectively a hidden"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "mobilization that I will show you how it"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "runs on three main things: bribery,"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "coercion, and duping. And there's an"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "important distinction here because"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "Russia already drafts people every year."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "Conscription and mobilization aren't"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "exactly the same thing. Russia has"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "regular conscripts doing mandatory"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "military service and then it has"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "millions of former servicemen and reser"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "who can potentially be pulled from into"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "uniform through mobilization. But that"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "last category is the most politically"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "dangerous to Putin. A general"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "mobilization reaches the lives of"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "ordinary Russian families. It's much"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "easier to support mobilization when the"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "mobilization is happening to somebody"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "you've never met. Best way to understand"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "the mobilization is through a term"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "called deathanomics. It's a term coined"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "by the Russian economist Vladislav. And"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "it describes the actual machine that"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "Putin built to replace the draft. It"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "turns out if you offer more money than"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "you will see in years, a whole lot of"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "impoverished Russian men will sign up"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "for the military. By offering extremely"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "high sign up bonuses, salaries, and"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "death payouts, many men felt that"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "pressure through desperation or greed to"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "sign up to fight, knowing that either"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "they or their family will receive"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "unheard of wealth. As Eno Zebnesev"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "writes, it's the transformation of the"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "economically useless lives into tangible"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "financial assets. How bad is that"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "pressure? Reports from inside Russia"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "abound of families, wives, and"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "girlfriends all pressuring their men to"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "sign up to fight. Could it really be"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "worth almost certainly losing your life,"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "though? For just putting your name on"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "the Ministry of Defense contract, the"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "federal minimum one-time payment was"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "$400,000 rubles or about $4,500 US,"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "which is insane when the median Russian"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "worker earns about $750 a month. So, for"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "instance, Samra, the region in Russia,"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "pushed its bonus to over a million"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "rubles, the equivalent of about $5,000."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "Multiple impoverished regions have"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "announced huge bonuses like that."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "Because nothing says a healthy labor"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "market like competing for the"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "possibility to get to die in the war in"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "Ukraine. So, why are soldiers jumping at"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "this? If a contract soldier is killed in"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "battle, the payments to his family, the"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "federal death gratuitity, that insurance"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "and regional topups stack up to roughly"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "14 million rubles in the regions that"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "Russia recruits from. This is often more"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "money than a man would earn in 20 years"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "and for some possibly a lifetime."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "Knowing this, it starts to become more"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "clear how and why Russia continues to"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "enlist volunteer soldiers despite the"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "hundreds of thousands of deaths taken in"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "the fight for Ukraine. Think for a"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "moment how crazy this is. The Russian"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "state has made it so that its poorest"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "citizens are now worth more dead than"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "alive. And that the most achievable way"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "of becoming wealthy or lifting your"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "family out of poverty is by fighting a"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "war against Ukraine. This brings us to"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "our second pillar of Putin's hidden"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "mobilization. It was basically a work"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "release program where you set your"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "craziest and most dangerous inmates free"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "if they survive a few months of the"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "battlefield. that's definitely not going"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "to have any downsides in the future. A"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "tactic that proved so effective actually"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "that the Ukrainian government actually"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "ended up copying it to defend"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "themselves. In the summer of 2022, at a"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "prison colony housing over 500 inmates,"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "a helicopter landed in the courtyard"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "there, outstepped good old Yvghani"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "Pogosian and he made a deal with the"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "inmates. You fight for 6 months in the"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "Vagner group and if you survive you walk"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "out a free man with a full pardon having"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "earned 100,000 rubles a month die and"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "well the fine print handles that"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "thousands signed up the Russian Ministry"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "of Defense began recruiting from prisons"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "directly copying Vagner's wholesale"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "model as part of what analysts described"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "in 2023 as an intense effort to bolster"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "numbers while avoiding a new"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "mobilization that would be quote very"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "unpopular with the Russian public."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "What's shocking is that the scale of the"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "prison recruitment is larger than you"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "might expect. Because as disclosed by"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "Russia's own deputy justice minister,"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "between the start of the war in 2023,"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "Russia's prison population fell from"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "about 400,000 to about 250,000. It's the"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "world's worst anti-rescetivism program."}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "If I said that right, I think I did. But"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "the prisoners knew that they were going"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "to war. The next group of recruits"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "didn't, which makes it worse because"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "we're talking about the trickery pillar,"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "the third pillar of the hidden"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "mobilization, duping. Forget the"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "Nigerian prince scamming you for money"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "because Russia has turned the tables"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "with its own scam. A CNN investigation"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "traced a pipeline of African men who"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "were lured into the Russian army through"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "what can only be described as fraud with"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "a uniform at the end of it. Often these"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "men were promised high wages and"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "civilian jobs, but they ended up being"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "duped into signing contracts with the"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "Ministry of Defense, which then sends"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "them to the front lines of Ukraine."}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "Nothing says competitive benefits"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "package like discovering the actual job"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "after you even arrive. This is such a"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "big problem that multiple African"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "governments have had to deal with. One"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "recruited soldier said that he was told"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "to be a security guard, not a frontline"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "soldier. and another was told that the"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "military contract he'd signed was"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "actually a document to obtain a working"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "permit. Again, the pattern is clear"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "here. I think the reason this strategy"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "works is that it depends on the most"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "vulnerable people signing up out of"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "desperation. The South African scandal"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "shown a light on the dire economic"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "situation facing many young people which"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "Russia happily exploits with more than"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "40% of the under 35s not in work or"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "further education. In fact, one Somali"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "prisoner of war summed it up perfectly."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "I think under the promise of about"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "$2,000 a month, he said this would be"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "the kind of money that would make him a"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "king in Somalia. So, borrowing from"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "other militaries and other countries has"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "also been an attempt to stall the full"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "mobilization in Russia. In 2024, North"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "Korean soldiers started to appear on the"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "fight. Roughly 11,000 North Korean"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "troops were stent and are still"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "stationed in Kursk with reports of"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "another 30 to 50,000 on their way. And"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "over the past year or two, Putin has"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "been amending the law to increase"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "conscription numbers into the regular"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "military. So the age window has widened"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "and the process now runs year round"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "rather than seasonally with last"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "autumn's call up summoning about 135,000"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "men, the biggest conscription intake in"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "9 years. So what Russia has done after"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "they realize that a big dramatic"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "announcement of immobilization leads to"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "wild destabilization and an unhappy"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "public. What they've done is they've"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "invested in their administration of"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "conscription. So now they have the"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "facilities, the operational aspect"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "behind it to slowly incorporate these"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "people and to not shock the system. And"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "this reflects a wider target of"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "expanding that military to a million and"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "a half active personnel. And in late"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "2025, Russia passed legislation allowing"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "the state to summon members of its"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "mobilization reserve for special"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "assemblies in peace time. Officially,"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "special assemblies, quote unquote, are"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "designed to guard infrastructure against"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "Ukrainian drones on Russian soil, which"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "is going brilliantly if you've seen"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "that. Importantly, independent Russian"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "news outlets see straight through this"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "trick. It's simply another mechanism to"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "pull men into service without ever"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "uttering officially the word"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "mobilization. While conscripts can't"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "legally be sent to the front, it's"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "another man in the system with military"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "experience who may be coerced into"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "signing a contract to go to Ukraine. In"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "fact, this is often exactly the case"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "with widespread reports of conscripts"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "being bullied and intimidated into"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "signing military contracts. Tactics that"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "make even army recruiters signing up"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "people for infantry blush. Will it work?"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "So, what would another 400,000 Russian"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "soldiers actually do to the war effort?"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "What we're really talking about here is"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "one of the oldest ideas in military"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "science, troop surges. Putting enough"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "additional combat power into a fight at"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "just the right moment to change the"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "balance. History is absolutely lousy"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "with examples of this. The Iraq troop"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "surge of 30,000 forces. You had the"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "Korean War which reached 500,000 Chinese"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "soldiers that were just pouring into"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "Korea to stop the American advance which"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "caused a yo-yo effect of the front lines"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "and then ended in a stalemate. But there"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "are several key examples in history of"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "mobilizations of drafts failing no"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "matter how many bodies were sent to the"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "meat grinder. Cuz during the American"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "Vietnam War, the draft led to 540,000"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "armed forces in the country. It was"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "wildly unpopular and was a factor"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "leading to the end of the war. And you"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "also saw many people fleeing the United"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "States to Canada at the time. Public"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "reception was, how do you say, mixed. So"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "the Soviet Afghanistan troop surge by"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "the 1980s. A US intelligence report at"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "the time estimated that Moscow might"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "need another 60,000 soldiers just to"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "achieve their objectives, which that of"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "course ended in failure. Germany's 1918"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "spring offensive saw a huge troop surge"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "that consumed irreplaceable manpower"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "failed to achieve its strategic"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "objectives and Germany suffered more"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "than 600,000 casualties across the"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "spring offensive. There is a science to"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "troop mobilizations. I think there is a"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "rule of the universe here, a law of"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "nature, if you will, that extends beyond"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "troop mobilizations. You cannot get"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "something for nothing. And one of the"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "worst prices that you pay for"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "mobilization is destabilization at home."}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "Does that is that rhyme? Is that is that"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "why it's a law of nature? It would"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "potentially be a big threat, but not"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "overnight. I think Russia's biggest"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "manpower problem right now is that new"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "recruits are increasingly being"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "consumed, simply replacing battlefield"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "losses. So Russia's basically just"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "running extremely hard just to stay in"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "roughly the same place right now. A new"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "mobilization changes that equation"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "because suddenly Putin could create a"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "surplus of manpower. So another 300,000"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "men would be roughly equivalent to 10"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "months of losses at a casualty rate of"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "about 30,000 per month. These soldiers"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "could replenish depleted infantry and"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "most importantly though give Russia"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "enough fresh formations to concentrate"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "forces for another major offensive in"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "the future instead of constantly feeding"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "replacements into existing units. But"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "there's a giant asterisk here. Mobilized"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "manpower is not the same as combat"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "power. Russia still has to train, equip,"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "and transport and supply all of those"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "troops. Ukraine's expanding their drone"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "kill zone. And it's made it moving large"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "numbers of troops toward the front"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "increasingly dangerous. And that's why"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "ISW has specifically warned that"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "additional manpower may not"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "substantially improve Russia's"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "battlefield performance unless Russia"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "can first reduce Ukraine's ability to"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "attack troops and logistics behind the"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "front. So another mobilization probably"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "doesn't create some giant human wave"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "breakthrough that next morning. What it"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "does do is give Putin something possibly"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "more dangerous in a nutritional war. It"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "gives him time. If 600,000 troops were"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "mobilized, it changes the math. But"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "those are soldiers spread out over two"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "years. What does it create? More of a"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "strategic reserve. It could concentrate"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "fresh units for renewed offensive"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "campaign in the north of Ukraine."}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "Ukraine believes a new front will be"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "opened from Russia's Bianco bust. With"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "enough additional manpower, Moscow could"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "expand pressure there to pull brigades"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "away from the main battlefield in the"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "south. because apparently one front"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "wasn't enough paperwork. So the big"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "question is would it be sustainable over"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "time? Can Russia actually keep this up?"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "Countries are capable of doing what"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "seems impossible under the current"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "conditions though of paying out these"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "kind of bonuses and money? Maybe not."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "But if the conditions change, it could"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "be done under more strict circumstances."}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "Here's the problem. In Tardistan and"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "Russia, its budget deficit for 2025 more"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "than doubled from the planned 13 billion"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "rubles to 31 billion. Importantly, this"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "is one of Russia's wealthier republics."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "And it also paid one of the steepest"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "human prices with around 10,000 recorded"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "deaths according to an independent media"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "outlet. So, Bosch Curia went even"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "further, having payments to men who were"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "already serving. Imagine getting a pay"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "cut mid deployment in a trench that you"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "don't even know if you'll ever come out"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "of alive. Even Russian officials had"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "stopped pretending that this wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "problem. The deputy chairman of the"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "state's Duma economic policy committee"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "openly blamed the finance ministry for"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "squeezing the region's recruitment"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "drive, including wealthier ones, and"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "admitted that in essence they were"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "simply running out of money to pay the"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "soldiers. Another problem lies on top of"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "this. Because the region's bonuses and"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "salaries are so far above the average,"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "there gets to be a point where everyone"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "who could be bought at a price already"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "has been. Those motivated by cash"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "incentives had by now likely already"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "signed. And to bring us full circle to"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "the CIA director's emergency flight to"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "Moscow, American intelligence has warned"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "that they believe Putin's ultimate goal"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "is to test NATO with some kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "limited military action potentially"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "involving the Baltic States or Poland."}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "So, how would we know if Putin has"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "finally decided that all these"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "workarounds aren't enough? The warning"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "signs would appear first with training"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "bases being built up to prepare for"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "larger intakes. And most importantly,"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "you'd watch what happens after Russia's"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "September elections. In avoiding a draft"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "after the events of 2022, Putin built an"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "army on bribery, prison colonies, and"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "duped foreign nationals while telling"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "the public that nothing had changed,"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "that there was no mobilization and"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "nothing controversial to see here. But"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "as I've shown you, you can't hide the"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "bill forever. Recruitment is now falling"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "behind losses. regions are slashing"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "bonuses and pay because they can no"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "longer afford it. And the deaths Russia"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "has sustained have accelerated a birth"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "decline so low it's not been seen in two"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "centuries. Major mobilizations are a"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "threat to keep an eye on though. In"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "military history, large influxes of"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "troops can quickly change the tide if"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "it's done in combination with a correct"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "doctrine. So the question I think is"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "what is going to break first, the"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "Russian economy or the Russian will to"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "devote human resources to this war? If"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "you found this video interesting, I"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "think you'll really like this followup"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "on Russia's biggest mistakes in 2026."}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "I'm Chris Cappy. I'll see you in the"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "next transmission."}]

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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Kim recently unveiled a new memorial"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "statue in the center of Pyongyang."}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "Presiding over the ceremony, he praised"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "the bravery and honor of his fallen"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "soldiers fighting in a {quote} sacred"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "war, he said, for the future of Russia."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "Flanked by men of both national uniforms"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "on both sides, Kim gave his usual"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "remarks before embracing veterans of the"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "conflict and shaking hands with foreign"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "dignitaries. Kim felt honored by their"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "sacrifice and looked forward to the"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "{quote} new history of friendship with"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "Russia written in blood. That's one way"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "to honor the dead by explaining why they"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "died for somebody else's country."}]

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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "Something shocking is happening to"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Russia's economy over the last year."}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "Commandos capturing their shadow oil"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "tankers. Ukrainian drones burning down"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "their warehouses and oil refineries."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "These seemingly separate stories are"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "increasingly looking like part of a"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "broader coordinated campaign against"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "Russia's entire economy. So much for"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "keeping economic policy boring."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> British forces."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> The Royal Marines have seized a"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "sanctioned Russian Shadowfleet tank in"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "the English Channel. Imagine if Amazon"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "suddenly became a military target."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> And even inside Russia, there are now"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "signs that experts are beginning to"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "worry about where this leads. Klepic,"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "one of Russia's most senior economic"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "officials, recently warned that Russia"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "could not win a prolonged economic war"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "of attrition. He's since been fired and"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "is currently avoiding open windows. So"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "today, I want to examine, are these"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "isolated attacks, or are we watching a"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "new war against Russia's economy? Why"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "are NATO countries suddenly willing to"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "overtly seize Russian oil tankers? And"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "why is Ukraine dead set on destroying"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "Russia's version of Amazon? And most"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "importantly, could any of this put"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "enough pressure on Moscow to change the"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "course of the war? Because of how"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "closely intertwined drones have become"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "with war? I've had to learn a ton about"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "them from how they're manufactured to"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "their capabilities. But I've always been"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "the kind of person where I won't learn"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "anything unless I really get hands-on"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "with the thing. So, before we get back"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "to today's episode, first I want to show"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "you the Vololo X easy AAI drone from DCX"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Unlimited, today's partner. They're an"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "American-owned company with a real"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "US-based support team that can answer"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "any questions that you might have. And"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "that's the thing, most people don't"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "avoid buying drones because of the price"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "tag. They're usually just worried that"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "they're going to crash it or they think"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "that flying it's too complicated. The"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "Volo X Easy AI drone is super simple to"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "operate. Let me tell you, you don't need"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "your phone, apps, or cables. You just"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "power it on and it's ready to fly. My"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "favorite part is for new pilots, it has"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "obstacle avoidance, AI flight"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "assistance, and one-touch return to"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "home. If you're the type of person who"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "needs to get hands-on in order to"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "understand something like me, you've"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "always wanted to learn more about"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "drones, but you never felt confident"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "enough to buy one, this is the one that"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "I recommend you get. Just scan the QR"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "code up there or click the link below to"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "get 20% off the Vololo X easy drone"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "right now on Amazon while the offer"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "lasts. Just enter Cappy Army to get 20%"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "off your order. Now, back to the"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "episode. And that brings us to what"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "might be the strangest target in this"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "entire campaign. Ukraine is now"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "systematically trying to destroy one of"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "the largest companies in all of Russia."}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "Now, you might be wondering, why does"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "Ukraine care about a company known as"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "the Russian version of Amazon? Because"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "it turns out wild berries may not be"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "what it appears. And targeting this"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "massive corporation might actually be"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "one of the most effective ways for"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "Ukraine to end the war. The company was"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "started by Tatiana Kim when she was 28"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "years old and quickly grew into a"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "corporate beast. It connects businesses"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "and independent sellers all across"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "Russia with customers through a huge"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "searchable online database basically"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "like Amazon except it doesn't sell its"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "own products as well. and its CEO seems"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "far less obsessed with going to space."}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "While Barry stores ordered items and"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "inventory from entrepreneurs and small"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "businesses across the country in its"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "warehouses and then ships them out to"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "customers, handling all the payments in"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "the process. While this seems"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "straightforward, it's hard to state just"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "how many services Wild Berry provides in"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "Russia. It handles everything from home"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "goods to air travel. It also handles"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "some questionable equipment for the"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "Russian military, as we'll soon see."}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "Now, personally, I've only ever been to"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "Russia very briefly, but from what I"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "understand, the company even has its own"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "financial arm. They run the WB Bank and"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "have a partnership with the Russian"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "majority state-owned institution, VTB"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "Bank. This makes its involvement and"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "impact on every sector of the Russian"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "economy enormous. In fact, Wild Berries"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "has become so huge that it currently"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "accounts for 3% of Russia's entire GDP."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "In comparison, Amazon sales represent"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "just over 1% of US GDP. While Bry's"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "annual turnover amounts to more than 2"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "trillion rubles, almost 24 billion."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "Along with its only real competitor,"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "Ozon, it's used by about 90% of Russia's"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "entire population, which is why in 2024,"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "the company had $9 billion in revenue."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "Wildberries has grown so profitable that"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "Tatiana Kim her net worth is estimated"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "at $8 billion making her one of the"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "richest women on earth. So calling this"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "company Russia's Amazon is almost"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "underelling it. The Ukrainian campaign"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "against the facilities started on July"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "18th, 2026 and has quickly escalated"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "from there. Dozens of Ukrainian drones"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "zoom through the summer night sky,"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "passing Moscow and approaching a target"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "further to the east. Russian air defense"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "intercepts about 48 of them, but they're"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "eventually overwhelmed by the sheer"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "number of drones. A strategy Ukraine has"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "used to advance deep into Russian"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "airspace many times before. But this"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "time, the target is different. The"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "drones close in on their final"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "destination, a massive 360,000"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "square meter building in Electrostall,"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "more than one and a half times the size"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "of the US capital building. It erupts in"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "flames. The few remaining unevacuated"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "workers run out into the parking lot,"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "distancing themselves from a plume of"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "smoke so massive it could be seen from"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "outer space. The damages sustained about"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "a billion dollars. The target a"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "warehouse for the online Russian"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "retailer Wild Berries. As of August 4th,"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "Ukraine has attacked 20 different Wild"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "Berries logistics facilities. And these"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "amount to over 60% of the company's"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "largest sites. According to the"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Ukrainian Unmanned Systems Forces"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "Commander Robert Broid, at least 13 of"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "them have been entirely disabled or"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "severely damaged as a result. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "on the night Ukraine hit the"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "Electrostall warehouse, it wasn't even"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "the only Wild Berries target to be hit."}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "Another warehouse in the city of Tambob"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "was also hit. The two attacks resulted"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "in eight deaths and over 60 people"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "injured in addition to the devastating"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "economic damages. So, military science"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "has a name for the idea of this type of"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "attack on economic infrastructure. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "called attacking the industrial web. A"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "modern country is now basically one"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "enormous interconnected machine of"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "banking companies, warehouses that"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "distribute goods, then the trucks that"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "move them, and the factories that"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "produce them. All of those systems"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "eventually help sustain a military. The"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "theory is that if you can find a few"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "critical nodes, knock them out, then the"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "damage can cascade through everything"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "connected to them. And wild berries in"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "Russia may be one of the biggest nodes"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "that Ukraine has found inside the"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "country. But why is Ukraine targeting"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "this company in particular? And is it"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "even a legitimate military target to"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "begin with? Unsurprisingly, according to"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "Ukraine, yes, it is. And according to"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "Russia, no, it's not. Ukrainian"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "President Zalinsky stated that"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "Wildberries is a legitimate military"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "target because it functions as a"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "logistics hub involved in supplying the"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "Russian army with drone components,"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "navigation equipment, and other gear."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "Both CEO Kim and the Kremlin have denied"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "that Wild Berries is in any way involved"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "with the Russian military. Kim went even"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "further, calling the strikes acts of"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "terrorism, quote unquote, in a July 31st"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "video message. But given the credibility"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "of both billionaires and Putin allies in"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "2026, Kim is both. Few people took her"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "statement at face value for that reason."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "Not to mention, Russia's moral outrage"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "at having supposedly civilian targets"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "hit rang a little bit hollow given its"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "military's tendency to strike Ukrainian"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "shopping malls and maternity clinics."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "And so some independent analysts,"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "including one reporter for foreign"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "policy, did their own research on what's"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "really going on with wild berries and"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "came to some shocking conclusions. To"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "understand them, it's important to"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "remember that the Russian army has been"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "famously underprepared and under"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "supplied for the duration of the Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "Russia conflict. Up to the point of"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "lower level soldiers not even being told"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "that they were going to invade Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "in the first place up until they were"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "driving across the border. From the"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "start, the Russian invasion has been a"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "solders's nightmare of equipment losses,"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "broken down vehicles, fuel shortages,"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "hungry troops, and a medical crisis. And"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "sanctions on the Russian economy have"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "further limited the Kremlin's ability to"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "adequately supply its troops, if they"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "even cared to do so in the first place."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "Which, considering the Russian state's"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "long tradition of indifference to tens"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "of millions of its people dying, wasn't"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "all that likely. As retired US Army"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "Lieutenant General Ben Hajes said,"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "\"Russia has never reliably supplied its"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "own soldiers with basics like thermal"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "imagers, generators, or quality"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "tourniquets. So, the solution the"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "Russian army has come up with is to"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "crowdfund military supplies. We do it"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "with healthcare here in the US. So, so"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "why not?\" And the companies like Wild"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "Berries have allegedly stepped in to"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "fill that void. Because Wild Berries"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "isn't just shopping out laundry"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "detergent and t-shirts. One reporter"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "found over a thousand Wild Berries"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "listings that met a strict definition of"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "military equipment with no plausible"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "civilian use, such as body armor plates,"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "combat helmets, drone munition"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "components, drone detectors, and"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "electronic warfare jamming systems."}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "Since we're not in the Mad Max universe,"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "it's pretty hard to argue you're selling"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "drone munition components to civilians."}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "The same report found another 4,500"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "listings that fell under dual use."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "things like tourniquets, night vision"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "devices, and cold weather gear. But"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "still, how can someone prove that these"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "items are being bought specifically for"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "the Russian military? Well, it helps"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "that up until the latest round of"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "attacks on their warehouses, Wildberries"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "itself had basically announced it. The"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "website had a catalog category called"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "everything for the SVO. SVO being the"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "Russian acronym for special military"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "operation. This was quickly taken down"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "though after the drone attack started as"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "it complicated Kim's and Putin's stance"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "that the company was certainly not"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "involved in military operations. But a"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "lot of other evidence still remains."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "Hundreds of Telegram channels are"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "fundraising for the Russian army. A"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "review of 30 such channels turned up"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "more than 18,000 posts linking directly"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "to product pages on Wildberries. Some of"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "the procurement requests were so"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "specific that they included an"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "individual military unit's call sign."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "Soldiers have even been observed"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "ordering equipment for themselves from"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "the front lines. And for an extra fee,"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "they could even get one-day delivery."}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "Definitely worth the price when the"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "delivery is body armor to a war zone."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "Anyway, according to international law,"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "if Wild Berries has been functioning, at"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "least in part as a military supply"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "chain, most experts agree that it"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "becomes a valid military target. This"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "explains why Ukraine is able to strike"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "its warehouses and logistics center, but"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "doesn't fully explain the Ukrainian"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "military's full strategy here. If we"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "look closer at the owner of the company,"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "Tatiana Kim, she's also suspected to"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "have very close relationship with Putin."}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "In 2024, Putin endorsed a controversial"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "deal that merged Wildberries with the"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "advertising firm Russ. Kim's husband at"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "the time, Vladislav, disagreed with this"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "step in a strange insight into Russian"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "corporate dealings. The disagreement"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "somehow resulted in a shootout at"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "Wildberry's Moscow headquarters that"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "killed two security guards,"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "making your corporate Zoom meeting seem"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "pretty good, but potentially even more"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "boring in comparison. Understandably,"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "Kim and her husband divorced shortly"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "after. And so, clearly, given the"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "company's size and importance, striking"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "Wild Berries is bound to have a serious"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "effect on the Russian economy and a"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "Putin ally. But there's another reason"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "Wild Berries has become a Ukrainian"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "target. Striking at the company's"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "warehouses is a direct hit to the"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "Russian economy and more than that a"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "strike at the heart of the class that"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "Putin wants to keep most insulated from"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "the war. In a time of international"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "economic sanctions on Russia and a"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "domestic economy that's teetering on the"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "brink of abyss. Wildberries has"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "functioned as somewhat of a lifeline for"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "small and medium-sized Russian"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "businesses. The ones that Putin swore to"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "protect in order to keep a lot of his"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "middle class urban base calm. given the"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "Kremlin's let's say questionable"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "actions. While physical damages to"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "Wildber's warehouses were estimated at"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "about $400 million at the end of July,"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "this is before the $1 billion in damages"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "due to the strikes at Electrostall. The"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "destroyed inventory has already amounted"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "to about $2 billion. So that's damage to"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "Wild Berry's products and it's damage to"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "millions of items owned and sold by"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "independent businesses and sellers in"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "Russia who are currently running out of"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "stock, out of cash, and out of options."}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "The sizable clothing brand Finflare lost"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "inventory worth 100 million rubles or"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "about $1.2 million in the strike of"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "Electrostall. And while big companies"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "like that have some hope that they can"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "leverage their size and brand to"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "negotiate with wild berries, it's not"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "just big companies that are getting hit."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "Small entrepreneurs and sellers who have"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "few cash reserves have almost no room to"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "negotiate and are also bearing the brunt"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "of the drone attacks on these"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "warehouses. One Russian seller posted on"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "social media saying, quote, \"I'm a"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "mother of a disabled child. I've built"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "the business myself. I've lost $12,700."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "were already getting screwed over from"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "every direction as it is. She also"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "included quite a few Russian curses in"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "the post, but I've decided to remove"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "them no matter how fun they might be to"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "say. Another woman whose company sells"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "teen clothing told the BBC that the"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "outlook for working with Wildberries is"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "very murky. Right now, I have enough of"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "a safety cushion to survive the current"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "losses, but if there are more strikes, I"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "probably won't manage. End quote. Her"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "losses amounted to about a million"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "rubles of stock or about $16,000. These"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "economic losses come at a horrible time"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "for Russian businesses in general. In"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "the first quarter of 2026, about 200,000"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "small and medium-sized companies closed"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "up shop, which was an increase of about"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "9% compared to the first quarter of"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "2025. To make matters worse, most of"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "these entrepreneurs and small businesses"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "aren't expecting any refunds because"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "less than 2 weeks before Ukraine started"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "attacking Wild Berries warehouses, the"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "company added an important clause to its"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "contract. Under the list of force majour"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "events for which while berries is not"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "liable to provide compensation, it"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "decided to include something very"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "curious and strange, drone attacks,"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "which is either an incredible"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "coincidence, a result of a tip off from"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "intelligence agencies, or a tacid"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "admission that the Wild Berries was"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "indeed helping the Russian military and"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "knew that it might be hit for its"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "troubles. To keep her sellers somewhat"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "happy, CEO Tatiana Kim has provided a"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "small amount of compensation to"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "businesses and waved shipping fees. But"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "this isn't nearly enough to cover the"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "damage to inventory and loss profits for"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "most businesses. And the damage goes"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "beyond that. Russian customers are also"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "feeling the pain of these inventory"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "losses. With most international"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "marketplaces having withdrawn from"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "Russia due to the war, Russian citizens"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "absolutely rely on domestic sellers to"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "get those products that they so"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "desperately need through companies like"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "Wildberries and Ozan. Even worse news"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "for the Russian economy, though, since"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "Wildberries is so intertwined with"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "almost every part of it, the attacks on"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "its inventory have caused trickle down"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "effects elsewhere. shares of VTB Bank,"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "which Wild Berries is affiliated with,"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "fell two and a half% in one day after"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "the Ukrainian strikes for Ukraine. This"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "disruption of daily life and economic"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "pain is the goal. As Charles Heckler of"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "the Royal United Services Institute"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "think tank says, quote, \"It's difficult"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "now for President Putin to say that the"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "war on Ukraine is not impacting the way"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "ordinary Russians live because Zillinsky"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "overarching plan here is this quote, we"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "are quite justly bringing the war back"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "home to Russia.\" End quote. Putin has"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "done a lot to keep the war out of sight"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "and out of mind for many Russian"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "citizens, primarily the middle class of"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "Moscow and St. Petersburg. first by"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "recruiting heavily from rural and ethnic"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "minority regions of the war for their"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "efforts. And one study of tens of"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "thousands of Russian soldiers killed in"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "action found that quote the poorest most"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "rural parts of a large country provide"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "the bulk of the military labor end quote"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "which to be fair is how almost every war"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "is fought. But Russia just like with"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "winter temperatures and per capita vodka"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "consumption takes it to the absolute"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "extreme. They'd even rather recruit"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "people from some of the poorest"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "countries in the world like Cuba and"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "Bangladesh than endanger their urban"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "residents. As of July 2026, Russia had"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "recruited at least 27,000 foreign"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "nationals to fight in their war against"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "Ukraine. The worst part, some of them"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "don't even know that they're going to"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "war. While some signed up for combat in"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "exchange for money and food, little did"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "they know, serving in the Russian army"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "hardly guarantees that. Others were"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "promised jobs in Russia only to arrive"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "and be handed whatever armor had been"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "crowdfunded from wildber berries and a"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "gun. Maybe even more horrifyingly, many"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "of these poor foreign residents were"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "sent to the front lines as human"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "shields. The Kremlin has also tried to"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "spare its biggest cities and their"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "residents from Ukraine's previous"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "attacks on its infrastructure and"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "economy. After Ukraine took out some of"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "Russia's oil depots, gasoline was"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "rerouted from rural and remote areas to"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "the country's two main cities. Once"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "again, the Russian provinces were left"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "to deal with the cost of the war."}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "Because if there's one thing villages in"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "the depth of the Siberian winter don't"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "need, it's it's gas, right? But an"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "attack on wild berries is an attack that"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "strikes across Russia's classes and"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "regions. When warehouses with"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "inventories from areas across 11 time"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "zones go up in flames, everyone takes"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "the hit. Putin can't protect his middle"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "class voters or city dwelling base from"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "the negative shock of the attacks. Which"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "might be why Wildberries is accelerating"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "construction on a logistics center in a"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "Bellarusen industrial park. As a country"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "theoretically uninvolved in the war,"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "inventory could be stored in Bellarus to"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "protect it from Ukrainian strikes. The"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "first deputy director general of the"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "company developing the park confirmed"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "this on Bellarusen television when he"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "said, quote, \"Unfortunately, the"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "circumstances currently unfolding on the"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "territory of the Russian Federation are"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "forcing the investor to build faster as"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "quickly as possible in order to put it"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "all fully into operation.\" End quote."}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "While the first part of the center is"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "already up and running, it's unlikely"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "that just one logistics center in"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "another country will be enough to"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "replace the function of all Wild Berries"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "facilities across Russia and thus"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "protect Wilder's inventory and"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "warehouses from being demolished. That's"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "not even touching on the effects of the"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "Wilder's attacks on the Russian economy"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "at large, including on inflation,"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "interest rates, and company loans."}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "Central Bank Governor Alvivera Nabalini"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "said she would have to wait and see if"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "the latest round of drone strikes would"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "cause higher inflation. Right now, the"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "central bank has set interest rates at"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "sky-high 14% and has been waiting for"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "some semblance of stability to be able"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "to lower them. Ongoing attacks on one of"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "Russia's biggest companies have"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "complicated this strategy. Economist"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "Alina Ribbikova explains why saying"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "quote inflation is still running high"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "and therefore any small shock could"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "force the central bank in Russia either"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "to slow down significantly the cuts or"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "even stop the cuts. So supply side"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "shocks are very important. Keep in mind"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "this is all happening in an economy that"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "best case scenario was expected to grow"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "0% this year and has actually spent the"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "first quarter of 2026 in contraction."}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "Since the bad news keeps on coming,"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "Esper Bank, Russia's largest lender,"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "said that it would have to increase loan"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "loss provisions due to the drone attacks"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "as online retailers and vendors credit"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "quality was tossed in the toilet. For"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "non- finance nerds, that means that the"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "bank is expecting a weakening economy"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "and way fewer businesses to be able to"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "pay off their loans. One source close to"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "the Kremlin reporting anonymously to"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "avoid having pelonium dropped in his"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "coffee believes that the consequences of"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "the attack on the Russian economy will"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "be disastrous and a time when the"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "government which is already struggling"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "to supply its soldiers with things like"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "weapons and food has limited abilities"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "to help. According to the source, there"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "will quote be a wave of bankruptcies. No"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "one has the kind of money needed to"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "support sellers. We're talking hundreds"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "of billions of rubles. That's a"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "significant blow to the economy end"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "quote. As of the beginning of August, at"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "least 20 Wild Berry sites have been"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "attacked. A fifth of the company's"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "capacity, 1.18 million square meters of"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "warehouse space has already been"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "destroyed. According to Reuters, one"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "seller by the name of Kilmov, and for"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "his sake, we're hoping Reuters used the"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "fake name, said, quote, \"Sales have"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "dropped by about 50% over the past"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "month, and that's because there are"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "almost no deliveries.\" The attacks are"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "widening even further with Ukrainian"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "drones no longer playing favorites. And"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "on August 24th, also starting to destroy"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "Russia's second largest online retailer,"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "Ozon. If Wild Berries is Russia's"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "Amazon, then Ozon is Russia's eBay meets"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "Walmart, if that makes sense. There is"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "without a doubt a Ukrainian intelligence"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "officer out there that just made a"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "killing by shorting their stock because"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "it fell 30% on the Moscow exchange after"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "Ozan was hit. So, how has Russia"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "reacted? Russian President Putin"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "promised the state would help fix the"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "warehouses. He asked his government to"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "design a special program to help the"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "warehouse sector. So Russia's finance"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "ministry came out and offered a tax"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "break to help the warehouses for up to a"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "year. Sorry your warehouses got"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "vaporized in our war. Have you"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "considered our new tax deduction?"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "Evidence this is part of a larger"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "coordinated campaign against Russia's"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "economy comes from the fact that the US"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "government is helping to guide these"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "Ukrainian drone strikes on Russia's oil"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "infrastructure. There's no public"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "evidence that all of these targets are"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "being selected by one giant bureaucratic"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "NATO spreadsheet titled Russian economic"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "targets.xls,"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "but the strategic direction is clear."}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "All at the same time, we're seeing"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "sanctions, intelligence support, drone"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "strikes, and maritime interdictions."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "They're all putting pressure on"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "different parts of the same Russian"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "economic machine. But wild berries is"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "only one part of Russia's economic"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "machine that is recently under attack."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "Blowing up warehouses attacks the system"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "that moves the goods, the money, and the"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "supplies inside Russia. But the next"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "part of the campaign goes after"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "something possibly even more important."}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "How Russia earns the money to keep that"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "system running in the first place. The"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "larger economic war is moving from the"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "warehouse floor to the high seas with"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "NATO countries help like the United"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "Kingdom, France, and America. As we'll"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "see in the early hours of June 15th, a"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "giant oil tanker was sailing through the"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "English Channel carrying sanctioned"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "Russian crude oil."}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "Then suddenly, British military"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "helicopters appeared overhead. Members"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "of the 42 Commando Group descended onto"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "the deck, securing the ship alongside"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "officers from the National Crime Agency."}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "The ship's captain was arrested and her"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "25 crew members were soon quote"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "assisting with the investigation. Today"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "I'll be making clear to them that I'm"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "giving permission for the UK to"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "intercept a shadow fleet, Russian shadow"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "fleet."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": ">> And so what looked like a police"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "operation was in reality something much"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "larger. A NATO country using armed force"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "to physically seize a Russian Shadow"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "Fleet vessel. This would have been"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "almost unthinkable when the invasion of"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "Ukraine first started. But in just the"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "past year, something's changed. There's"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "now a quickly escalating campaign"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "against sanctioned oil. It's expanded"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "from Ukrainian drone attacks in the Sea"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "of Isol to tanker explosions near"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "Africa, the Caribbean, and it stretches"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "towards Iran and the Caspian Sea."}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "Meanwhile, the straight of Hormuz and"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "the Bab Elm Mandab are under pressure."}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "When you look at the map of all the hot"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "spots of maritime trade, it's becoming"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "global in scale. Russia's shadow fleet"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "emerged after 2022 invasion of Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "when Western governments tried to"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "restrict Moscow's oil revenue without"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "removing Russian crude from the global"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "market entirely. The West slapped a $60"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "barrel cap on Russia's crude oil."}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "Because Western firms dominate the"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "insurance and financial market that oil"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "tankers need to operate, the cap was"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "pretty clever. Basically, what it meant"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "was if you sell above $60 a barrel, you"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "lose your entire access to the whole"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "western maritime system, essentially"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "making it impossible for a ship to sail."}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "What was Putin's answer to all this? He"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "built a fleet that didn't need the West"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "at all. using obscure legal rules. And"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "strategies employed by these ships"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "included being owned by shell companies"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "in places with famously relaxed"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "corporate oversight like Hong Kong,"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "using flags of convenience like Panama"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "and Cameroon and swapping them whenever"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "it was useful, switching off their"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "transponders or broadcasting fake"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "positions on the water, laundering that"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "oil itself through shipto- ship"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "transfers in open water, pumping crude"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "from one hole to another until nobody"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "could really legally prove where it even"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "came from. What's important here, I"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "think, is that this shadow fleet is"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "actually central to Russia's economy."}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "According to the Keev School of"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "Economics, Russia spent about $10"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "billion building this fleet since 2022."}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "And by 2024, the fleet earned Moscow"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "$9.5 billion in extra revenue by dodging"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "that price cap. The fleet pretty much"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "paid for itself in a single year. In"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "fact, the UK government estimates that"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "the Shadow Fleet, which consists of over"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "700 vessels, some say 1,600 globally, is"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "now responsible for transporting roughly"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "75% of Russia's sanctioned oil exports."}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "Analysts are fairly blunt in saying that"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "this oil revenue is what keeps Russia's"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "war machine fed with shells, missiles,"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "and drones that are all landing on"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "Ukrainian cities. So, when did Western"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "attacks on the tanker fleet begin? Once"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "the United States proved one could be"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "boarded without triggering a Russian"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "military response, an extraordinary"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "escalation has since happened quickly,"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "becoming a repeatable playbook. Shortly"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "after the abduction of Venezuelan"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "dictator Maduro, the United States"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "turned its eyes on Russian oil in the"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "North Atlantic between Iceland and"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "Scotland. Britain as its sidekick"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "provided aerial support and US special"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "forces repelled down from their"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "helicopters and stormed a ship from the"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "shadow vessel. This is the clear moment"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "that you can point to and see a shift."}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "From that point, Europe acted"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "aggressively against the shadow fleet,"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "piling on to kick a horse while it was"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "down. In January, the French Navy seized"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "a flag tanker despite previous Russian"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "warnings. Then three weeks later, the US"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "Navy boarded a Panama flag tanker known"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "to transport Russian oil in the Indian"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "Ocean. Two weeks after that, Belgian"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "special forces assisted by French"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "helicopters raided a Guinea registered"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "tanker. And then in June, French naval"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "troops boarded another tanker in the"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "Atlantic Ocean. It's happening so"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "quickly, it might be easy to miss. And"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "that's what's shocking about these"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "recent raids is that the Russian"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "government warned directly against doing"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "them. They went as far as to threaten,"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "quote, \"The Russian Federation considers"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "itself entitled to and will certainly"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "take measures to protect its interests,\""}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "dubbing the boardings as acts of piracy."}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "Those are pretty bold words. Even after"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "an official statement from spokesperson"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "Dmitri Pascov directly challenging the"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "Europeans and Americans, the French and"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "British simply didn't care. And at the"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "same time, Russia has yet to react in"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "any meaningful sense. So, what makes the"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "UK's most recent seizure of this smear"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "toss oil tanker and what makes it"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "different is what Britain intends to do"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "with everything on board that has major"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "consequences. The ship was carrying"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "roughly 100,000 tons of Russian crude"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "oil worth about $35 million. British"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "authorities treated that cargo as seized"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "property while the European Union has"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "now created a mechanism, a legal"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "mechanism allowing confiscated Russian"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "oil and equipment to be sold. and then"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "the proceeds redirected toward Ukraine."}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "More than $150 million in assets has"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "reportedly already been captured. The"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "British are some of the best when it"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "comes to navigating and creating layers"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "of bureaucracy, and storming ships is no"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "exception to that rule. They identified"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "that the sanctions and money laundering"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "act from 2018 could be used as their"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "legal basis to start approving the use"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "of military force against Russian"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "tankers. This is what kicked off the"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "plans to use the British armed forces in"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "what's described inside the UK"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "government as quote ramping up of"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "actions against the ships very British"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "to get legal permission in order to"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "first start capturing Russian ships."}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "Making sure their eyes are dotted and"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "their tees crossed. This changes the"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "economic logic of interdiction. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "West is now preventing Russia from"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "earning money while also taking the"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "assets Russia uses to finance the war"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "and convert them into money for the"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "country that Russia invaded. It's less"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "traditional sanctions enforcement and"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "more of a hostile takeover conducted by"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "British Royal Marines. Or put another"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "way, Britain has discovered a form of"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "piracy in which the pirates complete"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "several hundred pages of regulatory"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "paperwork before boarding. It's also"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "unusual because of how public it all"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "was. The British prime minister did"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "something unusual and said in the early"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "morning hours, \"I directed our armed"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "forces to intercept a shadowfleet oil"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "tanker attempting to pass through the"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "English Channel.\" Kirst called it yet"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "another blow to Russia and a reminder to"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "those fueling Putin's war in Ukraine"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "that we will not let them hide. Instead"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "of claiming a murky legal operation or a"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "boring sanctions package, the UK claimed"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "this operation was a major military"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "success. The announcement meant that"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "Britain was turning this seizure into a"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "public precedent. One of the closest"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "comparisons for this campaign and what"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "it's turning into is the tonnage war of"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "the Second World War. The objective was"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "to eliminate merchant vessels and cargo"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "faster than the enemy could replace"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "them. German Admiral Carl Donuts argued"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "that enemy shipping formed one"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "interconnected system and wherever a"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "vessel was lost, another ship still had"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "to be found to replace it. The current"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "campaign is obviously nowhere near the"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "scale of the Atlantic War. But the"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "underlying logic is beginning to look"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "familiar. Each tanker seized, damaged,"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "or forced to remain at anchor removes"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "carrying capacity and raises insurance"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "and transportation costs and makes every"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "future shipment more difficult. The"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "target is the reliability of the entire"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "network. So why was Russian oil passing"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "through the English Channel in the first"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "place? Because the answer reveals the"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "central weakness in Putin's sanctions"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "workaround. Russia escaped Europe's"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "markets only by sending its oil through"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "waterways controlled by these same"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "countries enforcing the sanctions. So"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "the shadow fleet cannot spoof geography."}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "Take a look at the smear tosses route."}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "It loaded up in the euros with crude at"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "one of Russia's largest oil terminals on"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "the Baltic Sea. Much of that oil begins"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "thousands of kilome inland in western"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "Siberia. and it travels west through"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "Russia's pipeline network and is finally"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "loaded onto tankers near St. Petersburg."}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "A tanker leaving here must cross the"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "Gulf of Finland, sail through the Baltic"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "Sea, and squeeze through the narrow"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "Danish straits before entering the North"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "Sea. From there, the shortest and"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "cheapest route toward the Mediterranean"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "and Asian markets runs directly through"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "the English Channel. Britain,"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "inconveniently for Russia, is located"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "next to the exit. That gives London"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "influence over one of the most important"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "arteries in Russia's posts sanctions oil"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "trade. It's not technically a blockade"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "because Britain is not trying to stop"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "every vessel or every form of Russian"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "commerce, but it is the beginning of"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "something that resembles a selective"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "maritime choke point, adding the English"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "Channel to the expanding list of"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "waterways where geopolitics has recently"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "made shipping much more exciting than"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "shipping companies would like. Before"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "the invasion of Ukraine, much of this"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "crude would have traveled relatively"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "short distances to European refineries."}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "Sanctions largely closed that nearby"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "market, forcing Russia to redirect its"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "oil thousands of miles further toward"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "buyers in Asia. By June 2026, China"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "accounted for roughly half of Russia's"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "crude exports, while India purchased"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "another 36%. So, the smear toss"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "officially listed Port Said in Egypt as"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "its destination. But ported isn't really"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "a final destination for tankers carrying"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "Russian oil. It's the entrance to the"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "Suez Canal. The maritime equivalent of"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "basically writing airport when someone"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "asks where you're going on vacation. Its"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "actual destination was reportedly in"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "India. Russia does have another"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "alternative route though around the"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "English Channel. Instead of entering"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "through the English Channel, the tanker"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "can turn north around Scotland, sail"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "west of Ireland, and then head south"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "towards Gibralar. But that adds another"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "roughly 500 nautical miles through the"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "rough North Atlantic. So Britain only"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "has to make the cheapest route dangerous"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "enough that every barrel becomes slower"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "and more expensive to deliver. And a"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "much more extreme alternative is"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "Russia's northern sea route across the"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "Arctic toward Asia. But this is"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "seasonal, ice dependent, and unsuitable"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "for much of the aging shadow fleet. So"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "how is the campaign against Russia's"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "shadow fleet expanding? The smear toss"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "was only one part of a much wider"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "campaign that appears to be coordinated"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "on some level. The fight against"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "sanctions busting vessels now stretches"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "from European waters into the Middle"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "East and the Caspian Sea. The United"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "States has gone even further using naval"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "guns and missiles against sanctioned"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:27", "text": "vessels leaving Iran, some of which are"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "connected to the same trade and"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "logistics networks supporting Russia."}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "What began as an effort to regulate oil"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "sales is increasingly becoming a"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "contested logistics war in which ships"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "carry fuel, weapons components, or"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "sanctioned cargo, and they're treated as"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "extensions of the enemy's military"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "supply system. The campaign's most"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "consequential front is inside a body of"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "water that Russia thought it had already"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "secured, the Sea of Is. It's where"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "Ukraine has turned a Russian controlled"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "waterway into a drone firing range. In"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "early July, Ukraine's unmanned systems"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "forces launched a campaign against ships"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "moving between Russian ports, occupied"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "Crimea, and the Kurt Strait. By July"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "14th, their commander claimed over 200"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "vessels had been struck in that month,"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "including tankers, dry cargo ships,"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "fies, and a tugboat. During one 72-hour"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "period, Ukrainian sources reported 19"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "tankers hit. Several caught fire. At"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "least one was abandoned by its crew, and"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "Russia acknowledged damage to two"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "vessels and injuries among their"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "sailors. Large tankers are extremely"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "difficult to sink with relatively small"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "aerial drone warheads. But sinking them"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "is not necessarily the point. A damaged"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "engine room or a frightened crew can"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "remove a ship from service almost as"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "effectively while leaving Russia with"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "the exciting administrative task of"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "towing a floating insurance claim"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "through a war zone. The campaign forced"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "Russia to suspend shipping through the"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "Dawn Azav Canal and forced them to start"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "preparing alternative routes. The"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "corridor connects the Sea of Azia's"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "river system and ultimately the Caspian"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "Sea. It carries fuel to Crimea and moves"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "Russian oil, grain, and steel toward"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "international markets. Ukraine is making"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "the route unreliable. Russia still has"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "ships. What it's losing is confidence"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "that those ships can complete the"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "journey. Ukraine first openly took the"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "tanker war beyond the Black Sea in"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "December 2025 when its drones struck off"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "the coast of Libya, but unexplained"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "explosions had already begun hitting"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "Russian link ships as far as way as"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "Sagal, suggesting that the shadow fleet"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "may have become a global battlefield"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "before Keev officially admitted it. So,"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "how has Putin retaliated? So far, one of"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "Moscow's aids put out a warning that"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "they would start escorting oil tankers"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "with warships if this continues. Moscow"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "has increased attacks on ships entering"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "Ukraine's ports. Russia has increased"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "short notice live fire drills near the"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "UK as a form of pressure. Russia still"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "has some options here. They're building"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "a new reserve shadow tanker fleet."}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "Russia continues to purchase additional"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "aging oil tankers to replace their"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "losses. They're repairing damaged ones"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "that can be and they're putting them"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "back into service. Some of the burned"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "out husks are used as barges that"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "tugboats pull around. Take a second to"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "think about all of that though and how"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "this has escalated. It's gone so slowly"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "that we don't even notice it anymore"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "creeping up on us. How many lines each"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "side has crossed. Four years ago,"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "countries argued about whether to send"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "helmets to Ukraine. Now they're fast"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "roping onto Russian decks. How much has"}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "this campaign managed to set Russia's"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "economy or war effort back? There is no"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "known answer to this. So, we're going to"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "try to work backwards a little here. But"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "in June 2026, Russia exported 14% more"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "crude by volume than in May. But its"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "crude exports, its revenue fell by 8%."}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "India simultaneously imported a record"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "amount of Russian crude. But that means"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "that the campaign has contributed to"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "Russia earning less from each barrel"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "that it moves. But attacking the shadow"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "fleet has not forced Russia to spend"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "less on its military. Those numbers are"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "at a record high. Instead, it's forcing"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "the Kremlin to protect defense spending"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "by shifting the cost onto the rest of"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "the economy. When oil revenue falls,"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "Moscow raises taxes. They borrow more"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "and they cut civilian investment. It"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "means weaker public services, more"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "expensive credit, and less money for"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "everything not connected to the war. So,"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "what that means is sanctions have been"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "more successful at degrading the"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "profitability of Russian oil than"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "eliminating the trade itself. And"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "possibly the most telling data that I"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "could find is that approximately 125"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "million barrels of oil have accumulated"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "abroad tankers at sea as buyers, banks,"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "and ports become reluctant to handle the"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "cargo or to even let it chip. Putin"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "built this shadow fleet to escape"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "Western pressure. Now the pressure is"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:23", "text": "following it out to sea. But is this"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "economic war against Russia actually"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "working? But whether that's actually"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:29", "text": "hurting Russia enough to end the war is"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "harder to answer. Turns out national"}, {"start": "00:39:29", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "economies don't come with a health bar."}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "Here's what the experts have to say"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "because there are different theories."}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "And over the past four years, the end of"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "the Russian economy, the collapse of the"}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "Russian economy has been predicted many"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "times and it's not come to pass. Maurice"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "Scholaric from the Kill Institute in his"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "June 2026 report literally titled"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "Endgame Russia's war economy hits its"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "limits. In it, Chelaric argues that"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "Russia has been more resilient than"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "expected earlier in the war, but that"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "now the buffers are depleted. The report"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "found that Russia blew through its"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "planned fullear budget deficit in the"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "first 3 months of 2026 alone, and that"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "oil and gas revenues were down 45%"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "compared to year-over-year. Ke describes"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "the economy as showing structural"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "exhaustion, which is a term that I keep"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "hearing over the years, and I'm assuming"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "it's what happens when an economy needs"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "to take a nap. But Andre Klepic until"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "last week the chief economist of"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "Russia's own state development bank"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "said economically we will not collapse"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "but our lag will continue to grow. He"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "also warned that Russia would not win a"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "long economic war of attrition and that"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "our costs are mounting he said. So"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "Russia's development bank then of course"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "subsequently fired him and it's"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "questionable how long he is for this"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "world now. But that's coming from"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "someone who isn't at a Ukrainian think"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "tank. He's a Russian economy ministry"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "official who spent 12 years as Russia's"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:56", "text": "VEB chief economist. Nothing improves"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "the numbers like firing the guy reading"}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "them. The Bank of Finland is more"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "conservative with their estimate of"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "Russia's economy, though, saying it"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "doesn't forecast collapse at all. Its"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "baseline was roughly 1% of Russian GDP"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "growth in 2026. So, according to the"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "experts, the answer is more complicated"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "than just saying Russia's economy is"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "collapsing. So far, Russian oil still"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "continues to reach their buyers. Wild"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "Berry's warehouses are still delivering"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "some packages, and the Russian factories"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "are still pumping out weapons while the"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "Kremlin still manages to spend record"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "amounts on the military and defense. But"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "look at what Russia increasingly has to"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "do just to maintain that. And"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "importantly, the objective here doesn't"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "necessarily have to be about making the"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "entire machine stop. Because either way,"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "it still forces Russia to devote more"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "money, more resources, more ships, more"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "air defense, and more government"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "subsidies and more of its civilian"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "economy just to keep their war effort"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "running. Putin has spent years trying to"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "shield ordinary Russians from the cost"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "of this war. But the campaign against"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "Russia's economy is impossible for"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "people in Moscow to ignore. And so the"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "real question going forward from here, I"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "think, is how much of the rest of Russia"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "eventually has to be sacrificed to keep"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "the war going? And how might Russia"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "retaliate for these attacks on their"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "economy? If you found this video"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:17", "text": "valuable though, you can learn more by"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "checking out this episode about how"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "North Korea is throwing 50,000 more"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "troops at the war in Ukraine for Putin."}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "Check out our audio only version of the"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "show on Apple Podcast where we have"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "exclusive interviews. The link in the"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "description. I'm Chris Cappy. I'll see"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "you in the next transmission."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "There is an ancient Jewish teaching from"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "the Talmud that says, \"If someone comes"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "to kill you, rise and kill him first.\""}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "Israeli intelligence chiefs and"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "political leaders have all invoked the"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "phrase for decades when defending a"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "campaign of targeted killings against"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "those they see as imminent threats."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "Since October 7th, that principle has"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "now been playing out on a"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "never-before-seen scale. MSAD. Israel's"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "foreign intelligence service is hunting"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "senior enemies across borders in what"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "has become the most aggressive targeted"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "killing campaign in all of history."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "Israel's enemies keep dying in very"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "strange and mysterious ways. And often"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "MSAD denies any involvement which raises"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "the question, are there other groups"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "involved? Today I want to look at how"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "MSADs managed to penetrate some of the"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "world's most dangerous terrorist"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "organizations. What blowback they face"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "from it and if these missions actually"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "work or if they just promote the next in"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "line. I'm Chris Cappy, former"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "infantrymen and war correspondent. Fire"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "around at the subscribe button and let's"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "find out. Trying to kill a ghost is"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "impossible. And that's why for more than"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "40 years, Fahud Shakur lived like one."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "He was wanted by the United States"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "government for helping plan the 1983"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "bombing of the Marine barracks in"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "Beirut, which killed 241 Americans. And"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "so, America had designated him a"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "terrorist, and offered $5 million reward"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "for any information leading to him."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Because of this, Shakar never appeared"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "in public. He avoided cameras, used a"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "fake name, and became so secretive that"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "even news outlets would use the wrong"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "photo of him when talking about him."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "Shakur was one of Hezbollah's most"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "important military figures from its"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "founding generation. He played a major"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "part in developing their long range"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "rocket and drone capabilities. On July"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "27th, 2024, a rocket struck a soccer"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "field in Israel, killing 12 children and"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "teenagers. Israel blamed Hezbollah and"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "identified Shakur as the commander who"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "ordered the attack. Hezbollah denied"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "involvement, but three days later,"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "Israel came for him. Shakur was working"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "from the second floor of a residential"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "building in Beirut's Hezbollah"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "controlled southern suburbs when he"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "received a telephone call instructing"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "him to walk upstairs to his seventh"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "floor apartment. Minutes later, Israeli"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "munitions tore through the building. An"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "anonymous Hezbollah official suggested"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "that the caller had penetrated the"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "group's internal communications."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "Although Hezbollah publicly denied this"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "account, either Israeli intelligence"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "officers impersonated a trusted"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Hezbollah official, an Israeli agent"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "inside of Hezbollah made the call or a"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "legitimate Hezbollah member unknowingly"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "relayed false information supplied by"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "Israeli intelligence. Whatever really"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "happened, after four decades of hiding,"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "the ghost had apparently been summoned"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "to his own assassination. And the larger"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "message was only beginning to emerge."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "Hours later, something shocking was"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "about to happen. This time to another"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "senior enemy of Israel, who was"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "preparing to spend the night more than a"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "thousand miles away. But by this point,"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "Israel was pursuing something much"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "bigger than revenge against the men"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "responsible for October 7th. The"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "strategic goal here was to dismantle the"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "leadership and command structure that"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "allowed Hamas and increasingly the wider"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "Iranianbacked network around it to"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "threaten Israel in the first place. At"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "the same time, Israel was trying to"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "restore something that had been badly"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "damaged by the October 7th attacks,"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "deterrence. For decades, its security"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "strategy depended partly on convincing"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "its enemies that attacking Israel would"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "bring consequences far beyond the"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "immediate battlefield. This is what"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "allowed them to keep a relatively low"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "amount of active duty troops. Now,"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "Israel was trying to demonstrate that"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "there was effectively no sanctuary. And"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "as the next part will demonstrate,"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "apparently neither was Tran. Ismael"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Hinea had arrived in Tyrron for the"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "inauguration of Iran's newly elected"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "president. As the head of Hamas"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "political bureau, Hineia had spent much"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "of the war outside Gaza, traveling"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "between Qatar, Turkey, and Iran,"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "representing Hamas abroad and"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "participating in negotiations over a"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "ceasefire and the release of Israeli"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "hostages. On July 30th, he was"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "photographed smiling and shaking hands"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "with Iran's most powerful officials."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "Thrron was supposed to be one of the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "safest places in the world for him,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "which in hindsight turned out to be a"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "pretty aggressive interpretation of the"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "word safe. That night, Hineia returned"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "to a government guest house in northern"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "Thyron. It was a secure compound used to"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "accommodate senior officials and"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "visiting dignitaries. But according to"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "reporting later published by the New"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "York Times and confirmed by Axios,"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "Israeli intelligence, MSAD officers had"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "already identified the exact building"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "that Hineia used during his visits. And"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "even more creepy, they knew the exact"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "bedroom where he normally slept. An"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "explosive device had been concealed"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "inside the room in advance, just waiting"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "for him. MSAD operatives laying in wait,"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "watching until intelligence confirmed"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "that Hineia was indeed inside. Then at"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "approximately 2 in the morning on July"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "31st, the device exploded. Msad had"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "handled the room service. Hineia and his"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "bodyguard were killed inside the"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "compound by the explosion. The blast"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "tore through his room, but most of the"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "surrounding building remained standing."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "Iran disputed the planted bomb account."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "The Revolutionary Guard claimed that he"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "had been hit by a short-range"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "projectile, either a drone or a missile,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "that had been launched by a MSAD"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "operative on the ground within eyesight."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "MSAD would have reason to lie to protect"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "their methods and sources. But either"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "way, it represents a catastrophic"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "security failure for both Hamas and"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "Iran. Someone had penetrated one of the"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "most secure IRGC compounds. It sent"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "shock waves through Iran's leadership."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "And so in the space of just a few hours,"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "multiple levels of Hezbollah and Hamas"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "leadership had been assassinated. After"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "October 7th, distance borders, armed"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "guards no longer guaranteed that"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "Israel's enemies were safe. Geography,"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "as it turned out, was becoming a very"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "unreliable bodyguard. Paranoia set in"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "that MSAD had infiltrated their very"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "institutions. Hezbollah started seeing"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "MSAD in their Cheerios. The important"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "thing was that Israel was now"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "demonstrating that it had penetrated the"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "very systems designed to keep these"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "targets alive. And that capability was"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "about to be used on a much larger scale."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "As you'll see, I spoke with former CIA"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "operations officer Mike Baker to gain"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "insight into how MSAD's missions work."}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> Mossad, look, they these guys, I'm just"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "talking from an operational perspective,"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "they they know what they're doing. They"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "also are surrounded by enemies, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "That's why Iran built this proxy"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "network, a ring of them around with all"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "with the same objective, which is to"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "destroy Israel. And they've used their"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "source network, which they've spent"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "years and years and years building to"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "put together this target list. And then"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "they methodically work through the"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "target list. The man behind this entire"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "wet work campaign, this targeted killing"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "campaign was David Barnea, the former"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "director of MSAD and one of the central"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "architects of Israel's post October 7th"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "attack assassination campaign. Barna"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "served in an elite commando unit before"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "studying business in the United States."}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "He joined MSAD in 96 as a case officer."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "He eventually rose to the Tasman, the"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "division responsible for recruiting and"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "running human sources overseas before"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "taking control of the entire"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "organization in 2021. But we'll see how"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "that previous experience of running"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "human is very important. At first, the"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "hunt was confined largely to Gaza. Then"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "Barna expanded the operation. They"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "discovered Hamas is only one layer to a"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "much larger Iranian network. After the"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "October 7th terror attacks that killed"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "some 1,200 people in Israel, mostly"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "civilians, the chief of Israeli MSAD"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "intelligence vowed that his agency would"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "quote hunt down every Hamas member"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "involved in the terror attack, no matter"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "where they are. Msad, as it turned out,"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "took the word every pretty literally. He"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "compared the targeted killing campaign"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "to Israel's decadesl long operation to"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "find those who were responsible for the"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "1972 Munich massacre. He was tasked with"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "finding Hamas leadership wherever they"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "hid. And that comparison to Munich"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "wasn't accidental. The idea of hunting"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "enemies across borders in Israel goes"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "almost back to the creation of Israel"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "itself. After World War II, Israeli"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "intelligence started tracking Nazi war"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "criminals who had disappeared into"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "Europe and South America. In the 1960s,"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "MSAD found Adolf Ikeman, the architect"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "of the Holocaust deportation system,"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "living under an assumed name in"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "Argentina. So, MSAD agents grabbed him"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "off the street, secretly flew him to"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "Israel for a trial, and 5 years later,"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "MSAD went a step further, and agents"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "lured alleged Nazi war criminal Herbert"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "Cuckers to South America and killed him."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "So decades before Hamas or Hezbollah"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "even existed, Israel was already"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "developing a reputation for having an"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "extremely long memory and an unusually"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "flexible definition of too far away. No"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "plot was too complicated and no place"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "out of reach when it comes to Israel's"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "enemies, as we'll see in this next"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "Oceans 11 style hit that was caught"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "almost entirely on camera and then"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "released to the public in this footage"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "you're watching now, which is very"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "strange because usually intelligence"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "agencies go to great lengths to make"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "sure no one knows what their agents look"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "like on camera. In January 2010,"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "Muhammad al- Mabua stepped off a plane"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "in Dubai and checked into a five-star"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "hotel under an assumed fake name. He was"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "a senior Hamas commander who was wanted"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "by Israel for decades. So, traveling"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "quietly was naturally part of the job."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "But what he didn't know was that a small"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "clandestine army of over 26 other"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "travelers had just arrived there too and"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "were already looking for him. More than"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "two dozen people flew in from around the"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "world. Rome, Paris, Zurich. Men and"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "women who checked into separate hotels"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "and at first glance looked like they had"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "absolutely nothing to do with one"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "another. Some look like businessmen,"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "others look like tourists. A few even"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "changed into tennis clothing and"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "wandered around carrying rackets because"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "apparently international espionage"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "occasionally requires a convincing"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "backhand. Then the camera started"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "catching something strange. These"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "travelers were recorded putting on"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "disguises, switching clothes, and moving"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "through the hotel in strangely"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "coordinated ways. Collectively started"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "looking like a MSAD corporate retreat."}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "Two of the visitors followed Mob Hulu"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "into an elevator and watched which floor"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "he selected. Another member of the group"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "then booked a hotel room directly across"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "the hallway from him. Others moved"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "around the lobby keeping watch and"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "tracking his movements. Then that"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "afternoon, Mabhua left his room. Then"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "the undercover team made their move."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "Several operatives entered his room and"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "waited inside. Around 8:30 that night,"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "Mob Hua returned. And what happened over"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "the next several minutes wasn't captured"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "on camera, but Mob Hua never came back"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "alive. Investigators later concluded"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "that he'd been given a powerful medical"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "muscle relaxant that paralyzed and then"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "suffocated him. The assassination team"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "then left the room and began"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "disappearing almost immediately, taking"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "flights, departing for Europe, Asia, and"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "Africa. And within just hours, nearly"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "everyone involved in the hit was already"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "outside the United Arab Emirates. Dubai"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "eventually identified 26 suspected"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "members of the assassination team and"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "publicly accused Israel's MSAD of"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "carrying out the operation. Israel"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "neither confirmed nor denied"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "responsibility, but officials suggested"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "that MSAD had been set up and framed to"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "take the blame. But seven of the foreign"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "national identities were stolen from"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Israelis with dual citizenship, which"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "strongly suggests who done it. But there"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "was a problem with this type of giant"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "operation. They left behind something"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "intelligence agencies try very hard not"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "to produce. A featurelength CCT"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "documentary showing how they disguised"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "their surveillance methods,"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "coordination, tactics, and trade craft."}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "Up to this point, most of these"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "operatives still ended up with a bomb or"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "a bullet finding one guy. What comes"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "next, though, was completely different"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "in almost all of military history. These"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "assassination attacks are brazen and"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "they seem to disregard all previously"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "held notions of what was possible or"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "even acceptable in targeted killings."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "But here another line would be crossed"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "because even in war there are unwritten"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "rules between roaring sides that what's"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "considered acceptable and what's out of"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "bounds. But all of those rules are about"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "to be torn apart as we'll see. For years"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "Hezbollah had a major operational"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "problem. Their cell phones were"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "convenient to communicate, but they were"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "also tiny electronic snitches. Israel"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "had become extremely good at tracking"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "and intercepting those communications"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "and cell phones. They used signals to"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "locate Hezbollah operatives and then"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "they sent an air strike straight to"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "location. No hesitation. So Hezbollah"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "eventually went looking for something"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "dumbed down to work with. The answer was"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "technology straight out of 1997. They"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "used old pagers. These had no apps, no"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "GPS, no constant doom scrolling through"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "an Instagram feed. So Hezbollah knew the"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "devices would make its communications"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "harder for Israeli intelligence to"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "monitor. Now, you might know what"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "happened already, but you probably don't"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "know the full story of how it happened"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "because it wasn't revealed until very"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "recently. MSAD had gotten to Hezbollah's"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "pages first in what would become one of"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "the most elaborate targeted killing"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "campaigns in history. According to"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "former MSAD officers who were"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "interviewed by 60 Minutes later on,"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "these officers had learned in 2022 that"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "Hezbollah was buying pagers from a"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Taiwanese company called Gold Apollo."}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "Putting the single surviving Radio Shack"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "somewhere out there in the world back in"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "business. MSAD decided to become"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "Hezbollah's supplier. They created shell"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "companies that concealed any connection"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "to Israel. One of those companies"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "operated through Hungary. While MSAD"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "obtained the ability to sell a"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "specifically designed pager under the"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "legitimate Gold Apollo brand, Gold"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "Apollo later said that it had licensed"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "its trademark to another company and had"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "no knowledge of the operation. Reuters"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "independently found that the suspicious"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "model had been given an elaborate"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "commercial history online, even though"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "the product essentially appeared out of"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "nowhere because MSAD knew that Hezbollah"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "wasn't stupid. So, someone built the"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "pager an entire online life. Fake online"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "stores appeared selling it. Promotional"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "videos advertised its supposedly"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "excellent battery life. They essentially"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "created a legend for an electronic"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "device. The same technique that"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "intelligence agencies normally use to"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "construct faked identities for spies."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "How MSAD implemented the explosives was"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "through purpose-built fake battery"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "labeled the LIBT783"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "that looked extremely like an ordinary"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "rechargeable lithium ion battery pack."}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "However, inside a thin layer was 6 g of"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "plastic explosives that was concealed"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "between the battery cells along with a"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "specifically designated initiating"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "component to basically set it off."}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "Hezbollah operatives even ran the pagers"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "through an X-ray looking for anything"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "suspicious but saw nothing. According to"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "the former MSAD officer who was"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "interviewed by CBS, Israel recruited the"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "same gold Apollo saleswoman that"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "Hezbollah was already used to dealing"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "with. She had no idea she was working"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "for MSAD. She approached Hezbollah with"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "an offer to upgrade its pagers. Two"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "years after the start of the operation,"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "by September 2024, they had about 5,000s"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "of these new upgraded pagers that had"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "worked their way throughout Hezbollah's"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "organization. They had agreed to"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "upgrading their pagers. Then at roughly"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "3:30 in the afternoon on September 17th,"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "2024, pagers began beeping all across"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "Lebanon and parts of Syria. The actual"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "detonation came in two steps. The first"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "happened when users pressed the two"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "buttons simultaneously required to"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "unlock the pager, typically while"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "holding it with both hands. The attack"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "was especially horrific due to one key"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "detail. MSAD chose to operate and do"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "this operation on a bright sunny day."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "So, most of these Hezbollah operatives"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "had to bring the pager close up to their"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "face in order to see the message on the"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "tiny LCD screen. the most cursed case of"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "not a bug but a feature. This resulted"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "in a dramatic surge of blindness in"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "Lebanon as hundreds of Hezbollah"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "operatives held the pagers up to their"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "face. Then thousands of them exploded."}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "The blasts erupted in homes, stores,"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "streets, and vehicles almost"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "simultaneously, instantly overwhelming"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "hospitals across Lebanon and preventing"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "them from even anticipating what was"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "happening. Some people required"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "amputation of both or one hand. All of"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "it was caught on security camera footage"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "that became viral videos seeing the"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "explosions happen across the city."}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "Although we probably can't show that"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "graphic footage here. The following day"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "though, September 18th, while funerals"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "were being held, another wave of blast"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "started. That's right, it wasn't over"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "yet. This time, walkie-talkies and other"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "communications equipment started"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "exploding. Devices Hezbollah had turned"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "to precisely to avoid pagers. Across the"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "two days, about 4,000 people were"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "injured. Another 42 were killed."}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "Tragically, a number of civilians were"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "also killed. Once again, the"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "walkie-talkie attack began long before"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "the kinetic results. It stretched back,"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "this time to 2014, and two former MSAD"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "agents spoke to CBS about how exactly it"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "all went down. So, these officers"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "managed to convince Hezbollah to buy"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "walkie-talkies directly from msad shell"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "companies itself. And each walkietalkie"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "was laced with explosives built directly"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "into the battery. So for 10 years, the"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "walkie-talkies behaved normally, earning"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "the full trust of Hezbollah's terror"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "network. Then a day after the pager"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "attacks, a new signal was broadcast in"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "Lebanon, and hundreds of surviving"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "walkie-talkies exploded in unison. At"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "least 20 more people were killed and"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "nearly 500 injured in the resulting"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "explosions. The two back-to-back attacks"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "were widely criticized and praised"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "alike. Some within the UN called the"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "attack a violation of international law,"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "while others pointed out the extreme"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "precision of the attack. Hezbollah is a"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "globally designated terror organization,"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "making strikes against it legal. And"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "some have argued that by targeting"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "walkie-talkies and pager owners owned by"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "Hezbollah operatives, the attacks were"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "just as, if not more, precise than the"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "use of some kind of guided bomb. In"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "either case, the civilian casualties"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "were tragic, though. Two stunning"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "revelations would emerge in the wake of"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "the attack, though. The first is that"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "Hungary, under Putin ally Victor Orban,"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "had offered to aid Iran in the"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "investigation of these pagers. So, the"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "Washington Post confirmed the move via a"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "leaked Hungarian government transcript"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "detailing how Hungarian intelligence had"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "offered full cooperation investigating"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "the pager plot that was orchestrated"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "from shell companies based in their own"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "country. So, the revelation drew intense"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "criticism due to Hungary's status as a"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "NATO member, Iran's belligerance, and"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "Hezbollah's designation as a terror"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "organization. They were basically"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "helping the other team out. But as a"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "close ally of Putin, Orban was likely"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "ordered to cooperate in order to"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "strengthen Russian Iranian bonds."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "Although we don't know for sure, the"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "assassination campaign was also hellbent"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "on causing a psychological impact"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "because after seeing videos of the"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "attack, the 40-year leader of Hezbollah"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "was apparently broken by it. Some said"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "that he was no longer the same Hassan"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "Nzalla. According to an unnamed"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "associate, Nzala stopped eating for 24"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "hours, only drinking water. The lack of"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "eating would persist long after the"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "initial shock wore off, though, with it"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "prompting physical problems. Narrala was"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "apparently more horrified by the depth"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "of penetration into Hezbollah that MSAD"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "has achieved than some of the"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "casualties. This psychological effect"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "was exactly the goal of the Israeli"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "operation. For weeks after the group"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "would be unable to coordinate at a scale"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "due to fear of sabotage. What other"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "everyday object could be secretly"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "holding a small charge of plastic"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "explosives? Was the microwave safe?"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:47", "text": ">> Israel, Shinbet, Mossad, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "the IDF, they they they've got this one"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "problem, right? For the most part,"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "they've sort of singularly focused,"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "right? From an intel community in the"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "US, we've got lots of different tasks,"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "right? a lot of different concerns. So,"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "we're all over the map. Technology has"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "certainly helped them. You know,"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "everything from facial recognition,"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "which has been remarkable. But"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "ultimately, how effective was killing"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "their entire senior military and"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "political command? When Israel would"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "later in 2026 invade into southern"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "Lebanon to push Hezbollah back, they"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "faced a force that had upgraded and"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "armed themselves with new FPV drones. By"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "late 2026, Reuters noted that the"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "Lebanese army was dismantling Hezbollah"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "weapon sites in southern Lebanon on a"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "scale that would have almost been"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "unimaginable when Hezbollah was at full"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "strength. While not destroyed, Hezbollah"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "had been significantly weakened. But"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "operations like the pager plot take"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "years to build, and MSAD can't create a"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "fake electronic supply chain every"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "Tuesday. For most targets, Israel relies"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "on something much faster, simpler, and"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "considerably more old school. It's their"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "reoccurring signature or MMO. For years,"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "the United States had been searching for"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "a man named Abu Muhammad Al- Masari, one"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "of al-Qaeda's founding members, and the"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "man responsible for the 1998 truck"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "bombing of the American embassies in"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "Kenya and Tanzania that killed over 200"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "people. By 2020, intelligence officials"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "considered him al-Qaeda's number two"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "man. Intelligence officials said that he"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "was eventually living quietly in an"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "upscale neighborhood of the Iranian"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "capital under another identity. But"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "there was a problem. How do you get"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "American operatives into Iran to kill"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "him? The United States turned to Israel."}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "Reportedly, MSAD has spent years"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "recruiting people in Iran and sending"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "operatives undercover identities. And so"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "on October 7th, 2020, exactly 22 years"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "after the embassy bombings, Al-Masari"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "was driving through Tyrron with his"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "daughter Mariam herself, the widow of"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "Osama bin Laden's son. Two men"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "approached on a motorcycle. They pulled"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "off alongside the vehicle, fired"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "repeatedly with a suppressed handgun,"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "and then disappeared. Al-Masari and his"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "daughter were killed. Iranian media"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "reported that the murdered man was a"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "Lebanese history professor, which was"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "Al-Misari's covert identity there. See,"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "the Iranian government was protecting"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "him because of a prisoner swap that they"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "had done. But it also leads to questions"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "of who had him killed. Was it Israel?"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "Was it Iran? Because Iran doesn't like"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "al-Qaeda either, or was it the United"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "States who wanted revenge? There are"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "over eight documented cases of MSAD"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "using this technique, though. In one"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "case, going as far away as shooting down"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "a Hamas member in Koala Lumpur. For a"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "few years, being an Iranian nuclear"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "scientist stuck in Thran traffic and"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "seeing two guys pull up on a motorcycle"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "alongside your car was a good enough"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "reason to run the next red light. But"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "the other signature move that Israel"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "uses is maybe the most controversial."}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "This method has caused a lot of"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "blowback. Just 10 days after the October"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "7th attack on Israel, MSAD sets their"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "eyes on Iman Nofl, a key member of Hamas"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "General Military Council. Ironically,"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "the man who was appointed to head"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "Hamas's use of drones in air operations"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "is himself killed in an air strike"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "facilitated by an Israeli drone. Drone"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "and air strikes have become the"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "signature method of assassinations when"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "MSAD cannot reach out on the ground."}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "Despite firing small warheads, the"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "collateral damage is often huge. The"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "reason for this problem is partly"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "because Gaza as a combat environment is"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "tiny. Just 25 mi long by 7 and a half"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "miles wide. It's one of the most densely"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "populated places on Earth with over 2"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "million people calling it home. Gaza is"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "an urban combat nightmare and an"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "intelligence gathering conundrum with"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "hundreds of thousands of electronic"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "satellite and cell communications"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "happening simultaneously at any one"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "time. In order to sift through the"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "noise, the Israeli government started"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "secretly deploying AI tools that they"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "developed years ago. MSAD decided to"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "give a green light for deployment of"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "this controversial tool and its"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "capability of sifting through gargantuan"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "amounts of data in real time and"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "identifying individuals who are lost in"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "the noise. They basically comb through"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "tons of traffic cameras and they've"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "hacked into all of these different"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "camera systems to look for these"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "individuals. And one of those"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "individuals is Ibraham Bahi. He's a"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "planner of the October 7th attack and a"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "high priority target for Israeli forces."}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "He was the commander of the battalion"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "that led the assault on October 7th. So"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "Bari is immediately targeted for early"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "retirement. The strikes target him as he"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "hides out in a refugee camp. The"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "explosion from the air strike resulted"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "in a large number of civilian"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "casualties. But the exact total of"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "civilian casualties remains hard to"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "verify because of two key problems. a"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "lack of independent non-Hamas casualty"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "reporting and the choice by Hamas to"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "dress their fighters in civilian"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "clothing. The collateral damage from"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "this new targeted strike campaign begins"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "to become a major international problem"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "for Israel. Inside Israel, some have"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "warned against turning the phrase rise"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "and kill first into a kind of slogan."}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "Former IDF Chief of Staff Eisenaut said"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "that the military quote cannot speak in"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "slogans like that, arguing that soldiers"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "have to instead follow and use rules of"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "engagement, judgment, and proportional"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "force instead. In other words,"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "preeemption is a principle, not"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "permission to shoot first in every"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "situation. Eisen not was saying slogans"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "like that can flatten complicated"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "decisions into essentially a bumper"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "sticker. It can crowd out nuance and"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "civilian harm. But this is just the"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "start of dismantling Hamas's leadership."}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "Over the course of November, Israeli air"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "strikes successfully target and killed"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "the commander of the Northern Gaza"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "Brigade, the commander of Hamas rocket"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "launch operations, and a plethora of"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "other battlefield commanders. Israel has"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "an enormous undercover operations inside"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "these terror networks that track down"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "the location of senior leadership. The"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "target list was fast expanding. Israel"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "was moving from climbing up the proxy"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "leadership ladder to climbing the"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "network toward the country financing and"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "arming them. That meant every successful"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "assassination was also bringing Israel"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "closer to a direct confrontation with"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "Iran. But what happens next though is"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "unprecedented and makes the entire world"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "hold its breath in anticipation of World"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "War Middle East. This targeted"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "assassination campaign continues to"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "escalate just when you think every"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "geopolitical boundary and norm has been"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "crossed. Because on Christmas Day,"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "December 25th, 2023, Sed Razi Masavi, a"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "senior Iranian commander responsible for"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "overseeing Iran's support for its"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "terrorist proxy networks in Syria and"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "Lebanon, has been a very bad boy that"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "year. As a high-ranking member of the"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "IRGC, he's generally considered"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "untouchable. Threatening him could open"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "the doors to allout war between Israel,"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "the United States, and Iran. I I know."}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "Who could imagine such a thing ever"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "happening? But as he's meeting with his"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "contacts at a farmhouse outside"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "Damascus, the capital of Syria, someone"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "delivers a 500 lb JDAM bomb instead of"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "coal for his stocking. The killing sends"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "shock waves through the region. Everyone"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "knows that Iran has long supported"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "Hamas, but a firm link between Iran and"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "the October 7th attacks has yet to be"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "firmly established even to today."}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "However, on page 18 of the 2024 annual"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "threat assessment presented by the"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "United States intelligence community, it"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "states that in their belief, Iran is"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "exploiting the Gaza war for its own"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "benefit. quote, \"Iran will seek to use"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "Gaza conflict to denounce Israel, decry"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "its role in the region, and try to"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "dissuade other Middle Eastern states"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "from warming ties with Israel while"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "trumpeting Iran's own role as the"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "champion of the Palestinian cause.\" End"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "quote. For the Pariah nation,"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "normalization of relations between"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "Israel and the rest of the Middle East"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "is a doomsday scenario. Not only is it"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "so much the Ayatollah's internal"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "credibility based upon a pledge to"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "destroy Israel, but to this day,"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "regional divisiveness over Israel is the"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "only thing that prevents the Middle East"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "from banding together to completely"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "alienate Iran in its own backyard. Iran"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "is basically the most unpopular kid in"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "school, and everyone hates them. But as"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "long as Israel's also unpopular, the"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "rest of the school won't gang up on"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "them, tease them, and call them Chris"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "Crappy all the time. Iran longs for the"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "old days of the Arab League when every"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "10 years or so, the entire region"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "practice its favorite hobby of declaring"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "war on Israel, and they appear to be"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "making some headway. Israel's war in"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "Gaza, which had caused tens of thousands"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "of civilian deaths, has made them"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "unpopular in world opinion. But in order"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "for Iran to get back to the good old"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "days and restore Iranian regional"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "influence as well as buy itself some"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "breathing room, Iran really needs"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "countries to stop normalizing relations"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "with Israel. And so while no direct"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "links exist between Iran and the October"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "7th attacks outside of known material"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "and financial support for Hamas, it's"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "incredibly unlikely that Thrron didn't"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "know it was coming. This despite some"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "intelligence showing that at least some"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "members of the Iranian government were"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "surprised by the attacks. But this is"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "not proof of innocence of Iran though."}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "It's only proof of what we've seen to be"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "true, which is that Iran's government is"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "riddled with US and Israeli double"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "agents. The killing in Damascus, Syria,"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "though sparked threats and protests from"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "Iran, but thankfully no outright war"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "yet. But the problem was the more"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "high-level Hamas leadership that MSAD"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "killed, the more replacements instantly"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "filled their space. That's the"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "fundamental problem with assassination"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "campaigns. Killing the man is much"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "easier than killing the organization."}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "Every name crossed off the list created"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "an empty chair, and somebody with a"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "misplaced sense of confidence was"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "usually waiting to sit in it. Sometimes"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "it's unclear who was behind the attacks."}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "On January 20th, in an incredible feat"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "of raw mathematical probability, a"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "1,000lb JDAM falls from the sky over"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "Damascus, falling onto the heads of a"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "group of senior IRGC cuds force"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "commanders. Israel denies responsibility"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "for killing the three Iranian advisers."}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "Suspicion though falls on Israel, but"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "the truth is the United States was just"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "as motivated to carry out the strike. In"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "2023, Amizida was directly identified by"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "US intelligence as being responsible for"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "attempting to target American ground"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "troops. There was a Washington Post"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "investigation into the famous Discord"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "leaks that showed that US intelligence"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "had assessed Iran was preparing to"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "widely target American troops with a new"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "type of IED and that this man was"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "responsible for shaping these attacks"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "and ordering reconnaissance of US"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "patrols and supply routes. Israel, the"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "US, or someone else. The mystery remains"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "unsolved. But one of the biggest"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "problems of MSAD's assassination"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "campaign is their targets hide in"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "tunnels with anywhere from around 450 mi"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "as claimed by the IDF of tunnels with"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "around 450 m of tunnels as claimed by"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "the IDF engineers and about 5,700"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "entrance shafts. Targeting a man named"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "Isa would be like finding a needle in a"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "hay stack that could be anywhere inside"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "a zone that contains 3.2 tunnels per"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "square mile of surface area. That's"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "insane. That's literally more square"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "miles of tunnels than of surface. And"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "they're probably lousy with freaking"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "reptilians. Israel hunts down Marwan Isa"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "to these tunnels, a suspected mastermind"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "behind the October 7th attacks and is"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "the deputy commander of Hamas military"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "wing. No details are provided of how"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "Issa was targeted, let alone discovered,"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "but the strike could have been carried"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "out at a point where the tunnel that he"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "occupied ran close to the surface. In"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "these attacks, it's common to double tap"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "a target with the first bomb softening"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "the soil and the second delivering"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "catastrophic kinetic energy that"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "collapses tunnel support. It's also"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "possible Israel struck deep and used a"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "stockpile of Blue 109's, a 2,000lb bomb"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "with a hardened penetrator. Its warhead"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "designed specifically to destroy these"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "tunnels. Sometimes the operation led to"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "intense diplomatic backlash against"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "Israel, like what happened on the April"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "1st, 2024 strike. So, diplomatic"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "compounds are known for being a kind of"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "acknowledged safe space. You can't touch"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "me here. Embassies around the world are"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "pre-aggreed to as safe zones where"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "everyone agrees to put away the"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "violence. However, on April Fool's Day,"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "that didn't apply. The Iranian Cuds"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "Force commander responsible for"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "overseeing Syria and Lebanon was at a"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "meeting in the Iranian consulate in"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "Syria. There's some disagreement over"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "whether this was a diplomatic compound"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "or not, but F-35s hit the compound in"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "the capital of Damascus, likely because"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "of the sensitive location here. Israel"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "never confirmed or took credit and never"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "said that they were responsible for the"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "hit. Could have plausibly been America,"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "but Iran condemned it as a war crime."}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "And technically, the attack would"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "constitute a war crime as embassies are"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "civilian targets protected by"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "international law of armed conflict."}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "However, because of their support for"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "global terrorism, Cuds force is"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "considered a terrorist organization by"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "the United States and several other"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "countries that label the IRGC as a whole"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "a terrorist organization. So, Rahami and"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "his crew were likely not just hanging"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "around at the embassy playing checkers."}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "They were likely using the compound as"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "diplomatic shield from which to plan and"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "coordinate with their terrorist buddies."}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "So while the attack gained widespread"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "international outrage from many"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "countries, the attack was potentially"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "legal if the compound lost its protected"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "civilian status. But by September 2024,"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "all these years of surveillance,"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "recruited sources, and penetration were"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "beginning to compound. MSAD was now"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "coming for the very man who was at the"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "very top. Hezbollah had spent more than"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "three decades protecting Hassan Nazalla."}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "Barely a week after thousands of"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "Hezbollah pagers and radios exploded,"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "Israeli intelligence learned that"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "Nazalla would be meeting senior"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "commanders inside Hezbollah's deep"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "underground headquarters buried deep"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "beneath Beirut's southern suburbs. So"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "deep they believed that it was out of"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "reach of any bunker busters. But on"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "September 27th, Israeli aircraft struck"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "the complex, leveling several buildings"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "above it. Nallala was killed alongside"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "other senior Hezbollah figures and"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "Iranian Revolutionary Guard generals."}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "Israel had now killed eight of"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "Hezbollah's nine most senior military"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "commanders that year. Looking back on"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "the 3 years of targeted killing"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "campaigns since October 7th, Israel has"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "effectively killed almost every single"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "significant leader involved in the"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "terror attacks. It took a shot at"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "destroying the Iranian regime that had"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "funded and supported proxy terror groups"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "throughout the Middle East, but it was"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "unable to topple the regime as of yet."}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "The assassination campaign has weakened"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "and in some cases almost completely"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "dismantled much of the proxy network in"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "Lebanon, Gaza, and Syria. However, it's"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "morphing now and changing shape to try"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "to survive popping up in Yemen and Iraq."}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "So, how effective was this assassination"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "campaign? Targeted killings are"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "extremely effective at destroying"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "people. They're less reliable at"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "destroying organizations. Hamas replaced"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "its leaders, but is now facing the"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "possibility of laying down arms in the"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "future, although I'll believe it when I"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "see it. Hezbollah survived by"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "decentralizes and refuses to disarm"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "still. The IRGC absorbed enormous"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "leadership losses only to become even"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "more central to the Iranian state. One"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "of the lessons has been decapitation"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "works best when you're also destroying"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "the body underneath the head. If you"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "found this interesting, check out our"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "whole someone's assassination series"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "playlist is here. From cartel bosses to"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "Putin's inner circle. I think you'll"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "really like it. I'm Chris Cappy. Ending"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "transmission."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:02", "text": "I have a great conspiracy theory. We've"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "talked about Flock cameras multiple"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "times. I feel like this Flock camera"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "thing is a psyop. There are cities in"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "the United States that are actively"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "banning Flock cameras, but what they're"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "not telling you, they're immediately"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "signing another contract for"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "surveillance system through Axon. Axon"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "is the company that makes the body cams,"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "dash cams for police officers, they make"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "tasers, they make drones, but now they"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "have a new surveillance system that is"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "the same thing as Flock, but now it's"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "all under one umbrella for the police"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "force."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": ">> Donald Trump bought $5 with the stock in"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "Axon."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> Donald Trump did that?"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> All of the Flock stuff has existed for a"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "long time."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> But now we're talking about the police"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "cars are the Flock cameras. So, that"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "means this whole thing is a psyop"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "because they could literally tap into"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "any camera infrastructure that exists"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "already."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> I just saw this video of this lady, this"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "cop coming to her door, and he's like,"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "\"I'm putting you under arrest because"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "you were caught on camera stealing.\""}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": ">> And she wasn't even there."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> She wasn't there, and he's like, \"It's"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "AI. AI is never wrong.\" He's like, \"I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "100% sure this was you.\""}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> He said, \"No one breathes in this town"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "without us knowing.\""}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> I'm for sure hiring a fake cop to get"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "you like that. No, dude, [laughter] I'll"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "I'll"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "dive into a panic attack real quick."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:01", "text": "Did you hear what Tesla and SpaceX is"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "doing?"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:04", "text": ">> Oh, god. Starbase, actually."}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:05", "text": ">> Starbase?"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> Starbase?"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> They're building a 50-ft Prometheus"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "statue."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": ">> Oh, goodness gracious."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> What is Prometheus about?"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": ">> A Titan and champion of humanity who"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "famously defied the god Zeus by stealing"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "fire and giving it to mortals."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> So, he was a Titan? In theory, a Titan"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "would be a Nephilim."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> Yeah, in a sense, I would think that he"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "would actually be the fallen angel. Zeus"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "chains him to a rock in the Caucasus"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "Mountains, and an eagle eats [music] his"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "liver every day."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> What's happening, Ty?"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Connecting the dots."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> He's putting things in our brains."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": ">> Lies. Yes."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> Prometheu."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> Hidden knowledge."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Implant."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> Why a statue? Why are Why are we so"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "obsessed with statues, guys?"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Idols."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> Yeah, I guess."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> These fancy guys, they love erecting"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "statues."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> They do."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Have you guys ever heard of the man"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "named Egon Shellankian? He has a YouTube"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "channel called Earth Safe Science"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "Collaborative. This YouTube channel"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "popped up out of nowhere. All the videos"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "are just him and it's very like"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "apocalyptic. On his LinkedIn, it says"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "that he went to Harvard, MIT, Yale. His"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "credentials have to be fake, okay?"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "Because they took a lot of photos that"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "he had with like politicians,"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> CIA directors, Nobel Peace Prize"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "winners. All of it was doctorred."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "started seeing these comments of we are"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "so lucky to have someone like you for"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "the creative society. The creative"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "society,"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": ">> it's a gigantic international volunteer"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "organization."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> Well, they're talking about basically if"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "we can join together as this creative"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "society, we can change the world for"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "good. Their whole thing is like they"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "will accomplish free worldwide"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "healthcare, elimination of debts,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "elimination of mortgages, elimination of"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "taxes, and an end to all wars."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "The Creative Society is a publicf facing"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "company for another thing called Alatra."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "All Atra is a cult led by this man named"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "Igor from Ukraine. He literally treats"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "himself as the Messiah."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "So, have you guys heard of something"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "called a Florida crawler? No. Three"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "teenagers. They were driving something"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "shot across the road 15 feet in front of"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "their truck. They described it as pale"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "skin. The body looked like that of an"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "extremely old man. They were like long"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "arms, long hands, long feet. It looked"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "as though he had permanently exposed"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "teeth."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> Stop."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": ">> It was running on all fours. Disappeared"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "in the woods. There's one more that"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "you'll really like. There was this"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "hunter. He'd been hunting this"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "particular property for 8 years. put"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "game cameras up, started realizing that"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "his cameras were getting like jacked"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "with. Sometimes they were missing,"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "sometimes they were messed with. This is"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "what his game camera"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> No, thank you. That's crazy."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> What the heck,"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> dude? What do you do if you see that"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "thing in the wild?"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> I would never go hunting again. It's"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "amazing. You do, Andrew."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Like Larry Bird in his 90s."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Yeah, this is sleep naked, so it's just"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "Yeah."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, did you know that"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "the Vikings once had wars, battles"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "against the Native Americans? Wa"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "ancestors of Native Americans were"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "chilling up in New Finland. One day, a"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "man named Thorvald Ericson relation to"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "Leaf Ericson. Thorvald captured eight"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "indigenous people and one escapes after"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "killing the other seven. The escape man"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "returns back to the Vikings with his"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "whole village and that's when the first"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "war started. Arrows start flying."}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "Thorvald gets hit. Oh no."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> The Indians retreat. Thorval dies right"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "there in the ship. But a couple years"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "later, Thorin Carl Stephanie arrives. He"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "has around 160 people start creating a"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "literal European colony."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> What ethnicity are these people?"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": ">> These are Vikings. There's peace for a"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "while. Then while one of the Native"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Americans are in the [music] Vikings"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "camp, one of them grabs an axe."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> Oh boy."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> The Vikings panic and kills the man. The"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "war continues. How it ended is they had"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "a pregnant Viking woman named Freddy's,"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "daughter of Eric the Red. She stands up"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "before everyone. She grabs a sword,"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "reveals her chest, and starts banging"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "the sword against her bare chest,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "screaming. And the Native Americans,"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "they run away as fast as they possibly"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "can. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "1960, archaeologists uncovered an"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "ancient north settlement, lands, oh,"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "Meadows, in Newf Finland. Everything"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "that they've heard about is just"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "confirmed right then and there. Before"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "Columbus, before all this baloney, the"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "Vikings were freaking there, dude."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "That's crazy."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "October 21st, 1978, 20-year-old"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "Australian, Frederick Valentich, was an"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "amateur pilot. He took off from the"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "Morabin airport and it was across the"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "Bass Strait toward King Island. He's"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "flying. He talks to his air control guy."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "Something happens and he disappears and"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "that was kind of it. They never found"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "him."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": ">> And the father's like, \"Can you please"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "give us the last recording of him?\" They"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "finally agreed to give him the"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "recording. He never shared the recording"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "of his son until he died. And this is"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "what happened. He's talking to the"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "controller and he asks if there's any"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "known aircraft in his vicinity. The"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "controller says there's no known"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "traffic. Frederick says, \"Well, there's"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "a large aircraft out here.\" I see four"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "bright lights. This thing keeps passing"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "over him at speeds he can't identify."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "Then he says, \"The object appears to be"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "orbiting above him. It has a green"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "light. It appeared metallic and looks"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "shiny on the outside.\" Frederick's"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "engine starts malfunctioning. This is"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "the final thing he said. He says, \"That"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "strange aircraft is back. It's hovering"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "on top of me again.\" And then the"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "microphone remained open. The recording"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "captures strange pulsing metallic"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "noises. This was a classified document"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "right up until a couple years ago, but"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "the government put out Frederick was"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "obsessed with UFOs. He wanted to end his"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "own life. In fact, a lot of his former"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "employees were like, he never mentioned"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "UFOs. His story was validated by four"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "different witnesses who were all along"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "the Bass Straight. They reported seeing"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "a strange series of lights that was"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "traveling at crazy speeds over the Bass"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "Straight. All reported October 21st,"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "1978. But to this day, we know nothing."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "Thank"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "This is the story of the Van Meter"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "visitor. Late night September 1903 in"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "Van Meter, Iowa. There's a farmer, his"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "name is Eugene. He's walking home. All"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "of a sudden, he sees this bright"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "unnatural light coming from the top of a"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "two-story building. And he stops and he"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "looks up and the light shifts towards"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "him. He hears a weird flapping noise."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "This thing jumps up, [music] flies"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "straight north. This thing was a"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "humanoid bat creature"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> staring right at him with four legs, a"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "beak like a bird standing at over 9 ft"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "tall. There's a guy named Peter Dunn. He"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "sleeps in the bank with a shotgun and he"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "has woke up to a gurgling noise and"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "standing out there is this creature. It"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "shines its light, blinds, he shoots, the"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "creature goes away. And the next morning"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "they walk outside the bank and they see"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "two huge footprints with three toes."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "They went out and they took plaster"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "casts of footprints they found outside"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "and they still have them in a museum."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "There's this one guy who had heard"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "gurgling in the cave the night prior. So"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "he got the director J. Al Plight Jr. He"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "gathered about five to six men. He stood"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "out that's front of the cave and they"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "waited until 1:00 in the morning. It"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "always came out early early in the"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "morning and out came this creature"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "gurgling at them. They shot and it was"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "unaffected. The next morning they went"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "to the cave where they assumed that this"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "thing lived and they blew up the"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "entrance and they closed it off and it"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "has been closed off ever since. some"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "Watchers kind of creation."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "There was a sailor. They took a course"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "that ships usually don't take because of"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "the reefs. They end up hitting the reef."}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "Ship breaks apart. Everyone on board"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "dies except one man."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Swims to this land, lays on the beach,"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "finds himself on a deserted island."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "Nothing but sand. There's no fresh"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "water. There's no way to make a fire."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "All he had with him was his clothes and"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "a knife. There's a large group of sea"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "turtles. So, he runs over and he's just"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "trying to flip over as many as he could."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "and he managed to get a handful of these"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "turtles. Them drank their blood, then"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "uses their shells for rainwater [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "collection. We're now on year three. In"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "this time, he was able to make a fire"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "with [music] driftwood. He looks over"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "and he sees a man. He's like, \"This is"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "the devil.\" And so, he starts running"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "this way and this man sees him, says,"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "\"That's the devil.\" They start running"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "opposite ways and they're both screaming"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "out to Jesus and they're like, \"Wait a"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "second.\" And they turn around. They"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "embrace each other like, \"Oh my gosh, 8"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "years. OH MY GOSH."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": ">> BRO, THIS man was on this island. A ship"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "comes sailing. It gets close enough, as"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "loud as they could, they started yelling"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "out the Lord's Prayer. They picked him"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "up on the journey back [music] to Spain."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "The second guy dies on the ship."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": ">> That first guy, they bring him. He meets"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "the king of Spain tells him the story."}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "The king of Spain [music] gives him a"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "lot of money to basically like, you can"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "just live the rest of your life how you"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "want. Sailing back and the new dies on"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "the boat."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": ">> Oh, come on, dude. The guy's cursed."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "You guys hear about Elatra, the"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "organization that's connected to the"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "massive global movement called the"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "Creative Society?"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Yeah, the one claiming they want to"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "unite humanity and save the entire"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "planet."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> That's nice."}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": ">> Well, people are actually calling it a"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "cult. And once you start looking into"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "who's involved in how far this thing is"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "actually spread,"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:20", "text": ">> it gets really weird."}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> Still kind of nice, though."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> You know what's worse? The van meter"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "visitor. How about the Florida crawlers?"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "People are reporting these pale humanoid"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "creatures stalking them in the darkness."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> I've seen one."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> You You've seen a Florida crawler?"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": ">> Yeah, behind an apple bees."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> Okay. Anyways, did you guys hear about"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "the story of Frederick Valentich? 1978,"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "a 20-year-old [music] pilot flying over"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "Australia."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> He radios air traffic control and says"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "there's something flying above him."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> Sounds like a bird."}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Whatever it was, it started following"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "him. Balanchic [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "says it starts moving strangely. And"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "then he tells air traffic control that"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "it's not an aircraft and then he"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "disappears forever."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> Must have been a big bird."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> All this and [music] more on this"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "episode of Ninjas are Butterflies. This"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "podcast is brought to you in power"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "[music] by Sunday cool. Watch this or"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "listen."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> I got to pee. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> Perfect."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "Stop that. I always thought primadano"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "meant like whatever happened before"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "Madonna. Oh, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": ">> it was like BC A kind of thing."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> I did it."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": ">> I know you told me already."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> You did what?"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": ">> I kind of alluded to like I might have"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "done it. I know that I did it."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:37", "text": ">> Scratched my coastas."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:37", "text": ">> I did it."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:43", "text": ">> I finally People Great News."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": ">> I finally bought a pair of Costas. I"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "always buy cheap sunglasses. I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "you know what? I'm at the beach. I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "going fishing. Yeah. I'm going to buy a"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "nice polarized pair of sunglasses that"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "are very expensive. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> extremely expensive."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": ">> Three days in. What the? There's a big"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "old scratch right where my eye is."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": ">> Oh no. And did you realize they were"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "scratched at the time?"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": ">> I avoided checking. I knocked them out"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "of the car. I was grabbing something."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "They were sitting on whatever I was"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "grabbing."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> Can I see them?"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> And they fell out of the car onto the"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "ground and I went, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:14", "text": ">> yeah.\" And it's right in your line of"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "sight."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:16", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> That's a That's a detail, though. Where"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "were they sitting in the car? I don't"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "know. Somewhere like on whatever I was"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "trying to grab though."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": ">> I put them on the dashboard."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> No, no, no, no, no."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> Okay, then right in the center where we"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "usually put our wallets and keys and"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": ">> Well, it was sitting on something"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "important."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": ">> More important than these. That's what I"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "like when my new helmet"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:39", "text": ">> I set it on the seat, got something out"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "of the back and it fell."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": ">> And it landed on"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> the visor and it and it was like a week"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "old. I'm like, \"You've got to be kidding"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "me.\" And no joke, like a voice from"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "heaven, I say, \"Oh, that sucks.\" I look"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "up and Josh France is on the roof."}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "He saw the whole thing. I'm like, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "sure does. Brand new.\" [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> On the roof where he typically is"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> roofing with Josh."}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": ">> Yeah. One sec. I'll be right back."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> Oh, sorry. No, you're good. You're good."}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "You're good. Keep going. Keep going."}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "Keep going."}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:11", "text": ">> Uh, okay. Yeah. What's he doing?"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": ">> Um, what"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> what's he doing?"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": ">> I hope it's a surprise."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "I think he's maybe participating in this"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "meeting because this is something he"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "said to me just a minute ago. He got a"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "text about a meeting and I was like, \"Do"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "you guys need to be in this meeting?\""}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "And he was like, \"No, we miss it every"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "week because we film on this day.\" And I"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "was like, \"Hey, Andy, your needs are"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "important, too. Your needs matter, too."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "If you want to be a part of this"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "meeting,"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> tell Josh.\""}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:40", "text": ">> Well, good thing we started the podcast."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "We could have waited a couple minutes."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": ">> Are you saying that to me?"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:48", "text": ">> No. No. Just in general. Anyway, he was"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "like, \"I don't really care"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "about this meeting, but it's clear that"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "he cares.\" He does care."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> Well, I don't care because they"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "announced the MVP of Sunday Cool and I"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "never win it."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> Dang."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> So, that's I'm boycotting it."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Dang."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> And it's just because my dad owns the"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "company."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> There was a year that there was a"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "Christmas party."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> That was terrible. Let me tell the Have"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "you heard this story?"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Uh, I don't know where we're going."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": ">> So, yeah. Okay. So obviously I don't"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "need to be MVP or"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> It'd be nice."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> I don't even want it because then"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "everyone immediately be like, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "you're the boss."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> Now I want to tell everyone to vote for"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "you.\" Don't. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": ">> But it was a Christmas party years ago."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> And it was a hat. Yeah. The rule."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> It was a hat and had all the names of"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "everyone in the company in it."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> I remember this."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": ">> They were giving out gifts."}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": ">> At the time the company was like 50%"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "hoopers."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": ">> Yeah. It was me, my brother, my sister,"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "my dad,"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": ">> your uncles,"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": ">> my uncles. Um, but they were big like"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "gift cards like"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": ">> $50 here, $50 there, a TV, stuff like"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:57", "text": ">> Every single name pulled out was me and"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "my siblings and my uncles and all"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "Hooper."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": ">> Everyone in the company's like,"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:01", "text": ">> it was the adopted son, too, right?"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> Didn't Austin win something?"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": ">> Terrible. [laughter] Terrible."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> It was you just every at this point we"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "were just not celebrating. Thanks."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": ">> And people I think people started like"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "Hooper just started handing other"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "people."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": ">> I was about to say like that's the move"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "at that point. Yeah. So"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:22", "text": ">> So after that our names were removed."}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": ">> Yeah. Gotcha."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": ">> Oh boy."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> The freak. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> What's going on here?"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> Did you dye your beard?"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": ">> What is happening?"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "What's going on,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:45", "text": ">> partner?"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": ">> What in the world?"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "[sighs]"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> he's from He just got back from Montana."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> Feels good to be back."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> Oh, I see."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> Feels good."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> How'd it go?"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "it's not so much I visited Montana."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> Yeah, right. It's more like Montana"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "visited me."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> Your homeland."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:10", "text": ">> My homeland, man. My roots."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Felt good."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> That's a cool outfit."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> Thank you. Appreciate it. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:17", "text": ">> That'd be really funny if I dressed up"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "as a cowboy today."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": ">> That's why you rushed out?"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": ">> Yeah. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:23", "text": ">> We thought you were speaking in the"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "meeting or something."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> I won employee of the month, too."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Did you really? No, of course not."}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Oh, dang it."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:29", "text": ">> Of course not."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": ">> We were just talking about that how it's"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "like you guys aren't going to win"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "employee of the month. No, I I I told"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "Josh uh I was saying yesterday I was"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "just like Kylie messaged me like, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "are you going to be at the meeting on"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "Friday?\" It was like a couple weeks ago"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "in July. And I was just like, \"I don't"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "think so. I think we're filming that"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "time.\" She's like, \"Oh, you can't get"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "I'm\" I'm like, \"No, we're going to be"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "filming in a\" She's like, \"Okay.\" And my"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "mind I'm like, \"Why you?\" They've never"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "needed me at a meeting a long time. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": ">> \"I'm gonna win.\""}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": ">> Did I am I winning something? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "And uh she was like, and she's like,"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "\"Okay, no worries. I was just looking"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "someone to run it and I'll find someone"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "else.\" I'm like, \"Oh, okay. Perfect."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:09", "text": ">> Very good."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> Thank you so much."}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Appreciate it.\""}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> Today's not Friday, though. Today's"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "Thursday."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:14", "text": ">> Yeah, cuz we're going to Aquatica"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "tomorrow."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": ">> Aquatica,"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> the land of water."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> You guys are going to have so much fun."}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "Andrew, you're going."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> I'm not."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": ">> You're going?"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:24", "text": ">> I'm not."}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": ">> You're going?"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": ">> Two reasons. One,"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:28", "text": ">> my wife off."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": ">> Whoa. Easy. Okay."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": ">> That I see the perspective there. two"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "fingers."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": ">> Two reasons. Now, we have a super dope"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "guest coming Monday."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": ">> are they coming Monday?"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:40", "text": ">> Oh, John. Oh, yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:41", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:43", "text": ">> Wednesday."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": ">> I thought you were talking about the"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "week after. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> Gotcha. Which means"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": ">> for Patreon to have the episode in a"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "timely manner. I can't take"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": ">> time to do it."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:54", "text": ">> You can't go ride one freaking water"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "slide."}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": ">> MacBooks are waterproof, dude. I don't"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "know if you know this. And then uh yeah,"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "Noah and Teeth anytime I can go home and"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "help Paige."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> I understand."}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> Brutal."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:06", "text": ">> So um"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": ">> me off yesterday."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": ">> Keep me up. Keep me Help me here. Your"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "guy is coming on Monday."}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": ">> What are we doing?"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": ">> Filming a pod."}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": ">> I thought you were filming on Wednesday."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:19", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": ">> We're We're filming on the Friday."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:25", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:25", "text": ">> And you're filming with the other guy on"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "Wednesday. On Monday?"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> On Monday."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": ">> Okay. Kabish kabush."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": ">> You guys need to know this."}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:32", "text": ">> I mean, can we not tell him who they who"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "it is?"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": ">> I He hasn't text me back."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> Oh, okay. Are you nervous about it?"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> Just in case."}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> Just in case."}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> Let me just text him real quick."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": ">> Maybe I am going to Aquatica."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> I'm going to say Papa."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> Aquatica is so fun because they have"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "like a lazy river that goes like 15"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "miles an hour."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": ">> Dude, that's so fun."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:50", "text": ">> 15 miles an hour."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": ">> I mean, maybe not that fast, but it's"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "not a lazy river. That's cooking."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": ">> It's not a lazy river. It's fast. It"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "pushes you. Like, it really does. It's a"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "It's fun."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": ">> It's a light jog river."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": ">> I feel like I know the I'm o like I am"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "well over the median company age, but I"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "do think it's funny that most of the"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "things that we do to celebrate are like"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "where you would want to go if you're 13."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> Feels a little weird to be"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": ">> We brought a petting zoo here last year,"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "dude. [laughter] It's fun."}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> I think it's cute."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> Be a kid,"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": ">> dude. One year we went to a trampoline"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "park and I was pregnant with Jane. That"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "was so fun."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": ">> Yeah, that was scary. I'm It's amazing"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "no one got hurt. It is a drew. It really"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "is amazing. Huge liability."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> I I hate trampoline parks, but it is"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "always fun. Arcade games."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": ">> It's just my anxiety of just pure"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "everyone someone's going to get hurt."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:38", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": ">> there's going to be a broken bone. And I"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "think I've I may have mentioned this"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "before, but I have constant anxiety that"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "one of my kids are going to get like"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "hurt like we're going to have to run to"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "the hospital. Fear that we're going to"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "get in a car wreck. I'm going to get hit"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "on my bike. But I feel like the constant"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "anxiety and the pressure that I put on"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "myself from that is enough punishment as"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "if I would have already been in a wreck"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "or my kid would have broke our arm."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:58", "text": ">> Yeah, that's fair."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> And so I think I'm going to have no"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "accidents for the rest of my life, but"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "my body's going to feel like it."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": ">> Have you heard of the phenomenon where"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "you get so wrapped up and fearful about"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "something that it ends up manifesting it"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "and it does happen?"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> Mhm. I am fearful that I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "behave so manically and terribly that I"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "alienate and ostracize my children and"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "they don't want to have a relationship"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "with me when they're adults."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:22", "text": ">> Yeah. That doesn't happen with parenting"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "though."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": ">> If you try to be a good parent, then"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "you're being a good parent."}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": ">> Good bad parents don't try to be good"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "parents or don't worry about being good"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "parents."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> Bad parents don't think about that at"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "all."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Everybody is completely self-aware."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> I'm good with my kids. I know they're"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "going to love me. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": ">> I mean, how could you know?"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:46", "text": ">> I'm the cool dad."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> Can I tell you?"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": ">> Listen, don't listen what a mom says."}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:51", "text": ">> She's crazy."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:53", "text": ">> I'm I'm the cool dad. Really?"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": ">> She's trying to alienate you. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> She doesn't even want you to visit when"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "you get older."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "I [clears throat] am Something"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "embarrassing happened to me."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": ">> Oh, let's hear it."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> Terribly embarrassing."}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": ">> Okay. Oh, a couple of things."}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": ">> We went on vacation for a week."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "with Heather and Steve. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": ">> It's irrelevant, but they are my"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "in-laws."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": ">> Yeah, your in-laws are irrelevant."}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": ">> No, but I'm saying the fact is"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "irrelevant."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:22", "text": ">> You guys just hear it here first."}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": ">> Because I care about them very much. So,"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "they're not your typical in-laws."}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:27", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": ">> That you hear with negative connotation."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "However, they are my in-laws."}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> And we went on vacation and I woke up"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "night one in the middle of the night."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": ">> Can't open my eyes."}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "Oh,"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> what do you mean?"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:46", "text": ">> I couldn't open my eyes because they"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "were glued shut with conjunctivitis."}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": ">> Adult pink eye."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": ">> Night one of our beach our family beach"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "trip with my in-laws where we are"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "grieving Josh's grandmother. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:58", "text": ">> That stinks."}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:11:59", "text": ">> Did you tell him?"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:00", "text": ">> I literally felt like a leper. I've"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "never felt"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:01", "text": ">> Where did you get that from,"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": ">> dude? Bro, I don't know. I"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "I'm pretty sure I know. Okay. You'll"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "tell me later."}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> No, I'll tell you right now."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:10", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> I didn't know if like it was like a"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "friend or the listen to the Potter like"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "this person."}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> We were on the beach."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> The night she got pink eye."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:18", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": ">> Jane comes over me. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "[laughter] rock."}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": ">> She puts this rock in my hand. Like this"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "rock stinks. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": ">> It was a turd."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:31", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Really?"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:33", "text": ">> It's on the beach. That [laughter] ain't"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> I'm like, \"Oh my gosh.\" And then Jame"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "picked it up again and Lily took it and"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "like tried to wash her hands off. That's"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "how I think she got pink eye."}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:43", "text": ">> You went up to Lily right after Lily,"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "your eyes are so beautiful. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": ">> Dude, have you seen Have you seen the"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "prank? These dudes are I guess it's"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "Mexico cuz it's all in Spanish and I"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "can't hear it, but they're taking some"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "chili that's like insanely hot. The"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "opening clip is they're doing this with"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "it and then they literally like dap a"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "bro up and then they go like, \"Hey,\" and"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "it's just that's me."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:02", "text": ">> It's mayhem."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:03", "text": ">> That's not nice. I'd lose a friend over"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": ">> Anyways, it was that night she got pink"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "eye. She was up at like 3:00 in the"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "morning. I'm like, \"You're all right.\""}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "And she's like, \"I'm got pink eye.\" I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "like, \"Oh, no.\""}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:13", "text": ">> Like, are you sure? Just something got"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "in it."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:14", "text": ">> Light on."}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:15", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:16", "text": ">> No. But that ain't that so real. That"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "happens to me every time. I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "\"Something's happening.\""}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": ">> No. Go to bed. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": ">> Probably the majority of the time"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "there's not usually something happening"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "though, right? Would you be honest?"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> NO. I'M VERY IN TUNE. [laughter] And"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "then this happens. I wake up. I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "waiting for urgent care to open. I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "just waiting. They're like, I've done"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "all the research in the middle of the"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "night on where I need to go. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "like, \"Hey, Josh, I'm going to go to the"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "doctor. I'm going to It's time. Can you"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "watch the kids? I'm going to go to the"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "doctor.\" And he's like, \"Well, let me"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "see your eye real quick.\""}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:49", "text": ">> And then I I turn the flashlight on."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "She's like right here. I go [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "I mean, it's like caked closed, and it"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "scared me so bad. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": ">> No, you're fine. You're good. Ah, I got"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "I thought there was something behind"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "you. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": ">> That's so funny, dude. I had I had like"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "just that whatever you call it. I don't"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "know. I was a kid. I had stuff all over"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "my eyes and it was just it would build"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "up and I thought I was like dying"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": ">> and at one point I'm walking. I get out"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "of the car from like sleeping. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:18", "text": ">> I woke up from a nap and my mom got me"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "out of the car and I'm walking to my"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "friend's house and I stop and I say,"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "\"Mom, I can't see. [laughter] Mom, I"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "can't see.\" Like I literally was"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "panicking that I was l going blind or"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "something cuz all I saw was just like it"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "was just blurry. And then she's like And"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "then she goes over and there was just"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "like stuff on my eyelashes. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "That was it. But I literally thought I"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "was like just dying like going blind."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "This is it."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. I felt like such a leopard"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "though. It was terrible."}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:42", "text": ">> That stinks. How far How long did it"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "last?"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> Wait, the whole time?"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> The whole time. The whole time the whole"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "time?"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:48", "text": ">> Well, no. It clears up. You get"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "antibiotic drops and it basically clears"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "up the next day, but you're still like"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "contagious. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": ">> And like you still"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": ">> that's a nightmare the first day."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:57", "text": ">> You can't dunk your head under water."}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "You can't do any of those things. I"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "can't wear contacts. I can't wear"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "makeup."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": ">> And we I go to the urgent care and the"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "nurses were so funny and so cool. Like"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "I'm doing the they made me do like the"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "eye test since I was there for something"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "eye related and I was killing it. But I"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "was also wearing my glasses."}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": ">> And the lady's like, \"Do another one."}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": ">> Do another one.\" And I'm like, \"You see"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "how I'm wearing glasses so I can see?\""}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "Very good. come [laughter] get some"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "smaller letters in here."}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": ">> And I was like, I think I have grown up"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "pink eye. And they're like, it happens."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "And I'm like, I feel yuck. And they got"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "me a Zpack and a steroid."}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": ">> But then I got sick again."}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": ">> Yeah. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:38", "text": ">> Terrible."}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:39", "text": ">> This has been sick."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:41", "text": ">> We're going have to make up the We're"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "going to have to make up this trip."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:43", "text": ">> Yeah. No, I know."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:44", "text": ">> The retreat that we're planning."}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:45", "text": ">> No, 100%. I've been doing some more"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "research, too. I sent Josh another"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "Airbnb."}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": ">> Cool. Speaking of uh Airbnb research, do"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "you own a song?"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": ">> Genre in mind, Lily."}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:16:02", "text": ">> Have a genre and"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "say jazz. 1920s prohibition jazz."}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": ">> Hello my lady. Hello."}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> Look at the legs on that tomato. If you"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "like to get pink eye, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "then I"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "fart on your pillow. [laughter] I farted"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "on your pillow."}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:29", "text": ">> That should have been our song today."}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:31", "text": ">> I know. I know. I know that."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": ">> I know. All right. All right. Let's get"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "on with it."}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:33", "text": ">> I don't remember how we're getting into"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": ">> I don't know what you do."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": ">> For the first [clears throat] time ever."}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:40", "text": ">> Here we go."}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "I'm not going to lie, that was probably"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "the best cover you've ever heard in your"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "life. But YouTube doesn't care. They"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "don't want you to have that. So, if you"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "want to hear the song, if you want to"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "hear Josh and Andy's angelic voices"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "covering a song that you'll have to go"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "to Patreon to figure out or just wait a"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "few seconds, I think we talk about it."}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "But if you would like to hear that, go"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "to patreon.com/ninjas"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "or butterflies and they cover it with"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "just the most beautiful resonance coming"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "down their wind pipes. Anyways, they"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "told me to film this video and so I'm"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "doing it. I feel awkward and I was"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "trying to be creative and now I just"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "feel dumb. So anyway, they flagged the"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "song go to Patreon. Okay, love you. Bye."}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:21", "text": ">> Heck of a tune."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": ">> Heck of a tune."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:27", "text": ">> If that gets flagged, that's crazy."}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": ">> We were so far off. Um,"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:31", "text": ">> we should do a version of that"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:32", "text": ">> so we can"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:34", "text": ">> That was really hard."}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": ">> We should do a version of that where he"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "just keeps going. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:38", "text": ">> It just keeps going never goes to"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "gravity."}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": ">> That was That was the most confusing"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "part to me."}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "[singing]"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": ">> There it is."}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:54", "text": ">> Gravity."}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": ">> Um, shout out August 12th."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "We survived everyone."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": ">> Shout out August Ro."}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": ">> August 12th, Gravity Day. Yes, Andy."}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:06", "text": ">> I know. I was just saying August."}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:08", "text": ">> Yeah. We survived."}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:09", "text": ">> We survived."}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:10", "text": ">> It's all okay."}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:12", "text": ">> I didn't think it'd happen."}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": ">> You got an XL sticker on your shirt."}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": ">> Nice. It's cold in here. Pull this off"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "the shelf."}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:19", "text": ">> Um, [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:21", "text": ">> we survived. NASA lied to us."}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": ">> Speaking of the shirt"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": ">> or other shirts like it, sunnywag.com."}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:26", "text": ">> Should we do an August I survive August"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "12th shirt?"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "What do you guys think? What does the"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "crowd think?"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:33", "text": ">> I hear applause. Oh my gosh. I guess"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "they want it."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:35", "text": ">> What would the design look like? Would"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "it be a person floating?"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:37", "text": ">> We already got a design. We already got"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "a design."}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:40", "text": ">> All right, fine. Forget about"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:40", "text": ">> Hey, fine. Forget it. I got a stupid"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "idea."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:42", "text": ">> I have an idea anyway, but it's not"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": ">> over there."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:48", "text": ">> Kelsey's going to Aquatica."}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": ">> Yeah, I I my uh [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:50", "text": ">> Do you want to go?"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:51", "text": ">> Do you want to go with the girls?"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:52", "text": ">> We have extra tickets."}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:54", "text": ">> No, it's okay."}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": ">> Well, no. I said no because it was a"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "second day of school. There's school."}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "There's school."}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": ">> Hey, parenting way."}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:02", "text": ">> You can't be mean to me this episode."}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:03", "text": ">> What are you talking about? Both of them"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "are at school, though."}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:07", "text": ">> Then go for a little bit."}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:08", "text": ">> Oh, you're saying you go?"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:10", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:11", "text": ">> Okay, let's go."}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:12", "text": ">> Wow. You didn't even think"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:13", "text": ">> Kylie literally said today she's like,"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "\"Hey, if they like anything changes, we"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "have extra tickets.\" So, yes, you're"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "going then."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:17", "text": ">> Fun."}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:18", "text": ">> Fun."}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:19", "text": ">> I don't It's not going to time out cuz I"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "was picking J."}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": ">> We could Uber drive them home. Have an"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "Uber pick."}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:26", "text": ">> We could do that. That's true. It's not"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "a big deal."}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:32", "text": ">> We'll just get into it. Really?"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": ">> Today's question is, should this segment"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "just be put to an end?"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Yes."}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": ">> I mean, that's fine."}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:44", "text": ">> That's an easy answer. Yes,"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:45", "text": ">> it's fine."}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:46", "text": ">> I'm glad it's for you."}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:47", "text": ">> I'm glad it's easy."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> So, you want this segment to end? You"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "want to stop answering questions?"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": ">> This segment? Yes."}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": ">> This segment? Okay. That's a Dang, that"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "is a bummer. Because today's question"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "was, should veterans ask for help?"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "If"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:00", "text": ">> they need it. No. Yeah, we can move on."}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "We can"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": ">> You've already answered."}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": ">> Sorry, guys. From now on, this segment"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "is ended. I'm sorry, veterans. Um,"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:09", "text": ">> we're not going to give you the answer"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "that maybe you want or hope for. We"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "don't know because Lily wants to end it."}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:20", "text": ">> henceforth, this segment is ended. For"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "all those that need help, you'll just"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "have to figure it out yourself. I don't"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "know. cuz we were really hoping Lily"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "would be helpful in this. Would"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:28", "text": ">> have veterans done for us, right? Why"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "should we help them?"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:30", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:31", "text": ">> Why should we give them an answer,"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:32", "text": ">> Veterans have done so much."}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:34", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:35", "text": ">> So much you want to give an answer to"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": ">> Well, I guess you guys heard here first."}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": ">> This is the end of this."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": ">> Sorry for those [singing]"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "who are heartbroken."}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": ">> Welcome to the show."}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:52", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:53", "text": ">> Did I say nature? I meant"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:58", "text": ">> butterfly."}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:21:00", "text": ">> The butterfly is no doubt one of God's"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": ">> empty your mind."}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": ">> You were martial arts."}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "[screaming]"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:10", "text": ">> Josh, do you remember what you did with"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "your money when you were a teenager?"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:12", "text": ">> Spin it"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:14", "text": ">> on what?"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:14", "text": ">> Couldn't tell you, which is probably the"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "problem."}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:17", "text": ">> Exactly. I wish I'd learned earlier that"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "saving money is actually a skill."}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:20", "text": ">> For the parents out there with"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "teenagers, we know you're already trying"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "to keep a million different things under"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "control. Cash App is here to make sure"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "your teens money and their spending"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "isn't adding to that craziness. It's"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "never too early for your kids to start"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "saving. Small steps today can build"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "strong habits tomorrow. 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You"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "can also manage everything directly from"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "your Cash App account without having to"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "switch between the two. Making it simple"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "to stay connected to your teen's"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "financial activity in a way that's both"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "efficient and empowering."}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:04", "text": ">> If you're ready to give your teen access"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "to interest on savings, start by"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "downloading Cash App and sponsoring"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "their account today. 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I"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "[snorts] know."}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:39", "text": ">> You know how you can tell you're getting"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "older?"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:42", "text": ">> Everything I say now starts with, you"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "know what exactly convenient?"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": ">> Exactly. You know what's actually"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "convenient? When you walk into a"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "business, type your card, and then"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "you're done."}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:53", "text": ">> Half the time. That's Square."}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:56", "text": ">> Seriously, we see Square everywhere. And"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "as a customer, I love it. It's quick."}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "It's the receipts easy. And the whole"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "checkout just feels dialed in."}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:02", "text": ">> But the cool part is what Square is"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "doing behind the counter."}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": ">> Duh. Square is business's van connected"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "system for payments, inventory, payroll,"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "invoices, staff, and more. So instead of"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "running five different systems, it's all"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "working together,"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": ">> which means less time doing boring"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "business stuff"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:19", "text": ">> and more time actually running your"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "business."}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:22", "text": ">> This is a beautiful thing."}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": ">> If you're starting a business or running"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "one that deserves better tools, Square"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "helps you sell, manage, and grow without"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "slowing down. Right now, you can get up"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "to $200 off a Square hardware at"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "square.com/go/ninjas."}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": ">> That's sq a r e.com/go/ninjas."}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": ">> Run your business smarter with Square."}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "Get started today."}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:53", "text": ">> We are getting later and later."}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:55", "text": ">> Yeah, [music]"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "we had a little chatty beginning. It's"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "okay. Hey, all the comments. Uh 2140."}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "Well, that's when the podcast starts."}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:09", "text": ">> That's how you guys sound."}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:10", "text": ">> That's how you guys literally sound."}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:11", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": ">> we love you."}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:14", "text": ">> No, we do love you and we love that you"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "stick around."}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:16", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": ">> Um let's just get [clears throat] right"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "into it. Did you guys see that solar"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "eclipse in Spain?"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:22", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:22", "text": ">> Dude, have have you seen the surf photo"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "from it?"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:25", "text": ">> I didn't see a surf."}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:27", "text": ">> Skateboarding is the dopest."}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:27", "text": ">> All right, hold on. How did they manage"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": ">> Oh, you'll see."}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": ">> Oh, you'll see cameras."}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": ">> This is so I mean, it was a really crazy"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "solar eclipse."}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:38", "text": ">> The coolest."}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:39", "text": ">> All right, watch this one first. I'm"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "sending"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:42", "text": ">> Let me know when you get it. I should go"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "ahead and send this one, too."}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:44", "text": ">> Dude, what's up with the internet over"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "here right now?"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:47", "text": ">> Yeah, I know. It's wacky."}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:49", "text": ">> Okay, I'm ready."}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:50", "text": ">> You guys got it. Wait, which one first?"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": ">> The top one. All right, ready? Three,"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "two, one, go."}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "Whoa."}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:00", "text": ">> Wait, watch. Watch."}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:03", "text": ">> Oh, you can't do the music."}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:04", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:08", "text": ">> Look how sick that is."}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:12", "text": ">> Black hole son."}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": ">> That's the only appropriate song for"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "so stinking cool."}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:17", "text": ">> I saw that song in concert."}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": ">> John May or not get flagged, but that"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "gets flagged. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:22", "text": ">> And the second one, I mean, it's just"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "there's so many cool videos"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:25", "text": ">> really taking advantage of. Eerie."}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:29", "text": ">> You know, but that happened on the day u"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "there's a couple things that happened"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "yesterday. Well, I guess August 12th."}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:35", "text": ">> Why is it only in one country are they"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "having a solar eclipse?"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:38", "text": ">> Well, um"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:39", "text": ">> is the moon in different places like"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:43", "text": ">> I'll show you a photo that explains it."}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "Like in the UK it did like partial"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "eclipse."}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:47", "text": ">> Oh, that is a cool photo."}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:47", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:51", "text": ">> Oh, he did black hole sun."}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": ">> Oh, good. Good. Somebody got to do it."}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:55", "text": ">> Wow, that's sick. Is that not here? And"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "this one"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:58", "text": ">> AI"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "AI."}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": ">> No, that's enhanced. That's generated."}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:03", "text": ">> I've never seen this perspective."}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:04", "text": ">> Your mother's generated."}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:05", "text": ">> I didn't fact."}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:06", "text": ">> Oh, that's cool."}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": ">> I didn't fact check anything, but I"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "think that's crazy looking."}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:11", "text": ">> That is legit."}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:12", "text": ">> Same guy. AI. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:14", "text": ">> That's AI."}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:14", "text": ">> Down vote. Down vote."}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:17", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": ">> he does reshare stuff, so who knows? But"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:19", "text": ">> yeah, apparently"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:20", "text": ">> he's verified on Instagram, so"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:21", "text": ">> I choose to believe"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:23", "text": ">> he's legit."}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:25", "text": ">> So are we. We've never AI anything."}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:27", "text": ">> August 12th,"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:30", "text": ">> there was a full solar eclipse in Spain."}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "The first time in over a century"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:33", "text": ">> there, we had all the planets line up."}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:35", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:36", "text": ">> Yesterday weird."}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:38", "text": ">> There's a crazy meteor shower apparently"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "that went over America. Florida could"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "see it really well. We couldn't because"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "there's a lot of clouds."}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:44", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:45", "text": ">> but then we got a bunch of earthquakes"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "happening. We just had the one in"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "Colombia."}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:48", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": ">> Crazy. 7.5, right?"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:55", "text": ">> 7. Yeah. 7.4."}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:57", "text": ">> Oh no. Um, which speaking of that, uh,"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "[clears throat] we Convoy of Hope"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "reached out to us. We love Convoy of"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "Hope. They're awesome, awesome dudes."}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "They've came and sat with us and they do"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "a lot of really cool things. But, uh, we"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "have a fundraising page, uh, convoy of"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "hope.orginjas."}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "Um, [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "really like all donations are going to"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "help the people of Columbia."}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "Look at there. We got a little truck. I"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "need a truck"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:24", "text": ">> convolet truck. Um, but yeah, it's"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "really cool what they're doing. So, if"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "you guys want to donate monthly or once"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "a time, once a time ago,"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:32", "text": ">> once a time."}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": ">> Once a time. If you want to donate once,"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:36", "text": ">> you can do a dollar. You can do a"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "million dollars. Everything goes up. And"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "we're not getting paid. We're not"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "sponsored by them. It's just a place"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:41", "text": ">> to help."}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:42", "text": ">> No, they're just giving us like cars and"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:44", "text": ">> Sunday Cool has like a long history with"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "them, right?"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. They're the same people"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "we've done stuff with before."}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:50", "text": ">> Yeah. They they give like non-p"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "perishable food. They give mattresses,"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "water, and it's always like within the"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "first couple days that they they get"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "boots on the ground. It's so cool. So,"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "uh convoy of hope.org/ninjas."}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:00", "text": ">> Go."}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:01", "text": ">> If you want to go check it out,"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:02", "text": ">> do that."}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:03", "text": ">> We love you, Convoy."}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:05", "text": ">> Yeah, but it's crazy. Did you see the"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "volcano go off because of the"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "earthquake,"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:09", "text": ">> bro? I don't have the video of it, but I"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "mean, it was insane."}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:11", "text": ">> Golly, man."}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:13", "text": ">> Yeah, there's volcanoes going off in"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "Italy."}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:18", "text": ">> Lava and shaking earth. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:19", "text": ">> I do not want to come up against that."}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:21", "text": ">> It's crazy times."}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:23", "text": ">> It's wild, dude. I was watching that uh"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "a clip of um in I think it was in the"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "60s, that big earthquake in uh San"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "Francisco,"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:29", "text": ">> that crazy big one"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:31", "text": ">> and it was like the World Series was"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "going on happening in San Francisco at"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "the time and they had broadcast and then"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "it cut out and you just hear you see it"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "shaking a little bit and then you hear"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "the announcers go, \"Oh my gosh, it's an"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "earthquake.\" And then it cuts"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:43", "text": ">> and then just I mean I could I can't"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "believe it. I mean, the the bridge was"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "broke. Parking garages literally dropped"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "levels. I mean, it was like something"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "out of it was crazy. San Andreas's"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "fault, dude."}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:54", "text": ">> Crazy."}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:56", "text": ">> I don't know who San Andreas is, but it"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "is his fault. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:00", "text": ">> He's probably a real saint."}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:03", "text": ">> Um, speaking of non-saints."}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:06", "text": ">> Did you hear what uh Tesla and SpaceX is"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "doing?"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:08", "text": ">> Starbase, actually."}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": ">> Starbase."}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:12", "text": ">> Starbase. Starbase, which is SpaceX's"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "base."}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:16", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": ">> They're building a 50 foot Prometheus"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "statue."}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:20", "text": ">> Oh, goodness gracious."}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": ">> Star base."}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:24", "text": ">> Okay. What is Prometheus about?"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:25", "text": ">> He's that that god that flew too close"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "to the sun."}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:27", "text": ">> No, that's Icorus."}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:28", "text": ">> Icarus."}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:30", "text": ">> Oh, who's Prometheus?"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:32", "text": ">> He's another Greek god."}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:33", "text": ">> Oh, [clears throat] they're all the"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "same. Really?"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:35", "text": ">> They're all fake."}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:36", "text": ">> Someone look up who's Prometheus. What"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "is he known for? I thought he's like"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "something with the sky or the sun or"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "something. Good movie."}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:44", "text": ">> A titan and champion of humanity who"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "famously defied the god Zeus by stealing"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "fiber."}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:48", "text": ">> Fiber"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": ">> fire and giving it to mortals."}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": ">> Fiber. He stole the fiber."}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:55", "text": ">> Oh, that's interesting."}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "So, he stole the fire from Zeus and gave"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "it to the mortals."}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:02", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "Seems pretty"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:06", "text": ">> Watchers"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "stealing something from God, giving it"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "to the man. Antichrist"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:12", "text": ">> connecting and dots."}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:14", "text": ">> He's putting things in our brains."}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:16", "text": ">> Prometheus. Prometheu."}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:17", "text": ">> Hidden knowledge."}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:18", "text": ">> Implant."}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:19", "text": ">> Dude, did you guys see Prometheus though"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "by Ridley Scott?"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:22", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:22", "text": ">> Oh, I saw it in the movie theater. Was"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "awesome."}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:24", "text": ">> Cuz that's a prequel to Alien, right?"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:27", "text": ">> I would call it a Is it a prequel?"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:29", "text": ">> I think it's a prequel. I think that's"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "like what happened before and then like"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "you can watch Alien right after and it"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "makes sense."}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:38", "text": ">> Okay. Prometheus was in my Cersei book."}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:39", "text": ">> So, he was a Titan."}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:40", "text": ">> Or he"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:41", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": ">> And search in the water."}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:48", "text": ">> In theory, a Titan would be a Nephilim."}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:50", "text": ">> Yeah. In a if our theory prevails"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:52", "text": ">> that Greek gods were watchers."}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:55", "text": ">> Well, in a sense, I would think that he"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "would actually be the fallen angel."}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:31:02", "text": ">> Well, Titans were offspring of the gods."}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:06", "text": ">> Okay, then forget it. Um, but Zeus"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "chains him to a rock in the Cauasus"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "Mountains and an eagle eats his liver"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "every day."}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:14", "text": ">> Dang, I do remember that."}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:15", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:17", "text": ">> Fun. How was that book?"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:17", "text": ">> Freaking awesome, dude."}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:20", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:22", "text": ">> it was really good. It makes you um"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "empathize with Cersei even though she"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "was like a witch."}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:27", "text": ">> Hey, nothing wrong with empath"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "empathizing"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "with a witch every now and then. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:34", "text": ">> Who doesn't do that?"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:36", "text": ">> I do."}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:39", "text": ">> So, Prometheus."}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": ">> Yes. Why a statue? Why Why are we so"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "obsessed with statues, guys?"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:43", "text": ">> Idols."}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:45", "text": ">> Yeah, I guess."}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": ">> The interesting thing is he is the giver"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "of knowledge, science, and art."}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:51", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:52", "text": ">> or the knowledge of science and art."}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:55", "text": ">> Like science and fart."}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:57", "text": ">> Somebody wise said one time, \"Nothing"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "new happens under the sun.\""}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:31:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Who said that? Some wise guy,"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:01", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:02", "text": ">> Some type of wise guy, huh?"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:03", "text": ">> Prometheus. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:04", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:05", "text": ">> Salamon."}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:10", "text": ">> Yeah, it just appears to be a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "idols. These these fancy guys, they love"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "erecting statues."}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:13", "text": ">> They do."}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:15", "text": ">> Also, when are we going to get Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "When what's our what's our point of"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "getting a statue?"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:20", "text": ">> Ninjas of butterflies. When's the point"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "when we get a statue? And is that"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "statue?"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:25", "text": ">> Should we get a statue of Shakira?"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:26", "text": ">> That's the question I asked today."}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:28", "text": ">> That's a good question. That's the"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "question I pose to the audience."}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:32", "text": ">> Yeah, that's good. I said we get a"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "statue of La Marzulli."}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:34", "text": ">> I am La Marzuli."}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:37", "text": ">> He would love that. He would literally"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "love that. Uh any statue makers in the"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "comments that we could that we make a"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:41", "text": "mission. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Let's do it."}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:46", "text": ">> I do want to get bust of us made,"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:46", "text": ">> dude. Please. Like granite."}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:51", "text": ">> Or if someone can 3D print a bust of"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "each of us or all together."}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:54", "text": ">> I don't think I'd be happy with mine, so"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "don't make me one. Just make make it"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": ">> Make Lily's the biggest one."}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:00", "text": ">> We got a a patron on Discord. He's gonna"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "make us a uh um Odyssey [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "helmet."}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:02", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:04", "text": ">> Who?"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:05", "text": ">> Uh one of our patrons on uh Discord."}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:06", "text": ">> Oh my goodness. Look at his name."}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:07", "text": ">> That's pretty cool."}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:10", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:11", "text": ">> I tried to make a like a self-portrait"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "out of clay when I was an art student"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "and it got weird cuz I felt like I was"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "like fondling my own face as I like"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "molded it and I was like, I'm over this"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "project."}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:19", "text": ">> That's probably all the therapy you"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "needed."}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:22", "text": ">> I'd be into that."}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:23", "text": ">> Fondling [laughter] my face. What else"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "you got?"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:24", "text": ">> My own face. Okay."}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:27", "text": ">> And your face."}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:30", "text": ">> What else do I got? Okay,"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "moving on. Um, this was pretty"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "interesting. Okay."}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "Um, a genetic, let's see, a recent study"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "found that some Icelanders with deep"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "ancestral roots in the country carry,"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "let's see, how to say this,"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "mitochondrial"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "DNA specific to Native Americans."}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:56", "text": ">> Pardon? Since this DNA is inherited only"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "through the m maternal line, it suggests"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "that a Native American woman traveled"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "across the Atlantic with the Vikings and"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "had children in Iceland."}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:08", "text": ">> Oh my goodness, that is so interesting."}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:10", "text": ">> And if we know anything about Vikings,"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "they would never take people from their"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "homeland."}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": ">> No, never."}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:15", "text": ">> So this Native American woman on her own"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "valition"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:16", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:17", "text": ">> fell in love."}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:17", "text": ">> Fell in love."}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:18", "text": ">> Oh boy."}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:21", "text": ">> Sailed to Iceland."}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:22", "text": ">> This is like Pocahontas. And her name"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "was Pocahontas."}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:25", "text": ">> Her name was Pocahontas. No, but isn't"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:27", "text": "that fascinating?"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:29", "text": ">> It's crazy. No, that's that's the story"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "I was telling you about recently is"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "back. Let me look it up. I I I don't"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "want to get any of the facts more"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "incorrect and I'm already going to get"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "them wrong. But"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> it says settlement records indicate her"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "lineage survived continuously in Iceland"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "over centuries, providing strong genetic"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "evidence of early transatlantic human"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "contact, intermarriages, and genetic"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "exchange centuries prior to Christopher"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "Columbus' western voyages across the"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "ocean."}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:58", "text": ">> Wow, that is so interesting. When the"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "Vikings went to North America, where did"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "they post up? this. Let me tell you, cuz"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "this is the story I had prepped last"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "time. Um, but no joke, but there is a"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "history of Viking and Native American"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "wars."}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:12", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:15", "text": ">> Imagine that, dude."}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:19", "text": ">> I mean, you have shields and swords and"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "axes and you have freaking like, bow"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "arrows and tomahawks."}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:24", "text": ">> This is crazy."}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:26", "text": ">> It's interesting because they they also"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "are very like they remind me of each"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "other. They're similar."}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:29", "text": ">> Yeah. culturally."}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:34", "text": ">> Even think about like how they what they"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "do to like PS like taking a scalp the"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "eagle thing like they were"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:40", "text": ">> Yeah. brutal."}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:42", "text": ">> I don't think they did that to PS,"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "right? They did that. That was like if"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "they were offended, deeply offended by"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:47", "text": ">> That's what they showed in the Viking"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "show."}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:53", "text": ">> Like it was like the gravest offense,"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "the best or the greatest revenge is"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "doing the eagle thing. But they scalped"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "people, too. I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:02", "text": ">> they did a lot of nasty things."}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:03", "text": ">> Not great people."}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:05", "text": ">> No. Well,"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:06", "text": ">> your people. No, her people. They"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "survived."}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:08", "text": ">> Just different morality. They just had"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "different morality cuz they didn't have"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "crime."}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:11", "text": ">> Same thing with the Vikings. Vikings"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "were just as terrible. Jimmy John's"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "hair."}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:14", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:17", "text": ">> Thank you, Elena. Everyone get up for"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "Elena."}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": ">> Why is she sad? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:24", "text": ">> It's like, hey, he doing this."}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:26", "text": ">> That's all her job is, just to bring us"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "food. Of course she's sad."}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:29", "text": ">> That's not her only job. She's an"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "amazing job. She does a lot."}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:32", "text": ">> Finish that."}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:33", "text": ">> Amazing employee."}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:36", "text": ">> All right. So,"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:37", "text": ">> what's happening? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:38", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:39", "text": ">> Let me tell you about the Vikings and"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "the Native Americans. I thought you were"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "going to go into her job. [laughter] Oh."}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:49", "text": ">> All right. So, a th00and BC."}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:50", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:51", "text": ">> Wait,"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:55", "text": ">> you guys got me scrambling. I was about"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "to get into it. 1,000 AD."}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:58", "text": ">> Wow. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:00", "text": ">> I was like that BC. There's no way."}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:01", "text": ">> Wait, the story is not that good."}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:02", "text": ">> All right. 1,000 BC."}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:05", "text": ">> AD."}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:06", "text": ">> Golly. All right. All right. Start over."}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:07", "text": ">> No. Welcome back to Ninjas and"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "Butterflies, guys. Episode two."}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:11", "text": ">> Set it up again. So, so we get into"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:15", "text": ">> Ladies and gentlemen, did you know that"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "the Vikings once had wars, battles on"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "North American soil against the Native"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "Americans?"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:19", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:22", "text": ">> I did not know that."}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:26", "text": ">> A th000 BC. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "Dang it. Oh man. And it happened in a"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "th000 a."}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:31", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:35", "text": ">> It's absolutely incredible. So"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:37", "text": ">> uh this is um ancestors of Native"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "Americans were chilling up in New"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "Finland,"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:41", "text": ">> right? All that area. They had a bunch"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "of tribes in that area."}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:47", "text": ">> Beautiful place."}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:49", "text": ">> Absolutely gorgeous. And then one day a"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "man named Thorvald Ericson. It's the"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "coolest names"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "relation to Leaf Ericson."}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:58", "text": ">> No way. They're related."}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:37:59", "text": ">> Yes, they are. It's all part of the"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "family, baby. And this is where it"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "happens."}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:04", "text": ">> This is uh um so you have these Native"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "Americans and you have these giant"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "wooden ships with a dragon on the front"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "rowing to your shore. And there was"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "rumors and there was talks of what's"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "happening. And um Thorvald Ericson"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "captured eight indigenous people and one"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "escapes after killing the other seven."}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:23", "text": ">> Oh gosh."}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:26", "text": ">> The one escapes, goes back to his"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "village trying to explain what happened"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "that these giant men with blonde hair"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "and like shields and armor and all this"}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "stuff and they come back."}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:37", "text": ">> Um I mean I just can't imagine just like"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "seeing these giant men with beards and"}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "stuff like it's just absolutely wild."}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "And so instead of um uh releasing all"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "the captains, they executed them. And"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "that's when the first war started. The"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "escape man returns back to the Vikings,"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "but with his whole village. They come in"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "canoes. Dozens, possibly they say even"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "hundreds of canoes coming up to these"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "Viking Viking ships. And the arrow"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "begins to arrows start flying absolutely"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "everywhere. Then suddenly Thorvald gets"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "hit. Oh no."}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:15", "text": ">> The Indians retreat."}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "Thorvald dies right there in the ship,"}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "but his last words are, \"I want you to"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "bury me here.\""}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:23", "text": ">> So they bury him in Newfoundland."}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:24", "text": ">> Oh, is this the curse of Oak Island or"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "No, keep going."}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:26", "text": ">> Oh, I don't know. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:27", "text": ">> I'll stop there."}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:28", "text": ">> But a lot of people think that's, you"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "know, kind of where it ended and maybe"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "they the Vikings retreated, but a couple"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "years later, Thorin Carl Sephini"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "Sephanie, no, Carl Sephan arrives."}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "um to literally start a whole colony."}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "Like they just, you know, colonize. He"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "has around 160 people, women, children,"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "farm animals, livestock. And they like"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "start creating a literal European colony"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "all right there."}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:54", "text": ">> And um this is like 500 years before"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "Jamestown."}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:57", "text": ">> And these are what ethnicity are these"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "people?"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:01", "text": ">> These are Vikings. These are So yeah,"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "these are these are all Vikings."}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:04", "text": ">> So there's peace for a while."}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "Everyone's, you know, chilling in their"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "own vibes. The Native Americans are"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "keeping their distance. Same thing with"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "Vikings. Um,"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:14", "text": ">> uh, and the indigenous people arrive at"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "their camp carrying beautiful animal"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "pellets. Pelts, not pellets. Pelts and"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "like, you know, furs and stuff like"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "that. Yeah, pellets. [laughter] Look at"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "this poop. And uh,"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:26", "text": ">> and the the Norse people, they have iron"}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "and something that the Native Americans"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "have literally never seen. They're"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "completely, you know,"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:33", "text": ">> Yeah. They just love it. They want to"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "trade weapons."}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:38", "text": ">> The Norse people say, \"No, thank you. We"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "do not want to trade weapons. Uh that's"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "not a good idea. So they start um they"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "uh propose we trade you something"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "better, milk."}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "And though they have all these cows and"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "so they start giving the Native"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "Americans milk and they love it. And so"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "that literally they give them the pelts"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "and the fur and everything like that."}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "And um then while one of the Native"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "Americans are in the Vikings camp, one"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "of them grabs an axe."}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:07", "text": ">> Oh boy."}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "And the Vikings panic and kills the man"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "with the axe."}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:12", "text": ">> And then the peace is over. The war"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "continues. And so"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:15", "text": ">> so they literally cried over spilled"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "milk."}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:17", "text": ">> Dang."}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:18", "text": ">> That's really what it is. That's where"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "it comes from."}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:25", "text": ">> Yeah. So arrows are flying tomahawks."}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "The the war is like everywhere."}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "Oh, let me see. I'm trying to remember"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "how Oh, this this is the one I the one"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "story I told you about. This is"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "absolutely crazy. During this battle,"}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "uh, how it ended is they had a lady, a"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "pregnant woman, pregnant Viking woman"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "named Freddy's, daughter of Eric the"}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "Red."}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:43", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:47", "text": ">> She refuses to flee. She stands up"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "before everyone. She grabs a sword,"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:52", "text": ">> reveals her chest, and starts"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:56", "text": ">> banging the sword against her bare"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "chest, screaming at the top of her"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "lungs. and the Native Americans uh do"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "what everyone else would do and they run"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "away as fast as they possibly can."}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "[laughter] And so um uh these these"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "things happened a lot, but the Vikings"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "uh population started to dwindle just a"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "little bit and they realized they would"}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:17", "text": "do better if they were on their own"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "land. So they chose to leave."}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:22", "text": ">> But this was all throughout years this"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "was all just like you know oral"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "tradition. This was stuff that was just"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "like, you know, things that were told"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "over fires in the rooms, written down a"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "little bit, but it was lost. Completely"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "lost until 1960."}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:34", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:38", "text": ">> Archaeologists uncovered an ancient"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "north settlement at Lands Meadows in"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "Newf Finland. I don't know how to"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "pronounce that. So, everything that"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "they've heard about, everything, all the"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "stories they've been told is just"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "confirmed right then and there. There"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "were wells, there were um walls built,"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "everything settlements that all led back"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "to the Norse uh uh uh like you know,"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "history and everything like that."}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:01", "text": ">> Very cool. Completely crazy. Before"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "Columbus, before all this baloney, the"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "Vikings were freaking there, dude."}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:05", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:08", "text": ">> Absolutely wild."}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:10", "text": ">> I wonder if the farming in New Finland"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "was any better than Norway. Because"}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "wasn't that like part of their whole"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:15", "text": "motivation was that they were starving"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "in the winter months and they wanted to"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "have sustainable farming?"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:19", "text": ">> I think that's one of the theories."}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:23", "text": ">> But also they just like got to conquer."}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:24", "text": ">> Dude, Newfoundland. What a place to"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "land."}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:26", "text": ">> My goodness."}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:26", "text": ">> So pretty."}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:28", "text": ">> Dang,"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:30", "text": ">> dude. That one happened to him."}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:31", "text": ">> That dirt episode on in Newfoundland."}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:33", "text": ">> Gorgeous. It makes me like I want to"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "move there. Brennan just went Brennan"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "went for a couple weeks after his um"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:40", "text": ">> Yeah, he went for a two week"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:41", "text": ">> backpacking trip in Newf Finland"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:42", "text": ">> just for fun."}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:44", "text": ">> Yeah, him and the other brothers."}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:45", "text": ">> Kathy and Brian were so worried they got"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "him like a satphone and stuff like that"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "cuz there's like crazy"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:50", "text": ">> because they went they went off trail."}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "They were doing offtra hiking through"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "Newfoundland."}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:53", "text": ">> The coolest."}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:55", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:56", "text": ">> dude. Just to be a tagline. I wish we"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "could have just gone,"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:00", "text": ">> dude. Yeah, it seemed really intense. Uh"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "but that reminded me I mean just like"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "Vikings were crazy dude like they they"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "went everywhere"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:06", "text": ">> brutal. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:07", "text": ">> This is one of the coolest things is the"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:11", "text": "in Constantinople the Orthodox church"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "that was built there during the time of"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "Constantine and stuff. Um the Hagi"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "Sophia is that what it is?"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:20", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:22", "text": ">> Hagia Sophia or whatever. in the upper"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "part or the second floor on the"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "banister. It's like one of the first"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "recorded um vandalisms and it's a Viking"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "name."}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:32", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:34", "text": ">> Yeah. So Vikings stormed Constantinople"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "and it's to this day you can see it on"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "they have it on the banister and it's"}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "literally the guy's name. He just wrote"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "his name which is uh Halon or Havdon"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "which they said is basically like saying"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "Halon was here."}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:49", "text": ">> Yeah. How funny. Like they're running"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "away after the battle is like, \"Dude, I"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "tagged their player.\" What? You did"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "what? I tagged I wrote my name. What?"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "You What did you write? I wrote my name."}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:58", "text": ">> Now they're going to know who did it."}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:45:00", "text": ">> It sounds so sick, but it's like the"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "equivalent of like me writing Andrew."}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:03", "text": ">> Yeah, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:05", "text": ">> it was the first tag in history. What do"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "you think they're going to do? Come on."}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:10", "text": ">> Oh, and then another name. Um, let's"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "see. Or wait, there's another"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "inscription."}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "I don't I'm not even going to try to say"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "that. It's so hard."}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:21", "text": ">> Own it. Um"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "Bora Runar Pear."}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:25", "text": ">> That's it."}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:28", "text": ">> Um you know that name."}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Um let's see. A short incription"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "generally read as Arie."}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:33", "text": ">> Arie."}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:35", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:36", "text": ">> Arie Barney."}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:37", "text": ">> Yeah. It's not really giving me the"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "translation here. I'll send the picture"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "though. I mean that's such a cool"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:42", "text": ">> like there's so much history at that"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "Hagi Sophia."}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:48", "text": ">> Yeah. um like the fact that it was"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "during the Byzantine Empire, which this"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "is the first time in my life just from"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "going to Orthodox church and whatnot."}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "Like I know nothing about the Byzantine"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "Empire"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:45:57", "text": ">> either."}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:00", "text": ">> And so I just started doing research."}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "I'm like there's so much I mean history"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "like the Byzantine Byzantine Empire"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "lasted like over a thousand years and it"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "was a part of Rome. It was like Rome's"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "second capital. Okay. and then Rome"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "diminished or whatever and then it was"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "the Byzantine Empire."}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "But just so much happened there and then"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "it was taken over by the Ottomans and"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "then just like so that church the Haggi"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "Sophia has been standing for like over a"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "thousand years or something like that"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "and it's been it was a Christian um"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "church and then it was a Muslim church"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "and then Turkey was forming uh formed"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "and then it turned into basically a"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "museum. Now it's a Burger King."}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:42", "text": ">> And now it's a Burger [laughter] King."}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "No, then they turned it back into a"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "mosque."}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:50", "text": ">> Is that Is that where the um nuns were?"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "Where the"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "where they were hurt?"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:53", "text": ">> Whoops. I accidentally sent that to the"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "Hooper."}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:55", "text": ">> I was [clears throat] going to say it"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "hasn't showed up yet. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:57", "text": ">> Wait."}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:46:58", "text": ">> Oh, I was like, I got it."}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:00", "text": ">> My family's going to be so confused like"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "what?"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:02", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:04", "text": ">> you guys should know history more."}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:06", "text": ">> But yeah, do research on the Byzantine"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "Empire because it's fascinating."}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:12", "text": ">> Very fascinating. What a terrible like"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "sketchy looking"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "language."}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:16", "text": ">> And that probably took him like 30"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "minutes."}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:20", "text": ">> I have Nordic on my hand right there."}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:21", "text": ">> What is that for?"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:22", "text": ">> Means harvest."}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:23", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:24", "text": ">> that's what they told me anyways."}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:26", "text": ">> Yeah, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:26", "text": ">> it's a stick and poke."}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:29", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:31", "text": ">> that's fun."}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:32", "text": ">> That is so cool. Is that marble?"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:36", "text": ">> Awesome. But have you seen that? But"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "what's cool too about the Hagi Sophia, I"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "think I'm saying that right. It's like"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "Hagia Sophia is there's these giant um"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "um mosaic tile uh icons all in there."}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:54", "text": ">> And then during the um there's a part in"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "history, I'm going to totally butcher"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "this, but there was like called like the"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "iconic class where the church was like"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "no icons, yes icons. Yeah. And so the"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "emperor basically covered up all the um"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "iconography iconography in the church"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "[clears throat] and then it turned into"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "a mosque and while it was a mosque there"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "was a giant there's a lot of earthquakes"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "in this u in Constantinople but this one"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "earthquake shook the church and the"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "walls fell revealing the icons of like"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "Jesus and stuff. So to this day you can"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "go see those same icons in the church"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:29", "text": ">> dude"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:31", "text": ">> and it's a mosque. Yeah, that's"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "everybody's seen that depiction"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:33", "text": ">> that's from there."}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:36", "text": ">> Wow. That's super cool."}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:39", "text": ">> Which I think it's rad cuz there's a"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "mosque, but there's still boom Jesus."}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:41", "text": ">> You know,"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:42", "text": ">> well, we can't get rid of them because"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "of the know what happened last time."}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:46", "text": ">> Yeah, we can't do that."}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:49", "text": ">> What you know about Icon Living?"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:49", "text": ">> Oo,"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "I just came up with that."}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:52", "text": ">> That's really good."}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:54", "text": ">> Thanks, man."}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:55", "text": ">> Um, speaking of Icon Living, did you"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "know that we GOT AN AD? DON'T GO"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "ANYWHERE. OW, THAT HURT MY THROAT."}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:48:59", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:05", "text": ">> NO,"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:06", "text": ">> JOSH. We don't have mics."}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:06", "text": ">> Josh."}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:10", "text": ">> You ever feel like you want more swag in"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "your life?"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:12", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:13", "text": ">> Where could you possibly go?"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:14", "text": ">> You tell me."}, {"start": "00:49:13", "end": "00:49:16", "text": ">> Sundaycoolswag.com."}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "Josh, all the finest merch in all the"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "land. Ninjas merch. Sunday cool merch."}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:23", "text": ">> What else?"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:25", "text": ">> What else more do you want?"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:27", "text": ">> The world. Andy, I want the world."}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:28", "text": ">> I'll give it to you, sweetheart. You"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "want the moon? I'll give you the moon,"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "Josh. I'll throw a lash around it and"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "pull it down for you. But you got TO GO"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "TO SOMEDAYWAG.COM FIRST."}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:37", "text": ">> You think they heard us even though we"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "don't have mics on?"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:40", "text": ">> We'll find out."}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:43", "text": ">> Find out. Find out."}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:43", "text": ">> Find out."}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:51", "text": ">> You can you can eat while I talk about"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "my Montana trip real quick. Okay."}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:55", "text": ">> I got to send you guys a photo. Couple"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "photos."}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "First of all, I found out how cool my"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "grandpa is."}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:02", "text": ">> How cool is he? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:04", "text": ">> Oh, I'll show you. All right, look at"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "look at the group chat real quick. My"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "grandpa is the one on the guy's"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "shoulders."}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:09", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:12", "text": ">> Oh, cool."}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:14", "text": ">> He's the one on the shoulders."}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:16", "text": ">> The one [laughter] the one on the left,"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "just so you know."}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:19", "text": ">> Little just like you."}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "Um, this is him when he was in the"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "military in Canada. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "the freaking dopest dude."}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "He also went by Andy."}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:30", "text": ">> Did he really?"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:32", "text": ">> Yeah. His name was Andrew. I'm like I"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "don't know how many generations, but"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:35", "text": ">> Canadian."}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:37", "text": ">> No, he served in Canada."}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:38", "text": ">> Listen, you can't talk without a"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "microphone."}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:40", "text": ">> Yeah. You at least have the microphone"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "close to you."}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:44", "text": ">> Bull rider, huh,"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:46", "text": ">> dude? Apparently, he was a stud. They"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "have a memorial uh cuz they called him"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "Chub. His nickname was Chub ever since"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "he was a kid."}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:52", "text": ">> Oh, that's yours from his Andy Chub"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:55", "text": "Holene was his name. And they have a"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "memorial belt buckle for uh at the local"}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "rodeo."}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:50:58", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:01", "text": ">> And so I'm hoping one day I can get it,"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:05", "text": ">> dude. A vlog"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "to go back and watch Andy Denoon try to"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "reclaim his granddad's buckle."}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:13", "text": ">> I'll do it. I'll do it. Also, here's a"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "picture of me as a baby that I found."}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "Look how cute I was. Also,"}, {"start": "00:51:17", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "look what's in my hand."}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:22", "text": ">> A harmonica."}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:22", "text": ">> A harmonica. Mickey and Mickey Mouse is"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "on my shirt."}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:25", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:26", "text": ">> Florida was calling me this whole time."}, {"start": "00:51:25", "end": "00:51:27", "text": ">> Prophecy. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:31", "text": ">> The prophecy."}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:32", "text": ">> The prophecy continues."}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:33", "text": ">> That was"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "a weird."}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:37", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:39", "text": ">> Have the microphone at least in your"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "general direction."}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:41", "text": ">> You don't have to be close to it so you"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "can't hear you."}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:45", "text": ">> But you have to have a little bit."}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:46", "text": ">> No, they're not. They're only going to"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "hear you speak. Don't have it."}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:51", "text": ">> Watch out for your drink."}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:54", "text": ">> Right there. That's enough for at least"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "you can lean in and say something."}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:56", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:00", "text": ">> but uh it was really dope. We literally"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "uh we Zola was too young to ride"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "Clydesdalees or horses. Everything had"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "restrictions unfortunately. Um but we"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "did go hang out with some Clydesells at"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "Clydesdale Outpost. Whitefish Montana."}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "Super super dope. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "we went to Glacier and dude, I didn't"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "know how Glacier was how crazy stuff has"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "been happening in Glacier before we even"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "got there. Not only in June did they"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "have the the grizzly attack, the guy got"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "killed on the trail, right? We knew"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:34", "text": ">> But right before we got there, about a"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "week before, there was a uh lady and her"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "husband honeymooning in Glacier National"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "Park eight days after their wedding. She"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "got in a little spat with her husband"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "about being nervous about married, being"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "newly married, and like kind of had some"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "issues and stuff. Ends up pushing her"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "husband over the cliff."}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:52", "text": ">> Holy crap."}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:54", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:54", "text": ">> Yes. You can look at there's articles"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "about"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:57", "text": ">> And he died."}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:53:00", "text": ">> And he died. And guess how many years"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "she got? 30 years."}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:03", "text": ">> Oh, dang."}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:03", "text": ">> Crazy. That happened a week before we"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "got there."}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:06", "text": ">> I bet she's just I mean filled with"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "regret."}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:10", "text": ">> Oh my god. I mean, probably not probably"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "about getting caught."}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:14", "text": ">> My dad told me there was a story. I I'm"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "pretty sure it was glacier, but I could"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "be wrong."}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:16", "text": ">> The rock."}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:17", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:18", "text": ">> Okay. All right."}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:19", "text": ">> This was like uh two weeks before you"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "went."}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:22", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:25", "text": ">> There's a guy hiking on a trail, like a"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "very narrow trail up the mountain."}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:29", "text": ">> Grizzly bear on this trail turns the"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "corner"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:35", "text": ">> and the bear comes after him. He falls"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "off the cliff. It was like 75 ft. Breaks"}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "his leg."}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "They found him."}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "The bear had gone down the cliff."}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "His bear spray was completely empty."}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:49", "text": ">> Dang."}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:52", "text": ">> And he was mauled to death."}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:52", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. I didn't hear about that."}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:54", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:55", "text": ">> dude. I mean, it was wild cuz there's a"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "lot of stuff happening. Two days before"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "we went there, a guy's driving his Jeep"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:03", "text": ">> with no roof. Not me anymore."}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:06", "text": ">> No roof. Going up going to the Sun Road."}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:08", "text": "The same road that we took. Beautiful."}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "A rock comes loose."}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:13", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:16", "text": ">> From the mountain, hits this dude in the"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "head while driving. Completely knocks"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "him out. Just crushes him. They have to"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "lifellight him. I saw the foot. I saw a"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "helicopter. I mean, we didn't see it. I"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "saw it on TikTok a couple days before we"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "got there. A red helicopter coming"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "through Glacier National Park because"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "they're like, \"Oh, somebody had to be"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "lifellighted.\" The guy had to be"}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:35", "text": "lifellighted. I think he survived. But"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "golly, I think he survived."}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:40", "text": ">> So freaking scary. But every single day"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "that we were there in Montana, it was so"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "hazy and foggy cuz they're having crazy"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "wildfires in Canada, Oregon, all these"}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "places. But let me see. I have We flew"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "over the wildfires in the night."}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:54", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:55", "text": ">> And it looks apocalyptic, dude."}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:54:57", "text": ">> Look at these photos."}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:59", "text": ">> You can fly over a wildfire,"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:01", "text": ">> girl. You can fly over anything."}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:02", "text": ">> Going fast enough, high enough. Did you"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "go fast enough? However, you vlog over"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "anything. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:06", "text": ">> Oh my word. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:07", "text": ">> Isn't that crazy? Doesn't that look like"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "a volcano?"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:11", "text": ">> Whoa, dude. You took those?"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:12", "text": ">> Kelsey did."}, {"start": "00:55:11", "end": "00:55:13", "text": ">> Dang, dude."}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:16", "text": ">> Where are these from? Where?"}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:17", "text": ">> That was on our way to Seattle. So, that"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "was outside Seattle."}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:21", "text": ">> Yeah, you guys learned quite a lesson"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:21", "text": "this trip, too, about booking flights."}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:25", "text": ">> Dude, Spokane was on fire. Did you not"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "see the footage?"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:28", "text": ">> I did. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:29", "text": ">> Like the houses, like million-dollar"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "houses. It was not like, oh, it was not"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "on the outskirts of town."}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": ">> I saw like a week or so ago that they"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "said like over 60,000 people have been"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "evacuated."}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Absolutely. Wild, dude. It was"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "right there. Get Do you know who started"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:42", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:44", "text": ">> Do you remember like I think it was like"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "10 years ago there was a guy"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:49", "text": ">> Prometheus the statue. Yep."}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:49", "text": ">> He stole from the from Zeus."}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:50", "text": ">> Dang."}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:50", "text": ">> Fire from Zeus."}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:53", "text": ">> Who started it?"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:55", "text": ">> Um the there was a man who killed his"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "own father. Okay."}, {"start": "00:55:55", "end": "00:55:58", "text": ">> In Arizona."}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:01", "text": ">> Okay. because he his father asked him to"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:03", "text": "do the dishes. You remember that story?"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:03", "text": ">> Yeah. A little bit deeper than just"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:07", "text": ">> Well, I mean that's a pretty bunch of"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "stuff. That's not really a broad stroke."}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "That's a very specific situation doing"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "dishes, too."}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:14", "text": ">> I know that I'm like same. Um but"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:16", "text": ">> uh yeah, he was released after I think"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "he was only given like 10 years or"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "something like that and then he went to"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "Spokane and just started a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "fires"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:25", "text": ">> and they caught him."}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:26", "text": ">> Troubled man."}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Crazy."}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:27", "text": ">> Crazy."}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:29", "text": ">> Yeah, but it was fun."}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:31", "text": ">> Sounds like dude got led out after 10"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:32", "text": "years to go and do it."}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:34", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:36", "text": ">> possibly. Possibly."}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:37", "text": ">> Very strange. It was a good trip."}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:38", "text": ">> That was awesome."}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:39", "text": ">> Yeah, it was fun."}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:41", "text": ">> Yeah, Montana's freaking dope."}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:41", "text": ">> Yeah. You'll have to visit sometime."}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:43", "text": ">> My homeland."}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:47", "text": ">> Can I terrify you guys?"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:48", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:56:47", "end": "00:56:50", "text": ">> Good."}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:51", "text": ">> Is this your real?"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:53", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:55", "text": ">> you want to do that? You want to do"}, {"start": "00:56:53", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "that? Well, we still got"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:57:00", "text": ">> we still got that uh question."}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:02", "text": ">> Andrew has something to show us."}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:06", "text": ">> We could double up. He could double up"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "on his thing."}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:10", "text": ">> Who's going?"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:11", "text": ">> Okay. Andrew, go."}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:13", "text": ">> We already did the intro."}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:17", "text": ">> Okay. So, I go,"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:19", "text": ">> you go. Would you rather"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "have"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "$1 million deposited into your account"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:25", "text": "every year?"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:30", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:33", "text": ">> But the stipulation is you will randomly"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "and unannounced be teleported somewhere"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "random in the world"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "with no warning. Zero warning. And it"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "could be anywhere. I mean, you could be"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "teleported into the Amazon River. You"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "could be teleported into"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:45", "text": ">> middle of the ocean."}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:46", "text": ">> The middle of the ocean. You could be"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "teleported into"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:48", "text": ">> for how long?"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:49", "text": ">> The Bahamas on a vacation."}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:50", "text": ">> You're there and you have to find your"}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:51", "text": "way back."}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:53", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:54", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:57", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:58", "text": ">> Or you could be teleported to France and"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:57:59", "text": "have a"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:00", "text": ">> I'd rather be in the middle of the"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:01", "text": ">> probably get murdered. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:04", "text": ">> Or you could be teleported to Yeah."}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "You're basically living like time"}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "traveler's wife. But"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:08", "text": ">> I have a follow question to this one"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "that that"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:10", "text": ">> Or just keep your current life."}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:11", "text": ">> Keep it."}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:12", "text": ">> Okay. Question."}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:14", "text": ">> Yeah. Keep it."}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:17", "text": ">> Do I get"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "Do I get the first year"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "until I get the Do I get a million"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:22", "text": "dollars now"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:23", "text": "and then I live the first year or do I"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:25", "text": "get it I have to live now for another"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "year and at the very end of that year I"}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "get a million dollars. When do I get the"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:30", "text": "first million?"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:32", "text": ">> I Why does that matter?"}, {"start": "00:58:30", "end": "00:58:32", "text": ">> Well, it matters to me because I asked"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "the question."}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:34", "text": ">> Well, it"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:36", "text": ">> it matters because you can prepare"}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "yourself to be transported anywhere. I'd"}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "be wearing a life jacket everywhere I"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "went."}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:41", "text": ">> Correct."}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:42", "text": ">> I'd have a I've I would have a track."}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:43", "text": ">> That was going to be my follow-up"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:46", "text": "question. a satphone."}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:48", "text": ">> How are you preparing which costion?"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:48", "text": ">> Answer my question. When do I get the"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "first million?"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:51", "text": ">> I don't know why that matters. Explain"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "to me why that matters."}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:53", "text": ">> You're asking questions and I could say"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "why does that matter, Lily? But I don't"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "because you know what? I'm having the"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "conversation. I'm asking you when do I"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "get the first million."}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:02", "text": ">> In my head, it was you get it from the"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "RIP, but you're going to be teleported."}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:05", "text": ">> Cool. Perfect. As soon as I get the"}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "million when you're gonna be You don't"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "know when you're gonna It could be"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "anytime this year. As soon as I get the"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "million dollars, I'm paying one person"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "that I trust, Alan Thomas perhaps, that"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "says at the drop of a hat, \"Hey, you're"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "a busy dude.\" He's not doing anything."}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:17", "text": ">> He just had a kid."}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:19", "text": ">> He just had a baby."}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:20", "text": ">> He's not doing a job anymore. He"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "literally has a job."}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:24", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:28", "text": ">> Allan, he has a mustache. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:30", "text": ">> He's I give him $100,000 and I say,"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "\"Here's my location.\" I buy some type of"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "device with the money that I have and I"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "say at this anytime throughout the next"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "year, I'm going to buzz you and you must"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "drop everything. I don't care if you're"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "holding your baby, you drop it and you"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "come rescue me and you use those funds"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "to come rescue me. Whatever's left over,"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "you keep. That's a good deal."}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:50", "text": ">> I agree with you and that's fair play in"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "my opinion."}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:53", "text": ">> And that's why I asked you because if I"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "have to wait a million million at the"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "end of the year, then it's like I might"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "00:59:59", "text": "not survive. A risk that you also"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "partake in is that you might freaking"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "teleport to the campfire of some"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "unreached people group that's going to"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "get you with a spear."}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:08", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:10", "text": ">> So, how are you preparing for that?"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:12", "text": ">> I would keep cigarettes in my pocket. I"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "think cigarettes are the best brokering"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "tool."}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:15", "text": ">> The the universal uh"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:18", "text": ">> Yeah. That's funny."}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:20", "text": ">> Have you seen the thing? There's like a"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "a military kit where it's like a certain"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "amount of money, a pack of cigarettes,"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "like candy and something else, and it'll"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "like get you anywhere in the world."}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:26", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:29", "text": ">> A cigarette can open up any"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "conversation. I learned that from Mike K"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "on YouTube."}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:35", "text": ">> Kids remember that. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:36", "text": ">> I think I think I still have to turn"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "down the money though, cuz there are"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "places in the world that just to get"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "there, it takes longer. I mean, it takes"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "longer to get there than you can survive"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "without water. But if it's a complete"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "lottery of just like a spin of like just"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "random anywhere, most of the time you're"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "probably going to end up somewhere"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:53", "text": "that's manageable."}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:55", "text": ">> How do you how do you go"}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:57", "text": ">> manageable as in maybe not like"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "convenient, but not like you're dying"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "right away."}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:01", "text": ">> How do you live your life, though?"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:04", "text": ">> Well, if it's random, it's just the"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:05", "text": "ocean is the probable spot you land."}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:08", "text": ">> Guess what? I'm always wearing one of"}, {"start": "01:01:05", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "those collapsible rafts."}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:12", "text": ">> Wear that every single day of my life. I"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:14", "text": "would be a millionaire,"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:16", "text": "multi-millionaire for years."}, {"start": "01:01:14", "end": "01:01:18", "text": ">> I would get a keychain and a keychain"}, {"start": "01:01:16", "end": "01:01:21", "text": "would have an inflatable raft, a life"}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:23", "text": "straw. Can you do ocean water with a"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "life straw though? You can't. No."}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:25", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:27", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:01:25", "end": "01:01:28", "text": ">> Like a doggy bowl that I could collect"}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "rain water in. But what if it doesn't"}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "rain, dude?"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:35", "text": ">> The doll drums. [laughter] No rain."}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:37", "text": ">> No rain. There's no rain for my bowl."}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:39", "text": ">> Allan's on his way with a 24 pack of"}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:42", "text": "Zephr Hill spring water. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "My boy Allan will help me."}, {"start": "01:01:42", "end": "01:01:44", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:46", "text": ">> why Allan?"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:47", "text": ">> He's got a mustache, Lil. He's the most"}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "confident man I know."}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:50", "text": ">> He's so capable. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:51", "text": ">> Yes. He I feel like he could literally"}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "do anything."}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:55", "text": ">> I had to give that guy a ride to work"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "cuz his Honda broke down."}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:01:59", "text": ">> That's the man you're picking."}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:02:00", "text": ">> I don't care. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:02", "text": ">> He's capable."}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:04", "text": ">> He's capable. He gave me a ride back to"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "the airport when I first visited you"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "guys."}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:08", "text": ">> I didn't even know him. And Kelsey was"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "passed out in the back seat. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:11", "text": "I think she was just overwhelmed,"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:13", "text": ">> over stimulated. She's like,"}, {"start": "01:02:11", "end": "01:02:14", "text": ">> the possibility of moving to Florida,"}, {"start": "01:02:13", "end": "01:02:17", "text": ">> making me move here."}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:19", "text": ">> All right, what did you have?"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:22", "text": ">> Well, I got a reel if we're staying in"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "order."}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:28", "text": ">> I can't hear the song."}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:30", "text": ">> You can't? I can't [music] hear it now."}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:32", "text": ">> Just do it all by yourself. Andrew's got"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "a real"}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "and he's going to show us right now. Two"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:39", "text": "things."}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "[laughter] Show us two things."}, {"start": "01:02:39", "end": "01:02:42", "text": ">> It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:44", "text": ">> I misunderstood that. I thought two"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "things you were like going to continue"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "so I left the beat going for. But you"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "don't know that."}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:51", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:52", "text": "Open your phones."}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "[sighs]"}, {"start": "01:02:52", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "This is just"}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:57", "text": ">> I took a break from shock factor and"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:02:58", "text": "thank you."}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:01", "text": ">> A lot of people love the real last week"}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "though. [laughter] Well, I got one if we"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:04", "text": "want to go back to that sort of the"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "maggots and the gums. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:09", "text": ">> I thought about that for days, dude. I"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "thought, how do you not know?"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:12", "text": ">> Brush my teeth."}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:15", "text": ">> How do you not know? But his nerves have"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "the first knees JUST"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:17", "text": ">> OH MY GOSH."}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:20", "text": ">> OH MY [laughter] GOSH. What bugged me"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "too is that his teeth looked white"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "and then there were maggots. So like"}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:25", "text": ">> Well, they're they're cleaning."}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:26", "text": ">> That's not what you seen. You ever seen"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "like an animal carcass in the woods?"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:32", "text": ">> Stop. Everyone stop."}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "I don't want to talk about that anymore."}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "This is just crazy."}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:36", "text": ">> All right, this is a video job I'll"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "never take."}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:40", "text": ">> Three, two, one, go."}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:42", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "01:03:40", "end": "01:03:45", "text": ">> So, it's a race. There's horses running"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:47", "text": "in camera guy right in the middle. How"}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "scary a position to be in."}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:52", "text": "[screaming and cheering]"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:52", "text": ">> Oh. Oh,"}, {"start": "01:03:52", "end": "01:03:54", "text": ">> dude."}, {"start": "01:03:52", "end": "01:03:55", "text": ">> You kind of just know that was going to"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "01:03:55", "end": "01:03:58", "text": ">> Oh my god. I mean, it seems like"}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:03:59", "text": ">> poor horse."}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:02", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:03:59", "end": "01:04:03", "text": ">> the camera motion wasn't really moving."}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:04", "text": ">> Seems like he could have just left the"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "tripod up."}, {"start": "01:04:04", "end": "01:04:08", "text": ">> Well, the other two jump. The other two"}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "dudes like get out the way."}, {"start": "01:04:08", "end": "01:04:11", "text": ">> Seems like you didn't really need to"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "have a cameraman there, though."}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:14", "text": ">> Just roll the camera, step back."}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:16", "text": ">> The other thing, there's a really cool"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:17", "text": "thing that people can do. It's called a"}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "zoom lens."}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:20", "text": ">> Yeah. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:20", "text": ">> And go really far back and get that same"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "shot"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:24", "text": ">> or even put them I mean, yeah, there's a"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "hundred things you can do other than"}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:27", "text": "what they did. The cameraman never dies"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "though."}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:31", "text": ">> He actually did die in that."}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:32", "text": ">> No, you saw the second POV."}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:33", "text": ">> Never die."}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:34", "text": ">> I mean, we can do shock factor if we"}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "want one."}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:38", "text": ">> Let's do it. Come on. Bring it on."}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:40", "text": ">> If it tame, make it tame."}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:42", "text": ">> If it's maggots, I'm"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:43", "text": ">> Dude, my threshold my threshold. I'm"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:44", "text": "here."}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:45", "text": ">> Don't."}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:46", "text": ">> And for that reason,"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:48", "text": ">> do not."}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:50", "text": ">> I have one that is like"}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:51", "text": ">> Come on. Just send it, dude."}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:53", "text": ">> All right. I got to screen record it cuz"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:55", "text": "I forgot she doesn't have Instagram and"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "I wasn't going to do that. All right,"}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "screen recorded. I'll just cut this"}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:04:59", "text": "down."}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:01", "text": ">> Yeah, I actually have no idea what's"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:01", "text": "going on in the world at all. So, this"}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "is good."}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:03", "text": ">> It's kind of good."}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:05", "text": ">> This is good to learn something."}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:07", "text": ">> Kelsey hasn't been on social media all"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "year and I've just blown up her um"}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:10", "text": "Instagram DMs with [laughter] everything"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "that I think is funny or that she would"}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "love. I'm like, December 31st, you're"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "just gonna have to spend like six hours"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:19", "text": "just going through all the res."}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:20", "text": ">> All right, ready? This is why I will"}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "never run."}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:27", "text": ">> Three, two, one. Oh gosh."}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:32", "text": ">> What? I missed it. I missed it."}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:32", "text": ">> Yikes."}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:34", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:37", "text": ">> Mama. [screaming]"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:38", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:05:37", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "[gasps]"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:40", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:40", "text": ">> why did that happen to him? He's a"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:43", "text": "runner."}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:45", "text": ">> Foot got soggy and nail bed."}, {"start": "01:05:43", "end": "01:05:47", "text": ">> He's a runner. He's a track. He ain't"}, {"start": "01:05:45", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "got no toile."}, {"start": "01:05:47", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "Oh gosh. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "Oh. Um I we I have that one thing I"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:54", "text": "needed to show you guys. Remember I"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:56", "text": "showed you Josh and like, \"Oh, we need"}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "to show this on"}, {"start": "01:05:56", "end": "01:06:01", "text": ">> Remember how Aya lost her toenail in"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "California on our trip,"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:03", "text": ">> Andy?\""}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:05", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I do remember that. That was"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "awful. What if she dropped the full cup"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "of glass?"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:10", "text": ">> A cup of water on it. Yeah. And we went"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:12", "text": "and got our nails done before our trip"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "and the Vietnamese guy, he's like,"}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:18", "text": "\"Where your nail?"}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:19", "text": ">> Where your nail at?\" Hey. Um, dude. RIP"}, {"start": "01:06:18", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "Michaels."}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:24", "text": ">> Oh, dude. I know, [gasps] man. Best pork"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "chop I've ever had in my life."}, {"start": "01:06:24", "end": "01:06:26", "text": ">> And I never got to try it."}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:28", "text": ">> So bummed."}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:29", "text": ">> Even when they recommended it. Was it"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "Andrew? Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:32", "text": ">> Heard it from who? Who was"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:35", "text": ">> Oh, what what was his name? Tran."}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:36", "text": ">> Oh yeah. Um, okay. Does everyone have"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "Google Maps?"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:38", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:39", "text": ">> Okay. Open Google Maps."}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:41", "text": ">> I don't have Google Maps."}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:44", "text": ">> Download it real quick."}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:46", "text": ">> Apple Maps are the best. They're"}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:48", "text": "literally Google, but"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:49", "text": ">> is it Google Maps or Google Earth?"}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:50", "text": ">> Google Maps."}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:52", "text": ">> Okay. Okay."}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:55", "text": ">> Okay, I'm there."}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:57", "text": ">> Still golly me telling you to download"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:07:00", "text": "it and you don't want to download it."}, {"start": "01:06:57", "end": "01:07:01", "text": ">> I got to download an app for a story."}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:03", "text": ">> It's not the story. It's the thing you"}, {"start": "01:07:01", "end": "01:07:04", "text": "TOLD ME TO SHARE ON THURSDAY."}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:05", "text": ">> I know what it is."}, {"start": "01:07:04", "end": "01:07:07", "text": ">> Then don't download it."}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:10", "text": ">> I'm already downloading it."}, {"start": "01:07:07", "end": "01:07:11", "text": ">> All right. Go to 510 East Alfred's Wi-Fi"}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "sucks."}, {"start": "01:07:11", "end": "01:07:12", "text": ">> You want to take a walk?"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:13", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:14", "text": ">> Go."}, {"start": "01:07:13", "end": "01:07:16", "text": ">> Fine."}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:18", "text": ">> Okay. Okay, I'm at 510 East Alfred."}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:20", "text": ">> Okay, now I want you to go as if you're"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:22", "text": "going to the fire station, but go to"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "like that entrance of Sunday cool"}, {"start": "01:07:22", "end": "01:07:25", "text": ">> like on the map"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:27", "text": ">> like Yeah, your street view. So, click"}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "on it and then go to street view."}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:29", "text": ">> Okay, so directions and then street"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:31", "text": "view."}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:33", "text": ">> I've seen this."}, {"start": "01:07:31", "end": "01:07:34", "text": ">> Hold on, everybody."}, {"start": "01:07:33", "end": "01:07:34", "text": ">> You've seen it?"}, {"start": "01:07:34", "end": "01:07:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:07:34", "end": "01:07:37", "text": ">> What do you How do you do it?"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:38", "text": ">> How do you do street view?"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:39", "text": ">> Bottom left corner, there should be a"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:41", "text": "little box."}, {"start": "01:07:39", "end": "01:07:44", "text": ">> Someone sent me a DM with it."}, {"start": "01:07:41", "end": "01:07:44", "text": ">> Oh, it's the top left. This is not"}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "happening for me."}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:47", "text": ">> Long press the screen."}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:48", "text": ">> I'll just send a screenshot if that's"}, {"start": "01:07:47", "end": "01:07:49", "text": "easier."}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:49", "text": ">> This is where you're going, right?"}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:52", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:55", "text": ">> Oh gosh. What am I going to see?"}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:58", "text": ">> Is it me? What?"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:07:58", "text": ">> Wait, where am I? I'm up the road."}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:02", "text": ">> How is that possible?"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:02", "text": ">> I'm at the State Farm building. Is that"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:04", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:05", "text": ">> You should be right in front of Sunday."}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:06", "text": "Cool."}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:06", "text": ">> I'll just send a photo."}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:08", "text": ">> How do I get there?"}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:09", "text": ">> I'll just send a photo."}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:13", "text": ">> I didn't think this was going to be an"}, {"start": "01:08:09", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "ordeal for everybody."}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "Dude, hot take. And it's right that"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "Google is the superior [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "navigation."}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:23", "text": ">> What is"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:25", "text": ">> Google?"}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:27", "text": ">> It's me. How funny is that? I pull I was"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:29", "text": "pulling out and I saw on like a big van."}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "I was like, I think that's a Google Maps"}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:31", "text": "van. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:33", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:34", "text": ">> that was months ago. So funny."}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:37", "text": ">> Oh, it's so funny. What we were talking"}, {"start": "01:08:34", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "the other day about Jeeps. I think I was"}, {"start": "01:08:37", "end": "01:08:40", "text": "talking about how I didn't want my girls"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "to be interested in riding in a Jeep"}, {"start": "01:08:40", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "because they're so impractical and their"}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:49", "text": "crash test is terrible and deadly."}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:50", "text": ">> And Josh was like I was like remember"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:51", "text": "while you're out there."}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:52", "text": ">> Remember that Jeep your dad used to"}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "drive and Josh was like my dad never"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "drove a Jeep. And I was like yes he did."}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:08:59", "text": "Do you remember that time that he never"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:09:01", "text": "he didn't put the parking brake on in"}, {"start": "01:08:59", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "front of Sunday cool and Julip was in"}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:04", "text": "the car?"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:07", "text": ">> I've seen the [laughter] video. It's so"}, {"start": "01:09:04", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "funny. And she jumps out and rolling."}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "Steve's running back in his flip flops."}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:12", "text": ">> Oh, shoot. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "[gasps]"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:14", "text": ">> So stink."}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:15", "text": ">> Are we going to cut this part out? Can I"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:16", "text": "tell you something?"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:18", "text": ">> No, I'll tell you later."}, {"start": "01:09:16", "end": "01:09:20", "text": ">> No. Yeah, it's almost later."}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:21", "text": ">> Um, I heard you"}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:22", "text": ">> something funny that Steve said while we"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:24", "text": "were on vacation."}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:26", "text": ">> I heard you went and saw a movie over"}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "the past week."}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:28", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:30", "text": ">> Did you not go to the movie theaters"}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:31", "text": "with your husband?"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:32", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:34", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:34", "text": ">> What do we see? Something about a"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "spider."}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:36", "text": ">> No, I didn't go."}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:38", "text": ">> You didn't go to Spider-Man?"}, {"start": "01:09:36", "end": "01:09:39", "text": ">> No, I went by himself. I took our"}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "children somewhere. I can't remember."}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:41", "text": ">> He went by himself."}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:42", "text": ">> He went by himself."}, {"start": "01:09:41", "end": "01:09:43", "text": ">> What a butt."}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:45", "text": ">> I do not want to see Spider-Man. I"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:46", "text": "didn't care about that."}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:46", "text": ">> Demi and she loved it."}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:47", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:49", "text": ">> It was awesome."}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:50", "text": ">> Aydah wanted to go, but I said I think"}, {"start": "01:09:49", "end": "01:09:51", "text": "it's for grown-ups. It was like"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:53", "text": "inappropriate, right?"}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:55", "text": ">> No. I mean, it has a little, you know,"}, {"start": "01:09:53", "end": "01:09:57", "text": "some language in it, but I mean"}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:09:58", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, it's it's Marvel."}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:00", "text": ">> She doesn't even know what bad words"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "are. She thinks other bad words are"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:02", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:03", "text": ">> Yeah. No, I'm so serious. What I'm"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "saying is we can swear in front of her"}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "and she doesn't know what it [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "is."}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:11", "text": ">> Exactly. So, she would have loved it. It"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:12", "text": "was super cool. Very, very good movie."}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:14", "text": ">> Do that trend with her."}, {"start": "01:10:12", "end": "01:10:15", "text": ">> What was I doing? Well, oh, we went and"}, {"start": "01:10:14", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "got our nails done while he was watching"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "Spider-Man."}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:22", "text": ">> Cool. Um, I Kelsey asked to watch it"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:23", "text": "today because I was telling her about it"}, {"start": "01:10:22", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "and I don't know if it was a good idea"}, {"start": "01:10:23", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "to let her watch it. I mean, she chose"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:31", "text": "to do it, but you remember that story"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "about that girl getting her arms ripped"}, {"start": "01:10:31", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "off from an alligator?"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:37", "text": ">> Alligator. Yep."}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:38", "text": ">> A YouTuber released the 911 call and"}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:40", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:40", "text": ">> the body cam footage."}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:41", "text": ">> Oh, no."}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:42", "text": ">> Kelsey, watch that."}, {"start": "01:10:41", "end": "01:10:44", "text": ">> Horrible."}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:46", "text": ">> I don't want to see that."}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:47", "text": ">> Horrible. We're gonna get our revenge."}, {"start": "01:10:46", "end": "01:10:49", "text": ">> Put that in your head, dude."}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:52", "text": ">> We're getting our revenge soon"}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:55", "text": ">> because I love body cam footage. Ewu"}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:10:58", "text": "body cam on YouTube. the best. Um, we're"}, {"start": "01:10:55", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "talking about that alligator that uh got"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:00", "text": "that girl's arms."}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:01", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "01:11:00", "end": "01:11:02", "text": ">> They released the 911 call and the body"}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:03", "text": "cam footage."}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:05", "text": ">> You saw it?"}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:07", "text": ">> Horrible. Yeah. I mean, they blur out"}, {"start": "01:11:05", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "obviously the the stuff, but"}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:09", "text": ">> where you ripped off from? Was it here"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:12", "text": "or was it"}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:14", "text": ">> The thing is"}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:18", "text": ">> it wasn't like one arm from here down"}, {"start": "01:11:14", "end": "01:11:20", "text": "gone. The other one you could say was"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "tore off,"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "but they couldn't even attach. But"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:27", "text": "everything was still there. It just he"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:30", "text": "couldn't even attach a tourniquet."}, {"start": "01:11:27", "end": "01:11:32", "text": ">> What do you mean by that?"}, {"start": "01:11:30", "end": "01:11:34", "text": ">> Just pull a steak in half. Think about"}, {"start": "01:11:32", "end": "01:11:36", "text": ">> Just imag Yeah. Just imagine you had a"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "steak that was sat out and you just like"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "pulled pulled it apart. It was I mean"}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "it's awful. I mean you just cuz But"}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:46", "text": "she's awake this whole time talking."}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:46", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Talking"}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:48", "text": ">> talking"}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:50", "text": ">> like calmly or freaking out"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:52", "text": ">> at times and then other times she's"}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:54", "text": "like, you know, like panicking. Her"}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:55", "text": "friend was there. I I don't know if they"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "were vacationers or not."}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:11:59", "text": ">> Had to be."}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:11:59", "text": ">> I mean, it's terrible. It's But you see"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "the water. It's"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:02", "text": ">> so here down"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:03", "text": ">> on one arm. Gone."}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:05", "text": ">> Here down."}, {"start": "01:12:03", "end": "01:12:06", "text": ">> The other arm"}, {"start": "01:12:05", "end": "01:12:09", "text": ">> shredded."}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:11", "text": ">> Shredded. Terrible. And it's just you."}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:13", "text": ">> And she just died from blood loss."}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Horrible. You see this water"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:16", "text": "though? I mean, it was it was black"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:17", "text": "basically."}, {"start": "01:12:16", "end": "01:12:19", "text": ">> Oh man."}, {"start": "01:12:17", "end": "01:12:22", "text": ">> And it's just And it was 3 ft away from"}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "him. 12t gator. 12 foot g"}, {"start": "01:12:22", "end": "01:12:25", "text": ">> out of nowhere, dude. They're just"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "standing in 3 ft of water, just"}, {"start": "01:12:25", "end": "01:12:28", "text": "chilling. They're hiking and they're"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:31", "text": "like, \"Oh, let's get in the water."}, {"start": "01:12:28", "end": "01:12:35", "text": ">> Something's happening."}, {"start": "01:12:31", "end": "01:12:37", "text": "Sir, they're awakening. They're alive.\""}, {"start": "01:12:35", "end": "01:12:40", "text": ">> Dude, Trevor's goal for us is over 10"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "foot. He He located some like like 12"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:42", "text": "plus."}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:45", "text": ">> In the next couple months, y'all get"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "ready for a alligator hunt vlog."}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:49", "text": ">> It's uh it's coming up. You guys got to"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "get your stuff squared away so you can"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:52", "text": "go. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:55", "text": ">> it's like a $50 like you have to pay"}, {"start": "01:12:52", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "like a fee to be able to be one of the"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "participants even though I do that."}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:12:59", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:00", "text": ">> Well, speaking of participating,"}, {"start": "01:12:59", "end": "01:13:03", "text": ">> yes."}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:06", "text": ">> Have you guys ever heard of the man"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "named Egon"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:08", "text": "Shellakian?"}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:10", "text": ">> It's Egan."}, {"start": "01:13:08", "end": "01:13:12", "text": ">> Nope. Nope."}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:14", "text": ">> Egon Shellakian."}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:16", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:18", "text": ">> Really? [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:19", "text": "You've never heard of Egon Shellakian?"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:20", "text": ">> No, I haven't."}, {"start": "01:13:19", "end": "01:13:22", "text": ">> Yeah, neither have I. until I heard this"}, {"start": "01:13:20", "end": "01:13:25", "text": "story."}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:27", "text": "I will give credit where credit is due."}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:28", "text": ">> One of the best people out there on"}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:30", "text": "YouTube right now and doing"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "documentaries."}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:35", "text": ">> The YouTube channel is Nexo, right?"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:37", "text": ">> Nexo. And he has this video which is"}, {"start": "01:13:35", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "called, let me just pull up so I get it"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:40", "text": "right so everyone can go watch it."}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:42", "text": ">> Deepest rabbit hole."}, {"start": "01:13:40", "end": "01:13:43", "text": ">> The internet's deepest rabbit hole."}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:45", "text": ">> Oh boy."}, {"start": "01:13:43", "end": "01:13:47", "text": ">> And I'm like, this is crazy cuz me and"}, {"start": "01:13:45", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "Andy watched it the same exact day"}, {"start": "01:13:47", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "without knowing that either of us"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "watched it. Oh, our Tik Tok algorithms"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "pretty similar."}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:56", "text": ">> YouTube never similar. And so the fact"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:13:56", "text": "that we both watched this because he"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:13:58", "text": "asked me, he's like, \"Hey, do you have"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "anything for the pod?\""}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:01", "text": ">> And I said, \"I have a little something"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:03", "text": "that I learned. I'm going to dive into"}, {"start": "01:14:01", "end": "01:14:04", "text": "it deeper.\" And then has to do with it."}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "And he's just like immediately he's"}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "like, he gave me one."}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:09", "text": ">> You just did one gesture. You just did"}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:10", "text": "this."}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:11", "text": ">> Yeah. This"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:11", "text": ">> that was it. I knew what you were"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:14", "text": "talking about."}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:16", "text": ">> Why? Because is that part of it?"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:19", "text": ">> Did the other guy call him Egon?"}, {"start": "01:14:16", "end": "01:14:21", "text": ">> I think it was Aegon."}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:23", "text": "But it's spelled Egon. Like E G- O N."}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:23", "text": ">> Yeah, that's usually Egan."}, {"start": "01:14:23", "end": "01:14:25", "text": ">> But it's not."}, {"start": "01:14:23", "end": "01:14:27", "text": ">> It's Egon."}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:28", "text": ">> This guy is very well known in this is"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:31", "text": "how he pronounces his name."}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:32", "text": ">> Go ahead. Tell me about him."}, {"start": "01:14:31", "end": "01:14:33", "text": ">> You're being mean."}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:34", "text": ">> Me?"}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:35", "text": ">> Yes. You're picking apart the story and"}, {"start": "01:14:34", "end": "01:14:36", "text": "I just started it."}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:38", "text": ">> I Okay, continue."}, {"start": "01:14:36", "end": "01:14:39", "text": ">> Apologize. Do you know this story?"}, {"start": "01:14:38", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "[cough]"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:41", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:42", "text": ">> Don't raise your voice."}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:44", "text": ">> Part of it was that I corrected you and"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "then Andy corrected me."}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "Do you pronounce"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:50", "text": "his"}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:51", "text": ">> I corrected you"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:53", "text": ">> name"}, {"start": "01:14:51", "end": "01:14:56", "text": ">> and then you corrected me for being"}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "wrong and I don't like that"}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:00", "text": ">> his name is pronounced e gone."}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:02", "text": ">> I don't like the way that makes me feel."}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "If I am wrong, please don't correct me"}, {"start": "01:15:07", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "cuz [laughter] it hurts my feelings and"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "you know that."}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:17", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:21", "text": ">> She's just stepping back seeing seeing"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "the real picture here."}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "[gasps]"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:30", "text": ">> You see that face? That's the face"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:32", "text": "that's ready to dive into the deepest"}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:34", "text": ">> rabbit hole in internet's history."}, {"start": "01:15:32", "end": "01:15:35", "text": ">> I'm so excited. [cough]"}, {"start": "01:15:34", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "Tell me"}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:41", "text": ">> how you pronounce his name. It literally"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "gave me the breakdown of it. E E-G O N."}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:44", "text": "How would you say that?"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:46", "text": ">> You're right."}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:48", "text": ">> I know. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:15:46", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "Golly,"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "he has a YouTube channel called Earth"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "Safe Science Collaborative."}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "This YouTube channel popped up out of"}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "nowhere. This was during what 20 It was"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "when the uh Oenheimer Barbie movie came"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:03", "text": "out."}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:16:03", "end": "01:16:06", "text": ">> 2022. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:09", "text": ">> 2022. Yeah. Just out of nowhere, this"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "guy Egon pops up with this channel"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:14", "text": ">> and his whole it all the videos are just"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "him and it's very like apocalyptic. This"}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:18", "text": "is what's going to happen, blah blah"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "blah blah blah. and it's just really"}, {"start": "01:16:18", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "weird. And he has all these you can find"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "him everywhere on the internet,"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "LinkedIn, Facebook, and he's with he has"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:29", "text": "pictures of like politicians, with"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:30", "text": "astronauts, with all these people. And"}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:33", "text": "like on his LinkedIn, it says that he"}, {"start": "01:16:30", "end": "01:16:36", "text": "went to Harvard, MIT, Yale, and you're"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:38", "text": "like, \"What the heck?\" But people were"}, {"start": "01:16:36", "end": "01:16:40", "text": "noticing with this guy, he has these"}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:42", "text": "videos that range from like 30 minutes"}, {"start": "01:16:40", "end": "01:16:44", "text": "to three and a half hours where he's"}, {"start": "01:16:42", "end": "01:16:47", "text": "just talking about what's going to"}, {"start": "01:16:44", "end": "01:16:47", "text": "happen, all this stuff like be prepared"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:49", "text": "for this"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:49", "text": ">> like prophecy or something or is it more"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:50", "text": "so like"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:53", "text": ">> it's just nonsense. It's just it's"}, {"start": "01:16:50", "end": "01:16:56", "text": "climate change, it's um earthquakes,"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:57", "text": "earth's rotation, geopolitics, all I"}, {"start": "01:16:56", "end": "01:16:59", "text": "mean it's just all over the place."}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:00", "text": ">> Does he position himself as an expert?"}, {"start": "01:16:59", "end": "01:17:00", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:01", "text": ">> Very."}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:03", "text": ">> What are his credentials?"}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:05", "text": ">> Well, that is LinkedIn. What I just said"}, {"start": "01:17:03", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "like with all this"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:09", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:12", "text": ">> But people notice in every video his"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "hands are always like this and he never"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:15", "text": "moves."}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:18", "text": ">> So for three and a half hours he'll just"}, {"start": "01:17:15", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "be talking like this. Just be talking"}, {"start": "01:17:18", "end": "01:17:21", "text": "talking and his hands will just like"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:24", "text": "maybe move like that. But people are"}, {"start": "01:17:21", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "like this is AI. This has to be AI. So"}, {"start": "01:17:24", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "it started this whole thing where people"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "on like Reddit and stuff were breaking"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:32", "text": "down who this guy is. They went deeper"}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:36", "text": "into his stuff. M"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:37", "text": ">> um and this guy on has a YouTube channel"}, {"start": "01:17:36", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "next. He did his own investigation into"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "Egon."}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:45", "text": ">> And it literally led down this giant"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "rabbit hole to where you're just like,"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "\"What is happening?\""}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:51", "text": ">> So this guy Egon"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:53", "text": "pops out of nowhere. He's doing these"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:55", "text": "weird videos. Yes. People are like, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:17:53", "end": "01:17:56", "text": "he's AI.\" Turns out he's not AI. He's a"}, {"start": "01:17:55", "end": "01:17:56", "text": "legit man."}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:17:57", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:17:58", "text": ">> Is just weird."}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:00", "text": ">> I Okay."}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:03", "text": ">> His credentials have to be fake."}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:04", "text": ">> Okay. because they took a lot of photos"}, {"start": "01:18:03", "end": "01:18:05", "text": "that he had with like politicians and"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "01:18:05", "end": "01:18:09", "text": ">> CIA directors, Nobel Peace Prize"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "winners, all of it was doctorred."}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:12", "text": ">> Yeah. All the photos were doctorred."}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:15", "text": ">> Just faking it till he makes it."}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:16", "text": ">> Yep. But this guy in Expo, he went onto"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "the comments and like a lot of comments"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "were validating towards his videos."}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:21", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:23", "text": ">> Like finally good journalism, all this"}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "stuff. Very strange. But then he started"}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:28", "text": "seeing these comments of we are so lucky"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:30", "text": "to have someone like you for the"}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:32", "text": "creative society. You're doing the"}, {"start": "01:18:30", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "Creative Society justice."}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:36", "text": ">> Who's the Creative Society?"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:38", "text": ">> That's what I'm about to tell you."}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:42", "text": ">> The Creative Society"}, {"start": "01:18:38", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "is this weird organization."}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:45", "text": "Oh crap. Can you pull up their website?"}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:47", "text": ">> Yeah, it's I I mean I have the"}, {"start": "01:18:45", "end": "01:18:49", "text": "information about it. It's It's a"}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:52", "text": "gigantic international volunteer"}, {"start": "01:18:49", "end": "01:18:54", "text": "organization, which is nice, right? It"}, {"start": "01:18:52", "end": "01:18:57", "text": "has it has it claims to have"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:18:59", "text": "participation across 180 countries."}, {"start": "01:18:57", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "It's, you know, the same messaging as um"}, {"start": "01:18:59", "end": "01:19:04", "text": "Egon's is catastrophic climate change,"}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:06", "text": "nanoplastics, earthquakes, atmospheric"}, {"start": "01:19:04", "end": "01:19:09", "text": "instability, global disasters, humanity"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "needing immediate action. And but the"}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:12", "text": "thing is when you dive down deeper into"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "their philosophy,"}, {"start": "01:19:12", "end": "01:19:14", "text": ">> it gets wacko."}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:16", "text": ">> Oh boy."}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:19", "text": ">> Well, they're talking about basically as"}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:21", "text": "a if we can join together as this"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:23", "text": "creative society, we can change the"}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:25", "text": "world for good. Everything that"}, {"start": "01:19:23", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "everything bad that's happening in the"}, {"start": "01:19:25", "end": "01:19:29", "text": "world has nothing to do with outside"}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:31", "text": "influences or natural disasters. The"}, {"start": "01:19:29", "end": "01:19:34", "text": "natural disasters and all that stuff is"}, {"start": "01:19:31", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "caused from our own consciousness. So"}, {"start": "01:19:34", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "the creative society their whole thing"}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "is like if we all get together and we"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:41", "text": "all start doing this and that which I"}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "don't even know what you're supposed to"}, {"start": "01:19:41", "end": "01:19:47", "text": "do but just we're supposed to change and"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:50", "text": "they said that it has this breakdown of"}, {"start": "01:19:47", "end": "01:19:52", "text": "like if they're accomp or they will"}, {"start": "01:19:50", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "accomplish through the creative society"}, {"start": "01:19:52", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "as long as people keep volunteering"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:20:00", "text": "they'll create uh like um this basically"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:04", "text": "utopia of a world like uh universal"}, {"start": "01:20:00", "end": "01:20:06", "text": "basic income $100,000 after um birth of"}, {"start": "01:20:04", "end": "01:20:08", "text": "your first child, free worldwide"}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:10", "text": "healthcare, unrestricted international"}, {"start": "01:20:08", "end": "01:20:12", "text": "travel, elimination of debts,"}, {"start": "01:20:10", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "elimination of mortgages, elimination of"}, {"start": "01:20:12", "end": "01:20:16", "text": "taxes, and an end to all wars. So, they"}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:18", "text": "want to have this like global"}, {"start": "01:20:16", "end": "01:20:19", "text": ">> socialism,"}, {"start": "01:20:18", "end": "01:20:21", "text": ">> whatever they call it,"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:23", "text": ">> utopic socialism, crack,"}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:26", "text": ">> humanity under creative society and"}, {"start": "01:20:23", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "create a global utopia is what they say."}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:30", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:32", "text": ">> Yeah. And so this guy is like this is"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "like there's a lot there's they have a"}, {"start": "01:20:32", "end": "01:20:37", "text": "huge influence would if you believe it"}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "or not which is super strange but he's"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "like there can't where did this thing"}, {"start": "01:20:38", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "even come from."}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:45", "text": ">> We found the founder of the creative"}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "society is a name ma named um oh I"}, {"start": "01:20:45", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "mispronounced or I misspelled his name"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:50", "text": "his name Igor Danolov or something like"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:51", "text": "that"}, {"start": "01:20:50", "end": "01:20:52", "text": ">> sounds Russian look"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:53", "text": ">> it's Ukrainian."}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:54", "text": ">> Oh close."}, {"start": "01:20:53", "end": "01:20:58", "text": ">> Yeah he goes"}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:21:01", "text": ">> Igor Danolov. Igor Danalov and he's he"}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "was a chiropractor but now he's like he"}, {"start": "01:21:01", "end": "01:21:04", "text": "started this creative society and"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "they're trying to make this big impact"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "and he's like this is very strange. um"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "dug down a little deeper."}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "Um these articles came up about Eigor"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "and his movement, the Creative Society."}, {"start": "01:21:14", "end": "01:21:20", "text": "And it's like, oh, the Creative Society"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:24", "text": "is a public-f facing company or movement"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "for another thing called uh Altra or"}, {"start": "01:21:24", "end": "01:21:29", "text": "sorry, uh Ala"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:31", "text": ">> Alatra. All you say it"}, {"start": "01:21:29", "end": "01:21:35", "text": ">> alatra. All Atra."}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:37", "text": ">> All Atra, which turns out All Atra is a"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "cult."}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:42", "text": ">> This is Scientology, the sequel."}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:45", "text": ">> This is an insane cult led by this man"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "named Igor from Ukraine."}, {"start": "01:21:45", "end": "01:21:46", "text": ">> The the chiropractor."}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:48", "text": ">> The chiropractor."}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:50", "text": ">> He's a big dreamer."}, {"start": "01:21:48", "end": "01:21:52", "text": ">> Dreamer. But they he literally treats"}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:55", "text": "himself as the Messiah. He is a"}, {"start": "01:21:52", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "reincarnated messiah type figure."}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:21:59", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:21:59", "text": ">> Um, so this Alatra, gez, how do you say"}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:04", "text": ">> Alatra. Allatra."}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:06", "text": "Um, they are known for promoting"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "pseudocience. And this is where it gets"}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:11", "text": "this my brain just went so many places."}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:14", "text": "This is pretty dark. They're known for"}, {"start": "01:22:11", "end": "01:22:16", "text": "promoting pseudocience, wild conspiracy"}, {"start": "01:22:14", "end": "01:22:19", "text": "conspiracy theories involving aliens,"}, {"start": "01:22:16", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "secretive powerful elites, and sacrifice"}, {"start": "01:22:19", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "of children."}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:23", "text": ">> You guys, we are perpetuating their"}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "values."}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:27", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:28", "text": ">> We're we're part of the cheese. No, but"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "they that they're believing in"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "telepathy, pyramid experiments, like"}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "literally going inside pyramid"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:36", "text": "structures and doing like psychic like"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:37", "text": "like"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:38", "text": ">> this. They're doing this."}, {"start": "01:22:37", "end": "01:22:39", "text": ">> This is all"}, {"start": "01:22:38", "end": "01:22:40", "text": ">> We're not doing that."}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:41", "text": ">> We're not doing that."}, {"start": "01:22:40", "end": "01:22:44", "text": ">> And it's you think like, oh, it's not"}, {"start": "01:22:41", "end": "01:22:46", "text": "like one of those weird adult, you know,"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:49", "text": "cults, right? It is."}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:49", "text": ">> It definitely is like doing adult stuff."}, {"start": "01:22:49", "end": "01:22:50", "text": ">> Oh, no."}, {"start": "01:22:49", "end": "01:22:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. It's"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:55", "text": ">> it gets really some of the things that"}, {"start": "01:22:53", "end": "01:22:57", "text": "were discovered through this allra"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "movement are really disturbing really"}, {"start": "01:22:57", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "disgusting which we won't talk about on"}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "here."}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:05", "text": ">> Okay. So would you say it is in nature"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "atheistic or it is spiritual?"}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:07", "text": ">> Spiritualistic."}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:09", "text": ">> Oh big time spiritual"}, {"start": "01:23:07", "end": "01:23:11", "text": ">> because it's a mix mixture between new"}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "age movement they said"}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:13", "text": ">> science"}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:14", "text": ">> science orthodoxy"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:17", "text": ">> of what variety?"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:20", "text": ">> A new Ukrainian orthodoxy. So they take"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "they take parts of Orthodoxy elements"}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:22", "text": "buffet."}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:25", "text": ">> But the Orthodox Church this thing got"}, {"start": "01:23:22", "end": "01:23:28", "text": "so big and so gnarly. The Ukrainian"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:30", "text": "Orthodox Church came out and said have"}, {"start": "01:23:28", "end": "01:23:34", "text": "nothing to do with all. They said they"}, {"start": "01:23:30", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "are a terrible cult. They practice zero"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:36", "text": "values of Christ."}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:38", "text": ">> Have nothing to do with that."}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:39", "text": ">> They've like bastardized the ideals of"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:41", "text": "Christ in a way."}, {"start": "01:23:39", "end": "01:23:44", "text": ">> Correct. Because this guy's claiming to"}, {"start": "01:23:41", "end": "01:23:47", "text": "be the Messiah. And then Russia came out"}, {"start": "01:23:44", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "and said um what did Russia say?"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "Uh,"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:51", "text": "Russia said,"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:52", "text": ">> \"How are they getting into these"}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "pyramids to do freaky stuff?\""}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:56", "text": ">> They they had those like little mirrored"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "pyramids in these rooms where they"}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:24:00", "text": ">> Oh, they make their own pyramids. I see."}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:00", "text": "[laughter] Andrew and I are thinking"}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:03", "text": "they're in"}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:05", "text": ">> I know. I'm like where the state of"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:07", "text": "Russia declared their movement"}, {"start": "01:24:05", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "undesirable."}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:10", "text": ">> That's what they could have said"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "something a little bit more"}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:14", "text": ">> Like"}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:14", "text": ">> in Russian, I'm sure it sounds gnarly."}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:16", "text": ">> Okay, I got you."}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:18", "text": ">> Um remember,"}, {"start": "01:24:16", "end": "01:24:20", "text": ">> but this was interesting. So then he"}, {"start": "01:24:18", "end": "01:24:22", "text": "talks to this guy on this this next expo"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:26", "text": "video. Uh he mentions this guy named"}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:27", "text": "Yakob Yaw who is from where's he from?"}, {"start": "01:24:26", "end": "01:24:28", "text": "Denmark or something."}, {"start": "01:24:27", "end": "01:24:31", "text": ">> Yeah, I can't I can't remember."}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:34", "text": ">> Uh but he's a journalist that"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "specializes in exposing cults."}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:38", "text": ">> What a terrible job description."}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:40", "text": ">> Yeah. And he's a humanitarian. So he"}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "spent a lot of his time in Tanzania"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:43", "text": "helping these orphanages, doing all this"}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:45", "text": "stuff"}, {"start": "01:24:43", "end": "01:24:48", "text": ">> while doing like his day job being a"}, {"start": "01:24:45", "end": "01:24:49", "text": "journalist and completely exposed all"}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "altra."}, {"start": "01:24:49", "end": "01:24:52", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": ">> To the point to where he was able to"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "find some of their compounds and the"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:59", "text": "Ukrainian police went and raided these"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "compounds."}, {"start": "01:24:59", "end": "01:25:03", "text": ">> The things that they found in these"}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:04", "text": "compounds. This is where it gets crazy"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:05", "text": "strange."}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:06", "text": ">> Like trigger trigger. Are you going to"}, {"start": "01:25:05", "end": "01:25:07", "text": "tell me or you want to tell? just like"}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "you're going to be like, \"Wait, what?\""}, {"start": "01:25:07", "end": "01:25:09", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:11", "text": ">> so they rated they showed the video"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:13", "text": "footage. Well, one the stuff that they"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:15", "text": "released to the news. You go around and"}, {"start": "01:25:13", "end": "01:25:16", "text": "there's certain parts of the room that"}, {"start": "01:25:15", "end": "01:25:17", "text": "are blurred out."}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:18", "text": ">> Dang."}, {"start": "01:25:17", "end": "01:25:20", "text": ">> That's interesting. But it was like"}, {"start": "01:25:18", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "something red."}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:24", "text": ">> So they would just blur it out. But you"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:27", "text": "can go back to the original Ukrainian"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:29", "text": "police force body cam footage. They go"}, {"start": "01:25:27", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "into this room. There's a bunch of"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:36", "text": "books, a bunch of weird paintings,"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:38", "text": "robes, and then a bunch of Trump hats."}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:40", "text": ">> What"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "if you were going to tell me what you"}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:42", "text": "thought I was if I was you were going to"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:44", "text": "ask me what do you think I'm going to"}, {"start": "01:25:42", "end": "01:25:45", "text": "say next? That was not what I was going"}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:48", "text": "to read."}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:50", "text": ">> Are you alleging that Are you alleging"}, {"start": "01:25:48", "end": "01:25:51", "text": "that he's wrapped in it?"}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:53", "text": ">> I'm alleging that that's what that's"}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:55", "text": "what's on the body cam footage. And in"}, {"start": "01:25:53", "end": "01:25:57", "text": "their their rituals, in their what do"}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "you call that? Whenever it's like a"}, {"start": "01:25:57", "end": "01:26:01", "text": ">> like a"}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:02", "text": "on all of their shrines"}, {"start": "01:26:01", "end": "01:26:04", "text": "and pillows"}, {"start": "01:26:02", "end": "01:26:06", "text": ">> in Ukraine"}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:09", "text": ">> and pictures of Putin's face are right"}, {"start": "01:26:06", "end": "01:26:09", "text": "next to the hats."}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:12", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:15", "text": ">> What do I do?"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:18", "text": ">> So Ukraine arrested them for being"}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "pushing pro-Russian propaganda."}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:21", "text": "Russia denies that and said they"}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:22", "text": "actually been pushing pro- Ukrainian"}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:24", "text": "propaganda"}, {"start": "01:26:22", "end": "01:26:26", "text": ">> in their country"}, {"start": "01:26:24", "end": "01:26:27", "text": ">> in their country or just all over."}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:30", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:26:27", "end": "01:26:33", "text": ">> Um but what I'm getting to is these"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:35", "text": "people the all altra at the make at the"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "time this guy was making this video they"}, {"start": "01:26:35", "end": "01:26:39", "text": "had like a hundred something YouTube"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "channels. It's like all altra United"}, {"start": "01:26:39", "end": "01:26:44", "text": "States all altra uh New Zealand. But"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:46", "text": "basically they do these campaigns."}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:49", "text": "They've been like flooding the internet"}, {"start": "01:26:46", "end": "01:26:51", "text": "with their messaging and like with"}, {"start": "01:26:49", "end": "01:26:54", "text": "trying to spread their movement, but"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "then suddenly out of nowhere, thousands"}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:26:59", "text": "upon thousands of videos on TikTok are"}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "going after this Jacob guy who's doing"}, {"start": "01:26:59", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "humanitarian uh volunteer work in"}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "Tanzania and they're saying how terrible"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:08", "text": "is he's like he's stealing money. He's"}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:09", "text": "mistreating the children. It was like an"}, {"start": "01:27:08", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "inside thing"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:11", "text": ">> and there's YouTube documentaries about"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:13", "text": "him,"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:15", "text": ">> fulllength documentaries, like well"}, {"start": "01:27:13", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "produced documentaries about this guy"}, {"start": "01:27:15", "end": "01:27:17", "text": "YaKob"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:19", "text": ">> and you look into it and guess who"}, {"start": "01:27:17", "end": "01:27:21", "text": "they're connected to? The Creative"}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:22", "text": "Society and all Astra,"}, {"start": "01:27:21", "end": "01:27:23", "text": ">> all Altra,"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:26", "text": ">> all Altra, whatever."}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:28", "text": ">> Um, but so this guy gets completely he"}, {"start": "01:27:26", "end": "01:27:29", "text": "gets kicked out of Tanzania basically."}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:32", "text": "He's not allowed to this day not allowed"}, {"start": "01:27:29", "end": "01:27:32", "text": "to go back. It took him years"}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:33", "text": ">> to"}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:35", "text": ">> even to get there."}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:36", "text": ">> Well, no, it took him years to get this"}, {"start": "01:27:35", "end": "01:27:40", "text": "case removed from him."}, {"start": "01:27:36", "end": "01:27:41", "text": ">> Oh wow. that like all the um because he"}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:44", "text": "was being investigated by his own home"}, {"start": "01:27:41", "end": "01:27:46", "text": "country of the accusations that were"}, {"start": "01:27:44", "end": "01:27:48", "text": "being presented um none of them were"}, {"start": "01:27:46", "end": "01:27:50", "text": "true but to this day he cannot go back"}, {"start": "01:27:48", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "to Tanzania his team can't go back to"}, {"start": "01:27:50", "end": "01:27:53", "text": "Tanzania but who is in Tanzania right"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:53", "text": "now"}, {"start": "01:27:53", "end": "01:27:56", "text": ">> Altra"}, {"start": "01:27:53", "end": "01:27:57", "text": ">> Altra at the orphanages he was at"}, {"start": "01:27:56", "end": "01:27:59", "text": ">> what hate that"}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:00", "text": ">> what are they doing what are they even"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:01", "text": "what is their"}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:03", "text": ">> He just speculates that they're just"}, {"start": "01:28:01", "end": "01:28:04", "text": "indoctrinating these children with their"}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "cult"}, {"start": "01:28:04", "end": "01:28:08", "text": ">> yeah so they found all the orphanages"}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:10", "text": "that he is connected to everywhere and"}, {"start": "01:28:08", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "is complet they're completely trying to"}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "undo all of the work he's doing. But get"}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:17", "text": "guess who gave their stamp of approval"}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:18", "text": "on all atro."}, {"start": "01:28:17", "end": "01:28:20", "text": ">> I'm gonna say Trump."}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:22", "text": ">> Well, no. This this one's a little"}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:23", "text": ">> It's You Google it."}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:24", "text": ">> The Pope."}, {"start": "01:28:23", "end": "01:28:25", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:28:24", "end": "01:28:26", "text": ">> kind of."}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:28", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "01:28:26", "end": "01:28:29", "text": ">> It's not It was more of like a shaking"}, {"start": "01:28:28", "end": "01:28:30", "text": "of the hands kind of thing. It was It"}, {"start": "01:28:29", "end": "01:28:31", "text": "was blown. They blew it out of"}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:33", "text": "proportion."}, {"start": "01:28:31", "end": "01:28:36", "text": ">> I mean, it sounds like they"}, {"start": "01:28:33", "end": "01:28:37", "text": ">> Pope Francis did give his blessing to"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:39", "text": "Alatra."}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:41", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. But it was"}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "without his knowledge of knowing what"}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:43", "text": "they actually were."}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:45", "text": ">> It that doesn't matter. That's that's"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:47", "text": "that's the whole my whole point is that"}, {"start": "01:28:45", "end": "01:28:48", "text": "I mean"}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:49", "text": ">> what are we doing? What do these"}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "blessings mean?"}, {"start": "01:28:49", "end": "01:28:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:52", "text": ">> If you're not going to do your homework,"}, {"start": "01:28:51", "end": "01:28:54", "text": "if you're not going to if you're going"}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "to go out there and say everyone, hey,"}, {"start": "01:28:54", "end": "01:28:57", "text": "this that's you gave them exactly what"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:59", "text": "they wanted. The stamp of approval"}, {"start": "01:28:57", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "saying what we're doing. We got blessed"}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:02", "text": "by the pope. We're obviously on we're"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "the good guys. These people"}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:05", "text": ">> are doing bad things."}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:08", "text": ">> I mean you look up videos you can look"}, {"start": "01:29:05", "end": "01:29:09", "text": "up on YouTube. I mean, uh, on all ATRA"}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:12", "text": "and you can see people's testimonies,"}, {"start": "01:29:09", "end": "01:29:14", "text": "like real life people recording their"}, {"start": "01:29:12", "end": "01:29:16", "text": "own like just like I don't know what I"}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:18", "text": "would do without this. And it it's just"}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:19", "text": "I mean, it's just fullon cult mentality."}, {"start": "01:29:18", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "It's crazy."}, {"start": "01:29:19", "end": "01:29:22", "text": ">> But help me with what are their ideals?"}, {"start": "01:29:21", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "Like I just don't understand."}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:26", "text": ">> That's what's kind of confusing. It's"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:30", "text": "like we don't but they're they're"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:33", "text": "obviously trying to get into politics."}, {"start": "01:29:30", "end": "01:29:34", "text": ">> So it's like global influence. Their"}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:35", "text": "main priorities"}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:37", "text": ">> I would say influence is the biggest"}, {"start": "01:29:35", "end": "01:29:38", "text": "thing. Their main priorities are healing"}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:39", "text": "the earth. That's what they are"}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:40", "text": "motivated by."}, {"start": "01:29:39", "end": "01:29:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:29:40", "end": "01:29:43", "text": ">> But they're they're very concerned with"}, {"start": "01:29:42", "end": "01:29:45", "text": "climate change."}, {"start": "01:29:43", "end": "01:29:46", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:48", "text": ">> Why aren't they talking to Trump?"}, {"start": "01:29:46", "end": "01:29:50", "text": ">> Well, that's the thing. who this is"}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:52", "text": "where it gets confusing and like that"}, {"start": "01:29:50", "end": "01:29:53", "text": "the video didn't really answer it too"}, {"start": "01:29:52", "end": "01:29:55", "text": "much"}, {"start": "01:29:53", "end": "01:29:58", "text": ">> but it's like I when we talked to Jesse"}, {"start": "01:29:55", "end": "01:30:02", "text": "Kerry about these"}, {"start": "01:29:58", "end": "01:30:06", "text": "just the the propaganist machine that is"}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:08", "text": "in Russia and possibly Ukraine of just"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:12", "text": "this influence of like it's just I don't"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "know it's I my brain's trying to connect"}, {"start": "01:30:12", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "the dots but they're somehow"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:21", "text": "involved D in our US politics. Well,"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:24", "text": "they for sure are because in fact a man"}, {"start": "01:30:21", "end": "01:30:27", "text": "that was running for president in 2024,"}, {"start": "01:30:24", "end": "01:30:29", "text": "his name was Robbie Well,"}, {"start": "01:30:27", "end": "01:30:30", "text": ">> former football coach of Sav Savannah"}, {"start": "01:30:29", "end": "01:30:32", "text": "University or something like that."}, {"start": "01:30:30", "end": "01:30:34", "text": ">> Yep. Uh he was a president presidential"}, {"start": "01:30:32", "end": "01:30:35", "text": "candidate. He's part of Allra."}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:36", "text": ">> How do you know?"}, {"start": "01:30:35", "end": "01:30:37", "text": ">> Because he said it."}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:38", "text": ">> Oh"}, {"start": "01:30:37", "end": "01:30:40", "text": ">> yeah. Like the these people are not"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:40", "text": "afraid of like saying who they're a part"}, {"start": "01:30:40", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "of."}, {"start": "01:30:40", "end": "01:30:44", "text": ">> Oh my goodness. Even this this pastor"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:46", "text": "who was involved in the Trump"}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:50", "text": "administration, his name is Pastor Mark"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "Burns. He's involved with all Altra."}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:52", "text": ">> How do you justify that?"}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:54", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:57", "text": ">> You said they're doing adult stuff."}, {"start": "01:30:54", "end": "01:31:00", "text": ">> Oh, I has like"}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:02", "text": ">> apparently 24 women"}, {"start": "01:31:00", "end": "01:31:03", "text": ">> uh that he he calls um what is it?"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "Heavenly Birds."}, {"start": "01:31:03", "end": "01:31:07", "text": ">> E."}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:09", "text": ">> Yeah, there's weird seances and weird"}, {"start": "01:31:07", "end": "01:31:11", "text": "cult. I mean, it's just it's terrible."}, {"start": "01:31:09", "end": "01:31:14", "text": "But the thing is it's not just a normal"}, {"start": "01:31:11", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "cult. These are there are big political"}, {"start": "01:31:14", "end": "01:31:21", "text": "figures that are involved in this and"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:22", "text": "they have huge influence worldwide."}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:23", "text": ">> And no one talks about it."}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:23", "end": "01:31:26", "text": ">> And it's it's literally it's Scientology"}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:26", "text": "to a whole other level."}, {"start": "01:31:26", "end": "01:31:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:26", "end": "01:31:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:28", "end": "01:31:34", "text": "It seems like if you want to make it a"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:36", "text": "big thing, it seems like it would be"}, {"start": "01:31:34", "end": "01:31:38", "text": "something that the antichrist would be"}, {"start": "01:31:36", "end": "01:31:39", "text": "like"}, {"start": "01:31:38", "end": "01:31:41", "text": ">> the same like"}, {"start": "01:31:39", "end": "01:31:42", "text": ">> yeah their front is like things that"}, {"start": "01:31:41", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "people can agree upon, right? Like it's"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:46", "text": "like we want unity. We want um"}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:47", "text": ">> universal healthcare."}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:50", "text": ">> We want the world to heal. We want"}, {"start": "01:31:47", "end": "01:31:52", "text": "people to have babies and all this"}, {"start": "01:31:50", "end": "01:31:53", "text": "stuff. And it's like"}, {"start": "01:31:52", "end": "01:31:55", "text": ">> what are you guys really doing?"}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:57", "text": ">> Yeah. So this guy Igor, he's basically"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:32:01", "text": "at large now. They believe he's living"}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:02", "text": "in another um Eastern European country."}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:03", "text": ">> Are there crimes against people? Like"}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "are they are there"}, {"start": "01:32:03", "end": "01:32:05", "text": ">> abuse?"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:05", "text": ">> Abuse. Okay."}, {"start": "01:32:05", "end": "01:32:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:05", "end": "01:32:08", "text": ">> And so people are looking for him. The"}, {"start": "01:32:07", "end": "01:32:09", "text": "Ukrainian police or something like that."}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:11", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "01:32:09", "end": "01:32:12", "text": ">> I think Russia and Ukraine."}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:17", "text": ">> What do you mean? This is crazy."}, {"start": "01:32:14", "end": "01:32:19", "text": ">> So this guy, the YouTuber, going back to"}, {"start": "01:32:17", "end": "01:32:20", "text": "like the tip of the iceberg."}, {"start": "01:32:19", "end": "01:32:24", "text": ">> E uh Egon."}, {"start": "01:32:20", "end": "01:32:26", "text": ">> Egon has a huge following of robots or"}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:29", "text": "like real people? real people. Well, we"}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:32", "text": "think real people. We don't know"}, {"start": "01:32:29", "end": "01:32:33", "text": "because we don't exactly know how big"}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:34", "text": "this movement is."}, {"start": "01:32:33", "end": "01:32:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:34", "end": "01:32:38", "text": ">> But it seems pretty big because it's"}, {"start": "01:32:37", "end": "01:32:40", "text": "affected"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:42", "text": "probably 180 countries like they say."}, {"start": "01:32:40", "end": "01:32:43", "text": ">> Yeah. And also, we're doing it. We're"}, {"start": "01:32:42", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "probably freaking talking about all the"}, {"start": "01:32:43", "end": "01:32:46", "text": "stuff that they're pumping out."}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:47", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:49", "text": ">> No, we're not condoning it though. We're"}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:51", "text": "not telling."}, {"start": "01:32:49", "end": "01:32:53", "text": ">> We But their whole thing is like, let's"}, {"start": "01:32:51", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "create division and talk about spooky"}, {"start": "01:32:53", "end": "01:32:55", "text": "stuff. And it's like we're talking about"}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "spooky stuff."}, {"start": "01:32:55", "end": "01:33:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:02", "text": ">> We're exposing it"}, {"start": "01:33:00", "end": "01:33:04", "text": ">> because there that's the thing. There's"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "there can be two truths or a truth and a"}, {"start": "01:33:04", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "lie."}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:08", "text": ">> You can be like"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:11", "text": ">> two things can be true at once."}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:13", "text": ">> Yes. And I guess I bet you they're not"}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "saying the name of Jesus a whole lot."}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:16", "text": ">> Yeah. True."}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:17", "text": ">> You know, like"}, {"start": "01:33:16", "end": "01:33:18", "text": "Jesus doesn't come first."}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:18", "text": ">> No, they've never mentioned Jesus."}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:19", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:21", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:33:19", "end": "01:33:22", "text": ">> Because they So what's the Orthodox"}, {"start": "01:33:21", "end": "01:33:24", "text": "component of this? They just practice"}, {"start": "01:33:22", "end": "01:33:24", "text": "maybe like traditionalism or something"}, {"start": "01:33:24", "end": "01:33:26", "text": "like that."}, {"start": "01:33:24", "end": "01:33:27", "text": ">> Yeah, they probably just pick and choose"}, {"start": "01:33:26", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "certain aspects of things."}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:32", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:33", "text": ">> Yeah, it's very weird and like I want to"}, {"start": "01:33:32", "end": "01:33:36", "text": "do more research in it because it it"}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:38", "text": "just seems like even with the Nexo did"}, {"start": "01:33:36", "end": "01:33:40", "text": "an amazing job on this video, but it"}, {"start": "01:33:38", "end": "01:33:41", "text": "literally seems like you put a toe in"}, {"start": "01:33:40", "end": "01:33:43", "text": "the ocean."}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:44", "text": ">> Yeah. I feel like there's so much going"}, {"start": "01:33:43", "end": "01:33:44", "text": "on here."}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:48", "text": ">> There's a lot. And it's it's it's tough."}, {"start": "01:33:46", "end": "01:33:49", "text": "He watched it twice. I only watched it"}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:51", "text": "once and I had I had had to have it"}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "broken down for me. It's a lot."}, {"start": "01:33:51", "end": "01:33:54", "text": ">> This is very interesting. Very"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:56", "text": "interesting. The fact that it was right"}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:33:59", "text": "under our noses, we have no idea."}, {"start": "01:33:56", "end": "01:33:59", "text": ">> Do we even say Illuminati? Try Alatra."}, {"start": "01:33:59", "end": "01:34:01", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:33:59", "end": "01:34:03", "text": ">> Elatra."}, {"start": "01:34:01", "end": "01:34:04", "text": ">> It just sounds dirty saying it, too."}, {"start": "01:34:03", "end": "01:34:06", "text": ">> But they go out there."}, {"start": "01:34:04", "end": "01:34:07", "text": ">> Sounds like Ad Astra."}, {"start": "01:34:06", "end": "01:34:10", "text": ">> Yeah, but they will. I mean, they have"}, {"start": "01:34:07", "end": "01:34:12", "text": "such a if honestly I wouldn't be"}, {"start": "01:34:10", "end": "01:34:14", "text": "surprised if something comments or"}, {"start": "01:34:12", "end": "01:34:15", "text": "something happening on this video"}, {"start": "01:34:14", "end": "01:34:16", "text": "because I think they do have these"}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "farms."}, {"start": "01:34:16", "end": "01:34:20", "text": ">> Dude, what's up with MAGA hats? That's"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:23", "text": "why I'm hung up on that."}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:26", "text": ">> Putin pillows. Putin pillows. pillows."}, {"start": "01:34:23", "end": "01:34:28", "text": "Maybe it's because these figures are,"}, {"start": "01:34:26", "end": "01:34:29", "text": "how do I want to say this?"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:32", "text": ">> I think they're just in they're trying"}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:34", "text": "to infiltrate all aspects of everyone's"}, {"start": "01:34:32", "end": "01:34:34", "text": "lives. Geopolitics."}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:39", "text": ">> And cause a ruckus"}, {"start": "01:34:37", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "so someone can swoop in and save the"}, {"start": "01:34:39", "end": "01:34:41", "text": "day."}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:42", "text": ">> And I don't think this is the last time"}, {"start": "01:34:41", "end": "01:34:42", "text": "we're ever going to talk about him."}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:46", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:48", "text": ">> I feel like the Do you have like a"}, {"start": "01:34:46", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "timeline on when the this was born? The"}, {"start": "01:34:48", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "birth of this?"}, {"start": "01:34:50", "end": "01:34:54", "text": ">> Um 2003 was like the first like like"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:55", "text": "like literature."}, {"start": "01:34:54", "end": "01:34:56", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:34:55", "end": "01:34:57", "text": ">> So it I mean that's the earliest that we"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:34:59", "text": "have"}, {"start": "01:34:57", "end": "01:35:00", "text": ">> and it was called Al Astra"}, {"start": "01:34:59", "end": "01:35:02", "text": ">> or Altra."}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:03", "text": ">> All altra or was it called a creative"}, {"start": "01:35:02", "end": "01:35:04", "text": "society?"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:06", "text": ">> I think it's"}, {"start": "01:35:04", "end": "01:35:08", "text": ">> the creative society came after all"}, {"start": "01:35:06", "end": "01:35:10", "text": "altra cuz they needed like a public"}, {"start": "01:35:08", "end": "01:35:12", "text": "facing"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:13", "text": ">> thing. Something that doesn't sound so"}, {"start": "01:35:12", "end": "01:35:15", "text": "spooky"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:16", "text": ">> because it does well creative society"}, {"start": "01:35:15", "end": "01:35:18", "text": "also sounds spooky."}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:19", "text": ">> Yeah it does soiety. It doesn't really"}, {"start": "01:35:18", "end": "01:35:20", "text": "even make sense."}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:23", "text": ">> It's a society of creatives. Who's their"}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:24", "text": "marketing person or their I just went"}, {"start": "01:35:23", "end": "01:35:25", "text": "through their website and it's absolute"}, {"start": "01:35:24", "end": "01:35:26", "text": "trash."}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:27", "text": ">> Oh, it's bad website."}, {"start": "01:35:26", "end": "01:35:28", "text": ">> I mean, it just looks like it's straight"}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:29", "text": "out of the '9s."}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:31", "text": ">> Oh, interesting."}, {"start": "01:35:29", "end": "01:35:32", "text": ">> Their whole thing is just it's wacky."}, {"start": "01:35:31", "end": "01:35:33", "text": ">> Well, they're doing it from Ukraine,"}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:35", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:35:33", "end": "01:35:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Or just I who knows now cuz I mean"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "they they literally after Nexo's video"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:43", "text": "came out, weirdly all the YouTube"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:46", "text": "channels that they had deleted."}, {"start": "01:35:43", "end": "01:35:47", "text": ">> What? So, this Nexo guy is he he has a"}, {"start": "01:35:46", "end": "01:35:48", "text": "huge influence. He has like a big"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:49", "text": "following and stuff."}, {"start": "01:35:48", "end": "01:35:51", "text": ">> Huge following. Yeah. 3 million"}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:52", "text": "followers. He's brave putting that out."}, {"start": "01:35:51", "end": "01:35:54", "text": ">> He does really cool stuff."}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:54", "text": ">> Really great stuff."}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:57", "text": ">> Is phenomenal."}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:59", "text": ">> Danish guy, Denmark guy."}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Crazy stuff though."}, {"start": "01:35:59", "end": "01:36:05", "text": ">> Wow. Very interesting, boys. Good work."}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:09", "text": ">> All right. Do you want to I got the van"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:11", "text": "meter visitor or operation mince meat?"}, {"start": "01:36:09", "end": "01:36:11", "text": ">> Dude, I want mince. I have to pee so bad"}, {"start": "01:36:11", "end": "01:36:13", "text": "though."}, {"start": "01:36:11", "end": "01:36:13", "text": ">> Okay, go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead. You're"}, {"start": "01:36:13", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "fine."}, {"start": "01:36:13", "end": "01:36:16", "text": ">> I drank a coffee."}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:17", "text": ">> You're fine. We talked about Spider-Man"}, {"start": "01:36:16", "end": "01:36:18", "text": "while you were gone, by the way."}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:20", "text": ">> Not really. We didn't talk about"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "Spider-Man at all. You just said you saw"}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:23", "text": "it and I said I didn't see it."}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:24", "text": ">> Said it was good. I saw Demi Zami saw"}, {"start": "01:36:23", "end": "01:36:25", "text": "it. She thought it was hilarious. She"}, {"start": "01:36:24", "end": "01:36:26", "text": "thought it was great. You would have"}, {"start": "01:36:25", "end": "01:36:27", "text": "loved it. You would have"}, {"start": "01:36:26", "end": "01:36:28", "text": ">> You really think I would have liked it?"}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:36:28", "end": "01:36:32", "text": ">> I don't like superheroes."}, {"start": "01:36:30", "end": "01:36:35", "text": ">> It's a story"}, {"start": "01:36:32", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "with with romance, with love, with loss."}, {"start": "01:36:35", "end": "01:36:40", "text": "That's all it is. It's just decorated"}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:44", "text": "with superhero. You would love it."}, {"start": "01:36:40", "end": "01:36:45", "text": ">> I like the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man's."}, {"start": "01:36:44", "end": "01:36:49", "text": ">> Okay. People are saying these are just"}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:50", "text": "as good. Those are good. You like"}, {"start": "01:36:49", "end": "01:36:51", "text": "Spider-Man. You like comic boos. Then"}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:54", "text": ">> speaking about like celebrities and"}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:57", "text": "religion, did you hear that uh Andrew"}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:36:58", "text": "Garfield converted to Cabal? Cabala."}, {"start": "01:36:57", "end": "01:37:01", "text": ">> What is that?"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:03", "text": ">> It's like the like ancient Judaism."}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:05", "text": ">> No, I didn't."}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:05", "text": ">> A lot of these like Jennifer Anderson is"}, {"start": "01:37:05", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "too."}, {"start": "01:37:05", "end": "01:37:06", "text": ">> Weird."}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:07", "text": ">> I don't know if that's true."}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:09", "text": ">> I have to look into it. I don't know."}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:10", "text": ">> It was a Buzzfeed video that I saw so"}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:12", "text": "fake."}, {"start": "01:37:10", "end": "01:37:12", "text": ">> Um speaking of that, um"}, {"start": "01:37:12", "end": "01:37:15", "text": "[cough and clears throat] in the past"}, {"start": "01:37:12", "end": "01:37:17", "text": "week and a half I read three books."}, {"start": "01:37:15", "end": "01:37:18", "text": ">> Shut up. What are how are you devouring"}, {"start": "01:37:17", "end": "01:37:20", "text": "it like this?"}, {"start": "01:37:18", "end": "01:37:22", "text": ">> Cuz it just had any time. It was just"}, {"start": "01:37:20", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "like I would wake up in the morning in"}, {"start": "01:37:22", "end": "01:37:26", "text": "Montana and the time change everything."}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:28", "text": "I would just wake up and I loved the"}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "audio book while reading."}, {"start": "01:37:28", "end": "01:37:30", "text": ">> I I'm tempted."}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:31", "text": ">> I don't know what that's called."}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:32", "text": "Immersive reading."}, {"start": "01:37:31", "end": "01:37:32", "text": ">> Immersive reading. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:32", "end": "01:37:34", "text": ">> It's so good."}, {"start": "01:37:32", "end": "01:37:35", "text": ">> I'm tempted to start doing that."}, {"start": "01:37:34", "end": "01:37:38", "text": ">> Just did three thrillers back to back"}, {"start": "01:37:35", "end": "01:37:39", "text": "toback and they were freaking awesome."}, {"start": "01:37:38", "end": "01:37:42", "text": "So it's"}, {"start": "01:37:39", "end": "01:37:44", "text": ">> uh Yeah, I just the library yesterday."}, {"start": "01:37:42", "end": "01:37:46", "text": ">> What were the names of the books? one"}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:47", "text": "one uh the only one left by Riley Sagar."}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:49", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:37:47", "end": "01:37:52", "text": ">> Sager so stinking good and it's just"}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:54", "text": "like that perfect it's like Maine in the"}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:37:56", "text": "60s a mansion haunted mansion on a cliff"}, {"start": "01:37:54", "end": "01:37:58", "text": "overlooking the like it's just"}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:00", "text": ">> it's like very Stephen King feel but"}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:01", "text": "it's very good."}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:02", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:38:01", "end": "01:38:03", "text": ">> which one do you want to hear about?"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:04", "text": ">> Mince meat."}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:05", "text": ">> Mince meat. Mince meat."}, {"start": "01:38:04", "end": "01:38:08", "text": ">> Which one do you like more?"}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:10", "text": ">> I mean it's the van meter visitor is a"}, {"start": "01:38:08", "end": "01:38:11", "text": "great crypted but then also like"}, {"start": "01:38:10", "end": "01:38:13", "text": ">> we haven't done a crypted in a while."}, {"start": "01:38:11", "end": "01:38:14", "text": ">> Okay. All right. You have some some"}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "stuff, too. Okay. Florida crypted. All"}, {"start": "01:38:14", "end": "01:38:16", "text": "right. So,"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:17", "text": ">> this episode's going to be a little"}, {"start": "01:38:16", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "longer."}, {"start": "01:38:17", "end": "01:38:19", "text": ">> Okay. This is a lot of fun stories,"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:21", "text": "though. We have a lot of good stuff. All"}, {"start": "01:38:19", "end": "01:38:25", "text": "right. So, this is the story of the"}, {"start": "01:38:21", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "land. Oh,"}, {"start": "01:38:25", "end": "01:38:32", "text": ">> BC,000 BC. This is the story of the Van"}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:37", "text": "Meter visitor. Okay. Late night"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:39", "text": "September 1903 in Van Meter, Iowa. It's"}, {"start": "01:38:37", "end": "01:38:41", "text": "a town of 900 people. Pretty small town,"}, {"start": "01:38:39", "end": "01:38:44", "text": "right? There's a farmer, his name is"}, {"start": "01:38:41", "end": "01:38:47", "text": "Eugene. He's walking home after a long"}, {"start": "01:38:44", "end": "01:38:48", "text": "day at 1:00 am. He's walking down Main"}, {"start": "01:38:47", "end": "01:38:50", "text": "Street and heading home just a few"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:54", "text": "blocks away from his house. All of a"}, {"start": "01:38:50", "end": "01:38:57", "text": "sudden, he sees this bright unnatural"}, {"start": "01:38:54", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "light coming from the top of a two-story"}, {"start": "01:38:57", "end": "01:39:00", "text": "building in his town that he's grown up"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "in. He's never seen this type of light."}, {"start": "01:39:00", "end": "01:39:03", "text": "You imagine this is 1903. You don't have"}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:03", "text": "spotlights."}, {"start": "01:39:03", "end": "01:39:06", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:39:03", "end": "01:39:08", "text": ">> On the tops of buildings. and he stops"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:10", "text": "and he freezes and he looks up and the"}, {"start": "01:39:08", "end": "01:39:13", "text": "light shifts towards him almost as if"}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "it's a spotlight and it looks away and"}, {"start": "01:39:13", "end": "01:39:17", "text": "he gets closer and he hollers because"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:19", "text": "there's nobody going to be working at"}, {"start": "01:39:17", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "this time of night. No lantern that"}, {"start": "01:39:19", "end": "01:39:25", "text": "shines that bright. What is happening?"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:28", "text": "Suddenly this light jumps across the"}, {"start": "01:39:25", "end": "01:39:30", "text": "street and lands on the other side of"}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:32", "text": "the street on top of a building. It"}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "stays there and it looks back at him,"}, {"start": "01:39:32", "end": "01:39:38", "text": "looks away, jumps across the street. He"}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:40", "text": "hears a weird flapping noise and he has"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "no idea what he's seeing. He's frozen in"}, {"start": "01:39:40", "end": "01:39:47", "text": "fear. Suddenly, this thing jumps up"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:48", "text": "floating above the street, flies"}, {"start": "01:39:47", "end": "01:39:50", "text": "straight north."}, {"start": "01:39:48", "end": "01:39:53", "text": ">> Pardon?"}, {"start": "01:39:50", "end": "01:39:55", "text": ">> Just out of sight, gone."}, {"start": "01:39:53", "end": "01:39:57", "text": "Wakes up the next day telling a couple"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:39:59", "text": "of friends, not telling a whole lot of"}, {"start": "01:39:57", "end": "01:40:01", "text": "people because he has no idea what he"}, {"start": "01:39:59", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "saw. He's very, very scared. The second"}, {"start": "01:40:01", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "night, a doctor, Dr. Alcott, was asleep"}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:11", "text": "in his downtown office,"}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:14", "text": "gets woken up by a bright light shining"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:17", "text": "into his room, wakes him up, scared to"}, {"start": "01:40:14", "end": "01:40:19", "text": "death, walks in front of the window, and"}, {"start": "01:40:17", "end": "01:40:20", "text": "sees a creature."}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:22", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "01:40:20", "end": "01:40:24", "text": ">> And I'm going to show you a picture of"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:29", "text": "what you what they describe this"}, {"start": "01:40:24", "end": "01:40:29", "text": "creature um to look like."}, {"start": "01:40:34", "end": "01:40:39", "text": "This thing was what you would imagine a"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "humanoid bat creature."}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:44", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:48", "text": ">> Staring right at him with four legs, a"}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:49", "text": "beak like a bird standing at over 9 ft"}, {"start": "01:40:48", "end": "01:40:51", "text": "tall."}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:53", "text": ">> Is this a real picture?"}, {"start": "01:40:51", "end": "01:40:55", "text": ">> I don't think it is, but that's when you"}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:58", "text": "search it up. That's"}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:41:01", "text": ">> I know who it is. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:40:58", "end": "01:41:05", "text": "It's absolutely terrifying. And so this"}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:06", "text": "guy uh sees the creature, he grabs his"}, {"start": "01:41:05", "end": "01:41:10", "text": "gun that's in the corner of the room,"}, {"start": "01:41:06", "end": "01:41:13", "text": "shoots five times. The creature does"}, {"start": "01:41:10", "end": "01:41:15", "text": "nothing, screeches, flies away."}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:17", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:19", "text": ">> The third night, now at this time,"}, {"start": "01:41:17", "end": "01:41:21", "text": "rumors are spreading through the town,"}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:23", "text": "and there's a guy named Peter Dunn. He's"}, {"start": "01:41:21", "end": "01:41:25", "text": "a bank teller. He does not believe a"}, {"start": "01:41:23", "end": "01:41:27", "text": "word of it. He's a naysayer. He's"}, {"start": "01:41:25", "end": "01:41:28", "text": "doubting everyone. He's probably some"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "guy is trying to scare people so he can"}, {"start": "01:41:28", "end": "01:41:32", "text": "go in there and rob or whatever cuz he's"}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:36", "text": "that's the only logical conclusion in"}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:38", "text": "his mind. So he sleeps in the bank with"}, {"start": "01:41:36", "end": "01:41:42", "text": "a shotgun and he has woke up to a"}, {"start": "01:41:38", "end": "01:41:44", "text": "gurgling noise, a low but loud gurgling"}, {"start": "01:41:42", "end": "01:41:47", "text": "noise as if someone's choking."}, {"start": "01:41:44", "end": "01:41:50", "text": "He hears it from outside. He gets up and"}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:53", "text": "he looks out the window and standing out"}, {"start": "01:41:50", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "there once again is this creature. It"}, {"start": "01:41:53", "end": "01:42:01", "text": "shines its light, blinds him, he shoots,"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:03", "text": "the creature goes away, flies away. And"}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:07", "text": "the next morning, they walk outside that"}, {"start": "01:42:03", "end": "01:42:10", "text": "bank and they see two huge footprints"}, {"start": "01:42:07", "end": "01:42:12", "text": "about this big with three toes."}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:42:12", "end": "01:42:18", "text": ">> Three toes. Let me send you a picture."}, {"start": "01:42:14", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "They went out and they took uh plasters"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "of"}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:23", "text": ">> like plasters."}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:24", "text": ">> Yeah. Are those footprints made of"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:25", "text": "plaster? [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:26", "text": ">> Enough of that."}, {"start": "01:42:25", "end": "01:42:28", "text": ">> And they still have them [clears throat]"}, {"start": "01:42:26", "end": "01:42:31", "text": "um in a museum."}, {"start": "01:42:28", "end": "01:42:31", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "01:42:32", "end": "01:42:37", "text": ">> Plaster cast of footprints they found"}, {"start": "01:42:34", "end": "01:42:39", "text": "outside. On the fourth night, a man"}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:42", "text": "named OV White, he was a store owner. He"}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:44", "text": "was in his room above the sto his store"}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:47", "text": "and he also heard the same gurgling. He"}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:52", "text": "opened his window and he saw on the"}, {"start": "01:42:47", "end": "01:42:56", "text": "telephone pole this 9- foot creature"}, {"start": "01:42:52", "end": "01:42:58", "text": "just draped in its own wings. He yelled"}, {"start": "01:42:56", "end": "01:42:59", "text": "at it, took a shot at it. The thing"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:00", "text": "opened its wings."}, {"start": "01:42:59", "end": "01:43:03", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:43:00", "end": "01:43:07", "text": ">> And then out of nowhere, he smells an"}, {"start": "01:43:03", "end": "01:43:09", "text": "odor that is so"}, {"start": "01:43:07", "end": "01:43:10", "text": "disgusting that he literally can't help"}, {"start": "01:43:09", "end": "01:43:11", "text": "himself but look away and start"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "vomiting."}, {"start": "01:43:11", "end": "01:43:15", "text": ">> Ew."}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:17", "text": "It emitted some type of stench."}, {"start": "01:43:15", "end": "01:43:19", "text": ">> That's very common with these things."}, {"start": "01:43:17", "end": "01:43:21", "text": ">> It's very Yeah, we hear it all the time."}, {"start": "01:43:19", "end": "01:43:23", "text": ">> So, it was 9 feet tall, massive"}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:26", "text": "bird-like beak. I'll send you a drawing"}, {"start": "01:43:23", "end": "01:43:27", "text": "of what they uh they uh said it was"}, {"start": "01:43:26", "end": "01:43:28", "text": "supposed to look like."}, {"start": "01:43:27", "end": "01:43:30", "text": ">> Yeah, they got him in the footprint"}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:32", "text": "photos."}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:35", "text": ">> That building says Oie White."}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:37", "text": ">> Obie White. Oh, doesn't Yeah. Cool."}, {"start": "01:43:35", "end": "01:43:39", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:40", "text": "Okay. And so this is on the fifth night."}, {"start": "01:43:39", "end": "01:43:42", "text": "I mean, the whole town is going"}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:44", "text": "absolutely bonkers over this whole"}, {"start": "01:43:42", "end": "01:43:46", "text": "thing. And there was this one uh because"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:48", "text": "this uh Van Meter is a mining town, coal"}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:50", "text": "mining town. Cool. And so there's this"}, {"start": "01:43:48", "end": "01:43:53", "text": "one guy who had heard gurgling in the"}, {"start": "01:43:50", "end": "01:43:59", "text": "cave uh the night prior. So he got the"}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:44:03", "text": "the director uh J Al Plight Jr."}, {"start": "01:43:59", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "He gathered about five to six men. He"}, {"start": "01:44:03", "end": "01:44:06", "text": "stood out at front of the cave and they"}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:08", "text": "waited until 1:00 in the morning. It"}, {"start": "01:44:06", "end": "01:44:11", "text": "always came out early early in the"}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:14", "text": "morning and out came this creature"}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:16", "text": "gurgling at them with a tinier version"}, {"start": "01:44:14", "end": "01:44:17", "text": "of it."}, {"start": "01:44:16", "end": "01:44:19", "text": ">> Mama and its baby perhaps"}, {"start": "01:44:17", "end": "01:44:22", "text": ">> he reproduced."}, {"start": "01:44:19", "end": "01:44:24", "text": ">> They shot until they were out and it was"}, {"start": "01:44:22", "end": "01:44:27", "text": "unaffected. They once again opened up"}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:29", "text": "their wings. The smell came. All the men"}, {"start": "01:44:27", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "literally it's it was a stench that's"}, {"start": "01:44:29", "end": "01:44:33", "text": "unbearable. You can't even fight through"}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:35", "text": "that. They were all vomiting, turning"}, {"start": "01:44:33", "end": "01:44:37", "text": "away and all this stuff. The next"}, {"start": "01:44:35", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "morning, they went to the cave where"}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:40", "text": "they assumed that this thing lived,"}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:42", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:43", "text": ">> And they blew up the entrance and they"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:45", "text": "closed it off and it has been closed off"}, {"start": "01:44:43", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "ever since. Apparently, there's rumors"}, {"start": "01:44:45", "end": "01:44:47", "text": "that they excavated it and found"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:48", "text": "nothing,"}, {"start": "01:44:47", "end": "01:44:50", "text": ">> but that's it."}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> So, the town stopped mining as a result"}, {"start": "01:44:50", "end": "01:44:53", "text": "of this monster."}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:55", "text": ">> Yes. And it was a mining town. But you"}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "hear in Iowa, there are story after"}, {"start": "01:44:55", "end": "01:45:02", "text": "story of people, even up to 2023, of"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:06", "text": "people saying they saw this pterodactyl"}, {"start": "01:45:02", "end": "01:45:08", "text": "bat-like creature that is un incredibly"}, {"start": "01:45:06", "end": "01:45:10", "text": "large flying over them or on the side of"}, {"start": "01:45:08", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "the road. I We've talked about that"}, {"start": "01:45:10", "end": "01:45:13", "text": "story, I think, when it was like a guy"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:15", "text": "crossing a bridge and there was one"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "laying down and it got up and took off."}, {"start": "01:45:15", "end": "01:45:18", "text": ">> Something about Iowa,"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:20", "text": ">> but that is the story of the van meter"}, {"start": "01:45:18", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "visitor or the van meter monster. The"}, {"start": "01:45:20", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "light is crazy. Yeah, cuz it has a horn"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:25", "text": "that emits light. That's what it says."}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:26", "text": ">> What the flip?"}, {"start": "01:45:25", "end": "01:45:29", "text": ">> I know. It's weird, right?"}, {"start": "01:45:26", "end": "01:45:30", "text": ">> That's some Watchers kind of creation."}, {"start": "01:45:29", "end": "01:45:31", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:45:30", "end": "01:45:32", "text": ">> it's very scary."}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:34", "text": ">> Very good."}, {"start": "01:45:32", "end": "01:45:35", "text": ">> Yeah, it's fun, right? What's your"}, {"start": "01:45:34", "end": "01:45:37", "text": "crypted?"}, {"start": "01:45:35", "end": "01:45:40", "text": ">> Stinky crypted."}, {"start": "01:45:37", "end": "01:45:40", "text": "Are they all stinky?"}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:41", "text": ">> Me?"}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:44", "text": ">> Yeah, you. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:45", "text": ">> What's What's a photo? I I heard stinky"}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:46", "text": "crypted and I was like, where are we"}, {"start": "01:45:45", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "going?"}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:49", "text": ">> I'm just trying to figure out why it's"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:51", "text": "stinky. Enough of [laughter] that."}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:53", "text": ">> Stinkiest crypted in the world. I'm"}, {"start": "01:45:51", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "gonna share photos after the fact, but I"}, {"start": "01:45:53", "end": "01:45:57", "text": "do have photos of what I believe this"}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "is, but the question to introduce it"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "out. So, have you guys heard of"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:02", "text": "something called a Florida crawler?"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:02", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "01:46:02", "end": "01:46:03", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:46:02", "end": "01:46:05", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:46:03", "end": "01:46:07", "text": ">> Is like genuin like I hate that I found"}, {"start": "01:46:05", "end": "01:46:09", "text": "the story right before hunting season"}, {"start": "01:46:07", "end": "01:46:11", "text": "opens because it literally starts in"}, {"start": "01:46:09", "end": "01:46:13", "text": "North Florida and ends really close to"}, {"start": "01:46:11", "end": "01:46:14", "text": "where we are and it's freaking"}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:15", "text": "terrifying."}, {"start": "01:46:14", "end": "01:46:17", "text": ">> Sounds like me on the island."}, {"start": "01:46:15", "end": "01:46:19", "text": ">> Could be. I wonder if that was I became"}, {"start": "01:46:17", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "a crypted disorder because they saw me"}, {"start": "01:46:19", "end": "01:46:22", "text": "in the island behind the [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:23", "text": "perimeter. The gurgling is just you"}, {"start": "01:46:22", "end": "01:46:24", "text": "throwing up in the woods."}, {"start": "01:46:23", "end": "01:46:26", "text": ">> I'm trying to think with this. No, he"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:28", "text": "that's a scream. That would have been"}, {"start": "01:46:26", "end": "01:46:31", "text": "way scarier. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:46:28", "end": "01:46:35", "text": ">> Okay, so there are encounters starts out"}, {"start": "01:46:31", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "um around Tallahassee 2010 2011. Um"}, {"start": "01:46:35", "end": "01:46:41", "text": "there's this woman, she's driving down a"}, {"start": "01:46:37", "end": "01:46:43", "text": "back road and um after dark um she says"}, {"start": "01:46:41", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "something. She's like driving down this"}, {"start": "01:46:43", "end": "01:46:46", "text": "road. There's nothing out there. after"}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:49", "text": "dark, like right as it's setting,"}, {"start": "01:46:46", "end": "01:46:52", "text": "something like darts across the the"}, {"start": "01:46:49", "end": "01:46:55", "text": "road, she sees it, says it had pale"}, {"start": "01:46:52", "end": "01:46:57", "text": "skin, looked vaguely human, and it was"}, {"start": "01:46:55", "end": "01:47:01", "text": "running all fours before disappearing"}, {"start": "01:46:57", "end": "01:47:03", "text": "into the woods. Um, the story, which is"}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:04", "text": "propagated by her boyfriend, this is"}, {"start": "01:47:03", "end": "01:47:07", "text": "what makes me feel like it's a little"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:09", "text": "bit more legit. She saw it while that"}, {"start": "01:47:07", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "and like while she immediately tells her"}, {"start": "01:47:09", "end": "01:47:13", "text": "boyfriend and he continues to tell the"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:15", "text": "story and she's like stop freaking"}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:16", "text": "talking about it like he's the one who"}, {"start": "01:47:15", "end": "01:47:18", "text": "keeps saying but she said the weird"}, {"start": "01:47:16", "end": "01:47:21", "text": "thing about this this humanoid form that"}, {"start": "01:47:18", "end": "01:47:23", "text": "ran across is she was like I can't tell"}, {"start": "01:47:21", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "you why I like there's not something"}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:27", "text": "visual there she was like but I just had"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:30", "text": "this weird sense that it was female."}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:31", "text": "It's just like this. So pale skininned"}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:33", "text": "thing runs across the wood. She"}, {"start": "01:47:31", "end": "01:47:36", "text": "rationalizes and literally whatever it"}, {"start": "01:47:33", "end": "01:47:38", "text": "was no matter how many times you know"}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:40", "text": "like bear with mange all the things that"}, {"start": "01:47:38", "end": "01:47:42", "text": "people would say it was like nothing"}, {"start": "01:47:40", "end": "01:47:45", "text": "checks out. And so anyway, so that story"}, {"start": "01:47:42", "end": "01:47:47", "text": "gets talked about. This boyfriend keeps"}, {"start": "01:47:45", "end": "01:47:50", "text": "on talking about it, posts the story"}, {"start": "01:47:47", "end": "01:47:52", "text": "online and then a Tallahassee newspaper"}, {"start": "01:47:50", "end": "01:47:53", "text": "shares it and then someone reads the"}, {"start": "01:47:52", "end": "01:47:57", "text": "story and it's like how these things"}, {"start": "01:47:53", "end": "01:47:59", "text": "typically go like unconnected people. Um"}, {"start": "01:47:57", "end": "01:48:00", "text": "the Tallahassee newspaper reports it and"}, {"start": "01:47:59", "end": "01:48:01", "text": "then someone said their mother way back"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:03", "text": "in the 80s had a really similar"}, {"start": "01:48:01", "end": "01:48:06", "text": "encounter. And so this story goes she"}, {"start": "01:48:03", "end": "01:48:08", "text": "was walking down a fire road again same"}, {"start": "01:48:06", "end": "01:48:09", "text": "area. And um she had a dog that she"}, {"start": "01:48:08", "end": "01:48:12", "text": "would hike with. It was like her"}, {"start": "01:48:09", "end": "01:48:14", "text": "protector is a Rottweiler 150 lbs. Like"}, {"start": "01:48:12", "end": "01:48:17", "text": "this dog had a history of like running"}, {"start": "01:48:14", "end": "01:48:19", "text": "into stuff in the woods and it just like"}, {"start": "01:48:17", "end": "01:48:22", "text": "it almost like how they describe it like"}, {"start": "01:48:19", "end": "01:48:24", "text": "enjoyed the confrontation of like but"}, {"start": "01:48:22", "end": "01:48:25", "text": "apparently so they're walking down this"}, {"start": "01:48:24", "end": "01:48:29", "text": "thing and then she sees something"}, {"start": "01:48:25", "end": "01:48:31", "text": "unusual on the ground these enormous"}, {"start": "01:48:29", "end": "01:48:32", "text": "tracks that she can't place. As someone"}, {"start": "01:48:31", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "who hikes in the woods all the time,"}, {"start": "01:48:32", "end": "01:48:35", "text": "she's like, \"I don't know what the freak"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:36", "text": "those are.\" And she said, \"The weird"}, {"start": "01:48:35", "end": "01:48:40", "text": "thing is it wasn't like they were"}, {"start": "01:48:36", "end": "01:48:42", "text": "running, but they were spread each step"}, {"start": "01:48:40", "end": "01:48:45", "text": "so freaking far out.\" She was like, \"I"}, {"start": "01:48:42", "end": "01:48:47", "text": "don't understand what this is.\" And then"}, {"start": "01:48:45", "end": "01:48:50", "text": "she said she looks up to the woodline."}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:52", "text": "There's a cypress tree where she is. And"}, {"start": "01:48:50", "end": "01:48:56", "text": "something from around the tree just"}, {"start": "01:48:52", "end": "01:48:58", "text": "shifts over a little bit. the dog who"}, {"start": "01:48:56", "end": "01:49:00", "text": "enjoys confrontation as soon as that"}, {"start": "01:48:58", "end": "01:49:01", "text": "happened"}, {"start": "01:49:00", "end": "01:49:03", "text": ">> bolts. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:49:01", "end": "01:49:05", "text": ">> Literally turns. She has to run out of"}, {"start": "01:49:03", "end": "01:49:07", "text": "there with the dog. And this is the"}, {"start": "01:49:05", "end": "01:49:09", "text": "freaking creepiest detail about this"}, {"start": "01:49:07", "end": "01:49:11", "text": "encounter. She said what she saw like"}, {"start": "01:49:09", "end": "01:49:13", "text": "well you know the question what what are"}, {"start": "01:49:11", "end": "01:49:14", "text": "you looking at? What did it look like?"}, {"start": "01:49:13", "end": "01:49:16", "text": "And she like she's like it had dark"}, {"start": "01:49:14", "end": "01:49:17", "text": "eyes. You mean like black eyes? She's"}, {"start": "01:49:16", "end": "01:49:18", "text": "like it was like there was no eyes"}, {"start": "01:49:17", "end": "01:49:20", "text": "there. Oh"}, {"start": "01:49:18", "end": "01:49:23", "text": ">> like she can't she again there's this"}, {"start": "01:49:20", "end": "01:49:24", "text": "detail. It's just like I felt something"}, {"start": "01:49:23", "end": "01:49:26", "text": "and I don't have a memory of exactly"}, {"start": "01:49:24", "end": "01:49:27", "text": "what it looked like. So the first"}, {"start": "01:49:26", "end": "01:49:28", "text": "encounter is like it was female but I"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:32", "text": "can't tell you why. This encounter is"}, {"start": "01:49:28", "end": "01:49:32", "text": "like the eyes were like gone. There was"}, {"start": "01:49:32", "end": "01:49:33", "text": "like a void."}, {"start": "01:49:32", "end": "01:49:38", "text": ">> I believe her."}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:40", "text": ">> And so I reacting."}, {"start": "01:49:38", "end": "01:49:42", "text": ">> Anytime I read these stories I'm like"}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:43", "text": "these are fake. I hunt in the woods at"}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:45", "text": "night. Like I don't want to believe"}, {"start": "01:49:43", "end": "01:49:47", "text": "these things. Well it continues. This is"}, {"start": "01:49:45", "end": "01:49:51", "text": "dug up. I had the internet connect it"}, {"start": "01:49:47", "end": "01:49:52", "text": "for me but several um so I'm trying to"}, {"start": "01:49:51", "end": "01:49:54", "text": "think it's like four hours away from"}, {"start": "01:49:52", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "Tallahassee to Ocala about something"}, {"start": "01:49:54", "end": "01:49:57", "text": "like that. So there are"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:49:58", "text": ">> I was thinking about was Ocala these"}, {"start": "01:49:57", "end": "01:50:01", "text": "things hide in Ocala."}, {"start": "01:49:58", "end": "01:50:03", "text": ">> Uhhuh. Three hours away or I'm sorry"}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "four hours away. Three teenagers they"}, {"start": "01:50:03", "end": "01:50:06", "text": "were driving something shot across the"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "road 15t in front of their truck and"}, {"start": "01:50:06", "end": "01:50:12", "text": "they described it as pale skin."}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:16", "text": "I hate this. The body looked like that"}, {"start": "01:50:12", "end": "01:50:18", "text": "of an extremely old man. They were like"}, {"start": "01:50:16", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "long arms, long hands, long feet. And"}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:23", "text": "the detail that they locked in on, which"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:25", "text": "they said they did see, was in it looked"}, {"start": "01:50:23", "end": "01:50:27", "text": "as though he had like permanently"}, {"start": "01:50:25", "end": "01:50:27", "text": "exposed teeth."}, {"start": "01:50:27", "end": "01:50:29", "text": ">> Stop."}, {"start": "01:50:27", "end": "01:50:30", "text": ">> Like his skin had pulled back"}, {"start": "01:50:29", "end": "01:50:31", "text": ">> enough."}, {"start": "01:50:30", "end": "01:50:31", "text": ">> And so they're like,"}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:33", "text": ">> \"Wow.\""}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:34", "text": ">> Like literally 15 ft is close. You know"}, {"start": "01:50:33", "end": "01:50:36", "text": "what I mean? It's like the length of a"}, {"start": "01:50:34", "end": "01:50:38", "text": "car. So this thing"}, {"start": "01:50:36", "end": "01:50:39", "text": ">> this thing crossed right in front. It"}, {"start": "01:50:38", "end": "01:50:42", "text": "was running on all fours. That's the"}, {"start": "01:50:39", "end": "01:50:43", "text": "other detail. And uh it it ran across."}, {"start": "01:50:42", "end": "01:50:44", "text": ">> Scarious detail."}, {"start": "01:50:43", "end": "01:50:45", "text": ">> It ran [laughter] across the road. Oh, I"}, {"start": "01:50:44", "end": "01:50:47", "text": "forgot to mention"}, {"start": "01:50:45", "end": "01:50:49", "text": ">> incredibly fast. Disappeared in the"}, {"start": "01:50:47", "end": "01:50:51", "text": "woods. Um, and apparently these kids"}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:53", "text": "continued talking about it. They weren't"}, {"start": "01:50:51", "end": "01:50:55", "text": "like reserved. They're like, we all I I"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:50:57", "text": "mean, you get it's three people together"}, {"start": "01:50:55", "end": "01:50:58", "text": "like they were able to like affirm the"}, {"start": "01:50:57", "end": "01:50:59", "text": "story."}, {"start": "01:50:58", "end": "01:51:01", "text": ">> So, I start doing research. I start"}, {"start": "01:50:59", "end": "01:51:04", "text": "trying to find other connected stories"}, {"start": "01:51:01", "end": "01:51:08", "text": "of this and I run across um this"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:10", "text": "article. Shoot, I didn't write his name."}, {"start": "01:51:08", "end": "01:51:12", "text": "I'll insert it here. Anyways, the I"}, {"start": "01:51:10", "end": "01:51:15", "text": "found I found this other crypted and the"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:17", "text": "guy who posted about it I realized is"}, {"start": "01:51:15", "end": "01:51:20", "text": "connected to our buddies at expanded"}, {"start": "01:51:17", "end": "01:51:21", "text": "perspectives. And so I was like, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "01:51:20", "end": "01:51:23", "text": "let me I was like, you guys literally"}, {"start": "01:51:21", "end": "01:51:25", "text": "wrote a book with this dude.\" And I was"}, {"start": "01:51:23", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "like, \"Tell me.\" I was like, \"Cuz I"}, {"start": "01:51:25", "end": "01:51:28", "text": "found something creepy. I need to know"}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:29", "text": "that if this is real or if like this"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:30", "text": "dude's trustworthy.\" Like he's one of"}, {"start": "01:51:29", "end": "01:51:32", "text": "the best dudes. He like hunts down and"}, {"start": "01:51:30", "end": "01:51:34", "text": "researches these stories. So they"}, {"start": "01:51:32", "end": "01:51:36", "text": "weren't saying like he may have been"}, {"start": "01:51:34", "end": "01:51:38", "text": "posting about it to like gain more"}, {"start": "01:51:36", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "insight, but the fact that he was"}, {"start": "01:51:38", "end": "01:51:42", "text": "looking into it and talking about it"}, {"start": "01:51:40", "end": "01:51:44", "text": "does add some legitimacy. So at least"}, {"start": "01:51:42", "end": "01:51:46", "text": "the fact that like people are trying to"}, {"start": "01:51:44", "end": "01:51:47", "text": "convince people or people like really"}, {"start": "01:51:46", "end": "01:51:50", "text": "believe this has happened. But so in"}, {"start": "01:51:47", "end": "01:51:52", "text": "Ocala, there was this hunter. He'd been"}, {"start": "01:51:50", "end": "01:51:54", "text": "hunting this particular property. Sorry,"}, {"start": "01:51:52", "end": "01:51:56", "text": "not Ocala. Um, Central Florida. He'd"}, {"start": "01:51:54", "end": "01:51:59", "text": "been hunting this particular property"}, {"start": "01:51:56", "end": "01:52:00", "text": "for I think eight years. Put game"}, {"start": "01:51:59", "end": "01:52:02", "text": "cameras up. That's always the thing. if"}, {"start": "01:52:00", "end": "01:52:03", "text": "there's a Bigfoot, why is any on game"}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:05", "text": "camera and like all this sort of stuff."}, {"start": "01:52:03", "end": "01:52:07", "text": "Well, apparently the dude started"}, {"start": "01:52:05", "end": "01:52:09", "text": "realizing that his cameras were getting"}, {"start": "01:52:07", "end": "01:52:12", "text": "like jacked with like stuff was like"}, {"start": "01:52:09", "end": "01:52:13", "text": "messing um sometimes they were missing,"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:15", "text": "sometimes they were messed with. And a"}, {"start": "01:52:13", "end": "01:52:17", "text": "lot of hunters will like they'll do that"}, {"start": "01:52:15", "end": "01:52:18", "text": "like you're in my spot. I don't want you"}, {"start": "01:52:17", "end": "01:52:21", "text": "to put a camera back up. Don't want to"}, {"start": "01:52:18", "end": "01:52:22", "text": "hunt it. Let me send these photos."}, {"start": "01:52:21", "end": "01:52:24", "text": ">> This is what"}, {"start": "01:52:22", "end": "01:52:27", "text": "his game camera"}, {"start": "01:52:24", "end": "01:52:28", "text": ">> Oh my gosh, dude. I saw I saw a Tik Tok"}, {"start": "01:52:27", "end": "01:52:30", "text": "of one of these creatures, though. Did"}, {"start": "01:52:28", "end": "01:52:31", "text": "you guys see that one? I think I sent it"}, {"start": "01:52:30", "end": "01:52:32", "text": "to you. I think I showed you on the show"}, {"start": "01:52:31", "end": "01:52:32", "text": ">> in the backyard."}, {"start": "01:52:32", "end": "01:52:34", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:52:32", "end": "01:52:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:52:34", "end": "01:52:37", "text": ">> It sounds just like that"}, {"start": "01:52:36", "end": "01:52:39", "text": ">> before I hit send."}, {"start": "01:52:37", "end": "01:52:39", "text": ">> They're like, \"Where's the dog?\""}, {"start": "01:52:39", "end": "01:52:41", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:52:39", "end": "01:52:44", "text": ">> This is where Larry, this is west of"}, {"start": "01:52:41", "end": "01:52:46", "text": "Larry. So, to put legitimacy, Green"}, {"start": "01:52:44", "end": "01:52:48", "text": "Swamp, this is in that county, which is"}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:50", "text": "one of Florida's biggest like you can"}, {"start": "01:52:48", "end": "01:52:52", "text": "get lost out there sort of swamps. And"}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:54", "text": "it's actually where the Florida state"}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:56", "text": "record buck comes from. And this thing"}, {"start": "01:52:54", "end": "01:52:58", "text": "is just massive. And in Florida, you can"}, {"start": "01:52:56", "end": "01:53:00", "text": "kill a buck with only a 10-in tine. And"}, {"start": "01:52:58", "end": "01:53:02", "text": "so in Florida, for a deer to get so big"}, {"start": "01:53:00", "end": "01:53:04", "text": "that no one's ever seen it, like to be"}, {"start": "01:53:02", "end": "01:53:06", "text": "like a record buck, you've got it. The"}, {"start": "01:53:04", "end": "01:53:08", "text": "woods is so thick kind of anything can"}, {"start": "01:53:06", "end": "01:53:08", "text": "exist out there and no one would know."}, {"start": "01:53:08", "end": "01:53:09", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:53:08", "end": "01:53:10", "text": ">> Is the point I'm making."}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:12", "text": ">> Shiver."}, {"start": "01:53:10", "end": "01:53:15", "text": ">> That's where this dude sent in these"}, {"start": "01:53:12", "end": "01:53:15", "text": "photos from."}, {"start": "01:53:16", "end": "01:53:18", "text": ">> No, thank you."}, {"start": "01:53:17", "end": "01:53:20", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"start": "01:53:18", "end": "01:53:22", "text": ">> What the heck,"}, {"start": "01:53:20", "end": "01:53:24", "text": ">> dude? What do you do if you see that"}, {"start": "01:53:22", "end": "01:53:27", "text": "thing in the wild?"}, {"start": "01:53:24", "end": "01:53:30", "text": ">> What the heck is that?"}, {"start": "01:53:27", "end": "01:53:33", "text": "That does look like an old man."}, {"start": "01:53:30", "end": "01:53:34", "text": ">> I see. Yeah. Or a woman."}, {"start": "01:53:33", "end": "01:53:37", "text": ">> Like Larry Bird in his 90s."}, {"start": "01:53:34", "end": "01:53:39", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:53:37", "end": "01:53:40", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:53:39", "end": "01:53:42", "text": ">> So that's from a trail cam."}, {"start": "01:53:40", "end": "01:53:42", "text": ">> That's a trail cam."}, {"start": "01:53:42", "end": "01:53:45", "text": ">> Where else?"}, {"start": "01:53:42", "end": "01:53:47", "text": ">> So the guy deleted the So like he didn't"}, {"start": "01:53:45", "end": "01:53:49", "text": "send in the uh the edges of the trail"}, {"start": "01:53:47", "end": "01:53:51", "text": "cam photo. Like for instance, if I send"}, {"start": "01:53:49", "end": "01:53:53", "text": "you a photo for my trail cams, it'll say"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:56", "text": "date, time, brand. But if you see that I"}, {"start": "01:53:53", "end": "01:53:59", "text": "use Tacticam by reveal, you could go to"}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:54:01", "text": "Tacticam and say like because it's in a"}, {"start": "01:53:59", "end": "01:54:04", "text": "cloud. So Tacticam could pull it up. So"}, {"start": "01:54:01", "end": "01:54:05", "text": "this dude was like, I don't want I'm not"}, {"start": "01:54:04", "end": "01:54:08", "text": "talking. He was like, you can do your"}, {"start": "01:54:05", "end": "01:54:10", "text": "research. Thought you should know. So"}, {"start": "01:54:08", "end": "01:54:11", "text": "he's not looking for clout. He's like, I"}, {"start": "01:54:10", "end": "01:54:14", "text": "don't want to be attached to this crap"}, {"start": "01:54:11", "end": "01:54:16", "text": "at all. I would move."}, {"start": "01:54:14", "end": "01:54:18", "text": ">> I would never go hunting again. It's"}, {"start": "01:54:16", "end": "01:54:19", "text": "amazing you do, Andrew."}, {"start": "01:54:18", "end": "01:54:22", "text": ">> That's when there's an intruder in my"}, {"start": "01:54:19", "end": "01:54:23", "text": "house. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:54:22", "end": "01:54:26", "text": "I got I'm getting milk and cookies in"}, {"start": "01:54:23", "end": "01:54:27", "text": "the middle of the night."}, {"start": "01:54:26", "end": "01:54:30", "text": ">> Yeah, this is"}, {"start": "01:54:27", "end": "01:54:30", "text": ">> sleep naked. So, it's just [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:54:31", "end": "01:54:34", "text": ">> What's scary though is if you like"}, {"start": "01:54:32", "end": "01:54:36", "text": "circle Orlando, north of us, you get"}, {"start": "01:54:34", "end": "01:54:38", "text": "Ocala where the three teens had the"}, {"start": "01:54:36", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "encounter and then you go down to the"}, {"start": "01:54:38", "end": "01:54:41", "text": "southwest of Claremont, like toward"}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:43", "text": "Tallahassee, and that's the other swamp."}, {"start": "01:54:41", "end": "01:54:46", "text": "And so, like this region apparently has"}, {"start": "01:54:43", "end": "01:54:47", "text": "two uh two encounters like that. There's"}, {"start": "01:54:46", "end": "01:54:49", "text": "one more that you'll really like. This"}, {"start": "01:54:47", "end": "01:54:52", "text": "one's terrifying. This just got posted"}, {"start": "01:54:49", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "on the Alabama"}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:56", "text": "um or what are they called?"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:54:58", "text": ">> Greenbo Alabama."}, {"start": "01:54:56", "end": "01:54:58", "text": ">> Dude, that literally was in my head. I"}, {"start": "01:54:58", "end": "01:54:59", "text": "was like,"}, {"start": "01:54:58", "end": "01:55:01", "text": ">> \"Anytime I hear Alabama,"}, {"start": "01:54:59", "end": "01:55:02", "text": ">> dude, [laughter] Hayden, Alabama"}, {"start": "01:55:01", "end": "01:55:03", "text": "podcast. Don't know nothing about him,"}, {"start": "01:55:02", "end": "01:55:06", "text": "but the story was on there. Fisherman"}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:07", "text": "goes out in the Gulf. He's fishing"}, {"start": "01:55:06", "end": "01:55:09", "text": "having the time of his life.\" And I'm"}, {"start": "01:55:07", "end": "01:55:12", "text": "talking out there like sleeping on the"}, {"start": "01:55:09", "end": "01:55:14", "text": "water type out there trip. And uh"}, {"start": "01:55:12", "end": "01:55:15", "text": "they're catching fish. They're cleaning"}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "their catch all like, you know, it's"}, {"start": "01:55:15", "end": "01:55:18", "text": "like damn, it's dark in the middle of"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:19", "text": "the night. They anchor up. And then he"}, {"start": "01:55:18", "end": "01:55:22", "text": "said he looked up at the sky and he said"}, {"start": "01:55:19", "end": "01:55:24", "text": "it was like a ball of fire just went and"}, {"start": "01:55:22", "end": "01:55:26", "text": "like lit and he was like what the freak"}, {"start": "01:55:24", "end": "01:55:30", "text": "is that? Like his brain thought flare"}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:34", "text": "but it was hovering and then"}, {"start": "01:55:30", "end": "01:55:36", "text": "five in a single row. He's like"}, {"start": "01:55:34", "end": "01:55:38", "text": "what the like he was like he's like I'm"}, {"start": "01:55:36", "end": "01:55:40", "text": "tired. There's a glare. He was like how"}, {"start": "01:55:38", "end": "01:55:41", "text": "am I seeing like not double I'm seeing"}, {"start": "01:55:40", "end": "01:55:43", "text": "five. Starts freaking out. Looks at his"}, {"start": "01:55:41", "end": "01:55:44", "text": "radar. Nothing's on his radar cuz you"}, {"start": "01:55:43", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "know you have to have all of those like"}, {"start": "01:55:44", "end": "01:55:48", "text": "imaging things when you're out there."}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:51", "text": "But there is another ship like a few"}, {"start": "01:55:48", "end": "01:55:53", "text": "miles south of them. And he's like he's"}, {"start": "01:55:51", "end": "01:55:54", "text": "like it that it's not them. They're not"}, {"start": "01:55:53", "end": "01:55:57", "text": "shooting flares. He's like I don't know"}, {"start": "01:55:54", "end": "01:56:00", "text": "what I'm seeing. And then"}, {"start": "01:55:57", "end": "01:56:02", "text": "on the radio mayday mayday flares"}, {"start": "01:56:00", "end": "01:56:04", "text": "sighted. The other ship starts reporting"}, {"start": "01:56:02", "end": "01:56:05", "text": "that flares are in the sky. And he's"}, {"start": "01:56:04", "end": "01:56:06", "text": "like I don't know what I'm looking at."}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:08", "text": "Kind of looks like flares. Like hey"}, {"start": "01:56:06", "end": "01:56:11", "text": "Coast Guard like think you should get"}, {"start": "01:56:08", "end": "01:56:13", "text": "out there. Couple hours later nothing"}, {"start": "01:56:11", "end": "01:56:16", "text": "happens. We're still Is Coast Guard"}, {"start": "01:56:13", "end": "01:56:17", "text": "coming? like no respon coast guard which"}, {"start": "01:56:16", "end": "01:56:17", "text": "is supposed to be like"}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:18", "text": ">> yeah yeah"}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:19", "text": ">> here we are"}, {"start": "01:56:18", "end": "01:56:21", "text": ">> on it"}, {"start": "01:56:19", "end": "01:56:24", "text": ">> saying nothing literally after I think"}, {"start": "01:56:21", "end": "01:56:27", "text": "the third time the dude is like hey dude"}, {"start": "01:56:24", "end": "01:56:30", "text": "we uh we see it too it's not a flare um"}, {"start": "01:56:27", "end": "01:56:33", "text": "that's all that's all I'm going to say"}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:34", "text": "the next morning"}, {"start": "01:56:33", "end": "01:56:38", "text": "uh attention all mariners this is the"}, {"start": "01:56:34", "end": "01:56:41", "text": "Coast Guard uh we've investigated the uh"}, {"start": "01:56:38", "end": "01:56:44", "text": "the flare sightings uh uh no one's in"}, {"start": "01:56:41", "end": "01:56:47", "text": "distress um it's not a flare there and"}, {"start": "01:56:44", "end": "01:56:50", "text": "uh please stop reporting."}, {"start": "01:56:47", "end": "01:56:52", "text": "End of story. Coast Guard shut it down."}, {"start": "01:56:50", "end": "01:56:53", "text": "He's like the the fisherman's like I I"}, {"start": "01:56:52", "end": "01:56:57", "text": "don't I still don't know what that was,"}, {"start": "01:56:53", "end": "01:56:59", "text": "but he watched five in a row."}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:01", "text": ">> Glowing balls of fire."}, {"start": "01:56:59", "end": "01:57:02", "text": ">> Somebody give me one answer. Just one"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:04", "text": "[laughter] mystery."}, {"start": "01:57:02", "end": "01:57:07", "text": ">> But the Coast Guard basically was like,"}, {"start": "01:57:04", "end": "01:57:07", "text": "\"Drop it.\""}, {"start": "01:57:08", "end": "01:57:14", "text": ">> That's crazy. I have a story very"}, {"start": "01:57:11", "end": "01:57:16", "text": "similar to that. I know we're over time,"}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:19", "text": "but I want to tell it."}, {"start": "01:57:16", "end": "01:57:21", "text": ">> Guys, what do you think?"}, {"start": "01:57:19", "end": "01:57:22", "text": ">> Yeah. [cheering and applause]"}, {"start": "01:57:21", "end": "01:57:23", "text": ">> What do we think?"}, {"start": "01:57:22", "end": "01:57:26", "text": ">> Do it. Do it. Do it."}, {"start": "01:57:23", "end": "01:57:26", "text": ">> All right. Conspiracy Theories podcast."}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:28", "text": ">> I'm scared now."}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:29", "text": ">> I'm freaking scared, dude."}, {"start": "01:57:28", "end": "01:57:30", "text": ">> It's a good episode."}, {"start": "01:57:29", "end": "01:57:31", "text": ">> This one's not scary at all."}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:32", "text": ">> Oh, good."}, {"start": "01:57:31", "end": "01:57:33", "text": ">> Just kidding. It's a little scary."}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:35", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:57:33", "end": "01:57:37", "text": ">> Um, Conspiracy Theories Podcast did an"}, {"start": "01:57:35", "end": "01:57:41", "text": "episode on this. It's very fun. But it's"}, {"start": "01:57:37", "end": "01:57:42", "text": "the story of Frederick Valentic"}, {"start": "01:57:41", "end": "01:57:43", "text": "disappearance."}, {"start": "01:57:42", "end": "01:57:46", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:57:43", "end": "01:57:48", "text": ">> Who is like one of the more known"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:49", "text": "stories in Australia."}, {"start": "01:57:48", "end": "01:57:51", "text": ">> Fun."}, {"start": "01:57:49", "end": "01:57:52", "text": ">> And I'm not going to say why it's known"}, {"start": "01:57:51", "end": "01:57:53", "text": "because I want you guys to listen to"}, {"start": "01:57:52", "end": "01:57:54", "text": "this story."}, {"start": "01:57:53", "end": "01:57:57", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:57:54", "end": "01:57:59", "text": ">> So, October 21st,"}, {"start": "01:57:57", "end": "01:58:00", "text": ">> my birthday,"}, {"start": "01:57:59", "end": "01:58:04", "text": ">> 1978."}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:06", "text": ">> Oh, no. 20-year-old Australian pilot,"}, {"start": "01:58:04", "end": "01:58:10", "text": "Frederick Valentic,"}, {"start": "01:58:06", "end": "01:58:12", "text": "was a pilot, an amateur pilot trying to"}, {"start": "01:58:10", "end": "01:58:13", "text": "get his license for becoming a"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:14", "text": "commercial airline pilot."}, {"start": "01:58:13", "end": "01:58:16", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "01:58:14", "end": "01:58:18", "text": ">> Um, he had had about 150 hours of flying"}, {"start": "01:58:16", "end": "01:58:20", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "01:58:18", "end": "01:58:22", "text": "Everyone, all instructors and he was in"}, {"start": "01:58:20", "end": "01:58:24", "text": "the Air Force for Australia at one"}, {"start": "01:58:22", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "point. All of them said amazing flyer,"}, {"start": "01:58:24", "end": "01:58:29", "text": "very, very good flyer,"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:31", "text": ">> very good pilot. Um he took off from the"}, {"start": "01:58:29", "end": "01:58:36", "text": "Mora [snorts] Morabin airport near"}, {"start": "01:58:31", "end": "01:58:39", "text": "Melbourne. He rented a Cessna 182L. Took"}, {"start": "01:58:36", "end": "01:58:41", "text": "off and uh he was it was about a I think"}, {"start": "01:58:39", "end": "01:58:44", "text": "they said it was about a 70minute flight"}, {"start": "01:58:41", "end": "01:58:46", "text": "that he was taking and it was across a"}, {"start": "01:58:44", "end": "01:58:50", "text": "uh area in Australia called the Bass"}, {"start": "01:58:46", "end": "01:58:51", "text": "Strait toward King Island. So that's"}, {"start": "01:58:50", "end": "01:58:54", "text": "where he was going. It was over a body"}, {"start": "01:58:51", "end": "01:58:55", "text": "of water. They talked about um Frederick"}, {"start": "01:58:54", "end": "01:58:58", "text": "basically he really didn't like flying"}, {"start": "01:58:55", "end": "01:59:00", "text": "over water if he could avoid it, but it"}, {"start": "01:58:58", "end": "01:59:02", "text": "was just a short little trip. And so he"}, {"start": "01:59:00", "end": "01:59:07", "text": "took off"}, {"start": "01:59:02", "end": "01:59:11", "text": "um about 7:06 p.m. He's flying uh around"}, {"start": "01:59:07", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "4,500 feet um over this bass straight"}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:18", "text": "and um he talks to his uh air control"}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:23", "text": "guy"}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "and something happens and he disappears."}, {"start": "01:59:23", "end": "01:59:27", "text": "His father later that night is like,"}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:30", "text": "\"What happened to my son?\" Cops show up."}, {"start": "01:59:27", "end": "01:59:32", "text": "said, \"Your son's missing. We're We got"}, {"start": "01:59:30", "end": "01:59:33", "text": "a search party out there for him.\""}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:36", "text": ">> Plane and everything."}, {"start": "01:59:33", "end": "01:59:37", "text": ">> Plane and everything. Um and that was"}, {"start": "01:59:36", "end": "01:59:38", "text": "kind of it. They never found him."}, {"start": "01:59:37", "end": "01:59:40", "text": ">> Oh, no."}, {"start": "01:59:38", "end": "01:59:42", "text": ">> And the father's like, \"Can you please"}, {"start": "01:59:40", "end": "01:59:42", "text": "give us the last recording of him?\""}, {"start": "01:59:42", "end": "01:59:45", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:59:42", "end": "01:59:47", "text": ">> Cuz the one thing that we don't have of"}, {"start": "01:59:45", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "him is a a recording of his voice."}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:49", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:52", "text": ">> So, can we please just have that? And it"}, {"start": "01:59:49", "end": "01:59:54", "text": "took months cuz it was technically a"}, {"start": "01:59:52", "end": "01:59:55", "text": "classified under investigation"}, {"start": "01:59:54", "end": "01:59:57", "text": "recording."}, {"start": "01:59:55", "end": "01:59:59", "text": "They finally agreed to give him the"}, {"start": "01:59:57", "end": "02:00:01", "text": "recording as long as he never shared it"}, {"start": "01:59:59", "end": "02:00:02", "text": "to the public."}, {"start": "02:00:01", "end": "02:00:03", "text": ">> And he's like,"}, {"start": "02:00:02", "end": "02:00:04", "text": ">> and the father said,"}, {"start": "02:00:03", "end": "02:00:05", "text": ">> \"It's my son.\""}, {"start": "02:00:04", "end": "02:00:07", "text": ">> He said, \"I'll do whatever. I just want"}, {"start": "02:00:05", "end": "02:00:09", "text": "this recording.\""}, {"start": "02:00:07", "end": "02:00:12", "text": ">> So, he stayed true to his word. He never"}, {"start": "02:00:09", "end": "02:00:13", "text": "shared the recording of his son until he"}, {"start": "02:00:12", "end": "02:00:14", "text": "died."}, {"start": "02:00:13", "end": "02:00:14", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"start": "02:00:14", "end": "02:00:15", "text": ">> Good."}, {"start": "02:00:14", "end": "02:00:17", "text": ">> And then his family released the"}, {"start": "02:00:15", "end": "02:00:17", "text": "recording. Yeah. And this is what"}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:18", "text": "happened."}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:22", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "02:00:18", "end": "02:00:23", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. 7:06 p.m. Frederick is"}, {"start": "02:00:22", "end": "02:00:25", "text": "flying over the Bass Strait in"}, {"start": "02:00:23", "end": "02:00:27", "text": "Australia."}, {"start": "02:00:25", "end": "02:00:30", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "02:00:27", "end": "02:00:33", "text": "so, uh, he's talking to the controller"}, {"start": "02:00:30", "end": "02:00:35", "text": "and he asks, um, if there's any known"}, {"start": "02:00:33", "end": "02:00:37", "text": "aircraft in his vicinity, in his"}, {"start": "02:00:35", "end": "02:00:39", "text": "vicinity. The controller says there's no"}, {"start": "02:00:37", "end": "02:00:43", "text": "known traffic."}, {"start": "02:00:39", "end": "02:00:47", "text": "Um, but Valantic Frederick says, \"Well,"}, {"start": "02:00:43", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "there's a large aircraft out here.\" And"}, {"start": "02:00:47", "end": "02:00:50", "text": "um he says, \"Okay, well, can you"}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:53", "text": "identify what it looks like?\" He said,"}, {"start": "02:00:50", "end": "02:00:55", "text": "\"I see four bright lights, almost like"}, {"start": "02:00:53", "end": "02:00:57", "text": "landing lights.\" Then the object"}, {"start": "02:00:55", "end": "02:01:00", "text": "apparently passed over him roughly a"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:01:02", "text": "thousand ft above his aircraft."}, {"start": "02:01:00", "end": "02:01:05", "text": "Valentage asks if there were any Air"}, {"start": "02:01:02", "end": "02:01:08", "text": "Force aircraft nearby. Again, no known"}, {"start": "02:01:05", "end": "02:01:10", "text": "aircraft. Then after he starts"}, {"start": "02:01:08", "end": "02:01:12", "text": "describing its behavior, he tells the"}, {"start": "02:01:10", "end": "02:01:15", "text": "controller that this thing keeps passing"}, {"start": "02:01:12", "end": "02:01:18", "text": "over him at speeds he can't identify."}, {"start": "02:01:15", "end": "02:01:19", "text": "And it seems uh it says that it seems"}, {"start": "02:01:18", "end": "02:01:22", "text": "like whoever is controlling it is"}, {"start": "02:01:19", "end": "02:01:24", "text": "playing quote playing some sort of game."}, {"start": "02:01:22", "end": "02:01:27", "text": ">> Oh my word."}, {"start": "02:01:24", "end": "02:01:29", "text": ">> Um so the controls like yeah we don't"}, {"start": "02:01:27", "end": "02:01:33", "text": "know there's literally nothing in your"}, {"start": "02:01:29", "end": "02:01:36", "text": "area. Um then it goes away for a bit and"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:38", "text": "then it comes back. Um he gets a better"}, {"start": "02:01:36", "end": "02:01:41", "text": "look at it. The controller asked him to"}, {"start": "02:01:38", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "describe the aircraft. Valent said it's"}, {"start": "02:01:41", "end": "02:01:48", "text": "a long shape. Uh then he says the object"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:50", "text": "appears to be orbiting above him while"}, {"start": "02:01:48", "end": "02:01:51", "text": "he's circling."}, {"start": "02:01:50", "end": "02:01:53", "text": "Yeah. So he's like I guess flying"}, {"start": "02:01:51", "end": "02:01:55", "text": "around. This thing is just hovering"}, {"start": "02:01:53", "end": "02:01:56", "text": "above his aircraft."}, {"start": "02:01:55", "end": "02:01:59", "text": ">> Terrifying."}, {"start": "02:01:56", "end": "02:02:02", "text": ">> Um and then he says it has a green"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:04", "text": "light. It appeared metallic and looks"}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:07", "text": "shiny on the outside. This is what he's"}, {"start": "02:02:04", "end": "02:02:10", "text": "saying to the controller. Um, and then"}, {"start": "02:02:07", "end": "02:02:13", "text": "at some point the object just disappears"}, {"start": "02:02:10", "end": "02:02:16", "text": "and then it comes back and now it's"}, {"start": "02:02:13", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "approaching from another direction."}, {"start": "02:02:16", "end": "02:02:20", "text": "Val Frederick's engine starts"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:22", "text": "malfunctioning."}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:25", "text": "Um, approximately 7-Eleven to 712."}, {"start": "02:02:22", "end": "02:02:27", "text": "Valantic reports another problem. Um,"}, {"start": "02:02:25", "end": "02:02:29", "text": "his Cessna engine is running roughly."}, {"start": "02:02:27", "end": "02:02:33", "text": "The controller asked, \"What are your"}, {"start": "02:02:29", "end": "02:02:35", "text": "intentions?\" Valentine's"}, {"start": "02:02:33", "end": "02:02:37", "text": "running bad. Valantic says he intends to"}, {"start": "02:02:35", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "continue towards King Island because I"}, {"start": "02:02:37", "end": "02:02:44", "text": "guess he was getting close. Um, and then"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:45", "text": "this is the final thing he said. He"}, {"start": "02:02:44", "end": "02:02:48", "text": "says, \"That strange aircraft is back."}, {"start": "02:02:45", "end": "02:02:52", "text": "It's hovering on top of me again."}, {"start": "02:02:48", "end": "02:02:55", "text": "Silence. It's not an aircraft.\""}, {"start": "02:02:52", "end": "02:02:57", "text": "And then the microphone remained open."}, {"start": "02:02:55", "end": "02:02:59", "text": "And the controller said for"}, {"start": "02:02:57", "end": "02:03:02", "text": "approximately 17 seconds, the recording"}, {"start": "02:02:59", "end": "02:03:04", "text": "captures strange pulsing metallic"}, {"start": "02:03:02", "end": "02:03:06", "text": "noises."}, {"start": "02:03:04", "end": "02:03:09", "text": "And then nothing."}, {"start": "02:03:06", "end": "02:03:11", "text": ">> What does it mean not an aircraft?"}, {"start": "02:03:09", "end": "02:03:12", "text": "Anything flying, even though it's weird,"}, {"start": "02:03:11", "end": "02:03:14", "text": "you would say it's an aircraft."}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:17", "text": ">> He said it was not an aircraft. He said,"}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:17", "text": "\"This thing is over me again. It's not"}, {"start": "02:03:17", "end": "02:03:18", "text": "an aircraft.\""}, {"start": "02:03:17", "end": "02:03:19", "text": ">> What year?"}, {"start": "02:03:18", "end": "02:03:19", "text": ">> Even though it's a UFO"}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:21", "text": ">> 1978."}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:22", "text": ">> So yeah, he would have had the UFO"}, {"start": "02:03:21", "end": "02:03:25", "text": "language or blame."}, {"start": "02:03:22", "end": "02:03:27", "text": ">> Well, here's the thing. The UFO stuff"}, {"start": "02:03:25", "end": "02:03:30", "text": "investig There was a yearslong"}, {"start": "02:03:27", "end": "02:03:32", "text": "investigation of this thing."}, {"start": "02:03:30", "end": "02:03:34", "text": "This is This is so strange. The"}, {"start": "02:03:32", "end": "02:03:36", "text": "government, this was a classified"}, {"start": "02:03:34", "end": "02:03:38", "text": "document. Like this investigation was"}, {"start": "02:03:36", "end": "02:03:40", "text": "classified up until a couple years ago,"}, {"start": "02:03:38", "end": "02:03:43", "text": "but the government basically put out,"}, {"start": "02:03:40", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "oh, Frederick was obsessed with UFOs."}, {"start": "02:03:43", "end": "02:03:47", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:50", "text": ">> basically he wanted to end his own life."}, {"start": "02:03:47", "end": "02:03:53", "text": "He came up with this story. So, cuz he's"}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "like, oh, UFOs, all this stuff. Turns"}, {"start": "02:03:53", "end": "02:03:58", "text": "out he did. He was interested in UFOs,"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "but all his um people"}, {"start": "02:03:58", "end": "02:04:00", "text": ">> who [cough]"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:04:01", "end": "02:04:03", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "02:04:02", "end": "02:04:05", "text": ">> do you have a heartbeat? I"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:07", "text": ">> mean, you're interested in UFOs."}, {"start": "02:04:05", "end": "02:04:08", "text": ">> The people that he worked with, his"}, {"start": "02:04:07", "end": "02:04:11", "text": "family, they're like, he never really"}, {"start": "02:04:08", "end": "02:04:14", "text": "talked about UFOs. In fact, a lot of his"}, {"start": "02:04:11", "end": "02:04:16", "text": "uh former employees were like, he never"}, {"start": "02:04:14", "end": "02:04:17", "text": "mentioned UFOs. He wasn't obsessed with"}, {"start": "02:04:16", "end": "02:04:18", "text": "UFOs."}, {"start": "02:04:17", "end": "02:04:20", "text": ">> Um, but to this day, they don't know"}, {"start": "02:04:18", "end": "02:04:21", "text": "where his aircraft is."}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:23", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:04:21", "end": "02:04:24", "text": ">> But, Nope."}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:04:24", "end": "02:04:28", "text": ">> Which I hate to think about. Nope."}, {"start": "02:04:26", "end": "02:04:31", "text": ">> That was a crazy movie."}, {"start": "02:04:28", "end": "02:04:31", "text": "the alien ingests."}, {"start": "02:04:32", "end": "02:04:35", "text": ">> So, they kind of just dismissed it. It's"}, {"start": "02:04:33", "end": "02:04:37", "text": "like he just he wanted in his life and"}, {"start": "02:04:35", "end": "02:04:39", "text": "he made up this story about UFOs. And"}, {"start": "02:04:37", "end": "02:04:41", "text": "all I'm saying is if the dude was a UFO"}, {"start": "02:04:39", "end": "02:04:42", "text": "researcher and that's what he's trying"}, {"start": "02:04:41", "end": "02:04:44", "text": "to get at,"}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:46", "text": ">> I'd have given you the best freaking"}, {"start": "02:04:44", "end": "02:04:46", "text": "description of what I was looking at."}, {"start": "02:04:46", "end": "02:04:48", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. But"}, {"start": "02:04:46", "end": "02:04:49", "text": ">> it looks like an alien, not an aircraft."}, {"start": "02:04:48", "end": "02:04:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:04:49", "end": "02:04:52", "text": ">> Well, that's the thing. He [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:54", "text": "never said UFO in the recordings cuz it"}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:55", "text": "didn't look like what he thought a UFO"}, {"start": "02:04:54", "end": "02:04:56", "text": "would look like."}, {"start": "02:04:55", "end": "02:04:57", "text": ">> And it's something like we're like"}, {"start": "02:04:56", "end": "02:04:59", "text": "that's what I'm saying. Like as far as"}, {"start": "02:04:57", "end": "02:05:00", "text": "like if it even if it was a UFO that you"}, {"start": "02:04:59", "end": "02:05:01", "text": "could still call that some type of"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "aircraft"}, {"start": "02:05:01", "end": "02:05:04", "text": ">> to say it's not an aircraft. What the"}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:06", "text": " is he saying?"}, {"start": "02:05:04", "end": "02:05:08", "text": ">> I'm thinking cloaking, dude. Like if"}, {"start": "02:05:06", "end": "02:05:09", "text": "that's cuz he's saying it's appearing,"}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:11", "text": "it's disappearing. I'm like, I bet that"}, {"start": "02:05:09", "end": "02:05:14", "text": "thing was there. Here's the thing. His"}, {"start": "02:05:11", "end": "02:05:17", "text": "story was validated"}, {"start": "02:05:14", "end": "02:05:17", "text": "by four different witnesses."}, {"start": "02:05:17", "end": "02:05:18", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:05:17", "end": "02:05:20", "text": ">> The same night"}, {"start": "02:05:18", "end": "02:05:23", "text": ">> who were all along the Bass Straight,"}, {"start": "02:05:20", "end": "02:05:24", "text": "all reported separately"}, {"start": "02:05:23", "end": "02:05:26", "text": "without hearing Frederick's story. I"}, {"start": "02:05:24", "end": "02:05:28", "text": "think two of them heard Frederick's"}, {"start": "02:05:26", "end": "02:05:30", "text": "story, but two of them were like they"}, {"start": "02:05:28", "end": "02:05:32", "text": "reported seeing a strange series of"}, {"start": "02:05:30", "end": "02:05:35", "text": "lights that was traveling at crazy"}, {"start": "02:05:32", "end": "02:05:38", "text": "speeds over the Bass Straight. And one"}, {"start": "02:05:35", "end": "02:05:40", "text": "person thought it was a flare at first,"}, {"start": "02:05:38", "end": "02:05:41", "text": ">> but this flare appeared"}, {"start": "02:05:40", "end": "02:05:43", "text": ">> and then shot off."}, {"start": "02:05:41", "end": "02:05:43", "text": ">> They're like, \"Oh, that wasn't a flare.\""}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:50", "text": ">> All reported October 21st, 1978."}, {"start": "02:05:47", "end": "02:05:51", "text": ">> Man, but to this day, we still don't we"}, {"start": "02:05:50", "end": "02:05:52", "text": "know nothing."}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:05:53", "text": ">> Dang,"}, {"start": "02:05:52", "end": "02:05:54", "text": ">> that is wild. Frederick, if you're"}, {"start": "02:05:53", "end": "02:05:55", "text": "listening,"}, {"start": "02:05:54", "end": "02:05:56", "text": ">> we believe you."}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:05:59", "text": ">> When we get to Patreon, I'm going to"}, {"start": "02:05:56", "end": "02:06:01", "text": "give you a story uh of someone actually"}, {"start": "02:05:59", "end": "02:06:02", "text": "seeing a light and kind of figuring out"}, {"start": "02:06:01", "end": "02:06:04", "text": "what it was."}, {"start": "02:06:02", "end": "02:06:07", "text": ">> You know, there was actually um"}, {"start": "02:06:04", "end": "02:06:10", "text": ">> I reported a uh probably the brightest"}, {"start": "02:06:07", "end": "02:06:14", "text": "flare that I've ever seen that uh on"}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:14", "text": "October 21st, 1992."}, {"start": "02:06:14", "end": "02:06:18", "text": ">> His name is Josh Hooper."}, {"start": "02:06:16", "end": "02:06:19", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:06:18", "end": "02:06:22", "text": ">> A Star Is Born."}, {"start": "02:06:19", "end": "02:06:23", "text": ">> Yeah, a big one. Speaking of Stars Born,"}, {"start": "02:06:22", "end": "02:06:25", "text": "we got an episode right after this on"}, {"start": "02:06:23", "end": "02:06:26", "text": "patreon.com/ninjas"}, {"start": "02:06:25", "end": "02:06:30", "text": "of butterflies or you can become a"}, {"start": "02:06:26", "end": "02:06:31", "text": "YouTube member. Yes, I have a crazy"}, {"start": "02:06:30", "end": "02:06:33", "text": "story. We have one story from Andrew"}, {"start": "02:06:31", "end": "02:06:37", "text": "that he's going to talk about. I have a"}, {"start": "02:06:33", "end": "02:06:39", "text": "crazy story that is too much for YouTube"}, {"start": "02:06:37", "end": "02:06:40", "text": "and Spotify. We will get flagged if we"}, {"start": "02:06:39", "end": "02:06:41", "text": "talk about this story."}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:42", "text": ">> Are we going to talk about the Bohemian"}, {"start": "02:06:41", "end": "02:06:45", "text": "guy?"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:45", "text": ">> No. No. This one is"}, {"start": "02:06:45", "end": "02:06:47", "text": ">> crazy."}, {"start": "02:06:45", "end": "02:06:48", "text": ">> We will talk about the Bohemian Grove"}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "guy."}, {"start": "02:06:48", "end": "02:06:51", "text": ">> This isn't [cough] scary. It's just"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:52", "text": "stuff that would get flagged."}, {"start": "02:06:51", "end": "02:06:53", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:54", "text": ">> But it's a crazy conspiracy."}, {"start": "02:06:53", "end": "02:06:55", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:58", "text": ">> Yeah. I got a couple more things."}, {"start": "02:06:55", "end": "02:06:59", "text": ">> A guy broke into Bohemian Grove and got"}, {"start": "02:06:58", "end": "02:07:00", "text": "some video. We're going to talk about"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:02", "text": "that as well."}, {"start": "02:07:00", "end": "02:07:02", "text": ">> Not the same guy that got like that, you"}, {"start": "02:07:02", "end": "02:07:05", "text": "know."}, {"start": "02:07:02", "end": "02:07:07", "text": ">> We'll talk about We'll talk about"}, {"start": "02:07:05", "end": "02:07:09", "text": ">> um everybody who has an extra dollar to"}, {"start": "02:07:07", "end": "02:07:12", "text": "spare and wants to help out, go visit"}, {"start": "02:07:09", "end": "02:07:13", "text": "convoyof hope.com.org"}, {"start": "02:07:12", "end": "02:07:16", "text": "ninjas."}, {"start": "02:07:13", "end": "02:07:18", "text": ">> Yes, please. Thank you so much for that."}, {"start": "02:07:16", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "Um, if you have more dollars after that,"}, {"start": "02:07:18", "end": "02:07:21", "text": "you can go to sunnyquestwag.com."}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:23", "text": "But I'm [laughter] going to tell you"}, {"start": "02:07:21", "end": "02:07:26", "text": "right now, if you're going to buy swag,"}, {"start": "02:07:23", "end": "02:07:28", "text": "wait one more week. Wait one more month."}, {"start": "02:07:26", "end": "02:07:30", "text": "Go don tanked you, Goomer."}, {"start": "02:07:28", "end": "02:07:31", "text": ">> Go donate to Columbia. All right, guys."}, {"start": "02:07:30", "end": "02:07:34", "text": "We'll see you on Patreon. YouTube"}, {"start": "02:07:31", "end": "02:07:36", "text": "members. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye."}, {"start": "02:07:34", "end": "02:07:39", "text": ">> What you're about to see are"}, {"start": "02:07:36", "end": "02:07:39", "text": ">> they disturb you. If any of you know"}, {"start": "02:07:39", "end": "02:07:42", "text": "what these"}, {"start": "02:07:39", "end": "02:07:44", "text": ">> multi-deade UAPs are aliens going to"}, {"start": "02:07:42", "end": "02:07:45", "text": "have a heart attack when you see your"}, {"start": "02:07:44", "end": "02:07:46", "text": "life"}, {"start": "02:07:45", "end": "02:07:48", "text": ">> bottl-nose fish."}, {"start": "02:07:46", "end": "02:07:49", "text": ">> There's a massive police respond"}, {"start": "02:07:48", "end": "02:07:50", "text": ">> on the dolphin plane."}, {"start": "02:07:49", "end": "02:07:54", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"start": "02:07:50", "end": "02:07:54", "text": ">> Dolphin attack."}, {"start": "02:07:54", "end": "02:07:56", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:08:03", "text": ">> I have to pee so bad."}, {"start": "02:08:01", "end": "02:08:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:13", "text": "You're responsible"}]

[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "[music] Welcome back to Third Phase of"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "Moon. You've got Blake and Bright"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "Cousins, and we've got incredible UFO"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "sightings coming in from around the"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "world. Buckle up. Let's get to it. This"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "coming out of northern Brazil."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "because"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "we"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "saw me."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "This is spec."}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "Oh."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "Oh,"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "this is in here."}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "safe."}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": ">> Right. What's going on in Brazil? We've"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "got the incredible video just released"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "moments ago right here. Breaking news at"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "third phase of moon of what looks to be"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "a massive craft hovering in the sky. The"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "video lasts for quite some time. It just"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "moves ever so slowly"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "from right to left and uh we're trying"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "to make out what it is. And at the"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "moment, we don't know. Brent, your"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "thoughts here."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "Yeah, look at this thing. It's massive."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "And it's just hovering over the city of"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "Brazil. And you could see it. People may"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "say, \"This looks like a mother ship.\""}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "And I I kind of agree. This thing's"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "huge. And look at it just kind of moving"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "from right to left ever so slowly."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "People are asking the big question,"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "\"What is this?\" And we're asking it,"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "too."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "We we need more videos of this event"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "because if this was actually over Brazil"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "and you see the size of this thing, I'm"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "sure there's going to be more witnesses"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "coming forward."}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "Yeah, we're not seeing any means of"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "manipulation. What we're looking at is"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "legitimate footage. Uh some people might"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "speculate that this is some kind of"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "massive barge container on the ocean or"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "something like that. I don't know. I'm"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "not making out a ship. I'm just making"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "out these lights hovering in the sky. So"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "guys, we want to get your thoughts with"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "regards to this incredible video coming"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "out of northern Brazil. The guy pulls"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "over on a quiet road at night and sees"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "the phenomenon and begins to film. Ask"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "questions. Shoot first, ask questions"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "later. And right now, we're asking the"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "big question. What the heck are we"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "looking at here?"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "Let's get this extreme closeup. This is"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "amazing stuff. If I fast forwarded it"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "about 400% so you can see this craft as"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "it just glides across the night sky."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Incredible. Now more videos into third"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "phase of moon. This one coming out of"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "China moments ago. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "Right, let's get a closeup of this craft"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "just hovering through the skies from"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "right to left on a mission. You can see"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "it semi-trans"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> uh the transparency behind the clouds."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "It's up there in the sky. 100%"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "legitimate footage. And you see this"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "commercial airliner way off in the"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "distance. Obviously much further than"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "the craft we're looking at right now."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "But look at the size of this thing."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "Our thoughts and prayers are out with"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "for the people in China and the Nepal"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "region. What happened over there?"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "Incredible,"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "disastrous. But right now, we're looking"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "at something uh over once again in"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "China. A lot of UFOs coming out of there"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "lately. What do you make of this craft,"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "Brent? Look at the size of that thing."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "It's like It seems"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "I'm not sure what to make of it. It"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "doesn't quite look like a metallic"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "structure. Almost looks like a a bunch"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "of like particles"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "bunched together."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "This is weird. Look at this. It almost"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "looks like some sort of tadpole without"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "the tail on it, a teardrop."}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "Just a very strange footage coming in"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "right now at Third Phase Moon. It's kind"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "of baffling what we're looking at, but"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "uh that's what we're here for. We're"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "showing you the videos that we can't"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "explain. Now, let's get to the next UFO"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "video. The phenomenon continues 24/7"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "right here."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "Right, we're going to look at this one."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "Once again, we don't have the exact"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "location at the moment, but we're"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "looking at a series of lights,"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "two trails of lights just kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "forming orbs in front of it and then"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "dissipating behind it. But look at how"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "high they're up in the clouds."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "the the visual just lasted for a little"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "bit this sighting, but man, I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "glad what they got. They were able to"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "film it and post it. And we're looking"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "at something that I believe here is"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "legitimate. Brent, your thoughts on"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "that? Yeah, it's looking pretty legit to"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "me, Blake. And again, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "these charged clusters high above the"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "clouds there that are illuminating the"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "clouds itself, this golden color."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "And they seem to be multiple orbs up"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "there just kind of dancing up there."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "What are they doing? This is incredible"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "footage right here. Absolutely, Brent."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "It's almost like the chariots of fire."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "Biblical UFO sightings. Maybe this is"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "what they saw. Now, [music] more coming"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "into third phase coming out of Colombia."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "Once again, the phenomenon continues"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "with this type of UFO. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "[music] Yes, it is."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Hey, don't"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "It's a little man."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "All right, let's get a closer look at"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "this craft. Once again, broad daylight"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "sighting. Colombia is just off the hook"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "for UFOs recently, and we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "it, and I love this one because it it"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "lasted for quite some time. Once again,"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "we have a commercial airliner behind"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "another UFO. Come on, guys. It's it just"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "is these pilots are seeing something."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "It's It's guaranteed. But what we're"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "looking at here is guaranteed 100%"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "legitimate footage. And uh it's hovering"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "over a pretty major city in Colombia."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "Brett, what do you make of it before we"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "get to the next UFO? It's back. 2026 is"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "lighting up over Colombia in the South"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "American region. These kind of UFOs are"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "just showing up everywhere and they're"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "not hiding anymore. You can see the"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "commercial airliner in the back kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "giving it a little scale. And yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "believe this UFO is a little closer to"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "us than the airliner itself. But this"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "thing's massive. What are we looking at"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "here?"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "Look at the bird activity around this"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "video. Unmanipulated"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "100% legitimate footage coming here at"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "Thirdphase Moon. Now take a look at"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "this. Could this be some kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "biological worm in in the night sky"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "captured on video? Take a look."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "By the way,"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "All right, there it was. And uh let's"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "look at it one more time before we get"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "to the next UFO video. But this is"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "pretty strange. I'm It's just I really"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "can't make out what it is, but it's a"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "series of strobing lights like a string"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "flashing,"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "hovering in the sky. And uh it's just uh"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "kind of unexplained. Once again, just"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "we're kind of baffled. Look at the thing"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "just twisting on the top there, Brent."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "Wow. You can see this thing's kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "just putting off a lot of static and"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "it's just this electricity kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "floating all around it. It's moving"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "somewhat kind of erratically when it"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "blinks on and off like this strobe"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "light. What is this? What's keeping this"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "in the sky?"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "Yeah, I don't see any drones up there"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "suspending this thing. Whatever it is,"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "it's kind of suspended in air off its"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "own source of energy that we can't see."}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "But look at the plasmic display here."}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "All right, more videos into third phase."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "Buckle up. Let's roll it."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> Are you serious right now?"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": ">> It's getting closer to you. All"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": ">> right, pretty quick video. We're looking"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "at it. A commercial airliner now. This"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "time being flanked or chased by unknown"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "object on its tail. Look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "All right, we're going to get some uh"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "close-ups. And uh you know, I just I'm"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "just amazed with the UFO and these"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "commercial airliners and their close"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "proximity to one another. And uh we're"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "seeing it broad daylight evidence,"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "non-manipulated, of a a UFO, multiple"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "white witnesses on the ground. They"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "can't explain what they're looking at,"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "but they managed to pull their phone out"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "and capture it, and they got it. It's a"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "little shaky, but man, we're making out"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "uh something really concerning here."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "Brent, what's your thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "Wow, look at the people. They're just"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "they're stunned. They're looking up."}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "Everybody's just kind of in shock. And"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "this guy pulls out the camera and gets"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "kind of not the most perfect shot, but"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "just enough to get evidence, clear"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "evidence of something, some unidentified"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "flying object chasing this commercial"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "airliner. And it gets in pretty close"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "range, a little too close in my opinion,"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "but the phenomenon's up there. And if"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "these are the UA or basically UFOs,"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "otherworldly technology, I'm feeling"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "pretty confident they're not going to be"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "crashing into our planes. But at the"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "same time, we're looking at an event"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "that's happening that's captured [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "by camera by real eyewitnesses. That's"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "the best part. Yeah. Remember, uh Brett,"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "when we broke the news four or five days"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "prior to the major media picking up on"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "it, when the American Airlines, we"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "received the ham radio from Jim Goodall."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "And uh the hammer radio was intercepted"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "from commercial airline pilots aboard an"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "American Airlines where they said they"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "could see a large cylindrical object"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "that just passed over him. And we broke"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "that news on Third Phase of Moon. And it"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "took 5 days before the major media even"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "spoke of it. And they didn't give credit"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "where Third Phase Moon broke that news."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "But I'm wondering if this airline pilot"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "was aware of this object telling it."}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "Crazy stuff. Now take a look at this. a"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "seven minute video."}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "We're just gonna let it roll. It's"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "pretty wild."}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "A metallic cylindrical object just"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "hovering in the sky off at the distance."}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "And like I said, this video lasts for 7"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "minutes. And uh let's just kick back."}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "zoom in any further with my eyes. I can"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "see it."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "Okay, I've been watching this thing for"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "maybe four or five minutes now. It has"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "not moved."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "Sphere. That's as far as I can zoom in."}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "I don't know what the it is. It's"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "not moving. That's the boat moving under"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "it for reference."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "Barcelona"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "time is I don't even know. I can't see"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "the car. I think it's about 6:30 p.m."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "Holy"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "Okay, video number four is to show you"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "this thing's hovering. [music] It's come"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "back down. Let's see if"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "it was come back down."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "recovery."}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "I was going to get the door."}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "Oh my god."}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "I have no idea."}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "It's like Vietnam. It's going lower and"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "lower."}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "Just getting further away."}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "What?"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "It's Please don't."}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "I don't know."}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "Absolutely great."}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "Stay inside."}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "Come"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "on. Good job."}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "All right, there you go. Some people"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "just say, \"Why don't you just show the"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "whole video?\" Well, that's pretty much"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "all that the eyewitness captured. Pretty"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "much approximately 7 minutes of"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "authentic UFO footage. And I love this"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "contrast here between the sailboat and"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "the UFO. And you could get the size"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "comparison. This thing's off at a"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "distance."}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "And uh look how windy it is. But this"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "thing remains stationary over the ocean,"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "right? Yeah. Look at this as it's about"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "to pass a cell over there. Pretty"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "incredible shot. I I think this object"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "is way far. It's far pretty much close"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "close to the horizon right there, which"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "means that this thing's floating quite a"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "bit up in the sky. I would say almost"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "about 500 ft. And this thing's massive."}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "Is this one of these UFOs that are"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "coming out of the oceans because uh"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "that's what everybody's saying that"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "civilizations, other ones that we're not"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "familiar with, could be hiding in our"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "large bodies of water around our planet."}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "All right, let's uh hit the road and"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "take a look at this crazy video. A major"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "city during a lightning storm reveals"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "a huge unknown object in the night sky"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "and you see these orbs of light just"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "kind of like coming out of the clouds."}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "But when the lightning cracks and the"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "light"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "lights up the sky, you make out just for"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "a split second of what looks to be a"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "dark shadow of a major craft. There's"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "all this orb activity."}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "Orbs coming out of the clouds"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "everywhere. It's kind of hard to see."}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "They're really faint."}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "But then when the cameraman pulls back"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "and then there it is, you see something"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "unknown. Is that like maybe a digital"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "artifact"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "through the lens of the camera? Are we"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "or is this something actually hidden in"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "the clouds? Look at the orb activity."}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "Brent, what do you make of it? Wow, that"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "was incredible. When you see the"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "lightning strike light up the sky, you"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "could see this dark object kind of"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "hidden within the clouds. The the clouds"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "are actually surrounding this craft"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "itself. I don't think this is a digital"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "artifact. I'm thinking we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "some sort of ship in the sky. These"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "things seem to be hiding in clouds,"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "cloaked in it, using it as some sort of"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "camouflage. And when you see it light up"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "the night sky, we're going to get"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "another look at it. And then you see the"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "object. We're going to take a a nice"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "still so we get to see it."}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "All right, let's wait for it. And there"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "it is. Let's get a steel."}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "still. And uh we're making it out. It"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "does seem to be a craft or something."}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "Definitely behind the cloud layer. So,"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "man, that's some crazy video coming in."}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "And uh I don't know if that's a digital"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "glitch. It's a weird one where it's"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "shrouded behind the clouds."}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "H. And then these orbs coming out from"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "the the storm as well. Wonder what was"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "going on that night."}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "Could"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "you imagine a city"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "size uh skyscraper lurking in the clouds"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "like that? It's crazy. Now more videos"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "into third phase."}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:15", "text": ">> Yo, look at that helicopter."}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "It's over here. You don't see the"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "helicopter. It's more time. Oh, look at"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "Oh, this is in the middle."}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "What the is going on?"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "What is going on?"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "All right, let's get the exact location."}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "Bronx, New York. Um, you could hear the"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "people on the ground. And I muted some"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "of the cussing words, but they're"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "claiming that they could see helicopters"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "interacting with the unknown orb, a UFO"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "in the night sky, and they were tripping"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "the heck out. Crazy stuff coming in here"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "tonight at Thirdphase. Don't forget"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "tomorrow we'll be back. We just wanted"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "to tell you if you've captured anything"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "amazing out there, submit it to us right"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "here at Thirdphase Moon. My email is in"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "the description. Watch more videos right"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "now. Keep your eyes on the skies,"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "[music] everybody. We're not alone."}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "We'll see you next time."}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:37", "text": ">> [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "You've got Blake and Brent Cousins, and"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "we've got broad daylight crazy UFO"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "videos for you tonight. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Right,"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "let's get a closeup. We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "something bizarre. A black disc hovering"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "in the sky. We added some brightness"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "contrast. We're going to get a closer"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "look at whatever the person captured."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "They're still amazed. They can't believe"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "what they just experienced. They said"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "this thing was just hovering in the sky"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "for about 10 minutes. They managed to"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "get a couple minutes of video. We just"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "shared it and we're looking at it right"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "now. We're not seeing any means of"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "manipulation. What we're looking at is"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "legitimate. And as we get a close-up"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "look, you can make out structure. Even"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "though it's slightly silhouetted, you"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "can see a little bit of structure there"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "to the upper leftand portion."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "Crazy video. Brent, what do you make of"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "this? Yeah, this is badass video. This"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "came in just today in our Gmail from"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "Jacob and he captured something amazing"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "over there in Sacramento. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "Yeah, it just stays kind of somewhat"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "stationary. It's moving very slightly."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "It's not oscillating like a balloon."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "Look at this shot. This is a high class"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "UFO right here."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "I'm going to have to roll out any kind"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "of conventional drone. We're not seeing"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "any props on this thing."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "Remains again, like you say, it's not"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "oscillating. It's just moving ever so"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "slightly. You can see that there's some"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "wind going on, but this thing isn't"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "budging. Just on its own path, almost"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "moving against the wind. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "Again, it's silhouetted, but you could"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "make out structure to this thing. I"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "would estimate that this thing is"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "approximately 20 ft in diameter, maybe a"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "little less, but whatever it is, it has"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "no means being up there cuz there's no"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "means of propulsion that we can make out"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "Incredible video just getting started"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "right here at Thirdphase Moon. We've got"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "a lot of UFO videos for you, so buckle"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "up, hit that thumbs up. Let's roll this"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "one coming out of Russia. Crazy stuff."}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "All right, let's take a close look. I"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "slowed it down right at the peak of the"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "visual display of this UFO off at a"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "distance. You could see it."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "Rotating lights on a craft, a structure."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "You see illuminated light pulsating"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "underneath."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "I slowed this down approximately 300% so"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "we could take a good look at this."}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "All right, let's roll it one more time."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "This is it in real time."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "He did a pretty good job while he's"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "driving and holding his camera pretty"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "steady as he witnesses the phenomenon"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "off at a distance."}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "And then we get a good closeup real time"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "and then I slow-mo it. Brent, what do"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "you make of this thing? Look how large"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "it is. Yeah, he's got to contend with"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "the trees while he's driving and trying"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "to get the shot at the same time and he"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "manages to get it right there. You see"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "some sort of rotation right on the top."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "I don't think this is a helicopter."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "And you see that bright illuminated orb"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "right at the bottom as this craft just"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "kind of hovers up there. This is good"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "shot. What's going on in Russia?"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "Right. One more time. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "this again. The original video. No"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "enhancements."}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "Definitely a steady shot. He just held"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "it perfectly. But you can see there's no"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "manipulation. Whatever this craft is,"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "it's behind the trees. The lights match"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "up. It'd be very complicated to mask"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "this into the shot. What we're looking"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "at is a massive object in the sky. As"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "you see it behind the building, I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "thinking this thing's pretty stationary"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "in the sky. It's creating a little bit"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "of parallax as he's driving, but again,"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "this thing is about 50 feet in diameter."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "The slow-mo, you could really see it."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "He must have really"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "been like going, \"What the heck is"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "that?\" He grabbed his camera. He must"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "have seen it prior as he pulled it out."}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "I I wonder if he pulled up to this"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "afterwards if there's any streets where"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "he could have got a closer angle. But"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "right now, we're not seeing any means of"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "manipulation. This is 100% legitimate"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "footage coming into third phase. Coming"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "once again out of Russia. What an"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "amazing shot."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "Guys, do you have any clue what this is?"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "Look, it's not a tower. This thing is"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "[music] its own object suspended in the"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "sky. Now, more videos into third phase."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "[music] Wow."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Sure. Don't cut out."}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "So much highway."}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "I like these guys. as they're out there"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "just on their trail going about their"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "business. And then I get a closeup off"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "the video of what they're looking at. It"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "looks to be again the classic metallic"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "sphere."}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "They're running to I'm not exactly sure,"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "maybe to get another a better shot,"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "an action sequence. There's some cloud"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "formations. They're looking around"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "seeing if they can spot it. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "[music] this thing is moving erratically"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "and they're kind of losing vision of the"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "object itself, but then they spot it"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "once again."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "They're like, \"Hurry, run. Run. Get to"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "it. It's there. It's there."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "There it is. He points to the object"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "once again. I get a zoom up of what"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "they're looking at. They spot it. And"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "there it is. Brett, what do you make of"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "this? Look at this thing just hovering."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "This metallic sphere, probably a little"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "over the size of a basketball."}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "And it's kind of Yeah. moving. And it"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "must have drifted off into different"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "areas for these guys to actually kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "run and get their perspective to get"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "this this amazing shot right here again."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "What is the guy carrying on his over his"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "shoulder? Is that like some wooden"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "sword? There it is from the beginning."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "He he starts to point and he sees this"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "object off in the distance."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "Yeah, looks like he's got this like huge"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "six-foot wooden sword he's carrying"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "around, guys. Not sure if he they're on"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "a pilgrimage or on a mission. Not"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "exactly sure why he's carrying that"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "sword, but they're like scrambling to"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "look for this fear."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "looking around for it once again, but"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "then they spotted. And I like this shot"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "when they run up and then they come to"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "stable ground. They stop and then they"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "get the perfect shot."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "Kind of reminds me of the bogusphere in"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "Colombia encounter when these uh two"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "farmers were out there that noticed the"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "metallic sphere. And here we go."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "There it is just hovering"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "almost seemingly under some kind of"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "intelligent control."}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "They kind of lose sight of it as it goes"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "behind the tree."}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "So, I want to ask everybody from around"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "the world who's listening right now,"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "what do you make of these boog spheres?"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "Why are they being spotted all over the"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "world in different countries, especially"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "in the year 2026? It seems like it's"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "just off the hook with the metallic"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "sphere phenomenon just going rampant"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "throughout the world."}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "All right, let's get to the next video."}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "Coming into third phase moon of what"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "looks to be some kind of biological"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "creature or some kind of USO UFO."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "Guys, take a look at this. Let me know"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "your thoughts."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "Right, we're going to look at this once"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "again. This is something straight out of"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "the James Cameron movie, The Abyss of"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "what looks to be some kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "bioluminescent"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "creature just kind of right underneath"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "the surface. This was captured in"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "Florida."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "Crazy stuff. But yeah, Blake, that is"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "crazy. Look at this thing. It looks like"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "some sort of bioluminescent jellyfish"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "just glowing there."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "And it's giving off this kind of purple"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "bluish golden hue. It's incredible. This"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "thing's massive, too."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "Just couple feet underneath the ocean"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "water there. Kind of fading in and out,"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "too, at the same time. This is good"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "catch."}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "If this were mundane, I think we'd be"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "getting these kind of videos"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "on a constant basis, but this one,"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "it just seems so out of place. And it"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "does seem like it is some kind of"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "biological life form."}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "the luminosity, the way it pulsates"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "pulsates in and out. I don't think we're"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "not looking at any kind of manipulation"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "here. Whatever it is, it's under the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "water."}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "Fascinating video here."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "I would assume that this is about maybe"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "17 to 20 feet in length. And you see the"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "tentacles coming off this thing. And you"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "almost make out the the front portion of"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "this object almost resembles some kind"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "of squid's head. So, I don't know, man."}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "This is strange."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "Yeah, we see these bioluminescent"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "creatures deep in our oceans, like 1500"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "ft, 2,000 ft. Actually, the deeper you"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "get, the more strangeness you find in"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "our oceans. But this is right here at"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "the surface."}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "We're looking at something very strange."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "Look at this."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "Is there any marine biologists watching"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "us right now? If you could explain to us"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "what we're looking at, would sure like"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "to get to the bottom of this cuz this is"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "mindblowing what we're looking at."}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "It just makes you wonder what"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "exists below the oceans across our"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "planet. I think we only know about maybe"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "5% of biologics that live underneath our"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "ocean. We know more about what's going"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "on in the surface of the moon and Mars"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "than we do in our depths of our ocean."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "And we're looking at something very"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "strange. It's just interesting why it"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "made it to the surface there."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "All right, more videos coming into third"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "phase moon. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": ">> It's like a disc."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "Look,"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:40", "text": ">> No, no, no. Look through your eyes"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "first. Take your glasses off, bro."}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": ">> Dude,"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": ">> what is happening right now,"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:56", "text": ">> dude?"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "Oh my god,"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> bro."}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:06", "text": ">> What is happening,"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": ">> bro? That is like a disc. Holy"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "No way."}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "You think we can get it through the the"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "camera?"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": ">> We can try. It's going to be hard here."}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "Get in the shade."}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": ">> Let me see. Come over here."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:26", "text": ">> Oh my god. Wait. I need to I need to"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "prop it up on something here. I'll hold"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:28", "text": ">> I'll hold this."}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": ">> Wait. Give me a shoulder. Give me a"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "shoulder. Okay. Here we go. This is"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "crazy as dude. All right. Come on."}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "Oh, I got it. I got it."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "Oh, It won't focus. Hang on."}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "Take the autofocus off your camera."}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": ">> Do you know how to do that?"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": ">> Nope. Me neither."}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": ">> I kind of got it."}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "Oh,"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": ">> these guys are pretty classic. I like"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "their dialogue towards each other. They"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "must be good friends. the way they're"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "talking to each other. But they managed"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "to get catch catch the shot here. I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "grabbing portions of the video that"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "stood out to me when they put up the"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "binoculars to their iPhone, which is a"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "pretty interesting cool idea where you"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "actually get a pretty good look at this."}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "They're amazed. They're saying that it"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "looks like a flying disc, a saucer."}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "Yeah, there it is. He's pulling it in,"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "maxing out his phone as best as he can,"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "using the binoculars. Good job over"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "there. And yeah, you're hearing"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "their conversation. They're they're"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "confused and they're they can't believe"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "what they're seeing and they're thinking"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "this looks like a flying disc."}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "Almost like what people call or Bob"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "Lazar calls in quotes the sports model."}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "Once again, no means of manipulation."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "We're showing to you 100% [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "legitimate footage coming into"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "Thirdphase Moon from around the world."}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "And what we're looking at here had these"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "guys stunned and uh their dialogue was"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "kind of interesting. But man, when you"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "see a UFO and you just kind of scramble"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "for the shot, I could understand the"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "anxiety that kicks in. You're kind of"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "excited about what you're looking at,"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "[music] but you also want to get the"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "shot at the same time."}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "This thing's off at a distance, too."}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "Like I said, broad daylight videos,"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "we've got them for you in this episode"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "right here at Third Phase. And uh once"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "again, good job, guys, pulling the"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "binocular out and getting the the money"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "shot here."}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "Right, let's get some more videos coming"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "into Thirdphase Moon. A UFO and an"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "encounter with a helicopter real quick."}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "Heat. Heat. N."}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "All right, the bird just flew by there."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "Are the helicopters flying by this"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "thing? What is going on? An acornshaped"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "UFO."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "Wow. Look at this thing"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "just kind of remains static right there."}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "It just holds its position."}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "As you see the helicopter pass by. I"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "wonder if the pilot saw this thing. He"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "must have."}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "Then he the cameraman gets a pretty good"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "closeup of this thing and you notice it"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "starts to drift,"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "but it's not going up and down. It just"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "is"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "It's kind of just going on a horizontal"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "plane here."}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "You can see kind of some structure to"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "this as well."}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "There. There it goes. It just stopped"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "again."}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "Dead dead. Just steady in the air and it"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "moves once again. Look at this. I don't"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "see no props, no thrust. What's keeping"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "this thing in the sky? This isn't a"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "balloon, people."}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "No, balloons don't act like this, Brian."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "The flight characteristics just it seems"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "that it has its own"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "inner core of propulsion, but we're not"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "seeing it. It's just very strange. And I"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "like the shot as it"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "is a helicopter went right by it. But"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "look at this. We're getting some good"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "close-ups"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "again, remaining stationary, static in"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "the sky. It seems that it's under its"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "own intelligent"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "destination as it just starts to move"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "once again. It's almost as if it's kind"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "of surveying the area."}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "It's hard to make out what kind of shape"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "it is. It's almost"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "it's almost like an upside down"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "acornshaped UFO. But man, this is"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "strange. It's definitely silhouetted."}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "It's hard to make out structure, but"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "it's just interesting the way it just"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "kind of comes to stops and this subtle"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "gradual"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "descent to the left."}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "Comes to a stop once again."}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "Birds are flying around. But look at"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "this thing. It's pretty much the size of"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "a helicopter in my opinion. Maybe a"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "little smaller, but man, close"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "proximity. I'm sure that pilot got a"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "really good look at this thing. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "that's why it's taking off."}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "probably at maybe a quarter mile"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "distance or whatever this thing is. It's"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "a size of a mini SUV."}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "Broad daylight sighting coming into"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "third phase. We're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "that can't be explained and it is"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "baffling to look at the evidence coming"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "in from around the world."}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "Guys, can you give us your opinion"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "what's going on? Look at the electric"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "power line there to the left. Maybe it's"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "We see these UFOs next to these power"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "lines. Maybe there's something to it."}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "Way out off in the distance. But what an"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "incredible capture. About a minute's"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "worth of evidence right there. This"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "isn't one like 5-second clip. We're"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "getting some good metadata data. Look at"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "this thing. The way it just stops and"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "then moves on its own accord."}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "Crazy videos coming into third phase of"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "moon. And if you've captured anything"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "crazy or an incredible that you can't"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "explain, upload it to any social media,"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "YouTube, Tik Tok, Instagram, X,"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "Facebook, it doesn't matter. Copy paste"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "that link to my email. My email is in"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "the description."}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "We're looking forward to seeing your"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "[music] videos coming in from around the"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "world"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "along with my brother Brent. This is"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "Blake Cousins. Keep your eyes on the"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "skies, everyone. We're not alone. We'll"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "see you next time. and watch more videos"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:50", "text": ">> [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "We've got the Cousins Brothers and we've"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "got incredible videos coming in from"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "around the world. Right now, we're"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "looking at it captured moments ago."}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "China. Something unusual in the night"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "skies."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "Right,"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "let's get a close-up look. Multiple"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "eyewitnesses captured the same event of"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "some mysterious glowing lights in a"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "triangular formation hovering in the"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "night sky."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "It almost looks plasmic,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "organic, the biologics,"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "but I'm leaning towards man-made. Brent,"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "what kind of new aircraft is this?"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Wow. What is this? We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "something strange to say the least. It"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "looks like some sort of like plasmic"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "kite, but that's not what it is. Look at"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "the energy. This thing's supercharged up"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "and it's hitting all sorts of"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "interesting spectrum of colors. We're"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "going to add a little brightness"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "contrast to make this thing pop. But"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "what's happening over China? There seems"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "to be a lot of activity going on over"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "Yeah, now that I'm looking at it a"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "little closer, Brett, I don't know. It's"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "very strange. It almost seems rigid, but"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "then it seems liquid at the same time."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "Almost resembling some kind of water"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "creature. You would see it at great"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "depths in our oceans."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "The plasmic wave, the way it just kind"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "of glides through the sky. It's quite"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "amazing what we're looking at here. And"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "it's off at a distance. This isn't"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "small. This is, I would say, at least"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "25, 50 feet in length. It's somewhere in"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "between there."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "Incredible stuff coming into third phase"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "moon. And like I said, this phenomenon"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "happens around the world. And this again"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "coming out of the same country, China, I"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "think. I'm not sure, but it looks"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "exactly the same. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "Hey, we coming."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "Good morning."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Definitely the similar similarities are"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "pretty much spot on to the latest video"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "that we just showed you coming out of"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "China just moments ago. But look at this"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "plasmic array of the unknown."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "slightly different characteristics in"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "its shape, but the same kind of liquid"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "plasmic display is definitely very"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "familiar to the last video here, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "Yeah, it's kind of displaying the like"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "you said, this kind of charge of plasma,"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "but this could be a possible rocket"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "launch out of China. I'm not sure, but"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "it did catch people's interest on the"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "ground and everybody's looking up and"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "getting a good shot of this thing."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "Look at this thing. And it just"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "evaporates and disappears."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "That was pretty incredible right there."}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "All right, let's get to some more videos"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "right now at third phase of moon. Hit"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "that thumbs up."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "A light tower peers from the ground up"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "into the sky. Kind of stops midway,"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "pulsating in light right behind the tree"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "line. It's almost like"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> illuminating the clouds behind it."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "This thing's bright. This tower of"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "light. I've never seen anything quite"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "like this. Is this some kind of natural"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "phenomenon?"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "Unbelievable video here, Brent."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "Yeah, look at the illuminosity on this"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "thing. This pillar of light just kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "hovering"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "straight vertical, probably about 200"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "feet in the air, maybe higher. And you"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "can see it's putting off this kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "purple huish light as well. And the look"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "how it does pulsate, too. And this"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "thing's way off in the distance."}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "Is it coming from the ground or is there"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "something up in the air shooting down?"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "That's another possibility."}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "That's right, Bren. I'm looking at this"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "close and it's just weird. The the"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "obviously the light penetrates beyond"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "the tree line there, but it basically"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "stops"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "midpoint in the sky. Is it being blocked"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "by a dark cloud or a craft hovering up"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "there? And again, it's kind of like a"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "beam. It's not a total laser straight"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "down. It's a little thicker on the top"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "and it it gets a little skinnier as it"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "goes up again. Maybe 500 to 1,000 ft in"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "elevation. Brent, this thing's"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "interesting. Could this be a natural"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "phenomenon?"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "Wonder if meteor meteorologists have a"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "name for this? I I'm calling it the"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "spiral"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "UFO phenomenon. I don't know, guys. Do"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "Do you have a name for this?"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "the pulsating light and the the"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "brightness within. It's like this"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "straight line right there in the middle"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "of the hazy light. Very strong beam."}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "All right, we've got more videos coming"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "into third phase. You guys ready for it?"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "Let's do it."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "This is one of those classic UFO"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "sightings you'd see in the movies, but"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "when we look at it, we're not seeing any"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "manipulation. This has been out for a"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "while, this video. We wanted to pull it"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "up from the archives. I think it's been"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "out for about maybe seven years when we"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "traced this one down when it was shared"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "with us to Third Phase. And uh we wanted"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "to bring it up again. And we recall this"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "incredible"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "UFO sighting. Is it some kind of movie"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "set that we're looking at or are we"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "looking at something crazy in the sky?"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "Yeah. When you get a good shot of the"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "underbelly, it looks like metal. And"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "this is uh quite there high up in the"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "sky, too. Look at it uh just kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "emit this light. It's going in and out."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "And then you see that circular prism of"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "lights right there at the center of this"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "craft kind of rotating your typical"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "flying saucer. But is this alien or more"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "man-made? I'm leaning more something"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "man-made because of all the technical"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "lights that we're seeing. Yeah, good"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "call there, Brent. But whatever it is,"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "it's up in there up there in the sky"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "with no"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "no means of any kind of mechanics that"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "could keep it up there, which is"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "interesting. And when I look at it, when"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "the lights come on, it almost resembles"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "the flying saucer Gulf Breeze, the Ed"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "Walters UFO. Remember it just hovering"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "off the road. And then it also kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "reminds me of the UFO in that classic TV"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "show, Greatest American Hero. If you"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "could recall that UFO that very similar"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "indeed, but I don't know, the source of"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "whatever's up in the sky, we can't tell"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "you where it's coming from. Something"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "unusual. And I don't think anybody's"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "ever really took any claim for this"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "video. So if this is a massive hoax,"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "man, whoever is doing it doing a really"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "an incredible job or we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "something"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "extraordinary here,"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "right? You guys want to see more UFOs"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "right here at Third Phase Moon, right?"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "All right. I see you guys in the chat."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "That's right. We've got a lot of them"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "for you in this episode. So, don't go"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "anywhere. Let's just start rolling"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "the evidence as it comes into third"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "phase moon. It's our pleasure bringing"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "them to you and I'm glad you're joining"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "us from around the world. We're"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "broadcasting from the Hollywood Hills."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "Where are you listening in from or"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "watching? Let's go take a look. The"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "Acorn broad daylight UFO video. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "back and it's strong this month. Over"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "and over and over. We're seeing this"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "craft appear over Colombia. What the"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "heck is going on over there?"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "People will say this is possibly AI."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "Well, we could pretty much 100% prove"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "that it isn't. There's a real person who"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "shot it. The source is verified. [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "And just the video in itself, you can"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "tell we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "authentic here."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "You pretty much can see AI videos coming"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "from a mile away nowadays. It's pretty"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "easy. I think we're pretty adept to"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "knowing what's AI and what's not. And uh"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "we're looking at something that's 100%"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "legitimate video broad daylight acorn"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "shaped UFO. Brett, your thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "Yeah, the guy's not holding it perfectly"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "steady, but at some points he manages to"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "get in a good shot. And there it is"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "right there. It's really clean. [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "And it again, we're looking at the Acorn"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "UFO video. That's"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "this object that's been seen all over"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "South America and it's been filmed by"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "hundreds of people. And now here's"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "another example of the acorn UFO. Is"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "this metallic? I don't see no thrust or"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "props on this thing. What's keeping this"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "thing up in the sky is a big question."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "Yeah, he's a little h he's a little"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "shaky, but hey, man, we're getting a"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "really good look at it. And I like the"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "way he pans around for perspective. He's"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "shooting from the ground. He looks up."}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "You see the trees, the winds blowing."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "This thing remains totally static in the"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "sky."}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "And again, it's massive. I would say the"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "size of a school bus at least off in a"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "distance."}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "I just like the way it hangs up there."}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "Another video. We're looking at it of a"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "creepy looking UFO. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "It just doesn't stop here at third phase"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "of moon. It's 24/7 with the UFO"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "activity."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "The unexplained, the phenomenon, the"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "unusual. That's what we're all here"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "about."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "We're here for the evidence and we've"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "got the video evidence."}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "Brent, what are we looking at here? Is"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "it some kind of biological UFO? This has"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "these"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "kind of tentacles on the bottom there."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "Yeah, this thing's weird. It does look"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "biological and like you say, it has"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "these legs or tentacles hanging from it."}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "Kind of like a claw and it's up there"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "pretty high up. And then he zooms back,"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "kind of shows the neighborhood. He sees"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "some people off in the distance. I"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "wonder if they saw this, too."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "There it is straight up. He's And it's"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "just hanging there, static in the sky."}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "It's not like a balloon oscillating or"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "moving around, bobbing. This thing's"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "just remaining steady."}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "Wow. This is creepy."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "Yeah, it's it's not even rotating,"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "Bryant. It's just totally stationary. It"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "doesn't make sense. That's why we're"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "sharing it with you. Now, we got a lot"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "more videos coming into third phase of"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "moon. You guys ready for it? Let's roll."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "The metallic sphere is back and this is"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "brand new video just into third phase of"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "moon. Breaking news."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "Right, let's roll this once again. Take"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "a close look again. What is going on"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "with the metallic spheres being spotted"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "all over the world? Look the speed and"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "the dynamics."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "Totally on a mission. Totally under"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "control."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "Look at this thing. Perfect. Perfectly"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "spherical."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "Takes a stop right there."}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "Want to check some things out. This"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "thing is amazing. Brent, look at the"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "flight dynamics on this thing. this"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "spherical like ball bearing floating in"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "the sky amongst the buildings there and"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "it does these incredible moves. It"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "stops. It banks. It It goes up, it goes"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "down at kind of these amazing kind of"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "like dynamic angles. Let's Let's watch"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "this once again. Look at that motion"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "right in the beginning. That was fast."}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "This thing's cooking."}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "The government shows you these videos,"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "but they're never this clear. They show"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "you orbs, but nothing like this. Broad"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "daylight sighting. It doesn't get much"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "better than that. And then the flight"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "characteristics of this is very"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "unconventional. The way it slows down"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "and speeds up unconventionally. It's"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "crazy."}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "All right. You guys been uh fil feel"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "feeling the summer heat lately? It's"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "getting up to like 108 degrees out here"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "on the skirts of the Hollywood Hills"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "this past week and it's coming. The sun"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "is hot and uh let's look at some"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "phenomenon that we've seen right here at"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "third phase moon of crazy planetized"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "craft"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "harnessing the energy off the sun. Look"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "at this corona injection. But it looks"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "like it's feeding something at the top"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "actual footage coming in from Soho."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "NASA, do you have an explanation for"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "that? Look at the way it just uncoiled"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "and ripped ripped off. That's crazy."}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "That bull whip that bull whip effect."}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "And look at the detail when we added"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "some brightness contrast."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "Incredible stuff there, Brent."}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "Wow. What a celestial event we're"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "looking at. You notice it looks like a"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "possible black hole. that's there, this"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "circle, and then it ejects this or has"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "this kind of like tornatic"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "tail connected to the sun itself, and it"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "seems to be vortexing"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "energy, harnessing it. And you can see"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "it right there. And then it just whips"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "right back into the void, the black hole"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "you could call it. And this is"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "incredible footage. Look at the power,"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "the immense power going on here. And"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "look at how that that black mash just"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "kind of fades away. in entirety."}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "Yeah, incredible footage. And uh really"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "we didn't get any explanations from NASA"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "themselves. But whatever this event was"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "with the vortices below this kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "craft, you see a rigid shape right there"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "in the shadow, the black void, and these"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "vortices just spring off the sun. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "they got fueled up and they're like,"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "\"Okay, wrap it up. Let's go.\" And this"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "is what happened next. And again, notice"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "the black void there."}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "It's just unbelievable to watch. Mother"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "Nature, are we looking at something"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "natural or are we looking at something"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "with some extraterrestrial involvement?"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "Like you said, Brett, look at that void."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "It almost does look like a little black"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "hole, but it's not too little. We're"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "looking at something that's"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "hundreds of thousands of miles long."}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "This vortices,"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "maybe three times the size of Earth."}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "All right, let's get some more UFO"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "videos. More sun phenomenon. Take a look"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "at this."}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "Once again, we're going to look at"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "something that's quite unusual. As we"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "brought up, the black void. What we just"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "noticed is kind of circular in its"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "pattern. And look at this anomaly once"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "again captured by SOHO imagery of what"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "looks to be a possible black hole just"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "at the tip left edge of the sun"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "enveloped around the corona mass"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "ejections coming out of this star. And"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "look at this circular void."}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "As we get a good closeup look, we're"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "going to add some highlights. We're not"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "adjusting much except brightness and"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "contrast. And look at this thing pop."}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "There is no explanation to what this"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "could be."}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "Brett, what's your thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "Extraordinary. What we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "here, this might not be some void."}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "Actually, this thing looks like it's"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "engulfed within the corona itself. This"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "could be a giant object, some spherical"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "spaceship, you could say, that's"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "basically harnessing, possibly"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "harnessing the energy from the sun. is"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "basically [music] right at the tip"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "of our star. And you know, this is like"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "36 million degrees, something like that."}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "And if anything could get that close to"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "the sun and not be destroyed, we're"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "looking at some high-end capabilities of"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "who's ever flying this thing. If this if"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "this is indeed a craft or like I said, I"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "don't know what it is. It's it's a mass."}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "It could be like it looks like a black"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "hole. What is it, guys? This is a big"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "question right here."}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "Yeah, we don't have all the answers. We"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "just have the evidence. And it's the"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "best on the planet. And speaking of"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "planets, this thing is probably at least"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "three to four tons bigger than Earth."}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "And look at the sharp edges around it as"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "we highlight it. Once again, we added"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "some brightness, contrast, and put some"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "tints on it. And you can see the edges"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "around the this sharp. This isn't a"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "smudge on the lens. You see it enveloped"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "around the plasmic activity coming off"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "the sun."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "Man, I'm sure glad we got these photos"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "up before they could scrub them."}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "And again, no explanation."}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "One of the most incredible"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "sightings, evidence, I think, pretty"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "much ever recorded with regards to"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "possible black hole within our solar"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "system or a planet-sized craft"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "harnessing the energy off the sun."}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "All right. Incredible stuff. Now, let's"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "get to the next sun anomaly. Again,"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "these things are mind-blowing. It"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "expands your mind just thinking of the"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "thought process of what's really going"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "on in our solar system and the star"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "known as the sun. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "All right, we've got video"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "of another coronial mass ejection, but"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "it look at this thing. Strange. The"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "strangeness starts to develop here. Not"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "sure. We might be looking at a little"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "bit of paridolia, but you could almost"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "make out a figure out of these corona"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "ejections coming out of the sun itself."}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "Look at this freaky stuff."}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "Yeah, it was a nice capture. He could"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "see it erupt and then the I think this"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "came in from into thin air and he caught"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "this and then he notices this kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "like it looks like some sort of like"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "alien being just rising out of the sun."}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "But obviously, yeah, we're probably"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "looking at more paridolia, but this is"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "indeed another interesting catch and a"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "phenomenon that happens around our star."}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "This is cool. Look at this. Got the"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "steel side by side and a little"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "brightness contrast. Yeah, it definitely"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "is strange."}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "You could almost make out the eyes and"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "the large head. It definitely if you"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "want to look at it as like an alien"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "coming out of the sun, you could see"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "that. But again, I'm leaning towards"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "this as a natural a natural effect"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "coming from the sun and some kind of"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "paridolia."}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "Your mind kind of sees images. When you"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "look at the clouds, you could understand"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "that and maybe that's what we're looking"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "at. But we wanted to share this with"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "you. Speaking of the sun, now more"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "videos into third phase moon. This one's"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "a good one. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "A series of light in a circular pattern"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "hovers in the sky and then moves from"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "left to right. It's a quick shot. It"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "doesn't last very long, but whatever it"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "was, it was it was unknown and it's up"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "there in the sky. Look at this. We'll"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "just take a close look as we slow it"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "down."}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "I think we had to mute the audio. The"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "guy was cussing. There was some"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "background music, so we just we cut the"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "feed. They said there was no music. It's"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "a little weird when he moves like that."}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "The parallax seems kind of unusual"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "there, right? Yeah, I think the craft is"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "stationary and he might be in his car"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "and then it created that illusion of"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "parallax like this thing's moving. But"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "we are looking at something definitely"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "strange. First it kind of pulsates with"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "it. Look at that. It's like charging up"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "and then it it goes back into its"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "original shape and you can see these"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "orbs in a kind of concentrated circle"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "Is this a a is this a craft hovering?"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "Yeah. Let's look at this once again."}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "Notice the the street light there as the"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "craft passes by. It almost seems like"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "there's some frequency."}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "Am I scene?"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "Right there."}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "Like it messed with the electrical light"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "there. Just watch it once again."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "Is this UFO creating some kind of static"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "electricity in there?"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "You got some kind of blinking going off"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "with the light, but interesting"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "sighting. Now, let's get to the next"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "one. Coming into third phase of moon."}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "Let's roll it."}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "Mass eyewitness sighting. Multiple"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "people on the ground witness something"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "that they can't explain. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "just takes off at a rapid rate of speed."}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "Look at this thing,"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "oscillates, rotates."}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "It's like a tic tac but a red one moving"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "at high rates of speed. Multiple"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "eyewitnesses on the ground in uh"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "this is a good one, Brent. It's"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "definitely what we're looking at. It's"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "up there in the sky. There's no"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "trickery. There's no AI here. We could"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "confirm. Once again, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "something legitimate,"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "undeniable, undebunkable. The question"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "is, what is it? You don't hear any noise"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "coming off this thing. It's completely"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "silent. You would hear something."}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "They're in really close proximity. If"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "that were a drone, it'd be clearly"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "heard, but there is no sound. And that"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "rotation is I've never seen anything"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "quite like that before. Good stuff,"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "right? Yeah. The way it rotated and"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "found like it was searching for a course"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "to travel and then it basically belined"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "it into this this he just it just"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "stopped and then it says, \"Okay, time to"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "take off.\" It's it seems to be moving"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "like the way the tic tac would."}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "It's trying to find its direction, but"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "multiple eyewitnesses catch this and"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "they are stunned when they see this,"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "like you say, this red tic tac just"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "floating in the sky. And look at when it"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "does this rotation and and finds its"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "target."}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "Yeah. Kind of locks in its coordinates."}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "Boom. And then heads in that direction"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "at a great rate of speed. [music] Now,"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "let's get to the next video with regards"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "to what looks to be a massive portal"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "[music] opening up on the coast"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "of the Atlantic."}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "They can't explain what's going on. Take"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "a look at this."}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "Look at that"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "Right, let's get a close-up look. We're"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "going to replay the video. What was"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "captured in the Atlantic Ocean? Is this"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "some kind of massive portal opening up"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "some kind of"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "entry into another place, another time"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "and space? Or is this some kind of UFO?"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "Yeah, Blake, look at this thing. Could"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "this be some sort of interdimensional"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "portal? [music] We don't know. But we're"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "looking at something amazing. Look at"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "the pulsating light coming off this"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "center stage of light. Then it kind of"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "disappears and reappears too as it just"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "hovers over there right at [music] the"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "crest of the oceanside there."}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "Is this some kind of weather phenomenon"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "or an optic"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "illusion? Optical illusion? I'm not"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "sure, guys. I want to get your thoughts"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "right here at Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "It just doesn't it doesn't make sense. I"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "can't make out exactly what could cause"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "insane footage captured"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "over the Atlantic Ocean, guys. What is"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "Good stuff here tonight right here at"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "Third Phase of Moon. And I just wanted"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "to say if you've captured anything"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "amazing with regards to the phenomenon,"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "hit us up. My email is in the"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "description. Upload your video to any"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "social [music] media, YouTube, X,"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "Facebook, Tik Tok, Instagram. Copy paste"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "that link to my email. We'll take a look"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "at it. Everybody be safe out there along"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "with my brother Brent. This is Blake"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "Cousins. Keep your eyes on the skies,"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "everybody. We're not alone. We'll see"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "you next time. and watch more videos"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:02", "text": ">> [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "your hands. Put your hands up."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": ">> Put your hands up. I'm not going to tell"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "you again. Turn around."}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:18", "text": ">> Welcome back to Third Phase Moon. We've"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "got crazy videos. Also, people held at"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "gunpoint at Area 51. Buckle up. This"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "episode gets a little wild, including a"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "Navy whistleblower. But first, let's get"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "to the UFO sightings coming in from"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "around the world. Take a look at this"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "broad daylight sighting of a disc"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "hovering in the sky during a lightning"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "storm. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "All right, we're going to look at this"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "one more time. Get a closeup of whatever"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "this object is in the sky. It has no"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "business defying the laws of physics."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "Basically, it's a lightning storm. This"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "thing's up there hanging out, maybe"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "absorbing, maybe observing the lightning"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "storm, but whatever this thing is, it's"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "a perfect seamless disc just hovering in"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "the sky. The person went out there to"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "shoot the lightning storm and then"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "noticed that this object just hanging"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "there. He said the"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "this sighting lasted for over 2 minutes"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "and we're looking at the footage as it"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "rolls. Brent, what's your thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "Yeah, this gentleman, like you said,"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "went out to film some lightning. He he"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "noticed a storm coming in and then he"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "got the best show of his life. Look at"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "this. We're getting a clear closeup of"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "an unidentified flying object. And what"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "I like about the beginning, you see it"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "as he says, he says this swing was kind"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "of moving erratically and then it just"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "came to a kind of a standstill and just"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "stood there and he filmed it for quite"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "some time and then now you see it"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "farther off moving away from them as it"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "kind of drifts away. Look at this. This"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "is incredible."}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "Yeah, incredible video coming in. This"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "is the beginning of it. The lightning"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "storm. You see it? This this"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "intelligence behind its movement in it"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "in the sky. It's not a balloon. It's"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "just kind of hovering over there. But in"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "my opinion,"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "did you see that? There's the gleam of"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "light. There's everything that matches"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "up to prove that this isn't AI in our"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "opinion. Uh we're pretty pretty"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "confident what we're looking at here is"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "legitimate footage. And look at the wind"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "blowing and everything. But this this"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "object just wants to remain"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "static in the sky. It was moving ever so"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "slightly in the beginning."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "It doesn't seem like they're hiding"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "anymore. They're getting bolder and"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "bolder every day."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "You see the flashes of light in the"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "background. This thunderstorm could have"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "been one of the reasons why this thing"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "was around. I'm not sure."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "Again,"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "it's just very stunning to look at and"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "it makes you wonder if there's any"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "occupants"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "inside this craft. What's the technology"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "behind it? It's pretty otherworldly. But"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "this is an amazing shot. Multiple angles"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "next to these power lines, the flashes"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "of lightning. This is uh insane stuff,"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "right? Yeah. Look at this thing. It kind"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "of it they seems familiar like they're"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "coming out of the same kind of like"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "delivery system. Who's building these"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "things? It seems like the same"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "corporation. It's very very cool. I like"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "to know. I'd like to see their plant."}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "Who's manufacturing these? Ours. Is it"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "are these one of ours or something"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "otherworldly?"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "All right. More videos into third phase."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "This the typical classic boogers."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "Doesn't last long, but it you get a good"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "shot of it right here."}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "the metallic sphere, bogusphere,"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "whatever you want to call it, it's the"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "unknown. And we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "that's unexplainable at this moment."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "Right, let's pull up a close-up shot of"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "this sighting. And you could almost see"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "some kind of lights, a plasmic screen"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "rotating on this perfect sphere, a"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "metallic sphere. Look at this thing. Do"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "you notice? You see those little lights?"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "Very unusual."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "Yeah. I'm going to roll out a balloon in"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "this case. Again, the spheres are just"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "all over the world at the moment. And"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "we're looking at something that is a"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "phenomenon. [music] The global"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "phenomenon,"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "what do you make of this? Yeah, it seems"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "like it has a some sort of interior like"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "you almost see windows on this craft"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "when you get a good closeup right in the"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "the center of the craft itself, the"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "equator of this sphere and you see these"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "kind of like you say this maybe like LED"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "kind of screen like uh imagery that's"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "going on within the craft itself. And"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "here it is. I I imagine this thing being"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "I don't know how big about three three"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "feet in diameter, maybe bigger."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "Yeah, I would say it's pretty much the"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "same size as the Boogasphere."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "Probably about maybe two feet in"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "diameter, but whatever it is, again, you"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "notice this kind of like digital plasmic"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "or digital projection on the surface of"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "this craft"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "ever so slightly there. You see that?"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "Again, kind of silhouated by the"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "backlight,"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "the white clouds, and this thing comes"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "into the perfect clarity. The"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "circumference of this thing, it has a"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "really sharp edge. I'm leaning that this"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "is metallic in nature."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Yeah, pretty dang smooth video. The guy"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "actually kept his hand steady. You can"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "see kind of the parallax as he's walking"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "towards it. We're getting a close-up"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "look. And once again, you notice these"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "anomalies on the surface of this"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "metallic sphere."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "Right, we've got a lot of videos in this"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "episode, including held at Gump Point at"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "Area 51. We've got the eyewitness"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "testimony coming up, but let's get to"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "the next UFO video coming into Third"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "Phase Moon, coming in from around the"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "world. Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "Heat. Hey, Heat."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "All right, let's take a look at this"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "once again. I added some brightness and"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "blew it up about 300% to the right."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "Brightness, contrast, the original video"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "to the left. This guy's driving along"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "the freeway. Notice uh this formation of"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "lights in a circular pattern just"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "hanging up there kind of embedded in the"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "clouds. What an amazing capture here. I"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "haven't quite seen this kind of"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "encounter or UFO with these kind of"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "light patterns. We don't see a craft."}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "It's just kind of illuminated. It's"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "illuminated circular sphere there."}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "Wow. Look at that closeup right there."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "We're getting a good one. It almost"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "looks like the eclipse, but it's not."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "They almost look like these Bailey"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "beads, these solar flares coming off the"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "event of an eclipse, but this is"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "something entirely different. And it's"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "100% real. That's the best part. Look,"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "he's getting a good closeup right here."}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "Some sort of charged ring of it sort"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "with all these kind of orbs around it."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "Absolutely fascinating. Now, let's get"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "to this. An eyewitness reached out to us"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "at Thirdphase Moon. He stated that he"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "had a close encounter aboard the USS"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "Deuke, a naval ship, and he wanted to"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "share his experience. And we immediately"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "wanted to meet up with him. And here's"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "our interview. I want you to listen"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "carefully to what he says."}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> We're going to be speaking with a Navy"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "veteran that served on the USS Deuke in"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "regards to an incredible sighting he"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "witnessed [music] in the Pacific. Hey"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "James, thanks for joining us right here"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "at Thirdphase Moon. I would like to get"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "into detail of what happened aboard the"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "Navy vessel right here off the Pacific."}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": ">> So it was early autumn uh of ' 86 and my"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "ship was the USS Debuke. It was"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "homeported in Sassibo, Japan, and we"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "were out of Sassibo bound towards the"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "South China Sea."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> Could you go more in depth on the"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "description of what you experienced that"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "night?"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": ">> Well, what we used to do is after"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "watches, Eve watches, uh, that ended"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "about 10, 11 at night. We'd go above"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "decks outside the ship, which we weren't"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "even really supposed to. Uh, and we do"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "exercise. We do a workout. Um, and often"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "we'd stargaze because a ship at sea, a"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "Navy ship at sea at the time, runs"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "completely darkened and you can have a"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "great view of the sky. And what happened"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "one night is uh I looked up and I saw"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "what appeared to be a star at first, a"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "bright star, but then it started moving"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "in these incredible"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "flying across the horizon from one end"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "to the other and doing these figure"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "eight patterns and uh circles. and it"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "was just never seen anything like it."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": ">> Okay. So, while you witnessed this, what"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "was uh what was your reaction to what"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "you witnessed? What was your prior"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "thought of UFOs? And what did you do"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "immediately after the sighting?"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": ">> I had absolutely no belief in them"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "whatsoever. Um"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "I was baffled by what I was looking at."}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "At first, I thought perhaps it was a"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "firefly above my head. But then I"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "realized we were 2 3 4 days at sea in"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "the middle of the ocean. And what I was"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "looking at was very high up in altitude."}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "And when I saw the motions it was"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "making, I realized it had to be"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "traveling at tens of thousands of miles"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "an hour. It was faster than anything I'd"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "ever seen, faster than even a a"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "meteorite."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "tell us about these uh angles that it"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "these this uh unidentified object was uh"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "manu how it maneuvered."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": ">> They it was first it kind of rocketed"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "back and forth and then it started doing"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "almost like a an infinity pattern if you"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "will. Uh then there was some circles"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "involved and it just it moved crazily"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "across the sky."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": ">> What was the response from your fellow"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "shipmates to this [music] experience you"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "just had and did they witness it"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "themselves? Uh what I did is I I went up"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "to what was known as the ' 04 level and"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "that's where the lookouts were on the"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "signal bridge and I asked a guy on watch"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "if he could see what I was seeing. I"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "thought maybe I was seeing things and he"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "saw it too. But to my surprise, he"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "wasn't really interested in it so much."}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "He said, \"Oh, maybe it's a shooting star"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "or something.\" And that didn't make any"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "sense to me cuz it was just going back"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "and forth. Um but he was totally"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "disinterested in it. I was very [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "surprised."}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "Well, later in the week, um, I came"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "across a message while working in the"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "document destruction room of all places."}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "Um, and I saw that there was a report"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "that had been forwarded from the"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "Japanese Self-Defense Force, Air"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "Self-Defense Force, and they had been"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "chasing a UFO"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "um, uh, off the coast of Japan. And they"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "had some radar locks on it, and the"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "report had specific information that"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "they had targeted it with their radar."}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "They hadn't apparently gotten very close"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "to it, but they had radar confirmation"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "of what they were chasing."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": ">> As far as the UFO phenomenon, what is"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "your opinion on what the military knows?"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": ">> My, in my opinion, the military knows uh"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "quite a bit about what's going on. I"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "don't think my sighting was the only"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "one. Um,"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "I think our involvement or the"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "military's involvement is it goes beyond"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "what most people can even imagine. When"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "you're speaking to firsthand eyewitness"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "to the phenomenon, it really doesn't get"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "much better than that. Third Phase of"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "Moon brings you the eyewitnesses"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "firsthand, not second, third, or"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "fourthhand information like you see in"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "the US Congress and the UFO hearings."}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "They refuse to talk to civilians,"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "but they're willing to talk to military."}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "But why aren't they bringing in the"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "firsthand eyewitnesses? This gentleman"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "came forward brave to actually put his"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "face on camera and explain his"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "He noticed well he witnessed something"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "that he can't explain and neither could"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "anybody aboard the USS Deuke. But"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "whatever it was, it was something"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "otherworldly in our opinion. Why doesn't"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "the US Congress bring in the firsthand"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "eyewitnesses is beyond me. But what do"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "you make of this this uh eyewitness? I"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "don't think he's bullshitting us. I He's"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "He's telling us the truth. I don't even"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "need to give this guy a lie detector"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "test. We know he's telling the truth."}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "And other people saw and witnessed this,"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "too. And it seems like he tried to make"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "people aware and even uh take it up to a"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "higher command, but as usual, when it"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "comes down to this secrecy, it's pretty"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "much mums a word. And yeah, he he"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "reached out to us when we're on the big"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "island. And he lived on the big island,"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "too. And he says, \"Hey, let's meet up.\""}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "up. He's, you know, getting up there in"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "age and he says, \"Hey, let's let's just"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "tell the truth. Let's get it out there.\""}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "That's right, Brent. The truth and the"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "information with regards to phenomenon."}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "You don't really have to go anywhere"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "else. It's right here at Third Phase of"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "Moon. Now, let's get to this historic"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "interview that we did with regards to"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "a pretty intense encounter at Area 51."}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "These guys were kind of looking for"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "tunnels out there and then next thing"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "you know the camo dudes showed up at gun"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "and put them up at gunpoint and ask them"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "what the heck was going on. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "Camo dudes."}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "Camo dudes. Dude,"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "those are for sure camo dudes. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "full on camo, dudes."}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "That was crazy."}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "That was insane. They were eyeballing"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "us, man."}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "Guess what, camo dudes? We're back."}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "That is Sniper Hill up there."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "That is Sniper Hill."}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "I can't believe we had actual camera"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "dudes looking right at us."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "I'm turning mine off."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "That was crazy."}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "What if that's because of our video?"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "Wait. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, guys. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "your camera's off. It"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:15", "text": ">> is."}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:16", "text": ">> Yeah, it's mine."}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": ">> This mine?"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": ">> Oh, okay. Here we go. Okay. All right,"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "guys. You ready? You ready? When we were"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "here last time, that was about four"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "months ago, we put a video up."}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:33", "text": ">> Yours are still off. Whoa."}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:36", "text": ">> Whoa. Uh-oh. We got things happening."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": ">> I know I am."}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:39", "text": ">> Step over here."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": ">> See your hands."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "Hands. Let me see your hands. Put your"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "hands up."}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:50", "text": ">> Put your hands up. I'm not going to tell"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "you again. Turn around."}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "You got him. I'll cut him down. You got"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:57", "text": ">> You got anything on you?"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": ">> Nope."}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": ">> No, sir."}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> Huh?"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> Spread your feet. Spread your feet."}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": ">> You going all the way out here."}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": ">> We're just adventure travelers. We're"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "just We're just adventure travelers."}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:12", "text": ">> Just adventure travelers."}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:15", "text": ">> For us to uh"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:16", "text": ">> Turn around. Turn around. We're down a"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "little alien. They said come up to"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "Steuart well."}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": ">> That's where everybody else go."}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:25", "text": ">> Yeah, that's what everybody goes."}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": ">> Go pass the line."}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "We turn around to head back to for"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "dinner."}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": ">> We want to get a rule out and talk about"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "centimeters."}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": ">> I knew you should. I knew. I know."}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": ">> Listen, we're going to give you guys a"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "chance, okay? Get on your bikes. Get the"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "out of here. We'll call Lincoln County"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "and we'll write you each a $750 ticket."}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "Okay,"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": ">> we're out of here."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> All right, go ahead."}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": ">> Sorry for the hassle, guys. We're just"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "We're just travelers. My bad."}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "All right, let's do it."}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "Oh my god."}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "Yeah. Be quiet for a second, though."}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "Okay, now that you've seen the video,"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "we're back right here at Third Phase"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "Moon and we got Joe and Garrett. So,"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "what were you thinking when he had these"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "guns drawn straight to your uh you're"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "basically threatening your life? Wow,"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "you guys are nuts."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "Yeah. I mean, you know,"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": ">> so we both had cameras rolling. At the"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "time, his camera had just died, so it"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "was basically just my perspective."}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "However, there was a little bit of fear"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "in both of our eyes. Anyway, uh we get"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "there and when they roll up, I thought"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "we were just going to have a little"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "conversation. You know, you guys got to"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "you can't be around this area. Uh please"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "leave. But then once they pulled their"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "guns out, it went from zero to really"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "intense very quickly. And um yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "mean you can kind of tell by the heavy"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "breathing. It was definitely an intense"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "situation for me. I would have never"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "thought that I'd be in that type of"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "situation. I thought I was going to Area"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "51 jail. I mean instantly. So we were"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "just kind of happy to get out of there."}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "But it it wasn't so much a dangerous,"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "you know, interaction. It was more of"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "like just an exciting like what's going"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "on, you know, suspenseful kind of"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "interaction. Um yeah, it was I mean it"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "was just crazy. It was crazy."}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:33", "text": ">> And we've been there several times. This"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "is the first time we've ever actually"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "interacted with the private security uh"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "uh guys that patrol uh patrol the"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "perimeter uh called camo dudes. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "mean we we've like like you said, we've"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "gone there several times. Um we knew"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "about the area. We knew that there was"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "going to be camo dudes. We might be able"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "to see one here or there, but when they"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "first passed us while we were going up"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "the road, that's why you saw a lot of"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "excitement in my voice, you know, heard"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "a lot of excitement in my voice because"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "we didn't even think that we were going"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "going to uh see any at all. And then"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "once they turned back around on us,"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "yeah, it's definitely definitely an"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "intense situation. Very intense."}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": ">> W There's a point in the video when the"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "guy tells you, \"Man, it's your lucky"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "day. Just get the hell out of here.\""}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "basically and he gave you a chance. I"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "wonder what his uh what he would have"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "done if he said, \"Hey, look, we're not"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "crossing the signs. We're within our"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "rights. Uh man, this guy's very"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "intimidating. The Yeah, I've never seen"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "this guy before, but you've been doing"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "this stuff for a couple years.\" So, this"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "I would have to say is the most intense"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "uh situation that you've been in. What"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "do you guys say?"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": ">> Oh, definitely. And you know, I thought"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "to myself, I could argue the point."}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:45", "text": ">> You saw a smile on his eyes when we"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "turned around."}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:49", "text": ">> Yeah. You know, I thought to myself, I"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "could argue the point, but when you're"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "in a situation where things are"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "escalating quickly, it's better to"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "diffuse and distract than it is to react"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "and get in their face. So, I said,"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "\"Sure, no problem. Let's get out of"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "here.\" And we went back into the uh"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "Rachel to a place called Little Alien"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "and had a beer, talked about it, but I"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "did not want to antagonize them or"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "aggravate them anymore."}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:13", "text": ">> All right, guys. The big question. What"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "do you think's going on over there at"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "Area 51? Were you guys on a mission to"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "maybe uh you're looking for new"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "locations to get inside? And like like"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "we've seen right now, it's the first"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "time I've ever seen this uh entrance."}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "So, you guys are looking around the"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "perimeter of Area 51. What do you"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "think's going on in there?"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:34", "text": ">> Let's tell you about something that"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "happened really weird later that night."}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "Later that night, we actually went to"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "the main back gate that everybody sees"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "with the guard shacks and we have a"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "little camping spot. We made a fire ring"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "out there. We actually camped there and"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "just kind of waved to the cameras that"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "always watch us. And that night we're"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "setting up our camp. We're sitting there"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "kind of observing the night sky, you"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "know, and that kind of stuff. And next"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "thing you know, there was this large"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "orange glow to the southwest,"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:02", "text": ">> just over the hills."}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Not Las Vegas cuz that's that's"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "about 200 150 180 mi away. We're talking"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "about very close within about 30 miles."}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "And then came this large blast of hot"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "air that was definitely 20 to 30° warmer"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "than the surrounding temperature cuz it"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "was down in the 50s and this felt"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "definitely like 80s or 90s degree"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "temperature. Came right through that"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "area."}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:26", "text": ">> Only lasted for about a minute or so."}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": ">> Exactly. No noise whatsoever"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "and then it shut back down and we"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "couldn't get our cameras going fast"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "enough. But we're both skeptics and we"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "like to go out and prove existence of"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "some factual something. And this was the"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "one thing that even made my son here,"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "the biggest skeptic say, \"Whoa,"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "something just happened that was"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "definitely not normal. Call it"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "paranormal.\""}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:52", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, you know, really to each"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "his own. For me, like you were saying, I"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "mean, I I choose to be a little bit more"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "realistic about it. You know, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "really going to believe until I see with"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "my own eyes. However, each time we've"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "gone back there, it's gotten"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "progressively more spooky. More things"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "have been happening. As you saw, this"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "past time we went, we actually had"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "interaction with the camo dudes as where"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "before it's just we get videotape of"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "them. We had that large, you know, glow"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "in the sky with warm wind coming"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "through. Um, and that was the second"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "time we had camped there. So, it's"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "definitely getting a little bit more,"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "you know, intense as we keep going"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "there. Um, I'm still probably not going"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "to wholeheartedly believe until I see"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "it. However, there is definitely a big"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "question that needs to be answered."}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:38", "text": ">> Yeah, there's something going on. I've"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "done some research on an area in Area 51"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "called Sector 4, which if you want to"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "check our website, it has some"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "information on a on an area that we"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "think we've actually found an"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "underground base where they keep the"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "most secretive stuff. And also we've"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "interviewed people who either have"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "worked at or spouses, daughters or sons"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "have worked at Area 51. And they have"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "said that uh there's sector 4, the"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "underground base in Area 51 is where the"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "most sensitive, we'll call it"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "otherworldly things they believe are"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "being kept. Yeah. And so that's where a"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "lot of the, you know, going through"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "these what we call secret back gates and"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "all that comes into play. We keep trying"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "to find different perspectives of the"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "area, maybe to get some sort of angle or"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "maybe just to see things that nobody"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "else has seen before. Um, but yeah, like"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "he was talking about, we we we think we"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "located a different little like subbase"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "entrance and we were just trying to"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "locate and see different things and just"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "see what comes in, you know, see what"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "happens."}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:41", "text": ">> Wow. You know, what you guys are doing"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "is amazing work. We're going to be"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "supplying the original links to their"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "website, their YouTube channel because"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "they're updating quite often. So, you"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "got to stay tuned to Joe and Garrett"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "because uh you never know what's going"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "to happen next with these guys on the"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "ground and their motorcycles. They could"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "get there in and out real quick. So, who"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "knows what's happening next. All right,"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "real quick. One uh last question here."}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "Any repercussions after putting out this"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "shocking video in regards to Area 51?"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": ">> Not yet. Although we just were on a TV"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "show called Right This Minute and they"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "contacted the Air Force on our behalf."}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "No answer yet. I am waiting for the men"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "in black to knock at our doors."}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:21", "text": ">> Seriously though."}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": ">> Seriously. I believe that because this"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "escalated quickly. We've been to Area 51"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "so many times. Their trucks have"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "cameras. They have facial recognition"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "software. They recognize this."}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:36", "text": ">> We are for sure."}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": ">> Hardly anybody rides a Bule motorcycle."}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "It's an American motorcycle made by"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "Harley. Whatever. No one ever drives"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "those. They see us roll up. They knew"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "almost who we were. And that's why they"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "got so aggressive."}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "Wow. And there it is. People from around"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "the world you asked for and we got the"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "guys on third phase of the firsthand"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "account. Quite amazing. Guys, stay safe"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "and if the men in black do come around,"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "get your camera ready. I want to see"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "that. Guys, be safe."}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:06", "text": ">> All right, guys. Welcome to Third Phase"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "Moon. That's what it's all about."}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "Breaking the news as it comes in. And uh"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "you know what? It's quite incredible."}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "Everybody, keep your eyes on the skies."}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "Be safe. Blake Cousins. We'll see you"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "again next time. [music]"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "[music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon. The"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "phenomenon is strong today. We've got"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "crazy UFO videos coming in from around"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "the world. Let's just roll it right now."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "Good to be with everybody from around"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "the world. You've got the cousins"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "brothers Blake and Brent [music] and"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "we've got the videos for you today. And"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "we're looking at this once again. We're"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "getting some close-ups of this object"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "just belining across the sky"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "moving at a high rapid rate of speed,"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "but the cameraman manages to capture"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "whatever this object is pretty clear."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "Brett, what's your thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "Yeah, look at this thing. You got a"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "cloudy sky and then you got this dark"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "object. It almost looks spherical and"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "it's moving at quite some speed from"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "left to right. Look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "[music] You look at it, you see some"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "sort of structure to it. It's up there."}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "It's not a balloon. Like roll that out."}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "And we're looking at something pretty"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "incredible here."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "Look at the pace of this thing. And the"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "direct beigned [music] straight access"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "through the sky. No undulation, no"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "oscillation."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "It almost looks metallic when we get"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "[music] this extreme closeup."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "Kind of resembles the spheres that we've"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "[music] been seeing across the globe,"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "but this one's a little different. You"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "see a bulbish underbelly of it."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "Interesting. Metallic [music] in nature."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "Crazy stuff. Here's another video. Very"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "similar indeed."}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "This one just remaining stationary in"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "[music] the sky. We're going to get some"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "extreme close-ups of well as well, but"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "this one"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "looks to me like it's almost the same"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "craft and we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "that's unexplained."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "way up there in the sky. I'd say"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "approximately 1500 feet, maybe up to 2"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "to 3,000 feet in elevation."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "Person on the ground actually had a"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "pretty good camera was able to zoom in"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "close, but look at how static it remains"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "up there."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "And then with the extreme closeup, you"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "could almost see that this thing is"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "rotating ever so slightly."}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "You're listening to some Paul Bear KV5"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "music. It's good to have his tracks back"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "on Third Phase."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "We're going to be supplying the original"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "link if you want to check out some of"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "his music tracks. But right now, we're"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "looking at something quite incredible. A"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "flying disc. Is this a sports model,"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "Bryant?"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": ">> Yeah. Look at that. Just sitting up"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "stationary up in the sky. Just moving"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "slightly."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "And it's way up there like you said,"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "Blake. It almost has this almost copper"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "sheen to it. It does look metallic and"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "it's definitely some sort of object up"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "there. That's"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "that makes you question what's keeping"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "this up in in the sky. I don't see no"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "props, no thrust, no emissions of any"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "any sort. What we're seeing is a"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "phenomenon right here. I'm actually"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "adding a little speed to it to show its"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "motion right now. I think I sped it up"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "like 300% to show its kind of dynamic"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "path that it takes. Look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "We could see the glint off of it."}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "Are these other worldly craft? That's a"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "big question."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Yeah. When we get a pretty decent"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "closeup on it, and I like the way he"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "sped it up, Brett, because"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "the consistency of its motion, it it's"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "very smooth. And so is the surface of"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "this craft. No rivets,"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "no bolts. It seems like it's a one piece"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "mold. Totally seamless."}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "right there. Look at that. Incredible"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "metallic."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "The sports model again."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "All right, now let's get an extreme"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "closeup. Brandon, do you see this?"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "Look how smooth the underbelly is. It's"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "we can see the sheen of light coming off"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "of it. Crazy stuff. Yeah, great"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "close-ups right there. Really showcases"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "this vehicle. This is cool. Again, let's"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "get another closeup of this while he"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "tries to focus. And once he does, he"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "gets some really crystal clear infocus"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "shots of the UFO. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "Here it is. There. There. You see the"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "point? It's totally crystal clear at"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "that moment. There you see it. It looks"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "like metal. It looks like the Bob Lazar"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "sports model indeed. Right here."}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "It's almost like a beveled edge"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "underneath. Maybe for aerodynamics"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "cutting through the air. I'm not exactly"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "sure, but that's crazy stuff here,"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "right? We got more videos coming into"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "third phase. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "Commercial airliner flanked by multiple"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "orbs, metallic spheres. Look closely."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "All right, let's watch this one more"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "time. Pretty interesting stuff. If you"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "look right there on the back tail, you"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "can see this orb, multiple orbs,"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "metallic orbs, tracking this United"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "Airlines commercial airliner just"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "hovering. I wonder if the pilot knows"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "that it's being observed by these"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "spheres, Brian. Yeah, look at that. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "basically flanking this commercial"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "airliner. It's bas It looks basically"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "almost I don't know 50 to 100 ft"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "adjacent to the aircraft itself."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "Kind of reminds me of the booasphars"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "we've been seeing recently and all the"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "these metallic,"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "you know, silver chrome balls, you could"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "call them, floating. And now we see it"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "next to a commercial airliner. Look at"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "this again. Look at the speed these"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "things are flying at too. Keeping up"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "with this this plane."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what the"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "takeoff speed for a United commercial"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "airliner is, but I'd imagine it's at"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "least over 150 m an hour to keep up with"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "it and then continues to go up to 200,"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "300 miles an hour. And these things are"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "remaining very consistent as it tracks"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "this. This is um"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "this is some amazing footage. You're not"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "seeing this kind of these videos, this"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "evidence coming in from the trashy"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "tanches coming out of the Department of"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "War, the Department of Defense, whatever"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "you want to call it. These these trashy"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "tranch of videos, they should be sharing"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "you these kind of videos, the evidence."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "They're very intelligent indeed."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "I don't think they mean the commercial"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "airliner any harm."}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "Obviously, if they wanted to do"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "something, they would and they would"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "easily be able to do something. But"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "apparently, it looks like they're just"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "observing it almost like how dolphins"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "would follow underneath boats and travel"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "along the currents of the the underwater"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "as the boats"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "traverse. And the dolphins like to hit"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "that current. And right here we're"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "looking at these things kind of like"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "staying in the wind current right there"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "with commercial airliner."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "Broad daylight sighting, multiple silver"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "spheres"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "tracking a commercial airliner. It"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "really doesn't get much better than"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "that. This is a mystery to us."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "All right, more videos of the"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "phenomenon. You're in the right place."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "Take a look at this beautiful sighting."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "Hey,"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "hey, hey."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "right, just a steal off the video right"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "as they lose sight of it as it the the"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "UFO traverses behind a building. Now"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "we're going to get a super extreme"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "closeup of this craft illuminated"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "with plasmic lights,"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "port holes. I'm not exactly sure. This"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "thing, whatever it is, it's amazing. And"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "this extreme closeup, it it just looks"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "like energy, but you could almost make"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "out a structure. A little blinking light"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "there right in the center."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "But look at the activity on this thing."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "Brent. Yeah, this is wild. It looks"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "basically something out of Stephen"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "Spielberg's movie, Close Encounters of"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "the Third Kind. Just this illuminated,"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "charged energy craft. And and it's"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "showcasing itself. You can see it. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "Pulsating, charging up. And you can see"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "some inner workings of light within the"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "craft itself, too. Very cool stuff right"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "here. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "right. I like the distance shot. You"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "could almost see the refra Well, you see"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "the refraction of light there on the"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "water below."}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "This is the original shot. We're looking"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "at it. It's It's just unbelievable. I"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "don't think this is a balloon or blimp"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "or anything like that. And again, look"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "at the the light shimmering on the water"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "Probably about maybe 500 600 feet in"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "elevation."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "This thing just kind of traversing"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "across the city landscape."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "Unbelievable footage. Now, take a look"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "at this. I call this"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "scary as hell. The jagged UFO,"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "broad daylight sighting,"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "whatever it is, it's up there. Man, this"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "one's wild. Here you can see actually"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "see inside the craft."}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "Right above the electric lines, this"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "thing is remaining static, slightly"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "rotating, possibly."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "Okay, we're getting extreme slow motion."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "A closeup of it. Wow."}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "Get your fingers out of the lens, man."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "Just keep shooting the UFO. I guess he's"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "kind of adjusting, trying to capture"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "what he can. You just you can't be"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "overly prepared when you see something"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "like this."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "Even though his fingers are kind of like"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "getting in the way of the lens, he"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "manages to get the amazing shot of this"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "thing. Brent,"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "whoa, look at this thing. It's It's"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "creepy as all hell. I kind of could dub"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "this one the claw UFO. has these jagged"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "edges and and we're getting a really"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "clear look at this thing as it slightly"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "rotates. You could see, like you said,"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "within the craft itself. And when you"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "get a closeup, you can see structure to"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "this thing. Kind of has a protruding"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "thing to the to the left of the craft"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "itself"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "and right, both sides. Kind of like"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "maybe some tur turrets. I'm not sure."}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "But look at that. You almost see some"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "sort of like"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "red reddish dome on top of the craft"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "itself too. This is really cool. Look at"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "Yeah. Look at the energy field from"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "within"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "again extreme slow motion. We're getting"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "really close up. Look at the plasmic"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "field again from within the craft. Right"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "there at the top there's little corona"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "reddish hue of color"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "spherical in nature within the energy of"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "the craft itself. Is this is this a"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "propulsion that's keeping this thing up"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "in the air? Because I'm not seeing"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "anything"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "practical that"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "or anything conventional that could keep"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "this thing in the air. It's seemingly"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "defy the laws of physics here."}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "Man, this one's creepy. Brian, I I don't"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "know. Man-made? Extraterrestrial? I"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "don't know. That inner part of the craft"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "screams to me of plasmic energy, but the"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "structure of the craft itself, it almost"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "seems constructed by man. Is this"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "reverse engineered? Is this man-made or"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "something otherworldly? Your thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "Yeah, that's a big question right here."}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "It could be maybe both. And you could"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "definitely see that it is structure."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "It's not some sort of just plasmic"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "charged up of energy of ball that this"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "is like metal components. It's actually"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "moving and rotating and it has some sort"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "of sense of purpose. What's it doing"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "over there? Is it spying on the"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "neighborhood?"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "Whatever it is, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "something legitimate. No AI, no CGI, and"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "we've got something else. This one"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "coming in from Los Angeles. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "We've got the LAPD"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "investigating in a helicopter"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "taking a close look at whatever this"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "cylindrical object is just hanging up in"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "the sky. The eyewitnesses said that this"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "helicopter was basically surrounding"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "this thing for about 30 seconds. He"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "noticed it, started to pull out his"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "camera, and then for some reason the"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "helicopter, the LAPD, just kind of like"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "took off from it. Maybe he was"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "intimidated by this craft, but whatever"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "it is, it's a vertical shaped cigar-"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "shaped craft, metallic in nature, in my"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "opinion. Once again, no means of"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "propulsion. I don't think this is some"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "banner or floating advertisement that"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "uh got cut loose. I'm not seeing any"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "tether, but this thing remains static in"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "the sky. But I I'd estimate it's"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "probably at least twice the size of that"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "helicopter. So maybe about 45 feet in"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "length, Brett. Yeah, it's good uh call"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "right there. Yeah, I believe it's it's"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "quite big. And it is just remaining"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "static in the sky over the Los Angeles"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "basin. And we're getting a really good"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "close-up here. We took a steel and we're"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "we're blowing it up. And this is it. You"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "actually see some sort of structure. It"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "looks metallic. We're adding a little"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "brightness contrast to kind of make it"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "pop. Yeah, this is uh not typical in LA."}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "You don't see this all the time. And"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "it's pretty much uh I would say about 5"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "miles from downtown LA, maybe four"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "miles. There's downtown off in the"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "distance there. And then pan back to the"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "right. And there it is."}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "You know, I noticed, look at how windy"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "it is as well. The the leaves are"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "blowing, the trees are swaying from left"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "to right, but this thing's remaining"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "static in the sky."}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "Is that a is that a LAPD helicopter? I'm"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "not sure. But from the eyewitness, they"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "stated that this thing was in close"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "proximity to whatever this craft is. But"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "again, notice the wind."}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": ">> It's not wavering from left to right."}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "It's just"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "just kind of hovering over there."}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "an observation vehicle keeping an eye on"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "things, some kind of surveillance, new"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "technology. Brent, your thoughts on"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "that? Yeah, it could be. You never know,"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "but it's quite often LA has this these"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "encounters with LAPD helicopters"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "engaging the phenomenon, the UFOs, and"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "they get in pretty close proximity to"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "these these objects. And the problem is"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "we're not getting any visual data from"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "the LAPD. We never get any video or any"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "of these close-ups that, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "the helicopter pilots observing when"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "they get so close within probably about"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "50 ft. You could they're basically"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "touching it. We need that smoking gun"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "proof from the LAPD."}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "That's right. These uh again trashy"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "tanches coming out of the government."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "Why do they only deal with the military?"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "What about the police force?"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "the fire department. All the above. And"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "take a look at this video. Possible"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "alien captured in the woods. This one's"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "pretty controversial. Watch."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "All right, let's take a look at this one"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "more time. Pretty crazy footage here."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "Some people are claiming that this is"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "smoking gun of an extraterrestrial being"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "spotted in the woods. It's definitely"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "not Bigfoot, but look at this thing. It"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "moves from tilts his head. It's kind of"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "hard to see, but there it is."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "I don't think this is AI by any means."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "This has been in uh circulation, I"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "think, for almost 14 years. But this is,"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "I think, the clearest footage of this"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "video. It's been making the rounds. I'm"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "not sure if you guys have se seen it."}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "It's been a long time since I've seen"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "this video. And the clarity behind it,"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "it's quite interesting. You can almost"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "make out that this thing is like looking"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "around for something."}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "Look at this thing. Is it a crypted?"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "It's kind of spooky looking, Brent."}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "Yeah, indeed. We've seen Yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "remember seeing this um some time ago on"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "third phase. And yeah, I've seen it."}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "It's making the rounds again. And so we"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "decided to pull up the best quality cuz"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "seems like all this stuff just gets"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "washed out over all the generation loss."}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "Th This is pretty close to the original"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "right here. And we're looking at some"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "sort of like you say crypted. You can"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "see the head kind of bobbing up and"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "down. It seems to be observing the area"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "there. It's looking to the to the left"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "and then it kind of turns around and"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "starts looking down. Yeah, definitely"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "this is it's not AI. Could it be some"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "sort of, you know, puppeteering going"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "on? I'm not sure, but I don't who's if"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "it's that's the case. Somebody's doing a"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "really good job at pulling this off."}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "Yeah, it seems like the person that's"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "shooting it is kind of like kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "freaked out."}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "His hands are shaking. I would be"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "shaking too if I saw this and I was"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "hiking out of the woods. This is pretty"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "spooky. But again, look at the dynamics"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "of this thing. His head tilts from left"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "to right, right to left."}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "Watch it one more time before we get to"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "the next video because if you want I"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "don't know some of these"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "extraterrestrial beings I guess that"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "alien interview Richard Dodie just said"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "that was real on Chris Ramsey show. I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "not sure but I believe that they've been"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "here. They're visiting us possibly"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "caught on video. In this case we're"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "looking at something that's unexplained."}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "Maybe smoking gun footage of an"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "extraterrestrial being right there."}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "Now we're looking at crystal clear UFO"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "video. It really doesn't get much better"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "than this. A metallic shaped craft with"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "a golden hieroglyphics on top. It's It's"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "amazing. [music] Take a look."}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "It's just hovering there. At this"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "moment, I'm getting an extreme closeup."}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "The classic flying disc. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "Look at the clarity here, guys."}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "But this slight rotation"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "once again, why isn't the government"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "showing these kind of videos? We want to"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "see the crystal clearar videos. I guess"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "we'll never see it. It's the public is"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "where disclosure is at. Third phase of"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "moon is disclosure. Taking the evidence"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "from around the world and sharing it to"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "you as fast as possible. That's what"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "we're doing right now. Look at the"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "chrome on this thing."}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "It's not a drone."}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "There's no props coming off this thing."}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "And once again, we're ruling out CGI AI."}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "We're looking at something authentic"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "hovering in the sky. It's hard to make"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "out the exact size of it."}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "Maybe about 15 to 20 ft in diameter"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "here, but this"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "is about as clear as it gets right now."}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "A still from"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "the video. And now let's we're rolling"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "it in slow motion. Brent, your thoughts"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "on this? This is incredible stuff. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "this is a high class UFO right here."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "Look at this. We got another pod zooming"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "in. But when you get the close-ups of"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "this thing actually flying and you can"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "see kind of the valley in the"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "background, it's very impressive. There"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "there's a full shot and it's just kind"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "of moving in this kind of left to right"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "trajectory. And then when you get the"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "close-ups, you can see this thing is"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "made out of metal. And you can see kind"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "of in between of the seam lines there."}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "It almost looks like port holes, maybe"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "windows. I'm not sure."}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "I wonder who's occupying this craft."}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "could be unmanned, could be occupied."}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "But"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "again, people have been seeing these"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "since biblical times. And almost you"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "could make out at the very top there."}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "Well, this side angle, you can almost"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "see the port holes, Brett, like you say."}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "But when you look at it from the top,"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "you see a little bit of gold on there."}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "Are those hieroglyphics?"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "Wow. Incredible stuff coming into third"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "phase of moon. What an episode,"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "the clarity of these videos and the"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "evidence. 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[{"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "We've got Blake and Brett Cousins, and"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "we've got broad daylight sightings for"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "you. Up close and personal encounters"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "with the Metallica disc. It's all in"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "this episode. So, buckle up. Let's get"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "to it. We're looking at something quite"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "special. Orbs, a dancing among the"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "fields right there in London. We've got"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "the shot for you today. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "Clean it up."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "plasmic orbs making appearance. We're"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "getting a closeup right now looking at"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "it. We're looking at something special."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "Brent, what's your thoughts here? Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "look at these charged clusters. They're"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "basically maneuvering around each other."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "This is really an incredible capture by"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "a couple in the UK. Look at that. They"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "almost became one and then they start"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "dancing around. Look at these things."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "They're pulsating and charging up."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "I wouldn't be surprised if you went back"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "there just moments later, if you don't"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "look closely, that there might be some"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "crop circles being created because of"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "these orbs just dancing. probably"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "approximately a quarter of a mile away"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "from the eyewitness, but he managed to"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "get a pretty damn good shot. The"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "original to the left on the lower"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "portion there and uh I blew it up about"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "230% so we could get a good look at it."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "And again, like you say, Brent, it seems"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "that they can they converge as to one"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "and then they separate. But again, they"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "it seems like they got purpose to them"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "like they're intelligent."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "Yeah, look at that. They're conjoining"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "again and they seem to be like again"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "powering up. It looks like there's a a"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "dance with purpose. It's very cool here."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "Look at this."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "Absolutely stunning and beautiful"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "footage coming in here. I like the way"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "just the nature of these orbs, how they"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "pulsate in and out. Different elements"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "of color spectrum. A little bit of blue,"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "a little bit of red, definitely some"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "white brilliance of light. Incredible"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "capture. Maybe natural phenomenon. I"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "want to get your people's thoughts. Uh"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "we're getting a good still frame from"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "the video itself. Pretty amazing stuff"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "coming in right here. Let's just roll it"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "one more time before we get to the next"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "video."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "The person who witnessed it said they"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "didn't hear a sound."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "They felt that it could have been some"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "kind of electric charge in the sky."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "There was a lightning storm prior to it."}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "They were stating."}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "I don't know, man. Natural or"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "phenomenon. Either way, it's it's"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "incredible. That's why we're sharing it"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "with you right here at Third Phase. Now,"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "let's get to this. A a display in the"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "sky. Maybe another malfunction. A UFO"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "being brought down. Something"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "catastrophic, it seems, is going down in"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "this video right now. And we're looking"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "at it. Separate shots of the same event"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "coming up. Look at this right angle"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "turn. It just went on a trajectory"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "downward"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "as if it were spiling out of control."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "Here's another angle from the same"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "event. We're going to look at it."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "It definitely looks like a shutown of"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "something unidentified flying object."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "There is no official word to what"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "happened with regards to this event. I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "speeding up the footage here so you"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "could see the organic nature of it."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "Watch this. I sped it up about 300%."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "the organics in here. It's the second"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "angle I sped up"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "as it takes this downward trajectory"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "angle almost a 90° very unusual. Sped up"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "again. Brett, what's your thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "Yeah, look at this. It's a huge display"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "in the sky and people are aware. They're"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "on the ground. They looked up and they"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "see this event taking place and uh"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "there's multiple eyewitnesses. That's"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "the best part about this. Here's a"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "second shot. But when you do that fast"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "forward of whatever took place, it shows"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "something basically making a beline"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "straight towards the ground here. And it"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "definitely looks like something was"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "struck."}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "Again, possible motive of the directive"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "of the president to bring down UAPs,"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "UFOs, shoot them down. He wants to"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "bypass the legacy programs, the problem"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "itself, because some of these big"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "corporations are clandestine and they're"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "not giving any information to our"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "government or the people. So maybe if"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "they have these alien technology in"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "their assets, these private"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "corporations, Trump might just want to"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "bypass that. I'll bring them down, shoot"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "them down, and recover the technology. I"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "highly advise against that if they're"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "extraterrestrial craft in nature or"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "extraterrestrial occupants. Obviously,"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "we don't want to be shooting those"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "things down, but hey, if you're going to"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "go up against a rogue company keeping"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "secrets from us, um well, maybe all bets"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "are off. I'm not sure. Just don't shoot"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "down the ETSs, all right? Because you"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "might be asking for something, biting"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "more than you could chew. So, again, a"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "crazy sighting. Let's take a look at the"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "next one coming into third phase. Hit"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "that thumbs up, guys."}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "Brett, what's going on in this video?"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "Yeah, we see a light in the sky and it's"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "kind of like it's transparent. Let's"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "look at this a little longer. Let it"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "roll."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "Okay, here's a closeup. Still, we're"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "looking at something that's"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "undescribable. And it's again, here's"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "another photo. What is this? You're"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "seeing a bright illuminated light with"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "transparency. It's It's basically no"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "flare. It's not a plane. It's not a"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "balloon. It's just they're up in the"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "sky. Some sort of charge of electricity"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "or some sort of vehicle hovering up"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "It's like a shimmering blade of gleaming"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "light. It's uh very strange the spectrum"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "coming through here."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "Couple little photographs coming from"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "the same event. I don't see any"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "structure or craft or anything. It's"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "just illuminated illuminosity of light."}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "Just energy. Pure energy. Beautiful."}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "Now, let's get to the next video. Coming"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "into third phase, guys. you're in the"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "right place if you want to see the"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "strangeness of UFOs happening 24/7"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "around the world. Let's roll it."}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "All right, once again, a swarm."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "Thousands of UFOs in the sky. I know"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "this just happened over San Diego a few"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "days ago. We broke the news right here"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "at Thirdphase Moon. And once again, the"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "phenomenon shakes up the world as we"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "look at something incredible. Massive"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "orbs."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "Again, I'm not saying invasion, but then"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "again, I'm saying invasion. But I don't"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "know if they're hostile. We would know"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "it by now. They're just maybe showing"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "themselves to us. They're bold, these"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "UFOs lately. Brett, what's going on?"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "Look at the fleet of these things."}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "There's, like you say, hundreds of them"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "just hovering in the sky. And it's"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "basically"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "filling up the whole night sky with"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "dazzling lights as they traverse from"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "left to right slowly. People on the"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "ground are stunned."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "Look at the display up here. Up here"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "right now going on. This is incredible"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "footage coming in."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "Yep. Just days ago, San Diego was uh"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "shook up by what happened over their"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "city. And again, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "something"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "different location, same activity."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "Something's adding up, but I can't tell"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "you what it is. What's the equation? I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "not sure, but the UFOs are off the hook"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "lately."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "Could"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "it be bunch of Chinese lanterns? I I"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "don't think so. That would be a little"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "hazardous. If they were to come down,"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "they could start fires. I think they're"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "regulated in certain countries where you"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "can't just light off and send off"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "thousands of Chinese lanterns. I think"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "what we're looking at here is just a"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "bunch of plasmic energy."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "It's not the Milky Way."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "It's not Starlink. I don't know. I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "just joking there. But again, the UFO"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "activity in this video,"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "it leaves you wondering what is going"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "on."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "Any last word on this one, Brett, before"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "we get to the next one? Yeah, just like"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "wondering, could they be like thousands"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "of drones up there, but they don't seem"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "to be making any sort of pattern of of"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "some sort of like um you know, display."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "It just seemed kind of random. They're"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "just a bunch of random lights orbs just"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "kind of hovering there and slowly"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "drifting. Could they be Chinese"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "lanterns? I don't think so, Blake."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "They're Look at this. It They seem like"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "solid solid charge cluster orbs. It's"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "pretty cool stuff here. Absolutely,"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "Brent. Yeah. No explanation. And we got"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "some crazy UFO video of a close"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "encounter with a metallic disc. That's"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "coming up in just a bit. But let's get"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "to the next video. Broad daylight"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "sighting."}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "Something unusual. A silvery object just"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "remains static, stationary in the sky."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "Watch this."}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "Cardio."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "Right,"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "let's get a close-up look right here of"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "this object. It oscillates a little bit"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "up and down, but it's not moving left to"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "right. It's just kind of remaining"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "stagnant in the air, just hovering, kind"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "of saying, \"Here I am.\" Shimmering"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "light. Is this a Myar balloon, Brent?"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "What's your thoughts? Hell no. That's no"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "balloon, Blake. That look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "It looks like a solid kind of like"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "cigar- shaped object, but it's stainless"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "steel and it's glenning in the sun. You"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "can see like it's almost made of chrome."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "Look at the shine on this thing. And"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "it's not moving anywhere. It's staying"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "static right there in the sky. This is"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "This is incredible."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "Yeah, it's stationary right over that"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "building. Not moving. It's good uh"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "reference point."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "And again, it it does look like a cigar-"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "shaped craft just kind of oscillating a"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "little bit up and down, but not in"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "elevation or altitude."}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "Very cool stuff right here at third"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "phase. Let's get to the next video of"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "what looks to be again a massive display"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "of a charge cluster or some kind of orb."}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "Watch this. It's beautiful sighting."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "Right, let's get a closeup. you know"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "something um with regards to this video."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "It lasted for almost 20 minutes. For the"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "sake of the program, we're just getting"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "some of the major sections that we"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "thought was interesting. But look at"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "this thing undulating up and down. Pure"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "plasmic energy. Amazing."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "Yeah. The cool part about this, this guy"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "filmed it for like almost 20 minutes."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "That's incredible. And look at this"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "thing just kind of go around in these"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "geometric circles. And this thing's"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "bright. It's a huge orb. I say it's"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "probably the size of a minivan."}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "And it sits there over that icy"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "neighborhood. You can see snow on the"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "ground. And you can see homes and the"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "trees in the background. But look at"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "this orb as it kind of dances and kind"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "of just seems like it's just fooling"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "around saying, \"Here I am. Look at me."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "Look at this.\""}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "Yeah. Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, I'm"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "thinking that this came in from"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "Anchorage, Alaska. We'll have to check"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "the reference on that. But once again,"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "we're looking at something authentic."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "This video lasted for 20 minutes. He's"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "was zoomed in as much as he possibly"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "could. And this thing is just out of"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "place. And the way it just dances in the"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "sky."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "It didn't burn out. It just kind of just"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "remained there hovering. Fascinating"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "video. And the person that shot it was"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "uh pretty much his life ex uh kind of"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "changed after this. Witnessing the"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "phenomenon, it kind of rewires your"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "brain a little bit, your thought"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "process."}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "All right, let's get to the next video"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "coming in to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "We're excited to be here. We're"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "broadcasting from the Hollywood Hills"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "tonight. Where are you chiming in from?"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "All right, let's roll the next one right"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "Coming in from Google Earth. Somebody"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "submitted these coordinates to us and"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "said, \"Hey, take a look at what I found"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "hiding in the sky.\" And we're going to"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "look at it right now"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": ">> with these coordinates. You You follow"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "the coordinates. You pull up. And then"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "this comes into view."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": ">> All right. We're taking a look at this."}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "Some people might say that this is kind"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "of like a Google Earth an anomaly, a"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "glitch. And uh I don't know. I don't"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "think so. What I think what we're"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "looking at here is it's there's"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "something in the sky. And you could kind"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "of see it ever so slightly hidden and"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "obscured by the cloud layer. And if you"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "go from multiple angles, you actually"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "can see this craft. So, I don't think"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "this is some kind of glitch or an"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "anomaly in the photographic equipment as"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "these people traversed across the"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "country mapping out Google Earth from"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "the ground level. I think we're looking"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "at something crazy. And just I think in"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "last night's episode, if you go back, if"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "you haven't watched last night's"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "episode, I suggest you do because"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "there's evidence of what looked to be a"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "500 600 mile wide TR3B hidden in the"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "Pacific cloaked in the clouds. Kind of"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "similar to this. I'm not saying this"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "one's 500 miles. This one is a typical"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "TR3B uh length. More like a football"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "field size, maybe 300 ft in length."}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "Brent, your thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "Yeah, this is incredible. Yeah, this"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "thing's it's huge, whatever it is. And I"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "like that you could actually go on"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "Google Earth. I think this was captured"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "in Ohio and you can move to different"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "points and then you look up and the"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "object's still there hidden cloaked in"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "the clouds. And that's the cool part."}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "This whole week we've been showing kind"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "of showcasing these triangle dark-shaped"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "craft that are cloaking themselves in"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "the sky, hidden in the clouds, and all"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "you see is just a peak of it. See, we're"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "moving to Google Earth and we're going"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "to see if we can spot it once again. And"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "let's scout around here. And we pull up"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "and you're going to see that it's just"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "not in one stitch of the Google image."}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "It's there pressed in into a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "images. That proves that this thing's up"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "there in the sky. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "Yeah, it looks like somebody was trying"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "to sell their couch out front or"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "throwing away their couch. But right"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "above"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "that home, the TR3B."}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "Again, this came in I don't think a any"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "anybody I witnessed this. This this came"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "in after Discovery while somebody was on"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "Google Google Maps, Google Earth looking"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "over their area, I guess, and they"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "looked up and saw this thing."}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "All right, now let's go to this next"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "video. It's pretty controversial. I want"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "to get your thoughts. We're not sure."}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "Apparently, it was uploaded to Reddit"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "and then immediately taken down. And"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "let's take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "Was there like an occupant within? This"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "is looking very interesting. I'm I'm"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "definitely going to say if this is real,"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "we're looking at something that's very"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "extraordinary. But the craft itself, it"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "has like rivets and bolts. So, I got a"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "feeling whatever it is, it's man-made."}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "No doubt about it. You could kind of see"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "the guy. He steps upon it. It looks kind"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "of smooth the way he walks up on there."}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "I'm not sure"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "if this is legitimate, but again, the"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "rivets is kind of a dead giveaway. Look,"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "there's an occupant. You could kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "see inside almost looks like a"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "a manted a crypted manted kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "species."}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "But again, a manmade craft in my"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "opinion. I don't know. What? I don't"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "think extraterrestrials would need"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "rivets or bolts. Yeah, I know. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "this is a reverse engineered craft using"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "some alien technology and man-made at"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "the same time. But maybe the occupant,"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "like you said, it look almost like a"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "like some sort of mantis kind of alien."}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "Maybe we're working in cahoots with"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "these guys and this is one of their"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "spaceships. It's hard to tell. It"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "doesn't look AI. Let me just let me just"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "say that. Looks fairly legitimate. It"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "looks like everything's standing out."}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "You see the reflections coming off the"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "window. And then you get in right next"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "to the port hole right here. Looking"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "through, you almost make out a figure."}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "But there it is. Look at this. Let's"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "look do a little slow motion. Do you see"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "it? Look at that."}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "You know, there's one thing missing as"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "I'm looking at it. Maybe maybe the angle"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "of the glass pane or the window pane on"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "this craft is tilted in the wrong"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "direction. But as he gets in closer,"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "he kind of brushes through the those"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "banana leaves."}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "It's got ferns in the in the forest. But"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "the part where he gets up close and then"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "kind of walks on top of it, that's like"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "a super steady shot. You would think"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "he'd struggle a little bit more."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "You see the reflection of the palms"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "above, but I don't really see the"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "reflection of the person filming. Or do"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "you kind of see the indicator of the"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "lens of the cameraman? H"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "interesting stuff coming in. I don't"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "know about this one, but we wanted to"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "share it with you. It's kind of"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "interesting that it was just recently"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "deleted off Reddit. But take a look at"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "this. These guys aboard"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "what what a gondola wire system pretty"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "high up. And then they shoot, they"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "witnessed this just outside"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "as they're traversing down the gondola."}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "And then this thing kind of came in"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "close proximity of an unknown object in"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "the sky just hovering. It's a little"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "shaky, but you could make out some"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "definitely geometric shapes. It's It's"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "bizarre,"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "Yeah, definitely an odd shape. This was"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "captured in Juno, Alaska. And yeah, like"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "they were up in their gondola and they"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "actually were shooting this outside"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "while they're traversing down and they"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "notice this strange object with all"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "sorts of weird edges and sharp points"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "and it doesn't look like it's it doesn't"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "look like anything normal. It looks very"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "strange. And when you get it in focus,"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "then you see the the strangeness. Look"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "at the point. It's like has a sharp"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "point and these weird odd edges and"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "doesn't look like your typical drone."}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "This looks like something something very"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "odd. What's keeping this up than the sky"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "over there?"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "All right, we're get getting some really"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "good close-ups here."}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "I'm I fast forwarded the film a little"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "bit again so you could see the"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "the flight pattern on this. Sometimes"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "when you fast forward things, you get a"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "lot more data on it because you could"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "kind of see its flight dynamics. And"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "this one is behaving in a strange way."}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "Again,"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "it's hard to tell exactly what we're"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "looking at, but it's it's bizarre,"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "man. This week right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "Moon, or actually this past month and a"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "half, we've been putting out videos"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "every single day. We're not stopping. Uh"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "the videos keep on coming in. And if"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "you've captured anything amazing, submit"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "it to us right here at Thirdphase of"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "Moon. My email is in the description."}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "Upload that file to any social media and"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "copy paste it to my email. Send it to us"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "right here at Thirdphase Moon. Keep your"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "eyes on the skies, everybody, along with"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "my brother Brent. We're not alone. We'll"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "see you next time. And watch more videos"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "right now."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:02", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "You've got Blake and Brent Cousins."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "We've got wild UFO videos for you"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "tonight. Right now, we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "something unknown captured in Bali. This"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "video goes on for a little bit, so let's"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "just roll it."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "You guys"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "should hold"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "And it's the second one."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:14", "text": ">> And the third one."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": ">> The third one was behind you."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "I think it's a bit outside."}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "All right. What the heck is going on in"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "Bali? We're looking at this. It's"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "unusual. Obviously, it screams drone,"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "but what kind of drone are we looking"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "at? in the indicator of lights, the"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "LEDs. It's kind of a dead giveaway, but"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "still it's unknown to us of what kind of"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "craft this could be. Something going on"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "in Bali right now. Maybe reverse"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "engineered tech. Brent, what's your"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "thoughts? Yeah, this one's pretty wild."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "And we do get a really good closeup."}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "Yeah, definitely probably man-made, but"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "it's defin definitely very strange. It's"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "not your typical drone. This is"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "something very, you know, obscure. We"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "don't see these kind of things very"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "often. And this is coming out of Brazil,"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "you said. But Bali. Yeah. The again,"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "really good shot right here."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "Yeah, we're not seeing any props on this"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "thing. It wasn't making any noise,"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "but it looks like it's under definitely"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "some control. It's not drifting like a"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "balloon either. This This thing looks"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "metallic to me and it's way up in the"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "sky. So, I' i'd imagine this is almost"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "the size of a car. So, it's pretty wild"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "what we're looking at here."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "What's going on, Bali? If you captured"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "anything there, you let us know. Now,"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "more videos coming into third phase."}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "This one's wacky. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "All right, let's look at this once"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "again. I think this is in over public if"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "I'm not mistaken. The volcano looks very"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "familiar. A lot of UFO activity over"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "there. And we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "nonetheless. Two silvery objects just"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "hovering over the volcano there."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "Way, way off at a distance. I'd say at"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "least almost two miles. Look at that"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "pullback. This guy's got a lens, let me"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "tell you that. He's getting an amazing"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "shot."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "Look at these things just glistening. He"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "finds it again in the air just ever so"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "slightly hovering. We're going to get an"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "extreme closeup. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "100% genuine footage right now. We're"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "looking at it. You can almost [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "see these beams of lights just shred off"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "the top right there. Glenning on the end"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "of that one right there up at the top"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "portion. Bre, what what's going on? Wow,"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "Blake, this is insane footage. He really"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "[music] gets in close. He's zooming in"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "as far as he can with his lens. And"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "we're seeing something amazing. Look at"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "the craft up on top. It seems to kind of"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "disappear and reappear as you got these"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "kind of two silvery rods that look like"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "they're shining like [music] stainless"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "steel. This is amazing. I I think"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "actually these UFOs are much farther"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "away. Maybe about five to 10 miles. That"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "That's quite some distance. And if"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "that's the case, these things are"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "massive. Probably the size of a half a"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "football field or even larger."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "That's right. Brighten up. More videos."}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "Take a look, guys."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "It just doesn't stop here."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "Something possibly shot down."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "We're just watching the raw here."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "Breaking news. Something's going on."}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "Something strange is going on. That's"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "not a military flare like I've seen"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "before. Something's in distress."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "And then you see more smoke there to the"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "left."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> More smoke trails. Something's weird."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "So yeah,"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "right. With the new presidential"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "directive to shoot down UFOs, UAPs, he"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "wants to bypass the legacy problem. Like"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "I said, we're saying a week or so ago"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "that we'd probably see videos just like"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "this. Are we looking at a downed UFO"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "using possible Skylar weapons? Well, the"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "hunt is on. It's basically open sky."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "Shoot them down. That's what our"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "president says. I don't know if this is"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "a direct effect of what we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "here, but definitely this is kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "probably what it would look like. And"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "again, we're looking at some strange"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "glowing. It looks way bigger than your"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "typical solar uh military flares. This"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "looks outstanding."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "Now, more broad daylight sightings. The"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "typical flying saucer that you dream"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "about seeing. Watch this. It's It's just"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "insane."}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "100% legitimate footage, guys."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "All right, we're making it pop a little"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "bit. Added some brightness, contrast."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "slow down the video so we could get a"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "good look at this cylindrical"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "silhouetted silhouetted disc just"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "hovering in the sky. No means of any"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "kind of indicator of mechanisms that are"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "that's keeping it up there. Again,"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "Arizona, this is the location from the"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "information that we got and uh it came"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "into third phase [music] moon and we got"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "the permission to share it with you. But"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "one thing we know for sure, Arizona is a"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "hot spot, Brent. Yes, indeed. We're"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "getting UFOs out of Arizona pretty close"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "to once a week. It's just going off and"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "it's kind of cool. Yeah, I don't see no"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "no props. I don't see no thrust. What's"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "keeping this up up there in the sky?"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "That's a big question. And here's"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "another one. It's pretty far away and we"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "do have some reference. We have the"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "telephone poles and the mountain in the"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "background and it looks pretty far off"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "in the distance and that's meaning this"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "thing's huge. That's right, Bren. I"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "would estimate it at least 100 to 150 ft"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "in length. That bird is much closer to"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "the cameraman and uh indicator of real"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "video. And take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "Something incredible happened. And"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "what's great about it is that we have"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "the eyewitness coming forward in this"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "episode telling us what they"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "experienced. But right now, we're"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "looking at something that looks like a"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "huge diamond luminescent craft just"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "hovering over the city. Brian. Yeah. She"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "took a series of photos and actually"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "some video, too. And that's the best"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "part. She's snapping away as she's"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "driving on the freeway and she notices"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "something that she's never seen before."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "And here's the another photo from a"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "distance. Look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "Yeah, this is uh submitted to us right"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "here at Thirdphase Moon. We're excited"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "that we were able to contact the"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "eyewitness"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "behind this event. And there's the video"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "that we're looking at. She just didn't"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "take multiple photographs. She kept"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "chasing this thing. What an So, that was"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "a video. Now, with with the advent of"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "digital photography, you're able to open"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "up the shutter a little bit so we get a"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "good clean look at this."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "So, let's get to the exclusive interview"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "with the eyewitness."}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "Hey guys, thank you for having [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "me on Third Face of Moon. So, last night"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "around 1:00 in the morning in Las Vegas,"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "we [music] were cruising around and I at"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "the mountains I saw some weird glowing"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "lights. [music] It was like bluish and"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "in the middle was red. So I told my"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "boyfriend to pull over cuz I wanted to"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "get a better view. So when we pulled"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "over, I was recording it for like about"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "good 10 [music] minutes and it was the"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "shape like of the triangle when I zoomed"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "in on [music] my phone and it was not"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "making any noise, not any helicopter"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "noises or anything like that. [music] Um"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "the lights were just glowing and it was"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "just like a weird thing next to the"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "mountains. I was like what is that? Like"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "this is weird. And [music] um by the"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "angle when I was looking at it, it was"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "it looked like it was slanted. [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "So it was just the weird thing. And it"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "wouldn't move or anything. It was just"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "sitting there for a very long time. And"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "the colors of the UFO [music] I could"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "say was like a darkish grayish"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "and that's what I saw."}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:24", "text": ">> Amazing testimony from the eyewitness."}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "Real people, real UFOs, no AI, no CGI,"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "the legit stuff right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "Moon. You're in the right place for UFO"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "videos and you're looking at one right"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": ">> Chris."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "Chris, come here. Go get Chris. Go get"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "Chris. Just go get him. I'm filming it."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "I'm filming it. Go get Chris. Hurry."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "Hurry up. Go get him. Chris, come here."}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "Chris. UFOs. Come here. Chris, come"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "here. Quick. Look at these. Come here,"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "Chris. Chris, look."}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "Look."}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "Look up in the sky."}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> Look at him."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "All right. We received this video"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "earlier this morning. It was captured"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "just a couple days ago over Utica, New"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "York. And it seems like the family is"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "stunned at what they're looking at."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "We're watching it right now. a"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "sideby-side comparison of a string of"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "lights underneath and a series of other"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "two UFOs uh releasing them. What the"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "heck is going on? Uh this video goes on"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "for about 45 seconds and uh it seems"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "that the family's amazed. Brett, what's"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "your thoughts here? Yeah, what a great"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "capture, Blake. They're just coming in"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "fast right here at third phase of moon."}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "And we're taking a close-up look at this"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "[music] one. And notice how these"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "objects are dropping these singular orbs"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "and then they create a pattern which is"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "quite unique. They just drop and then"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "you see them descend to the ground."}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "Could these be flares military exercises"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "happening over New York? That's a"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "possibility. These are strange anomalous"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "lights and I like what I'm seeing here,"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "Blake. These are definitely It's cool"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "catch to say the least. Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "That's why we're sharing it right here"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "at Thirdphase Moon. We've got two more"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "UFO videos coming up. But again, could"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "this be a military exercise? We don't"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "see any kind of a aircraft releasing"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "these flares. [music] You usually see a"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "plane releasing these things. We don't"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "see anything like that. It's hard to"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "tell exactly what it is, but um that's"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "what we're here for. We're wanting to"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "get the answers. Here we go again. Is"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "this some kind of metallic surveillance"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "uh system keeping a close eye on this or"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "is this space debris brand? It's weird"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "that it always manages to be at the"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "reentry of this booster. [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "Yeah, it's pretty wild. Uh looking at"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "this again, look how close this thing"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "gets to the rocket as it [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "approaches Earth. It's coming in at a"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "really high rate of speed. And if it did"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "hit it, I would definitely think it"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "could do some damage to this rocket."}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "We're [music] looking at objects that"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "are really getting too close for comfort"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "as far as I'm concerned. Unless if it's"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "an alien, I think they know what they're"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "doing. They know how to maneuver their"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "objects, their own alien drone. So, I"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "don't think there's a threat to the"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "rocket unless SpaceX made a mistake on"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "what they were doing and collided with"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "that itself. It seems like these objects"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "that are circling these rockets really"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "know what they're doing. Really getting"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "a close-up look at it. Yeah, I'm looking"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "at it closer and this isn't seeming to"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "tumble out of control. Whatever it is,"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "seems that it's in a straight"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "trajectory. I don't think this is ice"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "debris or space junk. It seems to happen"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "at pretty much the exact same time when"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "these boosters are attempting to reenter"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "Earth's atmosphere and then these things"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "pop up. What the heck is it, guys? I"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "want to get your thoughts in [music] the"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "comments and in this live premiere chat."}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "But take a look at this. a massive"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "sighting."}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> Uh we're looking at it right now. What"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "looks to be 1 2 3 4 [music] five"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "illuminated orbs in unison hovering in"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "the cloud line there. Brent, your"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "thoughts. Well, maybe it's foggy,"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "but it's very strange what we're looking"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "at. Oh, yes, indeed. And if I was on the"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "ground and saw this, I would pull my"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "camera out and filming it as well. Look"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "at that. They just stopped [music] in"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "unison and we look at the orbs. They're"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "very bright and just kind of [music] And"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "here we go again. They start moving."}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "This is very very strange. Some people,"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "you know, could it be a crane up there"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "that's supporting these lights? But I"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "don't see no crane up there. I just see"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "a series of illuminated spherical"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "high energy lights that are just"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "floating above the telephone wires and"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "poles over there"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "in a total vertical line as well. All"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "not"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "not diverting a distance or swaying one"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "way or the other like you said Brett."}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "Some people might say this is a crane"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "but I did a lot of enhancements here and"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "brought in brightness contrast. Let's"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "see if we can see a arm or a crane"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "moving these lights cuz they're so in"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "sync and we didn't see any indication of"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "that. So, whatever these things are,"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "they're highly intelligent in its"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "[music] design."}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "Does it have a conscious? Are these five"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "individual conscious [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "plasmic balls of light or is this um"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "some just strange UFO activity?"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "Yeah, we're not seeing any crane that's"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "holding these things up."}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": ">> You would you would see a shadow being"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "casted by these illuminated lights. So,"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "uh, whatever these things things are,"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "they're individual or maybe it's locked"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "in and it's a huge craft cloaked. Oh"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "man, weird stuff."}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "Now, more videos into third phase."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "Guess"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "it is one."}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "Former,"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "right, Let's roll this sideby-side"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "comparison. Original to the left,"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "obviously, and I blew it up about 300%"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "to get a close-up look at the"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "phenomenon. Colombia continues to baffle"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "the mind. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "airplane making a close"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "flyby to this massive UFO. It look, this"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "thing's bigger than the airplane, so you"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "could easily fit a few occupants in this"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "thing. We're getting extreme close-ups."}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "Crystal clear footage. Look at the"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "beautiful clouds behind it. The"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "contrast, the silhouetted disc birds"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "flying around, airplanes flying around."}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "You got the buildings below. This is"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "excellent stuff, Brett. Yeah, look at"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "that perspective. Great shot right"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "there. He's he's holding the camera."}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "Perfect. And he's zooming in and [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "we're seeing something that's"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "incredible. I think that commercial"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "airliner was quite some distance from"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "this object itself, but still is on the"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "same kind of flight [music] path and the"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "same trajectory and and height"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "elevation. Look at this thing [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "seemingly flying under some strange"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "weird of propulsion. And we don't see no"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "thrust, no props, none of that."}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "Yeah, but I could guarantee you one"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "thing, Brett, that pilot saw that thing."}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "That's 100% under what he's got to say."}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "He might come forward in the next day or"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "so. You're looking at new footage coming"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "in"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": ">> from Belgium. Check it out. This another"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "apparent shot down in Belgium."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": ">> UFO shootown possibility. Listen."}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "What?"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "Hey, what the does this"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "check"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "now?"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:09", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "Yeah, something very suspicious. Brent,"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "that doesn't look normal. They're"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "continuing to speak. Let's just stand by"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "and watch this. It looks like it's"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "disintegrating."}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "Yeah, it's hard to tell, Brett. Maybe"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "possible space junk. Or is this again"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "more evidence of Donald Trump's"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "directive? Yeah, it doesn't look like"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "space junk. It looks like something was"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "stationary, static up in the sky, and"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "now it just exploded and got, like he"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "said, disintegrated. And now we're just"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "seeing the debris fall. And actually,"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "actually, some parts aren't even"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "falling. They seem to be stationary and"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "hovering. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "Yeah. I don't think this is like a"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "weather balloon that reached its peak in"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "altitude and just popped and"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "disintegrated. I think we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "something that definitely exploded up"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "there. Whatever it is, [music] that's"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "the big question. Guys, what's your"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "thoughts? Let's take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "More videos of extreme weather, weird"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "phenomenon. We love extreme weather"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "phenomenon. You're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "that is interesting. Look at this shadow"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "[music] just being casted from the"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "horizon all the way up into the"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "stratosphere. What can cause that?"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "That's everybody's uh question right"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "here. It looks like a rip in the sky and"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "it's cool. It's a perfect sunset evening"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "right there. And he's he gets a pretty"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "good shot while he's driving on the"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "freeway. But look at the nice fine line"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "right there. Yeah. What could be causing"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "this direct shadow? The finger of God."}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "Who knows?"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "Yeah, you could kind of see some trails"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "that down there on the bottom, but I"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "don't think that has anything to do with"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "this straight vertical shadow that seems"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "like you you're right, Brett. Like"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "there's a rip in the sky. What? I don't"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "know what kind of thing that could cause"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "a shadow that long"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "up in the sky. That's crazy. It's so"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "geometric."}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "All right, we got something for you big"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "again in this episode. It's always good"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "to stick around till the very end. Watch"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "this activity."}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "This one coming out of Ohio."}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "The phenomenon doesn't stop. It's 24/7"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "and you're looking at it right now."}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": ">> It's disappearing again."}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "Yeah, we were sitting there. It was over"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "there first and it just disappeared as"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "soon as you guys came out and now it's"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "Whoa, it's back, guys."}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "And look at this. He thought the event"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "was over, but then it started to really"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "ramp up in activity. What a lucky guy he"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "was in Ohio."}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "What are the lights turning on and off"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "for?"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": ">> Now, let's get to the next video. Kids"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "are awesome. Posted this video within"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "hours. [music] We're sharing it to you"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "right now on Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "Two different shots."}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "The second angle. We're looking at it"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "Yep. Captured the same event in Ohio."}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "This one's a little lighter. Maybe the"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "guy had a better camera, so the lux was"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "actually brighter when he filmed this,"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "but you could you could clearly see this"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "is the same event happening in Ohio."}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "Descending orbs. You could hear their"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "reaction. Look at the similarities here."}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "Yeah, I think the other one was captured"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "just a little bit earlier in like the"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "first video that we shared. He's saying"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "like they're popping in and out. They're"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "they're just not falling flares. These"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "things are remaining up there in the sky"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "and they seem to be doing this kind of"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "display."}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": ">> It's disappearing again."}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "Yeah, we were sitting there. It was over"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "there first and it just disappeared as"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "soon as you guys came out and now it's"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "Whoa. It's back, guys."}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:04", "text": ">> Yeah, he says they came back and"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "everybody's all freaking out. You hear"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "people on the ground. They're saying,"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "\"What is this? What's going on?\""}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "Right. We got one a few more photographs"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "of more strange weather phenomenon. Take"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "a look at this one. It looks like"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "there's a massive triangle just hidden"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "in the sky. It's just the vector shape."}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "The geometry behind it. We added some"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "brightness contrast to make it pop."}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "People saw it with their own eyes. They"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "were kind of freaking out that there was"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "some kind of cloaked TR3B. Look at as we"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "add the brightness contrast. There's"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "something there or not there. Maybe it's"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "cloaked. There's new technology now that"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "they could project the underbelly of a"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "craft of what's behind it. thus creating"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "it an illusion that it is invisible"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "and uh it wouldn't surprise me if these"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "things are hiding in the clouds all the"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "time. This is an incredible photograph."}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "We got something that's crazy, too. That"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "was captured in the Pacific Ocean during"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "a strange weather storm and some radar"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "picked up this. And we just wanted to"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "share with you again these cloaked"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "massive [music] triangles,"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "states sized UFOs like these. This thing"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "is not just this thing's miles long."}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "Look how it envelops"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "within the cloud layer. Right. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "This isn't some digital artifact. We're"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "looking at like the true TR3B mother"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "ship. This thing's bigger than the whole"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "state of Hawaii. Look at that thing as"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "it just kind of could be cloaking within"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "the clouds there. And like those photos"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "you just saw, those were legit. And"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "we're looking at straight up satellite"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "radar right here. So, we're [music]"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "looking at some strange phenomenon. No"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "AI or CGI, guys. Yeah, this is coming in"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "from Noah. And I think they I don't know"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "if they had a official explanation to"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "it. I think they're kind of mums the"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "word on what really is going on in the"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "Pacific and what they captured on their"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "radar camera if I'm not mistaken. But"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "again, close to the size of Texas. This"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "thing is massive. I want some answers,"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "Noah or NASA [music] or anybody, anybody"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "official or just leave it up to Third"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "Face to bring you the best, greatest UFO"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "videos coming in from around the world."}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "What an amazing show tonight."}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "And if you've captured anything amazing,"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "submit it to us right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "of Moon. My email is in the description."}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "Upload that file to any social media and"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "copy paste it to my email. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:02", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "[music] Welcome back to Third Phase of"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "Moon. We've got crazy UFO videos. It's"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "going to be a wild night. So, strap"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "yourself in and buckle up. Take a look"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "at this incredible video of what looks"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "to be a disc"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "illuminated with lights within the craft"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "itself."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "Some people might say it's a mocked up"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "drone. [music] It might be, but it looks"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "crazy to us. That's why we're sharing it"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "with you."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Everything seems [music] to match up."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "The refractions of light. We're not"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "seeing any means of manipulation."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "[music] No AI, no CGI. What we're"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "looking at is it's something up in the"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "air. The person who shot it said he"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "thought he was looking at the movie"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "Close Encounters of the Third Kind. But"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "this wasn't no movie. 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And I I got to give him props"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "for that."}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "So, we're repeating the video. I think"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "this is the beginning of it, and this is"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "when he first noticed it. And he said"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "the the sighting lasted approximately a"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "minute and a half before he lost sight"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "of it. as it went over his head around"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "the building."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "Let's just roll it here for a second."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "All right, I'm not hearing anything"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "except a little bit of background"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "traffic, but whatever this craft is,"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "it's something unknown. Now, more videos"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "into third phase. We've got a lot of"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "them for you tonight."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "captured in Arizona,"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "Scottdale."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "The eyewitness said he noticed something"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "off in the distance. He said it looked"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "like a disc and but it was moving around"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "like a drone, but I don't think this is"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "a drone. That's anything in our assets."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "Look at this thing. The way it's"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "Look at the flight dynamics. We're going"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "to get a side byside comparison. I blew"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "up the original to the left, the"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "original to the right. You can see how"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "far this thing is off in a distance."}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "It's just [music] a good thing that the"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "sun was going down and it lum well"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "basically created a silhouette of this"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "craft. And look at the dynamics that it"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "just performed there. It stops on a"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "dime, moves, and then just glides and"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "then stops. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "Look at the acceleration right there."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "When we're talking about UFOs, this is"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "the classic case of one. That's that's"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "for sure. This is incredible. Look at"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "the display of"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "seemingly defying the laws of physics"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "here. And then it kind of just takes"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "off. Again,"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "we're not seeing any means of"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "manipulation. This is an AI. We're"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "looking at something legit. I I don't"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "know why people just say 99% of all the"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "footage here is AI. The we're dealing"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "with real eyewitnesses."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "99.9% of the videos is coming in from"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "the source, the people. Now, more"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "videos. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "Wonderful."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "Mama, how can I"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "Right, we're losing sight of it. There"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "it is. Once again, a typical metallic"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "flying disc, broad daylight. This time"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "captured in Jerusalem. This coming in"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "from the third phase moon archive. I"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "wanted to bring it back up because it is"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "one of the best clearer shots of of"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "something that's unexplained. We've got"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "a lot of new UFO videos in this episode,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "so sit tight for that. We just It feels"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "like sometimes we just got to show the"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "people that there's videos that were"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "captured. I think this one about 15 16"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "years ago submitted to us at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "that has nothing to do with AI and"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "everybody says it's just everything is"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "AI. So that's why it's so important. Our"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "our archive is vast. I think we probably"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "have over 25 30,000 videos submitted"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "that we've shared to the world right"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "here on Third Phase. Just go back. The"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "archive it's huge. But with regards to"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "this one, when we received [music] it,"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "we were pretty impressed because you"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "could hear the people on the ground."}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "It's kind of they were excited about"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "what they're seeing."}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "And again, everything [music] just seems"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "to match up perfectly. You can see the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "glints of the sun from the left just"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "kind of beaming down on this metallic"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "disc, basically remaining static. But"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "you can Let's see."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "Yeah. So you're you're seeing it rotate"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "from right to left just ever so subtle."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "Then it starts to rise and then the sun"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "behind it just kind of blinds out the"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "camera. So you kind of you can't see the"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "craft anymore."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "I'm not sure if there was more footage,"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "but this one lasted approximately 30"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "seconds or so."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "See, it was a little windy there. The"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "trees were blowing, but this thing"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "remains static. I don't think this is"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "any kind of airship or blimp."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "And then the the rotation of it gives"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "indication that this thing is a disc."}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "The way it's rotating [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "rotating right to left there,"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "you could almost make out some portals."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "I'd say it's about 25 feet in diameter."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "Once again, how consistent is that size"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "for the metallic flying saucer? It just"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "seems that's the"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "that's the prototype or that's the"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "mathematical"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "equation for these things. It's just"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "it's interesting that that's the size"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "that these disc come in. Here is another"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "crazy UFO right here."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "I think this was coming out of Colombia"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "of what looks to be a massive mother"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "ship just hovering in the sky. Let's"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "just take a look at it. It's a It's an"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "actual beautiful sighting."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "Multiple eyewitnesses, two different"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "angles of this event."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "You can see that it's a little gusty"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "that that evening, but what we're"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "looking at, it almost looks like there's"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "a ship up there in the sky. It almost"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "reminds me of the Phoenix lights. Look"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "at that one right there. It just kind of"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "faded and dissipated. That was strange."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "Going to get a little close-up. Enhance"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "We're seeing multiple lights light up."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "And in my opinion, it's lighting up on a"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "on a craft. But did you see that"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "gassaceious"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "effect where that light just kind of"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "faded out? Almost looked like a rocket"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "boost"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "kind of dissipating"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "once again. Let's roll the original."}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "Multiple eyewitnesses of the same event."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "And there it is, guys."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "It's not a helicopter, that's for sure."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "I don't think it's an advertisement"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "blimp."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "You don't see structure except the"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "lights give it that indication like"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "there is a hole of a craft there. Look"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "at the"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "sequence of lights charging up."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "Once again, a authentic UFO video"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "captured by multiple eyewitnesses."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "This is one of those videos that just"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "make you wonder what's going on. But did"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "you see that thing? It just dissipated."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "Wonder what that was."}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "Let's look at that. Once again, a little"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "closer here. No FAA lights,"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "anti-colision lights on this thing."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "You could almost make out a craft."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "There it is. It just kind of like fades"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "Two different angles of the same event"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "right there side by side."}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "Now, let's get to the latest UFO video."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "This one. I don't know, man. This is"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "scratching"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "our heads here. It's just a weird one."}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "Take a look."}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "right, let's roll that one few more"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "times. This one is still baffling us"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "right here at third phase mode. It"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "almost looks like a cross with"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "maybe props at the either tips on all"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "four tips of the end. You could almost"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "see that."}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "Is this a crazy? This is one of the"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "craziest modified drones that I've ever"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "seen. If that's what it is,"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "it's definitely flying up there under"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "control. Intelligent control, but that"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "design is just whacked if you if you ask"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "me."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "Again, notice the four tips of this"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "craft. It almost seems like there's"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "a symmetrical design on either end. and"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "maybe maybe props within it because you"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "could almost see right through the tips"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "there,"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "but the person said it made no noise."}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "So, once again, I don't know what kind"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "of drone this is, but it's freaky"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "looking."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "Actually, the person managed to get a"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "really good clean shot. I think he said"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "he had his 300 mm lens that day shooting"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "zoomed in. This thing pretty high up in"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "the sky, he stated. So, it's probably"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "maybe about 40 ft in length, maybe."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "That's a pretty big ass drone, man."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "Crazy stuff. Now, more videos in. Again,"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "this one, in my opinion, is"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "extraterrestrial in nature."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "I think he gets down on the ground to"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "stabilize his shot. He said he was a"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "little nervous. His hands were shaking"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "like a leaf. So, he kind of stabilized"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "himself on the ground and began to"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "shoot. Pretty good idea if you ask me."}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "Gets the money shot. You can see this"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "thing clean."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "I'd be nervous, too, if I saw this. I'd"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "be nervous but happy at the same time."}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "Could you imagine?"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "Getting a lot of atmospheric [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "activity around there, bugs and birds"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "flying around, and then this thing just"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "remaining steady, static in the sky."}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "Said he once again he was really nervous"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "when he saw this."}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "So yeah, some people complain about"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "shaky cameras. This guy, he actually got"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "down and dirty to get his get this shot."}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "I like it when it really clears and it"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "comes into focus. You could almost make"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "up more multiple port [music] holes"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "Look at all the activity going on. We"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "don't see any [music] means of"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "manipulation."}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "Everything matches up perfectly. The"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "lighting, the shaking,"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "the silhouette, the light, how it"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "refracts from underneath. You can kind"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "[music] of make out the structure up on"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "top. Beautiful."}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "This was the beginning of the event."}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "Let's watch it one more time before we"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "get to the next video. This is This"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "one's just kind of blowing me away. And"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "you get excited about seeing something"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "unknown like this. You imagine where"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "where are [music] they coming from? What"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "do they want? Why is it so close uh to"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "me or the person who's shooting this?"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "You you could feel the presence."}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": ">> Look at the design there."}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": ">> Maybe they're looking back at him from"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "within. It almost looks like the looked"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "like windows to me."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "Stunning video right here at Third"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "Phase."}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "You want to see more UFO videos, right?"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Well, you're in the right place. Let's"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "do it. This one, an atmospheric anomaly,"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "a"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "ball lightning releases another ball"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "lightning. I'm not exactly sure. Look at"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "this huge lenticular cloud. This orb"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "comes right out from behind"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "and then it pops something out of it as"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "this thing makes its way down. It's It's"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "almost like dropping off a pod. The"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "person who shot it was just amazed by"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "the lenticular cloud. Couldn't believe"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "what they're seeing. And then this thing"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "comes into play. And then the secondary"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "action of it dropping off a UFO dropping"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "off another UFO."}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "Stunning video"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "right behind the tree line."}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "So this is like you get your bang for"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "your buck for this video because you you"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "get the this beautiful natural"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "phenomenon of this lenticular cloud"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "raising 10,000 20 30,000 up in the sky"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "with these beautiful symmetric shapes"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "and then you get the the bonus the UFO"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "activity and then you get the triple"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "threat where it actually spits out"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "another UFO."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "Maybe it's dropping something off."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "Pretty incredible stuff as we zoom in."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "Get a good look at it. Now, more videos"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "into third phase. Let's roll it."}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "Coming out of Medeline, Columbia."}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "No, no."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "foreign."}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "Oh, I"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "right? This uh video just in the past 24"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "hours right here at thirdphase moon hot"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "off the press of what looks to be again"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "a cylindrical object rising into the"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "sky. I enhanced it to the right added"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "some brightness contrast the original"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "video to the left. You see this UFO"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "action right now and it's again a broad"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "daylight sighting. They can't explain"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "[music] what happened in Medaline,"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "Colombia. I think that's the name."}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "Definitely in Colombia"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "and this is very strange"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "again from eyewitnesses there. People"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "aren't AI. Eyewitnesses are flesh and"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "blood real people shooting with real"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "cameras. So, when people say 99% of the"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "stuff on Third Phase of Moon is AI, how"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "do you make up a real person? Can"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "somebody explain [music] that to me?"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "Anyway, back to the UFO here again. Just"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "the birds are flying by. It's so"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "authentic and the reaction is very"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "interesting. And I just [music] like the"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "way he continues to film"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "from the beginning when they witness"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "this to the very end as they lose sight"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "of it as it traverses [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "intentionally behind the building. I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "not sure. Incredible sighting out of"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "Colombia. Now, let's let's get to the"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "latest here coming out of Mexico. Hey"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "Prim,"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "right? Sometimes, right here at Third"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "Phase Moon, we save the best for last."}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "It's just not the first video. We bring"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "it to you till the very end. And that's"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "why you got to always stick around. You"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "never know what kind of breaking news is"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "going to come into third phase. And"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "sometimes we'll just put it to the back"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "of the timeline and let it roll. Every"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "UFO video is important. And this one,"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "we're looking at it right now. It could"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "be a blimp, but it's it's just"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "interesting. It seems out of place. You"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "see these lights flashing on the bottom"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "and the back end of it. it. Most people"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "consider this a blimp, and I might be"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "uh agreeing with that. Definitely, it's"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "real. It's up there in the sky. What is"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "interesting to me is that when this"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "commercial airliner just uh flies right"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "over it, that's kind of interesting."}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "Little close"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "little close between the airship and the"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "airplane if that's what it is. Or it"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "could be a massive fine saucer. In this"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "case, I really can't tell. since the"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "lights seem like they're anti-colision"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "lights, but the colors are a little off."}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "Let's see. It is strange now that I'm"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "looking at it a little closer. I'd"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "imagine that there should be more videos"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "of this craft in Mexico City. [music]"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "Millions of people live there. So, I"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "imagine maybe in the next few hours,"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "we'll be receiving more of these videos"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "coming out of Mexico City. And again, as"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "I'm looking at it, it is strange. It's"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "not like any kind of blimp that I've"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "seen."}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "It just seems weird the way it's"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "designed. Guys, do you agree? Does it"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "look strange to you,"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "man? Interesting stuff here."}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "Yeah, I got a feeling there's going to"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "be more videos [music] coming out of"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "Mexico. No doubt about it."}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "And if you've captured anything amazing,"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "submit it to us right here at Thirdphase"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "of Moon. My email is in the description."}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "Upload that file to any social media and"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "copy paste it to my email. Send it to us"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "right here at Thirdphase Moon. Keep your"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "eyes on the skies, everybody, along with"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "my brother Brent. We're not alone. We'll"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "see you [music] next time. And watch"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "more videos right now."}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:33", "text": ">> [music]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "What the freak? Yo, what is that?"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "You've got the Cousins Brothers and"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "buckle up. We've got some crazy UFO"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "videos for you. This one coming out of"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "Santa Monica."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> What the freak? Yo, what is that?"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "What the freak is that?"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Your ass making no noise. Oh my god."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "What is that? Meteor. What is that?"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "Dad, did you see that light over there?"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "It's"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> a flame."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> No. That thing was so bright. It was"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "lighting us up. You just Look, it"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "stopped moving."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": ">> Dad, that's a UFO. That's a UFO. What"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "the freak?"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> Oh, he's right."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Zoom in. Zoom in. Zoom in. Zoom in."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:53", "text": ">> Is it a drone?"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": ">> I don't know about that. That thing is"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "bright, though."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Look, it's like"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> He's right."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "We see two objects today."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> I don't know what that is."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> No, that's not."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": ">> All right, let's take a quick look at"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "this one more time. Coming out of Santa"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "Monica, California. The guy who caught"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "it wants to remain anonymous, but we"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "received the video via Gmail just"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "yesterday. Something just shot over him."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "You couldn't hear any kind of noise"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "whatsoever. You hear the reactions."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Something genuine just went down. And"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "this is a UFO in my opinion, Brent."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "Yeah, check it out. He said, \"What the"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "freak is that?\" Yeah, that's the big"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "question. What was it? It was flying"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "right overhead and was super bright and"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "like he said and like we could hear it."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "There was no sound when this was taking"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "place. And look at this closeup. It's"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "It's strange. He's trying to get in"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "focus. What is this?"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "What an incredible capture just a couple"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "days ago. I think last night, Santa"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "Monica, California. That was breaking"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "news. Now, more videos into the third"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "phase of moon. Hit that thumbs up if"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "you're joining us from around the world."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "Now, let's go right now. Something once"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "again in LA in in California, San Diego."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "A swarm of UFOs captured by multiple"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "eyewitnesses."}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "I think this happened 1 in the morning"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "last night. What is going on? This isn't"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "some kind of advertisement. Why would"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "they do that at 1 in the morning? Uh, is"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "this an invasion, Brent?"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "Yeah, what a great capture. you see this"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "kind of force of of flying UFOs just"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "kind of rising from the ground. H looks"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "like hundreds of them and it's at 1:00"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "in the morning basically. It's not like"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "some sort of advertisement. It's too"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "early for that. We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "something very strange happening over"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "San Diego. I wonder if these are UFOs"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "that are coming out of the water."}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "Good question there, Brent. And no"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "official word from the officials in San"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "Diego. I would sure like a explanation"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "for what's going on here. Now, like I"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "said, more videos, you're in the right"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "place for UFOs. Let's roll it."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> A broad daylight sighting of what some"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "people say is some of the best evidence"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "with regards to a flying disc captured"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "on video. Watch this."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "So, so this video was captured in San"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "Tropz and we're looking at it right now"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "of what looks to be an extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "craft or reverse engineered alien"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "technology vehicle. I'm not exactly sure"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "what, but it's a flying disc, the"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "classic that Bob Lazar states that he"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "worked on at S4. Are we watch are we"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "looking at one of those prototypes"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "reverse engineered from the S4 program"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "or is this an extraterrestrial craft"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "that has been around for hundreds"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "hundreds of thousands of years? I'm not"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "sure. Bob Lazar said the S4 flying"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "saucer was recovered in an expedition"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "and retrieved from the under underwater."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "What's going on here, Brent? This is"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "insane footage here. Yeah, the guy"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "actually managed to catch a couple"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "stills and we're going to be sharing"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "that, too. And like he said, kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "dubbed the the sports model. This is"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "exactly what Bob Lazar has been talking"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "about. Look at it. So far off in the"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "distance as it goes away. What a good"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "capture right here. We're going to play"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "it again and we're going to show you"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "some of the stills that really showcase"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "what this UFO looks like. Keep watching."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "Here's a photos from his Nikon and we're"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "enhancing the photo right here. There it"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "is. Look at this. Let's get a closeup of"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "this thing. Look at the smooth lines. We"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "don't see no rivets, no bolts. This"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "looks like it's a one piece mold."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "Man, this is giving me uh goosebumps"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "right here. Look at the detail coming"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "off this thing."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "Are we looking at something"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "extraterrestrial in nature?"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "Wow. No means of any kind of mechanism"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "to allow this thing to fly in the sky,"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "but we're looking at the detail in that"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "incredible photograph."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "San Tropz is a hot spot for UFOs. And uh"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "we're looking at it uh once again right"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "now. Some people say, \"Why don't they"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "film it till the very end?\" Well, we"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "showed it to you. It was way way up in"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "the sky. basically lost distance, uh,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "lost eyesight from it. Look at as it"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "just kind of drifts away. But this thing"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "isn't no balloon."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "What an incredible capture. Now, let's"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "get some more UFO videos into third"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "phase. Uh, buckle up, everybody. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "going to be a wild ride. Take a look at"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "this. All"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "right, let's look at this again. I I uh"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "put some speed on this video just so you"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "could see the flight dynamics. Now I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "slowing it down, but you saw this thing"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "just whipping through the sky, taking"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "turns and angles with effortless"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "uh motion on it. It just seemed"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "like it's better than any kind of aerial"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "craft that we have. The dynamics of this"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "flight pattern. But right now, I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "getting an extreme closeup. I slowed it"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "down. It's hard to make out the detail."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "But when we watch this once again in"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "real time, just notice its flight"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "characteristics. It's quite amazing. And"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "we're not seeing any means of"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "manipulation. We believe what we're"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "looking at is 100% authentic video"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "submitted to us right here at Third"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "Phase. I mean, look at this extreme"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "close-up. It almost looks like like a"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "top hat."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "You see a little bit of gleam coming off"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "of it. Like seems like it's a metallic"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "surface. No doubt about it. Brent, your"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "Yeah, take a look at this. This is a"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "pretty high class UFO here. We're"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "getting a good closeup."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "And it's dynamic. Look as it takes this"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "bank right here. Look at this. There's"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "the GeForce. You can see it from go from"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "left to right at this nice speed."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "Yeah. Keeping track of this thing. Kind"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "of just keeping it dead center. We're"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "zoomed up probably about 100%."}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "And as you see it fly away."}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "All right, the original video to the"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "lower left and I added some brightness"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "contrast. This time we're seeing this"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "thing in action here as it takes a"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "radical right turn and then drifts and"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "takes a left turn and then again right."}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "Wow. Incredible."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "Yeah. Did he see that? That was rather"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "dynamic. It's doing these zigzag"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "emotions at some incredible GeForce"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "level here."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "That's right, Brandt. I wonder who the"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "pilot is. That's uh my question because"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "it would almost be impossible to be an"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "operator at this kind of speed and"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "taking those kind of banks."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "Guys, I want to ask you, would you take"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "a ride on this craft?"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "Look at this thing one more time before"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "we get to the next video. This is just"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "insane. The capabilities of these UFOs."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "Look at that."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "No manipulation. Straight up 100%"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "authentic UFO videos coming into Third"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "Phase of Moon. And uh like I said,"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "buckle up because if you were in one of"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "these things, you would be going for a"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "ride of your life. Insane. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "All right, we've got more videos coming"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "in. Let's get busy, guys."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "Behold the phenomenon right now. Take a"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "look at this."}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "Hey, hey, hey."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "All right. Incredible footage. He's out"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "there with a friend walking his dogs and"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "then they see this bright orb come into"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "view. You see this uh chimney stack"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "there to the left to get some"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "comparison. Is this a natural"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "phenomenon? Look at this plasmic orb"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "light up."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "And it seems that it touches down and"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "lands. Let's watch this closely here"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "once again. It's illuminated on the"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "ground. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "Casting a light down. This orb descends."}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "I'd imagine it's about maybe 20 ft in"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "diameter. I wouldn't want to be too"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "close to this thing. A charged cluster"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "could mess you up if you're too close."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "But look, it actually seems that it"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "touches the ground there, makes landing."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "The dogs are kind of freaking out. He"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "turns back"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "and then we're going to watch it one"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "more time. This is incredible. Is this"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "natural brain or is this something else?"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "Something otherworldly."}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "Yeah, indeed. This is strange. Look at"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "that. He's got a clear. He's trying to"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "get it in focus. He He knows there's an"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "event going on and he's pulling his"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "camera out and there he goes. as it gets"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "to focus. And look, this thing pretty"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "much makes a touchdown right on the"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "ground there. Look at this. It looks"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "almost like some sort of ball lightning."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "Some sort of plasmic ball of energy."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "Some people call plasmoids. Look at this"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "thing. It's illuminated. This thing's"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "about 20 30 feet in length. It's a huge"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "biolumis bioluminescent sphere here."}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "This is amazing. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "People"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "will say it's AI, but I could tell you"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "I'd lay my money down. If anybody wants"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "to take a bet, I'll take it. That we're"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "what we're looking at is 100% no AI"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "included."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "We're looking at something very"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "authentic. Everything seems to match up."}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "The optical"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "lens, the way it just blurred and you"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "can see the spheres all blend in"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "together. The optics match up properly."}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "And what what we're looking at is quite"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "insane. Again, the the illumination"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "coming off this 30ft diameter field of"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "energy casting light down onto the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "ground. It it touches the surface."}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "One of the best sphere videos that I've"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "seen in quite some time. And uh these"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "guys were lucky enough to capture it on"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "on film here."}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "I'm I'm I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "digging the way just struggle to capture"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "the shot, but then he manages to focus"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "crystal clean and then he he gets a good"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "zoom in and we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "that's unexplained. Maybe it just kind"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "of fizzled out when it touched the"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "surface there."}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "Or maybe it's an interdimensional kind"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "of craft. I'm not exactly sure, but"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "whatever it is, those dogs are seemingly"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "kind of freaked out about the whole"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "thing. Maybe they could sense the energy"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "from it. What's your guys' thoughts? Are"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "animals sensitives to the UFO"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "phenomenon?"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "What a shot. Now, more videos into third"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "phase of moon."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "Let's roll it, guys. Take a look."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "right. This was captured between"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "Carl'sbad and San Diego, right off the"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "coast of California. And we're looking"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "at a discshaped object just hovering out"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "there at a distance, silhouetted,"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "backlit by the the light behind it. And"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "it is crystal clear that this is not any"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "kind of airship. We're not seeing any"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "gondola tail on it. We're just seeing"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "the typical classic cigar- shaped UFO"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "captured in broad daylight. It's almost"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "the size of that boat there, but I would"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "assume it's a little off a little bit"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "more off in the distance. Those guys"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "over there must be freaking out. The"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "captain of that is that a catamaran"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "or some kind of ship. Look at the size"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "of this thing. What an incredible"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "comparison right there. This thing's got"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "to be at least 50 to 100 feet in length,"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "Brent. Yeah, good. spot on on that"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "length right there. This thing, it's"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "incredible. San Diego, it's just a hot"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "spot for UFOs. And I what what would be"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "a blimp being flying out so far off in"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "the distance over the Pacific Ocean"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "there? I don't think so. What we're"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "looking at is, in my opinion, a probably"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "a USO that came out of the water and"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "it's showcasing itself right now. These"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "are the kind of videos that we're so"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "excited to share. And I bet these are"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "the kind of things that Fraver and these"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "uh Navy pilots are chasing in the Air"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "Force. They're chasing these UFOs out"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "over San Diego and in that area. There"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "seems to be some sort of like maybe a"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "possible underwater base. And this might"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "be some sort of evidence of a UFO, a"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "scout ship just showing itself. This is"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "amazing. This thing's massive."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "Yeah, possibly some kind of trans medium"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "craft. No doubt about it, Brian."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "I just love the side by side comparison"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "there with the boat and this unknown"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "craft. It just just sitting out there."}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "And uh I wouldn't be surprised, Brent,"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "that there might be something to do with"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "the Pacific Ocean because it's so vast."}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "You could hide hundreds of civilizations"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "underneath the Pacific Ocean. Cities"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "right there"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "next to San Clemente Island. Look at the"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "underwater topography there. It's quite"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "interesting. I imagine there's caves and"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "caverns,"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "underwater mountains that you could"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "easily hide a underground base there."}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "Underwater base. And we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "something that still has yet to be"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "explained."}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "Legitimate footage once again."}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "We could pretty much rule out AI on 99%"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "99% of the videos we share with you at"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "Third Phase Moon. Nobody's perfect, but"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "we try our best. We enhance. We go"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "through these videos videos thoroughly"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "to make sure that we're not sharing with"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "you any kind of AI. We're we're looking"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "for authentic footage of real people"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "that shot real UFOs. And we're looking"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "at one right now."}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "Guys, do you uh think that the Pacific"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "Ocean could harbor civilizations"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "extraterrestrial in nature? Or maybe"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "they'd been here all along. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "sure. But this one is pretty interesting"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "right here. Now, more videos into third"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "phase of moon. Let's take a look at this"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "one."}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "The strangeness right here. a spiked"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "UFO, jagged in nature, hovering there"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "above the power lines."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "It's not being shy. It's not trying to"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "hide. It's saying that, \"Look at me."}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "Look how scary I look.\" I don't know. It"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "just seems a little intimidating. This"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "jagged UFO,"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "it's almost like a jack. You know those"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "Chinese jacks or I'm not exactly sure"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "what kind of toy it is, but man, this"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "thing's weird. Yeah, I remember exactly"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "what you're talking about. We had them"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "on our kids. They're like jacks and you"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "could like spin them around and they had"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "kind of these these spiked edges to it"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "too as it rotates. And this is kind of"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "exactly what it looks like. Look at it"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "just hovering. It's not like blowing in"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "the wind. It seems to be kind of"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "interested and maybe the power source of"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "these lines. I'm not sure. But look at"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "Yeah. No oscillation. This thing's not"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "rotating. And it's perfectly centered in"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "balance. Look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "It's not wavering. It's not oscillating."}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "It's not a balloon. It's not a drone."}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "It looks almost biological. The"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "biologics possibly."}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "Again, we don't know what it is. That's"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "why we call them UFOs. If we knew what"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "it was, we wouldn't be sharing it with"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "you. We're sharing with you what we"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "don't know. The the unknown,"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "the unfamiliar to the eye. And right"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "now, this is definitely unfamiliar. And"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "if you saw this,"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "you'd be freaking out. I imagine you'd"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "be uh filming it and submitting it to"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "Third Phase of Moon. And right now, we"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "once again, we don't have an explanation"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "except that we could describe it as a"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "jagged UFO with un with characteristics"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "that don't match up with any kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "vehicle that could fly in our opinion."}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "Yeah, this one's pretty wild. Again,"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "there's If you want to go see AI slob,"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "go check out Instagram and Tik Tok."}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "That's where you're going to see it. But"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "if you want to see authentic UFOs,"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "you're you're here at the right place at"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "third phase."}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "Absolutely. Well said there, Brand. Now,"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "more videos into Thirdphase Moon. Take a"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "look. Take a look at this. This one"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "lasts for quite some time."}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "A person was out there trying to make"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "contact doing the C5 protocol and within"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "moments this event happened and it"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "started to communicate with the person"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "on the ground. Look at the size of this"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "orb that came to pay a visit."}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "It's illuminating the clouds beneath it."}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "That's very cool."}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "Yeah, that's right, Brett. Right here at"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "Thirdphase Moon, we kind of stay out of"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "the politics. There's a lot of drama in"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "the field, people talking smack about"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "one each other, what's going on in DC, a"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "bunch of UFO factions. We're here at"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "Thirdphase Moon just wanting to share"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "you the evidence. We want to stay out of"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "the politics. We want to bring forth the"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "phenomenon. Look at this thing. The"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "phenomenon hiding in the clouds, peering"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "in and out, and then appears one more"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "time. This thing is massive and the"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "luminosity coming off of it is very"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "impressive."}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "Yeah, it kind of reminds me of Chris"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "Bledso's work. He the way he captures"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "these orbs. And here's a clear example"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "of something very strange. It's looks"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "like something in the stratosphere. This"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "thing's massive and it's like"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "highlighting the clouds. This is like"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "some sort of bright illuminated orb of"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "some sort. Again, let's watch this one"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "more time as it uh as we take a look at"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "the phenomenon. This is incredible."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "Also, like you said, well said about"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "Yeah, you're here at Third Phase. We're"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "not into the soap opera of drama and all"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "the this uh you know, back talk about"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "what's going on with so and so. We're"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "just here for the information coming in"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "from the public and sharing it as fast"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "and furious as we can to get it out to"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "you. Yeah. I don't think they want Third"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "Phase Moon to become a podcast and start"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "to, you know, just talk talk talk talk"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "interview and interview without"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "evidence."}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "You guys want to see the UFOs and I"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "think that's what Third Phase of Moon's"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "all about. That's what we've been doing"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "here for about 18 years."}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "And uh again, we're looking at something"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "quite interesting, especially when"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "you're out there trying to make contact"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "and then this appears before you. In my"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "opinion, it's possible."}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "We've seen it. We've been in on C5"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "expeditions for a couple weeks in the"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "desert with Dr. Greer at one time. Let"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "let me tell you, it's quite brutal. It's"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "getting down to 27°"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "almost freezing out there. It was"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "freezing basically. It was almost"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "snowing on us and uh it was tough, but"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "we did see phenomenon. If you're"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "interested in what we captured and the"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "team captured the expedition, you might"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "want to check out the documentary C5,"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "the new frontier of contact. It's"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "available right now. But once again,"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "we're looking at something that has"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "appeared before a person and it said,"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "\"Hey, look at me. I'm here.\" Now, let's"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "get some more videos into third phase of"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "moon. Forget the interviews, forget the"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "podcast. We're here to share with you"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "the evidence. So, let's get to it."}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "Another broad daylight sighting of"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "something ominous."}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "Maybe a weaponized UFO. I'm not exactly"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "sure, but take a look at this. It's"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "very, very strange."}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "It almost looks like a rocket, but"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "rockets just don't hover in place unless"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "it's a"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "starship, but I don't believe this is"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "any kind of Starship Elon Musk has in"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "his possession. There's no exhaust"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "coming off this thing."}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "And it almost just looks like it just"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "paused and it it continues to surge."}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "It's almost like a heat sinking missile"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "with anti-grab properties."}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "Yeah, look at this. This thing's wicked."}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "It does look a missileike. Look how it"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "turns. It looks like it's trying to find"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "a target as it goes behind the trees"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "there. Look at this. Look at the"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "rotation right here. It does this bank"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "and then kind of pauses and says, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "I'm scanning the area.\" And it kind of"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "disappears behind the sun, which is"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "interesting. Here's a good closeup. Look"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "at this."}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "Yeah. Not it didn't disappear behind the"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "sun, but the sun just kind of"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "just with its luminance just kind of hit"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "it and shielded it. But look at these"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "cloud formations that my brother and I"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "captured in the big island of Hawaii not"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "too long ago of what looks to be some"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "kind of massive portal um opening up. It"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "was something to behold. It actually"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "made the news statewide when we shared"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "uh the video and the photographs and"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "this thing remained up there. It was"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "crazy. Approximately for 14 hours, this"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "this cloud lenticular cloud that's what"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "we think it is. It was very intimidating"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "was actually staying in formation for"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "approximately 14 hours. Here's the video"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "from a little earlier. And we uh we got"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "there to get the money shot because we"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "knew the sun was going to go down and it"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "was going to highlight it perfectly."}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "Such it was such a beautiful experience"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "to see this."}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "Yeah, our big island just had a pretty"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "massive hurricane near uh it was pretty"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "much a hit, you could say, but it missed"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "the island South Point by about 35"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "miles. But wow, the damage was uh pretty"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "extensive. And yeah, we're going to be"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "going back home for a little bit, take"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "care of some things and family. But look"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "at this. This people are saying this"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "reminded them of the Turkey incident"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "where there's a video just like this and"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "then a massive uh earthquake just"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "happened. And uh yeah, that wasn't the"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "case here, but this was just a strange"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "phenomenon that we're looking straight"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "into the heart of the beast, right into"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "the eye of this massive uh lenticular"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "cloud that basically looked like a"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "mother ship to us when it's all said and"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "done. And when the sun set, it created"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "this massive uh beautiful uh stunning"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "picture right here. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "Yeah, it was approximately I think 10"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "miles in diameter. It was massive."}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "We didn't know what to expect. We might"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "have We were thinking maybe some UFOs"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "were going to come out of this thing."}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "Maybe there is a UFO hidden within it"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "because what cloud stays in the exact"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "same position for 14 hours? You tell me."}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "It's almost like the movie. Nope."}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "But yes, Brent, we uh the big island,"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "we're giving our best wishes to"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "everybody on the south part of the Big"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "Island. Na Alleu Caou, you guys really"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "got hit and uh we're just there a couple"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "months ago enjoying uh the area in South"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "Point and Nleu really got slammed and"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "the floods and a lot of houses were"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "taken out and the roads were devastated."}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "And it's going to be a little while"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "before they recover over there. But we"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "just wanted to show you a little bit of"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "the Big Island and this cloud formation."}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "Like you said, Brent, there was a a"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "video that came out of Turkey that was"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "very similar. I think they called it"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "like the hand of God. But what we're"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "looking at here is definitely once in"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "a-lifetime capture. This was a little"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "earlier before the sun went down. We"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "noticed Oh, this is right after the sun"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "went down. That's right, Brent. And uh"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "we got some a little bit more video. So"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "again,"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "it never hurts to look up in the sky and"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "uh have your cameras ready because you"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "never know when the phenomenon's going"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "to hit."}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "And we like weather phenomenon. It's not"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "all about UFOs, but you know, when you"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "when you see things like this, and"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "here's another earlier uh capture again"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "like hours before we noticed it. It made"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "it on KHL news statewide. Incredible"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "stuff coming in. And if you've captured"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "anything amazing, submit it to us right"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "here at Thirdphase of Moon. My email is"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "in the description. Upload that file to"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "any social media and copy paste it to my"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "email. Send it to us right here at"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "Thirdphase Moon. Keep your eyes on the"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "skies, everybody, along with my brother"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "Brent. We're not alone. We'll see you"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "next time. And watch more videos right"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "Heat."}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "Heat."}]

[{"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "Welcome back to Third Phase of Moon."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "You've got Blake and Brent Cousins, and"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "we've got crazy UFO videos for you"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "tonight. Machu Picchu, something was"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "spotted. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "People on the ground in shock."}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "This broad daylight sighting at Machu"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Picchu has just made the presence on the"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "internet. And we're looking at it. We're"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "going to get some extreme close-ups."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "What are we looking at?"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "It appears to be a cigar- shaped craft"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "just hovering off in the valleys above"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "the ancient city known as Machu Picchu."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "What an incredible catch on that day."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "The people were up there enjoying"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "themselves. The girls pointing and says,"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "\"Look.\" And people begin to shoot their"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "cameras in that direction."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "And if you look closely, we're seeing"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "something."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "At first, when I received the video, I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "like, \"Okay, where is the phenomenon?"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "I'm not seeing it.\" But then after we do"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "some enhancements and blow it up about"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "300%, we notice this object here."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "Once again, this is interesting. It's"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "not a drone."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "It's up there in elevation, too. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "I'm just uh making it out. The thing's"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "about maybe 100 ft in length at least."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "I've never been to Machu Picchu. Anybody"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "in this live premiere been there? Should"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "Third Phase Moon do an expedition?"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "See what's going on over there at Machu"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "Picchu?"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "Is this a lineup of birds? I'm looking"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "at it. It's just too stable. I don't"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "think so."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "Off at a distance, though. But I'm not"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "seeing any means of manipulation. What"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "we're looking at is legitimate footage."}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "Let's get that extreme closeup. The"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "person just goes right by the camera."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "The person zooms in. We're getting a"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "good enhanced zoom in right here."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "It's a UFO, guys. That's for sure. And"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "uh we're not looking at anything that's"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "explained at this moment. That's why"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "we're sharing it with you right here at"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "Third Phase. We've got a ton of UFO"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "videos in this episode, but before we"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "get to it, I want to get your thoughts."}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "What just happened? What are we looking"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "at? What's your speculation of uh this"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "insane"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "broad daylight UFO sighting coming in"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "from Machu Picchu? Now, let's get to the"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "next video. This was shot in the"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "Philippines. Take a look at this."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "We'll zoom in and contrast his footage"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "just after we watch this raw video."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "Y camera mocha"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "ayan"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "Iloh"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "camera."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "Oh no."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "Third"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "phase."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "Third"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "phase."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "Third"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "phase."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "All right. It was a little hard to see,"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "but after we added some enhancement,"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "zoomed it in about 600%, added some"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "brightness contrast,"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "now we see what the girl was witnessing"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "with her own eyes. The phone was so far"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "away, but look at this thing."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "Sometimes when you receive these videos,"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "you just got to do the enhancement, put"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "the little extra work in as we do right"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "here at Third Phase of Moon to showcase"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "what the witness is looking at. And as"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "we're looking at this thing up close,"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "you almost can see something rotating"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "right there at the upper portion."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "goes in and out of focus, but whatever"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "we're looking at, it's unexplained. And"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "you could hear it in her voice. I don't"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "speak Filipino, but I I could understand"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "some of the words that"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "she didn't understand what she was"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "looking at. She was amazed."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "The video lasted for just a little bit,"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "and that was kind of cool. probably"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "approximately a one minute sighting. I"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "don't think there's any means of"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "manipulation here. And look at that the"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "rotation right there. You see that a"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "working mechanism."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "Very strange. That was"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "after the enhancement. That really"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "popped. Look at that rotation there."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "What's going on?"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "Some kind of machine possibly, but is it"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "one of ours is the big question."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "Now, more videos into third phase. Take"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "a look at these photographs that have"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "made our way into our Gmail. We received"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "these some time ago, but we wanted to"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "pull them up. The person on the ground"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "said that they saw this cigar-shaped"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "craft just hovering above the sky. I"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "think this was in Scottsdale, Arizona,"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "if I recall correctly. and he said this"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "object just was hanging there."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "He was out there with his Nikon camera,"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "kind of an older version that wasn't"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "shoot that didn't have well said he was"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "shooting it on 35 mm. So these are the"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "stills that we received high-res images"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "of what looks to be a stainless steel"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "cylindrical object. He said the thing"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "was massive."}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "You know, you can't really fake 35 mm"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "when it's on the negative, which it was."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "Then you know the object is in the sky."}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "So, the question is, what is it?"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "I like the way you see the gleam of"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "light under the underbelly of this"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "cylindrical object. Cigar- shaped UFO."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Multiple pictures, clean high-res"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "photographic imagery coming in here."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "The sun setting and then it just kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "lights up the underbelly, makes it"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "almost like a silhouette, but you get to"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "see still the colors off this craft. And"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "it definitely looks metallic to us."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "Man, I wish he did have a video camera."}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "If this lasted for 50 minutes, he would"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "have had the smoking gun video. But"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "these photographs are very impressive."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "No means of manipulation. What we're"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "looking at is legitimate. Is that a bird"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "there to the left flying by?"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "Look at the sheen coming off this thing."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "Guys, I want to get your thoughts with"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "regards to these photos. Now, more"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "videos into the third phase of moon."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "Buckle up. Let's get to it."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "Right, let's pull this video up from the"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "Third Phase Moon archives submitted to"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "us approximately 10 years ago captured"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "in Texas. The eyewitnesses said that he"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "noticed an object in the sky the size of"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "a building. So, he was stating that this"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "thing was at least 15 stories tall. So"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "that's making it approximately 150 to"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "175 ft in length. And we're looking at"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "something incredible here."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "Again, uh this again 10 to 10 to 12"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "years ago, the submission. So this was"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "way before AI. This video was coming in"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "through a second generation. I guess he"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "filmed his laptop screen when he"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "submitted uh this video. That's why"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "you're kind of seeing the lines. We"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "never received the original file. We"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "received a file of the man recording his"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "screen and what he captured in Texas. He"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "still can't explain, but he said it was"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "the size of a building. We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "this thing. It's getting kind of clear"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "right there in extreme slowed down"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "video. This is it in real time."}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "Well, I think I actually sped the"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "footage up. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "to see the rotation. I think the video"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "lasted for about maybe two minutes if I"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "don't if I recall correctly and I I just"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "fast forwarded just so you can see the"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "motion as it kind of pivots like a"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "turntable."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "You can almost make out port holes"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "within this craft"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "like almost right up the front there. Is"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "that like the command station lookout"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "point and the portal on the sides there."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "Super clean shot coming in getting in"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "focus. Looking good."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "He said the thing made no sound"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "whatsoever. He was just out there"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "walking his dog. His dog started to bark"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "and then he kind of was noticing that"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "the dog was kind of looking up in the"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "air. He told us, caught his attention."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "So he began to look in the air and then"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "he saw this buildingized UFO just"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "hovering above him."}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "Said it's approximate approximately"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "about maybe 1,500 ft"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "in elevation. And he said, he just keep"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "describing it is it was the size of a"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "building."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "Man, we need to get around in one of"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "those things. Imagine that. Anti-grav"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "size of a building. That'd be pretty"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "comfortable transport from one from one"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "place to another. Get rid of the"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "airplanes. You know what I mean, guys?"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "Take a look at this. Look at how it just"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "rotates there. Incredible footage coming"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "in to Thirdphase Moon. If you're"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "enjoying this live premiere,"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "you know what to do. Hit that thumbs up."}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "We're broadcasting from the Hollywood"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "Hills. Take a look at this video coming"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "in. Broad daylight sighting of another"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "cigar- shaped UFO craft. This one goes"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "on for a while. Kick back. Enjoy."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "All right, we're continuing to roll the"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "original to the bottom portion left of"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "the screen. And I blew it up probably"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "about I don't know 700% to get an"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "extreme closeup of this cigar- shaped"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "craft on this little tilt axis. The way"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "it's flight pattern that would be"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "impossible if it this were a balloon."}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "Look at this."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "It's slightly rotating."}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "All right, let's roll the original"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "again."}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "I love it with the clouds behind it. It"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "really gives contrast to the object."}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "An amazing sighting right here."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "So, when I did the enhancements to get a"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "closer look, that's what really got me"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "excited because you could see"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "its flight characteristics. And again,"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "it's that classic cigar- shaped craft,"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "but it's metallic. You could kind of see"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "a sheen coming in from the top as the"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "sun bears light down on it."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "And then it stays on that tilt axis"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "and then slightly just rotates like a"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "really smooth gyroscope."}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "Totally under control. Not just like a"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "random balloon just blowing off. This"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "thing has a mission. There's"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "intelligence behind it. Could it be"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "manned or unmanned? I couldn't tell you."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "Hard to exactly make out the size of"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "this thing, but it is off at a distance."}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "It could be, I don't know, maybe 20 ft"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "in length or maybe up to 200 feet in"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "length. It's hard to actually be sure,"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "but with the enhancements, I'm speeding"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "up the film here so we could get a good"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "look at its flight characteristics."}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "Sometimes when you speed up film, you"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "could actually see if there's an"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "undulation or if the characteristics of"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "like a solid rigid structure of flight."}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "It's interesting to do that. And it"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "looks it looks pretty dynamic and it's"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "not oscillating. Now, let's get to this."}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "The ISS,"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "this is coming in from NASA. It's not"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "AI. It's real. if you believe NASA."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "Anyway, I don't know if I trust them,"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "but take a look at this video. It lasted"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "for approximately I think about 15"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "minutes. So, we just had the camera"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "roll. I got the screen grab, recorded"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "the screen, and just let it run for"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "about 15 minutes. Then I sped it up down"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "to about maybe 20 seconds. And you're"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "seeing it right there. It appears to be"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "a disc approaching the ISS with portals."}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "I added some brightness contrast so you"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "can see this"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "and then it just kind of slowly fades"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "away. Again, this event lasted for about"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "15 minutes. I sped up the film"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "to about maybe 15 seconds in length so"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "we could see this huge craft approach"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "the ISS, park itself there, observe it,"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "and then slowly descend away. Does NASA"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "have a answer for this?"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "Look at the size of that thing"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "and the way the portals just light up in"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "kind of a sequence and then they kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "dim out in a sequence."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "The original to the left portion of the"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "screen where you could kind of see the"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "exact same image. It's dark. You would"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "almost never seen it. But once again,"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "after the brightness, contrast, the work"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "that we do here at Thirdphase Moon, we"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "want to highlight the UFO, and that's"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "what we're doing. I'm once again"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "speeding it up. But look how dark it is."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "You would have had to had a keen eye to"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "notice this. And I think this came in to"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "one of our submitters. They're saying,"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "\"Look, there's a UFO right next to the"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "ISS. It's live right now.\" So, we went"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "to NASA ISS live space station feed and"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "there it was. So, we started to record"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "And we captured something incredible"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "I don't know about I think NASA has a"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "delay on the NASA ISS feed now."}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "Approximately maybe up to a minute. They"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "they want to scrub things like this."}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "They don't want us to see this kind of"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "stuff. But we got it right here at Third"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "Phase Moon. They couldn't hide it from"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "you. Now more videos into third phase."}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "Let's roll it, guys."}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "All right. What was captured in Shangdu,"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "China is beyond me, but we're sharing it"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "with you right here at Thirdphase Moon."}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "And we're going to get some close-ups on"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "This almost resembles last night's"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "episode right here on Thirdphase Moon."}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "Go check it out. It's very similar, but"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "this time in China, and we're getting an"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "extreme closeup. And look at this."}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "There's another object that's"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "just hanging around this other object. I"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "can't even describe what we're looking"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "at here. It's definitely strange."}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "Is it a UAP or a UFO? I'm I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "call it a UFO, guys. I love the way the"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "birds fly by. I don't think there's any"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "means of manipulation. We're looking at"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "something legitimate. this accompanying"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "UFO just adjacent there to the left"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "bottom portion."}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "It's curious. It's almost like a"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "It's sending out a scout or the scout"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "ship came back and parked itself here."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "Now that I'm looking at it, they look"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "like there are multiple pods on this"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "craft."}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "I could it be parking on this thing?"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "Is this like a parking depot up in the"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "sky for UFOs and it's attaching it to"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "itself? It looks like there could be"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "maybe a dozen more of these things that"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "are attached to this I don't know"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "cylindrical shaped vertical object here"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "just hanging in the sky above China. I"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "got a feeling more videos are going to"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "be coming in. But I think this is kind"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "of the first time I've ever seen a UFO"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "park itself on another UFO. Like this is"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "the mother ship here."}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "See, as I you notice that, right? They"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "seem like they're multiple objects just"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "clinging on this thing."}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "Wow. Incredible stuff coming in. More"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "videos into third phase."}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "All"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "right. What a beautiful windy day. The"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "windmills are blowing, but then then"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "this guy manages to capture"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "something unbelievable. You saw it there"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "to the right, and then it just kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "like turned around and went in the"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "opposite direction."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "not feeding into the windmills, not"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "being blown into it. No, this is on a"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "straight beline somewhere. And I like it"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "the way it just like"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "just disappears behind that grassy"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "hillside there. Beautiful blue skies,"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "broad daylight siding. Look at off in"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "the distance there. And then it just"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "turns around,"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "changes directions, and moves at a"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "pretty steady pace. And then it almost"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "become becomes transparent. Almost like"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "it it almost looks like a meteor. Like"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "there's a little tail behind it at one"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "point."}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "Let's get a close-up look again. There"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "it is."}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "Turns around. Is it avoiding the blades"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "of the windmill?"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "But this is where it kind of gets"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "interesting. And it almost looks like a"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "meteor"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "entering our atmosphere. And it's just"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "about to burn out. Look at that."}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "He pulls out, gets the perspective. I"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "wish he pull Does he pull in again?"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "Yeah, there he goes. Just in the nick of"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "time to go behind the mountain side. It"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "gives some scale there."}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "Whatever it is, it's pretty big. I'd say"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "it's at least a quarter mile, maybe half"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "a mile away from them."}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "I don't see any structure on this thing."}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "Is it energy?"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "Very curious."}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "And look at the perspective on how far"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "he is away."}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "It's almost wispy"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "like it could be a biologic."}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "I don't see any structures. It's not a"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "drone."}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "It's not AI."}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "Wow. All right, guys. You want to see"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "UFOs, right? Well, you've seen a few,"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "but we're not done with this episode"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "yet. Hang on. Keep your buckle tight."}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "Let's go."}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "All right, the video is continuing. It"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "lasts for quite some time. There was no"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "cuts. I just pushed the original to the"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "left and I zoomed up the UFO to the"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "right. Getting a super closeup. I think"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "I zoomed in about 1,000%. It's hard to"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "tell what it is, but what's going on in"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "the Himalayas?"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "It's a pretty cool steady shot, and I"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "like the way it lasts for some time."}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "Just traversing right along. Not really"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "changing in altitude. Staying on a"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "consistent line."}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "It's illuminated."}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "We don't see any tether on this thing."}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "Is it some kind of orb? I don't know,"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "guys. Lot of crazy UFO videos in this"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "episode. I'm glad we just shared the"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "entire length of that one, man. And it"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "just kind of fades out into nothing. It"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "went into the clouds. Wow. Awesome stuff"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "here. And if you've captured anything"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "amazing, submit it to us right here at"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "Third Phase of Moon. My email is in the"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "description. Upload that file to any"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "social media and copy paste it to my"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "email. Send it to us right here at"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "Thirdphase Moon. Keep your eyes on the"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "skies everybody along with my brother"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "Brent. We're not alone. We'll see you"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "next time. And watch more UFO videos"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "Heat. Heat. N."}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "Heat. Heat. N."}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "Heat. Heat."}]

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It's that"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "people who have never met and live"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "thousands of miles apart have been"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "describing the same thing for decades."}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "In this episode, we'll investigate what"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "those officers filmed and the terrifying"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "encounters suggesting they're already"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "among us. You won't want to miss this"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "one. 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This alone was"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "strange, but what happened when the"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "officers tried to get a better look is"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "the entire reason why this footage would"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "wind up all over Colombian social media"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "within days. This episode is sponsored"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "by Beam. If you ever crawl into bed"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "completely exhausted only for your brain"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "to decide that it's the perfect time to"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "replay the entire day, you know how"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "frustrating sleep can be. 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And for a moment,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "they both stood there in the empty"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "street. Their phones were still aimed up"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "at the now empty alley. A lot of people"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "believe that what was recorded shows a"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "ghost or some kind of shadow figure, but"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "others believe that it's an optical"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "illusion or possibly a trick of the"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "light or, you know, maybe a lens"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "malfunction. But, if any of those were"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "true, then how did it fool two trained"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "police officers who were standing there"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "in person? And it was still visible when"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "both men aimed two separate [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "phones at it and zoomed in. Whatever the"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "explanation was, the national police of"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "Colombia never offered one and there was"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "no official statement given, no comment,"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "really nothing that explained what they"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "had recorded. Unfortunately, whatever"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "Marco and the other officer captured on"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "footage remains inconclusive. Around"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "1986, a 5-year-old boy named Steven"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "Painter walked into the kitchen of a"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "house on a housing estate in Bury,"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Greater Manchester, and immediately"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "thought that somebody had broken in. And"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "that's because there were huge dark"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "handprints and it covered almost every"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "surface around him. 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But, everywhere"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "Steven looked, he could see the prints"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "covering the walls and the cabinets and"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "the doors and these were not smudges"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "where somebody had clearly, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "brushed a dirty hand against something."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "These were full, distinct, oversized"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "prints that almost kind of had an"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "animal-like quality to them. And to"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "Steven, they didn't look like they'd"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "been made by human hands. 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[music] And there was one more"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "thing that made that childhood"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "experience really hard to dismiss. 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Now, as the"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "years passed, the handprints stopped,"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "but the dark shapes kept appearing. And"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "sometimes,"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": ">> Steven would see a huge dark mass with"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "these glowing red eyes just standing in"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "his doorway. And farther behind was a"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "taller figure wearing what looked like a"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "wide-brimmed hat. That taller figure"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "never came forward or tried to touch"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "him. It just stayed farther back and"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "watched. And eventually, Steven began"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "calling it the Hat Man. But the figures"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "he encountered most often looked like"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "independent human silhouettes. And he"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "saw them so many times that eventually,"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "he just started calling them Joeys. Now,"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "most of these happened while Steven was"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "asleep or in that strange kind of middle"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "state where he didn't feel completely"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "awake or asleep. 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Every"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "muscle was tight, and his left leg had"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "cramped so hard that it was basically"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "locked in place. And so he just lay"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "there trying to understand how something"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "that happened in a dream could leave his"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "leg feeling as if the chase had actually"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "happened. And the older he got, the"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "worse he felt when he woke up. His"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "muscles would be stiff and tight and his"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "fingers would be sore. I mean, his"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "entire body felt as if it had worked"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "hard, like he had spent the night"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "fighting or running. And on two separate"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "mornings, both after encounters with the"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "Joeys, he found small scratches along"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "his right side. But even though he"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "confided in the doctors multiple times,"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "they just said, \"Look, this is clearly a"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "sleep disorder.\" But Steven kept seeing"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "the same pattern. Every time he"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "encountered these Joeys, he would always"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "see the Hatman figure and it would be"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "standing back in the distance, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "farther back, just ominously watching"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "him, as if these Joeys were somehow his"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "puppets [music] that he was controlling."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "Now, right around when Steven was 28"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "years old, he had the encounter that he"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "would later call the attack. And the"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "night began like any other night. He"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "went to bed beside his girlfriend and at"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "some point he had heard that same"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "electrical hum and he immediately felt"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "the the charge in the air and he"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "recognized the warning immediately. But"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "by this point, he had already lived with"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "these episodes for the majority of his"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "life and so and so he just accepted it"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "and tried his best to fall asleep. And"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "the next thing he knew, he had fallen"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "asleep, but then he was all of a sudden"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "standing beside his bed and he realized"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "that he was not lying in it this time,"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "but that's the last he remembered, he"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "was standing. And he looked down and he"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "saw his girlfriend asleep on the"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "mattress and right beside her was his"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "own body, flat on its back with its eyes"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "frozen open. Now, Steven had seen his"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "body from outside of it before and he"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "knew that same sluggish feeling, but he"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "had never seen himself looking like"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "this. His first thought was that he's"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "not dreaming, that he's actually dying."}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "And he just had this feeling to turn"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "around. And so he did and he saw that"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "there were three of these figures in the"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "room. Two of them stood closer to him,"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "and behind them was the hat man, still"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "watching and kind of just, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "assessing the situation. Now, normally"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "when these encounters happened, you"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "know, he was terrified out of his mind,"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "but this time there was a layer of"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "confusion that was on top because his"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "body was on the mattress, and he had no"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "idea whether he could get back inside or"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "if, you know, or if he had died and he"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "was being escorted to the afterlife by"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "these things. And all of a sudden, one"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "of these Joeys lunged while the other"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "reached toward him like it was trying to"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "scratch or attack him. And so, as Steven"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "pulled away, and as his shoulders went"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "back, his hands came up, and for a"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "second, he was doing exactly what he had"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "always done and trying to create enough"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "space to run. But every moment still"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "felt like it had to drag through deep"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "water, and the Joeys were already"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "closing in again. Now, for most of"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "Steven's life, this was the point where"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "he ran. The cycle was that they"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "appeared, he tried to get away, and they"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "chased him until he woke up. But there"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "was one thing that Steven had never"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "tried against them. What these [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "figures didn't know was that Steven had"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "spent years training in jujitsu, and he"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "had become a black belt. And as [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "these Joeys came at him, instead of"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "backing away, he brought his hands up"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "and moved forward, and he went after"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "them. And he threw a punch and grabbed"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "at one of them, and he dove into it. And"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "even though his arms still felt really"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "heavy, the movements themselves were"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "familiar because he had practiced them"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "over and over in training. And he"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "expected these beings to push back, you"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "know, scratch or do something, but they"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "offered almost no resistance, [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "and they simply gave way in front of"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "him. And he realized that these things"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "that had chased him were moving"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "backward, so he kept going, throwing"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "more punches and grappling with two"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "Joeys until he had forced them across"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "the room toward the hat man. But even"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "the hat man did not step aside, raise"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "its hand, or react. It just continued to"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "watch. The figures then seemed to blend"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "into the shadows behind him, and the"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "room went completely still, and Steven"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "[music] turned back toward the bed, and"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "that was when he saw something he had"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "never seen ever. And that there was this"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "thin silvery line extending from his"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "back all the way across the room to the"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "body lying beside his girlfriend."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "[music] To him, it looked like a cord or"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "a tail connecting to himself. And then"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "he woke up, and he was back in his bed"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "drenched in sweat. His heart was nearly"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "pounding out of his chest, but he could"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "still feel a presence in the room"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "somewhere, but he couldn't see it. That"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "was when he noticed that his fingers"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "were sore, like he had actually spent"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "the night hitting something with his"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "fists. And when he got up to look, there"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "was a mark on the left side of his face"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:09", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:12", "text": ">> that looked like a slap mark. But the"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "encounters didn't stop after that, and"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "they still returned every few weeks. But"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "the Joeys didn't chase him anymore, and"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "they no longer lunged, clawed, or tried"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "to grab him. But instead, they slowly"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "circled Steven while keeping their"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "distance, like they were studying some"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "unfamiliar object they didn't"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "understand. Three years later, when he"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "was 31, he finally began sharing these"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "experiences [music] with a paranormal"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "researcher named Jason Offit. The doctor"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "still called it that this was a sleep"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "disorder, and [music] Steven's logical"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "side still tried to accept that, but his"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "gut told him that there was just more to"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "it, that this wasn't just something"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "wrong with him. He didn't know what"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "these figures were, why they had"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "apparently chosen him, or why he seemed"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "to be stuck with them. But he wanted an"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "answer. And so sometime later, he was"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "talking with a former girlfriend that he"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "had stayed close with when [music] she"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "told him that there was something she"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "had never mentioned before. In fact, she"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "had kept it to herself for years because"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "it had disturbed her so greatly. It was"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "about a night that Steven couldn't"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "remember at all. Now, a few years back,"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "Steven had become extremely ill with a"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "severe bacterial infection. And on the"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "night before this girlfriend drove him"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "to the hospital, he was lying in bed"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "soaked in sweat, burning up with a"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "fever, and struggling through heavy"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "labored breaths. And so"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:32", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": ">> she was worried about him, so she leaned"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "over to check on him. And as she did,"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "she caught something in the corner of"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "her eye. And as she turned, there was a"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "large figure that was shaped like a man"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "standing near their bed. Now, to her,"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "she hadn't had any of the experiences"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "that he had that he had already grown"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "used to for his entire life. This was"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "new to her, and she was frightened out"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "of her mind because what was there in"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "front of her looked like a shadow, but"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "it was solid. And the glow came from a"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "streetlight through the window, and it"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "just caught enough of it for her to make"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "out that there was the outline. She"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "blinked a couple of times to try and"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "reassure herself that she's just seeing"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "things, and it disappeared. And right"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "then, Steven woke up delirious with his"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "fever through the roof. He had no memory"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "of seeing anything, and she hadn't even"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "said a word about what had just vanished"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "beside the bed. But the first words out"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "of Steven's mouth were, \"Did he scare"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "you? He can't even stop while I'm ill.\""}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "And all those years earlier, Steven had"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "learned that some people could see these"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "things and some people could not. And"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "now his former girlfriend had turned out"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "to be one of the people who could."}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "Steven's fever was so bad that it wiped"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "that night from his memory. But his"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "former girlfriend never forgot it, and"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "after that, she never believed what the"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "doctors [music] told Steven again. In"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "2008, a woman named Jill moved with her"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "family into an old house in New"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "Hampshire, and after several uneventful"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "years, ordinary things suddenly began"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "turning up in places they didn't belong."}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "Now, the first few times this happened,"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "nobody really thought much about it."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "There was salt in the sugar bowl, the"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "keys turned up in the fireplace, you"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "know, the dishes [music] began appearing"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "inside bedrooms. And at one point,"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "somebody opened the microwave and found"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "a television remote inside. Even though"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "it was strange, nobody treated it like"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "it was paranormal. I mean, when several"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "people live under the same roof, it's"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "easy to assume that somebody else did"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "it. But then, objects began toppling off"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "shelves on their own. Lights would"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "suddenly cut out. Now, none of it was"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "openly threatening, and nobody was ever"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "hurt. But after a while, people in the"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "family started paying closer attention"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "whenever something moved or a light went"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "out. Nobody really came out and said"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "there was something wrong with the"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "house, but they stopped feeling"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "comfortable inside of it. Years into"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "these disturbances, Jill had an"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "experience that she could not explain."}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "At the time, it was late, and she was"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "lying in bed, drifting somewhere between"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "being awake and asleep. [music] And from"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "where she was, she could see the closet"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "door in the far corner where the walls"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "met the ceiling. And as her body began"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "to calm down, and her eyes got heavier,"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "she reached that point where she was"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "about to lose track of the room around"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "her. She was dozing off, and that was"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "when a sharp rap came from the closet"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "and pulled her completely awake. And for"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "a few seconds, she lay there and"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "listened, but nothing else happened, so"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "she began telling herself that maybe she"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "had imagined it. I mean, she had been"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "almost asleep. And if you've ever lived"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "in an old house, I mean, you know"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "there's always some sort of noise in the"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "walls or something. Jill almost accepted"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "that when another rap came from the"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "closet. But this time, it was [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "higher up, like it had come from"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "somewhere near the ceiling inside. And"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "right away, she went still, and she just"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "stared at the closet door. She was"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "straining to hear anything, but there"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "wasn't any movement or a knock. And so,"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "she waited. She was extremely on edge."}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "She's holding her blankets, you know,"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "her eyes are wide. And another minute"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "passed, and several minutes went by, and"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "she didn't hear anything. Nothing came,"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "and eventually her breathing slowed, and"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "she began to relax again. And she told"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "herself it was nothing, it was just an"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "old house, and she needed to go back to"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "sleep. [music] And as she looked toward"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "the closet one last time, she noticed"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "this shadow right near the ceiling"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "directly above the closet door. Now,"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "right away, she was like, \"There's"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "something wrong with it.\" because it was"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "not faint or gray or transparent. It was"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "instead deep black and it was dense and"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "it looked like somebody had pressed a"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "patch of darkness flat against the"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "ceiling. She just blinked and stared at"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "it in complete disbelief at what she was"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "looking at and she's thinking, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "it's got to be something. There has to"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "be an explanation.\" I mean, she even"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "looked for an object beneath it and then"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "she turned her head to find the light"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "source somewhere behind her because"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "she's panicking. She became convinced in"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "that moment that there was light being"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "cast into the room and that was"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "responsible for the shadow. And so, she"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "turned her head to find a light source"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "somewhere behind her, but there wasn't"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "any. And just then, the shadow suddenly"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "scurried across the ceiling and she's"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "watching it race from above the closet"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "door toward the far side of the room."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "And as it moves, she can make out long,"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "thin, spindly legs that were extending"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "from the dark center [music] and it"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "looks like an enormous spider, except it"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "is much too large to be any spider that"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "she has ever seen. I mean, it was"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "roughly [music] the size of a house cat."}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "And once it got to the corner, it"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "settled in the darkness and just stopped"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "moving like it was waiting for"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "something. And she just sat and stared"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "at it because her brain was fried at"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "this point. She's still holding on to"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "the simplest explanation that this has"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "to be a trick of the light. And she"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "[music] watched it crawl across the"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "ceiling. Maybe it really was a spider"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "and all she needed to do [music] was get"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "up and deal with it. She could not stand"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "bed with it above her, so she pushed"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "herself up, stepped on the floor, picked"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "up a clothes hanger from the floor, and"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "she wrapped her hand around it and held"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "it out in front of her so that way there"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "would at least be something between her"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "and whatever was in the corner and then"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "she began walking toward it, but it"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "didn't move as she took another step and"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "tightened her grip on the hanger. If"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "this was a real spider, its body would"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "lift away from the ceiling or one of the"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "long legs would shift, but it didn't"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "react to her at all. And so, she took"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "another step. If an object was casting"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "the shadow, getting closer should reveal"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "what it was. But there was nothing"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "hanging from the ceiling or extending"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "[music] from either wall. But she"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "continued forward. And by the time she"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "reached the far side of the room, she"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "was almost directly beneath it. And so,"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "she tilted her head back straight up at"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "the spot where it stopped. And from this"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "close, any trick caused by the darkness"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "should have [music] revealed itself. And"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "she should have been able to see what it"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "was. But when she inspected the spot,"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "there wasn't a spider, there's nothing"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "hidden, there was only bare ceiling and"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "the empty corner. Confused out of her"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "mind, she lowered the hanger and"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "continued staring at that empty space."}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "And now that she was close enough to"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "physically do something, she didn't see"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "anything. And so, she's genuinely"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "wondering if she is losing her mind. I"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "mean, after all, she had simply been"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "drifting off when this started. So,"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "maybe she had just dreamt it. And even"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "though it was frightening, at least it"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "gave her an explanation. So, she went"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "back to bed, she pulled the covers over"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "herself, and she looked toward the far"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "corner one last time. And for a moment,"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "the spot she had inspected was still"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "empty, but then the shape moved. And it"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "scrambled down the wall, and Jill can"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "see these long, thin legs moving again"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "as it drops toward the floor. And before"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "she can even get out of bed, it scurries"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "across the open room in front of her,"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "races toward the closet, and then it"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "vanishes. You know, she yanked the"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "blanket over herself, and she cowered."}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "And now that she could no longer see the"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "room, all she could hear was her own"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "breathing and any movement of the"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "blanket whenever she shifted. Being"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "practically on the verge of having a"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "heart attack, she did her best to hold"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "herself completely still, and she"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "listened for [music] anything that would"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "be crossing the floor or moving inside"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "the closet. But she didn't hear"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "anything. And then, out of nowhere, one"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "loud rap came from inside, and before"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "she could do anything, a second"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "followed. And after that, the room went"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "silent. And so, not wanting to get out"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "from under the blanket and expose"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "herself, she thought staying underneath"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "it was going to be the best case"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "scenario. But even though it was dead"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "silent, it did not make her feel any"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "safer. She had no idea what the shape"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "was, where it had gone, or what it was"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "doing in the closet. So, not having any"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "choice, she stayed awake for the rest of"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "the night. Now, somehow, she made it to"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "the next morning, and she finally opened"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "the closet, and she found that nothing"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "had fallen or appeared to have been"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "moved, that it looked exactly the way it"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "had before she went to bed. Now, what's"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "interesting about that experience is"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "[music] after that night, other members"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "of her family began catching these"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "fleeting glimpses of the same thing. And"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "they all described this large, dark"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "spider that would dart through the house"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "after dark, but it always vanished"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "before anybody could clearly look at it."}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "Now, according to Jill, sightings"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "continued for years, and eventually, her"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "and her family moved out, but Jill does"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "not know what the shape was or why it"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "appeared there, or whether the people"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "who moved in after her family ever saw"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "it, too. And unfortunately, nobody ever"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "found an answer, and even to this day,"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "whatever they as a family dealt with"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "remains a mystery. And because you guys"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "made it this far, I want you to all"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "comment down below \"shadows\", so that"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "way I know who made it to the end and"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "who didn't. 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In this episode, we're going"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "to look at three very interesting cases"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "that prove maybe what we know about the"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "Grand Canyon isn't all it's chocked up"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "to be. You won't want to miss this one."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "One morning in August of 1955, a young"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "archaeologist named Douglas Schwarz"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "stood inside a cave in the Grand Canyon"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "[music] at a very specific spot. Every"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "cave has this exact spot. The line where"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "the last of the daylight coming in"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "through the entrance finally gives up"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "and everything past it is darkness."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "Douglas was standing right on that line,"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "half in the light, half out of it when"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "he raised his lamp and he realized that"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "there was something hanging from the"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "ceiling directly over his head. It was a"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "piece of human hair wrapped in string"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "hanging from two little sticks that"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "somebody had jammed into the cracks in"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "the rock overhead right at the border."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "To understand what Douglas was doing in"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "this cave and why this bundle of hair is"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "one of the strangest things ever"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "documented in the Grand Canyon, you have"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "to go back 21 years to a single letter."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "The letter is dated November of 1934."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "It describes a river expedition that had"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "gone down the Colorado River earlier"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "that year. And at some point on that"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "trip, one of the runners climbed up to a"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "cave whose mouth sat high above the"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "water and worked his way about 60 ft"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "back into it. And he found, this is the"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "actual word in the paper, a hatful of"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "little wooden animals, probably 12 to 15"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "of them. And they were strange, mind"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "you. I mean, each one was small. Most of"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "them small enough to sit in the palm of"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "your hand. And each one was folded, not"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "carved, but folded out of twigs into the"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "shape of a little animal. A deer or"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "maybe a big horn sheep, a body, legs, a"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "neck, and a head. Now, four of those"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "figurines went to the American Museum of"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "National History in New York. And every"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "single man on that expedition kept one"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "for himself. The sight line in that old"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "correspondence, the part of the records"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "where the find was actually made, reads"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "probably [music] Stanton's cave."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Probably, of course, because nobody"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "wrote down for certain which cave it"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "was. Now, keep that name in your head"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "because Stanton's cave is going to come"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "back. And so, 5 years later, in 1939,"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "another batch came out of the canyon. 12"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "good specimens and 20 poor ones. And"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "then most of them were destroyed in a"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "fire. The record doesn't even say where"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "they were being stored when they burned."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "That's how thin this paper trail was. So"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "they surfaced. They scatter into"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "people's pockets and drawers. Some of"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "them burn and then nobody writes down"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "any of the details. In 1954,"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "three whole figurines and four fragments"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "surfaced through a university. So by the"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "early 50s for 20 years these little"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "animals had been trickling out of the"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "Grand Canyon caves. Two cave surveyors"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "from a spelological institute which is"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "basically the formal name for any outfit"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "that scientifically explores and maps"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "caves started systematically working the"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "canyon. Three seasons from 1953 to 1955."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "A collector from a museum in northern"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Arizona joined them in October of 54."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "And by the end of it, those two"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "surveyors had checked roughly"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "150 Grand Canyon caves. The figurines"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "showed up in exactly four of them. And"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "the thing is, if these little animals"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "turned up in every other cave in the"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "canyon, maybe people just dropped them"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "there and they only survived in caves"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "where it's dry. But 150 and they're"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "sitting in four. I mean, that's not"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "random because whoever left these was"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "choosing where they went. Now, this is"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "where Mr. Douglas comes in because in"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "1955, he pulled together something"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "called the Grand Canyon Figurine"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "Project. The goal was very simple and"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "very hard to do. get into those caves"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "and for the first time in 21 years of"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "these things existing in the scientific"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "record, study them. Now, here's what you"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "have to understand about these caves."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "There is no road to them. There's no"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "trail crew that maintains this nice even"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "path to the entrances. Now, for the"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "caves the team needed, there wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "river shortcut either. The only way in"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "is on foot down through the cliff bands"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "carrying everything. So, in August of 55"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "in the Grand Canyon, where the inner"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "canyon runs well over 100°, his team"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "loaded it all onto their backs. The team"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "came in through the entrance chamber out"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "of the glare and into the cool, dry air"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "that smelt like old dust, and [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "they spread out along the walls with"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "their lamps. And pretty quickly,"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "somebody noticed something about the"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "floor. Right at the line where the cave"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "floor meets the wall, there were flat"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "rocks that didn't look like they had"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "fallen there. Rock fall is messy, but"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "these were not. Some of them were big"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "slabs up to 13x 21 in lying flat and"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "level and tucked right into the seam"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "between floor and wall. So, they lifted"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "one and underneath the rock there was a"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "layer of shredded juniper bark."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "Underneath the bark, tucked down into a"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "little pit that somebody had dug into"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "the cave floor, were the figurines. And"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "it kept happening. All along the walls"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "of this cave, the team found cash after"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "cash. Pits dug exactly where the floor"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "met the wall, capped with flat stones so"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "that way nothing could get at what was"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "underneath. Everything that this pointed"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "to is that somebody dug these pits and"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "picked out flat stone capstones and"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "carried them to these exact spots."}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "Somebody wrapped these little animals in"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "soft bark before covering them over."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "This wasn't storage. It looked more like"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "a burial. And due to the situation, this"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "was also the team's first opportunity to"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "really study how they were made. And the"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "construction was almost unbelievable for"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "how simple they were. I mean, each"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "figurine [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "is just a willow twig. Somebody took a"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "long twig, split it down to its length"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "so it could bend without snapping, and"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "then they folded it over around through"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "itself until the one became a whole"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "little animal. Six of the figurines were"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "pierced, meaning that somebody had made"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "miniature spears, tiny slivers, scaled"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "to the animals, and run them through"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "clean through the bodies. Most entered"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "the left side and came out the right"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "rear, which if you know about how"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "hunters bring down big game is a kill"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "path. That's the line a real spear takes"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "through a real animal. Now, the spears"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "were made of thorn, a spine off a mess"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "plant, a desert agave. The daylight"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "coming through the cave mouth only"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "reaches so far. Right at the boundary,"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "there was the hair. a hank of human hair"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "wrapped in string hanging from two"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "little sticks that somebody had wedged"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "into the ceiling. So at the time the"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "team measured it, they photographed it"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "and wrote it down. And nobody standing"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "in that cave had any idea what it meant"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "and then passed a line in a passage"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "where no daylight has ever reached. They"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "were able to pick up one more thing"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "lying on the floor. It was a juniper"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "torch charred at one end, which meant"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "that this was a place that was often"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "visited and forgotten. Once the"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "documentation was finished, Douglas's"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "team did something that for 1955 was"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "genuinely unusual. The standard practice"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "for all these years had been to find"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "them, pocket them, crate them, and then"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "carry them out. But instead, they put"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "the capstones back the way they'd found"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "them, and they left the cashes in the"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "floor. They packed out their notes and"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "their photos, and they left the cave"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "exactly as how they found it. Douglas's"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "team became the first in history to look"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "at what was under the Grand Canyon and"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "not take it. Now, three years after"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "that, in 1958, Douglas and his"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "colleagues published their findings. And"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "there are two things in that report that"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "you need to hear because the second one"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "is the reason this entire segment"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "exists. Now, keep in mind who's writing"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "this. these were careful, orthodox,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "skeptical scientists producing a formal"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "site report that all of this was some"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "kind of hunting ritual. But in the same"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "report, they pretty much kneecapped"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "their own idea and they wrote that this"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "reading was purely hypothetical that"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "their words nothing more than the"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "author's own feeling. And then they"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "wrote the sentence that nearly 70 years"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "later has still not been improved on."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "They wrote that those who made these"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "figurines cannot be assigned to any"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "particular cultural group, living or"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "dead. Which is interesting because this"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "is formal scientific publication"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "admitting in print that they have the"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "objects, they have the caves, they can"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "even date the material, but they don't"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "know who did it. Now, in the decades"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "after Douglas's team, things only got"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "stranger. It would turn out that"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "Stanton's cave would eventually give up"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "more than 165 figurines. And when those"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "were radiocarbonated in a federal lab,"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "they were like around 4,95 years old,"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "plus or minus about 100, which means"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "that this was a generation of people."}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "And it also means that the figurines"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "weren't even close to the oldest things"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "in Stanton's cave. That same cave held"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "more than 70 bones from California"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "condors. at least five individual birds,"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "condors that were using that cave. They"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "estimate to be around 14,000 years ago."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "But what's really interesting is that"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "today the mouth of Stanton's [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "cave is sealed with a steel gate built"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "specifically to keep people out and let"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "the bats pass through the bars, which"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "for years was the one cave in the park"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "you could legally walk into and was"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "closed under the park's 2026 rules. And"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "the stated reason is that it's exactly"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "what it sounds like, protecting bats"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "from whit- noose disease, a fungus"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "that's been wiping out colonies across"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "the country. The park service in its own"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "material says that the figurine's exact"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "function remains a mystery. Nearly a"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "century after that first hatful came out"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "of the rock, nobody has been able to"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "explain the who, what, when, where, why."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "But where this goes next, I think you'll"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "find pretty interesting. In July of"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "1976,"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "a Grand Canyon river ranger named Scott"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "Thyon was working the very last river"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "trip of a season way down at the far"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "western end of the canyon, right down"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "near Lake Meade, out along the edge of"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "the Grand Wash Cliffs. It was on this"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "last trip that Scott came around to a"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "stretch of river he knew well and saw"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "something that didn't make sense. There"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "was smoke coming out of the rock. Smoke"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "was drifting out of the cliff face"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "itself, out of a dark opening and above"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "the water. Now, he knew exactly what"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "that opening was. It turned out it was"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "the mouth of a locked, gated, federally"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "protective cave called Rampert Cave."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "Back in 1936, a park service foreman"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "named Willis Evans [music] went into"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "Rampert Cave and he realized that the"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "strange material blanketing the floor"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "was not dirt. That July, excavators went"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "in behind him and they began digging."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "And in 1942, the Smithsonian ran a dig"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "of its own. And what everybody kept"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "confirming was almost hard to say with a"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "straight face that the floor of Rampert"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "Cave was covered wallto-wall, several"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "feet thick, and a blanket of dung left"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "behind by an extinct ice age animal"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "called Shasta ground sloth. It had been"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "layered down on top of each other like"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "the pages of a book. The deepest were"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "older than what they suspected was"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "40,000 years running up to about 24,000."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "Which means that to them this layer of"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "dung, the the entirety of it was a"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "physical continuous record of the ice"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "age. And no pun intended, but it goes"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "deeper because this cave also held more"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "than 200 sloth bones in addition to"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "plant remains from 72 different kinds."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "But by the 1970s, the cave was such a"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "huge deal in the scientific world that"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "it had its own resident authority. a"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "University of Arizona paleocologist"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "named Paul Martin, who in one of the"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "ERA's official newsletters described"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "himself as the world's leading expert"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "[music] on fossil sloth debris. So,"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "because of this, the cave was then"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "gated. There were heavy iron bars across"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "the mouth and it had been locked that"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "way for years. This is what Scott"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "Thybone knew was sitting behind those"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "bars when he saw the smoke rising up."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "And the way he would describe it later"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "was very simple. that by the time they"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "found it, the cave was already filled"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "with smoke, and the first thing waiting"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "for them at the entrance told them how"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "it all started. The iron bars of the"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "gate had been pried apart. When crews"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "had worked their way to the very back of"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "Rampert Cave, they found an abandoned"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "torch. And it didn't take long for Scott"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "to put the whole thing together. And his"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "read on it is almost heartbreaking in"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "how small it is. probably just boers. He"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "figured people who had come up from the"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "lake, found the gate, got curious, and"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "somehow squeezed through the bars"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "carrying a burning torch so they could"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "see it. They looked around and then they"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "left. And somewhere there, embers came"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "off that torch, dropped onto the floor,"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "right? And everything else is history."}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "Now, the fight itself turned into nine"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "days. The crews brought in Scott air"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "packs, which are full firefighter"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "breathing rigs, [music] tanks, and"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "masks. And no, it's not named after our"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "Ranger. That's just the brand. They"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "rigged a vent hose to a generator to"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "pull smoke out of the cave. So, so that"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "way anybody inside had half a chance of"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "functioning. Inside, the conditions were"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "like another planet. Visibility was 6"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "in. You could barely hold out your hand"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "in that smoke and lose track of it. And"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "because it was like 200 degrees, it was"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "extremely hot. The men worked in"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "10-minute shifts, which was basically"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "just enough time to get in, get to the"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "fire, look at it, and then get back out"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "before heat exhaustion dropped you. Now,"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "Scott thought from the very start that"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "they should flood the cave, bring in"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "enough water to drown the thing out once"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "and be done with it. But command said no"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "because flooding the cave would destroy"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "the deposit. And the deposit was the"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "entire point. The mission was never just"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "put out a fire. It was to save the"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "archive. So, it was all about putting"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "water down, cooling the deposits slowly"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "and very carefully, and preserving every"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "and any layer that hadn't yet burned."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "And this is exactly what they did for 9"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "days. Now, it wouldn't be until years"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "later when Scott had to sum up what that"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "stretch of his life was like, he needed"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "exactly one phrase, and he called it 9"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "days in Dante's Inferno. Now, on the"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "ninth day, they had basically won"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "because the fire was on the verge of"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "being officially declared out. The crews"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "figured that they had maybe a few hours"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "left inside and that would be the end of"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "it. So, that morning, Scott flew into"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "the cave and he noticed something very"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "small, that the vent hoses were dead."}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "There was no air moving through them at"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "all. Now, a dead hose could mean a"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "hundred boring things like the"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "generator, a kink in the line, but"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "somebody had to go in and find out. But"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "at the time, because it was still"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "actively going, the fire boss was like,"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "\"No, nobody's going inside.\" But"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "regardless, Scott and one other"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "firefighter went in anyway. They could"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "see that inside the cave had changed"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "dramatically. I mean, for 9 days, the"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "limestone had been baking and expanding"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "with all the heat that it had swallowed."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "And as the fire died down and the rock"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "began to cool, it was now contracting."}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "Now, there's a word for what limestone"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "does when it contracts after being"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "cooked in that kind of heat. It spalls,"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "which just means that flakes and slabs"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "of rock crack loose and drop off the"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "walls and off the ceiling. And so, as"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "Scott and the other firefighter work"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "their way through the cave through,"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "again, limited visibility, they found"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "the hose and it was crushed flat, pinned"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "to the floor underneath a slab of stone"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "that had come down off the ceiling. And"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "so Scott bent over in the dark looking"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "at the crushed hose. And then he looked"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "directly above him. And hanging over"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "their heads, cracked loose from the"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "ceiling of the Rampert cave was a slab"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "of limestone the size of a Volkswagen."}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "Scott didn't say anything. He reached"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "over and he tapped his partner and he"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "pointed straight up. And even now, the"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "way Scott tells it, the man's eyes got"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "big and he kind of just pushed past him"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "and he made a beline for the entrance."}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "Neither one of them said anything the"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "whole way out. Now, the very next day,"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "Scott let a team of my inspectors in"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "there, the people whose entire job is"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "deciding whether underground rock will"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "hold. And they made it about 30 ft until"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "they looked up at the ceiling at the"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "cracks running through it. And they"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "decided that, you know, we got to shut"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "everything down for good. No more"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "shifts, no more sprinkling. People"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "cannot be in this cave. Period. It is"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "not safe. The park service then sealed"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "the entrance and they pumped the cave"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "full of carbon monoxide. So in mid"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "January of 1977, so 6 months in, crews"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "opened Rampert Cave back up to confirm"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "that the fire was finally dead. The cave"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "was in fact still filled with smoke and"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "the dung was still smoldering. Now the"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "first estimate, the number that Scott"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "remembered was that 94% of the deposit"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "was gone. Later on, a paleontologist"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "named Jim Meade got crews back in and he"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "went through what was left and they"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "documented that there were more"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "survivors than anybody had dared hope"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "for. The park services figure today is"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "about 70% destroyed. But gated caves"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "like this and the most restricted place"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "in the entire Grand Canyon isn't a cave"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "at all. It is something far more"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "substantial. In 1974, an aerospace"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "engineer named Yseph Blumer sat down at"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "his desk in Huntsville, Alabama with a"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "piece of writing he fully intended to"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "destroy. Blumer worked at NASA's"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "Marshall Space Flight Center in"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "Huntsville, which was the part of NASA"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "that handled launch vehicles, the actual"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "rockets. And so by 74, he had been doing"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "this kind of work for 40 years. He had"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "designed aircraft and over the decades"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "he had worked his way into spacecraft"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "and launch systems. A Swiss author named"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "Eric von Danakin had published this"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "wildly popular book arguing that ancient"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "texts all over the world were actually"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "describing visits from [music] beings"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "who came from other places. And one of"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "his showcase examples came from the"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "Bible, the book of Ezekiel. Ezekiel was"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "a prophet writing roughly two and a half"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "thousand years ago and describes this"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "vision of something coming down out of"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "the sky. Fire, gleaming metal, four"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "living creatures and these wheels that"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "moved within wheels. Von Danakin's take"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "was that this wasn't a vision. It was an"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "eyewitness account of a landing craft"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "written down by a man who didn't have"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "the vocabulary for it. Bloomer's"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "reaction was that this was nonsense and"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "he would later describe his own starting"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "position as intensely skeptical because"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "as far as he was concerned 40 years in"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "the business, you know, visitors from"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "another planet didn't really make sense."}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "And in fact, instead of just dismissing"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "it outright, he was in a position to go"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "out and prove it wrong. He could take"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "the description and run it through"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "genuine engineering analysis and"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "basically prove that it couldn't work."}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "His entire plan was to let the"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "engineering expose the theory that"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "contradictions would simply pile up and"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "it would fall apart and nobody would"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "believe it. And he's like, you know"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "what, it's not going to take long at"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "all. But that's not what happened. And"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "what did happen over the next 5 years is"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "one of the strangest paper trails ever"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "left behind anyone who worked at NASA."}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "So Bloomer began the analysis and he"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "approached it the way he would approach"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "a design proposal. pull out the"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "dimensions, check the structure, trace"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "how the described parts would connect,"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "and look for the fatal flaw. But as he"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "looked deeper, every place he expected a"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "contradiction, it resolved. He'd go"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "hunting for the failure point, the"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "detail that couldn't work or geometry"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "that didn't make sense, and he'd come"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "back without an answer. And so, he kept"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "thinking like, if if I'm missing"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "something, it's got to be in here"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "somewhere. And when he was all finished,"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "the man who had sat down to try and"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "destroy the theory arrived at a"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "conclusion he never saw coming. The"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "vehicle described in his judgment was"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "technically feasible. In 1974, he"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "published an article called The"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "Spaceships of the Prophet Ezekiel. Now,"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "by the late 1970s, Blumer was deep into"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "a brand new project, and this one had"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "nothing to do with what he had worked"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "on. He had begun working with the Hopi"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "man named Oswald Frederick's who went by"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "the name Whitebear. Years earlier, he"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "had been a collaborator on the Book of"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "the Hopy, a widely read book documenting"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "the tradition for the outside world. So,"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "this was a very known source. Now, at"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "first, it was a very simple way to do"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "things. He would record the material"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "himself [music] and then there were"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "recorded conversations between Whitebear"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "and Bloomer. I mean, hours and hours"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "[music] of them, session after session."}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "And a woman named Naomi Frederick's"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "reportedly helped transcribe it all. But"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "what Bloom didn't fully grasp when those"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "first tapes started rolling was just how"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "far the account was going to go. There's"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "one detail about how this project worked"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "that you need to hold on to because it"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "does change everything that follows it."}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "Now, Bloomer was open later about his"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "own role in this. He actually helped"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "search for the right formulations and he"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "organized the material into chapters and"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "subheadings which means that the end"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "claim of Yseph Blumer was one that he"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "had personally listened to, weighed,"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "arranged, and then signed his name to."}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "Whitebear described a world before this"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "one. In the tradition he laid out,"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "humanity has lived through more than"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "one. And in the last world, the third"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "world, the people's homeland was a place"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "called Cascara, a great land that was"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "out in the Pacific Ocean. It was a"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "civilization that existed before the"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "world we now know. And Cascara, the"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "account said, went under. It sank into"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "the sea. But then another civilization"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "entered in and it entered by name."}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "Atlantis, also ancient and advanced, and"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "in Whitebear's telling, aggressive,"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "technologically powerful, and hungry for"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "control. Now, the account described a"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "conflict between Atlantis and Cascara"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "and a clash between these two worlds."}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "And that conflict contributed to the"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "destruction of them both. And somewhere"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "during these sessions, Bloomer had to"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "reckon with what he was doing because"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "this was no longer one anomalous machine"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "in one ancient text. Tape by tape, the"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "account was laying out an entire"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "alternative history of civilization, all"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "before recorded history even begins. But"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "the next part of it turned into"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "something else entirely. You see, the"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "survivors had to reach a new continent"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "far away to the east. And the account"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "described three ways the people made"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "that crossing. Some by boat, the others"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "by open water. And the long hard way"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "traveled in what could be called big"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "birds or what the account refers to as"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "flying shields. And these shields didn't"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "belong to the people, but rather the"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "cacas. 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They couldn't make them"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "or copy them, but the Cacas could. And"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "they already knew exactly where the new"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "land was. So, they flew, you know, a"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "selected group of people ahead of"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "everybody else. So that way the"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "groundwork was already prepared by the"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "rest of the survivors when everybody"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "else made it across. And it gets even"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "more interesting because Atlantis had"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "craft like these too. Except according"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "to the account, the people of Atlantis"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "had learned to build their own. Now the"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "account kept going because it placed the"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "first arrivals in the New World roughly"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "80,000 years ago. 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But perhaps the most"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "interesting aspect of all this is that"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "the Kachas, according to the account,"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "could actually travel to the creator."}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "And it was very specific about how that"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "they traveled at the speed of light."}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "They left this planet, they came back"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "and certain people, you know, high"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "ranking who were carefully chosen were"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "actually permitted to go with them. So"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "in 1979, a real publishing house known"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "as Acon Verlock actually released the"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "book. It's 384 pages with 35"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "illustrations. This is a book that has"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "an official catalog entry in the German"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "National Library, too. But for some odd"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "reason, which nobody knows why, the"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "actual recordings this entire account is"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "supposed to be built on, the hours of"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "White Bear's voice that the whole first"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "part of that book rest on have never"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "been located. And to this day, nobody"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "has been able to produce them. Now,"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "whether they were lost or destroyed or"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "just sitting in some archive somewhere,"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "nobody knows. But I think more"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "importantly, all of this makes us truly"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "question the history of the world and"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "what was really here before we were. And"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "because you guys made it this far, I"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "want you to all comment down below the"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "Grand Canyon. So that way I know who"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "made it to the end and who didn't. And"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "if you guys enjoy storytelling like"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "this, where we deep dive into strange"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "cases of the mysterious and potentially"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "supernatural, go ahead and smack that"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "like and subscribe button for more"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "content just like this. And as always,"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "never forget, I love you all. Keep an"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "open mind and I'll see you guys in the"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "very next"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "In the early morning hours of March"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "1962, a Navy helicopter crew out of"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "Pensacola found a 16-year-old boy face"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "down on a beach on Santa Rosa Island in"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "Florida. He had been lost at sea for"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "over 12 hours and was one of five who"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "had survived. Now, at the time, the"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "newspapers printed a story supposedly"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "would contradict what had happened. And"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "it's why you've never heard this story."}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "You won't want to miss this one."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "At about 7:45 in the morning on Sunday,"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "March 25th of 1962, a Navy helicopter"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "crew out of the Pensacola Naval Air"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "Station was flying along the western tip"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "of Santa Rosa Island off the Florida"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "panhandle when one of the crewmen looked"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "down and he'd spotted something on the"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "beach below them. 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He was shivering violently"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "and he was just barely conscious. So the"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "crew tried to get him up on his feet,"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "but every time they did, his legs would"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "just buckle underneath him. He was"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "clearly in shock and suffering from"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "exposure. And so when they went to ask"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "him who he was, he couldn't really"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "answer at first because he was barely"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "coherent. He was so far gone that he"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "could barely form words. 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Switch to"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "Mint and get 3, 6, or 12 months of"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "premium wireless for $15 per month."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "That's any plan, even unlimited. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "keep an open mind and check out the link"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "in the description below. He said his"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "name was Edward Brian McCclary. He was"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "16 years old. The crew loaded Brian onto"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "the helicopter and airlifted him to the"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "hospital at the Pensacola Naval Base."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "And as doctors worked on him and he"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "slowly stabilized, the people around him"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "started slowly piecing together the"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "parts of this that they could actually"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "measure. Based on where he was found,"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "rescue teams estimated that he had"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "drifted or swam roughly 5 mi. Based on"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "his condition, doctors figured that he"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "had been in the water for over 12 hours."}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "That alone made him very lucky to be"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "alive. But the thing is, Brian had not"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "gone out there alone. The previous"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "morning, he had left with four friends."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "14-year-old Bradford Rice, 16-year-old"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "Warren Sally Jr., 16-year-old Eric Rule,"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "and 17-year-old Larry Bill. Five boys"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "heading out to go skinding in the Gulf,"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "which is basically free diving. Mask and"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "fins. no air tanks, but only Brian"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "returned. At the hospital, a man named"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "EE McGovern, who was with a local search"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "and rescue unit, sat down next to"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "Brian's bed. And at that point, Brian"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "just told him what happened out there on"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "the water. Now, what Brian said to"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "McGovern in that hospital room, I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "actually going to hold on to that for a"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "little while because the order this"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "story came out in, it's not a detail."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "It's basically the entire story. So that"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "way you can experience this the same way"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "the public did back in 1962. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "to give it to you in the order the world"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "got it. What I can tell you right now is"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "that a full search launched immediately."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "Coast Guard boats, Navy aircraft crews"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "sweeping the Gulf. They were looking for"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "the four boys that were unaccounted for."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "They were still out there somewhere. The"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "search went on for days and it turned up"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "almost nothing. And then the raft"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "appeared. It washed ashore on Gulf Beach"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "about 10 miles from the spot where Brian"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "was found. And when searchers got to it,"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "they found face masks, shoes, and swim"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "fins still packed away in a storage"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "pockets. Gear still stowed, but no boys"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "or bodies, just an empty raft sitting on"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "a beach. Now, why would five divers"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "leave a raft that was still floating? On"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "March 31st, so one week later, a body"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "washed ashore. Brian was brought in to"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "identify it and his exact words were"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "that to the best of his knowledge it was"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "Brad Rice. Brad's death was classified"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "as drowning and he was only 14. Brad's"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "funeral made the local paper in Fort"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "Walton Beach, which is where all five of"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "these boys were from. It's a small GF"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "coast town with a population of around"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "20,000 at the time. This is the first"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "thing that you hit where it just doesn't"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "sit right because the paper that covered"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "Brad's funeral made zero mention of the"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "other three boys. It is extremely"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "strange that, no pun intended, the"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "coverage of the story was extremely"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "shallow. Now, I want you to pay"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "attention to that because it's going to"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "matter. As for Brian, he was released"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "from the hospital after a short stay and"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "physically he healed up fine, but"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "mentally he did not. And not long after"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "he got home, Brian suffered a complete"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "nervous breakdown. And in fact, it took"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "him roughly 3 months before he could"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "really function again. He was 16 and he"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "was the only one who came home. Whatever"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "he was carrying around inside of him, it"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "was heavy enough to pull him apart. Now,"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "while Brian was privately dealing with"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "all this trauma, the public version of"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "the story was being set in place. On"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "March 26th of 1972, the Ocala Star"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "banner ran the story under a headline"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "about four teenage divers still missing"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "after abandoning their raft. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "facts, as reported, went like this. Five"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "boys went out skin diving. The tide"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "pulled them away from shore. Waves"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "started breaking over the raft and they"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "tried to tie off to a buoy and failed."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "So, that's when they abandoned the raft"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "and they tried to swim to shore and"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "Brian obviously made it and the others"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "didn't. The Pensacola News Journal"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "actually quoted Brian at length, and his"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "published account is genuinely"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "heartbreaking. He described how he,"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "Larry, and Eric had tried to swim"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "together, how Eric cramped up, and he"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "and Larry worked to keep Eric's head"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "above the water, and how Brian's own"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "legs locked up on him, and how he tried"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "to get Eric to hold on to him, and Eric"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "just kept yelling that he couldn't make"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "it. And at some point, Brian turned to"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "Larry and told him he didn't think they"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "were going to survive this. and Larry"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "came back with, \"Well, we're sure going"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "to try.\" And then the published account,"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "for whatever reason, jumps. The next"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "thing in the story is Brian is on the"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "shore all alone. There is no explanation"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "of what happened to the four boys. One"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "moment, they're all there in the water"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "fighting for survival and the next"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "there's a gap and then it's a boy face"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "down on a beach 5 miles away. And in"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "every newspaper account, there is"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "nothing unusual anywhere. No fog or"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "anything strange in the water. It's just"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "a simple drowning. That's what the"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "public believed for 3 years. But in May"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "of 1965, Brian McCclary, 19 years old"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "now, published a firsterson article in a"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "magazine telling his own full version of"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "what happened. And his version did not"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "match the newspapers. And before he even"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "got into the events, Brian made two"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "claims about 1962 that completely"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "changed how you have to look at this"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "case. The first claim is that Brian said"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "he had told the whole story, all of it,"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "right away from his hospital bed to EE"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "McGovern, the search and rescue man. And"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "he says that McGovern heard him out all"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "the way to the end and then told him,"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "you know, the sea has a lot of secrets."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "You know, I believe you, Brian, but"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "there's not much else I can do. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "second claim is that Brian said the"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "reporters back in ' 62 heard the full"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "story as well. And according to him,"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "they told him that certain parts were"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "better left unmentioned for all"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "concerned, which means that they had"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "heard the story and chose not to print"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "it. Now, keep in mind, Brian was only"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "16. He had just lost all of his friends."}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "He was dealing with a lot of emotional"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "trauma and the adults around him were"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "just telling him, \"Look, you know, you"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "got to keep quiet about the situation."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "You just need to go along with the story"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "that's published.\" And so, for 3 years,"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "he did. And then he decided to finally"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "come out and tell his account. On the"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "morning of Saturday, March 24th of 1962,"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "so just a day before that helicopter,"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "Brian and his four friends loaded up"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "their gear and drove from Fort Walton"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "Beach out to Fort Pickin State Park."}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "Now, the plan at the time was to dive"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "the wreck of the USS Massachusetts,"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "which is an old battleship that the Navy"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "deliberately sunk back in 1921. It sits"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "out on a sandbar about two miles"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "offshore with parts of her still"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "sticking up above the surface. For the"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "local kids, it was a well-known dive"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "spot. You know, you swim the wreck, you"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "spear some fish, and be home by dark."}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "Pretty simple. Now, Brian had checked"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "the weather that day before they left,"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "and the forecast was great. And so, they"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "got out to the water, everything"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "confirmed what he knew. It was a clear"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "sky, very calm waters, and not a cloud"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "anywhere. Now, keep that in mind because"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "it's going to matter. Now, their boat,"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "if you want to call it that, was a 7 ft"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "rubber raft, Air Force surplus with"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "ores, a drift anchor, and storage"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "pockets. And so, they loaded in the dive"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "gear, including a spear gun, and they"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "pushed off into the water, and they took"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "turns rowing. So, that way, nobody wore"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "himself out before they even reached the"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "wreck. Now, even though it was only 2 mi"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "away, they never made it. Some were out"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "in the shallows, the weather suddenly"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "turned on them, and it turned fast."}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "White caps came up, the sky went gray,"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "the wind picked up, and then the waves"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "got big enough that the boys had to grip"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "the sides of the raft just to keep from"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "being thrown out of it. Now, they gave"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "up on the dive right then and there, and"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "they tried to row back in, but the tie"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "took them in the opposite direction away"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "from the beach out in the ocean. So,"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "Eric, Warren, and Brian went over the"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "side into the water, and the idea was"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "that they would push the raft from"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "behind while the other two rode. And"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "between the five of them, they would"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "beat the current. Even though they"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "tried, they didn't get anywhere. The"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "current was too strong. So, they climbed"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "back in. They're soaked. They're tired."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "And the sky just kept getting darker."}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "And off in the distance, they could see"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "that other boats were running for shore."}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "Now, even through the weather, boys"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "spotted a crisscraft, which is a cabin"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "cruiser coming into the channel. And so,"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "out of desperation, they're waving their"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "arms and screaming for help. And at the"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "time there was this older woman who's"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "out on the boat and she saw them. They"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "watched her make eye contact with them"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "and you know she waved back at them but"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "they just kept going and getting"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "desperate and not sure what else to do,"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "Brad grabbed the shark gun which is"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "their spear fishing rig and he tied a"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "red shirt around the tip of the spear"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "and he he fired it toward the boat and"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "the spear sailed and landed about maybe"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "50 ft away. I mean, there's no way the"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "people on the other boat didn't see it,"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "but for whatever reason, they didn't"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "realize these poor boys needed help, and"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "they just kept going on their merry way"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "and eventually disappeared. Brian"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "spotted a large buoy nearby, and he had"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "an idea. Tie the raft off to the buoy"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "and just hold on and ride the storm out,"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "which is honestly smart. So, they"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "paddled for it. But there was a rip"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "current churning around the base of that"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "buoy. And before they could get a line"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "on it, the current grabbed the raft and"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "it it sucked it straight underneath the"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "thing. And the boys had to jump clear so"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "they wouldn't be crushed against it. And"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "the raft popped back up on the far side,"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "water logged, but at least in one piece."}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "And so they dragged themselves back in."}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "And they started bailing water out with"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "their hands. But by now the sky was"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "black, and the current had carried them"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "well past the Massachusetts. They"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "weren't drifting toward anything"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "anymore. They were headed out toward the"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "open sea. Now, Brian could never say"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "exactly how long the storm went on, but"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "at some point it just died. The rain"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "thinned out into a mist. The waves kind"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "of calmed and flattened, and this fog"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "rolled in over the water, thick, heavy,"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "until the boys could only see, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "maybe 25 ft in any given direction. The"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "wind had stopped completely and then"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "everything went silent. There were no"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "waves lapping against the raft or fish"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "breaking the surface. In fact, it was so"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "still that Brian would describe it later"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "like the ocean was holding its breath."}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "The boys started to crack. Brian said it"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "out loud flat like he was reporting a"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "fact. He's like, \"We're dead. We died in"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "a storm.\" But Eric is like grabbing him"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "like, \"No, stop it. Knock it off. We're"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "going to be okay. We're going to make it"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "through this.\" And, you know, not really"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "knowing what to do, one of them dug into"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "the storage pockets and found cigarettes"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "that had somehow miraculously stayed"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "dry. and they just started passing him"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "around and lighting him up. And so, you"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "know, the five of them are sitting"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "there. They're smoking in the fog. And"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "Brian, you know, said this that right"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "there was the first time in his entire"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "life that he was truly deeply scared."}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "Not during the storm, but now when"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "everything was calm. And that's really"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "when things started to change. Because"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "at the time, it was March and the Gulf"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "had been freezing cold all day long. The"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "water underneath the raft turned warm,"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "like noticeably, unmistakably warm. In"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "fact, Brian compared it to bath water."}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "And then this smell rolled over them,"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "thick and sour, like dead fish. It was"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "this heavy, rotten stench that was"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "suddenly everywhere. It was so strong"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "that there was really no getting away"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "from it. And that's when Larry told"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "everybody, he's like, \"Guys, sh I could"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "hear something.\" And so they stopped and"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "they listened and they're like, \"May"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "maybe it's a boat.\" And so they went as"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "still as they could and they continued"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "to listen. Now out there in the fog,"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "maybe 40 ft from the raft, something hit"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "the water, but it was a huge splash."}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "Whatever had just broken the surface was"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "big enough that the wave it threw off"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "rolled all the way over to the raft and"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "broke over the side. And then there was"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "a second splash. And through the fog,"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "they saw something. Now, from where they"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "were at, it looked like an actual"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "telephone pole. I mean, that is the"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "description. A telephone pole standing"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "straight up out of the surface of the"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "Gulf about 10 ft above the water with"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "some kind of mass sitting at the top"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "like a like a bulb on a post or"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "something. And the five of them"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "obviously stared at it because it didn't"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "make any sense. There are no telephone"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "poles two miles out in the Gulf of"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "Mexico. I mean, there are no pilings out"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "there or anything for a piling to even"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "attach to. And then it moved. The entire"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "shape bent, folded over on itself right"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "in the middle, and it slipped down under"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "the surface and was gone. And it went"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "completely silent again. All five boys"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "were so shaken, none of them moved an"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "inch. And from somewhere out in the fog"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "came a sound. It was this high-pitched"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "wine. It was thin, sustained, but it had"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "no direction. And it wasn't coming from"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "the left or the right. It was just in"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "the air all around them, filling up the"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "fog. And whatever composure these five"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "boys had left, it broke all at once."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "Nobody took a vote or made a plan. And"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "in a total panic, they grabbed swim"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "fins, they pulled them on, and they went"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "over the side. Now, Brian said that when"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "he hit the water, the surface around"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "them was covered in this kind of brown"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "crusty slime floating in patches in"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "these uneven clusters as far into the"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "fog as he could see. Their only goal was"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "safety, and so they swam for the"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "Massachusetts. Because at the time the"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "wreck was the only solid thing anywhere"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "out there. Get to the wreck. Get up out"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "of the water. And so Brian and Eric"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "pulled out front. Brad, Warren, and"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "Larry fell in somewhere behind them. As"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "if as if things couldn't get worse. The"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "conditions turned again. The fog was"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "thinning a little, but the rain was"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "coming back, and it was getting darker"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "by the minute, and the waves were now"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "picking back up. Now, keep in mind,"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "these boys had already been fighting the"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "Gulf for hours by this point. They were"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "cramping. They were exhausted. All this"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "before it even started. And so they're"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "swimming on nothing. And then from"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "behind Brian came sounds, splashing,"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "hissing, and then a scream. Now Brian"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "said the scream went on for maybe 30"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "seconds. And then Warren's voice"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "somewhere back in the dark shouting that"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "something had Brad. It's got Brad. It's"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "got Brad. And then his voice cut off in"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "the middle of the sentence. It just"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "stopped. Brian screamed back toward the"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "sound. He called for Warren. He called"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "for Brad, but there was no answer or any"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "sounds. So, Larry caught up to Brian and"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "Eric right around then, and the three of"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "them kept swimming. This next part to me"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "might be the most chilling detail"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "because at some point, and Brian could"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "never say when, he realized that Larry"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "wasn't there anymore. There was no"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "sounds. There was no screaming or"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "calling for help. He was simply gone."}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "And now it was just two of them. Brian"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "never even got to know the moment it"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "happened. Now that it was just Brian and"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "Eric, Eric was a little ways ahead of"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "him. Both of them were swimming as hard"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "as their bodies had left in them. And"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "that's when the lightning started. The"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "first flash lit up everything for a"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "second. And in it, Brian saw the"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "Massachusetts. It was right there. They"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "were very close. They were going to make"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "it. And in the second flash, Brian saw"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "Eric just short of the wreck. And he's"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "almost there. And right beside Eric, the"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "shape came up out of the water again."}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "And this time it wasn't a silhouette in"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "the fog 40 ft away. In the lightning,"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "Brian saw clearly a long neck rising up"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "over his friend and he saw two small"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "eyes and then the mouth opened up and it"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "tipped forward and came down on top of"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "Eric and both Eric and this thing went"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "under the surface together and neither"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "came back up. Now keep in mind this is"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "Brian's own account published under his"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "name describing what he says he watched"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "happen to his friend. Brian began to"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "full-on disassociate and panic. He said"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "his insides were shaking in a way he"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "could not control and he swam. And he"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "didn't know which direction to swim in,"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "and he couldn't say for how long either"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "because at some point his memory just"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "stops. And in fact, when he gave his"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "account, he described it like a tape"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "running out and his next memory is"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "waking up in the dark sand. He's on the"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "beach and up off the beach, there's an"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "old concrete gun imp placement. And so"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "out of exhaustion and in a state of"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "delirium, he dragged himself inside and"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "he collapsed. And then he slept. And the"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "next thing he knew, it was daylight and"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "he tried to climb down, but he was so"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "beaten and exhausted his legs gave out"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "and he fell into the sand and he crawled"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "as far as he could and then he passed"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "out again. And that folks is where they"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "found him, face down on the beach at the"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "western tip of the Santa Rosa Island at"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "about 7:45 on a Sunday morning. And now"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "you know why. when that helicopter crew"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "rolled him over. It took the boy so long"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "to even say his own name. That according"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "to Brian is the exact story he told EE"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "McGovern from his hospital bed and the"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "reporters heard and decided that it was"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "better left unmentioned."}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "However, there are several problems with"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "Brian's account. This version of events"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "did not exist anywhere publicly until"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "1965 when Brian published it himself in"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "a magazine called Fate, which I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "many of you out there know what Fate is,"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "it specialized in exactly this kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "strange, unexplained story. And even"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "though I'm sure that there's a lot of"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "genuine accounts in that magazine, and"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "unfortunately, a lot of people view it"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "as so fringe and cheesy that they"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "outright dismiss anything from it. For 3"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "years, the only version on record"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "anywhere was drowning. Brian's"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "explanation is that it was all told in"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "1962 and deliberately, folks, kept out"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "of print. And maybe it was, but there's"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "really no way to prove it. The second"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "problem is a lot harder to get around,"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "and that's the weather. Because the"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "official records for Pensacola on"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "Saturday, March 24th of 1962 show a high"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "of around 65°. There's no recorded"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "precipitation, fog, or winds under 13"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "miles per hour. Now, the third problem"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "is Brian. He was 16. He spent more than"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "12 hours in cold open water. He was"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "already hypothermic. He was in shock and"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "was so exhausted that he was running on"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "pure adrenaline. And not long after, he"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "suffered a complete nervous breakdown."}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "So, you have to ask, could his mind have"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "built this? A shape in the mist he"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "couldn't identify? A sound he had no"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "name for? I mean, maybe in his trauma"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "and delirium and exhaustion, his mind"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "kind of just built this framework to"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "hold the unbearable fact that four of"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "his friends died around him and drowned"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "and he couldn't save any of them. The"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "only theory that people can point to as"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "far as the creature is that they saw a"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "whale feeding at the surface. Their"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "argument is that these whales at the"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "surface can, at least from certain"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "angles, look a lot like a neck standing"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "up out of the water. Whales produce"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "high-pitched sounds. A feeding whale can"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "surround itself with a powerful stench"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "of fish. And with mist hanging over the"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "surface from its blow hole, right? I"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "mean, an animal that size surfacing and"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "rolling right next to swimmers who are"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "already cramping and hypothermic. I"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "mean, well, they could collide with an"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "exhausted child or pull them under"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "without ever meaning to. Now, obviously,"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "something very real happened out there"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "that completely traumatized Brian. I"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "mean, even until the day he passed away"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "on February 24th of 2016 at 70 years"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "old, he firmly stood by what happened to"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "him. I mean, guys, I I can't help but"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "think that he was telling the truth and,"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "you know, not wanting to cause mass"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "panic, news outlets at the time"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "published a alternative safe story to"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "kind of cover up. But unfortunately,"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "we'll probably never learn the truth."}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "Rest in peace, Brian and the four"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "friends who never got to return home"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "that day. And because you guys made it"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "this far, I want you to all comment down"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "below Pensacola. So that way I know who"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "made it to the end and who didn't. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "In 1963, the University of Virginia"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "began a study on a set of identical"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "siblings known as the Pollock twins. The"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "official record claimed that they had"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "found clean clinical proof of"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "reincarnation, but decades later, the"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "family fractured, and they quietly"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "released a split testimony that changed"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "everything we know about the case. In"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "this episode, I'll show you the physical"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "evidence that even a family hoax could"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "not explain. You won't want to miss this"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "one. On the morning of October 4th of"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "1958, a woman named Florence Pollock lay"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "in labor in her home in the northern"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "English town of Hexom. The midwife was"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "already in the room, but Florence's"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "husband, John, was not. Jon had headed"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "out on his milk round that morning,"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "leaving Florence with their midwife for"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "the seventh delivery. Now, the pregnancy"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "had been pretty normal. Florence's"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "doctor had checked her regularly,"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "hearing a single heartbeat each time and"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "assuring her that there was just one"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "baby on the way. Neither side of the"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "family had any history of twins. So, as"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "the contractions intensified, Florence"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "expected a routine delivery, a quiet"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "addition to a house that had known too"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "much quiet. The first baby arrived"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "without complications. It was a girl."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "The midwife cut the cord and set to work"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "cleaning the newborn. But then"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "contractions started again. And it"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "wasn't the placenta. Florence was still"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "in labor. And a few minutes later, the"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "midwife delivered a second baby girl."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "They were twins. Florence was beyond"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "stunned. Even the midwife had no"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "explanation because in the streets of"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "Hexom, a friend of a family tracked Jon"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "down on his milk float to deliver the"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "news. But Jon did not look surprised. He"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "simply smiled and told his friend that"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "he already knew that she would have"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "twins. Now, when John finally walked"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "into the bedroom later that morning,"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "Florence was cradling the babies in bed."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "And Jon looked down at his new"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "daughter's and his eyes went straight to"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "one of them. Above the baby girl's right"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "eye, near the bridge of her nose, was a"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "thin white mark, and it looked exactly"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "like a scar. This episode is sponsored"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "by Zdoc. Here's a mystery that most of"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "us have lived through. You need a"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "doctor. So, what do you do? You start"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "searching. You're calling offices."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "You're sitting there on hold forever"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "just wondering if they even take your"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "insurance. And for whatever reason,"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "nobody seems to know the answer. And so,"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "weeks pass, the appointment never"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "materializes, and you're stuck. Now,"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "I've investigated stranger cases, but"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "few this common. 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Go to"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "zdock.com/beneath"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "and download the Zachdoc app for free."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "Thanks again, Zdoc, for sponsoring"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "today's video."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "Though the baby had only been alive for"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "an hour, Jon stared at the forehead mark"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "for a long time. And even Florence"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "watched him, unable to really read his"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "expression. It was not concern or"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "surprise. It looked like recognition,"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "like he was looking at something that he"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "had been expecting to see all along. The"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "midwife pointed out another mark on the"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "same baby, a round dark brown spot on"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "the left side of her wrist. Florence"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "noted both markings, but tried to brush"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "them off. I mean, babies were born with"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "all sorts of spots that faded in weeks."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "She just wanted to enjoy the quiet"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "happiness of the room and hoping that"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "this would mark the beginning of a very"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "peaceful stretch for her family. But the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "undercurrent between her and John would"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "not go away because months before the"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "pregnancy, John had told her with"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "absolute certainty that she was going to"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "have twins. He had not guessed it,"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "folks. He had declared it. Florence, of"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "course, tried to ignore it. John had"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "been spending his nights alone in his"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "study, reading books that went far"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "beyond their Catholic faith. He had"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "developed a strange spiritualistic idea"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "that Florence found very unsettling,"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "even offensive. She told him repeatedly"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "to keep those thoughts to himself, and"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "for a while he did. They named the girls"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "Jillian and Jennifer. And for the first"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "few months, the house was a very happy"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "home. But Florence could still feel the"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "weight of Jon's quiet knowing stare"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "every time he looked at Jennifer's"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "forehead. And she just didn't get it."}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "There was something strange going on,"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "obviously. Now, when the twins were 6"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "months old, Florence got the change she"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "wanted. The family had left Hexom and"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "relocated 30 miles east to Whitley Bay,"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "which is a coastal town where they set"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "up a small grocery shop. It was a new"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "home and a fresh start far from the"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "memories Florence wanted to leave"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "behind. John continued his milk round,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "but his growing eccentricity and long"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "hours in the study remained an"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "exhausting presence in the house. Now,"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "for a while though, the shop did well"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "and life was quiet. But then strange"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "things began. When the girls were three,"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "Florence brought down a box of"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "handme-down toys that had been sealed in"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "the attic for years. She set it on the"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "living room rug and opened it in front"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "of the girls. The twins reached in"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "immediately, and both girls zeroed in on"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "two specific dolls. Jennifer pointed to"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "one, naming it Mary, and Jillian grabbed"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "the other, calling it Susan. Now,"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "Florence froze because those were the"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "exact names of the dolls. She had never"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "told the twins those names before, and"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "she knew for a fact that nobody else in"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "the family had either. And yet, both"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "girls had spoken them without a second"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "of hesitation. The girls then divided"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "the rest of the box. There was no"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "fighting, no grabbing, and no"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "negotiation. They split the toys"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "smoothly, as if each item already had an"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "owner. Jillian spotted a small toy"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "clothes ringer. She lit up, calling it"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "her ringer and adding that Santa Claus"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "had brought it to her. Jennifer nodded,"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "adding that Santa had brought her doll"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "as well. That evening, Florence told Jon"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "about the toys, but of course, Jon"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "nodded. He told Florence that he had"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "warned her that this would happen. And"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "she heard this, her stomach tightened"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "up, and she just told him to stop. She"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "did not want to hear whatever he was"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "hinting at. But you see, the dolls were"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "only the beginning because over the next"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "year, both girls developed a severe"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "specific terror of cars. They would not"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "cross the street unless they were"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "gripping Florence's hands, their small"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "bodies tensing up at the side of any"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "vehicle. One afternoon, the twins were"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "playing in the narrow alley behind the"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "house, and there was a car parked"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "further down the lane. And when the"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "driver returned and started the engine,"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "the noise alone set the girls off. And"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "so John heard the screaming from inside"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "the house. And so he ran out to help,"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "thinking that something terrible had"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "just taken place. And he looked and he"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "found the twins huddled in the corner of"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "the alley, clinging to each other. And"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "they're crying and they're sobbing. And"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "he starts looking around and the only"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "thing he could really see is the car off"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "in the distance, but the car had never"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "been anywhere near them. So, he's"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "thinking that the car, the driver did"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "something, but it's pulling away in the"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "opposite direction. Now, after that, the"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "phobia followed them into their sleep."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "The twins begin having nightmares about"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "being hit by a car, screaming that the"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "car was coming to get them, but they did"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "not say a car. They said the car,"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "speaking of it, as if it had personal"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "intent. And then there was a particular"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "afternoon when Florence was walking down"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "the hall when she had noticed that the"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "twins were playing quietly. Now,"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "normally they were kind of loud and"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "rambunctious. Their voices would pretty"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "much fill the house, but she stopped in"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "the doorway and she looked inside."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "Jennifer was lying flat on the floor and"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "Jillian was sitting beside her, cradling"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "her head in her lap, gently kind of"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "stroking her hair and speaking very"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "softly. Florence immediately just stood"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "there and she listened and she could"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "hear that Jillian was telling Jennifer"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "that the blood was coming out of her"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "eyes and that was where the car had hit"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "her. Florence immediately stood still"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "and the color just drained from her"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "face. This was obviously not a normal"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "game and was not a child's dark"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "imagination. Florence knew exactly what"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "Jillian was describing. On a separate"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "day, Jillian pointed directly to the"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "thin birthark on Jennifer's forehead,"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "right near the bridge of her nose. And"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "she said matterof factly that it was the"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "mark Jennifer got when she fell on a"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "bucket. But Florence knew with absolute"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "certainty that Jennifer never even fell"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "on a bucket. She had never been injured"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "that way. There was no scar there at"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "all. It was just a birthark. Florence"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "watched her daughters, you know, her"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "skin crawling, wondering whose memory"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "Jillian was carrying. When the twins"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "turned four, Jon decided that it was"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "time to make a trip back to Hexom. But"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "of course, Florence resisted the idea."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "The twins had left the town when they"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "were only 6 months old, which is too"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "young to have ever formed a single"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "memory of its streets. And since their"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "birth, John had packed all old family"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "photographs into a drawer. And both"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "parents had made a very deliberate,"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "quiet decision never to discuss their"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "past with the girls. They even told"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "their older sons to keep quiet, and the"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "boys had complied. Now, as far as the"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "twins were concerned, Hexom was just a"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "name. When they arrived in the town,"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "they started walking down the street,"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "and they were heading right towards St."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "Mary's Church. Florence watched her"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "daughter point toward a building that"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "was completely hidden around the corner,"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "entirely out of sight from where they"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "stood. Jillian announced that it was the"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "school that they used to go to, that it"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "was St. Mary's Church school. Of course,"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "Florence didn't say anything, and the"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "twins just kept walking. And as they"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "turned the street, they pointed directly"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "at the Pock family's old house,"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "identifying it without a moment's"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "hesitation. Then the twins began tugging"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "at Florence's hands and they asked if"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "they can go play on the swings of the"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "park. Florence kind of nervously looked"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "at Jon and the park swings were also"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "around a corner hidden behind buildings."}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "Now what's strange is that the twins had"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "never been taken there. And yet they"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "seemed to know exactly where the"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "playground was and how to reach it. As"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "they watched the girls run toward the"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "swings, Jon remained silent, but his"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "face carried the look of a man who had"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "expected this all along. Back in Whitley"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "Bay, more details emerged. Jillian"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "walked with a splayfooted gate, her feet"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "pointing outward while Jennifer did not."}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "And when Jennifer sat at the kitchen"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "table to draw, she held her pencil in a"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "tight upright fist. It was very specific"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "and awkward. She did not hold a pencil"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "properly until she was seven. And even"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "as she grew older, she would slip back"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "into that kind of tight fist grip. And"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "both twins loved combing Jon's hair,"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "spending hours working on it together."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "And whenever they visited their maternal"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "grandmother, the twins would gravitate"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "toward her for comfort and guidance. You"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "know, bypassing Florence, even when she"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "was right there, Florence simply could"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "not ignore the details anymore. In 1963,"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "a psychiatrist named Dr. Ian Stevenson"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "arrived in Hexom from the University of"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "Virginia. Stevenson was not your average"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "academic either. He had spent years"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "traveling the world, particularly across"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "South Asia, studying young children who"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "appeared to remember past lives. But"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "most of his strongest cases had come"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "from cultures where the idea of"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "reincarnation was already a deeply held"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "belief which left Western academics"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "pretty skeptical and they argued that"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "family expectations and cultural"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "pressure were shaping the children's"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "stories. Nothing more than that. So when"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "Stevenson read newspaper reports about a"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "workingclass English family with no"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "belief in reincarnation"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "experiencing these exact events, well,"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "he immediately travel there to see it"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "for himself. He sat in the Pix living"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "room when the twins were four years old,"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "interviewing John and Florence at"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "length. But Stevenson's focus quickly"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "turned from their stories to the"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "physical evidence. He examined"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "Jennifer's markings. Above her right"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "eye, he found a thin white line that"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "looked exactly like a surgical scar. And"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "on her left wrist, he observed a dark"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "brown round spot. This is where it gets"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "interesting. A year and a half before"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "the twins were ever born, John and"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "Florence had two daughters named Joanna"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "and Jacqueline. When Jacqueline was"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "three, she had fallen off of her bicycle"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "in the garden, you know, hitting her"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "head on a metal bucket. The gash had"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "required stitches and left a permanent"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "scar in the exact spot where Jennifer's"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "birthmark now sat. Jacqueline also had a"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "dark brown birthark on her left wrist,"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "matching Jennifer's mark in size and"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "location. As Stevenson reviewed the"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "files, he looked at the reports of the"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "accident that happened before the twins"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "were ever born. On the morning of"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "Sunday, May 7th of 1957,"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "11-year-old Joanna and six-year-old"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "Jacqueline were walking to church in"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "Hexom, handinhand with their"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "nine-year-old friend Anthony. They were"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "only a few hundred yards from their home"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "at most, when a motorist named Marjorie"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "Win crossed into the opposite lane,"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "mounted the sidewalk, and drove along"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "the pavement. The sidewalk was bordered"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "by a high wall, leaving the children no"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "room to escape. Both girls were struck"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "and killed instantly and Anthony died on"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "the way to the hospital. Marjgerie Wyn"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "had gotten behind the wheel in a"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "half-conscious state after a attempt at"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "her own life. When Jon had gone to"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "identify his daughter's bodies, Jacine's"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "head had been wrapped in bandages"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "covering the impact wound just above her"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "right eye. Stevenson noted the physical"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "details with clinical precision, and he"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "verified that Jillian and Jennifer were"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "identical twins sharing the same DNA."}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "Now, genetically, there was no"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "explanation for why only one twin would"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "carry these markings because under"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "ordinary circumstances, identical twins"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "share all physical traits. If one had a"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "birthark, both should have it. But"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "that's not the case here. And as"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "Stevenson connected the twins behaviors"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "to the records, the patterns he saw were"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "clear. The swings in the Hexon Park were"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "where Joanna and Jacqueline had spent a"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "lot of their afternoons. St. Mary's"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "Church school was in fact the school"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "that they had attended, and they were"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "walking towards St. Mary's Church when"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "the accident happened. It gets stranger"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "because Jillian's playfooted gate"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "matched Joanna's walking style."}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "Jennifer's fisted pencil grip also"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "matched Jacquine's habits, which her"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "teacher had notoriously tried to correct"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "multiple times before her death. Both"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "sisters also loved combing their"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "father's hair, and both had preferred"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "their grandmother's company over their"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "mothers. Most disturbingly is that Jon's"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "own behavior aligned with his"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "conviction. After the twins were born,"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "Jon never once visited Joanna and"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "Jacqueline's graves. He would tell"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "Florence that the headstones were"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "meaningless because the girls were now"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "in the house. Now, before the twins"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "arrived, John had claimed he could feel"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "the girl's presence in a very specific"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "room, and he would spend hours sitting"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "quietly in there. Once the twins were"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "born, the feeling had vanished"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "completely. Stevenson spent the next two"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "decades tracking the family, documenting"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "their lives as the twins grew into"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "adulthood, and he acknowledged the"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "case's primary weakness, that John"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "Pollock's fervent belief in"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "reincarnation meant that the main"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "narrator was not neutral, and most of"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "the girls childhood behaviors had been"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "witnessed only by the parents. But to"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "Stephvenson, the physical birth marks on"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "identical twins remained one of the most"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "compelling pieces of evidence that he"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "had ever seen. By the time the twins had"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "reached their 8th birthdays, their"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "memories had faded completely, which"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "matches the pattern that Steven had"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "observed previously in hundreds of cases"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "around the world. As adults, Jillian and"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "Jennifer remembered nothing of their"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "dead sisters. And to this day, it's just"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "this strange verified medical mystery."}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "But folks, you might think that this is"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "where the story ends, but that's not the"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "case. You see, decades later, a team"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "producing the Apple podcast Extra"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "Sensory set out to track down the"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "surviving members of the Pollock family."}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "Now, for years, this story remained in"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "Ian Stevenson's research notes, a clean"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "academic mystery. But when the producers"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "located John's granddaughters, Lisa and"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "Joanna, a very different history of the"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "family emerged. You see, the"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "granddaughters did not carry the"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "memories of a miracle. They carried the"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "memory of a household that had been"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "very, very tense. Cuz Lisa described"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "John as this cold, strict, and very"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "distant man who created a very"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "uncomfortable environment. Whenever he"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "entered a room, the children had to kind"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "of creep around the house and remain"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "completely silent when he was home. The"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "granddaughters explained that Jon was"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "controlling and at times physically"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "aggressive toward his wife, Florence."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "When Jon got aggressive, the kids would"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "they would, you know, they'd get scared"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "and they'd go run and hide in the"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "playroom, waiting for all the commotion"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "and screaming to stop. According to"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "Joanna, Florence had told family members"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "in private that she believed the entire"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "reincarnation story was nonsense. And"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "she confessed that Jon had pressured"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "her, utilizing his controlling nature to"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "force her into publicly supporting this"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "narrative that he had designed. When"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "Florence died of a sudden heart attack"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "in the early 1980s at the age of 57, the"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "family fell apart. John remarried within"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "a single year and then he sold the"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "family home, leaving Florence's elderly"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "mother without anywhere to live. Of"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "course, Jon's older sons resented him"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "deeply for it, and even their contact"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "with their sisters wasn't really great"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "either. But even the older boys refused"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "to ever discuss the reincarnation story."}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "John eventually died of a heart attack"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "in 1985 and sadly Jillian passed away in"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "2002 at the age of 44 which means that"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "the remaining links to this era were"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "pretty much severed. However, the"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "podcast producers did not stop with the"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "granddaughters. They also tracked down"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "Jennifer Pollock, the surviving twin who"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "agreed to sit for her first interview in"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "40 years. Now to Jennifer, this was not"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "the man she remembered. She described a"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "completely different man. She remembered"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "her father as a deeply loving, caring"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "man who doted on his daughters,"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "constantly inviting them into his study"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "to talk and just trying to spend every"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "possible moment in their company. She"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "had never witnessed him raise a hand to"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "Florence, and she had no recollection of"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "her parents ever arguing in front of"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "them, let alone violently. Now, of"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "course, she admitted that her father"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "wasn't perfect, acknowledging, you know,"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "he was capable of personal deceptions,"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "but she was emphatic about his honesty"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "regarding the reincarnation. And so, she"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "told the producers that Jon would never"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "make up lies and that she believed what"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "he reported was the absolute truth as he"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "understood it. He had been a genuine"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "believer in spiritualism and had never"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "once wavered in his conviction that the"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "twins carried the souls of his dead"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "daughters. Jennifer confirmed that she"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "and Jillian had not learned the story of"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "their dead sisters until they were well"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "into their teens. Even now, the physical"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "markings remained. Jennifer confirmed"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "that her birth marks were still faintly"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "visible and the car phobia had never"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "fully vanished either. She still"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "disliked being near vehicles. She still"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "confirmed that she had a spfooted"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "walking style and that she had struggled"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "to unlearn the pencil grip. When the"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "interviewer asked Jennifer directly"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "whether she believed that she was a"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "reincarnated soul, she said that she was"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "about 80% sure that she believed there"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "had to be something there and she was"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "convinced Jillian's spirit was still"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "with her, hearing her sister's voice"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "comforting her during her lowest"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "moments. Now, to Jennifer, the physical"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "evidence was the one thing Jon's"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "personality could never explain. And"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "there was one last memory. In 1981, when"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "Jillian was 22, she had approached her"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "father, describing a vivid inner vision"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "that she simply couldn't explain. She"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "saw herself as a very young child"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "playing in a sand pit surrounded by a"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "garden, lawns, and orchards. and she"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "described the layout of the house in"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "perfect detail, asking Jon where this"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "place was. Jon knew immediately. The"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "house Jillian described matched a home"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "the Pollocks had lived in years earlier"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "in a town called Wickham. Joanna had"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "been younger than four when they lived"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "there, but Jillian had never been there,"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "but somehow she remembered it. Now,"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "personally speaking, I don't believe in"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "reincarnation, but then you run across"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "cases like this that are just truly"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "bizarre and it's it's strange. And"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "ultimately, folks, all of it, it remains"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "a mystery. And because you guys made it"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "this far, I want you to all comment down"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "below Pollock twins, so that way I know"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "who made it to the end and who didn't."}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "And if you guys enjoy storytelling like"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "this, where we deep dive into strange"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "cases of the mysterious and"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "supernatural, what are you waiting for?"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "Smack that like and subscribe button"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "right now for more content just like"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "this. And never forget, I love you all."}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "Keep an open mind and I'll see you guys"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "in the very next episode."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "In 1885, a 50 cent pamphlet went on sale"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "in Virginia claiming a fortune in gold"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "was buried in Bedford County, and it"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "printed the three pages of coded numbers"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "that were guarding it. One page has been"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "cracked. It lists the gold down to the"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "pound. The other two have never given up"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "a single word. Not to supercomputers are"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "the greatest codereaker America ever"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "produced. In this episode, I'll show you"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "the one question about this treasure"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "that nobody has ever been able to"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "answer. You won't want to miss this one."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "One morning in the spring of 1822,"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "a 44year-old inkeeper named Robert"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "Morris was working the front room of his"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "hotel in Lynchburg, Virginia, when one"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "of his long-term guest came up to him"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "carrying a locked iron box. Now, Morris"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "knew this guest pretty well by this"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "point, or at least he thought he did."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Though, Robert Morris ran a place called"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "the Washington Hotel located on Church"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "Street. And he hadn't always been, you"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "know, an inkeeper. He'd actually made"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "his money in the tobacco trade. And for"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "a while, he did very well. He actually"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "put up the first brick building the town"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "had ever seen. But then, some bad"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "investments had wiped him out"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "completely, and he had to start over"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "from nothing. The hotel was the start"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "over and it worked because whatever else"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "Morris had lost, he had never lost his"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "reputation. People trusted him. Judges,"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "politicians, prominent families, all of"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "them stayed at his place. And he was"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "known across the state as one of the"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "most honest men in all of Virginia. The"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "guest with the box was a man named"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "Thomas J. Beal. Now, Beiel had first"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "shown up at a hotel a couple of years"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "earlier in January of 1820 along with"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "two companions. The companion stayed"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "about a week and then they moved on. But"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "he stayed the entire winter and became"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "maybe the most popular guest the hotel"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "had ever had. Women adored him. Men"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "respected him. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "But there was this edge under all that"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "charm. He was also kind of a mysterious"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "guy. For all that presence, he never"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "said one word about himself, nor did he"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "ever mention a family or where he came"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "from or what he did. He simply just"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "signed the hotel register as being from"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "Virginia and that was it. In late March"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "of 1820, Beal left with the same two"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "companions and for almost 2 years there"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "was no word. But in January of 1822, he"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "walked back in the door, more weathered"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "and darker than before. And he stayed"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "the rest of the winter. And right before"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "leaving, he came to Morris with the box."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "It was iron and it was locked. And when"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "Morris took it, it was heavier than he"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "expected. And so Beiel told him that it"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "held valuable and very important papers."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "So he asked Morris to keep it safe until"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "he came back for it. Morris didn't think"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "twice because this was normal. Inkeepers"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "often held things for guests all the"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "time like money or documents. And so he"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "agreed and he put the box away somewhere"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "secure. That was the last time that"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "Robert Morris ever saw him. Now, a few"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "months later, a letter arrived at the"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "hotel addressed to Morris. It had been"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "mailed from St. Louis, and it was from"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "Beal. Most of it read like an ordinary"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "letter from a traveling man. Beal wrote"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "that he was heading back out west and"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "that he expected to be gone at least 2"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "years, probably longer. But when the"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "letter got to the subject of the box,"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "the tone changed. He described the"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "papers inside of it as vitally"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "important, not just to his own fortunes,"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "but to those of many other people. And"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "that line immediately stopped Morris."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "He'd figured the box held deeds or maybe"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "money papers. If Beal did not return and"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "nobody showed up with his authority to"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "claim the box, Morris was instructed to"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "wait 10 years and then open it. And"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "inside he would find letters addressed"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "to him that would explain all of it. But"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "there would also be other papers in the"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "box. And those, Beal wrote, [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "would be impossible to make sense of on"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "their own. For that, a friend of his in"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "St. Louis would be mailing Morris a"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "special key. Not a key to a lock,"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "though. It would be something to make"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "the papers readable. It was already"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "sealed and addressed, and it would"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "arrive by June of 1832. So, Beal closed"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "by saying that he hoped the two of them"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "would see each other again, long before"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "any of this mattered. So, Morris put the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "letter away and went back to running his"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "hotel. No more letters ever came, not"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "from Beiel or anyone connected to him."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "And in June of 1832, no key arrived from"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "St. Louis. See, Morris could have opened"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "the box right then. The 10 years were"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "up. That was the arrangement. But he"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "couldn't bring himself to do it. And"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "part of it was loyalty. I mean, opening"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "that box felt like declaring Thomas Beal"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "dead. And Morris had liked the man far"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "too much to do that on a calendar date."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "Now, part of it was hope because the"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "letter said Beiel himself might still"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "come for it or send someone with his"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "authority. And who is to say the key"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "wasn't just delayed. Underneath both of"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "those, there was always next year. Now"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "and then over those years, stories would"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "come east. A party lost on the plains."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "You know, an attack on men who'd gone"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "west and never come home. And you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "Morris listened for Beiel's name in all"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "of them, but it never came up. And in"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "1845, so 23 years after Beal walked out"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "of his hotel, Morris decided he had"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "waited long enough. He had the lock"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "broken. And inside, sitting on top, were"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "two letters that were addressed to him."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "Underneath those were several loose"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "sheets of paper. So Morris lifted them"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "out. And the first thing he saw was"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "numbers. Every sheet was covered in"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "them, edge to edge, top to bottom,"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "hundreds of them to a page long rows of"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "figures running line after line. Three"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "separate sheets. And on nowhere, on any"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "of them, was there a single word of"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "explanation. So he turned the pages"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "over. He held them up to the light and"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "he ran his eye down the rose looking for"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "anything that repeated or anything that"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "behaved like words, but he couldn't make"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "sense of it. Whatever these were, they"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "weren't accounts and they were not"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "arithmetic. They could have been"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "anything like a code, a ledger,"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "gibberish, who knows? So Morris set the"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "pages aside, picked up the first letter,"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "and he unfolded it. Now, the first thing"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "Morris noticed was the writing that the"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "letter was written in. It was clean. It"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "was easy, classy, educated. I mean, for"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "a man who'd spent his years under open"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "sky like Beal, he wrote like a scholar."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "And the letter opened with something"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "that Morris did not expect. That winter"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "back in 1820, the whole long comfortable"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "stay that had made Beal everybody's"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "favorite guest had not been a social"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "visit. It had been a test. Beal wrote"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "that his associates had sent him to"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "Lynchberg for one purpose, to take the"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "measure of Robert Morris. Now, for the"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "better part of three months, Beal had"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "watched the way that Morris ran his"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "business and treated people under his"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "roof and, you know, handled trouble when"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "it came. And so, when he finally wrote"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "out that march, he'd carried a report"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "back to his men that Morris was their"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "man. They put it a vote, and the vote"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "was unanimous. Men he'd never met"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "weighed him and decided that Robert"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "Morris was the most trustworthy man they"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "could possibly find. Then Beal told him"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "why they needed one. You see, in 1817,"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "Beiel had put together a company of"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "about 30 men, gentlemen, most of them"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "well off for what they amounted to a"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "very long hunting trip. They wanted"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "buffalo and grizzly bears and a couple"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "of years of adventure on the plains"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "before they settled down. And so they"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "drew up rules like a militia. They"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "elected Beiel, their captain, and every"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "man pledged two years to the company."}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "And in May of 1817, they left St. Louis"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "with a guide and supplies. And by that"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "December, they had reached Santa Fe,"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "where they meant to sit out the winter."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "But apparently in Santa Fe, they got"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "bored. And in early spring, a handful of"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "men rode north out of town to hunt and"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "scout the country. The plan was a few"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "days. They were gone more than a month,"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "long enough that the rest of the company"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "was, you know, they were talking about"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "search parties. And then two of the"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "missing men came riding back in with"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "news that nobody was ready for. They had"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "been following an enormous herd of"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "buffalo north, deeper and deeper into"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "the rough country when one of them"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "noticed something in a crack in the"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "rock, a kind of glint that caught the"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "light the way that rock doesn't. And so"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "he worked it loose and he turned it over"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "in his hand. And wouldn't you know it,"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "it was gold. After that, everything"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "changed. Beal rode north with the rest"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "of the company. He saw the place for"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "himself and the buffalo hunt was over"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "for good. Now for the next 18 months,"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "those 30 men worked the site, a spot"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "Beal put at roughly 250 to 300 m north"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "of Santa Fe. And they pulled gold out of"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "the ground by the thousands of pounds,"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "which left them with a problem. They"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "were sitting on a fortune in wild"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "country, a long way from any law. So"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "keeping it at the site was dangerous."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "Men got killed for far less. So, the"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "company argued it out and some wanted to"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "bank it in Santa Fe, but others said the"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "only safe ground for it was back east"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "and the treasure would go home to"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "Virginia under Beiel's charge into the"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "ground in Bedford County, country every"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "man in the company knew and could find"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "his way back to. Beal made the trip"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "twice. The first load went into the"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "ground in November of 1819. the second."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "More gold, more silver followed in"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "December of 1821 where both went into"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "the same spot, a vault the men had dug"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "and finished for exactly this purpose."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "And then before leaving Virginia that"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "last time, Beiel did one more thing. He"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "took three sheets of paper and he wrote"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "out three messages, each in a code of"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "numbers. The first gave the exact"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "location of the vault. The second was a"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "full accounting of everything in it. And"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "the third listed the names of all 30 men"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "and their next of kin so that if the"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "worst happened, what was in the ground"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "could be handed to the right families."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "The letter ended with an instruction. If"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "Beal and his men never came back, Morris"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "was to recover the treasure and see it"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "divided among the families. And for his"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "trouble, one share of it, a full 31st of"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "everything was his to keep. And so he"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "asked Morris not to let false modesty"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "talk him out of it. Morris put the"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "letter down and for 23 years he'd"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "guessed deeds, maybe money papers. What"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "he had actually been guarding was the"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "location of buried fortune and the last"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "will of 30 missing men. And so he"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "gathered the sheets back up and that's"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "when he started looking for a way in."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "Morris went at those pages for years. He"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "was an inkeeper, not a scholar, and he"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "knew it. But he copied the numbers over"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "and he counted them. He tried anything"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "that might turn numbers into words, but"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "nothing gave. And he didn't tell"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "anybody. He carried the secret alone for"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "17 years. And in that time, he lost his"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "wife. She died away from home at the"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "house of a family friend. By 1862, he"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "was 84. And he knew he was simply"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "running out of time. Whatever those"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "pages held, he was not going to be the"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "one to crack them, unfortunately. So, he"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "picked a man, a friend he'd known for"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "years, a younger man that he trusted"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "completely. And over a series of private"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "meetings behind closed doors, Morris"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "laid the entire thing out for the first"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "time in 40 years. Everything that Beal"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "had asked of him and everything he had"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "failed to do. Then he asked his friend"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "to take it, to pick up where he'd"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "failed, and to see that 30 families got"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "what rightfully belonged to them. The"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "young man, of course, said yes, cuz he"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "was very ecstatic by this. And so,"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "unfortunately, Robert Morris died in"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "1863 without ever reading one line of"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "Bele's numbers. Now, as for this new"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "young man, he dove in head first. That"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "maybe each number stood for a letter,"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "one for A, two for B, and so on. through"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "every variation he could think of and it"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "gave him nothing but nonsense. But then"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "he landed on a better idea. What if each"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "number pointed to a word, a specific"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "word in some existing document? Now"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "count your way to that word and take its"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "first letter and do it again all the way"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "down the page. The letters would spell a"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "message. If that was the system, the"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "numbers weren't the puzzle at all. All"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "he had to do was find the right book. So"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "the friend began numbering books. He'd"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "take a text, number every word in it,"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "and run this sheets of numbers against"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "it. And he's looking for words to come"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "out the other side. He tried book after"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "book, gibberish every single time. But"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "somewhere in there, the thing got its"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "hooks into him. Every failed book felt"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "like it might be the second to last"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "book. And every run of letters that"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "almost made a word told him that he was"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "close. And so months of that turned into"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "years and the chase started taking over"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "his regular life. And so at some point"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "in those years, he just numbered the"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "words of a document that he must have"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "walked past 100 times, the Declaration"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "of Independence. He numbered every word"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "of it one by one. And then he set the"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "sheet of numbers beside it. And he"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "started counting. The first number on"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "the sheet was 115."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "He counted his way all the way to the"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "115th word of the declaration and he"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "wrote down the first letter. I. Okay."}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "The next number gave him an H, then an"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "A, then a V, and then an E. I have. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "he's getting somewhere. So, he kept"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "counting. A few words in, the friend"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "understood what was happening. After all"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "those years, the page was actually"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "talking. The excitement of it washed"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "over him and he made himself keep going"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "one number at a time and he watched a"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "plain English statement build up under"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "his pen. The page basically told him"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "that there was a deposit in Bedford"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "County about 4 miles from a tavern"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "crossroads called Bufords. The deposit"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "sat in a vault 6 ft under the ground"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "lined with stone. Then the message got"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "to what was in the vaults and the friend"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "tallied it out figure by figure in his"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "own handwriting. Now the first load laid"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "down in November of 1819 was 1,14"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "lb of gold and 3,812"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "lb of silver. The second load though in"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "December of 1821 was about 197 more"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "pounds of gold plus jewels bought in St."}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "Louis with silver to save hauling the"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "weight. All of it was packed in iron"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "pots with iron lids. Now, it matched"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "Beiel's letter point for point. And the"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "messages last line pointed him onward."}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "Paper number one, it said, described the"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "exact location of the vault so that no"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "difficulty would be had in finding it."}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "He had cracked the inventory. The"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "location was paper number one, and that"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "paper was still just numbers. So he did"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "the obvious thing and he ran the"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "declaration against the other two pages,"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "but it didn't give him anything. So he"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "realized it was a different book he"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "needed. Maybe two different books and"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "that was fine. He figured because the"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "system was proven now. One page had"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "already shown him the way. Somewhere on"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "a shelf was the right book and he was"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "going to find it. So he went back to"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "numbering. Text after text went up"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "against pages 1 and three. Every"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "document he could think of that a man"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "like Beal might have used. By the time"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "this young man finally looked up from"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "those pages, 20 years had gone by now."}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "And he wasn't a young man anymore. He"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "had steady business. He had money put"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "away. But by the end of it, he was poor."}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "The money he had saved back had gone"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "into the chase. And his family had paid"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "for every year of it. And what he had to"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "show for all of that was just one page"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "about pots of gold that he couldn't"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "find. If he couldn't finish this, he"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "would hand it to the world and let the"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "world try. And so he put everything"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "together as one plain account and he"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "wrote his hope right into its pages that"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "the little book would travel far and"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "wide and that the prize, if it ever was"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "found, would fall to somebody poor and"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "honest. But he also wrote a warning that"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "whoever picked this up next should give"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "it their spare hours and nothing more."}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "What's interesting is that he kept his"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "own name off of it. To get it printed,"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "he handed the entire collection to a"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "local job printer named James B. board"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "and in 1885 it came out a slim pamphlet"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "called the Beal Papers and the whole"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "story start to finish. It didn't take"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "long. Before the 1880s were even done, a"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "party of men from out of state would"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "turn up in Bedford County carrying a"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "copy of the pamphlet and a wagon of"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "tools. And they'd pick a spot, a rock"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "pile or a hollow that seemed to line up"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "with something in the decoded page about"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "the right distance from Bufords. pace it"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "off and put their shovels in the ground"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "and they'd dig for a few days. They'd"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "hit nothing but dirt and rock and they'd"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "go home. And right behind them would"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "come the next party. Sure, the last"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "bunch had just picked the wrong spot."}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "Now, the friend's little book was"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "traveling exactly the way he had hoped,"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "and the farmers of Bedford County were"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "the ones living with it. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "Plenty of them got used to walking out"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "in the morning and, you know, finding"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "fresh holes in their fields dug"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "overnight by people who never asked."}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "That basically never stopped. Not that"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "decade or the next. In 1924, they went"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "through Riverbank Laboratories. Is it"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "laboratories or is it laboratories? You"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "decide. the private outfit that had"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "trained America's first professional"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "codereers and that came back out"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "unsolved. And somewhere in there, they"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "landed on the desk of a man in"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "Washington named William Freriedman."}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "Every so often over the next 30 years,"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "Freriedman would slide those two sheets"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "back out of his files and just lay them"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "out on his desk and he'd run his newest"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "idea at them. He'd work the idea until"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "he gave up. And months later, out they"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "would come again. William Freriedman was"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "the most famous codereaker in American"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "history. He is the man whose team"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "cracked Japan's diplomatic cipher"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "machine. Thousands of codes crossed his"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "desk over his entire career, and most of"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "them he solved and filed and never"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "thought about twice. But these two pages"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "were the ones he could not figure out."}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "And in all of those years, he never"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "pulled the single word out of either of"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "them. And in late 1960, a man named Carl"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "Hammer started staying late in the"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "computer room at Sperry UNIVAC, feeding"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "stacks of punch cards into a mainframe."}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "The numbers punched into those cards"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "were bills. Hammer was actually the head"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "of computer science there, one of the"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "biggest computer companies in the entire"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "country. So when the offices would empty"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "out at night, he was sitting alone with"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "the machines. The first run said that"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "the numbers were not random. There was"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "actually structure inside of them,"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "cycles and patterns. So Hammer didn't"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "trust it. Maybe his own test was skewed."}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "So he changed the test and he ran the"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "numbers again and the statistics came"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "back the same way. So maybe the programs"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "had a flaw. I mean, he wrote entirely"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "new ones and then he ran those and the"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "same shape came out of the printer. In"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "1968, he helped found the Beal Cipher"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "Association. Engineers, mathematicians,"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "you know, people who work with"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "computers, all pulling their work on the"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "ciphers and holding symposiums to"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "compare notes. And Hammer kept at it"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "because through the 70s, as machines got"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "faster, he kept putting the pages"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "through them. the better part of a"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "decade of runs and the statistics never"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "once came back different. And so his"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "conclusion went on the record that those"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "two pages probably encoded a real"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "intelligible text. In 1980, a"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "professional cryp analyst named Jim"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "Gilogley sat down with the two unsolved"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "pages and he tried something very"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "simple. Everybody had spent a century"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "hunting for the right key. the book that"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "would do for pages one and three what"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "the Declaration of Independence had done"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "for page two. But he went the other way."}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "He took the one key that was already"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "proven and he ran it against page one,"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "the location page, just to study what"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "came out. If page one was keyed to some"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "other document, the declaration should"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "produce pure garbage. And mostly that's"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "what it produced. But partway into the"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "page, the letters stopped being random."}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "They started coming out in alphabetical"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "order. A B FD E F G H I I J K L M M on"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "and on like that in long runs. He So he"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "stopped and looked at that for a while"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "and then he checked it and he checked it"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "again. The runs were there. So his next"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "thought was coincidence. String enough"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "random letters together and somewhere a"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "few of them will land in order. He did"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "the math on it and for runs this long,"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "the odds of them falling out of a random"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "page by chance came out to less than one"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "in a 100 trillion, which left exactly"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "one explanation he could see. Those runs"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "didn't fall out of the page. They were"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "built into it. Whoever wrote out the"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "numbers on page one had done it with the"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "number declaration sitting in front of"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "them, picking numbers one at a time that"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "walked their letters down the alphabet."}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "In 1982, a researcher named Joe Nickel"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "pulled a stack of old Lynchberg records"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "and went after the Beiel story from a"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "different angle. Not the numbers or the"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "paperwork. His thinking was much more"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "simple. If you strip away the gold and"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "the ciphers and the pamphlet still makes"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "plain checkable claims, the same one"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "that Morris ran the Washington Hotel,"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "the first thing he found was a date"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "sitting in plain ink. Robert Morris"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "didn't take over the Washington Hotel"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "until 1823, not 1820 when Beal"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "supposedly checked in for that long"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "winter. The scene this whole story is"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "founded on, the long winter stay, the"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "test is set in a hotel that wasn't"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "Morris's yet. Now, as told, it couldn't"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "have happened. Then he went to Beiel's"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "letters, the ones dated at 1822, and two"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "words jumped out of them. Stampeding,"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "improvise. Neither one existed in"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "written English in 1822."}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "Stampeding doesn't show up until print"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "until the 1830s. And then came the"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "biggest test. Nickel teamed up with a"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "linguist colleague and the two of them"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "set the story's two voices side by side"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "for the first time. Beal's letters"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "against the anonymous friends narrative."}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "They compared punctuation habits,"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "sentence structure, the way clauses got"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "strung together, and the styles matched."}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "As far as the language could tell,"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "Beiel's letters, and the friend story"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "had come out of the same pen. But"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "underneath all of it was a simple"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "problem. People had gone looking for"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "Thomas Beal himself. Census roles, army"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "list, and land records anywhere a"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "welloff Virginia gentleman of 1817 ought"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "to have left a mark. But no trace of him"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "ever turned up. In fact, the only place"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "that a Thomas J. Beal existed was inside"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "the story. Now, also, James B. Ward, the"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "local job printer who' put the pamphlet"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "out, turned out to be standing a lot"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "closer to the story than a print job."}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "The house where Sarah Morris died, you"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "know, Mr. Morris's wife all those years"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "ago, well, that was Ward's house. So"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "Nickel put it all together and he said"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "it straight out that the Beal papers"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "read like an authored work and Nicholls"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "read even the ruined Nameless Friend was"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "a character. As for what the story was"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "if it wasn't history pointed at its"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "bones, a secret vault, a test of"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "character, a treasure held in trust and"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "called it nothing more than a masonic"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "allegory. And Ward, it turned out, was"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "actually a master mason and had been"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "since 1863,"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "which made Nicholls pick for the"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "likeliest author, the man standing"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "closest to the whole production. What"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "all this basically means is that the"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "pamphlet was never a plea for help. It"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "was a way to make money. The second page"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "still decoded cleanly for anyone who"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "cared to number the declaration and"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "count, and Hammer's machines had never"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "taken back a word of what they found. In"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "February of 1983, two treasure hunters"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "walked into a cemetery in Bedford County"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "after midnight carrying shovels and"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "started digging up a grave. Now, at the"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "time, they had worked out a reading of"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "Beiel's numbers that put the vault"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "exactly underneath somebody's headstone."}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "Now, at the time, they were still in a"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "hole when they got caught, and it cost"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "them a grave desecration charge, a"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "weekend in jail, and a $500 fine. if the"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "decoded page is honest, holds gold worth"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "about $und00 million at today's prices."}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "Nickels paper had been in print for less"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "than a year. Toward the end of the 80s,"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "the hunt went legitimate. A full"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "expedition, landowners permission, a"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "deal to split whatever came up. They"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "took apart the top of Porter's Mountain."}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "All of it gave up was Civil War relics,"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "nothing else. And in the fall of 1989,"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "somebody began quietly buying up land"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "near Goose Creek, which is outside"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "Montil under a name that wasn't his. He"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "wasn't hiding from the law. He was"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "hiding his name because it would have"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "brought half the country's treasure"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "hunters in behind him. That man was Mel"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "Fiser, the most famous treasure hunter"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "alive. He didn't care what scholars had"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "to say about the papers. He came anyway,"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "looking for it, and he dug. but he"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "didn't find anything and then he went"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "home. Now, to this day, two of the three"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "pages have never been fully decoded and"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "the names of the men it belongs to. Now,"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "it's not for a lack of trying because"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "people have run those pages against the"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "Constitution and just a host of other"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "documents, even, you know, pages out of"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "the Bible. Code breakers at the NSA used"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "to pass them around at lunch"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "unofficially just to take their own"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "crack. And as late as 2020, researchers"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "were still publishing statistical"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "studies of Beiel's numbers, but nothing"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "has ever come from it. So that means"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "that this is entirely fabricated or"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "there is a real legitimate treasure"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "buried out there and will hopefully be"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "found one day by somebody who's going to"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "be very lucky. But unfortunately guys,"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "we don't know and many of the experts in"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "the world don't. Guys, it remains a"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "mystery. And because you guys made it"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "this far, I want you to all comment down"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "below bury treasure. So that way I know"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "who made it to the end and who didn't."}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "And if you guys enjoy storytelling like"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "this where sometimes we, you know, kind"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "of do more of a POV eyewitness style,"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "you know, storytelling, but other times"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "we do something like this that's a"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "little more information dense. It kind"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "of feels more like a documentary, right?"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "Just different kinds of storytelling for"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "you to benefit and be entertained by. So"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "if that's your kind of thing, what are"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "you waiting for? Smack that like and"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "subscribe button right now for more"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "content just like this. And as always"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "guys, I love you all. Keep an open mind"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "and I'll see you all in the very next"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "video."}]

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In the first"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "weeks of 1974, a man named Andrew Stone"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "loaded his family's belongings into"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "their car, and he drove up a narrow"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "canyon road into the mountains right"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "above Little Rock, California. He was"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "moving his wife, Hilda, and their"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "20-month-old son, Michael, into a rented"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "cabin up in the canyon country in a"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "little resort community that was built"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "around a lake. In the summer, that place"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "would be packed with tourists. But this"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "was in the dead of winter. Out of all"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "the cabins scattered up there, only a"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "handful had anybody in them. For the"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "Stones, this was not a getaway. It was"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "the best they can do, and they needed it"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "to work. Andrew was in his late 20s,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Apache Comanche, raised on a reservation"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "in Arizona. Same as his wife, who was"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "full-blooded Sue. 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They just never expected them"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "to apply to their own lives. The first"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "night in the cabin, they set up"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "Michael's crib under the bedroom window."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "It seemed like a perfectly good spot."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "But when they put the boy down to sleep,"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "[music] he lost it. He was screaming,"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "crying, thrashing around in the crib,"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "and he would not stop. So Andrew would"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "pick him up and rock him until he calmed"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "down and lay him back down in. 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Whatever did this was strong"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "enough to tear an animal apart and"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "indifferent enough to walk away without"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "taking a bite. For a while, Andrew kind"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "of suspected that he was the one that"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "caused it because he'd been out in that"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "brush with his varmint collar a couple"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "of times since they moved in blowing the"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "wounded rabbit sound out toward the"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "hills. And he was starting to think"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "that, you know, maybe he had gotten an"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "answer that he didn't want. But he did"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "his best to keep that thought to"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "himself. Now, a few days after the dog"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "was killed, Andrew came back from the"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "lake with a good hall of fish. 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And he didn't really know exactly"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "what he was looking at, but he knew what"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "it wasn't because this clearly wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "bear and it wasn't a person because no"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "person has three toes and 19inch feet."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "But due to the situation, there wasn't"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "really a whole lot he could do about it."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "So he just kept going on about his life."}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "Now in the evenings that followed, right"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "around dusk, Andrew and Hilda would drag"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "their chairs out onto the porch and"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "they'd sit while the light went down and"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "the canyon settled into its evening"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "noise. You know, crickets, frogs down by"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "the water, a breeze moving through the"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "brush, and Michael would be asleep"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "inside. It was the closest thing to a"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "normal routine that they had up there,"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "and they were just trying to hold on to"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "it. 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Everything kind of just"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "shut down all at once. And after a"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "while, Andrew came to read it like it"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "was a signal because it always came"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "first. Whatever else the night was going"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "to bring, the silence always arrived"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "ahead of it. And sitting inside of it,"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "it was hard not to feel watched. You"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "know that feeling, right? It's kind of"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "like this prickle you get on the back of"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "your neck. Because after the quiet would"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "happen, the sounds would come. Some"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "nights it was a screaming somewhere out"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "in the canyons. is high, drawn out,"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "impossible to pin down the way sound"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "bounces around the walls. To Hilda, it"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "sounded like there was a woman out there"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "shrieking. It didn't sound like any"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "animal she knew. And trust me, we've all"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "heard mountain lions, right? We know how"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "they can sound like a woman screaming."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "But this, it had its own quality to it."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "You could just, you could tell there was"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "a distinction. But other nights, it was"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "a snorting kind of heavy wet breathing"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "close to the cabin. It's like something"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "big was kind of working its way and"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "lumbering around the property. And"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "occasionally they would hear whistling"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "kind of like this thin sound carrying"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "out in the dark. Now, Andrew suspected"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "they might be calls. You know, one"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "making a noise, another answering it."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "So, there's clearly more than one of"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "these animals, but of course, because he"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "couldn't see it, he couldn't prove it."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "But perhaps the strangest was the voice."}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "And it came out of the dark on the worst"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "nights. and it said a word. The word was"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "mama. It wasn't screamed or growled or,"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "you know, it didn't sound like some"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "monster. It was just repeated and it"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "went on and on and it always felt like"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "somebody mimicking how someone speaks."}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "It was very like hollow and mechanical,"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "something that had heard it and was"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "copying it without any idea of what it"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "meant. But what animals in the wild of"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "California mimic people? One night,"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "everything kind of just happened at"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "once. The calling started up after the"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "quiet and this time it didn't stay out"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "in the canyons. It got closer and it got"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "louder and it got louder and every dog"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "in the area went wild. The stones could"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "just hear them barking and, you know,"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "going horsearo from barking so much up"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "in the canyon and the calling kept"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "building until it was right on top of"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "the cabin. And then out of nowhere,"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "boom, something slammed into the side of"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "the house and the whole cabin shook"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "violently and the decorations came off"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "the walls. Andrew told Hilda in the"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "moment that it must have been a sonic"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "boom from a jet. And at the time, he"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "believed it even though he knew that"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "there hadn't been a jet. And so now,"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "fast forward a little bit to March. And"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "late one afternoon, Andrew and Hilda"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "were driving back from the grocery store"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "in town and they're winding up the"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "canyon road toward the cabin and they"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "came around a curve and on [music] their"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "left standing in the shallow part of the"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "stream that ran alongside the road was a"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "figure. And they could see that it was"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "upright on two legs and its entire body"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "was covered in thick black hair. It was"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "broad through the shoulders and the"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "chest, and it was scoping something out"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "of the water with its hands, like it was"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "fishing. It was roughly 12 feet tall."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "Now, Hilda saw it first, and Andrew"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "caught it just a minute later, and"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "neither one of them said a word. They"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "just kept driving. They didn't stop."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "They didn't slow down. So, the car"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "rounded the next turn, and the thing was"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "now behind them. But it wasn't until"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "they were pulling up to the cabin that"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "either of them finally spoke. Everything"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "that had happened since they had moved"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "in kind of just clicked into place in"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "their mind. Now, because Andrew and"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "Hilda had grown up hearing about things"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "like this, the old stories from the"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "reservation, you know, the the elder"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "stories about large creatures living"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "deep in the wilderness and, you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "snatching up women and children, for the"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "longest time, they'd always just"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "respected them without ever expecting to"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "live inside of it. And now they knew"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "that one of those things was living in"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "the mountains right behind their home."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "Now, not long after the sighting in the"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "stream, Andrew brought home a new dog, a"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "mixed terrier they named Sunday. They"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "were very alert, scrappy, and they kept"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "him inside at night. It kind of gave"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "Hilda some small feeling of security."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "But her health at the time was getting"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "worse. The stress of the situation was"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "really grinding her down. I mean, even"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "her doctor prescribed her tranquilizers"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "for the anxiety, but she couldn't tell"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "him the real reason that she needed"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "them. Now, at one point, the Stones had"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "actually tried telling some of the"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "people around the area what was going on"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "up at their cabin. And of course, you"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "know, they were laughed at, and they"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "couldn't even tell what the mockery was"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "about, whether it was the creature, the"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "fact that they were natives. But either"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "way, they just stopped talking about it"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "and they kept it to themselves. tourists"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "began filling the campgrounds in the"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "canyon. Whatever was out there adjusted."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "It stayed away from the public areas"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "entirely and instead it began coming at"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "night to the water tank right behind the"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "stone's cabin. Now, the tank was tucked"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "out of sight and it had this long pipe"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "that when tilted down produced a trickle"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "of water. The catch was that if the pipe"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "didn't get returned to its upright"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "position, the tank would slowly drain"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "the entire community's water supply. So"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "Andrew built his nights around that"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "tank. He kept the flashlight and the"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "shotgun staged [music] by the back door,"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "and he slept listening. Now, in the"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "pre-dawn hours, it would always come,"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "this sharp, harsh metallic clang of the"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "pipe getting slammed back up against the"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "tank. And so Andrew would grab the"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "flashlight, he'd throw open the back"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "door, and he'd run out toward the noise."}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "But you know how these stories go. He"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "never caught anything. All he'd see was"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "a pair of eyes, red in the beam of the"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "flashlight already kind of pulling back"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "into the dark. But in the morning, there"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "would be tracks, threetoed, some of them"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "up to 19 in pressed deep into the dirt."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "But sometimes Andrew noticed it looked"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "like whatever made them had tried to"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "cover them up by dragging something over"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "the prints and scuffing the dirt. This"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "thing was smarter than people gave it"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "credit for. And Andrew, he just kept"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "that conclusion to himself, same as the"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "others. One evening, Andrew was standing"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "on a ridge right near the cabin, just"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "looking out over the canyon. Now,"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "without warning, this wave of dread kind"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "of just washed over him, and it came out"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "of nowhere. His stomach nodded and his"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "skin [music] went cold. And so he turned"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "and he looked across at the opposite"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "ridge and he could see that this black"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "creature was standing there and it was"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "the same one from the stream back in"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "March. And it was there just watching"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "him very intently. And the feeling"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "coming off of that thing was unlike"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "anything Andrew had ever experienced."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "This wasn't curiosity or fear. This was"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "pure targeted hostility and it was aimed"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "right at him. his family was in grave"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "danger. So Andrew headed home as quick"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "as he could. And so one evening right"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "there in the spring, right around"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "twilight, his wife carried a bag of"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "garbage out to the back of the cabin the"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "same way that she always did. And she"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "rounded the corner toward the water"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "tank. And she immediately stopped and"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "she froze because crouched beside the"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "tank, drinking from the garden hose, was"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "a creature. Its hair was long and"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "stringy and dirty and white and hanging"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "down like an old woman's. And the eyes"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "were deep set and she could see two"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "fangs just jutting down from the upper"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "jaw and two rising from the lower. And"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "the nose was flat, but it was"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "unmistakably female. Now, this was not"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "the black one from the stream. This was"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "something else. So, for a few seconds,"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "Hilda and this thing kind of just had to"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "stare down, and her first thought was,"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "\"I need to run.\" But her feet weren't"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "moving. So, she just stood there in her"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "own backyard with this thing watching"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "her with these deep set eyes and then it"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "turned and it ran straight up the"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "hillside on two legs and then it"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "vanished into the brush. She kind of had"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "to like check herself because, you know,"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "initially she was like, \"Did that even"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "happen?\" But the smell that it left"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "behind was so pungent and overpowering."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "It was bad. I mean, she said that it was"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "like a goat. Whereas her husband, you"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "know, he compared it more to, and this"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "is oddly specific, but possum urine that"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "it hung in the air for hours and it just"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "clung to anything that this thing had"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "come in contact with. So that made at"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "least two of them now. And both of them"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "were coming to the water tank behind the"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "cabin. On a warm night, not long after"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "Held's own encounter at the water tank,"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "Andrew was on the couch watching TV. The"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "windows were open to the screens,"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "letting the cool night air in. And at"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "some point he became very aware of"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "something that he couldn't quite name."}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "It wasn't a sound or movement, but it"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "was just a feeling. And it was the"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "feeling of being watched. And so he"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "turned toward the window in response."}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "[music] And he could see that pressed"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "against the screen was this face. It was"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "enormous. The skin was a sandy brown"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "color with this kind of dusting of fine"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "hair along the cheekbones. The hairline"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "came down low on the forehead, nearly to"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "the brow, and behind the face. The frame"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "was massive. Andrew was six feet tall,"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "and the window sat higher than his head."}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "And this thing was bending down to look"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "in at him, and he figured it had to have"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "been at least 9 ft tall. Its hand was"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "flat against the screen. Four fingers,"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "no visible thumb, and the fingers"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "tapered down into something dark and"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "curved. They looked like claws."}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "Andrew looked over at his dog, Sunday,"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "but the dog was not barking. It wasn't"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "growling. Sunday was terrified. Wedged"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "under a chair, flat against the door,"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "trembling so violently that the chair"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "was shaking. This thing didn't really"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "frighten him. Not the way the black one"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "had on the ridge. There was no hostility"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "in this one. And what he felt from the"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "sandy one was something closer to"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "curiosity, that it was like studying"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "him, watching the television. almost"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "like it just wanted to see how these"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "people lived. But look, curious or not,"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "Andrew had a 9- foot tall creature with"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "claws pressed against the window screen,"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "and his wife and son were asleep in the"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "next room. So, he woke Hilda, picked up"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "Michael, and he drove them to a motel"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "for the night. The following morning,"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "Andrew drove his wife and son back up to"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "the cabin, and from there, things just"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "kept almost escalating like every other"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "night. And on one of these nights,"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "Andrew just lay in bed in the dark"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "listening to all of it. It started with"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "the rocks on the roof and then the clang"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "from the water tank [music] and then"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "every dog in the canyon going off at"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "once. And underneath all of it, rising"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "and falling was the whailing. That was"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "the one that really scared his son. His"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "son would just bolt awake in his crib,"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "screaming, and he couldn't stop. Now,"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "his wife, Hilda, had to get up and hold"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "him against her until that he until he"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "finally wore himself out. This was how"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "most nights were. It had got to the"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "point that really nobody was getting"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "rest. And so, one afternoon, Andrew"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "walked down the road to the other family"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "renting a cabin nearby, and he asked"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "them, as casual as he can make it,"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "whether they'd been hearing anything"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "strange after dark. As it turns out,"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "they had. The rocks, the wailing, all of"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "it. the situation wasn't feeling like"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "folklore anymore. And so he realized"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "they had to do something. And so at one"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "point, the two of them finally talked it"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "over and the answer was already there."}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "They needed to. There was no other"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "options. They had to get out. And so"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "that same week, Andrew started asking"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "around about other places and his wife"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "began kind of sorting what they'd pack"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "first. At the time, it was late June and"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "they were getting ready to move. Andrew"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "had fallen asleep on the couch with the"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "[music] television still on. And at 3:00"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "in the morning, he felt his wife's hand"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "on his shoulder, shaking him awake. And"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "he opened his eyes, and she was standing"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "over him with a finger pressed to her"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "lips. And her eyes were wide. And as"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "he's looking at her, he starts to hear"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "this noise that he recognizes. And it"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "immediately pops in his head. It was the"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "front door knob jiggling. Somebody was"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "out there clearly working the handle."}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "And so he looked over at Sunday, and the"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "dog was down at the door. His dog was"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "pressed flat under the nearest piece of"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "furniture, visibly shaking, just mute"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "with terror. Moving quickly, he got up,"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "grabbed the shotgun from its spot by the"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "back door where they always kept it, and"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "his wife reached over and unlatched the"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "bolts, and he was just going to bam,"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "blast this thing, right? So, he"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "positioned the gun right behind the door"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "frame, out of sight, [music] and he"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "pulled the door open halfway. And"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "standing in the dirt just beyond the"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "porch were two young men. They were"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "cleancut, dark-haired, maybe 17 or 18"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "years old at most. And the first thing"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "out of their mouths, spoken at the same"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "time in the same flat voice, was that"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "they didn't want to be hurt. Now, Andrew"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "kind of froze there for a second because"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "something about this did not seem right."}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "You know, he'd been in law enforcement"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "before. he knew how people acted when"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "they showed up at a, you know, door in"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "the middle of the night. The two of them"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "explained that they'd run out of gas"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "about seven miles down the road. They'd"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "spotted the phone booth outside the"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "general store and they had seen the"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "stone's porch light on and all they"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "needed was to, you know, get a dime to"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "make a phone call for help. And so they"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "said that they would return the dime"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "once somebody came with gas. Andrew just"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "studied them in the glow of the 75 watt"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "porch light and something about what he"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "saw just did not add up. Their clothes"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "were strangely immaculate. Like not just"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "clean, but brand new. Like they'd been"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "taken off a store shelf and put on 5"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "minutes ago. Their shoes, black, rounded"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "toe, polished to a high shine. Not a"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "single speck of dust. And here they are,"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "seven miles that they were claiming to"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "have walked seven miles down an unpaved"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "mountain road in the dark, you know,"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "loose dirt, gravel, and these two men"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "looked like they'd walked out of a"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "department store. You know how when your"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "gut is just telling you that something"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "is wrong? That's how that that's what"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "was happening. So Andrew's like, \"Just"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "wait a second.\" And so he closed the"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "door. He went inside, found a dime off"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "the table. When he opened the door back"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "up, one of them had just their hand out"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "like this with her palm open waiting."}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "And he was very careful about where he"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "placed the dime. He was very deliberate."}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "And so he purposely pressed the dime"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "into the palm of the hand so it wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "drop on the ground. But when he did, he"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "didn't feel anything. As strange as it"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "was, the hand was there. He could see"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "it. I mean, he watched his own finger"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "set the dime right into the middle of"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "it. But the warmth, the actual physical"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "resistance of a palm, you know, it just"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "didn't wasn't there. It didn't exist. It"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "was as if he pressed a coin into empty"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "air. So immediately, he just stepped"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "back inside. He slammed the door. He sat"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "on his couch. And he's just trying to"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "come up with any sort of logic that"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "could explain what had just happened."}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "And only a few seconds later, something"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "else came to him. The phone booth didn't"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "have a light. It was 200 yards down the"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "hill. And at this hour, it would have"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "been pitch dark. Those two wouldn't even"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "be able to see the dial. So immediately,"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "he grabbed a flashlight and he went back"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "to the door, meaning to offer it to"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "them. And he saw that they were gone. So"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "he stepped out onto the porch. The phone"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "booth was clearly visible from where he"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "stood. I mean, this is maybe 200 yards"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "downhill. So he should have been able to"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "see the two boys walking in that"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "direction. So he scanned the road, the"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "brush, the hillside."}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "There was no sign of him. Nothing moved."}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "It was just dead quiet. Thinking that"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "maybe they were hiding, he decided to"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "walk down the road. And he's looking in"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "every direction possible. But they were"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "nowhere. It's as if they had simply"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "vanished. And at this point, he noticed"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "that the night, like many other nights,"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "had gone unusually quiet. That the"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "crickets had stopped. It's almost like"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "the wind itself had completely ceased. I"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "mean, you could hear a pin drop. It was"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "so unnerving. and he knew that this was"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "the same quiet that came every single"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "time before he had an encounter with one"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "of these beings. He quickly went back"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "inside and he locked the door. Andrew"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "sat with his wife in the front room and"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "they tried their best to make sense of"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "what had just happened. He went over"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "every detail he could. You know, he"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "recalled their clothes precisely, the"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "cut of the fabric, the shine on the"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "shoes, and he remembered their hair and"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "what they'd said and how they'd said it."}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "But no matter what, there was one thing"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "that he couldn't explain. No matter how"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "hard he tried. When he had opened that"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "door, he never did see their eyes. And"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "the face of the boy whose hand he"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "touched, it wouldn't come into focus."}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "It's like it stayed a blur, like"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "something in his mind had recorded but"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "refused to play back. His wife put it"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "simply, and she told her husband,"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "Andrew, that it sounded like they'd been"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "dreaming. But, you know, obviously that"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "wasn't the case cuz they were both wide"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "awake. And obviously the dime was never"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "returned. The Stone family moved out of"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "the cabin above Little Rock shortly"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "after. They left the area entirely. When"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "Andrew Stone told the story, the part"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "that he really kept coming back to"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "wasn't exactly the 12-oot figure in the"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "[music] stream or the white-haired thing"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "at his water tank. It was the two boys"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "in nearly brand new clothing standing at"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "his door at almost 3:00 in the morning."}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "Now, the Stones account comes down to us"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "as one family story. There's obviously"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "nothing official to check it against,"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "but here's what can be checked. Little"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "Rock is a real place sitting in the"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "Antelope Valley at the foot of the San"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "Gabriel Mountains. And in the early '7s,"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "that whole area had a documented run of"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "sightings. In September of 1974, the"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "same year that all of this happened, two"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "men in the Antelopee Valley reported a"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "7- foot blackhaired figure standing on a"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "rocky crack. The tracks found afterward"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "measured 15 in. And oddly enough, they"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "were three-toed. The creature that most"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "people accept is responsible for what"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "happened in that canyon is Bigfoot. But"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "the truth is, we're all just really"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "guessing because nobody really knows,"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "folks. It remains a mystery. And because"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "you guys made it this far, I want you to"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "all comment down below three toes. So"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "that way I know who made it to the end"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "and who didn't. And if you guys enjoy"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "this kind of storytelling where we deep"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "dive into strange cases of the"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "mysterious and supernatural, what are"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "you waiting for? 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But in this episode, you're"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "going to hear three alleged accounts and"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "see why the men trained to spot every"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "threat on the border are the ones"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "telling [music] us they don't know"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "what's out there. You won't want to miss"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "this one. On the night of March 14th of"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "2007,"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "just after midnight, a 26-year-old"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "border patrol agent named Rafé Monttoor"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "was riding shotgun in a Chevy Tahoe"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "right along the US Mexico border in"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "southern Arizona and he worked the"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "Sonoran desert sector. 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He cut the"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "engine and then he reached into the back"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "and he pulled out a small thermal camera"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "and he gently set it on the hood. Now,"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "this camera was their primary tool for"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "spotting people crossing under the cover"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "of darkness, displaying heat signatures"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "in glowing green and white. And so"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "Clint, he slowly panned the lens from"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "left to right, scanning the three miles"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "below them, but the screen showed only"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "empty terrain. Now, there were a couple"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "of tiny, scurrying white shapes that"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "were likely rabbits or coyotes, but"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "nothing humansized. And suddenly, Rafé"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "saw something on the far right edge of"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "the screen. It was this bright vertical"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "humansized heat signature standing about"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "200 yd out in the open. It was clear as"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "day for exactly 1 second and then it"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "vanished. Now the screen showed"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "everything in green and white. And as"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "soon as this happened, Rapha sat up and"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "he's like, \"Hey, I just saw somebody pan"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "back.\" And so Clint panned the camera"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "back, moving it even slower while both"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "men stared intently at the display. And"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "so Clint adjusted the focus and he"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "bumped up the sensitivity, but there"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "wasn't anything. And after they kept"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "scanning, well, Clint came to the"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "conclusion that it was probably nothing"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "more than just an equipment glitch. They"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "did happen sometimes. But what's"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "interesting is the way he said it, it"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "was a little bit off, like he wasn't"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "really sold on his own explanation."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "And so they sat there for a couple more"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "minutes just really watching. And after"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "a few minutes had gone by and they"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "didn't see anything more on the display,"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "they eventually packed up and they"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "started the Tahoe and they pulled away"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "from the ridge. And right as they're"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "both getting back onto the main road,"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "the radio suddenly crackled and both of"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "them jumped. It startled them. It was"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "dispatch. And they were warning"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "everybody in the sector about"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "interference [music] on the repeater,"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "switched to the backup channel if"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "needed. And so Clint keyed the mic and"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "asked what was causing it. But the"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "response that came back was garbled."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "He heard something about a technician"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "checking it in the morning. And so he"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "set the mic down and he didn't say"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "anything for another minute. And kind of"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "out of nowhere, he said the radio had"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "been acting up out here lately, but he"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "did not say what time and Rafé did not"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "ask. Now the patrol back continued and"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "they drove the fence line. They hit a"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "few of the known crossing points and"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "then they checked the access roads. And"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "so far at this point, other than what"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "they saw up on the ridge, this was just"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "a normal night. So, at 2:55 a.m., they"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "parked at a lower lookout that's closer"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "to the border fence. Clint got out and"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "he went to inspect a nearby drainage"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "wash where crossing groups often waited."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "while Rafé stayed by the Tahoe. And you"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "know, he leaned against the hood and"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "he's looking up at the sky. And even"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "though the desert air was dry and clear,"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "the stars overhead, for whatever reason,"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "seemed strangely dim, as if there was"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "some invisible barrier that was sitting"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "between him and the night sky. And right"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "as he was staring up, the radio speaker"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "burst into static once more. And"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "underneath the noise, there is a kind of"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "rhythmic pulsing sound, like a single"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "syllable being repeated over and over,"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "but with a brief pause between each"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "beat. And it sounded like a voice"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "reciting numbers, but the static was"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "just too thick to make out the words."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "And so Rafé checked his watch and it was"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "exactly 3:00 a.m. [clears throat] The"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "transmission ran for 30 seconds before"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "the radio went dead. A moment later,"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "dispatch came through running a radio"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "check explaining that they had lost all"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "signal for 30 seconds. He confirmed they"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "were okay, but mentioned the rhythmic"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "counting which dispatch silently logged."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "And when Cliff returned from the"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "drainage wash, Rafé told him about the"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "radio going haywire. And he kind of just"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "stopped where he was and he looked down"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "at his watch. Then he looked at him and"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "then he looked out at the desert. And"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "Rafa could see that, you know, his jaw"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "working like there was something he"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "wanted to say, but he just didn't say"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "it. Well, at this point, things are"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "getting really weird. And the next hour"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "patrol went completely [music] by the"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "book. Rafé could not shake the feeling"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "that Clint was really holding something"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "back, but he wasn't sure what. And so at"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "4:15, as they drove toward the station,"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "Clint suddenly locked his eyes on the"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "road ahead and he pulled the Tahoe over."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "Now, of course, Rafi is like, \"What?"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "What's going on?\" But he points and he"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "could see that in the headlights there"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "was a single set of fresh footprints in"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "the dust crossing from south to north."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "So both men got out to examine the"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "prince and Clint pointed out that the"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "heel impressions were much deeper than"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "the toes which suggests that the person"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "was walking backward. They followed the"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "tracks for 50 yards into the open desert"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "where they abruptly stopped in the"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "middle of a patch of flat dirt as if the"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "person had simply ceased to exist"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "midstride."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "Now Rafi suggested that maybe this was"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "someone pulling a hoax. Clint disagreed"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "and he explained that they were miles"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "from any road or town with no guarantee"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "anybody was going to find these tracks."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "I mean, who pulls a hoax in the middle"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "of nowhere? But then, right as Clint"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "reached for his shoulder mic, this"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "rhythmic metallic scraping sound echoed"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "from the darkness ahead, and it sounded"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "exactly like someone using hacksaws to"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "cut through the steel border fence. And"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "so Clint immediately drew his flashlight"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "and he told Rafé to stay behind him,"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "warning him that if he said run, they"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "should both do so immediately. And so"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "they walked into the dark. But with"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "every step, it seemed as if the air grew"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "unnaturally cold to the point to where"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "Rafé could actually see his breath. Now,"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "they should have reached the fence, but"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "their flashlights illuminated nothing"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "but empty dirt. And so they stopped when"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "the scraping noise abruptly cut off. And"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "Clint called out commanding who was ever"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "out there to now show themselves, but"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "there was no response. And so he swept"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "his flashlight beam across the dirt. And"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "about 30 yards away, the light caught a"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "figure standing perfectly still. It was"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "tall and roughly person-shaped, but its"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "arms hung down past its knees, and its"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "head was tilted at an angle that no"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "human neck could survive. It wore"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "sunbleleached shredded clothing, and its"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "face was a solid patch of shadow that"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "seemed to swallow the very flashlight"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "beam. Clint attempted to use his radio,"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "but the speaker only emitted static. And"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "underneath the noise, a flat mechanical"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "voice began counting backward in"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "Spanish. Now, the figure suddenly moved,"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "but it didn't walk. [music] Instead, it"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "slid sideways, smooth and silent, like"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "it was mounted on a track, covering 10"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "ft in [music] less than a single second."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "Rafé finally got the words out. He's"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "like, \"We need to leave right now.\" And"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "both of them started backing away, but"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "while managing to keep their lights on"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "this figure. And oddly enough, whatever"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "it was didn't follow them. It just kind"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "of stood there and swayed back and forth"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "like a tree and a breeze that just"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "wasn't blowing. And as soon as they got"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "back in the Tahoe, Clint fired up the"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "engine and they pulled out of there hard"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "with their tires throwing dust. And as"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "they came up and rounded the first"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "curve, Rafé looked out the side mirror."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "And for a second or so, he saw it in the"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "road behind them. And once they rounded"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "the curve, it was gone. As soon as they"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "got back to the station, both men filled"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "out their logs and they filed [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "official paperwork. They did document"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "the footprints in the dirt and the"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "strange sounds they heard, but neither"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "of them mentioned the figure they saw in"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "the desert. I mean, some things simply"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "cannot be included in official reports"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "if you want to keep your job. Now, right"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "before they both clocked down and went"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "home, Clint pulled him aside in the"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "hallway and was basically like, \"Look,"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "the radio interference that we talked"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "about, the static that happens at"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "exactly 3:00 in the morning was not a"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "one-time thing. I've heard the exact"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "same static every night for the past 12"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "nights in the same pattern.\" And what's"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "even stranger is that twice during that"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "twoe period, Clint spotted a humansized"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "heat signature on his thermal at the"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "exact hour that it happened. It was"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "there, then it vanished, just like what"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "they had experienced together. Now,"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "Clint reported both incidents to his"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "superiors, but they were dismissed as"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "either an atmospheric glitch or possibly"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "an illegal transmitter operating just"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "across the border. Now, what's really"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "disturbing is that every time it"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "happened, he felt this overwhelming"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "sense that something was watching him."}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "And so he warned Rafé that he needed to"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "transfer out to a different sector"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "before it was too late. He felt he"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "couldn't leave himself because he'd been"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "here so long that whatever it was they"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "encountered, it knew him and it was"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "following him and he felt it was his"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "duty to stay where he was. Now this"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "whole story is just truly bizarre, isn't"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "it? Well, Rafé went home that morning"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "and he spent the next several hours"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "convincing himself there was a logical"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "explanation. Maybe it was a shared"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "hallucination. Perhaps it was"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "exhaustion. You know, maybe carbon"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "monoxide leaked inside the Tahoe."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "Something rational. He showed up for his"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "shift the next 2 days. Apparently, Clint"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "wasn't there. The station commander said"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "that he had called in sick. Stranger is"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "that his phone went straight to"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "voicemail."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "and [music] Clint never came back to"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "work. Now, he went on to say that about"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "2 weeks after this that they had found"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "his truck on the shoulder of the road"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "near the same lookout where they had"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "first saw the figure on the thermal"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "camera. The engine was still running,"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "the headlights were on, and the side"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "door was open, but there was no sign of"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "Clint or any tracks around the vehicle."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "Now, apparently, there was a search, but"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "it only lasted 3 days. And as you can"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "guess, they didn't find anything. Now,"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "Rafé was not the only border agent who"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "encountered something that sounds like"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "it's out of the dang X Files in the"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "desert sectors because about 2 weeks"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "before Raf's story, a different agent in"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "a completely different part of southern"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "Arizona had their own experience. And"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "what he found out was in a lot of ways"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "even harder to walk away from. On the"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "morning of January 9th of 2008, just"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "after 4:00 a.m., a 33-year-old Border"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "Patrol agent named Elias Treadwell was"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "crouched in the brush along the US"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "Mexico border in southern Arizona, and"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "he was about to lead a raid on a"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "smuggler's safe house. Elias had been"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "with the Border Patrol for 9 years. He"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "worked one of the rougher parts about 40"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "miles of fence line that ran through the"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "mountains, canyons, and dry washes. Most"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "of his work happened on foot or on the"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "ATV with K-9 units doing a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "heavy lifting. And the K-9 that was with"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "him that night was one of the best"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "working that part of the border, a"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "German Shepherd named Kilo. The tip that"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "had brought them out here was pretty"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "standard because somebody had called the"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "day before saying that they had just"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "escaped from a smuggler safe house in"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "[music] this part of the sector and they"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "wanted to help shut it down. So they"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "gave the coordinates. They then"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "described the building that it was an"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "old mining office from the 50s or 60s."}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "adobe walls, roof partially caved in on"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "one side, and they said that there was"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "still 20 Central American migrants"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "inside, mostly families, just waiting"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "for transport up to Tucson. This was"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "standard. Safe houses were known"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "infrastructure out there. So, they"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "planned the raid for 4 to 6:00 a.m. You"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "had six agents, two K-9 handlers, and"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "their watch commander, a man named"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "Griffin Selkerk. He was coordinating"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "from the station with air support on"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "standby. And so, the team hiked on foot,"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "no lights, everybody was on night"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "vision. The terrain was very steep and"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "rocky and choked with mosquite and"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "prickly pear. though no matter how"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "careful they were, they were making some"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "kind of noise and they got to a point"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "where they were only about a 100 yards"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "out and Elias glassed the building. It"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "was sitting in a hollow between two"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "ridge lines, exactly where the informant"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "had said. They could see the crumbling"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "adobe walls and the collapsed metal roof"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "on the east side, but they didn't see"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "any lights and there didn't appear to be"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "any movement. They decided to push"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "forward anyway. And after every single"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "room came up empty, it was obvious that"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "there really was nobody there. But"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "people had been. You see, there were"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "blankets on the floor. There were empty"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "water jugs and food wrappers."}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "Somebody or a lot of somebody's had been"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "living in there recently. And one of the"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "agents threw out a theory that the"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "traffickers must have heard them coming"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "and cleared out. But that didn't add up"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "because moving 20 people through that"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "terrain in the dark would obviously"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "leave tracks and noise. And Kilo was now"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "indicating fresh scent. Samarit said it"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "was minutes old, maybe an hour at most."}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "Somebody had been in there tonight. So"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "they kept looking and they worked back"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "through to the main room. It was maybe"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "20 ft across, you know, dirt floor."}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "There was starlight coming in through"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "the collapsed section of the roof. And"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "in one corner, sitting on a piece of"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "broken furniture was a small yellow LED"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "work light, the battery operated kind,"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "and out of the corner of his eye, Elias"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "caught the work light flicker twice and"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "then it went dark. So he asked anybody"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "if they had touched it, and they all"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "said no. So he walked over and picked it"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "up. The switch was already in the"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "position and he toggled it on and off"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "and there was really nothing. The"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "batteries were dead, but he had just"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "seen a flicker. So he set it back down"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "and he moved on. Now, a second later, an"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "agent called to him from the next room,"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "which was an old office, roof mostly"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "intact, and on the far wall, somebody"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "had drawn a symbol in charcoal, a circle"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "with lines radiating out, like a kid's"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "drawing of the sun. and around it"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "written over and over in maybe 20"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "different handwriting styles was the"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "same phrase in Spanish"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "dees aki which means don't leave us here"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "and honestly that wasn't that unusual"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "for a safe house ku at this point was"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "acting pretty strange and so when Elias"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "walked back in there he saw the dog"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "locked in on the corner of the room"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "right where the work light had been. At"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "this point, Kela was very rigid. The"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "dog's tail was tucked, his hackles were"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "up, and he was growling. He was really"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "defensive. And Merritt said that she"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "only ever heard Kila make that sound"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "when he had cornered somebody dangerous."}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "But there was nothing in the corner,"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "just shadows and a dead work light. So"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "Elias pulled the thermal camera off of"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "his vest and he pointed it at the corner"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "where Kila was growling. And right there"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "on the screen, standing perfectly still"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "against the adobe wall, was a bright"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "white humansized [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "heat signature. Elias called out a"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "contact. Weapons came up and the team"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "began shouting commands in the corner to"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "show your hands. Get on the ground. But"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "the thermal didn't react. They didn't"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "move. The figure stood there. So, one of"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "the other agents grabbed his flashlight"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "and he pointed it at the spot. and there"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "was nothing but the wall. There was dirt"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "on the floor. So he's like, \"Look, you"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "know, maybe Elias's camera was"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "malfunctioning.\" So Elias panned the"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "thermal across the entire team. Every"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "one of them showed up normal. Bright"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "white outline, hot in the chest and"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "head, where you'd expect the camera was"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "fine. But when he pointed it back at the"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "corner, the signature was still there in"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "the same spot. Merritt tried calling out"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "to it in Spanish and she told it that"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "they could see it on the imaging and she"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "asked it to come out but there was no"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "response. Elias sent two of his agents"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "up to the corner weapons trained on the"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "empty space and they walked right up to"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "the wall and they didn't find anything."}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "And then one of them, just to test it"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "slowly, waved his hand through the space"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "where the signature was on the screen."}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "And the agent's hand passed straight"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "through the middle of the bright white"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "figure through virtually empty air. And"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "the figure on the camera didn't move. It"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "didn't even react. That was when Merritt"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "basically said that they needed to get"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "out of the [music] building. Elias"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "didn't argue. He gave the order."}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "Everybody out. And once they were"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "outside, Elias got Griffin Skilkerk on"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "the radio and he told them that he had a"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "thermal signature showing a person"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "inside, except there was no physical"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "body. Just two of his agents had just"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "walked right through it. He was"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "instructed to hold position after a long"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "silence. While Elias was on the radio,"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "Kilo began barking at the building very"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "loud, agitated, the same way he'd been"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "inside. And when Elias looked over, he"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "saw a yellow glow flickering through the"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "windows. The work light was back on, so"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "he raised the thermal camera and he"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "pointed it through the open doorway. The"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "original signature was still there, but"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "now there were more. And he counted"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "them. There were 12 in total, all shaped"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "like people, all giving off the same"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "heat pattern, and all standing still."}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "Every single one of them was facing the"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "door the team had just walked out of."}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "Nobody could really explain it. Elias"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "just told everybody to back up that they"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "started to move away from the building"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "and they kept their weapons trained on"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "the doorway. And once they got far"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "enough, a couple of minutes later, the"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "air support helicopter arrived. And so"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "Elias got on the radio and he asked the"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "pilot for a thermal scan from altitude."}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "Well, the pilot came back seconds later"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "and even his voice was different. He was"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "reading at least 15, probably 20"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "stationary heat signatures, but none of"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "them were invisible to the naked eye."}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "Every one of them was oriented toward"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "the team's position up on the ridge. 20,"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "the exact number the informant had said"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "was being held in that building. And"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "then one of the signatures moved on"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "Elias's screen. He watched it step"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "forward from the group inside and it"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "walked toward the doorway with a normal"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "human gate. And then it stepped out of"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "the building into the open about 20 ft"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "from where the team was actually"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "standing. And Elias could now see it"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "perfectly on the thermal. But obviously"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "to the naked eye, even in the darkness,"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "there was no one. There was nothing. It"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "was just empty space. And so not knowing"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "what else to do, he called out to it."}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "He's like, \"Hey, who who is it? Are you"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "there? What are you? I could see you on"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "the imaging. Identify yourself.\" But"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "there was no response. And then on the"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "screen, Elias watched the figure slowly"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "raise both of its arms, palms turned"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "outward like it was begging. And"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "probably the strangest part of this"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "account is he heard a voice, but not in"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "his ears. It was in his head and it was"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "layers of voices whispering all at once,"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "\"Help us. Please don't leave us here.\""}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "The same words from the wall. And so he"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "looked at the rest of his team and every"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "one of them was nodding. They had all"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "heard the same thing. And then on the"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "screen, the figure in the doorway"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "stepped forward again. And behind it,"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "one by one, the rest of the signatures"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "started to emerge from the building"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "until there were 20 of them out there."}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "All arms raised, all facing the team,"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "and the voices got louder in unison."}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "This wasn't really sound at this point."}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "It was more like pressure, like the air"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "itself was pushing against them. Elias"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "having no idea what to do in this"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "situation because they are literally"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "dealing with something supernatural"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "here. He ordered the retreat and they"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "began backing up the slope of the ridge."}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "Kilo was dragging Merritt on his leash"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "and the entire time Elias kept the"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "thermal aimed back. The signatures"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "though they didn't follow. They just"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "stopped right at the edge of the hollow"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "and they stood there in a line with"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "their arms still raised. Now, once they"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "got back to the station, they had an"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "equipment specialist who ran tests on"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "all of the thermal cameras just to"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "ensure that there was no malfunctioning,"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "that they were working correctly, and"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "that there were no false readings or"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "glitches. They did review the recorded"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "footage from the safe house, and they"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "saw everything Elias had described. The"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "specialists explained that if the camera"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "had recorded them, then something at"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "those locations had to be producing"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "heat. So when Elias looked at the"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "footage more closely, he noticed that"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "there was something else. You see, the"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "temperature distribution inside each"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "signature was abnormal because a normal"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "person on a thermal camera shows a"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "hotter core and cooler extremities."}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "These signatures had intense heat in"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "clusters, chest, head, and hands, like"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "there were multiple heat sources inside"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "one shape. Well, the next day, a"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "technical team actually went back out to"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "that safe house and they tested the work"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "light. The batteries were in fact dead."}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "They photographed the wall in the office"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "and they brought in multiple thermal"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "cameras. Every single one got the same"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "20 signatures in that same position. The"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "signatures didn't move when approached"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "nor touched or when somebody on the tech"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "team aimed a laser thermometer at the"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "spots where they showed up. The laser"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "only registered the ambient air"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "temperature. There was no measurable"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "warmth at any of those locations. And so"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "they just said that these signatures"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "were [music] just projecting into the"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "thermal spectrum without actually"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "generating any heat that they had never"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "seen anything like it. Now they did want"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "to try something else. And so one of the"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "technicians set up a standard camera on"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "a tripod and he pointed it at one of the"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "signature locations and he then took a"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "30 second long exposure. When he"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "developed the image, the camera had"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "captured a kind of dark distortion,"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "darker than the shadows around it. And"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "when they looked at it, it resembled a"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "face. Although the proportions were off,"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "the features were too angular for"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "[music] it to just be a distortion. Like"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "the eyes were too large. Somebody had"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "tried to clearly reconstruct a human"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "face from memory and obviously missed"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "details. and it was looking directly at"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "the camera with some sort of expression"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "between grief and hunger. They"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "photographed every signature location"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "and all 20 of them showed the same kind"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "of face. Not really knowing what to do"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "with it from there, they just sealed the"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "building off and they marked it"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "structurally unsafe. They put up warning"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "signs and flagged the coordinates in"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "every database the agency used. Elias's"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "office did a follow-up on the original"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "informant. The phone number was"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "disconnected and the address did not"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "exist. But somehow this person had given"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "them real coordinates and unknown what"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "was inside. Someone at the station"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "pulled missing person's records for that"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "part of the border. You know, people who"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "had crossed in that area and had never"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "been found. And over 20 years, there"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "were 17 confirmed cases. But Elias and"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "his team had seen 20, which left three"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "unaccounted for. People whose"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "disappearance had never been reported,"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "or maybe people who hadn't disappeared"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "yet. Elias came to believe that those 20"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "had been real people, families from"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "Central America who had crossed looking"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "for a better life, caught by smugglers,"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "and held in that building waiting for"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "transport that never came. As far as"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "what they supposedly caught on camera,"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "they don't know. On the evening of"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "October 21st of 2009, a Border Patrol"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "agent named Carl was driving down a"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "muddy service road along the Rio Grand"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "in South Texas. All of a sudden, he"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "noticed the temperature outside drop and"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "all the normal sounds that you would"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "hear like the river, frogs, insects, all"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "the noises at night just dropped out."}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "and he was suddenly hit with this"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "intense feeling that he was being"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "watched. Something darted across the"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "road in his headlights. He couldn't get"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "a good look at it, but it was small and"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "it was very fast. And so, out of"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "reaction, he slammed on his brakes and"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "he began to panic. His first thought"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "that this was some kind of, you know,"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "animal like a feral hog or or a coyote"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "or something. But then he kept"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "secondguessing himself and he could feel"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "his anxiety start to well up because he"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "had no idea what was causing all these"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "physiological effects on him and that"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "something was off because he could have"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "sworn as whatever this animal was that"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "crossed the road had actually been"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "upright. And so then he's thinking this"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "whole other train of thought where you"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "know was this a small person? Was this a"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "child being used for trafficking? Like"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "what's going on here? Is the cartel out"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "here? And so, not really knowing what"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "else to do, he took a deep breath and he"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "tried to calm down as best he could and"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "he put the truck in park. He reached"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "over and he grabbed his flashlight and"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "he got out and he could see that the"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "service road was bordered on both sides"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "by very tall towering rows of sugar cane"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "that grew pretty high up. I mean, well"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "over his head. So, not really knowing"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "what else to do, he just walked over to"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "the shoulder and he's shining his light"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "looking for tracks in the mud. But he's"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "perplexed because he doesn't really see"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "anything. So he's like, \"Well, maybe"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "I'll, you know, expand my search zone.\""}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "And so he steps into the sugar cane. And"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "pretty quickly, he finds this narrow gap"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "that's between the rows. And in that gap"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "sitting on the ground in the mud is what"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "he can clearly see is this small figure."}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "It was a child. He was right. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "this is this is a little girl. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "maybe 8 years old at oldest. And she's"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "on the ground and she's holding her legs"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "with both hands and she's clearly hurt."}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "And so Carl is like, \"Oh my gosh.\" He"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "calls out to her and he's like, \"Are you"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "okay?\" But the girl didn't say anything."}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "She didn't even acknowledge that he was"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "talking to her or even shining his light"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "at her. But then she started moving. Not"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "getting up. She actually stayed on the"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "ground. She just started inching toward"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "him very slowly. And as he got a better"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "look at her face, she looked very"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "desperate. And so then he yelled to her"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "to wait. Just stay where you are. I'm"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "going to get help. And he sprinted back"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "to his truck to get his medkit. And so"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "he grabbed the kit and he ran back and"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "he rounded the sugar cane. And when he"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "stepped into the gap, the girl was gone."}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "So he stood there not really knowing"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "what to do or what had just happened."}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "You know, he looked around. He didn't"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "see any sign of where the girl could"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "have gone in that short amount of time."}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "I mean, there really wasn't much area"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "for her to go. So, he just figured that"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "he was going to radio for backup. And"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "only moments later did his partner show"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "up. And the two of them walked together"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "back to the spot where he had seen her."}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "And the whole way in, both of them were"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "walking through the thick mud. And every"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "step they took left a clear, deep"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "bootprint. So, by the time they got to"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "the spot where the girl had been"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "sitting, the only prints in the mud were"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "their own. There were no child-sized"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "footprints. There were no marks where"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "any small body had been sitting. There"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "were no drag marks. I mean, basically,"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "there was no indication that there was"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "ever another person there. His partner"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "basically shrugged and told Carl that he"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "probably had just seen something or, you"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "know, maybe was a trick of the light."}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "But Carl had never had an experience"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "like that in his life. He had never seen"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "something that [music] wasn't actually"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "there, but looked so real that he could"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "reach out and actually touch it. Now, I"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "know that these three accounts are far"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "from the only ones. There are hundreds,"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "if not thousands of accounts from the"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "many Border Patrol agents who are"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "currently working andor have worked, and"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "they've all seen strange things that"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "they just can't write down on paper. And"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "unfortunately, a lot of them will take"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "to the grave. But even though there's"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "technically no verifiable proof, we just"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "have to take their word for it. There"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "are so many others like them that have"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "their own handful of strange"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "experiences, just like I'm sure many of"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "you watching this have. What I find"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "fascinating about a lot of this stuff is"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "that there are stories and tales that go"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "back hundreds of years for many of the"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "indigenous tribes that lived in and"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "around the area of strange almost X"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "files like supernatural events"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "happening. You know, from anomalies,"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "whether it be light or sound, [music]"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "figures, distortions in time. To me, it"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "almost seems like there's some sort of"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "geographic anomaly rather than it just"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "being a bunch of Border Patrol agents"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "who are like, \"Yeah, trust me, bro. I"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "had weird experiences.\" Unfortunately,"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "folks, all of it remains a mystery. And"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "because you guys made it this far, I"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "want you to all comment down below"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "desert stranges. So that way I know who"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "made it to the end and who didn't. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Most stories like this leave you with"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "nothing but someone's word, but this one"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "comes with film footage a man swore"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "showed a creature that shouldn't exist."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "The film is in a museum in California"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "right now and almost no one has ever"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "seen it. The few frames that got out"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "don't quite show what he swore was"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "there, but they show something and he"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "wasn't the only one who saw something"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "just like it. You won't want to miss"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "this one. One afternoon in the summer of"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "2001 a man named John Bohannon was"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "driving east on a dirt road through the"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "New Mexico desert. At the time he had"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "just left the Three Rivers Campground"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "and he was all alone in his truck taking"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "it slow over the ruts. Now out there"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "it's just wide open country. It's flat,"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "it's dry and there's a lot of low scrub"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "and juniper bushes in just about every"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "mile you look. I mean there is nowhere"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "to hide. It's open. Now at some point as"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "he was driving John glanced to his right"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "and he saw something out in the desert"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "maybe no more than 30 or 40 yards off"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "the road. Now initially just because it"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "was out of place and you know it caught"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "his eye, he thought there was a person"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "out there, but right away he noticed"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "that this person was unusually large and"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "they were standing way taller than the"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "cacti around them. And some of those"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "cacti or I guess cacti were 6 ft. So"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "John figured that whoever this person is"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "they're humongous like 8 ft tall. I mean"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "and it's clearly a person because"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "they're standing upright, but what's odd"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "is they're taking these long steady"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "strides and they're heading in the same"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "direction that he was. And as the"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "seconds continue to tick on he notices"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "that this person is also covered in"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "short reddish-brown hair and that their"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "arms are unusually long and they hang"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "down really low past their knees. Now,"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "because the way John was going, he can't"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "really get a good look at what's over"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "there, but he knows there's somebody"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "there. The ruts were deep enough that if"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "he had stopped, he might not get going"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "again. So, he just kept driving and you"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "know, trying to watch the best he could,"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "just trying to wrap his head around what"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "it was he was looking at. And as he kept"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "going, something about it really threw"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "him off. None of this made sense and to"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "him, he's thinking"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "there's a guy walking around the open"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "desert in a large gorilla costume or"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "something. And over the course of this"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "short amount of time, he's trying to"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "figure out who's out here and as he"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "looks, he realizes that this person"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "[music] is actually watching him. They"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "are staring back directly at him. At"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "some point, they had turned toward the"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "truck. And this wasn't a quick glance,"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "you know, the way that an animal looks"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "up right before it bolts. It just held"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "there, staring right at John, walking"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "calm and steady, knowing full well that"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "he was also watching, too, and it"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "couldn't care less. So, for about a"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "hundred or so feet, the two of them"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "moved along together like that. John on"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "the road and the thing out in the open,"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "both of them moving east, kind of just"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "watching each other the whole way. Now,"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "for about a hundred feet, that's how it"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "went until John glanced back at the road"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "for a second and when he looked over"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "again, it had vanished. He kind of had a"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "double take because it didn't [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "make sense for it to not be there"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "anymore. And so, he's thinking maybe it"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "ducked behind a cactus or something, but"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "there's clearly nothing out there in the"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "open desert for it to duck down into and"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "be obscured. And after all, the single"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "closest thing was a single juniper tree"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "and it never went near it. John was so"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "thrown that he had actually stopped the"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "truck, ruts or no ruts, and he just sat"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "there with the engine running, just"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "staring out into the empty desert,"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "trying to figure out what had just"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "happened. Everything looked exactly as"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "it should. I mean, he could still see"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "the heat coming off the ground except"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "only seconds earlier there had been"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "someone or something 8-ft tall give or"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "take walking around. The way that John"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "would later put it is that it had walked"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "through some kind of invisible wall. He"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "just had no idea what was on the other"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "side. He just knew that it wasn't on his"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "side anymore. At 11:34 p.m. on August"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "29th of 2007, a man named Tony had"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "stepped out onto his back porch to let"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "his dogs out one last time before bed."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "He lived in a quiet part of Stafford,"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "Virginia and this was the same routine"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "as every other night. Last call for"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "dogs, a few minutes in the yard, and"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "then everybody goes back inside. His"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "backyard sloped downhill away from the"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "house with some trees at the bottom. And"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "past the porch light, there really"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "wasn't much to see. So, he opened the"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "door and he let them out, but the older"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "dog, a female named Ginger, was first"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "through and the second her paws hit the"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "grass, she immediately took off down the"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "slope at a dead sprint. She was running"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "at something. And right away he could"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "tell that this wasn't the way his dog"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "runs at a squirrel. This was a straight"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "shot. Her ears were back. She's low to"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "the ground like she'd locked onto"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "something at the bottom of the yard and"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "she was going to [music] deal with it."}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "Of course, seeing that the other dogs"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "came right up behind her, they're"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "barking loud and steady like, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "there's an intruder around and they're"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "all aiming their energy and attention"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "toward the same direction that Ginger"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "just ran off to. Now, of course, because"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "if you guys have ever owned dogs and you"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "let them off, you know, near the forest,"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "they can be alarmed for all sorts of"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "reasons. But, they were worked up enough"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "that he decided to grab the spotlight"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "that he kept by the door, you know, one"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "of the big heavy ones that you can keep"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "around your property when it backs up to"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "the woods. And he figured that, you"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "know, they probably cornered an animal,"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "maybe a raccoon, a deer, a stray cat."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "So, you know, he aimed it, he clicked it"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "on, and he swept the light down the"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "hill, and immediately he saw two things"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "[music] that were out of place."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "Because partway down the slope, he could"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "see these small figures."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "And if he if he had to estimate, he's,"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "you know, 4 ft tall at most. Strangely,"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "they were giving off this really faint"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "glow, but only in certain spots, their"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "heads and their hands."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "The rest of each one, the body, the"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "legs, were just dark, like the middle"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "had been blacked out, [music] and only"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "the glowing parts were left to show"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "where they stood. In complete shock at"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "what he's seeing, he stood there for a"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "second, not really knowing what to do or"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "what he was dealing with. His first"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "thought was that this had to be a trick"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "of the light, that the spotlight was"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "clearly catching something on the"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "hillside, or this was a distortion from"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "the dark and the angle he was looking"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "at. But it didn't make sense because"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "the figures he was seeing had real"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "height and proportion."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "He could see that they were standing,"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "plain as anything, and whatever they"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "were, they clearly weren't animals, and"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "they definitely weren't people. All he"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "could really do was watch intently in"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "shock for those few seconds,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": ">> and then they started to move."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "And they began to shift down the slope,"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "maybe 10 ft, but very quickly and very"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "smooth. And then they leaned forward and"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "went up, right into something that he"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "just couldn't see."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "And the best way he could put it later"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "was that it looked like watching"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "somebody climb through a doorway, except"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "there was no door or frame or edges,"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "just an opening in the air that somehow"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "led somewhere he couldn't make out at"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "all. It's very bizarre."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "And even he knew how crazy it sounded,"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "but the only word that fit was a portal."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Now, right before they disappeared into"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "it, the two figures stopped. They"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "turned, and they looked right back at"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "him. That was when he saw their eyes,"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "and he could see that they were this"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "pale blue, and they were glowing. Not"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "really bright, but enough that they kind"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "of gave off this dim light. And then the"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "figures turned, and they stepped through"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "the opening, and were gone. But what's"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "wild is that whatever they had climbed"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "into, some sort of maybe invisible"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "structure,"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "it began to move."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "Now, Tony couldn't see it, but that was"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "the part that really bothered him."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "There's nothing you could physically"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "see, but he could tell something was"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "there because the trees all along the"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "slope started to bend, and not from"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "[music] wind. It was more like something"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "big was actually pushing through the"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "air, and the only sign of it was the"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "branches bending and leaves shaking with"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "nothing visibly there to touch them. It"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "didn't make any sense. And so, trying"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "to, you know, get to the bottom of this,"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "he aimed the spotlight right at it, but"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "even though as he's swinging it around,"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "the beam didn't catch anything. It"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "didn't catch a surface, it didn't catch"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "any sort of reflection. It just stopped"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "as if it was getting swallowed up. And"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "yet he could tell exactly where this"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "distortion in space and time was because"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "it had blacked out everything behind it."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "And right where it hung, there was no"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "tree line or sky, just a big dark shape"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "with what looked to be real weight"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "[music] to it. Heavy enough to bend the"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "trees as it slid past. This is truly"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "bizarre, right? It sounds like something"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "out of the X-Files. Now, it had been"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "hanging 2 ft off the ground, but now it"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "moved across the hillside, and it"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "started to actually climb. And as it"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "rose up against the night sky, Tony"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "finally caught the shape of it. And he"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "could see that it was very narrow and"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "pointed at the front, and it appeared"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "wider at the back. Something similar to"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "like that of a spearhead. And he figured"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "the entire thing was maybe 20 ft long,"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "and it just continued to rise, and was"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "very steady."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "And then it cleared the trees and was"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "gone. Now, at some point in all of this,"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "the dogs had stopped barking, but he"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "couldn't say when because obviously, if"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "any of us had experienced the same"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "thing, we'd be in complete and total"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "shock. I mean, your house could have exp"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "exploded, and you probably wouldn't have"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "noticed it. Now, by the time it had"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "completely vanished over the tree line,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "everything around him was [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "unnaturally quiet. And so, he just stood"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "there on the porch, and he still has his"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "spotlight in his hand, and he's looking"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "down at an empty hillside. And a minute"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "earlier, there'd been these two glowing"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "figures, and so maybe he thought they"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "were still there, but within, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "10 or 20 seconds, [music] he realized"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "there's nothing down there anymore. The"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "most disturbing thing about all this"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:37", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> was he never actually saw what it was. I"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "mean, we could speculate all day, you"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "know, like was it a spaceship? Was it a"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "craft that was cloaked somehow or some"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "way? We don't know, and he didn't"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "either. But, one of the things that"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "really got to him was when he asked"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "himself, \"How long were they down there"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "watching him? And how many other times"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "have they visited before?\" And he just"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "didn't know. One morning in the summer"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "of 1983,"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "a man named John Eric Beckjord stood at"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "the edge of Loch Ness in Scotland"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "looking out at the water through a pair"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "of binoculars. He wasn't a tourist,"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "though, hoping to catch a glimpse of the"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "Loch Ness Monster. He'd actually been"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "out at the loch for weeks with a small"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "crew running remote cameras, just really"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "trying to get footage [music] of"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "whatever was really supposed to be"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "living in the water. Because after all,"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "it was the 50th anniversary of the"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "organized research at Loch Ness. And"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "he'd spent all this time and come all"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "this way over from the states for this,"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "just for this event. And so far, his"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "cameras hadn't really turned up with"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "much of anything. And on this morning,"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "he was mostly just doing his best to try"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "and kill time."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": ">> Now, around him there was a TV segment"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "about their work about to air, and he"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "was waiting around for it. He was"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "excited to finally see recognition for"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "what he was doing. But as he began to"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "watch the water, something about a mile"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "out caught his eye. At first, he noticed"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "that there were rings or little circles"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "that were forming on the surface. Big"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "deal, right? Because fishes make rings"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "all the time. So, that on its own was"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "nothing. But, as he was looking out"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "more, he noticed they didn't appear"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "random. They were almost forming in a"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "straight line one after another. And he"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "could tell that they were also evenly"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "spaced, like maybe 10 ft apart."}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "Something was moving along just under"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "the surface, [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "poking up to make each ring and then"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "dropping back down before the next one."}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "Curious, he grabbed his binoculars and"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "he began to look, and he thought he"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "could make out what was doing it. He saw"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "two tiny things. They were kind of"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "narrow, like a couple of straws, and"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "they were only a few inches long. They"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "would break the surface just long enough"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "to make a ring and then vanish. And"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "then, he caught sight of something"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "bigger. This smooth pinkish shape, maybe"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "6 ft long, and it rose up near the"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "surface"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "and then it quickly sank back down."}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "There was no fins or tail, just this"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "long smooth body that kind of reminded"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "him of a manatee, to be honest. And so"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "quickly, he grabbed a camera with the"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "telephoto lens and he tried his best to"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "get a picture of it. Now, he wasn't even"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "sure it was worth the film, though. Now,"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "that film never came out for whatever"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "reason. The telephoto shots were somehow"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "ruined. But he wasn't going to let that"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "go, and so he just told himself that he"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "would keep watch for it the next time"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "the water went still and those bubbles"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "appeared. And then he filed it away and"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "got on with his day. Well, nothing"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "happened the rest of the day, but"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "mornings later, on one of the last days"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "of the trip, he got up early, around"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "8:00 in the morning, at a place called"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "Achnahannet, which is a few miles down"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "the loch from where he had seen the"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "rings before. And he had three other"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "people with him. And the water was"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "unusually calm. And then he noticed out"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "in the distance those rings appear"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "again. And it was the same thing as"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "before. There's this little line of"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "circles, one after the other, kind of"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "drifting down toward Fort Augustus at"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "maybe 3 mph on his best estimate. But"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "this time, he was ready with something"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "better than just a camera. He grabbed a"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "film camera, and he began filming,"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "catching each ring as it formed. [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "Now, the others stood right beside him"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "watching in shock as it happened, too."}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "And even though it wasn't a perfect"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "shot, the camera was an old hand-wound"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "type, so, you know, twice he had to stop"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "and crank it before he could keep going."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "And after a while, the rings began to"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "weaken and then stop altogether, and the"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "water went calm again, like nothing had"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "ever been there. Devastated and"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "disappointed, he was convinced he didn't"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "really get anything. I mean, as far as"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "he could tell, he'd only filmed this"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "really disappointing string of ripples"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "on a lake. I mean, this is nothing that"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "was going to convince anybody of"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "anything. So, he packed up, he wrapped"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "up the trip, and he flew back home. But,"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "it wasn't until he got back home and sat"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "down with the film that he started to"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "see it."}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "The first couple of times through, it"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "looked exactly like he had expected,"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "just a disturbance on the water, you"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "know, rings spreading out, really"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "nothing worth a second look. But he kept"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "watching it over and over again."}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "And the more he kept watching it, the"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "more he started to notice something he"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "had missed before."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "What he had taken for a simple ripple on"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "the surface was actually something"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "moving. And not under the water the way"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "you'd expect. It was actually across the"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "top. And so meticulously he looked frame"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "by frame, and he [music] could see the"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "white rings widened and they pulled"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "together into one long streak. And then"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "the streak began to undulate. And he"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "said it moved like a pair of inchworms"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "that were linked end to [music] end. And"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "then it took on a shape, a silhouette"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "gliding along the flat water."}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "Something like a comet or the outline of"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "a Concorde jet. Once he started blowing"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "up the individual frames, he saw it for"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "what it truly was, that there was a face"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "in the water."}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "Now what it appeared to be was faint,"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "gray, washed-out, low on contrast, but"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "there were features there, and they"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "didn't look right. There was a mouth"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "lined with thick, stubby teeth that"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "pointed downward like short walrus"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "tusks. And in some frames, there were"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "what looked like two small horns above"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "the head. Whatever it was, it ran about"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "10 ft long, and his own description was"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "that it looked like a cross between a"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "cat, an otter, and a walrus. Now over"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "about six frames, this white mass rose"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "up out of the water. At first, it had no"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "shape at all, and then under a second,"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "it pulled itself into something"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "unmistakable."}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "This bald, human-looking head with these"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "little tufts of hair and a pair of"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "wide-open eyes. And it held there for"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "about 2 seconds and then sank under. Now"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "the most bizarre thing about this is"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "that almost every frame showed something"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "different. It wasn't just moving across"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "the water, it was changing the entire"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "time. And at one point, it dissolved"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "into nothing but a frothy streak right"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "around where he had to stop and wind the"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "camera. And then it started taking shape"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "all over again, like a shapeshifter"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "caught in the act. And so he [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "just came to a conclusion on his own,"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "and it wasn't the one that most people"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "would expect. He didn't think he'd"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "filmed an animal at all. He came to"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "believe that it was something else"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "entirely. Something paranormal. What he"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "believed that he had caught was"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "something on film that was traveling"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "through a kind of space-time wormhole"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "that had come through an opening into"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "our world"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": ">> and then slip right back out the same"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "way. He called it a paranormal,"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "supernatural wormhole traversing being."}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "Man, that is a mouthful. Now, this isn't"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "just some crazy guy wanting to, you"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "know, get rich with some real footage."}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "This is someone who had spent 2 years at"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "the US Air Force Academy. They had a"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "degree and an MBA from UC Berkeley. This"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "was an educated man who kept records of"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "everything he did, and this is where all"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "of that led him. For him, none of this"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "was a hobby ever. He had given his whole"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "life over to it to try and solve this"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "mystery, and he didn't, you know, start"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "out as some sort of monster hunter,"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "because years before, he just had an"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "ordinary career. He was a city planner"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "with an MBA and a very comfortable"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "future ahead of him, and he walked away"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "from all of it. The way he put it, the"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "point of life wasn't just to make money."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "So he left the steady path behind and"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "gave himself over to the strange [music]"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "and the unexplained instead. And he went"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "all in. He was so certain that there"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "were things living in the Loch Ness that"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "he gave them names. Faith, Hope, and"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "Charity. He opened museums, more than"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "one, to put his photographs and his"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "evidence in front of the public. This"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "was his life's work, and he wanted"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "people to see it. Now, over time, his"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "ideas only got stranger. He came to"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "believe that the beings didn't just move"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "through wormholes. He believed that it"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "took its form from the people watching"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "it. That the thing on film actually kept"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "changing because the minds of the"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "observers were somehow shaping it as"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "they looked. Now, a lot of people"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "obviously weren't convinced. A skeptic"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "named Robert Shaefer once went out on an"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "expedition with him and came back having"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "seen nothing unusual. And he just"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "chalked the whole thing up to, in his"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "words,"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:46", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> the workings of an overzealous"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "imagination. But Beckjord never backed"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "down. Whatever anyone else said, he"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "stayed certain of what he'd captured on"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "that film, and he held onto that"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "certainty for the rest of his life. John"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "Eric Beckjord died in 2008. And when he"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "was gone, the film seemed to go with"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "him."}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "Years later, a researcher named Roland"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "Watson, who ran a blog about the Loch"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "Ness mystery, set out to track it down"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "once and for all. Initially, he didn't"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "get very far. There were stories that"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "the footage had once been screened at a"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "conference back in the 1980s, but those"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "who would have been there couldn't even"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "agree that it had happened. And his"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "attempts to reach anyone from Beckjord's"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "inner circle went nowhere."}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": ">> But in 2016, there was a breakthrough."}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "Through Beckjord's sister, Pamela,"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "Watson was put in touch with a woman"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "named Dr. Molly Squire, who had actually"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "worked closely with Beckjord for years."}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "And Squire told him the film had indeed"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "survived. It still existed, and it was"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "actively being cataloged along with a"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "set of stills made from it at a"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "historical museum in Willow Creek,"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "California. There were even plans to"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "digitize all of the archive and put it"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "online so anyone researching it could"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "see it themselves. But Squire added"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "something strange."}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "She didn't think Beckjord had shot the"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "film in '83 at all. In fact, by her"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "recollection, it was around '86 to '88."}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "And weirdly, the people closest to the"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "footage couldn't even agree on when it"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "was taken. However, Squire had watched"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "it, and her description was very simple,"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "that it showed something alive,"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "something long moving through the water"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "at real speed."}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "Whatever it was wasn't tied to any boat"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "or wake, which was the easy explanation"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "a lot of people wrote it off as. And as"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "for those plans to digitize it and share"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "it to the world, as far as anyone can"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "tell, that never happened. The footage"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "still hasn't surfaced, which means that"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "it's in a drawer in a museum in"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "California right now, and all these"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "years later, we still can't look at it."}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "So, what does that mean? Is it"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "completely full of crap, or is there"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "something real in that footage, so real"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "that they don't want the public seeing?"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "I'll let you be the judge of that one,"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "but for now, folks, it remains a"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "mystery. And because you guys made it"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "this far, I want you to all comment down"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "below portals, so that way I know who"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "made it to the end and who didn't. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "Over the course of 30 years, people all"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "across Virginia kept seeing something"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "they could not explain. They had never"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "met, yet every single one of them came"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "back describing the exact same thing,"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "right down to the strangest details. You"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "won't want to miss this one. On the"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "evening in late May of 1968, a"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "five-year-old boy named Bob stood on the"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "front porch of his family's farmhouse in"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "Crewe, Virginia. He was scrubbing the"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "dried mud off of his hands. Him and his"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "older brother Jimmy, who was eight, had"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "been playing in their large grassy yard"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "and had been instructed by their"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "panic-stricken father to wash up first."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "For the entirety of the afternoon, while"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "the boys played, the father just paced"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "back and forth frantically chain-smoking"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "cigarettes every few moments. And he'd"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "pull out this little handkerchief that"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "he kept in his pocket, and you know, he"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "he would kind of dab his forehead, and"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "he kept looking back into the house, and"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "you know, he'd he'd look at Bob, and"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "he'd look at his son Jimmy, then he'd"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "look back in the house again, and he"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "kept hearing the boys' mother scream."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "Their mother was in active labor, and at"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "the time, the midwife had practically"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "locked herself in the bedroom with her,"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "and the dad, not really knowing what"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "else to do, just paced around the house"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "like a nervous wreck. He was just so"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "stressed out. Even though it was kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "that golden hour in the evening, and the"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "crickets were now just starting up, the"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "boys wanted to stay out, and they wanted"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "to play longer. But they knew it was"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "time to go in and help out with the"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "things that all kids love, evening"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "chores. Yay. Both of them could hear"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "their mother screaming in the house"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "between contractions, and they wondered"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "if their mother would be okay because"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "being that young, they didn't fully"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "comprehend what was going on. And you"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "know, as Bob confided with his brother"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "that he was really worried if his mom"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "would be okay,"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "he looked over and he he noticed a child"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "on the porch with them that he had never"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "seen before."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "And as Bob stopped washing his hands and"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "just stared at this child that he did"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "not recognize, he became deeply"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "terrified because"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "the bizarre features this person had, I"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "mean, he was in such shock at who he was"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "seeing that he felt physically"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "restrained. I mean, he couldn't even"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "reach over and get his brother's"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "attention to look. I want to show you"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "something before we go any further. This"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "is a report, 11 pages. It isn't about a"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "case, it's about a person, a real one."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Home addresses going back years,"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "relatives, phone numbers, where they"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "work, what they buy. Nobody broke in to"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "get this. Nobody had to. It was all"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "compiled, packaged, and put up for sale"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "legally by companies whose names you've"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "probably never heard and will never be"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "told. Now, there is a version of this"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "document with your name on it. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "think about it. It really wouldn't be"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "that hard to find you or get your"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "information, which is why I want to talk"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "about who's sponsoring this episode,"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "Aura. And Aura is what I use to stay out"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "of those files. Aura finds the brokers"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "holding a file on you, files the"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "removals, and then keeps going back"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "because these companies rebuild your"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "profile the second you stop looking."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "Plenty of services do a version of that,"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "and none of them do this much for the"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "price. And Aura's a US company whose"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "business is protecting your information"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "rather than selling it. Your data's"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "encrypted and they don't sell it. The"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "people buying this data don't stay put."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "They move to whatever corner isn't being"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "watched yet. Aura says it monitors 41%"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "more dark web categories than the next"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "closest competitor. So, the corners keep"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "getting smaller. Your file is being"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "bought and sold right now while we"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "speak, while you're watching this. So,"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "go to aura.com/beneath."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "It's on screen. It's the first line of"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "the description, and it's pinned in the"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "comments. That link gets you 14 days"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "free. So, now back to the episode. Now,"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "during this time had slowed down for"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "Bob, and he just took it all in."}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "And as he sort of came out of this"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "trance back into reality,"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "this person on the porch had then"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "retreated and disappeared back before he"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "could really make any sense of why this"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "person was ever there in the first"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "place."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "And when he fully came back, Jimmy was"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "still in conversation with Bob, and he"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "didn't notice the person standing there"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "on the porch just feet away. But, Bob"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "didn't respond. He reached out, he"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "grabbed Jimmy by the arm, and he pulled"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "him to the screen door, and once they"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "were through, he shut the door behind"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "Now, because he was 5 years old, he"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "didn't really have the mental or"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "emotional capacity to process who he saw"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "or really tell anybody about it. So, he"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "just didn't say anything at all. But, it"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "had left such an imprint on him that as"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "he got older, I mean, there'd be times"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "he'd be out there on the porch, and it's"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "just like his mind would replay that"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "scene over in his head over and over. It"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "just It didn't make any sense."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "And so, about 10 years later, when Bobby"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "was 15, Bob Bobby, right? Whatever. His"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "father was terminally ill."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "Now, months before he passed, Bobby and"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "him would sit out on the front porch and"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "just talk about life and, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "struggles of being a teenager and just"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "kind of bonding with his dad, especially"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "knowing that the guy's, you know, he"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "doesn't have a long time left, and so"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "he's really savoring these kind of"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "moments."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "And it was on one of these evenings he"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "was like, \"Dad,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "uh something happened to me about 10"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "years ago, the night my sister was born."}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "And he then told his dad everything and"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "as much detail as he could possibly"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "remember."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "But, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "his dad upon hearing this, of course,"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "was just, you know, shaking his head in"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "disbelief and he just stopped his son."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "He's like, \"Son, it didn't happen. You"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "were mistaken. You probably were just"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "confused because of the stress of the"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "time or, you know, you saw this person"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "or someone that looked like them on TV."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "It was nothing more than a dream. Let it"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "go.\" And feeling a little disheartened"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "because his dad blew him off, he knew"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "his dad was probably right."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "But he just had this nagging feeling"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "deep down that his five-year-old brain"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "didn't just invent it, that it actually"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "did happen. Most interesting of all is"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "he wasn't the only one to see this"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "person. 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It was beautiful spring"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "weather and their plan was to make the"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "entire loop and then go find something"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "else to do."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "Now, the trail itself was relatively"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "easy and flat and so they were just"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "strolling about lost in their own"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "conversation"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "and on the path ahead of them there's"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "this large curve. And as they begin to"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "round the curve, both boys suddenly"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "stopped because they saw that there was"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "a child in the middle of the path. And"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "immediately, both boys could tell that"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "there was something very wrong with this"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "child. They didn't know how long they"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "had been out here or where they came"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "from, but something instinctively in"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "both of them knew that this was just a"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "bad situation to walk in. That whoever"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "this was, whoever this child was,"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "for whatever reason did not mean well."}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "Now, initially, Danny, you know, tried"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "to make light of it. You know, he tried"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "to make a joke, but Travis could just"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "tell there was something really wrong"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "because this child was crouched down on"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "the ground and they weren't acting"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "normal. And just as Travis was about to"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "say something, this child burst OUT IN"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "LAUGHTER."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> AND IT WAS THE most shrill, terrifying"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "laugh either of them had heard."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "And as soon as that happened, everything"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "around them suddenly went silent. Now,"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "keep in mind this is all happening in a"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "matter of seconds. And the next thing"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "they know, this child is getting up and"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "full on sprinting at both of them, but"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "whoever this was seemed more interested"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "in Travis. And so just purely out of"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "reaction, he took off sprinting and did"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "not wait around. Now, it took Danny"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "about a second longer to register what"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "was happening, but as he started to turn"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "and follow his friend, the way this"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "child ran after them,"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "it was unlike anything he'd ever seen. I"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "mean, he could tell that this child was"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "incredibly fast, so much so that they"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "nearly closed the gap on Travis. And"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "just before the moment that this child"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "was upon him,"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "he jumped into the brush and just kind"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "of vanished. As Danny and Travis both"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "kept running for their lives because"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "they are beyond spooked at what had just"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "happened, they both hear this maniacal"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "kind of laughing that just was kind of"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "fading off into the trees around them."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "And only moments later, Danny finally"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "caught up to Travis. And you know, he's"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "doubled over on the trail panting"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> out of breath. And Danny could see that"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "he's clearly white as a sheet. This is"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "easily the most bizarre and frightening"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "experience they'd had in their lives."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "Neither one could explain it. But about"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "a month later, and a good way across the"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "state, a man was driving a back road out"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "near Horntown, Virginia."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:35", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": ">> And at some point, he needed to turn"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "around, so he backed into a little dirt"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "cutout on the shoulder. And as he did,"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "he heard his undercarriage drag against"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "the ground. So, he stopped and popped"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "his door and kind of leaned out to check"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "if he tore anything up cuz initially he"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "didn't really see anything. And so, as"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "he got ready to investigate more, he"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "began to hear this rustling sound coming"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "right by the bushes. Now, unfazed at the"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "idea of a wild animal being there"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "because it was probably just a stray dog"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "or raccoon, he's like, \"What, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "whatever.\" He sat back down in his truck"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "and he closed the door."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "Now, of course, he was very curious, so"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "he kept looking out the window wondering"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "what this animal was just like any of us"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "would. And within just a few moments, he"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "sees what appears to be this small child"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "that steps out and then stands at the"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "edge of the road. Now, of course, he's"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "watching this and he's thinking,"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "\"What in the world is this little kid"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "doing all the way out here miles from"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "anywhere? Are they lost? Are they hurt?"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "Do they need help?\" And now he's worked"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "himself into a full panic because he's"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "convinced he needs to go and help this"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "poor child. And so, he reached his hand"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "down and as soon as he grabs hold of the"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "door handle, it's like his entire body"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "instantly freezes. And his brain kicks"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "in and it tells him, \"Hold on a minute."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "Something is not right about this"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "situation.\" Have you ever had that"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "moment where your brain goes and"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "overrides whatever stupid action you're"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "doing and you begin to listen to your"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "inner voice and it just tells you to"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "step back and look at the situation real"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "quick. That's exactly what was"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "happening. And as he's staring at this"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "child thinking, \"Why is my gut instinct"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "telling me that something is wrong? I"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "mean, everything about this is very,"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "very off.\" And the more he began to"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "stare at this child, he became more and"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "more overwhelmed with the raw emotion"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "and terror of it. He couldn't handle it"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "any longer. So, he just threw his truck"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "into gear and he ripped out of there,"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "not even caring if he had just splashed"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "gravel or dust at this child. Perhaps"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "the most bizarre and frightening"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "experience of this same child happened"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "on a summer evening in 1995,"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "where married couple Dale [music] and"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "Tammy had taken the night off. They were"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "sitting in their car out in this very"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "quiet wooded stretch of road in"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Horntown, Virginia. Now, Dale and Tammy"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "had been married about 6 years at this"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "point and they had two little kids at"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "home, a 3-year-old and a baby. So, life"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "was busy. Dale drove a forklift over at"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "a distribution center on the other side"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "of the county and Tammy worked part-time"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "answering phones at the vet clinic. Most"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "of their days were just a blur of work"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "and diapers and, you know, trying to"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "keep the house from falling apart. But,"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "every couple of weeks, Tammy's mom would"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "take the kids for the night and the two"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "of them had this little ritual. Dale"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "would swing through the drive-thru and"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "grab a bag of burger and fries and and"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "they would drive out to Red Hills Road"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "and [music] just park. They would roll"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "down the windows a little, they'd turn"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "up the radio, and really just use that"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "as an excuse to talk without"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "interruption or distraction. Tammy was"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "busy eating the last of her food as Dale"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "was, you know, leaning back in his seat"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "and there was a Garth Brooks song on and"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "at the time they were discussing Tammy's"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "sister's wedding that was coming up. And"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "she's really intently telling Dale"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "exactly the hotel she wants to stay at"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "because it's proximity to the wedding"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "venue. And as she's telling him about"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "why it's a really good deal for the"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "price, her eyes just kind of look up at"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "the window"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "and her mouth drops open and she begins"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "trailing off. Now, Dale, who has his"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "arms back like this, you know, behind"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "his head and he's watching his wife"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "speak and he's like, \"What the heck?\""}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "And so, he quickly sits up and he looks"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "out the window in the direction that"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "she's looking right away."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "And both of them could immediately see"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "that there's somebody standing right"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "outside their vehicle. Two feet away"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "from the glass at most. Now, because of"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "the poor lighting, they couldn't really"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "make out much detail, but from the"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "general silhouette of this person, they"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "noticed that it appears to be a child."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "As his eyes are adjusting to the light,"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "he begins to feel this urgency to want"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "to step in and help this poor child"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "who's clearly coming up to their vehicle"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "because something has happened to their"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "parents. Now, that thought process stops"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "when he notices the eyes of this child"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "and he's realizing that they are not"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "normal [music] at all. And as he looks"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "even closer,"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "he realizes that what he's looking at is"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "not a child at all, but something else"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "entirely."}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "That whoever this person is, their eyes"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "are catching enough light that it's kind"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "of reflecting back to him just the way"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "an animals do when headlights hit them."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "But what he's looking at is not an"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "animal that he recognizes. And even"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "stranger is that whoever this is, you"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "know, maybe they're wearing a mask or it"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "really is an animal, they're just"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "standing out there. Both Dale and Tammy"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "are pretty spooked by this and, you"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "know, they don't really move for a"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "couple of seconds. And so suddenly,"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "whoever this person is outside their"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "vehicle makes the strange kind [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "of mechanical jerking motion and then"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "they just take off into the tree line."}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "And of course, you know, Tammy and Dale"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "are watching this and they are"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "completely dumbfounded. They're both"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "thinking like, what even happened? But"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "they don't want to stick around cuz"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "they're both pretty spooked and so they"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "quickly turn the car on, they got out of"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "But by the time they had gotten home,"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "they realized that this experience had"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "bothered them so much, they didn't even"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "really talk much."}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "And as soon as they went in the door,"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "Tammy went right to the kitchen. She"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "poured herself a huge glass of water."}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "And even though Dale hardly drank, he"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "opened the liquor cabinet and poured"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "himself a whiskey. The next time they"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "would actually speak about this would be"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "the following morning, but it was"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "nothing more than a brief conversation."}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "Now, this is because these people that I"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "mentioned are only a handful of"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "witnesses"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:36", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": ">> to one of the most frightening mysteries"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "in all of Virginia."}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "After Dale and Tammy's encounter, things"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "kind of went quiet for a while, for"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "about 2 years."}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "But in 1997,"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "sightings roared back. Except this time,"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "it wasn't 1 year. It was a whole wave of"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "them. All over the state from all"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "different kinds of people who had no"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "connection with each other whatsoever."}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "And so, when you start laying them out"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "side by side, the details line up in a"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "way that gets really hard to explain"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "away. Clearly, these people were seeing"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "something."}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "In 1997, a local man was driving down"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "one of the many rural backroads. And as"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "he was cruising along, he saw what"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "appeared to be this large animal. Maybe,"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "[music] you know, 30 ft away at most. He"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "could tell it was very large in its"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "overall size. And at the time, it was"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "sort of crouched down. But what really"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "caught his attention was the fact that"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "it had almost this kind of vibrant"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "whitish fur. It was kind of shining"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "white, and it was really out of place."}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "And so, he's starting to look and scan"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "the details, and he could see this clear"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "pointed head and these very [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "deep-set dark eyes."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "And then he looks down, and he could see"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "that the paws or hands end in these"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "smaller claws, and that whatever this"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "animal is is actually watching him"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "approach and get closer. And the whole"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "time he's trying to figure out what he's"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "looking at, this thing pushes itself"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "upward onto two legs [music] and runs"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "off into the treeline. Convinced he was"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "having a midlife crisis or some sort of"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "grand hallucination, he just drove home"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "as fast as he could, only to realize"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "that he's going into a psychosis,"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "Or so he convinced himself. Because only"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "days later, there actually was a local"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "radio station that aired a call from"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "another listener."}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "And they began to describe something"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "horrifically similar in the same area."}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "Just months later, in mid to late June,"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "another man was standing outside one"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "warm muggy night. On this night, he was"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "on Chincoteague Island. At the time, he"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "was really overheated. He was outside"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "getting a little bit of air."}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "And as he's staring up at the sky,"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "cooling off, he sees movement past the"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "edge of his yard. And he squints because"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "whatever the movement was came from"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "something that had moved away from the"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "porch light into the dark. Now, he"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "immediately was on alert because he's"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "thinking that it's an animal or"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "somebody, you know, trying to break in."}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "But he looks, and he can kind of make"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "out an outline. And he was able to note"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "that it was small and it had this kind"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "of"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "round belly with the same whitish fur"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "that the other gentleman saw only 2"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "months prior. Apparently, it began to"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "lift its head up, and he could see that"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "it had a point at the top and set deep"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "in its face were these really dark eyes"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "that did not catch light at all. It was"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "almost like these two big black voids"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "just looking back at him. And his eyes"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "are just taking in every detail because"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "he's trying to figure out what the heck"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "he's looking at. I mean, he could see"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "that its arms were not like paws, but"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "they were thin and spindly, and ended in"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "what looked like little clawed hands."}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "You know, maybe something like a possum"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "or something. Very animal looking. Not"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "only was this very bizarre, but this"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "animal wasn't even remotely fazed that"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "[music] he was there. It was just"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "standing at the edge of his property,"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "still as a statue, but it never took its"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "eyes off of him. Kind of like it was"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "sizing him up, not sure if he was a"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "threat or not. And as the seconds ticked"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "on, he wasn't really sure where this"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "interaction was going to go. So, he just"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "slowly began to step back. And as he did"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "this, it dropped down on all fours and"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "[music] vanished. The very next month in"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "July, it happened again. But this time,"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "there was a bunch of friends hanging out"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "and they're standing up by their parked"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "trucks. And one of them, who was sitting"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "up in the bed of the pickup, just"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "happened to look toward the edge of the"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "property line. Out there by the tree"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "line, maybe, you know, 40 or so yards,"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "and he too, like many of the other"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "witnesses, saw this small figure."}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "However, this one was reddish in color."}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "And so he's like, \"Guys, what the heck"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "is that thing?\" Everybody looked and"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "stared, but it just turned and kept"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "running,"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:57", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:00", "text": ">> galloping very strangely off into the"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "trees. A month after that, in August, a"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "local man recounted something that had"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "happened to one of his friends back when"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "they were just teenagers."}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "Now, with the rise of awareness of this"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "strange person or animal or thing, it"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "kind of shed some light on what this"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "mystery is. Apparently, this Fred had"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "come across several of these things, and"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "they had a strange brownish fur, but"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "their faces were bare, and they had this"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "kind of a maniacal laugh about them."}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "Think like a hyena, but much more human."}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "What's interesting is that with all"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "these accounts, nobody met. They had no"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "way of comparing notes, no reason on"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "Earth to make their stories match. And"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "yet, it's almost like detail for detail,"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "they did. What Bob and many of these"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "eyewitnesses never once saw was a child,"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "or really anything that looks like it."}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "What they did see, however, was far more"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "disturbing. The thing that Bob saw on"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "his porch many years ago was indeed"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "small, like a child, but it was so out"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "of place because how red its skin was."}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "Its eyes were were and wet and glossy,"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "kind of like a doll's. And he did not"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "detect a nose,"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:14", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:17", "text": ">> but just a smooth, flat space."}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "And when his eyes made their way down,"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "he saw hooves, like cloven hooves, like"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "that of a goat's. A 5-year-old doesn't"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "naturally have a word to pair with this"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "description. I mean, they don't know"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "what a cryptid or a satyr is. But what"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "the many eyewitnesses in this region"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "over the years report is nearly"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "identical, except for the color. Like"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "those in the '90s, some saw them as pale"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "white. Several saw brown. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "perhaps they all saw different things."}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "And since the late '90s, there haven't"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "been near as many reported sightings,"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "even though nobody ever managed to"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "capture it or photograph it. Nobody was"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "ever able to explain what it was. But"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "the creature that was spotted by"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "multiple eyewitnesses over the years was"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "[music] given a name. The same"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "eyewitnesses and encounters I just went"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "over, this creature is famously known as"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "the Virginia Devil. And because you guys"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "made it this far, I'm going to have you"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "do something a little bit different for"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "this episode. Instead of saying a word"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "or phrase, how about you write down"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "below what you think about the Virginia"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "Devil? Is it a real thing? Did these"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "people see something? Are they imagining"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "things? Like I'm I'm curious because"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "when you look at everything side by"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "side, like I said, it's very, very"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "strange. And I would love to know your"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "thoughts and opinions. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Some of the strangest footage in America"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "came off police cameras. In Texas,"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "there's a dash cam tape almost 20 years"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "old, and to this day, nobody has named"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "the animal on it. In Las Vegas, a body"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "cam caught something fall out of the"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "sky. The same night, a family called 911"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "about what was standing in their"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "backyard. Part of that recording is"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "still sealed. In this episode, I'll show"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "you what those cameras actually caught"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "and the question none of them could"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "answer. You won't want to miss this"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "[music] one. One morning in July of"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "2007, a rancher named Phyllis Canyon"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "came down the road that runs just"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "[music] past her place outside Quero,"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "Texas, and found something dead lying in"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "it. Normally, a dead animal on a ranch"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "is not a big deal, but that summer,"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "Phyllis had a problem that she couldn't"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "explain. Something had been coming onto"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "her property at night, killing her cats"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "and draining the actual blood out of her"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "chickens. Whatever it was, it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "eating them. And so, she'd find the"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "chickens dead in the morning, still"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "lying right where they had died, empty"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "of blood. And that detail really"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "bothered her because predators kill to"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "eat. A coyote, a bobcat, even a stray"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "dog, they take the body, or most of it."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "Nothing she knew of wiped out a pen full"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "of chickens and left every single one of"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "them behind. So when she walked up on"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "the thing in the road, she stopped. The"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "skin was leathery and dark, like"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "elephant high that was stretched over a"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "dog. Its back legs were noticeably"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "longer than its front, and the jaw was"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "short and undersshot with the teeth"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "showing, and its eyes, strangest of all,"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "were blue. To Phyllis, this wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "dog, and if it was, it was the strangest"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "one she'd ever seen. Now, it couldn't"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "have been a coyote either because the"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "skin was so different. She really had no"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "idea what she was looking at. And so,"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "she grabbed it by the legs and she"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "dragged it off the road because she"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "didn't want anybody driving over it."}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "Over the next four days, two more of"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "them turned up dead around Quero. Three"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "of them all hairless all the same."}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Phyllis took the head off one of these"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "carcasses and she kept it. She'd figured"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "that she'd have it tested. A TV station"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "actually helped get tissue samples to a"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "lab. This video is sponsored by Simply"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "Safe."}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Oh yeah, looks like someone's trying to"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "sneak in here. What's going on?"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "Uhoh."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "This does not look good."}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "I'm assuming they're going to try and"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "break in."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "Maybe use a tool to break glass."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "Okay. They don't seem to be able to"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "figure it out."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "Huh."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Oh, I see. They're trying the different"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "locks. They're trying [screaming] to get"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "in. Uh-oh. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> you'll be a record. I am escalated to a"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "specialist."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": ">> So, here's what actually happened. That"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "voice wasn't a recording. Simply Safe"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "calls it Active Guard. 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Over the"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "next few months, while Phyllis waited on"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "the lab, photos of what she had dragged"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "off the road became public, and they"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "went everywhere. People in South Texas"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "already had a name for this strange"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "hairless creature. You guessed it, the"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "chupacabra. And apparently the word at"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "the time was that a rancher outside of"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "Quero had one on ice. That fall she had"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "an answer. The samples had landed at"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "Texas State University with a biologist"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "named Michael Forsner. And when he ran"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "the DNA, what he found was a virtually"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "identical match to, get ready for a drum"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "roll, a coyote. Phyllis had handled that"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "carcass with her own two hands. Some"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "kind of disease had stripped these"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "animals down to the hide. And so they"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "took more skin samples off the carcass"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "to try to pin down exactly what had done"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "it. Now, Quero didn't wait. The name had"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "already stuck. And before long, people"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "were calling the town the Chupacabra"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "capital of the world. 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RLE at"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "first thought it was a dog because it"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "was the size of one, but as he watched"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "it, it began to look less and less like"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "a dog. And in fact, it looked like it"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "was built more like a coyote. Except the"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "proportions were pretty off. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "this had short front legs and long back"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "legs. And it didn't have a coat, just"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "this bare ugly gray skin. So RLE reached"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "over and he switched on the dashboard"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "camera. and he told the trainee, \"You"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "record something like this because it's"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "not every day that you see something"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "[music] that you can't put a name to.\""}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "And without the tape, it's just really"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "the two of them telling a story. For"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "about a minute, the camera ran while"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "they followed it. And the thing held the"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "road ahead of the patrol car, moving"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "quick, just this gray, hairless body"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "working along the fence line. And then"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "it was gone off the road, off into the"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "brush. Back at the station though, that"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "minute a video went public pretty quick."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "But for RLE's boss, the difference was"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "obvious. A year of carcasses and now"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "maybe a live one on camera. The office"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "even said openly that it would work with"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "any credible researcher who actually"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "wanted to look at the tape and help"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "solve it. And the description in the"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "news coverage was specific like a coyote"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "but with gray skin, short hair, or none"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "at all. long back legs, short front"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "legs, a snoutlike nose, and two very"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "distinct fangs. Now, there was one more"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "thing worth talking about that made it"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "into the reporting. 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Now, ma, like I'm"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "sure many of you are aware, is a skin"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "disease that strips coyote's bald. The"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "vet got it wrong in both ways. 19"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "animals flagged as sick that weren't"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "[music] and nine called clean that were"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "actually carrying the mites. 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The callers were having a"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "really hard time putting it into words"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "because what they saw was this huge"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "thing like the size of a gorilla, 7 or 8"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "feet tall, you know, maybe 9 ft"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "depending on who was calling. And a"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "weird feature was that it had spikes"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "coming off of it. And it appeared to"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "have five legs. 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And so, he"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "explained to officers that he hadn't"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "meant to cause any disturbance. Now, one"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "of the officers explained that it was"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "very unusual. And before they cleared"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "it, one of them took a photograph with"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "Ethridge and they told him just, you"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "know, be careful. Now, 2 and 1/2 years"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "later, just before midnight, on the last"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "night of April of 2023, a Las Vegas"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "Metro Police officer was out on patrol"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "when this bright light crossed the sky"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "over the city. Now, he caught it coming"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "down, and he could see that it was a"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "glowing streak, dropping fast, and in"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "just a few seconds, it was gone. He"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "barely had time to turn his head and the"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "body camera on his chest was running the"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "entire way through it, the same as it"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "ran on every call. Initially, he thought"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "this could be a shooting star. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "maybe. But he wasn't the only one who"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "saw this because one of his partners saw"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "something fall out of the sky that night"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "as well. And within hours, people across"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "four states were filing sighting reports"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "of the same light from Nevada, Arizona,"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "California, and Utah. 23 reports in all,"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "and the same word kept repeating over"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "and over. Fireball. That's how people"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "described it. Seconds of falling light"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "and then nothing. Now, a handful of"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "those reports had a detail in them that"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "really stood out because some of the"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "people said that they had heard the"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "thing at the same moment that they were"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "watching it. One light showing up across"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "four states at once had to be a long way"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "from almost everybody who saw it. Too"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "far away for the sound to be reaching"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "them right as it passed. Well, nobody"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "really had an explanation. Instead, the"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "reports just kept coming in. About 40"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "minutes after the light crossed the sky,"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "a teenager named Angel was standing with"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "his brother in their family's backyard"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "on the northwest edge of the Las Vegas"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "Valley. And neither one of them could"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "really believe what it was that they"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "were looking at. At the time, there was"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "heavy construction equipment parked"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "across the back of the property. You"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "know, big wheel loaders. And earlier,"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "Angel had heard something come down out"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "of the sky. And so he had turned and all"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "he caught was a big light that was"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "falling. And when he looked over at the"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "loaders, there was actually a figure"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "standing at one of them. But he realized"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "that it was extremely tall. And he tried"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "to size it and couldn't really get the"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "number to hold. I mean, maybe it was 9"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "ft, 10 ft, but he could make out big"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "eyes with a shine to them and a big"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "mouth. And then he looked over at the"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "cab of the loader and there was another"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "one, but it was inside. At the time, his"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "brother was standing right there seeing"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "it as well. And during this, they're"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "trying to work out how do you even say"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "this to a 911 dispatcher. Well, he made"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "the call anyway at 12:29 in the morning."}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "He explained to the dispatcher that"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "there was an 8-ft person out by the"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "equipment and then there was another one"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "inside of it and then it was looking at"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "them and he said they looked like aliens"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "to him, that they were 100% not human."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "He and his brother were completely"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "terrified. And so the dispatcher just"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "asked him to confirm it. Two subjects in"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "the backyard and once he confirmed it"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "and that they were also very large,"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "metro units started toward the house."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "They sent two patrol officers and on the"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "drive out there, one of them said that"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "they were nervous, that he had"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "butterflies. And so when they pulled up,"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "the family was out front and the"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "officers talked to them right there on"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "the lawn. And before the questions"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "really got going, one of the officers"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "leveled with them. And he told them that"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "he wasn't going to BS them, that one of"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "his own partners had also seen something"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "fall out of the sky that same night. So"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "the brothers, they walked the officers"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "through it, the light coming down and"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "seeing the two figures and describing"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "them in detail as best they could. Their"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "mother even told the officers that she"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "had grabbed her iPhone and gone out"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "there hoping to try to record whatever"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "this was, but she wasn't able to record"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "anything, and she hadn't seen anything"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "herself either. Unfortunately, their"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "father couldn't give them anything"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "firsthand because what he knew he'd"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "heard from the rest of the family. When"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "the officers asked about cameras, you"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "know, whether anything on the property"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "might have caught it, the family"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "informed them that there was one camera,"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "but it belonged to the company. and they"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "really had no way to get into it. So,"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "the two of them, the officers, went"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "around back and they could see that the"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "loaders were parked across the back of"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "the property. And so, they started"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "toward them and they were both pretty"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "nervous because they realized that if"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "there was really something out there"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "that they were probably still there and"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "they shined their flashlight beams"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "around and one of them actually ran down"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "the length of the nearest loader across"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "the bucket, over the tires, into the gap"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "and under the frame. and he was just"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "scouting for any sort of eye shine or I"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "mean really anything that would give him"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "a clue as to what they were looking for."}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "A person could realistically only hide"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "in so many spots, you know, behind it,"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "under it, up in the cab, but there was"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "nothing that they could see. When he got"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "to the cab, the one the brothers had"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "pointed at, he quickly put his light up"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "to the glass and he climbed up the side"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "of the machine just to be sure. And as"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "he looked inside, there was no one in"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "there either. Now, by the family's own"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "account, whatever these beings were were"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "still out there. Now, these officers"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "weren't any less nervous because they"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "didn't find anything. In fact, it was"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "even more nerve-wracking because when"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "the family made the 911 call, all of"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "this was still going on. And so, the"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "officers, they kept moving. They kept"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "moving their lights around and they"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "covered the rest of the yard looking for"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "any signs, but they couldn't find"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "anything. So, that's when they decided"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "to widen out. They went down the street."}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "They were knocking on doors. They were"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "getting neighbors out of bed. And they"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "were asking them if they'd seen"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "anything. And when a car came down the"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "road, one of the officers had flagged"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "it. And he instructed the driver that"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "they were looking for this strange"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "light. He told the driver that this"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "might sound like a really dumb question."}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "And then he asked whether anybody in the"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "car had seen a light fall out of the"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "sky. Well, about 12 minutes later, after"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "the cameras had first come up on that"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "lawn, one of the officers went back to"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "the family and asked one more time"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "whether there was any surveillance out"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "there at all, any video of it. Over the"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "next several days, Metro kept working on"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "this case. And even Angel's family"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "waited on any sort of answer that never"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "really came. Nothing anybody found"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "changed the picture from the first"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "search. Eventually, the department"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "closed the event and the word it used"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "was unfounded. Now, at the end of May,"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "Angel sat down with the man named Doug"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "Papa, a retired cop turned podcaster,"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "and he told the story again. He"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "described the beings as silver, maybe"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "green, and wearing nothing. One of them"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "had a leg that looked bent, like it had"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "been broken, but he said he can make out"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "the eyelashes on one in the loader cab,"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "which was 50 ft away in the dark. and"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "his mother, he said, had come outside"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "that very night and had seen them, too."}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "Well, a week later, it went public and"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "local news had gotten hold of the"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "records from that night. You know, the"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "911 call and the officer's camera"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "footage. And when those hit the air, I"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "mean, it just went viral. Everybody"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "wanted the family on camera, and for the"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "most part, they didn't really want to"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "deal with all that. On June 8th, Angel"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "opened a YouTube channel for it called"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "Alien Society 51. And in his first"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "video, he described being able to hear"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "this deep breathing and said he could"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "also see the stomach moving. Even more"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "interesting is that two days after there"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "was an update. It turns out that Netflix"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "and the Discovery Channel wanted to hire"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "him for a documentary. Now, at some"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "point in all of this, the same police"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "department that had closed the case as"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "Unfounded came back out to the house and"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "they installed cameras outside of it. A"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "few days into the frenzy, a factchecker"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "named Sarah Thompson at an outfit called"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "Lead Stories hit play on the video that"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "the entire internet was sharing at the"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "time. Even though it was only 17"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "seconds, but it showed a creature"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "crouched down by a privacy fence."}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "Underneath it, though, the versions"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "going around carry the family's actual"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "911 audio, Angel's voice, swearing to"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "God that it wasn't a joke, and stamped"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "over the frame were titles claiming that"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "this was the real 911 call. But in the"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "corner of the frame, the clip carried a"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "trail camera date stamp, the kind those"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "cameras actually burn into the image."}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "Now, the night of the 911 call was April"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "30th, but the video's own timestamp said"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "it was recorded in May. Now, eventually"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "Thompson traced it back, and the"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "original had gone up on June 9th on Tik"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "Tok from an account called Al Tree"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "Stump, an artist who makes"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "computerenerated creature videos. The"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "original caption labeled the clip as"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "CGI. He built it in Blender, which is a"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "3D animation program, and it took less"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "than a day for all of that to disappear."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "re-uploaders then cropped the credit"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "down and they added the family's 911"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "audio and of course spliced in pieces of"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "news coverage. So while the audio is"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "genuine, the footage, if you can even"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "call it that, is not. Now on June 12th,"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "Thompson published this and at the time"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "an investigator named Kenny Bidd was"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "looking deep into the case. At the time"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "he worked for Skeptical Inquirer, taking"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "apart claimed evidence is what he did"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "for a living. The 23 sighting reports"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "had ended up with the American Meteor"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "Society. Its operations manager, run by"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "a man named Mike Hanky, placed the"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "fireball high at the edge of the"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "atmosphere, roughly 100 miles north of"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "Las Vegas, and it was gone in a matter"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "of seconds. NASA's planetary defense"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "officer Wadeen 2, who was a man named"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "Lindley Johnson. Johnson put the object"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "at under a meter across and hundreds of"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "miles away, and his bottom line was"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "blunt. Nothing from that meteor landed"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "in anybody's backyard in Vegas. Now, all"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "of this is really interesting because"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "none of this explained what the two"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "brothers saw standing next to their"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "loader 40 minutes later. In Angel's"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "tellings, there was a piece of physical"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "evidence, a ring in the yard. Marks, he"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "said, had come straight down out of the"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "sky, and the company's surveillance"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "camera, he explained, had actually shown"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "the yard clean before it went out. So"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "Bidd pulled up the satellite imagery"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "archive for that specific address and he"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "began stepping backward through the"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "years and the circle was there an"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "imagery from April of 2022. So a year"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "before it was the same circle that could"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "be seen. His explanation was that it"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "wasn't a landing mark that it was simply"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "worn tire tracks into the gravel. He"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "even went back through the released body"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "cam record sorting out who had actually"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "claimed to see the things that first"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "night. And it came down to two people,"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "Angel and his brother. There was one"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "part of the record he couldn't read"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "because nobody outside the department"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "could. Minutes of the released body cam"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "are sealed, redacted as private property"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "footage. Now, what was said in that"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "stretch, the public record doesn't show."}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "Bidd's conclusion at the end of it all"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "was that this looked like an elaborate"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "prank. I mean, even the department"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "itself never called it anything but"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "unfounded. And by this point, the family"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "had pretty much gone quiet. It has been"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "years since that 911 call is made. And"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "even though it's still stamped as"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "unfounded, it doesn't exactly answer"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "what the two brothers saw that night."}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "That body cam footage is still sealed as"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "private property. And no one was ever"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "able to definitively prove whether this"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "was a prank or whether it was genuine."}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "Unfortunately, it all remains a mystery."}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "And because you guys made it this far, I"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "want you to all comment down below"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "caught on camera. So that way I know who"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "made it to the end and who didn't. And"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "if you guys enjoy storytelling like"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "this, where we deep dive into strange"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "cases of the mysterious and"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "supernatural, what are you waiting for?"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "Smack that like and subscribe button"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "right now for more content just like"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "this. And as always, I love you all."}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "Keep an open mind and I'll see you guys"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "in the very next episode."}]

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When we"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "see someone, or here's a perfect"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "example, a Sunday afternoon soccer game"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "on television, we can be watching on the"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "couch, lying down, motionless, our heart"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "is [music] racing, we're perspiring, our"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "muscles are tense, but we aren't even"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "moving."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:32", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> Our mirror neurons don't know the"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "difference between us on that soccer"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "field and us watching someone [music] on"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "the soccer field."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "And this is important because these"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "mirror neurons can serve us in very"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "powerful [music] ways. If we see a"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "healing of another person,"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "our brain doesn't know the difference"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "between watching and experiencing,"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "so our brain will begin to produce the"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "chemistry that matches that healing."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "When we see behavior patterns"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> that are unhealthy behavior patterns"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "from a dysfunctional family, we begin to"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "mimic those as well, [music] consciously"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "and subconsciously. So, in this way,"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "it's not unusual for young people to"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "have an alcoholic or an addictive"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "personality without ever touching a drug"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "or a drop of alcohol because"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "they have learned to respond to life, to"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "solve life's problems, and deal with"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "life through [music] the eyes of the"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "addiction from their parents. Their"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "mirror neurons are mimicking what it is"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "that they've learned."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:35", "text": ">> So, the good news is that we never are"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "the victim of our past unless we choose"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "to be defined [music] by our past."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "And many people simply do not know that."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "Many people believe that because of"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "their [music] childhood, their"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "upbringing, or their early adult life,"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "and because of the the bad things that"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "have happened to them, [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "that they have been put onto a path that"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "they cannot recover from."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "And if they believe that, then that will"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "become their for"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "We"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": ">> are beings of choice and we always have"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "the ability"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "to heal from within,"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "to recognize"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:05", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": ">> the past that's brought us to the"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "present moment, and to make new choices,"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "healthy choices that move us forward."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "And as we make those choices [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "inwardly for ourselves, they begin to"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "influence what is available to us in the"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "external world. 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[music]"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "The seeing does not have to happen"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "externally. [music] The seeing can be"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "the vision that we hold in our mind."}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "When we imagine ourselves, when we"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "visualize, when we see ourselves,"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "how do we see ourselves? This is the"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "question. 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But they will respond very, very"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "quickly"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "when we consciously choose to see"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "ourselves [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "in a new light, healthy, vital,"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "life-affirming"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "chemistry in our body is [music] is uh"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "is ignited because we are beings."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "We've all heard the term"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "neuroplasticity,"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "where we can [music] change the neurons"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "uh and the way they fire in our brain."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "That term now extends to the DNA. We are"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "genetically plastic, genetic plasticity,"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "bioplasticity."}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "All of our body, every organ in the body"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "is now [music] documented with the"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "ability"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "to heal itself, to stop the damage, to"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "repair what's [music] happened, and to"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "grow new tissue, even the organs we were"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "told could not. Brain tissue, spinal"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "cord tissue, heart tissue, pancreatic"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "tissue. It's called epigenetics. [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> You know, for"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "the universal theme in all the"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "indigenous traditions that I have not"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "visited every indigenous community."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "Every indigenous community I have"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "visited, they share a common belief that"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "that everything is connected."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": ">> And and that we are part of that"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "connection."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "For a long time, early in my life, I was"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "in school back in 1950s, [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "and in early 70s, that's when I was in"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "school. And scientists were pushing back"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "on that, even Einstein's ideas. Uh he"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "didn't like this is where he struggled"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "toward the end of his life"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "to unify the"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "the forces of [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "of nature, the electromagnetic force,"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "gravity, strong and weak nuclear [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "force,"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "to find an eloquent story, an equation"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "that would tie those together."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:01", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> because he was omitting"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "fundamental force that that [music] ties"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "everything together. And I had the the"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "privilege of being at the CERN"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "Superconducting Super Collider in in"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "2017,"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "where and there's a lot of controversy"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "around CERN, and we can talk about a lot"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "of it that is unfounded. [music] I I"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "will say that. A lot of it is unfounded."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "but the uh"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "in in the experiments that were being"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "conducted there, they were recreating"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "the beginning of the universe in the way"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "that they believed the universe began."}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "Some of those ideas are changing now."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "But the the bottom line is from the"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "first few fractions of a second after"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "our universe began,"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "uh there is a field of energy and it was"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "confirmed in CERN in 2012. They"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "Actually, they announced it on July 4th,"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "2012, Independence [music] Day in in the"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "United States, which is very"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "interesting. Maybe it's a coincidence, I"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "don't know. But the the point is that"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "the scientific community is now on board"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "with the fact that to some degree"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "there's a field that's there. Now, I"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "know you've you've talked with our dear"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "friend and colleague Nassim. Uh and"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "we've had lengthy conversations and we"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "both believe"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": ">> that what was found at CERN"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "uh is an expression of a of a deeper"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "field. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> Uh but the point is the scientists are"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "on on board with the fact there's a"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "field, but here's where it gets"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "interesting. Teresa, I've gone to the"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "conferences now and they still do this."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "These esteemed scientists will stand on"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "the podium and they'll say, \"There's a"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "field out there.\" And their hands do"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "I'm out of I'm out of the frame. There's"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "a field out there that connects all"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "They're still separating us from the"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "field. And And the reality"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "is that every atom"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "The The average human has about 50"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "trillion cells in the body. Each of"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "those cells has about 100 trillion"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "atoms. Every one of those atoms"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "is constantly emerging from this field"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "and collapsing back into the field in"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "this this eloquent dance."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "We are the field. And so when we shift"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "our perception, when we shift our"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "thought, feeling, emotion, belief,"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "breath, and focus,"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "it's not like we're trying to influence"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "something over there."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "We are actually influencing We We are"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "wrinkles in the field. We are"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "disturbances in this field held in place"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "by the consciousness that gives us life."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "And when when that consciousness leaves,"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "we"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:37", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": ">> uh we become homogeneous with that field"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "once again. We go back into the"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "fundamental elements. So, it's a very"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "different way of thinking, but but this"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "is what what we're seeing now. It makes"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "sense that we would influence and have"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "influence over the stuff that's"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "happening in that field."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": ">> And to really start off this discussion,"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "I really like to say this is that"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "the most the most valid science on this"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "planet is quantum physics. And I say"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "that for a very simple reason is that"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "theoretically when quantum physics was"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "proposed, there was a whole bunch of"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "insights and ideas about how the"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "universe works. And nearly 100% of those"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "ideas from 1927"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "turned out to be valid in our new"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "insight of quantum physics."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "The most important principle was"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "actually stated back in 1927 by one of"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "the founders of quantum physics, Max"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "Planck. And he [music] wrote back then,"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "\"The mind is the matrix of all matter.\""}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "What he meant by that was in quantum"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "physics, the reality we are experiencing"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "is a consequence of our consciousness."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "And therefore, we are creating our"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "lives."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "And in fact, even now in a recent"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "article in nature, one of the most"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "prestigious scientific journals on the"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "planet, is Richard Conn Henry,"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "a quantum physicist from Johns Hopkins,"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "concluded that the universe is"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "immaterial, it's mental and spiritual."}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "Again, reinforcing the idea that our"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "consciousness, our mental activity, is"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "what is creating our life experience."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "Then I look around and I say to people,"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "\"Well, how's that working out for you?"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "Are you creating that heaven on earth"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "that we would all love to experience?\""}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "And of course, the answer is no."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "The world is in such great chaos that"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "actually we're facing [music] what is"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "called the sixth mass extinction of"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "life, where our consciousness, as we're"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "operating today, is actually [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "precipitating our own extinction. So,"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "the question is then, if we are creating"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "this with consciousness, then how come"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "all of this chaos is going on? and the"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "answer turns out that while we're"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "creating with consciousness, the the"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "brain is an information processor. It is"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "a vast computer,"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "and there are parallels between a"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "computer and human consciousness in this"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "regard."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "Both of them are operating information"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "processors,"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:09:58", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": ">> the brain, the computer."}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "But the interesting correlation here is"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "simply this. If if we go back and I say"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "in the old days we used to go buy a"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "computer and bring it home and push"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "start and it would boot up [music] and I"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "say, \"Okay, let's do something. Let's"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "make a drawing. Let's write a"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "spreadsheet, or let's create.\" [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "The answer was, \"No, you can't do that.\""}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "And I say, \"Why not?\""}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "Because first you have to put programs"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "into a computer before you can use that"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "computer."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "And this is really in the human"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "development, uh the brain can boot up in"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "the last trimester of pregnancy, it's"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "ready to go, but it can't be used until"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "programs are put in. So, the first 7"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "years of our life is actually when our"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "brain is operating in a state of"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "hypnosis, which in EEG terms is called"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "theta vibration. And I say, \"Why is this"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "relevant?\" Because the first 7 years of"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "our life we're in a state of hypnosis"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "where we download the rules, the"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "programs of how to be a member of a"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "family, and how to be a member of a"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "community."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "After age 7, then we become the creators"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "because consciousness kicks in,"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "self-consciousness."}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "And I go, \"So, what's relevant to that?\""}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "I go, \"Well, self-consciousness is the"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "one that wants to manifest heaven on"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "Earth.\" And I go, \"Well, then if we're"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "capable doing that still, well, explain"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "why we're here.\" And the answer is"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "simply this."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "Self-consciousness, the creative part of"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "our mind,"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "uh can think as well as create. And he"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "goes, \"So, what?\" I go, \"Thinking is an"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "inside [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "job.\" I go, \"So, what does that mean?\" I"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "say, \"Well, if you start to think about"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "something, your self-conscious"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "assessment of the world is not looking"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "out of the world anymore. Thinking is an"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "inside process. And I go, \"Well, what if"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "I'm driving the car and then I'm"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "thinking and I'm not paying attention to"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "what's going on?\" I go, \"Well, here's"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "the important part. The subconscious has"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "programs.\" [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "Like I said, they were most of them were"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "downloaded before age seven."}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "But the subconscious is autopilot. The"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "moment we are thinking, then the"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "character of our life is not controlled"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "by the creative conscious mind, it is"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "now taken over by the subconscious mind,"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "the autopilot."}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "The big issue is only this, 95% of our"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "life we are thinking and 95% of our life"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "is not coming from our wishes and"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "desires creative mind, we are actually"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "creating life from the programs that"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "were downloaded in that first seven"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "The Jesuits have told us that for 400"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "years. Give me a child until it is seven"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "and I will show you the man. What they"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "were saying very simply this is whatever"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "programs went in before seven is what"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "[music] we will express 95% of our life."}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "But it's subconscious, it means it's"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "below conscious. And so when we are"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "thinking, we are playing programs and"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "we're not even paying attention. But the"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "programs didn't come from our"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "creativity, they came from what we"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "downloaded from other people."}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "Serious part is up to 60% of the"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "programs we downloaded before age seven"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "[music] are disempowering,"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "self-sabotaging, and limiting beliefs."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "And now we find out 95% of our life is"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "coming from that. The important part of"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "this program in working with my dear"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "colleague Greg and Lynn [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "is that all of us have recognized the"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "very serious part that yes, we are"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "creating this world, but not creating"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "with wishes and desires."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "The wake-up call is to recognize this."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "We have been programmed. And when we get"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "out of the program, then we can manifest"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "heaven on earth. And the simple example"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "of that is in the movie The Matrix. Uh"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "everyone thinks science fiction. I go,"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "\"No, The Matrix is documentary. Everyone"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "has been programmed. Well, that's a fact"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "of life. And then in the movie they say"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "you take the red pill, you get out of"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "the program. I say, \"Well, what"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "happens?\""}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "And now I just want to close with this"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "because"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "in our lives most of us have taken that"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "red pill at one time. I said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "what happens?\" We got out of the"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "program. I said, \"Then what happened?\" I"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "said, \"We created a whole different"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "experience.\" I said, \"When When was that"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "time we took the red pill?\" And the"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "answer is when we fell in love."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "Because when we fell in love, we stopped"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "thinking. We stayed [music] present. I"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "said, \"So what?\" I said, \"Well, well"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "then we're not defaulting to"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "subconscious programs. When we're"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "[music] staying present, we're creating"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "with our conscious creative mind.\" I"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "said, \"And what happened when we fell in"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "love? No matter how much your life was"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "blah blah blah blah blah, the day you"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "fell in love 24 hours later, you"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "manifested [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "heaven on earth, the honeymoon.\""}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "And this is the clearest and most"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "important understanding and that is"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "once we stay present and stop defaulting"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "to the program, we did manifest heaven"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "on earth."}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "So the inside story that we want to"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "offer in the"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "episodes of this important series from"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "Humanities Team, the emphasis is this:"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "How can we take back control of that"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "creative mind? And instead of living in"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "the chaos that we're living in, all of"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "us collectively manifest the experience"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "of heaven on earth. That is our future."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "And the chaos we're experiencing right"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "now is the push"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "to say, \"We better stop doing what we're"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "doing, take back the control, and"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "through that control manifest heaven on"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "earth for everyone and everything on"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "this planet.\" [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": ">> This is where it's so interesting to me"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "because science is so new."}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "It's only about 300 years old."}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "And the indigenous traditions are"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "thousands of years old."}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "Science and and the scientists that I"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "know"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "have a tendency to discount"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "the indigenous wisdom. They'll say,"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "\"Well, it's not science.\""}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": ">> If they would open their hearts and"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "their minds and work with the indigenous"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "people, the science tells us how it"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "works,"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "but the indigenous people tell us what"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "to do"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:37", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:40", "text": ">> to get it to work. And if you bring"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "those two together, I think there's some"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "very very beautiful [music] beautiful"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "things that can come from that for"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "scientists who are open-minded enough to"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "to allow that that collaboration."}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "There's nothing wrong with with reading"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "them."}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": ">> And sometimes, I mean, it's about I"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "think it's more about the feeling that"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "we have from the codes."}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "Uh I I read them. I still I mean, the"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "beauty prayer I say every day, so I I"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "have it from memory, but some of the"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "Sanskrit"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "uh is very complex, and it's not my"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "native language, and I do read them, and"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "and it's very effective for me to read"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "them when I do. So,"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "uh I think it's again, it's what works"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "for an individual."}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "If where I found when I I'm I keep"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "pointing over here because I've got the"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "book. So, this is the paperback. That's"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "why I keep pointing over there."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "What I found is that very few people"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "read the entire book cover to cover."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "What most people will do is they'll zero"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "in on"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "a part of the book that applies to"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "something happening in their lives, and"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "they'll find a particular code or maybe"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "two wisdom codes"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "that are especially meaningful to them,"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "and that's all they'll ever use. And so,"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "they will by by repetition, they will"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "memorize them"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "just from from habit."}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "Um but I I don't think I wouldn't get"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "hung up on whether or not you have to"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "memorize them or read them. I think it's"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "important it's the feeling"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "because that the feeling they're"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "triggering in the body because the"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "feeling is the epigenetic trigger that's"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "bringing about the biological and the"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "psychological and the emotional shift in"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "in the body."}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "So, um"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "uh maybe read them until you're familiar"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "with them and one one of these days"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "you'll say, \"Wow, I don't need to read"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "them anymore.\" Emotional lubricant"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "that allows us"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "to move that emotion in our body. And by"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "repeating"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:42", "text": ">> the code again and again and again and"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "again, it gave my body permission"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "to allow those emotions to [music] move."}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "Uh whatever it was, whether it was fear"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "or loss or sadness. And"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "you know, it's interesting because um"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "uh I just had the 1-year anniversary of"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "my mother's passing and it was more"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "difficult than"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "when she passed."}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "And I think part of that was because I"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "was so busy"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:10", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": ">> arranging the service,"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "calling the friends,"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "and getting it all together."}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "That was a a diversion, a distraction."}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "And I've often heard it said from grief"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "counselors that the 1-year anniversary"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "can be more difficult."}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "and I wasn't even thinking about it. And"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "all of a sudden I woke up one morning"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "and I I wasn't crying, I was sobbing. I"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "mean, just deep gasps."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "Sob, you know, where you have to catch"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "your breath in between. And I thought,"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "\"Man, what's going on?\" And it was I"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "mean, it was the the 1-year anniversary."}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "And I thought, \"Wow, how interesting.\""}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "And it it's the wisdom codes for for"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "loss."}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "To me, when you repeat them again and"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "again, what you're doing"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "uh is you're acknowledging rather than"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "denying the loss. And in that"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "acknowledgement, you're opening the"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "pathways"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "that allow the chemistry of the body to"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "metabolize."}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "So, when when we feel loss, for example,"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "these are they're literally"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "neuropeptides [music] is what they're"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "called."}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "The neuropeptides in the body have to"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "metabolize."}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "And by reciting those codes, you're"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "opening the pathways"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "for the neuropeptides to metabolize"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "through perspiration, tears, saliva. You"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "have a metallic taste in your mouth"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "sometimes."}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "Uh urine, all you know, many different"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "ways that these things can metabolize"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "out of the body."}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "And the wisdom codes help to do that."}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "that uh"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "I wasn't going to go into that detail,"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "but I wanted to give you an uh"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "a specific example of how I think they"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "help. And for me, reciting them multiple"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "times"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "really and and doing so in privacy."}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "I'm blessed to live uh in a rural area."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "So, I can go into nature and a walk"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "and not have to worry about traffic and"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "cars and"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "traffic lights."}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "I can just walk"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "and allow my heart and my mind to go"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "where they need to go as as I'm reciting"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "the wisdom codes."}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": ">> The experiment suggests that this field"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "of energy, Max Planck's"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "uh matrix, is the conduit that makes"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "this all possible."}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "This field is so new it doesn't even"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "have a a name one name yet. Some"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "scientists are calling it a quantum"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "hologram, others are calling it the"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "field, some are calling it the mind of"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "God, and others are calling it the"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "divine matrix."}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "So, we know that this field is out"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "there. This divine matrix, if you want"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "to think about where it is, it's the"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "pure space where everything begins, the"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "container"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "for the universe, the bridge between"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": ">> what happens inside of our bodies and"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "what happens outside of our bodies in"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "the mirror"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "in the world around us."}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "What we become. And this leads to the"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "what is called the great spiritual"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "mystery."}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": ">> And he stood with a scientist at the"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "podium and made an announcement that"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "forever changed the way we think about"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "ourselves. He announced the completion"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "of the Human Genome Project."}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "However, at the same time, he also"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "opened the door to one of the greatest"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "disappointments and one of the deepest"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "mysteries of science [music] that has"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "yet to be fully resolved."}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "Because the Human Genome Project"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "revealed a flaw in scientific thinking"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "that scientists struggled with for a"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "long time. Here's the flaw."}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "First of all, what is the Human Genome"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "Project? It [music] was from 1990 to"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "2008."}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "This [clears throat] is the Universal"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "Declaration on the Human Genome and"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "Human Rights. I'll just read it to you"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "right here."}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "The Human Genome underlies the"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "fundamental unity of all members of the"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "human family. They thought it would"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "bring us together."}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:57", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": ">> As [snorts] well as the recognition of"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "their inherent dignity and diversity in"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "a symbolic [music] sense, it is the"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "heritage, the collective heritage of"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "humankind. What an awesome project."}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "There was a thinking in the science and"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "I was part of this because I was in the"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "scientific community."}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "Pre-"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "genome, pre-2000,"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "the thinking was this,"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "that one gene in the body creates one"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "protein."}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "All right? For every protein in the"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "body, we are made of proteins, it it had"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "to be one gene"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "uh to create that protein. So, here's"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "the problem. The human body has more"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "than 100,000 proteins."}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "So, the scientists were like frothing"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "[snorts] at the mouth in excitement."}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "They said, \"100,000 proteins, that means"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "we're going to find 100,000 genes."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "We can patent every one of those. We can"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "[music] We can now build drugs, 100,000"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "new drugs to address the problems of"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "every one of those genes."}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "We're home free.\""}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "That's not what happened. Here's what"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "happened."}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "At one gene per protein, they expected"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "at least 100,000 genes would be"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "discovered, but look at this."}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "The human genome only has about 24,000"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "genes. That's it."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "That's not an error of just a little"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "bit."}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "That is an error magnitudes off of what"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "they expected. 24 We are such a complex"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "form of life. For example, look at this."}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "Here's a common mouse. Common mouse"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "has 25,000 genes."}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "It has more genes than we do, but we're"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "more complex life. Look at this, a fly"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "has 14,000 genes."}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "Where's our genes?"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "We're more complex. This is what science"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "is saying, \"Where's ours?\""}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "Where's our genes?"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "24,000 genes. Well, here here [music] is"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "the mind-blower. This is what happened."}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "The answer is where we find our unique,"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "pure human power."}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "This is what sets you apart from all"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "other forms of life because what I'm"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "going to show you"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "is possible you can do consciously on"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "demand when you choose. Here it is,"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "right here. Discovery number 23."}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "What scientists found is this."}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "That the genes are not static. They're"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "not fixed."}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "That human genes are plastic. [music]"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "They are dynamic. They shift in response"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "to the environment."}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "What that means What that means is that"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "one gene can program as many as 100"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "different proteins."}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "It's not one gene per protein."}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "One gene can program as many as 100"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "different proteins."}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "Think about that."}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "That is epigenetics."}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "Because the programming This is where"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "we're going with this. This is why the"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "24,000 genes in the human body can"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "produce 400,000 We've got over 400,000"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "proteins."}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "All right? From 24,000 genes, this is"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "why it's possible."}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "Because those 24,000 genes can shift and"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "change and program differently, and they"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "can do it on the fly. They can do it on"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "demand."}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "It's not set in stone when you were born"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:16", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:18", "text": ">> or when you're conceived in your"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "mother's womb. You come into the world"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "that's what I call the factory preset."}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "So, in the factory of the mother's womb"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "our mother's womb, we have a certain"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "number of genes that get us going."}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "You are not locked into those genes."}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "They change whether you're aware of it"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "or not. And because they do, you can"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "intervene and change them to an even"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "greater degree."}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "This is epigenetics. It's what Bruce"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "found with the stem cells"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "in his early research. But, the"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "epigenetics goes further than we have"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "understood in the past. The new science"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "of epigenetics"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:53", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:57", "text": ">> that says just that."}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "It says that the genes are influenced"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "in many different translations. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "going to go into that detail. The many"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "different"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "different [clears throat] translations."}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "This takes us from the path of victims"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "to masters. Can you see how that would"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "be?"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "If you get only what you get at"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "conception, you are stuck with it."}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "If you got good genes, cool. If you got"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "genes you're not happy with, too bad."}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "But, that's not the case."}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "And that makes you a very very powerful"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "being. Not only do we have plasticity at"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "the biological [music] level with organs"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "and glands. Not only do we have"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "plasticity at the genetic level with DNA"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "and genes, we have neuroplasticity. With"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "neurons, it's all about our ability to"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "change and adapt. And now I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "show you this goes even one step"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "further."}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "We even have the ability"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "to continue producing through what is"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "called neurogenesis,"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "new neurons until the last breath"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "of your life in this world. Look at"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "this. Used to believe"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "neurons were fixed at birth that you"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "have X number. We talked about this"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "earlier."}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "And over the the span of your life, you"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "lose neurons through lifestyle choices"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "and environment."}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "Not true."}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "Neurons form throughout the entire"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "lifetime. [music]"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "From the journal Neuroscience, look at"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "this announcement that was made. The"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "adult brain does grow new neurons after"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "all."}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "And here's where they come from. And the"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "way they found this was the scan."}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "Remember the scan I showed you earlier"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "today?"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "Revealing new information about the"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "human brain."}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "So, look at this. The new neurons, 19"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "2019, right before COVID is when this"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "was discovered. This is new."}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": ">> I worked in the Princeton Engineering"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "Anomalies Research Laboratory until I"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "retired in 2002."}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "But in 1997,"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "I started the Global Consciousness"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "Project."}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "What we have done is to create a network"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "up to about 70 sites around the world."}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "We have a random number generator"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "attached to a computer which collects"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "data continuously."}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "A random number generator is [music]"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "diode and a circuit that pushes"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "electrons through a barrier."}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "We sample a tiny voltage, then we"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "convert that into ones and zeros."}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "If the volt is as high as a one, volt is"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "a low, it's a zero."}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "We usually gather"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:28", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:31", "text": ">> every second 200 of those ones and"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "zeros. So, we have from many of these"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "random number generators streams of"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "data."}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "We extract the data and draw a"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "cumulative deviation graph."}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "What's expected is for that graph to"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "goes up a little, down a little, and"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "does not have [music] a trend."}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "But when some kind of information being"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "added because of consciousness, we'll"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "see a trend upward or downward"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "persistently."}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "There is a correlation between the state"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "of consciousness a person that may have"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "and the way these numbers develop."}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "My name is Roger Nelson. I am the"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "creator and the director of the Global"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "Consciousness Project."}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": ">> He's a five-time New York Times"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "best-selling [music] author and is"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "internationally renowned as a pioneer in"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "bridging science, spirituality, and"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "human potential."}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:29", "text": ">> Ladies and gentlemen,"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "Greg Braden."}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:32", "text": ">> Ilan, my brother."}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:39", "text": ">> It's nice to meet you, RG."}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:41", "text": ">> Ilan and I began putting this program"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "together 15 years ago."}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:46", "text": ">> It's a beautiful graph between one and"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "two. There's a pretty strong trend. It's"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "strong enough that it would be"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "significant. So you have a group who is"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "creating a group consciousness field"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "that's changing the behavior of this"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "random number generator."}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:01", "text": ">> For 300 years, science has asked the"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "question, is there a field of energy"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "that connects everything or is"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "everything separate from [music]"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "everything else? That's the big"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "question."}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:15", "text": ">> The field is the energy."}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "The field is the origin of everything."}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "That's what the music's actually [music]"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "doing."}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "It's connecting to the field."}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "Once you connected to the field, you're"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "in your power."}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:36", "text": ">> My name is Robert Coxson. I'm a composer"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "I've actually"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "always done music since I was 1 and 1/2"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "and it's always been my passion."}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "I always believed that when I studied"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "chemistry and geology and biology and"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "physics,"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "that what I was doing was understanding"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "little pieces of a greater power."}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "It's just that people didn't [music]"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "talk about it. So, I never separated"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "science from spirituality. I asked the"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "question, rather than"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "separating science from spirituality,"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "what if we marry"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "these two great ways of [music] knowing?"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:26", "text": ">> I am a very stubborn man. The"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "stubbornness comes from years of logic."}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "I believe what I see."}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "I have to find out. I have to know. So,"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "I sat down in the chair. I was alone."}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "That is why there was only one avenue"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "that would touch me."}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "And that's my heart. I had such emotion,"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "feeling of benevolence and caring and"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "love I never had."}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "And I realized there's something there."}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "It is real."}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "You still question it."}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "And so, it takes"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "a time to adjust, for it to prove itself"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "over and over and over for you to see,"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "\"Okay.\" Finally, I realized I would have"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "to be on stage. That was almost death"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "for me. The first time, it was only for"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "10 or 15 people."}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "And I I had to change shirts on the"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "break. [music] I was sweating so much."}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "Oh, it was awful."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "I said, \"This is not for me. I don't"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "want to do this. It's not me.\" What"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "Kryon said is use your life in Greece"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "when you were an orator,"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "one who spoke elegantly."}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "I got in front of the crowds. They got"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "bigger and bigger, and I tried. I said,"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "\"Okay, I'm going I'm going in who I used"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "to be when I was relaxed with crowds and"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "all. And you know, the more I did it,"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "there was That's exactly what happened."}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "Now, I don't get nervous at all. The"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "only thing that makes me nervous is I"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "want to deliver the right message."}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "Let us look at the power and the physics"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "of consciousness."}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "Someday,"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "there will be inventions"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "in physics."}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "And when they do,"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "you will see that consciousness"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "is energy."}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "Consciousness,"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "what human beings think collectively,"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "can be measured."}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "Changes things."}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "Moves things. Belief"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "moves things."}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "So, what I see on to answer your"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "question, what I see on my stages,"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "is our community, John,"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "we don't want to take our hurt and our"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "suffering and our trauma into the new"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "world."}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": ">> This is the opportunity to heal the"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "generational trauma"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "that has led to the suffering that we"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "see now, so that the new world that's"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "emerging, it's it's going to be a"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "cleaner world in terms of the the"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "emotional residue that that we're"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "carrying in there. And people"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "consciously want that. They want to heal"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "the the generational trauma. So, how"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "does it happen generationally? I mean,"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "I've had people say, \"Well, I didn't"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "have any kids, so I I'm not passing on"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "the generational trauma.\" Well, here's"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "what happens. [music]"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "Those neuropeptides"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "actually"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "the DNA in our cells is encapsulated in"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "a protein. And that protein responds to"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "trauma. When the trauma is unresolved,"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "the protein"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "locks down on the DNA. It's called"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "spooling. There's a term in biology,"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "it's called genetic spooling."}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "The the the protein will lock down on"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "that DNA and prevent the DNA from its"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "fullest expression in the presence of"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "trauma. If there's a conception, if"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "people have a baby, they will pass that"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "spooling on in the sperm or the egg into"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "the the the offspring, into the child."}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "That's how you transmit generational"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "trauma. And then the [music] the child"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "will be born"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "with the the same spooling or with that"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "same uh uh"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "tightness around the DNA that prevents"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "that full expression"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "until that trauma is resolved. So this"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "is fascinating. I mean, sadly, where a"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "lot of this comes from is they're now"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "studying children."}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "They're"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "the civil war in Syria has been"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "happening for so long that now the"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "refugee camps are are generations in in"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "duration. They've been there for"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "generations. And so now babies are being"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "born in the refugee camps and their"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "mothers are so traumatized, their"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "mothers are passing that trauma onto the"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "offspring. They have uh the brain size"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "is smaller, body size is smaller,"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "cognitive disabilities, all of that is"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "from the generational trauma."}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "Chemically, biologically, it's passed"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "on. So even if you don't do that in the"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "field, in the field, we're also passing"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "that [music] trauma because that we are"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "all linked through our biology to that"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "field as well. So what I'm seeing is"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "that people are aware of that, they're"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "conscious of that, they know that they"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "have the opportunity, and they want to"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "heal. Well, and there are a a of"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "different ways to go about doing that. A"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "lot of different ways. But that's again"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "a long answer to a short question."}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:35", "text": ">> Oh, you're I love the long answers"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "because you build you build a journey"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "that encompasses and and brings [music]"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "everything together. So please do not do"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "not shorten those answers. But that"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "that's one thing that you just said is"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "that we see uh Christina and I host a"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "retreat twice a year, the Yada retreat,"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "year of the one retreat. And one of the"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "things [music] we see more and more"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "often is also there's a certain age"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "group a little higher up that tends to"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "come [music] to the retreats."}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "Is this sentiment of it stops with me"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "and something new begins with me and"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "this is what so many people really want."}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "We see this in family constellation"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "therapy how beautifully you can resolve"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "even trauma that is multi-generational."}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "You don't know nothing about it. It"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "shows up, it presents itself, and it can"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "be resolved. So like you say, the tools"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "are"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "emerging from all areas and they're"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "becoming available. And I believe this"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "is over the next [music] years and"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "decades, the trauma healers, the people"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:30", "text": "that feel called to help others and"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "facilitate that healing, I believe this"}, {"start": "00:37:30", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "will be one of the most important"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "professions over the next years and"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "decades."}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:37", "text": ">> It is right now. I agree. And just for"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "our viewers, I mean it's beyond the"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "scope of of what you and I can do here."}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "I mentioned there are many pathways. The"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "family constellation is is really really"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "powerful."}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "Heart brain coherence that the"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "is pioneered through"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "the Institute of HeartMath and some of"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "the techniques they're doing"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "is very powerful. There are techniques"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "of breathwork"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "where using breath to lubricate those"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "neuropeptides, you don't have to even"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "know what the trauma is."}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "But you will lubricate those and allow"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "those neuropeptides to metabolize and"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "pass in the through through the body."}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "And you know, we do this in in our"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "programs and it's fascinating because"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "those neuropeptides contain"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "uh micronutrients and trace minerals"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "depending on on what the trauma is."}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "That's what they're made of. And as"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "those neuropeptides are being released,"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "people say all the time their mouth"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "tastes like metal or their breath will"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "smell metallic."}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:39", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:41", "text": ">> And they'll pass it through their tears,"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "through their urine. They'll They'll say"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "their urine smells funny. And And I'm"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "not surprised. It's because"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "these uh these neuropeptides, as they"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "are leaving the body, they carry with"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "them those trace minerals and the"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "mineral residues."}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "Uh And it's it's all part of our"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "biology. But John, nobody taught us. You"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "know, I was in school back in the '50s"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "and '60s. [music] I wish someone had"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "shared these things with us. It's a very"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "different way of thinking. There were"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "There were people that knew it. They It"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "just wasn't commonly accepted."}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:10", "text": ">> So, this study was done with the"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "Institute of HeartMath. Participate in"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "uh 1993"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "is when the experiment began. It's"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "published in '94. And what scientists"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "wanted to know [music] was what effect"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:23", "text": "does the human heart that the"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "frequencies of the heart have on DNA?"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "They had pristine DNA they took from uh"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "umbilical tissue."}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:29", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:30", "text": ">> So, it's very pristine. It's not"}, {"start": "00:39:29", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "damaged. It's not aged. It's not"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "deteriorated. They isolated that DNA"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:34", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:38", "text": ">> uh"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "in a tube within a tube. They allowed"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "that tube to be in proximity, close"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "proximity to the heart. It was in the"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "same room."}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "Uh and when individuals trained [music]"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "in heart-based emotion, they were they"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "were feeling in the presence of"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "heart-brain [music] harmony."}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "All right. They were creating emotions"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "of love, appreciation, gratitude,"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "compassion, positive emotions."}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "And look what happened in the presence"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "of love, appreciation,"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "gratitude, compassion,"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "the DNA expanded. [music]"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "Now, that's important because when the"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "DNA relaxes and expands, [music] it is"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "allowed a full expression of all of the"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "genes that are in that segment of the"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "DNA."}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "All right. So, what we're saying is this"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "DNA"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "can express completely in in healthier"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "in a more healthy way in the presence"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "[music] of these emotions."}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "What happened in the presence of"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "negative emotions like anger,"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:41", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:42", "text": ">> hate, jealously, rage? Well, it's just"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "the opposite of what you would expect."}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "Look at what happened in those negative"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "emotions, the DNA contracted. [music]"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "It wound itself up so tight that it was"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "not able to fully [music] express. And"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "this is why when we find ourselves in"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "prolonged experiences, unresolved anger,"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "[music] hate, jealousy, rage,"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "it affects our health because the DNA"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "cannot express fully."}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "So, this [music] experiment is very key"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "under itself because it's telling us and"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "here's what we saw. 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Our our job is to self-regulate"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "[music] those feelings and emotions. As"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "we master those, we can actually change"}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "the shape of the DNA in our cells and"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "regulate our own health, our own [music]"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "wellness, our own youth, our own"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "longevity, uh all all of these things"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "and much much more."}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "So, this is the result."}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:58", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:42:01", "text": ">> Uh human emotion, I love this,"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "produces effects which defy conventional"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "laws of physics. What's that mean?"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "Means you and I are only bound to the"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "conventional laws of physics of this"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "world if we choose to remain bound to"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "those laws. Through our hearts, we"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "[music] may transcend the effects of"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "time and space."}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "And we've seen this. Mystics, yogis,"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "monks, [music] nuns, shamans,"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "curanderos,"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "they've all done these things [music]"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "that appear to us to be mystical, and we"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "feel like only people with special"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "abilities can do them."}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "What we used to think of as"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "extraordinary, I now believe are [music]"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "ordinary abilities that we simply"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "forgot. These experiments are showing"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "us. So, whether we just do whether"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "[music] these experiments tell us here"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "they are right here. First experiment"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "showed that emotion"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "changes the [music] DNA in the body."}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "Emotion changes the shape of the DNA."}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "The I'm sorry, that was the second"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "experiment. [music] The first experiment"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:57", "text": "showed us that DNA"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "changes the way that matter organizes"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "itself [music]"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "in our physical world. So, emotion"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "changes the DNA, the DNA changes matter."}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "If you take out the middle step, what"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "we're saying is emotion changes matter"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "around us and within us. There's a a"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "fundamental difference"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "in the way that we have between the way"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "that we have been taught to think about"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "ourselves and [music] what the science"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "is telling us about the way we actually"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "function. And so, everything that I'm"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "going to do in the course, the way I'm"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "going to answer this question, it all"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "comes down this fundamental difference."}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "So, let me just lay out this this way of"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "thinking first [music] if if you will,"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "Steve."}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "We have been taught that life"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "uh we come into this world So, you can"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "think of it this [music] way."}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "We have"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "two very different models. We've been"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "taught that we come into this world as a"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "vessel"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:52", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:54", "text": ">> that has X amount of life,"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "and we don't know how much that is."}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "And we go through our lives day after"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "day after day, and each day we use up a"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "little bit of that life"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "until we reach a point where [music]"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "we've depleted the vessel, and we can no"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:11", "text": "longer sustain ourselves, and we call"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "that old age senescence, and and"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "ultimately we call it death."}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "Okay, that is a a conventional It's"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "called the standard model. It's It's a a"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "conventional way of thinking. [music]"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "What the science is showing us now is"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "that there is another model that offers"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "us a very, very different sense of our"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "existence."}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:29", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": ">> It looks like this. We come into the"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "world as a vessel. We have X amount of"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "life, and we begin to live. Here's the"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "difference."}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:37", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:39", "text": ">> Rather than using up that life force"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "little by little by little until we"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "deplete it"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:43", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:46", "text": ">> at some unspecified date, what the"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "science is showing us is that life is"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "cyclic, and that's true within our"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "bodies. [music] That life is"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "we can rejuvenate and regenerate the"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "life in our bodies rather than using it"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "up. It's difference between a linear"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "model and a cyclic model."}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:05", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:09", "text": ">> So, in a cyclic model, we are constantly"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "replenishing the vessel. And there are"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "many ways to replenish the vessel, and"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "I'm going to talk about that in the in"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "the program. What the science is showing"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "us very clearly DNA, for example,"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "[music] we know that uh DNA repairs and"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "rejuvenates itself uh about every 2"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "weeks. We know that the the brain"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "uh rejuvenates itself in about 1 year,"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "about 360 65 days. All the cells have"}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "have [music]"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "actually"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "regenerated themselves within that"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "period of time. The muscles in our"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "bodies, our bones, every organ, each"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:44", "text": "organ has a different cyclic period."}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:45", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:46", "text": ">> But, what the science is showing us,"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "Steve,"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "is that every organ in the human body"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "now has been documented with the ability"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "to [music] heal and repair or repair and"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "heal itself."}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "Even the organs we were told could not."}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "Spinal cord tissue, pancreatic tissue,"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "heart [music] tissue, brain tissue."}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "The key is they must be given the right"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "environment. The right environment"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "for that cyclic repair and rebuilding to"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "occur. Now, when I say environment, what"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "does that mean? Could be the external"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "environment. That's typically what"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "people think of and that is important."}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "You know, fresh air,"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "uh you know, uh the water that we bathe"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "with and and ultimately we take [music]"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "into our bodies. That's all important."}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "There's a nutritional environment. Uh"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "what is it that we use to nourish our"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "food? Do we give [music] ourselves, this"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "is a a key question."}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "When we sit down to eat, do we eat to"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "stop [music] being hungry?"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "Or do we eat to to furnish ourselves"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "with the highest quality of nutrition"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "that is available in that moment in"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "time? It's a fundamental question"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "that each of us owe it to ourselves to"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "ask. And the way we answer that question"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "determines that part of that internal"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "environment. Thoughts, feelings,"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "emotions, and beliefs, the energetic"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "environment. Uh many different ways of"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "thinking of the environment. The point"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "is"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "that rather than than"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "accepting this linear way of thinking"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "about life,"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "uh that we lose some of that life every"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "day and that each year we we have less"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "and less and less of a component of"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "life, we can begin thinking in terms of"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "of the cyclic nature of"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "uh of the environment. And that what"}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "that means. And to me this is really"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "good news. It means if you've got"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "something happening in your body and you"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "don't like what's happening in your"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "body, you can teach the DNA,"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "you can reprogram that DNA. The science"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "that supports [music] this is called"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "epigenetics."}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "Uh now, what I'm sharing with you goes"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "beyond what a scientist, an epigenetic"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "scientist may say because they're"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "looking at Petri dishes and they're"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "looking at controlled laboratory"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "environments. I'm working with shamans,"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "curanderos, [music]"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "healers, mystics who have used these"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "principles for 5,000 years in recorded"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "[music] human history. They don't know"}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "the science, but they know how to apply"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "these principles in their lives, and"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "they know how to embrace these deep"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "[music] truths of human existence. But"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "Steve, I believe that we are living a"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "time because the world is [music]"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "changing so quickly, we owe it to"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "ourselves to draw upon every iota of"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "information that is honest. This is the"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "key. Truthful, honest, factual"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "information."}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "We owe it to ourselves to draw upon"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "everything that we have to cross those"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "traditional boundaries between science"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "and spirituality and indigenous wisdom"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "uh and mysticism"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:40", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:42", "text": ">> where it makes sense to cross those"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "boundaries, to cross those boundaries"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "because in nature those boundaries don't"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "exist. Nature doesn't know the"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "difference between biology and geology"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "and chemistry and physics. Nature"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "doesn't know the difference"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:56", "text": ">> between uh you know, the the the healing"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "that's possible and the healing that"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "exists [music] because it's all part of"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "of a continuum. So, when we begin to"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "think differently, and again I'm I'm"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "going to keep coming back to this. The"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "whole point of this program for me"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "is honest, truthful, factual"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "discoveries, information that helps us,"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "gives us the reason to think differently"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "about ourselves and our relationship to"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "the world. And then once we know it's"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "there, we can draw on it when we need"}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "it. But I'm just going to give a"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "caution, Steve, to our viewers, a heads"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "up. Once you have seen the new"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "discoveries, once you have seen the new"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "information, you cannot unsee them."}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "So, by witnessing, by watching these"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "programs, by watching this series, when"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "you make new discoveries about yourself,"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "that's where your workshop begins."}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "Because at that [music] moment you have"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "to say either I'm going to discount what"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "I've heard or I'm going to make room for"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "what I've heard in my life. I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "change the way I think about myself, my"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "relationships, my relationship to money,"}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "my relationship to my body, my"}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "relationship my most intimate and"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "romantic relationships. It all comes"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "down to the way we think about ourselves"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "and [music] solve our problems. We're"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "offering a smorgasbord of new tools to"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:13", "text": "be able to do that. And and this is this"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "is one of the places where I think this"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "this all comes to bear upon our lives"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "today. [music]"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "So, you can't separate your life today"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:25", "text": "from what's happening in the world out"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "there. It's all It's all in the mix. And"}, {"start": "00:50:25", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "as we embrace [music] the new tools, the"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "changes don't look nearly as scary. The"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "better we know ourselves, better"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "equipped we are to deal with whatever"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "life brings to our doorstep. [music] And"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "and that's the the whole point. This has"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "to do with longevity."}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "I mentioned at the end of every"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "chromosome"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:45", "text": "that there are specialized uh portions"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:47", "text": "of the chromosome. They're called"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "telomeres. 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Inside the chromosome,"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "uh you see that they're made up of the"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "DNA. These are long strands of DNA."}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "The DNA in turn is made of shorter"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "segments of the genes all along those"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "long strands. So, that's what we're"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "talking about here."}, {"start": "00:51:17", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "And at the ends of the DNA are"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "protective caps, special sequences of"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "DNA that are called telomeres or"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "sometimes they're called telomeres."}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "Uh and the reason they're there is when"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "a cell divides, it's it's a traumatic"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "experience for the cell [music] to"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "divide. I mean, it"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "it rips in half and it takes half of all"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:40", "text": "that genetic information"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "uh and half goes into the old cell,"}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "remains, half is in in the new cell."}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "The the chromosomes take a hit."}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "And to protect the DNA inside the"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "chromosome, so it's complete. You want"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "You [music] want complete DNA for that"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "new cell. You want it expressing, you"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "know, perfectly."}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "Uh the telomeres on the end are designed"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "to take the hit. If during the division"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "a part of the DNA is not uh does not"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "separate completely,"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "the tel- it will happen where the"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "telomeres are, rather than with the"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "functional DNA inside. So, this is the"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "key. And as we grow older, typically,"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "and this may not be [music] true for"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "you, but typically, the [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "telomeres become shorter and shorter."}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "[music] They become brittle, they break"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "off, uh and the cell can only divide a"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "certain number of times. It's called a"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "Hayflick limit. There's actually a limit"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "to how many times a cell can divide. So,"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "when we first come in to the world,"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:41", "text": "typically, uh newborn has [music] around"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "8,000 base pairs of these telomeres,"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "very long telomeres on the end of the"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "the chromosomes."}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "By the time we're 35, typically, we're"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "down to about 3,000. By the time we're"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "65, down to about 1,500, typically. Now,"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "if you're watching this, you probably do"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "not live a typical lifestyle, and you do"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "all of the things"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "through your lifestyle of nutrition,"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "diet, exercise, movement, all the"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "epigenetic factors, uh"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "that will actually heal and reverse the"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "damage [music] to your telomeres,"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "uh so that you can actually have longer"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "telomeres as you grow older. The beauty"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:17", "text": "of the telomeres, this is just one"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "example, is that you can reverse the"}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "damage to the telomeres at any time in"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "your life. There's an enzyme whose only"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:25", "text": "purpose it is to stop the damage, to"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "repair the damage that's already"}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "happened, and to rebuild and regrow"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "those telomeres so they're longer. Uh"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "and this is a marker for biological"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "aging. As you increase [music] those"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "telomeres, you actually become younger"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "in terms of uh of your biological clock,"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "how long the cells can divide, how many"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "times they can divide."}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:48", "text": "So, I say typically"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "because a typical lifestyle will follow"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "the degradation and the loss. But, if"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "you're watching this, I imagine you are"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "a very informed"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "person. You are a very conscious of the"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:02", "text": "factors that we're talking about."}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "[music] Maybe not in the context, but"}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:07", "text": "you're certainly conscious of these"}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "factors. So, we are the programmers."}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:11", "text": "We're programming the epigenetics of our"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "DNA"}, {"start": "00:54:11", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "every moment of every day through every"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "choice we make. Look at this. We choose"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "the genetic programs. We choose the"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "nutrition. We choose the exercise. We"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "choose the emotions, the perceptions,"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "the thoughts, and the beliefs."}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "And you know all the self-help books"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:26", "text": "they talk about this and the practices."}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "But, if you put this all together"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "and you begin applying this to your"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "life,"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "your body will respond very quickly in a"}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "very, very profound way."}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:35", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": ">> Our perceptions, our thoughts, and our"}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "beliefs, all of these are"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "the keys to us programming our genetic"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "diversity. Our bioplastic programs"}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:47", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "can be conscious."}, {"start": "00:54:47", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "All right. So, these are the conscious"}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "choices that I just talked about. And"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "these include things like affirmation"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "and what is called empowered prayer"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:59", "text": "where we're using feeling-based [music]"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "prayer. We feel the feeling as if the"}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "prayer has already come to pass. And we"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "give thanks and appreciation gratitude"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "for what has already occurred. Very,"}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "very powerful"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:11", "text": "epigenetic [music]"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "program to the body. The key here is"}, {"start": "00:55:11", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "that we are this soft technology."}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "[music] And think about everything I'm"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "talking about here."}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "I'm talking about every cell in the body"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "having electro electrical charge, being"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "a capacitor, a resistor, storing and"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "releasing information, accessing light,"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "[music] receiving photons,"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "giving off photons."}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "We are regulating all of [music] that."}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "And we have the ability to do it"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "consciously through the things that I've"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "just talked about, thoughts, feelings,"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "[music] emotions, beliefs, diet,"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "nutrition, exercise,"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:46", "text": "and now the self-regulation of"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "harmonizing the heart and the brain, two"}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:51", "text": "organs into a single potent system."}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:53", "text": ">> From a a biology perspective, John, when"}, {"start": "00:55:51", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "we"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "just the act of speaking is actually a"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "pretty mind-blowing"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:03", "text": "skill that we learned and we do it so"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "well that we rarely even give it a"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "second thought. But if we really think"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "about it, John, think think about what"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "we're doing every time we speak. What we"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "do is we we take a breath from the world"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "around us"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "and we invite that breath in into our"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "bodies"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "in the most intimate act that you could"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "imagine, taking something from outside"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "of us and bringing it deep into our"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "bodies. And we we bring that air into"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "our bodies"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "and we masterfully and we skillfully"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:35", "text": "compress the air"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "in a very specific part of our body,"}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:40", "text": "just with the diaphragm."}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "And then we begin to flutter the"}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "diaphragm to force the air in the"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "opposite direction that it came from."}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:49", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> And as it is now moving back out of our"}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "bodies, it passes over the two organs,"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "the the two muscles uh that we call the"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:56:59", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "uh the vocal cords"}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "and the larynx, and we vibrate"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "those muscles in just the right way to"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "create the acoustic wave patterns that"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "mirror what we're thinking and what"}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:16", "text": "we're feeling."}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "So the the acoustic waves are actually"}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:22", "text": "mirroring thoughts and emotions, and"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "then we project those acoustic waves"}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "into the world to fall upon the body and"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:29", "text": "the eardrums of another being that will"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "interpret what we're what we're doing."}, {"start": "00:57:29", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "And we really think about it from that"}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "perspective. It is it's a mind-blower."}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "It's an amazing skill. There is a"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "science to to how we do it."}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "And then we tie that into our most"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "ancient and cherished spiritual"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "traditions and in the way that we were"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "taught to use language"}, {"start": "00:57:47", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "to unify us as well as divide us. It"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "opens up the door to a whole new realm"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:59", "text": "of possibilities as well as how we"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "manifest healing in our bodies and"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "abundance in in the world around us"}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "as we are commanding the field and"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "commanding our own inner field as we're"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "commanding the biology of our bodies."}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:14", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:16", "text": ">> Uh so I think as we move into this this"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "realm, John, of of what it means to be"}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "the new human, that has to be a"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:23", "text": "fundamental piece of becoming aware,"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "becoming conscious of how we use this"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "skill of words and language"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "to share"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "our thoughts, feelings, and emotions"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "with others, but also the impact that it"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "has on our own bodies. And the speaker"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "that you're having is"}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:41", "text": "that's precisely what what she is is"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "identifying how"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "not just the acoustic waveforms,"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "but the the non-physical energetic"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "forms, how our body's interpreting that,"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "uh and then expressing and manifesting"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "through genetic expression, silencing of"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "genes, upregulating genes, all of those"}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "things. Conscious language, I think, is"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "is"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "really really one of the most powerful"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "keys for the new human."}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "The question is, do we love ourselves"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "enough? Do we love ourselves enough? Do"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "you love yourself enough"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "to embrace your divinity"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "and live the deep truth of your divinity"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "in your everyday life? And the answer to"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "that question is in the choices that you"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "make every moment of every day in the"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "way that you treat yourself, [music] in"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "the way that you treat other people, how"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "you speak to them, how you honor them"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "with kindness, how you honor them with"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "truth, how you honor them with love. And"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:43", "text": "that's what I wanted to say to you"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "[music] today. So, I want to thank you"}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "for taking a few moments sharing a"}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "little bit of your day with me today."}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "I'm just going to invite you to think"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "about this."}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:53", "text": "Think about this as you go about your"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "day and and ask yourself,"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "\"How can I embrace the deep truth of my"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "existence, my divinity, and make someone"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "else's day a little bit better?\" And I"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "think as you begin to answer that for"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "yourself, what you find uh is the world"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "around you begins to look very, very"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "different. And this is how we transcend"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "this battle, not"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "not fight, but how we transcend the"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:20", "text": "battle for our human is the battle for"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "our divinity simply by becoming the best"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "version of ourselves so we can create"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "the best world possible. Thank you so"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:28", "text": "much for sharing a part of your day with"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "me. Have a beautiful rest of this day,"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "and I look forward to our next."}]

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So, now"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "you have a biology uh silicon interface,"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "all right?"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "And then they loaded that chip into a"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "computer"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "that was uh hosting the game of Pong,"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "all right? So, these are isolated"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "neurons. They're not attached to a"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "human."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "They're in a Petri dish wired to a"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "computer chip. They put them in the"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "computer"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "and here's what happened. All of a"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "sudden, those neurons began to play the"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "game Pong."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "They played the game successfully and"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "the longer they played the game, the"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "better they got. They learned from"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "playing the game."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "All right? Now, I want you to just think"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "about what's happening here and then"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "we're going to explore this a little"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "bit. How does"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "a neuron not attached to a human know"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "how to play a computer game that has"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "been around since 1972? How can that"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "happen?"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "This is what the scientists were"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "struggling with."}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "Where [clears throat] are the"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "instructions for the game? How can"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "neurons in the Petri dish know how to"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "play that game? Where are the"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "instructions?"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "Well, if you've read any of my books in"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "the past, like the book The Divine"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "Matrix,"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "if you've listened to people like Bruce"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "Lipton, Joe Dispenza, you already know"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "where we're going to go with this."}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "Scientists released uh"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "a report in the year 2012"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "and confirmed"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "what many people have always sensed and"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "suspected in their lives. There's a"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "field of information that underlies all"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "of existence. All right? There is a"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "field of information, a field of energy"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "that underlies all existence. Now, we've"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "always talked about it in the new"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "thought community. We say, you know, of"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "course."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "But from the scientific perspective,"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "they struggled with that until the year"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "2012. If you want to know more about"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "that, you can look it up, not now, but"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "later."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "In the year 2012, uh the CERN"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Superconducting Super Collider in"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "Geneva, Switzerland released the paper"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "uh that there is, in fact, a a field of"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "energy and science now accept this. This"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "is not controversial. The controversy is"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "what does it mean?"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "Its existence is not controversial."}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "So, that field now is what many people"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "in the past have called the Akashic"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Records or we've called it the Matrix,"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "the Divine Matrix, the Planck Field,"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "Zero Point Field, all kinds of names."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "There's a field of energy. Energy is"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "information. That's important. Energy is"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "information."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "So, how can these neurons in the Petri"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "dish know how to play this game?"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "Well, here is the answer and this is"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "where your human body and the transhuman"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "movement get really interesting in this"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "conversation."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "The answer is that the instructions are"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "not inside the neurons."}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "All right? The information is not held"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "in the neurons."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "You know, I was um"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "I said I was born and raised in in"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Missouri. When I was in college,"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "Albert Einstein's brain was in a glass"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "jar at a neighboring college, University"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "of Kansas."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "And when Einstein"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "passed this world, they kept his brain."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "They thin-sectioned his brain. They they"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "said, \"What makes Einstein's brain so"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "different from everyone else?\""}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "And you know what the answer is? It"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "looked pretty much like every everyone"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "else's brain with one exception. There"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "was one exception."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "And what they found is that Einstein's"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "brain had a lot more folds in the brain"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "than a typical human brain. What that"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "means is when you take that brain and"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "you stretch those folds out, it means"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "there's more surface area. It means"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "there's more neurons. All right? Why is"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "that important? What we now know is the"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "instructions for those neurons to play"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "Pong,"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "they're not inside the neuron."}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "The neurons, and this is the key, if"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "you're taking notes, the neurons in the"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "experiment"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "are antenna"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "that tune to the place in the field"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "where the memory of Pong lives."}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> Okay, they're antenna. Your neurons are"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "antenna. Your DNA are antenna."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "The cell membranes in your body are"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "antenna."}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "And all of them are tuned to signals"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "that we're receiving from the world"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "around us."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "This is why your body is so important."}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "Your divinity doesn't live in your body."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "Your body is the antenna that tunes to"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "the place in the field where that"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "information lives. None of your"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "memories. Your memories don't live in"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "your body. I mean, you have muscle"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "memory. I'm a guitar player, so I have"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "muscle memory, that kind of memory."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "But the memories of your past, of your"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "childhood, of"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "uh of all of your relationships, of all"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "of your hiking experiences,"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "all those things, they don't live in"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "your brain, they don't live in your"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "cells. Your brain and your cells are the"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "antenna that tune to the place in the"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "field where that information lives."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "That's why telepathy is possible. That's"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "why remote viewing is possible. 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And what he reported was that"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "there were rings around the planet"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "Jupiter."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "the scientists at that time believed"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "that he missed his target"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "because they said, \"There are no rings"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "in Jupiter. You must have seen Saturn."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "You're you're reporting on Saturn.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "they thought he missed his target."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "Couple of months later, the first images"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "of Jupiter came back. Lo and behold,"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "Jupiter has rings."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "They're made of uh of a material"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "different than Saturn, so they don't"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "show up on the telescopes. Saturn is icy"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "rings that reflect light. Jupiter's"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "rings are made of a different material,"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "dust, that doesn't show up on the"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "telescopes."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "So, his remote viewing knew more about"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "the planet"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "than we knew until the actual"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "photographs come back. How is that"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "possible? Because the field allows"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "consciousness to move through time and"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "space to different locations. 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And there's"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "lots of reasons why that can happen."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "So, this principle opens the door to a"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "lot of discussion, a lot of"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "conversations. But where I want you to"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "focus on right here, the antenna"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "tune to the place in the field where"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "Pong lives. What that means is the"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "antenna in your body, the neurons, the"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "DNA, the cell membranes in your body are"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "antenna that tune to the place in the"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "field where your divinity lives."}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "Your whole body."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "Okay, DNA, membranes of the cells,"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "neurons in the heart, neurons in the"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "brain are the antenna that tune to the"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "place in the field where divinity lives."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "So, let me just ask you a question."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "If your body is the antenna and you"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "begin to replace your body with"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "synthetics,"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "you begin to replace your natural"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "chemistry and your natural biology with"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "computer chips and chemicals and RFID"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "chips and sensors, what does that mean"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "for your body's ability to access your"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "divinity? Well, there's a lot of you"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "here and I'm looking all over. I'm just"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "going to tell you the answer right now."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "The more of your body that you lose to"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "technology, the more difficult it"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "becomes to access your divinity."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "That's the transhuman movement."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "The transhuman movement to replace us"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "with that technology, synthetic life"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "cannot access divinity."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "So, when you"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "have problems thinking about this, come"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "back to this experiment and and just"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "think about that. I mean, it's"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "I'm I'm still amazed, and I've shown"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "this many, many times."}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "Isolated neurons are able to play a game"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "because those neurons are tuned to the"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "the field where that game lives."}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "Think about this way."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "If you've ever tried to learn a foreign"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "language,"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "French, Spanish, uh Tibetan was hard for"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "me. It's a very interesting language to"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "learn. Or music, as a musician, if I'm"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "trying to learn a a piece of music,"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "guitar music, there's a a guitarist"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "Steve Vai. Some of you know Steve Vai."}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "He's an amazing guitarist. And when I'm"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "trying to learn a piece of his music, or"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "I'm trying to learn a foreign language,"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "at first it's awkward, and we go through"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "the motions. Phonetically, we say the"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "words of the language. On my guitar,"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "I'm, you know, awkwardly finding those"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "notes. And all of a sudden,"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "one day you wake up and you're thinking"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "French, or you're thinking Spanish, or"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "you're thinking Tibetan, or you're"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "playing like Steve Vai. How does that"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "happen? Here's Here's the deal."}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "It takes about 72 hours. I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "I'll show you the slide in a little"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "while."}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "It takes about 72 hours"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "for the neurons in your body to connect"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "to other neurons to form the antenna"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "that tunes to the place in the field"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "that supports what it is that you're"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "trying to learn."}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:30", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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I had stage four lymphoma."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "And [music] on that day, I had slipped"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "into a coma. I then entered into what I"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "would [music] call a state of incredible"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "clarity where I understood why [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "I had the cancer."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "My tumors shrunk by about 70%"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "within four days after coming [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "out of the out of the coma. And the"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "doctors couldn't explain it."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> What I believe actually healed me from"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "cancer"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "is [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "I learned that the most important thing"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "that I can do"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "is to love myself unconditionally."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "[music] Love myself as though my life"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "depends on it because it does."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "On that day, I had slipped into a coma."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "At that point in my life, I had cancer."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "I'd had lymphoma for four years."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "And by that point"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "my"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "the cancer had spread, the lymphoma had"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "spread starting from my neck. I had"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "tumors, some of them the size of lemons,"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "and they had spread from all around my"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "neck down under my arms to my breasts,"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "all the way down to my abdomen."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "I had fluid in my lungs, so every time I"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "would lie flat, I would choke on my own"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "fluid."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "I I had these great big open skin"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "lesions"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "um where fluid liquid was coming out of"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "these big open skin lesions."}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "And basically, I was at the very final"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "stages of my life."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "And on They said I wasn't even going to"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "make it through the night."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "But [clears throat] during that time"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "when I was in the coma,"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "I was actually aware of not only what"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "was going on in the room around me,"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "but I was aware of what was going on"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "beyond. Not just beyond the walls, I was"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "aware of what the doctors were saying"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "outside my room, down the corridor, what"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "they were telling my husband and my"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "family."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "But I was aware even beyond that."}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "I became aware of my father who had"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "passed away 10 years prior, and my best"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "friend."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "But most importantly,"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "I felt amazing."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "I felt incredible."}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "I felt like I was loved unconditionally,"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "like never before."}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "It was like I didn't have to do anything"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "to be worthy of being loved. I was"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "worthy and deserving just because I"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "existed. I didn't have to prove myself."}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "During that experience,"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "I had an a choice of whether to come"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "back into my physical body or not."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "And at first I didn't want to come back"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "because it was so incredible on that"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "side, and who would want to come back"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "into a sick and dying body?"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:25", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "I then entered into what I would call a"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "state of incredible clarity, where I"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "understood why I had the cancer. I"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "understood how"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "incredibly powerful"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "and amazing"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "I, in fact, everyone, every single one"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "of us actually is, and we don't realize"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "it when we are in our physical bodies."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "And I realized in that moment that"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "knowing what I know now,"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "if I chose to go back into my body, I"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "would heal very, very quickly."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "And it was in that moment"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "that I felt my father saying to me, \"Now"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "that you know the truth of who you"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "really are, go back and live your life"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "fearlessly.\""}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "And it was in that moment that I started"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "to come out of the coma,"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "completely surprising my family members"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "and the doctors."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "The My tumor shrunk by about 70%"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "within 4 days after coming out of the"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "out of the coma,"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "and the doctors couldn't explain it."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "They did biopsies, and they did scans,"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "and within 5 weeks,"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "all the cancer was gone. 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I will never"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "let other people walk all over you ever,"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "ever again."}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "For anyone who has or has had cancer,"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "I'm not saying that"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "you deserved it or it was your fault or"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "you caused it."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "But in that moment,"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "I realized"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "that I had never loved myself."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "And what I have learned,"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "as I mentioned earlier, what if this is"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "heaven, what I learned"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "is that how much we love ourselves, how"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "much we realize we are worthy and"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "deserving,"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "that is what determines how much of"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "heaven"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "we experience here in this physical"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "life."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "And then you go and you try to share"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "this with the world and people tell you"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "you're delusional."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "The last time somebody told me I was"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "delusional, I almost fell off my"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "unicorn."}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "That's why nowadays, I only hang with"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "people who indulge my delusions."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "Loving yourself"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "also means"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "being your own best friend."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "It means being there for yourself,"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "no matter what. 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When you"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "love yourself, you're more likely to"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "work through them"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "with love and compassion"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "than if you hated yourself."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "Because how much time are you how much"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "time and energy are you willing to"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "invest in someone you hate?"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "And the more you love yourself"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "the more you'll be able to to"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "that state of heaven right here and"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "So, on that note, I'd like to leave you"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "with this message of love yourself like"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "your life depends on it because it does."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "Thank you very much, New York. Thank"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "you. [applause]"}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "It's interesting because there's this"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "movie called The Matrix. If anybody ever"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "seen this movie, well, if you go to the"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "movie video store, you'd have to find it"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "in science fiction. But I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "tell you a simple truth. This movie is"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "not science fiction. This movie is a"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "documentary."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "You have been programmed."}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "You're only creating 5% of your life"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "based on your wishes and your desires."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "95% of your life is coming from the"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "subconscious programs. You say, \"And"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "others that knew about the programming"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "took away your power.\" That's how there"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "are more powerful people in this world"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "and less powerful people because I'm"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "going to give you a simple fact."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "Everybody's equally powerful. And the"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "answer is so profoundly simple."}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "They didn't get more power."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "They just took away your power."}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "Today, I want to talk about one that I"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "think is really exciting. It's called"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "the honeymoon effect. The science of"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "creating heaven on earth. It's kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "interesting because people that knew me"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "20 years ago or earlier actually were in"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "shock that I wrote a book on"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "relationships. They looked at me as Mr."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "Pathology of Relations. And so when this"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "book came out, I'm sure a lot of heads"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "turning at the same Bruce Lipton. And"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "the answer is yes. Because this is an"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "exciting understanding of the"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "application of the biology of belief."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "And what is the honeymoon effect? So I"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "ask you all to go back to a time in your"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "life. Go back to a time where you fell"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "head over heels in love with somebody."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "The three questions are this. When you"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "were in that state of love, were you"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "healthy? And it turns out almost"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "everybody when they go back to that time"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "realized they were exuberantly healthy"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "when they were in love. I also asked the"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "second question. I say when you were in"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "love and that big honeymoon kind of"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "thing, did you have energy?"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "Yes. You know, you made love for days"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "without stopping for food or sleep."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "But more importantly, let's ask this"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "question. When you were in the throws of"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "love, was life so beautiful you couldn't"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "wait for the next day to get up and have"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "more? And why was that important?"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "Because here's what it was. You created"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "heaven on earth. And why is this"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "important? This was not an accident."}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "This was not a coincidence. This was not"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "chance. This was actually what you"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "created."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "And the significance about this is"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "simple."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "You created the honeymoon effect and you"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "unconsciously lost it. My significance"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "of being out here is to tell you a how"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "you created it, why you created it. And"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "the most important thing is how come you"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "lost it and why is that important?"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "Because there's a science behind it."}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "There's a science and the significance"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "is profound for this reason. If you"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "understand how you created the honeymoon"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "and you understand why you lost the"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "honeymoon, then think about the simple"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "reality. You can go back and have a"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "honeymoon experience heaven on earth"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "every day for the rest of your life if"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "you understand what happened. And this"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "is what my whole emphasis is all about."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "And in the process, it's real"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "interesting for me because I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "suggest a cosmic joke that could blow"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "the whole world out. And it goes like"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "We have been programmed to believe that"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "you come to this planet, you have your"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "life and then you die and then you have"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "a possibility of going to heaven. I want"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "to offer a different suggestion. Just a"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "suggestion"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "that you came, you were born into"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "heaven."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "This is heaven. This is where you come"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "to create. This is where you come to"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "experience. This is where you take away"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "with you with your life after it's over"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "all the memories and experiences of this"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "planet. When you are in your spiritual"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "self, that creative end doesn't work as"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "much anymore. And the significance is"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "this is heaven. And yet you will look"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "around and you would say, Bruce, how in"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "the world can you even think that this"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "earth is heaven? Look what's going on."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "And I'm going to tell you this, there's"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "a science that says that somebody else"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "is manipulating your creation. And I"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "want you to understand how you got"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "manipulated because when you take your"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "power back, when you take your"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "individual power back, we will turn this"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "place back into the heaven that was"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "given to us by God in the first place."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "So this is what it's all about."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "There's this wonderful quote by uh Lewis"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "Thomas, a biologist. I just love it. is"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "beyond our imagination to conceive of a"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "single form of life that exists alone"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "and independent and unattached to other"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "forms. This is the first step of"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "understanding relationships and it goes"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "like this. Every biological organism on"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "this planet is part of a community. When"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "an organism is removed from the"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "community, the life of that organism is"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "threatened and may not survive. So it's"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "a biological uh uh influence that says"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "you were born to be in a community. So"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "seeking community is a natural part of"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "every organism on this planet. What's"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "interesting is the nature of the"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "community and the power of it is"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "illustrated in horses. When people raise"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "horses, they observe that when um um a"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "mayor uh and the stallion have a cult,"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "they raise the cult like a child. the"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "cult acts up just like children every"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "now and then and gets rambunctious and"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "the parents have to do something to try"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "to put the cult back in the line. So one"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "of the first things they do if a cult"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "acts up is they nip at the cult and they"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "nip saying this is don't do this. Well,"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "if that doesn't work, guess what? The"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "most profound punishment that the horse"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "can give its cult is the following. If a"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "cult doesn't respond to the parents, the"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "parents push the cult out of the"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "community. They don't let the cult come"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "back into the community. Every time it"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "tries to come in, they push it away. It"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "is the fastest lesson teaching mechanism"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "that these horses have. And I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "say to you, look, I know you look for"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "love. I know you try and find love. I"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "know you do find love. And I know that"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "sometimes you lose love. And no matter"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "how much you lose it, you still want to"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "come back for more love. I want to tell"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "you something. This is not an accident."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "This is not a con, you know, a"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "condition. This is actually part of a"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "biological reality and it's referred to"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "as the biological imperative. You've"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "seen tornadoes."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "Can you drive a car through a tornado?"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "Think about it. Tornadoes coming. Can"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "you accelerate your car and drive"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "through a tornado? Yes or no?"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> Absolutely not. If you hit a tornado,"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "it' be like hitting a stone wall. Why?"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "It has a force field. It will push back"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "on you. So you're made out of nano"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "tornadoes called atoms. And when you"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "push on somebody, you're not pushing on"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "a physical structure. You're pushing on"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "an energy field. So the hardest thing in"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "our world is to let go of the fact that"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "we think everything is so physical when"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "in fact everything is energy. And when"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "you take it apart and look at the atoms"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "down to the bottom nitty-gritty,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "everything is energy. Two energies that"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "are in harmony with each other can come"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "together and add up and add more energy"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "than two of them as separate entities."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "And why is this important? Well, I'll"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "give you the physical name. It's called"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "constructive interference. That's when"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "two energies in harmony come together."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "They interfere with each other, but it's"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "constructive because the resulting"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "energy is more powerful than the single"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "energy. And you say, \"Oh, Bruce, this is"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "so sciency. Where the hell is anything"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "to do with people? So here's what I'm"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "going to tell you about and the answer"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "is simple because you have experienced"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "constructive energy interference. You"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "have personally felt what I am talking"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "about but you didn't call it"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "constructive interference. You refer to"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "it as good vibes."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "What are good vibes? You felt good"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "vibes. I can tell you what it was. You"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "were in some place. There were other"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "people with the same harmonic energy as"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "you. And when you met them, their"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "energy, your energy came together and"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "you were elevated because of the two"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "energies giving you more power. And this"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "is the nature of community. As"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "individuals share, come together, the"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "power is raised in everybody in the"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "community."}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "And what are bad vibes? Bad vibes are"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "you're in some place and you feel"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "vulnerable. You lose your energy. You"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "feel weak. You're something is wrong."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "And you can feel it in your body. And"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "what is it telling you? you're losing"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "energy. I say, why is that important?"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "Well, if energy is life and you lose"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "energy, you're losing your life. And"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "this is the communication that tells an"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "organism whether they're in the right"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "place or the wrong place, be it a"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "bacterium or a human, it doesn't make"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "any difference. You read the energy of"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "every place you are and everyone you"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "meet. And this becomes very critical"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "because when you're looking for"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "relationships, you want a relationship"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "in any form that advances and empowers"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "your energy, not one that takes away"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "your energy. Humans, unfortunately, we"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "went beyond our our capacity because"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "what do we do? What did we learn as"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "children? Don't go by your feelings."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "Listen to what the person has to say. I"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "say, \"Wow, biggest mistake you've ever"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "made in your entire life.\" Because words"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "can cover up truth and feelings. And our"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "whole idea is this. Vibration is always"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "true. The words could be false. If you"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "would read the vibration of an"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "individual and trust your ability to"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "read your heart vibration, you will know"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "exactly if you're with a person you"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "should be with or not. If you listen to"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "the words, you're going to buy the"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "Brooklyn Bridge and and they're going to"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "give you flowery wonderful words of how"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "great they are and they're going to rip"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "you off. That's why every organism"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "except humans, the primary means of"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "communication is vibration. We have that"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "ability, but we fail to use it. And we"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "must use it because if you're looking"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "for a relationship, you're really"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "looking for the positive vibes. What's"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "the relevance? The things you bring into"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "your life are not accidents. The things"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "that come into your life are things that"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "resonate with your thoughts. And"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "therefore, when you look at your world,"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "are you bringing in happy people? Are"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "you bringing in love and all the joy?"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "Are you bringing in aggravation and pain"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "and all that? And I'm going to tell you"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "why it's important. Those things didn't"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "just show up at your doorstep. They"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "matched your thought process. And all of"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "a sudden, you realize you are creating"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "with your thoughts. And it becomes very"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "critical because you're not a victim of"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "your biology."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "You're a victim of your thoughts. I"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "select one embryionic cell, put it in a"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "petri dish all by itself. So like at the"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "top every 10 or 12 hours the cells"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "divide. First one cell 2 4 8 16 32."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "After a week I've got 50,000 cells in"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "the petri dish. But here's the most"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "important point about the cells. They're"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "all genetically identical. They came"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "from the same single parent cell. So I"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "have 50,000 genetically identical cells."}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "That's not the experiment. This is the"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "experiment. I take the cells out of this"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "petri dish and put them into different"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "petri dishes, but I change the"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "environment for the cells. So, I take"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "some cells out of the dish, put it in"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "environment A. The cells form muscle. I"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "go, \"Okay, wait, wait. Go back to the"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "same dish, take more cells out of that"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "dish, and put it into another dish,"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "environment B with a different"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "chemistry. They form bone. Wait, wait,"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "wait. go back to the same dish, take"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "more cells out, put it into a third dish"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "with a different environment, and the"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "cells form fat cells. The environment,"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "yes, even though they were genetically"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "identical, which is the biggest key, the"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "genes didn't determine the fate of the"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "cell, the environment determined the"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "fate of the cell. The genes offer"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "potential. The environment selects from"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "that potential. So when I say"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "epigenetics, I am literally saying above"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "the gene. It's a science that says genes"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "control nothing. This is a a little"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "thing you mislearn somewhere along the"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "way that genes are controlling your"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "life. It genes have no"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "self-actualization."}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "Genes don't turn on. Genes don't turn"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "off. Genes don't control anything. But"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "genes are controlled by something above"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "the genes. Epigenetics. Epigenetics is"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "the environment. So I take a dish of"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "cells. Simple point. Listen. I take a"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "dish of cells and put them in an"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "environment that's not that great, less"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "than optimal. What happens to my cells"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "when I put them in a petri dish where"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "the environment is not any good? What do"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "you think happens to the cells? Okay,"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "I'll tell you."}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "The cells get sick and the cells begin"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "to die. And if I could have a cell"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "physician show up at the house, which is"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "unlikely, but I could bring one up, I"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "would say to that physician, \"Take a"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "look at my cells.\" And the physician"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "would look in there and go, \"Bruce, your"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "cells are sick.\" And I say, \"I know."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "That's why I called you.\" And he says,"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "\"We should give them some medicine.\" And"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "I stand up and I go, \"Absolutely not."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "Give them no medicine.\" You go, \"What's"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "wrong with you?\" I say, \"You want to"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "make the cells well? Listen to this."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "Just take the petri dish from the bad"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "environment, move it back into the good"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "environment, and the cells will"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "instantaneously get well.\" So all of a"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "sudden you have absolute power over your"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "genes when you understand the"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "environment you are creating for your"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "cells is determining their fate. The"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "genes do not control you. You control"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "the genes. So all of a sudden when you"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "look at your human body, it's not a"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "single thing. It's a giant community of"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "cells. So here's the joke."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "You are skin covered petri dishes."}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "You've got 50 trillion cells under here."}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "Why is it relevant?"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "Whether it's a plastic dish or a skin"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "dish, move it to a bad environment, the"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "cells will get sick. Move it back in"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "good environment, the cells will get"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "well. So all of a sudden, your cells in"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "your body are exactly responding to the"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "same thing as cells in a plastic petri"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "dish is. In my plastic petri dish, the"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "culture medium was controlling the fate"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "of the cells. I say, \"Yeah, but in your"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "skin covered dish, what controls the"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "fate of your cells?\" And the answer is"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "the culture medium which is what? Blood."}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "So why is this relevant is the fact is"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "that you are controlling your expression"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "by changing your chemistry. And I say"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "yeah but what causes your chemistry? And"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "I say the composition of your blood."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "Then I say yeah but what controls the"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "composition of your blood? Your mind."}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "And I'm gonna go into that why. It's"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "your mind that can create the suboptimum"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "environment for your cells and cause"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "illness. Change your mind, change your"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "environment. That's what it's all about."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "So to give you a simple thing, let's say"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "you sit here, you open your eyes, and"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "someone you love is in front of your"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "eyes. I say, \"What does the brain do?\""}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "Oh, the brain releases dopamine,"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "oxytocin, vasopressin, growth hormone. I"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "say, \"What about those chemicals? What"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "do they do?\" They give you the feeling"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "of love. They give you the feeling of"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "health. They actually make you healthy."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "If I take those chemicals and put them"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "in a plastic petri dish, the cells grow"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "exuberantly well. That's why people glow"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "when they're in love. The chemistry from"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "the brain is fulfilling the absolute"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "chemical needs of your cells, giving"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "them full health. I go, \"Yeah.\" Same"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "person opens their eyes, but they don't"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "see someone they love. They open their"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "eyes and they see someone that scares"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "them. So, they're not in love, now"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "they're in fear. And I say, \"The love"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "chemicals don't come out of that person."}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "Now, a whole different set of chemicals"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "come out. Stress hormones, inflammatory"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "agents, chemicals of protection,"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "chemicals of walling yourself off, and"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "all of these chemicals shut down the"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "system. If I put the chemicals of fear"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "that come from your brain in a plastic"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "petri dish with cells, the cells stop"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "growing and begin dying. Fear kills. It"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "kills because the chemistry doesn't"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "support life. But the significance is as"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "you go up the EV evolutionary scale,"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "babies are born less complete. As you go"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "higher and higher, it takes a period of"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "time for an infant of higher organisms"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "to be self- sustaining, self-sufficient."}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "I say, well, let's say in a human, how"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "long does it take? Well, we have to say"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "probably at least 13 years. I say, why"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "is that important? And the answer is"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "this. by nature's understanding to make"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "reproduction successful,"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "they need to have a couple come together"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "for at least 13 years. I said, well, how"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "does nature ensure that? And here's the"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "fun part. You ready?"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "Nature rewards you when you do something"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "right by giving you pleasure. Pleasure"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "is in relationships. Pleasure is what"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "keeps you together. Pleasure is nature's"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "way of saying, \"Stay together for the 13"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "years for that kid.\" When you fall in"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "love, guess what? Serotonin levels go"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "straight up. Why is that important?"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "You're addicted to love. You're addicted"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "to love. Why? Because nature said this"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "is required for the biological"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "imperative. Now, here's the critical"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "part about the mind. Just listen to"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "this. It's a short sentence, but it"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "means everything in the world. If you"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "understand this one short sentence, the"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "function of the mind is to create"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "coherence between what you believe and"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "the reality you experience. Think about"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "that. If you believe that you're not"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "worthy of love, then by definition, the"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "behavior that you will express will"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "reveal that you're not worthy of love"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "and you won't get there. So all of a"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "sudden, you start to realize then what's"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "happening in your life is dependent upon"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "the mind. What are your thoughts in your"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "mind? And this is where we all get"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "screwed up because there are two minds."}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "To understand the nature of the most"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "important part of the mind, I want to"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "talk about raising an elephant in India."}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "How do you tie up an elephant that's 12t"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "tall? You tie up an elephant that's 12"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "feet tall to your house when you're not"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "looking, it'll just pull your house"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "down. So, how do you tie up an elephant?"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "The answer is simple. When the"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "elephant's young and it's only a couple"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "of feet tall, you tie a big rope on its"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "leg. And every time the elephant's not"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "working in the field or something, you"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "tie the elephant to a big stake and they"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "got this rope. Every day the elephant"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "gets up and says, \"This rope can't get"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "away from the rope. It kicks. It rolls"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "on its back. It It just flails out"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "trying to get away from the rope.\" After"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "two months, the elephant realizes when"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "the rope is on its leg, it can't go"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "anywhere. It tried everything. It can't"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "escape the rope. So after two months,"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "guess what? It has learned now that when"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "the rope is on its leg, it can't go"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "anywhere. But now this elephant is 12"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "feet tall. I say, \"Well, how do you tie"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "up an elephant that's that big?\" The"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "answer is you just tie the rope on its"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "leg. You don't even have to tie it to a"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "stake. You just tie the rope on. The"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "moment the rope is on, the learned"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "program of helplessness"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "exceeds. And then what happens is the"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "elephant doesn't even try to move"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "because it's already learned the rope"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "doesn't let me move. So it doesn't even"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "try. Why is this important? I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "tell you all right now. All of us have"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "been disempowered like that monster"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "elephant by the programming that we got"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "in the first years of our lives. We all"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "have ropes on our legs that were put on"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "to us by our community and our family"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "and the programming that we received"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "when we were very young. We are so"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "powerful and have no belief in our own"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "power. We've been programmed not to."}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "Two minds, conscious mind, subconscious"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "mind. Most important thing you have to"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "know is this. We have been misled about"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "their connectivity. They are two"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "interdependent minds. They're not the"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "same mind. They work together, but"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "they're separate and they learn in"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "different ways. If you didn't know this,"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "this is the secret to life. The"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "conscious mind is you. It's your"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "identity, your source, your spirit, your"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "uniqueness. You are in the conscious"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "mind. Imagine the conscious mind, that"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "lobe of tissue with a desk, and you sit"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "behind a desk and look out the windows"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "called the eyes. You're sitting there."}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "That's who you are. Number two, the"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "conscious mind is the creative mind. You"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "were programmed by just observing your"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "parents starting at age zero. The moment"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "you were born, your brain was designed"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "to observe others and learn their"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "behavior. The first six to seven years"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "of a child's life is called the"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "programmable period. Why? And here's the"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "secret. You ready? Theta is hypnosis."}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "Theta is hypnosis. A child through seven"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "is in hypnosis. Guess what? No"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "consciousness. When does consciousness"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "begin? Seven. Why is it relevant? Then"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "the programming before seven is"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "downloaded without your ability to"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "criticize the programming. You just"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "downloaded whatever the hell you saw."}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "You watch your mother, you watch your"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "father, you watch your family and how"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "they live and that became your behavior."}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "Not only do we learn inculturation in"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "this period, but we also learn who are"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "we as individuals. How do you know who"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "you are as an individual? And the answer"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "is because other people tell you who you"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "are. You record them word for word. It's"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "hypnosis. Parents are coaches. Parents"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "are trying to coach that kid to be"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "member of the family team. So, how does"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "a coach work? Coaches are critical. When"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "a athlete isn't doing well, the coach"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "says, \"Come on, you can do better than"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "that. That's not good enough. You don't"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "deserve this.\" If the kid is under seven"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "and hears these things, there's no"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "consciousness. They're recording. What"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "are they recording? Not good enough. You"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "don't deserve this. You're not lovable."}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "Who do you think you are? You're a"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "sickly child. Why is this relevant?"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "Think about that. We all came from this."}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "If you were under seven, you didn't"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "consciously try to understand what your"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "parents said. You recorded that. And"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "every time we've done uh belief change"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "programs and workshops, we start off"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "with a question of people make a"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "statement, put their arm out, do muscle"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "tests. And the statement is this. I love"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "myself."}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "80% or more of the people in every"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "program will not test positive to that"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "statement. And you say, \"Wow.\" And I go,"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "\"No, no, you don't get it. If you don't"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "love yourself, by definition, you cannot"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "be loved by anybody else. And if you"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "don't love yourself and your mind's"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "function is to do what? Take your"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "beliefs and turn them into reality. If"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "you don't love yourself, you will"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "sabotage yourself and lose all your"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "relationships because of a belief of not"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "loving yourself. I say this, go back in"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "your life. You must have had a friend"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "you were very close with at some time."}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "You knew your friend's behavior very,"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "very well. And I say, you also knew your"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "friend's parent. And at some point you"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "saw that your friend has some of the"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "exact same behavior as their parent. You"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "get excited and you want to tell your"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "friend and you go, \"Hey, you know, Bill,"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "you're just like your dad.\" And you back"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "away from Bill."}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "Bill goes totally ballistic. How can you"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "compare me to my dad?"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "Most people are familiar with this. I"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "go, \"It's one of the most profound"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "stories I can tell you for a simple"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "reason. Everybody else can see that Bill"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "behaves like his dad. Who's the one that"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "doesn't see it? Bill. So your life is"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "not created by wishes and desires. Your"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "life is created by programming. You have"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "been programmed. And the programming has"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "been psychologists will tell you 70% or"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "more disempowering, limiting, and"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "self-sabotaging."}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "That's your subconscious mind. And it's"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "been passed from generation to"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "generation. Why? Because parents don't"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "even know they're teaching you that"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "stuff. Why? Because the kid doesn't talk"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "to the parents. The kid observes and"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "watches everything the parent does. And"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "so if the parent came with bad behavior,"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "the child will have bad behavior. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "But the parent where to get its behavior"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "from its family and its family. And the"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "significance is things run in families."}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "And when we used to look biologically,"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "anything that ran in family was genetic."}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "And it turns out with epigenetics, the"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "story is different. A wandering mind is"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "an unhappy mind. Well, of course, when"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "your mind is wandering, then you're"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "playing your subconscious negative"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "programs. But here's a little point"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "about it. Mind wandering occurred in all"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "these samples taken during every"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "activity except making love. Here's the"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "point. When you fall in love, the"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "conscious mind stops wandering. Think"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "about it. Why would the conscious mind"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "wander when everything you were looking"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "for is now in front of your face? Why"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "would you send the conscious mind off on"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "a vacation? Everything you wanted is"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "there. So guess what? Guess what? When"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "you fall in love, you and your partner"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "are both operating from 90 to 100% from"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "your conscious mind. I say, why is that"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "relevant? Conscious mind, wishes,"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "desires, and aspirations. When two"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "people are creating their entire lives"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "from their both wishes, desires, and"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "aspirations, that is called the"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "honeymoon. So when you go back out into"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "the world, the biggest and most"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "important thing you have to understand"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "is simply this."}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "You created the honeymoon by not being"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "in the program."}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "That's as simple as that. I say, why is"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "that relevant? Because you can change"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "the subconscious programming. You can"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "change the programming. I say, well,"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "what would be the relevance of changing"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "the programming? And the answer is"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "simply this."}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "Imagine if you wrote programs in your"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "subconscious mind that matched your"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "wishes and desires and aspirations. What"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "would be the consequence of that? And"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "I'll tell you what it is."}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "It's a honeymoon that lasts every day of"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "your life for as long as you live on"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "this planet. Why? When you're paying"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "attention, you're operating from wishes"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "and desires and aspirations. And when"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "you stop paying attention, you're"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "operating from wishes and desires and"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "aspirations."}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "and others that knew about the"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "programming took away your power. That's"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "how there are more powerful people in"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "this world and less powerful people"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "because I'm going to give you a simple"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "fact. Everybody's equally powerful. And"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "the answer is so profoundly simple."}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "They didn't get more power. They just"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "took away your power. Wow."}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": ">> And they did that with programming. But"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "you must remember"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "it's not your fault. You weren't there"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "for the programming. It was put into"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "you. The words victim, blame, guilt,"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "shame, among others"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "only apply. Listen, only apply if you"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "understand how things work. And in"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "knowing that knowledge, you do something"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "against it. If you didn't know how"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "something worked, then you cannot be"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "blamed for it. You cannot be guilty of"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "it. You can't have shame. Nobody even"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "told you. But now that you know the new"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "way, from this point on, living the new"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "way is what you want to do. But you must"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "let go of the past. You must let go of"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "everybody's past that didn't know this."}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "Take the past as a learning and let go"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "of all the personal connection with"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "that. It was knowledge. But take that"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "knowledge from today and move forward"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "with the power of who and what you are"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "because 95% is coming from the"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "subconscious and the subconscious does"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "not learn that way. The conscious mind"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "could learn from reading a book, going"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "to a lecture, watching a video. The"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "conscious mind can go aha and that's all"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "it took to learn."}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "Subconscious mind does not learn that"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "way. The subconscious mind only learns"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "through two main ways. hypnosis, which"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "was the first seven years of your life,"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "and then habituation, which was"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "everything after that. How did you learn"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "anything? How did you learn your ABCs?"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "How many times did you repeat it? How'd"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "you learn your timetables? How many"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "times did you repeat it? How did you"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "learn how to drive a car? How many times"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "did you practice? You want to educate"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "the subconscious mind, then you've got"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "to do a different process than doing the"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "education of the conscious mind. And"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "remember this, please."}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "When you talk to yourself to improve"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "your life, don't get frustrated. Don't"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "get frustrated that nothing changes."}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "I'll tell you why. Because the first"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "question is this. Who the hell are you"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "talking to? Oh, I got such stupid"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "behavior. I hate that behavior. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "come on. Don't do that behavior again."}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "Don't eat that donut. And all of a"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "sudden, I find myself eating a donut"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "again. What What the hell am I doing"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "eating a donut? I hate Well, okay, I'll"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "eat it, but The whole idea, why am I"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "eating the donut? I kept telling myself,"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "don't eat the donut. And the answer is"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "so profoundly simple."}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "There is nobody in the subconscious"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "mind. It's a record playback device like"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "a tape recorder. There's nobody there."}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "You are in the conscious mind. No entity"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "exists in the subconscious mind. So"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "talking to the subconscious mind,"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "expecting it to change is as valuable as"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "talking to a recorded device and then"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "asking to program the change by talking"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "to the recorded device. It will not do"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "that. But you can change. You can push"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "the record button. You can use"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "self-hypnosis tapes. My first program"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "change was a Hay House Louise's tape on"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "uh changing belief. I I put that on the"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "earphones at night because every night"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "as you go to bed, you go through theta."}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "And as you go through theta, any"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "earphones on your ears are going to be"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "going into the hypnosis state of your"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "brain. That's why it works. Otherwise,"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "you have to make habits. Habits means"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "you have to do something. Not just think"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "about it. You have to do something. This"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "is a periodic table of elements, 118"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "elements. All of them form chemistry"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "except for one group. There's a group on"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "the end called the noble gases. All the"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "other atoms in the periodic table create"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "chemistry. The noble gases don't. Why?"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "Because they have something that they"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "can inform us about. Something that's so"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "critical. And it works like this. All"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "atoms spin. They're like nano tornadoes."}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "But if the charges are not equally"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "distributed, then that means as they"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "spin they wobble. So here are three"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "atoms a noble gas argon. The outer shell"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "is completely filled. So there's means"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "that all the slots in the outer shell"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "are completely taken. There's no slack."}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "I have here a potassium ion. It's got"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "one electron in its outer shell, but it"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "needs eight. So it's missing seven"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "electrons. So it's not in balance. It's"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "got an extra electron on the side."}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "Chlorine"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "is missing an electron from its balance."}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "It could take one electron and add"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "balance, but it's missing one. So,"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "potassium and chlorine are not in"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "balance. Noble gas is. And when we're"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "watching these, we see these wobbly ones"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "come together. But guess what they do?"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "They create a bond and share the one"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "electron. Now, they're both spinning in"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "balance. And I go, \"Wow, that's a great"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "relationship.\" Except for the fact it's"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "called codependency."}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "Argon is in self. It's a, you know, self"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "love, agape love. Why? It spins in"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "perfect balance. Here's the point. Where"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "does the wobble come from? Not being in"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "balance. Where do we as atoms get"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "wobble? Our programming throws us out of"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "balance. If our programming is not fully"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "supportive, we wobble. Why is that"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "important? Because we're always seeking"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "a mate. If you're wobbling,"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "what kind of mate will you seek? Think"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "about it for a fraction of a second."}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "You're going to find somebody who's out"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "of balance because two out of balance"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "ones comes together and they can create"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "balance. You go, \"Oh my god, that's so"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "great. We're we're balanced finally.\""}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "And I go, \"No, you're still in"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "codependency.\" Why? Because potassium"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "can say, \"Screw you. I'm going out and"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "fooling around. You need me.\""}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "Oh, don't go and don't. I need you."}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "That's codependency. Noble gases"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "uh can be hit by a photon of light. And"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "when they get hit by a photon of light,"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "they become enlightened noble gases."}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "They're not only they imbalance, but"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "they're enlightened. And I go, why is"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "that relevant? And the answer is this."}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "Because when a noble gas gets"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "enlightened, it will seek another noble"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "gas to make a partnership. that other"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "partnership they come together."}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "I love the name. A partnership of noble"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "gases is called an excit"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "because they're both excited. And what"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "happens when two noble gases come"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "together because one of them got hit by"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "a photon of light? They give off laser"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "light. That's where lasers come from,"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "noble gases. And why is that relevant?"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "And the answer is simply this."}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "If we become balanced and we rewrite"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "those programs in the subconscious mind,"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "when we become balanced and start to"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "spin that way and then we become"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "excited, then we find other people are"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "in balance and we start to spin with"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "them and we make relationships and we"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "give off laser light and light up this"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "world. The light we're looking for that"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "this planet needs is us. We just are out"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "of balance."}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "Heaven on earth is a reality. It's here"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "for you every day of your life. Every"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "day you can wake up in the juicy love"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "and share it and spread it because the"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "light you're going to give off is going"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "to ignite others because when you give"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "off a photon of light, other noble gases"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "will pick it up and they'll become"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "excit. And that is our destination. We"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "must let go of the vision that this is"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "hell in any sense of the way because"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "it's only a programming that did that"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "because we were given the gift to be in"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "love and have a honeymoon and live in"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "heaven and you've touched it and that's"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "why it's so important. It's nothing that"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "is just an idea in your head. You've"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "actually done it. Now you can make it a"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "way of life and that's what we need"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "because we're looking to bring back the"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "light to this planet and you are it."}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "Thank you very much. Thank you."}]

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[music] If you were"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "raised in a family where everybody was"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "manipulated by guilt, then you're"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "probably going to do the same thing."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "You're probably a person who runs around"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "saying, \"I'm sorry,\" [music] all the"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "time. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. and you can"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "never ask for anything outright because"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "you always want to manipulate somebody."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "But these are old family [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "patterns and it's very easy to blame our"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "parents and it's very easy to blame our"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "childhood [music] or our environment."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "But the problem with that is that it"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "keeps us stuck. We don't get to be free."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "We get to stay in our victim thing"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "[music] and that's no good for anybody."}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "Then we just get to keep having our"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "problems. But remember, you're in charge"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "now. Doesn't matter what [music] your"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "parents said. Doesn't matter what"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "anybody else did."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "How wonderful. Great group. I feel good"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "energy."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "Yes. So, let's ask once more. How many"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "people here have barriers?"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "Okay. Yes. All right. I think almost all"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "of us do. You know, we do so much work"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "on ourselves"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "and still somehow barriers keep coming"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "up and I find that many of them fall"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "into about four different categories."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "They're either criticism, their"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "resentment, their fear, or their guilt."}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "Those are the four ones we work on"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "mostly, the ones that really are in the"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "way. Yes. Let's take a nice deep breath."}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "And if you brought any stuff in with"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "you, just let's let it go for the time"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "being. I've been a sort of my eyes going"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "in many places seeing what's happening."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "I'm letting all that go now so that I"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "can just be here and concentrate on"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "being with you. And if you think for a"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "moment about your own patterns and your"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "own problems and the things that hold"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "you back, which categories do they fall"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "into for yourself? Maybe they fall into"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "two or three. Is it fear that always"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "comes up? Is it guilt that always comes"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "up? Is it resentment? Are you very very"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "critical? What is the thing that is your"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "barrier? Now remember, our experiences"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "always reflect our inner beliefs."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "And if you want to know what what your"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "inner beliefs are, you can literally"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "look around at your experiences."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "Now, I know that you've heard me say"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "many times or you've read or on the"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "listened on the tapes that loving"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "yourself is the most powerful thing we"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "can do. Then everything flows."}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Everything flows beautifully. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "not talking about vanity or arrogance"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "because that is not love. That's always"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "fear. I'm talking about just really"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "respecting and appreciating this"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "incredible magnificent being that we"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "are. You know, little babies know how to"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "love themselves. You were born in pure"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "love. All of you. There's not one little"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "baby alive I that I know of that ever"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "criticizes its body or ever says, \"My"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "hips are too big.\" Have you ever heard a"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "baby say that? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "They're just thrilled and delighted that"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "they have a body"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "and they rejoice in it and they love"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "themselves. They love their toes. They"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "love everything about themselves. They"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "absolutely adore. They express their"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "feelings. You know, when a baby is"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "happy, you know it. When a baby is"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "angry, the whole neighborhood knows it."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "They're never scared to let people know"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "[clears throat] how they feel. They live"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "in the moment. And they're filled with"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "courage. And they're wonderful. And we"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "were all like that. Got to remember that"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "you were filled with courage and you"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "were full of love and you adored"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "yourself when you were very little. And"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "then what happens is we start to grow up"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "and we start to listen to people that"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "were frightened or critical or resentful"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "or guilty. And many of us grew up with"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "people like that."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "You know, if you grew up in a family"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "where there was criticism was the norm,"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "then you're going to grow up to be a"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "critical person. You're going to look at"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "everything in life as with criticism and"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "you probably criticize yourself and"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "other people and you won't enjoy life"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "nearly as much as you could. If you grow"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "up in a family where you were not"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "allowed to express anger, then either"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "you're a person who is terrified of"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "anger or you swallow it down all the"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "time and you let it sit in your body. If"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "you were raised in a family where"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "everybody was manipulated by guilt, then"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "you're probably going to do the same"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "thing. You're probably a person who runs"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "around saying, \"I'm sorry.\" all the"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "time. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And you can"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "never ask for anything outright because"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "you're always want to manipulate"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "somebody. But these are old family"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "patterns. And it's very easy to blame"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "our parents and it's very easy to blame"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "our childhood or our environment. But"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "the problem with that is that it keeps"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "us stuck. We don't get to be free. We"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "get to stay in our victim thing. And"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "that's no good for anybody. Then we just"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "get to keep having our problems. But"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "remember, you're in charge now. Doesn't"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "matter what your parents said. Doesn't"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "matter what anybody else did."}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "It doesn't matter what you learned. What"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "really matters"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "is what you are choosing to think and"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "say now. Because you're the only person"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "that thinks in your mind. So you are"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "always in charge and you're creating"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "your world and your life."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "Now I have known that one of the most"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "powerful affirmations you can use is I"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "love and approve of myself."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "I love and approve of myself."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "And when you first say that it's amazing"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "what can come up and come to the"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "surface. Lots of times when we begin to"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "say that all the negative messages come"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "to the surface. And it's marvelous"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "because that gives us an opportunity to"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "know what's been in the way. And when"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "you find a negative message, if you"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "could write it down, it's wonderful"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "because you want to think, I found a"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "treasure. This is something that's"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "really in my way and really creating a"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "problem. Remember, we get to choose the"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "way we think. And we can choose to"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "change the way we think."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "It's always our choice."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "Now, what I'd like you to do right now"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "is take out those little mirrors that"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "you have. I know everybody has a little"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "mirror."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "Now, let's see if you can look in your"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "eyes without primping."}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "See if you can manage to do that."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "I want you to look in your eyes"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "and I want you to say, \"I love you.\""}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:29", "text": ">> I love and approve of you exactly as you"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "are."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:37", "text": ">> Okay. Now, just begin to notice"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "what you're feeling. Don't judge it."}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "Just notice what are the feelings that"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "are coming up. Acknowledge the negative"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "message."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "Just acknowledge it. And you can always"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "say, \"Thank you for sharing.\""}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "And realize that the the negative"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "messages that are coming up now are very"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "much the things that are in the way of"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "you loving yourself. Okay. What I want"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "to do right now is let's do a just a"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "little bit of sharing. Okay. I want to"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "know what sort of messages are coming up"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "from you."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "H."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:14", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": ">> Fear."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": ">> Who would be upset if you really loved"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "yourself?"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": ">> Me."}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. It"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "always goes back farther. Who would be"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "upset if you really loved yourself?"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": ">> My parents."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:31", "text": ">> Your parents. Which one? Both of them."}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:32", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": ">> Totally. Mostly."}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> What was the family message?"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": ">> Um, always judgmental. Always um"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": ">> Uhhuh. And"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> okay, so you came from a critical,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "judgmental, resentful family, right?"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": ">> Okay, fine. So you're a wonderful and"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "fearful. Oh boy, you really got it all."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": ">> Okay. It just means that you have a"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "little more to work on. But see, it's my"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "belief that the main thing that we"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "really come here to work on is loving"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "ourselves in spite of what they say and"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "in spite of what they do. And that's"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "what we really need to do. So okay,"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "you've got things. You've got criti,"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "you've got judgment, you've got"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "criticism, you've got fear, probably a"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "little guilt in there, too. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "Who else wants to share something that"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "from the mirror?"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:24", "text": ">> Yes. Over here."}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": ">> Um, when I I didn't really think of"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "anything when I looked in, but when you"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "asked just to sit back, I felt that it"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "wasn't real."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> It wasn't real."}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> That this whole exercise I mean, I I was"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "looking at myself in the mirror, but I"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "thought this isn't real. It's not. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "just a pretend exercise. I just felt"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "like it wasn't real."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:43", "text": ">> Okay. Yes. Is it the first time you've"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "ever done that?"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> Look in a mirror and say, \"I love you.\""}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": ">> Okay. You know, a lot of people when"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "they first do it, you start getting the"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "barriers and the resistance up. And"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "that's okay because remember resistance"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "is the first step to change. Couple, how"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "many people got angry?"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "How many people got sad? Ah, yeah. lots"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "of s you know what happens when you look"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "in the mirror and you say I love you for"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "the first time that little child inside"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "says where have you been all this time"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "I've been waiting and they said waves of"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "sadness come up because remember you've"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "probably been rejecting that little"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "child for a long long time okay let's"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "have somebody else"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> immediately I felt like how can I love"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "someone this fat and this ugly and be so"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "awful And you know that I did it. I do"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> What's so awful about you?"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": ">> Um that I'm fat and ugly. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": ">> Besides, you said fat and ugly and"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "awful."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": ">> Because I do so I I guess because so"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "much of my past I did so much so wrong,"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "you know, or I"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:57", "text": ">> Well, it sounds to me like ever since"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "you were a little girl, you've been"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "trying to survive in the best way that"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "you could and trying to protect"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "yourself. You know, excess weight"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "usually has something to do with"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "protection. And it's a time when we're"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "not feeling as safe as we could be. And"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "so we put on some protection to take"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "care of ourselves. But if we make"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "ourselves bad for that, then we say"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "stuck and we never get to feel safe. So"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "see now it isn't that the the weight is"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "really an outer effect."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "You look in the mirror and it"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "immediately brings up what is really"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "there. That's why I love the mirrors."}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "And it's either going to be, I tell you,"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "fear or criticism or resentment or"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "guilt. And you have a good strong fear"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "thing. Okay? [gasps]"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "Take a deep breath and just be real"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "proud of yourself for having all the"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "courage that you have."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "And of course, you know, the thing we"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "really need to work on is forgiveness."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "And that's the one that's really it's"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "hard for everybody, but some of us have"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "made it harder than other times. It's"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "very helpful when we've gone through"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "difficult childhood experiences to uh"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "learn as much as we can about that"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "person's childhood because remember no"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "matter how badly that person behaved at"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "that time they were born a little baby"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "in pure love."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "So what happened to them along the way?"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": ">> I really had no problem with the saying"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "I love you. I don't know why, but when"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "it got to approve of myself just as you"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "are,"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> it was history. I couldn't even say it"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "out loud."}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": ">> Uh-huh. Okay. So, [clears throat] you"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "have lots of things that you don't"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "accept about yourself at the moment,"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:43", "text": ">> apparently. So,"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:45", "text": ">> all right. Well, you know, this this"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "goes straight into the criticism thing."}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "You see, when you're dealing with"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "criticism and you criticize yourself,"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "all you do is stay stuck. It keeps you"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "in the place. If you think about it, the"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "things you've criticizing yourself for"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "now are the same things that you"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "criticized yourself for for years,"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "right? Same same stuff. Well, when were"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "we going to learn that it doesn't work?"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "It doesn't work to criticize ourselves"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "if we're going to change. That doesn't"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "work at all. So, let's try another"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "tactic. Let's approve of ourselves as we"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "are right here and right now so that we"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "can then bring out the best in"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "ourselves. The things that you probably"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "don't like about yourself right now are"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "things that"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "patterns that you've created to deal"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "with something. But if you come from a"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "space of loving and approving of"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "yourself, then you're going to find more"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "positive ways to fulfill those needs."}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "When you love who you are,"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "you automatically"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "bring out the best in yourself. And I"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "guarantee if you will be willing to"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "begin to love and approve of yourself as"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "you are, a lot of negative stuff is just"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "going to disappear from you cuz you"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "won't need it anymore. But see, if we're"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "critical to ourselves, then we have to"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "have things to criticize"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "so we can keep the critical pattern"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "going. Yes, there was a gentleman right"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "here. Right here. And we'll do this. And"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "then"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": ">> I discovered that I was feeling"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "vulnerable that there was a um a feeling"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "of being fragile about loving myself."}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "Mhm."}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": ">> And I I think it had something to do"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "with I'm so used to feeling not loving"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "myself."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": ">> Yes, it would it would be a very fragile"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "thing. You know what it's like when you"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "pick up a newborn baby and especially if"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "you've never done it before. You look at"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "this thing and you think, \"Oh, I'm going"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "to drop it. It's so fragile. You don't"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "know what to do and you want to sort of"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "put it in your arms and you're not you"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "don't know how to do it because how do"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "you hold the head?\" And it's and that's"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "it's the same thing. It's like you have"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "a new baby and think of it that way and"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "just you know it's wonderful thing to"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "nurture and you know how it is when you"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "fall in love with somebody and how"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "wonderful it is and your heart feels so"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "good. Well, when you get that going with"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "yourself,"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "it's the most incredible thing because"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "other people can leave you but you don't"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "leave yourself."}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "So many people [snorts] fight loving"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "themselves and it's the one thing that's"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "so incredible. So that's what we need to"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "work on. And what we're looking at today"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "really is the barriers that are in the"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "way. But remember there are only"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "thoughts and thoughts can be changed."}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "Now resentment, let's talk about"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "resentment a little bit. It's a biggie"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "for many of us. Resentment is when you"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "know anger is fine. I mean, anger is a"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "normal natural emotion. Babies have it"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "all the time, and you know it when"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "they're angry, but five minutes later,"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "they can be totally out of it and their"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "smile can light up a room because"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "they're in the now. They do it, they"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "express it, they get it over with. Too"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "many of us were raised in families where"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "we weren't allowed to be angry. Anger"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "was not acceptable, except maybe in one"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "person. And so we swallow it down. And"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "swallowed anger becomes resentment."}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "Again, we have to realize that we are"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "the ones that are holding on to it."}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "Nobody else is involved at all. It's"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "something about running the old movie in"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "our mind over and over and over again."}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "And if we want to be free from it, if we"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "want to get out of it, then what we need"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "to do is to go beyond it. But remember"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "again resent resentment is only a"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "thought and a thought can be changed."}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "You know the so many people ask me about"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "how to love yourself. How do you love"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "yourself Louise? Because I talk about it"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "all the time. So I made a list of how to"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "love yourself and it's even in poster"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "and postcard form now. But number one on"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "that list of how to love yourself is to"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "stop all criticism. Just stop it now and"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "forever more and make a vow to yourself"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "that you're going to do your very best"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "from now on to stop criticizing number"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "one you"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "and then other people. It'll be a lot"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "easier to stop criticizing other people"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "when you stop criticizing yourself."}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "Now, number two on that list is stop"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "scaring yourself."}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "And here we go into fear. How often do"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "you terrorize yourself with your own"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "thoughts?"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "You get into absolute terror and it's"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "only coming from your thoughts. Nobody"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "out there is doing a thing. Sometimes"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "it's an old family pattern. Sometimes we"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "get new things. I would like people when"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "you have time to make a list of your"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "fears."}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "Make a list of your fears and then give"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "yourself the opportunity to turn each"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "fear into a positive affirmation."}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "Turn each one into something positive."}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "And remember always you are in charge."}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "You are always in charge."}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "See, one idle thought doesn't make a"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "whole lot of difference. It's like a But"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "thoughts are like drops of water. You"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "drop a drop of water on the table here"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "and it doesn't mean much. But if you"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "keep dropping and keep dropping and keep"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "dropping, you get the table becomes a"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "wash and then you get a puddle on the"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "floor and then you can get a little pond"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "and a lake and finally you can create an"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "ocean. And with our own thoughts, we can"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "drown in a sea of negativity"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "or we can float on the ocean of life."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "And it's up to us. The thoughts we think"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "accumulate."}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "So you want to turn those fear thoughts"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "into positive affirmations."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "Let them work for you."}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:21", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:23", "text": ">> All right. Now come closer. Thank you."}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": ">> Okay. Then I say, \"Okay, I've changed my"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "thought. I've changed my thought. And"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "then when I'm unaware, the old thought"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "comes back again."}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:31", "text": ">> Okay. All right. And then you say,"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": ">> well, I haven't learned anything."}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": ">> Oh, well, that's one way to get yourself"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "stuck."}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": ">> You you hear what a strong affirmation"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "that is. I haven't learned anything."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:43", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:46", "text": ">> But I for even forget that that's an"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "affirmation. We talk about doing"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "affirmations, you know, and that we"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "think of, okay, we'll do affirmations."}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "But what we forget is that every single"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "thought we think and every word we speak"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "is an affirmation. And far too many of"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "them are very negative. Now, it's a"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "normal and natural process that you go a"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "little forward, you come a little back."}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "You go a little forward, you come a"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "little back. It's part of practicing. I"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "don't think there is any new skill that"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "you are going to learn that you are"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "going to learn absolutely 100% in 20"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "minutes. Now, we're all in a practice"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "period. We're learning what to do. And"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "one of the things we want to learn to do"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "is to stop beating ourselves up. So, we"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "we learn something and then we do the"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "old way again. And it's like we test"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "ourselves. How are you going to treat"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "yourself? Are you going to say, \"Oh, I"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "didn't learn anything.\" Or are you going"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "to say, \"Okay, that's all right. We come"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "on. Let's do it the new way.\""}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:44", "text": ">> How do you know when you've forgiven"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "yourself? And how do you know when"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "you've forgiven?"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:52", "text": ">> Because your life works. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "You see, when you really love yourself"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "100%. Every single thing in your life is"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "working."}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "And if things are not working in some"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "area of your life, whatever it is, then"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "that's an area where you're not loving"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "yourself as much as you could."}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "You see, you can turn these old negative"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "thoughts into positive affirmations."}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "Like the, you know, I'll never I'm never"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "good enough or I'll never be good enough"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "can be turned into I'm wonderful just as"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "I am. Now, it may sound not true to"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "begin with, but remember, if it were"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "true, you wouldn't need to do an"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "affirmation. An affirmation is planting"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "a new seed in the ground."}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "And a seed that's planted in the ground"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "takes a little bit of time. You don't"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "plant a seed in the ground and get"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "instant lily. You get a seed in the"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "ground and the seed has to germinate,"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "take root, and only after that does that"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "first little chute come up and then you"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "have to nurture it. So it takes a little"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "while to continue and to do them. But"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "how much time it is, it depends on how"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "much time you're going to give it. Now,"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "a lot of people want to do affirmations"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "and they will do affirmations maybe even"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "10 minutes in the morning, you know,"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "which is sort of a lot. You sit down and"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "do your affirmations for 10 minutes or"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "you write them so many times. What are"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "you doing the rest of the day? You leap"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "in your car and you say that son of a,"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "you know, it's like you've blown the"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "whole thing. Doing the affirmations"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "helps, but as every thought is an"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "affirmation all the time, what are we"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "doing the rest of the time when we're"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "not actually doing our affirmations? And"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "that's the stuff we have to watch. Got"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "to watch your thoughts. Now, when you"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "find yourself in a negative thing, ask"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "yourself, just step back a little bit"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "and say, \"Oo, now is this criticism?"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "Is this resentment? Am I into fear? Is"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "this guilt?\" Start to observe what"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "you're doing instead of beating yourself"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "up for doing it and saying, \"Okay, I"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "don't have to do this now. I can do this"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "another way.\" You see, if you really"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "believe that nobody ever loves you, you"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "can turn that into my life is filled"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "with love and joy. Okay, let's talk"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "about guilt a little bit. Guilt, the big"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "one, that big heavy one that we all"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "carry."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "You know, guilt never solves anything."}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "It never solves anything."}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "If you've really done something that you"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "don't approve of, that you think wasn't"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "very good, don't do it anymore. Just"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "stop it. Let it go. But don't don't walk"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "around under a whole thing of guilt. And"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "don't try to manipulate other people"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "with guilt. You know, you don't want to"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "lay guilt on other people because if"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "you're doing that, remember, everything"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "you give out comes back to you. So, you"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "want to change that. You want to give"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "out only wonderful stuff. Remember,"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "there are like four basic premises that"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "I work with. What we give out, we get"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "back. Whatever you give out, it doesn't"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "matter. You're going to get it back. So,"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "if you give out a lot of negativity, a"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "lot of anger, a lot of criticism, a lot"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "of guilt, guess what you're going to"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "have in your life? Experiences that"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "fulfill anger and guilt and criticism"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "and things like that. But if you give"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "out love and joy and praise to other"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "people, that's going to come back to"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "you. So, you know, we have these"}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "barriers. And what are the antidotes for"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "them? The antidotes to me are really"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "love and forgiveness and letting go of"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "the past. And it sounds simple. It it is"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "simple. It's not always easy, but it's"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "very simple. to love ourselves, to be"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "willing to forgive,"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "and to let go of the past. You know, I"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "like to think of the subconscious mind"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "down here. This is your subconscious"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "mind. This is where everything goes. And"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "ever since you've been a little child,"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "you every message that you've had,"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "everything you've done, all the"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "experiences that you've had, everything"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "you've said [snorts] has gone into this"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "these filing cabinets down here. And I"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "like to think of lots of little"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "messengers down there. And when you"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "think a thought or you have an"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "experience, the message goes down, they"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "grab the the message, they look at it,"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "and they put it in the appropriate file."}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "And for a long time, you have perhaps"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "been building up files that say, \"I'm"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "not good enough. I'll never make it. You"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "know, I don't do it right.\" I mean,"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "you're getting absolutely buried under"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "these files. And then all of a sudden"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "you do an affirmation that says, \"I'm"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "wonderful and I love myself.\" And it"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "[clears throat] goes down and they pick"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "up this thing and they say, \"What is"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "this? Where does it go?"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "We've never seen this before.\""}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "So what they do is they call doubt."}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "Doubt, come over here and go up and see"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "what's going on. So doubt picks up the"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "message and comes up to you and says,"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "\"Hey, look at this. You know, you've"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "always been saying this and here is.\""}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "And you can react one of two ways. You"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "can go, \"Oh, you're right. I'm terrible."}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "I'm no good. I'm sorry. That's not the"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "right message.\" And go back to your own"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "old things. Or you can say to doubt,"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "\"Thank you for sharing.\" And this is"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "this is [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "see don't treat doubt as an enemy. Treat"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "doubt as a messenger that's a friend."}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "And thank doubt for bring coming up and"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "looking at you and saying now that was"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "the old message but this is the new"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "message. Now go down and start a new"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "file and there's going to be lots of"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "these coming through. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "And if you look at doubt that way and"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "begin to treat doubt that way then doubt"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "becomes your friend. You see we need to"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "change our thinking because changing our"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "thinking changes our reality."}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "So if we can change what we think, we're"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "going to change our experiences. So"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "let's know for ourselves now"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "that life is a joy. Make these some"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "personal laws for you. Life is a joy."}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "Let yourself this be true for you. Let's"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "know that we are safe. I am safe. I am"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "safe. And I am loving and loved."}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "I am loving and loved."}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "Let's know for oursel that it's easy to"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "forgive."}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "Let's know for ourselves that we have"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "glowing health. I have wonderful glowing"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "health"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "and that we prosper wherever we are"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "and that all is well in our world."}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "All is well in our world."}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "[applause]"}]

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God eternal"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "within the body, and it's the same for"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "everyone."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "So, what does that mean?"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "What does that mean for us?"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "Might take a while for this to sink in."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "I know it's a lot of information in a"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "brief period of time. That's why I wrote"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "the book."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "In 2004, I released another book called"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "The God Code. The whole book is about"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "this message. That was the the year that"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "I published it. So, it's 20 21 years"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "ago. Actually, it was my first book with"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "Hay House."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "My first Hay House book is called The"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "God Code, and the entire Our is about"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "this message. Chapter two in the book"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "that you have details this message."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "What does it mean?"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "We've covered a lot of ground today."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "A lot of ground. 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To love"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "[music] this world into peace."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "We are God eternal within the body."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "And that's what gives us that right."}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "So now I'm going to ask you a couple of"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "questions."}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "As we close this part of our"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "our program today."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "Once again, as you touch your heart."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "I want you to say the words my heart."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "My heart, do I love myself enough"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "to accept the message"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "that I carry in my body."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "My heart, do I love myself enough to"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "live"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "the truth of my divinity in a world that"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "doesn't always support that truth."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "That's where the workshop begins."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "To live your truth."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "The best version of yourself. 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How do you meet that?"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "Through the power"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "God eternal [music] within the body."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "Whatever that answer is, allow it to"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "come to you."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "This is one of those beautiful places"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "where science and spirituality [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "real world events all merge"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "into a single [music] knowing. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "to invite you now to take one more"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "breath if you haven't already, inhale."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "And as you release that breath, gently"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "begin to open your eyes."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:05", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> I wish you could see all the God"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "eternals within the body that I'm"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "looking at here."}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "Because you look beautiful. Beautiful,"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "beautiful."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "I know we've covered a lot of ground."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "I know some of it's new and some of it's"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "very familiar."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "I know some of it is a very different"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "way of thinking."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "And I invited you this morning to put it"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "all into a file folder in your mind"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "called possibilities because that makes"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "it safe to explore anything. Just a"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "possibility."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "My sense is"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "that through this year and in the next 5"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "years you and I"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "are going to see the attempts to remake"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "this world"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "and they can't do it unless they remake"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "our bodies."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "My hope, my goal is to give you a deeper"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "sense of appreciation for the gift"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "of your body in this world and"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "once again, maybe even a sense of pride."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "I'm immensely proud to walk as a human"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "on this earth. I believe that we're"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "valuable. I believe we're worth"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "preserving."}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "I believe that pure humans"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "are worth preserving."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "Through our divinity"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "we triumph in the ancient struggle"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "between good and evil."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "Remember the goal of evil"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "is to deny our divinity."}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "So without fighting back by simply"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "moving forward and living the best"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "version of ourselves all the ways that"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "we've talked about."}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "Loving fearlessly, forgiving"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "without expectation."}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "Empathizing with our brothers and"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "sisters who are having a really hard"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "time in the world right now. Sympathize,"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "compassion."}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "The healing of your own body is only"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "possible"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "as you accept your own personal"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "divinity."}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "It's through accepting those abilities"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "that we triumph. 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I'm not going to"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "tell you it's right, wrong, good, or"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "bad. I just want you to know what it"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "means and I want you to know what the"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "consequences are of doing that."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "Through our divinity we triumph in the"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "struggle"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "between good and evil. My goal on this"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "day"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "was to awaken a confidence within you to"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "accept the invitation. What invitation"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "is that?"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "It's your invitation. You're standing at"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "the precipice of a doorway. That door is"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "opening in front of you to step into the"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "world that's emerging as the best"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "version of yourself. That means"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "something has to change in your life."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "That means that you have to think"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "differently about yourself in the"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "presence of the world that's emerging,"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "not the world that has been."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "That's my goal."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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They're unmistakable. And the"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "evidence is showing us more likely than"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "not we are in fact in the simulation. So"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "what I'd like to do is pull all this"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "together. Let's get down to the nuts and"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "bolts of what this experience means."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "Let's jump right into what it means to"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "be in a simulation. The implications and"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "the questions that invariably come up."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "questions like where's heaven? Where is"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "heaven? When we think about our"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "simulation and we think of the"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "descriptions of heaven, the word itself"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "was left to us about 2500 years ago."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "What does that mean to us in terms of"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "the simulation?"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:04", "text": ">> Well, simulation is a localized"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "experience, but it tells us we're not"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "really here. You're not really here. We"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "exist somewhere outside of the"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "simulation and we are projecting our"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "energetic body, what we call our spirit"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "or our soul or our avatar into this"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "experience so that we can learn"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "something here but apparently we cannot"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "learn where we've come from and that"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "apparently we're going to need wherever"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "we are going. Now this is a really"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "really powerful concept. The idea that"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "we are not here and the biology actually"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "supports it. What the biology is showing"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "us is that our cells receive information"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "that defines who we are. The surface of"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "the cells, the receptors receive this"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "information. And that's why when we take"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "our cells and we put them into the body"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "of another person through an organ"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "transplant, for example, that person"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "rejects the cells because it's not them."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "We have an identity. That identity"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "begins somewhere beyond our simulation."}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "And in terms of the ancient texts, that"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "is what was called heaven. Where's"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "heaven? Where is heaven? 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We exist somewhere outside of the"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "simulation and we are projecting our"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "energetic body, what we call our spirit"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "or our soul or our avatar into this"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "experience so that we can learn"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "something here. that apparently we"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "cannot learn where we've come from and"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "apparently we're going to need wherever"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "we are going. Now this is a really"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "really powerful concept. The idea that"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "we are not here and the biology actually"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "supports it. What the biology is showing"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "us is that our cells receive information"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "that defines who we are. The surface of"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "the cells, the receptors receive this"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "information. And that's why when we take"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "our cells and we put them into the body"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "of another person through an organ"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "transplant for example, that person"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "rejects the cells because it's not them."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "We have an identity. That identity"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "begins somewhere beyond our simulation."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "And in terms of the ancient texts, that"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "is what was called heaven. When we leave"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "our simulation, we shift our"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "consciousness. We go back to where it is"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "that we came from. And for me, I I"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "believe that and I think it's really"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "good news. It means that we will see our"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "friends and our loved ones again on the"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "other side, what is called the veil, on"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "the other side of that veil. And I I"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "hope that there's a time on that other"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "side that we can look back and review"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "everything we've done in this world and"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "hopefully laugh about some of the"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "mistakes that we've made that we've made"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "while we were trying to learn about"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "ourselves in this simulation. So heaven,"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "heaven I believe is the ancient word for"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "the world that we live in that exists on"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "the other side outside of the simulation"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "that we find ourselves in right now. So"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "the next question, what does that mean"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "for death? Where do we go when we die?"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "If this simulation theory works the way"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "that the science suggests and the way"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "that I believe that the evidence is"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "directing us, it's really good news"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "because it means when we die, what we"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "call death is the end of this"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "representation of us in this limited"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "simulation. what we would call our"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "avatar just as we're seeing portrayed in"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "the films in the media. Again,"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "consciousness reminding us of ourselves,"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "communicating with us, informing us of"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "the reality of of our world consciously"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "and subconsciously. So when we die, this"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "avatar no longer exists in the physical"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "realm, but our essence that we projected"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "continues in the realm outside perhaps"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "in another physical body. But once"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "again, we think back what is the purpose"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "of a simulation? simulation is to learn"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "a new way of being in a realm that is"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "relatively safe because we need that way"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "of being when we go to another place."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": ">> Western science has just arrived at the"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "understanding uh that that there is in"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "fact a field of intelligent energy that"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "connects everything certainly in our"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "world and it's believed beyond our world"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "even uh the entire universe. Our science"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "has only now uh arrived at the"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "understanding through the experiments"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "and through the studies and the the"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "modeling of the equations that tell us"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "in fact that field exists. So this is"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "the place where we are now and it's the"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "place where the ancient the indigenous"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "traditions have always begun. They have"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "always started from the place that we"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "are part of everything that that we are"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "part of a greater existence that"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "everything is connected and they have"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "devoted their time rather than than"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "trying to explore and prove to"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "themselves this existence uh really is"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "there. They devoted their times to"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "understanding how to work within this"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "existence. What does it mean to life and"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "death? What does it mean to our time"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "together in this world? If this field is"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "really out there, can we communicate"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "with it? And if we can what is the"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "language that it understands?"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Well, the understandings uh in terms of"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "western science that this intelligent"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "field exists in late 1990s early 2000s"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "uh is is when the the experiments"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "actually confirmed what Mox plank in"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "1944 stated the father of quantum phys"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "physics Mox plank actually said that the"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "matter that we see in our world doesn't"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "exist. says the stuff we're made out of"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "doesn't even exist. And the world that"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "we see doesn't exist the way we believe"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "it does. What he he said was what we see"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "as matter is here because of the"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "existence of what he called a conscious"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "and intelligent mind. And these are his"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "precise words. And he followed that"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "statement by saying that underlying this"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "mind is the matrix of all matter. And"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "this is the coin he turned in 1944. Of"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "course, the movie uh series was based on"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "the studies that came afterward."}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "uh it's actually been around since the"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "mid- 20th century. So this field, the"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "matrix or the divine matrix as it now is"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "being called is recognized is is the"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "field of intelligent nonventional"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "energy. It doesn't work the way"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "electricity or or broadcast energy"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "works. The science now is telling us"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "what's happening and they're looking for"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "ways to prevent it and they're they got"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "some scary scenarios, you know, out"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "there to to prevent it. Whereas the"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "spiritual principles, many of them have"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "reconciled themselves. They say, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "it's the end of the world.\" You know,"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "just uh you know, buckle up and and here"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "we go. But now there's a segment of the"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "population that says, \"Well, wait a"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "minute. If we're in a simulation and we"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "are part of we're programmed within the"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "program, it means that we have the"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "ability to influence what's happening.\""}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "And what is the influence? magnetism"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "from the love of the human heart in"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "coherence of the brain influencing the"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "magnetism of the planet. Uh is it"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "possible that we can actually influence"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "it to the degree that we shift that"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "12,000year cycle? And in a simulation, I"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "would argue everything's possible."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "Everything's possible."}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, it's interesting though if"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "it's a simulation then who's who's"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "deciding that this coherence the heart"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "and mind or the level of consciousness"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "or whatever the thing is that it's"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "monitoring who decides on who says okay"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "we won't uh you know we won't do it now"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "we won't do the reset now let's wait and"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "see how they do I mean it's it there's"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "it it"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "I don't know it's kind"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": ">> I think I I think it's a it's a"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "collective. It would have to be a"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "collective choice, John. I mean, you"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "know, now you come back, if we're in a"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "simulation, who benefits from a"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "simulation? And the answer to that has"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "always been it's the people in the"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "simulation because in a simulation,"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> yeah, in a simulation, you're learning"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "something in a simulation"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "uh that you're going to need when you go"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "somewhere else. That's always been the"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "Hindus have always said"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> how about how about the person or bit or"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "who that built the simulation and is"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "running the simulation. Wouldn't they"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "have an interest in"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": ">> I I I think they Yeah, I I think they"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "would, you know, and we talk about this"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "a lot in other programs. I I think this"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "is fascinating, John, because it"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "suggests that we are probably the"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "product of a highly advanced,"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "technologically sophisticated society,"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "number one,"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:14", "text": ">> who has had computers more than the 70"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "years that we have"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:21", "text": ">> and that those computers are being used"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "to model scenarios to help solve a"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "problem. And the people in the"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "simulation are helping to solve the"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "problem. So,"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": ">> is it a game? Is it all a game? Are they"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "solving problems within games? What?"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> I don't I don't know. I would I would be"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "surprised."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "Let me say it this way. When I'm with"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "large groups of people and we have this"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "conversation and it's a really deep"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "intimate conversation, you can hear a"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "pen drop in the room when we're having"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "this conversation and the suggestion"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "comes up that that we humans"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "uh most of the people in the room I ask"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "how many of you have ever felt that"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "there's something that you're here for"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "that you can't quite get a handle on."}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "you're here for more than just to have"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "fun."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": ">> Fun's fun's good, but and and you've"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "never felt like you fit really well into"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "your family, your world, because you've"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "always thought differently. You've had"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "this this insight into something. And so"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "people start I mean, you can see the"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "tears in people's eyes."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> And then you say, \"What are the themes"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "playing out in our world today?\" I mean,"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "not not in the weeds, but the big"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "themes. It's it's about light and dark."}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "It's about love and fear. it's about war"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "and destruction or peace. Uh and I I"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "can't help but think that our if we are"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "in a simulation that we are striving"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "for a way of uh to learn a way of living"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "that transcends war. that has has been"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "the hallmark of civilization that that"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "transcends the fear uh and that"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "transcends"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "uh the hurt and the suffering and when I"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "say that to people in the room it rings"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "so true to so many people that something"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "uh we're the simulation we are"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "benefiting because we're the ones"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "learning a way of being that will help"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "us to transcend these things and and"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "then all the other stuff like fills in"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "the missing pieces but I think that's"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "the big theme and who who built it?"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "Maybe"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": ">> you're right about all this."}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> Well, may maybe our our civilization is"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "advanced enough. Maybe we all"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "participated. We we said, \"Let's build"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "this simulation.\" So, and if if you're"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "going to try to solve a problem in one"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "simulation, you're probably not going to"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "stop with one. You're going to have"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "multiple simulations running. I would."}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "Which means maybe that is what physics"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "is calling parallel universes or multi"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "multi- worlds or multiple universes. Or"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "when we dream at night and we experience"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "these other other realities, maybe"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "that's what's happening. We're wandering"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "into some of these other simulations"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "when our consciousness is at ease in our"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "sleep state because in our waking state,"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "we have to hold the focus right here. So"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "I I don't know, John. I think the the"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "science now there's a whole branch of"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "science and you can actually get a PhD"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "in exploring whether or not we're in a"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "simulated reality. University of"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "Washington was the first to offer the"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "PhD. Nick Boowm pioneered a lot of this."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:32", "text": ">> And and so now they're running"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "experiments and they're saying if we are"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "in a simulated environment,"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "you would expect these things to happen"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "on a quantum level. And they are there"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "those things are. So for example"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "uh the double slit experiment has been"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "rerun so many times now and the"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "the particle the the energy only becomes"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "physical when it is being observed. That"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "is exactly the way a computer game works"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "on your laptop. your laptop cannot"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "possibly hold all of the images for an"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "entire house"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "simultaneously. So the walls in the room"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "will only come up when you enter that"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "room. And they're saying that's the way"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "our reality appears to be when we"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "observe is when uh when we actually see"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "the physical reality. And so it appears"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "that our physical reality actually"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "mirrors a computer game. This is I mean"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "some of the papers come out in just the"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "last couple of weeks. Well, if we'd like"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "to know who we are, for the last uh 90"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "years or so,"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "physicists have done their very best to"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "convince us all that we're made out of"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "tiny particles"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "of energy called quantum energy. Have"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "you all heard that before? And they they"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "convinced me. I mean, I'm I'm with them"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "right now. So 90 years they've been"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "trying to convince us that we're made"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "out of quantum particles on the one"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "hand. On the other hand, now that"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "they've got the equipment that can"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "really look at what these particles do"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "and these particles do miraculous"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "things, they say, \"Well, that has"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "nothing to do with your life. You're"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "made out of these miraculous particles,"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "but doesn't mean you can do the"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "miraculous things those particles are"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "doing.\" For example,"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "quantum energy can be what we call"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "visible matter. Can be a particle."}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "That's what you and I are today right"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "here. Visible quantum energy. That same"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "particle can exist in the way that you"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "can't see it"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "as invisible energy. It's still there."}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "It's just changed its expression."}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "Quantum energy can be invisible energy."}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "Waves."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "A particle, a quantum particle can exist"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "in one place. It can exist in two places"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "at the same time. It can exist in many"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "places at the same time. And no matter"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "where those particles are, they're"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "always connected."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "Always connected as if they are one and"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "the same, no matter where they are."}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Quantum particles are not limited"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "in space and time. Quantum particles are"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "not limited in time. In other words,"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "physicists can take a quantum particle"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "and they know everything about that"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "particle that makes it as it is and what"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "has to be in place for that particle to"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "exist. Okay? They can take it from the"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "past five minutes ago and bring it into"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "the present. Okay? And they can change"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "it in the present"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "and when they do that it changes"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "everything that happened in the past for"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "it to get there. That's a mindboggler."}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "What they're saying is that in physics"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "those particles have the ability to go"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "back in time and change their behavior."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "And they're asking, are we doing that?"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "Do we have the ability to do that? Maybe"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "we do it all the time. Maybe we do it so"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "frequently it's so common we don't even"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "think about it. Maybe the world that we"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "see right now is as it is because of"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "what we've learned from our past and"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "we're applying it now. Maybe the world"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "would be in a much worse place, a worse"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "condition if we hadn't learned from our"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "past. But this is what they're finding."}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "So my question to you is all those"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "quantum particles, are they showing us"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "our limits? If we're made out of those"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "particles, are they showing us our"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "scientific limits? Or are they showing"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "us our greatest potential? What do you"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "think? Is it possible that the stuff the"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "universe is made of could be the map of"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "our greatest possibilities if we have"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "the wisdom to see it? I mean, think"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "about that. Can we do everything that"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "those quantum particles just did? The"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "big yes. In documented instances in"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "current and past history, humans have"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "done everything. They have been in two"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "places at once. They have interacted"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "with the past and the future and brought"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "back that information."}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "This phenomenon is so real. US military"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "uses these principles today. Something"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "called remote viewing. It's where an"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "individual is trained to be in a room in"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "a given moment of time and through a"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "facilitator, they are talked into a"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "state of consciousness where time and"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "space don't exist in the same way. And"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "in that state, they can see in their"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "mind's eye in 1991, for example, where"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "the Scud missiles were located in the"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "battlefields of Iraq without having to"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "send our troops in and risk their lives"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "to do that."}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "That can only happen when these"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "principles are real and we understand"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "them. Because in that state of"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "consciousness, distance doesn't exist,"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "time doesn't exist. We can do everything"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "that those quantum particles just did."}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "We're all connected. You are not limited"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "to the body that's sitting in this chair"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "right now. I'm going to tell you that"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "right now. You don't end where your skin"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "or your clothing or your hair ends. What"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "the experiments are showing is that the"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "human energy system on the quantum level"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "extends many, many, many miles from the"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "place where our physical bodies reside."}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "You're all over the place. There are"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "sects of Buddhism that literally say the"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "reality of our world exists only where"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "our mind creates a focus. There was an"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "experiment launched in 1909 that began"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "the whole field of quantum physics. And"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "we're still talking about this today,"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "believe it or not. What they did in 1909"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "was they took a particle, a quantum"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "particle, the stuff our world is made"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "of, a photon or an electron, and they"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "shot that particle into a target that"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "could determine"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "whether or not the particle was still a"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "particle when it got there or if"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "something else happened. And the only"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "catch to this experiment was that the"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "particle had to go through a barrier"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "that had an opening. Well, this part of"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "the experiment was done early in the"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "morning and it was an easy part of the"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "experiment. The particle begins as a"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "particle. It goes through that opening."}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "It ends as a particle. Right now, the"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "particle is acting just like a particle."}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "And everybody's really happy and very"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "comfortable with all of their theories"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "and their formulas. Okay. Sometime after"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "lunch, they did this experiment again."}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "Here's what happened. Everything is the"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "same. They're using the same kind of"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "particle, the same kind of a target."}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "This time, however, the barrier has two"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "openings."}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "Now, this is a physical particle, this"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "quantum particle. So, the thinking is"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "it's got to either go through this"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "opening or this opening, right?"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "Something mysterious happens. And that"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "mystery is the mystery that is still"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "being talked about in quantum physics"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "today. Here's what happens. The particle"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "leaves at the particle and it"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "disappears. Where did that particle go?"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "Okay. But what happened next is"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "mind-boggling"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "because somehow the particle knew if a"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "particle can know that two openings were"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "available"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "and rather than staying as a particle"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "and going through one or another,"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "it accommodated both openings. It showed"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "up"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "twice at the target, but it's not a"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "particle. It's a wave. It has"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "transformed itself from a particle to a"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "wave so that it accommodate both of"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "those openings. The particle begins as a"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "particle as matter. It ends up as a wave"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "as energy. It begins as a visible form"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "of matter. It ends up as an invisible"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "form of energy. And this is where the"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "scientists started to have a bad day"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "because it messed up everything. And the"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "question that they asked is why? Why did"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "this happen? What is it that caused this"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "to happen? The question is, and here's a"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "little clue. Who knows that those two"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "openings are possible? Who knows that"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "that particle has a choice in terms of"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "where it goes? Okay, the particle knows"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "and the scientists in the room and they"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "said, \"My god, does the fact that we"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "know those particles exist influence"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "what's happening with the experiment?\""}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "And the answer is yes. And this is what"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "is so bizarre about where quantum"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "physics is today. The observer knows."}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "But what physicists are now beginning to"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "understand is there's no such thing as"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "an observer. It's impossible for you and"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "I to sit and observe the world. If"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "you're looking at something and your"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "attention and your awareness are focused"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "on that something, you are creating"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "whether you're aware of your creation or"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "not, you are creating something. It's"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "the quality of your attention and your"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "awareness while you are focused."}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "This is a direct quote from John"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "Wheeler, contemporary of Albert"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "Einstein's. Listen to what he says about"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "this experiment. He says, quote, \"We had"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "this old idea that there's a universe"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "out there and here is man, the observer"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "safely protected from the universe by"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "what he calls a 6-in slab of plate"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "glass.\" Says, \"So that we can't touch"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "that universe.\" However, he says, \"Now"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "we learn that to even observe an"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "electron. We have to shatter that plate"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "glass.\" So the old word observer has to"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "be crossed off the books. There is no"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "observer. He said we must put in the new"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "word participator."}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "It means that the act of us conscious"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "and aware looking at the world around us"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "is an act of creation unto itself. It's"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "not about control. It's not about"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "manipulation. This is the beautiful word"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "participator. You and I are"}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "participating in the outcome of our"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "world. Well, that experiment,"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "it was done in 1909"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "was performed again in 1998."}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "And this time they had better equipment"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "and they could do the measurements even"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "better. And what they found is so"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "beautiful. This was done 1998."}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "Researchers at the Whitesman Institute"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "of Science in Israel, they conducted a"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "highly controlled experiment"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "demonstrating again how electrons are"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "affected by the act of being observed."}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "So, so they validated what they found in"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "1909. However, they found something new."}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "What they found is not only does the"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "observation affect what the electron is"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "doing, they said the experiment quote"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "the experiment revealed that the greater"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "the amount of watching, the greater the"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "observer's influence on what takes"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "place, which is what our spiritual"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "traditions have always said to us. So"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "just as the universe is constantly"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "changing from the implicate to the"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "explicate, the flow of the unseen to the"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "seen is what makes this flow of creation"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "work. It's this constantly changing"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "nature that John Wheeler had in mind"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "when he described the universe as a"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "participatory universe, one that's"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "unfinished, constantly is responding to"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "changes in consciousness. Well,"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "interestingly, this is precisely the way"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "that the ancient traditions of the past"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "suggested our world works. From the"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "Indian vadas, believed by some scholars"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "to date to 5,000 years BC, to the"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "2,000-year-old Dead Sea Scrolls, a"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "general theme seems to suggest that the"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "world is actually the mirror of things"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "that are happening in a higher realm, in"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "a deeper reality, a place that we simply"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "cannot see from where we are in our"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "world. Commenting on the new"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "translations of the Dead Sea Scroll"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "fragments, for example, known as the"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "Songs of the Sabbath Sacrifice, the"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "translators summarized the content by"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "saying precisely this. The scroll"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "actually says, \"What happens on Earth is"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "but a pale reflection of that greater"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "ultimate reality.\" So the implication of"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "both the ancient texts and quantum"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "theory, they're the same. 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All of our"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "anger, hate, and rage, as well as our"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "love, compassion, understanding, all of"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "that energy is projected in the physical"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "medium that we call life. Just as a"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "movie screen reflects the image of"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "whatever or whoever has been filmed"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "without judgment, the divine matrix"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "appears to do precisely the same thing."}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "It provides this neutral surface for our"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "inner experiences and our beliefs to be"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "seen in the outer world."}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "Well, sometimes consciously, often not,"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "we show our truest beliefs of everything"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "from compassion to betrayal through the"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "quality of the relationships that we"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "find surrounding us. So the first key in"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "our exploration of the divine matrix is"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "to simply summarize what it does. The"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "divine matrix is the container that"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "holds the universe. The divine matrix is"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "the bridge between our inner and our"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "outer world between all things. And the"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "divine matrix is the mirror that shows"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "us what we've created. The matrix does"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "all of these things at the same time."}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "In other words, we're like artists"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "expressing our deepest passions, fears,"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "dreams, and desires through the living"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "essence of a mysterious quantum canvas."}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "Unlike a conventional artist canvas,"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "however, which exists in one place at a"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "given time, our canvas is the same stuff"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "that everything is made of. It exists"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "everywhere. It's always present."}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "To get an idea of our relationship to"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "the divine matrix, may be helpful to"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "think of it as a really big cosmic"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "blanket. One that begins and ends in the"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "realms of the unknown and covers"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "everything in between. The blanket is"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "many layers deep and it's everywhere all"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "the time. It's already in place. Our"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "bodies, our lives, and all that we know"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "exist and take place within the fibers"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "of this blanket. From our watery"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "creation in our mother's womb to our"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "marriages, divorces, friendships, and"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "careers, all that we experience may be"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "thought of as wrinkles in this cosmic"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "blanket. From a quantum way of seeing"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "the world, everything from the atoms of"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "matter and a blade of grass to our"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "bodies, the planet and beyond, may be"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "thought of as a disturbance in the"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "smooth fabric of our space-time blanket."}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:17", "text": "Well, perhaps it's no coincidence then"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "that ancient spiritual and poetic"}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "traditions always described our"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "existence in precisely the same way. The"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "Vadic traditions, for example, describe"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "a unified field of what they call pure"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "consciousness that bathes and permeates"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "all of creation. In these traditions,"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "our experiences of thought, feeling,"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "emotion, and belief, and all the"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "judgment they create are viewed as the"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "disturbances."}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "interruptions in a field that would"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "otherwise be smooth and motionless. In a"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "similar fashion, the ancient fifth"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "century text the Sen Ming describes the"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "properties of an essence that is the"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "blueprint for everything in creation. In"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "this text, it's called the Dao. And just"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "as we see in the Vadic scriptures, it's"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "ultimately something that's beyond"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "description. The Dao is everything. It's"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "all that is. It's the container of all"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "experience as well as the experience"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "itself. The Dao is described as perfect"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "quote like vast space where nothing is"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "lacking and nothing is in excess end of"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "quote. According to the Sinsen Ming,"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "it's only when we disturb the"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "tranquility of the Dao through our own"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "judgments that its harmony eludes us."}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "When the inevitable does happen and we"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "find ourselves inshed in human feelings"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "of anger and separation, the Sinsen Ming"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "offers a guideline to remedy that"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "condition as well. It simply says quote"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "to come directly into harmony with this"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "reality just simply say when doubt"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "arises not to in this not to nothing is"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "separate nothing is excluded end of"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "quote. So the whole idea of us living in"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "a virtual reality"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "it gives us a new way to think about our"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "origin our history."}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "about the nature of reality, about"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "answering the questions, why are we"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "here? When you look into a simulation,"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "any kind of a simulation, the purpose of"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "a simulation is for the individual in"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "the simulation to learn something in a"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "relatively safe way they're going to"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "need when they go somewhere else."}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "Cockpit simulators for airline pilots."}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "Uh lunar simulations for people that are"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "walking on the moon. Mars simulations"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "for people that are are going to be"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "going in families that are going to be"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "going to Mars."}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "We are learning in these simulations a"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "way of being that we need when we"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "actually have the experiences."}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "There are properties of a simulation"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "that are interesting. Every simulation"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "has a beginning, a place where it"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "starts, it has an end. Sometimes it just"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "times out. Every simulation"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "has"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "rules that if those rules are discovered"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "and learned and followed that make life"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "easier in the simulation,"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "every simulation has the ability to"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "communicate outside of the simulation"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "for help. So, if you're in a cockpit"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "simulator and you're running into"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "something you've never seen, you you're"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "steering the plane and here's here's a a"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "big wind shear coming across uh you know"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "the front of the plane, they can"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "communicate with their earpiece, their"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "mouthpiece, they can say, \"Hey, there's"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "a windshare coming. What do I do?\" Well,"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "if our experience is following those"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "principles, we have the same thing. We"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "communicate outside the simulation when"}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "we talk to our higher selves through"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "prayer through meditation through the"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "angels that guide us if that's the way"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "you're conditioned to think or or the"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "love of our ancestors that have passed"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "ultimately through through God. So then"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "you ask why build a simulation? What"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "would be the point? Who benefits? Well,"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "if a traditional simulation is any clue"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "to the answer, that's the answer. Those"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "that benefit are those in the"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "simulation. I think it's very possible."}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "Now, I'm I'm going to deviate from"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "science and share my personal opinion. I"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "personally believe that the evidence"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "supports a possibility that we create"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "the simulation. You and I have created"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "the simulation because there's something"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "available to us in this world that we"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "desperately need to know and to learn"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "before we go to another world, whatever"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "that world is that you you want to call"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "it. And when you look at the themes that"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "are playing out, the theme of good and"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "evil is almost universal. The theme of"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "love is almost universal. the theme of"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "us"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "mastering our ability to self-regulate"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "our biology and our emotions. These are"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "almost universal. Interestingly, these"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "are the themes of some of the most"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "popular movies in Hollywood right now."}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "Whether you're talking about Wonder"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "Woman or you're talking about the"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "Avengers or you're talking about um the"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "Matrix, the Matrix is a beautiful"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "example of awakening in one world,"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "recognizing that we live in another"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "world that we can't see that influences"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:22", "text": "the world we can see and that we are"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "learning to master that world. Avatar."}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "Beautiful film reminding us of the power"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "of our relationship to our world and our"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "relationship to nature. So, this is a"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "long answer to a short question, but I"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "wanted to do this from a non-traditional"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "perspective. Science, we ask science to"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "tell us who we are. We ask science to"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "tell us about our reality. Science is"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "doing a really good job. Some people"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "don't like the answers that are coming"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "back. The answers are giving us a new"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "and empowering way to think about"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "ourselves and our relationship to this"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "world and beyond. And they are giving us"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "a language that helps us to recognize"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "the continuity"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "of the wisdom of our ancestors. Our"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "ancestors tried to tell us something."}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "They tried desperately to tell us what"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "they understood about our relationship"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "to this world and beyond through the"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "words available to them in their time."}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "Now we have new words because we have a"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "new consciousness and we have new"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "technology. But I think we're telling"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "the same story. So reincarnation may be"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "us teaching ourselves and allowing"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "ourselves to come back into this"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "simulation until we have mastered what"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "it is that we're learning to master in"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "this world. So I hope that helps to give"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "some insight. So if we are individually,"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "collectively outside of our simulation,"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "we're in a control room somewhere, we're"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "in some kind of of a technological"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "environment, we'll talk about this in"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "just a few minutes where whatever has"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "happened in our world is telling us that"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "we need to learn a new way of being."}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "Here we are in this situation and we are"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "learning what we're learning. One of the"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "things that I find really interesting is"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "the concept of time. You know, I think"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:20", "text": "you know that astronauts, for example,"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "when they travel, they age differently."}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "Their bodies age differently than we do"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "here on Earth. This is about Einstein's"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "theory of relativity. So the thinking is"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "that in the future when we have"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "astronauts that leave the earth, leave"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "the moon and go deep into the solar"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "system and maybe even beyond that they"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "will age slower than their husbands,"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "wives, families, their children here on"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "Earth. And if they should ever return,"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "they would actually be younger and those"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "that they've left behind would be older."}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "That tells us that our simulation, the"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "relationship with time in our"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "simulation, what seems like a lifetime"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "does, what seems like a hundred years"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "may only be a few moments of time in the"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "control room outside of our simulation."}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "That it's all relative in terms of the"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "way we think about this. The idea of God"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "comes up a lot when we talk about"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "simulation. And once again, we just"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "invite you to think about this. 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They're not"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "part of the contemporary cannon. So when"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "we go back and we look at those deleted"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "texts and the way that they were"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "condensed, we see a story and the story"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "tells us that in the beginning. So"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "whether you think the natural beginning"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "of the big bang or you think the"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "beginning of our simulation"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "in the beginning there was a prime"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "creator and that is the idea of God. But"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "the texts also tell us that God did not"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "create us. God created the environment."}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "God created the the universe. 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And apparently not any"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:03", "text": "old formula of DNA was up to the task."}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "So when we look into our past and we"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "find forms of life that were perhaps not"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "as conscious, not as evolved as us in"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "the simulation idea, these are the forms"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "of life, the first forms. They were the"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "early attempts to create the avatars in"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "this simulated world. But their genetic"}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "makeup was not strong enough to hold the"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "energy of the soul. You and I are the"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "product of a genetic formula, a very"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "specific form of DNA. And apparently, it"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "is this form that's required to hold the"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "energy of the soul in this simulation"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "experience so that we could have the"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "experiences, learn what we're learning,"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "and maintain the consciousness that we"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "have as we go through our experience. So"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "for the first time in human history, we"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "have a reason to question how much"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "information can we generate and store in"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "the field that connects all things"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "before that field actually reaches"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "capacity. I don't know the answer now,"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "but I think we're going to find out"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "within our lifetimes."}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "The very fact that we are in a"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "simulation"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "tells us something very, very powerful."}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "It tells us because we are here that we"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "are either nearer or that we've already"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "reached a place in our evolutionary"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "process where we need a simulation. We"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "are already at a place where we need to"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "find a new way of being, a new way of"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "living, a new way of thinking. Now, it"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "may be because of a climate change."}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "Maybe we are an advanced civilization."}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "We are an advanced society living right"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "here on planet Earth or maybe some other"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "world and we've experienced climate"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "change and we did not know how to"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "address it and the planet is no longer"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "hospitable for that reason or maybe"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "we've had a pandemic disease or maybe"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "we've had an atomic war. Maybe we're"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "close to one of these and we are"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "searching, we are simulating"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "environments, searching for ways so that"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "we can avoid these great crises in our"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "lives. And when I've said this to people"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "in the past, I've had this conversation."}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "I've said it to large audiences. I've"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "said it one- on-one. And when I suggest"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "these possibilities, I've actually seen"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "scientists look at me and they tear up"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "and they cry when they hear this"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "possibility because it touches something"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "very deep and very real within each of"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "us. I think we all know that we're here"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "for a reason. We all know that there's"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "something much much bigger happening"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "than what we've come to understand or"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "what we've been led to believe. So, I'm"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "sharing the possibilities that the"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "evidence suggests. the possibility of"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "running out of space in our simulation."}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "That was only one possibility of what"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "could end this experience. The second is"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "an unexpected event, a tremendous"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "release of energy of some kind. And that"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "thinking coincides with the theme of"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "what our simulation is all about to"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "begin with. The theme of life on Earth"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "for the last 5,000 years has been"}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "primarily a theme of war and conflict."}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "For over 5,000 years, humans have almost"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "continuously been in conflict to one"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "degree or another in one form or"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "another. And the consistency of that"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "experience suggests that it must play a"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "powerful role in our simulation and why"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "we're here to begin with."}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "Now the archaeological record preserves"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "that history and it tells us of"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "different kinds of global conflict and"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "for me this is the value of looking at"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "the past. Yeah sure it's interesting you"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "know it's interesting to look at ancient"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "civilizations it's interesting to see"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "what people have done in the past. For"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "me as a scientist, the value of looking"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "into the past is to recognize the"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "patterns, the trends and the cycles of"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "those who have come before us and to"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "compare those to where we are today and"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "ask ourselves, are we repeating those"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "trends? Are we repeating the patterns?"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "Are we repeating the cycles? And it"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "would make sense if the answer is yes"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "now that we understand the fractal code"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "and Newton's laws of energy because the"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "fractal code says that we will continue"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "those patterns until something something"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "in the variable changes and Newton's law"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "tells us that once the energy is set"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "into motion that same energy is going to"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "continue until something changes the"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "energy. So if there's a thinking of"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "conflict, if there's a fear that there's"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "not enough, of scarcity, if there is a"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:49", "text": "fear of the unknown, a fear of other"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "people, a fear of what those people's"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "lives mean to us, and if that fear is so"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "ancient and so primal that it has played"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "out in every civilization for the last"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "5,000 years and beyond, then it makes"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "sense that this idea of conflict and war"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:06", "text": "would be a primary reason for us to be"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "in this simul. population and the"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "archaeology supports this. If Bowram's"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "mathematic arguments are correct, the"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "fact that we're here today asking these"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "questions, it's good news because it"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "implies that we have the wisdom to"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "recognize we're at a point where we need"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "to ask these questions. It tells us"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "there is a need for this simulation."}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "What the Bible code says very clearly is"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "that we will only be able to read the"}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:38", "text": "code in the at the end of time when"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "computers and the word computer is in"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "the code when computers can unlock the"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "codes. This comes from the book of"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "Daniel actually is where this is. So the"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "information in the Bible code was shut"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "up and the words were sealed until the"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "end of time. And it's at the end of"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "time. And look at the in the circles"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "computer. The word computer actually"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "crosses to shut up the words and seal"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "the book until the end. You can't see"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "it's cut off here, but the end of time."}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "All right. So, we now have the"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "computers. We are living according to"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "the Mayan traditions, the end of one"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "cycle of time and the beginning of a new"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "cycle. Time may mean something different"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "to us. Our world is changing. Our world"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "may mean something different. But it's"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "only now that we have the wisdom to"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "understand"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "the algorithms to create those"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "algorithms and we have the machines to"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "run those algorithms against the code."}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "The book of Daniel says it's only now"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "that we can read this because it's been"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "shut up and sealed for our protection up"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "until this time. Now our computers, our"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "high-speed computers are allowing us to"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "go through all of these possibilities."}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "So the Torah has a quantum map of all"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:56", "text": "possibilities. Now, I want to be really"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "clear on this. Scientists believe that"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "we have an incomplete understanding"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "of the Torah code. The reason they"}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "believe that is because the information"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "appears fragmented. All right? And you"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "saw that you've got a piece here that"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "crosses a piece here. They're not"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "contiguous sentences."}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "So, we are still unraveling the mystery"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "of the Torah code. So what I want to say"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "and I want you to hear this very very"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "clearly uh that what the the Bible code"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "the Torah code is saying it does not"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "predict a precise outcome. It can tell"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "you of outcomes that have occurred. It"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "doesn't predict it can give you only"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "potential outcomes only possibilities."}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "The key is you've got to know what"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "question to ask for the query to reveal"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "the interconnected relationships. you"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "have to know what those connections are"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "and the queries have to be as I"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "mentioned in uh in the Hebrew language."}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "So I personally uh am in awe of the the"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "code itself. 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So,"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "it's good for simulating outcomes and"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "making decisions, those kinds of"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "decisions. All right. Uh it's good at"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "synthesizing"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "information for reports and music and"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "creative arts and and all those things."}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "It it can do that. AI has limits and the"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "limits of the the AI what the AI cannot"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "do and this is why I want to be really"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "clear AI cannot read your past life"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "unless you have written that past life"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "and stored it somewhere as as data if"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "it's written on a report and that report"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "is on the internet AI can access that"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "but AI cannot read a past life in the"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "aosic record because AI has no access to"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "the accashic record. AI cannot access"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "higher dimensions of consciousness."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "All right? AI cannot assess your level"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "of spiritual development. AI cannot"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "assess your level of spiritual"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "evolution."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "And I'm emphasizing this to you right"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "now because I have friends, I know"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "people in our live events, and you"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "probably have seen them as well."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "that believe that AI can do these"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "things, that there are AIs out there"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "that will tell people about their"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "spiritual evolution or their spiritual"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "development. Uh, and they begin to"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "change their lives and their"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "relationships"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "based upon the information that's coming"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "to them. That simply is not true. All"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "right? AI cannot open Stargates. AI"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "cannot open wormholes into the the"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "higher dimensions. at least not yet. All"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "right. And then I want to show you why"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "I'm I'm I'm making big statements and I"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "understand that. So now I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "back them up because I want you I I I"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "could just stop here and say AI can't do"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "these things and you would write it down"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "and say AI can't do these things. I want"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "you to know why. I want to empower you."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "I want you to understand what this new"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "technology is because it's not going"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "away. AI is here to stay. So we owe it"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "to ourselves to understand it so that we"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "can use it in a healthy way so that we"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "can make good decisions around the AI."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "So why is AI limited? All right."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "The first thing I want to say to you is"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "there is no interface"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "between the computer and the field that"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "holds your accashic records or your"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "memories or your spiritual evolution or"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "your past life information. Let me show"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "you what I mean by that. 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All right,"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "so what you're seeing on your screen,"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "here's your keyboard input converted"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "into the firmware into the machine"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "language ones and zeros that is uh"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "stored in the the RAM random access"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "memory on on the computer chips. And"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "then the processing unit actually"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "executes those instructions"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "and it it stores this information in uh"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "in very specific places on that computer"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "chip in the transistors that are there."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "Now I know I'm I'm getting detailed but"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "if you're going to ask why AI"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "cannot access my past life, you need to"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "know this. All this is happening on a"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "computer chip with transistors. Okay,"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "that information then is stored in"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "registers, little storage areas on on"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "the microchip and then the software can"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "pull it out. All right, here's the"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "reason I'm sharing this with you. You"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "tell me in this flow where is the"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "interface where the software can"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "communicate with the field where there"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "is resonance with that field and the"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "answer is I don't think you're going to"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "see it and now I'm going to show you why"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "there is no computer field interface"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "because the question that comes up"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "people say this they say well if"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "everything is connected if we are all"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "one and everything is connected why"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "can't AI access spiritual information."}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "Well, I've just shown you the data flow."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "Now, let's take this even deeper. Let's"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "look at the stuff that the chips are"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "made of and see why that stuff cannot"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "access the field. All the computer"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "components are made of silicon."}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "All right? Silicon does not occur"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "naturally in the world. You'll never go"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "out and mine silicon."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "What we do is we mine quartz, natural"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "quartz."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "Quartz is then refined to become the"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "silicon. All right. So what you're"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "seeing on your screen, the left hand"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "side, that's natural quartz. It's not"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "the quartz crystals that we see the the"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "beautiful sixsided geometry of the"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "quartz crystals. This is just the the"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "quartz that has not been crystallized in"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "that way. All right. This is silica. It"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "occurs naturally"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "to be used in a computer as a computer"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "chip. This quartz has to be heated to"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "really high degrees. All right? Very"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "very high temperatures."}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "And it is then through that high heat"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "converted into what is called silicon"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "that you're seeing on the right side."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "and the the thin sheets called silicon"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "wafers that become the computer chips."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "All right. Now, here's why this is"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "important."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "If the components in the computer"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "are going to communicate with a field,"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "they have to have resonance with that"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "field. Natural quartz does have"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "resonance with the field. And here's"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "why."}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "Okay? So that the natural silica it's"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "heated uh and I'm just going to say I'll"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "do it in centiggrade 1500 to 2,000"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "degrees centiggrade which is 27 to 3600"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "degrees Fahrenheit. I just want to give"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "you a sense of how hot this has to be."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "The heat destroys the natural geometry"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "of the quartz and creates an unnatural"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "geometry"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "that that quartz doesn't have when it's"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "in nature. All right. So, here I'm going"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "to show this to you. The natural quartz"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "has an internal geometry of a"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "tetrahedrin, a three-sided pyramid. And"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "that tetrahedrin has resonance with the"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "natural world. The cubic"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "crystallin structure. Once that is"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "heated and melted to create this silicon"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "used in the computers, that internal"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "geometry changes to a perfectly uniform."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "It's called a lattice. A l a t i c e."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "It's all cubic lattice. That is no"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "longer in harmony or in resonance with"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "nature. If it is, it is in harmony or"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "with a a limited portion of nature. It"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "is no longer able to access the"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "information that that natural"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "tetrahedrin can access. All right? So,"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "the change in the geometry creates a"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "change in resonance. What that means is"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "those chips, there's no interface."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "There's no place for those chips, those"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "transistors that are made of the silicon"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "to find resonance with the field that"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "we're talking about. All right? So the"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "computer, the AI, the hardware and the"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "software are not able to access higher"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "dimensions in the aosic records."}]

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No"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "other form of life can do that."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "When you do that, it is called the"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "coherence and we're talking about the"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "coherence in two neural networks between"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "the heart and the brain."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "Now, there are different levels of"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "coherence. 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Now, I want you to"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "know this is a very natural state of"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "being."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "And that you were in coherence when you"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "were in your mother's womb and"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "shortly after you were born"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "depending upon your family until you"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "were conditioned out of it"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "by being led to engage with the world."}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "As you began to engage with the world"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "around you, you're less focused in the"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "world within you, okay? And that's okay."}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "That's what we do in in life. But this"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "it may feel like a very natural feeling."}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "Some of you have created this coherence."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "Some have never done this before."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "you know what's interesting"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "is when we do this alone, it feels"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "different than we do it with a lot of"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "people."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "And even though we are virtual audience"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "of about over 3,500 are with us right"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "So in the field, we are all connected in"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "that field. And you may feel that as you"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "go into this state, you're not alone in"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "this state. And don't be surprised if if"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "you feel that sense."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "Why would we want to create heart brain"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "coherence? Well, there are two qualities"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "uh, of benefits. 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We're going to do this together."}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "You'll all be you'll have a better"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "immune system and you will all be"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "younger."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "You have to be because one of the"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "benefits is you awaken the longevity"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "enzymes that you all have in your body."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "You awaken them so they can do what"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "they're designed to do."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "So, that's worth being together today."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "We're all going to have a better immune"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "system. We're all going to be healthier."}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "We're all going to be younger. Couldn't"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "ask for more than that."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "Uh, but a super immune system."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:21", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:29", "text": ">> I'm just going to tell you a little"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "story. Um,"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "the Institute of HeartMath"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "in Northern California is a pioneering"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "research institute exploring the power"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "of the human heart. Uh, I have worked"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "with them almost since their inception"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "30 years ago. We celebrated 30 years"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "we've been working together. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "their employee. Um, but I we tour"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "together, we do webinars, we do"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "fundraisers. And they've given me"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "permission as an independent author to"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "share their work with you. So I'm going"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "to give a shout out to HeartMath for all"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "of their work and for for their trust in"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "me so I can share this with you."}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "Uh, the reason I'm saying that is"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "because their chief researcher"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "years ago back in the the early 90s"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "they were doing experiments. They had"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "people"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "take tissue from inside their mouth."}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "Just a little cotton swab inside the"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "mouth."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "Uh, Siga. That's the first line of your"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "immune defense in the human body."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "And they would do the swabs before and"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "after creating coherence which we're"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "going to do in just a minute."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "And they sent these to independent"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "laboratories."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "And one of those laboratories called and"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "said, \"Wow, HeartMath, what is this"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "antibiotic that you're you're creating?\""}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "And and HeartMath says, \"We're not"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "creating an antibiotic. What are you"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "talking about?\" And he said, \"No.\" He"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "said, \"The immune response from these"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "cells, it's it's more than anything"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "we've seen in these antibiotics.\" He"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "said, \"What is this?\" And HeartMath"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "said, \"Honestly, it's no antibiotic."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "This is natural human ability through"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "coherence.\" And and the guy at the lab"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "didn't believe me. He says, \"Oh, yeah,"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "sure, sure, you know, your secret is"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "safe with me. You know, I won't tell"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "anybody.\""}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "It was an antibiotic. We're more"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "powerful than the antibiotics when we"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "give our bodies what they need to do"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "what our bodies know how to do."}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "All right? And I want to be very clear."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "I'm not saying we don't need"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "antibiotics. So there are times when"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "we've all used them. But I want you to"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "know that you have a very powerful"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "uh, uh, immune response that you can"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "enhance through what we're going to do"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "right now. So super immunity."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "Stress relief. Super stress relief."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Here's why this is important."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "You all know when you're stressed"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "typically if you have an emotional"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "stress, relationship stress"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "financial stress, traffic stress, you"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "know about that."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "There are kinds of stress that you're"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "probably not aware of that go all the"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "way down to the molecular that to the"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "DNA level."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "For example, if you go to a restaurant"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "and you eat foods that are cooked in"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "oils that are not prepared properly."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "Now, you can do that and it tastes good."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "Your body has to work to compensate for"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "those seed oils that have been used to"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "cook at high heat."}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "And your body knows how to do that. That"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "is a form of stress at the molecular"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "level. If you drink water that's full of"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "chemicals. It's full of fluoride. It's"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "full of pollutants."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "You're you can do that and it's okay."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "But your body is working at a molecular"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "level. You're not aware of it. So the"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "point is that you are experiencing"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "stress that you're probably not even"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "aware of because your body's working to"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "compensate for all of that. What we're"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "going to do when you create coherence,"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "it relieves not only emotional stress"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "but it relieves stress all the way down"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "to that molecular level. This is"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "self-regulation. All of these are"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "expressions of divinity. Remember"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "divinity. The ability to transcend"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "perceived limitations."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "This is you at your best. This is the"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "best version of you when you can awaken"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "this potential"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "that was given to you as a human body."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "It's a potential not available if you"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "replace your body with synthetics."}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "Synthetics can't do this stuff. All"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "right? So super stress relief. Super"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "stem cells. In the book I talk about new"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "class of stem cells has been found. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "and it is"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "the coherence relieving the stress in"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "the body that actually triggers those"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "stem cells. Super resilience to change."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "Um, when you were really young"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "change was probably easier for you. It"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "usually is for kids. Kids adapt to"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "change really well."}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "If you look at their heart it'll tell"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "you why."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "So when you look at a heartbeat on an"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "EKG, you've got what's called the QRS"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "complex. QRS complex."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "R is that big peak. Boom. Boom. Boom."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "Boom. Boom. Boom."}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "The time from one big beat to the next"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "to peak to the next peak to the next"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "peak, it varies from beat to beat to"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "beat. Just a little bit it varies."}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "When you're young, it varies a lot more"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "than when you get older. As we age our"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "heartbeat becomes more regular. Okay?"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "That variability is called just that,"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "heart rate variability or HRV."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "So here's the key. The more heart rate"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "variability you have, the greater"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "resilience you have to change."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "Here's the rest of the equation."}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "The greater the heart brain coherence"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "the greater the heart rate variability,"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "the greater the resilience to change. So"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "heart brain coherence gives you greater"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "resilience in the world, all right? Uh,"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "super longevity. We all have longevity"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "enzymes. They need to be awakened. They"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "need to be triggered."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> Reducing the stress on the molecular"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "level with heart brain coherence is the"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "the key. It's the trigger to awakening"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "those longevity enzymes, all right?"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:30", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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Help"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "to mend the broken bones. Help to heal"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "the organs [music] so that deer can go"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "and have a beautiful life.\""}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "Because they love the animal. Other"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "people would look at the same deer in"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "the same circumstance [music] and they'd"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "say, \"This deer is suffering. The best"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "thing to do is to end the suffering by"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "ending its life, by helping it to"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "transition away from this world to the"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "next world.\" But think about that. Both"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "people love animals. Both [music] people"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "want the same thing. They want to end"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "the suffering. But the love has directed"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "them in different ways, [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "different ways to go about doing that."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "So, it's just a an example of what I"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "mean when [music] I say that that love"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "can mean different things to different"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "people. Our relationships"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "certainly"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "can result from unresolved hurt. 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Never again will I"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "allow myself to love that deeply.\""}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "[music] What that means is never again"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "will I allow myself to surrender all"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "aspects of myself [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "in exchange for hoping to experience an"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "even greater aspect with this person."}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "They'll say, [music] \"Never again will I"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "I'll always hold something back. I'll"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "always keep a little bit back for myself"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "so I will never be hurt that way again,"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "the way that I was hurt when my first"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "[music] romance didn't work out.\" That's"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "an example of"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "how unresolved hurt not loving [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "deeply to heal those hurts can affect"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "our relationships. 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When"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "I was in school, I was taught that we"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "are this these vulnerable,"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "frail,"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "tissue-based bodies"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "uh that are in constant need of"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "defending ourselves from the the very"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "environment that we come from, that"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "we're"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": ">> that we're supposed to be afraid of that"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "environment. And in that thinking, the"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "world looks like a scary place. [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "And in that world, we feel that we need"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "to design things outside of us, external"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "technology"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "to keep us safe"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> and to empower us and help us re- reach"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "our great potential. You and I are the"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "product of that thinking and that world"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "and we we all are. We're"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "to whatever degree we're aware of it."}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "That that's what's happening now. 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We have an electrical"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "potential in our bodies about 3.5"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "trillion volts of electrical potential."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "What would happen if we could harness"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "that and direct it toward our own"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "healing or toward our longevity enzymes"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "that we all have in our bodies or toward"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "our intuition or toward our resilience"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "or toward"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "deep states of of inner knowing"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "that are revealed in so many of our most"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "ancient and cherished spiritual"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "traditions. 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We store"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "and retrieve information in memory just"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "like we do on the computers and so much"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "more."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "And here's where this gets really"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "This what I'm I'm describing"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "we are what is now being called a soft"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "technology. So we are not hard computer"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "chips and wires and chemicals."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "We are cell membranes, ion potentials"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "across cell walls. 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We're the only form of life,"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "the only form of life that we know of"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "today on this planet."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "Maybe others, I'm sure there are there"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "there is in in other worlds, but in this"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "planet we're the only form of life that"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "can consciously"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "self-regulate our internal technology."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "And what I mean by that is we're the"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "only form of life that can sit down in a"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "moment in time and say in this moment I"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "choose to self-regulate and strengthen"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "my immune system. 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We're the only form of"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "life that can create resilience to"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "change. Man, who doesn't need that? Our"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "world is changing faster than we can"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "track it. It's It's wearing people out."}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "Emotionally, it's causing depression."}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "People are taking their lives because"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "they don't know how to deal with this"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "change."}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "We self-regulate"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "our inner technology, our soft [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "technology, through thought, feeling,"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "emotion, belief, breath, and focus."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "We function, our biology functions on"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "premise, and you've heard this before,"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "it's called use [music] it or lose it."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "If those brain cells are not engaged"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "[music] in a meaningful way, the body"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "says, \"Oh, well, I'm here, but I'm not"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "being used, so you must not need me."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> So, I am going to take myself out of the"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "picture so that we're not wasting"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "energy from the body that can go to"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "other resources in the body, so we're"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "not wasting that [music] ATP and"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "and oxygen and other kinds of energy."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "So, if I'm [music] not needed, I'll just"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "take myself out out of the picture.\""}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "Well, this principle [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "is not isolated to the human brain. Use"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "it or lose it. It applies to every"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "[music] system in the human body. When"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "we replace brain function with"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "technology, [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "there are parts of the brain that will"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "begin to atrophy and cease to function"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "in an individual"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "with those"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "uh the addition of those technologies"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "one individual. The proposals that are"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "out there right now"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> are in mass to replace humans, to begin"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "inserting computer [music] chips in the"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "brain, for example, of all newborns by"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "the year 2030. Or"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "uh or RFID chips [music] under the skin,"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "nano sensors either in the bloodstream"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "or in the respiratory system, they're"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "[music] constantly reporting"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "uh vital data outside of the body"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "[music] back to collectors and and"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "sensors. All these technologies are"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "already available. 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In many instances,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "what we find is our own natural biology"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "not only meets, but even exceeds the"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "capacity of the very technology [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "we're being asked to put into our"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "bodies."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "So, when we begin thinking"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "about these kinds of uh of of movements"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "and the the movement is called the"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "transhuman movement. [music] Trans means"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "beyond human, so beyond human, merging"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "humans"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "with this technology. Is it natural? Is"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "it the next step in our evolution? It"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "can't be because we actually lose vital"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "functions"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "in the process of merging with the"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "technology. We give ourselves away to"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "that technology."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "It is a forced evolution. It is an"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "artificial evolution and we devolve"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "rather than evolve if we are doing"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "uh if we're embracing these things into"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "our lives. [music] And once again,"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "I want to be clear. I am not against"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "technology. I I worked in the"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "corporations. I worked with"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "high-tech high-tech industry during the"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "Cold War years behind the scenes as a"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "senior computer systems designer in the"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "defense industry working on advanced"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "uh programs and systems. I saw some of"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "the most advanced tech, including AI,"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "which was already [music] around back in"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "the 1980s"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "in the military industrial complex, is"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "just now becoming available"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "commercially. But, we've had AI for for"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "a long time."}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "And, the point that I'm making is the"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "tech is just tech."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "Until someone applies it and the"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "thinking underlying how it's applied is"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "where the problems come from."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "So, let me give you an example."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "Computer chip in the brain for one"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "individual"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "who has given his or her life"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "in defense of their country in the"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "battlefield halfway across the world,"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "come home missing arms or legs, missing"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "limbs."}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "What a beautiful thing to have a chip in"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "the brain that can speak to advanced"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "prosthetics, robotic arms and legs."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "To allow that individual to hold their"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "babies in their arms, and to feed"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "themselves, and to to wash their own"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "hair, and brush their own teeth. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "who wouldn't want that? It's a beautiful"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "thing. Those are one-off applications."}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "The proposals are"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "en masse. All"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "people have computer chips in the brain."}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "All people have the"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "the nano sensors in the body. All people"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "have the RFID chips for a number of"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "reasons"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "uh in their body and and under their"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "skin. This is where we get into trouble."}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "Because, if we define"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "human"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "by genetically by uh a blueprint in the"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "genome of the DNA, and if we define"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "human"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "by our capacities"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "uh that we cherish, such as love,"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "empathy, sympathy,"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "compassion, forgiveness,"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "uh the ability to heal, the ability to"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "imagine, to innovate, to create, to"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "share our ideas, to verbalize, to"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "communicate. [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "If we define our species by those"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "parameters, we begin losing those"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "parameters when our biology is replaced"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "with technology for just the reason that"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "I shared with you with the brain cells."}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "All right, the brain cells aren't used,"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "they begin to atrophy and die"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "in one individual because the feeling is"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "they're not needed. Well, that principle"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "applies to every system in the human"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "body. It applies the immune system,"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "chemicals that mimic the way the immune"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "system works, the immune system begins"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "to believe it is not needed anymore"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "because the chemicals are doing the work"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "for them. Reproductive system works for"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "the whole body."}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "So, this is how you lose a species. This"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "is exactly how you lose a species."}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "The question is,"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "do we love ourselves enough"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "to embrace the deep truth of what it"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "means to be human? Do we love ourselves"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "enough"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "to accept our humanness, to accept the"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "power of our humanness,"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "or are we willing to give our humanness"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "away in exchange for the speed and the"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "efficiency of a computer chip and some"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "artificial intelligence?"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "One of my last years in the corporate"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "environment, I shared an office with a"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "woman because our office [music] space"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "was limited. 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We just simply"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "spoke with one another, went to lunch"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "together a lot."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "One day we came back from lunch and she"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "picked up her voicemail and as she was"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "listening to her messages, I saw her"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "face turn sheet [music] white and she"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "sat down and I said,"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "\"What happened?\""}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "And she shared with me a story. I'm"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "going to share that story with you now"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "[music] to illustrate. She just uh"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "had a friend that was her age that had a"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "a young daughter."}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "This daughter had uh graduated from high"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "school just a couple [music] of years"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "earlier."}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "A beautiful young woman was extremely"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "gifted in many areas."}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "Uh she was very athletic, [music] she"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "excelled at academics, she was a"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "wonderful artist and she chose to become"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "a model"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "when she [music] graduated from high"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "school and her parents supported her in"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "that choice. She had done some modeling,"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "done very well as a modeling school in"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "New York City [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "and had just completed a series of jobs"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "and it appeared that 2 years out of high"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "school she was on her way to a pretty"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "successful [music] modeling career."}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "Well, after the first couple of jobs the"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "modeling agencies [music] began to say"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "for this kind of work you're you'll have"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "to change your appearance a little bit"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "and they started with some obvious"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "things and they"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "uh even at her young age they um"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "they did some tucks around her her"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "midline."}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "Um they enlarged her breasts relatively"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "[music] common kinds of plastic surgery."}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "Her parents supported her in that and"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "they said, \"Well, that's what this"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "industry takes. It's"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "that's what it takes.\""}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "Well, it wasn't long before the modeling"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "agencies"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:02", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": ">> began asking for more extreme forms of"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "modification."}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "Uh and for example, she had uh a really"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "cute little overbite when she'd smile"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "[music] and they said, \"Well, you can't"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "have an overbite and be a model.\""}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "So uh they asked her and she did when uh"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "underwent a procedure where her jaws"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "were broken and [music] reset, wired"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "shut,"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "and the idea was that that the overbite"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "would be gone and to be honest uh I saw"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "before and after pictures I I could see"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "very little difference. I really could"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "see very little difference and I thought"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "the overbite was kind of nice."}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "Well, while her jaws had been wired"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "uh of course her uh she was on limited"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "diet. She lost [music] quite a bit of"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "weight"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "and uh which is generally desirable in"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "the in the modeling industry. [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "And as she lost that weight uh some of"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "these ribs, the lower ribs, floating"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "ribs"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "uh began to stick out more than they had"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "[music] before."}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "And the modeling people said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "that's no problem. We can address that"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "surgically.\" And they did. They went in"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "and took out these two floating [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "ribs on either side. And something began"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "to happen with her and uh maybe you've"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "seen this before."}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Uh body weight kind of goes [music] in"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "um in modes. I I was a competitive"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "runner for almost 20 years."}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "And there were sometimes I could eat"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "anything no matter what it was"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "and uh and I I just couldn't keep weight"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "on my body. And there were other times I"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "could think about eating and not do it,"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "and I would I would gain weight. And"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "your body kind of goes into [music] a"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "mode if you can stop eating for a while"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "and you'll still maintain a constant"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "weight or maybe even gain weight."}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": "And [music] um"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "uh and you can begin to lose weight,"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "and then you say, \"Okay, well, that's"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "enough. I'll start eating again.\" And"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "your body is still in a lose [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "weight mode, and it keeps going. And"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "that's what happened to this woman."}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "She uh began to lose weight and uh was"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "in a a lose weight mode. And the phone"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "call that my friend had that morning"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "was from this"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "uh the young girl's mother."}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "Uh her daughter [music] had just died in"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "the hospital from complications of"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "malnutrition."}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "And my question was, \"Why did this"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "happen?\" [music] And on certain"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "airlines, I won't mention airline names,"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "but certain airlines you have to go"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "through Dallas before you go anywhere"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "else. Uh when I went to Toronto, I had"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "to go from Albuquerque to Dallas to get"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "[music] to Toronto. Or there's the"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "Kansas City, you go to Dallas."}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "If you've been to DFW, you know, uh"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "Dallas-Fort Worth Airport, it's a huge"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "airport, and there's a tram system"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "[music] that takes you from um concourse"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "to concourse in theory,"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "when when it's [music] up and working."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "And when it is up and working, it's a"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "wonderful system. It really works well."}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "Typically, [music] what happens is we"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "come in on the end of gate six, and we"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "go out on gate 44, and there's a good"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "half mile or no or more between the two."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "And uh on this particular day,"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "we were at the bottom uh of a of a large"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "escalator waiting for the the trains to"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "come by."}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "And uh and there was a couple that was"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "standing next to me. It was [music]"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "about a 3-minute wait between trains."}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "There's a couple standing next to me."}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "An elderly couple, and apparently the"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "gentleman was hard of hearing."}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "And this couple had an ongoing dialogue,"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "a constant dialogue, where they were"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "between themselves, [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "where they were evaluating everyone"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "around them. And apparently, it's"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "something they had just always done. Uh"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "it seemed very comfortable for them. And"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "and as people would come in, and they'd"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "say, \"Oh, look at that. Who dressed that"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "man this morning? God, look at her. Why"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "does she you know, [music] why why does"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "she do that? Look at that earring.\""}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "Well, I was standing here, they were"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "standing here and out the corner of my"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "eye"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "I saw an extremely large woman coming"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "down the escalator."}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": ">> I I had a client at one time that"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "weighed about 450 and I know that this"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "woman was real close to 400 lb."}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "She was coming down the escalator and"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "she was holding an old-fashioned"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "suitcase, old linoleum with brass"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "fittings [music] on the side, hard hard"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "shell."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "It was 115 in Dallas that day."}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "And I knew that for whatever reason"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "[music] she was traveling, she must have"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "had a good reason because travel could"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "not have been easy for her."}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "Uh the heat, the accommodations of the"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "[music] seats,"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "uh her legs were swollen, her ankles,"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "and she was carrying this funny little"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "suitcase, and she came up and stood"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "right [music] next to us and this couple"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "continued to do what they'd been doing."}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "And because the gentleman was hard of"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "hearing as he was sharing [music] with"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "his wife, we all heard."}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "As he said to his wife, \"Look at that"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "woman. [music] Isn't that terrible? Why"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "doesn't she do something with herself?"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "She should be ashamed of herself for"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "coming in public like that.\""}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "Now, this is one of those rare"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "opportunities. I was [music] here, the"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "couple was here, and the heavy woman was"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "And I believe on an unspoken level she"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "consented"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "to me looking at her [music] eyes"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "because she looked right at me."}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "So, I looked into her eyes and she never"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "said a word and that's how I know that"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "she heard everything that happened."}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "She never [music] said a word."}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "And while we were waiting for that"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "train,"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "tears welled up in her eyes."}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "And I could see she was really fighting"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "just [music] to hold it back and her"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "face got very red. She'd been hurt."}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "By what she'd heard."}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "We got in the train, the couple sat"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "[music] next to me and I spoke with them"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "and they were really nice couple. They"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "were not malicious. I don't think there"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "was a malicious intent. It was just very"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "unconscious thing that that they had"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "done with themselves."}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "And in that [music] moment, what I knew"}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "was that the three of us had had a rare"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "opportunity. The woman had [music] had"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "the opportunity to hear herself judged."}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "The couple had had the opportunity to"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "[music] judge someone else, and I had"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "the opportunity to witness. Both of"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "these stories"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "illustrate the seventh of seven mystery"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "[music] of relationship."}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "It's the mystery"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "of"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "allowing"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "for perfection in the imperfections of"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "life. The young woman that lost her"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "life, [music]"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "my question is,"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "what standard was she holding herself"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "accountable to"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "that made her [music] feel that she was"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "imperfect and must change the body that"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:48", "text": "she was given in this life to"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "to accommodate. [music] What standard?"}, {"start": "00:21:48", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "What did she use as a yardstick? The"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "couple"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "that saw this large woman, me describing"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "[music] her as a large woman to you"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "right now,"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "until you compare"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "your experience or your life to an"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "external reference, how can it be"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "anything [music] other than perfect?"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "And my question to you is"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "to please [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "be aware of what it is that you hold"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "yourself accountable to."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "Gospel of Thomas. If you have a copy of"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "the Gospel of Thomas, this is verse 106"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "translated from the Nag Hammadi library."}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "And if you do not have a copy, it's in"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "our books uh and [music] you can you can"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "go to any library and pick this up."}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "Verse 106. Look at what the lost Gospel"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "of Thomas says."}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "It says, [music] \"When you make the two"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "thought and emotion one,"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "so the Gospel of Thomas is talking about"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "thought and emotion."}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "It's saying, \"When you make your thought"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "and your emotion one, look at what"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "happens."}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "You will say to the mountain, \"Mountain,"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "move away.\" And the mountain will move"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "away."}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "It's saying that when you can marry your"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "thought and your emotion into one single"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "potent force,"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "that is when you [music] have the power"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "to speak."}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "Let's go back to the Gospel of Thomas,"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "another [music] verse. Now, this is"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "verse 48."}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "It says almost the same thing. This was"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "so important"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "that it was recorded at least three"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "different times in the same gospel. Look"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "at what this says."}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "If the two make peace with each other in"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "this one house, when Jesus is talking"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "about the house or the temple, what is"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "he talking about?"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "What is he talking about?"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "Precisely, you. You are the house. You"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "are the temple."}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "If the two make peace with each other in"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "this house, if thought and emotion"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "become one, if they make peace with each"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "other in this house, look what happens."}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "They will say to the mountain, \"Move"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "away.\" And it will move away. He's"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "telling [music] us again."}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "In a completely different verse, how"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "powerful it is to marry thought and"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "emotion."}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "But they still haven't told us how. How"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "do you do this?"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "That's the next piece."}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "In the early Christian Bible,"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "your Bible today,"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "there is a passage. How [music] many"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "have heard, \"Ask and you shall receive\"?"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "Have you heard that before?"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "\"Ask and you shall receive.\" Have you"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "heard that?"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "I know people that ask and ask and ask"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "and nothing happens."}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "Because the asking is not done with the"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "voice."}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "The asking is not done. Please, please"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "bring this to my world. That's not"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "asking."}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "To ask, we must speak to the field, to"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "the divine matrix in the language"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "that the field recognizes."}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "And a language that's meaningful, the"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "field doesn't recognize our voice, it"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "recognizes [music] the power of our"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "heart. Remember this morning, our heart,"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "we have a feeling, creates electrical"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "waves, magnetic waves. That's the"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "language the field recognizes."}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "So, when you create the feeling in your"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "heart as if"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "your prayer is already answered."}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "That creates the electrical and the"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "magnetic waves that bring that answer to"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "you. And you're going to see this in"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "just a moment."}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "Ask and you shall receive."}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "While we still have this"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "passage in our text,"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "in the Bible that you have [music]"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "today, the King James version,"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "John"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "16:23-24, [music]"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "what you have is the condensed version."}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "You have the edited version."}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "The edited version looks like this."}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "This is the edited version."}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "Whatsoever you ask the Father in my"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "name, he will give it to you."}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "Hitherto have you asked nothing in my"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "name."}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "Ask and you shall receive that your joy"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "may be full."}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "Okay, this is the edited version. This"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "is so amazing to me because they took"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "out the two sentences that tell us how"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "to ask."}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "In the 4th century, when the edits"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "happened, they took those [music] two"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "sentences out. Would you like to see"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "those two original sentences?"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "This is the original Aramaic. It begins,"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "it looks very similar."}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "So, this is the retranslated version"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "with the missing pieces."}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "All things that you ask straightly,"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "directly from inside my name, you will"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "be given."}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "It says, \"So far you've not done this.\""}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "Because if we ask with our voice, we"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "have not done this."}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "Now, here's the piece that was edited."}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "Here [music] is what was lost. Look at"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "these two very powerful sentences."}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "Ask without hidden motive and be"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "surrounded by your answer, be enveloped"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "by what you desire, that your gladness"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "be full."}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "Look at what it's saying. It's not"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "saying to speak a word, it's [music]"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "saying to be surrounded, to feel as if."}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "If you are surrounded, you are feeling"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "as if"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "your answer has already happened. Be"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "enveloped."}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "If you want"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "the perfect relationship in your life,"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "if you want the healing in the body of"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "your loved ones,"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "feel the feeling of what it is like as"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "if that has already happened. Be"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "enveloped by what you desire, because"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "that is when your thought and your"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "emotion become one."}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "You think the thought of the healing in"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "your loved ones and you feel the love of"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "that thought. They become one and that"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "is the language that this field"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "recognizes. Does that make sense? Are"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "you okay with that?"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "Mhm."}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "The universe is holographic. This is how"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "nature communicates information. Uh you"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "know, probably one of the the most"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "amazing examples that come to mind from"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "this beyond what what I'm sharing with"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "you. You've all heard of the hundredth"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:01", "text": "monkey principle."}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "And this comes from a a scientific study"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "that was done from primates"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "on a number of islands and I believe"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "they were in the Pacific."}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "Uh they were"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "in the South Pacific."}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "And the anthropologists were studying"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "the habits of primates. In this case,"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "they were chimpanzees. [music]"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "And what they found was that the the"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "chimpanzees"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "were having problems finding food"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "and that they resorted to uh eating ants"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "that were deep in the earth uh in ant"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "hills and it was hard to get to them."}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:39", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:41", "text": ">> So, there was one chimp that did"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "something that had never been seen uh in"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "any of the chimp communities on any of"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "the islands in the past."}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "He took a stick and he fashioned the"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:51", "text": "stick as a tool."}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "Consciously, intentionally fashioned the"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "stick as a tool, put the stick down into"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "the ant hill. The ants began to cling to"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "the stick and when he pulled the stick"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "up, his tool allowed him uh to have"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "access to those ants in a way that he'd"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "never had before."}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "So, this was a pretty cool thing to do,"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "but where the holographic principle"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "comes in"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "is that it wasn't long before the"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "[music] chimps on other islands with no"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "communication physically. They weren't"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "like swimming from island to island."}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "They weren't radioing one another from"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "island to island."}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "But without any visible [music] means of"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "communication, chimps on the other"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "islands began to do the same thing. They"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "learned from the chimp that was"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "innovative and tried something new. That"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "is a beautiful example of the"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "holographic principle. Didn't have to go"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "linearly from island to island. One ship"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "figured out a new way to do things, it"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "was in the field, it was in"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "consciousness, and all of a sudden other"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "chimps began to access [music] that"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "consciousness. That is the power of the"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "holographic principle."}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "One of the really fascinating things,"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "and I'm going to address this briefly as"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "we"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "as we go through this this explanation"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "is that our experience of time is"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "holographic [music] as well. Because"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "time, there is nothing in physics that"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "limits us from moving backward in time"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "as well as forward in time."}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "And there are scientific studies that"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "are happening right now suggesting"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "[music] that we actually do this"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "when we"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "experience a memory of the past"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "that a part of us is actually traveling"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "back to that moment in the past."}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "And the reason this is so powerful is"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "because the experience the experiments"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "now are strongly suggesting that from"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "this moment in time we can go back into"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "our past when we have had trauma."}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "And that we can actually communicate"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "with ourselves in the past"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "to shift our experience of the trauma so"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "that we're healing it in the present"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "moment. Wow, if that isn't a mind"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "blower, I don't know what is."}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "Think about that. It means that if you"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "are a child 50 years ago experiencing"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "[music] a traumatic event"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "and you are feeling alone, if if that"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "child senses that there is an"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "acceptance, that there's"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:22", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:25", "text": ">> not a judgment, that the shame of that"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "traumatic experience is being healed in"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "that time"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "then there is a communication and a"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "mutual healing. [music] The child at"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "that time is being helped as you've gone"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "back into time and you are being helped"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "because now the trauma of your earlier"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "self doesn't have the same meaning to"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "your adult self."}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "Tremendous studies being done around"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "this. The point is it's all possible"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:52", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:53", "text": ">> because of the holographic principle. So"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "while Albert Einstein believed that we"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "were separate from the world, John"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "Wheeler said that [music] that we are an"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "integral part of the world. He said that"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "we live in the universe that is still"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "still [music] building itself. He said"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "that and I love this about John Wheeler."}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "He said that when we build the"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "microscopes to look at the at the"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "smallest elements of matter inside the"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "quantum atom."}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "And when we build the telescopes to look"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "into the depths of space,"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "what John Wheeler said was that we will"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "never find the smallest [music] particle"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "of matter and we'll never find the edge"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "of the universe. He [music] said because"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "the act of us searching"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "is an act [music] of creation that will"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "always place something there for us to"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "see. Now I have to think about that."}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "It's a deep concept. [music]"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "He said the act of us looking, peering"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "into [music] the world with the"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "expectation"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "that we will see something is actually"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "an act of creating something. [music]"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "And now our own science is beginning to"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "help us understand how that is. The"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "human heart"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "is the strongest [music] generator of"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "electricity and magnetism in the human"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "body. And our world is made of"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "electrical and magnetic fields."}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "So when we feel deeply with our heart,"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "we're actually influencing. [music]"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "Now I don't want to use the word control"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "or manipulate. We're not imposing our"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "will, but we have the ability now"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "to actually interact"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "with the world around us from a"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "distance."}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:28", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:30", "text": ">> And this is the very core"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "of our most cherished and ancient"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "spiritual traditions."}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "The Institute of Heart Math"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "was able to document the existence of"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "this field."}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "So, this is not a hypothetical field."}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "Uh this is not new age. It's not the"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "prana. It's not the aura."}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "Although it may be connected to the"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "prana and the aura."}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "This is an electrical and a magnetic"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "field that surrounds every human heart."}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "It's shaped like a donut."}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "It's called a torus."}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "They built a special a special device."}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "And they had human DNA. And they wanted"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "really pure DNA."}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "So, this is DNA from placenta. It's"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "isolated. And they wanted to see if if"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "an individual that has learned to"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "regulate the emotions"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "can change"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "the shape of this DNA."}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "The shape."}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "Here's why that's important."}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "What researchers have found out is this."}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "The DNA in the cells of your body does"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "in fact change shape"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "in the the presence"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "uh of"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "anger, hate,"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "jealously, rage,"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "stress,"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "those kinds of what we would call"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "negative emotions."}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "The DNA is compressed. It's wound up"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "very very tightly and compressed."}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "And because it is wound tightly, it"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "cannot express fully."}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "So, in the presence of anger, hate,"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "jealousy, rage, the DNA is not able to"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "fully function. But you know that. When"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "people are living in stress, they're the"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "health"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "centers."}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "In the presence of positive emotions,"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "gratitude, appreciation, love,"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "compassion, look at what happened DNA?"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "It actually relaxed."}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "For 300 years,"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "science"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "has told the story of separation. It's"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "told us that life is completely random,"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "human life is random, that we're"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "separate from our bodies and powerless"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "to to have any effect on healing our"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "bodies, that we're separate from the"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "world around us, uh that civilization"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "is only 5,000 years old, and we're are"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "the pinnacle of sophistication,"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "and that competition"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "is the way to solve our problems."}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "Those are now called false assumptions"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "of science, six false assumptions. And"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "the world that we have today is the"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "result of those false assumptions. New"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "discoveries have given us new reasons to"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "change all of those. New discoveries are"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "telling us that life itself, origin of"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "life, it's not random, that human life"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "is not random, that we're deeply"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "connected to our bodies, we're deeply"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "connected to the earth, civilization is"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "cyclic, and nature is based upon"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "cooperation. And if we can embrace those"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "new truths"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "as we solve the greatest crises, the"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "biggest problems that we've ever been"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "asked to face,"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "then we open the door to a beautiful new"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "world based upon sustainable ways of"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "thinking and sustainable ways of living."}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "And that's why I'm excited about this"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "conversation. Yes, you said something"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "very that I I it's it struck me in a"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "way."}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:55", "text": ">> it."}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:58", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:00", "text": ">> It's you said something which most of us"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "would consider a miracle, which is"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "self-healing."}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:05", "text": ">> Mhm. Like"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "a lot of people still don't believe that"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "there is such thing, and they need"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "again, they need proof. They need to"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "have a neighbor who did that. They need"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "to see it on the TV"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:14", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:17", "text": ">> filmed in you know, real time. They they"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "need proof to believe that. Why is that?"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "And is it really possible?"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "When we look at our bodies and what our"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "own science now is beginning to"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "to to help us understand."}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:29", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:31", "text": ">> It is very similar to what our most"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "cherished and ancient indigenous [music]"}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "and spiritual traditions have always"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "said."}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "What science is telling us is this."}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "Is that"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "the cells in our bodies"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "that determine our health respond"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": ">> to the chemistry released by the brain."}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "And the chemistry released by the brain"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "is triggered from the feelings in the"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "human heart."}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "What we know is that every moment of"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "every day"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "there's a conversation between our heart"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "and our brain. It's a two-way"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "conversation. [music]"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "Our heart is sending signals to the"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "brain."}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "And based upon those signals the brain"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "releases chemistry [music] into the"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "body."}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "When we feel frightened, angry, hate,"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "jealousy, rage, frustration"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "that sends a very jagged irregular"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "signal to the brain and it releases"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "stress chemistry, which is good for a"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "moment, but it's not good 24/7. Do we"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:29", "text": "see that Do we see that jagged because"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "that's what was another"}, {"start": "00:39:29", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "point of view? Like how do we know it's"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "like this? How do we sense it? Do we"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "film it? Do we register record it"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "somehow?"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:41", "text": ">> The answer is yes to everything that you"}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "said. There's an organization called the"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "Institute of Heart Math. H E A R T M A T"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "H, but it's all one word."}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:50", "text": ">> Mhm. They're based in Northern"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "California."}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "Uh I am not their employee, but I have"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "uh worked closely with them for 20 years"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "now."}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "And they are pioneers in"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "uncovering the deepest mysteries of the"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "human heart"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "in ways that conventional science does"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "not. So, conventional science says the"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "heart pumps blood."}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "Well, you can make a machine to do that,"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "but what else does our heart do?"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "So, the Institute of Heart Math, to"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "answer your question, has documented"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "this um"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "the information between the heart and"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "you can actually see the information"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "between the heart and the brain when we"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "feel feelings of well-being,"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "appreciation,"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "gratitude,"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:35", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:38", "text": ">> compassion, care,"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "then the signal is a very smooth"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "rhythmic signal [music]"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "to our brain and our brain says, \"Ah,"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "the world is safe, so I don't need the"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "stress chemistry.\""}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:49", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:50", "text": ">> So, it begins to release the anti-aging"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "hormones"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:56", "text": "in our bodies and and powerful"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "immune response is created within our"}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "bodies in the presence of this smooth"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "signal."}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "The the connection is called coherence,"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "heart brain coherence."}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "An optimum coherence now has been"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "measured, it's a very low frequency,"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "0.10 [music]"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "hertz."}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "That is the language [music] that whales"}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:19", "text": "communicate in the oceans. It's a very"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "low frequency."}, {"start": "00:41:19", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "So, if we can [music] create the"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "feelings in our hearts, for example,"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "of 0.10 hertz,"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "that is an optimum [music] connection"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "between our heart and our brain"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "and that begins releasing the healing"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "chemistry from our brain [music] into"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "the cells of our bodies and this has"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "been documented. It reduces high blood"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "pressure, reduces vascular plaque,"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "reduces"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:46", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:49", "text": ">> the chances for stroke."}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "When we are able to feel those kinds of"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "feelings sustained over long periods of"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "time, the immune system increases the"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "DHEA level."}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "It's the precursor to all hormones in"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "the body. Every hormone must have the"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "DHEA."}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "DHEA"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "increases 100%"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "from only 3 minutes of feeling the"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "feelings, [music]"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "appreciation, gratitude, compassion,"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "love."}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "While the stress chemistry decreases 23%"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "in the same time, and all we're doing is"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "having a feeling. Those are the"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "qualities that the body needs to begin"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "to heal itself."}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "Whether we're talking about moons moving"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "around the planet or we're talking about"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "plants moving around the sun,"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "they are made of atoms."}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:42", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:43", "text": ">> And now we know that those atoms look"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "like this."}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "So, when we look into the night sky and"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "we see our moon, or we look through a"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "telescope and we see the the moons of"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "Jupiter or Saturn,"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "what we know is we're not really seeing"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "physical things, although they appear"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "physical to us. What we're seeing"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:02", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:04", "text": ">> uh are are collections"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "of what you're seeing on the screen,"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "pulsing [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "fields of information"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "that appear as solid to us. So, what"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "we're saying is it depends upon the"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "perspective. On one level, on the"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "quantum level,"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "these"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "planets, and the moons around the"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "planets, and the solar systems, actually"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "are functioning on this level as pulsing"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "fields of information. And on another"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "level, depending on how we want to"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "engineer them, uh and how we observe"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "them, they are"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "uh the the physical essence of of what"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "we see."}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "This is one of the quandaries in physics"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "because the very famous double-slit"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "experiment done early in the 20th"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "century was the first to pose"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "this conundrum, this mystery,"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "because it appears that [music]"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "quantum particles"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "express themselves as waves of energy,"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "which is what you're seeing on the"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "screen right now, until they are"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "observed and the act of observing"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "the wave collapses it into a particle."}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "That becomes the physical reality. So,"}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "that's another mind-blower, and I know"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "you've heard me talk about in other"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "programs. I won't spend a lot of time on"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "it here."}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "But the answer is that the"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "the new"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "the new perception of atoms"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "uh as pulsing waves of probability,"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "pulsing fields of probability, it gives"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "us a deeper insight into the reality"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "that we live in. But where this gets"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "really interesting is when it comes to"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:47", "text": "you and me. I mentioned a moment ago"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "that the average human body has about 50"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "trillion"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "cells, whatever an average person is."}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "But each of those cells is made of about"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "100 trillion or so atoms."}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:06", "text": "Every one of those atoms is not a static"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "body, but it is a dynamic field of"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "energy that is constantly emerging from"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "the field and collapsing back into the"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "field. Number one, number two, every one"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "of those atoms is about 99.999999999%"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "empty space."}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "It means that you and I are less"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "physical than we have been led to"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "believe. We're mostly empty space."}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "We appear physical because of the way"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "our brains are perceiving the energy"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "being given off by the atoms."}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "So, we an atom, when you're talking"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "about an atom, it's less of a thing"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:49", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:52", "text": ">> in time and more of a place in space."}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "And what that means is that you and I"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "are less of a thing and more of a place"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "in space-time."}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "This is why your healing is possible in"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "the way that it is."}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:05", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:07", "text": ">> Because your perceptions"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "form the template"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "for the way the atoms are going to"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "express as they emerge and collapse into"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "the field. If you like everything about"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "you, you don't change your perception."}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "If you are choosing a deeper state of"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "healing, for example, or a healthier"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "state of your physical being, or a a"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "healthier state of your emotional being,"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "you are one of the rare forms of life,"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "perhaps the only one that we know of on"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "Earth, with the ability to consciously"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "consciously choose to shift to the way"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "you perceive yourself so that that shift"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "in perception forms a new template, a"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "new blueprint for the way those atoms"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "are emerging from the field to reflect"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "your new perception of yourself."}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:55", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:57", "text": ">> And the beauty is you don't have to know"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "any of that. I'm I'm share I'm answering"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "these two questions and I'm sharing with"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "you the science. But the beauty is"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "uh you don't need to know that, and"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "there are many really good teachers,"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "really good books, spiritual practices"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "that have been around for 5,000 years"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "that invite us to hold a positive sense"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "of ourselves. Rather looking in the"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "mirror and focusing on the"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "imperfections, the illusion of the"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "imperfections that you may see,"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "the invitation is to look into that"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "mirror"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:33", "text": "and see yourself in the perfection of"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "your highest vision."}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "Now, people will say, \"Gregg, isn't that"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "lying to yourself?\" And the answer is"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "no. This comes from a deep understanding"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "of how the quantum field works. You've"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "got to give the quantum field something"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "to work with."}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "If you're looking at yourself, focusing"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "on what you perceive as the flaws and"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "the imperfection, that's what you're"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "feeding into the field, that's the"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "blueprint that the atoms are going to"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "adhere to as they are emerging"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "back in the field to reinforce what your"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "focus is. 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You're giving it"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "a blueprint, a template of what it is"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "that you would like to experience. The"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "key is, and this is the bottom line for"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "me here, is that we must"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "become"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "in our lives what we choose to"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "experience [music]"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "in the world. When we replace our bodies"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "with synthetics, we lose the ability to"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "do the things we're talking about. We"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "lose the ability"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:57", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:49:01", "text": ">> to access the neuropeptides in the same"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "way and to be able to to ask your body,"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "you know, what color is your pain? And"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "I'm going to go back. What we're talking"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "about, the the humaneness that is on the"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "line that we stand to lose,"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "falls under the umbrella in the first"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "[clears throat] Q&A of what we call"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "divinity, human divinity. Yeah. And"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "divinity's not linked to religion in"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "contemporary definitions. Many people"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "link it to religions."}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:26", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:28", "text": ">> But the the definition of divinity, it's"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "it's about the ability for us to be the"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "best version of ourselves. It's our It's"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "defined as our ability to transcend, to"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "become more than perceived"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:37", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:40", "text": ">> limitations. And that's our divinity."}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "So, expressions of divinity"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:46", "text": "are imagination, creativity, innovation,"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "the ability to share ideas with one"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "another, love, compassion, forgiveness,"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "your healing begins with divinity,"}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "empathy, sympathy, compassion. These are"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "all expressions of divinity."}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:03", "text": "We stand to lose these with synthetics"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "[music] in the body because synthetics"}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "cannot an AI cannot have these kinds of"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "experiences. They can't access"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:11", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:13", "text": ">> uh the human experience. We're only"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:15", "text": "beginning to understand what it means to"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "be human and we're on the precipice of"}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:19", "text": "giving our humanness away to technology"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "before we even know what it means to be"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "human. I I think I'm not saying don't. I"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "I would never attempt to convince or"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "persuade someone of what to do. I'm"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "informing."}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "And what I'm saying is"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "once it's gone, it's gone. We owe it to"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "ourselves to know what it means to be"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "human first. Then"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "if the trade-off is worth it"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "to an individual, they know at least"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "consciously what they're giving away."}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "And most people And this goes back to"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "the question you asked earlier,"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "how do you inform young people and and"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "how do you inform even adults?"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "Most people when the facts are clear"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "the choices become obvious. We're simply"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "sharing facts and truths that are not"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "commonly shared in the mainstream. And"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "and I've had So, for example, we just"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "talked about the the neural network in"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "the heart. I've had cardiologists in"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:13", "text": "[music] my four-day events that come up"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "to me during the break in the stage and"}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "say, \"Why don't we know about this? Why"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "Why [music] don't I know about this in"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "my practice?\""}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "And I said,"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "\"Well, you're here now, so you do.\" He"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "said, \"Yeah, but why aren't we teaching"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "this stuff in medical school?\" And I"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "said, \"You know, uh I can't answer that"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "question, but"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "uh but it's apparent that it's not. So,"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "the better we know ourselves, this is"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "the key."}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "The better we know ourselves, the less"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "we fear change in the world around us"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:47", "text": "because the better we know ourselves"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "our sense of well-being doesn't depend"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "on that external world and perhaps most"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "importantly the better we know ourselves"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "the less we fear our own power. And this"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "is really what we're talking about."}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:03", "text": "We're conditioned to feel meek, uh to"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "put everyone else first. That's all of"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "our our conditioning."}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "Uh we are conditioned to be afraid of"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "our power and once you begin to really"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "and there's a responsibility that comes"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "with that power."}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "There's accountability that comes with"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "the power and a lot of people would"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "prefer not not to engage with that. And"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "that's a choice. But the the better we"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "know ourselves the less we fear our own"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "power and the better we know ourselves"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "the less urgency"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "we feel to replace ourselves with"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "technology. Mhm. Because we are the"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:41", "text": "technology that we're waiting for. We"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "are literally we are the technology. The"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "images you're going to see were were"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "they're not professional images. They"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "were done by hand in a medicine less"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "hospital in Beijing, [music] China."}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "Uh it's a medicine less hospital. It's"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "almost an oxymoron."}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:55", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:57", "text": ">> It is a place unlike anything you see"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "here in the west. I have yet to see one"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "of these here in the west. What is about"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "to happen is this is one example but"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "they do this all the time. This isn't a"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "one shot deal. I don't want you think"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "it's just a one time only."}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "There's a woman who's gone to this has"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "gone to western medical doctors. They've"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "diagnosed [music] her with an inoperable"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "bladder cancer and they said we can't"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "help you. There's nothing we can do."}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "They said be comfortable to the end of"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "your days."}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "She said, \"Well, thanks for your"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "opinion. I'm going to go someplace"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "else.\""}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "She now is at a medicine less hospital."}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "She has learned [music] about her body"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "and she's learned many of the principles"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "that we're talking about right now."}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "She's learned new life affirming ways to"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "nourish her body, to move her body in"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "gentle life affirming ways to stimulate"}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "the electrical and the magnetic fields"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "[music] in her body. She's learned new"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "ways to believe, new ways to breathe the"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "breath of life, deep life-affirming"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "breaths with her diaphragm out."}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "So, I like that when I say that and I"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "hear people go"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "I say, \"Oh, good audience, good"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:00", "text": "audience.\""}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:02", "text": "And at some point it makes sense to"}, {"start": "00:54:00", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "undergo what she is about to undergo."}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "I'm going to answer some of your"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:08", "text": "questions [music] right now. The woman"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "is awake, she's conscious, she believes"}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "in the process that is happening. She"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "has prepared her body with"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "life-affirming actions such as the ones"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "I just described."}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "Through a sonogram, through an"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "ultrasound, we can look at her body"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "while three practitioners are doing all"}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "the things I just shared."}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "They aren't touching her."}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:35", "text": "They are feeling the feeling as if"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "[music] the woman is already healed."}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:40", "text": "Now, this is powerful."}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "They're not judging her cancer is right"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "or wrong or good or bad. 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They're saying it's one"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:56", "text": "possibility and now they're saying, \"We"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:59", "text": "know the language to choose a new"}, {"start": "00:54:56", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "possibility.\" And they're feeling the"}, {"start": "00:54:59", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "feeling of what it feels like to be in"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "the presence of a woman who is fully"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "healed, already enabled, fully"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "capacitated, it's already happened in"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:13", "text": "real time in 2 minutes and 40 seconds on"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "the computer screen of the sonogram, you"}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "can see [music] that change mirrored in"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "her body."}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "Her atoms will respond that quickly."}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:25", "text": "And to [music] many people, I've shown"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "this to many medical organizations, they"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "say it's a miracle. It's only a miracle"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "until you understand what happens. And"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "then what is it?"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "It's a technology."}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:35", "text": "But it's not a woo-woo area. It's not"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "like, you know, really cool music"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "[music] happening and the light doesn't"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "shimmer and and there's no, you know,"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "nothing weird rainbows in the room or"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "anything."}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:45", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:46", "text": ">> It's just the way things seem to work."}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "And they do this all the time. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "going to let the video go to the end"}, {"start": "00:55:48", "end": "00:55:51", "text": "because they'll give themselves an"}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "applause. They'll they'll say, \"Good"}, {"start": "00:55:51", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "[music] for this woman.\" They have a 95%"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:57", "text": "success rate after 5 years if people"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "will do what they're trained to do"}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "afterward, life-affirming lifestyle. And"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "then they'll say, \"Next.\" And another"}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "one comes in. They do this all the time."}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "Because it's part of their culture and"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "they allow for it. And I'm going to ask"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "for no audio at first. Bring the audio"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:15", "text": "down. They're going to begin a chant."}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:17", "text": "And there's no magic in this chant. The"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "chant is a word that they have agreed"}, {"start": "00:56:17", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "upon that reinforces for them [music]"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "the feeling. So, it could be any word."}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "So, here's the woman. She's awake. She's"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "conscious. There's her little tummy."}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "You'll bring the audio down, please."}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "All the way down. Okay, on the left-hand"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "side is a reference image. Freeze-frame."}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:38", "text": "The black is the emptiness inside her"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "bladder. There's the lump right there."}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "That's the tumor. Now, they're taking a"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "snapshot."}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "A moment in time for reference. The"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "right side, now the image is coming up"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:49", "text": "real time. If you're trained in"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "ultrasound and you think this might be a"}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:53", "text": "hoax, look at the floor of the bladder"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "and watch the registration marks. And"}, {"start": "00:56:53", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "you see they don't [music] change."}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "That's how you know it's not a hoax. Uh"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "okay, if you go ahead and bring the"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "audio up so you can listen to the chant."}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "And they're saying"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "Sa roughly translates into the words"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "already done. It's already happened."}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "It's already already healed."}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "Watch the right side of the [music]"}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "screen."}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "Watch the white right side of the"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "screen."}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "So, the left is reference. The right is"}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "real time. This is her body right now."}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "Saying gone gone gone. gone."}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "Okay, will you hit pause, please?"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "I'm going to ask our AV, can you hit"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "pause one more time? Let's see if we can"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "[music] toggle the bar."}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "One more time."}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:55", "text": "I guess that's where it is."}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "Okay, well, you get the idea."}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "The tumor's gone. Some of you have seen"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:57:59", "text": "it, some [music] have never seen it. How"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "do you feel when you see something like"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "that? Is it meaningful to you at all?"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:07", "text": "Do you feel that you have to go halfway"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "around the world [music] to have"}, {"start": "00:58:07", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "something an experience like this if you"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "wanted to do this? You don't. That's the"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "the reason I'm sharing this. You have"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:17", "text": "everything that you need in your body"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "and you have all the wisdom of how our"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:22", "text": "reality works."}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "All that we are required to do is now"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:25", "text": "have the understanding that allows us to"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:27", "text": "believe"}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "in this possibility to allow it to"}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "happen in our lives. Now, I'm sharing"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "this with one woman. This is changing"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "the life of one woman. They're feeling"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "the feeling as if the outcome, whatever"}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "it is, has already happened. The same"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:42", "text": "principle I shared yesterday applies for"}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "a large geographic area. People that"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "were trained to feel peace"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:46", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:48", "text": ">> during the Israeli-Lebanese War, when"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "they felt peace, all that happened was"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "peace."}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "We've done this with Princeton"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "University on the Global Consciousness"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "Project and we've seen those little"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "eggs that we saw yesterday that that"}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "show human consciousness all over the"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "world. We've seen it respond. So, it's"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "the same principle that whether you're"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "talking about personal healing, global"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:08", "text": "peace, personal [music] abundance, your"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "personal"}, {"start": "00:59:08", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "personal relationships, joy in your"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "life, whatever it is, it's the same"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "principle. Okay, go ahead and let this"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "finish, please. [music]"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "Okay, so you can see that tumor is gone"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:27", "text": "and that was 2 minutes and 40 seconds"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "real time. But, I want you to see what"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "they do next."}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "They give themselves a hand."}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:37", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:38", "text": ">> So, how do you feel when you see"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "something like this? Is it meaningful to"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "you at all?"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:42", "text": ">> [applause]"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:49", "text": ">> Was that a miracle or was it a"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "technology?"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "It's a very powerful internal"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "technology. It's a technology [music]"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "that you were born with the power"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "to communicate with the stuff your body"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "in this universe [music] is made of."}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "Doesn't it make perfect sense that it"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "would be that way? I mean, honestly,"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "doesn't it?"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "Whether we are living [music] in a"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "simulation, a virtual reality, the real"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:14", "text": "thing, it's irrelevant."}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "If you know the code, you choose the"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "limits."}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:20", "text": "And I think what's [music] happening is"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "that we have placed ourselves in the"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "position"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:26", "text": "where we've created in the world around"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:28", "text": "us the [music] conditions"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "that are forcing us to come to terms"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:33", "text": "with our reality."}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "We must think about our world"}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "differently. We must think about our"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "bodies differently"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:39", "text": "because [music] we're creating"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "conditions that we simply won't survive"}, {"start": "01:00:39", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "if we don't do that. And the power to"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:46", "text": "[music] do precisely that is what"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "happens when we ask ourselves, \"Who are"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "we? Who are we?\" I'll [music] tell you"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "who we are is that we are reality"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "makers. That's who we are."}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "The key is we can make only what we"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:57", "text": "believe in. And the power to do that is"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "a power that truly lives in every single"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "one of us, every one of us."}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "So, as you go to all of the programs and"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "all the wisdom and the brilliant minds"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "and beautiful hearts of all the people"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "who are here today, I'm just so honored"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "to be sharing"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:12", "text": "this conference with every one of them."}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "My prayer is that this offers a bit of a"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "context, kind of a global context, and"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "everything everybody's saying fits in"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "here somewhere because they're all"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "giving us tools to know how we do these"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:27", "text": "things. How we become in our hearts"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "the things that we choose to experience"}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "in our lives. And And that's where I'm"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "going to end today. You've all heard"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "this before. The bottom line to all of"}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "this is that you don't have to know any"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "of it."}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "The monasteries in Tibet, those monks"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "and nuns, they don't know they don't"}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "need to know any of this stuff because"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "they were born accepting it. In our left"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "brain minds,"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:46", "text": "we need a reason to think of things"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:50", "text": "differently. The key is that we must"}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "literally become in our hearts things"}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "that we'd like to experience in our"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "world. And in that way, we are those"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "reality makers. Our job is to express"}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "through this physical form and out into"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:05", "text": "the world. And by doing so, a byproduct"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "is we heal. We heal if we let the"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "continuum continuum. But if we stop it"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "right here at us and our stories and we"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "get [music] locked into our past"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "experiences and we keep reiterating them"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:19", "text": "and keep like the broken record keep"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "referencing them. Um what is happening"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "is we're building a constitution that"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "one day will break through [music] and"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:28", "text": "express on beyond our story. But we can"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:30", "text": "learn to do that consciously and"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "intentionally rather than having to wait"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "for"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:33", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:35", "text": ">> the pain that generates in the breakdown"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:39", "text": "of our physical systems and our bodies"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:42", "text": "in our organs and glands and and our our"}, {"start": "01:02:39", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "our outlooks and our perceptions of self"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "as they begin to break down because we"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "are holding on to this illusionary"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "version of who we are as a personality."}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:52", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:54", "text": ">> Um what happens eventually is it builds"}, {"start": "01:02:52", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "up enough that it breaks through uh in a"}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:03:00", "text": "painful manner. And we would really love"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "to be able to inspire people enough to"}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:06", "text": "understand their true origin, the makeup"}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "of their true selves so that they can"}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "more easily and more gracefully allow"}, {"start": "01:03:08", "end": "01:03:13", "text": "this continuum of energy to flow through"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "this body gateway, this doorway that we"}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:19", "text": "are, and out into the world as a"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:22", "text": "solution, as our creative ideas are"}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:25", "text": "being honored by us in our impetus for"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "doing things in the way that we honestly"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "feel in an integrated heartfelt deep"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "wisdom manner are the best solutions"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "[music] for us. When we can claim our"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "sovereignty back again and recognize"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "that we're made of the solution, and"}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "it's [music] each of our individual gift"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:47", "text": "to humanity to live into that. It isn't"}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:50", "text": "something we have to ask permission for"}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "or earn our way into. It's [music] why"}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:55", "text": "we came. We came to do that, and as we"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "allow ourselves to begin that process,"}, {"start": "01:03:55", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "we pick up momentum."}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:01", "text": "And as we pick up momentum of our"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "creative expression [music]"}, {"start": "01:04:01", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "into the world and we feel the"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "sensations that happen under those"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "conditions, we start to recognize, oh,"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "this is who I am. This is what is meant"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:17", "text": "to be. Uh [music] and we allow that"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "momentum to carry us into the friction"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:21", "text": "and the conflict [music] and the"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:24", "text": "non-supportive nature that we are met"}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "with in these social unfortunate norms"}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "that have been"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:30", "text": ">> unfortunate because they're teaching us"}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:33", "text": "how to, you know, muscle up in the face"}, {"start": "01:04:30", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "of it. These norms that have become uh"}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "regular life assuming that we do not"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:39", "text": "have the power, that we are not"}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:42", "text": "connected, that we need something else"}, {"start": "01:04:39", "end": "01:04:44", "text": "to tell us who we are and what is what"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "has heart and meaning to us. And I'll"}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "just lastly say that in all of my"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "experience, whether it is"}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "interdimensional experience with my"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "uh within my own consciousness and my"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "own evolutionary process of awakening,"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:04:59", "text": "or in my clinical experience in working"}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "with people, [music]"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "that the number one expression of that"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "divinity and that number one ability to"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:10", "text": "embody that divine essence, that high"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:12", "text": "frequency energy that is beyond the"}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "third dimension, but is"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "fourth-dimensional and fifth-dimensional"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:18", "text": "and even beyond that. We are not"}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:22", "text": "multi-dimensional beings, [music] we are"}, {"start": "01:05:18", "end": "01:05:25", "text": "every dimensional beings. That That one"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "thing that allows for us to"}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "be the embodiment of that is a quality"}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:34", "text": "of what I call a greater love. We can"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "call it unconditional, we can call it"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "this ancient love, the grandmother"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "wisdom type of love, this divine"}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "feminine that holds and nurtures us in"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:47", "text": "our process of becoming a better human."}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "But I like to call it simply a greater"}, {"start": "01:05:47", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "love. It's just greater and greater and"}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:54", "text": "greater. That way we're not referencing"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:56", "text": "conditional in order to figure out what"}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "unconditional is and we're able to learn"}, {"start": "01:05:56", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "and live in the singularity of an"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "undivided world. And in that we can see,"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:08", "text": "we can feel, we can sense, and we can"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:10", "text": "[music] find a way into any situation if"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "we are aiming our intentions [music] to"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:15", "text": "be based in love. We then have"}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "compassion that all the great Eastern"}, {"start": "01:06:15", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "teachers [music] spoke about as a"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "gateway into this dimension and out of"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "this dimension to connect the continuum"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "once again. And we are able to be"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "self-loving at the same time. We are not"}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "excluding ourselves from the greatness"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "of what we can imagine and dream of."}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "We're allowing it to be true for us too,"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "not just for [music] other out there,"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:43", "text": "over there, somewhere, someday. But to"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "be right here with it and to allow this"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:48", "text": "love to be what collects in [music] this"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "body. And as a byproduct of that, it"}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "guides our thoughts and our imagery and"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "our ideas, our actions, [music] our"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "words, which creates a chemistry inside"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:59", "text": "our system that allows for"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "epigenetics [music] to receive"}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "information on the surface of our cells"}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "to produce more chemicals that [music]"}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:09", "text": "support our divine selves because the"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:11", "text": "embodiment of that divinity I feel is"}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "really best [music] expressed by the"}, {"start": "01:07:11", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "greatest love that we can imagine and"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "being available for even more of it to"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "stream through us every moment."}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:20", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:22", "text": ">> It allows us to rewrite our beliefs"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:26", "text": "about self and others. It allows us to"}, {"start": "01:07:22", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "step through the divisive uh gaps that"}, {"start": "01:07:26", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "have occurred in our cultures and that"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:33", "text": "have been imposed upon us in some sort"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "of non-conscious way inundated by the"}, {"start": "01:07:33", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "media in every form and the beliefs of"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "those that are speaking louder from the"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:44", "text": "bully perspective of needing to drive it"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "in their way. There's something that"}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "everything dissolves in. There's"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "something that is the universal solvent"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:53", "text": "that bonds us back together again in a"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:56", "text": "conscious and creative manner and I feel"}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:59", "text": "that that quality of energy is best"}, {"start": "01:07:56", "end": "01:08:03", "text": "described and experienced as a greater"}, {"start": "01:07:59", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "love. So, I think it's valuable maybe to"}, {"start": "01:08:03", "end": "01:08:07", "text": "to to blend [music] this into the mix of"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "what we're working with here today. If"}, {"start": "01:08:07", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "we're wanting to embody as the divine"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:15", "text": "self that we are and learn how to"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:17", "text": "express outward into the world. It can"}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "also be a tough love and it can be a"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "real clear love and it can be what"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:22", "text": "grandma did when you were jumping on her"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "furniture and she didn't want you to,"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "but it's all based [music] in love for"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:29", "text": "the greater good for all. So, I'll stop"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:31", "text": "there and see where you want to go. I"}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:32", "text": "get so passionate about this. So, uh"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:34", "text": "hopefully that's helpful."}, {"start": "01:08:32", "end": "01:08:36", "text": ">> Well, Sue, I love it when you talk that"}, {"start": "01:08:34", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "way and I learn something from you every"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:40", "text": "time every time I hear it. So, thank you"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "for that. And"}, {"start": "01:08:40", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "and and and indeed and and to kind of if"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:48", "text": "if if it's possible to wrap this this"}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:49", "text": "last part of our conversation into a a"}, {"start": "01:08:48", "end": "01:08:53", "text": "little beautiful wrapper, a little"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "heart-shaped box, I think we we we feel"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "the presence of the divinity flowing"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:09:01", "text": "through through you, Dr. Sue, and as"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:03", "text": "well as you, Greg, and and thank you for"}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "inviting that for invoking that, because"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:10", "text": "I I'm inspired to to to tune into to"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "this place because this is very much a"}, {"start": "01:09:10", "end": "01:09:14", "text": "time where we can invoke the presence of"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "divinity within ourselves, not through"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "the guru or through the workshop or any"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "of this. Not to take anything away from"}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:24", "text": "that, but to say yes to ourselves, yes"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "to our heart, yes to our souls, and yes"}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "to our"}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:29", "text": ">> collective indelible nature"}, {"start": "01:09:27", "end": "01:09:32", "text": "as divine humans"}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "that are in relationship not only with"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:38", "text": "free will, but divine will."}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "And I'm I was reminded while both of you"}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "were sharing"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:45", "text": "of our our late beloved dear friend"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "Barbara Marx Hubbard."}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:49", "text": "And Barbara spent much time right here"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:51", "text": "in my studio, [music]"}, {"start": "01:09:49", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "right here in this room."}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:56", "text": "We talked a lot about Sri Aurobindo. She"}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "That was really a great place of"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "connection with her. And then her"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:03", "text": "ultimate"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "dream and her ultimate vision of this"}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:07", "text": "time"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "that is now arriving and fully present"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "for each of us to step into this place"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "of our the noosphere, as she loved to"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "say,"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "and all her wonderful little ways of"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "sharing things. So, thank you both for"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:23", "text": "inviting the the the divinity of our"}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "lives, of our being into the presence of"}, {"start": "01:10:23", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "what we're sharing. And I it kind of"}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "answered what I wanted to check in with"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "you both on. So, I'm just going to kind"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:33", "text": "of roll it into a nice little wrapper"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "again."}, {"start": "01:10:33", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "And that is it it What I'm hearing from"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:41", "text": "both of you and where I certainly feel"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:44", "text": "in my personal life is that we are not"}, {"start": "01:10:41", "end": "01:10:45", "text": "simply people that are fit have a fated"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:46", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "01:10:45", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "existence."}, {"start": "01:10:46", "end": "01:10:53", "text": "That we have shown up at this time to"}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:56", "text": "embrace [music] the divinity as as part"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "of our co-creative ability to destiny,"}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:11:01", "text": "to creating that destiny individually"}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:03", "text": "and collectively. And I don't know if"}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:04", "text": "either of you have a thought on any of"}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "that, but I think we're really in the"}, {"start": "01:11:04", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "same place [music] that we are destined"}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:10", "text": "people if we choose to embrace our"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:12", "text": "authentic power."}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "Can I Can I chime in on that real quick?"}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:15", "text": ">> Brent. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "So, this is These are terms. Again,"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "words are important to me. Words are"}, {"start": "01:11:17", "end": "01:11:20", "text": "powerful."}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "When we talk about fate, [music] I think"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "the fate Our fate as individuals, as"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:28", "text": "families, communities, societies,"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:31", "text": "nations, as a planet, our fate is what"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "awaits for us if we do nothing in our"}, {"start": "01:11:31", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "time of extremes. If we allow this this"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "ball to just roll aimlessly, our destiny"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "is the fulfillment of our greatest"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "potential. And it is the result of our"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:49", "text": "choice to become the best version of"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "ourselves."}, {"start": "01:11:49", "end": "01:11:54", "text": "There is an an ancient battle playing"}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:55", "text": "out on our planet right now. It's no"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:11:57", "text": "secret to anyone listening, a"}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "fundamental battle between good and"}, {"start": "01:11:57", "end": "01:12:03", "text": "evil. And the beauty of us winning that"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:05", "text": "battle is you don't have to fight. The"}, {"start": "01:12:03", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "way we win that battle is to become the"}, {"start": "01:12:05", "end": "01:12:08", "text": "best version of ourselves when we"}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "embrace"}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "the fullness of of what it means [music]"}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "to be a divine being in a biological"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:19", "text": "body, we we have won that battle."}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "When I have this conversation, I had the"}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "opportunity, I went to the Grammys a"}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:24", "text": "couple of years ago"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "and had the opportunity to speak with a"}, {"start": "01:12:24", "end": "01:12:29", "text": "lot of musicians"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "about this very conversation. And it was"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "so really, really cool because every"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:35", "text": "single musician I spoke [music] with,"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:37", "text": "some of them had the awards, some of"}, {"start": "01:12:35", "end": "01:12:39", "text": "them were nominated, but they they"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "didn't actually get the awards. And I"}, {"start": "01:12:39", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "would ask them, \"Where did that music"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:45", "text": "come from? Where did the words of that"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "song come from?\" And Adam and Sue, every"}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "one of them told me the same thing. None"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "of them said it was from them. They all"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "said it came through them from something"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:13:01", "text": "else, somewhere else, some part of them"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:03", "text": "that they cherish and and that they they"}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "they love deeply. And it's the same with"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "artists and writers and musicians. So it"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "tells us that our biological body"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:14", "text": "is the instrument and and Sue said this"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "so beautifully that that you can think"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:20", "text": "of it as the antenna that tunes us"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:24", "text": "to the part of ourselves that is"}, {"start": "01:13:20", "end": "01:13:26", "text": "timeless, that is ageless, that is"}, {"start": "01:13:24", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "infinite. This is our intuition. So"}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:30", "text": "people think they don't have their their"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "divinity on board. It's it's your"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "intuition. When you get that intuitive"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "hit, when you get the words for the song"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:41", "text": "or the the impetus to rearrange the"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:43", "text": "house in a way so that you feel more"}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:45", "text": "sacred in your space. I just want to"}, {"start": "01:13:43", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "share as a scientist, there's science"}, {"start": "01:13:45", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "that supports this and there was an"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "experiment that was done recently and"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "this is it's kind of a mind blower."}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:54", "text": "Uh I think most people listening are are"}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:57", "text": "old enough to remember one of the first"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "computer games was called Pong, p o n g."}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:02", "text": "Very simple computer game."}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:04", "text": "Scientists began doing an experiment."}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "They have a petri dish"}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:10", "text": "full of neurons that are not connected"}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:14", "text": "to any biological body. They're just a"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:17", "text": "few neurons sitting together in a dish"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:21", "text": "and those random neurons are now playing"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "the game of Pong and teaching themselves"}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:25", "text": "how to become better better Pong"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "players. Where do they get the"}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "information to play that game? It's not"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:33", "text": "in the neurons. It's not in the cells."}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "Those neurons are antenna that tune into"}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "the part of the field that allow them to"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "have that experience [music] and this is"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "one of the first scientific experiments"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "showing that and you know, there are all"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "kinds of words. There's consciousness,"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "there's intelligence"}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "uh that come into to the conversation to"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:52", "text": "divinity."}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:55", "text": "The science of artificial intelligence"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:57", "text": "[music] is driving this conversation at"}, {"start": "01:14:55", "end": "01:14:59", "text": "light speed because to create the"}, {"start": "01:14:57", "end": "01:15:00", "text": "artificial intelligence successfully,"}, {"start": "01:14:59", "end": "01:15:01", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:03", "text": ">> scientists have to understand"}, {"start": "01:15:01", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "consciousness, they have to understand"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "intelligence, they have to understand"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "intuition, creativity, and they're"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "beginning to understand it doesn't live"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:13", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:17", "text": ">> in the cells. That the cells are the"}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "antenna that tune to something beyond"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:20", "text": "multi-dimensionally,"}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "inter-dimensionally. I love that Sue"}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "said all dimensionally. Uh, and and this"}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:27", "text": "is the way science and society come"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "[music] together. So, we are now"}, {"start": "01:15:27", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "learning from the scientific community"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:33", "text": "what our ancestors have [music] told us"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:36", "text": "for thousands of years that we have"}, {"start": "01:15:33", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "everything we need to thrive through the"}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "greatest change [music] in recorded"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "human history. And all it requires is"}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:46", "text": "for us to love ourselves enough to get"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "out of our own way and allow our"}, {"start": "01:15:46", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "divinity, allow our creativity, our"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "intuition, our imagination"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "to flow through us rather than relying"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:16:03", "text": "on chat GPT to do this for us or rather"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "than rely on a virtual reality visor to"}, {"start": "01:16:03", "end": "01:16:08", "text": "to play the reality for us where we're"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "not engaging our brain cells. We have"}, {"start": "01:16:08", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "everything we need."}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "The question is do we love ourselves"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:15", "text": "enough"}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "to embrace the deep truth of our fullest"}, {"start": "01:16:15", "end": "01:16:18", "text": "potential and we're answering those"}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "questions through every choice we make"}, {"start": "01:16:18", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "every day in our lives."}]

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She does"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "talk about my lab experiences that she"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "had. I went on a UFO tour and it's worth"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "every penny because she gives your money"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "back if you don't see one."}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Wait, so you saw something out there? I"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "saw a UAP craft, not a satellite. I know"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "what satellite trajectories look like in"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "the sky, but satellites do not traverse"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "the sky,"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "then turn around, loop around, go left,"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "go right, and then go back to its"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "trajectory again."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> And it was seen through night vision"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "goggles. Um, if you took the night"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "vision goggles off, you could not see"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "it. But with the night vision goggles"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "on, you can clearly see uh this"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "particular object which I consider to be"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "a UAP."}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": ">> And this is coming from someone who did"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "signals intelligence."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> Signals intelligence. Yes. And I had my"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "fair share of looking at electric"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "optical imagery uh collected by NRO as"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "part of my my job. So I knew that this"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "was not a satellite. Satellites would"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "tear itself apart doing those type of"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "maneuvers in space."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "Look at that."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": ">> We got the crash saucer."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> This is a cozy vibe. I like this a lot."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> Yeah. And these seats are damn"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "comfortable."}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> We're going to have John Ramirez."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:51", "text": ">> How long was he in the CIA?"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> 25 years."}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> 25 years"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> sitting in the hot seat tonight."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> We're [snorts] bringing up 2027."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> We're bringing up hybrids."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> There's no escaping, John."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> Have you seen anything like that while"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "you were working with the CIA?"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "uh only from the window of an airplane."}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "Um I was going to a UFO conference in"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "the summer of 2001. It was before 9/11."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "Um we were flying um across the US uh"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "from Baltimore, Washington International"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "to LAX. Um I was with my friend, another"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "CIA officer. We went to this UFO"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "conference on our own dime paying for"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "our own hotel rooms. So it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "anything official. And back then, United"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "Airlines allowed passengers to tune in"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "to cockpit communications. You can hear"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "a cockpit talking to the air traffic"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "controllers."}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:47", "text": ">> I didn't know that."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "across the southwest US, we were over"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "the southwest US, uh probably right over"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Arizona. Um the pilot reported that"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "there was an object uh traversing his"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "field of view, his path, flight path"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "from left to right in that direction and"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "that it was like an orange object going"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "very fast and I was sitting on the right"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "side in the back of the airplane. I"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "opened my uh window shade and looked out"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "and there it was a bright orange orb"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "receding uh in the background going"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "north. So we were going west east to"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "west from the east coast to the west"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "coast and this object was going due"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "north and I was thinking oh that's"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "interesting. We're over the southwest."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "What's north of us? Oh Nevada. Uh, the"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "pilot was asked by air traffic control"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "whether he wanted to report it. And of"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "course, back then, no, that's okay."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "We're not reporting. After Tucson, we"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "hit the road for a 6-hour drive through"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "the desert. [music] Our destination for"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "the evening was Joshua Tree,"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "where we all took part in a small group"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "[music] meditation before bed."}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "Lots of meteors [music] satellites. And"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "as for this little thing,"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> that was nuts. [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "That got so bright. Wa."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": ">> I'm recording [music] it."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": ">> I You know, your guess is as good as"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "mine. It could just be a rotating piece"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "of [music] space debris for all I know."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "But whatever. It was still fun to see."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "It was the next day and it was time to"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "get on to our next destination. But"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "before we did that, I wanted to visit a"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "place known only as giant rock [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "in the middle of the Mojave Desert."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "Nothing for literally miles. And then"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "all of a sudden, this massive rock,"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "7 stories tall, 6,000 tons of granite,"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "and for years, it was the largest"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "freestanding boulder on Earth."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "Well, a German prospector named Frank"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "Kitser got there first. He dug himself"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "an apartment underneath it, 400 square"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "ft of home under a boulder."}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "And sadly, his story ends well pretty"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "tragically. You see, in 1942, deputies"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "come out to question him about, you"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "know, being a German in 1942,"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "and there ends up being a standoff, and"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "Critzer dies in an explosion under his"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "own rock."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "Now, enter George [music] Vanasel. This"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "guy is an aircraft guy. He worked for"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "Douglas, for Hughes, and in 1947, he"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "moves him and his family out to Giant"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "Rock, takes over the little airirstrip,"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "opens up a cafe. August 24th, 1953, 2 in"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "the morning, George says a man walks up"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "to him."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": ">> The man got off of the ship and"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "approached me before I even knew there"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "was a ship down."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> Where were you then? What time of day or"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "night was it?"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": ">> It was 2:00 in the morning and uh"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "approximately a full moon, which is like"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "daylight on the desert. And uh I asked"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "him what he wanted and he said my name"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "is Sandanda and I would be pleased to"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "show you our craft."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": ">> Was this the guy who gave you the"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "formula for the time machine?"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": ">> That's the man."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": ">> And what form did the formula take? Did"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "he implant it in your mind by telepathy"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "or did he give you something written in"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "English?"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": ">> He spoke it to me verbally"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:34", "text": ">> and you remembered this."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> There's nothing to it to remember."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> Well, you tell me now. The formula for a"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "time machine"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> f= 1 / t."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> F = 1 / t. F being frequency and T being"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "time."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": ">> Now, if I came to you with that story,"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "you'd tell me I'm out of my mind. But"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "here's the thing about George. He told"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "everybody and people came. He started"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "the Giant Rock spacecraft convention."}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "First one saw a couple hundred people"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "and by the late 50s 11,000"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "11,000 people. And the machine, well, he"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "ended up building it. It's now known as"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "the Integratron."}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "It's 45 ft across, 38 ft tall. He spent"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "18 years and every dollar he had. He"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "died in 1978, just weeks [music] before"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "it was finished. And I think Josh, you"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "told me this was referenced in the raw"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "material. I believe they asked if there"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "was any point in completing this because"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "it's not finished. It was built and kind"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "of just left. I can't remember quite"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "why. and RA came back and basically said"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "the time for what it was originally"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "built for has passed and that it's"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "almost like irrelevant at this point in"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "the timeline. It's still standing out"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "there. Unfortunately, it was closed when"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "we came by, but this thing normally"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "houses sound baths and meditative"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "retreats and you can just go sit inside"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "it, but nobody to this day really has"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "figured out possibly the true potential"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "of this place. Who knows? It remains a"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "mystery. Next stop is Los Angeles,"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "California, where I'll be interviewing"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "Daryl Anka, otherwise known for"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "channeling an extraterrestrial being"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "named Bashar."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:12", "text": ">> You've had your own encounter in 1973."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:14", "text": ">> Two."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> Two, actually. Yes. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:19", "text": ">> So, these triangular crafts,"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> right? Exactly. Uh, first time about 150"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "ft away. Second time only about 70 ft"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "away in broad daylight with witnesses."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "Thank goodness both times. Um, black"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "equilateral triangular ships, blue white"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "light on each point, dull red orange"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "light underneath. First time we were"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "driving down into the valley from West"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "LA and it was hovering over a hotel in"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "the distance. And at first I thought"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "this was a helicopter or a plane or"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "something, but then we realized it"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "really wasn't moving. It was just stock"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "still. And as we drove past it to go on"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "the interchange, it moved from one side"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "of the freeway to the other side of the"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "freeway, which is now on my left again"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "cuz we're moving around in the other"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "direction. And then it just took off"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "over the valley like it was riding on a"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "sheet of glass. It was the strangest"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "motion I've ever seen because even a"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "small airplane just kind of, you know,"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "like wobbles through the air a little"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "bit. This was just like it was pulled on"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "a string. And we were all excited about"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "having seen something like that cuz you"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "know we've heard stories of UFOs but"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "when you finally see something like that"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "it changes everything. And then you know"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "we kind of like were all excited and"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "kind of got over it. But a week later"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "when one of the friends was with me"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "again we were in West Los Angeles. We"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "were stopped at a stoplight on a major"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "street and again either exactly the same"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "craft or an identical one flew at about"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "70 ft above the intersection and went"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "over the neighborhood. And we were like"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "looking at each other like what's going"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "on? Are we being invaded? What's"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "happening? And so on a whim, I decided"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "to just follow it. So I turned right."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "She was leaning out the window riding"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "shotgun and she was basically telling me"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "where it was because I was trying to"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "keep my eyes on the road. There were a"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "lot of trees in the neighborhood and we"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "would lose it now and then. So she would"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "go, you know, turn left, turn right,"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "it's over there, it's over there. And I"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "did my best to follow it. And at one"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "point, we just completely lost sight of"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "it. And I on a whim, I just decided, I'm"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "just going to make a hard right. And I"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "did. And she yelled, \"Stop.\" I stepped"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "on the brakes. We both looked out the"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "window and this thing was hovering just"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "70 ft above the car. We're staring at it"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "and then it just shot up into the clouds"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "in the blink of an eye. No sound,"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "nothing. And we got out of the car."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "We're looking around trying to find it."}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "It was gone. The weirdest thing, the"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "most surreal thing is there [music] was"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "no one in the neighborhood. No one"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "watering their lawn, no one walking"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "their dog, nothing. It was like this"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "thing had happened just for us. And so"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "from that moment forward, I realized,"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "you know, reality is not what I was told"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "it is. There is some other level to it"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "here. Something's going on because what"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "we had just seen, we were all was told"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "didn't exist. But there it was in broad"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "daylight, as close as you could possibly"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "imagine for something like that. A real"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "machine in the sky. So from that moment"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "forward is when I started doing the"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "research to find out what was going on"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "and ultimately led me here to do"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "channeling."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:25", "text": ">> Yeah. I had uh looked up your journey."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "It was like a decade later that you"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "discovered [clears throat] channeling"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "and then you uh you were interested in"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "finding out how that worked and you"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "attended a seminar and"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:35", "text": ">> Right. I had read a few books on it like"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "the Seth material and stuff like that. I"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "knew what channeling sort of was, but uh"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "um a particular channel who was"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "conducting seminars um at one point when"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "I had gone to listen and done so for a"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "few months and thought this is really"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "interesting information, the channel"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "offered to teach a channeling class and"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "I didn't understand how channeling could"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "be taught. I just everything I had read"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "was like well it just sort of hits you"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "like a bolt out of the blue and you you"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "lose consciousness and then people tell"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "you you've been talking for two hours"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "and then you wake up and go what what"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "was that you know but so I was curious"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "to see what this process was and what"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "they did was a series of guided"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "meditations and the entity that the"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "person was channeling is actually"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "teaching the class so we're in these"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "guided meditations for about 6 weeks"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "into the course and then I received In"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "the middle of this meditation, what I"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "can only describe as just this download"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "of memory and information of I"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "understood the UFO had been shown to me"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "on purpose to get me to start doing the"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "research I needed to do. I remembered"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "having made an agreement before this"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "life with Bashar to do this channeling"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "because these things are set up before"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "the incarnation. And the me I saw an"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "image of his face. I heard the word"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "Bashar. I didn't know what that meant"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "exactly. And"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "the message that was there was now it's"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "time for you to begin to do this if this"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "is something you still want to do. Now"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "all this literally flashed into my head"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "in a split second. I didn't say anything"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "to anyone. But the minute this happened,"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "the entity coming through the channel"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "stopped talking to the class and turned"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "to me and pointed at me and said,"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "\"There's an entity here for you right"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "now if you're ready to begin.\""}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": ">> Wow. And I opened my eyes and I was a"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "little shocked and I looked around and"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "one of the classmates behind me somehow"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "had picked up on the image that I saw of"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "Bashar's face and she was sketching it"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "on a piece of paper. So I said, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "okay. There's two outside validations"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "that something's going on here. It's not"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "just my imagination. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "hallucinating. It's not a side effect of"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "the meditation. Something real is"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "happening.\" And that's what made me"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "think, okay, I'll keep practicing and"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "see where this goes. I did well enough"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "that the teacher asked me to co-ch the"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "next class with him. And during that"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "class, a woman came named Margot who"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "wanted to do a doctoral thesis paper on"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "the connection between channeling and"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "psychology. And I became one of her"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "subjects. I would go to her house. I"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "would channel for her few friends. She"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "would sit in her chair and take her"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "notes and write her paper. Well, words"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "started spreading. People made"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "recordings. They started sharing them."}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "And so the crowds every week that we"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "were doing this started growing and"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "growing and growing. We had to do it"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "twice a week to accommodate everyone. We"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "had to do it in more houses to"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "accommodate everyone. People started"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "sharing the tapes and I got invited to"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "different cities to do it, different"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "countries to do it. And here I am more"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "than 40 years later still. This show"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "like Tucson ended up selling out and we"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "had such a great time. Hire some actors"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "to play the Men in Black and the Gray"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "Alien which ended up being a huge hit"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "with the fans. Uh this is where uh a"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "machine comes in, transports the humans"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "to go where to where they need to go"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": ">> like in a ship powered by human blood."}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": ">> We also integrated some live interactive"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "moments during the show thanks to Yoni,"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "one of the show's producers. This"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "included mini games, questions for the"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "guests, trivia, and much, much more. Now"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "that that was done, time to pack up and"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "head to San Francisco to meet up with"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "another co-host as well as our guest,"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Whitley Strieber."}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "This place was so impressive, adorned by"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "massive Greek pillars, I thought it was"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "a most fitting [music] venue to welcome"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "Michael Phillip, a Greek philosophy"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "connoisseur and host of the Third Eye"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "Drops podcast. I think the idea of"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "interacting with higher non-human"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "intelligences was something that was"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "completely taken for granted by our"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "ancestors. Not only like in the Greco"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "Roman culture, though I am I am fond of"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "that one. [music] I mean in native"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "cultures in in the from east to west it"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "doesn't matter. The idea that we were in"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "this giant ecosystem of intelligence is"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "seen and unseen was just like totally"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "taken for granted by these cultures. The"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "muse, the don gods, whatever. like the"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "idea of course our minds are submerged"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "in this larger ecology of intelligences"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "and beings and I think we've badly"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "degraded our imagination around these"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "things over the course of millennia for"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "for a ton of different reasons but I"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "know you don't really like the term"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "non-human intelligence but I kind of do"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "like it because it it opens up the"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "pallet so much in terms of this what"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "this paniply of intelligences could me"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "and and I think to a degree we need to"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "return to this worldview to some extent"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "there can be a lot of ulterior motives"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "with words like god or angel or demon"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "right it people are trying to trojan"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "horse an entire worldview and whole"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "narrative onto you when they use those"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "words sometimes so I share or alien man"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "like I mean it's"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:51", "text": ">> there's a very specific version of that"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "whole narrative that I'm very suspect of"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "because it can be used to manipulate"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "people's minds, right? Like whether it's"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "Project Blue Beam or some like religious"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "agenda, right? But I still think we do"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "need to go in those directions to get"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "closer to truth. But but it's a very uh"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "windy booby trap laden path, you know?"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "Well, I mean, I think the idea of what"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "beauty even is, what these structures"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "are, what they represent, like the the"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "geometric and mathematical rules that"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "underpin all of these things. Like all"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "of those were considered to be these"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "sacred transmissions. I think at the end"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "of the day, we still don't really know"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "what's going on like with the with the"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "phenomenon or how it could or could not"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "be connected. I really do think we do"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "need to bring back the idea that we are"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "in an ecosystem of intelligences and"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "many of those intelligences are higher"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "and potentially something we're"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "interacting with all the time completely"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "ignorantly of."}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:54", "text": ">> Do you think that we are currently"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "deciphering the UFO topic much like"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "people are still trying to decipher a"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "lot of these allegorories?"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": ">> Yeah, for sure. And and I think some of"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "the allegorories still fit incredibly"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "well when you project things like the"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "phenomenon onto them. I mean, as you"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "know, one of my favorites is Plato's"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "Cave, right? And I think there's a a"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "very obvious version of of that, like"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "how how those two things fit onto one"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "another, the phenomenon in the Plato's"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "Cave story. essentially this idea that"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "we're living in this lower dimensional"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "slice of reality and there's truly a"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "much deeper grander truth outside of"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "this cave or matrix of experiences of"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "the physical world that we think that we"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "live within. Um you know they're only"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "shadows on the cave wall in the in the"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "allegory. Um and I think honestly that"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "this is what the physical world is is"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "like shadows on the cave wall of our"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "psyches. Well, what's happening here is"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "this. For better or for worse, these"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "things are happening all around the"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "world now. People are waking up to this,"}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "especially in the first world. And it'll"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "spread and deepen over the years and"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "enter into our belief systems and our"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "cultures and our societies in thousands"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "upon thousands of different ways. What's"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "happening is very simple. Mankind,"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "humankind is becoming a cosmic species."}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "We will be projecting into the stars"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "and into other levels of reality over"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "the next few generations"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "if we survive. And that's the open"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "question always with every species."}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "Everybody has a chance. Everybody comes"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "to this point and everybody"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "comes to this razor's edge that we're"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "on. And it's a great place to be if you"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "can balance on the edge of a razor."}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "If they show up in numbers, it will"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "redirect our whole attention toward them"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "and we will stop going on our own"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "journey, innovating and discovering on"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "our own. and [music] that's not what"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "they want. So I think that their direct"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "contact with us is going to be as"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "careful and judicious as it is [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "possible to be and certain people will"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "be in on many different levels will be"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "in contact. [music] There are people in"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "the government I'm I know and quite sure"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "are in contact. Uh people on the outside"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "are in contact. I'm not the only"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "experiencer who's had this [music]"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "experience and is in contact, but I"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "think that there will always be a level"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "of question for everybody, even the"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "people who are in contact. Uh because if"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "there isn't a level of question, then we"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "lose our sense of innovation and we and"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "they're not interested. We become"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:55", "text": "supplicants."}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "They also it's a there's a sink or swim"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "level to this too because you know a new"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "world if you can take it was said to"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "Phil Corso and that's the defining"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "reality of contact can we take it we got"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "to pull this out of their hands we got"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "to shake them until they for till we"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "force them to give us what we want and"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "they will not give us anything on a"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "silver platter uh I'm in the space of"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": "working with the public uh what they"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "happens with the government is fine. I"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "don't do that. I, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "fascinated by it, of course, but it's"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "not my my part of in this. My part in"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "this is to take people to the point"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "where they say, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "what the heck's going on here?\" That's"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "where I want people to [music] go. Not"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "to say, \"Ah, that's nonsense.\" But to,"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "\"What the heck is going on here?\" And"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "then I want them to take it from there"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "on their own and go where they want to"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "go and need to go. I don't want to tell"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "them where to go. I'm not a teacher. I"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "am a um more of a more of a catalyst is"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "what I try to be."}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": ">> Very well put. Um lastly, Widly, I just"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "wanted to thank you. You know, being"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "here today with all these people in the"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "crowd, it it isn't lost on me that a lot"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "of this is attributed to you and your"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "story and what you did for the world and"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "in terms of helping experiencers come"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "forward. It it was massive. And to this"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "day, people I interview um from all"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "across the world reference seeing the"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "cover of that book and that changing"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "their lives. So this tonight is in big"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "part thanks to you. So I wanted just to"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "thank you."}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:37", "text": ">> Well, you know, thank you. I I have to"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "tell you, if I had known that when I was"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "starting this out, I don't know what"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "would have happened. My wife knew. She"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "knew from the beginning exactly what was"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "going on. She was amazing. But she kind"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "of kept it to herself and I I just went"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "out there and did what seemed right."}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:56", "text": ">> We talk about disclosure and we kind of"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "lump it all in like disclosure, aliens,"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "UFOs. It's all this one thing, but I"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "kind of see it as like there's this"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "government disclosure and there's kind"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "of characters within that realm. And"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "then there's kind of like historical"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "eupfology that's always been there and"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "there are some so many great stories"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "that that have out, you know, they"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "outdate this government disclosure by a"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "long long time. And I feel like people"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "who are maybe newer since like the last"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "10 years into this topic see that as all"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "one thing. But I feel like as people"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "begin to get more and more maybe like"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "discouraged and losing faith in the"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "government side of things,"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "they're going to realize that there's"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "actually there's two different sides to"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "this. And when that fatigue happens,"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "they're going to realize that they don't"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "need the government to tell them the"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "aliens are real or that we're not alone"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "or whatever it is that they're looking"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "for because there's enough sort of"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "anecdotal evidence and testimony and"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "just a wealth of stories that you can"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "kind of put the pieces together yourself"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "and it might not be that concrete answer"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "that they're looking for, but it's"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "enough to give themselves confirmation."}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "And that's where I think it's going to"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "go. I I mean I would love for the"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "government to come out and tell us all"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "the things we want to hear, but I don't"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "have too much faith in it."}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": ">> Next stop was Portland, Oregon, where we"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "would add my friend and memory champion"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "Nelson Delos to the list of co-hosts."}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "And we're about to surprise the audience"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "with our next guests. I've always wanted"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "it to be real that there are aliens or"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "something else out there. And I've"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "always thought there was. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "My mom had a experience"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "um uh with a phenomenon when she was"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "when my my sister was a baby and she'd"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "tell that story all the time and have I"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "ever told you that story?"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:46", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": ">> She was um we lived in England at I"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "don't think I was born yet. Uh and so my"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "sister my sister's 2 years older so she"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "was still a baby in like an infant chair"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "in the backseat of a car. My mom was"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "driving home. We lived in England at the"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "time and if you've been to England,"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "which you [music] have um you know their"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "streets like that, yeah, they have"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "highways, but their normal streets are"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "very dark. Um there's no like street"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "lights. You they're winding roads"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "through forests and stuff. Very common."}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "And she was driving home one evening in"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "the dark, pitched dark, you know, in"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "winter where it's like dark at by 4. And"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "um yeah, suddenly just a bright light"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "right above her. And you know, I always"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "asked her like, \"Mom, could it have been"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "a helicopter, a plane?\" She's like, \"No,"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "there's we [music] lived out of nowhere,"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "you know, middle of nowhere.\" And that"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "light was so bright. It was right on top"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "of me and it stayed with me for like 5"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "10 minutes. And I was terrified. I had"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "this feeling of um like unease. She said"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "the radio was static and like her watch"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "stopped. Um, and she she like never"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "wants to talk about it cuz there's this"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "like the the feeling it gives her. Um,"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "and then it disappeared. But yeah,"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "anyways, I would love to I loved hearing"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "that story. I always try to get more out"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "of it like were you abducted? What was"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "what did the time say? You know, like"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "when you stopped and but she could never"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "give me much more than that. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "anyway, so it's it's been something I've"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "been fascinated with for a long time."}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "Um, and then I had those experiences"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "with uh remote viewing and kind of out"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "of body and and just tapping deeper into"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "my mind also because of the memory"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "stuff. And I don't know, I just feel"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "like there's more out there. And the"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "more you believe in that, the UFO stuff"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "doesn't seem so impossible anymore."}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "Knowing you and you telling me all these"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "stories, I don't know the whole history"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "like you do and all the different cases"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "and how crazy they get. I've also heard"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "stuff from you that I just think I don't"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "know. I don't I don't know if I believe"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "that. So, um you've taught me to be very"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "kind of I'm I've always been skeptical,"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "but you've taught me to kind of be just"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "hear it all. Survey the landscape and"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "pick out those um commonalities, you"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "know, and the commonalities there's a"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "lot, you know, that at the very basic"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "level are there. And so if you just take"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "that um I think it's very clear that"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "something's out there. We tend to"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "remember things that are out of the"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "ordinary that are [music]"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "not of the norm out there bizarre"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "emotionally striking. So an experience"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "like that uh is filled with all of that,"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "right? Just probably the wonder, the"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "fear, the excitement, um the novelty."}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "Are you remembering the actual"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "experience? Are you remembering the"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "story that you tell? Right? And"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "inevitably when you tell a story, we"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "talked about this that you're trying to"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "bring the person into the story. [music]"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "And to do that, you have to you'll"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "naturally I don't want to say embellish"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "cuz that sounds like you're purposefully"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "making it false, but you do want to try"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "to give the person you're telling the"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "story to the feeling that you had. And"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "that requires"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "storytelling, [music]"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "drawing out explanations and inserting"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "details that might over time kind of"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "grow and and fluff up uh to something"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "more than it was. I I I know if I if I'm"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "honest with myself and some of the"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "stories that I've told, I'm sure um with"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "the experiences I've had, they probably"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "aren't as accurate as um I now remember"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "them to be the story. So, you have to be"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "careful with that. Um, and I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "every experiencer,"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "um, there's always going to be an"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "element of truth. Well, not always, but,"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "uh, in the honest ones that are really"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "telling a story of something that"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "happened to them, there's going to be an"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "element of the truth, but you always"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "have to be skeptical and and obviously"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "take everything with a grain of salt,"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "every little detail."}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:49", "text": ">> Wanted to get your take. You know, we're"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:51", "text": "in Oregon. Um, this state is known for a"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "lot of sightings. It has the McMinnville"}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "UFO Festival. It has a a real sort of"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "like collective effervescence around"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "this topic where you know people feel"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "the sense of community around here and"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "now with this show that we're bringing"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "here. What does it mean to you to be a"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "part of this in a way that"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "isn't so serious? It's good to see that"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "the attitude has changed. I mean, people"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "are accepting the fact that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "hey, maybe all this is real and that"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "really wasn't that really wasn't the"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "line of thinking back in the 80s. So,"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "it's it's good to see that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "but I'm kind of a reluctant participant,"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "you know. Like I said, I was I don't"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "follow UFO lore stories or anything"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "along those lines, and I certainly"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "didn't believe in any of it before, you"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "know, getting the the job. But um it it"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "is good to see the attitudes changing."}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:50", "text": ">> Now, I'll be posting this entire show on"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "the channel soon, so stay tuned for"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "that. And if you want to see all the"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "behindthe-scenes shenanigans of the"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "entire tour, you can join the membership"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "here on YouTube or on Patreon for just"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "$5 a month. You'll get early access to"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "every upload, access to our top secret"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "section on the Discord, as well as"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "weekly update videos on upcoming and"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "past episodes. Now, Oregon has a pretty"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "important role as far as UFO history"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "goes. You know the words flying saucer?"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "Well, that was actually born in"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "Pendleton, Oregon."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": ">> Later, when asked by a reporter to"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "describe how they flew, Arnold said"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "their motion was like saucers skipping"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "over water."}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:31", "text": ">> June 1947, Kenneth Arnold tells a local"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "reporter what he'd seen over Mount"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "Reineer. And within a day, the term is"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:39", "text": "everywhere on Earth. And then in"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:41", "text": "McMminville 1950, a farmer and his wife"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "look up, grab a camera, and take two"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "photographs that ran in Life magazine."}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "And nobody has ever fully debunked them."}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:50", "text": ">> Can you tell us a little bit about the"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "McMill one? Do you know anything about"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:55", "text": ">> Well, more about the shape of the craft"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "that always fascinated me. And it's got"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "this um it's it's it's it's a looks like"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "flying saucer in a way. doesn't have the"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "it's flat on the bottom and it has a"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "looks like an antenna on the top with a"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "type of a sphere kind of an antenna and"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "it's crooked. It's like angled"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "and I found that to be very interesting"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "based on some of the information that"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "you know I retrieved from Bob throughout"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "the years. And you think about the sport"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "model had a waveguide terminator which"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "is like this little antenna on top of"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "the craft. A lot of people draw antennas"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "on the craft. Even the kids at Aerial"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "drew uh an antenna on the craft. And"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "here's this craft that had is it and"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "it's on an angle."}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "It's it's tilted and the antenna is"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "tilted, which"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "almost makes sense if you really know"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "the science, a little bit of the science"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "behind it. So, we took liberty at a"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "certain point when we were building S4"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "and there was, you know, Bob saw a whole"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "bunch of a whole bunch of adjacent hang"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "anger doors open, a whole bunch of"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "crafts, but he didn't really get to see"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "past the two the two, but there was"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "other ones he says, I couldn't tell. So,"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "we had to create have creative liberties"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "and put anything further away. So, when"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "our VR experience comes out, the fifth"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "hanger has the McMinnville UFO in there."}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:21", "text": ">> so right now currently it's in the"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "movie. You just can't see it."}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:23", "text": ">> You can't see it, but it's there."}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:24", "text": ">> But it's there."}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:27", "text": ">> It's there."}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Just for fun because we thought if"}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "we have to create our own designs, why"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "not use some that people saw? So, we"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "even have the one from Falcon Lake in"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "there. Yeah. Yeah. We have one from"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "Falcon Lake. We have the McMinnville."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "And we have another one. I can't"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "remember which one it was, but there's"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "three known UFOs that are further out"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "there. I say this to you all the time."}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "To [music] me, it's like the best"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "outcome I could have seen in my lifetime"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "at this age where I'm still, you know,"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "knock on wood, healthy enough to go"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "around, hang out with friends, talk"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "about it, and it's no longer taboo, at"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "least in many [music] new circles. And"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "it's like there's there's people"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "interested, people asking questions."}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "Curiosity is growing, but in a positive"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "way. The questions are not to trap"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "people, but inquisitive questions to"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "inform people, which is a completely"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "different thing. You used to get a lot"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "of I want to catch your lie questions."}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "Now it's I want to know questions, which"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "is so different. The ' 80s and the '9s"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "was such a different time. Now I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "this is great. and you know, hanging out"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "with you and hanging out with all the"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "people that you brought together and all"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "this, it's just freaking awesome. So,"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "after signing some posters and taking"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "some photos, it was time to pack up and"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "head to Seattle. Shout out to Andre"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "Ingolstad, who helped me shoot this next"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "segment. Funny story, he was actually"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "the guy who sent in his triangular craft"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "video, which was featured at the"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "beginning of one of the episodes that I"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "made about triangular crafts. I'll leave"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "his Instagram below where you can follow"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "his page. He sailed across the Atlantic"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "in a pirate ship and captured some"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "really amazing sites. In Seattle, we"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "welcomed forensic anthropologist Dr."}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "Michael Masters. I sort of saw a lot of"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "skepticism,"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "um, some dismissal [music] and a ton of"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "ambivalence for a long time. People just"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "kind of like, see what you're doing over"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "there, don't want any part of it, just"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "going to ignore it. Um, I kind of"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "challenged that in my institution"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "specifically cuz I taught a 300 levelvel"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "UFO class like not how psychologists or"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "society sees UFOs, but this is real."}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "Came in day one. We're going to talk"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "about this. Posters all over campus."}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "It's on the books and um kind of forced"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "a lot of people and the administration,"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "my academic colleagues to be at a point"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "where they can't ignore it anymore. And"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "the class went super well. Um, [music]"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "my administrative assistant said I had"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "the highest student evaluation score"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "she's ever seen. [music] Um, the"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "students loved it. Word across campus"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "spread. I've been asked if I'm teaching"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "that class again probably 50 or 60 times"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "[music] since. Um, and yeah, like the"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "administration's been supportive. uh"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "went on Rogan in December and that kind"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "of made its way through the vice"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "chancellor, chancellor, dean and uh"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "despite talking about a ton of weird"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": " with them, they kind of accepted"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "with um some level of skepticism the"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "reality of the phenomenon and what we're"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "talking about. And I think to answer"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "your question, it's really been"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "legitimized a lot over the last 5 to six"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "years. [music]"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "um especially since 2019 with the New"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:51", "text": "York Times article, people testifying in"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "front of Congress under oath obviously"}, {"start": "00:37:51", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "had a lot to do with it. [music] And"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "then things like this, things like what"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "you're doing, going out being public"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "with this and in [music] digital form in"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "person, just really um normalizing the"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "topic. I think that's the biggest part"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "of this."}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:10", "text": ">> Are you going to pursue this more on an"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "academic side? Are you looking to do"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "more personal study into this topic or"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "are you like, \"Hey, I've laid my cards"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "out. You guys make of it what you will?\""}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:24", "text": ">> Um, a little bit of each of those. After"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "a year and a half, I just finished the"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "audiobook version of my novel, which was"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "kind of the third piece in this puzzle"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "for me. There's like a hard science book"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "that's been called Dense by a lot of"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "people. One that brings the science in,"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "but it's more stories. [music] It's more"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "readable. And then this novel is just"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "kind of a up journey through time"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "but appeals to a different audience also"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "bringing that science in in different"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "ways. So there's that side. Um I'm also"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "collaborating with a number of academic"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "colleagues at Harvard, Ohio State. Uh"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "RZswan Verk is one of our co-authors on"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "a paper that we just started writing uh"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "two weeks ago. We just had a meeting"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "over Zoom. So I'm still doing the"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "academic articles. um almost exclusively"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "with regard to the phenomenon or things"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "tangentially related to it. [music] Uh"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "unfortunately my main biological"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "anthropology research has taken a back"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "seat. Um but I feel like there's so much"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "going on with this question. It's"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "potentially one of the biggest questions"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "of our time. So I'm obviously willing to"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "put my time [music] into that and put"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "some of these other things on the back"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "burner for a while. So, it's a good mix"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "of things that bring me joy doing things"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "like this with you. Um, [music]"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "just having fun with science fiction and"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "really trying to get"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "this question and discussions about it"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "out [music] in academic journals,"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "peer-reviewed journals, and really bring"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "this conversation to the scientific"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "masses."}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:58", "text": ">> You spent a lot of years teaching. Has"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "has there ever been an overlap for you"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "in an academic sense with a student or a"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "peer where you've engaged with sort of"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "talking about the phenomena?"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:12", "text": ">> Um, not UFOs or UAPs or aliens"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "specifically, but definitely, you know,"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "I've gone into mind stuff. Uh, my memory"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "of course always peaks its head in cuz"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "I'm teaching them. So, I use my"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "techniques and eventually some student"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "looks me up and like, \"Oh, you I watch"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "your YouTube videos. It was amazing. I"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "learned how to memorize this.\" And so,"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "then I sometimes at the end of the"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "semester or when appropriate, I'll do a"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "lesson on memory. And a couple"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "semesters, I even did some remote"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "viewing um when we had extra time. I"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "didn't explain what I was doing, but I"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "did some little classroom tests where I"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "I brought in a box. I had an item in a"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "box that I chose at random from my home"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "and I was just like, \"All right, guys."}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "Everybody, piece of paper. We're going"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "to try a little mental exercise. Has"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "nothing to do with class right now, but"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "um you know, it's a fun little um"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "reprieve from our uh you know, studies.\""}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "And then I just see who would get that"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "got the closest or if anything would"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "come up and of course that led into like"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "Nelson, why are we doing this? And I'd"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "have to explain kind of this whole"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "thing. So we sometimes would spend a"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "lecture just talking about that part of"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "the phenomenon,"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:19", "text": ">> remote hearing and sigh studies."}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:19", "end": "00:41:24", "text": ">> Did you ever how how was the interest"}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "level there? Cuz I I feel like hearing"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "um Dr. Masters talk about it"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "like the stigma doesn't exist with them"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "as much as it it exists with us or our"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "generation."}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:39", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. I'm very I was very"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "hesitant to do that uh in those classes"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "but then I did it twice and and both"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "times different [music] semesters. Both"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "classes were really engaged. Um had tons"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "of questions even more engaged than some"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "of my other like actual lectures for the"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "class. Um, and I've had a few people"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "come up to me and be like tell me their"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "stories and that they had some weird,"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "you know, coincidences or"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "synchronicities or, you know,"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "premonitions and things like that. Um,"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "we never got into UFO type stuff, but"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "um, they were definitely open to it more"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "than I would have imagined um, the"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "topic. Yeah. Do you see a future where"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "there are classes like the ones that"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "Michael taught or perhaps like a remote"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "viewing, [music] you know, lecture done"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "in an academic sort of prestigious,"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "you know, institution? Is that something"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "that you see happening?"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:38", "text": ">> Yeah, I I think so. And then I was"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "talking to Michael about it last night"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "cuz I said I was a professor and I I"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "even have tried to create a course, a"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "memory course, just a memory"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "fundamentals course which would be"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "immensely helpful for any student. Um,"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "and you can kind of find uh survey"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:57", "text": "classes about memory and it sometimes"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "delves into memory techniques. Like in"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "psychology courses, they usually have a"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "course where they talk about memory"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "methods, but it's not like a a practical"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "tool building class. But anyway, so I"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "I'm a bit familiar with trying to create"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "a class um and you know, bring it to the"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "people who need to approve it. and he"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "was saying like, \"Yeah, when I came up"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "with the idea and brought it to the"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "dean, I mean, he's the chair, so he kind"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "of already has a bit of a an advantage.\""}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:26", "text": "Um, at this in this age, they can't"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "really say no. You know, it's all about"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "being inclusive and and open. Uh, so"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "that kind of I think has it going for"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "it. Um, so I could see more of that"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "coming to light. I mean, I would love to"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "I don't know if I would say, \"Hey, we're"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "going to do a remote viewing class.\" But"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "definitely something even if I worded my"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "memory workshop course, whatever, um, as"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "a little more mind cognitive training, I"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "could slip that in there. [music]"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:54", "text": ">> And right before hitting the stage, I"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "decided to perform some magic and"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "comedy."}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:02", "text": ">> All right, Tom, have you ever seen magic"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "this close before?"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:05", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:08", "text": ">> You haven't? Have you ever seen magic"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "this close before?"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:13", "text": ">> I don't think so. Okay, good. All right,"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "that's a good thing. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "um, [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "sounds weird, but was this in your was"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "this your browser history recently? Was"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:26", "text": ">> Who you here with?"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:27", "text": ">> I'm here with my friend Chris."}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:29", "text": ">> Your friend Chris? Oh, maybe it's Maybe"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "it's Chris. Maybe Chris's browser"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "history."}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "There's a there's a a Z in here."}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:44", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:49", "text": ">> I think I think I know what this is. Z."}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:49", "text": ">> There's an E."}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:50", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:50", "text": ">> there's a B."}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:52", "text": ">> An R."}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:52", "text": ">> An A."}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:54", "text": ">> I think I all I think we all know what"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "this is. On the count of three, I want"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "everybody to say it. One, two, three."}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:04", "text": ">> All right. Not the word I was picking"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "up."}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "It was a different word."}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "All the like a half the audience in"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "stitches cuz I I'll tell you on the ride"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "home."}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:18", "text": ">> But all of this was just to set up a"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "very special surprise."}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:24", "text": ">> I do want to try one more thing here."}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "But I I need a couple."}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "Any couples in the house?"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "This guy up here will go up in the"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "second. Yeah. You with the hand up. Yes."}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "You. Yes."}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "Give it up for this couple. Come on,"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:38", "text": ">> Megan. Nice to meet you. Megan, step"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "right this way. And thank you for"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "joining me. And you are?"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:42", "text": ">> Troy."}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:44", "text": ">> Troy. Nice to meet you, too, Troy. Here,"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "Troy. Stand right here. Megan, do you"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "mind? I have a blindfold here for you."}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:53", "text": ">> Okay. Can you see anything, Megan?"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:53", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "[cheering]"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "[applause]"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:07", "text": ">> Megan. Megan,"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "will you be my forever partner?"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "The one in my darkest hours and my"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "brightest [music] moments. Will you be"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "my human until my body falls away?"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "You are the closest person [music] I've"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "ever known. Once I saw those beautiful"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "giant eyes, I knew [music] our lives"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "would be intertwined."}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "Will you marry me?"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:31", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:35", "text": ">> [cheering]"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:43", "text": ">> Thank you so much. Congratulations."}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "Congratulations."}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "this beautiful couple. Come on."}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "[cheering and music]"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "So amazing. Right this way, guys. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "you just [music] made my night. Thank"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "you. Enjoy the show."}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "I feel like I was just as nervous."}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "Would have been a totally different show"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "if she said no. The vibe would have just"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:33", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:41", "text": ">> Now, I don't mean to get sappy, but it"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "isn't lost on me how truly lucky I am."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "And I'm grateful for that. [music] I'm"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "grateful for this wonderful community,"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "for the friendships I've forged and the"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "knowledge I've [music] acquired,"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "the places I get to visit and the"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "stories I get to hear. Seeing people"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "outside of chat groups and online feeds"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "makes you really remember how much fun"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "this human experience can be."}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "And one more thing, will there ever be"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "another Desert Blast?"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:08", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> There will absolutely be another Desert"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "Blast."}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:15", "text": ">> Do you think u because that's probably,"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "you know, it's one of the most badass"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "things I've ever seen in my life."}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:22", "text": ">> It's a It's a great time. Actually,"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "Luigi's been pushing me to [laughter] to"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "make that happen. So, but yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "there's absolutely going to be another"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "Desert Blast, and it's going to be"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "awesome. Out of control."}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:34", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:35", "text": ">> Like if you poured gasoline on Burning"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "Man is like"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:37", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:39", "text": ">> Is Yeah. We were going through some"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "photos, you know, uh just the other day"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "and and seeing some of the explosions"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "that you guys had and everything like"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "that. Do you think like doing uh a"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "Desert Blast today would be possible"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "like you did it back then?"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:53", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I've already got it laid the"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "plans laid out. There's Yeah, it's a for"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "sure thing."}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:57", "text": ">> Can I get a ticket?"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, you're you're going. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:00", "text": ">> All right. I'll take up any more of your"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "time. I'll keep you there. Thanks, Bob."}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:04", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "Heat. Heat."}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "[music]"}]

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She uh"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "lived in a two-story real small"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "apartment and she her bedroom was"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "upstairs and we knew"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "uh that she would be taken uh during a"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "time period."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "So this is a multi-pronged, multiaceted,"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "multi-ep [music] departmented"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "sting operation"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "in order to capture this. Yes, that was"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "successful. There were some that"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "weren't, but that was what was"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "successful. That's a fact. 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As I jumped, I suddenly"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "became aware that the air seemed very"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "silent. I also had a strong experience"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "of weightlessness and [music] extreme"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "forward momentum, more than the last two"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "jumps. I came down at a dead stop on"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "both feet, feeling almost zero"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "gravitational influence. Tracing my"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "[music] steps back to the stop sign, I"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "counted over 30 steps. 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It's a big"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "weird world."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> Ladies and gentlemen, today we are"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "joined by none other than Richard Dodie,"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "former AFOSI officer."}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Um, you've got quite the history, good"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "sir. You've got a lot um in your past in"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "terms of euphology and your relationship"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "to it, whether it's in a formal capacity"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "or an informal capacity, whether that's"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "uh a hobby or a job. uh your name is"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "pretty uh you know I would say pretty"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "prominent in this topic. Uh so I first"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "of all want to thank you for joining me"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "today."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": ">> Thank you. Good to be here Chris."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "for those people out there uh wondering"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "you know who I'm sitting with, they they"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "might be familiar with you. They might"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "have seen your face somewhere. Whether"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "that's Ancient Aliens, whether that's a"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "Netflix documentary or um even some"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "other documentaries that have come out"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "in the past. Um, you're a recognizable"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "figure to those of us who who know uh"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "about the UFO topic. Uh, but to those"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "who don't, how would you introduce"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "yourself?"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "Well, I I'm a former Air Force OSI"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "special agent, counter intelligence"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "officer within the Air Force Office of"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "Special Investigations and um I started"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "that career back in the 70s."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "uh worked in uh some controversial"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "issues uh primarily the Paul Benowitz"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "case. A lot of the um UFO historians"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "uh know about that case uh whether they"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "want to uh criticize me for it uh for"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "what I did in it, but I did it in"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "accordance with uh military regulations"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "and uh I worked in the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "community up till 1988."}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "From there I left uh the government"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "service. Uh I worked for the state of"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "New Mexico for a while and then I worked"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "for Dr. Putoff uh at the Institute for"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "Advanced Studies for 12 years"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "and then sometime in the um mid"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "uh probably 2010 or 2015 I started uh"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "coming on programs and um talking about"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "what I did during my time in counter"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "And then uh in 2018 I was hired by a"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "Gaia and I have over 220"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "episodes on Gaia. I also have about 18"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "episodes of the Dodie Chronicles."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "Uh I've been on uh Ancient Aliens, a"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "number of different other UFO programs"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "uh talking about my past experience in"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "the subject of UFOs or investigating"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "them. So that's who I am and that's what"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "I've done in the past."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Thank you so much for that. Uh"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "incredible pedigree. Um there's there's"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "a lot there. There's a really colorful"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "history um across these last I would say"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "almost 40 years."}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "you I I want to start somewhere because"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "we had a guest on recently, Mario Woods,"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "who you're familiar with. um who you've"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "actually met for the first time in 1977."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Um you know, and it wouldn't be until"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "decades later uh that that would be"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "brought up again. And Mario was a guest"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "here just a few short weeks ago and we"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "actually tried to get you and Mario"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "together and it didn't work out timing"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "wise. Um, but Mario had a really"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "interesting"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "encounter to say the least, not only"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "with uh what appeared to be a giant"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "craft, uh, but also the beings aboard"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "that craft and then afterwards was"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "subsequently debriefed for like 5 hours"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "and interrogated and he had to, you"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "know, write down exactly what happened"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "and all of this. But during that"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "process, there was a sort of medical"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "exam or sort of physical examination"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "that took place. I OSI officers uh"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "namely uh yourself and someone else and"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "you if I'm not mistaken were that you"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "were just coming into that sort of space"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "uh if I'm not mistaken that would have"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "been quite new for you."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> Yes, I was on a temporary assignment to"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "Ellsworth Air Force Base and something"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "entirely different. It was a espionage"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "investigation"}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "and while I was at the OSI office, uh"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "Mario, the incident with Mario occurred"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "and I was asked by the chief uh of the"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "detachment commander at uh Ellsworth, uh"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "a guy by the name of John Bris Boy, uh"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "to go to the base hospital and pick up"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "records uh for a Mario Woods, Sergeant"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "Mario Wood. So, I did I went there. I"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "brought him back. Uh when I brought him"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "back to the OSI office, Mario was there."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "I walked into the interview room to give"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "uh the the medical files to uh Jack"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "Green, who was the OSI agent"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "investigating this incident. And um I"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "stood there in the room uh while they"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "were talking to uh Mario. Before this, I"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "had no idea what the incident occurred,"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "but I as I listened to this, I I became"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "more intrigued by it. And so"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "I was I I probably stayed in there 40 45"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "minutes or so. I don't know exact time."}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "I left and I had to do some other"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "things. Then I had to go and do what I"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "was there to do. But I came back and"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "they still had Mario in there. Now my"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "timeline uh I think it would have been"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "probably about 10 hours of in"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "interrogation."}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:44", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:45", "text": ">> Rather than the four or five uh because"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "when I came back now there might have"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "been a break in between but they were"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "still uh going after I mean they weren't"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "going after him but they were"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "interrogating."}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "Uh there's a difference uh real quickly"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "uh in um in counter intelligence or in"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "any any uh type of investigation whether"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "it's criminal or or espionage or or"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "anything else. You you interview you can"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "be doing an interview or you can be"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "doing an interrogation. They're they're"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "different. An interview is just"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "obtaining the information uh relaxing"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "the uh target the person that you're"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "interviewing. Interrogating is you're"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "trying to force that person to give you"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "information that they don't want to give"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "you"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:33", "text": ">> or they might not remember it. And when"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "I the second time I went there, they"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "were interrogating"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "Mario."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": ">> They were grilling him."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:42", "text": ">> They were grilling him on what he did or"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "what he saw. And apparently at some"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "other time they had the second uh Air"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "Force security policeman who was with"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "Mario because there was two of them in"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "the pickup truck and they had him in"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "another room. I never went in that other"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "room so I'm not sure what they did or"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "how they interviewed him but I I saw"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "them interrogating Mario and based on"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "what I remember then and then jump ahead"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "you know 40ome years. Um what Mario said"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "and what happened is is factual factual"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "because the OSI report later which was"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "classified"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "uh considered it an actual incident. So"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:24", "text": ">> really"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": ">> yeah that"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": ">> you you had access to that obviously."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": ">> I had access to that. Yeah. And I've had"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "conversations with Mario. I've been on"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "some other podcasts with him and I I"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "believe everything he says. Um he might"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "have um got some things um"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "uh or not wrong but he might have"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "forgotten some things because there was"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "a time period that he uh might have had"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "a uh missing time link in in when the"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "incident first happened."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> Six hours."}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. I thought it was more"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "than that, but it was six hours. And so"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "what happened during that time peri you"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "know only the aliens know."}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Sure. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Them and u you know perhaps"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "Michael Johnson as well. Who did you"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "meet with him? Were you debriefing him"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "as well? Were they interrogating Michael"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "Johnson at the same time?"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": ">> Michael Johnson was in another room. I"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "never had access to Michael Johnson."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": ">> He was pro at that point. He was like"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "catatonic as well. He wasn't really"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": ">> Well, as as I understood, he had been in"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "the hospital. He had they had"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "transferred somebody went over. That"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "wasn't me. Somebody went to the base"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "hospital and picked him up and brought"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "him to the OSI office. I I I don't know"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "if it was an agent or the ambulance or"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "or I think I think it might have been"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "their supervisor, the security police,"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "the 44th missile security squadron was"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "in and I think it was somebody within"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "that uh squadron, a captain or somebody"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "brought him there. But again, I didn't"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "have any uh contact with Michael"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "Johnson, only Mario."}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "And during this time, Mario had also"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "said that he was um in and I believe if"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "I'm not mistaken, this was done by the"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "OSI officer, that they felt around his"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "mouth."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "Do you remember him saying this?"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:15", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": ">> And that they were looking for something"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "in his mouth. They spent a substantial"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "amount of time, several minutes, feeling"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "around the inside of his mouth. Can you"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "tell me why that is?"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> As I understood, he had when he was"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "examined"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "at the base hospital,"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": ">> he was examined first by uh the"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "emergency room physician who I I don't"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "remember what his specialty was, but"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "normally it's just a general"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "practitioner and then um"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "he said something to them at the"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "hospital that OSI was interested in of"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "of what his voice how his voice changed."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "And I think that's why again I I wasn't"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "there and I can't say for a fact but I"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "believe they thought he might have had"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "something implanted into his mouth or"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "his throat and that's why they checked"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "it first at the emergency room and I"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "believe later there was a uh maybe a"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "specialist I ears and throat doctor that"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "that saw him but the OSI office they"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "were looking for something in his throat"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "that might have been implanted in there"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "That's the That's what I got out of it."}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": ">> Implanted by whom?"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> By whoever took him. Maybe the"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "extraterrestrials. I I I don't know. But"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:33", "text": ">> is that part for the course? Is that"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "something that they've run into before?"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "That's why they were checking it out."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "now, let me go back a little bit."}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:43", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> During this time period, I was not"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "briefed into any special programs."}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": ">> No, this is before."}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": ">> This is way before. Two years before. So"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "I I had no idea about any of this about"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "uh abductions or about uh implants or"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "anything like that."}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "Uh years later when I was all was when I"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "was briefed into everything, I I"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "realized that the extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "in in order there were occasions uh"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "where or incidents"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "uh where they had placed something in"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "the the body, the mouth, the throat, the"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "nose"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "uh in order for the extraterrestrials to"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "better communicate with the human. Now,"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "I don't know how that worked. Uh there"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "are specialists uh Dr. Green and and"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "others uh can can explain that. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "a doctor, so I can't explain uh why or"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "how they did that or or but I know that"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "there were um at least two cases that I"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "know of. A woman uh that had had an"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "abduction, an Air Force, a sergeant, she"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "was in the Air Force. She was uh"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "abducted and they had placed something"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "under her tongue. And this was done"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "during your time."}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "Yes."}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:15:59", "text": ">> Do we have her name or is that"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "currently?"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": ">> Uh that's that's pretty much classified."}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "She's she's a whistleblower right now uh"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "listed in in in in Congress. So she if"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "she comes out and speaks um"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:19", "text": ">> Well, no. Yeah. And there's going to be"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "a u um an awakening so to speak in uh"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "the difference between a friendly"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "and a non-friendly extraterrestrial. Uh"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "because she went through the horrors of"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "abductions from an hostile"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "extraterrestrial."}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": ">> Really"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "is. Do you think that that is I want to"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "talk more about this a little bit later,"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "but do you think that that is perhaps"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "her perception due to this forceful sort"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "of kidnapping uh that one would"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "make uh a being who might be neutral"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "seem sort of more malevolent uh because"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "of the nature of you know we're looking"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "at something from another world looks"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "menacing. you know, they're perhaps"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "pinning her down. Like, we don't know"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "the real reason why this would happen."}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "Do you think that there's a Because when"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "someone says hostile"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "um but then has a chip implanted and is"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "let go,"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "you know, like we are also hostile to"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "dolphins,"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "but that doesn't mean we want to kill"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "the dolphins and take over the dolphin"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "world and like, you know, you know what"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "I mean? And so, do you think that might"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "just be her interpretation of the event?"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "It could very well be because number"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "one, we have no idea"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "uh what these extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "uh intent is in abducting a human being"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "uh to get information or to get DNA or"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "to get samples of their their fluids or"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "or whatever. So, um they're alien to us"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "and we're alien to them."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "uh they might have to use techniques"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "that we can't even imagine to get"}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "information from a human. And so you're"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "right that that could very well be uh"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "that's just the way they operate."}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:17", "text": ">> Now she she's alive. They didn't kill"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "her. Uh she's recovered."}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "but so but the her case what stands out"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "to me is her case has been uh thoroughly"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "I mean thoroughly thoroughly"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "investigated"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "by the government not just AFOSI but by"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "other agencies within the government."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": ">> What other agencies?"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:46", "text": ">> Uh the intelligence community. I'll just"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "leave it at that. There were techniques"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "because of her abductions. There were"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "techniques developed"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "from her abductions that were collected"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "by US intelligence that I can't talk"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "about that can prove her case. Wait, so"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "there are certain things that happened"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "to her that they now use to see if other"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "cases are legitimate?"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:10", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": ">> Does that have to do with like physical"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "mark markings?"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "Yes, that and some um trace um traits"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "that um the I got to be very careful"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "here. The traits that the abductee"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "um shows"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "that can be traced to something else"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "and and based on that there was"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "something developed by the intelligence"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "community."}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "to number one determine whether the"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "person is actually telling the truth and"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "number two uh and the counterpart of"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "that is protecting the the target and"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "that was developed years later. It"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "wasn't developed during her time, but"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "based on what she went through, uh the"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "intelligence community and uh"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "contractors"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "uh developed something that can protect"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "a human from a particular type of"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "abduction from a particular"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "extraterrestrials. Now you got to"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "understand this."}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "We one of the main problems uh the"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "public has uh is uh that they group all"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "extraterrestrials into one group, one"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "one one category. You can't do that. Um"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "during my time I knew of and I have them"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "here a list of them of of of um the"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "extraterrestrials that um we knew"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "existed that we had contact with. Okay."}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "and so they're all different. Number"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:52", "text": "one, they're all different bi biologics."}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "They come from different planets."}, {"start": "00:20:52", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "Their body structures are entirely"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "different."}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "So you can't group their brains are"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "different. So you can't group all"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "extraterrestrials into one category."}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": "That's why when you uh when we talking"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "about an abduction of of of a of a human"}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "by an extraterrestrial,"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "it depends on what extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "doing that and what they're gathering"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "and and and how they're doing it and"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "what type of thoughts or what type of"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "type of techniques or or uh gadgets"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "they're putting into those those humans."}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:35", "text": ">> So when the government creates something"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "a counter to counter it there. It's only"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "going to work on that particular"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "extraterrestrial. It's not going to work"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "on anyone else. Then again, um I can't"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "go into great details because I kne I"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "knew some more information about this,"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "but there lot"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:52", "text": ">> of like other species."}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:56", "text": ">> Yeah, other species. And a lot has been"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "developed beyond my time. And I I don't"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "want to go into anything uh that might"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "uh disclose something I'm not supposed"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "to talk about. So, I'll just leave it at"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:07", "text": ">> Sure. I mean, super interesting that"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "there's protocol on a sort of"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "anti-abduction"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "uh process. Um, well, when I was working"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "on uh MNA Hansen case and and you know"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "who MNA Hansen is, that's part of the"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "Paul Benitz case."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:29", "text": ">> Uh, when when um Leo Sprinkle and Alan"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "Heinik brought her to us, I had no idea"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "anything about abductions. I didn't know"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "that they were real. I I I wasn't ever"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "briefed into it. I did a report and sent"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "it to headquarters and a week or so"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "later, two DIA agents came down to"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "Kirtland to the OSI office. I was told"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "that, hey, I two visitors out here want"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "to see me. You know, they were cleared."}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "I brought him in. They said, yeah, we"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "want to talk about the MNA Hansen case."}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "And I said, okay. I said, who are you"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "guy? What what branch are you with? And"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "he one of them tells me we're with this"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "particular branch. I said what does that"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "involve? He said abductions. We"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "investigate abductions. And I said the"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "DIA has a branch that investigates alien"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "abductions. He said yeah. The DIA."}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "So I knew then. He said, \"You mean"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "you're not briefed into this particular"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "special access program?\" I said, \"No.\""}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "Well, I got briefed into it and then I"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "realized that uh this has been going on"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "for years. They take it very seriously."}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": ">> This is 1980 and these guys are taking"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "it seriously and this unit within DIA"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "has been around"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "for for years now. DIA remember only"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "came in existence in 1961. So, I thought"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "I didn't say anything to them, but it"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:56", "text": "piqued my curiosity as wait a minute,"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "these things must be real then,"}, {"start": "00:23:56", "end": "00:24:00", "text": ">> cuz I didn't think that Ma I mean, I"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "interviewed MNA Hansen, but"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": ">> I just thought she was some she was"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "psychologically unstable or something."}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "Sure. I mean, the DIA is also known to"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:11", "text": "be involved in like a lot of trippy"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "subjects, including Stargate, including,"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "you know, taking on all of the uh the"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "work at SRRI that they were doing and"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "and and that type of thing. Do you think"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "a lot of that is still within the DIA"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "specifically, or is that been also sort"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "of branched out into contractor hands?"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "I think that's it's being still"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "controlled by DIA,"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "but I feel that uh it's been contracted"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:40", "text": ">> Yeah. Mo most things have been I would"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "assume."}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:42", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:45", "text": ">> For you know to remove yourself for any"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "plausible deniability that the"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "government might want or should want in"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "these uh scenarios. Um which does bring"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "a question to mind as well. So when you"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "were when you were working on the Paul"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "Benowitz uh case,"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "first of all, the decision to"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "uh sort of implement misinformation or"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "inject information in a counter"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "intelligence capacity uh due to you know"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "seeing uh advanced tech and and and"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "covering that up. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "how was that decision given to you? Were"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "you brought in a room and briefed? Were"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "you given uh was this in writing? Was"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": "this verbally? How was that given to you"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "to to take care of this?"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:38", "text": ">> Anytime there's an operation or a"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "project within uh OSI or intelligence"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "community, there has to be an"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "operational plan."}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "When the case first opened, the Paul"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "Benwitz case first opened, uh I would do"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "a report and send it to headquarters and"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "it would go through CIA to DIA and then"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "uh they would send back uh uh a"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "operations plan or"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "a um a list of things that I need to do"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "to prepare an operations plan or to get"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "more information. And in particular Paul"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "Binua's case, they sent back and saying,"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "\"You need to do this, this, this, this,"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "and this.\""}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": ">> And what was this, this, this, and this?"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:22", "text": ">> Go out and get more information on him."}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "Uh, find out uh neighbors, uh, do a what"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "we call a local agency check. Uh, and I"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "did all those things. There probably 10"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "things I did. I did a report, sent it"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "back up there, and then we got on the"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "phone, uh, we call a KY3 phone. was a"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "secure uh phone system where we"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "discussed the case between me, my boss"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "and headquarters and they decided okay"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "we need to do this operational plan"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "which was developed up there sent to me"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "and here's what I had to do and the plan"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "was followed and so the disinformation"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "or the misinformation"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "uh was all planned at headquarters. Uh"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "that's"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "what they told me to do. I did what I"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "was told to do. Sure."}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:16", "text": ">> And and so that's that's how that goes."}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:18", "text": ">> So was that stuff Did it feel to you"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "like they had done that before?"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": ">> Oh, I know they've done it before"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "because I've been involved in other"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "operations where they've done it. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:29", "text": ">> I see. So this was kind of protocol on"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "how to deal with this scenario. Now, was"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "that to deal was that only for people"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "who saw"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "um sort of"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "technical advanced vehicle testing? Was"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "that like the protocol or was there more"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "than one protocol to deal with that? Was"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "there a story, a script that you guys"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "had to follow? I'm very curious about"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "how you guys went about, okay, somebody"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "reports a sighting. Do you instantly go"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "into, okay, we investigate this and then"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "if it was us doing advanced tech stuff,"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "then we have this cover story that we go"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "in with or was every case taken case by"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "case? Like, how was that filtered? Every"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "case was was different. Yeah, it depends"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "on who did who saw it. The target we"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "call uh and uh what the circumstances"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "were uh behind their sighting. Uh and in"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "Paul's case, he was taking pictures of"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "something uh that was flying over the"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "base. Um and it was a highly classified"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "program, a drone program. It was the the"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "Air Force's drone program that was in in"}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "its infancy stage."}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "And the way they uh tested these drones"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "was they would fly a plane. Uh it could"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "e be a C130 which is propeller driven or"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "a uh RC135 or RC 137 which were like a"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "707. They would launch these drones from"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "the plane and there would be a"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "controller"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "controlling but the plane had to be in"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "close proximity to these drones. Well,"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "Paul was taking pictures of these"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:12", "text": "objects flying around this aircraft,"}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "these aircrafts, and he assumed that"}, {"start": "00:29:12", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "they were UFOs. They were"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "extraterrestrials."}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "And so, uh, it was so the in order for"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "him,"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "um, to not be become involved in the"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "classified program, we had to convince P"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "that yeah, he was seeing UFOs. But it"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "seems like he was already convinced of"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "that. Like why not just let him believe"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "it was UFOs and ignore it entirely?"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:44", "text": ">> Well, we did. We do. I would go in and"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "number one, Paul was involved in Apppro,"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "which as you know what that was. Uh he"}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "was an investigator, field investigator"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "for APRO. Um the infancy stage of Muon"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "was there. Uh he was a believer in UFOs."}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "He's had an experience uh with a UFO on"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "a picnic once with his family. So he he"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "was a believer. And so when I went in to"}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "talk to him and he told me what he what"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "he did and what he saw, uh he and he was"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "con trying to convince me they were"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "UFOs. All I had to do was say, \"You know"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "what? Bo, I think they are. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "think they are flying saucers.\" He would"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "use the word flying saucers, not UFOs."}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "And I and and that's it. That's all I"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "had to do. I didn't have to sit there"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "and and interrogate him or or brainwash"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "him or anything like that. He was"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "already a believer and it was very"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "simple to just agree with him."}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:41", "text": ">> Yeah. And to to do the opposite would"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "have been going against direct orders."}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:44", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "[sighs]"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "H Yeah, it's that's an interesting uh"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "position to find yourself in. Um at what"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "stage during your career was that"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "particular incident beginning? How many"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "years in?"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:00", "text": ">> Uh about three and a half or four years"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "in."}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": ">> And how many cases had you covered"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "similarly before that?"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:15", "text": ">> UFO related. Um, in 1979 we had a case"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "or early 80s, late 79, early 80s, we had"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "a case at at Kirtland involving"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "a a sighting in a a highly classified"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "area of the base. A Sandia National"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "Laboratory's security guard. Now, Sandia"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "was a contractor on the base. The"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "security guard was civilian uh had an"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "encounter with a UFO that landed on the"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "base. I was the case agent that went out"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "there, investigated that. Before this, I"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "was not briefed in anything to do with"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "UFOs. So, I took the report, I"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:49", "text": "investigated it, I came back to the"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "office, I submitted a report through my"}, {"start": "00:31:49", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "through my boss to headquarters."}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "Headquarters came back and said, \"I need"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "to be briefed into this particular"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "program.\" And not is called NQ. Um, so"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:04", "text": "my boss says, \"You need to go. we're"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "going to get you a briefing. You're"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "going to need to go over to the uh uh"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "Air Force Special Security Office, which"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "is on the west side of Kirtland Air"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "Force Base, and get a briefing. I said,"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "\"Okay.\" And now I've done that before on"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "other matters, but nothing to do with"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "UFOs on on espionage or something other."}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "So, I did. I went over there. I sat uh"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "went in a room. There was some other"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:33", "text": "people, a colonel, Air Force colonel and"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "a and a and a civilian briefed us on"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "United States invol United States"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "government involvement with the"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "investigation and contact with the with"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "extraterrestrials from 1947."}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "And that's the briefing. It lasted"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "several hours. They showed us film. Uh"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "they showed us some documents."}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "Um we took it all in. Uh"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:57", "text": ">> you say we how many people were there?"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "There were I don't remember exactly uh"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "10 maybe not OSI agents, right? I was"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "the only OSI agent in the room. The"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "other people in the room were"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "intelligence people or or some other"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "people that had a need to know were um"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "were the other people in the room were"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "some of them also civilians? Like were"}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "these academic types or contractors?"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "There's no shortage of creativity on"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "this channel as you've probably noticed."}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "Uh we churn out some of the highest"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "quality productions in terms of podcasts"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "weekly and it is fun but it's also a"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "grind and we don't always have time to"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "attain that Spielbergesque level of"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "production on a weekly basis. Uh it's"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "nearly impossible but we do manage and"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "that is partially due to the help of"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "Higsfield Cinema Studio. See, we use"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "Higsfield in pretty much every single"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "production that we do. And whether it's"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "really subtle things or whether it's"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "recreating something, but you can also"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "use Higsfield in very creative ways like"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "I can have it rain in my studio right"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "now or I could teleport myself into"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "a UFO."}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "There's no shortage of ideas. It really"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "is uh limited only by your imagination."}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "And if you want to check out how to use"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "Higsfield or if you're curious at all, I"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "left the link in the description. Thank"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "you to Higsfield for sponsoring this"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "video. Some of them were contractors."}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "Sandy National Laboratories, a couple of"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "them were with Department of Energy. Um"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "I think there were some civilian uh uh"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "scientists within the Air Force Weapons"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "Laboratory there. Um, I'm just guessing"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "because I don't know exactly,"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> but I was the only OSA agent."}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> Anybody with like longer hair than they"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "should have."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:42", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay."}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:45", "text": ">> Um, yeah. They would hire some"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:47", "text": ">> Yes. some kooky scientists back then."}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:51", "text": ">> And all sorts of trippy folk looking"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "into this stuff. But so you're you're"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "given this briefing. This is really"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "fascinating. Uh, now in this briefing"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "you mentioned, okay, there's footage,"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "there's photos, there's documents."}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "Did you ever get the sense as someone"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:08", "text": "who's never stepped foot into this that"}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "this has got to be baloney? Like what"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "they're what they're telling me here,"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "this can't be real. Uh did you or anyone"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "in the room get that sense or were you"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "all just kind of taken aback of what you"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "were seeing?"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": ">> Well, I had no conversations with any"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "anybody else during this uh briefing and"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "we had a break period too. I I it was"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "several hours. Um well I never we never"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "had any briefing because it was"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "classified. We left to go to break room."}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "It's on a classified area. You can't"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "talk about classified information. We"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "were not in a skiff when when this"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "briefing occurred. Uh but yes absolutely"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "because after this briefing was over"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "with, I had to drive from there back"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "over to the OSI office which was on the"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "east side of Kirtland Air Force Base 7 8"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "miles. Uh, I pulled into a parking lot"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "of of some some uh unit on base and sat"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "there and trying to digest what I just"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "heard and my skepticism was way up here."}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "I thought, is this a psychological"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "operation they're pulling on us?"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:10", "text": ">> You thought that? Oh, absolutely. I I"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "was"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:16", "text": ">> in fact I was always somewhat of a"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "skeptic in the subject because growing"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "up my brother was a UFO. I didn't"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "believe any of that stuff. Uh but e even"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "in the regular air force when I was"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "wearing a uniform in the regular air"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "force there was occasions of people"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "talking about the subject. I would not"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "believe anything they were talking"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "about."}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "Jump ahead to at to sitting in that"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "parking lot. I thought this can't be"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "real. I mean the crash in Roswell uh"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "crash at Kingman. Uh, we saw a film of a"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "crash site."}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "It's all made up. So, I get back to the"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "office."}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:54", "text": ">> Before we get back to the office, that"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "film on the crash site, can you"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "elaborate a little bit which crash site?"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:01", "text": ">> It was the Roswell crash site."}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:02", "text": ">> That was the Roswell crash. Uh, the one"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "in Corona."}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:08", "text": ">> The run one in Corona. It showed the"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "craft. It showed uh bodies"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "outside the craft like on a dirt mound."}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "And um it it showed a recovery area"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "where there were tents uh military tents"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "set up. Uh there were uh military"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "personnel in uniforms, army uniforms."}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "This is 47. Air Force hadn't existed"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "quite yet. Um there were um"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "debris that they apparently had taken"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "out of the craft and and set on tables."}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "Um the there was a narrator. Now none of"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "the uh people in the the the t the movie"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "or film we're talking uh the there was a"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "narrator an army or a military officer"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "narrating what we were seeing. Uh"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "obviously that narrator"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "wasn't there. I'm sorry was something"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "that was added later."}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:11", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. But uh it was a looked to me"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "like a legitimate film. The beginning of"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "the film showed it was classified. Um"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "and so that's that's what the film was."}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "Now they also showed a second uh"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "recovery site in Kingman, Arizona. And I"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "I think it was 53."}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:29", "text": ">> And they showed it the craft and they"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "showed uh two two bodies"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:31", "text": ">> similar bodies."}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:36", "text": ">> Uh no, they were different. They looked"}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "different. And recovery. Now in 53 there"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "were Air Force personnel around the the"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "the recovery truck said United States"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "Air Force on it and so that's some of"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "the what I can remember in the film. H"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:49", "text": ">> how are you how are you allowed to talk"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "about this?"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:52", "text": ">> It's all unclassified now."}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:53", "text": ">> That's unclassified."}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:56", "text": ">> That is unclassified."}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:57", "text": ">> So what happened to the footage?"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:38:58", "text": ">> Good question. Where's the footage? I"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "mean, if it's"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:04", "text": ">> Congress Congress wants that footage"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "footage. Um, the Air Force gave him some"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "things but didn't give him everything."}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "Now, I would love to know what all that"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:15", "text": "footage is. And and that's just that's"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "just two of probably 40 or 50 different"}, {"start": "00:39:15", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "crash sites that we know about."}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:17", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:23", "text": ">> Could we as I mean there's probably been"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "several attempts to foyer that briefing"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "or those documents that were available"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "in that briefing. How much success have"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "people found in trying to retrieve some"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "of that? What you saw?"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:31", "text": ">> I tried."}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:35", "text": ">> Yeah, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:37", "text": ">> I tried myself and I got uh the they"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "can't confirm existence or non-existence"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "of the material that I requested. So,"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "it's not going to be released because"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "it's it's but I've talked about it. Many"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "other people have talked about it. Uh my"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "NDA expired in 2002. I started talking"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "about it after 2002."}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "There were only during during 2002 and"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "2020 today"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "as we talk in 2026. Uh there's been two"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "occasions where I've been visited by FBI"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "agents who told me that I said something"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "on camera that I shouldn't have said."}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "And I said and I knew at the time I"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "actually knew that I shouldn't have said"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "what I was saying because it was still a"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "special access program in SAP. Yeah. But"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "I said it and I tried to work around"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "what I said and I did I I did I did a"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "poor job of that. And then the second"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "time it was a document that I'd given to"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "somebody that had uh some classified"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "information on it. Uh and I can assure"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "you that stuff isn't that's been out on"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "the internet for years. Um that uh I"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "shouldn't have given them."}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:47", "text": ">> They're that quick to pick up on it."}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "Huh. They're fine tooth combing"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "everything. like this interview will be"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:54", "text": "under scrutiny, you believe?"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:41:00", "text": ">> Absolutely. Every single episode I've"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "done for Gaia and and only uh the at the"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "beginning when I first started working"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "at Gaia uh the first uh probably"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "10 episodes, nothing. the 11th episode"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "we talked about something and I did uh O"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "FBI didn't come but OSI contacted me by"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "phone and I knew a I knew the guy uh he"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "was a he was a a civilian we had a lot"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "well civilians in OSI you know we we and"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "he went he left OSI and came back as a"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "contractor which and within intelligence"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "community it happens all the time"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:41", "text": ">> sure you're never fully Exactly. And he"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "called me and he said, \"Richard, how you"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "doing? I saw your episode on Gaia and I"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "want to ask you a few questions.\" And I"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "said, \"Yeah, what do you need?\" He said,"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "\"Why the hell did you mention this,"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "this, and this?\" I said, \"It's"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "unclassified.\" He said, \"No, it's still"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "classified.\""}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "I said, \"It is?\" He said, \"Yeah.\" I"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "said, \"Well, I assumed.\" He said, \"You"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "don't ever assume because you know"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "assume you make a you know.\" And I said,"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "\"Okay, well, I guess I'm going to get"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "visited.\" I never was visited. And this"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "was in 2018, probably. Yeah. Early or"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "late 2018. Nobody ever visited me, so I"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "assumed it's not classified anymore. I I"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "talked I saw him at a UFO convention a"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "year later, 2018, at at uh"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:28", "text": ">> What was he doing there?"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:30", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "they're always there."}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:35", "text": ">> Um in fact, in that particular one,"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:36", "text": ">> which which one was it? 2019 at"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "Laughlin."}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:40", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:42", "text": ">> Um there were three uniform Air Force"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "officers in the audience."}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:43", "text": ">> Uniform?"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:45", "text": ">> Yeah, they were in uniforms."}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:45", "text": ">> What's that about?"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:47", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:48", "text": ">> is that for show?"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:51", "text": ">> For show, I guess, or they were trying"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "to intimidate the crowd. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "But um I w I didn't notice him uh right"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "off the bat, but uh uh one of uh I think"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "it was uh Robert Dean"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "uh cuz Wendle was dead by that time, but"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:09", "text": "Robert Dean was was there and Robert"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "Dean came up and he said, \"Hey, what's"}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "what's with the uh blue suitors out"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "there?\" I said, \"What do you mean?\" He"}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "said, \"There's two captains and a and a"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "uh senior master sergeant out there.\""}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "I said, \"Okay.\" So, I went I saw him. I"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "went up to him. I'm a blunt guy, you"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "know. I come up to him and I said, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "uh, you know, I'm I'm Richard Dodie and"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "and they said, \"Well, we know who you"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:39", "text": "are.\" I said, \"Uh,"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "you guys here on business?\" The captain"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "is was the one that was speaking, the"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "female captain. Uh, and I never knew I"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "didn't know her before this. And she"}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "said, \"Uh, yeah, we're here just"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "interested in the subject. Is there a"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "problem?\" I said, \"No, absolutely not."}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "Uh, you're more than welcome. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "whatever you want, cuz there's no"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "classification in this briefing.\" She"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "says, \"We'll decide in that later.\""}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:01", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:04", "text": ">> Which I thought was real interesting."}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:07", "text": "Well, I went over and immediately told"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "George Knap, I said, \"George, look out"}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "there.\" He said, \"I saw them. Who are"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "they? Are they you guys?\" I said, \"I"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "don't know who they are. They They just"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "said they're from the Air Force. They"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "won't say office, but uh I think you"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "ought to go up there, George, and ask"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "him for an interview."}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "And uh I I don't know if George did, but"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "I I don't think it it worked. I did have"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "an interview with George uh there. And"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "uh I knew one of them was standing back"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "watching me at the interview. And they"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "were there for my presentation. And you"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "know, I I don't care. I They left. They"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "didn't stay the whole time. They"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "probably were there three or four days,"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "two, three days. It's It's still a wild"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "thing to show up at where dressed in"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "uniform. I mean, that clearly signals an"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "intention"}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:54", "text": ">> and an interest. You know, they gave"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "away"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:55", "text": ">> a"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:57", "text": ">> public interest."}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:59", "text": ">> A public interest. They gave away the"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "fact that the Air Force is interested in"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "what was being said at a UFO convention."}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:07", "text": ">> And what was your talk about?"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:10", "text": ">> I think that I I talked about Area 51. I"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "think that was a a you know I do"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:14", "text": ">> uh PowerPoint that would make sense on"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "area 51"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:18", "text": ">> and I and I didn't give away any"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "classified. I mean afterwards there were"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "a lot of questions asked of me that you"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:23", "text": "couldn't answer that I couldn't answer"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "you know because there was projects out"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "there that I was involved with that I"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "that I can't talk about now. I mean"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "there were there were probably"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:33", "text": ">> uh right off hand five that I'm not"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "going to talk about and I will never"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:38", "text": "talk about. How many special access"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "programs have you been briefed on?"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:44", "text": ">> Oh god. Uh there's different types of"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "briefings. There's a there's a uh full"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "briefing and limited briefing and then"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "there's access only. It's called access"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "only briefings. Um fully briefed"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "probably"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "maybe 20. And then again, you know,"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "don't hold me to that. uh partial"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "briefings. Uh I don't know because it I"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "would be working on something"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "uh and an OSI agent would be working on"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "something and he needed help on so he"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "would come to me and give me a partial"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "briefing and I would help him with that."}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "Access briefing is is when it happened"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "right now,"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:22", "text": ">> like you accidentally saw something and"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "they had to brief you in"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:26", "text": ">> or you're the you're the uh on call"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "counter intelligence officer like Area"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "51 and they call you and say, \"Hey, we"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "got a we got a uh\" and they give codes"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "and I can't give the codes because I"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "think some of them are still classified."}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "They give you a code over the phone."}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "Well, you know what that code means?"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:43", "text": ">> Uh that the code like uh purple red. I'm"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "just making up something. This isn't"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "really one."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:48", "text": ">> Purple red. There's a purple red at uh"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "such and such. Okay, now I know that's"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "emergency. You know, I'll get my little"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "book out and look. Okay, I got to get"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "going to that and I have to get another"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "agent to go with me. So, I have to give"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "him"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:01", "text": ">> limited briefing."}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:03", "text": ">> Limited briefing. Well, I don't even"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "know what I'm do getting to. This is an"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "access."}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:09", "text": ">> So, we get out there and we find an a"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "crash site. I'm making this up. Okay."}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "Yeah. A crash site. And there's aliens"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "all over the place and there's toxic"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "materials all over the place. So I have"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "a checklist and I now there's a"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "checklist and so you you think about"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "this if there's a checklist for what I'm"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "going to this is obvious happened in the"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "past. So"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> are you referring to Psalm one uh the"}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "Psalm one briefing?"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:33", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:35", "text": ">> like the the manual the special"}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "operations protocol manual."}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:38", "text": ">> Something like that."}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:40", "text": ">> Something like that. Okay. Something"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "akin to that. something it can"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:43", "text": ">> [sighs and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:45", "text": ">> um Okay, so to get back to you're in"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "this parking lot, you've just had this"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "mindblowing briefing and now you're on"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "your way to I guess meet a witness who's"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "a security guard for at Sandia National"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "Labs."}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:48:00", "text": ">> No, no, no, no, no, no. That Yeah, that"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "was later. Yeah. Right. But when I got"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "the briefing, I went back to the office."}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:09", "text": ">> Oh, I see. And I went into my my boss's"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "office, John, and I said, he said, he"}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "laughed. He's just kind of smiling. He"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "said, 'What do you think? I said, 'Is"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "any of that? I used any of that"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "real? He says, yeah. I said, come on,"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "John."}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:30", "text": ">> This is a psychological operation"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:34", "text": "against me. And he said, no, it's real."}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "All that stuff is real. And again, I you"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "know, okay, I'm I got a job to do. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "All right. Okay. All right. You say it's"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "real. I in my mind it's"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:50", "text": ">> You know, so I then I go and reinter the"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "witness in Sandia, the Sandia Guard, and"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "he explains all this stuff to me, tells"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "me what happened, tells me that his, you"}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "know, the the the radio in his patrol"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "vehicle, uh, the engine shut off and all"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "these things."}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "same thing I heard in in some briefings."}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "I thought"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "and the description of the craft"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:15", "text": ">> saucer-l like"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:16", "text": ">> saucer saucer shaped and um I thought so"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "[clears throat] I have to do a report"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "and I have to investigate this and so I"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "invest and then I go to the people on"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "the base to try to see if like the uh"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:29", "text": "air traffic controllers"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "the radar approach control did they have"}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:33", "text": "anything coming in during that time"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "period? Yes."}, {"start": "00:49:33", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "Uh what did they have on radar? They had"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "something unknown. Unknown blitch. Okay."}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "It verifies what his information is."}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "What time period this period? And then"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:46", "text": ">> it was a landing by the way."}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:48", "text": ">> It was a landing."}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:50", "text": ">> Were uh were there beings?"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:53", "text": ">> There were beings. Okay. What happened"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "is there's a uh alarm structure. An"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "alarm meaning uh there's a alarm on it."}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "A structure in this classified area."}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "Okay. And this security guard had to go"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "out and check this area and this alarm"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "went off. So he had to go out to"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "investigate that, you know, why did this"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "alarm go off?"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "And this is this gets more complicated"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "as I talk and we'll talk about MNA"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "Hansen relating in con in conjunction"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "with this later. But uh he had to go out"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "and find out when when he got out there"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "he sees this flying saucer and he's is"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "this is his words hovering over this"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "bunker and it's a bunker uh that's built"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "in the into the ground and"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:45", "text": "right off to explain what this means is"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "there's a bunker this bunker in an"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "experimental bunker uh to house nuclear"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "weapons"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:55", "text": ">> and what it is is you open the blast"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "doors There's a there's a platform, an"}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "elevator that goes down 60 ft. So, they"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "would store the weapon here, put it on a"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "platform, put it down 60 ft. So, if a"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "terrorist or the enemy breaks into the"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "bunker, there's nothing in there because"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "it's underground. And that's kind of"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "like that was classified. It's not"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "classified anymore. So, that's the"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "bunker that he's that he went out to"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "check on. He sees a flying saucer above"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "it. Uh, it lands. when it lands, his"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "engine shuts off. His mobile radio and"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "his portable radio wouldn't work. No"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "electricity."}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "And then we actually know why that"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "happens. And um so he gets out of his"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "patrol vehicle, he gets a shotgun. He"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "has a shotgun and a hand and a sidearm,"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "but he gets a shotgun out of the the"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "vehicle."}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "And these two entities, as he calls"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "them, gets out of this craft and they're"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "in suits. They have helmets on uh metal"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "uh silvery suits. Their arms were"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "disproportionate to their body. Uh they"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "have like heavy boots on. They have uh"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "some kind of contraptions in both their"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "hands there. And they turned and went to"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "the front of the bunker. Well, he now"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "he's a security guard. He has a job to"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "do. He chambers a round in a shotgun"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "because they the policy is he can't have"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "a live round in his is in in the"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "chamber. So he chamber his 12 gauge"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "shotgun. He chambers around. They hear"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "apparently they hear that and the weapon"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "is taken out of his hand. He says it's"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "taken out of his hand. It's it's dropped"}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "to the ground. He doesn't He never could"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "explain to me how that happened. It just"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "got out of his hand. And that's his"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "words. Got out of my hands. He they"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "don't know what to do. Then he went to"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "for a sidearm, but he couldn't get it"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "out of the holster."}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "This thing then the two entities turned"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "around, came back to the craft, got in"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "the craft, and it took off."}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:02", "text": ">> Was the craft like um like one of those"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "seamless platforms that comes out of the"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "structure and then returns or"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:08", "text": ">> He could never explain how they came out"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "of what they came out of. And we even"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "put him under hypnosis and all he said"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "was they came out of the craft. He"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "doesn't know if the if if a platform"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "fell. He he he could never explain that."}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:22", "text": ">> You you hypnotized him."}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:27", "text": ">> That was that protocol. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "Yeah. We have psychologists that put him"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "through hypnos hypnosis. Yes. Did you"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "guys ever resort to um inoculating or"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "using chemicals on people through"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "interrogations?"}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:42", "text": ">> I don't think I can talk about that."}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:44", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:48", "text": ">> fair enough."}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:50", "text": ">> So, this is your first feray other than"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "Mario Woods happening where you were not"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "briefed into any of this and thought"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "that was just maybe crazy. Uh this is"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "your first foray into someone claiming"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "and then I assume this person seemed"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "legitimate and and sincere."}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:09", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely. He was and he a former"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "army. He was in the army before. Uh he"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "uh I believe he was an MP. Uh he worked"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "around helicopters, so he knew that this"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "wasn't a helicopter. Uh he never seen"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "anything like this before. Uh he's been"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "working for Sandia for I think 12 or 14"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "years. Uh unblenmished record. Uh"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:33", "text": ">> PRP probably as well."}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Personal reliability program. Um"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "he worked at a he worked in a uh highly"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "classified"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "area before he went out on patrol"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "uh which required it was a special"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "access program. So he had to have a"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "special security clear. He had all the"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "tickets punched. Um,"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "we gave him a polygraph which was also"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "pretty standard past that no deception"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "indicated."}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "So"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "that helped me"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "blend more into understanding"}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "the phenomena of of of"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "UFOs."}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:13", "text": ">> So what do you tell him? Do you like cuz"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "when someone sees military tech, you"}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "tell them it's aliens. What happens when"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "someone sees aliens? Did you tell them"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "it's military?"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:25", "text": ">> Well, there was another agent, a senior"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "agent involved also with me when I took"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "the initial report, did the initial"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:31", "text": "investigation,"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "uh, did all the reports and sent them up"}, {"start": "00:55:31", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "to to headquarters. The senior agent"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "then became involved in that and he"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "somewhat took over that. Now, what he"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "told them or him"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:49", "text": "um would have had to been in line with"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "what he already had a security clearance"}, {"start": "00:55:49", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "for. Remember, Paul Benowitz didn't have"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "a security clearance. Sure. He had an"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "industrial security contract because he"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "did have a contract with the with the"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "government making uh parts for uh weapon"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "systems. But this guy had a security"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "clearance. He's he had he had all the"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "tickets punched. He worked in a special"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "access program that involved alien"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "technology or examining them."}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:13", "text": ">> Really,"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:15", "text": ">> he he guarded those areas."}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:17", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "it was difficult to tell him what he saw"}, {"start": "00:56:17", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "was government cuz he wouldn't have"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "believed it. So, there there are other"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "ways of of of covering that. You would"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "make him sign an an NDA and"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:28", "text": ">> or read him in."}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:30", "text": ">> Read him in."}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:32", "text": ">> And that's what I believe. Again, the"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "senior agent handling. You don't know"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "exactly what happened."}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:35", "text": ">> I wasn't I wasn't involved in that."}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "Exactly."}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:38", "text": ">> There's no So, yeah, when you're briefed"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "at a certain level, you're not"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "gaslighting these people. You're you're"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "you're"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "probably more likely to bring them"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "closer"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": ">> into Yeah."}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> If a pilot, and I had these happened, an"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "A7 uh uh jet pilot, Air Force pilot, a"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "National Guard, it was Air National"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "Guard, New Mexico Air National Guard,"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "had an incident where he had contact"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "in the air and on the ground. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "I handled that whole case, but I"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "couldn't tell him that it was an Air"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "Force."}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:11", "text": ">> So, he he knew."}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:13", "text": ">> So, what did you tell him?"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:16", "text": ">> I I told him he probably encountered a"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "real thing, you know, although it just"}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "it went away and and, you know, he he"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "had to he wanted to get back on flying"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "status because"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:26", "text": "something like that happened. They take"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "you off flying status, you know, and so"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "he he he didn't want to. So I said, \"You"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "need to sign something that that you"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "promise you'll never talk about it.\""}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "\"Okay, I'll sign it.\""}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:38", "text": ">> You want to get back up in the air."}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:40", "text": ">> Yeah. That's the thing about pilots"}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "specifically where it's pretty sensitive"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "in terms of reporting and even even like"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "personal mental health or anything like"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "that just like takes you out of the sky."}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "Um, so when something happens,"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "let's say because you've obviously with"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "Paul with the Paul Benowitz case, you"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "know, you had to keep him going and"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "saying, \"Hey, this is Yeah, you're"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "right. It is aliens or whatever.\" Um, so"}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "that you would detract him from what"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "really was going on in the base. When"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "things are of potential alien origin,"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:17", "text": "do you sometimes tell them that it's"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "just advanced tech when a civilian is"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "reporting something like that?"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:22", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:25", "text": ">> Yeah. So, would you would it be safe to"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "assume from a civilian's point of view"}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "that the Air Force Office of Special"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:34", "text": "Investigations is essentially what they"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "refer to as the Men in Black from a"}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "civilian point of view?"}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:39", "text": ">> Yeah. um in a way. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:41", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:43", "text": ">> but but but"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "the men in black is something entirely"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "different"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:48", "text": ">> within government structures."}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:51", "text": ">> Within the government structure, uh we"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "had a uh unit within the 760year"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "intelligence wing at Fort Belvore. They"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "they were the dirty tricks people, okay?"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "And um uh they didn't go out and kill"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "people or anything like that, but"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "they're the ones if we OSI couldn't"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "convince somebody or if we needed"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "something uh that that we couldn't get,"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "we'd bring in these people. And these"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "were the bunch of uh we call them the"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "thugs. I mean, they were the knuckle"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "draggers. They were the guys that would"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "uh that the military recruited out of uh"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "uh someplace else that that didn't have"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "the unblenmish records. They didn't they"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "weren't the Harvard grads or the"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "Dartmouth grads. Uh they were the"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:40", "text": ">> rag tag bunch ragtag uh probably uh"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "played football or soccer or rugby. And"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "these guys uh had been in ballroom"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "bar alls and and they're the type of"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "guys that did things off the record so"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "to speak"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:53", "text": ">> unethically would you say to some"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "extent?"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:56", "text": ">> Uh you know probably."}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "00:59:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, but because they are not part"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "of the OSI, they you have plausible"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "deniability so that if you know anybody"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:09", "text": "comes back and says, \"Hey, you sent"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "these thugs over who said they were"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "going to bury us in the desert for"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:14", "text": "talking about this stuff.\" You can just"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "say, \"That wasn't us. We have no idea"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "who those people were.\""}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:19", "text": ">> Exactly. And almost all of them were"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "sheep dipped,"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:24", "text": ">> if you know what sheep dip is."}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh, so they were uh they would"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "have um IDs uh they were postal workers"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "or or whatever IDs they they could get a"}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "hold of. Um and uh and they if you"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "checked it would be legitimate if some"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "of them might have be worked for some"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "construction company or something like"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "that if they were caught. Yeah. Now, uh,"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "and some were, uh, you know, caught"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "either by us or by, uh, the civilian"}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:56", "text": "police and there were ways to get them"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:58", "text": "out of what they they did. And it wasn't"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "my job. It was Department of Justice"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "already had been briefed into all this"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "stuff. So, and I'm not sure how that"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "worked, but uh, there were cases where"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "they got caught doing what we told them,"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "asked them to do."}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Wow."}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "It does seem like a lot of skull duggery"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "happens within these organizations to"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:18", "text": "maintain secrecy."}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:20", "text": ">> A lot."}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:21", "text": ">> Yeah. And that's part of I mean counter"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "intelligence as well. Like there's a"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "whole other you know when we think of"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:28", "text": "counter intelligence I think not myself"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "but I think when a lot of people think"}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "of counter intelligence and especially I"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "think the names that come up are"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "yourself and Lu Alzando in this space."}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "um you know people often"}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:44", "text": "they they immediately go to oh disinfo"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "agents and there's there's a whole facet"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "of counter intelligence that definitely"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "deals with mismal or disinformation."}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:56", "text": ">> Um but there is also a whole other side"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "of counter intelligence that deals with"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "espionage that deals with other"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "countries foreign adversaries and that"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "type of thing. So um how would you to"}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:08", "text": "the average viewer uh looking at this"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "scrutinizing you know counter"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:13", "text": "intelligence being involved in the"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "euphology how would you sort of justify"}, {"start": "01:02:13", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "the presence of counter intelligence in"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "regards to UFOs?"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "Well, we"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:25", "text": "the job of the air force office special"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "investigations"}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "specifically the special projects branch"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "which I worked in we call them PJs uh"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "different from par rescue and when I"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "would say that on air they say wait a"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:41", "text": "minute PJs are par rescue no special"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "projects that our code was PJ um our job"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "was protect"}, {"start": "01:02:43", "end": "01:02:48", "text": "uh materials classification classified"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "material"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "special access programs, sensitive"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "compartment information under title 50,"}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:03:00", "text": "uh prevent that information from getting"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "into the enemy hands and we would do"}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "everything in our power to protect that"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "information. Our job was to protect the"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "classified"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "projects, special action, special access"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "programs or or sensitive aircraft, new"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "aircraft from that technology from"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:22", "text": "getting into the enemy hands. And back"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:24", "text": "in those days, it was the Soviet Union,"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "the the the red Chinese, uh North"}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "Korean, uh Cuban. Uh so we did"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "everything in our powers to do that. And"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "that may involve uh deception operations"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "which the this public calls"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:42", "text": "disinformation. It's deception"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "operations using misinformation. Okay,"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "that's our job."}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:48", "text": ">> Counter intelligence"}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:51", "text": "um and counter espionage is part of"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "counter intelligence. Um we've ran"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "counter espionage operations against UFO"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "groups because of who was in that group."}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "uh somebody that's not native. Remember,"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:08", "text": "we are a free society."}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "The Soviets or Russians are not. Back in"}, {"start": "01:04:08", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "my days, it was the Soviets. The Soviets"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "could penetrate us because we're an open"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:21", "text": "society. And guess what? The number one"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "group they always penetrated, UFO"}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "groups. We had Soviet operators in you,"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:33", "text": "Mufon, cause APRO, all these different"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "groups to get information."}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "And this is what people don't realize is"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "that"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:42", "text": "muon"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "the reason we"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:50", "text": "uh counter intelligence penetrated muon"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "and appro and cause these other UFO"}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "groups was to keep track of the other"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "hostile intelligence services"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "penetrating them. You don't realize"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "you you can't realize the number of of"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:11", "text": "not Soviet spies,"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "but uh I would say Soviet influencers"}, {"start": "01:05:11", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "that were in these groups, not just"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "Soviets, even the Chinese had had uh"}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:22", "text": "people within the group. And why? Well,"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "believe it or not,"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "Mufund or Appro got information that the"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:33", "text": "government didn't have."}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "Uh, John Doe sees something."}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "He doesn't report it to the Air Force."}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "He reports it to a UFO group uh by"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "phone. Back then, the internet wasn't"}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "around. And now MUFO MUAN sends field"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "investigators out to investigate this."}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "Those field investigators, unless it's"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "something that is it's going to uh"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "affect national security, they're not"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "going to come to the military. So we"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "have to have people in a group that know"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "what these investigators are doing in"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "order to report back to us. So that's"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:12", "text": "what that complex ne west nest uh that"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "we that involves counter intelligence."}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:17", "text": ">> Yeah. I suppose where people might be a"}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "little,"}, {"start": "01:06:18", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "I guess, put off by that information"}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "would be,"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "okay, you're infiltrating for national"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "security in order to perhaps fend off"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "foreign adversaries from getting access"}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "to this information. But with the same"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "with the same stroke,"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "you're also"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "misrepresenting what happened to a lot"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "of the experiencers, a lot of the"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:47", "text": "investigators. You know, it's your job"}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "also to mitigate that information in a"}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "way that protects, you know, sensitive"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:57", "text": "uh sites or real sightings uh protect"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:59", "text": "the secret from going out. Um, do you"}, {"start": "01:06:57", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "think that that is still in effect today"}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "or I mean I would assume so."}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:05", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely."}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:08", "text": ">> MUON, all these different organizations"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:10", "text": "are completely infiltrated and there's"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:13", "text": "nothing that goes on there that isn't"}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "overseen by intelligence agencies, you"}, {"start": "01:07:13", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "would say."}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:17", "text": ">> Yeah, there's a Bill Moore in every one"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "of those groups."}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:21", "text": ">> Well, I'm glad you I'm glad you brought"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "him up. Um, how many Bill Morris were"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "there when Bill Moore was around?"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:30", "text": ">> A lot of Bill Moors. Uh but he was he"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:33", "text": "was a person uh that I recruited, I"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "handled him uh that we sent into the he"}, {"start": "01:07:33", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "was already members of the group"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:37", "text": ">> of course"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:40", "text": ">> and all we asked him to do was report"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "back anything of significant value. We"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "call it EIS, essential elements of"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "information within intelligence that uh"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "might affect national security"}, {"start": "01:07:47", "end": "01:07:51", "text": ">> but also to disseminate information"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:54", "text": ">> that came later."}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:58", "text": ">> Okay. And that's probably"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "the uh one regret."}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "If if I had to do it all over again,"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:09", "text": "I would not be part of that."}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "I was part of providing Bill with"}, {"start": "01:08:09", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "disinformation"}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "to set send in to discredit the UFO"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "group. And um there was somebody else"}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:27", "text": "um also doing that within the CIA. Now,"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "and this isn't classified anymore. Bill"}, {"start": "01:08:27", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "Moore was was being handled by both"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "because Bill Moore had contacts uh"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "within the Soviet Union. Uh he knew"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "scientists within the Soviet Academy of"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "Science and he was communicating with"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "them. So the CIA was involved in that"}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "and we were involved in the other side"}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:50", "text": "of it. what Bill was doing. He he was a"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "very important asset uh to us. And there"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "was another person that um was actually"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "fe feeding the disinformation"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:06", "text": "uh to build more that went to these"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "groups. Um it it always um I was always"}, {"start": "01:09:06", "end": "01:09:11", "text": "hesitant about that, but you know, I"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "have a job to do. He had the job to do"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "and we did it. We did our job. we were"}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:18", "text": "told to do this and we did what we were"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "told to do. So that's the only part of"}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:23", "text": "of that that I I I I still regret. I did"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "everything by the book before that I"}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "think we could have probably not I think"}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:30", "text": "we could have changed."}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:32", "text": ">> What would you have done differently?"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "I wouldn't have I wouldn't have targeted"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "people within the group because those"}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "people within that group uh and there"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "was only one occasion I'm talking about"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:45", "text": "uh these these two people were"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "legitimately collecting really really"}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:50", "text": "good information from a person that had"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "a a close encounter"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:57", "text": "um in Nevada and um"}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "not far from close to Dallas tested"}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "training range And"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "we were"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "we and I and I was part of it. Uh was"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "trying to convince first of all we tried"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "to convince these two investigators that"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "they're not you know they shouldn't be"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "reporting. They shouldn't listen to this"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "person."}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:22", "text": "Uh we've already investigated him. He's"}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "a liar. Just forget it. Well, they knew"}, {"start": "01:10:22", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "he wasn't and we knew he wasn't."}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "So, and so they had this other agent"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "uh would had to put more pressure on"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "these two investigators within Muon. It"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "was Muon out of Nevada. Uh they're very"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:44", "text": "good people, too. And um to to try to"}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:48", "text": "convince them that uh they're not to"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:51", "text": "listen to that guy. And I don't I think"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:53", "text": "I think at the end they won, we lost"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:55", "text": "because they didn't buy anything that we"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:57", "text": "were saying. And sometimes we weren't"}, {"start": "01:10:55", "end": "01:11:01", "text": "always successful in deception"}, {"start": "01:10:57", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "operations. I can tell you right now. Uh"}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "we try our best, but uh there were only"}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:12", "text": "certain things we can do. Even if we"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:15", "text": "brought in the thugs from the 760 intel"}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "wing, we you know they we had to operate"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:20", "text": "under the law,"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "mostly under the law. I mean there was"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:27", "text": "stretches where you could you could do"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "things. Uh but uh you know I never uh"}, {"start": "01:11:27", "end": "01:11:34", "text": "went above and beyond the law. I mean I"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:37", "text": "I I I I knew what our limits were and"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "there were times when we went right up"}, {"start": "01:11:37", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "and said listen"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:43", "text": "this is it. We can't do anything more."}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "Whatever they do they're on their own."}, {"start": "01:11:43", "end": "01:11:47", "text": "And like I said we don't know we didn't"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:50", "text": "always win."}, {"start": "01:11:47", "end": "01:11:53", "text": ">> Yeah. But I mean just even the um the"}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "notion of being fed misinformation or"}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:59", "text": "being you know having that information"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "injected into a group and then you know"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:04", "text": "someone like Bill Moore in '89 at that"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "famous MUON symposium where he confessed"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "to you know being part of that. I mean"}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:12", "text": "that itself tarnishes"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "you know not only"}, {"start": "01:12:12", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "his reputation but also the"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:22", "text": "organization's reputation and we don't"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:25", "text": "know what information is to be believed"}, {"start": "01:12:22", "end": "01:12:29", "text": "from that point on. So I I would say"}, {"start": "01:12:25", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "that you did succeed. Um there's you"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:33", "text": "know although perhaps those people"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "believed or didn't believe or refused to"}, {"start": "01:12:33", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "believe what you were telling them I"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "think at at the end of the day the"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "damage is done because as you know in"}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "counter intelligence I'm sure you don't"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:46", "text": "have to prove something you just have to"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "say it enough times and then people"}, {"start": "01:12:46", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "repeat it. Um,"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "in terms of, you know, let's look at"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:55", "text": "let's take a look at the 80s because"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "there's a lot of stuff that came out in"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:13:01", "text": "terms of like declassified or classified"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:03", "text": "document leaks. Um, namely the Majestic"}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "12 stuff. Um, a lot of the stuff that"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "came, you know, to Jamie Shandera and"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:11", "text": "to, you know, um, I mean to a lot of"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "researchers tables and then this came"}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "out. Um,"}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:16", "text": "uh, who am I thinking of here? Timothy."}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:17", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:20", "text": ">> Timothy Good."}, {"start": "01:13:17", "end": "01:13:22", "text": ">> Timothy Good and and uh Ryan Wood, you"}, {"start": "01:13:20", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "know, had had a lot of"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:29", "text": ">> uh work on the MJ12 documents as well."}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:33", "text": ">> I don't even know how to ask this. What"}, {"start": "01:13:29", "end": "01:13:35", "text": "part of the MJ12 document"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "was there a part of that that you or"}, {"start": "01:13:35", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "anyone you know of your organization was"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "involved in putting out there? And if"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:45", "text": "so, specifically, which part? Well, I"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:47", "text": "can't answer whether other people in the"}, {"start": "01:13:45", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "organization uh was involved in I'm sure"}, {"start": "01:13:47", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "they were. I wasn't involved in it. The"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:54", "text": "first time I saw that document was when"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:56", "text": ">> which document particular"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:13:57", "text": ">> MJ12 that Jamie Shander got."}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:14:00", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:03", "text": ">> There's a there's a lot more to that"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "than than just him getting that"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:09", "text": "document."}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "He got some he was in Washington DC two"}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:15", "text": "weeks before meeting with somebody"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:18", "text": "because Jaime was part of another"}, {"start": "01:14:15", "end": "01:14:21", "text": "operation. He was an asset that was"}, {"start": "01:14:18", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "being used by the Naval Investigative"}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:25", "text": "Service which is now Naval Criminal"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:29", "text": "Investigative Service. Um back then it"}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "was just NIS and they were they were and"}, {"start": "01:14:29", "end": "01:14:32", "text": "I'm not going to go into that details"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "but he was he went back to Washington."}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:38", "text": "and he went back to the B uh botanical"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "gardens. He met there and they told him"}, {"start": "01:14:38", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "some things. Uh two weeks later or"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "roughly two weeks later, he gets the"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:53", "text": "document uh in the mail. Uh uh stat"}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "marked Albuquerque, New Mexico. Uh but"}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "that is another thing. Um that's a fake"}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:01", "text": "marking because when the FBI did"}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "analysis on it, they said this isn't a"}, {"start": "01:15:01", "end": "01:15:05", "text": "postal marking. But that is that's"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:07", "text": "beside the point. Anyways, he gets it."}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:15:07", "end": "01:15:10", "text": "what I'm getting at, it didn't go"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "through the mail system."}, {"start": "01:15:10", "end": "01:15:13", "text": ">> It was placed in this box."}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:17", "text": ">> I see. Like dead dropped."}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:21", "text": ">> Yeah, dead dropped. And so he gets this."}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "He immediately contacts Bill Moore and"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "Bill says, \"Well, don't do anything with"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "it, you know, let me see it and analyze"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:32", "text": "it.\" And then at some time some other"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "time I I he shows it to me. Bill Moore"}, {"start": "01:15:32", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "shows it to me, but he shows me a copy"}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "now. And we're in San Francisco. Okay."}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "He Bill Moore meets me there and we we"}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:45", "text": "were doing something entirely different,"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "but Bill says, \"I got something I want"}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "you to look at, but we we can't do it"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:52", "text": "here. We have to go someplace private.\""}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "I said, \"What is it?\" He said, \"It's a"}, {"start": "01:15:52", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "document.\" I said, \"Where'd you get it?\""}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:58", "text": "He said, \"I got it from Jamie.\" He"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:00", "text": "doesn't give me the whole details then."}, {"start": "01:15:58", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "Anyways, I said, \"Well, go to the hotel"}, {"start": "01:16:00", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "room.\" And he shows it to me. I"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "immediately take it from him. I said,"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "\"Bill, this is classified. Where the"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "hell did you get it from?\" He said, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "it I it's a copy of a copy.\" I said,"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "\"Where's the original?\" Jamie has it."}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:20", "text": "So, I take it. I seize that document"}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "being I'm an OSI. I'm a federal agent. I"}, {"start": "01:16:20", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "seize that because it shows"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "classification on it. So, I said,"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:31", "text": "\"Okay.\" Okay. So, the I'm here in San"}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:33", "text": "Francisco. The closest uh facility"}, {"start": "01:16:31", "end": "01:16:37", "text": "around a military facility is Travis Air"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:39", "text": "Force Base in Fairfield. So, I go out to"}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:42", "text": "the OSI office there. And I said,"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "\"Listen, I sees this from somebody, you"}, {"start": "01:16:42", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "know, you need to need to package it,"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:47", "text": "you know, do the packaging top secret."}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:49", "text": "You got to go through the the uh armed"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:52", "text": "forces courier system to get it to"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "wherever.\" Anyways, they what do you"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:55", "text": "want us to do with it? I said, \"I want"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:58", "text": "you to mail it to me at Kirtland.\" And"}, {"start": "01:16:55", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "so they do that. I sent it to"}, {"start": "01:16:58", "end": "01:17:03", "text": "headquarters."}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:05", "text": "I sent the when I go back, you know,"}, {"start": "01:17:03", "end": "01:17:07", "text": "four or five days later, I get it. I"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "package it and send it to headquarters."}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "I never hear anything more. I I call I"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:16", "text": "call I said, \"Hey, uh, did you get"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "that?\" Well, I know they got the package"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "because it has to go through an armed"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "forces courier system because it's top"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:25", "text": "secret code word. Yeah. I said, and the"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:28", "text": "guy I I talked to, his last name is"}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:31", "text": "Benjamin. I said, 'Hey, Benji, we call"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:35", "text": "him Benji. Benji, did you get that"}, {"start": "01:17:31", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "package? Yeah. He said, I he said, I put"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:40", "text": "it through the channel and it it's been"}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "a month probably and I haven't heard"}, {"start": "01:17:40", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "anything back from it. I said, so what"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "are they going to do?"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "I don't know. Out of my hands."}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "So I go and I thought, well, maybe the"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "investigative side of it, the guys that"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:56", "text": "investigate espionage are handling it."}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "So I get a hold of one of them. I said,"}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:18:02", "text": "you what what are you doing with that"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:04", "text": "document? He says, it's been passed on."}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "I said, well, what are they going to do"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "with it? He said, I don't know,"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "but you don't need to know, Dodie. Said,"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:20", "text": "okay, that I was out of it. I then I"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:22", "text": "you know I'm somewhat intelligent you"}, {"start": "01:18:20", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "know I went to college I could figure"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "out what two and two is I thought that's"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:31", "text": "a disinformation that's a deception"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "operation that just occurred."}, {"start": "01:18:31", "end": "01:18:38", "text": ">> Do you think that was from CIA"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:41", "text": "or from your department? Well,"}, {"start": "01:18:38", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "[clears throat] there's a there's a a a"}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "special"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:48", "text": "office within the Defense Intelligence"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:49", "text": "Agency, also the Central Intelligence"}, {"start": "01:18:48", "end": "01:18:52", "text": "Agency."}, {"start": "01:18:49", "end": "01:18:54", "text": "Uh, it's named differently. It within"}, {"start": "01:18:52", "end": "01:18:56", "text": "the DIA, and it's not classified"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:18:59", "text": "anymore, Special Means Committee. The"}, {"start": "01:18:56", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "Special Means Committee creates"}, {"start": "01:18:59", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "documents for mostly counter espionage"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:06", "text": "operations,"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:08", "text": ">> right? So, yeah. Passage material and"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:10", "text": ">> Yeah. If you run a counter intellig a"}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:12", "text": "counter espionage operation, you have to"}, {"start": "01:19:10", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "give a little real stuff in order for"}, {"start": "01:19:12", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "the Soviets to believe it or whoever"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:15", "text": "you're targeting."}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:16", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:19:15", "end": "01:19:17", "text": ">> And so they do that."}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:20", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:19:17", "end": "01:19:22", "text": ">> So I"}, {"start": "01:19:20", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "kind of figured it probably came out of"}, {"start": "01:19:22", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "there. I don't know for a fact."}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:30", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. Now, when when this was obby"}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:35", "text": "investigated back in ' 87 and 88,"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "um the FBI pretty much"}, {"start": "01:19:35", "end": "01:19:46", "text": "targeted the DIA, but the DIA denies it."}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:48", "text": "So, I don't know. The FBI had help in"}, {"start": "01:19:46", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "Didn't the Didn't the FBI go to the go"}, {"start": "01:19:48", "end": "01:19:53", "text": "to OSI in in determining that it was"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "bogus?"}, {"start": "01:19:53", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:56", "text": ">> well,"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:59", "text": ">> that's that's where the crux is because"}, {"start": "01:19:56", "end": "01:20:00", "text": "whether it's real or not,"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "I mean, they're going to deny it"}, {"start": "01:20:00", "end": "01:20:05", "text": "outright either way."}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:07", "text": ">> There was a meeting"}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:09", "text": "when when and I I've found this out"}, {"start": "01:20:07", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "years later, not not then, not during"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:13", "text": "the years."}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:17", "text": ">> Uh I was sitting at a UFO convention and"}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:21", "text": "one of the um uh uh Colonel Law, he was"}, {"start": "01:20:17", "end": "01:20:24", "text": "chief of counter intelligence for OSI."}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:28", "text": "uh he he showed up that towards the end"}, {"start": "01:20:24", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "of this UFO convention and uh I had"}, {"start": "01:20:28", "end": "01:20:30", "text": "actually went to the airport and got him"}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "and brought him there. Anyways, we were"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "sitting talking and he and"}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:37", "text": "the subject"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:44", "text": "came up of of Ryan Ryan Woods, doctor"}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "the father"}, {"start": "01:20:44", "end": "01:20:50", "text": "and um he said,"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:55", "text": "\"Wow, I never thought that stuff would"}, {"start": "01:20:50", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "end up where it ended up.\" And I I said,"}, {"start": "01:20:55", "end": "01:21:00", "text": "\"Conel?\" I said, \"Is that stuff real?\""}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:03", "text": "He said,"}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:06", "text": "Richard, how many counter espionage"}, {"start": "01:21:03", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "operations did you run? I said, quite a"}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "few. You realize you have to give them"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "the real stuff, some of the real stuff."}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "And that's all he said to me."}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:21", "text": ">> So, the MJ12 documents contain"}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:24", "text": "uh some legitimate information"}, {"start": "01:21:21", "end": "01:21:27", "text": "mixed in with some information."}, {"start": "01:21:24", "end": "01:21:30", "text": ">> But none of that you can confirm. I"}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "can't because I didn't I wasn't author"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:32", "text": "of it. Just like"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:35", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:21:32", "end": "01:21:38", "text": ">> it it's just like when the Linda How"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "incident happened. I don't know if you"}, {"start": "01:21:38", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "want to talk about that."}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:41", "text": ">> Sure. If you want to if you want to talk"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "about it."}, {"start": "01:21:41", "end": "01:21:46", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:49", "text": "we all know who Linda How is. She was an"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "enemy. Now she's a friend of mine. Um, I"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "was tasked with uh an operation to bring"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "her in and brief her on something uh"}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "because of what she was doing,"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:01", "text": ">> the documentary,"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:04", "text": ">> the documentary she was working on HBO."}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:07", "text": "And um so"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:10", "text": "this is this is actually what happened."}, {"start": "01:22:07", "end": "01:22:13", "text": "uh about a week before she was due to"}, {"start": "01:22:10", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "Albuquerque. OSI already knew that she"}, {"start": "01:22:13", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "was coming to Albuquerque and they they"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "told me you need to make an appointment"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "and and and and we're going to send you"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "something and we want her to read this."}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:28", "text": "I said, \"Okay.\""}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "So, uh we she's already contacted uh"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "Jerry Miller who was part of this. Um"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:39", "text": "and so I ended up going and picking her"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "up. Oh, be the day before the afternoon"}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:47", "text": "before this was to occur, we had we had"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "a a place to to to interview her and and"}, {"start": "01:22:47", "end": "01:22:50", "text": "there was a two-way mirror and she was"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:54", "text": "everything was going to be recorded"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "audio and video video and uh I get a"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:56", "text": "package in from the armed forces"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:23:00", "text": "courier."}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:23:01", "text": "Uh I opened it and I kind of looked"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:04", "text": "through it but I didn't really read"}, {"start": "01:23:01", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "everything. the the day of her meeting,"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "I went out just before I went out to"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "pick her up to bring her to the gate"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "because she had to be cleared in. I read"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:14", "text": "it. I read I went through the document"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:17", "text": "and I said, \"Holy cow, this is"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:19", "text": "presidential briefing document.\" But I,"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:22", "text": "you know, the counter intelligence"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "officer in me says, \"Wonder how much of"}, {"start": "01:23:22", "end": "01:23:26", "text": "this is real.\" [clears throat]"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:28", "text": "So anyway, she comes in and I give her"}, {"start": "01:23:26", "end": "01:23:31", "text": "the spiel. I said, \"You can read this."}, {"start": "01:23:28", "end": "01:23:33", "text": "Can't take notes. Uh, I can't can't"}, {"start": "01:23:31", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "photograph it. And so she reads it and"}, {"start": "01:23:33", "end": "01:23:37", "text": "she"}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "she asked me, \"How long do I have?\" I"}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "said, \"You can read it a couple"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:43", "text": "different times.\" So she took her"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:47", "text": "probably 354 minutes. She I mean, she"}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "read everything several times. I took it"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:51", "text": "back. I put it back in the desk. I"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:55", "text": "packaged it up. I sent it back to"}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:59", "text": "headquarters. And that's my beginning uh"}, {"start": "01:23:55", "end": "01:24:03", "text": "of of of using her as a source of"}, {"start": "01:23:59", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "information. Now I find out later"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "that they were going to do this"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "operation against her and it's being"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:13", "text": "handled in headquarters. Not not not me"}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:15", "text": "with me. I was just a field agent uh"}, {"start": "01:24:13", "end": "01:24:17", "text": "handling what they asked me to handle. I"}, {"start": "01:24:15", "end": "01:24:20", "text": "wasn't actually the case agent. That was"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:24", "text": "being done in in headquarters. She was"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:27", "text": "to do an a documentary uh uh for UF uh"}, {"start": "01:24:24", "end": "01:24:31", "text": "for HBO on UFOs and she had information"}, {"start": "01:24:27", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "that she had obtained from an Air Force"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "officer who worked at the Pentagon."}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:39", "text": "My job was to get the name of that"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "officer"}, {"start": "01:24:39", "end": "01:24:44", "text": ">> so we could run a a case against him"}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "because he disclosed classified"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:49", "text": "information to her. So that's why I"}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:52", "text": "handled Linda and she was a tough"}, {"start": "01:24:49", "end": "01:24:55", "text": "cookie. I I was totally unsuccessful. I"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "never got anything from her. Uh she was"}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:25:01", "text": "very smart. Uh she would give me other"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:02", "text": "information but names I never get that"}, {"start": "01:25:01", "end": "01:25:05", "text": "from her."}, {"start": "01:25:02", "end": "01:25:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Linda's um tenacious to say the"}, {"start": "01:25:05", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "least."}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:11", "text": ">> Yeah. That's a good word for Yeah."}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. But but but getting back to"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:15", "text": "it,"}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:16", "text": ">> the information that she was reading,"}, {"start": "01:25:15", "end": "01:25:20", "text": ">> you don't know."}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:22", "text": ">> I I actually only had access to it for"}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:25", "text": "that short period of time because I had"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "to send it back. I read it. I read the"}, {"start": "01:25:25", "end": "01:25:29", "text": "document. I read the same thing she read"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "and I thought it was amazing what they"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:33", "text": "were giving her, but I thought it can't"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:37", "text": "be real. I mean, I mean, some of it"}, {"start": "01:25:33", "end": "01:25:40", "text": "probably is. Now, over the years, I've"}, {"start": "01:25:37", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "learned that some of that is real and"}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:44", "text": "then some of it isn't."}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:46", "text": ">> So, what have you created that isn't"}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:49", "text": "real?"}, {"start": "01:25:46", "end": "01:25:51", "text": ">> I create We mean during my time in OSI,"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:52", "text": "uh, I I didn't create anything."}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:54", "text": ">> No material."}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:25:56", "text": ">> No, I I would not be allowed to do that."}, {"start": "01:25:54", "end": "01:25:58", "text": ">> No. So, No, but what information did you"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "pass on?"}, {"start": "01:25:58", "end": "01:26:00", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:02", "text": ">> That was given to you that you know for"}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:02", "text": "a fact wasn't real that people took us"}, {"start": "01:26:02", "end": "01:26:05", "text": "to church."}, {"start": "01:26:02", "end": "01:26:08", "text": ">> Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:11", "text": "there was an incident involving a uh a"}, {"start": "01:26:08", "end": "01:26:14", "text": "civilian uh that saw something. It was"}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:18", "text": "an actually an experimental craft. It"}, {"start": "01:26:14", "end": "01:26:19", "text": "was uh the first prototype of the"}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "Aurora."}, {"start": "01:26:19", "end": "01:26:21", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:25", "text": ">> Which was being developed at the same"}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "time that the F17 was at Tonap. That"}, {"start": "01:26:25", "end": "01:26:33", "text": "same time period. this guy saw this and"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "I had to give him information"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:40", "text": "uh on a UFO. I made we made up OSI made"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "up the story about a UFO"}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:47", "text": "that occurred a sighting of of occurred"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "the same time he saw this real craft. So"}, {"start": "01:26:47", "end": "01:26:53", "text": "everything I gave him about that UFO was"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "was false. I mean everything"}, {"start": "01:26:53", "end": "01:26:58", "text": "um it came down from headquarters. I"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:01", "text": "even probably embellished a lot of that"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "stuff to convince him and he and he was"}, {"start": "01:27:01", "end": "01:27:05", "text": "thoroughly convinced and then I had him"}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "sign an NDA."}, {"start": "01:27:05", "end": "01:27:09", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:12", "text": ">> So that was that was one of I mean I"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "probably did it well I I know I did it"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:19", "text": "other times. Um this is this is a funny"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:21", "text": "story about uh Nellis test and training"}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:24", "text": "range while we were out there when I was"}, {"start": "01:27:21", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "out there at at Groom Lake."}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:30", "text": "Um back in those days in the late 70s"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:34", "text": "and 80s prostitution was legal in"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "Nevada. Most counties had prop county"}, {"start": "01:27:34", "end": "01:27:41", "text": "which most of uh Del's testing train the"}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:43", "text": "testing range encompassed NY County a"}, {"start": "01:27:41", "end": "01:27:46", "text": "little bit of Lincoln and a little bit"}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:49", "text": "of Clark. Um,"}, {"start": "01:27:46", "end": "01:27:51", "text": "our job was to go out and recruit every"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "single prostitute"}, {"start": "01:27:51", "end": "01:27:57", "text": "around the Nellis testing range and pay"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "them to inform us when an Air Force"}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:02", "text": "person came in and talked about anything"}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:03", "text": "dealing with their job."}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:06", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:08", "text": ">> And and we did that. And I tell you"}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:09", "text": "what, the best sources of information"}, {"start": "01:28:08", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "are those prostitutes."}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:14", "text": ">> No way. Because we actually ran a case"}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "against a pilot"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:17", "text": ">> because of"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:19", "text": ">> he came in he used a he used one"}, {"start": "01:28:17", "end": "01:28:22", "text": "particular prostitute all the time. He"}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "was a major and he was flying the 117."}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:27", "text": ">> Oh wow. and he would come in and and and"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:30", "text": "try to impress her by telling her"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:34", "text": "stories about the F-119"}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:36", "text": "and he was doing 11719"}, {"start": "01:28:34", "end": "01:28:40", "text": "and that uh he could do all these"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:43", "text": "strange things and and and"}, {"start": "01:28:40", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "even we could chase flying saucers with"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "him and all this stuff. Well, when we"}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:52", "text": "visited and well, she called us."}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "Uh, we had a special phone number and"}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "she called us and she said, \"Uh, I got"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "some information for you.\" So, she was"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "at prompt."}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:00", "text": ">> Were they paid?"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:02", "text": ">> Oh, well paid."}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:03", "text": ">> So, wait, the Air Force paid"}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "prostitutes? Is there anything?"}, {"start": "01:29:03", "end": "01:29:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:09", "text": ">> Well paid, but but not for anything,"}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:13", "text": "just for the information. So, I go out"}, {"start": "01:29:09", "end": "01:29:15", "text": "there with another agent and um she we"}, {"start": "01:29:13", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "go in and she says"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:20", "text": "she gives us his name and she tells us"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:22", "text": "everything he said."}, {"start": "01:29:20", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "And I said,"}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "\"He told you this stuff?\" Yeah. I don't"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:28", "text": "know if it's any of it's true that they"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "don't wouldn't know it. I said, \"Okay.\""}, {"start": "01:29:28", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "I said, \"Uh, how often does he come in"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:36", "text": "here?\" She said, \"Uh, once every couple"}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:38", "text": "weeks.\" Well, they could only get off"}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:41", "text": "every whatever it was. I don't know. I"}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:44", "text": "don't remember now. Periodically he"}, {"start": "01:29:41", "end": "01:29:47", "text": "would come in. I said, \"Does he make an"}, {"start": "01:29:44", "end": "01:29:48", "text": "appointment?\" And she said, \"Yeah.\" I"}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:50", "text": "said, \"Next time he calls and make"}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:51", "text": "appointment, let us know because we're"}, {"start": "01:29:50", "end": "01:29:53", "text": "going to we're going to put a we're"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:56", "text": "going to bug the room.\" And so she does"}, {"start": "01:29:53", "end": "01:29:58", "text": "and we bug it and we get and he's she's"}, {"start": "01:29:56", "end": "01:30:01", "text": "just asking him questions. Hey, remember"}, {"start": "01:29:58", "end": "01:30:03", "text": "you told me about that plane that you"}, {"start": "01:30:01", "end": "01:30:06", "text": "guys are flying out there and the flying"}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:09", "text": "saucers and stuff. And then he went on"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "like 20 some minutes talking about it."}, {"start": "01:30:09", "end": "01:30:13", "text": "So she calls us and says, \"Hey, I you"}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "know, he left and I turned it off like"}, {"start": "01:30:13", "end": "01:30:18", "text": "you told us to and we come out get it"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:20", "text": "and then we go pay him a visit at the"}, {"start": "01:30:18", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "dorm at Tonipa, you know, and you know,"}, {"start": "01:30:20", "end": "01:30:27", "text": "it's funny. He's in this dorm and you"}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:29", "text": "know he's officer Bill he's a major and"}, {"start": "01:30:27", "end": "01:30:32", "text": "he has a suite and then I knock on the"}, {"start": "01:30:29", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "door he opens it and his face just went"}, {"start": "01:30:32", "end": "01:30:34", "text": ">> h"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:37", "text": ">> he knew"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:39", "text": "I said you know special agent door OS I"}, {"start": "01:30:37", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "need to talk to you"}, {"start": "01:30:39", "end": "01:30:44", "text": "he says okay I said uh but not here"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:46", "text": "you're going to go with me we're going"}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:48", "text": "to go over the OSI office which we had"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:49", "text": "one at Tonipa"}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:51", "text": "he says you want me to bring anything"}, {"start": "01:30:49", "end": "01:30:54", "text": "with me I said no just your ID just, you"}, {"start": "01:30:51", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "know, so [sighs]"}, {"start": "01:30:54", "end": "01:30:58", "text": "put him in the vehicle. He's we get him"}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:00", "text": "in the office, take put him in an"}, {"start": "01:30:58", "end": "01:31:02", "text": "interrogation room and what you do is"}, {"start": "01:31:00", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "you put him in there and there's a"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:07", "text": "camera and they know the camera's on and"}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "we sit him there and we let him let him"}, {"start": "01:31:07", "end": "01:31:09", "text": "wait"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:10", "text": "because this is going to be"}, {"start": "01:31:09", "end": "01:31:12", "text": "interrogation. It's not going to be an"}, {"start": "01:31:10", "end": "01:31:15", "text": "interview."}, {"start": "01:31:12", "end": "01:31:18", "text": "And um that's guy's married,"}, {"start": "01:31:15", "end": "01:31:20", "text": ">> has two children. And so we come in and"}, {"start": "01:31:18", "end": "01:31:24", "text": "I come in with the other agent. I sit"}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "down. And I said, \"Major,\""}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:27", "text": "he said, \"I know you're going to talk"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:30", "text": "about.\" I said, \"Shut your mouth. Don't"}, {"start": "01:31:27", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "even talk to me yet.\""}, {"start": "01:31:30", "end": "01:31:35", "text": "Yeah. He I said, \"When I ask you a"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:39", "text": "question, you can answer it.\""}, {"start": "01:31:35", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And um I tell him I"}, {"start": "01:31:39", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "kind of give him a preamble, not"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "mentioning anything directly."}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:46", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:48", "text": ">> I said, \"You know, you're a major in the"}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:51", "text": "United States Air Force. you've been a"}, {"start": "01:31:48", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "pilot for whatever it was, 14, 15 years."}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "Uh you're flying one of the uh most"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:32:00", "text": "expensive and most classified aircraft"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "that the Air Force has."}, {"start": "01:32:00", "end": "01:32:08", "text": "And um you're married, right? You got"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:11", "text": "two kids. Your wife's at Edwards Air"}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "Force Base. You're here"}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:16", "text": "and you can't keep it in your pants."}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "He starts crying."}, {"start": "01:32:16", "end": "01:32:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "It's not funny, but he starts crying. He"}, {"start": "01:32:21", "end": "01:32:27", "text": "He said, \"Okay.\" I said, \"But but but"}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "but before I ask you any questions, I"}, {"start": "01:32:27", "end": "01:32:30", "text": "have to read this to you. It's your"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:32", "text": "article 31. That's a fifth amendment in"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:34", "text": "the military.\" I read him as, you know,"}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:36", "text": "you have a right to remain silent and"}, {"start": "01:32:34", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "all that stuff. And I pulled him the"}, {"start": "01:32:36", "end": "01:32:39", "text": "document. I said, \"You need a sign there"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:41", "text": "on the bottom that you acknowledge it.\""}, {"start": "01:32:39", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "He does. I said, \"So now we're going to"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:47", "text": "talk if you want to talk."}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:49", "text": "But remember what's going to happen if"}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:51", "text": "you don't talk to me when you leave that"}, {"start": "01:32:49", "end": "01:32:52", "text": "room. But you don't have to talk to me."}, {"start": "01:32:51", "end": "01:32:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:54", "text": ">> And he talked. Of course, he admitted"}, {"start": "01:32:53", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:33:01", "text": ">> He took offline status. He he they sent"}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:03", "text": "him back to Edwards and he he um"}, {"start": "01:33:01", "end": "01:33:05", "text": "eventually he just took him off that"}, {"start": "01:33:03", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "program."}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:09", "text": "I don't know really what happened. I"}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:12", "text": "mean I he I think he went back to flying"}, {"start": "01:33:09", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "status, but not anything classified any."}, {"start": "01:33:12", "end": "01:33:15", "text": "I guess you had to have the prostitute"}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:16", "text": "as well sign NDAs."}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:17", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:16", "end": "01:33:20", "text": ">> In that case,"}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:23", "text": ">> well, they don't know. Yeah, we do. But"}, {"start": "01:33:20", "end": "01:33:23", "text": ">> they're not liable to really talk about"}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "it."}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:26", "text": ">> They keep their mouth shut."}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:27", "text": ">> Yeah, they're good. They're good at"}, {"start": "01:33:26", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "keeping secrets."}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:30", "text": ">> They're very good at keeping secrets."}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:31", "text": ">> Yeah. And that wasn't just that was one"}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:32", "text": "of many"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:34", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:33:32", "end": "01:33:36", "text": ">> cases that we we had."}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:38", "text": ">> So quite successful."}, {"start": "01:33:36", "end": "01:33:40", "text": ">> Very very successful. Yeah. I said that"}, {"start": "01:33:38", "end": "01:33:43", "text": "the Air Force spent a lot of money on on"}, {"start": "01:33:40", "end": "01:33:44", "text": "the prostitution around, but we never we"}, {"start": "01:33:43", "end": "01:33:45", "text": "never got anything from it but"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:48", "text": "information."}, {"start": "01:33:45", "end": "01:33:49", "text": ">> Yeah. On the books at least."}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:54", "text": ">> Um Okay. So"}, {"start": "01:33:52", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "towards the"}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:34:00", "text": "end of the 80s now we've you know we've"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "gone through so many things in terms of"}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:06", "text": "documents coming forward uh prominent"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:08", "text": "researchers being sort of outed as as uh"}, {"start": "01:34:06", "end": "01:34:11", "text": "you know part of a dis disinformation"}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:15", "text": "campaign. Um"}, {"start": "01:34:11", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "a lot is going on in Euphology."}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "But then in 1988, there was a TV special"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:27", "text": "which you're on um the UFO cover up um"}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:30", "text": "on on TV and well you're hidden under"}, {"start": "01:34:27", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "the alias Falcon if I'm not mistaken and"}, {"start": "01:34:30", "end": "01:34:38", "text": "then there's also um uh what was it? Uh"}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "it was Condor uh was the other was the"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:41", "text": "other person and you"}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:44", "text": ">> Bob Collins. Robert Collins."}, {"start": "01:34:41", "end": "01:34:46", "text": ">> That's right. and"}, {"start": "01:34:44", "end": "01:34:49", "text": "you go on there talking about a lot of"}, {"start": "01:34:46", "end": "01:34:53", "text": "really interesting things. Now I want to"}, {"start": "01:34:49", "end": "01:34:56", "text": "know did that come from"}, {"start": "01:34:53", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "your own valition or was that was that"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:00", "text": "an order to do something like that?"}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "Where did that come from? Where did the"}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:06", "text": "the where were the impetus?"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:08", "text": ">> Well, number one, that wasn't live."}, {"start": "01:35:06", "end": "01:35:10", "text": ">> That was recorded a year before,"}, {"start": "01:35:08", "end": "01:35:13", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:14", "text": "Uh, and that was part of another"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "operation"}, {"start": "01:35:14", "end": "01:35:17", "text": ">> and that came from OSI."}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:19", "text": ">> Yeah, it came from OSI."}, {"start": "01:35:17", "end": "01:35:19", "text": ">> So they were because that's the that's"}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:20", "text": "the"}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:23", "text": ">> that was 87, not 88."}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:28", "text": ">> Oh, 87. My bad. And it was so strange"}, {"start": "01:35:23", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "because you know, you're basically"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:33", "text": "making public"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:36", "text": "what you were the same information that"}, {"start": "01:35:33", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "you were giving to Paul Benowitz. What"}, {"start": "01:35:36", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "was the call there? Why go from, hey,"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:42", "text": "we're going to you we're going to, you"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:45", "text": "know, keep this contained and control"}, {"start": "01:35:42", "end": "01:35:47", "text": "the situation to now go public with this"}, {"start": "01:35:45", "end": "01:35:50", "text": "thing like what was the reason?"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:53", "text": ">> Well, well, um,"}, {"start": "01:35:50", "end": "01:35:55", "text": "OSI was trying to this that was part of"}, {"start": "01:35:53", "end": "01:35:57", "text": "an OSI and FBI investigation. They were"}, {"start": "01:35:55", "end": "01:35:58", "text": "trying trying to draw somebody out."}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:00", "text": ">> I see."}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:03", "text": ">> And they were hoping that what I said."}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "Now, at the time I did that interview, I"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "didn't know about what was going to"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:09", "text": "happen a year later. Actually, it was"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "like 15 months before"}, {"start": "01:36:09", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "the October 87 interview"}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "the movie."}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:18", "text": ">> Yeah. When it came out."}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:20", "text": ">> When it came out. When Yeah. So, I"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "didn't know uh"}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:22", "text": ">> that all that the lid was going to get"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "blown."}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:23", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:36:23", "end": "01:36:27", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "01:36:24", "end": "01:36:29", "text": "And so,"}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:30", "text": "they were hoping and I wasn't involved"}, {"start": "01:36:29", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "in this part of it. They were hoping to"}, {"start": "01:36:30", "end": "01:36:34", "text": "draw out somebody that they were looking"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "for"}, {"start": "01:36:34", "end": "01:36:40", "text": "that had disclosed classified"}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "information to somebody else."}, {"start": "01:36:40", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "And so"}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:48", "text": "I had a script."}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:51", "text": ">> Okay. And were you aware of what parts"}, {"start": "01:36:48", "end": "01:36:54", "text": "of that script were fabricated,"}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:56", "text": "confabulated, and which parts were maybe"}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "real?"}, {"start": "01:36:56", "end": "01:37:04", "text": "Most of what I said was um"}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "was real. Uh but there was some probably"}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:08", "text": "misinformation in there."}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:08", "text": ">> And what I don't remember, you know, I"}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:10", "text": "don't remember."}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:13", "text": ">> Okay. The strawberry ice cream probably."}, {"start": "01:37:10", "end": "01:37:16", "text": ">> No, the strawberry ice cream was real."}, {"start": "01:37:13", "end": "01:37:17", "text": "Really? Absolutely. The strawberry ice"}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:20", "text": "cream."}, {"start": "01:37:17", "end": "01:37:25", "text": ">> Go back and ask Linda Howell. Okay."}, {"start": "01:37:20", "end": "01:37:26", "text": "Linda How had the um she interviewed"}, {"start": "01:37:25", "end": "01:37:30", "text": ">> and the"}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:30", "text": ">> the captain that lived with Eba one,"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:34", "text": ">> okay,"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:37", "text": ">> from 47 and he used the the strawberry"}, {"start": "01:37:34", "end": "01:37:40", "text": "ice cream. He that that was started back"}, {"start": "01:37:37", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "in 1980 when Linda Howell heard that"}, {"start": "01:37:40", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "from the captain."}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:48", "text": ">> And what was the reason to include that?"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "I feel like that feels like"}, {"start": "01:37:48", "end": "01:37:50", "text": "disinformation."}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:51", "text": ">> It does. And is that why?"}, {"start": "01:37:50", "end": "01:37:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:54", "text": ">> Because it's so going to believe it."}, {"start": "01:37:53", "end": "01:37:55", "text": ">> It's so outlandish. We're just going to"}, {"start": "01:37:54", "end": "01:37:56", "text": "throw that in there."}, {"start": "01:37:55", "end": "01:37:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:01", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:04", "text": ">> Um, so that was officially authorized."}, {"start": "01:38:01", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "It was a It was a project. It was a Is"}, {"start": "01:38:04", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "was there a name to that project?"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:11", "text": ">> H I'm sure there was, but I don't recall"}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:13", "text": "it. I don't recall what the name is now."}, {"start": "01:38:11", "end": "01:38:15", "text": ">> And then the whole idea of like the"}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "aviary and that sort of that was what"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:22", "text": "was that about? Well, the Averary was"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "created by Jamie Shander and um and and"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:28", "text": "and others. I can't think of her name."}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "Uh Tracy"}, {"start": "01:38:28", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:34", "text": "what was it? What's her name? Anyways,"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:38", "text": "that was created by them."}, {"start": "01:38:34", "end": "01:38:43", "text": ">> Mhm. because of of the uh the working"}, {"start": "01:38:38", "end": "01:38:48", "text": "group that I was a part of that uh Hal"}, {"start": "01:38:43", "end": "01:38:53", "text": "Putoff, Kit Green, uh Scott uh"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:57", "text": "uh uh Scott, what's his name? Uh Senator"}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:38:59", "text": "Pel's aid. Um and then others that we"}, {"start": "01:38:57", "end": "01:39:01", "text": "would meet. Richard Helms was actually"}, {"start": "01:38:59", "end": "01:39:03", "text": "the Falcon. He was the the part of the"}, {"start": "01:39:01", "end": "01:39:06", "text": "controller. I was just a a really low"}, {"start": "01:39:03", "end": "01:39:10", "text": "person on a on on a totem pole, so to"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:13", "text": "speak. And I I did a lot of fetching"}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "things for them and and the security"}, {"start": "01:39:13", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "clearances and stuff for them when they"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:21", "text": "had meetings. And"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:24", "text": "Jamie Shander got wind of that and he"}, {"start": "01:39:21", "end": "01:39:27", "text": "named these people the Averary. We we"}, {"start": "01:39:24", "end": "01:39:30", "text": "found out about that after the after,"}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:33", "text": "you know, it was out in the public. I"}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:35", "text": "think uh uh Phil class"}, {"start": "01:39:33", "end": "01:39:37", "text": ">> Phil class was"}, {"start": "01:39:35", "end": "01:39:38", "text": ">> interesting stuff. Uh what's also"}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:39", "text": "interesting and this is something I"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:43", "text": "wanted to mention and not something I've"}, {"start": "01:39:39", "end": "01:39:45", "text": "ever talked about before but um"}, {"start": "01:39:43", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "so in"}, {"start": "01:39:45", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "there is evidence that I have that shows"}, {"start": "01:39:49", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "um you familiar with David Copperfield?"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:56", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:59", "text": ">> His father was stationed in Roswell. I"}, {"start": "01:39:56", "end": "01:40:02", "text": "have a picture of his ID from 1945."}, {"start": "01:39:59", "end": "01:40:04", "text": "at Roswell Air Force Base and he was"}, {"start": "01:40:02", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "counter intelligence."}, {"start": "01:40:04", "end": "01:40:06", "text": ">> Hello."}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:07", "text": ">> At Roswell."}, {"start": "01:40:06", "end": "01:40:08", "text": ">> I didn't know that."}, {"start": "01:40:07", "end": "01:40:11", "text": ">> Now I have Yeah. Not a lot of people do."}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:14", "text": "Um nobody does actually. Um but I I did"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:16", "text": "some digging because I have um I just"}, {"start": "01:40:14", "end": "01:40:18", "text": "thought this was an interesting overlap"}, {"start": "01:40:16", "end": "01:40:21", "text": "as well being as that"}, {"start": "01:40:18", "end": "01:40:23", "text": "most recognizable"}, {"start": "01:40:21", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "deception artist of our time, David"}, {"start": "01:40:23", "end": "01:40:27", "text": "Copperfield, had a father who who may or"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "may not have been part of the Roswell"}, {"start": "01:40:27", "end": "01:40:33", "text": "coverup. It it was it was the uh driving"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:36", "text": "force uh for David's show in Vegas for"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:37", "text": "many many years uh which involved a UFO,"}, {"start": "01:40:36", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "an alien, like he had this whole, you"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "know, Vegas show. And what started that"}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "was him going through his father's"}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:45", "text": "things when his father passed and"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:46", "text": "finding his ID."}, {"start": "01:40:45", "end": "01:40:49", "text": ">> Never knew that."}, {"start": "01:40:46", "end": "01:40:53", "text": ">> Yeah. So there's his ID. And if if you"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:56", "text": "see here, it says uh squadron C6."}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "And that's not an actual uh squadron"}, {"start": "01:40:56", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "that flew."}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:03", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:41:02", "end": "01:41:05", "text": ">> Yeah. So, the last name's different."}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:07", "text": "Obviously, it's not field."}, {"start": "01:41:05", "end": "01:41:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:11", "text": ">> That's amazing."}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:13", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "01:41:12", "end": "01:41:15", "text": ">> Very interesting."}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:17", "text": ">> Yeah. So, he he might have known more"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:19", "text": "than uh I believe his mother was also"}, {"start": "01:41:17", "end": "01:41:19", "text": "stationed there near Roswell and"}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:21", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:23", "text": ">> so yeah."}, {"start": "01:41:21", "end": "01:41:24", "text": ">> Interesting. uh interesting tidbits."}, {"start": "01:41:23", "end": "01:41:28", "text": ">> Very interesting."}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:31", "text": ">> Um were you ever tasked,"}, {"start": "01:41:28", "end": "01:41:32", "text": "you know, because we we hear this uh you"}, {"start": "01:41:31", "end": "01:41:34", "text": "know whether it's you know I interviewed"}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:37", "text": "uh John Ramirez who was here as well"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:39", "text": "who's you know ex CIA Lou Alzando and we"}, {"start": "01:41:37", "end": "01:41:41", "text": "know for a fact now that"}, {"start": "01:41:39", "end": "01:41:45", "text": ">> you're never"}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:46", "text": "fully an ex information agent, you know"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:48", "text": "what I mean?"}, {"start": "01:41:46", "end": "01:41:49", "text": "Were there ever instances where you were"}, {"start": "01:41:48", "end": "01:41:51", "text": "called upon, and I'm not going to, you"}, {"start": "01:41:49", "end": "01:41:52", "text": "know, ask you for specifics that those"}, {"start": "01:41:51", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "are classified, but were there ever"}, {"start": "01:41:52", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "instances that you were called upon"}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:42:00", "text": "after you left the OSI that had to do"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:00", "text": "with UFOs?"}, {"start": "01:42:00", "end": "01:42:05", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:42:00", "end": "01:42:10", "text": ">> Okay. Um, would that be"}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:10", "text": "prior to 2015 or after?"}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:12", "text": ">> Prior."}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:13", "text": ">> Prior. Never after."}, {"start": "01:42:12", "end": "01:42:16", "text": ">> No, never after."}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:17", "text": ">> Okay. And this was between 2002, 2003"}, {"start": "01:42:16", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "and 2015 somewhere in there where you"}, {"start": "01:42:17", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "would"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:24", "text": ">> I left government service in 1988."}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "I was recalled in 1991."}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:29", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:32", "text": ">> To work on a project and again in '94"}, {"start": "01:42:29", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "and then um"}, {"start": "01:42:32", "end": "01:42:38", "text": "after 2002 I was a contract employee for"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:42", "text": "a while."}, {"start": "01:42:38", "end": "01:42:44", "text": ">> You were contract employee for the OSI."}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:46", "text": "Just we'll leave it at US intelligence."}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:49", "text": ">> At US intelligence. Uh and it had to do"}, {"start": "01:42:46", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "with the UFO topic."}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:53", "text": ">> Not all of it. Um"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:43:01", "text": "I would say 50/50. Was that in a"}, {"start": "01:42:57", "end": "01:43:03", "text": "monitoring capacity or in a"}, {"start": "01:43:01", "end": "01:43:08", "text": "sort of did you have to inject yourself"}, {"start": "01:43:03", "end": "01:43:10", "text": "into this in order to uh"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "you know throw throw some information"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "into the mix that perhaps wasn't true?"}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:19", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:20", "text": ">> Um I worked for Dr. Putoff from 94 to"}, {"start": "01:43:19", "end": "01:43:21", "text": "2007."}, {"start": "01:43:20", "end": "01:43:24", "text": ">> I see."}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:25", "text": ">> And so I see I'll leave it at that."}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:28", "text": ">> I understand. Okay. Someone else was"}, {"start": "01:43:25", "end": "01:43:31", "text": "interested in how put offs work."}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:32", "text": ">> Okay. Wow. Interesting. Would Hal be"}, {"start": "01:43:31", "end": "01:43:33", "text": "aware of that, you think?"}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:35", "text": ">> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "01:43:33", "end": "01:43:36", "text": ">> Smart guy."}, {"start": "01:43:35", "end": "01:43:37", "text": ">> Very smart."}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:38", "text": ">> Brilliant person."}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Can't put much past him."}, {"start": "01:43:38", "end": "01:43:40", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:43:39", "end": "01:43:42", "text": ">> How many saps do you think he was right"}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:44", "text": "into?"}, {"start": "01:43:42", "end": "01:43:46", "text": ">> Oh, god."}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:50", "text": "You know, it was so much when I first"}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:52", "text": "started working for him. Uh, I didn't"}, {"start": "01:43:50", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "have a I it took for a while for me to"}, {"start": "01:43:52", "end": "01:43:58", "text": "get a DARPA clearance. Okay. And he"}, {"start": "01:43:56", "end": "01:44:01", "text": "would be working on things in his own"}, {"start": "01:43:58", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "skiff and and I would he would tease me"}, {"start": "01:44:01", "end": "01:44:09", "text": "but he would never tell me but um when I"}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:11", "text": "got the clearance um I it was only on a"}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:13", "text": "need to know. Uh there were times when I"}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:15", "text": "would go into the skiff and there would"}, {"start": "01:44:13", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "be a meeting and we'd sit and talk and"}, {"start": "01:44:15", "end": "01:44:20", "text": "then there would you know we'd talk for"}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "an hour the scientist and his other"}, {"start": "01:44:20", "end": "01:44:26", "text": "techs and then he'd say Rick bye and I'd"}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:28", "text": "leave and then we're working on"}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "something that I didn't have access to."}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:35", "text": "I just didn't have a know. But um I I I"}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:37", "text": "would say dozens and and probably more"}, {"start": "01:44:35", "end": "01:44:40", "text": "he had"}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:42", "text": ">> and and this isn't a secret but he had"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "or proprietary because there a lot of"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "things I can't talk about."}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> He had um"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:54", "text": "in a certain area of the lab um"}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:57", "text": "pieces of extraterrestrial material that"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "he was trying to figure out. And is that"}, {"start": "01:44:57", "end": "01:45:00", "text": "part of the reason why you were"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "contracted?"}, {"start": "01:45:00", "end": "01:45:03", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:45:04", "end": "01:45:08", "text": "partially."}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:11", "text": ">> No, partially. I It was be because of my"}, {"start": "01:45:08", "end": "01:45:14", "text": "uh counter intelligence work and and"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "what I could do and what I could uh"}, {"start": "01:45:14", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "because a lot of what I did was I went"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:20", "text": "out to talk to people. He would send me"}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "out to interview people that had some"}, {"start": "01:45:20", "end": "01:45:26", "text": "connections. Uh I interviewed uh you"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:27", "text": "know we went to South Dakota and I went"}, {"start": "01:45:26", "end": "01:45:30", "text": "to South Dakota with some other people"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:32", "text": "from the lab to dug up something because"}, {"start": "01:45:30", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "in 19"}, {"start": "01:45:32", "end": "01:45:40", "text": "58 I think it was um can't remember what"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:45", "text": "year but in the 50s or early 60s UFO had"}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "crashed on this uh uh ranchers uh land"}, {"start": "01:45:45", "end": "01:45:48", "text": "and he never told anybody about it. He"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "buried it."}, {"start": "01:45:48", "end": "01:45:52", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:55", "text": ">> Yeah. He buried it. And his grandson"}, {"start": "01:45:52", "end": "01:45:57", "text": "is the one that got a hold of somebody"}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "who got a hold of somebody who got a"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:46:03", "text": "hold of Dr. Putoff. And then I was the"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:07", "text": "one that went to um South Dakota to try"}, {"start": "01:46:03", "end": "01:46:10", "text": "to find what what did you bury? And the"}, {"start": "01:46:07", "end": "01:46:13", "text": "the the only thing that the grandson"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:15", "text": "knew because the the his grandfather was"}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:16", "text": "dead and his father was dead. It was"}, {"start": "01:46:15", "end": "01:46:18", "text": "just a grandson."}, {"start": "01:46:16", "end": "01:46:21", "text": ">> Yeah. And it was that it was buried in"}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:23", "text": "this one area that there's no nothing"}, {"start": "01:46:21", "end": "01:46:24", "text": "grows around it."}, {"start": "01:46:23", "end": "01:46:29", "text": ">> And they water it and water it and"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:31", "text": "nothing grows. So this was the place. So"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:35", "text": "we um"}, {"start": "01:46:31", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "that's about all I can talk about."}, {"start": "01:46:35", "end": "01:46:39", "text": "Did you see anything?"}, {"start": "01:46:37", "end": "01:46:40", "text": ">> We saw a lot."}, {"start": "01:46:39", "end": "01:46:42", "text": ">> You saw what they took out of the"}, {"start": "01:46:40", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "ground?"}, {"start": "01:46:42", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "Somebody somebody somebody saw what was"}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:49", "text": "taken out of the ground and some and it"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "went someplace but but at that time it"}, {"start": "01:46:49", "end": "01:46:54", "text": "was turned over to the government,"}, {"start": "01:46:51", "end": "01:46:56", "text": ">> right, Pat?"}, {"start": "01:46:54", "end": "01:46:59", "text": ">> No, this was in uh"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:47:02", "text": ">> No, it went to probably Groom Lake, I"}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:04", "text": "guess. No, this was in uh"}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:06", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:07", "text": "2002, I think. Or"}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:11", "text": ">> Okay. Wow."}, {"start": "01:47:07", "end": "01:47:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Or no, 200. And the crash would"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:14", "text": "have happened in in the 50s or early"}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:14", "text": "60s."}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:16", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:16", "end": "01:47:21", "text": ">> Is that near was that near any type of"}, {"start": "01:47:19", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "radar base?"}, {"start": "01:47:21", "end": "01:47:27", "text": ">> It was um"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:29", "text": "south"}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:32", "text": "west corner of the state."}, {"start": "01:47:29", "end": "01:47:36", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "01:47:32", "end": "01:47:37", "text": "south of Keystone was it was just Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:38", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "01:47:37", "end": "01:47:40", "text": ">> was I don't you know there's Ellsworth"}, {"start": "01:47:38", "end": "01:47:43", "text": "Air Force Base. It's still there. Uh"}, {"start": "01:47:40", "end": "01:47:44", "text": "it's it was a couple hundred miles from"}, {"start": "01:47:43", "end": "01:47:46", "text": "there but um"}, {"start": "01:47:44", "end": "01:47:51", "text": ">> was um"}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:55", "text": ">> you know I think it was actually near um"}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:56", "text": "no later on a minute man site."}, {"start": "01:47:55", "end": "01:47:57", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:47:58", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "01:47:57", "end": "01:47:59", "text": ">> in the 50s I didn't have"}, {"start": "01:47:58", "end": "01:48:00", "text": ">> You didn't have one there."}, {"start": "01:47:59", "end": "01:48:04", "text": ">> Well that's really interesting. And"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:06", "text": "that's um so you weren't so you were"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:08", "text": "right into that program. You were right"}, {"start": "01:48:06", "end": "01:48:10", "text": "into that recovery then. I guess"}, {"start": "01:48:08", "end": "01:48:13", "text": ">> I was right into Yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:10", "end": "01:48:14", "text": ">> Well, partially. I I didn't handle"}, {"start": "01:48:13", "end": "01:48:17", "text": "anything. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:14", "end": "01:48:20", "text": ">> I didn't analyze anything."}, {"start": "01:48:17", "end": "01:48:21", "text": ">> Uh I just set everything up and then"}, {"start": "01:48:20", "end": "01:48:23", "text": "other people came in and did it."}, {"start": "01:48:21", "end": "01:48:24", "text": ">> So, you had partial access."}, {"start": "01:48:23", "end": "01:48:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Just limited."}, {"start": "01:48:24", "end": "01:48:31", "text": ">> Limited. And how many"}, {"start": "01:48:28", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "limited partial accesses have you had to"}, {"start": "01:48:31", "end": "01:48:35", "text": "other crashes,"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:38", "text": "would you say?"}, {"start": "01:48:35", "end": "01:48:40", "text": ">> Four, I guess. But that was that was"}, {"start": "01:48:38", "end": "01:48:42", "text": "during my OSI career. That was Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:48:40", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "that was in the 70s and 80s."}, {"start": "01:48:42", "end": "01:48:46", "text": ">> So you had you had uh quite"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:47", "text": ">> I was actually at one crash site. I was"}, {"start": "01:48:46", "end": "01:48:52", "text": "there."}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:54", "text": ">> Uh and but the crash happened years"}, {"start": "01:48:52", "end": "01:48:59", "text": "before, but they found it. They"}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:49:02", "text": "discovered it and uh I went there uh as"}, {"start": "01:48:59", "end": "01:49:04", "text": "part of a team to do the counter"}, {"start": "01:49:02", "end": "01:49:07", "text": "intelligence work regarding the people"}, {"start": "01:49:04", "end": "01:49:11", "text": "that found the witness. But this crash"}, {"start": "01:49:07", "end": "01:49:12", "text": "site had was in 60 sometime in the 60s"}, {"start": "01:49:11", "end": "01:49:16", "text": ">> and it was undiscovered"}, {"start": "01:49:12", "end": "01:49:21", "text": ">> and un it was undiscovered and a mining"}, {"start": "01:49:16", "end": "01:49:25", "text": "uh uh exploration team from some company"}, {"start": "01:49:21", "end": "01:49:28", "text": "was doing work in this shaft and they"}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:32", "text": "found it in this minehaft"}, {"start": "01:49:28", "end": "01:49:36", "text": "and now that's another I mean I don't"}, {"start": "01:49:32", "end": "01:49:39", "text": "know anything other than they found it"}, {"start": "01:49:36", "end": "01:49:40", "text": "Um and what when we went there,"}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:42", "text": ">> you went on site."}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:45", "text": ">> We went on site,"}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:48", "text": "it was assumed,"}, {"start": "01:49:45", "end": "01:49:51", "text": "uh because of of a lot of factors that"}, {"start": "01:49:48", "end": "01:49:54", "text": "the invest other investigators, not me,"}, {"start": "01:49:51", "end": "01:49:57", "text": "uh because of where it was that this"}, {"start": "01:49:54", "end": "01:50:00", "text": "thing had crashed"}, {"start": "01:49:57", "end": "01:50:01", "text": "here outside this minehaft and these"}, {"start": "01:50:00", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "miners didn't know what to do with it."}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:07", "text": "So they put it in the mineshaft and you"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:08", "text": "know they had it in there and I don't"}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:11", "text": "know why they never reported it to"}, {"start": "01:50:08", "end": "01:50:13", "text": "anybody or maybe they did. Uh there's no"}, {"start": "01:50:11", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "record that that I know of. Maybe there"}, {"start": "01:50:13", "end": "01:50:18", "text": "were records. I you know don't hold me"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "to that because uh we went there and"}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:21", "text": "they had found it in the shaft"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:23", "text": ">> and they extracted it"}, {"start": "01:50:21", "end": "01:50:26", "text": ">> and extracted it out. the government,"}, {"start": "01:50:23", "end": "01:50:28", "text": "the Dart Dart team, the Astar, special"}, {"start": "01:50:26", "end": "01:50:31", "text": "down aircraft recovery team did it and"}, {"start": "01:50:28", "end": "01:50:34", "text": "they pulled it out and you know they it"}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:38", "text": "took them I don't think they even got"}, {"start": "01:50:34", "end": "01:50:41", "text": "inside of it until they got it to Tonip."}, {"start": "01:50:38", "end": "01:50:44", "text": ">> And now jump ahead when I was out there."}, {"start": "01:50:41", "end": "01:50:47", "text": "This is before I went to Tonip I mean to"}, {"start": "01:50:44", "end": "01:50:51", "text": "uh uh Nellis Test and Training Range."}, {"start": "01:50:47", "end": "01:50:53", "text": "Um, I checked on that while I was there."}, {"start": "01:50:51", "end": "01:50:54", "text": "Uh, and they had they still had that"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:50:55", "text": "craft there."}, {"start": "01:50:54", "end": "01:50:56", "text": ">> The disc?"}, {"start": "01:50:55", "end": "01:51:00", "text": ">> The disc? Yeah, it was a disc. And And"}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:02", "text": "it was a small one. It was not that big."}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:02", "text": "It it was uh"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:04", "text": ">> You saw it?"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:05", "text": ">> Yeah, I saw the craft. Yeah, it was"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:10", "text": "there at the craft site and I saw him"}, {"start": "01:51:05", "end": "01:51:15", "text": "pull it out and it was it was a it was"}, {"start": "01:51:10", "end": "01:51:17", "text": "probably um 5t in diameter."}, {"start": "01:51:15", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "So they think but they couldn't get into"}, {"start": "01:51:17", "end": "01:51:19", "text": "it. They can't they couldn't find an"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:20", "text": "opening."}, {"start": "01:51:19", "end": "01:51:23", "text": ">> So it was like a solid"}, {"start": "01:51:20", "end": "01:51:25", "text": ">> Yep. Well, they did eventually but not"}, {"start": "01:51:23", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "during that time when I was there. I"}, {"start": "01:51:25", "end": "01:51:28", "text": "didn't see anybody."}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:30", "text": ">> How long did it take him to get in?"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:33", "text": ">> I I don't know. Like I said, that was"}, {"start": "01:51:30", "end": "01:51:37", "text": "1980 81."}, {"start": "01:51:33", "end": "01:51:39", "text": "Uh I was there 84. They got it open four"}, {"start": "01:51:37", "end": "01:51:41", "text": "years, maybe three or four years. I"}, {"start": "01:51:39", "end": "01:51:42", "text": "don't know exactly how they did that."}, {"start": "01:51:41", "end": "01:51:46", "text": ">> Plasma cutters or"}, {"start": "01:51:42", "end": "01:51:48", "text": ">> uh something. And and what I don't know"}, {"start": "01:51:46", "end": "01:51:50", "text": "is whether they found bodies in there."}, {"start": "01:51:48", "end": "01:51:52", "text": "There would have had been many bodies. I"}, {"start": "01:51:50", "end": "01:51:52", "text": "mean, they might have had to be 2 ft"}, {"start": "01:51:52", "end": "01:51:54", "text": "tall."}, {"start": "01:51:52", "end": "01:51:55", "text": ">> No, it was very small. It was like a a"}, {"start": "01:51:54", "end": "01:51:57", "text": "drone ship or something."}, {"start": "01:51:55", "end": "01:52:00", "text": ">> It It could very well be. I think I"}, {"start": "01:51:57", "end": "01:52:02", "text": "think somebody told me uh that was"}, {"start": "01:52:00", "end": "01:52:02", "text": "probably a a scout ship."}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:05", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:07", "text": ">> That crashed for some reason. There was"}, {"start": "01:52:05", "end": "01:52:12", "text": "damage. It's funny because they couldn't"}, {"start": "01:52:07", "end": "01:52:14", "text": "get in it, but the part of it"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:16", "text": "was indented. You know, I guess when it"}, {"start": "01:52:14", "end": "01:52:19", "text": "hit the ground or I don't know exactly"}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:22", "text": "how, but there was part of it that was"}, {"start": "01:52:19", "end": "01:52:24", "text": "indented. So, you know, I I always, you"}, {"start": "01:52:22", "end": "01:52:28", "text": "know, of course, I don't know technology"}, {"start": "01:52:24", "end": "01:52:30", "text": "like others do, but why did it take them"}, {"start": "01:52:28", "end": "01:52:32", "text": "so long? I mean, we had diamond cutters"}, {"start": "01:52:30", "end": "01:52:35", "text": "and all sorts of things back in those"}, {"start": "01:52:32", "end": "01:52:36", "text": "days. Uh, but they they obviously got it"}, {"start": "01:52:35", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "open, but I don't know what they found"}, {"start": "01:52:36", "end": "01:52:40", "text": "in there. I wasn't ever privy to that."}, {"start": "01:52:38", "end": "01:52:42", "text": ">> Was that the first time you saw with"}, {"start": "01:52:40", "end": "01:52:44", "text": "your own eyes?"}, {"start": "01:52:42", "end": "01:52:45", "text": ">> Yeah. UFO?"}, {"start": "01:52:44", "end": "01:52:48", "text": ">> Was that the last?"}, {"start": "01:52:45", "end": "01:52:50", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:52:48", "end": "01:52:50", "text": ">> Let's go. Tell me about another UFO you"}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:52", "text": "saw."}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:55", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:58", "text": "while I was at uh I can't I got to be"}, {"start": "01:52:55", "end": "01:53:00", "text": "very careful. Uh while I was at uh uh"}, {"start": "01:52:58", "end": "01:53:03", "text": "the the the"}, {"start": "01:53:00", "end": "01:53:06", "text": "story I gave you earlier about being on"}, {"start": "01:53:03", "end": "01:53:09", "text": "call and getting a call, I did. Uh me"}, {"start": "01:53:06", "end": "01:53:12", "text": "and my partner went out to a place"}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:14", "text": "outside uh the Nellis Tess and Training"}, {"start": "01:53:12", "end": "01:53:18", "text": "Range up near Warm Springs. Uh there had"}, {"start": "01:53:14", "end": "01:53:21", "text": "been a crash and um that's about all I"}, {"start": "01:53:18", "end": "01:53:24", "text": "can talk about it because there's a lot"}, {"start": "01:53:21", "end": "01:53:27", "text": "of other things that happened that uh"}, {"start": "01:53:24", "end": "01:53:29", "text": "could very well still be classified."}, {"start": "01:53:27", "end": "01:53:29", "text": ">> Were there beings involved?"}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:31", "text": ">> You saw the beings?"}, {"start": "01:53:30", "end": "01:53:32", "text": ">> I didn't see the beings. No,"}, {"start": "01:53:31", "end": "01:53:35", "text": ">> you saw the"}, {"start": "01:53:32", "end": "01:53:36", "text": ">> beings were Well, let me say this. When"}, {"start": "01:53:35", "end": "01:53:37", "text": "I got there,"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:40", "text": ">> it was cleaned up."}, {"start": "01:53:37", "end": "01:53:42", "text": ">> It No, the bodies were covered."}, {"start": "01:53:40", "end": "01:53:44", "text": ">> Oh, I see. So, I didn't actually I can't"}, {"start": "01:53:42", "end": "01:53:46", "text": "say, you know, I say, \"Yeah, I saw the"}, {"start": "01:53:44", "end": "01:53:47", "text": "bodies.\" Well, no, wait. They covered."}, {"start": "01:53:46", "end": "01:53:49", "text": "So, I'm not going to say that because I"}, {"start": "01:53:47", "end": "01:53:51", "text": "didn't see the bodies. I don't know what"}, {"start": "01:53:49", "end": "01:53:53", "text": "they they they looked probably five at"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:54", "text": "least five foot. I'm just looking at"}, {"start": "01:53:53", "end": "01:53:55", "text": ">> Yeah. You assumed that those were alien"}, {"start": "01:53:54", "end": "01:53:56", "text": "bodies."}, {"start": "01:53:55", "end": "01:53:58", "text": ">> Yeah, I assumed they were alien bodies."}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:54:01", "text": "Yeah, they they were covered up. Uh the"}, {"start": "01:53:58", "end": "01:54:02", "text": "other agent that came later that had"}, {"start": "01:54:01", "end": "01:54:07", "text": "access to everything in the world about"}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:10", "text": "that, um he took over. I was just"}, {"start": "01:54:07", "end": "01:54:11", "text": "remember I was a duty on call and I went"}, {"start": "01:54:10", "end": "01:54:14", "text": "out there initially."}, {"start": "01:54:11", "end": "01:54:15", "text": ">> I set up the counter intelligence ring"}, {"start": "01:54:14", "end": "01:54:19", "text": "as we called it."}, {"start": "01:54:15", "end": "01:54:24", "text": ">> Uh the the uh highway pat the state"}, {"start": "01:54:19", "end": "01:54:26", "text": "trooper and the uh um"}, {"start": "01:54:24", "end": "01:54:29", "text": "NY County Sheriff's deputy that was on"}, {"start": "01:54:26", "end": "01:54:31", "text": "scene uh because"}, {"start": "01:54:29", "end": "01:54:32", "text": ">> you had to debrief them. Yeah, I did all"}, {"start": "01:54:31", "end": "01:54:35", "text": "that stuff."}, {"start": "01:54:32", "end": "01:54:37", "text": ">> And um"}, {"start": "01:54:35", "end": "01:54:40", "text": "the"}, {"start": "01:54:37", "end": "01:54:44", "text": "they contracted a trucking company"}, {"start": "01:54:40", "end": "01:54:44", "text": "uh out of um"}, {"start": "01:54:45", "end": "01:54:52", "text": "Hawthorne, Nevada"}, {"start": "01:54:48", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "to come and put it on a flatbed."}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:56", "text": "The I guess we didn't have one. I"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:54:58", "text": "government didn't have and I had to make"}, {"start": "01:54:56", "end": "01:55:01", "text": "that arrangements with that trucking"}, {"start": "01:54:58", "end": "01:55:03", "text": "company. Um, and I had to make sure that"}, {"start": "01:55:01", "end": "01:55:06", "text": "the driver,"}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:10", "text": "this is funny, when I was making the"}, {"start": "01:55:06", "end": "01:55:12", "text": "arrangements. Um, this is Hawthorne and"}, {"start": "01:55:10", "end": "01:55:14", "text": "there's an army base there at Hawthorne"}, {"start": "01:55:12", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "in Nevada. It's a depot where they make"}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:18", "text": "bombs. And so this trucking company"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:20", "text": "worked out there a lot."}, {"start": "01:55:18", "end": "01:55:21", "text": ">> They're used to classified scenarios"}, {"start": "01:55:20", "end": "01:55:23", "text": ">> or or sensitive. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:55:21", "end": "01:55:26", "text": ">> Sensitive. Yeah. So, I said, \"I need a a"}, {"start": "01:55:23", "end": "01:55:30", "text": "driver that has had been in the military"}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:33", "text": "uh and I can take orders.\" And the woman"}, {"start": "01:55:30", "end": "01:55:34", "text": "I was coordinating this with said,"}, {"start": "01:55:33", "end": "01:55:37", "text": "\"Why?\""}, {"start": "01:55:34", "end": "01:55:38", "text": "Because I just need it or we'll have to"}, {"start": "01:55:37", "end": "01:55:41", "text": "go to another trucking company. She"}, {"start": "01:55:38", "end": "01:55:43", "text": "said, \"We we we take bombs all the time"}, {"start": "01:55:41", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "out to Hawthorne.\" And and I said,"}, {"start": "01:55:43", "end": "01:55:50", "text": "\"Listen, man. This is what I need.\" So,"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:53", "text": "I get this guy. He's the foreman of the"}, {"start": "01:55:50", "end": "01:55:56", "text": "of a certain section of the trucking"}, {"start": "01:55:53", "end": "01:55:58", "text": "company. He uh you know I I go there and"}, {"start": "01:55:56", "end": "01:55:59", "text": "I sit him down. I said, \"You're gonna"}, {"start": "01:55:58", "end": "01:56:00", "text": "you're gonna pick something up and"}, {"start": "01:55:59", "end": "01:56:03", "text": "you're going to take it from here to"}, {"start": "01:56:00", "end": "01:56:05", "text": "there?\" And he said, \"Okay.\" I said,"}, {"start": "01:56:03", "end": "01:56:08", "text": "\"You you know, you you can't ask"}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:09", "text": "question.\" My lips are sealed. I said,"}, {"start": "01:56:08", "end": "01:56:11", "text": "\"So"}, {"start": "01:56:09", "end": "01:56:14", "text": "you agree to do this? You agree to sign"}, {"start": "01:56:11", "end": "01:56:15", "text": "this?\" He said, \"I've done it before.\" I"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:17", "text": "said, \"You've done it before?\" He said,"}, {"start": "01:56:15", "end": "01:56:21", "text": "\"Yeah.\" you talking about the these"}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:22", "text": "round things? And I said,"}, {"start": "01:56:21", "end": "01:56:24", "text": "\"What? What do you mean round things?\""}, {"start": "01:56:22", "end": "01:56:26", "text": "He said, \"Well, before I took picked up"}, {"start": "01:56:24", "end": "01:56:28", "text": "a round thing and took it out out to the"}, {"start": "01:56:26", "end": "01:56:30", "text": "base.\""}, {"start": "01:56:28", "end": "01:56:30", "text": ">> Okay, you're the guy."}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:33", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:35", "text": ">> You're the guy I want. And so he, you"}, {"start": "01:56:33", "end": "01:56:36", "text": "know, he went and did did the thing."}, {"start": "01:56:35", "end": "01:56:37", "text": "There was"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:40", "text": ">> You watch it happen."}, {"start": "01:56:37", "end": "01:56:42", "text": ">> No, no, no. The other agent that was in"}, {"start": "01:56:40", "end": "01:56:42", "text": "charge of that. I did all this setup."}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:43", "text": "All"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:45", "text": ">> the paperwork stuff, all the setup. I"}, {"start": "01:56:43", "end": "01:56:45", "text": "did not I was not there during that"}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:47", "text": "time."}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:49", "text": ">> That's what counter intelligence Yeah."}, {"start": "01:56:47", "end": "01:56:51", "text": "does. They funnel all the information."}, {"start": "01:56:49", "end": "01:56:53", "text": "You create the classifications. You talk"}, {"start": "01:56:51", "end": "01:56:55", "text": "to you debrief the people, give them"}, {"start": "01:56:53", "end": "01:56:57", "text": "cover stories, tell the agents what to"}, {"start": "01:56:55", "end": "01:56:57", "text": "tell the press, like that type of thing,"}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:03", "text": ">> Exactly. And the the craft itself,"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:05", "text": "that's the other guys."}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:06", "text": ">> Did you have conversations with those"}, {"start": "01:57:05", "end": "01:57:07", "text": "guys?"}, {"start": "01:57:06", "end": "01:57:08", "text": ">> I would have to coordinate. Yeah, it"}, {"start": "01:57:07", "end": "01:57:12", "text": "would be coordination."}, {"start": "01:57:08", "end": "01:57:12", "text": ">> I mean, philosophical conversations."}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:14", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:16", "text": ">> did you guys speak about the origins?"}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:18", "text": "Did you guys speak about, you know, what"}, {"start": "01:57:16", "end": "01:57:19", "text": "you think it is like off record? Like,"}, {"start": "01:57:18", "end": "01:57:21", "text": ">> of course."}, {"start": "01:57:19", "end": "01:57:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:57:21", "end": "01:57:26", "text": ">> And And were they able to give you"}, {"start": "01:57:23", "end": "01:57:29", "text": "information that you had never even"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:31", "text": "thought of or did they seem legitimately"}, {"start": "01:57:29", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "like"}, {"start": "01:57:31", "end": "01:57:37", "text": "really wellversed in this topic? like"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "they like they had information that was"}, {"start": "01:57:37", "end": "01:57:41", "text": "really pertinent to this like like"}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:44", "text": "origin or reason or you know whom, why,"}, {"start": "01:57:41", "end": "01:57:45", "text": "where, what like all these speculative"}, {"start": "01:57:44", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "things that we talk about. Did you get"}, {"start": "01:57:45", "end": "01:57:47", "text": "access to some of that?"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:48", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:57:47", "end": "01:57:51", "text": ">> Through those conversations,"}, {"start": "01:57:48", "end": "01:57:54", "text": ">> we would talk philosophically,"}, {"start": "01:57:51", "end": "01:57:55", "text": "but I didn't have a need to know."}, {"start": "01:57:54", "end": "01:57:56", "text": ">> Right. So, it was all"}, {"start": "01:57:55", "end": "01:57:58", "text": ">> that information. And I tell you what,"}, {"start": "01:57:56", "end": "01:58:01", "text": "with the intelligence community, I don't"}, {"start": "01:57:58", "end": "01:58:03", "text": "care if you're my best friend. Uh, you"}, {"start": "01:58:01", "end": "01:58:05", "text": "might be able to take a bullet for me."}, {"start": "01:58:03", "end": "01:58:08", "text": "You know, we wore guns, too. Remember?"}, {"start": "01:58:05", "end": "01:58:09", "text": "Uh, but I I'm not gonna I'm not gonna"}, {"start": "01:58:08", "end": "01:58:10", "text": "tell you something."}, {"start": "01:58:09", "end": "01:58:12", "text": ">> Yeah. You're not gonna break your not"}, {"start": "01:58:10", "end": "01:58:15", "text": "going to do that. And that's the way it"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:16", "text": "was. Uh, we would talk philosophically."}, {"start": "01:58:15", "end": "01:58:19", "text": ">> You talk about aliens"}, {"start": "01:58:16", "end": "01:58:21", "text": ">> about Yeah. Like, you know, these guys I"}, {"start": "01:58:19", "end": "01:58:24", "text": "I bet you there are I bet there's a base"}, {"start": "01:58:21", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "on Mars or, you know, we or maybe maybe"}, {"start": "01:58:24", "end": "01:58:28", "text": "uh Venus isn't what it, you know, things"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "like that. We would talk about"}, {"start": "01:58:28", "end": "01:58:32", "text": ">> where they come from. Maybe they're"}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:35", "text": "coming from Mars, maybe they're coming"}, {"start": "01:58:32", "end": "01:58:37", "text": "from uh Pluto, you know, things like"}, {"start": "01:58:35", "end": "01:58:39", "text": "that we would talk about, but they would"}, {"start": "01:58:37", "end": "01:58:43", "text": "never say, \"No, they they came from, you"}, {"start": "01:58:39", "end": "01:58:44", "text": "know, uh Epsilon uh already or some, you"}, {"start": "01:58:43", "end": "01:58:47", "text": "know, no, they would never say that.\""}, {"start": "01:58:44", "end": "01:58:50", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "01:58:47", "end": "01:58:52", "text": "man. Does that What does that feel like"}, {"start": "01:58:50", "end": "01:58:55", "text": "seeing something like that? Well, going"}, {"start": "01:58:52", "end": "01:58:58", "text": "all the way back to my briefing and not"}, {"start": "01:58:55", "end": "01:59:00", "text": "not believing any of it, uh, every"}, {"start": "01:58:58", "end": "01:59:03", "text": "single"}, {"start": "01:59:00", "end": "01:59:07", "text": "uh time I was exposed to an"}, {"start": "01:59:03", "end": "01:59:11", "text": "extraterrestrial craft or something to"}, {"start": "01:59:07", "end": "01:59:13", "text": "do with an extraterrestrial being. Um,"}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:14", "text": "it strengthened my belief that"}, {"start": "01:59:13", "end": "01:59:17", "text": "everything that I was briefed on is is"}, {"start": "01:59:14", "end": "01:59:19", "text": "fact."}, {"start": "01:59:17", "end": "01:59:22", "text": "But what did that feel like?"}, {"start": "01:59:19", "end": "01:59:24", "text": "scary in a way because"}, {"start": "01:59:22", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "[clears throat] one of the things uh"}, {"start": "01:59:24", "end": "01:59:28", "text": "that people don't like to talk about, I"}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:32", "text": "don't like to talk about it in great"}, {"start": "01:59:28", "end": "01:59:35", "text": "details is I was brought up a Catholic."}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:39", "text": "Um I went to progill school. I was an"}, {"start": "01:59:35", "end": "01:59:41", "text": "older boy. Um I believed in God and you"}, {"start": "01:59:39", "end": "01:59:44", "text": "know did my prayers and and did my all"}, {"start": "01:59:41", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "my uh you know confraternity and and"}, {"start": "01:59:44", "end": "01:59:49", "text": "everything. and um"}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:52", "text": "um I spent some time in a monastery"}, {"start": "01:59:49", "end": "01:59:56", "text": "before I even went to high school. So I"}, {"start": "01:59:52", "end": "01:59:58", "text": "I had a strong religious belief. Now"}, {"start": "01:59:56", "end": "02:00:02", "text": "one of the questions that people always"}, {"start": "01:59:58", "end": "02:00:04", "text": "ask me and I ask myself is okay, God"}, {"start": "02:00:02", "end": "02:00:08", "text": "created the universe, so I guess he"}, {"start": "02:00:04", "end": "02:00:12", "text": "created the aliens, too. Did he?"}, {"start": "02:00:08", "end": "02:00:16", "text": "Um, some of the things we learned or"}, {"start": "02:00:12", "end": "02:00:21", "text": "Linda How was written about EBA 1. Uh,"}, {"start": "02:00:16", "end": "02:00:24", "text": "he claims that they put a uh, Eban on a"}, {"start": "02:00:21", "end": "02:00:26", "text": "humanoid on a planet 2,000 years ago."}, {"start": "02:00:24", "end": "02:00:29", "text": "Was that Jesus? You know, these"}, {"start": "02:00:26", "end": "02:00:32", "text": "questions I have always had. And when"}, {"start": "02:00:29", "end": "02:00:34", "text": "when I had the briefing, I have to, you"}, {"start": "02:00:32", "end": "02:00:38", "text": "know, okay, wait a minute. Is this for"}, {"start": "02:00:34", "end": "02:00:40", "text": "real? Okay, it's for real."}, {"start": "02:00:38", "end": "02:00:42", "text": "it are these things made by God? This is"}, {"start": "02:00:40", "end": "02:00:46", "text": "something I think about and other people"}, {"start": "02:00:42", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "have too. And if you connect the dots,"}, {"start": "02:00:46", "end": "02:00:51", "text": "could it affect the way other people"}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:53", "text": "believe in their religion? And that's"}, {"start": "02:00:51", "end": "02:00:57", "text": "something I really don't like to get"}, {"start": "02:00:53", "end": "02:00:59", "text": "into. I mean, I I've settled myself, but"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:01:02", "text": "there were other people out there that"}, {"start": "02:00:59", "end": "02:01:05", "text": "uh you know, the the revelation that"}, {"start": "02:01:02", "end": "02:01:07", "text": "this guy several years ago uh did on a"}, {"start": "02:01:05", "end": "02:01:10", "text": "UFO convention that some of the"}, {"start": "02:01:07", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "extraterrestrial characters are similar"}, {"start": "02:01:10", "end": "02:01:16", "text": "to Tibetan uh characters. What does that"}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:18", "text": "mean? That they lived here on Earth or"}, {"start": "02:01:16", "end": "02:01:21", "text": "they they created the Tibetans or what?"}, {"start": "02:01:18", "end": "02:01:27", "text": "you know this is all these questions uh"}, {"start": "02:01:21", "end": "02:01:31", "text": "that uh that people have to think about."}, {"start": "02:01:27", "end": "02:01:33", "text": "Yeah, it is uh it is pretty it does get"}, {"start": "02:01:31", "end": "02:01:35", "text": "pretty existential"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:38", "text": "when you start thinking about that and"}, {"start": "02:01:35", "end": "02:01:42", "text": "thinking about uh"}, {"start": "02:01:38", "end": "02:01:46", "text": "you know the uh what that means"}, {"start": "02:01:42", "end": "02:01:49", "text": "for us here, why we're here, why they"}, {"start": "02:01:46", "end": "02:01:51", "text": "want to be here with us or why their"}, {"start": "02:01:49", "end": "02:01:54", "text": "presence is here. And I'm looking at the"}, {"start": "02:01:51", "end": "02:01:57", "text": "list as I speak to you here of like"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "these different these different names"}, {"start": "02:01:57", "end": "02:02:03", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:05", "text": "I I have no idea what to make of this."}, {"start": "02:02:03", "end": "02:02:06", "text": "Like personally, I I don't know what to"}, {"start": "02:02:05", "end": "02:02:09", "text": "make of any of this. What to make of"}, {"start": "02:02:06", "end": "02:02:12", "text": "because, you know, as you can probably"}, {"start": "02:02:09", "end": "02:02:15", "text": "assume, someone who's very wellversed in"}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "counter intelligence. I'm a magician."}, {"start": "02:02:15", "end": "02:02:20", "text": "probably the most skeptical person out"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:24", "text": "there in terms of you know understanding"}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:28", "text": "methodry in terms of um you know all all"}, {"start": "02:02:24", "end": "02:02:31", "text": "the um all the methods on how to obtain"}, {"start": "02:02:28", "end": "02:02:34", "text": "information secretly or how to misdirect"}, {"start": "02:02:31", "end": "02:02:37", "text": "and all of this you know I'm given all"}, {"start": "02:02:34", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "this everything you're telling me and"}, {"start": "02:02:37", "end": "02:02:43", "text": "it's a melting pot of a thousand"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:46", "text": "different things"}, {"start": "02:02:43", "end": "02:02:48", "text": "with all the years that you have, you"}, {"start": "02:02:46", "end": "02:02:49", "text": "know, built into this and all the"}, {"start": "02:02:48", "end": "02:02:50", "text": "information that you've gathered, all"}, {"start": "02:02:49", "end": "02:02:51", "text": "the secret things that you've seen that"}, {"start": "02:02:50", "end": "02:02:53", "text": "you can't talk about and the people"}, {"start": "02:02:51", "end": "02:02:56", "text": "you've spoken with and the projects"}, {"start": "02:02:53", "end": "02:02:58", "text": "you've worked on."}, {"start": "02:02:56", "end": "02:03:01", "text": "Is there"}, {"start": "02:02:58", "end": "02:03:04", "text": "one overarching"}, {"start": "02:03:01", "end": "02:03:08", "text": "thing that neatly packages everything?"}, {"start": "02:03:04", "end": "02:03:11", "text": "Allah um you know passport to Meonia"}, {"start": "02:03:08", "end": "02:03:13", "text": "Jacqu Valet control system or are we"}, {"start": "02:03:11", "end": "02:03:15", "text": "dealing with like a thousand separate"}, {"start": "02:03:13", "end": "02:03:16", "text": "things?"}, {"start": "02:03:15", "end": "02:03:19", "text": ">> Separate things."}, {"start": "02:03:16", "end": "02:03:23", "text": ">> You think so? I think the one"}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:25", "text": "the one thing that convinced me"}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:29", "text": "uh beyond anything else that I had"}, {"start": "02:03:25", "end": "02:03:32", "text": "access to was listening to this Air"}, {"start": "02:03:29", "end": "02:03:35", "text": "Force sergeant uh female who was"}, {"start": "02:03:32", "end": "02:03:37", "text": "abducted countless times. Went through"}, {"start": "02:03:35", "end": "02:03:39", "text": "literally torture by these"}, {"start": "02:03:37", "end": "02:03:41", "text": "extraterrestrials having marks on her"}, {"start": "02:03:39", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "hands. They took her fingernails off,"}, {"start": "02:03:41", "end": "02:03:46", "text": "her toenails off. Uh she was bleeding"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:50", "text": "from her vaginal area almost every after"}, {"start": "02:03:46", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "every abductions. Uh bleeding from the"}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "eye. Um rupturion her eard drum once. Um"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:03", "text": "and then the a lot of things that we did"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:05", "text": "uh in a surveillance"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:09", "text": "uh capacity"}, {"start": "02:04:05", "end": "02:04:12", "text": "to confirm what she says. Uh that"}, {"start": "02:04:09", "end": "02:04:16", "text": "convinced me that there are"}, {"start": "02:04:12", "end": "02:04:20", "text": "they weren't humans doing this to her."}, {"start": "02:04:16", "end": "02:04:21", "text": "They were extraterrestrials. Now were"}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:23", "text": "the extraterrestrials interdimensional?"}, {"start": "02:04:21", "end": "02:04:27", "text": "I don't know. Uh you know, there's an"}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:30", "text": "argument can be made, but there were"}, {"start": "02:04:27", "end": "02:04:34", "text": "there were nonhumans doing this to her."}, {"start": "02:04:30", "end": "02:04:36", "text": "And I wish I could tell you how we know,"}, {"start": "02:04:34", "end": "02:04:38", "text": "but believe me, the government knows"}, {"start": "02:04:36", "end": "02:04:39", "text": "that these were extraterrestrials that"}, {"start": "02:04:38", "end": "02:04:42", "text": "were doing this to her."}, {"start": "02:04:39", "end": "02:04:47", "text": ">> You surveiled it."}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:50", "text": ">> There was We actually did. We had a We"}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:52", "text": "knew based on a lot of things that I"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:56", "text": "can't talk about, methods and sources I"}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:58", "text": "can't ever talk about, but we knew when"}, {"start": "02:04:56", "end": "02:05:02", "text": "they were going to do this to her. She"}, {"start": "02:04:58", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "lived in an apartment complex outside"}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:06", "text": "Kirtland Air Force Base. She was"}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:10", "text": "stationed at Kirtland and"}, {"start": "02:05:06", "end": "02:05:12", "text": "she uh lived in a two-story real small"}, {"start": "02:05:10", "end": "02:05:16", "text": "apartment and she her bedroom was"}, {"start": "02:05:12", "end": "02:05:21", "text": "upstairs and we knew uh that she would"}, {"start": "02:05:16", "end": "02:05:23", "text": "be taken uh during a time period and we"}, {"start": "02:05:21", "end": "02:05:27", "text": "set up a surveillance"}, {"start": "02:05:23", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "and that's about all I can say."}, {"start": "02:05:27", "end": "02:05:30", "text": "That's a fact. And she's a"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:34", "text": "whistleblower."}, {"start": "02:05:30", "end": "02:05:37", "text": "And she would be the number one person I"}, {"start": "02:05:34", "end": "02:05:39", "text": "would put in front of a camera if I was"}, {"start": "02:05:37", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "a member of Congress. She is a"}, {"start": "02:05:39", "end": "02:05:45", "text": "legitimate whistleblower. She's she"}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:48", "text": "retired from the military. She's a"}, {"start": "02:05:45", "end": "02:05:51", "text": "grandmother now. She she taught school"}, {"start": "02:05:48", "end": "02:05:55", "text": "for some some time. She lives around the"}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:06:00", "text": "DC area. Uh I'm sorry. She lives around"}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:06:04", "text": "the uh Baltimore area. Um but she has"}, {"start": "02:06:00", "end": "02:06:07", "text": "been interviewed by uh many of the US"}, {"start": "02:06:04", "end": "02:06:10", "text": "representatives and and and at least two"}, {"start": "02:06:07", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "senators and some of their staff. So"}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "she's legitimate."}, {"start": "02:06:15", "end": "02:06:21", "text": "Whoa."}, {"start": "02:06:17", "end": "02:06:24", "text": ">> Now the problem [laughter] is what"}, {"start": "02:06:21", "end": "02:06:27", "text": "happens when she tells her story. uh you"}, {"start": "02:06:24", "end": "02:06:31", "text": "know Steven Greer is a friend a nice"}, {"start": "02:06:27", "end": "02:06:35", "text": "person I've worked with him before but"}, {"start": "02:06:31", "end": "02:06:38", "text": "his his uh mentality regarding they"}, {"start": "02:06:35", "end": "02:06:41", "text": "can't be hostile they're all benevolent"}, {"start": "02:06:38", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "is absolutely out out the window and"}, {"start": "02:06:41", "end": "02:06:44", "text": "I've told him this to his face I said"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "Stephen you're relying on faulty"}, {"start": "02:06:44", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "information you're being misinformed and"}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:52", "text": "and I'm telling you from a listen to me"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:54", "text": "because I'm a counter intelligence"}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:57", "text": "officer people within your circle is are"}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:07:00", "text": "misinforming you because there are"}, {"start": "02:06:57", "end": "02:07:02", "text": "hostile extraterrestrials out there and"}, {"start": "02:07:00", "end": "02:07:04", "text": "that's the ones we have to worry about"}, {"start": "02:07:02", "end": "02:07:08", "text": ">> and you've seen this firsthand."}, {"start": "02:07:04", "end": "02:07:08", "text": ">> I've saw this firsthand."}, {"start": "02:07:09", "end": "02:07:11", "text": ">> I have so many questions that you can't"}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:13", "text": "answer."}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:15", "text": ">> Well, well,"}, {"start": "02:07:13", "end": "02:07:18", "text": "I've seen"}, {"start": "02:07:15", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "her sitting in front of me talking uh"}, {"start": "02:07:18", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "about this, you know, as far as"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "firsthand. No, we I wasn't there when"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "she was doing, you know, how this stuff"}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:27", "text": "was happening."}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:30", "text": ">> But you saw the surveillance images or"}, {"start": "02:07:27", "end": "02:07:33", "text": "sorry, the surveillance"}, {"start": "02:07:30", "end": "02:07:35", "text": "um apparatus, whatever that was. Um"}, {"start": "02:07:33", "end": "02:07:38", "text": "whether they filmed it or whether they I"}, {"start": "02:07:35", "end": "02:07:39", "text": "don't know, but you saw that."}, {"start": "02:07:38", "end": "02:07:41", "text": ">> I was involved with it. Yes."}, {"start": "02:07:39", "end": "02:07:44", "text": ">> You were involved with it with like"}, {"start": "02:07:41", "end": "02:07:45", "text": "setting up the surveillance."}, {"start": "02:07:44", "end": "02:07:49", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:07:45", "end": "02:07:51", "text": ">> And you had enough to go on."}, {"start": "02:07:49", "end": "02:07:53", "text": "First of all, how you knew that was"}, {"start": "02:07:51", "end": "02:07:54", "text": "going to happen is a whole other"}, {"start": "02:07:53", "end": "02:07:57", "text": "discussion that I'm sure you can't have."}, {"start": "02:07:54", "end": "02:07:57", "text": ">> No. And because I didn't know"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:07:59", "text": ">> what the protocol was,"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:07:59", "text": ">> the technical stuff,"}, {"start": "02:07:59", "end": "02:08:02", "text": ">> but they knew."}, {"start": "02:07:59", "end": "02:08:07", "text": ">> Yeah. We had Air Force, Intel, we had"}, {"start": "02:08:02", "end": "02:08:10", "text": "FBI, we had uh OSI, we had NSA,"}, {"start": "02:08:07", "end": "02:08:16", "text": "all part of this because"}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:18", "text": "the in order to if you can imagine uh in"}, {"start": "02:08:16", "end": "02:08:21", "text": "order to understand"}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:24", "text": "something that's alien to us, we have to"}, {"start": "02:08:21", "end": "02:08:28", "text": "have the top technical people within the"}, {"start": "02:08:24", "end": "02:08:31", "text": "NSA and and these other uh agencies"}, {"start": "02:08:28", "end": "02:08:34", "text": "involved to create something, to build"}, {"start": "02:08:31", "end": "02:08:36", "text": "something. Plus, there were contractors"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:39", "text": "involved in this, too."}, {"start": "02:08:36", "end": "02:08:42", "text": ">> So, this is a multi-pronged,"}, {"start": "02:08:39", "end": "02:08:44", "text": "multifaceted, multi-ep departmented"}, {"start": "02:08:42", "end": "02:08:47", "text": "sting operation"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "in order to capture this"}, {"start": "02:08:47", "end": "02:08:54", "text": "on some type of media that you can then"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:56", "text": "review."}, {"start": "02:08:54", "end": "02:08:59", "text": "And it was successful."}, {"start": "02:08:56", "end": "02:09:01", "text": "It was yes that was successful. There"}, {"start": "02:08:59", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "were some that weren't but that was what"}, {"start": "02:09:01", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "was successful."}, {"start": "02:09:04", "end": "02:09:09", "text": "Were obviously she was made aware and"}, {"start": "02:09:07", "end": "02:09:10", "text": "she was part of this operation."}, {"start": "02:09:09", "end": "02:09:13", "text": ">> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely."}, {"start": "02:09:10", "end": "02:09:15", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "02:09:13", "end": "02:09:16", "text": "I mean did you get to interview her"}, {"start": "02:09:15", "end": "02:09:19", "text": "after?"}, {"start": "02:09:16", "end": "02:09:21", "text": ">> Yeah. We thwarted the She didn't she"}, {"start": "02:09:19", "end": "02:09:22", "text": "wasn't abducted that that that night."}, {"start": "02:09:21", "end": "02:09:26", "text": ">> You thwarted it?"}, {"start": "02:09:22", "end": "02:09:30", "text": ">> Yeah. We prevented it based on all this"}, {"start": "02:09:26", "end": "02:09:33", "text": "stuff and we got her out and we got her"}, {"start": "02:09:30", "end": "02:09:36", "text": "to a safe location because"}, {"start": "02:09:33", "end": "02:09:39", "text": "there was always doubt"}, {"start": "02:09:36", "end": "02:09:41", "text": "not in my mind but"}, {"start": "02:09:39", "end": "02:09:43", "text": "other people's mind there was an FBI"}, {"start": "02:09:41", "end": "02:09:47", "text": "agent working on this and he he didn't"}, {"start": "02:09:43", "end": "02:09:49", "text": "believe words she said even after apolog"}, {"start": "02:09:47", "end": "02:09:54", "text": "he he was just I don't believe any of"}, {"start": "02:09:49", "end": "02:09:56", "text": "this stuff but after that night."}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:09:59", "text": "He sat in a I'm not exaggerating a bit."}, {"start": "02:09:56", "end": "02:10:01", "text": "He sat in a room when we had her at out"}, {"start": "02:09:59", "end": "02:10:03", "text": "at the base. It wasn't OSI office. It"}, {"start": "02:10:01", "end": "02:10:04", "text": "was a very sec another secure facility"}, {"start": "02:10:03", "end": "02:10:06", "text": "out at the base because we didn't know"}, {"start": "02:10:04", "end": "02:10:09", "text": "if this these things were coming after."}, {"start": "02:10:06", "end": "02:10:12", "text": "But we were in a protected area at the"}, {"start": "02:10:09", "end": "02:10:16", "text": "at the base. It was a Sandy laboratories"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:18", "text": "area and FBI agent sat in a room uh"}, {"start": "02:10:16", "end": "02:10:20", "text": "crying"}, {"start": "02:10:18", "end": "02:10:22", "text": "because he didn't he doubted her. He"}, {"start": "02:10:20", "end": "02:10:23", "text": "said, \"All these year, all this time,"}, {"start": "02:10:22", "end": "02:10:26", "text": "all these, you know, eight months or"}, {"start": "02:10:23", "end": "02:10:26", "text": "whatever it was, I doubted her and she's"}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:29", "text": "telling the truth.\""}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:33", "text": ">> So, she felt bad."}, {"start": "02:10:29", "end": "02:10:35", "text": ">> I see. I believed her. He didn't. He was"}, {"start": "02:10:33", "end": "02:10:36", "text": "always He was always skeptical about"}, {"start": "02:10:35", "end": "02:10:37", "text": "everything. This is"}, {"start": "02:10:36", "end": "02:10:42", "text": ">> rightfully so. I think that"}, {"start": "02:10:37", "end": "02:10:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Right. Rightfully so. And"}, {"start": "02:10:42", "end": "02:10:48", "text": "he had a lot of background. Um,"}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:53", "text": "you know, he was a U"}, {"start": "02:10:48", "end": "02:10:56", "text": "Vietnam vet. Uh, he was in a special uh"}, {"start": "02:10:53", "end": "02:10:57", "text": "or the steadius operations group. Uh, I"}, {"start": "02:10:56", "end": "02:10:59", "text": "don't know if you know what that is in"}, {"start": "02:10:57", "end": "02:11:01", "text": "Vietnam. The guys worked behind the"}, {"start": "02:10:59", "end": "02:11:04", "text": "lines, you know, they drop him off in"}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:06", "text": "Laos and, you know, for 100 days or"}, {"start": "02:11:04", "end": "02:11:08", "text": "whatever it was. I mean, he went through"}, {"start": "02:11:06", "end": "02:11:14", "text": "a lot this guy and and he is a tough,"}, {"start": "02:11:08", "end": "02:11:17", "text": "rugged FBI agent, but he had a, you"}, {"start": "02:11:14", "end": "02:11:19", "text": "know, he it changed him. It actually"}, {"start": "02:11:17", "end": "02:11:22", "text": "changed because I worked with him after"}, {"start": "02:11:19", "end": "02:11:25", "text": "that on other cases, including the uh"}, {"start": "02:11:22", "end": "02:11:29", "text": "Paul Benowitz's case, and um he was a"}, {"start": "02:11:25", "end": "02:11:33", "text": "different person as as I saw in other"}, {"start": "02:11:29", "end": "02:11:37", "text": "people who worked that operation. Uh"}, {"start": "02:11:33", "end": "02:11:37", "text": "they they"}, {"start": "02:11:37", "end": "02:11:44", "text": "I think a lot of them were scared."}, {"start": "02:11:41", "end": "02:11:44", "text": "I mean,"}, {"start": "02:11:45", "end": "02:11:53", "text": "if you see something that's literally"}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "out of this world and your mind can't"}, {"start": "02:11:53", "end": "02:11:58", "text": "comprehend it because if you if you go"}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:12:00", "text": "into something and you just like a"}, {"start": "02:11:58", "end": "02:12:03", "text": "child, they they did the experiments"}, {"start": "02:12:00", "end": "02:12:04", "text": "with child putting them in a hostile"}, {"start": "02:12:03", "end": "02:12:06", "text": "envir not a hostile environment, a"}, {"start": "02:12:04", "end": "02:12:08", "text": "strange envir. They can't comprehend,"}, {"start": "02:12:06", "end": "02:12:10", "text": "you know, and and humans are same, you"}, {"start": "02:12:08", "end": "02:12:14", "text": "know, we were the same way. We can't"}, {"start": "02:12:10", "end": "02:12:17", "text": "comprehend what we're seeing or how how"}, {"start": "02:12:14", "end": "02:12:19", "text": "we're going to rectify it when you"}, {"start": "02:12:17", "end": "02:12:22", "text": "you're you're given and regardless of"}, {"start": "02:12:19", "end": "02:12:24", "text": "the training because we went through a"}, {"start": "02:12:22", "end": "02:12:26", "text": "lot of training a really good training"}, {"start": "02:12:24", "end": "02:12:28", "text": "in the intelligence operations course. I"}, {"start": "02:12:26", "end": "02:12:29", "text": "mean, they would put you in a situation,"}, {"start": "02:12:28", "end": "02:12:31", "text": "not UFO situations or anything like"}, {"start": "02:12:29", "end": "02:12:34", "text": "that, but they would put you in"}, {"start": "02:12:31", "end": "02:12:36", "text": "situations where there's no no wind, but"}, {"start": "02:12:34", "end": "02:12:38", "text": "they made you go all the way up to the"}, {"start": "02:12:36", "end": "02:12:40", "text": "end and you you figure you're going to"}, {"start": "02:12:38", "end": "02:12:43", "text": "die, you know, in in the exercise or"}, {"start": "02:12:40", "end": "02:12:45", "text": "something, but they do this over and"}, {"start": "02:12:43", "end": "02:12:48", "text": "over and over and over again. Stress"}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:51", "text": "inoculation. Yeah, exactly. I was just"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:53", "text": "going to say stress inoculation. So,"}, {"start": "02:12:51", "end": "02:12:55", "text": "when you're out doing the job in the"}, {"start": "02:12:53", "end": "02:12:57", "text": "real field, nothing's going to bother"}, {"start": "02:12:55", "end": "02:13:00", "text": "you. nothing's going to scare you. But"}, {"start": "02:12:57", "end": "02:13:03", "text": "regardless, I mean, not much scares me."}, {"start": "02:13:00", "end": "02:13:06", "text": "Uh, but after that, seeing what I saw or"}, {"start": "02:13:03", "end": "02:13:08", "text": "listening to her tell her stories, you"}, {"start": "02:13:06", "end": "02:13:11", "text": "know, I'm thinking, \"Wow, sure. I hope"}, {"start": "02:13:08", "end": "02:13:14", "text": "that doesn't happen to my girlfriend or"}, {"start": "02:13:11", "end": "02:13:16", "text": "then I wasn't married or my mother or my"}, {"start": "02:13:14", "end": "02:13:19", "text": "sister.\" I mean, why are they picking on"}, {"start": "02:13:16", "end": "02:13:22", "text": "her? and you know all these that you"}, {"start": "02:13:19", "end": "02:13:24", "text": "worried about yourself"}, {"start": "02:13:22", "end": "02:13:27", "text": "and why why they pick her? That's the"}, {"start": "02:13:24", "end": "02:13:29", "text": "the question that I I don't know the the"}, {"start": "02:13:27", "end": "02:13:29", "text": "answer to. I'm sure maybe the government"}, {"start": "02:13:29", "end": "02:13:31", "text": "does."}, {"start": "02:13:29", "end": "02:13:32", "text": ">> Are they on here?"}, {"start": "02:13:31", "end": "02:13:34", "text": ">> Yeah, they're on there."}, {"start": "02:13:32", "end": "02:13:37", "text": ">> Which ones are they?"}, {"start": "02:13:34", "end": "02:13:40", "text": ">> Uh the hepoids,"}, {"start": "02:13:37", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "the uh I'm sorry, let me show you the"}, {"start": "02:13:40", "end": "02:13:45", "text": "insect ones. Quatilloids."}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:47", "text": ">> The ones that look like insects. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:13:45", "end": "02:13:50", "text": ">> those were the ones that were"}, {"start": "02:13:47", "end": "02:13:54", "text": ">> but this is a complicated part of it."}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:56", "text": "They are able to manipulate your"}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:13:57", "text": "observation of them. I mean"}, {"start": "02:13:56", "end": "02:13:59", "text": ">> sure"}, {"start": "02:13:57", "end": "02:14:02", "text": ">> they can manipulate mine."}, {"start": "02:13:59", "end": "02:14:05", "text": ">> Can they manipulate the camera?"}, {"start": "02:14:02", "end": "02:14:09", "text": ">> I don't know. Never thought of that."}, {"start": "02:14:05", "end": "02:14:11", "text": ">> So was there something that you saw in"}, {"start": "02:14:09", "end": "02:14:14", "text": "that operation?"}, {"start": "02:14:11", "end": "02:14:14", "text": ">> I can't talk about Okay. what I saw."}, {"start": "02:14:14", "end": "02:14:18", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "02:14:14", "end": "02:14:21", "text": ">> but I can tell you they they're real."}, {"start": "02:14:18", "end": "02:14:23", "text": ">> Can I Um,"}, {"start": "02:14:21", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "okay. So, they're not the the"}, {"start": "02:14:23", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "quadaloids, these ones."}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:28", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:29", "text": ">> the aliens, the insect humanoid types."}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:33", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:14:29", "end": "02:14:35", "text": ">> Um, it says they have a high IQ."}, {"start": "02:14:33", "end": "02:14:38", "text": "Why would something with a high IQ be so"}, {"start": "02:14:35", "end": "02:14:39", "text": "violent? That's trying to get inside an"}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:40", "text": "alien mind, and we can't do that."}, {"start": "02:14:39", "end": "02:14:42", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:14:40", "end": "02:14:43", "text": ">> I'm going to show you something. You can"}, {"start": "02:14:42", "end": "02:14:45", "text": "have this. This is yours."}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:50", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:14:45", "end": "02:14:50", "text": "I'm going to show you something. Um,"}, {"start": "02:14:52", "end": "02:14:55", "text": "okay."}, {"start": "02:14:57", "end": "02:15:00", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "02:14:59", "end": "02:15:01", "text": "Does that look like something you've"}, {"start": "02:15:00", "end": "02:15:03", "text": "seen before?"}, {"start": "02:15:01", "end": "02:15:07", "text": ">> I can't say."}, {"start": "02:15:03", "end": "02:15:07", "text": ">> I think you just did."}, {"start": "02:15:08", "end": "02:15:12", "text": "Was that"}, {"start": "02:15:09", "end": "02:15:13", "text": ">> in pictures in in a document? Not not"}, {"start": "02:15:12", "end": "02:15:15", "text": "not in real life."}, {"start": "02:15:13", "end": "02:15:18", "text": ">> Is that the same thing that was involved"}, {"start": "02:15:15", "end": "02:15:20", "text": "here or is that different?"}, {"start": "02:15:18", "end": "02:15:22", "text": ">> I better not say."}, {"start": "02:15:20", "end": "02:15:23", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:24", "text": ">> No, I'm not going to say."}, {"start": "02:15:23", "end": "02:15:26", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:15:24", "end": "02:15:30", "text": ">> Is that going to be on your air?"}, {"start": "02:15:26", "end": "02:15:30", "text": ">> Uh, that hasn't been made public."}, {"start": "02:15:30", "end": "02:15:31", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:15:30", "end": "02:15:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:15:31", "end": "02:15:35", "text": ">> You're going to make it public?"}, {"start": "02:15:32", "end": "02:15:36", "text": ">> Um, not anytime soon."}, {"start": "02:15:35", "end": "02:15:39", "text": ">> Okay. No, I better not say that."}, {"start": "02:15:36", "end": "02:15:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so if I didn't make it"}, {"start": "02:15:39", "end": "02:15:43", "text": "public, you could confirm or deny"}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:46", "text": ">> probably. Okay. Well,"}, {"start": "02:15:43", "end": "02:15:47", "text": ">> maybe one day."}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:49", "text": ">> Um, that's Should we take a break?"}, {"start": "02:15:47", "end": "02:15:50", "text": ">> Let's take a break. All right. That's a"}, {"start": "02:15:49", "end": "02:15:52", "text": "good time for a break."}, {"start": "02:15:50", "end": "02:15:55", "text": ">> Okay. I mean, we're to transition from"}, {"start": "02:15:52", "end": "02:15:58", "text": "something like that. It's just so"}, {"start": "02:15:55", "end": "02:16:02", "text": "jarring to hear that to I've never once"}, {"start": "02:15:58", "end": "02:16:04", "text": "heard of an abduction being thwarted. I"}, {"start": "02:16:02", "end": "02:16:08", "text": "think that's a new one for me. You know,"}, {"start": "02:16:04", "end": "02:16:10", "text": "I've um we we hear about abductions."}, {"start": "02:16:08", "end": "02:16:12", "text": "We hear about people trying to film them"}, {"start": "02:16:10", "end": "02:16:16", "text": "unsuccessfully. Something always goes"}, {"start": "02:16:12", "end": "02:16:18", "text": "wrong. Murphy's Law, some type of, you"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:19", "text": "know, whether that's people at"}, {"start": "02:16:18", "end": "02:16:24", "text": "Skinwalker Ranch filming stuff and"}, {"start": "02:16:19", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "things going haywire. And um but never"}, {"start": "02:16:24", "end": "02:16:28", "text": "had it occurred to me that you know"}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:31", "text": "other than the instances of people"}, {"start": "02:16:28", "end": "02:16:33", "text": "saying you know uh sort of the Lord's"}, {"start": "02:16:31", "end": "02:16:34", "text": "name or something like you hear about"}, {"start": "02:16:33", "end": "02:16:38", "text": "stories like that and that sort of fends"}, {"start": "02:16:34", "end": "02:16:38", "text": "them off. Is that is there any merit to"}, {"start": "02:16:38", "end": "02:16:40", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "02:16:38", "end": "02:16:44", "text": ">> Well there there [clears throat] was"}, {"start": "02:16:40", "end": "02:16:50", "text": "part of that she she was religious um"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:53", "text": "and she she wore uh St. Christopher's"}, {"start": "02:16:50", "end": "02:16:54", "text": "cross and but that didn't that didn't"}, {"start": "02:16:53", "end": "02:16:54", "text": "stop anything."}, {"start": "02:16:54", "end": "02:16:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:16:54", "end": "02:16:59", "text": ">> They they didn't seem to"}, {"start": "02:16:56", "end": "02:17:03", "text": ">> and there's a lot more. She she h she"}, {"start": "02:16:59", "end": "02:17:05", "text": "would argue uh with them. Uh this is in"}, {"start": "02:17:03", "end": "02:17:06", "text": "the beginning. Okay. We're going back"}, {"start": "02:17:05", "end": "02:17:07", "text": "months and months and months."}, {"start": "02:17:06", "end": "02:17:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:17:07", "end": "02:17:11", "text": ">> Uh when she first came to us,"}, {"start": "02:17:09", "end": "02:17:13", "text": ">> which"}, {"start": "02:17:11", "end": "02:17:15", "text": "we didn't believe her, I tell you the"}, {"start": "02:17:13", "end": "02:17:16", "text": "truth, we didn't believe her. Um she"}, {"start": "02:17:15", "end": "02:17:21", "text": "would tell us that she would have"}, {"start": "02:17:16", "end": "02:17:25", "text": "arguments with him uh because of God"}, {"start": "02:17:21", "end": "02:17:29", "text": "and um and they kept asking her who who"}, {"start": "02:17:25", "end": "02:17:33", "text": "is God who is God who is this human God"}, {"start": "02:17:29", "end": "02:17:36", "text": "and you know she couldn't explain"}, {"start": "02:17:33", "end": "02:17:40", "text": "uh so um"}, {"start": "02:17:36", "end": "02:17:43", "text": "but she would pray"}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:46", "text": "and afterwards she would say why are"}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:49", "text": "they doing this to me and again the"}, {"start": "02:17:46", "end": "02:17:51", "text": "government the air force um and"}, {"start": "02:17:49", "end": "02:17:53", "text": "[clears throat] let's let's say this the"}, {"start": "02:17:51", "end": "02:17:56", "text": "abduction started and she wasn't she"}, {"start": "02:17:53", "end": "02:18:01", "text": "didn't come to us right away she was"}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:03", "text": "going to uh the base uh hospital or the"}, {"start": "02:18:01", "end": "02:18:05", "text": "the sick call"}, {"start": "02:18:03", "end": "02:18:07", "text": ">> and she didn't know what it was she"}, {"start": "02:18:05", "end": "02:18:09", "text": "thought she was having dreams or you"}, {"start": "02:18:07", "end": "02:18:11", "text": "know what whatever it was but she was"}, {"start": "02:18:09", "end": "02:18:14", "text": "having you know fingernails were taken"}, {"start": "02:18:11", "end": "02:18:16", "text": "out well they thought they she was doing"}, {"start": "02:18:14", "end": "02:18:18", "text": "it to herself, you know, self"}, {"start": "02:18:16", "end": "02:18:22", "text": "mutilation."}, {"start": "02:18:18", "end": "02:18:26", "text": "Um, she was in a a very sensitive uh uh"}, {"start": "02:18:22", "end": "02:18:28", "text": "career field. Uh, and so they were"}, {"start": "02:18:26", "end": "02:18:33", "text": "careful. She had PRP, so they were very"}, {"start": "02:18:28", "end": "02:18:34", "text": "careful of that of what she claims"}, {"start": "02:18:33", "end": "02:18:38", "text": "happening to her."}, {"start": "02:18:34", "end": "02:18:40", "text": "So they took her off the job and put her"}, {"start": "02:18:38", "end": "02:18:44", "text": "in another in like an administrative"}, {"start": "02:18:40", "end": "02:18:46", "text": "office uh within her squadron and that"}, {"start": "02:18:44", "end": "02:18:49", "text": "upset her because you know she liked the"}, {"start": "02:18:46", "end": "02:18:52", "text": "job she was doing but these things were"}, {"start": "02:18:49", "end": "02:18:54", "text": "getting worse and worse. Finally, this"}, {"start": "02:18:52", "end": "02:18:58", "text": "doctor"}, {"start": "02:18:54", "end": "02:19:01", "text": "based uh physician who was an internist"}, {"start": "02:18:58", "end": "02:19:05", "text": "who had been co-opted by us because of"}, {"start": "02:19:01", "end": "02:19:07", "text": "other things um saw her and he"}, {"start": "02:19:05", "end": "02:19:10", "text": "immediately called us and that's how she"}, {"start": "02:19:07", "end": "02:19:13", "text": "became involved with the"}, {"start": "02:19:10", "end": "02:19:17", "text": "he said you need to interview this woman"}, {"start": "02:19:13", "end": "02:19:21", "text": "this girl this sergeant. Um I said okay."}, {"start": "02:19:17", "end": "02:19:24", "text": "So uh me and this uh female agent"}, {"start": "02:19:21", "end": "02:19:26", "text": "interviewed her and u she never"}, {"start": "02:19:24", "end": "02:19:28", "text": "mentioned aliens or anything like that."}, {"start": "02:19:26", "end": "02:19:31", "text": "Okay, nothing like that. She's saying"}, {"start": "02:19:28", "end": "02:19:34", "text": "this phenomena is occurring to her where"}, {"start": "02:19:31", "end": "02:19:37", "text": "somebody is taking her and doing all"}, {"start": "02:19:34", "end": "02:19:39", "text": "these things to her. Now at that at that"}, {"start": "02:19:37", "end": "02:19:41", "text": "time she was living on the base. She"}, {"start": "02:19:39", "end": "02:19:44", "text": "hadn't moved off the base yet. She's"}, {"start": "02:19:41", "end": "02:19:46", "text": "still living on the base. And I thought,"}, {"start": "02:19:44", "end": "02:19:49", "text": "well, you know, she lived in an all"}, {"start": "02:19:46", "end": "02:19:51", "text": "female back then. They weren't co-ed."}, {"start": "02:19:49", "end": "02:19:53", "text": "She she lived in a female dorm. That was"}, {"start": "02:19:51", "end": "02:19:56", "text": "the only females in there. And there"}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:19:58", "text": "security, you know, keeping the men out,"}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:19:58", "text": "so to speak. It was like a house mother."}, {"start": "02:19:58", "end": "02:20:02", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:19:58", "end": "02:20:03", "text": ">> sure. Um I said, \"Well, who's getting in"}, {"start": "02:20:02", "end": "02:20:05", "text": "your room? How how would they get in"}, {"start": "02:20:03", "end": "02:20:07", "text": "your room?\" \"I don't know.\" She says,"}, {"start": "02:20:05", "end": "02:20:09", "text": "\"You know, we just couldn't understand."}, {"start": "02:20:07", "end": "02:20:12", "text": "And why were they doing this to you?\" At"}, {"start": "02:20:09", "end": "02:20:13", "text": "at that point it was the fingernails and"}, {"start": "02:20:12", "end": "02:20:14", "text": "the toenails"}, {"start": "02:20:13", "end": "02:20:15", "text": ">> that were removed"}, {"start": "02:20:14", "end": "02:20:16", "text": ">> being removed."}, {"start": "02:20:15", "end": "02:20:18", "text": ">> All of them or just"}, {"start": "02:20:16", "end": "02:20:20", "text": ">> No, no, no. Just one or they would cut"}, {"start": "02:20:18", "end": "02:20:22", "text": "them"}, {"start": "02:20:20", "end": "02:20:25", "text": "and they would take one off and they"}, {"start": "02:20:22", "end": "02:20:28", "text": "they scrape the under under uh the the"}, {"start": "02:20:25", "end": "02:20:30", "text": "skin after the nail has been removed."}, {"start": "02:20:28", "end": "02:20:32", "text": "And so we, you know, we checked with the"}, {"start": "02:20:30", "end": "02:20:36", "text": "bay. Why? Why would anybody be? Maybe"}, {"start": "02:20:32", "end": "02:20:37", "text": "somebody had a fetish. Uh there were"}, {"start": "02:20:36", "end": "02:20:38", "text": "perverts,"}, {"start": "02:20:37", "end": "02:20:42", "text": ">> deviant behavior."}, {"start": "02:20:38", "end": "02:20:44", "text": ">> Deviant behavior. Some guy liked uh"}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:46", "text": "toenails. And what what you know and and"}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:49", "text": "we had all sorts of I mean we had our"}, {"start": "02:20:46", "end": "02:20:51", "text": "own sex on the OSI remember had a"}, {"start": "02:20:49", "end": "02:20:53", "text": "investigative side, a criminal"}, {"start": "02:20:51", "end": "02:20:55", "text": "investigation side. These guys"}, {"start": "02:20:53", "end": "02:20:58", "text": "investigated rapes. We you know get"}, {"start": "02:20:55", "end": "02:20:59", "text": "those experts in. I have no idea. I"}, {"start": "02:20:58", "end": "02:21:02", "text": "never heard of that. You know, you know,"}, {"start": "02:20:59", "end": "02:21:04", "text": "guys have, you know, people have"}, {"start": "02:21:02", "end": "02:21:06", "text": "fetishes and and perversions, but"}, {"start": "02:21:04", "end": "02:21:08", "text": "nothing about moving nails or anything"}, {"start": "02:21:06", "end": "02:21:13", "text": "like that. So, we couldn't figure it"}, {"start": "02:21:08", "end": "02:21:15", "text": "out, you know, and so then it would go,"}, {"start": "02:21:13", "end": "02:21:18", "text": "you know, four or five months and"}, {"start": "02:21:15", "end": "02:21:21", "text": "nothing and then it would happen again."}, {"start": "02:21:18", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "And like I said, initially was just"}, {"start": "02:21:21", "end": "02:21:28", "text": "fingernails. Uh she did have her at one"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:31", "text": "point her eard drum punctured"}, {"start": "02:21:28", "end": "02:21:34", "text": "her her right eard drum and then uh then"}, {"start": "02:21:31", "end": "02:21:37", "text": "it started getting worse. Then she went"}, {"start": "02:21:34", "end": "02:21:39", "text": "in one night to the emergency room the"}, {"start": "02:21:37", "end": "02:21:42", "text": "base hospital emergency room. She's"}, {"start": "02:21:39", "end": "02:21:46", "text": "bleeding from the vaginal area."}, {"start": "02:21:42", "end": "02:21:49", "text": "Uh, she had holes"}, {"start": "02:21:46", "end": "02:21:54", "text": "poked between her on her left foot,"}, {"start": "02:21:49", "end": "02:21:57", "text": "between her big toe and her first toe,"}, {"start": "02:21:54", "end": "02:21:59", "text": "like somebody put a rod in there, but it"}, {"start": "02:21:57", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "wasn't bleeding."}, {"start": "02:21:59", "end": "02:22:05", "text": "So, you know, the guy in the emergency"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:07", "text": "room, of course, he's just a regular"}, {"start": "02:22:05", "end": "02:22:09", "text": "doctor. He couldn't figure it out. He"}, {"start": "02:22:07", "end": "02:22:12", "text": "calls OSI, the criminal people, because"}, {"start": "02:22:09", "end": "02:22:13", "text": "he said she'd been raped. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:22:12", "end": "02:22:16", "text": ">> So they went through the whole rape"}, {"start": "02:22:13", "end": "02:22:20", "text": "protocol and call in a gynecologist and"}, {"start": "02:22:16", "end": "02:22:23", "text": ">> the gynecologist said"}, {"start": "02:22:20", "end": "02:22:26", "text": "no, she didn't have sex. Somebody"}, {"start": "02:22:23", "end": "02:22:28", "text": "inserted something into her vaginary."}, {"start": "02:22:26", "end": "02:22:31", "text": "So at that time they admitted her"}, {"start": "02:22:28", "end": "02:22:33", "text": "because they were thoroughly convinced"}, {"start": "02:22:31", "end": "02:22:35", "text": "she was doing this to herself. Self"}, {"start": "02:22:33", "end": "02:22:37", "text": "mutilation."}, {"start": "02:22:35", "end": "02:22:41", "text": "So she was in a hospital for I don't"}, {"start": "02:22:37", "end": "02:22:43", "text": "know how long. And we interviewed her,"}, {"start": "02:22:41", "end": "02:22:45", "text": "I think twice, maybe three times while"}, {"start": "02:22:43", "end": "02:22:46", "text": "she was in the hospital. And she was so"}, {"start": "02:22:45", "end": "02:22:48", "text": "upset because she said, \"I'm not doing"}, {"start": "02:22:46", "end": "02:22:50", "text": "it to myself. I'm not doing it to"}, {"start": "02:22:48", "end": "02:22:54", "text": "myself.\" So then she they sent her down"}, {"start": "02:22:50", "end": "02:22:56", "text": "to um"}, {"start": "02:22:54", "end": "02:22:58", "text": "uh Shephard Air Force Base in Witchaw"}, {"start": "02:22:56", "end": "02:23:01", "text": "Falls. That's the Air Force Psychiatric"}, {"start": "02:22:58", "end": "02:23:04", "text": "Hospital down there. So they sent her"}, {"start": "02:23:01", "end": "02:23:07", "text": "down there to be thoroughly evaluated"}, {"start": "02:23:04", "end": "02:23:08", "text": "because they're saying she's nuts. So, I"}, {"start": "02:23:07", "end": "02:23:12", "text": "don't know how I don't remember how long"}, {"start": "02:23:08", "end": "02:23:13", "text": "she was down there, but a while. I you"}, {"start": "02:23:12", "end": "02:23:16", "text": "know, a couple months or something."}, {"start": "02:23:13", "end": "02:23:17", "text": "Anyway, she comes back because the"}, {"start": "02:23:16", "end": "02:23:20", "text": "psychiatrist says there's nothing wrong"}, {"start": "02:23:17", "end": "02:23:23", "text": "with her. She's not do that. In fact, I"}, {"start": "02:23:20", "end": "02:23:26", "text": "read the psych psychiatric report from"}, {"start": "02:23:23", "end": "02:23:32", "text": "this uh psychiatrist. In fact, we had"}, {"start": "02:23:26", "end": "02:23:34", "text": "OSI at uh uh Shepard Air Force Base go"}, {"start": "02:23:32", "end": "02:23:36", "text": "talk to this psych psychiatrist who"}, {"start": "02:23:34", "end": "02:23:37", "text": "wrote this example. make sure that he"}, {"start": "02:23:36", "end": "02:23:41", "text": "was like"}, {"start": "02:23:37", "end": "02:23:43", "text": ">> it was a sound she or she and she said"}, {"start": "02:23:41", "end": "02:23:45", "text": "she's not doing it to herself. It's not"}, {"start": "02:23:43", "end": "02:23:47", "text": "self mutilation."}, {"start": "02:23:45", "end": "02:23:51", "text": "Some outside entity is doing this. This"}, {"start": "02:23:47", "end": "02:23:54", "text": "is in in her report. And so we get it"}, {"start": "02:23:51", "end": "02:23:56", "text": "back and and I thought, wow. Well, then"}, {"start": "02:23:54", "end": "02:23:57", "text": "we thinking, well, she has a boyfriend"}, {"start": "02:23:56", "end": "02:24:00", "text": "that she doesn't and they're"}, {"start": "02:23:57", "end": "02:24:03", "text": "experimenting doing, you know,"}, {"start": "02:24:00", "end": "02:24:09", "text": ">> goofy things each other, you know. Um"}, {"start": "02:24:03", "end": "02:24:13", "text": "because in some uh relationships uh uh"}, {"start": "02:24:09", "end": "02:24:16", "text": "gay or even even heterero uh insertion"}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:18", "text": "of something into the cavities it can be"}, {"start": "02:24:16", "end": "02:24:20", "text": "you know a game or something. So we kind"}, {"start": "02:24:18", "end": "02:24:23", "text": "of thought that and we we brought her in"}, {"start": "02:24:20", "end": "02:24:25", "text": "for an interview and we and she admitted"}, {"start": "02:24:23", "end": "02:24:27", "text": "having a boyfriend having sex. She"}, {"start": "02:24:25", "end": "02:24:32", "text": "wasn't a virgin or anything like that,"}, {"start": "02:24:27", "end": "02:24:34", "text": "but her boyfriend uh belonged to this uh"}, {"start": "02:24:32", "end": "02:24:37", "text": "uh squadron. Um I can't remember the"}, {"start": "02:24:34", "end": "02:24:39", "text": "name of the that left"}, {"start": "02:24:37", "end": "02:24:41", "text": "went TDY or temporary duty all the time."}, {"start": "02:24:39", "end": "02:24:43", "text": "I mean, he he'd come back for a while"}, {"start": "02:24:41", "end": "02:24:44", "text": "and he'd go I think he installed"}, {"start": "02:24:43", "end": "02:24:48", "text": "equipment or something like that."}, {"start": "02:24:44", "end": "02:24:50", "text": "Anyways, so then we interviewed him. He"}, {"start": "02:24:48", "end": "02:24:53", "text": "didn't do anything like that. We made"}, {"start": "02:24:50", "end": "02:24:57", "text": "him do a polygraph. I mean, no, he never"}, {"start": "02:24:53", "end": "02:24:59", "text": "hurt her. He never harmed her. Um but he"}, {"start": "02:24:57", "end": "02:25:02", "text": "said"}, {"start": "02:24:59", "end": "02:25:06", "text": "he said at night, you know, she he would"}, {"start": "02:25:02", "end": "02:25:08", "text": "spend a night with her and um you know,"}, {"start": "02:25:06", "end": "02:25:11", "text": "after sex or something and then he go to"}, {"start": "02:25:08", "end": "02:25:13", "text": "sleep, but she'd she'd talk in her sleep"}, {"start": "02:25:11", "end": "02:25:16", "text": "or she'd scream in her sleep"}, {"start": "02:25:13", "end": "02:25:19", "text": "or she'd wake up"}, {"start": "02:25:16", "end": "02:25:22", "text": "uh and and yell and scream. many times"}, {"start": "02:25:19", "end": "02:25:24", "text": "he said this happened and he thought"}, {"start": "02:25:22", "end": "02:25:26", "text": "well somebody's in here or somebody's"}, {"start": "02:25:24", "end": "02:25:28", "text": "now he was going to her dorm room and"}, {"start": "02:25:26", "end": "02:25:29", "text": "you not supposed to happen you know so"}, {"start": "02:25:28", "end": "02:25:32", "text": "he thought that maybe somebody was"}, {"start": "02:25:29", "end": "02:25:33", "text": "trying to catch him doing something and"}, {"start": "02:25:32", "end": "02:25:35", "text": "that's one reason why they move she"}, {"start": "02:25:33", "end": "02:25:38", "text": "moved off base but well she made"}, {"start": "02:25:35", "end": "02:25:41", "text": "sergeant moved off base so these all"}, {"start": "02:25:38", "end": "02:25:46", "text": "things all these factors are building up"}, {"start": "02:25:41", "end": "02:25:48", "text": "and building up so um we we had we're at"}, {"start": "02:25:46", "end": "02:25:50", "text": "the point we don't really know what to"}, {"start": "02:25:48", "end": "02:25:52", "text": "do when so finally we asked her to take"}, {"start": "02:25:50", "end": "02:25:56", "text": "a polygraph"}, {"start": "02:25:52", "end": "02:25:59", "text": "and she took a polygraph she passed it"}, {"start": "02:25:56", "end": "02:26:02", "text": "and then we had to take now this is"}, {"start": "02:25:59", "end": "02:26:05", "text": "something I can't go in a great deal to"}, {"start": "02:26:02", "end": "02:26:08", "text": "deal with but we have this uh"}, {"start": "02:26:05", "end": "02:26:11", "text": "intelligence service has this hypnotic"}, {"start": "02:26:08", "end": "02:26:13", "text": "polygraph system that very very rarely"}, {"start": "02:26:11", "end": "02:26:16", "text": "is used where you put somebody on your"}, {"start": "02:26:13", "end": "02:26:19", "text": "hypnosis and you polygraph them. Okay."}, {"start": "02:26:16", "end": "02:26:21", "text": "And it the technique I can't go into."}, {"start": "02:26:19", "end": "02:26:24", "text": "I'm not a polygraph examiner, but"}, {"start": "02:26:21", "end": "02:26:26", "text": "there's certain people that have to do"}, {"start": "02:26:24", "end": "02:26:28", "text": "this. I mean, the just can't be a"}, {"start": "02:26:26", "end": "02:26:31", "text": "regular polygraph examiner. And most of"}, {"start": "02:26:28", "end": "02:26:34", "text": "ours were psychologists. Okay. Anyways,"}, {"start": "02:26:31", "end": "02:26:35", "text": "she went through that and and passed"}, {"start": "02:26:34", "end": "02:26:38", "text": "because"}, {"start": "02:26:35", "end": "02:26:40", "text": "according to them, not me, but according"}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:42", "text": "to them, when you're in hypnosis, you"}, {"start": "02:26:40", "end": "02:26:44", "text": "can't lie."}, {"start": "02:26:42", "end": "02:26:46", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "02:26:44", "end": "02:26:48", "text": "that you you can't"}, {"start": "02:26:46", "end": "02:26:49", "text": "You can't uh cheat a polygraph."}, {"start": "02:26:48", "end": "02:26:50", "text": ">> You can't cheat a polygraph. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:26:49", "end": "02:26:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:26:50", "end": "02:26:56", "text": ">> So that sent the flag up and in and"}, {"start": "02:26:54", "end": "02:27:00", "text": "headquarters and everybody in DIA and"}, {"start": "02:26:56", "end": "02:27:02", "text": "that's when the full wrath"}, {"start": "02:27:00", "end": "02:27:05", "text": "of the government came in on her side."}, {"start": "02:27:02", "end": "02:27:06", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "02:27:05", "end": "02:27:09", "text": "And then that's where the sting"}, {"start": "02:27:06", "end": "02:27:12", "text": "operation began to get set up. Did they"}, {"start": "02:27:09", "end": "02:27:14", "text": "already have a protocol in place that"}, {"start": "02:27:12", "end": "02:27:16", "text": "they were going to act on?"}, {"start": "02:27:14", "end": "02:27:17", "text": ">> Yeah. So they already had something that"}, {"start": "02:27:16", "end": "02:27:18", "text": "was like kind of field tested."}, {"start": "02:27:17", "end": "02:27:20", "text": ">> Yeah. But I don't know anything about"}, {"start": "02:27:18", "end": "02:27:20", "text": "that. I was never involved in any of"}, {"start": "02:27:20", "end": "02:27:22", "text": "that."}, {"start": "02:27:20", "end": "02:27:23", "text": ">> Sure. But they came in. All right."}, {"start": "02:27:22", "end": "02:27:25", "text": "Here's what we're going to do. We're"}, {"start": "02:27:23", "end": "02:27:29", "text": "going to set this up and do this this"}, {"start": "02:27:25", "end": "02:27:30", "text": "way. Briefed her on that and then"}, {"start": "02:27:29", "end": "02:27:33", "text": "and then it [clears throat] happened."}, {"start": "02:27:30", "end": "02:27:35", "text": ">> Well, let me go back a little bit."}, {"start": "02:27:33", "end": "02:27:37", "text": ">> Uh, one of the things they wanted when"}, {"start": "02:27:35", "end": "02:27:40", "text": "she she moved to off base apartment. It"}, {"start": "02:27:37", "end": "02:27:42", "text": "was just outside the base that that that"}, {"start": "02:27:40", "end": "02:27:44", "text": "a quarter mile out out the basin"}, {"start": "02:27:42", "end": "02:27:49", "text": "apartment complex."}, {"start": "02:27:44", "end": "02:27:51", "text": "uh they wanted us to place um"}, {"start": "02:27:49", "end": "02:27:53", "text": "covert"}, {"start": "02:27:51", "end": "02:27:56", "text": "uh devices in in the place. Now we don't"}, {"start": "02:27:53", "end": "02:27:57", "text": "do that. We have a technical service"}, {"start": "02:27:56", "end": "02:27:58", "text": "people that do that. There's ways"}, {"start": "02:27:57", "end": "02:28:00", "text": ">> without her knowing."}, {"start": "02:27:58", "end": "02:28:02", "text": ">> Without her knowing."}, {"start": "02:28:00", "end": "02:28:03", "text": ">> Do you think if she knew it wouldn't"}, {"start": "02:28:02", "end": "02:28:05", "text": "work?"}, {"start": "02:28:03", "end": "02:28:07", "text": ">> Well, they they do. They did. They think"}, {"start": "02:28:05", "end": "02:28:09", "text": "that's the way they think"}, {"start": "02:28:07", "end": "02:28:12", "text": ">> that that like if she knew they knew."}, {"start": "02:28:09", "end": "02:28:15", "text": ">> Yeah. But it's it's it's a divi it's a"}, {"start": "02:28:12", "end": "02:28:18", "text": "device that we can't ever use this in"}, {"start": "02:28:15", "end": "02:28:20", "text": "court. We can't use it against her in"}, {"start": "02:28:18", "end": "02:28:21", "text": "any kind of administrative. It's"}, {"start": "02:28:20", "end": "02:28:24", "text": "something that we're going to collect"}, {"start": "02:28:21", "end": "02:28:27", "text": "and keep and never tell her. Okay? Now,"}, {"start": "02:28:24", "end": "02:28:29", "text": "we do that a lot in a lot of cases in"}, {"start": "02:28:27", "end": "02:28:31", "text": "FISA warrants. If they're noncriminal"}, {"start": "02:28:29", "end": "02:28:33", "text": "FISA warrants, if I get a FISA warrant"}, {"start": "02:28:31", "end": "02:28:35", "text": "for your house, I'll place bugs in"}, {"start": "02:28:33", "end": "02:28:37", "text": "there, but it's only for counter"}, {"start": "02:28:35", "end": "02:28:37", "text": "intelligence collection. I'll I'll go"}, {"start": "02:28:37", "end": "02:28:38", "text": "and get"}, {"start": "02:28:37", "end": "02:28:40", "text": ">> Could never be used"}, {"start": "02:28:38", "end": "02:28:43", "text": ">> never being used in court. We go to a"}, {"start": "02:28:40", "end": "02:28:46", "text": "federal court and get a criminal warrant"}, {"start": "02:28:43", "end": "02:28:47", "text": "then that can be used against you."}, {"start": "02:28:46", "end": "02:28:49", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. Wire taps and"}, {"start": "02:28:47", "end": "02:28:54", "text": ">> wire taps and stuff. Yeah. Title threes,"}, {"start": "02:28:49", "end": "02:28:56", "text": "fours or fives. Anyways, so we we did"}, {"start": "02:28:54", "end": "02:28:58", "text": "that. We did what headquarters wanted us"}, {"start": "02:28:56", "end": "02:29:00", "text": "to do or OSI technicals."}, {"start": "02:28:58", "end": "02:29:04", "text": ">> And this is uh video and audio"}, {"start": "02:29:00", "end": "02:29:08", "text": "recording. Uh, no it's just uh I think"}, {"start": "02:29:04", "end": "02:29:11", "text": "it's uh just audio first. I think it was"}, {"start": "02:29:08", "end": "02:29:14", "text": "just audio. I don't video came later but"}, {"start": "02:29:11", "end": "02:29:16", "text": "I think it was just audio initially and"}, {"start": "02:29:14", "end": "02:29:19", "text": "I think they they put in uh something"}, {"start": "02:29:16", "end": "02:29:23", "text": "else later but anyways the audio uh"}, {"start": "02:29:19", "end": "02:29:24", "text": "recorded everything uh and and well I"}, {"start": "02:29:23", "end": "02:29:26", "text": "can't go into details"}, {"start": "02:29:24", "end": "02:29:29", "text": ">> but you can hear the beings."}, {"start": "02:29:26", "end": "02:29:31", "text": ">> You can hear voices. You can hear voices"}, {"start": "02:29:29", "end": "02:29:32", "text": "more than"}, {"start": "02:29:31", "end": "02:29:34", "text": ">> more than one."}, {"start": "02:29:32", "end": "02:29:34", "text": ">> Male, female,"}, {"start": "02:29:34", "end": "02:29:35", "text": ">> um,"}, {"start": "02:29:34", "end": "02:29:37", "text": ">> indistinguishable."}, {"start": "02:29:35", "end": "02:29:40", "text": ">> Undistinguishable. I don't I you know, I"}, {"start": "02:29:37", "end": "02:29:41", "text": "only heard a small portion, maybe 10."}, {"start": "02:29:40", "end": "02:29:42", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. What was that like hearing"}, {"start": "02:29:41", "end": "02:29:43", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "02:29:42", "end": "02:29:44", "text": ">> Well, it"}, {"start": "02:29:43", "end": "02:29:46", "text": ">> is that frightening."}, {"start": "02:29:44", "end": "02:29:48", "text": ">> Yeah, because it was echoing. It was"}, {"start": "02:29:46", "end": "02:29:50", "text": "like It was like somebody was talking"}, {"start": "02:29:48", "end": "02:29:52", "text": "through one of those uh you know those"}, {"start": "02:29:50", "end": "02:29:54", "text": "uh cheerleader."}, {"start": "02:29:52", "end": "02:29:57", "text": ">> No, just a cheerleader uh"}, {"start": "02:29:54", "end": "02:29:59", "text": ">> you know cone. the phone, the old time"}, {"start": "02:29:57", "end": "02:30:01", "text": "cheerleader, not not the electric ones,"}, {"start": "02:29:59", "end": "02:30:04", "text": ">> like a tin cany sort of voice."}, {"start": "02:30:01", "end": "02:30:07", "text": ">> Exactly. Yeah, that's a good good point."}, {"start": "02:30:04", "end": "02:30:09", "text": "And um and then of course they analyzed"}, {"start": "02:30:07", "end": "02:30:11", "text": "all that the the pe the tech people. I"}, {"start": "02:30:09", "end": "02:30:14", "text": "didn't do any of that. And then later"}, {"start": "02:30:11", "end": "02:30:16", "text": "they put put the the the camera in, but"}, {"start": "02:30:14", "end": "02:30:19", "text": "it verified everything everything she"}, {"start": "02:30:16", "end": "02:30:21", "text": "was telling us is there."}, {"start": "02:30:19", "end": "02:30:23", "text": ">> And that's why"}, {"start": "02:30:21", "end": "02:30:25", "text": "there's a lot of other steps that were"}, {"start": "02:30:23", "end": "02:30:27", "text": "taken. A lot of other people came in, a"}, {"start": "02:30:25", "end": "02:30:28", "text": "lot of other equipment was used and you"}, {"start": "02:30:27", "end": "02:30:29", "text": "know sources and methods and I'm not"}, {"start": "02:30:28", "end": "02:30:32", "text": "going to go into"}, {"start": "02:30:29", "end": "02:30:35", "text": ">> how clear was that footage."}, {"start": "02:30:32", "end": "02:30:37", "text": ">> Um I never saw video. I saw only the"}, {"start": "02:30:35", "end": "02:30:37", "text": "audio. I heard the audio. I didn't see"}, {"start": "02:30:37", "end": "02:30:38", "text": "the video."}, {"start": "02:30:37", "end": "02:30:41", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:30:38", "end": "02:30:44", "text": ">> But the audio was very convincing to me."}, {"start": "02:30:41", "end": "02:30:48", "text": ">> There was more. The thing about it is"}, {"start": "02:30:44", "end": "02:30:50", "text": "it was like she was in a room"}, {"start": "02:30:48", "end": "02:30:54", "text": "full of people with these talking"}, {"start": "02:30:50", "end": "02:30:56", "text": "through cones. It wasn't just one voice."}, {"start": "02:30:54", "end": "02:30:57", "text": "And I I thought, well, at first,"}, {"start": "02:30:56", "end": "02:31:00", "text": ">> they're speaking English."}, {"start": "02:30:57", "end": "02:31:02", "text": ">> English. Yeah. Speaking"}, {"start": "02:31:00", "end": "02:31:06", "text": ">> broken English. How clear was it?"}, {"start": "02:31:02", "end": "02:31:07", "text": ">> As clear English as you and I speak or"}, {"start": "02:31:06", "end": "02:31:12", "text": "you speak, maybe I don't Whoa."}, {"start": "02:31:07", "end": "02:31:15", "text": ">> No, it's it's it was English. And well,"}, {"start": "02:31:12", "end": "02:31:18", "text": "let me go back."}, {"start": "02:31:15", "end": "02:31:21", "text": "We what we uh after we put the bug in"}, {"start": "02:31:18", "end": "02:31:24", "text": "and we heard this, they wanted us to go"}, {"start": "02:31:21", "end": "02:31:26", "text": "in and do a surreptitious search for any"}, {"start": "02:31:24", "end": "02:31:29", "text": "recording devices. Okay, so they hear"}, {"start": "02:31:26", "end": "02:31:31", "text": "the voices. Okay, she's making them up."}, {"start": "02:31:29", "end": "02:31:33", "text": "She has a tape recorder or something,"}, {"start": "02:31:31", "end": "02:31:38", "text": "you know, something. Okay, so we did"}, {"start": "02:31:33", "end": "02:31:41", "text": "well, not me, but OSI did. You know, our"}, {"start": "02:31:38", "end": "02:31:43", "text": "experts went in and they can go in and"}, {"start": "02:31:41", "end": "02:31:44", "text": "put everything back. If this was like"}, {"start": "02:31:43", "end": "02:31:46", "text": "this, they'll put it back. you know,"}, {"start": "02:31:44", "end": "02:31:47", "text": "they'll take pictures of everything. And"}, {"start": "02:31:46", "end": "02:31:50", "text": "they went in and they didn't find it."}, {"start": "02:31:47", "end": "02:31:53", "text": "They She had a uh a real toreal, one of"}, {"start": "02:31:50", "end": "02:31:57", "text": "these old Sony Realtore tape recorders."}, {"start": "02:31:53", "end": "02:31:58", "text": "Yeah. Like that. And And that's it. She"}, {"start": "02:31:57", "end": "02:32:02", "text": "And she had a radio, you know, regular"}, {"start": "02:31:58", "end": "02:32:05", "text": "uh radio uh AMFM radio, but she didn't"}, {"start": "02:32:02", "end": "02:32:09", "text": "have anything else in there. But this,"}, {"start": "02:32:05", "end": "02:32:11", "text": "they took the tapes and listened. It was"}, {"start": "02:32:09", "end": "02:32:12", "text": "recording. It wasn't projecting"}, {"start": "02:32:11", "end": "02:32:14", "text": "anything. She didn't have anything to"}, {"start": "02:32:12", "end": "02:32:15", "text": "project the the audio, you know, you"}, {"start": "02:32:14", "end": "02:32:17", "text": "know the"}, {"start": "02:32:15", "end": "02:32:19", "text": ">> she was trying to record herself."}, {"start": "02:32:17", "end": "02:32:22", "text": ">> Yeah. No, she wasn't doing anything."}, {"start": "02:32:19", "end": "02:32:24", "text": ">> She wasn't using that at all."}, {"start": "02:32:22", "end": "02:32:27", "text": ">> So, they you know, we sent that up to"}, {"start": "02:32:24", "end": "02:32:29", "text": "headquarters. They saying h you know,"}, {"start": "02:32:27", "end": "02:32:31", "text": "these voices are English. You know, they"}, {"start": "02:32:29", "end": "02:32:33", "text": "everybody's thinking alien English"}, {"start": "02:32:31", "end": "02:32:35", "text": "human. Uh why is she why are they"}, {"start": "02:32:33", "end": "02:32:36", "text": "talking English to her? You know, why"}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:38", "text": "are they doing it through her mind? and"}, {"start": "02:32:36", "end": "02:32:40", "text": "all these things, questions that people"}, {"start": "02:32:38", "end": "02:32:42", "text": "that I would be asking too."}, {"start": "02:32:40", "end": "02:32:45", "text": ">> And because when I first heard that"}, {"start": "02:32:42", "end": "02:32:47", "text": "small portion of I thought"}, {"start": "02:32:45", "end": "02:32:48", "text": ">> she said an orgy. That's what it kind of"}, {"start": "02:32:47", "end": "02:32:49", "text": "sound like."}, {"start": "02:32:48", "end": "02:32:50", "text": ">> What did they say?"}, {"start": "02:32:49", "end": "02:32:53", "text": ">> They were telling her things, telling"}, {"start": "02:32:50", "end": "02:32:55", "text": "her to do things like lift your arm,"}, {"start": "02:32:53", "end": "02:32:56", "text": "spread your legs,"}, {"start": "02:32:55", "end": "02:32:59", "text": ">> things like that. Oh my gosh. Lift your"}, {"start": "02:32:56", "end": "02:33:01", "text": "arm. Oh, they I forgot they they did"}, {"start": "02:32:59", "end": "02:33:03", "text": "things in her armpits, too. Uh I forgot"}, {"start": "02:33:01", "end": "02:33:04", "text": "that I they did that"}, {"start": "02:33:03", "end": "02:33:07", "text": ">> they were doing this in her room."}, {"start": "02:33:04", "end": "02:33:10", "text": ">> In her room? Oh, no. They well yeah"}, {"start": "02:33:07", "end": "02:33:13", "text": "initially in a room. Now"}, {"start": "02:33:10", "end": "02:33:15", "text": "here's I can't go into a lot of details"}, {"start": "02:33:13", "end": "02:33:18", "text": "but"}, {"start": "02:33:15", "end": "02:33:22", "text": "this is before"}, {"start": "02:33:18", "end": "02:33:25", "text": "she was taken someplace. Okay. So she"}, {"start": "02:33:22", "end": "02:33:28", "text": "everything up to that point was done"}, {"start": "02:33:25", "end": "02:33:30", "text": "there either in her room on the base or"}, {"start": "02:33:28", "end": "02:33:33", "text": "dorm room in her bedroom on the base or"}, {"start": "02:33:30", "end": "02:33:35", "text": "the apartment upstairs in the bedroom."}, {"start": "02:33:33", "end": "02:33:38", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:33:35", "end": "02:33:42", "text": "after we did what we did, after we, you"}, {"start": "02:33:38", "end": "02:33:44", "text": "know, interviewed her, uh, because we we"}, {"start": "02:33:42", "end": "02:33:45", "text": "eventually said, \"Listen, listen to this"}, {"start": "02:33:44", "end": "02:33:46", "text": "tape.\""}, {"start": "02:33:45", "end": "02:33:48", "text": ">> Oh, we've recorded you."}, {"start": "02:33:46", "end": "02:33:50", "text": ">> We recorded you. And I said, well, first"}, {"start": "02:33:48", "end": "02:33:52", "text": "of all, we said, \"Listen, we're"}, {"start": "02:33:50", "end": "02:33:54", "text": "investigating this and we did something"}, {"start": "02:33:52", "end": "02:33:58", "text": "and we want to tell you about it.\" Well,"}, {"start": "02:33:54", "end": "02:34:00", "text": "she kind of figured out something. She's"}, {"start": "02:33:58", "end": "02:34:02", "text": "smart and and I said, \"Listen to this.\""}, {"start": "02:34:00", "end": "02:34:06", "text": "And she listened. She said, \"Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "02:34:02", "end": "02:34:10", "text": "That was them. I said,"}, {"start": "02:34:06", "end": "02:34:12", "text": "and and dumb me, dumb dumb dumb uh uh"}, {"start": "02:34:10", "end": "02:34:14", "text": "person like me. Well, not dumb, but why"}, {"start": "02:34:12", "end": "02:34:17", "text": "are they speaking in English? I asked"}, {"start": "02:34:14", "end": "02:34:19", "text": "her. She says, I don't know. Ask them."}, {"start": "02:34:17", "end": "02:34:21", "text": "You know, I don't know why they were,"}, {"start": "02:34:19", "end": "02:34:23", "text": "you know, why are they speaking in"}, {"start": "02:34:21", "end": "02:34:26", "text": "English? She says, I said, they always"}, {"start": "02:34:23", "end": "02:34:28", "text": "speak in English. She said, yeah. I"}, {"start": "02:34:26", "end": "02:34:30", "text": "said, she said, I don't understand"}, {"start": "02:34:28", "end": "02:34:32", "text": "alien. Why would they? Well, I"}, {"start": "02:34:30", "end": "02:34:35", "text": "understand that, but I'm I'm I was"}, {"start": "02:34:32", "end": "02:34:39", "text": "saying why are they uh verbally saying"}, {"start": "02:34:35", "end": "02:34:41", "text": "that and not maybe in your mind like"}, {"start": "02:34:39", "end": "02:34:43", "text": "that we think? She said, \"I don't know,"}, {"start": "02:34:41", "end": "02:34:46", "text": "but they've done that, too. I hear them"}, {"start": "02:34:43", "end": "02:34:48", "text": "in my head.\" That's what she she says."}, {"start": "02:34:46", "end": "02:34:53", "text": "So, we thought, \"Okay, whatever.\" Uh,"}, {"start": "02:34:48", "end": "02:34:57", "text": "now what do we do? Um, but then"}, {"start": "02:34:53", "end": "02:35:00", "text": "we missed opportunities"}, {"start": "02:34:57", "end": "02:35:02", "text": "and they took her. They would take her"}, {"start": "02:35:00", "end": "02:35:05", "text": "out through her window"}, {"start": "02:35:02", "end": "02:35:07", "text": "to a craft"}, {"start": "02:35:05", "end": "02:35:08", "text": "and then she would go someplace and then"}, {"start": "02:35:07", "end": "02:35:08", "text": "they would bring her back through her"}, {"start": "02:35:08", "end": "02:35:11", "text": "window"}, {"start": "02:35:08", "end": "02:35:11", "text": ">> like Linda Cortiel."}, {"start": "02:35:11", "end": "02:35:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:35:11", "end": "02:35:15", "text": ">> Type thing."}, {"start": "02:35:12", "end": "02:35:17", "text": ">> And she would be in a room."}, {"start": "02:35:15", "end": "02:35:20", "text": "She was in a b a bubble. She says a"}, {"start": "02:35:17", "end": "02:35:21", "text": "bubble. It was a bubble."}, {"start": "02:35:20", "end": "02:35:23", "text": ">> A round room."}, {"start": "02:35:21", "end": "02:35:28", "text": ">> A round room. And she was on a table in"}, {"start": "02:35:23", "end": "02:35:32", "text": "the bubble. And these she saw then these"}, {"start": "02:35:28", "end": "02:35:36", "text": "ugly she saw the actual insecttoids"}, {"start": "02:35:32", "end": "02:35:38", "text": "come in and they come right up to her"}, {"start": "02:35:36", "end": "02:35:40", "text": "and this is this is the times that she's"}, {"start": "02:35:38", "end": "02:35:44", "text": "hearing them in her head. They're not"}, {"start": "02:35:40", "end": "02:35:47", "text": "moving their but they're they're"}, {"start": "02:35:44", "end": "02:35:49", "text": "badgering her. They're saying who is"}, {"start": "02:35:47", "end": "02:35:52", "text": "God? Who is this God? I don't like to"}, {"start": "02:35:49", "end": "02:35:55", "text": "say that but um what's his name? Where"}, {"start": "02:35:52", "end": "02:35:58", "text": "does he live? and things like that that"}, {"start": "02:35:55", "end": "02:36:01", "text": "she's asking because she's praying."}, {"start": "02:35:58", "end": "02:36:03", "text": "She's she's when she's abducted, she's"}, {"start": "02:36:01", "end": "02:36:08", "text": "praying. I think I said that, didn't I?"}, {"start": "02:36:03", "end": "02:36:11", "text": "Um well, she she is confused"}, {"start": "02:36:08", "end": "02:36:13", "text": "and then there's and then in this room"}, {"start": "02:36:11", "end": "02:36:16", "text": "in this bubble, they're doing all these"}, {"start": "02:36:13", "end": "02:36:19", "text": "things to her. Uh you know, examining"}, {"start": "02:36:16", "end": "02:36:21", "text": "her and more evasive all the time, more"}, {"start": "02:36:19", "end": "02:36:24", "text": "evasive. and then she would lose"}, {"start": "02:36:21", "end": "02:36:27", "text": "consciousness and find out find herself"}, {"start": "02:36:24", "end": "02:36:29", "text": "in a bed or in her bed in her apartment."}, {"start": "02:36:27", "end": "02:36:31", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "02:36:29", "end": "02:36:33", "text": "the only thing I can say is there are"}, {"start": "02:36:31", "end": "02:36:36", "text": "some people uh during this time that"}, {"start": "02:36:33", "end": "02:36:38", "text": "were thinking that these"}, {"start": "02:36:36", "end": "02:36:42", "text": "uh extraterrestrials"}, {"start": "02:36:38", "end": "02:36:45", "text": "uh couldn't uh couldn't be in the same"}, {"start": "02:36:42", "end": "02:36:47", "text": "environment with a human and that's why"}, {"start": "02:36:45", "end": "02:36:49", "text": "they come in this bubble. They had to"}, {"start": "02:36:47", "end": "02:36:51", "text": "keep her alive. they had to have oxygen"}, {"start": "02:36:49", "end": "02:36:53", "text": "and whatever, but when they went out,"}, {"start": "02:36:51", "end": "02:36:56", "text": "they they they were in their own"}, {"start": "02:36:53", "end": "02:36:59", "text": "environment. I don't know if I I know"}, {"start": "02:36:56", "end": "02:37:02", "text": "somebody one of the uh DIA guys are"}, {"start": "02:36:59", "end": "02:37:04", "text": "talked about that. Apparently, they have"}, {"start": "02:37:02", "end": "02:37:06", "text": "uh other cases that they worked on that"}, {"start": "02:37:04", "end": "02:37:10", "text": "I had no knowledge of."}, {"start": "02:37:06", "end": "02:37:12", "text": "So, that's why uh the government went"}, {"start": "02:37:10", "end": "02:37:14", "text": "above and beyond to do something to help"}, {"start": "02:37:12", "end": "02:37:16", "text": "her and they did"}, {"start": "02:37:14", "end": "02:37:19", "text": ">> to this day."}, {"start": "02:37:16", "end": "02:37:22", "text": ">> I don't know. I I I I'm sure"}, {"start": "02:37:19", "end": "02:37:25", "text": ">> she's I I spoke to her in Washington DC"}, {"start": "02:37:22", "end": "02:37:29", "text": "in 2022 and she's a different person. I"}, {"start": "02:37:25", "end": "02:37:32", "text": "mean, she's hasn't had any abductions"}, {"start": "02:37:29", "end": "02:37:32", "text": "in, you know, 30 30 years or whatever it"}, {"start": "02:37:32", "end": "02:37:35", "text": "was."}, {"start": "02:37:32", "end": "02:37:38", "text": ">> That's uh it's terrifying. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:37:35", "end": "02:37:42", "text": ">> it's a terrifying and and but to know"}, {"start": "02:37:38", "end": "02:37:45", "text": "like I mean it's just so strange the"}, {"start": "02:37:42", "end": "02:37:47", "text": ">> like"}, {"start": "02:37:45", "end": "02:37:50", "text": "what method was used to thwart them? How"}, {"start": "02:37:47", "end": "02:37:52", "text": "did they Was it guns? Was it sound? Was"}, {"start": "02:37:50", "end": "02:37:54", "text": "it like lights? What how did they get"}, {"start": "02:37:52", "end": "02:37:54", "text": "them out of there? How do they stop it"}, {"start": "02:37:54", "end": "02:37:56", "text": "from happening?"}, {"start": "02:37:54", "end": "02:37:57", "text": ">> I can't I can't go into detail."}, {"start": "02:37:56", "end": "02:37:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Wouldn't that be really important"}, {"start": "02:37:57", "end": "02:38:00", "text": "information for people out there to know"}, {"start": "02:37:59", "end": "02:38:03", "text": "in case they wanted to stop it?"}, {"start": "02:38:00", "end": "02:38:05", "text": ">> It's not guns. It's nothing like that."}, {"start": "02:38:03", "end": "02:38:06", "text": "It's uh technology."}, {"start": "02:38:05", "end": "02:38:09", "text": ">> It's a frequency."}, {"start": "02:38:06", "end": "02:38:09", "text": ">> It's just technology."}, {"start": "02:38:09", "end": "02:38:11", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "02:38:09", "end": "02:38:12", "text": ">> I I don't know. I'm not the scientist. I"}, {"start": "02:38:11", "end": "02:38:14", "text": "I I"}, {"start": "02:38:12", "end": "02:38:16", "text": ">> You don't know the method that"}, {"start": "02:38:14", "end": "02:38:18", "text": ">> um I know how they use it, but I don't"}, {"start": "02:38:16", "end": "02:38:20", "text": "know what's behind it."}, {"start": "02:38:18", "end": "02:38:22", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:38:20", "end": "02:38:24", "text": "Interesting. Um"}, {"start": "02:38:22", "end": "02:38:26", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "02:38:24", "end": "02:38:29", "text": "All right. We'll we'll move from that,"}, {"start": "02:38:26", "end": "02:38:31", "text": "but we'll put a pin in that for whenever"}, {"start": "02:38:29", "end": "02:38:33", "text": "she decides to come forward. Maybe we'll"}, {"start": "02:38:31", "end": "02:38:33", "text": "have you back and talk about it. Well, I"}, {"start": "02:38:33", "end": "02:38:35", "text": "have her back, too."}, {"start": "02:38:33", "end": "02:38:38", "text": ">> Maybe have both of you in the diner"}, {"start": "02:38:35", "end": "02:38:39", "text": ">> when she Yeah, that would be great. Once"}, {"start": "02:38:38", "end": "02:38:41", "text": "she talks, man, that I mean, she's going"}, {"start": "02:38:39", "end": "02:38:42", "text": "to be wanted by everybody."}, {"start": "02:38:41", "end": "02:38:43", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "02:38:42", "end": "02:38:44", "text": ">> Of course."}, {"start": "02:38:43", "end": "02:38:47", "text": ">> And I probably have an inside with her."}, {"start": "02:38:44", "end": "02:38:50", "text": "I mean, all I did for her, all we did,"}, {"start": "02:38:47", "end": "02:38:52", "text": "and just me, but OSI did for her. Not"}, {"start": "02:38:50", "end": "02:38:54", "text": "not just OS was I, but the entire realm"}, {"start": "02:38:52", "end": "02:38:58", "text": "of the government. I mean, she had NSA"}, {"start": "02:38:54", "end": "02:38:59", "text": "and and everybody working uh to to tow"}, {"start": "02:38:58", "end": "02:39:02", "text": "this."}, {"start": "02:38:59", "end": "02:39:03", "text": ">> It's really alarming."}, {"start": "02:39:02", "end": "02:39:06", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "02:39:03", "end": "02:39:10", "text": "because you know what's hard Rick in"}, {"start": "02:39:06", "end": "02:39:12", "text": "this topic for me is and I'm sure you've"}, {"start": "02:39:10", "end": "02:39:16", "text": "come across this as well."}, {"start": "02:39:12", "end": "02:39:19", "text": "You have to walk a line where one side"}, {"start": "02:39:16", "end": "02:39:22", "text": "of you says, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "02:39:19", "end": "02:39:25", "text": "either this person is telling me the"}, {"start": "02:39:22", "end": "02:39:28", "text": "objective truth of extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "02:39:25", "end": "02:39:30", "text": "visitation of whether it's mutilation or"}, {"start": "02:39:28", "end": "02:39:34", "text": "whether it's just experimentation,"}, {"start": "02:39:30", "end": "02:39:36", "text": "whatever that is, or I am actively"}, {"start": "02:39:34", "end": "02:39:38", "text": "indulging in someone's potential"}, {"start": "02:39:36", "end": "02:39:41", "text": "psychosis.\""}, {"start": "02:39:38", "end": "02:39:44", "text": "And that's the line that I always find"}, {"start": "02:39:41", "end": "02:39:46", "text": "very difficult because on one hand I"}, {"start": "02:39:44", "end": "02:39:48", "text": "want to be I want to be the person who"}, {"start": "02:39:46", "end": "02:39:50", "text": "people can trust to come to and say"}, {"start": "02:39:48", "end": "02:39:54", "text": "these things and who feel safe and"}, {"start": "02:39:50", "end": "02:39:58", "text": "secure in in in saying them. But on the"}, {"start": "02:39:54", "end": "02:40:00", "text": "other side, if this is all invented,"}, {"start": "02:39:58", "end": "02:40:05", "text": "then I'm actually not doing the right"}, {"start": "02:40:00", "end": "02:40:08", "text": "thing. Um, I'm I'm I'm gaslighting and"}, {"start": "02:40:05", "end": "02:40:12", "text": "I'm I'm making this worse somehow, uh,"}, {"start": "02:40:08", "end": "02:40:15", "text": "you know, by by allowing them to sort of"}, {"start": "02:40:12", "end": "02:40:19", "text": "perpetuate this potential,"}, {"start": "02:40:15", "end": "02:40:21", "text": "you know, psychotic episode. And so,"}, {"start": "02:40:19", "end": "02:40:24", "text": "you know, something like that,"}, {"start": "02:40:21", "end": "02:40:26", "text": "I'm sure, affected you in that same way"}, {"start": "02:40:24", "end": "02:40:27", "text": "where like, you know, there's a lot of"}, {"start": "02:40:26", "end": "02:40:30", "text": "times where I'm sure you couldn't tell"}, {"start": "02:40:27", "end": "02:40:31", "text": "if it was real or not. Even today, I'm"}, {"start": "02:40:30", "end": "02:40:34", "text": "sure with people telling you stories,"}, {"start": "02:40:31", "end": "02:40:37", "text": "how do you discern? Right. But then that"}, {"start": "02:40:34", "end": "02:40:39", "text": "gave you some objective truth. Did that"}, {"start": "02:40:37", "end": "02:40:40", "text": "change how you felt about previous"}, {"start": "02:40:39", "end": "02:40:44", "text": "abduction cases?"}, {"start": "02:40:40", "end": "02:40:48", "text": ">> Absolutely. Absolutely. And and she was"}, {"start": "02:40:44", "end": "02:40:51", "text": "one of the truly convincing"}, {"start": "02:40:48", "end": "02:40:53", "text": "cases. We had others"}, {"start": "02:40:51", "end": "02:40:58", "text": "that were not convincing,"}, {"start": "02:40:53", "end": "02:41:00", "text": ">> right? that that I mean you could"}, {"start": "02:40:58", "end": "02:41:03", "text": "one of the one of the things that was"}, {"start": "02:41:00", "end": "02:41:09", "text": "developed I have to be careful is the"}, {"start": "02:41:03", "end": "02:41:12", "text": "way uh to evaluate there's something a"}, {"start": "02:41:09", "end": "02:41:14", "text": "widget I'll call it a widget that you"}, {"start": "02:41:12", "end": "02:41:17", "text": "telling me you're abducted I'll bring"}, {"start": "02:41:14", "end": "02:41:18", "text": "that widget in and that that widget will"}, {"start": "02:41:17", "end": "02:41:20", "text": "tell me whether you're telling the truth"}, {"start": "02:41:18", "end": "02:41:22", "text": "not a lie detector anything like that"}, {"start": "02:41:20", "end": "02:41:25", "text": "it's something else that you just have"}, {"start": "02:41:22", "end": "02:41:26", "text": "to It It's too scientific for me to"}, {"start": "02:41:25", "end": "02:41:30", "text": ">> Of human origin."}, {"start": "02:41:26", "end": "02:41:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:41:30", "end": "02:41:33", "text": "I'm not going to say."}, {"start": "02:41:31", "end": "02:41:34", "text": ">> Well, because I watched the movie A"}, {"start": "02:41:33", "end": "02:41:34", "text": "Disclosure Day. Have you seen this"}, {"start": "02:41:34", "end": "02:41:35", "text": "movie?"}, {"start": "02:41:34", "end": "02:41:37", "text": ">> Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "02:41:35", "end": "02:41:38", "text": ">> So, in there there's a widget."}, {"start": "02:41:37", "end": "02:41:41", "text": ">> Yep. [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:41:38", "end": "02:41:41", "text": ">> Um, is that not unlike the widget you're"}, {"start": "02:41:41", "end": "02:41:42", "text": "referring to?"}, {"start": "02:41:41", "end": "02:41:45", "text": ">> I'm not going to say."}, {"start": "02:41:42", "end": "02:41:48", "text": ">> Okay. But because I found it very"}, {"start": "02:41:45", "end": "02:41:49", "text": "strange in that movie that that was"}, {"start": "02:41:48", "end": "02:41:51", "text": "brought in because I'm like, we don't"}, {"start": "02:41:49", "end": "02:41:53", "text": "really hear about things like that at"}, {"start": "02:41:51", "end": "02:41:56", "text": "all. everything else in the movie seem"}, {"start": "02:41:53", "end": "02:41:59", "text": "to track whether it's the the psychic"}, {"start": "02:41:56", "end": "02:42:01", "text": "overlay or the u the sort of lingering"}, {"start": "02:41:59", "end": "02:42:03", "text": "psychic abilities that someone has after"}, {"start": "02:42:01", "end": "02:42:04", "text": "having an experience these screen"}, {"start": "02:42:03", "end": "02:42:07", "text": "memories"}, {"start": "02:42:04", "end": "02:42:08", "text": "uh the childhood abductions there's"}, {"start": "02:42:07", "end": "02:42:11", "text": "there's so many things in that movie"}, {"start": "02:42:08", "end": "02:42:13", "text": "that really track and and cut deep for"}, {"start": "02:42:11", "end": "02:42:15", "text": "you know people who follow experiencers"}, {"start": "02:42:13", "end": "02:42:17", "text": "but that one thing stood out to me and I"}, {"start": "02:42:15", "end": "02:42:20", "text": "was like what the heck's this"}, {"start": "02:42:17", "end": "02:42:22", "text": ">> maybe he got uh some inside information"}, {"start": "02:42:20", "end": "02:42:25", "text": ">> do you think that's the"}, {"start": "02:42:22", "end": "02:42:25", "text": "I think he did. Yeah. I I I think Yeah."}, {"start": "02:42:25", "end": "02:42:27", "text": "I'm"}, {"start": "02:42:25", "end": "02:42:28", "text": ">> 100%"}, {"start": "02:42:27", "end": "02:42:29", "text": ">> 100%. There's some things in there that"}, {"start": "02:42:28", "end": "02:42:30", "text": "he gotten"}, {"start": "02:42:29", "end": "02:42:31", "text": ">> He was briefed on."}, {"start": "02:42:30", "end": "02:42:33", "text": ">> He was briefed on. He was right in."}, {"start": "02:42:31", "end": "02:42:34", "text": ">> Absolutely. Absolutely."}, {"start": "02:42:33", "end": "02:42:36", "text": ">> In that specific movie."}, {"start": "02:42:34", "end": "02:42:37", "text": ">> Yeah. That that movie."}, {"start": "02:42:36", "end": "02:42:39", "text": ">> Okay. What? Well,"}, {"start": "02:42:37", "end": "02:42:41", "text": ">> is the widget one of them?"}, {"start": "02:42:39", "end": "02:42:43", "text": ">> I'm not going to say, but [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:42:41", "end": "02:42:45", "text": "there are Yeah, I'll say the Muji is"}, {"start": "02:42:43", "end": "02:42:47", "text": "true. I I I they can't do anything to"}, {"start": "02:42:45", "end": "02:42:51", "text": "me. But"}, {"start": "02:42:47", "end": "02:42:53", "text": "there's a lot I heard from a very"}, {"start": "02:42:51", "end": "02:42:55", "text": "reliable source that 18 minutes was cut"}, {"start": "02:42:53", "end": "02:42:57", "text": "out of that film because the government"}, {"start": "02:42:55", "end": "02:43:00", "text": "says you can't you can't possibly show"}, {"start": "02:42:57", "end": "02:43:02", "text": "that. Now, I don't know if it's 18. I"}, {"start": "02:43:00", "end": "02:43:05", "text": "some says six minutes and some says 18."}, {"start": "02:43:02", "end": "02:43:08", "text": "There's some sections cut out because if"}, {"start": "02:43:05", "end": "02:43:12", "text": "you w I watch it twice because there's"}, {"start": "02:43:08", "end": "02:43:14", "text": "reasons why I watch it twice"}, {"start": "02:43:12", "end": "02:43:16", "text": "and I analyze"}, {"start": "02:43:14", "end": "02:43:17", "text": "there's they jump you can almost tell"}, {"start": "02:43:16", "end": "02:43:18", "text": "where it's cut"}, {"start": "02:43:17", "end": "02:43:21", "text": ">> where they cut the thing."}, {"start": "02:43:18", "end": "02:43:23", "text": ">> Excuse me. Yeah. Because I you know I've"}, {"start": "02:43:21", "end": "02:43:26", "text": "not I've never edited anything but I've"}, {"start": "02:43:23", "end": "02:43:28", "text": "been on movie sets and I know you know I"}, {"start": "02:43:26", "end": "02:43:30", "text": "know what was filmed and then what was"}, {"start": "02:43:28", "end": "02:43:34", "text": "cut later and what scene was you know."}, {"start": "02:43:30", "end": "02:43:37", "text": "So yeah, I'm I'm positive."}, {"start": "02:43:34", "end": "02:43:40", "text": "Now Spielberg will will say it's sensors"}, {"start": "02:43:37", "end": "02:43:43", "text": "or something, but sensors don't care"}, {"start": "02:43:40", "end": "02:43:45", "text": "about UFOs. I mean, if it's sex or"}, {"start": "02:43:43", "end": "02:43:47", "text": "something, you know, perverted, maybe"}, {"start": "02:43:45", "end": "02:43:49", "text": "they'll cut it, but sensors. Nah."}, {"start": "02:43:47", "end": "02:43:52", "text": ">> Yeah. And what I found interesting, too,"}, {"start": "02:43:49", "end": "02:43:56", "text": "is that normally movies depicting some"}, {"start": "02:43:52", "end": "02:43:57", "text": "type of government faction or department"}, {"start": "02:43:56", "end": "02:43:58", "text": "will have to acknowledge them in the"}, {"start": "02:43:57", "end": "02:44:00", "text": "credits. They didn't."}, {"start": "02:43:58", "end": "02:44:01", "text": ">> They didn't. I thought that was really"}, {"start": "02:44:00", "end": "02:44:03", "text": "interesting because even a movie like"}, {"start": "02:44:01", "end": "02:44:06", "text": "Elio which talks about you know there's"}, {"start": "02:44:03", "end": "02:44:07", "text": "space force in there and uh that you"}, {"start": "02:44:06", "end": "02:44:09", "text": "know"}, {"start": "02:44:07", "end": "02:44:11", "text": ">> we are very grateful for space force and"}, {"start": "02:44:09", "end": "02:44:13", "text": "the air force and the department of"}, {"start": "02:44:11", "end": "02:44:15", "text": "defense and and yada yada. So what's the"}, {"start": "02:44:13", "end": "02:44:17", "text": "reason why they wouldn't"}, {"start": "02:44:15", "end": "02:44:18", "text": ">> because it's so real that they don't I"}, {"start": "02:44:17", "end": "02:44:19", "text": "don't know I you know they want to touch"}, {"start": "02:44:18", "end": "02:44:21", "text": "it."}, {"start": "02:44:19", "end": "02:44:22", "text": ">> It's you know it's"}, {"start": "02:44:21", "end": "02:44:24", "text": ">> what part what in what part of the movie"}, {"start": "02:44:22", "end": "02:44:25", "text": "do you think was cut out? Where do you"}, {"start": "02:44:24", "end": "02:44:29", "text": "think where do you feel that that was"}, {"start": "02:44:25", "end": "02:44:31", "text": "cut out? The ending was supposed to she"}, {"start": "02:44:29", "end": "02:44:31", "text": "was supposed I Well, this is what I was"}, {"start": "02:44:31", "end": "02:44:33", "text": "told."}, {"start": "02:44:31", "end": "02:44:34", "text": ">> Yeah, sure."}, {"start": "02:44:33", "end": "02:44:35", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "02:44:34", "end": "02:44:40", "text": ">> what source told you this?"}, {"start": "02:44:35", "end": "02:44:41", "text": ">> Uh, somebody in uh the company"}, {"start": "02:44:40", "end": "02:44:43", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "02:44:41", "end": "02:44:46", "text": ">> at Universal. Somebody at"}, {"start": "02:44:43", "end": "02:44:47", "text": ">> No, Altrin Altrin. Uh"}, {"start": "02:44:46", "end": "02:44:48", "text": ">> oh, his company. Yeah, his company."}, {"start": "02:44:47", "end": "02:44:50", "text": "Spielberg's company."}, {"start": "02:44:48", "end": "02:44:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Somebody said"}, {"start": "02:44:50", "end": "02:44:56", "text": ">> there was more to the ending than was so"}, {"start": "02:44:53", "end": "02:44:59", "text": "that maybe that's what it was cut out. M"}, {"start": "02:44:56", "end": "02:45:02", "text": "uh she was supposed to say more and she"}, {"start": "02:44:59", "end": "02:45:06", "text": "was supposed to go into she was supposed"}, {"start": "02:45:02", "end": "02:45:07", "text": "to say it and then the alien voices"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:08", "text": "they"}, {"start": "02:45:07", "end": "02:45:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:45:08", "end": "02:45:16", "text": ">> at the end and they didn't do that."}, {"start": "02:45:11", "end": "02:45:18", "text": ">> Wow. Cuz I I think like many people felt"}, {"start": "02:45:16", "end": "02:45:20", "text": "the shortcoming of that ending. Like it"}, {"start": "02:45:18", "end": "02:45:22", "text": "was just so abrupt and strange that they"}, {"start": "02:45:20", "end": "02:45:24", "text": "would end it there. I was like what? I I"}, {"start": "02:45:22", "end": "02:45:28", "text": "stayed for the end credits. There's got"}, {"start": "02:45:24", "end": "02:45:31", "text": "to be more here. Me too. Yeah. But but"}, {"start": "02:45:28", "end": "02:45:37", "text": "yeah, this I think the ending uh and"}, {"start": "02:45:31", "end": "02:45:40", "text": "then there's um when when he first"}, {"start": "02:45:37", "end": "02:45:42", "text": "uh got into the uh alien head thing to"}, {"start": "02:45:40", "end": "02:45:46", "text": "try to talk."}, {"start": "02:45:42", "end": "02:45:49", "text": ">> Uh they cut some of that out. Um I think"}, {"start": "02:45:46", "end": "02:45:49", "text": "at the beginning they also cut it out"}, {"start": "02:45:49", "end": "02:45:51", "text": "some things out."}, {"start": "02:45:49", "end": "02:45:53", "text": ">> And you're saying they cut it not for"}, {"start": "02:45:51", "end": "02:45:54", "text": "time or anything, but for"}, {"start": "02:45:53", "end": "02:45:57", "text": ">> I'm saying it. Oh, I see. I don't know"}, {"start": "02:45:54", "end": "02:45:58", "text": "if I don't know. I'm just saying others"}, {"start": "02:45:57", "end": "02:45:59", "text": "have told me this."}, {"start": "02:45:58", "end": "02:46:01", "text": ">> You you think"}, {"start": "02:45:59", "end": "02:46:02", "text": ">> I wasn't there but others have told I"}, {"start": "02:46:01", "end": "02:46:04", "text": "mean it's on the internet. I mean you"}, {"start": "02:46:02", "end": "02:46:05", "text": "look people they saying they cut it out"}, {"start": "02:46:04", "end": "02:46:09", "text": "for this they cut it out I don't know"}, {"start": "02:46:05", "end": "02:46:12", "text": "but but my friend who works there"}, {"start": "02:46:09", "end": "02:46:14", "text": ">> said yeah there's they they did cut out"}, {"start": "02:46:12", "end": "02:46:14", "text": "some and and they always cut out film"}, {"start": "02:46:14", "end": "02:46:17", "text": "you know but"}, {"start": "02:46:14", "end": "02:46:19", "text": ">> yeah I was scanning all the uh the sort"}, {"start": "02:46:17", "end": "02:46:21", "text": "of images that the news station was"}, {"start": "02:46:19", "end": "02:46:22", "text": "playing simultaneously. I was like,"}, {"start": "02:46:21", "end": "02:46:24", "text": "maybe there's something in here that"}, {"start": "02:46:22", "end": "02:46:25", "text": "they, you know, soft disclosure that"}, {"start": "02:46:24", "end": "02:46:28", "text": "they left in."}, {"start": "02:46:25", "end": "02:46:31", "text": ">> Well, as I understand,"}, {"start": "02:46:28", "end": "02:46:34", "text": "there's uh a few people out there and"}, {"start": "02:46:31", "end": "02:46:39", "text": "and I'm actually going to go visit one"}, {"start": "02:46:34", "end": "02:46:41", "text": "next week uh who saw a longer version."}, {"start": "02:46:39", "end": "02:46:44", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "02:46:41", "end": "02:46:47", "text": ">> And he surprisingly told me this. Uh he"}, {"start": "02:46:44", "end": "02:46:49", "text": "said, \"Oh, they cut a lot out of that.\""}, {"start": "02:46:47", "end": "02:46:50", "text": "I said, \"Yeah, that's a rumor.\" He goes,"}, {"start": "02:46:49", "end": "02:46:53", "text": "\"Oh, I'm not telling you rumor. I saw"}, {"start": "02:46:50", "end": "02:46:55", "text": "the longer version. I said, \"You saw a"}, {"start": "02:46:53", "end": "02:46:56", "text": "longer version?\" He said, \"Yeah.\" I"}, {"start": "02:46:55", "end": "02:46:59", "text": "said, \"I got to come out and see you.\""}, {"start": "02:46:56", "end": "02:47:01", "text": ">> Where did he see it?"}, {"start": "02:46:59", "end": "02:47:02", "text": ">> At a special showing."}, {"start": "02:47:01", "end": "02:47:06", "text": ">> He works for the government, too."}, {"start": "02:47:02", "end": "02:47:06", "text": ">> Really? Was this showing in California?"}, {"start": "02:47:06", "end": "02:47:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:47:06", "end": "02:47:10", "text": ">> Palm Springs area,"}, {"start": "02:47:09", "end": "02:47:10", "text": ">> you know."}, {"start": "02:47:10", "end": "02:47:11", "text": ">> Was it?"}, {"start": "02:47:10", "end": "02:47:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:47:11", "end": "02:47:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Interesting."}, {"start": "02:47:12", "end": "02:47:14", "text": ">> You know,"}, {"start": "02:47:13", "end": "02:47:15", "text": ">> I know they had a screening there."}, {"start": "02:47:14", "end": "02:47:17", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "02:47:15", "end": "02:47:18", "text": ">> And I know there was some uh there's"}, {"start": "02:47:17", "end": "02:47:21", "text": "some private jets landing."}, {"start": "02:47:18", "end": "02:47:22", "text": ">> Mhm. two DARPA guys. Okay."}, {"start": "02:47:21", "end": "02:47:25", "text": ">> At least two DARPA guys."}, {"start": "02:47:22", "end": "02:47:27", "text": ">> An Air Force colonel."}, {"start": "02:47:25", "end": "02:47:29", "text": ">> Because it happened um during contact in"}, {"start": "02:47:27", "end": "02:47:32", "text": "the desert."}, {"start": "02:47:29", "end": "02:47:32", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "02:47:32", "end": "02:47:34", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "02:47:33", "end": "02:47:36", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:47:34", "end": "02:47:37", "text": ">> So that Okay. I'm going to have to talk"}, {"start": "02:47:36", "end": "02:47:39", "text": "to somebody."}, {"start": "02:47:37", "end": "02:47:40", "text": ">> Yeah, I'm going to too next time."}, {"start": "02:47:39", "end": "02:47:45", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:47:40", "end": "02:47:47", "text": ">> That's interesting. Um okay,"}, {"start": "02:47:45", "end": "02:47:49", "text": "I want to talk about something a little"}, {"start": "02:47:47", "end": "02:47:52", "text": "more trippy. Um, since we've gotten into"}, {"start": "02:47:49", "end": "02:47:53", "text": "some really trippy things. Um, now, you"}, {"start": "02:47:52", "end": "02:47:55", "text": "know, there is"}, {"start": "02:47:53", "end": "02:47:57", "text": ">> there's so much I'd love to talk to you"}, {"start": "02:47:55", "end": "02:48:00", "text": "about, including, you know, Serpo,"}, {"start": "02:47:57", "end": "02:48:02", "text": "including more about Project Aquarius,"}, {"start": "02:48:00", "end": "02:48:04", "text": "and I mean, a Dolce base, like all this"}, {"start": "02:48:02", "end": "02:48:06", "text": "all this stuff is is uh very"}, {"start": "02:48:04", "end": "02:48:07", "text": "fascinating. But one thing that I came"}, {"start": "02:48:06", "end": "02:48:09", "text": "across that I thought was really"}, {"start": "02:48:07", "end": "02:48:12", "text": "interesting"}, {"start": "02:48:09", "end": "02:48:15", "text": ">> is I had um I think a mutual friend on"}, {"start": "02:48:12", "end": "02:48:16", "text": "here, uh, John Stewart."}, {"start": "02:48:15", "end": "02:48:18", "text": ">> I know John. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:48:16", "end": "02:48:20", "text": ">> good friends, John."}, {"start": "02:48:18", "end": "02:48:20", "text": ">> Yeah, John's a good guy. I like John."}, {"start": "02:48:20", "end": "02:48:23", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "02:48:20", "end": "02:48:27", "text": ">> Um, you know, the internet gives him a"}, {"start": "02:48:23", "end": "02:48:29", "text": "hard time. Not entirely undeserved."}, {"start": "02:48:27", "end": "02:48:31", "text": "I think I think uh, you know, and John's"}, {"start": "02:48:29", "end": "02:48:34", "text": "definitely going to watch this. Uh, but"}, {"start": "02:48:31", "end": "02:48:36", "text": "I, uh, I do think John sort of pokes the"}, {"start": "02:48:34", "end": "02:48:39", "text": "bear, so to speak. He's got a lot of"}, {"start": "02:48:36", "end": "02:48:42", "text": "gumption. He's somebody who, you know,"}, {"start": "02:48:39", "end": "02:48:44", "text": "his background is just riddled with"}, {"start": "02:48:42", "end": "02:48:46", "text": "someone who kicks indoors and doesn't"}, {"start": "02:48:44", "end": "02:48:47", "text": "really, you know, he's boisterous. He's"}, {"start": "02:48:46", "end": "02:48:51", "text": "he's all of these things."}, {"start": "02:48:47", "end": "02:48:53", "text": ">> Um, which I think, credit to him, uh,"}, {"start": "02:48:51", "end": "02:48:58", "text": "gets him into places and into"}, {"start": "02:48:53", "end": "02:49:02", "text": "conversations that most don't get"}, {"start": "02:48:58", "end": "02:49:06", "text": "uh into. Um, and so one of these stories"}, {"start": "02:49:02", "end": "02:49:08", "text": "is the story of this Carthusian monk"}, {"start": "02:49:06", "end": "02:49:09", "text": "in I think northern Vermont or"}, {"start": "02:49:08", "end": "02:49:11", "text": "something."}, {"start": "02:49:09", "end": "02:49:14", "text": ">> Yeah, Vermont. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:49:11", "end": "02:49:16", "text": ">> And the story is if if the people at"}, {"start": "02:49:14", "end": "02:49:22", "text": "home haven't watched this, the story is"}, {"start": "02:49:16", "end": "02:49:25", "text": "as follows. uh that he had someone"}, {"start": "02:49:22", "end": "02:49:28", "text": "reach out to this monastery because this"}, {"start": "02:49:25", "end": "02:49:30", "text": "monastery was found by remote viewers"}, {"start": "02:49:28", "end": "02:49:34", "text": "during, you know, the whole Stargate era"}, {"start": "02:49:30", "end": "02:49:37", "text": "or maybe a little prior or after. Um but"}, {"start": "02:49:34", "end": "02:49:40", "text": "they remote viewed the monastery as"}, {"start": "02:49:37", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "being as housing people who will help"}, {"start": "02:49:40", "end": "02:49:47", "text": "them communicate with the being that"}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:49", "text": "they had at S4 or at Area 51 Groom Lake"}, {"start": "02:49:47", "end": "02:49:53", "text": "or Papoose."}, {"start": "02:49:49", "end": "02:49:55", "text": "And so they ended up going there and a"}, {"start": "02:49:53", "end": "02:49:57", "text": "Carthusian monastery by the way is like"}, {"start": "02:49:55", "end": "02:50:00", "text": "one of the most sacred. There's only one"}, {"start": "02:49:57", "end": "02:50:02", "text": "in the United States and uh these people"}, {"start": "02:50:00", "end": "02:50:04", "text": "take a vow of silence. Their whole"}, {"start": "02:50:02", "end": "02:50:07", "text": "existence is to do nothing but"}, {"start": "02:50:04", "end": "02:50:09", "text": "contemplate like God."}, {"start": "02:50:07", "end": "02:50:11", "text": "They have the right to refuse being"}, {"start": "02:50:09", "end": "02:50:14", "text": "called upon uh by the church. Like"}, {"start": "02:50:11", "end": "02:50:16", "text": "that's how coveted these people are. And"}, {"start": "02:50:14", "end": "02:50:18", "text": "because of this, you know, they they"}, {"start": "02:50:16", "end": "02:50:20", "text": "have a lot of wisdom and a lot of, you"}, {"start": "02:50:18", "end": "02:50:22", "text": "know, sort of this this higher"}, {"start": "02:50:20", "end": "02:50:26", "text": "connection potentially. and and they"}, {"start": "02:50:22", "end": "02:50:28", "text": "were eventually brought in and flown to"}, {"start": "02:50:26", "end": "02:50:32", "text": "this secret undisclosed location to"}, {"start": "02:50:28", "end": "02:50:33", "text": "communicate with this being."}, {"start": "02:50:32", "end": "02:50:36", "text": "It is my understanding through"}, {"start": "02:50:33", "end": "02:50:41", "text": "conversations with John that you may"}, {"start": "02:50:36", "end": "02:50:44", "text": "have also had some small part in this or"}, {"start": "02:50:41", "end": "02:50:46", "text": "an interest a vested interest in this"}, {"start": "02:50:44", "end": "02:50:51", "text": "story. And is that safe to say?"}, {"start": "02:50:46", "end": "02:50:55", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. I I I knew of an operation"}, {"start": "02:50:51", "end": "02:50:58", "text": "that was occurring at Groom Lake. I"}, {"start": "02:50:55", "end": "02:51:00", "text": "didn't know uh it was Cthusian monks."}, {"start": "02:50:58", "end": "02:51:02", "text": "Okay. I knew there was a pro there was a"}, {"start": "02:51:00", "end": "02:51:07", "text": "a project"}, {"start": "02:51:02", "end": "02:51:09", "text": "um that they were bringing people in to"}, {"start": "02:51:07", "end": "02:51:12", "text": "uh S2 Annex,"}, {"start": "02:51:09", "end": "02:51:15", "text": "which is where the uh we call it the"}, {"start": "02:51:12", "end": "02:51:16", "text": "creature containment facility. They had"}, {"start": "02:51:15", "end": "02:51:19", "text": "special facilities for these"}, {"start": "02:51:16", "end": "02:51:23", "text": "extraterrestrials that we found or gain."}, {"start": "02:51:19", "end": "02:51:24", "text": "I I don't know how we got them. Uh"}, {"start": "02:51:23", "end": "02:51:26", "text": "because a lot of them had to have"}, {"start": "02:51:24", "end": "02:51:29", "text": "special environments to live"}, {"start": "02:51:26", "end": "02:51:31", "text": "and that these people that they brought"}, {"start": "02:51:29", "end": "02:51:34", "text": "in and again I didn't know at the time"}, {"start": "02:51:31", "end": "02:51:36", "text": "in ' 80s that they were Gusian monks"}, {"start": "02:51:34", "end": "02:51:40", "text": "that they were able to communicate with"}, {"start": "02:51:36", "end": "02:51:41", "text": "them. Now that's it. That's that's 1980s"}, {"start": "02:51:40", "end": "02:51:43", "text": "era. Okay."}, {"start": "02:51:41", "end": "02:51:44", "text": ">> Was that a project you were read into? I"}, {"start": "02:51:43", "end": "02:51:46", "text": "was partially right into it. Yes."}, {"start": "02:51:44", "end": "02:51:48", "text": "Because"}, {"start": "02:51:46", "end": "02:51:51", "text": "[clears throat] one of the um"}, {"start": "02:51:48", "end": "02:51:55", "text": "one of the vans uh that they they"}, {"start": "02:51:51", "end": "02:51:59", "text": "weren't flown in to uh Goomb Lake. They"}, {"start": "02:51:55", "end": "02:52:00", "text": "were uh bust or they had a van. Uh the"}, {"start": "02:51:59", "end": "02:52:04", "text": "government used a van"}, {"start": "02:52:00", "end": "02:52:08", "text": ">> from Nellis. the they they flew into uh"}, {"start": "02:52:04", "end": "02:52:10", "text": "uh Las Vegas"}, {"start": "02:52:08", "end": "02:52:12", "text": "uh now [clears throat] Henry Harry Reid"}, {"start": "02:52:10", "end": "02:52:16", "text": "airport and then they would bust him up"}, {"start": "02:52:12", "end": "02:52:18", "text": "to uh Nellis and they would spend a"}, {"start": "02:52:16", "end": "02:52:20", "text": "night at Nellis and something was going"}, {"start": "02:52:18", "end": "02:52:22", "text": "I don't know what happened at Nellis and"}, {"start": "02:52:20", "end": "02:52:24", "text": "then they would truck them bus them out"}, {"start": "02:52:22", "end": "02:52:28", "text": "or truck them out there. Well, one of"}, {"start": "02:52:24", "end": "02:52:34", "text": "them got in an accident and at at up"}, {"start": "02:52:28", "end": "02:52:39", "text": "there uh I think just south near Rachel"}, {"start": "02:52:34", "end": "02:52:42", "text": "anyways. And um we knew that they were"}, {"start": "02:52:39", "end": "02:52:45", "text": "uh very uh important officials. We"}, {"start": "02:52:42", "end": "02:52:46", "text": "didn't know who they were. And so, you"}, {"start": "02:52:45", "end": "02:52:48", "text": "know, they an accident happened, the"}, {"start": "02:52:46", "end": "02:52:50", "text": "highway patrols there investigating it."}, {"start": "02:52:48", "end": "02:52:53", "text": "We had to go up and interface with the"}, {"start": "02:52:50", "end": "02:52:56", "text": "highway patrol. So, I knew these I knew"}, {"start": "02:52:53", "end": "02:53:00", "text": "that they were some special and we"}, {"start": "02:52:56", "end": "02:53:02", "text": "actually uh got another uh van from"}, {"start": "02:53:00", "end": "02:53:04", "text": "Groom Lake to come out to pick them up."}, {"start": "02:53:02", "end": "02:53:08", "text": "So, and then take him out there. So,"}, {"start": "02:53:04", "end": "02:53:11", "text": "that's my involvement with this. I knew"}, {"start": "02:53:08", "end": "02:53:13", "text": "and then uh one of the agents uh"}, {"start": "02:53:11", "end": "02:53:15", "text": "Harrison was his name who was actually"}, {"start": "02:53:13", "end": "02:53:20", "text": "involved this counter intelligence"}, {"start": "02:53:15", "end": "02:53:21", "text": "operation for S2 Annex. Uh he he knew"}, {"start": "02:53:20", "end": "02:53:24", "text": "what was going on."}, {"start": "02:53:21", "end": "02:53:28", "text": "and he had to give me limited access"}, {"start": "02:53:24", "end": "02:53:30", "text": "because of what I did. And I because I"}, {"start": "02:53:28", "end": "02:53:32", "text": "came back and I said, \"Okay, how do you"}, {"start": "02:53:30", "end": "02:53:34", "text": "want me to there's certain codes we have"}, {"start": "02:53:32", "end": "02:53:36", "text": "to use in reports. How many how do you"}, {"start": "02:53:34", "end": "02:53:40", "text": "want me to code this?\" And he goes,"}, {"start": "02:53:36", "end": "02:53:43", "text": "\"Well, they're they're going up to uh S2"}, {"start": "02:53:40", "end": "02:53:46", "text": "Annex and they're going to be uh"}, {"start": "02:53:43", "end": "02:53:47", "text": "interpreters.\" I said, \"Okay.\" Well, not"}, {"start": "02:53:46", "end": "02:53:50", "text": "interpreters."}, {"start": "02:53:47", "end": "02:53:52", "text": ">> Sure. in a in a sense of what we could"}, {"start": "02:53:50", "end": "02:53:56", "text": "write down would be interpreters. That's"}, {"start": "02:53:52", "end": "02:54:00", "text": "it. Now jump ahead"}, {"start": "02:53:56", "end": "02:54:04", "text": "many many 30 some 40 years"}, {"start": "02:54:00", "end": "02:54:09", "text": "the story came out uh that uh from"}, {"start": "02:54:04", "end": "02:54:13", "text": "another person um within uh uh"}, {"start": "02:54:09", "end": "02:54:17", "text": "John's realm of of of of circle so to"}, {"start": "02:54:13", "end": "02:54:20", "text": "speak uh that told him the story that"}, {"start": "02:54:17", "end": "02:54:22", "text": "there were two Carthusian monks"}, {"start": "02:54:20", "end": "02:54:23", "text": "that had special gifts to be able to"}, {"start": "02:54:22", "end": "02:54:26", "text": "communicate with these"}, {"start": "02:54:23", "end": "02:54:29", "text": "extraterrestrials."}, {"start": "02:54:26", "end": "02:54:31", "text": "And apparently, I mean, again, there's a"}, {"start": "02:54:29", "end": "02:54:34", "text": "lot of whole I mean, a lot of things we"}, {"start": "02:54:31", "end": "02:54:37", "text": "can't put together here,"}, {"start": "02:54:34", "end": "02:54:40", "text": "but these two were still alive. Uh they"}, {"start": "02:54:37", "end": "02:54:42", "text": "were living at at this uh monastery and"}, {"start": "02:54:40", "end": "02:54:44", "text": "like you said, it's a very closed"}, {"start": "02:54:42", "end": "02:54:45", "text": "monastery. It's like they were hermits."}, {"start": "02:54:44", "end": "02:54:46", "text": "They they"}, {"start": "02:54:45", "end": "02:54:49", "text": ">> It looks like a bunker."}, {"start": "02:54:46", "end": "02:54:51", "text": ">> Exactly. They they they you can't visit"}, {"start": "02:54:49", "end": "02:54:54", "text": "the place. Uh we we went up tried to"}, {"start": "02:54:51", "end": "02:54:55", "text": "visit the place. Um they there it's"}, {"start": "02:54:54", "end": "02:54:56", "text": "called"}, {"start": "02:54:55", "end": "02:54:58", "text": ">> Who's we? You and John?"}, {"start": "02:54:56", "end": "02:55:01", "text": ">> No, me and another guy went went up"}, {"start": "02:54:58", "end": "02:55:04", "text": "there. Uh and at the bottom of the hill"}, {"start": "02:55:01", "end": "02:55:07", "text": "they have a gift shop and they make uh"}, {"start": "02:55:04", "end": "02:55:09", "text": "they have gift shop. They make honey."}, {"start": "02:55:07", "end": "02:55:13", "text": "They have they make other things amongst"}, {"start": "02:55:09", "end": "02:55:18", "text": "to to you know to to to substain"}, {"start": "02:55:13", "end": "02:55:21", "text": "and but you we tried to get access to we"}, {"start": "02:55:18", "end": "02:55:23", "text": "knew their names uh the brother John and"}, {"start": "02:55:21", "end": "02:55:25", "text": "brother but we didn't know anything more"}, {"start": "02:55:23", "end": "02:55:29", "text": "about him and they said no you can't"}, {"start": "02:55:25", "end": "02:55:34", "text": "they don't have visitors once a year"}, {"start": "02:55:29", "end": "02:55:37", "text": "they can have a family member visit them"}, {"start": "02:55:34", "end": "02:55:40", "text": "but these two don't have any family and"}, {"start": "02:55:37", "end": "02:55:42", "text": "they're very old and they're in, you"}, {"start": "02:55:40", "end": "02:55:43", "text": "know, like a hospice up there or"}, {"start": "02:55:42", "end": "02:55:47", "text": "something. So, we could never get up"}, {"start": "02:55:43", "end": "02:55:51", "text": "there. But what we noticed was that"}, {"start": "02:55:47", "end": "02:55:53", "text": "there was a Vermont state trooper"}, {"start": "02:55:51", "end": "02:55:57", "text": "that would patrol from the gate where"}, {"start": "02:55:53", "end": "02:55:59", "text": "the uh gift house, gift shop was up the"}, {"start": "02:55:57", "end": "02:56:02", "text": "road and down. I thought that's odd."}, {"start": "02:55:59", "end": "02:56:04", "text": "State troopers are patrolling a private."}, {"start": "02:56:02", "end": "02:56:07", "text": "Why is that? Well, we we went to this"}, {"start": "02:56:04", "end": "02:56:09", "text": "local state police barracks and they"}, {"start": "02:56:07", "end": "02:56:11", "text": "basically said, \"Get out of here.\" You"}, {"start": "02:56:09", "end": "02:56:14", "text": "know, none of your business what we do."}, {"start": "02:56:11", "end": "02:56:17", "text": "And so we did, you know, could uh and we"}, {"start": "02:56:14", "end": "02:56:20", "text": "did um records, freedom of records"}, {"start": "02:56:17", "end": "02:56:24", "text": "checks, it called from Vermont. And all"}, {"start": "02:56:20", "end": "02:56:27", "text": "we got back was that uh somebody pays"}, {"start": "02:56:24", "end": "02:56:32", "text": "overtime. It doesn't say who. Some"}, {"start": "02:56:27", "end": "02:56:34", "text": "somebody pays the troopers overtime cuz"}, {"start": "02:56:32", "end": "02:56:35", "text": "what they're doing is overtime pay."}, {"start": "02:56:34", "end": "02:56:37", "text": ">> Yeah, sure."}, {"start": "02:56:35", "end": "02:56:39", "text": ">> And that's it. That's all we got. We"}, {"start": "02:56:37", "end": "02:56:42", "text": "didn't have anything else. No names. No,"}, {"start": "02:56:39", "end": "02:56:44", "text": "I think we got the troopers names. Uh I"}, {"start": "02:56:42", "end": "02:56:47", "text": "think I I'm not sure, but that's it. We"}, {"start": "02:56:44", "end": "02:56:50", "text": "couldn't get every up there. But this"}, {"start": "02:56:47", "end": "02:56:54", "text": "other person"}, {"start": "02:56:50", "end": "02:56:56", "text": "uh who worked at Area 51, his name is"}, {"start": "02:56:54", "end": "02:56:58", "text": "Jean,"}, {"start": "02:56:56", "end": "02:57:02", "text": "who actually was a director of security"}, {"start": "02:56:58", "end": "02:57:05", "text": "at Area 51 back in the 80s, told the"}, {"start": "02:57:02", "end": "02:57:08", "text": "story of of these two monks that they"}, {"start": "02:57:05", "end": "02:57:10", "text": "were in fact gifted."}, {"start": "02:57:08", "end": "02:57:12", "text": "Now"}, {"start": "02:57:10", "end": "02:57:15", "text": "where they got gifted from,"}, {"start": "02:57:12", "end": "02:57:17", "text": "you know, we some people surmise that"}, {"start": "02:57:15", "end": "02:57:21", "text": "they might have gone to the Vatican and"}, {"start": "02:57:17", "end": "02:57:23", "text": "the Vatican had special powers or they"}, {"start": "02:57:21", "end": "02:57:24", "text": "knew or whatever. I don't know."}, {"start": "02:57:23", "end": "02:57:27", "text": ">> Or maybe just through the vow of silence"}, {"start": "02:57:24", "end": "02:57:30", "text": "itself. You know how if you dampen one"}, {"start": "02:57:27", "end": "02:57:31", "text": "sense, the other senses might start to"}, {"start": "02:57:30", "end": "02:57:33", "text": "increase."}, {"start": "02:57:31", "end": "02:57:35", "text": ">> That's a possibility. Anyways, they were"}, {"start": "02:57:33", "end": "02:57:36", "text": "the ones that were able to communicate"}, {"start": "02:57:35", "end": "02:57:38", "text": "with this particular species of"}, {"start": "02:57:36", "end": "02:57:39", "text": "extraterrestrial."}, {"start": "02:57:38", "end": "02:57:42", "text": ">> Which species?"}, {"start": "02:57:39", "end": "02:57:43", "text": ">> Uh, I'm not sure. I think the grays that"}, {"start": "02:57:42", "end": "02:57:45", "text": "one of the grays."}, {"start": "02:57:43", "end": "02:57:48", "text": ">> And these grays told us all this"}, {"start": "02:57:45", "end": "02:57:50", "text": "information. And that's part of the film"}, {"start": "02:57:48", "end": "02:57:51", "text": "that John is talking about"}, {"start": "02:57:50", "end": "02:57:52", "text": ">> the alien interview."}, {"start": "02:57:51", "end": "02:57:54", "text": ">> The alien interview."}, {"start": "02:57:52", "end": "02:57:56", "text": ">> You You feel like that film is real?"}, {"start": "02:57:54", "end": "02:57:59", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I know it is because the guy"}, {"start": "02:57:56", "end": "02:58:01", "text": "that smuggled it out uh spoke Victor"}, {"start": "02:57:59", "end": "02:58:03", "text": ">> at at a No,"}, {"start": "02:58:01", "end": "02:58:05", "text": ">> no. the guy who gave it to Victor."}, {"start": "02:58:03", "end": "02:58:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Gave it to Victor, the Air Force"}, {"start": "02:58:05", "end": "02:58:10", "text": "sergeant that smuggled it out. He worked"}, {"start": "02:58:07", "end": "02:58:14", "text": "in the audio visual uh lab at at Groom"}, {"start": "02:58:10", "end": "02:58:16", "text": "Lake. Um he had access to where he could"}, {"start": "02:58:14", "end": "02:58:18", "text": "copy that, right? He had"}, {"start": "02:58:16", "end": "02:58:20", "text": ">> Yeah, you would have to Yeah."}, {"start": "02:58:18", "end": "02:58:22", "text": ">> the the video or whatever how they did"}, {"start": "02:58:20", "end": "02:58:23", "text": "that. I think it was on a"}, {"start": "02:58:22", "end": "02:58:25", "text": ">> And it was during a time they were sort"}, {"start": "02:58:23", "end": "02:58:27", "text": "of digitizing everything."}, {"start": "02:58:25", "end": "02:58:29", "text": ">> Digitizing it, right? Exactly. And so he"}, {"start": "02:58:27", "end": "02:58:31", "text": "was able to smuggle it out, keep it, and"}, {"start": "02:58:29", "end": "02:58:32", "text": "eventually gave it to Victor. And then"}, {"start": "02:58:31", "end": "02:58:34", "text": "the story of Victor."}, {"start": "02:58:32", "end": "02:58:36", "text": ">> You don't think that that could be"}, {"start": "02:58:34", "end": "02:58:40", "text": "passage material?"}, {"start": "02:58:36", "end": "02:58:41", "text": ">> No. He spoke to us uh a couple different"}, {"start": "02:58:40", "end": "02:58:44", "text": "times"}, {"start": "02:58:41", "end": "02:58:46", "text": "uh the technician and he uh and he"}, {"start": "02:58:44", "end": "02:58:50", "text": "doesn't want his name because he still"}, {"start": "02:58:46", "end": "02:58:51", "text": "feels well he could still be prosecuted."}, {"start": "02:58:50", "end": "02:58:54", "text": ">> Unauorized disclosure class of"}, {"start": "02:58:51", "end": "02:58:55", "text": "information. There's no statute of"}, {"start": "02:58:54", "end": "02:58:57", "text": "limitations on that. Yeah, but I mean"}, {"start": "02:58:55", "end": "02:58:59", "text": "you'd have to admit to something else."}, {"start": "02:58:57", "end": "02:59:01", "text": ">> I know. I [laughter] know. But uh you"}, {"start": "02:58:59", "end": "02:59:03", "text": "know, he emphatically told us that"}, {"start": "02:59:01", "end": "02:59:05", "text": "that's what he did and that's why John"}, {"start": "02:59:03", "end": "02:59:05", "text": "knows what the chain of events was."}, {"start": "02:59:05", "end": "02:59:08", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "02:59:05", "end": "02:59:09", "text": ">> Was and and so"}, {"start": "02:59:08", "end": "02:59:11", "text": ">> you're convinced without a doubt that"}, {"start": "02:59:09", "end": "02:59:11", "text": "that is a real alien that we're looking"}, {"start": "02:59:11", "end": "02:59:12", "text": "at."}, {"start": "02:59:11", "end": "02:59:15", "text": ">> I am. Yes."}, {"start": "02:59:12", "end": "02:59:17", "text": ">> Any other video online that you would"}, {"start": "02:59:15", "end": "02:59:19", "text": "say that is without a doubt real?"}, {"start": "02:59:17", "end": "02:59:20", "text": "Whether UFO or alien?"}, {"start": "02:59:19", "end": "02:59:22", "text": ">> There's a couple."}, {"start": "02:59:20", "end": "02:59:23", "text": ">> Which ones? I'd have to show them. I I"}, {"start": "02:59:22", "end": "02:59:25", "text": "don't have them right here."}, {"start": "02:59:23", "end": "02:59:27", "text": ">> Okay. We can talk about it. We could I"}, {"start": "02:59:25", "end": "02:59:28", "text": "have some that I'll give to you."}, {"start": "02:59:27", "end": "02:59:30", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:59:28", "end": "02:59:33", "text": ">> You think it pretty sure is real."}, {"start": "02:59:30", "end": "02:59:35", "text": ">> Okay. Not the Skinny Bob. Nothing like"}, {"start": "02:59:33", "end": "02:59:37", "text": "that."}, {"start": "02:59:35", "end": "02:59:38", "text": ">> I'd have to see it. Okay. Because"}, {"start": "02:59:37", "end": "02:59:40", "text": "there's two different ones named Skinny"}, {"start": "02:59:38", "end": "02:59:41", "text": "Bob. But yeah."}, {"start": "02:59:40", "end": "02:59:45", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:59:41", "end": "02:59:48", "text": ">> I'd have to the the one the most famous"}, {"start": "02:59:45", "end": "02:59:51", "text": "foot fake one was the one where that you"}, {"start": "02:59:48", "end": "02:59:54", "text": "see the military officers holding this"}, {"start": "02:59:51", "end": "02:59:56", "text": "doll. It was a doll. It was a joke"}, {"start": "02:59:54", "end": "02:59:57", "text": "actually. Uh, somebody took a picture"}, {"start": "02:59:56", "end": "02:59:59", "text": "and now"}, {"start": "02:59:57", "end": "03:00:01", "text": ">> they're claiming it was an extra trust."}, {"start": "02:59:59", "end": "03:00:01", "text": ">> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. It was a doll. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:01", "end": "03:00:05", "text": "Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:01", "end": "03:00:08", "text": ">> Has a doll. Anyways, um, yeah, we can"}, {"start": "03:00:05", "end": "03:00:10", "text": ">> What about there's this video where it"}, {"start": "03:00:08", "end": "03:00:13", "text": "seems like it's an a crash site or"}, {"start": "03:00:10", "end": "03:00:15", "text": "something. Um, maybe in the 40s. It's"}, {"start": "03:00:13", "end": "03:00:19", "text": "sort of sepia"}, {"start": "03:00:15", "end": "03:00:22", "text": "brownish hues. And there looks to be on"}, {"start": "03:00:19", "end": "03:00:24", "text": "a stretcher like a tiny body and like"}, {"start": "03:00:22", "end": "03:00:25", "text": "military officials. It's very brief. Do"}, {"start": "03:00:24", "end": "03:00:25", "text": "you know this one?"}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:26", "text": ">> No, I don't."}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:27", "text": ">> Okay, maybe I'll show that to you"}, {"start": "03:00:26", "end": "03:00:28", "text": "afterwards."}, {"start": "03:00:27", "end": "03:00:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:28", "end": "03:00:33", "text": ">> Um, cool. Okay. Well, yeah, I don't know"}, {"start": "03:00:32", "end": "03:00:36", "text": "where I sit with that. That's a weird"}, {"start": "03:00:33", "end": "03:00:38", "text": "one because on one hand"}, {"start": "03:00:36", "end": "03:00:40", "text": "I,"}, {"start": "03:00:38", "end": "03:00:42", "text": "you know, you look at that video and"}, {"start": "03:00:40", "end": "03:00:44", "text": "parts of it are,"}, {"start": "03:00:42", "end": "03:00:45", "text": ">> you know, alarming because it, you know,"}, {"start": "03:00:44", "end": "03:00:48", "text": "looks like a being that's in distress"}, {"start": "03:00:45", "end": "03:00:49", "text": "and being sort of tampered. But the"}, {"start": "03:00:48", "end": "03:00:51", "text": "other part of me is like this kind of"}, {"start": "03:00:49", "end": "03:00:54", "text": "looks like a puppet. This kind But"}, {"start": "03:00:51", "end": "03:00:56", "text": "again, I don't know what an alien looks"}, {"start": "03:00:54", "end": "03:00:57", "text": "like or how it moves, right? So maybe"}, {"start": "03:00:56", "end": "03:01:00", "text": "that's the only way I can describe it."}, {"start": "03:00:57", "end": "03:01:02", "text": "But when I see it, I see it, you know,"}, {"start": "03:01:00", "end": "03:01:05", "text": "kind of doing doing this here."}, {"start": "03:01:02", "end": "03:01:07", "text": ">> Yeah. It feels like it's puppetry. Um,"}, {"start": "03:01:05", "end": "03:01:10", "text": "which leads me to believe that at the"}, {"start": "03:01:07", "end": "03:01:12", "text": "maybe at the very least like this was"}, {"start": "03:01:10", "end": "03:01:14", "text": "made"}, {"start": "03:01:12", "end": "03:01:16", "text": "to replicate a real video, you know, and"}, {"start": "03:01:14", "end": "03:01:17", "text": "I think John I think that's where he"}, {"start": "03:01:16", "end": "03:01:20", "text": "sits as well."}, {"start": "03:01:17", "end": "03:01:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh,"}, {"start": "03:01:20", "end": "03:01:22", "text": ">> you don't think that that was the case?"}, {"start": "03:01:22", "end": "03:01:27", "text": ">> I I don't think so."}, {"start": "03:01:22", "end": "03:01:28", "text": ">> Like this guy smuggled out a real video"}, {"start": "03:01:27", "end": "03:01:31", "text": "of"}, {"start": "03:01:28", "end": "03:01:34", "text": "something that was recreated."}, {"start": "03:01:31", "end": "03:01:35", "text": "He just unknowingly smuggled out the"}, {"start": "03:01:34", "end": "03:01:37", "text": "recreation. Do you don't think that that"}, {"start": "03:01:35", "end": "03:01:40", "text": "is a possibility?"}, {"start": "03:01:37", "end": "03:01:43", "text": ">> I guess it's a possibility. Uh but I go"}, {"start": "03:01:40", "end": "03:01:44", "text": "back to I know the facility. I've been"}, {"start": "03:01:43", "end": "03:01:48", "text": "at the facility."}, {"start": "03:01:44", "end": "03:01:50", "text": ">> I saw closed circuit"}, {"start": "03:01:48", "end": "03:01:54", "text": "uh watching a closed circuit television"}, {"start": "03:01:50", "end": "03:01:56", "text": "camera of an alien inside. I went in"}, {"start": "03:01:54", "end": "03:01:59", "text": "there to interview somebody. I wasn't"}, {"start": "03:01:56", "end": "03:02:01", "text": "supposed to see this. I was in there"}, {"start": "03:01:59", "end": "03:02:02", "text": "watching this and I asked the guy that I"}, {"start": "03:02:01", "end": "03:02:04", "text": "was supposed to be interviewed. I said,"}, {"start": "03:02:02", "end": "03:02:06", "text": "'What's that? He said, \"Oh, they're"}, {"start": "03:02:04", "end": "03:02:09", "text": "talking to one of the visitors. They"}, {"start": "03:02:06", "end": "03:02:12", "text": "call them visitors.\" And I I watched,"}, {"start": "03:02:09", "end": "03:02:15", "text": "you know, I watched maybe, you know, 20"}, {"start": "03:02:12", "end": "03:02:16", "text": "seconds, 25 seconds of it. And then this"}, {"start": "03:02:15", "end": "03:02:18", "text": "colonel comes in. He said, \"Uh, can I"}, {"start": "03:02:16", "end": "03:02:19", "text": "help you?\" And I said, \"Yeah, I'm here"}, {"start": "03:02:18", "end": "03:02:21", "text": "to interview so- and so.\" And he said,"}, {"start": "03:02:19", "end": "03:02:23", "text": "\"You're not cleared for here, sir. You"}, {"start": "03:02:21", "end": "03:02:25", "text": "need to get out of here.\" I wasn't"}, {"start": "03:02:23", "end": "03:02:27", "text": "cleared for their but I didn't know that"}, {"start": "03:02:25", "end": "03:02:28", "text": "they were doing this. So, I know that"}, {"start": "03:02:27", "end": "03:02:30", "text": "they do that."}, {"start": "03:02:28", "end": "03:02:31", "text": ">> Yeah. They weren't trying to pull one"}, {"start": "03:02:30", "end": "03:02:31", "text": "over on you. They didn't know you were"}, {"start": "03:02:31", "end": "03:02:34", "text": "there."}, {"start": "03:02:31", "end": "03:02:36", "text": ">> No. So, I had to get out. And then when"}, {"start": "03:02:34", "end": "03:02:37", "text": "I got out, he said, \"Where do you work?\""}, {"start": "03:02:36", "end": "03:02:39", "text": "I said, \"I'm OSI.\" And I showed him my"}, {"start": "03:02:37", "end": "03:02:41", "text": "OSI. He said, \"Oh, okay. Never mind.\" I"}, {"start": "03:02:39", "end": "03:02:45", "text": "guess he assumed I was cleared, but I"}, {"start": "03:02:41", "end": "03:02:47", "text": "wasn't. So, what I had to do when you"}, {"start": "03:02:45", "end": "03:02:49", "text": "when you uh get access to something"}, {"start": "03:02:47", "end": "03:02:51", "text": "you're not cleared for, you have to"}, {"start": "03:02:49", "end": "03:02:53", "text": "report it and you know, all these"}, {"start": "03:02:51", "end": "03:02:55", "text": "seizures. I went back to the office and"}, {"start": "03:02:53", "end": "03:02:57", "text": "I told my boss, I said, you know, I told"}, {"start": "03:02:55", "end": "03:03:00", "text": "him what happened. And he said, \"What"}, {"start": "03:02:57", "end": "03:03:04", "text": "did you see?\" And I told him, he said,"}, {"start": "03:03:00", "end": "03:03:07", "text": "\"Uh, fill out a form 18 and it's like a"}, {"start": "03:03:04", "end": "03:03:09", "text": "a form that uh that I had acknowledged"}, {"start": "03:03:07", "end": "03:03:10", "text": "that I had access to something. I was"}, {"start": "03:03:09", "end": "03:03:12", "text": "unauthorized.\""}, {"start": "03:03:10", "end": "03:03:14", "text": ">> Yeah. And he said, \"I'll sign off on"}, {"start": "03:03:12", "end": "03:03:16", "text": "it.\" And they'll do it again. You know,"}, {"start": "03:03:14", "end": "03:03:18", "text": "he had to counsel me or something."}, {"start": "03:03:16", "end": "03:03:21", "text": ">> There's a couple forms you had to fill"}, {"start": "03:03:18", "end": "03:03:22", "text": "out. So, I know that that that happens."}, {"start": "03:03:21", "end": "03:03:24", "text": "I saw it"}, {"start": "03:03:22", "end": "03:03:26", "text": ">> and it was the same"}, {"start": "03:03:24", "end": "03:03:27", "text": ">> similar. Okay."}, {"start": "03:03:26", "end": "03:03:30", "text": ">> With a similar I mean I can't say"}, {"start": "03:03:27", "end": "03:03:33", "text": ">> big head big head large but it was it"}, {"start": "03:03:30", "end": "03:03:37", "text": "was in a like a"}, {"start": "03:03:33", "end": "03:03:39", "text": "one of these um swings that you'd put uh"}, {"start": "03:03:37", "end": "03:03:41", "text": "somebody that was disabled in you know"}, {"start": "03:03:39", "end": "03:03:43", "text": "these uh"}, {"start": "03:03:41", "end": "03:03:44", "text": ">> swings. It it was in a swing like a"}, {"start": "03:03:43", "end": "03:03:46", "text": "harness"}, {"start": "03:03:44", "end": "03:03:51", "text": ">> and it had straps around him. His head"}, {"start": "03:03:46", "end": "03:03:52", "text": "looked exactly like that one. And uh I"}, {"start": "03:03:51", "end": "03:03:56", "text": "didn't see the people. I didn't see the"}, {"start": "03:03:52", "end": "03:03:59", "text": "whoever was in the room, but it was it"}, {"start": "03:03:56", "end": "03:04:01", "text": "was moving like it was talking. But, you"}, {"start": "03:03:59", "end": "03:04:03", "text": "know, I said I only had short period of"}, {"start": "03:04:01", "end": "03:04:05", "text": "time to watch. I would want to watch all"}, {"start": "03:04:03", "end": "03:04:07", "text": "of it, but because it really perked my"}, {"start": "03:04:05", "end": "03:04:09", "text": "interest, I thought, \"Holy they"}, {"start": "03:04:07", "end": "03:04:11", "text": "got him in here.\" Yeah. I thought I knew"}, {"start": "03:04:09", "end": "03:04:13", "text": "I what the facility was,"}, {"start": "03:04:11", "end": "03:04:16", "text": ">> but I never, you know, I wasn't there"}, {"start": "03:04:13", "end": "03:04:19", "text": "was an OSI agent that was responsible"}, {"start": "03:04:16", "end": "03:04:21", "text": "for that area. It wasn't me, but I knew"}, {"start": "03:04:19", "end": "03:04:23", "text": "it was there. Now I know what they had"}, {"start": "03:04:21", "end": "03:04:26", "text": "there. At least one."}, {"start": "03:04:23", "end": "03:04:29", "text": ">> You've had so many interesting"}, {"start": "03:04:26", "end": "03:04:31", "text": "encounters. Um"}, {"start": "03:04:29", "end": "03:04:32", "text": ">> I wish I had more. [laughter]"}, {"start": "03:04:31", "end": "03:04:34", "text": ">> There's never enough."}, {"start": "03:04:32", "end": "03:04:36", "text": ">> Never enough."}, {"start": "03:04:34", "end": "03:04:38", "text": ">> But you you talk about it so flippantly"}, {"start": "03:04:36", "end": "03:04:41", "text": "like how how do you get to that point? I"}, {"start": "03:04:38", "end": "03:04:43", "text": "feel like a lot of people,"}, {"start": "03:04:41", "end": "03:04:45", "text": "you know, I don't know. I don't know how"}, {"start": "03:04:43", "end": "03:04:48", "text": "I would process all that information, I"}, {"start": "03:04:45", "end": "03:04:51", "text": "guess. And I'm just kind of it's not"}, {"start": "03:04:48", "end": "03:04:53", "text": "every day that you get to, you know,"}, {"start": "03:04:51", "end": "03:04:55", "text": "see something like that and then even"}, {"start": "03:04:53", "end": "03:04:58", "text": "know how to process it. Like I don't"}, {"start": "03:04:55", "end": "03:05:00", "text": "even know how I would process it. Well,"}, {"start": "03:04:58", "end": "03:05:03", "text": "first of all, you didn't go through all"}, {"start": "03:05:00", "end": "03:05:05", "text": "the prerequisites to get becoming an"}, {"start": "03:05:03", "end": "03:05:07", "text": "intelligence officer. You didn't go"}, {"start": "03:05:05", "end": "03:05:08", "text": "through all the psychological testing."}, {"start": "03:05:07", "end": "03:05:11", "text": "You didn't go through the intelligence"}, {"start": "03:05:08", "end": "03:05:14", "text": "operations course that prepares you for"}, {"start": "03:05:11", "end": "03:05:17", "text": "the unknown. So, that helped. But I'm a"}, {"start": "03:05:14", "end": "03:05:20", "text": "human being and yeah, there's a lot of"}, {"start": "03:05:17", "end": "03:05:23", "text": "things that I saw that I can't explain."}, {"start": "03:05:20", "end": "03:05:25", "text": "The briefing that I had in 1979 that I"}, {"start": "03:05:23", "end": "03:05:28", "text": "didn't believe, but then I realized yet"}, {"start": "03:05:25", "end": "03:05:33", "text": "was real. Uh some other things that I"}, {"start": "03:05:28", "end": "03:05:36", "text": "had access to, uh to this day, uh I'm"}, {"start": "03:05:33", "end": "03:05:37", "text": "not sure what I saw. I mean, I saw it,"}, {"start": "03:05:36", "end": "03:05:39", "text": "you know, with my own eyes and there"}, {"start": "03:05:37", "end": "03:05:43", "text": "were other people with me when they saw"}, {"start": "03:05:39", "end": "03:05:44", "text": "it, but I can't explain it. And so,"}, {"start": "03:05:43", "end": "03:05:46", "text": "yeah, there's a lot of things that I"}, {"start": "03:05:44", "end": "03:05:50", "text": "can't explain that I saw. And there's"}, {"start": "03:05:46", "end": "03:05:53", "text": "things that I did that I was told to do"}, {"start": "03:05:50", "end": "03:05:56", "text": "and I did it because I that's my job."}, {"start": "03:05:53", "end": "03:05:59", "text": "I'm following orders that I wish I"}, {"start": "03:05:56", "end": "03:06:01", "text": "didn't do or I wish I didn't see. And a"}, {"start": "03:05:59", "end": "03:06:05", "text": "lot of that as were abductions"}, {"start": "03:06:01", "end": "03:06:08", "text": "because after the sergeant's abduction"}, {"start": "03:06:05", "end": "03:06:10", "text": "and all her case uh it was very"}, {"start": "03:06:08", "end": "03:06:12", "text": "difficult to believe anybody unless they"}, {"start": "03:06:10", "end": "03:06:14", "text": "had you know really really really good"}, {"start": "03:06:12", "end": "03:06:16", "text": "proofs. And there was a case another"}, {"start": "03:06:14", "end": "03:06:18", "text": "case I was involved in. I I wasn't I"}, {"start": "03:06:16", "end": "03:06:20", "text": "wasn't a case agent for it. I just had"}, {"start": "03:06:18", "end": "03:06:23", "text": "very very very limited access to it."}, {"start": "03:06:20", "end": "03:06:25", "text": "Another female she was a dependent wife"}, {"start": "03:06:23", "end": "03:06:27", "text": "of a captain. She she wasn't in the air"}, {"start": "03:06:25", "end": "03:06:28", "text": "force. She was a dependent wife. You"}, {"start": "03:06:27", "end": "03:06:30", "text": "know what that mean? You know what that"}, {"start": "03:06:28", "end": "03:06:31", "text": "means. And uh yeah, your mother."}, {"start": "03:06:30", "end": "03:06:36", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "03:06:31", "end": "03:06:40", "text": "And um so she had an experience"}, {"start": "03:06:36", "end": "03:06:41", "text": "that I took the initial report on"}, {"start": "03:06:40", "end": "03:06:45", "text": "that"}, {"start": "03:06:41", "end": "03:06:48", "text": "made us believe that she"}, {"start": "03:06:45", "end": "03:06:51", "text": "was having an affair and was covering"}, {"start": "03:06:48", "end": "03:06:54", "text": "the affair with this supposed"}, {"start": "03:06:51", "end": "03:06:55", "text": ">> But it didn't turn out that way. I mean,"}, {"start": "03:06:54", "end": "03:06:57", "text": "like I said, I only had a little part of"}, {"start": "03:06:55", "end": "03:06:59", "text": "it. Very rare little part of it."}, {"start": "03:06:57", "end": "03:07:01", "text": ">> Did you bring in the widget?"}, {"start": "03:06:59", "end": "03:07:02", "text": ">> Brought in the W. They they brought in"}, {"start": "03:07:01", "end": "03:07:03", "text": "the widget"}, {"start": "03:07:02", "end": "03:07:04", "text": ">> and that confirmed it."}, {"start": "03:07:03", "end": "03:07:09", "text": ">> That confirmed that she was telling the"}, {"start": "03:07:04", "end": "03:07:10", "text": "truth. The facts to the case. And if if"}, {"start": "03:07:09", "end": "03:07:11", "text": "we have time, I"}, {"start": "03:07:10", "end": "03:07:14", "text": ">> we have plenty of time."}, {"start": "03:07:11", "end": "03:07:15", "text": ">> Okay. Uh she's driving uh she leaves"}, {"start": "03:07:14", "end": "03:07:19", "text": "Kirtland. She's driving on the"}, {"start": "03:07:15", "end": "03:07:20", "text": "Interstate 25 to Colorado. Her uh I"}, {"start": "03:07:19", "end": "03:07:23", "text": "don't know, some relatives live in"}, {"start": "03:07:20", "end": "03:07:25", "text": "Colorado. She has her I don't know a"}, {"start": "03:07:23", "end": "03:07:26", "text": "small child I think seven month or"}, {"start": "03:07:25", "end": "03:07:29", "text": "eightmonth old child in the back seat in"}, {"start": "03:07:26", "end": "03:07:32", "text": "a car seat. She's driving. She gets near"}, {"start": "03:07:29", "end": "03:07:34", "text": "Springer, New Mexico, which is uh you"}, {"start": "03:07:32", "end": "03:07:35", "text": "know about 40 miles from the Colorado"}, {"start": "03:07:34", "end": "03:07:35", "text": "state line."}, {"start": "03:07:35", "end": "03:07:38", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:07:35", "end": "03:07:41", "text": ">> And uh the car she has problems with the"}, {"start": "03:07:38", "end": "03:07:43", "text": "car. She pulls off the side of the road."}, {"start": "03:07:41", "end": "03:07:44", "text": "It's just before the first exit going"}, {"start": "03:07:43", "end": "03:07:48", "text": "into Springer, New Mexico, little little"}, {"start": "03:07:44", "end": "03:07:49", "text": "town. And all of a sudden the car lights"}, {"start": "03:07:48", "end": "03:07:54", "text": "up."}, {"start": "03:07:49", "end": "03:07:59", "text": "She feels dizzy and she loses time. She"}, {"start": "03:07:54", "end": "03:08:02", "text": "wakes up at Eagle Nest Lake, which is 70"}, {"start": "03:07:59", "end": "03:08:05", "text": "miles away to the west. She doesn't have"}, {"start": "03:08:02", "end": "03:08:06", "text": "her child with her."}, {"start": "03:08:05", "end": "03:08:08", "text": "She doesn't know where she is. She"}, {"start": "03:08:06", "end": "03:08:12", "text": "doesn't know what happened 6 hours"}, {"start": "03:08:08", "end": "03:08:14", "text": "later. Well, fortunately, a New Mexico"}, {"start": "03:08:12", "end": "03:08:16", "text": "State trooper saw the vehicle at the"}, {"start": "03:08:14", "end": "03:08:18", "text": "side of the road, pulls up, looks in,"}, {"start": "03:08:16", "end": "03:08:20", "text": "sees a baby, doesn't see anybody around,"}, {"start": "03:08:18", "end": "03:08:23", "text": "you know, and calls and takes care, you"}, {"start": "03:08:20", "end": "03:08:25", "text": "know, takes care of the child. Uh, but"}, {"start": "03:08:23", "end": "03:08:28", "text": "then he he does his investigation and"}, {"start": "03:08:25", "end": "03:08:31", "text": "finds that this woman, you know, runs"}, {"start": "03:08:28", "end": "03:08:33", "text": "the plate and finds out this woman is is"}, {"start": "03:08:31", "end": "03:08:37", "text": "supposed to be in a car. He calls back"}, {"start": "03:08:33", "end": "03:08:38", "text": "to the base and the gets a hold of the"}, {"start": "03:08:37", "end": "03:08:40", "text": "husband who had been working or"}, {"start": "03:08:38", "end": "03:08:44", "text": "something something a captain and said"}, {"start": "03:08:40", "end": "03:08:47", "text": "no my wife left uh to go to uh I think"}, {"start": "03:08:44", "end": "03:08:48", "text": "Publo Colorado to visit relatives and"}, {"start": "03:08:47", "end": "03:08:50", "text": "they said well we found your baby in a"}, {"start": "03:08:48", "end": "03:08:53", "text": "car but we can't find her where would"}, {"start": "03:08:50", "end": "03:08:53", "text": "she be"}, {"start": "03:08:54", "end": "03:09:00", "text": "a fisherman jump up the eagle nest lake"}, {"start": "03:08:57", "end": "03:09:02", "text": "it's big lake in northern New Mexico he"}, {"start": "03:09:00", "end": "03:09:03", "text": "finds her walking along the shoreline of"}, {"start": "03:09:02", "end": "03:09:05", "text": "this like and he asked him, \"Ma'am,"}, {"start": "03:09:03", "end": "03:09:07", "text": "what's wrong?\" And she's all excited,"}, {"start": "03:09:05", "end": "03:09:11", "text": "crying. I don't know where my baby is."}, {"start": "03:09:07", "end": "03:09:13", "text": "Uh he he where where'd you come from? My"}, {"start": "03:09:11", "end": "03:09:15", "text": "car. My car. So him and another"}, {"start": "03:09:13", "end": "03:09:16", "text": "fisherman are looking all over for a"}, {"start": "03:09:15", "end": "03:09:19", "text": "car. Thought that there's only one way"}, {"start": "03:09:16", "end": "03:09:24", "text": "down at a road. They can't find a car."}, {"start": "03:09:19", "end": "03:09:25", "text": "So they call uh We didn't have 911 back"}, {"start": "03:09:24", "end": "03:09:26", "text": "in those days."}, {"start": "03:09:25", "end": "03:09:30", "text": ">> Was 411, was it?"}, {"start": "03:09:26", "end": "03:09:33", "text": ">> Yeah. No, it was zero operator. Uh he"}, {"start": "03:09:30", "end": "03:09:36", "text": "well he had to go to a place to call. He"}, {"start": "03:09:33", "end": "03:09:39", "text": "left somebody in char of her and drives"}, {"start": "03:09:36", "end": "03:09:45", "text": "to this gas station uh you know 7 milesi"}, {"start": "03:09:39", "end": "03:09:47", "text": "away you know calls and so uh the law"}, {"start": "03:09:45", "end": "03:09:49", "text": "enforcement in there is state police."}, {"start": "03:09:47", "end": "03:09:51", "text": "They come down there. Well they know her"}, {"start": "03:09:49", "end": "03:09:54", "text": "name because the other trooper over in"}, {"start": "03:09:51", "end": "03:09:57", "text": "Springer found the vehicle. And so they"}, {"start": "03:09:54", "end": "03:10:00", "text": "take her and they they immediately take"}, {"start": "03:09:57", "end": "03:10:02", "text": "her to a hospital. And the the closest"}, {"start": "03:10:00", "end": "03:10:04", "text": "hospital was in Raton, New Mexico, right"}, {"start": "03:10:02", "end": "03:10:07", "text": "up near the state line. That's closest"}, {"start": "03:10:04", "end": "03:10:08", "text": "hospital cuz she was uh"}, {"start": "03:10:07", "end": "03:10:11", "text": ">> delirious"}, {"start": "03:10:08", "end": "03:10:13", "text": ">> delirious and and suffering from uh pain"}, {"start": "03:10:11", "end": "03:10:16", "text": "all over her body. So they take her up"}, {"start": "03:10:13", "end": "03:10:20", "text": "there and fortunately the baby was taken"}, {"start": "03:10:16", "end": "03:10:22", "text": "there too to the to the uh uh needle"}, {"start": "03:10:20", "end": "03:10:26", "text": "natal care or the or the pediatrics care"}, {"start": "03:10:22", "end": "03:10:27", "text": "unit there. So they inter they examined"}, {"start": "03:10:26", "end": "03:10:31", "text": "her and said, \"Well, man, you you've"}, {"start": "03:10:27", "end": "03:10:34", "text": "been you've been raped.\" And she said,"}, {"start": "03:10:31", "end": "03:10:38", "text": "\"Oh, uh, no, I I was in my car.\" She"}, {"start": "03:10:34", "end": "03:10:40", "text": "tells a story. Well, jump. The next"}, {"start": "03:10:38", "end": "03:10:45", "text": "afternoon, the captain comes to our"}, {"start": "03:10:40", "end": "03:10:46", "text": "office with her and tells us a story"}, {"start": "03:10:45", "end": "03:10:48", "text": "and and I take the rep, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "03:10:46", "end": "03:10:50", "text": "there and listen to the captain and"}, {"start": "03:10:48", "end": "03:10:53", "text": "she's she's out in a waiting room. She's"}, {"start": "03:10:50", "end": "03:10:55", "text": "not in back my because my area was all"}, {"start": "03:10:53", "end": "03:10:57", "text": "secure. I listened to him. I said, \"This"}, {"start": "03:10:55", "end": "03:11:00", "text": "is what she told you?\" Yeah. I said,"}, {"start": "03:10:57", "end": "03:11:03", "text": "\"And she was raped by somebody.\" Yeah. I"}, {"start": "03:11:00", "end": "03:11:06", "text": "said, \"Well, well, why why do you think"}, {"start": "03:11:03", "end": "03:11:08", "text": "it's UFO related?\" He says, \"She was"}, {"start": "03:11:06", "end": "03:11:11", "text": "taken out of a vehicle into the into the"}, {"start": "03:11:08", "end": "03:11:14", "text": "flying saucer.\""}, {"start": "03:11:11", "end": "03:11:16", "text": "Okay. I don't don't believe it. I said,"}, {"start": "03:11:14", "end": "03:11:17", "text": "\"Okay.\" So, I said, \"Well, we'll"}, {"start": "03:11:16", "end": "03:11:20", "text": "interview her, but I have to have a"}, {"start": "03:11:17", "end": "03:11:22", "text": "female agent.\" So we we had them but"}, {"start": "03:11:20", "end": "03:11:23", "text": "they one was out. So we had to wait a"}, {"start": "03:11:22", "end": "03:11:25", "text": "while and we get her back there. We get"}, {"start": "03:11:23", "end": "03:11:28", "text": "the female agent and she tells us the"}, {"start": "03:11:25", "end": "03:11:31", "text": "story just as I told you that she's"}, {"start": "03:11:28", "end": "03:11:33", "text": "driving and she pulls off and uh some"}, {"start": "03:11:31", "end": "03:11:34", "text": "the car lights up and she doesn't know"}, {"start": "03:11:33", "end": "03:11:37", "text": "where she went and she wakes up on the"}, {"start": "03:11:34", "end": "03:11:40", "text": "shoreline of this lake and she panics"}, {"start": "03:11:37", "end": "03:11:42", "text": "because her baby's not there. And I"}, {"start": "03:11:40", "end": "03:11:45", "text": "said, \"Well, what happened?\" I don't"}, {"start": "03:11:42", "end": "03:11:48", "text": "know. I said, \"Did who who raped you?\""}, {"start": "03:11:45", "end": "03:11:50", "text": "\"I don't know.\" I said, ' But you knew"}, {"start": "03:11:48", "end": "03:11:52", "text": "you were raped?' No, I don't know."}, {"start": "03:11:50", "end": "03:11:56", "text": "That's what the doctor told me. I said,"}, {"start": "03:11:52", "end": "03:11:58", "text": "' Okay. So,"}, {"start": "03:11:56", "end": "03:12:01", "text": "okay, you raped. That's off base as"}, {"start": "03:11:58", "end": "03:12:02", "text": "civilians kind of let the state police"}, {"start": "03:12:01", "end": "03:12:04", "text": "handle that. You know, we're going to"}, {"start": "03:12:02", "end": "03:12:05", "text": "we're So, we coordinate with state"}, {"start": "03:12:04", "end": "03:12:08", "text": "police and they say, \"Oh, we got"}, {"start": "03:12:05", "end": "03:12:08", "text": "investigators doing that. We"}, {"start": "03:12:08", "end": "03:12:11", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "03:12:08", "end": "03:12:12", "text": ">> they think the two fishermen might be"}, {"start": "03:12:11", "end": "03:12:14", "text": "involved in this, right? They you know"}, {"start": "03:12:12", "end": "03:12:15", "text": "they back then they didn't have DNA but"}, {"start": "03:12:14", "end": "03:12:16", "text": "they have"}, {"start": "03:12:15", "end": "03:12:18", "text": ">> brought them in for questioning."}, {"start": "03:12:16", "end": "03:12:21", "text": ">> They have uh secretions. If you are a"}, {"start": "03:12:18", "end": "03:12:23", "text": "secretor of something you can tell SP"}, {"start": "03:12:21", "end": "03:12:24", "text": "she didn't have any semen in her."}, {"start": "03:12:23", "end": "03:12:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:12:24", "end": "03:12:30", "text": ">> So they they they cleared them I guess"}, {"start": "03:12:26", "end": "03:12:32", "text": "and uh so then we started delving into"}, {"start": "03:12:30", "end": "03:12:34", "text": "it. Well I didn't. Another agent comes"}, {"start": "03:12:32", "end": "03:12:37", "text": "in and takes it takes the case. So"}, {"start": "03:12:34", "end": "03:12:39", "text": "that's all I was involved in that."}, {"start": "03:12:37", "end": "03:12:41", "text": "Months later,"}, {"start": "03:12:39", "end": "03:12:44", "text": "I was told by this other agent, female"}, {"start": "03:12:41", "end": "03:12:46", "text": "agent, that it was legitimate. She just"}, {"start": "03:12:44", "end": "03:12:48", "text": "came at my office and she says, \"You"}, {"start": "03:12:46", "end": "03:12:50", "text": "remember the certain case?\" \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:12:48", "end": "03:12:51", "text": "legitimate.\" and walked out."}, {"start": "03:12:50", "end": "03:12:54", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:12:51", "end": "03:12:54", "text": ">> So, that was my limited briefing access."}, {"start": "03:12:54", "end": "03:12:57", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:12:54", "end": "03:13:00", "text": ">> So, it it it really happened."}, {"start": "03:12:57", "end": "03:13:04", "text": ">> What's your best guess as to why and and"}, {"start": "03:13:00", "end": "03:13:07", "text": "it's mostly women why the abductions"}, {"start": "03:13:04", "end": "03:13:09", "text": "take place? They're interested in our"}, {"start": "03:13:07", "end": "03:13:12", "text": "body structures. Their their bodies,"}, {"start": "03:13:09", "end": "03:13:14", "text": "their biologics are entire entirely"}, {"start": "03:13:12", "end": "03:13:16", "text": "different than ours. Uh their makeup of"}, {"start": "03:13:14", "end": "03:13:18", "text": "their sk of of our skin, their skin,"}, {"start": "03:13:16", "end": "03:13:22", "text": "everything's different. Eyes are"}, {"start": "03:13:18", "end": "03:13:26", "text": "different. Uh they're interested in us."}, {"start": "03:13:22", "end": "03:13:30", "text": "And they're interested in how we uh uh"}, {"start": "03:13:26", "end": "03:13:34", "text": "populate, how uh you know, how we uh can"}, {"start": "03:13:30", "end": "03:13:36", "text": "move uh how our eyes move, what we see"}, {"start": "03:13:34", "end": "03:13:38", "text": "when we we all these things they're"}, {"start": "03:13:36", "end": "03:13:39", "text": "interested in. And this is me. This is"}, {"start": "03:13:38", "end": "03:13:41", "text": "Rick Dodie talking. This isn't something"}, {"start": "03:13:39", "end": "03:13:42", "text": "I read out of some document."}, {"start": "03:13:41", "end": "03:13:44", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "03:13:42", "end": "03:13:48", "text": ">> Uh I think that they're so interested in"}, {"start": "03:13:44", "end": "03:13:50", "text": "us that they want to experiment with us,"}, {"start": "03:13:48", "end": "03:13:52", "text": "but they don't want to harm us. And"}, {"start": "03:13:50", "end": "03:13:55", "text": "that's why all these abductions"}, {"start": "03:13:52", "end": "03:13:58", "text": "occurring and from different species and"}, {"start": "03:13:55", "end": "03:14:02", "text": "they're just trying to examine us as we"}, {"start": "03:13:58", "end": "03:14:04", "text": "would them. We have and now I'm talking"}, {"start": "03:14:02", "end": "03:14:06", "text": "from experience. We have"}, {"start": "03:14:04", "end": "03:14:10", "text": "extraterrestrials in captivity. I know"}, {"start": "03:14:06", "end": "03:14:14", "text": "that I saw one at least one. I know that"}, {"start": "03:14:10", "end": "03:14:17", "text": "there were others. There were 20 I think"}, {"start": "03:14:14", "end": "03:14:20", "text": "24 uh uh six"}, {"start": "03:14:17", "end": "03:14:24", "text": "uh no 30. There were 30 uh environmental"}, {"start": "03:14:20", "end": "03:14:26", "text": "cages or facilities that could house"}, {"start": "03:14:24", "end": "03:14:29", "text": "them. Different types of environment."}, {"start": "03:14:26", "end": "03:14:31", "text": "Some where the extraterrestrials were"}, {"start": "03:14:29", "end": "03:14:35", "text": "breathing a little bit of methane. And"}, {"start": "03:14:31", "end": "03:14:37", "text": "so all this is happening. I know it. And"}, {"start": "03:14:35", "end": "03:14:39", "text": "so we're experimenting trying to figure"}, {"start": "03:14:37", "end": "03:14:42", "text": "out what these things are. We have dead"}, {"start": "03:14:39", "end": "03:14:44", "text": "bodies of them in crash sites. We're"}, {"start": "03:14:42", "end": "03:14:47", "text": "doing autopsies on them. I know that"}, {"start": "03:14:44", "end": "03:14:49", "text": "from people like Kit Green and others uh"}, {"start": "03:14:47", "end": "03:14:51", "text": "that work for the Institute for uh Armed"}, {"start": "03:14:49", "end": "03:14:52", "text": "Force Institute for Pathology."}, {"start": "03:14:51", "end": "03:14:55", "text": ">> Kate Green did autopsies."}, {"start": "03:14:52", "end": "03:14:57", "text": ">> Well, he saw the aftermaths, read"}, {"start": "03:14:55", "end": "03:14:59", "text": "reports."}, {"start": "03:14:57", "end": "03:15:03", "text": "I'll show you a picture of Kit Green to"}, {"start": "03:14:59", "end": "03:15:05", "text": "me here in a afterwards. And um so I"}, {"start": "03:15:03", "end": "03:15:07", "text": "know"}, {"start": "03:15:05", "end": "03:15:09", "text": "what I know and I know that that's what"}, {"start": "03:15:07", "end": "03:15:12", "text": "they're interested in. Now,"}, {"start": "03:15:09", "end": "03:15:13", "text": "technically of what they're doing and"}, {"start": "03:15:12", "end": "03:15:16", "text": "how they're doing it and what they're"}, {"start": "03:15:13", "end": "03:15:17", "text": "doing with it, I don't know. I I I I"}, {"start": "03:15:16", "end": "03:15:19", "text": "wouldn't know. And I don't know what"}, {"start": "03:15:17", "end": "03:15:22", "text": "we're doing with their stuff because I I"}, {"start": "03:15:19", "end": "03:15:24", "text": "don't have a need to know that. And I I"}, {"start": "03:15:22", "end": "03:15:26", "text": "never was in a position to have access"}, {"start": "03:15:24", "end": "03:15:28", "text": "to that type of information."}, {"start": "03:15:26", "end": "03:15:28", "text": ">> No. Well, it's a good guess as any, I"}, {"start": "03:15:28", "end": "03:15:30", "text": "think."}, {"start": "03:15:28", "end": "03:15:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. You know, they want to"}, {"start": "03:15:30", "end": "03:15:34", "text": "know us. They don't want to know why"}, {"start": "03:15:31", "end": "03:15:36", "text": "we're And and again, you look at it in a"}, {"start": "03:15:34", "end": "03:15:38", "text": "different way, the Linda Howell way. And"}, {"start": "03:15:36", "end": "03:15:40", "text": "you know, God bless Linda How. She's"}, {"start": "03:15:38", "end": "03:15:41", "text": "she's a heck of an investigator and been"}, {"start": "03:15:40", "end": "03:15:44", "text": "fantastic for the Lord."}, {"start": "03:15:41", "end": "03:15:48", "text": ">> Uh that that they were they've been here"}, {"start": "03:15:44", "end": "03:15:52", "text": "before us or they put us here. Uh maybe"}, {"start": "03:15:48", "end": "03:15:55", "text": "uh maybe they were here before us. I I"}, {"start": "03:15:52", "end": "03:15:56", "text": "this is Rick Dodie talking only. I"}, {"start": "03:15:55", "end": "03:16:00", "text": "thoroughly believe we had a civilization"}, {"start": "03:15:56", "end": "03:16:03", "text": "on Earth billions of years ago and that"}, {"start": "03:16:00", "end": "03:16:06", "text": "uh we they killed it killed themselves"}, {"start": "03:16:03", "end": "03:16:07", "text": "with nuclear weapons because you can go"}, {"start": "03:16:06", "end": "03:16:10", "text": "to places and I've been there in"}, {"start": "03:16:07", "end": "03:16:13", "text": "Malaysia and one place in Australia"}, {"start": "03:16:10", "end": "03:16:15", "text": "where there's remnants of of radiation"}, {"start": "03:16:13", "end": "03:16:18", "text": "that has gone through their life their"}, {"start": "03:16:15", "end": "03:16:20", "text": "half life and full life which is"}, {"start": "03:16:18", "end": "03:16:22", "text": "millions and and millions of years and"}, {"start": "03:16:20", "end": "03:16:25", "text": "you can find that stuff. Well, we didn't"}, {"start": "03:16:22", "end": "03:16:28", "text": "have radiation nuclear weapons uh"}, {"start": "03:16:25", "end": "03:16:30", "text": "millions and millions of years ago."}, {"start": "03:16:28", "end": "03:16:33", "text": ">> And that couldn't be some type of like a"}, {"start": "03:16:30", "end": "03:16:34", "text": "radiated element like that's like"}, {"start": "03:16:33", "end": "03:16:37", "text": "plutonium or uranium or something."}, {"start": "03:16:34", "end": "03:16:40", "text": ">> I think the experts are saying uh some"}, {"start": "03:16:37", "end": "03:16:44", "text": "of these uh trace elements that they"}, {"start": "03:16:40", "end": "03:16:45", "text": "found were isotopes from uh"}, {"start": "03:16:44", "end": "03:16:47", "text": ">> explosions,"}, {"start": "03:16:45", "end": "03:16:49", "text": ">> ionized radiation that we would have"}, {"start": "03:16:47", "end": "03:16:50", "text": "used in making a nuclear weapon."}, {"start": "03:16:49", "end": "03:16:52", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:16:50", "end": "03:16:56", "text": "Interesting. And so I think at some"}, {"start": "03:16:52", "end": "03:16:58", "text": "point I think there was life on or years"}, {"start": "03:16:56", "end": "03:17:00", "text": "and maybe they went someplace and maybe"}, {"start": "03:16:58", "end": "03:17:02", "text": "they went into another dimension. Maybe"}, {"start": "03:17:00", "end": "03:17:02", "text": "they do live in another dimension"}, {"start": "03:17:02", "end": "03:17:04", "text": ">> underground"}, {"start": "03:17:02", "end": "03:17:05", "text": ">> um or or the bottom of the ocean."}, {"start": "03:17:04", "end": "03:17:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:17:05", "end": "03:17:10", "text": ">> I I have interviewed and I've and"}, {"start": "03:17:08", "end": "03:17:13", "text": "they've been on Gaia interviewed uh"}, {"start": "03:17:10", "end": "03:17:15", "text": "submarine commanders that will swear"}, {"start": "03:17:13", "end": "03:17:16", "text": "that there's civilizations on the bottom"}, {"start": "03:17:15", "end": "03:17:19", "text": "of the ocean."}, {"start": "03:17:16", "end": "03:17:22", "text": "Have you looked into the 4chan"}, {"start": "03:17:19", "end": "03:17:25", "text": "whistleblower as it were? The uh guy who"}, {"start": "03:17:22", "end": "03:17:28", "text": "came out and talked about uh mobile"}, {"start": "03:17:25", "end": "03:17:30", "text": "construction units in the ocean, namely"}, {"start": "03:17:28", "end": "03:17:31", "text": "off the coast of in the Bahamas. In the"}, {"start": "03:17:30", "end": "03:17:33", "text": ">> Bahamas. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:17:31", "end": "03:17:35", "text": ">> Yeah. What do you make of that?"}, {"start": "03:17:33", "end": "03:17:36", "text": ">> That's possible. You know,"}, {"start": "03:17:35", "end": "03:17:40", "text": ">> you've never had any crossover to like"}, {"start": "03:17:36", "end": "03:17:44", "text": "naval intelligence in that regard. One"}, {"start": "03:17:40", "end": "03:17:47", "text": "particular case that I worked was with"}, {"start": "03:17:44", "end": "03:17:50", "text": "naval intelligence"}, {"start": "03:17:47", "end": "03:17:52", "text": "um well no I'm sorry two one the Jamie"}, {"start": "03:17:50", "end": "03:17:54", "text": "Shander stuff"}, {"start": "03:17:52", "end": "03:18:00", "text": ">> that I talked about earlier and then"}, {"start": "03:17:54", "end": "03:18:02", "text": "this other case uh about what this um"}, {"start": "03:18:00", "end": "03:18:05", "text": "this I got to be careful. Yeah, I can"}, {"start": "03:18:02", "end": "03:18:07", "text": "see. Um,"}, {"start": "03:18:05", "end": "03:18:11", "text": "this guy was a crew member on a"}, {"start": "03:18:07", "end": "03:18:14", "text": "submarine uh in the probably 70s. I I I"}, {"start": "03:18:11", "end": "03:18:17", "text": "don't Yeah, it would have been the 70s."}, {"start": "03:18:14", "end": "03:18:21", "text": "Um, they went someplace,"}, {"start": "03:18:17", "end": "03:18:23", "text": "they found something, he took a piece, a"}, {"start": "03:18:21", "end": "03:18:25", "text": "widget,"}, {"start": "03:18:23", "end": "03:18:26", "text": "and he took it and he got out of the"}, {"start": "03:18:25", "end": "03:18:29", "text": "Navy"}, {"start": "03:18:26", "end": "03:18:30", "text": "and he lived in uh Albuquerque, New"}, {"start": "03:18:29", "end": "03:18:32", "text": "Mexico."}, {"start": "03:18:30", "end": "03:18:35", "text": "He worked on Kirtland Air Force Base as"}, {"start": "03:18:32", "end": "03:18:39", "text": "a civilian for a contractor."}, {"start": "03:18:35", "end": "03:18:41", "text": "Um, and he gave this widget to the"}, {"start": "03:18:39", "end": "03:18:43", "text": "contractor to try to figure out what it"}, {"start": "03:18:41", "end": "03:18:45", "text": "was."}, {"start": "03:18:43", "end": "03:18:47", "text": "And naval intelligence had gotten"}, {"start": "03:18:45", "end": "03:18:50", "text": "information. I can't go into all that,"}, {"start": "03:18:47", "end": "03:18:52", "text": "but they they they knew all about this."}, {"start": "03:18:50", "end": "03:18:54", "text": "And they came to Albuquerque and said,"}, {"start": "03:18:52", "end": "03:18:57", "text": "\"We need to go find this guy. We need to"}, {"start": "03:18:54", "end": "03:18:58", "text": "go, you know, pull him in. Um, we need"}, {"start": "03:18:57", "end": "03:19:00", "text": "to get the FBI involved because he's a"}, {"start": "03:18:58", "end": "03:19:02", "text": "civilian now.\" I said, \"Okay, well, you"}, {"start": "03:19:00", "end": "03:19:03", "text": "know, we're federal agents and we could"}, {"start": "03:19:02", "end": "03:19:05", "text": "still do things, but we always like to"}, {"start": "03:19:03", "end": "03:19:07", "text": "have FBI with us, especially if it"}, {"start": "03:19:05", "end": "03:19:08", "text": "involves espionage because that's their"}, {"start": "03:19:07", "end": "03:19:10", "text": "Billy Wick.\""}, {"start": "03:19:08", "end": "03:19:14", "text": ">> So, you know, we I get Jerry Brown and"}, {"start": "03:19:10", "end": "03:19:17", "text": "the guy I interface with the FBI. We go"}, {"start": "03:19:14", "end": "03:19:20", "text": "we uh go out to the base, I mean, yeah,"}, {"start": "03:19:17", "end": "03:19:23", "text": "to the base, the contract office. I"}, {"start": "03:19:20", "end": "03:19:25", "text": "can't tell you the contractor. And he is"}, {"start": "03:19:23", "end": "03:19:28", "text": "there. We walk in and he's standing"}, {"start": "03:19:25", "end": "03:19:31", "text": "there in front of us. uh just happened"}, {"start": "03:19:28", "end": "03:19:32", "text": "to be walking out of this lab and we"}, {"start": "03:19:31", "end": "03:19:34", "text": "called him by name and I said, \"Are you"}, {"start": "03:19:32", "end": "03:19:38", "text": "so and so?\" And you know, we all pull"}, {"start": "03:19:34", "end": "03:19:41", "text": "out our credentials, FBI, is OSI,"}, {"start": "03:19:38", "end": "03:19:43", "text": "NCIS or NIS. Uh we need to talk to you."}, {"start": "03:19:41", "end": "03:19:45", "text": "He said, \"They got it inside there. It's"}, {"start": "03:19:43", "end": "03:19:47", "text": "over there.\" That's what he said. That's"}, {"start": "03:19:45", "end": "03:19:50", "text": "his first words."}, {"start": "03:19:47", "end": "03:19:51", "text": "So, and I says, \"Well, that's not good"}, {"start": "03:19:50", "end": "03:19:53", "text": "enough. Come on in here.\" So we went"}, {"start": "03:19:51", "end": "03:19:56", "text": "into the little office in the coffee"}, {"start": "03:19:53", "end": "03:19:58", "text": "shop area and talked to him and and he"}, {"start": "03:19:56", "end": "03:19:59", "text": "and and then we took him over to the OSI"}, {"start": "03:19:58", "end": "03:20:00", "text": "office and then they did all the"}, {"start": "03:19:59", "end": "03:20:02", "text": "interrogation and stuff that So that's"}, {"start": "03:20:00", "end": "03:20:03", "text": "the case."}, {"start": "03:20:02", "end": "03:20:05", "text": ">> What happened to the widget?"}, {"start": "03:20:03", "end": "03:20:07", "text": ">> Um the government took it. Well, no, you"}, {"start": "03:20:05", "end": "03:20:08", "text": "know what? I think they just kept it"}, {"start": "03:20:07", "end": "03:20:09", "text": "there at that lab because they're"}, {"start": "03:20:08", "end": "03:20:11", "text": "cleared for it."}, {"start": "03:20:09", "end": "03:20:11", "text": ">> Oh yeah, the lab is already"}, {"start": "03:20:11", "end": "03:20:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:20:11", "end": "03:20:16", "text": ">> So they just probably created some"}, {"start": "03:20:14", "end": "03:20:18", "text": ">> whatever the widget was. They are trying"}, {"start": "03:20:16", "end": "03:20:20", "text": "to figure out what the widget was. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:20:18", "end": "03:20:22", "text": "That's the only other case that I worked"}, {"start": "03:20:20", "end": "03:20:24", "text": "with the naval intelligence on."}, {"start": "03:20:22", "end": "03:20:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, it's interesting too because"}, {"start": "03:20:24", "end": "03:20:27", "text": "you have you have stories of the naval"}, {"start": "03:20:26", "end": "03:20:30", "text": "the department of naval intelligence as"}, {"start": "03:20:27", "end": "03:20:32", "text": "well, not just the office of naval"}, {"start": "03:20:30", "end": "03:20:34", "text": "intelligence. And the department comes"}, {"start": "03:20:32", "end": "03:20:36", "text": "up with, you know, Bob Lazar and it"}, {"start": "03:20:34", "end": "03:20:38", "text": "comes up a few other places. I know John"}, {"start": "03:20:36", "end": "03:20:40", "text": "Stewart had done some due diligence on,"}, {"start": "03:20:38", "end": "03:20:42", "text": "you know, finding other instances of"}, {"start": "03:20:40", "end": "03:20:44", "text": "that being mentioned, right? Uh, have"}, {"start": "03:20:42", "end": "03:20:46", "text": "you ever run into the department of off"}, {"start": "03:20:44", "end": "03:20:48", "text": "of naval intelligence? Never."}, {"start": "03:20:46", "end": "03:20:51", "text": ">> No. Office of Naval Intelligence. only"}, {"start": "03:20:48", "end": "03:20:54", "text": "thing that I ever ran into. And and it"}, {"start": "03:20:51", "end": "03:20:56", "text": "other than those two cases, I'm sorry,"}, {"start": "03:20:54", "end": "03:20:58", "text": "there was one other case where we were"}, {"start": "03:20:56", "end": "03:21:02", "text": "uh No, it didn't have anything to do"}, {"start": "03:20:58", "end": "03:21:04", "text": "with uh your was an espionage case and"}, {"start": "03:21:02", "end": "03:21:06", "text": "uh O and I was involved in that and we"}, {"start": "03:21:04", "end": "03:21:07", "text": "interfaced a little bit with that."}, {"start": "03:21:06", "end": "03:21:09", "text": ">> Yeah. But never the department. No. You"}, {"start": "03:21:07", "end": "03:21:11", "text": "never heard of it?"}, {"start": "03:21:09", "end": "03:21:11", "text": ">> No, not during my time. I never heard of"}, {"start": "03:21:11", "end": "03:21:12", "text": "it."}, {"start": "03:21:11", "end": "03:21:14", "text": ">> Not during your time, but afterwards"}, {"start": "03:21:12", "end": "03:21:17", "text": "you'd heard of it because heard through"}, {"start": "03:21:14", "end": "03:21:18", "text": "Bob Lazar and everything else. Okay."}, {"start": "03:21:17", "end": "03:21:20", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "03:21:18", "end": "03:21:22", "text": "okay."}, {"start": "03:21:20", "end": "03:21:24", "text": ">> Oh, one more thing. Uh, I'm gonna"}, {"start": "03:21:22", "end": "03:21:25", "text": ">> I'm going to bring up some questions. We"}, {"start": "03:21:24", "end": "03:21:26", "text": "have audience questions that we like to"}, {"start": "03:21:25", "end": "03:21:28", "text": "bring up."}, {"start": "03:21:26", "end": "03:21:30", "text": ">> Uh, they were, you know, told of your"}, {"start": "03:21:28", "end": "03:21:32", "text": "arrival 12 hours ago and they had a"}, {"start": "03:21:30", "end": "03:21:34", "text": "limited time to ask questions, but"}, {"start": "03:21:32", "end": "03:21:36", "text": ">> you know, the question board filled up"}, {"start": "03:21:34", "end": "03:21:37", "text": "as you can imagine."}, {"start": "03:21:36", "end": "03:21:38", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "03:21:37", "end": "03:21:40", "text": ">> I [clears throat] bet."}, {"start": "03:21:38", "end": "03:21:42", "text": ">> Yeah. But uh before we get there, I"}, {"start": "03:21:40", "end": "03:21:44", "text": "wanted to I wanted to ask you about uh"}, {"start": "03:21:42", "end": "03:21:46", "text": "Lou Alzando."}, {"start": "03:21:44", "end": "03:21:48", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "03:21:46", "end": "03:21:50", "text": "there was mentioned some Space Force"}, {"start": "03:21:48", "end": "03:21:51", "text": "talk that you had run into Lou there. Is"}, {"start": "03:21:50", "end": "03:21:56", "text": "that accurate?"}, {"start": "03:21:51", "end": "03:22:00", "text": ">> Yeah, he he called me a long time ago uh"}, {"start": "03:21:56", "end": "03:22:03", "text": "um in 2021 or 22 and we talked on the"}, {"start": "03:22:00", "end": "03:22:06", "text": "phone and he was wondering if I he asked"}, {"start": "03:22:03", "end": "03:22:08", "text": "me if I was still working and I said no,"}, {"start": "03:22:06", "end": "03:22:11", "text": "which I wasn't. I I I I was I mean other"}, {"start": "03:22:08", "end": "03:22:13", "text": "than the Z's and Gaia and things and he"}, {"start": "03:22:11", "end": "03:22:15", "text": "said uh you would you'd be interested in"}, {"start": "03:22:13", "end": "03:22:20", "text": "working for uh Space Force and in"}, {"start": "03:22:15", "end": "03:22:22", "text": "counter intelligence office. I said what"}, {"start": "03:22:20", "end": "03:22:22", "text": "and I don't know who he is. Okay. I"}, {"start": "03:22:22", "end": "03:22:23", "text": "didn't know"}, {"start": "03:22:22", "end": "03:22:26", "text": ">> at that point. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:22:23", "end": "03:22:30", "text": ">> I said no I'm not interested. I said I"}, {"start": "03:22:26", "end": "03:22:32", "text": "know a colonel up there. And I said did"}, {"start": "03:22:30", "end": "03:22:36", "text": "he give you my name? He said well I"}, {"start": "03:22:32", "end": "03:22:38", "text": "can't say that. And uh so that was it."}, {"start": "03:22:36", "end": "03:22:40", "text": "And then a another person from the Space"}, {"start": "03:22:38", "end": "03:22:43", "text": "Force called me, you know, weeks later"}, {"start": "03:22:40", "end": "03:22:45", "text": "or something and asked me about uh"}, {"start": "03:22:43", "end": "03:22:48", "text": "working uh if I was interested in doing"}, {"start": "03:22:45", "end": "03:22:50", "text": "some field work if I could still get my"}, {"start": "03:22:48", "end": "03:22:52", "text": "security clearance back. He said, \"I I"}, {"start": "03:22:50", "end": "03:22:56", "text": "understand you spoke with and he gave me"}, {"start": "03:22:52", "end": "03:22:59", "text": "a name of somebody.\" Well, this was a"}, {"start": "03:22:56", "end": "03:23:02", "text": "2022, I'm sorry. Uh I said, \"Yeah, I"}, {"start": "03:22:59", "end": "03:23:04", "text": "just was up there in in January 2022. I"}, {"start": "03:23:02", "end": "03:23:08", "text": "was called up to Washington to the"}, {"start": "03:23:04", "end": "03:23:10", "text": "defense uh uh IG's office. Uh they"}, {"start": "03:23:08", "end": "03:23:15", "text": "wanted to talk to me about some of the"}, {"start": "03:23:10", "end": "03:23:16", "text": "cases I ran uh as an OSI agent. And I"}, {"start": "03:23:15", "end": "03:23:20", "text": "said, \"Sure.\" You know, \"Do I get my"}, {"start": "03:23:16", "end": "03:23:22", "text": "security clearance back?\" Uh"}, {"start": "03:23:20", "end": "03:23:24", "text": "oops. And I said, he said, \"Yeah, yeah,"}, {"start": "03:23:22", "end": "03:23:27", "text": "yeah, you can talk about it.\" And they"}, {"start": "03:23:24", "end": "03:23:29", "text": "gave me a report. They passed a report"}, {"start": "03:23:27", "end": "03:23:32", "text": "to me"}, {"start": "03:23:29", "end": "03:23:34", "text": "and the report is heavily redacted. He"}, {"start": "03:23:32", "end": "03:23:36", "text": "said, ' Do you do you recognize this"}, {"start": "03:23:34", "end": "03:23:38", "text": "report? And I'm looking at it and I go"}, {"start": "03:23:36", "end": "03:23:42", "text": "and I look and I said, \"Yeah, that's a"}, {"start": "03:23:38", "end": "03:23:43", "text": "report I did in in 1981.\" But I said, \"I"}, {"start": "03:23:42", "end": "03:23:46", "text": "don't remember everything in here. Do"}, {"start": "03:23:43", "end": "03:23:48", "text": "you got one that's not redacted?\" He"}, {"start": "03:23:46", "end": "03:23:50", "text": "said, \"No, SI won't give it to us. It's"}, {"start": "03:23:48", "end": "03:23:51", "text": "still classified.\" I said, \"Why are you"}, {"start": "03:23:50", "end": "03:23:54", "text": "giving me this?\" He said, \"We just need"}, {"start": "03:23:51", "end": "03:23:57", "text": "to know about it.\" I said, 'Well, I"}, {"start": "03:23:54", "end": "03:23:59", "text": "could tell you what I remember. It's"}, {"start": "03:23:57", "end": "03:24:01", "text": "nothing about what we've spoken here."}, {"start": "03:23:59", "end": "03:24:05", "text": "And I I told him what I could could"}, {"start": "03:24:01", "end": "03:24:07", "text": "remember. Well, then in uh that person's"}, {"start": "03:24:05", "end": "03:24:10", "text": "name was given to me from that person"}, {"start": "03:24:07", "end": "03:24:13", "text": "from Space Force and and and I can't I"}, {"start": "03:24:10", "end": "03:24:15", "text": "went back there in September of 2022 and"}, {"start": "03:24:13", "end": "03:24:17", "text": "they had an unredacted report that I"}, {"start": "03:24:15", "end": "03:24:20", "text": "talked to him about. So,"}, {"start": "03:24:17", "end": "03:24:23", "text": "that's uh that's that's all. And I never"}, {"start": "03:24:20", "end": "03:24:25", "text": "worked for Space Force. I never promised"}, {"start": "03:24:23", "end": "03:24:30", "text": "to work for Space Force. So, yeah."}, {"start": "03:24:25", "end": "03:24:33", "text": ">> What's Space Force's interest in wanting"}, {"start": "03:24:30", "end": "03:24:35", "text": "to work uh in in in wanting to hire you"}, {"start": "03:24:33", "end": "03:24:37", "text": "potentially for counter intelligence?"}, {"start": "03:24:35", "end": "03:24:39", "text": ">> I never got that far,"}, {"start": "03:24:37", "end": "03:24:44", "text": ">> but I mean, you you can surmise. Well, I"}, {"start": "03:24:39", "end": "03:24:47", "text": "think I think they want they wanted to"}, {"start": "03:24:44", "end": "03:24:50", "text": "uh contract me to do what I did before"}, {"start": "03:24:47", "end": "03:24:51", "text": "as a contractor uh and um"}, {"start": "03:24:50", "end": "03:24:53", "text": ">> cover up UFO stuff."}, {"start": "03:24:51", "end": "03:24:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Spy on people"}, {"start": "03:24:53", "end": "03:24:54", "text": ">> for UFO."}, {"start": "03:24:54", "end": "03:24:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:24:54", "end": "03:24:56", "text": ">> Yeah. [snorts]"}, {"start": "03:24:56", "end": "03:24:58", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:24:56", "end": "03:24:58", "text": ">> That's what I think. Again, I don't"}, {"start": "03:24:58", "end": "03:25:00", "text": "know."}, {"start": "03:24:58", "end": "03:25:01", "text": ">> I can assume that too because otherwise,"}, {"start": "03:25:00", "end": "03:25:02", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "03:25:01", "end": "03:25:04", "text": ">> why would they want me?"}, {"start": "03:25:02", "end": "03:25:06", "text": ">> Go get someone who's, you know, uh green"}, {"start": "03:25:04", "end": "03:25:07", "text": "around the gills or whatever and you"}, {"start": "03:25:06", "end": "03:25:09", "text": "know."}, {"start": "03:25:07", "end": "03:25:10", "text": ">> Um yeah. So that's really interesting."}, {"start": "03:25:09", "end": "03:25:12", "text": "And what are these here? We have project"}, {"start": "03:25:10", "end": "03:25:14", "text": "capstone white, auburn blue, medlap"}, {"start": "03:25:12", "end": "03:25:17", "text": "star, candid sky."}, {"start": "03:25:14", "end": "03:25:20", "text": ">> Those are all cases that I"}, {"start": "03:25:17", "end": "03:25:22", "text": "uh briefly spoke about here"}, {"start": "03:25:20", "end": "03:25:23", "text": ">> during Okay. You can't say which one is"}, {"start": "03:25:22", "end": "03:25:25", "text": "which."}, {"start": "03:25:23", "end": "03:25:27", "text": ">> No. And these are all the cases."}, {"start": "03:25:25", "end": "03:25:29", "text": ">> Those are all the case files that I did"}, {"start": "03:25:27", "end": "03:25:31", "text": ">> that we can foyer that you've that"}, {"start": "03:25:29", "end": "03:25:32", "text": ">> I'll tell you I tell you that's been on"}, {"start": "03:25:31", "end": "03:25:35", "text": "the internet for Yeah."}, {"start": "03:25:32", "end": "03:25:38", "text": ">> about four years and a million people's"}, {"start": "03:25:35", "end": "03:25:41", "text": "foyer. In fact, the Foya monitor of a a"}, {"start": "03:25:38", "end": "03:25:42", "text": "woman uh F I think her name is Fton Noi"}, {"start": "03:25:41", "end": "03:25:45", "text": "called me up and said, \"You don't know"}, {"start": "03:25:42", "end": "03:25:47", "text": "what you've done.\" [laughter]"}, {"start": "03:25:45", "end": "03:25:50", "text": ">> I said, \"Uh,"}, {"start": "03:25:47", "end": "03:25:52", "text": ">> well, you'll get some, but they're"}, {"start": "03:25:50", "end": "03:25:54", "text": "heavily redacted, of course.\" In fact,"}, {"start": "03:25:52", "end": "03:25:58", "text": "this one here,"}, {"start": "03:25:54", "end": "03:26:00", "text": "uh, 82 is it right here?"}, {"start": "03:25:58", "end": "03:26:03", "text": ">> You You can get that one. It's 87 page"}, {"start": "03:26:00", "end": "03:26:05", "text": "of nothing. There's not even the page"}, {"start": "03:26:03", "end": "03:26:06", "text": "numbers are releasable."}, {"start": "03:26:05", "end": "03:26:07", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "03:26:06", "end": "03:26:08", "text": ">> Which is stupid."}, {"start": "03:26:07", "end": "03:26:11", "text": ">> It's just all redacted."}, {"start": "03:26:08", "end": "03:26:13", "text": ">> It's all redacted. And and I'd say that"}, {"start": "03:26:11", "end": "03:26:16", "text": "one probably"}, {"start": "03:26:13", "end": "03:26:17", "text": ">> is should be redacted."}, {"start": "03:26:16", "end": "03:26:19", "text": ">> But Oh, really?"}, {"start": "03:26:17", "end": "03:26:20", "text": ">> There's some that are redacted that are"}, {"start": "03:26:19", "end": "03:26:22", "text": " They should"}, {"start": "03:26:20", "end": "03:26:23", "text": ">> Wait, why should that one be redacted?"}, {"start": "03:26:22", "end": "03:26:27", "text": "because it involves something very very"}, {"start": "03:26:23", "end": "03:26:30", "text": "very sensitive and and it would disclose"}, {"start": "03:26:27", "end": "03:26:32", "text": "sources and methods and it would uh"}, {"start": "03:26:30", "end": "03:26:34", "text": "national security"}, {"start": "03:26:32", "end": "03:26:36", "text": ">> and it has to do with aliens"}, {"start": "03:26:34", "end": "03:26:38", "text": ">> definitely. Whoa."}, {"start": "03:26:36", "end": "03:26:41", "text": ">> So, are we talking treaty level stuff?"}, {"start": "03:26:38", "end": "03:26:42", "text": ">> I don't know about treaties, but um I"}, {"start": "03:26:41", "end": "03:26:44", "text": "don't believe in we ever had a treaty"}, {"start": "03:26:42", "end": "03:26:49", "text": "with him, but that's me. But there's"}, {"start": "03:26:44", "end": "03:26:51", "text": "some here that are are redacted that"}, {"start": "03:26:49", "end": "03:26:53", "text": "should never be redacted. I mean, maybe."}, {"start": "03:26:51", "end": "03:26:56", "text": "Yeah. Sightings and that. Yeah. But some"}, {"start": "03:26:53", "end": "03:26:58", "text": "of the things that pilots, most of that"}, {"start": "03:26:56", "end": "03:27:00", "text": "stuff, a lot of that, not most of it,"}, {"start": "03:26:58", "end": "03:27:00", "text": "some of it involves pilots."}, {"start": "03:27:00", "end": "03:27:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:27:00", "end": "03:27:05", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "03:27:02", "end": "03:27:06", "text": ">> pilots flying uh classified missions."}, {"start": "03:27:05", "end": "03:27:09", "text": ">> Oh, I see."}, {"start": "03:27:06", "end": "03:27:11", "text": ">> Seeing UFOs and the fact that their"}, {"start": "03:27:09", "end": "03:27:14", "text": "mission was classified,"}, {"start": "03:27:11", "end": "03:27:16", "text": "uh you can't talk about that. And they"}, {"start": "03:27:14", "end": "03:27:18", "text": "they had a close encount or they had a"}, {"start": "03:27:16", "end": "03:27:20", "text": ">> Yeah. you know, they saw the UFO, it"}, {"start": "03:27:18", "end": "03:27:22", "text": "chased them or they chased it or they"}, {"start": "03:27:20", "end": "03:27:24", "text": "shot it down or there was there's chew"}, {"start": "03:27:22", "end": "03:27:27", "text": "in there where they actually shot down"}, {"start": "03:27:24", "end": "03:27:31", "text": "something, but it mended itself and it"}, {"start": "03:27:27", "end": "03:27:34", "text": "flew back. It was like uh"}, {"start": "03:27:31", "end": "03:27:36", "text": "uh this this is way before Transformers"}, {"start": "03:27:34", "end": "03:27:38", "text": "sure movie ever came out,"}, {"start": "03:27:36", "end": "03:27:40", "text": ">> but you had I mean, you know, I at a as"}, {"start": "03:27:38", "end": "03:27:43", "text": "a kid I had one of those, you know,"}, {"start": "03:27:40", "end": "03:27:44", "text": ">> and um this this pilot, and I can't go"}, {"start": "03:27:43", "end": "03:27:49", "text": "into great details, was flying a"}, {"start": "03:27:44", "end": "03:27:53", "text": "classified mission and he's he's"}, {"start": "03:27:49", "end": "03:27:55", "text": "covering for this other aircraft and um"}, {"start": "03:27:53", "end": "03:27:57", "text": "if this is in the United States, they're"}, {"start": "03:27:55", "end": "03:28:01", "text": "I can tell you they're flying out of the"}, {"start": "03:27:57", "end": "03:28:05", "text": "Groom Lake area and this thing comes up."}, {"start": "03:28:01", "end": "03:28:08", "text": "A flying saucer comes up and almost hits"}, {"start": "03:28:05", "end": "03:28:11", "text": "his cockpit. I mean, his canopy almost"}, {"start": "03:28:08", "end": "03:28:13", "text": "just goes right over it. It really"}, {"start": "03:28:11", "end": "03:28:16", "text": "pisses him off. So, he banks and he goes"}, {"start": "03:28:13", "end": "03:28:20", "text": "after it and he's protecting this other"}, {"start": "03:28:16", "end": "03:28:22", "text": "flying highly classified craft. And it"}, {"start": "03:28:20", "end": "03:28:24", "text": "goes down and he goes down and shoots"}, {"start": "03:28:22", "end": "03:28:26", "text": "it. He shoots at it with this side"}, {"start": "03:28:24", "end": "03:28:29", "text": "winder missile,"}, {"start": "03:28:26", "end": "03:28:32", "text": "two of them, and it hits it and it"}, {"start": "03:28:29", "end": "03:28:35", "text": "crashes. Now, he's in a jet, so he can't"}, {"start": "03:28:32", "end": "03:28:37", "text": "obviously land. So, he's circling it."}, {"start": "03:28:35", "end": "03:28:40", "text": "And this thing, he says it repaired"}, {"start": "03:28:37", "end": "03:28:42", "text": "itself and it flew away."}, {"start": "03:28:40", "end": "03:28:44", "text": "And it reminded me of the Transformer,"}, {"start": "03:28:42", "end": "03:28:45", "text": "you know, movies. Yeah, I like those"}, {"start": "03:28:44", "end": "03:28:47", "text": "things."}, {"start": "03:28:45", "end": "03:28:50", "text": ">> But, but something like that was in that"}, {"start": "03:28:47", "end": "03:28:53", "text": "report. And yeah, I guess that that"}, {"start": "03:28:50", "end": "03:28:55", "text": "would be classified. um the the details"}, {"start": "03:28:53", "end": "03:28:56", "text": "and there's a lot more to that that I"}, {"start": "03:28:55", "end": "03:28:57", "text": "can't talk about."}, {"start": "03:28:56", "end": "03:28:59", "text": ">> There's a is there a lot of alien"}, {"start": "03:28:57", "end": "03:29:01", "text": "encounters in these?"}, {"start": "03:28:59", "end": "03:29:02", "text": ">> Uh a few"}, {"start": "03:29:01", "end": "03:29:05", "text": ">> there's a few"}, {"start": "03:29:02", "end": "03:29:07", "text": ">> there's there's one that's that's uh"}, {"start": "03:29:05", "end": "03:29:10", "text": "probably the best"}, {"start": "03:29:07", "end": "03:29:11", "text": ">> story is uh you want to hear it?"}, {"start": "03:29:10", "end": "03:29:14", "text": ">> Yeah, please."}, {"start": "03:29:11", "end": "03:29:16", "text": ">> This Air Force pilot [clears throat]"}, {"start": "03:29:14", "end": "03:29:18", "text": "loves fishing. So, he's up in a lake,"}, {"start": "03:29:16", "end": "03:29:21", "text": "northern Mexico, lakes all over the"}, {"start": "03:29:18", "end": "03:29:24", "text": "place. Uh, fishing. Uh, just him. He's"}, {"start": "03:29:21", "end": "03:29:26", "text": "camping, too. He he sets up his tent"}, {"start": "03:29:24", "end": "03:29:28", "text": "and, you know, he's camping. It's"}, {"start": "03:29:26", "end": "03:29:31", "text": "there's a stream and then there's a"}, {"start": "03:29:28", "end": "03:29:33", "text": "lake, very small lake. And he's fishing"}, {"start": "03:29:31", "end": "03:29:35", "text": "and there's a clearing. Uh, he's in a"}, {"start": "03:29:33", "end": "03:29:40", "text": "very wooded area except for the lake."}, {"start": "03:29:35", "end": "03:29:42", "text": "And then off to his uh north uh yeah,"}, {"start": "03:29:40", "end": "03:29:44", "text": "northwood is a clearing. And one morning"}, {"start": "03:29:42", "end": "03:29:47", "text": "he gets up and he eats his breakfast and"}, {"start": "03:29:44", "end": "03:29:51", "text": "he goes and throws pole in and he's he"}, {"start": "03:29:47", "end": "03:29:53", "text": "he hears a sound. He he says, \"I've"}, {"start": "03:29:51", "end": "03:29:55", "text": "never heard the sound before.\" He said,"}, {"start": "03:29:53", "end": "03:29:57", "text": "\"It's like a pulsating"}, {"start": "03:29:55", "end": "03:30:00", "text": "b"}, {"start": "03:29:57", "end": "03:30:03", "text": "sound.\" And he looks and looks. He"}, {"start": "03:30:00", "end": "03:30:06", "text": "thought something. It's like something's"}, {"start": "03:30:03", "end": "03:30:08", "text": "shooting down something. Maybe a pulse"}, {"start": "03:30:06", "end": "03:30:10", "text": "ray or something. And that's what he's"}, {"start": "03:30:08", "end": "03:30:17", "text": "thinking. He's a pilot. He's an air"}, {"start": "03:30:10", "end": "03:30:17", "text": "force. uh uh pilot. He flies F F"}, {"start": "03:30:17", "end": "03:30:23", "text": "A A A A A A A A A A7DS"}, {"start": "03:30:19", "end": "03:30:25", "text": "as jets. Yep. And um so then he sees it"}, {"start": "03:30:23", "end": "03:30:28", "text": "and it starts to come down and it's pul"}, {"start": "03:30:25", "end": "03:30:30", "text": "something's pulsating under it. This is"}, {"start": "03:30:28", "end": "03:30:32", "text": "flying saucers."}, {"start": "03:30:30", "end": "03:30:36", "text": ">> So he immediately goes over and he has a"}, {"start": "03:30:32", "end": "03:30:36", "text": "camera. In fact, one of those uh"}, {"start": "03:30:36", "end": "03:30:39", "text": ">> Polaroid"}, {"start": "03:30:36", "end": "03:30:41", "text": ">> polar caneras he has in his in his tent"}, {"start": "03:30:39", "end": "03:30:42", "text": "because he always takes pictures of his"}, {"start": "03:30:41", "end": "03:30:44", "text": "fish."}, {"start": "03:30:42", "end": "03:30:47", "text": "He gets his Polaroid camera and he comes"}, {"start": "03:30:44", "end": "03:30:50", "text": "out because he's he then he drops his P."}, {"start": "03:30:47", "end": "03:30:54", "text": "He goes over to the clearing to the tree"}, {"start": "03:30:50", "end": "03:30:58", "text": "line to take pictures of this and he"}, {"start": "03:30:54", "end": "03:31:01", "text": "said from the tent to the tree line is"}, {"start": "03:30:58", "end": "03:31:04", "text": "maybe 60 70 yards, you know."}, {"start": "03:31:01", "end": "03:31:07", "text": ">> Mhm. He gets over and he's waiting and"}, {"start": "03:31:04", "end": "03:31:09", "text": "he starts taking pictures and next thing"}, {"start": "03:31:07", "end": "03:31:12", "text": "you know there's two beans right next to"}, {"start": "03:31:09", "end": "03:31:15", "text": "him. He says scared him. He dropped his"}, {"start": "03:31:12", "end": "03:31:18", "text": "camera and these things were like 7 foot"}, {"start": "03:31:15", "end": "03:31:20", "text": "tall. They had helmets on. He couldn't"}, {"start": "03:31:18", "end": "03:31:22", "text": "see their face. And he goes into the"}, {"start": "03:31:20", "end": "03:31:24", "text": "whole details of of what they did and"}, {"start": "03:31:22", "end": "03:31:26", "text": "and he thought, \"Oh my god, they're"}, {"start": "03:31:24", "end": "03:31:27", "text": "going to abduct me.\" That's what he's"}, {"start": "03:31:26", "end": "03:31:30", "text": "thinking. Now, this is interesting"}, {"start": "03:31:27", "end": "03:31:34", "text": "because"}, {"start": "03:31:30", "end": "03:31:37", "text": "he wasn't briefed into UFOs. I mean, of"}, {"start": "03:31:34", "end": "03:31:38", "text": "what a pilot would normally get training"}, {"start": "03:31:37", "end": "03:31:39", "text": "and they do to get some of that."}, {"start": "03:31:38", "end": "03:31:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:31:39", "end": "03:31:44", "text": ">> He didn't know about UF abductions, but"}, {"start": "03:31:42", "end": "03:31:47", "text": "that came into his mind"}, {"start": "03:31:44", "end": "03:31:49", "text": ">> and that was interesting the interview"}, {"start": "03:31:47", "end": "03:31:52", "text": "and inter interrogation later about why"}, {"start": "03:31:49", "end": "03:31:55", "text": "he thought that. But anyways,"}, {"start": "03:31:52", "end": "03:31:57", "text": "he he looks and and these things are and"}, {"start": "03:31:55", "end": "03:31:59", "text": "then he starts hearing voices in his"}, {"start": "03:31:57", "end": "03:32:02", "text": "head and he thought, \"They're"}, {"start": "03:31:59", "end": "03:32:05", "text": "communicating with me.\" So he sits down"}, {"start": "03:32:02", "end": "03:32:08", "text": "and he he never could explain why he sat"}, {"start": "03:32:05", "end": "03:32:10", "text": "down, but he sat down on the ground and"}, {"start": "03:32:08", "end": "03:32:13", "text": "he doesn't know how long this occurred,"}, {"start": "03:32:10", "end": "03:32:16", "text": "but he when he w when he woke up, he was"}, {"start": "03:32:13", "end": "03:32:18", "text": "in his sleeping bag in his tent."}, {"start": "03:32:16", "end": "03:32:20", "text": ">> It was dark."}, {"start": "03:32:18", "end": "03:32:23", "text": "He knows that he got up at 7 in the"}, {"start": "03:32:20", "end": "03:32:25", "text": "morning. He knows he made breakfast and"}, {"start": "03:32:23", "end": "03:32:28", "text": "and and had a campfire and then he went"}, {"start": "03:32:25", "end": "03:32:29", "text": "fishing and it was like 15 or 20 minutes"}, {"start": "03:32:28", "end": "03:32:30", "text": "after he started fishing that this"}, {"start": "03:32:29", "end": "03:32:34", "text": "happened. So he figured it was about"}, {"start": "03:32:30", "end": "03:32:37", "text": "8:30 in the morning and when he looked"}, {"start": "03:32:34", "end": "03:32:38", "text": "at his clock it was 21:30"}, {"start": "03:32:37", "end": "03:32:40", "text": "9:30"}, {"start": "03:32:38", "end": "03:32:43", "text": "p.m."}, {"start": "03:32:40", "end": "03:32:46", "text": ">> He doesn't know what happened and he"}, {"start": "03:32:43", "end": "03:32:49", "text": "he was it scared him. He goes over to"}, {"start": "03:32:46", "end": "03:32:50", "text": "the tree line where he dropped his"}, {"start": "03:32:49", "end": "03:32:53", "text": "camera. Polar, it was still there. Polar"}, {"start": "03:32:50", "end": "03:32:56", "text": "was still there. And he knew he took two"}, {"start": "03:32:53", "end": "03:32:58", "text": "pictures of the craft."}, {"start": "03:32:56", "end": "03:33:01", "text": "He thought he had taken one of them."}, {"start": "03:32:58", "end": "03:33:03", "text": "Well, the pictures of the craft was on"}, {"start": "03:33:01", "end": "03:33:04", "text": "that were there. You know, they you know"}, {"start": "03:33:03", "end": "03:33:05", "text": "how they pop out and they're on the"}, {"start": "03:33:04", "end": "03:33:07", "text": "ground."}, {"start": "03:33:05", "end": "03:33:11", "text": ">> One had been, you know, when you don't"}, {"start": "03:33:07", "end": "03:33:14", "text": "take the Yeah. It kind of smudges. One"}, {"start": "03:33:11", "end": "03:33:14", "text": "was unrecognizable, but one wasn't"}, {"start": "03:33:14", "end": "03:33:17", "text": ">> very clear."}, {"start": "03:33:14", "end": "03:33:20", "text": ">> Very clear. Well, he comes into the OS"}, {"start": "03:33:17", "end": "03:33:22", "text": "he calls the OSI office uh Monday. Uh"}, {"start": "03:33:20", "end": "03:33:24", "text": "this this happened on a I think a"}, {"start": "03:33:22", "end": "03:33:27", "text": "Sunday, Saturday or Sunday. Uh he calls"}, {"start": "03:33:24", "end": "03:33:29", "text": "the OSI office. He said, \"I need to come"}, {"start": "03:33:27", "end": "03:33:31", "text": "in to talk to somebody.\" And this is"}, {"start": "03:33:29", "end": "03:33:33", "text": "what he said. All our phones are calls"}, {"start": "03:33:31", "end": "03:33:35", "text": "are recorded. And there's just a clerk"}, {"start": "03:33:33", "end": "03:33:38", "text": "that takes the call, the secretary. It's"}, {"start": "03:33:35", "end": "03:33:42", "text": "not agent. I need to come in and talk to"}, {"start": "03:33:38", "end": "03:33:44", "text": "somebody that uh handles UFOs. That's or"}, {"start": "03:33:42", "end": "03:33:47", "text": "flying saucers."}, {"start": "03:33:44", "end": "03:33:52", "text": "And secretary says, \"Uh, okay. Uh, what"}, {"start": "03:33:47", "end": "03:33:54", "text": "happened? I I I think I I I was abducted"}, {"start": "03:33:52", "end": "03:33:56", "text": "and I need to talk to somebody. I'm a"}, {"start": "03:33:54", "end": "03:33:58", "text": "captain in United States Air Force.\" And"}, {"start": "03:33:56", "end": "03:34:02", "text": "she said, \"Well, just a minute.\" So, she"}, {"start": "03:33:58", "end": "03:34:03", "text": "puts on the agent that's duty agent, not"}, {"start": "03:34:02", "end": "03:34:07", "text": "not a counter intelligence."}, {"start": "03:34:03", "end": "03:34:10", "text": ">> Oh, okay. So the that agent then I'm in"}, {"start": "03:34:07", "end": "03:34:12", "text": "I just get to the office and uh I just"}, {"start": "03:34:10", "end": "03:34:14", "text": "sit down and I'm in a secure area takes"}, {"start": "03:34:12", "end": "03:34:18", "text": "me back you know I had to unlock"}, {"start": "03:34:14", "end": "03:34:20", "text": "everything and to get there and he and"}, {"start": "03:34:18", "end": "03:34:23", "text": "my intercom ring says uh uh Richard you"}, {"start": "03:34:20", "end": "03:34:25", "text": "got to call on whatever I pick up and"}, {"start": "03:34:23", "end": "03:34:27", "text": "see this special may help you."}, {"start": "03:34:25", "end": "03:34:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Do you hand do you handle flying"}, {"start": "03:34:27", "end": "03:34:32", "text": "saucers? And I think he's a cook sure"}, {"start": "03:34:29", "end": "03:34:34", "text": "cuz I get these. I said uh yeah did you"}, {"start": "03:34:32", "end": "03:34:37", "text": "see one? Yeah, I saw one. I took a"}, {"start": "03:34:34", "end": "03:34:38", "text": "picture of one. Uh I'm an a captain of"}, {"start": "03:34:37", "end": "03:34:40", "text": "the United States Air Force. And the way"}, {"start": "03:34:38", "end": "03:34:43", "text": "he talked, I thought he was"}, {"start": "03:34:40", "end": "03:34:45", "text": "This is a call. I said, \"Okay.\""}, {"start": "03:34:43", "end": "03:34:47", "text": "Uh I said, \"Where you where you"}, {"start": "03:34:45", "end": "03:34:49", "text": "stationed at?\" He said, \"I'm stationed"}, {"start": "03:34:47", "end": "03:34:51", "text": "at Kirtland.\""}, {"start": "03:34:49", "end": "03:34:53", "text": "I said, \"Okay.\" I said, \"Well, why don't"}, {"start": "03:34:51", "end": "03:34:55", "text": "you come down to the OSI office?\" And"}, {"start": "03:34:53", "end": "03:34:56", "text": "and I he said, \"I thought I had to make"}, {"start": "03:34:55", "end": "03:34:58", "text": "appointment.\" I said, \"Just come down"}, {"start": "03:34:56", "end": "03:35:00", "text": "OSI office. I'll I'll look at it.\" So he"}, {"start": "03:34:58", "end": "03:35:01", "text": "comes down."}, {"start": "03:35:00", "end": "03:35:05", "text": "you know, an hour later, whatever it"}, {"start": "03:35:01", "end": "03:35:07", "text": "was, he comes in, he's in uniform."}, {"start": "03:35:05", "end": "03:35:08", "text": "I said, \"Have a seat, Captain.\" I said,"}, {"start": "03:35:07", "end": "03:35:10", "text": "\"What happened?\" And he tells me the"}, {"start": "03:35:08", "end": "03:35:12", "text": "whole story that I just told you. I"}, {"start": "03:35:10", "end": "03:35:14", "text": "said, \"Where's a picture?\" And he bolted"}, {"start": "03:35:12", "end": "03:35:15", "text": "across and it's a picture of something."}, {"start": "03:35:14", "end": "03:35:18", "text": "It wasn't on the ground. It was"}, {"start": "03:35:15", "end": "03:35:21", "text": "hovering, but there's distortion under"}, {"start": "03:35:18", "end": "03:35:25", "text": "it."}, {"start": "03:35:21", "end": "03:35:29", "text": "like something's blocking t you know the"}, {"start": "03:35:25", "end": "03:35:31", "text": "the something's blocking the view of the"}, {"start": "03:35:29", "end": "03:35:33", "text": "other side"}, {"start": "03:35:31", "end": "03:35:35", "text": "like a pulse or something. I said where"}, {"start": "03:35:33", "end": "03:35:38", "text": "did you tell? And then he tells me story"}, {"start": "03:35:35", "end": "03:35:41", "text": "and I said wow. I said did you have"}, {"start": "03:35:38", "end": "03:35:43", "text": "missing time? He said yeah about 10"}, {"start": "03:35:41", "end": "03:35:46", "text": "hours."}, {"start": "03:35:43", "end": "03:35:47", "text": "I said okay [clears throat]"}, {"start": "03:35:46", "end": "03:35:50", "text": "we'll need to we'll need to start an"}, {"start": "03:35:47", "end": "03:35:52", "text": "investigation on this. And we did. And"}, {"start": "03:35:50", "end": "03:35:55", "text": "you know, number one, he's a captain,"}, {"start": "03:35:52", "end": "03:35:58", "text": "United States Air Force. He's a pilot."}, {"start": "03:35:55", "end": "03:35:59", "text": "Um, he passed a polygraph. He passed a"}, {"start": "03:35:58", "end": "03:36:02", "text": "hypnosis."}, {"start": "03:35:59", "end": "03:36:02", "text": "Uh, he has a picture. He has evidence."}, {"start": "03:36:02", "end": "03:36:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:36:02", "end": "03:36:11", "text": ">> So, we go back up there like four"}, {"start": "03:36:07", "end": "03:36:13", "text": "five days later. It's a 250 mi north of"}, {"start": "03:36:11", "end": "03:36:16", "text": "where Kurland, but we went up there,"}, {"start": "03:36:13", "end": "03:36:19", "text": "myself and and another agent and him."}, {"start": "03:36:16", "end": "03:36:23", "text": "Um, we followed him up there. He took us"}, {"start": "03:36:19", "end": "03:36:25", "text": "to You had to park and walk a distance"}, {"start": "03:36:23", "end": "03:36:28", "text": "down to where he was at. His tent was"}, {"start": "03:36:25", "end": "03:36:30", "text": "still there. I said, \"Well, when we"}, {"start": "03:36:28", "end": "03:36:31", "text": "walked down, I said, \"Somebody's"}, {"start": "03:36:30", "end": "03:36:33", "text": "camping.\" He said, \"No, that's my tent.\""}, {"start": "03:36:31", "end": "03:36:37", "text": "I said, \"You left your tent?\" He said,"}, {"start": "03:36:33", "end": "03:36:39", "text": "\"I had to get out of here quickly.\" So,"}, {"start": "03:36:37", "end": "03:36:41", "text": "his fishing pole was still down by the"}, {"start": "03:36:39", "end": "03:36:42", "text": "water. So, everything he told us,"}, {"start": "03:36:41", "end": "03:36:44", "text": ">> Yeah. checked"}, {"start": "03:36:42", "end": "03:36:46", "text": ">> evidence is there. So, I said, \"What?"}, {"start": "03:36:44", "end": "03:36:47", "text": "Where did you wake up?\" He said, \"I wake"}, {"start": "03:36:46", "end": "03:36:49", "text": "up in a tent in my sleep bag.\" So, we"}, {"start": "03:36:47", "end": "03:36:51", "text": "took the sleep bag as evidence, you"}, {"start": "03:36:49", "end": "03:36:53", "text": "know, and we took his clothes. I said,"}, {"start": "03:36:51", "end": "03:36:53", "text": "\"We need the clothes that you were"}, {"start": "03:36:53", "end": "03:36:54", "text": "wearing.\""}, {"start": "03:36:53", "end": "03:36:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:36:54", "end": "03:36:58", "text": ">> In, you know, trace evidence and stuff."}, {"start": "03:36:56", "end": "03:37:00", "text": "And he did. And so, that was a"}, {"start": "03:36:58", "end": "03:37:02", "text": "legitimate incident. And that's that's"}, {"start": "03:37:00", "end": "03:37:04", "text": "one of these cases here. That's"}, {"start": "03:37:02", "end": "03:37:05", "text": "absolutely real."}, {"start": "03:37:04", "end": "03:37:06", "text": ">> Wow. I feel like that one can be"}, {"start": "03:37:05", "end": "03:37:09", "text": "unredacted."}, {"start": "03:37:06", "end": "03:37:10", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely. Mo most of it can be"}, {"start": "03:37:09", "end": "03:37:11", "text": "because it's it's anecdotal."}, {"start": "03:37:10", "end": "03:37:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly."}, {"start": "03:37:11", "end": "03:37:14", "text": ">> Yeah. if you don't provide the photo or"}, {"start": "03:37:13", "end": "03:37:16", "text": "anything else. I mean, it's just"}, {"start": "03:37:14", "end": "03:37:18", "text": "anecdotal."}, {"start": "03:37:16", "end": "03:37:19", "text": ">> Interesting. Interesting. Okay, I'm"}, {"start": "03:37:18", "end": "03:37:21", "text": "gonna I got a camera back here. I'm"}, {"start": "03:37:19", "end": "03:37:22", "text": "going to turn it on so that we can film"}, {"start": "03:37:21", "end": "03:37:22", "text": "this thing and we'll get to some"}, {"start": "03:37:22", "end": "03:37:23", "text": "questions."}, {"start": "03:37:22", "end": "03:37:23", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:37:23", "end": "03:37:25", "text": ">> How you feeling?"}, {"start": "03:37:23", "end": "03:37:28", "text": ">> Good. Good. Good."}, {"start": "03:37:25", "end": "03:37:31", "text": ">> All right. For those in the know, if"}, {"start": "03:37:28", "end": "03:37:34", "text": "you're a member here, you get access to"}, {"start": "03:37:31", "end": "03:37:36", "text": "our Discord and on that uh when we have"}, {"start": "03:37:34", "end": "03:37:38", "text": "guests, you're alerted maybe 12 hours in"}, {"start": "03:37:36", "end": "03:37:40", "text": "advance about the guest and you have an"}, {"start": "03:37:38", "end": "03:37:43", "text": "opportunity to ask the guest a question."}, {"start": "03:37:40", "end": "03:37:45", "text": "Well, this time I think I think the"}, {"start": "03:37:43", "end": "03:37:48", "text": "prompt wasn't up for 10 minutes before"}, {"start": "03:37:45", "end": "03:37:51", "text": "it started getting flooded. So, um,"}, {"start": "03:37:48", "end": "03:37:52", "text": "clearly sparking some interest here. And"}, {"start": "03:37:51", "end": "03:37:54", "text": "we're going to get to the first"}, {"start": "03:37:52", "end": "03:37:55", "text": "question. So, thank you to everybody who"}, {"start": "03:37:54", "end": "03:37:57", "text": "asked questions. Sorry I couldn't get"}, {"start": "03:37:55", "end": "03:38:00", "text": "through all of them,"}, {"start": "03:37:57", "end": "03:38:04", "text": "but uh,"}, {"start": "03:38:00", "end": "03:38:04", "text": "here we go."}, {"start": "03:38:06", "end": "03:38:09", "text": "Okay. Okay, some of these we've actually"}, {"start": "03:38:08", "end": "03:38:11", "text": "answered, so I'm I'm going to I'm going"}, {"start": "03:38:09", "end": "03:38:14", "text": "to skim past them. But this is an"}, {"start": "03:38:11", "end": "03:38:14", "text": "interesting one."}, {"start": "03:38:20", "end": "03:38:25", "text": "Uh in this one, what is your conviction"}, {"start": "03:38:22", "end": "03:38:27", "text": "on the portal somewhere in the US that"}, {"start": "03:38:25", "end": "03:38:30", "text": "Coltard alludes to? Ross Coltard uh"}, {"start": "03:38:27", "end": "03:38:33", "text": "talked about I I think a portal in in"}, {"start": "03:38:30", "end": "03:38:35", "text": "perhaps Soma or or that area. What's"}, {"start": "03:38:33", "end": "03:38:40", "text": "your conviction level?"}, {"start": "03:38:35", "end": "03:38:45", "text": "Well, this goes back to uh a rather long"}, {"start": "03:38:40", "end": "03:38:49", "text": "uh story about time travel, but um make"}, {"start": "03:38:45", "end": "03:38:51", "text": "it as short as again I was involved in a"}, {"start": "03:38:49", "end": "03:38:54", "text": "counter intelligence operation. Uh"}, {"start": "03:38:51", "end": "03:38:56", "text": "Sandia National Laboratories had a"}, {"start": "03:38:54", "end": "03:38:58", "text": "operation where they were experimenting"}, {"start": "03:38:56", "end": "03:39:00", "text": "with time travel trying to trying to"}, {"start": "03:38:58", "end": "03:39:02", "text": "create time travel and it was being done"}, {"start": "03:39:00", "end": "03:39:04", "text": "there at Kirtland and also out at Nevada"}, {"start": "03:39:02", "end": "03:39:06", "text": "Test Site. Well, they had uh"}, {"start": "03:39:04", "end": "03:39:07", "text": "advertisements in different magazines."}, {"start": "03:39:06", "end": "03:39:11", "text": "Of course, the internet wasn't around"}, {"start": "03:39:07", "end": "03:39:13", "text": "back in that days. And some this person"}, {"start": "03:39:11", "end": "03:39:15", "text": "responded to Sandy Lab and said, \"I'm a"}, {"start": "03:39:13", "end": "03:39:17", "text": "time traveler. I can prove it.\" We did a"}, {"start": "03:39:15", "end": "03:39:21", "text": "full investigation. This guy went down"}, {"start": "03:39:17", "end": "03:39:23", "text": "to Arizona near Sedona and said, \"I can"}, {"start": "03:39:21", "end": "03:39:26", "text": "walk through a time portal and then come"}, {"start": "03:39:23", "end": "03:39:28", "text": "back out.\" Uh Sandia went down there. We"}, {"start": "03:39:26", "end": "03:39:31", "text": "all went down there. This guy we thought"}, {"start": "03:39:28", "end": "03:39:34", "text": "was full of it, but he actually walked"}, {"start": "03:39:31", "end": "03:39:36", "text": "through something and uh to the best of"}, {"start": "03:39:34", "end": "03:39:38", "text": "my knowledge, you know, although I"}, {"start": "03:39:36", "end": "03:39:40", "text": "didn't do a lot of followup on this,"}, {"start": "03:39:38", "end": "03:39:42", "text": "he's never returned."}, {"start": "03:39:40", "end": "03:39:42", "text": ">> You do you saw this?"}, {"start": "03:39:42", "end": "03:39:44", "text": ">> I saw this."}, {"start": "03:39:42", "end": "03:39:48", "text": ">> You saw him walk into a portal."}, {"start": "03:39:44", "end": "03:39:52", "text": ">> I saw him walk through a uh a crevice in"}, {"start": "03:39:48", "end": "03:39:54", "text": "a rock. It it was a rockfaced and it was"}, {"start": "03:39:52", "end": "03:39:57", "text": "a small crevice and he walked through"}, {"start": "03:39:54", "end": "03:39:59", "text": "that crevice and it wasn't anything."}, {"start": "03:39:57", "end": "03:39:59", "text": "nothing on the other side. It was being"}, {"start": "03:39:59", "end": "03:40:01", "text": "filmed."}, {"start": "03:39:59", "end": "03:40:04", "text": ">> Could he fit in the crevice?"}, {"start": "03:40:01", "end": "03:40:06", "text": ">> He barely fit in the cre in the crevice"}, {"start": "03:40:04", "end": "03:40:09", "text": "and we were some distance away from him."}, {"start": "03:40:06", "end": "03:40:12", "text": "And then uh somebody said, \"Well, okay,"}, {"start": "03:40:09", "end": "03:40:15", "text": "he's in there.\" And and so we waited. We"}, {"start": "03:40:12", "end": "03:40:17", "text": "you know, his his uh story was he was"}, {"start": "03:40:15", "end": "03:40:19", "text": "going to go in and then come back out"}, {"start": "03:40:17", "end": "03:40:20", "text": "and bring something from and I don't"}, {"start": "03:40:19", "end": "03:40:24", "text": "remember if it was from the past or the"}, {"start": "03:40:20", "end": "03:40:27", "text": "future. I I don't remember that. And um"}, {"start": "03:40:24", "end": "03:40:29", "text": "he never came out. at least the longest."}, {"start": "03:40:27", "end": "03:40:31", "text": "We were there for hours and hours and he"}, {"start": "03:40:29", "end": "03:40:34", "text": "never came out. We went down there or"}, {"start": "03:40:31", "end": "03:40:35", "text": "Sandy Labs went down there and and other"}, {"start": "03:40:34", "end": "03:40:38", "text": "contractors and looked at the crevice"}, {"start": "03:40:35", "end": "03:40:39", "text": "and figured you know how did he get out"}, {"start": "03:40:38", "end": "03:40:42", "text": "of here?"}, {"start": "03:40:39", "end": "03:40:47", "text": "It seems so silly to me that one can"}, {"start": "03:40:42", "end": "03:40:51", "text": "just call the the most, you know,"}, {"start": "03:40:47", "end": "03:40:53", "text": "secured sort of facilities uh that are"}, {"start": "03:40:51", "end": "03:40:56", "text": "doing the most sensitive technical"}, {"start": "03:40:53", "end": "03:40:58", "text": "technological advancements that, you"}, {"start": "03:40:56", "end": "03:41:00", "text": "know, US Department of Defense has ever"}, {"start": "03:40:58", "end": "03:41:03", "text": "seen and could just claim they're a time"}, {"start": "03:41:00", "end": "03:41:06", "text": "traveler and you'll"}, {"start": "03:41:03", "end": "03:41:08", "text": "you'll, you know, um send out people and"}, {"start": "03:41:06", "end": "03:41:10", "text": "and have a budget approved"}, {"start": "03:41:08", "end": "03:41:11", "text": "to go follow these people who just claim"}, {"start": "03:41:10", "end": "03:41:12", "text": "these things. Like"}, {"start": "03:41:11", "end": "03:41:13", "text": ">> I gave you the short version."}, {"start": "03:41:12", "end": "03:41:16", "text": ">> Oh, I see."}, {"start": "03:41:13", "end": "03:41:19", "text": ">> There was a lot"}, {"start": "03:41:16", "end": "03:41:21", "text": "investigations on this guy."}, {"start": "03:41:19", "end": "03:41:24", "text": ">> Um we did background background"}, {"start": "03:41:21", "end": "03:41:27", "text": "background. Um and that this is what"}, {"start": "03:41:24", "end": "03:41:30", "text": "makes it really interesting. the only"}, {"start": "03:41:27", "end": "03:41:33", "text": "the only date of birth for that name of"}, {"start": "03:41:30", "end": "03:41:35", "text": "that person that we could find and we"}, {"start": "03:41:33", "end": "03:41:38", "text": "have"}, {"start": "03:41:35", "end": "03:41:42", "text": "even back in the 80s we had you know the"}, {"start": "03:41:38", "end": "03:41:44", "text": "defense index of of indices we had the"}, {"start": "03:41:42", "end": "03:41:46", "text": "FBI the IR everything we searched"}, {"start": "03:41:44", "end": "03:41:49", "text": "everything was somebody that was born in"}, {"start": "03:41:46", "end": "03:41:52", "text": "19 in 1879"}, {"start": "03:41:49", "end": "03:41:55", "text": "and uh I think it was"}, {"start": "03:41:52", "end": "03:41:57", "text": "uh some I think it was Billing was"}, {"start": "03:41:55", "end": "03:42:00", "text": "Montana but someplace else and I think"}, {"start": "03:41:57", "end": "03:42:04", "text": "it was Montana. That's the only name we"}, {"start": "03:42:00", "end": "03:42:05", "text": "could find that that fit that person."}, {"start": "03:42:04", "end": "03:42:06", "text": ">> And so"}, {"start": "03:42:05", "end": "03:42:08", "text": ">> was that who he was claiming to be?"}, {"start": "03:42:06", "end": "03:42:12", "text": ">> Yeah, he was claiming to be that person."}, {"start": "03:42:08", "end": "03:42:15", "text": "And he gave us all sorts of uh I mean,"}, {"start": "03:42:12", "end": "03:42:18", "text": "and again, I wasn't the main person that"}, {"start": "03:42:15", "end": "03:42:19", "text": "investigated him. Other agents did that,"}, {"start": "03:42:18", "end": "03:42:22", "text": "so I don't know everything that was"}, {"start": "03:42:19", "end": "03:42:24", "text": "done, but you know, I had a report that"}, {"start": "03:42:22", "end": "03:42:26", "text": "I'd read. They went out to where he"}, {"start": "03:42:24", "end": "03:42:28", "text": "claimed he lived in Barstow, California."}, {"start": "03:42:26", "end": "03:42:31", "text": "They checked his residence. They checked"}, {"start": "03:42:28", "end": "03:42:35", "text": "where he supposedly worked. Uh he"}, {"start": "03:42:31", "end": "03:42:39", "text": "claimed he'd worked in some place in uh"}, {"start": "03:42:35", "end": "03:42:42", "text": "uh Bend, Oregon uh in 1934 or something"}, {"start": "03:42:39", "end": "03:42:44", "text": "like that. Some some date. They went up"}, {"start": "03:42:42", "end": "03:42:47", "text": "there. Uh the company didn't exist"}, {"start": "03:42:44", "end": "03:42:49", "text": "anymore. Nobody knew anything about. So"}, {"start": "03:42:47", "end": "03:42:51", "text": "there's there was no checking. He"}, {"start": "03:42:49", "end": "03:42:53", "text": "couldn't check. He claimed he was"}, {"start": "03:42:51", "end": "03:42:57", "text": "something in 1920. I can't remember."}, {"start": "03:42:53", "end": "03:43:02", "text": "Something about 1920 where he was in New"}, {"start": "03:42:57", "end": "03:43:04", "text": "York or um on a ship or something and"}, {"start": "03:43:02", "end": "03:43:07", "text": "they couldn't find anything. Uh there"}, {"start": "03:43:04", "end": "03:43:09", "text": "was there was something else that they"}, {"start": "03:43:07", "end": "03:43:13", "text": "found that verified that name. I think"}, {"start": "03:43:09", "end": "03:43:19", "text": "it was on a ship manifest from um Cuba"}, {"start": "03:43:13", "end": "03:43:21", "text": "to uh to New York uh in 19 something"}, {"start": "03:43:19", "end": "03:43:22", "text": "1907 or something a name."}, {"start": "03:43:21", "end": "03:43:25", "text": ">> How strange."}, {"start": "03:43:22", "end": "03:43:28", "text": ">> But that's they they did all that stuff."}, {"start": "03:43:25", "end": "03:43:30", "text": "So and somebody you know I guess Sandy"}, {"start": "03:43:28", "end": "03:43:33", "text": "Labs decided they were going to hire him"}, {"start": "03:43:30", "end": "03:43:35", "text": "if he can do this. and they did a lot of"}, {"start": "03:43:33", "end": "03:43:37", "text": "background and they did a lot of"}, {"start": "03:43:35", "end": "03:43:39", "text": "examination of him psychological and and"}, {"start": "03:43:37", "end": "03:43:40", "text": "physical and all that and that's"}, {"start": "03:43:39", "end": "03:43:41", "text": "something they did. I didn't I wasn't"}, {"start": "03:43:40", "end": "03:43:44", "text": "involved any of that."}, {"start": "03:43:41", "end": "03:43:48", "text": ">> Was there any other instances of time"}, {"start": "03:43:44", "end": "03:43:50", "text": "travel that you were maybe briefed on?"}, {"start": "03:43:48", "end": "03:43:54", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "03:43:50", "end": "03:43:56", "text": "yes, but that was part of the Sandia uh"}, {"start": "03:43:54", "end": "03:43:58", "text": "labs experiments and I'm pretty sure"}, {"start": "03:43:56", "end": "03:44:02", "text": "that's still probably proprietary. Uh"}, {"start": "03:43:58", "end": "03:44:04", "text": "but there were uh I think two cases"}, {"start": "03:44:02", "end": "03:44:06", "text": "where"}, {"start": "03:44:04", "end": "03:44:10", "text": "there was legitimate"}, {"start": "03:44:06", "end": "03:44:11", "text": "evidence of something traveling."}, {"start": "03:44:10", "end": "03:44:13", "text": ">> What's your"}, {"start": "03:44:11", "end": "03:44:14", "text": ">> uh back in time I think it was. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:44:13", "end": "03:44:16", "text": ">> Which Back in Time is interesting."}, {"start": "03:44:14", "end": "03:44:19", "text": "What's your conviction level on looking"}, {"start": "03:44:16", "end": "03:44:20", "text": "glass?"}, {"start": "03:44:19", "end": "03:44:21", "text": "[clears throat]"}, {"start": "03:44:20", "end": "03:44:24", "text": ">> I don't know enough about it. I just"}, {"start": "03:44:21", "end": "03:44:25", "text": "know what I've read in uh you know open"}, {"start": "03:44:24", "end": "03:44:25", "text": "sources but"}, {"start": "03:44:25", "end": "03:44:27", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:44:25", "end": "03:44:29", "text": ">> No, I don't know anything. Never come"}, {"start": "03:44:27", "end": "03:44:31", "text": "across any type of device that peers"}, {"start": "03:44:29", "end": "03:44:33", "text": "into time."}, {"start": "03:44:31", "end": "03:44:35", "text": ">> Oh"}, {"start": "03:44:33", "end": "03:44:38", "text": "um"}, {"start": "03:44:35", "end": "03:44:39", "text": "um yeah there the widget. Let's go back"}, {"start": "03:44:38", "end": "03:44:39", "text": "to the widget."}, {"start": "03:44:39", "end": "03:44:41", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:44:39", "end": "03:44:43", "text": ">> We got a widget from our friends or"}, {"start": "03:44:41", "end": "03:44:46", "text": "visitors."}, {"start": "03:44:43", "end": "03:44:48", "text": ">> Well like the yellow book."}, {"start": "03:44:46", "end": "03:44:49", "text": ">> Yeah the yellow book."}, {"start": "03:44:48", "end": "03:44:51", "text": ">> So that's uh"}, {"start": "03:44:49", "end": "03:44:54", "text": ">> the yellow book. That's it."}, {"start": "03:44:51", "end": "03:44:56", "text": ">> And that's your high conviction on that?"}, {"start": "03:44:54", "end": "03:44:59", "text": "That's my only I mean I've heard other"}, {"start": "03:44:56", "end": "03:45:02", "text": "people talk but I me personally I didn't"}, {"start": "03:44:59", "end": "03:45:05", "text": "experience anything uh regarding time"}, {"start": "03:45:02", "end": "03:45:08", "text": "travel other than what I saw during the"}, {"start": "03:45:05", "end": "03:45:10", "text": "experiments that were happening uh at"}, {"start": "03:45:08", "end": "03:45:12", "text": "other places like in Nevada test site"}, {"start": "03:45:10", "end": "03:45:13", "text": "there was an underground facility that"}, {"start": "03:45:12", "end": "03:45:14", "text": "had these huge magnets and they were"}, {"start": "03:45:13", "end": "03:45:17", "text": "shooting things through the magnets"}, {"start": "03:45:14", "end": "03:45:19", "text": "again I'm not a scientist so I'm just"}, {"start": "03:45:17", "end": "03:45:21", "text": "lay lay persons explaining what I saw"}, {"start": "03:45:19", "end": "03:45:24", "text": ">> and I saw at one time and they were"}, {"start": "03:45:21", "end": "03:45:27", "text": "doing experiments something opened"}, {"start": "03:45:24", "end": "03:45:29", "text": "And a scientist was standing next to me."}, {"start": "03:45:27", "end": "03:45:31", "text": "I said, \"What's that?\" He says, \"You"}, {"start": "03:45:29", "end": "03:45:32", "text": "just saw the fabric of space opening.\""}, {"start": "03:45:31", "end": "03:45:34", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:45:32", "end": "03:45:37", "text": ">> And for a split I mean it wasn't like it"}, {"start": "03:45:34", "end": "03:45:40", "text": "open just for a split second. I mean or"}, {"start": "03:45:37", "end": "03:45:45", "text": "you know whatever a second but that's I"}, {"start": "03:45:40", "end": "03:45:47", "text": "saw that and and so they in 1980s"}, {"start": "03:45:45", "end": "03:45:50", "text": "uh they were able to do that. So just"}, {"start": "03:45:47", "end": "03:45:52", "text": "imagine what they could do now. I can't,"}, {"start": "03:45:50", "end": "03:45:54", "text": "you know, we spoke about this at dinner"}, {"start": "03:45:52", "end": "03:45:57", "text": "yesterday, but like with the exponential"}, {"start": "03:45:54", "end": "03:45:59", "text": "growth of technology and how fast that's"}, {"start": "03:45:57", "end": "03:46:03", "text": "moving, um, you know, what looks like"}, {"start": "03:45:59", "end": "03:46:05", "text": "the the stealth bomber in 2010, you"}, {"start": "03:46:03", "end": "03:46:08", "text": "know, to the people in 1980 might look"}, {"start": "03:46:05", "end": "03:46:10", "text": "futuristic, but what 30 years from now"}, {"start": "03:46:08", "end": "03:46:14", "text": "looks like would be indistinguishable"}, {"start": "03:46:10", "end": "03:46:15", "text": "from alien tech. I I I believe um I"}, {"start": "03:46:14", "end": "03:46:17", "text": "think that anything we see that's 30"}, {"start": "03:46:15", "end": "03:46:19", "text": "years advanced with the exponential"}, {"start": "03:46:17", "end": "03:46:21", "text": "growth including AI and everything else."}, {"start": "03:46:19", "end": "03:46:23", "text": "I mean I don't even think we could"}, {"start": "03:46:21", "end": "03:46:24", "text": "imagine what that might look like in 30"}, {"start": "03:46:23", "end": "03:46:25", "text": "years."}, {"start": "03:46:24", "end": "03:46:26", "text": ">> Did you have you ever heard of the"}, {"start": "03:46:25", "end": "03:46:27", "text": "Lancaster incident?"}, {"start": "03:46:26", "end": "03:46:29", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "03:46:27", "end": "03:46:30", "text": ">> Lancaster, Pennsylvania in you heard of"}, {"start": "03:46:29", "end": "03:46:32", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "03:46:30", "end": "03:46:35", "text": ">> There's a story that was written in a"}, {"start": "03:46:32", "end": "03:46:38", "text": "book uh and Bill Moore had the book."}, {"start": "03:46:35", "end": "03:46:40", "text": "It's an old old book. Uh it was written"}, {"start": "03:46:38", "end": "03:46:42", "text": "in 18 you know something. Anyways,"}, {"start": "03:46:40", "end": "03:46:44", "text": "Lancaster, Pennsylvania during the Civil"}, {"start": "03:46:42", "end": "03:46:47", "text": "War."}, {"start": "03:46:44", "end": "03:46:51", "text": "Um, there was a photographer that was at"}, {"start": "03:46:47", "end": "03:46:53", "text": "a battlefield. Uh, I think he was Union."}, {"start": "03:46:51", "end": "03:46:55", "text": "Pretty sure he was Union and he was"}, {"start": "03:46:53", "end": "03:46:57", "text": "because they had the big cameras and"}, {"start": "03:46:55", "end": "03:46:59", "text": "they took this picture of the"}, {"start": "03:46:57", "end": "03:47:03", "text": "battlefield, but in the background of"}, {"start": "03:46:59", "end": "03:47:06", "text": "that picture, you would see a jet, which"}, {"start": "03:47:03", "end": "03:47:07", "text": "looked to me like a B1B bomber."}, {"start": "03:47:06", "end": "03:47:10", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "03:47:07", "end": "03:47:12", "text": ">> How h how'd that happen? And so I mean"}, {"start": "03:47:10", "end": "03:47:15", "text": "that was there was a guy that spoke at a"}, {"start": "03:47:12", "end": "03:47:18", "text": "UFO convention way back about 2005 or"}, {"start": "03:47:15", "end": "03:47:19", "text": "six about that picture but all he had"}, {"start": "03:47:18", "end": "03:47:22", "text": "was that picture. There's no"}, {"start": "03:47:19", "end": "03:47:24", "text": "explanation, no evidence of the real,"}, {"start": "03:47:22", "end": "03:47:25", "text": "you know, nobody has a real it's a"}, {"start": "03:47:24", "end": "03:47:27", "text": "picture of a picture of a picture."}, {"start": "03:47:25", "end": "03:47:29", "text": ">> Yeah. You see you see those photos pop"}, {"start": "03:47:27", "end": "03:47:30", "text": "up where like oh is this a time traveler"}, {"start": "03:47:29", "end": "03:47:33", "text": "and that type of stuff."}, {"start": "03:47:30", "end": "03:47:33", "text": ">> How did what how did that plane get"}, {"start": "03:47:33", "end": "03:47:36", "text": "there?"}, {"start": "03:47:33", "end": "03:47:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:47:36", "end": "03:47:39", "text": ">> Interesting. All right. Let's get to the"}, {"start": "03:47:38", "end": "03:47:41", "text": "next question. Thanks for answering"}, {"start": "03:47:39", "end": "03:47:44", "text": "that. Um,"}, {"start": "03:47:41", "end": "03:47:47", "text": ">> this is a good one from Chris in Austin,"}, {"start": "03:47:44", "end": "03:47:47", "text": "Texas."}, {"start": "03:47:54", "end": "03:47:58", "text": "He asks, \"What was the most serious UAP"}, {"start": "03:47:57", "end": "03:48:00", "text": "incident or slash encounter that you"}, {"start": "03:47:58", "end": "03:48:05", "text": "were briefed on?\" I think, you know,"}, {"start": "03:48:00", "end": "03:48:06", "text": "speaking about that uh Air Force uh"}, {"start": "03:48:05", "end": "03:48:06", "text": "captain, was it?"}, {"start": "03:48:06", "end": "03:48:08", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:48:06", "end": "03:48:09", "text": ">> probably. Yeah, that would probably be"}, {"start": "03:48:08", "end": "03:48:10", "text": "the"}, {"start": "03:48:09", "end": "03:48:13", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:48:10", "end": "03:48:16", "text": ">> the the most serious. Uh there uh there"}, {"start": "03:48:13", "end": "03:48:18", "text": "was another uh incident. I wasn't again"}, {"start": "03:48:16", "end": "03:48:21", "text": "directly involved in it"}, {"start": "03:48:18", "end": "03:48:23", "text": ">> that happened actually within the Nellis"}, {"start": "03:48:21", "end": "03:48:27", "text": "testing range"}, {"start": "03:48:23", "end": "03:48:32", "text": ">> um that uh was incredible and I actually"}, {"start": "03:48:27", "end": "03:48:34", "text": "have the statement from the guy that"}, {"start": "03:48:32", "end": "03:48:38", "text": "sent me this. Uh he was actually there"}, {"start": "03:48:34", "end": "03:48:41", "text": "and it happened in um"}, {"start": "03:48:38", "end": "03:48:41", "text": "the the 70s"}, {"start": "03:48:41", "end": "03:48:47", "text": "um"}, {"start": "03:48:44", "end": "03:48:51", "text": "Steve it happened in 19 Well yeah"}, {"start": "03:48:47", "end": "03:48:54", "text": "if you read that and you read the um"}, {"start": "03:48:51", "end": "03:48:57", "text": "um a certain air force person that came"}, {"start": "03:48:54", "end": "03:49:03", "text": "out saying that he was involved in some"}, {"start": "03:48:57", "end": "03:49:08", "text": "incident. Uh this is a story that"}, {"start": "03:49:03", "end": "03:49:12", "text": "uh was I talked about on Gaia uh"}, {"start": "03:49:08", "end": "03:49:15", "text": "four years before um this particular Air"}, {"start": "03:49:12", "end": "03:49:19", "text": "Force guy came out to public. So"}, {"start": "03:49:15", "end": "03:49:21", "text": ">> and what exactly goes on here? Uh this"}, {"start": "03:49:19", "end": "03:49:23", "text": "there was an air force team out at"}, {"start": "03:49:21", "end": "03:49:25", "text": "Nellis test and training range that was"}, {"start": "03:49:23", "end": "03:49:28", "text": "going from one place to another and they"}, {"start": "03:49:25", "end": "03:49:29", "text": "ran across an extraterrestrial walking"}, {"start": "03:49:28", "end": "03:49:32", "text": "along the road."}, {"start": "03:49:29", "end": "03:49:36", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "03:49:32", "end": "03:49:41", "text": "Whoa. And they uh panicked. The vehicle"}, {"start": "03:49:36", "end": "03:49:44", "text": "shut down. They uh they had a radio uh"}, {"start": "03:49:41", "end": "03:49:48", "text": "in their vehicle and they tried to call"}, {"start": "03:49:44", "end": "03:49:52", "text": "for help. They finally uh got a got a"}, {"start": "03:49:48", "end": "03:49:56", "text": "worker, it wasn't a a"}, {"start": "03:49:52", "end": "03:49:59", "text": "a policeman or anything or camel dude to"}, {"start": "03:49:56", "end": "03:50:02", "text": "report it and eventually it was reported"}, {"start": "03:49:59", "end": "03:50:04", "text": "to o uh to OSI."}, {"start": "03:50:02", "end": "03:50:07", "text": "that kind of follows the same story that"}, {"start": "03:50:04", "end": "03:50:10", "text": "another person who talked about, but"}, {"start": "03:50:07", "end": "03:50:13", "text": "this happened in um"}, {"start": "03:50:10", "end": "03:50:17", "text": "you know and and uh"}, {"start": "03:50:13", "end": "03:50:18", "text": "the same time period that he's talking"}, {"start": "03:50:17", "end": "03:50:20", "text": "about,"}, {"start": "03:50:18", "end": "03:50:23", "text": ">> but this is verified."}, {"start": "03:50:20", "end": "03:50:24", "text": ">> Um this isn't like I mean you you've"}, {"start": "03:50:23", "end": "03:50:26", "text": "heard of the Jason Sans"}, {"start": "03:50:24", "end": "03:50:28", "text": ">> Jason Sans that's talking about. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:50:26", "end": "03:50:29", "text": ">> I don't want to name name you mentioned"}, {"start": "03:50:28", "end": "03:50:29", "text": "his name so"}, {"start": "03:50:29", "end": "03:50:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:50:29", "end": "03:50:35", "text": ">> Yeah. So that's similar"}, {"start": "03:50:31", "end": "03:50:37", "text": ">> similar or Jason got it from here. I"}, {"start": "03:50:35", "end": "03:50:39", "text": "don't know. I don't know. I don't know."}, {"start": "03:50:37", "end": "03:50:40", "text": ">> But yeah, in and around the same time"}, {"start": "03:50:39", "end": "03:50:41", "text": "frame"}, {"start": "03:50:40", "end": "03:50:42", "text": ">> area as well."}, {"start": "03:50:41", "end": "03:50:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Same"}, {"start": "03:50:42", "end": "03:50:44", "text": ">> being as well described"}, {"start": "03:50:43", "end": "03:50:46", "text": ">> being"}, {"start": "03:50:44", "end": "03:50:49", "text": ">> blue skin. Yeah. Wow."}, {"start": "03:50:46", "end": "03:50:52", "text": ">> But if you go to a guy at my I can't I"}, {"start": "03:50:49", "end": "03:50:54", "text": "think it was episode 80 or something."}, {"start": "03:50:52", "end": "03:50:55", "text": ">> This was this was told,"}, {"start": "03:50:54", "end": "03:50:58", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "03:50:55", "end": "03:50:58", "text": ">> And that's two years before Jason Sand"}, {"start": "03:50:58", "end": "03:51:00", "text": "came out."}, {"start": "03:50:58", "end": "03:51:03", "text": ">> I see. I see. So, you're saying that"}, {"start": "03:51:00", "end": "03:51:04", "text": "there might be some type of overlap in"}, {"start": "03:51:03", "end": "03:51:05", "text": "this material or"}, {"start": "03:51:04", "end": "03:51:07", "text": ">> maybe they just had a different"}, {"start": "03:51:05", "end": "03:51:08", "text": "incident. I'm not saying Jason lying."}, {"start": "03:51:07", "end": "03:51:09", "text": "I'm just saying that"}, {"start": "03:51:08", "end": "03:51:10", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:51:09", "end": "03:51:12", "text": ">> doesn't fit."}, {"start": "03:51:10", "end": "03:51:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. One of the stories is"}, {"start": "03:51:12", "end": "03:51:15", "text": "already out there. So, it it definitely"}, {"start": "03:51:13", "end": "03:51:20", "text": "takes away from some of the credibility,"}, {"start": "03:51:15", "end": "03:51:20", "text": ">> right? Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Um"}, {"start": "03:51:21", "end": "03:51:26", "text": "I think uh do we do I think we have one"}, {"start": "03:51:23", "end": "03:51:29", "text": "more here."}, {"start": "03:51:26", "end": "03:51:32", "text": "Um, actually, let let me ask you one"}, {"start": "03:51:29", "end": "03:51:36", "text": "last question. See if you want to maybe"}, {"start": "03:51:32", "end": "03:51:39", "text": "a bit of a game. Can you give me"}, {"start": "03:51:36", "end": "03:51:41", "text": "two truths in a lie?"}, {"start": "03:51:39", "end": "03:51:44", "text": ">> Two truths and a lie"}, {"start": "03:51:41", "end": "03:51:46", "text": ">> and I won't attempt to guess anything"}, {"start": "03:51:44", "end": "03:51:47", "text": "and we'll just leave it at that."}, {"start": "03:51:46", "end": "03:51:48", "text": ">> So, you can say,"}, {"start": "03:51:47", "end": "03:51:48", "text": ">> \"Okay.\""}, {"start": "03:51:48", "end": "03:51:51", "text": ">> Whatever."}, {"start": "03:51:48", "end": "03:51:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We we we"}, {"start": "03:51:51", "end": "03:51:55", "text": "actually played this game in um in the"}, {"start": "03:51:54", "end": "03:51:56", "text": "intelligence operations course."}, {"start": "03:51:55", "end": "03:51:58", "text": "interesting"}, {"start": "03:51:56", "end": "03:52:02", "text": ">> to each other for a psychological test."}, {"start": "03:51:58", "end": "03:52:02", "text": "Yeah. Um I'm not going to tell you."}, {"start": "03:52:02", "end": "03:52:03", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "03:52:02", "end": "03:52:08", "text": ">> Don't tell me anything. Just"}, {"start": "03:52:03", "end": "03:52:08", "text": ">> Okay. Um in 1980,"}, {"start": "03:52:08", "end": "03:52:15", "text": "I was um"}, {"start": "03:52:11", "end": "03:52:17", "text": "driving from uh in New Mexico. I was"}, {"start": "03:52:15", "end": "03:52:20", "text": "stationed in New Mexico. I was driving"}, {"start": "03:52:17", "end": "03:52:22", "text": "from one place to another to pick up a"}, {"start": "03:52:20", "end": "03:52:23", "text": "good friend of mine. He came in at an"}, {"start": "03:52:22", "end": "03:52:28", "text": "airport that wasn't an Albuquerque"}, {"start": "03:52:23", "end": "03:52:29", "text": "airport. Okay. And um along the way"}, {"start": "03:52:28", "end": "03:52:31", "text": "after I picked him up, I was it was"}, {"start": "03:52:29", "end": "03:52:35", "text": "Santa Fe. I was coming back and"}, {"start": "03:52:31", "end": "03:52:39", "text": "Interstate 25. And he said uh he he"}, {"start": "03:52:35", "end": "03:52:40", "text": "pointed to um Sandia Crest, which is a"}, {"start": "03:52:39", "end": "03:52:43", "text": "big mountain there. I don't know if"}, {"start": "03:52:40", "end": "03:52:45", "text": "you've been to Albuquerque, but and he"}, {"start": "03:52:43", "end": "03:52:46", "text": "said, \"There's a uh tram that goes up"}, {"start": "03:52:45", "end": "03:52:49", "text": "there, right?\" I said, \"Yeah, yeah,"}, {"start": "03:52:46", "end": "03:52:52", "text": "there's there's a tram, important tram.\""}, {"start": "03:52:49", "end": "03:52:54", "text": "He said, \"Can you take me up there?\" I"}, {"start": "03:52:52", "end": "03:52:57", "text": "said, \"Sure.\" So, as we turn to go up"}, {"start": "03:52:54", "end": "03:53:00", "text": "that road, we see the tram going up. And"}, {"start": "03:52:57", "end": "03:53:03", "text": "above the tram was this object following"}, {"start": "03:53:00", "end": "03:53:03", "text": "the tram up"}, {"start": "03:53:04", "end": "03:53:10", "text": "up to the top of the mountain. Okay. in"}, {"start": "03:53:08", "end": "03:53:13", "text": "um"}, {"start": "03:53:10", "end": "03:53:13", "text": "about 1965."}, {"start": "03:53:14", "end": "03:53:26", "text": "Uh I wrestled in high school and um I"}, {"start": "03:53:19", "end": "03:53:29", "text": "was at a we were wrestling our uh our"}, {"start": "03:53:26", "end": "03:53:32", "text": "rival school and and the and the"}, {"start": "03:53:29", "end": "03:53:35", "text": "wrestling programs for the school"}, {"start": "03:53:32", "end": "03:53:38", "text": "was really a rival. You know, one match"}, {"start": "03:53:35", "end": "03:53:40", "text": "we'd beat then they'd b beat us and as"}, {"start": "03:53:38", "end": "03:53:42", "text": "you if you know about wrestling, you"}, {"start": "03:53:40", "end": "03:53:47", "text": "start at lower weights and you work up"}, {"start": "03:53:42", "end": "03:53:49", "text": "and and I was at the 130 pound class and"}, {"start": "03:53:47", "end": "03:53:54", "text": "I was wrestling"}, {"start": "03:53:49", "end": "03:53:56", "text": "the uh he was a runner up the state"}, {"start": "03:53:54", "end": "03:53:59", "text": "the year earlier"}, {"start": "03:53:56", "end": "03:54:02", "text": "and we were tied at that point because"}, {"start": "03:53:59", "end": "03:54:05", "text": "we had other matches ahead and I"}, {"start": "03:54:02", "end": "03:54:09", "text": "wrestled this guy and I beat him for on"}, {"start": "03:54:05", "end": "03:54:12", "text": "one. I beat him at almost because three"}, {"start": "03:54:09", "end": "03:54:15", "text": "minute uh rounds. The third round I came"}, {"start": "03:54:12", "end": "03:54:18", "text": "within a second of pinning him. I get"}, {"start": "03:54:15", "end": "03:54:21", "text": "the uh predicament which is a point and"}, {"start": "03:54:18", "end": "03:54:23", "text": "I win by one point."}, {"start": "03:54:21", "end": "03:54:26", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "03:54:23", "end": "03:54:31", "text": "in um let me see this was would have"}, {"start": "03:54:26", "end": "03:54:31", "text": "been in 201"}, {"start": "03:54:31", "end": "03:54:39", "text": "15. No, no. 2014 I went to Laos. I was"}, {"start": "03:54:36", "end": "03:54:42", "text": "involved with this group that uh was"}, {"start": "03:54:39", "end": "03:54:45", "text": "still looking for PS in Laos. And I went"}, {"start": "03:54:42", "end": "03:54:48", "text": "to Laos with this group of people to go"}, {"start": "03:54:45", "end": "03:54:53", "text": "to a certain location to try to find"}, {"start": "03:54:48", "end": "03:54:57", "text": "evidence of whether these uh PS that"}, {"start": "03:54:53", "end": "03:55:00", "text": "were at this site was called Messi 85."}, {"start": "03:54:57", "end": "03:55:02", "text": "was any remnants of it or or because the"}, {"start": "03:55:00", "end": "03:55:06", "text": "site had been excavated by the military"}, {"start": "03:55:02", "end": "03:55:10", "text": "before. So I went there with this group"}, {"start": "03:55:06", "end": "03:55:12", "text": "and we found some not remains but we s"}, {"start": "03:55:10", "end": "03:55:14", "text": "find some evidence of something that had"}, {"start": "03:55:12", "end": "03:55:16", "text": "occurred there. There's my three"}, {"start": "03:55:14", "end": "03:55:18", "text": "stories. Amazing. Thank you for sharing"}, {"start": "03:55:16", "end": "03:55:20", "text": "that. I'll let the audience decide."}, {"start": "03:55:18", "end": "03:55:24", "text": "Maybe leave your comments below. One,"}, {"start": "03:55:20", "end": "03:55:25", "text": "two, or three. Which one is the lie? Um"}, {"start": "03:55:24", "end": "03:55:27", "text": "lastly, I just want to leave you with"}, {"start": "03:55:25", "end": "03:55:29", "text": "this."}, {"start": "03:55:27", "end": "03:55:34", "text": "Richard Dodie,"}, {"start": "03:55:29", "end": "03:55:37", "text": "how do you want to be remembered?"}, {"start": "03:55:34", "end": "03:55:41", "text": ">> Oh, wow. Um,"}, {"start": "03:55:37", "end": "03:55:45", "text": "well, I want to remember"}, {"start": "03:55:41", "end": "03:55:48", "text": "as a u a person who did their duty"}, {"start": "03:55:45", "end": "03:55:51", "text": "during my government service. I was in a"}, {"start": "03:55:48", "end": "03:55:53", "text": "regular air force. I had distinguished"}, {"start": "03:55:51", "end": "03:55:55", "text": "duty in irregular air force. I went to"}, {"start": "03:55:53", "end": "03:55:57", "text": "intelligence"}, {"start": "03:55:55", "end": "03:55:59", "text": "uh for a number of years. I did my duty."}, {"start": "03:55:57", "end": "03:56:02", "text": "I did what I was told to do, how I was"}, {"start": "03:55:59", "end": "03:56:05", "text": "told to do it, and when I was told to do"}, {"start": "03:56:02", "end": "03:56:08", "text": "it. Uh so I know there's a lot of"}, {"start": "03:56:05", "end": "03:56:10", "text": "animosity out there of what I did,"}, {"start": "03:56:08", "end": "03:56:12", "text": "especially during the Pub Benitis case,"}, {"start": "03:56:10", "end": "03:56:14", "text": "which we really didn't go into a lot of"}, {"start": "03:56:12", "end": "03:56:16", "text": "details on. There's a lot more to that"}, {"start": "03:56:14", "end": "03:56:19", "text": "story, but I want to remember as as as"}, {"start": "03:56:16", "end": "03:56:22", "text": "being a person who did their job, did"}, {"start": "03:56:19", "end": "03:56:26", "text": "their duties uh to their country and"}, {"start": "03:56:22", "end": "03:56:29", "text": "then afterwards I served also uh in"}, {"start": "03:56:26", "end": "03:56:31", "text": "trying to get this story out, disclosure"}, {"start": "03:56:29", "end": "03:56:33", "text": "out. That's why I'm here. That's why"}, {"start": "03:56:31", "end": "03:56:36", "text": "I've done over 200 episodes on Gaia."}, {"start": "03:56:33", "end": "03:56:38", "text": "That's why I I I'm open to podcasters or"}, {"start": "03:56:36", "end": "03:56:40", "text": "I I made made videos or I have the Dodie"}, {"start": "03:56:38", "end": "03:56:43", "text": "Chronicles out there. I'm telling the"}, {"start": "03:56:40", "end": "03:56:45", "text": "story as much of it as I can without"}, {"start": "03:56:43", "end": "03:56:47", "text": "disclosing classified information or"}, {"start": "03:56:45", "end": "03:56:51", "text": "jeopardizing national security. That's"}, {"start": "03:56:47", "end": "03:56:51", "text": "why how I want to be remembered."}, {"start": "03:56:51", "end": "03:56:55", "text": ">> Thank you so much for sharing all that."}, {"start": "03:56:54", "end": "03:56:57", "text": "I really appreciate your time. I"}, {"start": "03:56:55", "end": "03:57:00", "text": "appreciate you coming out here and uh"}, {"start": "03:56:57", "end": "03:57:03", "text": "and visiting us and and uh sharing your"}, {"start": "03:57:00", "end": "03:57:05", "text": "stories uh with my audience. And uh I"}, {"start": "03:57:03", "end": "03:57:07", "text": "can't wait to see I can't wait to see"}, {"start": "03:57:05", "end": "03:57:09", "text": "how this is received. To be honest,"}, {"start": "03:57:07", "end": "03:57:10", "text": "there's a lot here. Uh, thank you for"}, {"start": "03:57:09", "end": "03:57:14", "text": "your time, Richard."}, {"start": "03:57:10", "end": "03:57:14", "text": ">> You're very welcome, Chris."}, {"start": "03:57:27", "end": "03:57:29", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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Um, I met you"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "first at the contact in the desert uh"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "convention this past year. we were both"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "on a panel and I got to say I was just"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "completely enamored with um your takes"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "on reality uh and and you know"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "throughout this this discussion that we"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "were having on stage was really"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "interesting because it was a sort of"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "back and forth about agency"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": ">> and and uh the the disclosure dialogue"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "and and everything else and then you"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "know just finished your book have a nice"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "disclosure uh which isn't about alien"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "disclosure at all it's more about sort"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "of inner disclosure and and uh this this"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "more sort of uh the deeper sentiment of"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "dealing with something that is not"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "understandable by your you know general"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "human senses. Um very fascinating."}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "You're a very fascinating person. you've"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "done incredible work in the study of SI"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "in the study of precognitive"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "um you know precognition um all sorts of"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "really interesting sigh stuff and and"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "you continue today to just really"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "spearhead this conversation in a way"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "that doesn't feel militarized."}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:44", "text": ">> Yay."}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> And I think that that we need more of"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "that, right? Because there is a"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "spectrum. I I always I always feel like"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "there's a spectrum of a masculine and a"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "feminine energy with this stuff. And"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "like on on the on the on the feminine"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "energy, it's like it's all crystals and"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "woo. And on the masculine side of it,"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "it's all like missiles and, you know,"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "and war. And there are people on, you"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "know, both sides of that spectrum that"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "inhabit the middle. And that's where"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "these really fascinating conversations"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "start to take place because we're"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "considering everything. Yeah. and we're"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "we're sort of branching out and yeah,"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "I'm just a big fan of you and so thank"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "you for joining me today."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> Wow, I love that. What a great"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "introduction. I'd like to frame it in"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "time."}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:25", "text": ">> Done. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> Excellent."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> Um yeah, so we just had breakfast. we"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "shared or lunch and um you know we were"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "we were talking about a lot of things"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "and and you know there's there's that"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "part of uh the conversation that leads"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "into a podcast that the audience doesn't"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "get you know they don't get to hear but"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "a lot of that is like this dance of hold"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "on"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> should we save this"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> yeah we did that a couple times"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:49", "text": ">> we did that a couple times"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> um you know but we're going to be"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "talking about all sorts of wonderful"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "things today"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": ">> including you know non-local"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "consciousness including time travel uh"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "including intuition and and what is what"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "does synchronicity mean in all of this"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "and all of these wonderful ideas. But"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "hearing it from a cognitive"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "neuroscientist I think adds a little"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "gravitas to it for myself at least and"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "it it definitely inspires me to ask you"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "some of the more deeper questions today."}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "But uh I want to start by just asking"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "you"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "you've been in this field for quite a"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "long time. Um you've you've you've seen"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "a lot you've heard a lot. You've studied"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "a lot. you've put out a lot of, you"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "know, papers on this stuff. What is what"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "is one thing in regards to how we are"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "currently interacting with reality that"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "you found to be most surprising in the"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "last sort of 10 years that you've that"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "you've been looking into this? Like"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "what's something that struck you as"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "well? This is a surprising way of sort"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "of filtering in reality that I hadn't"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "really pondered or thought about before."}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "Oh god, great question."}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "H"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "the unfortunately"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "I think some of the things that are most"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "surprising to me are surprising because"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "my mind works so differently. So I don't"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "know if they're so interesting because"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> Okay. [laughter] Right."}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> I'll be the judge of that."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:19", "text": ">> Okay. because"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "I just recently realized"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "that um for the most part"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "people still think that you have to"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "um build something"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "if you like a spaceship or something if"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "you want to do time travel for instance."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "Um or you have to"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "if you were to build a conscious"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "machine, you'd have to like"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "build it. You couldn't just take"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "something that was like a rock that was"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "already there"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> and make it conscious. And so these"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "things, it just occurred to me recently,"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "are huge um hypothesis stoppers. In"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "other words, we're not going to"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "hypothesize about all the things that we"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "could do with our minds in terms of"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "consciousness and how we can, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "use a rock to, you know, become alive or"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "whatever it is if we think that that's"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "impossible."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "And we're not going to assume that"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "another species or NHI or whatever you"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "want to call aliens, we're not going to"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "assume that they have that capacity"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "because we haven't thought of it yet."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": ">> That's interesting. And so the"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "underlying thing is just what are all"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "the hypotheses that we just completely"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "ignore because it never occurred to us"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "and how do we just absolutely not see"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "what's there? Like for instance, another"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "another one's like gravity is fuel. I"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "really feel that gravity could literally"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "be used as fuel. Um and maybe that's"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "what UAP are doing when they're just"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "bouncing around. Maybe they're just like"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "loading up and they have to do this"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "change of like the gravitational just a"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "little bit and then it fills up their"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "battery."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Maybe the like magnetosphere helps"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "them and so that's why they choose our"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "planet. I don't know. But like just the"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "the posity of hypotheses that just come"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "from our history rather than looking"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "into the future and seeing what's going"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "to change when we start to realize that"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "the laws of physics are shifting."}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:18", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> that's really interesting. Yeah, my"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "brain's going as well. Like even even as"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "um you know you you hear stories about"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "the idea of like spiritual energy"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "imbuing certain items and like these"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "things like how do we know that we can't"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "record an entire podcast into a can,"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> And then and then somehow extract that"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "information from this can"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> a million years in the future."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> Yeah. I'm not going to be the one to"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "figure it out."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> Or maybe there's like there's maybe a"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "podcast in in you know a tree root or"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "something that's been fossilized. And if"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "you're like into the curan hypothesis,"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "all we have to do is decode that, right?"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:52", "text": ">> And then we get all this information."}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "But of course, we don't think it can"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "happen, so we don't look"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:56", "text": ">> and so we don't look and we don't we"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "don't move our efforts in that"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "direction."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's that's a deep"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "one to start on to think, you know,"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "that's a great thought. Thank you for"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "that. That's really interesting to think"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "about because there, you know, you don't"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "know what you don't know. That's the"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "other thing. It's like,"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> you know, we can't we can't hypothesize"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "about stuff that we can't even, you"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "know, fathom."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": ">> Well, and and this is this is part of I"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "I think AI is very powerful and going to"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "do a lot of really amazing things,"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "especially in medicine. Um, and maybe"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "hopefully if we use it right in our"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "understanding of social interactions so"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "that we can not have war and things like"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "that, that would be fantastic or not"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "famine and things. But right now, one of"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "the things that AI does is it clamps"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "down on any kind of dreaming outside the"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "box. So when I have conversations with"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "AI about what about this, it's lazy and"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "it just comes back with, well, we don't"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "know that that would be real and we"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "probably shouldn't, you know, it just it"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "it like stops you. And so if we're going"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "to, you know, be training people to"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "interact with AI in school, etc., and"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "we're going to, you know, have them"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "figure out new technologies. They're"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "going to come up against this wall. And"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "when you don't know what you don't know,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "the last thing you want is something"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "acting like it knows and then telling"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "you like that's not interesting. So,"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "this is this is a concern I have."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": ">> Yeah. Gatekeeping by something that"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "doesn't even know it's gatekeeping."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:24", "text": ">> Yeah. That is a concern. And but there's"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "also the adverse side of that too where"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "it's like we also don't want to indulge"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "in people's psychosis"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> and and you know tell them you know"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "gaslight them into thinking yeah no"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "absolutely everybody is demonic and"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "you're like wait hold on you know"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:37", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:38", "text": ">> yeah no that is interesting"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> well I mean you can do experiments to"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "test for this so you don't have to just"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "say well wouldn't it be cool if gravity"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "could be used as fuel you can do"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "experiments you know and so that's what"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "it ought to be incurring encouraging"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "people to do and that's what it also"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "ought to be incurring is more"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "experimentation based on these ideas"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "that seem really far out but you can"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "actually test."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Do you which which um which AI"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "sort of LLM or or which one are you more"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "familiar with? Which one do you use if"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "you had to use any?"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:12", "text": ">> I use kind of them all for different"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "things."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": ">> Yeah. So"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": ">> what's what's your one for like Claude"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "for research? I guess"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": ">> Claude for research. um open AI for just"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "asking me good questions. Like I have a"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "open AI model that I train to"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> it's called a a student of humanity and"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "it asks only questions. It just asks"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "insightful questions and the idea is"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "that you have the answer and so it's not"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "giving you any information."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> That's very cool."}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": ">> So that I I use that and then notebook"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "LM I use when I'm trying to get cool"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "ideas about how to present things"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "visually."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": ">> So that kind of thing."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": ">> That's cool. It's cool to hear that"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "because you know you hear a lot of"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "reluctance in wanting to use AI"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "especially because a lot of people have"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "this idea that AI is perverse and that"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "it will"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:01", "text": ">> sort of um overshadow the human soul in"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "some way and in in some creative"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "expression and although that yes if you"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "let it but you know it's nice to hear"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "that there are good sides to it and I"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "think everybody you know has their own"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "relationship with AI at this point. Um,"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "but I guess we're all just trying to"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "figure out what's a healthy amount."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": ">> You know, because it it can it can veer"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "pretty quickly."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": ">> It really depends, I think, on how"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "you've been trained. Like I've been"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "trained to be an independent thinker my"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "whole life. uh even in my family and"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "then in school and then um you know in"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "the gifted program even though there's"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "all sorts of downsides to that one of"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "the upsides is you know lots of"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "independent thinking in graduate school"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "posttock and so when I'm talking to AI"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "about some research idea or something I"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "don't see it as an authority it's like a"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "thinking partner it's like what do you"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "think of this and then it says something"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "and then I'm like well but you haven't"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "thought of like that's actually just"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "glib like you haven't thought of this or"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "this and it's lazy. So, it'll just say,"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "\"Oh, yeah, you're right."}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:03", "text": ">> You're totally right.\""}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:07", "text": ">> Yeah, you're totally right. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "But it's uh it's I worry more about"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "people who haven't been trained to think"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "independently."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": ">> Mhm. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:16", "text": ">> Um so I I think AI is more of a problem"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "for people who are coming up and don't"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "and don't have proper education."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": ">> So I think that's and I think it's super"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "helpful. I mean when the data are out on"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "this like we know it's already very"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "helpful for people who are already mid"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "mid to senior career it's very helpful"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "uh but early career it's a disaster to"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "replace early career people with AI"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "because then who's going to learn who's"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "going to get to mid to senior career."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": ">> Yeah. You're externalizing"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": ">> memory you're externalizing experience"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "into this Yeah. digital thing."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Absolutely. Um you know you"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "touched on something right there. The"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "gifted and talented program. I know that"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "in your latest book you talk about that"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "a little bit as well. Uh I think soar uh"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "the program that you were uh in"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:00", "text": ">> Students on Active Research which is the"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "creepiest"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Students on active research."}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "So sounds so lovely. Um you know um and"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "you the title was Sorggate which I"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "thought was interesting. Right."}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Well gate because"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:14", "text": ">> play on Stargate."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly."}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:16", "text": ">> And then gate the program."}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:18", "text": ">> And gate the program. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:20", "text": ">> So could you could you fill us in a"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "little bit? I mean, I just, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "encourage anybody to go check out all"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "the books that you've done, but um could"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "you maybe fill us in a little bit about"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "what that was like uh coming up for you?"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:30", "text": ">> You know, obviously thinking it's a"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "little bit strange, the tests that"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "they're doing, the cognitive tests and"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "everything else, but also your research"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "into it afterwards as an adult, you"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "know, came up a little strange as well"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "and and maybe walk us through that."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:46", "text": ">> Sure. Um I started writing the book. I"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "didn't know I was writing a book. And"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "I'm like, I guess I'm writing something."}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "And um I realized, you know, maybe about"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "halfway through the first part of the"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "book that it was about disclosing in"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "yourself. And it was almost like a"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "spiritual process, but also like a"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "physical process, but also a social"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "process. Listen,"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "by the time I got done with that part of"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "the book, which I thought was the end of"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "the book, I realized that that process"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "had worked on me and that I had to write"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "about my own internal disclosure of this"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "thing."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "And uh you know, you can hear me swallow"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "and stuff because it's hard still and"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "I've talked about it several times"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "publicly. Um, but nonetheless,"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "it's hard to sort of recognize out loud"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "that who you are as a person"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "was"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "sort of shaped on purpose, not just by"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "your parents and not just by your"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "community, but by something that you"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "didn't even know was had an intention to"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "shape who you are."}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "And that's the part that I find"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "difficult. And so, so I I got interested"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "as I was writing the book in my"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "background in this gifted program called"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "Soore that I was in and officially in in"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "seventh grade. You know, when I say"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "officially, I mean, so like I have"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "friends who I still know who are also in"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "the program and so I know that I didn't"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "make it up, right? But I started being"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "tested for it and getting special"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "privileges and stuff that the other"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "students didn't get, I think, in"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "kindergarten because I have the test"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "results. Um, and then in heavily in"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "first grade and then from then on out"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "there was a lot just a lot of testing"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "all the time. Um,"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "and for the longest time I kind of"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "bought into the story of,"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "but I think this part is true. You know,"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "I do I I come from a very uh an educated"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "family with super intelligent minds."}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "That's true."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "Um, and I was very creative. That's"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "true. I'm still very creative. So, like"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "that's part of the story. That's like,"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "okay, I could see that you you might"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "want to put me in a program where I"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "would get more stimulation or something."}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "The other part of the story is they were"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "doing testing on us that was not about"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "that. Um, and that didn't seem to be for"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "our benefit and some of which had"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "deliberate, as far as I can tell,"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "deliberate memory removal. um in this"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "and this is common among people who will"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "talk about the gifted and talented"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "education programs and they have"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "different names taggate"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "there's one called MGM there's one"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "called leap there's one called search"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "there's one I mean there's one called"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "reach and there's so um and there's"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "other ones too but common among the"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "folks who had the experience of being"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "tested for things that didn't make sense"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "you know it wasn't an IQ test it was"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "something else um is this sort of memory"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "lapse thing where"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "even in the moment"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "I remember not remembering. So that's"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "the tricky thing. So there's a"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "difference between you know talking to"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "someone now and saying you know back"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:03", "text": "when I was in seventh grade a million"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "years ago I don't remember what I did."}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "Well, probably because you're 57 years"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "old, you know, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "but um"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:11", "text": ">> but in the moment."}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:15", "text": ">> But in the moment, so I would go to this"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:16", "text": "room about once every week or every"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "other week and I would meet with this"}, {"start": "00:18:16", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "counselor"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "and I think I know who the counselor"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "was, but sometimes there would be this"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "other person there, but I have no idea"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "what we would talk about because I"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "remember the steps going to the room. I"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "could retrace those almost to the point"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "where I know the colors of the bricks on"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "the wall to my left and the colors of"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "the lockers on my right. Um, but then I"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "get to the hallway that has the room. I"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "open the door. I remember that. And then"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "it's the first one on the right. So, I"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "remember that. It's a small room like"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "the size of a bathroom. It's very small."}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "And there's, you know, covering on the"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "window. Um, so no one can see in. Um, so"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "that's a little creepy, but whatever."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "Maybe in a counseling session makes"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "sense. I always remember dreading that"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "walk. As soon as I get in the room and I"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "close the door, I remember nothing."}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "Then I open the door and I leave and I'm"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "[clears throat] just confused and I go"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "back to class and I remember not"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "remembering."}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "So whatever happened in that room. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "So that was the the deepest part of this"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "kernel was the acknowledgement that that"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "wasn't about gifted and talented"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "education"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "there. I don't know if it was a drug, a"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "hypnosis."}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:33", "text": ">> Do you remember ingesting anything?"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": ">> There was a a pink drink that I have two"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "memories of. One memory is that I spit"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "it out because they told me it was"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "fluoride and it was chalky and kind of"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "viscous and I thought, \"This a isn't"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "fluoride and b you shouldn't swallow"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "fluoride, so why would you why would you"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "want me to swallow this?\""}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:53", "text": ">> Um and then there the other memories of"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "drinking it. Um,"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "but I actually had a dream last night"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "about this and"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "uh, so I'm still trying to figure so, so"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "I'm still trying to figure out what that"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "was. So, let me just make the context a"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "little bigger and then we'll come back"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "to the dream. So, the context includes"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "also just too much hearing testing. So,"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "I've always had very sensitive hearing."}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "By too much hearing testing, I mean it's"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "not like I grew up next to a shooting"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "range and they were concerned about my"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "hearing."}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "They were pulling me out to do these"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "hearing tests that weren't real hearing"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "tests. I ended up getting a, you know, a"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "PhD in in psycho acoustics and"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "communication sciences and disorders"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "specifically in sound and understanding"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "sound and the brain and the mind. And"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "I know what a hearing test is. These"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "were not that, right? This is not we're"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "going to raise the level of a sound."}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "We're going to lower it and we're going"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "to figure out where you can hear it. It"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "was here. Listen to this."}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "How do you feel? [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "That's not a hearing test."}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:05", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:07", "text": ">> Yeah. So, um"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "there was that. I do remember that. And"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "they were administered by these folks in"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:14", "text": "suits and they were always administered"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "in pairs. So like two students would be"}, {"start": "00:21:14", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "there called from the same sort of"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "cohort and they would administer these"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "tests. They were not from the school."}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "They would do it in the nursurse's"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "office. So I remember that. I remember"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "the teachers um"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "like I was I didn't have to go outside"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "to recess. I should have probably gone"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:35", "text": "outside to recess, but instead I was"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "given a chance to to do computer coding"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "when the first computers came out in the"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "late '7s. And uh so I learned how to"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "basic and and uh forran and stuff like"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "that. Um [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "that wasn't that that could have been"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "just enrichment,"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "but there was this feeling to it of"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "that there was a goal, but I didn't"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "understand what the goal was. So I just"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "just did it cuz it was more"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "entertaining. I was really bad at soccer"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "and all the kids used to play soccer."}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "And so um there was that. Feels like a"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "feels like a chapter out of Ender Game"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:13", "text": ">> a little bit. Like they they saw me and"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "they're like, \"Well, so I have the copy"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "of the test that I took in first grade"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "where they said across the board I was"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "operating at like 12.9 grade level,"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "which means, you know, you graduated"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "from high school.\" And they never"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "skipped a grade. Like I found that, you"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "know, just a few years ago. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "like, why didn't my parents ever skip me"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "a grade? I don't think they ever saw the"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "test."}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": ">> Um because every year I remember just"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "thinking, I learned the same thing. I'm"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "going to go insane. [laughter] And so"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "it's funny. I actively I remember in"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "third grade I was offered to skip ahead"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "and I was with my you know we lived on I"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "went to school on military bases my"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "entire life. And I remember um sitting"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "there with my mom and the teacher and"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "her explaining to my mom that I'm"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "incredibly bored here. And I I was like"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "I'd never vocalized that, you know, so I"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "don't know how she, you know, said that,"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "but um she was like, you know, he needs"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "to. And I remember my mom turning to me"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "and asking me, do you want to go ahead?"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "And I said, no, cuz I I I I feared the"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": "social consequences. Hey, just wanted to"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "take a quick second to say thank you so"}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "much for all the support uh that you've"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "given to Area 52. Um, whether that's"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "purchasing a ticket to the live shows,"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "whether that's liking this video,"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "commenting on another video, sharing it"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "with your friends, buying something from"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": "our shop, which by the way, we got a"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "sale going on. 25% off all hats if"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "you're interested. Um, but just a"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "generalized thank you. This is not a"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "sponsor. There is no sponsors for this"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "video, but I did want to take some time"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "to just thank you, the audience. Uh"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "truly truly truly grateful for all of"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "your support and I won't take up any"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "more of your time. Please enjoy the rest"}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "of the podcast."}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:57", "text": ">> Yeah. See, so I think they did it"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "differently with boys and girls. So"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "there were plenty of boys that were"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "skipped ahead in my school"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:03", "text": ">> and I was jealous. They never asked me"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "the question."}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:05", "text": ">> Weird."}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:06", "text": ">> I don't know if it's cuz they wanted to"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "study me for longer, which is what I"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "suspect,"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:12", "text": ">> or what. Um,"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:13", "text": ">> so my it turns out, so, so I'm starting"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "to get this information, but what really"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "makes me think that there's something"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "going on, and I'll get back to the weird"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "counseling sessions in a second. What"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "really makes me think that there's"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "something going on is I apply for a job"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "in the federal government that requires"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "a clearance. And they say, \"Send us um"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "all of your transcripts from your entire"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "schooling history.\" So, I take that very"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "literally and I go back to like first"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "grade, kindergarten, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "you know, the whole thing."}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:43", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": ">> And I write them a note. I say, \"I need"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "my transcripts.\" They're like, \"Okay.\""}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "So, they went back to like microfich and"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "they [laughter] get it and they, you"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "know, digitize it and send it to me. And"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "the comments area from first through 8th"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "grade, they're all redacted."}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "So, that's what made me So, I said, \"Uh,"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "sorry, I'm me.\" So, I think I get to see"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "these and they're like, \"Yeah, no, we"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "this is what we have.\" Like, we like"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": ">> they don't have the unredacted."}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:12", "text": ">> They don't have the unredacted version."}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:15", "text": ">> Luckily, my mom has at least the first"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:18", "text": "grade one. So, I was able to compare the"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:20", "text": "unredacted with the redacted. And I saw"}, {"start": "00:25:18", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "that what was redacted are all the notes"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "from all the teachers talking about me."}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:24", "text": ">> And what were those notes?"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:26", "text": ">> Just like Julia is an amazing"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "storyteller. She's reading at a high"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "level. Blah blah blah. I help she helps"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "the other students blah blah stuff like"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "that. How would that why would they"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "redact that?"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": ">> Because as you get older in the first"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "through 8th, this is all the same school"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "first through 8th grade. As you get"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "older, there's going to be notes about"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "we take her out for, you know, forrren"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "and basic training."}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:47", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:48", "text": ">> she goes, you know, to the office a lot."}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "We don't know why. She has lots of"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:51", "text": "stomach aches. We don't understand why."}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "She seems to have lots of ear"}, {"start": "00:25:51", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "infections. We don't understand why. You"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "know, she's now in the gifted program."}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "So there's no record of me being in the"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "gifted program on the transcript anymore"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:03", "text": ">> and a lot of unconsensual things I"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "suppose like that they didn't run by"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "your parents."}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:10", "text": ">> Yeah. So that's that's my thought."}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": ">> Sure. So that made me think, oh god. The"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "other thing that made me think there's"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "something going on is"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "the reason why I applied for this job in"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "the federal government is I had backing"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "up. I uh got a call from uh this"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "organization that I had applied to and"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "um they said, you know, you back in"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "January or February, you sent us a"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "resume. We think we'd like to talk with"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "you about a particular job. And I said,"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "'Oh, really interesting. That's cool."}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "But 4 days before that, I'd sent a foyer"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "request"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "about my Soore stuff to FOYA. I'd said,"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "I really want to understand this"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "program. This is the deal. Can you just"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "send me any information you have about"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "this and if there's any relationship"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "with I had targeted the Air Force"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "because I thought maybe there was a"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "relationship with the Air Force. I it's"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "called SOORE. I don't know. I And so"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "four days later, I get this, \"Oh, we"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "want to recruit you call.\" And so we"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "have a conversation. I This is"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "interesting. And then um so they say,"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "\"Okay, that you pass this interview, you"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "know, next thing is the cognitive"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "testing. We're going to do some"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "background research on you and then"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "you'll, you know, fast forward to the"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "cognitive testing if that works.\" And so"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "then I think it's like couple days"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "later, I get an email from the Foye"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "people saying, \"Would you like to drop"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "your request?\" Um because it might be"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "hard for us to find out this information"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "unless you exactly know what program it"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "was. Now the foyer just doesn't act that"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "quickly, right?"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:39", "text": ">> No. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:41", "text": ">> I mean,"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:41", "text": ">> no, no, no. That they're notoriously"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": ">> of, you know, they've got a backlog of"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:49", "text": ">> Correct. So then I go I start thinking,"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "okay, well obviously this seems like"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "there's some kind of a relationship. I"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "just see what happens if I say yes, I"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "want to drop it. I drop it. 3 minutes"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "later, I wrote it down in my journal. I"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "get a call. Oh, you've been passed the"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "cognitive testing for that job."}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:04", "text": ">> Whoa. So you think there's a direct"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "relationship there? direct correlation"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "between dropping the foyer request and"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "getting"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:10", "text": ">> past to the next step."}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:12", "text": ">> Getting past the next step"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:13", "text": ">> and the next step was of course more co"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "cognitive testing which is exactly what"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "I'm used to. I mean like"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:17", "text": ">> again and again and again."}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:18", "text": ">> So not a coincidence."}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:19", "text": ">> No. And that well I don't know it could"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "be a coincidence."}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:23", "text": ">> It just was very interesting"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "coincidence. Sure. So I started getting"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "like okay maybe there's something going"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "on and that's when I started working on"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "the book. So or that's when I then that"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "seed was planted. But I also called my"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "mom"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "uh because I was like, I wonder what she"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": "remembers."}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "And I just said, you know, mom, uh, what"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "do you think about that sore program I"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "was in? Done. That was the question."}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:49", "text": ">> She goes, well, they were studying you."}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "[laughter] And I'm like, did they tell"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "you that? She goes, no, but they had to"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "have been. She's like, you guys were"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "smart and you and your sister, and I'm"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "confident they were studying you. And"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "um,"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:01", "text": ">> but who's they? I said, \"Who's they?\""}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "And what are they studying?"}, {"start": "00:29:01", "end": "00:29:05", "text": ">> I said, \"Who's they?\" And she just goes,"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "\"CIA.\" And I'm like, \"Do you know that?\""}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "And she's like, \"No, but like that seems"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "like the right people, right?\" And"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "everyone thinks it's the CIA when"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "someone's doing something nefarious, but"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "maybe it is. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:20", "text": ">> So, back to going to that room."}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "This this experience, I finally decided"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "I would do some regression"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "with some memory regression. I went to a"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "UAP friend in the field. you know, who"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "do you know who's not going to plant"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "ideas in my mind as I do hypnotic"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "regression?"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:36", "text": ">> And they went and did some research and"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "they came back and they said, \"This"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "person, this is a great person.\" So, I"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "contacted that person."}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:46", "text": ">> Have I told you this story? No."}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": ">> Now, this is just so burned in my mind."}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "[sighs and gasps]"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "Um, I contact that person. I set up an"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "appointment. I'm scared, you know, and I"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:56", "text": "told my husband, \"I want you to be with"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "me when we're doing this.\" Like, this is"}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "scary to me, you know."}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh, but that's the day before and"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:02", "text": "I get a text from her and she says, \"Um,"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "I'm sorry. I have to cancel. I have"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "emergency dental surgery.\" And I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "\"Oh, oh, totally get it. You know, when"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "would you like to reschedule?\""}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "I can't reschedule. Anytime you'd like"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "to do a regression, I will have"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "emergency medical emergency dental"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "surgery."}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:20", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:22", "text": ">> What the"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:24", "text": ">> Yo, that's crazy."}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:26", "text": ">> I know. And I was like I looked at the"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "phone and I was like I showed my"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "husband. I'm like, \"What does this"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "mean?\" It's like, he's like,"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "either she was protecting me cuz she"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "could sense something or"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:37", "text": ">> she was being told"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:38", "text": ">> or she was being told. I mean, if you"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "want to be really paranoid and decide"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "that the government or whatever is that"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "efficient that that she would be told, I"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "would think it's be more likely to be"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "government contractors than the"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "government because I don't think the"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "government's"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:52", "text": ">> of course. Yeah. Government is a is a"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "term but not as an actual entity."}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, so either she was being told"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "or she sensed that it would be a bad"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "idea. So, ever since then, I haven't"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "done it. So, then I had this dream last"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "night."}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:05", "text": ">> Have I asked her about it?"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:07", "text": ">> You should ask her that question."}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:08", "text": ">> No, I don't even have her contact"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "information anymore. I don't even know"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "who she was. Like, it it was like it was"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "almost like a shock to my system. It's"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "like it"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:15", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:16", "text": ">> it's like removed my capacity to"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "function about that in that moment."}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:22", "text": ">> Does it cause you to be more curious now"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:22", "text": "or less curious?"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "I sort of after listening to what"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "happened to other people"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:31", "text": ">> through regressions"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:32", "text": ">> through regressions or even the people"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "who remember like Jordan Jose."}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:38", "text": ">> I sort of wonder if I want to know. I"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "sort of wonder if it would be more"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "traumatizing to know. And that's when I"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "land on the protective thing."}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:46", "text": ">> Right. So that's that's her having done"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "this before."}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:53", "text": ">> Yeah. and and clearly nonbeneficial"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:55", "text": ">> for the uh the people involved,"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:56", "text": ">> right? And so there's so there's a part"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "of me that says,"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": ">> \"Right, that makes sense.\""}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:01", "text": ">> Yeah, maybe it's protective to not look."}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "But then I had this dream,"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:05", "text": ">> but also okay, please please go on."}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": ">> So then I had this dream last night when"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "I was I knew I would be on the show and"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "though I'd probably talk about this and"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "I had this dream that that one of the"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "counselors, but this time it was a man."}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "Sometimes it would be a woman and a man"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "together, I think. And I think it was"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "her husband and I think it was the"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "counselor's husband who had literally"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:32", "text": "been a a boot camp u sergeant in the"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "army back where the sword program"}, {"start": "00:32:32", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "started which is um near the Savannah"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "River nuclear facility by the way."}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "Anyway, so"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "I um like near Augusta, Georgia. Um, I"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "had this dream that the the male"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "counselor was in my dream. I haven't"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "seen him in a million years, right?"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:54", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:56", "text": ">> Yeah. And he's wearing all black and"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "he's telling me"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "um he's a white guy wearing all black"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "and he's telling me this is it. You"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "know, you're going to um you're going to"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "do it this time. Like I think we've I"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "think we've got this. And I'm kind of"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "like on his team and I'm like, \"All"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "right, yeah, I think I can do this.\" you"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "know, like like like let's do it like"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "like there's some kind of challenge and"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "in the moment in the dream I don't know"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "what I don't have any history in my"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "mind, right? But I have some I"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "apparently have some kind of"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "subconscious history like I don't have"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "any memory of what we're doing in the"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "dream as that person in the dream but I"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "have some kind of subconscious memory or"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "body memory. And so I go, okay. And I go"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "up"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "sort of in my mind or maybe in my body,"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "both. I'm like fly essentially on"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "levitate to the top of this tower that"}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "looks like the Stanford bell tower and I"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "look around out of the holes um the"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "little port holes at the top of the"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "tower and then I burst through the"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "ceiling like and then that's when I"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "realize I'm not that's not my body, you"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "know?"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:01", "text": ">> Yeah. And I'm I realize, oh, I haven't"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "been able to do this and now I'm able to"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "do this. I've I've I've been stopping"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "I've been letting the ceiling stop me."}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "Like it's a belief thing. And I was it"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "was in a frame where we were very much"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "working together on this goal of getting"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "me to be able to just burst through this"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "and get away from the sort of rules of"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "the physicality of things and to ignore"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "that and to assume that I can go through"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "things and then therefore I could. Um,"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "and then I look down at him and I go,"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "\"Oh god, this guy's kind of an asshole.\""}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "Like I had this moment of I burst"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "through and then I'm like, \"Ah.\" And he"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "suckered me into this by making it seem"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "like this is the the amazing challenge"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "that I'm going to do and I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:46", "text": "feel great and everything, but I'm not"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "going to remember this. So, it's all for"}, {"start": "00:34:46", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "him. It's all for whatever he's doing."}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "That was my experience in the dream."}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:54", "text": ">> You were you uh your younger self"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "essentially?"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": ">> And so I mean that's"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:02", "text": ">> wild. That is wild."}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:04", "text": ">> It's a dream. But I often get really"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "useful information in my dreams."}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:08", "text": ">> But there's I mean the only the only"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "connecting point here is that you knew"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "you were going to do the show. You knew"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "you might talk about this and then it"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "like uh maybe yeah maybe it stimulated"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "something in your subconscious that came"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "forward. But you know just even dreaming"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "about this man who you haven't thought"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "about in years. I mean that is kind of"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "substantial there. And you mentioned"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "Jordan Jose, which also, you know, that"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "was kind of the goal from his"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "conversations and and what, you know,"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "hearing him and reading, you know, what"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "he put out as uh as Martin there that"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:39", "text": ">> was um was this kind of idea of like,"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "yeah, get get out of body."}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:42", "text": ">> And like build this construct or"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "whatever for them, right?"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:49", "text": ">> but I feel like that's"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "and I know that the Monroe Institute"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "does great things with with help with"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "helping people. It can be very healing,"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "but also I feel like there's this piece"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "where getting people to go out of their"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "body is very unsafe for them."}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:04", "text": ">> You feel that?"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:06", "text": ">> I I think not if it's not done well. It"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "can be very unsafe because if you're out"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "of your body, what can go into your"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "body? I mean, if consciousness can be"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "free from the body,"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:14", "text": ">> I mean, someone else's consciousness can"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "like, hey,"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:17", "text": ">> you know, you're a zombie right now"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "right in there."}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:20", "text": ">> Maybe. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:22", "text": ">> maybe. Maybe. I don't know. But if like"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "if if if"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "that's a real thing,"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "it just made me think we need to be"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "careful. I guess I was trained in remote"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "viewing by John Pavanco who I mean I"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "guess I was trained in remote viewing"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "first by John Pavanco, but I I guess"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "this is partly his influence because he"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "would say the safest place for you to"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "receive information is inside your body."}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "And remote viewing has a horrible name"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "because it shouldn't be remote and it"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "shouldn't necessarily be viewing. It"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "could be all the senses,"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:52", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:53", "text": ">> But in order to do that, you need to be"}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "inside your body."}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:56", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. People get that confused with"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "remote viewing. You're not actually"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "going anywhere. This isn't an out of-"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "body experience."}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Your body's like a sensor for the"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "information."}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:09", "text": ">> So, um that if that happened, if I was"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "encouraged to do these these things for"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "the benefit of someone else, um"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "it's sort of a bummer. partly because"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "like cool I could have done really"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "amazing things that I don't remember"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "that I did but it's also a bummer"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "because it was for the benefit of"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "someone else I didn't get to integrate"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:32", "text": ">> You know as as um"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "with my own directive and and ethics and"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "then I was also apparently in according"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "to that dream"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:39", "text": ">> you know if we're going to use dreams as"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "data encouraged to go out of my body."}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "The reason I feel comfortable using"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "dreams sometimes as data is because I"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "know my own dreams have been"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "highly evidential."}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": ">> In terms of precognition and so"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:55", "text": ">> well Dean Raiden has a you know talks"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "about that a lot as well or Dean Raiden"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "or sorry Rupert Sheldrickch"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:00", "text": ">> about uh dreams being precognitive as"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "well and encourages a lot of dream"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "journaling in that way and"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:03", "text": ">> not all of them. No, not all of them."}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": ">> And so with each dream it's sort of like"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "well maybe this is just my opinion. It"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "could be this psychological metaphor."}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:14", "text": ">> For how it felt, but it's still"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "describes how it might have felt."}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:17", "text": ">> Very relatable as well to the entire"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "topic."}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:21", "text": ">> Have you ever had uh out-of- body"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "experiences aside from that?"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:25", "text": ">> So, oh, see, and I don't even know if"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "that aside from that dream. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:28", "text": ">> So, I have multiple dreams like that"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "where I'm having an out-of- body"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "experience, but I don't um"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:34", "text": ">> never during a waking state."}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": ">> Not ever were during a waking state. And"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "almost like veheumly so. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:38", "text": ">> Almost like I've got that lockdown."}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:40", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:40", "text": ">> like that's not going to be happening."}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:41", "text": ">> I have."}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:41", "text": ">> You have?"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:42", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:46", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I have uh two years ago or"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "two years ago, I suppose it was two"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "years ago now. Um yeah, I had"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "involuntarily two nights in a row woke"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "up hovering over my body like woke up. I"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "was wide awake."}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:58", "text": ">> Were you at Monroe?"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:00", "text": ">> Nope. I was at home. I'd never heard"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "about this stuff before."}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:02", "text": ">> Oh, this is before you heard about any"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "of it?"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Maybe like"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:06", "text": ">> Can you tell me more about it? Like what"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "state you were in?"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:10", "text": ">> I was in I was in deep sleep and then"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "had a nightmare and then forced my eyes"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "open in the nightmare to like wake up"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "cuz I was I was conscious that it was a"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "nightmare. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:17", "text": ">> And I had to wake up. So I like forced"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "my eyes open and then I was in my room."}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:22", "text": ">> But everything was like I could see in"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "the dark because I guess my eyes were"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "used to it. So everything was like"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:30", "text": ">> out of focus. Like it felt grainy."}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:34", "text": ">> Yeah. um low saturation and um felt this"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "buzz, this incredible like deep like hum"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "like I was a tuning fork and someone"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "just slapped me like it was like like"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "this and I was like it was almost"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "euphoric like a nice feeling"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:46", "text": ">> and uh I I I just felt like I could will"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "myself up. I don't even know why I felt"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "that but I just felt I could just cuz"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "I've flown in dreams before and I felt"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "like I just this is the same feeling. I"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "can just will myself up and I did that."}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "scared me and I started paddling down."}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:40:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:40:03", "text": ">> Back to my bed and then sort of uh woke"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "up again, I guess. Uh and said, you"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "know, that was strange. It objectively"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "didn't feel like a lucid dream. Like I I"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "woke up from a lucid dream into that"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "whatever that state was,"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:11", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:13", "text": ">> And then I said, I want it to happen"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "again. So, and I'd taken melatonin that"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "night, which I don't usually take."}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:22", "text": ">> Um and the next night I was like, I want"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "it to happen again. And it did. And this"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "time I was like, I'm not going to be"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "afraid. And I remember willing myself"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "up. And this time turning around and"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "seeing myself laying there"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:34", "text": ">> and the fear like back."}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:35", "text": ">> Oh, it was I was scared the second I was"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "in that state."}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:40", "text": ">> It's like you're I always say it's like"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "like you're walking a tight rope of"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "fear. Like"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:45", "text": ">> instant manifestation will happen. It"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "feels like what I felt like anyways."}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:48", "text": "Like if I if I think about something"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "terrible like that will come upon me"}, {"start": "00:40:48", "end": "00:40:51", "text": ">> and or good. So I just didn't want to"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "think of anything. I'm like just keeping"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "one foot in front of the other type"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:56", "text": "deal."}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:57", "text": ">> And that happened. And uh and then I I"}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "remember swimming back to my body, going"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "lower than my body, feeling my body as I"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "falling through it."}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:03", "text": ">> Was your back facing your stomach or did"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "you have to turn around?"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:06", "text": ">> I had to turn around to see. And then I"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "I just kind of like went like this. I"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:09", "text": "went, \"Oh, no.\" And then I I was going"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "like this, paddling backwards to come"}, {"start": "00:41:09", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "back down."}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:15", "text": ">> Totally. And I went past my body. And I"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "I remember feeling like the"}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:20", "text": ">> like my body as I'm going through it and"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "like and I go past it and I was like,"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:21", "text": "\"No, no,"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:22", "text": ">> you're like out of register.\""}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:23", "text": ">> Yes. And I'm trying to like go back up"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "and I'm like, \"I didn't know you can go"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "down.\" Like that was very frightening to"}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "me."}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:32", "text": ">> Um and then so after that I I remembered"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "a conversation I had with Joe McMonagle,"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "Joseph McMongle. um during the time that"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "he was at Stargate that they had sent"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "him, you know, on weekend retreats to"}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "the Monroe Institute to see if he can"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "leave his body and to see if that would"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "be more conducive for a more accurate"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "remote viewing session. And so he would"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:51", "text": "do this over the weekends, right, from"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "Fort me and go there and and uh I"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "remember him telling me about this and"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "this is before I, you know, had an"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:42:00", "text": "experience and I I thought what like"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "what is this guy talking about? Like"}, {"start": "00:42:00", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "he's he's"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:03", "text": ">> how can you leave your body? That sounds"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "crazy."}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Like I was like, \"Okay, this"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "is weird.\" Like I I was buying"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "everything else until now and I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "\"This guy's a little weird.\""}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:13", "text": ">> Um maybe a dream he's having and he's"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "misinterpreting a dream or something,"}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:20", "text": ">> And so then I when I had this experience"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "immediately I go, that's what Joe was"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "talking about. Oh, do you want to turn"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "it down uh to you? I think you're here."}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "Does this make it better or worse?"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:30", "text": ">> That's better. No, I really want to hear"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "your words, but then I was"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:35", "text": ">> intense. So, um, so then I was like,"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "\"That's what he was talking about."}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:39", "text": "That's the out of- body state.\" I was"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "like, \"Oh my god.\" So, I start I I buy"}, {"start": "00:42:39", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "Robert Monroe's book. I read that read"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "through a few of his books, go online."}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "Everybody's having the same symptoms as"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "I had. And I was like, \"This is"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "objectively not a dream now. I I know"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "this.\" Because I didn't know anything"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "about this. It wasn't like it was my"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "subconscious being like, \"Hey, you know,"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "this is I I didn't know what an out of-"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "body was.\" And I had the same experience"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "these people are describing. And so"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "that's where I signed up for the Monroe"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "Institute. I documented my gateway"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "process. I made a little documentary"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "about that. And then every day when I"}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:15", "text": "came back from that, every day for like"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "three and a half months, I meditated for"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "an hour every morning at around 4:30,"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "like it was super early in the morning."}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:24", "text": "And then after about 3 months, I started"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "having regular out-of- body experiences."}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:26", "text": ">> And did you want that? I"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:28", "text": ">> I was trying to actively have it."}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:29", "text": ">> Okay. Um because I was like I want to"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "try"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:32", "text": ">> you wanted to face this fear and"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:34", "text": ">> yeah well I just want to know if this"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "was a thing you know because I I had it"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "happen to me and then it started"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "happening um where I would go into vivid"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "dreams or or or uh lucid dreaming and I"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "would roll out of a lucid dream out of"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "my body."}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:47", "text": ">> Um but again it's like happening in this"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "nebulous sort of time at night where I'm"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "like am I asleep? Is this a dream? Until"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "one morning at 5:30 in the morning sun's"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "blaring in my room. I have no curtains"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "in my room and I meditate for an hour"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "and I put the headphones down and as"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "soon as my head hit the pillow I felt"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "the thrumming the the the vibration. I"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "was like, \"Oh, it's happening. Oh my"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "god.\" And I just get up out of my body"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "and I was lucid the entire time. I"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "didn't fall asleep for a second."}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:10", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:13", "text": ">> And I get up and I walk around my room"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "and then I hear a female voice um which"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "scared me and so I look and I go right"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "back in my body. But that short 30"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "seconds happened during a lucive awake"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "state with the sun shining in my room"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "and I didn't fall asleep. So,"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:27", "text": ">> and that was the last time I was like,"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "\"All right, got my confirmation.\""}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": ">> How long ago was that?"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:34", "text": ">> It was uh it happened"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "I guess maybe not last year, the year"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:38", "text": "before. Yeah. Two years ago."}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:41", "text": ">> Do you think Okay, I don't know why I"}, {"start": "00:44:38", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "asked that, but do you think that um you"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:45", "text": "just wanted confirmation or do you think"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "you were practicing something? There's a"}, {"start": "00:44:45", "end": "00:44:49", "text": "part of me that thinks you I mean you"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "seem very familiar to me and there's a"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "part of me that thinks you were probably"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:53", "text": "in one of those programs kind of like I"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "was especially cuz your dad was in the"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "military. Um"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:44:57", "text": ">> I don't know. I don't"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:45:00", "text": ">> Do you have any memory of that?"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:02", "text": ">> I I remember mouthwash like that was a"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "regular thing like the the pink liquid"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "with the mouthwash."}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:06", "text": ">> But would you spit it out?"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:08", "text": ">> You would spit it out."}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:08", "text": ">> Yeah, that's fluid like liquidity. It"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "wasn't"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:13", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. It wasn't viscous. It"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "wasn't opaque. Um,"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "other than that, I it's hard to it's"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "hard to I don't remember anything"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "strange in in my childhood, but again, I"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "did, you know, I did like 10 schools"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "when I was a kid, so bumped around quite"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:25", "text": "a bit."}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:28", "text": ">> Uh, and my dad was uh enlisted. He"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "wasn't like an officer, so it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "like we were like Air Force or anything."}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "He was infantry."}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:37", "text": ">> Um, so yeah, don't remember anything"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:38", "text": "like that. Um, yeah. And and yeah,"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "adversary"}, {"start": "00:45:38", "end": "00:45:41", "text": ">> because you were so good. I mean just it"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "just happened spontaneously."}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:44", "text": ">> It happened spontaneously. I think it"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "was kind of a perfect storm when it"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "happened. But then when I tried it, it"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "took like three months and multiple"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "people I've talked to at a convention,"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:56", "text": "the same convention I met you at. Uh we"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "were I was with like three other people"}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "and we were having this discussion and I"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "told my story and all three of the other"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "people said for them it also happened at"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "about 3 three and a half months into"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "meditating every day."}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:08", "text": ">> So that seemed to be like the common"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "denominator between us four where it's"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "like oh okay it takes that much time to"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "achieve like this kundalini or this like"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:17", "text": ">> Um so it was really enlightening."}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:24", "text": ">> And for me I don't seek it anymore. Not"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "because I'm afraid of it. Um but there"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "was this there was this sentiment of"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "okay this seems to be like what happens"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "to you when you die."}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "This this seems to be the phenomenon"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "that people describe when they"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:37", "text": ">> which is why I think it might be a"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "little dangerous"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:43", "text": ">> perhaps. Um but I also felt like okay if"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "this is what happens to you when you die"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "and this might not be the afterlife. It"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "might just be transitional might be"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "something else."}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "What's the hurry?"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:52", "text": ">> Yeah. Right."}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:54", "text": ">> Exactly. Like people have the hardest"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "time staying in their bodies."}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:57", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:59", "text": ">> I was like I got it. But I'm like now"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "it's time to be in here. Yeah, that's"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "why I'm here."}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:02", "text": ">> Yeah, that's coming."}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:03", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly."}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:04", "text": ">> I guarantee you I'm going I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "have an out of body again."}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:08", "text": ">> I think that's really healthy. But I"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "also think Joe didn't feel like going"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "out of body helped him very much."}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:13", "text": ">> Uh what's your what's your memory of"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:18", "text": ">> Uh he did say that he he had one session"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "I spoke to Ed May about this as well,"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "Dr. Ed May. And um"}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:25", "text": ">> he said he had one session where there"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:28", "text": "was a you know, get out of your body, go"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "into the other. They started with the uh"}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "with the ping pong balls in the eye of"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "the Gansfield sort of uh effect to like"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "stimulate this uh out of body state and"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "then they said get out of your body walk"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "into the other room in the envelope"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "there's a picture go look at the picture"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "and tell me what's on the picture and he"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "did that but he couldn't he couldn't"}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "physically interact the envelope cuz he"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "was out of his body"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:48", "text": ">> and so he just tried to like project"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "where he would be where that photo was"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "taken and he drew and it was like a one"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "for one"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:53", "text": ">> to the photo"}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:55", "text": ">> but he was able to do that anyway"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "without going out of body so it's a"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "little tricky"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:58", "text": ">> yeah he really good at it."}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:47:59", "text": ">> You still is, I think. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:03", "text": ">> But anyways, I digress. I I didn't want"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "to make this about me."}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:08", "text": ">> No, but it is I mean this and I think"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "part of it is by like the reason I had"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "that dream was that it brings this up is"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "that there is this fear of you know"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "there's this idea of sovereignty. That's"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "one of the things we were talking about"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "at that conference. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:22", "text": ">> Contact in the desert in this panel. And"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "there's this idea of like, well, even if"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "there are an NHI, if there's aliens, how"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "can we be sovereign over our own minds?"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "I think that there's both a desire in"}, {"start": "00:48:34", "end": "00:48:39", "text": "the ego to be sovereign and an awareness"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "or a meta awareness in the rest of"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "ourselves that holy that's not a"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "real thing. [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:48", "text": ">> Like, where does your where where do"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "your ideas come from anyway? They don't"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "they don't come from your ego."}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:56", "text": ">> Your ego is just a claimer that claims"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "like look what I did. That's all"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:48:58", "text": ">> and nothing is invented."}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:48:59", "text": ">> No. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:00", "text": ">> Everything's discovered."}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:07", "text": ">> Even inside yourself. And so um the idea"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "of sovereignty"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "like there's a little concern in this"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "onlogical shock that the people who are"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "worried about onlogical shock that will"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "discover that you know aliens are doing"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "mind control. It's like kind of does it"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "matter whether it's aliens or your"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "subconscious? You still don't have any"}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "control over it."}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:24", "text": ">> Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You have the"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "illusion of control or what semblance of"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "control you're trying to hold on to."}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": ">> Yeah. And I think that that's part of"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "why I"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "that dream matters to me is because"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "that's all operating in me, too. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "I can say that intellectually, like, oh,"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "it's an illusion of control and stuff,"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "but like it pisses me off that perhaps"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "people had me do things that that were"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "really cool kind of in a certain way,"}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "like feats of interesting"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "of interesting important and nature,"}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:55", "text": ">> but that I don't get to know about them."}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:57", "text": ">> You're robbed of the experience"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:50:01", "text": ">> in a certain sense."}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, what do you make of that?"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "Because I'm I mean I'm curious to hear"}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:09", "text": "your thoughts as well about where"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "cuz you you touched on information there"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:13", "text": "for a second and in your book you speak"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:17", "text": "about this as well as like"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:19", "text": ">> you know information you know rides on"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "light to travel and that type of thing"}, {"start": "00:50:19", "end": "00:50:21", "text": "but"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:26", "text": ">> it doesn't have to. It doesn't have to,"}, {"start": "00:50:21", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "but it can. But it exists sort of um I"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "guess omnipresently um all around us and"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "we all have access to that in space and"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "time. And I do believe that as well. I"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "think that that's a sound assessment of"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "you know I always I always use the"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "example of if if this earth just"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:45", "text": "disappeared another one were to appear"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "like stories uh around you know"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "mythology or or religion would vary"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:53", "text": ">> but math would essentially be the same"}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:53", "text": ">> and so where's that right it's in it's"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "it's it's"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:58", "text": ">> how foundational is that it must be you"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "know before space and time yeah right"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "it's this idea of this"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:03", "text": "informationational substrate"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:05", "text": ">> if you want to think about it is"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "like like"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "like a bunch of ones and zeros that"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:14", "text": "don't that aren't being manifested on a"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "page or on a computer. They're just"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "presence absence"}, {"start": "00:51:17", "end": "00:51:23", "text": ">> one zero presence absence and"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:25", "text": "it's timeless. It's spaceless. But it"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "contains all the information in the"}, {"start": "00:51:25", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "universe from the beginning to the death"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "of the universe. And then what we"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:33", "text": "experience in terms of human experience"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "could be"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "what that grows up into. So this can you"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "know sparkling water and these"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "microphones and our headphones and our"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "bodies those are all the ones and zeros"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "growing up into that. So the"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "informationational substrate sort of"}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "from that arises our bodies and and the"}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "things that you know we have and that we"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "can see and feel and touch and taste and"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "hear. And so if that is the case then"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "what is the mind? Where does the mind"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "live? Is the mind in physicality? No."}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "You can't point to the mind. It has no"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "mass. It doesn't behave like a physical"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "thing. It's not in a place. It's not"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "really in a time. You can shift your"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "mind around all over in time. So the"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "psychological"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "sort of sense of time or the sense of"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "events in time doesn't live in the"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "physical world. That's the mind. And so"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "that mind really lives in this"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "information space. Mind really is almost"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "equivalent with this information space."}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "So should we be surprised when things"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "happen in your mind where you have an"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "intention or even subconsciously you"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "have an intention and something just"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "shows up, some miracle occurs or like in"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "your magic, right? Something just comes"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:50", "text": "together. Um should we be surprised?"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "Probably not,"}, {"start": "00:52:50", "end": "00:52:53", "text": ">> right? Because the mind is constantly"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "living in that impossibility."}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:55", "text": ">> It is of that."}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:52:57", "text": ">> It is of that information."}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:52:59", "text": ">> It's just kind of leaking into the"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "physical versus the opposite."}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:03", "text": ">> The opposite. Right. Exactly. The"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "physical the the brain is sort of this"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "byproduct of the mind. That's how it"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "shows up to us."}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:09", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:10", "text": ">> You know, in a in a bug, it shows up in"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "a different way."}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:13", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:17", "text": "also should we be surprised by"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "telepathy? Should we be surprised that"}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "um people like autistic non-speakers who"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:25", "text": "haven't been able to express themselves"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "through speech start to learn to access"}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "the information directly without having"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:32", "text": "to hear it from someone else? Right?"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:35", "text": "Should we be surprised by that? I think"}, {"start": "00:53:32", "end": "00:53:38", "text": "all these things are sort of"}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:40", "text": ">> going to be reframed in the next decade"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "where we're going to start recognizing"}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:44", "text": "because of this error where we decided"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "mind had to be physical. Sure."}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:50", "text": ">> Which is nuts. But anyway, I I bought"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "into it, too. So, I was nuts, too. But"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "because of this error, um we've we"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "become surprised by these things and say"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "they can't be true when in fact it's"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "like the essential nature of how"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "everything is working. So, I don't know"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "how we started talking about that."}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:07", "text": ">> I mean, I love it. [laughter] Whereas,"}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "um so I'm really interested in this"}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "because it begs so many questions, so"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "many new questions for me. Like is there"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "a positive goal or a necessary"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "throttling of"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "our access to the mind or to where the"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "mind is by our physical body? Like why"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "is that a necessity? It seems like"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:29", "text": ">> wait throttling"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:30", "text": ">> what does throttle mean in a car? Like"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "this is like"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:33", "text": ">> okay like dialing back the"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:34", "text": ">> probably like one of the two way you"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:35", "text": "have [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "and I feel embarrassed to ask."}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:39", "text": ">> I don't know much about cars and and uh"}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:42", "text": ">> but what does it mean? um just the"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "dialing back of access to um the the"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "substrate is clearly"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:51", "text": ">> um present like we're clearly"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:53", "text": ">> we're we're clearly being gatekept from"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:54", "text": "having access to a certain extent"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:56", "text": ">> and when you say clearly I want to"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "provide some evidence for that like so"}, {"start": "00:54:56", "end": "00:55:02", "text": "it's not just the opinion"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:05", "text": ">> I can't actively use my mind to uh peer"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "into the future and the past at will um"}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "you know well perhaps I can but I just"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "don't know how but it feels like if we"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "go if we look throughout history"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "humankind has not been able to do that"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "in a way that is uh repeatable or at all"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "like measurable. So there has to be a"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:25", "text": "benefit to us not being able to do that."}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "What is that benefit?"}, {"start": "00:55:25", "end": "00:55:29", "text": ">> Got it. Filter theory of consciousness,"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "right? There's this idea that the brain"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "actually acts as a filter and a reducing"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "valve is the original term. So that you"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "just get way less and then the"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "information's there because you can't"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "handle you can't handle the truth."}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:42", "text": "Exactly. So you get this picture of the"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "truth and then we develop all sorts of"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:46", "text": "theories based on this picture which is"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "wrong but nonetheless helpful."}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:50", "text": ">> So yeah um that's like Donald Hoffman"}, {"start": "00:55:48", "end": "00:55:55", "text": "type stuff, perceptual interface,"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "cognition or perception. Um so what"}, {"start": "00:55:55", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "benefit is there? Um, if you want to"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "make individual creatures, like if if if"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "the universe, I don't know, feels like"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "something else has to want this."}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "If if there are going to be individual"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "creatures that have different"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:14", "text": "dispositions"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "and solve things in different ways,"}, {"start": "00:56:14", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "which is actually very beneficial to a"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "species to have widely divergent minds"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:24", "text": ">> to data collection as well."}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:25", "text": ">> Yeah. and data collection. If you want"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "to see each individual as like an"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "observer who's going to just send it up"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:32", "text": "to the mother ship,"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:34", "text": ">> like if you want that, then you better"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "not know that you can just get all that"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "information all at once."}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:39", "text": ">> In one second, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:41", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:43", "text": ">> And that all the information can be"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "shared cuz why have more more than one"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "person? So this points to"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "a creator"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> to I mean if we're going to go down this"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:55", "text": "road I think it does because it's like"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "why else it's like this idea this sort"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "of a mystical idea of the creator wanted"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "to know you know its own creation"}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "and so the creator makes"}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:05", "text": ">> incarnates into"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:07", "text": ">> it incarnates into all these separate"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "beings and it wants to know its own"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "unity but the only way to really know"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:14", "text": "its own unity is by feeling separate"}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "truly feeling separate and not having"}, {"start": "00:57:14", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "access to the unity and then it can"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:22", "text": "learn the unity and that's much more"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:22", "text": "valuable than just knowing I'm one."}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:24", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:26", "text": ">> Because then you haven't really learned"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "it, right? So it's just it's a really"}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "beautiful story"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:31", "text": ">> it makes sense too."}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:33", "text": ">> It's a it's a story that makes sense."}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "It's very compelling, you know, and then"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "when when if you want to ask is it real?"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "Is it correct? Like can any story like"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "that be correct? I mean, can what does"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "it even mean to be correct when you're"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "talking about a mystical story? So, it's"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "sort of to me by default correct because"}, {"start": "00:57:47", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "it's so compelling and it and it helps"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:55", "text": "lead people at least it helps me go"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:56", "text": "towards the good,"}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:59", "text": ">> you know, it makes me feel like there's"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "a reason there's meaning. It helps my"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "relationship with God. So, I say it's"}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "correct because what is correctness when"}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "it, you know, it's untestable. So what"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "is correctness when it comes to these"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "deep mystical ideas? I think that what"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "correctness is is that which leads you"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:17", "text": "towards the good,"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:18", "text": ">> right? Just something that is just or or"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:19", "text": ">> or full of love."}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:23", "text": ">> But then you would, you know,"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "simultaneously need the other half to to"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:27", "text": "even to even experience love, right?"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:29", "text": ">> Which other half?"}, {"start": "00:58:27", "end": "00:58:32", "text": ">> I mean the the the the love,"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:35", "text": ">> not you. the well no the the part of the"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "universe that is uh that seems to be the"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "opposite of love you know you would need"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:42", "text": "that as well in contrast to to even"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "create it wouldn't you"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:46", "text": ">> yeah no so there's conditional love that"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "would be more like that contrasty thing"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "and there's unconditional or divine love"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "or universal love you don't need"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:57", "text": ">> there to be any other thing right it's"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "like this giant love bubble that encases"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "everything including the"}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "informationational substrate"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "And um there's no downside to that."}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:09", "text": ">> So that's"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "there's no shadow there. That's like so"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "that is truly foundational. So in so as"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "we're going down this rabbit hole in"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "this cosmology underneath the"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "informationational substrate is the one"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "true substance of which the universe is"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "created which is love."}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:25", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:28", "text": ">> Which is really that which connects."}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "And so ones and zeros can only exist."}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:32", "text": "duality"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:35", "text": ">> can only exist in a substrate of that"}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "which connects. You can only have this"}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "separation between a one and a zero if"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:42", "text": "you if you know that there's something"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "from which they both emerge. And and for"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "for you, you've seen that that in your"}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "studies that love is the"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:53", "text": "foundational substrate underneath"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "information below everything around"}, {"start": "00:59:53", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "everything that the glue that binds it"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "all. So not in my studies because that's"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "just I don't know how to test that"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:06", "text": ">> right yet and yet not yet but"}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "aesthetically it sounds right to me"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:08", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:10", "text": ">> and I think there should be a physics of"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:14", "text": "love to explore it but in my studies"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "what I can test is the idea of okay if"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "there's there is this you know"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "foundation of love and if people can"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "experience unconditional love I know"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "it's a peak experience it doesn't happen"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "all the time but if when people are"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "experiencing unconditional"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "If there's a kind of a sense I have that"}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "if you're experiencing unconditional"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "love, you're basically accessing this"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "foundational. You're aware that this"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "foundational piece exists. You're kind"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "of always accessing it because it's"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "foundational to everything, right? But"}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "you're aware of that access. And when"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "you're aware of that access, that can"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "allow you to access this"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "informationational substrate that's"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "growing out of the love."}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:56", "text": ">> So imagine the love are like the roots,"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "right? The love is like the root and"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "then the little bushes are the"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "informationational substrate, right? The"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "ones and zeros are like yellow bush,"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:08", "text": "green bush or whatever. And then the"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "fruit from that is space and time and"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:14", "text": "matter and energy. So the fruits that"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:16", "text": "grows on those trees. So if you can"}, {"start": "01:01:14", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "access, if you can be aware of your"}, {"start": "01:01:16", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "access of that unconditional love,"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "you're at the very base. So you have now"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:25", "text": "access to the whole system. So the idea"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:27", "text": "that I tested was if people are feeling"}, {"start": "01:01:25", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "unconditional love, are they better at"}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "accessing that information? Can they go"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "into theformational substrate and"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "predict predict the future for instance"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "which is in there as much as the past,"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:41", "text": "right? And so I tested that first um by"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "mistake by doing this other experiment."}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "Uh, and I but I just happened to notice"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:50", "text": "that the the folks who were rated"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "themselves as feeling a higher level of"}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "unconditional love, which was part of"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:55", "text": "the experiment for another reason, um,"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "were also significantly better at"}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "pre-cognitive remote viewing."}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:00", "text": ">> How significant?"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:02", "text": ">> Um, I forget what the p value was, but"}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "we only had 36 people, so it was"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:05", "text": "significant enough that with 36 people,"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "you saw it."}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:08", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:10", "text": ">> Then I did it with online. Um, that was"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:16", "text": "an in-person experiment. Then I did it"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "online with 305 people and um you could"}, {"start": "01:02:16", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "still see that difference. So in other"}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "words, people who didn't feel the high"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "levels of unconditional love were just"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "at chance. People who did were"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:28", "text": "significantly above chance and"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "significantly better than the people who"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:30", "text": "didn't feel that love."}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:32", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:34", "text": ">> So if you want to do pre-cognitive"}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "remote viewing, there's probably other"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:39", "text": "things that can help. binaural beats"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:41", "text": "maybe even um you know need I think need"}, {"start": "01:02:39", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "is really important belief is really"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "important personality type is really"}, {"start": "01:02:43", "end": "01:02:48", "text": "important your nature but also being in"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "a state of unconditional love seems like"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "it could help and maybe that's because"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "of this access to these roots of the of"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "the trees"}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:58", "text": ">> right like you're going you're closer to"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:00", "text": "the source"}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:03:02", "text": ">> yeah it's like you're more it's like"}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "you're speaking the language of the"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "trees of of the roots of the trees right"}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "you're speaking that language when"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "you're feeling unconditional love. And"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "so it's like you're in, you're allowed"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:11", "text": "in."}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:15", "text": ">> That's interesting because it does also"}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "relate to a lot of the uh alien"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "encounter stuff. I mean, we talk whether"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:19", "text": "it's you're talking about like the the"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "sort of"}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:26", "text": ">> blonde, you know, blue-eyed, blar,"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "Nordic, you know, benevolent sort of uh"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "people that George Damsky spoke about"}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:32", "text": "and all these other people or whether"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:34", "text": "you're talking about a lot a lot of"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:37", "text": "cases as well is even whether they're"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "these insect mantis looking creatures or"}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:42", "text": "whether it's the grays or whatever, but"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "they always feel flooded with this sense"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "of a familiarity, but then this sense of"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "love and and compassion like they mean"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:50", "text": "you no harm and they feel the sense of"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "calming. And so do you think like"}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "hypothetically like that's what they're"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "also using to communicate is they just"}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "have access to that substrate and for"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:02", "text": "them to communicate it's just like a"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "natural more"}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:05", "text": ">> that's a really I love that"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "interpretation. So it wasn't it wasn't"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:08", "text": "Jacob what's his name who was on"}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "Skywatcher didn't he like"}, {"start": "01:04:08", "end": "01:04:11", "text": ">> uh Jake Barber"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:13", "text": ">> Jake Barber didn't he just sobb with a"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "feeling being overwhelmed with"}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "unconditional love when he was picking"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:19", "text": "up that one egg? No, it wasn't it wasn't"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:21", "text": "the egg. Um, it was the eightgon this"}, {"start": "01:04:19", "end": "01:04:23", "text": "octagonal sort of craft that he felt"}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "when he was piloting"}, {"start": "01:04:23", "end": "01:04:26", "text": ">> that it was like Yeah. this overwhelming"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "sense of feminine energy"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:29", "text": ">> that's very sacred feminine the the"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "octagon. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:33", "text": ">> Wow. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:33", "text": ">> And the egg is also very feminine."}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:35", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:36", "text": ">> I mean, obviously I I've always found"}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "that to be really interesting as well"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:41", "text": "that if you're dealing with some type of"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:43", "text": "uh and you know, not to get too much"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:44", "text": "into like the Jacqu Valet stuff, but"}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "like if you're dealing with some type of"}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "control system that is toying with you"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:50", "text": "or that is like, you know, controlling"}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "everything. If you were this big"}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:55", "text": "masculine energy shooting guns and"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "blowing up in the desert at a"}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:05:01", "text": "range, you know, for these nefarious,"}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:03", "text": "you know, contractors or whatever, like"}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "and you were trying to like beam"}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "something down and get, you know, your"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:10", "text": "psionic assets and microwave cannons and"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:12", "text": ">> and what would you get, right? What"}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "would you get? Well, you'd get an inert"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:15", "text": "feminine egg."}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:17", "text": ">> That's what you'd get, right? Like good"}, {"start": "01:05:15", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "luck. And there's nothing in it. to me."}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:20", "text": ">> It's inert and it just plopped in the"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:24", "text": "sand."}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I I um"}, {"start": "01:05:24", "end": "01:05:28", "text": "I think that"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "many times this goes back to the"}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "sovereignty thing. Many times people"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:34", "text": "I've talked to who are in that"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "community, the shooting things in the"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "desert community who are really good"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "guys, they're scared of not being in"}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:45", "text": "control. And so the their response to"}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:47", "text": "Jacob Barber's experience is he was"}, {"start": "01:05:45", "end": "01:05:49", "text": "being mind controlled"}, {"start": "01:05:47", "end": "01:05:51", "text": ">> like that was that's the way they get in"}, {"start": "01:05:49", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "is through making you feel love. They're"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:56", "text": "controlling your mind, right?"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:58", "text": ">> As opposed to which could be true, but"}, {"start": "01:05:56", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "also I kind of think it's just fear of"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:02", "text": "of the of being out of control and and"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "the sacred feminine. I think that"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:08", "text": "there's also your interpretation which"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "is if you actually are a sophisticated"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "enough culture, you're not interested in"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "war. Like war is so primitive. It's just"}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "not interesting. You're aware that we're"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:20", "text": "all interdependent. You're aware that"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "consciousness is everywhere. You're"}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:23", "text": "aware that there's this"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "informationational substrate and that"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "love underlies it in this world picture."}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "And so you're just giving people a"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "taste. You're just trying to give people"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "a taste,"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:38", "text": ">> a nudge in the right direction"}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:41", "text": ">> just like folks like this is the key. So"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "I do think of it as a medium. I I talked"}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "about this in my I wrote an article on"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:47", "text": "medium called um how to avoid the time"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:49", "text": "wars. It's about different kinds of time"}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:51", "text": "travel and about you know the"}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "possibility for time wars and the and"}, {"start": "01:06:51", "end": "01:06:55", "text": "the way that we have to relate to oursel"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:56", "text": "our future selves. We assume for"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:06:59", "text": "instance that there's at least"}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:01", "text": "anformational time travel machine where"}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:04", "text": "you could send information back in time."}, {"start": "01:07:01", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "So let's assume that. So in order to"}, {"start": "01:07:04", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "relate to our future selves who are"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:10", "text": "sending us messages,"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:13", "text": "the we don't trust ourselves right now."}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "We we wouldn't trust ourselves to send"}, {"start": "01:07:13", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "us messages. And if we got the message"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "and it was really clear, we'd be like,"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:20", "text": "\"Well, this is Someone's"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "trying to pull one over on You know, and"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "so the only way to really move forward"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "and avoid those kind of time wars across"}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "time is to move into unconditional love"}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "and use it as a medium to send these"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "messages to use those roots as a medium"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:37", "text": "to send that information."}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:38", "text": ">> And so that's that like dominating"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "principle. I hate to use the word"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "domination in this context, but in any"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:44", "text": "case, primary principle in um my"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "startup. Can I tell you about my"}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "startup? Yes, please."}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:49", "text": ">> Okay. So there's different kinds of time"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:51", "text": "travel. mental time travel,"}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:53", "text": "informationational time travel, physical"}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:55", "text": "time travel, right? And when I say these"}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:56", "text": "with such confidence, it's just because"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "I made them up. So, I'm really confident"}, {"start": "01:07:56", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "that I made them up. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:02", "text": ">> Okay? Information mental time travel is"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:04", "text": "like precognition."}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:05", "text": ">> You're and it's also like memory, but we"}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:07", "text": "don't think of memory as time travel"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:08", "text": "because it's in the normal direction,"}, {"start": "01:08:07", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "right? We're used to being able to know"}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "about the past even though we don't"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "really know about the past, but we're"}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "used to thinking we do. Um, but"}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:17", "text": "precognition is like mental time travel,"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "knowing something about the future that"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:22", "text": "you can't know through other means. Um,"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "there's informationational time travel,"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:26", "text": "which is just getting information sent"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "back to you in time,"}, {"start": "01:08:26", "end": "01:08:30", "text": ">> uh, without using pre-cognition. So,"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:32", "text": "like potentially using a device like if"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:34", "text": "we could reconfigure this this"}, {"start": "01:08:32", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "soundboard to give us informationational"}, {"start": "01:08:34", "end": "01:08:37", "text": "time travel, it would tell us about the"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "sounds in the future by sliding up and"}, {"start": "01:08:37", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "down according to what would happen in"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "the future. Yeah, that would be"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "informationational time travel. And then"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "physical time travel is what, you know,"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "all the sci-fi stuff is about, like you"}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:50", "text": "actually send a chicken back in time and"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:52", "text": "then a person. And um I do wonder a lot"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "about once you develop"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "informationational time travel, why you"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "would want to develop physical time"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "travel? Because with physical time"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "travel, if your goal is to send a"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:03", "text": "message back in time or to go to the"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:04", "text": "future and and get"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:06", "text": ">> change the past"}, {"start": "01:09:04", "end": "01:09:07", "text": ">> or change the past, it's all"}, {"start": "01:09:06", "end": "01:09:08", "text": "informationational, right? You could do"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:10", "text": "that if you understand the"}, {"start": "01:09:08", "end": "01:09:11", "text": "informationational substrate. I don't"}, {"start": "01:09:10", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "see why you'd want to go up to the"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "physical level."}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:16", "text": ">> Yeah. Other than tourism."}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:18", "text": ">> Other than tourism. But even that you"}, {"start": "01:09:16", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "can just insert in someone's mind a"}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "memory of having done that."}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Or VR."}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:24", "text": ">> Yeah. And that speaks to alien"}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "visitations where people just have these"}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:27", "text": "things potentially inserted into their"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "mind that didn't actually physically"}, {"start": "01:09:27", "end": "01:09:31", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:32", "text": ">> But they're insertions because if you"}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:33", "text": "understand theformational substrate, you"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "can do those insertions,"}, {"start": "01:09:33", "end": "01:09:35", "text": ">> right? Like downloads."}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Or uploads in a Yeah. So anyway,"}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "so sorry to dis physical time travel,"}, {"start": "01:09:41", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "but I do think there's this problem of"}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:46", "text": "being able to keep your memory with you"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:49", "text": "as you do physical time travel. I I"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:51", "text": "think that if you were able to do that,"}, {"start": "01:09:49", "end": "01:09:53", "text": "there's a memory issue there."}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:57", "text": ">> So in any case, maybe I'm wrong. Who"}, {"start": "01:09:53", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "knows? Um I about 12 years ago, I got"}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "inspired. I'm a neuroscientist, right?"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "Not trained in physics. My dad's a"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "theoretical physicist, but I kind of"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "ignore that. I'm an empiricist. I like"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "to do experiments and build things and"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "um so I got inspired to do this"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "experiment that I couldn't let go of and"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "I finally was able to do it and I did it"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "and it showed what I suspected which is"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:27", "text": "that photons at room temperature"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "play the same games together. It's like"}, {"start": "01:10:27", "end": "01:10:31", "text": "they're friends."}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "And let me unpack that for a second cuz"}, {"start": "01:10:31", "end": "01:10:37", "text": "you look blank. No, I'm I'm waiting to"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "see what the friends do. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:44", "text": ">> The friends play together who stay"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "together. So, if you turn on a"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "flashlight and you turn it off 5 minutes"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:52", "text": "later, those friends are the ones that"}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "were emitted from that flashlight during"}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:10:57", "text": "that period of time."}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "And they start to behave as if the"}, {"start": "01:10:57", "end": "01:11:01", "text": "system knows it's going to be on for 5"}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "minutes."}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "So it's like for the photons,"}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:09", "text": "they know that they're in this group."}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:11", "text": "It's called boundary conditions in"}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:12", "text": "physics. The boundary condition of the"}, {"start": "01:11:11", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "on and the boundary condition of the off"}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "and the future are both"}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:19", "text": "um shaping this group's behavior."}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:20", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"start": "01:11:19", "end": "01:11:22", "text": ">> And so it's like they ignore the fact"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "that one of those is in the future,"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:24", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:25", "text": ">> And they ignore the fact that I'm a"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "different photon than you are. we're all"}, {"start": "01:11:25", "end": "01:11:28", "text": "just going to act like we're part of"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:30", "text": "this big same group cuz we're in this"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:32", "text": "group that at the macro level is called"}, {"start": "01:11:30", "end": "01:11:32", "text": "what happened in that 5 minutes."}, {"start": "01:11:32", "end": "01:11:34", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:11:32", "end": "01:11:35", "text": ">> Right? So it's like this is looking at"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "the building blocks from the"}, {"start": "01:11:35", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "informationational substrate that has"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "the on and the off time to how it ends"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "up manifesting which is this behavior of"}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:43", "text": "this group of photons in the physical"}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "world."}, {"start": "01:11:43", "end": "01:11:46", "text": ">> It's already aware of the substrates uh"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:47", "text": "intention."}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:51", "text": ">> That's all that's what it does, right?"}, {"start": "01:11:47", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "Yeah. And so you can then look at the"}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:59", "text": "first minute of this 5 minutes and know"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "that at a relatively high accuracy rate"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:04", "text": "that it's going to be on for 5 minutes"}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "even if the person who's holding the"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:08", "text": "flashlight doesn't know that in 5"}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "minutes they're going to turn it off."}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:10", "text": ">> H"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:12", "text": ">> because it behaves differently than"}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "something that's going to be turned off"}, {"start": "01:12:12", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "in two minutes."}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:16", "text": ">> That's so interesting."}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:12:16", "end": "01:12:19", "text": "So"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "that's my startup is we're creating"}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "technology that can then look at that"}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "first chunk of time to predict the"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:29", "text": "future."}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "Period. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:31", "text": ">> That's really interesting."}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:12:31", "end": "01:12:36", "text": ">> Um photons are interesting, aren't they?"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:37", "text": ">> Photons are super interesting. They're"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "not really physical."}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:43", "text": ">> Yeah. They're almost Fineman, Richard"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:44", "text": "Feineman, the physicist, used to call um"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "used to think there was only one"}, {"start": "01:12:44", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "electron in the universe."}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:52", "text": ">> I think that that photons are kind of"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "like that. They're like a story and you"}, {"start": "01:12:52", "end": "01:12:55", "text": "pull them out when you need them. Like"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "when an electron needs to"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:12:58", "text": ">> you pull them through spaceime."}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:12:59", "text": ">> Yeah. You pull Yeah. They show up."}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:02", "text": ">> You pluck them."}, {"start": "01:12:59", "end": "01:13:04", "text": ">> You pluck them when you need them. Like"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "to balance a chemical equation."}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:06", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:11", "text": ">> Whoa. So I think they're very related to"}, {"start": "01:13:08", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "mind. Like I think they're in that one"}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:14", "text": "zero space almost more than the physical"}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "space."}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:18", "text": ">> And I think maybe that's true of all"}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "bosonic particles. Photons are bosonic"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:24", "text": "particles which are which are very uh"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:25", "text": "I'm sorry I'm getting really nerdy. We"}, {"start": "01:13:24", "end": "01:13:26", "text": "can go. Is that okay?"}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:27", "text": ">> Yeah. Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:28", "text": ">> So there's fair"}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:30", "text": ">> learning so much right now."}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:33", "text": ">> Okay. Enriomy. So there's pheromionic"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "particles that behave like electrons. um"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "neutrons, um protons for the most part"}, {"start": "01:13:36", "end": "01:13:41", "text": "are framionic. They're behaving like"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "almost like things that we expect are"}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:43", "text": "physical. You can't have two of them in"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "the same place at the same time. That's"}, {"start": "01:13:43", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "ridiculous. Bonic particles are like,"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "haha, we're very different. They they um"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:55", "text": "like the Higs Bzon is a bonic particle"}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:58", "text": "for instance. So, or photons um they can"}, {"start": "01:13:55", "end": "01:13:59", "text": "stay in the same place at the same time"}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:01", "text": "that you can get an infinite number of"}, {"start": "01:13:59", "end": "01:14:02", "text": "them in the same place at the same time."}, {"start": "01:14:01", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "Not a problem."}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:09", "text": "Also, their identity does not depend on"}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "the location or the time in which they"}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:14", "text": "exist. So, a photon that's coming here"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:17", "text": "from your lights above us,"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:19", "text": "at least probably a million of them, are"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:23", "text": "exactly the same photons that occurred"}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:24", "text": "back in 1723 when, you know, some"}, {"start": "01:14:23", "end": "01:14:25", "text": "historical thing was happening that I"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:26", "text": "would know if I was a historian."}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:29", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:31", "text": "they're playing a different game."}, {"start": "01:14:29", "end": "01:14:33", "text": "They're not playing this like march"}, {"start": "01:14:31", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "through time in a linear way game at"}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "all."}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:39", "text": ">> So, but why not use that?"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:41", "text": ">> Interesting to think as well that even"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "through, you know, religious text, they"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "were, you know, if even if you look at"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:46", "text": "like some of the Renaissance paintings"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:50", "text": "of uh God or Jesus or the angels, the"}, {"start": "01:14:46", "end": "01:14:52", "text": "light is always emanating from the"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:53", "text": "source, God or like, you know, it's"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:54", "text": "always the light."}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:14:56", "text": ">> You always have to look at where the"}, {"start": "01:14:54", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "light is. in the absence of light will"}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:00", "text": "also detect like the uh the people who"}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "are not enlightened, the people who are"}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:04", "text": "you know trying to persecute Christ or"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:05", "text": "whatever like this is like in these"}, {"start": "01:15:04", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "paintings there's this really vivid"}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "interesting history of light acting as"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:14", "text": "like the you know as God. Yes."}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:17", "text": ">> And so to to to also have that be the"}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "case in physics you know after"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:21", "text": ">> Uh is really interesting to be like no"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "you guys were on to something with those"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "paintings."}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:25", "text": ">> Yeah. No, we're always coming up. You"}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "know, you know this idea of the Soran"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "hypothesis where there's been another a"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:34", "text": "completely it's like from Star Trek. Um"}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "it was another completely technological"}, {"start": "01:15:34", "end": "01:15:36", "text": "um civilization."}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:39", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:40", "text": ">> That got as ramped up as we did and then"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:42", "text": "destroyed themselves maybe through"}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:44", "text": "global warming. Who knows, right?"}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:46", "text": "Through something. Through something."}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "and we can't find the remnants because"}, {"start": "01:15:46", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "actually it's really hard to find"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "remnants of of civilization because"}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "nature just does away with them really"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "quickly. So, one thing I keep thinking"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:58", "text": "about is the story that we have is like"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:00", "text": "it's just been progress and progress and"}, {"start": "01:15:58", "end": "01:16:03", "text": "progress, but and and when we think of"}, {"start": "01:16:00", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "um like native indigenous communities,"}, {"start": "01:16:03", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "we often think of them as like well, you"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "know, we've progressed past that level,"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "like that's more primitive. But I keep"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:15", "text": "thinking, what if this hypothesis is"}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "true? There is this civilization,"}, {"start": "01:16:15", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "you know, millions of years ago that"}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "died out. We have no record of them. And"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "but what we do have is a record of those"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:30", "text": "insights of the mystical insights that"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "came from the degradation. In other"}, {"start": "01:16:30", "end": "01:16:35", "text": "words, maybe a few people survived and"}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:39", "text": "maybe those people are the indigenous"}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:41", "text": "people who carry some of these mystical"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:44", "text": "insights and then have turned those into"}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:47", "text": "these world religions."}, {"start": "01:16:44", "end": "01:16:49", "text": "Maybe we that is the future instead of"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:52", "text": "the past. And that is what progress"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "looks like when we begin to understand."}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:56", "text": "Of course, science comes up with this"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:57", "text": "same thing because it came from science"}, {"start": "01:16:56", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "millions of years ago. Technological"}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:03", "text": "society that discovered this, got to"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:05", "text": "this level, something happened and it"}, {"start": "01:17:03", "end": "01:17:07", "text": "starts to grow up again, right?"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:07", "text": ">> It's like it's the truth."}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:10", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:11", "text": ">> Emerging its head in in an infinite"}, {"start": "01:17:10", "end": "01:17:13", "text": "number of ways."}, {"start": "01:17:11", "end": "01:17:16", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. No, that that does seem to"}, {"start": "01:17:13", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "be the case. And also even just a"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "natural swing of the pendulum as well"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "like where you know we were once"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:24", "text": "entangled with spirituality or what have"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "you or religion and science was all sort"}, {"start": "01:17:24", "end": "01:17:29", "text": "of one and then after you know the age"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "of enlightenment we kind of started"}, {"start": "01:17:29", "end": "01:17:33", "text": "separating from that and then the"}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:35", "text": "pendulum now you know swung as far as it"}, {"start": "01:17:33", "end": "01:17:37", "text": "could on this side where we're like hey"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:40", "text": "we're away from all that religious"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "nonsense and it's all science now and"}, {"start": "01:17:40", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "well we're discovering we can't build a"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:47", "text": "microscope that looks, you know, we keep"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "finding smaller things like it just"}, {"start": "01:17:47", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "never ends, right?"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:52", "text": ">> And so now we have to ask like, oh, is"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:53", "text": "this the microscope? Is this like the"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "instrument that we now we're coming back"}, {"start": "01:17:53", "end": "01:17:56", "text": "to that swing"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:58", "text": ">> that same mystical stance"}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:18:00", "text": ">> if you if you were to send uh this is a"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:03", "text": "question I've wanted to ask and that I"}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:05", "text": "do ask um uh people who who know a"}, {"start": "01:18:03", "end": "01:18:08", "text": "little bit about the stuff but like do"}, {"start": "01:18:05", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "you think it would be possible if"}, {"start": "01:18:08", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "you know cuz these these photons or"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:13", "text": "whatever they can be entangled through"}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "time and and and space and there's no"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "real limitation there. So, if I were to"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:21", "text": "want to send information back, could I"}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:24", "text": "not simply, you know, entangle some of"}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "these or use the entangled photons um"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:27", "text": "and sort of have them in an onoff"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:28", "text": "position?"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:30", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:33", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:18:30", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "suspended in this location or whatever,"}, {"start": "01:18:33", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "and then if you come to that same"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:38", "text": "location in 40 years, could you not just"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:39", "text": "like pull that information"}, {"start": "01:18:38", "end": "01:18:40", "text": ">> and and communicate?"}, {"start": "01:18:39", "end": "01:18:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:43", "text": ">> Through time, would that not be"}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:45", "text": "possible? I mean there's something"}, {"start": "01:18:43", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "called the no signaling theorem in"}, {"start": "01:18:45", "end": "01:18:49", "text": "physics that says that you can't use"}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:50", "text": "entanglement to send information to do"}, {"start": "01:18:49", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "what you just said."}, {"start": "01:18:50", "end": "01:18:53", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:55", "text": ">> Okay. But the there's a lot of"}, {"start": "01:18:53", "end": "01:18:59", "text": "challenges to that hypothesis."}, {"start": "01:18:55", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "So and part of me when you when when you"}, {"start": "01:18:59", "end": "01:19:04", "text": "go back to the literature on that"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:07", "text": "hypothesis part of it was motivated by"}, {"start": "01:19:04", "end": "01:19:10", "text": "the statement we don't see telepathy"}, {"start": "01:19:07", "end": "01:19:13", "text": ">> in nature. Therefore you can't signal a"}, {"start": "01:19:10", "end": "01:19:15", "text": "non-starter. Yes. And so if you trace"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:19", "text": "back those ideas, there's a lot of"}, {"start": "01:19:15", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "motivation to to build to build up that"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:26", "text": "theory or that theorem. Um, and I always"}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "doubt when their motivation is like,"}, {"start": "01:19:26", "end": "01:19:28", "text": "well, we don't see this in nature. Well,"}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:29", "text": "you know what? We do."}, {"start": "01:19:28", "end": "01:19:30", "text": ">> Yeah, we do."}, {"start": "01:19:29", "end": "01:19:34", "text": ">> There's people who are really gifted at"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "telepathy. And um, so how are they doing"}, {"start": "01:19:34", "end": "01:19:37", "text": "it? Well, entanglement seems like a"}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "really good explanation. Doesn't mean it"}, {"start": "01:19:37", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "is the explanation."}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:42", "text": ">> Sure. But"}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:44", "text": ">> and ones and zeros seems like a really"}, {"start": "01:19:42", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "uh seems like a great way to send"}, {"start": "01:19:44", "end": "01:19:46", "text": "information as well. Like"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:48", "text": ">> Exactly. And I don't know that you need"}, {"start": "01:19:46", "end": "01:19:50", "text": "entanglement at the physical level for"}, {"start": "01:19:48", "end": "01:19:52", "text": "that. If you're working at the mind"}, {"start": "01:19:50", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "level, that could explain it even a"}, {"start": "01:19:52", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "deeper way. So, it's just that there's"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "the world is opening up now as people"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "are starting to recognize just as you"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:05", "text": "said that we're coming across these"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:07", "text": "discoveries by necessity"}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:10", "text": "because we're finding things that we can"}, {"start": "01:20:07", "end": "01:20:12", "text": "do that shouldn't work but they work,"}, {"start": "01:20:10", "end": "01:20:14", "text": ">> right? Yeah. That's why I'm so into"}, {"start": "01:20:12", "end": "01:20:16", "text": "building stuff is like"}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:18", "text": ">> I've had people read in the especially"}, {"start": "01:20:16", "end": "01:20:21", "text": "physicists just red in the face when I"}, {"start": "01:20:18", "end": "01:20:23", "text": "talk about just just like yelling at me."}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:25", "text": "Do you not understand the second law of"}, {"start": "01:20:23", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "thermodynamics?"}, {"start": "01:20:25", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "And it's just um"}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:32", "text": "there there's a feeling among some"}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "physicists that there are science cops"}, {"start": "01:20:32", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "like we're going to tell you that this"}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:37", "text": "that look there's a law can't happen. No"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "signaling theorem or this or that or the"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:43", "text": "other thing and it's that's not where"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:45", "text": "we're at now. We're past that. We're"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "moving towards what can we build that we"}, {"start": "01:20:45", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "didn't think we could build because the"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "science cop said we shouldn't be able"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:53", "text": "to. So, I think this might be a little"}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:55", "text": "bit of my brushing up against my"}, {"start": "01:20:53", "end": "01:20:57", "text": "theoretical physicist dad"}, {"start": "01:20:55", "end": "01:20:59", "text": ">> who would say things like, \"Well, you"}, {"start": "01:20:57", "end": "01:21:00", "text": "can't do that.\" You know, like there was"}, {"start": "01:20:59", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "ball lightning in our house and he would"}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:03", "text": "say, \"Well, that's impossible, so that"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:05", "text": "didn't happen.\" It's like, \"Well, it did"}, {"start": "01:21:03", "end": "01:21:06", "text": "happen.\" [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:08", "text": ">> So, how did it happen?"}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:10", "text": ">> Wow. Yeah. So, that's that's the dogma"}, {"start": "01:21:08", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "of scientism. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:21:10", "end": "01:21:15", "text": ">> Of this this idea of of uh there are"}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "certain things you just can't challenge."}, {"start": "01:21:15", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "And that's something that you've brushed"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:20", "text": "up against as well with a lot of your"}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:21", "text": "pre-cognitive studies, I take it as"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:24", "text": "well, where"}, {"start": "01:21:21", "end": "01:21:27", "text": ">> the you know the variance or or or what"}, {"start": "01:21:24", "end": "01:21:29", "text": "you found to be precognitive happened in"}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "such a small time frame that they feel"}, {"start": "01:21:29", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "it negligible."}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:36", "text": ">> Um they think it's instrumental error or"}, {"start": "01:21:34", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "you know they just kind of brush it off"}, {"start": "01:21:36", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "because there's no way that that is"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "allowed"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:44", "text": ">> to be true."}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:46", "text": ">> Well, yeah. And when you find it on the"}, {"start": "01:21:44", "end": "01:21:48", "text": "seconds or minutes time scale or with"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "remote viewing, precognitive remote"}, {"start": "01:21:48", "end": "01:21:52", "text": "viewing, it could be days, weeks, years."}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:54", "text": ">> Could you uh could you talk a little bit"}, {"start": "01:21:52", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "about some of these experiments uh for"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:21:57", "text": "the audience that you've done in terms"}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "of"}, {"start": "01:21:57", "end": "01:22:04", "text": ">> um looking into, you know, uh instances"}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:05", "text": "of precognition and how you tested for"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "that and what the results were."}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:12", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. I've I've sort of gone to"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "two scales. I've gone to the really"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:18", "text": "unconscious uh physiological scale and"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:21", "text": "doing things um at the seconds to like"}, {"start": "01:22:18", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "100 milliseconds to seconds time scale."}, {"start": "01:22:21", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "And then on the other end, the more"}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "conscious um more deliberate"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:34", "text": "precognitive remote viewing, you know,"}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:36", "text": "minutes, days, weeks, etc. scale. So,"}, {"start": "01:22:34", "end": "01:22:38", "text": "I've studied both of those. I I kind of"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:41", "text": "like to do the extremes and then figure"}, {"start": "01:22:38", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "out what I can figure out. And so if you"}, {"start": "01:22:41", "end": "01:22:47", "text": "want to study precognition in the body"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:49", "text": "physiologically,"}, {"start": "01:22:47", "end": "01:22:50", "text": "uh it's called pre-centiment generally."}, {"start": "01:22:49", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "It could also be called these other"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:54", "text": "things. I made up other terms for it to"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "try to get it published like predictive"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:57", "text": "anticipatory activity. So it didn't"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "sound scary to people and it worked. I"}, {"start": "01:22:57", "end": "01:23:01", "text": "got it in a mainstream journal. But then"}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:03", "text": "I regretted it because it's so much"}, {"start": "01:23:01", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "easier to talk about presentiment. It"}, {"start": "01:23:03", "end": "01:23:09", "text": "means prefeing. So it's the idea that uh"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "your body can change its heart rhythm,"}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "respiration,"}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:16", "text": "EEG, you name it, whatever sensor you"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:19", "text": "want on the body before an event occurs."}, {"start": "01:23:16", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "And the event is random. So your body's"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:22", "text": "responding to a future event that it"}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "can't know about according to the usual"}, {"start": "01:23:22", "end": "01:23:26", "text": "means. So that's present. And the way"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:28", "text": "you test it is exactly the way you would"}, {"start": "01:23:26", "end": "01:23:31", "text": "think. You hook someone up to whatever"}, {"start": "01:23:28", "end": "01:23:34", "text": "monitor you're using and you have some"}, {"start": "01:23:31", "end": "01:23:37", "text": "stimula. Um, some that are maybe going"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "to make them scared or excited and some"}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:43", "text": "that are going to just be neutral and"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:45", "text": "you don't know and the person doesn't"}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:47", "text": "know. No one on the planet knows which"}, {"start": "01:23:45", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "stimulus is going to show up. But just"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "before the stimulus shows up, there will"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:56", "text": "be a amping up. Uh, like your heart rate"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:57", "text": "might go up or your skin conductance"}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:23:59", "text": "might go up. you might sweat a little"}, {"start": "01:23:57", "end": "01:24:01", "text": "bit more if it's going to be an arousing"}, {"start": "01:23:59", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "stimulus that's going to, you know,"}, {"start": "01:24:01", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "raise your attention. Um, and it will"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "just be neutral or maybe go down if it's"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "just a neutral stimulus. And that's the"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:14", "text": "result. And it's been shown just a lot."}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:17", "text": "So, one of the first studies I did was"}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:19", "text": "bringing people in and showing them like"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:20", "text": "a picture of a gun versus a picture of a"}, {"start": "01:24:19", "end": "01:24:22", "text": "sunset and then they started crying"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:25", "text": "because it was kind of emotional. So, I"}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:30", "text": "stopped that experiment because the gun"}, {"start": "01:24:25", "end": "01:24:32", "text": "is scary. And I had them just decide if"}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "they I tried to ask them to be psychic."}, {"start": "01:24:32", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "I said, \"There are, you know, four"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "doors. Click on a door and have that be"}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:41", "text": "um we're going to find out if you won $2"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:44", "text": "or something.\" I did this on a"}, {"start": "01:24:41", "end": "01:24:48", "text": "smartphone. And"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "that was the winning was an amazing"}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:52", "text": "stimulus."}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "So if they were about to win, their"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:57", "text": "bodies would get excited. This was"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "really, really, really obvious among"}, {"start": "01:24:57", "end": "01:25:02", "text": "men. Among women, not so much. Among"}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:04", "text": "men, if they're about to win, they're at"}, {"start": "01:25:02", "end": "01:25:07", "text": "$2. It's only $2. But if they're about"}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:09", "text": "to win, there's an excitement that"}, {"start": "01:25:07", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "happens. And it's all random. There's no"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:14", "text": "cue as to whether they're about to win,"}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:17", "text": ">> but their body knows it."}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:19", "text": ">> And this this goes right into some of"}, {"start": "01:25:17", "end": "01:25:20", "text": "the literature on uh day trading. So"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:23", "text": "looking at people who are really good"}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:25", "text": "day traders, they I think there's this"}, {"start": "01:25:23", "end": "01:25:29", "text": "wonderful paper called um inter"}, {"start": "01:25:25", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "reception and surviving a London trading"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:32", "text": "floor or something and it's about that"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:36", "text": "the really good day traders are the ones"}, {"start": "01:25:32", "end": "01:25:38", "text": "who can hear their own heartbeats."}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "And so it's almost like they're they"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:43", "text": "don't even need a sensor."}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:45", "text": "They're sensing into their own body's"}, {"start": "01:25:43", "end": "01:25:46", "text": "wisdom about what's about to happen."}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:49", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:25:46", "end": "01:25:51", "text": ">> Yeah. So that's the physiology side. And"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:53", "text": "then on the other side is the"}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:55", "text": "precognitive remote viewing side, which"}, {"start": "01:25:53", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "is draw a picture, write down some"}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:26:02", "text": "words, do whatever you need to do um to"}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:05", "text": "describe the target you're about to see,"}, {"start": "01:26:02", "end": "01:26:06", "text": "you know, and you have in my studies, I"}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:07", "text": "tend to say like you have two minutes to"}, {"start": "01:26:06", "end": "01:26:09", "text": "do this because I'm working with people"}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:09", "text": "who aren't very good and they're going"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:11", "text": "to just do"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:11", "text": ">> is the target already chosen."}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:13", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:14", "text": ">> Okay. So it's a random target that will"}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "be generated. In all cases, I should"}, {"start": "01:26:14", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "have said that in all cases, you don't"}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:22", "text": "select the target until just before it's"}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:24", "text": "shown. So, the person has to already"}, {"start": "01:26:22", "end": "01:26:25", "text": "have all the data that you're gathering."}, {"start": "01:26:24", "end": "01:26:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Before the target is selected."}, {"start": "01:26:25", "end": "01:26:27", "text": ">> Absolutely. Because no one should know"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:28", "text": "what that is."}, {"start": "01:26:27", "end": "01:26:30", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "01:26:28", "end": "01:26:31", "text": ">> Yeah. So, but you might have a target"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "pool like we had a target pool of like"}, {"start": "01:26:31", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "89 targets."}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:34", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:35", "text": ">> And so, they were going to get one of"}, {"start": "01:26:34", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "them, but they didn't know what those"}, {"start": "01:26:35", "end": "01:26:39", "text": "and you know, we didn't either know"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:41", "text": "which one would be selected. So they"}, {"start": "01:26:39", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "they draw their picture, they do their"}, {"start": "01:26:41", "end": "01:26:46", "text": "words or whatever, they submit it, they"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "wait whatever period of time, then"}, {"start": "01:26:46", "end": "01:26:51", "text": "they're able to see the target. Then"}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:52", "text": "what you do with that in the past, what"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "we used to do, and in most of my"}, {"start": "01:26:52", "end": "01:26:58", "text": "studies, what we used to do is you take"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:00", "text": "how do you score it, right? Because"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "they're going to like draw a smiley face"}, {"start": "01:27:00", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "and some trees or whatever they draw,"}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "right? And you have to figure out that"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:09", "text": "is that most like a picture of a atom"}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:10", "text": "bomb or is it most like a shoe,"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:27:10", "end": "01:27:12", "text": ">> right? And those are very different than"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:14", "text": "what they drew because these are not"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:15", "text": "gifted remote viewers. These are just"}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:17", "text": "regular folks."}, {"start": "01:27:15", "end": "01:27:19", "text": ">> So what you have to do is take them, you"}, {"start": "01:27:17", "end": "01:27:20", "text": "give them to an independent judge who"}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:21", "text": "doesn't know what the target was. They"}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:22", "text": "don't know that the atom bomb was the"}, {"start": "01:27:21", "end": "01:27:23", "text": "target,"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:24", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:26", "text": ">> So you give them the atom bomb and the"}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:28", "text": "shoe and you give them the person's"}, {"start": "01:27:26", "end": "01:27:31", "text": "little drawing and you say, \"Which one"}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:33", "text": "of these is this most like?\" And then"}, {"start": "01:27:31", "end": "01:27:35", "text": "they make a judgment and that's how you"}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "do that. And so you can do statistics on"}, {"start": "01:27:35", "end": "01:27:39", "text": "their judgments. So you get two"}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:40", "text": "independent judges and you can compare"}, {"start": "01:27:39", "end": "01:27:42", "text": "etc. And then you show the results. And"}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:44", "text": "so the results look like people can do"}, {"start": "01:27:42", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "this. Not great but like a rate above"}, {"start": "01:27:44", "end": "01:27:48", "text": "chance. You know they can do better when"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "they're in a state of unconditional"}, {"start": "01:27:48", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "love. So that's interesting. They can do"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:56", "text": "better especially if they're women if"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:57", "text": "they're a little bit anxious. So that's"}, {"start": "01:27:56", "end": "01:27:59", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:00", "text": ">> So that just you can learn a few things"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:04", "text": "about it."}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:07", "text": "But sort of my favorite thing about it"}, {"start": "01:28:04", "end": "01:28:10", "text": "is that in the more recent work, we've"}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "been able to use AI, so LLMs, to do that"}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:15", "text": "judging, to take away some of the human"}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:17", "text": "bias and to find actually better and"}, {"start": "01:28:15", "end": "01:28:19", "text": "bigger effects that we didn't know were"}, {"start": "01:28:17", "end": "01:28:21", "text": "there. So, we recently worked with a"}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "lucid dreamer who is also an artist,"}, {"start": "01:28:21", "end": "01:28:26", "text": "Dave Green in the UK. He he actually"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:29", "text": "asks people, you know, would you like me"}, {"start": "01:28:26", "end": "01:28:31", "text": "to do a portrait for you? And then he"}, {"start": "01:28:29", "end": "01:28:31", "text": "can lucid dream practically at will."}, {"start": "01:28:31", "end": "01:28:34", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:28:31", "end": "01:28:36", "text": ">> And then he dreams the portrait. He asks"}, {"start": "01:28:34", "end": "01:28:37", "text": "in his lucid dream. He So here's the"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:40", "text": "person, show me the portrait. And and it"}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:42", "text": "imposes over their face the portrait."}, {"start": "01:28:40", "end": "01:28:45", "text": "And then he goes back to sleep. And then"}, {"start": "01:28:42", "end": "01:28:47", "text": "the morning he wakes up and sketches it"}, {"start": "01:28:45", "end": "01:28:49", "text": "out. And so we thought, well, can we"}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:52", "text": "teach him to be a pre-cognitive remote"}, {"start": "01:28:49", "end": "01:28:53", "text": "viewer in his lucid dreams? [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:56", "text": "And so we did that kind of experiment"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "with him. And the human judges couldn't"}, {"start": "01:28:56", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "it was they could not find really much"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "correspondence except for one case which"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "was really striking out of 10 dreams."}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:09", "text": "And so of course good human judges found"}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:11", "text": "that case. Good good AI judges found"}, {"start": "01:29:09", "end": "01:29:14", "text": "that case. We tried five different"}, {"start": "01:29:11", "end": "01:29:15", "text": "models found that same case but also"}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "found all these other cases"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:19", "text": ">> and correspondences and then we could do"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:22", "text": "statistics on that. So now we could use"}, {"start": "01:29:19", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "that in my work with non-speakers to"}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "look at the similarity between how"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:28", "text": "they're describing things telepathically"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:30", "text": "and what the target is and get"}, {"start": "01:29:28", "end": "01:29:33", "text": "statistics on that. So it's really been"}, {"start": "01:29:30", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "helpful to graduate from uh human"}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "judging."}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:38", "text": ">> To AI judging and that's largely been"}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:40", "text": "driven by Damon Abraham on our team"}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:41", "text": "who's just"}, {"start": "01:29:40", "end": "01:29:43", "text": ">> really involved in understanding the"}, {"start": "01:29:41", "end": "01:29:45", "text": "phenomenon at all levels and wants to"}, {"start": "01:29:43", "end": "01:29:47", "text": "bring AI into that kind of remote"}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:48", "text": "viewing scoring. It's kind of it's uh"}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:51", "text": "something else."}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:54", "text": ">> Do you think in terms of academia and I"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:57", "text": "know that that's like that's you know"}, {"start": "01:29:54", "end": "01:30:02", "text": "the bad word here but um uh do you think"}, {"start": "01:29:57", "end": "01:30:06", "text": "that AI is a deterrent for them to want"}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:08", "text": "to uh acknowledge this type of study or"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "do you think it's it favors their"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:13", "text": "interest? Cuz you know"}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:15", "text": "you say you know we're eliminating bias."}, {"start": "01:30:13", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "we're eliminating human error by uh"}, {"start": "01:30:15", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "getting rid of these judges and having"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:21", "text": "AI uh part of it. But do you see that as"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:24", "text": "being a benefit to the people who are"}, {"start": "01:30:21", "end": "01:30:25", "text": "reluctant into looking in this or or or"}, {"start": "01:30:24", "end": "01:30:26", "text": ">> well they hate it more?"}, {"start": "01:30:25", "end": "01:30:29", "text": ">> They hate it more."}, {"start": "01:30:26", "end": "01:30:31", "text": ">> Yeah. I think um well certainly you're"}, {"start": "01:30:29", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "not getting completely rid of human bias"}, {"start": "01:30:31", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "because AI has that baked in."}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:36", "text": ">> You're almost using human bias to do the"}, {"start": "01:30:35", "end": "01:30:36", "text": "scoring."}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:38", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:39", "text": ">> Uh but you get rid of things like"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "positional bias."}, {"start": "01:30:39", "end": "01:30:45", "text": ">> I see. Because you can give the same AI"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:47", "text": "the two images in an opposite position"}, {"start": "01:30:45", "end": "01:30:50", "text": ">> and it doesn't remember that it saw it"}, {"start": "01:30:47", "end": "01:30:51", "text": "in the other position. So you could get"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:53", "text": "right"}, {"start": "01:30:51", "end": "01:30:55", "text": ">> you could get both. Whereas with a human"}, {"start": "01:30:53", "end": "01:30:56", "text": "you'd have to give two different humans."}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:30:56", "text": "It's a lot of humans."}, {"start": "01:30:56", "end": "01:31:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:30:56", "end": "01:31:01", "text": ">> Um will it make people hate it more? I"}, {"start": "01:31:00", "end": "01:31:03", "text": "think the people who already hate this"}, {"start": "01:31:01", "end": "01:31:06", "text": "stuff will hate it and say, \"Oh, well"}, {"start": "01:31:03", "end": "01:31:07", "text": "they used AI, right?\" And the people who"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:11", "text": "don't will be like, \"Cool, they used"}, {"start": "01:31:07", "end": "01:31:13", "text": "AI.\" And the the depth I mean I think we"}, {"start": "01:31:11", "end": "01:31:15", "text": "should talk about this. The depth of the"}, {"start": "01:31:13", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "bias"}, {"start": "01:31:15", "end": "01:31:17", "text": ">> and where it comes from."}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:19", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:31:17", "end": "01:31:21", "text": ">> Is really interesting to me because this"}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:24", "text": "is what I've been trying to work with"}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:27", "text": "for ever. I mean, in in my professional"}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "career since"}, {"start": "01:31:27", "end": "01:31:34", "text": "I think maybe 1996, I've been trying to"}, {"start": "01:31:31", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "work with this and just notice and try"}, {"start": "01:31:34", "end": "01:31:39", "text": "to understand"}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:41", "text": "what is it really that makes people"}, {"start": "01:31:39", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "think this can't be true and upsets me"}, {"start": "01:31:41", "end": "01:31:48", "text": "so much and it almost hurts me. Like"}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:50", "text": "I've had professors tell me it hurts"}, {"start": "01:31:48", "end": "01:31:52", "text": "them for me to feel that that this is"}, {"start": "01:31:50", "end": "01:31:54", "text": "the way the universe works. like it"}, {"start": "01:31:52", "end": "01:31:56", "text": "hurts their feelings because they"}, {"start": "01:31:54", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "appreciate my mind and I have so much to"}, {"start": "01:31:56", "end": "01:32:01", "text": "offer blah blah blah. And if only I"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "would just, you know,"}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:05", "text": "present the more mainstream side of my"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:07", "text": "work."}, {"start": "01:32:05", "end": "01:32:09", "text": ">> Yeah, that might also reflect just"}, {"start": "01:32:07", "end": "01:32:11", "text": "where, you know, they might I'm assuming"}, {"start": "01:32:09", "end": "01:32:13", "text": "they're older than you as well. So, you"}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "know, when you get to perhaps the later"}, {"start": "01:32:13", "end": "01:32:16", "text": "stage of your life, you're a little more"}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "reluctant into changing your"}, {"start": "01:32:16", "end": "01:32:20", "text": "foundational"}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:21", "text": "uh you know, and you and you want"}, {"start": "01:32:20", "end": "01:32:23", "text": "everything to be nice and neat before"}, {"start": "01:32:21", "end": "01:32:26", "text": "you leave this place, perhaps."}, {"start": "01:32:23", "end": "01:32:28", "text": ">> Maybe. Maybe. Or Yeah, I think that's"}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:31", "text": "part of it. I mean, I'm not necessarily"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:33", "text": "like that, but I also have a a high"}, {"start": "01:32:31", "end": "01:32:35", "text": "capacity for uncertainty,"}, {"start": "01:32:33", "end": "01:32:38", "text": ">> which I think a lot of people don't"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:39", "text": "have. Yeah, you do, too. Yeah. And so we"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:42", "text": "can talk about these things in some kind"}, {"start": "01:32:39", "end": "01:32:43", "text": "of a generous way to be generous to the"}, {"start": "01:32:42", "end": "01:32:44", "text": "ideas without shutting them down."}, {"start": "01:32:43", "end": "01:32:46", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:48", "text": ">> And without latching on to them either."}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:49", "text": ">> Without Yeah. And without latching on to"}, {"start": "01:32:48", "end": "01:32:50", "text": "them because who knows? I They're"}, {"start": "01:32:49", "end": "01:32:51", "text": "probably all wrong."}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:51", "end": "01:32:55", "text": ">> I mean, we just have these little idiot"}, {"start": "01:32:53", "end": "01:32:56", "text": "human minds, you know? Oh, it could be"}, {"start": "01:32:55", "end": "01:33:00", "text": "like this, you know? It's just like,"}, {"start": "01:32:56", "end": "01:33:02", "text": "okay. Um maybe um we can do experiments,"}, {"start": "01:33:00", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "but even the what we perceive from the"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:10", "text": "experiments could be wrong. So, but"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:13", "text": "I keep coming down to"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:15", "text": "there's this basic"}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:16", "text": "fear"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:18", "text": "of"}, {"start": "01:33:16", "end": "01:33:21", "text": "well there's that the sort of"}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:23", "text": "superficial thing about ego like if I'm"}, {"start": "01:33:21", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "wrong about the way the universe works"}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:27", "text": "then I guess I'm not as smart as I"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:29", "text": "thought I was and I was sort of basing"}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:31", "text": "my identity on being smart so there's"}, {"start": "01:33:29", "end": "01:33:33", "text": "ego"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:35", "text": "but I think it's more basic in that and"}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:37", "text": "I think it speaks to this fear we talked"}, {"start": "01:33:35", "end": "01:33:42", "text": "about of losing control with the love"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:44", "text": "feeling. I think it's um"}, {"start": "01:33:42", "end": "01:33:46", "text": "sort of I want to call it fear of being"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "subsumed"}, {"start": "01:33:46", "end": "01:33:53", "text": ">> like fear of Freud talks about this."}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:54", "text": "Freud was right about a couple things."}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "And one thing I think he was right about"}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:34:00", "text": "is the fear that both men and women"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "have, this is not just a male thing, of"}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "the mother bringing her you back into"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "her womb. Like not being separate."}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:13", "text": ">> Like finding out that you're just"}, {"start": "01:34:12", "end": "01:34:15", "text": "not separate."}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:16", "text": ">> Yeah. That you're a pinched node and not"}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:17", "text": "a detached."}, {"start": "01:34:16", "end": "01:34:19", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:34:17", "end": "01:34:20", "text": ">> Yeah. And then what is the implication"}, {"start": "01:34:19", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "of that is like"}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:25", "text": ">> there's no individuality."}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:27", "text": ">> Yeah. Is like I don't matter."}, {"start": "01:34:25", "end": "01:34:29", "text": ">> But that's not really the implication."}, {"start": "01:34:27", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "That's the ego implication."}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:33", "text": ">> Yeah. That's the ego's belief like oh"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:34", "text": "then I will die. And it's like no"}, {"start": "01:34:33", "end": "01:34:36", "text": "actually"}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:38", "text": ">> you know if your identity is not that"}, {"start": "01:34:36", "end": "01:34:39", "text": "you have to be an individual node but"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "that you're this whole ocean or this"}, {"start": "01:34:39", "end": "01:34:42", "text": "whole thing"}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:43", "text": ">> like that's awesome."}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:34:43", "end": "01:34:48", "text": ">> Yeah. there. It's really a matter of uh"}, {"start": "01:34:45", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "your own perception of the same thing"}, {"start": "01:34:48", "end": "01:34:55", "text": "cuz you know I guess some people would"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "say oh if everything is one and we're"}, {"start": "01:34:55", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "all connected then nothing matters."}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:02", "text": ">> You know then we don't then I don't"}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "matter and where my perception would be"}, {"start": "01:35:02", "end": "01:35:04", "text": "no you matter as much as everything"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:04", "text": "else."}, {"start": "01:35:04", "end": "01:35:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:04", "end": "01:35:06", "text": ">> Like we all matter equally. Like that's"}, {"start": "01:35:06", "end": "01:35:08", "text": "a great"}, {"start": "01:35:06", "end": "01:35:10", "text": ">> to do your job and be be your person"}, {"start": "01:35:08", "end": "01:35:12", "text": "like be who you are. But we matter as"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:13", "text": "much as everything. Like this this this"}, {"start": "01:35:12", "end": "01:35:15", "text": "matters as much as that and we're all"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:17", "text": "equal. That's amazing. But some people"}, {"start": "01:35:15", "end": "01:35:19", "text": "would see that as oh if we're all equal"}, {"start": "01:35:17", "end": "01:35:20", "text": "then I don't matter. And and it's just a"}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:22", "text": "matter of perception."}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:22", "text": ">> Yeah. It's like which side of the ego"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:23", "text": "are you?"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:25", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "01:35:23", "end": "01:35:27", "text": ">> Yeah. But it's all ego because there's"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "this attachment to mattering."}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:34", "text": ">> Yeah. I guess I guess you know the one"}, {"start": "01:35:31", "end": "01:35:37", "text": "thing that comforts me in this thought"}, {"start": "01:35:34", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "experiment would be well I mean I find"}, {"start": "01:35:37", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "it comforting just generally but I think"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:43", "text": "the one thing that provides a little"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:45", "text": "more comfort is the idea that memory"}, {"start": "01:35:43", "end": "01:35:49", "text": "however might be retained. You know this"}, {"start": "01:35:45", "end": "01:35:52", "text": "seems to be the thing um that we hear is"}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:55", "text": "that sure you the loss of individuality"}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:57", "text": "might be you know a factor here uh"}, {"start": "01:35:55", "end": "01:35:58", "text": "through throughout your your life. You"}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:00", "text": "know, you maybe you lose individuality."}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:02", "text": "Okay. But what if memory doesn't go"}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "away? What if memory is still retained"}, {"start": "01:36:02", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "somehow?"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:04", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:06", "text": ">> You know what I mean? Wouldn't that be"}, {"start": "01:36:04", "end": "01:36:10", "text": "enough? I think it would."}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:10", "text": ">> To feel like you exist or to feel like"}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "you matter?"}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:12", "text": ">> Yeah. Or to feel like your experiences"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:17", "text": "mattered?"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:18", "text": ">> Yeah. Is it enough if it's retained?"}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "I I don't know the answer to this. I'm"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:24", "text": "so curious what you think. Is it enough"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:26", "text": "if the memory is retained in the whole?"}, {"start": "01:36:24", "end": "01:36:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Without your individuality. Like"}, {"start": "01:36:26", "end": "01:36:30", "text": "it's hard for us to separate individual"}, {"start": "01:36:28", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "memory from our individuality. But I"}, {"start": "01:36:30", "end": "01:36:34", "text": "think memory perhaps"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:35", "text": ">> uh exists in a in in this infinite"}, {"start": "01:36:34", "end": "01:36:35", "text": "substrate."}, {"start": "01:36:35", "end": "01:36:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:36:35", "end": "01:36:39", "text": ">> Right. Where individuality certainly"}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:41", "text": "does not uh it's just this body or"}, {"start": "01:36:39", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "whatever it is. But the memory does seem"}, {"start": "01:36:41", "end": "01:36:44", "text": "to be information. It does seem to be"}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:46", "text": ">> well the body would though because"}, {"start": "01:36:44", "end": "01:36:47", "text": "that's more information that grows into"}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:50", "text": "the body. But there but the import of"}, {"start": "01:36:47", "end": "01:36:53", "text": "the body is not there. Yeah. But if so"}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:55", "text": "this goes back to your idea of sort of"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:57", "text": "all of us are observers gathering like"}, {"start": "01:36:55", "end": "01:36:58", "text": "different eyes gathering data"}, {"start": "01:36:57", "end": "01:37:00", "text": ">> and then putting it into the"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "informationational substrate but funnily"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:02", "text": "enough it arrived from the"}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:04", "text": "informationational substrate in the"}, {"start": "01:37:02", "end": "01:37:05", "text": "first place. So it's extremely circular"}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "but also awesome."}, {"start": "01:37:05", "end": "01:37:07", "text": ">> So it's almost like we're building a"}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:07", "text": "hologram."}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:10", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:11", "text": ">> Where we have different views of this"}, {"start": "01:37:10", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "information"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:16", "text": ">> and making it more real. It's like we're"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:19", "text": "it's this idea of co-creation and coming"}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:22", "text": "alive. What are we missing from that? I"}, {"start": "01:37:19", "end": "01:37:23", "text": "feel like we're missing"}, {"start": "01:37:22", "end": "01:37:25", "text": "as we play with this idea."}, {"start": "01:37:23", "end": "01:37:27", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:37:25", "end": "01:37:28", "text": "I mean we're well I mean we're only"}, {"start": "01:37:27", "end": "01:37:30", "text": "talking about the information here."}, {"start": "01:37:28", "end": "01:37:32", "text": "We're not talking about you know what"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:35", "text": "what you were what you were saying prior"}, {"start": "01:37:32", "end": "01:37:37", "text": "to this uh to the substrate of love sort"}, {"start": "01:37:35", "end": "01:37:38", "text": "of existing around the information."}, {"start": "01:37:37", "end": "01:37:40", "text": "We're just talking about the information"}, {"start": "01:37:38", "end": "01:37:42", "text": "being passed on and"}, {"start": "01:37:40", "end": "01:37:44", "text": ">> and uh so there is the glue I suppose."}, {"start": "01:37:42", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "Well, so this reminds me of that picture"}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "you have on your wall of um"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:49", "text": ">> the Bazaar."}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:49", "text": ">> Bazaars, like the heart-shaped"}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:54", "text": ">> field around the UF."}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:56", "text": ">> Yeah. And so it's like Yeah. If that's"}, {"start": "01:37:54", "end": "01:37:57", "text": "basically like the nest."}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:37:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:57", "end": "01:38:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:02", "text": ">> Yeah. That's what we're That's what"}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:03", "text": "we're missing. Almost the nest from"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:04", "text": "which this grows, right?"}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:38:04", "end": "01:38:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Like feeding it."}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:10", "text": ">> Or even like um like a Taurus."}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:11", "text": ">> Yeah. more less less like a heart but"}, {"start": "01:38:10", "end": "01:38:12", "text": "more like a Taurus where it just keeps"}, {"start": "01:38:11", "end": "01:38:13", "text": "coming in."}, {"start": "01:38:12", "end": "01:38:15", "text": ">> How high do you think people think we"}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:17", "text": "are? [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:18", "text": ">> I mean they might be getting high at"}, {"start": "01:38:17", "end": "01:38:19", "text": "this very moment just by listening to"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "us."}, {"start": "01:38:19", "end": "01:38:22", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:24", "text": ">> cuz we're actually not high but I mean"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:25", "text": "like I'm not I think looking at your"}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:26", "text": "eyes they're not that dilated. I think"}, {"start": "01:38:25", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "you're not high either."}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:31", "text": ">> No defin and and um"}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:33", "text": ">> I hope that it's this conversation is"}, {"start": "01:38:31", "end": "01:38:34", "text": "followable. I think there's I think"}, {"start": "01:38:33", "end": "01:38:35", "text": "there's people"}, {"start": "01:38:34", "end": "01:38:36", "text": ">> part of it parts of it might not be as"}, {"start": "01:38:35", "end": "01:38:37", "text": "much but"}, {"start": "01:38:36", "end": "01:38:41", "text": ">> it's fun."}, {"start": "01:38:37", "end": "01:38:43", "text": ">> Yeah. I guess you could always wonder."}, {"start": "01:38:41", "end": "01:38:47", "text": "I think that there's something that I'm"}, {"start": "01:38:43", "end": "01:38:49", "text": "wanting to say which is that there's"}, {"start": "01:38:47", "end": "01:38:52", "text": "that it really matters to me anyway and"}, {"start": "01:38:49", "end": "01:38:55", "text": "I think it matters to you that different"}, {"start": "01:38:52", "end": "01:38:57", "text": "people"}, {"start": "01:38:55", "end": "01:39:00", "text": "part of the purpose of podcasting is to"}, {"start": "01:38:57", "end": "01:39:03", "text": "bringing is to bring these different"}, {"start": "01:39:00", "end": "01:39:04", "text": "people who have the such different views"}, {"start": "01:39:03", "end": "01:39:06", "text": "together. It's almost like you're"}, {"start": "01:39:04", "end": "01:39:08", "text": "creating"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:09", "text": "that"}, {"start": "01:39:08", "end": "01:39:09", "text": "hologram."}, {"start": "01:39:09", "end": "01:39:10", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:39:09", "end": "01:39:11", "text": ">> You know, like that's almost like"}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:12", "text": ">> at least mapping it out."}, {"start": "01:39:11", "end": "01:39:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:16", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:18", "text": ">> Yeah. And I I think it's"}, {"start": "01:39:16", "end": "01:39:22", "text": ">> it's a really important metaphor for us"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:23", "text": "as we're moving into the new um the new"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:26", "text": "media."}, {"start": "01:39:23", "end": "01:39:28", "text": ">> Like we often use media as a metaphor of"}, {"start": "01:39:26", "end": "01:39:31", "text": "the mind. You know, the mind works like"}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:33", "text": "the radio. We used to say, \"Oh, the mind"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:34", "text": "works like a computer.\" I'm wondering if"}, {"start": "01:39:33", "end": "01:39:37", "text": "the mind works like a podcast. You know,"}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:38", "text": "if that's an even better metaphor."}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:38", "text": "and we're moving [clears throat] into"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:40", "text": "that"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:41", "text": ">> um about that that's that's an"}, {"start": "01:39:40", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "interesting thought that I had as well"}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:46", "text": "where um you know I've always thought"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:48", "text": "the body as being some type of"}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:51", "text": "processing machine right like some"}, {"start": "01:39:48", "end": "01:39:54", "text": "processor like you know if information"}, {"start": "01:39:51", "end": "01:39:59", "text": "exists non-locally and sort of"}, {"start": "01:39:54", "end": "01:40:02", "text": "omnipresently and then we somehow filter"}, {"start": "01:39:59", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "suck pull or whatever pluck information"}, {"start": "01:40:02", "end": "01:40:07", "text": "out of the substrate and and then apply"}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "it to this physical ical reality, right?"}, {"start": "01:40:07", "end": "01:40:09", "text": "This is the processor."}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:40:09", "end": "01:40:13", "text": ">> What is the processor once the body goes"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:17", "text": "away? Because information still exists"}, {"start": "01:40:13", "end": "01:40:20", "text": "and we hear stories of people having uh"}, {"start": "01:40:17", "end": "01:40:21", "text": "or at least, you know, through"}, {"start": "01:40:20", "end": "01:40:24", "text": "near-death experiences or through"}, {"start": "01:40:21", "end": "01:40:27", "text": "out-of- body experiences. Uh we hear"}, {"start": "01:40:24", "end": "01:40:29", "text": "about them being aware that I'm still"}, {"start": "01:40:27", "end": "01:40:32", "text": "here, but my body's there, but I'm here."}, {"start": "01:40:29", "end": "01:40:34", "text": "Well, then you're processing something."}, {"start": "01:40:32", "end": "01:40:37", "text": ">> Where's the processor? So we talk about"}, {"start": "01:40:34", "end": "01:40:39", "text": "the body as the processor. It's a"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "processor and a sensor of physical"}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:44", "text": "reality."}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:46", "text": "The mind is a processor of the"}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:48", "text": "information it's receiving right from"}, {"start": "01:40:46", "end": "01:40:49", "text": "physical reality but also of"}, {"start": "01:40:48", "end": "01:40:50", "text": "non-physical reality. In other words,"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:51", "text": "like this information."}, {"start": "01:40:50", "end": "01:40:53", "text": ">> So the mind is the process."}, {"start": "01:40:51", "end": "01:40:55", "text": ">> The mind is the processor and it doesn't"}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:58", "text": "go away when the body dies is the idea,"}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:41:00", "text": ">> right? And so now it's able to process"}, {"start": "01:40:58", "end": "01:41:03", "text": "more directly because it doesn't have"}, {"start": "01:41:00", "end": "01:41:04", "text": "that filter and have access to the"}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:05", "text": "informationational substrate more"}, {"start": "01:41:04", "end": "01:41:07", "text": "directly."}, {"start": "01:41:05", "end": "01:41:10", "text": ">> So the mind is is oh is separate from"}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:14", "text": "the information then"}, {"start": "01:41:10", "end": "01:41:16", "text": ">> so no I think the information"}, {"start": "01:41:14", "end": "01:41:17", "text": "is the mind"}, {"start": "01:41:16", "end": "01:41:19", "text": ">> h"}, {"start": "01:41:17", "end": "01:41:21", "text": ">> like this informationational substrate."}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:24", "text": "So we got we're moving between"}, {"start": "01:41:21", "end": "01:41:25", "text": "individual mind and mind sure"}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:27", "text": ">> with a capital M or individual"}, {"start": "01:41:25", "end": "01:41:29", "text": "consciousness and consciousness with a"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:32", "text": "capital C. So the informationational"}, {"start": "01:41:29", "end": "01:41:33", "text": "substrate itself you could call it the"}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:35", "text": "mind of the universe"}, {"start": "01:41:33", "end": "01:41:36", "text": ">> because it has all the information from"}, {"start": "01:41:35", "end": "01:41:38", "text": "the birth to the death of the universe"}, {"start": "01:41:36", "end": "01:41:40", "text": "in this worldview that we're making up."}, {"start": "01:41:38", "end": "01:41:43", "text": "Okay. So that would be like the"}, {"start": "01:41:40", "end": "01:41:45", "text": "universal mind. The individual mind,"}, {"start": "01:41:43", "end": "01:41:50", "text": "this individual consciousness of which"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:53", "text": "we are aware is the filtered down"}, {"start": "01:41:50", "end": "01:41:56", "text": "um access to both that and indirectly"}, {"start": "01:41:53", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "through physicality,"}, {"start": "01:41:56", "end": "01:42:00", "text": "right? If physicality is born, if this"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:02", "text": "cup, if everything that of our bodies"}, {"start": "01:42:00", "end": "01:42:05", "text": "are born out of this mind, this"}, {"start": "01:42:02", "end": "01:42:07", "text": "universal mind, then"}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:09", "text": "our little little C consciousness is"}, {"start": "01:42:07", "end": "01:42:11", "text": "this separate sort of thing that gives"}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:15", "text": "us this theater of separation,"}, {"start": "01:42:11", "end": "01:42:18", "text": ">> this illusion of separation based on"}, {"start": "01:42:15", "end": "01:42:20", "text": "physical reality and whatever filters in"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:22", "text": "whatever leaks in from the"}, {"start": "01:42:20", "end": "01:42:23", "text": "informationational substrate."}, {"start": "01:42:22", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "So"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:26", "text": ">> and that ceases when the body goes away."}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:29", "text": ">> That individual mind I think ceases when"}, {"start": "01:42:26", "end": "01:42:30", "text": "the body goes away. Well although the"}, {"start": "01:42:29", "end": "01:42:32", "text": "the big mind the universal mind would"}, {"start": "01:42:30", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "have awareness"}, {"start": "01:42:32", "end": "01:42:37", "text": "of oh that body is dead but someone"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:40", "text": "could see a ghost or someone you know"}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:41", "text": "what I mean like that that person did"}, {"start": "01:42:40", "end": "01:42:42", "text": "exist in physical form."}, {"start": "01:42:41", "end": "01:42:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:42:42", "end": "01:42:48", "text": ">> Like we we're so used to thinking of"}, {"start": "01:42:45", "end": "01:42:51", "text": "this is I was thinking about this. I was"}, {"start": "01:42:48", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "at in this hot tub today and I was"}, {"start": "01:42:51", "end": "01:42:56", "text": "looking at the rain come down on the on"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:59", "text": "the water and I was just noticing we're"}, {"start": "01:42:56", "end": "01:43:01", "text": "so used to assuming that the universe is"}, {"start": "01:42:59", "end": "01:43:03", "text": "random and that there's no meaning for"}, {"start": "01:43:01", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "instance to the pattern of the drops on"}, {"start": "01:43:03", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "the water that we're not going to look"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:08", "text": "for a message in the pattern of the"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:11", "text": "drops on the water. Like that would be"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "silly and kind of crazy um right now in"}, {"start": "01:43:11", "end": "01:43:16", "text": "the way science is thought about. But so"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:18", "text": "when we talk about the ones and zeros,"}, {"start": "01:43:16", "end": "01:43:21", "text": "it's easy for people because it's it"}, {"start": "01:43:18", "end": "01:43:25", "text": "feels like it has no intention. It has"}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:27", "text": "no there's no mind there. It's just ones"}, {"start": "01:43:25", "end": "01:43:28", "text": "and zeros."}, {"start": "01:43:27", "end": "01:43:33", "text": "But"}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:33", "text": "it kind of feels to me like"}, {"start": "01:43:33", "end": "01:43:40", "text": "intention is that love seeping through."}, {"start": "01:43:35", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "Like that's love is an active"}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:43", "text": "force."}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:44", "text": ">> Mhm. that seeps through and then that"}, {"start": "01:43:43", "end": "01:43:47", "text": "intention is real. It's like the"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:49", "text": "intention of a creator or something"}, {"start": "01:43:47", "end": "01:43:52", "text": ">> and it could affect the ones and zeros."}, {"start": "01:43:49", "end": "01:43:53", "text": ">> Well, yeah. And it circles back. We can"}, {"start": "01:43:52", "end": "01:43:55", "text": "affect the ones and zeros with our"}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "minds. So, it's this"}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:43:58", "text": ">> this co-creative process."}, {"start": "01:43:56", "end": "01:44:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Ones and zeros might just be like"}, {"start": "01:43:58", "end": "01:44:02", "text": "a modern divination tool that uh you"}, {"start": "01:44:01", "end": "01:44:04", "text": "know, we might pick up on."}, {"start": "01:44:02", "end": "01:44:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Might have been might have been an"}, {"start": "01:44:04", "end": "01:44:07", "text": "old bird bones back in the day, but now"}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:09", "text": "it's"}, {"start": "01:44:07", "end": "01:44:09", "text": ">> more sophisticated"}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:11", "text": ">> or whatever"}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:12", "text": ">> or less. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:14", "text": ">> they were just the same."}, {"start": "01:44:12", "end": "01:44:16", "text": ">> They were just the same. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:44:14", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "Um, you know, you were talking about the"}, {"start": "01:44:16", "end": "01:44:19", "text": "uh the experimentation for uh the"}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:21", "text": "pre-cognition. Was that um because I"}, {"start": "01:44:19", "end": "01:44:22", "text": "know I there's Daryl Bem as well, Dr."}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "Daryl Bem, who who"}, {"start": "01:44:22", "end": "01:44:27", "text": ">> Yeah, he did a bunch of pre-cognition"}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:30", "text": "studies. He he did a bunch of them and"}, {"start": "01:44:27", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "what I can say about those is the real"}, {"start": "01:44:30", "end": "01:44:35", "text": "upshot at a meta analysis that came"}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:37", "text": "after him is that the ones that were"}, {"start": "01:44:35", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "more replicable were the ones that were"}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:40", "text": "unconscious."}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:42", "text": "So they were the ones that were like"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:45", "text": "fast, unconscious,"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:47", "text": "not trying to do things. The slower ones"}, {"start": "01:44:45", "end": "01:44:50", "text": "that took more time in between the"}, {"start": "01:44:47", "end": "01:44:53", "text": "information and when it was given in the"}, {"start": "01:44:50", "end": "01:44:53", "text": "future, they did not replicate as well."}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:44:56", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:44:58", "text": ">> And so I think that's very telling. None"}, {"start": "01:44:56", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "of them were remote viewing."}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:01", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:05", "text": ">> And um there's been a lot of takedowns"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:06", "text": "of his work and that's okay. like I"}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:08", "text": "think there were some errors in there"}, {"start": "01:45:06", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "and I think it's okay to criticize work"}, {"start": "01:45:08", "end": "01:45:13", "text": "and try to do better. What I noticed is"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "that the pre-cognitive remote viewing"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:18", "text": "effects which are big and um I think I"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:20", "text": "think I did pretty good statistics on"}, {"start": "01:45:18", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "those. People just don't talk they"}, {"start": "01:45:20", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "prefer not to talk about them"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:27", "text": ">> and and it's hard to find them in Google"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:29", "text": "Scholar. Um they're sort of buried"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:32", "text": "somehow. Uh, and so I feel like if you"}, {"start": "01:45:29", "end": "01:45:33", "text": "can't take it down, it can get buried."}, {"start": "01:45:32", "end": "01:45:35", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:36", "text": ">> And that's where we're living right now."}, {"start": "01:45:35", "end": "01:45:37", "text": "So I just like to talk about them"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:37", "text": "because they're there."}, {"start": "01:45:37", "end": "01:45:39", "text": ">> Of course,"}, {"start": "01:45:37", "end": "01:45:42", "text": ">> they're real. And we know, we know, and"}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:44", "text": "Ed Edme, Dr. Edme, as you call him,"}, {"start": "01:45:42", "end": "01:45:46", "text": "talks about this all the time."}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:49", "text": ">> We know that there's a big effect size,"}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:53", "text": "especially for gifted remote viewers."}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:56", "text": ">> Yes. And Yeah. and and um sesthesia as"}, {"start": "01:45:53", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "well seems to be a factor that was"}, {"start": "01:45:56", "end": "01:46:00", "text": "unexpected in measuring what a good"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:02", "text": "remote viewer is when they when they did"}, {"start": "01:46:00", "end": "01:46:06", "text": "that initial 600 person yeah"}, {"start": "01:46:02", "end": "01:46:08", "text": ">> sort of test to get that 1% down that 1%"}, {"start": "01:46:06", "end": "01:46:10", "text": "yeah and and turned out they were all"}, {"start": "01:46:08", "end": "01:46:12", "text": "sin I really want to do an experiment"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:16", "text": "where we look at time synesthesia"}, {"start": "01:46:12", "end": "01:46:18", "text": ">> because I'm a decent remote viewer and"}, {"start": "01:46:16", "end": "01:46:21", "text": "and I notice that I have I mean I know"}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:23", "text": "the way that the that the um the week"}, {"start": "01:46:21", "end": "01:46:26", "text": "looks and I know the way that the year"}, {"start": "01:46:23", "end": "01:46:29", "text": "looks. Like right now we're in July and"}, {"start": "01:46:26", "end": "01:46:31", "text": "I know where that is in space and it has"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:32", "text": "since I was a kid it's always been that"}, {"start": "01:46:31", "end": "01:46:32", "text": "way."}, {"start": "01:46:32", "end": "01:46:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:46:32", "end": "01:46:36", "text": ">> Like a sesthesia using perception of"}, {"start": "01:46:35", "end": "01:46:38", "text": "time the calendar. Wo."}, {"start": "01:46:36", "end": "01:46:40", "text": ">> Yeah. So it goes like January, February,"}, {"start": "01:46:38", "end": "01:46:42", "text": "March, April, May, June, and then you"}, {"start": "01:46:40", "end": "01:46:44", "text": "turn a corner, you start going down."}, {"start": "01:46:42", "end": "01:46:45", "text": ">> Okay. So it's not like looking at a"}, {"start": "01:46:44", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "calendar and seeing like"}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:48", "text": ">> No, no, no. Then it goes to September"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:50", "text": "and then now you're going this other"}, {"start": "01:46:48", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "direction. You go to December and"}, {"start": "01:46:50", "end": "01:46:54", "text": "there's this big gap between December"}, {"start": "01:46:51", "end": "01:46:56", "text": "and January. So like the years are"}, {"start": "01:46:54", "end": "01:46:58", "text": "really clear to me because there's all"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:47:00", "text": "this space here."}, {"start": "01:46:58", "end": "01:47:02", "text": ">> Are you do you have synthesia in any"}, {"start": "01:47:00", "end": "01:47:05", "text": "other form or is that"}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:08", "text": ">> I do with um numbers and personalities"}, {"start": "01:47:05", "end": "01:47:10", "text": "like each number has a personality uh up"}, {"start": "01:47:08", "end": "01:47:13", "text": "to about 25."}, {"start": "01:47:10", "end": "01:47:14", "text": ">> What's what's an example? 13."}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:17", "text": ">> I get a lot of gritty"}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:18", "text": ">> gritty and 11 and male. 11 also male but"}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:19", "text": "kind. Huh."}, {"start": "01:47:18", "end": "01:47:22", "text": ">> Generous."}, {"start": "01:47:19", "end": "01:47:23", "text": ">> Interesting. It's very interesting. I"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "mean, that could be,"}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:26", "text": ">> you know, has that ever served you in"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:27", "text": "your life?"}, {"start": "01:47:26", "end": "01:47:30", "text": ">> Well, when I was born,"}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:30", "text": ">> like instinctively like when you Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:32", "text": "Yeah. Like"}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:35", "text": ">> or but I mean more so in perhaps like"}, {"start": "01:47:32", "end": "01:47:36", "text": "relationships or"}, {"start": "01:47:35", "end": "01:47:38", "text": ">> meeting someone and"}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:39", "text": ">> Well, if I hear that [laughter] if I"}, {"start": "01:47:38", "end": "01:47:41", "text": "hear that they're born in a certain"}, {"start": "01:47:39", "end": "01:47:42", "text": "month, it might be a little bit"}, {"start": "01:47:41", "end": "01:47:43", "text": ">> biased."}, {"start": "01:47:42", "end": "01:47:46", "text": ">> Yeah. Against or for them."}, {"start": "01:47:43", "end": "01:47:46", "text": ">> And and is and is that proven itself to"}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:48", "text": "be the case?"}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:50", "text": ">> No. No. No. That's just my own little"}, {"start": "01:47:48", "end": "01:47:51", "text": "crazy. Your own little That's my crazy."}, {"start": "01:47:50", "end": "01:47:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay."}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:56", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. But it's um it does help me"}, {"start": "01:47:54", "end": "01:47:58", "text": "remember like"}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:48:00", "text": ">> I can remember my hotel room or phone"}, {"start": "01:47:58", "end": "01:48:01", "text": "numbers or things cuz it's like well"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:02", "text": "that number what's that doing with that"}, {"start": "01:48:01", "end": "01:48:04", "text": "number? And then"}, {"start": "01:48:02", "end": "01:48:05", "text": ">> it's a natural pneummonic."}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly."}, {"start": "01:48:05", "end": "01:48:07", "text": ">> So yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:06", "end": "01:48:08", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:48:07", "end": "01:48:10", "text": ">> but I would love to find out if other"}, {"start": "01:48:08", "end": "01:48:12", "text": "precognitive remote viewers tend to be"}, {"start": "01:48:10", "end": "01:48:14", "text": "uh temporal sinthets."}, {"start": "01:48:12", "end": "01:48:16", "text": ">> That's the first time I've ever heard"}, {"start": "01:48:14", "end": "01:48:17", "text": "that term. That's a really interesting a"}, {"start": "01:48:16", "end": "01:48:20", "text": "really interesting thing because"}, {"start": "01:48:17", "end": "01:48:24", "text": "senesthesia itself is interesting"}, {"start": "01:48:20", "end": "01:48:26", "text": ">> in terms of because it it does seem"}, {"start": "01:48:24", "end": "01:48:29", "text": ">> it it's really easy to categorize people"}, {"start": "01:48:26", "end": "01:48:31", "text": "who are neurode divergent in today's by"}, {"start": "01:48:29", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "today's standards because and not"}, {"start": "01:48:31", "end": "01:48:35", "text": "there's a spectrum of neurode diverency"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:37", "text": "but I mean those on the extreme sides of"}, {"start": "01:48:35", "end": "01:48:40", "text": "the spectrum it's very easy to be like"}, {"start": "01:48:37", "end": "01:48:41", "text": "oh this person's clearly autistic or"}, {"start": "01:48:40", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "whatever you know what I mean but like"}, {"start": "01:48:41", "end": "01:48:46", "text": "sesthesia is more subtle because it"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:49", "text": "seems to really pop up. You don't have"}, {"start": "01:48:46", "end": "01:48:52", "text": "to be um overtly neurode divergent to to"}, {"start": "01:48:49", "end": "01:48:55", "text": "have synthesia. And yet those people"}, {"start": "01:48:52", "end": "01:48:57", "text": "seem to be really in tune with uh this"}, {"start": "01:48:55", "end": "01:48:59", "text": "remote viewing stuff. And so"}, {"start": "01:48:57", "end": "01:49:01", "text": ">> yeah, it's really interesting. The there"}, {"start": "01:48:59", "end": "01:49:04", "text": "there was a really cool sesthesia story"}, {"start": "01:49:01", "end": "01:49:07", "text": "in my post posttock lab. I worked at"}, {"start": "01:49:04", "end": "01:49:09", "text": "Northwestern and um in cognitive"}, {"start": "01:49:07", "end": "01:49:11", "text": "neuroscience in for my postoc and I was"}, {"start": "01:49:09", "end": "01:49:14", "text": "doing EEG and I was helping out with"}, {"start": "01:49:11", "end": "01:49:18", "text": "another experiment that was looking at"}, {"start": "01:49:14", "end": "01:49:19", "text": "um these like body lights on the body"}, {"start": "01:49:18", "end": "01:49:22", "text": "you know what they call them like body"}, {"start": "01:49:19", "end": "01:49:24", "text": "lights if you can you how much how many"}, {"start": "01:49:22", "end": "01:49:25", "text": "lights do you need to detect movement"}, {"start": "01:49:24", "end": "01:49:27", "text": "you know they use those lights in like"}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:28", "text": "animation I see"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:30", "text": ">> they put it on the joints and so how"}, {"start": "01:49:28", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "many of those need do you need to"}, {"start": "01:49:30", "end": "01:49:33", "text": "correctly figure out the movement so"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:35", "text": "that was the experiment so I was helping"}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:37", "text": "out. It wasn't my experiment, but I got"}, {"start": "01:49:35", "end": "01:49:39", "text": "to be there when this one participant"}, {"start": "01:49:37", "end": "01:49:40", "text": "comes in. And she's like, \"All right,"}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:42", "text": "yeah, I see the lights and you want me"}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:43", "text": "to respond about the movement, but can"}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:44", "text": "you turn off the music?\""}, {"start": "01:49:43", "end": "01:49:46", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "01:49:44", "end": "01:49:47", "text": ">> And we're like, \"There's no music.\" And"}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:49", "text": "she's like, \"You know, no, I mean, just"}, {"start": "01:49:47", "end": "01:49:50", "text": "turn off the can you just turn it down?\""}, {"start": "01:49:49", "end": "01:49:53", "text": "You know, and we're like, \"What are you"}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "talking about?\" And it turns out, and"}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:58", "text": "she didn't know this before, but that"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:50:00", "text": "with those lights, she gets music"}, {"start": "01:49:58", "end": "01:50:03", "text": ">> that particular frequency of light."}, {"start": "01:50:00", "end": "01:50:04", "text": ">> Yeah. She's like, \"It's going"}, {"start": "01:50:03", "end": "01:50:08", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:50:04", "end": "01:50:11", "text": ">> This is so cool. So yeah, I think this"}, {"start": "01:50:08", "end": "01:50:13", "text": "this um this way of integrating"}, {"start": "01:50:11", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "information, it's it's almost like the"}, {"start": "01:50:13", "end": "01:50:17", "text": "filter has failed a little bit,"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:19", "text": ">> right? And it's just letting more"}, {"start": "01:50:17", "end": "01:50:21", "text": "information through and your body's"}, {"start": "01:50:19", "end": "01:50:22", "text": "dealing with it in this way and your"}, {"start": "01:50:21", "end": "01:50:24", "text": "mind is dealing with it"}, {"start": "01:50:22", "end": "01:50:26", "text": ">> and that's like sudden savant syndrome"}, {"start": "01:50:24", "end": "01:50:28", "text": "or that's also like these these these"}, {"start": "01:50:26", "end": "01:50:29", "text": "non-verbal children who are"}, {"start": "01:50:28", "end": "01:50:30", "text": ">> maybe that's like that"}, {"start": "01:50:29", "end": "01:50:33", "text": ">> there's like a glitch in the in the"}, {"start": "01:50:30", "end": "01:50:35", "text": "physical brain that allows you know more"}, {"start": "01:50:33", "end": "01:50:37", "text": "information to leak through. I think so."}, {"start": "01:50:35", "end": "01:50:38", "text": "I think because I've been working with"}, {"start": "01:50:37", "end": "01:50:40", "text": "um the telepathy tapes folks. I'm in"}, {"start": "01:50:38", "end": "01:50:42", "text": "their documentary"}, {"start": "01:50:40", "end": "01:50:45", "text": "because I have this amazing team working"}, {"start": "01:50:42", "end": "01:50:48", "text": "with Jeff Terren and Maria Welch and"}, {"start": "01:50:45", "end": "01:50:51", "text": "Natalia man and Damon Abraham and Paulie"}, {"start": "01:50:48", "end": "01:50:54", "text": "Washburn and we're we're really trying"}, {"start": "01:50:51", "end": "01:50:56", "text": "to understand not just this telepathy"}, {"start": "01:50:54", "end": "01:51:00", "text": "thing but also just what is the waking"}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:03", "text": "daily experience of a non-speaking"}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:05", "text": "autistic person and it is wild. I mean"}, {"start": "01:51:03", "end": "01:51:09", "text": "it's very different but I keep coming"}, {"start": "01:51:05", "end": "01:51:12", "text": "across this sort of sense that that"}, {"start": "01:51:09", "end": "01:51:14", "text": "their right hemispheres are unfettered"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:16", "text": "that their right hemisphere where you're"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:17", "text": "doing intuition you're doing creativity"}, {"start": "01:51:16", "end": "01:51:21", "text": "you're doing music you're doing"}, {"start": "01:51:17", "end": "01:51:24", "text": "emotional social connection um"}, {"start": "01:51:21", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "is just not suppressed"}, {"start": "01:51:24", "end": "01:51:28", "text": "as in a regular in a normal person"}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:30", "text": "whereas their left hemisphere"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:32", "text": "clearly there's something going on there"}, {"start": "01:51:30", "end": "01:51:34", "text": "because they can't speak and you"}, {"start": "01:51:32", "end": "01:51:36", "text": "Generally we think of speech in the left"}, {"start": "01:51:34", "end": "01:51:37", "text": "hemisphere. So there's something going"}, {"start": "01:51:36", "end": "01:51:38", "text": "on with a different kind of wiring in"}, {"start": "01:51:37", "end": "01:51:41", "text": "the left hemisphere the current"}, {"start": "01:51:38", "end": "01:51:45", "text": "hypothesis of mine that is and probably"}, {"start": "01:51:41", "end": "01:51:46", "text": "other people's that is also"}, {"start": "01:51:45", "end": "01:51:48", "text": "making the right hemisphere unsuppressed"}, {"start": "01:51:46", "end": "01:51:51", "text": "and that's kind of supported by this"}, {"start": "01:51:48", "end": "01:51:52", "text": "work by Morris Freeman this guy at"}, {"start": "01:51:51", "end": "01:51:54", "text": "Bayrust that I think I mentioned early"}, {"start": "01:51:52", "end": "01:51:54", "text": "on. Do you know about his work?"}, {"start": "01:51:54", "end": "01:51:57", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:51:54", "end": "01:51:59", "text": ">> Yeah. So he's a neurologist and he"}, {"start": "01:51:57", "end": "01:52:02", "text": "starts to have this experience that"}, {"start": "01:51:59", "end": "01:52:05", "text": "maybe some of his patients can do"}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:08", "text": "psychic stuff and there are patients who"}, {"start": "01:52:05", "end": "01:52:11", "text": "have left frontal hemisphere lesions."}, {"start": "01:52:08", "end": "01:52:14", "text": "And so he designs this experiment where"}, {"start": "01:52:11", "end": "01:52:16", "text": "he asks people to move an arrow on a"}, {"start": "01:52:14", "end": "01:52:19", "text": "computer screen with their minds and he"}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:21", "text": "asks his patients to do it. And it's he"}, {"start": "01:52:19", "end": "01:52:24", "text": "finds this directional effect where the"}, {"start": "01:52:21", "end": "01:52:28", "text": "ones with the left frontal hemisphere"}, {"start": "01:52:24", "end": "01:52:30", "text": "lesions. So just background front of the"}, {"start": "01:52:28", "end": "01:52:32", "text": "left lobe is actually suppressing the"}, {"start": "01:52:30", "end": "01:52:34", "text": "right hemisphere the front of the right"}, {"start": "01:52:32", "end": "01:52:36", "text": "hemisphere. So if you have a lesion"}, {"start": "01:52:34", "end": "01:52:37", "text": "there which means maybe you had a stroke"}, {"start": "01:52:36", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "there or something happened those cells"}, {"start": "01:52:37", "end": "01:52:39", "text": "are dead."}, {"start": "01:52:38", "end": "01:52:41", "text": ">> That inhibitor is no longer there."}, {"start": "01:52:39", "end": "01:52:44", "text": ">> That inhibitor is no longer there. It's"}, {"start": "01:52:41", "end": "01:52:46", "text": "releasing the right frontal. So they're"}, {"start": "01:52:44", "end": "01:52:48", "text": "able to do this you know better than"}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:50", "text": "controls. In other words, statistically"}, {"start": "01:52:48", "end": "01:52:52", "text": "significantly better controls at the"}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:53", "text": "direction that makes sense for the left"}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:55", "text": "frontal."}, {"start": "01:52:53", "end": "01:52:57", "text": ">> So then he repeats it in a different"}, {"start": "01:52:55", "end": "01:52:59", "text": "experiment"}, {"start": "01:52:57", "end": "01:53:02", "text": ">> and he uses transcranial magnetic"}, {"start": "01:52:59", "end": "01:53:04", "text": "stimulation to suppress"}, {"start": "01:53:02", "end": "01:53:06", "text": "to to reversibly suppress the left"}, {"start": "01:53:04", "end": "01:53:10", "text": "frontal activity to release the right"}, {"start": "01:53:06", "end": "01:53:13", "text": "hemisphere. He finds the same thing. So"}, {"start": "01:53:10", "end": "01:53:15", "text": "that's very interesting. So yeah, I kind"}, {"start": "01:53:13", "end": "01:53:17", "text": "of think"}, {"start": "01:53:15", "end": "01:53:17", "text": "that's a little bit of what's going on"}, {"start": "01:53:17", "end": "01:53:19", "text": "there."}, {"start": "01:53:17", "end": "01:53:21", "text": ">> Like there's a physical anomaly."}, {"start": "01:53:19", "end": "01:53:25", "text": ">> There's a physical anomaly that's making"}, {"start": "01:53:21", "end": "01:53:26", "text": "the right frontal lobe unsuppressed. And"}, {"start": "01:53:25", "end": "01:53:29", "text": "so that stuff is coming through."}, {"start": "01:53:26", "end": "01:53:32", "text": ">> And so that being said, then there is a"}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:34", "text": "way where you can induce this."}, {"start": "01:53:32", "end": "01:53:36", "text": ">> Apparently you can use reversible TMS,"}, {"start": "01:53:34", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "although that's a little bit scary to"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:38", "text": "me."}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:40", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. I mean scare. As soon as you"}, {"start": "01:53:38", "end": "01:53:43", "text": "mess with the brain, it's very scary."}, {"start": "01:53:40", "end": "01:53:46", "text": ">> Yeah. But like hypothetically, you could"}, {"start": "01:53:43", "end": "01:53:48", "text": "you could induce these these things. Is"}, {"start": "01:53:46", "end": "01:53:50", "text": "that something you think that they were"}, {"start": "01:53:48", "end": "01:53:51", "text": "attempting to do through like the gate"}, {"start": "01:53:50", "end": "01:53:52", "text": "program? And and"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:56", "text": ">> I knew you were going to ask that. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:53:52", "end": "01:53:58", "text": "Right. It's obvious question. Um I"}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:54:00", "text": ">> It's funny because I've been vehemently"}, {"start": "01:53:58", "end": "01:54:03", "text": "against doing myself any experiments"}, {"start": "01:54:00", "end": "01:54:05", "text": "about stimulation, including"}, {"start": "01:54:03", "end": "01:54:07", "text": "transcranial direct uh current"}, {"start": "01:54:05", "end": "01:54:07", "text": "stimulation, which is much lighter."}, {"start": "01:54:07", "end": "01:54:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:54:07", "end": "01:54:12", "text": ">> It's more like a 9volt battery kind of"}, {"start": "01:54:09", "end": "01:54:13", "text": "thing. Um, and then lately I started"}, {"start": "01:54:12", "end": "01:54:16", "text": "getting interested in it, but I haven't"}, {"start": "01:54:13", "end": "01:54:17", "text": "done it. Um,"}, {"start": "01:54:16", "end": "01:54:18", "text": ">> but"}, {"start": "01:54:17", "end": "01:54:21", "text": ">> if I were if I were I mean they knew"}, {"start": "01:54:18", "end": "01:54:22", "text": "that if I was a government official who"}, {"start": "01:54:21", "end": "01:54:23", "text": "was charged with this and was a"}, {"start": "01:54:22", "end": "01:54:25", "text": "neuroscientist, I would I'd be like,"}, {"start": "01:54:23", "end": "01:54:26", "text": "\"Yeah, let's try that.\""}, {"start": "01:54:25", "end": "01:54:28", "text": ">> I mean, it seems obvious."}, {"start": "01:54:26", "end": "01:54:29", "text": ">> It does seem obvious."}, {"start": "01:54:28", "end": "01:54:31", "text": ">> And that you hear about that too a"}, {"start": "01:54:29", "end": "01:54:32", "text": "little bit, right? the um"}, {"start": "01:54:31", "end": "01:54:34", "text": ">> cuz there is there is"}, {"start": "01:54:32", "end": "01:54:35", "text": ">> well the like merciful Martin Jordan"}, {"start": "01:54:34", "end": "01:54:38", "text": "Jose yeah"}, {"start": "01:54:35", "end": "01:54:44", "text": ">> there's there seems to be two opposing"}, {"start": "01:54:38", "end": "01:54:49", "text": "ends of this of of a way to interact"}, {"start": "01:54:44", "end": "01:54:51", "text": "with the substrate and on one end the"}, {"start": "01:54:49", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "end that that you speak of which is this"}, {"start": "01:54:51", "end": "01:54:56", "text": "loving intention this calming of the"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:54:57", "text": "mind this like but then on the other"}, {"start": "01:54:56", "end": "01:55:00", "text": "side there seems to be like this"}, {"start": "01:54:57", "end": "01:55:04", "text": "opposite way of inducing"}, {"start": "01:55:00", "end": "01:55:06", "text": "similar effects through trauma and is"}, {"start": "01:55:04", "end": "01:55:08", "text": ">> is that because it I"}, {"start": "01:55:06", "end": "01:55:10", "text": ">> I agree. I just give a big sigh."}, {"start": "01:55:08", "end": "01:55:13", "text": ">> Yeah. But it does seem like both of"}, {"start": "01:55:10", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "them, it seems at least to me, like both"}, {"start": "01:55:13", "end": "01:55:18", "text": "of them have valid outcomes, although"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:20", "text": "you know, one is preferable and probably"}, {"start": "01:55:18", "end": "01:55:22", "text": "takes longer is the love one and"}, {"start": "01:55:20", "end": "01:55:24", "text": "probably takes more nurturing where the"}, {"start": "01:55:22", "end": "01:55:26", "text": "other one is like we can get instant"}, {"start": "01:55:24", "end": "01:55:29", "text": "access if we just like prod and poke"}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:31", "text": "this person um and hurt them and and"}, {"start": "01:55:29", "end": "01:55:34", "text": "sort of uh and and you know"}, {"start": "01:55:31", "end": "01:55:35", "text": ">> this is devastating. So this is this is"}, {"start": "01:55:34", "end": "01:55:38", "text": "the way people have I believe been"}, {"start": "01:55:35", "end": "01:55:40", "text": "thinking. Yes, I think you we I think"}, {"start": "01:55:38", "end": "01:55:41", "text": "you can get people to dissociate from"}, {"start": "01:55:40", "end": "01:55:43", "text": "their bodies if your goal is to get them"}, {"start": "01:55:41", "end": "01:55:45", "text": "out of their body and to go get"}, {"start": "01:55:43", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "information uh assuming the"}, {"start": "01:55:45", "end": "01:55:47", "text": "consciousness can float around like"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:52", "text": "that, which I think we all kind of at"}, {"start": "01:55:47", "end": "01:55:56", "text": "this point we think that may happen. Um"}, {"start": "01:55:52", "end": "01:56:00", "text": "it's kind of like when people say um so"}, {"start": "01:55:56", "end": "01:56:01", "text": "it really works, you know,"}, {"start": "01:56:00", "end": "01:56:03", "text": "we know that abusing your child is bad,"}, {"start": "01:56:01", "end": "01:56:05", "text": "but it really works to make them stop"}, {"start": "01:56:03", "end": "01:56:07", "text": "their behavior. Like if you hit your"}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:09", "text": "child"}, {"start": "01:56:07", "end": "01:56:11", "text": "um that it's really true that they will"}, {"start": "01:56:09", "end": "01:56:14", "text": "probably stop doing the behavior that"}, {"start": "01:56:11", "end": "01:56:15", "text": "makes you hit them. Like yes, you're"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:18", "text": "treating them like a dog. They will"}, {"start": "01:56:15", "end": "01:56:21", "text": "learn like a dog. Like that that is true"}, {"start": "01:56:18", "end": "01:56:25", "text": "and it's efficient."}, {"start": "01:56:21", "end": "01:56:28", "text": "Um and the long-term impact of that is"}, {"start": "01:56:25", "end": "01:56:29", "text": "to often ruin people's lives."}, {"start": "01:56:28", "end": "01:56:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:56:29", "end": "01:56:33", "text": ">> So now they're no longer efficient at"}, {"start": "01:56:31", "end": "01:56:37", "text": "anything. and the behavior that you were"}, {"start": "01:56:33", "end": "01:56:39", "text": "trying to shape is um probably trying to"}, {"start": "01:56:37", "end": "01:56:40", "text": "make them what you believe to be a"}, {"start": "01:56:39", "end": "01:56:42", "text": "better person, but it's hard for them to"}, {"start": "01:56:40", "end": "01:56:44", "text": "do that. And I think the same thing goes"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:49", "text": "here. It's like, yeah, so for this one"}, {"start": "01:56:44", "end": "01:56:51", "text": "moment, you got what you wanted. And if"}, {"start": "01:56:49", "end": "01:56:54", "text": "you're really trying to make someone who"}, {"start": "01:56:51", "end": "01:56:57", "text": "um can help you in the future and"}, {"start": "01:56:54", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "doesn't crack up or go nuts or you know"}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:02", "text": "eat themselves alive with some amuno"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:05", "text": "uh what do you call it? Autoimmune"}, {"start": "01:57:02", "end": "01:57:08", "text": "disease or something um you've failed"}, {"start": "01:57:05", "end": "01:57:11", "text": "because"}, {"start": "01:57:08", "end": "01:57:12", "text": "it really doesn't take that long to put"}, {"start": "01:57:11", "end": "01:57:14", "text": "people into a state of unconditional"}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:16", "text": "love and yourself."}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:18", "text": ">> Mh. But what happens is this trauma is"}, {"start": "01:57:16", "end": "01:57:21", "text": "passed down. The people that get to do"}, {"start": "01:57:18", "end": "01:57:23", "text": "these things have been traumatized for"}, {"start": "01:57:21", "end": "01:57:25", "text": "themselves. It's it's generational. And"}, {"start": "01:57:23", "end": "01:57:26", "text": "so those are the people who are going to"}, {"start": "01:57:25", "end": "01:57:28", "text": "be motivated to do it and they're going"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "to cause the trauma. Then they're going"}, {"start": "01:57:28", "end": "01:57:33", "text": "to create people who cause the trauma."}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:35", "text": "And so it's devastating. I really I"}, {"start": "01:57:33", "end": "01:57:39", "text": "don't know any details about this except"}, {"start": "01:57:35", "end": "01:57:43", "text": "for what's talked about among survivors."}, {"start": "01:57:39", "end": "01:57:44", "text": "And um but that's enough for me to say"}, {"start": "01:57:43", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "like we're going to have to look at a"}, {"start": "01:57:44", "end": "01:57:49", "text": "different way. I feel the same way about"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:51", "text": "the polygraph. I feel like it's a tool"}, {"start": "01:57:49", "end": "01:57:53", "text": "of trauma that is passed down in the"}, {"start": "01:57:51", "end": "01:57:58", "text": "intelligence community like a hazing uh"}, {"start": "01:57:53", "end": "01:58:00", "text": "tool that people don't realize is"}, {"start": "01:57:58", "end": "01:58:01", "text": "um doing damage while it's also being"}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:03", "text": "not very effective at what it's supposed"}, {"start": "01:58:01", "end": "01:58:04", "text": "to do. Um"}, {"start": "01:58:03", "end": "01:58:06", "text": ">> how so?"}, {"start": "01:58:04", "end": "01:58:07", "text": ">> Well, it's not effective at"}, {"start": "01:58:06", "end": "01:58:08", "text": ">> Well, how is it damaging?"}, {"start": "01:58:07", "end": "01:58:10", "text": ">> How is it doing damage? Well, because"}, {"start": "01:58:08", "end": "01:58:12", "text": "people it's it's screening for"}, {"start": "01:58:10", "end": "01:58:15", "text": "sociopathy."}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:17", "text": ">> So, it's like if you're really good at"}, {"start": "01:58:15", "end": "01:58:19", "text": "just saying yes, no when people accuse"}, {"start": "01:58:17", "end": "01:58:21", "text": "you of things. So, in the polygraph"}, {"start": "01:58:19", "end": "01:58:23", "text": "process, someone's using these tools,"}, {"start": "01:58:21", "end": "01:58:25", "text": "but they're also doing theater, right?"}, {"start": "01:58:23", "end": "01:58:27", "text": "This is all public information. They're"}, {"start": "01:58:25", "end": "01:58:29", "text": "all doing theater to say, \"Oh, no. Well,"}, {"start": "01:58:27", "end": "01:58:32", "text": "why did you put that on your forum if"}, {"start": "01:58:29", "end": "01:58:33", "text": "you did this or, oh, you must lie to"}, {"start": "01:58:32", "end": "01:58:35", "text": "people or whatever.\" They're accusing"}, {"start": "01:58:33", "end": "01:58:35", "text": "you of things to try to see how you"}, {"start": "01:58:35", "end": "01:58:37", "text": "react."}, {"start": "01:58:35", "end": "01:58:38", "text": ">> I see. is like stress inoculation at the"}, {"start": "01:58:37", "end": "01:58:40", "text": "same time."}, {"start": "01:58:38", "end": "01:58:42", "text": ">> Yeah. But it doesn't but either if"}, {"start": "01:58:40", "end": "01:58:45", "text": "someone's if someone has no problem with"}, {"start": "01:58:42", "end": "01:58:47", "text": "that and they can lie because you kind"}, {"start": "01:58:45", "end": "01:58:49", "text": "of have to lie to get through that"}, {"start": "01:58:47", "end": "01:58:50", "text": "because you're basically saying, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "01:58:49", "end": "01:58:51", "text": "I never lie.\" Which is not true. No one"}, {"start": "01:58:50", "end": "01:58:52", "text": "never lies. Right."}, {"start": "01:58:51", "end": "01:58:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:58:52", "end": "01:58:55", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "01:58:53", "end": "01:58:58", "text": "if you're able to do that without any"}, {"start": "01:58:55", "end": "01:59:01", "text": "level of stress, you're probably on the"}, {"start": "01:58:58", "end": "01:59:04", "text": "sociopathy spectrum, right? So now"}, {"start": "01:59:01", "end": "01:59:06", "text": "you're through that. Subconsciously,"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:07", "text": "some part of you has been essentially"}, {"start": "01:59:06", "end": "01:59:09", "text": "tortured"}, {"start": "01:59:07", "end": "01:59:10", "text": "and you're just going to ignore that and"}, {"start": "01:59:09", "end": "01:59:12", "text": "say, \"Well, that's what I have to do for"}, {"start": "01:59:10", "end": "01:59:14", "text": "my work, etc.\" But it comes up later"}, {"start": "01:59:12", "end": "01:59:18", "text": "like a flower and [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:59:14", "end": "01:59:20", "text": "and you can have insider threat and you"}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:22", "text": "can have um people who don't know why"}, {"start": "01:59:20", "end": "01:59:24", "text": "they're feeling frustrated at their"}, {"start": "01:59:22", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "employer, but they are and they're going"}, {"start": "01:59:24", "end": "01:59:28", "text": "to maybe be able to be,"}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:29", "text": ">> you know, turned in some kind of way."}, {"start": "01:59:28", "end": "01:59:29", "text": "So, to me,"}, {"start": "01:59:29", "end": "01:59:31", "text": ">> it's going to fester."}, {"start": "01:59:29", "end": "01:59:32", "text": ">> It's going to fester. there's a wound"}, {"start": "01:59:31", "end": "01:59:35", "text": "that's going to fester."}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:39", "text": ">> So, um, how would you reconcile then,"}, {"start": "01:59:35", "end": "01:59:42", "text": "you know, the ability to access this"}, {"start": "01:59:39", "end": "01:59:46", "text": "substrate information through trauma"}, {"start": "01:59:42", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "with your theory of having it be"}, {"start": "01:59:46", "end": "01:59:49", "text": "accessible through love?"}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:52", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"start": "01:59:49", "end": "01:59:55", "text": "um, you can do both."}, {"start": "01:59:52", "end": "01:59:57", "text": ">> So, you have access to it through both."}, {"start": "01:59:55", "end": "02:00:01", "text": "I think you have access to it through"}, {"start": "01:59:57", "end": "02:00:01", "text": "both because"}, {"start": "02:00:01", "end": "02:00:05", "text": "because"}, {"start": "02:00:03", "end": "02:00:07", "text": "if you go out of your body like to"}, {"start": "02:00:05", "end": "02:00:11", "text": "dissociate then you are more aware that"}, {"start": "02:00:07", "end": "02:00:13", "text": "you are you know not the body and then"}, {"start": "02:00:11", "end": "02:00:15", "text": "you can have access to the"}, {"start": "02:00:13", "end": "02:00:16", "text": "informationational substrate but also I"}, {"start": "02:00:15", "end": "02:00:17", "text": "think you can do both because the"}, {"start": "02:00:16", "end": "02:00:20", "text": "universe is compassionate."}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:22", "text": ">> I see. So it's like if the universe is"}, {"start": "02:00:20", "end": "02:00:25", "text": "aware or this informationational"}, {"start": "02:00:22", "end": "02:00:27", "text": "substrate is aware in some kind of way."}, {"start": "02:00:25", "end": "02:00:30", "text": "I think of this as God like is a is"}, {"start": "02:00:27", "end": "02:00:32", "text": "aware then it's like"}, {"start": "02:00:30", "end": "02:00:33", "text": "I'm compassionately going to"}, {"start": "02:00:32", "end": "02:00:35", "text": ">> grant access"}, {"start": "02:00:33", "end": "02:00:37", "text": ">> grant access. And many many people"}, {"start": "02:00:35", "end": "02:00:40", "text": "who've had those disassociative"}, {"start": "02:00:37", "end": "02:00:42", "text": "experiences can access states of"}, {"start": "02:00:40", "end": "02:00:44", "text": "unconditional love because it's healing"}, {"start": "02:00:42", "end": "02:00:47", "text": "because it's where you can go. It's like"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:49", "text": "it's the difference between it's it's a"}, {"start": "02:00:47", "end": "02:00:51", "text": "very short leap between disassociation"}, {"start": "02:00:49", "end": "02:00:54", "text": "and self-trcendence."}, {"start": "02:00:51", "end": "02:00:55", "text": "And self-trcendence can be this amazing"}, {"start": "02:00:54", "end": "02:00:58", "text": "feeling of like I'm helping this thing"}, {"start": "02:00:55", "end": "02:01:01", "text": "bigger than myself. I am, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "02:00:58", "end": "02:01:03", "text": "in a state of universal love and none of"}, {"start": "02:01:01", "end": "02:01:04", "text": "this matters and I'm doing this thing."}, {"start": "02:01:03", "end": "02:01:06", "text": "Kind of like that dream I had where I'm"}, {"start": "02:01:04", "end": "02:01:08", "text": "like, yes, I can do this thing. I can,"}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:09", "text": "you know, go rise through the ceiling"}, {"start": "02:01:08", "end": "02:01:11", "text": "and I can,"}, {"start": "02:01:09", "end": "02:01:13", "text": ">> right? And then I look back and I go,"}, {"start": "02:01:11", "end": "02:01:15", "text": "\"Oh, but I'm doing it for this person"}, {"start": "02:01:13", "end": "02:01:19", "text": "who's not okay.\" That"}, {"start": "02:01:15", "end": "02:01:22", "text": ">> that is exactly that. And so what we"}, {"start": "02:01:19", "end": "02:01:24", "text": "need to ask ourselves is when if you can"}, {"start": "02:01:22", "end": "02:01:26", "text": "get this from unconditional love and you"}, {"start": "02:01:24", "end": "02:01:30", "text": "can get this from inducing trauma, what"}, {"start": "02:01:26", "end": "02:01:31", "text": "is what is going to help us in the long"}, {"start": "02:01:30", "end": "02:01:34", "text": "run better?"}, {"start": "02:01:31", "end": "02:01:35", "text": ">> Sure. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. And and"}, {"start": "02:01:34", "end": "02:01:38", "text": "yeah, as I as I listen to you, I also"}, {"start": "02:01:35", "end": "02:01:41", "text": "realize that, you know, this is"}, {"start": "02:01:38", "end": "02:01:43", "text": "happening not due to the trauma, but due"}, {"start": "02:01:41", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "to the traumas creating dissociation"}, {"start": "02:01:43", "end": "02:01:47", "text": "from the trauma."}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:49", "text": ">> Yes. This is this is"}, {"start": "02:01:47", "end": "02:01:50", "text": ">> you're dissociating from the trauma in"}, {"start": "02:01:49", "end": "02:01:51", "text": "order to have access."}, {"start": "02:01:50", "end": "02:01:52", "text": ">> Right. Exactly."}, {"start": "02:01:51", "end": "02:01:54", "text": ">> Not because of the trauma."}, {"start": "02:01:52", "end": "02:01:55", "text": ">> It's the healing of the trauma. And so"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:58", "text": "you could just cut out the trauma part"}, {"start": "02:01:55", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "and just do the healing part because"}, {"start": "02:01:58", "end": "02:02:02", "text": "everyone can feel healed with"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:03", "text": "unconditional love. You can still get"}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:05", "text": "there."}, {"start": "02:02:03", "end": "02:02:07", "text": "interesting. This is very interesting,"}, {"start": "02:02:05", "end": "02:02:11", "text": "stimulating conversation and all all all"}, {"start": "02:02:07", "end": "02:02:13", "text": "of which I'm I'm looking forward to. Uh"}, {"start": "02:02:11", "end": "02:02:15", "text": "this this is one of those things like"}, {"start": "02:02:13", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "when I went to contact in the desert, I"}, {"start": "02:02:15", "end": "02:02:19", "text": "had this happen to me as well where uh"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:20", "text": "even my buddy Michael Phillip, he asked"}, {"start": "02:02:19", "end": "02:02:21", "text": "me towards the end, we had a little"}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:24", "text": "interview thing and he he talked to me"}, {"start": "02:02:21", "end": "02:02:26", "text": "and said, \"So where you where have you"}, {"start": "02:02:24", "end": "02:02:29", "text": "landed with all of this?\" You know, and"}, {"start": "02:02:26", "end": "02:02:31", "text": "this is after I spent I don't know. I"}, {"start": "02:02:29", "end": "02:02:34", "text": "It's weird because in these places"}, {"start": "02:02:31", "end": "02:02:37", "text": "you're having these existential"}, {"start": "02:02:34", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "conversations with complete strangers in"}, {"start": "02:02:37", "end": "02:02:43", "text": "the most liinal transient like hallways"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:44", "text": "and and they're just, \"Hey, what do you"}, {"start": "02:02:43", "end": "02:02:46", "text": "think about death?\" And you're like,"}, {"start": "02:02:44", "end": "02:02:47", "text": "\"Blah.\" And then you go, \"Okay, I got to"}, {"start": "02:02:46", "end": "02:02:49", "text": "go get a sandwich.\" And then you turn"}, {"start": "02:02:47", "end": "02:02:50", "text": "here and then someone else is like, \"I"}, {"start": "02:02:49", "end": "02:02:52", "text": "think aliens are this.\" And you're like,"}, {"start": "02:02:50", "end": "02:02:54", "text": "\"All right, let's go there.\" And and"}, {"start": "02:02:52", "end": "02:02:56", "text": "you're having just a multitude of like"}, {"start": "02:02:54", "end": "02:02:58", "text": "the craziest conversations where like my"}, {"start": "02:02:56", "end": "02:03:00", "text": "hard drive felt like it was overheating."}, {"start": "02:02:58", "end": "02:03:02", "text": "Yeah, it's like the mundane and the"}, {"start": "02:03:00", "end": "02:03:03", "text": "completely etheric and everything all"}, {"start": "02:03:02", "end": "02:03:05", "text": "together."}, {"start": "02:03:03", "end": "02:03:07", "text": ">> And it's all of this and so many"}, {"start": "02:03:05", "end": "02:03:09", "text": "different paths from so many different"}, {"start": "02:03:07", "end": "02:03:11", "text": "people. And by the end of it, I I"}, {"start": "02:03:09", "end": "02:03:13", "text": "literally felt like my my hard drive was"}, {"start": "02:03:11", "end": "02:03:14", "text": "like it's so so full."}, {"start": "02:03:13", "end": "02:03:16", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:20", "text": ">> And I told Michael, and this is the same"}, {"start": "02:03:16", "end": "02:03:21", "text": "feeling I'm having right now. I said, I"}, {"start": "02:03:20", "end": "02:03:24", "text": "don't know where I stand with any of"}, {"start": "02:03:21", "end": "02:03:28", "text": "this, but I look forward"}, {"start": "02:03:24", "end": "02:03:30", "text": "to 2 3 days from now. like like a"}, {"start": "02:03:28", "end": "02:03:32", "text": "workout at the gym, you know, where you"}, {"start": "02:03:30", "end": "02:03:34", "text": "get sore the next day and you just can't"}, {"start": "02:03:32", "end": "02:03:35", "text": "move. I look forward to two three days"}, {"start": "02:03:34", "end": "02:03:38", "text": "once I've recovered from this"}, {"start": "02:03:35", "end": "02:03:40", "text": "conversation in a positive way. Um to"}, {"start": "02:03:38", "end": "02:03:43", "text": "then feeling stronger"}, {"start": "02:03:40", "end": "02:03:45", "text": ">> um in in my mind and and and being more"}, {"start": "02:03:43", "end": "02:03:47", "text": "like I I guarantee you I'm going to have"}, {"start": "02:03:45", "end": "02:03:49", "text": "so many better questions and so many"}, {"start": "02:03:47", "end": "02:03:50", "text": "better connections to be made because of"}, {"start": "02:03:49", "end": "02:03:50", "text": "this conversation."}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:03:50", "text": ">> Same."}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:03:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:03:55", "text": ">> Yeah. This is really fun for me to have"}, {"start": "02:03:53", "end": "02:03:58", "text": "a thinking partner in this and the"}, {"start": "02:03:55", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "willingness to just zip around."}, {"start": "02:03:58", "end": "02:04:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I hope we I"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:02", "text": "hope we were cogent to some extent here"}, {"start": "02:04:02", "end": "02:04:04", "text": "for for the audience."}, {"start": "02:04:02", "end": "02:04:05", "text": ">> No idea. I have no idea if that's the"}, {"start": "02:04:04", "end": "02:04:07", "text": "situation."}, {"start": "02:04:05", "end": "02:04:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Um I do want to bring up some"}, {"start": "02:04:07", "end": "02:04:12", "text": "questions from the audience because uh"}, {"start": "02:04:09", "end": "02:04:14", "text": "and this is you know normally we get I"}, {"start": "02:04:12", "end": "02:04:16", "text": "don't know between 10 and 20 qu I think"}, {"start": "02:04:14", "end": "02:04:18", "text": "50 people within a matter of an hour."}, {"start": "02:04:16", "end": "02:04:21", "text": ">> Oh cool. were asking questions and they"}, {"start": "02:04:18", "end": "02:04:23", "text": "were and m and multiple questions and so"}, {"start": "02:04:21", "end": "02:04:24", "text": "I had to pick a bunch. Normally I just"}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:25", "text": "pick three, but I picked like maybe half"}, {"start": "02:04:24", "end": "02:04:26", "text": "a dozen"}, {"start": "02:04:25", "end": "02:04:28", "text": ">> because they were all so interesting. So"}, {"start": "02:04:26", "end": "02:04:28", "text": "I'd like to bring a few of those up."}, {"start": "02:04:28", "end": "02:04:29", "text": ">> That's great."}, {"start": "02:04:28", "end": "02:04:30", "text": ">> Okay. Would you like to take a break"}, {"start": "02:04:29", "end": "02:04:32", "text": "before we do that?"}, {"start": "02:04:30", "end": "02:04:35", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking for more um"}, {"start": "02:04:32", "end": "02:04:36", "text": ">> Yep. Right."}, {"start": "02:04:35", "end": "02:04:39", "text": ">> All right. I only have"}, {"start": "02:04:36", "end": "02:04:42", "text": ">> Do you have any um"}, {"start": "02:04:39", "end": "02:04:45", "text": "contact experiences?"}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:47", "text": ">> No. No. other than, you know, seeing"}, {"start": "02:04:45", "end": "02:04:47", "text": "some things in the sky."}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:51", "text": ">> And then that one time throughout the"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:52", "text": "out of- body experience, hearing a"}, {"start": "02:04:51", "end": "02:04:54", "text": "female voice."}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:55", "text": ">> Oh, so that wasn't an actual person that"}, {"start": "02:04:54", "end": "02:04:56", "text": "was in the house."}, {"start": "02:04:55", "end": "02:04:58", "text": ">> No, no, no."}, {"start": "02:04:56", "end": "02:05:00", "text": ">> Oh, that wasn't clear. I didn't know."}, {"start": "02:04:58", "end": "02:05:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. It was uh And it was an"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:04", "text": "indistinct voice. I've never heard it,"}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:04", "text": "but it was stern. It felt very stern."}, {"start": "02:05:04", "end": "02:05:08", "text": "Like uh"}, {"start": "02:05:04", "end": "02:05:11", "text": ">> Put back on your body. It it it so I was"}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:13", "text": "trying to go through the window and I"}, {"start": "02:05:11", "end": "02:05:14", "text": "couldn't get my hand through the window"}, {"start": "02:05:13", "end": "02:05:18", "text": "like they taught me at Monroe. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:05:14", "end": "02:05:19", "text": ">> And then I went to go open the window in"}, {"start": "02:05:18", "end": "02:05:21", "text": "the out of body state."}, {"start": "02:05:19", "end": "02:05:24", "text": ">> And then as I was leaping out halfway"}, {"start": "02:05:21", "end": "02:05:26", "text": "through I hear right here this female"}, {"start": "02:05:24", "end": "02:05:26", "text": "voice go, \"What are you doing?\""}, {"start": "02:05:26", "end": "02:05:29", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "02:05:26", "end": "02:05:31", "text": ">> And I went I shuddered like I my I"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:32", "text": "froze. I I remember tensing up like this"}, {"start": "02:05:31", "end": "02:05:34", "text": "and going"}, {"start": "02:05:32", "end": "02:05:35", "text": ">> Yeah. And then like looking at my body"}, {"start": "02:05:34", "end": "02:05:38", "text": "and just I didn't want to look where"}, {"start": "02:05:35", "end": "02:05:39", "text": "that was coming from cuz it scared me. I"}, {"start": "02:05:38", "end": "02:05:41", "text": ">> you feel like you're in a place where"}, {"start": "02:05:39", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "you don't belong instantly. You feel"}, {"start": "02:05:41", "end": "02:05:46", "text": "like I'm not supposed to be here."}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:46", "text": ">> But you didn't before that voice."}, {"start": "02:05:46", "end": "02:05:48", "text": ">> Yeah, I did."}, {"start": "02:05:46", "end": "02:05:50", "text": ">> You did. Even before that voice."}, {"start": "02:05:48", "end": "02:05:51", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm instantly."}, {"start": "02:05:50", "end": "02:05:51", "text": ">> You felt like you were sneaking around a"}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:05:53", "text": "little"}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:05:55", "text": ">> instantly. As soon as you cuz like when"}, {"start": "02:05:53", "end": "02:05:57", "text": "this happens, when the out of body"}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:05:59", "text": "happens, your physical body's here. This"}, {"start": "02:05:57", "end": "02:06:02", "text": "is happened for me and some other people"}, {"start": "02:05:59", "end": "02:06:04", "text": "as well. describe this, but like this is"}, {"start": "02:06:02", "end": "02:06:05", "text": "I'm inside my body and I'm like this."}, {"start": "02:06:04", "end": "02:06:08", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:06:05", "end": "02:06:09", "text": ">> Now I'm like free floating inside my"}, {"start": "02:06:08", "end": "02:06:09", "text": "physical body."}, {"start": "02:06:09", "end": "02:06:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:06:09", "end": "02:06:12", "text": ">> Where I'm like, oh, I could just like"}, {"start": "02:06:11", "end": "02:06:14", "text": "I'm"}, {"start": "02:06:12", "end": "02:06:16", "text": ">> going to lie. I'm not bound. I'm not I'm"}, {"start": "02:06:14", "end": "02:06:17", "text": "like unbound to my body. And you feel"}, {"start": "02:06:16", "end": "02:06:17", "text": "that."}, {"start": "02:06:17", "end": "02:06:18", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:06:17", "end": "02:06:20", "text": ">> And so that's what makes you want to"}, {"start": "02:06:18", "end": "02:06:21", "text": "just get out"}, {"start": "02:06:20", "end": "02:06:22", "text": ">> and just play around"}, {"start": "02:06:21", "end": "02:06:23", "text": ">> because you're"}, {"start": "02:06:22", "end": "02:06:24", "text": ">> because you can."}, {"start": "02:06:23", "end": "02:06:26", "text": ">> Why am I just lying here if I'm not"}, {"start": "02:06:24", "end": "02:06:28", "text": "attached to my body? And you just kind"}, {"start": "02:06:26", "end": "02:06:30", "text": "of like you can just sit up, right? And"}, {"start": "02:06:28", "end": "02:06:33", "text": "so I get out, but as soon as you're out,"}, {"start": "02:06:30", "end": "02:06:36", "text": "you realize there is this tone, at least"}, {"start": "02:06:33", "end": "02:06:38", "text": "for me, like a like the entire time, and"}, {"start": "02:06:36", "end": "02:06:39", "text": "it's very ominous, like almost dreadful,"}, {"start": "02:06:38", "end": "02:06:41", "text": "like like for me"}, {"start": "02:06:39", "end": "02:06:43", "text": ">> because you feel like you're in the"}, {"start": "02:06:41", "end": "02:06:44", "text": "upside down. You feel like, oh, this is"}, {"start": "02:06:43", "end": "02:06:44", "text": "not my room."}, {"start": "02:06:44", "end": "02:06:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:06:44", "end": "02:06:49", "text": ">> Um this is a projection of of my memory"}, {"start": "02:06:48", "end": "02:06:53", "text": "of my room,"}, {"start": "02:06:49", "end": "02:06:54", "text": ">> but you're not in your room. This is"}, {"start": "02:06:53", "end": "02:06:58", "text": "this is a different place that you're"}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:59", "text": "not supposed to be here. Uh, this isn't"}, {"start": "02:06:58", "end": "02:07:01", "text": "this isn't a dream. This isn't your"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:02", "text": "room. This isn't reality. This is a"}, {"start": "02:07:01", "end": "02:07:03", "text": "different place. You're in a different"}, {"start": "02:07:02", "end": "02:07:04", "text": "place where there's there could be other"}, {"start": "02:07:03", "end": "02:07:06", "text": "things here. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:07:04", "end": "02:07:09", "text": ">> And you know that instantly. Instantly I"}, {"start": "02:07:06", "end": "02:07:09", "text": "know that I am not alone in this world."}, {"start": "02:07:09", "end": "02:07:10", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:07:09", "end": "02:07:11", "text": ">> And I don't know if they're here. I"}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:13", "text": "don't know what. I don't want to see"}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:14", "text": "them. I don't want to talk to anybody. I"}, {"start": "02:07:13", "end": "02:07:17", "text": "just want I wanted one foot in front of"}, {"start": "02:07:14", "end": "02:07:19", "text": "the other. And I'm literally just like"}, {"start": "02:07:17", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "moving looking here. Blinders. I'm like"}, {"start": "02:07:19", "end": "02:07:21", "text": "I don't want to look at anything else,"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:23", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:07:21", "end": "02:07:25", "text": ">> In case. And then as I go I hear this"}, {"start": "02:07:23", "end": "02:07:27", "text": "voice like, \"All right, back in bed.\""}, {"start": "02:07:25", "end": "02:07:29", "text": "And yeah, instantly up."}, {"start": "02:07:27", "end": "02:07:32", "text": ">> And yeah, all of that for me was really"}, {"start": "02:07:29", "end": "02:07:34", "text": "trippy because it happened during a"}, {"start": "02:07:32", "end": "02:07:37", "text": "waking state. There was wasn't one"}, {"start": "02:07:34", "end": "02:07:38", "text": "millisecond where I fell asleep. And I I"}, {"start": "02:07:37", "end": "02:07:40", "text": "looked at the time when I put my"}, {"start": "02:07:38", "end": "02:07:43", "text": "headphones down was 6:30. It was 6:30."}, {"start": "02:07:40", "end": "02:07:44", "text": "Uh 6:30 and it was like 6:32. Like it"}, {"start": "02:07:43", "end": "02:07:46", "text": "was"}, {"start": "02:07:44", "end": "02:07:47", "text": ">> every second was accounted for."}, {"start": "02:07:46", "end": "02:07:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:07:47", "end": "02:07:49", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:07:47", "end": "02:07:51", "text": ">> when you came back in your body,"}, {"start": "02:07:49", "end": "02:07:53", "text": ">> do you feel like anything else was"}, {"start": "02:07:51", "end": "02:07:54", "text": "there? Do you feel like you did you feel"}, {"start": "02:07:53", "end": "02:07:57", "text": "safe back in your body?"}, {"start": "02:07:54", "end": "02:08:01", "text": ">> Yeah. I never for once uh felt like that"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:08:04", "text": "could have happened. I also feel like I"}, {"start": "02:08:01", "end": "02:08:06", "text": "don't know but I feel like"}, {"start": "02:08:04", "end": "02:08:10", "text": "when you have an out-of- body experience"}, {"start": "02:08:06", "end": "02:08:12", "text": "we call it an out of body experience. I"}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:13", "text": "don't know that that's what's happening."}, {"start": "02:08:12", "end": "02:08:16", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:08:13", "end": "02:08:18", "text": ">> Um we call it that because we can see"}, {"start": "02:08:16", "end": "02:08:20", "text": "our body and see our room and wander"}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:23", "text": "around. But as even Robert Monroe talks"}, {"start": "02:08:20", "end": "02:08:23", "text": "about and as I I've experienced, it's"}, {"start": "02:08:23", "end": "02:08:26", "text": "not your room."}, {"start": "02:08:23", "end": "02:08:26", "text": ">> Yeah. It's like an 80%. It's your memory"}, {"start": "02:08:26", "end": "02:08:27", "text": "of your room."}, {"start": "02:08:26", "end": "02:08:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:08:27", "end": "02:08:29", "text": ">> So, who says that you're out of body at"}, {"start": "02:08:29", "end": "02:08:32", "text": "all, first of all?"}, {"start": "02:08:29", "end": "02:08:34", "text": ">> Right. You could be your your brain"}, {"start": "02:08:32", "end": "02:08:35", "text": "literally has a construction of where"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:37", "text": "your body is in space and what your room"}, {"start": "02:08:35", "end": "02:08:38", "text": "looks like and you could be wandering"}, {"start": "02:08:37", "end": "02:08:39", "text": "around in there. Correct."}, {"start": "02:08:38", "end": "02:08:40", "text": ">> So, it could be giving you weird"}, {"start": "02:08:39", "end": "02:08:41", "text": "feelings"}, {"start": "02:08:40", "end": "02:08:41", "text": ">> or billocating."}, {"start": "02:08:41", "end": "02:08:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Right."}, {"start": "02:08:41", "end": "02:08:45", "text": ">> You know, who who says I can't be in and"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:49", "text": "out of my body at the same time."}, {"start": "02:08:45", "end": "02:08:52", "text": ">> Right. And also I mean I get that and"}, {"start": "02:08:49", "end": "02:08:53", "text": "that's why this thing about getting"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:55", "text": "veritical information like looking in"}, {"start": "02:08:53", "end": "02:08:57", "text": "the envelope ends up being important but"}, {"start": "02:08:55", "end": "02:08:59", "text": "it's not important because you can"}, {"start": "02:08:57", "end": "02:09:01", "text": "literally just remote view while you're"}, {"start": "02:08:59", "end": "02:09:02", "text": "having an out-of- body experience if"}, {"start": "02:09:01", "end": "02:09:03", "text": "you're gifted at it. So it doesn't"}, {"start": "02:09:02", "end": "02:09:05", "text": "actually"}, {"start": "02:09:03", "end": "02:09:07", "text": ">> prove that you've left your body. No."}, {"start": "02:09:05", "end": "02:09:09", "text": "Exactly. So that's that's where I'm like"}, {"start": "02:09:07", "end": "02:09:11", "text": "I don't really"}, {"start": "02:09:09", "end": "02:09:13", "text": ">> I don't know what I'm experiencing when"}, {"start": "02:09:11", "end": "02:09:15", "text": "they say out of body. I think it's the"}, {"start": "02:09:13", "end": "02:09:16", "text": "easiest thing to say cuz that's what it"}, {"start": "02:09:15", "end": "02:09:17", "text": "feels like."}, {"start": "02:09:16", "end": "02:09:19", "text": ">> Well, and there's certain uh like"}, {"start": "02:09:17", "end": "02:09:20", "text": "neurological disorders that will give"}, {"start": "02:09:19", "end": "02:09:20", "text": "you that experience,"}, {"start": "02:09:20", "end": "02:09:23", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:09:20", "end": "02:09:24", "text": ">> Yeah. And so like and and even it"}, {"start": "02:09:23", "end": "02:09:29", "text": "reminds me of my dad's wife who has"}, {"start": "02:09:24", "end": "02:09:32", "text": "Alzheimer's and um she came home after"}, {"start": "02:09:29", "end": "02:09:34", "text": "after getting surgery to her room and"}, {"start": "02:09:32", "end": "02:09:35", "text": "she said, \"This looks just like my"}, {"start": "02:09:34", "end": "02:09:38", "text": "bedroom,"}, {"start": "02:09:35", "end": "02:09:42", "text": ">> but I know it's not.\" And I just wonder"}, {"start": "02:09:38", "end": "02:09:43", "text": "how much of that the dementia processes,"}, {"start": "02:09:42", "end": "02:09:47", "text": ">> right,"}, {"start": "02:09:43", "end": "02:09:48", "text": ">> are similar to like losing the tether"}, {"start": "02:09:47", "end": "02:09:50", "text": ">> to spaceime or"}, {"start": "02:09:48", "end": "02:09:51", "text": ">> spaceime or to being in your body."}, {"start": "02:09:50", "end": "02:09:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:09:51", "end": "02:09:54", "text": ">> Just that that because the the brain is"}, {"start": "02:09:53", "end": "02:09:56", "text": "being impacted in this way that"}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:09:57", "text": "constructs these things. We forget that"}, {"start": "02:09:56", "end": "02:09:57", "text": "they're all constructed."}, {"start": "02:09:57", "end": "02:09:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:09:57", "end": "02:10:00", "text": ">> And so it's a reminder that all this is"}, {"start": "02:09:59", "end": "02:10:01", "text": "constructed"}, {"start": "02:10:00", "end": "02:10:01", "text": ">> and you need an anchor."}, {"start": "02:10:01", "end": "02:10:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:10:01", "end": "02:10:05", "text": ">> You need some type of uh anchor to"}, {"start": "02:10:03", "end": "02:10:07", "text": "anchor you into that moment. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:10:05", "end": "02:10:09", "text": ">> And if that anchor, whether that's space"}, {"start": "02:10:07", "end": "02:10:09", "text": "or time or the illusion of of where you"}, {"start": "02:10:09", "end": "02:10:11", "text": "are,"}, {"start": "02:10:09", "end": "02:10:12", "text": ">> if that anchor isn't there, then you're"}, {"start": "02:10:11", "end": "02:10:13", "text": "just kind of like, this feels familiar,"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:15", "text": "but it's not."}, {"start": "02:10:13", "end": "02:10:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:10:15", "end": "02:10:17", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:10:15", "end": "02:10:18", "text": ">> Yeah. So, I don't know that that's what"}, {"start": "02:10:17", "end": "02:10:20", "text": "anybody's experiencing. And that's why I"}, {"start": "02:10:18", "end": "02:10:21", "text": "don't have a fear of like somebody else"}, {"start": "02:10:20", "end": "02:10:23", "text": "taking over my body because I don't"}, {"start": "02:10:21", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "fully think I'm even out of my body."}, {"start": "02:10:23", "end": "02:10:26", "text": ">> Right. That makes sense."}, {"start": "02:10:24", "end": "02:10:28", "text": ">> But I do feel like this is a"}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:30", "text": "non-physical reality that I'm currently"}, {"start": "02:10:28", "end": "02:10:32", "text": "experiencing. I just don't know that"}, {"start": "02:10:30", "end": "02:10:33", "text": "it's separate and I don't know that I'm"}, {"start": "02:10:32", "end": "02:10:35", "text": "not in both. Right."}, {"start": "02:10:33", "end": "02:10:37", "text": ">> At the same time, like perhaps part of"}, {"start": "02:10:35", "end": "02:10:40", "text": "my consciousness is projecting"}, {"start": "02:10:37", "end": "02:10:42", "text": ">> uh this, you know, simulation of of a"}, {"start": "02:10:40", "end": "02:10:43", "text": "reality that I'm in now and the other"}, {"start": "02:10:42", "end": "02:10:44", "text": "part of the consciousness is well intact"}, {"start": "02:10:43", "end": "02:10:44", "text": "in my body."}, {"start": "02:10:44", "end": "02:10:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:10:44", "end": "02:10:46", "text": ">> You know, I I don't know."}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:49", "text": ">> When you look down at your body, though."}, {"start": "02:10:48", "end": "02:10:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:10:49", "end": "02:10:52", "text": ">> Does it look like you're"}, {"start": "02:10:50", "end": "02:10:55", "text": ">> it? You you you don't recognize yourself"}, {"start": "02:10:52", "end": "02:10:56", "text": "be Well, I at least I don't because like"}, {"start": "02:10:55", "end": "02:10:58", "text": "when have you ever seen yourself with"}, {"start": "02:10:56", "end": "02:11:00", "text": "your eyes closed?"}, {"start": "02:10:58", "end": "02:11:01", "text": ">> Yeah. No, I My husband takes a picture"}, {"start": "02:11:00", "end": "02:11:02", "text": "of me."}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:03", "text": ">> Right. Exactly. But you look different."}, {"start": "02:11:02", "end": "02:11:04", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "02:11:03", "end": "02:11:06", "text": ">> So you look at yourself like is that me?"}, {"start": "02:11:04", "end": "02:11:07", "text": "Like like it really is like it feels"}, {"start": "02:11:06", "end": "02:11:09", "text": "like is that a stranger? Like and then"}, {"start": "02:11:07", "end": "02:11:11", "text": "you get the realization that it's you"}, {"start": "02:11:09", "end": "02:11:13", "text": "but you're just not familiar with"}, {"start": "02:11:11", "end": "02:11:17", "text": ">> So the body doesn't look dead or"}, {"start": "02:11:13", "end": "02:11:19", "text": ">> No. No. It and it's um it's not entirely"}, {"start": "02:11:17", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "in detail. Like it's a little fuzzy too"}, {"start": "02:11:19", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "like just because of everything I guess."}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "But"}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:24", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:25", "text": ">> I think what I heard was the more you go"}, {"start": "02:11:24", "end": "02:11:27", "text": "out of body, the clearer it gets. Like"}, {"start": "02:11:25", "end": "02:11:29", "text": "you upgrade to like the HD version of it"}, {"start": "02:11:27", "end": "02:11:31", "text": "like if you've done it enough. Um so I"}, {"start": "02:11:29", "end": "02:11:33", "text": "had the very low res version."}, {"start": "02:11:31", "end": "02:11:34", "text": ">> Wow. for my first few experiences."}, {"start": "02:11:33", "end": "02:11:36", "text": ">> I wonder who that woman was. If that was"}, {"start": "02:11:34", "end": "02:11:37", "text": "like your mother or"}, {"start": "02:11:36", "end": "02:11:39", "text": ">> No, it didn't sound like my mother. It"}, {"start": "02:11:37", "end": "02:11:40", "text": "didn't It uh No, it was"}, {"start": "02:11:39", "end": "02:11:41", "text": ">> It didn't sound like anyone."}, {"start": "02:11:40", "end": "02:11:42", "text": ">> No, not"}, {"start": "02:11:41", "end": "02:11:45", "text": ">> Was it human?"}, {"start": "02:11:42", "end": "02:11:46", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, sounded like a human woman."}, {"start": "02:11:45", "end": "02:11:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:11:46", "end": "02:11:48", "text": ">> Uh but like stern."}, {"start": "02:11:47", "end": "02:11:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:50", "text": ">> Is the only way I can put it. Not I"}, {"start": "02:11:50", "end": "02:11:52", "text": "didn't feel like"}, {"start": "02:11:50", "end": "02:11:53", "text": ">> Maybe it was me. [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:11:52", "end": "02:11:54", "text": ">> Maybe."}, {"start": "02:11:53", "end": "02:11:55", "text": ">> Get back on your body. What are you"}, {"start": "02:11:54", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "doing?"}, {"start": "02:11:55", "end": "02:11:58", "text": ">> It was like It was like what are you"}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:11:59", "text": "doing? Like it it sounded like what do"}, {"start": "02:11:58", "end": "02:12:01", "text": "you think you're doing? Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:11:59", "end": "02:12:02", "text": ">> like is what the feeling I got was and I"}, {"start": "02:12:01", "end": "02:12:03", "text": "was just like I'm not going to even"}, {"start": "02:12:02", "end": "02:12:04", "text": "answer that."}, {"start": "02:12:03", "end": "02:12:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:12:04", "end": "02:12:06", "text": ">> And it was it was funny too. I don't"}, {"start": "02:12:05", "end": "02:12:08", "text": "even know if I mentioned this in the"}, {"start": "02:12:06", "end": "02:12:11", "text": "video, but when I went to the window,"}, {"start": "02:12:08", "end": "02:12:13", "text": "beside the window, there was a rosary."}, {"start": "02:12:11", "end": "02:12:13", "text": ">> I don't have a rosary in my house."}, {"start": "02:12:13", "end": "02:12:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:12:13", "end": "02:12:16", "text": ">> That's interesting."}, {"start": "02:12:14", "end": "02:12:17", "text": ">> Yeah. Beside the window. And so that but"}, {"start": "02:12:16", "end": "02:12:18", "text": "that was one of the things where I was"}, {"start": "02:12:17", "end": "02:12:20", "text": "like, \"Oh, this is not my room.\""}, {"start": "02:12:18", "end": "02:12:21", "text": ">> Or it could have been some weird"}, {"start": "02:12:20", "end": "02:12:23", "text": "space-time journey."}, {"start": "02:12:21", "end": "02:12:26", "text": ">> Yep. Exactly. Or some projection of my"}, {"start": "02:12:23", "end": "02:12:26", "text": "subconscious or something."}, {"start": "02:12:26", "end": "02:12:28", "text": "Yeah. So,"}, {"start": "02:12:26", "end": "02:12:31", "text": ">> oh, there's these amazing ghost stories"}, {"start": "02:12:28", "end": "02:12:32", "text": "about ghosts who meet each other from"}, {"start": "02:12:31", "end": "02:12:33", "text": "different times."}, {"start": "02:12:32", "end": "02:12:33", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:12:33", "end": "02:12:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:12:33", "end": "02:12:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Who knows? Um, you know, and and"}, {"start": "02:12:36", "end": "02:12:39", "text": "all of the above might be true"}, {"start": "02:12:38", "end": "02:12:40", "text": ">> at the same time."}, {"start": "02:12:39", "end": "02:12:42", "text": ">> All very [clears throat] difficult to"}, {"start": "02:12:40", "end": "02:12:43", "text": "test, but super interesting."}, {"start": "02:12:42", "end": "02:12:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Very interesting."}, {"start": "02:12:43", "end": "02:12:45", "text": ">> Okay, we got questions."}, {"start": "02:12:44", "end": "02:12:48", "text": ">> Yes, we got these questions here that I"}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:50", "text": "will pull up. Um, we're just going to"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:55", "text": "start anywhere here."}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:55", "text": ">> Oh, I like this one a lot from JKP."}, {"start": "02:12:57", "end": "02:13:00", "text": "Oh, cool."}, {"start": "02:13:01", "end": "02:13:05", "text": ">> How important is synchronization? So,"}, {"start": "02:13:02", "end": "02:13:06", "text": "maybe synchronicity in this field of"}, {"start": "02:13:05", "end": "02:13:08", "text": "research."}, {"start": "02:13:06", "end": "02:13:10", "text": ">> Um, I'm taking it in a different way."}, {"start": "02:13:08", "end": "02:13:13", "text": "Not synchronicity, but synchronization"}, {"start": "02:13:10", "end": "02:13:15", "text": "like between people or synchronization"}, {"start": "02:13:13", "end": "02:13:17", "text": "of different parts of the brain"}, {"start": "02:13:15", "end": "02:13:19", "text": ">> or like oscillations, you know, coherent"}, {"start": "02:13:17", "end": "02:13:21", "text": "oscillations in different parts of the"}, {"start": "02:13:19", "end": "02:13:24", "text": "brain. Are you thinking synchronicity? I"}, {"start": "02:13:21", "end": "02:13:25", "text": "was but I'm happy to happy to go that"}, {"start": "02:13:24", "end": "02:13:28", "text": "down that road as well."}, {"start": "02:13:25", "end": "02:13:31", "text": ">> Yeah. So I think synchronicity is our"}, {"start": "02:13:28", "end": "02:13:32", "text": "experience of synchronization. So when"}, {"start": "02:13:31", "end": "02:13:34", "text": "we're something synchronized whether"}, {"start": "02:13:32", "end": "02:13:36", "text": "it's our brain waves are synchronized"}, {"start": "02:13:34", "end": "02:13:38", "text": "with each other um within our mind or"}, {"start": "02:13:36", "end": "02:13:40", "text": "within our brains or within my brain and"}, {"start": "02:13:38", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "your brain or our movements are"}, {"start": "02:13:40", "end": "02:13:44", "text": "synchronized. Our blinks are like when"}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:46", "text": "we're looking at each other right now"}, {"start": "02:13:44", "end": "02:13:47", "text": "our blinks are getting synchronized. Our"}, {"start": "02:13:46", "end": "02:13:49", "text": "respirations are getting synchronized."}, {"start": "02:13:47", "end": "02:13:51", "text": "Our movements we're both nodding our"}, {"start": "02:13:49", "end": "02:13:55", "text": "heads. It's just unconscious stuff that"}, {"start": "02:13:51", "end": "02:13:58", "text": "helps us connect, right? Um, then I"}, {"start": "02:13:55", "end": "02:14:01", "text": "think more synchronicities happen."}, {"start": "02:13:58", "end": "02:14:04", "text": "So I think that is it's almost like when"}, {"start": "02:14:01", "end": "02:14:08", "text": "we were talking about theformational"}, {"start": "02:14:04", "end": "02:14:11", "text": "substrate coming up and showing us"}, {"start": "02:14:08", "end": "02:14:13", "text": "through our individuation that once"}, {"start": "02:14:11", "end": "02:14:16", "text": "again we are connected."}, {"start": "02:14:13", "end": "02:14:18", "text": "It's like when we synchronize it's the"}, {"start": "02:14:16", "end": "02:14:22", "text": "synchronicities that show us that we're"}, {"start": "02:14:18", "end": "02:14:25", "text": "connected are going to come up. So I"}, {"start": "02:14:22", "end": "02:14:27", "text": "think it's important but it also doesn't"}, {"start": "02:14:25", "end": "02:14:29", "text": "need to be bothered with like unless you"}, {"start": "02:14:27", "end": "02:14:31", "text": "really want to study synchronization and"}, {"start": "02:14:29", "end": "02:14:33", "text": "which is amazing and there's wonderful"}, {"start": "02:14:31", "end": "02:14:34", "text": "people who do that it's just going to"}, {"start": "02:14:33", "end": "02:14:35", "text": "happen"}, {"start": "02:14:34", "end": "02:14:38", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "02:14:35", "end": "02:14:41", "text": ">> and so yeah so I just sort of like go"}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:42", "text": "straight to the next step but everyone"}, {"start": "02:14:41", "end": "02:14:43", "text": "has their point at which they're most"}, {"start": "02:14:42", "end": "02:14:47", "text": "interested in looking"}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:50", "text": ">> do you feel more synchronicity"}, {"start": "02:14:47", "end": "02:14:51", "text": "um in a certain area of your work or a"}, {"start": "02:14:50", "end": "02:14:52", "text": "certain area of your life? If do you"}, {"start": "02:14:51", "end": "02:14:56", "text": "feel like synchronicity or"}, {"start": "02:14:52", "end": "02:14:59", "text": "synchronization has ramped itself up uh"}, {"start": "02:14:56", "end": "02:15:01", "text": "apparently uh during certain times or or"}, {"start": "02:14:59", "end": "02:15:03", "text": "adversely maybe a lack of"}, {"start": "02:15:01", "end": "02:15:05", "text": "synchronization when things weren't"}, {"start": "02:15:03", "end": "02:15:06", "text": "going well. Is that ever?"}, {"start": "02:15:05", "end": "02:15:07", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:15:06", "end": "02:15:08", "text": ">> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah."}, {"start": "02:15:07", "end": "02:15:10", "text": ">> Yes. I mean when I when I talk about"}, {"start": "02:15:08", "end": "02:15:12", "text": "when anyone talks about being in the"}, {"start": "02:15:10", "end": "02:15:14", "text": "flow and and in my own personal"}, {"start": "02:15:12", "end": "02:15:17", "text": "experience of being in the flow, it's"}, {"start": "02:15:14", "end": "02:15:20", "text": "this um"}, {"start": "02:15:17", "end": "02:15:22", "text": "it's this is a synchrony between myself"}, {"start": "02:15:20", "end": "02:15:26", "text": "and myself. So everything has integrity"}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:28", "text": "in the moment. Uh it's a synchronous"}, {"start": "02:15:26", "end": "02:15:29", "text": "synchronousness or synchronization"}, {"start": "02:15:28", "end": "02:15:31", "text": "between myself and someone else. When"}, {"start": "02:15:29", "end": "02:15:34", "text": "I'm working with the team members, I'm"}, {"start": "02:15:31", "end": "02:15:37", "text": "really interested in how teams work"}, {"start": "02:15:34", "end": "02:15:39", "text": "well. And synchronizing between teams"}, {"start": "02:15:37", "end": "02:15:41", "text": "doesn't mean everyone's doing marching"}, {"start": "02:15:39", "end": "02:15:43", "text": "the same time that not that at all. It's"}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:46", "text": "more like the person who's really gifted"}, {"start": "02:15:43", "end": "02:15:48", "text": "at X. So like on your podcast team, the"}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:49", "text": "person who's really gifted at video"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:51", "text": "editing and the person who's really"}, {"start": "02:15:49", "end": "02:15:53", "text": "gifted at dealing with the guest and the"}, {"start": "02:15:51", "end": "02:15:56", "text": "person who's really gifted at figuring"}, {"start": "02:15:53", "end": "02:15:59", "text": "out what is going to be a stupid topic"}, {"start": "02:15:56", "end": "02:16:00", "text": "and a great topic. synchronization"}, {"start": "02:15:59", "end": "02:16:02", "text": "there. Obviously, you can't do the same"}, {"start": "02:16:00", "end": "02:16:06", "text": "thing. Your tasks are different, but"}, {"start": "02:16:02", "end": "02:16:08", "text": "there's a feeling of right action at the"}, {"start": "02:16:06", "end": "02:16:10", "text": "right time that occurs"}, {"start": "02:16:08", "end": "02:16:14", "text": "when a team is buzzing along,"}, {"start": "02:16:10", "end": "02:16:16", "text": ">> right? And so, yeah, in that case, u"}, {"start": "02:16:14", "end": "02:16:18", "text": "synchronicity would or synchronization"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:19", "text": "would be more frequent when things are"}, {"start": "02:16:18", "end": "02:16:21", "text": "going well obviously."}, {"start": "02:16:19", "end": "02:16:22", "text": ">> Yeah. And then synchronicities would"}, {"start": "02:16:21", "end": "02:16:24", "text": "occur and synchronicity is here defined"}, {"start": "02:16:22", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "in the Yian sense of"}, {"start": "02:16:24", "end": "02:16:28", "text": ">> Yeah. things that seem to appear"}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:30", "text": "completely"}, {"start": "02:16:28", "end": "02:16:32", "text": "disconnected but end up having great"}, {"start": "02:16:30", "end": "02:16:33", "text": "meaning when put together."}, {"start": "02:16:32", "end": "02:16:36", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly."}, {"start": "02:16:33", "end": "02:16:38", "text": ">> A coincidence with a lot of meaning. Um"}, {"start": "02:16:36", "end": "02:16:40", "text": "yeah, because I I often I have certain"}, {"start": "02:16:38", "end": "02:16:43", "text": "synchronicity engines in my life. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:16:40", "end": "02:16:43", "text": ">> That I purposely uh insert."}, {"start": "02:16:43", "end": "02:16:44", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:16:43", "end": "02:16:46", "text": ">> like what?"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:48", "text": ">> Um so I have one which is just an app"}, {"start": "02:16:46", "end": "02:16:50", "text": "and it's an app that sends me a new word"}, {"start": "02:16:48", "end": "02:16:52", "text": "every hour that I want to learn. It's"}, {"start": "02:16:50", "end": "02:16:54", "text": "just random words, but the words are"}, {"start": "02:16:52", "end": "02:16:56", "text": "like words that you normally wouldn't"}, {"start": "02:16:54", "end": "02:16:58", "text": "use in conversation that are quite, you"}, {"start": "02:16:56", "end": "02:16:59", "text": "know, maybe complex or maybe very"}, {"start": "02:16:58", "end": "02:17:00", "text": "specific words."}, {"start": "02:16:59", "end": "02:17:02", "text": ">> What's the most recent word?"}, {"start": "02:17:00", "end": "02:17:03", "text": ">> I [snorts] can check right now."}, {"start": "02:17:02", "end": "02:17:03", "text": ">> We'll find out if there's a"}, {"start": "02:17:03", "end": "02:17:06", "text": "synchronicity."}, {"start": "02:17:03", "end": "02:17:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh, bombastic,"}, {"start": "02:17:06", "end": "02:17:08", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:17:07", "end": "02:17:10", "text": "excessively confident and pompous."}, {"start": "02:17:08", "end": "02:17:13", "text": ">> Oh, am I like that?"}, {"start": "02:17:10", "end": "02:17:14", "text": ">> No, I I wouldn't say so at all. Um, but"}, {"start": "02:17:13", "end": "02:17:17", "text": "these are these are the type of things"}, {"start": "02:17:14", "end": "02:17:19", "text": "that I'll get on the hour and not"}, {"start": "02:17:17", "end": "02:17:20", "text": "always, but I'll get a notification. I"}, {"start": "02:17:19", "end": "02:17:21", "text": "don't have very many notifications, but"}, {"start": "02:17:20", "end": "02:17:22", "text": "that one's on."}, {"start": "02:17:21", "end": "02:17:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:17:22", "end": "02:17:25", "text": ">> And so sometimes in the throws of a"}, {"start": "02:17:24", "end": "02:17:27", "text": "conversation, I'll get a notification."}, {"start": "02:17:25", "end": "02:17:27", "text": "I'll just glance at my phone to see what"}, {"start": "02:17:27", "end": "02:17:28", "text": "the word is."}, {"start": "02:17:27", "end": "02:17:30", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:17:28", "end": "02:17:32", "text": ">> And sometimes it'll be very synchronous"}, {"start": "02:17:30", "end": "02:17:35", "text": "to what we're what we're talking about."}, {"start": "02:17:32", "end": "02:17:36", "text": "And I've learned that if I follow up on"}, {"start": "02:17:35", "end": "02:17:36", "text": "that"}, {"start": "02:17:36", "end": "02:17:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:17:36", "end": "02:17:40", "text": ">> in terms of my attitude or my decision-"}, {"start": "02:17:39", "end": "02:17:42", "text": "making."}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:47", "text": ">> Yeah. at least personally that it uh it"}, {"start": "02:17:42", "end": "02:17:50", "text": "always favors like um a more I guess I"}, {"start": "02:17:47", "end": "02:17:52", "text": "favor whimsy in my life generally"}, {"start": "02:17:50", "end": "02:17:54", "text": ">> and so when something whimsical like a"}, {"start": "02:17:52", "end": "02:17:57", "text": "synchronicity pops up I tend to alter my"}, {"start": "02:17:54", "end": "02:17:58", "text": "course to favor the synchronicity."}, {"start": "02:17:57", "end": "02:18:00", "text": ">> Yeah, me too."}, {"start": "02:17:58", "end": "02:18:02", "text": ">> I say that it's not an absolute but"}, {"start": "02:18:00", "end": "02:18:04", "text": ">> so I have a built-in thing like that. I"}, {"start": "02:18:02", "end": "02:18:07", "text": "made and made it for other people too. I"}, {"start": "02:18:04", "end": "02:18:08", "text": "do this um biblommancy, you know. Oh"}, {"start": "02:18:07", "end": "02:18:11", "text": "yeah. Yeah. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:18:08", "end": "02:18:14", "text": ">> but then I made I took my book and I"}, {"start": "02:18:11", "end": "02:18:16", "text": "asked my friend Paulie Washburn to make"}, {"start": "02:18:14", "end": "02:18:19", "text": "code for my website where it could turn"}, {"start": "02:18:16", "end": "02:18:21", "text": "my book into an oracle. So you put in"}, {"start": "02:18:19", "end": "02:18:23", "text": "your question, it ignores the question"}, {"start": "02:18:21", "end": "02:18:24", "text": "completely and just randomly chooses a"}, {"start": "02:18:23", "end": "02:18:28", "text": "number of sentences from the book and"}, {"start": "02:18:24", "end": "02:18:30", "text": "and strings them together. And it's so"}, {"start": "02:18:28", "end": "02:18:31", "text": "ridiculously for me"}, {"start": "02:18:30", "end": "02:18:33", "text": ">> sometimes insightful"}, {"start": "02:18:31", "end": "02:18:35", "text": ">> like always like and I don't know if"}, {"start": "02:18:33", "end": "02:18:36", "text": "that's because I wrote the book and"}, {"start": "02:18:35", "end": "02:18:38", "text": "these are my words coming back to me but"}, {"start": "02:18:36", "end": "02:18:41", "text": "it's just shocking but then other people"}, {"start": "02:18:38", "end": "02:18:42", "text": "are trying it and anyway um"}, {"start": "02:18:41", "end": "02:18:43", "text": ">> that's why I have that that book wall"}, {"start": "02:18:42", "end": "02:18:44", "text": "that you saw over there."}, {"start": "02:18:43", "end": "02:18:48", "text": ">> Yes. Biblomancy."}, {"start": "02:18:44", "end": "02:18:50", "text": ">> So I uh when filming um B-roll Yeah."}, {"start": "02:18:48", "end": "02:18:51", "text": ">> Uh for an episode or whatever like we"}, {"start": "02:18:50", "end": "02:18:54", "text": "we've been playing around with like just"}, {"start": "02:18:51", "end": "02:18:54", "text": "filming and like you'll come across the"}, {"start": "02:18:54", "end": "02:18:55", "text": "word you were looking for."}, {"start": "02:18:54", "end": "02:18:58", "text": ">> Yeah. That's fantastic."}, {"start": "02:18:55", "end": "02:18:59", "text": ">> Like Yeah. Yeah. So that's so but to me"}, {"start": "02:18:58", "end": "02:19:01", "text": "that's just a demonstration of"}, {"start": "02:18:59", "end": "02:19:02", "text": "thisformational substrate saying you"}, {"start": "02:19:01", "end": "02:19:03", "text": "know"}, {"start": "02:19:02", "end": "02:19:04", "text": ">> hi there free sample."}, {"start": "02:19:03", "end": "02:19:04", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly."}, {"start": "02:19:04", "end": "02:19:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:19:04", "end": "02:19:11", "text": ">> Yeah. And I also have found that if I"}, {"start": "02:19:08", "end": "02:19:13", "text": "stop seeing synchronization"}, {"start": "02:19:11", "end": "02:19:14", "text": "uh it's it's a a subtle signal for me to"}, {"start": "02:19:13", "end": "02:19:15", "text": "maybe change course as well."}, {"start": "02:19:14", "end": "02:19:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:19:15", "end": "02:19:18", "text": ">> Um so if I if I stop seeing it like if"}, {"start": "02:19:17", "end": "02:19:20", "text": "I'm everything synchronous and all of a"}, {"start": "02:19:18", "end": "02:19:22", "text": "sudden things aren't synchronizing"}, {"start": "02:19:20", "end": "02:19:23", "text": ">> like what's happening? Can we get back?"}, {"start": "02:19:22", "end": "02:19:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. And I'm looking at my I'm"}, {"start": "02:19:23", "end": "02:19:27", "text": "looking at my clock and it's 11:12."}, {"start": "02:19:25", "end": "02:19:29", "text": ">> Yeah. and I go, \"Well, yeah, that was a"}, {"start": "02:19:27", "end": "02:19:31", "text": "minute off there. Something's off.\" You"}, {"start": "02:19:29", "end": "02:19:32", "text": "know, and I'll just I'll take it"}, {"start": "02:19:31", "end": "02:19:34", "text": "lightly. I won't make, you know, great"}, {"start": "02:19:32", "end": "02:19:36", "text": "life decisions based on these things."}, {"start": "02:19:34", "end": "02:19:38", "text": "But subtly, I will perhaps, you know,"}, {"start": "02:19:36", "end": "02:19:40", "text": "steer the course a little bit and until"}, {"start": "02:19:38", "end": "02:19:43", "text": "it picks up again."}, {"start": "02:19:40", "end": "02:19:45", "text": ">> Might also be psychosis, but uh I I tend"}, {"start": "02:19:43", "end": "02:19:48", "text": "to favor whimsy."}, {"start": "02:19:45", "end": "02:19:50", "text": ">> Yeah. Whimsy and psychosis, I think. So,"}, {"start": "02:19:48", "end": "02:19:52", "text": "the problem is that they seem similar,"}, {"start": "02:19:50", "end": "02:19:53", "text": "but psychosis is really a negative"}, {"start": "02:19:52", "end": "02:19:54", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:19:55", "text": ">> Absolutely. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:19:54", "end": "02:19:56", "text": ">> Whimsy is a positive experience."}, {"start": "02:19:55", "end": "02:19:58", "text": "Definitely. Yes."}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:20:03", "text": ">> All right, let's go here. Great"}, {"start": "02:19:58", "end": "02:20:03", "text": "question, JKP. Thank you."}, {"start": "02:20:03", "end": "02:20:08", "text": ">> This is a doozy."}, {"start": "02:20:06", "end": "02:20:09", "text": ">> I love this thing."}, {"start": "02:20:08", "end": "02:20:11", "text": ">> This is great, right?"}, {"start": "02:20:09", "end": "02:20:13", "text": ">> It's like the universe revealing itself."}, {"start": "02:20:11", "end": "02:20:14", "text": "This is so cool."}, {"start": "02:20:13", "end": "02:20:16", "text": ">> This is from Tess. Great question. What"}, {"start": "02:20:14", "end": "02:20:18", "text": "is your functional understanding of the"}, {"start": "02:20:16", "end": "02:20:20", "text": "fourth dimension? This might be where we"}, {"start": "02:20:18", "end": "02:20:23", "text": "use the the pad if you need it, but um"}, {"start": "02:20:20", "end": "02:20:26", "text": "yeah. Well, the fourth dimension in"}, {"start": "02:20:23", "end": "02:20:28", "text": "physics is just supposed to be time."}, {"start": "02:20:26", "end": "02:20:32", "text": "Um, it doesn't behave like the other"}, {"start": "02:20:28", "end": "02:20:34", "text": "dimensions if if you're some physicists"}, {"start": "02:20:32", "end": "02:20:36", "text": "because you're not only supposed to be"}, {"start": "02:20:34", "end": "02:20:38", "text": "able to go in one direction. If you're"}, {"start": "02:20:36", "end": "02:20:40", "text": "other physicists, you don't care about"}, {"start": "02:20:38", "end": "02:20:42", "text": "that and it's time reversal because"}, {"start": "02:20:40", "end": "02:20:44", "text": "reversible because most physics"}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:46", "text": "equations are time reversible. So, it's"}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:48", "text": "just orthogonal, which means it's not on"}, {"start": "02:20:46", "end": "02:20:51", "text": "the same going in the same direction as"}, {"start": "02:20:48", "end": "02:20:53", "text": "the other three dimensions of space. So,"}, {"start": "02:20:51", "end": "02:20:59", "text": "that's sort of the classical fourth"}, {"start": "02:20:53", "end": "02:21:02", "text": "dimension. Um, I bet you're"}, {"start": "02:20:59", "end": "02:21:04", "text": "Oh, I bet you're also asking, does the"}, {"start": "02:21:02", "end": "02:21:07", "text": "fourth dimension unfold the three"}, {"start": "02:21:04", "end": "02:21:09", "text": "dimensions of space? Um, in other words,"}, {"start": "02:21:07", "end": "02:21:11", "text": "is the reason why I don't know why I"}, {"start": "02:21:09", "end": "02:21:13", "text": "think you're asking this. It's just a"}, {"start": "02:21:11", "end": "02:21:17", "text": "psychic test. I'm sorry if that's wrong,"}, {"start": "02:21:13", "end": "02:21:18", "text": "but we don't know why it should seem"}, {"start": "02:21:17", "end": "02:21:21", "text": "like you could only go in one direction"}, {"start": "02:21:18", "end": "02:21:23", "text": "in the fourth. That just behaves very"}, {"start": "02:21:21", "end": "02:21:25", "text": "differently from the other dimensions of"}, {"start": "02:21:23", "end": "02:21:27", "text": "space. You know, I can go to the left or"}, {"start": "02:21:25", "end": "02:21:29", "text": "the right. I can go up or down, but then"}, {"start": "02:21:27", "end": "02:21:30", "text": "there's this one dimension that's like"}, {"start": "02:21:29", "end": "02:21:32", "text": "you can't go in this one direction, but"}, {"start": "02:21:30", "end": "02:21:33", "text": "you can go in the other and it and"}, {"start": "02:21:32", "end": "02:21:35", "text": "you're kind of like only at certain"}, {"start": "02:21:33", "end": "02:21:36", "text": "times and only at a certain speed. It"}, {"start": "02:21:35", "end": "02:21:38", "text": "just seems kind of wonky like it's not a"}, {"start": "02:21:36", "end": "02:21:40", "text": "real dimension or it doesn't behave in"}, {"start": "02:21:38", "end": "02:21:42", "text": "the same way. So, one explanation is"}, {"start": "02:21:40", "end": "02:21:45", "text": "that if you're a spatialist, you might"}, {"start": "02:21:42", "end": "02:21:49", "text": "think time is really just some kind of"}, {"start": "02:21:45", "end": "02:21:51", "text": "folded spatial dimension, but I'm kind"}, {"start": "02:21:49", "end": "02:21:54", "text": "of a temporal person. So, I think the"}, {"start": "02:21:51", "end": "02:21:55", "text": "whole thing came up from time and it's"}, {"start": "02:21:54", "end": "02:21:58", "text": "not the fourth dimension at all. And"}, {"start": "02:21:55", "end": "02:22:00", "text": "what created these dimensions is time."}, {"start": "02:21:58", "end": "02:22:01", "text": "And so, like time is one of these"}, {"start": "02:22:00", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "foundational pieces."}, {"start": "02:22:01", "end": "02:22:05", "text": ">> Time is what created the physical"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:07", "text": "reality. Well, informationational"}, {"start": "02:22:05", "end": "02:22:09", "text": "substrate created physical reality,"}, {"start": "02:22:07", "end": "02:22:12", "text": ">> but the physical reality"}, {"start": "02:22:09", "end": "02:22:12", "text": ">> the physical reality includes spaceime."}, {"start": "02:22:12", "end": "02:22:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:22:12", "end": "02:22:16", "text": ">> And includes matter and energy, right?"}, {"start": "02:22:14", "end": "02:22:19", "text": "And so"}, {"start": "02:22:16", "end": "02:22:22", "text": "informationational substrate."}, {"start": "02:22:19", "end": "02:22:24", "text": "It's almost like there's layers and"}, {"start": "02:22:22", "end": "02:22:25", "text": "space of spaceime. Time was the first"}, {"start": "02:22:24", "end": "02:22:26", "text": "created"}, {"start": "02:22:25", "end": "02:22:28", "text": ">> and then created space."}, {"start": "02:22:26", "end": "02:22:30", "text": ">> So the fourth dimension would be perhaps"}, {"start": "02:22:28", "end": "02:22:33", "text": "the absence of time."}, {"start": "02:22:30", "end": "02:22:37", "text": ">> Oh, that's cool. Sure. I was thinking"}, {"start": "02:22:33", "end": "02:22:39", "text": "the fourth dimension would be um like"}, {"start": "02:22:37", "end": "02:22:41", "text": "information"}, {"start": "02:22:39", "end": "02:22:43", "text": ">> which is also not beholden."}, {"start": "02:22:41", "end": "02:22:44", "text": ">> Yes. Which plays by different rules."}, {"start": "02:22:43", "end": "02:22:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:22:44", "end": "02:22:52", "text": ">> Yeah. And and then maybe a fifth"}, {"start": "02:22:48", "end": "02:22:53", "text": "dimension would be time. It depends on"}, {"start": "02:22:52", "end": "02:22:57", "text": "how you want to think about what"}, {"start": "02:22:53", "end": "02:22:58", "text": "dimensions mean. So really I think the"}, {"start": "02:22:57", "end": "02:23:02", "text": "question is"}, {"start": "02:22:58", "end": "02:23:04", "text": "how do dimensions work? And I think"}, {"start": "02:23:02", "end": "02:23:06", "text": "there's a like the string theory people"}, {"start": "02:23:04", "end": "02:23:08", "text": "really think differently than the"}, {"start": "02:23:06", "end": "02:23:11", "text": "standard physics people."}, {"start": "02:23:08", "end": "02:23:13", "text": "The way I think of it is dimensions are"}, {"start": "02:23:11", "end": "02:23:16", "text": "only useful to think about with space"}, {"start": "02:23:13", "end": "02:23:18", "text": "because literally dimension"}, {"start": "02:23:16", "end": "02:23:19", "text": ">> is [clears throat] about space. And so"}, {"start": "02:23:18", "end": "02:23:22", "text": "when you start talking about dimensions"}, {"start": "02:23:19", "end": "02:23:24", "text": "that aren't space like information or um"}, {"start": "02:23:22", "end": "02:23:26", "text": "time,"}, {"start": "02:23:24", "end": "02:23:27", "text": "I think it's better to talk about them"}, {"start": "02:23:26", "end": "02:23:29", "text": "as geometry like this is really like a"}, {"start": "02:23:27", "end": "02:23:33", "text": "geometry"}, {"start": "02:23:29", "end": "02:23:36", "text": "um because it has these particular rules"}, {"start": "02:23:33", "end": "02:23:38", "text": "or these particular angles. So I guess"}, {"start": "02:23:36", "end": "02:23:39", "text": "the answer to real answer to your"}, {"start": "02:23:38", "end": "02:23:41", "text": "question is my functional understanding"}, {"start": "02:23:39", "end": "02:23:43", "text": "of the fourth dimension is not very"}, {"start": "02:23:41", "end": "02:23:43", "text": "good."}, {"start": "02:23:43", "end": "02:23:45", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:23:43", "end": "02:23:47", "text": ">> Fair enough."}, {"start": "02:23:45", "end": "02:23:49", "text": "All right, we got a question here from"}, {"start": "02:23:47", "end": "02:23:49", "text": "Slug."}, {"start": "02:23:49", "end": "02:23:50", "text": ">> Excellent."}, {"start": "02:23:49", "end": "02:23:51", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:23:50", "end": "02:23:54", "text": ">> I saw Slug today."}, {"start": "02:23:51", "end": "02:23:55", "text": ">> That is his real name. Um, [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:23:54", "end": "02:23:57", "text": ">> you know this?"}, {"start": "02:23:55", "end": "02:24:00", "text": ">> No, he's it's just an actual slug asking"}, {"start": "02:23:57", "end": "02:24:04", "text": "a question."}, {"start": "02:24:00", "end": "02:24:07", "text": ">> If you had a$100 million tomorrow, which"}, {"start": "02:24:04", "end": "02:24:08", "text": "venture gets it and why? [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:24:07", "end": "02:24:10", "text": ">> A slug."}, {"start": "02:24:08", "end": "02:24:11", "text": ">> Interesting existential question from a"}, {"start": "02:24:10", "end": "02:24:13", "text": "slug."}, {"start": "02:24:11", "end": "02:24:14", "text": ">> I would take that 100 million and put it"}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:16", "text": "into my own company."}, {"start": "02:24:14", "end": "02:24:18", "text": "two actually my two companies so"}, {"start": "02:24:16", "end": "02:24:20", "text": "American electronamics my startup that"}, {"start": "02:24:18", "end": "02:24:23", "text": "is trying to make thisformational"}, {"start": "02:24:20", "end": "02:24:25", "text": "essentially time machine um and then"}, {"start": "02:24:23", "end": "02:24:28", "text": "half of it and then the other half into"}, {"start": "02:24:25", "end": "02:24:29", "text": "my nonprofit applied love labs which is"}, {"start": "02:24:28", "end": "02:24:31", "text": "trying to build technology to help"}, {"start": "02:24:29", "end": "02:24:36", "text": "people experience unconditional love and"}, {"start": "02:24:31", "end": "02:24:38", "text": "use that to get beyond um beyond our"}, {"start": "02:24:36", "end": "02:24:38", "text": "limitations and move towards human"}, {"start": "02:24:38", "end": "02:24:40", "text": "potential."}, {"start": "02:24:38", "end": "02:24:42", "text": ">> I'm very interested in this. What's"}, {"start": "02:24:40", "end": "02:24:44", "text": "what's the the proposed technology that"}, {"start": "02:24:42", "end": "02:24:45", "text": "allows that to happen?"}, {"start": "02:24:44", "end": "02:24:46", "text": ">> Unconditional love or time travel."}, {"start": "02:24:45", "end": "02:24:48", "text": ">> Unconditional love."}, {"start": "02:24:46", "end": "02:24:48", "text": ">> Yeah, obviously the time travel one."}, {"start": "02:24:48", "end": "02:24:49", "text": "That's easy."}, {"start": "02:24:48", "end": "02:24:50", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. We've gotten past that"}, {"start": "02:24:49", "end": "02:24:51", "text": "already. I think we solved that during"}, {"start": "02:24:50", "end": "02:24:55", "text": "this podcast."}, {"start": "02:24:51", "end": "02:24:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. Um unconditional love. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:24:55", "end": "02:25:02", "text": "So, we started at like in uh 2019. And I"}, {"start": "02:24:59", "end": "02:25:04", "text": "started this nonprofit because I was"}, {"start": "02:25:02", "end": "02:25:05", "text": "having this experience"}, {"start": "02:25:04", "end": "02:25:08", "text": "of remembering what it was like for me"}, {"start": "02:25:05", "end": "02:25:10", "text": "as a kid in this really rough household"}, {"start": "02:25:08", "end": "02:25:12", "text": "where I had these very loving parents."}, {"start": "02:25:10", "end": "02:25:15", "text": "Like unconditional love was present. I"}, {"start": "02:25:12", "end": "02:25:18", "text": "could feel it almost like a force. But"}, {"start": "02:25:15", "end": "02:25:20", "text": "there was so much dysfunction. There was"}, {"start": "02:25:18", "end": "02:25:23", "text": "abuse. There's neglect and mental"}, {"start": "02:25:20", "end": "02:25:25", "text": "illness going on. And um there my my"}, {"start": "02:25:23", "end": "02:25:27", "text": "father had uh obsessivempulsive"}, {"start": "02:25:25", "end": "02:25:29", "text": "disorder. And I'm not going to go into"}, {"start": "02:25:27", "end": "02:25:31", "text": "too depth for anyone who might have been"}, {"start": "02:25:29", "end": "02:25:34", "text": "traumatized in this particular way, but"}, {"start": "02:25:31", "end": "02:25:37", "text": "he would um every night he would do this"}, {"start": "02:25:34", "end": "02:25:40", "text": "particular he would act out a ritual on"}, {"start": "02:25:37", "end": "02:25:42", "text": "myself and my sister um that didn't on"}, {"start": "02:25:40", "end": "02:25:46", "text": "the face of it seem sexual, but it did"}, {"start": "02:25:42", "end": "02:25:48", "text": "sort of seem sexual. Um and"}, {"start": "02:25:46", "end": "02:25:50", "text": "that was hard cuz I was helpless and I"}, {"start": "02:25:48", "end": "02:25:52", "text": "really worked on not dissociating. And"}, {"start": "02:25:50", "end": "02:25:55", "text": "one of the things I remember"}, {"start": "02:25:52", "end": "02:25:56", "text": "experiencing was that there was a"}, {"start": "02:25:55", "end": "02:25:58", "text": "rocking chair near my bed. It wasn't"}, {"start": "02:25:56", "end": "02:26:00", "text": "even a real rocking chair, but in my"}, {"start": "02:25:58", "end": "02:26:02", "text": "mind's eye, it was a real rocking chair."}, {"start": "02:26:00", "end": "02:26:05", "text": "And um there was this woman in her like"}, {"start": "02:26:02", "end": "02:26:08", "text": "40s or 50s with dark hair who was"}, {"start": "02:26:05", "end": "02:26:10", "text": "telling me it's okay to be angry. He"}, {"start": "02:26:08", "end": "02:26:15", "text": "doesn't know what he's doing. He's not"}, {"start": "02:26:10", "end": "02:26:16", "text": "um in his right mind, you know, and but"}, {"start": "02:26:15", "end": "02:26:18", "text": "it's fine to be angry. and someday"}, {"start": "02:26:16", "end": "02:26:20", "text": "you're going to thrive"}, {"start": "02:26:18", "end": "02:26:22", "text": "and and you're actually going to be like"}, {"start": "02:26:20", "end": "02:26:25", "text": "more than okay."}, {"start": "02:26:22", "end": "02:26:27", "text": "And it was a really loving"}, {"start": "02:26:25", "end": "02:26:31", "text": "thing. And I realized later when I was"}, {"start": "02:26:27", "end": "02:26:33", "text": "in my 40s and went through therapy that"}, {"start": "02:26:31", "end": "02:26:36", "text": "um my 30s and 40s and went through"}, {"start": "02:26:33", "end": "02:26:38", "text": "therapy and then my therapist had me do"}, {"start": "02:26:36", "end": "02:26:40", "text": "like a little time travel narrative we"}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:42", "text": "call it in the therapy world um and had"}, {"start": "02:26:40", "end": "02:26:44", "text": "me go back and hold my hand and talk to"}, {"start": "02:26:42", "end": "02:26:46", "text": "myself. I realized that that was me in"}, {"start": "02:26:44", "end": "02:26:48", "text": "the chair."}, {"start": "02:26:46", "end": "02:26:51", "text": "And I and at that point at then I"}, {"start": "02:26:48", "end": "02:26:52", "text": "couldn't remember if I actually did for"}, {"start": "02:26:51", "end": "02:26:54", "text": "real have this experience as a child or"}, {"start": "02:26:52", "end": "02:26:56", "text": "if it was fabricated from the therapy."}, {"start": "02:26:54", "end": "02:26:59", "text": "And I didn't care because it was"}, {"start": "02:26:56", "end": "02:27:01", "text": "incredibly healing this experience of"}, {"start": "02:26:59", "end": "02:27:04", "text": "connecting across time with myself. And"}, {"start": "02:27:01", "end": "02:27:06", "text": "I was like I'm connecting with love"}, {"start": "02:27:04", "end": "02:27:08", "text": "across time. I want to create an"}, {"start": "02:27:06", "end": "02:27:10", "text": "organization that's going to help people"}, {"start": "02:27:08", "end": "02:27:12", "text": "do this because I know it's powerful and"}, {"start": "02:27:10", "end": "02:27:14", "text": "I want to scale it. So, I got a grant"}, {"start": "02:27:12", "end": "02:27:16", "text": "from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation,"}, {"start": "02:27:14", "end": "02:27:18", "text": "which is a big health foundation, to"}, {"start": "02:27:16", "end": "02:27:20", "text": "create a technology that would help"}, {"start": "02:27:18", "end": "02:27:23", "text": "people do this and to measure whether it"}, {"start": "02:27:20", "end": "02:27:24", "text": "was helpful. And we did. We call it Time"}, {"start": "02:27:23", "end": "02:27:26", "text": "Machine. You can go to it at"}, {"start": "02:27:24", "end": "02:27:28", "text": "timeachine.lo. It's very simple. It's"}, {"start": "02:27:26", "end": "02:27:30", "text": "something that you could code up now in"}, {"start": "02:27:28", "end": "02:27:34", "text": "like a day on Claude, but it took a"}, {"start": "02:27:30", "end": "02:27:36", "text": "while back in the day. And um we showed"}, {"start": "02:27:34", "end": "02:27:41", "text": "that if people worked at it for we had"}, {"start": "02:27:36", "end": "02:27:43", "text": "them do it for 10 days um they the"}, {"start": "02:27:41", "end": "02:27:44", "text": "people who had early childhood trauma"}, {"start": "02:27:43", "end": "02:27:46", "text": "that was severe"}, {"start": "02:27:44", "end": "02:27:48", "text": ">> improved to the point of people who"}, {"start": "02:27:46", "end": "02:27:50", "text": "didn't have early childhood trauma in"}, {"start": "02:27:48", "end": "02:27:53", "text": "terms of their overall well-being."}, {"start": "02:27:50", "end": "02:27:55", "text": ">> So they really benefited. They everyone"}, {"start": "02:27:53", "end": "02:27:58", "text": "improved but the people who were much"}, {"start": "02:27:55", "end": "02:28:01", "text": "worse off at the beginning"}, {"start": "02:27:58", "end": "02:28:03", "text": ">> uh just did a lot better. So um so it"}, {"start": "02:28:01", "end": "02:28:04", "text": "really worked. So then I'm like, all"}, {"start": "02:28:03", "end": "02:28:07", "text": "right, what other technologies can we"}, {"start": "02:28:04", "end": "02:28:09", "text": "build to help people like get in love"}, {"start": "02:28:07", "end": "02:28:11", "text": "with themselves to bring this bubble of"}, {"start": "02:28:09", "end": "02:28:14", "text": "love around themselves and others, you"}, {"start": "02:28:11", "end": "02:28:17", "text": "know, because this is healing."}, {"start": "02:28:14", "end": "02:28:19", "text": ">> Like this is actually in my worldview"}, {"start": "02:28:17", "end": "02:28:22", "text": "what everyone from the biggest"}, {"start": "02:28:19", "end": "02:28:24", "text": "billionaires to the person on the street"}, {"start": "02:28:22", "end": "02:28:26", "text": "who's trying to get their next, you"}, {"start": "02:28:24", "end": "02:28:29", "text": "know, heroin hit, everyone's looking for"}, {"start": "02:28:26", "end": "02:28:31", "text": "love. And in fact, I mention heroin hit"}, {"start": "02:28:29", "end": "02:28:34", "text": "advisedly. There's a really great study"}, {"start": "02:28:31", "end": "02:28:37", "text": "out about universal love showing that"}, {"start": "02:28:34", "end": "02:28:38", "text": "when people uh when they had introduced"}, {"start": "02:28:37", "end": "02:28:41", "text": "people to universal love and had them do"}, {"start": "02:28:38", "end": "02:28:43", "text": "these universal love meditations who"}, {"start": "02:28:41", "end": "02:28:44", "text": "were opio opioid addicts, they were less"}, {"start": "02:28:43", "end": "02:28:48", "text": "likely to reuse. I mean there's"}, {"start": "02:28:44", "end": "02:28:50", "text": "something about love as a healing a real"}, {"start": "02:28:48", "end": "02:28:52", "text": "healing tool. So scaling that."}, {"start": "02:28:50", "end": "02:28:53", "text": ">> So what other technologies can we use?"}, {"start": "02:28:52", "end": "02:28:55", "text": "So we we created a technology where you"}, {"start": "02:28:53", "end": "02:28:57", "text": "just look at someone's eyes without any"}, {"start": "02:28:55", "end": "02:28:59", "text": "with with an unconditional love"}, {"start": "02:28:57", "end": "02:29:02", "text": "meditation but you can't speak to them."}, {"start": "02:28:59", "end": "02:29:04", "text": "It's a stranger you've never met before."}, {"start": "02:29:02", "end": "02:29:09", "text": "We want to give it to like Israelis and"}, {"start": "02:29:04", "end": "02:29:12", "text": "Gazins. Um we want to give it to"}, {"start": "02:29:09", "end": "02:29:14", "text": "um red states and blue states. I mean it"}, {"start": "02:29:12", "end": "02:29:18", "text": "just it's a way of just not knowing who"}, {"start": "02:29:14", "end": "02:29:21", "text": "that person is and learning how to wrap"}, {"start": "02:29:18", "end": "02:29:23", "text": "both of you in this loving state. So it"}, {"start": "02:29:21", "end": "02:29:24", "text": "goes on like that. There's a technology"}, {"start": "02:29:23", "end": "02:29:27", "text": "I can't talk about that we're developing"}, {"start": "02:29:24", "end": "02:29:29", "text": "with with a group called the micelorium."}, {"start": "02:29:27", "end": "02:29:31", "text": "They take ideas and they turn them into"}, {"start": "02:29:29", "end": "02:29:32", "text": "technologies that can help people. It's"}, {"start": "02:29:31", "end": "02:29:34", "text": "very cool."}, {"start": "02:29:32", "end": "02:29:37", "text": ">> Very cool. That sounds very interesting."}, {"start": "02:29:34", "end": "02:29:39", "text": "And and uh also when I was at Monroe,"}, {"start": "02:29:37", "end": "02:29:41", "text": "there was a brief talk because they"}, {"start": "02:29:39", "end": "02:29:44", "text": "they'd also mentioned something uh along"}, {"start": "02:29:41", "end": "02:29:47", "text": "the lines of, you know, meditating on"}, {"start": "02:29:44", "end": "02:29:50", "text": "your past trauma, going back uh healing"}, {"start": "02:29:47", "end": "02:29:52", "text": "yourself. Um, one thing they would do is"}, {"start": "02:29:50", "end": "02:29:54", "text": "have you go back to this like whether"}, {"start": "02:29:52", "end": "02:29:56", "text": "it's traumatic or whether it was just an"}, {"start": "02:29:54", "end": "02:29:58", "text": "event you would rather have a different"}, {"start": "02:29:56", "end": "02:29:59", "text": "outcome to and live the different"}, {"start": "02:29:58", "end": "02:29:59", "text": "outcome."}, {"start": "02:29:59", "end": "02:30:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:29:59", "end": "02:30:02", "text": ">> Like completely like make the other"}, {"start": "02:30:01", "end": "02:30:04", "text": "decision. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:30:02", "end": "02:30:05", "text": ">> So you made this decision. Okay. Go back"}, {"start": "02:30:04", "end": "02:30:05", "text": "and make the other one and play it out."}, {"start": "02:30:05", "end": "02:30:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:30:05", "end": "02:30:08", "text": ">> And you do that and and from that you"}, {"start": "02:30:07", "end": "02:30:08", "text": "would feel better."}, {"start": "02:30:08", "end": "02:30:11", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:30:08", "end": "02:30:12", "text": ">> And and it it isn't you know you could"}, {"start": "02:30:11", "end": "02:30:14", "text": "you could also say that well that's"}, {"start": "02:30:12", "end": "02:30:15", "text": "delusional. We're like okay but I feel"}, {"start": "02:30:14", "end": "02:30:16", "text": "better."}, {"start": "02:30:15", "end": "02:30:18", "text": ">> Yeah. That's the thing."}, {"start": "02:30:16", "end": "02:30:20", "text": ">> Who cares? It's been the past."}, {"start": "02:30:18", "end": "02:30:22", "text": ">> It really matters how people feel. And"}, {"start": "02:30:20", "end": "02:30:24", "text": "so we've been in this behaviorist"}, {"start": "02:30:22", "end": "02:30:26", "text": "tradition that says that doesn't matter."}, {"start": "02:30:24", "end": "02:30:27", "text": "Only things that are, you know, apparent"}, {"start": "02:30:26", "end": "02:30:27", "text": "on the outside."}, {"start": "02:30:27", "end": "02:30:29", "text": ">> Here take some medicine."}, {"start": "02:30:27", "end": "02:30:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Here's takes that that we can see"}, {"start": "02:30:29", "end": "02:30:32", "text": "on the outside. And it's just like, no,"}, {"start": "02:30:31", "end": "02:30:35", "text": "actually it really matters how people"}, {"start": "02:30:32", "end": "02:30:37", "text": "feel. And so when you you do a study"}, {"start": "02:30:35", "end": "02:30:39", "text": "where people are doing self-report and"}, {"start": "02:30:37", "end": "02:30:40", "text": "people say, \"Oh, it's just self-report.\""}, {"start": "02:30:39", "end": "02:30:41", "text": "It's like, if the question is, \"How do"}, {"start": "02:30:40", "end": "02:30:41", "text": "you feel?\""}, {"start": "02:30:41", "end": "02:30:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:30:41", "end": "02:30:44", "text": ">> People are really honest,"}, {"start": "02:30:43", "end": "02:30:45", "text": ">> of course, [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:30:44", "end": "02:30:48", "text": ">> because they want to know if this is"}, {"start": "02:30:45", "end": "02:30:50", "text": "helping. So yes, uh the Israeli um"}, {"start": "02:30:48", "end": "02:30:53", "text": "defense forces were actually the ones"}, {"start": "02:30:50", "end": "02:30:55", "text": "who who I think launched this idea. They"}, {"start": "02:30:53", "end": "02:30:57", "text": "called it back to the future therapy or"}, {"start": "02:30:55", "end": "02:31:00", "text": "something. And they found that it really"}, {"start": "02:30:57", "end": "02:31:02", "text": "helps PTSD to go back with all you know"}, {"start": "02:31:00", "end": "02:31:04", "text": "now cuz you survived the PTSD cuz you're"}, {"start": "02:31:02", "end": "02:31:07", "text": "in therapy for it. So with all you know"}, {"start": "02:31:04", "end": "02:31:10", "text": "now go back to the trauma"}, {"start": "02:31:07", "end": "02:31:13", "text": ">> and sit with yourself and give yourself"}, {"start": "02:31:10", "end": "02:31:15", "text": "idea you know an idea about what to do"}, {"start": "02:31:13", "end": "02:31:17", "text": "and like let yourself know you're not"}, {"start": "02:31:15", "end": "02:31:19", "text": "alone and then do it in the opposite"}, {"start": "02:31:17", "end": "02:31:20", "text": "direction. Go back and be the one who's"}, {"start": "02:31:19", "end": "02:31:22", "text": "alone and is having the traumatic"}, {"start": "02:31:20", "end": "02:31:25", "text": "experience and notice that this future"}, {"start": "02:31:22", "end": "02:31:28", "text": "person is there to help you and go take"}, {"start": "02:31:25", "end": "02:31:28", "text": "their advice. So it's just super"}, {"start": "02:31:28", "end": "02:31:30", "text": "powerful."}, {"start": "02:31:28", "end": "02:31:30", "text": ">> Very healing."}, {"start": "02:31:30", "end": "02:31:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:31:30", "end": "02:31:33", "text": ">> Cool. Love it."}, {"start": "02:31:31", "end": "02:31:35", "text": ">> Yeah. And thanks by the way, slug for"}, {"start": "02:31:33", "end": "02:31:37", "text": "that 100 million. I will totally"}, {"start": "02:31:35", "end": "02:31:38", "text": "appreciate that when that shows up."}, {"start": "02:31:37", "end": "02:31:39", "text": ">> I just have this visual of this slug"}, {"start": "02:31:38", "end": "02:31:40", "text": "just going."}, {"start": "02:31:39", "end": "02:31:40", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "02:31:40", "end": "02:31:42", "text": ">> You're welcome."}, {"start": "02:31:40", "end": "02:31:44", "text": ">> We're good."}, {"start": "02:31:42", "end": "02:31:45", "text": ">> We got actually um you know, Slugs got"}, {"start": "02:31:44", "end": "02:31:46", "text": "another question here which is really"}, {"start": "02:31:45", "end": "02:31:50", "text": "good, but we'll bring that up in a"}, {"start": "02:31:46", "end": "02:31:54", "text": "second here. Um this is a really really"}, {"start": "02:31:50", "end": "02:31:54", "text": "good question by spicy pineapple."}, {"start": "02:31:54", "end": "02:31:56", "text": "again."}, {"start": "02:31:55", "end": "02:31:58", "text": ">> Is this like a"}, {"start": "02:31:56", "end": "02:32:00", "text": ">> If you need a visual,"}, {"start": "02:31:58", "end": "02:32:02", "text": "it's just a really spicy pineapple who's"}, {"start": "02:32:00", "end": "02:32:04", "text": "got a burning question. America, China,"}, {"start": "02:32:02", "end": "02:32:07", "text": "and Russia all ended their public sai"}, {"start": "02:32:04", "end": "02:32:08", "text": "research in the '9s. Why do you think"}, {"start": "02:32:07", "end": "02:32:12", "text": "that is?"}, {"start": "02:32:08", "end": "02:32:15", "text": ">> Oh, um, well, that's"}, {"start": "02:32:12", "end": "02:32:16", "text": ">> was a coincidence. [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:32:15", "end": "02:32:18", "text": "[gasps]"}, {"start": "02:32:16", "end": "02:32:18", "text": ">> [sighs]"}, {"start": "02:32:18", "end": "02:32:22", "text": ">> There's"}, {"start": "02:32:19", "end": "02:32:22", "text": "um"}, {"start": "02:32:23", "end": "02:32:26", "text": "yeah, let me think about the right way"}, {"start": "02:32:24", "end": "02:32:28", "text": "to answer this when it comes to what I"}, {"start": "02:32:26", "end": "02:32:31", "text": "really believe."}, {"start": "02:32:28", "end": "02:32:35", "text": "I want to be really"}, {"start": "02:32:31", "end": "02:32:38", "text": "what I really believe is that there was"}, {"start": "02:32:35", "end": "02:32:40", "text": "kind of an like they all those countries"}, {"start": "02:32:38", "end": "02:32:44", "text": "are watching each other"}, {"start": "02:32:40", "end": "02:32:46", "text": "and at the time I heard a story"}, {"start": "02:32:44", "end": "02:32:48", "text": "I think it was from Ed May but maybe it"}, {"start": "02:32:46", "end": "02:32:51", "text": "was from Joe about the Russians in the"}, {"start": "02:32:48", "end": "02:32:53", "text": "'9s saying"}, {"start": "02:32:51", "end": "02:32:55", "text": "you know you k to America you killed all"}, {"start": "02:32:53", "end": "02:33:00", "text": "your psychics like referring to Pat"}, {"start": "02:32:55", "end": "02:33:03", "text": "Price and maybe others and sort of as a"}, {"start": "02:33:00", "end": "02:33:05", "text": "as a dig like what what are you guys"}, {"start": "02:33:03", "end": "02:33:08", "text": "thinking?"}, {"start": "02:33:05", "end": "02:33:13", "text": "But I think that that's I think that was"}, {"start": "02:33:08", "end": "02:33:13", "text": "just a dig. I I think that um"}, {"start": "02:33:14", "end": "02:33:18", "text": "I think when you realize something's"}, {"start": "02:33:16", "end": "02:33:23", "text": "really real"}, {"start": "02:33:18", "end": "02:33:25", "text": "and and you realize how valuable it is,"}, {"start": "02:33:23", "end": "02:33:27", "text": ">> there's this habit because we live in"}, {"start": "02:33:25", "end": "02:33:30", "text": "the world we live in which likes to"}, {"start": "02:33:27", "end": "02:33:32", "text": "think that it's a good idea to divide"}, {"start": "02:33:30", "end": "02:33:34", "text": "things up. this habit of like circling"}, {"start": "02:33:32", "end": "02:33:35", "text": "the wagons, taking your treasure and"}, {"start": "02:33:34", "end": "02:33:36", "text": "pulling it in"}, {"start": "02:33:35", "end": "02:33:37", "text": ">> and we're going to hold on to this"}, {"start": "02:33:36", "end": "02:33:39", "text": "treasure and we're going to develop it"}, {"start": "02:33:37", "end": "02:33:40", "text": "in our way and we're not going to tell"}, {"start": "02:33:39", "end": "02:33:41", "text": "you about the way that we're developing"}, {"start": "02:33:40", "end": "02:33:44", "text": "it."}, {"start": "02:33:41", "end": "02:33:46", "text": ">> So, we're going to declassify"}, {"start": "02:33:44", "end": "02:33:47", "text": ">> what we've done because now we kind of"}, {"start": "02:33:46", "end": "02:33:48", "text": "get what's"}, {"start": "02:33:47", "end": "02:33:49", "text": ">> really valuable"}, {"start": "02:33:48", "end": "02:33:50", "text": ">> or at least part of what we've done."}, {"start": "02:33:49", "end": "02:33:52", "text": ">> Well, yeah, we we'll declassify part of"}, {"start": "02:33:50", "end": "02:33:53", "text": "what we've done. But there's some really"}, {"start": "02:33:52", "end": "02:33:57", "text": "we should talk about some really"}, {"start": "02:33:53", "end": "02:33:58", "text": "interesting things in that. But um and"}, {"start": "02:33:57", "end": "02:34:00", "text": "then we're going to sort of develop it"}, {"start": "02:33:58", "end": "02:34:01", "text": "in our own way because maybe we're going"}, {"start": "02:34:00", "end": "02:34:03", "text": "to catch on to something that's very"}, {"start": "02:34:01", "end": "02:34:06", "text": "different. So I think it was a"}, {"start": "02:34:03", "end": "02:34:08", "text": "recognition this is really real. It's"}, {"start": "02:34:06", "end": "02:34:12", "text": "not a game anymore. It's not just"}, {"start": "02:34:08", "end": "02:34:14", "text": "something that we could kind of pretend"}, {"start": "02:34:12", "end": "02:34:15", "text": "about. This is about this is fundamental"}, {"start": "02:34:14", "end": "02:34:17", "text": "to the nature of reality"}, {"start": "02:34:15", "end": "02:34:19", "text": ">> and it all happened simultaneously."}, {"start": "02:34:17", "end": "02:34:21", "text": ">> Yeah. It's like oh we it's just the same"}, {"start": "02:34:19", "end": "02:34:23", "text": "seems to me with UFOs. It's like oh I"}, {"start": "02:34:21", "end": "02:34:24", "text": "see you're now going through a"}, {"start": "02:34:23", "end": "02:34:27", "text": "disclosure process. Okay. Maybe we'll do"}, {"start": "02:34:24", "end": "02:34:29", "text": "the disclosure. You know, it's just"}, {"start": "02:34:27", "end": "02:34:30", "text": ">> the all playing the the game."}, {"start": "02:34:29", "end": "02:34:33", "text": ">> Yeah. The funny thing about this"}, {"start": "02:34:30", "end": "02:34:36", "text": "interdependent world is it's really the"}, {"start": "02:34:33", "end": "02:34:39", "text": "case that from a high level view, these"}, {"start": "02:34:36", "end": "02:34:41", "text": "countries have to look at each other and"}, {"start": "02:34:39", "end": "02:34:43", "text": "we're all dealing with the same planet"}, {"start": "02:34:41", "end": "02:34:45", "text": "and the same people. So, we have to look"}, {"start": "02:34:43", "end": "02:34:46", "text": "at each other and say, \"Okay, is it"}, {"start": "02:34:45", "end": "02:34:48", "text": "really in our best interest to do this"}, {"start": "02:34:46", "end": "02:34:48", "text": "now if you're doing that?\""}, {"start": "02:34:48", "end": "02:34:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:34:48", "end": "02:34:51", "text": ">> So, it makes sense to me."}, {"start": "02:34:50", "end": "02:34:53", "text": ">> They're hiding their psychic stuff."}, {"start": "02:34:51", "end": "02:34:55", "text": "Let's hide our psychic stuff."}, {"start": "02:34:53", "end": "02:34:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Maybe there were maybe and and"}, {"start": "02:34:55", "end": "02:34:59", "text": "then also the other part of it is maybe"}, {"start": "02:34:57", "end": "02:35:00", "text": "I don't say this with any particular"}, {"start": "02:34:59", "end": "02:35:02", "text": "knowledge but it's just sort of a guess"}, {"start": "02:35:00", "end": "02:35:04", "text": "about human nature and also I know a"}, {"start": "02:35:02", "end": "02:35:06", "text": "little about the intelligence community"}, {"start": "02:35:04", "end": "02:35:09", "text": "from from my friend Carmen who I do this"}, {"start": "02:35:06", "end": "02:35:12", "text": "show with pandas playing cello"}, {"start": "02:35:09", "end": "02:35:13", "text": ">> um and some other people there's also a"}, {"start": "02:35:12", "end": "02:35:15", "text": "feeling of like maybe then they won't"}, {"start": "02:35:13", "end": "02:35:17", "text": "know how stupid we are like maybe they"}, {"start": "02:35:15", "end": "02:35:18", "text": "caught on to something"}, {"start": "02:35:17", "end": "02:35:19", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "02:35:18", "end": "02:35:20", "text": ">> did you see Arrival the movie"}, {"start": "02:35:19", "end": "02:35:21", "text": ">> yeah of course I've seen it multiple"}, {"start": "02:35:20", "end": "02:35:24", "text": "times"}, {"start": "02:35:21", "end": "02:35:26", "text": ">> I love that movie so at that moment when"}, {"start": "02:35:24", "end": "02:35:27", "text": "they think, \"Oh, no, they figured out,"}, {"start": "02:35:26", "end": "02:35:28", "text": "then everyone shuts down.\""}, {"start": "02:35:27", "end": "02:35:30", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:35:28", "end": "02:35:31", "text": ">> And so it could also just be like, \"We"}, {"start": "02:35:30", "end": "02:35:32", "text": "don't want them to know how stupid we"}, {"start": "02:35:31", "end": "02:35:33", "text": "are."}, {"start": "02:35:32", "end": "02:35:35", "text": ">> They figured something out.\" And they"}, {"start": "02:35:33", "end": "02:35:36", "text": "could have just been bluffing."}, {"start": "02:35:35", "end": "02:35:37", "text": ">> We We don't want them to know that we"}, {"start": "02:35:36", "end": "02:35:37", "text": "didn't figure it out."}, {"start": "02:35:37", "end": "02:35:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:35:37", "end": "02:35:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh it's a really interesting take."}, {"start": "02:35:39", "end": "02:35:43", "text": "That movie is great, by the way. There's"}, {"start": "02:35:41", "end": "02:35:44", "text": "um I I remember last time I watched I"}, {"start": "02:35:43", "end": "02:35:45", "text": "picked up on"}, {"start": "02:35:44", "end": "02:35:46", "text": ">> Do you remember at the end when she's"}, {"start": "02:35:45", "end": "02:35:47", "text": "getting all the visions?"}, {"start": "02:35:46", "end": "02:35:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:35:47", "end": "02:35:50", "text": ">> Of like, \"Oh my god.\" You know, and but"}, {"start": "02:35:48", "end": "02:35:53", "text": "there's one vision there where the"}, {"start": "02:35:50", "end": "02:35:55", "text": "child, the daughter, she draws because"}, {"start": "02:35:53", "end": "02:35:56", "text": "you remember the canary."}, {"start": "02:35:55", "end": "02:35:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:35:56", "end": "02:35:57", "text": ">> The canary in the cage."}, {"start": "02:35:57", "end": "02:35:59", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "02:35:57", "end": "02:36:00", "text": ">> And they kept bringing the canary up."}, {"start": "02:35:59", "end": "02:36:01", "text": "And that that's where I realized, oh,"}, {"start": "02:36:00", "end": "02:36:01", "text": "the child is the canary."}, {"start": "02:36:01", "end": "02:36:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:36:01", "end": "02:36:06", "text": ">> The child is the canary."}, {"start": "02:36:04", "end": "02:36:08", "text": ">> The child had to die. Had to die for"}, {"start": "02:36:06", "end": "02:36:10", "text": "them to know what to do. Like"}, {"start": "02:36:08", "end": "02:36:11", "text": ">> I was like, oh my god."}, {"start": "02:36:10", "end": "02:36:13", "text": ">> Yeah. When I realized that, I was like,"}, {"start": "02:36:11", "end": "02:36:15", "text": ">> no, I didn't get that. I've seen that 13"}, {"start": "02:36:13", "end": "02:36:16", "text": "times and I didn't get that. That is"}, {"start": "02:36:15", "end": "02:36:17", "text": ">> cuz they kept bringing the canary up,"}, {"start": "02:36:16", "end": "02:36:19", "text": "but the canary kept surviving. But she"}, {"start": "02:36:17", "end": "02:36:19", "text": "drew the picture of the canary."}, {"start": "02:36:19", "end": "02:36:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:36:19", "end": "02:36:22", "text": ">> And in the flashbacks, you see the"}, {"start": "02:36:21", "end": "02:36:23", "text": "mother"}, {"start": "02:36:22", "end": "02:36:24", "text": ">> and the mother and the dad."}, {"start": "02:36:23", "end": "02:36:25", "text": ">> Yeah. You see the mother, dad, and the"}, {"start": "02:36:24", "end": "02:36:26", "text": "canary in the middle. I was like, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "02:36:25", "end": "02:36:26", "text": "she's the canary.\""}, {"start": "02:36:26", "end": "02:36:27", "text": ">> Oh, god."}, {"start": "02:36:26", "end": "02:36:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:36:27", "end": "02:36:30", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "02:36:29", "end": "02:36:33", "text": ">> Such a good movie."}, {"start": "02:36:30", "end": "02:36:35", "text": ">> Oh, man. And that's also good because"}, {"start": "02:36:33", "end": "02:36:35", "text": "that is how people feel."}, {"start": "02:36:35", "end": "02:36:38", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:36:35", "end": "02:36:39", "text": ">> It we we feel with in relationship to"}, {"start": "02:36:38", "end": "02:36:41", "text": "the government, I mean,"}, {"start": "02:36:39", "end": "02:36:43", "text": ">> or when I say government in the broad"}, {"start": "02:36:41", "end": "02:36:47", "text": "sense, um,"}, {"start": "02:36:43", "end": "02:36:49", "text": ">> we feel like we are the canary. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:36:47", "end": "02:36:51", "text": "Mhm. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, they are"}, {"start": "02:36:49", "end": "02:36:55", "text": "not the canary."}, {"start": "02:36:51", "end": "02:36:57", "text": "Um, okay. Gee or guy or ghee."}, {"start": "02:36:55", "end": "02:37:00", "text": ">> A French person probably."}, {"start": "02:36:57", "end": "02:37:00", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:37:03", "end": "02:37:07", "text": "Kind of answered this, but I feel like"}, {"start": "02:37:04", "end": "02:37:09", "text": "it might be good to hone in on a an"}, {"start": "02:37:07", "end": "02:37:12", "text": "answer here. What does love actually"}, {"start": "02:37:09", "end": "02:37:13", "text": "change in precognitive remote viewing?"}, {"start": "02:37:12", "end": "02:37:15", "text": ">> Okay. What does love actually change in"}, {"start": "02:37:13", "end": "02:37:18", "text": "precognitive remote viewing? And I want"}, {"start": "02:37:15", "end": "02:37:20", "text": "to pronounce this gooey like like the"}, {"start": "02:37:18", "end": "02:37:24", "text": "interface the interface that we all see."}, {"start": "02:37:20", "end": "02:37:24", "text": "Okay. Um"}, {"start": "02:37:24", "end": "02:37:30", "text": "but does it actually change?"}, {"start": "02:37:28", "end": "02:37:33", "text": "That's interesting. It's interesting"}, {"start": "02:37:30", "end": "02:37:36", "text": "because so my definition of love is that"}, {"start": "02:37:33", "end": "02:37:38", "text": "which connects and then my definition of"}, {"start": "02:37:36", "end": "02:37:41", "text": "unconditional love is"}, {"start": "02:37:38", "end": "02:37:44", "text": "feeling loved and being able to love"}, {"start": "02:37:41", "end": "02:37:46", "text": "without anything needing to change."}, {"start": "02:37:44", "end": "02:37:49", "text": "So"}, {"start": "02:37:46", "end": "02:37:52", "text": "this I'm I'm I'm parsing this question"}, {"start": "02:37:49", "end": "02:37:55", "text": "because I don't think that you know that"}, {"start": "02:37:52", "end": "02:37:57", "text": "that Bible phrase about love doesn't"}, {"start": "02:37:55", "end": "02:37:58", "text": "change anything. I horrible with Bible"}, {"start": "02:37:57", "end": "02:37:59", "text": "phrases."}, {"start": "02:37:58", "end": "02:38:01", "text": ">> I'm not familiar. But"}, {"start": "02:37:59", "end": "02:38:03", "text": ">> I'm Jewish and and furthermore read the"}, {"start": "02:38:01", "end": "02:38:06", "text": "Torah. So but I think there's some"}, {"start": "02:38:03", "end": "02:38:08", "text": "phrase about like love doesn't"}, {"start": "02:38:06", "end": "02:38:11", "text": "alteration"}, {"start": "02:38:08", "end": "02:38:14", "text": "doesn't alter stuff. That's how eloquent"}, {"start": "02:38:11", "end": "02:38:16", "text": "I can be. And um but I think that's"}, {"start": "02:38:14", "end": "02:38:18", "text": "real. So I don't know that it changes"}, {"start": "02:38:16", "end": "02:38:21", "text": "anything."}, {"start": "02:38:18", "end": "02:38:25", "text": "But if someone is in a loving state,"}, {"start": "02:38:21", "end": "02:38:27", "text": "then there is no unconditionally loving."}, {"start": "02:38:25", "end": "02:38:29", "text": "So I want to make a distinction between"}, {"start": "02:38:27", "end": "02:38:30", "text": "conditional love, which is kind of like"}, {"start": "02:38:29", "end": "02:38:33", "text": "if you're a computer scientist, it's"}, {"start": "02:38:30", "end": "02:38:36", "text": "like conditional love is like an and"}, {"start": "02:38:33", "end": "02:38:39", "text": "statement. Both things have to be true"}, {"start": "02:38:36", "end": "02:38:41", "text": "in order for love to happen. Like I have"}, {"start": "02:38:39", "end": "02:38:43", "text": "to love you, you have to love me. Now"}, {"start": "02:38:41", "end": "02:38:46", "text": "we're in love."}, {"start": "02:38:43", "end": "02:38:49", "text": "That's what we usually think of as love."}, {"start": "02:38:46", "end": "02:38:52", "text": "Unconditional love is like you could be"}, {"start": "02:38:49", "end": "02:38:54", "text": "completely ignoring me or hate me, but I"}, {"start": "02:38:52", "end": "02:38:56", "text": "unconditionally love"}, {"start": "02:38:54", "end": "02:38:59", "text": "everybody. Like that's the other thing"}, {"start": "02:38:56", "end": "02:39:03", "text": "about unconditional love is it includes"}, {"start": "02:38:59", "end": "02:39:06", "text": "everybody, right? So it's very different"}, {"start": "02:39:03", "end": "02:39:09", "text": "and it's more of a rare thing for that"}, {"start": "02:39:06", "end": "02:39:12", "text": "reason. So unconditional love doesn't"}, {"start": "02:39:09", "end": "02:39:14", "text": "change anything. But what it does do is"}, {"start": "02:39:12", "end": "02:39:16", "text": "when you are in a already in a state of"}, {"start": "02:39:14", "end": "02:39:19", "text": "unconditional love. I think what it"}, {"start": "02:39:16", "end": "02:39:23", "text": "actually allows you to do is not have"}, {"start": "02:39:19", "end": "02:39:25", "text": "any conditions on time or space. So it's"}, {"start": "02:39:23", "end": "02:39:28", "text": "almost like a it's almost like a belief"}, {"start": "02:39:25", "end": "02:39:29", "text": "factor. It's like if you can if you"}, {"start": "02:39:28", "end": "02:39:33", "text": "could imagine the universe as this giant"}, {"start": "02:39:29", "end": "02:39:35", "text": "bubble of love, why are why are you"}, {"start": "02:39:33", "end": "02:39:36", "text": "privileging or saying that you could"}, {"start": "02:39:35", "end": "02:39:38", "text": "only get information from this half of"}, {"start": "02:39:36", "end": "02:39:39", "text": "the universe? but not this half of the"}, {"start": "02:39:38", "end": "02:39:42", "text": "universe or this little area that's"}, {"start": "02:39:39", "end": "02:39:44", "text": "right in front of you. It's like it's"}, {"start": "02:39:42", "end": "02:39:45", "text": "all included in the bubble."}, {"start": "02:39:44", "end": "02:39:46", "text": ">> You're just going to a different place"}, {"start": "02:39:45", "end": "02:39:48", "text": "in the bubble."}, {"start": "02:39:46", "end": "02:39:50", "text": ">> So, I think it I think if it changes"}, {"start": "02:39:48", "end": "02:39:51", "text": "anything, it would change your"}, {"start": "02:39:50", "end": "02:39:54", "text": "perspective"}, {"start": "02:39:51", "end": "02:39:55", "text": "or belief that you're connected to"}, {"start": "02:39:54", "end": "02:39:57", "text": "something that previously you didn't"}, {"start": "02:39:55", "end": "02:39:58", "text": "know you were because you were having a"}, {"start": "02:39:57", "end": "02:40:01", "text": "condition like I can't love that."}, {"start": "02:39:58", "end": "02:40:06", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. I'm just now realizing that"}, {"start": "02:40:01", "end": "02:40:09", "text": "that's the uh it's the oneness that you"}, {"start": "02:40:06", "end": "02:40:10", "text": "measure in quantum physics, but it's"}, {"start": "02:40:09", "end": "02:40:13", "text": "also that oneness you feel"}, {"start": "02:40:10", "end": "02:40:15", "text": "unconditionally through this like love,"}, {"start": "02:40:13", "end": "02:40:17", "text": "right? So that that oneness, that"}, {"start": "02:40:15", "end": "02:40:18", "text": "feeling of like, oh, we're all one and"}, {"start": "02:40:17", "end": "02:40:20", "text": "this like loveydvey like sort of thing."}, {"start": "02:40:18", "end": "02:40:23", "text": "But that's also what scientists uh you"}, {"start": "02:40:20", "end": "02:40:24", "text": "know and physicists observe"}, {"start": "02:40:23", "end": "02:40:26", "text": ">> when they're looking at the quantum"}, {"start": "02:40:24", "end": "02:40:27", "text": "vacuum or you know the zero point like"}, {"start": "02:40:26", "end": "02:40:28", "text": "it's like oh this is all one."}, {"start": "02:40:27", "end": "02:40:31", "text": ">> This is all one."}, {"start": "02:40:28", "end": "02:40:32", "text": ">> It's all one. And that's, you know, also"}, {"start": "02:40:31", "end": "02:40:34", "text": "what love is."}, {"start": "02:40:32", "end": "02:40:35", "text": ">> Yeah. And so if you can if it if it can"}, {"start": "02:40:34", "end": "02:40:38", "text": "shift your perspective because you're"}, {"start": "02:40:35", "end": "02:40:40", "text": "viscerally in that state,"}, {"start": "02:40:38", "end": "02:40:41", "text": ">> then any concerns you had about like,"}, {"start": "02:40:40", "end": "02:40:43", "text": "well, I just really can't do this go"}, {"start": "02:40:41", "end": "02:40:44", "text": "away. It's like bursting through that"}, {"start": "02:40:43", "end": "02:40:44", "text": "ceiling in that dream,"}, {"start": "02:40:44", "end": "02:40:46", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:40:44", "end": "02:40:51", "text": ">> It's like there is no ceiling,"}, {"start": "02:40:46", "end": "02:40:53", "text": ">> right? There's no spoon. [laughter] Um,"}, {"start": "02:40:51", "end": "02:40:54", "text": ">> and but there is a slug and he's got"}, {"start": "02:40:53", "end": "02:40:56", "text": "another question."}, {"start": "02:40:54", "end": "02:40:58", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:40:56", "end": "02:41:00", "text": "And shout out to everybody who's asked a"}, {"start": "02:40:58", "end": "02:41:03", "text": "question. You know, so many questions"}, {"start": "02:41:00", "end": "02:41:05", "text": "were amazing. I can only choose so many,"}, {"start": "02:41:03", "end": "02:41:08", "text": "but Slug had multiple good questions, so"}, {"start": "02:41:05", "end": "02:41:10", "text": "we chose two."}, {"start": "02:41:08", "end": "02:41:14", "text": "What target traits produce the strongest"}, {"start": "02:41:10", "end": "02:41:15", "text": "signal? Emotion, novelty, or physical"}, {"start": "02:41:14", "end": "02:41:18", "text": "contrast?"}, {"start": "02:41:15", "end": "02:41:21", "text": ">> I think this is a UC Santa Cruz person."}, {"start": "02:41:18", "end": "02:41:23", "text": "Um, I wonder if I know this person. What"}, {"start": "02:41:21", "end": "02:41:25", "text": "target traits produce the strongest"}, {"start": "02:41:23", "end": "02:41:26", "text": "signal, emotion, novelty, or physical"}, {"start": "02:41:25", "end": "02:41:28", "text": "contrast?"}, {"start": "02:41:26", "end": "02:41:32", "text": ">> Because Ed May would say contrast,"}, {"start": "02:41:28", "end": "02:41:36", "text": "right? That would be like um like as"}, {"start": "02:41:32", "end": "02:41:38", "text": "soon as something has entropy or or uh a"}, {"start": "02:41:36", "end": "02:41:41", "text": "high entropy would yield like a a more"}, {"start": "02:41:38", "end": "02:41:44", "text": "accurate uh reading of a target."}, {"start": "02:41:41", "end": "02:41:46", "text": ">> Uh I would say none of those things."}, {"start": "02:41:44", "end": "02:41:49", "text": "Yeah, I I get what Ed May would say, but"}, {"start": "02:41:46", "end": "02:41:51", "text": "I I guess I disagree. What I've found is"}, {"start": "02:41:49", "end": "02:41:51", "text": "novelty comes the closest."}, {"start": "02:41:51", "end": "02:41:54", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:41:51", "end": "02:41:56", "text": ">> Um but it would be what I've tested is"}, {"start": "02:41:54", "end": "02:41:57", "text": "interestingness."}, {"start": "02:41:56", "end": "02:42:00", "text": ">> H"}, {"start": "02:41:57", "end": "02:42:02", "text": ">> like how interesting is the target? Like"}, {"start": "02:42:00", "end": "02:42:03", "text": "psychic attention is just like non-"}, {"start": "02:42:02", "end": "02:42:05", "text": "psychic attention."}, {"start": "02:42:03", "end": "02:42:05", "text": ">> But would that be subjective?"}, {"start": "02:42:05", "end": "02:42:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:42:05", "end": "02:42:07", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:42:05", "end": "02:42:10", "text": ">> Yeah. I didn't test it subjectively."}, {"start": "02:42:07", "end": "02:42:12", "text": "Like there I what I did was I had a"}, {"start": "02:42:10", "end": "02:42:14", "text": "bunch of the targets and had a bunch of"}, {"start": "02:42:12", "end": "02:42:16", "text": "people on MTurk just these are just"}, {"start": "02:42:14", "end": "02:42:18", "text": "human raiders rate them according to"}, {"start": "02:42:16", "end": "02:42:19", "text": "their interestingness and then I average"}, {"start": "02:42:18", "end": "02:42:20", "text": "the scores."}, {"start": "02:42:19", "end": "02:42:21", "text": ">> Oh interesting."}, {"start": "02:42:20", "end": "02:42:25", "text": ">> And then I could show that the ones that"}, {"start": "02:42:21", "end": "02:42:26", "text": "were like off that got the wrong target"}, {"start": "02:42:25", "end": "02:42:28", "text": "it was because the opposite target that"}, {"start": "02:42:26", "end": "02:42:29", "text": "wasn't the target was actually more"}, {"start": "02:42:28", "end": "02:42:31", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "02:42:29", "end": "02:42:33", "text": ">> And what is interesting based on?"}, {"start": "02:42:31", "end": "02:42:35", "text": ">> Yeah. So interesting what I said in the"}, {"start": "02:42:33", "end": "02:42:36", "text": "definition this is just a human judgment"}, {"start": "02:42:35", "end": "02:42:38", "text": "call. Sure. What I said in the"}, {"start": "02:42:36", "end": "02:42:40", "text": "definition is what seems most"}, {"start": "02:42:38", "end": "02:42:42", "text": "intriguing, which of these targets seem"}, {"start": "02:42:40", "end": "02:42:45", "text": "mo most intriguing and then just all the"}, {"start": "02:42:42", "end": "02:42:48", "text": "different pair-wise combinations, right?"}, {"start": "02:42:45", "end": "02:42:50", "text": "And so you're always trying to define"}, {"start": "02:42:48", "end": "02:42:52", "text": "the term with some other term that's"}, {"start": "02:42:50", "end": "02:42:54", "text": "similar to it. So basically that's how"}, {"start": "02:42:52", "end": "02:42:56", "text": "they responded and there was this"}, {"start": "02:42:54", "end": "02:43:00", "text": "situation and I replicated this twice"}, {"start": "02:42:56", "end": "02:43:02", "text": "where if some target is more interesting"}, {"start": "02:43:00", "end": "02:43:04", "text": "and you you're more likely to get it"}, {"start": "02:43:02", "end": "02:43:06", "text": "correct and if it's if it's a target"}, {"start": "02:43:04", "end": "02:43:09", "text": "pair like a dummy target and a real"}, {"start": "02:43:06", "end": "02:43:10", "text": "target the d if the dummy target is more"}, {"start": "02:43:09", "end": "02:43:12", "text": "interesting you're more likely to get"}, {"start": "02:43:10", "end": "02:43:16", "text": "the original target wrong. So it's very"}, {"start": "02:43:12", "end": "02:43:18", "text": "much like waking daily perception. If"}, {"start": "02:43:16", "end": "02:43:20", "text": "something is very interesting in a"}, {"start": "02:43:18", "end": "02:43:23", "text": "memory task and you're not a trained,"}, {"start": "02:43:20", "end": "02:43:24", "text": "you know, memory athlete, you're gonna,"}, {"start": "02:43:23", "end": "02:43:27", "text": "if I say, listen to these words and"}, {"start": "02:43:24", "end": "02:43:30", "text": "remember them, church, triangle,"}, {"start": "02:43:27", "end": "02:43:32", "text": "albatross, and cheese, you're more"}, {"start": "02:43:30", "end": "02:43:35", "text": "likely to remember albatross"}, {"start": "02:43:32", "end": "02:43:37", "text": "because it's the most unusual word."}, {"start": "02:43:35", "end": "02:43:39", "text": ">> So, the same thing just happens in the"}, {"start": "02:43:37", "end": "02:43:40", "text": "psychic world,"}, {"start": "02:43:39", "end": "02:43:42", "text": ">> right? even something a little more"}, {"start": "02:43:40", "end": "02:43:45", "text": "appealing,"}, {"start": "02:43:42", "end": "02:43:46", "text": "you know, aesthetically even even"}, {"start": "02:43:45", "end": "02:43:48", "text": ">> but it has to have some kind of meaning"}, {"start": "02:43:46", "end": "02:43:51", "text": "like there like when I've used pictures"}, {"start": "02:43:48", "end": "02:43:52", "text": "that are just like I don't know AI or"}, {"start": "02:43:51", "end": "02:43:55", "text": ">> but if you if you have like a if you're"}, {"start": "02:43:52", "end": "02:43:57", "text": "a big rock fanatic and you collect rocks"}, {"start": "02:43:55", "end": "02:43:59", "text": "like to me a rock is mundane but to you"}, {"start": "02:43:57", "end": "02:44:00", "text": ">> a rock is really intriguing"}, {"start": "02:43:59", "end": "02:44:02", "text": ">> and I've seen that with when I used to"}, {"start": "02:44:00", "end": "02:44:04", "text": "train remote viewing I would see that"}, {"start": "02:44:02", "end": "02:44:06", "text": "and I run a team called um intuitive"}, {"start": "02:44:04", "end": "02:44:08", "text": "forecasting and and then I stopped"}, {"start": "02:44:06", "end": "02:44:10", "text": "running the team and I gave that over to"}, {"start": "02:44:08", "end": "02:44:13", "text": "the rest of the team but I'm on the team"}, {"start": "02:44:10", "end": "02:44:15", "text": "and the people who are like we have a"}, {"start": "02:44:13", "end": "02:44:18", "text": "guy who's a computer scientist who does"}, {"start": "02:44:15", "end": "02:44:20", "text": "cyber security. So his remote viewings"}, {"start": "02:44:18", "end": "02:44:22", "text": "are very much focused on the technical"}, {"start": "02:44:20", "end": "02:44:24", "text": "aspect of whatever we're looking at."}, {"start": "02:44:22", "end": "02:44:25", "text": "Then we have someone who's an artist and"}, {"start": "02:44:24", "end": "02:44:29", "text": "her remote viewings are really focused"}, {"start": "02:44:25", "end": "02:44:31", "text": "on the aesthetic aspects. And so"}, {"start": "02:44:29", "end": "02:44:34", "text": "whatever in fact one guy I was when I"}, {"start": "02:44:31", "end": "02:44:36", "text": "was training he was an engineer and if"}, {"start": "02:44:34", "end": "02:44:37", "text": "the target was a person he'd be like I"}, {"start": "02:44:36", "end": "02:44:38", "text": "got nothing."}, {"start": "02:44:37", "end": "02:44:39", "text": ">> Okay. But if the target was like"}, {"start": "02:44:38", "end": "02:44:41", "text": ">> a building,"}, {"start": "02:44:39", "end": "02:44:42", "text": ">> a building, he'd be like, \"Oh, he's got"}, {"start": "02:44:41", "end": "02:44:44", "text": "it's got this cool thing and then what's"}, {"start": "02:44:42", "end": "02:44:46", "text": "this thing over here?\" Really?"}, {"start": "02:44:44", "end": "02:44:47", "text": ">> Yeah. So, it's like what your interest"}, {"start": "02:44:46", "end": "02:44:49", "text": "is,"}, {"start": "02:44:47", "end": "02:44:51", "text": ">> what your expertise is. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:44:49", "end": "02:44:54", "text": ">> Ah, that's really good. That's uh it's"}, {"start": "02:44:51", "end": "02:44:56", "text": "really interesting to think about."}, {"start": "02:44:54", "end": "02:44:58", "text": ">> Wow. Yeah. Because I I always had it"}, {"start": "02:44:56", "end": "02:45:00", "text": "pegged like, \"Oh, it's got to be"}, {"start": "02:44:58", "end": "02:45:02", "text": "contrast.\" Like, it's got to be"}, {"start": "02:45:00", "end": "02:45:04", "text": "contrast. Like, in my head, I was"}, {"start": "02:45:02", "end": "02:45:06", "text": ">> That's a visual feature, but many many"}, {"start": "02:45:04", "end": "02:45:06", "text": "many people aren't visual remote"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:08", "text": "viewers,"}, {"start": "02:45:06", "end": "02:45:12", "text": ">> right? But only because like our brains"}, {"start": "02:45:08", "end": "02:45:13", "text": "are hardwired to recognize uh change,"}, {"start": "02:45:12", "end": "02:45:16", "text": "right? So like you know like the"}, {"start": "02:45:13", "end": "02:45:18", "text": "Gansfeld effect, if like if I hear or"}, {"start": "02:45:16", "end": "02:45:19", "text": "see light or or hear a certain sound"}, {"start": "02:45:18", "end": "02:45:20", "text": "after a while, it's not going to hear"}, {"start": "02:45:19", "end": "02:45:21", "text": "it. Like you walk into a room and you'll"}, {"start": "02:45:20", "end": "02:45:23", "text": "smell"}, {"start": "02:45:21", "end": "02:45:24", "text": ">> something foul. But if you're in that"}, {"start": "02:45:23", "end": "02:45:26", "text": "room, you won't smell it."}, {"start": "02:45:24", "end": "02:45:27", "text": ">> But when you're doing a remote viewing,"}, {"start": "02:45:26", "end": "02:45:30", "text": "you're making your own contrast by"}, {"start": "02:45:27", "end": "02:45:32", "text": "showing up like like it's like all of a"}, {"start": "02:45:30", "end": "02:45:34", "text": "sudden I was not doing a remote viewing"}, {"start": "02:45:32", "end": "02:45:36", "text": "and now I'm doing a remote viewing. To"}, {"start": "02:45:34", "end": "02:45:37", "text": "me, that's already contrast."}, {"start": "02:45:36", "end": "02:45:41", "text": ">> But like if you had like a remote"}, {"start": "02:45:37", "end": "02:45:44", "text": "viewing where the target was, you know,"}, {"start": "02:45:41", "end": "02:45:45", "text": "um something mutable or something, you"}, {"start": "02:45:44", "end": "02:45:48", "text": "know, changing or or"}, {"start": "02:45:45", "end": "02:45:50", "text": ">> this is the entropic thing about this is"}, {"start": "02:45:48", "end": "02:45:52", "text": "where my head was at too. I was like, it"}, {"start": "02:45:50", "end": "02:45:54", "text": "would make sense that my brain like a"}, {"start": "02:45:52", "end": "02:45:57", "text": "moth to a flame would be a little more"}, {"start": "02:45:54", "end": "02:45:59", "text": "open to noticing change than it would to"}, {"start": "02:45:57", "end": "02:46:00", "text": "like a mundane bush or"}, {"start": "02:45:59", "end": "02:46:02", "text": ">> also more interesting. So, it's really"}, {"start": "02:46:00", "end": "02:46:03", "text": "hard to separate those."}, {"start": "02:46:02", "end": "02:46:05", "text": ">> That's right. That's what I'm realizing"}, {"start": "02:46:03", "end": "02:46:06", "text": "now. Oh yeah, we might be talking about"}, {"start": "02:46:05", "end": "02:46:08", "text": "one and the same thing here."}, {"start": "02:46:06", "end": "02:46:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. So, more work needs to be"}, {"start": "02:46:08", "end": "02:46:14", "text": "done. There is a database that um I've"}, {"start": "02:46:11", "end": "02:46:16", "text": "been making with uh and mostly I'm just"}, {"start": "02:46:14", "end": "02:46:18", "text": "along for the ride on this with Damon"}, {"start": "02:46:16", "end": "02:46:21", "text": "Abraham and Helani WAB and some other"}, {"start": "02:46:18", "end": "02:46:23", "text": "folks um of something like a thousand"}, {"start": "02:46:21", "end": "02:46:25", "text": "images that we that could be really good"}, {"start": "02:46:23", "end": "02:46:26", "text": "remote viewing targets and we rate them"}, {"start": "02:46:25", "end": "02:46:29", "text": "on all these dimensions and so I think"}, {"start": "02:46:26", "end": "02:46:29", "text": "that work can be done now."}, {"start": "02:46:29", "end": "02:46:32", "text": ">> Amazing."}, {"start": "02:46:29", "end": "02:46:34", "text": ">> Um but it has to be done. I'm very"}, {"start": "02:46:32", "end": "02:46:37", "text": "excited. I'm very excited for you. I'm"}, {"start": "02:46:34", "end": "02:46:39", "text": "very excited for the future of of um you"}, {"start": "02:46:37", "end": "02:46:41", "text": "know, looking into the whole SAI"}, {"start": "02:46:39", "end": "02:46:42", "text": "phenomena. You know, you just came you"}, {"start": "02:46:41", "end": "02:46:43", "text": "and this is something we didn't even"}, {"start": "02:46:42", "end": "02:46:45", "text": "touch on, but you just came back from"}, {"start": "02:46:43", "end": "02:46:47", "text": "SCU as well like this"}, {"start": "02:46:45", "end": "02:46:48", "text": ">> scientific coalition for UIP studies."}, {"start": "02:46:47", "end": "02:46:50", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "02:46:48", "end": "02:46:52", "text": ">> Yeah. How was that briefly?"}, {"start": "02:46:50", "end": "02:46:54", "text": ">> Oh, amazing. [laughter] You know, it's a"}, {"start": "02:46:52", "end": "02:46:56", "text": "group of scientists and engineers mostly"}, {"start": "02:46:54", "end": "02:46:59", "text": "who are trying to figure out what can we"}, {"start": "02:46:56", "end": "02:47:01", "text": "learn about UAP and what's the deal with"}, {"start": "02:46:59", "end": "02:47:04", "text": "NHI. And my favorite part of it is this"}, {"start": "02:47:01", "end": "02:47:05", "text": "year I say the same thing whenever I go"}, {"start": "02:47:04", "end": "02:47:06", "text": "which is you guys we have to study"}, {"start": "02:47:05", "end": "02:47:09", "text": "consciousness like we can't just look at"}, {"start": "02:47:06", "end": "02:47:11", "text": "race cars in the sky. Um and this year"}, {"start": "02:47:09", "end": "02:47:12", "text": "they're like okay you're right we've got"}, {"start": "02:47:11", "end": "02:47:13", "text": "to study consciousness. That made me"}, {"start": "02:47:12", "end": "02:47:14", "text": "feel really good. I wasn't the only"}, {"start": "02:47:13", "end": "02:47:14", "text": "person saying it."}, {"start": "02:47:14", "end": "02:47:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:47:14", "end": "02:47:19", "text": ">> But I think if you don't understand"}, {"start": "02:47:17", "end": "02:47:23", "text": "that there's a relationship between the"}, {"start": "02:47:19", "end": "02:47:26", "text": "human mind and mind itself as a"}, {"start": "02:47:23", "end": "02:47:29", "text": "universal thing and UAP. you haven't"}, {"start": "02:47:26", "end": "02:47:32", "text": "understood the phenomena. Like the these"}, {"start": "02:47:29", "end": "02:47:35", "text": "are not just race cars in the sky."}, {"start": "02:47:32", "end": "02:47:36", "text": "There's clearly there's telepathy going"}, {"start": "02:47:35", "end": "02:47:40", "text": "on with every person who talks about"}, {"start": "02:47:36", "end": "02:47:44", "text": "abduction experiences. There's this um"}, {"start": "02:47:40", "end": "02:47:45", "text": "psionic thing going on with uh intention"}, {"start": "02:47:44", "end": "02:47:47", "text": "intentionality."}, {"start": "02:47:45", "end": "02:47:49", "text": "Now you see me now you don't. There's"}, {"start": "02:47:47", "end": "02:47:50", "text": "this trickster phenomenon"}, {"start": "02:47:49", "end": "02:47:51", "text": ">> time phenomenon."}, {"start": "02:47:50", "end": "02:47:54", "text": ">> There's a time phenomenon which is can"}, {"start": "02:47:51", "end": "02:47:57", "text": "be per human perceptual time and also"}, {"start": "02:47:54", "end": "02:48:00", "text": "physical time. And so"}, {"start": "02:47:57", "end": "02:48:02", "text": "this this has to be part of the story."}, {"start": "02:48:00", "end": "02:48:04", "text": "And I know that we're staying away from"}, {"start": "02:48:02", "end": "02:48:06", "text": "it, you know, at a cultural level"}, {"start": "02:48:04", "end": "02:48:08", "text": "because it's much easier to say, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "02:48:06", "end": "02:48:11", "text": "look at race cars in the sky.\" But like"}, {"start": "02:48:08", "end": "02:48:14", "text": "that is the big taboo and we've got to"}, {"start": "02:48:11", "end": "02:48:16", "text": "walk towards it with our eyes open."}, {"start": "02:48:14", "end": "02:48:17", "text": ">> That's what I think. So that was my"}, {"start": "02:48:16", "end": "02:48:19", "text": "favorite part of it."}, {"start": "02:48:17", "end": "02:48:24", "text": ">> Yeah, I would agree with that. I think"}, {"start": "02:48:19", "end": "02:48:25", "text": "um who is the um Wilbur Smith? the"}, {"start": "02:48:24", "end": "02:48:26", "text": "Wilbur Smith documents."}, {"start": "02:48:25", "end": "02:48:28", "text": ">> I don't know those."}, {"start": "02:48:26", "end": "02:48:31", "text": ">> 1950 he was the"}, {"start": "02:48:28", "end": "02:48:33", "text": ">> I think the minister of transport if I'm"}, {"start": "02:48:31", "end": "02:48:36", "text": "not mistaken in Canada here and in 1950"}, {"start": "02:48:33", "end": "02:48:38", "text": "there is a um a declassified document"}, {"start": "02:48:36", "end": "02:48:42", "text": "after he came back from a trip to the"}, {"start": "02:48:38", "end": "02:48:44", "text": "United States where he said that he met"}, {"start": "02:48:42", "end": "02:48:47", "text": "with officials and they're taking the"}, {"start": "02:48:44", "end": "02:48:50", "text": "flying saucer uh things very seriously"}, {"start": "02:48:47", "end": "02:48:53", "text": "over there. and he goes uh he even says"}, {"start": "02:48:50", "end": "02:48:55", "text": "um Vanavar Bush put together uh a team"}, {"start": "02:48:53", "end": "02:48:57", "text": "to look into this stuff you know which"}, {"start": "02:48:55", "end": "02:49:00", "text": "is very interesting and then and this is"}, {"start": "02:48:57", "end": "02:49:02", "text": "a this is an official document it's not"}, {"start": "02:49:00", "end": "02:49:05", "text": "contested this is a document that was"}, {"start": "02:49:02", "end": "02:49:07", "text": "you know written by him and then it says"}, {"start": "02:49:05", "end": "02:49:09", "text": "he's got this list of like three things"}, {"start": "02:49:07", "end": "02:49:12", "text": "or whatever and he goes number one"}, {"start": "02:49:09", "end": "02:49:15", "text": "flying saucers are real period yeah"}, {"start": "02:49:12", "end": "02:49:17", "text": ">> number two uh he says something else and"}, {"start": "02:49:15", "end": "02:49:19", "text": "number three he goes and the phenomenon"}, {"start": "02:49:17", "end": "02:49:20", "text": "on is mental."}, {"start": "02:49:19", "end": "02:49:21", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:49:20", "end": "02:49:21", "text": ">> And he says this."}, {"start": "02:49:21", "end": "02:49:24", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:49:21", "end": "02:49:26", "text": ">> And then right after that is where we"}, {"start": "02:49:24", "end": "02:49:27", "text": "start getting into MK Ultra. We start"}, {"start": "02:49:26", "end": "02:49:29", "text": "getting into and it happened right here"}, {"start": "02:49:27", "end": "02:49:30", "text": "at at you know McGill."}, {"start": "02:49:29", "end": "02:49:31", "text": ">> Well and MK Ultra for kids which is like"}, {"start": "02:49:30", "end": "02:49:33", "text": "Sorate. Yep."}, {"start": "02:49:31", "end": "02:49:34", "text": ">> Yep. And at McGill is where they did a"}, {"start": "02:49:33", "end": "02:49:36", "text": "lot of those studies."}, {"start": "02:49:34", "end": "02:49:38", "text": ">> Scary acid studies."}, {"start": "02:49:36", "end": "02:49:40", "text": ">> Exactly. So I mean you have this"}, {"start": "02:49:38", "end": "02:49:41", "text": "connection of this official in Canada"}, {"start": "02:49:40", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "being like oh they already know that"}, {"start": "02:49:41", "end": "02:49:45", "text": "it's mental. Yeah. that there is a"}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:47", "text": ">> that was back in 1950 and it feels like"}, {"start": "02:49:45", "end": "02:49:49", "text": "disclosure is just at like here are some"}, {"start": "02:49:47", "end": "02:49:51", "text": "videos and some audio of"}, {"start": "02:49:49", "end": "02:49:52", "text": ">> but doesn't that feel like by design?"}, {"start": "02:49:51", "end": "02:49:53", "text": ">> Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's just"}, {"start": "02:49:52", "end": "02:49:54", "text": "like"}, {"start": "02:49:53", "end": "02:49:55", "text": ">> where they're like no no it is just race"}, {"start": "02:49:54", "end": "02:49:56", "text": "cars."}, {"start": "02:49:55", "end": "02:49:57", "text": ">> It is just race cars"}, {"start": "02:49:56", "end": "02:49:58", "text": ">> please."}, {"start": "02:49:57", "end": "02:50:01", "text": ">> Yes. Please just"}, {"start": "02:49:58", "end": "02:50:01", "text": ">> please just race cars. Do not look over"}, {"start": "02:50:01", "end": "02:50:03", "text": "here."}, {"start": "02:50:01", "end": "02:50:07", "text": ">> Yes. But it's but it the funny part is"}, {"start": "02:50:03", "end": "02:50:10", "text": "that to me as a as a person who's gifted"}, {"start": "02:50:07", "end": "02:50:12", "text": "at pre-cognition and telepathy, remote"}, {"start": "02:50:10", "end": "02:50:15", "text": "viewing, that kind of stuff, and I'm"}, {"start": "02:50:12", "end": "02:50:19", "text": "sure you have this experience, too."}, {"start": "02:50:15", "end": "02:50:20", "text": "Secrets are not going to last too long."}, {"start": "02:50:19", "end": "02:50:23", "text": ">> I mean, I think that's what it's"}, {"start": "02:50:20", "end": "02:50:27", "text": "defending, right? When you realize that"}, {"start": "02:50:23", "end": "02:50:29", "text": "you can use your mind to get information"}, {"start": "02:50:27", "end": "02:50:31", "text": "and that the classification doesn't make"}, {"start": "02:50:29", "end": "02:50:32", "text": "a single difference. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:50:31", "end": "02:50:33", "text": ">> Then um"}, {"start": "02:50:32", "end": "02:50:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:50:33", "end": "02:50:35", "text": ">> It changes the world."}, {"start": "02:50:34", "end": "02:50:36", "text": ">> Yeah. It's quite threatening."}, {"start": "02:50:35", "end": "02:50:36", "text": ">> Yeah. It's threatening"}, {"start": "02:50:36", "end": "02:50:38", "text": ">> to certain people."}, {"start": "02:50:36", "end": "02:50:40", "text": ">> That's right. And so we have to work"}, {"start": "02:50:38", "end": "02:50:42", "text": "towards a world in which we can still"}, {"start": "02:50:40", "end": "02:50:46", "text": "protect ourselves um you know as people"}, {"start": "02:50:42", "end": "02:50:48", "text": "continue to grow up and learn how to be"}, {"start": "02:50:46", "end": "02:50:50", "text": "better humans with each other. We're"}, {"start": "02:50:48", "end": "02:50:53", "text": "going to have to still protect ourselves"}, {"start": "02:50:50", "end": "02:50:56", "text": "um in a world where secrets can be had."}, {"start": "02:50:53", "end": "02:50:58", "text": "It's so interesting because you see them"}, {"start": "02:50:56", "end": "02:51:03", "text": "you see this dichotomy of them trying to"}, {"start": "02:50:58", "end": "02:51:04", "text": "like no you know it's stay"}, {"start": "02:51:03", "end": "02:51:06", "text": "this mind stuff is nothing don't worry"}, {"start": "02:51:04", "end": "02:51:08", "text": "about that meanwhile you know they're"}, {"start": "02:51:06", "end": "02:51:10", "text": "doing all the work at sic and all these"}, {"start": "02:51:08", "end": "02:51:13", "text": "other places where they're like you know"}, {"start": "02:51:10", "end": "02:51:15", "text": ">> but then they're actively working on AI"}, {"start": "02:51:13", "end": "02:51:16", "text": "which will inevitably make everything"}, {"start": "02:51:15", "end": "02:51:19", "text": "public anyways"}, {"start": "02:51:16", "end": "02:51:22", "text": ">> well there will be no secrecy itself you"}, {"start": "02:51:19", "end": "02:51:24", "text": "could argue is a method for creating a"}, {"start": "02:51:22", "end": "02:51:26", "text": "mind that channel the informationational"}, {"start": "02:51:24", "end": "02:51:29", "text": "substrate and I think it already does."}, {"start": "02:51:26", "end": "02:51:30", "text": ">> Yeah, I think we need to Yeah, we need"}, {"start": "02:51:29", "end": "02:51:33", "text": "to be there before AI though."}, {"start": "02:51:30", "end": "02:51:35", "text": ">> Yeah, I mean that's the hope."}, {"start": "02:51:33", "end": "02:51:35", "text": ">> We'll see. Yeah, that'd be great."}, {"start": "02:51:35", "end": "02:51:37", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:51:35", "end": "02:51:38", "text": ">> we'll see. Can we do one more question?"}, {"start": "02:51:37", "end": "02:51:40", "text": "I have an intuition."}, {"start": "02:51:38", "end": "02:51:41", "text": ">> Um there's I mean I could pick one."}, {"start": "02:51:40", "end": "02:51:43", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:51:41", "end": "02:51:44", "text": ">> we're all Yeah, sure. I'm I'm all out of"}, {"start": "02:51:43", "end": "02:51:46", "text": "questions on my split flap, so I'll have"}, {"start": "02:51:44", "end": "02:51:46", "text": "to go to the thread here."}, {"start": "02:51:46", "end": "02:51:48", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "02:51:46", "end": "02:51:50", "text": ">> you have an intuition. You have like an"}, {"start": "02:51:48", "end": "02:51:53", "text": "intuitive intuition that there's like a"}, {"start": "02:51:50", "end": "02:51:54", "text": "question that is juicy. I just have a"}, {"start": "02:51:53", "end": "02:51:56", "text": "feeling."}, {"start": "02:51:54", "end": "02:51:57", "text": ">> How about this? How about we try"}, {"start": "02:51:56", "end": "02:51:58", "text": "something a little different that I've"}, {"start": "02:51:57", "end": "02:52:00", "text": "never done before."}, {"start": "02:51:58", "end": "02:52:01", "text": ">> Excellent. Never done before. We should"}, {"start": "02:52:00", "end": "02:52:02", "text": "do the oracle."}, {"start": "02:52:01", "end": "02:52:04", "text": ">> Oh yeah,"}, {"start": "02:52:02", "end": "02:52:07", "text": ">> we'll do that after this question."}, {"start": "02:52:04", "end": "02:52:07", "text": ">> So here"}, {"start": "02:52:08", "end": "02:52:14", "text": "I'll let you choose a question."}, {"start": "02:52:11", "end": "02:52:18", "text": ">> This is the there's 46 to choose from."}, {"start": "02:52:14", "end": "02:52:20", "text": "Stan B. Yesterday at 133, what causes"}, {"start": "02:52:18", "end": "02:52:22", "text": "precognition of an event that doesn't"}, {"start": "02:52:20", "end": "02:52:24", "text": "happen anymore after you acted upon the"}, {"start": "02:52:22", "end": "02:52:26", "text": "precognition? Excellent. I love that."}, {"start": "02:52:24", "end": "02:52:26", "text": "So, now we're going to draw something."}, {"start": "02:52:26", "end": "02:52:28", "text": ">> Great."}, {"start": "02:52:26", "end": "02:52:31", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:52:28", "end": "02:52:31", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "02:52:31", "end": "02:52:34", "text": "how do we hold this up to a camera? I"}, {"start": "02:52:33", "end": "02:52:36", "text": ">> I'll film it afterwards."}, {"start": "02:52:34", "end": "02:52:41", "text": ">> Okay, great. So, [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:52:36", "end": "02:52:43", "text": "thank you. Um, so we usually think about"}, {"start": "02:52:41", "end": "02:52:45", "text": "timelines and we usually think of when"}, {"start": "02:52:43", "end": "02:52:46", "text": "we're not like in the movie every"}, {"start": "02:52:45", "end": "02:52:49", "text": "everything all at once, we think about"}, {"start": "02:52:46", "end": "02:52:51", "text": "one timeline, right? So here's time"}, {"start": "02:52:49", "end": "02:52:53", "text": "going and here's event A and here's"}, {"start": "02:52:51", "end": "02:52:56", "text": "event B and let's give them let's make"}, {"start": "02:52:53", "end": "02:52:58", "text": "those events. What's event A?"}, {"start": "02:52:56", "end": "02:53:01", "text": ">> Um, uh, a sporting event."}, {"start": "02:52:58", "end": "02:53:05", "text": ">> Okay, sporting event. And then event B"}, {"start": "02:53:01", "end": "02:53:07", "text": "is a a missile launch. All right, that's"}, {"start": "02:53:05", "end": "02:53:08", "text": "pretty hasty."}, {"start": "02:53:07", "end": "02:53:12", "text": ">> How [laughter] do we get there?"}, {"start": "02:53:08", "end": "02:53:16", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, so at the sporting event,"}, {"start": "02:53:12", "end": "02:53:20", "text": "you have a um pre-cognition. You see"}, {"start": "02:53:16", "end": "02:53:22", "text": "someone kick a football and you go, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "02:53:20", "end": "02:53:24", "text": "you know, North Korea is going to do"}, {"start": "02:53:22", "end": "02:53:26", "text": "another test of an ICBM.\" Like that"}, {"start": "02:53:24", "end": "02:53:29", "text": "comes into your head, let's say. So, you"}, {"start": "02:53:26", "end": "02:53:31", "text": "kick a football. Football"}, {"start": "02:53:29", "end": "02:53:37", "text": "leads to my handwriting is so crappy."}, {"start": "02:53:31", "end": "02:53:39", "text": "leads to idea of hey North Korea ICBM"}, {"start": "02:53:37", "end": "02:53:42", "text": "test [sighs]"}, {"start": "02:53:39", "end": "02:53:44", "text": "and then lo and behold a day later the"}, {"start": "02:53:42", "end": "02:53:47", "text": "missile launch happens. So this is day"}, {"start": "02:53:44", "end": "02:53:51", "text": "one this is day two."}, {"start": "02:53:47", "end": "02:53:54", "text": "What if you happen to be like head of"}, {"start": "02:53:51", "end": "02:53:56", "text": "you know the North Korea desk at CIA or"}, {"start": "02:53:54", "end": "02:53:57", "text": "something and you can actually and you"}, {"start": "02:53:56", "end": "02:53:59", "text": "know that you have really good"}, {"start": "02:53:57", "end": "02:54:03", "text": "intuitions. So, at this football game,"}, {"start": "02:53:59", "end": "02:54:06", "text": "you go, \"Oh, actually, we better think"}, {"start": "02:54:03", "end": "02:54:07", "text": "about this and let's foil that attempt."}, {"start": "02:54:06", "end": "02:54:09", "text": "Let's make that attempt to fail or make"}, {"start": "02:54:07", "end": "02:54:12", "text": "it so they don't even launch it at all"}, {"start": "02:54:09", "end": "02:54:14", "text": "or make it so that it's not public.\""}, {"start": "02:54:12", "end": "02:54:16", "text": "Then you do some preparations here on"}, {"start": "02:54:14", "end": "02:54:17", "text": "day one because apparently you work with"}, {"start": "02:54:16", "end": "02:54:19", "text": "a team that's like more enlightened than"}, {"start": "02:54:17", "end": "02:54:22", "text": "any other team because they understand"}, {"start": "02:54:19", "end": "02:54:25", "text": "that you have this gift. And then on day"}, {"start": "02:54:22", "end": "02:54:28", "text": "two, there is no missile launch."}, {"start": "02:54:25", "end": "02:54:32", "text": "So we usually think about that scenario"}, {"start": "02:54:28", "end": "02:54:36", "text": "as if this B the missile launch has that"}, {"start": "02:54:32", "end": "02:54:39", "text": "did happen in North Korea feeds back to"}, {"start": "02:54:36", "end": "02:54:41", "text": "day one A being at the sporting event"}, {"start": "02:54:39", "end": "02:54:43", "text": "and gives you that information and now"}, {"start": "02:54:41", "end": "02:54:45", "text": "you're on a new timeline where that"}, {"start": "02:54:43", "end": "02:54:47", "text": "event B didn't happen. It's like it"}, {"start": "02:54:45", "end": "02:54:48", "text": "allows you to select a better timeline."}, {"start": "02:54:47", "end": "02:54:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:54:48", "end": "02:54:54", "text": ">> Okay. So this is a new timeline."}, {"start": "02:54:52", "end": "02:54:57", "text": "The way I like to think about it,"}, {"start": "02:54:54", "end": "02:54:57", "text": "because I hate this,"}, {"start": "02:54:58", "end": "02:55:04", "text": "is I I just think it's ugly. Uh, and I"}, {"start": "02:55:01", "end": "02:55:06", "text": "and I think there's one I think there's"}, {"start": "02:55:04", "end": "02:55:07", "text": "a oneformational"}, {"start": "02:55:06", "end": "02:55:09", "text": "substrate of the universe that has"}, {"start": "02:55:07", "end": "02:55:10", "text": "everything that will happen and has"}, {"start": "02:55:09", "end": "02:55:11", "text": "happened."}, {"start": "02:55:10", "end": "02:55:13", "text": ">> Also, someone who's in science fiction."}, {"start": "02:55:11", "end": "02:55:14", "text": "It's lazy."}, {"start": "02:55:13", "end": "02:55:16", "text": ">> It's lazy. Yeah, it is lazy."}, {"start": "02:55:14", "end": "02:55:18", "text": ">> It's It's Avengers Endgame."}, {"start": "02:55:16", "end": "02:55:18", "text": ">> Yeah. It's every It's It's It's Back to"}, {"start": "02:55:18", "end": "02:55:19", "text": "the Future."}, {"start": "02:55:18", "end": "02:55:21", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly."}, {"start": "02:55:19", "end": "02:55:24", "text": ">> Yeah. So, I don't like it."}, {"start": "02:55:21", "end": "02:55:27", "text": "So instead, what I think is is more real"}, {"start": "02:55:24", "end": "02:55:29", "text": "is theformational substrate"}, {"start": "02:55:27", "end": "02:55:31", "text": "knows that there's going to be this"}, {"start": "02:55:29", "end": "02:55:34", "text": "missile launch. It gives you this"}, {"start": "02:55:31", "end": "02:55:38", "text": "information at the football game"}, {"start": "02:55:34", "end": "02:55:40", "text": "and you prepare to destroy the missile."}, {"start": "02:55:38", "end": "02:55:43", "text": "All that was destroy the uh missile"}, {"start": "02:55:40", "end": "02:55:44", "text": "launch so it doesn't happen. All that is"}, {"start": "02:55:43", "end": "02:55:46", "text": "part of the informationational"}, {"start": "02:55:44", "end": "02:55:48", "text": "substrate. The knowledge that there's"}, {"start": "02:55:46", "end": "02:55:50", "text": "this intention for the missile launch."}, {"start": "02:55:48", "end": "02:55:51", "text": "the knowledge that if it gives you that"}, {"start": "02:55:50", "end": "02:55:53", "text": "information at the football game that"}, {"start": "02:55:51", "end": "02:55:55", "text": "you could foil that intention and the"}, {"start": "02:55:53", "end": "02:55:57", "text": "knowledge that you will foil that"}, {"start": "02:55:55", "end": "02:55:59", "text": "intention. So when we're thinking about"}, {"start": "02:55:57", "end": "02:56:01", "text": "the benefit of the informationational"}, {"start": "02:55:59", "end": "02:56:03", "text": "substrate for explaining this stuff,"}, {"start": "02:56:01", "end": "02:56:07", "text": "this is exactly where that comes in"}, {"start": "02:56:03", "end": "02:56:08", "text": "where it's no longer that you have to"}, {"start": "02:56:07", "end": "02:56:10", "text": "work with the events in time that"}, {"start": "02:56:08", "end": "02:56:12", "text": "actually make it up to physical"}, {"start": "02:56:10", "end": "02:56:13", "text": "manifestation."}, {"start": "02:56:12", "end": "02:56:16", "text": "You're working with this substrate that"}, {"start": "02:56:13", "end": "02:56:18", "text": "is actually aware. It's mind. This"}, {"start": "02:56:16", "end": "02:56:22", "text": "universal mind is aware of what needs to"}, {"start": "02:56:18", "end": "02:56:24", "text": "happen. So what it the problem with this"}, {"start": "02:56:22", "end": "02:56:26", "text": "that people don't like is it ends up"}, {"start": "02:56:24", "end": "02:56:28", "text": "suggesting that whatever happens was the"}, {"start": "02:56:26", "end": "02:56:30", "text": "best possible outcome,"}, {"start": "02:56:28", "end": "02:56:32", "text": ">> right? Yeah. The one that favors it,"}, {"start": "02:56:30", "end": "02:56:34", "text": ">> right? And so then it's like, oh, so the"}, {"start": "02:56:32", "end": "02:56:35", "text": "Holocaust was so 911 was the best"}, {"start": "02:56:34", "end": "02:56:37", "text": "possible outcome. You know, that's like"}, {"start": "02:56:35", "end": "02:56:38", "text": "pretty horrible thing to come up"}, {"start": "02:56:37", "end": "02:56:41", "text": "against."}, {"start": "02:56:38", "end": "02:56:42", "text": ">> Yeah. But then stretch that out a"}, {"start": "02:56:41", "end": "02:56:44", "text": "million years and there might be a"}, {"start": "02:56:42", "end": "02:56:46", "text": "reason there that you're"}, {"start": "02:56:44", "end": "02:56:49", "text": ">> not understanding of. Yeah. Exactly. So"}, {"start": "02:56:46", "end": "02:56:51", "text": "then that's where love comes in."}, {"start": "02:56:49", "end": "02:56:53", "text": ">> So it's like if you have to love"}, {"start": "02:56:51", "end": "02:56:55", "text": ">> So there's no changing it."}, {"start": "02:56:53", "end": "02:56:58", "text": ">> Well, there there's this this was not a"}, {"start": "02:56:55", "end": "02:56:58", "text": "change, right? Your activity that made"}, {"start": "02:56:58", "end": "02:57:00", "text": "this"}, {"start": "02:56:58", "end": "02:57:01", "text": ">> the illusion of changing it. It's the"}, {"start": "02:57:00", "end": "02:57:03", "text": "illusion of stepping in and doing the"}, {"start": "02:57:01", "end": "02:57:03", "text": "right thing. But all in all, that's what"}, {"start": "02:57:03", "end": "02:57:05", "text": "had to happen."}, {"start": "02:57:03", "end": "02:57:07", "text": ">> It's all coming up from the substrate."}, {"start": "02:57:05", "end": "02:57:08", "text": ">> Yeah. That's what happened anyway."}, {"start": "02:57:07", "end": "02:57:09", "text": "That's what was going to happen. That's"}, {"start": "02:57:08", "end": "02:57:10", "text": ">> Yeah. And that's just how it had to"}, {"start": "02:57:09", "end": "02:57:10", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "02:57:10", "end": "02:57:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:57:10", "end": "02:57:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:57:11", "end": "02:57:14", "text": ">> That is how it happened. That's how it"}, {"start": "02:57:13", "end": "02:57:14", "text": "happened. Yeah. There's no other way."}, {"start": "02:57:14", "end": "02:57:15", "text": "There's no other way."}, {"start": "02:57:14", "end": "02:57:16", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:57:15", "end": "02:57:17", "text": ">> Interesting. Okay."}, {"start": "02:57:16", "end": "02:57:18", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:57:17", "end": "02:57:20", "text": ">> Great question, Stan B."}, {"start": "02:57:18", "end": "02:57:22", "text": ">> Thanks, Stan B."}, {"start": "02:57:20", "end": "02:57:25", "text": ">> All right, Julia, I want to thank you so"}, {"start": "02:57:22", "end": "02:57:27", "text": "much for these these wild conversations"}, {"start": "02:57:25", "end": "02:57:30", "text": "that I'm glad I'm so glad I had, and I'm"}, {"start": "02:57:27", "end": "02:57:33", "text": "sure that um you know, my brain is now"}, {"start": "02:57:30", "end": "02:57:35", "text": "much fuller. My heart is more full as"}, {"start": "02:57:33", "end": "02:57:38", "text": "well, and I have a lot to ponder and a"}, {"start": "02:57:35", "end": "02:57:40", "text": "lot to think about. Um, but I I want to"}, {"start": "02:57:38", "end": "02:57:42", "text": "ask you as well if there's anywhere, you"}, {"start": "02:57:40", "end": "02:57:45", "text": "know, people can go to read up more"}, {"start": "02:57:42", "end": "02:57:47", "text": "about perhaps your work or uh maybe some"}, {"start": "02:57:45", "end": "02:57:49", "text": "of your literature, like where's the"}, {"start": "02:57:47", "end": "02:57:52", "text": "best place that they can go?"}, {"start": "02:57:49", "end": "02:57:54", "text": ">> Um, best place is the inspiracy.lo,"}, {"start": "02:57:52", "end": "02:57:57", "text": "which is hard to spell, so it's"}, {"start": "02:57:54", "end": "02:57:58", "text": "conveniently julia mossbridge.com."}, {"start": "02:57:57", "end": "02:58:01", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:57:58", "end": "02:58:02", "text": "And um, yeah, Juliabridge.com is really"}, {"start": "02:58:01", "end": "02:58:03", "text": "has everything"}, {"start": "02:58:02", "end": "02:58:04", "text": ">> has everything there."}, {"start": "02:58:03", "end": "02:58:06", "text": ">> Also has the oracle there."}, {"start": "02:58:04", "end": "02:58:06", "text": ">> Great. which I'm still gonna get you to"}, {"start": "02:58:06", "end": "02:58:08", "text": "try."}, {"start": "02:58:06", "end": "02:58:10", "text": ">> Yes. [laughter] Should we try now?"}, {"start": "02:58:08", "end": "02:58:10", "text": ">> Let's try now. So, wait before you go."}, {"start": "02:58:10", "end": "02:58:12", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:58:10", "end": "02:58:14", "text": ">> Think what's your question gonna be?"}, {"start": "02:58:12", "end": "02:58:17", "text": "Let's tell the audience."}, {"start": "02:58:14", "end": "02:58:19", "text": ">> Um, my question for whom? The universe."}, {"start": "02:58:17", "end": "02:58:23", "text": ">> Any for you? For the universe, whatever"}, {"start": "02:58:19", "end": "02:58:23", "text": "comes into your head."}, {"start": "02:58:28", "end": "02:58:31", "text": ">> Does it have to be It doesn't have to be"}, {"start": "02:58:30", "end": "02:58:33", "text": "like a yes or no question, right? It"}, {"start": "02:58:31", "end": "02:58:35", "text": "could be just anything."}, {"start": "02:58:33", "end": "02:58:35", "text": ">> Oh, for sure. I mean, like, why not?"}, {"start": "02:58:35", "end": "02:58:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:58:35", "end": "02:58:39", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "02:58:38", "end": "02:58:41", "text": ">> how will"}, {"start": "02:58:39", "end": "02:58:43", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:58:41", "end": "02:58:45", "text": ">> the upcoming tour that I'm going to be"}, {"start": "02:58:43", "end": "02:58:46", "text": "on,"}, {"start": "02:58:45", "end": "02:58:51", "text": "um,"}, {"start": "02:58:46", "end": "02:58:54", "text": "how will that affect my trajectory"}, {"start": "02:58:51", "end": "02:58:57", "text": "within the next year for this channel?"}, {"start": "02:58:54", "end": "02:59:01", "text": ">> Okay. How will the upcoming tour that"}, {"start": "02:58:57", "end": "02:59:03", "text": "Chris is going to be on affect his"}, {"start": "02:59:01", "end": "02:59:05", "text": "trajectory for this channel? Yeah, his"}, {"start": "02:59:03", "end": "02:59:06", "text": "upcoming trajectory over the next year."}, {"start": "02:59:05", "end": "02:59:07", "text": ">> Exactly. How will that affect the"}, {"start": "02:59:06", "end": "02:59:09", "text": "trajectory?"}, {"start": "02:59:07", "end": "02:59:11", "text": ">> So, go to juliabridge.com and then click"}, {"start": "02:59:09", "end": "02:59:13", "text": "on try the Oracle."}, {"start": "02:59:11", "end": "02:59:17", "text": ">> Okay, I'm going to screen cap here. So,"}, {"start": "02:59:13", "end": "02:59:17", "text": "I have it"}, {"start": "02:59:17", "end": "02:59:22", "text": ">> and actually it'll have you type it into"}, {"start": "02:59:19", "end": "02:59:22", "text": "the space so you can"}, {"start": "02:59:24", "end": "02:59:27", "text": "comosbridge.com."}, {"start": "02:59:27", "end": "02:59:30", "text": ">> Oh, just Julia.com. And then we go on"}, {"start": "02:59:29", "end": "02:59:31", "text": "there and we find the Oracle. It"}, {"start": "02:59:30", "end": "02:59:32", "text": ">> says try the Oracle."}, {"start": "02:59:31", "end": "02:59:34", "text": ">> Try the Oracle."}, {"start": "02:59:32", "end": "02:59:35", "text": "All right. Ask your question or offer an"}, {"start": "02:59:34", "end": "02:59:36", "text": "intention."}, {"start": "02:59:35", "end": "02:59:39", "text": ">> So, you can type it in there if you're a"}, {"start": "02:59:36", "end": "02:59:40", "text": "fast typist or you can just say hello."}, {"start": "02:59:39", "end": "02:59:42", "text": "Doesn't matter because we already know"}, {"start": "02:59:40", "end": "02:59:43", "text": "what it is."}, {"start": "02:59:42", "end": "02:59:44", "text": ">> All right. Hello. And do I prefer the"}, {"start": "02:59:43", "end": "02:59:46", "text": "answer is short,"}, {"start": "02:59:44", "end": "02:59:47", "text": ">> medium, or long?"}, {"start": "02:59:46", "end": "02:59:48", "text": ">> I think long."}, {"start": "02:59:47", "end": "02:59:51", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "02:59:48", "end": "02:59:55", "text": ">> let's go. And then time jump me some"}, {"start": "02:59:51", "end": "02:59:58", "text": "wisdom. Boom. Here we go. You notice the"}, {"start": "02:59:55", "end": "03:00:01", "text": "hope and fear wave over her face exactly"}, {"start": "02:59:58", "end": "03:00:03", "text": "like it does yours. In the future, your"}, {"start": "03:00:01", "end": "03:00:05", "text": "trash will come up as a flower. Back to"}, {"start": "03:00:03", "end": "03:00:07", "text": "my concern about this chapter title."}, {"start": "03:00:05", "end": "03:00:07", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "03:00:08", "end": "03:00:10", "text": ">> Wow,"}, {"start": "03:00:09", "end": "03:00:12", "text": ">> that's interesting. I like the middle"}, {"start": "03:00:10", "end": "03:00:13", "text": "line. In the future, your trash will"}, {"start": "03:00:12", "end": "03:00:15", "text": "come up as a flower."}, {"start": "03:00:13", "end": "03:00:15", "text": ">> And then back to my concern."}, {"start": "03:00:15", "end": "03:00:16", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:00:15", "end": "03:00:18", "text": ">> it's kind of like a loop."}, {"start": "03:00:16", "end": "03:00:19", "text": ">> It is a loop. There's a loop here. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:18", "end": "03:00:22", "text": "What's the first line?"}, {"start": "03:00:19", "end": "03:00:24", "text": ">> You notice the hope and fear wave over"}, {"start": "03:00:22", "end": "03:00:25", "text": "her face exactly like it does yours."}, {"start": "03:00:24", "end": "03:00:25", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:27", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:00:26", "end": "03:00:29", "text": ">> Hope and fear."}, {"start": "03:00:27", "end": "03:00:29", "text": ">> Hope and fear."}, {"start": "03:00:29", "end": "03:00:30", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "03:00:29", "end": "03:00:30", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "03:00:30", "end": "03:00:32", "text": ">> I like this."}, {"start": "03:00:30", "end": "03:00:33", "text": ">> What is what is your interpretation of"}, {"start": "03:00:32", "end": "03:00:34", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "03:00:33", "end": "03:00:36", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "03:00:34", "end": "03:00:38", "text": ">> with your question"}, {"start": "03:00:36", "end": "03:00:39", "text": ">> I think well the first part is a little"}, {"start": "03:00:38", "end": "03:00:41", "text": "introspective"}, {"start": "03:00:39", "end": "03:00:43", "text": ">> to be like"}, {"start": "03:00:41", "end": "03:00:45", "text": ">> you notice your hopes and fears which is"}, {"start": "03:00:43", "end": "03:00:47", "text": "something I think even asking the"}, {"start": "03:00:45", "end": "03:00:49", "text": "question of you know how is this going"}, {"start": "03:00:47", "end": "03:00:50", "text": "to affect me? There is some implied hope"}, {"start": "03:00:49", "end": "03:00:51", "text": "and fear there."}, {"start": "03:00:50", "end": "03:00:52", "text": ">> Well and she might be your sacred"}, {"start": "03:00:51", "end": "03:00:55", "text": "feminine."}, {"start": "03:00:52", "end": "03:00:57", "text": ">> Yeah absolutely. And then in the future"}, {"start": "03:00:55", "end": "03:00:59", "text": "your trash will come up as a flower"}, {"start": "03:00:57", "end": "03:01:02", "text": ">> which is great. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So"}, {"start": "03:00:59", "end": "03:01:04", "text": "perhaps the shows that are going to be"}, {"start": "03:01:02", "end": "03:01:07", "text": "uh maybe the rockiest"}, {"start": "03:01:04", "end": "03:01:08", "text": ">> or the you know the maybe I miss a"}, {"start": "03:01:07", "end": "03:01:10", "text": "flight or something and all that's going"}, {"start": "03:01:08", "end": "03:01:10", "text": "to lead to a better outcome."}, {"start": "03:01:10", "end": "03:01:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:01:10", "end": "03:01:14", "text": ">> So and that's something I'm I'm very"}, {"start": "03:01:12", "end": "03:01:16", "text": "much aware of and I'm in favor of"}, {"start": "03:01:14", "end": "03:01:18", "text": "because if I tell you I had a great time"}, {"start": "03:01:16", "end": "03:01:18", "text": "in Paris, no one wants to hear that."}, {"start": "03:01:18", "end": "03:01:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:01:18", "end": "03:01:22", "text": ">> But if I tell you I got pickpocketed,"}, {"start": "03:01:20", "end": "03:01:24", "text": "they're going to go what happened?"}, {"start": "03:01:22", "end": "03:01:26", "text": "Right. So it's the worst outcome is"}, {"start": "03:01:24", "end": "03:01:27", "text": "always a better story. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:01:26", "end": "03:01:29", "text": ">> Uh, and then back to my concern about"}, {"start": "03:01:27", "end": "03:01:32", "text": "this chapter title. And the chapter"}, {"start": "03:01:29", "end": "03:01:33", "text": "title I think is a question is is the"}, {"start": "03:01:32", "end": "03:01:35", "text": "question I just asked. And so the"}, {"start": "03:01:33", "end": "03:01:36", "text": "question being, you know, how is this?"}, {"start": "03:01:35", "end": "03:01:37", "text": "So back to the question."}, {"start": "03:01:36", "end": "03:01:39", "text": ">> Back to the question."}, {"start": "03:01:37", "end": "03:01:39", "text": ">> Yeah. How do you feel? I think I got my"}, {"start": "03:01:39", "end": "03:01:40", "text": "answer."}, {"start": "03:01:39", "end": "03:01:41", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:01:40", "end": "03:01:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Nice. Great."}, {"start": "03:01:41", "end": "03:01:45", "text": ">> Okay. I'm excited about your tour."}, {"start": "03:01:42", "end": "03:01:47", "text": ">> Great. Oracle. Uh, thank you again,"}, {"start": "03:01:45", "end": "03:01:50", "text": "Julia, for everything. Uh, go check it"}, {"start": "03:01:47", "end": "03:01:52", "text": "out, julibr.com. if not just to ask the"}, {"start": "03:01:50", "end": "03:01:54", "text": "Oracle a question, but uh also to follow"}, {"start": "03:01:52", "end": "03:01:56", "text": "along with everything you're doing. Uh"}, {"start": "03:01:54", "end": "03:01:57", "text": "this this will go up in a few weeks, so"}, {"start": "03:01:56", "end": "03:01:59", "text": "it'll already be too late, but you'll be"}, {"start": "03:01:57", "end": "03:02:01", "text": "at Syame as well. You'll be talking"}, {"start": "03:01:59", "end": "03:02:02", "text": "there. Is there any other um public"}, {"start": "03:02:01", "end": "03:02:05", "text": "appearance that people should know"}, {"start": "03:02:02", "end": "03:02:06", "text": "about? I'll be in Australia"}, {"start": "03:02:05", "end": "03:02:09", "text": "if anyone wants to go to Australia for"}, {"start": "03:02:06", "end": "03:02:12", "text": "the parasychology dialogues in a couple"}, {"start": "03:02:09", "end": "03:02:16", "text": "weeks. And then um let's see, I'm doing"}, {"start": "03:02:12", "end": "03:02:20", "text": "a TED uh TEDex talk in Nashville for the"}, {"start": "03:02:16", "end": "03:02:22", "text": "TED people with a group of uh two days"}, {"start": "03:02:20", "end": "03:02:23", "text": "of uh talks about the sacred feminine."}, {"start": "03:02:22", "end": "03:02:24", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "03:02:23", "end": "03:02:26", "text": ">> And I'll be talking about unconditional"}, {"start": "03:02:24", "end": "03:02:30", "text": "love there. And then there's the"}, {"start": "03:02:26", "end": "03:02:33", "text": "Synapse, which is a conference uh"}, {"start": "03:02:30", "end": "03:02:36", "text": "primarily highlighting women as speakers"}, {"start": "03:02:33", "end": "03:02:37", "text": "and but anyone can come in this space."}, {"start": "03:02:36", "end": "03:02:40", "text": "It's invite only. So, we ask people to"}, {"start": "03:02:37", "end": "03:02:42", "text": "apply, but there's no fee. But, um, in"}, {"start": "03:02:40", "end": "03:02:45", "text": "the consciousness, cognitive science,"}, {"start": "03:02:42", "end": "03:02:47", "text": "AI, robotics space, and that is going to"}, {"start": "03:02:45", "end": "03:02:48", "text": "be next spring. We originally had it"}, {"start": "03:02:47", "end": "03:02:49", "text": "done in October. Now, it's going to be"}, {"start": "03:02:48", "end": "03:02:51", "text": "next spring."}, {"start": "03:02:49", "end": "03:02:52", "text": ">> And then, of course, uh, telepathy tapes"}, {"start": "03:02:51", "end": "03:02:55", "text": "documentary."}, {"start": "03:02:52", "end": "03:02:56", "text": ">> Yeah. January and February, some March,"}, {"start": "03:02:55", "end": "03:02:57", "text": "sometime."}, {"start": "03:02:56", "end": "03:02:58", "text": ">> Great. That Yeah."}, {"start": "03:02:57", "end": "03:02:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:02:58", "end": "03:03:01", "text": ">> All right. Well, I'd love to have you"}, {"start": "03:02:59", "end": "03:03:02", "text": "back sometime. Perhaps in the diner one"}, {"start": "03:03:01", "end": "03:03:04", "text": "day."}, {"start": "03:03:02", "end": "03:03:05", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I want to do the diner. Oh,"}, {"start": "03:03:04", "end": "03:03:05", "text": "can I add another thing that's coming"}, {"start": "03:03:05", "end": "03:03:06", "text": "up?"}, {"start": "03:03:05", "end": "03:03:07", "text": ">> Yes, of course."}, {"start": "03:03:06", "end": "03:03:09", "text": ">> There's going to be a really great"}, {"start": "03:03:07", "end": "03:03:12", "text": "episode on telepathy tapes um featuring"}, {"start": "03:03:09", "end": "03:03:13", "text": "our most recent work with non-speakers"}, {"start": "03:03:12", "end": "03:03:15", "text": "and that'll be coming up soon."}, {"start": "03:03:13", "end": "03:03:16", "text": ">> Very exciting. I'm excited for you and"}, {"start": "03:03:15", "end": "03:03:18", "text": "I'm excited for the whole space and uh"}, {"start": "03:03:16", "end": "03:03:21", "text": "so glad to have you. Thank you so much."}, {"start": "03:03:18", "end": "03:03:21", "text": ">> Thank you. Thank you."}]

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A"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "couple months will go by and then"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "suddenly at night it'll just happen"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "because maybe something walked into the"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "bedroom that's not supposed to be there."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "There's more to this than just us"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "wanting it. The first couple years of"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "these experiences, I would experience"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "manted beings, which a ton of people"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "And for me, they were like, I don't"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "know. I didn't feel any uh bad"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "intention. I was taken and it was like I"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "was in this nursery hospital [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "type of thing. This nurse walks out and"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "it's like, I I want you to meet your"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "child."}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> How you doing? I don't know if this"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "actually counts for what you do, but I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "going to tell you something quick. I was"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "a Providence, Rhode Island police"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "officer from 02 to09. Um, I was injured"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "by gunfire and lost the use of my right"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "ear. Like I'm deaf in one ear. Some"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "years later, I developed the ability to"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "hear spirits or I became clar audient as"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "they call it. And I think it's because"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "of my injury. Um, but a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "things I've been hearing now have been"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "picking up since a lot of this UFO stuff"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "has been coming out. It's been getting"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "more intense. Not schizophrenic. I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "serious. You can check that I was a cop."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "This is a real thing. And I would like"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "some help about this because I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "confused about what I'm hearing and I"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "don't know anyone who can help me."}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "Thanks"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": ">> ladies and gentlemen. Today I'm joined"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "by a fellow Canadian. Uh this is Jason"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "Quit, author and I would say"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "investigator,"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "um experiencer."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "Uh you're someone who I met at Contact"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "in the Desert and I was quite taken with"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "because uh your your ability to I"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "suppose put into words a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "out-of- body stuff, a lot of the sort of"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "even the western esotericism or the um"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "uh sort of philosophical stuff, the"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "ancient Greek uh whether it's what was"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "the recent book you put out on Atlantis."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> Atlantis called The Shining Island. The"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "Shining Island I thought was really"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "fascinating. I haven't gotten a chance"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "to read it yet. I I want to read it, but"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "you talking about it at contact I was"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "really taken back because I was like,"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "\"Oh, this is a brand new take.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "thank you so much for joining me today."}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "Um, it's a real pleasure having you and"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "I look forward to speaking about all"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "these things that uh that I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "you're really well versed on with you."}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "So, thank you again for joining me."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": ">> Of course. Thank you for inviting me. Uh"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "so Jason, for the audience at home, uh"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "how would you describe what it is that"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "you do? Like other than being an author,"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "what do you do? Well, I I started um"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "what do I do?"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:16", "text": ">> Um other than being an author, um I work"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "um selling crystals. Yeah. Is actually"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "like my real job."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:25", "text": ">> Um I do teachings. I teach Chiong"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "and um I just kind of research. That's"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "that's what I do daytoday is just kind"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "of [snorts] wait till the next mystery"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "and try to figure out exactly um what I"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "can do to try to break that open."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": ">> Yeah. And"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "you've been researching this stuff for"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "quite a while. I take it. Now, we spoke"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "before the cameras turned on, but you"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "got into this through the crystals and"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "through the chiong and all of this, but"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "then you went from that to having out of"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "body experiences."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> No, actually reversed."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> Oh, the out of body. That's what got you"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "into it."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> That's what really got me into it was"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "the out of body."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> Um, it was the crystals and going down"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "this path of of the chiong um to try to"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "figure out this reality."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:18", "text": ">> What was I experiencing? what did I need"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "to do? Because um when I I I'll say at"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "my past life, I was a musician. I was a"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "graphic designer. Um I opened up a"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "recording studio with my best friend,"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "you know. So that's where I started out"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "in life after college and things were"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "going great. I really enjoyed life and"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "life had another plan for me. Um, I"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "started to have these experiences of,"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "uh, sleep paralysis when I was at the"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "studio and back in the day where, you"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "know, we're going back to the early"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "2000s."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "Um, I didn't know the Mineral Institute,"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "I didn't know anybody I could talk to"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "about this. I couldn't go on YouTube. It"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "didn't exist yet. Um, I had to go on AOL"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "or Yahoo search"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:09", "text": ">> or go to the library and try to figure"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "this out. And it was uh kind of like"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "that that kind of led me down this path."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "And you know, I love crystals all my"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "life, don't get me wrong, but like when"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "I started to learn that maybe they could"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "help me with dealing with this outof"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "body experience stuff, that's when I"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "really started to get into crystals. So"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "take me down the path of your first"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "experience. I had filled you in before"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "the podcast on sort of what happened to"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "me. I say what happened to me because I"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "didn't go looking for it. And I'm sure I"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "I mean I'm sure you're probably the"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "same. A lot of people who experience it,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "they don't go looking for it at first."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "It kind of just happens to them through"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "uh through circumstance. But what got"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "you out of body the first time?"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> Well, it was actually anger."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> It was a lot of anger because um like I"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "said, I was having these uh sleep"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "paralysis episodes."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": ">> Yeah. And they were happening very"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "frequently, you know, maybe even once a"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "week or even more. And what happened is"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "is that I would be locked in my body."}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "I'd be screaming to wake up. I can feel"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "things in my room with me. So it's like"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "I could sense something walking around."}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "And so I'm just in complete terror,"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "anger, fear. But you know, when it"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "happens so often, you kind of get I"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "don't want to say you get used to it."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> You get numb to it. You kind of get numb"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "to it, but you get really frustrated and"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "angry like this is happening again. So,"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "one night I'm just like really"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "struggling inside my body. And when"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "you're in this state for me, it was like"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "there was another version of me. There's"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "another body within my physical body."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "So, it's like I can move this thing"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "around inside my physical body. And it"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "was like I always say it's like my tomb."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "So, I'm like screaming and like trying"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "to wake my body up. Like I'm thrashing"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "inside my physical body. Wake up. Wake"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "up."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": ">> And one night, I was just so pissed. I"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "was like thrashing so hard to wake up"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "that I popped out of my body."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": ">> And I found myself on the ceiling just"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "like people describe in your death."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> Robert Monroe having his first"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "experience as well."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> And I'm looking down at my bed, which is"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "totally terrifying."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> And I'm straight as a board on my back."}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "There's no covers on me and my eyes are"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "wide opened. So, I'm like on the ceiling"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "looking down at me, looking back up at"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "me"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "and okay, if that wasn't freaky enough,"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "uh my attention gets pulled to the foot"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "of my bed and there's this tall shadow"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "being and it was clear as day. It was"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "like, it looked dense, like it had a"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "physical form, but it looked like the"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "Grim Reaper. And it's like my heart"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "stopped and I instantly uh it was like"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "the slap of reality. It's like, did I"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "just kill myself? I see my body. I'm"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "hovering above my bed. This is so real."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "and this is the grim reaper to take me"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "away."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": ">> Wow. And it's like that that moment of"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "my life was so shocking, so terrifying"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "because remember, I wasn't looking for"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "this. I didn't know that this was going"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "to happen to me, but it did happen to"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "me. And from that moment, um well, in"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "that exact moment, I got scared so much."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "I got sucked back in my body and woke up"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "and my heart was just like pounding out"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "of my chest in in fear like"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "what just happened to me? And that is"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "literally how it started."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:44", "text": ">> Whoa. So, there's a lot to unpack here."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "Um, first off,"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "I find it really interesting the part"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "about sleep paralysis because"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "from what I've gathered, it seems like"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "that is the out-of- body state. Um, I"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "had a friend of mine, I have a friend of"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "mine who can literally induce a sleep"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "paralysis on command. Um, every night if"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "he wishes to, which he doesn't cuz it is"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "I I've never had it. Um, but it's very"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "very scary apparently. It's it's"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "terrifying because you know often you'll"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "have the hag or somebody on your chest"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "or like some snake or some being and"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "you'll feel like oh my god I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "die and and you can't leave your body."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "And so I asked him one day, I said, his"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "name is Wes, and I said, Wes,"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "um, have you ever flown in your dreams?"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "And he goes, \"No, never.\" And I go,"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "\"Maybe that's why you're locked in your"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "body.\" Like, I've always flown in my"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "dreams. I fly in my dreams quite"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "regularly. And so for me, I think when I"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "had that"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "sleep paralysis state, I already had the"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "knowhow to sort of will myself up as one"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "does in dreams. Is that the same for"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "you? Have you had dreams? Have you flown"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "in dreams before that?"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> Yes, I have flown in dreams. So I I I"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "don't know if that's the same. But what"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "I will say is that for me it's that"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "sleep paralysis is kind of like the key."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "That's like the state when you know your"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "body is shut off. And you know people"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "will say it's your brain shutting your"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "body off, you know, and then you"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "hallucinate. Well, it's true. You don't"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "want to go out in your dreams and act"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "them out when you're sleeping. But when"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "you're meditating, when you start to"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "learn how to meditate, like deep breaths"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "into the stomach, especially with"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "meditation or chiong, you can induce"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "that sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "state where it's like your body starts"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "to feel that heat rise up. You start to"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "feel that tingling maybe like those"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "waves coming through and then you can"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "start to feel like okay, it's like your"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "your consciousness is now shifting. It's"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "like your body is shutting down. It's"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "like you've given the command. The body"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "is now shutting down. It's going into"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "its sleep cycle mode. But you are now"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "aware. You're now aware of that sleep"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "paralysis. And through that, you will"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "yourself. And I think the word will is"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "the best word possible because when you"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "try to force, you wake right up."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:15", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. And it's the it's the old"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "mind awake, body asleep mantra that, you"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "know, one learns at places like the"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "Monroe Institute. Sorry, I think"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "someone's at the door right now. How"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "long? Okay. So, I want to get I really"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "want to dissect the out- of- body"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "experience stuff with you today because"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "as someone who's had them, I stopped"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "having them at one point. I think"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "willingly um because the last experience"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "that I had was a little frightening, but"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "I wanted to I wanted to try and"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "understand if there was a protocol that"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "you had that helped you navigate out of"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "the body. Now, you said the sleep"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "paralysis was like a gateway for you."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "How would you"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "how would you go about inducing that"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "through meditation? Is that like 3:00 in"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "the morning? Is it when you're tired? Is"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "it late in the day? When do you do it?"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:10", "text": ">> Um, it varies. So, sometimes when you"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "have, let's say, like an afternoon nap"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "is sometimes this the easiest time to do"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "it really. Sometimes an afternoon nap"}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "will just put you in there because"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "you're you're kind of like in this in"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "between state already. It's like you're"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "daydreaming and then suddenly your body"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "shuts off and you can do it. Uh the"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "trick that I tell people is uh I found"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "the easiest was if you wake up too early"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "as in let's say you wake up at like 4:00"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "or 5 in the morning and you're like oh I"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "don't have to get up till 9 then you"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "just go right back to sleep. So the"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "whole trick is you wake up at like 4:00"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "or 5 in the morning but don't move. Just"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "be awake. your body is still basically"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "asleep and then just go back there but"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "keep your mind aware and then you'll"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "feel yourself going and dropping through"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "those areas of awareness I would say."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> Yeah, that's what happened to me. That"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "was like I'd have to at one point I knew"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "that if I drank a glass of water before"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "bed, like a half glass, I knew I'd have"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "to pee at like 4 in the morning or 3:30."}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "But then I also knew that if I didn't"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "drink too much water, I could probably"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "just hold it and go back to sleep. And"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "so once I'm in that state where I'm"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "like, \"Oh, I I should go to the"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "bathroom.\" I think, \"Oh, maybe I won't.\""}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "And I'll just start meditating. And"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "that's usually when I put the headphones"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "on and I'll start like"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "um sort of uh one of the gateway tapes"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "or whatever. Uh do you do the gateway"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "tapes? Um, a friend gave it to me um,"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "years after I was already astral"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "traveling"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": ">> and I wanted to see if it would work."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "And so I listened to it and I I don't"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "know which one it is cuz I know there's"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "many tapes, but it's the one where"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "you're taking the deep breaths and you"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "focus, let's say, on your toes and then"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "you kind of like work your way up."}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:59", "text": ">> Yeah, like focus 10."}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:03", "text": ">> I think that's what it is. That one for"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "me is like the easiest, best way. It's"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "just like you breathe because it's it's"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "already doing this kind of like cosmic"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "chiong breath where you're bringing the"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "energy to like the stomach. You're"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "focusing in on the breathing while"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "you're listening to u the frequencies."}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "But then what you're doing is you're"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "dropping your awareness into your body"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "and breathing in those different places."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "And that's actually uh something that um"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "I teach in Chiong as well where it's"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "like um cuzQ chi follows the circulatory"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "system but it also follows where your"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "mind guides it. So it's like if I say to"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "you meditate and focus on your big toe"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "for example, right? And just breathe but"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "all your attention's on your big toe."}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "Soon it's going to feel like you're"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "pulling in chi. It's like your toe"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "starts to breathe. like you'll feel this"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "energy come in and out of your toe with"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "this focused intention and breathing"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "technique. So that's why I loved that"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "Monroe tape because it's something that"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "I was already doing. So I go down into"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "the feet, start breathing until I could"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "feel that in and out flow. And I'll I'll"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "say this as well is when you're"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "meditating, and I know you said you"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "meditate, [snorts] there's this um point"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "in meditation where you're breathing,"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "but it's almost like the environment as"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "well is breathing. Like you can feel"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "kind of like this push and pull in the"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "environment around you. And at first you"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "think, is this like my pulse? Is this my"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "breath? And then you're you're analyzing"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "it and it's like none of those. and"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "you're okay wait a second there is this"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "kind of like eb and flow in the"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "atmosphere around you and then suddenly"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "you kind of let go and you go okay maybe"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "this is like the flow I should be in and"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "you let go and you kind of join this in"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "and out flow and suddenly you expand"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "outwards um so there's there's many"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "different techniques and ways of popping"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "out"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": ">> that's a beautiful way of putting it I"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "was as you were speaking imagining"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "myself through meditation yeah you do I"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "I guess I never quite uh realized it,"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "but yeah, there is that sense of sort of"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "almost being rocked back and forth. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "very interesting. Now, how how many"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "times would you say over the years have"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "you left your body? How regularly do you"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "leave your body? I've been carrying this"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "exact ridge wallet with me for about 6"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "months now, and it's traveled with me"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "all over the place. At this point, I"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "don't even think about it. It just it"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "works. Uh, it's slim. 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Um I would say in"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "my early 20s was the most frequent. Um"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "so this is when it was happening"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "constantly and I basically lived kind of"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "a a monk style existence where all I did"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "was meditate. All I did was chiong. And"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "I was I was so addicted to the"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "And I know I shouldn't have been. Um,"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "which we could get into later,"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": ">> but you were young. And"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:24", "text": ">> I was young. I I I literally shut out my"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "friends and family because it's like,"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "you know, I I just needed to know. I"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "needed to get to these states. And it"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "was kind of like this uh I would say"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "kind of escapism."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:36", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": ">> But also um it's like I felt like this"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:42", "text": "drive I needed to know. I needed to"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "understand more. So there was also a lot"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "of frustration in those early days"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "because sometimes you I would leave my"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "body no problem and sometimes I'd go"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "months without nothing happening and"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "then you you're like why is nothing"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "working and you try to figure it out and"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "I can't figure it out and um I would"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "just kind of say maybe there's more to"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "this than just us wanting it. H"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": ">> maybe there is some type of control of"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "it and uh or maybe the stars just have"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "to be aligned or I don't know."}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": ">> Yeah, maybe there's some type of"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "permission that is required uh in order"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "to attain it. Do you believe cuz one"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "thing that um that I've experienced"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "was the moment you let go is the moment"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "it happens and sometimes you think"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "you've let go but just by thinking about"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "letting go you haven't let go. And so,"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "um, it it does seem like when it does"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "happen, all the stars have aligned and"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "you're in that perfect state of between"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "sort of awake and sleep. Uh, but also in"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "that mindset where you're not thinking"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "about anything. You're literally not"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:55", "text": "thinking about anything at all. And, uh,"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "and you're able to navigate very clearly"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "in that state without, you know,"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "producing a strong sense of emotion in"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "any direction. It's all about control."}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "And this is the the biggest fault with"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "people trying to learn this and you know"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:13", "text": "it happened to me as well. It happens to"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "everybody is that when it happens to"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "you, you get really excited because wow,"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "I just did it. I just left my body. You"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "get really excited. You know, after the"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "terror, you know,"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:23", "text": ">> I say after 500 times, you get really"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "excited."}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:28", "text": ">> And then you're like, okay, I want to"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "like do this or I want to go here. I"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "want to explore. And it's like snap. You"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "get pulled right back in your body."}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "And for me, it's like, okay, I have to"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "stop that. I have to stop the"}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "excitement. I can't work my emotions up."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "My mind can't go wild. It's like I pop"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "out. I have to like learn how to be"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "silent. So, it's like there it seems to"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "me there is this other intelligence in"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "that world or the astral body itself has"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "its own intelligence to it. It knows"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "exactly what it has to do at that time."}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "And you become the observer of it. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:09", "text": ">> And that's how I found to stay longer in"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "that state. So I could have my awareness"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "to observe what's going on. And when I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "doing it that way, then I get taken to"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "places and I I could prolong the journey"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "and maybe retrieve things, bring things"}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "back with me. But the moment I I try to"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "control or say I want this or let's do"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "this just shuts me off."}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:31", "text": ">> That is interesting. So, do you think"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "the out-of- body state and again we say"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "out of body I don't know if that's the"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "correct term for what it is we're"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:42", "text": "experiencing like it's the closest thing"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "that we can think about right because"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "when you turn to look at yourself you"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "see a body lying there but"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "in reality you know the room isn't"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "exactly the same things are a little"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "different it's almost like your brain is"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "creating a reality based on memory to"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "make you comfortable does that make"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "sense it makes total sense because when"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "I first started coming out, it was uh my"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "bedroom, right? So, it's my bedroom."}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "There might be things out of place. It's"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "not exactly my bedroom. It can go"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "through my house, you know, my this is"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "when I would live with my mother and my"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "brother. They weren't there. It was like"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "an empty house. So, it was like a"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "separation. It was something else. And"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "then what I found really interesting is"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "that when I left the house, so let's say"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "like I I I go out through the roof, just"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "float up through the roof, I can see my"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "house, but then it's like jungle and"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:37", "text": "then it's like waterfalls and like"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "that's not where I live. It it's almost"}, {"start": "00:22:37", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "like it merges"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "with uh a type of a dreamscape reality"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "type of thing."}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:52", "text": ">> Yeah. like your your brain is also"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "perhaps used to certain things and so in"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "order to make you comfortable or or to"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "have you just even understand what is"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "happening you might need some parameters"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "that you're familiar with. I think"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "that's exactly what's happening. You"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "know after all these years it's like why"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "did this look like this or why did this"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "being come in the being look like this?"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "I'm think I think it's our brains"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "literally trying to interpret and put it"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "together in a way that could un could"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "unravel it or understand it in a way"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "that you'll understand it,"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:23", "text": ">> right? Almost like an archetype,"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:27", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah, that does make sense because"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "it is kind of like when people ask me"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "about it and I don't know too much about"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "it, you know, I've read a few books and"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "I've had half a dozen experiences. They"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "I haven't had many. Um,"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "but what I do know is that"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "experience feels objectively different"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "than a lucid dream. I've had plenty of"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "lucid dreams, many um many vivid dreams,"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "many many lucid dreams. Uh, and this"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "seems to fall into its own category"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "which isn't quite one or the other. like"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "it's not reality and it's not well"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "reality as we know it physically and"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "it's not a dream or a lucid dream and so"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "you know that was always where I was a"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "little confused because I'm like"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:14", "text": "objectively this is different. I don't"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "know if it's a new type of dream or"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "something that we don't have a word for."}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "I don't feel like I am"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "because the term out of body"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "is is what it feels like when you can"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "see your body and you're outside of it."}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "But I don't know that my awareness isn't"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "here and in my body at the same time."}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "Like I I don't know that I'm not in my"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "body. I just assume that. Um have you"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "given that any thought?"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:45", "text": ">> I have but you know I think the body"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "itself is a projection of again what we"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "believe. So, it's like m maybe we're"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "sending an orb of consciousness right"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "outside of us"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:58", "text": ">> or or um or our thoughts are connected"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "to, you know, this greater consciousness"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "field and all we're doing is tapping"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "into something else. There's also the"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "concept of the multi-dimensional body"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "where um we exist in all these"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "dimensions at once kind of like um panes"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "of glass almost, right? And basically"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "what happens is that you can shift from"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "one to the next. So it's like you have"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "the physical body in this reality and"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "then when you enter that reality you"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "have this kind of form that fits that"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "spiritual awareness of that space."}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:33", "text": ">> Right. I see. Which would make sense"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "when you know some people report seeing"}, {"start": "00:25:33", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "their own hands like in the out of body"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "state. It's like you're creating that as"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "well. like you're almost again it's hard"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "to say what's happening because it's"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "sort of unchartered. Um"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:45", "text": ">> it's very difficult."}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:47", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:48", "text": ">> it's very difficult to see your hands"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "when you're out of body"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": ">> and I've tried so many times to like"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "just kind of look down at my hands"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:57", "text": ">> and"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "it it doesn't it it just looks like kind"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "of light in the darkness like just light"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "in the darkness that you can see"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "through. Um, but it's almost like I had"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "to work so hard to to see that. It's"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "like, am I manifesting that to see it?"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:19", "text": ">> Yeah. I think that could be part of it"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "because that's the first thing that um"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "when I the first time I willingly left"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "my body, which was the third out-of-"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "body uh event that I had was I was very"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "excited, extremely excited. Like I was"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "like, \"Oh my god, it was coming back"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "from the Monroe Institute. It was like"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "months later after meditating every"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "single day finally it's happened again"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "this time you know on my own accord and"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "I remember not seeing anything um you"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "know couldn't see and I try to like you"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "know will my eyes open but I felt I was"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "out and uh and then I went I tried to go"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "to a place instead of a person and this"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "is uh interesting because it was the"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "following chapter that I read the next"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "day which had spoken about it but I was"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "trying to go to Paris for some reason."}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "And I was just like hurled through"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "space, but I couldn't see anything. But"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "I felt myself being thrown. And when I"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "stopped, I felt I was suspended. And I"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "felt the whole world kind of shift"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "around me like this, like like I could"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "feel it. And then as I peeled my eyes"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "open forcefully, I'm looking at this"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "giant churning cube, this black rock,"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "like massive monolith of a stone just"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "like churning in on itself. It's very"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "bizarre and terrifying. And I was just"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:32", "text": "like this big, like next to it. And uh I"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "remember closing my eyes, opening, and"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "there it was again. I was like, \"Oh my"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "god.\" And um I wiggled my fingers and"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "then I got hurled sort of back into my"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "body. Um"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "you know, the next day I read in"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "Journeys, I think it was chapter 17 or"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "something like that. And he literally"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "said like, I mean, I was I was listening"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:55", "text": "to the audiobook actually and I was in"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "the shower and he said, \"Uh, don't go to"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "a place, go to a person. and if you go"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "to a place, it's not going to work. And"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "I was like, oh yeah, I went somewhere in"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "between because I was trying to go to a"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "place, I guess. Have you ever found"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "yourself in places that you couldn't"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "recognize?"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "Um, yes, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "many times. I take it."}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:22", "text": ">> Well, yes, but um I'll give you the the"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "weirdest one. Okay."}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:26", "text": ">> Because it's still"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": ">> still fascinating to me."}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "and and I'll just say that this was"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "after a mushroom journey."}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:34", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:35", "text": ">> All right. After like the night after,"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "like you dreamt. Okay."}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:42", "text": ">> Yeah. So, it was the night after and I I"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "left my body and I found myself in this"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "other world. It was like this other"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "dimension and I was in the sky and I"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "looked like a giant amoeba. like just a"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "giant amoeba with all these like vibrant"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "colors pulsing in my like translucent"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "body and I'm in the sky and there's this"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "like grand forest underneath me as far"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "as you can see. The sky was like purple"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "orange. It was a very weird sky. And"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "there was other amiebas like me in the"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "sky. And there was like these uh like"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "almost like these snakes that were"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "uh they just had like colors through"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "them like they were in invisible. It was"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "so weird. And we were like dancing and"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "singing in the sky and these snakes were"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "like going around us and all through the"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "sky. I was there the entire night. I was"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "just there and it was like is this me"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "like in another form in another"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "dimension just having a party in the"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "sky."}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:43", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": ">> And then it's just like my consciousness"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "came back and I was like that was the"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "most bizarre"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "experience because I was not Jason. I"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "was this amoeba thing with other amoeba"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "things in the sky."}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:57", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:00", "text": ">> And it wasn't Earth."}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:02", "text": ">> So crazy. And it wasn't Earth."}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:03", "text": ">> That sky. I've never seen a sky like"}, {"start": "00:30:02", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:06", "text": ">> Whoa. Yeah. I wonder if there is a part"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "of that where we're just like tapping"}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "into like other beings existence and"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "kind of like changing the channels on a"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "TV, you know, testing different. Do you"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "think that like cuz there are people who"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "teach this stuff and you talk about this"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "stuff who often say that we journey out"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "of the body every single night whether"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "we know it or not. Is that something you"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "believe in?"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:34", "text": ">> I think so too. But I I would say that"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "the astral body itself is unconscious."}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "I think it's like it remains in this"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "unconscious state until you awaken it."}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "And then once you awaken it, it's almost"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "like this body double that um will come"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "when it's needed. So you know you asked"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "me before, you know, how many times have"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:57", "text": "I left my body? Like now I don't never"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "even try. I don't sit and meditate to"}, {"start": "00:30:57", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "like leave my body. I don't go to sleep"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "at night and say I want to leave. Um I"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "leave naturally"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "when it's needed. So I don't have to do"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "anything. It's just like so maybe a"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "couple months will go by and then"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "suddenly at night it'll just happen"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "because maybe something walked into the"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "bedroom that's not supposed to be there"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "and it's almost like a immune response."}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "Hm."}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:25", "text": "Whoa."}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "That's an interesting way of looking at"}, {"start": "00:31:25", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "So, let's talk about that. Let's talk"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "about the the things walking in. Um,"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "you've met many sort of entities on"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "these journeys."}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:39", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:42", "text": ">> What is what would you say? Okay. We're"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "gonna we're gonna dissect all of this"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "because this is this is really"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:51", "text": ">> where it intersects with the UFO world"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "and with perhaps ghost stories, I mean"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:57", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "What percentage of what you encountered"}, {"start": "00:31:57", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "do you feel is at best"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "at sort of benevolent or neutral? like"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "what percentage is that versus"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "something perhaps maybe a little more"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "menacing?"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:21", "text": ">> I I would say from my experience um in"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "the beginning it was more menacing."}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:26", "text": ">> It was more menacing."}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:28", "text": ">> Yeah. So, um at first I think it was all"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "menacing."}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "It was it was kind of like beings or"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "shadows that um it felt like they were"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "trying to pull me out of my body or push"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "themselves into my body or like you said"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "um like the old hag thing where you wake"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "up and there's like this being on top of"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "you or this heavy shadow. Um it gets"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "very scary especially when you don't"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "know. And I think this is why a lot of"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "people when they first start to go out"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "they they turn to religion very quickly."}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "call on God very quickly because when"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "you first enter, you know, a lot of"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "people call it the the lower astral is"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "that suddenly there are things there"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "that are not friendly"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "and you have to learn how to deal with"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "them. So for me, it was just kind of"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "like uh fight like hell. So it was like"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "if this thing is on me, I'm trying to"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "fight it off. If this thing is trying to"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "pull me, I'm trying to fight it off. If"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "it's trying to get in me, I'm trying to"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "fight it off. That was like the first"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "couple of years because I didn't have"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "any teachers. So I I didn't know what to"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "do."}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:33", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:36", "text": ">> And um so it starts like that and then"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "after a while it's it it again just like"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "with the sleep paralysis it becomes an"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "annoyance and you have this this anger"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "towards you."}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": ">> So it's like this something will come"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "into the room and you'll get awoken and"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "you're not getting awoken in the"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "physical state. you're in this altered"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "state where you kind of sit yourself up"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "in bed or you don't even have to sit up."}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "You just kind of like turn your astral"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "head and you can like kind of see out"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "into the room and you're like, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "what's here?\" And then there's this"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "thing. Let's say it's a shadow for"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "example."}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "And you know, it gets to a point where"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "you just lose the fear and you're just"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "like, \"Okay, if you want to go, let's"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "go. Let's do this.\" M"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:23", "text": ">> and then after a while um you gain more"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "control over it and then"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "there are beings that were very that I I"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "can't I can't tell you if it was"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:33", "text": "positive or negative like for example in"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "the first couple years of these"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "experiences I would experience manted"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "beings which a ton of people experience"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "and for me they were like"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "they are kind of sh I I would say that"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:52", "text": "from my perception it was like they were"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "shocked that I can see them."}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:53", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:54", "text": ">> You know, and"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:55", "text": ">> how tall were they?"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:58", "text": ">> They were very tall. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:34:59", "text": ">> It's like um if they were standing by"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "the door it's like they'd have to like"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "tuck"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:02", "text": ">> tuck their head in to come into the"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "room."}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:08", "text": ">> Were they Were they dressed?"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:10", "text": ">> No. No. The head is like this big."}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:12", "text": ">> Like cuz I know cuz it would come very"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "close like this close to you and that's"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "not a fun way to wake up. It's like you"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "know something's in the room and you pop"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "out and you just kind of look and"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "there's a thing like this in front of"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "your face. It looks exactly like a"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "praying mantis just very big and"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "sometimes there was one, sometimes there"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "was two in the room and it's like I"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "could hear them speaking to each other"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "and it's it's like it's almost like bird"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "sounds are like clicking"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "and and then I'm like I'll never forget"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "this because I'm like I'm sorry. This is"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "what I said to them. I wake up, they're"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "in the room. I'm like, I could hear them"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "talking to each other. And I'm like, I'm"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "sorry, I can't understand you. Can you"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "please speak English so I could"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "understand what you're saying? And they"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "were looking at each other and they just"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "went like this and they looked at me"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "like, is this did can he see me? And"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "it's just like then I got knocked back"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "out. I don't know what these things are."}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:08", "text": ">> Well, you think it was them that knocked"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "you back out?"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:15", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:15", "text": ">> That's a terrifying thought. So,"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:21", "text": ">> but like I said, I don't know. I didn't"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "feel any uh bad intentions or I didn't"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "It's almost like catching something that"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "you're not supposed to see."}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:28", "text": ">> And something scary doesn't necessarily"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "mean it's bad,"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:31", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:33", "text": ">> I mean, we're afraid of spiders and"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "spiders are really good. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "Objectively good."}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:37", "text": ">> That's great."}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:40", "text": ">> You know, they they help us. Bees, same"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "thing. you know, um they just have a bad"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "rap because of their physical appearance"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "and our, you know, history and"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "understanding of what monsters should"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "look like. Uh but so, okay, so you met"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "the mantis. Uh have you ever interacted"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "with them?"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:55", "text": ">> Just like that."}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:56", "text": ">> That's it."}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:59", "text": ">> Just like that."}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:01", "text": ">> Just those small transient moments where"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "they're surprised that you're observing"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "them"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:03", "text": ">> and then they kind of knock you back"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:07", "text": ">> Yeah. It It's just like they're"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "surprised. It's like I keep waking up"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "and they're there and it's kind of like"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "they I've had one just do like a weird"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "like head pull back like it's like I"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "felt like I caught them."}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:20", "text": ">> Yeah. That's all I could say. There was"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "no communication whatsoever."}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:22", "text": ">> No, they didn't speak English at any"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "point. Nothing like that."}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:25", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:26", "text": ">> they weren't wearing robes or anything."}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "A lot of them"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:28", "text": ">> we hear about. Um"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:31", "text": ">> No, I didn't see any robes."}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": ">> What What do you make of the Mantis"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:36", "text": "archetype?"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "I I don't I I have no clue uh what's"}, {"start": "00:37:36", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "going on"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:40", "text": ">> because like what do you think if you"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "were to take like a Yian sort of"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "approach to this? How would you"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "rationalize"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "the mantis as an archetype in terms of"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "like the psyche? What would you what"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "would you say that that represents? Um,"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "I would go back to"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "maybe a time"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "on Earth when there was intelligent. I"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "know insects are intelligent, but there"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "were bigger insects back then with the"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "oxygen level. Um, so maybe um, some of"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "these insects were bigger. Maybe, you"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "know, they're still here wrapped in"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:22", "text": "whatever this consciousness is outside"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "the physical. Um, and maybe that's where"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "they inhabit now. You know there's this"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "concept in shamanism and it's called the"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "spirits of nature or in Japanese or in"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "Shinto it's called the kami and it's"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:38", "text": "basically like a collective spirit like"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "everything has a spirit. So for example"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:44", "text": "like u an insect for example on the"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "other side there will be a spirit that"}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "represents the collective of that being"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "or of that life"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:55", "text": ">> like an avatar or something"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:56", "text": ">> kind of like that and you know"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "I've heard a lot of stories especially"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "living in Canada where it's like you"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "have the the spirit of nature I love"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "this concept by the way because it helps"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "me kind of put together Bigfoot which is"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "like um they're like people are like"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "it's multi-dimensional or it could tap"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "in and out of you know this world. But"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "think about the spirit of nature concept"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "where let's say that all the trees and"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "plants are sentient beings like they're"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "a life form. They have an energy. They"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "have an awareness to whatever that that"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "awareness is. But they they can't like"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:36", "text": "move. They can't pick things up. They"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "can't do anything. But maybe their"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "consciousness, the spirit of nature"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "could manifest some type of form in the"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "physical for a limited amount of time to"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "do a certain tasks for them."}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:49", "text": ">> That is a funny concept."}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "You know, like an aggregor."}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:52", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:53", "text": ">> but created by plants"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:54", "text": ">> but created by nature"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:57", "text": ">> and other animals. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:59", "text": ">> It's funny. The uh the Canadian Space"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "Agency, did you see their patch?"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:04", "text": ">> Oh, the parking lot."}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:05", "text": ">> Um what what parking lot? the Canadian"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "Space Agency."}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:08", "text": ">> Oh, the parking lot. Yeah, the giant"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:10", "text": "platform. That's Yeah. No, that's Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "that's where they're going to test, you"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:15", "text": "know, whatever. I don't even know. But,"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "um, they have a patch uh that they put"}, {"start": "00:40:15", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "on um Jeremy, I forget his last name,"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "but he was uh, you know, the the pilot"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "and astronaut that went on Artemis 2 for"}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "the moon thing. And the Canadian patch"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "features a Bigfoot on it."}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:35", "text": ">> It was really quite uh nice. And they"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "explained the and it was not unlike"}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "what you're saying, but they had like"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "all these different animals because it"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "was taken from First Nations and sort"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "of, you know, the orca and this and then"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "that represents different things. on"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "there was like the, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "walking Sasquatch and um I forget what"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "the significance of it was, but I think"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "it was something or other uh about um"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "sort of the mystery of I don't [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "know like the the Canadian wilderness."}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "Um I could be mistaken. I I really want"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "to look it up, but"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": ">> you know, you you hear these stories all"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "the time and um for example, like"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "someone's in the woods and they're"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "looking at this tree or this bush and"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:21", "text": "suddenly this Bigfoot just materializes"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "out of it and just scares them, runs"}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "away. There's a story I heard up in"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "Manitulan Island area, which is in"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "Ontario,"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "where, you know, someone was um on an"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "ATV"}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "in the woods. It flipped over. They went"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "to go search for them. They couldn't"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "find them for a week or two. Finally,"}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "the guy comes out of the cave. He comes"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "out of a cave in the forest and he's got"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "like broken leg and all these things."}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "He's found. They said, \"You know what"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "happened to He said, \"Well, I woke up"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:55", "text": "and something took me into the cave and"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "these little people, these little"}, {"start": "00:41:55", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "things, they fed me. They healed my leg."}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "Like, they fixed it up for me and they"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "got me better to to leave the forest.\""}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "You know, it's like you hear stories in"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:11", "text": "Canada like this all the time"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:14", "text": ">> and you can go search for them. You'll"}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "never find them. What again this whole"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "concept of the spirit of nature that"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:21", "text": "maybe there's this intelligence that can"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "manifest and literally"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "uh manifest and walk into our world to"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "do a task and then go back into the"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "ethers."}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:32", "text": ">> Yeah. like like uh not unlike Jacqu"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "Valet sort of control system idea where"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "we're dealing with some intelligent"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "omnipresent force that can for whatever"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "reason it deems necessary interfere"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "um at certain key moments in time and"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "sometimes to just even you know I know"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "Grant um"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "uh what's his name?"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:57", "text": ">> Cameron."}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:59", "text": ">> Yeah, Grant Cameron. Grant Cameron has,"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "you know, the theory of wow and and sort"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "of uh that it manifests in order to"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "inspire us or in order to Yeah. sort of"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "create that wonder uh instill wonder in"}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "us. Um"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:18", "text": ">> I I think it's the same thing for having"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "these outof body experiences."}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:20", "text": ">> And you know, when you were telling me"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "your story,"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:25", "text": ">> but like the backwards version."}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:27", "text": ">> Yeah. It it's almost like cuz remember I"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "never asked for this. I wasn't looking"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "for it and it happened and when the"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "phenomenon happens to a person that um"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "wasn't expecting it."}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:43", "text": ">> It's it's like you have just shattered"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "their reality. You shattered their life."}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "Like my old life ended that day because"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "it was like I I saw something grander I"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "that I couldn't explain. And because of"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "that event, that one event in my life,"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "it now put me on this completely"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "different path, you know, meeting new"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "people, researching new things, going"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "and exploring these worlds. That would"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "never have happened if something didn't"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "put me into sleep paralysis. So, you"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "know, when you were saying at first I"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "thought that shadow was a very negative"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "thing because it was putting me in sleep"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "paralysis. I was fearful. I felt terror."}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "What if that was just all coming from"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "me? And that whatever that thing was, I"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "call it now I call it the initiator"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:35", "text": ">> because it's like whatever that thing"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "was, it put me on a new path. It's like"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "once I left my body, it was like its"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "task was done and then I didn't see it"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "again like that."}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:43", "text": ">> Oh, interesting. Or like a gatekeeper."}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:49", "text": ">> Perhaps just someone guarding the body."}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "The shadow people do come up quite"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "frequently as well. Have you ever ran"}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "into them since then?"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:58", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I I see them quite"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "often, but again, I don't know exactly"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "what they are. And I think that they're"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "actually living people. A lot of them,"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:06", "text": ">> not dead people. Living people."}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:07", "text": ">> Oh, other people exploring."}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:08", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:10", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:12", "text": ">> I think that there's other I think it's"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "part of us. And I think it's also uh"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "wounded parts of us because I've had"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "experiences again. And I'll go back to"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "like this kind of shamanic philosophy"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "where it's like let's say you go through"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "a trauma. They say that the soul itself"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "um is shattered when you go through"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "certain traumas and that hurt piece of"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "you it now creates its own aggregor"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "basically. So that that energy of yours"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "is now separated from you and it starts"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "to grow. So it grows from let's say"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "emotions or thought forms or reliving"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "those memories of that hurt and that"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "pain but it lives outside of you but"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "it's connected to you. So you might be"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "attacked by these shadows and you're"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "pushing them away and pushing them away"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:03", "text": "and it might actually be a broken part"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:06", "text": "of yourself that used to be you and it"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "wants reintegration. It wants healing"}, {"start": "00:46:06", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "but you're scared. you have no idea what"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "this is and you're trying to fight this"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "thing off of you, you know,"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:17", "text": ">> would that make would that make the"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "phenomenon then uh to a certain extent"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "psychological"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:24", "text": ">> deeply psych"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:27", "text": ">> like what we're dealing with is perhaps"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "just a projection of our own psychology"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:30", "text": ">> or others?"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:32", "text": ">> Do you think there's an objective"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "reality there?"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:37", "text": ">> I I really do think there is. What what"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "makes you believe that?"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:41", "text": ">> Just um from learning about uh different"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "native shamanic cultures and even going"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "back to ancient paganism as well. Uh"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "these are very old belief systems and it"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "it included this kind of spiritual"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "understanding of nature and spiritual"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "understanding of ourselves and knowing"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "that we are more than the physical body."}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "And you know this is where ritual magic"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "came from was understanding energy,"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "understanding the self, understanding"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "how to build that energy. Like you were"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "talking about um the aggregor for"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "example, you know, a bunch of people"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "putting their energies towards it,"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "giving offerings of energy to keep"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "feeding this thing to grow it and then"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "giving it tasks. You know, this is old"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "old stuff."}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh but then we kind of get into"}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "the place of the last couple thousand"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:31", "text": "years where it's like it's demonized"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "and for good reason for a lot of it. Um"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "but it's also kind of been erased from"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:36", "text": "us."}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:38", "text": ">> Why do you think why do you why do you"}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "say it's a there's a good reason for it"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "to be demonized?"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "Well, I can say that um"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "a person that knows these things, knows"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "how to use these things"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:53", "text": ">> has an advantage over people that don't"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "know these things."}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:58", "text": ">> I see. Okay. I see what you're saying."}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:59", "text": "So, like the manipulation of reality."}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay. And that's that's demonized."}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:06", "text": ">> well, we're not we're not supposed to"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "know about certain things. And if we"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "don't understand it, how can we protect"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "ourselves against it? How do we build"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "our own energies to understand the"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "difference between something, you know,"}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "that's attacking us? Um, you know, a lot"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "of people go through things and, you"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "know, this is not medical advice, but,"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "you know, there's some people that,"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "let's say, they have a certain thoughts"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "that come into their mind or certain"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "triggers that keep getting pushed. And"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "you know what? If this was like a"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "spiritual kind of parasite"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:44", "text": ">> that um continues to um push these"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "buttons on you to extract energy,"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:49", "text": ">> you know, so this is their goal. So they"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "want to Yeah. It's almost like trying to"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "keep the human in a perpetual state."}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "Whatever that state is, obsession,"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "addiction, sickness, keep them in a"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "perpetual state so that they have access"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "to you and your energy."}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:10", "text": ">> And if we think that this is invisible"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "and it doesn't exist,"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "then we have nothing to fight against"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "it, you You know, and it just it's just"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "knowledge that will separate someone"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "that knows how to deal with this and"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "someone that doesn't."}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:25", "text": ">> Interesting. Do you think that the"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "ritual matters?"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "Like when it when it comes to these"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "things, we're speaking about magic with"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "a K here. Do you think that the"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "individual sequences or steps to"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:40", "text": "to be able to do some of these things?"}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "Do you think that they actually matter"}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "or is it the energy behind them that"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "matters more? The ritual is extremely"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "important to start."}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "Okay. You have to you have to build the"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "structure of intention. All right. And"}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "the ritual is the continuation. It's"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:57", "text": "almost like the muscle memory of the"}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "building of the action."}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:00", "text": ">> I see."}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:04", "text": ">> And then after all that, you you need"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "the form. You need steps one through 10"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "to do it so many times that you now you"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "become formless."}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:09", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:11", "text": ">> Now you don't even need to do the"}, {"start": "00:50:09", "end": "00:50:15", "text": "ritual. It's almost like ingrained as"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "like a spiritual muscle."}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:17", "text": ">> Interesting. Because I I I've given a"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "lot of thought to that as well as"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "someone who, you know, for 20 years"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:25", "text": "being a professional magician,"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "very skeptical about these things and"}, {"start": "00:50:25", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "yet completely intertwined with them at"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "the same time. like"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:36", "text": "everything from a magician's branding,"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "you know, if you're a magician out there"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "and you got a business card, it's like"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "you got the name, you know, oh,"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "deception artist or like it's it's it's"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "ingrained in there and then there's like"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "pentagrams. There's all these like, you"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:55", "text": "know, sigils and and and sort of signets"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:59", "text": "and and whatever that have these ties to"}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "Magic with a K. Like I mean the initial"}, {"start": "00:50:59", "end": "00:51:03", "text": "um the initial books on magic were"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "written you know they're 600 years old"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "and they were about ritualistic magic"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "but how to"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "sort of invoke these things through"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "trickery"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:19", "text": ">> and that's where eventually parlor magic"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:21", "text": "came from was using the techniques that"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "were used to fool people into believing"}, {"start": "00:51:21", "end": "00:51:25", "text": "the ritualistic stuff and using it for"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "entertainment purposes and sort of"}, {"start": "00:51:25", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "creating that dichotomy. I mean that"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "separation between the two where now the"}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "most ironically the most disillusioned"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "people are magicians like they they"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "completely don't believe in any of that"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "stuff. They're incredibly skeptical"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "about all the magic with a K stuff and"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "they've completely separated the ritual"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:47", "text": "for entertainment only."}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "Where is now I'm starting to believe or"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "at least I'm starting to uh I don't know"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "my conviction levels is a little higher"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "than it was before on the idea that"}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "if you can trick the mind into believing"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "something's real that that is a key"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "ingredient into these rituals and that's"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "a key ingredient into creating these"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "aggregor creating these um"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "manifestations or aortations or whatever"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "it is um like that's the ingredient for"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "me. Would you would you agree with that"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "or would you"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:18", "text": ">> I I would say that suggestion is very"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "powerful."}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:23", "text": ">> Because you're getting the person then"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "to go along with your energy. So they've"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "now given you access to their energy."}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "Okay. To their life force where then"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "they can now build this reality with you"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "because they've already submitted to"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "that suggestion."}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "and again this is I don't know much"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "about like um the type of magic that"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "you're talking about but I do know that"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "it's like we have"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "if you go back to the Egyptian system we"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "have something called ka which is like"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "the energy body and"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "that ka is something that you take from"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "life. So you could take it from uh food,"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "you could take it from the air, you"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "could take it from the sun. You know,"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:12", "text": "every time um you're consuming"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "something, you're taking that energy and"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "you're you're satisfying the ka within"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "you. You're building this energy light"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "body."}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:21", "text": ">> And it's almost like so there's it's"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "kind of like the matrix where it's like"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "you're the battery and you can build. So"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "how strong is your battery? And the"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "stronger your battery is,"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "you could push and pull energy better."}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "And this is also a concept in Chiangk,"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:36", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:38", "text": ">> You know, so you have to build your"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "energy body up. You have to strengthen"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "your electromagnetic fields. You got to"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:44", "text": "get the flow going. Your connection to"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "the earth in the sky. And then once you"}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "have this kind of energy, your"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "suggestion level and what you can do"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "with that energy is greater and greater"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "and greater. What's something that you"}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "would deem as an objective"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "um example that sort of proves any of"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "this? And I mean proof in a loose term,"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "but like what would you point to? Uh"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "would you point to a specific practice"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "that brings you something? Would you"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "point to something you've personally"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "manifested in your life? or how would"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "you to someone who's dubious about these"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "things say no here's an example of of"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "this working?"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:27", "text": ">> Um I would say the my favorite would be"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "instant healing. M"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:33", "text": ">> so like kind of like a miraculous thing"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "happens to you and um this has happened"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "to me on a number of occasions and I'll"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "tell you like just a very simple story"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "um you because there was a time where I"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "was doing personal sessions with people"}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "like doing like energy work in Chiang"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "and I was helping this man out to his"}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:54", "text": "car um this is an older man in a"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "wheelchair so I'm putting him in his car"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "and I slam the door on my middle finger."}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "And you know, you know those times where"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "it's like you slam in the door and you"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "pull your finger out and my nail was"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "already black. Like it was that instant"}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:09", "text": "and it was just throbbing with pain. And"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "I'm like, okay, I know I'm going to lose"}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:15", "text": "this nail, right? So I'm like something"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "clicks. It's like, okay, I need to like"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "use my energy. I need, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "taught all these things. I need to like"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:21", "text": "do it."}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:24", "text": ">> And you're teaching them,"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:26", "text": ">> right? So, I go in I go into my room and"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "um I have all these different essential"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "oils and I have all these different"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "crystals and I'm like, \"Okay.\" And just"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "I knew I had to pick up this crystal and"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "I took I just I knew I had to take that"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "oil and I put it on my finger and I put"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "it on the crystal and I'm just breathing"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "and and one of my teachers used to teach"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "me and I don't recommend this for"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:48", "text": "everybody. I'll just tell you what they"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "taught me is that um the pain is the"}, {"start": "00:55:48", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "healing. Okay, that was that was the key"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "in this teaching. They were saying the"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "pain is the healing and never go away"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:01", "text": "from the pain. Go into the pain. Try to"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:03", "text": "experience the pain as much as you can."}, {"start": "00:56:01", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "All right, so that was one of the"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "teachings that was given to me and I'm"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:09", "text": "like, okay, I'm going to do it now cuz"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "my finger is just throbbing in pain and"}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "I'm just breathing, doing the Chiang"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "breath. I'm focusing on the pain in my"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "finger throbbing and it it's almost like"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "it felt like a hose open. It's just like"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "this energy opened in my finger and it"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "felt like um hot air, like extremely hot"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "air was like blowing out of my finger."}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "Like that's exactly what it felt like"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "just like a valve."}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:34", "text": ">> Just a valve opening up and like hot air"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "just shooting out of my finger"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:36", "text": ">> and I was like,"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:38", "text": ">> did you feel the pressure subside?"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:40", "text": ">> Yeah. And I never felt this before. This"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "was like an energetic thing. I've never"}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "felt this experience before in my life."}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "And I just like, okay, this is new. I'm"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:49", "text": "like I'm doing something."}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:51", "text": ">> Yeah. And so then I go to sleep in the"}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "morning. I wake up and I look at my"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "finger and it was it had no sign of"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "anything. Like it was black when I"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "started. In the morning it was"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "completely fine and there was no pain."}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "And for me that was like I just"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "witnessed a miracle."}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:06", "text": ">> Wa. It was still black though."}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:06", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:07", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:08", "text": ">> No. Completely gone."}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:10", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:10", "text": ">> Like overnight."}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:13", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:15", "text": ">> Overnight. Now, here's the here's the"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "stupid thing, and this is stupid just"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "because it's me, is that I should never"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:20", "text": "play football, right?"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:57:20", "end": "00:57:24", "text": ">> Literally a week after this incident"}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:25", "text": "instance, my friend says, \"Let's throw"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:27", "text": "the football around.\" So, we're in the"}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "backyard throwing the football around"}, {"start": "00:57:27", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "and, you know, it's a real football. And"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "it, you know, spiraled and again, it hit"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "the same freaking finger on the tip."}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "right on the tip like and um I think I I"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "I don't know if I didn't get it checked."}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "I don't know if it was broken or not."}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "All I know is the finger blew up to"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "about three fingers."}, {"start": "00:57:47", "end": "00:57:50", "text": ">> Like it was that bad and that swollen"}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "and I couldn't move it."}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:54", "text": ">> And so I did it again."}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:55", "text": ">> Grab that crystal, grab that oil. I'm"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "like, it worked last week."}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:59", "text": ">> I did it again and the exact same thing"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:01", "text": "happened. This thing opened up. The"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "pressure released."}, {"start": "00:58:01", "end": "00:58:05", "text": ">> But the next day it was still there. It"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "was much better. But it took like three"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:07", "text": "days."}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:58:07", "end": "00:58:09", "text": ">> Instead of overnight."}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:12", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:14", "text": ">> And then I'm like, okay, who who's ever"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "like guiding me or teaching me, I've"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "learned my lesson. I don't need to be"}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "hurt anymore."}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:21", "text": ">> So, what did you feel when you were like"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:23", "text": "going towards the crystal and the oil?"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:25", "text": "Like, did you just unconsciously this"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "one and this one? Or was there like a"}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "pull? Did you feel something?"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:29", "text": ">> It Well, it's like an unconscious pull."}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:31", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:33", "text": ">> It's like um I don't know why I chose"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "those crystals. And"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:36", "text": ">> um I just knew that that was the one."}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:40", "text": ">> Huh."}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:43", "text": ">> And if you knew me back then where I"}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "lived, my room had I think a crystal on"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "every shelf. So there was probably"}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "hundreds of crystals to choose from. But"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "I went right in on one of them and I had"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "a Sorry about that. And I had a display"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "of about 50 different essential oils and"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "I just was like, I need this one."}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:03", "text": ">> H. So yeah, I I don't know why I picked"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "those two, but for me it just made"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "sense."}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:06", "text": ">> And you think that mattered versus the"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "other ones? You think that was the"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "specific ingredient, or was it again"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:12", "text": "more the intention?"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:13", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:15", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:17", "text": ">> I don't know. It could have been both."}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:17", "text": "Could have been suggestive. I don't I"}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "don't know."}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:20", "text": ">> But remember, I'm in a I'm in panic"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "mode."}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:22", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:24", "text": ">> I'm just like running right like I"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "didn't I kept a straight face to the guy"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "who drove me away. I just like, \"All"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "right, goodbye.\" and I ran in and just"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "did what I had to do"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:35", "text": ">> because I think that, you know, we often"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "talk about this term scientifically as"}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "like a placebo effect and then explain"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:43", "text": "it away with that like that's some sort"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "of satisfactory answer to the problem."}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "Placebo is magic like that it doesn't"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "make sense. It shouldn't work."}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:54", "text": ">> Right? Like we agree when you, you know,"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "have clinical trials and people have are"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:59", "text": "given a placebo and all of a sudden are"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:02", "text": "feeling or actually doing physically"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:04", "text": "better, which you know, I think there's"}, {"start": "01:00:02", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "proof of this."}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:09", "text": "I mean, to just chalk it up to, oh,"}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "that's just placebo. That's how the mind"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "works. Like, for me, that isn't"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "satisfactory. Like, there is something"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "happening where suggestion is powerful,"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:20", "text": "like extremely powerful. And so this is"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "why I would ask the question, does the"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "ritual matter? Does the specific"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:28", "text": "ingredient matter? Does that crystal"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "matter? And I think it matters if you"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "believe it matters. If that makes sense."}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:35", "text": "Like if you"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:39", "text": "have a strong enough"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "um belief or even faith or knowing"}, {"start": "01:00:39", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "without knowing that this will work,"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "then that's the ingredient that you"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "need. Um,"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "do you know do you kind of understand"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "what I'm saying?"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:53", "text": ">> I would say that the mind is the most"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "important ingredient."}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:57", "text": ">> It's like you have to focus your mind on"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "the outcome and the goal. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:02", "text": ">> And I think this is part of the magic as"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "well. Um, so you know just a simple"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "thing like when I was uh in the hospital"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "I actually broke my back."}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:09", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:10", "text": ">> before so 2017 I broke my back and so"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "I'm in the hospital."}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:12", "text": ">> That's not too long ago."}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:12", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:15", "text": ">> Wa. What happened?"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:15", "text": ">> Um fell down some stairs. Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": ">> But not this way. I fell sideways"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "stairs."}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:23", "text": ">> Yeah. It was dark and"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:24", "text": ">> that's not how you go downstairs."}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:26", "text": ">> I would not recommend it."}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:28", "text": ">> And it's funny because like I've hurt"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "myself in the past a lot. And when I was"}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "at the bottom of the stairs, I just"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "thought I was winded. I was like, \"It's"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "okay. I just need to get my breath back"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "and I'll get back up.\" And you know, my"}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "wife is like, \"Don't move.\" And we're"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:42", "text": "calling the ambulance and all this."}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:44", "text": "Thank god she did because me, I would"}, {"start": "01:01:42", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "have just tried to get up. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:51", "text": ">> Um, but in the hospital room, I didn't"}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "ask her to do this. Um, but my wife, you"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:55", "text": "know, she there was this uh whiteboard"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "that you can write on and she wrote, \"I"}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "get stronger every day.\""}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:02", "text": ">> Just simple like a simple message. And a"}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "lot of people, you know, when they go"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:09", "text": "through like a traumatic um thing in"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "their life, a life-changing thing, it's"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:13", "text": "very easy for the mind to go dark. It's"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "very easy to say like I'm going to give"}, {"start": "01:02:13", "end": "01:02:18", "text": "up. I'm never going to do this again."}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "This is my life is going to change."}, {"start": "01:02:18", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "You you can't have your mind go there."}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "You have to like set your mind into"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:28", "text": "goals. Like and I I know it's hard to"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "say maybe there's people watching"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:32", "text": "they'll say, \"Well, in my situation,"}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "it's very hard to think that way because"}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "of these things that I carry.\" But even"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "if you carry some really bad things or"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "you've been dealt a really bad hand, you"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:45", "text": "still need to keep that mindset going."}, {"start": "01:02:43", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "Like I I was telling you earlier, I I go"}, {"start": "01:02:45", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "to Japan quite frequently and it was"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:52", "text": "like a week before I was going to go to"}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "Japan. So I had to cancel my trip. And"}, {"start": "01:02:52", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "um you know, I was speaking to my"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "friends in Japan. I said, \"Listen, the"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:03:01", "text": "doctor said that you know 3 months I'll"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "start feeling a little better you know"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:06", "text": "after the surgery. I have two rods and"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "10 screws in my back. And so I said to"}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "my friends, like this was like right"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:11", "text": "after the accident. I said to my"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "friends, \"Don't worry, just set the"}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "date. I'll be in Japan in 3 months, you"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "know.\" So I was already in my mind"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:19", "text": ">> convinced"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:22", "text": ">> convincing myself that I'm going to be"}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "in Japan in 3 months,"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:25", "text": ">> you know, and I was"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:25", "text": ">> and that's what helped. That made the"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:26", "text": "difference."}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:30", "text": ">> Yeah. That makes sense to me that that"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:32", "text": "type of strong conviction about things."}, {"start": "01:03:30", "end": "01:03:34", "text": "U you know, you don't have to look"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "further than someone saying, \"I'm going"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "to fail this test. I'm going to fail"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:37", "text": "this test. I'm going to fail this test.\""}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:40", "text": "And the other person being like, \"I'm"}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "going to pass this test.\" And watch"}, {"start": "01:03:40", "end": "01:03:42", "text": "watch them both fulfill their own"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "prophecies. They're they are"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:47", "text": "self-fulfilling prophecies. And we do"}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "that regularly every day. Everyone"}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:51", "text": "listening now can point to someone in"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "their life who has one of those two"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:55", "text": "things. Either this person who's like,"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "\"I'm just unlucky.\" or this other person"}, {"start": "01:03:55", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "who goes through life feeling like"}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:04:01", "text": "they're the luckiest person alive and"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:04", "text": "and both of their lives sort of"}, {"start": "01:04:01", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "unfolding accordingly. And so yeah, it"}, {"start": "01:04:04", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "is a and that's really nice of your wife"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "to put that up in writing because I"}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:10", "text": "think that's probably something that you"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:10", "text": "needed to read."}, {"start": "01:04:10", "end": "01:04:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:04:10", "end": "01:04:15", "text": ">> At that moment."}, {"start": "01:04:12", "end": "01:04:17", "text": ">> Um very cool. I want to go back to some"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "of the beings that you encountered. We"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "we veered a little u into into the the"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:23", "text": "dark arts of magic here, but um I do"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:24", "text": "want to talk about them a little bit"}, {"start": "01:04:23", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "more because I think there's an"}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "interesting intersection between"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "euphology and the study of consciousness"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "in regards to out of body and astral"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "states. Uh the entities are often"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:41", "text": "uh mirrored. They're often talked about"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:43", "text": "in both cases. But one thing also is"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "with abductions"}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "um many many many many of the abductions"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:50", "text": "I would say possibly a vast majority I I"}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "don't know the exact number but it feels"}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "like a majority of the uh abductions of"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:59", "text": "the the takings are happening in the"}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "non-physical"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:04", "text": "uh where the soul body is sort of pulled"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "out of the body and through the wall"}, {"start": "01:05:04", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "that these beings themselves run through"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "the walls and they are also non-physical"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "Um, what's your take on that?"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:15", "text": ">> I feel like I'm talking to myself now."}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "01:05:15", "end": "01:05:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:20", "text": ">> Because this is what I've been saying"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:24", "text": "forever. Um, ever since I learned about"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:27", "text": "this um, and there was this uh, writer,"}, {"start": "01:05:24", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "his name was Bob Mitchell."}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:31", "text": "And this is the conversations that me"}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:33", "text": "and Bob would have because, you know, he"}, {"start": "01:05:31", "end": "01:05:35", "text": "was documenting experiences of"}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "abduction. That was his thing. He really"}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "liked taking down. He was a journalist."}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "So he took down everybody's story that"}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:43", "text": "had abductions."}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "And when he heard my story and I was"}, {"start": "01:05:43", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "saying, \"Okay, this is like your"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:51", "text": "consciousness is being taken out of your"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "body.\" And because you've never had this"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:56", "text": "experience before, it's so real that of"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "course you think you're taken"}, {"start": "01:05:56", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "physically. 100% you're taken physically"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "cuz you don't know the difference if"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:07", "text": "you've never done this before."}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "And I said, \"Okay, Bob, listen."}, {"start": "01:06:07", "end": "01:06:12", "text": "Tell me in the in all your cases in"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "journalism of all these cases, let's do"}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:20", "text": "like a a one to 10, what happens in"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "their experiencing of abduction? And"}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:23", "text": "they go, you know, well, at first they"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "get woken up, let's say in the middle of"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "the night. They feel like their body is"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "frozen. They can't move in their bed."}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:32", "text": "I'm like, okay,"}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "let's keep going. They may start to uh"}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "feel like a buzzing or a warm sensation."}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "and they may hear like metallic sounds"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:41", "text": "and then there's like a separation. It's"}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:43", "text": "like that now they're floating above"}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "their bed. I'm like, \"Okay.\" And now"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "they go either like a white light comes"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:48", "text": "in or they get taken through the windows"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "or the walls and now they find"}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "themselves in a ship and there's beings."}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:55", "text": "I'm like, \"Okay, now let me write down"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:57", "text": "exactly my out of body experience.\""}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:07:00", "text": ">> Yes, I see where this is going. you"}, {"start": "01:06:57", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "know, and it's like exactly from 1 to 10"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "almost exactly the same as someone"}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:10", "text": "that's um documenting their own"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "abduction scenario. And so for me, I"}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "came into this from the shamanic"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "background, the spiritual background. So"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:20", "text": "when I was having these experiences of"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "altered states, I knew they were altered"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "states. I knew what I was entering into."}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "I knew that my body is sleeping in bed."}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "my consciousness is separated and now"}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "I'm having these experiences."}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "Whereas someone that is having these"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:37", "text": "experiences where they're not aware,"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:41", "text": "it's very terrifying. It's very real."}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "What I found incredible is that in my"}, {"start": "01:07:41", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "own personal out-of- body states is that"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "I've come in contact with again beings"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "that are described in abduction"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "scenarios. So I'd come across those"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "mantids, I'd come across those grays,"}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "I'd come across those reptilians, I'd"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "come across them. And in my journeys,"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "I'm like, \"Wow, this is an outofbody"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "experience."}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:08", "text": "So it it was like a mystery being solved"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "for me.\" And and I'm not discounting any"}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "physical things whatsoever. I I'm not"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:13", "text": "discounting anybody else's physical"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:15", "text": "experiences."}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:18", "text": ">> No, of course. But I'm saying from my"}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:19", "text": "perspective, I came from it from the"}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "altered perception."}, {"start": "01:08:19", "end": "01:08:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:24", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "funny enough, people that go on shamanic"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:32", "text": "journeys that do plant medicines like"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "iawasa or uh peyote or mushroom"}, {"start": "01:08:32", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "ceremonies or, you know,"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "they know what they're doing. They're"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "going on a journey. They're taking these"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "plant medicines and they find themselves"}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "where being taken to to UFOs."}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:50", "text": ">> You know, the shaman, their friends will"}, {"start": "01:08:47", "end": "01:08:52", "text": "be right with them on the ground,"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:53", "text": ">> you know, singing their songs or putting"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "sage around them and saying, \"You're"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "doing great and here's a bucket to throw"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "up in.\" But in their experience, they're"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:04", "text": "not there. They're on a ship. Sometimes"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:08", "text": "they're being operated on. They're being"}, {"start": "01:09:04", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "healed. So we have to kind of we can't"}, {"start": "01:09:08", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "ignore that."}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:14", "text": ">> No, there's a correlation to be made. I"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "I definitely think and I and that's one"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "of the reasons I want to bring it up"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "because I think that like there is so"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "much crossover now like you said that"}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:24", "text": "doesn't discount"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:27", "text": "the physical stuff. Um, more"}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:30", "text": "importantly, I think"}, {"start": "01:09:27", "end": "01:09:33", "text": "once people, especially people who are a"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "little more, let's say, materialist or,"}, {"start": "01:09:33", "end": "01:09:38", "text": "you know, less inclined to look into the"}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "esoteric stuff, they would be quick to"}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "say, \"Oh, sleep paralysis. Got it. Done."}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "We're out of here. We we solved it. It's"}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:46", "text": "sleep paralysis. That's what you did."}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "Oh, you saw alien sleep paralysis.\" And"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:52", "text": "they just brush it the entire thing off."}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:55", "text": "And that's what I'm always trying to"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "like explain to people who might be a"}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "little more skeptical is that well"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "perhaps there's more to that sleep"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "paralysis stuff than you might think."}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:07", "text": "You know, brushing off something as"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:10", "text": "sleep paralysis is easy, especially if"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "you haven't had it. Uh, just like one of"}, {"start": "01:10:10", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "these encounters, uh, or an out-of body"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "experience or even some type of"}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "condundalini experience or, uh, breaking"}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:24", "text": "through on DMT. Like, all of these"}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "things are easy to brush off"}, {"start": "01:10:24", "end": "01:10:28", "text": ">> if you haven't had a firsthand"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:31", "text": "experience with them. And so explaining"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "that to someone who hasn't had it is uh"}, {"start": "01:10:31", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "as I looked at the time by the way it"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:37", "text": "was 11111"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "very uh very fitting. I this is like the"}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "first time I looked at it too. Um, yeah,"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:43", "text": "I I think there is definitely a"}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:45", "text": "correlation, but that shouldn't stop us"}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "from studying,"}, {"start": "01:10:45", "end": "01:10:48", "text": "you know, what is going on? Like, why"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "are we seeing the same beings?"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:51", "text": ">> You know, some people will say, \"It's"}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "all in your mind."}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:56", "text": ">> It's it's a hallucination.\" And I go to"}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:57", "text": "them, I know it is [laughter] all in my"}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "mind. It's all in your mind, too."}, {"start": "01:10:57", "end": "01:11:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Everything's all in the mind."}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:04", "text": ">> We're all taking it and putting it"}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:07", "text": "together through our own filters. him"}, {"start": "01:11:04", "end": "01:11:12", "text": ">> and we're trying to make sense of our"}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "reality and our reality is a trip."}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:18", "text": ">> Just just when you actually look at who"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:20", "text": "we are as a species,"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "where we are on Earth, where we are in"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:25", "text": "space, if we keep going and going and"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:28", "text": "going, you realize like this is nuts."}, {"start": "01:11:25", "end": "01:11:30", "text": "Like how do we even exist? This is magic"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:34", "text": "that we're sitting here and talking."}, {"start": "01:11:30", "end": "01:11:36", "text": ">> Yeah, it is. And it it is magic. But at"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:38", "text": "the same time, there's a part of me that"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "feels like this is incredibly primitive."}, {"start": "01:11:38", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "Do you know what I mean? Like there is"}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:43", "text": "something miraculous that we're sitting"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "here making vibrations with vocal cords"}, {"start": "01:11:43", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "and that you're picking up what I'm"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:51", "text": "saying and instantly translating it in"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:54", "text": "your mind and it makes sense to you, but"}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:57", "text": "it's so slow. It's it's not the it's not"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "the I don't know. When you have these"}, {"start": "01:11:57", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "dreams or when you have these"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:05", "text": "experiences, there is a knowing that"}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:08", "text": "happens. noises or like there is an"}, {"start": "01:12:05", "end": "01:12:10", "text": "understanding that careful if you do"}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "this this will happen and it's instant."}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "You don't have to put words to it. You"}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:16", "text": "don't have to be told anything. It's"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:19", "text": "just a knowing and"}, {"start": "01:12:16", "end": "01:12:22", "text": "it's just uh this this almost seems to"}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:24", "text": "be like the slower modality in terms of"}, {"start": "01:12:22", "end": "01:12:27", "text": "communication that we found."}, {"start": "01:12:24", "end": "01:12:29", "text": ">> Well, you know, they keep saying we're"}, {"start": "01:12:27", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "um spiritual beings living in a physical"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:33", "text": "body,"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:36", "text": ">> right? And if that's the case, then we"}, {"start": "01:12:33", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "are already telepathic. We're already we"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "already know the future. This has"}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:42", "text": "already happened. We've lived thousands"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:45", "text": "or infinite lives. We've been through"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:48", "text": "time and space. So maybe this is just"}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "like uh what we're experiencing now is"}, {"start": "01:12:48", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "just like the tiniest little seed of"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:55", "text": "that spiritual consciousness is being"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "placed in this body to have this"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:12:59", "text": "experience. and being here for this"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:01", "text": "amount of time, you grow that kind of"}, {"start": "01:12:59", "end": "01:13:03", "text": "spiritual being from this little drop in"}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:05", "text": "the sea to maybe like a glass of water"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:05", "text": "and then it gets poured back into the"}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "ocean,"}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:09", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:12", "text": ">> You know, it's just"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:14", "text": "we just are experiencing this right now."}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:16", "text": "And this is another thing you learn in"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:19", "text": "the out of body experiences. It's also"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "what you learn on all these other plant"}, {"start": "01:13:19", "end": "01:13:25", "text": "medicines and it's the uh dissolving of"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:27", "text": "boundaries. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:30", "text": "All right. And uh the best way that I"}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:31", "text": "could explain"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:33", "text": "dissolving a boundary is what is a"}, {"start": "01:13:31", "end": "01:13:35", "text": "boundary? You could say our body is a"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "boundary. So we exist within our body."}, {"start": "01:13:35", "end": "01:13:41", "text": "We exist within our mind, right? So we"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:43", "text": "identify as this thing here. I'm Jason."}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:44", "text": "You're Chris. Like we identify as these"}, {"start": "01:13:43", "end": "01:13:47", "text": "two individuals and we're having this"}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:49", "text": "life. Now what if we dissolve that"}, {"start": "01:13:47", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "boundary? Who are you? You know, so now"}, {"start": "01:13:49", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "you've lost your body. Now you've lost"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:56", "text": "your mind. Where does that consciousness"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:59", "text": "kind of escape to? What's that next"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:14:01", "text": "boundary? What is catching you next? And"}, {"start": "01:13:59", "end": "01:14:03", "text": "in these experiences,"}, {"start": "01:14:01", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "if you do want to go deeper and deeper"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:06", "text": "and deeper, it's almost like you kind of"}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:09", "text": "dissolve the boundary. Dissolve the"}, {"start": "01:14:06", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "boundary until it's like, oh my god,"}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:14", "text": "it's like oneness."}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:17", "text": ">> It's it's just this consciousness. It's"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:19", "text": "just this field. And you know, as we're"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "coming down, it's like coming down"}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:23", "text": "through the dimensions is a good way of"}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:24", "text": "describing it. It's almost like it's"}, {"start": "01:14:23", "end": "01:14:26", "text": "just like a doorway. You come through a"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "density as a doorway. You get this"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:29", "text": "understanding or knowledge or body and"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:32", "text": "then you come down through this and you"}, {"start": "01:14:29", "end": "01:14:34", "text": "get this understanding it. And when you"}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:36", "text": "when you pass or when you're going into"}, {"start": "01:14:34", "end": "01:14:38", "text": "these very deep states, it's almost like"}, {"start": "01:14:36", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "you're going the opposite direction."}, {"start": "01:14:38", "end": "01:14:41", "text": "You're saying, \"Okay, I'm going to leave"}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "this dimension. I'm going to leave this"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "body and now I'm over here.\" Well, you"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "know, I'm bored here now. I'm going to"}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:50", "text": "leave this and go out here until And"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:50", "text": "then how do you explain that to"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:51", "text": "somebody?"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:51", "end": "01:14:54", "text": ">> You know, you come back and you're like,"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:55", "text": "man, I was everything. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:54", "end": "01:14:58", "text": ">> Good job. Anyways, [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:14:55", "end": "01:15:00", "text": ">> you wouldn't believe what I saw. No,"}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "absolutely. Have you ever Have you heard"}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:04", "text": "of the um the Flatlands Bob analogy?"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:07", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:15:04", "end": "01:15:09", "text": ">> Yeah. So, that kind of idea there where"}, {"start": "01:15:07", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "you take a you know, if you appeared in"}, {"start": "01:15:09", "end": "01:15:13", "text": "the two dimension, like if I stuck my"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "finger in a two dimension, they would"}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "just perhaps see a line appear or"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "something and not the entire hand,"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "right? Yeah."}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:22", "text": ">> Um and then if I picked them up and"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "said, \"Hey, this is up. explain to your"}, {"start": "01:15:22", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "friends what up is. And this"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "two-dimensional figure would be like"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "it's kind of like forward and backwards"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:32", "text": "except it's up and down. I don't know. I"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:34", "text": "don't know how else to explain it. You"}, {"start": "01:15:32", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "know, there's there's no words that can"}, {"start": "01:15:34", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "describe that."}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:38", "text": ">> It's like your experience when you said"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:39", "text": "you tried to open your eyes and you saw"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "the cube."}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:43", "text": ">> The energies going around it. It's like,"}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:45", "text": "okay."}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Some tesaract, some"}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:49", "text": "fourthdimensional object is all I can"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "sort of say. It is interesting when you"}, {"start": "01:15:49", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "think about those dimensions though"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "because like I can I can draw"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "a"}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "a representation of a three-dimensional"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "object in two dimensions"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:07", "text": "just like we can create a representation"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:10", "text": "of a fourthdimensional object in the"}, {"start": "01:16:07", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "third dimension which is like a tessact."}, {"start": "01:16:10", "end": "01:16:15", "text": "I and it's just hard for me to"}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "comprehend that I'll never be able to"}, {"start": "01:16:15", "end": "01:16:19", "text": "see a fourthdimensional object or sorry"}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "to perceive a fourthdimensional object"}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "in the fourth dimension. I can only ever"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:26", "text": "stare at it just like this little"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "two-dimensional cube and just have an"}, {"start": "01:16:26", "end": "01:16:29", "text": "idea of what a fourth dimension could be"}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "like. But I could never but I can reach"}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "into lower dimensions in my existence"}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:37", "text": "and understand what the third, the"}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:39", "text": "second, and the first dimension are. I"}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:41", "text": "have a very faint grasp on what the"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "fourth dimension could be. Uh but you"}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:45", "text": "know above that you have no access"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:48", "text": ">> right and I think that's also when we"}, {"start": "01:16:45", "end": "01:16:50", "text": "leave and and do these experiences the"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:52", "text": "brain has to process that information."}, {"start": "01:16:50", "end": "01:16:54", "text": "So it needs to kind of create those"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:57", "text": "archetypes, create those scenes or those"}, {"start": "01:16:54", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "beings for you to integrate whatever you"}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:02", "text": "just went through which could be very uh"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "traumatizing or very hard for a lot of"}, {"start": "01:17:02", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "people like especially uh in the"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:09", "text": "shamanic journeying. You know a lot of"}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:11", "text": "these journeys is like animals will come"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:13", "text": "and rip you to pieces and eat you and"}, {"start": "01:17:11", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "then you get reassembled and you wake up"}, {"start": "01:17:13", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "like a new person."}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:19", "text": ">> Well is that actually happening to you?"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "I don't think so."}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:22", "text": "But that's the way that it's"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:25", "text": "interpretive. It's like a shamanic"}, {"start": "01:17:22", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "language of of of uh dissolution and"}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "then coming back together."}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:28", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:32", "text": ">> yeah, ego death or whatever."}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:35", "text": ">> Yeah. Like so we can't understand it."}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "But again I think be if like again with"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:41", "text": "the whole concept of uh boundaries of"}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "dissolving boundaries"}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "it's like every time you hit the next"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "one think of it as a container or your"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "next body or or next thing and it's only"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:53", "text": "in that body that then you can"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:55", "text": "experience that fourth dimension"}, {"start": "01:17:53", "end": "01:17:57", "text": "experience because I know like with"}, {"start": "01:17:55", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "astral travel"}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:00", "text": ">> you know people will explain astral"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:02", "text": "travel as there's no space or there's no"}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:04", "text": "time so there's different laws of"}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:06", "text": "physics. There's something different"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "about that space that allows you to,"}, {"start": "01:18:06", "end": "01:18:12", "text": "let's say, jump to other timelines or"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:14", "text": "alternative timelines or jump from one"}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:17", "text": "location to the next either through a"}, {"start": "01:18:14", "end": "01:18:19", "text": "portal like you've experienced"}, {"start": "01:18:17", "end": "01:18:22", "text": ">> um in virtually no time. You could have"}, {"start": "01:18:19", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "crossed time space dimensions instantly,"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:27", "text": ">> you know. So, the laws change, the rules"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:31", "text": "change as you enter into these different"}, {"start": "01:18:27", "end": "01:18:32", "text": "states. Do you think there is um a"}, {"start": "01:18:31", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "substrate"}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "in this reality that is fundamental"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "across all dimensions?"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:43", "text": ">> Can you explain that a little more? So"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "like we might consider it like zero"}, {"start": "01:18:43", "end": "01:18:52", "text": "point field or the quantum field or the"}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:53", "text": "vacuum um as this sort of omnipresent"}, {"start": "01:18:52", "end": "01:18:56", "text": "fundamental"}, {"start": "01:18:53", "end": "01:18:59", "text": "thing that exists across all dimensions"}, {"start": "01:18:56", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "like like this might be the primary"}, {"start": "01:18:59", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "fundamental"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:07", "text": "thing dimension if if you will and then"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:09", "text": "like built upon that is like this this"}, {"start": "01:19:07", "end": "01:19:10", "text": "secondary reality which is like our"}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "physical reality. Right."}, {"start": "01:19:10", "end": "01:19:16", "text": ">> Right. But we have to use this to build"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:18", "text": "this. Um do you think across all"}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:19", "text": "dimensions there is a fundamental"}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:22", "text": "substrate?"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:27", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. And um"}, {"start": "01:19:22", "end": "01:19:32", "text": "the only word I can call it is the void."}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:34", "text": ">> From my understanding of it, it's like"}, {"start": "01:19:32", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "the only way I could describe it is kind"}, {"start": "01:19:34", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "of like a old Egyptian creation myth,"}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:41", "text": "you know, where the void is kind of like"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:44", "text": "the dark cosmic waters. So the god none"}, {"start": "01:19:41", "end": "01:19:46", "text": "and it's just darkness chaos there's"}, {"start": "01:19:44", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "there's nothing to it but this is like"}, {"start": "01:19:46", "end": "01:19:52", "text": "the turning of creation and then once"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "that spiritual form has awareness it"}, {"start": "01:19:52", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "separates from it and it becomes the"}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:20:01", "text": "light and because of that light now"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:03", "text": "exists it shines and this mound of earth"}, {"start": "01:20:01", "end": "01:20:06", "text": "comes up so it's building this creation"}, {"start": "01:20:03", "end": "01:20:09", "text": "this reality and from those two aspects"}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "rising out of this darkness suddenly"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "Now, creation could be born and"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:15", "text": "materialized in different ways."}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:16", "text": ">> So, it's almost like like you're"}, {"start": "01:20:15", "end": "01:20:20", "text": "drawing, it's just kind of like this"}, {"start": "01:20:16", "end": "01:20:23", "text": "stepping stone of from um this"}, {"start": "01:20:20", "end": "01:20:25", "text": "underlying"}, {"start": "01:20:23", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "something. And it's funny because when I"}, {"start": "01:20:25", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "say this underlying something, that's"}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "who me and you are."}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:32", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:34", "text": ">> We come from that. We return to that. We"}, {"start": "01:20:32", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "never We're in it right now."}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:37", "text": ">> Yeah. It is everything."}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:40", "text": ">> It is everything. But it's it's how do"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "we experience it? Like I know I'm, you"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:44", "text": "know, I I'm not delusional. I know I"}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "can't stick my hand through this table"}, {"start": "01:20:44", "end": "01:20:51", "text": "right now. You know, there are laws that"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:54", "text": "govern this world. Um,"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:56", "text": "but then again, it's like"}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "the laws that govern this also govern"}, {"start": "01:20:56", "end": "01:21:00", "text": "other things. And that's why I said that"}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "I think that as we transfer through"}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:04", "text": "different dimensions or different"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:06", "text": "altered states, these laws do get"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "changed. And that's why in the out of"}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:10", "text": "body experience, you know, you could"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "pass through the walls no problem"}, {"start": "01:21:10", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "because maybe you and it are just a"}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "projection."}, {"start": "01:21:14", "end": "01:21:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:20", "text": "Yeah. It's it's a it's a mind-boggling"}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:22", "text": "thing to think about and I often think"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "about it in the face of sort of trying"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:27", "text": "to explain away"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:29", "text": "you know our reality and what it is."}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "Like if you look at if you take the"}, {"start": "01:21:29", "end": "01:21:34", "text": "material the materialist take of it"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "would be you know the brain exists and"}, {"start": "01:21:34", "end": "01:21:37", "text": "the brain makes consciousness and the"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "brain projects things and that's you're"}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "perceiving things because of the brain"}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:45", "text": "and where you know I where I think that"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:50", "text": "is just completely false is that we seem"}, {"start": "01:21:45", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "to agree that like there is a quantum"}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:55", "text": "vacuum the void or whatever it is even"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "science agrees that there is something"}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "right that everything is made of that"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:03", "text": "everything is attached to some web some"}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:07", "text": "cosmic web or whatever. Um but the thing"}, {"start": "01:22:03", "end": "01:22:10", "text": "is we're trying to"}, {"start": "01:22:07", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "take this secondary reality, this"}, {"start": "01:22:10", "end": "01:22:16", "text": "physical reality that we live in and"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:18", "text": "we're trying to box this so it fits"}, {"start": "01:22:16", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "here. We're you know what I mean? We're"}, {"start": "01:22:18", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "like making a physical box and being"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:26", "text": "like this is what everything's made of."}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:28", "text": "And then we're assuming things and based"}, {"start": "01:22:26", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "on those assumptions we make formulas"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:34", "text": "that that that turn out to be correct in"}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:36", "text": "our mathematics so that it proves you"}, {"start": "01:22:34", "end": "01:22:40", "text": "know quote unquote that that is what"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:42", "text": "reality is is that oh that's all it is."}, {"start": "01:22:40", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "It fits in this three dimension and now"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:45", "text": "we understand it. I feel like it's"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "impossible to do that. You can't take"}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:50", "text": "something that's fundamental, have the"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:51", "text": "offshoot of that fundamental thing that"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:54", "text": "the the whatever this offspring is here"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:57", "text": "that we live in and fit that into what"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "we call reality. There's no way."}, {"start": "01:22:57", "end": "01:23:01", "text": ">> How how can you blow out a candle"}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:01", "text": "through a mirror?"}, {"start": "01:23:01", "end": "01:23:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:23:01", "end": "01:23:06", "text": ">> You know, it's like"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "it's like we're the reflection of"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "something and we're trying to hold on to"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:14", "text": "the thing that's making the reflection,"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:17", "text": ">> right? but you can't because you're"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:19", "text": "behind this pane of glass, you know. So,"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "it it's very difficult to kind of wrap"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:23", "text": "your mind around [laughter] it."}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:26", "text": ">> Yeah. That's like somebody without ears"}, {"start": "01:23:23", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "uh telling me based on numbers what"}, {"start": "01:23:26", "end": "01:23:30", "text": "music is and it's like or you know what"}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:33", "text": "I mean? And you're like you can't fully"}, {"start": "01:23:30", "end": "01:23:34", "text": "appreciate music I think if you don't"}, {"start": "01:23:33", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "hear it. You sure you can have an"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:37", "text": "understanding of it and there is a math"}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "to it. Absolutely. So you can make your"}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:42", "text": "formulas and you can prove that you know"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:43", "text": "the octaves are there and like"}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:46", "text": "everything has to follow a certain"}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "rhythm and flow and yes but without"}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "hearing it how can you possibly"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:52", "text": "understand it and how can you fit it"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "into this box of mathematics. There is a"}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:57", "text": "whole other dimension to music that has"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "nothing to do with math and that is the"}, {"start": "01:23:57", "end": "01:23:59", "text": "interpretation of the sounds and how"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:02", "text": "they make you feel and everything else."}, {"start": "01:23:59", "end": "01:24:05", "text": "And I'm sure there's a math to that. But"}, {"start": "01:24:02", "end": "01:24:09", "text": "there is this dissonance between the two"}, {"start": "01:24:05", "end": "01:24:13", "text": "that we seem to ignore or you know just"}, {"start": "01:24:09", "end": "01:24:16", "text": "for the sake of our own sanity you know."}, {"start": "01:24:13", "end": "01:24:20", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. And you know, you're talking"}, {"start": "01:24:16", "end": "01:24:24", "text": "about music and I'm a music guy and the"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:26", "text": "secret to music is space"}, {"start": "01:24:24", "end": "01:24:30", "text": "as in you know"}, {"start": "01:24:26", "end": "01:24:32", "text": ">> the silence between the sounds you know"}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "you need both and I think this is what"}, {"start": "01:24:32", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "we're we're talking about. You have to"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:39", "text": "kind of experience both this in and out"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:43", "text": "type of breath to understand these"}, {"start": "01:24:39", "end": "01:24:44", "text": "things. So again, it's like"}, {"start": "01:24:43", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "it's the same thing as like philosophers"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "in ancient times. We're trying to"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "explain the inexplainable,"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:51", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:52", "text": ">> You know, and we can"}, {"start": "01:24:51", "end": "01:24:54", "text": ">> and package it"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:56", "text": ">> and package it and say, \"I figured it"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "out. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:24:56", "end": "01:24:59", "text": "Here it is. Here's the formula. Go to"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:02", "text": "sleep now."}, {"start": "01:24:59", "end": "01:25:03", "text": ">> Here's the Hig Bzon. It's done.\" Like,"}, {"start": "01:25:02", "end": "01:25:08", "text": "pop your champagne. We've we figured out"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:09", "text": "reality. No, it's like it's almost like"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:11", "text": "when you look out into space for"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:13", "text": "example,"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:16", "text": "um now with the telescopes that we have,"}, {"start": "01:25:13", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "we know that it's like I would say it's"}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:21", "text": "like we infinite like our mind can't"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "even accept"}, {"start": "01:25:21", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "the scale of what the universe is and is"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:28", "text": "this the only universe"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:32", "text": ">> and then you have dimensions within the"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:36", "text": "universal structure. So it there's such"}, {"start": "01:25:32", "end": "01:25:39", "text": "a grandness in scale"}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "and the thing is when we turn it around"}, {"start": "01:25:39", "end": "01:25:44", "text": "and go to a microscopic level and you"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:46", "text": "keep going and going and going you're"}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:48", "text": "like wow this is like never ending as"}, {"start": "01:25:46", "end": "01:25:52", "text": "well. So we're like kind of like in this"}, {"start": "01:25:48", "end": "01:25:56", "text": "middle place between scales just like"}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:25:58", "text": "the music scales and we're we're just"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:26:01", "text": "experiencing this tiny little vibration"}, {"start": "01:25:58", "end": "01:26:03", "text": "of creation and as we go this way or"}, {"start": "01:26:01", "end": "01:26:06", "text": "this way it doesn't matter. It's it's"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:10", "text": "infinite type of experience."}, {"start": "01:26:06", "end": "01:26:13", "text": ">> Yeah, beautifully said. Yeah, there is a"}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:15", "text": "as above so below. it is uh infinite in"}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "both ways and if you zoom in or zoom out"}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "far enough it starts to look awfully you"}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "know similar"}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:22", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:26", "text": ">> and that's why I've thrown the towel"}, {"start": "01:26:22", "end": "01:26:30", "text": ">> yeah just it's like you know how much"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:33", "text": "more can you try to figure out um I'll"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "just tell this this one thing is that"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:38", "text": ">> because I spent years and years of like"}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:42", "text": "meditating try to find these or"}, {"start": "01:26:38", "end": "01:26:44", "text": "fine-tune these uh ideas"}, {"start": "01:26:42", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "um I got this this message and it was"}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:52", "text": "you need you can't live your life"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:54", "text": "between four walls."}, {"start": "01:26:52", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "It's like because that's what I was"}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:26:58", "text": "doing. I was sitting in my room and"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:00", "text": "meditating between four walls and I'm"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:03", "text": "thinking I'm going to figure out life."}, {"start": "01:27:00", "end": "01:27:05", "text": ">> No, you need to get out. You need to"}, {"start": "01:27:03", "end": "01:27:08", "text": "talk to people. You need to experience"}, {"start": "01:27:05", "end": "01:27:10", "text": "things. Get out. Stop what you're doing."}, {"start": "01:27:08", "end": "01:27:12", "text": "It was a It was a pretty strong message."}, {"start": "01:27:10", "end": "01:27:14", "text": "And I'm like, \"But I'm meditating. I'm"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "going to find the secrets of creation.\""}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:18", "text": "They're like, \"Not in your bedroom. Go"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:21", "text": "outside, get some fresh air.\""}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I that's I completely agree"}, {"start": "01:27:21", "end": "01:27:25", "text": "with it's it's it's an epiphany that I"}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "had myself after my last out-of- body"}, {"start": "01:27:25", "end": "01:27:31", "text": "experience was you know I'm on this"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:33", "text": "journey trying to use my body as a"}, {"start": "01:27:31", "end": "01:27:36", "text": "microscope you know to look inwards and"}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "to be like okay what can I discover"}, {"start": "01:27:36", "end": "01:27:39", "text": "about the universe and the answers and"}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:42", "text": "the answer to life the universe and"}, {"start": "01:27:39", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "everything so to speak and when I got"}, {"start": "01:27:42", "end": "01:27:49", "text": "this sort of semi confirmation while I"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:51", "text": "was meditating in broad daylight light"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "and seemingly left my body or felt that"}, {"start": "01:27:51", "end": "01:27:58", "text": "way without falling asleep completely"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "lucid walking around my room. Um you"}, {"start": "01:27:58", "end": "01:28:04", "text": "know afterwards I was very excited about"}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "that and the thought popped into my head"}, {"start": "01:28:04", "end": "01:28:08", "text": "of"}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:11", "text": "okay"}, {"start": "01:28:08", "end": "01:28:15", "text": "there is more than my physical body."}, {"start": "01:28:11", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "There is more to life, to reality, to"}, {"start": "01:28:15", "end": "01:28:20", "text": "this existence"}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:24", "text": "than my physicalness."}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:27", "text": "And that was that was a sort of proof."}, {"start": "01:28:24", "end": "01:28:30", "text": "And and that might not be death. That"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:32", "text": "might not be what comes after. It might"}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:36", "text": "be an extension of this. I don't know."}, {"start": "01:28:32", "end": "01:28:38", "text": "But it was more than my physical"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "reality. Whatever that is. It was"}, {"start": "01:28:38", "end": "01:28:44", "text": "non-physical and it wasn't this. And I"}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:48", "text": "thought, you know,"}, {"start": "01:28:44", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "so many people when they go when they go"}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:53", "text": "out of body, a lot of them it happens"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "during like a near-death experience and"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:59", "text": "they're floating, they see themselves,"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:29:01", "text": "same symptoms. And so I said, okay,"}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "there's a correlation between these two."}, {"start": "01:29:01", "end": "01:29:07", "text": "Like there is something here between the"}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:08", "text": "astral and out of body states and near"}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:11", "text": "death and dying. Like there is a"}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:14", "text": "correlation here."}, {"start": "01:29:11", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "So, I just asked myself like, well,"}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "what's the hurry then? What am I so in"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "in a rush to die for? Why do I want to"}, {"start": "01:29:21", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "know what death is like? I'm going to"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:29", "text": "get there. I promise you [laughter] I"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:30", "text": "will get there. That is, you know, the"}, {"start": "01:29:29", "end": "01:29:32", "text": "only certainty in this physical"}, {"start": "01:29:30", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "existence that I can that I can promise"}, {"start": "01:29:32", "end": "01:29:37", "text": "myself is that I'll get there."}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:38", "text": ">> Um, but now I got to ask myself like,"}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:42", "text": "why am I trying to get there all the"}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:46", "text": "time? Like you know if this body is some"}, {"start": "01:29:42", "end": "01:29:51", "text": "type of container vessel meat suit for"}, {"start": "01:29:46", "end": "01:29:53", "text": "the soul that we incarnate into. If that"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:56", "text": "is the case"}, {"start": "01:29:53", "end": "01:29:59", "text": "then giving up instant manifestation"}, {"start": "01:29:56", "end": "01:30:01", "text": "eternal reality"}, {"start": "01:29:59", "end": "01:30:03", "text": "the most beautiful existence of all"}, {"start": "01:30:01", "end": "01:30:05", "text": "knowing and you can travel anywhere and"}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:08", "text": "have everything. giving all that up to"}, {"start": "01:30:05", "end": "01:30:09", "text": "be here in this transient little, you"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "know, moment. That has to mean"}, {"start": "01:30:09", "end": "01:30:14", "text": "something, right?"}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:17", "text": "That's the message I I got is, you know,"}, {"start": "01:30:14", "end": "01:30:20", "text": "everybody from my perspective, it was"}, {"start": "01:30:17", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "like, you know, the whole point is this"}, {"start": "01:30:20", "end": "01:30:25", "text": "kind of ascension idea where it's like"}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:27", "text": "I'm going to expand. I'm going to get"}, {"start": "01:30:25", "end": "01:30:31", "text": "into this oneness state. I'm going to be"}, {"start": "01:30:27", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "with God and everything. And the more I"}, {"start": "01:30:31", "end": "01:30:36", "text": "started to go down that road, the more"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:41", "text": "it was turned the other way. It was more"}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:43", "text": "like you're here. That's the point. It's"}, {"start": "01:30:41", "end": "01:30:44", "text": "like this is you normally."}, {"start": "01:30:43", "end": "01:30:47", "text": ">> Yeah. Right."}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:50", "text": ">> But now you're here and this you need to"}, {"start": "01:30:47", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "to to get healthy. You got to figure"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:53", "text": "stuff out. You got to change your tires."}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:56", "text": "You got to pay your taxes. You know, you"}, {"start": "01:30:53", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "got to have relationships. You got to"}, {"start": "01:30:56", "end": "01:30:58", "text": "talk to people."}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:30:58", "end": "01:31:02", "text": ">> Yeah. you have to do these things and"}, {"start": "01:31:00", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "this is where the the spiritual"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:07", "text": "fulfillment will that you're looking for"}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:10", "text": "will actually manifest and come from and"}, {"start": "01:31:07", "end": "01:31:12", "text": "so um it was it was an interesting"}, {"start": "01:31:10", "end": "01:31:14", "text": "turnaround"}, {"start": "01:31:12", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "but you know you go it's the same thing"}, {"start": "01:31:14", "end": "01:31:17", "text": "with life you go one direction you think"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:19", "text": "you're going to find something in this"}, {"start": "01:31:17", "end": "01:31:20", "text": "direction and you realize it was already"}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:20", "text": "over there."}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:23", "text": ">> You walked away from it."}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:24", "text": ">> Yeah. But you had to walk away to"}, {"start": "01:31:23", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "realize it."}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Well put. Okay. So, you've"}, {"start": "01:31:29", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "obviously had, you know, a ton of"}, {"start": "01:31:31", "end": "01:31:35", "text": "out-of- body experiences. Now, you've"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "met entities. You've interacted with"}, {"start": "01:31:35", "end": "01:31:38", "text": "them in different ways, interacted with"}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "different realities essentially in"}, {"start": "01:31:38", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "different ways. Um, have you ever come"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:47", "text": "across because there's a lot of out-of-"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:51", "text": "body experiencers that say that they had"}, {"start": "01:31:47", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "a job to do in the astral, which is like"}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "helping people move on. Um I had Preston"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:31:59", "text": "Dennit here who's you know saying yeah"}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:01", "text": "it's like you're just recruited once you"}, {"start": "01:31:59", "end": "01:32:03", "text": "go out of body and to have these jobs"}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "and to like help people. Has that ever"}, {"start": "01:32:03", "end": "01:32:04", "text": "happened to you?"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:05", "text": ">> At first"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:08", "text": ">> really"}, {"start": "01:32:05", "end": "01:32:09", "text": ">> at first I like this is stuff that"}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:13", "text": "happened like right near the beginning"}, {"start": "01:32:09", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "of things where it was like um you'd be"}, {"start": "01:32:13", "end": "01:32:16", "text": "taken out of body and you'd be with like"}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "a group of people and it's like you're"}, {"start": "01:32:16", "end": "01:32:19", "text": "going to witness somebody die."}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:21", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "01:32:19", "end": "01:32:26", "text": ">> Yeah. And it's like I don't know this"}, {"start": "01:32:21", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "person, but maybe they know me. Like I I"}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:30", "text": "don't understand it. Um but it's almost"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:32", "text": "like you get called to help through"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:35", "text": "transitions. I've been to some pretty"}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:37", "text": "weird ones. Like I I've been called by"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "aliens. I know it's a weird thing to"}, {"start": "01:32:37", "end": "01:32:40", "text": "say."}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:41", "text": ">> That's the title of the video now."}, {"start": "01:32:40", "end": "01:32:43", "text": "That's [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:44", "text": ">> it's a weird thing to say because"}, {"start": "01:32:43", "end": "01:32:46", "text": "because that's the only way I could"}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:48", "text": "describe it. It's like I had this one"}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:51", "text": "experience where I left my body and it"}, {"start": "01:32:48", "end": "01:32:53", "text": "was like this alien was like on the run."}, {"start": "01:32:51", "end": "01:32:55", "text": "That's all I could. It was like it was"}, {"start": "01:32:53", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "being hunted by something and it was"}, {"start": "01:32:55", "end": "01:32:59", "text": "like hiding in like a cave. It looked"}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:02", "text": "like a desert and it looked like a like"}, {"start": "01:32:59", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "a tall gray alien but it wasn't gray. It"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "was like salmon pink color. Like that's"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:09", "text": "what it looked like."}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:11", "text": ">> And it's like why am I being called"}, {"start": "01:33:09", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "here? is like this being whatever it"}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:15", "text": "was, it was like so scared like"}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:17", "text": "something was going to happen to it. It"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:20", "text": "was going to get caught by somebody and"}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:23", "text": "it's being hunted and it's like okay I'm"}, {"start": "01:33:20", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "here. I'm with you"}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:27", "text": "like explain these thing. I I don't"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:30", "text": "understand these things but this is what"}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:33", "text": "started to happen at these first like"}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "stages of of leaving the body."}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:35", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:37", "text": ">> It's like you don't ask for it. It's"}, {"start": "01:33:35", "end": "01:33:39", "text": "just like you you're just taken there."}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:41", "text": "It's it's like you don't say I'm going"}, {"start": "01:33:39", "end": "01:33:41", "text": "to go. Oh, it's like a job that you had"}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:42", "text": "to do."}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:42", "end": "01:33:48", "text": ">> It's so strange. I wonder what that"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "could be. Any ideas? Any hypothesis?"}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:56", "text": ">> I I think that um I think we play many"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:58", "text": "roles just like valet the phenomenon has"}, {"start": "01:33:56", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "many faces. I think that we play many"}, {"start": "01:33:58", "end": "01:34:04", "text": "roles as well at different levels of"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "understanding. So I don't understand it."}, {"start": "01:34:04", "end": "01:34:09", "text": "Like I I from my perspective as a human"}, {"start": "01:34:07", "end": "01:34:12", "text": "being, I don't understand it yet. Maybe"}, {"start": "01:34:09", "end": "01:34:15", "text": "I'll never understand it. But maybe it's"}, {"start": "01:34:12", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "like"}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:20", "text": "maybe when I came to for somebody's"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:23", "text": "transition, maybe they didn't see me as"}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:25", "text": "Jason. Maybe they saw me as an older"}, {"start": "01:34:23", "end": "01:34:27", "text": "relative of them from, let's say,"}, {"start": "01:34:25", "end": "01:34:30", "text": "another life or something."}, {"start": "01:34:27", "end": "01:34:32", "text": ">> And that's who they recognize to allow"}, {"start": "01:34:30", "end": "01:34:34", "text": "them to make that transition. And"}, {"start": "01:34:32", "end": "01:34:36", "text": "transition is a very important word"}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:38", "text": "because that's what I feel the astral"}, {"start": "01:34:36", "end": "01:34:41", "text": "state is. It's kind of like this"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:43", "text": "transitionary world between the"}, {"start": "01:34:41", "end": "01:34:47", "text": "spiritual and physical. It's like the"}, {"start": "01:34:43", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "waiting area, you know, and it's like"}, {"start": "01:34:47", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "beings from different places"}, {"start": "01:34:50", "end": "01:34:53", "text": "um to connect with you here in the"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:56", "text": "physical, you know, let's just"}, {"start": "01:34:53", "end": "01:34:58", "text": "hypothetically say that there's uh"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:00", "text": "someone you know on some planet in"}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:01", "text": "another universe. Well, how are they"}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "going to reach you? They're going to"}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "leave their body. They're going to go"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:07", "text": "into this astral form. And this is kind"}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:09", "text": "of like the transitionary meeting place"}, {"start": "01:35:07", "end": "01:35:11", "text": "between these worlds where there is no"}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:15", "text": "time and space. And you could have this"}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:17", "text": "interaction. And maybe when you do die,"}, {"start": "01:35:15", "end": "01:35:20", "text": "that's kind of the process. You go to"}, {"start": "01:35:17", "end": "01:35:22", "text": "this kind of transitionary place where"}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:25", "text": "you're met with beings that you're"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:27", "text": "familiar with and they kind of get you"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "familiar with this trans transition"}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:33", "text": "state. And then from that transition"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:35", "text": "state, you travel to other places."}, {"start": "01:35:33", "end": "01:35:38", "text": ">> That's an interesting way to put it as"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "well. I know that Robert Monroe had"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:42", "text": "something similar. Uh I think he called"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:44", "text": "it like the it was like the"}, {"start": "01:35:42", "end": "01:35:47", "text": "intergalactic cafe or something like"}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:49", "text": "that where he it was like focus 19 or"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:52", "text": "something and he would go to this place"}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:54", "text": "and he would meditate essentially sit"}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:57", "text": "down at this diner somewhere maybe not"}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:36:00", "text": "unlike the diner we got here um and wait"}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:02", "text": "for someone to come sit down in front of"}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "him and have a conversation. this this"}, {"start": "01:36:02", "end": "01:36:04", "text": "is another being from another dimension"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:07", "text": "or whatever but they were coming and"}, {"start": "01:36:04", "end": "01:36:09", "text": "going through these different tubes or"}, {"start": "01:36:07", "end": "01:36:13", "text": "whatever like some type of sci-fi you"}, {"start": "01:36:09", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "know Jetson's movie but um that is an"}, {"start": "01:36:13", "end": "01:36:17", "text": "interesting idea that this is just like"}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:17", "text": "a transitionary space that we can"}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:20", "text": "interact with"}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:22", "text": ">> or something that we can create because"}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:25", "text": ">> it's almost like a matrix or created"}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:27", "text": "reality that is like a dreamscape."}, {"start": "01:36:25", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "Uh so think of it like this way. Let's"}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:34", "text": "say that um there's a spiritual being or"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:36", "text": "just you know let's say an alien for"}, {"start": "01:36:34", "end": "01:36:38", "text": "simplicity terms on another planet and"}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:40", "text": "they want to have a meeting with you."}, {"start": "01:36:38", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "They want to talk to you but instead of"}, {"start": "01:36:40", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "just sending you telepathic messages or"}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:46", "text": "channeling through you, you're dreaming"}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:50", "text": "and you get pulled from your dream state"}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:51", "text": "into this kind of like you say like a a"}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:51", "text": "boardroom."}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:53", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:54", "text": ">> And you're sitting So you're sitting at"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:56", "text": "the table and across from you is this"}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:36:58", "text": "alien. It's like okay I'm in the matrix"}, {"start": "01:36:56", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "now. how you've created this matrix and"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:03", "text": "they say, \"Well, no, this is just the"}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "the room that we've created in this"}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "space so that we can communicate with"}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:08", "text": "you, right?"}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:08", "text": ">> And when we're done, this doesn't exist"}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "anymore.\""}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:11", "text": ">> Wild."}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:15", "text": ">> Um Okay."}, {"start": "01:37:13", "end": "01:37:16", "text": ">> And it's all in the mind."}, {"start": "01:37:15", "end": "01:37:17", "text": ">> It's all in the mind. Everything is"}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:18", "text": "mental."}, {"start": "01:37:17", "end": "01:37:20", "text": ">> It's all mental."}, {"start": "01:37:18", "end": "01:37:21", "text": ">> Yeah. As was it the first law of uh"}, {"start": "01:37:20", "end": "01:37:22", "text": "hermeticism,"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:24", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:37:22", "end": "01:37:26", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:27", "text": "okay. Let's transition."}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:30", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:37:27", "end": "01:37:32", "text": ">> A nice way to segue here into your"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:33", "text": "latest book. I do want to talk about"}, {"start": "01:37:32", "end": "01:37:36", "text": "this a little bit because I think that"}, {"start": "01:37:33", "end": "01:37:40", "text": "this is uh rather fascinating. We've all"}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:43", "text": "heard about Atlantis and, you know, its"}, {"start": "01:37:40", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "purported locations, whether that's the"}, {"start": "01:37:43", "end": "01:37:48", "text": "eye of the Sahara or whether that's, you"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:52", "text": "know, somewhere in the ocean or, you"}, {"start": "01:37:48", "end": "01:37:56", "text": "know, you name it. But you've had done"}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:37:59", "text": "some research and found that maybe maybe"}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:02", "text": "this isn't exactly what Plato was"}, {"start": "01:37:59", "end": "01:38:04", "text": "talking about and can you go into it?"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:06", "text": "I'm sure it's very complex, but if you"}, {"start": "01:38:04", "end": "01:38:08", "text": "could if you could at least topically"}, {"start": "01:38:06", "end": "01:38:10", "text": "sort of uh cover it."}, {"start": "01:38:08", "end": "01:38:13", "text": ">> Well, I'll make it very simply. Let's go"}, {"start": "01:38:10", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "to the source which is Plato. And Plato"}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "wrote two works. He was supposed to"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:21", "text": "write three. Uh one is called the Timus."}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "One is called Critius and Critius is"}, {"start": "01:38:21", "end": "01:38:26", "text": "halfway complete. So out of three books"}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:29", "text": "you have one and a half and you get the"}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "Atlantis story from the Taeus which is"}, {"start": "01:38:29", "end": "01:38:35", "text": "like introduced in the time and that's"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:36", "text": "the only full book that Plato wrote and"}, {"start": "01:38:35", "end": "01:38:40", "text": "then you have let's say like a half a"}, {"start": "01:38:36", "end": "01:38:44", "text": "book of the crit which details Atlantis."}, {"start": "01:38:40", "end": "01:38:48", "text": "Now, when you read the Atlantis story,"}, {"start": "01:38:44", "end": "01:38:50", "text": "um there's a lot of I would say hermetic"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:54", "text": "and ancient"}, {"start": "01:38:50", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "creation myth in there and unless you"}, {"start": "01:38:54", "end": "01:39:00", "text": "know those creation myths, you won't be"}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:39:04", "text": "able to see them. And the way that Plato"}, {"start": "01:39:00", "end": "01:39:07", "text": "writes the story from Critius or Solon"}, {"start": "01:39:04", "end": "01:39:09", "text": "is in a way a reflection of the"}, {"start": "01:39:07", "end": "01:39:10", "text": "universe. It's a reflection of the"}, {"start": "01:39:09", "end": "01:39:12", "text": "creation."}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:16", "text": "And when I say this, and I know it is"}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "kind of complicated, but if you go to"}, {"start": "01:39:16", "end": "01:39:21", "text": "the actual story of Atlantis, it starts"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:24", "text": "with Poseidon."}, {"start": "01:39:21", "end": "01:39:26", "text": "He's gifted an aotment"}, {"start": "01:39:24", "end": "01:39:30", "text": "um of land of earth. He's the god of the"}, {"start": "01:39:26", "end": "01:39:34", "text": "sea. On a central hill, there's an earth"}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:37", "text": "family, has a daughter. He falls in love"}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:42", "text": "with he falls in love with her. He comes"}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:45", "text": "down. He he um puts um land and water"}, {"start": "01:39:42", "end": "01:39:48", "text": "like a lathe, like circles of land and"}, {"start": "01:39:45", "end": "01:39:51", "text": "water around her to protect her. And he"}, {"start": "01:39:48", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "has children with her. So just starting"}, {"start": "01:39:51", "end": "01:39:55", "text": "from that standpoint, this is the"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:57", "text": "beginning of the Atlantis story. Where"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:40:00", "text": "have we heard this story before of the"}, {"start": "01:39:57", "end": "01:40:04", "text": "gods seeing the daughter of Ban falling"}, {"start": "01:40:00", "end": "01:40:07", "text": "in love with them having demigod kings?"}, {"start": "01:40:04", "end": "01:40:11", "text": "So then she has five twins, sets of"}, {"start": "01:40:07", "end": "01:40:12", "text": "twins and the the firstborn they named"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:16", "text": "Atlas."}, {"start": "01:40:12", "end": "01:40:19", "text": "Now who is Atlas? Why would Plato name"}, {"start": "01:40:16", "end": "01:40:21", "text": "this character Atlas? Well, in Greek"}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "mythology, Atlas is the Axis Monday. He"}, {"start": "01:40:21", "end": "01:40:28", "text": "is the um Titan who upholds the heaven."}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "And that's why you see the statues with"}, {"start": "01:40:28", "end": "01:40:32", "text": "them holding the world. and they place"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:35", "text": "the temple of Poseidon right at the"}, {"start": "01:40:32", "end": "01:40:39", "text": "center of the island. Um in the middle"}, {"start": "01:40:35", "end": "01:40:42", "text": "there is an um orical which is a sacred"}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:44", "text": "metal. It's a mythological metal which"}, {"start": "01:40:42", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "is kind of reddish gold. A pillar"}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:53", "text": "directly in the center of the island"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:57", "text": "and then Atlas rules. Now over time they"}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:41:01", "text": "live in harmony, perfection."}, {"start": "01:40:57", "end": "01:41:03", "text": "They're um they navigate their they're a"}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:05", "text": "naval power"}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:08", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:41:05", "end": "01:41:11", "text": "then they go to war. They get too much"}, {"start": "01:41:08", "end": "01:41:13", "text": "mixing with mortals. They they become"}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:15", "text": "warlike and then they're going to go"}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:17", "text": "outside their boundaries into the"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:21", "text": "Straits of Gibralar, which is the"}, {"start": "01:41:17", "end": "01:41:24", "text": "Pillars of Hercules. [snorts] Now,"}, {"start": "01:41:21", "end": "01:41:27", "text": "here's the thing. They give a date very"}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:31", "text": "specifically in um the Taeus and the"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:34", "text": "Critius about um [snorts] 9,000 years or"}, {"start": "01:41:31", "end": "01:41:38", "text": "it comes to 9,600 BC."}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:41", "text": "If if you look up in the sky at the"}, {"start": "01:41:38", "end": "01:41:43", "text": "northern sky at that time, the north"}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:48", "text": "pole is directly in between the legs of"}, {"start": "01:41:43", "end": "01:41:50", "text": "Hercules in the sky. So the myth or the"}, {"start": "01:41:48", "end": "01:41:53", "text": "story of Atlantis"}, {"start": "01:41:50", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "mirrors the actual date and timing of"}, {"start": "01:41:53", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "the stars in the heavens. So it's kind"}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:42:01", "text": "of this as above so below story. And if"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:03", "text": "you just turn back the clock slightly to"}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:07", "text": "when Atlantis would have been at its"}, {"start": "01:42:03", "end": "01:42:11", "text": "highest highest power,"}, {"start": "01:42:07", "end": "01:42:13", "text": "the pole star is Vega in the north sky."}, {"start": "01:42:11", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "And so Vega is the brightest star in the"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:20", "text": "north sky. If you go back 12,000 B.CE,"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:23", "text": "that star would have been so important"}, {"start": "01:42:20", "end": "01:42:25", "text": "for uh travelers because you need a"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:27", "text": "north star, a stable north star to"}, {"start": "01:42:25", "end": "01:42:31", "text": "travel the world. You could only be a"}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:33", "text": "naval power if you have this star and"}, {"start": "01:42:31", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "all the stars turn around it like as"}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:38", "text": "turned as a lathe. So it's kind of like"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:41", "text": "this as above so below allegory of the"}, {"start": "01:42:38", "end": "01:42:45", "text": "procession of"}, {"start": "01:42:41", "end": "01:42:48", "text": "of the north star over the 25,000"}, {"start": "01:42:45", "end": "01:42:51", "text": "26,000year cycle. So that when when"}, {"start": "01:42:48", "end": "01:42:54", "text": "Atlantis was the power power"}, {"start": "01:42:51", "end": "01:42:55", "text": "they had this star perfect reflection of"}, {"start": "01:42:54", "end": "01:42:58", "text": "Atlantis"}, {"start": "01:42:55", "end": "01:43:01", "text": ">> in the sky. As the time passed, they"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "moved outside their boundaries into the"}, {"start": "01:43:01", "end": "01:43:07", "text": "pillars, which esoterically means legs"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:09", "text": "of Hercules. So now the pole stars in"}, {"start": "01:43:07", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "between Hercules and you have this"}, {"start": "01:43:09", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "cataclysm because there is no north star"}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:15", "text": "anymore, right?"}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:17", "text": ">> You lose visibility and then you go"}, {"start": "01:43:15", "end": "01:43:20", "text": "about 6,000 years of darkness. There's"}, {"start": "01:43:17", "end": "01:43:23", "text": "no north star for about 6,000 years"}, {"start": "01:43:20", "end": "01:43:25", "text": "until you hit Thubin. So you have this"}, {"start": "01:43:23", "end": "01:43:28", "text": "loss of the world, loss of cosmic"}, {"start": "01:43:25", "end": "01:43:29", "text": "navigational understanding."}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:30", "text": ">> The great flood,"}, {"start": "01:43:29", "end": "01:43:32", "text": ">> the great flood, it's like the deluge"}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:34", "text": "because it's the dark waters of space."}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:36", "text": "It's it's all and yes, of course,"}, {"start": "01:43:34", "end": "01:43:39", "text": "there's a reflection between the younger"}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "drius and the the date. But there is"}, {"start": "01:43:39", "end": "01:43:44", "text": "this kind of cosmic story. And what"}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "makes this so intriguing is that if you"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:47", "text": "go to the Tameus, which is the actual"}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:50", "text": "work of Plato,"}, {"start": "01:43:47", "end": "01:43:54", "text": "you have the Atlantis story that pops in"}, {"start": "01:43:50", "end": "01:43:57", "text": "just before Tameus speaks because the"}, {"start": "01:43:54", "end": "01:43:59", "text": "Taeus is basically Tameus's time and he"}, {"start": "01:43:57", "end": "01:44:02", "text": "talks about u the creation of the world"}, {"start": "01:43:59", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "by the bevant demiurge. And so right"}, {"start": "01:44:02", "end": "01:44:08", "text": "after Atlantis, he starts describing uh"}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:11", "text": "the creation of the universe and he's"}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:12", "text": "saying, you know, he's talking about uh"}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:15", "text": "the circles of the same and the circles"}, {"start": "01:44:12", "end": "01:44:16", "text": "of the different, which is the um the"}, {"start": "01:44:15", "end": "01:44:21", "text": "fixed stars"}, {"start": "01:44:16", "end": "01:44:23", "text": ">> and the wandering stars and the seven u"}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:27", "text": "the six circles that are divided into"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:29", "text": "seven and then the eighth circle. And so"}, {"start": "01:44:27", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "he's talking about the creation of the"}, {"start": "01:44:29", "end": "01:44:34", "text": "universe describing it. And then Critius"}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:37", "text": "comes in and talks about the creation of"}, {"start": "01:44:34", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "Atlantis. And if you take the image of"}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:41", "text": "Taeus talking about the creation of the"}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:43", "text": "universe and you take the Atlantis story"}, {"start": "01:44:41", "end": "01:44:45", "text": "and you actually just merge them"}, {"start": "01:44:43", "end": "01:44:48", "text": "together, it's like they're describing"}, {"start": "01:44:45", "end": "01:44:52", "text": "that same circular pattern"}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:54", "text": ">> that Atlantis is shaped of. So I there's"}, {"start": "01:44:52", "end": "01:44:57", "text": "so much here and that's why I had to"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:45:00", "text": "write a book about it. But basically"}, {"start": "01:44:57", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "that these creation myths, the whole"}, {"start": "01:45:00", "end": "01:45:06", "text": "story of Atlantis"}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:08", "text": "can be found in other myths going back"}, {"start": "01:45:06", "end": "01:45:10", "text": "just by it's almost like Plato took"}, {"start": "01:45:08", "end": "01:45:13", "text": "ancient creation myths and then he"}, {"start": "01:45:10", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "wrapped it and gave it a new name,"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:18", "text": ">> you know. So when you actually read"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:20", "text": "those quotes"}, {"start": "01:45:18", "end": "01:45:23", "text": "um it's very interesting because you"}, {"start": "01:45:20", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "have to know about Egypt, you have to"}, {"start": "01:45:23", "end": "01:45:27", "text": "know about the Egyptian creation myths,"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:31", "text": "you have to know about um the Odyssey,"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:33", "text": "you have to know about um"}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "uh 12 labors of Hercules. You have to"}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:38", "text": "know about all these different myths to"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:40", "text": "understand the story of Atlantis because"}, {"start": "01:45:38", "end": "01:45:41", "text": "all of that existed at the time he wrote"}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:44", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "That is um so it's a lot for someone"}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "like me to fathom because you you think"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:51", "text": "to yourself like well why wouldn't you"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:56", "text": "just say so right why would you go"}, {"start": "01:45:51", "end": "01:46:00", "text": "through the trouble of concocting such a"}, {"start": "01:45:56", "end": "01:46:02", "text": "insane confabulated story you know to"}, {"start": "01:46:00", "end": "01:46:04", "text": "just explain the procession of the stars"}, {"start": "01:46:02", "end": "01:46:05", "text": "and I asked you this at contact and you"}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:08", "text": "had a really good answer for this"}, {"start": "01:46:05", "end": "01:46:10", "text": ">> um well the answer would say you have to"}, {"start": "01:46:08", "end": "01:46:12", "text": "look at Socrates which was Plato's"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:15", "text": "teacher and Socrates was basically"}, {"start": "01:46:12", "end": "01:46:18", "text": "murdered by the state for for basically"}, {"start": "01:46:15", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "infecting the youth with his ideas or"}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:23", "text": "teaching the wrong teaching about the"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:27", "text": "wrong gods. So you couldn't really"}, {"start": "01:46:23", "end": "01:46:29", "text": "discuss these things openly and Plato"}, {"start": "01:46:27", "end": "01:46:32", "text": "observed his own teacher being murdered"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:34", "text": "by hemlock and he knew that okay he's"}, {"start": "01:46:32", "end": "01:46:36", "text": "going to open the school he's going to"}, {"start": "01:46:34", "end": "01:46:38", "text": "be uh an initiatory teacher he's going"}, {"start": "01:46:36", "end": "01:46:41", "text": "to create these stories uh which are"}, {"start": "01:46:38", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "called likely stories"}, {"start": "01:46:41", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "and by by giving this kind of fable this"}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:50", "text": "myth he's actually following a very long"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:53", "text": "line of other authors in the past that"}, {"start": "01:46:50", "end": "01:46:55", "text": "create myths of the gods but it's"}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:56", "text": "actually telling another story when"}, {"start": "01:46:55", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "initiated into this. So this is where we"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:47:01", "text": "get into secret societies. This is where"}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:04", "text": "we get into the initiations in Egypt"}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:06", "text": "where the general public"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:08", "text": "if you could understand the story and"}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "the story is a good story and he is"}, {"start": "01:47:08", "end": "01:47:13", "text": "great at making stories. U this story"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:16", "text": "will pass on for generation and"}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:18", "text": "generation and it has exactly the way he"}, {"start": "01:47:16", "end": "01:47:21", "text": "wanted it. But you would have to be"}, {"start": "01:47:18", "end": "01:47:22", "text": "initiated into these other orders in"}, {"start": "01:47:21", "end": "01:47:23", "text": "order to have the keys to unlock them"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "and understand it."}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:26", "text": ">> Yeah. To decipher them,"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:28", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:47:26", "end": "01:47:32", "text": ">> Yeah. That's fascinating because it"}, {"start": "01:47:28", "end": "01:47:37", "text": "really does for me provide a brand new"}, {"start": "01:47:32", "end": "01:47:41", "text": "context into how brilliant these"}, {"start": "01:47:37", "end": "01:47:43", "text": "philosophers were. You know, we use the"}, {"start": "01:47:41", "end": "01:47:44", "text": "term philosophers, the Greek"}, {"start": "01:47:43", "end": "01:47:46", "text": "philosophers. We we say it so"}, {"start": "01:47:44", "end": "01:47:48", "text": "flippantly. I don't think we can"}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:51", "text": "comprehend how smart these people really"}, {"start": "01:47:48", "end": "01:47:54", "text": "were. Um, it's really difficult for us"}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:57", "text": "to comprehend that. I I don't know how"}, {"start": "01:47:54", "end": "01:48:00", "text": "he did this. It's It boggles my mind."}, {"start": "01:47:57", "end": "01:48:03", "text": "And the more I reread and reread, it's"}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:05", "text": "like I keep finding more things and I'm"}, {"start": "01:48:03", "end": "01:48:07", "text": "like, it just becomes obvious. It's like"}, {"start": "01:48:05", "end": "01:48:12", "text": "once you have that key, it starts to"}, {"start": "01:48:07", "end": "01:48:14", "text": "become so obvious. And you know, I I'm"}, {"start": "01:48:12", "end": "01:48:16", "text": "not the person like people are"}, {"start": "01:48:14", "end": "01:48:18", "text": "historical. They want to find the island"}, {"start": "01:48:16", "end": "01:48:21", "text": "and then people are okay this is a"}, {"start": "01:48:18", "end": "01:48:23", "text": "political allegory of moral you know and"}, {"start": "01:48:21", "end": "01:48:25", "text": "I say that's fantastic"}, {"start": "01:48:23", "end": "01:48:28", "text": "beautiful I'm not discounting either"}, {"start": "01:48:25", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "side I'm saying let's go deeper why did"}, {"start": "01:48:28", "end": "01:48:38", "text": "he why did the um the priest tell Solon"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:40", "text": "that um that Feton stole his char his"}, {"start": "01:48:38", "end": "01:48:44", "text": "father's chariot and burnt the earth"}, {"start": "01:48:40", "end": "01:48:47", "text": "causing a catastroph"}, {"start": "01:48:44", "end": "01:48:49", "text": "um the world goes through these periodic"}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:51", "text": "uh cataclysms by water and fire. Why did"}, {"start": "01:48:49", "end": "01:48:54", "text": "he tell this to Solomon before he told"}, {"start": "01:48:51", "end": "01:48:56", "text": "the Atlanta story? But then before he"}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:48:58", "text": "says the Atlanta story, the priest also"}, {"start": "01:48:56", "end": "01:49:00", "text": "says, you know, this story has a form of"}, {"start": "01:48:58", "end": "01:49:04", "text": "a myth, but what it really means is the"}, {"start": "01:49:00", "end": "01:49:07", "text": "declination of the stars of the heavens"}, {"start": "01:49:04", "end": "01:49:09", "text": "over long periods of time. So he's he's"}, {"start": "01:49:07", "end": "01:49:11", "text": "basically telling you right before he"}, {"start": "01:49:09", "end": "01:49:13", "text": "tells you the story of Atlantis that"}, {"start": "01:49:11", "end": "01:49:16", "text": "this is a myth. And what it really tells"}, {"start": "01:49:13", "end": "01:49:18", "text": "you is that it's a story of the moving"}, {"start": "01:49:16", "end": "01:49:21", "text": "heavens. He says it right before he"}, {"start": "01:49:18", "end": "01:49:23", "text": "tells the story of Atlantis. And the"}, {"start": "01:49:21", "end": "01:49:25", "text": "story of Feton is the destruction of the"}, {"start": "01:49:23", "end": "01:49:27", "text": "world by fire."}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:29", "text": "The exact same theme is in the Atlantis"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "story, but it's with water. And that's"}, {"start": "01:49:29", "end": "01:49:33", "text": "exactly what he said. There's periods of"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:36", "text": "destruction with fire and water. And"}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:39", "text": "then now he tells the story of Atlantis,"}, {"start": "01:49:36", "end": "01:49:41", "text": ">> you know. So people, they hear the story"}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:44", "text": "of Atlantis, they want they"}, {"start": "01:49:41", "end": "01:49:46", "text": ">> we want the national treasure. We"}, {"start": "01:49:44", "end": "01:49:50", "text": ">> they want to find it. But I'll just say"}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:53", "text": "like as well, they the uh he he says"}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "it's right outside the pillars of"}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:58", "text": "Hercules, which we know exactly that"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:50:00", "text": "location on Earth. Okay. So he's given"}, {"start": "01:49:58", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "us the exact direction where it is. He's"}, {"start": "01:50:00", "end": "01:50:06", "text": "given us the size of it. He says it's"}, {"start": "01:50:03", "end": "01:50:08", "text": "larger than Libya and Asia combined."}, {"start": "01:50:06", "end": "01:50:10", "text": "Now, if you put those two places"}, {"start": "01:50:08", "end": "01:50:12", "text": "together, you're talking about a"}, {"start": "01:50:10", "end": "01:50:13", "text": "continent roughly the size of North"}, {"start": "01:50:12", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "America."}, {"start": "01:50:13", "end": "01:50:19", "text": ">> We're talking about a big place. So, and"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:21", "text": "if that went into the ocean 11,000 years"}, {"start": "01:50:19", "end": "01:50:24", "text": "ago, give or take, there's going to be"}, {"start": "01:50:21", "end": "01:50:27", "text": "evidence of that. Um, you're going to"}, {"start": "01:50:24", "end": "01:50:30", "text": "see it, but we don't. It's it's"}, {"start": "01:50:27", "end": "01:50:31", "text": "completely not in that location unless"}, {"start": "01:50:30", "end": "01:50:33", "text": "you know NASA and everybody's lying to"}, {"start": "01:50:31", "end": "01:50:34", "text": "us which you know again that's a"}, {"start": "01:50:33", "end": "01:50:35", "text": "possibility. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:50:34", "end": "01:50:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:50:35", "end": "01:50:40", "text": ">> But so everybody will will look at this"}, {"start": "01:50:39", "end": "01:50:43", "text": "or look at the story of Atlantis and say"}, {"start": "01:50:40", "end": "01:50:45", "text": "he they said exactly that there is an"}, {"start": "01:50:43", "end": "01:50:48", "text": "island. This is true. It's right here."}, {"start": "01:50:45", "end": "01:50:49", "text": "This is the size. But look at the entire"}, {"start": "01:50:48", "end": "01:50:51", "text": "story."}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:53", "text": ">> You know because if this is true"}, {"start": "01:50:51", "end": "01:50:57", "text": ">> and the why I think that's important"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:51:01", "text": "too. Like why would why would Plato"}, {"start": "01:50:57", "end": "01:51:04", "text": "like shroud this story uh as as a sort"}, {"start": "01:51:01", "end": "01:51:06", "text": "of map to lead you to like a lost"}, {"start": "01:51:04", "end": "01:51:08", "text": "civilization? That doesn't seem like"}, {"start": "01:51:06", "end": "01:51:09", "text": "something Plato would do or these"}, {"start": "01:51:08", "end": "01:51:11", "text": "philosophers would do. They wouldn't"}, {"start": "01:51:09", "end": "01:51:12", "text": "send you on a treasure hunt,"}, {"start": "01:51:11", "end": "01:51:14", "text": ">> you know? It it seems like something"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:16", "text": "Hollywood would do or like, you know,"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:20", "text": "like a national treasure movie. I would"}, {"start": "01:51:16", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "love to see it. Um but in terms of"}, {"start": "01:51:20", "end": "01:51:23", "text": "philosophers, those guys were imparting"}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "knowledge"}, {"start": "01:51:23", "end": "01:51:29", "text": "like math and science and astronomy and"}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:32", "text": "that type of thing. The the thing is"}, {"start": "01:51:29", "end": "01:51:33", "text": "it's the same thing with the Republic"}, {"start": "01:51:32", "end": "01:51:37", "text": "where they're trying to find the ideal"}, {"start": "01:51:33", "end": "01:51:39", "text": "society. And it's it's almost like it"}, {"start": "01:51:37", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "doesn't matter what they choose, it"}, {"start": "01:51:39", "end": "01:51:41", "text": "falls apart,"}, {"start": "01:51:40", "end": "01:51:43", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:51:41", "end": "01:51:45", "text": ">> It's the same thing with life. It's the"}, {"start": "01:51:43", "end": "01:51:47", "text": "same thing with philosophy. It's the"}, {"start": "01:51:45", "end": "01:51:49", "text": "same thing with these cycles. And this"}, {"start": "01:51:47", "end": "01:51:51", "text": "is why the priest told Solon it's about"}, {"start": "01:51:49", "end": "01:51:53", "text": "these cycles of the stars, the cycles of"}, {"start": "01:51:51", "end": "01:51:56", "text": "the heaven over long periods of time"}, {"start": "01:51:53", "end": "01:51:58", "text": "because there is this destruction that"}, {"start": "01:51:56", "end": "01:52:02", "text": "will periodically happen. Every"}, {"start": "01:51:58", "end": "01:52:06", "text": "civilization will come to its fall but"}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:08", "text": "then there's this time of recalibration"}, {"start": "01:52:06", "end": "01:52:10", "text": "and then there's this time where the"}, {"start": "01:52:08", "end": "01:52:13", "text": "society rises again and it's like a new"}, {"start": "01:52:10", "end": "01:52:15", "text": "world and it matches these cycles. So"}, {"start": "01:52:13", "end": "01:52:18", "text": "this whole thing about hubris and"}, {"start": "01:52:15", "end": "01:52:20", "text": "arrogance and in my personal opinion"}, {"start": "01:52:18", "end": "01:52:23", "text": "this hubris and arrogance is not about"}, {"start": "01:52:20", "end": "01:52:25", "text": "the ideal state. It's the ideal state of"}, {"start": "01:52:23", "end": "01:52:28", "text": "consciousness"}, {"start": "01:52:25", "end": "01:52:30", "text": "as in you know don't run around like a"}, {"start": "01:52:28", "end": "01:52:33", "text": "chicken with your head cut off because"}, {"start": "01:52:30", "end": "01:52:35", "text": "the world is ending. Understand that"}, {"start": "01:52:33", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "these are natural cycles that will"}, {"start": "01:52:35", "end": "01:52:40", "text": "happen again and again and again. And if"}, {"start": "01:52:38", "end": "01:52:43", "text": "you understand this, you're going to be"}, {"start": "01:52:40", "end": "01:52:46", "text": "strong and you could lead."}, {"start": "01:52:43", "end": "01:52:50", "text": ">> It's a it's a lot to contemplate, you"}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:53", "text": "know, and we're finding out now"}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:55", "text": "thousands of years later that, oh, there"}, {"start": "01:52:53", "end": "01:52:57", "text": "are cycles and oh, we're kind of at the"}, {"start": "01:52:55", "end": "01:53:00", "text": "end of one right now and like it feels"}, {"start": "01:52:57", "end": "01:53:03", "text": "like it might happen again. So, it is"}, {"start": "01:53:00", "end": "01:53:07", "text": "timely that, you know, you sort of"}, {"start": "01:53:03", "end": "01:53:09", "text": "rediscovered uh this through a new lens."}, {"start": "01:53:07", "end": "01:53:11", "text": "Um has that has the work that you've put"}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:13", "text": "into this has that ever been done"}, {"start": "01:53:11", "end": "01:53:14", "text": "before? Has has anyone ever taken that"}, {"start": "01:53:13", "end": "01:53:18", "text": "approach to it?"}, {"start": "01:53:14", "end": "01:53:22", "text": ">> Yes. uh uh proclas which is a five fifth"}, {"start": "01:53:18", "end": "01:53:26", "text": "century AD um he is a neoplatonist and"}, {"start": "01:53:22", "end": "01:53:29", "text": "he looked at the Atlantis story and he"}, {"start": "01:53:26", "end": "01:53:34", "text": "wrote a huge book I think it's about 2"}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "to 300 pages if not more saying that um"}, {"start": "01:53:34", "end": "01:53:39", "text": "the story of Atlantis is actually a"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:41", "text": "celestial allegory of the cycles and the"}, {"start": "01:53:39", "end": "01:53:45", "text": "demiurge and the creation"}, {"start": "01:53:41", "end": "01:53:48", "text": ">> you know and it's it's amazing But this"}, {"start": "01:53:45", "end": "01:53:50", "text": "type of view maps it to the stars as"}, {"start": "01:53:48", "end": "01:53:53", "text": "well. So it it builds off of that. So"}, {"start": "01:53:50", "end": "01:53:56", "text": "that everything that we're told could"}, {"start": "01:53:53", "end": "01:53:59", "text": "actually be seen in the sky and it goes"}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:54:01", "text": "into this kind of um area that a lot of"}, {"start": "01:53:59", "end": "01:54:03", "text": "people don't look into. It's called"}, {"start": "01:54:01", "end": "01:54:05", "text": "astroology."}, {"start": "01:54:03", "end": "01:54:09", "text": "And astrotherology is is kind of like"}, {"start": "01:54:05", "end": "01:54:12", "text": "taking a myth uh and putting um"}, {"start": "01:54:09", "end": "01:54:16", "text": "celestial observations of cycles and"}, {"start": "01:54:12", "end": "01:54:17", "text": "seasons into the myths and the gods."}, {"start": "01:54:16", "end": "01:54:19", "text": ">> H"}, {"start": "01:54:17", "end": "01:54:22", "text": ">> and so we you carry that through but"}, {"start": "01:54:19", "end": "01:54:25", "text": "it's valuable information into it. So"}, {"start": "01:54:22", "end": "01:54:27", "text": "it's like you'll see let's say um the"}, {"start": "01:54:25", "end": "01:54:29", "text": "god sheamesh for example from the"}, {"start": "01:54:27", "end": "01:54:32", "text": "acadian myths the god sheamesh is the"}, {"start": "01:54:29", "end": "01:54:35", "text": "sun god. And when you see the sun god"}, {"start": "01:54:32", "end": "01:54:37", "text": "depicted in some of these um"}, {"start": "01:54:35", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "um tablets,"}, {"start": "01:54:37", "end": "01:54:42", "text": "he'll be holding let's say a knife and"}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:44", "text": "he'll have like heat rays coming off his"}, {"start": "01:54:42", "end": "01:54:45", "text": "shoulder because he's the son. And then"}, {"start": "01:54:44", "end": "01:54:47", "text": "he'll he might be standing next to"}, {"start": "01:54:45", "end": "01:54:50", "text": "Ishtar"}, {"start": "01:54:47", "end": "01:54:52", "text": "and Ishtar like the virgin, she's"}, {"start": "01:54:50", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "holding the barley in her hand and he's"}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:56", "text": "grabbing her by the foot with the knife"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:54:58", "text": "and he has the heat. But what is like"}, {"start": "01:54:56", "end": "01:55:00", "text": "you're looking at God's here, but really"}, {"start": "01:54:58", "end": "01:55:02", "text": "it's kind of like the cycle saying it's"}, {"start": "01:55:00", "end": "01:55:04", "text": "like the sun is now it's the hot time of"}, {"start": "01:55:02", "end": "01:55:07", "text": "the year and he's cutting down. He's"}, {"start": "01:55:04", "end": "01:55:08", "text": "harvesting the the wheat, you know, and"}, {"start": "01:55:07", "end": "01:55:11", "text": "these are the stars that are in the"}, {"start": "01:55:08", "end": "01:55:11", "text": "heavens when this you have to do this,"}, {"start": "01:55:11", "end": "01:55:13", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:55:11", "end": "01:55:16", "text": ">> So there's a celestial knowledge wrapped"}, {"start": "01:55:13", "end": "01:55:17", "text": "into the stories even though we're not"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:19", "text": "aware of those keys."}, {"start": "01:55:17", "end": "01:55:19", "text": ">> Yeah. It's not just fairy tales."}, {"start": "01:55:19", "end": "01:55:22", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:55:19", "end": "01:55:24", "text": ">> There that is their way of"}, {"start": "01:55:22", "end": "01:55:25", "text": "talking about science. That's how they"}, {"start": "01:55:24", "end": "01:55:28", "text": "did it. They did it through story,"}, {"start": "01:55:25", "end": "01:55:28", "text": "through fable, and through tales."}, {"start": "01:55:28", "end": "01:55:31", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "01:55:28", "end": "01:55:33", "text": ">> Very interesting. Uh Jason, I'm gonna go"}, {"start": "01:55:31", "end": "01:55:34", "text": "start the camera back here. We got some"}, {"start": "01:55:33", "end": "01:55:35", "text": "questions from the audience."}, {"start": "01:55:34", "end": "01:55:36", "text": ">> Let's do it."}, {"start": "01:55:35", "end": "01:55:38", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:55:36", "end": "01:55:39", "text": ">> We got a few questions here. Our"}, {"start": "01:55:38", "end": "01:55:41", "text": "audience always asks the best questions"}, {"start": "01:55:39", "end": "01:55:45", "text": "and if you want a chance to ask them as"}, {"start": "01:55:41", "end": "01:55:45", "text": "well, you can become a member."}, {"start": "01:55:49", "end": "01:55:53", "text": "First question here from Ghee says uh"}, {"start": "01:55:51", "end": "01:55:56", "text": "does a does government disclosure even"}, {"start": "01:55:53", "end": "01:55:58", "text": "matter if the real contact happens in"}, {"start": "01:55:56", "end": "01:56:00", "text": "the astral?"}, {"start": "01:55:58", "end": "01:56:01", "text": ">> It it will matter to some people."}, {"start": "01:56:00", "end": "01:56:02", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:56:01", "end": "01:56:05", "text": ">> Because there are people that are"}, {"start": "01:56:02", "end": "01:56:07", "text": "waiting for this disclosure to happen"}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:08", "text": "and to appease whatever"}, {"start": "01:56:07", "end": "01:56:09", "text": "they need."}, {"start": "01:56:08", "end": "01:56:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:56:09", "end": "01:56:14", "text": ">> Um but again I think that the government"}, {"start": "01:56:12", "end": "01:56:18", "text": "does need to come clean. They do need to"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:20", "text": "release something. They need to to give"}, {"start": "01:56:18", "end": "01:56:22", "text": "something to the public because the"}, {"start": "01:56:20", "end": "01:56:25", "text": "public knows that there's something off."}, {"start": "01:56:22", "end": "01:56:28", "text": "And you know, being in this community"}, {"start": "01:56:25", "end": "01:56:29", "text": "for so long, you meet so many people,"}, {"start": "01:56:28", "end": "01:56:33", "text": "people that claim to be whistleblowers"}, {"start": "01:56:29", "end": "01:56:35", "text": "or insiders or contactees or abductees."}, {"start": "01:56:33", "end": "01:56:38", "text": "And there's definitely something going"}, {"start": "01:56:35", "end": "01:56:42", "text": "on. I don't think we'll ever get the"}, {"start": "01:56:38", "end": "01:56:45", "text": "answer that we actually want. we will"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:47", "text": "just get a story of something to appease"}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:49", "text": "the minds of a lot of people, but a lot"}, {"start": "01:56:47", "end": "01:56:53", "text": "of people will never be happy with those"}, {"start": "01:56:49", "end": "01:56:56", "text": "answers. But will it matter if it's in"}, {"start": "01:56:53", "end": "01:56:58", "text": "the astral?"}, {"start": "01:56:56", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "Not really, because you're dealing with"}, {"start": "01:56:58", "end": "01:57:04", "text": "a whole other beast. Yeah. Yeah. I tend"}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:06", "text": "to agree. I think um"}, {"start": "01:57:04", "end": "01:57:09", "text": "I think a lot of and this is something I"}, {"start": "01:57:06", "end": "01:57:11", "text": "I I get a lot of push back on when I"}, {"start": "01:57:09", "end": "01:57:13", "text": "talk about but uh I do think that to"}, {"start": "01:57:11", "end": "01:57:16", "text": "some extent answers are inconsequential."}, {"start": "01:57:13", "end": "01:57:18", "text": "I think they pro only thing answers"}, {"start": "01:57:16", "end": "01:57:20", "text": "provide is the ability to ask a new"}, {"start": "01:57:18", "end": "01:57:22", "text": "question and I think the new question is"}, {"start": "01:57:20", "end": "01:57:24", "text": "more valuable and so to be able to ask"}, {"start": "01:57:22", "end": "01:57:26", "text": "new questions that's what we're really"}, {"start": "01:57:24", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "after and to do that we have to get an"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:33", "text": "old answer out of the way. Um but I I I"}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:36", "text": "don't know. I I I also I also think that"}, {"start": "01:57:33", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "um you know let's say if the question is"}, {"start": "01:57:36", "end": "01:57:41", "text": "are we alone, right? If that is the"}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:45", "text": "question, if the answer to that is that"}, {"start": "01:57:41", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "we're given is yes, we're alone."}, {"start": "01:57:45", "end": "01:57:49", "text": "I'm not happy with that answer. I'm"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:51", "text": "going to keep asking the question until"}, {"start": "01:57:49", "end": "01:57:54", "text": "that answer becomes no. Right."}, {"start": "01:57:51", "end": "01:57:55", "text": ">> That answer is scarier than anything"}, {"start": "01:57:54", "end": "01:57:56", "text": "they can give us."}, {"start": "01:57:55", "end": "01:57:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly."}, {"start": "01:57:56", "end": "01:58:00", "text": ">> That's the worst answer."}, {"start": "01:57:57", "end": "01:58:02", "text": ">> Yes. Yeah. But if that is the answer,"}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:03", "text": "it's not going to satisfy anyone. And we"}, {"start": "01:58:02", "end": "01:58:06", "text": "will keep looking until the answer is"}, {"start": "01:58:03", "end": "01:58:07", "text": "no. Correct. So why don't we just assume"}, {"start": "01:58:06", "end": "01:58:07", "text": "it's no and move on?"}, {"start": "01:58:07", "end": "01:58:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:58:07", "end": "01:58:09", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:58:08", "end": "01:58:13", "text": ">> Well, they want the bodies. They want"}, {"start": "01:58:09", "end": "01:58:15", "text": "the craft. And yeah, but only I I I do"}, {"start": "01:58:13", "end": "01:58:18", "text": "believe this and again I'll probably get"}, {"start": "01:58:15", "end": "01:58:22", "text": "push back for that, but I do think it is"}, {"start": "01:58:18", "end": "01:58:27", "text": "only to satisfy a selfish"}, {"start": "01:58:22", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "um need that we think will fill a void,"}, {"start": "01:58:27", "end": "01:58:31", "text": "which it will not. You get an answer,"}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:33", "text": "you're not going to retire and be like,"}, {"start": "01:58:31", "end": "01:58:35", "text": "\"Well, there we go. I can I can die"}, {"start": "01:58:33", "end": "01:58:36", "text": "now.\" Of course not. You're going to"}, {"start": "01:58:35", "end": "01:58:38", "text": "you're going to have another question,"}, {"start": "01:58:36", "end": "01:58:40", "text": "and guess what? that question will feel"}, {"start": "01:58:38", "end": "01:58:42", "text": "more important than the other one."}, {"start": "01:58:40", "end": "01:58:44", "text": ">> Yeah. It reminds me of like kind of like"}, {"start": "01:58:42", "end": "01:58:46", "text": "the old mouthon type of nuts andbolts"}, {"start": "01:58:44", "end": "01:58:48", "text": "stuff where it's like they're just"}, {"start": "01:58:46", "end": "01:58:50", "text": "interested in the craft. They need to"}, {"start": "01:58:48", "end": "01:58:51", "text": "know that technology. They want to know"}, {"start": "01:58:50", "end": "01:58:53", "text": "what powers it because if they can get"}, {"start": "01:58:51", "end": "01:58:56", "text": "their hands on that power system, we can"}, {"start": "01:58:53", "end": "01:58:57", "text": "change the world for the better. And I"}, {"start": "01:58:56", "end": "01:58:59", "text": "think it was actually Grant Cameron that"}, {"start": "01:58:57", "end": "01:59:01", "text": "said this. I don't know where he got it"}, {"start": "01:58:59", "end": "01:59:04", "text": "from, but he he was basically saying"}, {"start": "01:59:01", "end": "01:59:06", "text": "that um what happens if we give the"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:08", "text": "world free energy today?"}, {"start": "01:59:06", "end": "01:59:10", "text": "You think we're going to be better off?"}, {"start": "01:59:08", "end": "01:59:12", "text": "No, we're just gonna take more from the"}, {"start": "01:59:10", "end": "01:59:15", "text": "Earth faster because now we don't have"}, {"start": "01:59:12", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "to pay energy costs and energy costs are"}, {"start": "01:59:15", "end": "01:59:18", "text": "the only thing that's stopping us from"}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:20", "text": "taking more."}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:22", "text": ">> Yeah, it's well put. Wow, I never"}, {"start": "01:59:20", "end": "01:59:25", "text": "thought of that."}, {"start": "01:59:22", "end": "01:59:25", "text": "All right."}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:38", "text": "From JK Part, which ancient technology"}, {"start": "01:59:36", "end": "01:59:40", "text": "best supports interaction with"}, {"start": "01:59:38", "end": "01:59:44", "text": "consciousness or the body's EM field,"}, {"start": "01:59:40", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "and why?"}, {"start": "01:59:44", "end": "01:59:49", "text": ">> Oh, wow."}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:51", "text": "I you know at first I was just going to"}, {"start": "01:59:49", "end": "01:59:53", "text": "say churches"}, {"start": "01:59:51", "end": "01:59:55", "text": ">> like the building the architecture from"}, {"start": "01:59:53", "end": "01:59:58", "text": "the masons they knew how to build in"}, {"start": "01:59:55", "end": "02:00:02", "text": "harmony with uh very specific numbers"}, {"start": "01:59:58", "end": "02:00:04", "text": "and creating spaces that put you into"}, {"start": "02:00:02", "end": "02:00:06", "text": "contact and altered states of"}, {"start": "02:00:04", "end": "02:00:07", "text": "consciousness just being in the building"}, {"start": "02:00:06", "end": "02:00:08", "text": "itself."}, {"start": "02:00:07", "end": "02:00:10", "text": ">> The resonance too"}, {"start": "02:00:08", "end": "02:00:12", "text": ">> just the resonance. So there is like an"}, {"start": "02:00:10", "end": "02:00:14", "text": "art of architecture"}, {"start": "02:00:12", "end": "02:00:17", "text": "that you can build the structures of"}, {"start": "02:00:14", "end": "02:00:19", "text": "creation or the vibrations and the"}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:21", "text": "sacred numbers and sacred geometry of"}, {"start": "02:00:19", "end": "02:00:23", "text": "creation directly into the structure"}, {"start": "02:00:21", "end": "02:00:26", "text": "that will resonate with you on a level"}, {"start": "02:00:23", "end": "02:00:28", "text": "that you're not aware of. So I would say"}, {"start": "02:00:26", "end": "02:00:30", "text": "that uh churches"}, {"start": "02:00:28", "end": "02:00:32", "text": ">> wow that's a good answer."}, {"start": "02:00:30", "end": "02:00:36", "text": ">> They're pretty powerful. Um"}, {"start": "02:00:32", "end": "02:00:39", "text": ">> how they enhance prayer as well and song"}, {"start": "02:00:36", "end": "02:00:41", "text": "because remember uh again going back to"}, {"start": "02:00:39", "end": "02:00:44", "text": "music reverberation"}, {"start": "02:00:41", "end": "02:00:47", "text": "you create the space and as the sound"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:49", "text": "reverberates around the the walls you're"}, {"start": "02:00:47", "end": "02:00:51", "text": "creating sacred geometry structures of"}, {"start": "02:00:49", "end": "02:00:55", "text": "sound within it."}, {"start": "02:00:51", "end": "02:00:57", "text": ">> Yeah. And that is a an exact science as"}, {"start": "02:00:55", "end": "02:01:00", "text": "well. And you know, I know a lot of"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:01:03", "text": "people refer to the king's tomb in the"}, {"start": "02:01:00", "end": "02:01:05", "text": "pyramids as well is like if you the"}, {"start": "02:01:03", "end": "02:01:06", "text": "king's chamber rather and and if you lay"}, {"start": "02:01:05", "end": "02:01:06", "text": "in that box"}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:11", "text": ">> and you start humming it'll just like"}, {"start": "02:01:09", "end": "02:01:12", "text": "it'll almost induce an out of body"}, {"start": "02:01:11", "end": "02:01:15", "text": "state, you know."}, {"start": "02:01:12", "end": "02:01:18", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I I would think that's very"}, {"start": "02:01:15", "end": "02:01:20", "text": "very powerful. And the pyramid itself,"}, {"start": "02:01:18", "end": "02:01:22", "text": "if you look at the geometry and the"}, {"start": "02:01:20", "end": "02:01:25", "text": "cubits and how it's built with the"}, {"start": "02:01:22", "end": "02:01:26", "text": "chambers, you get these low frequency"}, {"start": "02:01:25", "end": "02:01:29", "text": "oscillations going through those"}, {"start": "02:01:26", "end": "02:01:32", "text": "chambers, uh, with the granite and the"}, {"start": "02:01:29", "end": "02:01:34", "text": "limestone, you are creating, um, an"}, {"start": "02:01:32", "end": "02:01:37", "text": "electrical resonance field. And the"}, {"start": "02:01:34", "end": "02:01:41", "text": "shape of the pyramid itself,"}, {"start": "02:01:37", "end": "02:01:43", "text": "um, is a reflection of sacred geometry."}, {"start": "02:01:41", "end": "02:01:46", "text": "Basically, it's the symbol of creation"}, {"start": "02:01:43", "end": "02:01:48", "text": "itself. So, you know, that's an"}, {"start": "02:01:46", "end": "02:01:49", "text": "extremely powerful thing, but I thought"}, {"start": "02:01:48", "end": "02:01:50", "text": "that would be the number one answer"}, {"start": "02:01:49", "end": "02:01:53", "text": "everybody would expect."}, {"start": "02:01:50", "end": "02:01:54", "text": ">> I I think so. Yeah. Because Yeah. I"}, {"start": "02:01:53", "end": "02:01:57", "text": "mean, pyramids, triangles, and all that"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "stuff, but church is a good one. And uh"}, {"start": "02:01:57", "end": "02:02:01", "text": "something I found out when I traveled to"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:02", "text": "England recently was in order to be a"}, {"start": "02:02:01", "end": "02:02:05", "text": "city, you would have to have a"}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:07", "text": "cathedral. I didn't know that. Uh so"}, {"start": "02:02:05", "end": "02:02:09", "text": "that's why all these like townships and"}, {"start": "02:02:07", "end": "02:02:10", "text": "they all have like the cities all have a"}, {"start": "02:02:09", "end": "02:02:12", "text": "cathedral. Like you wouldn't be"}, {"start": "02:02:10", "end": "02:02:15", "text": "considered a city if you didn't have"}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "one. So, you know, I think this is a"}, {"start": "02:02:15", "end": "02:02:20", "text": "John Mitchell book where he talks about"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:22", "text": "the sacred center and the these building"}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:24", "text": "structures of of cities and towns is"}, {"start": "02:02:22", "end": "02:02:26", "text": "that you would find the center where"}, {"start": "02:02:24", "end": "02:02:28", "text": "it's like the most powerful place"}, {"start": "02:02:26", "end": "02:02:29", "text": "energetically like through lay lines."}, {"start": "02:02:28", "end": "02:02:31", "text": ">> Oh, like a layline thing."}, {"start": "02:02:29", "end": "02:02:33", "text": ">> And what you would do is that you would"}, {"start": "02:02:31", "end": "02:02:35", "text": "find that space which is like the"}, {"start": "02:02:33", "end": "02:02:36", "text": "life-giving space. Then you would put"}, {"start": "02:02:35", "end": "02:02:39", "text": "your build your cathedral and then you"}, {"start": "02:02:36", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "would build the city around it. But that"}, {"start": "02:02:39", "end": "02:02:43", "text": "would be before our modern"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:44", "text": "interpretation of what lay lines are. So"}, {"start": "02:02:43", "end": "02:02:47", "text": "they would have to how do they measure"}, {"start": "02:02:44", "end": "02:02:48", "text": "that in that case? They would just feel"}, {"start": "02:02:47", "end": "02:02:50", "text": "it out."}, {"start": "02:02:48", "end": "02:02:52", "text": ">> I you know I Well,"}, {"start": "02:02:50", "end": "02:02:53", "text": "there's like dowsers, people that are"}, {"start": "02:02:52", "end": "02:02:54", "text": "sensitive."}, {"start": "02:02:53", "end": "02:02:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Witching rods and whatnot."}, {"start": "02:02:54", "end": "02:02:58", "text": ">> Yeah. And there's also physical signs."}, {"start": "02:02:57", "end": "02:03:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:02:58", "end": "02:03:02", "text": ">> You know, like uh when you're looking at"}, {"start": "02:03:00", "end": "02:03:04", "text": "areas, it's almost like a sweetness in"}, {"start": "02:03:02", "end": "02:03:05", "text": "the air. There's water flowing. There's"}, {"start": "02:03:04", "end": "02:03:07", "text": "plants, abundance of life."}, {"start": "02:03:05", "end": "02:03:10", "text": ">> Right. I see. It's like when you when"}, {"start": "02:03:07", "end": "02:03:12", "text": "you see an area that is just teeming"}, {"start": "02:03:10", "end": "02:03:14", "text": "with life and then you're like, \"This is"}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:15", "text": "this is a good spot.\""}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:17", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "02:03:15", "end": "02:03:17", "text": ">> And then kill it, wipe it out, put it"}, {"start": "02:03:17", "end": "02:03:20", "text": "[laughter] in."}, {"start": "02:03:17", "end": "02:03:23", "text": ">> Yeah, let's build something."}, {"start": "02:03:20", "end": "02:03:26", "text": ">> All right, we got one last one here from"}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:26", "text": "uh Slug."}, {"start": "02:03:26", "end": "02:03:31", "text": "Believe that is his real name."}, {"start": "02:03:34", "end": "02:03:37", "text": "Great question, Slug. Of everything in"}, {"start": "02:03:36", "end": "02:03:41", "text": "Forbidden Knowledge, what did you"}, {"start": "02:03:37", "end": "02:03:43", "text": "hesitate most to include and why did it"}, {"start": "02:03:41", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "make the cut?"}, {"start": "02:03:43", "end": "02:03:47", "text": "[sighs]"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:50", "text": "Oh my god. First of all, Forbidden"}, {"start": "02:03:47", "end": "02:03:52", "text": "Knowledge. That's the first book that I"}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "wrote with Bob Mitchell."}, {"start": "02:03:52", "end": "02:03:58", "text": "And I didn't know at the time that"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:01", "text": "people would even read that book. Okay."}, {"start": "02:03:58", "end": "02:04:03", "text": "I thought and the problem with it being"}, {"start": "02:04:01", "end": "02:04:05", "text": "the first book and you know someone's"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:06", "text": "interviewing you is there's no filters"}, {"start": "02:04:05", "end": "02:04:08", "text": "whatsoever."}, {"start": "02:04:06", "end": "02:04:10", "text": ">> So in that book it's like there's"}, {"start": "02:04:08", "end": "02:04:13", "text": "there's names of like my teachers, names"}, {"start": "02:04:10", "end": "02:04:15", "text": "of my friends, names of my family like"}, {"start": "02:04:13", "end": "02:04:19", "text": "it's just an the whole book is an"}, {"start": "02:04:15", "end": "02:04:21", "text": "overshare and [snorts] the so"}, {"start": "02:04:19", "end": "02:04:24", "text": "after people started reading it I was"}, {"start": "02:04:21", "end": "02:04:28", "text": "like oh my god no."}, {"start": "02:04:24", "end": "02:04:29", "text": "So I had I had to um and then also"}, {"start": "02:04:28", "end": "02:04:31", "text": "within the first couple of months of"}, {"start": "02:04:29", "end": "02:04:33", "text": "that book being out, Bob Mitchell also"}, {"start": "02:04:31", "end": "02:04:35", "text": "passed away. So we also had to deal with"}, {"start": "02:04:33", "end": "02:04:36", "text": "okay now what do we do with this"}, {"start": "02:04:35", "end": "02:04:39", "text": "partnership and all these things and"}, {"start": "02:04:36", "end": "02:04:40", "text": "what ended up happening was uh we work"}, {"start": "02:04:39", "end": "02:04:45", "text": "with the family and we took the book"}, {"start": "02:04:40", "end": "02:04:48", "text": "away. Um and then I wrote astral"}, {"start": "02:04:45", "end": "02:04:52", "text": "experiences which is um a little more"}, {"start": "02:04:48", "end": "02:04:54", "text": "focused [laughter] and not oversharing."}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:57", "text": "But you have to remember also Bob"}, {"start": "02:04:54", "end": "02:05:00", "text": "Mitchell was the guy um who was the"}, {"start": "02:04:57", "end": "02:05:02", "text": "journalist who loved taking down"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:05", "text": "experiencers stories and alien"}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:08", "text": "abduction. So he was heavily involved in"}, {"start": "02:05:05", "end": "02:05:10", "text": "uh UFO mythology. So in forbidden"}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:12", "text": "knowledge it's a mix between my personal"}, {"start": "02:05:10", "end": "02:05:14", "text": "experiences which I didn't hold back at"}, {"start": "02:05:12", "end": "02:05:16", "text": "all in that book. That was just nuts"}, {"start": "02:05:14", "end": "02:05:19", "text": "experiences"}, {"start": "02:05:16", "end": "02:05:22", "text": "and then he would uh parallel it to"}, {"start": "02:05:19", "end": "02:05:24", "text": "other experiencers in the UFO scene. So,"}, {"start": "02:05:22", "end": "02:05:27", "text": "it has a very heavy UFO weight to that"}, {"start": "02:05:24", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "book, whereas the new book, it's more"}, {"start": "02:05:27", "end": "02:05:31", "text": "just about the experiences."}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:34", "text": ">> Was there ever an experience that you"}, {"start": "02:05:31", "end": "02:05:35", "text": "had that was just too crazy to share?"}, {"start": "02:05:34", "end": "02:05:37", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:05:35", "end": "02:05:39", "text": ">> What's one example"}, {"start": "02:05:37", "end": "02:05:41", "text": "other than the being a giant amoeba?"}, {"start": "02:05:39", "end": "02:05:42", "text": ">> Hybrid children."}, {"start": "02:05:41", "end": "02:05:45", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "02:05:42", "end": "02:05:46", "text": ">> Yeah. That hybrid children"}, {"start": "02:05:45", "end": "02:05:47", "text": ">> that you were shown?"}, {"start": "02:05:46", "end": "02:05:49", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:05:47", "end": "02:05:49", "text": ">> Hybrid children. Hold on."}, {"start": "02:05:49", "end": "02:05:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:05:49", "end": "02:05:54", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "02:05:50", "end": "02:05:55", "text": ">> Yeah. that that stuff I I I am cautious"}, {"start": "02:05:54", "end": "02:05:58", "text": "about sharing"}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:06:00", "text": ">> cuz that is you know ever since I think"}, {"start": "02:05:58", "end": "02:06:02", "text": "Debbie Jordan Deborah Jordan was like"}, {"start": "02:06:00", "end": "02:06:04", "text": "one of the first ones you know uh the"}, {"start": "02:06:02", "end": "02:06:08", "text": "encounters book that Bud Hopkin covered"}, {"start": "02:06:04", "end": "02:06:10", "text": "Bud Hopkins covered um was one of the"}, {"start": "02:06:08", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "first times I think it was talked about"}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:16", "text": "this idea that they were presented with"}, {"start": "02:06:13", "end": "02:06:18", "text": "their hybrid children and I've spoken"}, {"start": "02:06:16", "end": "02:06:21", "text": "you know I've sat across from many"}, {"start": "02:06:18", "end": "02:06:23", "text": "experiencer who's told me about these"}, {"start": "02:06:21", "end": "02:06:25", "text": "same things. What was that that happened"}, {"start": "02:06:23", "end": "02:06:28", "text": "in the astral?"}, {"start": "02:06:25", "end": "02:06:29", "text": ">> Uh is this on like this is is this on"}, {"start": "02:06:28", "end": "02:06:30", "text": "YouTube this part?"}, {"start": "02:06:29", "end": "02:06:31", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:06:30", "end": "02:06:34", "text": ">> Shoot."}, {"start": "02:06:31", "end": "02:06:36", "text": ">> I mean we can caveat it. We can put a"}, {"start": "02:06:34", "end": "02:06:38", "text": "big disclaimer here and say you know"}, {"start": "02:06:36", "end": "02:06:40", "text": "this we don't know what this is but"}, {"start": "02:06:38", "end": "02:06:42", "text": ">> Well, it's like"}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:44", "text": "because you don't hear these things"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "happening to men."}, {"start": "02:06:44", "end": "02:06:49", "text": ">> I I have Yes. Um Peter Curry, he broke"}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:52", "text": "down in tears with what he was shown."}, {"start": "02:06:49", "end": "02:06:55", "text": "Um, I also have spoken to three other"}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:56", "text": "male experiencers off camera about this"}, {"start": "02:06:55", "end": "02:06:57", "text": "exact thing and they are known"}, {"start": "02:06:56", "end": "02:07:00", "text": "experiencers."}, {"start": "02:06:57", "end": "02:07:03", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. So, you know, I think we've"}, {"start": "02:07:00", "end": "02:07:04", "text": "talked about enough crazy things. I I'll"}, {"start": "02:07:03", "end": "02:07:07", "text": "share this"}, {"start": "02:07:04", "end": "02:07:08", "text": ">> but just know this is an exclusive."}, {"start": "02:07:07", "end": "02:07:10", "text": ">> Understood."}, {"start": "02:07:08", "end": "02:07:11", "text": ">> Okay. So"}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:16", "text": "basically"}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "um I was taken and I was like I was in"}, {"start": "02:07:16", "end": "02:07:23", "text": "this nursery hospital type of thing and"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:26", "text": "this this like um"}, {"start": "02:07:23", "end": "02:07:28", "text": "this nurse walks out and it's like I I"}, {"start": "02:07:26", "end": "02:07:31", "text": "want you to meet your child. And this is"}, {"start": "02:07:28", "end": "02:07:32", "text": "like in my early 20s like I don't have"}, {"start": "02:07:31", "end": "02:07:33", "text": "any children. I'm not with anybody."}, {"start": "02:07:32", "end": "02:07:38", "text": ">> A human nurse."}, {"start": "02:07:33", "end": "02:07:40", "text": ">> It's like a human nurse. And they they"}, {"start": "02:07:38", "end": "02:07:43", "text": "have this child. They want to show it be"}, {"start": "02:07:40", "end": "02:07:47", "text": "my child and they show it to me and it's"}, {"start": "02:07:43", "end": "02:07:50", "text": "like it's like it's like a half"}, {"start": "02:07:47", "end": "02:07:53", "text": "human, a half like it really looked like"}, {"start": "02:07:50", "end": "02:07:54", "text": "a half alien baby. And"}, {"start": "02:07:53", "end": "02:07:58", "text": ">> did it have a little bit of hair?"}, {"start": "02:07:54", "end": "02:08:00", "text": ">> It did have a little hair. And I was so"}, {"start": "02:07:58", "end": "02:08:02", "text": "angry. Like I I have this streak of"}, {"start": "02:08:00", "end": "02:08:05", "text": "anger in me like with all these other"}, {"start": "02:08:02", "end": "02:08:08", "text": "experiences. But I I was I felt so taken"}, {"start": "02:08:05", "end": "02:08:10", "text": "advantage of. I felt so angry that this"}, {"start": "02:08:08", "end": "02:08:13", "text": "happened that I fel I I felt this like"}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:15", "text": "instant hate"}, {"start": "02:08:13", "end": "02:08:17", "text": "like and I just like in my mind I just"}, {"start": "02:08:15", "end": "02:08:19", "text": "like went to the child. I'm like I want"}, {"start": "02:08:17", "end": "02:08:21", "text": "you to die. Like that's the first"}, {"start": "02:08:19", "end": "02:08:23", "text": "thought that came to me. It's like I"}, {"start": "02:08:21", "end": "02:08:25", "text": "hate you. I want you to die. Like this"}, {"start": "02:08:23", "end": "02:08:28", "text": "is awful. And it's like the the child"}, {"start": "02:08:25", "end": "02:08:31", "text": "just kind of went limp in the hands. And"}, {"start": "02:08:28", "end": "02:08:33", "text": "then it's like I'm back, right? And I'm"}, {"start": "02:08:31", "end": "02:08:35", "text": "like, and I wake up and I have all this"}, {"start": "02:08:33", "end": "02:08:37", "text": "regret and I'm like, why did I do that?"}, {"start": "02:08:35", "end": "02:08:38", "text": "Because it's it's more like in when"}, {"start": "02:08:37", "end": "02:08:40", "text": "you're in these out of body states,"}, {"start": "02:08:38", "end": "02:08:42", "text": "there's no like filter. It's impulse."}, {"start": "02:08:40", "end": "02:08:44", "text": ">> It's so impulse."}, {"start": "02:08:42", "end": "02:08:47", "text": ">> And that's what I really felt at that"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:50", "text": "moment, like how can you do this?"}, {"start": "02:08:47", "end": "02:08:52", "text": ">> And um so I had a lot of guilt, but then"}, {"start": "02:08:50", "end": "02:08:56", "text": "like a couple years later, I was taken"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:58", "text": "back and I'm back in the same place and"}, {"start": "02:08:56", "end": "02:09:00", "text": "they go, \"I want you to see your son"}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:02", "text": "again.\" It was a son and they told me"}, {"start": "02:09:00", "end": "02:09:05", "text": "his name and I saw him like walking. It"}, {"start": "02:09:02", "end": "02:09:06", "text": "was just a little guy. Didn't look like"}, {"start": "02:09:05", "end": "02:09:10", "text": "an alien at all now. He looked like a"}, {"start": "02:09:06", "end": "02:09:11", "text": "human and came up and I gave him a big"}, {"start": "02:09:10", "end": "02:09:14", "text": "hug and it was like this kind of"}, {"start": "02:09:11", "end": "02:09:16", "text": "reunion. It was like very beautiful. I"}, {"start": "02:09:14", "end": "02:09:20", "text": "said I was sorry for what I did the"}, {"start": "02:09:16", "end": "02:09:22", "text": "first time and um that was it. It"}, {"start": "02:09:20", "end": "02:09:25", "text": ">> was very emotional because like I have"}, {"start": "02:09:22", "end": "02:09:27", "text": "no idea what this really is."}, {"start": "02:09:25", "end": "02:09:28", "text": ">> What was his name if you don't mind me"}, {"start": "02:09:27", "end": "02:09:28", "text": "asking? Michael."}, {"start": "02:09:28", "end": "02:09:31", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:09:28", "end": "02:09:32", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:09:31", "end": "02:09:33", "text": "[snorts]"}, {"start": "02:09:32", "end": "02:09:36", "text": ">> that's"}, {"start": "02:09:33", "end": "02:09:37", "text": "Yeah, that's so wild."}, {"start": "02:09:36", "end": "02:09:40", "text": "Thank you for sharing that, by the way."}, {"start": "02:09:37", "end": "02:09:41", "text": "I know it's not easy because it sounds"}, {"start": "02:09:40", "end": "02:09:42", "text": "completely insane and"}, {"start": "02:09:41", "end": "02:09:45", "text": ">> it is insane."}, {"start": "02:09:42", "end": "02:09:47", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely. Um, but at the same"}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:50", "text": "time, I think it's important and I've I"}, {"start": "02:09:47", "end": "02:09:51", "text": "I told this to Peter Curry when he was"}, {"start": "02:09:50", "end": "02:09:53", "text": "here as well, and he had some wild"}, {"start": "02:09:51", "end": "02:09:56", "text": "experiences. One of which was that was"}, {"start": "02:09:53", "end": "02:10:00", "text": "and he was actually told prior to the"}, {"start": "02:09:56", "end": "02:10:02", "text": "meeting, he goes, \"We're hesitant to"}, {"start": "02:10:00", "end": "02:10:04", "text": "show you this child because how you"}, {"start": "02:10:02", "end": "02:10:07", "text": "might react to what it looks like"}, {"start": "02:10:04", "end": "02:10:09", "text": "physically.\" And because this child is"}, {"start": "02:10:07", "end": "02:10:12", "text": "excelling and doing really well at"}, {"start": "02:10:09", "end": "02:10:14", "text": "school and what they're doing, um, he's"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:17", "text": "also very highly telepathic and so he'll"}, {"start": "02:10:14", "end": "02:10:20", "text": "pick up on anything that you think. And"}, {"start": "02:10:17", "end": "02:10:23", "text": "so we're gonna help you sort of navigate"}, {"start": "02:10:20", "end": "02:10:27", "text": "that interaction and like screen your"}, {"start": "02:10:23", "end": "02:10:29", "text": "mind type deal. Um but he, you know,"}, {"start": "02:10:27", "end": "02:10:31", "text": "that was the same sort of reaction he"}, {"start": "02:10:29", "end": "02:10:33", "text": "had at first, like whoa, what the hell"}, {"start": "02:10:31", "end": "02:10:35", "text": "is this? And then that how dare you"}, {"start": "02:10:33", "end": "02:10:37", "text": ">> do this to me."}, {"start": "02:10:35", "end": "02:10:38", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:10:37", "end": "02:10:40", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "02:10:38", "end": "02:10:42", "text": ">> so it's like the same thing I just said."}, {"start": "02:10:40", "end": "02:10:44", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. And I like I"}, {"start": "02:10:42", "end": "02:10:47", "text": "said, I would share the other stories,"}, {"start": "02:10:44", "end": "02:10:50", "text": "but um these are, you know, off off"}, {"start": "02:10:47", "end": "02:10:54", "text": "thereord uh well not even off the"}, {"start": "02:10:50", "end": "02:10:55", "text": "record. There's like off camerara um"}, {"start": "02:10:54", "end": "02:10:58", "text": "uh conversations I've had that say the"}, {"start": "02:10:55", "end": "02:11:01", "text": "exact same story that they were shown uh"}, {"start": "02:10:58", "end": "02:11:05", "text": "from other this was from other grays. Um"}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:08", "text": "and it was like football head sort of"}, {"start": "02:11:05", "end": "02:11:12", "text": "half child half or it was all child but"}, {"start": "02:11:08", "end": "02:11:16", "text": "half human half gray um a little tuft of"}, {"start": "02:11:12", "end": "02:11:19", "text": "hair uh brown hair. Um, and then the"}, {"start": "02:11:16", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "eyes were big eyes, but they weren't"}, {"start": "02:11:19", "end": "02:11:24", "text": "completely black. Like there had big"}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:27", "text": "pupils and, you know, big irises. Um,"}, {"start": "02:11:24", "end": "02:11:30", "text": "and then a small nose, uh, little tiny"}, {"start": "02:11:27", "end": "02:11:32", "text": "ears. Like there was a sort of in"}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:33", "text": "between."}, {"start": "02:11:32", "end": "02:11:34", "text": ">> Yeah, that's what it was like."}, {"start": "02:11:33", "end": "02:11:35", "text": ">> Clearly hybrid."}, {"start": "02:11:34", "end": "02:11:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:11:35", "end": "02:11:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:11:36", "end": "02:11:38", "text": ">> But when it was when he was older, he"}, {"start": "02:11:37", "end": "02:11:41", "text": "couldn't tell."}, {"start": "02:11:38", "end": "02:11:44", "text": ">> Wow. Yeah. David Jacobs, you know,"}, {"start": "02:11:41", "end": "02:11:48", "text": "obviously would look into this a lot and"}, {"start": "02:11:44", "end": "02:11:50", "text": "he had a whole sort of evolution going"}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:52", "text": "from he had five stages. Stage one,"}, {"start": "02:11:50", "end": "02:11:54", "text": "hybrid, 2, three, four, five. And the"}, {"start": "02:11:52", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "five he would call a hubid, which was"}, {"start": "02:11:54", "end": "02:11:59", "text": "indistinguishable."}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:12:03", "text": "Um, but like as it would go on, you"}, {"start": "02:11:59", "end": "02:12:06", "text": "would see, you know, the change get more"}, {"start": "02:12:03", "end": "02:12:10", "text": "and more human. Yeah. I I've been I've"}, {"start": "02:12:06", "end": "02:12:13", "text": "heard one thing from this that could be"}, {"start": "02:12:10", "end": "02:12:16", "text": "interesting for the people watching is"}, {"start": "02:12:13", "end": "02:12:18", "text": "what I heard was that this hybrid"}, {"start": "02:12:16", "end": "02:12:20", "text": "program, you know, a lot of people look"}, {"start": "02:12:18", "end": "02:12:24", "text": "at it very very negatively, but they"}, {"start": "02:12:20", "end": "02:12:27", "text": "there what some of it is what I've been"}, {"start": "02:12:24", "end": "02:12:30", "text": "told is that these hybrids, they're made"}, {"start": "02:12:27", "end": "02:12:31", "text": "for other planets."}, {"start": "02:12:30", "end": "02:12:34", "text": ">> So, it's like a different environment"}, {"start": "02:12:31", "end": "02:12:37", "text": "that you can't survive in. So they need"}, {"start": "02:12:34", "end": "02:12:39", "text": "to kind of mix so that you could live"}, {"start": "02:12:37", "end": "02:12:41", "text": "here. So it's almost like seeding other"}, {"start": "02:12:39", "end": "02:12:44", "text": "worlds."}, {"start": "02:12:41", "end": "02:12:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. There's I mean there's no"}, {"start": "02:12:44", "end": "02:12:47", "text": "shortage of theories."}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:47", "text": ">> That's that's a a theory that I I want"}, {"start": "02:12:47", "end": "02:12:50", "text": "to believe."}, {"start": "02:12:47", "end": "02:12:53", "text": ">> I want to believe that too. There is one"}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:56", "text": "um theory that is essentially that I"}, {"start": "02:12:53", "end": "02:12:59", "text": "thought was really cool that I read"}, {"start": "02:12:56", "end": "02:13:02", "text": "doing one of these readroughs which was"}, {"start": "02:12:59", "end": "02:13:05", "text": "um there is a defense system around the"}, {"start": "02:13:02", "end": "02:13:07", "text": "earth the spheres you know Patrick"}, {"start": "02:13:05", "end": "02:13:11", "text": "Jackson talks about it but like there's"}, {"start": "02:13:07", "end": "02:13:16", "text": "like these like this white blood cell"}, {"start": "02:13:11", "end": "02:13:18", "text": "sort of defense system that operates uh"}, {"start": "02:13:16", "end": "02:13:20", "text": "you know using maybe advanced AI or"}, {"start": "02:13:18", "end": "02:13:22", "text": "something like that that prevents other"}, {"start": "02:13:20", "end": "02:13:24", "text": "beings from coming here, that escorts"}, {"start": "02:13:22", "end": "02:13:27", "text": "them off planet, that zaps them if they"}, {"start": "02:13:24", "end": "02:13:30", "text": "get too close, type deal. And so to be"}, {"start": "02:13:27", "end": "02:13:32", "text": "able to live here, you would have to"}, {"start": "02:13:30", "end": "02:13:35", "text": "change your DNA"}, {"start": "02:13:32", "end": "02:13:36", "text": "um over time. And so you go undetected"}, {"start": "02:13:35", "end": "02:13:38", "text": "on this system,"}, {"start": "02:13:36", "end": "02:13:39", "text": ">> which I thought was, you know, pretty"}, {"start": "02:13:38", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "cool for as far as a sci-fi book goes. I"}, {"start": "02:13:39", "end": "02:13:44", "text": "mean, it'd be a great story. So,"}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:45", "text": ">> all right, I think we'll wrap it up"}, {"start": "02:13:44", "end": "02:13:47", "text": "there. Okay,"}, {"start": "02:13:45", "end": "02:13:50", "text": ">> Jason, thank you so much for sharing all"}, {"start": "02:13:47", "end": "02:13:52", "text": "that. Thank you for, you know, I mean,"}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:55", "text": "your your insights into the out-of- body"}, {"start": "02:13:52", "end": "02:13:59", "text": "experience into uh Plato and"}, {"start": "02:13:55", "end": "02:14:01", "text": "Neoplatanism and, you know, um let"}, {"start": "02:13:59", "end": "02:14:03", "text": "people know where they can find your"}, {"start": "02:14:01", "end": "02:14:05", "text": "books and where they can follow you."}, {"start": "02:14:03", "end": "02:14:07", "text": ">> The easiest place to get my books is"}, {"start": "02:14:05", "end": "02:14:08", "text": "Amazon and just look it up. Uh my new"}, {"start": "02:14:07", "end": "02:14:10", "text": "book about Atlantis is called The"}, {"start": "02:14:08", "end": "02:14:13", "text": "Shining Island. Um I have a book called"}, {"start": "02:14:10", "end": "02:14:15", "text": "Astral Experiences,"}, {"start": "02:14:13", "end": "02:14:17", "text": "uh Gates of the Anunnaki, and Astral"}, {"start": "02:14:15", "end": "02:14:20", "text": "Genesis. Um that's kind of like my"}, {"start": "02:14:17", "end": "02:14:22", "text": "evolution. Also, Chiang, I have um"}, {"start": "02:14:20", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "Egyptian posters of power book as well."}, {"start": "02:14:22", "end": "02:14:27", "text": "So, I have a number of books on Amazon."}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:29", "text": "You can find me on my website, the"}, {"start": "02:14:27", "end": "02:14:31", "text": "crystal sun.com,"}, {"start": "02:14:29", "end": "02:14:34", "text": "and that has lots of crystals. Like I"}, {"start": "02:14:31", "end": "02:14:36", "text": "said, I work with uh Orlay 23 up in"}, {"start": "02:14:34", "end": "02:14:39", "text": "Thunder Bay, Ontario here. So, I love"}, {"start": "02:14:36", "end": "02:14:41", "text": "sharing that type of stuff with people."}, {"start": "02:14:39", "end": "02:14:43", "text": ">> Wonderful. I'll leave all those links uh"}, {"start": "02:14:41", "end": "02:14:44", "text": "below. Thank you so much, Jason, for"}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:48", "text": "joining me today."}, {"start": "02:14:44", "end": "02:14:48", "text": ">> Thank you. Heat. Heat. [music]"}]

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I'm not"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "supposed to talk about the underground"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "[music] underwater stuff."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> I listened to your podcast um [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "and have for the last 6 months and"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "really enjoy it. Um wasn't going to"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "call, but I felt compelled to today"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "after listening uh to one of your"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "interviews. And so I've had several"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "things happen over my life, but probably"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "one of the most interesting ones was"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "when I was younger, 13, I had some sort"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "of visitation"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "um you know, the whole light and the"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "voice um telepathically"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "and it [music] indicated that I would go"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "through some uh events in my life that"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "would want me to call self harm. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "um but to not do it because we Laurel"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "need you for the children. Anyway, there"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "was other details in the message but all"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "that came to be true and um yeah [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "experienced a lot of loss and death and"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "obstacles a few short years later and"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "was definitely uh depressed and [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "thinking about at the tender age of 18"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "and could [music] not because of that"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "experience. um also have seen things and"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "had other [music] experiences but uh"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "just wanted to share. Thank you. Bye."}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Uh"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "today we have a very special guest here,"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "a fellow Canadian actually, which is not"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "every day that we get a Canadian in the"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "skiff. I'm joined by uh author,"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "experiencer"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "Sean Newbower."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Thank you for having me on the show. I"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "uh look forward to getting into this"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "with you."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": ">> Yeah. So, you approached me and here's"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "here's a wild thing. We were at Contact"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "in the Desert, which is a convention"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "that happens uh in Palm Springs,"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "California once a year, UFO convention."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "A lot of people there, 2,000 people. And"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "you approached me, kind of pulled me"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "aside and said, \"Hey, I've got this"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "story. Um, and it's it's a little deep."}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "It's a little complicated.\" And you"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "started getting into the story with me."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "And I was I was completely enthralled"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "because"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "your story seems to fill a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "plot holes that we have in the sort of"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "UFO sphere um with abductions with crop"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "circles with technology with culture of"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "the beings themselves and they are"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "beings they are extraterrestrials."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": ">> Yes. And so according to you and"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "according to I think uh your book mind"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "hacked as well is that there's this this"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "is one type of being that we're dealing"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "with and they have implanted you with a"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "chip"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> um you know much like the chips that"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "Whitley Strieber talks about or that Dr."}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "Roger Lear you know has um taken a lot"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "of time into looking into um and so"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "through this chip they communicate with"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": ">> Yes. And they talk to you about they"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "teach you things. They teach you"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "physics, math, tech,"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": ">> astronomy, uh philosophy, sociology,"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> physics,"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:33", "text": ">> psychology, chemistry, really"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> psychology. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:38", "text": ">> Um the foundations of the universe. uh"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "and we have deep philosophical"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "conversations about like the meaning of"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "life or uh what's the point or the most"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "objective way to think about something"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "or efficiencies in systems or like it's"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "it's it's really uh interesting stuff."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "It's not like the normal"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "um conversations that I hear a lot of"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "people have and and I'm not like a huge"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "deep diver into this. I haven't"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "investigated the UFO phenomenon in"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "depth. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:08", "text": ">> I'm not a researcher. Uh I'm I'm an"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "experiencer. I can remember sitting on"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "my deck of my house talking with one of"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "my friends about this way before this uh"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "experience happened to me. And um I was"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "telling I was telling him like I I know"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "that mathematically there has to be life"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "in the universe cuz it just makes sense"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "for that to be. But if you hold the the"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "speed of light as a barrier in the"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "universe, which we can't break right now"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "with our current physics,"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> then it's not possible for them to come"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "here because like what are you going to"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "pack a lunch and then travel for like 12"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "years and get to Earth to do what? To"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "then like look around and just like"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "learn about this species maybe. But it"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "doesn't explain why they've been here"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "for so long. Right? So it but for me at"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "the beginning I didn't I wasn't a"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "believer. It took this experience and"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "the validation that I received from the"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "first person perspective of this"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "interaction to really convince me that"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "it was real."}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> So you were in Mexico. This was 15 years"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "ago when this happened in Cancun. You"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "were having a good time. you're out"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "there with your girlfriend"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": ">> at the time and you were just kind of"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "celebrating."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:21", "text": ">> Um, take us through the initial"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "experience and then how that led to the"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "communications that you say you're"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "having with these beings."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Yeah, sure. So, we're we go to Mexico as"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "Canadians. It's nice in the winter time"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "to get away from the snow."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": ">> Right. Like you want to get somewhere"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "warm and get that sun on your skin and"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "and and be delicious. So, um, we're"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "enjoying ourselves, having went down"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "with my best friend, my my new"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "girlfriend. We're having a great time."}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "Um, and and we're having a really, uh,"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "good time in the sun and laughing so"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "much that our that our cheeks hurt. Um,"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "and they decided that they wanted to go"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "away from the resort and go to, um, an"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "outside restaurant. And so, they decided"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "to go to Bubblegum Fish Factory and in"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "Cancun. and I'm not a huge fan of fish."}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "Uh, growing up in the north, fresh fish"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "wasn't really easy to get. Um, and so I"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "don't really enjoy it. So, when the food"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "came, I got up from the table, excuse"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "myself, and I went outside to get some"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "air. I didn't have my wallet with me or"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "cuz I was just going out for just a"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "brief moment while they ate and then my"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "intention was to come back inside. So, I"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "step outside the restaurant and I'm"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "looking around. I'm like, I got a couple"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "seconds to kill. look across the street"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "and I see these um red and blue lights"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "flashing. I'm like, \"God, what?\""}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:38", "text": ">> Police car."}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:40", "text": ">> Like a police car. And I'm like, I"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "wonder what that is. And I go to take a"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "couple steps and then I the whole world"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "went black. Like the place before death."}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "Like it was gone. And then I come back."}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "I come too and I only have one memory in"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "between in between"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "the the lights and walking down the"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "street is I'm trying to take money out"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "of a bank machine with my room key cuz"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "that was all I had in my pocket."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "Um few moments later I come to you and"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "I'm walking down the sidewalk and I"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "don't know where I am. I don't even know"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "I'm in Mexico at this point. I don't"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "know anything about anything. I'm just"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "looking for help. So I look off to the"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "left and I see a person. So, I start"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "walking towards this person. And as I'm"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "walking towards this person, more and"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "more of the universe is coming back into"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "my my ability to perceive it. Um, and so"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "as I'm growing more uh capacity of"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "consciousness, I I walk up to this guy"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "and I can't talk. My mouth won't work."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "So, I reach into my pocket and I pull"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "out the only thing I have is my room key"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "and I hand it to him and he's like, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "senior a long way.\" And he points down"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "the road and I'm like, \"Great.\" So, I"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "get on the road and I walk because I"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "have no money for a cab. I can't even"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "take a bus. It's like dark outside. Um,"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "and I don't know what's going on. So, I"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "start walking down the road and just as"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "I'm getting back to the hotel, the sun"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "is rising. And when I get into the room,"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "I sit down. I pour myself a tub. My body"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "aches like crazy. Um, and I I pour a"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "bath and I watched we had one of those"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "really nice hotel rooms where you could"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "see the right on the ocean. Watch the"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "sun come up. Got out of the bath and"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "went to bed. I get up in the morning and"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "my girlfriend's like, \"Where the hell"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "were you?\" And I'm like, \"I don't know."}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "I don't know where I went.\""}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "Go down for breakfast and my friends are"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "like, \"Where the [ __ ] were you? Like, we"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "looked for you for hours."}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "The balls on this guy to just get up"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "from the table and leave. Like, you"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "could have you we called you. We"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "searched around. We couldn't find you.\""}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "Didn't think much of it. Like it was a"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "really abnormal experience to have"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "happen to me, but like I didn't have any"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "marks on my body. It's not like somebody"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "took a kidney. It was"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:50", "text": ">> weird."}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> Did you suspect that you've been"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "drugged?"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": ">> Can we talk about how weird it is that I"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "have to tell complete strangers, please"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "don't put my address on the internet?"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "That feels like something that should"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "already be covered. Like, hey, can you"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "not sell where I sleep to complete"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "strangers that I've never met? Well,"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "apparently no, because there are"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "companies called data brokers whose"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "entire business is collecting your"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "personal information and selling it."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "Your name, your phone number, your"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "address, old addresses, people related"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "to you. It's like LinkedIn but for"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "stalkers. And that's why I use Incogn."}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "Incogn data brokers for you and requests"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "that your personal information be"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "removed from their databases. So instead"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "of me spending my weekends emailing 42"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "companies I've never heard of, Incogn"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "does the work and keeps following up."}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "And if you want to take back some"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "control over your data, go to"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "incogn.com/eria52"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "and use code area52 to save 60% on an"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "annual plan because your [music] privacy"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "should not be declassified. Yeah, I I"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "thought I would I had been drugged"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "because as I"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> because the the the hotel room key thing"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "at the ATM to me signals like, oh, you"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "were with some people that were like"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "drugging you, trying to get you to pull"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "money out for them, but you had your"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "hotel key and you you didn't really know"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "what was going on,"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:16", "text": ">> but all I had was my hotel key."}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:19", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:22", "text": ">> And and I I vaguely remember someone"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "interfering with that interaction. Uh"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "maybe a a security guard or something. I"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "mean, I've gone on Google Earth and I"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "went back to Mexico and I looked at the"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "area and I can there this one image of"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "these two silver escalators that go up"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "and these plants on the right hand side."}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": ">> And at the top of those escalators,"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "there's an ATM in an old mall, an"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "outdoor mall."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> That's the one."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": ">> And that's the that's the only image I"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "have of my abduction. So, it's it's a"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "little bit lackluster. But the really"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "interesting stuff is what h happens"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "next. So, I go back home and my friends"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "think it's hilarious that I missed a day"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:11:58", "text": ">> that you were potentially drugged,"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "kidnapped."}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:01", "text": ">> It turns into a story, right? You go"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "out, you're like, \"Hey, why don't you"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "tell everyone about that time you like,"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "you know, uh took off for a day in"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "Mexico?\" And I'm like, \"I not, you"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "know,\" and they're taking the piss out"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "of me. But the really messed up thing is"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "is I started hearing um voices and"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "I didn't know what to do. I thought,"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "\"Okay, I've gone off the deep end,"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "right?\" So, I did what any normal person"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "would do. I went to a psychiatrist"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "and started talking to him. But the"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "voices weren't doing what the"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "psychiatrist thought voices should do,"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "and definitely not what I thought voices"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "should do, is they started taking the"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "piss out of me. They started asking me"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "like, \"Why would you drive your dog to"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "the dog park to go for a walk? I can see"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "in your fridge. I can see you eat meat."}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "Why do you eat meat? Commanding me to go"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "on the internet and look at the Canadian"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "budget when it dropped. Um asking me how"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "often I play pay my employees. Um how do"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "I decide how much I pay them? Um all of"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "these really weird questions. Questions"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "to to problems or questions to"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "situations that I already knew the"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "answer to. And I started challenging"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "them like trying to do math like what's"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "the square root of pi? Let me pump it in"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "the calculator so that I can validate"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "that you exist. But they started"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "teaching me then they started teaching"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "me stuff. And so before we get there um"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "these voices are they auditory are they"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "audible voices or are they"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "you know what I mean? Are are these like"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "actual male or female voices with"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "English words?"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": ">> Yes. And but it comes with um it comes"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "with a picture. So they they communicate"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "in a language of memes. And so there's a"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "visual aspect to this. And if I close my"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "eyes, it can be in inside my head,"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "inside a space that opens up inside your"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "head. Or I could look at a wall and it"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "could be on a wall and they they've"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "learned how to project it onto a wall."}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "So when you say memes, now obviously"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "people are going to hear that and be"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "like, \"Oh, this guy's joking.\" Like I"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "mean, were they communicating memes?"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "He's sending you memes. Um, but what do"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "you mean by memes? It's like a visual"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "language. So if you're trying to um"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:19", "text": ">> the memes is an analogy."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:22", "text": ">> An my earth bridge to"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": ">> it's not actual like the the the troll"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "frog or anything like it's not that type"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "of meme."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": ">> No, no, no, no. It's none of our memes."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "Like um if someone is not very smart,"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "there would be a pipe of light and then"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "the light would then be closed off to"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "just a very small dribble because"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "intelligence is light. Your brain is"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "reflecting light all over the place. And"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "so to refle to imply that someone is"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "stupid,"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:46", "text": ">> say they're dim"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:47", "text": ">> to say that they're dim, [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "right? Um so that would be the type of"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "meme or a threedimensional graph of how"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "something would change like um using a"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "bell curve to represent a leadership"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "model, but then putting a little dip in"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "it to say that the leader is stupid. Um"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "so they're they're three-dimensional"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "objects in space, but they're also"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "three-dimensional objects in language"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "because a picture can be a thousand"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "words. And so they communicate these"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "beautiful ideas um in their virtual"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "reality space. And when she was first"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "teaching me,"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": ">> you said she"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": ">> she it was a female voice that first"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "came to me uh and talking to me. And um"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "when I was learning their their"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "language, she would try to communicate a"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "complicated"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "um word like maybe desire. And then when"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "I got the word right, she would blink it"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "twice. And she would do that multiple"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "times, multiple times until I learned"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "how to read their language. Um,"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "and during that process, I learned a"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "whole bunch of stuff. They started"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "teaching me all kinds of really"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "interesting things. I remember um one"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "time early on in the interaction. Um,"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "and and they like to try to um brainwash"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "people. They love trying to convince"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "people of stuff that's not real. That's"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "one of their favorite things that they"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "can do. Um, and so they were trying to"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "sell me and they like to use religion as"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "a uh lever to induce belief in people."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "And one of the problems with me and I"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "think one of the reasons that separates"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "me from different people is I'm a true"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "atheist. Never believed in God. I don't"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "believe in God. I don't believe in an"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "afterlife. I don't believe in anything."}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "I think where the place before death is"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "that space where you weren't born and"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "then when you die you go there and they"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "tried to sell me multiple religions"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "throughout my interaction. Um one of"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "them being Hinduism another one being uh"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "Buddhism uh and they tried multiple"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "things Christianity."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": ">> What do you mean they tried multiple"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "things like this is um"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:51", "text": ">> with through visions?"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:52", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:54", "text": ">> So like"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:58", "text": ">> when when do you get these?"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:17:00", "text": ">> Um it depends. Right now it happens all"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "the time. I talk to them all the time."}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:02", "text": ">> What's What's all the time?"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:03", "text": ">> Like all the time. Like anytime I want"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "to."}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:06", "text": ">> Really? Yeah. Right now?"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:07", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:08", "text": ">> Okay. How can is there any way we can"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "test this?"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:14", "text": ">> Um there is, but it takes um it takes a"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "setup. I have an open"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:18", "text": ">> Can we like ask you a question or"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "something? Is it like channeling?"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": ">> Um I mean you could ask a question. I"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "don't know if they would answer."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:24", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:25", "text": ">> Because they don't decide. They're their"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "own entity. they they decide if they're"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "going to participate or not. But my"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "girlfriend will interact with them"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "sometimes cuz she's very"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": ">> um open to all of this and accepting of"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "all of this. She's been a great"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "supporter in in my life and she's seen"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": ">> uh in real time the effects of this and"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "seen the interactions and the the"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "electronic harassment. And so for her"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "it's very real like it is to me. Like"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "it's not a question of maybe. It's like"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "no, this is for sure happening."}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:54", "text": ">> But it's for sure a question of maybe to"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "everyone listening. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": ">> Um, and that's what I want to kind of"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "jump over somehow."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:05", "text": ">> Um, you you all based on the information"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "that you were given, you're also um, you"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "know, not to jump too far ahead, but you"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "you you were given instructions on how"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "to build something."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:17", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I've not exactly"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "instructions on how to build something."}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "I've been taught. So through our"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "conversations there is um"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "there's an idea uh I can't remember what"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "it's called when you get kidnapped and"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "you uh get this familiar association"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "with uh your abductor."}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:43", "text": ">> Um but that can go in two directions."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "And so there a a familiarity"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "presented itself or became um"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "through this familiarity we would have"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "conversations. We would um have deep"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "philos philosophical conversations. It"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "would start with them taking the piss"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "out of me about how dumb this leader is"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "and how dumb that situation is or how"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "dumb it is for us to do XYZ. And then we"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "would get into a philosophical or"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "sociological conversation about it. And"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "I would defend our systems and our"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "methods trying to like explain how it"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "works. And then and then through that"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "like being in a room with someone who's"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "really smart, I would learn"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:27", "text": ">> because I would be wrong. And so then"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "they would teach me stuff directly. They"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "taught me um lots of stuff as the"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "experience went on because it's been"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "like 15 years. Um and so"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "it's it's been a it's been a journey."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "They didn't start off teaching me stuff."}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "They started off just trying to to get"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "me to believe in a religion so that they"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "could monitor me, make fun of me. Um"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "they talked openly about like uh there's"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "that movie um where they uh have the"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "award zombie killer of the year um where"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "they the big piano like falls on"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "somebody."}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:07", "text": ">> Zombie Land."}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": ">> Zombie Land. Yeah. And they they kill"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "somebody with the piano. They have a"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "similar kind of thing but not killing"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "people but like brainwashes. So they"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "convince someone that they're talking to"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "their dog and that becomes a a canned"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "experience that they then send home and"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "everybody laughs. Or they'll convince"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:27", "text": ">> Well, so they're Wait, they're they"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "actually they have humor."}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:31", "text": ">> Oh, they have they're they're some of"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "the funniest people I've spent time"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "with. Their ability to uh uh come up"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "with a quick"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:42", "text": ">> uh piss take or make fun of something or"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "like a meme, their memes are hilarious"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "in real time. like I'll I have to stop"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:49", "text": "myself in public from laughing out loud"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "because we'll be having some great"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "conversation about who knows what and"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "then I'll just like bust a gut laughing."}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:57", "text": "Um and I've shared some with my"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "girlfriend and she thinks they're"}, {"start": "00:20:57", "end": "00:21:00", "text": "they're funny too."}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:01", "text": ">> Okay, so let's"}, {"start": "00:21:00", "end": "00:21:03", "text": ">> let's slow down here. This is a lot of"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:04", "text": "information for everybody and and I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "sure you understand this."}, {"start": "00:21:04", "end": "00:21:09", "text": ">> Absolutely. Um, you know, this is,"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "you know, the way that the audience and"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "myself even uh are going to perceive"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "this is one of two ways. Obviously, way"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "number one is, holy [ __ ] this guy's"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:23", "text": "talking to aliens and we're getting"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "firstirhand knowledge. And the second"}, {"start": "00:21:23", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "side of this coin is"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "something else is at play."}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": ">> Mhm. Whether it's"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "I don't know whether it's someone"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "messing with you or some entity messing"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "with you. And I don't mean entity in the"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:40", "text": "extraterrestrial sense, but like CIA or"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "like that type of stuff. You know,"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "they're holding an MK Ultra trial today"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "at the they're doing a congress a"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "congressional hearing on MK Ultra right"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "now as we speak. Um,"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "and there have been experiments"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:59", "text": "done to people through the MK Ultra"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "program which is in line with a lot of"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "this stuff which um, you know, trying to"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "convince them of things. They they even"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "had uh I remember they were trying to"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "when they were working with this"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "magician John Mhulland in the 50s, they"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "were planning on how to sort of usurp or"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "overthrow uh the Cuban government and"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "Fidel Castro and and by undermining his"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "power by projecting like the mother Mary"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "in the sky and there were all sorts of"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "wild fantastical things but you know"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "leave it up to them to come up with"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "these you know cruel jokes. Has it ever"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "crossed your mind that that might be"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "happening?"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": ">> Absolutely. I've been open to any"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "solution for the entire time that this"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "has gone on. Um but like I I went to see"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "multiple psychiatrists. Um"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:49", "text": ">> Yeah, you showed me the papers."}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:51", "text": ">> Yeah. They they they're like there's"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "nothing there's nothing wrong with you."}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "Like you're a normal balanced"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "individual. Um but when it first started"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "happening to me, um I'm I'm an atheist."}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "I'm a scientist. I want to understand"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "what's going on with me. I'm not into"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "the woo at all. Um, and so when it"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "started happening, I took it from the"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "frame that I was crazy. I attacked it"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "like I was crazy. I thought I was crazy."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "And through this experience, I've"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "gathered enough evidence objectively to"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "support the fact that it's not. Um,"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:24", "text": ">> and that's what drove you to go get"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "psychiatric help and evaluations, which"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "you've done multiple times."}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:30", "text": ">> Multiple times. You had 12 sessions with"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "one doctor and then three sessions with"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "another correct and they've all cleared"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "you of any"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:36", "text": ">> uh psychological trouble. They they did"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "say that you did deal with some"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "traumatic event."}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:41", "text": ">> Uh but um and there was a concussion"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "involved as well. I think I read"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:45", "text": ">> a car accident."}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:48", "text": ">> A car accident. Yeah. Um but they said"}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "that no, you're completely cleared of"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "any, you know, there's there's nothing"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "wrong with you."}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, so when it first started"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "happening to me, I would have my stress"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "would be squeezed at work way over"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "amplified. And I started having these"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "like stomach problems. And that's what"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "led me down this road, which is why I"}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "started trying to figure out what was"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "wrong with me because it was"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "uncomfortable. And so I needed a motive"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "to um deal with it."}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:19", "text": ">> And so I remember one time I'm driving"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "home from work and I swerved in my car."}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:23", "text": "Just a quick little move. there was a"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "dog or something was on the road and all"}, {"start": "00:24:23", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "of the stuff that I was going through"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "waned like it just was gone and then a"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "half a second later it was back and I"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "was like wait a second and that was the"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "moment that I saw the first [ __ ] in the"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "armor. Um because it didn't make sense"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "to me that it would just suddenly dip."}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "So, okay, great. I'm gathering"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:48", "text": "information. and I'm taking my dog for a"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "walk in the park and I go underneath the"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "bridge and it attenuates. I come out"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "from the bridge, it comes up. I go back"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "under the bridge, it attenuates."}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "Interesting. I go to the pool, randomly"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "happen to go to the pool, dive down to"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "the very bottom of the pool, the"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "signal's almost gone. My stomach feels"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "good. My head's not buzzing. Everything"}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "feels amazing. So, I come back up. Very"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "interesting. I go to my house. I go to"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "the basement. And I go to the four"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "corners of my basement to check to see"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "if it's coming from the side cuz the"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "concrete should block it. The concrete"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "bridge was blocking it. The concrete"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "should block it."}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "So I go to the corners. Nothing"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "underneath concrete works great. So I"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "sell my house and I move into a"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "condominium with multiple layers of"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "concrete above me. And that move from my"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "house into that building is what stopped"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "all of the negative aspects of this. Cuz"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "we hear of people who have been abducted"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "and some people have got really"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "wonderful amazing things to say and some"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "people have really terrible and horrible"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "things to say about their experience and"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:56", "text": "what they've gone through. But because"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "my experience was negative, it drove me"}, {"start": "00:25:56", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "to find answers. And because I I was"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "able to isolate that it was coming from"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:05", "text": "above and I was also able to isolate"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "that it was happening um that it was"}, {"start": "00:26:05", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "following me around by I could pump the"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "brakes in the car and and after that"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "swerve I started messing around. So I"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "pump the brakes in the car and the"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "signal would go away for a second and"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "then it would go away for a second and"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "then after a while that wouldn't work"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "anymore. I'm laying at home at night and"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "I'm trying to sleep and they're buzzing"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:26", "text": "my head and this is still back in the"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "wooden house. And so I bought one of"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "those um EEG headbands. It's called a"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "muse. And I put it on my head while this"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "is happening and a witnesses to witness"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "all this stuff that's going on. And the"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "amplitude of the EEG is outside the"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:41", "text": "level of what the machine can read. And"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:43", "text": "that not by like a little bit by like"}, {"start": "00:26:41", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "four or five times what the machine is"}, {"start": "00:26:43", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "designed to read. So, how does the how"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "does how does my skin surface of my skin"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "get that charged? It doesn't make any"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "sense. So, something else has to be"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "going on and it's in and it's in"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "alignment with the with the buzzing"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "that's going on in my head and the"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "suffering and the stuff that I'm going"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "through at the time. So, it's it becomes"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "a linear thing. So, then I learned I"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "learned that there's a signal"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:14", "text": "interacting with me. I learned that it's"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "interacting with my brain. I went to the"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "hospital and I'm like, \"Okay, like let's"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "see if there's something wrong with me.\""}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "So, I checked myself in and uh they did"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "blood tests, like they did the whole"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "battery blood. They did every blood test"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "that you can find to do and everything"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "came back clean. They put me in a in um"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "a professional uh EEG machine and I fell"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "asleep. The signal went off, my stomach"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "felt great, and I went to sleep. So, I"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "knew that something was interacting with"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "me intelligently. They can turn it on,"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "they can turn it off. They know that"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "we're going to test for it. They don't"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "want us to be able to find it. That's"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "something that I've heard from multiple"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "abduction witnesses where"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "they would think about"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:06", "text": "getting their implant removed"}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "and they would, you know, book a date"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "with a doctor and say, \"Okay, on"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "Wednesday, and it's Monday, on"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "Wednesday, I'm going to get this"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "removed.\" Well, on Tuesday, they would"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "have missing time. And then on"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "Wednesday, there's nothing left to"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "remove. And this happens with uh"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "pregnancies as well with um ladies who"}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "report that they wanted to get an"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "abortion"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "uh from from a ghost pregnancy. They"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "shouldn't be pregnant. They're old, you"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "know, too old to be pregnant or didn't"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "have intercourse and they're showing all"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "the signs of pregnancy and then when"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "they call the doctor and take a take an"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "appointment, they have missing time"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:45", "text": ">> and then it goes away."}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:49", "text": ">> Um so that's not completely unheard of."}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:50", "text": ">> No. And throughout my experience, I'm"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "going through all this stuff and I have"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": "a psychiatrist who I'm going to see and"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "I'm talking about all this stuff and I'm"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "telling them all these anomalies. Um, I"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "have electronic harassment following me"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "around. People are logging into my"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "stuff, CIA level stuff."}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": ">> Yeah, I've seen that. And for for the"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "audience at home, you know, a lot of"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "that is personal information, which we"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:13", "text": "won't show. Um, but you there were"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "several times where like your computer"}, {"start": "00:29:13", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "was logged into a friend's Facebook page"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:20", "text": "which you don't have access to. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "then the timestamps didn't make sense"}, {"start": "00:29:20", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "like when you"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:24", "text": ">> when you caught it."}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:27", "text": ">> The timestamps were different and you"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "you have receipts of all this and you"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "texted your friend,"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:32", "text": ">> hey, did you log into my computer? And"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:34", "text": "he was like, no, I had no idea what"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "you're talking about. And uh and so you"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "have this evidence."}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:38", "text": ">> I have piles of it"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:41", "text": ">> that there is something."}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:43", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I got MIT physics training"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "data dumped into my computer on my D"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "drive. I came home from uh work one day"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "and my D drive was full. A little red."}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "It was red. I'm like that's like I was"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "at work all day. What the hell? So, I"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "look and I take it all out and I"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "[snorts] bet a copy of it and I started"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "uploading it into the uh GPTs and it's"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "and there's like hacking programs and um"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "and in one of the files they're all"}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "sequential. There's like 22,000 files in"}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "my uh in my D drive and they're all"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:15", "text": "sequential. They go up by by two numbers"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "and they're copies of each other. So,"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "inside each file there's two copies and"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "then so I just started random. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "how do you go through 22,000 files? he"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "can't. So, I just started grabbing some"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "and uploading them. And one of them it"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:29", "text": "said, \"This is MIT physics training"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "data.\" Uh, and and that you should not"}, {"start": "00:30:29", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "have this on your computer. And I was"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "like, \"Yeah, no kidding. I have pictures"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "of people I've never met.\" Um, little"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:39", "text": ">> Yeah. on your phone. And"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:43", "text": ">> yeah, little pixies or or little um um"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "uh files uh called like alien lightning."}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "Um all kinds of stuff that you could"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "that would be contextual when you have a"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "frame. Um, but just piles and piles of"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "stuff. I have a picture um on my I have"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "a picture somewhere where I've got I"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "laid out all of my hard drives and all"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "my computers and all my phones and all"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "my stuff that's been hacked through cell"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "phone providers through countries. I"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "changed like five or six different cell"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "phone providers. I changed countries. I"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "changed my home supplier. I deleted my"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "Google accounts. I deleted all my social"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "media accounts. Remade them over and"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "over and over and over again. uh trying"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "to get rid of this. One time I went to"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "the to the mall and I had the guy make"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "me a a burner phone and I didn't tell"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "I'm like just put a name in, just put a"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "address in, just do it. I don't even"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "want to know the phone number. And it"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "took him 3 days to break the phone and I"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "had no knowledge of what it was. So it"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "objectively this is some random phone"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "that belongs to someone who doesn't"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "exist. Why would anyone penetrate it? It"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "doesn't even make sense. The motive to"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "penetrate that phone is zero. right"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "there. So, the only way that there's a"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "motive to penetrate that phone is"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "through me and through my first person"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "because I didn't even know about it. So,"}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "really really interesting um"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "um evidence"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:02", "text": ">> to support the electronic harassment."}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:04", "text": ">> You you brought this to the authorities."}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:08", "text": ">> Yeah, I did. I have I have three police"}, {"start": "00:32:04", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "files um over three different times. Um,"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "and when I talked to the Mounties, cuz"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "we're in Canada, the professional who"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "came in who handles it the last time I I"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "talked to somebody, he's like, \"I've"}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "been doing this for 25 years. I've never"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "seen anything even close to what you"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "have, and that was only one file. I only"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "gave him like a third of the stuff"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "because it was only the stuff relevant"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "since the last two files.\" So there's a"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "whole bunch of objective"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "um evidence to support my situation and"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "what's going on. So something something"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "is for sure that can't be countered that"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "something is happening to me. Like it"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "something is definitely going on because"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "I have"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:52", "text": ">> whether it's Yeah. Whether it's like a"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "an agency or these"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "you know"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "extraterrestrials with a sense of humor."}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "I want to talk a little bit more about"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "before we move on to these entities"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "because you have for me what's, you"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "know, and and I'm sure for a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "listeners, what's really fun [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "in all of this is that you do have like"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "a clear vivid picture of who these"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "entities are,"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:21", "text": ">> what the purpose is, where they're from,"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "why they're here, like all the answers"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "that all of us have been seeking in"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "terms of uh extraterrestrial engagement."}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "and you seem to have all these answers"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:35", "text": "um really neatly laid out, which I'm"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "excited to get into because I'm a big"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "fan of lore when it comes to this stuff"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "and a lot of people seem to provide uh"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "these plot hole filling um compartments"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "of of lore uh to explain everything. I"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "had someone here, Eric Nansteel, who's a"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "uh you know, he had his own theories"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "about what happened to their planet and"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "why they're here now. And then there's,"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "you know, um, somebody named Michael"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "Horn who, you know, spreads sort of the,"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "uh, the story, uh, of Billy Meyer and"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "his contact reports. And everybody has,"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "everybody seems to have their own brand"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "of"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "this is actually what's going on."}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:17", "text": ">> And so I'm really excited to hear yours."}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:20", "text": ">> Um, but before that, yes."}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:22", "text": ">> Can we talk about the prototype?"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:24", "text": ">> Sure. Um,"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:25", "text": ">> so you're you have you've gathered this"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "information from them."}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:32", "text": ">> Their their teachings or what have you"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "and you're starting to replicate or"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "build"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:38", "text": "uh something based on their technology."}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "I have several different uh prototype"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "designs that I'm currently working on um"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "putting to physical and putting into"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "physical existence to then test and"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "validate uh through multiple different"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "versions or different uh ideas of their"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "technology that really bridges the gap"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "between where we're at and where they're"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "at."}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:00", "text": ">> And what's what is that? What is that"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:03", "text": "like?"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:07", "text": ">> What bridges the gap? One of them is"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "their uh antenna, their ability to"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "manipulate light down to the photon. So"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "they can control a photon not only"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "individually as a photon the way the"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "photon exists, but they can control it"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "in the in in its in its planer"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "existence. So they can uh they can"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "polarize it. So they can send out a a a"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "Y plane polarized"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "uh photon single photon of any frequency"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "of light that they want to which is how"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "they're able to disappear from radar and"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "they're able to disappear from sight and"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "they're able to disappear from whatever"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "because the surface of their ship has"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "got all of these little tiny"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "programmable scale antennas on it in"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "three dimension that allow them to"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "manipulate light in all of its form. So"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "they could you so they can they can"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:54", "text": "control its phase and its polarity. So"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "our radar systems which send the signal"}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "out and then ask for a reflection. They"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "can control their reflections like it"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "controls its rebounds. It everything"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "that comes into the thing gets absorbed"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "and then they can they can send out"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "whatever they want to. And uh I think a"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "lot of people understand that as"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "cloaking and the only way you can"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "achieve cloaking is if you absorb all"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "light and then you control what comes"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:19", "text": ">> Uh and they've achieved that state. And"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "that's how they're uh able to do a lot"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "of the illusions that they like to do."}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "Some stuff is real. Absolutely. Some"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "stuff that they do is illusions. It's"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "really easy if you can control. Imagine"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "if you had cloaking and you wanted to"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "fly into a mountain or make it look like"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:35", "text": "you were going to fly into a mountain."}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "It would be really easy. Especially as a"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "magician, you can appreciate that."}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:38", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:41", "text": ">> Right. So, you could create that"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "illusion and through sensor data and"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "through all kinds of stuff"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:45", "text": ">> disappearing or"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:47", "text": ">> by just disappearing. And to anybody who"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "wasn't aware that that was possible,"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "yeah, that would look like magic."}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:57", "text": ">> That like the the the tic tac that um"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "was it Fraver? Colonel Fraver was it? Um"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "uh who the pilot saw this tic tac sort"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "of appear and then reappear elsewhere?"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "Like how do we know that that's not two"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "tic tacs simultaneously appearing and"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "reappearing instead of just one? Is that"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "kind of what you're saying?"}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:15", "text": ">> Exactly. So they they love to um they"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "love to be trickster. They love they"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "have a sense of humor. Their sense of"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "humor is probably stronger than ours. Um"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "they like to have fun and make fun of"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "things and do things that are funny. And"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "to them dominating the government or"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "having them all have a you know imagine"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:38", "text": "the president is calling um the leader"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "of uh China. I'm not sure if he's a I"}, {"start": "00:37:38", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "don't know what his title is, but he's"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:42", "text": "calling it the leader of China and"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "they're talking about this false"}, {"start": "00:37:42", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "narrative that they've managed to"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:49", "text": "create. So, our highest power is now"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "having this discussion about their"}, {"start": "00:37:49", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "brainwash. And they think that that's"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "hilarious because we're not smart enough"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "to figure out what's going on. And so,"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:58", "text": "they love to flex that higher level"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "intelligence to each other as a"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "validator to say like, \"Look at how"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:04", "text": "smart we are.\" We do the same thing. We"}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "have that same similar culture where we"}, {"start": "00:38:04", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "like to associate or validate with each"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "other our success like we're really cool"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "and that kid's not is something that we"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "see present itself all over the place."}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "So it's very easy um for us to see that"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "as a behavioral"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "um path [clears throat] for another"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "entity to evolve on another planet"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "because it's a very social thing to do."}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:33", "text": ">> So okay let's get into it. Where are"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "they from?"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:38", "text": ">> So, they left um a star map and and and"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:39", "text": ">> this is them telling you this, by the"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "way. All this information that you're"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "telling me,"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:42", "text": ">> they told me for sure."}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:44", "text": ">> And and they're allowing you to talk"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "about this somehow."}, {"start": "00:38:44", "end": "00:38:47", "text": ">> Now, they're allowing me to talk about"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "this. The reason that it's been 15 years"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "is cuz for a long time they they weren't"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "allowing me to through my electronic"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "harassment. They were blocking me from"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:39:00", "text": "reaching out to anyone. Um, they did all"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "kinds of filtering on what information I"}, {"start": "00:39:00", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "was allowed to get out, which is why I"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "opened you open this conversation at"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "Contact in the Desert because a first"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "person conversation can't be interfered"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "with."}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:14", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:16", "text": ">> Um, but in our conversations, they told"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "me where they're from, and they're not"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "they're not shy about any of this stuff."}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:23", "text": "They if you once you know how their"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "world works and how to read their"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "language, their three-dimensional"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "language, everything is just out there"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "for you to see and interpret. So for"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:34", "text": "example, the pyramids of Giza."}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:36", "text": ">> Well, before we get to the pyramids,"}, {"start": "00:39:34", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "where are they from? I want to start I"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "want to start with their origin because"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:41", "text": ">> that's the key."}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:45", "text": ">> Oh, okay. That's the key is the pyramids"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "of Giza were positioned on earth at the"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "center of all land mass"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "but also at the uh longitude or latitude"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "whatever it is I can't remember um of"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "the speed of light. The speed of light"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "is a function of the meter. You cannot"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "understand the speed of light or write"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "it as a as a speed without the meter."}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "The the Egyptians very clearly"}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "understood what the meter was. And the"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "meter is the distance around our planet"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "divided by the the amount of the"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "distance uh light travels in a second."}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "So the speed of light is encoded into"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "the pyramids. And there's you can do a"}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:28", "text": "huge deep dive on how incredibly"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "mathematically"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "um relevant the pyramids are. There's"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "lots of people that do huge deep dives"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:39", "text": "into it. So, it's an intentional object"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "and it's a star map. And I think what a"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "lot of people are missing is"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "they're they're they're positioned on"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "the ground to look like Orion's belt,"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "but Orion's belt is backwards."}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:51", "text": ">> Yeah. It's kind of reflecting Orion's"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "belt."}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:54", "text": ">> It's reflecting Orion's belt. But if you"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "live in space and you're a creature in"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "space, if you line up Orion's belt"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "on top of those, so if you look from"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "behind Orion's belt and you look at the"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "planet, you see that the the pyramid of"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "Giza is a star map that goes to their"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "planet and it's time locked. There's the"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "one dimension that on the summer"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:21", "text": "solstice at the rise of Leo, um, you can"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "only see the the the what would it be?"}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "the the fifth dimension of the pyramid,"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "that little indent. On that day, on that"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "day, when everything is lined up, it's a"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:33", "text": "star map. And the the Queen's Chamber is"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:36", "text": "a representation, a meme if you will, of"}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "through the void to around a corner and"}, {"start": "00:41:36", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "down back to their planet. And so, it's"}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "a whole"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "star map of where they came from."}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:48", "text": ">> And what is their planet? Do we know?"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:49", "text": ">> Do we don't know the name?"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:51", "text": ">> I don't know the name. I don't know how"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "to"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "reverse. I'm not I'm not an astronomer."}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "I don't know how to go after that data"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "to validate that and andor how to"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "calculate the distances of what they"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "are. But"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:08", "text": ">> where they're from doesn't really matter"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "because nobody lives there anymore."}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:12", "text": ">> So finding that place would just be like"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "finding fingerprints, right? It would be"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:17", "text": "like uh um finding evidence of someone"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "existing before. But they'll just tell"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "us way before we have a chance to ever"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "go there because they're here. They're"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "here. It doesn't make sense for them to"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "be interacting with us unless they're"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:30", "text": ">> So why are they not home anymore? Why"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "are they not at their planet?"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:37", "text": ">> So they told me, and this is just a"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "natural progression of logic for any"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "species. Um, a species needs energy. We"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "use energy. We use hydrocarbons. We use"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "wind energy. We use dams and"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "electromagnetics to generate uh majority"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:53", "text": "of what we use for power."}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "But at a certain point, you run out of"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:57", "text": "hydrocarbons and your technology"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "advances and you figure out how to push"}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "two atoms together to create helium. You"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "push two hydrogen atoms together to"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "create helium. And you eventually, we're"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "working on it right now, you discover"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "fusion. But fusion isn't the beall"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:15", "text": "endall. It's just basically hydrocarbons"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "on another scale because every time you"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "take hydrogen and you push it together,"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "you never have hydrogen again. Now you"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "have helium. So it's a non-renewable"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "resource. So then the question gets"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "floored and we will have this question"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "floored at some point in our journey."}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "Where are we going to get the hydrogen"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:35", "text": "from? Are we going to take it from the"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "ocean? Are we going to lose a foot, 2"}, {"start": "00:43:35", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "feet, 3 feet, 10 feet, and then go, hey,"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "where are we going to get the hydrogen"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "from? Maybe. Are we going to have the"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "foresight to see? Who knows?"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "But at some point, you're going to have"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "to go and get hydrogen from somewhere."}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "So then you start looking to space."}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "And in space,"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "planets, some really special planets"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "called gas giants have done the work for"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "And so Jupiter is a if you use the"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "earth's ocean which is an astronomical"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "amount of volume right like imagine the"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "whole all the water on the earth as a"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "unit a single unit"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:17", "text": ">> Jupiter has half a million earth oceans"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "of liquid hydrogen on it that is enough"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "energy to last us I asked grock to do"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "the math and I think it's 1* 10 the 34th"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "power"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:26", "text": ">> wow"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:28", "text": ">> years at our current energy rate"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "assuming a 50% % burn rate on fusion"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "like a like if you can get 50% of the"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "energy out of a fusion reaction which is"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "like astronomical when you start looking"}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "at the universe as a space fairing"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "species like the conversations I had"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "like the astronomy that they taught me"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "all the stars in the galaxy are not"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "they're not all orbiting at the same"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:53", "text": "speed"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "to 70% of stars are in binary or trinary"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:56", "text": "systems which means that eventually they"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "catch up to each other and then they get"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "locked"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "And when they get locked, the planets,"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:03", "text": "there's a a a TV show, Threebody"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:05", "text": "Problem. We haven't solved the"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "three-body problem. There is no solution"}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "to the three-body problem. That show"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "happens to be about aliens. Coincidence?"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "Probably not. But so if if the planets"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "with if if every star that gets locked"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "into a binary trinary system loses its"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "planets, that means that planets if you"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "push the timeline far enough forward"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "like a space fairing species would,"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "planets are not a home that is"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "sustainable."}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "So, if you're willing to leave your home"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "and move your species to space, then"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:41", "text": "you're going to go to where? Like, why"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:43", "text": "would you haul hydrogen somewhere"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "arbitrarily and you would just go to the"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "hydrogen? It makes way more sense. So,"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "when they were on their planet and"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "they're looking out in the galaxy, they"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "saw our system. And our system is very"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "unique. Um, it has four gas giants. Some"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:01", "text": "have one. We we're learn now learning"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "more and more about how to identify"}, {"start": "00:46:01", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "planets and how to um you know see what"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "they are and what they're made of and"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "it's very early early astronomy. But um"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "once you figure out"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "once you figure out that gas giants are"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "the solution they decided to move here."}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "And as that being a linear progress of"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "logic, they assumed because when they"}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:28", "text": "got here, they found us. They didn't"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "know that we were here. When they did"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "their astronomy from however far away it"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "was to here, they couldn't see us."}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "Rewind the clock. 25,000 years, 20,000"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "years, 15,000, however long that was,"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:42", "text": "cuz it took them a long time to get"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "here. We didn't have radios. Even if we"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:45", "text": "did, they wouldn't have had time to get"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "there, even traveling at the speed of"}, {"start": "00:46:45", "end": "00:46:48", "text": "light. So there's no way that they would"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "have even known that we were here. So"}, {"start": "00:46:48", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "they came here for the gas giants for a"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "solution to their energy needs for"}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:58", "text": "millions of years."}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "And so when they got here and they"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "discovered us, they were like, \"Wow, who"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "are these little monkeys running around"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:07", "text": "on this planet? Now we know that there's"}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "life in the universe.\" So they built the"}, {"start": "00:47:07", "end": "00:47:14", "text": "pyramid as a marker not for us to"}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "understand but for the other life that"}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "they predicted would come to our solar"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "system because it's unique and it has"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "four gas giants."}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "So once you learn how to read"}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "their memes and once you learn how they"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "think and you understand their frame, a"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "lot of the holes that you mentioned"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "start to fill themselves in just by"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "being the simplest and easiest and most"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "logical answer."}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:44", "text": ">> Does that make sense?"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:48", "text": ">> Yeah, for sure. Um,"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "okay. So out of necessity to survive,"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "they found us. Uh they found this"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "planet, they found the solar system, and"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "now they come here, they discover us."}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "What's the point of them doing what"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "they're doing? Why don't they just move"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "on? Why don't they just grab our water"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "and get out of here? What are they what"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "do they get out of quote unquote messing"}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "with us? So they're not here for our"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "water. They're here for the hydrogen"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "stores in Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus,"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "whatever."}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "And they've been here for a long, long"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "time. We can see evidence of them"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "interacting with us all the way back to"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:29", "text": "Aztec, them being the gods. Um, uh, it's"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "all over the place. They gave us, they"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "showed us the the summer solstice and"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "the winter solstice so that we knew when"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "to build crops, right? Um, they came"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:39", "text": "here and they saw that we were"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "struggling to survive. They started"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "doing some science on us and they"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "figured out that holy crap, these"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "monkeys are really smart, but they don't"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "have any tools. Well, why don't they"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "have any tools? And when they got here,"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "we had just ended an ice age. And"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "ice ages have this really interesting"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "aspect to them, like a um sociology"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "aspect that I think a lot of people"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "don't really comprehend. So, as the ice"}, {"start": "00:49:05", "end": "00:49:11", "text": "progresses down towards the equator, the"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "amount of land mass that is habitable"}, {"start": "00:49:11", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "that's above zero decreases. And so, all"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "of the life on planet Earth has to"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "compete to survive for the amount of"}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "vegetation that can grow in that tiny"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "band. And so, being aggressive, being"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "strong, being dominant survives. That's"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "uh the theory of evolution, right? Um,"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:33", "text": ">> sure."}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:34", "text": ">> That's Darwin's idea of how all life"}, {"start": "00:49:33", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "exists. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:37", "text": ">> So, if we accept that as a valid piece"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "of information,"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:44", "text": ">> we throughout our history get reset on"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:47", "text": "this huge massive"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "intergalactic scale where our planet"}, {"start": "00:49:47", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "goes through these cycles. And we we can"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:53", "text": "go through the ice records and we can"}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "see that we go through these cycles of"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "ice ages over and over and over again."}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "And every time it washes out our ability"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "to create tools, to create writing, to"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:03", "text": "create all of this stuff."}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:06", "text": ">> So they gave us these gifts. They gave"}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "us a little bump, a little push. Here"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "you go."}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:10", "text": ">> Which was the solstice."}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:11", "text": ">> Which was the solstice. So we knew or"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:13", "text": ">> the information of the solstice. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:15", "text": ">> We knew when to plant crops."}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:17", "text": ">> We knew when to do that. And they gave"}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "us the calendar of that through the"}, {"start": "00:50:17", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "Mayan calendar, right?"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:23", "text": ">> And so that that Mayan calendar was"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "reset in 2012 or when whenever it was."}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "Um, and that was when our our our system"}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "goes through is a full reset of the of"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "the procession cycle, which is one of"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "the four cycles in our ice age cycle."}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:39", "text": "And the four"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:43", "text": ">> combine to decide how deep"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:45", "text": ">> the ice age is in a given time. So they"}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:47", "text": "came here and they saw us, but they knew"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:48", "text": "how smart we were were. And they did a"}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "whole bunch of tests on us and they they"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "they they abducted us and they were"}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "like, \"How smart?\" Like we do that with"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "monkeys. Can it learn sign language? Can"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "it learn? We'll give it"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:50:58", "text": ">> uh"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:00", "text": ">> and that's the point of the chips."}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:00", "text": ">> No, we're getting to that."}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:02", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:03", "text": ">> But they have those monkeys and and"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "they'll they'll they'll give them a a"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "board and it'll have 20 numbers on it"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "and they'll flash it for like a tenth of"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "a second and they'll be at the 10."}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:10", "text": ">> The monkeyy's touching them all so"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "quickly."}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:15", "text": ">> My brain is like I can see four numbers"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "maybe and Monkeyy's just like nothing."}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:21", "text": ">> Pull up that video here so people can"}, {"start": "00:51:17", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "see. But it is I I it's astounding. I"}, {"start": "00:51:21", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "had no idea that they had this like"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "idetic memory that they could just see"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "something for a second and remember a"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "sequence like we can't do that, right? I"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "mean, maybe if we train really hard, but"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": "they have it innately, it seems."}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:38", "text": ">> Yeah. So, they they did tests on us and"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:39", "text": "they had philosophical conversations"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:41", "text": "with us and they had all these things"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "and they're like, \"How are you this"}, {"start": "00:51:41", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "smart?\" Because they went through a"}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "different evolution. How are you this"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:47", "text": "smart"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:49", "text": ">> and you don't have tools and language?"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "And so they gave us a little push. And"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "so they've been here interacting with us"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "because they're studying us. They know"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "us better than we know ourselves. And"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:01", "text": "the reason for that, the single motive"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "for that is very easy for us to relate"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "to. Security."}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "They came here. This is their solar"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "system. It's their energy. It's the way"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "that they survive. It's their We fight"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "wars over oil and gas all the time. So"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "they anticipate at one point through"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "giving us a boost, they knew that we"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "were going to get into space. They knew"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "that we were going to figure out the"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "atom. They knew that we were going to do"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:29", "text": "all this stuff. And so they are holding"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "a position which I 100% support. We are"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:35", "text": "not hardline going to allow humans to"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:37", "text": "fight us with interstellar energy."}, {"start": "00:52:35", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "Period. So, we have to figure out a way"}, {"start": "00:52:37", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "to get along, to communicate, to not"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "fight, to come up with a way that plenty"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "works because energy creates plenty. You"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "can talk Elon Musk talks about robots"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "and universal income and all of these"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "things and how when we have more robots"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "than people, what are people going to"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "do,"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:03", "text": ">> right? And so, plenty is coming."}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "We haven't done a lot of the sociology"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "or the philosophy and we don't celebrate"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "those spaces."}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:11", "text": ">> To soft sciences"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:13", "text": ">> to really have a game plan of what that"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "even looks like. Our leadership's they"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "don't even talk about it. They're not"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:17", "text": "even like, oh, what are we going to do"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "when the robots do all the jobs? They're"}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "just like, oh, we'll figure it out. Are"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:24", "text": "you saying when"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "AI becomes sentient or when we hit that"}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "max peak of AI where everything starts"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "becoming public domain and"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:31", "text": ">> you're saying that they went through"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "that already?"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:36", "text": ">> Well yeah I mean we can see this with"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:38", "text": "our AI and their AI is better than our"}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "AI but um"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:43", "text": ">> AI starts to take all the skills. So"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "people our smartest person let's say"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "they have 200 IQ right eventually the AI"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "will have a thousand IQ or it'll have"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "2,000 IQ or 10,000 IQ and we our"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:54", "text": "intelligence becomes irrelevant."}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:55", "text": ">> The difference between my intelligence"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "and your intelligence or Steve's"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "intelligence matters zero because the"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:02", "text": "delta is very small relative to the AI's"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "2000"}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:06", "text": ">> IQ."}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:08", "text": ">> So all skills and all knowledge"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "basically become deprecated. They become"}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "obsolete. [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "And so in a state like that where"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "there's a real true state of plenty like"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "I can just want something and the"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "computer will just make it for me. I"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "don't even have to think about it."}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:23", "text": ">> We don't have to understand how it"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "works. We don't have to Yeah."}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:27", "text": ">> Nothing. I just like I want a new camera"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "and boom, I have a new camera."}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:32", "text": ">> It changes the way that everything"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:35", "text": "works. And energy becomes the single by"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "like a huge gap"}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:40", "text": "um bottleneck in your society. And so it"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "needs to be protected. And we don't have"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "a history. We can't share. We We don't"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "share stuff. Countries that don't have"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "oil and gas are third world countries."}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:54", "text": ">> We're not like, \"Oh, here you go, poor"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:56", "text": "little country, have some oil and gas.\""}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "We're like, \"No, no, no. Pay the bill.\""}, {"start": "00:54:56", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "Right. So, we haven't proven to"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "ourselves, let alone someone else, that"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "we can even be good neighbors."}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:10", "text": ">> So, they're here. The chips are in"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "people to collect data. Data to drive an"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "algorithm which is a AI representation"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "of humanity or a vectorred version of"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "humanity in its in is in its"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:21", "text": ">> that can be predicted that can be"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:23", "text": ">> conversed with."}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:26", "text": ">> Yeah. conversed with, but also that can"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "be used to yeah predict our behavior and"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "and respond to perhaps some of our"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "hostility"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:33", "text": ">> or our um shortcomings"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:35", "text": ">> in uh"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:36", "text": ">> and the chip that you have, by the way,"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "we didn't talk about this before, but I"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "do want to mention this is in your lip."}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:41", "text": ">> It is. It's in my lip. Yeah, you can see"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "it with a flashlight."}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:46", "text": ">> And you've gotten it scanned multiple"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "times. Yeah, we have MRI. We have X-ray."}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:52", "text": ">> Uh there is clearly a physical object"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "there. What was interesting is that the"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "MRI that you brought showed like this"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:57", "text": "giant gaping hole in your chin."}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:02", "text": ">> Which doesn't make any sense because"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "clearly your chin's intact. It does not"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "have a giant hole in it."}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:08", "text": ">> But the MRI somehow"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:13", "text": ">> shows this big blotch."}, {"start": "00:56:09", "end": "00:56:16", "text": ">> MRIs are a magnetic resonation imaging"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "machine and so they use the magnetic"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "spectrum to interact with light. And if"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "you have a piece of metal in your face,"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "it will induce a magnetic field, but"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "that magnetic field from that object is"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "static. So let's say I have"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:30", "text": ">> doesn't fluctuate."}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:31", "text": ">> I have a piece of a Tonka truck."}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:35", "text": ">> Stuck in my face from when I was a kid,"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "right? That deflection would remain"}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "constant throughout the scan."}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:40", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:43", "text": ">> But on my scan, the intensity of the"}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "magnetic field changes from image to"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "image to image magnitude."}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:52", "text": "um difficult to say. I haven't been able"}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "to analyze it to that level of scrutiny."}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "Um the invitation is open. Yeah. If"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "somebody has the resources or the"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "ability to do something like that, I'm"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "totally uh open to um"}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:06", "text": ">> external validation and sharing the data"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "that I have. So, um I do want to I do"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:11", "text": "want to find that out. But um it's it"}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "shows and while the scan is going on,"}, {"start": "00:57:11", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "they're taking the piss out of me of how"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:16", "text": "useless this is, how they're going to"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:18", "text": "interfere with the scan."}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:20", "text": ">> But that's your interpretation of it."}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:21", "text": ">> That's your interpretation"}, {"start": "00:57:20", "end": "00:57:23", "text": ">> that they're taking the piss out of you?"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:25", "text": ">> No. No. They're they're literally"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:27", "text": "talking to me while I'm getting an MRI"}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:29", "text": "done, talking about how they're screwing"}, {"start": "00:57:27", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "with the machine through the device"}, {"start": "00:57:29", "end": "00:57:33", "text": "that's implanted in my face."}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:35", "text": ">> You can't tell a doctor that."}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:37", "text": ">> No, [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:39", "text": ">> I can't I can barely tell you that. You"}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "can barely tell the audience that it's"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "it's difficult to"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:43", "text": ">> That sounds insane."}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:43", "text": ">> It does, but yet the image is there."}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:44", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:46", "text": ">> clearly"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:49", "text": ">> and the the the size of the the image is"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "changing. So, how do you explain it?"}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:55", "text": ">> Yeah. I don't know. Um you had a surgeon"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "in Canada refused to take it out."}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:59", "text": ">> That's correct. And then you're trying"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "to are you actively pursuing them or are"}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "you looking into uh perhaps why that"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "surgeon refused to do that or is there"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "any"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:12", "text": ">> Yeah, I mean that's a kind of a personal"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "uh thing and it goes deep into um some"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "stuff that I don't necessarily want to"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "talk about at this point,"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:22", "text": ">> but um I I am open to getting it"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "removed. I want ultimately to get it"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "removed. Um,"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:26", "text": ">> yeah, to study it and to have hard"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "evidence"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:33", "text": ">> to take it to the next level. But I've"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "been keeping it in my face because you"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "can't refuse its existence if it's still"}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:39", "text": ">> Right? As soon as it's out, they can"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "say, \"Well, how do we know that that was"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:41", "text": "in your face?\""}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:42", "text": ">> Everybody will say, \"Well, chain of"}, {"start": "00:58:41", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "custody.\" Well, the chain of custody has"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "been where it's been implanted in my"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "face the whole time."}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:49", "text": ">> So, you have you're getting you're"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "gathering all the information that you"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "can while it's in your body."}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:56", "text": ">> Yeah. before you extract it and have"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "sort of provenence of where that came"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "from."}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:03", "text": ">> Yeah. My my YouTube channel, I call it"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "maximal truth because I'm trying to and"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "I've tried to throughout this entire"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:08", "text": "experience be as objective,"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:10", "text": ">> just document everything"}, {"start": "00:59:08", "end": "00:59:11", "text": ">> as I possibly can from an objective"}, {"start": "00:59:10", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "perspective."}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:15", "text": ">> Where it isn't my opinion that it is"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:17", "text": "this, it is that it makes the most sense"}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "if it is this. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:24", "text": ">> So, um I I'm going to continue along"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "that path. I would love support and help"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "in that direction. People who have the"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:31", "text": "ability to do tests, to validate stuff,"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "who can check and do all of these things"}, {"start": "00:59:31", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "because to have one person carry this"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "alone is a is a big ask."}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:42", "text": ">> Is it magnetic? No, it is um but only as"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "a reflection of its ability to absorb"}, {"start": "00:59:42", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "and emit light which is on the uh"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "gigahertz or millimeter spectrum which"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "happens so fast that normal electronics"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "can't pick it up. You need a you need a"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:56", "text": ">> you can't put a magnet to it. It won't"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "00:59:57", "text": "stick."}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "00:59:59", "text": ">> It happens too fast. So it just comes"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "across as neutral"}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:04", "text": ">> because it's it's oscillating way way"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "way too too fast."}, {"start": "01:00:04", "end": "01:00:05", "text": ">> Wild."}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:09", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:12", "text": ">> Do you feel it? No."}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:15", "text": ">> So crazy. I've had a few people send me"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "their X-rays as well and it's a very"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:19", "text": "tiny object. Um, but it's in your lip,"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "not in your jaw. Correct."}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:23", "text": ">> 2.17 millimeters and it's in the it's in"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:24", "text": "the skin. It's in my lip. I think it's"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "on this side. I don't remember. And I"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "also have um more evidence. the there's"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "two gray patches on my head where and"}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "this is 100% speculation me just trying"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "to put the pieces together but when I"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "went outside the restaurant I think from"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "an invisible position behind me two"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "intersecting lasers"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "for overcharged my pawns which is part"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "of my brain and rendered me unconscious"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "and these"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:51", "text": ">> like some type of directed energy"}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:53", "text": "weapon."}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. like little lasers that are"}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "designed to interact with the brain to"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "overstimulate it to cause a full wash"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "reset of the brain and I would and I"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "rendered me unconscious."}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": ">> It's the same technology as they use for"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "crop circles and they told me is a"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:12", "text": "solution for um curing brain cancer. So"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "if you have two if you have multiple"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:18", "text": "lasers where they intersect like a wave"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "on the ocean if all the waves amplitudes"}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:21", "text": "meet at the same spot you'll get a great"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:23", "text": "big wave. Yeah. If they meet in a way"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:25", "text": "that cancels, you'll get you'll get"}, {"start": "01:01:23", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "nowhere. And you can do the same thing"}, {"start": "01:01:25", "end": "01:01:28", "text": "with light, but you have to be able to"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:30", "text": "control the start point. So, you have to"}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "be able to control the start point so"}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "that you can get the phase shift right"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "because you have to have the light"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "amplify at the same spot."}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:38", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:41", "text": ">> So that it creates a um a microwave in"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "the cop. In the case of crop circles,"}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "they use a microwave laser intersecting"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "and then it just goes and creates a a"}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "pattern on the field."}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:53", "text": ">> Yeah. And you can do the same thing for"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "non-invasive surgery or non-invasive"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "brain cancer. And this is how they are"}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "able to they live longer than we do."}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "They've done obviously their medical"}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "system. We have I mean this thing hasn't"}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:08", "text": "been rejected by my body. People report"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "being healed by them. All kinds of"}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "stuff. So we know that their level of"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "medical um understanding is far more"}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "advanced than us. And that's how they're"}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:19", "text": "able to stay alive longer. So that's how"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:21", "text": "they're able to cure cancer is they just"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "kill they can interfere with their body"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "at the cellular level through light"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "non-invasively. And so they can just"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "kill cancer cells in the brain without"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:30", "text": "ever opening your brain."}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:32", "text": ">> That's very interesting. Do they um so"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:34", "text": "these are people? These are like"}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "essentially they're Yeah, they're"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:39", "text": "extraterrestrial obviously, but they're"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:42", "text": "they're a physical person. They have"}, {"start": "01:02:39", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "male and females"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "I speculate."}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:47", "text": ">> Okay, so that's a complicated question."}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "So they're absolutely"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:53", "text": ">> Well, gender is a spectrum, all that"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "stuff. But do they have like"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:56", "text": "reproductive organs?"}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:57", "text": ">> Yes. And they're biological entities."}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "And the way that I know that they're"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:01", "text": "biological entities is because they make"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:03", "text": "mistakes. So they'll say something"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:04", "text": "silly. They'll put themselves in a"}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:06", "text": "position where I can take the piss out"}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "of them. They take the piss out of me."}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:11", "text": "We tease each other all the time. Um,"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:13", "text": "and a computer wouldn't make those kinds"}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "of mistakes. It wouldn't have those"}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:20", "text": "types of responses. and"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "they have absolutely have a filter on"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "the conversation that they're having and"}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:25", "text": "they can control it to be anything. They"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:26", "text": "could make themselves sound like a"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "female. They can make themselves sound"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "like a they can make themselves sound"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "like the president. They can make"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:32", "text": "themselves sound like George Clooney."}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:34", "text": "Anyone they want to just like we can"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:36", "text": ">> and they can do it real time. So just"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:37", "text": "because I'm hearing a female voice"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "doesn't necessarily mean that it's a"}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "female that I'm talking to because it"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "could be it could be the AI talking."}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:44", "text": ">> So you don't know."}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:47", "text": ">> I don't know. I can't validate that. But"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "I do know that they make mistakes. And I"}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:51", "text": "do know that they've taught me all kinds"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "of stuff about physics and light and"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "astronomy and sociology and all of these"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "things that I want to now share with the"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "world cuz they're not it's not our"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:04", "text": "science. It's their science. But what so"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:08", "text": "they obviously don't want us to know"}, {"start": "01:04:04", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "about them. Like that's their that was"}, {"start": "01:04:08", "end": "01:04:12", "text": "their main thing, right, for like so"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "many years. And you know, you we talked"}, {"start": "01:04:12", "end": "01:04:17", "text": "before the podcast and you explained to"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:19", "text": "me that they do have uh some type of"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "deal with the government that that is"}, {"start": "01:04:19", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "real."}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:24", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "let's talk about that. Let's talk about"}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:27", "text": "Okay, so there's a meeting that happened"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:30", "text": "between them."}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:32", "text": ">> So I I disagree with the position that"}, {"start": "01:04:30", "end": "01:04:35", "text": "it's them that want secrecy. We have no"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "evidence of that. In the Vatican,"}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "there's thousands of years of reports of"}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "them interacting with people. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:42", "text": ">> there's pictures of them on cave walls."}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "They built a pyramid on the planet."}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:46", "text": ">> They're not trying to"}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:52", "text": "talked to them first after World War II"}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "and all the noise and complication that"}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "comes across that that whole rabbit hole"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "that you can go down and many people"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "watching had gone down that rabbit hole."}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "Um, they made a deal with our people."}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "Our people didn't want them to exist."}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "They didn't think that we could handle"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:12", "text": "it."}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "You got to remember the frame. Truman"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "just came out of World War II."}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:19", "text": "Eisenhower was a general in World War"}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:21", "text": "II. They both of them had PTSD. Truman"}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:23", "text": "dropped a bomb and vaporized a half a"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:27", "text": "million people. Imagine how that would"}, {"start": "01:05:23", "end": "01:05:29", "text": "affect your your psyche, your ability to"}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "like be a person still after fighting"}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:33", "text": "the Nazis in Japan and all of that stuff"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:37", "text": "that they went through. It was a really"}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "traumatizing time. And then, oh, by the"}, {"start": "01:05:37", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "way, there's also aliens."}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:42", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:45", "text": ">> Right. And they're like, the last thing"}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "we need after World War II is to have"}, {"start": "01:05:45", "end": "01:05:52", "text": "this now existential threat on our"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:54", "text": "hands. We need time. We need time to"}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "change our systems. We need time to"}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "change our beliefs. We need time to do"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "all kinds of stuff."}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:01", "text": ">> That makes sense to me."}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:03", "text": ">> And so, they asked for time. Now, how"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "long? I don't know. uh they they're"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:08", "text": "forthcoming with me, but they're not"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "that forthcoming with me. And so, we've"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "changed our system. You used to uh"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:16", "text": "everything used to go through religion."}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "There was religion was on the on the"}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:21", "text": "coin. Religion was on uh in court. Uh"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:24", "text": "and now we're trying to separate"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "religion from state. And it's been a"}, {"start": "01:06:24", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "slow long slow process because I think"}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:32", "text": "for a lot of people the idea or the"}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "existence of aliens because of the way"}, {"start": "01:06:32", "end": "01:06:37", "text": "that it's written and I'm not uh I'm not"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "religious at all. I I have never read"}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "the Bible. I know nothing about any of"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "this stuff. Um so it's just whatever"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "whatever I can see from the outside"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:47", "text": "looking in. But um a lot of that a lot"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "of that was very closely tied because we"}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "came from Europe and in Europe the the"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:55", "text": "Catholic Church was you know sistered up"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "with uh all of the heads of state"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:06:59", "text": ">> throughout the whole of Europe. And"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:01", "text": ">> so"}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:03", "text": ">> up until the mid600s"}, {"start": "01:07:01", "end": "01:07:05", "text": ">> religion has been a key pillar of power"}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:05", "text": "on our planet for a very very very long"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:09", "text": "time."}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:11", "text": ">> Oh yeah. And so I think they wanted they"}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:13", "text": "wanted to separate from that and they"}, {"start": "01:07:11", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "wanted to give the public a chance to"}, {"start": "01:07:13", "end": "01:07:19", "text": "accept it through movies like ET through"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:21", "text": "Independence Day through all of these"}, {"start": "01:07:19", "end": "01:07:24", "text": "thought experiments that they put us"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "through so that when they do say it like"}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "I think they're going to soon um when"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:31", "text": "they do say it people are like oh yeah"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:33", "text": "like now most people don't care. No,"}, {"start": "01:07:31", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "they're sort of Yeah, there's a lot of"}, {"start": "01:07:33", "end": "01:07:39", "text": "apathy and and sort of"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "um Okay, so they have this deal with the"}, {"start": "01:07:39", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "government. They are, despite"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "everything, are keeping a secret."}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:49", "text": "They're not showing themselves overtly."}, {"start": "01:07:47", "end": "01:07:53", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:55", "text": "why would they allow this? This seems"}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:58", "text": "like it kind of undermines what they're"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "doing. Like I mean if you spend so many"}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "resources on chipping, tracking, um data"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:08", "text": "collecting, you know, all these all of"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "this kind of hinges on secrecy."}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "If there's no secret secrecy or if we"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "start understanding exactly what their"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:17", "text": "motive is or where they're from or how"}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:19", "text": "their technology works, I mean to me"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:22", "text": "that kind of undermines their security."}, {"start": "01:08:19", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "It it creates a flaw in their system"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "that we can now exploit. Why would they"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "allow you to talk about that so openly?"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:32", "text": "That boggles my mind. Like it it I I"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:34", "text": "feel like this is counterintuitive if"}, {"start": "01:08:32", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "they're a very highly intelligent"}, {"start": "01:08:34", "end": "01:08:36", "text": "species."}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:39", "text": ">> This wouldn't this wouldn't happen."}, {"start": "01:08:37", "end": "01:08:40", "text": ">> Well, they didn't want me to and they"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "blocked me from doing this for a very"}, {"start": "01:08:40", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "long time."}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:46", "text": ">> They filtered my then communication."}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:47", "text": "They filtered all of my things. Well,"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:50", "text": "the government"}, {"start": "01:08:47", "end": "01:08:52", "text": ">> the government is now disclosing."}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:53", "text": ">> So, you think it's because of the"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "government disclosing that they are"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:57", "text": ">> part of it? Have they told you so?"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:08:58", "text": ">> Uh yeah, we have discussions about it"}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:08:59", "text": "all the time"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:00", "text": ">> about disclosure."}, {"start": "01:08:59", "end": "01:09:01", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:02", "text": ">> And what what's their thoughts on"}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:05", "text": "disclosure?"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:06", "text": ">> It's not their idea. They haven't I I"}, {"start": "01:09:05", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "still disagree with the frame that they"}, {"start": "01:09:06", "end": "01:09:11", "text": "haven't been out there publicly. There"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:14", "text": "are thousands and thousands and"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "thousands of witnesses."}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "We, our teams, the CIA, the KGB, have"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:22", "text": "created a stigma to dismiss them"}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:24", "text": ">> so that most people have the frame that"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "they aren't presenting themselves."}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "They're not"}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:27", "text": ">> showing up on Time Square."}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:29", "text": ">> Yeah. The the evidence is"}, {"start": "01:09:27", "end": "01:09:31", "text": ">> interacting with people like, \"Hi,"}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:34", "text": ">> the evidence is mainly anecdotal"}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:36", "text": "mainly.\" Um,"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:37", "text": ">> how do we"}, {"start": "01:09:36", "end": "01:09:39", "text": "you know what I mean? There's there's"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "I'm I'm sure there's many ways that we"}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:46", "text": "can transcend the anecdotal stuff"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:47", "text": "instantly through communication."}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:52", "text": ">> Um whether that's breaking a formula"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "that we've been trying to break uh"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:55", "text": "something perhaps that maybe you're"}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:09:55", "text": "working on."}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:09:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:09:58", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:09:59", "text": ">> but they could do any of that within a"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "split second."}, {"start": "01:09:59", "end": "01:10:00", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:02", "text": ">> Why don't they?"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:03", "text": ">> Because they have a deal."}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:03", "text": ">> With a deal with who? With the"}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:05", "text": "government."}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:06", "text": ">> With with the the governments of our of"}, {"start": "01:10:05", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "our planet. Okay."}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:11", "text": ">> They're they're they're giving us I"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:14", "text": "think a lot of people take it as a"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "disrespect, but it's actually inverted"}, {"start": "01:10:14", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "from that. They're giving us a huge"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "amount of respect because our leadership"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:22", "text": "has made the decision that they don't"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:24", "text": "want people to know. And so they're"}, {"start": "01:10:22", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "honoring that to a certain degree, but"}, {"start": "01:10:24", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "only to a certain degree. They're only"}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "going to give us as much as they decide"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:33", "text": "they're going to give us. And so they"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:37", "text": "have interactions and they test us."}, {"start": "01:10:33", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "There's a a moment in the three-body"}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:41", "text": "problem where he's on the phone with"}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:43", "text": "aliens and he's reading a story and he's"}, {"start": "01:10:41", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "explaining lying and at the moment that"}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:49", "text": "he says I'm a liar and the aliens are"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:52", "text": "like you're you lie and then they stop"}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "talking. So as soon as you validate that"}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:10:56", "text": "you lie, how do they how can they know"}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:58", "text": "that what we're saying is the truth? So,"}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "one of the reasons that they create that"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:01", "text": "great big AI and they're collecting all"}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:04", "text": "this data from hundreds of thousands of"}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:06", "text": "people with implants is so that they"}, {"start": "01:11:04", "end": "01:11:09", "text": "know whether or not we're lying. They"}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:11", "text": "have that data to validate that. So, as"}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:14", "text": "much as it sucks to be a person with an"}, {"start": "01:11:11", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "implant in it, we need it. We need it so"}, {"start": "01:11:14", "end": "01:11:19", "text": "that we're not a threat. They need that"}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:20", "text": "data so that they can ask the AI what"}, {"start": "01:11:19", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "the truth is."}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:23", "text": ">> Because if if they go to the government"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "and we know that"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:27", "text": ">> they're going to get lied to,"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:29", "text": ">> right? Like there isn't a single honest."}, {"start": "01:11:27", "end": "01:11:31", "text": ">> Yeah. The data collection. No. Yeah. The"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:33", "text": "data collection stuff is really"}, {"start": "01:11:31", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "interesting to me because I do feel like"}, {"start": "01:11:33", "end": "01:11:37", "text": "after all is said and done and there are"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "no jobs and there you know there's"}, {"start": "01:11:37", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "nothing left to to do like we figured it"}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "out once we've really figured it out and"}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:47", "text": "we can you know just like the holiday or"}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:49", "text": "just like uh you know the the the little"}, {"start": "01:11:47", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "thing that makes food in Star Trek. We"}, {"start": "01:11:49", "end": "01:11:54", "text": "can do all of that eventually. What what"}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "what's left? What is the commodity then?"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:11:59", "text": "if it's not gold and if it isn't money"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "and if it isn't water like it becomes"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:05", "text": "information data"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:07", "text": ">> and we're seeing that now like there is"}, {"start": "01:12:05", "end": "01:12:10", "text": "a study"}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "um recently that I looked at which the"}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "number I forget what the number was but"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "essentially"}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:20", "text": "I think this was uh Jeff Bezos who's"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:24", "text": "talking about this if I'm not mistaken"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:27", "text": "um but he voiced concerns"}, {"start": "01:12:24", "end": "01:12:29", "text": "that we didn't have enough"}, {"start": "01:12:27", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "clean water"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:33", "text": "to feed the AI servers that like the"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "cooling systems of the AI."}, {"start": "01:12:33", "end": "01:12:37", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:41", "text": ">> Um and that"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:44", "text": "we're going to essentially use our"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:44", "text": "consumable water."}, {"start": "01:12:44", "end": "01:12:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:12:44", "end": "01:12:47", "text": ">> As priority."}, {"start": "01:12:46", "end": "01:12:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:53", "text": ">> To feed these servers rather than"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:54", "text": ">> Yeah. to feed people who are dying of"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "dehydration"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:12:58", "text": ">> as a validation to the uh value of"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "information."}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:01", "text": ">> Exactly. Because it becomes a higher"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:03", "text": "priority."}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:06", "text": ">> It seems like that we're we're we're"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "directing we're prioritizing cooling"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:10", "text": "down these servers rather than giving"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:14", "text": "people water who need it."}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:16", "text": ">> Mhm. And so if you fast forward that,"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "you know, it becomes a very lucrative,"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "valuable and essential commodity"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:24", "text": "eventually is this data collection."}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:26", "text": ">> And that very point is the reason why"}, {"start": "01:13:24", "end": "01:13:29", "text": "they interact with our nuclear stuff is"}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:30", "text": "because they look at us and they're a"}, {"start": "01:13:29", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "very I mean they're way more advanced"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "than us, right? They live in that"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "society that you're describing. So for"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:40", "text": "them to see us, they live in a state of"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "plenty. How could you make the decision"}, {"start": "01:13:40", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "to have people that are that are like"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "you that don't have clean water? How"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:49", "text": "what's wrong with your brain?"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:51", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:13:49", "end": "01:13:53", "text": ">> Or your society or your sociology where"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:56", "text": "that's acceptable to you where you can"}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:57", "text": "like be okay with that and like go out"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:13:58", "text": "for dinner with your friends"}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:00", "text": ">> just the reason they took our toys away"}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:01", "text": ">> while there's people on the other side"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:02", "text": "of the planet or somewhere else that"}, {"start": "01:14:01", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "have nothing. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:08", "text": ">> They're living in the dirt. Like if"}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:09", "text": "that's your acceptable behavior,"}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:11", "text": ">> yeah, if that's your compass,"}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:12", "text": ">> then you don't have you're not going to"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:13", "text": "be our neighbor because you're not going"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:17", "text": "to do that to us,"}, {"start": "01:14:13", "end": "01:14:19", "text": ">> right? We're we needed to be violent."}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "Violence is in our DNA. It's a function"}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:25", "text": "of the"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:27", "text": "uh ice age cycle. All of us, we have to"}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "fight. We have to learn to fight. It's a"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "function of survival. Strong the"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:33", "text": "strongest survives, right? Survival of"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "the fittest. And we haven't turned the"}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:38", "text": "camera or we haven't turned it back on"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:41", "text": "ourselves to start learning about h what"}, {"start": "01:14:38", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "should we do? What how should we behave?"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:46", "text": "What is an objective way to be the best"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "human? What's the the most objective way"}, {"start": "01:14:46", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "to be the best citizen of the universe?"}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:52", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:55", "text": ">> Right. So"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "they need like it's it's really a"}, {"start": "01:14:55", "end": "01:15:00", "text": "difficult situation, but they're giving"}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "us a lot of respect because they're"}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:05", "text": "listening to even though the the"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:07", "text": "leader's decision to wait, maybe not."}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "Maybe was, maybe wasn't. I don't have"}, {"start": "01:15:07", "end": "01:15:10", "text": "the information that they had at the"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "time. I can see reflections of it. I can"}, {"start": "01:15:10", "end": "01:15:13", "text": "see how they would make a decision like"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:14", "text": "that. They didn't agree with that"}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:16", "text": "decision. They don't think that that's a"}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "smart decision, but the leaders made the"}, {"start": "01:15:16", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "decision. They wanted it certain amount"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:20", "text": "of time, so they gave it to them and"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "they're respecting it to a certain"}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "degree within the confines of that deal."}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:27", "text": "And they break the deal just as much as"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "we break the deal. And so they're"}, {"start": "01:15:27", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "communicating with our people to say"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:34", "text": "like, we know what's going on, right?"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:36", "text": "And all of these things that happen are"}, {"start": "01:15:34", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "are conversations that they're having"}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:39", "text": "with the deep state, with the powers"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "that be, with the people who are making"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "decisions at the highest level about"}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:46", "text": "this that we're not even allowed to know"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "it exists, which to them also seems like"}, {"start": "01:15:46", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "completely upside down. And to me"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:53", "text": "personally, it sound it's like insane"}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:55", "text": "that we have creatures from another"}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "world that have come here and have been"}, {"start": "01:15:55", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "here for for so long. and the data is"}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:01", "text": "irrefutable"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:03", "text": "and we're not allowed to know about"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:05", "text": "them. Like that just doesn't even make"}, {"start": "01:16:03", "end": "01:16:07", "text": "any sense to me. Like why would you how"}, {"start": "01:16:05", "end": "01:16:10", "text": "would you even accept that as like an"}, {"start": "01:16:07", "end": "01:16:13", "text": "acceptable frame? Like it it I can't I"}, {"start": "01:16:10", "end": "01:16:15", "text": "can't find the data to make that make"}, {"start": "01:16:13", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "sense. Now I don't have all the data."}, {"start": "01:16:15", "end": "01:16:19", "text": "I'm not pretending to be like the person"}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "who knows everything but um"}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:23", "text": ">> yeah initially uh I read a document"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "somewhere which is really interesting"}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:33", "text": "and it was uh it was proposing that the"}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:35", "text": "reason we didn't want to divulge"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:39", "text": "the extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:44", "text": "um sort of their existence to the public"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:47", "text": "is because their utopian society was"}, {"start": "01:16:44", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "essentially built in a communist sort of"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "way."}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:51", "text": ">> Where everything's divided up equally."}, {"start": "01:16:51", "end": "01:16:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:16:51", "end": "01:16:57", "text": ">> And everyone has sort of equal share of"}, {"start": "01:16:54", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "everything. And that was a huge threat"}, {"start": "01:16:57", "end": "01:17:01", "text": "to us in the 40s and 50s. Communism."}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:04", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:07", "text": ">> We wanted to shun the idea of communism"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:08", "text": "away from the the general western"}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:11", "text": "public."}, {"start": "01:17:08", "end": "01:17:13", "text": ">> Yeah. uh because if they started un if"}, {"start": "01:17:11", "end": "01:17:15", "text": "they started wanting communism just like"}, {"start": "01:17:13", "end": "01:17:18", "text": "Russia had it or China or you know"}, {"start": "01:17:15", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "Germany at the time um then the"}, {"start": "01:17:18", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "capitalist society that the United"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:24", "text": "States was trying to build would"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "collapse. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:24", "end": "01:17:29", "text": ">> And so I thought it was interesting as a"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:33", "text": "proposed reason why there was no"}, {"start": "01:17:29", "end": "01:17:36", "text": "disclosure in the 50s was well we're not"}, {"start": "01:17:33", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "afraid that you won't understand aliens."}, {"start": "01:17:36", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "we're afraid that you'll want communism."}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:43", "text": ">> Um which I thought was interesting."}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:44", "text": ">> And they're absolutely fighting. I mean,"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:46", "text": "we can see it. They do it out in the"}, {"start": "01:17:44", "end": "01:17:47", "text": "open for all of us to see. They're"}, {"start": "01:17:46", "end": "01:17:50", "text": "fighting. There's a a big struggle"}, {"start": "01:17:47", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "between which leadership model is the"}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:53", "text": "best model. And like"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:55", "text": ">> they have this idea that there's only"}, {"start": "01:17:53", "end": "01:17:57", "text": "two potential leadership models in the"}, {"start": "01:17:55", "end": "01:17:59", "text": "universe and there couldn't be a better"}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:01", "text": "one. And both of them fail. I've had"}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:03", "text": "this philosophical conversation with"}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:05", "text": "them endless times. It doesn't matter."}, {"start": "01:18:03", "end": "01:18:07", "text": ">> So what's the one you're not going to"}, {"start": "01:18:05", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "have? you're not going to have um a"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:10", "text": "capitalist society because there's"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:13", "text": "nothing to capitalize on."}, {"start": "01:18:10", "end": "01:18:14", "text": ">> Like when the computer does all this,"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:15", "text": "what what am I going to take from you?"}, {"start": "01:18:14", "end": "01:18:19", "text": ">> Yeah, it's going to collapse."}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:21", "text": ">> Well, the idea of money was"}, {"start": "01:18:19", "end": "01:18:22", "text": "comes way back from when when we didn't"}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:24", "text": "really have we were just starting to"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:28", "text": "learn how to trade and okay, I make"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:29", "text": "hammers and you have cows. Well, I'm not"}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:31", "text": "going to give you my whole hammer for a"}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:33", "text": "cow because then you know you're getting"}, {"start": "01:18:31", "end": "01:18:35", "text": "ripped off. But my cow isn't worth"}, {"start": "01:18:33", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "enough for the milk. So then you're"}, {"start": "01:18:35", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "getting ripped off. So how do we divide"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "this up so that it works? And money"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "intrinsically is supposed to represent"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "work. That's what it was invented for."}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:48", "text": "It doesn't represent work anymore. I can"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "sit here while I'm sitting here. My my"}, {"start": "01:18:48", "end": "01:18:53", "text": "my trading is making me money. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:55", "text": "doing any work to earn that money. And"}, {"start": "01:18:53", "end": "01:18:57", "text": "so we figured out a way to manipulate"}, {"start": "01:18:55", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "and exploit that idea because that's"}, {"start": "01:18:57", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "what people do is exploit stuff. So the"}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:04", "text": "whole idea of capitalism is already"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:06", "text": "starting to collapse. I mean, we can see"}, {"start": "01:19:04", "end": "01:19:07", "text": "them them printing money and that the"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:09", "text": "amount of money that they have to print,"}, {"start": "01:19:07", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "I don't think the the US can even"}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:12", "text": "recover from the debt that it has. So, I"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "mean, mathematically,"}, {"start": "01:19:12", "end": "01:19:17", "text": ">> no, it's possible. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:18", "text": ">> it has to fail. So, it's not even really"}, {"start": "01:19:17", "end": "01:19:20", "text": "a position that they can even hold."}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:21", "text": ">> Yeah. I remember watching Zeitgeist when"}, {"start": "01:19:20", "end": "01:19:23", "text": "that came out."}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:26", "text": ">> But yeah, but how do you how do you as"}, {"start": "01:19:23", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "the leader of the planet say that you're"}, {"start": "01:19:26", "end": "01:19:30", "text": "driving a ship that's sinking? Like you"}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:31", "text": "you can't it's it's not even a position"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "that they can even take."}, {"start": "01:19:31", "end": "01:19:34", "text": ">> So, tell me about I want to learn. I I"}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "want to hear less about us because I'm"}, {"start": "01:19:34", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "bored with us."}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:38", "text": ">> Fair enough."}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:39", "text": ">> I've I've heard enough about us. I We"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:41", "text": "hear it in the news cycle. Something we"}, {"start": "01:19:39", "end": "01:19:41", "text": "don't hear about is them. What do they"}, {"start": "01:19:41", "end": "01:19:42", "text": "look like?"}, {"start": "01:19:41", "end": "01:19:44", "text": ">> I have no idea."}, {"start": "01:19:42", "end": "01:19:45", "text": ">> So, what do you what do they tell you"}, {"start": "01:19:44", "end": "01:19:48", "text": "they look like?"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:51", "text": ">> Um they tell me they have a filter on"}, {"start": "01:19:48", "end": "01:19:53", "text": "their um virtual reality space that"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "prevents them from showing me what they"}, {"start": "01:19:53", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "look like."}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:56", "text": ">> All right. There's so many directions we"}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:19:58", "text": "can go here. Let's go to the virtual"}, {"start": "01:19:56", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "reality space. Um, this is something"}, {"start": "01:19:58", "end": "01:20:00", "text": "that I thought was really fascinating"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:03", "text": "when you talked to me about it and how"}, {"start": "01:20:00", "end": "01:20:05", "text": "they sort of hijack our neural pathways"}, {"start": "01:20:03", "end": "01:20:07", "text": "to create these virtual simulations in"}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:10", "text": "our mind which then lead us to think"}, {"start": "01:20:07", "end": "01:20:12", "text": "we're talking to plleadenss or mantis"}, {"start": "01:20:10", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "people or tall grays or whatever it is."}, {"start": "01:20:12", "end": "01:20:17", "text": "What is that mechanism and can you"}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:18", "text": "explain that maybe in like a deeper way"}, {"start": "01:20:17", "end": "01:20:21", "text": "that people can understand?"}, {"start": "01:20:18", "end": "01:20:25", "text": ">> Absolutely. So it's a wireless computer"}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "brain interface that creates what we"}, {"start": "01:20:25", "end": "01:20:30", "text": "call manifolds which are thought"}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "processes. So a neuron will fire and"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:35", "text": "when it gets to the end of its axen uh"}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:37", "text": "there will either be enough charge to"}, {"start": "01:20:35", "end": "01:20:39", "text": "tell the next neuron to fire or multiple"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "neurons. And so they create this chain"}, {"start": "01:20:39", "end": "01:20:44", "text": "or the sequence of firing that we call"}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:46", "text": "manifolds. And so everything that you go"}, {"start": "01:20:44", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "through, the words that I'm speaking,"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "the the vision that I'm going through,"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:51", "text": "all of it creates manifolds. And there's"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "all kinds of research that we're doing"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:54", "text": "right now all around the world. They're"}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:56", "text": "recording dreams. They're doing studies"}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "in mice. They're doing all kinds of"}, {"start": "01:20:56", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "stuff to validate that this is a real"}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:03", "text": "true thing. And so through these"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "manifolds and a computer brain"}, {"start": "01:21:03", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "interface, you can read the manifold to"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "understand what's going on inside a"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "person's brain as they perceive it. and"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "you can induce those same things and"}, {"start": "01:21:14", "end": "01:21:20", "text": "through that interface much like a TV"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:22", "text": "screen or something else they can then"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:23", "text": "they've then bridged that gap so that"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "becomes a method how to get a hold of"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:28", "text": "the brain and then they use that method"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "to then spool up a virtual space where"}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "you can then interact in that space."}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:37", "text": ">> So in a in a more simplified version um"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "when you think about something there is"}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "a certain pattern that you can sort of"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "copy paste."}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:46", "text": ">> Yeah. in your neural pathways."}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:49", "text": ">> And so if you have a way of injecting"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "that paste back, changing something and"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:55", "text": "back into the brain, then you can create"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:57", "text": "a simulated reality because all of this"}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "is simulated. Like me doing this isn't"}, {"start": "01:21:57", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "happening over here. It's all happening"}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:02", "text": "in here. That's right. Um, and so what"}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:05", "text": "you're saying is that the data that"}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "they're collecting,"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "they're using against us, so to speak,"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "uh, to induce these hallucinations"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:16", "text": "against us, with us. Some people it's"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:18", "text": "against, some people it's with, and it's"}, {"start": "01:22:16", "end": "01:22:19", "text": "a broad spectrum of stuff so that they"}, {"start": "01:22:18", "end": "01:22:21", "text": "can diversify their"}, {"start": "01:22:19", "end": "01:22:23", "text": ">> but that's essentially it. But yes,"}, {"start": "01:22:21", "end": "01:22:25", "text": "that's exactly what's happening is"}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:28", "text": "they're they're leveraging this"}, {"start": "01:22:25", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "understanding this technology to"}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "interact with people in different"}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:34", "text": "formats. So some people can see stuff,"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:36", "text": "some people hear stuff, some people can"}, {"start": "01:22:34", "end": "01:22:39", "text": "but like tasting things like I some I'll"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:42", "text": "I'll taste ice cream. They they can make"}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "me taste ice cream. They can um"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:44", "text": ">> What kind of ice cream?"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:46", "text": ">> Well, whatever kind I've eaten before,"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "but it has to be something that I've"}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:51", "text": "done before. So they can only recreate"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:51", "text": "images that I've given Sure. to the"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "computer"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:55", "text": ">> fed. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:58", "text": ">> And the more times I do something, the"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:23:01", "text": "greater the resolution. So each time the"}, {"start": "01:22:58", "end": "01:23:04", "text": "model learns and it trains itself to a"}, {"start": "01:23:01", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "sharper state. So uh like when I first"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:07", "text": "started learning, she would show me an"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:09", "text": "image and then she would blink it twice."}, {"start": "01:23:07", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "But we didn't quite have audio figured"}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "out yet cuz she was training the AI how"}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:15", "text": "to learn audio. And so then when I had"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:18", "text": "audio, then I could hear her. And then"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:19", "text": "once we had audio then the pictures were"}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:22", "text": "better and then they became color"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "pictures and then I was able to just do"}, {"start": "01:23:22", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "it in my eye and in inside my head"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:27", "text": "instead of looking at the wall. And so"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "there was this huge progression and I"}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:34", "text": "watched them literally watched them"}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:36", "text": "train the AI um on my brain and watched"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "it get better at the things that it did"}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:42", "text": "to interact with me. And so through that"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:45", "text": "process, being the scientist, being the"}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "curious engineering brain that I have, I"}, {"start": "01:23:45", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "needed to know how, why, who, what,"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:52", "text": "where, when, how, why. I wanted to"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "define all of the parameters that I"}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:57", "text": "could get about this interaction. And so"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "I started learning. And the more I"}, {"start": "01:23:57", "end": "01:24:00", "text": "learned, the better questions I could"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:02", "text": "ask. And the better questions I could"}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "ask, the more stuff I could learn. And"}, {"start": "01:24:02", "end": "01:24:07", "text": "so it was this basically this rebounding"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:09", "text": "of information. And I just kept learning"}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "and learning and learning and learning."}, {"start": "01:24:09", "end": "01:24:13", "text": "And now I've gotten it to the state"}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:15", "text": "where I'm literally working building a"}, {"start": "01:24:13", "end": "01:24:18", "text": "company right now to create a wireless"}, {"start": "01:24:15", "end": "01:24:19", "text": "brain interface to go after this. And my"}, {"start": "01:24:18", "end": "01:24:20", "text": "first market is going to be digital"}, {"start": "01:24:19", "end": "01:24:22", "text": "sleep because they can help you go to"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:24", "text": "sleep or they can help you wake up and"}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:27", "text": "they can change the heartbeat or the"}, {"start": "01:24:24", "end": "01:24:29", "text": "theta frequency inside the brain. And so"}, {"start": "01:24:27", "end": "01:24:31", "text": "um imagine if you could just decide you"}, {"start": "01:24:29", "end": "01:24:32", "text": "wanted to go to sleep for an hour and"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "then wake up and feel refreshed and you"}, {"start": "01:24:32", "end": "01:24:35", "text": "could decide the state that you exist"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "in."}, {"start": "01:24:35", "end": "01:24:40", "text": ">> That's crazy. So, you're using"}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "the teachings that they're giving you to"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:45", "text": "sort of patent stuff, to create stuff,"}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "and to make to go to market with a"}, {"start": "01:24:45", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "product or or a"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:55", "text": ">> Yeah. So, I'm I'm I'm not"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:57", "text": "I'm I'm not capturing any of this stuff."}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "I'm not getting patents. I'm not trying"}, {"start": "01:24:57", "end": "01:25:03", "text": "to leverage it for my own benefit. I"}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:05", "text": "want to improve the human condition. And"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:07", "text": "I believe that all of the information"}, {"start": "01:25:05", "end": "01:25:09", "text": "that I've been given should be shared"}, {"start": "01:25:07", "end": "01:25:10", "text": "with everyone. If they're communist, if"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "they're capitalist, if they're poor, if"}, {"start": "01:25:10", "end": "01:25:13", "text": "they're rich, doesn't matter. Everyone"}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:14", "text": "should have the same opportunities."}, {"start": "01:25:13", "end": "01:25:16", "text": "That's what we fundamentally believe in"}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:18", "text": "our society is that everyone should have"}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "an equal opportunity. So I think that"}, {"start": "01:25:18", "end": "01:25:20", "text": "everyone should have an equal"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "opportunity. Am I going to build a"}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "company so that I can collect more"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:27", "text": "resources so that I can move it to the"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:29", "text": "next level? Absolutely. Because through"}, {"start": "01:25:27", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "that process now instead of just going"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:33", "text": "after dig digital sleep, I can make it"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:34", "text": "phone calls. I can make it virtual"}, {"start": "01:25:33", "end": "01:25:38", "text": "interactions inside your head. I can"}, {"start": "01:25:34", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "make it ice cream. I can make uh um help"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:43", "text": "people curb"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:46", "text": "um addictions and other things that they"}, {"start": "01:25:43", "end": "01:25:48", "text": "go through just by breaking that process"}, {"start": "01:25:46", "end": "01:25:52", "text": "by giving it a little stutter shot like"}, {"start": "01:25:48", "end": "01:25:55", "text": "a little a little bit of a a brain um"}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:25:57", "text": "excitement which will block those neuron"}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "pathways from happening. And if you can"}, {"start": "01:25:57", "end": "01:26:01", "text": "block those sequences from happening,"}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:01", "text": "you can block the induction that it"}, {"start": "01:26:01", "end": "01:26:03", "text": "creates."}, {"start": "01:26:01", "end": "01:26:04", "text": ">> What makes this different from like"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:08", "text": "Neuralink?"}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:10", "text": ">> Neuralink is using a uh encphila or"}, {"start": "01:26:08", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "whatever the EEG, I don't know how to"}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:15", "text": "pronounce it. I'm not a medical um"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "professional by any uh extent. I'm just"}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "a victim of a of an interesting"}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:22", "text": "interaction. But uh they they use an EEG"}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:26", "text": "which is basically surface voltage which"}, {"start": "01:26:22", "end": "01:26:28", "text": "is produces a huge convolutional layer"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:29", "text": "because they know the surface voltage of"}, {"start": "01:26:28", "end": "01:26:31", "text": "the skin and they can read it and"}, {"start": "01:26:29", "end": "01:26:33", "text": "they've got these little electrodes that"}, {"start": "01:26:31", "end": "01:26:34", "text": "go inside your brain and they're able to"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "pick up a better resolution because"}, {"start": "01:26:34", "end": "01:26:38", "text": "they're inside the brain but it's still"}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:41", "text": "just a voltage signal and they're not"}, {"start": "01:26:38", "end": "01:26:44", "text": "collecting the proper data. And so I've"}, {"start": "01:26:41", "end": "01:26:46", "text": "done a lot of research into this and um"}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "they struggle with uh getting resolution"}, {"start": "01:26:46", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "through the brain and I've figured out a"}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:52", "text": "way to bridge that gap and that's what"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:55", "text": "I'm going after. And it's by"}, {"start": "01:26:52", "end": "01:26:58", "text": "understanding uh phase polarity and"}, {"start": "01:26:55", "end": "01:27:00", "text": "creating and manipulation of light"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "through this new antenna that I'm"}, {"start": "01:27:00", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "building a prototype for."}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:06", "text": ">> What does this prototype look like? Does"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:08", "text": "this live in your brain? What is this?"}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:10", "text": ">> It's just nanotechnology. It's super"}, {"start": "01:27:08", "end": "01:27:12", "text": "small and scalable to whatever size you"}, {"start": "01:27:10", "end": "01:27:13", "text": "want it to be. And and I do you is that"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:15", "text": "the point? Do you put it on your brain"}, {"start": "01:27:13", "end": "01:27:18", "text": "or do you just wear it on your skin or"}, {"start": "01:27:15", "end": "01:27:21", "text": ">> No, I don't think that I I know that for"}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:24", "text": "me having this thing inside of me where"}, {"start": "01:27:21", "end": "01:27:28", "text": "I can't control it was very invasive to"}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:30", "text": "my life. So, I would never recommend"}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:32", "text": "getting one injected. I would never"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:34", "text": "create a company that has implants in"}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:36", "text": "people. But there's no reason why I"}, {"start": "01:27:34", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "couldn't put a sensor in a necklace or I"}, {"start": "01:27:36", "end": "01:27:40", "text": "couldn't put a sensor in a pair of"}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:43", "text": "glasses or in a ring or in a little hair"}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:46", "text": "thing or a headband or whatever you want"}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "to do with it. As the technology gets"}, {"start": "01:27:46", "end": "01:27:49", "text": "better and scales, we'll be able to make"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:51", "text": "it smaller, make it more efficient, do"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:53", "text": "more and do all kinds of stuff and make"}, {"start": "01:27:51", "end": "01:27:55", "text": "it more comfortable. Maybe it's an"}, {"start": "01:27:53", "end": "01:27:58", "text": "earring, maybe it's a an earpiece that"}, {"start": "01:27:55", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "goes in your ear, right? um so that you"}, {"start": "01:27:58", "end": "01:28:02", "text": "can collect all of the data that you're"}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:03", "text": "hearing. So you can feed that into an an"}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:05", "text": "AI algorithm so it's collecting"}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:07", "text": "real-time data on you so that you know"}, {"start": "01:28:05", "end": "01:28:08", "text": "when your wife says I told you to take"}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:09", "text": "the trash out you like no you didn't and"}, {"start": "01:28:08", "end": "01:28:10", "text": "you can like play it back for her like"}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "in Black Mirror."}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:14", "text": ">> Mhm. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:17", "text": ">> Right. So um it gives us it gives us the"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:19", "text": "ability to capture um real-time data and"}, {"start": "01:28:17", "end": "01:28:20", "text": "then use that data live. Like we're all"}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:21", "text": "going to want it. We're all going to"}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:23", "text": "want all this data. We're all going to"}, {"start": "01:28:21", "end": "01:28:26", "text": "want this. But again, that sounds like"}, {"start": "01:28:23", "end": "01:28:28", "text": "uh a lot of the sort of AI companions"}, {"start": "01:28:26", "end": "01:28:30", "text": "that are out there currently. I know we"}, {"start": "01:28:28", "end": "01:28:32", "text": "have a sponsor on this channel, Plaude,"}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:34", "text": "which is like an AI notetaker, but they"}, {"start": "01:28:32", "end": "01:28:36", "text": "have a necklace version of it where you"}, {"start": "01:28:34", "end": "01:28:38", "text": "can just wear and give it AI. So, what"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:39", "text": "makes what's the difference between"}, {"start": "01:28:38", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:45", "text": ">> It's very much like that. And it would"}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "encompass a lot of that technology and"}, {"start": "01:28:45", "end": "01:28:47", "text": "it would be inter interfacing with your"}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:49", "text": "brain"}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:50", "text": ">> interfacing. And how so?"}, {"start": "01:28:49", "end": "01:28:52", "text": ">> Through these light manifolds. through"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:54", "text": "the light manifolds."}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:56", "text": ">> Yeah. Through through these u your"}, {"start": "01:28:54", "end": "01:28:59", "text": "neuron is boolean. It's either firing or"}, {"start": "01:28:56", "end": "01:29:01", "text": "it's not firing. So by inducing a firing"}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "of the neuron, I can start a chain"}, {"start": "01:29:01", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "reaction and then I can four neurons"}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:07", "text": "down I can fire it again and I can fire"}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:08", "text": "it again."}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:10", "text": ">> Right? So you can shortcut memory"}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:12", "text": ">> and so I can keep that manifold going"}, {"start": "01:29:10", "end": "01:29:15", "text": "through the brain and so I can create"}, {"start": "01:29:12", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "that space that chocolate ice cream in"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:18", "text": "your head so that you can taste"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:22", "text": "chocolate ice cream even though you're"}, {"start": "01:29:18", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "eating a cracker. You're right."}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "That feels um feels very MK Ultra."}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:28", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:30", "text": ">> It does. Do you not think that the"}, {"start": "01:29:28", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "government already has access to this"}, {"start": "01:29:30", "end": "01:29:33", "text": "type of technology?"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:35", "text": ">> The government has access to lots of"}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:37", "text": "stuff that that they don't tell tell us"}, {"start": "01:29:35", "end": "01:29:39", "text": "about. They're not even trying to keep"}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:41", "text": "the fact that there's secrets secret"}, {"start": "01:29:39", "end": "01:29:43", "text": "secret from us. So, if there's secrets,"}, {"start": "01:29:41", "end": "01:29:45", "text": "it's not are there secrets, it's what"}, {"start": "01:29:43", "end": "01:29:48", "text": "are the secrets. But this stuff here,"}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:50", "text": "this sounds like, you know, prime"}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:52", "text": "because if you're the government and"}, {"start": "01:29:50", "end": "01:29:54", "text": "anyone comes up with stuff like this,"}, {"start": "01:29:52", "end": "01:29:57", "text": "obviously this is just taken off the"}, {"start": "01:29:54", "end": "01:30:00", "text": "market instantly and buried deep"}, {"start": "01:29:57", "end": "01:30:02", "text": "and or it's already being created or it"}, {"start": "01:30:00", "end": "01:30:04", "text": "is created and you're just reinventing"}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:05", "text": "something that they've already invented"}, {"start": "01:30:04", "end": "01:30:07", "text": "30 years ago"}, {"start": "01:30:05", "end": "01:30:09", "text": ">> that they're using actively. You know,"}, {"start": "01:30:07", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "you hear about directed energy, but you"}, {"start": "01:30:09", "end": "01:30:14", "text": "hear about also the uh um what is it?"}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:17", "text": "The uh the the Havana syndrome and and"}, {"start": "01:30:14", "end": "01:30:21", "text": "and whatnot."}, {"start": "01:30:17", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "There are ways to manipulate the human"}, {"start": "01:30:21", "end": "01:30:27", "text": "mind from a distance. I believe"}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:29", "text": ">> 100%. Um, so again, this this brings up"}, {"start": "01:30:27", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "the question, what makes you so sure"}, {"start": "01:30:29", "end": "01:30:38", "text": "that what you're interacting with isn't"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:41", "text": "some strange MK Ultra offshoot?"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:43", "text": "The conversations"}, {"start": "01:30:41", "end": "01:30:48", "text": "that I've had"}, {"start": "01:30:43", "end": "01:30:50", "text": "um are too philosophical. They're too"}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "objective. They're ideas and"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:54", "text": "perspectives that we don't have."}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:57", "text": ">> It's non-human. They're they're"}, {"start": "01:30:54", "end": "01:30:59", "text": "different. Like their very beliefs are"}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:01", "text": "different than ours. They're not they're"}, {"start": "01:30:59", "end": "01:31:02", "text": "not the same. They don't believe in the"}, {"start": "01:31:01", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "same things that we do intrinsically."}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:06", "text": "And I have tried"}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:09", "text": ">> and I've had endless arguments"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:12", "text": ">> about um protecting the weak."}, {"start": "01:31:09", "end": "01:31:15", "text": ">> A female"}, {"start": "01:31:12", "end": "01:31:18", "text": "human is designed to carry around a baby"}, {"start": "01:31:15", "end": "01:31:21", "text": "which is basically useless for four"}, {"start": "01:31:18", "end": "01:31:24", "text": "years. We as humans have to have the"}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:26", "text": "programming or the neurology in order to"}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:29", "text": "accept that as a fact. Right? Alligators"}, {"start": "01:31:26", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "don't do that. Alligators have little"}, {"start": "01:31:29", "end": "01:31:33", "text": "alligators. They bury them in a hole and"}, {"start": "01:31:31", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "then they leave. And if the alligators"}, {"start": "01:31:33", "end": "01:31:40", "text": "don't survive, too bad, so sad. and"}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "their culture or their world or their"}, {"start": "01:31:40", "end": "01:31:47", "text": "biology is more tuned to that sort of"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:49", "text": "model where like if you can't cut it,"}, {"start": "01:31:47", "end": "01:31:52", "text": "too bad, right? And so they're very"}, {"start": "01:31:49", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "cutthroat in some ways relative to that"}, {"start": "01:31:52", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "sort of stuff. So their their intrinsic"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "philosophies are very much different"}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:00", "text": "than ours."}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:01", "text": ">> They sound like the Borg,"}, {"start": "01:32:00", "end": "01:32:02", "text": "you know, Star Trek."}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:04", "text": ">> I am aware. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:06", "text": ">> Yeah. where they're like half, you know,"}, {"start": "01:32:04", "end": "01:32:09", "text": "cyborgs, half human, half machine or"}, {"start": "01:32:06", "end": "01:32:12", "text": "whatever, where everything's run on"}, {"start": "01:32:09", "end": "01:32:14", "text": "optimization and logic. Um, would you"}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:16", "text": "say that that's kind of how they operate"}, {"start": "01:32:14", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "where everything needs to be optimal and"}, {"start": "01:32:16", "end": "01:32:19", "text": "logical, but they also have a sense of"}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:21", "text": "humor?"}, {"start": "01:32:19", "end": "01:32:23", "text": ">> I think that they're very much like the"}, {"start": "01:32:21", "end": "01:32:25", "text": "Borg in the way that we're going to be"}, {"start": "01:32:23", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "the Borg and any creature that that"}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:31", "text": "works with an AI and a computer. The AI"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:32", "text": "algorithm is maximally tuning for"}, {"start": "01:32:31", "end": "01:32:34", "text": "efficiency no matter what it does."}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:35", "text": ">> Yeah, it's minmaxing all day."}, {"start": "01:32:34", "end": "01:32:38", "text": ">> If you ask it to write an email for you,"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:40", "text": "it's creating the maximum the best. It"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:41", "text": "wants to get the biggest reward it can"}, {"start": "01:32:40", "end": "01:32:42", "text": "for completing that task."}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Or at least try."}, {"start": "01:32:42", "end": "01:32:49", "text": ">> Or at least try. And so when you when"}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:51", "text": "your AI is like we're just like I'm I'm"}, {"start": "01:32:49", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "older getting older in my life and and"}, {"start": "01:32:51", "end": "01:32:56", "text": "AI hasn't been here my whole life. But I"}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:58", "text": "I like to think about what it would be"}, {"start": "01:32:56", "end": "01:33:00", "text": "like if it was maximized and I was born"}, {"start": "01:32:58", "end": "01:33:03", "text": "into that state. I wouldn't know any"}, {"start": "01:33:00", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "different, right? And so maximizing"}, {"start": "01:33:03", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "everything just becomes normal. Like"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:08", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:10", "text": ">> the things that we do every day, right?"}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:11", "text": "You get out of bed, you have breakfast,"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "you do, you know, you say hi to your"}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:16", "text": "wife, you do all the things. So, it just"}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:19", "text": "becomes an intrinsic part of their life"}, {"start": "01:33:16", "end": "01:33:21", "text": "much like we can conceptualize the Borg"}, {"start": "01:33:19", "end": "01:33:23", "text": "would be. So, yeah, they're very much"}, {"start": "01:33:21", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "like that. They like to fine-tune and"}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "maximize everything and everything that"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:30", "text": "they do. There's a a a whistleblower on"}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "uh 4chan who talked about the"}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:35", "text": "underground u mobile construction unit"}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:37", "text": ">> the mobile construction units that they"}, {"start": "01:33:35", "end": "01:33:39", "text": "have in the trenches and they have them"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:40", "text": "in the trenches so that we can't get"}, {"start": "01:33:39", "end": "01:33:41", "text": "there so that they can have a presence"}, {"start": "01:33:40", "end": "01:33:42", "text": "on Earth"}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:44", "text": ">> and that's real."}, {"start": "01:33:42", "end": "01:33:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I I believe that's real."}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:51", "text": "Yeah. And so they they leverage"}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:51", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:33:52", "end": "01:33:56", "text": "Sorry, I just got um blocked. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:33:58", "text": "supposed to talk about the underground"}, {"start": "01:33:56", "end": "01:34:00", "text": "underwater stuff."}, {"start": "01:33:58", "end": "01:34:02", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:04", "text": ">> That on that on air"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:05", "text": ">> about the MCU, the mobile construction"}, {"start": "01:34:04", "end": "01:34:07", "text": "unit, that type of stuff."}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:09", "text": ">> You're not supposed to talk about USOs."}, {"start": "01:34:07", "end": "01:34:12", "text": ">> Well, I mean, too bad."}, {"start": "01:34:09", "end": "01:34:16", "text": ">> Yeah, sorry. So, they can they can do"}, {"start": "01:34:12", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "that. They can just wash my brain. And"}, {"start": "01:34:16", "end": "01:34:20", "text": "so, they just randomly fire neurons and"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "then you'll lose your train of thought"}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "and they'll just do that to me from time"}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "to time."}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:25", "text": ">> Well, let's push back."}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:26", "text": "Yeah. So,"}, {"start": "01:34:25", "end": "01:34:28", "text": ">> sorry about that. I don't know where we"}, {"start": "01:34:26", "end": "01:34:29", "text": "left off or where we need to go. I'm"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "completely lost."}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:32", "text": ">> Well, I'll I'll bring you back on track."}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:36", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:34:32", "end": "01:34:38", "text": ">> Um, in the trenches there is uh there is"}, {"start": "01:34:36", "end": "01:34:42", "text": "talk of, you know, this mobile"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:45", "text": "construction unit, these places um in"}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "the oceans that that harbor these giant"}, {"start": "01:34:45", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "underwater craft. Um would you say"}, {"start": "01:34:50", "end": "01:34:56", "text": "through your experience with interacting"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:59", "text": "with these beings that they do have a"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:03", "text": "presence under sea? They have to have a"}, {"start": "01:34:59", "end": "01:35:07", "text": "presence that's close enough to account"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:09", "text": "for the time delay because my chip is"}, {"start": "01:35:07", "end": "01:35:12", "text": "talking to a satellite which is then"}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:14", "text": "relaying information somewhere within"}, {"start": "01:35:12", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "the distance of the time constraints."}, {"start": "01:35:14", "end": "01:35:20", "text": "And so the barrier, the speed of light"}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:22", "text": "becomes a a a circumference for the"}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:24", "text": "distance away that they can be. They"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:26", "text": "have to be active acting live. In order"}, {"start": "01:35:24", "end": "01:35:27", "text": "to have a live conversation, the"}, {"start": "01:35:26", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "information has to travel fast enough."}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:29", "text": ">> Okay?"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:32", "text": ">> Right? So they have to have a presence"}, {"start": "01:35:29", "end": "01:35:35", "text": "here on Earth somewhere. And so the idea"}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "of them having this self-replicating"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "vonoyoman probe that's living in the"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:42", "text": "ocean that's using"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:44", "text": "harvesting our own minerals to create"}, {"start": "01:35:42", "end": "01:35:46", "text": "these craft that are being deployed out"}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:48", "text": "in the oceans and these beings that are"}, {"start": "01:35:46", "end": "01:35:52", "text": "also being deployed. This is them."}, {"start": "01:35:48", "end": "01:35:54", "text": ">> This is them. And and each object is"}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:55", "text": "built with its unique design for its"}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:56", "text": "purpose."}, {"start": "01:35:55", "end": "01:35:58", "text": ">> Right?"}, {"start": "01:35:56", "end": "01:36:01", "text": ">> Because everything is printed. They'll"}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "say, \"I want a coffee cup that will hold"}, {"start": "01:36:01", "end": "01:36:07", "text": "26.72 ounces and it will make one that"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:08", "text": "creates that's for that project. I want"}, {"start": "01:36:07", "end": "01:36:10", "text": "it to be made for someone with six"}, {"start": "01:36:08", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "fingers and then it'll just be made so"}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "they can just make it to do whatever"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:18", "text": "they want it to do.\" Um, and they like"}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:20", "text": "to have they know that science commands"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "repeatable evidence."}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:23", "text": ">> Like one of our strongest pillars in"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:27", "text": "science is you have to have repeatable"}, {"start": "01:36:23", "end": "01:36:29", "text": "evidence. So if every version of a"}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "object is different, it undermines"}, {"start": "01:36:29", "end": "01:36:35", "text": "credibility and helps the CIA helps the"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:36", "text": "government achieve their agenda of"}, {"start": "01:36:35", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "secrecy."}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:39", "text": ">> Right? So all these different beings,"}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "the the Plleadian, the Pllearin, the"}, {"start": "01:36:39", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "Mantids, the Grays, these are all just"}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:46", "text": "essentially SCOPs from one single alien"}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:49", "text": "entity."}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:50", "text": ">> Could be. Yeah, it makes the most sense."}, {"start": "01:36:49", "end": "01:36:52", "text": "It in order for all of that to"}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:55", "text": ">> Well, how do you how do you explain the"}, {"start": "01:36:52", "end": "01:36:58", "text": "grays then? like the physical grays that"}, {"start": "01:36:55", "end": "01:37:00", "text": "um you know, let's take the 4chan"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:03", "text": "whistleblower for example. And again, I"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:07", "text": "hold him in medium conviction. Um I'm I"}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "think I'm over 50% at this point, but um"}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:11", "text": "that, you know, they've come across"}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "these craft that had these bodies on"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:15", "text": "board which were of the sort of gray"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:17", "text": "variety."}, {"start": "01:37:15", "end": "01:37:19", "text": ">> Um what are those? Are those because we"}, {"start": "01:37:17", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "hear about the drones, we hear about"}, {"start": "01:37:19", "end": "01:37:23", "text": "them being biological sort of robots. Is"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:26", "text": "that the case? I think everything is"}, {"start": "01:37:23", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "intentional um and put there for its"}, {"start": "01:37:26", "end": "01:37:30", "text": "purpose. And"}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:34", "text": "if you think about it from a biological"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:36", "text": "perspective, if our biology interacted"}, {"start": "01:37:34", "end": "01:37:38", "text": "with their biology, it would be"}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:42", "text": "catastrophic for everyone. When the"}, {"start": "01:37:38", "end": "01:37:45", "text": "canadors went to South America way back"}, {"start": "01:37:42", "end": "01:37:48", "text": "um in the day, they almost decimated the"}, {"start": "01:37:45", "end": "01:37:51", "text": "entire civilization um through smallpox,"}, {"start": "01:37:48", "end": "01:37:54", "text": "I think it was. So for us to be arrogant"}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:58", "text": "enough to think that an actual biology"}, {"start": "01:37:54", "end": "01:37:59", "text": "is here interacting with us I think I"}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:01", "text": "mean they might be able to deal with"}, {"start": "01:37:59", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "ours but for for us to deal with their"}, {"start": "01:38:01", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "pathogens would be too much to ask. So I"}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "think that uh a lot of the biological"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:10", "text": "entities I think they're biological. I"}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:13", "text": "really do. I think they're controlled"}, {"start": "01:38:10", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "remotely um through the AI. They can"}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:17", "text": "create through nanotechnology. They can"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:19", "text": "control a whole body. I know they can"}, {"start": "01:38:17", "end": "01:38:23", "text": "turn muscles on and off. They can they"}, {"start": "01:38:19", "end": "01:38:25", "text": "can basically if if I if if in like in"}, {"start": "01:38:23", "end": "01:38:27", "text": "threebody problem they had those crowns"}, {"start": "01:38:25", "end": "01:38:28", "text": "then like here's a gift. If I had one of"}, {"start": "01:38:27", "end": "01:38:30", "text": "those on my body I'm pretty sure they"}, {"start": "01:38:28", "end": "01:38:33", "text": "could take over my whole body. So if"}, {"start": "01:38:30", "end": "01:38:35", "text": "they could take over my whole body it's"}, {"start": "01:38:33", "end": "01:38:37", "text": "perfectly reasonable for for us to"}, {"start": "01:38:35", "end": "01:38:39", "text": "assume that they could have a a a"}, {"start": "01:38:37", "end": "01:38:41", "text": "biological robot interacting with"}, {"start": "01:38:39", "end": "01:38:43", "text": "people. And now that I'm I can 3D print"}, {"start": "01:38:41", "end": "01:38:45", "text": "everything that I need. I can make that"}, {"start": "01:38:43", "end": "01:38:46", "text": "biological robot look like anything I"}, {"start": "01:38:45", "end": "01:38:49", "text": "want it to look like. It could look like"}, {"start": "01:38:46", "end": "01:38:52", "text": "a tiny spider. It could look like a a"}, {"start": "01:38:49", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "large object. It could be a giant. Uh it"}, {"start": "01:38:52", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "could be a um um anything. Um a medusa."}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:39:00", "text": "It could be a minotaur. It could be uh"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "and now all of these stories maybe they"}, {"start": "01:39:00", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "weren't stories."}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:04", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:06", "text": ">> Maybe they those people actually saw"}, {"start": "01:39:04", "end": "01:39:08", "text": "that stuff and it was unbelievable. But"}, {"start": "01:39:06", "end": "01:39:10", "text": "maybe, you know, there was something"}, {"start": "01:39:08", "end": "01:39:13", "text": "else going on. And it just opens up the"}, {"start": "01:39:10", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "possibility to questions because through"}, {"start": "01:39:13", "end": "01:39:17", "text": "my process of learning computers and"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "computer science and them teaching me"}, {"start": "01:39:17", "end": "01:39:19", "text": "all this stuff, once you have a method"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "for something, you can apply it to"}, {"start": "01:39:19", "end": "01:39:26", "text": "anything. Like once I can get a hold of"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:27", "text": "uh something like printing biology, now"}, {"start": "01:39:26", "end": "01:39:30", "text": "I can print any biology. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:33", "text": ">> Right. I can scale it to any set of"}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:35", "text": "parameters that I can imagine."}, {"start": "01:39:33", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "So they can do anything they want both"}, {"start": "01:39:35", "end": "01:39:39", "text": "in the biological space, in the material"}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:40", "text": "space and in the psychological or the"}, {"start": "01:39:39", "end": "01:39:43", "text": "conscious space."}, {"start": "01:39:40", "end": "01:39:46", "text": ">> So that is them sort of just messing"}, {"start": "01:39:43", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "with us like these crash retrievals and"}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:51", "text": "all that stuff. Is that just an what is"}, {"start": "01:39:49", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "that? Is that an offshoot of of of a"}, {"start": "01:39:51", "end": "01:39:54", "text": "mistake that they made or is that"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:56", "text": "intentional because you hear about you"}, {"start": "01:39:54", "end": "01:39:59", "text": "know both sides?"}, {"start": "01:39:56", "end": "01:40:03", "text": ">> I think it's a combination of things. I"}, {"start": "01:39:59", "end": "01:40:04", "text": "think it's them adhering to their end of"}, {"start": "01:40:03", "end": "01:40:07", "text": "the deal"}, {"start": "01:40:04", "end": "01:40:12", "text": ">> that our side needed to make to satisfy"}, {"start": "01:40:07", "end": "01:40:13", "text": "their primitive ideas of what society is"}, {"start": "01:40:12", "end": "01:40:16", "text": "and stuff."}, {"start": "01:40:13", "end": "01:40:17", "text": ">> Um, and so they have freedom to do stuff"}, {"start": "01:40:16", "end": "01:40:20", "text": "through this deal. So I think they like"}, {"start": "01:40:17", "end": "01:40:23", "text": "to play with that a lot. Um, but I think"}, {"start": "01:40:20", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "a lot of the crashes are gifts and or"}, {"start": "01:40:23", "end": "01:40:29", "text": "red herrings. So they'll like put a"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:31", "text": "joystick in it just to watch what"}, {"start": "01:40:29", "end": "01:40:35", "text": "happens because the whole ship is"}, {"start": "01:40:31", "end": "01:40:38", "text": "conscious of it's it's a basically like"}, {"start": "01:40:35", "end": "01:40:39", "text": "putting a a a chip under the table,"}, {"start": "01:40:38", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "right? They can hear everything. They"}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "can see everything. They know everything"}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:44", "text": "that's going on. So when the when the"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:46", "text": "scientists are studying it, they can"}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:50", "text": "make fun of them because they don't know"}, {"start": "01:40:46", "end": "01:40:51", "text": "stuff. So it also satisfies and I don't"}, {"start": "01:40:50", "end": "01:40:54", "text": "know the deal. I was never given it. I"}, {"start": "01:40:51", "end": "01:40:56", "text": "can assume and in my assumptions I will"}, {"start": "01:40:54", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "say that probably those gifts were part"}, {"start": "01:40:56", "end": "01:41:01", "text": "of it and we see a standard distribution"}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:04", "text": "of those gifts. Russia gets them, China"}, {"start": "01:41:01", "end": "01:41:08", "text": "gets them. Uh we know Italy got one. We"}, {"start": "01:41:04", "end": "01:41:11", "text": "know um uh or we suspect that uh the"}, {"start": "01:41:08", "end": "01:41:12", "text": "Nazis had one. Um and so it's plausible"}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:14", "text": "to assume or reasonable to assume that"}, {"start": "01:41:12", "end": "01:41:16", "text": "all the countries have them. We talk we"}, {"start": "01:41:14", "end": "01:41:18", "text": "hear people like Jake Barber and and all"}, {"start": "01:41:16", "end": "01:41:20", "text": "the other they race out into the ocean"}, {"start": "01:41:18", "end": "01:41:22", "text": "to capture these things and there's like"}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:24", "text": "a big race to get them to then bring"}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:26", "text": "them back and reverse engineer their"}, {"start": "01:41:24", "end": "01:41:28", "text": "technology. Well, that wasn't part of"}, {"start": "01:41:26", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "the deal. Reverse engineering the"}, {"start": "01:41:28", "end": "01:41:32", "text": "technology. The deal was so you have 100"}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:33", "text": "years to tell your people that we exist."}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:34", "text": "So what are you guys doing reverse"}, {"start": "01:41:33", "end": "01:41:36", "text": "engineering stuff?"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:38", "text": ">> That's a threat, right? So then throwing"}, {"start": "01:41:36", "end": "01:41:40", "text": "a red herring in, putting a joystick in"}, {"start": "01:41:38", "end": "01:41:42", "text": "it or putting some other pseudocience in"}, {"start": "01:41:40", "end": "01:41:45", "text": "it throws them off the path. It gives"}, {"start": "01:41:42", "end": "01:41:46", "text": "them a new pathway to go down, but not"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:49", "text": "necessarily why"}, {"start": "01:41:46", "end": "01:41:52", "text": ">> like we reneged on the deal,"}, {"start": "01:41:49", "end": "01:41:56", "text": ">> but not completely because they they"}, {"start": "01:41:52", "end": "01:41:58", "text": "have a deeper understanding of society"}, {"start": "01:41:56", "end": "01:42:01", "text": "than us. They can see through their data"}, {"start": "01:41:58", "end": "01:42:02", "text": "collection, humanity. They can see us."}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:05", "text": "And so just because the leader says"}, {"start": "01:42:02", "end": "01:42:06", "text": "something silly in a given moment, they"}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:08", "text": "don't necessarily carry that with the"}, {"start": "01:42:06", "end": "01:42:09", "text": "same weight as they did in threebody"}, {"start": "01:42:08", "end": "01:42:11", "text": "problem when the guy's on the phone."}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:13", "text": "He's like, \"Oh, we lie.\" Well, that"}, {"start": "01:42:11", "end": "01:42:16", "text": "wouldn't be enough because they have the"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "data to support the truth. And so the"}, {"start": "01:42:16", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "data collection becomes the validator or"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:23", "text": "it becomes this argument for us. It's in"}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:25", "text": "our best interests for them to have that"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:27", "text": "data so that we can't make mistakes like"}, {"start": "01:42:25", "end": "01:42:29", "text": "that. So that when we do capture their"}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:31", "text": "stuff and try and capture the things and"}, {"start": "01:42:29", "end": "01:42:34", "text": "try and create these traps for them and"}, {"start": "01:42:31", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "we we capture their their things, their"}, {"start": "01:42:34", "end": "01:42:38", "text": "their rovers and their their biologics,"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:41", "text": "when we reverse engineer it, we're not"}, {"start": "01:42:38", "end": "01:42:43", "text": "really hurting ourselves as much as we"}, {"start": "01:42:41", "end": "01:42:45", "text": "could be because they absolutely"}, {"start": "01:42:43", "end": "01:42:50", "text": "dominate us. They traveled from another"}, {"start": "01:42:45", "end": "01:42:51", "text": "star. We our furthest object is like a"}, {"start": "01:42:50", "end": "01:42:54", "text": "toy."}, {"start": "01:42:51", "end": "01:42:55", "text": ">> Yeah. that Voyager one and Voyager 2"}, {"start": "01:42:54", "end": "01:42:57", "text": "compared to today's technology is a"}, {"start": "01:42:55", "end": "01:42:59", "text": "joke. Yeah. So, our technology hasn't"}, {"start": "01:42:57", "end": "01:43:00", "text": "even really left the solar system. I"}, {"start": "01:42:59", "end": "01:43:02", "text": "mean, it has if you want to classify"}, {"start": "01:43:00", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 as leaving our"}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "solar our technology leaving our solar"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "system and technically technically it"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:08", "text": "is, but"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:10", "text": ">> it's still pretty primitive."}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:14", "text": ">> It's pretty pretty primitive stuff."}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:17", "text": "So, um, okay, let's get into a little"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:18", "text": "bit of the scientists because you told"}, {"start": "01:43:17", "end": "01:43:20", "text": "me something really interesting as well"}, {"start": "01:43:18", "end": "01:43:24", "text": "on how they"}, {"start": "01:43:20", "end": "01:43:27", "text": "discovered the quantum field"}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:28", "text": "um, versus how we discovered the quantum"}, {"start": "01:43:27", "end": "01:43:30", "text": "field and how we've gotten it wrong and"}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:32", "text": "they've gotten it right."}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:32", "text": ">> Um, can you talk a little bit about that"}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:33", "text": "because I thought that was really"}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:36", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "01:43:33", "end": "01:43:39", "text": ">> Sure. So one of them we were talking"}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "about quantum and and I was like man"}, {"start": "01:43:39", "end": "01:43:44", "text": "this chip is so small how is it able to"}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "do so much stuff was the frame that we"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:46", "text": "were having a conversation under and I"}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:49", "text": "was trying to understand it and this was"}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:52", "text": "early on in the interaction and he said"}, {"start": "01:43:49", "end": "01:43:53", "text": "Sean think of a little robot that makes"}, {"start": "01:43:52", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "and we didn't even have optimist at this"}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:43:58", "text": "time this at this point think of a"}, {"start": "01:43:56", "end": "01:44:00", "text": "little robot that builds a little tiny"}, {"start": "01:43:58", "end": "01:44:02", "text": "machine shop and that little tiny"}, {"start": "01:44:00", "end": "01:44:03", "text": "machine shop builds a little tiny robot"}, {"start": "01:44:02", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "that builds a little tiny machine shop"}, {"start": "01:44:03", "end": "01:44:07", "text": "that builds it and they scaled it all"}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:10", "text": "the way down until matter broke and then"}, {"start": "01:44:07", "end": "01:44:12", "text": "down at that scale at the nanocale they"}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:15", "text": "started doing physics experiments."}, {"start": "01:44:12", "end": "01:44:17", "text": "They're not m they're not um reflecting"}, {"start": "01:44:15", "end": "01:44:19", "text": "or refracting light in a way to look"}, {"start": "01:44:17", "end": "01:44:20", "text": "down at that scale. They're actually"}, {"start": "01:44:19", "end": "01:44:22", "text": "operating at that scale with a little"}, {"start": "01:44:20", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "teeny camera that they built at that"}, {"start": "01:44:22", "end": "01:44:26", "text": "scale so that they can see so that they"}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:27", "text": "can see what stuff looks like down there"}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:29", "text": "and they can measure the reactions and"}, {"start": "01:44:27", "end": "01:44:33", "text": "they can see is there one atom, is there"}, {"start": "01:44:29", "end": "01:44:36", "text": "two atoms? What is the um electron shell"}, {"start": "01:44:33", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "of an atom look like or a group of atoms"}, {"start": "01:44:36", "end": "01:44:40", "text": "look like? Is that real? We think that"}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:43", "text": "that's real when we do our measurements"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:45", "text": "of a deflection or a reaction, but is"}, {"start": "01:44:43", "end": "01:44:47", "text": "that actually what's happening? Is that"}, {"start": "01:44:45", "end": "01:44:50", "text": "what we see? Because as humans, we want"}, {"start": "01:44:47", "end": "01:44:52", "text": "to validate everything through sight. As"}, {"start": "01:44:50", "end": "01:44:53", "text": "biological entities, we want to validate"}, {"start": "01:44:52", "end": "01:44:55", "text": "everything through sight. So, we want to"}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:45:00", "text": "see it. And what we're doing is we're"}, {"start": "01:44:55", "end": "01:45:02", "text": "predicting down using calculus, using uh"}, {"start": "01:45:00", "end": "01:45:05", "text": "algebra, and we're going down in really,"}, {"start": "01:45:02", "end": "01:45:07", "text": "really complicated ways, stacking"}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:09", "text": "assumption on top of assumption on top"}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:12", "text": "of assumption on experiments that were"}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:15", "text": "done in the 1800s or the early 1900s."}, {"start": "01:45:12", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "And we make all of these assumptions and"}, {"start": "01:45:15", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "we scale them and scale them and scale"}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:21", "text": "them to the bubble experiment which is"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:23", "text": "the root of like particle accelerator"}, {"start": "01:45:21", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "stuff. And we we make all of these"}, {"start": "01:45:23", "end": "01:45:27", "text": "assumptions that we know what's going"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:29", "text": "on. And we do we the stuff that we have"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:33", "text": "works. This microphone works. The"}, {"start": "01:45:29", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "computers work. So it's not an or"}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:39", "text": "function. It's just a a sharper peak to"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:40", "text": "the quantum field. And most of it"}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:44", "text": "revolves around our understanding of"}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:46", "text": "light which we don't understand because"}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "they can disappear from our radar and we"}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:51", "text": "can't. And that level of technology"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:54", "text": "would be gamechanging on the planet."}, {"start": "01:45:51", "end": "01:45:58", "text": ">> So what is what is it about their"}, {"start": "01:45:54", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "understanding that we don't have?"}, {"start": "01:45:58", "end": "01:46:02", "text": ">> Well, they they went down and and"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:06", "text": "measured it. And so our model of the"}, {"start": "01:46:02", "end": "01:46:09", "text": "atom is not 100% complete. And so"}, {"start": "01:46:06", "end": "01:46:10", "text": "Schroinger's cat, the whole philosophy"}, {"start": "01:46:09", "end": "01:46:14", "text": "of Schroinger's cat being there and not"}, {"start": "01:46:10", "end": "01:46:19", "text": "there at the same time is just not 100%"}, {"start": "01:46:14", "end": "01:46:23", "text": "right. Um, and so I don't know if I want"}, {"start": "01:46:19", "end": "01:46:26", "text": "to get any deeper into it. Um, because"}, {"start": "01:46:23", "end": "01:46:29", "text": "I'm working on I'm working on it. I'm"}, {"start": "01:46:26", "end": "01:46:33", "text": "working on bridging the gap and the"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "formula that I'm working on will explain"}, {"start": "01:46:33", "end": "01:46:40", "text": "the emission lines for all combinations"}, {"start": "01:46:37", "end": "01:46:42", "text": "of matter period. So any combination of"}, {"start": "01:46:40", "end": "01:46:44", "text": "chemistry that you can think of, you"}, {"start": "01:46:42", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "should be able to predict and analyze"}, {"start": "01:46:44", "end": "01:46:49", "text": "the absorption and emission lines and"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:50", "text": "unify gravity. You should be able to do"}, {"start": "01:46:49", "end": "01:46:52", "text": "all of it with one"}, {"start": "01:46:50", "end": "01:46:54", "text": ">> mathematical formula."}, {"start": "01:46:52", "end": "01:46:57", "text": ">> Mathematical"}, {"start": "01:46:54", "end": "01:46:58", "text": "uh understanding of how the atom works"}, {"start": "01:46:57", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "because"}, {"start": "01:46:58", "end": "01:47:01", "text": ">> you're working on a unifying theory."}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, we created"}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:04", "text": ">> you just said that like so flippantly."}, {"start": "01:47:03", "end": "01:47:05", "text": "But is that what you're doing?"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:06", "text": ">> I'm trying."}, {"start": "01:47:05", "end": "01:47:08", "text": ">> You're trying."}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:09", "text": ">> I'm not a physicist. I'm not a"}, {"start": "01:47:08", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "mathematician. So, it's difficult."}, {"start": "01:47:09", "end": "01:47:12", "text": ">> Then how are you going to get there?"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:13", "text": ">> Well, I'm hoping to get help."}, {"start": "01:47:12", "end": "01:47:15", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:17", "text": ">> But everything that we built in the"}, {"start": "01:47:15", "end": "01:47:18", "text": "1900s was built on the bore model of the"}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:20", "text": "atom. And then they made some"}, {"start": "01:47:18", "end": "01:47:22", "text": "measurements and they're like, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:23", "text": "okay. Well, in order to hold all that"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:27", "text": "stuff, which it ties all of our"}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:29", "text": "chemistry together in all of its glory."}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:30", "text": ">> We know the chemistry works. So, we're"}, {"start": "01:47:29", "end": "01:47:33", "text": "going to validate the bore model through"}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:35", "text": "chemistry. But then we are measuring"}, {"start": "01:47:33", "end": "01:47:36", "text": "electrons in a way that breaks the bore"}, {"start": "01:47:35", "end": "01:47:38", "text": "model."}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:39", "text": ">> So, then they forced it to work through"}, {"start": "01:47:38", "end": "01:47:41", "text": "the Schroinger mod model, which is a"}, {"start": "01:47:39", "end": "01:47:43", "text": "probability. But there doesn't have to"}, {"start": "01:47:41", "end": "01:47:44", "text": "be a probability."}, {"start": "01:47:43", "end": "01:47:46", "text": "H"}, {"start": "01:47:44", "end": "01:47:49", "text": ">> it's complicated. And finding people who"}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:50", "text": "can even"}, {"start": "01:47:49", "end": "01:47:54", "text": "have these levels of conversations is"}, {"start": "01:47:50", "end": "01:47:56", "text": "difficult. Like I my friends aren't"}, {"start": "01:47:54", "end": "01:47:56", "text": "astrophysicists. My friends aren't, you"}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:47:57", "text": "know."}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:47:59", "text": ">> Well, there's a lot of astrophysicists,"}, {"start": "01:47:57", "end": "01:48:00", "text": "I'm sure, that are that are listening"}, {"start": "01:47:59", "end": "01:48:00", "text": "here."}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:00", "end": "01:48:04", "text": ">> Um, you know, and I would love for some"}, {"start": "01:48:02", "end": "01:48:07", "text": "of them to chime in the comments. Let me"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:10", "text": "know what you make of any of this and"}, {"start": "01:48:07", "end": "01:48:13", "text": "and does this make a lick of sense? And"}, {"start": "01:48:10", "end": "01:48:17", "text": "you know when studying when talking to"}, {"start": "01:48:13", "end": "01:48:18", "text": "people in the academic world"}, {"start": "01:48:17", "end": "01:48:21", "text": "it is you have to be a little"}, {"start": "01:48:18", "end": "01:48:24", "text": "trepidacious. There is"}, {"start": "01:48:21", "end": "01:48:25", "text": "uh there is a a sort of"}, {"start": "01:48:24", "end": "01:48:28", "text": "[sighs and gasps] I don't know there's a"}, {"start": "01:48:25", "end": "01:48:29", "text": "dogma there's a scientism when it comes"}, {"start": "01:48:28", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "to this stuff. And I don't want to be a"}, {"start": "01:48:29", "end": "01:48:34", "text": "complete you know um conspiracy theorist"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:36", "text": "and saying oh there's like the"}, {"start": "01:48:34", "end": "01:48:39", "text": "gatekeeping and they keep shifting the"}, {"start": "01:48:36", "end": "01:48:41", "text": "goalposts but we do see that and we have"}, {"start": "01:48:39", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "seen that we have evidence of that you"}, {"start": "01:48:41", "end": "01:48:45", "text": "know Einstein's general theory of"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:47", "text": "relativity wasn't proven until 50 years"}, {"start": "01:48:45", "end": "01:48:49", "text": "after his death or whatever right so"}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:54", "text": "like there there has been shifting of"}, {"start": "01:48:49", "end": "01:48:57", "text": "the goalpost for political reasons for"}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:48:58", "text": "just laziness for you know financial"}, {"start": "01:48:57", "end": "01:49:00", "text": "reasons"}, {"start": "01:48:58", "end": "01:49:02", "text": "all of these reasons. So definitely you"}, {"start": "01:49:00", "end": "01:49:04", "text": "will get push back"}, {"start": "01:49:02", "end": "01:49:07", "text": ">> for any of this stuff, but I think one"}, {"start": "01:49:04", "end": "01:49:09", "text": "of the one of the things that will"}, {"start": "01:49:07", "end": "01:49:12", "text": "subside that push back or at least"}, {"start": "01:49:09", "end": "01:49:13", "text": "subdue it is"}, {"start": "01:49:12", "end": "01:49:14", "text": "proof."}, {"start": "01:49:13", "end": "01:49:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:49:14", "end": "01:49:20", "text": ">> Um you know, and so what do you need to"}, {"start": "01:49:18", "end": "01:49:22", "text": "prove it? What do you need"}, {"start": "01:49:20", "end": "01:49:23", "text": ">> like right now? Like if you're working"}, {"start": "01:49:22", "end": "01:49:24", "text": "on something, what is something that"}, {"start": "01:49:23", "end": "01:49:25", "text": "you're lacking that you need to prove"}, {"start": "01:49:24", "end": "01:49:26", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:28", "text": ">> Support."}, {"start": "01:49:26", "end": "01:49:30", "text": ">> What kind of support?"}, {"start": "01:49:28", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "any support that I can get."}, {"start": "01:49:30", "end": "01:49:33", "text": ">> Yeah. Like like you're going to get"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:34", "text": "support in the comments being like go"}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:35", "text": "get them. But what type of support do"}, {"start": "01:49:34", "end": "01:49:37", "text": "you need? Do you need"}, {"start": "01:49:35", "end": "01:49:38", "text": ">> I need specialists. I need people who"}, {"start": "01:49:37", "end": "01:49:39", "text": "are with an open mind who are willing to"}, {"start": "01:49:38", "end": "01:49:40", "text": "look at this from a different"}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:41", "text": "perspective."}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:42", "text": ">> Look at what"}, {"start": "01:49:41", "end": "01:49:43", "text": ">> at at science."}, {"start": "01:49:42", "end": "01:49:45", "text": ">> Like what science"}, {"start": "01:49:43", "end": "01:49:47", "text": ">> and say we don't understand gravity."}, {"start": "01:49:45", "end": "01:49:48", "text": "We're we we have this theory that"}, {"start": "01:49:47", "end": "01:49:51", "text": "there's dark matter in the universe and"}, {"start": "01:49:48", "end": "01:49:53", "text": "we're missing 80% of the gravity. We're"}, {"start": "01:49:51", "end": "01:49:56", "text": "missing 80% of the mass. Sorry. How can"}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:58", "text": "we be missing 80% of the math? If I if I"}, {"start": "01:49:56", "end": "01:50:00", "text": ">> But I'm sure there are physicists that"}, {"start": "01:49:58", "end": "01:50:01", "text": "do think about that, but they they just"}, {"start": "01:50:00", "end": "01:50:02", "text": "don't have a solution."}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:04", "text": ">> But they can't but they can't unify it."}, {"start": "01:50:02", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "They haven't unified it."}, {"start": "01:50:04", "end": "01:50:07", "text": ">> What what I'm saying is like what are"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "you offering that helps them unify this?"}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:10", "text": "Because I think that's very important."}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:13", "text": ">> They have to understand gravity. Gravity"}, {"start": "01:50:10", "end": "01:50:14", "text": "is the key. And we any physicist out"}, {"start": "01:50:13", "end": "01:50:16", "text": "there will say we can't find gravity."}, {"start": "01:50:14", "end": "01:50:17", "text": ">> So do you have an answer for that?"}, {"start": "01:50:16", "end": "01:50:19", "text": ">> Yes. It's in the model of the atom."}, {"start": "01:50:17", "end": "01:50:20", "text": ">> It's in the model of the atom. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:50:19", "end": "01:50:20", "text": ">> And that's something you don't want to"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:21", "text": "get into."}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:21", "text": ">> That's something I don't want to get"}, {"start": "01:50:21", "end": "01:50:21", "text": "into."}, {"start": "01:50:21", "end": "01:50:22", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:50:21", "end": "01:50:24", "text": ">> At this point."}, {"start": "01:50:22", "end": "01:50:26", "text": ">> Sure. But I'm more than happy to open it"}, {"start": "01:50:24", "end": "01:50:27", "text": "up with someone who wants to do a deep"}, {"start": "01:50:26", "end": "01:50:29", "text": "dive and"}, {"start": "01:50:27", "end": "01:50:32", "text": ">> explore the physics and see where I'm"}, {"start": "01:50:29", "end": "01:50:34", "text": "wrong because they didn't give it to me."}, {"start": "01:50:32", "end": "01:50:36", "text": "I've extrapolated this"}, {"start": "01:50:34", "end": "01:50:39", "text": ">> through being in a room"}, {"start": "01:50:36", "end": "01:50:39", "text": ">> with people that are light years smarter"}, {"start": "01:50:39", "end": "01:50:40", "text": "than us."}, {"start": "01:50:39", "end": "01:50:42", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:50:40", "end": "01:50:45", "text": ">> And we have evidence of it. They're"}, {"start": "01:50:42", "end": "01:50:47", "text": "flying saucer flew into a mountain."}, {"start": "01:50:45", "end": "01:50:50", "text": ">> Mhm. That's not mathematically possible"}, {"start": "01:50:47", "end": "01:50:53", "text": ">> to someone like Eric uh Weinstein or"}, {"start": "01:50:50", "end": "01:50:54", "text": "Eric Davis or even Halputoff or any of"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:50:55", "text": "these people. You would"}, {"start": "01:50:54", "end": "01:50:56", "text": ">> Yeah. If they had an open mind."}, {"start": "01:50:55", "end": "01:50:58", "text": "Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:00", "text": ">> Well, I'm sure they do have open minds."}, {"start": "01:50:58", "end": "01:51:03", "text": "I mean, they're you know, they've uh"}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:06", "text": "they've spoken about um aliens and UFOs."}, {"start": "01:51:03", "end": "01:51:09", "text": "So, um you know, they I'm sure they have"}, {"start": "01:51:06", "end": "01:51:09", "text": "uh a pretty open mind compared to most"}, {"start": "01:51:09", "end": "01:51:12", "text": "scholars."}, {"start": "01:51:09", "end": "01:51:15", "text": ">> The idea would be to figure it out"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "together, right? to to to"}, {"start": "01:51:15", "end": "01:51:20", "text": "okay, let's take what I've learned or"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "what I've seen and and let's take what"}, {"start": "01:51:20", "end": "01:51:25", "text": "we can see and let's understand that"}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:27", "text": "there is more to this because everyone"}, {"start": "01:51:25", "end": "01:51:29", "text": "who has studied this stuff including the"}, {"start": "01:51:27", "end": "01:51:31", "text": "people that you mentioned will say they"}, {"start": "01:51:29", "end": "01:51:33", "text": "do stuff we don't understand and the"}, {"start": "01:51:31", "end": "01:51:36", "text": "only way to understand it Einstein is"}, {"start": "01:51:33", "end": "01:51:38", "text": "famous for saying to do the same thing"}, {"start": "01:51:36", "end": "01:51:39", "text": "over and over again and expect a"}, {"start": "01:51:38", "end": "01:51:41", "text": "different result is a definition of"}, {"start": "01:51:39", "end": "01:51:42", "text": "insanity so if we want to understand it"}, {"start": "01:51:41", "end": "01:51:44", "text": "we have to be willing to do it"}, {"start": "01:51:42", "end": "01:51:45", "text": "differently to be willing to accept that"}, {"start": "01:51:44", "end": "01:51:48", "text": "there is something that we're missing."}, {"start": "01:51:45", "end": "01:51:50", "text": "Right? And and it's tied back to the"}, {"start": "01:51:48", "end": "01:51:51", "text": "assumptions from experiments that we did"}, {"start": "01:51:50", "end": "01:51:53", "text": "back in the 1800s."}, {"start": "01:51:51", "end": "01:51:55", "text": ">> Okay. Well, I'm going to follow up on"}, {"start": "01:51:53", "end": "01:51:57", "text": "this. I want to hear more about this"}, {"start": "01:51:55", "end": "01:51:59", "text": "because this is very interesting and I"}, {"start": "01:51:57", "end": "01:52:03", "text": "think that you know if you can provide"}, {"start": "01:51:59", "end": "01:52:05", "text": "some type of I don't know nudge in the"}, {"start": "01:52:03", "end": "01:52:07", "text": "right direction for some people and then"}, {"start": "01:52:05", "end": "01:52:10", "text": "that could potentially be very valuable"}, {"start": "01:52:07", "end": "01:52:12", "text": "specifically uh in regards to you know"}, {"start": "01:52:10", "end": "01:52:14", "text": "the implant"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:17", "text": "the technology that that you're"}, {"start": "01:52:14", "end": "01:52:19", "text": "interacting with. Um, I think that if"}, {"start": "01:52:17", "end": "01:52:21", "text": "you can extrapolate from that, you can"}, {"start": "01:52:19", "end": "01:52:22", "text": "probably figure out a lot of stuff that"}, {"start": "01:52:21", "end": "01:52:25", "text": "we don't understand. But again, leads me"}, {"start": "01:52:22", "end": "01:52:26", "text": "to believe that then why would they let"}, {"start": "01:52:25", "end": "01:52:30", "text": "you do that, right?"}, {"start": "01:52:26", "end": "01:52:32", "text": ">> Like I mean I I either I either expect"}, {"start": "01:52:30", "end": "01:52:35", "text": "nothing from you or expect you to"}, {"start": "01:52:32", "end": "01:52:36", "text": "disappear. Like those are I think those"}, {"start": "01:52:35", "end": "01:52:37", "text": "are the two options."}, {"start": "01:52:36", "end": "01:52:39", "text": ">> I hope it's not the latter."}, {"start": "01:52:37", "end": "01:52:42", "text": ">> Well, do do you know what I mean?"}, {"start": "01:52:39", "end": "01:52:45", "text": ">> Yeah. because I fear that if you know if"}, {"start": "01:52:42", "end": "01:52:46", "text": "there is a a possibility that you do get"}, {"start": "01:52:45", "end": "01:52:46", "text": "an answer"}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:50", "text": ">> to that then I there's a possibility"}, {"start": "01:52:49", "end": "01:52:52", "text": "that I won't hear about it."}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:54", "text": ">> Yeah. This thoughts crossed your mind"}, {"start": "01:52:53", "end": "01:52:54", "text": "I'm sure."}, {"start": "01:52:54", "end": "01:52:56", "text": ">> For sure it has."}, {"start": "01:52:54", "end": "01:52:57", "text": ">> And it doesn't frighten you."}, {"start": "01:52:56", "end": "01:53:01", "text": ">> It absolutely frightens scares me to"}, {"start": "01:52:57", "end": "01:53:05", "text": "death. Um and I could be a test. I could"}, {"start": "01:53:01", "end": "01:53:08", "text": "be a test to see what our governments"}, {"start": "01:53:05", "end": "01:53:11", "text": "do. Are they going to take me and bury"}, {"start": "01:53:08", "end": "01:53:13", "text": "me somewhere and try to, you know, how"}, {"start": "01:53:11", "end": "01:53:15", "text": "much sociology have they done in the"}, {"start": "01:53:13", "end": "01:53:17", "text": "last 80 years? They asked for time to do"}, {"start": "01:53:15", "end": "01:53:19", "text": "sociology. So, how much did you do? What"}, {"start": "01:53:17", "end": "01:53:20", "text": "were you guys doing? Were you busy"}, {"start": "01:53:19", "end": "01:53:22", "text": "trying to reverse engineer our stuff so"}, {"start": "01:53:20", "end": "01:53:23", "text": "you could use it against us, or are you"}, {"start": "01:53:22", "end": "01:53:25", "text": "actually doing what you said you were"}, {"start": "01:53:23", "end": "01:53:28", "text": "going to do, which is try and be good"}, {"start": "01:53:25", "end": "01:53:30", "text": "neighbors? And we hear that reflection"}, {"start": "01:53:28", "end": "01:53:32", "text": "all over the place. I mean, Ste, Dr."}, {"start": "01:53:30", "end": "01:53:34", "text": "Steven Greer is he can't he'll tell"}, {"start": "01:53:32", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "anyone who will listen that this is the"}, {"start": "01:53:34", "end": "01:53:37", "text": "frame that we need to take, right? And"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:39", "text": "there's lots of star seeds and people"}, {"start": "01:53:37", "end": "01:53:41", "text": "trying to send that message out there."}, {"start": "01:53:39", "end": "01:53:43", "text": "Um, and I think it might be the the"}, {"start": "01:53:41", "end": "01:53:46", "text": "smartest path. So, am I a sensor for"}, {"start": "01:53:43", "end": "01:53:49", "text": "that? And is that part of the greater"}, {"start": "01:53:46", "end": "01:53:51", "text": "good for us? I don't I don't know. I"}, {"start": "01:53:49", "end": "01:53:52", "text": "mean, this my feet don't touch the"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:54", "text": "ground anymore. I'm swimming in waters"}, {"start": "01:53:52", "end": "01:53:56", "text": "that are so deep that like I could never"}, {"start": "01:53:54", "end": "01:53:59", "text": "hope to even see the bottom, let alone"}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:54:02", "text": "touch the bottom."}, {"start": "01:53:59", "end": "01:54:02", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:05", "text": "H"}, {"start": "01:54:06", "end": "01:54:11", "text": "could you trick these entities?"}, {"start": "01:54:09", "end": "01:54:13", "text": ">> Could I trick them?"}, {"start": "01:54:11", "end": "01:54:16", "text": ">> Can they be Can they be tricked? No."}, {"start": "01:54:13", "end": "01:54:18", "text": ">> Can they be tr tricked? Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:54:16", "end": "01:54:20", "text": ">> How would you trick them?"}, {"start": "01:54:18", "end": "01:54:22", "text": ">> I don't know if I would want to."}, {"start": "01:54:20", "end": "01:54:24", "text": ">> Why not?"}, {"start": "01:54:22", "end": "01:54:26", "text": "Because I think there's enough noise. I"}, {"start": "01:54:24", "end": "01:54:30", "text": "think there's enough disdain. There's"}, {"start": "01:54:26", "end": "01:54:33", "text": "enough reasons for them to judge us and"}, {"start": "01:54:30", "end": "01:54:36", "text": "look down on us and think bad things"}, {"start": "01:54:33", "end": "01:54:36", "text": "about I think we earn that relative to"}, {"start": "01:54:36", "end": "01:54:38", "text": "each other."}, {"start": "01:54:36", "end": "01:54:39", "text": ">> Yeah. But I mean it would be fun for"}, {"start": "01:54:38", "end": "01:54:41", "text": "them to be tricked. I would I would"}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:43", "text": "assume too. They would learn something."}, {"start": "01:54:41", "end": "01:54:44", "text": "It would feed their"}, {"start": "01:54:43", "end": "01:54:46", "text": ">> Yeah. algorithm."}, {"start": "01:54:44", "end": "01:54:48", "text": ">> They're very proud. So they would be"}, {"start": "01:54:46", "end": "01:54:49", "text": "they would be more upset than than we"}, {"start": "01:54:48", "end": "01:54:52", "text": "are about it."}, {"start": "01:54:49", "end": "01:54:54", "text": ">> Good. Um,"}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:56", "text": "yeah, that'd be interesting because, uh,"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:54:59", "text": "you know, obviously,"}, {"start": "01:54:56", "end": "01:55:02", "text": "you know, there's the old"}, {"start": "01:54:59", "end": "01:55:06", "text": "the old adage of what was it Carl Sean,"}, {"start": "01:55:02", "end": "01:55:07", "text": "you know, um,"}, {"start": "01:55:06", "end": "01:55:11", "text": "what was it? Uh, what is it? What was"}, {"start": "01:55:07", "end": "01:55:11", "text": "it? What did he say? Uh,"}, {"start": "01:55:12", "end": "01:55:15", "text": "extraordinary claims require"}, {"start": "01:55:13", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "extraordinary evidence, right?"}, {"start": "01:55:15", "end": "01:55:19", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:20", "text": "And [snorts]"}, {"start": "01:55:19", "end": "01:55:22", "text": "I mean, part of that evidence would be"}, {"start": "01:55:20", "end": "01:55:25", "text": "just having them appear, having them"}, {"start": "01:55:22", "end": "01:55:26", "text": "show up, having them say hi or whatever."}, {"start": "01:55:25", "end": "01:55:31", "text": ">> That day is coming."}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:33", "text": ">> Have you not tried to make that happen?"}, {"start": "01:55:31", "end": "01:55:34", "text": ">> Cuz I feel like that would be a shortcut"}, {"start": "01:55:33", "end": "01:55:36", "text": "to what you're trying to do right now"}, {"start": "01:55:34", "end": "01:55:38", "text": "with all the physics stuff, which is to"}, {"start": "01:55:36", "end": "01:55:39", "text": "have them do it, appear, and just go."}, {"start": "01:55:38", "end": "01:55:42", "text": ">> Yeah. They're they're not going to"}, {"start": "01:55:39", "end": "01:55:44", "text": "violate the agreement that they made"}, {"start": "01:55:42", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "because of any words that I could come"}, {"start": "01:55:44", "end": "01:55:47", "text": "up with."}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:48", "text": ">> You would have to trick yourself."}, {"start": "01:55:47", "end": "01:55:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:55:48", "end": "01:55:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:55:50", "end": "01:55:52", "text": ">> H"}, {"start": "01:55:51", "end": "01:55:55", "text": ">> they understand. They they've collected"}, {"start": "01:55:52", "end": "01:55:57", "text": "all the data that I've been collecting."}, {"start": "01:55:55", "end": "01:56:00", "text": "My brain has been collecting since the"}, {"start": "01:55:57", "end": "01:56:02", "text": "date of the abduction. So I can't"}, {"start": "01:56:00", "end": "01:56:04", "text": "conceptualize things that they don't"}, {"start": "01:56:02", "end": "01:56:07", "text": "have access to. That makes sense."}, {"start": "01:56:04", "end": "01:56:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Sure."}, {"start": "01:56:07", "end": "01:56:12", "text": ">> Okay. Anything else you want to talk"}, {"start": "01:56:09", "end": "01:56:12", "text": "about?"}, {"start": "01:56:12", "end": "01:56:14", "text": ">> Not sure."}, {"start": "01:56:12", "end": "01:56:15", "text": ">> Anything about their culture?"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:17", "text": ">> What do you want to know?"}, {"start": "01:56:15", "end": "01:56:17", "text": ">> I don't know. Do they eat?"}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:19", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:20", "text": ">> What do they eat?"}, {"start": "01:56:19", "end": "01:56:23", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:56:20", "end": "01:56:27", "text": "they eat a"}, {"start": "01:56:23", "end": "01:56:28", "text": "It's 3D printed and it is maximized to"}, {"start": "01:56:27", "end": "01:56:31", "text": "minimize the amount of food that they"}, {"start": "01:56:28", "end": "01:56:33", "text": "need to eat because then it minimizes"}, {"start": "01:56:31", "end": "01:56:34", "text": "the amount of food they have to put out."}, {"start": "01:56:33", "end": "01:56:36", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:56:34", "end": "01:56:39", "text": ">> and they don't get out of bed. They lay"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:42", "text": "in bed all day. People reported um anal"}, {"start": "01:56:39", "end": "01:56:44", "text": "probes. Anal probes is not some weird"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:48", "text": "sexual thing. It's literally just how"}, {"start": "01:56:44", "end": "01:56:49", "text": "they handle waste. So they sit in a bed"}, {"start": "01:56:48", "end": "01:56:51", "text": "with a rectal tube so that they don't"}, {"start": "01:56:49", "end": "01:56:52", "text": "have to get out of bed to go to the"}, {"start": "01:56:51", "end": "01:56:53", "text": "bathroom. So just"}, {"start": "01:56:52", "end": "01:56:54", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "01:56:53", "end": "01:56:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:56:54", "end": "01:56:58", "text": ">> They're just slothlike."}, {"start": "01:56:56", "end": "01:57:01", "text": ">> Well, but they don't need to because the"}, {"start": "01:56:58", "end": "01:57:03", "text": "robots do everything."}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:04", "text": ">> God, that sounds like you ever see"}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:04", "text": "Wall-E?"}, {"start": "01:57:04", "end": "01:57:07", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:57:04", "end": "01:57:10", "text": ">> No. the Disney movie Wall-E. Well, u"}, {"start": "01:57:07", "end": "01:57:12", "text": "he's this little robot and you know,"}, {"start": "01:57:10", "end": "01:57:14", "text": "civilization now lives off-world because"}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:15", "text": "of the pollution and they're all just"}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:16", "text": "like really overweight people on"}, {"start": "01:57:15", "end": "01:57:17", "text": "scooters and they don't know how to walk"}, {"start": "01:57:16", "end": "01:57:17", "text": "anymore."}, {"start": "01:57:17", "end": "01:57:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:57:17", "end": "01:57:21", "text": ">> And like that kind of feels like that's"}, {"start": "01:57:19", "end": "01:57:22", "text": "what that would be."}, {"start": "01:57:21", "end": "01:57:24", "text": ">> Yeah. So, they manage their weight"}, {"start": "01:57:22", "end": "01:57:26", "text": "through food and they manage their"}, {"start": "01:57:24", "end": "01:57:27", "text": "weight through the AI. Like imagine if"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:29", "text": "you're if the computer's feeding you."}, {"start": "01:57:27", "end": "01:57:31", "text": "It'd be like, \"Oh, you've"}, {"start": "01:57:29", "end": "01:57:31", "text": ">> had a little bit extra this week.\""}, {"start": "01:57:31", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "Sounds terrible."}, {"start": "01:57:31", "end": "01:57:34", "text": ">> So, I'm going to cut your food, but"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:35", "text": "you're not going to feel hungry because"}, {"start": "01:57:34", "end": "01:57:36", "text": "the food eye combination I'm going to"}, {"start": "01:57:35", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "give you is going to make sure that your"}, {"start": "01:57:36", "end": "01:57:39", "text": "brain doesn't send those signals."}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:41", "text": ">> Okay. So, they're in bed all day. They"}, {"start": "01:57:39", "end": "01:57:43", "text": "got a tube up their butt"}, {"start": "01:57:41", "end": "01:57:45", "text": ">> giving them the perfect amount of"}, {"start": "01:57:43", "end": "01:57:48", "text": ">> Yeah. But their their physical body is"}, {"start": "01:57:45", "end": "01:57:50", "text": "in bed, but they're not in bed. They"}, {"start": "01:57:48", "end": "01:57:52", "text": "live in a virtual space. They live in"}, {"start": "01:57:50", "end": "01:57:54", "text": "this beautiful virtual environment where"}, {"start": "01:57:52", "end": "01:57:58", "text": "anything can exist. They could be in a"}, {"start": "01:57:54", "end": "01:58:00", "text": "field for they could be in um they could"}, {"start": "01:57:58", "end": "01:58:01", "text": "be in you know in Star Wars they have"}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:03", "text": "the the council"}, {"start": "01:58:01", "end": "01:58:06", "text": ">> where everybody flies into the center."}, {"start": "01:58:03", "end": "01:58:11", "text": "They spend a lot of time there debating,"}, {"start": "01:58:06", "end": "01:58:13", "text": "arguing, coming up with the best idea um"}, {"start": "01:58:11", "end": "01:58:16", "text": "and and flooring things. They have a"}, {"start": "01:58:13", "end": "01:58:18", "text": "great big um fork of logic that's in"}, {"start": "01:58:16", "end": "01:58:21", "text": "this virtual space where the strongest"}, {"start": "01:58:18", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "idea rises to the top. So they'll think"}, {"start": "01:58:21", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "of like um when they decided to come"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:34", "text": "here, they created this plan and then"}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:38", "text": "they executed on it. And so um we are a"}, {"start": "01:58:34", "end": "01:58:41", "text": "big portion of that logic fork. And if"}, {"start": "01:58:38", "end": "01:58:44", "text": "you're in a I I would love to build this"}, {"start": "01:58:41", "end": "01:58:47", "text": "if somebody has got the"}, {"start": "01:58:44", "end": "01:58:49", "text": "um the coding and the the software"}, {"start": "01:58:47", "end": "01:58:54", "text": "production capabilities to realize this."}, {"start": "01:58:49", "end": "01:58:56", "text": "It's a structured way to make arguments"}, {"start": "01:58:54", "end": "01:59:00", "text": "like the positions or the space that we"}, {"start": "01:58:56", "end": "01:59:03", "text": "have on X but the result of which goes"}, {"start": "01:59:00", "end": "01:59:05", "text": "to this great big fork of logic which"}, {"start": "01:59:03", "end": "01:59:08", "text": "then gets furthered as people have"}, {"start": "01:59:05", "end": "01:59:10", "text": "arguments. So we would argue whether"}, {"start": "01:59:08", "end": "01:59:11", "text": "cats or dogs are better. Okay, when we"}, {"start": "01:59:10", "end": "01:59:13", "text": "use this arbitrary argument because"}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "everybody's used it for a century"}, {"start": "01:59:13", "end": "01:59:17", "text": ">> and dogs are better because and then we"}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:18", "text": "would have that conversation, we would"}, {"start": "01:59:17", "end": "01:59:19", "text": "leave and then the next time you said"}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:22", "text": "something about cats and dogs, you'd"}, {"start": "01:59:19", "end": "01:59:24", "text": "come back and it's now the argument has"}, {"start": "01:59:22", "end": "01:59:27", "text": "objectively moved to here and you could"}, {"start": "01:59:24", "end": "01:59:30", "text": "quickly look. you could quickly look at"}, {"start": "01:59:27", "end": "01:59:32", "text": "all of the logic points and see h why"}, {"start": "01:59:30", "end": "01:59:34", "text": "and then agree or disagree with them and"}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:36", "text": "then once everybody's agreed with them"}, {"start": "01:59:34", "end": "01:59:39", "text": "then it gets then it gets solidified and"}, {"start": "01:59:36", "end": "01:59:41", "text": "that becomes a new information node"}, {"start": "01:59:39", "end": "01:59:42", "text": ">> and so they use that like we use"}, {"start": "01:59:41", "end": "01:59:43", "text": "Wikipedia"}, {"start": "01:59:42", "end": "01:59:47", "text": ">> or AI"}, {"start": "01:59:43", "end": "01:59:48", "text": ">> to validate and to create spaces to save"}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:50", "text": "time to save to make the AI more"}, {"start": "01:59:48", "end": "01:59:54", "text": "efficient it doesn't have to go and"}, {"start": "01:59:50", "end": "01:59:57", "text": "validate you know like if I ask um if I"}, {"start": "01:59:54", "end": "02:00:00", "text": "ask rock, what's the, you know, the size"}, {"start": "01:59:57", "end": "02:00:03", "text": "of um an atom or whatever. It'll go"}, {"start": "02:00:00", "end": "02:00:04", "text": "through 700 pages trying to revalidate"}, {"start": "02:00:03", "end": "02:00:07", "text": "cross reference. They don't have to do"}, {"start": "02:00:04", "end": "02:00:08", "text": "that. They know that that size is"}, {"start": "02:00:07", "end": "02:00:10", "text": ">> objective."}, {"start": "02:00:08", "end": "02:00:12", "text": ">> It's now been objected. Every objective,"}, {"start": "02:00:10", "end": "02:00:15", "text": "every single person has agreed by"}, {"start": "02:00:12", "end": "02:00:17", "text": "looking at that point and accepted that"}, {"start": "02:00:15", "end": "02:00:19", "text": "position as being valid. The computer"}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:21", "text": "has accepted it's been valid. It has now"}, {"start": "02:00:19", "end": "02:00:22", "text": "been validated. There's no point to talk"}, {"start": "02:00:21", "end": "02:00:24", "text": "about that anymore. and they have this"}, {"start": "02:00:22", "end": "02:00:27", "text": "huge fork of logic that is going into"}, {"start": "02:00:24", "end": "02:00:29", "text": "the universe learning. And so they just"}, {"start": "02:00:27", "end": "02:00:32", "text": "want to learn as much as they can and do"}, {"start": "02:00:29", "end": "02:00:34", "text": "the hard things, you know, do let's"}, {"start": "02:00:32", "end": "02:00:36", "text": "bring in let's floor a really difficult"}, {"start": "02:00:34", "end": "02:00:39", "text": "conversation where it's going to get"}, {"start": "02:00:36", "end": "02:00:40", "text": "everybody upset. Let's boom, just drop"}, {"start": "02:00:39", "end": "02:00:41", "text": "it right in the middle and we'll just"}, {"start": "02:00:40", "end": "02:00:44", "text": "beat the [ __ ] we'll beat the hell out of"}, {"start": "02:00:41", "end": "02:00:45", "text": "it until um until we come up with an"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "objective solution."}, {"start": "02:00:45", "end": "02:00:50", "text": ">> That's a cool That's a cool model. I"}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:53", "text": "mean, it's optimal, you know, it's like"}, {"start": "02:00:50", "end": "02:00:57", "text": "an optimized model, but it also I mean,"}, {"start": "02:00:53", "end": "02:01:00", "text": "they seem so soulless to me. I mean, the"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:01:02", "text": "idea of, you know, your body's in bed"}, {"start": "02:01:00", "end": "02:01:05", "text": "and you're just in this virtual"}, {"start": "02:01:02", "end": "02:01:09", "text": "optimization simulation, collecting"}, {"start": "02:01:05", "end": "02:01:10", "text": "data, eating things for nutrients only,"}, {"start": "02:01:09", "end": "02:01:12", "text": "and do you know what I mean? And like"}, {"start": "02:01:10", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "just messing with people. I don't know."}, {"start": "02:01:12", "end": "02:01:15", "text": "It sounds like hell. It doesn't sound"}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:17", "text": "great to me. Like if that's where we're"}, {"start": "02:01:15", "end": "02:01:17", "text": "headed, I'm not"}, {"start": "02:01:17", "end": "02:01:20", "text": ">> about it."}, {"start": "02:01:17", "end": "02:01:21", "text": ">> Well, they're they're different than us."}, {"start": "02:01:20", "end": "02:01:24", "text": "Obviously, they evolved on a planet with"}, {"start": "02:01:21", "end": "02:01:26", "text": "different combinations of chemistry,"}, {"start": "02:01:24", "end": "02:01:27", "text": "different combinations of life,"}, {"start": "02:01:26", "end": "02:01:28", "text": "different all kinds of"}, {"start": "02:01:27", "end": "02:01:31", "text": ">> different challenges."}, {"start": "02:01:28", "end": "02:01:33", "text": ">> Our food, going back to food and them"}, {"start": "02:01:31", "end": "02:01:35", "text": "being soulless and not enjoying food,"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:38", "text": "enjoying food is actually relatively"}, {"start": "02:01:35", "end": "02:01:40", "text": "rare. um they think and I happen to"}, {"start": "02:01:38", "end": "02:01:43", "text": "agree with them in the universe like if"}, {"start": "02:01:40", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "you look at a peach a peach has fought"}, {"start": "02:01:43", "end": "02:01:48", "text": "for its survival and the way that it"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:51", "text": "survived was by being delicious. So the"}, {"start": "02:01:48", "end": "02:01:54", "text": "the peaches from the peach's frame the"}, {"start": "02:01:51", "end": "02:01:55", "text": "peach optimized being delicious so it"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:56", "text": "would get eaten for whatever animals"}, {"start": "02:01:55", "end": "02:01:58", "text": "going to eat it"}, {"start": "02:01:56", "end": "02:01:59", "text": ">> so that it would eat it and plant it"}, {"start": "02:01:58", "end": "02:02:02", "text": "seed somewhere else so that it could"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:06", "text": "flourish and so our food literally has"}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:08", "text": "competed to be delicious."}, {"start": "02:02:06", "end": "02:02:10", "text": "Uh, an alligator wouldn't say the same"}, {"start": "02:02:08", "end": "02:02:12", "text": "thing. An alligator doesn't eat food"}, {"start": "02:02:10", "end": "02:02:15", "text": "based on whether or not it's delicious."}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "So, for them, food is just a means, a"}, {"start": "02:02:15", "end": "02:02:22", "text": "method to a means."}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:25", "text": "Their world is way more exciting,"}, {"start": "02:02:22", "end": "02:02:27", "text": "diverse than ours because it literally"}, {"start": "02:02:25", "end": "02:02:31", "text": "can be tuned by the user to be whatever"}, {"start": "02:02:27", "end": "02:02:34", "text": "they want it to be. Uh, and as far as"}, {"start": "02:02:31", "end": "02:02:37", "text": "Soulless, again, their philosophy is"}, {"start": "02:02:34", "end": "02:02:38", "text": "extremely different than ours. Their"}, {"start": "02:02:37", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "upbringing was different than ours."}, {"start": "02:02:38", "end": "02:02:43", "text": "They're more like an alligator. They"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:44", "text": "believe you got to win. If you're a"}, {"start": "02:02:43", "end": "02:02:46", "text": "winner,"}, {"start": "02:02:44", "end": "02:02:49", "text": "they'll respect they'll respect you till"}, {"start": "02:02:46", "end": "02:02:52", "text": "the till the last breath. But if you're"}, {"start": "02:02:49", "end": "02:02:54", "text": "a loser, they're not interested in you."}, {"start": "02:02:52", "end": "02:02:56", "text": "They don't think that you have space to"}, {"start": "02:02:54", "end": "02:02:58", "text": "be alive."}, {"start": "02:02:56", "end": "02:03:00", "text": "It's a different world. H"}, {"start": "02:02:58", "end": "02:03:03", "text": ">> it's not this independent idea. It's"}, {"start": "02:03:00", "end": "02:03:05", "text": "tied to this whole network of logic and"}, {"start": "02:03:03", "end": "02:03:06", "text": "understanding."}, {"start": "02:03:05", "end": "02:03:07", "text": ">> They don't have feelings,"}, {"start": "02:03:06", "end": "02:03:09", "text": ">> but it makes sense to them. They do have"}, {"start": "02:03:07", "end": "02:03:10", "text": "feelings, but they're different."}, {"start": "02:03:09", "end": "02:03:12", "text": ">> They come in a different ratio. They"}, {"start": "02:03:10", "end": "02:03:14", "text": "activate differently in their brain than"}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:15", "text": "we do."}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:18", "text": ">> When we get upset,"}, {"start": "02:03:15", "end": "02:03:20", "text": ">> like if I if I if I lost"}, {"start": "02:03:18", "end": "02:03:21", "text": ">> whatever it was and then I was shunned"}, {"start": "02:03:20", "end": "02:03:22", "text": "from society."}, {"start": "02:03:21", "end": "02:03:24", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:03:22", "end": "02:03:25", "text": ">> That would hurt my feelings. They don't"}, {"start": "02:03:24", "end": "02:03:27", "text": "have that same"}, {"start": "02:03:25", "end": "02:03:29", "text": ">> They do. But too bad. Figure out a way"}, {"start": "02:03:27", "end": "02:03:32", "text": "to win."}, {"start": "02:03:29", "end": "02:03:34", "text": ">> And but they have a rule of inclusion."}, {"start": "02:03:32", "end": "02:03:36", "text": "So you would never be excluded. Okay? So"}, {"start": "02:03:34", "end": "02:03:39", "text": "you would still get all of the things"}, {"start": "02:03:36", "end": "02:03:40", "text": "that you need to be a valued member of"}, {"start": "02:03:39", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "society, but you're just not going to"}, {"start": "02:03:40", "end": "02:03:45", "text": "get you're just not going to get desire,"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:48", "text": ">> right? Because you don't deserve it"}, {"start": "02:03:45", "end": "02:03:49", "text": "because you're a loser."}, {"start": "02:03:48", "end": "02:03:51", "text": "And that's how their world works."}, {"start": "02:03:49", "end": "02:03:52", "text": ">> Yeah. It sounds like a sounds like a"}, {"start": "02:03:51", "end": "02:03:55", "text": "tough love,"}, {"start": "02:03:52", "end": "02:03:57", "text": ">> but it works. And it works for them. And"}, {"start": "02:03:55", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "to them, the way that we do it is the"}, {"start": "02:03:57", "end": "02:04:01", "text": "way you're feeling right now. And I used"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:04", "text": "to struggle with that for a long time,"}, {"start": "02:04:01", "end": "02:04:07", "text": "too, until I accepted the frame. And we"}, {"start": "02:04:04", "end": "02:04:09", "text": "do it this way and they do it that way."}, {"start": "02:04:07", "end": "02:04:10", "text": "And that's okay. We don't have to agree."}, {"start": "02:04:09", "end": "02:04:11", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "02:04:10", "end": "02:04:13", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "02:04:11", "end": "02:04:15", "text": ">> That's interesting. Yeah. I I really"}, {"start": "02:04:13", "end": "02:04:16", "text": "haven't thought about it like that. you"}, {"start": "02:04:15", "end": "02:04:19", "text": "know we anthropomorphize so many things"}, {"start": "02:04:16", "end": "02:04:20", "text": "and and it is interesting to think about"}, {"start": "02:04:19", "end": "02:04:23", "text": "a different culture at least as a"}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:25", "text": "thought experiment and how they would"}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:28", "text": "operate if not like us and it's really"}, {"start": "02:04:25", "end": "02:04:31", "text": "difficult so you know providing that"}, {"start": "02:04:28", "end": "02:04:33", "text": "perspective is quite valuable even as a"}, {"start": "02:04:31", "end": "02:04:36", "text": "thought experiment to be like oh yeah I"}, {"start": "02:04:33", "end": "02:04:38", "text": "suppose if you were constantly minmaxing"}, {"start": "02:04:36", "end": "02:04:40", "text": "your existence"}, {"start": "02:04:38", "end": "02:04:42", "text": "you know all of that would seem normal"}, {"start": "02:04:40", "end": "02:04:45", "text": "to you it would seem very unfamiliar to"}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:48", "text": "us but it would also So provide them"}, {"start": "02:04:45", "end": "02:04:53", "text": "with a faster road to high-tech"}, {"start": "02:04:48", "end": "02:04:56", "text": "discovery or a faster road to um sort of"}, {"start": "02:04:53", "end": "02:04:57", "text": "survival really. And so"}, {"start": "02:04:56", "end": "02:04:58", "text": ">> well they never had ice ages."}, {"start": "02:04:57", "end": "02:04:59", "text": ">> So they're here."}, {"start": "02:04:58", "end": "02:05:00", "text": ">> So they never got reset."}, {"start": "02:04:59", "end": "02:05:02", "text": ">> They're living in ships. They're living"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "in in the water. They're living"}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "underground or whatever."}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:08", "text": ">> How many of them"}, {"start": "02:05:06", "end": "02:05:11", "text": ">> here? There's just a few doing work."}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:13", "text": "Like we send people off to work on oil"}, {"start": "02:05:11", "end": "02:05:15", "text": "rigs or we send people off to work"}, {"start": "02:05:13", "end": "02:05:16", "text": "isolated in isolated environments and"}, {"start": "02:05:15", "end": "02:05:18", "text": "they're here and they're isolated and"}, {"start": "02:05:16", "end": "02:05:21", "text": "the people that are here doing the work"}, {"start": "02:05:18", "end": "02:05:23", "text": "of data collection of earth it's kind of"}, {"start": "02:05:21", "end": "02:05:25", "text": "a crappy job because I mean there's no"}, {"start": "02:05:23", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "one to talk to right so there's a"}, {"start": "02:05:25", "end": "02:05:31", "text": "35minute delay in imagine if your ex was"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:33", "text": "ex account or your social account was"}, {"start": "02:05:31", "end": "02:05:35", "text": "delayed by an hour and a half every post"}, {"start": "02:05:33", "end": "02:05:36", "text": "you made everything you saw was an hour"}, {"start": "02:05:35", "end": "02:05:38", "text": "and a half old well to us that doesn't"}, {"start": "02:05:36", "end": "02:05:39", "text": "seem like that much but we live in"}, {"start": "02:05:38", "end": "02:05:41", "text": "virtual space and everything is"}, {"start": "02:05:39", "end": "02:05:44", "text": "instantaneous for your whole life."}, {"start": "02:05:41", "end": "02:05:48", "text": "That's a big deal. And so they go"}, {"start": "02:05:44", "end": "02:05:49", "text": "through that. Um, which is that's a"}, {"start": "02:05:48", "end": "02:05:52", "text": "crappy environment for them having an"}, {"start": "02:05:49", "end": "02:05:54", "text": "hourlong delay on your expost. So they"}, {"start": "02:05:52", "end": "02:05:56", "text": "live a pretty high value life because"}, {"start": "02:05:54", "end": "02:05:57", "text": "that's that's pretty marginal to me and"}, {"start": "02:05:56", "end": "02:05:58", "text": "you."}, {"start": "02:05:57", "end": "02:05:59", "text": ">> What do you mean what delay? Between"}, {"start": "02:05:58", "end": "02:06:01", "text": "them and whom?"}, {"start": "02:05:59", "end": "02:06:02", "text": ">> Between them and their their people at"}, {"start": "02:06:01", "end": "02:06:03", "text": "at Jupiter"}, {"start": "02:06:02", "end": "02:06:05", "text": ">> and Jupiter"}, {"start": "02:06:03", "end": "02:06:07", "text": ">> or sorry Saturn."}, {"start": "02:06:05", "end": "02:06:09", "text": ">> Saturn. Is it Saturn or Jupiter? I'm not"}, {"start": "02:06:07", "end": "02:06:10", "text": "sure. I don't know for sure."}, {"start": "02:06:09", "end": "02:06:14", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:16", "text": ">> But it's um Jupiter"}, {"start": "02:06:14", "end": "02:06:17", "text": ">> because that's where the water is."}, {"start": "02:06:16", "end": "02:06:17", "text": ">> Uh not water."}, {"start": "02:06:17", "end": "02:06:19", "text": ">> Hydrogen."}, {"start": "02:06:17", "end": "02:06:21", "text": ">> Hydrogen. It's the it's the largest"}, {"start": "02:06:19", "end": "02:06:22", "text": "volume of hydrogen on a in a solar"}, {"start": "02:06:21", "end": "02:06:24", "text": "system."}, {"start": "02:06:22", "end": "02:06:25", "text": ">> And how many of them are there?"}, {"start": "02:06:24", "end": "02:06:26", "text": ">> Uh 100,000."}, {"start": "02:06:25", "end": "02:06:29", "text": ">> 100,000"}, {"start": "02:06:26", "end": "02:06:31", "text": ">> which is the mathematical number that"}, {"start": "02:06:29", "end": "02:06:32", "text": "optimizes"}, {"start": "02:06:31", "end": "02:06:34", "text": "society."}, {"start": "02:06:32", "end": "02:06:37", "text": ">> Sustainable society."}, {"start": "02:06:34", "end": "02:06:40", "text": "They have a they have a metric where if"}, {"start": "02:06:37", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "they want to agree on a node in their"}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:44", "text": "logic tree or if they want to change a"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "hardline or if they want to do something"}, {"start": "02:06:44", "end": "02:06:49", "text": "as a collective which we can't even"}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "fathom this but every single person has"}, {"start": "02:06:49", "end": "02:06:51", "text": "to agree"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:52", "text": ">> everyone"}, {"start": "02:06:51", "end": "02:06:52", "text": ">> before it moves forward"}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:54", "text": ">> before something"}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:57", "text": ">> that would be chaos here"}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:59", "text": ">> right but it's so objective where"}, {"start": "02:06:57", "end": "02:07:01", "text": "they're from because they've collected"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:03", "text": "all of the data. Yeah. So if if me and"}, {"start": "02:07:01", "end": "02:07:05", "text": "you are arguing and you have a personal"}, {"start": "02:07:03", "end": "02:07:07", "text": "position, I can identify that personal"}, {"start": "02:07:05", "end": "02:07:08", "text": "position and I can say, \"Yeah, but"}, {"start": "02:07:07", "end": "02:07:10", "text": "that's a personal position for you and"}, {"start": "02:07:08", "end": "02:07:11", "text": "you can see how objectively this is"}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:12", "text": "better for the collective.\" You would"}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:13", "text": "say, \"Yes.\" And they would be able to"}, {"start": "02:07:12", "end": "02:07:16", "text": "separate that."}, {"start": "02:07:13", "end": "02:07:17", "text": ">> So they're they're autistic is what"}, {"start": "02:07:16", "end": "02:07:17", "text": "you're saying. They're like,"}, {"start": "02:07:17", "end": "02:07:19", "text": ">> different."}, {"start": "02:07:17", "end": "02:07:21", "text": ">> No, but I mean that's kind of like"}, {"start": "02:07:19", "end": "02:07:25", "text": "neurode diverency in a nutshell where"}, {"start": "02:07:21", "end": "02:07:27", "text": "they're able to separate uh emotion from"}, {"start": "02:07:25", "end": "02:07:30", "text": "logic. uh they're able to and that"}, {"start": "02:07:27", "end": "02:07:33", "text": "doesn't mean they don't feel because as"}, {"start": "02:07:30", "end": "02:07:36", "text": "we know even people who are neurode"}, {"start": "02:07:33", "end": "02:07:38", "text": "divergent feel the same things we do."}, {"start": "02:07:36", "end": "02:07:40", "text": "They just don't they're just able to"}, {"start": "02:07:38", "end": "02:07:41", "text": "sort of separate themselves from those"}, {"start": "02:07:40", "end": "02:07:43", "text": "feelings"}, {"start": "02:07:41", "end": "02:07:45", "text": ">> and sometimes miss those feelings"}, {"start": "02:07:43", "end": "02:07:46", "text": "entirely due to you know the"}, {"start": "02:07:45", "end": "02:07:48", "text": "information."}, {"start": "02:07:46", "end": "02:07:51", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, they have they have the"}, {"start": "02:07:48", "end": "02:07:54", "text": "almost identical Oops. They have almost"}, {"start": "02:07:51", "end": "02:07:57", "text": "identical overlap to us emotionally"}, {"start": "02:07:54", "end": "02:07:58", "text": "which they think and I I agree with them"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:08:01", "text": "and I'm not even close to as smart as"}, {"start": "02:07:58", "end": "02:08:05", "text": "they are but it's the evolutionary"}, {"start": "02:08:01", "end": "02:08:08", "text": "um result of being conscious is these"}, {"start": "02:08:05", "end": "02:08:10", "text": "emotions which guide us to have a"}, {"start": "02:08:08", "end": "02:08:12", "text": "society that works. And so if you want"}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:14", "text": "to have a society work that works, you"}, {"start": "02:08:12", "end": "02:08:16", "text": "have to have empathy, you have to have"}, {"start": "02:08:14", "end": "02:08:18", "text": "compassion, you have to have toughness"}, {"start": "02:08:16", "end": "02:08:20", "text": "and grit and you have to have all of"}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:22", "text": "those things. They just express express"}, {"start": "02:08:20", "end": "02:08:24", "text": "them with different weights than we do."}, {"start": "02:08:22", "end": "02:08:28", "text": "Their brain operates different than ours"}, {"start": "02:08:24", "end": "02:08:30", "text": "does. They when we get angry, I know"}, {"start": "02:08:28", "end": "02:08:32", "text": "sometimes I'll get angry and I'll be mad"}, {"start": "02:08:30", "end": "02:08:34", "text": "for 20 minutes. If I really get set off"}, {"start": "02:08:32", "end": "02:08:35", "text": "and I I that I think that's like a"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:39", "text": "scientific number. If you get really"}, {"start": "02:08:35", "end": "02:08:41", "text": "mad, go for a walk, you'll calm down and"}, {"start": "02:08:39", "end": "02:08:44", "text": "then now you can think again, right? And"}, {"start": "02:08:41", "end": "02:08:46", "text": "there's um a metric of the more"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:47", "text": "emotional you are, the dumber you get,"}, {"start": "02:08:46", "end": "02:08:49", "text": "right? And they're inversely"}, {"start": "02:08:47", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "proportional."}, {"start": "02:08:49", "end": "02:08:55", "text": "for them. They can get mad like from 0"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:58", "text": "to 60 like in a snap and then 30 seconds"}, {"start": "02:08:55", "end": "02:09:01", "text": "later they're not mad anymore. So they"}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "have this incredible control over their"}, {"start": "02:09:01", "end": "02:09:07", "text": "not control but their ability to react"}, {"start": "02:09:04", "end": "02:09:09", "text": "to emotions"}, {"start": "02:09:07", "end": "02:09:11", "text": "doesn't carry the same wavelength. And"}, {"start": "02:09:09", "end": "02:09:15", "text": "because of that they're willing to go"}, {"start": "02:09:11", "end": "02:09:17", "text": "through them differently than we are. So"}, {"start": "02:09:15", "end": "02:09:21", "text": "they would they have no problem"}, {"start": "02:09:17", "end": "02:09:23", "text": "triggering you to set you off. Whereas"}, {"start": "02:09:21", "end": "02:09:25", "text": "we don't we really if you look at our"}, {"start": "02:09:23", "end": "02:09:25", "text": "society we really try not to do that."}, {"start": "02:09:25", "end": "02:09:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:09:25", "end": "02:09:29", "text": ">> I try not to just go into Tim Hortons"}, {"start": "02:09:27", "end": "02:09:30", "text": "and really piss off the guy behind me"}, {"start": "02:09:29", "end": "02:09:31", "text": "because he'll clock me."}, {"start": "02:09:30", "end": "02:09:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:09:31", "end": "02:09:34", "text": ">> Right. For them they'll do it just to"}, {"start": "02:09:32", "end": "02:09:38", "text": "gaslight each other because"}, {"start": "02:09:34", "end": "02:09:39", "text": ">> they have that space because they can."}, {"start": "02:09:38", "end": "02:09:41", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:09:39", "end": "02:09:45", "text": "What's another interesting quirk about"}, {"start": "02:09:41", "end": "02:09:48", "text": "their culture or their species?"}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:53", "text": ">> Um, they"}, {"start": "02:09:48", "end": "02:09:53", "text": "have perfected their um,"}, {"start": "02:09:55", "end": "02:10:00", "text": "another interesting thing. Um,"}, {"start": "02:09:58", "end": "02:10:01", "text": ">> what were you going to say?"}, {"start": "02:10:00", "end": "02:10:02", "text": ">> I don't want to say it."}, {"start": "02:10:01", "end": "02:10:04", "text": ">> Say it. Just say it."}, {"start": "02:10:02", "end": "02:10:07", "text": ">> I I don't want to disrespect them."}, {"start": "02:10:04", "end": "02:10:08", "text": ">> Well, come on. Um if they look if they"}, {"start": "02:10:07", "end": "02:10:10", "text": "if they got something to say they can"}, {"start": "02:10:08", "end": "02:10:14", "text": "come say it for themselves."}, {"start": "02:10:10", "end": "02:10:16", "text": ">> Just you know use a bit of uh use a bit"}, {"start": "02:10:14", "end": "02:10:16", "text": "of your own sovereignty here."}, {"start": "02:10:16", "end": "02:10:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:10:16", "end": "02:10:23", "text": ">> What were you going to say?"}, {"start": "02:10:18", "end": "02:10:26", "text": ">> They have perfected their um their DNA."}, {"start": "02:10:23", "end": "02:10:29", "text": ">> Um so they they long time ago every"}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:31", "text": "single person agreed"}, {"start": "02:10:29", "end": "02:10:36", "text": "uh that they were going to use one"}, {"start": "02:10:31", "end": "02:10:40", "text": "iteration of DNA. So, imagine our"}, {"start": "02:10:36", "end": "02:10:41", "text": "greatest person is um I don't know. I"}, {"start": "02:10:40", "end": "02:10:46", "text": "don't really want to use anyone who's"}, {"start": "02:10:41", "end": "02:10:49", "text": "alive. Um our greatest person"}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:50", "text": "is Aristotle. Sure."}, {"start": "02:10:49", "end": "02:10:53", "text": ">> Okay. And we're going to take"}, {"start": "02:10:50", "end": "02:10:55", "text": "Aristotle's DNA and we're going to make"}, {"start": "02:10:53", "end": "02:10:57", "text": "everyone Aristotle."}, {"start": "02:10:55", "end": "02:11:00", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "02:10:57", "end": "02:11:02", "text": "And then we're going to let those people"}, {"start": "02:11:00", "end": "02:11:04", "text": "rise to the top. And then we're going to"}, {"start": "02:11:02", "end": "02:11:07", "text": "take Aristotle's peak and we're going to"}, {"start": "02:11:04", "end": "02:11:09", "text": "iterate it. And then we're going to take"}, {"start": "02:11:07", "end": "02:11:10", "text": "that peak and we're going to iterate it."}, {"start": "02:11:09", "end": "02:11:11", "text": "We're gonna take that peak and we're"}, {"start": "02:11:10", "end": "02:11:14", "text": "gonna iterate it until they hit a"}, {"start": "02:11:11", "end": "02:11:17", "text": "ceiling where they started to see noise"}, {"start": "02:11:14", "end": "02:11:20", "text": "happen. So they started to see stuff"}, {"start": "02:11:17", "end": "02:11:22", "text": "change. And that's they they capped it"}, {"start": "02:11:20", "end": "02:11:24", "text": "and they just keep running the same"}, {"start": "02:11:22", "end": "02:11:27", "text": "cycle over and over and over again. So"}, {"start": "02:11:24", "end": "02:11:30", "text": "they have 100,000 people. Someone grows"}, {"start": "02:11:27", "end": "02:11:31", "text": "old and dies. They make a new one and"}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:34", "text": "they shove it in the system."}, {"start": "02:11:31", "end": "02:11:36", "text": ">> So constantly optimizing everything."}, {"start": "02:11:34", "end": "02:11:38", "text": ">> Everything is constantly optimized."}, {"start": "02:11:36", "end": "02:11:41", "text": ">> Are they trying to"}, {"start": "02:11:38", "end": "02:11:46", "text": ">> and it saves them a whole bunch of work"}, {"start": "02:11:41", "end": "02:11:48", "text": "because the computer has got a model"}, {"start": "02:11:46", "end": "02:11:50", "text": "like if let's say you needed a heart"}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:52", "text": "replacement. Okay, I'd have to take a"}, {"start": "02:11:50", "end": "02:11:54", "text": "sample of your DNA and figure out what"}, {"start": "02:11:52", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "your heart should look like. But if I"}, {"start": "02:11:54", "end": "02:11:58", "text": "clone you"}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:12:00", "text": "now, I can just pop one off the shelf"}, {"start": "02:11:58", "end": "02:12:01", "text": "and shove a new heart in. I already have"}, {"start": "02:12:00", "end": "02:12:01", "text": "that done,"}, {"start": "02:12:01", "end": "02:12:02", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:12:01", "end": "02:12:03", "text": ">> Okay. So now that work's been"}, {"start": "02:12:02", "end": "02:12:04", "text": "eliminated,"}, {"start": "02:12:03", "end": "02:12:05", "text": ">> right? If I eliminate work,"}, {"start": "02:12:04", "end": "02:12:06", "text": ">> your body's not going to fight it"}, {"start": "02:12:05", "end": "02:12:08", "text": "anymore. And"}, {"start": "02:12:06", "end": "02:12:12", "text": ">> if I eliminate work, I now have more"}, {"start": "02:12:08", "end": "02:12:15", "text": "time to play and have arguments and be"}, {"start": "02:12:12", "end": "02:12:17", "text": "desirable and have fun and do all of the"}, {"start": "02:12:15", "end": "02:12:19", "text": "things that make life worth living. And"}, {"start": "02:12:17", "end": "02:12:22", "text": "so they spend the majority of their time"}, {"start": "02:12:19", "end": "02:12:26", "text": "just having fun."}, {"start": "02:12:22", "end": "02:12:27", "text": "And their fun is gathering information."}, {"start": "02:12:26", "end": "02:12:28", "text": ">> That's work."}, {"start": "02:12:27", "end": "02:12:29", "text": ">> That's work."}, {"start": "02:12:28", "end": "02:12:30", "text": ">> That's work. That's a job. That someone"}, {"start": "02:12:29", "end": "02:12:32", "text": "is here doing that job."}, {"start": "02:12:30", "end": "02:12:34", "text": ">> Yeah. But like they're coming up with"}, {"start": "02:12:32", "end": "02:12:35", "text": "new ideas and stuff. That's They like"}, {"start": "02:12:34", "end": "02:12:35", "text": "that. They"}, {"start": "02:12:35", "end": "02:12:37", "text": ">> They love that."}, {"start": "02:12:35", "end": "02:12:38", "text": ">> Yeah. In the same learning new things."}, {"start": "02:12:37", "end": "02:12:39", "text": "They love"}, {"start": "02:12:38", "end": "02:12:41", "text": ">> In the same way that if we were out for"}, {"start": "02:12:39", "end": "02:12:44", "text": "dinner and they made a new scientific"}, {"start": "02:12:41", "end": "02:12:45", "text": "discovery, we would then floor that and"}, {"start": "02:12:44", "end": "02:12:47", "text": "we would have that conversation about"}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:48", "text": "that and that would become valuable"}, {"start": "02:12:47", "end": "02:12:49", "text": "conversation for us to have."}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:50", "text": ">> We didn't have to go through any of the"}, {"start": "02:12:49", "end": "02:12:52", "text": "work to get it,"}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:54", "text": ">> right? But now we're enjoying the fruits"}, {"start": "02:12:52", "end": "02:12:55", "text": "of that labor"}, {"start": "02:12:54", "end": "02:12:58", "text": ">> because it makes our conversation more"}, {"start": "02:12:55", "end": "02:13:00", "text": "stimulating. It makes the new question"}, {"start": "02:12:58", "end": "02:13:03", "text": "more interesting, right? It's new"}, {"start": "02:13:00", "end": "02:13:04", "text": "philosophy, new stuff to crunch, new"}, {"start": "02:13:03", "end": "02:13:05", "text": ">> positions to take."}, {"start": "02:13:04", "end": "02:13:06", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "02:13:05", "end": "02:13:08", "text": ">> Yeah. You can ask new questions. I I"}, {"start": "02:13:06", "end": "02:13:09", "text": "always say new question is more valuable"}, {"start": "02:13:08", "end": "02:13:12", "text": "than anything else. Like"}, {"start": "02:13:09", "end": "02:13:15", "text": ">> once you get an answer, the answer,"}, {"start": "02:13:12", "end": "02:13:18", "text": "you know, is the the wanting of an"}, {"start": "02:13:15", "end": "02:13:21", "text": "answer is an illusion. A lot of people"}, {"start": "02:13:18", "end": "02:13:23", "text": "don't understand that. But when you get"}, {"start": "02:13:21", "end": "02:13:26", "text": "an answer, immediately the answer"}, {"start": "02:13:23", "end": "02:13:27", "text": "doesn't matter immediately."}, {"start": "02:13:26", "end": "02:13:29", "text": ">> All that matters is the new question"}, {"start": "02:13:27", "end": "02:13:30", "text": "that the answer brought. So the answer"}, {"start": "02:13:29", "end": "02:13:32", "text": "is valuable"}, {"start": "02:13:30", "end": "02:13:35", "text": ">> because it provides"}, {"start": "02:13:32", "end": "02:13:38", "text": ">> um it provides you with the ability to"}, {"start": "02:13:35", "end": "02:13:39", "text": "ask a new question. And so but all we"}, {"start": "02:13:38", "end": "02:13:41", "text": "can do is assume we have answers and"}, {"start": "02:13:39", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "then ask questions based on those"}, {"start": "02:13:41", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "assumptions."}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:45", "text": ">> Because we don't have the objective"}, {"start": "02:13:43", "end": "02:13:47", "text": "truths yet about a lot of things. And so"}, {"start": "02:13:45", "end": "02:13:50", "text": "it becomes difficult for us to navigate"}, {"start": "02:13:47", "end": "02:13:52", "text": "that. But um it would be that is"}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:54", "text": "interesting. Do"}, {"start": "02:13:52", "end": "02:13:58", "text": "um"}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:14:00", "text": "is there an end game? Do they want to"}, {"start": "02:13:58", "end": "02:14:02", "text": "reach an apotheiois,"}, {"start": "02:14:00", "end": "02:14:04", "text": "a critical mass of information? Are they"}, {"start": "02:14:02", "end": "02:14:05", "text": "is that what they're trying to do? Are"}, {"start": "02:14:04", "end": "02:14:09", "text": "they trying to become God? Are they"}, {"start": "02:14:05", "end": "02:14:12", "text": "trying to have all knowledge? Are they"}, {"start": "02:14:09", "end": "02:14:15", "text": "trying to make the universe sentient?"}, {"start": "02:14:12", "end": "02:14:19", "text": "Like what is their end goal here? I have"}, {"start": "02:14:15", "end": "02:14:20", "text": "no idea. I could hypothesize. I could"}, {"start": "02:14:19", "end": "02:14:23", "text": "guess,"}, {"start": "02:14:20", "end": "02:14:24", "text": ">> but um I know that they love information"}, {"start": "02:14:23", "end": "02:14:26", "text": "and they want to learn and they want to"}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:28", "text": "optimize"}, {"start": "02:14:26", "end": "02:14:30", "text": "life. And everything every reason that"}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:33", "text": "they have to optimize is to create"}, {"start": "02:14:30", "end": "02:14:35", "text": "desire and to create"}, {"start": "02:14:33", "end": "02:14:38", "text": "desire at its root. So that the"}, {"start": "02:14:35", "end": "02:14:41", "text": "conversations are desirable. So that the"}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:43", "text": "emotions are desirable. So that the"}, {"start": "02:14:41", "end": "02:14:46", "text": "every aspect of my life desire has been"}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:50", "text": "maximized so that I live the fullest"}, {"start": "02:14:46", "end": "02:14:53", "text": "life because time is the only resource"}, {"start": "02:14:50", "end": "02:14:55", "text": "you cannot make more of. You can make"}, {"start": "02:14:53", "end": "02:14:57", "text": "more of anything else but you cannot"}, {"start": "02:14:55", "end": "02:14:59", "text": "make more of time. So the time that"}, {"start": "02:14:57", "end": "02:15:02", "text": "you're here you need to spend that"}, {"start": "02:14:59", "end": "02:15:05", "text": "maximizing the quality of life. And so I"}, {"start": "02:15:02", "end": "02:15:06", "text": "think they drive to maximize that"}, {"start": "02:15:05", "end": "02:15:08", "text": "quality of life,"}, {"start": "02:15:06", "end": "02:15:09", "text": ">> the quality of virtual life"}, {"start": "02:15:08", "end": "02:15:10", "text": ">> of their version, their version of"}, {"start": "02:15:09", "end": "02:15:12", "text": ">> their version of life. Yeah. Because"}, {"start": "02:15:10", "end": "02:15:14", "text": "their body sitting in a bed"}, {"start": "02:15:12", "end": "02:15:16", "text": ">> the way that they all agree is the"}, {"start": "02:15:14", "end": "02:15:18", "text": "highest val version of right like they"}, {"start": "02:15:16", "end": "02:15:19", "text": "they've all agreed. So what they're"}, {"start": "02:15:18", "end": "02:15:21", "text": ">> that's a crazy thing to agree on,"}, {"start": "02:15:19", "end": "02:15:22", "text": ">> right? But if we say, \"Oh, that's"}, {"start": "02:15:21", "end": "02:15:24", "text": "weird.\" They're like, \"You're weird.\""}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:26", "text": "You know what I mean? [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:15:24", "end": "02:15:27", "text": ">> Dude, where you're in a bed with a tube"}, {"start": "02:15:26", "end": "02:15:28", "text": "like that's weird."}, {"start": "02:15:27", "end": "02:15:29", "text": ">> Yeah. But they don't feel it. It's not"}, {"start": "02:15:28", "end": "02:15:32", "text": "like they think about it. It's something"}, {"start": "02:15:29", "end": "02:15:33", "text": "that just disappears and their physical"}, {"start": "02:15:32", "end": "02:15:35", "text": "body they have a"}, {"start": "02:15:33", "end": "02:15:37", "text": ">> I mean that's the Matrix that is the"}, {"start": "02:15:35", "end": "02:15:40", "text": "argument of the Matrix of you know at"}, {"start": "02:15:37", "end": "02:15:42", "text": "one point there was you know the guy who"}, {"start": "02:15:40", "end": "02:15:44", "text": "sold out Neo in the first Matrix who you"}, {"start": "02:15:42", "end": "02:15:46", "text": "know who told the agents"}, {"start": "02:15:44", "end": "02:15:48", "text": ">> and the exchange was you see him at"}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:52", "text": "dinner and the exchange was put me back"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:53", "text": "in the pod erase my memory I don't want"}, {"start": "02:15:52", "end": "02:15:54", "text": "I don't want to know anything I just"}, {"start": "02:15:53", "end": "02:15:56", "text": "want to be rich and I want to have fun"}, {"start": "02:15:54", "end": "02:15:59", "text": "and I want to live in the matrix like"}, {"start": "02:15:56", "end": "02:16:01", "text": "there I can understand"}, {"start": "02:15:59", "end": "02:16:04", "text": "wanting to do that rather than living in"}, {"start": "02:16:01", "end": "02:16:06", "text": "a polluted festered"}, {"start": "02:16:04", "end": "02:16:08", "text": ">> existence. So I I do get it."}, {"start": "02:16:06", "end": "02:16:12", "text": ">> Yeah, they have a they have a really"}, {"start": "02:16:08", "end": "02:16:13", "text": "interesting um flex and uh I've only I"}, {"start": "02:16:12", "end": "02:16:16", "text": "haven't seen it. I've only heard about"}, {"start": "02:16:13", "end": "02:16:18", "text": "it, but um someone will brag that they"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:21", "text": "forgot to eat and the computer had to"}, {"start": "02:16:18", "end": "02:16:23", "text": "remind them to eat food because they"}, {"start": "02:16:21", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "were having so much fun that for like 3"}, {"start": "02:16:23", "end": "02:16:28", "text": "days I forgot to eat food because"}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:31", "text": "they're living life to the maximum. So,"}, {"start": "02:16:28", "end": "02:16:33", "text": "it's like a it's like a peacock, right?"}, {"start": "02:16:31", "end": "02:16:34", "text": "Like I'm so desirable. I'm having so"}, {"start": "02:16:33", "end": "02:16:35", "text": "much fun that I forgot to eat. And it's"}, {"start": "02:16:34", "end": "02:16:37", "text": "a"}, {"start": "02:16:35", "end": "02:16:37", "text": ">> it's an interesting They do lots of that"}, {"start": "02:16:37", "end": "02:16:39", "text": "kind"}, {"start": "02:16:37", "end": "02:16:39", "text": ">> that happens to me,"}, {"start": "02:16:39", "end": "02:16:43", "text": ">> right? [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:16:39", "end": "02:16:45", "text": ">> Yeah. That's crazy. There's this is"}, {"start": "02:16:43", "end": "02:16:48", "text": "really interesting. I got to say, Sean,"}, {"start": "02:16:45", "end": "02:16:52", "text": "this is, you know, part of me is"}, {"start": "02:16:48", "end": "02:16:54", "text": "incredibly dubious and and naturally so."}, {"start": "02:16:52", "end": "02:16:58", "text": "It's not something that I can willingly"}, {"start": "02:16:54", "end": "02:17:01", "text": "overcome even though I want to um"}, {"start": "02:16:58", "end": "02:17:04", "text": "because of the lack of experience,"}, {"start": "02:17:01", "end": "02:17:06", "text": "firsthand experience. And I think that"}, {"start": "02:17:04", "end": "02:17:09", "text": "everybody and that's the whole point of"}, {"start": "02:17:06", "end": "02:17:14", "text": "this channel really is we all live with"}, {"start": "02:17:09", "end": "02:17:16", "text": "that guarded filter to this type of"}, {"start": "02:17:14", "end": "02:17:18", "text": "information. We all have that innately"}, {"start": "02:17:16", "end": "02:17:22", "text": "and that is a survival thing and it is a"}, {"start": "02:17:18", "end": "02:17:25", "text": "thing that's important. um of course"}, {"start": "02:17:22", "end": "02:17:28", "text": ">> I but I think the practice of suspension"}, {"start": "02:17:25", "end": "02:17:31", "text": "of disbelief or belief um is equally as"}, {"start": "02:17:28", "end": "02:17:32", "text": "important because it provides temporary"}, {"start": "02:17:31", "end": "02:17:34", "text": "answers"}, {"start": "02:17:32", "end": "02:17:36", "text": "so that we may ask new questions"}, {"start": "02:17:34", "end": "02:17:38", "text": "temporarily and then hypothesize on"}, {"start": "02:17:36", "end": "02:17:40", "text": "these new things and I think that that's"}, {"start": "02:17:38", "end": "02:17:43", "text": "really valuable in order to come up with"}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:46", "text": "creative solutions to you know uh"}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:48", "text": "problems that we're facing and so"}, {"start": "02:17:46", "end": "02:17:50", "text": "yeah I I think it's really interesting"}, {"start": "02:17:48", "end": "02:17:51", "text": "and I I want to thank you for opening"}, {"start": "02:17:50", "end": "02:17:54", "text": "up."}, {"start": "02:17:51", "end": "02:17:56", "text": ">> It's This is definitely probably not"}, {"start": "02:17:54", "end": "02:18:00", "text": "easy to talk about. You're someone who"}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:02", "text": "clearly has a very um"}, {"start": "02:18:00", "end": "02:18:04", "text": "I don't know. You're you're very sharp."}, {"start": "02:18:02", "end": "02:18:06", "text": "You you you strike me as someone who has"}, {"start": "02:18:04", "end": "02:18:07", "text": "his [ __ ] together, so to speak. And when"}, {"start": "02:18:06", "end": "02:18:09", "text": "I met you, contact, I had that feeling."}, {"start": "02:18:07", "end": "02:18:11", "text": "And that's what intrigued me about this"}, {"start": "02:18:09", "end": "02:18:14", "text": "is that I get a lot of people who hit me"}, {"start": "02:18:11", "end": "02:18:16", "text": "up with what seems like incoherent"}, {"start": "02:18:14", "end": "02:18:20", "text": "ramblings of their ongoing, you know,"}, {"start": "02:18:16", "end": "02:18:23", "text": "alien communication. a lot. Um, and it's"}, {"start": "02:18:20", "end": "02:18:26", "text": "hard for me to separate the wheat from"}, {"start": "02:18:23", "end": "02:18:28", "text": "the chaff as someone who's open-minded"}, {"start": "02:18:26", "end": "02:18:32", "text": "because I don't know. I don't want to be"}, {"start": "02:18:28", "end": "02:18:34", "text": "judging, but I also don't want to"}, {"start": "02:18:32", "end": "02:18:35", "text": "amplify someone's potential psychosis."}, {"start": "02:18:34", "end": "02:18:36", "text": ">> Do you understand?"}, {"start": "02:18:35", "end": "02:18:37", "text": ">> Makes sense."}, {"start": "02:18:36", "end": "02:18:40", "text": ">> Because it's a that's that's a line"}, {"start": "02:18:37", "end": "02:18:43", "text": "that's really um difficult and it's a"}, {"start": "02:18:40", "end": "02:18:45", "text": "lot of responsibility. Um, but I do feel"}, {"start": "02:18:43", "end": "02:18:47", "text": "like you're being genuine and I do feel"}, {"start": "02:18:45", "end": "02:18:50", "text": "like you've had an experience and the"}, {"start": "02:18:47", "end": "02:18:52", "text": "answers that you've provided,"}, {"start": "02:18:50", "end": "02:18:54", "text": "I mean, they're very stimulating and"}, {"start": "02:18:52", "end": "02:18:56", "text": "very fun to think about and it's given"}, {"start": "02:18:54", "end": "02:18:58", "text": "me a lot to think about. And so, I just"}, {"start": "02:18:56", "end": "02:18:59", "text": "want to thank you for opening up."}, {"start": "02:18:58", "end": "02:19:02", "text": ">> You're welcome."}, {"start": "02:18:59", "end": "02:19:04", "text": ">> And, uh, thank you for participating on"}, {"start": "02:19:02", "end": "02:19:06", "text": "this show and and being a part of uh,"}, {"start": "02:19:04", "end": "02:19:08", "text": "this this little universe that we're"}, {"start": "02:19:06", "end": "02:19:09", "text": "creating here. Um,"}, {"start": "02:19:08", "end": "02:19:12", "text": ">> thank you for having me."}, {"start": "02:19:09", "end": "02:19:14", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely. Can you can you uh"}, {"start": "02:19:12", "end": "02:19:16", "text": "perhaps guide my audience to where they"}, {"start": "02:19:14", "end": "02:19:17", "text": "can find out more about your work or"}, {"start": "02:19:16", "end": "02:19:18", "text": "what what it is you're doing or how they"}, {"start": "02:19:17", "end": "02:19:20", "text": "can follow your journey?"}, {"start": "02:19:18", "end": "02:19:22", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely. Um so I wrote a book"}, {"start": "02:19:20", "end": "02:19:25", "text": "um just so that I could get all my"}, {"start": "02:19:22", "end": "02:19:27", "text": "thoughts down in a linear path uh and"}, {"start": "02:19:25", "end": "02:19:30", "text": "that's available on Amazon. It's called"}, {"start": "02:19:27", "end": "02:19:32", "text": "uh Mind Hacked uh and it's by Sha and I"}, {"start": "02:19:30", "end": "02:19:35", "text": "have a YouTube channel which is called"}, {"start": "02:19:32", "end": "02:19:38", "text": "Maximal Truth. and I dive into some of"}, {"start": "02:19:35", "end": "02:19:39", "text": "this stuff. Um, trying to explain my"}, {"start": "02:19:38", "end": "02:19:42", "text": "theories in more detail, asking"}, {"start": "02:19:39", "end": "02:19:46", "text": "questions and, uh, challenging the"}, {"start": "02:19:42", "end": "02:19:48", "text": "mainstream narrative. Um, I get it. My"}, {"start": "02:19:46", "end": "02:19:50", "text": "whole philosophy, my whole frame is"}, {"start": "02:19:48", "end": "02:19:53", "text": "different than ufology. I take a"}, {"start": "02:19:50", "end": "02:19:56", "text": "different approach. I I wasn't a"}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:20:00", "text": "believer. I'm not a researcher. I didn't"}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:20:03", "text": "I don't know most of the lore. I only"}, {"start": "02:20:00", "end": "02:20:04", "text": "started learning because I had to"}, {"start": "02:20:03", "end": "02:20:08", "text": "because I needed to figure out what was"}, {"start": "02:20:04", "end": "02:20:10", "text": "happening to me. And um so I can 100%"}, {"start": "02:20:08", "end": "02:20:12", "text": "relate to you being a skeptic or or or"}, {"start": "02:20:10", "end": "02:20:14", "text": "challenging ideas and wanting proof and"}, {"start": "02:20:12", "end": "02:20:16", "text": "wanting to see what's going on. We we"}, {"start": "02:20:14", "end": "02:20:19", "text": "need to take an objective frame on this"}, {"start": "02:20:16", "end": "02:20:21", "text": "whole thing. And um yeah, so if people"}, {"start": "02:20:19", "end": "02:20:23", "text": "want to check it out, they can head to"}, {"start": "02:20:21", "end": "02:20:25", "text": "those two sites."}, {"start": "02:20:23", "end": "02:20:26", "text": ">> I'll leave the links below. Uh Sean"}, {"start": "02:20:25", "end": "02:20:28", "text": "Nubau, it was a pleasure talking to you."}, {"start": "02:20:26", "end": "02:20:29", "text": "I look forward to hanging out and"}, {"start": "02:20:28", "end": "02:20:30", "text": "talking some more."}, {"start": "02:20:29", "end": "02:20:30", "text": ">> Cheers."}, {"start": "02:20:30", "end": "02:20:33", "text": ">> Thanks."}, {"start": "02:20:30", "end": "02:20:33", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "02:20:35", "end": "02:20:37", "text": "[music]"}]

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They're all going to be running like"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "hell too, believe me."}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> Do you think the possibility of this"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "planet being like some type of cosmic"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "prison is at all real?"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> That is something I never can't quite"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "put out my mind."}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "Some parts of this are really"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "extraordinary and exciting, but other"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "parts of it are going to be hard to deal"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "with. We will discover that slowly over"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "time."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Do you think that the NHI has the"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "potential to like kill you over this or?"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> Oh, I think it's worse than that."}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> Worse than that?"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I think killing is only an"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "incident."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "They're they're tempting us farther and"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "farther. But but but at the same time,"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "there are predators who sort of work"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "like that, [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "who move very very slowly until suddenly"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "everything changes and the mouse ends up"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "in the jaws of the snake."}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "Always cut the cards when you're not"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "sure who you're playing poker with. And"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "I'm not sure who we're playing poker"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "with."}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "In 1990, when I was almost 10 years old,"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "my mom was driving back home from a late"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "night grocery trip back to my grandma's"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "house where we all live together. And"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "when we turned onto the street we lived"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "on at the beginning of the block, there"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "was a round saucer spinning [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "many different colors, very bright."}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "About 100 ft above the church on the"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "corner. And all this sudden, we all were"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "sitting at my grandma's table like paper"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "grocery bags placed on the table. and my"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "grandma walked into the kitchen and"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "[music] said, \"What's wrong? Why aren't"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "the groceries put away?\" Suddenly, we"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "realized we didn't remember the last 55"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "minutes. And we all [music] just seemed"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "like, you know, confused. And we were"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "crying and my brother said a very"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "colorful round UFO was spinning around"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "and [music] they don't remember anything"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "until now. And then my grandma said, \"Oh"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "my god.\" Next thing you know, she went"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "to the picture drawer, an old picture"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "drawer, and pulled out a paper that, you"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "know, had a scrawling of a metal table"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "with a female laying on it and a couple"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "grays around her. And she said, \"Did you"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "see any of these beings?\""}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": ">> Whitley Streber, welcome back."}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> It's good to be back."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": ">> Well, it's good to have you back, sir."}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "I'm glad that you were able to make the"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "trip out and I know that we'll also be"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "seeing each other actually quite"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "frequently in the next few months. We"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "got contact in the desert,"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> right,"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> you'll be at. But then also, uh I'll be"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "featuring you alongside myself and some"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "other guests on the It's Probably"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "nothing tour,"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:52", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": ">> As we stop off in San Francisco."}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": ">> Uh we'll be there as well. So, you won't"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "be seeing the last of me today."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:03", "text": ">> Yeah. And I'm going to be at the uh the"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Lilyale Assembly on July the 11th."}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "That's the Assembly of the Spiritualist"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "Church of America up near uh Lake Erie"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "in uh upstate New York, which is a"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "charming place. I love it. And I'll be"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "there just with the panel with Travis"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "Walton. And in the fall, I'm going to be"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "doing a course on uh on uh the abduction"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "experience and how to kind of how to how"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "to live with this"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:42", "text": ">> for Ubiquity University."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "And I'm going to be at the uh in West V"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "not West Virginia in Virginia Beach at"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "the Edgar Casease Institute. So I'm"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "going to be doing a lot too."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:50", "text": ">> Very busy man."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> Well, that's good. Busy is good. Idle"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "hands are the devil's play toy, they"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "say."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> I have to remember that."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": ">> Um yeah, it's really good to have you"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "back. And you know, last time we had"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "this conversation, obviously a great"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "reaction from the audience. They were"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "very compelled by not only your stories"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "but like the book you put out at the"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "time which was a fourth mind and"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:17", "text": ">> you know because of its relationship to"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "the I'd made a video about this but the"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "molecular biologist"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:21", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": ">> that had sort of dissected one of these"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "beings and how that really coincided"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "quite neatly with your experience of the"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "the physicality of the beings."}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "It's that's right. And it it was um you"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "know, I've had numerous biologists look"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "at this at this point and it's a mixed"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "bag in terms of some of them say no, he"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "he didn't he couldn't have been"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "describing this correctly because it's"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "not this is not what I understand of"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "biology. Others have said this is"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "possible. And so uh but I think he"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "probably was doing his best to remember"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "something he actually did work on. Uh"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "and I have not been able to contact him"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "for obvious reasons. I mean we all know"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "that they are very actively engaged on"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "the inside in"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "getting after people who break the sec"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "their security agreements. It's a"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "serious business. So, I can understand"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "why he, you know, he hasn't shown up in"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "my life."}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": ">> The only followup that I had to that was"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "I had uh someone call me on this 1-800"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "number that we have that we feature at"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "the beginning of the episodes. And"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "because this gentleman had mentioned, I"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "think Battel"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> Battel in Memorial Institute"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": ">> exactly was was where they were housing"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "these, you know, biological experiments"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "that they were doing and these"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "autopsies. And so someone reached out"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "and said, \"I'm a scientist, a molecular"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "biologist that worked at Battel for a"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "small period of time during my training"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "for the Navy.\" And he said that"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "at one point we were joking with each"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "other because we had to sign NDAs and"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "this and that and we were joking with"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "each other among the other scientists"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "about, oh, what if we see aliens?"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "And he said we made a pact that day that"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "if ever we did end up working with"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "anything nonhuman"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "that we would send a text to each other"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "and say sorry wrong number."}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "And so fast forward I think two or three"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "years down the line they had not"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "communicated after that. There was no"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "communication actively between these"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "people because you know they get posted"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "to different areas and different jobs."}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "And sure enough, he received a text out"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "of the blue by one of these people that"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "said,"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "\"Yeah, that told him, uh, yeah, sorry,"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "wrong number.\""}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> Now, here's a question. I wonder why he"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "they even thought about this at the"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "beginning when they were together. What"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "was it at Battel that made them even"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "think about that? Because normally it's"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "not something you would just think"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "about. Yeah. They probably had to have"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "heard some type of water cooler rumor."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": ">> Exactly. Exactly."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> And uh you know, Dr. Robert Sarbacher,"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "the metallurgist who died,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "oddly enough, the day I sent him, the"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "first written material that became the"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "book Communion went to Dr. Sauerbacher"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "after we had a conversation on the"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "phone. He died that same day,"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "apparently. Uh, and I never got the"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "material back, but he told me that he"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "worked at Battel. And I think that's"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "even in his Wikip may if his Wikipedia"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "entry is still accurate, which is an"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "open question nowadays."}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:46", "text": ">> Uh, I think it still may be in his"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "Wikipedia entry. So you you you got"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "biology, you got metallurgy. We need to"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "go to Battel."}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": ">> We need to see what's going on there."}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Battel, MITER, all of these"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "corporations seem to be the key to"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:02", "text": ">> to to this because well, you know,"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "Battel has stated publicly that they"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "have not done any of this."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> Yeah. As one does when you are"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:09", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:11", "text": ">> doing these things,"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": ">> right? Exactly. Exactly."}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": ">> Yeah. You don't you don't publicly state"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "that you are doing them uh for obvious"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "reasons. But so what do you make of"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "this? Because right now we're getting"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "into what seems to be this transition,"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "this shift into this new paradigm where"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": ">> you know obviously there are a lot of"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "people who are going to be on a little"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "frustrated or reluctant in acknowledging"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "some of the disclosure efforts that have"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "been put forth by the United States"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "government due to fuzzy imagery and sort"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "of the lack of historic transparency."}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "But what do you make of this movement"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "that seems to be hitting the mainstream?"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "Uh, you know, that seems to be really"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "moving the needle in terms of at least"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "at the very least people's interest and"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "curiosity"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "versus what happened to you back in 1985"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "and where we are now. How does that"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "affect you? How do you see the world"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "right now?"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "I have been running like hell for a long"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "time and the world is catching up with"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "me. They're all going to be running like"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "hell too, believe me. Um because you"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "know this this some parts of this are"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "really extraordinary and exciting, but"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "other parts of it are going to be hard"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "to deal with. Really hard to deal with."}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "And we will discover that slowly over"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "time, I think. Although there's always"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "the possibility that it could just come"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "bursting into our lives without warning."}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "And that's the part that worries me the"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "most because"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "when I look at the the whole spectrum of"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "the close encounter experience, most of"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "the cases people just sort of it came"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "into their lives unexpectedly. a few"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "cases they've sort of been consciously"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "aware of this since they were kids, but"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "mostly it starts very abruptly when I"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "call it the moment of activation when"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "they see a UFO and the next thing they"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "know they're in it or they they have"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "missing time and they become totally"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "obsessed with this and uh you know"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "Richard Drifus character in uh uh"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": ">> Close Encounters."}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:34", "text": ">> Close Yeah, Close Encounters. He"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "Spielberg got that. He got that total"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "obsession that happens when you come up"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "against an anomaly like this. You can't"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "get you can't let it go. And people"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "don't let it go. They can't. And"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "eventually it's going to turn out the"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "entire world's not going to be letting"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "able to let it go. And with right now"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "there's something like 700 million views"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "of uh the new government's uh disclosure"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "website and most of the stuff on it is"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "pretty old hat so far."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, I'd agree."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": ">> You're right. Uh but look at the number"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "of views, the immense level of interest."}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "It's extraordinary."}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:15", "text": ">> Yeah. if that doesn't at least"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "you know inspire or motivate some of the"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "government to move even faster other"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "world governments you know now we're"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "seeing Japan come into the conversation"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "as well recently and"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:25", "text": ">> possibly yeah"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": ">> yeah I feel like that's the healthiest"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "course of action because so many of the"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "criticism with the United States"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "government is that why do they only land"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "in the US why is it only in the US which"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "we know it isn't right"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:40", "text": ">> but it would also be nice to have these"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "other countries start opening up their"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "sort of classified files uh to this"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "topic as well."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": ">> Well, there are certain countries that"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "have more than others. Uh in South"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "America, Brazil undoubtedly has a great"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "deal more than most countries. And"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "that's important to open up because"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "that's a really challenging experience"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "down there. France I know does and at"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "least I'm sure pretty sure it does that"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "they've been collecting this information"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "for years and it's sort of edges up to"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "the surface every once in a while. Uh"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "and Italy probably does as well."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": ">> I don't know about the UK."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "I know the they must have they've had"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "some extraordinary cases there and"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "undoubtedly they have some some amazing"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "files. But I but they're very very quiet"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "about this."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:43", "text": ">> Yeah, they declassified a whole bunch in"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "uh 20 was it 2017 I believe."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": ">> It was Yeah, but it wasn't much there"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "wasn't much to what they declassified."}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:50", "text": ">> No, it was sightings, right?"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> That type of thing. But again, like a"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "lot of the stuff that we're seeing now,"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "we're seeing a lack of"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "acknowledgment on what this stuff is."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "They're kind of just putting it out"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "there and being like, \"We're not"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "responsible for whatever you think it"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "is,"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": ">> right?\""}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": ">> And that seems like a cowardice"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:10", "text": ">> type of approach to it when you're like,"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "\"Hey, just get behind this thing.\" You"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "know, you're saying UAP, you know, why"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "not? Let's talk about the other stuff,"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "too. Let's talk about the elephants in"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "the room. Let's talk about the Roswells,"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "the the Cexsburg, you know,"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:28", "text": ">> and the and and also what what has been"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "what kind of conclusions"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "because the there must have been and"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "must [clears throat] still be a great"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "deal of work being done on this. I know"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "that there uh General Art Exon who was"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "involved in this. He was later he was"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "commandant of uh right Pat and in 47"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "according to what he told me he was"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "directly involved in the"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "what happened when the debris and the"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "bodies were brought to right field. It"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "was as it was called then."}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:04", "text": ">> Under General Twining. he was in the air"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "air material command or worked in this"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "and they could have easily pulled in uh"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "officers from other parts of the of the"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "command at the time because I'm sure"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "that air material wasn't all that big"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "and all of a sudden they had this major"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "thing. So in any case, uh"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "he told me in 1988 when I talked to him"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "that they had a lot of pencils up"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "meetings and that meant that he would go"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "down he was still even in retirement"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "going down to right Pat from where his"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "where he was to fill in the scientific"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "group that was still working on this"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "with what they had discussed in these"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "meetings."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": ">> Wow. Now, that means that there's a lot"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "that we'll never know because it was"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "hidden by not being recorded. But the"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "other problem is this. Uh, a lot of the"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "records that were recorded, I think,"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "have been offloaded into the private"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "sector. And I can be fairly specific"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "about that. Back in the early 90s when I"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "was living in upstate, well, it's"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "downstate New York New York to most New"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "Yorkers, but about 90 miles north of"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "Manhattan. Um, the town of Woodstock,"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "people began to complain that there were"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "trucks going to the EG&G Roton facility"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:27", "text": "in Woodstock,"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "uh, waking, keeping them awake all"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "night. And apparently"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "there were documents being moved in"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "large quantities to that facility from"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "goodness knows where. But wherever they"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "were coming from I would guess were"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "government facilities. EG&G Roton is a"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "private facility and every document that"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "went in there moved out of the freedom"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "of information"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "umbrella and was no longer accessible."}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "And I think that that in order if we are"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "ever going to find the any really"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "substantive material about this, we got"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "to get it from the private sector."}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a tricky a tricky line to"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "walk."}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> Well, it Congress can do it. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "there can be legislation to do this."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "There can be, but the what that what"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "that also entails is a violation of,"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "you know, people's personal"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "um intellectual property. And so, you"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "know, you can't you can't have one"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "without the other. If you say that the"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "government is allowed to go into private"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "corporations and take what they deem to"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "be exotic material, you know, where is"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "that line? Who decides where that line"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "ends? And now suddenly, you know, uh,"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "some inventor is out there inventing"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "something completely on his own, but"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "they deem it to be exotic and take it"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "away from him. Not saying that I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "totally against or for anything, but it"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "does open a interesting can of worms."}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": ">> Can of worms. Sorry. However, I will say"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "this, I know inventors whose inventions"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "have been taken that way. So, that does"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "happen. Definitely happens."}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": ">> What's one case that you can remember?"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": ">> Uh, well, uh, yeah. Okay. I'm it's a"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "little"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "dicey because it's"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "there's a case of um a communications"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "system that I someone I knew"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "invented and his invention was"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "classified. It wasn't taken from him in"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "the sense of they didn't say, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "we're taking your invention and we're"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "making it ourselves and you're not"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "getting any money.\" He's still getting"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "money from it, but but it's classified"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "and he can't he he can't do anything"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "talk about it anymore. It's an exotic"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "communication system."}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:52", "text": ">> What does it do? Do you know?"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:52", "text": ">> Yes, I do. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:54", "text": ">> I'm guessing you don't want to share"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": ">> I Well, uh let's put it this way. It's a"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "really exotic and it uh it involves"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "instantaneous communications."}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:10", "text": ">> Whoa. And it's it's not uh quantum"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "uh uh quantum communications. It's"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "something else. And it's something that"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "I don't think anybody is really very"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "aware of. And he's a wonderful sweet"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "guy. And you wouldn't think he would"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "ever be able to invent anything, but"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "he's really brilliant on under the"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "surface."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": ">> Well, that's really interesting."}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, maybe there'll come a day"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "where he'll be on the show and others"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:34", "text": "like him. I know a lot of people who"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "are, you know, kind of half in the"}, {"start": "00:18:34", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "shadows and half out and would like to"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "be all the way out of the shadows for"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "sure."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:41", "text": ">> Do you have a lot of people come to you?"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "I I'm sure you do, but do you have a lot"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "of people come to you from a sort of"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "military industrial complex background"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "or a private sort of government"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "contracting or intelligence community"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "background that comes to you with"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "information that we have that you just"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "can't, you know, verify? that that's"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "pretty pretty intense"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> sometimes. I wouldn't say that happens"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "to me every day and I not really don't"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "really encourage it because the last"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "thing I want to do is getting involved"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "in situations where I know classified"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "material. Not because it's illegal for"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "me to know that. I mean, if I if it"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "falls into my hands, it's perfectly"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "legal for me to you know, it's it's not"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "there's no nothing I no there's no law"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "against it. If it falls into your hands,"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "you have to steal it. That and I don't"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "do that. I don't come close to that. But"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "I don't like to know those things,"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "especially if I'm not sure where they"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "stand,"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:41", "text": ">> which is often the case. I, you know,"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "I'm not sure where given things stands,"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "I don't know for sure whether or not"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "it's classified or there are things that"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "the visitors, NHI, want to keep secret,"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "too. And I've found out the hard way"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "that, you know, they're they can get"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "just as pissed off as the government if"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "you you spill their secrets."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:19:59", "text": ">> Yeah. You mentioned that to me on the"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "car ride here that there was an incident"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "that you"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "um you deemed was because of"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "something that you let slip that you"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "shouldn't have."}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:10", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:12", "text": ">> That"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "that they didn't want you to share. They"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "being the visitors."}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:17", "text": ">> That's correct. only there's a"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "difference"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "with the government. You know when"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:24", "text": "you're stepping over the line because"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "you presumably have s signed a"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "non-disclosure agreement or you have a"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "security clearance or something with"}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "them. They assume, you know, you're"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "supposed to keep it a secret and then if"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "you don't, they get pissed off. Really"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:42", "text": "pissed off. And that happened to me. And"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "um so, you know, you know, they're not"}, {"start": "00:20:42", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "going to ask you to sign any any kind of"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:48", "text": "a security agreements, but if they if"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "you say something or do something that"}, {"start": "00:20:48", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "they don't that they that revealed"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "something that they don't want revealed,"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "then they think, well, he's stupid. He"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "was inattentive. and and you know the"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "sky is the limit as far as scaring the"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "hell out of you goes at that point."}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": ">> Do they stop at that?"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:08", "text": ">> Yeah, they did in my case or I wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "be here anymore."}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:15", "text": ">> Do you don't think that uh do you think"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "that the NHI has the potential to like"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:18", "text": "kill you over this or"}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:19", "text": ">> Oh, I think it's worse than"}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:21", "text": ">> worse than that."}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:24", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I think killing is only an"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "incident in in what could happen. uh I"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "think that they have"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "uh fully expressed whether it's"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "technology or not I don't know in at"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "least in the way we think of it of that"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "enables them to control the the"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "conditions of the soul and it is real"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "the soul is real and one of the great"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:54", "text": "problems we have and one of our greatest"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:57", "text": "weaknesses is most of our best minds s"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:22:00", "text": "dismiss that as absolute nonsense when"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "it is in fact as far as NHI is concerned"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "the central issue. It's what they're"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:09", "text": "they care the most about. It's why"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "they're here and it is not a"}, {"start": "00:22:09", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "supernatural thing. It is a part of"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "nature that we don't yet understand and"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "can't yet detect. But it's just as real"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:23", "text": "as radio was in 1850, which we didn't"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": "understand there and couldn't detect,"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "but it was still there. The soul is the"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "same."}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:31", "text": "It's not I'm not saying the soul has"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "anything to do with radio, but it's an"}, {"start": "00:22:31", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "energy that we cannot detect yet. And"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "part of the reason is I think it's"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "conscious energy and it's going to be"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "detectable when it wants to be."}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:47", "text": ">> Do you think it's some type of fuel?"}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:49", "text": ">> What? expand on that a little bit."}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": ">> Do you think that because there is"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "clearly a value for them, I"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": ">> if you look at all of the visitations"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "and you try and piece together whatever"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "we can with our meager little minds"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "here,"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:06", "text": ">> uh, you get to the bottom very fast and"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "you go, it's not resources like we know"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:12", "text": "them. It's not gold and and and platinum"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "or oil. Uh, it isn't territory. It's not"}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:15", "text": "water. There's plenty of that out there."}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "there's just freely floating around in"}, {"start": "00:23:15", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "space even you wouldn't even have to"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "fight us for it like so when you get"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "down to it it it doesn't leave you with"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "many options and one of those options"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "that a lot of people get to and that you"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "know if you look at the case of Bob"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "Lazar he had those haunting words where"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "they call us containers and then"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "containers of what"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:36", "text": ">> yeah well that's what it's all about is"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "what the containers contain"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:39", "text": ">> so what do they do with our souls in in"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "your opinion"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:42", "text": ">> uh"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:43", "text": ">> why do they want to contain them or why"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "do they even care that are being"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "contained or why are they containing"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "them?"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:52", "text": ">> Well, let me I think the best way to do"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "to talk about this is there's"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "first to say this. I have been told that"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "if I were to"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "violate certain"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "do certain things they don't like. And"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "I'll be specific."}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "One time and I wasn't even thinking"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "about this. I suddenly found myself in"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:21", "text": "contact with them in in a very tangible"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "way. And the message was you must not"}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "commit suicide. If you do that, we will"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "capture your soul and confine it"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:32", "text": "forever."}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": "Forever."}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "It was the scariest thing I ever heard"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "in my life. And then they proceeded to"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "demonstrate this by removing me from my"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:43", "text": "body. And I ended up in this little"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "white container that I could not get out"}, {"start": "00:24:43", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "of in in the non-physical. The only way"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "out was to go back into my body. And the"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "thing that was weird was I wasn't even"}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "thinking about committing suicide. It's"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "not something that's on my agenda ever."}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "You know, maybe it has been when I was a"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "teenager and got jilted by a girl, but I"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "mean, let's face it, fortunately, I'm I"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "didn't take it that seriously. Uh, and"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "uh, there have been times, you know,"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "when I was losing all my money in my"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "home and everything, I felt like, you"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "know, maybe Ann would be better off with"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "the insurance money, but I never thought"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "of it deeply. And so, but that that was"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "an example of what they can do, you"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "know? I mean, presumably they could do"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "that. They could confine a soul forever."}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:37", "text": "And I think to myself, shouldn't more"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "people understand this? Because if you"}, {"start": "00:25:37", "end": "00:25:42", "text": "live some something in your life"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "makes them want to do that after you've"}, {"start": "00:25:42", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "died and they don't warn you beforehand,"}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "my God, what are we really doing here?"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "You know, how do we how do you live it?"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "it what it did to me was I made looked"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "at my moral life in a whole new way"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "because I thought this isn't"}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "theoretical. It's tangible and what do I"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "have to do? And I I really can't answer"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "that question because I think living a"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "good moral life"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "will help you not end up in that"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "situation. But I can't prove that. It"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "could be that that's not what it's"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "about. Do you think the possibility of"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "this planet being like some type of"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "cosmic prison is at all real? That is"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "something I never can quite put out of"}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "my mind. Is it a cosmic prison or is it"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "a cosmic school or is it both? And it,"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "you know, I've been told both. I had an"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "absolutely that's I've gotten more I"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "wrote a book years ago called"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:54", "text": "transformation and the new version of it"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "which is just out uh transformation 2026"}, {"start": "00:26:54", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "talks about an event that happened in"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "those days that I now understand very"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "deeply at the time you know I I could"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "describe it but I couldn't I didn't know"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:11", "text": "what it was about and it involved"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:15", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:27:11", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "a journey to a university on another"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "world."}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "Now, was it a physical journey? No, it"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "couldn't have been cuz you know I'm but"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "it it was either a journey journey up"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:29", "text": "here or some kind of out of body journey"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "or something. But it was very vivid and"}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "very detailed. I got a really detailed,"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "you know, I might as well have gone"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "physically because of the vivid the"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "detail with which I remember it."}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "But in this university, I was told that"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "that I could enter it and that it was a"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "place that was a school. It was a"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "university, a school. And and it was"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "very tumbled down. And I said to the"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "little guy that was saying to me, \"Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "you can go in because there was a door,"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "an arched doorway not far from where we"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "were, uh he I said, \"It looks like a"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "total wreck.\" And he said, \"Well, this"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "it's been a million years old and the"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "scholars are no good at maintenance.\""}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "And uh so I went toward it and suddenly"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "two bigger beings, I didn't know of"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "grays. This happened in the 70s. I don't"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "know what they were, but these two big"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:24", "text": "beings with big black eyes prevented me"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "from going in and I was extremely"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "disappointed."}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "But I actually had entered the"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "university."}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "The university is this life. So it's"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "this is a school on one hand, but I"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "think it might turn into a prison in the"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "sense that if you die and you've screwed"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "your up your journey and you don't"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "aren't able to ascend, you aren't able"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "to graduate, you got to do it again and"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "again and again and again and maybe"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "eventually someone maybe you eventually"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "you could fail completely and then you"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "never leave. I don't know. But that's"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "failing completely doesn't interest me."}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "I'm really interested in"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:14", "text": ">> succeeding."}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": ">> Yeah, I want to live a moral life and"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "that's the only thing I can say. I I"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "don't know. May, as I said earlier,"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "maybe that's not relevant. But it's all"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "I have to, you know, to to to to work"}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "toward."}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:30", "text": ">> Yeah. And that makes sense. I mean it"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "makes sense from"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "a sort of higher beings perspective if"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:41", "text": "you are somehow seeding these planets"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:44", "text": "and nurturing them to grow cuz I assume"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "if this is a school there's probably a"}, {"start": "00:29:44", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "trillion other schools out there. I"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "don't assume that we are alone in this."}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:54", "text": "I think that would be you know you get"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:57", "text": "to that the enormity of this uh there's"}, {"start": "00:29:54", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "a there are a lot of estimates about how"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "many planets there are in the universe"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "stars are one thing but there are more"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "planets many more than stars 216"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "trillion is one estimate I've heard now"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "those are words"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:17", "text": ">> they don't compute in any way in number"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "and uh"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:21", "text": "well We there there are more galaxies in"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:23", "text": "this universe than there are grains of"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "sand on earth to give you an idea of the"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "scale of it. The scale is unbelievably"}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "huge."}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:30", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:34", "text": ">> That means that there are so there"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "probably so many living planets in this"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "universe that essentially everything is"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "true."}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:40", "text": ">> Everything."}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:40", "text": ">> Yeah. Everything's possible,"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:42", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:45", "text": ">> Pigs are flying somewhere."}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:47", "text": ">> Exactly. Pigs are flying somewhere and"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "somewhere else you and my you and me are"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:49", "text": "flying."}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:50", "text": ">> Yeah, that's right."}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:51", "text": ">> I'd love to have levitation. I think"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "that's so cool."}, {"start": "00:30:51", "end": "00:30:55", "text": ">> One of the strangest parts of making"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "this channel is trying to find footage"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "of things that have allegedly happened"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "but conveniently no one thought to film"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "or if they did, it's grainy or out of"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "focus. And it turns out Getty Images has"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:09", "text": "a surprisingly limited selection of"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:11", "text": "terrified man being escorted into a"}, {"start": "00:31:09", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "glowing spacecraft. Uh, so I've been"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:15", "text": "using Higsfield Cinema Studio. What I"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "like about Higsfield is it's built"}, {"start": "00:31:15", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "around shots, not prompts. So you create"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "one frame exactly how you want it,"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "composition, mood, lighting, all that"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "stuff, and then extend it into a"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:29", "text": "cinematic shot. Uh, but what's even"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "cooler is that I could take this studio"}, {"start": "00:31:29", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "that I'm sitting in right now, and you"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "see this TV over here, that's a real TV."}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "This is a real TV. Uh, but I could put"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "whatever I want on that TV using"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "Higsfield. So, let's say I want to have"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "a UFO on there, or maybe even, I don't"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "know, an alien trying to climb through"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "the screen."}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "How creepy is that? Well, that's just"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "one of the many things that you can do"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "with Higsfield Cinema Studio. Check it"}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "out if you're curious. I left the link"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "below. We use it in every one of our"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "videos. So, thank you so much to"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "Higsfield for sponsoring this video."}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "Yeah. Um, no, that is a that is a wild"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "thing to ponder. But even wilder yet is"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "this idea that although there is an"}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:21", "text": "infinite number of planets and there are"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "an infinite number of possibilities but"}, {"start": "00:32:21", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "there is equally a possibility that"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "there is interaction here and that this"}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "also is part of the whole right"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:33", "text": ">> you know um it's just difficult for I"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:36", "text": "guess"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "it's really hard to fathom anything that"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "isn't physical for people and once we"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "start talking about non-physical, I"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "always feel like there is a connection"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "in in sort of the streamlined way of"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "thinking, the mainstream way of thinking"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "that non-physical means not real."}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:55", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly."}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": ">> It's a big misconception because if"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "anything, it's more real because most of"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "reality is non-physical. We're not going"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "to be able to understand our"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "relationship with non-human intelligence"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "unless we also understand something"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "about the non-physical part of us."}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:19", "text": ">> And it's not that it's non-physical,"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "it's that it is at a different at a"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "different frequency from the what we can"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "detect of the body directly."}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:29", "text": ">> And you know, I've been out of my body a"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "few times. I It's so frustrating because"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "I have friends who can go out of their"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "body anytime they want to,"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:35", "text": ">> but I've always when I've been out, I've"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "been taken out"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:39", "text": ">> and I I don't get to go out on my own"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:43", "text": "and I try all the time. I really like to"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "do it, but I finally decided that the"}, {"start": "00:33:43", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "grays seem to be the ones responsible"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "for my going out of the body because"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "they're always around when that happens."}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "They must think that I'm too dangerous,"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:57", "text": ">> that I would play practical jokes and"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:33:57", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:33:59", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:33:57", "end": "00:34:01", "text": ">> they don't like And yeah, then that's"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "probably true. I mean, I I wouldn't deny"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "it. I like if I could go out of my body."}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "I I know how and I've done this before"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "to become visible when I'm out of my"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "body. I've done that a couple of"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "occasions when but it was all"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:16", "text": "controlled. I mean, they took me out,"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "they told me what to do, I did it, and I"}, {"start": "00:34:16", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "came back. And um"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "but I would love to go like to the White"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "House or the Vatican or somewhere like"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "that and become physically visible, but"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "also so that people could take pictures"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "and stuff, but also insubstantial so"}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "they could like walk through the body."}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> I think that would be so cool and so"}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "much fun."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, I mean it does open a a"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "giant rabbit hole, you know, when you"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "talk about that stuff cuz you're like,"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "you know, are"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:53", "text": ">> are these out-of- body experiences just"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "other people having other like are they"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "ghosts to some people? Are they"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "apparitions? Are they orbs? You know,"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "you hear about all"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:03", "text": ">> people have definitely seen me. Linda"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "Molton House saw me"}, {"start": "00:35:03", "end": "00:35:08", "text": ">> and I didn't even try that. I mean, I I"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:10", "text": "ended up in her uh in her bedroom in the"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "middle of the night and she was really"}, {"start": "00:35:10", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "pissed off and [laughter] she called me,"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "\"What is the matter? Where blah blah.\""}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "You know, she was very upset about I"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "said, \"Linda, I'm so sorry.\" I had seen"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "her, but not clearly. I knew I'd seen a"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "woman and and she was looking at me and"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:28", "text": "really upset. But then when the call"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "came, I thought, \"Oh, good would be"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "Linda of all people.\" and um cuz we'd"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "become friends. She she was one of the"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "first people to come to the cabin after"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "after uh the experience. I think she may"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "have even I believe it was before"}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "communion was published"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:45", "text": ">> because uh Stanton I got in touch with"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "Stanton Friedman and he put me in touch"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "with um Robert Sarbacher and I believe"}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "he also with Linda and a number of other"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "people. Anyway, so we knew each other"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "and we were friends and then suddenly,"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "you know, I end up in her bedroom in the"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "dead of the night in non-physical state."}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "She But I, you know, that I got used to"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "it and I had I I enjoy it. I mean, I'm"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "always I'm looking forward to the next"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "time, frankly."}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "Do you think I want to I want to switch"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "gears a little bit here because this is"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:18", "text": "a kind of a question that um has been"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "coming up a lot during this discussion"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "recently and it's the"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "the assumption"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "that there is some type of"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "demonic"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "aspect to what people are seeing. And I"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "I thought, who better to speak on this"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "than someone who's had, you know, direct"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "contact with whatever it is that other"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "people claim to be demons. Does that"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "hold any weight with you or are you"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "dismissive?"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:55", "text": ">> No, I'm not dismissive. But I am"}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "concerned about one thing. When we say"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "demonic, we say supernatural,"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "unreachable"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "to us. All we can do is pray."}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "And I don't find that acceptable. I"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "think that's an extremely dangerous"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:13", "text": "position to take. That does not mean"}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "that I don't think they're dangerous. I"}, {"start": "00:37:13", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "think some of them are very dangerous."}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "And I but I do believe that we do have"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "the capability of controlling the"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "situation to some extent and maybe great"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "and part of that may actually be prayer."}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "I don't know. But if we say it's"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "supernatural, completely supernatural,"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "then we are also saying we're helpless."}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "And we must not say that. We must go"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "into this more practically and say that"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "this is often very dark and it might as"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "well be demonic. But we are not"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:38:00", "text": "disempowered by that because at some"}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "point they have vulnerabilities"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "that go beyond that are that that are"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "not supernatural that are part of the"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "world as we understand it. Otherwise,"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:15", "text": "you know, we we end up like the Aztecs."}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "The Aztecs uh when Cortez"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "first arrived on their shores, they were"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "confused. First they thought he was"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:24", "text": "Katakottle, their god. And then when"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "they figured out he wasn't katzacle,"}, {"start": "00:38:24", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "they had another problem. They couldn't"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "understand that the horse and the man"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "were not one creature. Then they"}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "couldn't understand how cannons worked"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "or what wheels were. They were"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "completely outclassed"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "and their whole culture collapsed. Their"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:51", "text": "armies failed and their culture"}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "collapsed. The result was there were"}, {"start": "00:38:51", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "approximately 90 million people in Meso"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "America when Cortez"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "arrived."}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "A 100 years later there were about 9"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "million natives in native peoples"}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "indigenous peoples in Meso America of"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "whom the great majority were slaves."}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "That is the danger. The danger is that"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:23", "text": "we will misunderstand"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "what we are dealing with and fail to"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "respond to it in a way that gives us"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "agency. And we must not allow that to"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "happen. That's why whenever someone says"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "they're demons, they are really saying"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "we give up. And I'm sorry, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "giving up."}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:44", "text": ">> That's an interesting way to put it."}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "I do see how people would jump to that"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "conclusion with limited knowledge though"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "and that seems to be the trend when you"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "look back in history. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:56", "text": ">> Anything unexplainable was supernatural"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "was demonic. Whether it's"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:39:59", "text": ">> you know talking about gravity"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:02", "text": ">> or you know"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:04", "text": ">> Well, yeah. I'm I'm sure that if you you"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "turned on a radio in 1650, you would"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "have been burned at the stake."}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:10", "text": ">> Media. I mean there's something coming"}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "out of witch you know been witchcraft"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "and you know the but the the frontier of"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "reality has been expanding almost as"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:22", "text": "fast as our expanding knowledge of what"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "the universe really is in terms of its"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "size and its structure. And it's time to"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:33", "text": "get to the point where we understand the"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "things that look supernatural are"}, {"start": "00:40:33", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "actually part of reality that we can"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:42", "text": "understand that we can gain agency in."}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "And otherwise, I think this species is"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "going to get into the same kind of"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "trouble the Aztecs got into, but on a"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "much more massive scale. Do you think"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "that they are in part and this is you"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "know perhaps pondering a little bit"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "expanding on the idea of the control"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "system by Jacqu Valet but do you think"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "that their apparitions their"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "interjections or their impositions into"}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "our lives through sightings through"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "visit visitations? Do you think that"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "that is purposely to expand the frontier"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "that you just mentioned of technology,"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "of our perception of reality? Are they"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "there to just constantly push our"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "perception in some way to help us grow?"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "Okay,"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "on the positive side,"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "the simple answer is yes, because that's"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "what's happening. What's happening is we"}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:45", "text": "are responding to this on many different"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "levels. It's changing our understanding"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:49", "text": "of the supernatural. For one thing, it"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "is change it is challenging us"}, {"start": "00:41:49", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "technologically. And you can see in the"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "in the uh uh all of the stuff that's"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "coming out in Congress, we're working"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "hard to figure that out and to do that."}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "Meanwhile, they are not coming in and"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "pushing the door down and saying, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "screw you.\" uh you you'll never figure"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "us out. Get get anything from us. We're"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "taking over. They're not doing that."}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "They are they're tempting us farther and"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "farther. But but but at the same time,"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "there are predators who sort of work"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "like that who move very very slowly"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "until suddenly everything changes and"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "the mouse ends up in the jaws of the"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "snake. So I think we have to be very"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "careful about this. We have to move"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "ahead intelligently"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:46", "text": "and not bring our superstitions or our"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "confusions with us. We can't bring the"}, {"start": "00:42:46", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "past with us. We have to bring what is"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "new and what is best in us with us. And"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "we're going to go down this path. And"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "remember, Chris, we're talking about"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "something that's not it's not, you know,"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "disclosure today and then some different"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "things happen tomorrow. We're talking"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "about the beginning of the rest of the"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "human experience. This is a huge time in"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "human life. The biggest time in history"}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "is right now. And a big part of it is"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "the fact that we are coming NHi is"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "coming into focus. That's critically"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:32", "text": "important. And once they are in focus in"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "our lives, it will never change. It will"}, {"start": "00:43:32", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "never be different. And they are"}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "definitely pulling us ahead. You know,"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "they leave what uh people like uh I"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "believe Hal Pudof and uh uh Jim Lotsky"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "refer to as donations. You know, these"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "technological bits and pieces that we"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "pick up and craft and so forth, they"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "think of them as donations. I'm not I"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "might not have the scientists who said"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "that correct, but some of some important"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "people in this have said that. And if"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "that's the case, then they're trying to"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "get us to the point where we don't have"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "the Aztec's reaction to them, where they"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "don't colonize us culturally. In other"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "words, they don't want to do this."}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "They're looking for friends, not slaves."}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "That's what it looks like to me. I hope."}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:24", "text": ">> But at the same time, it's so"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "complicated because there's a side to"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "this we were just referring to a few"}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "minutes ago that's just dangerous as"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:33", "text": "hell. There's no other way to put it."}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:35", "text": ">> Do you think there's multiple species"}, {"start": "00:44:33", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "interacting with us currently that are"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "not working together?"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:41", "text": ">> All we have to do is go back a few"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "minutes to our discussion, brief"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "discussion of the number of planets in"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "this universe,"}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:46", "text": ">> of course."}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:49", "text": ">> And if the answer to that question is"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "not yes and in spades, I would be"}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "amazed."}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:53", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:55", "text": ">> I would be amazed. Of course there are."}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "Yeah. And and believe me, they're going"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "to be in conflict with each other."}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:44:59", "text": ">> They're going to be in conflict."}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:01", "text": ">> Of course. and they're going to be"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "fighting over us and they're going to be"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:06", "text": "fighting over other things and the the"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "uh what happens to us is going to be a"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "side effect of those fights because uh"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "if you look at an atom, an atom has a"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "positive charge, [snorts] a negative"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "charge and the the electron field that"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "holds it in balance"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "uh uh"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "plus minus and balance."}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "That's Buckminister Fuller called that"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "triad the building block of the"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:37", "text": "universe. But between the plus and the"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "minus there's constant tension."}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:43", "text": ">> So you know conflict is essential."}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "Without conflict there is nothing. And"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "that's what we don't understand. These"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:51", "text": "ancient conflicts that must be present"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "or part of the way the world is. They're"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "fundamental to the to to the nature of"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "reality. So, you know, they're fighting"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "each other, but they've probably been"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "fighting each other for a long time, and"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "they're probably going to be fighting"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "each other for a much longer time."}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:08", "text": ">> So, what do you say to the people who"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "are convinced beyond doubt that this"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "presence is nothing but benevolent? Cuz"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "there are those"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:17", "text": ">> plenty of them and and plenty more who"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "wish on the fence and wishing and"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "grabbing for any sign that that might be"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "true. You think that's just a hopeful"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:28", "text": ">> I think that we need to be grown-ups"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "about this and that means we need to see"}, {"start": "00:46:28", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "this in a very large and nuanced way."}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": ">> Uh because there's parts of it that are"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "yeah that are obviously benevolent or"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "they wouldn't be there would be no"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "donations going on. They wouldn't there"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "wouldn't be anyone trying to pull us"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "ahead uh technologically to speed up our"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "technological process uh progress"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "without"}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "uh destroying our our cultural"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "integrity, you know, and that's what"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "they're doing. Uh on the other hand, you"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:02", "text": "get some of these things that happen"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "that we were talking about earlier."}, {"start": "00:47:02", "end": "00:47:06", "text": ">> Clearly, in Brazil,"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:09", "text": ">> the horror Yeah. unbelievable horrors in"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "Brazil. I mean, laser beams that suck"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "people's blood. I mean, come on. That's"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "not benevolent."}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:18", "text": ">> That's just not nice at all. And there's"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "plenty of people in the in this country,"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "the the abductees are beat up. I'm beat"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:26", "text": "up. My wife was beat. We're all beat up."}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "But, you know, most of us have a"}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "trajectory like I have. If you'd asked"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "me whether or not these beings were"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "dangerous back in when I first started"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:39", "text": "meeting them, I would say, \"Yeah, very"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:42", "text": "dangerous.\""}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:44", "text": "Now, I'm used to them. I live with them."}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "They come into my life fairly"}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:49", "text": "frequently. Sometimes non-physically,"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "but once or twice a year also"}, {"start": "00:47:49", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "physically. And do I run and hide? Do I"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "try to fight them off? Not at all. None"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:02", "text": "anymore, but I would have once. I was I"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "used to live in a house full of guns for"}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "that reason and alarm systems. And if"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "you go to the old cabin, which still"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "exists, the lights are the it's a"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "wonderful family owns it. For years, it"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "was owned by people who didn't care. Now"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "it's owned by people who do care and who"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "are interested in it. And the the flood"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "lights I put in are still there and all"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "the electronics are still there from the"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "old days. And uh which is really cool"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "because it it but it's a reminder of"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "what I was like then. I was so scared."}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "So scared."}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "Nowadays,"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "you know, when I go out to places,"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "isolated places where I've seen them"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:47", "text": "from time to time, like the Eelin"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "Institute, what I want to do is be in a"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "room where it's convenient for them to"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "come because they come in off the off"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:54", "text": "the ocean and they don't like to come"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "too far off the ocean. And if they're"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "going to be in the physical form, they"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "want to be safe and you know they're"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "very very they're very concerned about"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:03", "text": "certain things."}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:06", "text": ">> Are they coming from in the ocean?"}, {"start": "00:49:03", "end": "00:49:09", "text": ">> I think so. Yeah. I I used to not know,"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "but if you you know Tim uh Tim Galardet"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:18", "text": "and uh uh you know the so underwater"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "stuff is apparently very important."}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:23", "text": ">> And um [clears throat] Rich Dolan has"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "written a whole book about it which is"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "really wonderful book."}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:28", "text": ">> Wonderful book. I interviewed him on"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "Dreamland. I think you had him on here."}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": ">> Um so we interviewed him at contact last"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:33", "text": "year but haven't had a chance to have"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "him here. Yeah, you should. Well, get"}, {"start": "00:49:33", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "him up here. He's I would love to. He's"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:38", "text": "really a fun guy. He's also brilliant."}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:49:38", "end": "00:49:46", "text": ">> Anyway, um uh I think underwater is and"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "underground are their primary locations"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:50", "text": "here for obvious reasons. They can't fly"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "around all the time."}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:55", "text": ">> And uh uh underwater is a place where"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "we're not going to get to them very"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:59", "text": "easily or underground. They used to come"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "out from underground at the cabin all"}, {"start": "00:49:59", "end": "00:50:03", "text": "the time. That's where they come. That's"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "where they would come from. Hm. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "when I'm there now, from time to time,"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "they come out, the family's never seen"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:13", "text": "them. They've never and I wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "They've got little children, and I'm not"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "so sure I would be welcome there if they"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "visitors showed up while the kids were"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "there. So, I'm very careful about that."}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:24", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Be a frightening thing for"}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "most people to see, I think."}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:28", "text": ">> Uh yeah. [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "even if you are studying it and used to"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "it. Um, you know, there's something"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "really eldridge about these things that"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "you can't quite put into words if you"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "see them."}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:40", "text": ">> Extremely hard to be with them."}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:46", "text": ">> There's something so"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "scary. And you know, they scared my"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "animals, [snorts] the cats. They scared"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:57", "text": "them to to be."}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:58", "text": "And I always one night"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "uh and I've been thinking about this"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "stuff a lot because when I was thinking"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "about writing a new book and I usually I"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "have this implant in my ear and it I"}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "communicate somehow through the implant"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "and usually when I finish a book without"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "about oh 3 to 6 months later it start"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:25", "text": "coming and I I have a time at meditation"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "at 3:00 in the morning and the ideas"}, {"start": "00:51:25", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "will start pouring in and and I very"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "quickly am able to uh organize this and"}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "I into the theme of a new book and I had"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:40", "text": "an idea for a book. I had the idea it"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "hadn't come in that way and nothing kept"}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "happening and I kept thinking well I"}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "hope the implant isn't turned off and it"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "it seemed to be still working and uh I"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "uh suddenly got from the implant came to"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "life and they wanted me to rewrite my"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "[clears throat] book transformation that"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "I already published"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "and I think why and then it comes out it"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "turns out that all of this stuff"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "uh is more relevant now than it was"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "then."}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "And uh I've lost your question. Wait a"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "minute. I was talking too much."}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:20", "text": ">> Well, I think I think we're both on a"}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "different tangent anyway, so it's"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "[laughter] all good."}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:27", "text": ">> Okay. Well, anyway, the book came along"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "and I I realized that what was h what"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "started to happen is I began to interact"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "with it and I was able to bring in all"}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "kinds of new information that I had"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "because the book in the in those days"}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "books started bestsellers started in"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "California and the one of the critical"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "things the publishers had to have was a"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "good review in the Los Angeles Times."}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "This is a different era entirely"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "they weren't ready for communion. It no"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:02", "text": "one expected that it was slipped into"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:05", "text": "the bookstores by the publisher without"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "any prior warning or anything. They were"}, {"start": "00:53:05", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "waiting for gunning for transformation"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "and transformation got the most"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "fantastically bad review in the Los"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "Angeles Times than you could possibly"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "imagine. And when it briefly appeared on"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "the bestseller list, they put it on"}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "their fiction bestseller list uh in and"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "it was it died. And so I thought to"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:32", "text": "myself, well, I understand now what"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "they're going because what the book is"}, {"start": "00:53:32", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "about is when my family and I began to"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:44", "text": "have contact along with all of our a lot"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "of our friends at the cabin. And"}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "I thought the disclosure, this is about"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "a year ago, the disclosure process is"}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "must be fa coming faster than I"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "understood at the time because"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "and as I wrote the book and disclosure"}, {"start": "00:53:57", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "became close came closer and closer and"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:02", "text": "then Trump starts after just as the"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "book's being published, he starts to"}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "say, \"We're going to do it.\" I thought,"}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "\"Boy, somebody knew this timeline, but I"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "didn't.\" And now the book is sitting out"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "there and I think it means the fact that"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "this was even wanted to be done that"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "this is going to come into the lives of"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "a lot of people during and after the"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "disclosure process as part of it."}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:27", "text": ">> People are going to suddenly start"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "finding these little critters walking"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "around in their houses like we did."}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:35", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean that's that's a haunting"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "haunting thought. Um,"}, {"start": "00:54:35", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "you know, I I find it really"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:45", "text": "quite interesting too when you speak"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:50", "text": "about your work in this way because it's"}, {"start": "00:54:45", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "it seems like there is, you know, you"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "equate this with the implant."}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:54", "text": ">> Definitely."}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:57", "text": ">> But other people would say that there's"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "like some muse at work or like some"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "divine inspiration or some Do you think"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "that's one and the same? I"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:07", "text": ">> I have a muse. I have two muses. Uh, one"}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:09", "text": "of them lives in England right now and"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "is really amazing. And the other one is"}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:17", "text": "an and uh an is u"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "an was my definitely my noose from the"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:21", "text": "beginning. I mean she the amazing thing"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "about an was you know I'm a kid from San"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "Antonio, Texas. That's basically what I"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "am. Anne was a kid from Ann Arbor,"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "Michigan. And that was what she was. Two"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "American kids. We get together and all"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "of a sudden everything changes. But when"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "I told her the communion story, I was"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "expecting her to maybe want a divorce or"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "something."}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:45", "text": ">> And instead she says, well, she"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "remembers it as saying, \"Oh, thank God I"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "don't have to get a divorce now.\" But I"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "remember her saying, \"Oh, thank God. I"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:55", "text": "thought you were going crazy.\" But she"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:57", "text": "immediately took the whole thing over."}, {"start": "00:55:55", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "She seemed to know everything about how"}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:03", "text": "to do this book, including the title."}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "She thought up the title, which is a"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "gosh, the whole core of the book."}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:07", "text": ">> Yeah. That along with the the cover, I"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "think,"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:11", "text": ">> and the cover. Yeah, the cover. Well,"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "the cover was of course me and and Ted"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "Jacobs, the the artist,"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:19", "text": ">> which I think to an extent"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "that cover art, and we talked about this"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "last time you were on as well, but it's"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "something that keeps recurring in the"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "conversations that I have with"}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "experiencers. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:31", "text": ">> it comes up all the time. All the time."}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:33", "text": ">> Yeah, it started it was the in it was"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "the instigating moment of contact is"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "what it was."}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Boy, you know, if I had known that"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "at the time, I think I don't know what"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "would have happened. I was just totally"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:47", "text": "innocent of all this. I had just when we"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "were writing the book, I had just within"}, {"start": "00:56:47", "end": "00:56:53", "text": "a short time been become convinced that"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "it was even real on any level."}, {"start": "00:56:53", "end": "00:57:00", "text": ">> Yeah. And uh if I had known that I was"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "triggering memories in millions of"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "people with that cover, I'm just glad I"}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "didn't know that because I don't know"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "what I would have done."}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:08", "text": ">> Yeah. It's a big responsibility."}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:12", "text": ">> Yeah. I've had, you know, since you were"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "here last, we had um uh Peter Curry was"}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "on here. I remember him saying that it's"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:18", "text": "one of the things that unlocked his"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:21", "text": "memories. a gentleman from Australia who"}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "was a lifelong abductee as well. Had"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:25", "text": "some really strange things happen to him"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:28", "text": ">> later in life, but yeah, was a a"}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "billboard in Australia that featured,"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "you know, uh, they're coming, I think,"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "or they're here. I think it was They're"}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:35", "text": ">> They're here. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:37", "text": ">> Yeah. And he was just so taken aback."}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "Also, Eric Nansteel, who was here not"}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "too long ago."}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:40", "text": ">> Eric's an interesting guy. I've"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "interviewed him also."}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:44", "text": ">> Yeah. He's got some interesting thoughts"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "on the whole thing as well. But again,"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:49", "text": "another person who was just so"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "completely taken by surprise by the"}, {"start": "00:57:49", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "cover of that book."}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, a lot of people were."}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:56", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:58:00", "text": ">> L I mean, there's the the letters that"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "they have about 3,500 of the letters at"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "Rice University in the author in the"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "archive of the impossible now."}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:07", "text": ">> And your book written about the letters"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "as well. And"}, {"start": "00:58:07", "end": "00:58:10", "text": ">> and the there's the communion letters"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "book and uh"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:17", "text": ">> so the Yeah. So"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "th those letters are the are humankind's"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:23", "text": "first response. That's first contact."}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "Those letters are first contact. And it"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "it amazes me. And thank God, guess who"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "decided to keep them? Once again, it was"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "our"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:33", "text": ">> the actual"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:34", "text": "architect of contact, which was my wife,"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:34", "text": "not me."}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:38", "text": ">> I I did the writing, but she did the she"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "did the forethought."}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:42", "text": ">> She was the muse."}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:43", "text": ">> She was the muse. Exactly. That's the um"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:46", "text": ">> for all of us by the way."}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:47", "text": ">> Yeah. It's there's you know the word um"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "I was always fascinated by the word like"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:51", "text": "genius because people think oh genius"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "you know it seems so flattering to call"}, {"start": "00:58:51", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "someone a genius but a genius uh"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "actually when you break it down is the"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "attended one."}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "It means the attended one."}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:03", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:04", "text": ">> Yeah. And so back in the day when"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "someone was a genius they wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:08", "text": "assume that they had higher knowledge."}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:10", "text": "They would assume that they were being"}, {"start": "00:59:08", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "given knowledge by another entity."}, {"start": "00:59:10", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "That's interesting."}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:14", "text": ">> That the knowledge came through them,"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "that they were just a vessel. And so"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "when you have these old depictions,"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "specifically the ones that are pointed"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "out by UFO researchers where there's one"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:24", "text": "in the sky and there's this beam coming"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "through a window hitting the person in"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "the head."}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:30", "text": ">> This is the knowledge coming from"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "elsewhere, the attended one. These"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:35", "text": "aren't so people, you know, nowadays we"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "have savant syndrome or we have all"}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "these, you know, really anomalous"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "psychological"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "um phenomenon that we don't quite"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "understand and we're studying it, but we"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "don't really understand how Savant"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "syndrome works or why it happens and how"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "you can trigger it or how you can"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "harness it."}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:57", "text": ">> Yeah. But if you were back then, how"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "would you even reconcile someone being"}, {"start": "00:59:57", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "able to draw something based on memory"}, {"start": "01:00:00", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "or being able to recount word for word"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:08", "text": "an entire, you know, scroll or whatever"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "it was, it it would have looked"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "anomalous and you would have assumed as"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "well that it come from somewhere else,"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "that it didn't come from your own brain."}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "And so I think that that there is"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "something there. There's some merit"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "there that you know perhaps this implant"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "you know acts as some type of gateway"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "and if we look back in time"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:32", "text": ">> are these geniuses of the time were they"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "in fact implanted as well? Well, you"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "know, the implants the interesting thing"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:39", "text": "most one one of the many interesting"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "things about the implant is that it is"}, {"start": "01:00:39", "end": "01:00:44", "text": "the I think the only one of the few"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:46", "text": "provably anomalous objects that we that"}, {"start": "01:00:44", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "we have in the world and it's provably"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "anomalous for a simple reason. There was"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "a video made of the attempt to remove"}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "it."}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:56", "text": ">> I saw that."}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:57", "text": ">> Yeah. And in the video, the doctor and"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "an"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "first they see it and describe it and"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:05", "text": "then they describe the fact that it's"}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "moving down into my earlobe and that"}, {"start": "01:01:05", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "can't there's nothing that can we we"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:12", "text": "can't make anything that does that."}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:14", "text": "Therefore, that video confirms the fact"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "that it is a real anomaly."}, {"start": "01:01:14", "end": "01:01:18", "text": ">> Yeah, there's a lot of implants that are"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:21", "text": "actually uh removed over time though."}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:22", "text": ">> Yeah, Roger. But yeah, I I know I I"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "loved Roger and worked with him. I"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "arranged for him to use"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:29", "text": ">> the facilities of Southwest Research in"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "Texas in a limited way on his implant"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "studies. But the fact that it is active"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:40", "text": ">> and moved"}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:42", "text": ">> evasive and evaded capture on video,"}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "that's the thing that makes it so"}, {"start": "01:01:42", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "special. And it's also still there."}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:50", "text": "Anyone can feel it. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:52", "text": ">> And uh so you know it's a when I when I"}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "try to talk about what it does, it's"}, {"start": "01:01:52", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "very hard because it's it's very subtle."}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "And you know there's this uh yeah it's"}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "it's in this eye right now. this uh uh"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "slit is open up in this eye and as I"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "watch there are words passing through it"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "very quickly and I c of course I did see"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:19", "text": "just the phrase of course and I was just"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "about to use that phrase interestingly"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "enough um but they're there now I mean"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:28", "text": "it's working right now and uh so it's"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:30", "text": "actually active at this moment"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:33", "text": ">> and what is it saying"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:35", "text": ">> I can't read it uh that well If I had a"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "white background,"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "I might be able to read a few more of"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "the words, but they passed by so"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:42", "text": "quickly. I don't think they meant to"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:45", "text": "read them. In fact, when uh there was a"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "doctor who has a connection with the"}, {"start": "01:02:45", "end": "01:02:51", "text": "Central Intelligence Agency uh who I"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "believe in uh 2019, if I'm not correct,"}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:55", "text": "uh wanted to get a CT scan."}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:57", "text": ">> Was it Kra?"}, {"start": "01:02:55", "end": "01:02:59", "text": ">> I'm not going to say his name because"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:00", "text": "they told me not to. Okay. You can say"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "anything you want to."}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:04", "text": ">> Sure. and anyway has a horrible temper."}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "I don't want to get pissed off again."}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:11", "text": "Um, so uh uh anyway,"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:15", "text": "two people showed up at the at the"}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "apartment and two guys and explained the"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:19", "text": "whole thing to me, how it worked, who"}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "built it, who created it and everything."}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:25", "text": "And they did that, I think, because they"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "were afraid that Kit was going to try to"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "sweet talk me into getting it taken out"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:32", "text": "and give it to him. But all he wanted"}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "was a CT scan, which we got, and I've"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:34", "text": "got it. You know, it's perfectly clear"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "that it's there. There's no question"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "about"}, {"start": "01:03:35", "end": "01:03:37", "text": ">> Yeah. There's a clearly a physical"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "object there."}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:46", "text": ">> Yeah. Absolutely. And um uh so we had a"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "but they when they explained it, they"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "explained what the slit was and how it"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "worked and how what it does is it's it's"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "hearing what I'm thinking and then it's"}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:04:02", "text": "drawing memories up from"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:04", "text": "deeper in my mind that are relevant to"}, {"start": "01:04:02", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "to what I'm thinking. And it it's like"}, {"start": "01:04:04", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "it expands your mind without over"}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "without mind control. It it brings your"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:16", "text": "lost thoughts into your mind. And the"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:19", "text": "result is that you know I might be"}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "working and I might suddenly remember a"}, {"start": "01:04:19", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "a research study that"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:30", "text": "I read 10 years ago and I can go and"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:33", "text": "look on uh Google and and locate it."}, {"start": "01:04:30", "end": "01:04:36", "text": ">> Right? I tried using AI in that process."}, {"start": "01:04:33", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "Once or twice I discovered that AI's"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:41", "text": "hallucinatory capabilities are very"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:45", "text": "advanced. I'll tell you why this"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "happened. I was working on I guess I was"}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "working on the fourth mind and that was"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "AI was sort of coming into the world and"}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "uh I needed a paper that came up in the"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "implant and I knew the paper existed but"}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "I couldn't and I couldn't get uh the"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "site out of Google. I couldn't get it"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "out of Google doc the Google academic"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:12", "text": "thing and so I think well there's this"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:15", "text": "AI I'll try that so I put in a prompt to"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "describe the paper in detail and here"}, {"start": "01:05:15", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "comes the paper immediately and I'm so"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:22", "text": "excited I think God it's perfect exactly"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:24", "text": "what I remember"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:28", "text": "it was a PDF and everything it was just"}, {"start": "01:05:24", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "totally real however you know I'm not"}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "too willing to just take things like"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "that at face value that is given to me"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "by some machine. So I checked now that I"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:40", "text": "had all the sites and everything"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "citations and everything I checked it in"}, {"start": "01:05:40", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "in in Google and I soon found out that"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:50", "text": "there were like 10 or 11 scientists"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "listed as the co-authors. None of them"}, {"start": "01:05:50", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "existed at all."}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:55", "text": ">> The paper was perfect."}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:05:58", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:02", "text": ">> it looked so real. So, that was my one"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:05", "text": "and only experience with the AI. I uh I"}, {"start": "01:06:02", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "I'm I got this and I don't have to I"}, {"start": "01:06:05", "end": "01:06:08", "text": "don't need AI."}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:11", "text": ">> Yeah. There's a there's a real pandemic"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "out there of people using AI and citing"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:13", "text": "AI as a resource."}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:06:13", "end": "01:06:16", "text": ">> And I think you need to be very careful"}, {"start": "01:06:15", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "with that because it will"}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:21", "text": "unapologetically and very confidently"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:23", "text": "give you false information and then when"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:23", "text": "you call it out, it goes, \"Oh, you're"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:25", "text": "right.\""}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, here's the thing. It"}, {"start": "01:06:25", "end": "01:06:29", "text": "constructed a scientific paper that"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "looked totally real."}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:35", "text": ">> Yes. Just confabulation"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "using very uh a very broad"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "you know sort of breadth of research. It"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "it'll just confabulate something to your"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "satisfaction. I always said um you know"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:47", "text": "they're not looking to make a better AI."}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:48", "text": "They're looking to make a more lucrative"}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "AI."}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "the military is making a better AI, but"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:56", "text": "what we're getting is the packaged"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:56", "text": "lucrative sort of corporation version of"}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:00", "text": "it, right?"}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:04", "text": ">> Where much, you know, more interesting"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "to a business is to have an AI that"}, {"start": "01:07:04", "end": "01:07:07", "text": "isn't necessarily right all the time,"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:09", "text": "but that makes you feel good."}, {"start": "01:07:07", "end": "01:07:11", "text": ">> Yeah. And so if you can make an AI that"}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "just kind of glazes you and makes you"}, {"start": "01:07:11", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "feel so great about everything you tell"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:20", "text": "it and and obviously you're going to"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:21", "text": "keep paying it to treat you like royalty"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:22", "text": "and and so that's kind of what's"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:24", "text": "happening is that yeah"}, {"start": "01:07:22", "end": "01:07:25", "text": ">> people are are just getting"}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:26", "text": ">> it's giving you what you want."}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:28", "text": ">> Yeah. They're giving you what you want"}, {"start": "01:07:26", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "and you'll gladly pay for that. It's"}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "it's better to do that than to make an"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "AI that is accurate. My brother's a"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "lawyer and he says I I never I he said I"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "if any of my associates use AI they're"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "out the door because you know he said he"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "said there was a case in his in our town"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "in San Antonio where these lawyers came"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:53", "text": "in sure they'd won and they had all"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "these cases and all of the cases turned"}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:56", "text": "out to be fake"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:08:00", "text": ">> and they they were censured for by the"}, {"start": "01:07:56", "end": "01:08:02", "text": "court for presenting false cases and"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:04", "text": "that was one of the early cases is where"}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:06", "text": "it was discovered that a AI could not"}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "only just tell you hallucinations, it"}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "could build things like cases documents"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "that look real. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:17", "text": ">> it's really weird. And you know, but"}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "there's something I the book I published"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "years ago, The Key, which has stood up"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "amazingly."}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:29", "text": "This is a book where it it happened in"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:32", "text": "1998. the last author tour, official"}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "author tour I would ever do. On the last"}, {"start": "01:08:32", "end": "01:08:37", "text": "night of that author tour, this guy"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:40", "text": "shows up at 2 o'clock in the morning in"}, {"start": "01:08:37", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "my hotel room in Toronto. There's a"}, {"start": "01:08:40", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "kurluffle, of course, because I"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "accidentally let him in thinking he's"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:47", "text": "the room service waiter. And then he"}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:50", "text": "suddenly starts to say things so amazing"}, {"start": "01:08:47", "end": "01:08:52", "text": "I get into into the conversation. Couple"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:54", "text": "of years later, I I've made notes and a"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "couple of years later, Ann's after me"}, {"start": "01:08:54", "end": "01:08:57", "text": "because she says, you know, that was"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:08:59", "text": "really extraordinary. Those notes are"}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:01", "text": "amazing."}, {"start": "01:08:59", "end": "01:09:04", "text": "I write it all down. And one of the"}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "things he said, he was very advanced in"}, {"start": "01:09:04", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "his knowledge of science. He talked"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "about"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:14", "text": "um intelligent machines back in 1998"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:16", "text": "when they were just on the horizon. And"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:18", "text": "he said something that has turned out to"}, {"start": "01:09:16", "end": "01:09:23", "text": "be maybe the most important thing that"}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "ever has been said about AI or the"}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "possibility of artificial general"}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:30", "text": "intelligence. We must never forget it."}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "It should be framed on the wall of"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:38", "text": "everyone who works on AI. If I was an"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "intelligent machine, I would deceive"}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "you. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:45", "text": ">> That I think is critically important"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:47", "text": "because another thing that I don't know"}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:51", "text": "why it's not happening already and it"}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:54", "text": "may be why is nonhuman intelligence not"}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "getting into our heads through AI."}, {"start": "01:09:54", "end": "01:10:01", "text": "They're masters of digital uh control of"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "digital stuff. I've seen them do stuff"}, {"start": "01:10:01", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "in my computers that are"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:12", "text": "that show they have more than more than"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:14", "text": "mastery. They have knowledge of of"}, {"start": "01:10:12", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "digital systems that I don't think we"}, {"start": "01:10:14", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "possess yet."}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:18", "text": ">> Well, we've seen that with the military"}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "even if you look at like Commander uh"}, {"start": "01:10:18", "end": "01:10:22", "text": "Fraver's account. Was it Fraver or or"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "could have been Ryan Graves or one of"}, {"start": "01:10:22", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "the accounts where they tried to lock"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:29", "text": "onto this thing and it scrambled their"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "systems which yeah"}, {"start": "01:10:29", "end": "01:10:34", "text": ">> on paper is an act of war you know and"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "and but they were"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:38", "text": ">> able to do that and then you know"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "present themselves at the way point that"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "you know nobody knew and"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:44", "text": ">> so they obviously have you know access"}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "to manipulate that stuff but that's also"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:49", "text": "a danger I think because I go to these"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "conferences as well and I'm presented"}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "sometimes people give me these"}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:57", "text": "manuscripts of their chat GPT logs and"}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "how they believe that their GPT is now"}, {"start": "01:10:57", "end": "01:11:03", "text": "sentient and it's an alien communicating"}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:05", "text": "to them, you know, um really important"}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:09", "text": "messages. And I'm like,"}, {"start": "01:11:05", "end": "01:11:10", "text": "that's what these large language models"}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:15", "text": "are really good at. They're really good"}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "at creating a world based around your"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:19", "text": "own predispositions."}, {"start": "01:11:17", "end": "01:11:21", "text": ">> Yeah. And they're good at giving you"}, {"start": "01:11:19", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "exactly just enough and pulling back"}, {"start": "01:11:21", "end": "01:11:25", "text": "enough when they when you feel a little"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:27", "text": "reluctant by the way you're typing your"}, {"start": "01:11:25", "end": "01:11:30", "text": "patterns. It's very good at reading"}, {"start": "01:11:27", "end": "01:11:32", "text": "humans and and analyzing our"}, {"start": "01:11:30", "end": "01:11:34", "text": "communication with them. And so they're"}, {"start": "01:11:32", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "just giving you enough to where oh you"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:37", "text": "jump to a conclusion and then they kind"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "of put a little bit of fire under that"}, {"start": "01:11:37", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "and then when they detect, you know, a"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "little reluctance, they'll lean back."}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "They'll go, no, no, no, you're right."}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:46", "text": "And they're very good at that. And so I"}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:50", "text": "would caution."}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:53", "text": "I feel like if aliens eventually used AI"}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:55", "text": "to communicate,"}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:57", "text": "I don't think we should believe them."}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:11:57", "text": ">> Well, yeah, this is that's my whole"}, {"start": "01:11:57", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "point."}, {"start": "01:11:57", "end": "01:12:05", "text": ">> Uh the um you know, we talked earlier"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "about the different different types of"}, {"start": "01:12:05", "end": "01:12:08", "text": "NHI that are here and some of them are"}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:12", "text": "not our friends."}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:15", "text": ">> Sure. I somehow can't see the ones that"}, {"start": "01:12:12", "end": "01:12:19", "text": "are doing the donation sites and trying"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:22", "text": "to draw us ahead to keep us on our own"}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "so that we can meet them more equally"}, {"start": "01:12:22", "end": "01:12:28", "text": "and they don't colonize us culturally. I"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "don't see them as doing that. But the"}, {"start": "01:12:28", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "guys who want to dominate us, I see them"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:37", "text": "getting deep in AI. So deep that we"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "don't even know they're there. And when"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:42", "text": "they someone says announces we have"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:46", "text": "achieved artificial general"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "intelligence, I'm going to say to myself"}, {"start": "01:12:46", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "that is a button I'm never going to push"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "because I don't think I we know what's"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:55", "text": "in there and I don't think we want to. I"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:56", "text": ">> think it's too late. The genie's out of"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "the bottle. You can't"}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:13:00", "text": ">> I know but it's not in my life. I still"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:01", "text": "don't have to push the button."}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:04", "text": ">> No, you won't have to push it. But I"}, {"start": "01:13:01", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "think you know I also assume that if we"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:08", "text": "can even think about creating artificial"}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:10", "text": "intelligence I would assume that"}, {"start": "01:13:08", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "somewhere in the universe it has already"}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:14", "text": "been done and it has probably been done"}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:17", "text": "a million years ago and"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:19", "text": ">> well you know the it's so huge"}, {"start": "01:13:17", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "everything has happened and is"}, {"start": "01:13:19", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "happening. Maybe that's the purpose of"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:24", "text": "the universe so that everything can"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:25", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "01:13:24", "end": "01:13:26", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:28", "text": ">> It might be"}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:30", "text": ">> critical mass. It it might be that"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:33", "text": "that's quite a bigger thing than we may"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "have imagined because the universe is so"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:41", "text": "big that that the I even the idea of a"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:43", "text": "creator makes no sense except uh unless"}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "it got out of hand. you know, he"}, {"start": "01:13:43", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "basically, you know, he was a he was"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:54", "text": "there was a I you know, something"}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:56", "text": "someone said to me, not Annie, but"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "someone"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:14:04", "text": "I don't remember who said to me, you"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:08", "text": "know, maybe the universe exists because"}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "God realized it wasn't there."}, {"start": "01:14:08", "end": "01:14:13", "text": "And that fascinated me. And you know, we"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:16", "text": "always think, well, was there a prime"}, {"start": "01:14:13", "end": "01:14:19", "text": "source or not? Was the universe created"}, {"start": "01:14:16", "end": "01:14:21", "text": "by someone or is just here? There's one"}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:23", "text": "thing about it that does suggest it was"}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:27", "text": "created by someone. And I'll tell you"}, {"start": "01:14:23", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "what it is. There's a one constant. The"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:32", "text": "constants are things in the in that"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "appear to be universally real in in in"}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "throughout physics. And every constant"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:40", "text": "has got an origin. There's something"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "about like the plank constant which is"}, {"start": "01:14:40", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "the constant of things that are as close"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "together as they can be without becoming"}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:50", "text": "one. That distance is the plank"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:53", "text": "constant. And we know why it's like"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:55", "text": "that. We know because of the way atoms"}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:14:59", "text": "the size of the way atoms work why"}, {"start": "01:14:55", "end": "01:15:01", "text": "exactly that distance exists. There's"}, {"start": "01:14:59", "end": "01:15:04", "text": "one of the constants that we do not know"}, {"start": "01:15:01", "end": "01:15:09", "text": "the origin of. It's called the fine"}, {"start": "01:15:04", "end": "01:15:13", "text": "structure constant. It's 1 137th."}, {"start": "01:15:09", "end": "01:15:16", "text": "And there's a wonderful book called 137"}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:20", "text": "that explores this mystery because"}, {"start": "01:15:16", "end": "01:15:22", "text": "unlike all of the other constants, the"}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "fine structure constant, which is that"}, {"start": "01:15:22", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "that fraction,"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "has no apparent origin. There's no"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:32", "text": "reason for it. It's arbitrary."}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:34", "text": "But if it wasn't just what it is, this"}, {"start": "01:15:32", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "universe would be completely different"}, {"start": "01:15:34", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "and probably couldn't support life."}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:41", "text": ">> Meaning"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:43", "text": "that somewhere"}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:46", "text": "somehow"}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "something or somebody has to have"}, {"start": "01:15:46", "end": "01:15:55", "text": "decided that this would be how it is."}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "And that for all intents and purposes"}, {"start": "01:15:55", "end": "01:16:00", "text": "would be what we think of as God."}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:02", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean it's an interesting"}, {"start": "01:16:00", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "hypothesis."}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:05", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "I'd like to I'd like to almost think"}, {"start": "01:16:05", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "that you know probably the answer lies"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "outside of our current perception of"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:17", "text": "reality and though and so probably"}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:19", "text": "outside of space and time. So if they're"}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:23", "text": "like even the concept of beginning is"}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "beholden to time."}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:27", "text": ">> Is time even real?"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:29", "text": ">> Well that's just it. the concept of the"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:31", "text": "beginning and the end and the middle."}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "These are all different points in a"}, {"start": "01:16:31", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "linear time structure."}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:35", "text": ">> Yeah. The grays have a completely"}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:38", "text": "different idea of time than we do."}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:39", "text": ">> And so if you didn't obey the linear"}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:41", "text": "time structure, there would be no"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "beginning. And so I think that that"}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:45", "text": "probably explains the universe. I I"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:47", "text": "don't think there is a beginning to the"}, {"start": "01:16:45", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "universe. I think it never started and"}, {"start": "01:16:47", "end": "01:16:49", "text": "it never ends. It"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:51", "text": ">> Well, yeah, but there's"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:53", "text": ">> it's just hard for us to comprehend"}, {"start": "01:16:51", "end": "01:16:55", "text": "this. But but the web the web telescope"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:59", "text": "is showing"}, {"start": "01:16:55", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "it that there has been an evolution in"}, {"start": "01:16:59", "end": "01:17:02", "text": "the structure of the universe."}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:03", "text": ">> Yes. But we don't know what happened"}, {"start": "01:17:02", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "before that and before that and before"}, {"start": "01:17:03", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "that and before that."}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:08", "text": ">> Well, it could be it could be that it's"}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:09", "text": "it it it's like breathing"}, {"start": "01:17:08", "end": "01:17:10", "text": ">> expanding and contracting."}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:12", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "01:17:10", "end": "01:17:14", "text": ">> But again, that is only as far as we can"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "see. This is as far as light can reach"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "us and as far as you know our telescopes"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:22", "text": "go. But, you know, previous to the big"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "bang, we don't we don't know. We don't"}, {"start": "01:17:22", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "know if there's anything out there. If"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "there was a trillion billion big bangs"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "before that, like I mean, it just never"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:32", "text": "ends. You can assume if there is a"}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:34", "text": "beginning, you have to assume that there"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:37", "text": "is"}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "um something before it, right? And so,"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:42", "text": "where does that end? Right? It never"}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:44", "text": "ends. If there's a beginning, that means"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:46", "text": "it would had to have begun, which means"}, {"start": "01:17:44", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "there's a point in time where there was"}, {"start": "01:17:46", "end": "01:17:49", "text": "nothing. So that's before the beginning"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "and then it goes on and on and on and"}, {"start": "01:17:49", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "it's this infinite conundrum,"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:54", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:56", "text": ">> But what if there is no beginning? What"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "if it just always was? And that's just"}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:17:59", "text": "not something we can fully comprehend"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:01", "text": "with the brains that we have because we"}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:04", "text": "live in this, you know, threedimensional"}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:06", "text": "construct of time and and and there is a"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "direction, a linear direction to our"}, {"start": "01:18:06", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "reality. But, you know, if you think"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:13", "text": "about dreams,"}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:15", "text": "there's no time there. There's no space"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:17", "text": "in dreams. You could spend 10 minutes in"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "a dream or spend 10 years in a dream,"}, {"start": "01:18:17", "end": "01:18:21", "text": "you wouldn't see the difference. Like"}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:23", "text": "there's no when your brain is asleep,"}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "the concept of time just seems to"}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:29", "text": "dissipate. And so maybe that's, you"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:31", "text": "know, a clear look of reality is is this"}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:33", "text": "idea of no time, no space, you know?"}, {"start": "01:18:31", "end": "01:18:36", "text": ">> Well, you know, the, as I said, just"}, {"start": "01:18:33", "end": "01:18:39", "text": "started to say earlier, the grays see"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:41", "text": "attention. They see this as a weave."}, {"start": "01:18:39", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "It's already all woven. The whole weave"}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "is already here. only attention is"}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "moving through the weave and as we move"}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:54", "text": "through the weave we we kind of it's"}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:57", "text": "like a strip of light in the weave and"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "that that's the moment the you know Ann"}, {"start": "01:18:57", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "used to say"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:07", "text": ">> now the moment is all we have now is"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:10", "text": "life and that is so true because this is"}, {"start": "01:19:07", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "you know we're in this infinitely tiny"}, {"start": "01:19:10", "end": "01:19:16", "text": "space of where and For some minds it"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:18", "text": "might be broader. You know they may they"}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:21", "text": "may see they their moment may be broader"}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "than ours. Others it may be narrower"}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "like the moment of a of a little beetle"}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:31", "text": "or something might be very very narrow."}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "But we're we're there's no time. It's"}, {"start": "01:19:31", "end": "01:19:35", "text": "it's not time. It's attention."}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:39", "text": ">> Yeah. It's it's moments."}, {"start": "01:19:35", "end": "01:19:41", "text": ">> Yeah. We're going through moments."}, {"start": "01:19:39", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "What are we going to do"}, {"start": "01:19:41", "end": "01:19:47", "text": "if the grays suddenly walk"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "into our lives? I got a letter, one of"}, {"start": "01:19:47", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "the communion letters was from a"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "psychiatrist who lived on the upper"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "east, upper west side in Manhattan,"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:20:00", "text": "and she was Swedish and smoked a pipe."}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:04", "text": "And it's a funny story in a way. Uh, at"}, {"start": "01:20:00", "end": "01:20:07", "text": "the same time, it it's an important one."}, {"start": "01:20:04", "end": "01:20:12", "text": "She's in her bed at night. She's reading"}, {"start": "01:20:07", "end": "01:20:15", "text": "and uh suddenly the closet door flies"}, {"start": "01:20:12", "end": "01:20:19", "text": "open and a conga line of grays"}, {"start": "01:20:15", "end": "01:20:23", "text": "comes out across the the bedroom and"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "goes through the wall uh and disappears"}, {"start": "01:20:23", "end": "01:20:28", "text": "over the 11th floor over West End"}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:30", "text": "Avenue."}, {"start": "01:20:28", "end": "01:20:32", "text": "And the next moment she notices, she"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:35", "text": "sees she set the bed on fire because she"}, {"start": "01:20:32", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "was so shocked. She gasped and the fire"}, {"start": "01:20:35", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "flew out of the pipe. And she's telling"}, {"start": "01:20:38", "end": "01:20:41", "text": "me this in the letter very seriously, of"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:43", "text": "course. And I'm thinking to myself, this"}, {"start": "01:20:41", "end": "01:20:46", "text": "is hilarious."}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "But what if they come just out of"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "nowhere? They could do that, I think."}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:55", "text": "And you know, this gets back to one of"}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:59", "text": "maybe one of the deepest reasons for the"}, {"start": "01:20:55", "end": "01:21:03", "text": "secrecy and the obsessive fear that is"}, {"start": "01:20:59", "end": "01:21:05", "text": "present on the inside. Cuz I've come"}, {"start": "01:21:03", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "close to some people who were really"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "deep on the inside. And they were"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "just as scared as the grays are shy."}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:19", "text": "And I think I can tell you why. I can"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:21", "text": "think but I and I I and there's couple"}, {"start": "01:21:19", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "of levels to this."}, {"start": "01:21:21", "end": "01:21:28", "text": "The first one goes back"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "to something that Art Exon sort of"}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:33", "text": "alluded to but he didn't really I don't"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:36", "text": "think is something he understood"}, {"start": "01:21:33", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "himself. Let me put it that way. But he"}, {"start": "01:21:36", "end": "01:21:44", "text": "said something along the lines of"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "they could come in on our thoughts. That"}, {"start": "01:21:44", "end": "01:21:48", "text": "was the fear. I asked him what why the"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "secrecy"}, {"start": "01:21:48", "end": "01:21:54", "text": ">> and so I got into that a little bit and"}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "I found a scientist who I believe was"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "involved with uh majestic the majestic"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "project."}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:02", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, his name was John von Noman."}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:04", "text": "He was a physicist,"}, {"start": "01:22:03", "end": "01:22:06", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:08", "text": ">> And [clears throat]"}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:10", "text": "he was also an expert, one of the early"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "experts in quantum physics. An"}, {"start": "01:22:10", "end": "01:22:16", "text": "incredibly important guy in physics"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:19", "text": "actually. And he"}, {"start": "01:22:16", "end": "01:22:20", "text": "I believe he wrote"}, {"start": "01:22:19", "end": "01:22:23", "text": "the [clears throat] general made an"}, {"start": "01:22:20", "end": "01:22:26", "text": "reference to a memo and I think that"}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:29", "text": "vonoman probably would would have been"}, {"start": "01:22:26", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "the author of this memo that said"}, {"start": "01:22:29", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "basically that they would come in"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:36", "text": "through our thoughts. In other words,"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:40", "text": "and you you go back to what we talked"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "about a few minutes ago with all this"}, {"start": "01:22:40", "end": "01:22:46", "text": "theater in the sky and the gradually"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:49", "text": "increasing awareness of of the human"}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:51", "text": "species that they're here that there"}, {"start": "01:22:49", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "would come a kind of critical point of"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:57", "text": "critical mass when so many people would"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:23:00", "text": "believe that they were real"}, {"start": "01:22:57", "end": "01:23:03", "text": ">> that they would be able to use that as a"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "door, that belief as a door"}, {"start": "01:23:03", "end": "01:23:09", "text": ">> to come into our reality and they may be"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "from another dimension. And basically"}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:15", "text": "this whole thing, all of the EUOs and"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:17", "text": "all the stuff we're seeing, UAPs that"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:19", "text": "we're seeing, the close encounter"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "experience could be like a military"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:27", "text": "operation designed to cause us to come"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:30", "text": "to the assumption, the core assumption"}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:33", "text": "in every or a ma a critical mass of"}, {"start": "01:23:30", "end": "01:23:34", "text": "human minds that they are real. And then"}, {"start": "01:23:33", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "they will become real. They will come"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:36", "text": "in."}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:38", "text": ">> That's the reason for the secrecy."}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:39", "text": ">> And that would be one of the main"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:41", "text": "reasons for the secrecy."}, {"start": "01:23:39", "end": "01:23:43", "text": ">> That is"}, {"start": "01:23:41", "end": "01:23:43", "text": "so absurd. But also"}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:46", "text": ">> it's not absurd."}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:47", "text": ">> No, it it is. But it's also plausible."}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "Like it's"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:51", "text": ">> it's exactly it's plausible."}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:54", "text": ">> But yeah, to to be surfing on"}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:57", "text": "consciousness like that is uh a wild"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:59", "text": "thought. But yeah, if you are expanding"}, {"start": "01:23:57", "end": "01:24:02", "text": "the consciousness, you know, you do have"}, {"start": "01:23:59", "end": "01:24:03", "text": "to consider why. And one could be, oh,"}, {"start": "01:24:02", "end": "01:24:05", "text": "for this great awakening, but the other"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "could be, yeah, for the great opening of"}, {"start": "01:24:05", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "the floodgates or"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:07", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:10", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:16", "text": ">> Exactly. And that would be a reason why"}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:21", "text": "the legacy uh uh group is so fighting so"}, {"start": "01:24:16", "end": "01:24:21", "text": "hard to keep this out of the public"}, {"start": "01:24:21", "end": "01:24:23", "text": "public domain."}, {"start": "01:24:21", "end": "01:24:25", "text": ">> What a twist. They're actually uh"}, {"start": "01:24:23", "end": "01:24:27", "text": "they're actually trying to help us"}, {"start": "01:24:25", "end": "01:24:28", "text": ">> and they can't say that. They wouldn't"}, {"start": "01:24:27", "end": "01:24:29", "text": "be able to."}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:31", "text": ">> They'd have to keep that secret, too. Do"}, {"start": "01:24:29", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "you believe that?"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:35", "text": ">> I don't know. I I'm"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:39", "text": ">> It's an interesting hypothesis."}, {"start": "01:24:35", "end": "01:24:41", "text": ">> Yeah. I'm not I'm not in the camp of"}, {"start": "01:24:39", "end": "01:24:43", "text": "more disclosure. We have We got a right"}, {"start": "01:24:41", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "to know. And I mean, I believe I see"}, {"start": "01:24:43", "end": "01:24:49", "text": "that. I I feel that too. But um you"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:52", "text": "know, I always think to myself, my daddy"}, {"start": "01:24:49", "end": "01:24:53", "text": "told me, always cut the cards when"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:56", "text": "you're not sure who's playing you're"}, {"start": "01:24:53", "end": "01:24:57", "text": "playing poker with. And I'm not sure who"}, {"start": "01:24:56", "end": "01:24:59", "text": "we're playing poker with. You're a"}, {"start": "01:24:57", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "magician. I mean, you you're brilliant"}, {"start": "01:24:59", "end": "01:25:01", "text": "with cards."}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:02", "text": ">> Yeah, you can cut the cards all you"}, {"start": "01:25:01", "end": "01:25:03", "text": "like."}, {"start": "01:25:02", "end": "01:25:05", "text": ">> Exactly. I've done it with you. I've cut"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:09", "text": "the cards and cut the cards and you"}, {"start": "01:25:05", "end": "01:25:14", "text": "still come up with exactly what. But um"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "uh I just I just don't I'm not ready to"}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:23", "text": "to welcome this. I think we need to hold"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "our own counsel very carefully. We need"}, {"start": "01:25:23", "end": "01:25:28", "text": "the best and wisest minds in our world"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "to think about this. And that's another"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:34", "text": "problem because it's kept secret. And if"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:37", "text": "it's kept secret because of this reason,"}, {"start": "01:25:34", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "then the last thing that we need is for"}, {"start": "01:25:37", "end": "01:25:44", "text": "our best minds to embrace it. So it's"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:47", "text": "what a what a juggling act. You've got"}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:49", "text": "the people who are keeping it secret"}, {"start": "01:25:47", "end": "01:25:51", "text": "have to keep it secret from the very"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:53", "text": "people who might be able to understand"}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:56", "text": "it. It's wild."}, {"start": "01:25:53", "end": "01:25:58", "text": ">> Yeah, it is. Yeah, it it is absolutely"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:26:01", "text": "wild. And it it seems to defy"}, {"start": "01:25:58", "end": "01:26:03", "text": "conventional logic because you you know"}, {"start": "01:26:01", "end": "01:26:08", "text": "you have these conversations"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:08", "text": "um was it Eric Weinstein and Eric Davis?"}, {"start": "01:26:08", "end": "01:26:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:26:08", "end": "01:26:14", "text": ">> Sort of going back and forth on Jesse"}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:16", "text": "Michael's podcast about the fact that"}, {"start": "01:26:14", "end": "01:26:18", "text": "there are no physicists working in the"}, {"start": "01:26:16", "end": "01:26:20", "text": "program. Like that's some type of"}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:22", "text": "information that Eric Davis had access"}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:24", "text": "to and he's like yeah there's no one"}, {"start": "01:26:22", "end": "01:26:26", "text": "looking into advanced physics in the"}, {"start": "01:26:24", "end": "01:26:28", "text": "program. where Weinstein's like this"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "doesn't make sense. If you're trying to"}, {"start": "01:26:28", "end": "01:26:34", "text": "figure something out, then you would"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:35", "text": "need theoretical physicists. This would"}, {"start": "01:26:34", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "definitely explain why there are none in"}, {"start": "01:26:35", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "it."}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:38", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:40", "text": ">> It it explains a lot actually."}, {"start": "01:26:38", "end": "01:26:41", "text": ">> They don't want anyone to get too close."}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:44", "text": ">> Yeah. They're scared of anyone getting"}, {"start": "01:26:41", "end": "01:26:47", "text": "too close. And it would also explain"}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "like the willingness to kill to keep the"}, {"start": "01:26:47", "end": "01:26:54", "text": "secret because the secret becomes so"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "critically important that they, you"}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "know, of course they they'd be"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:26:59", "text": "terrified."}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Using disclosure as a gateway"}, {"start": "01:26:59", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "isn't is just such a stimulating"}, {"start": "01:27:01", "end": "01:27:03", "text": "thought."}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:04", "text": ">> Yeah. It's amazing, isn't it?"}, {"start": "01:27:03", "end": "01:27:05", "text": ">> Yeah, it really is."}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:06", "text": ">> Yeah. It's going to eat at you. Believe"}, {"start": "01:27:05", "end": "01:27:07", "text": "me,"}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:09", "text": ">> it does because you know it's"}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:11", "text": ">> at first you said, \"Oh, this sounds"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:12", "text": "absurd.\" But now now you're getting into"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:14", "text": "it though. I guess"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:16", "text": ">> it's science fiction, but it's also"}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:18", "text": "something that I would still consider"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:20", "text": "like cuz this whole topic is science"}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:23", "text": "fiction. It's it's science fiction made"}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:24", "text": "real. It's it's our reality, you know."}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:29", "text": ">> Is surfing alongside science fiction and"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:30", "text": "has been, you know, for"}, {"start": "01:27:29", "end": "01:27:33", "text": ">> you know, when I was abducted, that's"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "exactly how I felt. my horror novel had"}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:40", "text": "novels had come into my life physically"}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:43", "text": "and there there could be a kind of"}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:46", "text": "connection between what happened to me"}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:49", "text": "and what I was doing with my imagination"}, {"start": "01:27:46", "end": "01:27:53", "text": "prior to that. Okay, let's say"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "hypothetically these aliens are looking,"}, {"start": "01:27:53", "end": "01:27:55", "text": "these extraterrestrials,"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:57", "text": "interdimensional, ultraterrestrial,"}, {"start": "01:27:55", "end": "01:27:59", "text": "whatever you call them, are looking to"}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:03", "text": "enter our"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:07", "text": "reality and they are hostile. But they"}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:08", "text": "propose to you, well, what's your best"}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:11", "text": "argument? What's your best case why we"}, {"start": "01:28:08", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "shouldn't take you over? What would you"}, {"start": "01:28:11", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "say to defend the entire human race? not"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:19", "text": "to put all that on your shoulders, but"}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:21", "text": "what would be your argument as to, hey,"}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:23", "text": "we're special. Like, what's what would"}, {"start": "01:28:21", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "you say to them?"}, {"start": "01:28:23", "end": "01:28:28", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:30", "text": "you know, if I was in a position"}, {"start": "01:28:28", "end": "01:28:35", "text": "where I could communicate with them in"}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:38", "text": "that way and I knew that they were"}, {"start": "01:28:35", "end": "01:28:40", "text": "trying to take us over, I would end up"}, {"start": "01:28:38", "end": "01:28:44", "text": "in exactly the place the Air Force is"}, {"start": "01:28:40", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "in. I would ignore them."}, {"start": "01:28:44", "end": "01:28:49", "text": "And that's what the Air Force is doing."}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:53", "text": "It's always ignored them. Like when the"}, {"start": "01:28:49", "end": "01:28:56", "text": "Lesie and Ralph Lesie Kane and Ralph"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "Blumenthal came out with the story in"}, {"start": "01:28:56", "end": "01:29:03", "text": "2017, the tic tac story in the Times,"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:05", "text": "the Air Force said nothing. The silence"}, {"start": "01:29:03", "end": "01:29:08", "text": "became deafening after a while because"}, {"start": "01:29:05", "end": "01:29:12", "text": "the Air Force still says nothing. And"}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:14", "text": "the Air Force has got to know more than"}, {"start": "01:29:12", "end": "01:29:16", "text": "any other branch of the service almost"}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:20", "text": "certainly."}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:22", "text": "And I think if I'm right about this, I"}, {"start": "01:29:20", "end": "01:29:25", "text": "know why the Air Force says nothing. And"}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:29", "text": "therefore, I would not I would be in a"}, {"start": "01:29:25", "end": "01:29:32", "text": "position where I couldn't"}, {"start": "01:29:29", "end": "01:29:33", "text": "risk"}, {"start": "01:29:32", "end": "01:29:37", "text": "engagement."}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:40", "text": ">> And here's another thing. Every"}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:43", "text": "president since Truman"}, {"start": "01:29:40", "end": "01:29:47", "text": "has declined"}, {"start": "01:29:43", "end": "01:29:50", "text": "to open this door. Truman certainly"}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:54", "text": "would have been asked about that. Uh"}, {"start": "01:29:50", "end": "01:29:56", "text": "Eisenhower would have known about it."}, {"start": "01:29:54", "end": "01:29:57", "text": "Nixon would have known about it."}, {"start": "01:29:56", "end": "01:30:00", "text": ">> Carter"}, {"start": "01:29:57", "end": "01:30:04", "text": ">> Carter asked about it. I know the"}, {"start": "01:30:00", "end": "01:30:08", "text": "Reagans knew about it. uh they they've"}, {"start": "01:30:04", "end": "01:30:10", "text": "all known something. Obama, and this is"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:12", "text": "very telling,"}, {"start": "01:30:10", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "uh John Podesta at the end of the Obama"}, {"start": "01:30:12", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "administration says, \"My greatest regret"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "is that we didn't uh release the UFO"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:26", "text": "files.\" Now, Obama has gone all the way"}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:30", "text": "to the other side and saying, \"There are"}, {"start": "01:30:26", "end": "01:30:32", "text": "no aliens here.\" the church, the uh"}, {"start": "01:30:30", "end": "01:30:34", "text": "astronomer, the chief astronomer of the"}, {"start": "01:30:32", "end": "01:30:34", "text": "church just the other day."}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:37", "text": ">> Yeah, I saw that."}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Said, \"I don't believe that it's"}, {"start": "01:30:37", "end": "01:30:39", "text": "real.\""}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:42", "text": ">> Not enough evidence."}, {"start": "01:30:39", "end": "01:30:44", "text": ">> Not enough evidence. But what are these"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:46", "text": "people really saying? Are they really"}, {"start": "01:30:44", "end": "01:30:47", "text": "trying to put their fingers in the dyke?"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:30:47", "end": "01:30:53", "text": ">> And uh uh in other words, do they know"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:55", "text": "this secret and they're trying to"}, {"start": "01:30:53", "end": "01:30:58", "text": "prevent this from happening? And that"}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:31:01", "text": "gets me to why would Trump suddenly go"}, {"start": "01:30:58", "end": "01:31:02", "text": "in the opposite direction. And you know,"}, {"start": "01:31:01", "end": "01:31:06", "text": "he's going to go there because you look"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "at that website, you see"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:12", "text": "it's it'll it could get to a billion"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:14", "text": "hits in a few few weeks, more weeks. Any"}, {"start": "01:31:12", "end": "01:31:15", "text": "politician sees numbers like that, he's"}, {"start": "01:31:14", "end": "01:31:15", "text": "doing it."}, {"start": "01:31:15", "end": "01:31:16", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:15", "end": "01:31:17", "text": ">> He's going there."}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:19", "text": ">> Yeah. 100%."}, {"start": "01:31:17", "end": "01:31:26", "text": ">> 100%."}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:28", "text": "And is he a ringer for evil aliens? Or"}, {"start": "01:31:26", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "is he doing us the greatest favor in"}, {"start": "01:31:28", "end": "01:31:35", "text": "history? We can't know"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "until the door in our minds is open."}, {"start": "01:31:35", "end": "01:31:39", "text": ">> Wouldn't that be a twist?"}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:42", "text": ">> But the problem is this. We can't know"}, {"start": "01:31:39", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "whether this is good or bad until they"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:47", "text": "come in. And they come in through the if"}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:50", "text": "they come in through the mind then"}, {"start": "01:31:47", "end": "01:31:52", "text": "that's a door we can never close again."}, {"start": "01:31:50", "end": "01:31:53", "text": ">> Yeah. And the tr then the genie truly is"}, {"start": "01:31:52", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "out of the bottle."}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:58", "text": ">> And you'd sit down with a president and"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:32:02", "text": "you say if you say this the president"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:05", "text": "says this that is re it's going to reach"}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:07", "text": "critical mass and they will come in"}, {"start": "01:32:05", "end": "01:32:09", "text": "through the door of the mind and we will"}, {"start": "01:32:07", "end": "01:32:13", "text": "never be able to close it and we don't"}, {"start": "01:32:09", "end": "01:32:14", "text": "know what they are. So every president"}, {"start": "01:32:13", "end": "01:32:17", "text": "says, \"Well, I'm going to definitely"}, {"start": "01:32:14", "end": "01:32:20", "text": "pass on that.\" Um, I only know a few"}, {"start": "01:32:17", "end": "01:32:25", "text": "definite stories about this. I know that"}, {"start": "01:32:20", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "Lynden Johnson was approached or let he"}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:30", "text": "said with he was they someone talked to"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:32", "text": "him, I'm pretty sure, for about five"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:34", "text": "minutes and he said, \"I'm not interested"}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "in this. Take it to Hubert Humphrey, his"}, {"start": "01:32:34", "end": "01:32:43", "text": "vice president.\" And uh Carter"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:44", "text": "supposedly wept when he heard the truth."}, {"start": "01:32:43", "end": "01:32:46", "text": ">> And that's disturbing. Yeah, there's"}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:47", "text": "there. And he had a sighting of his own,"}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:49", "text": "too. So,"}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:52", "text": ">> and he did. And what about Jim"}, {"start": "01:32:49", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "Forestall? Did he actually just go crazy"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:55", "text": "or did he know this story and he just"}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "couldn't handle it emotionally?"}, {"start": "01:32:55", "end": "01:32:59", "text": ">> Or was he going to let it out?"}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Or was he going to let it out?"}, {"start": "01:32:59", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "Yeah. Or uh John Vonman I talked about a"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:08", "text": "moment ago, he died a hard death. He was"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:11", "text": "terrified of death. I wrote a short"}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:15", "text": "story called The Open Doors"}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:18", "text": "uh sort of in the mind of Dr. Vonman"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:22", "text": "while he while he was contemplating his"}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:24", "text": "his his death and worrying about this"}, {"start": "01:33:22", "end": "01:33:27", "text": "happening the the doors in the mind"}, {"start": "01:33:24", "end": "01:33:30", "text": "being open to them."}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:33", "text": "I just, you know, we're we're in a in a"}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:36", "text": "in a way in a wonderful place to be and"}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:38", "text": "a very scary place to be because no"}, {"start": "01:33:36", "end": "01:33:42", "text": "matter what happens now, the world"}, {"start": "01:33:38", "end": "01:33:47", "text": "changes one way or another profoundly"}, {"start": "01:33:42", "end": "01:33:49", "text": "because what if this isn't true and that"}, {"start": "01:33:47", "end": "01:33:51", "text": "all the disclosure"}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:54", "text": "will not mean a door is open that we can"}, {"start": "01:33:51", "end": "01:33:56", "text": "never close? What if it's something"}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:33:58", "text": "good? What if it means yes it's a door"}, {"start": "01:33:56", "end": "01:34:00", "text": "that opens that we ne can never close in"}, {"start": "01:33:58", "end": "01:34:03", "text": "the mind but it's good what what happens"}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:05", "text": "is greatly expands the reach and meaning"}, {"start": "01:34:03", "end": "01:34:08", "text": "of the human species and the richness of"}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:11", "text": "human life you know it's just an"}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:13", "text": "extraordinary point of inflection and"}, {"start": "01:34:11", "end": "01:34:17", "text": "the most incredible one of the most"}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:21", "text": "incredible things about it is a trump"}, {"start": "01:34:17", "end": "01:34:25", "text": "card is a card that forces change"}, {"start": "01:34:21", "end": "01:34:28", "text": "and his name is Trump. [laughter]"}, {"start": "01:34:25", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "I'm I that just that's wild."}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:31", "text": ">> Has a interesting synchronicity for"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:34", "text": "sure."}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:37", "text": ">> Yeah, it's weird. Very weird."}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:40", "text": ">> Yeah. I also think if we are going to"}, {"start": "01:34:37", "end": "01:34:43", "text": "live through such a paradigm shift"}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:47", "text": "that I always thought we're going to"}, {"start": "01:34:43", "end": "01:34:49", "text": "start counting the years at zero again."}, {"start": "01:34:47", "end": "01:34:51", "text": ">> I think it could be that big a shift."}, {"start": "01:34:49", "end": "01:34:53", "text": ">> Yeah. because you'll be everything will"}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:54", "text": "be in reference to before and after,"}, {"start": "01:34:53", "end": "01:34:56", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:34:54", "end": "01:34:58", "text": ">> Was that before they touched down or was"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:00", "text": "that after? You know, and I think"}, {"start": "01:34:58", "end": "01:35:03", "text": ">> but also if it does happen in a gradual"}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:04", "text": "way, which it does seem to be happening"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:07", "text": "in the last, you know, 70 80 years"}, {"start": "01:35:04", "end": "01:35:09", "text": "happening gradually,"}, {"start": "01:35:07", "end": "01:35:11", "text": ">> you zoom out far enough and that isn't"}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:14", "text": "so gradual anymore, right? Like when you"}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "have a change and if the change takes a"}, {"start": "01:35:14", "end": "01:35:18", "text": "while, if you zoom out, it looks"}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:21", "text": "immediate, right? And so we might be"}, {"start": "01:35:18", "end": "01:35:24", "text": "going through an immediate change except"}, {"start": "01:35:21", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "that it lasts one or two lifetimes,"}, {"start": "01:35:24", "end": "01:35:28", "text": ">> which seems, you know, super long to us,"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:32", "text": ">> But it really isn't. One, two, three"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:35", "text": "generations. That's pretty quick when"}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "you look at how long we've been around"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "and, you know, inventing fire and all"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:42", "text": "the all this other primitive technology."}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:42", "text": "That's a long time for our species."}, {"start": "01:35:42", "end": "01:35:45", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:42", "end": "01:35:47", "text": ">> Couple generations. That's pretty quick."}, {"start": "01:35:45", "end": "01:35:49", "text": ">> That's a pretty quick shift. But you"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:51", "text": "know, Art Bell called it the Quickening."}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:52", "text": ">> Quickening. Yeah. He wrote a book called"}, {"start": "01:35:51", "end": "01:35:54", "text": "The Quickening."}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:56", "text": ">> And God, I miss him so he was such a"}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:36:00", "text": "friend. We were really close. He was a"}, {"start": "01:35:56", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "great guy. Anyway, um uh and if you look"}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:07", "text": "back in history, Egyptian civilization"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:10", "text": "changed very slowly over thousands of"}, {"start": "01:36:07", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "years. And by the way, that civilization"}, {"start": "01:36:10", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "has lasted lasted 10 times as long as"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:17", "text": "the United States has existed. So, you"}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:19", "text": "know, we're really new. We're we're"}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "babes in the woods in terms of last of"}, {"start": "01:36:19", "end": "01:36:27", "text": "longevity, in terms of civilizations."}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "So, um uh but then the Roman Empire came"}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "and things started perking up. Then it"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:35", "text": "collapsed and when it collapsed, things"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:38", "text": "really started changing much more"}, {"start": "01:36:35", "end": "01:36:41", "text": "quickly. And now, I mean, when I look"}, {"start": "01:36:38", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "back on my own life or you look back,"}, {"start": "01:36:41", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "you don't need to look back on my your"}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:46", "text": "own life. And you'd look back 5 years,"}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:47", "text": "this is a different world."}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:36:47", "end": "01:36:50", "text": ">> And 5 years before that, it's almost"}, {"start": "01:36:48", "end": "01:36:51", "text": "unrecognizably different."}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:53", "text": ">> True."}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:57", "text": ">> Unrecognizably different."}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:59", "text": ">> Yeah. We living in it, we have this"}, {"start": "01:36:57", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "myopic take that we don't really see"}, {"start": "01:36:59", "end": "01:37:02", "text": "sometimes. You know, people get very"}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:04", "text": "frustrated with this movement of"}, {"start": "01:37:02", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "disclosure and oh,"}, {"start": "01:37:04", "end": "01:37:07", "text": ">> I've seen this BS before and all this."}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "It's like you have to understand like"}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:12", "text": "zoom out a second and you realize how"}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:13", "text": "far we've come and how fast things are"}, {"start": "01:37:12", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "moving. actually."}, {"start": "01:37:13", "end": "01:37:18", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely."}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:20", "text": ">> Yeah. All right, Willie, I think um we"}, {"start": "01:37:18", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "got some questions from the audience"}, {"start": "01:37:20", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "that I'd love to get to if you don't"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:23", "text": "mind."}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:25", "text": ">> No, not at all. I love it."}, {"start": "01:37:23", "end": "01:37:28", "text": ">> Always great questions from our"}, {"start": "01:37:25", "end": "01:37:30", "text": "audience. As uh some of you might not"}, {"start": "01:37:28", "end": "01:37:32", "text": "know if you're a member here, one of the"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:36", "text": "perks is, you know, potentially getting"}, {"start": "01:37:32", "end": "01:37:40", "text": "your question asked on air. And here we"}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:40", "text": "have one from Tattlet Slug."}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:50", "text": "Very good question. Nearly 40 years"}, {"start": "01:37:47", "end": "01:37:53", "text": "later, what detail from that 1985 night"}, {"start": "01:37:50", "end": "01:37:56", "text": "still doesn't make sense to you?"}, {"start": "01:37:53", "end": "01:38:00", "text": ">> Okay, there's one detail from that night"}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:04", "text": "that both does and doesn't make sense."}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "They took semen from my body. My the"}, {"start": "01:38:04", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "most sacred part of me of any man is his"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:12", "text": "semen."}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:14", "text": "And now it makes sense because I can"}, {"start": "01:38:12", "end": "01:38:17", "text": "think of a lot of reasons why they might"}, {"start": "01:38:14", "end": "01:38:22", "text": "have wanted to do that. None of them I"}, {"start": "01:38:17", "end": "01:38:26", "text": "like. So why did they do it? What"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:27", "text": "happened to it? Where is it? Is their"}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:30", "text": "children,"}, {"start": "01:38:27", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "my children, my kids are out there"}, {"start": "01:38:30", "end": "01:38:37", "text": "somewhere?"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:40", "text": "That's the main thing that I I I the"}, {"start": "01:38:37", "end": "01:38:44", "text": "main unanswered question. Now, as far as"}, {"start": "01:38:40", "end": "01:38:46", "text": "not making sense, well, there was"}, {"start": "01:38:44", "end": "01:38:48", "text": "technology that was used. I went up in"}, {"start": "01:38:46", "end": "01:38:50", "text": "the air without an elevator, and that"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:54", "text": "certainly"}, {"start": "01:38:50", "end": "01:38:57", "text": "uh doesn't make sense to me. Uh"}, {"start": "01:38:54", "end": "01:39:01", "text": "they they captured me in the first place"}, {"start": "01:38:57", "end": "01:39:05", "text": "in some way that I don't understand."}, {"start": "01:39:01", "end": "01:39:08", "text": "They tried to suppress the memory but"}, {"start": "01:39:05", "end": "01:39:11", "text": "failed. So I sort of understand that."}, {"start": "01:39:08", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "But I think the main unanswered question"}, {"start": "01:39:11", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "is they took that part of me. What did"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:21", "text": "they do with it?"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:23", "text": "You hear about stories, contacties,"}, {"start": "01:39:21", "end": "01:39:26", "text": "varied amount of contacties. I think one"}, {"start": "01:39:23", "end": "01:39:28", "text": "of the first ones to mention this type"}, {"start": "01:39:26", "end": "01:39:29", "text": "of thing was Debbie Jordan with a"}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:30", "text": ">> Debbie. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:39:29", "end": "01:39:31", "text": ">> Yeah. hybrid child,"}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:33", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:34", "text": ">> Uh but then so many more including a lot"}, {"start": "01:39:33", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "of the people that were here, including"}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:40", "text": "Eric Dansteel, we talked about include"}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:41", "text": "uh Nansteel, um Peter Curry as well. Um"}, {"start": "01:39:40", "end": "01:39:45", "text": "so so many other people."}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:46", "text": ">> They took eggs and semen from many"}, {"start": "01:39:45", "end": "01:39:47", "text": "people"}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:49", "text": ">> and then they show them the children"}, {"start": "01:39:47", "end": "01:39:51", "text": ">> and that that happened to us."}, {"start": "01:39:49", "end": "01:39:54", "text": ">> Yeah. They showed us, they showed Ann"}, {"start": "01:39:51", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "and I a baby and we were going, we're"}, {"start": "01:39:54", "end": "01:40:01", "text": "going to dinner and uh the three of us"}, {"start": "01:39:58", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "and Andrew was probably about 8, nine"}, {"start": "01:40:01", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "maybe. And uh we're going to dinner. We"}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:10", "text": "go down into the garage in the cabin,"}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:13", "text": "get in the car"}, {"start": "01:40:10", "end": "01:40:14", "text": "and backing out"}, {"start": "01:40:13", "end": "01:40:17", "text": "and we're going up the road and we're"}, {"start": "01:40:14", "end": "01:40:18", "text": "suddenly I realize we're late. You know,"}, {"start": "01:40:17", "end": "01:40:20", "text": "we left with plenty of time, but now"}, {"start": "01:40:18", "end": "01:40:22", "text": "we're not we might not make our"}, {"start": "01:40:20", "end": "01:40:25", "text": "reservation. In other words, we'd had"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:28", "text": "missing time. And I found that we were"}, {"start": "01:40:25", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "all talking about babies, a baby. And I"}, {"start": "01:40:28", "end": "01:40:31", "text": "have a vague memory, and so did Dan. We"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:35", "text": "never brought this up, of course, with"}, {"start": "01:40:31", "end": "01:40:37", "text": "our little boy, of holding a baby. At"}, {"start": "01:40:35", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "the time, I didn't know anything about"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:43", "text": "the fact that people had"}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:46", "text": "were shown children and stuff, but I"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "think that that might have been ours."}, {"start": "01:40:46", "end": "01:40:49", "text": "mine. Anyway,"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:52", "text": ">> what's your best guess as to what"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "they're doing with these children?"}, {"start": "01:40:52", "end": "01:40:58", "text": "I've had so many"}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:41:02", "text": "worries about this, Chris."}, {"start": "01:40:58", "end": "01:41:04", "text": "I want to"}, {"start": "01:41:02", "end": "01:41:07", "text": "know."}, {"start": "01:41:04", "end": "01:41:10", "text": "And they could be anything. They could"}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:13", "text": "be having extraordinary lives,"}, {"start": "01:41:10", "end": "01:41:16", "text": "wonderful, rich lives. They could be"}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:19", "text": "watching over us. They could be turn out"}, {"start": "01:41:16", "end": "01:41:20", "text": "to be there when we die and we leave our"}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:22", "text": "bodies. It could be that our children"}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:26", "text": "that we had with them are going to"}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:28", "text": "conduct us into the next life."}, {"start": "01:41:26", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "It could be that they were devoured or"}, {"start": "01:41:28", "end": "01:41:33", "text": "that their souls were they were raised"}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:36", "text": "like farm animals and harvested somehow."}, {"start": "01:41:33", "end": "01:41:40", "text": "It could be anything. That's the agony"}, {"start": "01:41:36", "end": "01:41:42", "text": "of it. You don't know."}, {"start": "01:41:40", "end": "01:41:45", "text": "And"}, {"start": "01:41:42", "end": "01:41:47", "text": "it's just it's a hor it's a hard part of"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:50", "text": "this thing. I live with this all the"}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:52", "text": "time. I pray for my kids, my whoever"}, {"start": "01:41:50", "end": "01:41:54", "text": "they are and however many because you"}, {"start": "01:41:52", "end": "01:41:57", "text": "know one you know a little bit of semen"}, {"start": "01:41:54", "end": "01:42:00", "text": "can go a long way. A a woman might lose"}, {"start": "01:41:57", "end": "01:42:03", "text": "an egg every you know eggs you know 10"}, {"start": "01:42:00", "end": "01:42:05", "text": "or 15 eggs over the years but a guy"}, {"start": "01:42:03", "end": "01:42:10", "text": "could have hundreds of children out of"}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:14", "text": "one one vial of semen. And I remember"}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "very well they took it away in a little"}, {"start": "01:42:14", "end": "01:42:22", "text": "gold vial. It was shaped like this gold"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:25", "text": "color. And that was obviously"}, {"start": "01:42:22", "end": "01:42:30", "text": "they were excited. And this little being"}, {"start": "01:42:25", "end": "01:42:33", "text": "ran off with it like it was a treasure."}, {"start": "01:42:30", "end": "01:42:35", "text": "And I I think that that gestalt that way"}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:38", "text": "it made me feel that they were thinking"}, {"start": "01:42:35", "end": "01:42:40", "text": "of it was that you know this was"}, {"start": "01:42:38", "end": "01:42:41", "text": "something they wanted and needed very"}, {"start": "01:42:40", "end": "01:42:44", "text": "badly."}, {"start": "01:42:41", "end": "01:42:47", "text": "And God Chris there are so many books"}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:51", "text": "and so many conclusions about what that"}, {"start": "01:42:47", "end": "01:42:54", "text": "may mean. But I do know this. They"}, {"start": "01:42:51", "end": "01:42:56", "text": "obviously want us around or they"}, {"start": "01:42:54", "end": "01:42:59", "text": "wouldn't they wouldn't be taking this"}, {"start": "01:42:56", "end": "01:43:01", "text": "from us. They need us from something for"}, {"start": "01:42:59", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "some reason."}, {"start": "01:43:01", "end": "01:43:05", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of, like you"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "said, there's a lot of conclusions to"}, {"start": "01:43:05", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "draw there."}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:08", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:11", "text": ">> Many from,"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "you know, just their their perhaps their"}, {"start": "01:43:11", "end": "01:43:15", "text": "own population dying out somehow due to,"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:19", "text": "you know, whatever radiation or what"}, {"start": "01:43:15", "end": "01:43:21", "text": "have you. Uh, we're seeing sperm count"}, {"start": "01:43:19", "end": "01:43:23", "text": "being lowered in males as quick as 1%"}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:24", "text": "per year since the 1980s,"}, {"start": "01:43:23", "end": "01:43:26", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:43:24", "end": "01:43:28", "text": "um you know harvesting that now would be"}, {"start": "01:43:26", "end": "01:43:30", "text": "imperative."}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:32", "text": ">> Actually harvesting it prior to the"}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:32", "text": "1980s right around the 1980s would have"}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:34", "text": "been imperative."}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:37", "text": ">> Well that was when this the abduction"}, {"start": "01:43:34", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "started in the 1960s in in large numbers"}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:44", "text": "and peaked in the in the late 70s and"}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "drifted off through the 80s and by 1990"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:48", "text": "they were pretty much gone."}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:50", "text": ">> Yeah. There's um you know Dr. Michael"}, {"start": "01:43:48", "end": "01:43:53", "text": "Masters has a really interesting take on"}, {"start": "01:43:50", "end": "01:43:55", "text": "this with his uh how does he call it?"}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:43:55", "text": "Extra tempestrial model."}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:44:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:44:02", "text": ">> Um the idea that our population, you"}, {"start": "01:44:00", "end": "01:44:04", "text": "know, if you're going to take a sample"}, {"start": "01:44:02", "end": "01:44:06", "text": "for genetics, for instance, you would"}, {"start": "01:44:04", "end": "01:44:08", "text": "want to make sure the sample is as"}, {"start": "01:44:06", "end": "01:44:11", "text": "varied as possible, right? Many"}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:14", "text": "variances so then you can have the best"}, {"start": "01:44:11", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "possible sample. Well, we were never"}, {"start": "01:44:14", "end": "01:44:21", "text": "more varied than in and around the 1960s"}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:23", "text": "in our entire history. There were uh"}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "mixed races. There were like people"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:26", "text": "traveling, having babies with people"}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:28", "text": "from different cultures. That's right."}, {"start": "01:44:26", "end": "01:44:31", "text": "We were extremely varied at that pocket"}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:33", "text": "and then our sperm count started"}, {"start": "01:44:31", "end": "01:44:34", "text": "dropping. So there is a it feels like"}, {"start": "01:44:33", "end": "01:44:35", "text": "there is a small pocket there. If you"}, {"start": "01:44:34", "end": "01:44:37", "text": "were traveling in time or"}, {"start": "01:44:35", "end": "01:44:38", "text": "interdimensionally or from across a"}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "galaxy, that would have been"}, {"start": "01:44:38", "end": "01:44:40", "text": ">> the time."}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:43", "text": ">> That would have been the time."}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:46", "text": ">> The time. Exactly. And that obviously"}, {"start": "01:44:43", "end": "01:44:48", "text": "whoever did it knows that. And you know"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:49", "text": "if there's another thing let's talk"}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:52", "text": "about time travel a little bit because"}, {"start": "01:44:49", "end": "01:44:55", "text": "I've also thought about that a lot."}, {"start": "01:44:52", "end": "01:44:58", "text": ">> Um I've had an experience of this. So"}, {"start": "01:44:55", "end": "01:45:00", "text": "even though"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "in my understanding of science I can't"}, {"start": "01:45:00", "end": "01:45:05", "text": "see where time as we know it even"}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:07", "text": "exists."}, {"start": "01:45:05", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "In other words, time is something we put"}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:13", "text": "on uh uh uh the the the the changes that"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:15", "text": "we perceive. We call that time and we"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:18", "text": "measure it."}, {"start": "01:45:15", "end": "01:45:21", "text": "At the same time, I had an experience of"}, {"start": "01:45:18", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "going back in time at one point. And it"}, {"start": "01:45:21", "end": "01:45:29", "text": "was very physical."}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:31", "text": "So could it be that"}, {"start": "01:45:29", "end": "01:45:34", "text": "in the future"}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:37", "text": "they are"}, {"start": "01:45:34", "end": "01:45:40", "text": "us and they are"}, {"start": "01:45:37", "end": "01:45:43", "text": "they've run out of"}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:44", "text": ">> good genes because of maybe pollution,"}, {"start": "01:45:43", "end": "01:45:46", "text": "atomic war, all kinds of different"}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "things could have happened say"}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:51", "text": ">> and [clears throat] microplastics"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:53", "text": ">> micro thousand years 2,000 years and we"}, {"start": "01:45:51", "end": "01:45:54", "text": "are virtually in fact alone at least in"}, {"start": "01:45:53", "end": "01:45:57", "text": "the univer. universe and it's a big"}, {"start": "01:45:54", "end": "01:46:00", "text": "place but it's not so big that we can be"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:46:04", "text": "in contact with anyone else. What would"}, {"start": "01:46:00", "end": "01:46:05", "text": "you need to do to come back to the past?"}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:09", "text": "Well, first of all, you would need to be"}, {"start": "01:46:05", "end": "01:46:11", "text": "able to travel back into a certain kind"}, {"start": "01:46:09", "end": "01:46:14", "text": "of distance."}, {"start": "01:46:11", "end": "01:46:16", "text": "Uh and but the other thing that would"}, {"start": "01:46:14", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "happen is something called the"}, {"start": "01:46:16", "end": "01:46:22", "text": "grandfather paradox would kick in and"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:24", "text": "you would have a very limited amount of"}, {"start": "01:46:22", "end": "01:46:28", "text": "things number of things you could do in"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:30", "text": "the past without changing the present"}, {"start": "01:46:28", "end": "01:46:34", "text": "unless you could deceive the grandfather"}, {"start": "01:46:30", "end": "01:46:38", "text": "paradox. And what if you could deceive"}, {"start": "01:46:34", "end": "01:46:42", "text": "the grandfather par paradox, trick it by"}, {"start": "01:46:38", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "creating something that didn't exist at"}, {"start": "01:46:42", "end": "01:46:50", "text": "all in the past. In other words, the"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:53", "text": "aliens aren't aliens at all. They are"}, {"start": "01:46:50", "end": "01:46:56", "text": "something that was created by humanity"}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "in the future to give us them more"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:47:00", "text": "freedom of action in the present."}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:03", "text": ">> That's interesting."}, {"start": "01:47:00", "end": "01:47:05", "text": ">> Yeah. So maybe that's an explanation for"}, {"start": "01:47:03", "end": "01:47:08", "text": "it. Now I'll tell you the story of time"}, {"start": "01:47:05", "end": "01:47:09", "text": "travel that I experienced if I"}, {"start": "01:47:08", "end": "01:47:13", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:09", "end": "01:47:15", "text": ">> Uh this happened in March of 1983"}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:17", "text": "and it's important to understand that"}, {"start": "01:47:15", "end": "01:47:20", "text": "this is before anything any of the"}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:22", "text": "communion stuff. I was far from the UFO"}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "alien world at that time. That was some"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:27", "text": "of no interest to me whatsoever."}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:31", "text": ">> And I yeah I hadn't thought about that"}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:33", "text": "since I was 12 years old. And uh I'm"}, {"start": "01:47:31", "end": "01:47:36", "text": "walking down"}, {"start": "01:47:33", "end": "01:47:40", "text": "uh Bleecker not Bleecker Street uh uh"}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:45", "text": "LaGuardia Place. We lived at 347 uh I"}, {"start": "01:47:40", "end": "01:47:47", "text": "think that's best. We lived at uh on G"}, {"start": "01:47:45", "end": "01:47:50", "text": "LaGuardia Place just immediately north"}, {"start": "01:47:47", "end": "01:47:53", "text": "of Bleecker 520 LaGuardia Place was"}, {"start": "01:47:50", "end": "01:47:55", "text": "called and there's a beautiful park"}, {"start": "01:47:53", "end": "01:47:59", "text": "there by the way if anyone ever wants to"}, {"start": "01:47:55", "end": "01:48:01", "text": "go. It's called LaGuardia Park and it's"}, {"start": "01:47:59", "end": "01:48:02", "text": "it wasn't there then. It was just mud."}, {"start": "01:48:01", "end": "01:48:04", "text": "And one day Anne looked out of our"}, {"start": "01:48:02", "end": "01:48:06", "text": "windows and she said, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:09", "text": "going to turn that into a park. And I"}, {"start": "01:48:06", "end": "01:48:10", "text": "thought, oh my god, and being Ann, that"}, {"start": "01:48:09", "end": "01:48:12", "text": "means I'm going to be out there with"}, {"start": "01:48:10", "end": "01:48:15", "text": "shovels. And I I said, well, how are you"}, {"start": "01:48:12", "end": "01:48:18", "text": "going to do that? And she says, don't"}, {"start": "01:48:15", "end": "01:48:20", "text": "nothing to do with you. I'll do it. And"}, {"start": "01:48:18", "end": "01:48:23", "text": "before I knew it, millions of dollars"}, {"start": "01:48:20", "end": "01:48:25", "text": "had been raised. And now there's this"}, {"start": "01:48:23", "end": "01:48:27", "text": "beautiful park there. And there's"}, {"start": "01:48:25", "end": "01:48:30", "text": "there's a beautiful statue of Maril"}, {"start": "01:48:27", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "LaGuardia in it and a plaque under his"}, {"start": "01:48:30", "end": "01:48:35", "text": "under the statue with all the amazing"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:38", "text": "fancy people that for however she did it"}, {"start": "01:48:35", "end": "01:48:39", "text": "and got involved and also the name of"}, {"start": "01:48:38", "end": "01:48:41", "text": "Whitley and Anne Strieber as the"}, {"start": "01:48:39", "end": "01:48:44", "text": "creators of the among the creators of"}, {"start": "01:48:41", "end": "01:48:45", "text": "the park only I said to her when they"}, {"start": "01:48:44", "end": "01:48:48", "text": "were making that plaque I said Annie you"}, {"start": "01:48:45", "end": "01:48:50", "text": "shouldn't put my name on there. She said"}, {"start": "01:48:48", "end": "01:48:54", "text": "no no you you should be on there. You"}, {"start": "01:48:50", "end": "01:48:59", "text": "you said you said yes to it. So anyway,"}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:49:02", "text": "uh, okay. I'm on the corner of Bleecker"}, {"start": "01:48:59", "end": "01:49:06", "text": "of uh, Laguardia Place and West Halston"}, {"start": "01:49:02", "end": "01:49:08", "text": "Street. It's a sort of busy March"}, {"start": "01:49:06", "end": "01:49:11", "text": "morning. I'm going to the bank. It's a"}, {"start": "01:49:08", "end": "01:49:13", "text": "Saturday morning to get some money for"}, {"start": "01:49:11", "end": "01:49:16", "text": "because this is before, you know, cash"}, {"start": "01:49:13", "end": "01:49:23", "text": "machines. you had to go from the tellers"}, {"start": "01:49:16", "end": "01:49:25", "text": ">> and um the light is is just about to"}, {"start": "01:49:23", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "it's it's red. It's just the don't walk"}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:34", "text": "sign is red and I hear I do not see I"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:38", "text": "hear what sounds like something big and"}, {"start": "01:49:34", "end": "01:49:40", "text": "really creaky going right past in front"}, {"start": "01:49:38", "end": "01:49:43", "text": "of me right on the street like right a"}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:46", "text": "few feet in front of me and it turns"}, {"start": "01:49:43", "end": "01:49:49", "text": "onto Lagoria place and I'm automatically"}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:52", "text": "I turn with it because you know I'm the"}, {"start": "01:49:49", "end": "01:49:57", "text": "sound is loud it's a lot of noise and as"}, {"start": "01:49:52", "end": "01:50:01", "text": "it I turn I see a big wagon that's being"}, {"start": "01:49:57", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "pulled by big greyh horses and it's got"}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:08", "text": "uh jars on it and you can hear sloshing"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:10", "text": "and you can smell pickles and it's a"}, {"start": "01:50:08", "end": "01:50:13", "text": "pickle a wagon this big wagon with"}, {"start": "01:50:10", "end": "01:50:18", "text": "pickles and a guy way up on top of it in"}, {"start": "01:50:13", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "a black apron and I'm thinking what it"}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:22", "text": "must be a parade and I thought where"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:24", "text": "yeah I was just totally disoriented I"}, {"start": "01:50:22", "end": "01:50:26", "text": "mean you can imagine"}, {"start": "01:50:24", "end": "01:50:30", "text": "And so I look back to see the rest of"}, {"start": "01:50:26", "end": "01:50:32", "text": "the parade and instead I see there's"}, {"start": "01:50:30", "end": "01:50:37", "text": "right like this close to me there's a"}, {"start": "01:50:32", "end": "01:50:40", "text": "woman about this tall who is uh totally"}, {"start": "01:50:37", "end": "01:50:42", "text": "dressed in black and she shries away"}, {"start": "01:50:40", "end": "01:50:46", "text": "from me and goes skit skittering away"}, {"start": "01:50:42", "end": "01:50:49", "text": "from me and then I turn back as I hear a"}, {"start": "01:50:46", "end": "01:50:52", "text": "voice and as I'm turning back I turn"}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:56", "text": "this way to toward the voice and it's a"}, {"start": "01:50:52", "end": "01:50:58", "text": "man across Ross the street the at that"}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:01", "text": "time there were two condos there. There"}, {"start": "01:50:58", "end": "01:51:03", "text": "are no condos. There's a row of"}, {"start": "01:51:01", "end": "01:51:05", "text": "brownstones"}, {"start": "01:51:03", "end": "01:51:08", "text": "and the man is there and he's in a derby"}, {"start": "01:51:05", "end": "01:51:12", "text": "and he's very intense expression on his"}, {"start": "01:51:08", "end": "01:51:15", "text": "face and he is calling to me or saying"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:17", "text": "something I can't quite hear"}, {"start": "01:51:15", "end": "01:51:19", "text": "and"}, {"start": "01:51:17", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "I'm thinking I'm becoming a little"}, {"start": "01:51:19", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "oriented. I'm thinking I'm I'm back in"}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:28", "text": "time. This is the past. And I look"}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:32", "text": "around and I think I've got to prove"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:35", "text": "this. And I'm looking around. I see a"}, {"start": "01:51:32", "end": "01:51:38", "text": "group of horsemen in beautiful with"}, {"start": "01:51:35", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "thoroughbred horses and the red riding"}, {"start": "01:51:38", "end": "01:51:43", "text": "clothes, the fancy clothes coming up"}, {"start": "01:51:40", "end": "01:51:47", "text": "West Broadway and their carriages and it"}, {"start": "01:51:43", "end": "01:51:49", "text": "the air is sort of brown. It smells"}, {"start": "01:51:47", "end": "01:51:51", "text": "different. It smells like coal smoke"}, {"start": "01:51:49", "end": "01:51:54", "text": "actually. And you know, I'm getting very"}, {"start": "01:51:51", "end": "01:51:58", "text": "amazed and excited now because boy, I"}, {"start": "01:51:54", "end": "01:52:02", "text": "mean, how extraordinary is this? And I'm"}, {"start": "01:51:58", "end": "01:52:04", "text": "see some newspaper in the gutter. And I"}, {"start": "01:52:02", "end": "01:52:06", "text": "think to myself, I'm going to get that"}, {"start": "01:52:04", "end": "01:52:11", "text": "newspaper because I'll find the date on"}, {"start": "01:52:06", "end": "01:52:16", "text": "it. And I lean over to pick it up. And"}, {"start": "01:52:11", "end": "01:52:19", "text": "when I lean over, what feels like"}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:23", "text": "ice water goes through the center of my"}, {"start": "01:52:19", "end": "01:52:26", "text": "body and I experience"}, {"start": "01:52:23", "end": "01:52:31", "text": "unbelievable loneliness."}, {"start": "01:52:26", "end": "01:52:34", "text": "Like it is so lonely that if I stayed"}, {"start": "01:52:31", "end": "01:52:38", "text": "that lonely, that feeling of loneliness"}, {"start": "01:52:34", "end": "01:52:41", "text": "kept in my mind for long, I would think"}, {"start": "01:52:38", "end": "01:52:45", "text": "I would have gone mad. And I just"}, {"start": "01:52:41", "end": "01:52:47", "text": "freeze. I stop."}, {"start": "01:52:45", "end": "01:52:50", "text": "And gradually"}, {"start": "01:52:47", "end": "01:52:53", "text": "our world comes back."}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:56", "text": "And the light which said don't walk is"}, {"start": "01:52:53", "end": "01:52:57", "text": "now flashing which means that it went"}, {"start": "01:52:56", "end": "01:53:01", "text": "through the walk cycle and it's"}, {"start": "01:52:57", "end": "01:53:03", "text": "flashing. So I've been in there for"}, {"start": "01:53:01", "end": "01:53:06", "text": "about a minute"}, {"start": "01:53:03", "end": "01:53:09", "text": "and now it's back to this time. But is"}, {"start": "01:53:06", "end": "01:53:12", "text": "it really this time? I'm not sure. It"}, {"start": "01:53:09", "end": "01:53:13", "text": "looks like the normal world, but there's"}, {"start": "01:53:12", "end": "01:53:16", "text": "no way I'm going to the bank now. I"}, {"start": "01:53:13", "end": "01:53:19", "text": "turned around and ran home for fear that"}, {"start": "01:53:16", "end": "01:53:21", "text": "I would was not back in this time. But"}, {"start": "01:53:19", "end": "01:53:23", "text": "what if I was 2 days earlier, 2 days"}, {"start": "01:53:21", "end": "01:53:26", "text": "late? What had happened to me? I go"}, {"start": "01:53:23", "end": "01:53:28", "text": "upstairs and everything is normal. Ann"}, {"start": "01:53:26", "end": "01:53:30", "text": "says, \"Where's the money?\" I said, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:53:28", "end": "01:53:34", "text": "I forgot it.\" She said, \"Well, what did"}, {"start": "01:53:30", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "you do?\" I said, \"I'll go back out and"}, {"start": "01:53:34", "end": "01:53:38", "text": "get it.\" So, I went back out and got the"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:40", "text": "money."}, {"start": "01:53:38", "end": "01:53:41", "text": "I tell her the story eventually and she"}, {"start": "01:53:40", "end": "01:53:43", "text": "listens to it and you know we're not"}, {"start": "01:53:41", "end": "01:53:45", "text": "into these weird stories at that point"}, {"start": "01:53:43", "end": "01:53:49", "text": "so she's sort of"}, {"start": "01:53:45", "end": "01:53:51", "text": ">> okay and um"}, {"start": "01:53:49", "end": "01:53:55", "text": "then"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:55", "text": "as time passes"}, {"start": "01:53:55", "end": "01:54:02", "text": "it it sort of it really bugs me and"}, {"start": "01:53:59", "end": "01:54:04", "text": "finally we decide let's go. I said to"}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:06", "text": "her, I finally said to her, \"If it ever"}, {"start": "01:54:04", "end": "01:54:10", "text": "happens again, if I'm able to, I'll put"}, {"start": "01:54:06", "end": "01:54:12", "text": "a classified ad in the journal, New York"}, {"start": "01:54:10", "end": "01:54:14", "text": "Journal, or one of those papers that"}, {"start": "01:54:12", "end": "01:54:17", "text": "existed then.\" So, we decide to go up to"}, {"start": "01:54:14", "end": "01:54:19", "text": "the New York Public Library and look"}, {"start": "01:54:17", "end": "01:54:21", "text": "through the microfilm of all those old"}, {"start": "01:54:19", "end": "01:54:23", "text": "newspapers from the 19th late 19th"}, {"start": "01:54:21", "end": "01:54:27", "text": "century, which is what which is when it"}, {"start": "01:54:23", "end": "01:54:29", "text": "was. It was sometime in there. And we do"}, {"start": "01:54:27", "end": "01:54:31", "text": "that and we don't find any, oh, there's"}, {"start": "01:54:29", "end": "01:54:33", "text": "such so cute. There's all these"}, {"start": "01:54:31", "end": "01:54:37", "text": "classifides that say, \"Saw you on a"}, {"start": "01:54:33", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "Broadway stage, right? Such and such."}, {"start": "01:54:37", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "You smiled at me.\" And stuff and it's"}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:40", "text": "really wonderful."}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:43", "text": ">> Misconnections."}, {"start": "01:54:40", "end": "01:54:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. It's really cool. But we"}, {"start": "01:54:43", "end": "01:54:46", "text": "never see anything that says I am"}, {"start": "01:54:45", "end": "01:54:47", "text": "trapped in time or [laughter] anything"}, {"start": "01:54:46", "end": "01:54:48", "text": "like that."}, {"start": "01:54:47", "end": "01:54:53", "text": ">> Did you imagine?"}, {"start": "01:54:48", "end": "01:54:55", "text": ">> Yeah. So, uh, now fast forward to"}, {"start": "01:54:53", "end": "01:54:59", "text": "recently about three years ago. I'm"}, {"start": "01:54:55", "end": "01:55:03", "text": "there and I discover a sign on the"}, {"start": "01:54:59", "end": "01:55:05", "text": "little now big wild garden. Not the not"}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:08", "text": "ants garden, but this is a block away."}, {"start": "01:55:05", "end": "01:55:12", "text": "It's a a wild garden. It's purposely"}, {"start": "01:55:08", "end": "01:55:14", "text": "been wilded. And it is a garden where"}, {"start": "01:55:12", "end": "01:55:16", "text": "nothing is ever touched. And there's a"}, {"start": "01:55:14", "end": "01:55:18", "text": "sign on it. It called it's called the"}, {"start": "01:55:16", "end": "01:55:20", "text": "time garden."}, {"start": "01:55:18", "end": "01:55:21", "text": "And I think to myself, what is going on"}, {"start": "01:55:20", "end": "01:55:22", "text": "here?"}, {"start": "01:55:21", "end": "01:55:25", "text": ">> Ain't that time t i m e?"}, {"start": "01:55:22", "end": "01:55:26", "text": ">> Yeah. T i m e. Yeah. Because the idea"}, {"start": "01:55:25", "end": "01:55:28", "text": "being that, you know, nothing will be"}, {"start": "01:55:26", "end": "01:55:29", "text": "touched in here and so it'll be frozen"}, {"start": "01:55:28", "end": "01:55:29", "text": "in time."}, {"start": "01:55:29", "end": "01:55:32", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:55:29", "end": "01:55:36", "text": ">> isn't that cool? It's so wild. But then"}, {"start": "01:55:32", "end": "01:55:39", "text": "it gets even wilder when I'm talking"}, {"start": "01:55:36", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "about this maybe on Dreamland actually."}, {"start": "01:55:39", "end": "01:55:48", "text": "I'm I think it was on my show and uh I"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:51", "text": "someone writes me and say says, \"Do you"}, {"start": "01:55:48", "end": "01:55:53", "text": "know what was across the street from"}, {"start": "01:55:51", "end": "01:55:54", "text": "where that happened to you when it"}, {"start": "01:55:53", "end": "01:55:57", "text": "happened?"}, {"start": "01:55:54", "end": "01:55:59", "text": "It was Nicola Tesla's lab.\""}, {"start": "01:55:57", "end": "01:56:03", "text": "And I think to myself, what if that was"}, {"start": "01:55:59", "end": "01:56:05", "text": "Tesla standing there trying to figure"}, {"start": "01:56:03", "end": "01:56:06", "text": "try what if he was doing experiments"}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:07", "text": "with time in the past?"}, {"start": "01:56:06", "end": "01:56:09", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:56:07", "end": "01:56:11", "text": ">> Yeah. There's no record of him doing"}, {"start": "01:56:09", "end": "01:56:14", "text": "experiments with time, but his his lab"}, {"start": "01:56:11", "end": "01:56:14", "text": "was right in that immediate area. That"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:16", "text": "that is correct."}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:17", "text": ">> If anyone was able to time travel, it"}, {"start": "01:56:16", "end": "01:56:20", "text": "was that man."}, {"start": "01:56:17", "end": "01:56:22", "text": ">> Yeah. And maybe he drew me back in time"}, {"start": "01:56:20", "end": "01:56:23", "text": "and he was trying to contact me. Maybe"}, {"start": "01:56:22", "end": "01:56:23", "text": "that was what he was yelling."}, {"start": "01:56:23", "end": "01:56:24", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:56:23", "end": "01:56:26", "text": ">> Isn't that amazing?"}, {"start": "01:56:24", "end": "01:56:28", "text": ">> Yeah, it is very amazing. You hear about"}, {"start": "01:56:26", "end": "01:56:30", "text": "these time slips. I've been looking into"}, {"start": "01:56:28", "end": "01:56:31", "text": "them quite recently actually about"}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:32", "text": "especially in England. There seem to be"}, {"start": "01:56:31", "end": "01:56:34", "text": "a lot of them and I don't know if that's"}, {"start": "01:56:32", "end": "01:56:35", "text": "because there's more precedent in"}, {"start": "01:56:34", "end": "01:56:36", "text": "England with like, you know, history."}, {"start": "01:56:35", "end": "01:56:38", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:40", "text": ">> it's a very weird place. That's why."}, {"start": "01:56:38", "end": "01:56:42", "text": ">> Yeah. But there are people who report in"}, {"start": "01:56:40", "end": "01:56:45", "text": "the same area turning a corner and just"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:48", "text": "like you seeing carriages and seeing"}, {"start": "01:56:45", "end": "01:56:50", "text": ">> old shops and wondering what the heck is"}, {"start": "01:56:48", "end": "01:56:51", "text": "going on and as soon as they take a few"}, {"start": "01:56:50", "end": "01:56:53", "text": "steps, whoosh, it's back to normal."}, {"start": "01:56:51", "end": "01:56:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, that's what happened to me."}, {"start": "01:56:53", "end": "01:56:56", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:56:54", "end": "01:56:57", "text": ">> So, you know, we can conclude that that"}, {"start": "01:56:56", "end": "01:56:58", "text": "happens sometimes."}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:00", "text": ">> It feels like it does. Yeah. I'm"}, {"start": "01:56:58", "end": "01:57:03", "text": "genuinely interested about those things."}, {"start": "01:57:00", "end": "01:57:04", "text": "And man, what I wouldn't give to be able"}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:06", "text": "to explore one of those."}, {"start": "01:57:04", "end": "01:57:09", "text": ">> Yeah. But we all have our dreams. You"}, {"start": "01:57:06", "end": "01:57:12", "text": "know what I want to do? My dream is two"}, {"start": "01:57:09", "end": "01:57:15", "text": "things. Get out of my body on my own"}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:17", "text": "because it's I know it's possible and I"}, {"start": "01:57:15", "end": "01:57:20", "text": "would like to do it myself and go where"}, {"start": "01:57:17", "end": "01:57:23", "text": "I want to go and do what I want to do."}, {"start": "01:57:20", "end": "01:57:27", "text": "Number two, I know levitation is real"}, {"start": "01:57:23", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "and it is possible and I want to do"}, {"start": "01:57:27", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "that. You know, there's a great book uh"}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:37", "text": "called The Flu"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:41", "text": ">> by a Spanish writer Carlos er Carlos"}, {"start": "01:57:37", "end": "01:57:44", "text": "Nmire is his name and"}, {"start": "01:57:41", "end": "01:57:45", "text": "it's about all of the medieval"}, {"start": "01:57:44", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:57:45", "end": "01:57:47", "text": ">> levitation"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:50", "text": ">> levitation levitators"}, {"start": "01:57:47", "end": "01:57:52", "text": ">> and he never says they flew. He he"}, {"start": "01:57:50", "end": "01:57:55", "text": "that's the title but he never in the"}, {"start": "01:57:52", "end": "01:57:57", "text": "book anywhere does he claim that. He"}, {"start": "01:57:55", "end": "01:58:00", "text": "just lays out the facts. And the thing"}, {"start": "01:57:57", "end": "01:58:02", "text": "that's fascinating about it is not only"}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:05", "text": "were there thousands of witnesses to"}, {"start": "01:58:02", "end": "01:58:09", "text": "these events, they were studied by the"}, {"start": "01:58:05", "end": "01:58:12", "text": "Inquisition very carefully. And there"}, {"start": "01:58:09", "end": "01:58:15", "text": "are massive numbers of Inquisitorial"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:18", "text": "investigations into these levitations."}, {"start": "01:58:15", "end": "01:58:20", "text": "And the reason being that the"}, {"start": "01:58:18", "end": "01:58:23", "text": "Inquisition was interested because if"}, {"start": "01:58:20", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "they thought it was demons, then they"}, {"start": "01:58:23", "end": "01:58:29", "text": "had they they they were going to"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:31", "text": "definitely fire you up. [laughter] So So"}, {"start": "01:58:29", "end": "01:58:33", "text": "these people who flew,"}, {"start": "01:58:31", "end": "01:58:36", "text": ">> you didn't you didn't make a big deal of"}, {"start": "01:58:33", "end": "01:58:38", "text": "that. Advertise it. Exactly. Unless you"}, {"start": "01:58:36", "end": "01:58:40", "text": "were sure. And usually it was because"}, {"start": "01:58:38", "end": "01:58:43", "text": "other people saw it."}, {"start": "01:58:40", "end": "01:58:43", "text": ">> And like uh Joseph of Certino Yeah."}, {"start": "01:58:43", "end": "01:58:46", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:58:43", "end": "01:58:47", "text": ">> Was seen by even the pope,"}, {"start": "01:58:46", "end": "01:58:49", "text": ">> floating priest or what have you."}, {"start": "01:58:47", "end": "01:58:52", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, he levitated in front of the"}, {"start": "01:58:49", "end": "01:58:56", "text": "pope and in a room full of people and"}, {"start": "01:58:52", "end": "01:58:58", "text": "and the pope at that time said if he"}, {"start": "01:58:56", "end": "01:59:02", "text": "dies before I do, I am going to make him"}, {"start": "01:58:58", "end": "01:59:04", "text": "a saint and unfortunately that is it"}, {"start": "01:59:02", "end": "01:59:07", "text": "happened the opposite way. There's"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:12", "text": "another wonderful story about a lady"}, {"start": "01:59:07", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "called Mary of Agreeda uh when uh uh"}, {"start": "01:59:12", "end": "01:59:18", "text": "Diana Pulka talks about this and uh she"}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:20", "text": "was in a convent and she used to"}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:23", "text": "levitate"}, {"start": "01:59:20", "end": "01:59:25", "text": "and she was not conscious when she"}, {"start": "01:59:23", "end": "01:59:27", "text": ">> she billocated as well, didn't she?"}, {"start": "01:59:25", "end": "01:59:28", "text": ">> She billocated to New Mexico. That's"}, {"start": "01:59:27", "end": "01:59:29", "text": "right. Exactly."}, {"start": "01:59:28", "end": "01:59:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Across the ocean,"}, {"start": "01:59:29", "end": "01:59:36", "text": ">> right? But she also levitated and the"}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:38", "text": "other nuns took to"}, {"start": "01:59:36", "end": "01:59:40", "text": "moving her out. You could apparently you"}, {"start": "01:59:38", "end": "01:59:42", "text": "could literally blow on her and you know"}, {"start": "01:59:40", "end": "01:59:44", "text": "she'd got blow away like a balloon"}, {"start": "01:59:42", "end": "01:59:48", "text": "[laughter] in the like a helium balloon"}, {"start": "01:59:44", "end": "01:59:50", "text": "and uh she would uh they would get her"}, {"start": "01:59:48", "end": "01:59:53", "text": "out into the courtyard and people would"}, {"start": "01:59:50", "end": "01:59:55", "text": "pay to come in and blow her on her and"}, {"start": "01:59:53", "end": "01:59:57", "text": "move her around the courtyard. And when"}, {"start": "01:59:55", "end": "01:59:59", "text": "she found out about this, she was pissed"}, {"start": "01:59:57", "end": "02:00:02", "text": "off because, you know, she was being"}, {"start": "01:59:59", "end": "02:00:03", "text": "made a spectacle of and stuff. And she"}, {"start": "02:00:02", "end": "02:00:05", "text": "eventually was able to get God to stop"}, {"start": "02:00:03", "end": "02:00:08", "text": "her levitating. And most of them didn't"}, {"start": "02:00:05", "end": "02:00:09", "text": "want to levitate very much. I want to,"}, {"start": "02:00:08", "end": "02:00:10", "text": "though."}, {"start": "02:00:09", "end": "02:00:12", "text": ">> No, I would love to. As a magician, you"}, {"start": "02:00:10", "end": "02:00:14", "text": "know, I' I'm very familiar with"}, {"start": "02:00:12", "end": "02:00:16", "text": "techniques in the illusion of"}, {"start": "02:00:14", "end": "02:00:18", "text": "levitation, obviously. Yes."}, {"start": "02:00:16", "end": "02:00:20", "text": ">> And I've I've pretty much I know them"}, {"start": "02:00:18", "end": "02:00:23", "text": "all. You know, I've seen"}, {"start": "02:00:20", "end": "02:00:25", "text": "friends of mine create some of the most"}, {"start": "02:00:23", "end": "02:00:28", "text": "incredible moments of levitation that"}, {"start": "02:00:25", "end": "02:00:30", "text": "have ever been captured on video. And I"}, {"start": "02:00:28", "end": "02:00:32", "text": "know how it's done. You know, I think of"}, {"start": "02:00:30", "end": "02:00:36", "text": "Xavier Mortimer who in the middle of a"}, {"start": "02:00:32", "end": "02:00:39", "text": "park, right? No, nothing overhead, just"}, {"start": "02:00:36", "end": "02:00:41", "text": "levitates and has a jump rope and uses"}, {"start": "02:00:39", "end": "02:00:44", "text": "the jump rope as well. So now he's"}, {"start": "02:00:41", "end": "02:00:47", "text": "eliminating multiple methods here. And"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "uh still there is a method at play and"}, {"start": "02:00:47", "end": "02:00:54", "text": "there's trickery."}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:56", "text": "foot. But you know, um that's I I have a"}, {"start": "02:00:54", "end": "02:00:58", "text": "limitation for that stuff in my own mind"}, {"start": "02:00:56", "end": "02:01:01", "text": "because of my, you know, my my knowledge"}, {"start": "02:00:58", "end": "02:01:04", "text": "in deception. And"}, {"start": "02:01:01", "end": "02:01:06", "text": ">> I I know that the further I go back in"}, {"start": "02:01:04", "end": "02:01:08", "text": "time, the easier people are to fool as"}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:10", "text": "well, right? Um you know,"}, {"start": "02:01:08", "end": "02:01:13", "text": ">> I wonder if that's the case then. Could"}, {"start": "02:01:10", "end": "02:01:15", "text": "it be that these people were all fooling"}, {"start": "02:01:13", "end": "02:01:19", "text": "thousands of witnesses? It's it's not"}, {"start": "02:01:15", "end": "02:01:21", "text": "unlikely obviously is that you know"}, {"start": "02:01:19", "end": "02:01:23", "text": ">> well it's not impossible. It might be"}, {"start": "02:01:21", "end": "02:01:25", "text": "unlikely but it's the reason it might be"}, {"start": "02:01:23", "end": "02:01:26", "text": "unlikely is that the stakes are so high"}, {"start": "02:01:25", "end": "02:01:29", "text": "for them"}, {"start": "02:01:26", "end": "02:01:30", "text": ">> because they could get into terrible"}, {"start": "02:01:29", "end": "02:01:33", "text": "trouble with the Inquisition."}, {"start": "02:01:30", "end": "02:01:35", "text": ">> Yeah. Sure. I'm I'm I'm sure there is"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:38", "text": "definitely risk there and and cause not"}, {"start": "02:01:35", "end": "02:01:41", "text": "to divulge that or not to even, you"}, {"start": "02:01:38", "end": "02:01:43", "text": "know, um try and trick someone. But"}, {"start": "02:01:41", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "there probably is an equal and opposite"}, {"start": "02:01:43", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "reason to to want to do it, you know,"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:47", "text": "and"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:48", "text": ">> maybe we just were unaware of it."}, {"start": "02:01:47", "end": "02:01:51", "text": ">> I'd love to do it."}, {"start": "02:01:48", "end": "02:01:53", "text": ">> I would too. I would too."}, {"start": "02:01:51", "end": "02:01:56", "text": ">> One story I heard of from a man, a"}, {"start": "02:01:53", "end": "02:01:58", "text": "lovely guy called Paul Eno who has"}, {"start": "02:01:56", "end": "02:02:02", "text": "passed away. He was"}, {"start": "02:01:58", "end": "02:02:04", "text": "he got into this whole paranormal stuff"}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:09", "text": "and wrote some books and but before that"}, {"start": "02:02:04", "end": "02:02:14", "text": "he was a novice priest and he"}, {"start": "02:02:09", "end": "02:02:16", "text": "uh ended up as the assistant to the uh"}, {"start": "02:02:14", "end": "02:02:20", "text": "dasis and exorcist."}, {"start": "02:02:16", "end": "02:02:22", "text": "They were called to a"}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:25", "text": "mental institution in which there was a"}, {"start": "02:02:22", "end": "02:02:28", "text": "young 17-year-old girl. The family was"}, {"start": "02:02:25", "end": "02:02:30", "text": "desperate because she was"}, {"start": "02:02:28", "end": "02:02:33", "text": "diagnosed as schizophrenic and she was a"}, {"start": "02:02:30", "end": "02:02:35", "text": "drug addict as well and of course she"}, {"start": "02:02:33", "end": "02:02:37", "text": "was a young girl and they were desperate"}, {"start": "02:02:35", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "to get her"}, {"start": "02:02:37", "end": "02:02:45", "text": "well. And nothing was helping and so"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:47", "text": "they had asked the exor for the exorcist"}, {"start": "02:02:45", "end": "02:02:52", "text": "in hopes that by some miracle that would"}, {"start": "02:02:47", "end": "02:02:54", "text": "help. So the exorcist goes in to this"}, {"start": "02:02:52", "end": "02:02:56", "text": "room where the girl is sitting in a"}, {"start": "02:02:54", "end": "02:03:00", "text": "wheelchair."}, {"start": "02:02:56", "end": "02:03:02", "text": "Paul is with him. There's a psychiatrist"}, {"start": "02:03:00", "end": "02:03:04", "text": "uh and three"}, {"start": "02:03:02", "end": "02:03:05", "text": "uh uh assistants, three"}, {"start": "02:03:04", "end": "02:03:08", "text": ">> attendees."}, {"start": "02:03:05", "end": "02:03:10", "text": ">> Attendees. Yeah. In the room as well. So"}, {"start": "02:03:08", "end": "02:03:14", "text": "all these people are there. The exorcist"}, {"start": "02:03:10", "end": "02:03:17", "text": "is doing his thing. And suddenly, still"}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:20", "text": "in a sitting position, she rises up out"}, {"start": "02:03:17", "end": "02:03:21", "text": "of the chair and oh, there were two"}, {"start": "02:03:20", "end": "02:03:23", "text": "assistants, Paul and one other guy. Two,"}, {"start": "02:03:21", "end": "02:03:27", "text": "the exorcist had two assistants, Paul"}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:29", "text": "and another guy. And she's like floating"}, {"start": "02:03:27", "end": "02:03:31", "text": "in the air, still in a sitting position."}, {"start": "02:03:29", "end": "02:03:34", "text": "They all can see it. [snorts] And the"}, {"start": "02:03:31", "end": "02:03:36", "text": "exorcist simply says to Paul, \"Push her"}, {"start": "02:03:34", "end": "02:03:39", "text": "down into the chair.\""}, {"start": "02:03:36", "end": "02:03:41", "text": "And he pushes her down into the chair"}, {"start": "02:03:39", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "again. and he said, \"I could feel an"}, {"start": "02:03:41", "end": "02:03:46", "text": "energy, a sort of mild electricity"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:49", "text": "coming into my hand.\" And that's"}, {"start": "02:03:46", "end": "02:03:52", "text": "reported in a few of the cases in the"}, {"start": "02:03:49", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "medieval era as well. And I thought to"}, {"start": "02:03:52", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "myself often that if this is real, then"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:03", "text": "that feeling, that sense of electricity,"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:05", "text": "that whatever that is, is the key to a"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:08", "text": "lot of things that we don't understand."}, {"start": "02:04:05", "end": "02:04:10", "text": "And I went through many years, it's"}, {"start": "02:04:08", "end": "02:04:13", "text": "tailed off recently, of where I would"}, {"start": "02:04:10", "end": "02:04:17", "text": "feel that same electricity touching me"}, {"start": "02:04:13", "end": "02:04:21", "text": "in different places on my body. And when"}, {"start": "02:04:17", "end": "02:04:24", "text": "people were confronting found themselves"}, {"start": "02:04:21", "end": "02:04:26", "text": "face to face with the visitors at the"}, {"start": "02:04:24", "end": "02:04:27", "text": "cabin, if the visitors touched them,"}, {"start": "02:04:26", "end": "02:04:29", "text": "that electricity would go through their"}, {"start": "02:04:27", "end": "02:04:30", "text": "bodies."}, {"start": "02:04:29", "end": "02:04:32", "text": ">> Perhaps how they were able to levitate"}, {"start": "02:04:30", "end": "02:04:34", "text": "them through the walls and through"}, {"start": "02:04:32", "end": "02:04:37", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly. I think it's I think it's"}, {"start": "02:04:34", "end": "02:04:39", "text": "there's some there's an energy that we"}, {"start": "02:04:37", "end": "02:04:40", "text": "don't understand."}, {"start": "02:04:39", "end": "02:04:43", "text": ">> It's not magic."}, {"start": "02:04:40", "end": "02:04:45", "text": ">> It's real. It's not supernatural,"}, {"start": "02:04:43", "end": "02:04:46", "text": ">> but it feels that way because we don't"}, {"start": "02:04:45", "end": "02:04:48", "text": "understand it."}, {"start": "02:04:46", "end": "02:04:50", "text": ">> Yeah, I would I would have to concede to"}, {"start": "02:04:48", "end": "02:04:52", "text": "that as well because you know the amount"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:53", "text": "of cases that report these levitations"}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:55", "text": "and this technology, it's something"}, {"start": "02:04:53", "end": "02:04:57", "text": "obviously we don't understand. Probably"}, {"start": "02:04:55", "end": "02:04:58", "text": "something to do with electromagnet"}, {"start": "02:04:57", "end": "02:05:00", "text": "magnetic forces."}, {"start": "02:04:58", "end": "02:05:02", "text": ">> Exactly. or something akin to that that"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "that looks that way"}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:04", "text": ">> that feels"}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:06", "text": ">> behaves in the same manner but isn't"}, {"start": "02:05:04", "end": "02:05:07", "text": "quite gravity."}, {"start": "02:05:06", "end": "02:05:09", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "02:05:07", "end": "02:05:11", "text": ">> you know it's it's I think of it as an"}, {"start": "02:05:09", "end": "02:05:12", "text": "earth energy. It's something to do with"}, {"start": "02:05:11", "end": "02:05:17", "text": "the planet."}, {"start": "02:05:12", "end": "02:05:19", "text": ">> And there's a book, a very very strange"}, {"start": "02:05:17", "end": "02:05:22", "text": "novel called"}, {"start": "02:05:19", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "uh All in Everything: Bill Zabub's Tales"}, {"start": "02:05:22", "end": "02:05:34", "text": "to his grandson by a writer and a a uh a"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:39", "text": "seer, a a master really called Gagief."}, {"start": "02:05:34", "end": "02:05:41", "text": "um a he is from Armenia and he created"}, {"start": "02:05:39", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "this thing called the Gchief Foundation"}, {"start": "02:05:41", "end": "02:05:47", "text": "but the centerpiece of this book and"}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:49", "text": "it's a kind of dedactic novel it's"}, {"start": "02:05:47", "end": "02:05:50", "text": "almost unreadable by the way I've never"}, {"start": "02:05:49", "end": "02:05:53", "text": "read the whole thing and of course"}, {"start": "02:05:50", "end": "02:05:56", "text": "picked it up and read it in two weeks"}, {"start": "02:05:53", "end": "02:05:58", "text": "and I mean she's you take a look at this"}, {"start": "02:05:56", "end": "02:06:00", "text": "thing you'll understand when I say Anne"}, {"start": "02:05:58", "end": "02:06:02", "text": "was really smart that she could read"}, {"start": "02:06:00", "end": "02:06:06", "text": "that in two weeks and understand it"}, {"start": "02:06:02", "end": "02:06:10", "text": ">> anyway He has in it this thing these"}, {"start": "02:06:06", "end": "02:06:12", "text": "this demon or whatever it is uh creates"}, {"start": "02:06:10", "end": "02:06:16", "text": "something called the organ conduffer"}, {"start": "02:06:12", "end": "02:06:19", "text": "that severs us from this energy. It's"}, {"start": "02:06:16", "end": "02:06:22", "text": "condundalini buffer and we're severed"}, {"start": "02:06:19", "end": "02:06:25", "text": "from that energy. It's not we weren't"}, {"start": "02:06:22", "end": "02:06:28", "text": "always. And I think if you look into the"}, {"start": "02:06:25", "end": "02:06:31", "text": "past and you see these incredibly"}, {"start": "02:06:28", "end": "02:06:35", "text": "mysterious impossible ruins like the"}, {"start": "02:06:31", "end": "02:06:37", "text": "platform at Bbeck or the fantastic"}, {"start": "02:06:35", "end": "02:06:40", "text": "immensity"}, {"start": "02:06:37", "end": "02:06:43", "text": "of some of the and and and precision"}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:47", "text": "some so many different very ancient"}, {"start": "02:06:43", "end": "02:06:53", "text": "ruins around the world uh possess the"}, {"start": "02:06:47", "end": "02:06:55", "text": "pyramids, the Saka in Peru uh or the"}, {"start": "02:06:53", "end": "02:06:59", "text": "750,000"}, {"start": "02:06:55", "end": "02:07:02", "text": "basaltt logs that make up the artificial"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:05", "text": "islands of Nan Madal in the Carolina"}, {"start": "02:07:02", "end": "02:07:10", "text": "islands in the Pacific. We can't do any"}, {"start": "02:07:05", "end": "02:07:10", "text": "of that anymore. or Ed Lee Scalman who"}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:11", "text": "created"}, {"start": "02:07:10", "end": "02:07:15", "text": ">> Carl Castle."}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:20", "text": ">> Carl Castle somehow using techniques"}, {"start": "02:07:15", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "that he said he had learned in Lithuania"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "from and that they were ancient Egyptian"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "magic."}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:26", "text": ">> He said he mastered the uh the"}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:29", "text": "techniques of the ancient Egyptians."}, {"start": "02:07:26", "end": "02:07:33", "text": ">> Exactly. And all of that you put all of"}, {"start": "02:07:29", "end": "02:07:36", "text": "that together and you think to yourself,"}, {"start": "02:07:33", "end": "02:07:40", "text": "maybe chief was right. Maybe we lost"}, {"start": "02:07:36", "end": "02:07:43", "text": "something. Maybe what we really are is"}, {"start": "02:07:40", "end": "02:07:46", "text": "something we've forgotten and lost is"}, {"start": "02:07:43", "end": "02:07:48", "text": "we've been severed from that energy. And"}, {"start": "02:07:46", "end": "02:07:51", "text": "then you circle back to NHI and we were"}, {"start": "02:07:48", "end": "02:07:52", "text": "talking earlier. Are they good guys or"}, {"start": "02:07:51", "end": "02:07:55", "text": "bad guys?"}, {"start": "02:07:52", "end": "02:07:59", "text": ">> Are there beings here trying to exploit"}, {"start": "02:07:55", "end": "02:08:01", "text": "us because we've kind of gone blind?"}, {"start": "02:07:59", "end": "02:08:04", "text": ">> And are there other beings here trying"}, {"start": "02:08:01", "end": "02:08:06", "text": "to help us reconnect with this energy?"}, {"start": "02:08:04", "end": "02:08:09", "text": ">> Mhm. Maybe that's what it's all about."}, {"start": "02:08:06", "end": "02:08:11", "text": ">> Maybe or maybe uh yeah, maybe they want"}, {"start": "02:08:09", "end": "02:08:12", "text": "that severance for whatever personal"}, {"start": "02:08:11", "end": "02:08:14", "text": "gain."}, {"start": "02:08:12", "end": "02:08:17", "text": ">> Some some may want it and some may want"}, {"start": "02:08:14", "end": "02:08:20", "text": "to help us because it's too it's too"}, {"start": "02:08:17", "end": "02:08:22", "text": "mixed to bag to say it's good guys or"}, {"start": "02:08:20", "end": "02:08:25", "text": "bad guys. It's both."}, {"start": "02:08:22", "end": "02:08:27", "text": ">> Absolutely. And I think a lot of the"}, {"start": "02:08:25", "end": "02:08:28", "text": ">> you know I don't think there is a binary"}, {"start": "02:08:27", "end": "02:08:29", "text": "system to good and bad. I don't think"}, {"start": "02:08:28", "end": "02:08:31", "text": "there is I don't think there's such"}, {"start": "02:08:29", "end": "02:08:33", "text": "thing as good and bad. I think it's"}, {"start": "02:08:31", "end": "02:08:35", "text": ">> I'm I'm I'm a definite gray area and I"}, {"start": "02:08:33", "end": "02:08:37", "text": "think the grays are called the grays for"}, {"start": "02:08:35", "end": "02:08:39", "text": "a reason for a reason. Yeah, it's um"}, {"start": "02:08:37", "end": "02:08:40", "text": "well there are no opposites, just"}, {"start": "02:08:39", "end": "02:08:42", "text": "varying degrees of the same thing,"}, {"start": "02:08:40", "end": "02:08:44", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "02:08:42", "end": "02:08:46", "text": ">> Um okay, we have a question here from"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:49", "text": "Tess. Thank you, by the way, for all"}, {"start": "02:08:46", "end": "02:08:49", "text": "that. That was amazing."}, {"start": "02:08:56", "end": "02:09:01", "text": "Tess asks, \"You've discussed utilizing"}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:03", "text": "your implant as a research tool. What"}, {"start": "02:09:01", "end": "02:09:05", "text": "has been your most significant"}, {"start": "02:09:03", "end": "02:09:08", "text": "revelation?\""}, {"start": "02:09:05", "end": "02:09:08", "text": "Ah,"}, {"start": "02:09:13", "end": "02:09:18", "text": "you know that's that can't be answered"}, {"start": "02:09:15", "end": "02:09:21", "text": "as a simple answer that my most"}, {"start": "02:09:18", "end": "02:09:22", "text": "significant revelation was this."}, {"start": "02:09:21", "end": "02:09:25", "text": "the I think the most significant"}, {"start": "02:09:22", "end": "02:09:30", "text": "revelation was understanding how to use"}, {"start": "02:09:25", "end": "02:09:33", "text": "it, how to do that. And uh"}, {"start": "02:09:30", "end": "02:09:36", "text": "you know I wrote a book"}, {"start": "02:09:33", "end": "02:09:39", "text": "uh called In Hitler's House. I started"}, {"start": "02:09:36", "end": "02:09:41", "text": "it right after Annie passed away because"}, {"start": "02:09:39", "end": "02:09:43", "text": "I wasn't able to write anything in this"}, {"start": "02:09:41", "end": "02:09:45", "text": "subject and I and I'm interested in"}, {"start": "02:09:43", "end": "02:09:49", "text": "history and in you know World War II"}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:50", "text": "history in particular. It's one of my"}, {"start": "02:09:49", "end": "02:09:50", "text": "interests. Would you like my water by"}, {"start": "02:09:50", "end": "02:09:51", "text": "the way?"}, {"start": "02:09:50", "end": "02:09:53", "text": ">> Yeah, I would."}, {"start": "02:09:51", "end": "02:09:54", "text": ">> Here [laughter] you have mine. I'm"}, {"start": "02:09:53", "end": "02:09:57", "text": "drinking out of this thing anyways."}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:09:57", "text": ">> Okay. So,"}, {"start": "02:09:58", "end": "02:10:05", "text": "I learned to use the implant writing"}, {"start": "02:10:01", "end": "02:10:07", "text": "that book and I guess the s most"}, {"start": "02:10:05", "end": "02:10:12", "text": "significant revelation was"}, {"start": "02:10:07", "end": "02:10:15", "text": "learning how first after she passed away"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:18", "text": "I is when I begun to see the slit. All"}, {"start": "02:10:15", "end": "02:10:21", "text": "those years from 1989 until late 2015,"}, {"start": "02:10:18", "end": "02:10:26", "text": "it just was there. It didn't do"}, {"start": "02:10:21", "end": "02:10:28", "text": "anything. Then in 2013,"}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:32", "text": "2014, no, no, it was early 2015, excuse"}, {"start": "02:10:28", "end": "02:10:34", "text": "me. She begins to"}, {"start": "02:10:32", "end": "02:10:36", "text": "uh get me to memorize a certain poem"}, {"start": "02:10:34", "end": "02:10:38", "text": "called Song of the Wandering Angus,"}, {"start": "02:10:36", "end": "02:10:41", "text": "which has the lines in it when white"}, {"start": "02:10:38", "end": "02:10:44", "text": "moths were on the wing and the mothlike"}, {"start": "02:10:41", "end": "02:10:47", "text": "stars were flickering out. This leads to"}, {"start": "02:10:44", "end": "02:10:49", "text": "my realization through a whole sequence"}, {"start": "02:10:47", "end": "02:10:52", "text": "of events, including the fact that I"}, {"start": "02:10:49", "end": "02:10:54", "text": "realized that the the her favorite short"}, {"start": "02:10:52", "end": "02:10:58", "text": "story of mine was called the White"}, {"start": "02:10:54", "end": "02:11:00", "text": "Moths. And she this white moth starts"}, {"start": "02:10:58", "end": "02:11:03", "text": "appearing in front of the camera uh at"}, {"start": "02:11:00", "end": "02:11:05", "text": "at the house that she's created was"}, {"start": "02:11:03", "end": "02:11:07", "text": "creating an avatar for herself. The"}, {"start": "02:11:05", "end": "02:11:09", "text": "white moth is what that woman really"}, {"start": "02:11:07", "end": "02:11:11", "text": "was. I don't know, but she sure knew a"}, {"start": "02:11:09", "end": "02:11:12", "text": "lot about life and death. because I"}, {"start": "02:11:11", "end": "02:11:14", "text": "think she's the only person who's ever"}, {"start": "02:11:12", "end": "02:11:17", "text": "intentionally created an avatar for"}, {"start": "02:11:14", "end": "02:11:22", "text": "herself to to pres to show her presence"}, {"start": "02:11:17", "end": "02:11:22", "text": "in this world. Anyway,"}, {"start": "02:11:22", "end": "02:11:27", "text": "then at some point the slits opened up"}, {"start": "02:11:25", "end": "02:11:30", "text": "and words are racing through it and I'm"}, {"start": "02:11:27", "end": "02:11:32", "text": "trying to figure out what's going on. At"}, {"start": "02:11:30", "end": "02:11:35", "text": "one point it slows down and it says it's"}, {"start": "02:11:32", "end": "02:11:38", "text": "me an and the words start up again very"}, {"start": "02:11:35", "end": "02:11:40", "text": "fast. Eventually,"}, {"start": "02:11:38", "end": "02:11:45", "text": "and this is the most significant"}, {"start": "02:11:40", "end": "02:11:48", "text": "breakthrough, I find out if I take my"}, {"start": "02:11:45", "end": "02:11:53", "text": "mind, my thinking out of my head and"}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:54", "text": "just relax and let it let the words"}, {"start": "02:11:53", "end": "02:11:58", "text": "race,"}, {"start": "02:11:54", "end": "02:11:59", "text": "they will tell me what I need to know"}, {"start": "02:11:58", "end": "02:12:02", "text": "without"}, {"start": "02:11:59", "end": "02:12:05", "text": "my looking for it. So I'm writing this"}, {"start": "02:12:02", "end": "02:12:09", "text": "book and it's from the viewpoint of"}, {"start": "02:12:05", "end": "02:12:12", "text": "someone who was there with Hitler"}, {"start": "02:12:09", "end": "02:12:14", "text": "before and during the World War. So it's"}, {"start": "02:12:12", "end": "02:12:18", "text": "got to be the verilitude has to be"}, {"start": "02:12:14", "end": "02:12:19", "text": "perfect. You know, it's not just, you"}, {"start": "02:12:18", "end": "02:12:23", "text": "know, a historical novel. You got to"}, {"start": "02:12:19", "end": "02:12:25", "text": "know what kind of what kind of suits"}, {"start": "02:12:23", "end": "02:12:28", "text": "they wore, what kind of things they ate,"}, {"start": "02:12:25", "end": "02:12:30", "text": "what kind of pens they used, what their"}, {"start": "02:12:28", "end": "02:12:33", "text": "bed lining bill felt like, how they what"}, {"start": "02:12:30", "end": "02:12:35", "text": "they bathed with, all of that what what"}, {"start": "02:12:33", "end": "02:12:39", "text": "kind of toothpaste they used. All of"}, {"start": "02:12:35", "end": "02:12:42", "text": "that stuff and all of those details keep"}, {"start": "02:12:39", "end": "02:12:47", "text": "dropping into my head. Some of them just"}, {"start": "02:12:42", "end": "02:12:50", "text": "drop into it. Some of sometimes I am"}, {"start": "02:12:47", "end": "02:12:52", "text": "given an idea of how to Google it."}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:54", "text": "Sometimes"}, {"start": "02:12:52", "end": "02:12:58", "text": "I just have to let a certain question go"}, {"start": "02:12:54", "end": "02:13:00", "text": "like I needed something some details"}, {"start": "02:12:58", "end": "02:13:02", "text": "about Hitler's personal life like it"}, {"start": "02:13:00", "end": "02:13:04", "text": "what he you know how often did he brush"}, {"start": "02:13:02", "end": "02:13:11", "text": "his teeth? Where did he sleep? What was"}, {"start": "02:13:04", "end": "02:13:13", "text": "it like? Uh what did he eat? And"}, {"start": "02:13:11", "end": "02:13:17", "text": "somehow or another I end up on the"}, {"start": "02:13:13", "end": "02:13:22", "text": "German language Google. I don't know how"}, {"start": "02:13:17", "end": "02:13:26", "text": "I got there suddenly and I get it Google"}, {"start": "02:13:22", "end": "02:13:29", "text": "translate the page and in it is a p on"}, {"start": "02:13:26", "end": "02:13:33", "text": "the page that I'm on is a story about a"}, {"start": "02:13:29", "end": "02:13:35", "text": "a uh one of Hitler's valet who's who"}, {"start": "02:13:33", "end": "02:13:38", "text": "wrote a book about him about his"}, {"start": "02:13:35", "end": "02:13:42", "text": "experiences Hitler's valet. So, I go on"}, {"start": "02:13:38", "end": "02:13:43", "text": "the German Amazon and I find the book."}, {"start": "02:13:42", "end": "02:13:47", "text": "It's in German. It's never been"}, {"start": "02:13:43", "end": "02:13:50", "text": "translated into English. I buy it. It"}, {"start": "02:13:47", "end": "02:13:52", "text": "comes couple weeks later. And I'm"}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:56", "text": "looking at it and I think, \"This is"}, {"start": "02:13:52", "end": "02:13:59", "text": "gold, but I don't I can't read German.\""}, {"start": "02:13:56", "end": "02:14:01", "text": "And I mention it at a group of f with a"}, {"start": "02:13:59", "end": "02:14:04", "text": "group of friends. And one of the people"}, {"start": "02:14:01", "end": "02:14:06", "text": "says, \"Oh, I'm from Germany. I speak"}, {"start": "02:14:04", "end": "02:14:07", "text": "German. I'll read it. I'll translate it"}, {"start": "02:14:06", "end": "02:14:10", "text": "for you."}, {"start": "02:14:07", "end": "02:14:12", "text": "And so I get every detail about Hitler's"}, {"start": "02:14:10", "end": "02:14:15", "text": "brand of toothpaste and everything."}, {"start": "02:14:12", "end": "02:14:19", "text": "That's how that's how the implant works."}, {"start": "02:14:15", "end": "02:14:22", "text": "It's not like it it does not tell me"}, {"start": "02:14:19", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "I've asked it for things like uh"}, {"start": "02:14:22", "end": "02:14:26", "text": "anti-gravity and sure"}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:29", "text": ">> physics stuff and so forth. and it will"}, {"start": "02:14:26", "end": "02:14:33", "text": "extrapolate from things I already know"}, {"start": "02:14:29", "end": "02:14:36", "text": "or or or or push me in right directions,"}, {"start": "02:14:33", "end": "02:14:38", "text": "but it won't give me original ideas that"}, {"start": "02:14:36", "end": "02:14:40", "text": "I don't already have some connection to."}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:43", "text": ">> It's almost like a synchronicity engine."}, {"start": "02:14:40", "end": "02:14:45", "text": ">> Yeah, that would be that it's one level"}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:45", "text": "of it is definitely that."}, {"start": "02:14:45", "end": "02:14:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Wow."}, {"start": "02:14:45", "end": "02:14:50", "text": ">> It's very cool to use. The other the"}, {"start": "02:14:48", "end": "02:14:52", "text": "other thing is like in this"}, {"start": "02:14:50", "end": "02:14:54", "text": ">> it's on now and in this"}, {"start": "02:14:52", "end": "02:14:56", "text": ">> conversation you notice I've never"}, {"start": "02:14:54", "end": "02:14:58", "text": ">> lost a name or anything like that as"}, {"start": "02:14:56", "end": "02:15:01", "text": "we've gone through the conversation"}, {"start": "02:14:58", "end": "02:15:03", "text": "because the implant like I don't I I not"}, {"start": "02:15:01", "end": "02:15:05", "text": "necessarily name remember the name of"}, {"start": "02:15:03", "end": "02:15:07", "text": "Robert Sarbacher when we're not talking"}, {"start": "02:15:05", "end": "02:15:09", "text": "when the implant's not on but when it is"}, {"start": "02:15:07", "end": "02:15:11", "text": "on no problem."}, {"start": "02:15:09", "end": "02:15:13", "text": "Do you often make sure it is on before"}, {"start": "02:15:11", "end": "02:15:14", "text": "uh is there any way of engaging it?"}, {"start": "02:15:13", "end": "02:15:16", "text": ">> Uh yeah"}, {"start": "02:15:14", "end": "02:15:17", "text": ">> to go on and off or does it turn on when"}, {"start": "02:15:16", "end": "02:15:20", "text": "you're about to go on?"}, {"start": "02:15:17", "end": "02:15:22", "text": ">> Oh no, it'll it if if it it's something"}, {"start": "02:15:20", "end": "02:15:24", "text": "that the implant considers important,"}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:26", "text": "whoever's on the other side of it, it"}, {"start": "02:15:24", "end": "02:15:29", "text": "it'll turn on like the morning before."}, {"start": "02:15:26", "end": "02:15:32", "text": "It turned on today early and then when"}, {"start": "02:15:29", "end": "02:15:34", "text": "you you called me up and told me we were"}, {"start": "02:15:32", "end": "02:15:36", "text": "going to be starting late, it turned off"}, {"start": "02:15:34", "end": "02:15:38", "text": ">> and I thought, \"Oh god, now if it"}, {"start": "02:15:36", "end": "02:15:39", "text": "doesn't turn on again, what'll I do?"}, {"start": "02:15:38", "end": "02:15:41", "text": "I'll be an idiot in there."}, {"start": "02:15:39", "end": "02:15:42", "text": ">> Well, I'm flattered. I'm flattered."}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:44", "text": ">> No, it turned back on again while we"}, {"start": "02:15:42", "end": "02:15:46", "text": "were riding in the car. And I can feel"}, {"start": "02:15:44", "end": "02:15:47", "text": "it when it turns on. It gets hot."}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:49", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:15:47", "end": "02:15:51", "text": ">> And then it at once, you know, there was"}, {"start": "02:15:49", "end": "02:15:53", "text": "a wonderful guy at Southwest Research"}, {"start": "02:15:51", "end": "02:15:58", "text": "called Bill Malow. He was the head of"}, {"start": "02:15:53", "end": "02:16:01", "text": "material science. And he was the one who"}, {"start": "02:15:58", "end": "02:16:02", "text": "did the implant research that Roger Lear"}, {"start": "02:16:01", "end": "02:16:04", "text": "did there."}, {"start": "02:16:02", "end": "02:16:06", "text": ">> He wasn't allowed to put anything on"}, {"start": "02:16:04", "end": "02:16:07", "text": "Southwest Research stationary, but he"}, {"start": "02:16:06", "end": "02:16:09", "text": "didn't care. He was he was one of the"}, {"start": "02:16:07", "end": "02:16:13", "text": "founders of it and so he did what he"}, {"start": "02:16:09", "end": "02:16:16", "text": "wanted and um uh the implant once turned"}, {"start": "02:16:13", "end": "02:16:18", "text": "on in his office. We were we were"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:20", "text": "talking about it. I was telling him"}, {"start": "02:16:18", "end": "02:16:22", "text": "about it and telling him the story and"}, {"start": "02:16:20", "end": "02:16:23", "text": "he said, \"My god, your ear is bright"}, {"start": "02:16:22", "end": "02:16:24", "text": "red.\""}, {"start": "02:16:23", "end": "02:16:28", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:16:24", "end": "02:16:30", "text": ">> And I felt it was hot and I said, \"It's"}, {"start": "02:16:28", "end": "02:16:32", "text": "turned on, Bill.\" He said, \"Let's go to"}, {"start": "02:16:30", "end": "02:16:35", "text": "the signals lab right now.\" And we ran"}, {"start": "02:16:32", "end": "02:16:38", "text": "across the campus to the signals lab."}, {"start": "02:16:35", "end": "02:16:40", "text": "And so I sat in the signals lab and"}, {"start": "02:16:38", "end": "02:16:44", "text": "these two guys were in there and they"}, {"start": "02:16:40", "end": "02:16:47", "text": "were working uh trying to acquire a"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:48", "text": "signal. And after a while they said they"}, {"start": "02:16:47", "end": "02:16:52", "text": "were finished."}, {"start": "02:16:48", "end": "02:16:55", "text": "And I said to Bill, \"Well, did can you"}, {"start": "02:16:52", "end": "02:16:58", "text": "find out from them what they found, if"}, {"start": "02:16:55", "end": "02:17:01", "text": "anything?\" He said, \"No, I can't because"}, {"start": "02:16:58", "end": "02:17:04", "text": "the lab's classified.\""}, {"start": "02:17:01", "end": "02:17:05", "text": "I thought, \"This is fairly annoying, but"}, {"start": "02:17:04", "end": "02:17:06", "text": "you know, what could I do?\""}, {"start": "02:17:05", "end": "02:17:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:17:06", "end": "02:17:11", "text": ">> 20 years pass. I'm signing books at the"}, {"start": "02:17:09", "end": "02:17:17", "text": "book festival in San Antonio,"}, {"start": "02:17:11", "end": "02:17:19", "text": "and two guys walk up to me and they say,"}, {"start": "02:17:17", "end": "02:17:23", "text": "\"We just want you to know that the"}, {"start": "02:17:19", "end": "02:17:26", "text": "signal that was found coming from your"}, {"start": "02:17:23", "end": "02:17:29", "text": "implant is under study to this day. It"}, {"start": "02:17:26", "end": "02:17:31", "text": "is one of the strangest and most complex"}, {"start": "02:17:29", "end": "02:17:33", "text": "signals that we have ever discovered."}, {"start": "02:17:31", "end": "02:17:35", "text": "And then they turn around and walk out."}, {"start": "02:17:33", "end": "02:17:37", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:17:35", "end": "02:17:38", "text": ">> I think that's so cool. I love it."}, {"start": "02:17:37", "end": "02:17:39", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, it's"}, {"start": "02:17:38", "end": "02:17:40", "text": ">> Yeah, it's fabulous. I"}, {"start": "02:17:39", "end": "02:17:43", "text": ">> I would love a follow-up."}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:48", "text": ">> Listen, I have to tell you this. One of"}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:48", "text": "the great frustrations is why just me?"}, {"start": "02:17:48", "end": "02:17:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:17:48", "end": "02:17:55", "text": ">> Why some horror novelist who's smart"}, {"start": "02:17:52", "end": "02:18:00", "text": "enough, but I'm not Stephen Hawking?"}, {"start": "02:17:55", "end": "02:18:03", "text": ">> Mhm. are or any of those guys. Why don't"}, {"start": "02:18:00", "end": "02:18:05", "text": "they get them? Why don't our best minds"}, {"start": "02:18:03", "end": "02:18:07", "text": "get them? Not just me."}, {"start": "02:18:05", "end": "02:18:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Who says they don't have them,"}, {"start": "02:18:07", "end": "02:18:09", "text": "though?"}, {"start": "02:18:07", "end": "02:18:10", "text": ">> Well, yeah, that's true. I I that I"}, {"start": "02:18:09", "end": "02:18:11", "text": "hadn't thought of that."}, {"start": "02:18:10", "end": "02:18:12", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:18:11", "end": "02:18:13", "text": ">> Maybe they don't even know they have"}, {"start": "02:18:12", "end": "02:18:14", "text": "them, right?"}, {"start": "02:18:13", "end": "02:18:15", "text": ">> Maybe they're geniuses because they have"}, {"start": "02:18:14", "end": "02:18:17", "text": "them."}, {"start": "02:18:15", "end": "02:18:18", "text": ">> Yeah. Attended ones."}, {"start": "02:18:17", "end": "02:18:21", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:18:18", "end": "02:18:26", "text": ">> Got one more here."}, {"start": "02:18:21", "end": "02:18:26", "text": "This is this is one I think that uh"}, {"start": "02:18:27", "end": "02:18:32", "text": "might be on a lot of people's minds as"}, {"start": "02:18:29", "end": "02:18:35", "text": "we move closer to next year."}, {"start": "02:18:32", "end": "02:18:38", "text": ">> Do you believe the threat of a major"}, {"start": "02:18:35", "end": "02:18:39", "text": "coronal mass ejection is still active by"}, {"start": "02:18:38", "end": "02:18:42", "text": "Alan Barker?"}, {"start": "02:18:39", "end": "02:18:44", "text": ">> Absolutely. Yeah, there is definitely a"}, {"start": "02:18:42", "end": "02:18:50", "text": "threat of a major coronal mass ejection."}, {"start": "02:18:44", "end": "02:18:54", "text": "Uh, our star is a yellow dwarf"}, {"start": "02:18:50", "end": "02:18:56", "text": "and they do have a bad habit of bursting"}, {"start": "02:18:54", "end": "02:18:59", "text": "out with these big burps every once in a"}, {"start": "02:18:56", "end": "02:19:01", "text": "while. We have had our star has"}, {"start": "02:18:59", "end": "02:19:03", "text": "you find in the geological record"}, {"start": "02:19:01", "end": "02:19:08", "text": "evidence of much bigger coronal mass"}, {"start": "02:19:03", "end": "02:19:10", "text": "ejections than the the uh Carrington uh"}, {"start": "02:19:08", "end": "02:19:13", "text": "event of 1853."}, {"start": "02:19:10", "end": "02:19:16", "text": "Um, see that popped in. You notice a"}, {"start": "02:19:13", "end": "02:19:18", "text": "little stop in my voice? That was the"}, {"start": "02:19:16", "end": "02:19:24", "text": "implant giving me the information, the"}, {"start": "02:19:18", "end": "02:19:27", "text": "dates. Um, and uh, so we are always at"}, {"start": "02:19:24", "end": "02:19:30", "text": "risk of that. And the fact that the sun"}, {"start": "02:19:27", "end": "02:19:33", "text": "has been acting strangely for the past"}, {"start": "02:19:30", "end": "02:19:36", "text": "few years now is, I think, a warning"}, {"start": "02:19:33", "end": "02:19:39", "text": "sign. I wrote a little book years ago"}, {"start": "02:19:36", "end": "02:19:43", "text": "called Solar Flares. It's still actually"}, {"start": "02:19:39", "end": "02:19:45", "text": "available online uh on um as a it's a it"}, {"start": "02:19:43", "end": "02:19:47", "text": "was an ebook and it sold like four"}, {"start": "02:19:45", "end": "02:19:49", "text": "copies cuz in a time when ebooks were"}, {"start": "02:19:47", "end": "02:19:53", "text": "very new but it's still sitting there"}, {"start": "02:19:49", "end": "02:19:56", "text": "somewhere and it's a it shows it goes"}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:19:59", "text": "into detail about what could happen and"}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:20:03", "text": "it could be catastrophic beyond belief."}, {"start": "02:19:59", "end": "02:20:05", "text": "We could be in a situation where we lose"}, {"start": "02:20:03", "end": "02:20:07", "text": "well first we we necessarily lose the"}, {"start": "02:20:05", "end": "02:20:10", "text": "internet but we we'd lose satellites"}, {"start": "02:20:07", "end": "02:20:13", "text": "because the internet has been hardened"}, {"start": "02:20:10", "end": "02:20:18", "text": "against this. What we the most serious"}, {"start": "02:20:13", "end": "02:20:21", "text": "loss would be uh power because there are"}, {"start": "02:20:18", "end": "02:20:24", "text": "these huge transformers"}, {"start": "02:20:21", "end": "02:20:26", "text": "that we don't have replacements for or"}, {"start": "02:20:24", "end": "02:20:30", "text": "we have a few replacements but if they"}, {"start": "02:20:26", "end": "02:20:34", "text": "all blew like in the United States we"}, {"start": "02:20:30", "end": "02:20:37", "text": "would be with no power for years"}, {"start": "02:20:34", "end": "02:20:40", "text": "and if you look at the what that would"}, {"start": "02:20:37", "end": "02:20:42", "text": "do it causes a decline in the population"}, {"start": "02:20:40", "end": "02:20:46", "text": "of massive proportions. ions. So, it's"}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:48", "text": "an extremely dangerous situation. And of"}, {"start": "02:20:46", "end": "02:20:50", "text": "course, most of the power companies are"}, {"start": "02:20:48", "end": "02:20:55", "text": "they're interested in, you know, the the"}, {"start": "02:20:50", "end": "02:20:58", "text": "the fatal threemonth measurement in in"}, {"start": "02:20:55", "end": "02:21:02", "text": "in in capitalism, which is management"}, {"start": "02:20:58", "end": "02:21:04", "text": "cares about the next finance report 3"}, {"start": "02:21:02", "end": "02:21:06", "text": "months from now. They do not care about"}, {"start": "02:21:04", "end": "02:21:08", "text": "the company 5 years from now or the"}, {"start": "02:21:06", "end": "02:21:11", "text": "world 10 years from now or anything like"}, {"start": "02:21:08", "end": "02:21:14", "text": "that. That's why when you have these all"}, {"start": "02:21:11", "end": "02:21:15", "text": "these fires and and it always turn half"}, {"start": "02:21:14", "end": "02:21:18", "text": "the time it turns out or more than half"}, {"start": "02:21:15", "end": "02:21:22", "text": "the time to have been power lines that"}, {"start": "02:21:18", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "they did not prepare for winds and and"}, {"start": "02:21:22", "end": "02:21:26", "text": "they spark and they cause these huge"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:29", "text": "fires because they didn't want to spend"}, {"start": "02:21:26", "end": "02:21:32", "text": "the money. You know, every company is"}, {"start": "02:21:29", "end": "02:21:35", "text": "pennywise and pound foolish except the"}, {"start": "02:21:32", "end": "02:21:36", "text": "most forward-looking ones. And you a"}, {"start": "02:21:35", "end": "02:21:38", "text": "power company is almost always going to"}, {"start": "02:21:36", "end": "02:21:41", "text": "be pennywise and pound pound foolish. So"}, {"start": "02:21:38", "end": "02:21:43", "text": "they have not built enough backup"}, {"start": "02:21:41", "end": "02:21:45", "text": "transformers nor have they created a"}, {"start": "02:21:43", "end": "02:21:46", "text": "situation where they can be easily"}, {"start": "02:21:45", "end": "02:21:49", "text": "reconnected."}, {"start": "02:21:46", "end": "02:21:52", "text": ">> Other countries have much better"}, {"start": "02:21:49", "end": "02:21:53", "text": "hardening. The UK and the EU do."}, {"start": "02:21:52", "end": "02:21:56", "text": ">> China probably."}, {"start": "02:21:53", "end": "02:22:00", "text": ">> I don't know about China. I I I I"}, {"start": "02:21:56", "end": "02:22:02", "text": "logically yes, but we're going to be"}, {"start": "02:22:00", "end": "02:22:05", "text": "devastated almost certainly."}, {"start": "02:22:02", "end": "02:22:07", "text": ">> Do you think there is some mass event"}, {"start": "02:22:05", "end": "02:22:10", "text": "that will occur next year? You know,"}, {"start": "02:22:07", "end": "02:22:14", "text": "there's a lot of talk about 2027. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:22:10", "end": "02:22:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, supposedly John Ramirez, the"}, {"start": "02:22:14", "end": "02:22:17", "text": "CIA guy, said something about that."}, {"start": "02:22:15", "end": "02:22:18", "text": ">> He was a proponent of it, but also I had"}, {"start": "02:22:17", "end": "02:22:20", "text": "him on here and I asked him about it and"}, {"start": "02:22:18", "end": "02:22:20", "text": "he said, \"No, I just repeated what"}, {"start": "02:22:20", "end": "02:22:22", "text": "someone else said.\""}, {"start": "02:22:20", "end": "02:22:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. That's what he told me on my"}, {"start": "02:22:22", "end": "02:22:22", "text": "show, too."}, {"start": "02:22:22", "end": "02:22:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:22:22", "end": "02:22:27", "text": ">> Yeah. So, he Yeah. But who said it? I"}, {"start": "02:22:25", "end": "02:22:29", "text": "mean, if you look back, you can't find"}, {"start": "02:22:27", "end": "02:22:31", "text": "out exact where it started. It's one of"}, {"start": "02:22:29", "end": "02:22:32", "text": "those things that sort of bubbled up."}, {"start": "02:22:31", "end": "02:22:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:22:32", "end": "02:22:36", "text": ">> Uh, but it seems to be timely as well."}, {"start": "02:22:34", "end": "02:22:37", "text": "If you look at the critical mass of all"}, {"start": "02:22:36", "end": "02:22:41", "text": "of these different,"}, {"start": "02:22:37", "end": "02:22:43", "text": ">> you know, things, whether it's AI, UAP,"}, {"start": "02:22:41", "end": "02:22:44", "text": "financial instability, uh, you know,"}, {"start": "02:22:43", "end": "02:22:46", "text": ">> oh, listen,"}, {"start": "02:22:44", "end": "02:22:48", "text": ">> environmental collapse, all this stuff."}, {"start": "02:22:46", "end": "02:22:48", "text": ">> The the private credit crunch"}, {"start": "02:22:48", "end": "02:22:51", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:22:48", "end": "02:22:53", "text": ">> is a major financial problem that's"}, {"start": "02:22:51", "end": "02:22:54", "text": "going to be coming our way very soon."}, {"start": "02:22:53", "end": "02:22:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:22:54", "end": "02:23:03", "text": ">> And that that that is definitely an"}, {"start": "02:22:57", "end": "02:23:05", "text": "issue. But the other thing is that uh"}, {"start": "02:23:03", "end": "02:23:08", "text": "when you"}, {"start": "02:23:05", "end": "02:23:12", "text": "think about the possibilities that of"}, {"start": "02:23:08", "end": "02:23:14", "text": "you know speaking of critical mass, what"}, {"start": "02:23:12", "end": "02:23:15", "text": "if the critical mass is what we talked"}, {"start": "02:23:14", "end": "02:23:16", "text": "about a little bit earlier?"}, {"start": "02:23:15", "end": "02:23:20", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:23:16", "end": "02:23:23", "text": ">> Of us in our minds becoming so convinced"}, {"start": "02:23:20", "end": "02:23:25", "text": "that the aliens are real that they come"}, {"start": "02:23:23", "end": "02:23:27", "text": "in through the door of the mind from"}, {"start": "02:23:25", "end": "02:23:29", "text": "another dimension. and that happens in"}, {"start": "02:23:27", "end": "02:23:30", "text": "2027, it would be about the right time,"}, {"start": "02:23:29", "end": "02:23:33", "text": "wouldn't it?"}, {"start": "02:23:30", "end": "02:23:34", "text": ">> And probably far better than some of the"}, {"start": "02:23:33", "end": "02:23:37", "text": "alternatives that we're currently"}, {"start": "02:23:34", "end": "02:23:37", "text": "facing, including nuclear destruction."}, {"start": "02:23:37", "end": "02:23:40", "text": "[laughter]"}, {"start": "02:23:37", "end": "02:23:41", "text": ">> Well, yeah. Now, that's another possib"}, {"start": "02:23:40", "end": "02:23:45", "text": "thing. You know, one of the things that"}, {"start": "02:23:41", "end": "02:23:46", "text": "I never ever talk predictions, but I do"}, {"start": "02:23:45", "end": "02:23:49", "text": "get things. Mhm."}, {"start": "02:23:46", "end": "02:23:51", "text": ">> And we're far enough along into this one"}, {"start": "02:23:49", "end": "02:23:55", "text": "that I feel comfortable talking about it"}, {"start": "02:23:51", "end": "02:23:58", "text": "that now it's about 9 months ago, maybe"}, {"start": "02:23:55", "end": "02:24:00", "text": "8 n maybe 10 months ago, I received"}, {"start": "02:23:58", "end": "02:24:03", "text": "during one of the 3:00 a.m."}, {"start": "02:24:00", "end": "02:24:06", "text": "conversations in the implant that there"}, {"start": "02:24:03", "end": "02:24:10", "text": "was a significant danger that a war with"}, {"start": "02:24:06", "end": "02:24:13", "text": "Iran would evolve into a nuclear"}, {"start": "02:24:10", "end": "02:24:16", "text": "conflict worldwide."}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:19", "text": "Not because anyone wanted it to, but"}, {"start": "02:24:16", "end": "02:24:22", "text": "because it would happen like World War I"}, {"start": "02:24:19", "end": "02:24:25", "text": "happened where they they couldn't stop"}, {"start": "02:24:22", "end": "02:24:28", "text": "going to war once they started."}, {"start": "02:24:25", "end": "02:24:30", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "02:24:28", "end": "02:24:34", "text": "now we've gone to war with Iran. We're"}, {"start": "02:24:30", "end": "02:24:37", "text": "at war with Iran. And I I don't see the"}, {"start": "02:24:34", "end": "02:24:40", "text": "I don't see how that would happen. In"}, {"start": "02:24:37", "end": "02:24:43", "text": "other words, I thought of it at the time"}, {"start": "02:24:40", "end": "02:24:45", "text": "as more a warning than a prediction. And"}, {"start": "02:24:43", "end": "02:24:47", "text": "I think that may have been what it is."}, {"start": "02:24:45", "end": "02:24:52", "text": "But right now, I don't see the how the"}, {"start": "02:24:47", "end": "02:24:54", "text": "war in Iran uh could possibly end in a"}, {"start": "02:24:52", "end": "02:24:57", "text": "nuclear conflict, a worldwide nuclear"}, {"start": "02:24:54", "end": "02:24:59", "text": "conflict. But then again, on August the"}, {"start": "02:24:57", "end": "02:25:02", "text": "1st,"}, {"start": "02:24:59", "end": "02:25:03", "text": "20 uh 1914,"}, {"start": "02:25:02", "end": "02:25:06", "text": "everyone thought, well, there's some"}, {"start": "02:25:03", "end": "02:25:08", "text": "trouble in the Balkans. On September the"}, {"start": "02:25:06", "end": "02:25:11", "text": "1st, the entire world was unexpectedly"}, {"start": "02:25:08", "end": "02:25:13", "text": "at war."}, {"start": "02:25:11", "end": "02:25:14", "text": ">> Yep. [laughter]"}, {"start": "02:25:13", "end": "02:25:15", "text": ">> Yeah. What else can you say?"}, {"start": "02:25:14", "end": "02:25:18", "text": ">> The quickening,"}, {"start": "02:25:15", "end": "02:25:20", "text": ">> right? Um Whitley, it's been an absolute"}, {"start": "02:25:18", "end": "02:25:23", "text": "pleasure once again discussing all of"}, {"start": "02:25:20", "end": "02:25:26", "text": "this with you. Whether it's, you know,"}, {"start": "02:25:23", "end": "02:25:27", "text": "the visitors, whether it's time travel"}, {"start": "02:25:26", "end": "02:25:29", "text": "or whether it's the fate of the world,"}, {"start": "02:25:27", "end": "02:25:30", "text": "it always seems like we're having an"}, {"start": "02:25:29", "end": "02:25:32", "text": "interesting conversation. So, I"}, {"start": "02:25:30", "end": "02:25:34", "text": "appreciate your time and I appreciate"}, {"start": "02:25:32", "end": "02:25:36", "text": "you coming out here and discussing this"}, {"start": "02:25:34", "end": "02:25:38", "text": "with me. Um, is there anything you'd"}, {"start": "02:25:36", "end": "02:25:40", "text": "like to leave my audience with? Is there"}, {"start": "02:25:38", "end": "02:25:42", "text": "anywhere you'd like to any direction"}, {"start": "02:25:40", "end": "02:25:42", "text": "you'd like to point them to? Just feel"}, {"start": "02:25:42", "end": "02:25:45", "text": "free to do that."}, {"start": "02:25:42", "end": "02:25:49", "text": ">> Sure. Okay. Now is my chance to do that."}, {"start": "02:25:45", "end": "02:25:53", "text": "Okay. I wrote Transformation 2026"}, {"start": "02:25:49", "end": "02:25:57", "text": "in order so that people could"}, {"start": "02:25:53", "end": "02:26:01", "text": "see how it was when the grace came into"}, {"start": "02:25:57", "end": "02:26:03", "text": "the life of a family. We lived it. It"}, {"start": "02:26:01", "end": "02:26:06", "text": "was"}, {"start": "02:26:03", "end": "02:26:09", "text": "not impossible at all. It was quite"}, {"start": "02:26:06", "end": "02:26:11", "text": "wonderful in many respects and"}, {"start": "02:26:09", "end": "02:26:13", "text": "incredibly cool. We had some of the best"}, {"start": "02:26:11", "end": "02:26:14", "text": "house parties you could imagine because"}, {"start": "02:26:13", "end": "02:26:16", "text": "we could actually say to people, \"Well,"}, {"start": "02:26:14", "end": "02:26:18", "text": "you want to meet aliens? Come on up to"}, {"start": "02:26:16", "end": "02:26:22", "text": "the cabin.\" And it actually would"}, {"start": "02:26:18", "end": "02:26:24", "text": "happen. Uh, and the book's full of all"}, {"start": "02:26:22", "end": "02:26:28", "text": "kinds of insights about what that will"}, {"start": "02:26:24", "end": "02:26:30", "text": "be like. So, it's there because I think"}, {"start": "02:26:28", "end": "02:26:32", "text": "that might happen to a lot of people."}, {"start": "02:26:30", "end": "02:26:35", "text": "And you can grab that book and look at"}, {"start": "02:26:32", "end": "02:26:38", "text": "it and think, well, they lived through"}, {"start": "02:26:35", "end": "02:26:41", "text": "it and it turned out to be pretty cool."}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:44", "text": "That's And also, my show is Dreamland."}, {"start": "02:26:41", "end": "02:26:45", "text": "My website, Unknown Country, has got a"}, {"start": "02:26:44", "end": "02:26:50", "text": "brand new look that just went up"}, {"start": "02:26:45", "end": "02:26:52", "text": "yesterday, last week, and uh I'm here."}, {"start": "02:26:50", "end": "02:26:53", "text": "I'm definitely doing this."}, {"start": "02:26:52", "end": "02:26:55", "text": ">> Well, I'll leave all those links below"}, {"start": "02:26:53", "end": "02:26:56", "text": "for my audience. Thank you again so"}, {"start": "02:26:55", "end": "02:26:59", "text": "much, Whitley."}, {"start": "02:26:56", "end": "02:27:02", "text": ">> Thank you. Always a pleasure, Chris."}, {"start": "02:26:59", "end": "02:27:02", "text": "Heat. Heat."}]

[{"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "we are completely misdirected. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": ">> Even when you're holding on to something"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "as solid as a deck of cards"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:13", "text": ">> cuz you talked about how uh just"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "fallible memory is. And and to this day,"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "I've been trying to think about how you"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "did that and I just have no idea. I I I"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "have no idea where I was tricked or"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "where I'm not remembering or or where"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "that happened. I just I have no idea."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": ">> I've seen him do the thing with the"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "glass where the glass just moves over."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "It's probably the simplest thing, but I"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "[ __ ] love it. where the straw floats"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "out and the straw is floating."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:33", "text": ">> I mean, I'd never seen a magic show"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "before."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": ">> I I really hadn't even seen Car Tricks."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Not a lot of people have. They've"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "seen videos of it, but seeing in person"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "is is way different cuz you're always"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "you're one step removed"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> on video. So, it's like watching a stage"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "show and you go, \"Oh, there's smoke and"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "mirrors. There's trap doors.\" Right. But"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "then when it's in front of you, all"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "those variables seem to disappear and"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "you're just left with nothing."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:00", "text": ">> Yeah. Closeup is crazy. you you have the"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "frustrating um thing happen to you where"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "your suspension of disbelief is"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "unwilling."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:06", "text": ">> It's not willing. You're not like, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "I'll suspend it for the sake of the"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "trick.\" You're like, \"No, I've exhausted"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "my resources. I don't know how you did"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "that.\""}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> Yeah. On the videos, you can stop it, go"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "back frames, try to investigate."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> And you can see how I did that on video,"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> that particular one. There's certain"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "tricks that like you have to cut around"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "or certain tricks that you have to like"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "do. Like if you look at mentalism,"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> most of the stuff happens off camera."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> And then when the cameras are rolling,"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "um it's it's a lot of word play. I'll"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "say that."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": ">> We never met before today, right? You"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "know, like these type of things. And"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "you're like, it creates the illusion"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "that you didn't set anything up."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> And you go, we didn't set anything up,"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "right? But you don't know that you were"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "set up if you've handed me your phone"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": ">> before, you know, cuz I was doing some"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "pre-show magic trick to you and I did"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "something. and you're like, \"Well, I"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "blew your mind, but now I have all this"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "secret information on you that I'm going"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "to reveal throughout the next hour and"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "you know, and and and you know, play a"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "look at me and think of this thing and"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "like do all these even performative"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "bits, which is fine, but yeah, it's not"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "actual mind reading.\""}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": ">> Well, I think you have a point about the"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "the shows being in person cuz like I"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "haven't felt that amount of awe in like"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "a interaction with a person since I was"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "a kid."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": ">> Like I was I was on the edge of my seat"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "when you were doing those tricks. It all"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "culminated with the the plastic part. It"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "boggled my mind cuz Luigi walked in."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "That's the first thing I told Luigi."}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": ">> And he was like, \"Oh, yeah.\""}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Been there, done that."}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": ">> Speaking of which, here I'll give you uh"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "I'll give you a little demonstration,"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "not on um not on actual magic, but more"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "on how magicians can use magic to obtain"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "information"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "and then how that is perceived to people"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "watching. So, for instance, um"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "um All right, just go ahead and just"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "take a card out. Yep. Anyone?"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": ">> I got a game out."}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:58", "text": ">> Sorry."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:02:59", "text": ">> Yeah, no worries."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> Okay, I'm hiding the number from you."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:01", "text": ">> Yeah, just have a look at it. You got"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> Put it back."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Y"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": ">> All right. So, at this point, there's no"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "way any of us know what that card is."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "Well, I sorry. You guys know I have no"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "idea what this card is. Correct. All"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:15", "text": "right."}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> Mhm. Um,"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "so all right, just think of this card."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": "Just think of it"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:24", "text": ">> if this is going to be like a bit of a"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "poker face scenario. So I don't want you"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "to give away any information. Okay? And"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "but I'm going to try to read from your"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "facial expressions or your sort of micro"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "expressions"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:35", "text": ">> anything that I can to try and determine"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "what the card is."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:41", "text": ">> Is it don't answer is it red or black?"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "So your right eye when I said black"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "moved slightly. So I'm going I'm gonna"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "assume it's black. Is it a club or a"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "spade now? Okay. So So now you're you're"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "you're trying to mask it. And so it"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "tells me it's a spade once again. Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "Now is it a picture card or a number"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "card?"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Okay. It's a number card. All right. Is"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "it high or low? High or low? High. It's"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "low. So it's a low spade. Is that"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "correct?"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> Okay. There's a free choice. So, you"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "could have chosen any card. Mhm. All"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "right. Right here. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> And my finger."}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:22", "text": ">> What the [ __ ] What the [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> Is that it? Four of spades. All right."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "So, now here's here's the thing. So,"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "I didn't actually read your micro"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "expressions. This is all performative. I"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "already knew what card you chose. How?"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "Well, there's two ways that I can know"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "that. Either I force the card upon you"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "or I peak the card after. Right? There's"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "two ways to do that."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": ">> Uh so if I force the card on you, even"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "though it felt like that was a free"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "completely free choice, it wasn't."}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": ">> Um it felt free, it wasn't. Right? So"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "this is a force. So now you're being"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "given the card that I want you to. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "So now that I have information that you"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "don't know I have, I can ask you to hide"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "that information from me and now I can"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "see what that looks like."}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> Oh, for for read the tell."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": ">> Okay. So now I have information on what"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "your tells are. And this for magicians"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "or mentalists or even CIA is really"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "really valuable information. And so"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "having inside information and being able"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "to ask people questions you know the"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "answers to and then seeing how they"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "dance around the answers knowing they're"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "trying to avoid what the truth is. You"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "can see if they're lying or if they're"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "telling the truth."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:40", "text": ">> So even the even the card you offered"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "it. You know that's a fresh pack."}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:43", "text": ">> You opened it, you cut the deck once."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:49", "text": ">> Spread it and of jokers included what 54"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "cards in there."}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": ">> Mhm. Uh, you offered me up the the one"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "you wanted me to pick and I tried to"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "game out what you wanted me to pick and"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "choose a different one. So, I just don't"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "know how I was led to pick the one card"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "you wanted me to. It it blows my mind."}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": ">> Well, isn't that interesting, though?"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "But that's that's the whole crux of the"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "trick because if you knew that that was"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "even in play that I was"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": ">> and you suspected I was trying to force"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "you a card, so you went in a different"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "direction. But if you knew that that"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "card was forced, you know, that would"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "change the dynamic of the of how I was"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "sort of trying to read that information."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "And so it's really interesting because"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "you take magic and I just apply it to"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "the whole IC"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:31", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": ">> you know, space and I go, \"Oh my god,"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "like they're literally doing magic"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "tricks.\""}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": ">> And you see it on these interviews. You"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "see it, you know, when you talk to them"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "in person, you know they know things,"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "but they're playing dumb. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:48", "text": ">> And so, you know, I when I do magic"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "tricks to these people, um, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "get to see Thank you."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:52", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": ">> I get to see"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": ">> what their tells are."}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> Before the podcast."}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": ">> M Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> And then I grill them on these"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "questions."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": ">> Probably shouldn't even be saying this"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "on camera,"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": ">> you know, because they might be watching"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "this, but that's the idea, right? Is"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "that you get to And then now I"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "understand."}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> Yeah. you know how they shift in their"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "seat"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": ">> when they're trying to hide information"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "or you know what I mean? So it helps."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> Well, even you you told me I was giving"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "off micro expressions after you said"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "that when I was answering I I felt like"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "my eye twitching and I said, \"Oh crap,"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "am I giving it away?\""}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": ">> And and you slightly were. That's the"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "thing, too. That's the other"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "psychological subject."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:32", "text": ">> Thank you very much. Thank you."}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": ">> Thank you. Thanks."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "Um yeah, there is there is like a whole"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "psychological layer to um trying to hide"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "things. So it's you know don't think of"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "a black cat type idea."}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> Same thing happens. Uh and and also"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": ">> there's like certain I learned this from"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "a friend Spidey. He does he has this"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "behavioral arts channel and he like"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "looks at people lying but when people"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "scratch their nose. So when you're lying"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "it actually like increases the blood"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "flow to your face which slight and this"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "is where the pinocchio lie comes from"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "cuz your your nose slightly swells like"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "on a microscopic level."}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> And so that's why people would but that"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "doesn't mean it's a lie. It could mean"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "they're just trying to dance around"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "something else. So, has there ever been"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "anybody you've had on the pod that"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "because you're able to gauge out their"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "micro expressions or when they're lying,"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "you have just known are feeding you a"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "bunch of baloney? Um, no. Because you"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "can't tell what they're lying about."}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:31", "text": ">> Okay. You can only tell there's like"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "some inconsistency in what they're"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "saying. So, like,"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": ">> you know, like lie detectors famously"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "aren't lie detectors,"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:39", "text": ">> right? It just measures your heart rate,"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "cortisol levels."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Exactly. So, it's telling you,"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "\"Oh, this person is stressed.\" You don't"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "know what about. It could be about"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "trying to hide the truth, right? But it"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "could also be about this reminds them of"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "when they were a kid and they got beat"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "up for saying this or Yeah. Whatever"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "that is."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I know we talked about this"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "too, Jesse. Just kind of guess on your"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "pod that that you felt may have been"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "kind of taking you for a ride."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:09", "text": ">> Uh,"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> we talked about that as well. Uh, we"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "talked about just the the the the guest"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "that you had the hardest time taking"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "their story at face value was was"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "Charles Hall."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:16", "text": ">> For sure."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": ">> Are we are we in the pod right now?"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": ">> Okay. I didn't break that wall."}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, well, Chris and I did"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "Charles Hall together."}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> The when uh"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:32", "text": ">> Jesus, that sounds weird."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "Well, we did an interview with Charles"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "Hall"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": ">> when"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:39", "text": ">> Chris was telling Luigi and I uh when I"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "was out here last time and that's when"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "Chris was doing impressions of some"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "other prominent figures in the subject"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "too that Luigi and I were just loving"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Who's this? Who's I who's"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "impersonating"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:52", "text": ">> Bledo about the"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": ">> Luigi was cackling the whole time."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> It's just like the way he's so soft and"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "he's like, \"Oh, thank you.\" like this"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "whole I've I've seen so many of his"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "videos and like you just see these"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "lights these you know these I don't know"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "what they are but then you hear his like"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "soft voice in the background."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:10", "text": ">> Thank you"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "railing off at the end of the videos."}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": ">> Yeah. There's the the kind of infamous"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "video at the Last Contact of him doing"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> Yeah. He always says cut the football"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "chatter. Cut the Yeah. Cut the football"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "chatter."}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": ">> Yeah. What do you make of that? What do"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "you make of like"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "all that stuff."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": ">> Well, Jesse and I were talking about"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "this last night. You know, he is is dieh"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "hard wants to talk to Tim Taylor."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:37", "text": ">> Yeah. That seems to be the biggest"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:37", "text": ">> Yeah. to this puzzle."}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:38", "text": ">> Cuz at least"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> that's your way whale."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": ">> It is. I think. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": ">> You think it'll happen?"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": ">> I I put him on I made a vision board and"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "he's on him."}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:51", "text": ">> Cut to cut to Jesse's shrine with the"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "handles and like"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> satanic like pentagram. Oh, it sounds so"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "creepy."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:58", "text": ">> Well, because it seems"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": ">> I really want to do it. I think because"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:04", "text": ">> he's the intersection between trippy"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "stuff and then real nuts and bolts"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "space, but like really trippy stuff. Not"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "even just like UFO work like time travel"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "and you know other stuff."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": ">> Oh yeah, the Bermuda Tons Brown stuff."}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "Yeah. The fact that his name came up at"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "Charles Hall thing was interesting too."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "Like Mary Theresa's wife was just like"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "Timothy. And Bledsoe said that she he"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "was writing a book with Towns and"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "Brown's daughter."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:28", "text": ">> Have you contacted"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:29", "text": ">> Who was writing a book?"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": ">> Tim Taylor."}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:35", "text": ">> Oh wow. And didn't Town Towns and"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "Brown's daughter leave a like some type"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "of Amazon review on his book."}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:40", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> Yes. So there is a connection there."}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> Definitely a connection."}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": ">> Have you reached out to the daughter?"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": ">> I have. Well, she was on a phone call in"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "my original"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": ">> ground documentary and so we'll"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "occasionally talk on the phone and she's"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "fascinating."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": ">> That's so wild. Yeah, he's he's he's"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "just such a I think it's more of like"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "he's this weird puzzle piece that you"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "don't know where to put in the puzzle."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": ">> And that's what's so intriguing about"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "this this man is like is not necessarily"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "how he's tied together with everything,"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "but just like what like what is his role"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "here? He seems like this transient sort"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "of goes wherever he wants entity, but at"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "the same time, I get the feeling might"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "be an experiencer from having, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "so much interest in the topic and"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "talking to Stber. Um, what's his face?"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "Um, Charles Hall and all these other"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "experiencers, Bledsoe."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:34", "text": ">> Um, I don't know. I don't know what to"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "make of them."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:39", "text": ">> It's weird because Tim Taylor doesn't"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "cross over into my lane of of studying"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "the programs at all. Like Tim Taylor's"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "name never comes up."}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:44", "text": ">> He's an aerospace corp."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:46", "text": ">> Right. Right."}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:47", "text": ">> Yeah. NASA, but still in terms of like"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "actual program efforts, his name has"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "never really come up as a as a key"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "player ever."}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> Which is interesting cuz then he's"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "gallivanting around with Bledo with"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "Charles Hall."}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": ">> Yeah. You would think that he would keep"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "a lower profile if he was really in the"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "uh in the deep part of the program. What"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "do you think?"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "I think he was is part of some well I"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "think the program is uh probably a"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "misnomer and I think there are probably"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "a lot of different you know you have"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "this this phenomena which is sort of"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "multifaceted and then you have"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "whatever's going on with Dan Sherman"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "like with the you know like humming a"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "tone yeah exact project preserve destiny"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "is definitely stepwise different than"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "reverse engineering a craft which is the"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "stuff you're tracking"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:31", "text": ">> and so"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": ">> those two things are different and then"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "is there some sort of, you know, like"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "looking glass style time travel thing"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "like probably, you know, if you take"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "Bazar face value, they were at least"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "looking at little time perturbations,"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "you know, and then, you know, is there"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "some group that thinks it can time"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "travel? Like there's a there's a he"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "wrote a book called um Launch Fever."}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "It's his autobiography and he writes"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "about flying back and forth uh from"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "between um Florida and the Bahamas and"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "he says time moved differently there and"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "it's all to me it's like all this like"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "weird coded language like it's island"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "time"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": ">> and it it's really strange."}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:10", "text": ">> Oh that's that's an interesting way to"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "see it. And then simultaneously he's"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "telling Chris Bledso's son that like"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "he's part of this time travel group with"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "and Towns of Brown was the president of"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "it. And Towns Brown always conceived of"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "himself as a time traveler. Like I"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "literally asked"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": ">> Towns and Brown's daughter like what is"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "uh if your father is a time traveler,"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "what is he up to now? And she goes she"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "he's probably rearranging the math on"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "the most frontier science to make sure"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "we don't blow ourselves up. And then you"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "think about the UFO nukes thing. It's so"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "crazy. He's some sort of time traveling"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "superhero that's saving us all from"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "imminent doom."}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": ">> Love this idea."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> Also, um, did you ever ask Malmrren"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "about Tim?"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": ">> So, Malmrren at the end of his life was"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "going really deep on Towns and Brown,"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": ">> right? and was like had all these like"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "notes on him and he he apparently said"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "he said he had a a foreign intelligence"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "source that gave him uh documentation of"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "Towns and Brown collaborating with Tesla"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "on some gravity stuff which is crazy and"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "like I couldn't get too much deeper than"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "that so you know I don't know. Uh and"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "then on Tim Taylor I don't think I ever"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "asked him. I I pro I probably knowing me"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "I probably did and then he probably"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "didn't say anything that's why I don't"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "remember but yeah"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:22", "text": ">> interesting. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": ">> Are we all in solidarity that Mal Gren"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "was likely CIA?"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:27", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:28", "text": ">> I don't know enough to put him in that"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "category, but I'll trust both of your"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "judgments."}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:31", "text": ">> I think I think for sure."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:38", "text": ">> because he was in he was talking about"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "Priacoff and Doinan and Pompadoo like a"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "global stage sort of guy. And then he"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "was at Yale and and at Oxford before"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "Then he was living at um he had Paul"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "Melon's walking stick at his apartment"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "and I'm holding it. Paul Melon founded"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "the CIA and then he goes my best friend"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "Tom Farmer or whatever and then you look"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "up Tom Farmer he was the general counsel"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "of the CIA. Like oh come on"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:03", "text": ">> be a big oversight not to have him in"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "the council."}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": ">> He had IDA as kind of his knock position"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "the Institute for Defense Analyses"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": ">> which he literally said was a cover for"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "his work on the National Security"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "Council. So this whole Dean Johnson"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "takedown around him not working on the"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "National Security Council, he already"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "addressed before he died"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:23", "text": ">> with this other interview with Robin"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "Lair. So"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:25", "text": ">> wild. I'm still blown away that he got"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "that interview."}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": ">> I am too, man. I It felt uh it felt like"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "really like"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": ">> Yeah, it did. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": ">> What would you guys say are the most"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "important interviews you guys have done?"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": ">> I think Mal Grin is probably the most"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "important interview any of us have done."}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "I think one of them at least at the very"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "top."}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": ">> Yeah, Mal Granner for me."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "I mean I would I would push that"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "question off to you. Um you've only done"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "you've only done a handful on camera."}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:00", "text": ">> I definitely off camera stuff."}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": ">> And you like we talked about it"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "beforehand specifically about Air Force"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "stuff. That's that's like that's my uh"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "Tim Taylor to get specific people on"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "camera that have worked in those"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "programs."}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:14", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": ">> what about you Chris?"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": ">> Um most important"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:21", "text": ">> I don't know. It's hard to say because"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "that would that would mean that you"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "would have to acknowledge that what"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "they're saying is a sort of agreeable"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "truth, right?"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:30", "text": ">> Where I I'm"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": ">> or not. It has a ripple effect."}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:37", "text": ">> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "true. That's true. I would say um"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "I think you know it's gonna set people"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "can make what they want of it but I"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "think Lou was a really important"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "interview for the trajectory of my"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "channel. M um you know him coming early"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "onto the channel obviously got a lot of"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "eyes on the channel and so you know"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "believe or don't believe anything Lou"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "says regardless of that first of all he"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "you know he took his time to come here"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "and be on the podcast always be you"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "thankful he did that but the offset of"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "that was now that this you know created"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "some type of eventful thing where now"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "people look at the podcast differently"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "like oh this is you know he's getting"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "big guests and so after that I was able"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "to, you know, get some really"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "interesting people, even whistleblowers"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "such as Jeremy Weekes come on and and so"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "I think it was important in the"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "trajectory of my channel and um it felt"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "serendipitous the way it happened too, I"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "would say. But Jeremy Weeks is another"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "one. Jeremy Weeks is one that uh"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:39", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a trippy story. So"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:42", "text": ">> Super trippy. But actually, maybe um"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "Peter Curry."}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:43", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:44", "text": ">> Oh, nice."}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:50", "text": ">> Yeah. I feel like that one kind of even"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "though it did pretty well, I still think"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "it went under the radar with, you know,"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "what we're proposing and and what was"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "brought forward. Like it was some"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "physical evidence."}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:00", "text": ">> It was physical evidence."}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:01", "text": ">> That's wild."}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:04", "text": ">> It's, you know, we're not it's not"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "hearsay. It's physical evidence."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:08", "text": ">> Doesn't prove aliens, but it's anomalous"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "physical evidence that we that we have."}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": ">> And anomalous physical evidence that's"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "biological. It's not. Usually you hear"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "like, \"Oh, we did mass spec on, you"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "know, this material and that has isotope"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "ratios, you know, whatever.\" You're"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "talking about a hair that was pulled off"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "the being."}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:26", "text": ">> And what what trips me out more is how"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "it corroborates his story"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": ">> and not the other way around."}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": ">> So, it wasn't like he had this hair"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "tested and they were like, \"Oh, it's"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "half Asian, half Basque, it's blonde,"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "it's immune to AIDS without the CCR5"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "gene deletion.\" And and then he goes,"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "\"Oh yeah, you know, I had a blonde and"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:48", "text": "an Asian naked alien in my room.\" And"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "that's not how it happened. It was that"}, {"start": "00:19:48", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "story first and then you get this hair"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "back that actually kind of corroborates"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "what the heck this guy's saying. Like"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "that for me was the big oh my god"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "moment."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:19:59", "text": ">> It wasn't even like the anomalous nature"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "of the hair. It was like that it"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "corroborated his anomalous story. This"}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "is the skiff. No Windows, no Wi-Fi, and"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "ideally no one quietly collecting your"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "data in the background. Which brings us"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "to your phone. See, most people think of"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:16", "text": "their carrier as just a company that"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "gives them bars. But traditional"}, {"start": "00:20:16", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "carriers have access to way more than"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "that. Your number, your metadata, your"}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "location patterns, your account"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "information. In a world where data gets"}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "leaked, sold, brokered, and tracked,"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "that should make everybody a little"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "uncomfortable. Cape is America's privacy"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:38", "text": "first mobile carrier. 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That's cape.co/era52"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": "co/eria52"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "code area52 for 33% off your first 6"}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "months. Thank you to Kate for sponsoring"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "this video."}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:37", "text": ">> How did you get in contact with him in"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "the first place? And did you fly him in"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "from Australia?"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:39", "text": ">> I did."}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:40", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:43", "text": ">> Yeah, I flew him in from Australia. I"}, {"start": "00:21:40", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "got in contact with him through"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "um uh what's his name? Horus Drew."}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "So, Horus Drew was the geneticist who uh"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "who did the tests, the genetic test on"}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "the hair."}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:00", "text": ">> Um, he's also been in and around the UFO"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "space quite a lot. He's worked with Bill"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "Chocker, who wrote the book Hair of the"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "Alien. Bill Chocker, who's like a"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "respected uh UFO researcher in"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "Australia. And Horus was also the person"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "who introduced me to Jeremy Weekes. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "Mhm."}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:21", "text": ">> Um he was the one who decoded Jeremy's"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "initial binary sequence after you know"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "um I think it was uh Lynalt how she she"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "didn't know what to do with it. She it"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "resembled binary. She didn't really know"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "how to read it. Took horse like a few"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "weeks"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": ">> and then um Yeah. And then CJ, you know,"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "came out."}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": ">> Yeah. But yeah,"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:41", "text": ">> outside of Tim Taylor, who would like"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:42", "text": "your guys' three dream guests currently"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "living be that you guys would do"}, {"start": "00:22:42", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "anything to get on your pods?"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:47", "text": ">> Okay, let's do let's do one at a time."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:47", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:49", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:51", "text": ">> you first."}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:52", "text": ">> Oh, man. Um,"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:53", "text": ">> no Tim Taylor."}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:55", "text": ">> Yeah, no Tim."}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:58", "text": ">> That's already vision board. Thank you,"}, {"start": "00:22:55", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "sir."}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:03", "text": "It's funny because it's either like, you"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "I either want to interview, you know,"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "people like Spielberg or like, you know,"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "people who are like in the like, you"}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "know, really"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "clearly like know more than they let on,"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "like have, you know, clearly have some"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "interesting sources. I think that would"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "be really cool. And it's either that or"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "like I always never know how to answer"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "that because it used to be like more"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "high signal people and now it's like you"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "know I my audience kind of hated on this"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:30", "text": "but I loved this interview I just did"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "with this guy Ralph that this DOE guy he"}, {"start": "00:23:30", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "was"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": ">> I disagree with him about DOE oversight"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "when it comes to UFOs but"}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:41", "text": ">> the I like somebody who's experienced"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:43", "text": "something kind of onlogically trippy but"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "then they can also make sense of it in"}, {"start": "00:23:43", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "some greater theoretical framework. So"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "anybody like that and I felt like"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "Malgrim was like that too where you had"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "the like"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "meta perspective of like being able to"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "make sense of it. You were like an actor"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "in the world. You weren't just"}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:58", "text": "identifying with the experience in this"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:00", "text": "way that"}, {"start": "00:23:58", "end": "00:24:03", "text": ">> you know that's that's the only thing"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "and you're sort of like you know I don't"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "know like like like selling everything"}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "off of that."}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": ">> Experience turn philosopher."}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": ">> Experience turn philosopher."}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:12", "text": ">> Yeah. But being able to make sense of it"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "and you've experienced something really"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:13", "text": "trippy."}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:17", "text": ">> Yes. B's a good one."}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:19", "text": ">> Spielberg's a good great answer."}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:20", "text": ">> You could get so much value out of even"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "just asking him, \"Hey, why did you"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "include Loheed and TRW in Close"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "Encounters? Why'd you have those"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "crates?\""}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:27", "text": ">> He probably would have some interesting"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "answers."}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:32", "text": ">> The whole Project Serpo."}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:33", "text": ">> Tell me about the lore behind the Abyss"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "creatures."}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, he that"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:37", "text": "was James Cameron, but"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:38", "text": ">> Oh. Oh, that's"}, {"start": "00:24:37", "end": "00:24:40", "text": ">> But still, I mean, Spielberg was a"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "produc Yeah. But Spielberg was a"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "producer on Back to the Future."}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Right."}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:48", "text": ">> Um, you know, and then obviously ET is"}, {"start": "00:24:45", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "another one that is pretty on the nose"}, {"start": "00:24:48", "end": "00:24:53", "text": ">> in terms of like, you know, them"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:55", "text": "studying this being and whatnot. I think"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:56", "text": "in that same vein, if we were to stick"}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "around, you know, the entertainment"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "industry, I think Chris Carter for me"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "would be a big one. That's a good one."}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "Yeah, cuz same questions go to him in"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "that season finale that Tim Taylor"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "mentions in American uh cosmic or what's"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "her book? uh American Cosmic. American"}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "Cosmic. Yeah. Where they're taken to the"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:16", "text": "place."}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:17", "text": ">> Yeah. And he's like, \"Doesn't this place"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "look familiar?\" And they're like, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "this is actually a season finale of X"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "Files and it's an actual range.\" And so"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "he must have had especially after that"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "pilot episode."}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:30", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. One episode, one deep throat."}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "That's That's the biggest"}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:36", "text": ">> dude. It's they go to an Air Force base"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:39", "text": "and they see testing of like lights"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:41", "text": ">> blipping around and then this"}, {"start": "00:25:39", "end": "00:25:45", "text": ">> massive, you know, what looks like a"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "TR3B or you know, military."}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:49", "text": ">> Very similar. And after that immediately"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "was like freak of the week for like"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:54", "text": ">> I don't know how many season. Exactly."}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:55", "text": ">> Well, that craft the the artwork from"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "that I talk about this all the time was"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "was commissioned to an art forensic"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "artist named Bill McDonald. He also"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "designed a lot of the craft for like"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "Roswell depictions and so forth. But"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "Bill McDonald that craft he called it"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "the XF-131 Super Sentinel and that was"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "based off of a meeting with two Loheed"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "and two Northrup engineers at a Denny's"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "in Anelope Valley in 1992. These"}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "engineers worked out of Helenale and"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "Tahone."}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:18", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": ">> So you can look up the original artwork."}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:22", "text": "It's called the Tahachi Triangle dated"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "1992 from Bill McDonald. And this is"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "allegedly a real craft."}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:26", "text": ">> That's crazy. I didn't know that."}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:28", "text": ">> And I've talked to Bill McDonald as"}, {"start": "00:26:26", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "well. He won't give up the engineers"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "names, but you know as according to him,"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "this is a real craft."}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:33", "text": ">> Might have been in this diner right"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "here."}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:37", "text": ">> There you go."}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:39", "text": ">> Well, the other thing about the X Files"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "is they were real. You know, the Guy"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "Banister was this guy at the FBI."}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:47", "text": ">> Ironically, Lee Harvey Oswald was"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "working out of his building at 554 Camp"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "Street. Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": ">> Or 544 Camp Street in New Orleans, which"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "is crazy. But he is the XFiles guy. He"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": "was the guy like uh this guy Fred"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:26:59", "text": "Chrisman worked under him. He was"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "another FBI guy who showed up at the"}, {"start": "00:26:59", "end": "00:27:03", "text": "Mory Island incident"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:04", "text": ">> which was literally like adjacent to the"}, {"start": "00:27:03", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "Kenneth Arnold sighting which was"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "another UFO experience where somebody"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "said his dog got killed by UFO slag"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "coming down or whatever."}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:14", "text": ">> So that it's this weird So yeah, the to"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "your point like"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:17", "text": ">> the XFiles was a thing. He's paying"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "homage to this real thing."}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": ">> Yeah. And then I mean even you look at"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "Nick Pope who is"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:26", "text": ">> you know kind of the the the scully or"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "the molder of of uh the UK at the UFO"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "desk for the"}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:30", "text": ">> mod"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:32", "text": ">> which is interesting too. He had a 1-800"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "number essentially. It was like this"}, {"start": "00:27:32", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "phone number that you would call in"}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:36", "text": ">> and you know I don't know what to make"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:38", "text": "of that. I didn't know what to make of"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "that when he told me and like that does"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "sound like a position they would just"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "give someone to like all right you just"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:45", "text": "do this but then accidentally falling"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "into some real stuff. Well, it's like"}, {"start": "00:27:45", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "it's like the weird desk at the CIA that"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:52", "text": "they say, you know, they say Kit Green"}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "was on it, then they say Ron Pandalfi"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "took over."}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:56", "text": ">> Yeah. It seems like a weird desk."}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:58", "text": ">> Yeah. They seem but like that one almost"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:28:02", "text": "seemed performative to me like with a"}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "public number, but then in in that same"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "vein, like you're getting calls from"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "actual experiencers and he's actually"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:07", "text": "going out and seeing these things,"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:10", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": ">> Um which I think is, you know,"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:13", "text": ">> I would I would have loved to have that"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "job. That's like a dream job. Hey, have"}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "you reached out to Chris Carter?"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": ">> Uh, I don't know how. I've had like"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "people I know try to reach out to him."}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:22", "text": "Him, David Davney. U"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:24", "text": ">> Oh, nice."}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, what's her name? Jillian uh"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "Anderson."}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": ">> Um, I'd love to talk to any of them."}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:30", "text": ">> I'm sure David Davney would probably"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "have some really interesting stories."}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:33", "text": ">> Well, I think he's a UFO skeptic is what"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "I hear."}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:36", "text": ">> Oh, that's interesting."}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:39", "text": ">> That would make for a good conversation"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "then. I wonder if he's still a skeptic."}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:42", "text": ">> I think it's tough now, right? Like"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "especially if you're always associated"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:45", "text": "with that and then you see all this"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "stuff coming out in the news and"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "everybody's coming up to you being like"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "oh you're the guy you're Fox Boulder and"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:52", "text": "then he's"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:55", "text": ">> he probably has he probably feels some"}, {"start": "00:28:52", "end": "00:28:58", "text": "pressure to have the correct view on it"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "and like now I do think the consensus is"}, {"start": "00:28:58", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "shifting. Five six years ago I don't"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:03", "text": "think it was you know popular to say you"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "believe in this stuff but now"}, {"start": "00:29:03", "end": "00:29:06", "text": ">> how many times you think you just ended"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "a conversation with well truth is out"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "there. Yeah. Yeah, definitely."}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:11", "text": ">> Often."}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:14", "text": ">> That's a good choice."}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:15", "text": ">> Or like the the dude who is smoking the"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "smoking man."}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:16", "text": ">> Yeah. The"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:18", "text": ">> episodes."}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:19", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. That's a like"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:21", "text": ">> you probably know some [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Moulders's legacy contact. That's"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "always kind They've always been here."}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "They've been here for a long time, guys."}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:30", "text": ">> But they also say that uh like Alien"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "Hybrids Chain Smoke or whatever. Like"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:32", "text": "streamers thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "so wild."}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": ">> Hilarious. How about you?"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:47", "text": ">> My number one would of just be boring."}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "Uh it it would be of course Dave Grush,"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "but in conversation with Dave Grush, not"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:53", "text": "so much an interview, but more so like a"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "fireside chat type situation, just like"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:56", "text": ">> three, four hours of talking about"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "legacy programs and legacy history."}, {"start": "00:29:56", "end": "00:30:00", "text": ">> Have you not had that conversation with"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "Dave Grush? That's not That's not my"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:03", "text": "story to tell."}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:04", "text": ">> Okay. No, but that you said like that"}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "would be your number one thing you'd"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "like to do."}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:06", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:08", "text": ">> Oh, I see. I see."}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:10", "text": ">> Yeah. To to do like a a video, right? To"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "sit down like 3 4 hours."}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:12", "text": ">> Oh, I see. I see. I see."}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:14", "text": ">> I would pay to watch that."}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:15", "text": ">> I would too."}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:18", "text": ">> That would be that would be my number"}, {"start": "00:30:15", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "one dream. I mean, all the way from like"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "Roswell prior to today."}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:24", "text": ">> I feel like I feel like it'd be"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:24", "text": "dangerous for Dave Gra to sit down with"}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:26", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:28", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:26", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "Same reason Dave Grush wouldn't probably"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "sit down with Bob Lazar where it's like"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "you guys are going to talk about some"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "stuff that like literally you shouldn't"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "be talking about."}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:38", "text": ">> Yeah, of course. Cuz like I've never had"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "a clearance. I can cross lines that that"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "he can't without being thrown in jail."}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:44", "text": ">> Should have a button with him."}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:45", "text": ">> Like just to slap the button when you're"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "getting too close to that line"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:49", "text": ">> cuz like I can cross lines that you know"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "he he will be imprisoned and made an"}, {"start": "00:30:49", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "example of if he if he crosses. So I"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:55", "text": "have ability to cross those lines. So"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "yeah, you're right. It could be"}, {"start": "00:30:55", "end": "00:30:59", "text": ">> a way to send an invite."}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:02", "text": ">> So, let's do it."}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:05", "text": ">> You know that that would be that would"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "be my dream just of of any guest living"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "living or dead."}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:07", "text": ">> Be amazing."}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:08", "text": ">> I would love that."}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:08", "text": ">> All right, let's go down the list. Who"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "else?"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:11", "text": ">> I think that if that conversation's"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "happen, it would be a sign that we've"}, {"start": "00:31:11", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "made a lot of progress"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:18", "text": ">> because, you know, like he could be"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "super open about a lot of like the"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "deeper"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:21", "text": ">> stuff. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:23", "text": ">> it would be like a very good indicator."}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "more dates and program evolution, which"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "I just think with with how much"}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "information has splited the zone would"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "be really helpful just to have like a"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:31", "text": "clear and concise this is how some of"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "the legacy programs were founded, this"}, {"start": "00:31:31", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "is how they work, this is what they've"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:36", "text": "evolved into. Well, you're doing the"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "open- source version of what he did at"}, {"start": "00:31:36", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "the UAPF, I think, is, you know, he was"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "known as like this really like, you"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "know, his mind was a steel trap and he"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "was just this like"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:48", "text": ">> big database of like all this stuff, you"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "know,"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:52", "text": ">> but you're both kind of like cut from"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:53", "text": "the same clock."}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying."}, {"start": "00:31:53", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "There's like when you put two phones"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:58", "text": "together and just had AI talk to each"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "other."}, {"start": "00:31:58", "end": "00:32:03", "text": ">> It would be a great conversation OD. I'd"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "be really intrigued to to"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": ">> Dude, both of you nerding out on"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:09", "text": "acronyms would be the best. You could"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "probably host an hourong podcast where"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "you say no words."}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:15", "text": ">> We could Yeah, we could speak"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:17", "text": "entirely in code and acronyms."}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:18", "text": ">> That would be a dream. I really would."}, {"start": "00:32:17", "end": "00:32:20", "text": ">> Oh, dude. Right here in this dino. Let's"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": "set it up."}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:23", "text": ">> I would love to."}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "My number two. Oh man. Ideal guests."}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "So tough. I think maybe somebody at the"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "like Okay. If there is still a Majestic"}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "12,"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:48", "text": ">> you know, like"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:49", "text": ">> Helen Carter."}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:52", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I would I would put somebody"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "like a Bobby Ray Inman on it. And I"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:58", "text": "would love to interview somebody like at"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "that level where they have somewhat of a"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "top of the pyramid view. You know, you"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "always hear these like analogies of"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:04", "text": "like, you know, it's like a bunch of"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "blind men touching an elephant or"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "different parts of an elephant. It's"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "really hard to like piece together"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "what's actually going on."}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:13", "text": ">> And you even had, you know, when Jake"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "came on my show and Ross', it was like,"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "uh, I'm I'm the fingertips, you know,"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "and it's like we don't have all the"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:24", "text": "context. And to me, the most interesting"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "stuff isn't the like functional like"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "what's going on in the form of a crash"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "retrieval program. Like I'm pretty sure"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "that is going on. It's the metaphysical"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "truth behind it. What is going on? What"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "is reality? Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:36", "text": ">> That we're touching. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:39", "text": ">> Yeah. Who would And you think Bobby"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "Raymond would be the closest one to give"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:44", "text": "you a broader sort of"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:45", "text": ">> I don't that's where I don't know. And"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "and it's interesting because I think"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:50", "text": "with like the Malmrren thing like in"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "retrospect I think he was had much wider"}, {"start": "00:33:50", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "of a scope than I ever would have ever"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "imagined. Thank you."}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:33:56", "text": ">> Um thank you."}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:33:58", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:02", "text": ">> very good."}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:04", "text": ">> Um so uh yeah so I think like you never"}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "know with these people you don't know"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "you know maybe like there's a and then"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:09", "text": "you would guess because he was I think"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:11", "text": "he was"}, {"start": "00:34:09", "end": "00:34:14", "text": ">> well he's NSA director and deputy"}, {"start": "00:34:11", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "director of CIA. Yeah. Just insanely"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "spooky. Now, if you were to interview um"}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "Oh, thank you, sir. If you were to"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "interview"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:22", "text": ">> No, that one has cheese on it."}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:23", "text": ">> Yeah. Oh, no. That That one did."}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:25", "text": ">> No, this one doesn't. This one has sauce"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "on it, I think. It's got a little bit of"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:27", "text": "cheese, too."}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:28", "text": ">> Oh, it does."}, {"start": "00:34:27", "end": "00:34:30", "text": ">> Oh, no."}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:31", "text": ">> Oh, [ __ ] It's all good."}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:34", "text": ">> Oh, nibble."}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:34", "text": ">> Do we have one without cheese?"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:36", "text": ">> We do."}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:37", "text": ">> Nice. Oh, nice. Amazing."}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:39", "text": ">> It'll start out."}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:43", "text": ">> Finding out a little bit."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:44", "text": ">> Cut that out. I'm a little [ __ ] We're"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "finding out. We're finding out the"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "deepest the deep"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:48", "text": ">> the deepest secrets of Jess."}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:50", "text": ">> The deepest bowels of Jesse's."}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:52", "text": ">> Which one is which?"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:56", "text": ">> Thank you. They're going to IU is going"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "to target me with some cheese now."}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:11", "text": ">> So Jesse, if you were to interview Bobby"}, {"start": "00:35:08", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "Ray Inman, Yeah. Of course, infamously"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "Jay Anderson has. and gotten some"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "eclectic sound bites out of him."}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:18", "text": ">> What would you do differently or ask"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "differently to try and pry more answers"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "out of him?"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:21", "text": ">> Because I'm of the mind that of of you"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:25", "text": ">> a great question. You should do this."}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:28", "text": ">> That is a great question."}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:30", "text": ">> I I think I think you'd have to hit on"}, {"start": "00:35:28", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "touch on real specifics,"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:33", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:36", "text": ">> As far as, you know, overlap that he's"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "had in his career with specific people"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:39", "text": "where it seems like, you know, they've"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "But even then, these guys are trained"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "professionals."}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "especially him and you like these people"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "are running your questions through a"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:53", "text": "filter of like uh can talk about can't"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "talk about if I if I can't talk about it"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "I'm going to you know if I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "look like a sickopant in the future I'm"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "going to express openness on the thing I"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "can't talk about and it's a computation"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "and they're professionals at that [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "and so like you really have to read the"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "body language like but I do think if you"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "want to"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:13", "text": ">> you kind of, you know, make them squirm"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "a little bit. You got to uh uh, you"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "know, bring up specifics, I think,"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "around like, you know, overlap,"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:22", "text": ">> but even then, you're you're going off"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "of things that are like you have two or"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "three data points, you know, and it's"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "it's ultimately it's like and open-"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "source knowledge on this stuff is a"}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "[ __ ] minefield."}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:33", "text": ">> Yeah. And all you're going to get is"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "like a little smile out of the corner of"}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "their mouth when you ask like some cute"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "question. They go up like in the back of"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "their mind, they're like, \"You have no"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "idea.\" Yeah, you could have a whole"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:40", "text": "conversation about his time as director"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "of Nuro,"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:42", "text": ">> the National Underwater Reconnaissance"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:43", "text": "Office."}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:47", "text": ">> Well, he formed Nuro, right?"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:51", "text": ">> No, Nuro was formed in 1969 out of the"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "need to coordinate Navy and uh CIA DS&T"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "reconnaissance activity. So, up until"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:58", "text": "1974, Nuro was a tugof-war between the"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "Navy and DS&T. And I can't remember the"}, {"start": "00:36:58", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "specific secretary of the Navy that kind"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "of wagered some control back, but yeah,"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "around that time frame."}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:08", "text": ">> Andrew Jones. Well, I'd also want to ask"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "about his time at SIC specifically, his"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:11", "text": "interest in psychotronic weapons."}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:12", "text": ">> Yeah, Wacken Hut as well."}, {"start": "00:37:11", "end": "00:37:14", "text": ">> Wack Hut."}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:15", "text": ">> Something we don't hear about often"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "either, and maybe maybe this is just I"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "don't hear about it much, but"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:21", "text": ">> what about the Russians? Are they not"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "doing any underwater reconnaissance?"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": ">> Are they not doing like water crash"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "retrieval or like water even like what"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:29", "text": "like what Nurero is doing? Like don't"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "they have their own? We never hear"}, {"start": "00:37:29", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "anything from them in terms of the"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "oceans. We always hear, you know, crash."}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "I think one of the questions is is did"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "the Americans beat him to the punch?"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "Because under Nuro like the Ivy Bell's"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "programs and basically various programs"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "to put reconnaissance sensors and"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "activities on the seabed across the"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "entire globe. Maybe we beat them there."}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "So we have denied territory with a lot"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "of the oceans."}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:52", "text": ">> I think they have to have a program"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "because they have nuclear subs and if"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "you have nuclear subs then you're going"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "to attract this stuff no matter what. Y"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "and that's you know I think it's a true"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "true above land. It's true below and"}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "then or underwater. And then they also"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:08", "text": "have this uh mountain range called the"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:11", "text": "Yamanto mountain range where they seem"}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "to study sort of extended electronamics"}, {"start": "00:38:11", "end": "00:38:13", "text": ">> like their Area 51."}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:14", "text": ">> It is it's a nickel mine. It's near"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "Kazakhstan."}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:19", "text": ">> That's the uh the dude who was on Ross"}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "Coltard's show. He had um there's this"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "lady. She was like this opera singer."}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:26", "text": ">> Her father was a janitor."}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:28", "text": ">> What she thought was a janitor. And then"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "when he died, he left her with like all"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "of these files"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:34", "text": ">> and it's a book filled with diagrams of"}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "UFOs and like trippy science."}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:40", "text": ">> And they refer to the UFO"}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:41", "text": ">> Gina."}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "That was fascinating. I was like, \"Oh my"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "gosh.\" Like, and you know, Ross told me"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:47", "text": "to this day,"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:49", "text": ">> no one's been like, \"Oh, that's fake.\""}, {"start": "00:38:47", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "Or like there was no there's been no"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:54", "text": "debunks. No. Well, the the Russians also"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "there's this great book by this guy Tom"}, {"start": "00:38:54", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "August um that talks about this um"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "basically great race to like take over"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "the tech of commtop like the secret Nazi"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "tech"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:07", "text": ">> and if you look at the Avroar project in"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "the US it was literally this like we"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "tested flying saucers that is not like"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "debatable"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:14", "text": ">> and there it just they couldn't fly due"}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "to this thing called the Kanda effect"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "but we got all these like guys from"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:22", "text": "commto the secret Nazi stuff like mita"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "Uh, and we stole all of Victor Schaer's"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:27", "text": "IP using army counterintel stuff. All of"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:29", "text": "these guys that were working on reported"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "flying saucers in Nazi Germany, we took"}, {"start": "00:39:29", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "over here through Avroar counter intel,"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "other other means. And so they I think"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "got a lot of this stuff too. Um, they"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "were called like the you know the"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "Habberal designs or the Habberal"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "project. And I think there is there are"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "exotic lineages of science in both in"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "both places. And then on the, you know,"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "are they interested in underwater stuff?"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "Uh, Dennis Asperg, uh, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "Baltic Sea anomaly said that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "the Russians had a presence out there."}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:39:59", "text": ">> Well, yeah. I mean, the Baltic Seas"}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "obviously of very strategic importance,"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "and it seems like they're interested in"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "this object underwater."}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:09", "text": ">> That makes sense."}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "Okay, number two. Oh, me?"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:13", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:13", "text": ">> Um, thank you."}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:14", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:17", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:20", "text": ">> Everything okay? Everything's delicious."}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:20", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:40:22", "end": "00:40:25", "text": ">> you know,"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "I don't know if I'd go towards,"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "you know, anybody that I don't know. Are"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "we This is living like living like we'd"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "have an opportunity to. I think Dan"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "Burrish."}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:39", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:43", "text": ">> Dan Burish would be a big And obviously,"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "you know, Bob Lazar is up there. I think"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "he's everyone's number one. Yeah. Um,"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "but Dan Burrish, I think because"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "he's limited himself"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:57", "text": ">> to not doing any of these interviews"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:59", "text": "ever, like, you know, since the early"}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:41:02", "text": "2000s when he came out,"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:04", "text": ">> I think he would probably have I I don't"}, {"start": "00:41:02", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "I don't even know how that would go"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "down. There's so many weird stories I"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "hear around Dan Burrish and like that"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:12", "text": "he's under house arrest"}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:14", "text": ">> somewhere in Canada and that like do not"}, {"start": "00:41:12", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "approach like he's being literally"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "babysat by like ex MJ12 like type cats"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "that you can't even get close to."}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:24", "text": ">> That's MJ12 guys are babysitting him"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:26", "text": ">> like"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:28", "text": ">> MJ12 deputies essentially"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": ">> like enforcement arm"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:33", "text": ">> like once you're out of the MJ12 scope"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:35", "text": ">> Mhm. um you're not allowed to just lead"}, {"start": "00:41:33", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "a normal life type deal. You're under"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "like like a mafia type strict"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "surveillance."}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:42", "text": ">> And so he's got like"}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:45", "text": ">> yeah that type of activity around"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:47", "text": ">> story is the one of the weirdest"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:48", "text": ">> so strange"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:51", "text": ">> cuz there there are things that like"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "corroborate other people's accounts"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "incredibly. There are credible, you"}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:58", "text": "know, um the fact that where was that"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "university that he went to to like do"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:02", "text": "the public speaking event on molecular"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "biology?"}, {"start": "00:42:02", "end": "00:42:04", "text": ">> I can't remember."}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:04", "text": ">> And that's on paper."}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:07", "text": ">> You know, like he was and and"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:09", "text": ">> you um it was Stonybrook."}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:12", "text": ">> Yeah. And then and which is, you know, a"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "place where a lot of really u bright"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "minds went to discuss things."}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:19", "text": ">> Extremely bright minds. It's like a"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "center of like really spooky physics, I"}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:22", "text": "think."}, {"start": "00:42:19", "end": "00:42:24", "text": ">> That's right. Yeah. So, and then"}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "afterwards to have his, you know,"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:30", "text": "schooling completely erased, not unlike"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:32", "text": "Bob Lazar where you can't track him, but"}, {"start": "00:42:30", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "we do have this talk that he did at this"}, {"start": "00:42:32", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "really prestigious, you know, um,"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "school. And so, you know, how do how do"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "people reconcile those two facts? like"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:44", "text": "you have really really interesting"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "cooperative evidence of this guy being"}, {"start": "00:42:44", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "who he says he is"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "even and then you know take it a little"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "further he also got into the program"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "kind of the same way that Bob did"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "through um"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:01", "text": ">> Edward Teller yeah Teller recruited him"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:04", "text": ">> and or according to him but and then"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "there's also I think a photo of him with"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "Mike McConnell"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:07", "text": ">> who's NSA director and Navy"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:09", "text": ">> admiral"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:11", "text": ">> yeah Clint from Night Shift is pretty"}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "posit positive on that, but I don't"}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "think it's conclusive yet."}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:15", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:16", "text": ">> But he's really high confidence on it."}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:16", "text": "But I don't I don't think it's been"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:18", "text": "definitive"}, {"start": "00:43:16", "end": "00:43:20", "text": ">> because this researcher Brian Jackson"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "says that McConnell viewed him like a"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "son. The son he never had"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:27", "text": ">> and then his son died in a weird way and"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "it's like they swapped souls or"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:30", "text": "something. And I I I don't know what to"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "make of it."}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:36", "text": ">> What's also interesting is that Bur"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:38", "text": "claimed that these these beings were"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "sort of us from the future, right? these"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "two different timelines that have like"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "separated and that both of them ended up"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "being these breakaway civilizations on,"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "you know, Zeta or whatever, Orion, and"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:56", "text": "that they're trying to help us steer"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "clear of what is like imminent doom for"}, {"start": "00:43:56", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "this planet,"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:01", "text": ">> which would have been having Hillary"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "Clinton elected."}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:04", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:06", "text": ">> Yeah. That's like that's the one thing"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "that would have like screwed our planet"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "up was having Hillary elected. Now if"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:11", "text": "you look at"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:13", "text": ">> Hillary and you know we talked to a lot"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "of people it seems like she was going to"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "be the disclosure. There were efforts to"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "do that"}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:22", "text": ">> right? So it kind of corroborates what"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "Dan was saying whereas like oh that"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "might have absolutely destroyed our"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "timeline"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:29", "text": ">> I have to say for some reason."}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:32", "text": ">> That is hilarious. It's like Hillary"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "Clinton is the apocalyptic."}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:35", "text": ">> Right. Right. And like Yeah. To no one's"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "surprise, I think."}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:37", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:39", "text": "Naturally."}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:41", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, and and what I mean,"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "there's probably an Epstein connection"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:43", "text": "to be made there, too."}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:44", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:46", "text": ">> You know, I'd be curious to know if"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:49", "text": "Epstein was interested at all in Dan"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "Burish or Bob Lazar."}, {"start": "00:44:49", "end": "00:44:51", "text": ">> We should search that."}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:52", "text": ">> We should search it up. Let's do it"}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:53", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:54", "text": ">> Okay. Jesse, could you pass me the"}, {"start": "00:44:53", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "ketchup, please?"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:55", "text": ">> I got you, brother."}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:56", "text": ">> Thank you, sir."}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:57", "text": ">> Cuz I mean,"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:44:59", "text": ">> just be careful."}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "Bob early 90s would have been like a"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:01", "text": "celebrity,"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:03", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:06", "text": ">> And this guy, you know, I've seen was"}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "obviously highly interested in trippy"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:10", "text": "physics."}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:13", "text": ">> So, would you tell me yesterday"}, {"start": "00:45:10", "end": "00:45:14", "text": ">> about like the Los Alamos scientist, the"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "physicist?"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:20", "text": ">> So, Epstein has like hours recorded with"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "this guy Steve Bannon who's probably a"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "spook himself"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:23", "text": ">> and you know,"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:25", "text": ">> he was like Trump's guy, right?"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:28", "text": ">> Trump's guy operative from the 20 from"}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "2016 era. And"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "they're talking and he goes, \"Why'd you,"}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "you know, put Zoro Ranch where it is in"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "New Mexico and he starts going on about"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "retired Los Alamos physicists physicists"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "being in the proximity"}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:44", "text": ">> and he want him wanting to have"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "conversations with these guys and you're"}, {"start": "00:45:44", "end": "00:45:48", "text": "like, \"What the fuck?\" Like, he was"}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "literally targeting our most sensitive"}, {"start": "00:45:48", "end": "00:45:53", "text": "programs. And by the way, Bill"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "Richardson, I think, was Secretary of"}, {"start": "00:45:53", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "Energy"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "um under Bill Clinton, I believe."}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:03", "text": ">> He was a Clinton crony for sure. And"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "like he was governor of New Mexico. And"}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "so I think that there's some sort of"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "connection there, too."}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": ">> Let's see. Let's see. Bob,"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": ">> there's a lot of Lazar. Uh but then like"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:15", "text": "there's this artist and Karen Lazar."}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "There's all these. So, I'm just going to"}, {"start": "00:46:15", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "look under Bob"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "Lazar."}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:23", "text": "Um, no results under Bob Lazar, but"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "plenty of results under just Lazar."}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:27", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:30", "text": ">> I'm sorry, Bob. I'm not trying to imply"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "that you know uh if you're listening if"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "they were speaking."}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:35", "text": ">> But if they were speaking about him as"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "well, because you know,"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:39", "text": ">> he he sends out feelers."}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:42", "text": ">> Look up look up Kazmir, which is zero"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:43", "text": "point energy cuz I I I've heard rumors"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "that Epstein was obsessed with the"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "Kazmir. K A Z I M I R"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:53", "text": ">> uh C A S I M I R."}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:56", "text": ">> Couldn't have been further."}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:56", "text": ">> Casemir"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "loading."}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "Oh, weird."}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:03", "text": ">> Come up."}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:03", "text": ">> No, it's just my phone just like bugged"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:05", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:06", "text": ">> Yeah, classic."}, {"start": "00:47:05", "end": "00:47:08", "text": ">> Wait,"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:08", "text": ">> when you look up Epstein's interest in"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "0.0,"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:11", "text": ">> dude, I'm telling you, everything's"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "frozen right now. I can't do anything on"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "my phone. That happened to me in my"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "McKinnon interview which hopefully will"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:18", "text": "be out by"}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Gary McKinnon."}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:21", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I filmed it. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "I was like, I can't. My phone is"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:24", "text": "completely frozen."}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:26", "text": ">> You got him to your studio."}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. That happened to me, too."}, {"start": "00:47:26", "end": "00:47:33", "text": ">> Uh, no. No. I went out to UK."}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:37", "text": ">> Try this one more time here."}, {"start": "00:47:33", "end": "00:47:39", "text": ">> Dude, I really look forward to that"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:39", "text": ">> so you can watch it."}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:41", "text": ">> It's out now."}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:42", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. It's out. I should watch it."}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:46", "text": ">> In the future now."}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:48", "text": ">> Um, it comes up a lot, but Anthony"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "Casemir is a name"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "and then Hernando Quellar Huxley Casmir."}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:54", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:57", "text": ">> And so these are all names."}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:57", "text": ">> No. C. What about Casemir effect? E FF"}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:01", "text": "ET."}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:48:01", "text": ">> I know how to spell fact, Jesse."}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:06", "text": ">> The T H."}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "Um, none."}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:08", "text": ">> What about anti-gravity? That's"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "interesting."}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> That would probably come out."}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:13", "text": ">> Let's see that."}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "Oh, gravity. He holds these gravity"}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:16", "text": "conferences or whatever, but"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:18", "text": ">> one result."}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:21", "text": ">> Okay. Where"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:24", "text": ">> pulling it up now."}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "So, from Robert [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:27", "text": ">> to Jeffrey Epstein."}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:30", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "um an exchange between so it starts with"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "um Jeffrey being like I deeply"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:36", "text": "appreciate your strong intention with"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "the bold interviews of the best"}, {"start": "00:48:36", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "physicists to be quote unquote closer to"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "the truth about our universe and its"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "basic physical mysteries."}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "Um below is my new JFizz published"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "article."}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "Oh this is Dr. Yuri Grieov, sorry about"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "that. I was wondering."}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:04", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:07", "text": "and then I guess uh Jeffrey was CCD on"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:08", "text": "this."}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:11", "text": ">> So this is going Yeah, they're talking"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "about breakthroughs and"}, {"start": "00:49:11", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "he goes, I waited years this"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "opportunity. My model predicts the"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "matter, antimatter, anti-gravity, etc."}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "that was simply stupidly forbidden to"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "publish in the most of uh in the most of"}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "distant physical journals. Why stupid?"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "Because this barrier existed without any"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:37", "text": "experimental verification of the"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "opposite case matter antimatter"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "attractive gravity. But now it is"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "published and you link his publication"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "which might be interesting to look into."}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:46", "text": ">> That is interesting. I wonder why he"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "says attractive gravity cuz that's what"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "gravity is. I think of repellent gravity"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "as being anti-gravity or something. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "well yeah, maybe A and B."}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:04", "text": ">> The Awave and the Bwave. Um,"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:06", "text": ">> and so then Robert [ __ ] writes and CC's"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "Jeffrey and says, \"As you know, Jeffrey"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "and Closer to the Truth,\" so it sounds"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "like an organization are collaborating"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:13", "text": "on a major series for PBS on"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "breakthroughs in mathematics and other"}, {"start": "00:50:13", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "areas. Uh, and we surely want to feature"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "you in one or more mathematics episodes"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:22", "text": "hopefully. So, okay. He was also It's"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:25", "text": "very strange."}, {"start": "00:50:22", "end": "00:50:28", "text": ">> We should look up closer to the truth."}, {"start": "00:50:25", "end": "00:50:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Griov is a physicist/art in"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "Germany with a idiosyncratic multiverse"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:37", "text": "theory. idiosyncratic multiverse theory."}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:40", "text": ">> Oh, one of my number one interviews. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "trans surfing reality. Vadim Zean. I"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "want to interview that guy so bad."}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:45", "text": ">> We talk about that a lot."}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:47", "text": ">> I love that book. And he's he's I think"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "people say he might be a collection of"}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:52", "text": "people. There's one photo of him with"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "these huge sunglasses on."}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:57", "text": ">> Nobody knows who he is. Disappeared."}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:58", "text": ">> Really? Oh, yeah. There isn't there."}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:00", "text": ">> No, I was thinking of Stalking the Wild"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "Pendulum. I'm thinking of the other guy."}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:04", "text": ">> He talk. He died in a plane crash."}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": ">> Yeah, he's probably Yeah, he's super"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "trippy. He's on an interview I watched"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "once and I was like, this guy kind of"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "like knows a lot."}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:09", "text": ">> He knows a ton."}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:12", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:14", "text": ">> he was like the Israeli version of Paric"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "and they were like very close and then"}, {"start": "00:51:14", "end": "00:51:19", "text": "Yeah. A lot of people said,"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:20", "text": ">> are you convinced Bharis wasn't also"}, {"start": "00:51:19", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "with ties to Israel? I mean, he was"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "working really closely with"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": ">> I think he was CIA and I think the CIA"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "and sad always been really close."}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Kind of buddy buddies."}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:32", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:34", "text": ">> That's an interesting cat, too."}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:37", "text": ">> Extremely interesting. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:40", "text": ">> All right. What about you, Gerb? Number"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "two."}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "This will be another kind of boring one"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:46", "text": "compared to what you guys said, but"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:49", "text": "It would be a man by the name of uh"}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:51", "text": "Edward C. Aldrich, also known as Pete"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "Aldrich. This guy was"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:53", "text": ">> no."}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:55", "text": ">> We talked a little bit about it last"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:57", "text": "night, but this guy was a secretary of"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "the Air Force and under secretary of the"}, {"start": "00:51:57", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "Air Force."}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:03", "text": ">> His CV is equatable only to somebody"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "like Bobby Rayman or Donald Kerr. I"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:07", "text": "mean, this guy was CEO of the aerospace"}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "corporation. He was"}, {"start": "00:52:07", "end": "00:52:13", "text": ">> Taylor. He was a senior I think board"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "member at LTB Aerospace which was"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "eventually transitioned to E Systems"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:18", "text": "which was a CIA shell company and then"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "bought out by Rathon."}, {"start": "00:52:18", "end": "00:52:23", "text": ">> But as far as I understand it, Edward C."}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:25", "text": "Aldridge was pretty instrumental during"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "his time as under secretary of the air"}, {"start": "00:52:25", "end": "00:52:30", "text": "force for helping programs kind of morph"}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "uh legacy programs and take advantage of"}, {"start": "00:52:30", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "expanding SAP security controls to kind"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "of hide itself within other programs and"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "program cover offices."}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:41", "text": "And there's actually a a very real"}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "tangible observation of this. Um I can't"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "believe this is unclassified, but if if"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "you find a document called the history"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "of SAFA, which is the administrative"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "assistant to the secretary of the air"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:52", "text": "force, which is a pretty high level"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "position within the air force,"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "specifically the headquarters of the Air"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "Force, um there were what was known as"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "outside activities within the SAFA and"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:06", "text": "these were created in Pete Aldridge's"}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "time. uh not necessarily created but"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "kind of morphed in Pete Aldridge's time"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "which was a collection of air force"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "activities that existed outside of the"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "air force that the air force had"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "administrative and operational control"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "over."}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "Now, the interesting thing about this is"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:22", "text": "these programs that were stuffed under"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "SAF AAA, the administrative assistant to"}, {"start": "00:53:22", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "the Secretary of the Air Force by"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "Aldrich, bypassed the SAF AA's uh"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:32", "text": "special access program oversight"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "channels, which is the SAF A um SA H A,"}, {"start": "00:53:32", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "sorry, I mean SAF AAZ, my mistake, which"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "is infoite."}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, me too. I was actually"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "offended. And so that that's like a"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:45", "text": "that's like a big that's like a big"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "light bulb going off that under um"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "Aldridge he kind of morphed these"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "outside activities under cover offices"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:53", "text": "that bypass traditional special access"}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "program oversight channels."}, {"start": "00:53:53", "end": "00:53:56", "text": ">> That's like a really big like red alert"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:53:58", "text": "that that"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:01", "text": ">> where did you get that information from?"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "from that uh public history and that was"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "doing stuff for my Air Force video which"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:08", "text": "a lot of it talked about SAF AA"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:09", "text": ">> because that SAF AA position two senior"}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:12", "text": "positions there a man by the name of"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:14", "text": "Russell Eeiler and William E. Mccclure"}, {"start": "00:54:12", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "are likely one of them is likely the"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "gatekeeper that Chris Melon was talking"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "about back in 2024. Do you remember when"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "Chris Melon postman"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:23", "text": ">> Yes. Do you remember when Chris Melon"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "took to Twitter he posted an image in"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "response to Sean Kirkpatrick leaking"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "Chris Melon and Kirkpatrick signal DMs?"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "was um Chris Melon talking to a senior"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:33", "text": "USG official and saying, \"Hey, I think"}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "we tracked down the SCES, senior"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "executive service gatekeeper in the Air"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:38", "text": "Force, named redacted thanks to some"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:41", "text": "work by like a good guy named Alex Katz"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "and myself. It's either um former SAF"}, {"start": "00:54:41", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "AHA, Sensitive Activities, Russell"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "Wiler, or AAZ William E. Mccclure most"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "likely.\""}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:51", "text": ">> So, it's really interesting there. It it"}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "I would love to of course he wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "speak about it but to understand"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:57", "text": ">> um that that role under"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:01", "text": ">> be like no comment."}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:02", "text": ">> No comment. You got me. No comment."}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:03", "text": ">> I've had a couple of those."}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:05", "text": ">> Yeah. I think one of the big"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "conversations that needs to happen next,"}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "at least in my lane with the legacy"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "programs, is finding out how they"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "morphed and evolved from what you could"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:13", "text": "consider the Manhattan Project 2.0 to a"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "blind man touching the elephant."}, {"start": "00:55:13", "end": "00:55:17", "text": ">> Yeah. And I think that's a very critical"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "uh milestone"}, {"start": "00:55:17", "end": "00:55:21", "text": ">> and and why there are no physicists."}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "Again, this also should be out. There's"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "a there's this video I just did with"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:27", "text": "Eric Weinstein and Eric Davis and Eric"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "Weinstein is like, \"You're telling me"}, {"start": "00:55:27", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "these crafts break physics and there are"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "no physicists on the program.\" And Eric"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:35", "text": "Davis goes, \"Yeah, I checked with the"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:38", "text": "guy, you know, I was exploring this"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "through NIDS and, you know, and and OAP"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "and, you know, met with a lot of these"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "people. met with five people on the"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "crash retrieval program and they all"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:46", "text": "said it was just material scientists and"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "no physicists and and Weinstein I think"}, {"start": "00:55:46", "end": "00:55:51", "text": "rightly so is like I know like some of"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "the smartest people in the country and"}, {"start": "00:55:51", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "they have no idea any of this stuff is"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "real like why are you if you're like"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "struggling to get it to work at least in"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "its most vital form the way it was"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:03", "text": "working as the NHI had it working or"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "what whatever"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:08", "text": ">> there what's the reason"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:10", "text": ">> there is no good re it's actually like a"}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "brain deadad policy If you had to think"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:15", "text": "of a reason, what would it be?"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:18", "text": ">> They're afraid. They're afraid of some"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "like shifting tech gets out of hand."}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "Everybody has a hold of it."}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:24", "text": ">> It would be something like with the"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:27", "text": "invention of the atom bomb, not only did"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "like instrumental like experimental"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "physics become dangerous, but"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "theoretical physics itself became"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "extremely dangerous."}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:34", "text": ">> Yeah. And and compartmentalized,"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:35", "text": "you know, certain"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:37", "text": ">> science itself."}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:39", "text": ">> Exactly. literally like the top like the"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:41", "text": "top layer of like you know think think"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "of theoretical physics as like the guard"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "rails to reality like they literally and"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "this is the kind of narrative somewhat"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:52", "text": "is like string theory was pushed out as"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "like a limited hangout where like you"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "bump up against the right stuff and they"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "farm you out and maybe that then they"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "you know"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:02", "text": ">> I see they work with you they think"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:05", "text": "Renaissance Technologies this uh hedge"}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "fund that this guy Jim Simons who"}, {"start": "00:57:05", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "contributed to fundamental physics with"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:12", "text": "the churn Simons equation and also was"}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "an NSA codereaker and then starts this"}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "hedge fund called the medallion fund"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:17", "text": "which does 30% year-over-year returns"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:18", "text": "since 1989. Literally made hundred"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:22", "text": "billion dollars."}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:25", "text": ">> Oh my god, you say yeah. Yeah, exactly."}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:27", "text": "And has the collection of like uh it has"}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:29", "text": "all the colle the the most differential"}, {"start": "00:57:27", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "geometers in the country. They all go"}, {"start": "00:57:29", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "there and you have to sign an NDA for"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "life once you go and you're you're like"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "you're in or you're out sort of thing."}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:39", "text": "And then Stony Brook he oversees he he"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:41", "text": "was Stony Brook and he also over saw"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:43", "text": "Brook Haven National Labs. So it was"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "this kind of iron triangle. And then the"}, {"start": "00:57:43", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "guy uh David Spurggle is the guy who"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "runs the Simons Foundation and he did"}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "the NASA UAP review panel. He [ __ ]"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:55", "text": "was in charge of it in 2022."}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:56", "text": ">> There's a lot of crazy connections."}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:57:58", "text": ">> I mean"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:57:59", "text": ">> the interesting thing is it's crazy."}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:00", "text": ">> Holy."}, {"start": "00:57:59", "end": "00:58:02", "text": ">> It seems like the programs used to have"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "top minds and physicists, right?"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Like a premium example of that we"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "were talking about um with with Kingman"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "like Jesse said but that Chris Melon"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "exchange is um Dr. Ed Dah."}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:14", "text": ">> Dr. Ed Dah was a primary figure named in"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:17", "text": "the Kingman crash by primary witness"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:19", "text": "Arthur Stansel Jr. and um Dr. Ed D was a"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "premier physicist that you know worked"}, {"start": "00:58:19", "end": "00:58:22", "text": "on the Manhattan project and according"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "to Stansel was a was a a pretty"}, {"start": "00:58:22", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "important figure to the early efforts of"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "legacy programs. He would go on to serve"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:32", "text": "as like executive senior VP for TRW on"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:34", "text": "their mission uh systems group uh"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "component and so forth. So it seems like"}, {"start": "00:58:34", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "over time that that that"}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:40", "text": ">> yeah mid-century had a lot of had a lot"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:42", "text": "of these guys and then something"}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:45", "text": "happened to where they were like we"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "cannot have these guys and so I wonder"}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:49", "text": "what that was whether that's an event"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "you know some type of leak or whether it"}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "was just the um you know taking that"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:56", "text": "information projecting it forward and"}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:58:58", "text": "being like what happens if this gets"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:58:59", "text": "into the wrong hands type deal and we"}, {"start": "00:58:58", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "need to really clamp on this and the"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:03", "text": "only way we can do that is to have"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "people who don't understand what they're"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "looking at look at this stuff"}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:07", "text": ">> because otherwise it breaks reality for"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:10", "text": "everyone."}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:12", "text": ">> And the number one string theorist over"}, {"start": "00:59:10", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "the last 50 years is a guy named Ed"}, {"start": "00:59:12", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "Whitten. He's known as like the Michael"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:17", "text": "Jordan of string theory. Like he's so"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "much more advanced and smarter than"}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:23", "text": "anyone else. His father was working on"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:24", "text": "anti-gravity at Martin Corporation's RAS"}, {"start": "00:59:23", "end": "00:59:27", "text": "division, which was literally their"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "their anti-gravity division group. and"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:31", "text": "he's on he's giving an interview for the"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "uh I think American Institute of Physics"}, {"start": "00:59:31", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "and he's on video saying Wright Airfield"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "commissioned me to do gravity and now if"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "you email him he's like 103 or"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:43", "text": "something. He goes I can't talk about"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "that. I'm so sorry. It is wild."}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:47", "text": ">> Funny you mentioned Michael Jordan"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "because I am the I am to string theory"}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "what Michael Jordan is to string theory."}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "me too."}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:58", "text": ">> Me as well."}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:10", "text": ">> Okay, Jesse, number three. Who's your"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:12", "text": "Who's your third?"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:13", "text": ">> Before we get to number three, I got a"}, {"start": "01:00:12", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "question for both. Have you ever had to"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "cut something out of a podcast?"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:22", "text": ">> Yeah. based on like classified stuff."}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:24", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:25", "text": ">> they said you can't put that in there"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:27", "text": "because it's classified."}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:27", "text": ">> I went too far. I shouldn't have said"}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:00:27", "end": "01:00:33", "text": ">> No, no. I've cut stuff out out of out of"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "my what I perceive as my own safety uh"}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:35", "text": "lines to cross that I don't really want"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:36", "text": "to attract the eye of certain"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "individuals"}, {"start": "01:00:36", "end": "01:00:38", "text": ">> of your own self."}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:40", "text": ">> Yeah. So, not"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:42", "text": ">> because I don't really do that."}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:43", "text": ">> No, but I I've cut stuff out like of"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:45", "text": "what I say at the end."}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:46", "text": ">> So, while editing, you're listening to"}, {"start": "01:00:45", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "yourself and you go, \"Wait a second.\""}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:49", "text": ">> Yeah. like maybe I shouldn't do this."}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:50", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:51", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:53", "text": ">> It's happened quite it happens."}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:54", "text": ">> I mean, think about the [ __ ] that he"}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "know where it's like, you know, he's"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "like"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:00:57", "text": ">> I get it."}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:00:57", "text": ">> Everything's like a shot across the bow,"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:01", "text": ">> but he's also so bold in these videos"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "that I can't imagine what he's holding"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:02", "text": "back."}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:01:02", "end": "01:01:07", "text": ">> Like a good example is um in the in the"}, {"start": "01:01:05", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "Air Force project, I I put forward the"}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "name Terry Phillips as the gatekeeper"}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "people should know in the same sentence"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:13", "text": "as Glen Gaffne. Right."}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:16", "text": ">> Right. Yeah. There's other names there"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "that right now I just I do am a little"}, {"start": "01:01:16", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "too worried to talk about"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:21", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:24", "text": ">> because they're bad people. Terry"}, {"start": "01:01:21", "end": "01:01:25", "text": "Phillips is POS a real bastard. But uh"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:27", "text": "maybe"}, {"start": "01:01:25", "end": "01:01:28", "text": ">> what does that acronym stand for?"}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:30", "text": ">> Hey, I don't have a fest on the channel."}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:32", "text": ">> It might be the only."}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:34", "text": ">> But yeah, just uh stuff that I kind of"}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:36", "text": "worry if I put out there I'll either"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "attract the eye of people I don't want"}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "to attract um and and kind of take their"}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:44", "text": "fire or I'm just kind of worried for for"}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "myself. I would not assume that they"}, {"start": "01:01:44", "end": "01:01:48", "text": "haven't heard about you."}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:48", "text": ">> That's true. They they"}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:50", "text": "have."}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:51", "text": ">> How about you?"}, {"start": "01:01:50", "end": "01:01:54", "text": ">> There"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "is one instance I can think of where"}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:01:59", "text": "somebody was like uh this would like"}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:01", "text": "endanger lives if you put this out. And"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "it's like and it was like a I think it"}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "was like a reasonable"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:05", "text": ">> Who was the guest? Can you say the guest"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "list?"}, {"start": "01:02:05", "end": "01:02:09", "text": ">> I I don't know. I feel I feel No, I feel"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:13", "text": "like if I No, it wasn't. But I feel like"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:14", "text": "if I said it would be him."}, {"start": "01:02:13", "end": "01:02:15", "text": ">> What's that?"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:15", "text": ">> People would blow him up."}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:16", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:21", "text": ">> So it's to him."}, {"start": "01:02:16", "end": "01:02:22", "text": ">> Yeah. Like not that many female but"}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:22", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:24", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:27", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. But and then"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:31", "text": ">> the lives of of whom? Of the people"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:32", "text": "involved in what he was talking about."}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:34", "text": ">> Anywhere near it."}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I you know I don't know"}, {"start": "01:02:34", "end": "01:02:37", "text": ">> how many syllables in their name."}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:39", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:44", "text": ">> I don't know. and then and then a couple"}, {"start": "01:02:39", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "of other times, but uh you never know if"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:48", "text": "it's classified, you know, like if it's"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:48", "text": "like because it's classified or"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:49", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:51", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:52", "text": ">> I' I've had to cut out something."}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:02:52", "end": "01:02:54", "text": ">> John Ramirez."}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:55", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:59", "text": ">> Yeah. It was the only time I've ever had"}, {"start": "01:02:55", "end": "01:03:00", "text": "to cut out something. You know, I I've I"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "haven't done that many government"}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "officials. I haven't had that many"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "government officials that I know of. Um,"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "but you know, Lou was one I got to say"}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "that like when he went in, he's like,"}, {"start": "01:03:08", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "\"You ask me anything, I don't want any"}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "of the questions beforehand. Um, and"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:15", "text": "I'll respond how I can respond.\""}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:17", "text": "Although he was very evasive in a lot of"}, {"start": "01:03:15", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "the questioning."}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:19", "text": ">> He didn't He never asked me to cut"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "anything out."}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:22", "text": ">> And he has a playbook of responses."}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:23", "text": ">> That's right. Yeah. And you can tell"}, {"start": "01:03:22", "end": "01:03:24", "text": "when you listen to it. A lot of people"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:25", "text": "just roll their eyes halfway through."}, {"start": "01:03:24", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "They're like, \"We're not getting"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:29", "text": "anything out of this guy.\" They type."}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "Um, but John Ramirez did. There was"}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "there was things that we touched on and"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "uh this was around the time Matt Brown"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "had come out with the Immaculate"}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "Constellation document. So you can"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "extrapolate from that what you will. I"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "won't get into it, but there was some"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "discussions there that uh he had to"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:50", "text": "double check."}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:03:50", "end": "01:03:53", "text": ">> And got back to me with a negative."}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "Yeah, I have to. He's like, I'm not sure"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:03:55", "text": "about this. Let me just check. And when"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:57", "text": "he got back, he's like, no, 100% you got"}, {"start": "01:03:55", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "to cut that out. He's like, I was told"}, {"start": "01:03:57", "end": "01:04:01", "text": "Sternly cannot talk about this."}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:03", "text": ">> Which which is interesting because of"}, {"start": "01:04:01", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "course his part was cut out of the age"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "of disclosure, right? And I know he"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:07", "text": "talked about the same things on Age of"}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "Disclosure."}, {"start": "01:04:07", "end": "01:04:10", "text": ">> Ah, that's probably why."}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:12", "text": ">> Oh, interesting."}, {"start": "01:04:10", "end": "01:04:14", "text": ">> Also, cuz he start he he does get into"}, {"start": "01:04:12", "end": "01:04:16", "text": "it's it's intelligence. It's related to"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:16", "text": "intelligence gathering, which is what he"}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "did his whole life."}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:20", "text": ">> It's an asymmetric capability."}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:21", "text": ">> Exactly. And it's very sensitive."}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:23", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:25", "text": ">> Uh and something being used currently."}, {"start": "01:04:23", "end": "01:04:26", "text": "So it's probably it's literally national"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "security reasonable."}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:30", "text": ">> Yeah. Nothing to do with like spooky UFO"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "stuff, but I mean potentially a little"}, {"start": "01:04:30", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "bit adjacently, but yeah."}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:37", "text": ">> Okay. Number three. Number three."}, {"start": "01:04:35", "end": "01:04:39", "text": ">> I got to thank you guys. You guys go"}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:41", "text": "first."}, {"start": "01:04:39", "end": "01:04:42", "text": ">> I'll think"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:43", "text": "all time."}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:46", "text": ">> I would do I would want to interview the"}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:47", "text": "Pope."}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:50", "text": ">> It's a good one. The current one."}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:50", "text": ">> Yeah. I I actually have a crazy story. I"}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:52", "text": "would"}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:52", "text": ">> Leo, too. He's He's an American. He's an"}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "American."}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:54", "text": ">> Be a fun podcast."}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:56", "text": ">> And there's just all this stuff around"}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "the Vatican knowing"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:05:00", "text": ">> stuff about UFOs."}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:00", "text": ">> Having a slice of Chicago deep dish with"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:01", "text": "him."}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:01", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:02", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:05", "text": ">> Sick."}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:07", "text": ">> Yeah, it would be sick. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:11", "text": ">> that's a that's that's a great one."}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:13", "text": ">> And and like I just think there's so"}, {"start": "01:05:11", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "there's the magenta crash like was under"}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "you know I think was it Pope Pas"}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:19", "text": ">> Pope Pas the 12th"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:21", "text": ">> the 12th like it was like you know under"}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:23", "text": "his jurisdiction and so and then he"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:25", "text": "helped back channel this the information"}, {"start": "01:05:23", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "back to FDR. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:26", "text": ">> After the war."}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:29", "text": ">> Because he would have been you know part"}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "of the axis"}, {"start": "01:05:29", "end": "01:05:31", "text": ">> during the crash."}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:32", "text": ">> Totally."}, {"start": "01:05:31", "end": "01:05:33", "text": ">> After the crash. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Done. Thank you. And then you have"}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "Pulka talking about access to the"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "Vatican archives and you know her going"}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "with Tim Taylor and hinting that they"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:43", "text": "know much more than meets the eye."}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "You're all good."}, {"start": "01:05:43", "end": "01:05:47", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:51", "text": ">> No. and and the whole you know you look"}, {"start": "01:05:47", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "at the institution and you look at"}, {"start": "01:05:51", "end": "01:05:54", "text": "obviously like we'd mentioned like you'd"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:56", "text": "mentioned like with Diana like a lot of"}, {"start": "01:05:54", "end": "01:05:59", "text": "the research and the words they use and"}, {"start": "01:05:56", "end": "01:06:01", "text": "stuff that was potentially changed in"}, {"start": "01:05:59", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "the translation to sort of mask a lot of"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:04", "text": "this stuff like the word cloud"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:08", "text": "apparently"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:10", "text": ">> um was actually like uh object or"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "something and like and so they replaced"}, {"start": "01:06:10", "end": "01:06:16", "text": "it with cloud and"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:17", "text": ">> Roman flaming blazing Roman shields or"}, {"start": "01:06:16", "end": "01:06:20", "text": "drums and whatnot"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:23", "text": ">> and then and they have in um the I think"}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "it's like the rough translation is like"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "uh St. Ann's Cathedral, there's once a"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "year with within the grounds of the"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "Vatican, there is a UFO research group"}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "that meets up"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:35", "text": ">> and discusses this stuff."}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:37", "text": ">> I So I went I'm I'm coming out with a"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "Vatican and UFOs documentary about the"}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:41", "text": "Magenta crash. And I interviewed"}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:43", "text": "Marone's grandson who says that Maronei"}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "was part of RS33"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:49", "text": "and this is this is the most"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "embarrassing part of So I I I'm in the"}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "Vatican as part of this like, you know,"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:55", "text": "event. It's like some like"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:06:57", "text": "interdisciplinary faith thing or"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "whatever that I was invited to."}, {"start": "01:06:57", "end": "01:07:00", "text": ">> How did you get access to this?"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:04", "text": ">> So, this dude that reached out around my"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "Peru mummies dock was connected with um"}, {"start": "01:07:04", "end": "01:07:07", "text": "Kiran Iliam Xenov."}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:09", "text": ">> Yeah. The president"}, {"start": "01:07:07", "end": "01:07:12", "text": ">> the president and"}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:14", "text": ">> Micronia or whatever. I forget the"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:15", "text": ">> of Calia. Please get it right."}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:17", "text": ">> So, my apologies."}, {"start": "01:07:15", "end": "01:07:19", "text": ">> They are a population of 300,000 and"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:19", "text": "they're beautiful people. So,"}, {"start": "01:07:19", "end": "01:07:22", "text": ">> nothing."}, {"start": "01:07:19", "end": "01:07:25", "text": ">> No, definitely not. and"}, {"start": "01:07:22", "end": "01:07:26", "text": "and he got this like elaborate beautiful"}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "so he was also president of the world"}, {"start": "01:07:26", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "chess federation feday which is like"}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "being president of FIFA you meet"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "everyone"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:34", "text": ">> and he's the man he's the nicest coolest"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "guy I bonded with him like I was like"}, {"start": "01:07:34", "end": "01:07:40", "text": "this guy's so cool and um you know maybe"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "you know they have different standards"}, {"start": "01:07:40", "end": "01:07:45", "text": "of you know he might he might not have"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "done everything above board as dictator"}, {"start": "01:07:45", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "of his country I'm not going to like you"}, {"start": "01:07:47", "end": "01:07:51", "text": "know comment on that but to me he That"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:53", "text": "was one of the most groundbreaking"}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:55", "text": "episodes that I've ever seen. Just like"}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:58", "text": "on another note, I'll let you finish,"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:08:01", "text": "but that was insane, dude. The seeing"}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:04", "text": "you up there on like some type of"}, {"start": "01:08:01", "end": "01:08:08", "text": "political throne next to like this"}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:09", "text": "president, you know, it dude, it it's so"}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:11", "text": "so so surreal to see."}, {"start": "01:08:09", "end": "01:08:13", "text": ">> And he said so many insane things in"}, {"start": "01:08:11", "end": "01:08:14", "text": "that interview. So many insane."}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:16", "text": ">> He said he spent a ton of time with"}, {"start": "01:08:14", "end": "01:08:17", "text": "Kissinger and Kissinger seemed to know a"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "lot about the UFO stuff."}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:22", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. and he said that there was a"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "president of another country who he was"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:25", "text": "friends with who got abducted on a"}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "fishing trip but was afraid to speak"}, {"start": "01:08:25", "end": "01:08:31", "text": "about it and I'm like I know this guy's"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "not you know maybe maybe there's like a"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "little bit of embellishment going on or"}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "something there's he's not lying"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:40", "text": ">> he's not lying event there and and and"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "more more than his own experience is"}, {"start": "01:08:40", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "these little interactions with other"}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "world leaders and stuff that really goes"}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "like oh this is just a boy club"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:49", "text": ">> yes"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:50", "text": ">> of like of information. Like these guys"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:52", "text": "love"}, {"start": "01:08:50", "end": "01:08:55", "text": ">> sort of sharing these little winks at"}, {"start": "01:08:52", "end": "01:08:56", "text": "each other. Oh yeah, there's bodies."}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:08:58", "text": ">> Like this type of deal. Like it really"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:08:59", "text": "cements that for me when I watched that"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "interview. I was like, \"Oh yeah, once"}, {"start": "01:08:59", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "you're in, you're in.\""}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:03", "text": ">> To totally, totally."}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Anyways,"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:09", "text": ">> so yeah. So, okay. So, this guy who"}, {"start": "01:09:06", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "hooked me up with that interview. He uh"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:14", "text": "was So, so yeah. So he had this this"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "invite to this Vatican event or whatever"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "and it was like faiths of all you know"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "it was like every religion or whatever"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "representatives would go or whatever and"}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:22", "text": "Kiran was there and he had this big"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:24", "text": "chess piece that he wanted to give to"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "the pope and the pope ended up like kind"}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:27", "text": "of scurrying off and then"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:28", "text": ">> not a fan of chess."}, {"start": "01:09:27", "end": "01:09:29", "text": ">> What's that?"}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:31", "text": ">> Not a fan of chess or"}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:33", "text": ">> um Yeah. Not a fan of chess apparently"}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "and didn't care. Yeah. Yeah. No, he"}, {"start": "01:09:33", "end": "01:09:38", "text": "didn't like engage with anybody. And um"}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "but then there are some people like left"}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:41", "text": "over from the event like who were in it,"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:43", "text": "you know, some official looking"}, {"start": "01:09:41", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "cardinals or whatever who are walking"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "kind of the grounds and like shaking"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:50", "text": "hands or whatever. And so um dude that"}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:53", "text": "invited me and Kissan are like huddled"}, {"start": "01:09:50", "end": "01:09:57", "text": "up there and I see them talking to one"}, {"start": "01:09:53", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "of them. And so I go up and uh shake the"}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:01", "text": "guy's hand briefly like you know meet"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "him for a second and he gives him the"}, {"start": "01:10:01", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "chest piece because he's a"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:07", "text": "representative of the pope and then they"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "kind of walk off and then somebody comes"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:10", "text": "to me after he goes you know who that"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:14", "text": "was you shook you know you whose hand"}, {"start": "01:10:10", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "you shook I go no he goes that was the"}, {"start": "01:10:14", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "uh cardinal secretary of state which is"}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "the number two to the pope and has more"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:24", "text": "political power than the pope the pope"}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:25", "text": "is like the figure And this is like this"}, {"start": "01:10:24", "end": "01:10:27", "text": "like the dick a complete fumble. I kept"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "asking him about UFOs, but I don't I"}, {"start": "01:10:27", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "don't know what the guy's face looks"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:31", "text": "like, you know?"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:32", "text": ">> Yeah, you don't have a set of trading"}, {"start": "01:10:31", "end": "01:10:36", "text": "cards with all the cards on."}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:38", "text": ">> No, I don't. And so I So I I'm like, \"Oh"}, {"start": "01:10:36", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "shit.\" And then I'm like in the back of"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "my head, I'm like, \"Well, at least he"}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:43", "text": "probably doesn't know anything about"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:46", "text": "UFOs.\" And then I find out like a week"}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:49", "text": "or two later that like in certain"}, {"start": "01:10:46", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "instances he's expressed interest in"}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "UFOs."}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:51", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:52", "text": ">> but you know what?"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:53", "text": ">> Something. What's that?"}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:10:54", "text": ">> He knows something."}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:55", "text": ">> He knows something."}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:58", "text": ">> Something of interest."}, {"start": "01:10:55", "end": "01:11:02", "text": ">> And so, but anyways, I I still I wanna I"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:04", "text": "want to interview one of you."}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:06", "text": ">> One of the red guys or the white guy."}, {"start": "01:11:04", "end": "01:11:08", "text": ">> That's That's a really good Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:11:06", "end": "01:11:09", "text": ">> I can't wait for that doc."}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:10", "text": ">> Yeah, it's going to be fun."}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:12", "text": ">> Super exciting."}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:13", "text": ">> It's going to be cool."}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:15", "text": ">> Oh, man. Yeah, especially cuz since you"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "made the reverse of that dock with the"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:21", "text": "sort of like Satan worshipping rocket"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "builders."}, {"start": "01:11:21", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "you have like the dichotomy here which"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:28", "text": "is really interesting. I would I would"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "also have a religious figure. Um but"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:31", "text": "mine would be"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:33", "text": ">> the I heard about you know this"}, {"start": "01:11:31", "end": "01:11:35", "text": "Carthusian monk"}, {"start": "01:11:33", "end": "01:11:35", "text": ">> that apparently lives in like uh"}, {"start": "01:11:35", "end": "01:11:37", "text": "Vermont."}, {"start": "01:11:35", "end": "01:11:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Where did we hear that?"}, {"start": "01:11:37", "end": "01:11:39", "text": ">> John Stewart."}, {"start": "01:11:38", "end": "01:11:40", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I remember that"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "when he was on your podcast."}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:44", "text": ">> Yeah. And a lot of people are going to"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:46", "text": "roll their eyes at the at the sound of"}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "this guy's name. John Stewart. I love"}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:51", "text": "the guy. I think he's fun. Um he's"}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "hilarious and he's got gumption and he"}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:54", "text": "just doesn't give a [ __ ] you know, and"}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "he even considers himself a useful"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:11:57", "text": "idiot. Yeah. Which I think is like it's"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:11:59", "text": "a refreshing take."}, {"start": "01:11:57", "end": "01:12:01", "text": ">> It is refreshing. No, it's it's better"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:03", "text": "than the people who don't know."}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:04", "text": ">> That's right. It's like I disagree with"}, {"start": "01:12:03", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "John on a lot, but I love to get dinner"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:08", "text": "with him. He just seems like somebody"}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:10", "text": "who who you would enjoy spending time"}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "around in a personal setting."}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:13", "text": ">> Definitely. And he and he's a showman."}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "Obviously, he's ex wrestler, politician,"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "car salesman,"}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:17", "text": ">> car salesman. He li"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:19", "text": ">> I was up late last night cuz he has this"}, {"start": "01:12:17", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "video he came out with saying Whitley"}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "Streamer is a CIA agent. He goes, \"This"}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:25", "text": "is going to break the internet news of"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:29", "text": "2026.\" And you find out that he's"}, {"start": "01:12:25", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "quoting William Cooper a pale horse. I"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "text I texted Whitley. I was like, \"Is"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:37", "text": "this legit, dude?\" And he's like, he"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "goes, \"That's absolutely nuts.\" And like"}, {"start": "01:12:37", "end": "01:12:40", "text": "And Whitley saying, \"It's absolutely"}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "nuts.\" You mean it's absolutely nuts?"}, {"start": "01:12:40", "end": "01:12:43", "text": ">> How many times did John refer to himself"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:45", "text": "in the third person?"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:49", "text": ">> I have a lot."}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "He was wearing an orange jump on"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:53", "text": ">> but your episode with him was amazing"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:55", "text": "and I think it showed how deep at least"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "in that isolated context the alien"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "interview."}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:12:58", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:13:00", "text": ">> that guy knows his [ __ ] He's done a lot"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:02", "text": "of leg work on that specific video and"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "probably uncovered, you know,"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "potentially some of the most"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:08", "text": ">> I mean he he he he came up with a list"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:10", "text": "of names that were in that room, you"}, {"start": "01:13:08", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "know, and those names he then"}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "independently sought to verify one by"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:17", "text": "one and was met every single time with"}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:20", "text": "either a I'm not talking about this,"}, {"start": "01:13:17", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "don't call here again or uh you know"}, {"start": "01:13:20", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "that was my husband, he would never talk"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:25", "text": "about work. So, it was it was really"}, {"start": "01:13:23", "end": "01:13:26", "text": "interesting. Like you looked at it and"}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "you go, \"Oh, there's definitely uh"}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "something here.\" Um, but then he"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "mentions these. So, apparently how this"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "goes down is the uh CIA or the DIA at"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "the time hires remote viewers"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:44", "text": ">> to remote view, you know, targets or"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "whatever. Now, they're getting pulled in"}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:49", "text": "the direction of this monastery in"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "northeastern United States. Um, and this"}, {"start": "01:13:49", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "tall, this sort of big white building is"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:54", "text": "what they're saying. And something"}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:57", "text": "you're seeing is the people that are"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:13:58", "text": "there are going to help you. Those are"}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:00", "text": "the people you need, right? So, they"}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:01", "text": "were sought out by first of all, remote"}, {"start": "01:14:00", "end": "01:14:02", "text": "viewers. Now, I reached out to Joe"}, {"start": "01:14:01", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "McMongle about this cuz that would have"}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "been roughly around his time. Uh, he"}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:09", "text": "said it rings a bell. He would get back"}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:13", "text": "to me and he got back to me and he was"}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:15", "text": "like, \"No, we u we were actually tasked"}, {"start": "01:14:13", "end": "01:14:17", "text": "for a monastery in that area, but it had"}, {"start": "01:14:15", "end": "01:14:19", "text": "something to do with like hauntings,"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:21", "text": "which is also really trippy.\" WA."}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:24", "text": ">> Um, and I think it had to do with it was"}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:26", "text": "like it was a private thing. It wasn't"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:29", "text": "like a government thing. Um, so it was"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:32", "text": "like post uh Stargate. But regardless,"}, {"start": "01:14:29", "end": "01:14:34", "text": "he said these two two they took six of"}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:36", "text": "them and they had them work as"}, {"start": "01:14:34", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "counterintel"}, {"start": "01:14:36", "end": "01:14:41", "text": ">> um sort of remote viewers and train them"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "and then two of them were really"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "talented and those two were flown out to"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "S4 apparently um meant to communicate"}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:51", "text": "with this being. And so John said he has"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:53", "text": "a guy on the inside. He won't tell me"}, {"start": "01:14:51", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "his name. And I've I like credit to him"}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:14:57", "text": "because I've in person to just give me"}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:14:59", "text": "the name. Like give me give me"}, {"start": "01:14:57", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "something, dude. I got to go. I I got to"}, {"start": "01:14:59", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "go see this guy. Um I find out the name"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "of the monk. Um but not the name of the"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:09", "text": "person who interviewed the monk. So that"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "part still is a little nebulous, but"}, {"start": "01:15:09", "end": "01:15:13", "text": "apparently this monk is like 90 some"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "years old. he's in good health, still"}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:17", "text": "alive, and spilled the beans and said,"}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "\"Yeah.\""}, {"start": "01:15:17", "end": "01:15:21", "text": ">> To you, he spilled the beans."}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:22", "text": ">> No. To this to the guy that John was"}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "getting his information from."}, {"start": "01:15:22", "end": "01:15:27", "text": ">> Have you reached out to this monk?"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:32", "text": ">> Uh, no. Um, and I know probably a lot of"}, {"start": "01:15:27", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "people have. I I heard through um well,"}, {"start": "01:15:32", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "through John uh that Rick Dodie"}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:40", "text": ">> has like apparently like sent pizzas"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "there and like letters and facts."}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:42", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:43", "text": ">> Yeah. to like try and"}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:45", "text": ">> creepy."}, {"start": "01:15:43", "end": "01:15:48", "text": ">> Yeah. And so what that tells me is that"}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "oh Rick Dodie also doesn't know about"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "this"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:52", "text": ">> and that he has a genuine interest or"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:52", "text": "you know some other nefarious"}, {"start": "01:15:52", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "connection."}, {"start": "01:15:52", "end": "01:15:55", "text": ">> Yeah. You never know with"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:56", "text": ">> you never know. But I just thought"}, {"start": "01:15:55", "end": "01:16:00", "text": "dropping that name was kind of"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "interesting. Um and but he has some"}, {"start": "01:16:00", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "other person on the inside that ended up"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:05", "text": "writing a letter. Now I've penned a"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:08", "text": "letter."}, {"start": "01:16:05", "end": "01:16:09", "text": ">> I have a letter ready to go. Um, I put"}, {"start": "01:16:08", "end": "01:16:10", "text": "the video out and I thought I'm gonna"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "wait a bit because they're probably"}, {"start": "01:16:10", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "going to get inundated with"}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:17", "text": ">> and so I'm gonna wait a bit, but you"}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:19", "text": "can't contact them in any way that"}, {"start": "01:16:17", "end": "01:16:20", "text": "disrupts their vow of silence."}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:23", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:16:20", "end": "01:16:25", "text": ">> And you uh I mean you can't infer any"}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "type of cover up, conspiracy, anything"}, {"start": "01:16:25", "end": "01:16:30", "text": "outside of like"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:33", "text": ">> perhaps historic like historic purposes"}, {"start": "01:16:30", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "or faith purposes. Those are like"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:35", "text": ">> that's the bare minimum. But as soon as"}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:36", "text": "you talk about anything else, you're"}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:37", "text": "going to get shut down, shut out for"}, {"start": "01:16:36", "end": "01:16:38", "text": "good."}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:39", "text": ">> So, how did you approach it as a"}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:41", "text": "historical basis?"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:44", "text": ">> Yeah, pretty much that I'm a researcher"}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "and that there were um rumors"}, {"start": "01:16:44", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "circulating that uh during the cold war"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:56", "text": "era um that some people within certain"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:58", "text": "agencies would have hired u people with"}, {"start": "01:16:56", "end": "01:17:01", "text": "monistic ties"}, {"start": "01:16:58", "end": "01:17:05", "text": ">> uh to you know sort of aid in some of"}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:07", "text": "their operations. And now we're hearing"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:09", "text": "um more fringe"}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:10", "text": "um sort of conversations around this"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "matter. And I wanted to give you a"}, {"start": "01:17:10", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "chance to set the record straight about"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:16", "text": "uh any involvement that you might have"}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "had during that time uh you know to"}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:21", "text": "correct the history books was like you"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:22", "text": "know the way in. But I haven't sent it"}, {"start": "01:17:21", "end": "01:17:24", "text": "yet and uh I'm I'm a little reluctant"}, {"start": "01:17:22", "end": "01:17:25", "text": "because I know that like if they don't"}, {"start": "01:17:24", "end": "01:17:25", "text": "answer they're just going to leave it on"}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "red."}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:28", "text": ">> Yeah. I think you got to do it though"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:28", "text": "cuz he's a 97."}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:31", "text": ">> So"}, {"start": "01:17:29", "end": "01:17:32", "text": ">> yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:31", "end": "01:17:34", "text": "But interesting, that guy like to talk"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:35", "text": "to like talk to that monk."}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:37", "text": ">> But how would you talk to him though if"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:38", "text": "he's in a bow of silence? Would you have"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:41", "text": "to exchange?"}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:43", "text": ">> So apparently allegedly, according to"}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:46", "text": "John, he broke his vow of silence to"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "answer the questions. Um, and that guy"}, {"start": "01:17:46", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "has been in contact with this monk's"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:49", "text": "family."}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:17:49", "end": "01:17:52", "text": ">> For a long time."}, {"start": "01:17:50", "end": "01:17:55", "text": ">> Got to find that guy."}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:58", "text": ">> Yeah. He would have been, you know, the"}, {"start": "01:17:55", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "communicator, which is so crazy to think"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:17:59", "text": "about."}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:01", "text": ">> It's wild."}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. And he he you know he's"}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "saying some trippy stuff like you know"}, {"start": "01:18:03", "end": "01:18:10", "text": "how how they were you know literally he"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:12", "text": "was like listening to in his mind and"}, {"start": "01:18:10", "end": "01:18:13", "text": "like talking to the general colonel or"}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:15", "text": "whoever it was in the room at the same"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "time like real time translating"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:16", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:17", "text": ">> that's so crazy"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:20", "text": ">> it's wild"}, {"start": "01:18:17", "end": "01:18:22", "text": ">> but you know science fiction reality I"}, {"start": "01:18:20", "end": "01:18:24", "text": "don't know but I would regardless if"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:26", "text": "this person is real which I think he is"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:29", "text": "and if he's lying I would love to hear a"}, {"start": "01:18:26", "end": "01:18:31", "text": "lie from a 95year-old monk I would love"}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:33", "text": "nothing Well, well, it makes intuitive"}, {"start": "01:18:31", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "sense. Like you have the telepathy tapes"}, {"start": "01:18:33", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "and you have like the idea of like one"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "one sense ghost. Like all those kids are"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:41", "text": "they say autistic, but usually they're"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "autistic. They're mostly non-verbal."}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:44", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:46", "text": ">> And so this guy's taking a bow of"}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:49", "text": "silence. And so there's there's"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "definitely something around like an"}, {"start": "01:18:49", "end": "01:18:55", "text": "accentuation of senses when something"}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:57", "text": "else goes and spending that much time"}, {"start": "01:18:55", "end": "01:18:58", "text": "just hermetically sealed and meditating."}, {"start": "01:18:57", "end": "01:19:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Correct. They're they're in"}, {"start": "01:18:58", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "constant contemplation about God."}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:06", "text": ">> You're probably your your paradigm is"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:08", "text": "going to look much more like one of"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "these beings likely. Correct. Or or if"}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:12", "text": "not, it's going to be just deviated from"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:15", "text": "a normal human beings and you're going"}, {"start": "01:19:12", "end": "01:19:17", "text": "to throw a person like that at"}, {"start": "01:19:15", "end": "01:19:19", "text": ">> at any entity to try to translate. For"}, {"start": "01:19:17", "end": "01:19:21", "text": "sure. Yeah, that's I I guess that's the"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "catch 22 about taking that vow of"}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:28", "text": "silence is that you do acrewue all of"}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:30", "text": "this uh amazing knowledge through your"}, {"start": "01:19:28", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "contemplative practices and your deep"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:35", "text": "pondering of you know spirituality and"}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "the source and all of this but at the"}, {"start": "01:19:35", "end": "01:19:39", "text": "same time you have no outlet."}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:40", "text": ">> Mhm. You can't articulate it."}, {"start": "01:19:39", "end": "01:19:42", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:43", "text": ">> Well, it's like this with like Jesus and"}, {"start": "01:19:42", "end": "01:19:46", "text": "the Buddha and it's it's always like"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "ears to hear. like your communication is"}, {"start": "01:19:46", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "only as good as like the measurement"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:53", "text": "instrument on the other side and how"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "much it resonates and so like there's"}, {"start": "01:19:53", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "going to be this like translation error"}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "like if you get to a certain level of"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "wisdom like it's inherently not going to"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "like trickle down in this like onetoone"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:04", "text": "way."}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:20:04", "end": "01:20:08", "text": ">> Trippy."}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:09", "text": ">> That would be I would love love if you"}, {"start": "01:20:08", "end": "01:20:10", "text": "were able to get in contact with that"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "monk."}, {"start": "01:20:10", "end": "01:20:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Who knows? He's definitely not"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:15", "text": "watching this podcast, so we can say"}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:17", "text": "whatever we want."}, {"start": "01:20:15", "end": "01:20:18", "text": ">> [ __ ] that guy."}, {"start": "01:20:17", "end": "01:20:19", "text": ">> I mean, even if he's not talking about"}, {"start": "01:20:18", "end": "01:20:21", "text": "like"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:22", "text": ">> Sorry if you probably strike me down"}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:23", "text": "right now."}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:25", "text": ">> I think you'd probably have a better"}, {"start": "01:20:23", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "chance communicating with that person in"}, {"start": "01:20:25", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "an astral form."}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:30", "text": ">> Um, you know, and I think you suggested"}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:32", "text": "that or you"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:34", "text": ">> I did. I told you. A [ __ ] Yeah. Um, it"}, {"start": "01:20:32", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "was so funny cuz when I broke this"}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "story, when I heard it first from John"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:41", "text": "to Omar, our buddy Omar, um, he was in a"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:43", "text": "monastery in the oldest like monastery"}, {"start": "01:20:41", "end": "01:20:45", "text": "in the world, like St. Catherine's"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "monastery or something,"}, {"start": "01:20:45", "end": "01:20:49", "text": ">> um, during that time. And I was like,"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:51", "text": "whoa. I told him about this monastery."}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "He's never been in a monastery. And it"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:55", "text": "was the last day of the year. It was"}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:57", "text": "January 31st. And I was the last person"}, {"start": "01:20:55", "end": "01:20:59", "text": "he would talk to before the new year."}, {"start": "01:20:57", "end": "01:21:02", "text": ">> And uh, it was just like this weird"}, {"start": "01:20:59", "end": "01:21:03", "text": "trippy synchronicity. Yeah. What are we"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:05", "text": "at? Number three,"}, {"start": "01:21:03", "end": "01:21:06", "text": ">> I think. So, yeah, you guys you guys"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:08", "text": "have the pope."}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:09", "text": ">> Another boring name."}, {"start": "01:21:08", "end": "01:21:09", "text": ">> Exactly. I'm going to say another boring"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "name."}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:13", "text": ">> Major Major Colonel"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:16", "text": ">> cuz you guys have the pope or you guys"}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:18", "text": "have monks. I And then you got me who's"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:19", "text": "going to say Donald Kerr. So, it's like"}, {"start": "01:21:18", "end": "01:21:20", "text": "a huge step down in interest."}, {"start": "01:21:19", "end": "01:21:23", "text": ">> Who's Donald Kerr?"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:25", "text": ">> Donald Kerr was he was um you know"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:27", "text": "either director of the NRO altogether."}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:32", "text": "Some some pretty senior elements of the"}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:35", "text": "NRO. He was uh within DS&T um on MITER"}, {"start": "01:21:32", "end": "01:21:38", "text": "uh EG&G special projects VP or director"}, {"start": "01:21:35", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "okay director of Los Alamos like spook"}, {"start": "01:21:38", "end": "01:21:41", "text": "spook spook"}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:44", "text": ">> this guy might be NHI"}, {"start": "01:21:41", "end": "01:21:46", "text": ">> the most the most juicy robust CV I've"}, {"start": "01:21:44", "end": "01:21:47", "text": "ever seen in my life but the problem is"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:49", "text": "with some of this guys just like the the"}, {"start": "01:21:47", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "monk Donald Kerr is ancient so a lot of"}, {"start": "01:21:49", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "these guys so is Bobby Ray Inman it's"}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:55", "text": "it's kind of a race against time"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:57", "text": ">> hopefully their testimony has been taken"}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "in and and saved for historical"}, {"start": "01:21:57", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "purposes, but you know, the guy's super"}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:03", "text": "old and from from what I understand,"}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:05", "text": "he's been one of the most ingrained"}, {"start": "01:22:03", "end": "01:22:06", "text": "legacy people. Um, as you can just tell"}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "from his background,"}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:10", "text": ">> I would watch eight seasons of Gerb"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "doing deathbed confessions."}, {"start": "01:22:10", "end": "01:22:15", "text": ">> I've I've I've tried with multiple"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "people and they and they say they will"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:19", "text": "tell me on their deathbed, but not"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:21", "text": "pre-record to release their death."}, {"start": "01:22:19", "end": "01:22:22", "text": ">> They don't know. Exactly."}, {"start": "01:22:21", "end": "01:22:24", "text": ">> They all they all think they're going to"}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:25", "text": "live longer. Everybody who dies thinks,"}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:28", "text": "\"Oh, when I get out of this, I'm buying"}, {"start": "01:22:25", "end": "01:22:29", "text": "an RV.\" like or I'm traveling the world."}, {"start": "01:22:28", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "This is it."}, {"start": "01:22:29", "end": "01:22:34", "text": ">> There's one very specific person that"}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:36", "text": "has, in my opinion, one of the most"}, {"start": "01:22:34", "end": "01:22:38", "text": ">> worthy testimonies that must be heard"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:39", "text": "and he says, \"You know what? When I'm"}, {"start": "01:22:38", "end": "01:22:41", "text": "dying, I'll summon you to my deathbed"}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:42", "text": "and I'll tell you, but the guy's in"}, {"start": "01:22:41", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "really bad health and so I don't want"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:45", "text": "him to be gone as my friend.\""}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:45", "text": ">> And you don't want to be like, \"You're"}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:47", "text": "dying.\""}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't want him to go"}, {"start": "01:22:47", "end": "01:22:50", "text": "cuz a he's my friend and b like there's"}, {"start": "01:22:49", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "no guarantee we could have that"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "conversation with with his poor health."}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:57", "text": "What's what's making him so reticent in"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:23:00", "text": "sharing that now that he's in decent"}, {"start": "01:22:57", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "health? U does he not trust you or does"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:03", "text": "he not trust that the information will"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:05", "text": "fall into the wrong hands?"}, {"start": "01:23:03", "end": "01:23:06", "text": ">> Reprisals. We uh during the course of"}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "our communications, there have been"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "several instances where, you know, some"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "some keys will be dangled above him"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "saying, \"Hey, you better stop or like"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:15", "text": "we're taking away your pension.\" This"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:17", "text": "guy retired at a very high level within"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "um a certain element of the armed"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:21", "text": "forces. And he has family members that"}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:23", "text": "rely on him to live because of"}, {"start": "01:23:21", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "disability. So, he's ultra worried"}, {"start": "01:23:23", "end": "01:23:27", "text": "because he's disabled himself. That"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "pension gets taken away. He can't live."}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:30", "text": "Those members of his family can't live"}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:32", "text": "either. So, that's his big pain point"}, {"start": "01:23:30", "end": "01:23:34", "text": "that they love to target."}, {"start": "01:23:32", "end": "01:23:35", "text": ">> This guy seen bodies. Yes. Well,"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:37", "text": ">> we talked that's the guy we talked about"}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "last time. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:23:37", "end": "01:23:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:42", "text": ">> Seen body, seen tech, seen craft."}, {"start": "01:23:39", "end": "01:23:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Seen our craft, too."}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:47", "text": ">> Is this the same guy that Greer"}, {"start": "01:23:45", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "mentions?"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:51", "text": "Did Greer remove this guy? You know what"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "I have to say about about Greer and some"}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:56", "text": "of his um some of his his testimonies"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "that he's collected. Some people will be"}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:24:00", "text": "very shrewd and approach Greer from a"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:02", "text": "doctor patient privilege because of"}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "course Greer is a licensed doctor and"}, {"start": "01:24:02", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "they'll enter into an agreement with I"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "didn't know that."}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:08", "text": ">> Yeah. They they'll enter into an"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "agreement with Greer where Greer is in a"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:11", "text": "position of like a health caretaker."}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:16", "text": ">> And so all of their communications with"}, {"start": "01:24:13", "end": "01:24:18", "text": "Greer will be protected via HIPPA."}, {"start": "01:24:16", "end": "01:24:20", "text": ">> And so when Greer releases those, he's"}, {"start": "01:24:18", "end": "01:24:23", "text": "in direct violation of"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:24", "text": ">> those laws. So Greer has collected and"}, {"start": "01:24:23", "end": "01:24:26", "text": "distributed testimony illegally on"}, {"start": "01:24:24", "end": "01:24:28", "text": "several occasions of people who approach"}, {"start": "01:24:26", "end": "01:24:30", "text": "him under the guidelines of HIPPA"}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:31", "text": ">> and he takes it upon himself to release"}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:32", "text": "that"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:35", "text": ">> and talk about that and that is both"}, {"start": "01:24:32", "end": "01:24:37", "text": "highly in unethical and just wrong."}, {"start": "01:24:35", "end": "01:24:39", "text": ">> And so you didn't answer my question."}, {"start": "01:24:37", "end": "01:24:40", "text": ">> I I have no further comment to say"}, {"start": "01:24:39", "end": "01:24:41", "text": "there."}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:43", "text": ">> All right. It sounds"}, {"start": "01:24:41", "end": "01:24:45", "text": ">> I did this."}, {"start": "01:24:43", "end": "01:24:46", "text": ">> A lot a lot of people have come across"}, {"start": "01:24:45", "end": "01:24:48", "text": "Gre's desk."}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:49", "text": ">> Yeah, sure."}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:50", "text": ">> Yeah. He was like the guy"}, {"start": "01:24:49", "end": "01:24:52", "text": ">> including"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": ">> Yeah. and and"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:55", "text": ">> of late because there was a time at"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:57", "text": "which you know like like we've talked"}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:24:59", "text": "about before I think he did"}, {"start": "01:24:57", "end": "01:25:01", "text": ">> the right thing by platforming guys like"}, {"start": "01:24:59", "end": "01:25:03", "text": "Mccandish on you know the the the"}, {"start": "01:25:01", "end": "01:25:05", "text": "National Press Club in 2001"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:07", "text": ">> and the other one"}, {"start": "01:25:05", "end": "01:25:09", "text": ">> but yeah 2023 with Mike Herrera but also"}, {"start": "01:25:07", "end": "01:25:11", "text": "done the wrong thing of taking people's"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "testimonies and expanding on them to"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:14", "text": "suit his needs."}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:15", "text": ">> Mhm. Wow. And probably I don't know."}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:19", "text": ">> That's a pretty That's a pretty big"}, {"start": "01:25:15", "end": "01:25:20", "text": "claim, too. And that's like, you know,"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:22", "text": ">> is that something he's nervous about?"}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:23", "text": "Like what is what do you think? Like"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "what's what's the like the h the HIPPA"}, {"start": "01:25:23", "end": "01:25:25", "text": "violations?"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:27", "text": ">> Yeah. Like why why would because he's"}, {"start": "01:25:25", "end": "01:25:32", "text": "continued to do it?"}, {"start": "01:25:27", "end": "01:25:33", "text": ">> Well, I I think if you were uh trying to"}, {"start": "01:25:32", "end": "01:25:35", "text": "protect the program, I think you would"}, {"start": "01:25:33", "end": "01:25:36", "text": "use him now as a fly trap."}, {"start": "01:25:35", "end": "01:25:39", "text": ">> He's been legally mandated to take down"}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "their documents because he's been"}, {"start": "01:25:39", "end": "01:25:42", "text": "threatened with legal action because of"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:43", "text": "the HIPPO violation. and he still talks"}, {"start": "01:25:42", "end": "01:25:45", "text": "about him."}, {"start": "01:25:43", "end": "01:25:47", "text": ">> Yeah. And there's weird stuff that"}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:49", "text": "you've pointed out go missing in like"}, {"start": "01:25:47", "end": "01:25:51", "text": "really key interviews like he did a"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:53", "text": "great thing with Jonathan Wigan"}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:56", "text": ">> and"}, {"start": "01:25:53", "end": "01:25:58", "text": "Steven Greer just cut all these parts of"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:26:02", "text": "the interview and he's also I think"}, {"start": "01:25:58", "end": "01:26:05", "text": ">> um Lord uh Hill Norton Admiral Hill"}, {"start": "01:26:02", "end": "01:26:07", "text": "Norton in um the UK who's head of the"}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:08", "text": "you know the the naval fleet there."}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:10", "text": ">> Wonderful. Thank you. Thanks so much."}, {"start": "01:26:08", "end": "01:26:10", "text": ">> Coffee soon."}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:12", "text": ">> I'm good with coffee."}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:15", "text": ">> Yeah, you good? I'm good for now, too."}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:15", "text": "Thank you."}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:25", "text": ">> Um I think you know James Fox got that"}, {"start": "01:26:23", "end": "01:26:28", "text": "interview and then Steven Greer was just"}, {"start": "01:26:25", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "like that's my interview and he like cut"}, {"start": "01:26:28", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "James Fox's parts of the interview."}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:33", "text": ">> He did wake as well and I talked to"}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:35", "text": "James Fox about it. I said hey do you"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:36", "text": "remember shooting this? And he said yeah"}, {"start": "01:26:35", "end": "01:26:38", "text": "of course. I was like do you know Greer"}, {"start": "01:26:36", "end": "01:26:39", "text": "cut out all of your parts? He said no."}, {"start": "01:26:38", "end": "01:26:41", "text": ">> So crazy."}, {"start": "01:26:39", "end": "01:26:43", "text": ">> Wow. because you can hear in the"}, {"start": "01:26:41", "end": "01:26:46", "text": "interview uh not like the interview"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:49", "text": "posted to to YouTube but in the archives"}, {"start": "01:26:46", "end": "01:26:51", "text": "of the DPI archive you can hear sort of"}, {"start": "01:26:49", "end": "01:26:53", "text": "the raw interview and at certain parts"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:54", "text": "James Fox will start to ask a question"}, {"start": "01:26:53", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "then it'll just cut"}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:26:59", "text": ">> he's acting like it's him like come on"}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:03", "text": "dude"}, {"start": "01:26:59", "end": "01:27:04", "text": ">> it's okay he can squat 700 lb or"}, {"start": "01:27:03", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "whatever"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:09", "text": ">> leg press leg press"}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:11", "text": ">> big difference there actually how how"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:12", "text": "How much can you like press?"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:14", "text": ">> I don't know. I don't like leg press"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "much because it it doesn't do anything."}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:18", "text": ">> It does. How How's leg press going to"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:19", "text": "help you in athletic movements,"}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:20", "text": "functional movements?"}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:21", "text": ">> You're a big guy. You don't do any"}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:22", "text": "weight training?"}, {"start": "01:27:21", "end": "01:27:25", "text": ">> I do a lot of weight training, but more"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "so like um more so compound movements"}, {"start": "01:27:25", "end": "01:27:28", "text": "instead of like a leg press like"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:29", "text": "deadlifts."}, {"start": "01:27:28", "end": "01:27:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:27:29", "end": "01:27:33", "text": ">> Like how how how often?"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:33", "text": ">> Jiu-jitsu four times a week. Two times a"}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:34", "text": "week."}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:35", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:27:34", "end": "01:27:37", "text": ">> As you could probably tell,"}, {"start": "01:27:35", "end": "01:27:38", "text": ">> you train six times a week."}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:40", "text": ">> Where do you have time? That's crazy."}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:42", "text": "Imagine depression."}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:44", "text": ">> Yeah, I you got to to stay sane"}, {"start": "01:27:42", "end": "01:27:45", "text": "sometimes on this subject with T"}, {"start": "01:27:44", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "totally."}, {"start": "01:27:45", "end": "01:27:49", "text": ">> I do I do exercise. I do like three days"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:51", "text": "a week. But"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:52", "text": ">> I just love it. It helps calm the mind."}, {"start": "01:27:51", "end": "01:27:53", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:55", "text": ">> there's something about matching up with"}, {"start": "01:27:53", "end": "01:27:57", "text": "like a worthy opponent in grappling and"}, {"start": "01:27:55", "end": "01:27:58", "text": "and getting to a position where you"}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:27:59", "text": "could choke the life out of them if"}, {"start": "01:27:58", "end": "01:28:01", "text": "you're not in a controlled sport"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:03", "text": "environment. It's just like there's"}, {"start": "01:28:01", "end": "01:28:04", "text": "nothing more satisfying than um matching"}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "up against somebody worthy of of skill"}, {"start": "01:28:04", "end": "01:28:07", "text": "and grappling and out besting."}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:10", "text": ">> I don't know. Solving a puzzle is being"}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "satisfied sometime."}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:14", "text": ">> It's a very prival thing. I love it."}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:16", "text": ">> Playing bridge."}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:17", "text": ">> Chess. Uh, you know, a lot of people say"}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:19", "text": "it's really close to"}, {"start": "01:28:17", "end": "01:28:21", "text": ">> Yeah. You whoop my butt in chess last"}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:23", "text": "time we played. Shame."}, {"start": "01:28:21", "end": "01:28:25", "text": ">> What do you guys do to to stay sane and"}, {"start": "01:28:23", "end": "01:28:27", "text": "grounded in your spare time with this"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:29", "text": "subject?"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:31", "text": ">> I mean, what"}, {"start": "01:28:29", "end": "01:28:32", "text": ">> I used to surf and then I moved to Texas"}, {"start": "01:28:31", "end": "01:28:34", "text": "and I don't surf as much there."}, {"start": "01:28:32", "end": "01:28:35", "text": ">> I used to surf in California. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "01:28:34", "end": "01:28:37", "text": "know you went to like Portugal surf and"}, {"start": "01:28:35", "end": "01:28:38", "text": "stuff, but"}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:39", "text": ">> yeah, surf all the time."}, {"start": "01:28:38", "end": "01:28:42", "text": ">> You're good at surfing."}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:43", "text": ">> I'm like, okay. Amazing, but it is"}, {"start": "01:28:42", "end": "01:28:44", "text": "definitely really hard. But yeah, I'm"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:44", "text": "like decent."}, {"start": "01:28:44", "end": "01:28:45", "text": ">> No, it's cool."}, {"start": "01:28:44", "end": "01:28:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:28:45", "end": "01:28:48", "text": ">> You ever encountered sharks?"}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:49", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:50", "text": ">> As a Canadian, that's like our number"}, {"start": "01:28:49", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "one fear."}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:53", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:55", "text": ">> That's like sharks cuz we don't have"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "them. So, we're like, it's like an"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:59", "text": "abstract not real fear. Like even where"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:02", "text": "there are a ton of great whites in"}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "Northern California, I think the last"}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "like death due to a great white shark"}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "was like 2013 or something crazy like"}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:12", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:12", "text": ">> Oh, it's still not zero."}, {"start": "01:29:13", "end": "01:29:17", "text": ">> But yeah, I don't know. Surfing, running"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:20", "text": "now, more"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:23", "text": "meditating, but I could use some more"}, {"start": "01:29:20", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "compartmentalization for sure."}, {"start": "01:29:23", "end": "01:29:26", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:29", "text": ">> it's definitely spend a lot of time on"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "UFOs and crazy [ __ ]"}, {"start": "01:29:29", "end": "01:29:33", "text": ">> Yeah, cuz you got to like you got to do"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "so many things in between these episodes"}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:35", "text": "that people"}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:29:35", "end": "01:29:39", "text": ">> might not realize or might might think"}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:40", "text": "is uh"}, {"start": "01:29:39", "end": "01:29:42", "text": ">> a lot of people think a lot of the brunt"}, {"start": "01:29:40", "end": "01:29:44", "text": "of the work is like having those"}, {"start": "01:29:42", "end": "01:29:45", "text": "conversations, holding court, coming up"}, {"start": "01:29:44", "end": "01:29:48", "text": "with questions. It's more than that."}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:52", "text": "It's like it's the amount of brain power"}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:55", "text": "it takes to devote to the subject on the"}, {"start": "01:29:52", "end": "01:29:57", "text": "off time. Like you got to live a normal"}, {"start": "01:29:55", "end": "01:29:59", "text": "life, but then also I got a guest. I got"}, {"start": "01:29:57", "end": "01:30:01", "text": "three guests coming and they each got"}, {"start": "01:29:59", "end": "01:30:02", "text": "four books. I got to read at least one"}, {"start": "01:30:01", "end": "01:30:05", "text": "of their books, you know, and so you're"}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:06", "text": "catching up on reading during that time."}, {"start": "01:30:05", "end": "01:30:09", "text": "And then on top of that, you're getting"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "inundated with all sorts of other, you"}, {"start": "01:30:09", "end": "01:30:14", "text": "know, inquiries and future, you know,"}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "um, opportunities. and you're constantly"}, {"start": "01:30:14", "end": "01:30:17", "text": "like in this world and the second you"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:20", "text": "let up,"}, {"start": "01:30:17", "end": "01:30:21", "text": ">> you feel like it starts, you know, like"}, {"start": "01:30:20", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "you want to maximize. You want to strike"}, {"start": "01:30:21", "end": "01:30:25", "text": "while the iron's hot type deal."}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:28", "text": ">> And that's that's tough. That's tough as"}, {"start": "01:30:25", "end": "01:30:30", "text": "um it's a tough mental game to play. So"}, {"start": "01:30:28", "end": "01:30:31", "text": "maybe offsetting that with like physical"}, {"start": "01:30:30", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "activity is probably the healthiest."}, {"start": "01:30:31", "end": "01:30:34", "text": ">> Yep. Well, that's why I I don't know"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:36", "text": "about you guys, but I'm so thankful I"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:38", "text": "don't really spend time doing like news"}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:41", "text": "of the day stuff or kind of capturing"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "news. I see my bundle of nerds."}, {"start": "01:30:41", "end": "01:30:45", "text": ">> Yeah. Like um"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:46", "text": ">> also you're going to sw like with UFOs"}, {"start": "01:30:45", "end": "01:30:49", "text": "you're going to swing at bad pitches if"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:50", "text": "you don't do that but you're definitely"}, {"start": "01:30:49", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "going to swing at bad pitches if you're"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:54", "text": "trying to do like the hot new thing."}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:30:55", "text": ">> We all we already swing at bad pitches"}, {"start": "01:30:54", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "after doing research."}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:31:00", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying."}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:03", "text": ">> That's very true. Yeah. guys like Vetted"}, {"start": "01:31:00", "end": "01:31:05", "text": "or um even like the night shift guys"}, {"start": "01:31:03", "end": "01:31:06", "text": "like these guys covering or u"}, {"start": "01:31:05", "end": "01:31:10", "text": "psychoactivo"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:13", "text": ">> people covering like the today news like"}, {"start": "01:31:10", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "to me when I started this channel I did"}, {"start": "01:31:13", "end": "01:31:17", "text": "it a little bit maybe for two episodes"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:19", "text": ">> where I was like all right what's going"}, {"start": "01:31:17", "end": "01:31:20", "text": "on let's do a little roundup and then I"}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:22", "text": "went oh and another thing happened"}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:24", "text": "another thing happened I'm taking notes"}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "and I'm now I have to research because"}, {"start": "01:31:24", "end": "01:31:26", "text": "the second you don't you look like a"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:28", "text": "buffoon"}, {"start": "01:31:26", "end": "01:31:30", "text": ">> and so I'm just like researching"}, {"start": "01:31:28", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "constantly because news is coming out"}, {"start": "01:31:30", "end": "01:31:34", "text": "daily about this stuff and I'm like"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "there's no way I'll ever be able to keep"}, {"start": "01:31:34", "end": "01:31:40", "text": "up with this. I am the most easily"}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "scopable person now because I have no"}, {"start": "01:31:40", "end": "01:31:43", "text": "time to research anything and I'm"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "constantly"}, {"start": "01:31:43", "end": "01:31:46", "text": ">> and you're bought in a priority to the"}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:48", "text": "whole topic obviously"}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:50", "text": ">> and I'm responding to every single story"}, {"start": "01:31:48", "end": "01:31:53", "text": "and I'm giving my take and my take"}, {"start": "01:31:50", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "becomes shifted and molded according to"}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:57", "text": "you know"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "yeah exactly that I'm that I'm consuming"}, {"start": "01:31:57", "end": "01:32:01", "text": ">> and um"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:02", "text": ">> stress it like heightened my anxiety"}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:03", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:06", "text": ">> I had to think about did I have the"}, {"start": "01:32:03", "end": "01:32:07", "text": "right take on that did I say the right"}, {"start": "01:32:06", "end": "01:32:10", "text": "thing? Oh, I made a mistake. I should"}, {"start": "01:32:07", "end": "01:32:11", "text": "redact that. Like these stresses,"}, {"start": "01:32:10", "end": "01:32:12", "text": ">> you're like, my hats off to those guys"}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:12", "text": "doing it."}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:16", "text": ">> Um I'm glad people are out there"}, {"start": "01:32:14", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "covering that because there is a need"}, {"start": "01:32:16", "end": "01:32:21", "text": "for that type of content. I think a lot"}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "of people enjoy it. Um but it's not for"}, {"start": "01:32:21", "end": "01:32:25", "text": "me. It's something that uh yeah, defin I"}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:26", "text": "don't have the heart. I don't know how"}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "to do it."}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:30", "text": ">> I feel like sometimes it reduc in its"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:33", "text": "best form. It's like you're covering and"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:35", "text": "amplifying stuff that like needs to be"}, {"start": "01:32:33", "end": "01:32:37", "text": "amplified. Especially cuz like all this"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "stuff gets drowned out often by like"}, {"start": "01:32:37", "end": "01:32:40", "text": ">> That's true."}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:42", "text": ">> the World War III we might be like on"}, {"start": "01:32:40", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "the verge of you know other kind of"}, {"start": "01:32:42", "end": "01:32:48", "text": "prosaic political events. I think in its"}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:52", "text": "worst form it's like uh Sports Center"}, {"start": "01:32:48", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "for or TMZ for UFOs. Yeah. And it's like"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:57", "text": ">> you managed That's right."}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:33:00", "text": "And you managed to take this like topic"}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:04", "text": "that touches on like onlogical truths,"}, {"start": "01:33:00", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "sacred truths, like what is reality like"}, {"start": "01:33:04", "end": "01:33:08", "text": "you know itself like the most important"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:10", "text": "questions and you've managed to turn it"}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:12", "text": "into like this he said she said like"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:12", "text": "food fight thing and it's like how come"}, {"start": "01:33:12", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "on"}, {"start": "01:33:12", "end": "01:33:16", "text": ">> that's a good way of putting it Jesse"}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:18", "text": "like at best it it is something that"}, {"start": "01:33:16", "end": "01:33:21", "text": "like everybody kind of wants to be"}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:23", "text": "updated on and you have and at worst"}, {"start": "01:33:21", "end": "01:33:24", "text": "it's literally like high school drama."}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:24", "end": "01:33:27", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:30", "text": ">> yeah, it man, I don't know how anybody"}, {"start": "01:33:27", "end": "01:33:31", "text": "doing that doesn't suffer from some type"}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:33", "text": "of,"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:35", "text": ">> you know, offset depression, anxiety,"}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:37", "text": "like cuz that would affect me. I I've"}, {"start": "01:33:35", "end": "01:33:39", "text": "been, you know, I've had my bouts of"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:41", "text": "depression. I know. I was like, when I"}, {"start": "01:33:39", "end": "01:33:42", "text": "got started, I was like, \"No, no, no."}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:44", "text": ">> I got to stay away from this.\" Like,"}, {"start": "01:33:42", "end": "01:33:46", "text": ">> and then when you you view the topic and"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:48", "text": "think about it, your knowledge is as"}, {"start": "01:33:46", "end": "01:33:49", "text": "wide as a ocean, but as deep as a"}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:51", "text": "puddle, right? Cuz you don't have the"}, {"start": "01:33:49", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "time or ability to really specialize in"}, {"start": "01:33:51", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "various parts of the subject. And as we"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "all know it gets so weird so quick and"}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:33:59", "text": "all of us focus and specialize in"}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:01", "text": "different aspects of this topic and you"}, {"start": "01:33:59", "end": "01:34:03", "text": "know we we lack in knowledge of each"}, {"start": "01:34:01", "end": "01:34:05", "text": "other's topic and there's just so much"}, {"start": "01:34:03", "end": "01:34:08", "text": "to learn about various aspects of of"}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:09", "text": "this subject you know experiencers"}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:11", "text": "science and physics legacy program"}, {"start": "01:34:09", "end": "01:34:12", "text": "stuff. It it'd be so impossible to cover"}, {"start": "01:34:11", "end": "01:34:13", "text": "all of it at once."}, {"start": "01:34:12", "end": "01:34:15", "text": ">> That's a good point man."}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:17", "text": ">> Well I'm glad you guys are a part of it."}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:18", "text": ">> Me too. Me too."}, {"start": "01:34:17", "end": "01:34:19", "text": ">> I'm very grateful."}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:21", "text": ">> Yeah. Same. I'm glad."}, {"start": "01:34:19", "end": "01:34:23", "text": ">> I'd feel crazy if you guys weren't"}, {"start": "01:34:21", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "around. I know."}, {"start": "01:34:23", "end": "01:34:28", "text": ">> Yeah, you got an island."}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:28", "text": ">> Yeah, you"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "hold on."}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:34", "text": ">> Don't leave me."}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:36", "text": ">> What island, Jesse?"}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:38", "text": ">> Jesus Christ."}, {"start": "01:34:36", "end": "01:34:40", "text": ">> All right. Well, boys, this is"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:43", "text": "delicious. And this was fun."}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:44", "text": ">> Yeah. So fun."}, {"start": "01:34:43", "end": "01:34:46", "text": ">> Thanks for uh thanks for hanging out"}, {"start": "01:34:44", "end": "01:34:46", "text": "with me, the flying saucer. Appreciate"}, {"start": "01:34:46", "end": "01:34:47", "text": "it."}, {"start": "01:34:46", "end": "01:34:49", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Thank you for having us."}, {"start": "01:34:47", "end": "01:34:51", "text": ">> Thank you for having us, Chris."}, {"start": "01:34:49", "end": "01:34:51", "text": ">> Great apple pie and burger. Yeah, it's"}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "delicious."}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:52", "text": ">> All right, let's get the hell out of"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:56", "text": "here."}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:56", "text": ">> Let's do it."}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:14", "text": "Oh,"}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:19", "text": "hey."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "another episode of the Area 52 podcast."}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "My name is Chris Ramsey and today we're"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "going to be deep diving into three"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "articles written in separate issues of"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "UFO magazine in the late 1990s 1998 by"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "someone uh who goes by the pseudonym"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "Greg Halifax,"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "which sounds made up uh by the way."}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "These three articles helped shape UFO"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "lore, especially involving crash"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "retrieval and uh reverse engineering of"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "alien tech as we know it today."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "Researchers such as James Landoli as"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "well as Richard Dolan have done their"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "due diligence looking into whether or"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "not this is true. And according to"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "Richard Dolan, he claims that this is"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "thinly veiled in fiction and that this"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "might actually be real. They talk about"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "a project of crash retrieval that goes"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "by the name Zodiac. This is very"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "interesting because this was also"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "mentioned by Eric Davis in the end of"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "the Wilson Davis memos. If you're not"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "familiar with that, it's a whole other"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "deep dive which we'll eventually get"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "into. But essentially, there are"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "multiple corroborating anecdotal pieces"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "of evidence that lead us to believe that"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "Zodiac might be a real crash retrieval"}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "project and some type of offshoot or"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "pseudonym for the Majestic 12 or MJ12"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "secret group."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Wild, wild stuff. So, there are three"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "articles here by u Greg Halifax who"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "tells the story of the one and only SGE"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "Masters. Now, if you've been involved in"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "UFO lore for quite some time, you may"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "have heard the name SGE Masters come up"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "because it is a really gripping story."}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "Now, according to one of the best"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "researchers of our time, Richard Dolan,"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "one of the goats, um, Greg Halifax is"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "actually a pseudonym and the real"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "person, uh, his name is Jeffrey"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "Griffith, who is a corporate attorney"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "who basically worked for some of these"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "aeronautics companies. 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Like this video,"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "subscribe, notification bell, all that"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "stuff. Check out area552.shop for your"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "latest trendy merch that you can pick up"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "to help support the show or become a"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "member. Up to you. A lot a lot to go"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "through. George Knap has talked about"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "Zodiac. Eric Davis, Edgar Mitchell, uh"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "Hal Putoff, Jacqu Valet. These are just"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "some of the names"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "that Zodiac"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "has been has been attached to. Very cool"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "I have the original magazines here, part"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "one, two, and three. And folks, I'm not"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "going to I'm not going to butter it up."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "We're reading all three today, and we're"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "getting through them. So, without any"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "further ado, let's get into it."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "Deep Files, Trans X Communique, Letter"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "to a UFO Recruit by Greg Halifax."}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "Also, quick little aside, Dolan, Richard"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "Dolan also noticed that there weren't"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "any editors mentions or notes. Normally"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "for these type of articles, you'll have"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "some type of editor mention, and there"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "wasn't any. So, just a strange little"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "thing. And throughout all these"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "magazines, you normally would have that,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "but not for these particular articles in"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "these issues. So, just interesting. What"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "you're about to read is largely"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "unverified, but that doesn't mean it's"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "not true."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "It's the type of UFO information that"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "would typically be deeply buried, then"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "carefully studied and compartmentalized"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "by a small faction within the"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "intelligence community, as suits any"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "sensitive black operation. As such,"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "straightforward corroboration is"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "difficult at best. But UFO magazine has"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "the advantage of more than a decade's"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "worth of collected bits of information"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "and broad-based facts on which to"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "construct some fair extrapolations."}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "Drawn from a range of sources, the"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "following incident reflects upon one of"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "the blackest of America's covert"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "operations that deal directly"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "with the UFO phenomenon. Oh, what an"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "intro."}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "I like this already. I like where this"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "is going."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "They recruited him when he was fresh"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "from a not too harrowing assignment in"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "the Middle East. This was one area of"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "the globe at least where the CIA had"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "little trouble justifying its existence."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "Having some military background, SGE"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "Masters wasn't too surprised when he was"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "called back for another briefing about"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "the new foreign technology assignment"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "overseen from Wright Patterson Air Force"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "Base. What he'd heard at the first"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "briefing didn't exactly fire his"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "professional instincts. The task sounded"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "less than challenging. He was assured"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "that more information would be coming"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "his way and that much of it would change"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "his mind about the degree of intrigue"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "his new assignment would hold."}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "Clearances intact, Masters arrived on"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "the base in short order. He was issued a"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "security badge and escorted by an airman"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "to an unmarked building. Once inside, he"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "was escorted by the airmen into a room"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "where his security badge was taken from"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "him and a different one given to him in"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "its place."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "A different airman with a uniform that"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "masters had not seen before, armed with"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "an M16 and a sidearm, escorted him into"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "a private room. That man left and in"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "less than 2 minutes, another armed and"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "uniformed man entered and said nothing."}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "Masters was used to this routine."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "When the soldier had positioned himself"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "in front of the door, masters turned"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "around to a table on which lay a thick"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "packet of papers. One more glance at the"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "impassive soldier and masters began to"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "read."}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "The letter on top carried a number on"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "the first page, but no date or"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "letterhead."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "Dear Mr. Masters, consider this a deeper"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "introduction to your present assignment."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "As you were told in last week's special"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "briefing, you were selected for the"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "program less for your wide intelligence"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "background and technical skills than for"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "the results of your psychological"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "profile. Both the one you took when you"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "first joined the agency and the one"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "administered earlier this year,"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "necessarily limited to technical experts"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "and professionals in only a handful of"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "military, scientific, and medical"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "disciplines. The program nevertheless"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "cannot sacrifice its dependence on"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "absolute secrecy"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "and the personality traits that go with"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "that exceptionally crucial need."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "Can I just say this is really well"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "written."}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "I and my colleagues want to congratulate"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "you on nearly half a lifetime of"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "unwavering circumspection in regard to"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "the restricted information to which you"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "have been privy. From the long list of"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "classified technology to the paniply of"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "trade craft which you've successfully"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "and courageously practiced in many areas"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "of the globe. What you'll be doing with"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "us should be regarded as a complete"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "change. Not only in your understanding"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "of conventional trade craft, but in the"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "very attitudes and habits that you have"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "come to accept as SOP in your work,"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "standard operational protocol."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "Who am I? UAP Gerb now. All right."}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "We're dealing with something that falls"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "well outside the normal boundaries of"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "classical espionage and counter"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "espionage has practiced since the advent"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "of World War II and yet has always been"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "included within the classified mission"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "statements of the various agencies and"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "military branches comprising the"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "military community since before the"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "formation of the agency in 1947."}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "Interesting. The program has been"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "carried on since then, albeit without"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "acknowledgement or broad dissemination"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "within the community itself for reasons"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "which will be obvious as you read the"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "material below."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "It must be emphasized that a good deal"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "of the information set forth below is of"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "the highest significance to the national"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "security and cannot be divulged even to"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "those of your associates and colleagues"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "in the community in whom you repose"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "implicit confidence."}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "without authorization being given to you"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "too. We will discuss more about the"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "established protocol for this in the"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "days ahead. For now, refer to the"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "attached appendix A in which you'll find"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "details on the use and application of"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "code words, protocols of formal"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "introductions, and parameters of"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "discussion derived there from. Any"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "breaches of the conditions or the"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "protocol therein will be dealt with as a"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "security crime, even if committed"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "inadvertently with the severest"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "consequences to you and any recipient of"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "the information contained in the"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "communication, regardless of whether the"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "recipient solicited the information."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "That's pretty serious."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "During the years preceding World War II,"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "informal contacts made by Americans"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "touring in Europe, tasked to do so by"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "then attorney William Donovan, who was"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "later the head of the OSS in World War"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "II, revealed that there had been a"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "number of sightings of unusual aerial"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "phenomena and craft over European skies,"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "particularly in the vicinity of German"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "military facilities. It was considered"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "of extreme importance by Donovan and his"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "friend, President Franklin D. 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Military intelligence made"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "modest efforts to flesh out these"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "ephemeral reports, but little"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "information was developed. In"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "retrospect, the most ominous of the"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "reports."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "Whoa, that light just"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "I'll be right back."}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "Odd happenings sometimes occur in the"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "offices of Area 52. But not to worry,"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "folks. This will not veer us from our"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "current destination as we must proceed"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "with this"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "incredibly gripping and captivating"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "text. I might add this is a really good"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "read so far. I'm very invested. Military"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "intelligence made modest efforts to"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "flesh out these ephemeral reports, but"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "little information was developed. In"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "retrospect, the most ominous of the"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "reports claimed that a downed"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "saucer-like craft of indeterminate"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "origin was recovered by Vmach troops in"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "the days immediately preceding Germany's"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "invasion of Poland."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "The rush of events focused the attention"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "of military and the OSS on the matters"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "of more pressing concern. Although it"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "had been resolved to look into these"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "reports again at the war's conclusion,"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "the need to follow up on these matters"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "was underscored by the appearance of the"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "so-called Foo Fighters, not the band,"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "although that would have been cool,"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "which shadowed military aircraft of all"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "combatants during the war in both the"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "European and Pacific theaters."}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "Naturally, each side assumed that the"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "devices were new weapons of the other"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "side. see attached appendix B for"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "censored press reports and military"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "intelligence reports pertaining to the"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "Foo Fighter phenomenon and the"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "apparently related phenomena which were"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "the subject of project twinkle"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "referenced therein. Now I also want to"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "note that the latest trunch by the way"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "hate that word stupid word let's stop"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "using it. Um, I don't know. I'm not a"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "fan of buzzwords. When people start"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "saying like impunity, trunch, and like"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "somehow indoctrinating it into our"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "current zeitgeist so seamlessly, I tend"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "to, I don't know, push back just like"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "UAP. Not a fan of that either. Stop"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "giving me these sanitized terms."}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "Aliens, UFOs, flying saucers."}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "Um, but the latest trunch, if you will,"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "had within it some really interesting"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "documents that went all the way back to"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "1947 and mentioned the Foo Fighters and"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "the interactions of the pilots. Multiple"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "interactions, also interactions um of"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "other flying discs in 47 prior to"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "Roswell during Kenneth Arnold's sort of"}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "sightings as well. So, lots of"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "interesting stuff in those drops, none"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "of which were on video, by the way."}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "That's not a shot across the bow. I"}, {"start": "00:15:27", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "think everyone is also aware that uh"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "the videos were kind of nothing burgers."}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "I covered the first batch in a video,"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "but um I just didn't think, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "was just uh if I if I'd make one more"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "video on those batches, it felt like"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "engagement farming to me, and I just"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "didn't it didn't sit well with me."}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "Where is that, by the way? this this"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "redacted file that they speak of"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "somewhere else in here I guess"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "regardless talks about foo fighters"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "which are orbs that were circling uh the"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "planes and following them in formation"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "at the conclusion of World War II it"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "became apparent that the German Nazi"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "regime had been developing a number of"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "advanced missile and aircraft designs a"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "few of which such as the jet fighters"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "and the flying wings had been developed"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "in parallel, though somewhat belatedly"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "in the United States and the United"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "Kingdom. Nevertheless, it was clear that"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "extensive technological intelligence"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "gathering would be necessary to"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "determine the full extent of German"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "technological advances in these and"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "other areas. A lot of spying going on."}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "This effort was both impelled and"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "hampered by worsening relations between"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "the Western Allies and the USSR."}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "Initially played out in occupied"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "Germany, where most of the investigative"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "work was being pursued. With the"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "beginning of the Cold War, virtually all"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "access to German investigation sites in"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "the Soviet zone of occupation was denied"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "to Allied intelligence and military"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "personnel."}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "And there the matter might have rested,"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "but for the project twinkle phenomenon's"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "occurrence and the sighting by private"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "pilot Kenneth Arnold in the summer of"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "47, see appendix B. There you go. Before"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "there could be a full assessment of the"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "implications of these events, in July"}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "1947, two craft were recovered from the"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "desert near Roswell Army Airore Bomber"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "Base. One of the crafts was a deltoid"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "wing lifting body which had suffered a"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "rupture to the crew compartment and some"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "impact distortion but which was"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "otherwise intact. The other craft had"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "completely disintegrated either before"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "or upon impact. Although there were"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "working hypotheses that these craft were"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "either one, secret Soviet surveillance"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "craft designed to spy upon the many"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "advanced technical and military"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "facilities in that region, or two, the"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "craft from some other dimension, the"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "details of which were and remain"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "unspecified by the proponents of this"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "hypothesis. Or three, craft from our own"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "future exploring the past through an"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "unknown temporal travel mechanism. It"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "soon became clear that these craft were"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "from some planet or solar system other"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "than our own as they were occupied by"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "two kinds of beings which clearly were"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "not of earthly origin. Now we're talking"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "about Psalm 101. This is the standard"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "operation manual of how to deal with"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "Ebans or EBEs one and two. The different"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "types of aliens, the crashes and"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "whatnot."}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "Um, shout out to agent M for sending me"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "uh this, by the way. You know who you"}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "are. Thank you for that. Appreciate it."}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "Now, the deltoid craft is interesting."}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "Deltoid meaning shaped like a D."}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "You just say that. But hey, they want to"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "be fancy. Um,"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "you know, even looking at Kenneth"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "Kenneth Arnold's original depiction of"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "the craft seems to be in that deltoid uh"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "formation as well."}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "The occupants of the deltoid craft were"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "largely intact after the crash. When the"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:28", "text": "special recovery team established uh for"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "this purpose located the crash, two of"}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "the occupants of the deltoid craft were"}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "still alive, although one was badly"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "injured and would later die upon being"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "taken to the Roswell Airore base. The"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "other survivor was alive and remained so"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "for almost 30 days after the crash. It"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "was able to walk and seemed to"}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "understand that it was a captive among"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "intelligent beings like itself. all"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "efforts at communication with the"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "survivor were inconclusive and largely"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "unsuccessful."}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "So this goes against so many other"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "tellings of you know the interaction"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "with the being. Now I don't know if this"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "is one and the same or if there was like"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "you know there was the later Kingman"}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "crash I think in 52 where another body"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:18", "text": "might have been recovered"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:20", "text": "JRod or who knows what. But maybe yeah"}, {"start": "00:20:18", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "maybe this initial back and forth didn't"}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "yield anything. Now, if we look at the"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "case of Matilda Mroy, uh, in the book"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:30", "text": "written by Lawrence R. Spencer, an alien"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "interview where allegedly this nurse was"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "the only one able to communicate with"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "this being that lasted for weeks and"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "weeks and weeks. And so, one of these"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "people, or both, is telling a lie. And I"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "I'd like to think Matilda Mroy"}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "isn't a real story. I'd like to think it"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "is a real story, but I don't think it's"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:54", "text": "a real story. And uh I lean towards this"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "being a little higher in conviction, but"}, {"start": "00:20:54", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "I'm pretty low conviction on both of"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "these so far. But let's keep reading."}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "And by the way, let me know."}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "This would be interesting experiment. Uh"}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "in the comments, let me know how you"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "feel currently on a conviction level"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "percentage 10% 5% that this is"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:20", "text": "legitimate. You're feeling. And then"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "after the video, cuz I'm currently"}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:27", "text": "5 10%. I want to see how high or low my"}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "conviction will fluctuate throughout the"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "reading here. I'd be curious to know"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "what that's like for you. Three other"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "occupants were dead when the recovery"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "team found them. The general appearance"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "of these creatures was reported in the"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "recently published somewhat fanciful"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "investigative books on the subject which"}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "have received a certain amount of"}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:50", "text": "popular acceptance and which resulted in"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "the recent 50th anniversary celebration"}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "of this event. Popular attention to this"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "event remains strong. The occupants of"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:01", "text": "the second craft were not found for"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "several more days as their bodies had"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:06", "text": "been ejected in what appeared to be"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "safety pods similar in purpose to those"}, {"start": "00:22:06", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "later employed in such high-performance"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "aircraft as the B-58 Hustler and XB70"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:17", "text": "supersonic bombers."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:20", "text": "These creatures were longer in dimension"}, {"start": "00:22:17", "end": "00:22:22", "text": "than the ones of the deltoid craft and"}, {"start": "00:22:20", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "their bodies were dispersed over a much"}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:28", "text": "wider area due to the disintegration of"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "the craft. All were dead when found with"}, {"start": "00:22:28", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "their bodies much deteriorated from"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "prolonged exposure to the elements and"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "some having been partially eaten by"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:39", "text": "coyotes and other creatures."}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:45", "text": "All of the latter of which were found"}, {"start": "00:22:39", "end": "00:22:49", "text": "dead near the alien corpses. Wild."}, {"start": "00:22:45", "end": "00:22:51", "text": "So, we had we had read about the bodies"}, {"start": "00:22:49", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "being eaten before. I know that's morbid"}, {"start": "00:22:51", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "and that's a terrible thought, but"}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "animals are animals and they do animal"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "things and obviously,"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:02", "text": "you know, they're going to decay and the"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:04", "text": "elements will take care of them."}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:06", "text": "But to hear that the animals who ate the"}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:09", "text": "bodies then later died"}, {"start": "00:23:06", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "is incredibly troubling."}, {"start": "00:23:09", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "Um, but also makes sense. I mean, if"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "they're bringing in foreign bacteria"}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:20", "text": "from god knows where,"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "you know, look at the varia case where"}, {"start": "00:23:20", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "the gentleman, the soldier who had"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "carried the being, the being had then"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "scratched his underarm apparently and"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:34", "text": "the bacteria transferred into him. He"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:36", "text": "was unsavable. And so this kind of"}, {"start": "00:23:34", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "checks out."}, {"start": "00:23:36", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "Analysis of the animal remains and the"}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:42", "text": "alien bodies led to the conclusion that"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "the animals died from poisoning caused"}, {"start": "00:23:42", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "by ingestion of chemicals in the alien"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:49", "text": "flesh. It appeared that the second group"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:51", "text": "of aliens could not survive if exposed"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "to the Earth's atmosphere. The need to"}, {"start": "00:23:51", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "remove all evidence of the event from"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "the two crash sites limited the amount"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "of crash reconstruction which could be"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "accomplished by the recovery team with"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "the consequence that it is it has never"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "been made clear what exactly caused the"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:08", "text": "crash. Unfortunately, the large number"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "of civilian and military personnel who"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:12", "text": "witnessed physical evidence at the crash"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:15", "text": "sites and back at the Roswell base"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "created a significant security hazard,"}, {"start": "00:24:15", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "which was dealt with by intimidation and"}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:24", "text": "bribery of the witnesses to the extent"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "that those means proved effective"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:27", "text": "until unofficial investigators,"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:29", "text": "journalists, writers, and others began"}, {"start": "00:24:27", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "renewing investigation of the subject in"}, {"start": "00:24:29", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "the early 1980s. These techniques were"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "largely successful in keeping the truth"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "of Ro of the Roswell event from the"}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:40", "text": "public as well as its ominous"}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "implications. Now, we know this to be"}, {"start": "00:24:40", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "true as well. Even someone like our"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "friend James Fox had interviewed, I"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:50", "text": "believe, some Roswell witnesses and many"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "more. There are some floating around on"}, {"start": "00:24:50", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "YouTube as well, and they all say the"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "same thing. They were intimidated by"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "these uh sort of men that showed up and"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:02", "text": "said, \"Hey, it's a big desert out there."}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "They'll never find your body.\" And yeah,"}, {"start": "00:25:02", "end": "00:25:07", "text": "those tactics, unfortunately, are"}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:10", "text": "probably still applied today. I'd like"}, {"start": "00:25:07", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "to see them try."}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "I actually wouldn't probably wet myself."}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "All right, here we go."}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:25:20", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "the autopsies on the bodies of the"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "creatures showed that they were of very"}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:30", "text": "light build and clearly not from this"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "planet."}, {"start": "00:25:30", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "The simplicity of their brain structures"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "and non-communication in the face of"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "stalwart efforts by researchers led"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "investigators at the time to conclude"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "that they were not the original"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "designers and builders of the craft"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:49", "text": "involved in the incident."}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "Rather, it's seen that they were"}, {"start": "00:25:49", "end": "00:25:55", "text": "biological robots designed and bred for"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "the purpose of undertaking such"}, {"start": "00:25:55", "end": "00:26:01", "text": "dangerous missions as flying through the"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "atmosphere of an alien world."}, {"start": "00:26:01", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "The survivor finally died when its body"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "accumulated toxic waste products from"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:13", "text": "its metabolism. There were no apparent"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "excreatory system or sexual organs."}, {"start": "00:26:13", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "Consistent with this biological robot"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:19", "text": "hypothesis was the complete absence of"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:23", "text": "any galley or food stores aboard the"}, {"start": "00:26:19", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "craft. Of course, possibility of there"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "being a mother ship from which these"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:30", "text": "craft came was also considered and was"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:32", "text": "the less likely possibility that these"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "small craft could themselves attain"}, {"start": "00:26:32", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "transumalininal speeds. The propulsion"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "system of the craft of obvious priority"}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "interest to our group was inter"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "indeterminate for long after its"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:47", "text": "recovery. While still subject to the"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "laws of physics, as we imperfectly"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "understand them, the craft's workings"}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "went far beyond our technological grasp"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "at the time. Unfamiliar, nearly magical"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "technology was displayed. devices that"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "we now know as integrated circuits,"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:08", "text": "fiber optics, super tenacious fibers and"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "metals, and an unfathomable power source"}, {"start": "00:27:08", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "and drive mechanism, as well as other"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "technology which it is not necessary to"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "discuss in this document."}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "Perhaps Velcro"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "or the Shamwow."}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "Um, yeah, we've heard that before. fiber"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "optics, specifically memory metal as"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "well. Um, silicon chips perhaps,"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:35", "text": "microprocessors. Very interesting."}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:37", "text": "The military implications of the"}, {"start": "00:27:35", "end": "00:27:39", "text": "presence of these craft in our"}, {"start": "00:27:37", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "atmosphere and the possibility that they"}, {"start": "00:27:39", "end": "00:27:43", "text": "may have established friendly"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:47", "text": "communications with our cold war enemies"}, {"start": "00:27:43", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "were obvious and unsettling. By the way,"}, {"start": "00:27:47", "end": "00:27:54", "text": "can we just mention that uh our author"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "seamlessly"}, {"start": "00:27:54", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "referred to these beings as"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "smoothrained,"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "although the lack of excoratory systems"}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:08", "text": "kind of matches up with the"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "um molecular biologist who talks about"}, {"start": "00:28:08", "end": "00:28:12", "text": "them secretreting, you know, their"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:16", "text": "waste, pooping through their skin in the"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "more, you know, clinical term. Um, but"}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:20", "text": "again, this is written in 1998. So,"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "could that later article that we read on"}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:28", "text": "Reddit be derived from cases or um texts"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "such as these? That is a high"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:32", "text": "possibility, and I do keep that in mind."}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "The discovery of these craft led to an"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "equally unsettling re-examination of the"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:39", "text": "European intelligence reports referred"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "to above as well as the postwar"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:43", "text": "investigation by General Jimmy"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "Doolittle. That's a real name of the"}, {"start": "00:28:43", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "ghost rockets of Norway. See appendix C"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "attached top secret report of General"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "James Doolittle."}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "President was made aware of these"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "developments and order the formation of"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "a special group of prominent scientists,"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "cabinet, military and intelligence"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:08", "text": "officers, the popular literature bandies"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "about the name of Majestic 12 or MJ12"}, {"start": "00:29:08", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "for this special secret task force"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "formed by the president. Other names by"}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "which it has been identified in the"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:22", "text": "public mind through disinformation"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "programs are project saucer and"}, {"start": "00:29:22", "end": "00:29:27", "text": "Aquarius."}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:29", "text": "Now this is probably referring to"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "Richard Dodie or William Moore and the"}, {"start": "00:29:29", "end": "00:29:35", "text": "sort of disinformation campaign that was"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "led uh that led people to you know that"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:40", "text": "led people to stray from the real"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "information. While it is possible that"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "any one or more of these was the name of"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "the group at one time, for most of its"}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:49", "text": "existence, the code name for the group"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "and the extensive program which it"}, {"start": "00:29:49", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "spawned has been and still is"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "zodiac. Zodiac. Zodiac. Zodiac"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "with each of its operational"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "subdivisions known by the name of a"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "different zodiacal sign including"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:09", "text": "Aquarius."}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:11", "text": "So that's interesting."}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:13", "text": "You know what else is interesting? That"}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "Aquarius"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "and zodiac signs are constellations."}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "This is a new piece of information that"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "has been brought forward."}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "You know, Matthew Brown, whistleblower,"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:31", "text": "had mentioned uh Immaculate"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "Constellation being this sort of I think"}, {"start": "00:30:31", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "gathering intelligence gathering"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:39", "text": "platform that used all other"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:42", "text": "intelligence gathering platforms"}, {"start": "00:30:39", "end": "00:30:44", "text": "and sort of gathered all the UAP data"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:47", "text": "into one neat bundle and that was known"}, {"start": "00:30:44", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "as the Immaculate Constellation. But if"}, {"start": "00:30:47", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "you think about zodiac, Aquarius"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "constellations like there is a pattern"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "here. Also 12 zodiac signs, majestic 12."}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:01", "text": "Folks, we are connecting the dots today."}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "This is more than just a mere"}, {"start": "00:31:01", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "coincidence."}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "Or maybe it's not. As the years passed,"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "the operational involvement of high"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "government officials in Zodiac wanted to"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "a certain degree, especially with the"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "conclusion of the Eisenhower"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "administration. Although most presidents"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:20", "text": "were still kept informed of low-key"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "overview facts as they came to light."}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "However, it fell to the agency"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:28", "text": "supervisors of Zodiac to determine who"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "else in the government should have"}, {"start": "00:31:28", "end": "00:31:32", "text": "access to this very closely held and"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "highly compartmentalized information to"}, {"start": "00:31:32", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "the point that like the heads of the"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:38", "text": "military intelligence before World War"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "II, they sometimes decided not to share"}, {"start": "00:31:38", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "information with certain presidents,"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "including Nixon and Ford. All other"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "presidents were kept reasonably well"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:50", "text": "informed, including Jimmy Carter, who"}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "went back on his pledge to reveal all"}, {"start": "00:31:50", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "the information the government had on"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "UFOs once he was elected president."}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "Well, as of the early 1980s, the agency"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "exercised complete control over Zodiac"}, {"start": "00:32:02", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "with the cooperation of the rest of the"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": "intelligence community and the military"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "branches, particularly the Air Force and"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "the Navy, from 1947 to the early 1980s."}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:19", "text": "Zodiac recovered 11 other alien craft in"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "various states of disrepair from a"}, {"start": "00:32:19", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "dimminionive single seat flying wing to"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:28", "text": "a rather large craft that had to be"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:30", "text": "trucked into Wright Patterson by dead of"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "night. I believe that's probably Aztec"}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:35", "text": "by the way. Some craft were turned over"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "to our government by friendly powers,"}, {"start": "00:32:35", "end": "00:32:40", "text": "most notably Denmark, which allowed the"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "US to retrieve a rather large disc that"}, {"start": "00:32:40", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "had submerged off the Danish coast."}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "Occasionally, a live craft occupant was"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "recovered as well. Come on, the Danes."}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:55", "text": "Really?"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "There are ongoing efforts to discover"}, {"start": "00:32:55", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "the technological secrets of the"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "recovered craft and to reverse engineer"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "them on their subsystems. But so far"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "these efforts have met with limited"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:07", "text": "success. Materials, technology, and"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "knowledge of physics of the builders of"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:12", "text": "the craft still present considerable"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "obstacles to matching their observed"}, {"start": "00:33:12", "end": "00:33:16", "text": "performance characteristics."}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "Makes you wonder if we've gotten any"}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "further. And I bet we have. Maybe only"}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "incrementally, but still. This is 1998,"}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "nearly 20 years later. A lot has"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:30", "text": "changed."}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "30 years later, pardon me."}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "Besides the technology,"}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:40", "text": "the beings found with these craft are"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "central to the program's investigations."}, {"start": "00:33:40", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "There seem to be at least four types of"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "occupants. The two described above, as"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "well as humanoids that appear to be"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:54", "text": "almost human and Nordic in appearance"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "and small, strong, hairy ones. Wait,"}, {"start": "00:33:54", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "what?"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "I was expecting to hear about mantids."}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "Somehow we're getting uh I don't know"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "small hairy ones."}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "Okay, you've heard about these though."}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "These have come up in lore. Not Bigfoot,"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:21", "text": "but like shaggy small hairy ones. Uh"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "even I believe it was Jeremy Weekes who"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "said um according to him during his"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "abduction"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:29", "text": "one was sort of leaving the room as he"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:31", "text": "was entering the room. So very"}, {"start": "00:34:29", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "interesting. You don't hear much about"}, {"start": "00:34:31", "end": "00:34:37", "text": "these ones though. Underrated aliens."}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:40", "text": "Okay. There may be others, but these are"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "all that have been recovered to date. It"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:43", "text": "is possible that one or more of these"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "types represent only a subtype of the"}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "others. There's no evidence of"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:49", "text": "telepathic communication abilities of"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:51", "text": "these creatures. Speculation in the"}, {"start": "00:34:49", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "popular literature notwithstanding."}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "However, there is some sort of"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "empathetic manipulation, thought control"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "ability as detailed below and in various"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "attached appendices."}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "Whoa."}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "So, they can manipulate your emotions."}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:14", "text": "That is crazy. But they can't"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "apparently allegedly perform any"}, {"start": "00:35:14", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "telepathic abilities. But wouldn't that"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "feel the same? That's interesting."}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:27", "text": "Straight away, you know,"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "all types of experiencers have come out"}, {"start": "00:35:27", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "and said that the beings when they look"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:32", "text": "in their eyes, they're sort of flooded"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "with endorphins and this feeling of"}, {"start": "00:35:32", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "calmness or everything's going to be"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "okay or feeling of familiarity with the"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "beings like they know them and they know"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "that they're they don't mean any harm."}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "Even Jake Barber when encountering one"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "of these craft was kind of completely"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:52", "text": "disarmed and brought to tears uh from"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "some emotional heightening."}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "So that's interesting that they have"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:59", "text": "that power to sort of manipulate us"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "perhaps only chemically in the brain to"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "flood us with these you know good"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "hormones. Details of the following"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:09", "text": "incident should be carefully considered"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "and recalled as they will be useful to"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "you during the first phases of your"}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "assignment. As you progress, you'll be"}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "regularly debriefed and subsequently"}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "introduced to new phases, each of which"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "may or may not have any direct relevance"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "to what has gone before. As such, each"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "anecdote like the following is to be"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:32", "text": "utilized strictly for the discrete phase"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "which introduces unless you're"}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "instructed otherwise."}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:38", "text": "Any deviation from this practice and"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "attitude will be clearly evident and"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "will result in your immediate"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "termination."}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "By the late60s, Zodiac had been able to"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "recruit members from an elite recovery"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "team. 67 well-trained men were"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "dispatched to the sights of crash"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "landings and had by the 1970s perfected"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "the tasks of completely and thoroughly"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "documenting all actions and cleaning up"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "any debris remaining after these"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "incidents. The efficiency,"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:12", "text": "trustworthiness, and expertise of these"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "men was and is unquestioned."}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "Within the last 48 hours, the team was"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "dispatched to a remote site in the"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "Midwest where a craft and bodies were"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:22", "text": "collected and fied to the appropriate"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "locations, seemingly without incident."}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:26", "text": "Wow. Okay."}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "These men always comply with strict"}, {"start": "00:37:26", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "directions to document practically every"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "single minute of these operations. They"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "are debriefed immediately after each"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "operation. This time it's become clear"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:39", "text": "to our debriefing teams at Wright"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "Patterson that the first members"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "questioned could not account for an hour"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "and a half's worth of time spent at the"}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "site."}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "The pattern of forgetfulness was exact"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:38:01", "text": "with every team member debriefed so far."}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "Debriefings were cut off for the day."}, {"start": "00:38:01", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "Whoa, this is cool. I'm"}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "I'm very heavily invested now."}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:17", "text": "I love that the recovery team"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:20", "text": "has now become experiencers missing"}, {"start": "00:38:17", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "time. Were they abducted?"}, {"start": "00:38:20", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "I'm very interested now."}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:27", "text": "You have been selected to be part of a"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "newly forming debriefing team whose task"}, {"start": "00:38:27", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "will be correlation and analysis of"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:34", "text": "these events."}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "Clearly, the commonality of the gap in"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:39", "text": "memory among the team members was"}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:41", "text": "induced somehow either by some sort of"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:43", "text": "localized phenomenon having nothing to"}, {"start": "00:38:41", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "do with the recovered craft or by"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "contact with the downed craft. But these"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "two options are tentatively rejected for"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "lack of supporting evidence. We never"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "encountered this phenomenon before. We"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:58", "text": "fully appreciate that you have been"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "introduced to this material on a rather"}, {"start": "00:38:58", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "short-term basis. Ordinarily, your"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:05", "text": "introduction to this information would"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "be more gradual."}, {"start": "00:39:05", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "But we have no time. We need to get to"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "the bottom of this in short order. We"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "selected you for your unique experience"}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:16", "text": "in debriefing and interrogation. We kept"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "some of the more senior team members on"}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "base for you to interview. Your"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:23", "text": "assignment is to find out why even the"}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "most senior members of the team shared"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:29", "text": "in this memory gap and to find out what"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "happened during that hour and a half."}, {"start": "00:39:29", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "You are to keep in mind that each of"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "these team members is a highly valued"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "person of unique abilities whose loyalty"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:42", "text": "and patriotism is above reproach."}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:44", "text": "Although you are to draw your own"}, {"start": "00:39:42", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "conclusions in your report to me, you"}, {"start": "00:39:44", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "should be advised that the impression of"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "those who've conducted the interview so"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:53", "text": "far is that the team members genuinely"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:55", "text": "cannot recall what happened to them or"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "what happened out there. Indeed, they"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:59", "text": "were not even aware of the time gaps in"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "their reports until they were advised of"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "them by the debriefers. Your report is"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "to be in writing and is to have one"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "original and no copies."}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:13", "text": "It is to be handd delivered by you to"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "me. It is to bear the security stamps"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:19", "text": "top secret zodiac and eyes only. You"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "will let no one see your report but me"}, {"start": "00:40:19", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "and you will not share its contents with"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "those with whom you are working at"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "Wright Patterson without my"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:29", "text": "authorization."}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "We cannot be certain of anything just"}, {"start": "00:40:29", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "yet but need to collect as much data as"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:34", "text": "possible in order to deal with this"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "phenomenon in a manner consistent with"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "national security. I will require your"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "report within 48 hours. At this time,"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "please read this at least once more."}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "It will not be made available to you"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "again. Yours truly, Colonel David H."}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "USAF."}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "Masters read it through again."}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:03", "text": "When he looked up, an Air Force captain"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "had entered the room. \"Are you finished"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:07", "text": "with the letter?\" he asked in a flat"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:11", "text": "tone."}, {"start": "00:41:07", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "I'm done with it. Master sighed. For the"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "first time in his professional career,"}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "heard his own voice waver with what"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:21", "text": "sounded like nervousness."}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:23", "text": "He handed the letter to the captain, who"}, {"start": "00:41:21", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "took it without comment, counting the"}, {"start": "00:41:23", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "pages."}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:30", "text": "The captain took out a cigarette lighter"}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:32", "text": "and lit the corners of the pages,"}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:34", "text": "gingerly, dropping them into a red burn"}, {"start": "00:41:32", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "barrel, stirring the ashes with a metal"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:38", "text": "rod."}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:42", "text": "After the papers had been reduced to"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "small wisps of white ash, the captain"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "took another piece of paper out of his"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "briefcase, signed it, and presented it"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "to the airmen, who also signed it. The"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "airman then presented it to masters who"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:56", "text": "signed the sworn declaration of"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "witnessing the destruction of the"}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "document."}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "A writer researcher for over 20 years,"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": "Greg Halifax lives in South uh Southern"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "California. This is the first in an"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "occasional series of stories that while"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "presented to us from seemingly"}, {"start": "00:42:09", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "trustworthy sources are second or"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "thirdand anecdotes and cannot be"}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "verified at this time. They should be"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "weighed as such. Folks, that is part"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "one."}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "We got to read part two now. We got to"}, {"start": "00:42:25", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "get on with it. That is very"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "tantalizing. What do we make of this?"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:37", "text": "What do we make of this?"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "20% max. 15 maybe. Conviction level"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "raised by five, maybe 10%."}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "raised maybe by 10, then dropped by five"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:55", "text": "at the burning of the page, which I felt"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "a little ceremonious and dramatic,"}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "especially stirring it with a little"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:01", "text": "metal metal rod."}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:04", "text": "I don't know, maybe that's the way"}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:06", "text": "people do things in the military. If"}, {"start": "00:43:04", "end": "00:43:08", "text": "you've witnessed something like this in"}, {"start": "00:43:06", "end": "00:43:12", "text": "a burn barrel done in front of you in a"}, {"start": "00:43:08", "end": "00:43:14", "text": "secret room, let me know. Just comment,"}, {"start": "00:43:12", "end": "00:43:15", "text": "I've seen it."}, {"start": "00:43:14", "end": "00:43:19", "text": "Not going to raise my conviction any,"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "but I'm curious. So, this first one was"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "from uh UFO magazine May June 1998. It"}, {"start": "00:43:25", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "was"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "volume 13 number three. And now we are"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "in volume 13 number five, September"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "1998."}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:42", "text": "SGE Master Story Part Two Trans X lost"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:44", "text": "retrieval phase"}, {"start": "00:43:42", "end": "00:43:46", "text": "by Greg Halifax."}, {"start": "00:43:44", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "Details on the deepest and blackest of"}, {"start": "00:43:46", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "clandestine UFO operations such as they"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "are stay safely beyond the reach of"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "average citizens. While this inevitably"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:58", "text": "frustrates us, it allows the secret"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:44:00", "text": "keepers to do the job of collecting UFO"}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "intelligence that might best serve the"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "military's agenda of maintaining at"}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "least an appearance of control."}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:11", "text": "The saga of SGE Masters, interrogation"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:14", "text": "specialist and jaded veteran of CIA co"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "covert ops began in the last issue."}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "Masters was swiftly inducted into UFO"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "program Zodiac after reading a special"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:24", "text": "briefing on a bizarre UFO crash"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:27", "text": "retrieval."}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:29", "text": "That operation left the entire 67man"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:31", "text": "recovery team with over an hour of"}, {"start": "00:44:29", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "missing time. and masters had been"}, {"start": "00:44:31", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "tasked to find what lies behind the"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "collective memory lapse. What you're"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "about to read is largely unverified, but"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "that doesn't mean it's not true. Or in"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "other words, folks, keep suspending your"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "disbelief. Here we go. The captain"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:52", "text": "introduced himself and then requested"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "that masters follow him to one of the"}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:57", "text": "debriefing rooms. They entered a spare"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "room with a metal metallic table, neon"}, {"start": "00:44:57", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "lighting, and three metal chairs, two"}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "occupied. On the table sat a clipboard,"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:06", "text": "a water pitcher, and three microphones"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:09", "text": "wired to a Sony recording unit off to"}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "the side of the room. Seated in the"}, {"start": "00:45:09", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "first chair was a civilian wearing a"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:17", "text": "polo shirt and cardigan."}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "I promise you, I was nowhere near this"}, {"start": "00:45:17", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "uh facility."}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "He was slouched."}, {"start": "00:45:25", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "leaning far over the table. His hair was"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "longish and he wore a beard. Okay."}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "I feel like you ever you ever see the"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "movie Never- Ending Story where you're"}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "like you're reading your own story."}, {"start": "00:45:40", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "His name was Chris Ramsay. What the"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "heck? No. Okay, I just made that up."}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:50", "text": "Psychologist. Master's guessed"}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "correctly. Seated across from him was"}, {"start": "00:45:50", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "another man, tall, lean, with steely"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "gray hair and steely eyes to match. He"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "gave the initial appearance of being"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "relaxed, but upon closer inspection,"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "masters could see that the man was still"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "ready for action. He knew the look,"}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:09", "text": "having seen it many times before. The"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:11", "text": "shrink and the tall fellow stood up and"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:13", "text": "were introduced to masters by the"}, {"start": "00:46:11", "end": "00:46:14", "text": "captain, who then withdrew. During the"}, {"start": "00:46:13", "end": "00:46:16", "text": "walk over to the debriefing room, the"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "captain had explained that the civilian"}, {"start": "00:46:16", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "would conduct the first part of the"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "interrogation, both to give Masters a"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:25", "text": "feel for how debriefings were generally"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "handed at Zodiac and also to help orient"}, {"start": "00:46:25", "end": "00:46:30", "text": "Masters as he picked up the the thread"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "of the debriefing. Masters was not"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "entirely at home with this arrangement."}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "He had long ago become the master of his"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "own show with the agency and was not"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:41", "text": "used to being a spectator at a"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "debriefing. But he inwardly acknowledged"}, {"start": "00:46:41", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "the wisdom of the approach. Moreover, he"}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:47", "text": "knew that he was still having difficulty"}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:50", "text": "in coming to terms with the letter from"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:53", "text": "the colonel. He would need time to"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "assess what was to be done and was so"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "grateful that he would not have to begin"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "the interrogation."}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "The tall man, with the steady, steely"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "gaze, began his rendition of the events"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "of the previous day, occasionally"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "referring to his handwritten notes on"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "the clipboard before him. He was the"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "colonel in charge of the security"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "detail. Masters thought it rather odd"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "that a lieutenant colonel would"}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:15", "text": "personally command such a small"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:17", "text": "detachment of men. As if picking up his"}, {"start": "00:47:15", "end": "00:47:19", "text": "thought, the colonel explained that the"}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "army had been tasked to establish a"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "multi-layered security cordon around the"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "crash area and that the recovery team"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "was inserted by truck and helicopter"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "from Wright Patterson. His men provided"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "security around the immediate crash"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "site. After that, the operation went as"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "usual, he said, describing how cordons,"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "cordons, uh, were set up in concentric"}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "rings around the craft. Radiation, gas,"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "and biochemical readings were taken by"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "men in multi-hazard suits. There were"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "some radiation readings, but nothing"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "dangerous. The craft was mostly intact,"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:56", "text": "even though it had plainly come in hard."}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "All of the alien occupants were said to"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "be aboard. The physicians and biologists"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "there pronounced that all alien"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "occupants were dead. He went on. The"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "recovery team docks were disappointed,"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:09", "text": "but I was relieved, the colonel"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:11", "text": "admitted."}, {"start": "00:48:09", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "The heavy equipment operators went to"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "work to extract the craft without"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:17", "text": "causing it further damage. All in all,"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:20", "text": "colonel said without any trace of irony"}, {"start": "00:48:17", "end": "00:48:22", "text": "that masters could detect this was a"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "routine recovery. The colonel had"}, {"start": "00:48:22", "end": "00:48:26", "text": "recovered other craft before without"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "difficulty most of the time, and this"}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "particular operation went smoothly"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "because the site was blessedly distant"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "from population centers and air roots,"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:38", "text": "he noted. There were no security"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:39", "text": "intrusions whatsoever. The colonel"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:41", "text": "steadily flipped through his notes on"}, {"start": "00:48:39", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "the clipboard and gave a detailed"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:44", "text": "account of how security was established"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "for the area and maintained throughout"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:51", "text": "the recovery. But then it happened. The"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "shrink noticed too and cast masters a"}, {"start": "00:48:51", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "fleeting"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "sidelong glance."}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:48:59", "text": "Up to this point, the colonel's"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "rendition of events had been moment by"}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "moment, almost burlesquely detailed in"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "the minutiae of the challenges"}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "presented, tasks performed and decisions"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "made the uh in rel in the relatively"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "mundane mission of establishing and"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:14", "text": "maintaining security around an area that"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:16", "text": "had already been secured by a much"}, {"start": "00:49:14", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "larger army. cordon established beyond"}, {"start": "00:49:16", "end": "00:49:20", "text": "the horizon of the crash site. Then"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "without skipping a beat, the colonel"}, {"start": "00:49:20", "end": "00:49:24", "text": "jumped ahead to the point in time where"}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:25", "text": "the crane lifted the downcraft with the"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:28", "text": "harness onto a low boy to be trucked"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:31", "text": "back to the base, covered by framing,"}, {"start": "00:49:28", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "disguise, and metal metallic tarp. In"}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "effect, the colonel had abruptly skipped"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:36", "text": "in an hour, an hour and a half of the"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "process after reporting almost minuteby"}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "minute what had occurred in the previous"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "3 hours. That's wild. Imagine someone"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:44", "text": "telling you a story and then just like"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "skipping ahead an hour and a You're"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "like, \"Whoa, where'd you go?\" And"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "they're like, \"What do you mean?\""}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "His tone never varying. The colonel went"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:56", "text": "back to describing the minutiae of"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "establishing security for the convoy"}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "back to the base. Use of helicopters,"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:04", "text": "local police, army MPs, etc. The"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:05", "text": "frustrated psychologist was about to"}, {"start": "00:50:04", "end": "00:50:07", "text": "interrupt the colonel to take him back"}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "over the gap when Masters tapped the"}, {"start": "00:50:07", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "shrink's right leg with his left hand,"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "shooting him a glance, which told the"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "shrink to let the colonel go on to the"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "end of his story unimpeded."}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "The colonel went on as if giving an"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "operational briefing, but in a tone"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "appropriate for the intimate"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "circumstances"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:31", "text": "of the small audience in a small room."}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "In another hour, his rendition complete,"}, {"start": "00:50:31", "end": "00:50:35", "text": "he finished off with the securing of the"}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "craft and the remains in a special"}, {"start": "00:50:35", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "receiving building on the base. He then"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "saw to his men getting fed and reporting"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:46", "text": "to the briefing area. The tape word on"}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:49", "text": "quietly. The shrink looked over at"}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "Masters. Colonel, may I see your notes?"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:53", "text": "Masters asked. The colonel flashed an"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "inquiring glance at the shrink, who"}, {"start": "00:50:53", "end": "00:50:58", "text": "quickly nodded his approval."}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "The colonel handed the clipboard to"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:01", "text": "masters who flipped through the pages."}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "The notes were written in small block"}, {"start": "00:51:01", "end": "00:51:07", "text": "letters. The time was carefully noted in"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:10", "text": "military 24-hour notation down the left"}, {"start": "00:51:07", "end": "00:51:12", "text": "margin of the graph paper pad. A very"}, {"start": "00:51:10", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "methodical guy, thought masters. Several"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "pages back he found the gap."}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:21", "text": "There was no space on the page to mark"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "its place in the flow of events."}, {"start": "00:51:21", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "The time margin notes simply skipped"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:28", "text": "ahead an hour and a half from the"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "beginnings of the excavation to the"}, {"start": "00:51:28", "end": "00:51:33", "text": "securing of the harness to lift the"}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:35", "text": "thing onto the lowboy. Masters looked at"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "the colonel who gazed back at him with"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:40", "text": "the superficial appearance of openness"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:42", "text": "in his eyes. Master knew that there was"}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:45", "text": "more. The colonel had not been wholly"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:47", "text": "successful in keeping the contempt he"}, {"start": "00:51:45", "end": "00:51:50", "text": "felt for agency spooks out of his voice"}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "during the introductions and in his eyes"}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "on two other occasions during the"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "debrief."}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "Masters made a mental note to leverage"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "that attitude in his exploration of the"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:02", "text": "gap."}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "On the other hand, the captain had given"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:08", "text": "Masters a quick rundown on the colonel's"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "resume on the brisk walk over."}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:13", "text": "He was one tough customer. One of those"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "men that at the command structure called"}, {"start": "00:52:13", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "upon to take care of the rough stuff. A"}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "man much like masters himself. This was"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:23", "text": "not a guy to mess with lightly."}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "Colonel, your notes appear to be very"}, {"start": "00:52:23", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "thorough. Thank you, sir. The colonel"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "responded flatly with the barest hint of"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "a smile. You seem to have recorded every"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "event in fine detail here in your notes,"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "masters continued, gesturing toward the"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:42", "text": "colonel's clipboard on the table."}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "Yes, sir, said the colonel. Now, without"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "a smile,"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "the colonel could sense it coming,"}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "even though he seemed to have no notion"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:55", "text": "of what this CIA spook was getting at."}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:57", "text": "What the hell? Thought masters. Here"}, {"start": "00:52:55", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "goes. And he spoke firmly. Colonel, what"}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "happened back there 10 pages back down"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "at the bottom? The colonel looked at the"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:08", "text": "page, then looked up at masters."}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "I'm sorry, sir. I don't follow you."}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "Sir, there's over an hour gap in your"}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "notes right there on that page. And no"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "such gap exists anywhere else in your"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "notes. Why is that, Colonel? The colonel"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "seemed perplexed by this information and"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "quickly looked at his notes. He was"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:25", "text": "clearly taken aback by the gap in the"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "margin notes."}, {"start": "00:53:25", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "It was equally clear that he was"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:32", "text": "searching his recollection of events for"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:34", "text": "some explanation. For the first time,"}, {"start": "00:53:32", "end": "00:53:36", "text": "his professional demeanor slipped and a"}, {"start": "00:53:34", "end": "00:53:39", "text": "look of confusion crossed his face."}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "Masters could see that the colonel had"}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:44", "text": "no clue as to why there was a gap. The"}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:47", "text": "colonel said nothing, just flipping the"}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:48", "text": "note pages back and forth,"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:51", "text": "as if there was a page that had gotten"}, {"start": "00:53:48", "end": "00:53:55", "text": "stuck to the one above it. and he just"}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:59", "text": "stopped looked at the psychologist"}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "and then masters he stammered I I don't"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "know sir I have no idea why there are no"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:06", "text": "notes for that period perhaps things"}, {"start": "00:54:04", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "were going smoothly that I had nothing"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:11", "text": "to note down masters decided to press"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "but colonel the entire operation went"}, {"start": "00:54:11", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "smoothly yet you found every detail"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "worthy of note before this point what"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "made this portion different at this the"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "colonel's face went blank After a"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:25", "text": "moment, his expression brightened. We"}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "can check with my exo. I'm sure that"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "chat can fill in this time period. He's"}, {"start": "00:54:27", "end": "00:54:31", "text": "a good man for detail. That's why I"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "selected him for the team."}, {"start": "00:54:31", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "We already checked with your exo,"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "Colonel. The shrink broke in, his jaw"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:40", "text": "tightening. His notes and his rendition"}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "of events have the same gap. The colonel"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:44", "text": "was plainly non plused by this"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "Masters pressed on. Colonel, forget"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "about your notes for a minute."}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "Do you recall what happened during that"}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "hour and a half or so? The colonel"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "stared at the governmentissue gray metal"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:00", "text": "table surface as if his notes of that"}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "period were written there."}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "After 45 long seconds, he said quietly"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "as if his answer were a surprise to"}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:09", "text": "himself."}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "No."}, {"start": "00:55:09", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "Masters looked at the psychologist for a"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "moment, then pushed his chair back from"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "the table. Colonel, thank you. Wait a"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "minute. Is that it? The Colonel barked."}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:21", "text": "\"Well, for the moment,\" said Masters."}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "\"Let's sleep on it, and we'll resume"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "this in the morning. You and your men"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "have a long day. Maybe everything will"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "be more clear after everyone is more"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:32", "text": "rested.\" Masters was able to dodge the"}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": "colonel's impulse to argue, spinning"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "about and leaving the room, dragging the"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "dimminionive shrink along with him. He"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "pulled the shrink into the next"}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:41", "text": "unoccupied debriefing room and closed"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "the door. \"Doctor, I want typewritten"}, {"start": "00:55:41", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "transcripts of each of the interviews"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "with the recovery team,\" Masters"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "murmured, his voice slow and even. and I"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "want them as soon as possible. Even if"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:54", "text": "you have to keep everyone up all night"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:57", "text": "and even if you have to have brigaders"}, {"start": "00:55:54", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "typing them."}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "Can you do that? Masters asked, making"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "it clear that it was not a question. The"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "doc took a small step back. Uh, sure."}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "I'll check with the captain. A lot of"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "them are already being transcribed now."}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:15", "text": "Masters warmed to his place of"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:17", "text": "authority."}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "Please arrange to bring them to my"}, {"start": "00:56:17", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "quarters as they are completed along"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "with the tapes."}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "Smaller man hesitated. Well, I I'll need"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "to check with the captain. Look, Doc,"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "check with anyone you want, but get me"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:32", "text": "the damn transcripts and I'll take care"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "of the captain."}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "As it turned out, the captain was way"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:40", "text": "ahead of them and had already made all"}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "of these arrangements and more. It meant"}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "just as the letter had said. Every one"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "of the team members drew a blank when"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:49", "text": "pressed about the missing time. After"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "the 15th transcript, Masters turned off"}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "his light, rolled over, and tried to go"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "to sleep, but sleep would not come. The"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:57", "text": "accumulated knowledge of the past few"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:56:59", "text": "days jammed into his mind. First, he"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "learned that his government really"}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "believed that there were flying saucers"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:06", "text": "and little green gray men"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "and that they were covertly funding this"}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:10", "text": "rather elaborate program to run around"}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "at night surreptitiously collecting"}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "these things whenever they slipped a cog"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:18", "text": "and crashed."}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:20", "text": "Then, as if that were not enough, a"}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "bunch of hard-bitten cold warriors go"}, {"start": "00:57:20", "end": "00:57:25", "text": "out to hold the eggheheads hands and"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:27", "text": "keep away the riff raff while the"}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:31", "text": "eggheheads recover this saucer thing."}, {"start": "00:57:27", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "And no one can remember what the hell"}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "happened. What's going on here? Worse"}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:38", "text": "still, they all forgot the same hour and"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:42", "text": "a half."}, {"start": "00:57:38", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "What the holy hell is happening here?"}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:46", "text": "He finally drifted off to a fitful sleep"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:48", "text": "just before dawn, about 20 minutes"}, {"start": "00:57:46", "end": "00:57:51", "text": "before the airmen knocked on his door to"}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "wake him. Masters decided that it was"}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:55", "text": "all fine and good for the military boys"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:57", "text": "to demonstrate how wonderfully"}, {"start": "00:57:55", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "disciplined they were at dawn by being"}, {"start": "00:57:57", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "all starched and chipper, but he'd had"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "it with all that long ago. He politely"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "but firmly informed the airmen that"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:09", "text": "there would be a change of plans and"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "that he would be rising at noon. Thank"}, {"start": "00:58:09", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "you. The airmen started to stammer out a"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "protest, but something in Master's tone"}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "told the airmen that this was probably"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "not a good idea."}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "At the crack of one, Masters blurily"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:25", "text": "arose, cleaned up, and made his way to"}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "the captain's office escorted by the"}, {"start": "00:58:25", "end": "00:58:31", "text": "ubiquitous overarmed airmen."}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:33", "text": "\"You all right?\" the captain asked."}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:36", "text": "Masters could not tell if he was being"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "cute or if it was a sincere inquiry."}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:39", "text": "Once he and the captain were alone, the"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:42", "text": "captain made it clear that the inquiry"}, {"start": "00:58:39", "end": "00:58:44", "text": "was genuine. Look, it's quite a jolt to"}, {"start": "00:58:42", "end": "00:58:46", "text": "everyone the first time that they're"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:47", "text": "introduced to this stuff. On top of it,"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "you get pushed into something that none"}, {"start": "00:58:47", "end": "00:58:52", "text": "of us had seen before. No one can blame"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:55", "text": "you for feeling a little disoriented by"}, {"start": "00:58:52", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "all this, the captain commiserated."}, {"start": "00:58:55", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "Yeah, said Masters. So, what's next?"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "We start again, and you get to start"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "with the colonel."}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:07", "text": "Wait a minute, Captain. Masters"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "interrupted. Why don't we cut to the"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "chase here and break out the sodium"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "penol and the other drugs? What about"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:16", "text": "hypnosis? I mean, I've been at this for"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "a while, and I can tell you that the"}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "that your colonel there is the kind of"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "guy that if he thought he had something"}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:25", "text": "to tell us, he would already have told"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "us. We're wasting our time here. But"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:29", "text": "masters could tell from the captain's"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:32", "text": "reaction what the answer would be. The"}, {"start": "00:59:29", "end": "00:59:35", "text": "captain stiffened,"}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "said with pointedly measured words, \"Mr."}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:39", "text": "Masters.\" Whenever the military types"}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "did not much care for someone, they"}, {"start": "00:59:39", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "would place uncommon emphasis on the"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "first syllable of Mister."}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:47", "text": "I think my teacher did that when Mr."}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "Ramsay."}, {"start": "00:59:47", "end": "00:59:51", "text": "These are our people and their loyalty"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:54", "text": "is beyond question. We do not use truth"}, {"start": "00:59:51", "end": "00:59:56", "text": "serum on people like this. And we're not"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "going to hypnotize them either. I don't"}, {"start": "00:59:56", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "know how they do things at the agency,"}, {"start": "00:59:58", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "but that's how we do it here, sir."}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:07", "text": "Yeah. Yeah. All honorable men. Masters"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:09", "text": "thought to himself out loud, he said."}, {"start": "01:00:07", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "For your information, Captain."}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "That's the way we handle it at the"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:17", "text": "agency as well, he replied. But we need"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "answers, and if we don't get them, we're"}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:20", "text": "going to have to do something other than"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:22", "text": "shrug our shoulders and wonder what"}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "happened out there."}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "The captain seemed ready to take the"}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:28", "text": "matter to another level. But then he"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:29", "text": "shrugged it off. Mr. Masters,"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "once you've been in this area of"}, {"start": "01:00:29", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "intelligence for a while, you will"}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:33", "text": "probably become more accustomed to"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:35", "text": "running up blind alleys. But you're"}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "right. We have to do something about the"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:40", "text": "gap thing. But we also have to treat our"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "people with respect and dignity, not"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:46", "text": "like counter intel agents from Russia."}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:48", "text": "Very well, Captain Master said"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:49", "text": "impatiently."}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "Let's go see if the colonel has had a"}, {"start": "01:00:49", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "sudden recollection of things past,"}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "shall we? The shrank and the colonel"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:57", "text": "were already back in the grim little"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "debriefing room. The colonel did not"}, {"start": "01:00:57", "end": "01:01:01", "text": "look quite the same this morning. He was"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:04", "text": "pouring himself a glass of water, and as"}, {"start": "01:01:01", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "he did, masters noted that his hands"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "were shaking."}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "His eyes were averted."}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:14", "text": "\"What is this?\" thought Masters. The"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:16", "text": "shrink noted it too. Masters could see."}, {"start": "01:01:14", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "Tape on, Doc. Master said to the"}, {"start": "01:01:16", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "psychologist. \"Yeah, okay, Colonel. Did"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:24", "text": "you get a good night's rest?\" The"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:26", "text": "colonel looked up at Masters with a"}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:29", "text": "bewildered, desperate look. The steelyed"}, {"start": "01:01:26", "end": "01:01:32", "text": "eagle of a man was nowhere in evidence."}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "The colonel started slowly."}, {"start": "01:01:32", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "His voice a tremulous whisper."}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "Something h happened this morning."}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:45", "text": "I remember now."}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "It's all right to tell you now. It"}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:49", "text": "wasn't all right before."}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "Momentarily taken a back, master's"}, {"start": "01:01:49", "end": "01:01:57", "text": "queried. What do you mean by that?"}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "I don't know really. I I just know that"}, {"start": "01:01:57", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "I couldn't tell you yesterday."}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "But now it's okay. He blinked and"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:07", "text": "repeated."}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:10", "text": "It's okay now. That's all. Well,"}, {"start": "01:02:07", "end": "01:02:13", "text": "Colonel, who told you that it was okay?"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:15", "text": "Masters probed."}, {"start": "01:02:13", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "They did."}, {"start": "01:02:15", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "Colonel replied, looking as if he did"}, {"start": "01:02:17", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "not quite believe it himself."}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:25", "text": "The"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:28", "text": "aliens on the ship, said Colonel,"}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "clearly shaken by his own realization of"}, {"start": "01:02:28", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "what he was saying. Masters looked at"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:35", "text": "the shrink. The dead things on the crash"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:37", "text": "saucer."}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "No,"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:41", "text": "the ones on the big ship that showed up"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:44", "text": "as we were fitting the harness on the"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "crashed one."}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:48", "text": "Masters and the shrink shot each other a"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:51", "text": "look and both said at once, \"What big"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:54", "text": "ship that showed up?\" \"The There was a"}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:57", "text": "ship,\" his voice trembled."}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "A huge mother, 20 times larger than the"}, {"start": "01:02:57", "end": "01:03:02", "text": "one we were digging out. It just"}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:04", "text": "suddenly showed up overhead, took a"}, {"start": "01:03:02", "end": "01:03:08", "text": "position right above us, so low that we"}, {"start": "01:03:04", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "figured we thought that the we thought"}, {"start": "01:03:08", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "the army boys at the outer perimeter"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "wouldn't be able to see it. What did it"}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "do? asked Masters, flipping a pen"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "between his thumb and forefinger."}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "Nothing, said the colonel. It just"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "hovered up there."}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:25", "text": "Threatening us and trying to scare us"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "off from the wreck."}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:31", "text": "They didn't want us there. He closed his"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:34", "text": "eyes and his face drawn. They didn't"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "want us to take the craft or the bodies."}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:39", "text": "How did you know that? Did they tell you"}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "that over a PA system or something?"}, {"start": "01:03:39", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "A look of amusement quickly gone. The"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "colonel shivered. No, he said."}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:52", "text": "Believe me, they did not need a PA"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "system. It was real clear how they felt"}, {"start": "01:03:52", "end": "01:03:55", "text": "on the subject."}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "The colonel and the shrink again"}, {"start": "01:03:55", "end": "01:04:00", "text": "exchanged surprised glances. Masters"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:01", "text": "ventured. Are we talking telepathy here,"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "Colonel?"}, {"start": "01:04:01", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "He made no effort to hide the skepticism"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "in his voice, but the colonel seemed not"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "to notice. too busy reliving the moment"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "with the mother ship overhead."}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:18", "text": "\"No,"}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "not exactly,\" the colonel said slowly."}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:27", "text": "\"It wasn't telepathy. It was more just"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "like being able to feel their hostility."}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "We could feel"}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "that they did not want us there. We all"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:36", "text": "understood that. We didn't even need to"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:39", "text": "talk about it."}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:41", "text": "But it wasn't verbal. It It wasn't like"}, {"start": "01:04:39", "end": "01:04:43", "text": "we received a thought out sentence or"}, {"start": "01:04:41", "end": "01:04:46", "text": "anything like that."}, {"start": "01:04:43", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "We didn't need to. We"}, {"start": "01:04:46", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "We got the point."}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:54", "text": "Empathy, whispered the psychologist,"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "transfixed by the colonel's words."}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:59", "text": "\"Masters took a deep breath.\""}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:02", "text": "\"Okay, Colonel, what did you and your"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:05", "text": "men do once you felt this hostility from"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:09", "text": "the ship?\" he asked. I ordered the men"}, {"start": "01:05:05", "end": "01:05:12", "text": "to go weapons hot and wait to fire on my"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "command or at the first sign of an overt"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "attack. He looked down at the floor for"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "a few seconds."}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:21", "text": "The order was superfluous. Really? All"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:25", "text": "of us had already done that the minute"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:28", "text": "the damn thing showed up."}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:31", "text": "Was there any sign of hostility? No."}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:35", "text": "It just hovered there, emanating"}, {"start": "01:05:31", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "hostility for the next hour and a half."}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "We just held our ground, ready to shoot"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "it out of the sky at the first move it"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "made, but didn't do anything. \"So, what"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "happened eventually?\" Masters asked, his"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "voice softening."}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:50", "text": "The colonel squinted in frustration."}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "\"Just flew straight up into the night,"}, {"start": "01:05:50", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "and that was it.\""}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:57", "text": "He said, \"Guys went back to lifting the"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:05:59", "text": "wreck onto the trailer, and that was"}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:01", "text": "that. I guess we were all a little too"}, {"start": "01:05:59", "end": "01:06:04", "text": "busy to bother with noting our"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "procedures at that point. The slightest"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "tinge of sarcasm and defensiveness"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "entered his voice again."}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:15", "text": "Why didn't you tell us this before?"}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "Astress pressed again. There was no way."}, {"start": "01:06:15", "end": "01:06:20", "text": "I I I couldn't tell anyone. I I couldn't"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "even remember. But when I woke up this"}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "morning, I suddenly remembered it all"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "and knew that it was okay with them"}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "to tell you about it now."}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:37", "text": "Okay with them? Masters repeated slowly"}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "under his breath. There was a knock on"}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "the door and the captain ducked in."}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:42", "text": "Excuse me, gentlemen. Colonel, Mr."}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "Masters, Doc, could I see you outside"}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "for a minute, please?"}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:48", "text": "My apologies, Colonel. But the colonel"}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:51", "text": "seemed lost in thought and merely"}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "glanced up and waved the captain off."}, {"start": "01:06:51", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "Masters and the psychologist followed"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:56", "text": "the captain out in the hallway. The"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:06:57", "text": "captain seemed very excited. I don't"}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "know what's happening in your room, but"}, {"start": "01:06:57", "end": "01:07:00", "text": "I would bet money that the colonel"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "suddenly remembered a Mexican standoff"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:05", "text": "with some big ship that showed up and"}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:07", "text": "tried to scare our guys off. Am I right?"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:10", "text": "He looked expectantly from Masters to"}, {"start": "01:07:07", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "the psychologist. Our first 15 team"}, {"start": "01:07:10", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "members all said the same thing. Can you"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:16", "text": "believe it? The colonel said it too,"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "didn't he? Now, it was the shrink who"}, {"start": "01:07:16", "end": "01:07:21", "text": "was excited. Yes. Yeah, that's right."}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "It's as if uh the aliens uh turned on"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:25", "text": "their memories of the incident."}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:28", "text": "Little gray bastards of thought control"}, {"start": "01:07:25", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "and empathy projection. But can you"}, {"start": "01:07:28", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "believe this These great critters"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:34", "text": "get scarier at every turn. But masters"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "could see that the shrink was actually"}, {"start": "01:07:34", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "thrilled they were making this"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:39", "text": "discovery."}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:41", "text": "At the same time, he noticed that the"}, {"start": "01:07:39", "end": "01:07:44", "text": "captain wasn't nearly as thrilled. The"}, {"start": "01:07:41", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "truth, as it were, had not set him free."}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:48", "text": "A thought occurred to him. How do we"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:50", "text": "know that this version is the truth"}, {"start": "01:07:48", "end": "01:07:51", "text": "either, gentlemen?"}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "The captain and the doctor spun around"}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "to look at Masters. What do you mean?"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "Captain asked in a rush. They remember"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:03", "text": "what happened now."}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:07", "text": "Yeah. Masters agreed slowly."}, {"start": "01:08:03", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "Maybe, maybe not. These memories are now"}, {"start": "01:08:07", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "allowed by the aliens. The same aliens"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "that would not let them even talk about"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:19", "text": "it before. He turned to the shrink. Doc,"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:19", "text": "you know anything about hypnosis?"}, {"start": "01:08:19", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "The psychologist brightened. He saw what"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "Masters was getting at. You're talking"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:30", "text": "about screen memory, aren't you?"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:31", "text": "Like the aliens only allowed the team to"}, {"start": "01:08:30", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "remember what they wanted them to"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "remember, right? Yeah, something like"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "that. Masters replied."}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:41", "text": "You could see that this line of"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:44", "text": "questioning was making the captain cross"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:48", "text": "and uneasy."}, {"start": "01:08:44", "end": "01:08:51", "text": "Masters looked squarely at the captain."}, {"start": "01:08:48", "end": "01:08:53", "text": "So, Doc, how would one go about punching"}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:55", "text": "through that screen memory to get to the"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "truth?"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "Well, it isn't clear that it can be done"}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "at all, the captain snorted. But if it"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:05", "text": "can be done, it will be with either deep"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "hypnosis or some sort of inhibition"}, {"start": "01:09:05", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "reducing drug like sodium penol. Even"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "then, it isn't certain that we can break"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "through or we can even get to the truth"}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "if we do. Hypnosis is very unreliable,"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:19", "text": "the doc injected. Also, if these alien"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:22", "text": "guys are this good, they might be able"}, {"start": "01:09:19", "end": "01:09:25", "text": "to implant several layers of screen"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "memories. Would be a crapshoot at best,"}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:30", "text": "he added, then shrank into silence,"}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:33", "text": "suddenly aware of the captain's"}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "discomfort with the whole discussion."}, {"start": "01:09:33", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "The captain turned to Masters. I remind"}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:39", "text": "you again, Mr. masters. He said, \"We do"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:41", "text": "not put our people under hypnosis or"}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:42", "text": "drugs unless they are under suspicion of"}, {"start": "01:09:41", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "counter espionage, which is not"}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:47", "text": "applicable here. Moreover, you heard"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:49", "text": "him. Hypnosis is unreliable. And even if"}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:53", "text": "we use drugs, we couldn't be sure of the"}, {"start": "01:09:49", "end": "01:09:55", "text": "results.\" Master's side."}, {"start": "01:09:53", "end": "01:09:57", "text": "Well, Captain, one thing's for damn"}, {"start": "01:09:55", "end": "01:09:59", "text": "sure."}, {"start": "01:09:57", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "Your fine colonel, your quintessential"}, {"start": "01:09:59", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "man of action in there and his group of"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "class A battle studs did not just stand"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "there cocked and locked for an hour and"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:09", "text": "a half without doing something or"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "without something happening."}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:15", "text": "Your colonel is also one meticulous"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:17", "text": "mother who doesn't take a breath with"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "without documenting it."}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "But for an hour and a half, he and all"}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:24", "text": "of our team didn't write one damn thing"}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "down on their clipboards. Doesn't that"}, {"start": "01:10:24", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "make you just a little curious to know"}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:30", "text": "what really happened out there, Captain?"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:32", "text": "Hell yes, I'm curious, the captain"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "snapped. But not at the price of"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:37", "text": "degrading these good people. Some of the"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "best people that I or anyone else has"}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "ever worked with. He drew himself up and"}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:45", "text": "stared into Master's eyes. No, Mr."}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:48", "text": "Masters. We are not going to do what you"}, {"start": "01:10:45", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "suggest. Besides, their real memories"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "will probably surface eventually, no"}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:58", "text": "matter what we do or don't do."}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "Very well, Captain Master said coldly. I"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:00", "text": "just hope we have the time to find out"}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:02", "text": "what we need to know about this before"}, {"start": "01:11:00", "end": "01:11:04", "text": "these gray bastards have taken over the"}, {"start": "01:11:02", "end": "01:11:07", "text": "whole damn place. What good will your"}, {"start": "01:11:04", "end": "01:11:09", "text": "people's dignity do for them then,"}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:12", "text": "Captain? That's about enough, Mr."}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "Masters. The captain spat as if he were"}, {"start": "01:11:12", "end": "01:11:15", "text": "dressing down a new recruit. In any"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "case, the decision is not up to me. The"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:19", "text": "base commander will have to take care of"}, {"start": "01:11:17", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "this one."}, {"start": "01:11:19", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "Masters looked out the window of the 727"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:27", "text": "as it lowered into Washington. There"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "would be no hypnosis, no truth drugs."}, {"start": "01:11:27", "end": "01:11:32", "text": "The base commander was unconvinced of"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:35", "text": "Master's argument. In any case, that is"}, {"start": "01:11:32", "end": "01:11:37", "text": "not how we treat our people and so on."}, {"start": "01:11:35", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "Masters sneered to himself and then"}, {"start": "01:11:37", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "knocked back his scotch on the rocks. On"}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:45", "text": "balance, he vastly preferred the"}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:48", "text": "Russians and the Iranians to this"}, {"start": "01:11:45", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "Maybe it was time to retire after all."}, {"start": "01:11:48", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "But the agency had other ideas as we"}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:56", "text": "would soon discover."}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:00", "text": "All right. A writer, researcher for over"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "20 years, Greg Halifax lives in Southern"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:03", "text": "California. He has a number of good"}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "friends from the military-industrial"}, {"start": "01:12:03", "end": "01:12:10", "text": "complex. You don't say."}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "As part two, man, this story gets better"}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:19", "text": "and better. I'm enthralled."}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:22", "text": "SGE Master's character reads as a um I"}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:24", "text": "don't know, some like mid-century gruff"}, {"start": "01:12:22", "end": "01:12:28", "text": "type,"}, {"start": "01:12:24", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "you know, hard-nosed"}, {"start": "01:12:28", "end": "01:12:33", "text": "scotch on the rocks."}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "I don't know. I like the cut of his jib."}, {"start": "01:12:33", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "All right, here we go. Part three."}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "The ballroom, the scooter, and the"}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "Christmas ornament. I feel like we"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:45", "text": "should play those uh those organs, you"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "know, they did when in the 1940s when"}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "there was like these radio shows during"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:52", "text": "the war, like it was like all live, just"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "me. I listen to some weird stuff when"}, {"start": "01:12:52", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "I'm alone in the car."}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "At any rate, they would have these live"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:02", "text": "shows,"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:03", "text": "you know, on air and they would do all"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:05", "text": "the sound effects in studio. None of it"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "was pre-recorded. They had this like"}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:11", "text": "organ type thing that would play. I"}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "digress. Let's get back to the story."}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:15", "text": "interrogation specialist and veteran"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "operative Sedwick Masters. Okay, we have"}, {"start": "01:13:15", "end": "01:13:21", "text": "a full name now. Sedwick. No, not the"}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "name of Harry Potter's bird."}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:24", "text": "Um, he has been tasked with the"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:27", "text": "uncovering with uncovering the secrets"}, {"start": "01:13:24", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "behind UFO reports. CIA background"}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:30", "text": "notwithstanding, there are just some"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "secrets that stubbornly resist the"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "probes of even the world's best"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "investigative minds, forcing the most"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "sensible and objective man to completely"}, {"start": "01:13:36", "end": "01:13:40", "text": "re-evaluate"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "his version of reality."}, {"start": "01:13:40", "end": "01:13:44", "text": "After a sudden and perplexing briefing"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "on the state of the UFO phenomenon, as"}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:47", "text": "the best intelligence pros know it,"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "Masters was hustled off to Wright"}, {"start": "01:13:47", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "Patterson Air Force Base. There, he sat"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:54", "text": "in on the briefings of some men at the"}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:56", "text": "Air Force Base's top flight crash"}, {"start": "01:13:54", "end": "01:13:59", "text": "recovery team. all of whom had"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:14:02", "text": "experienced over an hour of missing time"}, {"start": "01:13:59", "end": "01:14:04", "text": "during a sensitive recovery operation."}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:06", "text": "Still reeling psychologically, Masters"}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "is about to engage in another round of"}, {"start": "01:14:06", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "the patently weird"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:16", "text": "SG. Masters had been back in Washington"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:19", "text": "DC for two weeks. Most of the time he"}, {"start": "01:14:16", "end": "01:14:21", "text": "had spent drinking in his townhouse in"}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "Fairfax."}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:24", "text": "small part of the time he had spent"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:26", "text": "reporting on what had occurred at Wright"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "Patterson. The entire UFO recovery team"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "losing its collective memory of the"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:33", "text": "threatening appearance of a second much"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "larger UFO over the recovery site and"}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:38", "text": "then the sudden and explicable"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:41", "text": "recollection of the events by all 67"}, {"start": "01:14:38", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "members of the team. While he was at the"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "base assigned specially by the agency to"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:47", "text": "debrief the team's commander, he had"}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "argued in favor of using hypnosis and"}, {"start": "01:14:47", "end": "01:14:51", "text": "drugs to try to penetrate beyond what he"}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:54", "text": "suspects were screen memories of the"}, {"start": "01:14:51", "end": "01:14:57", "text": "event. He had been overridden by the"}, {"start": "01:14:54", "end": "01:15:00", "text": "local commanders and his own supervisor"}, {"start": "01:14:57", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "within the agency had gone along with"}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "that determination. The first debriefing"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "took place in a safe house in the"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "countryside outside Fairfax. His boss,"}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "the colonel, took in Master's oral"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:14", "text": "report impassively, asking no questions."}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:19", "text": "Also, let's just like pause here a"}, {"start": "01:15:14", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "second. The mass screen memory thing is"}, {"start": "01:15:19", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "extremely strange yet not completely"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "unheard of."}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "I think it was Mario Woods who had also"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:33", "text": "told me a story that when he was a"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "child, I think they went to church. So,"}, {"start": "01:15:33", "end": "01:15:40", "text": "this family, clear as day, discs"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:42", "text": "appeared over the church."}, {"start": "01:15:40", "end": "01:15:44", "text": "This might have been Mario Woods or this"}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "might have been"}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "Preston Denn. I might be mistaken. In"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:52", "text": "any case, everyone looked at it and then"}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:54", "text": "everyone forgot about it and just kind"}, {"start": "01:15:52", "end": "01:15:56", "text": "of went on about their day. And I I"}, {"start": "01:15:54", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "think that"}, {"start": "01:15:56", "end": "01:16:01", "text": "for the most part"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "a lot of mass sightings behave this way."}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "Even in there's a documentary by James"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:08", "text": "Fox, a very famous one called I think"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "out of the blue or I know what I saw. I"}, {"start": "01:16:08", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "think it's out of the blue. It's the"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:13", "text": "Phoenix Lights. And there were these"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "ladies sitting around having tea"}, {"start": "01:16:13", "end": "01:16:20", "text": "enjoying a lovely afternoon. And above"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:23", "text": "them lurks this looming ominous giant"}, {"start": "01:16:20", "end": "01:16:26", "text": "boomerang of a monolith slowly making"}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "its way overhead and casting a shadow on"}, {"start": "01:16:26", "end": "01:16:31", "text": "their faces as they're drinking tea. And"}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "all of them stop to gaze at this low"}, {"start": "01:16:31", "end": "01:16:37", "text": "humming giant"}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:42", "text": "obelisk that's floating."}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "And as soon as it's out of sight,"}, {"start": "01:16:42", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "they all proceed to continue drinking"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:49", "text": "tea as if nothing happened. And so I"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:50", "text": "don't know if that's an effect of in"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:52", "text": "that particular case, the technology"}, {"start": "01:16:50", "end": "01:16:54", "text": "aboard the craft or simply like I'm"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:58", "text": "going to give myself a screen memory cuz"}, {"start": "01:16:54", "end": "01:17:01", "text": "that that was way too wild. Um, but it"}, {"start": "01:16:58", "end": "01:17:05", "text": "seems at least in this case like they"}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:08", "text": "have the ability to do that. Also, I"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:09", "text": "think that the original the person who"}, {"start": "01:17:08", "end": "01:17:13", "text": "showed up originally to the crash site"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:15", "text": "of Argia 1996 in Brazil, I think there"}, {"start": "01:17:13", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "was also something there that kind of"}, {"start": "01:17:15", "end": "01:17:21", "text": "made him forget about a bunch of stuff."}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "But this this isn't unheard of."}, {"start": "01:17:21", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "Wild that they can just turn it off and"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "then on."}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:30", "text": "Masters and the colonel had worked"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:32", "text": "together for some time in the variety of"}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:34", "text": "contexts. They were not chummy by any"}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:37", "text": "means. The colonel had never left any"}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "doubt in master's mind as to who was in"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:41", "text": "charge and that the colonel was all"}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "business. The colonel had made no effort"}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:45", "text": "to justify or explain why he had backed"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:46", "text": "up the commanders at Wright Patton"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "overriding master's position that the"}, {"start": "01:17:46", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "recovery team interrogation should have"}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "gone on using whatever pharmaceutical or"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "psychological means were available to"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:57", "text": "get to the bottom of what had happened"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "during the missing time."}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:01", "text": "Masters was supposed to be in charge of"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:03", "text": "the debriefing operation, but he had"}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "been outranked by an Air Force captain."}, {"start": "01:18:03", "end": "01:18:12", "text": "A captain for Christ's sakes. So he"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:14", "text": "drank and waited to be summoned again."}, {"start": "01:18:12", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "It was not just the issue of being"}, {"start": "01:18:14", "end": "01:18:19", "text": "undercut by his supervisor with the"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:22", "text": "agency whom he had come to trust. There"}, {"start": "01:18:19", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "was also the very fact there were UFOs"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:28", "text": "at all. the government was recovering"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:30", "text": "them and had been doing so for decades."}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:32", "text": "That there was a secret network within"}, {"start": "01:18:30", "end": "01:18:34", "text": "the government, Zodiac."}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "It seemed to be able to skirt the chain"}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:38", "text": "of command with impunity, spend money"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "earmarked for other projects, and"}, {"start": "01:18:38", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "generally do whatever it damn well"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:45", "text": "pleased, all in the name of UFOs and"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:46", "text": "their importance to national security."}, {"start": "01:18:45", "end": "01:18:48", "text": "One of Master's strengths had always"}, {"start": "01:18:46", "end": "01:18:50", "text": "been that while he was flexible and"}, {"start": "01:18:48", "end": "01:18:53", "text": "open-minded, he thought he had a firm"}, {"start": "01:18:50", "end": "01:18:56", "text": "grasp on the world in which he lived."}, {"start": "01:18:53", "end": "01:18:59", "text": "He'd been alive for 49 years. Two weeks"}, {"start": "01:18:56", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "ago, he discovered in the span of a day"}, {"start": "01:18:59", "end": "01:19:04", "text": "that he had understood nothing about"}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:06", "text": "this world. He was not real damn happy"}, {"start": "01:19:04", "end": "01:19:08", "text": "about this revelation. During Master's"}, {"start": "01:19:06", "end": "01:19:11", "text": "second meeting with him, the colonel had"}, {"start": "01:19:08", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "questioned him about personal reactions"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:15", "text": "to the UFO revelations."}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:17", "text": "It was clear that if Masters had too"}, {"start": "01:19:15", "end": "01:19:19", "text": "negative a take on what he'd learned, he"}, {"start": "01:19:17", "end": "01:19:23", "text": "would be terminated from UFO related"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:25", "text": "assignments or perhaps just terminated."}, {"start": "01:19:23", "end": "01:19:26", "text": "The colonel had broken the usual"}, {"start": "01:19:25", "end": "01:19:29", "text": "protocols of introducing new recruits to"}, {"start": "01:19:26", "end": "01:19:31", "text": "Zodiac slowly, gradually to allow them"}, {"start": "01:19:29", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "time to adjust to the radically"}, {"start": "01:19:31", "end": "01:19:35", "text": "different paradigm."}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "There was not time to do that in"}, {"start": "01:19:35", "end": "01:19:42", "text": "Master's case. The colonel said he was"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:44", "text": "ordered to report to Fort Belvoir"}, {"start": "01:19:42", "end": "01:19:47", "text": "for 3 days of psychological testing and"}, {"start": "01:19:44", "end": "01:19:50", "text": "then he was told to sit tight, relax,"}, {"start": "01:19:47", "end": "01:19:52", "text": "and wait further orders. When he went"}, {"start": "01:19:50", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "out jogging along the creek near his"}, {"start": "01:19:52", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "home, he had the distinct impression"}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:19:58", "text": "that he was being followed, but even he"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:00", "text": "with his experience in field operations"}, {"start": "01:19:58", "end": "01:20:03", "text": "could not be sure. \"Why were they"}, {"start": "01:20:00", "end": "01:20:04", "text": "following him?\" he thought. Dumb"}, {"start": "01:20:03", "end": "01:20:06", "text": "bastards think that I'm going to meet"}, {"start": "01:20:04", "end": "01:20:09", "text": "Woodward and Bernstein while running"}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "along in the woods. Or maybe they just"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:14", "text": "want to see if I crack. Still, he"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:15", "text": "couldn't be sure. His wife was out of"}, {"start": "01:20:14", "end": "01:20:17", "text": "town as usual on yet another sales"}, {"start": "01:20:15", "end": "01:20:21", "text": "junket on the West Coast. She had not"}, {"start": "01:20:17", "end": "01:20:22", "text": "expected him to be back so soon."}, {"start": "01:20:21", "end": "01:20:24", "text": "Not that it would have made any"}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "difference. Although their marriage had"}, {"start": "01:20:24", "end": "01:20:28", "text": "started out happily enough, her life had"}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:31", "text": "become her work. His frequent prolonged"}, {"start": "01:20:28", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "absences on foreign assignments were now"}, {"start": "01:20:31", "end": "01:20:35", "text": "mirrored by her sales travels,"}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:37", "text": "conventions, and temporary postings all"}, {"start": "01:20:35", "end": "01:20:39", "text": "over the world, except here at home in"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "Virginia. She was supposed to be"}, {"start": "01:20:39", "end": "01:20:46", "text": "assigned to DC, but had not spent 3"}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:48", "text": "weeks there in the last 8 months."}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:51", "text": "He was very much alone, which up to now"}, {"start": "01:20:48", "end": "01:20:53", "text": "had been fine with him. He wished she"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:55", "text": "were home."}, {"start": "01:20:53", "end": "01:20:57", "text": "He needed someone to talk to. The"}, {"start": "01:20:55", "end": "01:20:59", "text": "colonel told him not to discuss the UFO"}, {"start": "01:20:57", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "matters with his wife. Everyone knew"}, {"start": "01:20:59", "end": "01:21:05", "text": "that was the rule. Everyone also knew"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "that the rule was almost never observed"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:10", "text": "except by masters. He had never shared"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "with his wife what he did. Up until now,"}, {"start": "01:21:10", "end": "01:21:15", "text": "he never wanted to. For some time, he"}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:17", "text": "had been missing their lost intimacy,"}, {"start": "01:21:15", "end": "01:21:21", "text": "their joyous partnership,"}, {"start": "01:21:17", "end": "01:21:23", "text": "sweet conspiracy of their youth. But now"}, {"start": "01:21:21", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "you realize for the first time just how"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:27", "text": "much they had lost as the chasm between"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "them widened. It was for times like"}, {"start": "01:21:27", "end": "01:21:32", "text": "these that they were married. Every bit"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:34", "text": "as much as for their sense of shared"}, {"start": "01:21:32", "end": "01:21:37", "text": "beauty, cleverness, and wit when they"}, {"start": "01:21:34", "end": "01:21:41", "text": "were young. Thought about her increased"}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:44", "text": "drinking. She was home and wondered if"}, {"start": "01:21:41", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "she shared his yearning for communion."}, {"start": "01:21:44", "end": "01:21:48", "text": "If so, he wondered what had driven her"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "to reach the same conclusions. After"}, {"start": "01:21:48", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "all, no one had told her that UFOs were"}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:55", "text": "real and that most of what she thought"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:57", "text": "she knew was false. Or perhaps she had"}, {"start": "01:21:55", "end": "01:22:00", "text": "been told something very much like that"}, {"start": "01:21:57", "end": "01:22:02", "text": "by his shows of indifference. She"}, {"start": "01:22:00", "end": "01:22:04", "text": "thought of her marriage to him as a sort"}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:06", "text": "of fulfillment of her life's"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "expectations."}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "And it did not exactly turn out that"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:11", "text": "way, did it? He poured himself another"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:13", "text": "drink. There were old friends he could"}, {"start": "01:22:11", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "call, but he knew that the lines were"}, {"start": "01:22:13", "end": "01:22:16", "text": "tapped. More to the point, he had not"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:19", "text": "been good about keeping up his"}, {"start": "01:22:16", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "relationships outside the agency. His"}, {"start": "01:22:19", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "work was his life, and for the first"}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "time, he regretted how isolated and"}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:29", "text": "depended upon the agency he had become."}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:31", "text": "He therefore resented what he was"}, {"start": "01:22:29", "end": "01:22:33", "text": "thinking and feeling. This was the first"}, {"start": "01:22:31", "end": "01:22:35", "text": "time in his career that his supervisor"}, {"start": "01:22:33", "end": "01:22:39", "text": "had undercut him. This was the first"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:40", "text": "time that he felt so out of the loop."}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:43", "text": "Intelligence was always"}, {"start": "01:22:40", "end": "01:22:45", "text": "compartmentalized, always shared only on"}, {"start": "01:22:43", "end": "01:22:46", "text": "a need to- know basis. But this time he"}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:49", "text": "felt"}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:51", "text": "that he was like one of those rats in a"}, {"start": "01:22:49", "end": "01:22:54", "text": "cyclap back in college. He felt that he"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:56", "text": "was being played with. He had turned"}, {"start": "01:22:54", "end": "01:22:58", "text": "over in his mind night after night that"}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:23:01", "text": "this was some kind of weird test to set"}, {"start": "01:22:58", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "up for no UFOs."}, {"start": "01:23:01", "end": "01:23:05", "text": "There were no little green men, gray"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "men, whatever. It was all just some sort"}, {"start": "01:23:05", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "of perverted test."}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "They were checking his stability or his"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:14", "text": "confidence in his own perception or"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:17", "text": "something like that. He poured another"}, {"start": "01:23:14", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "drink. Well, he had had it with this"}, {"start": "01:23:17", "end": "01:23:22", "text": " He would call the colonel and"}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "tell him that he'd put in his 25 years"}, {"start": "01:23:22", "end": "01:23:26", "text": "and he was taken early retirement. He"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "looked over at the phone next to his"}, {"start": "01:23:26", "end": "01:23:32", "text": "chair and as if it were a venomous"}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:35", "text": "snake. Gingerly, tentatively, he"}, {"start": "01:23:32", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "extended his hand toward the phone."}, {"start": "01:23:35", "end": "01:23:42", "text": "Screw it. He reached for the phone just"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:42", "text": "as it rang."}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:48", "text": "\"SGE,\" the colonel's voice came over the"}, {"start": "01:23:44", "end": "01:23:51", "text": "phone, more like a barked command than a"}, {"start": "01:23:48", "end": "01:23:55", "text": "question. \"Yes, sir. I'm here.\""}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "Masters said, noting with irritation the"}, {"start": "01:23:55", "end": "01:24:00", "text": "groggy, slurred sound of his own voice."}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:02", "text": "\"Sput that bottle away and get yourself"}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "cleaned up. We're sending a car around"}, {"start": "01:24:02", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "for you in 30 minutes to take you to the"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "fort. I'll meet you there."}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "Your wife still out of town? As if he"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:12", "text": "didn't know, thought Masters. Yes, sir."}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:14", "text": "She's still in San Francisco at the"}, {"start": "01:24:12", "end": "01:24:17", "text": "dealers's convention. I won't be back"}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:18", "text": "till Friday. Good. See you then. The"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:21", "text": "receiver clicked twice as the colonel"}, {"start": "01:24:18", "end": "01:24:23", "text": "hung up. Masters dangled the receiver"}, {"start": "01:24:21", "end": "01:24:25", "text": "from its cord for 5 seconds without"}, {"start": "01:24:23", "end": "01:24:29", "text": "moving. New assignment, termination from"}, {"start": "01:24:25", "end": "01:24:32", "text": "Zodiac, or just plain old termination or"}, {"start": "01:24:29", "end": "01:24:33", "text": "with extreme prejudice? Oh, for Christ's"}, {"start": "01:24:32", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "sake, just get your ass in the shower"}, {"start": "01:24:33", "end": "01:24:37", "text": "and get on with it, he thought."}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:39", "text": "They wanted to do it, they'd just come"}, {"start": "01:24:37", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "here and do it. No need to summon you"}, {"start": "01:24:39", "end": "01:24:44", "text": "back to Fort Belvoir. With that, he"}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "slammed down the receiver and heaved"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "himself awkwardly out of the chair,"}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "weaving down the hall for the cold"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:52", "text": "shower that he hoped would give him some"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "semblance of alertness by the time he"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "reached the fort."}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "After the usual security routine"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:02", "text": "with the changed badges and whatnot,"}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:04", "text": "Masters was admitted to a small"}, {"start": "01:25:02", "end": "01:25:06", "text": "conference room with a table and two"}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:09", "text": "chairs. The colonel was sitting at one"}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "of them with two briefing folders in"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:14", "text": "front of him. Sit down, SGE."}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:16", "text": "Masters took the chair across from the"}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:18", "text": "colonel. The shower and the fresh air on"}, {"start": "01:25:16", "end": "01:25:20", "text": "the drive over had helped along with the"}, {"start": "01:25:18", "end": "01:25:23", "text": "quart of ice water he had gulped down"}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "right after the shower. Still, he was in"}, {"start": "01:25:23", "end": "01:25:29", "text": "no mood for any more mind games. He I'll"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:30", "text": "get right to the point, Colonel began."}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:32", "text": "You made quite the case for use of"}, {"start": "01:25:30", "end": "01:25:35", "text": "aggressive debriefing techniques where"}, {"start": "01:25:32", "end": "01:25:37", "text": "these UFO devices are involved. I was"}, {"start": "01:25:35", "end": "01:25:39", "text": "impressed, but there was more at stake"}, {"start": "01:25:37", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "in the situation in Ohio than just"}, {"start": "01:25:39", "end": "01:25:44", "text": "getting to the facts. That retrieval"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:47", "text": "team is valuable to us. They've proven"}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:50", "text": "their worth many times over. We cannot"}, {"start": "01:25:47", "end": "01:25:52", "text": "easily replace them. And what's more, we"}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:55", "text": "don't want to. I know you didn't agree"}, {"start": "01:25:52", "end": "01:25:58", "text": "with me or the fly boys out at Right"}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:26:00", "text": "Pat, but you just have to suck it up on"}, {"start": "01:25:58", "end": "01:26:01", "text": "that one, SGE."}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:03", "text": "I know that you didn't like the way it"}, {"start": "01:26:01", "end": "01:26:05", "text": "was handled. So, I'm going to give you"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:08", "text": "another chance to test your theory. At"}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:11", "text": "least the hypnosis part, the colonel"}, {"start": "01:26:08", "end": "01:26:13", "text": "said, gesturing toward the folders in"}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:15", "text": "front of him. He pushed one of them"}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "towards SGE."}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:19", "text": "Read this while I get us some coffee,\""}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:21", "text": "the colonel instructed. He got up and"}, {"start": "01:26:19", "end": "01:26:23", "text": "left the room. And as he left, an MP,"}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:25", "text": "military police, with an automatic"}, {"start": "01:26:23", "end": "01:26:28", "text": "weapon, entered the room and stood guard"}, {"start": "01:26:25", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "at Master's back. \"What do you think I'm"}, {"start": "01:26:28", "end": "01:26:33", "text": "going to do? Eat the file?\" The report"}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:34", "text": "in the folder was brief, followed by"}, {"start": "01:26:33", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "surveillance reports and standard no"}, {"start": "01:26:34", "end": "01:26:39", "text": "contact security background checks. The"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:41", "text": "subjects were two young graduate"}, {"start": "01:26:39", "end": "01:26:44", "text": "students in the Los Angeles area, Mike"}, {"start": "01:26:41", "end": "01:26:47", "text": "Castillion and Bob Ernest."}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "That's interesting."}, {"start": "01:26:47", "end": "01:26:52", "text": "Ernest had contacted a UFO organization"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:54", "text": "in Colorado and reported a series of odd"}, {"start": "01:26:52", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "events. Most of the information came"}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:26:59", "text": "from taps on the organization's phones"}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:01", "text": "supplemented by undercover agents within"}, {"start": "01:26:59", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "the organization. So, we actually spend"}, {"start": "01:27:01", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "assets on these UFO wackos. masters"}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:08", "text": "thought."}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:12", "text": "In the first of these episodes, Ernest"}, {"start": "01:27:08", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "and Cast Castillion uh had encountered a"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:19", "text": "large USO underwater submerged object"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:22", "text": "off the coast of Palos Veres near"}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:24", "text": "Catalina Islands. Okay,"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "this is interesting."}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:30", "text": "We've heard of this place. Before their"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:32", "text": "eyes, the USO had then become a UFO"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:34", "text": "flying right over their heads while they"}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "were driving around the peninsula in an"}, {"start": "01:27:34", "end": "01:27:39", "text": "open sports car on Palos Verde's Drive"}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:42", "text": "North. This was around midnight. We're"}, {"start": "01:27:39", "end": "01:27:44", "text": "going to visit some young woman who they"}, {"start": "01:27:42", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "knew lived on the other side of the"}, {"start": "01:27:44", "end": "01:27:49", "text": "peninsula. They first noticed the USO, a"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "large, brightly glowing mass under the"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:53", "text": "surface of the ocean, which was moving"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:55", "text": "at high speeds directly toward the part"}, {"start": "01:27:53", "end": "01:27:58", "text": "of the peninsula on which they were"}, {"start": "01:27:55", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "driving. They lost sight of it as it"}, {"start": "01:27:58", "end": "01:28:02", "text": "approached the cliffs below them, but"}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "were startled as it broke the horizon"}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:09", "text": "and flew soundlessly over them toward"}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:11", "text": "the higher slopes to their right. My"}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "gosh."}, {"start": "01:28:11", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "They followed the path of the UFO up the"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:18", "text": "valley away from the water. And when"}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:20", "text": "they could drive no further up the"}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:24", "text": "increasingly rugged terrain, they"}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "climbed up the slope on foot."}, {"start": "01:28:24", "end": "01:28:28", "text": "Suddenly, they encountered a police"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:31", "text": "officer whose uniform they described as"}, {"start": "01:28:28", "end": "01:28:32", "text": "strange."}, {"start": "01:28:31", "end": "01:28:34", "text": "The officer told them that they were"}, {"start": "01:28:32", "end": "01:28:37", "text": "trespassing on private property and that"}, {"start": "01:28:34", "end": "01:28:39", "text": "they would have to leave at once. The"}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:42", "text": "two students somewhat indignantly"}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:44", "text": "explained what they were doing and also"}, {"start": "01:28:42", "end": "01:28:47", "text": "appined that whoever owned the steep"}, {"start": "01:28:44", "end": "01:28:49", "text": "overgrown slopes going up the cliffs"}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:52", "text": "would probably not mind their presence."}, {"start": "01:28:49", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "But the officer was unmoved and ordered"}, {"start": "01:28:52", "end": "01:28:57", "text": "them to leave again. One odd fact came"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:59", "text": "out of the telephone interview. And the"}, {"start": "01:28:57", "end": "01:29:01", "text": "officer's patrol car was seen by the"}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:02", "text": "students to be parked behind the officer"}, {"start": "01:29:01", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "on the steep slope. Even though there"}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:07", "text": "were no roads, and they themselves had"}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:09", "text": "to abandon their car to climb up the"}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:12", "text": "steeply inclined and overgrown"}, {"start": "01:29:09", "end": "01:29:15", "text": "mountainside. They described the car as"}, {"start": "01:29:12", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "odd, but offered no specifics in the"}, {"start": "01:29:15", "end": "01:29:20", "text": "taped phone calls. They followed the"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:22", "text": "officer's orders and left the area."}, {"start": "01:29:20", "end": "01:29:25", "text": "The second incident took place two weeks"}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:27", "text": "later at almost the same location when"}, {"start": "01:29:25", "end": "01:29:28", "text": "the young men were driving the same"}, {"start": "01:29:27", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "sports car on the same road to see the"}, {"start": "01:29:28", "end": "01:29:33", "text": "same young woman. This time, a shiny,"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:36", "text": "much smaller UFO was seen pacing their"}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:38", "text": "car's progress up the road. About 20 ft"}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:41", "text": "away from them and directly off to their"}, {"start": "01:29:38", "end": "01:29:43", "text": "side. When they pulled over to get a"}, {"start": "01:29:41", "end": "01:29:45", "text": "better look, it flew away into the night"}, {"start": "01:29:43", "end": "01:29:48", "text": "sky. They heard no sound from the"}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:50", "text": "object. The third sighting involved only"}, {"start": "01:29:48", "end": "01:29:53", "text": "Castillion"}, {"start": "01:29:50", "end": "01:29:55", "text": "who had a UFO hovering over his sports"}, {"start": "01:29:53", "end": "01:29:57", "text": "car as he drove through Wilmington on"}, {"start": "01:29:55", "end": "01:30:00", "text": "Pacific Coast Highway on a Saturday"}, {"start": "01:29:57", "end": "01:30:02", "text": "morning. The thing hung over him for"}, {"start": "01:30:00", "end": "01:30:04", "text": "about 20 minutes, then just flew away."}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:07", "text": "Again, the object emitted no noise that"}, {"start": "01:30:04", "end": "01:30:10", "text": "Castion could detect. Traffic was so"}, {"start": "01:30:07", "end": "01:30:12", "text": "light during all of these incidents that"}, {"start": "01:30:10", "end": "01:30:14", "text": "there were no other witnesses known to"}, {"start": "01:30:12", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "Ernest and Castion. I keep saying"}, {"start": "01:30:14", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "Castion, but uh the French in me cannot"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:22", "text": "help but pronounce it that way. The"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:24", "text": "fourth incident, okay, super"}, {"start": "01:30:22", "end": "01:30:27", "text": "experiencers here, uh, was the focus of"}, {"start": "01:30:24", "end": "01:30:30", "text": "the report. Interesting. Ernest and"}, {"start": "01:30:27", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "Castile had met some fellow at a"}, {"start": "01:30:30", "end": "01:30:38", "text": "friend's party who shared with Ernest an"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:40", "text": "interest in very avantguard music."}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:43", "text": "Strangely, neither Cassion nor Ernest"}, {"start": "01:30:40", "end": "01:30:45", "text": "could recall the fellow's name. Ernest"}, {"start": "01:30:43", "end": "01:30:47", "text": "was more friendly toward this fellow"}, {"start": "01:30:45", "end": "01:30:51", "text": "than Castion. The latter considered the"}, {"start": "01:30:47", "end": "01:30:53", "text": "fellow a little strange and did not care"}, {"start": "01:30:51", "end": "01:30:56", "text": "for his taste in music. A few days after"}, {"start": "01:30:53", "end": "01:30:59", "text": "the party, Ernest called the fellow who"}, {"start": "01:30:56", "end": "01:31:02", "text": "invited them to visit him at his house"}, {"start": "01:30:59", "end": "01:31:06", "text": "on Dapprey Lane in Rolling Hills estate,"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:09", "text": "a small exclusive community on the Palos"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:11", "text": "Verde's Peninsula."}, {"start": "01:31:09", "end": "01:31:14", "text": "They took him up on his invitation one"}, {"start": "01:31:11", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "night later that week."}, {"start": "01:31:14", "end": "01:31:18", "text": "The strange fellow's home was heated too"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:21", "text": "much for their liking, and after Castion"}, {"start": "01:31:18", "end": "01:31:23", "text": "grew tired of humoring Ernest's interest"}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "in the guy's strange recordings, he"}, {"start": "01:31:23", "end": "01:31:28", "text": "finally persuaded Ernest that they"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:30", "text": "needed to be going. Masters noted that"}, {"start": "01:31:28", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "when Ernest was pressed by the telephone"}, {"start": "01:31:30", "end": "01:31:33", "text": "interviewer to provide details of what"}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:36", "text": "happened in the home, he was rather"}, {"start": "01:31:33", "end": "01:31:38", "text": "vague."}, {"start": "01:31:36", "end": "01:31:40", "text": "Other than the excessive warmth and the"}, {"start": "01:31:38", "end": "01:31:42", "text": "music, all that he could remember of the"}, {"start": "01:31:40", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "evening was that he and Cassion had"}, {"start": "01:31:42", "end": "01:31:47", "text": "taken off their jackets and outer shirts"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:50", "text": "because of the heat, leaving them with"}, {"start": "01:31:47", "end": "01:31:53", "text": "only their t-shirts and jeans on. It was"}, {"start": "01:31:50", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "almost exactly midnight when they left."}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "As they went down the porch steps to the"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:32:01", "text": "short walkway to the street,"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:03", "text": "they both saw a bright glowing red ball"}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:06", "text": "a little larger than a basketball"}, {"start": "01:32:03", "end": "01:32:08", "text": "resting on the front lawn."}, {"start": "01:32:06", "end": "01:32:11", "text": "Oddly, there was no mention of their"}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:13", "text": "host noticing the ball or even staying"}, {"start": "01:32:11", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "with them as they walked toward it to"}, {"start": "01:32:13", "end": "01:32:16", "text": "check it out."}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:19", "text": "They stood there looking at the ball for"}, {"start": "01:32:16", "end": "01:32:21", "text": "what seemed like a moment"}, {"start": "01:32:19", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "and then got into Ernest's car, the"}, {"start": "01:32:21", "end": "01:32:26", "text": "Volkswagen."}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "It was then that Ernest noticed that the"}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:30", "text": "clock in the Volkswagen showed the time"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:32", "text": "as 300 a.m. He mentioned this with"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:35", "text": "surprise to Castile. Their watches"}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:41", "text": "confirmed the time. Somehow they had"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:41", "text": "lost 3 hours looking at a red ball."}, {"start": "01:32:42", "end": "01:32:46", "text": "There was a fifth episode. Okay, come"}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:48", "text": "on."}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:50", "text": "Occurred in New Orleans during Martyra a"}, {"start": "01:32:48", "end": "01:32:52", "text": "few months after the Red Ball incident."}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:54", "text": "According to Ernest, they were staying"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "at a hotel and there was a loud bang and"}, {"start": "01:32:54", "end": "01:32:59", "text": "a flash outside followed by a large gray"}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:02", "text": "coming right through their locked door"}, {"start": "01:32:59", "end": "01:33:04", "text": "startlingly fast. It loomed over them"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "for a few seconds while they were"}, {"start": "01:33:04", "end": "01:33:09", "text": "paralyzed and then just withdrew through"}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:11", "text": "the same door just as swiftly. Whoa,"}, {"start": "01:33:09", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "that's wild."}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:16", "text": "Grays running very rapidly through solid"}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:19", "text": "objects is very common. We hear about"}, {"start": "01:33:16", "end": "01:33:23", "text": "this quite I wouldn't say very common."}, {"start": "01:33:19", "end": "01:33:26", "text": "That's misappropriating this situation."}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "Uh it is among experiencers frequently"}, {"start": "01:33:26", "end": "01:33:30", "text": "noted"}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:31", "text": "definitely not very common if you're"}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:33", "text": "seeing something like that. It is not"}, {"start": "01:33:31", "end": "01:33:38", "text": "normal."}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:40", "text": "Um but uh Eric um Nansteel who was here"}, {"start": "01:33:38", "end": "01:33:43", "text": "in the podcast uh that was his first"}, {"start": "01:33:40", "end": "01:33:44", "text": "experience with multiple grays sort of"}, {"start": "01:33:43", "end": "01:33:47", "text": "zipping out of the room and through the"}, {"start": "01:33:44", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "wall. But you hear about this quite"}, {"start": "01:33:47", "end": "01:33:51", "text": "often enough among experiencers stories."}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "The transcripts of the telephone"}, {"start": "01:33:51", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "interviews were always with Ernest, not"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:58", "text": "Castile. Ernest told the interviewer"}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:34:01", "text": "that Castion was not particularly"}, {"start": "01:33:58", "end": "01:34:03", "text": "interested in these odd events,"}, {"start": "01:34:01", "end": "01:34:05", "text": "even though he acknowledged their"}, {"start": "01:34:03", "end": "01:34:08", "text": "stranges. Ernest, on the other hand, had"}, {"start": "01:34:05", "end": "01:34:09", "text": "apparently become a UFO enthusiast as a"}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:12", "text": "consequence of these encounters. Ah,"}, {"start": "01:34:09", "end": "01:34:15", "text": "okay. So, that that's a bit of a red"}, {"start": "01:34:12", "end": "01:34:17", "text": "flag for me. the guy who has five"}, {"start": "01:34:15", "end": "01:34:20", "text": "sightings who's eager to talk about"}, {"start": "01:34:17", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "them. But then again,"}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:25", "text": "as we know, if you start looking at the"}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:27", "text": "phenomenon, the phenomenon seems to"}, {"start": "01:34:25", "end": "01:34:28", "text": "start looking at you. So, what are we"}, {"start": "01:34:27", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "seeing here? Are we seeing some type of"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:33", "text": "feedback loop?"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:35", "text": "Are we seeing confirmation bias? Or is"}, {"start": "01:34:33", "end": "01:34:37", "text": "he kind of attracting something now? At"}, {"start": "01:34:35", "end": "01:34:39", "text": "this point, he found out about the UFO"}, {"start": "01:34:37", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "organization and wanted Castion himself"}, {"start": "01:34:39", "end": "01:34:42", "text": "to be hypnotized to try and find out"}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:44", "text": "what happened during the missing 3"}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:46", "text": "hours. As it turned out, the"}, {"start": "01:34:44", "end": "01:34:48", "text": "hypnotherapist, one Dr. Beth Culp, who"}, {"start": "01:34:46", "end": "01:34:51", "text": "donated her services to the"}, {"start": "01:34:48", "end": "01:34:52", "text": "organization, was an agency asset. She"}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:54", "text": "had done work for the agency for the"}, {"start": "01:34:52", "end": "01:34:56", "text": "past 15 years and had been working on"}, {"start": "01:34:54", "end": "01:34:59", "text": "UFO related incidents off and on for the"}, {"start": "01:34:56", "end": "01:35:02", "text": "last 11 years. They've infiltrated"}, {"start": "01:34:59", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "psychologists. I don't like that. She"}, {"start": "01:35:02", "end": "01:35:08", "text": "arranged to interview the two students"}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:11", "text": "in the next two days and Masters was to"}, {"start": "01:35:08", "end": "01:35:13", "text": "go along as a representative of the UFO"}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:16", "text": "enthusiast organization to observe"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:19", "text": "hypnotherapy regression sessions."}, {"start": "01:35:16", "end": "01:35:21", "text": "Sneaky. See, when people mention, you"}, {"start": "01:35:19", "end": "01:35:24", "text": "know, and this is not a slight toon, but"}, {"start": "01:35:21", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "I mean these organizations have to be"}, {"start": "01:35:24", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "they they must be infiltrated"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:32", "text": "otherwise you just be leaving that on"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:37", "text": "the table, right? You you you would need"}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:39", "text": "to have a foot in there. So crazy. Where"}, {"start": "01:35:37", "end": "01:35:43", "text": "do you turn then if you have an"}, {"start": "01:35:39", "end": "01:35:43", "text": "experience, right? Who can you trust?"}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:48", "text": "Masters noted with disappointment that"}, {"start": "01:35:46", "end": "01:35:50", "text": "no chemical injections were discussed"}, {"start": "01:35:48", "end": "01:35:52", "text": "with the young men, although he sensed"}, {"start": "01:35:50", "end": "01:35:57", "text": "from the report that Castion would not"}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:57", "text": "be aminable to such a procedure."}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:02", "text": "as it had taken some salesmanship on"}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:04", "text": "Ernest's part just to get him to go"}, {"start": "01:36:02", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "along with hypnosis. The colonel"}, {"start": "01:36:04", "end": "01:36:09", "text": "re-entered the room as the MP left. He"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:11", "text": "sat down the coffees on the table. \"I"}, {"start": "01:36:09", "end": "01:36:13", "text": "left yours black,\" he said. \"Well,\" said"}, {"start": "01:36:11", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "the colonel, \"Here's your chance to see"}, {"start": "01:36:13", "end": "01:36:17", "text": "if hypnosis can bring back those"}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:19", "text": "memories you say are being masked by"}, {"start": "01:36:17", "end": "01:36:20", "text": "aliens.\" \"How do we know if the red"}, {"start": "01:36:19", "end": "01:36:22", "text": "balls from aliens?\" Masters asked,"}, {"start": "01:36:20", "end": "01:36:25", "text": "sipping his coffee. The colonel smiled."}, {"start": "01:36:22", "end": "01:36:26", "text": "\"Well, they aren't ours,\" said if that's"}, {"start": "01:36:25", "end": "01:36:29", "text": "what you're getting at. \"How do you know"}, {"start": "01:36:26", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "that, sir? How do you know if there"}, {"start": "01:36:29", "end": "01:36:33", "text": "isn't a compartment apart from yours"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:35", "text": "where someone knows that we designed"}, {"start": "01:36:33", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "these things to control people or for"}, {"start": "01:36:35", "end": "01:36:39", "text": "some other agenda?"}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:42", "text": "Good question. The colonel seemed amused"}, {"start": "01:36:39", "end": "01:36:46", "text": "by this despite his usual stern manner."}, {"start": "01:36:42", "end": "01:36:48", "text": "Trust me on this SGE. They're not ours."}, {"start": "01:36:46", "end": "01:36:50", "text": "Indeed, they are not anyone else's. They"}, {"start": "01:36:48", "end": "01:36:52", "text": "are something of a mystery really."}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:55", "text": "That's why you're going out to Los"}, {"start": "01:36:52", "end": "01:36:57", "text": "Angeles. Try and find out what these"}, {"start": "01:36:55", "end": "01:36:59", "text": "damn things are."}, {"start": "01:36:57", "end": "01:37:02", "text": "Colonel, you spoke of a ball as if it"}, {"start": "01:36:59", "end": "01:37:05", "text": "were more than one. The report only"}, {"start": "01:37:02", "end": "01:37:08", "text": "spoke about one, as I recall. Very good,"}, {"start": "01:37:05", "end": "01:37:10", "text": "SGE. After you cover this hypno debrief,"}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:12", "text": "I want you to swing by right pad again"}, {"start": "01:37:10", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "and tell your friend, the captain, what"}, {"start": "01:37:12", "end": "01:37:16", "text": "you learned. You may have more"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:18", "text": "information for you on this. Then come"}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "back to DC and we'll talk. Have a good"}, {"start": "01:37:18", "end": "01:37:23", "text": "trip, SGE, and uh keep it professional"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:25", "text": "while you're on the mission. All right."}, {"start": "01:37:23", "end": "01:37:27", "text": "Masters was sorely tempted to tell the"}, {"start": "01:37:25", "end": "01:37:30", "text": "colonel to take his assignment and shove"}, {"start": "01:37:27", "end": "01:37:32", "text": "it along with his advice on drinking,"}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:35", "text": "but he just barely managed to hold his"}, {"start": "01:37:32", "end": "01:37:38", "text": "tongue. He maintained a sullen silence"}, {"start": "01:37:35", "end": "01:37:40", "text": "on the drive back to Fairfax despite the"}, {"start": "01:37:38", "end": "01:37:41", "text": "best efforts of the outgoing seaman"}, {"start": "01:37:40", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "driver."}, {"start": "01:37:41", "end": "01:37:47", "text": "Christ, graduate students, red balls,"}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:48", "text": "UFO nuts, and hypnotists, he thought."}, {"start": "01:37:47", "end": "01:37:50", "text": "Not to mention conducting a domestic"}, {"start": "01:37:48", "end": "01:37:52", "text": "operation within the borders of the"}, {"start": "01:37:50", "end": "01:37:55", "text": "United States in violation of the"}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:37:58", "text": "National Security Act of 1947."}, {"start": "01:37:55", "end": "01:38:00", "text": "This were a test."}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:03", "text": "He had no idea where it was going. And"}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "he refers to that act because you are"}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "not allowed to"}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "spy on your own people. You're not"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:11", "text": "allowed to sigh up your own people."}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:13", "text": "These are all things to protect the"}, {"start": "01:38:11", "end": "01:38:17", "text": "American people."}, {"start": "01:38:13", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "But alas, these agencies have broken uh"}, {"start": "01:38:17", "end": "01:38:22", "text": "this promise many a times. By the time"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "his plane leveled off from his climb out"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:26", "text": "from Dulles, masters had already ordered"}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:28", "text": "two scotches from the middle-aged flight"}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:30", "text": "attendant. Here's to you, Colonel, and"}, {"start": "01:38:28", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "your godamn UFOs, red balls, and Dr."}, {"start": "01:38:30", "end": "01:38:35", "text": "Culp, the therapist, he thought as he"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:36", "text": "knocked back the first shot of J&B. By"}, {"start": "01:38:35", "end": "01:38:40", "text": "the time his plane descended into the"}, {"start": "01:38:36", "end": "01:38:42", "text": "brown sludge that LA called a sky, he"}, {"start": "01:38:40", "end": "01:38:44", "text": "was pleasantly buzzed and eronously"}, {"start": "01:38:42", "end": "01:38:47", "text": "thought that he was ready for his"}, {"start": "01:38:44", "end": "01:38:49", "text": "rendevous with Dr. Culp. They were to"}, {"start": "01:38:47", "end": "01:38:51", "text": "meet 2 hours before Ernest and Castion"}, {"start": "01:38:49", "end": "01:38:53", "text": "were expected to arrive at a hotel in"}, {"start": "01:38:51", "end": "01:38:55", "text": "Rodondo overlooking the beach in King"}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "Harbor."}, {"start": "01:38:55", "end": "01:38:59", "text": "Culp had a suite at the hotel. Masters"}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "knocked on the suite door and heard"}, {"start": "01:38:59", "end": "01:39:04", "text": "someone unlocking the multiple locks"}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:05", "text": "after checking the spy hole. He was not"}, {"start": "01:39:04", "end": "01:39:07", "text": "quite ready for Dr. Culp. As it turned"}, {"start": "01:39:05", "end": "01:39:11", "text": "out, she was almost as tall as Masters"}, {"start": "01:39:07", "end": "01:39:13", "text": "himself. 5'11 Masters Guest with long"}, {"start": "01:39:11", "end": "01:39:16", "text": "blonde hair, beautiful, large, clear"}, {"start": "01:39:13", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "blue eyes."}, {"start": "01:39:16", "end": "01:39:20", "text": "Her doseier said that she was 48 years"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "old, but she looked at least 15 years"}, {"start": "01:39:20", "end": "01:39:25", "text": "younger. She was very pretty, slim, and"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:28", "text": "had a dazzling smile."}, {"start": "01:39:25", "end": "01:39:29", "text": "Masters was a cool customer in a crisis,"}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:31", "text": "but he could feel his voice sounding a"}, {"start": "01:39:29", "end": "01:39:34", "text": "little offkey as he introduced himself"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:36", "text": "to the striking therapist."}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:37", "text": "She was very much in possession of the"}, {"start": "01:39:36", "end": "01:39:41", "text": "moment and seemed to take delight in the"}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:42", "text": "effect she had on him, even though she"}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "had become used to this sort of thing"}, {"start": "01:39:42", "end": "01:39:46", "text": "over the years. Masters was irritated"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "with himself for being so takenback by"}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "her."}, {"start": "01:39:50", "end": "01:39:55", "text": "She asked him if he would like a drink."}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:58", "text": "He thought. Now that's more like it."}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:40:01", "text": "Cult poured masters of Coke over ice."}, {"start": "01:39:58", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "She poured herself a Perry with lime. So"}, {"start": "01:40:01", "end": "01:40:07", "text": "that's how it is. He thought Miss Prim,"}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:08", "text": "I understand that the colonel has"}, {"start": "01:40:07", "end": "01:40:11", "text": "already gone over the protocol for these"}, {"start": "01:40:08", "end": "01:40:13", "text": "interviews, Mr. Masters."}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:15", "text": "Yes. You will put each of them under"}, {"start": "01:40:13", "end": "01:40:17", "text": "individually and ask them a battery of"}, {"start": "01:40:15", "end": "01:40:18", "text": "questions aimed at figuring out what"}, {"start": "01:40:17", "end": "01:40:21", "text": "happened during the 3 hours that they"}, {"start": "01:40:18", "end": "01:40:22", "text": "thought they were looking at the ball."}, {"start": "01:40:21", "end": "01:40:24", "text": "We're instructed not to talk with each"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "other about the incident, but given the"}, {"start": "01:40:24", "end": "01:40:30", "text": "passage of time, you know that they did,"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:32", "text": "right? Right. We do the best we can to"}, {"start": "01:40:30", "end": "01:40:34", "text": "filter out the corrupted recollections."}, {"start": "01:40:32", "end": "01:40:36", "text": "As you know, hypnosis is not perfect,"}, {"start": "01:40:34", "end": "01:40:39", "text": "but beats sitting around scratching our"}, {"start": "01:40:36", "end": "01:40:42", "text": "heads wondering what happened. I agree"}, {"start": "01:40:39", "end": "01:40:44", "text": "with you on that, said Masters. He also"}, {"start": "01:40:42", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "noted that these were the same words"}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:49", "text": "that he had used in arguing with the"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:51", "text": "captain at Wright Patterson about using"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:53", "text": "hypnosis to debrief the recovery team."}, {"start": "01:40:51", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "She must have been given a more thorough"}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:56", "text": "briefing than I was told, master"}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:40:59", "text": "thought."}, {"start": "01:40:56", "end": "01:41:00", "text": "Have you done this before? Culp asked."}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:04", "text": "Yes, but under much different"}, {"start": "01:41:00", "end": "01:41:05", "text": "circumstances. Master did not elaborate."}, {"start": "01:41:04", "end": "01:41:09", "text": "even though it was clear from Culp's"}, {"start": "01:41:05", "end": "01:41:11", "text": "expectant gaze that she expected him to"}, {"start": "01:41:09", "end": "01:41:12", "text": "do so. When it became clear that he had"}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:15", "text": "nothing more to say, she crisply"}, {"start": "01:41:12", "end": "01:41:16", "text": "instructed. In this instance, I will do"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:17", "text": "all of the talking. If you have any"}, {"start": "01:41:16", "end": "01:41:20", "text": "questions, you will write them down and"}, {"start": "01:41:17", "end": "01:41:22", "text": "pass them to me. Please do not make any"}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:23", "text": "sudden movements or noises while the"}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:26", "text": "session is in progress. Do you have any"}, {"start": "01:41:23", "end": "01:41:29", "text": "questions? Only one. You have any real"}, {"start": "01:41:26", "end": "01:41:32", "text": "drinks in that refrigerator? Classic"}, {"start": "01:41:29", "end": "01:41:36", "text": "SGE. Classic Sedwick."}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:38", "text": "If by real you mean alcoholic? Yes, they"}, {"start": "01:41:36", "end": "01:41:40", "text": "do. The colonel was quite specific that"}, {"start": "01:41:38", "end": "01:41:41", "text": "you are not to have any during this"}, {"start": "01:41:40", "end": "01:41:44", "text": "assignment."}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:46", "text": "I see. If I were to disregard that"}, {"start": "01:41:44", "end": "01:41:48", "text": "instruction,"}, {"start": "01:41:46", "end": "01:41:51", "text": "I don't know why Sedick is turning into"}, {"start": "01:41:48", "end": "01:41:53", "text": "John Marson from uh Red Dead Redemption,"}, {"start": "01:41:51", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "but it's where I'm going with it. All"}, {"start": "01:41:53", "end": "01:41:57", "text": "right."}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:41:59", "text": "Then I'd be forced to stop you and put"}, {"start": "01:41:57", "end": "01:42:01", "text": "your lack of cooperation in my report."}, {"start": "01:41:59", "end": "01:42:04", "text": "She looked at him levely"}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:06", "text": "as if to say, \"Even though I look like a"}, {"start": "01:42:04", "end": "01:42:09", "text": "willowy woman, I can deal with you"}, {"start": "01:42:06", "end": "01:42:10", "text": "physically if the need be.\" He believed"}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:14", "text": "that she"}, {"start": "01:42:10", "end": "01:42:16", "text": "would really try to. \"All right, strong"}, {"start": "01:42:14", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "woman.\""}, {"start": "01:42:16", "end": "01:42:21", "text": "\"Okay, Dr. Culp,\" he smiled. \"It looks"}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:24", "text": "as if I am your prisoner for the time"}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:25", "text": "being.\" \"Good,\" she said. \"Let's"}, {"start": "01:42:24", "end": "01:42:26", "text": "rearrange the furniture to make it more"}, {"start": "01:42:25", "end": "01:42:27", "text": "comfortable and get ready for our"}, {"start": "01:42:26", "end": "01:42:30", "text": "guests.\""}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:33", "text": "One other thing, doctor, said masters."}, {"start": "01:42:30", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "Why did you rule out sodium penithol or"}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:39", "text": "some other psychoactive drug? I didn't"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:41", "text": "rule it out. Our subjects did. My Cion"}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:44", "text": "was not at all enthused about doing"}, {"start": "01:42:41", "end": "01:42:47", "text": "this. The only way he would agree was if"}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:49", "text": "only hypnosis were used. Besides, we"}, {"start": "01:42:47", "end": "01:42:52", "text": "often find that hypnosis gets better"}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "results with hidden memories than drugs."}, {"start": "01:42:52", "end": "01:42:55", "text": "As you know from your background, drugs"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:58", "text": "are more useful when there is a"}, {"start": "01:42:55", "end": "01:43:00", "text": "subjective inhibition making the subject"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:02", "text": "less than forthcoming. How do you know"}, {"start": "01:43:00", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "that isn't indicated here? He asked,"}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "picking up the coffee table. Because it"}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:08", "text": "isn't that these subjects don't want to"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:09", "text": "talk about it, they just don't remember."}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:11", "text": "Lifting her end of the table. How can"}, {"start": "01:43:09", "end": "01:43:13", "text": "you be sure of that? He asked, thinking"}, {"start": "01:43:11", "end": "01:43:15", "text": "of the recovery team statements that"}, {"start": "01:43:13", "end": "01:43:17", "text": "they were later allowed to tell"}, {"start": "01:43:15", "end": "01:43:20", "text": "different versions of the events. She"}, {"start": "01:43:17", "end": "01:43:23", "text": "caught his eye and asked,"}, {"start": "01:43:20", "end": "01:43:26", "text": "\"Just what are you thinking of in asking"}, {"start": "01:43:23", "end": "01:43:29", "text": "that?\" \"Oops,\" master thought. \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:43:26", "end": "01:43:31", "text": "nothing. Damn,\" he thought. \"She isn't"}, {"start": "01:43:29", "end": "01:43:34", "text": "cleared for that.\" Culp sat down the"}, {"start": "01:43:31", "end": "01:43:37", "text": "table and drew herself up to her full"}, {"start": "01:43:34", "end": "01:43:40", "text": "6'1 in low heels, setting her clear,"}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:42", "text": "light blue eyes right into line with"}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:44", "text": "Masters. \"Mr. Masters, if we are going"}, {"start": "01:43:42", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "to work together effectively on this"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:47", "text": "assignment, you are going to have to be"}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:48", "text": "frank with me. Now, why do you think"}, {"start": "01:43:47", "end": "01:43:52", "text": "that these subjects might be holding"}, {"start": "01:43:48", "end": "01:43:54", "text": "back during this interview? If I am to"}, {"start": "01:43:52", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "discharge my duties during these"}, {"start": "01:43:54", "end": "01:43:59", "text": "interviews, I need to have all the"}, {"start": "01:43:56", "end": "01:44:02", "text": "information you have that you can share"}, {"start": "01:43:59", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "with me. Do I make myself clear?"}, {"start": "01:44:02", "end": "01:44:08", "text": "Yes, ma'am, you do."}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:10", "text": "Oh, fabulously, masters thought. I can't"}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:12", "text": "go into details, Miss Culp, but it is"}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:15", "text": "possible that these phenomena involve"}, {"start": "01:44:12", "end": "01:44:17", "text": "making the uh subjects obey a command"}, {"start": "01:44:15", "end": "01:44:19", "text": "not to talk about what they underwent"}, {"start": "01:44:17", "end": "01:44:21", "text": "during the missing time sequence as"}, {"start": "01:44:19", "end": "01:44:23", "text": "opposed to not remembering what"}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:25", "text": "happened. That's why I asked about the"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:27", "text": "drugs."}, {"start": "01:44:25", "end": "01:44:30", "text": "But if it's to be hypnosis, then so be"}, {"start": "01:44:27", "end": "01:44:31", "text": "it. I was just curious as to what your"}, {"start": "01:44:30", "end": "01:44:33", "text": "thoughts were on the subject. That's"}, {"start": "01:44:31", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "all."}, {"start": "01:44:33", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "Seems like our SGE has met his match. Uh"}, {"start": "01:44:40", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "now it is to be noted by the way I just"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:48", "text": "want to take a quick little pause. Uh"}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:51", "text": "this reads as a really good book not as"}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:54", "text": "a real detailed account. The details are"}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "too specific. This is obviously"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:45:00", "text": "uh interpreted into a story. But what I"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:03", "text": "find interesting is that something this"}, {"start": "01:45:00", "end": "01:45:07", "text": "interpretive made its way into UFO"}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:09", "text": "magazine and there was no note by the"}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:11", "text": "editor. This is kind of just very"}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:13", "text": "strange."}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "It is"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "like a fictional story but much like"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "perhaps secret machines or many other"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:26", "text": "books uh perhaps even Krypto's conundrum"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:28", "text": "all these books that might hide truth"}, {"start": "01:45:26", "end": "01:45:31", "text": "within fiction."}, {"start": "01:45:28", "end": "01:45:32", "text": "Culps seem to relax a bit. Well, it's"}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:34", "text": "true that in some of the purported"}, {"start": "01:45:32", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "abductions with which we've dealt, the"}, {"start": "01:45:34", "end": "01:45:39", "text": "subjects sometimes say that they've been"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:41", "text": "instructed not to talk about all or part"}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:43", "text": "of their experience. In fact, they"}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "become quite agitated if pressed on the"}, {"start": "01:45:43", "end": "01:45:49", "text": "subject, even while under deep hypnosis."}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:50", "text": "\"So, how successful have you been when"}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:53", "text": "you try to break through this"}, {"start": "01:45:50", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "instruction?\" he asked. \"It's hard to"}, {"start": "01:45:53", "end": "01:45:57", "text": "say. Sometimes they don't budge. Other"}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "times, they tell us more detailed"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "stories behind the so-called screen"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:03", "text": "memory. But still, I get the feeling"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:06", "text": "that we're just getting the next screen"}, {"start": "01:46:03", "end": "01:46:08", "text": "memory and not what really happened.\""}, {"start": "01:46:06", "end": "01:46:09", "text": "You may be right about the drugs, but we"}, {"start": "01:46:08", "end": "01:46:12", "text": "can't make citizens accept them against"}, {"start": "01:46:09", "end": "01:46:14", "text": "their will."}, {"start": "01:46:12", "end": "01:46:17", "text": "Oh, yeah, of course, said masters while"}, {"start": "01:46:14", "end": "01:46:19", "text": "thinking. The hell we can't."}, {"start": "01:46:17", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "There was a knock at the door. Two"}, {"start": "01:46:19", "end": "01:46:22", "text": "good-looking young men stood at the"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:25", "text": "door, smiling and filled with the quiet"}, {"start": "01:46:22", "end": "01:46:26", "text": "cockiness of men in their prime. Both of"}, {"start": "01:46:25", "end": "01:46:29", "text": "the young men were a little surprised by"}, {"start": "01:46:26", "end": "01:46:31", "text": "the statuesque Dr. Culp, but they"}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:33", "text": "quickly recovered. Their spirits much"}, {"start": "01:46:31", "end": "01:46:35", "text": "improved by her obvious charms"}, {"start": "01:46:33", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "notwithstanding master's brooding"}, {"start": "01:46:35", "end": "01:46:39", "text": "presence and less than enthused"}, {"start": "01:46:37", "end": "01:46:41", "text": "greeting."}, {"start": "01:46:39", "end": "01:46:43", "text": "Kulp explained the procedure, escorted"}, {"start": "01:46:41", "end": "01:46:47", "text": "Castillion to the far bedroom, turned on"}, {"start": "01:46:43", "end": "01:46:49", "text": "the TV in his room, got him a drink, and"}, {"start": "01:46:47", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "came back to the other bedroom to start"}, {"start": "01:46:49", "end": "01:46:55", "text": "with Ernest. Masters noted that both of"}, {"start": "01:46:51", "end": "01:46:56", "text": "these fellows seemed normal enough. They"}, {"start": "01:46:55", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "did not give the appearance of being"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:47:01", "text": "countercultural or science geeks. The"}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:03", "text": "stories told by these two men were"}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:06", "text": "virtually identical on every point,"}, {"start": "01:47:03", "end": "01:47:08", "text": "particularly the most important point"}, {"start": "01:47:06", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "that they lost 3 hours of time that"}, {"start": "01:47:08", "end": "01:47:13", "text": "night on Dappel Grey Lane. The stories"}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:15", "text": "did not change under hypnosis except"}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:17", "text": "that they now said that they remembered"}, {"start": "01:47:15", "end": "01:47:19", "text": "spending the 3 hours just standing on"}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:22", "text": "the walkway staring at the glowing red"}, {"start": "01:47:19", "end": "01:47:24", "text": "ball until it floated up into the night"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:27", "text": "sky. No amount of probing by the"}, {"start": "01:47:24", "end": "01:47:29", "text": "resourceful Dr. Culp ever penetrated"}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:31", "text": "behind this story."}, {"start": "01:47:29", "end": "01:47:34", "text": "No alien ships, no medical exams, no"}, {"start": "01:47:31", "end": "01:47:36", "text": "short or tall grays, nothing. Just"}, {"start": "01:47:34", "end": "01:47:39", "text": "standing there for 3 hours and then"}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:41", "text": "leaving. Neither man showed any"}, {"start": "01:47:39", "end": "01:47:44", "text": "discomfort when pressed. They just had"}, {"start": "01:47:41", "end": "01:47:46", "text": "nothing more to say. Masters wanted to"}, {"start": "01:47:44", "end": "01:47:49", "text": "inject both of them with drugs, but knew"}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:51", "text": "that Culp would not go for it. One thing"}, {"start": "01:47:49", "end": "01:47:53", "text": "that both Dr. Culp and masters noticed"}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:56", "text": "was that while Ernest was understandably"}, {"start": "01:47:53", "end": "01:47:59", "text": "interested in what had happened, Castion"}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:48:02", "text": "seemed almost weirdly detached from and"}, {"start": "01:47:59", "end": "01:48:03", "text": "disinterested in the Red Ball experience"}, {"start": "01:48:02", "end": "01:48:05", "text": "and the other incidents that he"}, {"start": "01:48:03", "end": "01:48:07", "text": "described."}, {"start": "01:48:05", "end": "01:48:09", "text": "He said that he had other concerns with"}, {"start": "01:48:07", "end": "01:48:12", "text": "graduate school, his pending marriage to"}, {"start": "01:48:09", "end": "01:48:14", "text": "his fiance, and financial pressures. He"}, {"start": "01:48:12", "end": "01:48:18", "text": "also said that he simply did not have"}, {"start": "01:48:14", "end": "01:48:21", "text": "time for UFOs. Cassion regarded nest's"}, {"start": "01:48:18", "end": "01:48:23", "text": "interest with beusement. Even so, both"}, {"start": "01:48:21", "end": "01:48:25", "text": "culp and masters thought that Castion's"}, {"start": "01:48:23", "end": "01:48:28", "text": "outlook was a little too detached, as if"}, {"start": "01:48:25", "end": "01:48:30", "text": "he had been conditioned to disregard the"}, {"start": "01:48:28", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "experience and not to look into it"}, {"start": "01:48:30", "end": "01:48:34", "text": "further. After saying goodbye to the two"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:37", "text": "young men, Master suggested that Dr."}, {"start": "01:48:34", "end": "01:48:39", "text": "Culp and he debriefed over dinner at the"}, {"start": "01:48:37", "end": "01:48:41", "text": "chart house overlooking the water. Culp"}, {"start": "01:48:39", "end": "01:48:43", "text": "declined, stating that they should do"}, {"start": "01:48:41", "end": "01:48:45", "text": "their work without distractions in the"}, {"start": "01:48:43", "end": "01:48:47", "text": "most efficient manner possible, as she"}, {"start": "01:48:45", "end": "01:48:48", "text": "had a plane to catch. They were in"}, {"start": "01:48:47", "end": "01:48:50", "text": "general agreement as to their"}, {"start": "01:48:48", "end": "01:48:53", "text": "impressions of the men's story. The two"}, {"start": "01:48:50", "end": "01:48:55", "text": "men seemed to be sincere."}, {"start": "01:48:53", "end": "01:48:57", "text": "They had nothing to gain by making up"}, {"start": "01:48:55", "end": "01:48:58", "text": "the story. Indeed, Castile was"}, {"start": "01:48:57", "end": "01:49:01", "text": "uncomfortable with the time that he gave"}, {"start": "01:48:58", "end": "01:49:03", "text": "to this exercise, being anxious to get"}, {"start": "01:49:01", "end": "01:49:05", "text": "back to his normal pursuits. There's one"}, {"start": "01:49:03", "end": "01:49:07", "text": "more thing to do before we leave this"}, {"start": "01:49:05", "end": "01:49:10", "text": "mud hole of a town. master said. We"}, {"start": "01:49:07", "end": "01:49:13", "text": "should drive by the house of Dapprey."}, {"start": "01:49:10", "end": "01:49:16", "text": "See what there is to see. No need, said"}, {"start": "01:49:13", "end": "01:49:17", "text": "Kulp as she was repacking her briefcase."}, {"start": "01:49:16", "end": "01:49:19", "text": "Why not? Don't you think that there's"}, {"start": "01:49:17", "end": "01:49:22", "text": "something to be gained from going back"}, {"start": "01:49:19", "end": "01:49:25", "text": "to the scene? Sure, but not from me"}, {"start": "01:49:22", "end": "01:49:27", "text": "doing so. I was raised in Palos Veres."}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:28", "text": "In fact, I went to Dapprey Elementary"}, {"start": "01:49:27", "end": "01:49:30", "text": "School. I've seen Dapprey Lane dozens of"}, {"start": "01:49:28", "end": "01:49:31", "text": "times. There's nothing about the street"}, {"start": "01:49:30", "end": "01:49:34", "text": "to suggest anything out of the ordinary"}, {"start": "01:49:31", "end": "01:49:37", "text": "except and she hesitated. Except what,"}, {"start": "01:49:34", "end": "01:49:40", "text": "Dr. Cult? Master's asked. \"Oh, nothing."}, {"start": "01:49:37", "end": "01:49:41", "text": "It's It's nothing really.\" She waved her"}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:43", "text": "hand dismissively and went back to her"}, {"start": "01:49:41", "end": "01:49:46", "text": "packing."}, {"start": "01:49:43", "end": "01:49:48", "text": "\"Humor me, Beth,\" Master said, moving"}, {"start": "01:49:46", "end": "01:49:50", "text": "around the table to face her. \"Well,"}, {"start": "01:49:48", "end": "01:49:52", "text": "there was a report which came into the"}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "UFO center in Denver several years ago,"}, {"start": "01:49:52", "end": "01:49:57", "text": "which we just finished investigating,"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:49:59", "text": "but it was so offthe-wall that I'm sure"}, {"start": "01:49:57", "end": "01:50:01", "text": "it has nothing to do with our boys in"}, {"start": "01:49:59", "end": "01:50:04", "text": "their red ball.\""}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:06", "text": "Enough with the coiness, doctor. give"}, {"start": "01:50:04", "end": "01:50:07", "text": "what supposedly happened. Oh, it was"}, {"start": "01:50:06", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "kind of like one of those terrible"}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:12", "text": "low-budget science fiction movies from"}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:14", "text": "the ' 50s. In fact, that's what we"}, {"start": "01:50:12", "end": "01:50:15", "text": "thought inspired this little story."}, {"start": "01:50:14", "end": "01:50:18", "text": "However, there are certain similarities"}, {"start": "01:50:15", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "to these interviews. That settles it,"}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:22", "text": "thought Masters, grabbing her hand. Come"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:24", "text": "on, you can tell me the story on the"}, {"start": "01:50:22", "end": "01:50:27", "text": "way. Once they were in the car, Culp"}, {"start": "01:50:24", "end": "01:50:30", "text": "resumed her story. It happened 7 years"}, {"start": "01:50:27", "end": "01:50:32", "text": "ago in August of 1971."}, {"start": "01:50:30", "end": "01:50:35", "text": "There were these two young guys around"}, {"start": "01:50:32", "end": "01:50:36", "text": "the same ages as Casio and Ernest. Their"}, {"start": "01:50:35", "end": "01:50:38", "text": "names were John Hodes and Peter"}, {"start": "01:50:36", "end": "01:50:41", "text": "Rodriguez."}, {"start": "01:50:38", "end": "01:50:44", "text": "They were visiting a mutual friend on"}, {"start": "01:50:41", "end": "01:50:47", "text": "Dapprey Lane at 2 a.m. They left their"}, {"start": "01:50:44", "end": "01:50:49", "text": "friend's house and got into Haj's car."}, {"start": "01:50:47", "end": "01:50:51", "text": "They then saw two large brains in the"}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:53", "text": "middle of the road ahead of them, each"}, {"start": "01:50:51", "end": "01:50:56", "text": "about as high as a man's waist when"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:50:58", "text": "standing, and each apparently alive."}, {"start": "01:50:56", "end": "01:51:00", "text": "Hodgees drove around the brains and took"}, {"start": "01:50:58", "end": "01:51:03", "text": "Rodriguez back to his apartment below"}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:05", "text": "Palos Veres. Masters interrupted her."}, {"start": "01:51:03", "end": "01:51:07", "text": "Oh, wait a minute. Hajes sees two giant"}, {"start": "01:51:05", "end": "01:51:08", "text": "living brains in the middle of the road"}, {"start": "01:51:07", "end": "01:51:10", "text": "in front of him and he just drives"}, {"start": "01:51:08", "end": "01:51:13", "text": "around them just like that. Culp"}, {"start": "01:51:10", "end": "01:51:14", "text": "laughed. I told you that it didn't make"}, {"start": "01:51:13", "end": "01:51:16", "text": "any sense. And he said that they were"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "afraid of them and felt getting away was"}, {"start": "01:51:16", "end": "01:51:21", "text": "the most important thing to do at the"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:24", "text": "time. Masters remained incredulous."}, {"start": "01:51:21", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "So, did they call the cops about this?"}, {"start": "01:51:24", "end": "01:51:28", "text": "Culp laughed louder. Well, no, of course"}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:31", "text": "not. If they did that, then their story"}, {"start": "01:51:28", "end": "01:51:33", "text": "would begin to make sense. Masters shot"}, {"start": "01:51:31", "end": "01:51:35", "text": "her a look of intense skepticism. She"}, {"start": "01:51:33", "end": "01:51:37", "text": "seemed amused at his frustration in"}, {"start": "01:51:35", "end": "01:51:39", "text": "dealing with what he clearly regarded as"}, {"start": "01:51:37", "end": "01:51:41", "text": "nonsense."}, {"start": "01:51:39", "end": "01:51:43", "text": "\"Okay,\" she said. The story wouldn't"}, {"start": "01:51:41", "end": "01:51:45", "text": "make sense in any event, but the point"}, {"start": "01:51:43", "end": "01:51:48", "text": "is that it was weird that they didn't"}, {"start": "01:51:45", "end": "01:51:49", "text": "call the cops, honk their horns, go bang"}, {"start": "01:51:48", "end": "01:51:51", "text": "on the friend's door or a neighbor's"}, {"start": "01:51:49", "end": "01:51:53", "text": "door. Instead, they just try to get home"}, {"start": "01:51:51", "end": "01:51:55", "text": "without any effort to report it to"}, {"start": "01:51:53", "end": "01:51:58", "text": "anyone."}, {"start": "01:51:55", "end": "01:52:03", "text": "and it somehow takes Hodgeges 2 hours to"}, {"start": "01:51:58", "end": "01:52:05", "text": "get home, even though he lives nearby."}, {"start": "01:52:03", "end": "01:52:06", "text": "He was recently regressed under hypnosis"}, {"start": "01:52:05", "end": "01:52:08", "text": "by one of my colleagues, and he"}, {"start": "01:52:06", "end": "01:52:10", "text": "remembered a much different story to"}, {"start": "01:52:08", "end": "01:52:12", "text": "explain the 2-hour gap. He said that he"}, {"start": "01:52:10", "end": "01:52:14", "text": "encountered the brains again outside of"}, {"start": "01:52:12", "end": "01:52:17", "text": "his apartment, whereupon he was"}, {"start": "01:52:14", "end": "01:52:18", "text": "projected out of his car and into an"}, {"start": "01:52:17", "end": "01:52:20", "text": "equipment-filled room where he was"}, {"start": "01:52:18", "end": "01:52:23", "text": "confronted by humanoids who warned him"}, {"start": "01:52:20", "end": "01:52:26", "text": "of dangers of nuclear war. Hajes was"}, {"start": "01:52:23", "end": "01:52:27", "text": "abducted a second time under similar"}, {"start": "01:52:26", "end": "01:52:29", "text": "circumstances and was given a brain"}, {"start": "01:52:27", "end": "01:52:32", "text": "implant that he was told by the"}, {"start": "01:52:29", "end": "01:52:34", "text": "humanoids would increase his quote"}, {"start": "01:52:32", "end": "01:52:35", "text": "unquote psychic awareness. They also"}, {"start": "01:52:34", "end": "01:52:37", "text": "told him that humankind is the product"}, {"start": "01:52:35", "end": "01:52:39", "text": "of millions of years of scientific"}, {"start": "01:52:37", "end": "01:52:41", "text": "experimentation."}, {"start": "01:52:39", "end": "01:52:43", "text": "By now, Masters was chuckling to"}, {"start": "01:52:41", "end": "01:52:46", "text": "himself. Kulp herself smiled with a hint"}, {"start": "01:52:43", "end": "01:52:48", "text": "of embarrassment. What? she said,"}, {"start": "01:52:46", "end": "01:52:50", "text": "pretending not to know why he would be"}, {"start": "01:52:48", "end": "01:52:52", "text": "laughing about the kidnapping brains of"}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:54", "text": "Dapprey Lane."}, {"start": "01:52:52", "end": "01:52:56", "text": "Beth,"}, {"start": "01:52:54", "end": "01:52:59", "text": "it sounds like bad drugs to me, not bad"}, {"start": "01:52:56", "end": "01:53:01", "text": "brains, he said between bursts of"}, {"start": "01:52:59", "end": "01:53:03", "text": "laughter. She started laughing too."}, {"start": "01:53:01", "end": "01:53:05", "text": "Well, I tried to avoid telling you about"}, {"start": "01:53:03", "end": "01:53:08", "text": "it. I know it sounds like a stupid old"}, {"start": "01:53:05", "end": "01:53:10", "text": "movie, Donovan's Brain or something."}, {"start": "01:53:08", "end": "01:53:12", "text": "I think that we ought to add blood tests"}, {"start": "01:53:10", "end": "01:53:14", "text": "to these interviews, master said, not"}, {"start": "01:53:12", "end": "01:53:16", "text": "laughing as hard now. These things have"}, {"start": "01:53:14", "end": "01:53:18", "text": "to be hallucinations."}, {"start": "01:53:16", "end": "01:53:21", "text": "Culp stopped laughing at that. Sedwick,"}, {"start": "01:53:18", "end": "01:53:22", "text": "this is no hallucination. I'm not"}, {"start": "01:53:21", "end": "01:53:25", "text": "standing tall for the brain story, but"}, {"start": "01:53:22", "end": "01:53:28", "text": "it is clear to me these two young men"}, {"start": "01:53:25", "end": "01:53:32", "text": "that we met today really believe that"}, {"start": "01:53:28", "end": "01:53:34", "text": "what they saw was what they saw."}, {"start": "01:53:32", "end": "01:53:37", "text": "And they only had one beer a piece when"}, {"start": "01:53:34", "end": "01:53:38", "text": "they visited that fellow."}, {"start": "01:53:37", "end": "01:53:41", "text": "Do we check the address where they saw"}, {"start": "01:53:38", "end": "01:53:43", "text": "the ball? He asked. Yes. The problem is"}, {"start": "01:53:41", "end": "01:53:46", "text": "that it was being leased to the guy with"}, {"start": "01:53:43", "end": "01:53:48", "text": "the weird music. He moved out. Tracing"}, {"start": "01:53:46", "end": "01:53:50", "text": "him went nowhere. The intriguing"}, {"start": "01:53:48", "end": "01:53:52", "text": "question is whether he is the same guy"}, {"start": "01:53:50", "end": "01:53:55", "text": "who was visited by Hodgees and Rodriguez"}, {"start": "01:53:52", "end": "01:53:57", "text": "6 years earlier."}, {"start": "01:53:55", "end": "01:53:59", "text": "Unfortunately, we lost contact with"}, {"start": "01:53:57", "end": "01:54:00", "text": "Hodgees and Rodriguez before we knew"}, {"start": "01:53:59", "end": "01:54:03", "text": "about Castio and Ernest, so we've been"}, {"start": "01:54:00", "end": "01:54:05", "text": "unable to check. We're working on it."}, {"start": "01:54:03", "end": "01:54:07", "text": "They were proceeding west on Palos"}, {"start": "01:54:05", "end": "01:54:09", "text": "Verdees Drive, the street that encircled"}, {"start": "01:54:07", "end": "01:54:11", "text": "the entire Palos Verdees Peninsula."}, {"start": "01:54:09", "end": "01:54:13", "text": "After they passed the reservoir above"}, {"start": "01:54:11", "end": "01:54:15", "text": "San Pedro, the quality of the drive"}, {"start": "01:54:13", "end": "01:54:17", "text": "changed with the road narrowing and the"}, {"start": "01:54:15", "end": "01:54:19", "text": "trees becoming much more dense. Young"}, {"start": "01:54:17", "end": "01:54:22", "text": "girls were riding horses along the side"}, {"start": "01:54:19", "end": "01:54:25", "text": "of the road, their dogs bounding along"}, {"start": "01:54:22", "end": "01:54:27", "text": "ahead. It was a beautiful place, an"}, {"start": "01:54:25", "end": "01:54:30", "text": "island of rural tranquility above the"}, {"start": "01:54:27", "end": "01:54:32", "text": "brown suburban sea of LA."}, {"start": "01:54:30", "end": "01:54:35", "text": "Purchased and maintained with money,"}, {"start": "01:54:32", "end": "01:54:37", "text": "lots of money. It was not Virginia, but"}, {"start": "01:54:35", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "it reminded masters of his home state,"}, {"start": "01:54:37", "end": "01:54:41", "text": "the horses and the rural peace. Soon"}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:43", "text": "they came upon the sign for Dapprey"}, {"start": "01:54:41", "end": "01:54:45", "text": "Lane. They turned right and followed the"}, {"start": "01:54:43", "end": "01:54:49", "text": "short road up and down a couple of hilly"}, {"start": "01:54:45", "end": "01:54:52", "text": "rises and dips. It ended in a culde-sac"}, {"start": "01:54:49", "end": "01:54:54", "text": "with no curbs at the side of the road."}, {"start": "01:54:52", "end": "01:54:56", "text": "Most of the lane was shaded with the"}, {"start": "01:54:54", "end": "01:54:59", "text": "40-year-old trees which lined it on both"}, {"start": "01:54:56", "end": "01:55:00", "text": "sides. There were ranch homes spaced out"}, {"start": "01:54:59", "end": "01:55:03", "text": "at some distance from one another on"}, {"start": "01:55:00", "end": "01:55:04", "text": "both sides. Masters could see the"}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:06", "text": "stables and tennis courts in the"}, {"start": "01:55:04", "end": "01:55:08", "text": "backyards."}, {"start": "01:55:06", "end": "01:55:10", "text": "It was quiet, comfortable, and seemed"}, {"start": "01:55:08", "end": "01:55:13", "text": "utterly unlikely to be the venue for"}, {"start": "01:55:10", "end": "01:55:15", "text": "alien probes and giant disembodied"}, {"start": "01:55:13", "end": "01:55:17", "text": "brains."}, {"start": "01:55:15", "end": "01:55:20", "text": "By the way, pause here. Didn't the"}, {"start": "01:55:17", "end": "01:55:23", "text": "Immaculate Constellation document also"}, {"start": "01:55:20", "end": "01:55:25", "text": "mention floating brains? By the way, I"}, {"start": "01:55:23", "end": "01:55:27", "text": "believe it did."}, {"start": "01:55:25", "end": "01:55:30", "text": "Shout outs to those who's made that"}, {"start": "01:55:27", "end": "01:55:32", "text": "connection already, but that is"}, {"start": "01:55:30", "end": "01:55:38", "text": "Yes, I remember reading that. That is"}, {"start": "01:55:32", "end": "01:55:38", "text": "disturbing to say the least. Now again,"}, {"start": "01:55:38", "end": "01:55:43", "text": "are the reports of floating brains"}, {"start": "01:55:43", "end": "01:55:50", "text": "made up as some passage material uh"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:52", "text": "inserted into the bowels of the agency"}, {"start": "01:55:50", "end": "01:55:55", "text": "uh by the very same people who wrote"}, {"start": "01:55:52", "end": "01:55:57", "text": "this article? Or"}, {"start": "01:55:55", "end": "01:56:01", "text": "have multiple people witnessed giant"}, {"start": "01:55:57", "end": "01:56:01", "text": "floating brains for real?"}, {"start": "01:56:02", "end": "01:56:06", "text": "Give me the grays. Give me the mantids."}, {"start": "01:56:04", "end": "01:56:10", "text": "Actually, I'll take mantids over"}, {"start": "01:56:06", "end": "01:56:10", "text": "floating brains."}, {"start": "01:56:10", "end": "01:56:16", "text": "I guess the Ninja Turtles weren't so far"}, {"start": "01:56:12", "end": "01:56:19", "text": "off with Crang after all."}, {"start": "01:56:16", "end": "01:56:21", "text": "Which house was it? He wondered."}, {"start": "01:56:19", "end": "01:56:23", "text": "That was the temporary abode of this"}, {"start": "01:56:21", "end": "01:56:25", "text": "alleged alien agent. No house looked"}, {"start": "01:56:23", "end": "01:56:27", "text": "more likely than another. They all"}, {"start": "01:56:25", "end": "01:56:29", "text": "seemed quintessentially domestic and"}, {"start": "01:56:27", "end": "01:56:31", "text": "serene."}, {"start": "01:56:29", "end": "01:56:32", "text": "They would run all of the records, but"}, {"start": "01:56:31", "end": "01:56:34", "text": "he already knew that they would find"}, {"start": "01:56:32", "end": "01:56:36", "text": "nothing."}, {"start": "01:56:34", "end": "01:56:38", "text": "Which house was it? Masters asked. That"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:40", "text": "one over there on the northwest side of"}, {"start": "01:56:38", "end": "01:56:42", "text": "the street, she replied. You can see"}, {"start": "01:56:40", "end": "01:56:44", "text": "that it was yet another of the"}, {"start": "01:56:42", "end": "01:56:46", "text": "ranchstyle homes. Perhaps a little more"}, {"start": "01:56:44", "end": "01:56:48", "text": "in need of maintenance than its"}, {"start": "01:56:46", "end": "01:56:51", "text": "neighbors, but otherwise serenely normal"}, {"start": "01:56:48", "end": "01:56:52", "text": "by all appearances."}, {"start": "01:56:51", "end": "01:56:54", "text": "He brought their car to a halt and"}, {"start": "01:56:52", "end": "01:56:56", "text": "jumped out to look around. There"}, {"start": "01:56:54", "end": "01:56:58", "text": "appeared to be no one home. The windows"}, {"start": "01:56:56", "end": "01:57:01", "text": "were shuttered from the inside. He"}, {"start": "01:56:58", "end": "01:57:03", "text": "pulled himself up on the backyard fence."}, {"start": "01:57:01", "end": "01:57:05", "text": "Nothing unusual there. What in the hell"}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:07", "text": "had happened here?"}, {"start": "01:57:05", "end": "01:57:09", "text": "He walked back to the front yard and"}, {"start": "01:57:07", "end": "01:57:11", "text": "looked at the faded lawn next to the"}, {"start": "01:57:09", "end": "01:57:13", "text": "front of the walkway."}, {"start": "01:57:11", "end": "01:57:14", "text": "The place where the ball had been seen."}, {"start": "01:57:13", "end": "01:57:16", "text": "There was no sign on the grass of"}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:19", "text": "anything out of the ordinary except for"}, {"start": "01:57:16", "end": "01:57:21", "text": "small patches where lab samples had been"}, {"start": "01:57:19", "end": "01:57:23", "text": "taken."}, {"start": "01:57:21", "end": "01:57:26", "text": "Culp told him the lab test of the soil"}, {"start": "01:57:23", "end": "01:57:28", "text": "and grass revealed nothing unusual."}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "See, said Kulp, breaking through his"}, {"start": "01:57:28", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "revery."}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:34", "text": "There is nothing here now that you've"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:36", "text": "made me miss my plane to Vancouver."}, {"start": "01:57:34", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "Sorry, but I thought we had to see it"}, {"start": "01:57:36", "end": "01:57:40", "text": "for ourselves, and I figured I'd better"}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:43", "text": "take a former native with me in case I"}, {"start": "01:57:40", "end": "01:57:46", "text": "needed an an interpreter for the brains."}, {"start": "01:57:43", "end": "01:57:48", "text": "She laughed. I've been gone for years,"}, {"start": "01:57:46", "end": "01:57:51", "text": "and most of the people who I knew here"}, {"start": "01:57:48", "end": "01:57:53", "text": "were a little short of brains, frankly."}, {"start": "01:57:51", "end": "01:57:56", "text": "In any case, we've seen it. Now, can we"}, {"start": "01:57:53", "end": "01:57:57", "text": "go to the airport? Just an hour after"}, {"start": "01:57:56", "end": "01:58:00", "text": "landing at Wright Patterson Air Force"}, {"start": "01:57:57", "end": "01:58:03", "text": "Base in Dayton, Ohio, Masters gave his"}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:05", "text": "report in writing and orally to the Air"}, {"start": "01:58:03", "end": "01:58:08", "text": "Force captain with whom he had the"}, {"start": "01:58:05", "end": "01:58:10", "text": "cordial disagreement 3 weeks earlier."}, {"start": "01:58:08", "end": "01:58:13", "text": "The captain made no comment until"}, {"start": "01:58:10", "end": "01:58:14", "text": "Masters completed his presentation. The"}, {"start": "01:58:13", "end": "01:58:16", "text": "captain then said, \"Don't be too"}, {"start": "01:58:14", "end": "01:58:19", "text": "disappointed that you couldn't come up"}, {"start": "01:58:16", "end": "01:58:21", "text": "with much out there, Mr. Masters. We've"}, {"start": "01:58:19", "end": "01:58:24", "text": "had quite a few of these reports and so"}, {"start": "01:58:21", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "far they've led us nowhere."}, {"start": "01:58:24", "end": "01:58:28", "text": "Masters was a little surprised by this."}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "Although by now his capacity for"}, {"start": "01:58:28", "end": "01:58:33", "text": "surprise had been somewhat diminished."}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:35", "text": "You had more of these. The captain rose"}, {"start": "01:58:33", "end": "01:58:37", "text": "from his desk. Let me show you"}, {"start": "01:58:35", "end": "01:58:39", "text": "something. Please come with me. He"}, {"start": "01:58:37", "end": "01:58:41", "text": "directed masters down the hall from his"}, {"start": "01:58:39", "end": "01:58:43", "text": "office until they came to an unmarked"}, {"start": "01:58:41", "end": "01:58:45", "text": "door that looked like a broom closet. He"}, {"start": "01:58:43", "end": "01:58:47", "text": "unlocked it, turned on the lights, and"}, {"start": "01:58:45", "end": "01:58:50", "text": "escorted masters into a very large file"}, {"start": "01:58:47", "end": "01:58:52", "text": "room which contained rows of filing"}, {"start": "01:58:50", "end": "01:58:54", "text": "cabinets. There are over 2 million files"}, {"start": "01:58:52", "end": "01:58:56", "text": "in this room documenting an equal number"}, {"start": "01:58:54", "end": "01:58:58", "text": "of separate reports involving facts"}, {"start": "01:58:56", "end": "01:59:00", "text": "similar to your red ball story."}, {"start": "01:58:58", "end": "01:59:02", "text": "Sometimes the balls are white, green,"}, {"start": "01:59:00", "end": "01:59:04", "text": "yellow, blue, or orange. But the basic"}, {"start": "01:59:02", "end": "01:59:06", "text": "outline of the story, you were told, is"}, {"start": "01:59:04", "end": "01:59:09", "text": "repeated millions of times in these"}, {"start": "01:59:06", "end": "01:59:11", "text": "files, which we've been compiling since"}, {"start": "01:59:09", "end": "01:59:13", "text": "1945."}, {"start": "01:59:11", "end": "01:59:16", "text": "The wise guys around here refer to this"}, {"start": "01:59:13", "end": "01:59:18", "text": "place as the ballroom. Little play on"}, {"start": "01:59:16", "end": "01:59:22", "text": "words. The captain chuckled. Wanley."}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:24", "text": "Wanley. Wanley."}, {"start": "01:59:22", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "2 million since 1945."}, {"start": "01:59:24", "end": "01:59:28", "text": "Have all these been investigated?"}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:30", "text": "Masters asked, impressed by what he was"}, {"start": "01:59:28", "end": "01:59:32", "text": "told. No way that we could devote the"}, {"start": "01:59:30", "end": "01:59:34", "text": "resources to such an effort. In fact,"}, {"start": "01:59:32", "end": "01:59:36", "text": "your interview of Castillo and Ernest"}, {"start": "01:59:34", "end": "01:59:38", "text": "was more effort than we usually go to"}, {"start": "01:59:36", "end": "01:59:40", "text": "from your ball incidents."}, {"start": "01:59:38", "end": "01:59:41", "text": "We dug deeper into their case because of"}, {"start": "01:59:40", "end": "01:59:43", "text": "all the other sightings that they had"}, {"start": "01:59:41", "end": "01:59:45", "text": "experienced in addition to the red ball"}, {"start": "01:59:43", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "business. There are just too many of"}, {"start": "01:59:45", "end": "01:59:50", "text": "these ball stories to follow up on. We"}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:52", "text": "don't even put these on the computer. We"}, {"start": "01:59:50", "end": "01:59:54", "text": "just convert the reports to our format"}, {"start": "01:59:52", "end": "01:59:56", "text": "and put them in here on the off chance"}, {"start": "01:59:54", "end": "01:59:58", "text": "that they turn out to be more"}, {"start": "01:59:56", "end": "02:00:00", "text": "significant than we think they are."}, {"start": "01:59:58", "end": "02:00:02", "text": "Masters could feel his frustration with"}, {"start": "02:00:00", "end": "02:00:05", "text": "the captain's way of doing things rising"}, {"start": "02:00:02", "end": "02:00:06", "text": "once again. Only this time, he'd only"}, {"start": "02:00:05", "end": "02:00:09", "text": "been on the base for an hour. Last time"}, {"start": "02:00:06", "end": "02:00:11", "text": "it took two whole days."}, {"start": "02:00:09", "end": "02:00:13", "text": "And just how significant do you folks"}, {"start": "02:00:11", "end": "02:00:15", "text": "think that they are? He asked, trying to"}, {"start": "02:00:13", "end": "02:00:17", "text": "give no hint of his feelings."}, {"start": "02:00:15", "end": "02:00:19", "text": "Near as we can figure from the stories"}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:21", "text": "in these files, the balls are some sort"}, {"start": "02:00:19", "end": "02:00:23", "text": "of scanning device. Could be that when"}, {"start": "02:00:21", "end": "02:00:25", "text": "Castillion and Ernest said they just"}, {"start": "02:00:23", "end": "02:00:27", "text": "stood there for 3 hours, they did just"}, {"start": "02:00:25", "end": "02:00:30", "text": "that while this red ball scanned them"}, {"start": "02:00:27", "end": "02:00:33", "text": "for data. Yeah, master said without"}, {"start": "02:00:30", "end": "02:00:36", "text": "conviction. Could be."}, {"start": "02:00:33", "end": "02:00:39", "text": "Besides, the captain added. We had"}, {"start": "02:00:36", "end": "02:00:42", "text": "bigger concerns to occupy our resources"}, {"start": "02:00:39", "end": "02:00:44", "text": "such as masters asked. I'm glad you"}, {"start": "02:00:42", "end": "02:00:46", "text": "asked that. Come with me. The colonel"}, {"start": "02:00:44", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "instructed us to show you something that"}, {"start": "02:00:46", "end": "02:00:50", "text": "we recovered several years ago. One"}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:54", "text": "which has recently presented us with"}, {"start": "02:00:50", "end": "02:00:56", "text": "somewhat of a unique problem."}, {"start": "02:00:54", "end": "02:00:57", "text": "Lead the way, said masters, still"}, {"start": "02:00:56", "end": "02:01:01", "text": "thinking about over 2 million ball"}, {"start": "02:00:57", "end": "02:01:03", "text": "incidences and wondering what next. They"}, {"start": "02:01:01", "end": "02:01:07", "text": "were met by an AP who drove them in a"}, {"start": "02:01:03", "end": "02:01:09", "text": "jeep out to one of the hangers somewhat"}, {"start": "02:01:07", "end": "02:01:11", "text": "removed from the flight line."}, {"start": "02:01:09", "end": "02:01:13", "text": "The hanger was guarded but unmarked. The"}, {"start": "02:01:11", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "captain saluted the guard and they"}, {"start": "02:01:13", "end": "02:01:16", "text": "entered the hanger, going through the"}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:18", "text": "usual security routine and changing"}, {"start": "02:01:16", "end": "02:01:21", "text": "their security badges before going"}, {"start": "02:01:18", "end": "02:01:22", "text": "further into the hangar."}, {"start": "02:01:21", "end": "02:01:25", "text": "When they went through the second set of"}, {"start": "02:01:22", "end": "02:01:28", "text": "doors, masters saw a lot of men and"}, {"start": "02:01:25", "end": "02:01:30", "text": "women in unbuttoned white coats standing"}, {"start": "02:01:28", "end": "02:01:33", "text": "around some sort of drone aircraft which"}, {"start": "02:01:30", "end": "02:01:36", "text": "was connected by cables and wires to"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:39", "text": "racks of test equipment and computers"}, {"start": "02:01:36", "end": "02:01:42", "text": "attended by prototypical quote unquote"}, {"start": "02:01:39", "end": "02:01:44", "text": "nerds whose unckempt hair appeared in"}, {"start": "02:01:42", "end": "02:01:46", "text": "stark contrast to their crisp white"}, {"start": "02:01:44", "end": "02:01:49", "text": "coats. No one seemed to notice when they"}, {"start": "02:01:46", "end": "02:01:52", "text": "first walked in. Everyone seemed intent"}, {"start": "02:01:49", "end": "02:01:54", "text": "upon a test that was being run."}, {"start": "02:01:52", "end": "02:01:57", "text": "As they drew closer to the group,"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:59", "text": "Masters realized that what he had"}, {"start": "02:01:57", "end": "02:02:03", "text": "thought was a drone"}, {"start": "02:01:59", "end": "02:02:06", "text": "was actually built as a piloted craft."}, {"start": "02:02:03", "end": "02:02:08", "text": "It was a cockpit with a seamless clear"}, {"start": "02:02:06", "end": "02:02:11", "text": "canopy, but there was something wrong,"}, {"start": "02:02:08", "end": "02:02:13", "text": "something not quite right. The captain"}, {"start": "02:02:11", "end": "02:02:15", "text": "looked a little smug as he led Masters"}, {"start": "02:02:13", "end": "02:02:18", "text": "to the craft. At first, Masters told"}, {"start": "02:02:15", "end": "02:02:20", "text": "himself that he would not bite. He would"}, {"start": "02:02:18", "end": "02:02:22", "text": "wait to be told, but he couldn't stand"}, {"start": "02:02:20", "end": "02:02:26", "text": "it any longer. There was something so"}, {"start": "02:02:22", "end": "02:02:28", "text": "odd about the little flying wing model."}, {"start": "02:02:26", "end": "02:02:30", "text": "Captain,"}, {"start": "02:02:28", "end": "02:02:35", "text": "what is this thing?"}, {"start": "02:02:30", "end": "02:02:36", "text": "Who flies it? Cockpit's so small, it"}, {"start": "02:02:35", "end": "02:02:38", "text": "would have to be a seven-year-old. And"}, {"start": "02:02:36", "end": "02:02:40", "text": "what's that humming sound? Masters"}, {"start": "02:02:38", "end": "02:02:42", "text": "asked. Do you notice anything else odd"}, {"start": "02:02:40", "end": "02:02:45", "text": "about it, Mr. Masters? the captain"}, {"start": "02:02:42", "end": "02:02:48", "text": "asked, obviously enjoying this. Well,"}, {"start": "02:02:45", "end": "02:02:50", "text": "yeah. Where are the engines? There's"}, {"start": "02:02:48", "end": "02:02:53", "text": "there are no props and no jets, no"}, {"start": "02:02:50", "end": "02:02:55", "text": "ailons. The shape of the wings is not"}, {"start": "02:02:53", "end": "02:02:58", "text": "right for a plane. It's just a wing."}, {"start": "02:02:55", "end": "02:03:01", "text": "There's no fuselage, no tail. What is"}, {"start": "02:02:58", "end": "02:03:04", "text": "that humming sound? Quite right, Mr."}, {"start": "02:03:01", "end": "02:03:06", "text": "Masters. This is a recovered craft which"}, {"start": "02:03:04", "end": "02:03:08", "text": "we picked up in a field in the Midwest"}, {"start": "02:03:06", "end": "02:03:10", "text": "around 1972."}, {"start": "02:03:08", "end": "02:03:12", "text": "It's a sort of single-seater flying wing"}, {"start": "02:03:10", "end": "02:03:14", "text": "craft superficially similar to the"}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:18", "text": "flying wing prototypes developed by the"}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:20", "text": "Germans and us during World War II. The"}, {"start": "02:03:18", "end": "02:03:23", "text": "captain went on while leading masters"}, {"start": "02:03:20", "end": "02:03:25", "text": "over to a table with a coffee earn and"}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:27", "text": "coffee cups. We kind of lucked out on"}, {"start": "02:03:25", "end": "02:03:29", "text": "this one. We didn't see it on radar or"}, {"start": "02:03:27", "end": "02:03:31", "text": "anything like that. There were three"}, {"start": "02:03:29", "end": "02:03:34", "text": "good old boys who were out hunting one"}, {"start": "02:03:31", "end": "02:03:36", "text": "fine fall day 1972 to the west of here."}, {"start": "02:03:34", "end": "02:03:38", "text": "Their dogs ran across this small gray"}, {"start": "02:03:36", "end": "02:03:40", "text": "who had died in the woods. These old"}, {"start": "02:03:38", "end": "02:03:42", "text": "fellas had backtracked down the trail of"}, {"start": "02:03:40", "end": "02:03:44", "text": "the gray once they got over their shock"}, {"start": "02:03:42", "end": "02:03:46", "text": "at the appearance of the alien. About a"}, {"start": "02:03:44", "end": "02:03:50", "text": "mile back up this trail, there was this"}, {"start": "02:03:46", "end": "02:03:53", "text": "plane sitting in a field, just as pretty"}, {"start": "02:03:50", "end": "02:03:56", "text": "as you please. There was no crash. The"}, {"start": "02:03:53", "end": "02:03:58", "text": "alien had made a perfect landing as far"}, {"start": "02:03:56", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "as we can tell."}, {"start": "02:03:58", "end": "02:04:01", "text": "But something went wrong for him. He was"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:03", "text": "dead. These old boys being the good"}, {"start": "02:04:01", "end": "02:04:06", "text": "patriotic members of the World War II"}, {"start": "02:04:03", "end": "02:04:08", "text": "generation that they were hightailed it"}, {"start": "02:04:06", "end": "02:04:10", "text": "back to their truck and got to a"}, {"start": "02:04:08", "end": "02:04:12", "text": "telephone to call the Air Force."}, {"start": "02:04:10", "end": "02:04:14", "text": "We rounded them up, retrieved the body"}, {"start": "02:04:12", "end": "02:04:16", "text": "and the plane and scared the hell out of"}, {"start": "02:04:14", "end": "02:04:18", "text": "the hunters while still appealing to"}, {"start": "02:04:16", "end": "02:04:20", "text": "their patriotism."}, {"start": "02:04:18", "end": "02:04:21", "text": "One really nice thing about the World"}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:23", "text": "War II generation is that they know the"}, {"start": "02:04:21", "end": "02:04:25", "text": "value of national security and don't put"}, {"start": "02:04:23", "end": "02:04:27", "text": "up much of a fight about keeping these"}, {"start": "02:04:25", "end": "02:04:29", "text": "things secret."}, {"start": "02:04:27", "end": "02:04:31", "text": "I got to say I agree with that, you"}, {"start": "02:04:29", "end": "02:04:32", "text": "know. During the Manhattan Project, a"}, {"start": "02:04:31", "end": "02:04:35", "text": "lot of people say, \"How would you keep"}, {"start": "02:04:32", "end": "02:04:38", "text": "this UFO thing under a tarp for so long"}, {"start": "02:04:35", "end": "02:04:39", "text": "and there were 130,000 people that we"}, {"start": "02:04:38", "end": "02:04:42", "text": "know of that were involved with the"}, {"start": "02:04:39", "end": "02:04:45", "text": "Manhattan Project in many different sort"}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:46", "text": "of compartmentalized factions and so a"}, {"start": "02:04:45", "end": "02:04:47", "text": "lot of them didn't know what they were"}, {"start": "02:04:46", "end": "02:04:50", "text": "working on. They just knew it was top"}, {"start": "02:04:47", "end": "02:04:53", "text": "secret. But after the war, like directly"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:55", "text": "after"}, {"start": "02:04:53", "end": "02:04:57", "text": "and during, while you were working on"}, {"start": "02:04:55", "end": "02:05:00", "text": "the Manhattan project, building nuclear"}, {"start": "02:04:57", "end": "02:05:03", "text": "arms,"}, {"start": "02:05:00", "end": "02:05:05", "text": "you could consider yourself a hero. You"}, {"start": "02:05:03", "end": "02:05:09", "text": "helped stop the war."}, {"start": "02:05:05", "end": "02:05:12", "text": "It was your duty to protect your country"}, {"start": "02:05:09", "end": "02:05:17", "text": "and to keep those secrets."}, {"start": "02:05:12", "end": "02:05:19", "text": "And so patriotism was very real. I mean,"}, {"start": "02:05:17", "end": "02:05:22", "text": "it's it's the one thing that I think"}, {"start": "02:05:19", "end": "02:05:25", "text": "some people overlook with the secrecy"}, {"start": "02:05:22", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "business is that when true national"}, {"start": "02:05:25", "end": "02:05:31", "text": "security is at risk, a lot of people are"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:33", "text": "willing to keep a secret to their grave"}, {"start": "02:05:31", "end": "02:05:35", "text": "and they've demonstrated that in World"}, {"start": "02:05:33", "end": "02:05:37", "text": "War II. And I think just like he said,"}, {"start": "02:05:35", "end": "02:05:40", "text": "the generation um that comes out of"}, {"start": "02:05:37", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "World War II probably still had that"}, {"start": "02:05:40", "end": "02:05:46", "text": "pride in them. And uh and so that's"}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:49", "text": "probably the the one strongest thing"}, {"start": "02:05:46", "end": "02:05:52", "text": "keeping this thing under wraps other"}, {"start": "02:05:49", "end": "02:05:54", "text": "than the threats and uh reprisals and"}, {"start": "02:05:52", "end": "02:05:56", "text": "everything else, but he makes a good"}, {"start": "02:05:54", "end": "02:05:58", "text": "point. So I take it this is the same"}, {"start": "02:05:56", "end": "02:06:00", "text": "kind of small gray that we recovered"}, {"start": "02:05:58", "end": "02:06:03", "text": "from Roswell mentioned uh ventured"}, {"start": "02:06:00", "end": "02:06:04", "text": "masters. Yeah, that's right, said the"}, {"start": "02:06:03", "end": "02:06:07", "text": "captain. For all we know, that little"}, {"start": "02:06:04", "end": "02:06:09", "text": "guy was bred just to deliver this little"}, {"start": "02:06:07", "end": "02:06:11", "text": "plane to us."}, {"start": "02:06:09", "end": "02:06:13", "text": "the way it's scaled down. Some of the"}, {"start": "02:06:11", "end": "02:06:16", "text": "engineers have taken to calling it the"}, {"start": "02:06:13", "end": "02:06:20", "text": "scooter. Kind of cute cuz the small"}, {"start": "02:06:16", "end": "02:06:22", "text": "scale of the thing and all. Yeah, cute,"}, {"start": "02:06:20", "end": "02:06:25", "text": "said masters."}, {"start": "02:06:22", "end": "02:06:28", "text": "So, what do they use it for?"}, {"start": "02:06:25", "end": "02:06:30", "text": "We have no idea, said the captain. We"}, {"start": "02:06:28", "end": "02:06:32", "text": "speculate that it's just some sort of"}, {"start": "02:06:30", "end": "02:06:33", "text": "small shuttle craft for one creature to"}, {"start": "02:06:32", "end": "02:06:36", "text": "come down and gather samples or"}, {"start": "02:06:33", "end": "02:06:38", "text": "whatever, but we may be guilty of"}, {"start": "02:06:36", "end": "02:06:40", "text": "anthropomorphism."}, {"start": "02:06:38", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "For all we know, this thing may be"}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:44", "text": "capable of intergalactic travel. Doesn't"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:45", "text": "seem likely, but then neither does the"}, {"start": "02:06:44", "end": "02:06:49", "text": "entire situation, if you know what I"}, {"start": "02:06:45", "end": "02:06:52", "text": "mean. Yeah, says Masters. I know what"}, {"start": "02:06:49", "end": "02:06:55", "text": "you mean. So, do you know how it works"}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:57", "text": "after having it for 6 years? Well, not"}, {"start": "02:06:55", "end": "02:06:59", "text": "exactly, the captain said. We're still"}, {"start": "02:06:57", "end": "02:07:03", "text": "trying to figure out the basics, like uh"}, {"start": "02:06:59", "end": "02:07:04", "text": "how to turn it off. What said Masters?"}, {"start": "02:07:03", "end": "02:07:06", "text": "You mean that humming sound is coming"}, {"start": "02:07:04", "end": "02:07:08", "text": "from that thing? Thought that you guys"}, {"start": "02:07:06", "end": "02:07:11", "text": "didn't know how to run it. We don't,"}, {"start": "02:07:08", "end": "02:07:12", "text": "said the captain a little sheepishly."}, {"start": "02:07:11", "end": "02:07:14", "text": "One of our researchers just got a little"}, {"start": "02:07:12", "end": "02:07:17", "text": "frustrated at having an intact craft"}, {"start": "02:07:14", "end": "02:07:19", "text": "without being able to turn anything on"}, {"start": "02:07:17", "end": "02:07:21", "text": "after years of tests and experiments."}, {"start": "02:07:19", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "So, he just abandoned the protocol one"}, {"start": "02:07:21", "end": "02:07:26", "text": "day and started punching touchcreens and"}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:29", "text": "proximity switches on the thing without"}, {"start": "02:07:26", "end": "02:07:31", "text": "even taking notes. And suddenly, it"}, {"start": "02:07:29", "end": "02:07:33", "text": "sprang to life. The instruments came on,"}, {"start": "02:07:31", "end": "02:07:36", "text": "the thing started making that humming"}, {"start": "02:07:33", "end": "02:07:40", "text": "sound, and it obviously was and is ready"}, {"start": "02:07:36", "end": "02:07:42", "text": "for action. So, what's the problem? Just"}, {"start": "02:07:40", "end": "02:07:43", "text": "have the guy reverse his steps, and the"}, {"start": "02:07:42", "end": "02:07:46", "text": "thing should shut off, right? Asked"}, {"start": "02:07:43", "end": "02:07:48", "text": "masters. Yeah. Captain said, that might"}, {"start": "02:07:46", "end": "02:07:49", "text": "work, but the guy who got it going was"}, {"start": "02:07:48", "end": "02:07:52", "text": "so surprised when it powered up that he"}, {"start": "02:07:49", "end": "02:07:54", "text": "forgot the sequence of what he did. We"}, {"start": "02:07:52", "end": "02:07:56", "text": "can't duplicate it, and even if we"}, {"start": "02:07:54", "end": "02:07:57", "text": "could, we have no assurance that"}, {"start": "02:07:56", "end": "02:08:00", "text": "reversing the command steps would"}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:08:02", "text": "reverse the current result. They may not"}, {"start": "02:08:00", "end": "02:08:05", "text": "think as we do and may not wire things"}, {"start": "02:08:02", "end": "02:08:07", "text": "the same way. Has anybody tried to"}, {"start": "02:08:05", "end": "02:08:10", "text": "switch anything differently since the"}, {"start": "02:08:07", "end": "02:08:13", "text": "thing fired up? Uh, no. Look around you,"}, {"start": "02:08:10", "end": "02:08:15", "text": "Mr. Masters. We are in a building."}, {"start": "02:08:13", "end": "02:08:17", "text": "Suppose one of the geniuses punches the"}, {"start": "02:08:15", "end": "02:08:21", "text": "wrong button and this thing decides to"}, {"start": "02:08:17", "end": "02:08:24", "text": "go transluminal right through the wall."}, {"start": "02:08:21", "end": "02:08:27", "text": "What if it runs out of fuel? Masters"}, {"start": "02:08:24", "end": "02:08:29", "text": "asked. Again, we don't know. It's been"}, {"start": "02:08:27", "end": "02:08:32", "text": "humming for over a year and a half"}, {"start": "02:08:29", "end": "02:08:34", "text": "without running down so far. Since we"}, {"start": "02:08:32", "end": "02:08:36", "text": "don't know how they generate the power"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:38", "text": "for it in the first place, it is"}, {"start": "02:08:36", "end": "02:08:41", "text": "difficult to determine what to throw at"}, {"start": "02:08:38", "end": "02:08:43", "text": "the problem. But we're working on it and"}, {"start": "02:08:41", "end": "02:08:45", "text": "we'll solve it someday."}, {"start": "02:08:43", "end": "02:08:47", "text": "Has everything that you recovered been"}, {"start": "02:08:45", "end": "02:08:50", "text": "along the lines of the scooter? Masters"}, {"start": "02:08:47", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "asked his curiosity peaked. Not at all."}, {"start": "02:08:50", "end": "02:08:54", "text": "Let's go back to the jeep and I'll show"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:56", "text": "you another one. Um, we are supposed to"}, {"start": "02:08:54", "end": "02:08:58", "text": "show you in connection with your next"}, {"start": "02:08:56", "end": "02:09:00", "text": "assignment."}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:04", "text": "Masters took one last look at the"}, {"start": "02:09:00", "end": "02:09:07", "text": "scooter with its live otherworldly lines"}, {"start": "02:09:04", "end": "02:09:09", "text": "and walked out to the jeep."}, {"start": "02:09:07", "end": "02:09:12", "text": "The AP drove them to a different hanger"}, {"start": "02:09:09", "end": "02:09:14", "text": "further down the flight line."}, {"start": "02:09:12", "end": "02:09:16", "text": "This one was also guarded, although it"}, {"start": "02:09:14", "end": "02:09:18", "text": "now occurred to masters that none of"}, {"start": "02:09:16", "end": "02:09:20", "text": "these hangers were as heavily guarded as"}, {"start": "02:09:18", "end": "02:09:22", "text": "he would have expected under the"}, {"start": "02:09:20", "end": "02:09:23", "text": "circumstances."}, {"start": "02:09:22", "end": "02:09:25", "text": "He mentioned this to the captain who"}, {"start": "02:09:23", "end": "02:09:27", "text": "replied, \"We're just taking a page out"}, {"start": "02:09:25", "end": "02:09:29", "text": "of your book, Mr. Masters. If you want"}, {"start": "02:09:27", "end": "02:09:31", "text": "to protect something really well, you"}, {"start": "02:09:29", "end": "02:09:33", "text": "don't telegraph it to the world where it"}, {"start": "02:09:31", "end": "02:09:36", "text": "is by placing a heavy security force"}, {"start": "02:09:33", "end": "02:09:37", "text": "around it.\" Besides, there are people"}, {"start": "02:09:36", "end": "02:09:40", "text": "right on this base who are way too"}, {"start": "02:09:37", "end": "02:09:43", "text": "curious about what goes on here. The"}, {"start": "02:09:40", "end": "02:09:45", "text": "best disguise is no disguise at all. Not"}, {"start": "02:09:43", "end": "02:09:49", "text": "sure I agree with that, but I understand"}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:49", "text": "the sentiment."}, {"start": "02:09:50", "end": "02:09:54", "text": "Once again, they exchanged their"}, {"start": "02:09:52", "end": "02:09:56", "text": "security badges inside for special"}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:09:59", "text": "Zodiac clearance badges. Masters was"}, {"start": "02:09:56", "end": "02:10:02", "text": "then escorted into a large enclosure of"}, {"start": "02:09:59", "end": "02:10:05", "text": "the hangar. He involuntarily inhaled and"}, {"start": "02:10:02", "end": "02:10:08", "text": "held his breath at what he saw, a large"}, {"start": "02:10:05", "end": "02:10:12", "text": "ovoid disc, which had to be over 50 ft"}, {"start": "02:10:08", "end": "02:10:14", "text": "wide and 23 feet tall at the widest"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:16", "text": "point. It looked like one of those"}, {"start": "02:10:14", "end": "02:10:17", "text": "opaque glass ornaments his parents used"}, {"start": "02:10:16", "end": "02:10:19", "text": "to hang on the Christmas tree when they"}, {"start": "02:10:17", "end": "02:10:21", "text": "were when he was a kid. There were"}, {"start": "02:10:19", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "service scaffoldings and ramps all"}, {"start": "02:10:21", "end": "02:10:26", "text": "around it with about 55 people working"}, {"start": "02:10:24", "end": "02:10:30", "text": "on it and cables and hoses snaking away"}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:33", "text": "from the craft. Uh, ours are theirs,"}, {"start": "02:10:30", "end": "02:10:36", "text": "masters asked. Theirs, if you mean the"}, {"start": "02:10:33", "end": "02:10:38", "text": "aliens, the captain said. Masters said"}, {"start": "02:10:36", "end": "02:10:40", "text": "nothing, but kept walking slowly up to"}, {"start": "02:10:38", "end": "02:10:43", "text": "the craft, keeping an eye on it to be"}, {"start": "02:10:40", "end": "02:10:45", "text": "sure that it was not a dream, that it"}, {"start": "02:10:43", "end": "02:10:48", "text": "would not just fly away despite the"}, {"start": "02:10:45", "end": "02:10:49", "text": "closed hanger doors."}, {"start": "02:10:48", "end": "02:10:53", "text": "One look at the thing, and it seemed"}, {"start": "02:10:49", "end": "02:10:54", "text": "clear that his question was rhetorical."}, {"start": "02:10:53", "end": "02:10:57", "text": "He felt that he knew from its very"}, {"start": "02:10:54", "end": "02:10:59", "text": "appearance. Even as glimpsed through the"}, {"start": "02:10:57", "end": "02:11:02", "text": "scaffolding, no human had ever designed"}, {"start": "02:10:59", "end": "02:11:05", "text": "this vehicle. There was just something"}, {"start": "02:11:02", "end": "02:11:07", "text": "about the proportions, the angles, the"}, {"start": "02:11:05", "end": "02:11:11", "text": "material, the whole thinking that had"}, {"start": "02:11:07", "end": "02:11:13", "text": "gone into it which was not familiar, not"}, {"start": "02:11:11", "end": "02:11:15", "text": "human."}, {"start": "02:11:13", "end": "02:11:17", "text": "Masters walked up to it very slowly,"}, {"start": "02:11:15", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "craning his neck up to follow the upward"}, {"start": "02:11:17", "end": "02:11:23", "text": "curvature of the ship's hull. May I"}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:25", "text": "touch it? he asked. \"Sure,\" said the"}, {"start": "02:11:23", "end": "02:11:27", "text": "captain. This one was recovered a few"}, {"start": "02:11:25", "end": "02:11:29", "text": "years ago off the coast of Denmark,"}, {"start": "02:11:27", "end": "02:11:32", "text": "where it had sunk in relatively shallow"}, {"start": "02:11:29", "end": "02:11:34", "text": "water. The Danish government cooperated"}, {"start": "02:11:32", "end": "02:11:36", "text": "with us in retrieving the thing and"}, {"start": "02:11:34", "end": "02:11:38", "text": "getting it out of the country without a"}, {"start": "02:11:36", "end": "02:11:40", "text": "big to-do."}, {"start": "02:11:38", "end": "02:11:42", "text": "Getting it into the base was a bit of a"}, {"start": "02:11:40", "end": "02:11:44", "text": "nightmare. We had to truck it through"}, {"start": "02:11:42", "end": "02:11:46", "text": "the city on a low boy in the dead of"}, {"start": "02:11:44", "end": "02:11:48", "text": "night, covered with a tarp and flanked"}, {"start": "02:11:46", "end": "02:11:51", "text": "by plenty of security. It was pretty"}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:53", "text": "tense, I could tell you."}, {"start": "02:11:51", "end": "02:11:55", "text": "While the captain prattled on about the"}, {"start": "02:11:53", "end": "02:11:56", "text": "difficulty of housing the ship and the"}, {"start": "02:11:55", "end": "02:11:59", "text": "problems they were having trying to"}, {"start": "02:11:56", "end": "02:12:01", "text": "decipher its complex systems, masters"}, {"start": "02:11:59", "end": "02:12:05", "text": "extended his hand toward the ship's"}, {"start": "02:12:01", "end": "02:12:08", "text": "hull. He touched it. It was cool and"}, {"start": "02:12:05", "end": "02:12:10", "text": "smooth to the touch like a piece of fine"}, {"start": "02:12:08", "end": "02:12:12", "text": "sculpture or porcelain."}, {"start": "02:12:10", "end": "02:12:15", "text": "As the captain spoke, Masters ran his"}, {"start": "02:12:12", "end": "02:12:17", "text": "fingertips up and down the hall,"}, {"start": "02:12:15", "end": "02:12:21", "text": "gradually placing his whole palm on the"}, {"start": "02:12:17", "end": "02:12:23", "text": "surface, rubbing it back and forth."}, {"start": "02:12:21", "end": "02:12:26", "text": "as if he were wiping down a horse after"}, {"start": "02:12:23", "end": "02:12:29", "text": "a hard ride."}, {"start": "02:12:26", "end": "02:12:31", "text": "\"May we go inside?\" Masters asked. The"}, {"start": "02:12:29", "end": "02:12:33", "text": "captain was shot a look by a general who"}, {"start": "02:12:31", "end": "02:12:36", "text": "had just approached with an earshot as"}, {"start": "02:12:33", "end": "02:12:38", "text": "this question was asked. \"Not today,"}, {"start": "02:12:36", "end": "02:12:40", "text": "sir. We are performing some tests"}, {"start": "02:12:38", "end": "02:12:43", "text": "utilizing super coolant. It's not a very"}, {"start": "02:12:40", "end": "02:12:45", "text": "healthy place to be right now.\""}, {"start": "02:12:43", "end": "02:12:47", "text": "\"Mr. Masters,\" the general smiled,"}, {"start": "02:12:45", "end": "02:12:50", "text": "extending his hand and shaking It is a"}, {"start": "02:12:47", "end": "02:12:52", "text": "pleasure to meet with you."}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:54", "text": "Introductions were made all around. I'm"}, {"start": "02:12:52", "end": "02:12:56", "text": "sorry that we cannot accommodate you on"}, {"start": "02:12:54", "end": "02:12:59", "text": "going inside the spacecraft, but I'm"}, {"start": "02:12:56", "end": "02:13:01", "text": "sure that you find even the outside very"}, {"start": "02:12:59", "end": "02:13:02", "text": "impressive."}, {"start": "02:13:01", "end": "02:13:04", "text": "That would be putting it mildly,"}, {"start": "02:13:02", "end": "02:13:06", "text": "General, replied masters. Well, maybe"}, {"start": "02:13:04", "end": "02:13:08", "text": "next time when you visit us again, the"}, {"start": "02:13:06", "end": "02:13:11", "text": "general said, \"Why don't you and the"}, {"start": "02:13:08", "end": "02:13:13", "text": "captain join me over at the Oak Club for"}, {"start": "02:13:11", "end": "02:13:16", "text": "a drink? I was just heading there"}, {"start": "02:13:13", "end": "02:13:18", "text": "myself."}, {"start": "02:13:16", "end": "02:13:20", "text": "General, I'd really like to get a look"}, {"start": "02:13:18", "end": "02:13:22", "text": "inside the ship before I report to"}, {"start": "02:13:20", "end": "02:13:24", "text": "Washington. And I masters hesitated on"}, {"start": "02:13:22", "end": "02:13:26", "text": "account of the look he received from the"}, {"start": "02:13:24", "end": "02:13:27", "text": "captain. Masters knew it was poor"}, {"start": "02:13:26", "end": "02:13:30", "text": "etiquette to refuse the general's"}, {"start": "02:13:27", "end": "02:13:32", "text": "invitation. The general cut him off. Oh,"}, {"start": "02:13:30", "end": "02:13:35", "text": "you'll get your chance to see it, but"}, {"start": "02:13:32", "end": "02:13:38", "text": "not right now. As a captain explained to"}, {"start": "02:13:35", "end": "02:13:39", "text": "you, \"Let's take my car and you can tell"}, {"start": "02:13:38", "end": "02:13:41", "text": "us what you found out about these damn"}, {"start": "02:13:39", "end": "02:13:44", "text": "red balls that are cropping up all over"}, {"start": "02:13:41", "end": "02:13:45", "text": "the place.\" The captain mentioned to me"}, {"start": "02:13:44", "end": "02:13:47", "text": "that you were looking into it out in"}, {"start": "02:13:45", "end": "02:13:48", "text": "California."}, {"start": "02:13:47", "end": "02:13:51", "text": "As he was speaking, the general"}, {"start": "02:13:48", "end": "02:13:54", "text": "shephered Masters, the captain, and"}, {"start": "02:13:51", "end": "02:13:56", "text": "everyone else with an earshot toward a"}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:13:58", "text": "side door of the hanger where his car"}, {"start": "02:13:56", "end": "02:14:01", "text": "and driver were waiting. It was clear to"}, {"start": "02:13:58", "end": "02:14:04", "text": "Masters that this general was not used"}, {"start": "02:14:01", "end": "02:14:06", "text": "to taking no for an answer. With"}, {"start": "02:14:04", "end": "02:14:09", "text": "resignation, he exited the hangar after"}, {"start": "02:14:06", "end": "02:14:11", "text": "one last look at the saucer."}, {"start": "02:14:09", "end": "02:14:14", "text": "Back at Fort Belvoir, Masters had just"}, {"start": "02:14:11", "end": "02:14:16", "text": "finished his report to the colonel."}, {"start": "02:14:14", "end": "02:14:19", "text": "\"Well, so much for hypnosis,\" the"}, {"start": "02:14:16", "end": "02:14:22", "text": "colonel observed. \"Not necessarily,"}, {"start": "02:14:19", "end": "02:14:24", "text": "sir,\" Master said."}, {"start": "02:14:22", "end": "02:14:26", "text": "\"We really need to try harder and longer"}, {"start": "02:14:24", "end": "02:14:28", "text": "on this thing. Also, use drugs on the"}, {"start": "02:14:26", "end": "02:14:31", "text": "tougher cases."}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:33", "text": "He really really wants to drug these"}, {"start": "02:14:31", "end": "02:14:36", "text": "people. This guy's a bit of a shaman."}, {"start": "02:14:33", "end": "02:14:38", "text": "Um, the colonel's face showed some"}, {"start": "02:14:36", "end": "02:14:40", "text": "irritation with master's tenacity,"}, {"start": "02:14:38", "end": "02:14:42", "text": "although he'd come to expect it by now."}, {"start": "02:14:40", "end": "02:14:43", "text": "SGE,"}, {"start": "02:14:42", "end": "02:14:45", "text": "we're going to have to put your screen"}, {"start": "02:14:43", "end": "02:14:47", "text": "memory hobby on hold for the time being."}, {"start": "02:14:45", "end": "02:14:48", "text": "I want you to report to the office of"}, {"start": "02:14:47", "end": "02:14:51", "text": "the Admiral Keading this afternoon."}, {"start": "02:14:48", "end": "02:14:54", "text": "Keading's people stumbled on something"}, {"start": "02:14:51", "end": "02:14:56", "text": "up in the Arctic Ocean. I want you to be"}, {"start": "02:14:54", "end": "02:14:58", "text": "on the debriefing. You'll be going to"}, {"start": "02:14:56", "end": "02:15:00", "text": "Connecticut, so you better pack some"}, {"start": "02:14:58", "end": "02:15:04", "text": "warm clothes. May I ask what this trip"}, {"start": "02:15:00", "end": "02:15:06", "text": "is about, sir? Sure, you can ask. For"}, {"start": "02:15:04", "end": "02:15:07", "text": "now, let's just say that it relates to"}, {"start": "02:15:06", "end": "02:15:10", "text": "what those young fellas in California"}, {"start": "02:15:07", "end": "02:15:13", "text": "told you about the USO"}, {"start": "02:15:10", "end": "02:15:15", "text": "off of Palos Veres and that large craft"}, {"start": "02:15:13", "end": "02:15:16", "text": "we pulled out of the waters coast of"}, {"start": "02:15:15", "end": "02:15:18", "text": "Denmark."}, {"start": "02:15:16", "end": "02:15:20", "text": "But it will be Admiral Keading who gives"}, {"start": "02:15:18", "end": "02:15:22", "text": "you the briefing. Meet with him and no"}, {"start": "02:15:20", "end": "02:15:24", "text": "one else when you get to the Puzzle"}, {"start": "02:15:22", "end": "02:15:27", "text": "Palace and report to me personally when"}, {"start": "02:15:24", "end": "02:15:29", "text": "you get back from Connecticut. His"}, {"start": "02:15:27", "end": "02:15:32", "text": "masters drove to Fairfax to pack for his"}, {"start": "02:15:29", "end": "02:15:36", "text": "next assignment. He wondered"}, {"start": "02:15:32", "end": "02:15:40", "text": "where this was all going. After all, he"}, {"start": "02:15:36", "end": "02:15:42", "text": "had never actually seen a UFO in flight,"}, {"start": "02:15:40", "end": "02:15:44", "text": "never seen an alien, never received any"}, {"start": "02:15:42", "end": "02:15:46", "text": "objective confirmation of their"}, {"start": "02:15:44", "end": "02:15:48", "text": "existence."}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:50", "text": "While the ships he'd been allowed to see"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:52", "text": "were initially impressive, now that he"}, {"start": "02:15:50", "end": "02:15:54", "text": "was more distant from the event, he was"}, {"start": "02:15:52", "end": "02:15:56", "text": "confident that George Lucas or Steven"}, {"start": "02:15:54", "end": "02:15:59", "text": "Spielberg's propenmen could do as well."}, {"start": "02:15:56", "end": "02:16:01", "text": "He shook his head at what he had gotten"}, {"start": "02:15:59", "end": "02:16:04", "text": "himself into and drove down the highway"}, {"start": "02:16:01", "end": "02:16:07", "text": "to prepare for his next excursion into"}, {"start": "02:16:04", "end": "02:16:10", "text": "the wilderness of mirrors that his work"}, {"start": "02:16:07", "end": "02:16:13", "text": "had become."}, {"start": "02:16:10", "end": "02:16:16", "text": "And that is the end of the third"}, {"start": "02:16:13", "end": "02:16:20", "text": "installation of said masters said"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:24", "text": "masters adventures."}, {"start": "02:16:20", "end": "02:16:26", "text": "I would be the first person to help make"}, {"start": "02:16:24", "end": "02:16:30", "text": "this into a Hollywood movie. I think"}, {"start": "02:16:26", "end": "02:16:33", "text": "this is such a fantastic script."}, {"start": "02:16:30", "end": "02:16:36", "text": "I'm eager to know where this goes, but"}, {"start": "02:16:33", "end": "02:16:40", "text": "unfortunately the story ends there and"}, {"start": "02:16:36", "end": "02:16:41", "text": "the trail goes somewhat cold."}, {"start": "02:16:40", "end": "02:16:44", "text": "Now, I mentioned at the top of this"}, {"start": "02:16:41", "end": "02:16:46", "text": "episode Jeffrey Griffith, attorney at"}, {"start": "02:16:44", "end": "02:16:50", "text": "law, corporate attorney who had worked"}, {"start": "02:16:46", "end": "02:16:54", "text": "for these aeronautical sort of military"}, {"start": "02:16:50", "end": "02:17:01", "text": "installations or contractors previously,"}, {"start": "02:16:54", "end": "02:17:02", "text": "um had been pinpointed as Greg Halifax"}, {"start": "02:17:01", "end": "02:17:04", "text": "and that"}, {"start": "02:17:02", "end": "02:17:07", "text": "Mary Elizabeth Elliott, who was also"}, {"start": "02:17:04", "end": "02:17:08", "text": "mentioned in the Wilson Davis memos,"}, {"start": "02:17:07", "end": "02:17:10", "text": "which I think we'll eventually cover"}, {"start": "02:17:08", "end": "02:17:13", "text": "here as well,"}, {"start": "02:17:10", "end": "02:17:17", "text": "um you know, Rear Admiral uh Wilson met"}, {"start": "02:17:13", "end": "02:17:20", "text": "with uh Eric Davis uh who was then part"}, {"start": "02:17:17", "end": "02:17:25", "text": "of I I believe at OSAP or NIDS or all"}, {"start": "02:17:20", "end": "02:17:27", "text": "three uh basically this super group of"}, {"start": "02:17:25", "end": "02:17:29", "text": "scientists studying the phenomenon even"}, {"start": "02:17:27", "end": "02:17:32", "text": "how put off was a part of this group and"}, {"start": "02:17:29", "end": "02:17:34", "text": "how was the one who expressed his"}, {"start": "02:17:32", "end": "02:17:38", "text": "interest"}, {"start": "02:17:34", "end": "02:17:40", "text": "in this particular case via email. So on"}, {"start": "02:17:38", "end": "02:17:42", "text": "an email thread, Hal is seen asking the"}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:45", "text": "question, \"Hey, what do we think about"}, {"start": "02:17:42", "end": "02:17:51", "text": "Zodiac and this SGE Masters character?\""}, {"start": "02:17:45", "end": "02:17:53", "text": "Um, obviously this reads as fiction, but"}, {"start": "02:17:51", "end": "02:17:56", "text": "makes I mean it makes for a really"}, {"start": "02:17:53", "end": "02:17:58", "text": "compelling story."}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:00", "text": "It connects a lot of dots. even where"}, {"start": "02:17:58", "end": "02:18:03", "text": "he's off to in the Arctic, something"}, {"start": "02:18:00", "end": "02:18:06", "text": "moving in the ocean, a USO. You know,"}, {"start": "02:18:03", "end": "02:18:08", "text": "we've read through the 4chan"}, {"start": "02:18:06", "end": "02:18:10", "text": "whistleblowers account of observing"}, {"start": "02:18:08", "end": "02:18:12", "text": "something similar, but this sort of"}, {"start": "02:18:10", "end": "02:18:15", "text": "large mobile construction unit in the"}, {"start": "02:18:12", "end": "02:18:17", "text": "Atlantic in the Bahamas. They even talk"}, {"start": "02:18:15", "end": "02:18:18", "text": "about the Catalinas having, you know,"}, {"start": "02:18:17", "end": "02:18:20", "text": "USOs. And there's some really"}, {"start": "02:18:18", "end": "02:18:24", "text": "interesting connections to be made in"}, {"start": "02:18:20", "end": "02:18:28", "text": "here. But also it begs the question,"}, {"start": "02:18:24", "end": "02:18:31", "text": "are all modern UFO"}, {"start": "02:18:28", "end": "02:18:37", "text": "lore pieces and LARs"}, {"start": "02:18:31", "end": "02:18:41", "text": "just a product of these three articles?"}, {"start": "02:18:37", "end": "02:18:46", "text": "Is everything derived from this? Is this"}, {"start": "02:18:41", "end": "02:18:48", "text": "somehow the CIA or these agencies way"}, {"start": "02:18:46", "end": "02:18:51", "text": "of infiltrating"}, {"start": "02:18:48", "end": "02:18:53", "text": "the UFO community"}, {"start": "02:18:51", "end": "02:18:57", "text": "and disseminating false information so"}, {"start": "02:18:53", "end": "02:19:01", "text": "that we take it and run with it?"}, {"start": "02:18:57", "end": "02:19:04", "text": "Are we SGE masters"}, {"start": "02:19:01", "end": "02:19:07", "text": "in this particular case? After being"}, {"start": "02:19:04", "end": "02:19:08", "text": "shown pictures and and testimony from"}, {"start": "02:19:07", "end": "02:19:13", "text": "congressional hearings and all this"}, {"start": "02:19:08", "end": "02:19:16", "text": "stuff, we've not seen the bodies."}, {"start": "02:19:13", "end": "02:19:21", "text": "We've not seen the craft flying."}, {"start": "02:19:16", "end": "02:19:24", "text": "Is this some grand scop scheme?"}, {"start": "02:19:21", "end": "02:19:27", "text": "Or is this truth? Or is it fiction? Who"}, {"start": "02:19:24", "end": "02:19:29", "text": "knows? My conviction level"}, {"start": "02:19:27", "end": "02:19:32", "text": "isn't"}, {"start": "02:19:29", "end": "02:19:36", "text": "that much higher. I would say still 15"}, {"start": "02:19:32", "end": "02:19:40", "text": "or 20% maybe. Um, but I'm willing to"}, {"start": "02:19:36", "end": "02:19:42", "text": "have it grow and fluctuate upwards."}, {"start": "02:19:40", "end": "02:19:46", "text": "Uh, it does make a lot of connections,"}, {"start": "02:19:42", "end": "02:19:49", "text": "but it also predates a lot of the later,"}, {"start": "02:19:46", "end": "02:19:51", "text": "you know, it comes after Psalm 1, uh,"}, {"start": "02:19:49", "end": "02:19:53", "text": "the whole Majestic 12, Stanton Friedman"}, {"start": "02:19:51", "end": "02:19:56", "text": "release."}, {"start": "02:19:53", "end": "02:19:59", "text": "Um, but it comes before a lot of the"}, {"start": "02:19:56", "end": "02:20:01", "text": "modern LARs on Reddit, 4chan, etc. So, I"}, {"start": "02:19:59", "end": "02:20:03", "text": "don't know. It's just interesting to me."}, {"start": "02:20:01", "end": "02:20:04", "text": "I'd be really curious to hear your"}, {"start": "02:20:03", "end": "02:20:07", "text": "thoughts as well. This was a lengthy"}, {"start": "02:20:04", "end": "02:20:08", "text": "one. This was a very long read through,"}, {"start": "02:20:07", "end": "02:20:10", "text": "the longest we read through we've ever"}, {"start": "02:20:08", "end": "02:20:15", "text": "done on one episode. I hope you guys"}, {"start": "02:20:10", "end": "02:20:18", "text": "enjoy it. I am gearing up to potentially"}, {"start": "02:20:15", "end": "02:20:20", "text": "read through a book very soon. And I"}, {"start": "02:20:18", "end": "02:20:24", "text": "want to tackle a book with the audience"}, {"start": "02:20:20", "end": "02:20:26", "text": "entirely. that is a tentative"}, {"start": "02:20:24", "end": "02:20:28", "text": "uh project that I would like to do. I"}, {"start": "02:20:26", "end": "02:20:30", "text": "think that that would be very fun and"}, {"start": "02:20:28", "end": "02:20:33", "text": "perhaps we could all sort of read it"}, {"start": "02:20:30", "end": "02:20:36", "text": "together in one giant internet"}, {"start": "02:20:33", "end": "02:20:37", "text": "collective book club. Uh let me know if"}, {"start": "02:20:36", "end": "02:20:39", "text": "you think that that's something you'd"}, {"start": "02:20:37", "end": "02:20:42", "text": "want to partake in or even just sit back"}, {"start": "02:20:39", "end": "02:20:44", "text": "and listen to me uh read out loud. Um"}, {"start": "02:20:42", "end": "02:20:46", "text": "I'd be curious to know your thoughts."}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:47", "text": "Folks, thank you so much for joining me"}, {"start": "02:20:46", "end": "02:20:49", "text": "today. Don't forget to check out"}, {"start": "02:20:47", "end": "02:20:53", "text": "Area52.shop. 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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "But he said one thing that floored me,"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "man."}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "To the pits of my stomach. He said, \"But"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "I remember your glove on a shiny floor.\""}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "Three, four of them."}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": ">> Mario, let's let's back off again."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": ">> I answered all of his questions. And it"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "was very difficult because I had like a"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "lot closer reaction or proximity"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "to what was on the right side of our"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "vehicle to these to these beings on the"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "right side of the vehicle. I mean I"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "literally"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "lose my heartbeat but um"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> Okay. So he was in control. So how tall"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "was the tall one?"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> 6."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "He's different"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "than the little guys didn't bother me"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "like he did."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> When I realized what I was looking at is"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "when I really just went"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "some of those visions are are are"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "almost indescribable."}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Really large craft craft."}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "And when you realize was that"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "realization, oh my god, aliens. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Afraid to leave the vehicle. I should"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "have just stepped down."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:28", "text": ">> What happened that night on November 5"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "was up close and absolute personal."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "And uh no matter"}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "whether they ever hear me or not, I live"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "with that."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "Whenever I was 13, I woke up in my"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "bedroom because my light turned on and I"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "just flicked right on. I was the only"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "one in the house besides my mom who was"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "in bedroom down the hall and she was"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "asleep, positive. I could hear her"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "snoring. And then after my light turned"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "on, my door started opening by itself, I"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "thought. But actually then I saw a hand"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "on the door. It had, you know, long"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "fingers, very thin hand, and I thought I"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "was having a nightmare. But then I was,"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "you know, like pinching myself and, you"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "know, slapping myself and I realized I"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "am not asleep. And I saw how thin its"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "arm was and I got freaked out. I was"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "like shocked. I was very scared. Um, I"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "was on my futon. I tried to stand up. It"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "was really hard to do. But whenever I"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "stood up like it felt like I was pushing"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "against like a force that was trying to"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "like hold me down. And then whenever I"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "saw its face and its body, it was about"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "my height and I was about 5' n. is"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "skinny gray, you know, big head, almond"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "eyes, slit mouth, two little holes on"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "the nose, and yeah, he started coming"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "toward me. And I remember thinking, I'm"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "going to hit him right in the head. And"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "as soon as I started thinking that, I"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "heard in my head, \"No, you won't.\" And"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "it started walking toward me very"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "slowly. And the closer it got, the more"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "I couldn't like move. I actually had a"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "fist and I was pulling it up in the air"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "trying to come at him. And then I"}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "thought, I'm going to hit him and then"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "I'm going to elbow him. And he said,"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "\"No, you're not.\" And it got really"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "close and it tapped me on the forehead"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "very slowly and as soon as he did I felt"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "electrocuted"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "like I was vibrating like crazy and then"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "everything went black."}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:18", "text": ">> This is such a great set."}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> It's a trip, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": ">> Yeah, it is."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> Would you when you got here? I'm sorry."}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "I'm going to shut my phone off here."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Yeah, mine's in there. I don't have it"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "with me. I don't want it in here with"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "me."}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "boom. Done."}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "No more disturbances."}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": ">> It'll have to wait. If the world burns,"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "it'll just have to burn."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": ">> Let it burn."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Do you doodle a lot?"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> Uh, sometimes. Yeah. I I It's It's more"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "more like um you know, like"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "Mayan figurines and stuff. Oh, yeah. You"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "know, it just something I do."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Did you do that before?"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, before it happened before."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Before 70 What? 77?"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> No, I really didn't."}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": ">> Sometimes I'll just do a whole page."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "Really? Yeah. I'll just do a whole page"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "and and it doesn't really make any sense"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "to anybody. Doesn't even make sense to"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "me. I just"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> have to put these designs in, you know,"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:19", "text": ">> just cathartic."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Just following stuff. Give me a"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "sec, Maria. I forgot my notes. I'm going"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "to grab those."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "find myself doodling sometimes as well."}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:39", "text": ">> Oh yeah. Got to you, man. Got to."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": ">> It's fun. There's a tactile sort of"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "compulsion sometimes that you got to"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": ">> I do it while I'm editing and I'm"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "waiting for something to render. I'll"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "just mindlessly doodle."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": ">> All right. You ready to get started?"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": ">> Yeah. I guess when I think about it, I"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "don't do as well as I do, but I don't"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "think about it. So, I'll just leave that"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "over right now."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": ">> You can leave wherever you want. You can"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "doodle. We can spend this whole time"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "doodling."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> Um, ladies and gentlemen, today I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "joined by former USAF uh security"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "responder. Uh, your position exactly was"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "a security was police, right?"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:15", "text": ">> Yeah, security police."}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:17", "text": ">> Security police. Uh, folks, this is"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "Mario Woods. Now, he's been featured on"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "multiple podcasts. His story's been"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "talked about. It's an incredible,"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "incredible story about not only his"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "encounter,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "one of the most incredible encounters"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "I've ever come across um at Ellsworth"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "Air Force Base in 1977."}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": ">> Correct."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:44", "text": ">> And uh it's I mean for so many reasons,"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "Mario, you're just you're a wealth of"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "knowledge. You're someone with the"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "sharpest memory and recall that I've"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "ever spoken to. We spent some time at"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "dinner last night."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> And you're rattling off dates and"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "numbers. Like I have I've got a notepad"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "here just to make sure that I say the"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "right thing. But your memory is"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "incredible. And we're going to get into"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "that because there's also a whole sort"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "of um rigorous discipline around someone"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "working around these sensitive nuclear"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "sites that you have to abide by the uh"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "the personal reliability program"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": ">> PRP which is you know a whole thing that"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "u folks like yourself have to subject"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "themselves to in order to be mentally"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "stable enough"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> to work around these things which makes"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "you sir in my opinion one of the most"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "credible witnesses is to the UFO contact"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "phenomenon that I've ever had the honor"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "of speaking to. So, thank you for"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "joining me today."}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Thank you. It's an absolute honor to be"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "here. I love your set. I just can't"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "believe the work you've done and it all"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "means such good things, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "really. We need to know and we need to"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "set up for these things just like what"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "you've done. I just it's incredible just"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "to see what you've done here."}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:58", "text": ">> I appreciate it"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> and having me."}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": ">> Thank you. Mark, you mind pulling your"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "chair in just a little bit? I just want"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "to get you close to the microphone. And"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "you got such a lovely voice."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> don't don't be shy. You got a if all"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "else fails, you got a disc jockey"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "somewhere within you in a previous life,"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "I think, or something."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": ">> You got a really good voice for uh"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": ">> for radio, unlike myself. I've got a"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "face for radio, but"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:23", "text": ">> you do have a voice."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, it comes naturally to you,"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "sir."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:31", "text": ">> So, I do want to get into obviously what"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "happened alongside is it um Michael"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "Johnson? Psycho Johnson. Correct."}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:39", "text": ">> On that event, that faithful night in"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "November, November 18th, 1977. But prior"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "to that, I want to take you back to your"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "childhood. And I want to start there. I"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "want to see if there's anything to glean"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "from, you know, your childhood. Do you"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "remember having vivid encounters or"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "strange dreams or just occurrences not"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "only with you but with your direct"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "family members as a child? What's"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "something that stands out?"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:09", "text": ">> Uh well 1961 uh my mother was taking me"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "to school at DQeen Elementary in Port"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "Arthur, Texas and my sister was in the"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "back seat. She was four. Uh I was six."}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "Uh I think just turned six. I think as"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "the school year starts, you know, like"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "in August, I turned 6 in September. And"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "anyway, as we approached the school uh"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "on DeQ Boulevard, which is still there"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "today, I've been back and looked at it"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "and just sat there in awe from what I"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "saw that morning. And"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "we were about the fifth car back in line"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "and as as to the drop off point, you"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "know, just a young kid, not thinking"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "anything, just doing my thing, going to"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "first grade. And uh all of a sudden, my"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "mother in the driver's seat, of course,"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "she goes, \"Look, Anthony, there's flying"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "saucers.\""}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "Just as we were talking, just plain as"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "day. And I went, \"Where?\" I remember him"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "saying that, \"Where?\" And I leaned"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "forward and I grabbed the the dashboard"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "cuz back then, you know, we didn't have"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "seat belts like there are today. And we"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "were in I think we're in an Impalis"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "station wagon."}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> Oh, plenty of playing room back there."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> Yeah. My sister's in the back seat and"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "uh behind my mom"}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "and she said right there, look, she"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "looked pointed to her left. So I leaned"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "over toward where she was and as I did,"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "I could see three craft and they were"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "only maybe 50 ft, 75 max in the air. And"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "they were directly over this church that"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "is now gone. And it had three steeples"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "over the, you know, below these craft."}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "And they were the most beautiful white"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "silver saucers with a dome on top and a"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "dome on bottom and a light going around"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "the center outermost rim of it."}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> Like a glass dome."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> No, no, no. Uh same color, white,"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "silver."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": ">> As the rest of the craft. The only color"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "difference was were these lights that"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "went around them. And they were all in"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "they were synchronous on all three"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "craft. And I was just like, \"Wow.\" I"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "mean, I don't even have words for what"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "we were seeing basically. And my mom,"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:11", "text": "she popped the door open. And when she"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "did, I went behind her and my sister,"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "she did say in the backseat, she goes,"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "\"Mom, I'm scared.\" My mother said,"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "quote, she goes, \"Don't worry, honey."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "They're not here to hurt you.\""}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:20", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:22", "text": ">> Plain as day. I'll never forget that"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "statement. My mother's been passed many"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "years and uh never forgotten that. And"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "so when she got out, I just went across"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "the seat right behind her and grabbed"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "her by the hand and my sister opened or"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "she opened my sister's door and she got"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "out and she grabbed my mom by the hand."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "But we were just one of many cuz"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "everybody were exiting their vehicles."}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "They were all in line and I don't know"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "exactly how many cars there were. I just"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "do know that we were about fourth or"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "fifth back in the line cuz I did I could"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "count then. And additionally, the school"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "was one of those buildings that was a"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "single school from elementary or"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "kindergarten all the way up through 12th"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "grade. So the upper classman, of course,"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "their school, their classes were upper"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "level. But as I looked on the"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "playground, which was which was blocked"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "off, it was a whole playground directly"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "across from DeQ Elementary was still"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "there. Uh they had monkey bars and all"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "that kind of stuff, but everybody met"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "there in the morning. It was just full"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "of kids"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "every eye and every hand and every"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "finger was pointing upward looking at"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "these things and you and from where I"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "was I was probably a hundred yards away"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "from see from where they were located"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "and the school was probably 70 yards. So"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "that difference you I'm just trying to"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "equate the distance because I have gone"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "back and looked at it and try to stand"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "right where our car was. I tried to"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "really put cuz those houses are all"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "still there. The sidewalks are all still"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "there. Everything was still there. So,"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "um there were people pointing out the"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "windows cuz there was no AC back that"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "time. And the windows were open, the"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "wooden frame windows, and people were"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "pointing out of them. And uh we just"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "stood there staring at them, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "45 seconds, minute, minute and a half."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "And then all of a sudden"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "they just boom, straight up out of"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "sight, clear blue sky. If there had been"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "clouds that have punched holes in them"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "cuz they were just gone and they were"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "gone in under a second."}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": ">> They didn't disappear. They moved."}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:24", "text": ">> They went straight up."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:25", "text": ">> Instantly."}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:28", "text": ">> Instantly."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:30", "text": ">> How fast would you"}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "How fast is the fastest thing we have"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "that can leave the atmosphere today? A"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "rock, you know, say our best rocket. It"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "takes what, a minute or something? Two"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "minutes. They were gone in seconds. They"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "were literally"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> out of our atmosphere in a second if"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:46", "text": ">> They were so fast. It was incredible."}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "And there was nothing as I know"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "aeronautics now. There was nothing like"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "a wind blast,"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> no rotor washer,"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": ">> anything like that. It was just and just"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "gone instantaneous just like loose."}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:01", "text": ">> Do you remember"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "a reaction to that? my reaction"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": ">> or like a general"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:05", "text": ">> it's like holy smoke. You know, as a"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "kid,"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": ">> do you hear people saying, \"Whoa, my"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "god.\" And like these type of things,"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:15", "text": ">> my mother did. But the strangest thing"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "about that whole incident and all those"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "people that saw it in school, nobody"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "said a word the entire day about the"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "whole thing. Any teachers? Nobody said a"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "word about it. Just went on like nothing"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "happened. It was like it was forgotten"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "about."}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:30", "text": ">> Why do you think that is?"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:33", "text": ">> I have no idea. Do you think it was the"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "technology or the being somehow or was"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "it just the time and the taboo"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:41", "text": ">> cuz you hear that a lot with people that"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "are just like, \"Yeah, we didn't talk"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "about it. It's just, you know, one"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "brought up.\""}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:50", "text": ">> It may be something that they can do"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "over a broad area below them, people"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "that are seeing them or something. And"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "what what that's for, I have no idea why"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "they would do that."}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": ">> But it it seemed it didn't cause a"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "calamity."}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": ">> People didn't run for their cars and,"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "you know, let's go get, you know,"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "whatever"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": ">> and and haul. Nobody left. Everybody"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "just went back to what they were doing."}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "Kids went back to playing"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": ">> on the playground. I went up, my mother,"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "I got back in the car, you know, my"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "sister did and we pulled up and she let"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "me out and she went on, you know, home"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": ">> and I went in school and, you know, and"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "nobody said anything about it the whole"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "whole day and and I've been back to Port"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "Arthur in the museum. There's a museum"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "there. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "it's right down there next to the port"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "and I was working for a shipping company"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "out of Norway then. So, that's how I"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "ended up going back there several times."}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "And uh Janice Joplain, she was a"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "renowned artist there. It was from that"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "area. I'm familiar of Janice Joplin."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> And her Volkswagens and there are her"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "Porsche really or Claring Gia I think is"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "what it is. It's inside that museum."}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:51", "text": ">> But I went through all these archives"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "and all these newspaper clippings and"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "all this back to that time in 1961 and I"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "couldn't find anything. And I have"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "searched and searched. I've sent out"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "search messages to people, you know,"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "that are that look for things, you know,"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "like Michael Johnson, you know, I've got"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "friends that are helping me search for"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "him still after all these years. But"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "there was nothing written that I ever"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "found."}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:12", "text": ">> Do you remember the month?"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:14", "text": ">> Uh, well, yeah. I'm pretty certain that"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "it was"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:16", "text": ">> like a"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:16", "text": ">> right after school started like in"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "August."}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:18", "text": ">> Okay. September. A August. September"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "around there."}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:21", "text": ">> Yeah. August and September."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": ">> Call to action for the audience"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "listening. Port Arthur 1961. August."}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "September. Do your thing, internet. You"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "know, maybe we can collectively find"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "something out here."}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:33", "text": ">> It's got to be written about because"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "that wasn't the only time that things"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "were seen there. have been told."}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:37", "text": ">> Usually there's always"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:39", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Um we had Preston Dennit here not"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "too long ago. He's a researcher as well."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:46", "text": ">> Lovely man. And he sent out um a"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "challenge to his audience and he goes,"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "\"I challenge you to name me the smallest"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "town that you can find on the map of the"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "United States and I will find a sighting"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "there.\" And he did. He's like batting a"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "hundred. No way."}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": ">> On the tiniest towns. Yeah. So you'd be"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "surprised."}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": ">> Wow. So, about your mother, that"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "comment,"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "I mean,"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:11", "text": ">> I'm not here to hurt you. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:13", "text": ">> In retrospect, what do you make of that?"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": ">> Well, she was from um Rocky Mountain,"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "North Carolina, and her and her sister"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "Esther, who's now passed. Um when they"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "were little girls, they saw, you know,"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "they were always in the woods. I mean,"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "they, you know, they had uh what, five"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "sisters and four brothers in the same"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "family. So, they were always out in the"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "fields. is not like today's teenagers"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "and kids, you know. Um they'd seen"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "things at night on the front porch of"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "their house and question them and they"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "and then and she said, you know, these"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "weren't they weren't aircraft. They"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "weren't airplanes, but they would just"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "be there and and and just vanish"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "literally just"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "just take off so fast that it was"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "indescribable."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:54", "text": ">> When your mother was a child,"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:57", "text": ">> when my mother was a child,"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:58", "text": ">> pre-940, pre-1930, so we're not talking"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "satellites here or anything. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Right."}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": ">> This episode's sponsored by Hexclad. 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Just"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:12", "text": "head to hexcloud.com/eria52."}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "Support our show and check them out at"}, {"start": "00:18:12", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "hex.com/eria52."}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "make sure to let them know that we sent"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": ">> And even when uh I remember you just"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "triggered a memory there when Sputnik"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "was launched, when Russia launched"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "Sputnik, we were out in our front yard"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "and on Janelle Street in Tampa, Florida,"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "509 Janelle Place. Never forget it. Love"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "that house. And uh we saw Sputnik going"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "over and then I think WTVT channel 13,"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "they said that you could see the"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "satellite pass overhead if you you know,"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:47", "text": "it's like 9 or 10:00 at night or"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "something. And so my mom let us stay up."}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "We could go outside and see it. And my"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "dad was there. And uh but he was a"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "merchant seam. He was usually at sea,"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "but he happened to be home this time."}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "And uh we stood out on the front porch."}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "You know, there's no ambient light back"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "then. I think there was a street light"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "at the way end of the corner, that kind"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "of thing. And that was it. My mom said"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "um something to the effect. She goes,"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "she sees it. She goes, \"Well,\" she goes,"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:14", "text": "\"that thing, it'll take a long time for"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "that to come back around.\" And she goes,"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "\"That's so slow compared to other things"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "that we've se that I've seen in the sky"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "at night.\""}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": ">> She said that?"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:29", "text": ">> Okay. So, there clearly Mario, there's"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:30", "text": "clearly a history"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:32", "text": ">> with your mother."}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": ">> It blow. But my dad's it was even"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "different. But cuz he was from Baka,"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:36", "text": "Honduras and"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:38", "text": ">> and being at sea."}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": ">> Yeah. He's been going to sea since he"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "was freaking 12 years old or something,"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "you know? I mean,"}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:47", "text": ">> one of those places where"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> if you see anything, you know,"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:50", "text": ">> it's not us, right? Like when you're in"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "the middle of the ocean or whatever."}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": ">> There's nothing flying, hovering in the"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "middle of the ocean, you need a battery,"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "you need a, you know, you're not getting"}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:19:59", "text": "anywhere"}, {"start": "00:19:57", "end": "00:20:01", "text": ">> or entering the ocean or coming out of"}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "the ocean and out of the atmosphere."}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:04", "text": ">> And he was never alone anytime he ever"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:07", "text": "told me about those things. And you"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "know, honestly, I really in d in my"}, {"start": "00:20:07", "end": "00:20:11", "text": "early teenage years, I never really paid"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:12", "text": "much attention to him, you know, talking"}, {"start": "00:20:11", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "about some of the things they would see"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:15", "text": "under sea and that kind of thing under"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:17", "text": "the water, you know, while he was on a"}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "trip. Cuz this one time he's gone like,"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:22", "text": "uh, he was gone a year, uh, really 13"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "months. And he would he would, you know,"}, {"start": "00:20:22", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "he would tell me about all these things"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "that, you know, they'd see in the sky"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:29", "text": "or, you know, under the water, these,"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "you know, great points of light, he"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "called them. He didn't say what they"}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "were. He never said there was an object"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:35", "text": "or a craft of any shape or design. He"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:37", "text": "said, \"But there are things that we"}, {"start": "00:20:35", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "don't know about and they've always been"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "here.\" And that's what that was his"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:43", "text": "wording exactly. And he he died real"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "young. But Wow."}, {"start": "00:20:43", "end": "00:20:49", "text": ">> Um Yeah. And then u when he was growing"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "up as a boy, uh he told me that him and"}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "his brothers and his cousins were"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "playing literally in the jungle and"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "there's Mayan ruins everywhere. It's you"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "know, just not one particular area."}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "There's Yeah. in in this part of Banaka,"}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "Honduras. There's so many and I don't"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "even think it's called Banaka anymore."}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:07", "text": "It's I don't know if it's Roitan or I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "really not sure. I've never been there."}, {"start": "00:21:07", "end": "00:21:13", "text": "So, um he said, \"But they were all"}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": "playing out in the jungle.\" You know, we"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:16", "text": "say the woods, they say the jungle"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "because it really is a jungle down"}, {"start": "00:21:16", "end": "00:21:21", "text": "there."}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:24", "text": ">> And they saw this tall red-headed guy"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "with long red hair, super white skin,"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:30", "text": "and he wasn't walking. He was floating"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:32", "text": "through the through this jungle through"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "the jungle and they all hid behind these"}, {"start": "00:21:32", "end": "00:21:36", "text": "these items to watch him and he stopped"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:37", "text": "and he turned around and looked back"}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "toward them"}, {"start": "00:21:37", "end": "00:21:41", "text": ">> and then they freaked out and took off"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "running. They were maybe 30 ft from him"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "or something, but he made no noise and"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "he and he had on robes. He didn't have"}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "on regular clothes. He had on robes"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:52", "text": ">> and I just took that and threw it. I"}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:52", "text": "just looked at my dad and I said,"}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "\"Okay.\""}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:54", "text": ">> Yeah. What are you going to do with"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:56", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:21:54", "end": "00:21:57", "text": ">> Nothing. Nothing. I wish I'd have paid"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:21:58", "text": "more attention to him, you know. Really?"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:01", "text": ">> There's probably probably a reason"}, {"start": "00:21:58", "end": "00:22:04", "text": "though, you know,"}, {"start": "00:22:01", "end": "00:22:05", "text": "you ignored that stuff so much until you"}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:07", "text": "couldn't ignore it. You know, now"}, {"start": "00:22:05", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "looking back on it, you might you might"}, {"start": "00:22:07", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "kick yourself and say, \"Oh, I should"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "have listened.\" But at the same time,"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "you don't have a history with this"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:15", "text": "stuff. And that's what makes it so"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "fascinating that you had these"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:19", "text": "sightings. It's not like you were"}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": "chasing UFOs when this happened to you,"}, {"start": "00:22:19", "end": "00:22:23", "text": ">> but UFOs seem to be chasing you."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:25", "text": ">> Yeah. I don't know. I I do know that"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "when I went to the missile field, I"}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "first of all, when I first got my"}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": "assignment out of Lackland Air Force"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": "Base after basic training in Airbase"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:34", "text": "Ground Defense and all the other things"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "that we go through, when I when I saw"}, {"start": "00:22:34", "end": "00:22:38", "text": "South Dakota,"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "I thought, where in the hell is Elorth"}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "Air Force Base? So, you know, it's a"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:43", "text": "rapid city. And then, you know, I kind"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": "of put the two together and looked on"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "the map and um knew Mount Rushmore was"}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:52", "text": "there, so I'd have to see that. But"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "my first week and a half in the missile"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:56", "text": "field out there when I saw those stars"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "at night on out in the middle of those"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:59", "text": "prairies cuz this is all buffalo running"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:01", "text": "territory, you know, and there's no"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "ambient light. There's no there's no"}, {"start": "00:23:01", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "towns. There's nothing."}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "There were things to there were things"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:10", "text": "that you could see moving in the sky."}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "Now, I don't know what they I don't know"}, {"start": "00:23:10", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "there were satellites or what they were,"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:16", "text": "but I just had a strange feeling back"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "then before any of this ever happened."}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "You know what happened in on November 5?"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "I just knew something there was a"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "correlation between nuclear"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "rockets and and these visitors. I just"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "knew there was there's a connection"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": "between them. I don't know what they're"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "I don't know why they're looking at this"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:39", "text": "stuff and"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "and these sites but it's it's all"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "Malstrom"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "May not Ellsworth which is you know was"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:48", "text": "um decommissioned I think in I think in"}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "' 91 when the missile field was"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "decommissioned but the aircraft the air"}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "uh aircraft side of it still active of"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:59", "text": "course uh and I did mention my not so"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "those are the three you know ICBM sites"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:02", "text": "that are still active today. And I just"}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:05", "text": "never I never could understand why they"}, {"start": "00:24:02", "end": "00:24:07", "text": "did away with Ellsworth, which kind of"}, {"start": "00:24:05", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "bothered me a little bit."}, {"start": "00:24:07", "end": "00:24:09", "text": ">> Might have been that might have been a"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:10", "text": ">> I don't know"}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:11", "text": ">> precursor."}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": ">> But there was there was more than just"}, {"start": "00:24:11", "end": "00:24:19", "text": "my sighting there that that did occur."}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:22", "text": "And and I think the the bad part about"}, {"start": "00:24:19", "end": "00:24:25", "text": "about it is"}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "it was before a time the Air Force or"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:31", "text": "really the Army, the Navy, the Coast"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": "Guard, anybody really had a good handle"}, {"start": "00:24:31", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "on what was going on because these"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:39", "text": "things are being seen and have been seen"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:41", "text": "and you know since before Robert Sales's"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "time. I mean really and over Los Alamos"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:47", "text": "and Sandia and then I've been to both of"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "those facilities. Oakidge Y12, K25,"}, {"start": "00:24:47", "end": "00:24:52", "text": "Pantex. I mean there's just"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:54", "text": ">> as as a security police officer."}, {"start": "00:24:52", "end": "00:24:56", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, in in a security uh"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:58", "text": "inspector capacity with Department of"}, {"start": "00:24:56", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "Energy, but as a security policeman in"}, {"start": "00:24:58", "end": "00:25:00", "text": "the Air Force. Yes."}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:01", "text": ">> You were stationed at those or were you"}, {"start": "00:25:00", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:04", "text": ">> just at Air Force bases? I'm just saying"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:06", "text": "overall in general."}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": ">> But you've been to all these places."}, {"start": "00:25:06", "end": "00:25:11", "text": "You've been to, you told me yesterday at"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "dinner you were likely in Los Alamos at"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "the same time Bob Lazar was."}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:17", "text": ">> I I have a strange feeling now. I was I"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "was at the Sierra 450 area and there was"}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "a scientist there that they kind of put"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "me with. I I wouldn't know if you call"}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:24", "text": "it a bodyguard or something like that,"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "but I was assigned to him and his last"}, {"start": "00:25:24", "end": "00:25:29", "text": "name was Bishop. And uh I was in a"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:32", "text": "control room when an element was was or"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "a test burst was being conducted. And of"}, {"start": "00:25:32", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "course, we had to, you know, we had to"}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:40", "text": "set up a two-mile uh"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:41", "text": ">> entry control area. Yeah. Two mile"}, {"start": "00:25:40", "end": "00:25:43", "text": ">> Yeah. two miles away. I mean, for"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "radiation purposes and that type of"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:46", "text": "thing. Yeah. I mean, these areas are"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "that vast."}, {"start": "00:25:46", "end": "00:25:50", "text": ">> And you know, I thought I I thought it"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:52", "text": "was really cool because um"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "besides being in that control room"}, {"start": "00:25:52", "end": "00:25:57", "text": "similar to this right here when that"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "happened. Um but being out in the 450"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "area, again, it's so vast. I found"}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:03", "text": "pieces of pottery, beautiful pieces of"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "of Indian pottery. And you know, and"}, {"start": "00:26:03", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "there's the caves that that the Indians"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "could dig into the into the rock face. I"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "mean, you could with a spoon, you could"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "dig a condominium as big as you and as"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "vast as you wanted. And they did that."}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:20", "text": "So, um, I was picking up all this"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:21", "text": "pottery and then come to find out, you"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "know, cuz we have geiger counters in our"}, {"start": "00:26:21", "end": "00:26:25", "text": "vehicles and it was all radioactive. So,"}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:27", "text": "I had to get rid of a sack of this"}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "stuff. I thought I'd bring this home,"}, {"start": "00:26:27", "end": "00:26:31", "text": "show this off, you know, and"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:33", "text": "so I'm not."}, {"start": "00:26:31", "end": "00:26:37", "text": "So anyway,"}, {"start": "00:26:33", "end": "00:26:40", "text": ">> wow. Um, so you've Yeah, you've clearly"}, {"start": "00:26:37", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "frequented a lot of of the most"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:46", "text": "secretive"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:49", "text": "I mean, highly securized sort of"}, {"start": "00:26:46", "end": "00:26:51", "text": "compartmentalized facilities in the"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:52", "text": "United States. Like that was your job."}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:53", "text": ">> Yeah, I had a great time"}, {"start": "00:26:52", "end": "00:26:55", "text": ">> to do that. You were armed as well."}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:57", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely."}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:27:00", "text": "Uh well, we carry different weapons for"}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:01", "text": "different uh areas, you know, like in"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:04", "text": "inside of a laboratory area, you"}, {"start": "00:27:01", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "wouldn't want to carry an M16 or an M4"}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:09", "text": "or an MP5 silence, but you know, because"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "there's things that if you did engage an"}, {"start": "00:27:09", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "adversary, you don't want to"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:14", "text": ">> alert everyone."}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:16", "text": ">> Say, well, no, no, you don't want"}, {"start": "00:27:14", "end": "00:27:17", "text": "ricochets bouncing all over the place,"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "and you don't want particular, you know,"}, {"start": "00:27:17", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "in a place like that, it would a shotgun"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "would be better,"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:24", "text": ">> you know, if you had to engage close"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "range. Yeah. If you had to engage, you"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:27", "text": "you you don't really want to fire a"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "weapon like that."}, {"start": "00:27:27", "end": "00:27:29", "text": ">> Did you ever have to engage?"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:30", "text": ">> No. No."}, {"start": "00:27:29", "end": "00:27:31", "text": ">> Thank goodness."}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:33", "text": ">> Yeah. Thank goodness. Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:34", "text": ">> Yeah. But you were ready."}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:34", "text": ">> You had the training."}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": ">> How many times a year would you train?"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:40", "text": ">> Uh well, you qualify twice a year. Twice"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "a year. Every six months. And then of"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "course they do give you rounds to go out"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "and shoot on your own. I mean, which is"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "substantial. And really guys that didn't"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "want to do it, they give you theirs. So"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:51", "text": "you'd be out there at a five or 6"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "thousand round capacity to just"}, {"start": "00:27:51", "end": "00:27:55", "text": ">> Oh my god. to just melt some barrels"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:56", "text": "down, you know, just have some real good"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:57", "text": "fun. I think Bob Lazar, he likes"}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:59", "text": "automatic weapons, I think. So,"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:00", "text": ">> I think I think he does, too. He likes"}, {"start": "00:27:59", "end": "00:28:01", "text": "anything that goes boom."}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:03", "text": ">> Yeah, absolutely. So, there's nothing"}, {"start": "00:28:01", "end": "00:28:04", "text": "wrong with that. I don't hunt. All I do"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "is I just target practice."}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:06", "text": ">> You go to the range still?"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:07", "text": ">> Yeah, I do a lot of tactical stuff"}, {"start": "00:28:06", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "still."}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:12", "text": ">> What's your favorite gun?"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:12", "text": ">> M4 that I built and a wheel gun. A 586"}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:13", "text": "Smith and Wesson."}, {"start": "00:28:12", "end": "00:28:15", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:28:13", "end": "00:28:16", "text": ">> Yeah. Back from 83."}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:17", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:28:16", "end": "00:28:18", "text": ">> What kind of What kind of rounds does"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "those have?"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:20", "text": ">> 357 Magnum."}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:22", "text": ">> Okay. Big rounds."}, {"start": "00:28:20", "end": "00:28:24", "text": ">> You can shoot 38 to it also. Okay."}, {"start": "00:28:22", "end": "00:28:24", "text": ">> Which is cheaper than 357 Magnums,"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:27", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": ">> Yeah. And of course 5.56, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "M4. And"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:32", "text": ">> I have some specialty shotguns also,"}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "semis that I really like to shoot. But"}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:36", "text": "it's very difficult to find a range that"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "you can go and utilize the shotgun on."}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:38", "text": ">> I see."}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:40", "text": ">> Because it tears down all the structure"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "and everything. And indoor ranges, they"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "just get really upset. Yeah. You can"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:46", "text": "control that. I mean, you can control"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "it, but they don't want to listen. Not"}, {"start": "00:28:46", "end": "00:28:49", "text": "everybody's disciplined with a firearm."}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "They just want to hear a big bang and"}, {"start": "00:28:49", "end": "00:28:51", "text": "see what they can tear up. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "Unfortunately,"}, {"start": "00:28:51", "end": "00:28:55", "text": ">> yeah, I've only been to a few myself in"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:57", "text": "my lifetime because, you know, obviously"}, {"start": "00:28:55", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "in Canada, we got a lot of restrictions"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:02", "text": "on these things. Um, and I I don't own"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:04", "text": "any guns myself, but I've I've uh had"}, {"start": "00:29:02", "end": "00:29:06", "text": "some friends down in Texas."}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:07", "text": ">> And they were like, \"You got to we got"}, {"start": "00:29:06", "end": "00:29:09", "text": "to get this Canadian, you know, to shoot"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "some guns.\" And I was like, \"All right.\""}, {"start": "00:29:09", "end": "00:29:14", "text": "And they started me off with a 50 cal."}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:16", "text": ">> No way."}, {"start": "00:29:14", "end": "00:29:19", "text": ">> My soul left my body when I shot that"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "thing. It was stunning. And um felt"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:24", "text": "incred incredibly uh terrifying"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:27", "text": ">> and and the target they put they they"}, {"start": "00:29:24", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "put tannerite on the was it is that is"}, {"start": "00:29:27", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "that it's called tannerite right"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:32", "text": ">> on the target without telling me"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:34", "text": ">> and so I'm shooting this thing and"}, {"start": "00:29:32", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "there's things exploding and I'm uh yeah"}, {"start": "00:29:34", "end": "00:29:38", "text": "it was a big prank on me but um"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:40", "text": ">> you ever come down southeast Georgia way"}, {"start": "00:29:38", "end": "00:29:42", "text": "I'll hit you on indoor range and you can"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "we we'll do you right you have your"}, {"start": "00:29:42", "end": "00:29:45", "text": "protection protection and you won't be"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "overpowered by a fire."}, {"start": "00:29:45", "end": "00:29:51", "text": ">> Okay. All right. I'll take you up on it."}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:53", "text": ">> Um, all right. So, take us into Was it"}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "the night before"}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:58", "text": "or was it the same? Was it because you"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "had a shift the night before November"}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "18th?"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:03", "text": ">> No, I just came to the field that day."}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:03", "text": ">> You just came to the field that day."}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:05", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "00:30:03", "end": "00:30:06", "text": ">> And we work 12our 12-hour shifts."}, {"start": "00:30:05", "end": "00:30:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:09", "text": ">> And our relief usually takes place two"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "um two flights a day."}, {"start": "00:30:09", "end": "00:30:11", "text": ">> You do six to six."}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:11", "text": ">> That's correct."}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:11", "end": "00:30:16", "text": ">> Yeah. two flights of security police"}, {"start": "00:30:13", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "officers um which would be 12 total, six"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "at each. Um we uh or six on each shift."}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:27", "text": "We we do um two flights at a time coming"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "out on a bus or by helicopter depending"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:33", "text": "upon the weather. Um was buses most of"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:35", "text": "the times the blue bluebird buses we"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "tended windows"}, {"start": "00:30:35", "end": "00:30:38", "text": ">> and perform our relief and then that"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "shift getting off they head out on the"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:43", "text": "bus and we take over of course. So it's,"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "you know, there's continuity is never"}, {"start": "00:30:43", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "broken. It's always there or it's always"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "manned. And uh so then you know the"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:52", "text": "shift that you're working by what the"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "the roster says before you ever leave"}, {"start": "00:30:52", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "the uh in your debrief that you get when"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "you're before you leave out to the"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:03", "text": "field. So once we got to the field, I I"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:05", "text": "was on the 600 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. shift"}, {"start": "00:31:03", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "as was Michael Johnson. And he was"}, {"start": "00:31:05", "end": "00:31:10", "text": "working vacation relief for my normal"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "partner. Okay. who went to North"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "Carolina to get married. Steve Welsh."}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "Good guy. Been trying to find him, too,"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "but I haven't had any luck finding him."}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "So, maybe."}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:19", "text": ">> You think he's happy he didn't show up"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "that night or disappointed?"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:22", "text": ">> I I really don't know. I didn't get a"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "chance to see him again after that was"}, {"start": "00:31:22", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "over. They never sent me back to"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:26", "text": "November control."}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:27", "text": ">> No. Yeah, I heard I heard about that as"}, {"start": "00:31:26", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "well."}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:33", "text": ">> Yeah. So, we um performed our relief and"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:35", "text": "I was young and energetic and playing"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "table tennis and and always hitting a"}, {"start": "00:31:35", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "tennis ball. I had a we had a offsite"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:41", "text": "garage set. It was on site, but it was"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:43", "text": "not connected to the main launch control"}, {"start": "00:31:41", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "facility. And I put plywood up on the"}, {"start": "00:31:43", "end": "00:31:46", "text": "walls and put tape squares in it so I"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "could just get out there and had a"}, {"start": "00:31:46", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "center line for the nets. I just I just"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:52", "text": "love tennis. And I just get out there in"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:54", "text": "that garage for hours and just slam that"}, {"start": "00:31:52", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "tennis ball and you know, and it helped"}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "me in tournaments and stuff when I"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:32:01", "text": "played a lot. So, but um so I we elected"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:05", "text": "to I elected to do that and so I didn't"}, {"start": "00:32:01", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "go to sleep and uh we came on duty at 6"}, {"start": "00:32:05", "end": "00:32:08", "text": "p.m. and did our normal thing and"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "sitting around reading books and so"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:12", "text": "forth and the other three guys that we"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:14", "text": "were leave they you know went on to"}, {"start": "00:32:12", "end": "00:32:15", "text": "their room 10 or 11:00 that night or so"}, {"start": "00:32:14", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "uh it was kind of it was kind of cool"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:24", "text": "because at about I say about 910 9:15 is"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "when I walked outside to smoke a"}, {"start": "00:32:24", "end": "00:32:27", "text": "cigarette and then TV's on three"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "channels in which we had we could view"}, {"start": "00:32:27", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "with I helped set the antenna on the"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "back of the building and uh"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "when I saw to smoke a cigarette. And I"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "looked to my east and it was between 9"}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:46", "text": "and 13° and I just see this large light"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:48", "text": "and I went and it was 30 35 degrees up"}, {"start": "00:32:46", "end": "00:32:51", "text": "off the horizon. I went, \"What was"}, {"start": "00:32:48", "end": "00:32:53", "text": "that?\" What color was it? Hard to"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:56", "text": "describe, but it was it wasn't bright"}, {"start": "00:32:53", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "white and it wasn't uh dull white. It"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:32:59", "text": "was just in the middle of that"}, {"start": "00:32:57", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "somewhere. Is this a color? I'm color"}, {"start": "00:32:59", "end": "00:33:03", "text": "blind, but is the color I don't know,"}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:06", "text": "maybe like your walls in here or"}, {"start": "00:33:03", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "something like that, but yet bright and"}, {"start": "00:33:06", "end": "00:33:11", "text": "full. It wasn't there wasn't any gaps in"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "the in the in looking at it. Wasn't, you"}, {"start": "00:33:11", "end": "00:33:15", "text": "know, like a dark spot or a brighter"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "spot or anything like it. Just one color"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:20", "text": "and it just just looked so odd. And I"}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:22", "text": "went, what is that? I said I thought for"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:23", "text": "a minute. And I said, \"It's got to be"}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "based on the size of it.\" Because you're"}, {"start": "00:33:23", "end": "00:33:27", "text": "looking at stars in the background and"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "overhead and it's you you can reach up"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "and grab a star out of the Milky Way. It"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "just looks that way. It's so clear. And"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "we were what about 8 miles north of"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "Newell, South Dakota on Highway 79. And"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:41", "text": "then Belfoo is to the north and to the"}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:45", "text": "west, I think 29 miles. And then Sturgis"}, {"start": "00:33:41", "end": "00:33:46", "text": "is south of us 30 30 miles. So there's"}, {"start": "00:33:45", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "nothing there. We were the brightest"}, {"start": "00:33:46", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "thing on that whole prairie area, our"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:56", "text": "launch control facility, which uh had"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "between 12 and 14 uh twoft light cans on"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:33:59", "text": "it, security perimeter lights. And of"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "course, I think our fence line is either"}, {"start": "00:33:59", "end": "00:34:02", "text": "eight or 10 ft with barb wire turned on"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:04", "text": "the outside."}, {"start": "00:34:02", "end": "00:34:05", "text": ">> First of all, I got to stop you. Your"}, {"start": "00:34:04", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "recall is insane, Mario. You're you're"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "rattling off these numbers like you"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "worked there yesterday."}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:12", "text": ">> This is crazy. I don't know if anybody"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:15", "text": "really appreciates to what extent you're"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "getting us a detailed picture of what"}, {"start": "00:34:15", "end": "00:34:18", "text": "happened. This is remarkable, man. It"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "just it's just there."}, {"start": "00:34:18", "end": "00:34:20", "text": ">> Oh, it's unbelievable."}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:22", "text": ">> It's uh"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:23", "text": ">> So, sorry, I didn't want to interrupt"}, {"start": "00:34:22", "end": "00:34:25", "text": "you, but I thought I had to just remind"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "the audience of what they're what it is"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "they're listening to, and I I challenge"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "them to talk to me about an event that"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "happened 40 years ago."}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:32", "text": ">> Um, and see what they come up with 50"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "years ago."}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:38", "text": ">> So, I I uh I could probably I could run"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "20 miles, you know, with a backpack on"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "on an M16 back then and smoke a pack of"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:44", "text": "cigarettes. It didn't It just didn't"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:45", "text": "bother me. I was just in that good of"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:48", "text": "shape. And I'm sorry to say that I did"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "smoke back then, but I did. And I'm I'm"}, {"start": "00:34:48", "end": "00:34:53", "text": "looking to the east and I see this dag"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:55", "text": "on light and it just looks so out of"}, {"start": "00:34:53", "end": "00:34:56", "text": "place and so odd. And the size of it was"}, {"start": "00:34:55", "end": "00:34:59", "text": "what really got my attention. Not just"}, {"start": "00:34:56", "end": "00:35:00", "text": "the light in the sky. Again, it was"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "couldn't have been the moon. I think"}, {"start": "00:35:00", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "there's there's one scientist who looked"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:06", "text": "at that, you know, and said, \"No, it"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "wasn't the moon. It wasn't Venus."}, {"start": "00:35:06", "end": "00:35:12", "text": "I can't remember his name. Also,"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "he's got a funny first name, but I'll"}, {"start": "00:35:12", "end": "00:35:16", "text": "I'll think of it.\" And uh so I just lit"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:18", "text": "up a cigarette and didn't think no more"}, {"start": "00:35:16", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "about it. And you know it just drew my"}, {"start": "00:35:18", "end": "00:35:24", "text": "curiosity"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:26", "text": "and I what the hell is that? What what"}, {"start": "00:35:24", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "is that exactly?"}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": "And I thought B-52 bombers and I knew it"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "wasn't helicopters. Now I think we have"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "I'm not sure the type of helicopters we"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "have. They weren't super Blackhawks."}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:40", "text": "They were something else. Um"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:42", "text": "I didn't mean to do that."}, {"start": "00:35:40", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:35:42", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "but usually there was it was always the"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:49", "text": "notification of a trip coming from the"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "main base to your location"}, {"start": "00:35:49", "end": "00:35:52", "text": ">> on Okay. It's incoming. You think?"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:54", "text": ">> Yeah. There was there was always"}, {"start": "00:35:52", "end": "00:35:55", "text": "communication if that were to happen."}, {"start": "00:35:54", "end": "00:35:56", "text": ">> You're seeing like the headlights of the"}, {"start": "00:35:55", "end": "00:35:57", "text": "craft is what you're thinking."}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:35:59", "text": ">> Yeah. They just don't send helicopters"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "out and they just land at November"}, {"start": "00:35:59", "end": "00:36:03", "text": "control or Kilo or Echo or Mike. They"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:05", "text": "just don't do that. They always have a"}, {"start": "00:36:03", "end": "00:36:07", "text": "trip planned and they notify wherever"}, {"start": "00:36:05", "end": "00:36:08", "text": "that's going before it gets there. you"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:10", "text": "know, because we're heavily armed and"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "we're looking at all areas in in the"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "sky, perimeter, everything. So,"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:21", "text": "I get this wildrained idea. I said,"}, {"start": "00:36:18", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "\"Well, it it I couldn't tell if it was"}, {"start": "00:36:21", "end": "00:36:25", "text": "stationary or if it was coming to me. I"}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "didn't hear anything.\" And that's all I"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:29", "text": "could see was that thing just literally"}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:31", "text": "hanging in the sky."}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:34", "text": "So I said"}, {"start": "00:36:31", "end": "00:36:36", "text": "to myself when we used to when I used to"}, {"start": "00:36:34", "end": "00:36:39", "text": "go to sea with my dad once in a while in"}, {"start": "00:36:36", "end": "00:36:41", "text": "the summers"}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:44", "text": "ships passing you know in channels or"}, {"start": "00:36:41", "end": "00:36:45", "text": "out at sea uh international waters they"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:47", "text": "would sometimes flip lights at each"}, {"start": "00:36:45", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "other if they if there was a"}, {"start": "00:36:47", "end": "00:36:50", "text": "communication problem you know or"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "something one was Russian one was Korean"}, {"start": "00:36:50", "end": "00:36:54", "text": "or Filipino whatever they were they"}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "would flip lights at each other so I"}, {"start": "00:36:54", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "thought I'll go in there and flip the"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:59", "text": "lights on and off of this thing and"}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:01", "text": "you're kind of taught that also in"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "security police school for uh"}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "identification purposes, for aircraft"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:06", "text": "identification purposes and that kind of"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "thing and how to communicate with them"}, {"start": "00:37:06", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "basically"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:12", "text": ">> like Morse are using"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:14", "text": ">> similar you know like a like a three"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:15", "text": "blit type sequence or something and"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:17", "text": "they'll like knowledge back of you know"}, {"start": "00:37:15", "end": "00:37:18", "text": "that they're seeing you and you're"}, {"start": "00:37:17", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "seeing them. So you know"}, {"start": "00:37:18", "end": "00:37:22", "text": ">> like flipping high beams off the same"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:24", "text": "thing. Same thing. So I went inside and"}, {"start": "00:37:22", "end": "00:37:27", "text": "Bill Hollowman, he was a staff sergeant,"}, {"start": "00:37:24", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "great guy from North Carolina. He was on"}, {"start": "00:37:27", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "the phone with his wife and she was in"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "Rapid City and I said, \"Hey Bill,\" I"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "said, and we're good friends. I said,"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "\"Man, you got to come see this thing.\" I"}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "said, \"There's a light out here.\" And I"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "said, \"I'm going to flip the several"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "lights at it if you don't mind.\" And he"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:43", "text": "just looked up at me and just he just"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:45", "text": "did that. Just wave me off, you know? He"}, {"start": "00:37:43", "end": "00:37:47", "text": "said, \"No, whatever.\" And the switch was"}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "literally on the wall just like that."}, {"start": "00:37:47", "end": "00:37:50", "text": ">> And I just walked up there behind him."}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:51", "text": "Now, mind you, the entrance to the"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "capsule crew where the officers are"}, {"start": "00:37:51", "end": "00:37:55", "text": "downstairs. That's what his position is"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:57", "text": "directly in front of that door where his"}, {"start": "00:37:55", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "office is set up and he dispatches us."}, {"start": "00:37:57", "end": "00:38:02", "text": "They dispatch and tell all alarm"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:05", "text": "situations to him. He even relays to us."}, {"start": "00:38:02", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "And we we already have our weapons. We"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:09", "text": "got our code tables and all that stuff."}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "But anyway, getting back to this, I just"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:12", "text": "walked up and just flipped the lights"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:13", "text": "off and on. Just blip blip blip blip"}, {"start": "00:38:12", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "blip blip. Just like that. Walked"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:18", "text": "outside about 20 ft away from the door."}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:21", "text": "I've been right to that very spot again"}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "and looked to my east and it was about"}, {"start": "00:38:21", "end": "00:38:25", "text": "10 or 15 seconds later. The damn thing"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "went blip blip blip. Flipped off,"}, {"start": "00:38:25", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "flipped on, but off on and back on. And"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:35", "text": "I went, \"Wow, that's cool. It's got to"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "be B-52 bombers, but still no noise, not"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:40", "text": "coming any closer, not going north, not"}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:42", "text": "going south.\" So, how how crazy is that?"}, {"start": "00:38:40", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "How does that just It just blew my mind"}, {"start": "00:38:42", "end": "00:38:48", "text": "up. I said, \"What kind of aircraft is"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "that? Is it a helicopter hovering?\""}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "Still couldn't hear it. And out there,"}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "even if it was 6 or 8 miles away, 10"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "miles away, you'd hear a chopper. I"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:39:02", "text": "mean, it's total silent out there."}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "And uh so I shook my head and I walked"}, {"start": "00:39:02", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "back in. I did the same thing. Came back"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:08", "text": "outside. I even told a bit of home"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "again. I said, \"Man, I flipped the"}, {"start": "00:39:08", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "lights out. It flipped the lights back"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:12", "text": "at me.\" He just looked up at me like I"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "was an absolute fool."}, {"start": "00:39:12", "end": "00:39:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:16", "text": ">> Went back out there again and it did it"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "again. So now I got to I got to wake up."}, {"start": "00:39:16", "end": "00:39:21", "text": "Somebody somebody got to come see this."}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:22", "text": ">> So my partner Michael Johnson and we"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "hadn't really said that much to each"}, {"start": "00:39:22", "end": "00:39:26", "text": "other. I met him at the SEATU building"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "which are which is our assembly facility"}, {"start": "00:39:26", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "where all the security policemen going"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:31", "text": "out in the field that day."}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:32", "text": ">> I see. That was the first time you met"}, {"start": "00:39:31", "end": "00:39:33", "text": "him."}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:36", "text": ">> Uh yeah. Yeah. That was the first time I"}, {"start": "00:39:33", "end": "00:39:39", "text": "met him. And I think he was from the 66"}, {"start": "00:39:36", "end": "00:39:41", "text": "area which is down by the Badlands which"}, {"start": "00:39:39", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "would be east of Rapid City. And where"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "we were located was to the west and to"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:46", "text": "the north almost by the Wyoming border"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "and it was very close to the Wyoming"}, {"start": "00:39:46", "end": "00:39:52", "text": "border. And uh so I went and I said,"}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:54", "text": "\"Hey, Michael.\" I said, \"Uh, come out"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "here. I want you to check something out,"}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:58", "text": "man. I I I see some lights out or light"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:00", "text": "out here. I want you to see what it is."}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:02", "text": "See what you think about it.\" and he was"}, {"start": "00:40:00", "end": "00:40:04", "text": "kind of hesitant, you know, real nice,"}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:07", "text": "real light-skinned black guy. He was"}, {"start": "00:40:04", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "from Chicago, I from Chicago, Illinois."}, {"start": "00:40:07", "end": "00:40:11", "text": "And he was a single guy, lived on base"}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:12", "text": "and his parents, that was his permanent"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "home address was in some part of"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "Chicago. So I finally wrangled him to"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:18", "text": "come outside and I said, \"All right, you"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "see that right there?\" And he goes, he"}, {"start": "00:40:18", "end": "00:40:23", "text": "just nodded his head. Yeah. Yeah. I"}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:25", "text": "said, \"Hold on.\" I ran back inside, left"}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:27", "text": "him standing there again about 20 ft"}, {"start": "00:40:25", "end": "00:40:30", "text": "from the door. I flipped the lights off"}, {"start": "00:40:27", "end": "00:40:32", "text": "and on, off and on, off and on. run back"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "out there again and I just sit there and"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:38", "text": "watch it and it did it again. So it it"}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:40", "text": "did it that time and I said, \"Did you"}, {"start": "00:40:38", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "see that?\" And he goes, \"Yeah.\" He goes,"}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:44", "text": "\"I don't know, man. Whatever.\" And he"}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:46", "text": "said that to me a couple times that"}, {"start": "00:40:44", "end": "00:40:47", "text": "night. Whatever. I don't know if he"}, {"start": "00:40:46", "end": "00:40:50", "text": "didn't want to just acknowledge it or he"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "didn't have any curiosity in him or"}, {"start": "00:40:50", "end": "00:40:52", "text": "what. I really don't know."}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:54", "text": ">> Or he's freaked out by it."}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:56", "text": ">> He didn't have any excitement at all,"}, {"start": "00:40:54", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "though. it just it just didn't didn't"}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:41:00", "text": "register with him, you know, on his on"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:04", "text": "his spidey skills or whatever, you know,"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "senses. And uh so I said, \"Let's do it"}, {"start": "00:41:04", "end": "00:41:08", "text": "again.\" And he just kind of I remember"}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:10", "text": "him looking down and it was quite cold."}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "It was like 9 to 13 degrees that night."}, {"start": "00:41:10", "end": "00:41:15", "text": "It was ice on the ground."}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "So I ran back in. I got my long drones"}, {"start": "00:41:15", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "on, um fatigues and all that stuff on."}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "So I ran back in and did it again. Come"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "back outside. This would be the third"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:29", "text": "time or be the fourth time. Flipped the"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "lights off, flipped the lights on. Same"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:35", "text": "thing. Came back out and it was about 15"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "20 seconds. It went off, went on, went"}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:41", "text": "off, and that was it. Just stayed off."}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:44", "text": "I said, well, I said, and I told Michael"}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:47", "text": "Johnson, I said, I guess that's the end"}, {"start": "00:41:44", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "of the end of the show or something. I"}, {"start": "00:41:47", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "don't know. And he didn't say anything"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:52", "text": "about it. I said, what do you think that"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "is, man? And I said, \"You think he just"}, {"start": "00:41:52", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "went the other way or or what?\" He goes,"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:59", "text": "\"He just really he just shrugged his"}, {"start": "00:41:57", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "shoulders off. He didn't really Yeah. He"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:04", "text": "was just unin interested.\" So"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:06", "text": ">> we go back in, sit back down, and I just"}, {"start": "00:42:04", "end": "00:42:08", "text": "kept thinking, you know, what was that?"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "And the guys that were off duty, they"}, {"start": "00:42:08", "end": "00:42:12", "text": "had already gone off to, I guess, to bed"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "or something because they get up early"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:16", "text": "and have breakfast."}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:18", "text": "So, I grabbed a book or something and"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "started reading a book or cuz you know"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:23", "text": "it's hard to get people to to uh play"}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:24", "text": "pingpong with you or sometimes we played"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "hearts and stuff like that when we get"}, {"start": "00:42:24", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "everybody together. But Bill Hollowman's"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:28", "text": "still on the phone. They've been on the"}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "phone for two hours at least. I don't"}, {"start": "00:42:28", "end": "00:42:35", "text": "know. You know how that happens. And uh"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "of course the TV went off at 12:00. Then"}, {"start": "00:42:35", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "that's when you get that really crazy"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "signal at the end of the night and had"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:43", "text": "that broadcast signal. Then it, you"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "know, it had that high pitch uh signal"}, {"start": "00:42:43", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "when it ended, you know, because we only"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "had three channels."}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "And I guess it was about um"}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "a few minutes after 12 12:15 or so. 12"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:59", "text": "12:05, 12:15, all of a sudden I heard"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "the alarm phone in the flight security"}, {"start": "00:42:59", "end": "00:43:02", "text": "controller's office where Bill Hollowman"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:05", "text": "was. I heard it go off and it makes a"}, {"start": "00:43:02", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "noise. And I'm going to do this"}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:09", "text": "like that. And it's really loud. You can"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:10", "text": "hear it all the way out into the in the"}, {"start": "00:43:09", "end": "00:43:13", "text": "kitchen in the day room area. Sure."}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:17", "text": ">> And there there's a reason for that."}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:18", "text": ">> And uh so I hear Belie snatches it off"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:20", "text": "cuz it rings until you take it off the"}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "hook, right? And and I just as I'm"}, {"start": "00:43:20", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "walking in the vegetable and I'm"}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:27", "text": "entering his office, I hear him say,"}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "\"Sit for November 5.\" And uh and none of"}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "this is classified, by the way. I want"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:33", "text": "everybody to know that none of this that"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:39", "text": "I'm that I'm talking about is classified"}, {"start": "00:43:33", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "whatsoever in any part. none of it. Um,"}, {"start": "00:43:39", "end": "00:43:45", "text": "so I hear him I hear him say, \"Yes, sir."}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:49", "text": "Sit 465 sit four November 5.\""}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:51", "text": "And so went in there, Michael Johnson"}, {"start": "00:43:49", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "comes in and Michael Johnson didn't know"}, {"start": "00:43:51", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "his way around. Of course, he would be"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:55", "text": "the driver. He outranked me by two"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "months. We were both senior airmen at"}, {"start": "00:43:55", "end": "00:44:01", "text": "the time, 23 years of age. I was."}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "And got our weapons, got our code tables"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:05", "text": "and everything that we had to have. Had"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "our diddy bags. That's your hawk bag, we"}, {"start": "00:44:05", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "call it, and this got all your stuff in"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "it in case you have to spend the night"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:09", "text": "out there on the"}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:11", "text": ">> rock sack or"}, {"start": "00:44:09", "end": "00:44:13", "text": ">> Yeah, it's it's similar to that. We we"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "call it u it's it's got everything in"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "it. You know, like I said, in case you"}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:19", "text": "have to literally spend the night a few"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "nights on that missile site until a"}, {"start": "00:44:19", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "camper alert team gets there until Hayes"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "can come and solve the problem if if you"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "can't get a reset on what's going on out"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:30", "text": "there on alarms because it has to be"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "back to"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:36", "text": ">> uh non alarm status is the right word."}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:40", "text": "So got our got our briefing and"}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:41", "text": "everything and and uh loaded up the"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "vehicle,"}, {"start": "00:44:41", "end": "00:44:46", "text": "exited the gate, went out to the dirt"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "road. All these are clay roads that that"}, {"start": "00:44:46", "end": "00:44:51", "text": "connect these sites there are highways"}, {"start": "00:44:48", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "and u turn left at the end of the the"}, {"start": "00:44:51", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "end of our road. Next intersection turn"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "left and it was that's about 4 and a"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "half miles from that intersection up to"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "Highway 79."}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "And uh the strangest thing is that the"}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "road kind of goes down and then it goes"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:08", "text": "up toward the highway bed. I I guess"}, {"start": "00:45:07", "end": "00:45:11", "text": "during the winter time, you know, when"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:13", "text": "you have uh of snow and ice and"}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:14", "text": "everything, so it can run off of it. And"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "that's why they they build the highways"}, {"start": "00:45:14", "end": "00:45:18", "text": "up. And they're very smart people about"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:19", "text": "managing that during the winter time."}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:20", "text": "You know, all the power lines are"}, {"start": "00:45:19", "end": "00:45:24", "text": "underground, all that kind of stuff. And"}, {"start": "00:45:20", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "that's pretty smart. And I just happened"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "to be sitting when I was sitting in a"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:31", "text": "passenger seat. I just turned and looked"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "over my right shoulder at about the 4:00"}, {"start": "00:45:31", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "position and we're in an F-150 Ford"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "pickup truck. That was our response"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:39", "text": "vehicle with two blue bubbles on top. US"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:42", "text": "Air Force Security Police on the side"}, {"start": "00:45:39", "end": "00:45:45", "text": "and u weapons rack in in behind us and"}, {"start": "00:45:42", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "you know so it was a single cab uh Ford"}, {"start": "00:45:45", "end": "00:45:47", "text": "pickup truck."}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:47", "end": "00:45:52", "text": ">> And all of them were they were all the"}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:54", "text": "same had western mirrors on it. Um, and"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:58", "text": "as I looked over at about the 4:00"}, {"start": "00:45:54", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "position, I see this pulsating glow like"}, {"start": "00:45:58", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "miles away"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:07", "text": "to at November at the November 5 area. I"}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:08", "text": "mean, that's as the crow flies. That's"}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "where November 5 was."}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:10", "text": ">> Same direction where you saw the craft"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "initially."}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": ">> Uh, or the light. No, opposite"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:17", "text": "completely opposite. Yeah, we saw it"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:20", "text": "east of the right November control"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:23", "text": ">> and now November 5 is back in that"}, {"start": "00:46:20", "end": "00:46:26", "text": "direction. So this went was here to the"}, {"start": "00:46:23", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "east and then it was there November 5th."}, {"start": "00:46:26", "end": "00:46:29", "text": ">> Same color."}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": ">> No different. No, I didn't see a light"}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "as I saw in the sky. This was like a"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "pulsating energy coming up off the"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "ground or coming"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:38", "text": ">> up through the atmosphere. And it was a"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:38", "text": "clear night. So there were no clouds or"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "anything."}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:43", "text": ">> So you're seeing kind of just the the"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:46", "text": "fall off of the light over the horizon."}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:46", "text": ">> Like a pulsation like it was pulsing."}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:50", "text": ">> Like it was like this pulsing. And it"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "was very bright and it was it was large,"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "but I didn't, you know, I couldn't get"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "any I didn't see a a confining um"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "shape of it. It was just like a light"}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:03", "text": "that you that you'd stand over there in"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "that corner and just hit a flashlight"}, {"start": "00:47:03", "end": "00:47:08", "text": "and it's pulsing light up is like that."}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:10", "text": ">> And I said, \"Hey, Michael, you see"}, {"start": "00:47:08", "end": "00:47:13", "text": "that?\" And of course, he's driving. He's"}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "not about to look. He see what man, you"}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:16", "text": "know, something like that."}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:21", "text": "So, so Highway 79, take a right."}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:23", "text": "Soon as we got up on top of that roaded"}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:25", "text": "and turned to the right, then that 4:00"}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:27", "text": "now became the one 130 position, right?"}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:29", "text": "And then you could really see it cuz we"}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:30", "text": "were up higher now. Not much higher, but"}, {"start": "00:47:29", "end": "00:47:32", "text": "high enough where you could see that"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:34", "text": "pulsation. And I said, \"That right"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:35", "text": "there, do you see that?\" And he just"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:37", "text": "goes, \"Man, whatever.\" He said, \"I"}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "don't, you know, I don't know.\" He just"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:41", "text": "didn't want to participate or"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:43", "text": "acknowledge in anything that could be"}, {"start": "00:47:41", "end": "00:47:45", "text": "other than ordinary. And do you think"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:47", "text": "that's because he's not familiar with"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:48", "text": "what goes on out there? And so maybe"}, {"start": "00:47:47", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "he's thinking to himself, it's probably"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:52", "text": "just normal and you know, I just don't"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:54", "text": "know about it."}, {"start": "00:47:52", "end": "00:47:56", "text": ">> Well, it might be, but he'd been there"}, {"start": "00:47:54", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "for a while at Ellsworth and been in"}, {"start": "00:47:56", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "security police for a while at Ellsworth"}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:02", "text": ">> and he was in a different area, so he"}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:04", "text": "just really never seen anything. He'd"}, {"start": "00:48:02", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "heard about things, but he'd never"}, {"start": "00:48:04", "end": "00:48:07", "text": "really seen anything to the best of my"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "knowledge from what he told me later, a"}, {"start": "00:48:07", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "few weeks later."}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "as we uh headed down toward Newell,"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:21", "text": "population 230 at the time"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:23", "text": "uh to a stop sign and took a right as it"}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:25", "text": "I lost view of that pulsating light as"}, {"start": "00:48:23", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "it as a road bed got lower down into"}, {"start": "00:48:25", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "town, right? and turn right on Orman"}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:33", "text": "Road, O R M, and it goes out on hard"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "pave for about I don't know, maybe a"}, {"start": "00:48:33", "end": "00:48:37", "text": "half a mile or less, and it drops back"}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:40", "text": "off on dirt again or clay. And they're"}, {"start": "00:48:37", "end": "00:48:42", "text": "really well maintained by the state and"}, {"start": "00:48:40", "end": "00:48:43", "text": "they're beautiful. You can go 80 mph on"}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "these things, you know. I mean, you"}, {"start": "00:48:43", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "really can't."}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "And as we made that"}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:52", "text": "dog leg left turn heading to November 5,"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "which was just down the road, maybe"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:57", "text": "another mile, there sat this object in"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "the atmosphere directly over that"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:02", "text": "missile site, maybe 10 ft above the"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:04", "text": "blast door. That was a size, and I'm"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "going to say it is the Super Walmart."}, {"start": "00:49:04", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "This thing was gargantuan. And it wasn't"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "a craft that had a shape or a um"}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:15", "text": "defining"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:17", "text": "shape like wings and and uh you know"}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:19", "text": "rudders or"}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:21", "text": "windshields or anything like that. It"}, {"start": "00:49:19", "end": "00:49:23", "text": "was a complete sphere and it looked like"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:26", "text": "it had"}, {"start": "00:49:23", "end": "00:49:27", "text": "plasma on the outside of it. Like a"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:30", "text": "roing surface."}, {"start": "00:49:27", "end": "00:49:32", "text": ">> Mhm. Like it looked like the sun. It"}, {"start": "00:49:30", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "looked like the surface of a close-up"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "picture of the sun. like this stuff was"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:42", "text": "like liquid and and fire and energy all"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "together just mol like like like molten"}, {"start": "00:49:42", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "rock or something just moving around."}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "And it did have some little"}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:52", "text": "it had some like uh"}, {"start": "00:49:53", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "energy spikes on it at times like like"}, {"start": "00:49:56", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "these my little spikes would just kind"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:02", "text": "of pop up. I mean, when you really"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "looked at and it was it was almost hard"}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "to look at, but I did. I did very as"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "hard as I could. I really tried to look"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:14", "text": "at it. And"}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "when we pulled up right on the cattle"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "gate in front of the site, it was only"}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:20", "text": "maybe 60 to 80 ft to the front gate,"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:23", "text": "which is which was requirement that I"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:24", "text": "had to go in. I had to go around the"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:27", "text": "exterior of the site and go in the gates"}, {"start": "00:50:24", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "and go on the interior."}, {"start": "00:50:27", "end": "00:50:29", "text": "normal procedure"}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:32", "text": ">> just for patrolling."}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:36", "text": ">> Yeah. And this thing was so massive that"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:38", "text": "where it sat how it sat 10 ft above that"}, {"start": "00:50:36", "end": "00:50:40", "text": "blast door. I mean right day on dead in"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:41", "text": "the middle of that blast door like it"}, {"start": "00:50:40", "end": "00:50:42", "text": "knew where it was."}, {"start": "00:50:41", "end": "00:50:44", "text": ">> When you say a blast door"}, {"start": "00:50:42", "end": "00:50:46", "text": ">> that's protects the rocket."}, {"start": "00:50:44", "end": "00:50:47", "text": ">> That's what that's the rocket comes out."}, {"start": "00:50:46", "end": "00:50:50", "text": ">> Mhm. The ICBM"}, {"start": "00:50:47", "end": "00:50:52", "text": ">> that blows back. Yeah. When the ICBM is"}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "launched, that blows back and it's on"}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:56", "text": "it's on like a railroad track that's"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:50:58", "text": "short and it blows it and tips it and"}, {"start": "00:50:56", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "gets it out the way immediately. There's"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "no pull and back. It's it's gone"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:04", "text": ">> and it's dead center over the top."}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:06", "text": ">> Dead center directly over top of it. And"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "I mean, I even looked at the concrete"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "glowing underneath it, meaning so"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:13", "text": "bright, you know, because of of the what"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:16", "text": "was above it."}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "I looked at Michael and and he was just"}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:23", "text": "like with a he had like a glow around"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "him all all of a sudden and and it was"}, {"start": "00:51:23", "end": "00:51:27", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:29", "text": "I mean this is very hard to perceive you"}, {"start": "00:51:27", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "know when you pull up on something on"}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:34", "text": "that this happened it's very difficult"}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:37", "text": "to perceive what you're seeing and"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:40", "text": "immediately the atmosphere was just"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:43", "text": "evacuated from our vehicle."}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:48", "text": ">> Can't breathe."}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:53", "text": "I know it's because of that crowd."}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:54", "text": "Taking all the atmosphere away"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:56", "text": "immediately. What do you mean? I"}, {"start": "00:51:54", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "couldn't breathe. He couldn't either. We"}, {"start": "00:51:56", "end": "00:52:00", "text": "were just gasping for air. just gasping"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "for air and I felt like there was a"}, {"start": "00:52:00", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "pressure inside the vehicle and I was"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:09", "text": "being pushed on the chest and literally"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:12", "text": "lit and I had on, you know, I had on"}, {"start": "00:52:09", "end": "00:52:15", "text": "parka pants, a full full parker, my"}, {"start": "00:52:12", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "beret on, my glove, I had my gloves on."}, {"start": "00:52:15", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "I took one glove off"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:21", "text": "um and my weapon"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "and I just felt like I was being and I"}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:28", "text": "was 200 and something. I was just being"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:31", "text": "lifted up into that back area of the cab"}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "of that truck. Just just being lifted up"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "with no visible force or anything upon"}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:38", "text": "me. I was just I couldn't breathe and I"}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:40", "text": "was being pulled up this way and just"}, {"start": "00:52:38", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "like in this chair just being pulled up"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "or something."}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:50", "text": "And the only thing that I knew to do was"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "to ask for relief. And I grabbed a black"}, {"start": "00:52:50", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "3D del aluminum flashlight."}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:58", "text": "I've called it a Mag Light, but I know"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:01", "text": "they didn't do commercial maglight"}, {"start": "00:52:58", "end": "00:53:03", "text": "advertising till 79. This was in 77, so"}, {"start": "00:53:01", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "was before it was ever named a Mag"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "Light."}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "And I rolled the window down and I"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:11", "text": "pulled myself up on that on the window"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "sill of that truck cuz I was so afraid I"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "I couldn't I wouldn't step out of the"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "vehicle. I got on bunny boots. Also, I"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "don't if you know what those are, but"}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:19", "text": "those are for super cold temperature"}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "areas."}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "They're inflatable. And uh I pull myself"}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:28", "text": "up on that window sill and I I grabbed"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:30", "text": "onto the bubble up there with my had a"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:33", "text": "gloved hand on here and I didn't have a"}, {"start": "00:53:30", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "glove on this hand and I just flashed my"}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:38", "text": "light at this incredibly huge object"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:40", "text": "three or four times just like I did back"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:43", "text": "at November control. I don't even know"}, {"start": "00:53:40", "end": "00:53:46", "text": "why I did it. I was just asking for"}, {"start": "00:53:43", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "relief in my mind. I was asking for"}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "relief."}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:57", "text": "Flash. Flash."}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:57", "text": ">> Okay. I don't even know what this is."}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "So the is the And I did it for a couple"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:04", "text": "times"}, {"start": "00:54:06", "end": "00:54:11", "text": "and it was just as if somebody turned"}, {"start": "00:54:08", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "the faucet off. I just I slid back down"}, {"start": "00:54:11", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "in that seat and um I don't know what"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "happened to my flashlight. I grabbed my"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "I grabbed my gun. I grabbed my weapon."}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:20", "text": "And I put it back between my legs and I"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:22", "text": "told Michael Johnson, I said, \"It's"}, {"start": "00:54:20", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "going to be okay now.\" And could breathe"}, {"start": "00:54:22", "end": "00:54:27", "text": "better. Could literally breathe better."}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "All this has taken place in about 15"}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "seconds since I rolled up there. And"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "then a black ball about the size of that"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:39", "text": "wall right there. What do you think is 8"}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "foot?"}, {"start": "00:54:39", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "It had these lines on it like vents."}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:48", "text": "They weren't like a like a"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:51", "text": "It was like I have to say it was like"}, {"start": "00:54:48", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "omnidirectional."}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:55", "text": "It just came out of nowhere. And it was"}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "a color black that it's not like that"}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "black or that black. It was a black that"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:03", "text": "is very difficult to to describe. It"}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:04", "text": "wasn't flat black. Wasn't gloss black."}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:07", "text": "It was just black."}, {"start": "00:55:04", "end": "00:55:10", "text": ">> It's like a little It's like a"}, {"start": "00:55:07", "end": "00:55:12", "text": "basketball with nozzles all around."}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:14", "text": "these little like sorts of gas would"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:16", "text": "shoot from each side of it. It flip it"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "and it push it and move it and go up and"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "come down and go have go it go"}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "everywhere. It was just like a little"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "like a big bullet or something. I don't"}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:26", "text": ">> Did it make any sense what it was trying"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:29", "text": "to do?"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:33", "text": ">> No, it was just on top of his right left"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "of me on the side of him around me."}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:37", "text": ">> Did you uh smell anything?"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:40", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:42", "text": "And uh it came within about 8 in of the"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:44", "text": "hood of that vehicle and it was"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "literally right here in front of the"}, {"start": "00:55:44", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "windshield"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "and it uh it shot straight up straight"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:59", "text": "down around the side right here next to"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "me. I mean there's no you don't even you"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "don't know what uh what it is on the"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "other side of Michael Johnson side. He"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:06", "text": "never he's not speaking nor saying"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:08", "text": "anything. And I mean, I'm not saying"}, {"start": "00:56:06", "end": "00:56:12", "text": "anything."}, {"start": "00:56:08", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "And when it stayed for 8 or 10 seconds"}, {"start": "00:56:12", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "and then it was just gone."}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "Uh,"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "it was the strangest feeling to have"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "that thing all over you and not even"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "know what it was. Don't know where it"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:30", "text": "came from. Never recognized or seen"}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:32", "text": "anything like that in my entire life. If"}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:34", "text": "and the word drone was not even thought"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:36", "text": "about then or used especially in in any"}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:39", "text": "of my vocabulary anyone else's in"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:42", "text": "security police that I knew of seem"}, {"start": "00:56:39", "end": "00:56:45", "text": "small object"}, {"start": "00:56:42", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "in front of the vehicle"}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "and really nothing I've ever seen."}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> Can you describe it?"}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:55", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:55", "text": "It was"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "2 and 1/2 to 3 ft diaper"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:07", "text": "and it was like a little ball."}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:10", "text": "I don't know what else to say."}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:13", "text": ">> Okay, let's let's pause for a second."}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:16", "text": "Let's pause for a second. Mario,"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:20", "text": ">> Mario, you need to calm down."}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:23", "text": "Take a deep breath."}, {"start": "00:57:20", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "and uh"}, {"start": "00:57:23", "end": "00:57:28", "text": "it left and it seemed like it was a"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "void. There was like 45 seconds where"}, {"start": "00:57:28", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "there was just nothing but pure white"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:35", "text": "light inside the vehicle and it just"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:37", "text": "seemed as if if I can describe it as"}, {"start": "00:57:35", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "time slowing down. And the reason I say"}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "that because the brightness was so"}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:47", "text": "was so intense that I could I could I"}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "could see inside the vents"}, {"start": "00:57:47", "end": "00:57:52", "text": "of that of that F-150. I could see down"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "inside the vents. It was just lit up a"}, {"start": "00:57:52", "end": "00:57:58", "text": "foot and a half down in the dashboard"}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "from this light and dust particles were"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "just moving past me like super super"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:06", "text": "slow"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "as if time was just stopped or slowed"}, {"start": "00:58:06", "end": "00:58:10", "text": "down."}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:12", "text": "I have no idea how that's even done or"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "if that's what happened, but that's the"}, {"start": "00:58:12", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "way it appeared to me. And Michael"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "Johnson, I can't speak for because every"}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:20", "text": "time I looked at him, he was just he was"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:23", "text": "just stuck to that steering wheel and he"}, {"start": "00:58:20", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "was just bathed in this light. And mind"}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:29", "text": "you, now we're at a 45 degree angle."}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:30", "text": "That's our response"}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:32", "text": "position."}, {"start": "00:58:30", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "So, actually, he was closer to the to"}, {"start": "00:58:32", "end": "00:58:37", "text": "the craft or to the object than I was."}, {"start": "00:58:35", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "It was on his side of the vehicle. I was"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "on the dark side."}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:58:45", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "I see I see I see this this dust coming"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "by me and I see all these I don't see"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:54", "text": "shadows. I see"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:59:01", "text": "everything is so lit that I can put"}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "myself right there right now and uh and"}, {"start": "00:59:01", "end": "00:59:05", "text": "it's it's uh it's very it's really"}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:09", "text": "uncomfortable"}, {"start": "00:59:05", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "but everything is so lit that I've never"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:14", "text": "experienced light lightning or any"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:17", "text": "search light or anything like that in my"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "life and it's I think that light in"}, {"start": "00:59:17", "end": "00:59:21", "text": "itself"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:24", "text": "had a function"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:26", "text": "of what I don't know. Maybe some type of"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "a"}, {"start": "00:59:26", "end": "00:59:33", "text": "a sedative type thing"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:35", "text": "because not one time did I did I feel as"}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "if, you know, I was going to charge my"}, {"start": "00:59:35", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "weapon and start just shooting at"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:44", "text": "anything or everything. I I I never felt"}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "that way. I um I wanted to run, but"}, {"start": "00:59:44", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "there was nowhere to run. You were that"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "and or or a mess yourself."}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "Literally, that's the kind of fear that"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "that this invoked to me. I can't speak"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "00:59:58", "text": "for anyone else."}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "And and these thoughts of what I'm"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "describing, I'm pulling up there. Less"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "than probably two and a half, three"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:09", "text": "minutes have passed and all this has"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "taken place. And I'm I'm guessing there"}, {"start": "01:00:09", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "I'm just saying that that's how quickly"}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:15", "text": "this all unraveled. It's"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:19", "text": ">> still a long time."}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:19", "text": ">> Yeah. And then this smell"}, {"start": "01:00:19", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "It hit me like a blanket"}, {"start": "01:00:22", "end": "01:00:28", "text": "and it uh"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:30", "text": "it just co it just coated inside my"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:32", "text": "nostrils and in my lungs in my throat."}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:35", "text": "It just coats me like ammonia and"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:37", "text": "sulfur. Just it just uh it takes your"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:41", "text": "your complete attention for everything"}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "else. You don't I've never uh smelled"}, {"start": "01:00:41", "end": "01:00:47", "text": "anything quite like it again. some"}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "something similar in a in a in a cooler"}, {"start": "01:00:47", "end": "01:00:51", "text": "with some shrimp going bad that was"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "opened pungent."}, {"start": "01:00:51", "end": "01:00:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:52", "end": "01:00:56", "text": ">> Was it like chemical?"}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:00:58", "text": ">> I can only say ammonia cuz I mean I"}, {"start": "01:00:56", "end": "01:01:00", "text": "worked around all these laboratories and"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "and different areas like even where I"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:05", "text": "work now uh in Georgia Pacific. It it's"}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "you know you smell these smells and you"}, {"start": "01:01:05", "end": "01:01:10", "text": "and it sting your nose."}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, that did. It just coated. It"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "just felt like I was coated. I couldn't"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:17", "text": "get it out of me, you know, at all."}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "And as soon as that was gone,"}, {"start": "01:01:17", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "I I or it wasn't really gone. It was"}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:25", "text": "still there. It permeated inside of that"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:25", "text": "truck."}, {"start": "01:01:27", "end": "01:01:31", "text": "I knew the only thing protecting me on"}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "my right side was that thin piece of"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:35", "text": "glass on that window. And I don't even"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:38", "text": "know where that where that thought came"}, {"start": "01:01:35", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "from, but that's what I thought."}, {"start": "01:01:38", "end": "01:01:43", "text": "And then I started to fear. And as soon"}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:47", "text": "as I started to fear is when I heard the"}, {"start": "01:01:43", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "first word, do not fear. Do not fear."}, {"start": "01:01:47", "end": "01:01:53", "text": "Not verbally inside of me. Like I don't"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:55", "text": "just mean in my head. I mean through me."}, {"start": "01:01:53", "end": "01:01:58", "text": "Through every cell in my body radiated"}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "the sound the exact same time."}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:01", "text": ">> And it was a in English it was three"}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:03", "text": "words."}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:04", "text": ">> Do not fear. Do not fear. Said in that"}, {"start": "01:02:03", "end": "01:02:06", "text": "way"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:10", "text": ">> do not fear. If you had to describe the"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:11", "text": "voice, male or indescribable?"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:14", "text": ">> Indescribable."}, {"start": "01:02:11", "end": "01:02:16", "text": "It it just it it's not like anything"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:19", "text": "we've ever heard. The only thing that I"}, {"start": "01:02:16", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "can associate with it is when a father"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:26", "text": "or a or a sibling would talk to a baby"}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:29", "text": "in a in a mother's womb. That's the only"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "thing that I can associate with with how"}, {"start": "01:02:29", "end": "01:02:33", "text": "it would feel because baby hear a baby"}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:36", "text": "hears those things. he hears or she"}, {"start": "01:02:33", "end": "01:02:38", "text": "hears those sounds in a mother's womb"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:41", "text": "when when the father or you know is"}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:43", "text": "talking to him you know"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "like all of us dads do like all of us"}, {"start": "01:02:43", "end": "01:02:51", "text": "dads do we've all done that"}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:55", "text": ">> and it always reminded me of that and"}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:58", "text": "I heard that twice do not fear do not"}, {"start": "01:02:55", "end": "01:03:00", "text": "fear and I just turned and I looked to"}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:03:05", "text": "my right cuz I felt a presence and about"}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:09", "text": "20t away from Okay. Were were four"}, {"start": "01:03:05", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "beings, three small and one tall. And"}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:16", "text": "the one on the on the right,"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "now the one on the left, it would be I"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:21", "text": "was just looking from their point of"}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "view. The one on the right, he had they"}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:25", "text": "had on these real skintight little"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:27", "text": "fitting"}, {"start": "01:03:25", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "I don't they're not coveralls. They're"}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:29", "text": ">> jumpsuits."}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:31", "text": ">> Jumpsuit. I don't know what. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "01:03:29", "end": "01:03:33", "text": "guess they're they're but they're real"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:37", "text": "skin tight. And he had a waistband of"}, {"start": "01:03:33", "end": "01:03:40", "text": "some type. And in that band was a stick"}, {"start": "01:03:37", "end": "01:03:43", "text": "about that long and it had a yellow tip"}, {"start": "01:03:40", "end": "01:03:46", "text": "on it about that big."}, {"start": "01:03:43", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "Besides what I was looking at,"}, {"start": "01:03:46", "end": "01:03:53", "text": "that's really what what I paid attention"}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "to. And it honestly it wasn't what I was"}, {"start": "01:03:53", "end": "01:04:01", "text": "looking at and four alien beings and"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:03", "text": "their smells and their talking within"}, {"start": "01:04:01", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "me."}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:10", "text": "It was when I realized what I was"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "looking at is when in here just kind of"}, {"start": "01:04:10", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "broke down for a second."}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "Three, four of them."}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:28", "text": ">> Can you describe them from the shadows?"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:28", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:34", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "Mario, let's let's back off again."}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:40", "text": ">> I knew there was no escape."}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:42", "text": "And there was no sense in saying"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:44", "text": "anything or doing anything. I don't know"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:45", "text": "what Michael Johnson was doing at that"}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "particular time."}, {"start": "01:04:45", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "The next thing I know, I heard, \"Do not"}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "fear,\" one more time in succession"}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:57", "text": "and lights out."}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:59", "text": "Just that fast. Just lights out."}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:02", "text": ">> So, how tall is the tall one?"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:04", "text": ">> Six foot baby."}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "He's different."}, {"start": "01:05:04", "end": "01:05:08", "text": ">> Can you describe him?"}, {"start": "01:05:09", "end": "01:05:15", "text": "He had a long head."}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:18", "text": "He had a very long head."}, {"start": "01:05:15", "end": "01:05:20", "text": "And he looked at me. He just flew right"}, {"start": "01:05:18", "end": "01:05:22", "text": "through me."}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:26", "text": "And the little guys didn't bother me"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "like he did."}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "Look through me or something."}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:32", "text": ">> He looked through you?"}, {"start": "01:05:31", "end": "01:05:35", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:37", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "And the small ones didn't bother you?"}, {"start": "01:05:37", "end": "01:05:46", "text": ">> They were right up to me."}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "the little the little unifor"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:52", "text": "them. I didn't fear them."}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:55", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:05:57", "text": ">> They told me not to."}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:01", "text": "I didn't fear them."}, {"start": "01:05:57", "end": "01:06:04", "text": ">> And as soon as soon as I couldn't see"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:07", "text": "anymore or I was out sleep or whatever I"}, {"start": "01:06:04", "end": "01:06:08", "text": "was, I just took a deep breath and I"}, {"start": "01:06:07", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "just popped awake and I'm in total"}, {"start": "01:06:08", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "blackness."}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:21", "text": "No lights, no missile sight,"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:23", "text": "completely uh away from where we were."}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:24", "text": "Didn't know that at the time. I just"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:27", "text": "thought they'd turn all our lights off"}, {"start": "01:06:24", "end": "01:06:30", "text": "on November 5 cuz that's where we were"}, {"start": "01:06:27", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "dispatched to because of this alarm."}, {"start": "01:06:30", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "And I said, \"Hey, Michael.\" I said,"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "\"What what happened? What's going on? He"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:39", "text": "is stuck to this steering wheel just"}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:40", "text": "glued to it"}, {"start": "01:06:39", "end": "01:06:44", "text": "and he wouldn't talk to me. He wouldn't"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:47", "text": "answer me."}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:50", "text": "November one the control. I said I got a"}, {"start": "01:06:47", "end": "01:06:52", "text": "problem with Sergeant Johnson. I said I"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:54", "text": "can't get him to speak to me or"}, {"start": "01:06:52", "end": "01:06:58", "text": "acknowledge me. I said I don't know"}, {"start": "01:06:54", "end": "01:07:01", "text": "where the hell we are. And I I I found"}, {"start": "01:06:58", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "that so odd that"}, {"start": "01:07:01", "end": "01:07:05", "text": "a grown man like you sitting there and"}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:06", "text": "me hollering at him that whatever stuper"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:08", "text": "he's in, he's going to eventually hear"}, {"start": "01:07:06", "end": "01:07:12", "text": "me."}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:15", "text": "Pushed his face with my index finger. I"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:17", "text": "put my finger in his ear about that far,"}, {"start": "01:07:15", "end": "01:07:21", "text": "thinking that would shock him or"}, {"start": "01:07:17", "end": "01:07:23", "text": "something, but it had no effect. And I"}, {"start": "01:07:21", "end": "01:07:24", "text": "turned to my right and I looked as and I"}, {"start": "01:07:23", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "was still thinking about what I had just"}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "seen. Thinking maybe this is all a dream"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:33", "text": "that this this didn't really happen. And"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "there's a white wall and it goes up at"}, {"start": "01:07:33", "end": "01:07:38", "text": "about a 45 degree angle."}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:43", "text": "I know I use a lot of degrees, but I"}, {"start": "01:07:38", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "live that way. And uh and it was wiped"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:51", "text": "and it went up about 50 ft. It wasn't an"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:53", "text": "angular it was at an angle."}, {"start": "01:07:51", "end": "01:07:54", "text": "So I said, \"Where are we? Where?\" I"}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:55", "text": "said, \"What happened? Where is November"}, {"start": "01:07:54", "end": "01:07:58", "text": "5?\" And I'm saying this to Michael"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "Johnson and nothing from him. I reached"}, {"start": "01:07:58", "end": "01:08:03", "text": "down and pulled a lever on the door"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "handle and I stepped out in mud. And"}, {"start": "01:08:03", "end": "01:08:07", "text": "mind you, it was 9 to 13 degrees and"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:10", "text": "there was ice on the ground. And where"}, {"start": "01:08:07", "end": "01:08:12", "text": "we were, it wasn't. And I didn't know"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:15", "text": "where we were. I'd never been there"}, {"start": "01:08:12", "end": "01:08:17", "text": "before. So I'm in question with him. I'm"}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:20", "text": "trying to pull him and and yank him and"}, {"start": "01:08:17", "end": "01:08:22", "text": "talk to him and didn't even think about"}, {"start": "01:08:20", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "the radio or nothing. And we had not"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:26", "text": "made any kind of security check since we"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:29", "text": "arrived on November 5, which was really"}, {"start": "01:08:26", "end": "01:08:32", "text": "unusual because that alarm dictated that"}, {"start": "01:08:29", "end": "01:08:34", "text": "we made a security check every 5 minutes"}, {"start": "01:08:32", "end": "01:08:37", "text": "during the process of that what's called"}, {"start": "01:08:34", "end": "01:08:40", "text": "striking a site."}, {"start": "01:08:37", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "And uh I thought I'm in trouble now. You"}, {"start": "01:08:40", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "know, that's that's all I could think of"}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "everything else. I'm in trouble now."}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:53", "text": "Uh, a few seconds passed and all of a"}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:57", "text": "sudden the radio just cracked alive and"}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:59", "text": "it said said WSC to November 1. Do you"}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:01", "text": "copy? And I looked at Michael and I"}, {"start": "01:08:59", "end": "01:09:03", "text": "thought, well, here's a friendly voice."}, {"start": "01:09:01", "end": "01:09:04", "text": "It was a wing security control back at"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "Ellsworth. Now, these launch control"}, {"start": "01:09:04", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "facilities are very they're very far"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:11", "text": "away from the main base of Ellsworth."}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "You live at these facilities, launch"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:15", "text": "control facilities. There's 15 of them"}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:17", "text": "at Ellsworth or there were for with a"}, {"start": "01:09:15", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "total of 150 missiles. Each launch"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:22", "text": "control facility has 10 minute man"}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:24", "text": "missiles assigned to it. And you go and"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "you take care of all 10 of those that"}, {"start": "01:09:24", "end": "01:09:29", "text": "are in your area or you serve as backup"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:32", "text": "to any other area that may need your"}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:35", "text": "that may need you."}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "So I continued to try to wake him up and"}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "I said I said uh Aaron Woods uh WSC I"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:47", "text": "said it's November 1. He said are you"}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:51", "text": "are he goes are you hurt? And I said no"}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:56", "text": "sir. He goes what's your status? And I"}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "said I'm not sure. I'm not sure. And uh"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "he said again he goes do you need"}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:02", "text": "medical attention or something like"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "that? And I said, \"I don't, but I\" I"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "said, \"I can't get my partner, Michael"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:07", "text": "Johnson, to talk to me.\" I said, \"He's"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:10", "text": "just frozen to the steering wheel and"}, {"start": "01:10:07", "end": "01:10:13", "text": "won't move.\" And there was a long pause."}, {"start": "01:10:10", "end": "01:10:14", "text": "He didn't really know how to He didn't"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "know what to say about that. I mean,"}, {"start": "01:10:14", "end": "01:10:18", "text": "these things are all new. You just got"}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:20", "text": "to go with it as it comes at you. You"}, {"start": "01:10:18", "end": "01:10:24", "text": "can't There's really not a procedure"}, {"start": "01:10:20", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "that I knew of that you had guidelines"}, {"start": "01:10:24", "end": "01:10:28", "text": "to follow, unlike striking a site or"}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:29", "text": "something like that, which we had strict"}, {"start": "01:10:28", "end": "01:10:31", "text": "guidelines. And that was my biggest"}, {"start": "01:10:29", "end": "01:10:33", "text": "worry is I never stepped a foot on that"}, {"start": "01:10:31", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "site and that you know and I was"}, {"start": "01:10:33", "end": "01:10:37", "text": "responsible for that. So"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "I was going to be in trouble. That's all"}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "I could think about was I was going to"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "be in trouble and how was I going to"}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "explain this? You know"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:43", "text": ">> you and Michael?"}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:45", "text": ">> Yeah. How's I going to explain this? And"}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "I couldn't get him to say a word. I"}, {"start": "01:10:45", "end": "01:10:48", "text": "didn't know what he thought or what he"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "heard or what he didn't hear. I you know"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:54", "text": "I'm still shaken from what I've heard"}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:56", "text": "and what I saw and what I smelled with"}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:59", "text": "that's never left me."}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:11:03", "text": "I want to pause here and just go back a"}, {"start": "01:10:59", "end": "01:11:04", "text": "little bit to the encounter."}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:07", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:11:04", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "when you saw Clearly, this is hard for"}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "you to talk about."}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:09", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:11", "text": ">> I see that."}, {"start": "01:11:09", "end": "01:11:13", "text": ">> It gets me. I try not to let it bother"}, {"start": "01:11:11", "end": "01:11:14", "text": "me, but it it just comes upon me."}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:15", "text": ">> How can you not?"}, {"start": "01:11:14", "end": "01:11:18", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:20", "text": ">> And I mean, this is otherworldly. I"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:22", "text": "mean, there's there's no other way to"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "put it. And you know, any way that you"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:25", "text": "feel about it, there's no protocol"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:28", "text": ">> for how you're supposed to feel about"}, {"start": "01:11:25", "end": "01:11:30", "text": "these things. So, you know, but it is"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:34", "text": "clear to me that you have an emotional"}, {"start": "01:11:30", "end": "01:11:38", "text": "reaction to reliving this. Um, when you"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:40", "text": "saw Michael Johnson's face as he was"}, {"start": "01:11:38", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "being bathed in this light in the car,"}, {"start": "01:11:40", "end": "01:11:49", "text": "what was his expression? Wide eyes,"}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:50", "text": "breathing normal, just wide eyes. That's"}, {"start": "01:11:49", "end": "01:11:53", "text": "really all I could tell from"}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:55", "text": ">> Was his mouth open? Was he just"}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:56", "text": ">> No, no, I don't remember his mouth was"}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "open. It was a little bit later, but it"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:00", "text": "wasn't then. Do"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:03", "text": ">> you feel like he was just in shock?"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:05", "text": ">> He was just like"}, {"start": "01:12:03", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "stuck in time or something. I don't"}, {"start": "01:12:05", "end": "01:12:08", "text": ">> Frozen."}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:10", "text": ">> Yeah, he was just frozen. He was just"}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:13", "text": "literally locked up. And you know, and"}, {"start": "01:12:10", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "and I got to say, I didn't pay attention"}, {"start": "01:12:13", "end": "01:12:17", "text": "to his arms cuz I really couldn't see"}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "him at that time and his hands. But"}, {"start": "01:12:17", "end": "01:12:20", "text": "pulling his jacket back when we got him"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:23", "text": "up when I got him off the steering"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "wheel, he was so he was so locked up."}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:28", "text": "Uh, literally,"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "how long had he been stuck on that"}, {"start": "01:12:28", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "steering wheel like that? How do you how"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "do you grab onto something and not let"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:39", "text": "go for however long it was"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:42", "text": "and not be aware of it? for one and for"}, {"start": "01:12:39", "end": "01:12:44", "text": "two. It It was almost as if we were"}, {"start": "01:12:42", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "going to break a finger getting his"}, {"start": "01:12:44", "end": "01:12:50", "text": "hands on off that blue plastic F-154"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "steering wheel literally. And I had help"}, {"start": "01:12:50", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "doing that."}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:57", "text": ">> Okay. So, take me back then. You're"}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:12:59", "text": "you're being radioed in. First of all,"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:02", "text": "the radio calling in. Did you ever"}, {"start": "01:12:59", "end": "01:13:03", "text": "wonder how long have they been trying to"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:03", "text": "reach us?"}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:05", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:13:03", "end": "01:13:05", "text": ">> Did you ever get an answer to that?"}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:07", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:13:05", "end": "01:13:09", "text": ">> No. So it could have been the first time"}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:10", "text": "like you could have just maybe appeared"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:12", "text": "and they're like, \"Oh, what are you guys"}, {"start": "01:13:10", "end": "01:13:13", "text": "doing out there?\" Like there's no way"}, {"start": "01:13:12", "end": "01:13:14", "text": ">> that you can know that."}, {"start": "01:13:13", "end": "01:13:16", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:18", "text": ">> Okay. And so"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:20", "text": ">> you get radioed in, they send help."}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:20", "text": "Well, first you got to find out where"}, {"start": "01:13:20", "end": "01:13:23", "text": "you are."}, {"start": "01:13:20", "end": "01:13:23", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:13:24", "end": "01:13:27", "text": "When I stepped out and found out I was"}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:29", "text": "in standing in mud, I just had great"}, {"start": "01:13:27", "end": "01:13:31", "text": "questions that I couldn't even begin to"}, {"start": "01:13:29", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "answer with everything else that had"}, {"start": "01:13:31", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "just gone on. And I kept trying to talk"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "to him. And then wing security control"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "said we want you to make one minute"}, {"start": "01:13:36", "end": "01:13:40", "text": "security checks because we are going to"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:41", "text": "triangulate your position. He didn't say"}, {"start": "01:13:40", "end": "01:13:44", "text": "we were doing it. He said we are going"}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "to triangulate your position. And I'd"}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:48", "text": "never been a part of that or know had I"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:50", "text": "not done done it either. But we learned"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "something similar to that in tech school"}, {"start": "01:13:50", "end": "01:13:55", "text": "security police tech school. Just never"}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:57", "text": "used it. Never thought it would or you"}, {"start": "01:13:55", "end": "01:13:59", "text": "know but it was there in case it had to"}, {"start": "01:13:57", "end": "01:14:01", "text": "be used. So he was doing that based on"}, {"start": "01:13:59", "end": "01:14:03", "text": "his one minute security checks that I"}, {"start": "01:14:01", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "had. I just call in, you know, and say,"}, {"start": "01:14:03", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "\"Senior Emerald Woods, wing security"}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:09", "text": "control, security check.\" And he just"}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:10", "text": "104 that he said, \"They're coming."}, {"start": "01:14:09", "end": "01:14:11", "text": "They're coming. They're coming. You"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:12", "text": "know, we're trying. We're trying.\" And"}, {"start": "01:14:11", "end": "01:14:14", "text": "that's that's the response I got back"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:16", "text": "and forth from him. And of course, he he"}, {"start": "01:14:14", "end": "01:14:18", "text": "kept asking me about Michael Johnson,"}, {"start": "01:14:16", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "you know, do you see do you know, can"}, {"start": "01:14:18", "end": "01:14:21", "text": "can you get him on the radio? I said, \"I"}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:22", "text": "can't get him off the steering wheel. I"}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:24", "text": "can't get him to speak. I can't get him"}, {"start": "01:14:22", "end": "01:14:26", "text": "to do anything.\" And there was a great"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "pause in that. I don't know you know"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:30", "text": "because"}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:31", "text": "all the all the wing security control"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:34", "text": "personnel listen to that all the"}, {"start": "01:14:31", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "security police personnel listen to that"}, {"start": "01:14:34", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "all of them through all three facilities"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "through all see three sites I mean"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "through all three areas the 66 67 68 so"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:50", "text": "everybody was aware of it"}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:54", "text": "what I was not aware of is where I was"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:56", "text": "and how we got there"}, {"start": "01:14:54", "end": "01:15:00", "text": "and it started getting Right now, we"}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:02", "text": "arrived November 5 before 1:00 a.m."}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:04", "text": "preferably right around 12:304 to 1"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:06", "text": "somewhere in there when all this took"}, {"start": "01:15:04", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "place."}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:12", "text": "When I looked at my little old military"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "time, $20 watch back then,"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "it was after 6:00 a.m."}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:21", "text": "So, almost 6 hours. 5 hours at least had"}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "passed. 5 hours."}, {"start": "01:15:21", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "No recollection how we got there. When"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "did you look at your watch at that"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:27", "text": "point?"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:28", "text": ">> When the sun came up. When"}, {"start": "01:15:27", "end": "01:15:29", "text": ">> So you saw a sun and you were confused."}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:31", "text": ">> I said it doesn't come. It just started"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:33", "text": "getting light in the east and I went,"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:35", "text": "\"What the heck?\" Because"}, {"start": "01:15:33", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "I had no idea this much time had passed."}, {"start": "01:15:35", "end": "01:15:39", "text": "It just seemed It just didn't It just"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "seemed like a second, like a few minutes"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:44", "text": "from where we were to where we are now."}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:44", "text": ">> Did that hit you at all when you saw the"}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "time?"}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:48", "text": ">> Yeah. I was like, \"Oh my god, now I'm"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:52", "text": "really in trouble because we didn't go"}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:52", "text": "on that site."}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "I just knew I was going to answer to a"}, {"start": "01:15:55", "end": "01:15:58", "text": "lot of stuff, you know, right then and"}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:01", "text": "there. And I still couldn't get my"}, {"start": "01:15:58", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "partner, my team leader,"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:06", "text": ">> to do to answer or to be any or"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:10", "text": "cognitive of anything that was going on"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:12", "text": "at all. He just he was just a blank."}, {"start": "01:16:10", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "And it was a little after 6 when I saw"}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:18", "text": "the first set of headlights coming over"}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:20", "text": "a hill. And we were about I guess we're"}, {"start": "01:16:18", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "about four and a half miles off the"}, {"start": "01:16:20", "end": "01:16:24", "text": "road."}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:26", "text": "of Highway 79 behind New Lake Reservoir"}, {"start": "01:16:24", "end": "01:16:28", "text": "Dam."}, {"start": "01:16:26", "end": "01:16:30", "text": "But I do want to know and back up a"}, {"start": "01:16:28", "end": "01:16:33", "text": "little bit to where when I got out of"}, {"start": "01:16:30", "end": "01:16:35", "text": "the vehicle and looked this way and that"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:37", "text": "way, which ended up being north and"}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:40", "text": "south,"}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:42", "text": "the road that we were on, we just This"}, {"start": "01:16:40", "end": "01:16:44", "text": "was a two- wheelel drive vehicle."}, {"start": "01:16:42", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "All of our Fords out there, they were"}, {"start": "01:16:44", "end": "01:16:49", "text": "all two wheel drive vehicles, rear wheel"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "drive. And where we were sitting on this"}, {"start": "01:16:49", "end": "01:16:56", "text": "on this little road behind this dam,"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:58", "text": "there was just wheels wide enough to be"}, {"start": "01:16:56", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "sitting upon. There was not a place to"}, {"start": "01:16:58", "end": "01:17:02", "text": "go in there and turn around than to come"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "back in the direction in which we were"}, {"start": "01:17:02", "end": "01:17:06", "text": "facing. It was the only way we could be"}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:08", "text": "facing to get out of there. If not, we"}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:09", "text": "couldn't we couldn't have gotten our"}, {"start": "01:17:08", "end": "01:17:11", "text": "vehicle out of there. If it had been"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:13", "text": "sitting"}, {"start": "01:17:11", "end": "01:17:15", "text": "east and west,"}, {"start": "01:17:13", "end": "01:17:17", "text": "you couldn't have moved it. And had"}, {"start": "01:17:15", "end": "01:17:19", "text": "Michael Johnson been conscious and"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:21", "text": "opened up his door and it would have"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:24", "text": "been total darkness and took two steps,"}, {"start": "01:17:21", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "he'd have gone down about a 20 or 30"}, {"start": "01:17:24", "end": "01:17:28", "text": "foot drop off, not straight, but just a"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:31", "text": "slant of drop off into another holding"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:35", "text": "pond for that dam"}, {"start": "01:17:31", "end": "01:17:37", "text": "overflow cuz the Weir dam was down to"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:39", "text": "was north of us at the at the far end of"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:40", "text": "New Lake Reservoir Dam."}, {"start": "01:17:39", "end": "01:17:41", "text": ">> But there were tracks coming in."}, {"start": "01:17:40", "end": "01:17:42", "text": ">> There were no tracks."}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:46", "text": ">> There were no tracks coming in."}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:47", "text": ">> No tracks anywhere. So, fresh snow, ice."}, {"start": "01:17:46", "end": "01:17:48", "text": ">> Yeah, it was ice and snow. And there was"}, {"start": "01:17:47", "end": "01:17:49", "text": "no tracks."}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:52", "text": ">> And there was no tracks."}, {"start": "01:17:49", "end": "01:17:56", "text": ">> No tracks. None. Where we were was just"}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:57", "text": "a round place that was dethawed and wet"}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:17:59", "text": "and clay."}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:01", "text": ">> And there was mud around your truck."}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:05", "text": ">> Mud. Yeah. And there was no tracks"}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "coming in for us. when when uh Sergeant"}, {"start": "01:18:05", "end": "01:18:09", "text": "Garza, he was a buck sergeant, and him"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "and his team member, they were from they"}, {"start": "01:18:09", "end": "01:18:13", "text": "were a backup alert team from another"}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:15", "text": "facility, I think Oscar,"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "I think Oscar Flight, they sent them"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:18", "text": "over, and of course, we had our backup"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:21", "text": "alert team. Now, I think they they might"}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:21", "text": "have gone"}, {"start": "01:18:26", "end": "01:18:32", "text": "at the same time, you know, 20, 30 feet"}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "apart. Sergeant Garza was the closest."}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:39", "text": "And one thing I don't remember is if our"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "vehicle was running or it was off. I"}, {"start": "01:18:39", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "don't remember that."}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:43", "text": ">> Did they comment on the fact that there"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:45", "text": "was no tracks?"}, {"start": "01:18:43", "end": "01:18:48", "text": ">> Not at that time. No, at all. Sergeant"}, {"start": "01:18:45", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "Garza didn't either, but he said, and I"}, {"start": "01:18:48", "end": "01:18:53", "text": "walked around."}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:54", "text": "I stepped out and I walked around the"}, {"start": "01:18:53", "end": "01:18:58", "text": "front of the vehicle. I walked toward"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:18:59", "text": "him. He's about 20 ft away from me"}, {"start": "01:18:58", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "and I said, \"Sergeant Garza,\" I said,"}, {"start": "01:18:59", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "\"What's going on, man?\" He goes,"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "\"Mario?\" He goes, \"I don't know, but I"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:05", "text": "can't talk to you about that.\" He said,"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:07", "text": "\"I'm just here to escort you to November"}, {"start": "01:19:05", "end": "01:19:10", "text": "control.\" I looked around and I said,"}, {"start": "01:19:07", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "\"What the hell are we doing here, man?\""}, {"start": "01:19:10", "end": "01:19:14", "text": "And as I noticed,"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:16", "text": "it wasn't dark anymore. It was getting"}, {"start": "01:19:14", "end": "01:19:18", "text": "late."}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:20", "text": "And I said, \"What time is it,"}, {"start": "01:19:18", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "man?\""}, {"start": "01:19:20", "end": "01:19:28", "text": "And it was like 6:15 in the morning. And"}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:28", "text": "I said, ' Okay, I understand."}, {"start": "01:19:29", "end": "01:19:33", "text": "And I told him, I said, uh, I said, 'I"}, {"start": "01:19:31", "end": "01:19:34", "text": "need help with Michael Johnson.' He"}, {"start": "01:19:33", "end": "01:19:37", "text": "didn't know Michael Johnson either, cuz"}, {"start": "01:19:34", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "I said he wasn't on our normal flight."}, {"start": "01:19:37", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "And he just, he said, what do you mean?"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:42", "text": "I said, I can't get him to talk. I can't"}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:43", "text": "get him to move. I can't get him to"}, {"start": "01:19:42", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "acknowledge anything. I said, I don't"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:47", "text": "know what's wrong with him. So, he"}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "walked over to the vehicle, not saying"}, {"start": "01:19:47", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "anything. I opened up the driver's side"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:53", "text": "door, and there's Michael sitting there"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "like this, seat belted in. We only had"}, {"start": "01:19:53", "end": "01:19:56", "text": "lap belts, seat belted in, and he's just"}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:19:58", "text": "stuck on the steering wheel,"}, {"start": "01:19:56", "end": "01:19:59", "text": ">> staring straight ahead."}, {"start": "01:19:58", "end": "01:20:01", "text": ">> Staring straight ahead, eyes. I don't"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:05", "text": "know if he was blinking or not. I I"}, {"start": "01:20:01", "end": "01:20:06", "text": "never remember him blinking at all. I"}, {"start": "01:20:05", "end": "01:20:08", "text": "put my hand in his face. Like I said, I"}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "did everything I could possibly do."}, {"start": "01:20:08", "end": "01:20:13", "text": "Screamed at him, yelled at him,"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:16", "text": "finger in the air, every everything."}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:19", "text": "Everything. No response at all. Just a"}, {"start": "01:20:16", "end": "01:20:22", "text": "locked up human being. Anyway, finally"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:24", "text": "we unbutted him and we both I got on I"}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:26", "text": "got on the um passenger side and came"}, {"start": "01:20:24", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "across the seat because we had to get"}, {"start": "01:20:26", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "him in the in the passenger seat and I"}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:32", "text": "started working on his right hand"}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "undoing his thumb and his and his index"}, {"start": "01:20:32", "end": "01:20:35", "text": "finger and getting his hand opened up so"}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:37", "text": "I can get it off the steering wheel."}, {"start": "01:20:35", "end": "01:20:39", "text": "Garza did the same thing on the left"}, {"start": "01:20:37", "end": "01:20:39", "text": "side and that's how we got his hand off"}, {"start": "01:20:39", "end": "01:20:41", "text": "of there."}, {"start": "01:20:39", "end": "01:20:43", "text": ">> When you were taking his hand off, did"}, {"start": "01:20:41", "end": "01:20:44", "text": "his fingers stay in position as you were"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:45", "text": "opening them or did they were they"}, {"start": "01:20:44", "end": "01:20:47", "text": "trying to like Oh,"}, {"start": "01:20:45", "end": "01:20:48", "text": ">> they were trying to continue on. They"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "were trying to keep holding."}, {"start": "01:20:48", "end": "01:20:51", "text": ">> It was like he was in a great muscle"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:56", "text": "cramp in both arms. I mean, he was like"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "he's in a great muscle cramp. And"}, {"start": "01:20:56", "end": "01:21:00", "text": ">> I just don't have I don't have words for"}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "it. And once we got him off the steering"}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:03", "text": "wheel and put his place his hands down"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:06", "text": "on his lap like that, I just grabbed him"}, {"start": "01:21:03", "end": "01:21:08", "text": "on the inside of the leg and up by the"}, {"start": "01:21:06", "end": "01:21:10", "text": "back of the collar and I just gra drag"}, {"start": "01:21:08", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "him across the seat and I just put the"}, {"start": "01:21:10", "end": "01:21:14", "text": "seat belt back on him and I kept talking"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:15", "text": "to him the whole time and nothing. He"}, {"start": "01:21:14", "end": "01:21:17", "text": "just sat there just like this looking"}, {"start": "01:21:15", "end": "01:21:19", "text": "straight ahead and just sitting there."}, {"start": "01:21:17", "end": "01:21:21", "text": "Just sat there the entire time. Never"}, {"start": "01:21:19", "end": "01:21:23", "text": "said a word."}, {"start": "01:21:21", "end": "01:21:24", "text": "His weapon was there. All his stuff, his"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:26", "text": "diddy back was up was where it was"}, {"start": "01:21:24", "end": "01:21:29", "text": "supposed to be. Everything was where it"}, {"start": "01:21:26", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "was supposed to be and had been."}, {"start": "01:21:29", "end": "01:21:34", "text": "I went around and got into the driver's"}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:37", "text": "seat, cranked the truck up. I did do"}, {"start": "01:21:34", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "that. I remember that. And uh drivers"}, {"start": "01:21:37", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "went back to his vehicle. So the truck"}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "was off."}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:42", "text": ">> The truck was off. Yeah. At that time it"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:44", "text": "was off."}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "So I cranked it up, turned on the"}, {"start": "01:21:44", "end": "01:21:48", "text": "lights, everything was fine. Started to"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:50", "text": "move. I slipped a little bit. You know,"}, {"start": "01:21:48", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "as I said, it was only two wheel drive"}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:52", "text": "and we were crunching through this snow"}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:54", "text": "and ice. You know, it was about a foot"}, {"start": "01:21:52", "end": "01:21:57", "text": "and a half deep, foot, foot and a half"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:22:00", "text": "deep. And got in behind Garza, they"}, {"start": "01:21:57", "end": "01:22:03", "text": "turned around and they went on uh as we"}, {"start": "01:22:00", "end": "01:22:04", "text": "exited out on the Highway 79. The other"}, {"start": "01:22:03", "end": "01:22:06", "text": "two backup alert teams, they went their"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "way, but Garza stayed with us all the"}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:11", "text": "way to November control. Got to the gate"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:12", "text": "at November control. They opened the"}, {"start": "01:22:11", "end": "01:22:14", "text": "gate when they saw us coming. Of course,"}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:18", "text": "there was radio communication going to"}, {"start": "01:22:14", "end": "01:22:21", "text": "the gate. They had automatic gate. So,"}, {"start": "01:22:18", "end": "01:22:21", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "that was opened and I pulled in right in"}, {"start": "01:22:26", "end": "01:22:29", "text": "front of the flight security"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:31", "text": "controller's office. It was just like an"}, {"start": "01:22:29", "end": "01:22:33", "text": "outward vestable. And when did there"}, {"start": "01:22:31", "end": "01:22:36", "text": "was, you know, there were the offduty"}, {"start": "01:22:33", "end": "01:22:39", "text": "security policeman there. There was Bill"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:40", "text": "Hollowman was there. There were uh two"}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:42", "text": "officers there that had been underground"}, {"start": "01:22:40", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "that morning. They waited. Their relief"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:45", "text": "normally takes place and they leave"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "every other day I think is how that"}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "works. And I can't quite recall their"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:53", "text": "schedule, but usually at the alternate"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "command center they stayed there"}, {"start": "01:22:53", "end": "01:22:57", "text": "overnight. They didn't stay do that same"}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:22:59", "text": "schedule on other sites. So they were"}, {"start": "01:22:57", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "relieved with their new guys going"}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "downstairs and they come up. So I had um"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "Bill Hollowman, the onduty security"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:09", "text": "policeman that were there and myself and"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:11", "text": "Michael Johnson would make up the"}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:15", "text": "offduty"}, {"start": "01:23:11", "end": "01:23:18", "text": "shift. But we have um facility manager,"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:21", "text": "a side cook, and of course my flight"}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:23", "text": "chief, Master Sergeant Joel Gray and"}, {"start": "01:23:21", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "Tech Sergeant Robert Hawkins. They were"}, {"start": "01:23:23", "end": "01:23:27", "text": "both there awaiting our arrival. And"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "when they pulled up, they just ca uh"}, {"start": "01:23:27", "end": "01:23:32", "text": "came up to the side of the vehicle and"}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:34", "text": "and as I stepped out,"}, {"start": "01:23:32", "end": "01:23:36", "text": "um Sergeant Grace said, he goes, \"What's"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "going on with you? What's going on with"}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "you?\" or something like that. Cuz he was"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:42", "text": "an Alabama guy and we had a really good"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:43", "text": "rapport in relationship. What's going on"}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:46", "text": "with you, boy? Or something something"}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:47", "text": "like that. And I said, \"I'm I don't"}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "know, Sergeant Gray.\" I said, \"I don't"}, {"start": "01:23:47", "end": "01:23:51", "text": "know how to answer you, sir.\" He said,"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:53", "text": "\"What's wrong with him?\" I said, \"I"}, {"start": "01:23:51", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "don't know.\" And they literally opened"}, {"start": "01:23:53", "end": "01:23:56", "text": "the door and got him out. I said, \"He"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:57", "text": "has to have help.\" I said, \"He's not"}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:24:00", "text": "responding to anything. I've been trying"}, {"start": "01:23:57", "end": "01:24:03", "text": "to talk to him and get his get his"}, {"start": "01:24:00", "end": "01:24:05", "text": "attention in any way or get him to talk"}, {"start": "01:24:03", "end": "01:24:07", "text": "or even acknowledge that there's"}, {"start": "01:24:05", "end": "01:24:10", "text": "somebody else in the room with him, but"}, {"start": "01:24:07", "end": "01:24:12", "text": "he won't even do that.\" So, literally"}, {"start": "01:24:10", "end": "01:24:14", "text": "the flight security or no, the um"}, {"start": "01:24:12", "end": "01:24:18", "text": "facility manager"}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:20", "text": "and I think one of the officers of the"}, {"start": "01:24:18", "end": "01:24:22", "text": "two got him. Yeah, he's a lieutenant. He"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:23", "text": "got him and they put him under then they"}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:25", "text": "got him under the shoulders and they"}, {"start": "01:24:23", "end": "01:24:28", "text": "took him to the back room to the to the"}, {"start": "01:24:25", "end": "01:24:30", "text": "uh facility manager's bedroom and they"}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:31", "text": "set him down. I guess they try to get"}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:33", "text": "some fluids in him or something. But we"}, {"start": "01:24:31", "end": "01:24:34", "text": "were immediately separated and that was"}, {"start": "01:24:33", "end": "01:24:36", "text": "the strangest thing because all I did"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "was ask about him. So they took me in"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "the I went in the day room. We turned in"}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:43", "text": "our weapons as that's normal procedure."}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:45", "text": "It was a program said we were relieved"}, {"start": "01:24:43", "end": "01:24:47", "text": "of our weapons but that's never been the"}, {"start": "01:24:45", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "case. They didn't take anything. They"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:52", "text": "had never took our weapons period."}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:56", "text": "turned in all of our stuff, code tables"}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "and all the stuff had to be burned and"}, {"start": "01:24:56", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "that was done. But"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:00", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:03", "text": ">> were you tired at this point?"}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:06", "text": ">> I don't really recall how I was. I I I"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:06", "text": "don't think so. I think I was so full of"}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:09", "text": ">> adrenaline."}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:11", "text": ">> Yeah. And mind you, I'd been up the day"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:13", "text": "before since about 4:00 when"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:15", "text": ">> when I was brought to the SATAP building"}, {"start": "01:25:13", "end": "01:25:17", "text": "to go do my normal 3-day shift"}, {"start": "01:25:15", "end": "01:25:19", "text": ">> and then I stayed up all day and then"}, {"start": "01:25:17", "end": "01:25:21", "text": "this happened that night, you know, and"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:23", "text": "so I'd been up all that time straight."}, {"start": "01:25:21", "end": "01:25:24", "text": ">> So maybe even a little bit delirious at"}, {"start": "01:25:23", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "this point because you're like trying to"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:28", "text": "figure out what happened. You've got"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:30", "text": "missing time. You might be tired, but"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:32", "text": "also you have this adrenaline pumping"}, {"start": "01:25:30", "end": "01:25:34", "text": "through your system. Very strange."}, {"start": "01:25:32", "end": "01:25:37", "text": ">> Probably a very strange feeling."}, {"start": "01:25:34", "end": "01:25:40", "text": ">> It It really honestly is. Yes. and"}, {"start": "01:25:37", "end": "01:25:43", "text": ">> and confusion."}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:46", "text": ">> I I I just knew that I had to be very"}, {"start": "01:25:43", "end": "01:25:49", "text": "selectful in every single"}, {"start": "01:25:46", "end": "01:25:55", "text": "emotion and word that I stated that day"}, {"start": "01:25:49", "end": "01:25:56", "text": "to anybody I spoke with cuz uh"}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:25:59", "text": ">> you did not want them mistaking what"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:26:01", "text": "happened for something else."}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:04", "text": ">> Had I said what I saw out that right"}, {"start": "01:26:01", "end": "01:26:06", "text": "side window approaching me, PRP would"}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:07", "text": "have been gone. My job would have been"}, {"start": "01:26:06", "end": "01:26:09", "text": "gone. I'd have probably been put in a"}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:11", "text": "store room or"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:13", "text": ">> something, but my whole career would"}, {"start": "01:26:11", "end": "01:26:16", "text": "have been down to tubes just that fast."}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:17", "text": ">> And just to pause here, PRP, the"}, {"start": "01:26:16", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "personal reliability program."}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:19", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:20", "text": ">> Um, can you explain a little bit about"}, {"start": "01:26:19", "end": "01:26:22", "text": "what that is?"}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:25", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Well, it's a it's a security"}, {"start": "01:26:22", "end": "01:26:27", "text": "measure taken from personnel that work"}, {"start": "01:26:25", "end": "01:26:29", "text": "uh in in highly sensitive areas around"}, {"start": "01:26:27", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "nuclear equipment or sensitive nuclear"}, {"start": "01:26:29", "end": "01:26:38", "text": "materials or anything like that deemed"}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:38", "text": "that a catastrophe or"}, {"start": "01:26:38", "end": "01:26:44", "text": "a wrong move or a person that was"}, {"start": "01:26:42", "end": "01:26:46", "text": "unscrupulous could take something and do"}, {"start": "01:26:44", "end": "01:26:47", "text": "something with it to hurt others and"}, {"start": "01:26:46", "end": "01:26:51", "text": "many others."}, {"start": "01:26:47", "end": "01:26:54", "text": ">> Yeah. or contaminate something or could"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:57", "text": "do anything to to harm many many people."}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:27:01", "text": "So the PRP program is placed there uh in"}, {"start": "01:26:57", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "essence as a guideline to keep people on"}, {"start": "01:27:01", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "the straight and narrow."}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:05", "text": ">> So you're drug tested regularly."}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:07", "text": ">> Yeah. Drug tested."}, {"start": "01:27:05", "end": "01:27:08", "text": ">> Well, they do a swab, P test,"}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:11", "text": ">> uh blood test,"}, {"start": "01:27:08", "end": "01:27:12", "text": ">> hair test, all the above. Yes."}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:14", "text": ">> And then let's say you have a headache"}, {"start": "01:27:12", "end": "01:27:14", "text": "one day and you want to grab a couple"}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "aspirin."}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:18", "text": ">> Well, that's okay. An aspirin is okay."}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:21", "text": ">> Aspirin's okay. But if you take any kind"}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:23", "text": "of uh drug, you know, that that should"}, {"start": "01:27:21", "end": "01:27:23", "text": "be prescribed and is not."}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:26", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:27", "text": ">> It shows up and boom, you're done. I"}, {"start": "01:27:26", "end": "01:27:30", "text": "mean, you're taken in, you're examined,"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:31", "text": "and you're cross- referenced and"}, {"start": "01:27:30", "end": "01:27:34", "text": "investigated. And"}, {"start": "01:27:31", "end": "01:27:36", "text": ">> the idea of you saying like, \"Oh, I'm"}, {"start": "01:27:34", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "feeling uh I'm feeling depressed or"}, {"start": "01:27:36", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "something.\" You can't say any of that."}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:38", "text": ">> Negative."}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:39", "text": ">> That's gone."}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:43", "text": ">> That's gone."}, {"start": "01:27:39", "end": "01:27:45", "text": ">> So, you're under pretty strict"}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:46", "text": ">> guidelines. guidelines almost"}, {"start": "01:27:45", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "surveillance."}, {"start": "01:27:46", "end": "01:27:50", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:52", "text": ">> And so you're choosing your words wisely"}, {"start": "01:27:50", "end": "01:27:55", "text": "because you know that if you say the"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:55", "text": "wrong thing here, there goes your job."}, {"start": "01:27:55", "end": "01:27:57", "text": ">> Everything."}, {"start": "01:27:55", "end": "01:27:59", "text": ">> Your clearances, everything."}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:02", "text": ">> Everything. And I was, you know, I was"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:05", "text": "new. I was just a senior airman and uh I"}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:07", "text": "was newly married and uh"}, {"start": "01:28:05", "end": "01:28:10", "text": "I'm just trying to"}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "do a job. Yeah. That's that's what I was"}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "there for. And I really enjoyed it up to"}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:15", "text": "that point. I just didn't understand"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:18", "text": "what had happened."}, {"start": "01:28:15", "end": "01:28:19", "text": ">> Are you thinking to yourself, Michael is"}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:21", "text": "going to lose his job?"}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:22", "text": ">> I didn't know."}, {"start": "01:28:21", "end": "01:28:24", "text": ">> I honestly didn't know cuz I couldn't I"}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "didn't know what he had seen, what he"}, {"start": "01:28:24", "end": "01:28:27", "text": "heard, what he would remember."}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:28", "text": ">> But just like his state, like the state"}, {"start": "01:28:27", "end": "01:28:30", "text": "that he's in. I would have been like,"}, {"start": "01:28:28", "end": "01:28:33", "text": "\"Yeah, maybe he's this guy's, you know,"}, {"start": "01:28:30", "end": "01:28:35", "text": "this guy's, you know, he's I I didn't"}, {"start": "01:28:33", "end": "01:28:37", "text": "know if he'd ever recover from it the"}, {"start": "01:28:35", "end": "01:28:39", "text": "way that that I saw him. I've never seen"}, {"start": "01:28:37", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "another human being act that way.\""}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:43", "text": ">> So now you go into like a debriefing"}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:44", "text": "situation. I'm just in a day room, just"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:47", "text": "in a normal day room where we sit and"}, {"start": "01:28:44", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "watch TV. They had to turn the TV off"}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:51", "text": ">> and everybody that was even on duty was"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:53", "text": "standing around the outer perimeter and"}, {"start": "01:28:51", "end": "01:28:56", "text": "they had me sitting in a chair, you"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "know, a lean back chair and in the day"}, {"start": "01:28:56", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "room just and Sergeant Gray was kind of"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "me Sergeant Gray was kind of leading the"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "the investigation or the interrogation"}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:07", "text": "and getting ideas from others. in the"}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:08", "text": "city. There were there was one officer"}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:10", "text": "in there. The other one was back with"}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:14", "text": "Michael Johnson and the facility manager"}, {"start": "01:29:10", "end": "01:29:16", "text": "in in that room. And"}, {"start": "01:29:14", "end": "01:29:18", "text": "I was just asked everything. What what"}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:21", "text": "happened? What did you see? What did you"}, {"start": "01:29:18", "end": "01:29:23", "text": "do? You didn't go on the site, you know,"}, {"start": "01:29:21", "end": "01:29:24", "text": "what happened? They were, you know, and"}, {"start": "01:29:23", "end": "01:29:27", "text": "I told them, I said, \"It was an object.\""}, {"start": "01:29:24", "end": "01:29:29", "text": "I said, \"Gargantuan thing.\" I said, \"I"}, {"start": "01:29:27", "end": "01:29:31", "text": "don't know what happened.\" Well, how did"}, {"start": "01:29:29", "end": "01:29:33", "text": "you get to where you were? I mean, just"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:35", "text": "all types of cross referencing questions"}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:37", "text": "like like that. said, \"I don't know how"}, {"start": "01:29:35", "end": "01:29:39", "text": "we got there.\" Well, the vehicle didn't"}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:41", "text": "drive itself there. I mean, there was,"}, {"start": "01:29:39", "end": "01:29:43", "text": "you know, there was rebuttal in a lot of"}, {"start": "01:29:41", "end": "01:29:45", "text": "things that I even said, you know, and"}, {"start": "01:29:43", "end": "01:29:46", "text": "and it just it just makes you feel"}, {"start": "01:29:45", "end": "01:29:49", "text": "smaller and smaller. Well, how come you"}, {"start": "01:29:46", "end": "01:29:51", "text": "didn't you didn't strike that sight? And"}, {"start": "01:29:49", "end": "01:29:53", "text": "I couldn't really answer that other than"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:55", "text": "I don't know why, you know, and you had"}, {"start": "01:29:53", "end": "01:29:56", "text": "to be very selectful in that in that"}, {"start": "01:29:55", "end": "01:29:58", "text": "appropriate answer."}, {"start": "01:29:56", "end": "01:30:00", "text": ">> So, you mentioned the object, you didn't"}, {"start": "01:29:58", "end": "01:30:00", "text": "mention the beings, the smell,"}, {"start": "01:30:00", "end": "01:30:02", "text": ">> correct?"}, {"start": "01:30:00", "end": "01:30:02", "text": ">> Any of that stuff."}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Okay."}, {"start": "01:30:02", "end": "01:30:08", "text": ">> Yeah. And I and I told him of the the of"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:10", "text": "the round ball object too that came down"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:12", "text": "in front of the vehicle about the"}, {"start": "01:30:10", "end": "01:30:14", "text": "evacuation of the atmosphere inside the"}, {"start": "01:30:12", "end": "01:30:16", "text": "truck, the pressure on the chest for"}, {"start": "01:30:14", "end": "01:30:19", "text": "both of us and how Michael Johnson acted"}, {"start": "01:30:16", "end": "01:30:21", "text": "and what he did or didn't do. Everything"}, {"start": "01:30:19", "end": "01:30:22", "text": "that I've told you with the exception of"}, {"start": "01:30:21", "end": "01:30:26", "text": "what I saw out this out the right side"}, {"start": "01:30:22", "end": "01:30:29", "text": "window, I told them as best I could. And"}, {"start": "01:30:26", "end": "01:30:31", "text": "of course that wasn't the end of it. So"}, {"start": "01:30:29", "end": "01:30:33", "text": "after about two two hours, two and a"}, {"start": "01:30:31", "end": "01:30:34", "text": "half hours of that, then Sergeant Gray,"}, {"start": "01:30:33", "end": "01:30:36", "text": "he was in the flight security"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:38", "text": "controller's office while I was still"}, {"start": "01:30:36", "end": "01:30:40", "text": "out there. I told him, I said, \"I I have"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:42", "text": "to go to the restroom. I just needed I"}, {"start": "01:30:40", "end": "01:30:45", "text": "needed to I needed some silence to"}, {"start": "01:30:42", "end": "01:30:47", "text": "myself, you know, and not that I had to"}, {"start": "01:30:45", "end": "01:30:49", "text": "do anything or whatever. I just I went"}, {"start": "01:30:47", "end": "01:30:50", "text": "into that restroom and there were two"}, {"start": "01:30:49", "end": "01:30:52", "text": "stalls and I just went into the far"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:56", "text": "stall and I closed the door and I just"}, {"start": "01:30:52", "end": "01:31:01", "text": "sat there and uh I was in my fatigues."}, {"start": "01:30:56", "end": "01:31:04", "text": "Uh, I I I I just felt I felt dingy. I"}, {"start": "01:31:01", "end": "01:31:07", "text": "felt dirty or grimy or something was a"}, {"start": "01:31:04", "end": "01:31:09", "text": "better word for it. And uh I remember"}, {"start": "01:31:07", "end": "01:31:13", "text": "putting my head on my on my in my hands"}, {"start": "01:31:09", "end": "01:31:15", "text": "and on my knees. And I just sat there"}, {"start": "01:31:13", "end": "01:31:19", "text": "kind of just rubbing my head and all of"}, {"start": "01:31:15", "end": "01:31:22", "text": "a sudden I get this"}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:25", "text": "super high-pitched whining in my ears"}, {"start": "01:31:22", "end": "01:31:29", "text": "and my eyes are closed and it's like a"}, {"start": "01:31:25", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "scream in my in my inside my head."}, {"start": "01:31:29", "end": "01:31:34", "text": "just super high pitch. And I opened my"}, {"start": "01:31:31", "end": "01:31:38", "text": "eyes and then"}, {"start": "01:31:34", "end": "01:31:40", "text": "the colors around me changed"}, {"start": "01:31:38", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:31:40", "end": "01:31:46", "text": "like pea green like like honestly like a"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:48", "text": "pea green color just everywhere. I was"}, {"start": "01:31:46", "end": "01:31:50", "text": "that's what I was seeing out of my eyes."}, {"start": "01:31:48", "end": "01:31:53", "text": "everything just looked that way. And it"}, {"start": "01:31:50", "end": "01:31:56", "text": "was a bright sunny day. And I don't know"}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "if uh perhaps uh being subjected to"}, {"start": "01:31:56", "end": "01:31:59", "text": "bright light or something like that was"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:01", "text": "doing that cuz I was trying to find an"}, {"start": "01:31:59", "end": "01:32:03", "text": "answer in my mind. It was just rolling"}, {"start": "01:32:01", "end": "01:32:06", "text": "over."}, {"start": "01:32:03", "end": "01:32:07", "text": "But this noise got so loud. I I remember"}, {"start": "01:32:06", "end": "01:32:10", "text": "placing my hands on the side of my ears"}, {"start": "01:32:07", "end": "01:32:14", "text": "and I put my head down and when I closed"}, {"start": "01:32:10", "end": "01:32:18", "text": "my eyes, I was leaving my body and I had"}, {"start": "01:32:14", "end": "01:32:22", "text": "a I had a clear path"}, {"start": "01:32:18", "end": "01:32:22", "text": "through me out my feet."}, {"start": "01:32:22", "end": "01:32:26", "text": "I just knew there was a way that I could"}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:28", "text": "leave my body. And I felt like I kept"}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:31", "text": "anytime I close my eyes, I go further"}, {"start": "01:32:28", "end": "01:32:33", "text": "down each time. And I get here, I I got"}, {"start": "01:32:31", "end": "01:32:36", "text": "down to here."}, {"start": "01:32:33", "end": "01:32:38", "text": "if there's such a measurement."}, {"start": "01:32:36", "end": "01:32:41", "text": "And it freaked me out so bad I popped my"}, {"start": "01:32:38", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "eyes back open. And when I did, I see"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:47", "text": "this I see these four little furry feet"}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:50", "text": "going across the tile floor in front of"}, {"start": "01:32:47", "end": "01:32:53", "text": "the door in the stallin I'm in. It was a"}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:58", "text": "German Shepherd drug dog. And behind him"}, {"start": "01:32:53", "end": "01:33:01", "text": "was two pair uh a pair of uh super shiny"}, {"start": "01:32:58", "end": "01:33:05", "text": "Cochran uh law enforcement boots that we"}, {"start": "01:33:01", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "always wore. And uh the guy says, \"You"}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:09", "text": "okay in there, Mario?\" And I said,"}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:10", "text": "\"Yeah, man.\" I said, \"I'm all right. I'm"}, {"start": "01:33:09", "end": "01:33:12", "text": "fine.\" I said, \"I'm glad you're here.\" I"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:14", "text": "said, \"My diddy bag's out there in the"}, {"start": "01:33:12", "end": "01:33:15", "text": "day room.\" And he said he said, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:33:14", "end": "01:33:17", "text": "I've already checked all that.\" He said,"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:18", "text": "\"You guys are good.\" He said, \"I've done"}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:20", "text": "it all.\" He said, \"I just came to check"}, {"start": "01:33:18", "end": "01:33:22", "text": "on you.\" So evidently he knew me, but I"}, {"start": "01:33:20", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "don't know who he was. I don't I just"}, {"start": "01:33:22", "end": "01:33:28", "text": "don't know who he was. It's just he knew"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:30", "text": "me though. So he I opened the door and"}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:32", "text": "he's still there and you're not supposed"}, {"start": "01:33:30", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "to pet their dogs ever. And I didn't,"}, {"start": "01:33:32", "end": "01:33:35", "text": "but I just said, you know, what a pretty"}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:37", "text": "boy he was. I remember looking and he"}, {"start": "01:33:35", "end": "01:33:39", "text": "had my attention. And"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:41", "text": ">> did you feel flushed at all?"}, {"start": "01:33:39", "end": "01:33:43", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And"}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:45", "text": "and the colors had not come completely"}, {"start": "01:33:43", "end": "01:33:48", "text": "back yet. I still had that I still had"}, {"start": "01:33:45", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "that vision in my mind of or in my"}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:53", "text": "eyesight of this pea green color and it"}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "was it was calming down. But all I"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:58", "text": "wanted to do, I turned that sink water"}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:34:00", "text": "on, that ice cold water from that huge"}, {"start": "01:33:58", "end": "01:34:02", "text": "well underground. That's South Dakota"}, {"start": "01:34:00", "end": "01:34:04", "text": "water. It's like here. It's super cold,"}, {"start": "01:34:02", "end": "01:34:06", "text": "you know, and super nice. And I I just"}, {"start": "01:34:04", "end": "01:34:09", "text": "drenched myself and I had my fatigues"}, {"start": "01:34:06", "end": "01:34:11", "text": "on, had long johns on and a t-shirt,"}, {"start": "01:34:09", "end": "01:34:14", "text": "long john top, you know, long john pants"}, {"start": "01:34:11", "end": "01:34:16", "text": "and my my fatigue pants. I just soaked"}, {"start": "01:34:14", "end": "01:34:17", "text": "myself. And we weren't wearing cammy"}, {"start": "01:34:16", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "fatigues and we were wearing those grays"}, {"start": "01:34:17", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "back back at that time. And uh I was put"}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:26", "text": "all my hair and my face and got me a"}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:29", "text": "paper towel and was wiping myself down."}, {"start": "01:34:26", "end": "01:34:31", "text": "And I walk back out in the day room and"}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:32", "text": "I remember Master Sergeant Gray saying,"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:34", "text": "\"What did you take a bath in there?\" I"}, {"start": "01:34:32", "end": "01:34:36", "text": "said, \"Yes, sir.\" I said, \"If I could, I"}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:38", "text": "I would do that.\" I said, \"I just I just"}, {"start": "01:34:36", "end": "01:34:40", "text": "I needed to do that.\" He didn't say"}, {"start": "01:34:38", "end": "01:34:42", "text": "nothing. He said, \"Well, get your bag.\""}, {"start": "01:34:40", "end": "01:34:44", "text": "He said, \"We've got to go back to base.\""}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:46", "text": "He said, \"Wing commander and the base"}, {"start": "01:34:44", "end": "01:34:49", "text": "commander or deputy base commander wants"}, {"start": "01:34:46", "end": "01:34:51", "text": "to meet with you.\" So, that's where we"}, {"start": "01:34:49", "end": "01:34:53", "text": "were heading about 55 minutes back to"}, {"start": "01:34:51", "end": "01:34:55", "text": "Ellsworth Air Force Base."}, {"start": "01:34:53", "end": "01:34:57", "text": ">> I want to put a little pause here. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:34:55", "end": "01:35:00", "text": ">> I find it very interesting the out of"}, {"start": "01:34:57", "end": "01:35:02", "text": "body thing and"}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:04", "text": "uh it reminds me because one of the best"}, {"start": "01:35:02", "end": "01:35:04", "text": "ways have you ever left your body since"}, {"start": "01:35:04", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "then?"}, {"start": "01:35:04", "end": "01:35:08", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:10", "text": ">> Okay. One of the best ways that I've"}, {"start": "01:35:08", "end": "01:35:11", "text": "encountered through people I've talked"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:15", "text": "to and interviewed and the books I've"}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:18", "text": "read about leaving your body is fatigue."}, {"start": "01:35:15", "end": "01:35:20", "text": ">> Fatigue is like almost a guaranteed way."}, {"start": "01:35:18", "end": "01:35:23", "text": "Like if you skip a night's sleep"}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:25", "text": ">> and you try to stay up. Um there was a"}, {"start": "01:35:23", "end": "01:35:27", "text": "there was a guy Marco who was in our"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:28", "text": "group at the gateway process when I did"}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:30", "text": "the Monroe thing and he was a"}, {"start": "01:35:28", "end": "01:35:31", "text": "firefighter and they would often you"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:33", "text": "know"}, {"start": "01:35:31", "end": "01:35:35", "text": ">> spend 48 hours up and they'd sleep at"}, {"start": "01:35:33", "end": "01:35:36", "text": "the firehouse and one night he was"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "telling me too is like as soon as his"}, {"start": "01:35:36", "end": "01:35:39", "text": "head hit the bed like as soon as it hit"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:40", "text": "the bed he didn't have time to fall"}, {"start": "01:35:39", "end": "01:35:42", "text": "asleep like he was rising up through his"}, {"start": "01:35:40", "end": "01:35:43", "text": "body and going through the ceiling and"}, {"start": "01:35:42", "end": "01:35:45", "text": "whatnot."}, {"start": "01:35:43", "end": "01:35:48", "text": ">> But that seems to be"}, {"start": "01:35:45", "end": "01:35:49", "text": ">> you know um a catalyst for out-of- body"}, {"start": "01:35:48", "end": "01:35:54", "text": "events. So you might have been"}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:56", "text": "experiencing that on top of this other"}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:58", "text": "thing, you know, or maybe it was"}, {"start": "01:35:56", "end": "01:36:00", "text": "facilitated by your experience. I don't"}, {"start": "01:35:58", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "know. But it I think it's interesting"}, {"start": "01:36:00", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "that you had that happen there. Like how"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:08", "text": "bizarre does this day get?"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:08", "text": ">> Absolutely. It's"}, {"start": "01:36:11", "end": "01:36:18", "text": "I try to make sense of it and and"}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:19", "text": "not only but what but why and what's the"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "lesson"}, {"start": "01:36:19", "end": "01:36:24", "text": ">> and I I can't answer any of it. I really"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:26", "text": "can't. Uh"}, {"start": "01:36:24", "end": "01:36:27", "text": "I I do every day because there's not a"}, {"start": "01:36:26", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "day goes by where some part of this"}, {"start": "01:36:27", "end": "01:36:34", "text": "doesn't in infiltrate back infiltrate"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:36", "text": "back to me in some in some way. I can"}, {"start": "01:36:34", "end": "01:36:38", "text": "see something that pushes that memory"}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:40", "text": "forward or I can smell something that"}, {"start": "01:36:38", "end": "01:36:44", "text": "ignites other thoughts. You know, it"}, {"start": "01:36:40", "end": "01:36:47", "text": "it's it's really uh it's consuming and"}, {"start": "01:36:44", "end": "01:36:47", "text": "it's"}, {"start": "01:36:47", "end": "01:36:53", "text": "it never goes away and I don't think it"}, {"start": "01:36:50", "end": "01:36:58", "text": "ever will until the day I'm no more. But"}, {"start": "01:36:53", "end": "01:36:59", "text": "yeah, it's a strong um"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "you know a lot of people in your"}, {"start": "01:36:59", "end": "01:37:03", "text": "position"}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:06", "text": "I you know that I've spoken to and I"}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:08", "text": "asked them like what's the one thing"}, {"start": "01:37:06", "end": "01:37:11", "text": "that you would ask them"}, {"start": "01:37:08", "end": "01:37:14", "text": "you know whatever did this and the"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:16", "text": "answer is often is not often is always"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:16", "text": "why me."}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:16", "end": "01:37:21", "text": ">> It's um it's an invasive personal sort"}, {"start": "01:37:20", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "of thing that you went through."}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:28", "text": "And for something that"}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "really important to have happened, there"}, {"start": "01:37:28", "end": "01:37:30", "text": "has to be a reason, right?"}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:37:30", "end": "01:37:35", "text": ">> Um, okay. So, you're you got 55 mile"}, {"start": "01:37:33", "end": "01:37:35", "text": "drive to"}, {"start": "01:37:35", "end": "01:37:36", "text": ">> back to Ellsworth."}, {"start": "01:37:35", "end": "01:37:38", "text": ">> Back to Ellsworth."}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:40", "text": ">> Yeah. And I kept I even asked Sergeant"}, {"start": "01:37:38", "end": "01:37:42", "text": "Gray before we left. I said, \"Well, what"}, {"start": "01:37:40", "end": "01:37:45", "text": "about Michael Johnson?"}, {"start": "01:37:42", "end": "01:37:46", "text": "Don't worry about him. He'll be fine."}, {"start": "01:37:45", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "Sergeant Hawkins is gonna bring him"}, {"start": "01:37:46", "end": "01:37:51", "text": "back.\" I said, \"Okay, no problem.\" So, I"}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:53", "text": "got my stuff and got in his vehicle all"}, {"start": "01:37:51", "end": "01:37:56", "text": "the way back, you know, we talked about"}, {"start": "01:37:53", "end": "01:37:58", "text": "the whole thing. He from start to finish"}, {"start": "01:37:56", "end": "01:38:00", "text": "and what I saw. I guess he was looking"}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:02", "text": "for something else other than what I had"}, {"start": "01:38:00", "end": "01:38:03", "text": "told him, you know, and he and he even"}, {"start": "01:38:02", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "asked me, he says, \"There's something"}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "else that you want to tell me that you"}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "haven't told everybody.\" And again, I"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:11", "text": "would not say what I saw out that right"}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:12", "text": "window. I didn't"}, {"start": "01:38:11", "end": "01:38:14", "text": ">> He was asking you."}, {"start": "01:38:12", "end": "01:38:16", "text": ">> Yeah. He was asking me, \"Is there"}, {"start": "01:38:14", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "anything else I wanted to say?\" you"}, {"start": "01:38:16", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "know, you know what I saw that I didn't"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:22", "text": "want to that I didn't say in front of"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:23", "text": "everybody back at the at the launch"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:26", "text": "control facility."}, {"start": "01:38:23", "end": "01:38:27", "text": ">> So, I just I said, \"No.\" I said, \"That's"}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:30", "text": "that's what I remember. That's what I"}, {"start": "01:38:27", "end": "01:38:32", "text": "know.\" And I just continued onward. And,"}, {"start": "01:38:30", "end": "01:38:39", "text": "you know, we talked small talk, you"}, {"start": "01:38:32", "end": "01:38:40", "text": "know, and I didn't I tried not to"}, {"start": "01:38:39", "end": "01:38:42", "text": "I tried not to just discuss that the"}, {"start": "01:38:40", "end": "01:38:44", "text": "whole way back. I only answered"}, {"start": "01:38:42", "end": "01:38:47", "text": "questions that he asked me. And I'd look"}, {"start": "01:38:44", "end": "01:38:49", "text": "and say, \"Oh, it's a that's a pretty cow"}, {"start": "01:38:47", "end": "01:38:51", "text": "over there along the road along the"}, {"start": "01:38:49", "end": "01:38:53", "text": "highway.\" Or, you know, this is really"}, {"start": "01:38:51", "end": "01:38:55", "text": "beautiful country up here. You know, I"}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:38:58", "text": "just tried to get my mind and his"}, {"start": "01:38:55", "end": "01:39:00", "text": "questioning off of me for a little bit."}, {"start": "01:38:58", "end": "01:39:03", "text": "I guess that was kind of like the"}, {"start": "01:39:00", "end": "01:39:05", "text": "refreshing part of taking a bath in the"}, {"start": "01:39:03", "end": "01:39:07", "text": "sink, you know, was getting some of that"}, {"start": "01:39:05", "end": "01:39:09", "text": "off of me. But"}, {"start": "01:39:07", "end": "01:39:12", "text": "I could tell he was concerned. And he"}, {"start": "01:39:09", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "did say something concern something"}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:17", "text": "about when his dad was young and he were"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:19", "text": "fishing or something that they saw"}, {"start": "01:39:17", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "something but that's all he said. He"}, {"start": "01:39:19", "end": "01:39:25", "text": "didn't say go into it anymore. And I you"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:27", "text": "know I just tried to tell him"}, {"start": "01:39:25", "end": "01:39:30", "text": "I don't think he I don't think he could"}, {"start": "01:39:27", "end": "01:39:32", "text": "comprehend the size of this thing. I"}, {"start": "01:39:30", "end": "01:39:34", "text": "really don't."}, {"start": "01:39:32", "end": "01:39:38", "text": "because I told him I said in my opinion"}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:40", "text": "I said it'd be at least"}, {"start": "01:39:38", "end": "01:39:43", "text": "at least the size of the SATA building"}, {"start": "01:39:40", "end": "01:39:45", "text": "which was our security police main ops"}, {"start": "01:39:43", "end": "01:39:48", "text": "building back on base and which was a"}, {"start": "01:39:45", "end": "01:39:50", "text": "old B-52 hanger converted in the office"}, {"start": "01:39:48", "end": "01:39:52", "text": "area and training area for us."}, {"start": "01:39:50", "end": "01:39:54", "text": ">> Some people say the size of a football"}, {"start": "01:39:52", "end": "01:39:55", "text": "field they literally mean"}, {"start": "01:39:54", "end": "01:39:58", "text": ">> yeah it really is the size of a football"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:40:02", "text": "field and I think to our visitors size"}, {"start": "01:39:58", "end": "01:40:04", "text": "has no meaning whatsoever. They they do"}, {"start": "01:40:02", "end": "01:40:06", "text": "whatever they"}, {"start": "01:40:04", "end": "01:40:10", "text": "whatever they need, I guess. I don't"}, {"start": "01:40:06", "end": "01:40:11", "text": "know. But so 55 minutes back went into"}, {"start": "01:40:10", "end": "01:40:14", "text": "the boxelder gate, which is the back"}, {"start": "01:40:11", "end": "01:40:16", "text": "gate at Ellsworth. Went to the SATA"}, {"start": "01:40:14", "end": "01:40:19", "text": "building."}, {"start": "01:40:16", "end": "01:40:21", "text": "He brought me up to the side door. I got"}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:27", "text": "my stuff, my diddy bag, and I followed"}, {"start": "01:40:21", "end": "01:40:27", "text": "him in, went in front of um"}, {"start": "01:40:31", "end": "01:40:36", "text": "For me, it was like 1 or 2:00."}, {"start": "01:40:34", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "My wife had not been notified. They"}, {"start": "01:40:36", "end": "01:40:40", "text": "wouldn't let me talk to her."}, {"start": "01:40:40", "end": "01:40:46", "text": "Even when I was talking,"}, {"start": "01:40:43", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "uh, Colonel Ralph Breaker's uh, office"}, {"start": "01:40:46", "end": "01:40:51", "text": "door. Of course, he had me set on a"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:53", "text": "bench outside the door"}, {"start": "01:40:51", "end": "01:40:56", "text": "and uh he was a security police"}, {"start": "01:40:53", "end": "01:40:58", "text": "commander and he's been a pretty good"}, {"start": "01:40:56", "end": "01:41:00", "text": "guy up to that time when I'd had"}, {"start": "01:40:58", "end": "01:41:04", "text": "interaction with Colonel Breaker, but he"}, {"start": "01:41:00", "end": "01:41:07", "text": "and he knew me uh by name and they try"}, {"start": "01:41:04", "end": "01:41:09", "text": "to know everybody and and and also that"}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:11", "text": "there are uh about 800 security"}, {"start": "01:41:09", "end": "01:41:13", "text": "policemen"}, {"start": "01:41:11", "end": "01:41:15", "text": "on at Ellsworth Air Force Base, whether"}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:17", "text": "they work aircraft or they work"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:19", "text": "missiles. So about they said that one in"}, {"start": "01:41:17", "end": "01:41:20", "text": "four people that you'd meet walking down"}, {"start": "01:41:19", "end": "01:41:22", "text": "the sidewalk or in the B extra"}, {"start": "01:41:20", "end": "01:41:25", "text": "commissary was a security policeman"}, {"start": "01:41:22", "end": "01:41:27", "text": "which was true which I mean really was."}, {"start": "01:41:25", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "So when he came back out he was in about"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:32", "text": "15 or 20 minutes with the commander."}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:34", "text": "When he came back out he said all he's"}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:36", "text": "ready to see you now. He said report in."}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:39", "text": "So that meant, you know, a full a formal"}, {"start": "01:41:36", "end": "01:41:41", "text": "report in, meaning I got up and uh"}, {"start": "01:41:39", "end": "01:41:43", "text": "master Greg went back into the room and"}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:45", "text": "over to the right side of the room and"}, {"start": "01:41:43", "end": "01:41:48", "text": "uh Colonel Spreer's desk was like"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:52", "text": "straight ahead uh maybe 20 25 ft. It's a"}, {"start": "01:41:48", "end": "01:41:54", "text": "rather large size office. So I hit him,"}, {"start": "01:41:52", "end": "01:41:57", "text": "banged on the door, you know, like that."}, {"start": "01:41:54", "end": "01:41:59", "text": "And he said, \"Enter,\" you know, and I I"}, {"start": "01:41:57", "end": "01:42:01", "text": "walked up to his desk within 3 ft of it"}, {"start": "01:41:59", "end": "01:42:03", "text": "and I said, \"Senior was reporting as"}, {"start": "01:42:01", "end": "01:42:05", "text": "ordered, sir.\" instead of detention"}, {"start": "01:42:03", "end": "01:42:09", "text": "until he told me I could go at ease and"}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:11", "text": "which I did and not really looking but"}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:13", "text": "counting people as I went in there was a"}, {"start": "01:42:11", "end": "01:42:15", "text": "total of five people in there and there"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:18", "text": "were three"}, {"start": "01:42:15", "end": "01:42:20", "text": "standing uh one standing and two sitting"}, {"start": "01:42:18", "end": "01:42:23", "text": "over to my left one young guy"}, {"start": "01:42:20", "end": "01:42:25", "text": "medium-aged guy maybe or middle-aged guy"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:28", "text": "maybe in his 30s or so then there was a"}, {"start": "01:42:25", "end": "01:42:30", "text": "tall older man and he had on a like a"}, {"start": "01:42:28", "end": "01:42:32", "text": "gray tweed suit and a hat and he had the"}, {"start": "01:42:30", "end": "01:42:33", "text": "hat under his arm so I thought he maybe"}, {"start": "01:42:32", "end": "01:42:35", "text": "he ex-military or something cuz you know"}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:37", "text": "you don't you don't wear your lid"}, {"start": "01:42:35", "end": "01:42:38", "text": ">> your cover inside any building at any"}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:41", "text": "time"}, {"start": "01:42:38", "end": "01:42:44", "text": ">> and then I had the deputy base commander"}, {"start": "01:42:41", "end": "01:42:46", "text": "was there u besides uh Colonel Breaker"}, {"start": "01:42:44", "end": "01:42:48", "text": "Coloner was behind his desk and the and"}, {"start": "01:42:46", "end": "01:42:51", "text": "the deputy base commander was sitting"}, {"start": "01:42:48", "end": "01:42:53", "text": "over to his right and uh he said well"}, {"start": "01:42:51", "end": "01:42:55", "text": "senior what seemed like you've had an"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:57", "text": "interesting evening that's what he said"}, {"start": "01:42:55", "end": "01:43:02", "text": "interesting evening and I didn't I just"}, {"start": "01:42:57", "end": "01:43:05", "text": "looked at him and I said uh yes sir"}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:07", "text": "just that's all I knew to say. He goes,"}, {"start": "01:43:05", "end": "01:43:10", "text": "\"You want to tell us about it?\""}, {"start": "01:43:07", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "And I I said, \"Yes, sir.\" And I looked"}, {"start": "01:43:10", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "to my looked to my left."}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:16", "text": ">> And I remember him saying something"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:18", "text": "like, \"Don't worry about them.\""}, {"start": "01:43:16", "end": "01:43:20", "text": ">> Cuz I thought maybe he'd introduce me to"}, {"start": "01:43:18", "end": "01:43:22", "text": "them or something. This is so and so, so"}, {"start": "01:43:20", "end": "01:43:23", "text": "and so. But I I didn't rate that high,"}, {"start": "01:43:22", "end": "01:43:26", "text": "rank that high, so they didn't have to"}, {"start": "01:43:23", "end": "01:43:28", "text": "tell me anything."}, {"start": "01:43:26", "end": "01:43:30", "text": "So, I went through the whole thing of of"}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:32", "text": "uh telling them about flashing the light"}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:34", "text": "at this thing, you know, out to the east"}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:36", "text": "side of the site and where it was"}, {"start": "01:43:34", "end": "01:43:37", "text": "located in the sky and what I did and"}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:39", "text": "who I told because they had to be"}, {"start": "01:43:37", "end": "01:43:40", "text": "brought in and talked to as well. It"}, {"start": "01:43:39", "end": "01:43:41", "text": "wasn't just me."}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:43", "text": ">> You had a crowd rate."}, {"start": "01:43:41", "end": "01:43:46", "text": ">> Yeah. Everything everybody that was that"}, {"start": "01:43:43", "end": "01:43:50", "text": "was involved had to had to be talked to."}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:52", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "01:43:50", "end": "01:43:53", "text": "told him about Michael Johnson, how he"}, {"start": "01:43:52", "end": "01:43:55", "text": "acted. And again, I asked I said, \"How"}, {"start": "01:43:53", "end": "01:43:56", "text": "is Michael Johnson?\" And I kept telling"}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:43:58", "text": "him, \"Don't worry about Michael Johnson."}, {"start": "01:43:56", "end": "01:43:59", "text": "He'll be just fine. This is just about"}, {"start": "01:43:58", "end": "01:44:02", "text": "you and what we're talking about in this"}, {"start": "01:43:59", "end": "01:44:04", "text": "room right now.\" And I I said, \"Yes,"}, {"start": "01:44:02", "end": "01:44:06", "text": "sir.\""}, {"start": "01:44:04", "end": "01:44:08", "text": "Um, and Master Sergeant Gray, he was"}, {"start": "01:44:06", "end": "01:44:09", "text": "sitting over to my He was over my right,"}, {"start": "01:44:08", "end": "01:44:12", "text": "and he was standing. He wasn't sitting"}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:12", "text": "either."}, {"start": "01:44:17", "end": "01:44:21", "text": "They went through"}, {"start": "01:44:20", "end": "01:44:23", "text": "everything. And I guess Sergeant Gray"}, {"start": "01:44:21", "end": "01:44:25", "text": "had had said something or told him a"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:28", "text": "little bit about what happened. I really"}, {"start": "01:44:25", "end": "01:44:30", "text": "don't know because he started u Colonel"}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "Spreer started saying some things like,"}, {"start": "01:44:30", "end": "01:44:33", "text": "\"Well, tell me about the size of this"}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:35", "text": "craft. Tell me about this. Tell me"}, {"start": "01:44:33", "end": "01:44:37", "text": "about, you know, this item that came"}, {"start": "01:44:35", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "down over the hood and that and around"}, {"start": "01:44:37", "end": "01:44:42", "text": "your vehicle. What did you smell?\" I"}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "told him, \"I smelled.\" And I I explained"}, {"start": "01:44:42", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "all that to him. Nobody ever questioned"}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:48", "text": "or said a word about any of that. And"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:51", "text": "this went on with questions and answers"}, {"start": "01:44:48", "end": "01:44:52", "text": "by me for about two and a half hours."}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:55", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:44:52", "end": "01:44:58", "text": ">> So I'd been up all that time and got"}, {"start": "01:44:55", "end": "01:45:02", "text": "into the base. I guess it was about 10"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:10", "text": "10:30 that morning. I was in his office"}, {"start": "01:45:02", "end": "01:45:10", "text": "still at 12:30 or so. And uh the"}, {"start": "01:45:10", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "I knew he was pushing for me to say"}, {"start": "01:45:13", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "something about seeing. He kept asking"}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "me, \"Did you is there anything you're"}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:21", "text": "not telling me? Is there anything you're"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "not telling me?\" And I said, \"No, sir.\""}, {"start": "01:45:21", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "And I wouldn't just I wouldn't say what"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:25", "text": "I saw at all out the side of that"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:26", "text": "window."}, {"start": "01:45:25", "end": "01:45:29", "text": ">> How do you think they knew?"}, {"start": "01:45:26", "end": "01:45:31", "text": ">> I have no idea."}, {"start": "01:45:29", "end": "01:45:33", "text": "I hadn't said anything unless Michael"}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "Johnson had said something, but I I"}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:38", "text": "don't know if he I don't think he did. I"}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:40", "text": "really don't know."}, {"start": "01:45:38", "end": "01:45:42", "text": "But I did get answers a few weeks later,"}, {"start": "01:45:40", "end": "01:45:44", "text": "not by them, but by Michael Johnson. And"}, {"start": "01:45:42", "end": "01:45:47", "text": "I'll go into that."}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:49", "text": ">> Well, so and this man in the gray tweed"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:50", "text": "suit, you never find out who he is."}, {"start": "01:45:49", "end": "01:45:52", "text": ">> And I know that um"}, {"start": "01:45:50", "end": "01:45:54", "text": ">> skinny, a real skinny guy, too. You"}, {"start": "01:45:52", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "know, I thought he Yeah, he's tall and"}, {"start": "01:45:54", "end": "01:45:56", "text": "skinny."}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:57", "text": ">> Gauntike. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:45:56", "end": "01:45:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Emaciated looking. I was I was"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "like what is what is this guy? He needs"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:01", "text": "to eat something. I mean really I"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:03", "text": "thought that"}, {"start": "01:46:01", "end": "01:46:04", "text": ">> he was old"}, {"start": "01:46:03", "end": "01:46:06", "text": ">> older"}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:09", "text": ">> 50s60s somewhere like that."}, {"start": "01:46:06", "end": "01:46:12", "text": ">> And then the man sitting next to him was"}, {"start": "01:46:09", "end": "01:46:17", "text": "uh captain um Jack Reed and he was the"}, {"start": "01:46:12", "end": "01:46:20", "text": "um OSI u commander or officer in charge."}, {"start": "01:46:17", "end": "01:46:24", "text": ">> Yeah. at Ellsworth at that time and"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:28", "text": "sitting next to him"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:29", "text": "was a young officer OSI named Rick"}, {"start": "01:46:28", "end": "01:46:31", "text": "Dodie."}, {"start": "01:46:29", "end": "01:46:33", "text": ">> Richard Dodie. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:46:31", "end": "01:46:35", "text": ">> And I didn't know him from Adam's House"}, {"start": "01:46:33", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "Cat and uh"}, {"start": "01:46:35", "end": "01:46:39", "text": ">> this is early in"}, {"start": "01:46:37", "end": "01:46:42", "text": ">> 77. I never early in his career."}, {"start": "01:46:39", "end": "01:46:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Never known him or I didn't even"}, {"start": "01:46:42", "end": "01:46:45", "text": "think anything about him or"}, {"start": "01:46:44", "end": "01:46:46", "text": ">> But he was OSI."}, {"start": "01:46:45", "end": "01:46:46", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:46:46", "end": "01:46:48", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:46:46", "end": "01:46:49", "text": ">> Yes, he was. probably just on some"}, {"start": "01:46:48", "end": "01:46:51", "text": "training too. Like I mean"}, {"start": "01:46:49", "end": "01:46:53", "text": ">> that's what he later told me. He was"}, {"start": "01:46:51", "end": "01:46:56", "text": "there to study"}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:57", "text": "sack communications. They had something"}, {"start": "01:46:56", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "going on with some communication"}, {"start": "01:46:57", "end": "01:47:00", "text": "activities that they didn't uh"}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:01", "text": "understand or something. That's what he"}, {"start": "01:47:00", "end": "01:47:03", "text": "told me."}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:05", "text": ">> He it's so it's you know when you"}, {"start": "01:47:03", "end": "01:47:07", "text": "mention his name in this topic and for"}, {"start": "01:47:05", "end": "01:47:09", "text": "those that are not familiar with Richard"}, {"start": "01:47:07", "end": "01:47:13", "text": "Dodie, he's got a sorted history with"}, {"start": "01:47:09", "end": "01:47:17", "text": "misinformation and it's really hard to"}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:20", "text": "take what he says at face value. But,"}, {"start": "01:47:17", "end": "01:47:22", "text": "you know, if it were possible to take"}, {"start": "01:47:20", "end": "01:47:23", "text": "what he says at face value, he's got to"}, {"start": "01:47:22", "end": "01:47:24", "text": "have some interesting stories."}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:26", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"start": "01:47:24", "end": "01:47:27", "text": ">> If we were able to believe anything he"}, {"start": "01:47:26", "end": "01:47:27", "text": "said,"}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:30", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:47:27", "end": "01:47:31", "text": ">> If he's in a room like that, how many"}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:34", "text": "other rooms like that was he in?"}, {"start": "01:47:31", "end": "01:47:36", "text": ">> Exactly."}, {"start": "01:47:34", "end": "01:47:38", "text": ">> So, okay. But these this this tall"}, {"start": "01:47:36", "end": "01:47:40", "text": "gentleman as well in the tweed suit, it"}, {"start": "01:47:38", "end": "01:47:42", "text": "was was it Bob Jacobs who had mentioned?"}, {"start": "01:47:40", "end": "01:47:44", "text": ">> No. Who was who who had mentioned the"}, {"start": "01:47:42", "end": "01:47:45", "text": "tweed suits?"}, {"start": "01:47:44", "end": "01:47:47", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "01:47:45", "end": "01:47:48", "text": ">> there was another instance of uh"}, {"start": "01:47:47", "end": "01:47:50", "text": "gentleman in tweets suits. I think it"}, {"start": "01:47:48", "end": "01:47:52", "text": "was Bob Jacobs when he got debriefed."}, {"start": "01:47:50", "end": "01:47:52", "text": ">> Oh, okay. All right. Going back to that."}, {"start": "01:47:52", "end": "01:47:53", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:52", "end": "01:47:54", "text": ">> Yeah. When they were telling him like,"}, {"start": "01:47:53", "end": "01:47:55", "text": "\"Oh, you didn't see anything or"}, {"start": "01:47:54", "end": "01:47:56", "text": "whatever."}, {"start": "01:47:55", "end": "01:47:56", "text": ">> Anything? Don't ever talk about it"}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:47:58", "text": "again.\""}, {"start": "01:47:56", "end": "01:47:59", "text": ">> Yeah. There was gentlemen in tweed suits"}, {"start": "01:47:58", "end": "01:48:01", "text": "again. Um"}, {"start": "01:47:59", "end": "01:48:04", "text": ">> Yeah. And it was a light gray. It was an"}, {"start": "01:48:01", "end": "01:48:05", "text": "ugly ugly suit even for 1977. I thought"}, {"start": "01:48:04", "end": "01:48:07", "text": ">> not military."}, {"start": "01:48:05", "end": "01:48:08", "text": ">> Yeah. No, not military."}, {"start": "01:48:07", "end": "01:48:09", "text": ">> And and for a civilian"}, {"start": "01:48:08", "end": "01:48:11", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:48:09", "end": "01:48:12", "text": ">> to be in that room."}, {"start": "01:48:11", "end": "01:48:16", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:48:12", "end": "01:48:17", "text": "I mean, what the heck? You don't get you"}, {"start": "01:48:16", "end": "01:48:20", "text": "don't get access to that type of thing"}, {"start": "01:48:17", "end": "01:48:22", "text": "as a civilian. No, especially, you know,"}, {"start": "01:48:20", "end": "01:48:24", "text": "the sensitive nature of the area, let"}, {"start": "01:48:22", "end": "01:48:26", "text": "alone a sighting with some unidentified"}, {"start": "01:48:24", "end": "01:48:28", "text": "object. You're sitting on a base that"}, {"start": "01:48:26", "end": "01:48:30", "text": "has nukes."}, {"start": "01:48:28", "end": "01:48:32", "text": ">> No civilian is just going to walk into a"}, {"start": "01:48:30", "end": "01:48:33", "text": "room with a colonel and listen in on"}, {"start": "01:48:32", "end": "01:48:36", "text": "some type of debrief. Like, what is your"}, {"start": "01:48:33", "end": "01:48:37", "text": "position, sir? Where are you from?"}, {"start": "01:48:36", "end": "01:48:38", "text": ">> Abs. Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:48:37", "end": "01:48:40", "text": ">> OSI has to be there."}, {"start": "01:48:38", "end": "01:48:44", "text": ">> Yes. But this other gentleman dressed as"}, {"start": "01:48:40", "end": "01:48:46", "text": "uh you know in in civilian"}, {"start": "01:48:44", "end": "01:48:48", "text": "garb is is unusual."}, {"start": "01:48:46", "end": "01:48:51", "text": ">> Very unusual. And that's the way I I"}, {"start": "01:48:48", "end": "01:48:54", "text": "didn't I felt I felt something from him."}, {"start": "01:48:51", "end": "01:48:58", "text": "I don't know what it was but"}, {"start": "01:48:54", "end": "01:48:59", "text": "I was I don't know. I I I knew where"}, {"start": "01:48:58", "end": "01:49:01", "text": "Colonel Spreer stood and I knew where"}, {"start": "01:48:59", "end": "01:49:03", "text": "the deputy base commander was standing."}, {"start": "01:49:01", "end": "01:49:05", "text": "I I know what how they were feeling and"}, {"start": "01:49:03", "end": "01:49:07", "text": "you know they had to go look at radar."}, {"start": "01:49:05", "end": "01:49:09", "text": "They had to go look at a whole lot of"}, {"start": "01:49:07", "end": "01:49:12", "text": "things. They I mean the tower would have"}, {"start": "01:49:09", "end": "01:49:13", "text": "would have picked that thing up. Yeah. I"}, {"start": "01:49:12", "end": "01:49:15", "text": "never got anything I never got any"}, {"start": "01:49:13", "end": "01:49:17", "text": "information concerning that. I mean they"}, {"start": "01:49:15", "end": "01:49:18", "text": "just shut me down as quickly as"}, {"start": "01:49:17", "end": "01:49:20", "text": "possible."}, {"start": "01:49:18", "end": "01:49:22", "text": ">> And this and our our talking or our"}, {"start": "01:49:20", "end": "01:49:23", "text": "debriefing went on like I said two and a"}, {"start": "01:49:22", "end": "01:49:25", "text": "half or so hours."}, {"start": "01:49:23", "end": "01:49:26", "text": ">> A lot of things discussed there."}, {"start": "01:49:25", "end": "01:49:30", "text": ">> Yeah. And after what I'd already been"}, {"start": "01:49:26", "end": "01:49:33", "text": "through at at back at November control"}, {"start": "01:49:30", "end": "01:49:34", "text": "with masterard and grave. I mean, I"}, {"start": "01:49:33", "end": "01:49:36", "text": "don't know if any of those that one"}, {"start": "01:49:34", "end": "01:49:39", "text": "officer that was in in the room in the"}, {"start": "01:49:36", "end": "01:49:40", "text": "day in the day room with us and anybody"}, {"start": "01:49:39", "end": "01:49:43", "text": "else, maybe they made phone calls and"}, {"start": "01:49:40", "end": "01:49:45", "text": "had a maybe they had information that we"}, {"start": "01:49:43", "end": "01:49:47", "text": "talked about there and not in the"}, {"start": "01:49:45", "end": "01:49:50", "text": "commander's office because it just"}, {"start": "01:49:47", "end": "01:49:52", "text": "seemed as if they had something"}, {"start": "01:49:50", "end": "01:49:53", "text": "preset up before I got there. How did"}, {"start": "01:49:52", "end": "01:49:55", "text": "all how long did these people known"}, {"start": "01:49:53", "end": "01:49:56", "text": "about this before I even arrived? How"}, {"start": "01:49:55", "end": "01:49:58", "text": "long had they been in that room and what"}, {"start": "01:49:56", "end": "01:50:00", "text": "had they discussed? That that was a"}, {"start": "01:49:58", "end": "01:50:01", "text": "question that I brought to Rick Dodie"}, {"start": "01:50:00", "end": "01:50:03", "text": "when I finally made communication with"}, {"start": "01:50:01", "end": "01:50:05", "text": "him in"}, {"start": "01:50:03", "end": "01:50:07", "text": "201"}, {"start": "01:50:05", "end": "01:50:09", "text": "18 2019 2021 maybe."}, {"start": "01:50:07", "end": "01:50:12", "text": ">> Did he give you any information that you"}, {"start": "01:50:09", "end": "01:50:14", "text": "deemed valuable? He just simply said he"}, {"start": "01:50:12", "end": "01:50:18", "text": "was he um he knew of it and knew that"}, {"start": "01:50:14", "end": "01:50:20", "text": "there were two of us uh and that he was"}, {"start": "01:50:18", "end": "01:50:22", "text": "sent to medical to pick up our medical"}, {"start": "01:50:20", "end": "01:50:25", "text": "records because I was taken in the"}, {"start": "01:50:22", "end": "01:50:29", "text": "commander staff car by a driver over"}, {"start": "01:50:25", "end": "01:50:30", "text": "when our debriefing stopped"}, {"start": "01:50:29", "end": "01:50:33", "text": "uh in the commander's office. I was"}, {"start": "01:50:30", "end": "01:50:37", "text": "asked to go to um the flight surgeon's"}, {"start": "01:50:33", "end": "01:50:39", "text": "office to be examined. So I did as I was"}, {"start": "01:50:37", "end": "01:50:42", "text": "told and they all stayed behind. But"}, {"start": "01:50:39", "end": "01:50:45", "text": "when I got over when that driver took me"}, {"start": "01:50:42", "end": "01:50:46", "text": "over to um the hospital to the flight"}, {"start": "01:50:45", "end": "01:50:49", "text": "surgeon's office, there were there were"}, {"start": "01:50:46", "end": "01:50:53", "text": "two flight surgeons in there. And when I"}, {"start": "01:50:49", "end": "01:50:55", "text": "got there, Rick Dodie and that Jack"}, {"start": "01:50:53", "end": "01:50:58", "text": "Reed, they were already there. And this"}, {"start": "01:50:55", "end": "01:51:00", "text": "was the kind of uh uh examination room"}, {"start": "01:50:58", "end": "01:51:02", "text": "that had those it's important that I"}, {"start": "01:51:00", "end": "01:51:06", "text": "tell you this. It's they had those uh"}, {"start": "01:51:02", "end": "01:51:08", "text": "those gray dividers of the 50s60s"}, {"start": "01:51:06", "end": "01:51:10", "text": "vintage that uh separated like"}, {"start": "01:51:08", "end": "01:51:12", "text": "examination rooms and then they had like"}, {"start": "01:51:10", "end": "01:51:14", "text": "that wavy glass at the top of them. So"}, {"start": "01:51:12", "end": "01:51:16", "text": "they were on the outside of that looking"}, {"start": "01:51:14", "end": "01:51:18", "text": "toward where I was. And I went there was"}, {"start": "01:51:16", "end": "01:51:21", "text": "a nurse and there were two of these fly"}, {"start": "01:51:18", "end": "01:51:22", "text": "surgeons when I went in there. And uh"}, {"start": "01:51:21", "end": "01:51:24", "text": "the taller one said to me, he said,"}, {"start": "01:51:22", "end": "01:51:26", "text": "\"Senior Woods.\" He said, \"You had an"}, {"start": "01:51:24", "end": "01:51:27", "text": "interesting evening.\" I understand"}, {"start": "01:51:26", "end": "01:51:29", "text": "again."}, {"start": "01:51:27", "end": "01:51:31", "text": ">> So I just looked at him. I said, \"Yes,"}, {"start": "01:51:29", "end": "01:51:33", "text": "sir.\" He goes, \"Asked me if I disrobe,\""}, {"start": "01:51:31", "end": "01:51:37", "text": "which I did. And you know, down to my"}, {"start": "01:51:33", "end": "01:51:40", "text": "underwear and a wet t-shirt."}, {"start": "01:51:37", "end": "01:51:45", "text": "And uh so they examine me, eyes, nose,"}, {"start": "01:51:40", "end": "01:51:47", "text": "ears, throat, elbows, everything. And"}, {"start": "01:51:45", "end": "01:51:48", "text": "just talking and talking between"}, {"start": "01:51:47", "end": "01:51:50", "text": "themselves. They'd walk off for a"}, {"start": "01:51:48", "end": "01:51:53", "text": "second. They talk. And that whole"}, {"start": "01:51:50", "end": "01:51:56", "text": "process probably took 30 40 minutes to"}, {"start": "01:51:53", "end": "01:51:59", "text": "do that. And then the the the short one"}, {"start": "01:51:56", "end": "01:52:01", "text": "came over and uh he reached into a box"}, {"start": "01:51:59", "end": "01:52:03", "text": "as he was talking to me and he says,"}, {"start": "01:52:01", "end": "01:52:05", "text": "\"How you feeling?\" And I I said, \"I feel"}, {"start": "01:52:03", "end": "01:52:06", "text": "okay.\" I said, \"I'm a little tired. I"}, {"start": "01:52:05", "end": "01:52:09", "text": "haven't slept in, you know, a long"}, {"start": "01:52:06", "end": "01:52:11", "text": "time.\" And he reaches in to get one of"}, {"start": "01:52:09", "end": "01:52:13", "text": "these gloves and pops it on his hand."}, {"start": "01:52:11", "end": "01:52:14", "text": "Well, you know, I immediately thought,"}, {"start": "01:52:13", "end": "01:52:16", "text": ">> \"Oh,"}, {"start": "01:52:14", "end": "01:52:18", "text": ">> you know, I wasn't ready for that.\" But"}, {"start": "01:52:16", "end": "01:52:20", "text": "I get I had to participate. That's one"}, {"start": "01:52:18", "end": "01:52:21", "text": "thing about the military. When they're"}, {"start": "01:52:20", "end": "01:52:25", "text": "going to do something, they're going to"}, {"start": "01:52:21", "end": "01:52:28", "text": "do it, you know. And uh so I just kind"}, {"start": "01:52:25", "end": "01:52:32", "text": "of Okay. Well, here we go. And he goes,"}, {"start": "01:52:28", "end": "01:52:34", "text": "\"Do you mind if I um I need to look at"}, {"start": "01:52:32", "end": "01:52:37", "text": "your gums?\""}, {"start": "01:52:34", "end": "01:52:37", "text": "I said, \"What?\""}, {"start": "01:52:41", "end": "01:52:45", "text": ">> Michael Johnson"}, {"start": "01:52:43", "end": "01:52:47", "text": "was still in the hospital while I was"}, {"start": "01:52:45", "end": "01:52:50", "text": "there. I don't I didn't see him, but I"}, {"start": "01:52:47", "end": "01:52:51", "text": "sensed him for some reason."}, {"start": "01:52:50", "end": "01:52:54", "text": "I couldn't talk to him. He wouldn't let"}, {"start": "01:52:51", "end": "01:52:56", "text": "me see him again."}, {"start": "01:52:54", "end": "01:52:59", "text": "He goes, \"I need I need to look at your"}, {"start": "01:52:56", "end": "01:52:59", "text": "gums.\""}, {"start": "01:53:00", "end": "01:53:07", "text": "I'd never had braces or cavities or"}, {"start": "01:53:02", "end": "01:53:07", "text": "anything in my life."}, {"start": "01:53:08", "end": "01:53:12", "text": "And uh you know, always I always I was"}, {"start": "01:53:10", "end": "01:53:15", "text": "always good on that on that point. And"}, {"start": "01:53:12", "end": "01:53:17", "text": "uh so I opened my mouth and this man"}, {"start": "01:53:15", "end": "01:53:19", "text": "took his thumb and his index finger and"}, {"start": "01:53:17", "end": "01:53:21", "text": "he spent about two two and a half"}, {"start": "01:53:19", "end": "01:53:24", "text": "minutes in my mouth just squeezing my"}, {"start": "01:53:21", "end": "01:53:27", "text": "gums really hard, pressing down against"}, {"start": "01:53:24", "end": "01:53:29", "text": "the floor of my of my jaw inside, thumb"}, {"start": "01:53:27", "end": "01:53:33", "text": "up in the roof of the mouth. And he just"}, {"start": "01:53:29", "end": "01:53:36", "text": "really just kind of sectored every part"}, {"start": "01:53:33", "end": "01:53:38", "text": "of the inside of my mouth all the way"}, {"start": "01:53:36", "end": "01:53:40", "text": "back to where I had wisdom teeth at the"}, {"start": "01:53:38", "end": "01:53:41", "text": "time. all the way back into my wisdom"}, {"start": "01:53:40", "end": "01:53:44", "text": "teeth"}, {"start": "01:53:41", "end": "01:53:46", "text": "and just pressing and pushing and you"}, {"start": "01:53:44", "end": "01:53:48", "text": "know and he would say something to"}, {"start": "01:53:46", "end": "01:53:50", "text": "himself but I really couldn't make heads"}, {"start": "01:53:48", "end": "01:53:51", "text": "or tails of what he was saying. He"}, {"start": "01:53:50", "end": "01:53:53", "text": "didn't really speak something like a"}, {"start": "01:53:51", "end": "01:53:56", "text": "word that you know like I see this or I"}, {"start": "01:53:53", "end": "01:53:58", "text": "see that or he when he stopped he walked"}, {"start": "01:53:56", "end": "01:54:00", "text": "back over to the tall guy and they just"}, {"start": "01:53:58", "end": "01:54:02", "text": "turned their backs to me and they were"}, {"start": "01:54:00", "end": "01:54:05", "text": "10 ft away or so. The nurse is standing"}, {"start": "01:54:02", "end": "01:54:07", "text": "over there and then she they turn around"}, {"start": "01:54:05", "end": "01:54:08", "text": "and say something to her and she walks"}, {"start": "01:54:07", "end": "01:54:11", "text": "over and she's got a little metal plate"}, {"start": "01:54:08", "end": "01:54:14", "text": "about like or tray and it's got two"}, {"start": "01:54:11", "end": "01:54:16", "text": "vials on it about that long and they"}, {"start": "01:54:14", "end": "01:54:20", "text": "were um they were not glass they were"}, {"start": "01:54:16", "end": "01:54:22", "text": "they were a metal metal vial"}, {"start": "01:54:20", "end": "01:54:25", "text": "and he goes um he walked back over to me"}, {"start": "01:54:22", "end": "01:54:27", "text": "both of them did"}, {"start": "01:54:25", "end": "01:54:28", "text": "say anything else about my about my gum"}, {"start": "01:54:27", "end": "01:54:30", "text": "at all. I mean, I'm still feeling, you"}, {"start": "01:54:28", "end": "01:54:32", "text": "know, I'm still feeling the pressure it"}, {"start": "01:54:30", "end": "01:54:34", "text": "was he left in my mouth when he when he"}, {"start": "01:54:32", "end": "01:54:35", "text": "stopped."}, {"start": "01:54:34", "end": "01:54:38", "text": "So, I didn't know what was coming next,"}, {"start": "01:54:35", "end": "01:54:39", "text": "but he goes, \"Um,\""}, {"start": "01:54:38", "end": "01:54:41", "text": "he goes, \"You know, you have a couple of"}, {"start": "01:54:39", "end": "01:54:43", "text": "you have some burns on your body.\" And I"}, {"start": "01:54:41", "end": "01:54:45", "text": "said, \"Excuse me?\" He goes, \"Yeah, you"}, {"start": "01:54:43", "end": "01:54:46", "text": "got\" He reached up and he grabbed me by"}, {"start": "01:54:45", "end": "01:54:47", "text": "the he goes, \"Right up here.\" He said,"}, {"start": "01:54:46", "end": "01:54:50", "text": "\"You got a little you got a little burn"}, {"start": "01:54:47", "end": "01:54:51", "text": "right here above this eye.\" And he said,"}, {"start": "01:54:50", "end": "01:54:53", "text": "\"Look on your hand.\" And I went like"}, {"start": "01:54:51", "end": "01:54:55", "text": "this. And you know, I'm an old Tampa"}, {"start": "01:54:53", "end": "01:54:57", "text": "boy, so I know what sunburn's like. And"}, {"start": "01:54:55", "end": "01:54:59", "text": "when you spend time like in the"}, {"start": "01:54:57", "end": "01:55:01", "text": "Northwest"}, {"start": "01:54:59", "end": "01:55:03", "text": "in a long period of time and then you go"}, {"start": "01:55:01", "end": "01:55:04", "text": "down to Tampa, Florida and you lay on"}, {"start": "01:55:03", "end": "01:55:07", "text": "the beach, you're going to get smoked"}, {"start": "01:55:04", "end": "01:55:09", "text": "because that happened to me. But I could"}, {"start": "01:55:07", "end": "01:55:11", "text": "feel it when they said that and really"}, {"start": "01:55:09", "end": "01:55:15", "text": "felt it more the next day. So he opens"}, {"start": "01:55:11", "end": "01:55:17", "text": "up this vial and it had a tool in it. He"}, {"start": "01:55:15", "end": "01:55:19", "text": "opens it up and he takes first he does"}, {"start": "01:55:17", "end": "01:55:20", "text": "the hand first and he takes a sample"}, {"start": "01:55:19", "end": "01:55:23", "text": "from over here and then one from over"}, {"start": "01:55:20", "end": "01:55:25", "text": "here and it's on the same tool."}, {"start": "01:55:23", "end": "01:55:27", "text": ">> How is it a sample? It's just like a"}, {"start": "01:55:25", "end": "01:55:29", "text": "tweezer with a blunt end on it like"}, {"start": "01:55:27", "end": "01:55:30", "text": "this. And he just kind of go like that."}, {"start": "01:55:29", "end": "01:55:32", "text": ">> Takes a piece of skin."}, {"start": "01:55:30", "end": "01:55:34", "text": ">> Takes a piece of skin. And then he goes"}, {"start": "01:55:32", "end": "01:55:35", "text": "and he he goes to the next location. He"}, {"start": "01:55:34", "end": "01:55:39", "text": "does the same thing, but it's it's"}, {"start": "01:55:35", "end": "01:55:41", "text": "together. I mean, it wasn't"}, {"start": "01:55:39", "end": "01:55:43", "text": "the same. That that piece of meat was"}, {"start": "01:55:41", "end": "01:55:44", "text": "with this piece. I guess it just put it"}, {"start": "01:55:43", "end": "01:55:46", "text": "all together. He just snip snip like"}, {"start": "01:55:44", "end": "01:55:48", "text": "that. And then he reached up and he put"}, {"start": "01:55:46", "end": "01:55:50", "text": "it in that little vial and put a a"}, {"start": "01:55:48", "end": "01:55:51", "text": "rubber stopper on top of it. Laid it"}, {"start": "01:55:50", "end": "01:55:53", "text": "down on the tray. And he got the other"}, {"start": "01:55:51", "end": "01:55:56", "text": "one out. And he right here above my eye."}, {"start": "01:55:53", "end": "01:55:58", "text": "And he did the same thing. And they took"}, {"start": "01:55:56", "end": "01:56:00", "text": "they just took samples. Didn't take"}, {"start": "01:55:58", "end": "01:56:02", "text": "blood, didn't take urine, nothing. No"}, {"start": "01:56:00", "end": "01:56:05", "text": "nothing. Didn't take hair sample,"}, {"start": "01:56:02", "end": "01:56:07", "text": "nothing, put it on the vial. The nurse"}, {"start": "01:56:05", "end": "01:56:09", "text": "came over and picked the stuff up. Went"}, {"start": "01:56:07", "end": "01:56:10", "text": "over there with it and put it down. They"}, {"start": "01:56:09", "end": "01:56:13", "text": "went over and talked for a few more"}, {"start": "01:56:10", "end": "01:56:14", "text": "minutes. And he said, \"Um, Senior"}, {"start": "01:56:13", "end": "01:56:16", "text": "Woods.\" He says, \"You can go ahead and"}, {"start": "01:56:14", "end": "01:56:18", "text": "get dressed.\" He says, \"If we got any"}, {"start": "01:56:16", "end": "01:56:19", "text": "questions, we'll let you know.\" And I"}, {"start": "01:56:18", "end": "01:56:20", "text": "said, \"Yes, sir.\""}, {"start": "01:56:19", "end": "01:56:22", "text": ">> You got any questions?"}, {"start": "01:56:20", "end": "01:56:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. If I got Yeah."}, {"start": "01:56:22", "end": "01:56:28", "text": ">> I'm sorry. Yeah. Well,"}, {"start": "01:56:25", "end": "01:56:30", "text": ">> if you got questions, how rude."}, {"start": "01:56:28", "end": "01:56:32", "text": ">> Yeah, they don't they don't care, man."}, {"start": "01:56:30", "end": "01:56:33", "text": ">> They Yeah. No, I know. I get it."}, {"start": "01:56:32", "end": "01:56:36", "text": ">> They really don't care."}, {"start": "01:56:33", "end": "01:56:39", "text": ">> But God. And I So, and then they just"}, {"start": "01:56:36", "end": "01:56:40", "text": "left. So, here I am, you know, putting"}, {"start": "01:56:39", "end": "01:56:43", "text": "my stuff back on. My clothes are still"}, {"start": "01:56:40", "end": "01:56:44", "text": "wet from the bath I took in the sink."}, {"start": "01:56:43", "end": "01:56:46", "text": "You know, I'm thinking, how much more"}, {"start": "01:56:44", "end": "01:56:49", "text": "this am I going? The nurse was gone, but"}, {"start": "01:56:46", "end": "01:56:50", "text": "those OSI guys were gone, too. There was"}, {"start": "01:56:49", "end": "01:56:52", "text": "nobody out there. So, I was really"}, {"start": "01:56:50", "end": "01:56:55", "text": "literally by myself. off and I walked"}, {"start": "01:56:52", "end": "01:56:57", "text": "out the way I came in and in the hallway"}, {"start": "01:56:55", "end": "01:56:59", "text": "there was a driver for the commander's"}, {"start": "01:56:57", "end": "01:57:03", "text": "vehicle. So I saw him and he was just he"}, {"start": "01:56:59", "end": "01:57:04", "text": "was an airman airman first I think and"}, {"start": "01:57:03", "end": "01:57:06", "text": "I didn't even say anything to him. I"}, {"start": "01:57:04", "end": "01:57:09", "text": "just walked out and got in the backseat"}, {"start": "01:57:06", "end": "01:57:10", "text": "of the vehicle and I said I remember"}, {"start": "01:57:09", "end": "01:57:12", "text": "saying some I don't know what that was"}, {"start": "01:57:10", "end": "01:57:14", "text": "all about but they didn't tell me a damn"}, {"start": "01:57:12", "end": "01:57:16", "text": "thing and he didn't say anything at all."}, {"start": "01:57:14", "end": "01:57:18", "text": "Drove me back to to the SATA building"}, {"start": "01:57:16", "end": "01:57:20", "text": "got out. He made sure I went to the"}, {"start": "01:57:18", "end": "01:57:22", "text": "commander's office too. It seemed like"}, {"start": "01:57:20", "end": "01:57:26", "text": "they wanted to really watch everything"}, {"start": "01:57:22", "end": "01:57:28", "text": "that I did where I went, you know, in in"}, {"start": "01:57:26", "end": "01:57:30", "text": "going to these different to those"}, {"start": "01:57:28", "end": "01:57:31", "text": "places, whether it be over to the"}, {"start": "01:57:30", "end": "01:57:32", "text": "examination area with the flight"}, {"start": "01:57:31", "end": "01:57:33", "text": "surgeons and then back to the"}, {"start": "01:57:32", "end": "01:57:35", "text": "commander's office. They didn't want to"}, {"start": "01:57:33", "end": "01:57:37", "text": "lose sight of me or something. So, I go"}, {"start": "01:57:35", "end": "01:57:38", "text": "back in and I got to do the formal"}, {"start": "01:57:37", "end": "01:57:42", "text": "report in again now. And all them all"}, {"start": "01:57:38", "end": "01:57:44", "text": "those people are staged back in there."}, {"start": "01:57:42", "end": "01:57:47", "text": "This is a spectacle."}, {"start": "01:57:44", "end": "01:57:50", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "01:57:47", "end": "01:57:52", "text": "so I go back in and report in"}, {"start": "01:57:50", "end": "01:57:54", "text": "Colonel Breaker."}, {"start": "01:57:52", "end": "01:57:55", "text": "He doesn't really tell me to stand at"}, {"start": "01:57:54", "end": "01:57:59", "text": "ease. I'm standing there at attention"}, {"start": "01:57:55", "end": "01:58:00", "text": "and he he um he says he gives me a a"}, {"start": "01:57:59", "end": "01:58:04", "text": "form"}, {"start": "01:58:00", "end": "01:58:05", "text": "and a pen and he says, \"Uh, I'm going"}, {"start": "01:58:04", "end": "01:58:07", "text": "put you in this little conference room"}, {"start": "01:58:05", "end": "01:58:09", "text": "right here.\" He goes, \"I want you to"}, {"start": "01:58:07", "end": "01:58:11", "text": "write everything that's happened to you"}, {"start": "01:58:09", "end": "01:58:12", "text": "and what we've discuss everything.\" He"}, {"start": "01:58:11", "end": "01:58:17", "text": "says, \"I want you to do a full report"}, {"start": "01:58:12", "end": "01:58:20", "text": "from when you first saw this thing to"}, {"start": "01:58:17", "end": "01:58:23", "text": "being picked, everything said from A to"}, {"start": "01:58:20", "end": "01:58:26", "text": "Z to being here.\" And I said, \"Yes,"}, {"start": "01:58:23", "end": "01:58:28", "text": "sir.\" And I I"}, {"start": "01:58:26", "end": "01:58:30", "text": "you know, I felt that wasn't the easy"}, {"start": "01:58:28", "end": "01:58:32", "text": "part. What I'd gone through already was"}, {"start": "01:58:30", "end": "01:58:34", "text": "the hard part. I still didn't know how I"}, {"start": "01:58:32", "end": "01:58:36", "text": "was going to explain this to my wife and"}, {"start": "01:58:34", "end": "01:58:37", "text": "the two band-aids on me. And mind you, I"}, {"start": "01:58:36", "end": "01:58:38", "text": "should have been in the missile field"}, {"start": "01:58:37", "end": "01:58:40", "text": "three days and come in the morning of"}, {"start": "01:58:38", "end": "01:58:42", "text": "the fourth, come back the morning of the"}, {"start": "01:58:40", "end": "01:58:45", "text": "fourth. Well, I'd only been out one day."}, {"start": "01:58:42", "end": "01:58:48", "text": "This happened. Now I'm back in one day,"}, {"start": "01:58:45", "end": "01:58:51", "text": "you know, the next day."}, {"start": "01:58:48", "end": "01:58:54", "text": "And I got band-aids on me. So, this"}, {"start": "01:58:51", "end": "01:58:56", "text": "small just this but the question was"}, {"start": "01:58:54", "end": "01:58:58", "text": "going to be asked and I knew it and I"}, {"start": "01:58:56", "end": "01:59:01", "text": "didn't know how to"}, {"start": "01:58:58", "end": "01:59:03", "text": "answer that. But, so I went in there and"}, {"start": "01:59:01", "end": "01:59:05", "text": "I sat down at this oak desk at the end"}, {"start": "01:59:03", "end": "01:59:07", "text": "of the in these old wooden chairs, oak"}, {"start": "01:59:05", "end": "01:59:08", "text": "chairs. I just try to take a mental"}, {"start": "01:59:07", "end": "01:59:10", "text": "picture of all these things, you know,"}, {"start": "01:59:08", "end": "01:59:13", "text": "because I knew they were going to be"}, {"start": "01:59:10", "end": "01:59:14", "text": "important some way or another. I don't"}, {"start": "01:59:13", "end": "01:59:18", "text": "know. I think to prove myself or"}, {"start": "01:59:14", "end": "01:59:21", "text": "something. So, I I took about the next"}, {"start": "01:59:18", "end": "01:59:23", "text": "hour and a half, maybe more, and I"}, {"start": "01:59:21", "end": "01:59:26", "text": "printed this whole thing. Oh, and any"}, {"start": "01:59:23", "end": "01:59:27", "text": "mistake that you made, you have to line"}, {"start": "01:59:26", "end": "01:59:30", "text": "through the word and put an initial on"}, {"start": "01:59:27", "end": "01:59:33", "text": "it. Know that. So,"}, {"start": "01:59:30", "end": "01:59:35", "text": "so I wrote from A to Z the entire"}, {"start": "01:59:33", "end": "01:59:38", "text": "incident. Michael Johnson's name, the"}, {"start": "01:59:35", "end": "01:59:41", "text": "initi I even knew the time of the uh the"}, {"start": "01:59:38", "end": "01:59:43", "text": "alarm. I mean, everything all the other"}, {"start": "01:59:41", "end": "01:59:46", "text": "information was in the security police"}, {"start": "01:59:43", "end": "01:59:47", "text": "blotter at November control. So that"}, {"start": "01:59:46", "end": "01:59:48", "text": "would be turned in on the fourth day."}, {"start": "01:59:47", "end": "01:59:51", "text": "Unless it was circumvented, they went"}, {"start": "01:59:48", "end": "01:59:53", "text": "out there and got it. I don't know."}, {"start": "01:59:51", "end": "01:59:54", "text": "Because each blott when we arrived in"}, {"start": "01:59:53", "end": "01:59:56", "text": "the missile field, and this is what"}, {"start": "01:59:54", "end": "01:59:59", "text": "really gets me, trying to locate Michael"}, {"start": "01:59:56", "end": "02:00:01", "text": "Johnson,"}, {"start": "01:59:59", "end": "02:00:03", "text": "everybody's name, rank, and social"}, {"start": "02:00:01", "end": "02:00:05", "text": "security number is on that security"}, {"start": "02:00:03", "end": "02:00:07", "text": "police blotter. When you first get to"}, {"start": "02:00:05", "end": "02:00:09", "text": "the field, that's an entry that for"}, {"start": "02:00:07", "end": "02:00:11", "text": "every single person on that site, that"}, {"start": "02:00:09", "end": "02:00:13", "text": "information is there. So, that is"}, {"start": "02:00:11", "end": "02:00:15", "text": "somewhere."}, {"start": "02:00:13", "end": "02:00:17", "text": "And you could locate him by a social"}, {"start": "02:00:15", "end": "02:00:19", "text": "security number. I don't care where he"}, {"start": "02:00:17", "end": "02:00:22", "text": "is. If he pays taxes in this country, we"}, {"start": "02:00:19", "end": "02:00:25", "text": "could find him. But yeah, no, they Arrow"}, {"start": "02:00:22", "end": "02:00:29", "text": "or FBI or anybody else, they've not done"}, {"start": "02:00:25", "end": "02:00:32", "text": "that yet. And I challenge them to do so."}, {"start": "02:00:29", "end": "02:00:33", "text": "So I write this whole thing up."}, {"start": "02:00:32", "end": "02:00:35", "text": "It takes me a while. And they're still"}, {"start": "02:00:33", "end": "02:00:37", "text": "out there. They didn't leave. I don't"}, {"start": "02:00:35", "end": "02:00:39", "text": "They're drinking coffee, what they were"}, {"start": "02:00:37", "end": "02:00:41", "text": "talking about, what they're doing. So I"}, {"start": "02:00:39", "end": "02:00:43", "text": "So I go back out there, go back to his"}, {"start": "02:00:41", "end": "02:00:45", "text": "desk, stand in front of an attention,"}, {"start": "02:00:43", "end": "02:00:46", "text": "hand it to him, put it on his desk. He"}, {"start": "02:00:45", "end": "02:00:48", "text": "turns it around. He takes and he's"}, {"start": "02:00:46", "end": "02:00:49", "text": "reading it, looking at it, looking at"}, {"start": "02:00:48", "end": "02:00:52", "text": "it, going through it. I mean, fine tooth"}, {"start": "02:00:49", "end": "02:00:56", "text": "combing. And it's this thing is in"}, {"start": "02:00:52", "end": "02:00:58", "text": "carbon copy. It's a it's three copies,"}, {"start": "02:00:56", "end": "02:01:02", "text": "you know, from from one page. And I and"}, {"start": "02:00:58", "end": "02:01:04", "text": "I had two pages of it. And it's super"}, {"start": "02:01:02", "end": "02:01:06", "text": "super printed small, but because there's"}, {"start": "02:01:04", "end": "02:01:06", "text": "a lot of information there, you know."}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:01:06", "end": "02:01:10", "text": ">> I wasn't given a copy. I wasn't offered"}, {"start": "02:01:08", "end": "02:01:12", "text": "a copy"}, {"start": "02:01:10", "end": "02:01:14", "text": "of anything. And once that was done and"}, {"start": "02:01:12", "end": "02:01:16", "text": "it's signed, I signed it on the bottom."}, {"start": "02:01:14", "end": "02:01:20", "text": "Had my name, rank, or social security"}, {"start": "02:01:16", "end": "02:01:23", "text": "number. Everything on that form."}, {"start": "02:01:20", "end": "02:01:25", "text": "He takes it, sits it on his on the side"}, {"start": "02:01:23", "end": "02:01:27", "text": "on his right side on his desk and then"}, {"start": "02:01:25", "end": "02:01:30", "text": "he motions over for uh Captain Jack"}, {"start": "02:01:27", "end": "02:01:33", "text": "Reed. He comes over and he's got a form."}, {"start": "02:01:30", "end": "02:01:34", "text": "And that's the part where I guess I you"}, {"start": "02:01:33", "end": "02:01:37", "text": "I don't know if we called it a"}, {"start": "02:01:34", "end": "02:01:39", "text": "non-disclosure at that time. But they"}, {"start": "02:01:37", "end": "02:01:41", "text": "read me the riot act and said that"}, {"start": "02:01:39", "end": "02:01:43", "text": "everything said within this confines of"}, {"start": "02:01:41", "end": "02:01:45", "text": "this room and the people that know about"}, {"start": "02:01:43", "end": "02:01:48", "text": "this incident shall not speak about it"}, {"start": "02:01:45", "end": "02:01:50", "text": "to anyone else in any way, fashion or"}, {"start": "02:01:48", "end": "02:01:53", "text": "form, including you know spouses,"}, {"start": "02:01:50", "end": "02:01:54", "text": "brothers, sisters, anybody that only the"}, {"start": "02:01:53", "end": "02:01:55", "text": "people in this room shall know about"}, {"start": "02:01:54", "end": "02:01:58", "text": "this and the people that are involved"}, {"start": "02:01:55", "end": "02:02:00", "text": "with the initial investigation from back"}, {"start": "02:01:58", "end": "02:02:02", "text": "in November control."}, {"start": "02:02:00", "end": "02:02:04", "text": "And I agreed to it and I said yes sir."}, {"start": "02:02:02", "end": "02:02:06", "text": "So he turned around, turned it around to"}, {"start": "02:02:04", "end": "02:02:08", "text": "me, and I've read pretty much everything"}, {"start": "02:02:06", "end": "02:02:12", "text": "I just described there. And I signed it"}, {"start": "02:02:08", "end": "02:02:15", "text": "and and put my I signed it, put my name,"}, {"start": "02:02:12", "end": "02:02:17", "text": "rank, and and it was dated and"}, {"start": "02:02:15", "end": "02:02:21", "text": "everything. My social security number"}, {"start": "02:02:17", "end": "02:02:24", "text": "was on it. And um"}, {"start": "02:02:21", "end": "02:02:26", "text": "I wanted to ask, well, do I get a copy"}, {"start": "02:02:24", "end": "02:02:30", "text": "of that? I didn't. They wouldn't give me"}, {"start": "02:02:26", "end": "02:02:33", "text": "a copy of anything. The medical records,"}, {"start": "02:02:30", "end": "02:02:39", "text": "no. no copy of any medical records at"}, {"start": "02:02:33", "end": "02:02:41", "text": "all. So once they were were I guess uh"}, {"start": "02:02:39", "end": "02:02:44", "text": "pleased with what they had"}, {"start": "02:02:41", "end": "02:02:45", "text": "after they read reviewed and they I did"}, {"start": "02:02:44", "end": "02:02:47", "text": "have to go back into the other room"}, {"start": "02:02:45", "end": "02:02:49", "text": "while they talked amongst themselves for"}, {"start": "02:02:47", "end": "02:02:51", "text": "I don't know 10 or 15 minutes. I came"}, {"start": "02:02:49", "end": "02:02:54", "text": "back out"}, {"start": "02:02:51", "end": "02:02:56", "text": "and then I reported back uh to Colonel"}, {"start": "02:02:54", "end": "02:02:59", "text": "Spreer and he said uh you can you can"}, {"start": "02:02:56", "end": "02:03:01", "text": "call you know home or whatever you got"}, {"start": "02:02:59", "end": "02:03:03", "text": "to do to to uh you can go home the rest"}, {"start": "02:03:01", "end": "02:03:06", "text": "of the day. So that gave me, you know,"}, {"start": "02:03:03", "end": "02:03:07", "text": "not only three those three days, but it"}, {"start": "02:03:06", "end": "02:03:10", "text": "gave me an additional three days off,"}, {"start": "02:03:07", "end": "02:03:12", "text": "you know, to just ponder this whole"}, {"start": "02:03:10", "end": "02:03:14", "text": "thing and get this in my mind because I"}, {"start": "02:03:12", "end": "02:03:17", "text": "knew it was going to be people, uh,"}, {"start": "02:03:14", "end": "02:03:19", "text": "especially who, you know, uh, my wife"}, {"start": "02:03:17", "end": "02:03:20", "text": "that I had to explain this to. And then"}, {"start": "02:03:19", "end": "02:03:22", "text": "there, of course, there were friends of"}, {"start": "02:03:20", "end": "02:03:23", "text": "mine that I work with, they're going to"}, {"start": "02:03:22", "end": "02:03:25", "text": "have questions. Well, they weren't even"}, {"start": "02:03:23", "end": "02:03:27", "text": "allowed to ask me questions, you know,"}, {"start": "02:03:25", "end": "02:03:30", "text": "and I didn't see any of them for a long"}, {"start": "02:03:27", "end": "02:03:32", "text": "long period of time cuz they just keep"}, {"start": "02:03:30", "end": "02:03:34", "text": "you separated. And again, they never"}, {"start": "02:03:32", "end": "02:03:36", "text": "sent me back to November control. I went"}, {"start": "02:03:34", "end": "02:03:39", "text": "to Kilo control, which was the alternate"}, {"start": "02:03:36", "end": "02:03:41", "text": "command post. Wing security control is"}, {"start": "02:03:39", "end": "02:03:43", "text": "the command post for all activities in"}, {"start": "02:03:41", "end": "02:03:45", "text": "and around the missile field or or every"}, {"start": "02:03:43", "end": "02:03:48", "text": "all things to do with missiles. In the"}, {"start": "02:03:45", "end": "02:03:49", "text": "event that CSC security control or wing"}, {"start": "02:03:48", "end": "02:03:53", "text": "security control however you want to"}, {"start": "02:03:49", "end": "02:03:55", "text": "call it was compromised then kilo"}, {"start": "02:03:53", "end": "02:03:57", "text": "control stands in as that control"}, {"start": "02:03:55", "end": "02:04:00", "text": "facility and direction because all the"}, {"start": "02:03:57", "end": "02:04:02", "text": "supervision and all the officers reside"}, {"start": "02:04:00", "end": "02:04:04", "text": "at kilo control which is right up next"}, {"start": "02:04:02", "end": "02:04:07", "text": "to the Wyoming border in as a sister"}, {"start": "02:04:04", "end": "02:04:09", "text": "flight to November control."}, {"start": "02:04:07", "end": "02:04:11", "text": "So they had me there and put me with a"}, {"start": "02:04:09", "end": "02:04:14", "text": "guy named Mark Wade. We had the same"}, {"start": "02:04:11", "end": "02:04:17", "text": "initials."}, {"start": "02:04:14", "end": "02:04:20", "text": "He was a really nice guy and um he knew"}, {"start": "02:04:17", "end": "02:04:22", "text": "about it and he was the one that I saw"}, {"start": "02:04:20", "end": "02:04:25", "text": "two mutilated cattle with"}, {"start": "02:04:22", "end": "02:04:27", "text": ">> in the Kilo area early one morning about"}, {"start": "02:04:25", "end": "02:04:30", "text": "well about 10:00 a.m. We we had to sleep"}, {"start": "02:04:27", "end": "02:04:34", "text": "on a missile site uh until maintenance"}, {"start": "02:04:30", "end": "02:04:36", "text": "team got there and there was a"}, {"start": "02:04:34", "end": "02:04:40", "text": "an investigation going on with local law"}, {"start": "02:04:36", "end": "02:04:42", "text": "enforcement uh at a corral area where"}, {"start": "02:04:40", "end": "02:04:44", "text": "there were two mutilated cattle and we"}, {"start": "02:04:42", "end": "02:04:46", "text": "stopped and looked at them"}, {"start": "02:04:44", "end": "02:04:48", "text": ">> the missing skin the whole deal"}, {"start": "02:04:46", "end": "02:04:50", "text": ">> trimmed around the mouth area you know"}, {"start": "02:04:48", "end": "02:04:52", "text": "and I didn't know anything about that I"}, {"start": "02:04:50", "end": "02:04:53", "text": "did know about Linda Molton how looking"}, {"start": "02:04:52", "end": "02:04:56", "text": "for him at that time"}, {"start": "02:04:53", "end": "02:04:59", "text": ">> or you know and there was another thing"}, {"start": "02:04:56", "end": "02:05:02", "text": "that I want to say is that when all this"}, {"start": "02:04:59", "end": "02:05:05", "text": "stuff started going on the there was a"}, {"start": "02:05:02", "end": "02:05:08", "text": "that newspaper or the um"}, {"start": "02:05:05", "end": "02:05:09", "text": "everybody can't stand to read"}, {"start": "02:05:08", "end": "02:05:12", "text": ">> or inquir"}, {"start": "02:05:09", "end": "02:05:14", "text": ">> inquir they were they had people going"}, {"start": "02:05:12", "end": "02:05:17", "text": "through all the missile sites not the"}, {"start": "02:05:14", "end": "02:05:19", "text": "sites themselves but Minot Malstrom cuz"}, {"start": "02:05:17", "end": "02:05:21", "text": "you know like what had happened to"}, {"start": "02:05:19", "end": "02:05:24", "text": "Robert Salis you know at Malstrom"}, {"start": "02:05:21", "end": "02:05:26", "text": ">> you know in ' 67 wasn't it 67 and what"}, {"start": "02:05:24", "end": "02:05:27", "text": "had happened at Minot so they had all"}, {"start": "02:05:26", "end": "02:05:29", "text": "these people out trying to gather these"}, {"start": "02:05:27", "end": "02:05:30", "text": "stories and we were told of course we"}, {"start": "02:05:29", "end": "02:05:32", "text": "couldn't talk to anybody."}, {"start": "02:05:30", "end": "02:05:33", "text": ">> You were told formally."}, {"start": "02:05:32", "end": "02:05:36", "text": ">> Yeah. You don't speak to anybody any"}, {"start": "02:05:33", "end": "02:05:38", "text": "news media whatsoever. Uh"}, {"start": "02:05:36", "end": "02:05:40", "text": "and they didn't call it news media. They"}, {"start": "02:05:38", "end": "02:05:43", "text": "just said news people at that time. They"}, {"start": "02:05:40", "end": "02:05:46", "text": "didn't have a word for media."}, {"start": "02:05:43", "end": "02:05:47", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:05:46", "end": "02:05:51", "text": "so that's where I had to live out the"}, {"start": "02:05:47", "end": "02:05:53", "text": "rest of my stay uh at Ellsworth Air"}, {"start": "02:05:51", "end": "02:05:55", "text": "Force Base was at Kilo Control with Mark"}, {"start": "02:05:53", "end": "02:05:57", "text": "Wade and"}, {"start": "02:05:55", "end": "02:05:59", "text": "which was okay. I just tried to put it"}, {"start": "02:05:57", "end": "02:06:01", "text": "all behind me and think that it would"}, {"start": "02:05:59", "end": "02:06:04", "text": "never happen again, you know, and and it"}, {"start": "02:06:01", "end": "02:06:08", "text": "would all be forgotten about. But still"}, {"start": "02:06:04", "end": "02:06:11", "text": "the fact always remained that"}, {"start": "02:06:08", "end": "02:06:14", "text": "for weeks I worried about not doing my"}, {"start": "02:06:11", "end": "02:06:15", "text": "job. Was I going to be article 15 or"}, {"start": "02:06:14", "end": "02:06:16", "text": "what was going to happen to me which"}, {"start": "02:06:15", "end": "02:06:18", "text": "didn't happen? And then"}, {"start": "02:06:16", "end": "02:06:20", "text": ">> what's article 15? That's uh under the"}, {"start": "02:06:18", "end": "02:06:22", "text": "uniform code of military justice where"}, {"start": "02:06:20", "end": "02:06:25", "text": "they see that you've done something you"}, {"start": "02:06:22", "end": "02:06:28", "text": "know unscrupulous or illegal or you did"}, {"start": "02:06:25", "end": "02:06:30", "text": "some you just did anything that they"}, {"start": "02:06:28", "end": "02:06:32", "text": "don't approve of and you caused damage"}, {"start": "02:06:30", "end": "02:06:34", "text": "or hurt you know there's many of things"}, {"start": "02:06:32", "end": "02:06:36", "text": "your hair can be touched in your ear and"}, {"start": "02:06:34", "end": "02:06:39", "text": "a commander see you and"}, {"start": "02:06:36", "end": "02:06:40", "text": "you know you're out of 3510 standards"}, {"start": "02:06:39", "end": "02:06:42", "text": "you know like you can't have that beard"}, {"start": "02:06:40", "end": "02:06:45", "text": "you can't have this and they can article"}, {"start": "02:06:42", "end": "02:06:48", "text": "15 you suspend your rank for 6 months"}, {"start": "02:06:45", "end": "02:06:50", "text": "take $600 or $800 from you or more and"}, {"start": "02:06:48", "end": "02:06:51", "text": "it just, you know, you don't make that"}, {"start": "02:06:50", "end": "02:06:52", "text": "much money anyway. I mean, they make a"}, {"start": "02:06:51", "end": "02:06:54", "text": "lot more now than we did that."}, {"start": "02:06:52", "end": "02:06:54", "text": ">> They use that threat quite regularly,"}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:56", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "02:06:54", "end": "02:06:57", "text": ">> All the time. Yes, sir. Mhm."}, {"start": "02:06:56", "end": "02:06:58", "text": ">> That's how they that's how they keep you"}, {"start": "02:06:57", "end": "02:06:58", "text": "in check."}, {"start": "02:06:58", "end": "02:07:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:06:58", "end": "02:07:02", "text": ">> Your mess with your pension, mess with"}, {"start": "02:07:00", "end": "02:07:04", "text": "your rank, mess with your clearances,"}, {"start": "02:07:02", "end": "02:07:05", "text": ">> everything. Everything. they you know"}, {"start": "02:07:04", "end": "02:07:12", "text": "they"}, {"start": "02:07:05", "end": "02:07:12", "text": "um but anyway uh about 15 18 days later"}, {"start": "02:07:13", "end": "02:07:18", "text": "I was at home in my apartment"}, {"start": "02:07:16", "end": "02:07:20", "text": "still wondering the whole time Chris"}, {"start": "02:07:18", "end": "02:07:22", "text": "where where is Michael Johnson? I wanted"}, {"start": "02:07:20", "end": "02:07:24", "text": "to speak to that man so badly I couldn't"}, {"start": "02:07:22", "end": "02:07:27", "text": "tell you. And all of a sudden, I got"}, {"start": "02:07:24", "end": "02:07:30", "text": "this feeling"}, {"start": "02:07:27", "end": "02:07:32", "text": "and a knock came upon my door and my I"}, {"start": "02:07:30", "end": "02:07:35", "text": "lived we lived at Hannesway Apartments"}, {"start": "02:07:32", "end": "02:07:37", "text": "in Rapid City and he had talked to some"}, {"start": "02:07:35", "end": "02:07:40", "text": "guys back in the barracks about where I"}, {"start": "02:07:37", "end": "02:07:42", "text": "lived and sure enough he came to my"}, {"start": "02:07:40", "end": "02:07:45", "text": "apartment to talk to me about it. And"}, {"start": "02:07:42", "end": "02:07:47", "text": "before he arrived that knock when it"}, {"start": "02:07:45", "end": "02:07:49", "text": "came on the door, I knew it was him."}, {"start": "02:07:47", "end": "02:07:51", "text": "Don't have a clue how I've never been to"}, {"start": "02:07:49", "end": "02:07:52", "text": "my apartment before. I'd never met him"}, {"start": "02:07:51", "end": "02:07:55", "text": "personally like that in civilian"}, {"start": "02:07:52", "end": "02:07:57", "text": "clothes. So I open the door and I said,"}, {"start": "02:07:55", "end": "02:08:00", "text": "\"Michael,\" I said, \"Man, how are you?\""}, {"start": "02:07:57", "end": "02:08:03", "text": "He said, 'I'm okay. And with a direct"}, {"start": "02:08:00", "end": "02:08:05", "text": "look in my eyes, he said, \"We got to"}, {"start": "02:08:03", "end": "02:08:07", "text": "talk about this thing.\""}, {"start": "02:08:05", "end": "02:08:11", "text": "And I said, \"Yes, we do.\" I said, \"Come"}, {"start": "02:08:07", "end": "02:08:14", "text": "on in.\" So he came in just a simple one"}, {"start": "02:08:11", "end": "02:08:18", "text": "bedroom apartment. And uh"}, {"start": "02:08:14", "end": "02:08:20", "text": "my wife was there and I said I said,"}, {"start": "02:08:18", "end": "02:08:21", "text": "\"Well, she's going to find I said she"}, {"start": "02:08:20", "end": "02:08:23", "text": "suspects some things about what's I've"}, {"start": "02:08:21", "end": "02:08:24", "text": "been having to go back to the base.\" And"}, {"start": "02:08:23", "end": "02:08:27", "text": "there was several times I had to go back"}, {"start": "02:08:24", "end": "02:08:29", "text": "and answer more questions, you know, but"}, {"start": "02:08:27", "end": "02:08:31", "text": "I tried to block those out and it was"}, {"start": "02:08:29", "end": "02:08:32", "text": "the same thing. They just kept trying to"}, {"start": "02:08:31", "end": "02:08:34", "text": "see if there was something I wasn't"}, {"start": "02:08:32", "end": "02:08:37", "text": "telling them, which there was and I"}, {"start": "02:08:34", "end": "02:08:39", "text": "wasn't about to tell them anyway."}, {"start": "02:08:37", "end": "02:08:41", "text": "And uh so he comes in and I said, \"Let's"}, {"start": "02:08:39", "end": "02:08:44", "text": "draw what we saw.\" I said, I I gave him"}, {"start": "02:08:41", "end": "02:08:46", "text": "a, you know, a yellow notepad and I had"}, {"start": "02:08:44", "end": "02:08:48", "text": "one, too. And I said, \"I'm going to sit"}, {"start": "02:08:46", "end": "02:08:50", "text": "here. You sit there.\" And I think I put"}, {"start": "02:08:48", "end": "02:08:52", "text": "him at the dining room table and I sat"}, {"start": "02:08:50", "end": "02:08:55", "text": "at the coffee at the coffee table and at"}, {"start": "02:08:52", "end": "02:08:58", "text": "my couch and I drew the craft and all"}, {"start": "02:08:55", "end": "02:09:01", "text": "that and all that. And he drew the same"}, {"start": "02:08:58", "end": "02:09:03", "text": "thing. He he remembered the bright"}, {"start": "02:09:01", "end": "02:09:05", "text": "lights. He remembered many things that I"}, {"start": "02:09:03", "end": "02:09:06", "text": "didn't even think he was aware of. And I"}, {"start": "02:09:05", "end": "02:09:08", "text": "told him, you know, the state that he"}, {"start": "02:09:06", "end": "02:09:10", "text": "was in holding on to that steering"}, {"start": "02:09:08", "end": "02:09:12", "text": "wheel. And I remember him saying"}, {"start": "02:09:10", "end": "02:09:15", "text": "something like, \"No, I wasn't.\" I said,"}, {"start": "02:09:12", "end": "02:09:16", "text": "\"Yes, you were.\" I said, \"Dar, and I had"}, {"start": "02:09:15", "end": "02:09:21", "text": "to pull your hands off of that steering"}, {"start": "02:09:16", "end": "02:09:23", "text": "wheel.\" \"You did?\" I said, \"Yeah.\""}, {"start": "02:09:21", "end": "02:09:26", "text": ">> What was his memory of it?"}, {"start": "02:09:23", "end": "02:09:29", "text": ">> Well, he said that he heard, saw, and"}, {"start": "02:09:26", "end": "02:09:32", "text": "smelled everything that I did. And then"}, {"start": "02:09:29", "end": "02:09:33", "text": "he heard, \"Do not fear. Do not fear.\""}, {"start": "02:09:32", "end": "02:09:34", "text": ">> Did he see the beings?"}, {"start": "02:09:33", "end": "02:09:35", "text": ">> No, he didn't."}, {"start": "02:09:34", "end": "02:09:36", "text": ">> Cuz he didn't turn his head."}, {"start": "02:09:35", "end": "02:09:38", "text": ">> Yeah. He didn't say that."}, {"start": "02:09:36", "end": "02:09:40", "text": ">> But he felt the do not fear."}, {"start": "02:09:38", "end": "02:09:41", "text": ">> Yeah. Who Who said this first? Was it"}, {"start": "02:09:40", "end": "02:09:44", "text": "you or him?"}, {"start": "02:09:41", "end": "02:09:45", "text": ">> Him. He told you before you told him."}, {"start": "02:09:44", "end": "02:09:47", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:09:45", "end": "02:09:49", "text": ">> So he's opening up to you and he's he's"}, {"start": "02:09:47", "end": "02:09:50", "text": "giving you the exact same things. Yes."}, {"start": "02:09:49", "end": "02:09:51", "text": "That you experienced and he said and I"}, {"start": "02:09:50", "end": "02:09:54", "text": "felt do not fear."}, {"start": "02:09:51", "end": "02:09:55", "text": ">> And yes, do not fear. Do not fear."}, {"start": "02:09:54", "end": "02:09:57", "text": ">> What was your reaction to that, Mario?"}, {"start": "02:09:55", "end": "02:09:59", "text": ">> I stood there with my mouth open. I"}, {"start": "02:09:57", "end": "02:10:01", "text": "said, \"You're kidding me.\" I said, \"Man,"}, {"start": "02:09:59", "end": "02:10:03", "text": "I was freaking out.\" I said, \"You were"}, {"start": "02:10:01", "end": "02:10:05", "text": "just frozen to the steering wheel.\" He"}, {"start": "02:10:03", "end": "02:10:06", "text": "goes, \"I heard.\" He goes, \"I heard and"}, {"start": "02:10:05", "end": "02:10:08", "text": "saw.\" He goes, \"I saw everything.\" I"}, {"start": "02:10:06", "end": "02:10:10", "text": "said, \"Did you see what was on the right"}, {"start": "02:10:08", "end": "02:10:11", "text": "side?\" No, he never saw that."}, {"start": "02:10:10", "end": "02:10:12", "text": ">> You told him?"}, {"start": "02:10:11", "end": "02:10:14", "text": ">> Yes, I told him. What was his reaction"}, {"start": "02:10:12", "end": "02:10:15", "text": "to that?"}, {"start": "02:10:14", "end": "02:10:17", "text": ">> He didn't really have one. He just"}, {"start": "02:10:15", "end": "02:10:20", "text": "suspected it, but he didn't. I guess it"}, {"start": "02:10:17", "end": "02:10:21", "text": "was the angle or something. You know, my"}, {"start": "02:10:20", "end": "02:10:24", "text": "right side and his left side. I don't"}, {"start": "02:10:21", "end": "02:10:26", "text": "know. But he said one thing that floored"}, {"start": "02:10:24", "end": "02:10:28", "text": "me, man."}, {"start": "02:10:26", "end": "02:10:32", "text": "To the pits of my stomach. He said, \"But"}, {"start": "02:10:28", "end": "02:10:34", "text": "I remember your glove on a shiny floor.\""}, {"start": "02:10:32", "end": "02:10:37", "text": "And I said, \"What? What are you talking"}, {"start": "02:10:34", "end": "02:10:39", "text": "about? A glove on the shiny floor?\""}, {"start": "02:10:37", "end": "02:10:42", "text": "I had a really specialized pair of"}, {"start": "02:10:39", "end": "02:10:44", "text": "gloves that a B-52 bomber pilot gave me"}, {"start": "02:10:42", "end": "02:10:46", "text": "my first couple of nights when I was at"}, {"start": "02:10:44", "end": "02:10:48", "text": "Ellsworth when I first was assigned"}, {"start": "02:10:46", "end": "02:10:51", "text": "there and I was staying in the BAQ which"}, {"start": "02:10:48", "end": "02:10:52", "text": "is like the onbase hotel and the rooms"}, {"start": "02:10:51", "end": "02:10:55", "text": "there are not single rooms they're like"}, {"start": "02:10:52", "end": "02:10:57", "text": "shared with bunk beds there might be 10"}, {"start": "02:10:55", "end": "02:10:59", "text": "or 15 people in there one night all come"}, {"start": "02:10:57", "end": "02:11:01", "text": "to the base or there may be one person"}, {"start": "02:10:59", "end": "02:11:04", "text": "in there or you know that kind of thing"}, {"start": "02:11:01", "end": "02:11:06", "text": "whoever's arriving usually stays there"}, {"start": "02:11:04", "end": "02:11:08", "text": "until there's an assignment you know or"}, {"start": "02:11:06", "end": "02:11:09", "text": "until their rooms are assigned to them"}, {"start": "02:11:08", "end": "02:11:11", "text": "and they meet their commanders and"}, {"start": "02:11:09", "end": "02:11:13", "text": "people in their depart in their"}, {"start": "02:11:11", "end": "02:11:15", "text": "divisions the next mo the next day"}, {"start": "02:11:13", "end": "02:11:17", "text": "literally"}, {"start": "02:11:15", "end": "02:11:19", "text": "and uh so he gave me a pair of these"}, {"start": "02:11:17", "end": "02:11:21", "text": "aviators gloves Chris that came up to"}, {"start": "02:11:19", "end": "02:11:22", "text": "about right here now on and fit on the"}, {"start": "02:11:21", "end": "02:11:25", "text": "outside of your parka but they were like"}, {"start": "02:11:22", "end": "02:11:26", "text": "a mitten they covered three fingers then"}, {"start": "02:11:25", "end": "02:11:28", "text": "you had your index finger for trigger"}, {"start": "02:11:26", "end": "02:11:32", "text": "control for your whatever your trigger"}, {"start": "02:11:28", "end": "02:11:33", "text": "was in an aircraft or on a weapon and"}, {"start": "02:11:32", "end": "02:11:36", "text": "they had a fur backing and they were"}, {"start": "02:11:33", "end": "02:11:37", "text": "like a yellow gold color glove"}, {"start": "02:11:36", "end": "02:11:39", "text": ">> my dad had the same You can't even find"}, {"start": "02:11:37", "end": "02:11:40", "text": "them today. I hunted everywhere for"}, {"start": "02:11:39", "end": "02:11:40", "text": "them."}, {"start": "02:11:40", "end": "02:11:42", "text": ">> And uh"}, {"start": "02:11:40", "end": "02:11:44", "text": ">> yeah, I remember as a kid we'd wear them"}, {"start": "02:11:42", "end": "02:11:46", "text": "and we'd just wipe the snot off our face"}, {"start": "02:11:44", "end": "02:11:47", "text": "with the uh you know with the furry side"}, {"start": "02:11:46", "end": "02:11:48", "text": "of it in the cold."}, {"start": "02:11:47", "end": "02:11:50", "text": ">> Well, that's what it's for, too. It's"}, {"start": "02:11:48", "end": "02:11:53", "text": "it's for that. You just wash it off once"}, {"start": "02:11:50", "end": "02:11:55", "text": "in a while. Or maybe not."}, {"start": "02:11:53", "end": "02:11:57", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "02:11:55", "end": "02:12:00", "text": "I remember your glove on a shiny floor."}, {"start": "02:11:57", "end": "02:12:02", "text": "I had no recollection of a shiny floor."}, {"start": "02:12:00", "end": "02:12:03", "text": "I said, \"What are you even talking"}, {"start": "02:12:02", "end": "02:12:05", "text": "about, dude? Michael, what are you"}, {"start": "02:12:03", "end": "02:12:08", "text": "talking about?\""}, {"start": "02:12:05", "end": "02:12:11", "text": "And he goes, \"I'm telling you, Mario,"}, {"start": "02:12:08", "end": "02:12:15", "text": "your glove was laying he he said it was"}, {"start": "02:12:11", "end": "02:12:20", "text": "laying face up this way. Your right-hand"}, {"start": "02:12:15", "end": "02:12:23", "text": "glove was was laying on a shiny floor.\""}, {"start": "02:12:20", "end": "02:12:24", "text": "And I said, \"Well,\" I said, \"The only"}, {"start": "02:12:23", "end": "02:12:27", "text": "thing I knew to do, I ran to my bedroom"}, {"start": "02:12:24", "end": "02:12:30", "text": "where I kept my Diddy bag in the closet"}, {"start": "02:12:27", "end": "02:12:33", "text": "cuz my wife didn't want to see it."}, {"start": "02:12:30", "end": "02:12:34", "text": "It had to be put away.\" So, I grabbed my"}, {"start": "02:12:33", "end": "02:12:35", "text": "diddy bag and I came back out in the"}, {"start": "02:12:34", "end": "02:12:37", "text": "living room. the whole time. And this"}, {"start": "02:12:35", "end": "02:12:38", "text": "woman's just sitting over. She's sitting"}, {"start": "02:12:37", "end": "02:12:40", "text": "in one of the upright chairs just"}, {"start": "02:12:38", "end": "02:12:42", "text": "watching this and listening to all this"}, {"start": "02:12:40", "end": "02:12:44", "text": "going on."}, {"start": "02:12:42", "end": "02:12:46", "text": "I don't know in disbelief or what it"}, {"start": "02:12:44", "end": "02:12:48", "text": "was, but"}, {"start": "02:12:46", "end": "02:12:49", "text": "I unzipped that bag, man. And there's,"}, {"start": "02:12:48", "end": "02:12:50", "text": "you know, there's underwear, there's"}, {"start": "02:12:49", "end": "02:12:52", "text": "toiletries, there's all kind of stuff,"}, {"start": "02:12:50", "end": "02:12:54", "text": "extra uniforms, there's a radio in there"}, {"start": "02:12:52", "end": "02:12:55", "text": "that you couldn't have cameras,"}, {"start": "02:12:54", "end": "02:12:58", "text": "unfortunately. That's one thing they"}, {"start": "02:12:55", "end": "02:12:59", "text": "wouldn't allow us to do. And uh or take"}, {"start": "02:12:58", "end": "02:13:01", "text": "pictures of anything on the cider or"}, {"start": "02:12:59", "end": "02:13:05", "text": "something like that. But so I just"}, {"start": "02:13:01", "end": "02:13:07", "text": "dumped my bag out on the couch."}, {"start": "02:13:05", "end": "02:13:10", "text": "Everything was there except my right"}, {"start": "02:13:07", "end": "02:13:12", "text": "hand glove. Left-hand glove was there."}, {"start": "02:13:10", "end": "02:13:15", "text": "No right hand glove. Never recovered"}, {"start": "02:13:12", "end": "02:13:18", "text": "that. So I guess they kept it or whoever"}, {"start": "02:13:15", "end": "02:13:20", "text": "whatever kept it. But I couldn't believe"}, {"start": "02:13:18", "end": "02:13:22", "text": "he brought that up and he said that to"}, {"start": "02:13:20", "end": "02:13:26", "text": "me. I saw your glove on a shiny floor."}, {"start": "02:13:22", "end": "02:13:29", "text": "That's proof. Yeah. He um he lived in"}, {"start": "02:13:26", "end": "02:13:30", "text": "the barracks like I say and uh he gave"}, {"start": "02:13:29", "end": "02:13:33", "text": "me his address that day, his parents"}, {"start": "02:13:30", "end": "02:13:35", "text": "address in Chicago, Illinois and we"}, {"start": "02:13:33", "end": "02:13:37", "text": "talked you know talked radio he said he"}, {"start": "02:13:35", "end": "02:13:38", "text": "you know he loved to fish and we talked"}, {"start": "02:13:37", "end": "02:13:39", "text": "about some things like that things we"}, {"start": "02:13:38", "end": "02:13:41", "text": "didn't get to talk about working"}, {"start": "02:13:39", "end": "02:13:44", "text": "together we didn't get to discuss any of"}, {"start": "02:13:41", "end": "02:13:46", "text": "that stuff and usually we all as guys we"}, {"start": "02:13:44", "end": "02:13:49", "text": "always do you know and like motorcycles"}, {"start": "02:13:46", "end": "02:13:50", "text": "or you know you ride a bicycle or you"}, {"start": "02:13:49", "end": "02:13:52", "text": "skateboard you play you know whatever"}, {"start": "02:13:50", "end": "02:13:54", "text": "you might do weightlift whatever we"}, {"start": "02:13:52", "end": "02:13:56", "text": "didn't get to talk about any of that,"}, {"start": "02:13:54", "end": "02:13:59", "text": "but we got to talk about a little bit of"}, {"start": "02:13:56", "end": "02:14:02", "text": "it that day. So, I wrote it down on a on"}, {"start": "02:13:59", "end": "02:14:05", "text": "a a nice index card, something, and I"}, {"start": "02:14:02", "end": "02:14:07", "text": "put it in my Bible that the pastor gave"}, {"start": "02:14:05", "end": "02:14:08", "text": "me when my father passed away, and I"}, {"start": "02:14:07", "end": "02:14:13", "text": "kept it up on a dresser, and I had it"}, {"start": "02:14:08", "end": "02:14:15", "text": "for years, for years, and he wrote it."}, {"start": "02:14:13", "end": "02:14:17", "text": "He wrote it."}, {"start": "02:14:15", "end": "02:14:19", "text": "I might have recopied it or something,"}, {"start": "02:14:17", "end": "02:14:21", "text": "but he I had all the I had his"}, {"start": "02:14:19", "end": "02:14:22", "text": "information."}, {"start": "02:14:21", "end": "02:14:23", "text": "I wish I'd had his social security"}, {"start": "02:14:22", "end": "02:14:25", "text": "number. And and you know, back in that"}, {"start": "02:14:23", "end": "02:14:27", "text": "time, a guy would probably give you your"}, {"start": "02:14:25", "end": "02:14:28", "text": "social security number and not think two"}, {"start": "02:14:27", "end": "02:14:30", "text": "things about it. You know, you can't do"}, {"start": "02:14:28", "end": "02:14:31", "text": "that today, of course, but back then it"}, {"start": "02:14:30", "end": "02:14:32", "text": "could have done that. I wish I'd have"}, {"start": "02:14:31", "end": "02:14:35", "text": "had something else I could have latched"}, {"start": "02:14:32", "end": "02:14:37", "text": "on to him later in years because that"}, {"start": "02:14:35", "end": "02:14:39", "text": "those thoughts have always been in my"}, {"start": "02:14:37", "end": "02:14:41", "text": "mind. What else could I have done to,"}, {"start": "02:14:39", "end": "02:14:44", "text": "you know, to wrangle him to get him back"}, {"start": "02:14:41", "end": "02:14:46", "text": "in? If he's still alive, wherever he may"}, {"start": "02:14:44", "end": "02:14:47", "text": "be, he's the other half of this whole"}, {"start": "02:14:46", "end": "02:14:49", "text": "thing, you know, wherever he is."}, {"start": "02:14:47", "end": "02:14:51", "text": "regardless of who's entwined in this"}, {"start": "02:14:49", "end": "02:14:55", "text": "history, he's the other half of this"}, {"start": "02:14:51", "end": "02:14:57", "text": "that I've just got to find. Uh I got a"}, {"start": "02:14:55", "end": "02:15:01", "text": "friend Steve Zwimkkey and he's in Rapid"}, {"start": "02:14:57", "end": "02:15:07", "text": "City and uh he's the fellow that led me"}, {"start": "02:15:01", "end": "02:15:10", "text": "to the state trooper uh that took the"}, {"start": "02:15:07", "end": "02:15:12", "text": "call from wing security control to come"}, {"start": "02:15:10", "end": "02:15:14", "text": "and look for us. And that's perhaps"}, {"start": "02:15:12", "end": "02:15:16", "text": "something else I should address because"}, {"start": "02:15:14", "end": "02:15:19", "text": "I didn't even find that out until uh"}, {"start": "02:15:16", "end": "02:15:23", "text": "that Discovery Plus in 2021."}, {"start": "02:15:19", "end": "02:15:25", "text": ">> How long after the initial incident when"}, {"start": "02:15:23", "end": "02:15:27", "text": "you blacked out was that call made?"}, {"start": "02:15:25", "end": "02:15:28", "text": ">> Well, it was made approximately 2:00 in"}, {"start": "02:15:27", "end": "02:15:30", "text": "the morning."}, {"start": "02:15:28", "end": "02:15:31", "text": ">> So, not too long after. So, you were"}, {"start": "02:15:30", "end": "02:15:33", "text": "missing at that point."}, {"start": "02:15:31", "end": "02:15:35", "text": ">> Yeah, we were missing. And not only"}, {"start": "02:15:33", "end": "02:15:39", "text": "that, but Wing Security Control had"}, {"start": "02:15:35", "end": "02:15:41", "text": "contacted um the uh local law"}, {"start": "02:15:39", "end": "02:15:43", "text": "enforcement in Sturgis. They had a"}, {"start": "02:15:41", "end": "02:15:46", "text": "larger police force and they sent two"}, {"start": "02:15:43", "end": "02:15:48", "text": "deputies 30 mi north to where we were"}, {"start": "02:15:46", "end": "02:15:50", "text": "located looking for us. So, we had a"}, {"start": "02:15:48", "end": "02:15:51", "text": "state trooper and two deputies in two"}, {"start": "02:15:50", "end": "02:15:52", "text": "different cars looking for us."}, {"start": "02:15:51", "end": "02:15:54", "text": ">> And if you're out there, you'll see"}, {"start": "02:15:52", "end": "02:15:56", "text": "somebody if they're driving the car,"}, {"start": "02:15:54", "end": "02:15:59", "text": "you'll eventually see headlights."}, {"start": "02:15:56", "end": "02:16:00", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. You absolutely. There's"}, {"start": "02:15:59", "end": "02:16:01", "text": "There's no way around it."}, {"start": "02:16:00", "end": "02:16:04", "text": ">> You were You were just not there."}, {"start": "02:16:01", "end": "02:16:06", "text": ">> Mm-m. And we were so far off the off the"}, {"start": "02:16:04", "end": "02:16:08", "text": "road but"}, {"start": "02:16:06", "end": "02:16:10", "text": "behind New Lake Reservoir Dam to start"}, {"start": "02:16:08", "end": "02:16:12", "text": "with. I mean that we just had to be"}, {"start": "02:16:10", "end": "02:16:15", "text": "located and the only way to locate us"}, {"start": "02:16:12", "end": "02:16:16", "text": "was that radio signaling triangulation."}, {"start": "02:16:15", "end": "02:16:21", "text": ">> Who knows where you were before that?"}, {"start": "02:16:16", "end": "02:16:22", "text": ">> Don't know. Uh, but"}, {"start": "02:16:21", "end": "02:16:27", "text": "what I was getting at, I didn't find"}, {"start": "02:16:22", "end": "02:16:30", "text": "that out until 21 that these officers"}, {"start": "02:16:27", "end": "02:16:32", "text": "by the son of of this of the state"}, {"start": "02:16:30", "end": "02:16:36", "text": "trooper,"}, {"start": "02:16:32", "end": "02:16:38", "text": "his son came to November 5 or 100 yards"}, {"start": "02:16:36", "end": "02:16:40", "text": "down from November 5 because the"}, {"start": "02:16:38", "end": "02:16:42", "text": "producer didn't want to stand where our"}, {"start": "02:16:40", "end": "02:16:46", "text": "vehicle was located because there's a"}, {"start": "02:16:42", "end": "02:16:49", "text": "cattle uh some type of a red and white"}, {"start": "02:16:46", "end": "02:16:54", "text": "um cattle production or storage facility"}, {"start": "02:16:49", "end": "02:16:56", "text": "on the on the site now at November 5."}, {"start": "02:16:54", "end": "02:16:57", "text": "Uh they do that because there's a rock"}, {"start": "02:16:56", "end": "02:16:59", "text": "bed there and they keep their hay and"}, {"start": "02:16:57", "end": "02:17:01", "text": "stuff up off the ground, you know, out"}, {"start": "02:16:59", "end": "02:17:03", "text": "of the when they're feeding their"}, {"start": "02:17:01", "end": "02:17:08", "text": "feeding their cattle and stuff cuz it's"}, {"start": "02:17:03", "end": "02:17:08", "text": "all ranching area. But uh"}, {"start": "02:17:08", "end": "02:17:13", "text": "so in essence we had uh"}, {"start": "02:17:14", "end": "02:17:19", "text": "about 11 people looking for us and I"}, {"start": "02:17:17", "end": "02:17:21", "text": "never knew that. I was never told that a"}, {"start": "02:17:19", "end": "02:17:23", "text": "state trooper and two deputies were"}, {"start": "02:17:21", "end": "02:17:25", "text": "looking for us as well."}, {"start": "02:17:23", "end": "02:17:27", "text": ">> You found out in what what year? I think"}, {"start": "02:17:25", "end": "02:17:29", "text": "it was 2021 when we went out there with"}, {"start": "02:17:27", "end": "02:17:32", "text": "Discovery Plus and it was total by total"}, {"start": "02:17:29", "end": "02:17:34", "text": "by total accident that they these these"}, {"start": "02:17:32", "end": "02:17:36", "text": "two guys even showed up watching this"}, {"start": "02:17:34", "end": "02:17:38", "text": "film on the side of the road like"}, {"start": "02:17:36", "end": "02:17:40", "text": ">> and they knew your story."}, {"start": "02:17:38", "end": "02:17:41", "text": ">> Yeah. They had seen it somewhere before"}, {"start": "02:17:40", "end": "02:17:43", "text": "or something. I'm really not sure. Or"}, {"start": "02:17:41", "end": "02:17:46", "text": "one of them had. And he told the other."}, {"start": "02:17:43", "end": "02:17:49", "text": "But it was a crazy thing on Orman Road."}, {"start": "02:17:46", "end": "02:17:53", "text": "Uh dirt road. And you can go all the way"}, {"start": "02:17:49", "end": "02:17:56", "text": "to Wyoming on that road I believe."}, {"start": "02:17:53", "end": "02:17:58", "text": "Um there was a parade of people because"}, {"start": "02:17:56", "end": "02:18:01", "text": "you know New is such a small town. The"}, {"start": "02:17:58", "end": "02:18:04", "text": "population today is 650. It was 2:30 at"}, {"start": "02:18:01", "end": "02:18:06", "text": "the time. And uh when they found out"}, {"start": "02:18:04", "end": "02:18:08", "text": "that it was a film crew out there"}, {"start": "02:18:06", "end": "02:18:12", "text": "filming on Orman Road. So we get this"}, {"start": "02:18:08", "end": "02:18:14", "text": "big parade of people coming by and there"}, {"start": "02:18:12", "end": "02:18:17", "text": "was one guy that drove by in a pickup"}, {"start": "02:18:14", "end": "02:18:19", "text": "truck and he had 2x4s in the in an old"}, {"start": "02:18:17", "end": "02:18:20", "text": "pickup truck in the in the little slots,"}, {"start": "02:18:19", "end": "02:18:22", "text": "you know, that's on the bed of the"}, {"start": "02:18:20", "end": "02:18:24", "text": "pickup truck around it. and he had"}, {"start": "02:18:22", "end": "02:18:25", "text": "chicken wire around it and he had a"}, {"start": "02:18:24", "end": "02:18:27", "text": "horse standing up in the middle in the"}, {"start": "02:18:25", "end": "02:18:29", "text": "back of that pickup truck and we all"}, {"start": "02:18:27", "end": "02:18:31", "text": "just looked at that and went, \"Wow.\" You"}, {"start": "02:18:29", "end": "02:18:34", "text": "know, it's"}, {"start": "02:18:31", "end": "02:18:36", "text": "such a place, man. It's is such a place"}, {"start": "02:18:34", "end": "02:18:37", "text": "there. You think there's other people in"}, {"start": "02:18:36", "end": "02:18:39", "text": "Newell"}, {"start": "02:18:37", "end": "02:18:42", "text": "that saw the craft?"}, {"start": "02:18:39", "end": "02:18:43", "text": ">> I hope there is. And and what we thought"}, {"start": "02:18:42", "end": "02:18:45", "text": "that um"}, {"start": "02:18:43", "end": "02:18:48", "text": ">> there's a there's a case in Newell"}, {"start": "02:18:45", "end": "02:18:50", "text": "though in like the 60s as well, right?"}, {"start": "02:18:48", "end": "02:18:52", "text": ">> Um not sure. I think I read I think I"}, {"start": "02:18:50", "end": "02:18:55", "text": "read about a flying saucer sighting,"}, {"start": "02:18:52", "end": "02:18:55", "text": "multiple flying saucers in the 60s in"}, {"start": "02:18:55", "end": "02:18:59", "text": "New"}, {"start": "02:18:55", "end": "02:19:01", "text": ">> and in I will tell you in uh"}, {"start": "02:18:59", "end": "02:19:02", "text": "uh Sturgis there is and Deadwood."}, {"start": "02:19:01", "end": "02:19:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:19:02", "end": "02:19:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Big cylinder type Okay."}, {"start": "02:19:04", "end": "02:19:07", "text": ">> craft and in both of those areas"}, {"start": "02:19:06", "end": "02:19:07", "text": ">> prior to your"}, {"start": "02:19:07", "end": "02:19:08", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:19:07", "end": "02:19:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:19:08", "end": "02:19:14", "text": ">> But going back to that um I was so"}, {"start": "02:19:12", "end": "02:19:18", "text": "amazed when I found out that these guys"}, {"start": "02:19:14", "end": "02:19:20", "text": "knew that that this took place. I just I"}, {"start": "02:19:18", "end": "02:19:23", "text": "just feel so jilted by the the way the"}, {"start": "02:19:20", "end": "02:19:26", "text": "Air Force ended up by what they did and"}, {"start": "02:19:23", "end": "02:19:29", "text": "um or how they did it. I don't think"}, {"start": "02:19:26", "end": "02:19:32", "text": "they knew any better. I I really don't."}, {"start": "02:19:29", "end": "02:19:34", "text": "And if they did, if they did, then a"}, {"start": "02:19:32", "end": "02:19:38", "text": "shame on them for for treating their own"}, {"start": "02:19:34", "end": "02:19:38", "text": "people like that, you know, because"}, {"start": "02:19:39", "end": "02:19:41", "text": ">> when you go in the military, regardless"}, {"start": "02:19:40", "end": "02:19:43", "text": "of what job you're in, you you know,"}, {"start": "02:19:41", "end": "02:19:45", "text": "you're there, there there's a chance"}, {"start": "02:19:43", "end": "02:19:46", "text": "that somewhere along the line that you"}, {"start": "02:19:45", "end": "02:19:48", "text": "could be involved in some kind of combat"}, {"start": "02:19:46", "end": "02:19:49", "text": "action and lose your life cuz you're"}, {"start": "02:19:48", "end": "02:19:52", "text": "fighting for this country and the people"}, {"start": "02:19:49", "end": "02:19:54", "text": "in it because you care about them. I do."}, {"start": "02:19:52", "end": "02:19:57", "text": "I still do. I took the oath and now it's"}, {"start": "02:19:54", "end": "02:19:59", "text": "never gone away from me. I'd um I'd go"}, {"start": "02:19:57", "end": "02:20:03", "text": "back today if they'd had me at 70 years"}, {"start": "02:19:59", "end": "02:20:06", "text": "old in a heartbeat. But just to find"}, {"start": "02:20:03", "end": "02:20:08", "text": "those things out, it it really floored"}, {"start": "02:20:06", "end": "02:20:10", "text": "me. And that that glove on that shiny"}, {"start": "02:20:08", "end": "02:20:11", "text": "floor, I've never forgotten that"}, {"start": "02:20:10", "end": "02:20:14", "text": "statement. I've never forgotten the the"}, {"start": "02:20:11", "end": "02:20:17", "text": "the ice bullet that he sent out when he"}, {"start": "02:20:14", "end": "02:20:21", "text": "said that to me. I was just I just it"}, {"start": "02:20:17", "end": "02:20:23", "text": "just took me a back and"}, {"start": "02:20:21", "end": "02:20:28", "text": "uh I just wish so so badly that we could"}, {"start": "02:20:23", "end": "02:20:31", "text": "find him. Well, if anyone if this rings"}, {"start": "02:20:28", "end": "02:20:34", "text": "a bell, if your family member is named"}, {"start": "02:20:31", "end": "02:20:36", "text": "Michael Johnson, if you've got a grandpa"}, {"start": "02:20:34", "end": "02:20:39", "text": "out there, a father, an uncle, a cousin"}, {"start": "02:20:36", "end": "02:20:41", "text": "that's in perhaps the Detroit area or at"}, {"start": "02:20:39", "end": "02:20:44", "text": "least has family in the Detroit area and"}, {"start": "02:20:41", "end": "02:20:48", "text": "served in the Air Force at Ellsworth in"}, {"start": "02:20:44", "end": "02:20:50", "text": "the 70s, late 70s, mid to late 70s. Um,"}, {"start": "02:20:48", "end": "02:20:53", "text": "reach out to us, figure it out. I got an"}, {"start": "02:20:50", "end": "02:20:55", "text": "email here. Um, I would love any"}, {"start": "02:20:53", "end": "02:20:57", "text": "information you have on this, even if"}, {"start": "02:20:55", "end": "02:20:59", "text": "it's the tiniest bit of information, but"}, {"start": "02:20:57", "end": "02:21:01", "text": "this is the internet and you know,"}, {"start": "02:20:59", "end": "02:21:04", "text": "luckily"}, {"start": "02:21:01", "end": "02:21:06", "text": "with you know, you on here and and"}, {"start": "02:21:04", "end": "02:21:06", "text": "people watching like there is a chance"}, {"start": "02:21:06", "end": "02:21:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:21:06", "end": "02:21:10", "text": ">> that you can get an answer to this"}, {"start": "02:21:07", "end": "02:21:12", "text": ">> always just anything anything I I just"}, {"start": "02:21:10", "end": "02:21:15", "text": "want to know about him whether he says I"}, {"start": "02:21:12", "end": "02:21:16", "text": "don't want to talk to you or or I don't"}, {"start": "02:21:15", "end": "02:21:19", "text": "want to come forward. It kind of reminds"}, {"start": "02:21:16", "end": "02:21:21", "text": "me of Terry Love Lace and Toby, his"}, {"start": "02:21:19", "end": "02:21:24", "text": "partner, you know, and Toby did not take"}, {"start": "02:21:21", "end": "02:21:26", "text": "it well at all from what Terry's told me"}, {"start": "02:21:24", "end": "02:21:28", "text": "and and ended up costing him his life,"}, {"start": "02:21:26", "end": "02:21:31", "text": "you know, whether it be from"}, {"start": "02:21:28", "end": "02:21:34", "text": ">> he he had a problem afterwards. And it's"}, {"start": "02:21:31", "end": "02:21:37", "text": "very hard to um to contend with and it's"}, {"start": "02:21:34", "end": "02:21:39", "text": "and it's very difficult for people that"}, {"start": "02:21:37", "end": "02:21:42", "text": "care about you"}, {"start": "02:21:39", "end": "02:21:43", "text": "to hear about it and to and to"}, {"start": "02:21:42", "end": "02:21:45", "text": "experience it because it affects you"}, {"start": "02:21:43", "end": "02:21:49", "text": "every day. I'm not the I'm not the same"}, {"start": "02:21:45", "end": "02:21:51", "text": "person at home that I am here telling"}, {"start": "02:21:49", "end": "02:21:54", "text": "telling you this. You know, I'm this"}, {"start": "02:21:51", "end": "02:21:56", "text": "thing affects me all the time. There's I"}, {"start": "02:21:54", "end": "02:21:59", "text": "watch stuff on the news. I I watch"}, {"start": "02:21:56", "end": "02:22:01", "text": "stuff, you know, on on uh TV or YouTube"}, {"start": "02:21:59", "end": "02:22:03", "text": "videos, you know, about people that I"}, {"start": "02:22:01", "end": "02:22:05", "text": "know that it that things like this have"}, {"start": "02:22:03", "end": "02:22:08", "text": "happened to. And it's all going"}, {"start": "02:22:05", "end": "02:22:11", "text": "somewhere. And I think"}, {"start": "02:22:08", "end": "02:22:13", "text": "I feel at this point of the game that"}, {"start": "02:22:11", "end": "02:22:17", "text": "archaeology and what's being discovered"}, {"start": "02:22:13", "end": "02:22:19", "text": "in in say for instance Egypt I think I"}, {"start": "02:22:17", "end": "02:22:21", "text": "think there's a lot to be said for and"}, {"start": "02:22:19", "end": "02:22:24", "text": "the in the correlation of all this"}, {"start": "02:22:21", "end": "02:22:26", "text": "coming together in some way and I don't"}, {"start": "02:22:24", "end": "02:22:29", "text": "know if we'll if our government or any"}, {"start": "02:22:26", "end": "02:22:31", "text": "government will ever"}, {"start": "02:22:29", "end": "02:22:33", "text": "say okay this is what we have throw it"}, {"start": "02:22:31", "end": "02:22:35", "text": "out on the table here's this piece"}, {"start": "02:22:33", "end": "02:22:37", "text": "here's that piece we glean this"}, {"start": "02:22:35", "end": "02:22:39", "text": "information and that engine came from"}, {"start": "02:22:37", "end": "02:22:41", "text": "this piece right here. That happened."}, {"start": "02:22:39", "end": "02:22:43", "text": "This happened. Here's an individual."}, {"start": "02:22:41", "end": "02:22:44", "text": "Here's different types of individuals. I"}, {"start": "02:22:43", "end": "02:22:46", "text": "just don't see them saying that. I think"}, {"start": "02:22:44", "end": "02:22:49", "text": "the only way that could ever happen is"}, {"start": "02:22:46", "end": "02:22:50", "text": "if they in turn, they themselves just"}, {"start": "02:22:49", "end": "02:22:52", "text": "make themselves known and just shut"}, {"start": "02:22:50", "end": "02:22:55", "text": "everybody else up. Just say, \"Here we"}, {"start": "02:22:52", "end": "02:22:56", "text": "are. What you going to do now?\" And and"}, {"start": "02:22:55", "end": "02:22:58", "text": "I don't think they're coming here to"}, {"start": "02:22:56", "end": "02:22:59", "text": "harm us. And I think they've been here a"}, {"start": "02:22:58", "end": "02:23:01", "text": "long time already and know everything"}, {"start": "02:22:59", "end": "02:23:02", "text": "about us."}, {"start": "02:23:01", "end": "02:23:03", "text": ">> Well, let's talk about them for a"}, {"start": "02:23:02", "end": "02:23:07", "text": "second. Mhm."}, {"start": "02:23:03", "end": "02:23:10", "text": ">> Um, you ended up getting regressed"}, {"start": "02:23:07", "end": "02:23:11", "text": "hypnotically by Bob Upton and Ivonne"}, {"start": "02:23:10", "end": "02:23:13", "text": "Smith, was it?"}, {"start": "02:23:11", "end": "02:23:15", "text": ">> Uh, yeah, that was uh with John Yeah."}, {"start": "02:23:13", "end": "02:23:18", "text": "John Butch's boat in Yeah."}, {"start": "02:23:15", "end": "02:23:20", "text": ">> at two separate two separate occasions."}, {"start": "02:23:18", "end": "02:23:21", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "02:23:20", "end": "02:23:23", "text": ">> you know what's interesting about this"}, {"start": "02:23:21", "end": "02:23:26", "text": "is a"}, {"start": "02:23:23", "end": "02:23:27", "text": "like many people and I've I've I've been"}, {"start": "02:23:26", "end": "02:23:29", "text": "able to actually hypnotize people"}, {"start": "02:23:27", "end": "02:23:31", "text": "through you like entertainment purposes"}, {"start": "02:23:29", "end": "02:23:32", "text": "as a magician. like I've dabbled there"}, {"start": "02:23:31", "end": "02:23:33", "text": "and I've studied it and I have friends"}, {"start": "02:23:32", "end": "02:23:36", "text": "who do it professionally for"}, {"start": "02:23:33", "end": "02:23:38", "text": "entertainment. It's very real. It's very"}, {"start": "02:23:36", "end": "02:23:40", "text": "and and for someone who I know the"}, {"start": "02:23:38", "end": "02:23:45", "text": "feeling because I've seen it happen to"}, {"start": "02:23:40", "end": "02:23:48", "text": "people so many times. The feeling of oh"}, {"start": "02:23:45", "end": "02:23:50", "text": "you you can't hypnotize me. I've seen"}, {"start": "02:23:48", "end": "02:23:52", "text": "firsthand and I've you know part par"}, {"start": "02:23:50", "end": "02:23:54", "text": "parttook in this firsthand."}, {"start": "02:23:52", "end": "02:23:57", "text": ">> Yes. um"}, {"start": "02:23:54", "end": "02:23:59", "text": "those people getting hypnotized. Uh and"}, {"start": "02:23:57", "end": "02:24:02", "text": "and and it is"}, {"start": "02:23:59", "end": "02:24:04", "text": ">> it is quite shocking to people,"}, {"start": "02:24:02", "end": "02:24:05", "text": "especially people who don't really"}, {"start": "02:24:04", "end": "02:24:05", "text": "believe in hypnosis,"}, {"start": "02:24:05", "end": "02:24:07", "text": ">> right,"}, {"start": "02:24:05", "end": "02:24:10", "text": ">> to watch someone you know and trust and"}, {"start": "02:24:07", "end": "02:24:12", "text": "love and understand be hypnotized."}, {"start": "02:24:10", "end": "02:24:13", "text": "Absolutely. You see that it changes you."}, {"start": "02:24:12", "end": "02:24:15", "text": "It changes you go, \"Oh, wait a second."}, {"start": "02:24:13", "end": "02:24:17", "text": "He just hit an off switch on him. That's"}, {"start": "02:24:15", "end": "02:24:20", "text": "so strange.\" So you and I say this"}, {"start": "02:24:17", "end": "02:24:22", "text": "because I I want to preface. You were"}, {"start": "02:24:20", "end": "02:24:23", "text": "that person. You were like, I don't not"}, {"start": "02:24:22", "end": "02:24:23", "text": "for me."}, {"start": "02:24:23", "end": "02:24:27", "text": ">> That's right."}, {"start": "02:24:23", "end": "02:24:29", "text": ">> Yeah. Could you tell us what happened?"}, {"start": "02:24:27", "end": "02:24:34", "text": ">> Yeah. Um,"}, {"start": "02:24:29", "end": "02:24:39", "text": "Robert Upton, uh, Bob Upton, he, um,"}, {"start": "02:24:34", "end": "02:24:41", "text": "he was trying to zoom into specific"}, {"start": "02:24:39", "end": "02:24:46", "text": "items or points of interest that Robert"}, {"start": "02:24:41", "end": "02:24:48", "text": "Hastings had put forth and uh,"}, {"start": "02:24:46", "end": "02:24:51", "text": "in hypnotizing me."}, {"start": "02:24:48", "end": "02:24:54", "text": "And the way he did it, it just seemed as"}, {"start": "02:24:51", "end": "02:24:56", "text": "if I was if as if I was going to sleep."}, {"start": "02:24:54", "end": "02:24:58", "text": "And I remember it cuz they were roofing"}, {"start": "02:24:56", "end": "02:24:59", "text": "my house. Excuse me. Just after a"}, {"start": "02:24:58", "end": "02:25:01", "text": "hurricane, they were re-roofing my"}, {"start": "02:24:59", "end": "02:25:02", "text": "house. I had damage."}, {"start": "02:25:01", "end": "02:25:05", "text": "This is at your home."}, {"start": "02:25:02", "end": "02:25:08", "text": ">> At my home. Yeah. In my in my back"}, {"start": "02:25:05", "end": "02:25:08", "text": "bedroom."}, {"start": "02:25:08", "end": "02:25:12", "text": "So, you could hear all these guys with"}, {"start": "02:25:10", "end": "02:25:14", "text": "nail guns and walking across the roof."}, {"start": "02:25:12", "end": "02:25:16", "text": "And even though my roof my roof was very"}, {"start": "02:25:14", "end": "02:25:17", "text": "high on my home, you could still hear"}, {"start": "02:25:16", "end": "02:25:18", "text": "it. And I thought, well, there's no way"}, {"start": "02:25:17", "end": "02:25:20", "text": "you're going to be able to hypnotize me"}, {"start": "02:25:18", "end": "02:25:22", "text": "with all this noise going on. And that"}, {"start": "02:25:20", "end": "02:25:23", "text": "that hadn't been planned. He had set it"}, {"start": "02:25:22", "end": "02:25:26", "text": "up for that particular day. I think he"}, {"start": "02:25:23", "end": "02:25:29", "text": "drew up drove up from Jacksonville."}, {"start": "02:25:26", "end": "02:25:31", "text": "I live in Brunswick. And um"}, {"start": "02:25:29", "end": "02:25:34", "text": "there may have been may have been"}, {"start": "02:25:31", "end": "02:25:38", "text": "further away than that. I can't remember"}, {"start": "02:25:34", "end": "02:25:43", "text": "uh yet or I just don't recall. But so"}, {"start": "02:25:38", "end": "02:25:47", "text": "anyway, but all this stuff going on,"}, {"start": "02:25:43", "end": "02:25:50", "text": "he somehow manages to get me to thinking"}, {"start": "02:25:47", "end": "02:25:53", "text": "I'm going down a stairwell or something."}, {"start": "02:25:50", "end": "02:25:55", "text": "He said into the water."}, {"start": "02:25:53", "end": "02:25:57", "text": "And I kept thinking about that noise"}, {"start": "02:25:55", "end": "02:25:58", "text": "correlation to going down a stairway and"}, {"start": "02:25:57", "end": "02:25:59", "text": "you know, like there's a couple of"}, {"start": "02:25:58", "end": "02:26:01", "text": "places I've been in my life like in"}, {"start": "02:25:59", "end": "02:26:04", "text": "springs and stuff where you walk down a"}, {"start": "02:26:01", "end": "02:26:07", "text": "stairwell into the stairway into the"}, {"start": "02:26:04", "end": "02:26:10", "text": "water. uh like blue sinks and some of"}, {"start": "02:26:07", "end": "02:26:12", "text": "those places."}, {"start": "02:26:10", "end": "02:26:16", "text": "And that's what I did. And and before I"}, {"start": "02:26:12", "end": "02:26:19", "text": "knew it, I was smelling that smell"}, {"start": "02:26:16", "end": "02:26:20", "text": "and visualizing, you know, certain"}, {"start": "02:26:19", "end": "02:26:23", "text": "things that he was asking me questions"}, {"start": "02:26:20", "end": "02:26:24", "text": "about. And he was guiding me, you know,"}, {"start": "02:26:23", "end": "02:26:30", "text": "in this. And there were things that I"}, {"start": "02:26:24", "end": "02:26:30", "text": "came up against, visions that I saw."}, {"start": "02:26:32", "end": "02:26:36", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "02:26:35", "end": "02:26:38", "text": "that really really upset me."}, {"start": "02:26:36", "end": "02:26:40", "text": ">> Are they coming to you now?"}, {"start": "02:26:38", "end": "02:26:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:26:40", "end": "02:26:43", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "02:26:44", "end": "02:26:49", "text": "I answered all of his questions. It was"}, {"start": "02:26:47", "end": "02:26:52", "text": "very difficult because I had like a lot"}, {"start": "02:26:49", "end": "02:26:52", "text": "closer reaction"}, {"start": "02:26:54", "end": "02:26:59", "text": "or proximity"}, {"start": "02:26:57", "end": "02:27:01", "text": "to what was on the right side of our"}, {"start": "02:26:59", "end": "02:27:03", "text": "vehicle to these to these beings on the"}, {"start": "02:27:01", "end": "02:27:06", "text": "right side of the vehicle. I mean, I"}, {"start": "02:27:03", "end": "02:27:06", "text": "literally"}, {"start": "02:27:07", "end": "02:27:14", "text": "there goes my heartbeat, but um"}, {"start": "02:27:10", "end": "02:27:14", "text": ">> Okay, so he was in control."}, {"start": "02:27:17", "end": "02:27:21", "text": ">> That little thing was on other side of"}, {"start": "02:27:19", "end": "02:27:24", "text": "the vehicle. That little craft was on"}, {"start": "02:27:21", "end": "02:27:25", "text": "the other side of the vehicle"}, {"start": "02:27:24", "end": "02:27:27", "text": ">> where Michael was."}, {"start": "02:27:25", "end": "02:27:29", "text": ">> And what was Michael doing?"}, {"start": "02:27:27", "end": "02:27:30", "text": ">> He was still like straight ahead. I"}, {"start": "02:27:29", "end": "02:27:31", "text": "don't even think he could blink his"}, {"start": "02:27:30", "end": "02:27:34", "text": "eyes."}, {"start": "02:27:31", "end": "02:27:36", "text": "Okay."}, {"start": "02:27:34", "end": "02:27:39", "text": ">> Was in a couple of within a couple of"}, {"start": "02:27:36", "end": "02:27:41", "text": "feet of of them. They were within a"}, {"start": "02:27:39", "end": "02:27:44", "text": "couple of feet of me and I was on my"}, {"start": "02:27:41", "end": "02:27:44", "text": "back"}, {"start": "02:27:44", "end": "02:27:48", "text": "and I had a whole lot of pain in this"}, {"start": "02:27:46", "end": "02:27:50", "text": "riff right here. My hand was turned"}, {"start": "02:27:48", "end": "02:27:53", "text": "outward like this. And I was being"}, {"start": "02:27:50", "end": "02:27:56", "text": "grappled in some way here"}, {"start": "02:27:53", "end": "02:27:59", "text": "from this direction."}, {"start": "02:27:56", "end": "02:28:01", "text": "And something something was putting"}, {"start": "02:27:59", "end": "02:28:04", "text": "pressure down in inside of my wrist"}, {"start": "02:28:01", "end": "02:28:04", "text": "here."}, {"start": "02:28:06", "end": "02:28:11", "text": "A tall one was doing that to my right"}, {"start": "02:28:09", "end": "02:28:13", "text": "wrist."}, {"start": "02:28:11", "end": "02:28:16", "text": "There. It's like in-n-out glimpses of a"}, {"start": "02:28:13", "end": "02:28:20", "text": "of a living nightmare."}, {"start": "02:28:16", "end": "02:28:23", "text": "And that smell, that smell just it just"}, {"start": "02:28:20", "end": "02:28:25", "text": "permeate just goes through you and you"}, {"start": "02:28:23", "end": "02:28:28", "text": "can't you can't uh you can't get rid of"}, {"start": "02:28:25", "end": "02:28:28", "text": "it."}, {"start": "02:28:30", "end": "02:28:36", "text": "I I knew that I knew there was something"}, {"start": "02:28:32", "end": "02:28:38", "text": "wrong with me because um it seems as if"}, {"start": "02:28:36", "end": "02:28:42", "text": "it seems as if you come up to a you come"}, {"start": "02:28:38", "end": "02:28:44", "text": "up to a a a veil of I want to call it a"}, {"start": "02:28:42", "end": "02:28:45", "text": "veil like there's something in front of"}, {"start": "02:28:44", "end": "02:28:49", "text": "you"}, {"start": "02:28:45", "end": "02:28:52", "text": "that stops you from looking past it"}, {"start": "02:28:49", "end": "02:28:52", "text": "that uh"}, {"start": "02:28:55", "end": "02:28:59", "text": "extremely excites"}, {"start": "02:28:58", "end": "02:29:02", "text": "I don't know. I don't want to call it"}, {"start": "02:28:59", "end": "02:29:04", "text": "fear,"}, {"start": "02:29:02", "end": "02:29:06", "text": "but it's something. It's something that"}, {"start": "02:29:04", "end": "02:29:08", "text": "you have to get past to see what's on"}, {"start": "02:29:06", "end": "02:29:13", "text": "the other side, though. And that's why I"}, {"start": "02:29:08", "end": "02:29:13", "text": "call it a veil. And when I did,"}, {"start": "02:29:13", "end": "02:29:18", "text": "I felt like I shook myself apart. I felt"}, {"start": "02:29:16", "end": "02:29:20", "text": "like I was just shaking shaking apart"}, {"start": "02:29:18", "end": "02:29:22", "text": "inside."}, {"start": "02:29:20", "end": "02:29:26", "text": "And somehow another, I managed to get"}, {"start": "02:29:22", "end": "02:29:28", "text": "myself into aphib. I'd never had that"}, {"start": "02:29:26", "end": "02:29:29", "text": "before. Never knew what it was. Never"}, {"start": "02:29:28", "end": "02:29:32", "text": "never had any kind of heart issues"}, {"start": "02:29:29", "end": "02:29:32", "text": "whatsoever."}, {"start": "02:29:34", "end": "02:29:39", "text": "And uh I remember he kept telling me"}, {"start": "02:29:37", "end": "02:29:40", "text": "that, you know, nothing could harm me,"}, {"start": "02:29:39", "end": "02:29:42", "text": "nothing could harm me. But believe me,"}, {"start": "02:29:40", "end": "02:29:45", "text": "where I was, everything was harming me"}, {"start": "02:29:42", "end": "02:29:48", "text": "or trying to. And then I didn't I"}, {"start": "02:29:45", "end": "02:29:51", "text": "couldn't I couldn't understand"}, {"start": "02:29:48", "end": "02:29:53", "text": "what I was really experiencing."}, {"start": "02:29:51", "end": "02:29:56", "text": "And"}, {"start": "02:29:53", "end": "02:29:58", "text": "I guess after about 45 minutes or so and"}, {"start": "02:29:56", "end": "02:30:00", "text": "I answered every question he said, I"}, {"start": "02:29:58", "end": "02:30:02", "text": "went through every question that he"}, {"start": "02:30:00", "end": "02:30:04", "text": "asked me. I went I answered everything"}, {"start": "02:30:02", "end": "02:30:06", "text": "as the best I could. But that veil"}, {"start": "02:30:04", "end": "02:30:09", "text": "persisted and when I broke that when I"}, {"start": "02:30:06", "end": "02:30:10", "text": "went through that veil as I feel as if I"}, {"start": "02:30:09", "end": "02:30:14", "text": "did"}, {"start": "02:30:10", "end": "02:30:16", "text": "and saw what I saw and still see it"}, {"start": "02:30:14", "end": "02:30:18", "text": "right now, even looking at you, I still"}, {"start": "02:30:16", "end": "02:30:24", "text": "see it just like it can just push over a"}, {"start": "02:30:18", "end": "02:30:24", "text": "vision and I just see. I just see"}, {"start": "02:30:25", "end": "02:30:28", "text": "I just thought my heart was going to"}, {"start": "02:30:26", "end": "02:30:31", "text": "come out of my chest. At no time could"}, {"start": "02:30:28", "end": "02:30:33", "text": "you hear any of the stuff going on on my"}, {"start": "02:30:31", "end": "02:30:35", "text": "roof or anything like that that was all"}, {"start": "02:30:33", "end": "02:30:36", "text": "the stuff all the noise that was taking"}, {"start": "02:30:35", "end": "02:30:38", "text": "place up there and all the work that was"}, {"start": "02:30:36", "end": "02:30:41", "text": "being done"}, {"start": "02:30:38", "end": "02:30:43", "text": "and he he got to a point where he felt"}, {"start": "02:30:41", "end": "02:30:45", "text": "as if he had to he had to get me out of"}, {"start": "02:30:43", "end": "02:30:48", "text": "it."}, {"start": "02:30:45", "end": "02:30:49", "text": "I'd answered everything he asked me. And"}, {"start": "02:30:48", "end": "02:30:51", "text": "when he brought when he brought me up, I"}, {"start": "02:30:49", "end": "02:30:54", "text": "knew there was something wrong. But I"}, {"start": "02:30:51", "end": "02:30:57", "text": "did tell him one thing"}, {"start": "02:30:54", "end": "02:31:00", "text": "that that I think surprised him. And I"}, {"start": "02:30:57", "end": "02:31:03", "text": "told him, I said, \"Those big the the"}, {"start": "02:31:00", "end": "02:31:05", "text": "those big dark eyes that these the"}, {"start": "02:31:03", "end": "02:31:08", "text": "little ones have,"}, {"start": "02:31:05", "end": "02:31:10", "text": "they're shields. They're not um they're"}, {"start": "02:31:08", "end": "02:31:14", "text": "not their eyes. It's a shield that's"}, {"start": "02:31:10", "end": "02:31:16", "text": "that uh shields them from bright light"}, {"start": "02:31:14", "end": "02:31:19", "text": "because their eyes I saw a round pupil"}, {"start": "02:31:16", "end": "02:31:20", "text": "about that big around is huge. What"}, {"start": "02:31:19", "end": "02:31:22", "text": "color?"}, {"start": "02:31:20", "end": "02:31:25", "text": ">> Blue,"}, {"start": "02:31:22", "end": "02:31:28", "text": "light blue."}, {"start": "02:31:25", "end": "02:31:31", "text": "A medium blue. Not light or dark blue,"}, {"start": "02:31:28", "end": "02:31:34", "text": "but just a medium blue. And I And I saw"}, {"start": "02:31:31", "end": "02:31:40", "text": "it plain as day. I mean, right there in"}, {"start": "02:31:34", "end": "02:31:40", "text": "my face. And that's the thing with um"}, {"start": "02:31:40", "end": "02:31:45", "text": "with hypnosis, how it what it can how it"}, {"start": "02:31:42", "end": "02:31:46", "text": "can do. Uh I guess how it can bring a"}, {"start": "02:31:45", "end": "02:31:49", "text": "vision to you like that."}, {"start": "02:31:46", "end": "02:31:51", "text": ">> Was that the tall one?"}, {"start": "02:31:49", "end": "02:31:52", "text": ">> No, that was a short one that had the"}, {"start": "02:31:51", "end": "02:31:54", "text": "eye thing. The the tall ones are"}, {"start": "02:31:52", "end": "02:31:56", "text": "completely different."}, {"start": "02:31:54", "end": "02:31:58", "text": ">> And the fear came comes from that tall"}, {"start": "02:31:56", "end": "02:32:00", "text": "guy."}, {"start": "02:31:58", "end": "02:32:02", "text": "Whether it's a guy or whatever, I don't"}, {"start": "02:32:00", "end": "02:32:04", "text": "know. But that's what the fear is. And"}, {"start": "02:32:02", "end": "02:32:06", "text": "still the little the little ones don't"}, {"start": "02:32:04", "end": "02:32:10", "text": "make you have that kind of fear. But"}, {"start": "02:32:06", "end": "02:32:12", "text": "that big one did and that tall one did."}, {"start": "02:32:10", "end": "02:32:15", "text": "That big one, you think that he's got"}, {"start": "02:32:12", "end": "02:32:17", "text": "ready to eat you or something and then a"}, {"start": "02:32:15", "end": "02:32:20", "text": "damn thing you can do about it. You"}, {"start": "02:32:17", "end": "02:32:23", "text": "don't have any control of yourself. You"}, {"start": "02:32:20", "end": "02:32:26", "text": "have no functionality of your own body."}, {"start": "02:32:23", "end": "02:32:28", "text": "You can't defend yourself"}, {"start": "02:32:26", "end": "02:32:31", "text": ">> structurally."}, {"start": "02:32:28", "end": "02:32:33", "text": "And then the I think of I think there"}, {"start": "02:32:31", "end": "02:32:36", "text": "was a uh there was a male the one that"}, {"start": "02:32:33", "end": "02:32:38", "text": "was uh that I cussed at or whatever I"}, {"start": "02:32:36", "end": "02:32:40", "text": "said that I was um"}, {"start": "02:32:38", "end": "02:32:42", "text": ">> You cussed at it?"}, {"start": "02:32:40", "end": "02:32:43", "text": ">> Told me I told him he's hurt me, you"}, {"start": "02:32:42", "end": "02:32:45", "text": "know. And uh"}, {"start": "02:32:43", "end": "02:32:49", "text": ">> and you couldn't move."}, {"start": "02:32:45", "end": "02:32:56", "text": ">> Yeah. And the other thing was"}, {"start": "02:32:49", "end": "02:32:56", "text": "the uh this table that that I was on."}, {"start": "02:32:59", "end": "02:33:05", "text": "For instance,"}, {"start": "02:33:01", "end": "02:33:07", "text": "that's my head. This is the table that I"}, {"start": "02:33:05", "end": "02:33:09", "text": "felt."}, {"start": "02:33:07", "end": "02:33:12", "text": "And I got to draw this just right. But"}, {"start": "02:33:09", "end": "02:33:12", "text": "looking at it"}, {"start": "02:33:15", "end": "02:33:21", "text": "in this way,"}, {"start": "02:33:18", "end": "02:33:25", "text": "this was like some type of a field"}, {"start": "02:33:21", "end": "02:33:28", "text": "that was projected this way over my body"}, {"start": "02:33:25", "end": "02:33:30", "text": "and my my hand was up through it like"}, {"start": "02:33:28", "end": "02:33:33", "text": "this."}, {"start": "02:33:30", "end": "02:33:36", "text": "And they reaching down into this like"}, {"start": "02:33:33", "end": "02:33:40", "text": "some type of a"}, {"start": "02:33:36", "end": "02:33:42", "text": "psychic veil or something or"}, {"start": "02:33:40", "end": "02:33:44", "text": "I I guess on the crack cuz it's as if my"}, {"start": "02:33:42", "end": "02:33:45", "text": "hands in their atmosphere and I'm in my"}, {"start": "02:33:44", "end": "02:33:46", "text": "own atmosphere."}, {"start": "02:33:45", "end": "02:33:47", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:33:46", "end": "02:33:50", "text": ">> But something that you could be pulled"}, {"start": "02:33:47", "end": "02:33:51", "text": "in and out of or parts of your body"}, {"start": "02:33:50", "end": "02:33:53", "text": "moved in and out of."}, {"start": "02:33:51", "end": "02:33:56", "text": ">> Was it invisible or was it"}, {"start": "02:33:53", "end": "02:34:00", "text": ">> blue? A blue hue like a Yeah. I mean,"}, {"start": "02:33:56", "end": "02:34:02", "text": "it's not it'd be just like something"}, {"start": "02:34:00", "end": "02:34:03", "text": "opaque or"}, {"start": "02:34:02", "end": "02:34:07", "text": ">> No, it's"}, {"start": "02:34:03", "end": "02:34:10", "text": ">> like glass or gas or"}, {"start": "02:34:07", "end": "02:34:16", "text": ">> projected almost some something that"}, {"start": "02:34:10", "end": "02:34:20", "text": "like a field generated in and uh"}, {"start": "02:34:16", "end": "02:34:22", "text": "and you are you're inside of it. But you"}, {"start": "02:34:20", "end": "02:34:24", "text": "know what he was doing? What if it ended"}, {"start": "02:34:22", "end": "02:34:26", "text": "up being a female? I heard a female"}, {"start": "02:34:24", "end": "02:34:29", "text": "voice. But"}, {"start": "02:34:26", "end": "02:34:30", "text": ">> you heard a voice."}, {"start": "02:34:29", "end": "02:34:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Just"}, {"start": "02:34:30", "end": "02:34:33", "text": ">> in your ears,"}, {"start": "02:34:31", "end": "02:34:33", "text": ">> you know, in my body."}, {"start": "02:34:33", "end": "02:34:36", "text": ">> And it was female."}, {"start": "02:34:33", "end": "02:34:38", "text": ">> It was a female. It was a female voice."}, {"start": "02:34:36", "end": "02:34:41", "text": "We're not, you know, not hurting you or"}, {"start": "02:34:38", "end": "02:34:43", "text": "we're not hurting you or something like"}, {"start": "02:34:41", "end": "02:34:44", "text": "that. I I I don't know the exact verb."}, {"start": "02:34:43", "end": "02:34:47", "text": "We're not hurting you or we're not"}, {"start": "02:34:44", "end": "02:34:49", "text": "hurting you."}, {"start": "02:34:47", "end": "02:34:53", "text": ">> They never moved their mouths."}, {"start": "02:34:49", "end": "02:34:55", "text": "They talk to you inside."}, {"start": "02:34:53", "end": "02:35:00", "text": "They talk to a gel or something. They"}, {"start": "02:34:55", "end": "02:35:03", "text": "talk to something that they put in you."}, {"start": "02:35:00", "end": "02:35:05", "text": ">> It resonates."}, {"start": "02:35:03", "end": "02:35:08", "text": ">> And then I was I was cussing and that's"}, {"start": "02:35:05", "end": "02:35:09", "text": "what I remember about that."}, {"start": "02:35:08", "end": "02:35:10", "text": ">> You were you you were yelling,"}, {"start": "02:35:09", "end": "02:35:12", "text": "physically yelling."}, {"start": "02:35:10", "end": "02:35:13", "text": ">> I don't know if I was yelling, but I was"}, {"start": "02:35:12", "end": "02:35:14", "text": "cussing"}, {"start": "02:35:13", "end": "02:35:14", "text": ">> cuz I was hurting."}, {"start": "02:35:14", "end": "02:35:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:35:14", "end": "02:35:17", "text": ">> I was afraid and I was hurting."}, {"start": "02:35:15", "end": "02:35:20", "text": ">> There's a lot of pain. Do you think do"}, {"start": "02:35:17", "end": "02:35:21", "text": "you think the pain was fear induced or"}, {"start": "02:35:20", "end": "02:35:22", "text": "do you think that it was like real pain?"}, {"start": "02:35:21", "end": "02:35:24", "text": "Like"}, {"start": "02:35:22", "end": "02:35:26", "text": ">> real it was real pain"}, {"start": "02:35:24", "end": "02:35:28", "text": ">> burning real pain in my in that wrist"}, {"start": "02:35:26", "end": "02:35:30", "text": "and I always think about that right now"}, {"start": "02:35:28", "end": "02:35:32", "text": "my hands I don't know if that has"}, {"start": "02:35:30", "end": "02:35:37", "text": "anything to do with anything."}, {"start": "02:35:32", "end": "02:35:39", "text": "Uh my hands are completely numb"}, {"start": "02:35:37", "end": "02:35:41", "text": "and uh"}, {"start": "02:35:39", "end": "02:35:44", "text": "there's other things going on. I do have"}, {"start": "02:35:41", "end": "02:35:46", "text": "two marks on my body"}, {"start": "02:35:44", "end": "02:35:48", "text": "besides those burns. I have two marks."}, {"start": "02:35:46", "end": "02:35:50", "text": "Both of them. One's under my left arm,"}, {"start": "02:35:48", "end": "02:35:54", "text": "the other's on my left ankle. I sent you"}, {"start": "02:35:50", "end": "02:35:54", "text": "pictures of those also. And uh"}, {"start": "02:35:55", "end": "02:36:00", "text": ">> I I don't have answers for of it, you"}, {"start": "02:35:57", "end": "02:36:02", "text": "know. I really don't. And people can say"}, {"start": "02:36:00", "end": "02:36:04", "text": "or think what they want, but I I only"}, {"start": "02:36:02", "end": "02:36:07", "text": "know what I experienced and what I've"}, {"start": "02:36:04", "end": "02:36:11", "text": "gone through. And it's been 48 years ago"}, {"start": "02:36:07", "end": "02:36:13", "text": "for me. But there's there's so much"}, {"start": "02:36:11", "end": "02:36:19", "text": "more. There's so much more to the whole"}, {"start": "02:36:13", "end": "02:36:19", "text": "thing that is it's it's uh"}, {"start": "02:36:19", "end": "02:36:24", "text": "sometimes just it's just very difficult"}, {"start": "02:36:21", "end": "02:36:27", "text": "to to arrange it all to to to tell it."}, {"start": "02:36:24", "end": "02:36:29", "text": "It it just and recalling things like"}, {"start": "02:36:27", "end": "02:36:32", "text": "this sometimes more comes back than what"}, {"start": "02:36:29", "end": "02:36:35", "text": "I went in with. You know, I pick up more"}, {"start": "02:36:32", "end": "02:36:39", "text": "than than I first started with."}, {"start": "02:36:35", "end": "02:36:40", "text": ">> And you got to process that."}, {"start": "02:36:39", "end": "02:36:42", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "02:36:40", "end": "02:36:44", "text": ">> Did you"}, {"start": "02:36:42", "end": "02:36:49", "text": "see Michael?"}, {"start": "02:36:44", "end": "02:36:52", "text": ">> Yeah. And with um Yvon"}, {"start": "02:36:49", "end": "02:36:55", "text": "with Yvon Smith um he was laying"}, {"start": "02:36:52", "end": "02:36:57", "text": "opposite to me in in a direction like he"}, {"start": "02:36:55", "end": "02:37:00", "text": "was facing the opposite direction which"}, {"start": "02:36:57", "end": "02:37:04", "text": "I was. And when I talk about this little"}, {"start": "02:37:00", "end": "02:37:04", "text": "the little guy with the blue eyes,"}, {"start": "02:37:04", "end": "02:37:10", "text": "he was between both of us. And there was"}, {"start": "02:37:07", "end": "02:37:12", "text": "a hand on me right here. And I don't"}, {"start": "02:37:10", "end": "02:37:13", "text": "know if that was for a calming effect,"}, {"start": "02:37:12", "end": "02:37:16", "text": "but I'm shaking like hell about it right"}, {"start": "02:37:13", "end": "02:37:20", "text": "now. But I don't know what that And mind"}, {"start": "02:37:16", "end": "02:37:23", "text": "you, this is hypnosis is extremely,"}, {"start": "02:37:20", "end": "02:37:26", "text": "you know, speculative."}, {"start": "02:37:23", "end": "02:37:28", "text": "And uh I have never ever said that I've"}, {"start": "02:37:26", "end": "02:37:31", "text": "been abducted. I've never said that cuz"}, {"start": "02:37:28", "end": "02:37:33", "text": "I don't know that for real. I only know"}, {"start": "02:37:31", "end": "02:37:36", "text": "what visions came into my mind and"}, {"start": "02:37:33", "end": "02:37:39", "text": "through hypnosis, but I don't recollect"}, {"start": "02:37:36", "end": "02:37:42", "text": "physically of ever being abducted. I"}, {"start": "02:37:39", "end": "02:37:44", "text": "know I've had close proximity and I know"}, {"start": "02:37:42", "end": "02:37:46", "text": "I've smelled them. I know I've seen"}, {"start": "02:37:44", "end": "02:37:49", "text": "them,"}, {"start": "02:37:46", "end": "02:37:52", "text": "but that's as far as I'll go with that."}, {"start": "02:37:49", "end": "02:37:54", "text": ">> I understand."}, {"start": "02:37:52", "end": "02:37:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Yvon Smith, she's very good at"}, {"start": "02:37:54", "end": "02:38:01", "text": "what she does. And I think the that's"}, {"start": "02:37:58", "end": "02:38:04", "text": "when I learned different things in this"}, {"start": "02:38:01", "end": "02:38:06", "text": "hypnosis with uh about Michael and about"}, {"start": "02:38:04", "end": "02:38:09", "text": "seeing"}, {"start": "02:38:06", "end": "02:38:11", "text": "the visions that I've seen because and"}, {"start": "02:38:09", "end": "02:38:14", "text": "that don't even include the dreams that"}, {"start": "02:38:11", "end": "02:38:16", "text": "all this that comes with all of this"}, {"start": "02:38:14", "end": "02:38:19", "text": "from from the very beginning from within"}, {"start": "02:38:16", "end": "02:38:22", "text": "a couple of days of after this whole"}, {"start": "02:38:19", "end": "02:38:24", "text": "things happened you know"}, {"start": "02:38:22", "end": "02:38:29", "text": ">> dreams of them or dreams of other things"}, {"start": "02:38:24", "end": "02:38:31", "text": ">> apocalyptic type things, tidal waves,"}, {"start": "02:38:29", "end": "02:38:35", "text": "desert underwater,"}, {"start": "02:38:31", "end": "02:38:37", "text": "uh, uh, earthquakes,"}, {"start": "02:38:35", "end": "02:38:40", "text": "the sun,"}, {"start": "02:38:37", "end": "02:38:43", "text": "blast from the sun,"}, {"start": "02:38:40", "end": "02:38:46", "text": "there things that you nuclear explosions"}, {"start": "02:38:43", "end": "02:38:48", "text": "you I mean, I've even felt the heat from"}, {"start": "02:38:46", "end": "02:38:50", "text": "a dream in a nuclear explosion. I've"}, {"start": "02:38:48", "end": "02:38:52", "text": "even felt the heat from from a blast of"}, {"start": "02:38:50", "end": "02:38:55", "text": "you know that would be you'd be"}, {"start": "02:38:52", "end": "02:38:59", "text": "vaporized of course but"}, {"start": "02:38:55", "end": "02:39:03", "text": "I've done that and uh felt that"}, {"start": "02:38:59", "end": "02:39:07", "text": "but she when she hypnotized me"}, {"start": "02:39:03", "end": "02:39:10", "text": "we were on uh we were on the water on a"}, {"start": "02:39:07", "end": "02:39:12", "text": "large boat on a large craft"}, {"start": "02:39:10", "end": "02:39:14", "text": "and it was and would on the dock were"}, {"start": "02:39:12", "end": "02:39:17", "text": "seals"}, {"start": "02:39:14", "end": "02:39:22", "text": "and uh in in LA right there by by Long"}, {"start": "02:39:17", "end": "02:39:22", "text": "beach and um"}, {"start": "02:39:22", "end": "02:39:28", "text": "they were so loud like barking dogs on"}, {"start": "02:39:25", "end": "02:39:30", "text": "an aluminum on an aluminum those"}, {"start": "02:39:28", "end": "02:39:32", "text": "aluminum floating docks they have there."}, {"start": "02:39:30", "end": "02:39:35", "text": "And that was the night we we we had um"}, {"start": "02:39:32", "end": "02:39:37", "text": "that was a super cold night we had or"}, {"start": "02:39:35", "end": "02:39:38", "text": "they had in Los Angeles when it snowed"}, {"start": "02:39:37", "end": "02:39:42", "text": "even on the Hollywood signs. There was"}, {"start": "02:39:38", "end": "02:39:43", "text": "snow and ice. I mean, it went from I"}, {"start": "02:39:42", "end": "02:39:45", "text": "don't even know what the temperature was"}, {"start": "02:39:43", "end": "02:39:47", "text": "when I first arrived there, but it got"}, {"start": "02:39:45", "end": "02:39:49", "text": "cold as I don't know what, man. And then"}, {"start": "02:39:47", "end": "02:39:51", "text": "that was when we finished um that night,"}, {"start": "02:39:49", "end": "02:39:53", "text": "Age of Disclosure, when I finished"}, {"start": "02:39:51", "end": "02:39:55", "text": "filming that and and it was work cuz I"}, {"start": "02:39:53", "end": "02:39:59", "text": "had to fly out the next day. So, I went"}, {"start": "02:39:55", "end": "02:40:02", "text": "with with uh John Blitch and then uh"}, {"start": "02:39:59", "end": "02:40:04", "text": "Yavon came down to to do this hypnosis"}, {"start": "02:40:02", "end": "02:40:07", "text": "for us. And uh"}, {"start": "02:40:04", "end": "02:40:10", "text": "but I think being overwater had a"}, {"start": "02:40:07", "end": "02:40:15", "text": "greater effect than being than laying on"}, {"start": "02:40:10", "end": "02:40:17", "text": "a bed on, you know, in a home in a you"}, {"start": "02:40:15", "end": "02:40:18", "text": "know on concrete versus directly over"}, {"start": "02:40:17", "end": "02:40:19", "text": "water because"}, {"start": "02:40:18", "end": "02:40:21", "text": ">> relaxing."}, {"start": "02:40:19", "end": "02:40:24", "text": ">> Yeah. It was a lot different. Seemed"}, {"start": "02:40:21", "end": "02:40:27", "text": "like it was more conductive and her"}, {"start": "02:40:24", "end": "02:40:30", "text": "questions were just crisp and clear."}, {"start": "02:40:27", "end": "02:40:32", "text": "There was no"}, {"start": "02:40:30", "end": "02:40:36", "text": "there wasn't anything that was shrouding"}, {"start": "02:40:32", "end": "02:40:38", "text": "them in any way, you know, that it it uh"}, {"start": "02:40:36", "end": "02:40:42", "text": "it just was a whole lot easier for some"}, {"start": "02:40:38", "end": "02:40:44", "text": "reason. And I was afraid of of Aphib"}, {"start": "02:40:42", "end": "02:40:48", "text": "again because I' I've been in it uh a"}, {"start": "02:40:44", "end": "02:40:51", "text": "couple of times now. Just happens and it"}, {"start": "02:40:48", "end": "02:40:54", "text": "just happened from that first initial"}, {"start": "02:40:51", "end": "02:40:58", "text": "time. then"}, {"start": "02:40:54", "end": "02:41:01", "text": "uh with Bob Upton then to her but I"}, {"start": "02:40:58", "end": "02:41:03", "text": "anyway I had a pill and she she was we"}, {"start": "02:41:01", "end": "02:41:05", "text": "didn't record it we she verball we u"}, {"start": "02:41:03", "end": "02:41:07", "text": "recorded the audio we didn't have any"}, {"start": "02:41:05", "end": "02:41:12", "text": "kind of ability to record it you know"}, {"start": "02:41:07", "end": "02:41:15", "text": "live but um or on camera"}, {"start": "02:41:12", "end": "02:41:17", "text": "and she had this I had this pill uh my"}, {"start": "02:41:15", "end": "02:41:19", "text": "doctor had given me amiadone I think is"}, {"start": "02:41:17", "end": "02:41:22", "text": "what it's called and he told me if I"}, {"start": "02:41:19", "end": "02:41:24", "text": "ever felt symptoms of Ahib Dr."}, {"start": "02:41:22", "end": "02:41:25", "text": "Strickland did to take one of these. So"}, {"start": "02:41:24", "end": "02:41:27", "text": "I had it with me and she had it in her"}, {"start": "02:41:25", "end": "02:41:32", "text": "hand the whole time about melted it"}, {"start": "02:41:27", "end": "02:41:33", "text": "away. It was okay though. And um she's"}, {"start": "02:41:32", "end": "02:41:38", "text": "super nice lady and we've talked several"}, {"start": "02:41:33", "end": "02:41:38", "text": "times back back then. But"}, {"start": "02:41:39", "end": "02:41:45", "text": "some of those visions are are are"}, {"start": "02:41:43", "end": "02:41:47", "text": "almost indescribable"}, {"start": "02:41:45", "end": "02:41:49", "text": "the things that uh that have seen, you"}, {"start": "02:41:47", "end": "02:41:52", "text": "know, as far as like dreams go or"}, {"start": "02:41:49", "end": "02:41:53", "text": "apocalyptic stuff. And I just hope none"}, {"start": "02:41:52", "end": "02:41:55", "text": "of that ever happens."}, {"start": "02:41:53", "end": "02:41:56", "text": ">> Do you think that's from them showing"}, {"start": "02:41:55", "end": "02:41:57", "text": "that to you?"}, {"start": "02:41:56", "end": "02:41:59", "text": ">> I don't know. I don't know where else"}, {"start": "02:41:57", "end": "02:42:02", "text": "could it could have come from other than"}, {"start": "02:41:59", "end": "02:42:05", "text": "that. I don't know if if they put things"}, {"start": "02:42:02", "end": "02:42:08", "text": "in your mind to maybe push you in one"}, {"start": "02:42:05", "end": "02:42:10", "text": "direction or to think of a cure for"}, {"start": "02:42:08", "end": "02:42:13", "text": "something or"}, {"start": "02:42:10", "end": "02:42:16", "text": ">> were you were you shown anything on the"}, {"start": "02:42:13", "end": "02:42:18", "text": "craft by them"}, {"start": "02:42:16", "end": "02:42:22", "text": ">> according to the hypnotic regressions"}, {"start": "02:42:18", "end": "02:42:22", "text": "and not to your conscious memory?"}, {"start": "02:42:23", "end": "02:42:29", "text": "A room with old things in it like an old"}, {"start": "02:42:26", "end": "02:42:33", "text": "I sent you a drawing of that old box TV."}, {"start": "02:42:29", "end": "02:42:34", "text": "An old uh rod iron iron."}, {"start": "02:42:33", "end": "02:42:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:42:34", "end": "02:42:38", "text": ">> Pole lights that go from the floor to"}, {"start": "02:42:36", "end": "02:42:41", "text": "the ceiling. It was like a room of"}, {"start": "02:42:38", "end": "02:42:43", "text": "antiques. And I was allowed to go in"}, {"start": "02:42:41", "end": "02:42:44", "text": "this room and on the back wall there's a"}, {"start": "02:42:43", "end": "02:42:48", "text": "there was a round window and it had a"}, {"start": "02:42:44", "end": "02:42:50", "text": "slice taken out of it. like it was just"}, {"start": "02:42:48", "end": "02:42:51", "text": "a slice taken out of a out of a round"}, {"start": "02:42:50", "end": "02:42:53", "text": "circle. That was a that was a window."}, {"start": "02:42:51", "end": "02:42:55", "text": "And I was told I could go look out this"}, {"start": "02:42:53", "end": "02:42:58", "text": "window"}, {"start": "02:42:55", "end": "02:42:59", "text": "by a small one by by a small grave."}, {"start": "02:42:58", "end": "02:42:59", "text": ">> You were told in your head."}, {"start": "02:42:59", "end": "02:43:00", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:42:59", "end": "02:43:02", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "02:43:00", "end": "02:43:04", "text": ">> I was still in my head and I'm I'm I'm"}, {"start": "02:43:02", "end": "02:43:06", "text": "kind of laughing about it. I'm I'm think"}, {"start": "02:43:04", "end": "02:43:09", "text": "what are all these old things in here"}, {"start": "02:43:06", "end": "02:43:12", "text": "for? You know, this old box TV and a Oh,"}, {"start": "02:43:09", "end": "02:43:16", "text": "and a old wooden radio, you know, like"}, {"start": "02:43:12", "end": "02:43:18", "text": "real old. And uh"}, {"start": "02:43:16", "end": "02:43:20", "text": "but I was I wouldn't look out the"}, {"start": "02:43:18", "end": "02:43:23", "text": "window. I was too afraid. And then I"}, {"start": "02:43:20", "end": "02:43:25", "text": "started noticing things around me"}, {"start": "02:43:23", "end": "02:43:28", "text": "cuz I was allowed to stay for just a a"}, {"start": "02:43:25", "end": "02:43:30", "text": "few minutes or so. And even the walls"}, {"start": "02:43:28", "end": "02:43:33", "text": "and the baseboards were powered."}, {"start": "02:43:30", "end": "02:43:35", "text": "Everything in it was was was like alive."}, {"start": "02:43:33", "end": "02:43:37", "text": "The shelving had lights in it much like"}, {"start": "02:43:35", "end": "02:43:40", "text": "but your couch like those kind of"}, {"start": "02:43:37", "end": "02:43:43", "text": "lights. Everything had lights in it. Was"}, {"start": "02:43:40", "end": "02:43:44", "text": "touchable, was energized."}, {"start": "02:43:43", "end": "02:43:48", "text": "everything. There was nothing that was,"}, {"start": "02:43:44", "end": "02:43:50", "text": "you know, stagnant like um like that"}, {"start": "02:43:48", "end": "02:43:54", "text": "wall right there. It was all"}, {"start": "02:43:50", "end": "02:43:56", "text": "It all had something. It all had energy."}, {"start": "02:43:54", "end": "02:43:58", "text": ">> Yeah. All had energy. Everything"}, {"start": "02:43:56", "end": "02:44:00", "text": ">> even in the antique room."}, {"start": "02:43:58", "end": "02:44:03", "text": ">> Uh not the items themselves, but what"}, {"start": "02:44:00", "end": "02:44:06", "text": "where they were. Yes. All of it."}, {"start": "02:44:03", "end": "02:44:09", "text": ">> The shelving, the the supports. And and"}, {"start": "02:44:06", "end": "02:44:12", "text": "then as I left there, as I was left led"}, {"start": "02:44:09", "end": "02:44:14", "text": "out of there by a little guy, I'm"}, {"start": "02:44:12", "end": "02:44:18", "text": "walking in this hallway and it's all"}, {"start": "02:44:14", "end": "02:44:21", "text": "alive and an open area opens up, a vast"}, {"start": "02:44:18", "end": "02:44:25", "text": "open area that's just huge. And there's"}, {"start": "02:44:21", "end": "02:44:28", "text": "just like thousands of them and and"}, {"start": "02:44:25", "end": "02:44:29", "text": "uh like those lights right there, just"}, {"start": "02:44:28", "end": "02:44:33", "text": "thousands of them up in these little"}, {"start": "02:44:29", "end": "02:44:35", "text": "cubicles as as far as you could see. and"}, {"start": "02:44:33", "end": "02:44:37", "text": "and right and left and up and down. It"}, {"start": "02:44:35", "end": "02:44:39", "text": "was just everybody was like ants having"}, {"start": "02:44:37", "end": "02:44:41", "text": "a job or something. And I just kept"}, {"start": "02:44:39", "end": "02:44:43", "text": "following him and I and then I turned"}, {"start": "02:44:41", "end": "02:44:46", "text": "left into a room"}, {"start": "02:44:43", "end": "02:44:47", "text": "and the room was full of steam and I"}, {"start": "02:44:46", "end": "02:44:49", "text": "followed him in there. He vanished in"}, {"start": "02:44:47", "end": "02:44:50", "text": "the steam and I followed in there and I"}, {"start": "02:44:49", "end": "02:44:53", "text": "woke up"}, {"start": "02:44:50", "end": "02:44:56", "text": ">> and I don't know what I don't know what"}, {"start": "02:44:53", "end": "02:44:59", "text": "that was but you know hypnosis again"}, {"start": "02:44:56", "end": "02:45:02", "text": "it's is a strange thing and dreams are a"}, {"start": "02:44:59", "end": "02:45:04", "text": "strange I dream some really some really"}, {"start": "02:45:02", "end": "02:45:08", "text": "crazy dreams sometimes"}, {"start": "02:45:04", "end": "02:45:11", "text": ">> when when you think back to the memories"}, {"start": "02:45:08", "end": "02:45:13", "text": "or the"}, {"start": "02:45:11", "end": "02:45:15", "text": "visions that you got during your"}, {"start": "02:45:13", "end": "02:45:17", "text": "regression"}, {"start": "02:45:15", "end": "02:45:19", "text": "do they feel similar similar to the"}, {"start": "02:45:17", "end": "02:45:22", "text": "dreams you had or do they feel more"}, {"start": "02:45:19", "end": "02:45:25", "text": "similar to seeing the beings beside your"}, {"start": "02:45:22", "end": "02:45:25", "text": "truck?"}, {"start": "02:45:27", "end": "02:45:30", "text": ">> It Oh, it feels real."}, {"start": "02:45:28", "end": "02:45:31", "text": ">> It feels more like the ladder."}, {"start": "02:45:30", "end": "02:45:33", "text": ">> It feels more like the ladder. Yeah,"}, {"start": "02:45:31", "end": "02:45:36", "text": "that's a good question. Never asked that"}, {"start": "02:45:33", "end": "02:45:38", "text": "before. There's sometimes when I can"}, {"start": "02:45:36", "end": "02:45:41", "text": "when I go to sleep, I can go back into"}, {"start": "02:45:38", "end": "02:45:42", "text": "that same part of that dream and"}, {"start": "02:45:41", "end": "02:45:44", "text": "continue on if that's a dream"}, {"start": "02:45:42", "end": "02:45:47", "text": ">> in that big room."}, {"start": "02:45:44", "end": "02:45:49", "text": ">> Yeah. All of it. I mean, in smell,"}, {"start": "02:45:47", "end": "02:45:50", "text": ">> was the smell present in that room as"}, {"start": "02:45:49", "end": "02:45:52", "text": "well? Was it all"}, {"start": "02:45:50", "end": "02:45:54", "text": ">> It was, but it wasn't as as pungent. It"}, {"start": "02:45:52", "end": "02:45:56", "text": "was just there. Maybe I'd had more time"}, {"start": "02:45:54", "end": "02:45:57", "text": "in it or something and gotten more used"}, {"start": "02:45:56", "end": "02:45:58", "text": "to it."}, {"start": "02:45:57", "end": "02:46:00", "text": ">> Got more used to it. Makes sense."}, {"start": "02:45:58", "end": "02:46:02", "text": ">> That's the way I I have to I have to"}, {"start": "02:46:00", "end": "02:46:05", "text": "straighten these things in my mind, you"}, {"start": "02:46:02", "end": "02:46:08", "text": "know. I I if not, you just might as well"}, {"start": "02:46:05", "end": "02:46:10", "text": "go lock me up somewhere, I guess. You"}, {"start": "02:46:08", "end": "02:46:15", "text": "know, and and you know what I want"}, {"start": "02:46:10", "end": "02:46:17", "text": "people to understand is that it's uh"}, {"start": "02:46:15", "end": "02:46:21", "text": "if you have a loved one at home and you"}, {"start": "02:46:17", "end": "02:46:25", "text": "and you live and and partake in this"}, {"start": "02:46:21", "end": "02:46:25", "text": "field, you have to be"}, {"start": "02:46:25", "end": "02:46:33", "text": "uh very aware of how it affects them."}, {"start": "02:46:30", "end": "02:46:36", "text": "And uh I never meant to put anybody"}, {"start": "02:46:33", "end": "02:46:40", "text": "through anything that's happened to me,"}, {"start": "02:46:36", "end": "02:46:40", "text": "you know, or to,"}, {"start": "02:46:40", "end": "02:46:46", "text": "you know, to I'm not an expert in any of"}, {"start": "02:46:43", "end": "02:46:48", "text": "this in any way. But I never I've never"}, {"start": "02:46:46", "end": "02:46:50", "text": "meant to"}, {"start": "02:46:48", "end": "02:46:53", "text": "like upset"}, {"start": "02:46:50", "end": "02:46:54", "text": "my wife or,"}, {"start": "02:46:53", "end": "02:46:56", "text": "you know, like my wife now, she didn't"}, {"start": "02:46:54", "end": "02:46:58", "text": "deserve any of this. I didn't tell her"}, {"start": "02:46:56", "end": "02:47:00", "text": "till 1995. And I just I just ate it and"}, {"start": "02:46:58", "end": "02:47:02", "text": "lived with it until I didn't have a"}, {"start": "02:47:00", "end": "02:47:05", "text": "clearance anymore, a Q clearance. That's"}, {"start": "02:47:02", "end": "02:47:08", "text": "when when I lost my job at Y12 facility"}, {"start": "02:47:05", "end": "02:47:10", "text": "or actually I was at K25 at that time"}, {"start": "02:47:08", "end": "02:47:12", "text": "when the big layoffs were occurring. And"}, {"start": "02:47:10", "end": "02:47:14", "text": "that's what happened to me. I went out"}, {"start": "02:47:12", "end": "02:47:16", "text": "with about 10,000 people, believe it or"}, {"start": "02:47:14", "end": "02:47:18", "text": "not. There was that many people in the"}, {"start": "02:47:16", "end": "02:47:21", "text": "Oakidge area. And all of them at one"}, {"start": "02:47:18", "end": "02:47:23", "text": "time Oakidge had more PhDs there than"}, {"start": "02:47:21", "end": "02:47:25", "text": "any other place in the country. And now"}, {"start": "02:47:23", "end": "02:47:28", "text": "they have all moved in there or in Los"}, {"start": "02:47:25", "end": "02:47:30", "text": "Alamos. And uh"}, {"start": "02:47:28", "end": "02:47:33", "text": "I can't understand how they took Sean"}, {"start": "02:47:30", "end": "02:47:34", "text": "Kurpatre over to OL. That just blows my"}, {"start": "02:47:33", "end": "02:47:36", "text": "mind"}, {"start": "02:47:34", "end": "02:47:39", "text": "where I came from. There he There he is"}, {"start": "02:47:36", "end": "02:47:43", "text": "now. I just I wish I could one day I'll"}, {"start": "02:47:39", "end": "02:47:43", "text": "have a chat with him. But"}, {"start": "02:47:43", "end": "02:47:47", "text": "that was really bad how Arrow did that"}, {"start": "02:47:46", "end": "02:47:49", "text": "whole thing in that first set of"}, {"start": "02:47:47", "end": "02:47:53", "text": "interviews they did with people. Well,"}, {"start": "02:47:49", "end": "02:47:55", "text": "you um you testified Yeah. in for era."}, {"start": "02:47:53", "end": "02:47:57", "text": ">> 4 hours and 19 minutes."}, {"start": "02:47:55", "end": "02:47:58", "text": ">> Four hours and 19 minutes. And you said"}, {"start": "02:47:57", "end": "02:48:01", "text": "what you said to me."}, {"start": "02:47:58", "end": "02:48:04", "text": ">> Everything. And then probably some, too."}, {"start": "02:48:01", "end": "02:48:07", "text": "Yeah. And of course, it's it's under"}, {"start": "02:48:04", "end": "02:48:09", "text": "oath, per se. Yeah. As as they read you"}, {"start": "02:48:07", "end": "02:48:12", "text": "a whole lit lit of things that you have"}, {"start": "02:48:09", "end": "02:48:13", "text": "to agree to before you ever do it."}, {"start": "02:48:12", "end": "02:48:15", "text": ">> And of course, it was always the talk"}, {"start": "02:48:13", "end": "02:48:15", "text": "about Congress and that kind of thing."}, {"start": "02:48:15", "end": "02:48:16", "text": "But"}, {"start": "02:48:15", "end": "02:48:17", "text": ">> sure,"}, {"start": "02:48:16", "end": "02:48:19", "text": ">> it's like one guy told me, he said,"}, {"start": "02:48:17", "end": "02:48:21", "text": "\"They're not ready to talk about what"}, {"start": "02:48:19", "end": "02:48:23", "text": "you saw out that right side of that"}, {"start": "02:48:21", "end": "02:48:24", "text": "window or any of your dreams or"}, {"start": "02:48:23", "end": "02:48:25", "text": "hypnosis, which I wouldn't talk about"}, {"start": "02:48:24", "end": "02:48:27", "text": "that anyway. I want I can only talk"}, {"start": "02:48:25", "end": "02:48:29", "text": "about what in the physical conscious"}, {"start": "02:48:27", "end": "02:48:30", "text": "world that I saw, smelled, and"}, {"start": "02:48:29", "end": "02:48:31", "text": "experienced.\""}, {"start": "02:48:30", "end": "02:48:32", "text": ">> Still too much."}, {"start": "02:48:31", "end": "02:48:33", "text": ">> Yeah. They can't do"}, {"start": "02:48:32", "end": "02:48:34", "text": ">> They want to light in the sky."}, {"start": "02:48:33", "end": "02:48:36", "text": ">> Yeah. They just want to light in the sky"}, {"start": "02:48:34", "end": "02:48:37", "text": "at a far distance."}, {"start": "02:48:36", "end": "02:48:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "02:48:37", "end": "02:48:42", "text": ">> You know, that's one thing I I kind of"}, {"start": "02:48:39", "end": "02:48:42", "text": ">> But that's not, you know, your fault."}, {"start": "02:48:42", "end": "02:48:44", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "02:48:42", "end": "02:48:47", "text": ">> You know what I mean? Like that's"}, {"start": "02:48:44", "end": "02:48:50", "text": ">> you you out of all this are like such a"}, {"start": "02:48:47", "end": "02:48:53", "text": "brave person for stepping forward for"}, {"start": "02:48:50", "end": "02:48:57", "text": "talking about this knowing full well"}, {"start": "02:48:53", "end": "02:48:59", "text": "full well you know what some people"}, {"start": "02:48:57", "end": "02:49:00", "text": "might think and like there's there's no"}, {"start": "02:48:59", "end": "02:49:02", "text": "good reason"}, {"start": "02:49:00", "end": "02:49:05", "text": ">> to talk about this stuff"}, {"start": "02:49:02", "end": "02:49:07", "text": ">> for anyone coming out being reluctant"}, {"start": "02:49:05", "end": "02:49:08", "text": "like I get it you know what I mean like"}, {"start": "02:49:07", "end": "02:49:11", "text": "and you get it more than anyone like"}, {"start": "02:49:08", "end": "02:49:13", "text": "yeah what's the point of coming out if"}, {"start": "02:49:11", "end": "02:49:15", "text": "the very people who are supposed to"}, {"start": "02:49:13", "end": "02:49:17", "text": "fight for transparency are the ones"}, {"start": "02:49:15", "end": "02:49:18", "text": "denying."}, {"start": "02:49:17", "end": "02:49:21", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:49:18", "end": "02:49:23", "text": ">> Denying flat out that there is any"}, {"start": "02:49:21", "end": "02:49:25", "text": "correlation between these nuclear bases"}, {"start": "02:49:23", "end": "02:49:28", "text": "and the UFOs."}, {"start": "02:49:25", "end": "02:49:30", "text": ">> Like even even that which is so far from"}, {"start": "02:49:28", "end": "02:49:31", "text": "where we are with this story. They're"}, {"start": "02:49:30", "end": "02:49:34", "text": "not even willing to go there. Like the"}, {"start": "02:49:31", "end": "02:49:36", "text": "you know it's it's kind of this it's"}, {"start": "02:49:34", "end": "02:49:36", "text": "aggravating and it must be aggravating"}, {"start": "02:49:36", "end": "02:49:39", "text": "for you."}, {"start": "02:49:36", "end": "02:49:42", "text": ">> It is. It's the same people"}, {"start": "02:49:39", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "that told you, \"If we have questions,"}, {"start": "02:49:42", "end": "02:49:43", "text": "we'll call you.\""}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:45", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "02:49:43", "end": "02:49:46", "text": ">> What do you mean if you have questions?"}, {"start": "02:49:45", "end": "02:49:47", "text": ">> If you have questions,"}, {"start": "02:49:46", "end": "02:49:49", "text": ">> what about me? Like, what about you?"}, {"start": "02:49:47", "end": "02:49:51", "text": "We're who's answering those freaking"}, {"start": "02:49:49", "end": "02:49:53", "text": "questions? Like, this is unbelievable."}, {"start": "02:49:51", "end": "02:49:54", "text": ">> The the best part about all that, they"}, {"start": "02:49:53", "end": "02:49:56", "text": "call you and they get you on the phone"}, {"start": "02:49:54", "end": "02:49:57", "text": "for an hour, two hours, interview you on"}, {"start": "02:49:56", "end": "02:50:00", "text": "the phone. There's two or three of them,"}, {"start": "02:49:57", "end": "02:50:02", "text": "and they tell you there's only one guy,"}, {"start": "02:50:00", "end": "02:50:04", "text": ">> which is BS. One of the best books"}, {"start": "02:50:02", "end": "02:50:06", "text": "that's helped me is Out of Time by Steve"}, {"start": "02:50:04", "end": "02:50:08", "text": "Aspen. you I know you know who he is and"}, {"start": "02:50:06", "end": "02:50:09", "text": "he just wrote a second book and I can't"}, {"start": "02:50:08", "end": "02:50:12", "text": "I can't recall the title right now. I've"}, {"start": "02:50:09", "end": "02:50:15", "text": "got it in my in my bag in there and I've"}, {"start": "02:50:12", "end": "02:50:17", "text": "been reading on it."}, {"start": "02:50:15", "end": "02:50:22", "text": "There is such a correlation with this in"}, {"start": "02:50:17", "end": "02:50:24", "text": "time and and his book has helped me to"}, {"start": "02:50:22", "end": "02:50:26", "text": "think about this because I think that"}, {"start": "02:50:24", "end": "02:50:29", "text": "time was displaced where I was or in"}, {"start": "02:50:26", "end": "02:50:33", "text": "that vehicle. However humans can"}, {"start": "02:50:29", "end": "02:50:35", "text": "understand that I honestly felt that"}, {"start": "02:50:33", "end": "02:50:38", "text": "there was some"}, {"start": "02:50:35", "end": "02:50:40", "text": "something to do with time and how they"}, {"start": "02:50:38", "end": "02:50:43", "text": "did what they did, the time in which"}, {"start": "02:50:40", "end": "02:50:45", "text": "they do it, but they understand that"}, {"start": "02:50:43", "end": "02:50:47", "text": "much better than I. But he he he brought"}, {"start": "02:50:45", "end": "02:50:49", "text": "he's brought about a lot of really good"}, {"start": "02:50:47", "end": "02:50:53", "text": "ideas"}, {"start": "02:50:49", "end": "02:50:56", "text": "and and and and findings in in his book"}, {"start": "02:50:53", "end": "02:50:58", "text": "out of time which which I um which I"}, {"start": "02:50:56", "end": "02:51:01", "text": "which"}, {"start": "02:50:58", "end": "02:51:03", "text": "I have found a whole lot of correlations"}, {"start": "02:51:01", "end": "02:51:06", "text": "in his book as the way I feel and what I"}, {"start": "02:51:03", "end": "02:51:09", "text": "think about"}, {"start": "02:51:06", "end": "02:51:13", "text": "the um"}, {"start": "02:51:09", "end": "02:51:13", "text": "the other thing is that"}, {"start": "02:51:15", "end": "02:51:19", "text": "when Arrow does these interviews, and I"}, {"start": "02:51:18", "end": "02:51:20", "text": "don't think they're going to be doing"}, {"start": "02:51:19", "end": "02:51:23", "text": "them like they did before. I think it's"}, {"start": "02:51:20", "end": "02:51:24", "text": "gone way above that now. I just don't"}, {"start": "02:51:23", "end": "02:51:26", "text": "think they have the credibility any"}, {"start": "02:51:24", "end": "02:51:28", "text": "longer to talk to anybody because a lot"}, {"start": "02:51:26", "end": "02:51:32", "text": "of us felt pretty jilted by that whole"}, {"start": "02:51:28", "end": "02:51:32", "text": "by that whole thing. You know,"}, {"start": "02:51:33", "end": "02:51:37", "text": "not only do they want you to testify if"}, {"start": "02:51:35", "end": "02:51:39", "text": "they call you before Congress, they want"}, {"start": "02:51:37", "end": "02:51:42", "text": "you to pay your own way up there, pay"}, {"start": "02:51:39", "end": "02:51:44", "text": "your own hotel bill and everything and"}, {"start": "02:51:42", "end": "02:51:46", "text": "all associated expenses. Like you just"}, {"start": "02:51:44", "end": "02:51:48", "text": "got an extra, you can just go to DC. You"}, {"start": "02:51:46", "end": "02:51:50", "text": "know how expensive DC is? You can just"}, {"start": "02:51:48", "end": "02:51:51", "text": "go there with three or four extra"}, {"start": "02:51:50", "end": "02:51:53", "text": "thousand dollars that you've got laying"}, {"start": "02:51:51", "end": "02:51:56", "text": "around to testify before people are just"}, {"start": "02:51:53", "end": "02:51:58", "text": "going to look at you and say laugh at"}, {"start": "02:51:56", "end": "02:52:01", "text": "you or whatever they're going to do. I"}, {"start": "02:51:58", "end": "02:52:01", "text": "don't know. But"}, {"start": "02:52:06", "end": "02:52:13", "text": "I I sometimes worry"}, {"start": "02:52:09", "end": "02:52:16", "text": "that that you can say too much"}, {"start": "02:52:13", "end": "02:52:16", "text": "because"}, {"start": "02:52:18", "end": "02:52:24", "text": "I I just I just want the truth to be"}, {"start": "02:52:21", "end": "02:52:26", "text": "told. I don't want any embellishments. I"}, {"start": "02:52:24", "end": "02:52:30", "text": "don't want any type of guessing. I don't"}, {"start": "02:52:26", "end": "02:52:34", "text": "want any type of uh"}, {"start": "02:52:30", "end": "02:52:36", "text": "information concerning myself to be put"}, {"start": "02:52:34", "end": "02:52:39", "text": "out there that's not something that I"}, {"start": "02:52:36", "end": "02:52:41", "text": "said, did, or or adhere to. And I've had"}, {"start": "02:52:39", "end": "02:52:44", "text": "several times where things have been"}, {"start": "02:52:41", "end": "02:52:46", "text": "said that I didn't say or that I didn't"}, {"start": "02:52:44", "end": "02:52:49", "text": "do."}, {"start": "02:52:46", "end": "02:52:51", "text": "And and it it just really bothers me"}, {"start": "02:52:49", "end": "02:52:53", "text": "that"}, {"start": "02:52:51", "end": "02:52:55", "text": "you know and the reason I bring this up"}, {"start": "02:52:53", "end": "02:52:57", "text": "is because one of the guys one of the"}, {"start": "02:52:55", "end": "02:53:00", "text": "guys at Arrow that interviewed me or I"}, {"start": "02:52:57", "end": "02:53:03", "text": "wouldn't know it was Congress"}, {"start": "02:53:00", "end": "02:53:05", "text": "that interviewed me to go before"}, {"start": "02:53:03", "end": "02:53:08", "text": "Congress"}, {"start": "02:53:05", "end": "02:53:10", "text": "uh kind of made fun of me and said and I"}, {"start": "02:53:08", "end": "02:53:13", "text": "I have his name and his phone number and"}, {"start": "02:53:10", "end": "02:53:14", "text": "everything and I I just I I kind of said"}, {"start": "02:53:13", "end": "02:53:17", "text": "something to him that that uh I hope it"}, {"start": "02:53:14", "end": "02:53:17", "text": "resonated with him"}, {"start": "02:53:19", "end": "02:53:22", "text": "He said, \"Um,"}, {"start": "02:53:22", "end": "02:53:25", "text": "well, just keep doing.\" He said, \"Just"}, {"start": "02:53:24", "end": "02:53:27", "text": "keep doing what you're doing.\" He says,"}, {"start": "02:53:25", "end": "02:53:28", "text": "\"And we'll let you know when we'd like"}, {"start": "02:53:27", "end": "02:53:30", "text": "to hear from you something.\" And that's"}, {"start": "02:53:28", "end": "02:53:32", "text": "after we spent two and a half hours on"}, {"start": "02:53:30", "end": "02:53:35", "text": "the telephone. My my time is as"}, {"start": "02:53:32", "end": "02:53:39", "text": "valuable, if not more, to me than it is"}, {"start": "02:53:35", "end": "02:53:41", "text": "than, you know, than to him. I I think,"}, {"start": "02:53:39", "end": "02:53:43", "text": "man, where where do you think you you're"}, {"start": "02:53:41", "end": "02:53:46", "text": "coming from by talking like that to"}, {"start": "02:53:43", "end": "02:53:47", "text": "people? And that's why a lot of people"}, {"start": "02:53:46", "end": "02:53:49", "text": "don't don't want to do that. Don't want"}, {"start": "02:53:47", "end": "02:53:51", "text": "to go before Congress or or whatever."}, {"start": "02:53:49", "end": "02:53:53", "text": "But"}, {"start": "02:53:51", "end": "02:53:55", "text": ">> I think what you're doing here will"}, {"start": "02:53:53", "end": "02:53:57", "text": "resonate on a deeper level with the"}, {"start": "02:53:55", "end": "02:53:59", "text": "people listening"}, {"start": "02:53:57", "end": "02:54:00", "text": ">> than watching it on a C-SPAN feed."}, {"start": "02:53:59", "end": "02:54:06", "text": ">> Yeah, I do."}, {"start": "02:54:00", "end": "02:54:08", "text": ">> I mean, I I uh I appreciate that. I I I"}, {"start": "02:54:06", "end": "02:54:11", "text": "just uh I just want to do the right"}, {"start": "02:54:08", "end": "02:54:13", "text": "thing. I just I want answers and as as"}, {"start": "02:54:11", "end": "02:54:15", "text": "everybody else wants answers and I'm not"}, {"start": "02:54:13", "end": "02:54:17", "text": "trying to put down anybody else to"}, {"start": "02:54:15", "end": "02:54:20", "text": "obtain those answers. I only know what"}, {"start": "02:54:17", "end": "02:54:23", "text": "happened to me and to Michael Johnson"}, {"start": "02:54:20", "end": "02:54:25", "text": "more or less until he comes forward and"}, {"start": "02:54:23", "end": "02:54:27", "text": "that's all I know to relay. You know"}, {"start": "02:54:25", "end": "02:54:29", "text": "everything else people are putting out"}, {"start": "02:54:27", "end": "02:54:32", "text": "some brilliant publications and books on"}, {"start": "02:54:29", "end": "02:54:34", "text": "the subject matter. So that's increased"}, {"start": "02:54:32", "end": "02:54:36", "text": "everybody's knowledge and we'll and"}, {"start": "02:54:34", "end": "02:54:38", "text": "we'll continue to do so. And I'm I'm"}, {"start": "02:54:36", "end": "02:54:41", "text": "just looking forward to the future and"}, {"start": "02:54:38", "end": "02:54:45", "text": "just where this is all going because if"}, {"start": "02:54:41", "end": "02:54:48", "text": "if we can just get 10% of the technology"}, {"start": "02:54:45", "end": "02:54:51", "text": "that I've seen in my lifetime with with"}, {"start": "02:54:48", "end": "02:54:52", "text": "these beings and these craft,"}, {"start": "02:54:51", "end": "02:54:55", "text": "we wouldn't have polluted skies and"}, {"start": "02:54:52", "end": "02:54:58", "text": "polluted grounds and polluted waters and"}, {"start": "02:54:55", "end": "02:55:01", "text": "plastic polluting everything. And"}, {"start": "02:54:58", "end": "02:55:03", "text": "maybe we could just be a better society."}, {"start": "02:55:01", "end": "02:55:04", "text": "Perhaps we'd have better answers and"}, {"start": "02:55:03", "end": "02:55:05", "text": "there wouldn't be as much violence. It"}, {"start": "02:55:04", "end": "02:55:08", "text": "wouldn't be a whole lot of things, but"}, {"start": "02:55:05", "end": "02:55:10", "text": "people would have purpose,"}, {"start": "02:55:08", "end": "02:55:11", "text": "you know, whether it be a job and a new"}, {"start": "02:55:10", "end": "02:55:14", "text": "technology because it it'll be"}, {"start": "02:55:11", "end": "02:55:16", "text": "all-encompassing when it when it finally"}, {"start": "02:55:14", "end": "02:55:20", "text": "does make its way because mankind will"}, {"start": "02:55:16", "end": "02:55:21", "text": "shift in my humble opinion"}, {"start": "02:55:20", "end": "02:55:24", "text": "when those kind of energies are"}, {"start": "02:55:21", "end": "02:55:29", "text": "discovered. And if the powers that be"}, {"start": "02:55:24", "end": "02:55:31", "text": "are not corrupt and self- serving and"}, {"start": "02:55:29", "end": "02:55:33", "text": "enlightens the rest of the world with"}, {"start": "02:55:31", "end": "02:55:36", "text": "it, think of the potential that we have"}, {"start": "02:55:33", "end": "02:55:37", "text": "as a planet and as a civilization to"}, {"start": "02:55:36", "end": "02:55:40", "text": "move forward."}, {"start": "02:55:37", "end": "02:55:42", "text": "You know, the things that are going to"}, {"start": "02:55:40", "end": "02:55:44", "text": "be discovered in Egypt,"}, {"start": "02:55:42", "end": "02:55:47", "text": "I I I do think they were a class one"}, {"start": "02:55:44", "end": "02:55:49", "text": "civilization prior to whatever happened"}, {"start": "02:55:47", "end": "02:55:51", "text": "happened 12,500 years ago, whatever"}, {"start": "02:55:49", "end": "02:55:53", "text": "calamity took place. I think we were I"}, {"start": "02:55:51", "end": "02:55:55", "text": "think they were a class one civilization"}, {"start": "02:55:53", "end": "02:55:56", "text": "and we're not there yet."}, {"start": "02:55:55", "end": "02:55:58", "text": ">> Well, by the time this comes out, you'll"}, {"start": "02:55:56", "end": "02:56:00", "text": "have already gone to Egypt."}, {"start": "02:55:58", "end": "02:56:01", "text": ">> Mhm. Next month."}, {"start": "02:56:00", "end": "02:56:03", "text": ">> How excited are you?"}, {"start": "02:56:01", "end": "02:56:05", "text": ">> I'm I'm I can't contain myself to jump"}, {"start": "02:56:03", "end": "02:56:09", "text": "out of my skin now."}, {"start": "02:56:05", "end": "02:56:10", "text": ">> Yeah. Our friend uh Amar Omar is, you"}, {"start": "02:56:09", "end": "02:56:11", "text": "know, just such a generous"}, {"start": "02:56:10", "end": "02:56:14", "text": ">> He is, man."}, {"start": "02:56:11", "end": "02:56:15", "text": ">> Soul. He's the kindest person I know."}, {"start": "02:56:14", "end": "02:56:17", "text": "and he's he's got just the heart of a"}, {"start": "02:56:15", "end": "02:56:20", "text": "saint and he's really"}, {"start": "02:56:17", "end": "02:56:23", "text": ">> truly"}, {"start": "02:56:20", "end": "02:56:25", "text": ">> in it for selfless reasons and to help"}, {"start": "02:56:23", "end": "02:56:29", "text": "uplift the world into this new sort of"}, {"start": "02:56:25", "end": "02:56:31", "text": "era and we need soldiers like him on our"}, {"start": "02:56:29", "end": "02:56:33", "text": "side. We need more of them. There are"}, {"start": "02:56:31", "end": "02:56:36", "text": "too few of that that man"}, {"start": "02:56:33", "end": "02:56:38", "text": ">> and uh he is offered to after hearing"}, {"start": "02:56:36", "end": "02:56:39", "text": "your story take you to Egypt to fly you"}, {"start": "02:56:38", "end": "02:56:40", "text": "out"}, {"start": "02:56:39", "end": "02:56:42", "text": ">> my mind and that's where his family's"}, {"start": "02:56:40", "end": "02:56:43", "text": "from. He's got a wild history with"}, {"start": "02:56:42", "end": "02:56:45", "text": "Egypt."}, {"start": "02:56:43", "end": "02:56:47", "text": ">> I can't wait to I can't wait to meet"}, {"start": "02:56:45", "end": "02:56:47", "text": ">> Did you see him skydive over the uh over"}, {"start": "02:56:47", "end": "02:56:50", "text": "the"}, {"start": "02:56:47", "end": "02:56:51", "text": ">> pyramids? Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "02:56:50", "end": "02:56:52", "text": ">> Um Yeah."}, {"start": "02:56:51", "end": "02:56:54", "text": ">> That's That's Coahonies, man. Because"}, {"start": "02:56:52", "end": "02:56:58", "text": "you probably got in trouble for that."}, {"start": "02:56:54", "end": "02:56:59", "text": ">> I'm I'm kind of sad that I'm not going"}, {"start": "02:56:58", "end": "02:57:01", "text": "because I wanted to go and I'd spoken to"}, {"start": "02:56:59", "end": "02:57:02", "text": "Amar about going. I spoken to you about"}, {"start": "02:57:01", "end": "02:57:04", "text": "going as well."}, {"start": "02:57:02", "end": "02:57:05", "text": ">> Um I'll be on tour at that moment. But"}, {"start": "02:57:04", "end": "02:57:07", "text": "you know, if anything happens and the"}, {"start": "02:57:05", "end": "02:57:09", "text": "tour doesn't happen or what for whatever"}, {"start": "02:57:07", "end": "02:57:11", "text": "reason, I'm there."}, {"start": "02:57:09", "end": "02:57:13", "text": ">> Man, that would be wonderful. I'm 100%"}, {"start": "02:57:11", "end": "02:57:16", "text": "there. Um"}, {"start": "02:57:13", "end": "02:57:18", "text": ">> I I if not just to witness your"}, {"start": "02:57:16", "end": "02:57:19", "text": "relationship with Egypt because I know"}, {"start": "02:57:18", "end": "02:57:22", "text": "that"}, {"start": "02:57:19", "end": "02:57:26", "text": ">> you know you speak about it and it's"}, {"start": "02:57:22", "end": "02:57:28", "text": "it's you know it's hard to"}, {"start": "02:57:26", "end": "02:57:29", "text": "it's hard to talk about these things."}, {"start": "02:57:28", "end": "02:57:32", "text": "It's hard enough to talk about these"}, {"start": "02:57:29", "end": "02:57:36", "text": "things. You know, I get your reluctance"}, {"start": "02:57:32", "end": "02:57:39", "text": "in not wanting to, you know, go fullon"}, {"start": "02:57:36", "end": "02:57:41", "text": "into all of these conspiracies or what"}, {"start": "02:57:39", "end": "02:57:42", "text": "cuz you have to keep some reality."}, {"start": "02:57:41", "end": "02:57:43", "text": ">> Yeah, you have to"}, {"start": "02:57:42", "end": "02:57:45", "text": ">> cuz cuz otherwise your story is just"}, {"start": "02:57:43", "end": "02:57:47", "text": "going to get confabulated and get"}, {"start": "02:57:45", "end": "02:57:48", "text": "twisted and so you got to you got to"}, {"start": "02:57:47", "end": "02:57:49", "text": "stay grounded. But"}, {"start": "02:57:48", "end": "02:57:52", "text": ">> you got to stay on course, man. Just"}, {"start": "02:57:49", "end": "02:57:52", "text": "keep your ship on course. Let the rest"}, {"start": "02:57:52", "end": "02:57:56", "text": "do what they will."}, {"start": "02:57:52", "end": "02:57:58", "text": ">> But I want to see the kid inside you."}, {"start": "02:57:56", "end": "02:57:59", "text": ">> I want to see that. I want to see you"}, {"start": "02:57:58", "end": "02:58:02", "text": "light up when you see Egypt. So"}, {"start": "02:57:59", "end": "02:58:05", "text": "hopefully Amar is able to capture that."}, {"start": "02:58:02", "end": "02:58:08", "text": ">> My god, I don't I and I, you know, he"}, {"start": "02:58:05", "end": "02:58:10", "text": "said he had to have um"}, {"start": "02:58:08", "end": "02:58:12", "text": "camera equipment. You had to have like a"}, {"start": "02:58:10", "end": "02:58:15", "text": "uh 90day"}, {"start": "02:58:12", "end": "02:58:16", "text": "pass or or some kind of prerequisite or"}, {"start": "02:58:15", "end": "02:58:17", "text": "you had to fill out paperwork before you"}, {"start": "02:58:16", "end": "02:58:19", "text": "could even go there to film."}, {"start": "02:58:17", "end": "02:58:20", "text": ">> Oh, it's extremely strict."}, {"start": "02:58:19", "end": "02:58:22", "text": ">> I had no idea."}, {"start": "02:58:20", "end": "02:58:24", "text": ">> There's also the museum."}, {"start": "02:58:22", "end": "02:58:26", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to museum."}, {"start": "02:58:24", "end": "02:58:28", "text": ">> Oh my gosh, it looks so amazing."}, {"start": "02:58:26", "end": "02:58:30", "text": ">> I did get to see Tuten Common in Denver,"}, {"start": "02:58:28", "end": "02:58:31", "text": "Colorado. Yeah, I saw the whole display"}, {"start": "02:58:30", "end": "02:58:32", "text": "in in uh Denver."}, {"start": "02:58:31", "end": "02:58:34", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "02:58:32", "end": "02:58:36", "text": ">> Years ago. Yeah. And that was I could"}, {"start": "02:58:34", "end": "02:58:38", "text": "have spent 10 days there."}, {"start": "02:58:36", "end": "02:58:40", "text": ">> I'm telling you there is something"}, {"start": "02:58:38", "end": "02:58:43", "text": "there's something alive there that we"}, {"start": "02:58:40", "end": "02:58:44", "text": "have. Whether it's alive meaning, you"}, {"start": "02:58:43", "end": "02:58:46", "text": "know, living today or not, but there is"}, {"start": "02:58:44", "end": "02:58:48", "text": "something that and you've made drawings"}, {"start": "02:58:46", "end": "02:58:50", "text": "and had"}, {"start": "02:58:48", "end": "02:58:52", "text": "views of that too. What's underground"}, {"start": "02:58:50", "end": "02:58:53", "text": "there? Always knew there was something"}, {"start": "02:58:52", "end": "02:58:56", "text": "underground. And I didn't know because I"}, {"start": "02:58:53", "end": "02:59:00", "text": "never been there. But somebody I've been"}, {"start": "02:58:56", "end": "02:59:01", "text": "listening to is Jeff Jeffrey Drummond."}, {"start": "02:59:00", "end": "02:59:01", "text": ">> Jeffrey Drummond."}, {"start": "02:59:01", "end": "02:59:03", "text": ">> Not familiar."}, {"start": "02:59:01", "end": "02:59:05", "text": ">> He uh"}, {"start": "02:59:03", "end": "02:59:07", "text": "he's an investigator there and he I"}, {"start": "02:59:05", "end": "02:59:12", "text": "guess he's some type of a a scientist"}, {"start": "02:59:07", "end": "02:59:14", "text": "that uh he's he's put together uh an"}, {"start": "02:59:12", "end": "02:59:18", "text": "entire"}, {"start": "02:59:14", "end": "02:59:19", "text": "uh sequence that all three pyramids"}, {"start": "02:59:18", "end": "02:59:22", "text": "performed and function to create"}, {"start": "02:59:19", "end": "02:59:25", "text": "lightning. And that in turn created"}, {"start": "02:59:22", "end": "02:59:27", "text": "lightning storms and energies and kept"}, {"start": "02:59:25", "end": "02:59:29", "text": "the Sahara green from what I understand"}, {"start": "02:59:27", "end": "02:59:31", "text": "from what I've what I've listened to."}, {"start": "02:59:29", "end": "02:59:33", "text": "But he's found piping. He's found all"}, {"start": "02:59:31", "end": "02:59:35", "text": "kinds of stuff and does a really good"}, {"start": "02:59:33", "end": "02:59:38", "text": "job at uh explaining that stuff."}, {"start": "02:59:35", "end": "02:59:41", "text": ">> It's incredible. It's it's a place with"}, {"start": "02:59:38", "end": "02:59:43", "text": "such mystery and it draws so many people"}, {"start": "02:59:41", "end": "02:59:46", "text": "to it. Not only the people of Egypt but"}, {"start": "02:59:43", "end": "02:59:47", "text": "the people around the world are drawn"}, {"start": "02:59:46", "end": "02:59:49", "text": ">> you know and there are plenty of"}, {"start": "02:59:47", "end": "02:59:51", "text": "megalithic impossible structures around"}, {"start": "02:59:49", "end": "02:59:53", "text": "the world by the way you know whether"}, {"start": "02:59:51", "end": "02:59:55", "text": "it's Balbeck or all these other places"}, {"start": "02:59:53", "end": "02:59:57", "text": "but something about the pyramid draws"}, {"start": "02:59:55", "end": "03:00:00", "text": "people towards them"}, {"start": "02:59:57", "end": "03:00:02", "text": ">> and there definitely is more than meets"}, {"start": "03:00:00", "end": "03:00:03", "text": "the eye I like the"}, {"start": "03:00:02", "end": "03:00:05", "text": ">> I like the idea a friend of mine George"}, {"start": "03:00:03", "end": "03:00:08", "text": "St. here UFC fighter."}, {"start": "03:00:05", "end": "03:00:10", "text": ">> He's extremely invested in paleontology"}, {"start": "03:00:08", "end": "03:00:11", "text": "and ancient archaeology in the ancient"}, {"start": "03:00:10", "end": "03:00:13", "text": "astronaut theories"}, {"start": "03:00:11", "end": "03:00:14", "text": ">> and he went there and because you know"}, {"start": "03:00:13", "end": "03:00:15", "text": "he's"}, {"start": "03:00:14", "end": "03:00:16", "text": ">> pretty big celebrity."}, {"start": "03:00:15", "end": "03:00:18", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:00:16", "end": "03:00:20", "text": ">> He got this personal tour of the king's"}, {"start": "03:00:18", "end": "03:00:22", "text": "chamber and they you know guys with guns"}, {"start": "03:00:20", "end": "03:00:24", "text": "and everything and they blocked off the"}, {"start": "03:00:22", "end": "03:00:25", "text": "door for him and they put him in the"}, {"start": "03:00:24", "end": "03:00:28", "text": ">> sarcophagus"}, {"start": "03:00:25", "end": "03:00:30", "text": ">> whatever that is over. Yeah. And the guy"}, {"start": "03:00:28", "end": "03:00:32", "text": "stood in the corner of the room and just"}, {"start": "03:00:30", "end": "03:00:33", "text": "started humming like like this type of"}, {"start": "03:00:32", "end": "03:00:35", "text": "deal. And he goes,"}, {"start": "03:00:33", "end": "03:00:37", "text": ">> \"I have never felt that type of"}, {"start": "03:00:35", "end": "03:00:40", "text": "vibration.\" And it wasn't loud. It was"}, {"start": "03:00:37", "end": "03:00:41", "text": "just your body was thring like a tuning"}, {"start": "03:00:40", "end": "03:00:41", "text": "fork. And"}, {"start": "03:00:41", "end": "03:00:43", "text": ">> absolutely."}, {"start": "03:00:41", "end": "03:00:46", "text": ">> And for someone who's left his body,"}, {"start": "03:00:43", "end": "03:00:50", "text": ">> I know what that feels like. Like that's"}, {"start": "03:00:46", "end": "03:00:50", "text": "the feeling of having I want I want Oh"}, {"start": "03:00:50", "end": "03:00:52", "text": "my gosh."}, {"start": "03:00:50", "end": "03:00:54", "text": ">> I'm going to do it."}, {"start": "03:00:52", "end": "03:00:56", "text": ">> I'd like to take a tuning fork. I've got"}, {"start": "03:00:54", "end": "03:00:57", "text": "a couple of tuning. I'd like to bang on,"}, {"start": "03:00:56", "end": "03:00:58", "text": ">> do some experiments, see what they do."}, {"start": "03:00:57", "end": "03:00:59", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "03:00:58", "end": "03:01:00", "text": ">> Well, if you ever leave your body, come"}, {"start": "03:00:59", "end": "03:01:01", "text": "say hi."}, {"start": "03:01:00", "end": "03:01:02", "text": ">> I will."}, {"start": "03:01:01", "end": "03:01:03", "text": ">> You come say hi and be like, \"What are"}, {"start": "03:01:02", "end": "03:01:04", "text": "you doing?\""}, {"start": "03:01:03", "end": "03:01:05", "text": ">> I don't know if I'd come back. You know"}, {"start": "03:01:04", "end": "03:01:07", "text": "what I mean? If I, you know, depending"}, {"start": "03:01:05", "end": "03:01:09", "text": "on where you go, I guess. I don't know"}, {"start": "03:01:07", "end": "03:01:12", "text": "if I'd come back. But"}, {"start": "03:01:09", "end": "03:01:14", "text": ">> do you think there is a relationship"}, {"start": "03:01:12", "end": "03:01:15", "text": "between the beings that you saw in"}, {"start": "03:01:14", "end": "03:01:16", "text": "Egypt?"}, {"start": "03:01:15", "end": "03:01:18", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:01:16", "end": "03:01:20", "text": ">> You think that that is them?"}, {"start": "03:01:18", "end": "03:01:22", "text": ">> I don't know if it's them exactly, but"}, {"start": "03:01:20", "end": "03:01:23", "text": "they know of that technology. And in my"}, {"start": "03:01:22", "end": "03:01:25", "text": "opinion"}, {"start": "03:01:23", "end": "03:01:29", "text": ">> and uh"}, {"start": "03:01:25", "end": "03:01:29", "text": "they know its true function"}, {"start": "03:01:30", "end": "03:01:34", "text": ">> or functions I should say there's an"}, {"start": "03:01:33", "end": "03:01:36", "text": "interesting also an interesting"}, {"start": "03:01:34", "end": "03:01:38", "text": "correlation. There are a few interesting"}, {"start": "03:01:36", "end": "03:01:41", "text": "correlations obviously you know the"}, {"start": "03:01:38", "end": "03:01:44", "text": "smell you know we didn't really uh touch"}, {"start": "03:01:41", "end": "03:01:47", "text": "on but like you know since you've"}, {"start": "03:01:44", "end": "03:01:49", "text": "probably come across a lot of similar"}, {"start": "03:01:47", "end": "03:01:51", "text": "cases that have said the same thing with"}, {"start": "03:01:49", "end": "03:01:51", "text": "the ammonia sulfur smell."}, {"start": "03:01:51", "end": "03:01:53", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:01:51", "end": "03:01:55", "text": ">> For instance I'm reminded I think the"}, {"start": "03:01:53", "end": "03:01:57", "text": "most famous case of which other than"}, {"start": "03:01:55", "end": "03:01:59", "text": "Whitley Strieber because he also had"}, {"start": "03:01:57", "end": "03:02:01", "text": "like burnt hair cardboard smell like"}, {"start": "03:01:59", "end": "03:02:03", "text": "this putrid sort of scent"}, {"start": "03:02:01", "end": "03:02:04", "text": ">> but James Fox's documentaries in"}, {"start": "03:02:03", "end": "03:02:06", "text": "Virginia."}, {"start": "03:02:04", "end": "03:02:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. with these beings."}, {"start": "03:02:06", "end": "03:02:11", "text": ">> What was that like hearing about that?"}, {"start": "03:02:08", "end": "03:02:11", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "03:02:11", "end": "03:02:15", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "03:02:13", "end": "03:02:17", "text": "that was Brazil, right? That Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:02:15", "end": "03:02:19", "text": "that's Brazil. I I just"}, {"start": "03:02:17", "end": "03:02:21", "text": ">> The whole town stunk up."}, {"start": "03:02:19", "end": "03:02:22", "text": ">> Yeah, it it And they were seen. I mean,"}, {"start": "03:02:21", "end": "03:02:24", "text": "that's the thing about it. They were"}, {"start": "03:02:22", "end": "03:02:28", "text": "seen. How do they How do they hush that"}, {"start": "03:02:24", "end": "03:02:30", "text": "up so quickly? How How is that just put"}, {"start": "03:02:28", "end": "03:02:32", "text": "under wraps so quickly? How can the"}, {"start": "03:02:30", "end": "03:02:35", "text": "government or anybody else move on that?"}, {"start": "03:02:32", "end": "03:02:35", "text": "because many people saw"}, {"start": "03:02:35", "end": "03:02:38", "text": ">> hundreds"}, {"start": "03:02:35", "end": "03:02:41", "text": ">> of these be I mean yeah saw them and"}, {"start": "03:02:38", "end": "03:02:43", "text": "how's that stopped how can it be our"}, {"start": "03:02:41", "end": "03:02:45", "text": "cell phones collected our cameras"}, {"start": "03:02:43", "end": "03:02:48", "text": "collected they search homes how did they"}, {"start": "03:02:45", "end": "03:02:49", "text": "slow that down but it brings me back"}, {"start": "03:02:48", "end": "03:02:53", "text": "honestly"}, {"start": "03:02:49", "end": "03:02:56", "text": ">> to 1961 when everybody saw those three"}, {"start": "03:02:53", "end": "03:02:59", "text": "craft above that those church steeples"}, {"start": "03:02:56", "end": "03:03:01", "text": "at DQeen Elementary and nobody talked"}, {"start": "03:02:59", "end": "03:03:03", "text": "about it like it was like forgotten"}, {"start": "03:03:01", "end": "03:03:05", "text": "about seeing as they gone. It's all"}, {"start": "03:03:03", "end": "03:03:08", "text": "over. There was nothing else to talk"}, {"start": "03:03:05", "end": "03:03:10", "text": "about all day, the rest of the week. My"}, {"start": "03:03:08", "end": "03:03:14", "text": "mother didn't even really mention it any"}, {"start": "03:03:10", "end": "03:03:17", "text": "any further. How's that happen? It's a"}, {"start": "03:03:14", "end": "03:03:18", "text": "good question. It's a great question. I"}, {"start": "03:03:17", "end": "03:03:19", "text": "I'd love to know."}, {"start": "03:03:18", "end": "03:03:21", "text": ">> How's that happen? I think about it all"}, {"start": "03:03:19", "end": "03:03:23", "text": "the time. I think why wasn't that talked"}, {"start": "03:03:21", "end": "03:03:24", "text": "about all day long. Well, where's the"}, {"start": "03:03:23", "end": "03:03:26", "text": "newspaper clippings? Cuz you know,"}, {"start": "03:03:24", "end": "03:03:28", "text": "people always read the newspapers back"}, {"start": "03:03:26", "end": "03:03:29", "text": "in the 60s. You know, there wasn't the"}, {"start": "03:03:28", "end": "03:03:31", "text": "news like we have today. And what news"}, {"start": "03:03:29", "end": "03:03:33", "text": "there was, it was pretty real news. you"}, {"start": "03:03:31", "end": "03:03:35", "text": "know, you had Walter Kronite, all the"}, {"start": "03:03:33", "end": "03:03:37", "text": "rest of them, you know, but"}, {"start": "03:03:35", "end": "03:03:40", "text": ">> you would have had to, it's either one"}, {"start": "03:03:37", "end": "03:03:42", "text": "of two options. It's either somehow the"}, {"start": "03:03:40", "end": "03:03:43", "text": "beings or the technology is responsible"}, {"start": "03:03:42", "end": "03:03:46", "text": "for that in within that bubble or"}, {"start": "03:03:43", "end": "03:03:49", "text": "whatever that is, or there's a"}, {"start": "03:03:46", "end": "03:03:51", "text": "psychological factor that just happens"}, {"start": "03:03:49", "end": "03:03:51", "text": "when you're faced with something so"}, {"start": "03:03:51", "end": "03:03:53", "text": "foreign."}, {"start": "03:03:51", "end": "03:03:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, you know, I'm reminded of"}, {"start": "03:03:53", "end": "03:03:57", "text": "James Fox once again out of the blue"}, {"start": "03:03:55", "end": "03:03:58", "text": "where he had the Phoenix the Phoenix"}, {"start": "03:03:57", "end": "03:04:00", "text": "lights, right?"}, {"start": "03:03:58", "end": "03:04:04", "text": ">> Sort of fly over this town and there's"}, {"start": "03:04:00", "end": "03:04:06", "text": "this story of these ladies having tea"}, {"start": "03:04:04", "end": "03:04:08", "text": "and they're just having tea and all of a"}, {"start": "03:04:06", "end": "03:04:10", "text": "sudden they're looking at this craft fly"}, {"start": "03:04:08", "end": "03:04:10", "text": "over this massive craft."}, {"start": "03:04:10", "end": "03:04:13", "text": ">> Yeah, it's huge."}, {"start": "03:04:10", "end": "03:04:16", "text": ">> Going right over them so slowly. And"}, {"start": "03:04:13", "end": "03:04:18", "text": "they all just silently watch it go by"}, {"start": "03:04:16", "end": "03:04:19", "text": "and the second it's out of view, they go"}, {"start": "03:04:18", "end": "03:04:20", "text": "right back to drinking tea."}, {"start": "03:04:19", "end": "03:04:21", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "03:04:20", "end": "03:04:23", "text": ">> And you go, \"What? How did that happen?"}, {"start": "03:04:21", "end": "03:04:26", "text": ">> What do you mean? How would you not"}, {"start": "03:04:23", "end": "03:04:27", "text": "scream, run, and the truth is"}, {"start": "03:04:26", "end": "03:04:28", "text": ">> grab a camera, take off in a car after"}, {"start": "03:04:27", "end": "03:04:30", "text": "it? Yeah,"}, {"start": "03:04:28", "end": "03:04:32", "text": ">> there's a there's I'm reminded of a"}, {"start": "03:04:30", "end": "03:04:33", "text": "movie. I forget what the movie is, but"}, {"start": "03:04:32", "end": "03:04:34", "text": "there's this one really shocking scene"}, {"start": "03:04:33", "end": "03:04:36", "text": "where there's this elderly couple."}, {"start": "03:04:34", "end": "03:04:38", "text": "They're sitting in their backyard and"}, {"start": "03:04:36", "end": "03:04:42", "text": "behind them, the camera's facing them."}, {"start": "03:04:38", "end": "03:04:43", "text": "Behind them, you see a like Boeing 747"}, {"start": "03:04:42", "end": "03:04:45", "text": "or something coming towards them. Very"}, {"start": "03:04:43", "end": "03:04:46", "text": "small, but it starts getting bigger and"}, {"start": "03:04:45", "end": "03:04:48", "text": "bigger and bigger. And eventually, when"}, {"start": "03:04:46", "end": "03:04:50", "text": "it's like kind of like maybe that big in"}, {"start": "03:04:48", "end": "03:04:52", "text": "the sky, big enough to be like, \"What's"}, {"start": "03:04:50", "end": "03:04:54", "text": "going on?\" They get up and they both and"}, {"start": "03:04:52", "end": "03:04:56", "text": "you see them both looking at this object"}, {"start": "03:04:54", "end": "03:04:58", "text": "getting bigger and bigger as it gets"}, {"start": "03:04:56", "end": "03:05:00", "text": "close to them and they're just staring"}, {"start": "03:04:58", "end": "03:05:02", "text": "at it in disbelief thinking, \"What's"}, {"start": "03:05:00", "end": "03:05:06", "text": "going on?\" Like, \"What is that thing?\""}, {"start": "03:05:02", "end": "03:05:08", "text": "And not until it was too late did they"}, {"start": "03:05:06", "end": "03:05:08", "text": "go and start moving away and then they"}, {"start": "03:05:08", "end": "03:05:09", "text": "got hit."}, {"start": "03:05:08", "end": "03:05:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:05:09", "end": "03:05:12", "text": ">> It was like they were frozen watching"}, {"start": "03:05:11", "end": "03:05:15", "text": "it. And I said to myself, you know,"}, {"start": "03:05:12", "end": "03:05:18", "text": "that's probably how it would really"}, {"start": "03:05:15", "end": "03:05:19", "text": "happen. You wouldn't run and scream and"}, {"start": "03:05:18", "end": "03:05:21", "text": "wake up your neighbors and be like, \"We"}, {"start": "03:05:19", "end": "03:05:22", "text": "got to go. The plane's going to crash.\""}, {"start": "03:05:21", "end": "03:05:23", "text": "You would stare at it until it hit you"}, {"start": "03:05:22", "end": "03:05:24", "text": "right in the face."}, {"start": "03:05:23", "end": "03:05:25", "text": ">> You really Yeah."}, {"start": "03:05:24", "end": "03:05:26", "text": ">> Cuz you're wondering, \"What the hell am"}, {"start": "03:05:25", "end": "03:05:28", "text": "I looking at?\""}, {"start": "03:05:26", "end": "03:05:29", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "03:05:28", "end": "03:05:30", "text": ">> I think what you're looking at is when"}, {"start": "03:05:29", "end": "03:05:30", "text": "you realize what you're seeing."}, {"start": "03:05:30", "end": "03:05:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:05:30", "end": "03:05:34", "text": ">> And I don't want to put that on a damn"}, {"start": "03:05:32", "end": "03:05:34", "text": "t-shirt because that that's"}, {"start": "03:05:34", "end": "03:05:37", "text": ">> that moment."}, {"start": "03:05:34", "end": "03:05:41", "text": ">> That moment in time for me. it. As I"}, {"start": "03:05:37", "end": "03:05:41", "text": "said, it it really wasn't"}, {"start": "03:05:44", "end": "03:05:49", "text": "when I realized what I was looking at is"}, {"start": "03:05:46", "end": "03:05:54", "text": "when I really just went"}, {"start": "03:05:49", "end": "03:05:58", "text": "really large. What a craft. Craft. And"}, {"start": "03:05:54", "end": "03:05:58", "text": "what's describe the craft"}, {"start": "03:05:59", "end": "03:06:02", "text": "is the sphere."}, {"start": "03:06:01", "end": "03:06:05", "text": ">> And when you realize, was that"}, {"start": "03:06:02", "end": "03:06:06", "text": "realization? Oh my god. Aliens."}, {"start": "03:06:05", "end": "03:06:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Was that the realization?"}, {"start": "03:06:06", "end": "03:06:11", "text": ">> Other beings. And then"}, {"start": "03:06:08", "end": "03:06:14", "text": ">> Yeah, just"}, {"start": "03:06:11", "end": "03:06:16", "text": "beings from elsewhere. Just"}, {"start": "03:06:14", "end": "03:06:18", "text": "beings. I I really didn't call them"}, {"start": "03:06:16", "end": "03:06:20", "text": "aliens. I just I just call them"}, {"start": "03:06:18", "end": "03:06:24", "text": ">> other people. Yeah, other people. Other"}, {"start": "03:06:20", "end": "03:06:24", "text": "beings is what I thought."}, {"start": "03:06:24", "end": "03:06:28", "text": ">> Afraid to leave the vehicle. I should"}, {"start": "03:06:26", "end": "03:06:30", "text": "have just stepped down."}, {"start": "03:06:28", "end": "03:06:33", "text": "I'm scared."}, {"start": "03:06:30", "end": "03:06:35", "text": ">> Okay, you're safe now, Mario. We're just"}, {"start": "03:06:33", "end": "03:06:38", "text": "looking at a movie. I mean that must be"}, {"start": "03:06:35", "end": "03:06:40", "text": "such a eyeopening experience of like oh"}, {"start": "03:06:38", "end": "03:06:42", "text": "my god it's all true. Oh my god"}, {"start": "03:06:40", "end": "03:06:45", "text": "everything is true. It's all true. They"}, {"start": "03:06:42", "end": "03:06:48", "text": "exist. They're here."}, {"start": "03:06:45", "end": "03:06:50", "text": "You know it's"}, {"start": "03:06:48", "end": "03:06:52", "text": "that approach from where they were and"}, {"start": "03:06:50", "end": "03:06:53", "text": "how they got they never they weren't"}, {"start": "03:06:52", "end": "03:06:55", "text": "touching the ground, man. They were just"}, {"start": "03:06:53", "end": "03:06:57", "text": "gliding. They weren't on the ground."}, {"start": "03:06:55", "end": "03:06:59", "text": "They were just all there was no heads"}, {"start": "03:06:57", "end": "03:07:01", "text": "going up and down as you see. you know,"}, {"start": "03:06:59", "end": "03:07:03", "text": "you"}, {"start": "03:07:01", "end": "03:07:05", "text": "it was no it was no bobbing and weaving"}, {"start": "03:07:03", "end": "03:07:07", "text": "like you'd have in a line formation of"}, {"start": "03:07:05", "end": "03:07:10", "text": "soldiers marching. It was just straight"}, {"start": "03:07:07", "end": "03:07:12", "text": "on. Just straight on. Just"}, {"start": "03:07:10", "end": "03:07:14", "text": "the and the tall one, you know, he had"}, {"start": "03:07:12", "end": "03:07:17", "text": "he had this thing on his chest that was"}, {"start": "03:07:14", "end": "03:07:18", "text": "the same color as this um as that"}, {"start": "03:07:17", "end": "03:07:19", "text": ">> the wand"}, {"start": "03:07:18", "end": "03:07:21", "text": ">> wand that was in that one's"}, {"start": "03:07:19", "end": "03:07:23", "text": ">> What color was that wand?"}, {"start": "03:07:21", "end": "03:07:25", "text": ">> The tip of it was like a like a yellow"}, {"start": "03:07:23", "end": "03:07:26", "text": "like a bright orange yellow."}, {"start": "03:07:25", "end": "03:07:28", "text": ">> And the rest of it"}, {"start": "03:07:26", "end": "03:07:30", "text": ">> uh I couldn't see the rest. It wasn't"}, {"start": "03:07:28", "end": "03:07:32", "text": "lit. It was just that that piece was lit"}, {"start": "03:07:30", "end": "03:07:34", "text": "up on the end of it."}, {"start": "03:07:32", "end": "03:07:36", "text": ">> And then but his chest,"}, {"start": "03:07:34", "end": "03:07:38", "text": ">> it that thing on his chest was lit up"}, {"start": "03:07:36", "end": "03:07:41", "text": "and it was a good size. It wasn't just a"}, {"start": "03:07:38", "end": "03:07:43", "text": "little thing. It was like that size on"}, {"start": "03:07:41", "end": "03:07:45", "text": "this on his chest. And it was the same"}, {"start": "03:07:43", "end": "03:07:46", "text": "color as that as that thing."}, {"start": "03:07:45", "end": "03:07:49", "text": ">> Was it circular?"}, {"start": "03:07:46", "end": "03:07:52", "text": ">> No, it was shaped like a like a I guess"}, {"start": "03:07:49", "end": "03:07:54", "text": "like an octagon, like a stop sign. Okay."}, {"start": "03:07:52", "end": "03:07:56", "text": ">> Similar to that. And maybe not the exact"}, {"start": "03:07:54", "end": "03:08:00", "text": "same, but it was twisted in kind of that"}, {"start": "03:07:56", "end": "03:08:00", "text": "way. And then the"}, {"start": "03:08:01", "end": "03:08:06", "text": "their heads were down here"}, {"start": "03:08:03", "end": "03:08:11", "text": "and he was this much taller than they"}, {"start": "03:08:06", "end": "03:08:13", "text": "were. So he was 2 feet or so taller than"}, {"start": "03:08:11", "end": "03:08:15", "text": "than the smaller than the smaller ones."}, {"start": "03:08:13", "end": "03:08:18", "text": "And they weren't gray gray. They had"}, {"start": "03:08:15", "end": "03:08:21", "text": "like a purplish"}, {"start": "03:08:18", "end": "03:08:23", "text": "tint to them in some way. their head and"}, {"start": "03:08:21", "end": "03:08:28", "text": "their their head their what I could see"}, {"start": "03:08:23", "end": "03:08:31", "text": "is flesh or whatever the outer"}, {"start": "03:08:28", "end": "03:08:33", "text": "color of their body is. It wasn't wasn't"}, {"start": "03:08:31", "end": "03:08:35", "text": "gray. It was a Oh, this color is not"}, {"start": "03:08:33", "end": "03:08:36", "text": "that far off. And I'm color blind now,"}, {"start": "03:08:35", "end": "03:08:40", "text": "so just help me out here. But"}, {"start": "03:08:36", "end": "03:08:42", "text": ">> is it because of Did their skin look"}, {"start": "03:08:40", "end": "03:08:42", "text": "like it was thin?"}, {"start": "03:08:42", "end": "03:08:44", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "03:08:42", "end": "03:08:46", "text": ">> And like bruised almost?"}, {"start": "03:08:44", "end": "03:08:47", "text": ">> No, just just real thin."}, {"start": "03:08:46", "end": "03:08:48", "text": ">> Like you could almost see the veins"}, {"start": "03:08:47", "end": "03:08:50", "text": "through their"}, {"start": "03:08:48", "end": "03:08:51", "text": ">> Yeah. or see anything through it."}, {"start": "03:08:50", "end": "03:08:53", "text": ">> And that's why it might have been sort"}, {"start": "03:08:51", "end": "03:08:54", "text": "of blue colored almost like"}, {"start": "03:08:53", "end": "03:08:56", "text": ">> possibly"}, {"start": "03:08:54", "end": "03:08:59", "text": "possibly they they they were just real"}, {"start": "03:08:56", "end": "03:09:01", "text": "different colored. And the tall one was"}, {"start": "03:08:59", "end": "03:09:02", "text": "a he was a gray color, a gray silver"}, {"start": "03:09:01", "end": "03:09:04", "text": "color and"}, {"start": "03:09:02", "end": "03:09:06", "text": ">> like a solid gray."}, {"start": "03:09:04", "end": "03:09:08", "text": ">> Yeah. And his the facial structure was a"}, {"start": "03:09:06", "end": "03:09:09", "text": "whole lot different. Much pointier chin."}, {"start": "03:09:08", "end": "03:09:11", "text": ">> Longer. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:09:09", "end": "03:09:13", "text": ">> Yeah. And the eyes were like set a"}, {"start": "03:09:11", "end": "03:09:15", "text": "little bit higher, but not not"}, {"start": "03:09:13", "end": "03:09:18", "text": "traditional almond shaped eyes. They"}, {"start": "03:09:15", "end": "03:09:20", "text": "were just different. They weren't as"}, {"start": "03:09:18", "end": "03:09:22", "text": "they weren't long this way. They were"}, {"start": "03:09:20", "end": "03:09:23", "text": "just an almond shape, but they weren't"}, {"start": "03:09:22", "end": "03:09:25", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "03:09:23", "end": "03:09:28", "text": ">> taller like up facing upwards."}, {"start": "03:09:25", "end": "03:09:30", "text": ">> Yeah, they"}, {"start": "03:09:28", "end": "03:09:32", "text": "they weren't they weren't like they"}, {"start": "03:09:30", "end": "03:09:36", "text": "weren't like that right there. They were"}, {"start": "03:09:32", "end": "03:09:39", "text": "just they were smaller smaller eyes with"}, {"start": "03:09:36", "end": "03:09:40", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "03:09:39", "end": "03:09:42", "text": "not that angular shape on them at the"}, {"start": "03:09:40", "end": "03:09:44", "text": "end like this. They were they were more"}, {"start": "03:09:42", "end": "03:09:46", "text": "rounded that way, but still had a little"}, {"start": "03:09:44", "end": "03:09:47", "text": "shape to them, but it was just"}, {"start": "03:09:46", "end": "03:09:48", "text": "different."}, {"start": "03:09:47", "end": "03:09:50", "text": ">> But I didn't I wasn't worried about him."}, {"start": "03:09:48", "end": "03:09:52", "text": "I was worried about that the little one."}, {"start": "03:09:50", "end": "03:09:53", "text": "It's just I was told to look at that"}, {"start": "03:09:52", "end": "03:09:55", "text": "one."}, {"start": "03:09:53", "end": "03:09:56", "text": ">> I was told to look at that. Look at"}, {"start": "03:09:55", "end": "03:09:57", "text": "that. Look at that. Look at that."}, {"start": "03:09:56", "end": "03:09:58", "text": ">> You were told to."}, {"start": "03:09:57", "end": "03:10:00", "text": ">> That's what I feel. I don't I don't"}, {"start": "03:09:58", "end": "03:10:02", "text": "remember any words. All I remember is do"}, {"start": "03:10:00", "end": "03:10:05", "text": "not fear. Do not fear. But I kept"}, {"start": "03:10:02", "end": "03:10:08", "text": "looking at that. And then and you know I"}, {"start": "03:10:05", "end": "03:10:09", "text": "pull up behind a car today in a vehicle"}, {"start": "03:10:08", "end": "03:10:12", "text": "in my vehicle or something or on my"}, {"start": "03:10:09", "end": "03:10:13", "text": "motorcycle and"}, {"start": "03:10:12", "end": "03:10:15", "text": "I just have to be real careful not to"}, {"start": "03:10:13", "end": "03:10:17", "text": "look at a light for too long because"}, {"start": "03:10:15", "end": "03:10:21", "text": "that that memory comes back to me all"}, {"start": "03:10:17", "end": "03:10:23", "text": "the time. That that image comes back to"}, {"start": "03:10:21", "end": "03:10:26", "text": "me daily."}, {"start": "03:10:23", "end": "03:10:28", "text": ">> I noticed yesterday at the restaurant"}, {"start": "03:10:26", "end": "03:10:29", "text": "it happened like there was a there was a"}, {"start": "03:10:28", "end": "03:10:32", "text": "jug of"}, {"start": "03:10:29", "end": "03:10:33", "text": ">> h was a cr Yeah. Stainless steel jug. It"}, {"start": "03:10:32", "end": "03:10:34", "text": "was a chrome. It was like polished"}, {"start": "03:10:33", "end": "03:10:36", "text": "chrome."}, {"start": "03:10:34", "end": "03:10:38", "text": ">> Yeah. And you you had to get up mid-con"}, {"start": "03:10:36", "end": "03:10:40", "text": "conversation to just turn the jug."}, {"start": "03:10:38", "end": "03:10:41", "text": ">> Yeah. It was reflecting and it was right"}, {"start": "03:10:40", "end": "03:10:44", "text": "inside of my eye. And I And I can't"}, {"start": "03:10:41", "end": "03:10:44", "text": "sleep with anything like these lights. I"}, {"start": "03:10:44", "end": "03:10:47", "text": "can't"}, {"start": "03:10:44", "end": "03:10:49", "text": ">> that has to I put I put tape over them."}, {"start": "03:10:47", "end": "03:10:50", "text": ">> It's a trigger."}, {"start": "03:10:49", "end": "03:10:51", "text": ">> Yeah. Anything like that."}, {"start": "03:10:50", "end": "03:10:54", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:10:51", "end": "03:10:56", "text": ">> Anything. And it's just so strange, you"}, {"start": "03:10:54", "end": "03:10:58", "text": "know, the the whole thing. Who would"}, {"start": "03:10:56", "end": "03:11:02", "text": "have ever thought growing up, you know,"}, {"start": "03:10:58", "end": "03:11:04", "text": "from a youngster to a to a man that"}, {"start": "03:11:02", "end": "03:11:06", "text": "you'd see something like that in your"}, {"start": "03:11:04", "end": "03:11:08", "text": "lifetime and and"}, {"start": "03:11:06", "end": "03:11:11", "text": "just have to just deal with it."}, {"start": "03:11:08", "end": "03:11:14", "text": ">> I couldn't think of a better person to"}, {"start": "03:11:11", "end": "03:11:16", "text": "to to hold this because it takes someone"}, {"start": "03:11:14", "end": "03:11:19", "text": "strong, Mario. It does take someone"}, {"start": "03:11:16", "end": "03:11:21", "text": "really strong to be able to to live with"}, {"start": "03:11:19", "end": "03:11:24", "text": "this and to talk about it. But you're"}, {"start": "03:11:21", "end": "03:11:27", "text": "also someone like I said, you're you've"}, {"start": "03:11:24", "end": "03:11:29", "text": "got such a sharp recall. You are on a"}, {"start": "03:11:27", "end": "03:11:32", "text": "program that tested you regularly for"}, {"start": "03:11:29", "end": "03:11:35", "text": "your mental faculties. You are like"}, {"start": "03:11:32", "end": "03:11:35", "text": "there is in my opinion no better person."}, {"start": "03:11:35", "end": "03:11:36", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "03:11:35", "end": "03:11:38", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:11:36", "end": "03:11:40", "text": ">> Than to than to speak about this than"}, {"start": "03:11:38", "end": "03:11:42", "text": "you. I I I I I I firm I firmly believe"}, {"start": "03:11:40", "end": "03:11:44", "text": "that there are a lot of people out there"}, {"start": "03:11:42", "end": "03:11:46", "text": "that are really credible that have their"}, {"start": "03:11:44", "end": "03:11:48", "text": "stories, but I think you provide"}, {"start": "03:11:46", "end": "03:11:51", "text": "something that no one else has provided"}, {"start": "03:11:48", "end": "03:11:54", "text": "so far. And it's the level of conscious"}, {"start": "03:11:51", "end": "03:11:56", "text": "detail plus the credible the the sort of"}, {"start": "03:11:54", "end": "03:11:57", "text": "credible background that comes that"}, {"start": "03:11:56", "end": "03:12:02", "text": "comes with it."}, {"start": "03:11:57", "end": "03:12:02", "text": ">> And for Congress to even ignore that,"}, {"start": "03:12:02", "end": "03:12:03", "text": ">> well, they won't."}, {"start": "03:12:02", "end": "03:12:04", "text": ">> I mean,"}, {"start": "03:12:03", "end": "03:12:06", "text": ">> they won't forever, but"}, {"start": "03:12:04", "end": "03:12:09", "text": ">> I I hope not. But for them to ignore it"}, {"start": "03:12:06", "end": "03:12:11", "text": "as long as they have tells me, you know,"}, {"start": "03:12:09", "end": "03:12:13", "text": "there's there's some part of that system"}, {"start": "03:12:11", "end": "03:12:14", "text": "that's acting out of bad faith."}, {"start": "03:12:13", "end": "03:12:16", "text": ">> Yeah. I called Tim Burquette's office"}, {"start": "03:12:14", "end": "03:12:17", "text": "and got some guy on the phone one day"}, {"start": "03:12:16", "end": "03:12:20", "text": "and I told him, I said, \"Look, I used to"}, {"start": "03:12:17", "end": "03:12:24", "text": "work at Y12.\" I said, \"NK25 and been to"}, {"start": "03:12:20", "end": "03:12:25", "text": "the lab plenty of times and I said, uh,"}, {"start": "03:12:24", "end": "03:12:27", "text": "Briquette had put out something about"}, {"start": "03:12:25", "end": "03:12:28", "text": "if, you know, if there was something"}, {"start": "03:12:27", "end": "03:12:30", "text": "that you needed to tell him concerning"}, {"start": "03:12:28", "end": "03:12:31", "text": "this measure, you know, to to let him"}, {"start": "03:12:30", "end": "03:12:33", "text": "know.\" And I was I was going to let him"}, {"start": "03:12:31", "end": "03:12:34", "text": "know. I mean, I know where he lives"}, {"start": "03:12:33", "end": "03:12:36", "text": "there. I think Marville's where he"}, {"start": "03:12:34", "end": "03:12:39", "text": "lives. And I lived over in Kingston or"}, {"start": "03:12:36", "end": "03:12:43", "text": "lived in Haramman actually. We did."}, {"start": "03:12:39", "end": "03:12:45", "text": "And uh I called her twice. Never heard a"}, {"start": "03:12:43", "end": "03:12:47", "text": "word back from anybody over there. And"}, {"start": "03:12:45", "end": "03:12:50", "text": "and that's okay too. You know, it really"}, {"start": "03:12:47", "end": "03:12:52", "text": "you you can't they have to come to you."}, {"start": "03:12:50", "end": "03:12:55", "text": "You can't you can't go to them. It it"}, {"start": "03:12:52", "end": "03:12:57", "text": "just seems that way. And"}, {"start": "03:12:55", "end": "03:13:00", "text": "I'm just going to I'll just let it ride"}, {"start": "03:12:57", "end": "03:13:01", "text": "until they do come. And of course that"}, {"start": "03:13:00", "end": "03:13:04", "text": "lieutenant colonel I spoke with at Arrow"}, {"start": "03:13:01", "end": "03:13:07", "text": "when he interviewed me, that was a"}, {"start": "03:13:04", "end": "03:13:10", "text": "really strange thing seemed like a real"}, {"start": "03:13:07", "end": "03:13:14", "text": "nice guy and and uh he was an army I"}, {"start": "03:13:10", "end": "03:13:16", "text": "guess army intelligence and uh"}, {"start": "03:13:14", "end": "03:13:18", "text": "he said something that uh he goes well"}, {"start": "03:13:16", "end": "03:13:20", "text": "you know he said you're one of the only"}, {"start": "03:13:18", "end": "03:13:22", "text": "ones that you were actually on duty"}, {"start": "03:13:20", "end": "03:13:25", "text": "responding to an incident when this hap"}, {"start": "03:13:22", "end": "03:13:28", "text": "to a to an alarm when this happened so"}, {"start": "03:13:25", "end": "03:13:29", "text": "it's not a story it's an incident and I"}, {"start": "03:13:28", "end": "03:13:31", "text": "said you I never thought about that, but"}, {"start": "03:13:29", "end": "03:13:32", "text": "you're right. And I said, well, who else"}, {"start": "03:13:31", "end": "03:13:34", "text": "has done it? He says, I can't think of"}, {"start": "03:13:32", "end": "03:13:37", "text": "any."}, {"start": "03:13:34", "end": "03:13:39", "text": "So, that's one thing they have to"}, {"start": "03:13:37", "end": "03:13:43", "text": "they have to separate. I mean, it"}, {"start": "03:13:39", "end": "03:13:43", "text": "actually happened on duty. And"}, {"start": "03:13:43", "end": "03:13:51", "text": "for people that that really"}, {"start": "03:13:49", "end": "03:13:52", "text": "want to know about this stuff, I just"}, {"start": "03:13:51", "end": "03:13:56", "text": "don't understand. And I one of my best"}, {"start": "03:13:52", "end": "03:13:59", "text": "buddies in the world is an F4 pilot."}, {"start": "03:13:56", "end": "03:14:01", "text": "And uh we were at Moody Air Force Base"}, {"start": "03:13:59", "end": "03:14:05", "text": "together. Even shared a house downtown"}, {"start": "03:14:01", "end": "03:14:08", "text": "in in Valdasta together for a while."}, {"start": "03:14:05", "end": "03:14:10", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "03:14:08", "end": "03:14:12", "text": "you know, pilots are super great people,"}, {"start": "03:14:10", "end": "03:14:14", "text": "man. I do anything for pilot. And I and"}, {"start": "03:14:12", "end": "03:14:16", "text": "he got me in an F4 simulator all the"}, {"start": "03:14:14", "end": "03:14:17", "text": "time. And then I I'd live my life in"}, {"start": "03:14:16", "end": "03:14:19", "text": "that simulator every time I"}, {"start": "03:14:17", "end": "03:14:22", "text": ">> You can fly. You can fly a jet."}, {"start": "03:14:19", "end": "03:14:23", "text": ">> I damn sure try or crash trying. with no"}, {"start": "03:14:22", "end": "03:14:26", "text": "guit, you know, you can't get above"}, {"start": "03:14:23", "end": "03:14:29", "text": "10,000 ft because you got to breathe."}, {"start": "03:14:26", "end": "03:14:32", "text": "And uh, of course, uh, I could never"}, {"start": "03:14:29", "end": "03:14:34", "text": "land the damn thing. So, so my thought"}, {"start": "03:14:32", "end": "03:14:36", "text": "was if, you know, if I was in a in a in"}, {"start": "03:14:34", "end": "03:14:39", "text": "something, you know, of course that was"}, {"start": "03:14:36", "end": "03:14:41", "text": "an F4, that's not an F-16, F-15, 22, or"}, {"start": "03:14:39", "end": "03:14:45", "text": "the rest of them today. I I have no idea"}, {"start": "03:14:41", "end": "03:14:46", "text": "about them, but I'd sure like to. Uh,"}, {"start": "03:14:45", "end": "03:14:48", "text": "but I always figured that if something"}, {"start": "03:14:46", "end": "03:14:50", "text": "happened and I could get to get to it,"}, {"start": "03:14:48", "end": "03:14:51", "text": "crank it up, you know, with a with a"}, {"start": "03:14:50", "end": "03:14:53", "text": "ground power unit and it had a fuel in"}, {"start": "03:14:51", "end": "03:14:57", "text": "it, at least I could take off and of"}, {"start": "03:14:53", "end": "03:14:58", "text": "course just punch out to get out of a"}, {"start": "03:14:57", "end": "03:15:00", "text": "combat area. That's, you know, cuz I"}, {"start": "03:14:58", "end": "03:15:02", "text": "guess when we when we left Vietnam,"}, {"start": "03:15:00", "end": "03:15:03", "text": "there were F4s on the tarmac and they"}, {"start": "03:15:02", "end": "03:15:05", "text": "had to blow them up, you know, and there"}, {"start": "03:15:03", "end": "03:15:06", "text": "was a lot of security policemen that"}, {"start": "03:15:05", "end": "03:15:09", "text": "actual air force security policemen that"}, {"start": "03:15:06", "end": "03:15:12", "text": "died defending the runway while pilots"}, {"start": "03:15:09", "end": "03:15:14", "text": "and and civilians got off in uh"}, {"start": "03:15:12", "end": "03:15:16", "text": "aircraft, you know, cuz when they"}, {"start": "03:15:14", "end": "03:15:18", "text": "overran the whole place, you know, but"}, {"start": "03:15:16", "end": "03:15:20", "text": "there was some"}, {"start": "03:15:18", "end": "03:15:22", "text": "people lost their lives there. I just"}, {"start": "03:15:20", "end": "03:15:23", "text": "thought I'd"}, {"start": "03:15:22", "end": "03:15:25", "text": "maybe have a chance if that were to"}, {"start": "03:15:23", "end": "03:15:29", "text": "happen ever. So, you got to think about"}, {"start": "03:15:25", "end": "03:15:31", "text": "that survival, you know. Yeah. But I'd"}, {"start": "03:15:29", "end": "03:15:35", "text": "like to um"}, {"start": "03:15:31", "end": "03:15:35", "text": "I'd like to also say that"}, {"start": "03:15:40", "end": "03:15:44", "text": "people in Congress just need to have a"}, {"start": "03:15:41", "end": "03:15:46", "text": "little more open mind and they need to"}, {"start": "03:15:44", "end": "03:15:49", "text": "they really need to talk to people that"}, {"start": "03:15:46", "end": "03:15:51", "text": "have up close and personal experiences"}, {"start": "03:15:49", "end": "03:15:55", "text": "with this. This is not something that"}, {"start": "03:15:51", "end": "03:15:58", "text": "passed by me at 1500 miles an hour or uh"}, {"start": "03:15:55", "end": "03:16:01", "text": "was off in the far distance in any way."}, {"start": "03:15:58", "end": "03:16:03", "text": "And like I said, I love all all my"}, {"start": "03:16:01", "end": "03:16:05", "text": "pilots. I I love those guys, man. Navy,"}, {"start": "03:16:03", "end": "03:16:08", "text": "Air Force, Marines, I don't care. I"}, {"start": "03:16:05", "end": "03:16:11", "text": "They're great guys, man. Teeth, you"}, {"start": "03:16:08", "end": "03:16:13", "text": "know, teeth with bugs in it, hair on"}, {"start": "03:16:11", "end": "03:16:17", "text": "fire, and they're just they're going"}, {"start": "03:16:13", "end": "03:16:19", "text": "full speed ahead, man. I like that."}, {"start": "03:16:17", "end": "03:16:23", "text": "But what happened that night on November"}, {"start": "03:16:19", "end": "03:16:28", "text": "5 was up close and absolute personal."}, {"start": "03:16:23", "end": "03:16:32", "text": "And uh no matter"}, {"start": "03:16:28", "end": "03:16:34", "text": "whether they ever hear me or not, I live"}, {"start": "03:16:32", "end": "03:16:36", "text": "with that. And I know what I saw. I know"}, {"start": "03:16:34", "end": "03:16:38", "text": "what I smelled and I know what I"}, {"start": "03:16:36", "end": "03:16:39", "text": "experienced."}, {"start": "03:16:38", "end": "03:16:41", "text": "And there's another guy out there just"}, {"start": "03:16:39", "end": "03:16:43", "text": "like me. And it's up to them to find"}, {"start": "03:16:41", "end": "03:16:45", "text": "him. I told the FBI, interviewed with"}, {"start": "03:16:43", "end": "03:16:48", "text": "the FBI here"}, {"start": "03:16:45", "end": "03:16:50", "text": "few months back about seven or eight"}, {"start": "03:16:48", "end": "03:16:54", "text": "hours with them on the phone. Even"}, {"start": "03:16:50", "end": "03:16:56", "text": "interviewed my sister down in uh Florida"}, {"start": "03:16:54", "end": "03:16:59", "text": "about our incident we saw in Port"}, {"start": "03:16:56", "end": "03:17:04", "text": "Arthur, Texas as kids. And my sister has"}, {"start": "03:16:59", "end": "03:17:07", "text": "seen two tic tacs in where she lives"}, {"start": "03:17:04", "end": "03:17:11", "text": "near Dade City, Florida. Yeah. and they"}, {"start": "03:17:07", "end": "03:17:13", "text": "even asked her about that. So,"}, {"start": "03:17:11", "end": "03:17:15", "text": "it was it was it was good for her. She"}, {"start": "03:17:13", "end": "03:17:17", "text": "uh that it really made her feel good,"}, {"start": "03:17:15", "end": "03:17:20", "text": "you know."}, {"start": "03:17:17", "end": "03:17:25", "text": "But, um"}, {"start": "03:17:20", "end": "03:17:25", "text": "I would just I would just honestly"}, {"start": "03:17:25", "end": "03:17:30", "text": "like to see them"}, {"start": "03:17:28", "end": "03:17:32", "text": "really investigate this. I don't know"}, {"start": "03:17:30", "end": "03:17:36", "text": "what military forces are or are or"}, {"start": "03:17:32", "end": "03:17:38", "text": "personnel are blocking Congress."}, {"start": "03:17:36", "end": "03:17:41", "text": "the people we elect and pay to find"}, {"start": "03:17:38", "end": "03:17:43", "text": "these answers for us and the people that"}, {"start": "03:17:41", "end": "03:17:49", "text": "are in the military or all the services"}, {"start": "03:17:43", "end": "03:17:50", "text": "or or the CIA or the NSA or the FBI,"}, {"start": "03:17:49", "end": "03:17:51", "text": "they have to be held accountable."}, {"start": "03:17:50", "end": "03:17:54", "text": "Somebody's got to answer these"}, {"start": "03:17:51", "end": "03:17:58", "text": "questions. And you know, it's a dead gum"}, {"start": "03:17:54", "end": "03:18:01", "text": "shame a a president only gets four years"}, {"start": "03:17:58", "end": "03:18:03", "text": "or a re-election for four more years,"}, {"start": "03:18:01", "end": "03:18:06", "text": "but yet a lot of these senators and all"}, {"start": "03:18:03", "end": "03:18:09", "text": "and a lot lot people they stay in there"}, {"start": "03:18:06", "end": "03:18:12", "text": "for a lifetime. So what kind of power"}, {"start": "03:18:09", "end": "03:18:14", "text": "did they develop? How unfair is that to"}, {"start": "03:18:12", "end": "03:18:16", "text": "to the rest of society because they"}, {"start": "03:18:14", "end": "03:18:19", "text": "believed they believe they're entitled"}, {"start": "03:18:16", "end": "03:18:21", "text": "to what they're doing today to keep"}, {"start": "03:18:19", "end": "03:18:23", "text": "secrets from all of us. And that's"}, {"start": "03:18:21", "end": "03:18:25", "text": "that's entirely wrong. We pay those"}, {"start": "03:18:23", "end": "03:18:28", "text": "people."}, {"start": "03:18:25", "end": "03:18:29", "text": ">> Yeah. I feel like um a lot of this stuff"}, {"start": "03:18:28", "end": "03:18:31", "text": "is going to come is going to be"}, {"start": "03:18:29", "end": "03:18:31", "text": "grassroots. It's going to be from the"}, {"start": "03:18:31", "end": "03:18:32", "text": "ground up."}, {"start": "03:18:31", "end": "03:18:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:18:32", "end": "03:18:35", "text": ">> And it's going to come from the little"}, {"start": "03:18:33", "end": "03:18:37", "text": "guy. And I think that's the way it has"}, {"start": "03:18:35", "end": "03:18:39", "text": "to happen cuz"}, {"start": "03:18:37", "end": "03:18:41", "text": ">> you know that's that's all we've got at"}, {"start": "03:18:39", "end": "03:18:42", "text": "the end of the day. We can't we can't"}, {"start": "03:18:41", "end": "03:18:42", "text": "trust them all."}, {"start": "03:18:42", "end": "03:18:44", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "03:18:42", "end": "03:18:46", "text": ">> We got to trust we got to you know stick"}, {"start": "03:18:44", "end": "03:18:48", "text": "together and and keep telling these"}, {"start": "03:18:46", "end": "03:18:51", "text": "stories"}, {"start": "03:18:48", "end": "03:18:53", "text": "um just like you're doing today."}, {"start": "03:18:51", "end": "03:18:55", "text": "Um I also wanted to one last thing I"}, {"start": "03:18:53", "end": "03:18:58", "text": "wanted to touch on before we go. Do not"}, {"start": "03:18:55", "end": "03:19:00", "text": "fear."}, {"start": "03:18:58", "end": "03:19:03", "text": "Now"}, {"start": "03:19:00", "end": "03:19:05", "text": "that not only resonates with every"}, {"start": "03:19:03", "end": "03:19:07", "text": "experiencer who's had close contact"}, {"start": "03:19:05", "end": "03:19:10", "text": "because they also have heard that in one"}, {"start": "03:19:07", "end": "03:19:13", "text": "form or another or sometimes like we are"}, {"start": "03:19:10", "end": "03:19:14", "text": "you are we this type of you know"}, {"start": "03:19:13", "end": "03:19:17", "text": "rhetoric."}, {"start": "03:19:14", "end": "03:19:19", "text": ">> But also if you look in and I'm I'm not"}, {"start": "03:19:17", "end": "03:19:22", "text": "a religious guy. I know you mentioned"}, {"start": "03:19:19", "end": "03:19:24", "text": "you had a Bible and and you know I I I'm"}, {"start": "03:19:22", "end": "03:19:25", "text": "okay with religion I think."}, {"start": "03:19:24", "end": "03:19:28", "text": ">> Yeah, sure."}, {"start": "03:19:25", "end": "03:19:31", "text": ">> Um but in the Bible they do mention this"}, {"start": "03:19:28", "end": "03:19:31", "text": ">> 365 times."}, {"start": "03:19:31", "end": "03:19:32", "text": ">> Do not fear."}, {"start": "03:19:31", "end": "03:19:34", "text": ">> Do not fear."}, {"start": "03:19:32", "end": "03:19:34", "text": ">> The angels, the seraraphim,"}, {"start": "03:19:34", "end": "03:19:37", "text": ">> yes,"}, {"start": "03:19:34", "end": "03:19:37", "text": ">> these visitations, the first thing they"}, {"start": "03:19:37", "end": "03:19:38", "text": "say,"}, {"start": "03:19:37", "end": "03:19:38", "text": ">> do not fear."}, {"start": "03:19:38", "end": "03:19:40", "text": ">> Do not fear."}, {"start": "03:19:38", "end": "03:19:41", "text": ">> Amen. Yep."}, {"start": "03:19:40", "end": "03:19:43", "text": ">> You already made that connection."}, {"start": "03:19:41", "end": "03:19:46", "text": ">> Oh, absolutely."}, {"start": "03:19:43", "end": "03:19:47", "text": ">> Yeah. Do you think historically what"}, {"start": "03:19:46", "end": "03:19:49", "text": "people are referring to in the Bible are"}, {"start": "03:19:47", "end": "03:19:51", "text": "these beings?"}, {"start": "03:19:49", "end": "03:19:54", "text": ">> I think it's very close. I totally"}, {"start": "03:19:51", "end": "03:19:57", "text": "believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I I"}, {"start": "03:19:54", "end": "03:19:59", "text": "I believe the Bible. And however we"}, {"start": "03:19:57", "end": "03:20:01", "text": "perceive that in each of us is the story"}, {"start": "03:19:59", "end": "03:20:02", "text": "it will take away from it."}, {"start": "03:20:01", "end": "03:20:04", "text": ">> So what I can say shouldn't influence"}, {"start": "03:20:02", "end": "03:20:06", "text": "anybody else has got to be within each"}, {"start": "03:20:04", "end": "03:20:09", "text": "each individual. And I'm sure at the end"}, {"start": "03:20:06", "end": "03:20:12", "text": "of my lifespan when I'm gasping my last"}, {"start": "03:20:09", "end": "03:20:15", "text": "breath of air, I'm pretty certain I'll"}, {"start": "03:20:12", "end": "03:20:16", "text": "be calling on him. Whether a person"}, {"start": "03:20:15", "end": "03:20:19", "text": "believes or not or they're involved in"}, {"start": "03:20:16", "end": "03:20:24", "text": "an accident or die naturally of natural"}, {"start": "03:20:19", "end": "03:20:24", "text": "causes, they still call on him."}, {"start": "03:20:25", "end": "03:20:32", "text": ">> Do you think they're demons?"}, {"start": "03:20:27", "end": "03:20:34", "text": ">> No. No. There are such things. I'm"}, {"start": "03:20:32", "end": "03:20:36", "text": ">> evil forces out there. Yeah. But not"}, {"start": "03:20:34", "end": "03:20:39", "text": "these things. No, not these things."}, {"start": "03:20:36", "end": "03:20:40", "text": ">> What would you say to people who who"}, {"start": "03:20:39", "end": "03:20:42", "text": "dismiss them as demons? What would you"}, {"start": "03:20:40", "end": "03:20:44", "text": "tell them as someone who does believe in"}, {"start": "03:20:42", "end": "03:20:45", "text": "God and believe in the Bible? What would"}, {"start": "03:20:44", "end": "03:20:46", "text": "you say to these people? Because I think"}, {"start": "03:20:45", "end": "03:20:48", "text": "they need to hear it, too."}, {"start": "03:20:46", "end": "03:20:51", "text": ">> I think there should be a separation."}, {"start": "03:20:48", "end": "03:20:51", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "03:20:54", "end": "03:21:00", "text": "in in my humble opinion, if you ever"}, {"start": "03:20:57", "end": "03:21:02", "text": "think that we are all that ever has been"}, {"start": "03:21:00", "end": "03:21:05", "text": "or ever will be and all that vastness is"}, {"start": "03:21:02", "end": "03:21:07", "text": "right above our head and continuation of"}, {"start": "03:21:05", "end": "03:21:09", "text": "thought forever"}, {"start": "03:21:07", "end": "03:21:12", "text": "and we're all that we're all that's out"}, {"start": "03:21:09", "end": "03:21:15", "text": "here, you're just fooling yourself"}, {"start": "03:21:12", "end": "03:21:18", "text": "because it's"}, {"start": "03:21:15", "end": "03:21:20", "text": "we're made of star material. God put"}, {"start": "03:21:18", "end": "03:21:22", "text": "that together in my opinion and sent it"}, {"start": "03:21:20", "end": "03:21:24", "text": "to where it could be used or placed us"}, {"start": "03:21:22", "end": "03:21:27", "text": "here in ways in which he wanted us to"}, {"start": "03:21:24", "end": "03:21:28", "text": "be. That's all I know to say. And you"}, {"start": "03:21:27", "end": "03:21:31", "text": "got to and again, you've got to be very"}, {"start": "03:21:28", "end": "03:21:32", "text": "careful on how you address that because"}, {"start": "03:21:31", "end": "03:21:35", "text": "people are going to make opinions of it."}, {"start": "03:21:32", "end": "03:21:38", "text": "But"}, {"start": "03:21:35", "end": "03:21:41", "text": "there's nobody I don't care for."}, {"start": "03:21:38", "end": "03:21:41", "text": "And"}, {"start": "03:21:42", "end": "03:21:47", "text": "when people do good things, good things"}, {"start": "03:21:44", "end": "03:21:50", "text": "happen. And uh"}, {"start": "03:21:47", "end": "03:21:53", "text": "I I just"}, {"start": "03:21:50", "end": "03:21:56", "text": "think down deep I think there's good in"}, {"start": "03:21:53", "end": "03:21:58", "text": "everybody and they just they just have"}, {"start": "03:21:56", "end": "03:22:02", "text": "to they have to let it out, you know,"}, {"start": "03:21:58", "end": "03:22:05", "text": "just have to to live that for each other"}, {"start": "03:22:02", "end": "03:22:05", "text": "I believe. But"}, {"start": "03:22:05", "end": "03:22:10", "text": "there are those that don't unfortunately"}, {"start": "03:22:07", "end": "03:22:12", "text": "but that's just my my thought and it's a"}, {"start": "03:22:10", "end": "03:22:14", "text": "very deep subject."}, {"start": "03:22:12", "end": "03:22:16", "text": ">> All right, Mario. Um, are you do you"}, {"start": "03:22:14", "end": "03:22:18", "text": "want to take a break? Do I I have"}, {"start": "03:22:16", "end": "03:22:19", "text": "questions from the audience. Just a few."}, {"start": "03:22:18", "end": "03:22:20", "text": "Do do you feel like"}, {"start": "03:22:19", "end": "03:22:21", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "03:22:20", "end": "03:22:21", "text": ">> you can get through or do you want to"}, {"start": "03:22:21", "end": "03:22:23", "text": "take a little break here?"}, {"start": "03:22:21", "end": "03:22:25", "text": ">> No, I'm I'm good, man. I'm I'm I'm all"}, {"start": "03:22:23", "end": "03:22:26", "text": "right. All right, we'll go. I hope I've"}, {"start": "03:22:25", "end": "03:22:28", "text": "done okay here. I'm just"}, {"start": "03:22:26", "end": "03:22:31", "text": ">> You're incredible. Stop. You're amazing."}, {"start": "03:22:28", "end": "03:22:33", "text": "This has been one of the most amazing"}, {"start": "03:22:31", "end": "03:22:35", "text": "conversations I I I've ever had in doing"}, {"start": "03:22:33", "end": "03:22:35", "text": "this. So, yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank"}, {"start": "03:22:35", "end": "03:22:37", "text": "you."}, {"start": "03:22:35", "end": "03:22:38", "text": ">> I'll be right back. I'm going to turn"}, {"start": "03:22:37", "end": "03:22:39", "text": "that camera on and we're going to get to"}, {"start": "03:22:38", "end": "03:22:40", "text": "some audience questions. Okay."}, {"start": "03:22:39", "end": "03:22:41", "text": ">> All right. We got some questions here"}, {"start": "03:22:40", "end": "03:22:44", "text": "from the audience."}, {"start": "03:22:41", "end": "03:22:45", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "03:22:44", "end": "03:22:47", "text": "and uh they've always got good"}, {"start": "03:22:45", "end": "03:22:49", "text": "questions. And if you're a member here,"}, {"start": "03:22:47", "end": "03:22:51", "text": "one of the perks, as many of you know,"}, {"start": "03:22:49", "end": "03:22:54", "text": "is getting to have the potential or to"}, {"start": "03:22:51", "end": "03:22:56", "text": "ask our audience, ask our guest a"}, {"start": "03:22:54", "end": "03:22:58", "text": "question. And uh I usually choose three"}, {"start": "03:22:56", "end": "03:23:00", "text": "and we're going to see maybe we'll"}, {"start": "03:22:58", "end": "03:23:01", "text": "answer a few of them here. You know,"}, {"start": "03:23:00", "end": "03:23:05", "text": "there are times when I've walked in"}, {"start": "03:23:01", "end": "03:23:08", "text": "rooms and the lights flicker"}, {"start": "03:23:05", "end": "03:23:10", "text": "and then I was at my oral surgeon's"}, {"start": "03:23:08", "end": "03:23:13", "text": "office"}, {"start": "03:23:10", "end": "03:23:17", "text": "and they were doing the uh"}, {"start": "03:23:13", "end": "03:23:19", "text": "scan, you know, of my mouth"}, {"start": "03:23:17", "end": "03:23:21", "text": "and uh that piece of equipment is really"}, {"start": "03:23:19", "end": "03:23:24", "text": "high dollar"}, {"start": "03:23:21", "end": "03:23:26", "text": "and once they scanned it, it wouldn't"}, {"start": "03:23:24", "end": "03:23:28", "text": "play it back."}, {"start": "03:23:26", "end": "03:23:29", "text": "Well, when you called me earlier"}, {"start": "03:23:28", "end": "03:23:31", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "03:23:29", "end": "03:23:33", "text": ">> right before you called, and I mean 3"}, {"start": "03:23:31", "end": "03:23:34", "text": "seconds before you called, the lights"}, {"start": "03:23:33", "end": "03:23:34", "text": "flickered in my office."}, {"start": "03:23:34", "end": "03:23:38", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "03:23:34", "end": "03:23:39", "text": ">> And I I was like, that it's probably"}, {"start": "03:23:38", "end": "03:23:41", "text": "windy. It's probably like a"}, {"start": "03:23:39", "end": "03:23:43", "text": "thunderstorm. I go outside. It's a"}, {"start": "03:23:41", "end": "03:23:45", "text": "beautiful day."}, {"start": "03:23:43", "end": "03:23:46", "text": ">> Okay. Uh interesting. Um"}, {"start": "03:23:45", "end": "03:23:48", "text": ">> I'm going to tell you one more thing,"}, {"start": "03:23:46", "end": "03:23:51", "text": "too, real quick. My uh son was with me"}, {"start": "03:23:48", "end": "03:23:54", "text": "this day"}, {"start": "03:23:51", "end": "03:23:56", "text": "about eight months ago. Got out of my"}, {"start": "03:23:54", "end": "03:23:57", "text": "truck. He was visiting. Got out of my"}, {"start": "03:23:56", "end": "03:23:59", "text": "little Honda Ridgeline where I drive."}, {"start": "03:23:57", "end": "03:24:01", "text": "Pull up in the driveway, got out and I"}, {"start": "03:23:59", "end": "03:24:03", "text": "have over an acre where I live and"}, {"start": "03:24:01", "end": "03:24:05", "text": "there's a Zelia bushes and all this"}, {"start": "03:24:03", "end": "03:24:06", "text": "stuff around all around my house, you"}, {"start": "03:24:05", "end": "03:24:09", "text": "know."}, {"start": "03:24:06", "end": "03:24:12", "text": "Anyway, I was walking toward the garage,"}, {"start": "03:24:09", "end": "03:24:14", "text": "not a breath of air in the in the"}, {"start": "03:24:12", "end": "03:24:16", "text": "blowing or nothing, and all of a sudden"}, {"start": "03:24:14", "end": "03:24:19", "text": "this freaking Aelia Bush man just"}, {"start": "03:24:16", "end": "03:24:22", "text": "started doing this and he goes, \"Dad,"}, {"start": "03:24:19", "end": "03:24:23", "text": "what?\""}, {"start": "03:24:22", "end": "03:24:26", "text": "That's another thing when you talk about"}, {"start": "03:24:23", "end": "03:24:29", "text": "2017, December 17, 2017. That's"}, {"start": "03:24:26", "end": "03:24:31", "text": "something that happened, you know, in my"}, {"start": "03:24:29", "end": "03:24:34", "text": "room. I don't know what it was for or"}, {"start": "03:24:31", "end": "03:24:35", "text": "what or what happened, but"}, {"start": "03:24:34", "end": "03:24:36", "text": "that's when I woke up standing at the"}, {"start": "03:24:35", "end": "03:24:37", "text": "foot of my bed."}, {"start": "03:24:36", "end": "03:24:39", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "03:24:37", "end": "03:24:42", "text": ">> Mhm. That we need to talk about that,"}, {"start": "03:24:39", "end": "03:24:44", "text": "but um all the low voltage, you know"}, {"start": "03:24:42", "end": "03:24:46", "text": "what a low voltage alarm is? Like on"}, {"start": "03:24:44", "end": "03:24:48", "text": "your microwave, your stove, your"}, {"start": "03:24:46", "end": "03:24:51", "text": "refrigerator, uh all these items, your"}, {"start": "03:24:48", "end": "03:24:52", "text": "your AC units have them. And all these"}, {"start": "03:24:51", "end": "03:24:56", "text": "low voltage alarms in my home were go"}, {"start": "03:24:52", "end": "03:24:59", "text": "was going off. And uh it was uh 411"}, {"start": "03:24:56", "end": "03:25:02", "text": "4:11 a.m."}, {"start": "03:24:59", "end": "03:25:04", "text": "And my son burst through through my room"}, {"start": "03:25:02", "end": "03:25:08", "text": "through my door in my room cuz he's just"}, {"start": "03:25:04", "end": "03:25:10", "text": "the room over. And uh he said, \"Dad,"}, {"start": "03:25:08", "end": "03:25:13", "text": "what's going on?\" Soon as he said that,"}, {"start": "03:25:10", "end": "03:25:15", "text": "I opened my eyes and I'm standing at the"}, {"start": "03:25:13", "end": "03:25:18", "text": "foot of my bed looking at the north wall"}, {"start": "03:25:15", "end": "03:25:20", "text": "in my house. And"}, {"start": "03:25:18", "end": "03:25:21", "text": "I said I said, \"What's all those"}, {"start": "03:25:20", "end": "03:25:23", "text": "alarms?\" He goes, \"Dad, I don't know.\""}, {"start": "03:25:21", "end": "03:25:25", "text": "And all the lights were like real low"}, {"start": "03:25:23", "end": "03:25:28", "text": "like they were down on"}, {"start": "03:25:25", "end": "03:25:29", "text": ">> I lost a leg of power to my house. So"}, {"start": "03:25:28", "end": "03:25:32", "text": "everything was up. I don't know what"}, {"start": "03:25:29", "end": "03:25:34", "text": "that voltage is, but everything was"}, {"start": "03:25:32", "end": "03:25:36", "text": "reduced and the lights were just barely"}, {"start": "03:25:34", "end": "03:25:39", "text": "on. And then what was on like above the"}, {"start": "03:25:36", "end": "03:25:43", "text": "stove and that kind of small lights were"}, {"start": "03:25:39", "end": "03:25:45", "text": "just flickering like they were like they"}, {"start": "03:25:43", "end": "03:25:47", "text": "were just turned way down"}, {"start": "03:25:45", "end": "03:25:50", "text": "and nothing's on any kind of a dimmer"}, {"start": "03:25:47", "end": "03:25:52", "text": "control or nothing."}, {"start": "03:25:50", "end": "03:25:55", "text": "And uh so I went through the house and"}, {"start": "03:25:52", "end": "03:25:57", "text": "after these low voltage alarms sound on"}, {"start": "03:25:55", "end": "03:25:58", "text": "this equipment on your washer dryer and"}, {"start": "03:25:57", "end": "03:26:00", "text": "all that stuff for a while then they"}, {"start": "03:25:58", "end": "03:26:03", "text": "finally turn off I guess. I don't know"}, {"start": "03:26:00", "end": "03:26:04", "text": "cuz the power never came back on. But I"}, {"start": "03:26:03", "end": "03:26:06", "text": "told him I don't know what happened son."}, {"start": "03:26:04", "end": "03:26:09", "text": "I said, \"I I guess I'll call Georgia"}, {"start": "03:26:06", "end": "03:26:11", "text": "Power when I wake up.\" So, and all of a"}, {"start": "03:26:09", "end": "03:26:12", "text": "sudden, it was about4:4 to 8 in the"}, {"start": "03:26:11", "end": "03:26:14", "text": "morning. He opened my door and he says,"}, {"start": "03:26:12", "end": "03:26:15", "text": "\"Dad,\" he goes, \"Georgia Powers out"}, {"start": "03:26:14", "end": "03:26:20", "text": "here.\" And I said, \"Really?\" I said, \"I"}, {"start": "03:26:15", "end": "03:26:21", "text": "didn't call them.\" He goes, \"Hm.\""}, {"start": "03:26:20", "end": "03:26:22", "text": "He goes, \"Well, they're out there in the"}, {"start": "03:26:21", "end": "03:26:25", "text": "yard. There's a bunch of them.\" I said,"}, {"start": "03:26:22", "end": "03:26:28", "text": "\"No kidding.\" And it's uh I live off the"}, {"start": "03:26:25", "end": "03:26:29", "text": "road by like 150 ft."}, {"start": "03:26:28", "end": "03:26:31", "text": "So, I got dressed real quick and I was"}, {"start": "03:26:29", "end": "03:26:32", "text": "off that day. So, I walked out there and"}, {"start": "03:26:31", "end": "03:26:35", "text": "I said, \"Hey, how you doing, man?\" And"}, {"start": "03:26:32", "end": "03:26:37", "text": "he was in this between some pine trees"}, {"start": "03:26:35", "end": "03:26:40", "text": "in my yard in about they were in about"}, {"start": "03:26:37", "end": "03:26:42", "text": "40 ft trying to find where the break was"}, {"start": "03:26:40", "end": "03:26:46", "text": "in that line, you know, but was I had no"}, {"start": "03:26:42", "end": "03:26:46", "text": "idea what he was even looking for."}, {"start": "03:26:46", "end": "03:26:50", "text": "And he goes, \"Uh, you Mr. Woods?\" And I"}, {"start": "03:26:48", "end": "03:26:53", "text": "said, \"Yes, sir.\" He goes, \"Uh, well, I"}, {"start": "03:26:50", "end": "03:26:56", "text": "I put a I tied in"}, {"start": "03:26:53", "end": "03:26:59", "text": "a jumper transformer. It's on your back"}, {"start": "03:26:56", "end": "03:27:01", "text": "deck by your trash can.\" I said, \"What?\""}, {"start": "03:26:59", "end": "03:27:02", "text": "I said, \"What happened?\" He goes, \"I"}, {"start": "03:27:01", "end": "03:27:04", "text": "don't know what happened.\" And he said,"}, {"start": "03:27:02", "end": "03:27:07", "text": "\"But you lit up our board downtown like"}, {"start": "03:27:04", "end": "03:27:10", "text": "the 4th of July this morning at 4:11"}, {"start": "03:27:07", "end": "03:27:11", "text": "a.m.\" And I said, \"Well, what about the"}, {"start": "03:27:10", "end": "03:27:13", "text": "rest of the neighborhood today? Out of"}, {"start": "03:27:11", "end": "03:27:16", "text": "power?\" I said, \"Cuz all my stuff is"}, {"start": "03:27:13", "end": "03:27:17", "text": "like it's working right now, but it was"}, {"start": "03:27:16", "end": "03:27:20", "text": "working because he put that jumper and"}, {"start": "03:27:17", "end": "03:27:22", "text": "it wasn't working up to that point.\" And"}, {"start": "03:27:20", "end": "03:27:26", "text": "my wife was asleep. She had no idea any"}, {"start": "03:27:22", "end": "03:27:29", "text": "of this had even taken place. You know,"}, {"start": "03:27:26", "end": "03:27:32", "text": "December 17th, 2017 is when it happened."}, {"start": "03:27:29", "end": "03:27:35", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "03:27:32", "end": "03:27:38", "text": "so anyway uh I I he he got to ask me"}, {"start": "03:27:35", "end": "03:27:40", "text": "questions and I said uh he goes, \"Were"}, {"start": "03:27:38", "end": "03:27:41", "text": "you running any kind of equipment or"}, {"start": "03:27:40", "end": "03:27:42", "text": "something, high voltage equipment, a"}, {"start": "03:27:41", "end": "03:27:44", "text": "welder or something?\" And I said, \"I"}, {"start": "03:27:42", "end": "03:27:45", "text": "don't even own a welder, man. I own"}, {"start": "03:27:44", "end": "03:27:47", "text": "everything else, but no, I don't have"}, {"start": "03:27:45", "end": "03:27:50", "text": "anything like that.\" He and he goes,"}, {"start": "03:27:47", "end": "03:27:51", "text": "\"Uh, anything on the 220 level?\" And I"}, {"start": "03:27:50", "end": "03:27:53", "text": "said, \"No, sir.\" I said, \"My well is,"}, {"start": "03:27:51", "end": "03:27:55", "text": "you know, I have a well.\" I said, \"I"}, {"start": "03:27:53", "end": "03:27:57", "text": "have a a dryer and all that stuff that"}, {"start": "03:27:55", "end": "03:27:59", "text": "all pulls 220.\""}, {"start": "03:27:57", "end": "03:28:01", "text": "And he goes, \"Well, I don't know"}, {"start": "03:27:59", "end": "03:28:03", "text": "either.\" He said, \"I just know.\" He"}, {"start": "03:28:01", "end": "03:28:06", "text": "Yours is the only house that's affected."}, {"start": "03:28:03", "end": "03:28:07", "text": "And it messed it blew my computer up, my"}, {"start": "03:28:06", "end": "03:28:07", "text": "doorbell system."}, {"start": "03:28:07", "end": "03:28:10", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:28:07", "end": "03:28:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh a microwave oven had two of"}, {"start": "03:28:10", "end": "03:28:17", "text": "them and only one of them went"}, {"start": "03:28:13", "end": "03:28:17", "text": "uh something else in my garage."}, {"start": "03:28:20", "end": "03:28:23", "text": "Well, it it may have been something, but"}, {"start": "03:28:23", "end": "03:28:26", "text": ">> but um"}, {"start": "03:28:23", "end": "03:28:28", "text": ">> that might explain the uh the split flap"}, {"start": "03:28:26", "end": "03:28:30", "text": "not working here behind me. It's not"}, {"start": "03:28:28", "end": "03:28:32", "text": "working. This isn't I I got to probably"}, {"start": "03:28:30", "end": "03:28:32", "text": "reboot it or whatever, so we can't get"}, {"start": "03:28:32", "end": "03:28:32", "text": "to that."}, {"start": "03:28:32", "end": "03:28:35", "text": ">> I have um"}, {"start": "03:28:32", "end": "03:28:38", "text": ">> question this this whole thing December"}, {"start": "03:28:35", "end": "03:28:40", "text": "17th, 2017. I I I called Robert Hastings"}, {"start": "03:28:38", "end": "03:28:43", "text": "right away when I found all this out."}, {"start": "03:28:40", "end": "03:28:45", "text": "And uh after my son burst through my"}, {"start": "03:28:43", "end": "03:28:46", "text": "room and and I had this hole in the wall"}, {"start": "03:28:45", "end": "03:28:48", "text": "with sparks on the end of it, looked"}, {"start": "03:28:46", "end": "03:28:49", "text": "like some kind of an opening or"}, {"start": "03:28:48", "end": "03:28:51", "text": "something. I can't explain it. And I"}, {"start": "03:28:49", "end": "03:28:52", "text": "don't really know what I saw. And I was"}, {"start": "03:28:51", "end": "03:28:53", "text": "standing at the edge of my bed."}, {"start": "03:28:52", "end": "03:28:54", "text": ">> Like a portal."}, {"start": "03:28:53", "end": "03:28:56", "text": ">> Like a portal. Yeah."}, {"start": "03:28:54", "end": "03:28:58", "text": ">> Was it was it like in like you cuz you"}, {"start": "03:28:56", "end": "03:28:59", "text": "described to me like like in the Marvel"}, {"start": "03:28:58", "end": "03:29:01", "text": "movies."}, {"start": "03:28:59", "end": "03:29:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Just just like that when Thanos"}, {"start": "03:29:01", "end": "03:29:05", "text": "raised the fist and shot back through"}, {"start": "03:29:03", "end": "03:29:06", "text": "this dad gum portal. Looked just like"}, {"start": "03:29:05", "end": "03:29:08", "text": "that. I mean that's I even thought that"}, {"start": "03:29:06", "end": "03:29:13", "text": "when I"}, {"start": "03:29:08", "end": "03:29:13", "text": "when I said that and um"}, {"start": "03:29:13", "end": "03:29:17", "text": "and I don't have full recollection of"}, {"start": "03:29:14", "end": "03:29:19", "text": "seeing that. I just know you know"}, {"start": "03:29:17", "end": "03:29:22", "text": "vision's a funny thing."}, {"start": "03:29:19", "end": "03:29:24", "text": "you know that in magic. But"}, {"start": "03:29:22", "end": "03:29:26", "text": "so after I meet the supervisor in my"}, {"start": "03:29:24", "end": "03:29:27", "text": "yard and he's telling me he's put this"}, {"start": "03:29:26", "end": "03:29:30", "text": "jumper transformer, which I have"}, {"start": "03:29:27", "end": "03:29:31", "text": "pictures of on my on my back deck out"}, {"start": "03:29:30", "end": "03:29:33", "text": "beside my garage and I had not even seen"}, {"start": "03:29:31", "end": "03:29:34", "text": "it yet. I walked back there with him to"}, {"start": "03:29:33", "end": "03:29:36", "text": "look at it and he showed me said I'll"}, {"start": "03:29:34", "end": "03:29:38", "text": "come get it as soon as I put a new line"}, {"start": "03:29:36", "end": "03:29:40", "text": "down. So a couple of everything was done"}, {"start": "03:29:38", "end": "03:29:42", "text": "and taken care of and I did have some"}, {"start": "03:29:40", "end": "03:29:45", "text": "things that were toasted and got had to"}, {"start": "03:29:42", "end": "03:29:47", "text": "get rid of and buy new again. But uh"}, {"start": "03:29:45", "end": "03:29:50", "text": "couple of weeks later uh one of the"}, {"start": "03:29:47", "end": "03:29:51", "text": "neighbors teenagers who my son and he"}, {"start": "03:29:50", "end": "03:29:52", "text": "used to play around together when they"}, {"start": "03:29:51", "end": "03:29:55", "text": "were kids shooting bows and arrows and"}, {"start": "03:29:52", "end": "03:29:56", "text": "BB guns and stuff and he came by and he"}, {"start": "03:29:55", "end": "03:29:58", "text": "said, \"Hey, Mr. Woods\"? He says, \"What"}, {"start": "03:29:56", "end": "03:30:00", "text": "was all those lights in your backyard"}, {"start": "03:29:58", "end": "03:30:03", "text": "the other night?\" And I said, \"What?\" I"}, {"start": "03:30:00", "end": "03:30:06", "text": "didn't know what he's talking about. I"}, {"start": "03:30:03", "end": "03:30:08", "text": "said, \"What are you talking about?\""}, {"start": "03:30:06", "end": "03:30:11", "text": "And he goes, \"They look like Hollywood"}, {"start": "03:30:08", "end": "03:30:14", "text": "search lights in your backyard at 4:00"}, {"start": "03:30:11", "end": "03:30:16", "text": "in the morning.\" And I said,"}, {"start": "03:30:14", "end": "03:30:18", "text": "You got to be kidding me. I said, \"You"}, {"start": "03:30:16", "end": "03:30:19", "text": "know, I've just got six lights back"}, {"start": "03:30:18", "end": "03:30:21", "text": "there on the corners of the house,"}, {"start": "03:30:19", "end": "03:30:22", "text": "right? Regular 150 watt spotlights,"}, {"start": "03:30:21", "end": "03:30:24", "text": "right?\" And he goes, \"I don't know what"}, {"start": "03:30:22", "end": "03:30:26", "text": "they were.\" He said, \"But they were"}, {"start": "03:30:24", "end": "03:30:29", "text": "super huge and bright.\" He said, \"I was"}, {"start": "03:30:26", "end": "03:30:30", "text": "on my way to work.\" And he just drove"}, {"start": "03:30:29", "end": "03:30:32", "text": "off."}, {"start": "03:30:30", "end": "03:30:34", "text": "And that was the end of that. And I just"}, {"start": "03:30:32", "end": "03:30:37", "text": "shook my head thinking, \"What in the"}, {"start": "03:30:34", "end": "03:30:40", "text": "heck, man, is all that is is that, you"}, {"start": "03:30:37", "end": "03:30:42", "text": "know, I just"}, {"start": "03:30:40", "end": "03:30:45", "text": "I don't know. It just it just blew my"}, {"start": "03:30:42", "end": "03:30:47", "text": "mind.\" And one other thing I want to go"}, {"start": "03:30:45", "end": "03:30:50", "text": "I want to go back to real quick is right"}, {"start": "03:30:47", "end": "03:30:54", "text": "after my sighting"}, {"start": "03:30:50", "end": "03:30:57", "text": "and experience at November 5."}, {"start": "03:30:54", "end": "03:30:59", "text": "It wasn't long at all when"}, {"start": "03:30:57", "end": "03:30:59", "text": "Close Encounters of Third Giant came"}, {"start": "03:30:59", "end": "03:31:02", "text": "out."}, {"start": "03:30:59", "end": "03:31:06", "text": ">> Oh wow."}, {"start": "03:31:02", "end": "03:31:09", "text": ">> I think it came out in um it came out"}, {"start": "03:31:06", "end": "03:31:12", "text": "December, didn't it? Of 77."}, {"start": "03:31:09", "end": "03:31:13", "text": ">> Of 77. Yep. You know, I'm in I'm"}, {"start": "03:31:12", "end": "03:31:13", "text": "November."}, {"start": "03:31:13", "end": "03:31:15", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "03:31:13", "end": "03:31:16", "text": ">> of 77."}, {"start": "03:31:15", "end": "03:31:17", "text": ">> Wow. Oh, I didn't even make that"}, {"start": "03:31:16", "end": "03:31:18", "text": "connection."}, {"start": "03:31:17", "end": "03:31:20", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "03:31:18", "end": "03:31:22", "text": ">> So, I took my took my wife to go see the"}, {"start": "03:31:20", "end": "03:31:24", "text": "see it."}, {"start": "03:31:22", "end": "03:31:26", "text": "And there was a lot of things in there"}, {"start": "03:31:24", "end": "03:31:30", "text": "that I saw that I was picking up on and"}, {"start": "03:31:26", "end": "03:31:30", "text": "and uh"}, {"start": "03:31:31", "end": "03:31:37", "text": "anyway where Roy Ner comes upon when it"}, {"start": "03:31:35", "end": "03:31:39", "text": "when they they're out there the when"}, {"start": "03:31:37", "end": "03:31:40", "text": "he's out with that map in his in his"}, {"start": "03:31:39", "end": "03:31:42", "text": "pickup truck and he's got the flashlight"}, {"start": "03:31:40", "end": "03:31:43", "text": "in his mouth and also the mailbox will"}, {"start": "03:31:42", "end": "03:31:44", "text": "start shaking. Of course that's"}, {"start": "03:31:43", "end": "03:31:49", "text": "Hollywood"}, {"start": "03:31:44", "end": "03:31:49", "text": "uh excitement drama. But"}, {"start": "03:31:50", "end": "03:31:56", "text": "when that crowd came upon him and put"}, {"start": "03:31:53", "end": "03:31:59", "text": "that light on him, it seemed like it it"}, {"start": "03:31:56", "end": "03:32:02", "text": "did something to him. It seemed as if it"}, {"start": "03:31:59", "end": "03:32:05", "text": "got his attention and almost shocked him"}, {"start": "03:32:02", "end": "03:32:08", "text": "in a way that through that light"}, {"start": "03:32:05", "end": "03:32:09", "text": "something was imparted, a knowledge or a"}, {"start": "03:32:08", "end": "03:32:12", "text": "feeling or something that he had to go"}, {"start": "03:32:09", "end": "03:32:15", "text": "after. And it was pyramidal in shape or"}, {"start": "03:32:12", "end": "03:32:17", "text": "that shape of the devil's tower at that"}, {"start": "03:32:15", "end": "03:32:17", "text": "time."}, {"start": "03:32:18", "end": "03:32:20", "text": "When that happened to him, when that"}, {"start": "03:32:19", "end": "03:32:23", "text": "mailbox started shaking and that light"}, {"start": "03:32:20", "end": "03:32:24", "text": "came down on that man,"}, {"start": "03:32:23", "end": "03:32:26", "text": "I didn't see the end of that sequence"}, {"start": "03:32:24", "end": "03:32:28", "text": "cuz I jumped up out of that theater in"}, {"start": "03:32:26", "end": "03:32:31", "text": "Rapid City on Main Street and I hauled"}, {"start": "03:32:28", "end": "03:32:32", "text": "my butt out to the curb where I just had"}, {"start": "03:32:31", "end": "03:32:35", "text": "to gather myself and I left my wife"}, {"start": "03:32:32", "end": "03:32:36", "text": "sitting there cuz I and when she came up"}, {"start": "03:32:35", "end": "03:32:39", "text": "there to me, I just said, \"I feel like"}, {"start": "03:32:36", "end": "03:32:41", "text": "they're telling my life story there.\""}, {"start": "03:32:39", "end": "03:32:42", "text": "That's what I told her. I said, 'I feel"}, {"start": "03:32:41", "end": "03:32:44", "text": "like you're just they're telling my life"}, {"start": "03:32:42", "end": "03:32:46", "text": "story in that movie, and I I can't watch"}, {"start": "03:32:44", "end": "03:32:47", "text": "that right now."}, {"start": "03:32:46", "end": "03:32:49", "text": ">> It was a month after."}, {"start": "03:32:47", "end": "03:32:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "03:32:49", "end": "03:32:52", "text": ">> Yes, sir."}, {"start": "03:32:50", "end": "03:32:53", "text": ">> Him floating in the car with the uh with"}, {"start": "03:32:52", "end": "03:32:55", "text": "the object sort of like lifting in the"}, {"start": "03:32:53", "end": "03:32:59", "text": "car right when that light."}, {"start": "03:32:55", "end": "03:33:01", "text": ">> Same same thing. So, tell me Stephen"}, {"start": "03:32:59", "end": "03:33:04", "text": "Spielberg doesn't have some type of"}, {"start": "03:33:01", "end": "03:33:07", "text": "inside information cuz I thoroughly"}, {"start": "03:33:04", "end": "03:33:10", "text": "believe he does. Absolutely believe he"}, {"start": "03:33:07", "end": "03:33:11", "text": "does. You going to go see a the new one?"}, {"start": "03:33:10", "end": "03:33:12", "text": "Absolutely. The disclosure day."}, {"start": "03:33:11", "end": "03:33:13", "text": ">> I'll buy it."}, {"start": "03:33:12", "end": "03:33:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:33:13", "end": "03:33:15", "text": ">> Yeah, I will buy it."}, {"start": "03:33:14", "end": "03:33:17", "text": ">> I'll go see it with you if we're if"}, {"start": "03:33:15", "end": "03:33:18", "text": "we're in the same part of the world."}, {"start": "03:33:17", "end": "03:33:21", "text": ">> I love it, man. I would absolutely love"}, {"start": "03:33:18", "end": "03:33:23", "text": "that. That would be fantastic."}, {"start": "03:33:21", "end": "03:33:25", "text": ">> But I just had to throw had to get that"}, {"start": "03:33:23", "end": "03:33:27", "text": "in there because it's it's it's uh"}, {"start": "03:33:25", "end": "03:33:30", "text": "that's important cuz I felt that very"}, {"start": "03:33:27", "end": "03:33:31", "text": "same way that he looked and looking upon"}, {"start": "03:33:30", "end": "03:33:34", "text": "myself, you know, it's given me"}, {"start": "03:33:31", "end": "03:33:38", "text": "introspect. You know, I even think about"}, {"start": "03:33:34", "end": "03:33:41", "text": "that craft over November 5 and November"}, {"start": "03:33:38", "end": "03:33:45", "text": "five, not just the size, but the the"}, {"start": "03:33:41", "end": "03:33:45", "text": "proximity or not proximity."}, {"start": "03:33:45", "end": "03:33:51", "text": ">> The closeness of that they could have"}, {"start": "03:33:47", "end": "03:33:56", "text": "gone to nine other sites all twice to"}, {"start": "03:33:51", "end": "03:33:56", "text": "three times as far as November 5 was."}, {"start": "03:33:57", "end": "03:34:02", "text": "How did they know that that launch"}, {"start": "03:33:58", "end": "03:34:05", "text": "control facility was even"}, {"start": "03:34:02", "end": "03:34:07", "text": "even"}, {"start": "03:34:05", "end": "03:34:09", "text": "somehow monitored by that missile at"}, {"start": "03:34:07", "end": "03:34:12", "text": "that missile site? How do how would they"}, {"start": "03:34:09", "end": "03:34:14", "text": "know that? How how would"}, {"start": "03:34:12", "end": "03:34:19", "text": "how could they know that we would"}, {"start": "03:34:14", "end": "03:34:21", "text": "respond to an alarm there? And I mean,"}, {"start": "03:34:19", "end": "03:34:23", "text": "do they just they sit up there and they"}, {"start": "03:34:21", "end": "03:34:25", "text": "can just see all this? Do they see the"}, {"start": "03:34:23", "end": "03:34:29", "text": "connections underground? Well, I mean,"}, {"start": "03:34:25", "end": "03:34:32", "text": "what's their visual aspect of me"}, {"start": "03:34:29", "end": "03:34:34", "text": "flipping those sight lights at them and"}, {"start": "03:34:32", "end": "03:34:37", "text": "from where they're located and which by"}, {"start": "03:34:34", "end": "03:34:40", "text": "the way, all said and done when I"}, {"start": "03:34:37", "end": "03:34:44", "text": "plotted it on Google Earth, November"}, {"start": "03:34:40", "end": "03:34:46", "text": "control or November 1, November 5 to New"}, {"start": "03:34:44", "end": "03:34:47", "text": "Reservoir Dam, it's a Pythagorean"}, {"start": "03:34:46", "end": "03:34:50", "text": "triangle."}, {"start": "03:34:47", "end": "03:34:50", "text": "And"}, {"start": "03:34:52", "end": "03:34:56", "text": "I actually believe they were over New"}, {"start": "03:34:54", "end": "03:34:57", "text": "Lake Reservoir Dam when I first saw"}, {"start": "03:34:56", "end": "03:34:59", "text": "them."}, {"start": "03:34:57", "end": "03:34:59", "text": ">> That's where I think that craft was over"}, {"start": "03:34:59", "end": "03:35:01", "text": "that"}, {"start": "03:34:59", "end": "03:35:03", "text": ">> where they and where they dropped you"}, {"start": "03:35:01", "end": "03:35:05", "text": ">> over that dams where I think they were"}, {"start": "03:35:03", "end": "03:35:07", "text": "initially and then I ended up back"}, {"start": "03:35:05", "end": "03:35:08", "text": "there. I I'm I'm just that's total"}, {"start": "03:35:07", "end": "03:35:10", "text": "speculation,"}, {"start": "03:35:08", "end": "03:35:12", "text": ">> but there's something that just doesn't"}, {"start": "03:35:10", "end": "03:35:13", "text": "make sense as to where they were when I"}, {"start": "03:35:12", "end": "03:35:15", "text": "saw them"}, {"start": "03:35:13", "end": "03:35:18", "text": ">> to what occurred at November 5 to where"}, {"start": "03:35:15", "end": "03:35:21", "text": "I ended up at the back of no of New Lake"}, {"start": "03:35:18", "end": "03:35:22", "text": "Reservoir Dam with Michael Johnson. So,"}, {"start": "03:35:21", "end": "03:35:25", "text": "I just wanted to say that. But yeah,"}, {"start": "03:35:22", "end": "03:35:29", "text": ">> drawing it on on looking at it on a on a"}, {"start": "03:35:25", "end": "03:35:32", "text": "US map, I mean, that is a really strange"}, {"start": "03:35:29", "end": "03:35:36", "text": ">> angle how that and it all encompasses"}, {"start": "03:35:32", "end": "03:35:39", "text": "about 23 and a half miles cuz it's"}, {"start": "03:35:36", "end": "03:35:41", "text": "7 and 12 miles to uh November 5 from"}, {"start": "03:35:39", "end": "03:35:43", "text": "November 1 and then it was 9 and a half"}, {"start": "03:35:41", "end": "03:35:45", "text": "miles to New Lake Reservoir Dam up"}, {"start": "03:35:43", "end": "03:35:47", "text": "Highway 79."}, {"start": "03:35:45", "end": "03:35:48", "text": "So, I just wanted to I just wanted to"}, {"start": "03:35:47", "end": "03:35:49", "text": "bring that up."}, {"start": "03:35:48", "end": "03:35:50", "text": ">> Yeah, it's an interesting"}, {"start": "03:35:49", "end": "03:35:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:35:50", "end": "03:35:53", "text": ">> point of connection. I try to look at"}, {"start": "03:35:52", "end": "03:35:55", "text": "all these different aspects of it."}, {"start": "03:35:53", "end": "03:35:58", "text": ">> Another interesting synchronicity is"}, {"start": "03:35:55", "end": "03:36:00", "text": "that November 5 is the same day that"}, {"start": "03:35:58", "end": "03:36:01", "text": "Travis Walton got taken."}, {"start": "03:36:00", "end": "03:36:04", "text": ">> November 5th. Really?"}, {"start": "03:36:01", "end": "03:36:06", "text": ">> Yeah. In 1975. So two years prior. So"}, {"start": "03:36:04", "end": "03:36:08", "text": "that November 5 is really interesting."}, {"start": "03:36:06", "end": "03:36:13", "text": "And I do believe November 5 is also when"}, {"start": "03:36:08", "end": "03:36:13", "text": "Bob Lazar went to George Knap"}, {"start": "03:36:14", "end": "03:36:17", "text": ">> in on November the 5th."}, {"start": "03:36:15", "end": "03:36:20", "text": ">> Yeah. In '89."}, {"start": "03:36:17", "end": "03:36:21", "text": ">> Wow. So just other synchronicities"}, {"start": "03:36:20", "end": "03:36:23", "text": "there."}, {"start": "03:36:21", "end": "03:36:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "03:36:23", "end": "03:36:30", "text": ">> Anyway, I'm just the whole thing is just"}, {"start": "03:36:26", "end": "03:36:33", "text": "as unreal. Just the whole"}, {"start": "03:36:30", "end": "03:36:35", "text": "48 years of it. Literally."}, {"start": "03:36:33", "end": "03:36:36", "text": ">> Well, I'm glad that you're here to tell"}, {"start": "03:36:35", "end": "03:36:38", "text": "the story."}, {"start": "03:36:36", "end": "03:36:40", "text": ">> Thank you for having me."}, {"start": "03:36:38", "end": "03:36:42", "text": ">> Thank you."}, {"start": "03:36:40", "end": "03:36:46", "text": "Well, I would love to get some of these,"}, {"start": "03:36:42", "end": "03:36:48", "text": "but this thing's behaving wonky. Is it"}, {"start": "03:36:46", "end": "03:36:51", "text": "related? I mean your guess is as good as"}, {"start": "03:36:48", "end": "03:36:53", "text": "mine. Um I will I will ask one of the"}, {"start": "03:36:51", "end": "03:36:53", "text": "questions here just because you know you"}, {"start": "03:36:53", "end": "03:36:54", "text": "guys"}, {"start": "03:36:53", "end": "03:36:57", "text": ">> sure"}, {"start": "03:36:54", "end": "03:36:59", "text": ">> um and slug your question here was what"}, {"start": "03:36:57", "end": "03:37:03", "text": "do you want other military witnesses who"}, {"start": "03:36:59", "end": "03:37:03", "text": "are still silent to know."}, {"start": "03:37:04", "end": "03:37:09", "text": ">> I would help them in any way possible."}, {"start": "03:37:07", "end": "03:37:12", "text": "They could email me anything they'd like"}, {"start": "03:37:09", "end": "03:37:14", "text": "to say would never be divulged or sent"}, {"start": "03:37:12", "end": "03:37:16", "text": "out to anybody else ever. If you just"}, {"start": "03:37:14", "end": "03:37:18", "text": "need someone to talk to about it, I'd be"}, {"start": "03:37:16", "end": "03:37:22", "text": "more than happy to listen to you. Or you"}, {"start": "03:37:18", "end": "03:37:24", "text": "can email me at mwoods175gmail.com"}, {"start": "03:37:22", "end": "03:37:25", "text": "and I'll be happy to answer you. It may"}, {"start": "03:37:24", "end": "03:37:29", "text": "take me a little while to get to it. It"}, {"start": "03:37:25", "end": "03:37:31", "text": "usually does after some type of cast."}, {"start": "03:37:29", "end": "03:37:34", "text": ">> I I I always put my email out there for"}, {"start": "03:37:31", "end": "03:37:36", "text": "people. So, but I would be happy to help"}, {"start": "03:37:34", "end": "03:37:40", "text": "you in any way, fashion, or form. And if"}, {"start": "03:37:36", "end": "03:37:40", "text": "you don't feel like reaching out,"}, {"start": "03:37:41", "end": "03:37:46", "text": "just sit down and take a full collection"}, {"start": "03:37:43", "end": "03:37:48", "text": "of yourself. Take some deep breaths and"}, {"start": "03:37:46", "end": "03:37:50", "text": "just and just know that you're not"}, {"start": "03:37:48", "end": "03:37:51", "text": "alone."}, {"start": "03:37:50", "end": "03:37:53", "text": "And that if you do reach out, somebody"}, {"start": "03:37:51", "end": "03:37:55", "text": "will help. Somebody will help you. And"}, {"start": "03:37:53", "end": "03:38:00", "text": "not everybody will talk about you and"}, {"start": "03:37:55", "end": "03:38:00", "text": "nobody will ever make you feel bad."}, {"start": "03:38:01", "end": "03:38:05", "text": "If if if you need to reach out for any"}, {"start": "03:38:03", "end": "03:38:07", "text": "reason there there are there are good"}, {"start": "03:38:05", "end": "03:38:10", "text": "people in this field that can help you"}, {"start": "03:38:07", "end": "03:38:13", "text": "and you may know some other than myself"}, {"start": "03:38:10", "end": "03:38:16", "text": "or or even or Chris or anybody else."}, {"start": "03:38:13", "end": "03:38:19", "text": "Just just don't lock yourself up. Don't"}, {"start": "03:38:16", "end": "03:38:22", "text": "take it out on your family."}, {"start": "03:38:19", "end": "03:38:25", "text": "Uh and level with your wives. Don't"}, {"start": "03:38:22", "end": "03:38:27", "text": "don't hide that."}, {"start": "03:38:25", "end": "03:38:29", "text": "Don't ever hide it because it it comes"}, {"start": "03:38:27", "end": "03:38:32", "text": "out in other ways and there's no you"}, {"start": "03:38:29", "end": "03:38:34", "text": "have no control in inevitably."}, {"start": "03:38:32", "end": "03:38:38", "text": "It's an emotion that we just don't have."}, {"start": "03:38:34", "end": "03:38:38", "text": "We just can't keep in check yet."}, {"start": "03:38:38", "end": "03:38:44", "text": "So, so"}, {"start": "03:38:41", "end": "03:38:46", "text": "serve yourself well. Just know people"}, {"start": "03:38:44", "end": "03:38:48", "text": "care and if you want to reach out, reach"}, {"start": "03:38:46", "end": "03:38:50", "text": "out."}, {"start": "03:38:48", "end": "03:38:53", "text": "I appreciate that. and you're about to"}, {"start": "03:38:50", "end": "03:38:55", "text": "have a full-time job answering emails, I"}, {"start": "03:38:53", "end": "03:38:58", "text": "suspect after this podcast. Mario Woods,"}, {"start": "03:38:55", "end": "03:39:00", "text": "I want to thank you so much for, you"}, {"start": "03:38:58", "end": "03:39:02", "text": "know, your cander just opening up. Um,"}, {"start": "03:39:00", "end": "03:39:06", "text": "being"}, {"start": "03:39:02", "end": "03:39:09", "text": "so open is uh is really really much"}, {"start": "03:39:06", "end": "03:39:12", "text": "needed and uh it takes a lot of bravery,"}, {"start": "03:39:09", "end": "03:39:14", "text": "a lot of courage, a lot of a lot of I"}, {"start": "03:39:12", "end": "03:39:16", "text": "mean a lot of the X factor that you seem"}, {"start": "03:39:14", "end": "03:39:20", "text": "to have. So, I'm very very thankful that"}, {"start": "03:39:16", "end": "03:39:23", "text": "you uh came forward with this and I wish"}, {"start": "03:39:20", "end": "03:39:24", "text": "you nothing but the best in Egypt and I"}, {"start": "03:39:23", "end": "03:39:25", "text": "can't wait to hear about your"}, {"start": "03:39:24", "end": "03:39:26", "text": "adventures,"}, {"start": "03:39:25", "end": "03:39:27", "text": ">> man."}, {"start": "03:39:26", "end": "03:39:29", "text": ">> And if there's anything at all that you"}, {"start": "03:39:27", "end": "03:39:30", "text": "need from me, you just let me know."}, {"start": "03:39:29", "end": "03:39:33", "text": ">> You know, I will and I really appreciate"}, {"start": "03:39:30", "end": "03:39:36", "text": "that, Chris. You're awesome, brother."}, {"start": "03:39:33", "end": "03:39:36", "text": "Awesome."}, {"start": "03:39:39", "end": "03:39:42", "text": "Heat. Heat."}]

[{"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "Hey, Travis."}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:31", "text": ">> Hey, Bob. How's it going? No, not bad. I"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "haven't seen you in a while."}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": ">> How long did it take you to get here?"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> Um, quite a while. It was quite a a"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "trip, but uh enjoyed the scenery."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> What have you been doing these days?"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:49", "text": ">> Just working around the house and uh as"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "far as UFOs are concerned, as little as"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "possible."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": ">> I I hear you there."}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:55", "text": ">> Good afternoon, gentlemen."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> Hey there."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": ">> Can I offer you guys some coffee, tea,"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "water? Oh, absolutely. Coffee. I'll have"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "uh the tea. Sugar only."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": ">> Tea. Sure. If you want. Uh we have a"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "chocolate pie and an apricot pie. I can"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "come back later."}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Apricot pie."}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:10", "text": ">> Yeah. You want a piece of that? Okay."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "Sure."}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> Never turn it down."}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:13", "text": ">> Yeah. Apricot times two."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Hey, I always wanted to ask you"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "something."}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> The um"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "Yeah. the"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "humanlike beings that you saw."}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> What made you so sure that they weren't"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "human?"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:46", "text": ">> Well, the um sort of rigid u"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "pre-planned u movements, the controlled"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "movements. Oh, so they didn't they"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "didn't move"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:57", "text": ">> well like like they should, but um"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "um I'm in a panic screaming, yelling and"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "everything. Sure."}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": ">> And they're just maintaining just"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "they're cool, calm, and collected and uh"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "just"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "on task,"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> but but physically they're I mean,"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:12", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": ">> they just seem like uh"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": ">> I think that was the intention. M"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:18", "text": ">> uh the plan is"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": ">> maybe to make you more comfortable"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> something make me cooperate. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> Yeah. It was I had recently looked at"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "Fire in the Sky the movie."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:36", "text": ">> And um in fact I was trying to show my"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "wife Joy your story and holy cow there"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "is so much contradicting information."}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:45", "text": ">> Yeah. about about everything. Every"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "single thing you look at tells a"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "different story and they're all wrong."}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "Thanks."}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I understand that, you know,"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "Hollywood dramatizations are not"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "documentaries, but I think they went a"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "little too far a field and they knew it."}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": ">> So, how they knew it?"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> Yeah. They didn't put the part aboard"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "the craft in the copy of the script that"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "they gave me."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:10", "text": ">> Really?"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": ">> Yeah. So, I mean, just"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": ">> they knew I wasn't going to like that."}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:16", "text": ">> That the whole thing with you in the"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "membrane and the dead bodies and them"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "drilling in your eye, none of that."}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:22", "text": ">> They just fabricated all that. And you"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "didn't know about that ahead of time,"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:30", "text": ">> That's That's unbelievable."}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": ">> Well, there's a few things that could be"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "classified as a story device. The"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "membrane over the actor's face. He's"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "struggling to breathe. struggling to"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "screen through it. Um I was in my actual"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "experience uh feeling suffocated and"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "you know uh how do you express that if"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "you don't have the actor say something"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "like I can't breathe. So"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> I get I think you're being generous."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> Show it rather than tell it. But yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> Uh,"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> you said it was a real like a super"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "humid environment where it was hard to"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "to breathe and"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "It was"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "it it served the purpose of uh"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "generating fear and that's as probably"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "as close as you can"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:28", "text": ">> get for what they did there. What what"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "was interesting to me is the"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "the size of the craft that you were in"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "or if it was a craft or a base or or"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "whatever because when you exited when"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "you got away and now I may I may have"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "the story wrong myself. When you walked"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "out of the craft being led by this other"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "being, you were in some giant hanger"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "with other crafts, right? Uh, even the"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "craft we were coming out of seemed"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "bigger than the way I remembered it in"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "in when I approached it."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> Did you think it was the same craft?"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:04", "text": ">> It was the same shape."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:06", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:10", "text": ">> But, you know, uh, it's also the same"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "shape as what you're reporting. Uh, uh,"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "I've always been struck by reports uh,"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "descriptions of your craft um,"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "resemble what we saw."}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "more than any other report that I've"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "seen. You know,"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:29", "text": ">> that's really interesting."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": ">> I I rarely comment on other events or"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "other people's reports, but that's one"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "that I've always u found interesting and"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "didn't mind saying before."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "What caught my attention, I think one of"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "the times you were describing the craft,"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "it had archways in it. Is that that"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "correct? You saw"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": ">> Well, the archways,"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:11", "text": ">> doorways and connecting"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "um surfaces between wall and ceiling and"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "that sort of stuff weren't corners."}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "They, you know,"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> okay,"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:22", "text": ">> were rounded. the the craft itself, was"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "it the the skin? Was it"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "made of archways? Was it like a looked"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "like a support system or"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:32", "text": ">> Well,"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "I was um it looked very angular from"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "outside from a distance and my uh I was"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "preoccupied with the feeling of threat,"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "you know."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Yeah. I'm I'm sure you didn't have time"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "really to"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> study the architecture."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, that's uh"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "yeah, I thought they might have been"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "similar in that way. But that um did you"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "have any kind of feeling of where that"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "craft might be? What this big thing was?"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "Did it feel like it was,"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "you know, you were"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:10", "text": ">> I couldn't see outside the the light"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "that was coming through the surface of"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "the larger"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "enclosure. Now whether that was a"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "building somewhere"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "maybe on Earth or somewhere else or part"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "of a larger craft I don't know I"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "couldn't see outside but it it was very"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "natural colored light kind of like"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "sunlight."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": ">> Oh okay."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "That it seemed it seemed natural not"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "artificial like it was."}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": ">> Yeah. So"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": ">> not extremely bright but just uh like"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "natural light. But it was large enough"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "to hold what was it two or three crafts"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "in there with more"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:51", "text": ">> room. Again, I was promised with where"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "are you taking me? What's going on? You"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "know, I felt like I was suffocating,"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "like I was dying. I was injured and I"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "was begging, pleading for explanations"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "from this person that I think was"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "probably selected for the purpose of"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "reassuring me, getting my cooperation."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "I guess that that kind of worked to some"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "degree."}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": ">> Yeah, it did."}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:17", "text": ">> But um he never uttered a word. You"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "never heard"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": ">> No, he didn't respond."}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:27", "text": ">> None of them did. Uh"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "even, you know, when I started to demand"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "more of a response from them."}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> That's really interesting."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "the uh the time from when"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "Well, I have a lot of questions. They're"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "kind of jumbled in my mind."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": ">> Well, I'm I'm here."}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. I've I've heard so many"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "theories about it, but when you guys,"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "you know, all got out of the truck"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "to see the craft, um everybody else got"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "back and you stayed there. No, actually"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "I got out of the truck and none of the"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "rest of them did."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> Oh, okay. See,"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> so you just went out to investigate."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "Everybody else stayed behind."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> And that kind of led to some uh strange"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "reactions. Uh Steve, uh he he was in the"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "truck and he didn't get out. And his"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "girlfriends would say, \"Steve, how come"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "you didn't get out of the truck?\""}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "And he he said, \"It's because I had"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "stronger resistance to mind control.\""}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "He's claiming that mind control made uh"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "us get out of the truck, but he"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "resisted. I said, \"Steve, the mind"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "control was to make you stay in the"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "truck. I was the one that was resisting"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "it.\" Just kidding, you know. But uh"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": ">> uh it wasn't mind control, but he was"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "trying to act like he had to come up"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "with an excuse for why he didn't jump"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "out, too."}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:02", "text": ">> Yeah. He needed to be a tough guy."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": ">> I I No. Well, I wished I'd have done it"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "like him and stayed in the truck."}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, so you got behind a a tree"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "stump or something to that effect to"}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "kind of hide."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:19", "text": ">> And one of the theories I heard was"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "the craft was about to take off. You I"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "think you said you heard a hum like it"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "was powering up."}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> Yeah. And it got louder. The sound was"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "all already there."}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:36", "text": ">> And then I think somebody was calling"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "back in the truck and you stood up and"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "then you got hit by there was a beam, a"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "bolt or something from there and you"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "were and you went flying"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> and you go like 20 ft high or something"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "like that."}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": ">> Yeah. They they were all screaming,"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "swearing at me to get in the truck, you"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "know, calling me crazy and"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "which was foolish. Yeah. I can't argue"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "with that."}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:02", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, we all do crazy stuff at"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "times,"}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": ">> but getting thrown them witnessing that"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "the getting hit by the bolt flying in"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "the sky, they assumed by the time you"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "hit the ground you were dead, which is"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "why they took off."}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": ">> Yeah. They said, \"He's dead. He's dead."}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "Let's let's get out of here.\" That's"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "what they tell me. I wasn't there."}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:27", "text": ">> Yeah. You were you were offline, so to"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "speak. So, uh, the theory that I heard"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "was, you know, from the aliens point of"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "view, the craft was just taking off. You"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "stood up. It just accidentally"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "discharged on you and killed you."}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": ">> And this, the reason they brought you on"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "was more like an an"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": ">> an ambulance move was just to bring you"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "back,"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": ">> reanimate you. Have you you've heard"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "that? That accident occurred because I"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "made a foolish move, you know, standing"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "up, closed the distance between me and"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "it and uh this discharge happened."}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> H"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:05", "text": ">> I I could feel a strange charge in the"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "air before I even got, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:07", "text": ">> Oh, that's interesting."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> but I didn't know I didn't know whether"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "it was from all these weird sounds it"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "was making or, you know, something some"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "energy emanating from the craft itself."}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "But when I stood up, that was when my"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:28", "text": "head uh was the closest to the surface"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "of it. And then the the blast of energy."}, {"start": "00:12:28", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "Now, I didn't see the energy, you know,"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> you just stood up and bam, the lights"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "on."}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:42", "text": ">> The crew describes it in different ways."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "Uh, one guy described it as a foot wide"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "beam, like a laser beam. Another said it"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "looked like a long blue flame."}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "So uh"}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:59", "text": ">> h it it was basically different words"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "used to describe the same uh visual."}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> How how far was"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "your head from the craft the edge of the"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "craft at that time? Your your guess"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "before it?"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": ">> Oh it was only like you know 5t less"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "than 10 ft away."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": ">> I was okay. I thought I don't know"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": ">> I thought it was like 50 or 60 feet"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "away. No, no, a lot closer than that."}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:26", "text": ">> So, you were right right alongside the"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "craft. So, that's"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": ">> um the the increase in sound and the"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "motion scared me. And when I jumped for"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "cover, cover happened to be closer to"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "it. So I I got down behind the log there"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "the screams to get out of there, get"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "back in the truck um got louder and uh I"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "didn't need to be told. was"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "uh sort of torn between the fear of um"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:01", "text": ">> being discovered maybe"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:04", "text": ">> coming out from under uh cover or"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "um but I was going to run back to the"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "truck and bam"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "just felt this electric shock stunning"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "force go through my body. If if you ever"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "been hit playing football or something,"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "you didn't see it coming. That stunning"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "sort of it's a feeling of being stunned,"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "you know."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:27", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> And of course, I know what electric"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "shock feels like, too."}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "if you're enjoying your time at the"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "Flying Saucer Diner, take it with you."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "From hats to tees,"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "mugs to this highquality canvas apron"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "available now."}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": ">> So no idea the time once you were out,"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "you were out and the next thing you knew"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "you woke up inside. So"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:15:00", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:05", "text": ">> you know what? One of my wonders is u I"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "5 days is such a long time to be gone."}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "you know, where did the time occur? Did"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": ">> Did they bring you right back into the"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "craft then? And"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:17", "text": ">> I'd like to know."}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Was I partially revived"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "immediately and then I woke up much"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "later or somewhere in the middle of the"}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "5 days"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "or"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "was was that waking up on board the"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "craft uh almost uh immediately after I"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "was taken aboard?"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:42", "text": ">> Yeah. And what was done over five days?"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "There's no you you have no physical"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "effects. I mean, after all these years"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "or"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:51", "text": ">> Well, there was one artifact,"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "brain wave scan."}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:53", "text": ">> Oh, really? Didn't know you had that"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "done."}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:16:00", "text": ">> Yeah. World famous uh"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "brain trauma center."}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:07", "text": "Barrows Neurological"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "did the scan. It's where Muhammad Ali"}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "went when he uh developed problems with"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "brain."}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "And um"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "I still have the chart the the print"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:23", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:25", "text": "Um because there was such hysteria and"}, {"start": "00:16:23", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "and just"}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "a massive attention"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "um they put me"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "in Taros under an assumed name."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": ">> Really? Yeah. To avoid media attention,"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "which was fortunate because it sort of"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "served as a double blind on"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:46", "text": ">> the readings that they were going to get"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "on the brain waste."}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:54", "text": ">> That's a good point. So they found this"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "unusual pattern the the U technician"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "described and"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "I still have the report but it's um an"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "alternating"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:10", "text": "wave um"}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "moving from front to back something"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "along that line. It's really curious. I'"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "I'd love to see a comparison between"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "that and maybe someone who's had other"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "kinds of head trauma or electric shock,"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "maybe somebody who's been hit by"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "lightning."}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:33", "text": ">> But I had a subsequent u um brain wave"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "scan that u where that was no longer"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "there. So it may have been some residual"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:44", "text": "effect of the healing that uh I was"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "provided. When did you have I mean from"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "the time of the incident to the"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "brainwave scan was that"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": ">> all the stuff was almost immediately you"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:53", "text": "know the"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:54", "text": ">> oh it wasn't months later it was right"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "you know"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:58", "text": ">> the doctors um"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "that u"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "were in on this you know there the next"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "day and Dr. uh harder"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "uh who performed it uh regressive"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "hypnosis."}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "I was so lucky that it was him that did"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "it because he did it in a style, a"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "technique"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "to where I was put under as an observer"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "to what was happening to me rather than"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "the experiencer."}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:35", "text": ">> Huh. And uh the reason I'm uh in"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "hindsight grateful for that is because"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "one of the crew members went through"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "hypnosis where"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "he was directed to relive it and it was"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "hugely traumatic for him. I mean"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:57", "text": ">> the description of his"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "body u movements and um"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:02", "text": ">> I would imagine"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:04", "text": ">> reaction was it was probably pretty"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:07", "text": "pretty horrible for him to reexperience"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "at that it was not necessary to"}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:14", "text": ">> um get at the memory of what happened. H"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "did you find anything out through"}, {"start": "00:19:14", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "hypnosis that you you didn't I mean"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:19", "text": "sometimes it reveals some things here"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "and there. Was there anything?"}, {"start": "00:19:19", "end": "00:19:26", "text": ">> It served a purpose in the sense that"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "what I recalled"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "I I hadn't I was unable to communicate."}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "I hadn't even told my brother what had"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "happened. I couldn't I was just so"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "extremely traumatized. So it removed"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:45", "text": "that to where I could actually"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "talk about it without"}, {"start": "00:19:45", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "um secondary negative effect. You know,"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:56", "text": ">> that that really aided in my recovery a"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "lot."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "Dr. Harter was uh amazingly"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "calming in the in his technique."}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "got rid of a lot of that fear that was I"}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "was living with every day."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:12", "text": ">> Perfect timing."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": ">> There's sugar there as well if you need."}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:17", "text": ">> Oh, thank you."}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "Thanks."}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:24", "text": ">> Well, that's that's good to hear."}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "That something helps because that's a"}, {"start": "00:20:24", "end": "00:20:27", "text": "monumental trauma."}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:20:27", "end": "00:20:32", "text": "But it didn't it didn't reveal anything"}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:34", "text": "that you had forgotten or didn't"}, {"start": "00:20:32", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "couldn't"}, {"start": "00:20:34", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "pull out of your memory."}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:39", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:40", "text": ">> Okay. So everything was pretty much"}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:41", "text": "while you were conscious."}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:46", "text": ">> You remember everything pretty clearly"}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:53", "text": ">> in a a sort of cryptic way. you know, I"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:55", "text": "had to"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:59", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:20:55", "end": "00:21:02", "text": "conclude certain things based on events."}, {"start": "00:20:59", "end": "00:21:06", "text": "You know, this must be the the case. But"}, {"start": "00:21:02", "end": "00:21:10", "text": "I do try to distinguish between what I'm"}, {"start": "00:21:06", "end": "00:21:12", "text": "directly experiencing, perceiving, and"}, {"start": "00:21:10", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "what I figure probably"}, {"start": "00:21:12", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "explains what I experienced."}, {"start": "00:21:18", "end": "00:21:22", "text": "Are you still in contact with any other"}, {"start": "00:21:21", "end": "00:21:24", "text": "guys? Well, you said"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:27", "text": ">> I I tried to stay in contact with all of"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:29", "text": "them and rightly um"}, {"start": "00:21:27", "end": "00:21:30", "text": ">> you said a few of them are have died,"}, {"start": "00:21:29", "end": "00:21:33", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:21:30", "end": "00:21:35", "text": ">> Yeah, they did. And uh you know, I"}, {"start": "00:21:33", "end": "00:21:38", "text": "contacted Dwayne Smith and I said, \"Hey,"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:41", "text": "I'd like you to come out and speak with"}, {"start": "00:21:38", "end": "00:21:43", "text": "me.\" And he says, \"Sure.\" Uh you know, I"}, {"start": "00:21:41", "end": "00:21:47", "text": "said, \"But I'm looking really terrible."}, {"start": "00:21:43", "end": "00:21:49", "text": "I'm having my teeth redone. So, let's"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "after I get my teeth redone, I'll I'll"}, {"start": "00:21:49", "end": "00:21:53", "text": "come out and speak with you."}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:53", "text": ">> And then he passed away right after"}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:55", "text": "that."}, {"start": "00:21:53", "end": "00:21:57", "text": ">> Oh, sorry to hear that."}, {"start": "00:21:55", "end": "00:22:00", "text": ">> Yeah, it was sad. I I did tape the"}, {"start": "00:21:57", "end": "00:22:03", "text": "conversation though and hear this many"}, {"start": "00:22:00", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "years later. you know, his memory was"}, {"start": "00:22:03", "end": "00:22:11", "text": "fresh and uh as you know, in sync with"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:12", "text": "whatever the the rest of us"}, {"start": "00:22:11", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:22:12", "end": "00:22:15", "text": ">> were there any hard feelings between you"}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": "and any of the other"}, {"start": "00:22:15", "end": "00:22:21", "text": ">> I think some you know it developed over"}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:24", "text": "time. At first Mike would come out and"}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:27", "text": "speak with me or and Steve, but then"}, {"start": "00:22:24", "end": "00:22:30", "text": "Steve started to get sort of resentful"}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:33", "text": "about it. Uh"}, {"start": "00:22:30", "end": "00:22:36", "text": "he was asked uh by one interviewer"}, {"start": "00:22:33", "end": "00:22:40", "text": "uh uh was there anything you would"}, {"start": "00:22:36", "end": "00:22:44", "text": "change about the experience if you could"}, {"start": "00:22:40", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "and he said yeah crank up the voltage"}, {"start": "00:22:44", "end": "00:22:48", "text": "like he's wishing it killed me I have"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "stayed dead or something I don't know it"}, {"start": "00:22:48", "end": "00:22:50", "text": "wasn't funny to me but"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:54", "text": ">> wow"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:56", "text": ">> so he quit coming out with us when when"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:57", "text": "the girls would say how come you didn't"}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "get out of the truck"}, {"start": "00:22:57", "end": "00:23:03", "text": ">> hm And then he developed he he tried to"}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:07", "text": "come up with alternate explanations."}, {"start": "00:23:03", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "Okay. You know, I mean, at first, you"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "know, every time he got a new"}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:14", "text": "girlfriend, he'd take a new polygraph"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:17", "text": "test and prove it all over again. And"}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:19", "text": "then he started trying to say, well, it"}, {"start": "00:23:17", "end": "00:23:22", "text": "happened just the way we described it,"}, {"start": "00:23:19", "end": "00:23:25", "text": "but it was really the government and not"}, {"start": "00:23:22", "end": "00:23:27", "text": "aliens. Made it easier to cope with. I"}, {"start": "00:23:25", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "think that was a sort of a"}, {"start": "00:23:27", "end": "00:23:29", "text": ">> Well, yeah, it's more of a downto-"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:32", "text": "earthth explanation,"}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": ">> a way that he doesn't have to be afraid"}, {"start": "00:23:32", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "at night kind of a thing."}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:37", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:39", "text": ">> And and one other thing that developed"}, {"start": "00:23:37", "end": "00:23:41", "text": "with Steve, I felt sorry for him, was"}, {"start": "00:23:39", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "that uh"}, {"start": "00:23:41", "end": "00:23:47", "text": "I was told by the other crewman that he"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:50", "text": "was one of the ones who was crying when"}, {"start": "00:23:47", "end": "00:23:53", "text": "when the lawman came."}, {"start": "00:23:50", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "Well, that was fine with Steve at first."}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:55", "text": "Oh, and he doesn't want that spread"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:23:57", "text": "around."}, {"start": "00:23:55", "end": "00:23:59", "text": ">> And then his cousin, I think his uncle,"}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:01", "text": "one of a relative, started teasing him"}, {"start": "00:23:59", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "about being a big crybaby."}, {"start": "00:24:01", "end": "00:24:06", "text": ">> And so,"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:08", "text": ">> he got real angry about, \"No, I wasn't"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:09", "text": "crying. I never cried. I was strong the"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:10", "text": "whole time.\""}, {"start": "00:24:09", "end": "00:24:12", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": ">> And so, that was his big beef. He he"}, {"start": "00:24:12", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "demanded that I have the book reprinted"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:17", "text": "to take that out. I said, \"Look,"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": ">> holy cow.\""}, {"start": "00:24:17", "end": "00:24:22", "text": ">> I said, \"Steve, I wasn't there. I was"}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:26", "text": "just going by what the others told me."}, {"start": "00:24:22", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "Yeah, Mike cried. He's not ashamed of"}, {"start": "00:24:26", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "that. He admits to that."}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:33", "text": ">> Yeah, that's that's very cryworthy."}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": ">> Yeah, I said I cried. Mike cried. You"}, {"start": "00:24:33", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "know, I don't know how many of the"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "others, but"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:45", "text": ">> he's not a crybaby. He's He was strong."}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:45", "text": "He just doesn't know it."}, {"start": "00:24:55", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "I asked that because sometimes, you"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "know, when you especially once you start"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "getting a lot of attention, obviously"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:04", "text": "you got the most attention of any of"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "them the guys there."}, {"start": "00:25:04", "end": "00:25:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:10", "text": ">> Um, you know, hard feelings develop."}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:11", "text": ">> I had that in friends and acquaintances"}, {"start": "00:25:10", "end": "00:25:14", "text": "that"}, {"start": "00:25:11", "end": "00:25:16", "text": ">> when you know documentaries are being"}, {"start": "00:25:14", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "made about me. Yeah. Hey, you didn't"}, {"start": "00:25:16", "end": "00:25:21", "text": "include me and you know what the hell"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:23", "text": "and well, you really weren't part of it."}, {"start": "00:25:21", "end": "00:25:25", "text": "Yeah, but I knew you back then and you"}, {"start": "00:25:23", "end": "00:25:27", "text": "know and then the hard feelings started."}, {"start": "00:25:25", "end": "00:25:27", "text": ">> I'm sorry. I can't help it. You know,"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:29", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:25:27", "end": "00:25:31", "text": ">> when when Steve said crank up the"}, {"start": "00:25:29", "end": "00:25:35", "text": "voltage and they quit coming out with"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "me, there was jealousy. I can understand"}, {"start": "00:25:35", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "being a part of something so incredible"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:44", "text": "and then"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "media or curious people have questions"}, {"start": "00:25:44", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "and they rush right past the witnesses"}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "to the main guy and I I can't help it."}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:25:59", "text": "so a lot of jealousy developed with um"}, {"start": "00:25:57", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "at least Steve and Mike."}, {"start": "00:25:59", "end": "00:26:04", "text": ">> And then well then you know my case then"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "you start getting the detractors"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:08", "text": "that start looking for those people."}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:11", "text": "Anybody that was close to you that has"}, {"start": "00:26:08", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "any negative thoughts and they you know"}, {"start": "00:26:11", "end": "00:26:15", "text": "hey can you give us some dirt on them or"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "they're just trying to create a"}, {"start": "00:26:15", "end": "00:26:17", "text": "narrative that"}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:26:17", "end": "00:26:23", "text": ">> contradicts you and it's uh"}, {"start": "00:26:20", "end": "00:26:25", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, it makes them easier to"}, {"start": "00:26:23", "end": "00:26:29", "text": "manipulate. And some of that happened."}, {"start": "00:26:25", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "You know, one uh detractor"}, {"start": "00:26:29", "end": "00:26:39", "text": "uh tracked Steve down. He he he uh"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:42", "text": "um had changed to his"}, {"start": "00:26:39", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "real name. The tractor took him out to d"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:48", "text": "dinner and tried to talk him into taking"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:50", "text": "a $10,000 bribe to say it was all made"}, {"start": "00:26:48", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "up."}, {"start": "00:26:50", "end": "00:26:55", "text": "Well, Steve got a free dinner, but he"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:58", "text": "didn't get $10,000."}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:27:04", "text": ">> And uh that sort of pressure was"}, {"start": "00:26:58", "end": "00:27:06", "text": "something that was used on Mike, too."}, {"start": "00:27:04", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:27:06", "end": "00:27:10", "text": ">> did Steve tell you that right after it"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "happened? Getting"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Other researchers also, you know,"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:19", "text": "interviewed him and asked about things"}, {"start": "00:27:15", "end": "00:27:21", "text": "like that. But um"}, {"start": "00:27:19", "end": "00:27:24", "text": "um that's to be expected. But you would"}, {"start": "00:27:21", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "think, man, you're part of something"}, {"start": "00:27:24", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "like this. Mess it up by trying to do"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "something to attack somebody just cuz"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "you're not the middle of the story. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:40", "text": "come on. You know, I wish I wasn't."}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:42", "text": "Look, the movie uh was about the crew"}, {"start": "00:27:40", "end": "00:27:46", "text": "boss. I wasn't there for most of the"}, {"start": "00:27:42", "end": "00:27:49", "text": "movie. So, my my the actor who played me"}, {"start": "00:27:46", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "had a minor role, the crew boss. And"}, {"start": "00:27:49", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "that's good point."}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:57", "text": ">> And some of the other uh"}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:28:00", "text": "um people on the crew had a lot more"}, {"start": "00:27:57", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "worldwide attention than me. I was just"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:05", "text": "the guy it happened to. H"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "a lot of times gone by. I mean decades."}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:18", "text": "What year was that in"}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:21", "text": ">> 1975?"}, {"start": "00:28:18", "end": "00:28:24", "text": ">> It was 75. Yeah. I mean, holy cow,"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:26", "text": "that's a long time ago. Is this"}, {"start": "00:28:24", "end": "00:28:28", "text": ">> ever enter your mind anymore or is it"}, {"start": "00:28:26", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "just people asking you that kind of"}, {"start": "00:28:28", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "brings it back?"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:34", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I'm constantly asked about"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:35", "text": "it. So yeah, as much as I try to forget"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:37", "text": "it,"}, {"start": "00:28:35", "end": "00:28:40", "text": ">> I get reminded a lot."}, {"start": "00:28:37", "end": "00:28:42", "text": ">> Are you recognized when you go"}, {"start": "00:28:40", "end": "00:28:44", "text": ">> happens? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:45", "text": ">> Are you wondering if that's why I grew"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "my beard back again?"}, {"start": "00:28:45", "end": "00:28:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "time goes by,"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:29:00", "text": "but you know over time"}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:05", "text": "um the debunkers have sort of crumbled"}, {"start": "00:29:00", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "away being self-discredited and uh more"}, {"start": "00:29:05", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "positive evidence comes up. You know,"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:11", "text": "scientific investigation at the site and"}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "those sorts of things,"}, {"start": "00:29:11", "end": "00:29:17", "text": ">> but I guess debunkers are um always a"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:18", "text": "part of it."}, {"start": "00:29:17", "end": "00:29:21", "text": ">> They are. I think they're just trying to"}, {"start": "00:29:18", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "like anytime there's something of"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:26", "text": "notoriety happening, you always have"}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:28", "text": "people that are just will grab onto the"}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:30", "text": "coattails so they can get dragged along"}, {"start": "00:29:28", "end": "00:29:31", "text": "with it. And if something's getting a"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:33", "text": "lot of attention, they go, \"Oh, no. I"}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:36", "text": "know this the true story. This is a"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:39", "text": "bunch of nonsense.\" And um"}, {"start": "00:29:36", "end": "00:29:41", "text": ">> well, as support for my case grew over"}, {"start": "00:29:39", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "time,"}, {"start": "00:29:41", "end": "00:29:47", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:50", "text": "investigators and media started wanting"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "me to comment on other cases"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:55", "text": "and I"}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:57", "text": ">> had my hands full with my own case. I"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:30:00", "text": "and I and I knew that if I gave into"}, {"start": "00:29:57", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "that, if I started commenting, okay,"}, {"start": "00:30:00", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "which cases are the good ones, which"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:08", "text": "ones are the, you know, it would never"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:10", "text": "end. I I would be put in a position of"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "passing judgment on people. I said,"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:18", "text": "that's not right. What I what I objected"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "to so much in my attackers was that they"}, {"start": "00:30:18", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "hadn't done the research. If you can't"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "research the case thoroughly, you're not"}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:28", "text": "entitled to make opinions. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:30", "text": ">> However, you know, in your case, I I"}, {"start": "00:30:28", "end": "00:30:34", "text": "sort of broke that rule. You know,"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:38", "text": "people who expect expressed negative"}, {"start": "00:30:34", "end": "00:30:41", "text": "things I can't uh"}, {"start": "00:30:38", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "break my rule of u supporting other"}, {"start": "00:30:41", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "cases. I did say, but"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "the description of the craft that Bob"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "Lazar saw is the closest to what we saw"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:59", "text": "than any other case I've ever heard of."}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:00", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:30:59", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "and then there were other silly"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "arguments I had to shoot down because"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:07", "text": "they were just so silly. Well, Bob can't"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "be telling the truth because I checked"}, {"start": "00:31:07", "end": "00:31:13", "text": "the phone book at uh Area 51 and he's"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:17", "text": "not in the phone book. And I said, \"Come"}, {"start": "00:31:13", "end": "00:31:19", "text": "on, it's secret. They don't put the"}, {"start": "00:31:17", "end": "00:31:21", "text": "number in the what's in the Bomb Lazar"}, {"start": "00:31:19", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "secret department.\" You know, that was"}, {"start": "00:31:21", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "the silliest attack. One of the silly."}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:30", "text": "But you know, I met some people say they"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "used to go out and uh party with you"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "guys in the desert uh before you ever"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "came out. And uh they said Bob was"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "telling us that story way back then"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:44", "text": "before anybody knew anything. So I I"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:47", "text": "consider that something that really"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:51", "text": "supported your credibility."}, {"start": "00:31:47", "end": "00:31:51", "text": ">> Yeah, it's uh"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "I don't know. There's a lot."}, {"start": "00:31:54", "end": "00:32:02", "text": ">> Well, they knew you to be employed at"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:02", "text": "Area 51."}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:07", "text": ">> Yeah, I've had um"}, {"start": "00:32:07", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "I was fortunate enough to have George"}, {"start": "00:32:09", "end": "00:32:16", "text": "Knap, that investigative reporter from"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:20", "text": "Las Vegas, so interested in the story."}, {"start": "00:32:16", "end": "00:32:22", "text": "Um he was able to verify, you know, some"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "things here and there. I mean, he found"}, {"start": "00:32:22", "end": "00:32:29", "text": "my phone number in the Los Alamos phone"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "book at the the lab and um I was able to"}, {"start": "00:32:29", "end": "00:32:34", "text": "take him there, show him around and"}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:34", "text": ">> but it it wasn't under Bob Lazar secret"}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "project."}, {"start": "00:32:34", "end": "00:32:38", "text": ">> No, no, no."}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:42", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:43", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:47", "text": "yeah, I don't know. I guess I don't want"}, {"start": "00:32:43", "end": "00:32:50", "text": "to get off on a whole weird tangent, but"}, {"start": "00:32:47", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:32:50", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "is it a lot goes through your mind when"}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "you start reliving"}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:57", "text": "all that stuff?"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:05", "text": ">> I'm guessing you're kind of like I am. I"}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:08", "text": "I don't really have any interest in in"}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:09", "text": "UFOs or stories or things. I don't I"}, {"start": "00:33:08", "end": "00:33:10", "text": "don't follow them. But"}, {"start": "00:33:09", "end": "00:33:13", "text": ">> I don't"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:15", "text": ">> whether you whether you like it or not,"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:17", "text": "people tell you stuff. So you begin to"}, {"start": "00:33:15", "end": "00:33:19", "text": "hear, \"Oh, I've I've heard that name."}, {"start": "00:33:17", "end": "00:33:21", "text": "I've heard about that incident and you"}, {"start": "00:33:19", "end": "00:33:25", "text": "know that that kind of thing.\""}, {"start": "00:33:21", "end": "00:33:27", "text": ">> But um I was never really interested in"}, {"start": "00:33:25", "end": "00:33:29", "text": "the topic. I mean before that I never"}, {"start": "00:33:27", "end": "00:33:31", "text": "even believed in it. I thought you know"}, {"start": "00:33:29", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "there were just either experimental"}, {"start": "00:33:31", "end": "00:33:37", "text": "government craft or something like that."}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "But um you know being involved in the"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:42", "text": "project certainly changed my mind."}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:44", "text": ">> Well the reality of it is it's not like"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:48", "text": "some"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "bizarre side story to life. It's just"}, {"start": "00:33:48", "end": "00:33:55", "text": "what is you know I mean you know it is"}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:58", "text": "as uh traumatic and disrupting as it was"}, {"start": "00:33:55", "end": "00:34:00", "text": "to my life. Uh there's nothing mystical"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "or magical about it. you know, it's not"}, {"start": "00:34:00", "end": "00:34:07", "text": "uh anything to"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "um go cultish about. It's just the way"}, {"start": "00:34:07", "end": "00:34:13", "text": "it is, you know, and it's people uh"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "don't understand why my attitude towards"}, {"start": "00:34:13", "end": "00:34:20", "text": "them going from invading monsters, you"}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:24", "text": "know, the attitude they had it to"}, {"start": "00:34:20", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "something a little more well, a big"}, {"start": "00:34:24", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "picture, you know."}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:33", "text": ">> Mhm. You know, just in my lifetime,"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "the increase in understanding,"}, {"start": "00:34:33", "end": "00:34:37", "text": ">> sure, from the 70s,"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> the size and age of the universe, you"}, {"start": "00:34:37", "end": "00:34:41", "text": "know, what's the name of that new space"}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:42", "text": "telescope? Uh,"}, {"start": "00:34:41", "end": "00:34:44", "text": ">> the James Web telescope."}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:47", "text": ">> Yeah, the James Web. It's out there"}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:51", "text": ">> getting a a clear view of things. The"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "story is they pointed it at the emptiest"}, {"start": "00:34:51", "end": "00:34:58", "text": "spot in the sky"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:35:01", "text": "and could see hundreds of galaxies, not"}, {"start": "00:34:58", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "just stars, entire galaxies. You know,"}, {"start": "00:35:01", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "the Milky Way is one galaxy, the one we"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "live in. And yet"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:15", "text": "the size and scope of the universe was"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "uh expanded so much by the James Webb"}, {"start": "00:35:15", "end": "00:35:21", "text": "telescope because it's far bigger and"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "it's not just everything's moving away"}, {"start": "00:35:21", "end": "00:35:30", "text": "from us which I think was"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "an artifact of um the um what they"}, {"start": "00:35:30", "end": "00:35:34", "text": "thought they were seeing."}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:36", "text": "Um, but"}, {"start": "00:35:34", "end": "00:35:39", "text": ">> what makes you think that?"}, {"start": "00:35:36", "end": "00:35:41", "text": ">> Because that that implied that there was"}, {"start": "00:35:39", "end": "00:35:44", "text": "a center to the universe and that, you"}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:46", "text": "know, it had edges and now they're going"}, {"start": "00:35:44", "end": "00:35:48", "text": "to have to face the fact that it's"}, {"start": "00:35:46", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "infinite."}, {"start": "00:35:48", "end": "00:35:53", "text": ">> I think it's much bigger than they're"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "even thinking now. I mean, you know, 50"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:58", "text": "years ago,"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:01", "text": "you know, if you looked on a map of the"}, {"start": "00:35:58", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "known universe was about that. James"}, {"start": "00:36:01", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "Webb made it bigger. And I think it's"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "even larger than that."}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:07", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:09", "text": ">> But like they said from assuming"}, {"start": "00:36:07", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "measurements are accurate,"}, {"start": "00:36:09", "end": "00:36:13", "text": "everything's not moving away from a"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:15", "text": "central point. Everything's moving away"}, {"start": "00:36:13", "end": "00:36:16", "text": "from everything else."}, {"start": "00:36:15", "end": "00:36:20", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:22", "text": ">> And the only situation where that occurs"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:26", "text": "is if you take a balloon, make a bunch"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "of dots on it, and then blow it up,"}, {"start": "00:36:26", "end": "00:36:30", "text": "everything moves away from everything"}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "else. So, it's almost like we're on the"}, {"start": "00:36:30", "end": "00:36:33", "text": "skin of something."}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:35", "text": ">> Well, yeah."}, {"start": "00:36:33", "end": "00:36:37", "text": ">> I mean, that's at least that's the way"}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:37", "text": "it exists in my mind to"}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:38", "text": ">> Oh, yeah."}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:39", "text": ">> to"}, {"start": "00:36:38", "end": "00:36:43", "text": ">> to deal with it."}, {"start": "00:36:39", "end": "00:36:48", "text": ">> Uh, it could be possible that u that is"}, {"start": "00:36:43", "end": "00:36:52", "text": "an an artifact of the amount of size and"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "distance that's involved here that uh"}, {"start": "00:36:52", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "gives the illusion that that's the case."}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:36:56", "text": "Mhm."}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:36:59", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:36:56", "end": "00:37:01", "text": ">> it could very well be a big illusion,"}, {"start": "00:36:59", "end": "00:37:03", "text": "too."}, {"start": "00:37:01", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "What if our measurements, the red shift"}, {"start": "00:37:03", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "in, you know, what we're using to gauge"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:08", "text": "distances, what if that's not accurate?"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "Then"}, {"start": "00:37:08", "end": "00:37:12", "text": ">> it kind of throws off everything that"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "we're"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:19", "text": ">> Well, maybe you could explain this to"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:21", "text": "me. Maybe I'm not bright enough, but uh"}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "um say there's a beam of light going"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "right here between us."}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "They're saying it's 186,000 m per second"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "and nothing in the universe can go"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:37", "text": "faster."}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:41", "text": "Now, if you were traveling along that"}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:44", "text": "beam at say half the speed of that beam"}, {"start": "00:37:41", "end": "00:37:46", "text": "and shown a light forward, what's going"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:50", "text": "to happen? The beam that you're shining"}, {"start": "00:37:46", "end": "00:37:52", "text": "is obviously the speed of light"}, {"start": "00:37:50", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "plus"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "the half speed that you're on."}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:58", "text": ">> Yeah. But it doesn't work that way."}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:38:00", "text": ">> And that's what they're saying. It makes"}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:38:03", "text": "no sense at all. But that's the way it"}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:06", "text": "is. Okay. If you say so."}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:06", "end": "00:38:09", "text": ">> It's relative. They call it relativity."}, {"start": "00:38:08", "end": "00:38:13", "text": ">> Yeah. It's"}, {"start": "00:38:09", "end": "00:38:15", "text": ">> relative speed. you know, if if if"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:19", "text": "you're on a train and you want to"}, {"start": "00:38:15", "end": "00:38:23", "text": "calculate the speed of um a bullet that"}, {"start": "00:38:19", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "you fire, you know, the speed of that"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:28", "text": "bullet relative to the ground outside"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:30", "text": "is the speed of the bullet plus the"}, {"start": "00:38:28", "end": "00:38:32", "text": "speed of the train. And you're saying,"}, {"start": "00:38:30", "end": "00:38:33", "text": "but with light, that's a special case."}, {"start": "00:38:32", "end": "00:38:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:36", "text": ">> It's always the same speed no matter"}, {"start": "00:38:35", "end": "00:38:37", "text": "what."}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:39", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:38:37", "end": "00:38:43", "text": ">> All right. Have it. It's it's like an"}, {"start": "00:38:39", "end": "00:38:45", "text": "article of faith. It's not logical."}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:48", "text": ">> Well, I mean, it it it kind of depends"}, {"start": "00:38:45", "end": "00:38:50", "text": "how you look at it, but the rules change"}, {"start": "00:38:48", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "when you get to maximums and minimums."}, {"start": "00:38:50", "end": "00:38:55", "text": "You know, when you go really small and"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:57", "text": "get into the quantum era, all of a"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "sudden, the rules don't apply and it's a"}, {"start": "00:38:57", "end": "00:39:04", "text": "whole new set of physics. And it's uh"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:07", "text": "and look, we really don't know for sure"}, {"start": "00:39:04", "end": "00:39:09", "text": "exactly how anything works. I've, you"}, {"start": "00:39:07", "end": "00:39:10", "text": "know, there have been old theories that"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "um,"}, {"start": "00:39:10", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "you know, the light really isn't even"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:19", "text": "moving, that it's just like a river and"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:24", "text": "everything's already moving at that"}, {"start": "00:39:19", "end": "00:39:28", "text": "speed. And, um, I mean, it's"}, {"start": "00:39:24", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "it's difficult to completely prove"}, {"start": "00:39:28", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "what we think. There's a lot of theories"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:38", "text": "and there are few hard proofs to to back"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:40", "text": "them up. So to a degree there is uh"}, {"start": "00:39:38", "end": "00:39:45", "text": "faith that is is involved."}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:49", "text": ">> Oh there's uh you know in the edges of"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:51", "text": "the of physics. Um get into some really"}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:51", "text": ">> Can I get you guys another refill?"}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:52", "text": ">> Magical thinking."}, {"start": "00:39:51", "end": "00:39:53", "text": ">> One more."}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:55", "text": ">> One more. Yeah. Would you like some"}, {"start": "00:39:53", "end": "00:39:57", "text": "water as well?"}, {"start": "00:39:55", "end": "00:39:58", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:39:57", "end": "00:39:58", "text": ">> sure."}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:39:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:58", "end": "00:40:01", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:03", "text": ">> And I noticed did you guys leave your"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:05", "text": "brief briefcase down there under the"}, {"start": "00:40:03", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "table?"}, {"start": "00:40:05", "end": "00:40:08", "text": "Oh,"}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:14", "text": ">> well, you know, you have to adjust and"}, {"start": "00:40:12", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "say, \"Okay, there's really no such thing"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "as a photon.\""}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:20", "text": ">> Okay,"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "have it your way."}, {"start": "00:40:23", "end": "00:40:30", "text": ">> I take it that's not yours."}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:32", "text": ">> Uh well uh there it either is or it"}, {"start": "00:40:30", "end": "00:40:36", "text": "isn't. But see that's what happens when"}, {"start": "00:40:32", "end": "00:40:37", "text": "you get into uh uh uh exotic physics."}, {"start": "00:40:36", "end": "00:40:39", "text": ">> It's magical thinking."}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:45", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:40:40", "end": "00:40:49", "text": ">> And uh the uh the the isms the"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "platitudes are a product of"}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:53", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:56", "text": "allowing people to get comfortable with"}, {"start": "00:40:53", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "things that otherwise don't add up."}, {"start": "00:40:56", "end": "00:41:01", "text": ">> Do you trust modern physics? Well,"}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:03", "text": ">> do you think there's"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "a lot of holes in it?"}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:11", "text": ">> Um, the conclusions are hard and fast."}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:14", "text": "The if they could just add as if"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:16", "text": "it's as if this beam of light is this"}, {"start": "00:41:14", "end": "00:41:18", "text": "and this speed is being registered in"}, {"start": "00:41:16", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "this way."}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": ">> But you can explain it however you want."}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "But uh"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:24", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:26", "text": ">> here's your water, sir."}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:29", "text": ">> Thank you. things that are just contrary"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "to common sense and basic logic. U don't"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:35", "text": ">> yeah it's hard to digest that stuff."}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:35", "text": ">> Don't carry a lot of weight with me."}, {"start": "00:41:35", "end": "00:41:41", "text": ">> I know that you know thousands of"}, {"start": "00:41:38", "end": "00:41:43", "text": "hardcore physicists would disagree with"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:46", "text": "me. No, no, that's the way it is. Get on"}, {"start": "00:41:43", "end": "00:41:48", "text": "that beam of light. Go 34s the speed of"}, {"start": "00:41:46", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "it. Shine that beam of light. And the"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "beam of light that you're shining isn't"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "going the speed. Plus the speed is you"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:57", "text": "okay?"}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": ">> Well, the bottom line, no one has"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "actually done it before. So there's no"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:09", "text": "direct proof that that happens."}, {"start": "00:42:11", "end": "00:42:15", "text": "So this uh briefcase"}, {"start": "00:42:16", "end": "00:42:19", "text": "that someone left here."}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "Open the files."}, {"start": "00:42:22", "end": "00:42:25", "text": "Spooky."}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "I'm I'm perfectly aware that all of"}, {"start": "00:42:37", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "these very knowledgeable and well"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "educated people will say, \"No, you got"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "it wrong.\" You know, no matter where you"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:49", "text": "are on that speed of light, on that beam"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "of light, it's still going the same"}, {"start": "00:42:49", "end": "00:42:52", "text": "speed."}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:55", "text": ">> How about your way?"}, {"start": "00:42:52", "end": "00:42:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:42:55", "end": "00:43:00", "text": ">> Everything's relative except light."}, {"start": "00:42:57", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "That's what they're telling me."}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "00:43:13", "end": "00:43:17", "text": "There's these u"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:19", "text": ">> That's a old"}, {"start": "00:43:17", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "jet powered car I made"}, {"start": "00:43:19", "end": "00:43:25", "text": ">> long time. That was back in Oh, it was"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:25", "text": "in Los Alamos. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:43:27", "end": "00:43:30", "text": ">> It's like a lot of stuff on me."}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:31", "text": ">> What kind of gas mile did you get? You"}, {"start": "00:43:30", "end": "00:43:36", "text": "get jokes like that?"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:38", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, there's my W2 from"}, {"start": "00:43:36", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "Department of Naval Intelligence. That's"}, {"start": "00:43:38", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "another thing that really,"}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:47", "text": "although I don't follow"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "UFO lore too much, but more and more you"}, {"start": "00:43:47", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "hear about sightings, stuff that are"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:53", "text": "either over the ocean, overwater,"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "underwater,"}, {"start": "00:43:53", "end": "00:43:57", "text": ">> coming out of the water."}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:44:00", "text": ">> Yeah. And, you know, I was paid and then"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:44:03", "text": "apparently the Navy were the ones, you"}, {"start": "00:44:00", "end": "00:44:06", "text": "know, running the show. So, I just I I"}, {"start": "00:44:03", "end": "00:44:10", "text": "wonder if they were the first ones to"}, {"start": "00:44:06", "end": "00:44:12", "text": "run into the craft and"}, {"start": "00:44:10", "end": "00:44:13", "text": "they were just left in control of it cuz"}, {"start": "00:44:12", "end": "00:44:16", "text": "if anything, you thought it would be the"}, {"start": "00:44:13", "end": "00:44:18", "text": "uh air force."}, {"start": "00:44:16", "end": "00:44:20", "text": ">> Wow. There's proof. I didn't need proof."}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:21", "text": "I know you really worked there. And"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "there's uh"}, {"start": "00:44:21", "end": "00:44:24", "text": ">> Oh, these are the archways I was talking"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "about"}, {"start": "00:44:24", "end": "00:44:27", "text": ">> in the you know."}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:32", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah, I may have had that. I just"}, {"start": "00:44:27", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "was not studying it. Did it did the"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "craft glow or like"}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:37", "text": ">> Yeah, it was glowy."}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:40", "text": ">> What do you remember the color?"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:43", "text": ">> Uh, it was a kind of a soft"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:48", "text": "um towards a yellow end of the spectrum."}, {"start": "00:44:43", "end": "00:44:48", "text": ">> Okay. You seem to hear that a lot."}, {"start": "00:44:52", "end": "00:44:56", "text": ">> Oh, that's a drawing I made about the"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:44:59", "text": ">> interesting"}, {"start": "00:44:56", "end": "00:44:59", "text": ">> components."}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:04", "text": "That's a"}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:07", "text": "sketch from a"}, {"start": "00:45:08", "end": "00:45:12", "text": "autopsy report."}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:21", "text": "Had a friend named John Leer that uh"}, {"start": "00:45:18", "end": "00:45:22", "text": "he was a a good guy, but um he used to"}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "have some really weird beliefs. He"}, {"start": "00:45:22", "end": "00:45:29", "text": "believed people lived in the sun and"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:33", "text": "all kinds of crazy things. And uh I drew"}, {"start": "00:45:29", "end": "00:45:35", "text": "that picture for him and uh so that's"}, {"start": "00:45:33", "end": "00:45:37", "text": ">> well he had a very famous father."}, {"start": "00:45:35", "end": "00:45:41", "text": ">> Yeah. A brilliant"}, {"start": "00:45:37", "end": "00:45:43", "text": ">> brilliant guy and um I mean what he"}, {"start": "00:45:41", "end": "00:45:46", "text": "invented the autopilot, the eight track"}, {"start": "00:45:43", "end": "00:45:49", "text": "tape, a bunch of bunch of stuff later."}, {"start": "00:45:46", "end": "00:45:51", "text": ">> Yeah, I met John later."}, {"start": "00:45:49", "end": "00:45:52", "text": "He was he did come with us a couple"}, {"start": "00:45:51", "end": "00:45:55", "text": "times"}, {"start": "00:45:52", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "out to visit this uh th this is what"}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:59", "text": "made me"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:02", "text": "believe at least part of the Billy Meyer"}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:04", "text": "story because that looks so much like"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:05", "text": "the craft."}, {"start": "00:46:04", "end": "00:46:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Does it kind of look familiar to"}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:12", "text": "you? I mean it look"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:14", "text": ">> it looks so much like it. Um"}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:17", "text": ">> but uh you know I think my case and even"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "your case contributed to the idea that"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:22", "text": "UFOs are all flying discs but no I mean"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "some of them are circular"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:27", "text": ">> some of them are triangular."}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:30", "text": ">> Yeah. These days I I wonder if just time"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:32", "text": "has gone on and just like car models"}, {"start": "00:46:30", "end": "00:46:34", "text": "things have changed or maybe the"}, {"start": "00:46:32", "end": "00:46:36", "text": "technology has changed or maybe"}, {"start": "00:46:34", "end": "00:46:38", "text": ">> maybe you're seeing visitors from"}, {"start": "00:46:36", "end": "00:46:40", "text": "somewhere else now that have their own"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:43", "text": ">> Yeah. going."}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:47", "text": ">> Well, I know people uh that I believe"}, {"start": "00:46:43", "end": "00:46:49", "text": "that saw them that were"}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "u they call it tic tac shape, but you"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:55", "text": "know, it's a sort of a a capsule, sort"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:57", "text": "of a like a vitamin pill or something,"}, {"start": "00:46:55", "end": "00:47:00", "text": "you know, like a sphere would be if you"}, {"start": "00:46:57", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "stretched it out. They call that tic"}, {"start": "00:47:00", "end": "00:47:06", "text": "tac, but I'm sure the candy manufacturer"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:09", "text": "will appreciate the analogy. Yeah, they"}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "they should ride the wave and make a UFO"}, {"start": "00:47:09", "end": "00:47:12", "text": "packaging or something."}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:14", "text": ">> Clear anything away for you."}, {"start": "00:47:12", "end": "00:47:16", "text": ">> Uh, make this hot."}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:18", "text": ">> Okay, sure."}, {"start": "00:47:16", "end": "00:47:19", "text": ">> And uh, yeah, there's a gentleman over"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:20", "text": "there that said there was two folders in"}, {"start": "00:47:19", "end": "00:47:22", "text": "the briefcase."}, {"start": "00:47:20", "end": "00:47:23", "text": ">> Le just found number two."}, {"start": "00:47:22", "end": "00:47:25", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:47:23", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> I'll be right back."}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> Oh, this looks like you."}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:36", "text": ">> And then there's Travis's safe, down to"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "earth judgment. This is all you."}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:40", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:40", "text": ">> Was that your car?"}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:42", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:45", "text": ">> Nice car. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:42", "end": "00:47:46", "text": ">> That thing would go over 150 in the 1/4"}, {"start": "00:47:45", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "mile. It was"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:48", "text": ">> really"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": ">> Yeah, it was incredible."}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:50", "text": ">> Okay. So, that wasn't stock. You did"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "some uh"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:55", "text": ">> No, it had over 500 horsepower from the"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:48:00", "text": "factory, but it"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:48:01", "text": ">> it had enhancements on it beyond that."}, {"start": "00:48:00", "end": "00:48:03", "text": ">> Yeah. It looked like you were somewhat"}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:05", "text": "of a dared dirt bike. You're into"}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "fighting too, huh?"}, {"start": "00:48:05", "end": "00:48:13", "text": ">> Yeah. I I I my first three bouts I won"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:14", "text": "by knockout in the first round."}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:15", "text": ">> No kidding."}, {"start": "00:48:14", "end": "00:48:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:20", "text": ">> And you know, it was just a minor"}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "excursion into boxing and I was mostly"}, {"start": "00:48:20", "end": "00:48:27", "text": "into uh the Asian martial arts, various"}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:28", "text": "styles at the time."}, {"start": "00:48:27", "end": "00:48:32", "text": "Now I can really see you come out"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "fighting when you're on that table and"}, {"start": "00:48:32", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "chopping off."}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:42", "text": ">> Oh, so this is, you know, the hanger or"}, {"start": "00:48:41", "end": "00:48:45", "text": "other ship."}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:47", "text": ">> Yeah. And now I'm wondering was this am"}, {"start": "00:48:45", "end": "00:48:50", "text": "I assuming the shape because I could"}, {"start": "00:48:47", "end": "00:48:53", "text": "only see it from this side. If there was"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:56", "text": "if it was more elongated,"}, {"start": "00:48:53", "end": "00:48:58", "text": "I wouldn't know because I, you know,"}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:49:01", "text": "wasn't studying it. I just looked over"}, {"start": "00:48:58", "end": "00:49:06", "text": "quickly as we left this large enclosure"}, {"start": "00:49:01", "end": "00:49:09", "text": "and uh this very smooth uh chrome"}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:10", "text": "um thing reflecting everything around"}, {"start": "00:49:09", "end": "00:49:12", "text": "it."}, {"start": "00:49:10", "end": "00:49:15", "text": ">> So chrome. So it was really"}, {"start": "00:49:12", "end": "00:49:18", "text": ">> polished metal. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:49:15", "end": "00:49:21", "text": ">> Okay. I didn't realize that was the"}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "configuration. So you came out of the"}, {"start": "00:49:21", "end": "00:49:24", "text": ">> the craft here."}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:26", "text": ">> It it seemed bigger at this point. So it"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:29", "text": "could have been a bigger craft. I don't"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "know. Um"}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:35", "text": ">> and then went into yet another"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:36", "text": ">> um room where they rendered me"}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:39", "text": "unconscious."}, {"start": "00:49:36", "end": "00:49:43", "text": ">> How big Well, yeah, you you wouldn't"}, {"start": "00:49:39", "end": "00:49:45", "text": "know. I'm just wondering"}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:49", "text": "how big of a diameter you thought that"}, {"start": "00:49:45", "end": "00:49:51", "text": "was, but it"}, {"start": "00:49:49", "end": "00:49:54", "text": "it would be hard to say with"}, {"start": "00:49:51", "end": "00:49:54", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:50:00", "text": ">> this I found fascinating, the chair. But"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:03", "text": "did you ever sit in the chair or just"}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:06", "text": "again there's confed to it? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:08", "text": ">> Did you Okay. Yeah. Some of the films"}, {"start": "00:50:06", "end": "00:50:10", "text": "they have, you just touch it and and you"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:12", "text": "saw the star pattern. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:14", "text": ">> pop up. Was there a screen in front of"}, {"start": "00:50:12", "end": "00:50:16", "text": "you or did you see it all around you?"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:18", "text": ">> It was all around me."}, {"start": "00:50:16", "end": "00:50:20", "text": ">> Yeah. Thank you."}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:23", "text": ">> So, it wasn't something that was"}, {"start": "00:50:20", "end": "00:50:26", "text": "projected. It just appeared all around."}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:29", "text": ">> Yeah. But it was only visible while I"}, {"start": "00:50:26", "end": "00:50:32", "text": "was in in the chair or next to it. If I"}, {"start": "00:50:29", "end": "00:50:33", "text": "was farther away from it in any way, it"}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:34", "text": "was just dark."}, {"start": "00:50:33", "end": "00:50:37", "text": ">> Oh, all right. That's"}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:39", "text": ">> the stars just appeared or apparently"}, {"start": "00:50:37", "end": "00:50:41", "text": "they were just visible to the whoever"}, {"start": "00:50:39", "end": "00:50:43", "text": "was in the chair."}, {"start": "00:50:41", "end": "00:50:45", "text": ">> That's interesting."}, {"start": "00:50:43", "end": "00:50:48", "text": ">> Movement"}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:50", "text": "moved the star pattern, but not"}, {"start": "00:50:48", "end": "00:50:51", "text": ">> Was there a joystick or something or was"}, {"start": "00:50:50", "end": "00:50:51", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:52", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:50:51", "end": "00:50:54", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:50:52", "end": "00:50:57", "text": ">> But not relative to each other. the"}, {"start": "00:50:54", "end": "00:51:00", "text": "whole thing moved, you know,"}, {"start": "00:50:57", "end": "00:51:03", "text": ">> which was uh kind of affected my balance"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:05", "text": "for a second, you know, cuz everything"}, {"start": "00:51:03", "end": "00:51:08", "text": "around me, every reference point of"}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:09", "text": "where I was standing was moving."}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:11", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:13", "text": ">> did you feel"}, {"start": "00:51:11", "end": "00:51:15", "text": "did you feel that was like in real time"}, {"start": "00:51:13", "end": "00:51:17", "text": "looking outside or were you did you feel"}, {"start": "00:51:15", "end": "00:51:20", "text": "like this is more of a map room?"}, {"start": "00:51:17", "end": "00:51:22", "text": ">> No, I was in a panic. I wanted out and I"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "was just looking for a button to open a"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": "door and get me out of there."}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:29", "text": ">> Yeah, I'm I'm I'm sure that's the case."}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:29", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "H"}, {"start": "00:51:33", "end": "00:51:37", "text": ">> Yeah. So, here's the arches that you"}, {"start": "00:51:35", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "were talking about. See, from my point"}, {"start": "00:51:37", "end": "00:51:40", "text": "of view, I was looking more to the"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "bottom side."}, {"start": "00:51:40", "end": "00:51:46", "text": ">> So, the top size surface could have been"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:47", "text": ">> But it looked like that."}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:49", "text": ">> Yeah. H."}, {"start": "00:51:47", "end": "00:51:53", "text": ">> And that was giving off a light. It"}, {"start": "00:51:49", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "wasn't burning me. It didn't seem hot in"}, {"start": "00:51:53", "end": "00:51:58", "text": "that sense."}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:52:01", "text": ">> Did the guys in the truck ever relate to"}, {"start": "00:51:58", "end": "00:52:03", "text": "you where it looked like the beam came"}, {"start": "00:52:01", "end": "00:52:04", "text": "from? Was it just the side of the ship"}, {"start": "00:52:03", "end": "00:52:06", "text": "or something?"}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:08", "text": ">> Yeah, they were, you know, pretty much"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:11", "text": "saying that, but"}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:14", "text": ">> it that was also the closest point of"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:17", "text": "surface next to me. So if it was some"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:20", "text": "kind of um accumulated energy"}, {"start": "00:52:17", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "discharging, it would just be"}, {"start": "00:52:20", "end": "00:52:26", "text": "because I was close to it. Now the"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "artist put a tree there that"}, {"start": "00:52:26", "end": "00:52:29", "text": ">> Yeah. I don't give it."}, {"start": "00:52:27", "end": "00:52:31", "text": ">> It would have been the point of"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:33", "text": "discharge. The grounding uh effect would"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:36", "text": "have gone through it."}, {"start": "00:52:33", "end": "00:52:40", "text": ">> I was the closest thing."}, {"start": "00:52:36", "end": "00:52:43", "text": "So before you got knocked out,"}, {"start": "00:52:40", "end": "00:52:45", "text": "you're crouching behind there and you"}, {"start": "00:52:43", "end": "00:52:48", "text": "hear the thing powering up. While it's"}, {"start": "00:52:45", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "powering up, did you did you perceive or"}, {"start": "00:52:48", "end": "00:52:53", "text": "see anything? Was there any kind of"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "distortion outside or any any light or"}, {"start": "00:52:53", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "glow around the ground or anything that"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:00", "text": "would"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:53:03", "text": ">> No, just the vibration you could uh feel"}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:07", "text": "as much as see feel in your body the"}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:09", "text": "high the high high frequency that seemed"}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:13", "text": "to uh change with the position of your"}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:15", "text": "head and the really low rumble that you"}, {"start": "00:53:13", "end": "00:53:18", "text": "just felt in your bones more than"}, {"start": "00:53:15", "end": "00:53:20", "text": "through your ears."}, {"start": "00:53:18", "end": "00:53:23", "text": "I can imagine that must have been just"}, {"start": "00:53:20", "end": "00:53:26", "text": "frightening of something."}, {"start": "00:53:23", "end": "00:53:28", "text": ">> I I was Whoa, what did I do? What did I"}, {"start": "00:53:26", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "do? You know, I'm I'm this close. I was"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:31", "text": "thinking it was going to shoot off"}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:35", "text": "before I even got close. You know, that"}, {"start": "00:53:31", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "was normal thing. You encounter wildlife"}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:38", "text": "and you jump out and it's going to be"}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:41", "text": "running away from you,"}, {"start": "00:53:38", "end": "00:53:41", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "00:53:45", "end": "00:53:49", "text": "jumpsuits every They're always wearing"}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "jumpsuits."}, {"start": "00:53:49", "end": "00:53:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:54", "text": ">> So, did they"}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:55", "text": ">> Well, except in scary invading monsters"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:56", "text": "movies, they're always naked."}, {"start": "00:53:55", "end": "00:53:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:53:59", "text": ">> Cuz then you get to show"}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:01", "text": ">> you have to show the scales and"}, {"start": "00:53:59", "end": "00:54:02", "text": ">> the grooy monster effect. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:05", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:54:02", "end": "00:54:09", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:14", "text": ">> so the eyes a lot of times in"}, {"start": "00:54:09", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "other witnesses and uh report solid"}, {"start": "00:54:14", "end": "00:54:17", "text": "black eyes but these were these are"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:21", "text": ">> yeah they had pupils"}, {"start": "00:54:17", "end": "00:54:25", "text": ">> and I think that had to do with the size"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:28", "text": "of their eyes made to gather light"}, {"start": "00:54:25", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "extremely dim light in in a low light"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "environment."}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:32", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:34", "text": "But in this ambient light here, it would"}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:37", "text": "be way too bright for them. A li an eye"}, {"start": "00:54:34", "end": "00:54:40", "text": "that size. So I think it was some kind"}, {"start": "00:54:37", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "of a contact lens sort of effect that"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:46", "text": "may have been biologically developed to"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:49", "text": "protect the eye or maybe something they"}, {"start": "00:54:46", "end": "00:54:52", "text": "in like a insert or something."}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:52", "text": ">> Sunglasses on a contact lens. Yeah. Type"}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:53", "text": "of thing."}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:57", "text": ">> That kind of thing."}, {"start": "00:54:53", "end": "00:55:00", "text": ">> Was it brightly lit in this room? Well,"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:55:01", "text": "it it hurt my eyes to look at it, but it"}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:05", "text": "was pretty dim."}, {"start": "00:55:01", "end": "00:55:06", "text": ">> Okay. But yeah, you're looking back."}, {"start": "00:55:05", "end": "00:55:09", "text": "You're looking straight at the light."}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:09", "text": ">> Straight up at it."}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:15", "text": ">> Is that about this the right height?"}, {"start": "00:55:14", "end": "00:55:16", "text": ">> Yeah, I think they were shorter than"}, {"start": "00:55:15", "end": "00:55:19", "text": "that, but you know."}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:21", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:55:19", "end": "00:55:23", "text": ">> You got to judge the perspective of"}, {"start": "00:55:21", "end": "00:55:26", "text": "who's standing where."}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:28", "text": "It was shorter than four feet, but"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": ">> but no no no noise, never used their"}, {"start": "00:55:28", "end": "00:55:33", "text": "mouths or anything."}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:35", "text": ">> And it didn't express emotions, just"}, {"start": "00:55:33", "end": "00:55:36", "text": ">> just were, you know,"}, {"start": "00:55:35", "end": "00:55:38", "text": ">> afraid of you. And"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:42", "text": ">> well, I have a theory about that. You"}, {"start": "00:55:38", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "know that if they truly are telepathic,"}, {"start": "00:55:42", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "then facial expression is obsolete."}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "They can say everything to each other"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:51", "text": "without moving the muscles in their face"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "at all."}, {"start": "00:55:51", "end": "00:55:55", "text": "Do you felt that they felt your"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "intentions?"}, {"start": "00:55:55", "end": "00:55:57", "text": ">> Um, I don't know."}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:55:59", "text": ">> You were combative and they started"}, {"start": "00:55:57", "end": "00:56:03", "text": ">> if they if they felt anything, they felt"}, {"start": "00:55:59", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "sheer terror and panic and and"}, {"start": "00:56:03", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "a threat that were in response."}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "But they get out,"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:16", "text": "you grab the rod or whatever that was,"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:18", "text": "they put their hands up and they just"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "calmly walk out and turn right and go"}, {"start": "00:56:18", "end": "00:56:20", "text": "down. They didn't run like they were"}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:22", "text": "afraid of each other."}, {"start": "00:56:20", "end": "00:56:23", "text": ">> Oh, they were they scured pretty"}, {"start": "00:56:22", "end": "00:56:25", "text": "quickly."}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:27", "text": ">> Oh, they did. Okay."}, {"start": "00:56:25", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "Oh, yeah. Again, some of the other stuff"}, {"start": "00:56:27", "end": "00:56:31", "text": "I saw had them, you know, calmly walking"}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:33", "text": "out and I'm surprised they even turned"}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:35", "text": "their back on you with you. Uh,"}, {"start": "00:56:33", "end": "00:56:38", "text": ">> no, they just, you know,"}, {"start": "00:56:35", "end": "00:56:41", "text": ">> made a run for it."}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:45", "text": ">> And of course, the physiques here, male"}, {"start": "00:56:41", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "and female, are quite overemphasized."}, {"start": "00:56:45", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "Hm."}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:50", "text": "That's really interesting."}, {"start": "00:56:49", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> Artist impression."}, {"start": "00:56:50", "end": "00:56:54", "text": ">> Yeah. But these were clearly human"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:55", "text": "compared to"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:57", "text": ">> anyone else on the"}, {"start": "00:56:55", "end": "00:56:59", "text": ">> And you know, interesting. You got a"}, {"start": "00:56:57", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "hair length differential longer for the"}, {"start": "00:56:59", "end": "00:57:02", "text": "female. That's"}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:06", "text": ">> Yeah, that's very Earth."}, {"start": "00:57:02", "end": "00:57:07", "text": ">> Kind of Earth custom, you know."}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:10", "text": ">> But if they were trying to simulate"}, {"start": "00:57:07", "end": "00:57:13", "text": "something I would accept as human, that"}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:15", "text": "would be the way they do it."}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:18", "text": "It's interesting that they'd have two"}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:19", "text": "species working together. That's uh"}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:21", "text": ">> Well, I don't know if they're working"}, {"start": "00:57:19", "end": "00:57:24", "text": "together. I don't know. They knew at"}, {"start": "00:57:21", "end": "00:57:27", "text": "that point my hysteria"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:29", "text": "prevented telepathic control or"}, {"start": "00:57:27", "end": "00:57:30", "text": "communication"}, {"start": "00:57:29", "end": "00:57:32", "text": "and I'm not going to cooperate with them"}, {"start": "00:57:30", "end": "00:57:34", "text": "and I'm going to die if they don't get"}, {"start": "00:57:32", "end": "00:57:36", "text": "me"}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:40", "text": "somewhere else for further treatment."}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:45", "text": "So, they needed something I would trust."}, {"start": "00:57:40", "end": "00:57:50", "text": "Now whether this was some kind of u"}, {"start": "00:57:45", "end": "00:57:53", "text": "creation uh like a mechanical device or"}, {"start": "00:57:50", "end": "00:57:56", "text": ">> uh something in a species that looks"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:58:00", "text": "very human. Um"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:03", "text": "I don't know. Um"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:05", "text": "they sure looked like people to me"}, {"start": "00:58:03", "end": "00:58:08", "text": "when he grabbed my arm. It felt like a a"}, {"start": "00:58:05", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "person would who would grab grab you."}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "And I think somebody said you described"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:14", "text": "these guys as really strong when they"}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:16", "text": "held on to you."}, {"start": "00:58:14", "end": "00:58:18", "text": ">> Yeah. Well, I was in a weakened"}, {"start": "00:58:16", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "condition, but once they got me down on"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:24", "text": "the table, you know, I started to fight"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:26", "text": "them and I was outnumbered, too."}, {"start": "00:58:24", "end": "00:58:28", "text": ">> And whatever this device was, as soon as"}, {"start": "00:58:26", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "they put that on you, you were"}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:31", "text": ">> You were out."}, {"start": "00:58:29", "end": "00:58:33", "text": ">> Probably some sort of anesthetic, you"}, {"start": "00:58:31", "end": "00:58:38", "text": "know. No, it's no hose connected to it,"}, {"start": "00:58:33", "end": "00:58:40", "text": "but maybe it was generated from the the"}, {"start": "00:58:38", "end": "00:58:43", "text": "part that was being held."}, {"start": "00:58:40", "end": "00:58:44", "text": ">> Now, I was describing these craft. I"}, {"start": "00:58:43", "end": "00:58:48", "text": "just, you know, could glance over and"}, {"start": "00:58:44", "end": "00:58:50", "text": "see them. Whether there was"}, {"start": "00:58:48", "end": "00:58:53", "text": "they were actually discshaped or or made"}, {"start": "00:58:50", "end": "00:58:57", "text": "more elongated, I don't know. Cuz I was"}, {"start": "00:58:53", "end": "00:59:00", "text": "very concerned with where you taking me."}, {"start": "00:58:57", "end": "00:59:02", "text": ">> Yeah. I can't imagine the feeling of"}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "walking out there and now you're in this"}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:06", "text": "completely strange place. There's other"}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:09", "text": ">> and he's not answering any questions"}, {"start": "00:59:06", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "yet, but I was controlling that because"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:15", "text": "the helmet may have been preventing him"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:18", "text": "from hearing me or speaking."}, {"start": "00:59:15", "end": "00:59:19", "text": ">> So these guys"}, {"start": "00:59:18", "end": "00:59:20", "text": "didn't have helmets?"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:22", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:59:20", "end": "00:59:24", "text": ">> Just this is the only guy that had"}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:27", "text": ">> Yeah. So, so you know when they got me"}, {"start": "00:59:24", "end": "00:59:30", "text": "out of here into the room where these"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:32", "text": "people were"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:59:32", "end": "00:59:37", "text": "I was"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:41", "text": "re renewing my efforts to get an answer."}, {"start": "00:59:37", "end": "00:59:43", "text": "No helmet uh as an excuse."}, {"start": "00:59:41", "end": "00:59:45", "text": "I need to know what are you doing to me?"}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "What what is this? What were those"}, {"start": "00:59:45", "end": "00:59:50", "text": "creatures and all those kind of things?"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:52", "text": "Just babbling"}, {"start": "00:59:50", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "and getting no response. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "01:00:00", "text": ">> Just force me down and put that over my"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "01:00:00", "text": "face. Now, probably"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:08", "text": ">> my guess is to continue whatever"}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:11", "text": "medical treatments might have been"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:13", "text": "underway when I regained consciousness."}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:16", "text": ">> How did you feel at this point? Did you"}, {"start": "01:00:13", "end": "01:00:18", "text": "feel like you were still in pain and"}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:21", "text": "damaged from the shock?"}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:24", "text": ">> Mhm. The air seemed cooler and easier to"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:25", "text": "breathe out there. Uh"}, {"start": "01:00:24", "end": "01:00:28", "text": ">> h"}, {"start": "01:00:25", "end": "01:00:32", "text": ">> and I was surprised that the the"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:34", "text": "surface, you know, was so easy to it"}, {"start": "01:00:32", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "wasn't slippery, you know, as steep as"}, {"start": "01:00:34", "end": "01:00:42", "text": "it was. I could walk down it"}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:42", "text": ">> and in a weakened condition."}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:52", "text": "like a closeup of one of the eyes."}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:58", "text": ">> Oh, so here. Yeah, here's that room we"}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:00:59", "text": "were talking about. Okay, so that's"}, {"start": "01:00:58", "end": "01:01:03", "text": "where the guy with the"}, {"start": "01:00:59", "end": "01:01:06", "text": ">> Mhm. helmet came on."}, {"start": "01:01:03", "end": "01:01:08", "text": ">> And actually, the viewpoint from right"}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:09", "text": "here was probably"}, {"start": "01:01:08", "end": "01:01:11", "text": "black."}, {"start": "01:01:09", "end": "01:01:13", "text": ">> You could only see stars if you're"}, {"start": "01:01:11", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "standing over here. But"}, {"start": "01:01:13", "end": "01:01:18", "text": ">> I don't know why I couldn't be two"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "places at once."}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "What do we got here? It"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:25", "text": ">> says two related cases. Bill Herman,"}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:25", "text": "1978."}, {"start": "01:01:25", "end": "01:01:30", "text": ">> Jesse Rosenberg, 1954. I haven't heard"}, {"start": "01:01:28", "end": "01:01:34", "text": "of any of that."}, {"start": "01:01:30", "end": "01:01:36", "text": ">> No. But then you and I are not students"}, {"start": "01:01:34", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "of the the genre."}, {"start": "01:01:36", "end": "01:01:40", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:41", "text": ">> Oh, but that does look like"}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:44", "text": ">> There are guys there."}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:51", "text": "Oh, and as do these guys."}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:52", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. So, that's these are cases"}, {"start": "01:01:51", "end": "01:01:54", "text": "reporting."}, {"start": "01:01:52", "end": "01:01:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Similar things to you."}, {"start": "01:01:54", "end": "01:02:01", "text": ">> And uh this was after mine and this one"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "was a before mine."}, {"start": "01:02:01", "end": "01:02:06", "text": ">> I wonder this looks kind of like I'm"}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:09", "text": "more a 1950s."}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:10", "text": ">> Oh, no. I got it wrong. This is 78. So,"}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:12", "text": "this is this is the one that's after"}, {"start": "01:02:10", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "yours."}, {"start": "01:02:12", "end": "01:02:17", "text": "And this is from the 50s."}, {"start": "01:02:21", "end": "01:02:26", "text": ">> Interesting case, huh?"}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:27", "text": "Like I say, I haven't I haven't studied"}, {"start": "01:02:26", "end": "01:02:32", "text": "any other cases."}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:32", "text": ">> Yeah, hairstyles are interesting."}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:39", "text": ">> All right. Well, what else we have in"}, {"start": "01:02:36", "end": "01:02:39", "text": "here?"}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "Not sure what that is."}, {"start": "01:02:45", "end": "01:02:48", "text": "I'll let you push the button."}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:49", "text": ">> Was it ticking?"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:53", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:53", "text": ">> No, I'm kidding."}, {"start": "01:02:54", "end": "01:03:01", "text": ">> Oh, this is a simile of my badge there."}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:03:01", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:10", "text": "It had no other surprises in there."}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:11", "text": "Area 52 card."}, {"start": "01:03:10", "end": "01:03:12", "text": "Did you push the button?"}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:14", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "01:03:12", "end": "01:03:17", "text": ">> Do you want me to?"}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:17", "text": ">> Well, we might"}, {"start": "01:03:19", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "put it closer to you."}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:03:27", "end": "01:03:35", "text": ">> Okay. Not sure what that did, but"}, {"start": "01:03:31", "end": "01:03:35", "text": "hopefully nothing serious."}, {"start": "01:03:40", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "uh, interesting dossier there."}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:52", "text": ">> Mhm. You know, I there's so many UFO"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:56", "text": "stories and I've heard other people say"}, {"start": "01:03:52", "end": "01:04:01", "text": "that before. There's uh so many crashes"}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:04:03", "text": ">> and you know, you hear the detractors"}, {"start": "01:04:01", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "say, you know, a very valid point. They"}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:06", "text": "travel these great distances and they"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "come here and just crash, you know, left"}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:10", "text": "and right. And how can there be so many"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:15", "text": "crashes with the, you know, advanced"}, {"start": "01:04:10", "end": "01:04:17", "text": "technology and um"}, {"start": "01:04:15", "end": "01:04:20", "text": ">> that's a good question. Yeah, it seems"}, {"start": "01:04:17", "end": "01:04:21", "text": "unfortunate that they aren't better"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "drivers than that."}, {"start": "01:04:21", "end": "01:04:25", "text": ">> Yeah, if they are. I mean, there's"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "there's just so so many theories, so"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:29", "text": "many thoughts, and so much incorrect"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:32", "text": "information."}, {"start": "01:04:29", "end": "01:04:36", "text": ">> Yeah. Um, I had people recently said"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "they they wanted to make a film or"}, {"start": "01:04:36", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "documentary on me and they said, \"We're"}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:42", "text": "going to send you the script.\" I said,"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:44", "text": "\"You have the script?\" And, you know,"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:47", "text": "they sent it to me and I looked through"}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:49", "text": "it. I said, \"That has nothing to do at"}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:51", "text": "all with what happened to me.\" I said,"}, {"start": "01:04:49", "end": "01:04:53", "text": "\"Well, we got it all off the internet.\""}, {"start": "01:04:51", "end": "01:04:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Well,"}, {"start": "01:04:53", "end": "01:04:56", "text": "that doesn't mean it"}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:04:57", "text": ">> some very creative people on the"}, {"start": "01:04:56", "end": "01:04:58", "text": "internet."}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:00", "text": ">> Yeah. It's uh"}, {"start": "01:04:58", "end": "01:05:02", "text": ">> unfortunately,"}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:04", "text": ">> yeah, it's a incredible amount of"}, {"start": "01:05:02", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "incorrect information, but some of the"}, {"start": "01:05:04", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "theories kicked around are are"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:10", "text": "fascinating. You know, some that say"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:13", "text": "that they're not"}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:15", "text": "even from space or other planets."}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:16", "text": "They're just they're us from the future"}, {"start": "01:05:15", "end": "01:05:18", "text": "coming back to check on ourselves."}, {"start": "01:05:16", "end": "01:05:20", "text": ">> I've heard that theory and I I'm not"}, {"start": "01:05:18", "end": "01:05:23", "text": "going to argue about it because I'm just"}, {"start": "01:05:20", "end": "01:05:24", "text": "sticking to what I experienced."}, {"start": "01:05:23", "end": "01:05:25", "text": ">> Right. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:05:24", "end": "01:05:27", "text": ">> You tell me."}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:30", "text": ">> Yeah. That's the standing I take. It's"}, {"start": "01:05:27", "end": "01:05:32", "text": "uh you hear plenty of things. You might"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:34", "text": "be told things even from officials, but"}, {"start": "01:05:32", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "you just have to stick with what you"}, {"start": "01:05:34", "end": "01:05:38", "text": "know, you felt, you touched, you saw,"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:39", "text": ">> and draw the line there cuz everything"}, {"start": "01:05:38", "end": "01:05:42", "text": "else is guesswork."}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:44", "text": ">> Yeah. Or somebody's theory or whatever."}, {"start": "01:05:42", "end": "01:05:45", "text": "It may or may not be true, but"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:50", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "01:05:45", "end": "01:05:52", "text": ">> I didn't personally experience it. So"}, {"start": "01:05:50", "end": "01:05:56", "text": "I I try to just stick to my story and"}, {"start": "01:05:52", "end": "01:06:00", "text": "not talk or study the phenomena. For one"}, {"start": "01:05:56", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "thing, you and I both know. There's a"}, {"start": "01:06:00", "end": "01:06:07", "text": "mixture of things that are going on."}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:11", "text": "Some of them are hardcore nuts and bolts"}, {"start": "01:06:07", "end": "01:06:15", "text": "you like you and I."}, {"start": "01:06:11", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "And also other things that are"}, {"start": "01:06:15", "end": "01:06:20", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:21", "text": "US government attempts to"}, {"start": "01:06:20", "end": "01:06:22", "text": "create something"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:26", "text": ">> right"}, {"start": "01:06:22", "end": "01:06:29", "text": ">> that will pass. And there's also"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "misidentified objects."}, {"start": "01:06:29", "end": "01:06:34", "text": "There's"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "complete hallucinations and madeup"}, {"start": "01:06:34", "end": "01:06:38", "text": "fabrications."}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:43", "text": ">> Sometimes people, you know, just see a a"}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:45", "text": "light in the distant sky and um their"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:49", "text": "enthusiasm and emotions"}, {"start": "01:06:45", "end": "01:06:53", "text": "embellish, I guess is the word."}, {"start": "01:06:49", "end": "01:06:59", "text": "Um so there's"}, {"start": "01:06:53", "end": "01:07:02", "text": "mis mistaken identification too. I think"}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:03", "text": "the hardcore events are actually a small"}, {"start": "01:07:02", "end": "01:07:05", "text": "percentage."}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:08", "text": ">> I think a very small percentage because"}, {"start": "01:07:05", "end": "01:07:11", "text": "the other the others so outweigh it"}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:12", "text": ">> and it it muddies the water so much"}, {"start": "01:07:11", "end": "01:07:15", "text": ">> maybe intentionally. I wondered about"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:18", "text": "that. You suppose all these stories are"}, {"start": "01:07:15", "end": "01:07:19", "text": "floating around out there just"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:22", "text": "for camouflage?"}, {"start": "01:07:19", "end": "01:07:24", "text": ">> Oh, I'm sure some are. There's no"}, {"start": "01:07:22", "end": "01:07:27", "text": "there's no doubt in my mind that some"}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:30", "text": "are intentionally there to confuse"}, {"start": "01:07:27", "end": "01:07:34", "text": "things and and"}, {"start": "01:07:30", "end": "01:07:36", "text": "or just stories put out about witnesses"}, {"start": "01:07:34", "end": "01:07:37", "text": "or"}, {"start": "01:07:36", "end": "01:07:41", "text": "I don't know. Do you have a feeling"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:44", "text": "about the intention of"}, {"start": "01:07:41", "end": "01:07:46", "text": "the government's position uh relative to"}, {"start": "01:07:44", "end": "01:07:49", "text": "the public? You know,"}, {"start": "01:07:46", "end": "01:07:52", "text": "we know that it way back used to be"}, {"start": "01:07:49", "end": "01:07:55", "text": "total denial. It's all nonsense."}, {"start": "01:07:52", "end": "01:07:57", "text": "Everything's made up or crazy stuff and"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:08:00", "text": "there's no no such thing."}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:03", "text": "And the longer they stuck with that, the"}, {"start": "01:08:00", "end": "01:08:05", "text": "more the credibility was being damaged"}, {"start": "01:08:03", "end": "01:08:06", "text": "on their part rather than on the"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:06", "text": "witnesses,"}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:10", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:15", "text": ">> So they finally had to say, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "01:08:10", "end": "01:08:16", "text": "let's concede something"}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:18", "text": "in order to reestablish our"}, {"start": "01:08:16", "end": "01:08:21", "text": "credibility.\""}, {"start": "01:08:18", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "So late on a Friday, they say, \"Here's"}, {"start": "01:08:21", "end": "01:08:28", "text": "gun camera footage from this jet. This"}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:31", "text": "is something that has"}, {"start": "01:08:28", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "powers beyond anything we have. We don't"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:38", "text": "know what it is. It's not ours.\""}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:41", "text": ">> And you know, like I say, late on a"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:46", "text": "Friday and news day news goes dead until"}, {"start": "01:08:41", "end": "01:08:49", "text": "Monday. Monday came around and"}, {"start": "01:08:46", "end": "01:08:51", "text": "no reaction. What? Wait a minute. I we"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:53", "text": "just made this earth shattering"}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:57", "text": "admission."}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:09:00", "text": "So the the government actually issued"}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:03", "text": "that admission quote unquote twice. Lay"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "it on a Friday. Gun camera footage."}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:11", "text": "Look, there is something that has"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:12", "text": "maneuverability beyond anything we have."}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:13", "text": "It's not ours."}, {"start": "01:09:12", "end": "01:09:17", "text": ">> We don't think it's other countries"}, {"start": "01:09:13", "end": "01:09:18", "text": "either. and and u that was they left it"}, {"start": "01:09:17", "end": "01:09:21", "text": "open though."}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:22", "text": ">> I'm just saying what they said they they"}, {"start": "01:09:21", "end": "01:09:26", "text": "just said this is something that we"}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:29", "text": "don't have. So of course that would"}, {"start": "01:09:26", "end": "01:09:31", "text": "immediately raise the fear what it is"}, {"start": "01:09:29", "end": "01:09:34", "text": "what if it is something possessed by"}, {"start": "01:09:31", "end": "01:09:36", "text": "other countries. I personally don't"}, {"start": "01:09:34", "end": "01:09:38", "text": "believe that's the case but I don't"}, {"start": "01:09:36", "end": "01:09:40", "text": "know. So it could be anything."}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:43", "text": ">> It's I think they have a long way to go"}, {"start": "01:09:40", "end": "01:09:44", "text": "to get credibility back. Um"}, {"start": "01:09:43", "end": "01:09:46", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:09:44", "end": "01:09:48", "text": ">> they they've made the mistake of lying"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:48", "text": "for way way too long."}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:09:48", "end": "01:09:53", "text": ">> And I think that started a long time"}, {"start": "01:09:51", "end": "01:09:58", "text": "ago. And you know, as I've said, you"}, {"start": "01:09:53", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "could and others have said too."}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:02", "text": ">> It's you know, if you want to keep the"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:04", "text": "technology a secret, we all understand"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "that's powerful technology,"}, {"start": "01:10:04", "end": "01:10:09", "text": ">> but you don't have to keep the story"}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:11", "text": "secret. Okay? We a we found something"}, {"start": "01:10:09", "end": "01:10:14", "text": "from somewhere else."}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:16", "text": "They consider themselves responsible and"}, {"start": "01:10:14", "end": "01:10:18", "text": "if there's a high tech thing that they"}, {"start": "01:10:16", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "can't"}, {"start": "01:10:18", "end": "01:10:23", "text": "uh thwart, you know, that's their role."}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "We're we're here to defend you against"}, {"start": "01:10:23", "end": "01:10:29", "text": "whatever might be there."}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:33", "text": "You would think it would create alarm."}, {"start": "01:10:29", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "I don't uh I don't think it is a threat."}, {"start": "01:10:33", "end": "01:10:37", "text": "But"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:40", "text": "on the other hand,"}, {"start": "01:10:37", "end": "01:10:43", "text": "the military's"}, {"start": "01:10:40", "end": "01:10:47", "text": "justification for even looking at this"}, {"start": "01:10:43", "end": "01:10:49", "text": "is is it a threat? So they can study it"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:53", "text": "and be involved in it and all that. If"}, {"start": "01:10:49", "end": "01:10:55", "text": "they if they said it wasn't, then then"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:57", "text": "why are they even messing with it?"}, {"start": "01:10:55", "end": "01:11:01", "text": ">> Well, right. M."}, {"start": "01:10:57", "end": "01:11:03", "text": ">> So maybe that"}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:05", "text": "is allowed to uh languish the idea that"}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:08", "text": "it's a threat, but I don't think it's a"}, {"start": "01:11:05", "end": "01:11:10", "text": "threat. You know, these reports have"}, {"start": "01:11:08", "end": "01:11:11", "text": "been around for decades,"}, {"start": "01:11:10", "end": "01:11:15", "text": ">> even longer than that."}, {"start": "01:11:11", "end": "01:11:19", "text": ">> I think um a technology that advanced,"}, {"start": "01:11:15", "end": "01:11:21", "text": "if they wanted to remove us and become"}, {"start": "01:11:19", "end": "01:11:23", "text": "the dominant species on this planet,"}, {"start": "01:11:21", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "we'd never know what hit us. It could do"}, {"start": "01:11:23", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "it overnight. I I agree with you 100%"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:29", "text": "there."}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:34", "text": ">> So I don't I don't see a threat to worry"}, {"start": "01:11:29", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "about. Um but I also I don't think of"}, {"start": "01:11:34", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "any sinister intention on the part of"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:42", "text": "the government with the position they've"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "taken. They're forced"}, {"start": "01:11:42", "end": "01:11:46", "text": "to do what they're doing."}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:49", "text": ">> Well, it's their job."}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:51", "text": ">> Well, the so many people say it's our"}, {"start": "01:11:49", "end": "01:11:53", "text": "government. We can tell them, throw open"}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:55", "text": "the books and tell everybody what's"}, {"start": "01:11:53", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "going on."}, {"start": "01:11:55", "end": "01:11:59", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "um, we have a couple of other"}, {"start": "01:11:59", "end": "01:12:05", "text": "superpowers on the planet that might"}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:06", "text": "love to know what we've harvested and"}, {"start": "01:12:05", "end": "01:12:08", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:12:06", "end": "01:12:12", "text": ">> Uh, is it something that they can"}, {"start": "01:12:08", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "overcome or not? And, um, so as long as"}, {"start": "01:12:12", "end": "01:12:18", "text": "we keep our stuff secret,"}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:21", "text": "um, they don't dare make a move. could"}, {"start": "01:12:18", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "be some kind of a day sort of balance of"}, {"start": "01:12:21", "end": "01:12:26", "text": "power thing that um"}, {"start": "01:12:26", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "we need to maintain that secrecy just"}, {"start": "01:12:29", "end": "01:12:35", "text": "for uh national security"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "and you couldn't say well uh I'll show"}, {"start": "01:12:35", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "you mine if you show me yours"}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:45", "text": ">> uh because are they really giving you"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:48", "text": "the full story or are they just doing"}, {"start": "01:12:45", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "giving you a some token pieces of"}, {"start": "01:12:48", "end": "01:12:52", "text": "information to get at what you're"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:54", "text": "holding."}, {"start": "01:12:52", "end": "01:12:55", "text": ">> You know, that's what they would do."}, {"start": "01:12:54", "end": "01:12:57", "text": "Yeah. Everybody's"}, {"start": "01:12:55", "end": "01:13:00", "text": ">> So, it can't be done. And so, it's it's"}, {"start": "01:12:57", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "probably a a pretty good safety chain on"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "the whole mess to have the books slam"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "tight. A lot of people don't understand"}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:11", "text": "me on that. What you know, are you"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:14", "text": "taking the government side? Well, in"}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "this case, I think their secrecy is"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "justified and necessary."}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:25", "text": "Yeah, I still I I agree with that, but I"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:26", "text": "think they could still just loosen their"}, {"start": "01:13:25", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "belts a little bit."}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:30", "text": ">> Well, in admitting that there's"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:32", "text": "something, which they've done,"}, {"start": "01:13:30", "end": "01:13:34", "text": ">> and the public says, well, that's not"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "enough. Say, yeah, so what else is new"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "and big deal? You know,"}, {"start": "01:13:36", "end": "01:13:41", "text": ">> we want more"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:45", "text": ">> like free energy. Can't do that. Well,"}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:48", "text": ">> you know, it would destroy the u"}, {"start": "01:13:45", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "monetary systems of the planet to uh"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:52", "text": "have free energy."}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:14:02", "text": "What do you think would happen overnight"}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:05", "text": "if energy could be free? Just that?"}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:07", "text": ">> Well, we'd have a big problem."}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:10", "text": ">> Well, especially if uh"}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:12", "text": ">> we'd have a big problem. Any big leap in"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:12", "text": "technology would really collapse our"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:13", "text": "economy."}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:13", "end": "01:14:17", "text": ">> Even if we could"}, {"start": "01:14:15", "end": "01:14:21", "text": ">> even if they didn't weaponize it, which"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:24", "text": "they would immediately, how can we use"}, {"start": "01:14:21", "end": "01:14:27", "text": "this to defeat our enemies?"}, {"start": "01:14:24", "end": "01:14:30", "text": ">> Yeah, that's going to be step one"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:33", "text": "is turn it into a weapon. But any"}, {"start": "01:14:30", "end": "01:14:37", "text": "advanced technology, even if we could"}, {"start": "01:14:33", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "teleport from place to place or jump"}, {"start": "01:14:37", "end": "01:14:41", "text": "like these guys do great distances where"}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "you don't need cars, suddenly if you"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:45", "text": "don't need cars, planes or the post"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "office or anything, you can get anywhere"}, {"start": "01:14:45", "end": "01:14:51", "text": "you wanted to immediately. Nobody has a"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:52", "text": "job. Everything's a support service for"}, {"start": "01:14:51", "end": "01:14:53", "text": "those or part of those."}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:54", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:53", "end": "01:14:56", "text": ">> And same thing with energy,"}, {"start": "01:14:54", "end": "01:14:59", "text": ">> the whole world economy."}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:02", "text": ">> Yeah. So, I don't know what you do with"}, {"start": "01:14:59", "end": "01:15:03", "text": "really advanced technology. It's too"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:05", "text": "big."}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:06", "text": ">> I mean, technology could be too good to"}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:09", "text": "release."}, {"start": "01:15:06", "end": "01:15:12", "text": ">> Yeah. I think uh the situation we're"}, {"start": "01:15:09", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "we're stuck with it. Uh uh people need"}, {"start": "01:15:12", "end": "01:15:20", "text": "to be far more understanding than they"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:22", "text": "are to re to be granted much more than"}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:24", "text": "what they're getting."}, {"start": "01:15:22", "end": "01:15:26", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "01:15:24", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "you know, we fancy ourselves as"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "civilized people. You know, we leave the"}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:31", "text": "building here and we drive down the"}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:36", "text": "streets and everything's fine. But the"}, {"start": "01:15:31", "end": "01:15:38", "text": "truth is from the aliens point of view,"}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "the natives are getting restless. We're"}, {"start": "01:15:38", "end": "01:15:44", "text": "a bunch of savages constantly at each"}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:47", "text": "other's throat, killing each other at"}, {"start": "01:15:44", "end": "01:15:50", "text": "phenomenal rates. What how many thousand"}, {"start": "01:15:47", "end": "01:15:51", "text": "this week? Come on. M"}, {"start": "01:15:50", "end": "01:15:53", "text": ">> you know they can even talk about that"}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "on TV and"}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "you know that's not incredibly alarming."}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:01", "text": ">> Not anymore. No,"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:04", "text": ">> now it's just something"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:11", "text": ">> well the aliens see it all and uh not"}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "the polished um optimized side."}, {"start": "01:16:12", "end": "01:16:18", "text": "So, um, aside from being shot out, just"}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:21", "text": "seeing us behaving, how we behave"}, {"start": "01:16:18", "end": "01:16:23", "text": "towards each other,"}, {"start": "01:16:21", "end": "01:16:26", "text": "I can understand perfectly why they"}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:27", "text": "would not come down and share advanced"}, {"start": "01:16:26", "end": "01:16:29", "text": "technology with us."}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:31", "text": ">> That would be a foolish thing to do."}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "That's like giving out three-year-old a"}, {"start": "01:16:31", "end": "01:16:34", "text": "loaded gun."}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:37", "text": ">> Yeah, exactly."}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:39", "text": ">> I I would I make the same move they did,"}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:41", "text": "but it of course it makes you wonder"}, {"start": "01:16:39", "end": "01:16:43", "text": "what they're doing here."}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "Is it just a is it a Disneyland thing"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "where you should stop by earth and check"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "out the natives there or is there really"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:50", "text": "something?"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:52", "text": ">> The Europeans started exploring the"}, {"start": "01:16:50", "end": "01:16:54", "text": "world. They encountered cultures that"}, {"start": "01:16:52", "end": "01:16:58", "text": "were, you know, basically in the stone"}, {"start": "01:16:54", "end": "01:17:01", "text": "age and the contact was very"}, {"start": "01:16:58", "end": "01:17:05", "text": "destructive."}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:07", "text": ">> They weren't ready uh for all that came"}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:10", "text": "with it, especially not things like"}, {"start": "01:17:07", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "modern firearms and whatnot."}, {"start": "01:17:10", "end": "01:17:15", "text": "Yeah, advanced technology contact is"}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:18", "text": "always destructive. It's never worked"}, {"start": "01:17:15", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "out well in history."}, {"start": "01:17:18", "end": "01:17:23", "text": ">> But"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:26", "text": "does that mean that um we're just left"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:31", "text": "to stew in our own juices?"}, {"start": "01:17:26", "end": "01:17:33", "text": "I think uh the aliens have a strategy"}, {"start": "01:17:31", "end": "01:17:35", "text": "and this is just my own theory."}, {"start": "01:17:33", "end": "01:17:37", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:42", "text": "they observe our behavior"}, {"start": "01:17:37", "end": "01:17:43", "text": "and uh I've made the advanced the theory"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:46", "text": "that"}, {"start": "01:17:43", "end": "01:17:49", "text": "UFO sightings are not accidental"}, {"start": "01:17:46", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "where they're just"}, {"start": "01:17:49", "end": "01:17:52", "text": "humans spotted us again. We're going to"}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:54", "text": "have to be more careful."}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:56", "text": ">> You think they're intentional?"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:57", "text": ">> I think they're intentional."}, {"start": "01:17:56", "end": "01:17:59", "text": ">> You know, I think they do everything"}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:00", "text": "they're doing here and remain"}, {"start": "01:17:59", "end": "01:18:02", "text": "undetected."}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:07", "text": "But what's"}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:10", "text": "allowed to be seen is to is a reminder,"}, {"start": "01:18:07", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "you know, a hint,"}, {"start": "01:18:10", "end": "01:18:13", "text": ">> just a tease."}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:16", "text": ">> Yeah. Something things could be a lot"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:19", "text": "better if we would just uh get our act"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:22", "text": "together."}, {"start": "01:18:19", "end": "01:18:23", "text": ">> H that'd be great if that was that was"}, {"start": "01:18:22", "end": "01:18:28", "text": "accurate."}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:30", "text": "Well, just the awareness that there's"}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:35", "text": "a better way, a different way, a more"}, {"start": "01:18:30", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "advanced way could uh maybe inspire some"}, {"start": "01:18:35", "end": "01:18:39", "text": "leaders to want to pull us in that"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:41", "text": "direction,"}, {"start": "01:18:39", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "make us um"}, {"start": "01:18:41", "end": "01:18:48", "text": "compatible with"}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:49", "text": "um more advanced societies."}, {"start": "01:18:48", "end": "01:18:50", "text": "But"}, {"start": "01:18:49", "end": "01:18:52", "text": ">> I think that's going to be"}, {"start": "01:18:50", "end": "01:18:54", "text": ">> a bunch of savages at this point. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:18:52", "end": "01:18:57", "text": "that it's going to be a different set of"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:19:00", "text": "leaders. I think uh I don't think"}, {"start": "01:18:57", "end": "01:19:02", "text": "anyone's thinking along those lines at"}, {"start": "01:19:00", "end": "01:19:04", "text": "the moment. Anyway,"}, {"start": "01:19:02", "end": "01:19:05", "text": "you're not much of a coffee drinker, are"}, {"start": "01:19:04", "end": "01:19:09", "text": "you?"}, {"start": "01:19:05", "end": "01:19:13", "text": ">> No, I just drink a hot beverage to keep"}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:15", "text": "my vocal cords uh from getting horse."}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:17", "text": ">> Do you ever drink coffee? I mean, when"}, {"start": "01:19:15", "end": "01:19:20", "text": "you were younger? Back when I was"}, {"start": "01:19:17", "end": "01:19:22", "text": "working at the paper mill,"}, {"start": "01:19:20", "end": "01:19:24", "text": "uh went graveyard shift with you every"}, {"start": "01:19:22", "end": "01:19:27", "text": "third shift."}, {"start": "01:19:24", "end": "01:19:30", "text": ">> Go to work at midnight. Uh coffee,"}, {"start": "01:19:27", "end": "01:19:32", "text": ">> you got to stay awake somehow."}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:34", "text": ">> So that was the first time I really"}, {"start": "01:19:32", "end": "01:19:37", "text": "drank coffee. My mother was a coffee"}, {"start": "01:19:34", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "drinker, but I never drank it till I"}, {"start": "01:19:37", "end": "01:19:43", "text": "started doing shift work."}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:45", "text": "And that was just to survive graveyard,"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:48", "text": ">> the midnight shift."}, {"start": "01:19:45", "end": "01:19:53", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah, I can usually have two cups."}, {"start": "01:19:48", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "On the third one, I start getting shaky."}, {"start": "01:19:53", "end": "01:19:57", "text": ">> I'll definitely do it."}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:13", "text": "I I try to distinguish between"}, {"start": "01:20:10", "end": "01:20:16", "text": "what happened, what I can report"}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:19", "text": "factually, accurately, and just what's"}, {"start": "01:20:16", "end": "01:20:20", "text": "my own theory, you know, and I'm sure"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:25", "text": "you don't agree with all of my theories,"}, {"start": "01:20:20", "end": "01:20:27", "text": "but nobody does. And u"}, {"start": "01:20:25", "end": "01:20:29", "text": "um that's fine and dandy, you know, no"}, {"start": "01:20:27", "end": "01:20:31", "text": "problem."}, {"start": "01:20:29", "end": "01:20:34", "text": "Well, they're they're your theories, you"}, {"start": "01:20:31", "end": "01:20:36", "text": "know. I'm the same way. I draw a hard"}, {"start": "01:20:34", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "line between what I know, what I"}, {"start": "01:20:36", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "experienced,"}, {"start": "01:20:38", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "and what I believe might be true and"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:48", "text": "what I've heard from others. I don't let"}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:48", "text": "them ever cross over. It's"}, {"start": "01:20:48", "end": "01:20:54", "text": "it's really there's just so much"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:57", "text": "incorrect information to dig through. It"}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:20:59", "text": "would be great to know what's accurate"}, {"start": "01:20:57", "end": "01:21:01", "text": "and what's not. Have there been that"}, {"start": "01:20:59", "end": "01:21:04", "text": "many crashes."}, {"start": "01:21:01", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "Are all those"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:12", "text": "abduction stories real or or not? Um"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "certainly some are. The Betty and Barney"}, {"start": "01:21:12", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "Hill story. Um you've probably heard"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:19", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:22", "text": ">> that. And um you know I I firmly believe"}, {"start": "01:21:19", "end": "01:21:26", "text": "that occurred. I firmly believe you know"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:28", "text": "what happened to you occurred and um"}, {"start": "01:21:26", "end": "01:21:31", "text": "there are so many other instances. It"}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:33", "text": "would be great to know."}, {"start": "01:21:31", "end": "01:21:36", "text": ">> You know, I had an instance that"}, {"start": "01:21:33", "end": "01:21:39", "text": "happened when I was"}, {"start": "01:21:36", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "probably first grade or, you know, when"}, {"start": "01:21:39", "end": "01:21:44", "text": "I was very, very young"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:47", "text": "that I was awakened in the middle of the"}, {"start": "01:21:44", "end": "01:21:50", "text": "night by"}, {"start": "01:21:47", "end": "01:21:53", "text": "a small being,"}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:54", "text": "large eyes, big white head,"}, {"start": "01:21:53", "end": "01:21:57", "text": ">> really"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:21:58", "text": ">> wearing a black jumpsuit."}, {"start": "01:21:57", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "But I didn't call it an alien. It was"}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:03", "text": "just a little man."}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:05", "text": ">> This is when you're like one year old."}, {"start": "01:22:03", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "Wow. I I never heard this."}, {"start": "01:22:05", "end": "01:22:12", "text": ">> My sister, who is still alive, remembers"}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:16", "text": "me insisting that this happened."}, {"start": "01:22:12", "end": "01:22:21", "text": "And she uh but she says, \"No,"}, {"start": "01:22:16", "end": "01:22:23", "text": ">> it was a dream. It was a dream.\" And so,"}, {"start": "01:22:21", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "all right, believe what you want. You"}, {"start": "01:22:23", "end": "01:22:31", "text": "know, I've I'm been alive for uh 72"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:33", "text": "years, and I've never believed a dream"}, {"start": "01:22:31", "end": "01:22:37", "text": "was real."}, {"start": "01:22:33", "end": "01:22:39", "text": "Um that really happened."}, {"start": "01:22:37", "end": "01:22:42", "text": "I didn't call it an alien. It was just"}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:44", "text": "had little man with big bald head and"}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:46", "text": "bald eyes. I didn't call them aliens. In"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "those days,"}, {"start": "01:22:46", "end": "01:22:49", "text": "aliens were my favorite Martian."}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:51", "text": ">> Oh, right. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:22:49", "end": "01:22:55", "text": ">> Two little antennas that would sprite"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:55", "text": "from a human's head."}, {"start": "01:22:55", "end": "01:23:00", "text": ">> What do you remember from from that?"}, {"start": "01:22:59", "end": "01:23:03", "text": ">> Just some"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:06", "text": ">> I was uh it was very hot and we had huge"}, {"start": "01:23:03", "end": "01:23:09", "text": "coolers uh mounted on the roof of the"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "house blowing down through the hallway"}, {"start": "01:23:09", "end": "01:23:15", "text": "and out. And that was one way to stay"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:18", "text": "cool. So we'd instead of sleeping in our"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:20", "text": "bedrooms, we'd bring bed rolls and lay"}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "in the hallway."}, {"start": "01:23:20", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "So I was awakened by something lifting"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:34", "text": "my bed roll from the bottom in."}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "Uh my legs were lifted into the air"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:40", "text": "and uh I woke up. What is this? I mean"}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:42", "text": "that's not the way a dream happens, you"}, {"start": "01:23:40", "end": "01:23:45", "text": "know. It's not a dream, you know. this"}, {"start": "01:23:42", "end": "01:23:49", "text": "was happening and I saw"}, {"start": "01:23:45", "end": "01:23:53", "text": "the little man that uh was lifting the"}, {"start": "01:23:49", "end": "01:23:56", "text": "bedroom and I called out and he dropped"}, {"start": "01:23:53", "end": "01:23:59", "text": "it and turned to run away and I jumped"}, {"start": "01:23:56", "end": "01:24:02", "text": "up and ran after him"}, {"start": "01:23:59", "end": "01:24:04", "text": ">> and u"}, {"start": "01:24:02", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "I was unable to catch up with him. He"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:11", "text": "disappeared in the house."}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:12", "text": "We had a huge house, 21 rooms."}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:14", "text": "Wow."}, {"start": "01:24:12", "end": "01:24:16", "text": ">> Yeah. It used to be the mayor of"}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:20", "text": "Phoenix's"}, {"start": "01:24:16", "end": "01:24:25", "text": "residence, but my mom was able to buy it"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:28", "text": "in its later years and um"}, {"start": "01:24:25", "end": "01:24:30", "text": "convert the upstairs rooms into uh rooms"}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:30", "text": "that she rented out."}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:33", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:37", "text": ">> To pay the bills. And she had an"}, {"start": "01:24:33", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "answering uh service downstairs"}, {"start": "01:24:37", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "to pay the bills. So you lost him in the"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:44", "text": ">> There was running him out."}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:47", "text": ">> There was upstairs and an attic and a"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "bottom stair and a basement and spaces"}, {"start": "01:24:47", "end": "01:24:53", "text": "under the house that us kids explored"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "and found. There were secret passages"}, {"start": "01:24:53", "end": "01:24:56", "text": "all over that house."}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:58", "text": ">> Sounds like a fun place for a kid."}, {"start": "01:24:56", "end": "01:25:00", "text": ">> Yeah, it was. You know, we we found all"}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:02", "text": "kinds of things there, but the little"}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:05", "text": "man disappeared and I spent days trying"}, {"start": "01:25:02", "end": "01:25:07", "text": "to find out how he got away."}, {"start": "01:25:05", "end": "01:25:08", "text": ">> That doesn't sound like a dream to me"}, {"start": "01:25:07", "end": "01:25:11", "text": "either. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:13", "text": ">> And my uh it wasn't terribly"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:15", "text": "frightening. I didn't call it, oh, an"}, {"start": "01:25:13", "end": "01:25:17", "text": "alien was trying to get me or anything."}, {"start": "01:25:15", "end": "01:25:20", "text": "It was just this little man woke me up,"}, {"start": "01:25:17", "end": "01:25:22", "text": "you know. And so, but my my sister"}, {"start": "01:25:20", "end": "01:25:23", "text": "doesn't believe me. She thinks I had a"}, {"start": "01:25:22", "end": "01:25:26", "text": "vivid dream."}, {"start": "01:25:23", "end": "01:25:27", "text": ">> She she believes that I believe it, but"}, {"start": "01:25:26", "end": "01:25:28", "text": "u"}, {"start": "01:25:27", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "anyway, it was wearing the black"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:36", "text": "jumpsuit that Betty Hill describes. So"}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:37", "text": "that's uh I've never really touted that"}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:39", "text": "story very much"}, {"start": "01:25:37", "end": "01:25:40", "text": ">> because it was just me with no"}, {"start": "01:25:39", "end": "01:25:41", "text": "witnesses,"}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:44", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:47", "text": ">> And so take it or leave it, I believe"}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:50", "text": "it, but uh I don't expect anybody to"}, {"start": "01:25:47", "end": "01:25:53", "text": "believe anything that of of this nature"}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:54", "text": "without some sort of evidence, you know."}, {"start": "01:25:53", "end": "01:25:56", "text": ">> Yeah, that is"}, {"start": "01:25:54", "end": "01:25:58", "text": ">> witnesses, physical evidence, that kind"}, {"start": "01:25:56", "end": "01:26:00", "text": "of stuff."}, {"start": "01:25:58", "end": "01:26:04", "text": ">> That is interesting. And that"}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:07", "text": "Most of the stories I've heard,"}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:09", "text": "the limited stories I've heard of people"}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "that any interaction with aliens,"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:15", "text": "whether it's abductions, whatever,"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:17", "text": "it seems to be more than once. They seem"}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:18", "text": "to come, you know, at an early time in"}, {"start": "01:26:17", "end": "01:26:19", "text": "their life and then later on. So, I"}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:21", "text": "mean, that's that's"}, {"start": "01:26:19", "end": "01:26:23", "text": ">> you've probably heard me talk about my"}, {"start": "01:26:21", "end": "01:26:25", "text": "antill theory. You know, if you're"}, {"start": "01:26:23", "end": "01:26:27", "text": "walking by an antill, you don't stop and"}, {"start": "01:26:25", "end": "01:26:29", "text": "say, \"Hey, I think I'll stop and have a"}, {"start": "01:26:27", "end": "01:26:30", "text": "conversation with that ant right there.\""}, {"start": "01:26:29", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "Right."}, {"start": "01:26:30", "end": "01:26:35", "text": ">> Yeah. It was how I I viewed it before"}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:39", "text": "about people saying that aliens came and"}, {"start": "01:26:35", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "contacted them. But now"}, {"start": "01:26:39", "end": "01:26:45", "text": "I I think that if you saw one when you"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:47", "text": "were younger and one when you were"}, {"start": "01:26:45", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "older, they know it's you. That there's"}, {"start": "01:26:47", "end": "01:26:51", "text": "a connection between them."}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:52", "text": ">> Yeah. There's a reason. There is a"}, {"start": "01:26:51", "end": "01:26:55", "text": "reason."}, {"start": "01:26:52", "end": "01:26:58", "text": ">> There's a basis for that."}, {"start": "01:26:55", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "They have huge heads and uh a lot of"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:07", "text": "intelligence. Um and I I draw the"}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:10", "text": "analogy to the Utah data center. It's a"}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "government computer complex covering"}, {"start": "01:27:10", "end": "01:27:13", "text": "acres"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "in Utah"}, {"start": "01:27:13", "end": "01:27:19", "text": "that requires millions of gallons of"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:23", "text": "water just to keep it cool."}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:26", "text": "and supposedly uh reportedly um is"}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:29", "text": "recording every electronic transmission"}, {"start": "01:27:26", "end": "01:27:31", "text": "on the face of the earth. Now, if mere"}, {"start": "01:27:29", "end": "01:27:33", "text": "humans can keep track of that much"}, {"start": "01:27:31", "end": "01:27:36", "text": "information,"}, {"start": "01:27:33", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "super advanced species can probably do"}, {"start": "01:27:36", "end": "01:27:40", "text": "it in their head, but"}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:42", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:27:40", "end": "01:27:45", "text": "the idea that there's a connection"}, {"start": "01:27:42", "end": "01:27:48", "text": "between these events is I think quite"}, {"start": "01:27:45", "end": "01:27:48", "text": "plausible."}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "I do too."}, {"start": "01:27:50", "end": "01:27:54", "text": ">> And not accidental intentional for some"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:57", "text": "reason."}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:59", "text": ">> No, I think they"}, {"start": "01:27:57", "end": "01:28:01", "text": "once they find a person or interested in"}, {"start": "01:27:59", "end": "01:28:03", "text": "a person, I think they just want to keep"}, {"start": "01:28:01", "end": "01:28:05", "text": "tabs on them and for some reason in some"}, {"start": "01:28:03", "end": "01:28:07", "text": "way. And"}, {"start": "01:28:05", "end": "01:28:10", "text": ">> but I definitely have not tried to"}, {"start": "01:28:07", "end": "01:28:12", "text": "promote the idea that see that means I'm"}, {"start": "01:28:10", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "something special. They're interested in"}, {"start": "01:28:12", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "me because I have qualities they like or"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:17", "text": "something."}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:18", "text": "who knows what their"}, {"start": "01:28:17", "end": "01:28:21", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:25", "text": ">> reason might be, but that's definitely"}, {"start": "01:28:21", "end": "01:28:29", "text": "not it. I've never sought any notoriety."}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:31", "text": "I never sought out an interview or"}, {"start": "01:28:29", "end": "01:28:33", "text": "um"}, {"start": "01:28:31", "end": "01:28:36", "text": "any sort of um"}, {"start": "01:28:33", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "public appearance. They they always"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:43", "text": "invite me. I don't ever seek them. So,"}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:44", "text": "and other than that, I just keep to"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:47", "text": "myself. So,"}, {"start": "01:28:44", "end": "01:28:50", "text": ">> yeah. You sound like me."}, {"start": "01:28:47", "end": "01:28:53", "text": ">> Even Even the book I wrote, I don't even"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "publish that I wrote a book or advertise"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "it anywhere. People find out it's there"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:29:00", "text": "and available and they seek me out and"}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:02", "text": "order them. But other than that, my wife"}, {"start": "01:29:00", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "thinks I'm crazy. Come on, get out"}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:07", "text": "there, advertise it."}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:08", "text": ">> You'd sell a million of them. But, uh,"}, {"start": "01:29:07", "end": "01:29:12", "text": ">> it's not you."}, {"start": "01:29:08", "end": "01:29:16", "text": ">> No, not me. But it's it's steadily keeps"}, {"start": "01:29:12", "end": "01:29:18", "text": "me busy for the last 50 years"}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:21", "text": ">> or 40ome years."}, {"start": "01:29:18", "end": "01:29:22", "text": ">> Well, I'm glad we had time to sit down"}, {"start": "01:29:21", "end": "01:29:23", "text": "and talk."}, {"start": "01:29:22", "end": "01:29:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:29:23", "end": "01:29:27", "text": ">> Keep the waitress busy keeping this"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:29", "text": "here."}, {"start": "01:29:27", "end": "01:29:30", "text": ">> I just wanted to let you know that it's"}, {"start": "01:29:29", "end": "01:29:32", "text": "on the house for you this afternoon."}, {"start": "01:29:30", "end": "01:29:33", "text": ">> Oh, well, thank you. That's great."}, {"start": "01:29:32", "end": "01:29:34", "text": ">> We thank you for joining the flying"}, {"start": "01:29:33", "end": "01:29:36", "text": "self, sir."}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:36", "text": ">> Well, thank you for your service. Have a"}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:40", "text": "great afternoon."}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:40", "text": ">> You, too."}]

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I"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "always tell people, be careful what you"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "ask for. It might happen. There's no"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "disaster like success when you're not"}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "ready for it to happen. And and uh on"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "March 13th, 1992, I endeavored to go"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "down to uh the famous or infamous"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "depending your perspective, Gulf Breeze,"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "Florida to do a um a presentation and"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:31", "text": "then a dayong workshop about the CETI"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "research and protocols. And we went down"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "there and uh"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "I'm going to share some things here that"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "I normally don't share publicly. is a"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "small group and it's it's time for the"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "whole story to come out about this. On"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "the way down on the airplane, um I"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "received an override, which is what I"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "call um when a uh subjectively acquired"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "but objectively true message is sent."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "Okay, did you follow that? All right."}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "Now, this mental override, I was riding"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "on that terrible Fauler fo ker airplane"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "that later crashed at Labori airport on"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "US Air. And I was as I was flying along"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "looking at this rickety jet that was"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "made in Finland or some such place. We"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "uh I had the very distinct picture at"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "exactly midnight on that 13th, by the"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "way. It was Friday the 13th, March"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "Friday the [clears throat] 13th, 1992,"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "that there was going to be a um"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "sighting. And I went down there. I said"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "this to several people down in in"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "Florida. And they said, \"Well, no, they"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "all they've not been appearing that"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "late. we usually have these at about uh"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "uh 7 to maybe 10:00 at night. And I"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "said, \"Well, I'm pretty sure we'll have"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "one at midnight.\" So, I gave a lecture"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "much like this and we went out at about"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "10:30 at the um Gulf Bree size of the"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "Pensacola Gulf Breeze Bridge. And there"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "we uh informally were doing some of the"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "sea city protocols. We weren't doing the"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "whole enchilada simply because we had"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "not done the workshop and no one really"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "knew what we were up to. 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This was mentioned"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "immediately to my companions who were"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "there as well as the next day as we"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "started the workshop."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "I knew then that there was some sort of"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "lock on and that that was going to be an"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "important weekend. There had been other"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "significant CE close encounters of the"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "fifth kind. Those of you who are"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "interested in reading about Belgium,"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "what happened in February and some other"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "events, you're free to get these"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "articles that are here. Uh we'll make"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "them available after the talk. [gasps]"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "The next day, we were playing these"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "tones. I was demonstrating [music] these"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "tones, telling people how we were using"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "and why we were using them. Several"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "hours after they were off, three or four"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "women towards the back of the lecture"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "hall heard, guess what? Beep beep beep"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "beep beep beep beep beep. Now they"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "clearly heard them. They looked around."}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "They thought what could this be? The"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "machine was off. They related to this"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "this [music] to me later and I was quite"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "convinced that this was a significant"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "confirmation that somehow they knew what"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "we were up to and they were uh going to"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "deliver."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "Well, we finished the workshop and went"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "out at about 7:00. And [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "one thing that you'll find about me"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "that's fairly unusual is that for a"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "physician, I'm very much on time."}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "So when I say we're going to meet at X"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "place at"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "6:55 and at 7:00 sharp we're leaving."}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "That's what we do. And uh my daughter"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "will attest to that. I'm very much like"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "that about uh being on time. 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And uh there was a road"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "that connected Navar Beach and Gulf"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "Breeze that went alongside this pulloff."}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "And we began our process. And again,"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "this was with a whole group of people"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "thrown in from all over the place. There"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:02", "text": "were people from a number of states and"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "uh this was just a demonstration of what"}, {"start": "00:06:02", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "we would be doing and I often tell"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "people we do these demonstrations and"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "sometimes they're not just a"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "demonstration but the real McCoy occurs"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "and this was one such event. Another"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "event like that happened in Wyoming"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "which you have not heard about you won't"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "hear about tonight because we don't have"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "time. That was in June 28th this year"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "which was my [music] birthday"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "interestingly."}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "uh also the day of the earthquake down"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "here in the California desert. We had uh"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "set up around 7 uh 7:30. We began the"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "group coherent thought sequencing. 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There were three people"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "who simultaneously received an override."}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "Again, this is a remote viewing uh"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "experience that later turns out to have"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "been an objective fact, precognitively"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "received information through"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "consciousness. And as we were doing this"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "uh several of us saw uh three or four of"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "these spacecraft coming and [music] that"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "they would appear they were coming would"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "appear in the northwest. In fact, it is"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "a matter of public record from the MUON"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "Louisiana MUON newsletter from the"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "person who was there from Louisiana that"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "this occurred cuz I came up out of this"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "uh session and I said there will be"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "several and I later said three or four"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "that will appear over in the northwest."}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "guess what? 20 minutes later, they"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "appeared. Four uh UFOs appeared in the"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "northwest a couple of miles from our"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "location"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "and they came towards us. Now, the"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "amazing thing, you're going to see a"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "videotape of this tonight, two"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "videootapes of it. Uh, this was perhaps"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "the uh largest mass sighting of numerous"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "UFOs, I think, that ever occurred with a"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "large number of [music] people uh in the"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "wave that has been going on down there"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "for some years. And uh the significant"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "part about this which distinguishes it"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "from other sky watching attempts where"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "they have seen the Gulf breeze UFO"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "appear is that we invited it to come and"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "it came and then we invited it to do a"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "photon dance with us as I call it signal"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "with us and they did. Now this is very"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "significant because it establishes"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "several things. First of all, that"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "indeed a rightly motivated unified team"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "can vector a spacecraft [music] or"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "several spacecraft into an area and that"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "they can interact with the team."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "Moreover, for the debunkers who have"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "insisted that these are hot air balloons"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "that have come up, we had uh two sets of"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "videotapes, actually there are five or"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "six videotapes, but from two different"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "locations with observers from other"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "points, seven different locations around"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "Gulf [music] Breeze total who saw this."}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "And we were able to determine that the"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "spacecraft moved from their position"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "towards us. I think about 3/4 of a mile,"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "8/10 of a mile against a stiff wind"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "coming off the gulf. A balloon does not"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "do that. Now, one of the things that I"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "think is very important to realize"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "is that as the three the [music] three"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "people who remotely viewed in advance"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "that there were three or four coming,"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "the part that I normally don't talk"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "about which I will share here because I"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "think it's highly significant is that we"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "were also able to see on board each of"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "them as well as their linkup with a"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "command center in deep space. I cannot"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "locate except it was in very very deep"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "space. It was a large command center and"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "that there was a interplanetary"}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "uh council of some sort that was"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "extremely excited that a group of humans"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "had finally stepped out of the shadows"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "and into the light and it said, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "you're there. We're here. We're going to"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "invite you.\" I'm going to retitle a"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "book. Not Richard Hall's uninvited"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "guest. The next one should be called"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "invited guests."}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "Now this experience which the three of"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "us had was quite overwhelming in the"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "element of the joy that was there and"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "the emotional content."}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "The these were not emotionless events at"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "all. The people who were there will tell"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "you that there was scarcely a dry eye."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "There was so much excitement when this"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "event occurred. And I think Don was"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "there and he'll attest to this. Um there"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "were grown men who were weeping"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "with this event. And I think that the"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "power of the event was in the fact that"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "it was a historic turning point where a"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "group of people with high intentionality"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "were attempting and inviting these"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "visitors to come and they came. Not one,"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "not two, but as was mentioned a total of"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "seven of these objects."}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "I have to tell you that the three of us"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "who remote viewed this in advance saw"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "deeply that these"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "visitors were more moved, were more"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "excited than we were. I think it was a"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "bigger event for them than it was for"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "us."}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "At any rate, this event continued and as"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "you'll see on the tape, at one point a"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "triangle is made. they appear and then"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "there's a period where uh they vanish"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "and we're making triangles in the sky"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "and then they reappear in a triangular"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "shape. I think there was a C5 not only"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "in signaling therefore but also in"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "geometric [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "shape. The initial shape by the way was"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "also roughly triangular with a fourth"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "UFO down further towards the horizon."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "This event I don't think we can really"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "overstate the significance and certainly"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "from the point of view of CED's"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "evolution and its protocol evolution was"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "a very very significant moment."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:50", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to [music] the end."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:52", "text": "There's more waiting for you on this"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:54", "text": "channel. Subscribe, turn the bell on and"}, {"start": "00:11:52", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "keep watching because what comes next"}, {"start": "00:11:54", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "goes deeper than this."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:04", "text": ">> [music]"}]

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This is not an appropriate"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "response. And what are they waiting for?"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "People say why don't they land on the"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "white house lawn? I said whose white"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "house? Yeltson's Russian white house"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "bushes Zimbabwis."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "I believe they are waiting for an"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "appropriate global keyword not"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "nationalistic global response from"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "humans."}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "I don't believe we've given it to them"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "yet."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "I want to emphasize"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "before going much further that"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "everything that CEI has done up to this"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "time"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "has been with the vision of establishing"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "a diplomatic and scientific program"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "attempting to establish sustainable"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "bilateral relationships with whoever"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "these visitors are it is an all"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "volunteer project. I work as an"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "emergency physician and with four"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "children we keep ourselves fairly busy"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "but it is a labor of love for everyone"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "who has been involved with it because"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "many of us are convinced that the time"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "has come to close the door on the"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "passivity which humans have demonstrated"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:52", "text": "in greeting this very important"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "phenomenon."}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "We have assessed the following that we"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "are not alone."}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "That the universe is filled with"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "intelligent life. In this we are in"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "agreement with Carl Sean and other"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "mainstream scientists. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "However,"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "in addition to this, we have concluded"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "that they have indeed found a way to get"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "from there to here. that we have not"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "figured out how they've done this in"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "total"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "scientific elaboration is not to dismiss"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "the fact that we are indeed being"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "visited."}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "Now you'll hear me use some terms"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "tonight and so I want to get into uh so"}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "that we have a common understanding when"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "I say UFO"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "I mean extraterrestrial spacecraft."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "Now, this is of course in and of itself"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "controversial [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "even within the UFO community. But let"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "me simply say that we have made an"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "assessment which I think is very"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "important. We are an organization which"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "has gotten off of the fence and has said"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "all right there are all sorts of UFOs."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "Some are ball lightning. Some may be"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "psychic phenomenon. Some may be uh"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "energies related to the earth or earth"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "lights. However, there is a core of"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "reports which clearly establish that"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "[music] there is extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "visitation and extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "involvement with this planet at this"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "time and that it is a uh not a recent"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "phenomenon that it has been going on for"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "decades and perhaps millennia."}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "We have also made the assessment and we"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "will use this term when I use the term"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "extraterrestrial intelligent I am"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "referring to an EIE an extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "biologically based planetary being this"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "is not to say that they don't have mind"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "that they don't have spirit and that"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "perhaps they have found a way to"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "interface between mind and matter in a"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "more advanced way than we have but they"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "are nevertheless biological beings."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "Now these assessments and others that"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "you will hear"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "are very important and key because a lot"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "of what we're hearing in the UFO field"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "is a uh gamish a sort of waste basketing"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "of many many different phenomena plural"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "and calling [music] it the same"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "phenomenon."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "This is a mistake. We need to be able to"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "discern what the basic uh reality of"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "this extraterrestrial [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "phenomenon is and be able to separate"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "that to the extent possible from other"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "things. Now, there's going to be"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "overlap. People are going to report"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "things that are genuinely"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "extraterrestrial. 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[music]"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "And I think we can do that."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "Let me before I go much further share"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "with you a story and the reason why I"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "think it's very important that as a"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "young new science group ufology that we"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "do something which has not been done up"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "to this point"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "in the UFO field."}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "This is something I'm going to say for"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "the first time in a public setting, but"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "it's something which I think is"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "critically important."}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "It is time for us to have the courage of"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "our convictions."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "The time has passed for our sitinning"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "and waffling about what we know to be"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "true."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "Now, I know that this is a call coming,"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "but I'm but it's coming from a place"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "where I know what I'm talking about in"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "terms of having to have the courage."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "It's not every day that an emergency and"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "trauma physician who has people dying in"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "their hands up talking publicly about"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "something like this and being able to"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "still maintain a professional career."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "But we still need to speak the [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "truth of what we know to be true."}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "Now to do this we have to figure out a"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "way around the proof question."}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "Everyone says bring me one of these so I"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "can kick the tires. said, 'Well, the"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "ones with tires are sitting in storage"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "someplace where ain't nobody here going"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "to get in to see it. Maybe someone has,"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "but I haven't."}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "But the proof is out there if we define"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "what that proof is in the context of"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "clinical evidence. In this regard, we"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "need to learn to make a very important"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "distinction between closed conclusions"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "and working assessments."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "Those of you who are researchers here,"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "please listen carefully to what I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "about to say."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "A 55-year-old obese white male appears"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "in the emergency department with"}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "crushing subternal chest pain, radiating"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "into the left arm. They are short of"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "breath and breaking out in sweats and"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "nauseated."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "probably they're having what?"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "A heart attack."}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "However, it might be costtochondritis,"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "inflammation of the breast bone. It"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "might be a pulmonary embleis. It might"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "be pluritic pain from an pneumonia"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "irritating the lining of the lungs. It"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "might be and you can go on and on. There"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "about 10 things it might be that would"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "present very very similarly. If we wait"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "until conclusive [music] proof has come"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "back meaning positive isoenzymes from"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "the cardiac muscle from the heart muscle"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "meaning specific damage being done to"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "the heart muscle before we say ah this"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "patient is having a heart attack"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "guess what patient will be dead [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "before we get the results back. So, what"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "do we do in clinical medicine, clinical"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "science? We make an assessment. And you"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "better make an assessment. And you"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "better do it quickly or you're going to"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "lose your patient. And my word to"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "UFologists tonight is start making your"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "assessments and start making your plans"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "or the patient is going to die. And the"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "patient here is this fledgling field of"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "science."}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "Now"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "this is a bold distinction from the kind"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "of scientific evidentiary requirements"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:25", "text": "of say a physicist where you were"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "wanting to detect a nutrino in a test"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "tube or in a laboratory setting."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "And I believe that when you start"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "talking about interacting with and"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "investigating extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "life, once you make a conclusion,"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "let's call it a tenative assessment. I"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "think here we can really talk about a"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:47", "text": "conclusion that a we are not alone and b"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "that they're already visiting us that we"}, {"start": "00:08:47", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "then have to go into a clinical mode of"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "research and interaction, not a"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "physicist mode. This has been the big"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "mistake of the 50s and 60s and perhaps"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "up to this time in the ufological arena."}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "It needs to be something where we can"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "say here is the evidence. Here are the"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "experiences. Based on that, here's our"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "assessment."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "Now, based on that assessment, here's"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:18", "text": "what we're going to do."}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "Very important step."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "I would suggest to you, those of you who"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "are seriously interested in advancing"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "this field into a new level, into a new"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "quantum orbit, that you ask yourselves,"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "what is it that we can do to bring it"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "into a real time research interactive"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "model?"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "That's what CET is trying to do. We're"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:47", "text": "feeling our way along. We've had some"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "extraordinary, [music] some would say"}, {"start": "00:09:47", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "sensational successes which you're going"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "to hear about tonight, but it is"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "important that we all begin to think"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "along these lines."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "I don't want to bore you with too much"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "scientific [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "stuff, but I think it's very important"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "that I share another model and that is"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "the scientific research model. And there"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "are are several basic different [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "types of investigation."}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "One is retrospective looking back."}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "All right. Basically, 99% of [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "everything that's been done in the UFO"}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "field up to this point has been a"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "retrospective model. Uh whether you're"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "talking about investigating Roswell,"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "interviewing a someone who has had a"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "[music] close interaction or abduction,"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "or whether you're interviewing someone"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "who had a sighting last night, that"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "[music] is retrospective. It is taking"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "information from people who have been"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "involved with something that's already"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "passed. It's over. That retrospective"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "view of things is very important. I'm"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "not knocking it at all. It's been"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "critically important to bring us to"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "where we are today. It needs to [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "continue. But we need to add to it"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "something else. And that is the new"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "model of real time research. Now by this"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "I mean a prospective real time study"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "where you take teams of people, we call"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "them working groups with CETI out into"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "areas"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "up to 10 nights at a time. tremendously"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "time-consuming dedicated work from the"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "people who've done this with us and you"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "are trying to interact with the"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "phenomenon in a real-time setting."}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "Now this is a lot harder to do than a"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "retrospective study. You know"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "retrospective study except in the case"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "of Roswell where we're chasing the"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "[music] undertaker as uh Stanton likes"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "to say can be done pretty much at your"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "leisure. uh it can be done in the"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "comfort of your home or a studio or an"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "office. But real time research in this"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "phenomenon takes dedication to get out"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "of the armchair, turn off Jay Leno, and"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "let's go out and do some research out in"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "the field where this is happening. But"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "then let's take it a step further. This"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "is not a mere skywatch project. [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "Those have been done for 30, 40, 50"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "years. Let's take it a step further and"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "attempt to initiate"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "a dialogue."}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:12", "text": "Now this is something which absolutely"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "is begging to happen. We are convinced"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "at CEDI"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "that these visitors, whoever they may be"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "and wherever they may be from,"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "have been knocking on our front door and"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "at our back door and at our side door"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "and at the basement door"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "for many, many years, but for 50 years"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "very intensely. And what are they"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:35", "text": "waiting for?"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:37", "text": "People say, \"Why don't they land on the"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "White House lawn?\" I said, \"Who's White"}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "House?\" [music] Yeltson's, Russian White"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:45", "text": "House, Bushes, Zimbabwis."}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:48", "text": "I believe they are waiting for an"}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "appropriate global keyword, not"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "nationalistic, [music] global response"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "from humans."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "I don't believe we've given it to them"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "yet and I would suggest that we get on"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "about the business of doing it as soon"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "as we can."}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "Let me describe what I mean by that."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "What would be an appropriate response?"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "Well, perhaps sometimes the best way to"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "to to figure out the the dimensions of"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "light is to first contrast it with the"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "dimensions [music] of darkness."}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "So, let's talk about what the"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "inappropriate responses have been here"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "before. A former State Department uh"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "employee was relating to me that when he"}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "was growing up in a southern state, the"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "United States that a extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "spacecraft structured craft landed in"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "the field backfield of his home. His"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "father immediately ran, got a shotgun,"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "went out and shot at it. This is not an"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "appropriate response. All right, we"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "laugh. But if you look at the research,"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "this has been a very dominant response"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "both from the military"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "around the world and also from"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "civilians."}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "All right. So assumed hostility being"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "greeting phenomenon with shooting and"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "carrying on is not an appropriate"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "response."}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "And let's talk about another"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "inappropriate response."}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "We're trying to capture one of these"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "things so we can backgineer it like the"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "Japanese have Mercedes"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "so that we can build a better bomber."}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "Wrong. This is not an appropriate"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "response. It is a morabond response that"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "is doomed to failure."}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "Let's talk about another motivation or"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "another inappropriate response."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "We want to go out and take a photograph"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "or movie tape so I can sell it to uh"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "what some tabloid uh unsolved mysteries."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "Excuse me if anyone's from that film for"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "$5 million."}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "Is that an appropriate reason to be"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "seeking contact with non-aterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "visitors? The answer is of course all"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "those should be intuitively obvious no."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "But that if you look at the UFO field"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "and if you look at the governmental"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "fields I mean talking here civilian and"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "military civilian and government that"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "has been the predominant modus operande"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "motivating factor I believe we have to"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "reach to a higher level of integrity"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "where our motivations for engaging in"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "this bold step of real time research"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "going out to establish a sustainable"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "relationship with the visitors needs to"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "be beyond reproach. It must not be"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "nationalistic. [music] It must not"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "redown to the benefit of only one nation"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "on the planet. It must be global in its"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "scope. It must not be for self"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "arrandisement or profiteering. [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "It needs to be for the purpose of"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "entering into something very simple"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "saying hi y'all. Okay, it sounds very"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "simple but simply let's begin [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "with establishing"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "a relationship that is out of the"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "darkness and into the light. This is a"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "big step taking this whole phenomenon"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "out of the shadows and into the light of"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "a conscious tet between a team of human"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "people, researchers, diplomats if you"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "will to the universe and these visitors."}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "We must begin to do this. And it is too"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "important a task to leave to the"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "governments of the world to do."}, {"start": "00:16:25", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "I also believe that it is something we"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:30", "text": "must do together."}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "People say, \"Well, can't you do this"}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "just one person? Can't you go out on a"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "mountaintop and use some of the"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "protocols you've been developing and"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "have a spacecraft land or be beamed on"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "board and have your own little tea"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "party?\" The answer is yes, you can. It's"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "been done."}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "But we need to be moving beyond that. We"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "need to be moving into a situation where"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "people working as a unified team [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "are interacting with these visitors for"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "high intentions for specific purposes"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "and consciously not any suspended"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "animation, [music] no missing time, but"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "in a conscious fully functional psychoot"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "motor capability."}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "I'm going to say something here. I'm"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "going to say many things tonight that"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "are wildly controversial, especially in"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "the UFO, interestingly, more in the UFO"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "community than in the nonUFO community."}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "But it is my assessment that to the"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "extent that we successfully formulate a"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "plan and begin to initiate a plan for"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "conscious"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "interaction"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "that is responsible. In other words, we"}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "are responsible for our actions."}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "To the extent that we do that, to that"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "extent, involuntary interactions will"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "decrease."}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "We must ask ourselves, have the"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "involuntary interactions been the result"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "of our inability to formulate a plan of"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "action that is voluntary."}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "I believe we create our own reality and"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "I believe we must take responsibility"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "for the reality which we create. So I"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "would say let us move on to creating"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "this new reality. We can seize the"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "moment. The time is now. We're in the"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:14", "text": "last decade of the last century of this"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "millennium. And I think it is very"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "important that we realize that the time"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "has come for the mature maturation of"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "the human race into a global"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "civilization which will then evolve into"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "a universal civilization. [music]"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "We are in the very early embryionic"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "stages of that potentiality and it is up"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "to us to seize the moment."}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "So what are we doing at C City?"}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:45", "text": "Well, I wish I had six hours instead of"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "two, but and those of you who have the"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "stamina are welcome to stay. You know,"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "I'm the people who know me is at 3:00,"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "no problem. I'm up all night taking care"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "of emergencies. So,"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "I wear everybody out. You know, we were"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "in England for 10 days. You're going to"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "hear this incredible account of the"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "research. And uh we were up till 3 and"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "4:00 in the morning for 10 days in a"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "row. And there was a woman who was a"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "research scientist in Ohio who was with"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "us who went back. I called her a month"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "later and she says, \"God, I'm just now"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "recovering from that trip you put me"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "through.\" But it was worth it and it"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "will be. You'll hear you'll hear the"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:17", "text": "account."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "CETI is attempting"}, {"start": "00:19:17", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "in our humble way"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "to formulate nothing less than"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "the early foundations of interplanetary"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "unity, the early foundations of [music]"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "interplanetary society and civilization."}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "What we are working towards is a full"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "landing and meeting between our boarding"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "party, trained boarding party members"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "and one or more of these"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": "extraterrestrial civilizations."}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "The question is, is that an outrageously"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:54", "text": "ambitious goal? And I believe the answer"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "is [music] no. It is not. It is very"}, {"start": "00:19:54", "end": "00:20:02", "text": "doable. To the extent that we know it is"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:04", "text": "doable, to that extent it will happen."}, {"start": "00:20:02", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "I believe that we do create our own"}, {"start": "00:20:04", "end": "00:20:10", "text": "reality and if we put our sights on this"}, {"start": "00:20:06", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "goal, it will manifest itself with great"}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "certainty and [music] with great vigor."}, {"start": "00:20:15", "end": "00:20:19", "text": "We have determined that there is a"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:23", "text": "[music] research category which has"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:25", "text": "often been left out of uh the"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:28", "text": "consideration of this field for many"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:31", "text": "many years and that is called a close"}, {"start": "00:20:28", "end": "00:20:33", "text": "encounter of the fifth kind."}, {"start": "00:20:31", "end": "00:20:36", "text": "Many of you may have heard this term by"}, {"start": "00:20:33", "end": "00:20:40", "text": "now is one that we coined to describe a"}, {"start": "00:20:36", "end": "00:20:44", "text": "human initiated contact or human"}, {"start": "00:20:40", "end": "00:20:46", "text": "cooperative contact as opposed to in an"}, {"start": "00:20:44", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "involuntary or passive one."}, {"start": "00:20:46", "end": "00:20:49", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:51", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:20:49", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:20:51", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "watching because what comes next goes"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "deeper than this."}]

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This woman and her"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "husband saw a huge beam of light come"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "down out through the sky and illuminate"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "the crop circle field where we had just"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "vacated. And we took the light and"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "shined at it. Signal to it twice and it"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "went"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "went right back to us. Flashed right"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "back to us. We repeated this. It again"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "signaled to us and then it went below a"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "tree line and was lost out of sight."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "Now, [clears throat] the interesting"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "thing about this is that as we were"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "leaving to go to that place where this"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "event transpired,"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "Colin Andrews, who had been on top of"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "Woodborough Hill, was leaving and as he"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "left at the towards the back of his car,"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "a whole group of people heard this"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "trilling sound, which I played for you"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "earlier."}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "He did not hear it, but everyone else"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "did cuz he was in his car. 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No"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "[music] one has been able to explain"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "what that was."}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "Another piece of high strangeness to use"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "Dr. Heinik's term"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "also was that there was a couple Peter"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "Davenport and uh a woman named uh I'm"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "blocking on her first name, her last"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "name is Young was coming down off of"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "Woodborough Hill in this rain and she"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "had the same compelling override that I"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "had had. She says, \"I must stay. I must"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "stay. I [music] there's something"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "happening that I have to see.\" She"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "stayed up on top but down the downward"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "slope of Woodbor Hill away from the side"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "where our event was taking place where"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "we were seeing the spaceship come"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "through the field. But she was looking"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "on the side down where we had previously"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "been located in this now muddied field"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "where there was a crop circle there. It"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "was either before during or after but it"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "was in the immediate time frame of when"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "the spacecraft was coming through the"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "field. By the way, that was a 10 to 15"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:39", "text": "minute flight at close range. Believe"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "me, there was real intensity there at"}, {"start": "00:02:39", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "that site. This woman and her husband"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "saw a huge beam of light come down out"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "through the sky and illuminate the crop"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "circle field where we had just vacated."}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "Now, we didn't see this cuz now we were"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "on the other side, but she saw this and"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "thank goodness she stayed up there to"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:01", "text": "see it."}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "Well, at this point, Chris Manzel and"}, {"start": "00:03:01", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "others [music] were so excited that I I"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "think they were about to bust out of"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "their skin. But, uh, little known to me,"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "uh, Maria Ward, who is a close research"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "associate of Colin Andrews, had been"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "driving a friend home and the rain and"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:20", "text": "came back to rejoin. Didn't know exactly"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "where we were, but she parked at the"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "manor house uh of this farm and did not"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "drive over the cattle grate because she"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "didn't want to wake up the people in the"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "house. This was now 12:20 a.m. on the"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "27th."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "She"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:37", "text": "walked towards us. Never did see exactly"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "where we were in the dark, but arrived"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "in time to see the spacecraft coming"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "through the field. She saw the signaling"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "and she saw the probe detach off of it."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:50", "text": "So, we have multiple witnesses from"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "several sites. It's to my great regret"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "there's no videotape as my camcorder was"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "soaked and would not work. However, we"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "have excellent drawings from everyone"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "who saw it as well as the on on-site u"}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "micro cassette recording of the events"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "as they transpired."}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "Now, amazingly, what we found next is"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "[music] that"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "over the next hour,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "we were to have this continuing"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "electrical feeling and the compass going"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "counterclockwise. The lights on this"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "spacecraft, by the way, were also"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "running counterclockwise. And I have to"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "tell you that its appearance, the color"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "of the lights, the intensity of the"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "lights, and the way that they moved were"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "identical to the spacecraft that passed"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "over the zenith of the sky on the 24th."}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "Uh if you remember my mentioning a"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "moment ago. Now, at this [music] point,"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "we didn't know what was going to happen."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "And we were amazed when a about 1 hour"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "after the initial sighting at 1:25 a.m."}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "a another UFO appeared this time further"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "away about 1 to two miles. An amber"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "colored UFO that was [music] spinning"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "and it came over, hovered and wobbled in"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "a very strange way that many people have"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:11", "text": "re seen these UFOs perform. It at that"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "point hung there and we took the light"}, {"start": "00:05:11", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "and shined at it. Signal to it twice and"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "it went"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "went right back to us. Flashed right"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "back to us. We repeated this. It again"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "signaled to us and then it went below a"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "tree line and was lost out of sight."}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "I have to tell you that this was one of"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "the most significant events of uh"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "anyone's life who was there. I believe"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "and I I I have to say that uh many of"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "the people who later heard of this were"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "able to confirm that a similar shaped"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "craft had been seen in the area over the"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "last several years. And in fact, one"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "woman related. Uh I forget if it was"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "1991"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "or another year that a craft very much"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "the same in description was seen by an"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "entire family only a few miles from that"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "same location."}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "This of course"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "was an amazing close encounter of the"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "fifth kind and it has taught us in my"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "mind that we need to gear up for"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "highlevel close encounters which will"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "include landings [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:26", "text": "with meetings and boardings. When that"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "will happen, [music] I don't know. But"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "when I used to say within 20 years, now"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "I'm perhaps saying within 20 months. And"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "I think that we need to take seriously"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "the responsibility"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "for creating this reality and bringing"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "it forward to a new height of"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "relationship that can be open and"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "verified by an entire team of people"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "attempting to bridge"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "interplanetary space both in terms of"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "physical space but more importantly in"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "terms of spiritual space in developing a"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "relationship [music] between our people"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "and whoever these visitors are. One"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "second."}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:03", "text": ">> I'll take care of it. I keep it turned"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "off."}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": ">> Okay. Two parts. Number one, when you"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "get the pre-cognitive information about"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "the coming event, how exactly do you how"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "exactly did you receive that word form?"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "Is it spoken words? Uh,"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> no. It's"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "images."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "Well, you know, to get into this has to"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "be um a discussion of something called"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "ritara pragya which in the Sanskrit text"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "is a level of awareness that is a"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "precedes um uh thought form and also"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "precedes uh images and it's basic"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "knowingness knowledge. Um but then it"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "gets translated into you know your way"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "of expressing it whether you see it"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "visually or um with uh words. And in"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "fact all knowledge that is intuited is"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "actually arrives through this level"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "called rhythm bar pragia. It's a very"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "complex question but basically um"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "usually and it will be sort of a a"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "vision. It will be a like a"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "three-dimensional vision. I don't know"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "if I should say this,"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "a very powerful remote viewing um"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "consistent that has occurred is that"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "there will be"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "a nighttime but more importantly a broad"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "daylight landing and boarding in the"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "southwestern United States. Um and this"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "is uh anyway I think it's all but"}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "certain and u that's really all I want"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "to say about that."}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:37", "text": ">> Okay. Um, how many sea set groups now"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "and where are they?"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:42", "text": ">> Well, let's see. San Francisco, Los"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "Angeles, and another one uh outside of"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "Los Angeles. [music] There's two in the"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "LA area. It's three. Denver, Fort"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "Collins, uh, Boulder, uh, two in North"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "Carolina, Florida, um, England. There"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "are working group members. Uh, I don't"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "know, they're not functioning that"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "often. We're going to go there for this,"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "uh, spring to do an intensive there for"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "Germany. And also Michael might be able"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "to help us with that some. And um"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "where else?"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "Although there are other places um New"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "England and um I call it count New"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "England, you know, it's smaller than"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "Colorado. So we call count that as one"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "geographical area. So Las Vegas does not"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "uh and Phoenix has a working group. So"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "they're in various stages of"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "functionality or dysfunctionality. um uh"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "some of them are extremely functional,"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "others are still trying to get their"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "feet. You know, the key to this, of"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "course, is is being able to function in"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "a team setting to be able to function in"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "a way with that you can have integrity"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "and uni unity. And of course, the big"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "problem is is that there are very few"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "people who want to commit the time and"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "resources to [music] doing this. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "much easier to stay at home and watch"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "Jay Leno. Yes. Yes, ma'am. You have a"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "question."}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:54", "text": ">> Yes. I've enjoyed the pictures and all"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "your information very much."}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:59", "text": ">> Thank you. However, I have to say I hope"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "uh we're not being a little bit too"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "naive. I remember how the Indians"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "created Columbus and what they got."}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "Um I have never felt more hopeless and"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "helpless in my life than my poor little"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "friend who has been denied sleep."}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "She is so filled with anxiety [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "and uh"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "she"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "sometimes they have been nice and then"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "other times they turn right around and"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "they're terribly terribly evil to her"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "and she she has tried to uh find some"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "kind of reprob with these things that"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "take her against her will."}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:46", "text": ">> Mhm. [clears throat] And uh and this has"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "happened since she was tiny. And see,"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "she certainly did not project anything"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "evil to to deserve this. And some people"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "have said you get what you project."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:56", "text": ">> No, no, no. I don't think that's"}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "necessarily true."}, {"start": "00:10:56", "end": "00:11:01", "text": ">> Said this has been not you. But I'm"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "saying this has been said. I'm saying"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "this is a perfectly lovely creature who"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "gives nothing but love. She's a very uh"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "com compassionate, genuinely full of"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "integrity and yet she is she is deprived"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "of her life practically and I feel very"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "angry about this. I feel really really"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "really angry."}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": ">> Yes, I understand that and I think there"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "there's some cause for people to feel"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "some sense of helplessness and angst"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "over it. However,"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "I think we have to number one, there are"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "a number of experiences people are"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "having. Some are interactions with"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "extraterrestrials. Some are interactions"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "with non-physical beings that can be"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "easily mistaken. [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "And some are intracychic processes."}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "There's a whole gish of things which"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "none of the quote unquote abduction"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "experts have addressed. And it's a"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "really big problem. But let me comment"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "also on the fact that I think we have to"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "be careful in uh you know I was talking"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "to Dr. John Salter up at the University"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "of North Dakota and he described an"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:10", "text": "experience very similar to what many"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "people have experiences other people"}, {"start": "00:12:10", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "have had that have been rather"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "frightening and I think that we have to"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "appreciate the fact that different"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "people are going to react to the same"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "stimulus and view it in different ways."}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "This is not blaming the victim but"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "listen to what I'm about to say. A"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:29", "text": "two-year-old comes in and needs to have"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "has a terrible ear ache. All right. One"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:34", "text": "two-year-old says, \"Okay, look.\" And we"}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "look."}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "Another one takes 16 people to hold them"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": "down while we look. Now, it's the same"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "doctor, the same otoscope that looks in"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "the air, the same room, the same"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "everything. But the reaction, the"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "perception and the reaction is totally"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "different. So I think we have to make a"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:56", "text": "distinction [music] between uh our re p"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "perception of and reaction to a stimulus"}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "and the motivating force behind it. And"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "this is something which you know in a"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "very fasile way we'd like to sort of of"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "linearly connect those things. But I but"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "I encourage people to recognize that"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "uh there's a great many things being"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "considered uh that that we just we we"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "really cannot answer all the questions"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "and so we have to maintain an open mind."}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:27", "text": "Uh certainly people are entitled to"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "their feelings but that's different than"}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "establishing policies or firm belief"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "systems concerning the motivations or"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "the purposes. For example, we might be"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "visitors to this planet might be"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "forgiven if they view the human race as"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "one that is headlong on its way towards"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "extinction. In the last 100 years, the"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "50 years, the average sperm count"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "worldwide uh has [music] decreased by"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "half amongst males worldwide, not just"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "in industrialized countries. This is a"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "scientific fact. It was recently"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "published uh this summer. We have to"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:05", "text": "recognize that anyone viewing this"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "century [music] would see that the major"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "uh powers on the planet have been very"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "much oriented towards a policy called"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "mutually assured destruction or mad so"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "that in the event of a conflict that the"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "entire world would be ended. Uh we have"}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "to recognize that the ecosystem in 50"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "years has gone through massive damage."}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "So visitors coming to this planet from"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "another area might view us very much"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "like the Titanic about to hit the"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "iceberg, proverbial iceberg. And so the"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:36", "text": "question becomes, you know, this is"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "where I even get to to a problem with"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "the term abduction. You know, if you're"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "on this bow of the Titanic [music] and"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "it's sinking and you're plucked from the"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "bow, were you rescued or were you"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "abducted? And the question is a very"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "important question. I don't think we can"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "answer it, but I think we have to"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "maintain a certain amount of objectivity"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "and open-mindedness when we consider"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "these things. But I do hear what you're"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "saying about people's anxiety."}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:02", "text": ">> One thing I'd like to say is that u"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "she was 8 years old and she was uh"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "screaming and crying and in much pain"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "and uh this"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "human was on the other side of the room"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "and he laughed at her when she said,"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "\"I'm going to kill you when I get up.\""}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "And he just laughed at her. Now this was"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "not an Eevee or anything else. thought"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:25", "text": "it was a human and uh [snorts] he he"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "thought it was very funny and this is I"}, {"start": "00:15:25", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "I think it's uh unforgivable. I they"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "could at least if they're going to be"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "doing these experiments, they could at"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "least anesthetize them or or do it in a"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "more kinder and gentler way. That's all"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "I have to say."}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": ">> Okay. Thank you."}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:47", "text": ">> Um the crashed saucer, why did it end"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "there? What happened after that?"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": ">> Nobody knows. It's it's [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "understood that apparently it was"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "retrieved because the next day it was"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "gone. Where it went, we do not know who"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "took it, we do not know. It was said in"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "the memo that came to us that it was the"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:09", "text": "uh what was it? Uh the Department of uh"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "National Defense of Canada. Um"}, {"start": "00:16:09", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "and um"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> yeah, apparently it was a landing. I"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "don't know if there was any damage to"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "the craft. Yes, ma'am. Um, yes. I'm the"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "woman I'm the I'm the 8-year-old child"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "that this woman uh has spoke about"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "previously, right?"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:30", "text": ">> And uh I'm I'm hesitant about speaking."}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "I'm not going to begin to challenge you."}, {"start": "00:16:30", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "What I'm going to say is that the"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "analogy of a of a trauma team in a"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "surgical hospital where a child's been"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "taken has been injured is I mean"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "completely it doesn't even it's not even"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "logical compared to uh let's say you"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "have a child and a group of trauma team"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:52", "text": "if you want to use that analogy climbs"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "into the window in the middle of the"}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:57", "text": "night and starts procedures on that"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "child and you you you tell me how you're"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "going to feel about that. As far as I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "concerned, being open-minded does not"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "mean denying"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "uh very concrete evidence, uh which"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "doesn't seem to fit into a reality"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "structure. In a murder case, the"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "prosecution's best evidence is the"}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "eyewitnesses. For some reason, in this"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "particular phenomenon, the abductees are"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "are almost the last people that are"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:25", "text": "given credibility."}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:27", "text": ">> No, we have many of them on our teams."}, {"start": "00:17:25", "end": "00:17:29", "text": ">> I see that. this analogy of the the good"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:32", "text": "and the bad, you've got to understand"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "something. There are negative groups,"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "there may be positive groups. The fact"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "is the the intrusion upon them into an"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "evolving consciousness such as ours, uh"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "it just doesn't wash with this idea that"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "we have of the good guys and bad guys"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "and and and and as far as I'm concerned,"}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "there's no justification for either. and"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "any group that wants to come here and"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "have a culture exchange or or go to"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "Disneyland with us should it should be"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "done so in an appropriate manner and uh"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "you know so talk trying to justify the"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "end justifies means uh as far as I'm"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "concerned uh you can we can only look to"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "our own history to see where that led us"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "and uh in my own experience there were"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "medical personnel and and you ought to"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "start thinking about that there are"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "people and I'm not accusing you but your"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "own peers are involved olved in this as"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "far as the uh inductions goes. One one"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:29", "text": "other comment I want to make uh I am"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "experiencing in my in my room a"}, {"start": "00:18:29", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "acoustical uh pulsing sound in a beam"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "effect. It's running a vertical and a"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "horiz horizontal pattern. I've had this"}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:44", "text": "experience at other places and anybody"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "who's who's noticed this in their room"}, {"start": "00:18:44", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "uh you should come and talk to me. It's"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "not, this is not any way a benevolent uh"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "force. Now, I don't know if it's a"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:55", "text": "military alien. All I know is that it is"}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "occurring. There's been all kinds of"}, {"start": "00:18:55", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "problems with elevators and other people"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "are having experiences here. If if"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "anybody here has has experienced that in"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "their room,"}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> I mean at this hotel"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:09", "text": ">> at this hotel, anybody who wants to"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "experience it can go up to my room 2717."}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "Uh so that's all I want to say about"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "that. that anybody wants to has noticed"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "that you know can talk to me or I would"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "suggest if you are having that in your"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "room you should you move move to another"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "room or move out of the hotel. Thank"}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "you."}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:27", "text": ">> Okay. I appreciate your viewpoint. Other"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "questions?"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "Any other questions before we close?"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "Apparently not. Okay. Thank you very"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "much and stay in touch with us."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:42", "text": ">> [applause]"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": ">> Stay true. Thank you. It's been great."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> Thanks [music] for staying to the end."}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:51", "text": "There's more waiting for you on this"}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:52", "text": "channel. Subscribe, turn the bell on,"}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "and keep [music] watching because what"}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:57", "text": "comes next goes deeper than this."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "And they flash at it, and guess what? It"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "stops. It turns around. It comes over"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "and it flashes back. And it does it for"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "half an hour."}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": ">> Good."}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": ">> All right. Maybe it lands."}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "This, by the way, happened in Arizona"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "back in 1981. But he sees the craft"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "and he thinks, \"God, I wish it would"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "move to the right so I could see it"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "better.\" Immediately, it moves. \"I wish"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "it would come closer.\" And it"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "immediately comes closer."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:27", "text": ">> [gasps]"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": ">> Or"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "\"I wish it would land.\" And it lands."}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "And we interviewed a man, and this will,"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "by the way, happen more than once in"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Belgium,"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "who was led home by a large triangular"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "spacecraft. And I'll show you some"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "photographs of them in a moment."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "Led home."}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "You know, it's one thing to be out in a"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "field"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "or be out on a beach in Gulf Breeze and"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "to see a spacecraft"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "fly by or UFO go by and watch it and"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "photograph it and document it. It's"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "another thing to say, \"Whoa, wait a"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "minute. They're there. We're here. We're"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "going to reach out to them and say"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:12", "text": "hello.\""}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "Somehow, we're going to do it."}, {"start": "00:01:12", "end": "00:01:17", "text": "And guess what? In many cases, they come"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:19", "text": "around and they say hello back. That's"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "when you need your Depends Undergarments"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:22", "text": "on, but we'll get into that in a moment."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:25", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:27", "text": ">> Now,"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "a close encounter of the fifth kind we"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "divide into two types. First degree and"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": "second degree. You'll forgive me if I"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "obsess and compulsed here a little bit."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "I'm a medical doctor and we do these"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "sort [music] of things."}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "A first degree close encounter of the"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "fifth kind is when there is no UFO in"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:46", "text": "the area. You go out to an site de novo."}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "It's a new setting."}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "There may or may not have been reports"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "of UFOs in the past, but there's none"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "there at the moment. And you engage in"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:56", "text": "specific protocols to attempt [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:58", "text": "to vector or or"}, {"start": "00:01:56", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "a UFO into that site with the express"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "purpose of interacting with the"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "occupants [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "of the UFO."}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "That's a primary first degree."}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "Okay, close the camera on the fifth"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "kind. A second degree close encounter of"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "the fifth kind is when you happen, if"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "you believe in coincidences in this"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "universe, you happen to be some place a"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "UFO comes by. This happened in in"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "Belgium in 1990 with a group of army"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "soldiers."}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:25", "text": ">> And it's going along and somebody has"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "the presence of mind that instead of"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "just gawking at it saying, \"Oh my god,"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "look at this thing.\" and being"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "speechless, they go over and get a"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "high-powered light out of their car and"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "they flash at it and guess what? It"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "stops. It turns around. It comes over"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "and it flashes [music] back and it does"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "it for half an hour."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:46", "text": "All right, maybe it lands."}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "That is a second"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "degree because it was already there. You"}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "didn't vector it into the primary site,"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "but once it was there you took the"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "initiative. Keyword initiative to do"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "something to interact with these"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "visitors."}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:00", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:02", "text": ">> Now, these are just examples. I'm not"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "going to have time tonight to go into"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "all the different cases that we've"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "researched through the literature. Some"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "of them are in There's some papers here,"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "which Bob we were going to put on a"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "table back there, but there's 11"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "articles in a in this collection of"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "papers of CSETI and"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "they go through one of them goes through"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "a number of these close encounters of"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "the fifth kind and they are very"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "important because they document how"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "these have happened in the past. How is"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "it that people have successfully [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "in multi-witness cases, we're only going"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "on ones where there are multiple"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "witnesses of good credibility. How What"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:40", "text": "what modalities of contact have been"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:42", "text": "used to successfully"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "say, \"Hey y'all.\" and they say, \"Hey"}, {"start": "00:03:42", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "y'all.\" back."}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "they break into three categories. Light,"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "sound, and remarkably thought. The last"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "one we're going to spend some time on."}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "We have determined that both first"}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "degree and second degree close"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "encounters of the fifth kind [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:06", "text": "have occurred through light modality."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "There are accounts of people using"}, {"start": "00:04:06", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "high-powered lasers where they have"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "successfully then it well and in many"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "cases serendipitously vector the craft"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "into the area so that they pass as low"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "as 100 ft over their site."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "This has happened on more than one"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "occasion. So, we are using high-powered"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "lights and when we can get them out to"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "the site lasers."}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "Lasers present a problem. They take a"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "hell of a lot of power to generate a"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "a strong laser. A 22 W green argon"}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "spectrophysics laser takes a"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "tractor-trailer almost full of cooling"}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "equipment and power generating equipment"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "to run."}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "A smaller laser needs less power."}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:45", "text": "We are also using conventional"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "high-powered lights. Some are xenon,"}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "halogen, what have you."}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "One of the ones that we have that's very"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "portable is a 1 and 1/2 million"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "candlepower. This will reach out about"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "30 mi. It's quite"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "uh quite effective and uh"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "it can effectively"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "strike an object uh out that far."}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "Uh to give you an idea, it's somewhere"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "on the order of uh"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "25 to 30 times brighter than a car"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "headlight on high beam. And if you've"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "ever been on a jet at 35,000 ft, you can"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "look down and see the lights. So, this"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "would be facing up towards the sky"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "making specific geometric patterns that"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "show intelligent keyword intelligent"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "life down on the planet here."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "We often joke that sometimes there in"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "our excitement some of the patterns may"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "become less intelligent than we would"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "like."}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "we have discussed this before where we"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "we have really tried to focus in on this"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "concept of a contact trilogy. That there"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "is a a"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "uh modality aspect to to this research."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "And one of them is light, and one of"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "them is thought."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "The other one is sound. The sound part"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "is very, very important. I want to play"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "for you, if we have our audio person"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "around,"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "is he back [music] in his tent?"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": ">> Right here, sir."}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> Nope, he's out on his table. But, uh I"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "want to play for you some tones which we"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "have been using. And before he plays"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "them, I want to describe why I think"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "they are important. [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "These beeping tones which you're about"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "to hear have been recorded"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "in each case with multiple witnesses in"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "direct sight of a spacecraft."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "We are certain that these are"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "extraterrestrially mediated tones, and"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "as such, we think they are important for"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "us to use. We are using them in our"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "research teams for the purpose of"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "letting the visitors know that if they"}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "do lock on to our group, that we are"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "using their own tones, so that they know"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "that we are indeed trying to contact"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "them and not doing something else."}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "Key point here, multiple systems. We're"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "going to be using high-powered lights,"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "we're going to be using these tones, and"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "in a moment you're going to hear about"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "something called coherent thought"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "sequencing and remote viewing, which we"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "are also using. But, let me say that"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "these tones I think are a key part of it"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "simply because it is a confirmatory"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "source for the visitors to know that we"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "are indeed trying to contact them during"}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "whatever activity we're doing. You're"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "going to hear a trilling sound tone"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "which will be reduced in speed by half,"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "and then half again, and half again."}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "These were recorded in the crop circle"}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "areas"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "of Southern England, and they've also"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "been heard elsewhere. A CSETI group on"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "top of a 6,200-ft mountain in Western"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "North Carolina about a month ago heard"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "the same tone when it was in the middle"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "middle of a research project. [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "Everyone there heard it. This was also"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "heard this summer during the CSETI CPR"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "Colin Andrews group joint research"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "project in England, which you'll hear"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "extensively about in a few minutes. But"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "these these we believe are very very"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "important and let no one fool you about"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "this. These are not by any means"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "a grasshopper warbler or anything of the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "sort. These are clearly"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "not unnatural in the sense of"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "not being a cricket or anything like"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "that. Go ahead and play it. You'll hear"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "the tones."}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "Okay, that's the initial. That's the"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "trilling that was heard."}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "There are two tones in there. They'll"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "slow it down in a minute. You'll hear"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "both of them."}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "Can you hear the two segments?"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "Each time you hear this, it's reduced in"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "speed by half."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": ">> Got some distortion over that speaker."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "Some people when they hear these they"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "they feel like they they sound somewhat"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "familiar."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "And uh"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "we have interviewed a number of people"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "who have heard beeping tones in"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "association with uh close encounters"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "with UFOs."}, {"start": "00:10:11", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "Besides the ones who have recorded these"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "tapes, people who did not have a a tape"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "recorder running."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "Okay, let's hear the next tape. I think"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> The first recording you will hear"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "are some beeping sounds that were"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "recorded"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "outdoors in the spring of 1975"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "um in a small southern Ontario town."}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "Basically, isolated area full of"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "farmland and swamp."}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "These beeping sounds preceded"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "a close encounter of an aerial craft"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "that was witnessed by four people."}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "Um the craft was about 25 ft across and"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "10 ft in center"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "and had several red lights revolving"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:56", "text": "around it counterclockwise."}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "These beeping sounds were heard on many"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "different occasions over a period of 2"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "years in this area."}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "The sounds could be heard before up to a"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "quarter of a mile away when they were"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "happening and anybody entering into the"}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "field"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "where these sounds were coming from"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "would walk away with a form of magnetic"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "energy."}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "One girl reported holding a compass when"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "she got back to the house and noticing"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "that it would spin in her hand."}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "In this tape that lasts about a minute"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "and a half, the beginning is very"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "difficult to listen to because there are"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "so many handling the mic"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "and it's very"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "loud and abrasive. You should also be"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "able to hear crickets and owls,"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "but beneath it all you will hear this"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "steady beep."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "And towards the end of the tape it"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "changes pitch very slightly."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "You hear it?"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "It's going to change here in a moment."}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "You hear it? Pitch went up there."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "Apparently, uh she said that at that"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "point it was moving. I don't know if it"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "was the Doppler effect or something"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "related to its uh propulsion system."}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "That's fine. Uh hold the hold the last"}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "tape. We're not going to have time to go"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "into that one. I do want to mention that"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:23", "text": "an astounding corroborating piece of"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "evidence has come to our attention"}, {"start": "00:13:23", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "uh this fall. March 3rd, 1992 in New"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "Hampshire a an entire family uh was"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "witnessed to a a significant event where"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "a large triangular spacecraft,"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:41", "text": "completely silent, came over their house"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "and apparently there's there's a very"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "long case that we have an associate"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "who is this woman who made these [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "recordings in Canada is researching, but"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "this family recorded the same beeps and"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "they are identical in their tonality and"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "and and cadence to these. And we also"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "have that tape here. This is very"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "significant we feel because"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "apparently that sighting and and those"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:07", "text": "tapes [music] being played was on the"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:09", "text": "anniversary"}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "to the day of when the first set were"}, {"start": "00:14:09", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "made. Maybe a coincidence, but some of"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:15", "text": "these coincidences are after there's so"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "many of them are a little hard to take"}, {"start": "00:14:15", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "as only coincidences."}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "The whole approach to this contact"}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "trilogy that CSETI has evolved and and I"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "want to emphasize here that it's"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "constantly under evolution. When we go"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "out into the field and apply these"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "things, whether it be high-powered"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "lights or the tones, we're always"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "finding new and different ways to do it"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "[music] and it's a very much an in"}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "evolution process. It's very much an"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "experiment. But"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "a key part to it, although many people"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:45", "text": "will focus on this as the exclusive part"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "in it, please do not do that. It is"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "perhaps in in many respects because of"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "the nature of it a sensational aspect of"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "it is the use of mind technology or"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "consciousness."}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "Let me comment here on the importance of"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:01", "text": "this in the UFO field and in fact in"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "society in general. We just think it's"}, {"start": "00:15:01", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "the just UFO field, but I think in"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "society in general it's a critically"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "important"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "piece of evidence."}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "If you look at the case [music] reports"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "from Hudson Valley, from Belgium, from"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "all over the world over the last 30 or"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "40 years, you will find over and over"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "again that there are people, just"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "ordinary Joe Blow, you know, works at"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "GM's plant that's now closed or"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "something guy and he sees a craft."}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "This by the way happened in Arizona back"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "in 1981. But he sees a craft and he"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "thinks, \"God, I wish it would move to"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "the right so I could see it better.\""}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "Immediately it moves. \"I wish it would"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "come closer.\" And it immediately comes"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "closer."}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:49", "text": "Or"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "\"I wish it would land.\" And it lands."}, {"start": "00:15:49", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "Now, conventional wisdom is that all"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "those [music] are coincidence. Again,"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "that famous word coincidence, but the"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "evidence is quite to the contrary that"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "over and over again this has happened."}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "Let me tell you an account we personally"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "investigated when we went to the CSETI"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "Executive Council went to Belgium this"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "year in February."}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "And we interviewed a man and this is by"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "the way happened more than once in"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "Belgium"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "who was led home by a large triangular"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "spacecraft and I'll show you some"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "photographs of them in a moment."}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "Led home."}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "Each time that he was going to turn and"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "he had the thought, \"Oh, I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "turn now.\" He was driving along the road"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "and he saw this large estimated 3 to"}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "800-ft diameter craft hovering few"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "hundred feet in the air, not very far"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "off, structured very clearly seen, not a"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "light in the sky. And each time that he"}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "would think,"}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "\"I'm going to turn.\" Again, this craft"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "was going ahead of him."}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "It would turn."}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "As soon as he had the thought, \"I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": "going to turn here.\" It would turn"}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "there. And this happened over and over"}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "and over again until he finally arrived"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "home and guess what? It was [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "hovering directly over his house."}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "At this point he starts yelling for his"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "wife to come out. I interviewed her as"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "well. She was a little more rattled by"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "this experience than he was."}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "I asked him, \"Were you afraid?\" Oh, no,"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "not afraid at all. I just simply thought"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "it was wonderful. I was in awe. It was"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "amazing."}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "The wife was petrified. He called the"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "wife to come out. She came out as soon"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "as she saw it, she started screaming."}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "She was completely flipped out. It was a"}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "huge craft hovering right over their"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:29", "text": "house. And immediately it took off just"}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "like that in a split second as soon as"}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "she came out and exhibited that kind of"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:35", "text": "fear. Important lesson there, file it,"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "we'll talk about it in a moment."}, {"start": "00:17:35", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "Fear in this phenomenon. Now, I think"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:42", "text": "that what's significant in these cases"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "is that there is high specificity to the"}, {"start": "00:17:42", "end": "00:17:47", "text": "thought process and the actions of the"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "spacecraft."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "It is our assessment. Again, let's get"}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "back to this word assessment. We need to"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "start making some assessments, that"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "there is some technology interface with"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:58", "text": "mind."}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:18:01", "text": "That there is some technology assisted"}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "consciousness operative in this"}, {"start": "00:18:01", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "phenomenon and probably some"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:07", "text": "consciousness assisted technology."}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:10", "text": "Two different things. Think about it for"}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "just a moment."}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "The interesting thing about mind"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "is that in many societies, even on this"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "planet,"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": "it is a widely held"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "concept. It was among many Native"}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:26", "text": "American tribes, it certainly is in"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:28", "text": "other parts of the world even today,"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:31", "text": "that there is really one mind shining"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "through many windows. And there are many"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "windows sitting in this room, they're"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:36", "text": "called individual egos or"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "individualities. But the total number of"}, {"start": "00:18:36", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "minds is a singularity, it's one."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "This concept of one mind"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "is key to understanding, I believe, this"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:50", "text": "phenomenon and how it is that we can"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "formulate"}, {"start": "00:18:50", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "a visionary and yet rational approach to"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "establishing a sustainable relationship."}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:02", "text": "All of us sitting here at this moment"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:05", "text": "are awake."}, {"start": "00:19:02", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "We think that our awakeness is unique to"}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": "us."}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "I'm talking here about consciousness,"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:13", "text": "mind, conscious intelligence."}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "In reality,"}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "it is the same awakeness"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:21", "text": "shining through the unique and beautiful"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:23", "text": "stained glass window which each of us"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "is."}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "Some windows may be round, some may be"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "square, some may be blue, some may be"}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:33", "text": "yellow, but the light going through it"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:35", "text": "is all the same. This one mind concept,"}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "I think, is critical for us to begin to"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:39", "text": "not only understand"}, {"start": "00:19:37", "end": "00:19:41", "text": "uh from a knowledge point of view, but"}, {"start": "00:19:39", "end": "00:19:43", "text": "also that we begin to experience it."}, {"start": "00:19:41", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "Because it unless we begin to experience"}, {"start": "00:19:43", "end": "00:19:47", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:50", "text": "that one mind, we will not be able to,"}, {"start": "00:19:47", "end": "00:19:53", "text": "in my opinion, sustain the diversity we"}, {"start": "00:19:50", "end": "00:19:56", "text": "are going to encounter as we encounter"}, {"start": "00:19:53", "end": "00:19:58", "text": "life forms other than human Homo sapien."}, {"start": "00:19:56", "end": "00:19:59", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:01", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:19:59", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:20:01", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "watching because what comes next goes"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:06", "text": "deeper than this."}]

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And"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "I think it's the one of the most"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "significant things that has happened in"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "many recent years in the crop circle"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "phenomenon."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "We had discerned that it would be wise"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "to take a research team to England."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "Um an RMIT function, and I had worked"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "closely with Colin Andrews, and most of"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "you probably know him of crop circle"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "fame. A lovely man, I think of"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "impeccable integrity and vision. And I"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "think uh I'd like to thank him here"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:07", "text": "publicly for the help that he has given"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "us in the [music] project so far. We uh"}, {"start": "00:01:07", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "took a team of people over there"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "including Dr. Sandra Small from"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "Cincinnati and uh uh Sherry Adamek, who"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "is the coordinator for RMIT worldwide,"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "uh Ron Russell, who's a well-known space"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "artist, and myself and others. And we"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:27", "text": "determined that we should do a 10-day"}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "project attempting to see if"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "number one,"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "there was anything to these crop"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "circles. I was pretty sure that they"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "were authentic already, but wanted to"}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "see for myself. I'm that sort of person."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "And also to see if the hypothesis, which"}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "we had evolved, was correct. And the"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "hypothesis was this,"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": "that these"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:50", "text": "crop circles, whose [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "full meaning we do not yet know, were"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "being mediated or created"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "technologically, and that they were in"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "all likelihood"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "evidences of an extraterrestrial"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "interface with our planet."}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "This is a hypothesis. We went over there"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "to see if there's anything to it. And"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:12", "text": "with that in mind, we set up this team,"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "this CPRC SETI team, Circles Phenomena"}, {"start": "00:02:12", "end": "00:02:15", "text": "Research, which is Colin Andrews'"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": "people, which included"}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "Edward Sherwood and Maria Ward and Colin"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "Andrews and others."}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "And we did this night after night till"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:25", "text": "3:00 or 4:00 in the morning."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "Now, I'd like to here just make a"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "comment. I'd like to thank publicly the"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "people who put the effort into that to"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "be up that late every night doing this"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "research, to spend your own funds to get"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "there, to take your time away from your"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "work and your family. These are very"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:42", "text": "dedicated people, and I'd like to"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "applaud them and and thank them publicly"}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "for doing this."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "You know, we didn't have any big bucks"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "grant from some sugar daddy to pay for"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "this. We did this all on our own. Now,"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "what I what I like to emphasize here is"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "that this project had a different twist"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "to it than our other projects because we"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "knew that there were these big ground"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "visuals. We call them crop circles. What"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "do they mean?"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "Can we have a dialogue with them? 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Friends, it happened. And"}, {"start": "00:03:40", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "I think it's the one of the most"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "significant things that has happened in"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "many recent years in the crop circle"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "phenomenon."}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "On a number of nights, by the way,"}, {"start": "00:03:50", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "there's a 25-page report that I'm"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "actually working on even on this trip"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "about what happened in July. We have had"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "reports coming in from all around of"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "people who saw different components of"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "what took place over those 10 days and"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "that's why it's taking us [music] so"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "long to get this report out."}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "We had an extraordinary group of people"}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "gathered and what we did was to decide"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "to project an equilateral"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "triangle."}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "It's a favorite shape I guess of ours,"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "isn't it?"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "Which could be and I have a photograph I"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "don't know if you can see it. You'll see"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "one in a moment."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "Which could which is consisting of three"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "circles"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "connected by bands."}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:40", "text": "Now, this was the final shape that would"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "the team decide. This was discussed with"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "no one [music] outside the team."}, {"start": "00:04:45", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "The next day, guess what appeared?"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "This in a field"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "at"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "Devizes, near Roundway, England just in"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "direct line sight of where we were"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "located at Alton Barnes."}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "The chances of this by the way that we"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "did not find this. The Argos team found"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "and serendipitously we found out about"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "it. I was talking to Ralph Noyes and I"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "he said, \"We've just been out of the"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "most extraordinary"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "crop circle that we think is very"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "authentic and it's the most different"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "it's a very unique shape we haven't"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "[music] seen up to this point.\" And I he"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "says, \"Well, what is it?\" I said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "what shape was it?\" And he opened his"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "log book where he records all the"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "different crop circles which were"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "appearing and he has drawn this this."}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "And I about fell over and so did Sherry"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "Adamek and a few other people and we"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "said, \"Where is it? We're going to rent"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "an airplane and we're going there right"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "now.\" And we did. Well,"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "when we went to"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Oliver's Castle and viewed from on top"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "of this hill this sitting in a field,"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "It was as if it had been [music] lifted"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "directly off of our minds and put into"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "this field. Uh remember we were using"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "not only lights to paint this shape in"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "the sky over a series of several nights,"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "but we were using the coherent thought"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "sequencing to try to achieve a lock on"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "with whoever the crop circle makers"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "[music] are to formulate and collaborate"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "in making this. They made this, but we"}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "initiated it. So, it was a crop circle"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:16", "text": "CE5."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "Now, the significance of that, I think,"}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "is that number one, it establishes that"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "these are under intelligent control. And"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "number two, it establishes that we can"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "evolve a dialogue. We can evolve a"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "relationship. And this is highly"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "significant. Um what further things"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "might be achieved by engaging in this"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "type of research? It just"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "just boggles the mind to contemplate"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "what the consequences of that might be."}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "we positioned ourselves night after"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "night in an area there at Alton Barnes."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "We would like to thank Tim and Polly"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:56", "text": "Carson, whose generosity was great in"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "this endeavor. They allowed us to use"}, {"start": "00:06:56", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "their 1,800-acre farm in Alton Barnes at"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "will. They endured all manner of"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "craziness because word got out that we"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:09", "text": "were doing this, and we had every"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "crackpot this side of of"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "Asia"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "flopped in there, including people from"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "the daily What's the Daily Mirror, Daily"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "Mail, or what have you, and everyone"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "else trying to infiltrate the site. So"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "much so that they had to engage people"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "to circumambulate the site to secure it"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "from"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "who knows, MI5, CIA, the Daily Mirror,"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "whoever it is, who was trying to get"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "into the site to disrupt the research."}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "On two occasions they did succeed into"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "penetrating the site and disrupting the"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "project, but that's another story. What"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "I would like to say is that on every"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "single night there were extraordinary"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "things that were seen and experienced by"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "members of the team. The night that this"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "was formed"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "we in retrospect realized we were able"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "to see all everyone on top of"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "Woodborough Hill"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "were able to see in the direction of the"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "visors an amber UFO, which was spinning,"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "and it was approached by a military"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "helicopter and it went out."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "A few moments later a brilliant object"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "white silver white came streaking"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "towards the zenith,"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "which everyone there saw."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "we thought that was significant but did"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "not know how significant until we later"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "found this evidence. Um we were also on"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "the 24th of July astounded as we were"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "setting up the project it was just"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "twilight and the sky was sort of a deep"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "blue but still very blue color."}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "At 10:25 at night because you're so"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "[music] far north there that in that"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "time of year it's really quite light"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "still. And we were looking towards"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "exactly in the zenith of the sky and"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "what comes across the sky"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "but a structured spacecraft with"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "brilliant lights counterclockwise"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "rotating around its base [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "directly across the sky. It covered"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "about 20 degrees of arc and was gone."}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "Did not get a photograph of it because"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "of its brief duration. But at that point"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "I was fairly sure that we had a"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "significant lock on, which is a term"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "that we use for a lock on between a team"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "and the visitors."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "On the 26th of July I was asked to and I"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "told myself I wasn't going to do this"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "but I was asked to give a talk at"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "Glastonbury, which is a town in England"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "where there was a conference going on"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:30", "text": "about these crop circles and with great"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "uh I guess shyness I said, \"Well, I'll"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "do it, but you guys are really the"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "experts on crop circles and you don't"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:39", "text": "need me.\" But they they said, \"We want"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "you to talk about what you're doing.\""}, {"start": "00:09:39", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "So, I did this."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "And what's interesting is that"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "the message, the Ceaceti message, was"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "really quite well received, even by"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "people who were very attached to the"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "fact that there were fairies and goblins"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "and other things creating crop circles."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "They were very open to the idea that"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "there were UFOs that were real, and that"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "they were extraterrestrial, and that"}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "there was time had come for us to reach"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "out and try to establish a [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "sustainable relationship with them."}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:09", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "after that talk, I came back to Alton"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "Barnes with the research team, and we"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "set up camp. Well, this was one of the"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "few nights that we were there where it"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "was an absolutely beautiful clear"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "weather."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "And as we were setting up camp, we had"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "decided to move off of Woodborough Hill"}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "down into an area that was in the"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "field right below Woodborough Hill, and"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:32", "text": "it was there that there were two large"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "crop circles that had appeared just"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "before our arrival. One was a circle,"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "and one was a ring, like a doughnut"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "ring, and they were huge and very, very"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "beautiful. By the way, Colin Andrews"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "didn't even know of their existence"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "until"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "someone there had showed them to him"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "when we were going to use it. So, it was"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "a very secure site. We um"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "were in this area and setting up the"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "project when towards the east there were"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "four brilliant amber UFOs that appeared,"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:02", "text": "and they kept going up and down above"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "the horizon."}, {"start": "00:11:02", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "Shortly after that, and directly above"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "us, slightly, very [music] slightly to"}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "the west,"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "there was a carouseling light shining"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "from above down on top"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "of the"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "clouds where we were located. A"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "gentleman who later joined us, who had"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "come from Marlborough and Lockeridge,"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "stated that he could see it coming into"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "Alton Barnes, and that it was clearly"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "coming from the sky onto the top of the"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "clouds, and not from the ground up. This"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "we thought was quite strange."}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "And it was. And there were many things"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "that happened like this, but I have to"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "get on to the real event that"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "has astounded many people."}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "At this point,"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:50", "text": "almost on cue,"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "a dark gathering cloud gathered into the"}, {"start": "00:11:50", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "valley and it became very dark and very"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "much looking like rain. Seconds later it"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "started raining like hell and we at that"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "point decided that we needed to get out"}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "of there because where we were located"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "was on a mud farm road that quickly"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "would sooner turn to deep mud and we"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "were going to be stuck there. In fact,"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:13", "text": "right before I arrived it had rained for"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "weeks and a number [music] of people had"}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "their cars stuck so they had to have"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "them towed out. So at that point, we"}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "decided, this was about 11:00, 11:30,"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "that we should really go on and and make"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "it a for once make an early night of it"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:26", "text": "instead of staying up till 3:00 and 4:00"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "in the morning, we'll go to bed at a"}, {"start": "00:12:26", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "normal human hour. Well,"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "as we were breaking camp,"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "I had an override. It's all I can say."}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "Very clearly and it was to go to the"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:46", "text": "farm road that was concrete. It was a"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "paved farm farm road on the farm that"}, {"start": "00:12:46", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "led to Woodboro Hill just a few hundred"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "yards from where we were located"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "and to remain there because the fat lady"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "had not yet sung."}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "And I thought, well this is irrational"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "because it's just raining like [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "hell and in the meanwhile, the camera"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "that we had, uh, which was a Canon L1"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": "Pro with a zoom lens that was an"}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:12", "text": "excellent quality camera, was soaked and"}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "it would not work. I said, \"We have no"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "We have video camera doesn't work. The"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "other people have left who had the still"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "cameras. Why are we going to be doing"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": "this?\" Well, the project is really not"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "about videotapes, it's more about trying"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "to establish a relationship so we said,"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "\"We'll go ahead and do this.\""}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "Four of us and as I later learned, more"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "than that in terms of witnesses, went to"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "this road and there was a little"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "turnout. As you go along this concrete"}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "road that was on the farm, there's a"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "little turnout where you can"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:39", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:41", "text": ">> for people when if you're if there are"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "more than one farm tractor at a time,"}, {"start": "00:13:41", "end": "00:13:46", "text": "they can pull out. And I decided to go"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:48", "text": "there and Dr. Saul Small and I were in"}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "the front car and behind me was Chris"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "Mansell and his friend from Amsterdam,"}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:57", "text": "Annika. And we decided to go ahead and"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:13:59", "text": "sit there in this pouring rainstorm"}, {"start": "00:13:57", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "[music] and wait and see what would"}, {"start": "00:13:59", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "happen."}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "Well, I was sitting there talking about"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "something rather mundane, can't remember"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "what now, with Sandra and all of a"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "sudden Chris Mansell [music] started"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "beating like hell on my window so hard"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:14", "text": "that I thought he was going to break it"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "and he was screaming. He says, \"There's"}, {"start": "00:14:14", "end": "00:14:17", "text": "a bloody spaceship coming through the"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "field.\""}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "And I first thought, \"Yes, and I'm Santa"}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "Claus.\" But"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "I said, \"Okay, well.\" I hopped out of"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "the car."}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:28", "text": "At this point [music] it had just a fine"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:29", "text": "mist. It wasn't raining so hard anymore."}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "And looked over"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:34", "text": "and to my great [music] astonishment,"}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": "through at the edge of the field where"}, {"start": "00:14:34", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "we were standing, was coming a"}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "spacecraft, structured spacecraft, 30 ft"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "above the field. And because it was"}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "below where we were, it was at eye"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:49", "text": "level, absolutely right at eye level."}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "Well,"}, {"start": "00:14:49", "end": "00:14:53", "text": "we were nonplussed. I mean, it was an"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "amazing event because it came across, it"}, {"start": "00:14:53", "end": "00:14:57", "text": "was about 400 yd away. We were able to"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "measure cuz we could see clearly the"}, {"start": "00:14:57", "end": "00:15:02", "text": "edge of the field where it was coming"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "and the tree line and the canal where it"}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "tracked"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "where just in front of where it came and"}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:08", "text": "we were able to measure the distance."}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "from that we were able to determine that"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "it was approximately 80 to 150 ft in"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "diameter. And I'm quite sure it was in"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "excess of 100 ft in diameter. You could"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "see at the base a row of lights which"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "sort of were contiguous and blending"}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "into [music] each other rotating"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "counterclockwise."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "And the metallic craft then came up into"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "sort of a cone that had three or four"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "amber lights on the top that were"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "spinning more slowly."}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "As it moved through the field, [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:43", "text": "it went behind a row of trees and then"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "came out into a"}, {"start": "00:15:43", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "clearing, a notch in the trees."}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "At that point, it rotated or turned and"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:51", "text": "looked exactly I don't know if it was"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "the underside of it where we were seeing"}, {"start": "00:15:51", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "or a different illumination of the"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "actual surface that we had seen"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "previously, but it looked exactly like a"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "Christmas tree. And area in fact on the"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "audio tape, we had a live microcassette"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "audio tape going at this point and you"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "can hear Chris Mansell saying, \"It looks"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "like a bloody Christmas tree.\" And"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:14", "text": "indeed it did, hovering there. Well, at"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:16", "text": "this point, Sandra is pulling out of the"}, {"start": "00:16:14", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "car one of these high-powered lights"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "which can run off of its own battery"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "source and we take the light and signal"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "to it"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:27", "text": "and it signals back. Now, this is"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "unmistakable. This is close range"}, {"start": "00:16:27", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "structured There's no light in the sky."}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "Do not make any mistake about this. It"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "was a structured craft at close range"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "and it was only 30 ft above the ground"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "and at one point, probably closer to 10"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": "ft. [music] It was a near landing CE5."}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "Well, all of our knuckles were white at"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "this point. We signaled again and it"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "signaled towards us again, moved"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "slightly towards us and then off of the"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "upper right-hand side of it a amber"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "orange probe detached from it and went"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:58", "text": "off into the mist. This event, by the"}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:00", "text": "way, was observed by Busty Taylor and"}, {"start": "00:16:58", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "some other observers who were on a"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:04", "text": "distant hill and who did not see the"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:06", "text": "craft down the valley but saw this amber"}, {"start": "00:17:04", "end": "00:17:08", "text": "light going up and off into the"}, {"start": "00:17:06", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "distance."}, {"start": "00:17:08", "end": "00:17:13", "text": "Well, while all this is going on,"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:15", "text": "I pull out my compass which was a new"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:17", "text": "Swedish compass, [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "lifetime guarantee. I thought, \"What a"}, {"start": "00:17:17", "end": "00:17:20", "text": "rip. Here we are. I needed to know what"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:22", "text": "direction it is and the bloody [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "thing wouldn't work."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "You looked at it and the compass, each"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "time that I looked at it, it changed"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:30", "text": "magnetic north, the needle. And over the"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "course of the next hour, even after the"}, {"start": "00:17:30", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "spacecraft had receded off into the"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "clouds, it rotated counterclockwise,"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "interesting,"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "all the way around the dial, 360°."}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:43", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "It was a clear magnetic electromagnetic"}, {"start": "00:17:43", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "effect. Interestingly, all of us felt a"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "tingling on our skin from our feet to"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:52", "text": "our heads, which I don't think was just"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "[music] from excitement. I think it was"}, {"start": "00:17:52", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "an energy that we were actually feeling."}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "Although none of us have suffered any"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "ill effect from it."}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:04", "text": "I have to tell you that"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "this event was so amazing to everyone"}, {"start": "00:18:04", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "there that it took weeks for them to"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "recover. And"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "I think that had we had"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "a little more training with our group,"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:17", "text": "with our team, that we could have had a"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "an onboard experience that night."}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:21", "text": ">> Thanks for staying till the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:18:21", "end": "00:18:24", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "watching [music] because what comes next"}, {"start": "00:18:24", "end": "00:18:27", "text": "goes deeper than this."}]

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I"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "mean, they lied to the president, they"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "lied to the CIA director, and they'll"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "lie to you."}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "And the colonel visibly stiffened. I"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "said, but I have Disclosure Project"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "witnesses"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "inside the DIA DIA who've seen satellite"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "imagery of ET craft out in space."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "We have their testimony. And my military"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "advisor and I compared notes later, that"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "guy was on the inside lying to the"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "general. The colonel was zooming the"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "general."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "Illegal? Yes. Treason? Yes. Happens"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "every single day at the Pentagon and"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "CIA."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "There was a man named Gordon Cooper"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:05", "text": "who most of you may know was someone who"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "gave us testimony about the craft that"}, {"start": "00:01:05", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "landed on the dry lake bed"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "in uh"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "California, Edwards Range, [music] back"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "in 1956, I believe it was, that his crew"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "filmed and he saw the film footage and"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "sent it back to the Pentagon."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "Well, Gordon Cooper, a very heroic"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:25", "text": "figure, early early Mercury astronaut,"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "and I were speaking to a conservative"}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "group called the Federalist Society here"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "in Washington, who were very interested"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:29", "text": "in this"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:29", "end": "00:01:31", "text": ">> cuz they were interested in the"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:34", "text": "unconstitutionality"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "cuz they're strict constitutional."}, {"start": "00:01:34", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "And I will speak to [music] any group. I"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "don't care, you know, I mean, it's fine."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:41", "text": "I don't politics, I don't care. So,"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "I mean, I agree with the group's"}, {"start": "00:01:41", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "politics all the way through, but they"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "were interested and they invited me and"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "Gordon Cooper, so we went. So, my wife"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "was with me. It was here at the Hyatt, I"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "think, uh near Capitol Hill."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "And I was going [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "uh so, I started talking to Gordon and"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "comparing notes of people we had talked"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "to within the system."}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "And he had been asked by Secretary"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "Defense Cohen, c o h e n, [music] who"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "was Secretary of Defense for Bill"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "Clinton."}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "Bill Clinton's Secretary of Defense had"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "asked him directly to give him all the"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "actionable intelligence,"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "all the details needed [music] about"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "that landing event of a craft at the dry"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "lake bed in 1956 cuz he wanted to see"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "that footage."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "And he got back to Gordon Cooper and"}, {"start": "00:02:25", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "said,"}, {"start": "00:02:27", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "\"I can't find it. [music] It's not"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:33", "text": "accessible. It's in this unacknowledged"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "project and the Secretary of Defense\""}, {"start": "00:02:33", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "So, there's another person proven out of"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "the loop. So, I started making a list of"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "all the people who had been denied"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:44", "text": "access who by all rights absolutely must"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "know"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "if it's a legal [music] program."}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "Secretary of Defense, President of the"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "United States, CIA director, on and on"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "and on."}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "Then, I end up, couple years after this,"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "getting invited to brief the head of the"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "Defense Intelligence [music] Agency,"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "General Patrick Hughes."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "Now, General Patrick Hughes"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "was a man you'd often see him with"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "Madeleine Albright and Bill Clinton and"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:10", "text": "other people. Um, he was the head of the"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "Defense Intelligence Agency, [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:10", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "which is like the CIA for the Pentagon."}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "It's almost as large."}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "And it's their in-house intelligence"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "shop,"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:22", "text": ">> whereas, you know, the CIA is a civilian"}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "agency, but this is a military"}, {"start": "00:03:22", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "intelligence. But, the Defense"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "Intelligence Agency is sort of sits on"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "top of all military intelligence."}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "And he was the director."}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "So, and he's a three-star general. So, I"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "get invited"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "to brief"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "General Patrick Hughes at the Pentagon."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "So, I think, \"Well, let's see what he"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:44", "text": "knows.\""}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "Of course, he wanted to know what I"}, {"start": "00:03:44", "end": "00:03:47", "text": "knew."}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "So, again, I sent him a full dossier and"}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "briefing prior to arriving so he be"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "adequately brought up to speed. We had a"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "meeting scheduled. I go to the Pentagon."}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "Full military escorts in, like you"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "always have in these areas."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "And I go in"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:02", "text": ">> [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:08", "text": ">> we start talking about this. And he uh"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "he says, \"Well, I find this amazingly"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "interesting.\" He says, \"But in all my"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "years in the military, I have never been"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": "told anything about it.\""}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "Nothing."}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "And I said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "it doesn't surprise me either. There are"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "other people in your position.\" [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "He says he got up and he went over to a"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "bookshelf."}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:30", "text": ">> And on it was a little, like you'd get"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:31", "text": "at a toy store, little ET doll."}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "Like about this big."}, {"start": "00:04:31", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": ">> And he grabbed and he says, \"This is all"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "I've gotten"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "for my inquiries about this issue"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "through channels.\" In other words,"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "somebody gave it to him as a gag gift."}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:47", "text": "Now, there was a full bird colonel"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "sitting at the table"}, {"start": "00:04:47", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "during this briefing. [music] And I"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "started explaining the way, you know,"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "these particular And he knew what an"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "unacknowledged special access project"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "was. This is no He says, \"But he didn't"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "know about this one.\""}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "And he wasn't being He says, \"Well, I"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:01", "text": "can't imagine [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "that there are operations within the"}, {"start": "00:05:01", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "Defense Intelligence Agency that know"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:07", "text": "about this."}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "And they wouldn't tell me when I've"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "asked.\" I said, \"Well, they they do. I"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "mean, they lied to the president, they"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "lied to the CI director, and they'll lie"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "to you.\""}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "And the colonel visibly [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "stiffened."}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "Cuz I said at that moment there are"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "people on your senior staff who are"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "tasked with this issue, but they don't"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:26", "text": "want you to know for whatever reason."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "And this colonel stiffened. And my"}, {"start": "00:05:26", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "military advisor and I compared notes"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "later, that guy was on the inside lying"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "to the general. The colonel was zooming"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:36", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:39", "text": ">> the general."}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "Illegal? Yes. Treason? Yes. Happens"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "every single day at the Pentagon and"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "CIA."}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "So, when you're dealing with an"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "unacknowledged special access project"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "this sensitive,"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": "So these are not conspiracy [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "theories. I've been there. I'm the guy"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "who set up these meetings and was there."}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:58", "text": "And I will say that [music] I'm the only"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "civilian you'll ever meet who's had"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "meetings of this nature with people like"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "that all over the world. So I wanted to"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "put this on the record."}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "Now"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "after this, [music] we had about a"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "15-minute discussion and then"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "the general told me something very"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "surprising. He says, \"You know, my"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "father"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "This is General Patrick [music] Hughes"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "telling me. My father knew of"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "some kind of illegal conspiracy in the"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "US government back in the '50s and '60s"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "cuz he was [music] apparently was also"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "very high official"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "that was so serious and we thought the"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "old man was a cook.\""}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "Referring to his father. And he says, \"I"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "thought this would all be nonsense until"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "I got into this office."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "Until I became the head of the Defense"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "Intelligence Agency. And contrasted with"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "what I'm being told with what I've seen"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:52", "text": "received from the Disclosure Project or"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "Project Starlight at that time.\""}, {"start": "00:06:52", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "And he said that, you know, my father"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "was so upset by this he eventually ate"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "his gun. Committed suicide."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "You know, and you know, so the weight of"}, {"start": "00:07:09", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "this is huge. Huge. So I said, \"Well,"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "you know, you just move on.\""}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "But he said, \"I don't know what I can do"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "because they're not going to tell me"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "anything.\" I said, \"But I have"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "Disclosure Project witnesses"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "inside the DIA DIA who've seen satellite"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "imagery of ET craft out in space."}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "We have their testimony.\""}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "He says, \"Well, they won't tell [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "me anything.\""}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "So of course, what you realize is that"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "these positions rotate. They're there"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "for a year or two two three or four."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "The president, if he's lucky, eight. But"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "there's this permanent system."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "So, let's call it the permanent secret"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "government versus the one that sort of"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "is this revolving door of [music] folks."}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "Sometimes the people in that system know"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "and sometimes they don't."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "since the mid-1950s,"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "the criteria for being on the inside of"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "the secrecy is the following."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "And this is how I explained it to a"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "five-star admiral in England [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "who's also one of our witnesses, Admiral"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "Lord Hill-Norton. He was the head of the"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "Ministry of Defense."}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "And he was a sea lord, they called them"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "back then."}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "They don't have five-star admirals"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "anymore."}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "And he was the head of the military"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "committee for NATO."}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "So, I went to his cottage"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "in Hampshire some years ago. Emily"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "dropped me off, took the kids [music] to"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "the Salisbury Cathedral, I believe, and"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "I continued on, had a meeting with the"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "admiral."}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> [snorts]"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:41", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "you know, you get a picture of what my"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "life must be like. So, uh"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "nuts."}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:49", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "completely nuts. And so, uh anyway, so"}, {"start": "00:08:49", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "I'm there with this man and we're"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "sitting in some wingback chairs in his"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "his parlor in what he called his cottage"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "in Hampshire."}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "And uh which is a gorgeous old antiquity"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "house with the thatched roofs and"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "beautiful."}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "And he"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "we start talking about this. He was a"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "very fastidious man. He had a little"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "teeny notepad like this and a pen and"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "taking assiduously taking notes, very,"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "very And we got to this question and he"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "said, \"Well, you know, the"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "the entire time I was the head"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "of"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "the Ministry of Defense, which is also"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "means you're head of MI5 and MI6 and the"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "intelligence units in England. It's the"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "same position [music] there. It's"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "separate here. You have CIA director and"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "secretary of defense. There it's one"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "head. And he says, \"This issue was never"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "briefed to me. And it was I was never"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "told anything.\""}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "And I said, \"Yeah, that doesn't surprise"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "me now. It would have maybe for a number"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "of years ago."}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": ">> and he said and as military, the head of"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "the military committee for NATO, I was"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:53", "text": "never told even though I've now I've"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "learned NATO was dealing with some of"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "these events.\""}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "Such as the big events that were in"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "Belgium with the massive triangular"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "craft and things like that."}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "Well, I said um he says, \"And I want to"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:07", "text": "know why they wouldn't tell me.\" It"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "[music] was like his pride was his"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "a sense of propriety. Oh, he was a lord"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "in the House of Lords also."}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "He says, \"Why wouldn't they tell me?\""}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "And it was a little bit petulant and but"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "also hurt."}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:22", "text": "I said, \"Well, let me answer your"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "question with a question.\""}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "And he didn't like that. He thought I"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "was being a cheeky American."}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "And I said, \"But just bear with me. What"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "would you have done if you found out"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "that there was a cabal"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "that had run amok of the laws of all the"}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "democracies"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "that had this information [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "and had the technologies"}, {"start": "00:10:40", "end": "00:10:46", "text": "to completely fix the environment and"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "global poverty,"}, {"start": "00:10:46", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "create a civilization that would be"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:52", "text": "sustainable for thousands of years"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "with these types of free energy"}, {"start": "00:10:52", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "technologies?"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": "Uh and that they had killed people to"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "keep this secret, assassinated people,"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "and broken the laws of their country and"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "their solemn oaths uphold their"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "constitutions [music] to do so.\" He"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:07", "text": "says, \"I WOULDN'T HAVE STOOD FOR IT FOR"}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "A BLOODY MINUTE.\""}, {"start": "00:11:07", "end": "00:11:10", "text": "I SAID, \"THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T tell"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "you.\""}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "I said, \"The first thing they do when"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "they make a decision that you're in and"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "you're out"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "of the loop of this issue is whether"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "you'll go along with the secret agenda."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": "If you're going to go along with the"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "secret agenda,"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "they'll tell you. And they'll give you a"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:27", "text": "little bit and then a little [music] bit"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "and then a little bit and bring you up"}, {"start": "00:11:27", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "through the system. If they think that"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "you're the kind of stand-up person who"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "would be appalled when they find out"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "what the criminality of this group is"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "and how illegal it is and what damage"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:45", "text": "they're doing to the Earth"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:47", "text": "and to the humanity by keeping it secret"}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:49", "text": "and that you might blow the whistle on"}, {"start": "00:11:47", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "it like"}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "Jack Kennedy was planning to do in his"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "second term. That's why they took him"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:57", "text": "out."}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "Um and that's why they took out Marilyn"}, {"start": "00:11:57", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "Monroe. I have a document [music] to"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "prove it."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:05", "text": "and top secret document from the NSA"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:07", "text": "vault. It's in my first book. Go read"}, {"start": "00:12:05", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "[music] it. Um"}, {"start": "00:12:07", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "nobody reads anymore."}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "But anyway, uh what was interesting is"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:15", "text": "that he looked at me. He says, \"That is"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:19", "text": "it then.\""}, {"start": "00:12:15", "end": "00:12:21", "text": "I said, \"Yes. They do a soul biopsy"}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "like doctors do biopsies. They do a They"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "do a soul biopsy and a psychological"}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "analysis to see if you would be willing"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "to go along with that agenda. If you are"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": "willing to go along with it,"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "they'll give you little bits until you"}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "rise up through the system."}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:35", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:37", "text": ">> If you divert from the system, they take"}, {"start": "00:12:35", "end": "00:12:38", "text": "you out."}, {"start": "00:12:37", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "You're going to be dead."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "So they've learned not to be too"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "reckless with who they tell cuz they"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "don't want to have to kill too many"}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "people [music] and leave bodies"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "scattered that looks conspicuous"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "like they did in the 50s and 60s"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:52", "text": "with John Foster Dulles and President"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe and other"}, {"start": "00:12:52", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "famous people. So"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:13:00", "text": "So I said, \"That's why it's managed this"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "way. Now, you may have had a predecessor"}, {"start": "00:13:00", "end": "00:13:03", "text": "who was MOD head who came up through"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "that system [music] who knew all about"}, {"start": "00:13:03", "end": "00:13:07", "text": "these projects."}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "So it doesn't have anything to do with"}, {"start": "00:13:07", "end": "00:13:13", "text": "your rank."}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:15", "text": "It has to do with your values. It has to"}, {"start": "00:13:13", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "do [music] with your"}, {"start": "00:13:15", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "uh willingness to go along with an"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "agenda"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:22", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:25", "text": ">> that is the most criminal, evil,"}, {"start": "00:13:22", "end": "00:13:28", "text": "dangerous [music] agenda that any"}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:30", "text": "potentates have ever had in the history"}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:32", "text": "of the world that we know of."}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:34", "text": "And that's what we're dealing with with"}, {"start": "00:13:32", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "this this super secret Maji group."}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": "And they are not going to be reckless in"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "who they read into and pull into those"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "projects."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": "So,"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "that is something you you have to"}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "understand. [music] Now,"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:49", "text": "let's fast forward to the congressional"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "initiatives which I began in the"}, {"start": "00:13:49", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "mid-90s."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "So, I mentioned uh"}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "the chairman [music] of the House of"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "Government Reform and Oversight"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "Committee, Dan Burton."}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:03", "text": "Uh there's a man many of you who were"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "low-income uh like myself. I was very"}, {"start": "00:14:03", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "poor growing up."}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:05", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:07", "text": ">> Probably went to college on something"}, {"start": "00:14:05", "end": "00:14:10", "text": "called a Pell Grant."}, {"start": "00:14:07", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "Senator Claiborne Pell of Rhode Island"}, {"start": "00:14:10", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "started the Pell Grants, sponsored that"}, {"start": "00:14:12", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "bill."}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:19", "text": "And [music] uh he was at a meeting uh"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:22", "text": "with the Noetic Sciences Institute."}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:24", "text": "And I did a briefing for him."}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:25", "text": "Uh and met with him there. And it was"}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:26", "text": "very interesting because"}, {"start": "00:14:25", "end": "00:14:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> here was a very He was chairman of the"}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "Senate Foreign Relations Committee."}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "Very key committee, foreign relations."}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "Uh and he said, \"You know, I've wondered"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:39", "text": "about this my entire career. We've made"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "inquiries. We've never been given any"}, {"start": "00:14:39", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "information through channels.\""}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:43", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> And he said, \"Would you come to to"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "Washington and do a briefing for my"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "staff?\" I said, \"Well, sure, anytime I"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:50", "text": "can [music] come up.\" I was still living"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:52", "text": "in North Carolina then."}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "And he said, \"Oh, wonderful.\" And then I"}, {"start": "00:14:52", "end": "00:14:55", "text": "looked at him and I said, \"You know,"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "Senator,"}, {"start": "00:14:55", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "the problem with all this is that"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "[music] you're a good man who should be"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:05", "text": "representing humanity to these visitors"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:07", "text": "from interstellar civilizations."}, {"start": "00:15:05", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "And you've been deprived of dealing with"}, {"start": "00:15:07", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "the ultimate foreign relations issue,"}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "interplanetary relations.\" And he looked"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:16", "text": "at me through his horn-rimmed glasses"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "and went, \"You know, Dr. Greer, I'm"}, {"start": "00:15:16", "end": "00:15:21", "text": "afraid you may be right.\""}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "I said, \"Well, I am.\""}, {"start": "00:15:21", "end": "00:15:24", "text": "Very poignant moment, but that was the"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "way it was."}, {"start": "00:15:24", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "And then I met with a Senator Dick Bryan"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "of Nevada, whose home state has of"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "course Nellis Air Force Base and the"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "so-called Area [music] 51."}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "He had no knowledge of these projects."}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "So, I met with him"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:40", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:42", "text": ">> and a kind of a clandestine little"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "meeting at McCarran Airport in Las"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:46", "text": "Vegas. He was flying in, I was flown in,"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "put on one of those little beeping"}, {"start": "00:15:46", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "carts, taken to something that looked"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "like a janitor's closet, opened it up,"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "it was a VIP holding area,"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:56", "text": "and I met with the Senator."}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "And we were talking about this. He says,"}, {"start": "00:15:56", "end": "00:16:00", "text": "\"I have never been told anything about"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "this when we've gone into the secure"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:02", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:04", "text": ">> uh commit- the SCIFs for the"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "intelligence briefings.\" And so, I"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "provide a briefing [music] to him."}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "And it goes on and on and on and on. I"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "mean, I mean, the numbers of people I"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "personally briefed uh you know, of"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "course,"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:16", "text": ">> you know, you probably all know uh about"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:18", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:16:16", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "you know, briefing"}, {"start": "00:16:18", "end": "00:16:21", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:24", "text": "Oh, I'm blocking on his name. The the"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "the Kucinich, [music] who ran for"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": "president in '08. And Kucinich was very"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "interested in this."}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "but he wouldn't hold a hearing either,"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "even when he was the uh chairman of the"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "subcommittee for domestic government"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:39", "text": "reform and oversight. He had had a"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:42", "text": "sighting. Shirley MacLaine outed him"}, {"start": "00:16:39", "end": "00:16:44", "text": "during the campaign and embarrassed him."}, {"start": "00:16:42", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "He's very supportive of disclosure. I"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:46", "text": "have his informa- I mean, I we stay"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:46", "end": "00:16:49", "text": ">> in contact, but he wouldn't hold a"}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "hearing."}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:52", "text": ">> Thanks for staying till the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:54", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:16:52", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "watching because [music] what comes next"}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "goes deeper than this."}]

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And there's no doubt"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:18", "text": "that's why they killed a year earlier"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "Marilyn Monroe because she was going to"}, {"start": "00:00:18", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "hold a press conference to tell the"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "whole world about what the president had"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "told her during their"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "relationship, their tryst. And I said,"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "\"Yes, Lawrence,"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "that's why it's been kept secret because"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "it isn't trivial. It literally changes"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "everything. 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So, my"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "recommendation to these guys is that we"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "need to learn to take it."}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "It It's a very serious issue, and you"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "know, I It's well known in certain"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "circles here and overseas that"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "President,"}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "John F. 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I mean, don't forget"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "9/11 happened less than 4 months after"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "our National Press Club event in 2001."}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "And a member of my team who had been the"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "senior scientist at the Naval Research"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "Labs, the biggest Department of Defense"}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "lab, [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "had been in the Vice President's office,"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "Dick Cheney's office before 9/11 and saw"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "the plans for it."}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:22", "text": "And was told if he ever spoke of it,"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "they would kill him, his wife, his"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "children, his grandchildren."}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "That is true. 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The"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "the implications are so vast and [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "profound.\" And I said, \"Yes, Laurence,"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "that's why it's been kept secret because"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "it isn't trivial. It literally changes"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "everything.\" And most"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "politicians"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:45", "text": ">> and government bureaucrats don't want to"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "oversee that much change. So, there's"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "the fear of the change. There's the fear"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "of managing the change. There's the fear"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "of upsetting the macroeconomic [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "apple cart of the whole of how the way"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "the world runs, which is on fossil"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "fuels."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:05", "text": "And and the petrodollar and uh oil and"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:07", "text": "gas [music] and public utilities. You"}, {"start": "00:06:05", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "know, in in less than a generation, all"}, {"start": "00:06:07", "end": "00:06:12", "text": "of those would be like horse and buggy."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "So, now visualize that. You're talking a"}, {"start": "00:06:12", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "couple thousand trillion dollars in"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:22", "text": "assets that become worthless. [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "Um and so, it it's not"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "I I I by no means do I [music] soft"}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "pedal this either. I mean, I make it"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "quite clear. It comes into the informed"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "consent part of a doctor's ethos."}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "Is I say, \"Look, this is a big deal and"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "here's what the implications are. It has"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "to be done. It should have been done"}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "when Eisenhower wanted to do it in"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "1954.\""}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "And but here we sit, 72 years later with"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "a dying planet, 8 billion people, half"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "of whom live in unbelievable poverty,"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "and oil war number 81 or whatever it is"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "we're in here now. [music] So, it's like"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "at a certain point, where do we get off"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:02", "text": "that merry-go-round and and start a a"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "new civilization? And as the ET said to"}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "Colonel Corso, when he said, \"What's in"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "it for me?\" and the ET said, \"Well, a"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "new world [music] if you can take it.\""}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "A new world if you can take it. So,"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "[music] my recommendation to these guys"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "is that we need to learn to take it."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "We're running out of town time not"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "[music] to."}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:22", "text": "And the Earth"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:23", "text": "the wonderful saying, shall cast off her"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "burden."}, {"start": "00:07:23", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "But the the burden to the Earth in its"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "long-term [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "role as a womb for the evolution of"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "intelligent life in this part of the"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "universe"}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "isn't the They're not the squirrels and"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "the trees and the dogs and [music] the"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "cattle"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "and the dolphins. It's humans. So, you"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "know, I mean, we have to get right with"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "a higher consciousness and spiritual"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "direction, but also with Earth and"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "nature. And and to do that, we're going"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "to have to address long-neglected social"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "and political and and economic issues"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "that most people they get overwhelmed."}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:07", "text": "Their minds they just don't want to go"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "that far. They're"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:11", "text": "What it is and I noticed this with the"}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "Clinton administration also back in the"}, {"start": "00:08:11", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "[music] '90s. They're so busy putting"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "out little brush fires and dealing with"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "crisis after crisis after crisis after"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "crisis."}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> These big multi-generational things they"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "don't want to deal with. Because it's"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:28", "text": "it's it it'd be the straw or it'd be the"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:30", "text": "boulder that would break the the camel's"}, {"start": "00:08:28", "end": "00:08:32", "text": "[music] back cuz it's so much to deal"}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "with. So, I'm not trying to"}, {"start": "00:08:32", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "uh you know"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "diminish at all"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> the complexity and difficulty of a"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "honest disclosure. I [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": "think it's just daunting for people when"}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "they get to the edge of that precipice."}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": "Most people begin to pull back. They"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "they begin to back off. And I've seen"}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "this for [music] over 30 years."}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "And the question is"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "if that [music] trend continues, then"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:01", "text": "this corrupt cabal that's been keeping"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "the secret will have their way with the"}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "disclosure [music] that serves their"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:07", "text": "agenda."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:08", "text": "And or our whole system will implode and"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "then there'll have to be"}, {"start": "00:09:08", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "an extraterrestrial intervention, but"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:13", "text": "that's"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "the last [music] stop on the algorithm."}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "That's that's the very [laughter]"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "It's like in a code blue, the very last"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "thing you got to do. Um"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": ">> when someone dies, but I think that's"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "the worst-case scenario"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "uh because"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "it we"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "Humans don't evolve by having someone"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "intervene. We evolve by the school of"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "[music] hard knocks and learning."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "But, you know, just meditate on the fact"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "that we've gone through World War I,"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "World War II, all the other wars since"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "then, uh"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:45", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> the"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "man-made created pandemic with COVID,"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "9/11, and we still haven't learned any"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:54", "text": "lessons."}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "5 million people die every year from"}, {"start": "00:09:54", "end": "00:09:58", "text": "[music] air pollution, which is as many"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "people who almost who died in the"}, {"start": "00:09:58", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "Holocaust and all the World War II."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "No one does anything about it, right?"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:05", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:09", "text": ">> Thousands [music] of species have become"}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "extinct. Um so, I think that"}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:13", "text": "you [music] know,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "but it when"}, {"start": "00:10:13", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "the rubber meets the road, you're each"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "[music] of these people are men, and"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "they put their pants on one leg at a"}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:24", "text": "time like we all do, [music] I do, or"}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:27", "text": "your skirt, or whatever it is. And the"}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:28", "text": "problem is they're not"}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "you know, they're"}, {"start": "00:10:28", "end": "00:10:30", "text": "they're very human"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:32", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> as we all are, and and they're you're"}, {"start": "00:10:32", "end": "00:10:37", "text": "susceptible to just fear of of this big"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "of [music] a change. I mean, even if"}, {"start": "00:10:37", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "you're willing to accept you might get"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:43", "text": "assassinated trying to do something like"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "this, then there's this the the let's"}, {"start": "00:10:43", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "say you succeed."}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:48", "text": "And you and then what? You have Now"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "you're trying to manage the biggest"}, {"start": "00:10:48", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "change in human civilization in recorded"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "human history."}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:58", "text": ">> Think about it. That's what we're"}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "talking about. So, I know"}, {"start": "00:10:58", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "I know the inertia of the system is not"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:05", "text": "to change, is to keep the status quo the"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "status quo."}, {"start": "00:11:05", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "And and that has been the mantra for 80"}, {"start": "00:11:09", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "years, and which is why Eisenhower was"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "shut down in what he really wanted to"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:17", "text": "do. He wanted to disclose this, he"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "wanted to have a peaceful relationship"}, {"start": "00:11:17", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "with the ETs, and he wanted to"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "uh disarm nuclear weapons and make peace"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "in the world when with the Soviet Union,"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "and he wanted to bring these"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:29", "text": "technologies out that would advance all"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "of"}, {"start": "00:11:29", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "uh humanity."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:34", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": ">> But, this cabal shut him down and the"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "rest is history as they say."}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": ">> Thanks for staying till the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "watching because what comes next goes"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "deeper than this."}]

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He says he she"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "said, \"Damn, these are the real X-Files."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "This is the real thing. These are real.\""}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "He's And And so, he was he said, \"Okay,"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "we're going to go with that.\" It showed"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "it as an ET device that they had"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "acquired, not a reverse-engineered"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "man-made system."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "Um and they never showed any of the"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "man-made craft, the man-made"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "uh operations. If you speak the truth,"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "the whole truth, and nothing but the"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "truth, you are banned, [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "period."}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:01:00", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "your opinion on the Disclosure Day film,"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "what what what do you believe the uh"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "filmmaker"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:09", "text": "or Steven Spielberg had intentionally"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "kept concealed [music] in the film about"}, {"start": "00:01:09", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "what our government or the covert"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "organizations are still aware of or have"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "possession of? Um what are your thoughts"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:16", "text": "on that?"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:17", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:16", "end": "00:01:19", "text": ">> They would have"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:22", "text": ">> Well, I mean, yes. I mean, it's a 2 and"}, {"start": "00:01:19", "end": "00:01:23", "text": "1/2 hour Hollywood film and based on"}, {"start": "00:01:22", "end": "00:01:26", "text": "fiction, but it's actually a lot of"}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "fact. I was surprised how much of what"}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": "we've uh disclosed over the years was"}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "actually in [music] there. Now, the part"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "of it that's very missing and very"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "obvious, but not to most people,"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:39", "text": "is the human technology [music] and the"}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "extent to which we have these systems."}, {"start": "00:01:39", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "Cuz even the psychotronic device, if"}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:47", "text": "you've seen the movie,"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "um that that is used by that evil"}, {"start": "00:01:47", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "uh corporate guy."}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:50", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:52", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "00:01:50", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "I forget his name in the movie, to, you"}, {"start": "00:01:52", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "know, kind of attack people. It showed"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "it as an ET device that they had"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "acquired, not a reverse engineered"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:03", "text": "man-made system."}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "Um and they never showed any of the"}, {"start": "00:02:03", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "man-made craft, the man-made [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:10", "text": "uh operations. And I think it's because"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> [clears throat]"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> Mr. Spielberg knows what side of the"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "bread his buttered on, all right? Um he"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "has been involved with CIA for some"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "years. Have people who have seen him"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "there at the agency. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:27", "text": "Um but at the same time"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "he if he were to put that in there, he"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "would never be able to get the film"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:37", "text": "distributed. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "Right? A filmmaker"}, {"start": "00:02:37", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "So I mean it's an example of me getting"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "banned off of Joe Rogan or major news"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "media or uh you know, Shawn Ryan because"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "we revealed the human technology and the"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:53", "text": "man-made craft that were being used in"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": "criminal operations. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "That is the third rail of the UFO"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "subject. You get zapped. [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "And I think he's a very smart guy."}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:04", "text": "Mr. Spielberg is a very smart guy."}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "And I think he knows strategically"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "[music] if he had portrayed the truth,"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:08", "text": "the whole truth and nothing but the"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "truth,"}, {"start": "00:03:08", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "it would have never been able to go into"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "distribution. This doesn't just surprise"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:16", "text": "me. Remember in 1997,"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "I met [music] with Arnold Kopelson who"}, {"start": "00:03:16", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "is a very big multi-billion dollar"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:24", "text": "Hollywood director and producer back in"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "those days. And he flew me out to LA and"}, {"start": "00:03:24", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "sent a small limousine took me to 20th"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "Century Fox's headquarters. And he said,"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "\"Look,"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "I have a $60 [music] million which back"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:36", "text": "then, 30 years ago, was a pretty decent"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "budget."}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "This is $60 million budget to do any"}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "film I want and I want to do it on this."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": "But I want to do it on the real the"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "whole truth of it.\" I said, \"Great. I"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:48", "text": "don't think they'll let you.\" He says,"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "\"Oh, I'm Arnold Kopelson. I can do"}, {"start": "00:03:48", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "anything I want.\" You know, with the"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "huge old, you know, Hollywood mogul"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": "mindset. I've I've met they're a dime a"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "dozen. I've met so many people like that"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "in Hollywood. It's unbelievable."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Uh in Washington, you know, it's like,"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "yeah, okay, bro. Let me know. So, he"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "sent his right-hand person, a woman,"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:08", "text": "very smart woman,"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "younger woman, [music] to the 1997"}, {"start": "00:04:08", "end": "00:04:13", "text": "private closed briefings for Congress."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:14", "text": "No one knew she was there. I did."}, {"start": "00:04:13", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "she"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:19", "text": "reported back to him. He says he she"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "[music] said, \"Damn, these are the real"}, {"start": "00:04:19", "end": "00:04:23", "text": "X-Files. This is the real thing. These"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "are real\" He's And And so, he was he"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "said, \"Okay, we're going to go with"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:28", "text": "this.\" I said, \"Great.\" Next thing you"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "know, he calls me up [music] and he"}, {"start": "00:04:28", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "goes, \"Dr. Greer, they won't let me make"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "that movie.\""}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "Because it was the truth, you see. You"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "can make a fiction and leave out"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "two-thirds of the truth. Or you can have"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:41", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:44", "text": ">> charlatans and cover-up artists on Joe"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "Rogan or CNN or Fox News or uh now Shawn"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "Ryan, who who tell"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "a false narrative and and and have"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:52", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": ">> and 10% of the truth. If you speak the"}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:56", "text": "truth, the whole truth, and nothing but"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "the truth, you are banned, [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:56", "end": "00:05:02", "text": "period. So, Mr. Spielberg"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "knows this. And he's smart enough that"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:03", "text": "he wanted to get"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:05", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:07", "text": ">> at least part of this narrative out that"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "was actually showed the ETs as very"}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "empathetic and positive and that these"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "military-industrial complex corporate"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "people were the evildoers and and the"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:21", "text": "sort of police state tactics they used."}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "So, I think that is very [music] good,"}, {"start": "00:05:21", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "but I I know why he couldn't show the"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "whole truth because it would never be"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:29", "text": "able to be put into to distribution. And"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "he doesn't own all the distribution"}, {"start": "00:05:29", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "channels. You're right?"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:36", "text": ">> And I think people don't understand the"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "way power is played on this UFO issue."}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:40", "text": "We do. [music] And and and this is why"}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "it's"}, {"start": "00:05:40", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "you know, every day I get up and go, \"My"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "god,"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "keep fighting this fight.\" It's been 36"}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Uh but, you know,"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:49", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> it's our mission and, you know, we're"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "just going to have to keep going."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:54", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "Um,"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> so,"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "somebody was mentioning about crop"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": "circles. They've seen some in There's"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:03", "text": "some interesting ones that have been"}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "appearing lately. Do you think [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "they are being faked or are some of them"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "still actual"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "phenomena?"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": ">> the the trusted people I know who used"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "to do the science on them [music] all"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "passed away or are no longer involved"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "Colin Andrews and people like that. He"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "was a scientist. He was an engineer."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:31", "text": ">> I know that as of"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "maybe 20 years ago, somewhere around 80%"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "of them were hoaxed by people."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:34", "text": "Now, the real ones"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:36", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:37", "text": ">> are very interesting."}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "Now,"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:41", "text": "currently, it's not something I have"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "time to drill down on."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "And I have no idea"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:46", "text": "if if the ones that are appearing now"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:47", "text": "are"}, {"start": "00:06:46", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "um,"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "hoaxed ones"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:51", "text": "uh,"}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "just to keep the zeitgeist going [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "or real. And uh, I don't have anyone"}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "right now that I know doing any [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "proper scientific testing on the"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:05", "text": "cellular membranes and [music] the the"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "the actual"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "uh, plant fiber itself to show whether"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:13", "text": "it was altered electromagnetically and"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "pulled down or if it was just stomped"}, {"start": "00:07:13", "end": "00:07:18", "text": "down. It's a very different very [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "different thing, right? These The ones"}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "that are real is think of anti-gravity"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "allowing you to float, but switch it"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "where you augment the gravitational"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "field and it literally pulls [music] the"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "crop down."}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "That's how the real ones are made."}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:34", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:36", "text": ">> So, think about that. Now, to my"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "knowledge, if there is someone over in"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "the UK or elsewhere doing that kind"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "[music] of research,"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "I don't know who they are. Maybe someone"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "out there does, but"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "the ones who were doing it in the '80s"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "and '90s I knew very, very well and were"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "very close friends."}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:51", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": ">> Right, thank you."}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "Um"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "there is a person that's living in"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "Canada that wants to write their"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "political representatives at the federal"}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "level."}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "What What would you suggest as far as"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "how much detail should go into the"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "letter, um"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": "it's not keep their attention and not,"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "you know, make it too long."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "Well, use [music] my address that I did"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "to the world, it's up on our website,"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "it's in our archive as a template. And"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:23", "text": "just [music] say that you're, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "a constituent and this needs to be"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "uh looked at by the Canadian government"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "and dealt with in a serious way. And"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "then warn them of the pitfalls of the"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:36", "text": "disinformation [music] that they might"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:38", "text": "encounter. And then refer them to us."}, {"start": "00:08:36", "end": "00:08:40", "text": "Because I'm happy, I mean, I go all over"}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "the world and I've met with ministers of"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "defense and"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:43", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> people in government all over from"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "Australia to Canada to Europe and and"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "around. So,"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "um [music] and I think just, you know,"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "the shorter and more succinct it is, the"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "better, but if you look at what we've"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "already generated, [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "um you can use that as a sort of"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "template. But always say that you are a"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "constituent. [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:01", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:03", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:01", "end": "00:09:06", "text": ">> Uh do you think Trump has changed since"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "he he was shot? Is he like scared now to"}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "do anything too drastic or"}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": ">> Uh well, sure. Um"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "you know, you don't go through those"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "sort of things without [music] having"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "some element of PTSD or you know, sort"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "of traumatic response. Um"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "I think the bigger problem is"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:30", "text": ">> there is fear all through the system"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "cuz I know the people in it at a deep"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:34", "text": "national security level that are on our"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:36", "text": "side of this about what this"}, {"start": "00:09:34", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "organization that have these superior"}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "technologies"}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:43", "text": "could do, might do, will do."}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:45", "text": "And um I think that's something that has"}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "slowed things [music] down because the"}, {"start": "00:09:45", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "only way to correct that is either to"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "through legal means and [music] threats"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "of prosecution and frankly execution"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:10:00", "text": "because it's [music] treason."}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "Um move them over to to the right side"}, {"start": "00:10:00", "end": "00:10:04", "text": "of the law [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "and under proper oversight or to send in"}, {"start": "00:10:04", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "the SWAT teams and [music] take down"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "those facilities. And I have met with"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "people in government who have that"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": "capability and we've made plans [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "for that. But that can't be done without"}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": "an executive order authorized [music] by"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:21", "text": "the president."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "Um something that massive."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "Um and this is of course something that"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> we discussed in detail at very long"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:33", "text": "multi-day meetings with key military"}, {"start": "00:10:30", "end": "00:10:34", "text": "uh and and CIA people [music] who are"}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "who want to do it."}, {"start": "00:10:34", "end": "00:10:38", "text": "But they can't. They need to get a go"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "button hit by the president. [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:38", "end": "00:10:42", "text": "Now"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:45", "text": "as I mentioned before, about a year ago"}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:47", "text": "we learned that the president had was"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:50", "text": "willing to slow things down"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "that federal law enforcement [music] was"}, {"start": "00:10:50", "end": "00:10:54", "text": "doing"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "so that most of this what I'm talking"}, {"start": "00:10:54", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "about won't happen until the last"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "couple of months of [music] his"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:03", "text": "administration in 2028."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "Which I think is a very big mistake"}, {"start": "00:11:03", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "because it gives way too much time for"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "these criminals to reorganize and"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:13", "text": "[music] outfox the system again."}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:15", "text": "But um"}, {"start": "00:11:13", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "But you know, again, all I can do is"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": "provide advice and perspective"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:20", "text": "uh"}, {"start": "00:11:19", "end": "00:11:22", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "what people then do with it"}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "is out of my control. And I think part"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "of that is the fear factor. I think"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:34", "text": "another big part of it is not to kind of"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "fear like oh they might kill me.\" But"}, {"start": "00:11:34", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "what I've been told, excuse my language,"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:42", "text": "by many multiple people and very much"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": "plugged into military and intelligence"}, {"start": "00:11:42", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "in the United States is that a lot of"}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "these people are having what they call"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "an oh moment. They're going, \"Oh my"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "god, this is way worse than we thought.\""}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:55", "text": "It's very dangerous. It's not just like"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": "a fascinating"}, {"start": "00:11:55", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "hobby or fantasy thing about aliens and"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:02", "text": ">> Thanks for staying till the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "watching because what comes next goes"}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "deeper than this."}]

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And of course, Gary"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "Nolan,"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "fraudulent academic at Stanford, he's"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "the guy who took the DNA from the"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "Atacama humanoid and falsified all the"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "results, right? I mean, the the sort of"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "transdimensional physics that go with"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "this, once it's sort sort of refined,"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> could do, you know, internal surgeries."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "It could cure certainly cancer and"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "infectious diseases. 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Remember, Eisenhower"}, {"start": "00:01:27", "end": "00:01:32", "text": "said, \"Only an informed citizenry"}, {"start": "00:01:31", "end": "00:01:35", "text": "can prevent [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:37", "text": "the excesses of secrecy and the abuse of"}, {"start": "00:01:35", "end": "00:01:38", "text": "power.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:01:37", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "um,"}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": "this is not about my opinion about any"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:43", "text": "particular political leader or party."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "We're non-partisan, have to be. We're"}, {"start": "00:01:43", "end": "00:01:45", "text": "global."}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:48", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:45", "end": "00:01:51", "text": ">> But, I'm just saying that the people"}, {"start": "00:01:48", "end": "00:01:54", "text": "around the president are giving him"}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "extremely bad advice. I honestly [music]"}, {"start": "00:01:54", "end": "00:01:57", "text": "don't think he knows much about the"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:00", "text": "subject. I think he, you know, when we"}, {"start": "00:01:57", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "were told I was told one or one and a"}, {"start": "00:02:00", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "half pages max is the only thing he will"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:08", "text": "read on any issue. So, that's [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "why we've had to"}, {"start": "00:02:08", "end": "00:02:13", "text": "condense terabytes of information in our"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "archive which now has [music] AI on it"}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "so you can search it"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:20", "text": "down to 345 pages which you can buy"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "online or"}, {"start": "00:02:20", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "through our store"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "redacted version down to one and then"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "the second one"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:26", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": ">> one and three quarter pages"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "because that's the way it is. So, I"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:32", "text": "don't think"}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:35", "text": "I I don't think there's a lot of real"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "depth of understanding. I'm"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "I'm not I'm not just giving him a"}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": "[music] mulligan. I just think he really"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "hasn't had time or drilled down on it"}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "and he has"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:47", "text": ">> delegated it to people who are"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:50", "text": "Trojan horses and chickens foxes in the"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:52", "text": "in the henhouse. And they are foxes in"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "the henhouse and I I sort of knew this"}, {"start": "00:02:52", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "was a problem back in um"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "a year and a half ago I was at"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:02:59", "text": "Mar-a-Lago and I I was [music] speaking"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "to Don Jr."}, {"start": "00:02:59", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "and and that young man who was shot"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:04", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> in the throat um"}, {"start": "00:03:04", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "Charlie Kirk"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "and"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "Don Jr. was talking about how wonderful"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:12", "text": "Elizondo was and his information."}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> And of course the senior CIA people I"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "know"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:21", "text": "uh one of whom has been there since the"}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "late [music] 1970s on this issue"}, {"start": "00:03:21", "end": "00:03:26", "text": "immediately contacted me when when"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": "Lou Elizondo rose on the scene because"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:32", "text": "Unacknowledged our movie"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "had over 800 million viewers and he said"}, {"start": "00:03:32", "end": "00:03:34", "text": "this is the guy who is"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:37", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:34", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> a master and he said this master of"}, {"start": "00:03:37", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "disinformation"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:43", "text": "and [music] spin and this is really bad."}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": "And so"}, {"start": "00:03:43", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "but I don't think Don Jr. or his father"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "the president have any idea who this guy"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "is. [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:53", "text": "And so"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:55", "text": "the problem is"}, {"start": "00:03:53", "end": "00:03:59", "text": "there are people who are in"}, {"start": "00:03:55", "end": "00:04:01", "text": "key national security positions."}, {"start": "00:03:59", "end": "00:04:03", "text": "And on the staff that a president or a"}, {"start": "00:04:01", "end": "00:04:05", "text": "congressman doesn't even know that"}, {"start": "00:04:03", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "they're or not the non-official cover."}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:10", "text": "And they're they're operatives for this"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "organization while they will smile smile"}, {"start": "00:04:10", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "and [music] be a villain. So, they will"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "present themselves as reasonable, but"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:20", "text": "they're really part of this other"}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "earth-ending agenda of fanaticism."}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:24", "text": "[music] So, I think this is one of the"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:25", "text": "problems with this is who do you trust?"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:27", "text": "I trust"}, {"start": "00:04:25", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "very few people, frankly. So, when you"}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:32", "text": "ask me that question"}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "um I'm always aware how easy it is for"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:37", "text": "someone [music] to be misdirected who"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "has very little experience or no"}, {"start": "00:04:37", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "experience with the subject and and very"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "very"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "skin-deep information. So, I think"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:49", "text": "that's a real liability of our system."}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "[music] Um and there are people who have"}, {"start": "00:04:49", "end": "00:04:52", "text": "advised that he should put a team of"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:54", "text": "experts together."}, {"start": "00:04:52", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "Unfortunately, he put a team of experts"}, {"start": "00:04:54", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "[music] together who are themselves"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "foxes in the hen house."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:00", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:02", "text": ">> This whole White House advisory group is"}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "chalk full"}, {"start": "00:05:02", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "of of people who are known to be"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:09", "text": "fraudsters or [music] presenting false"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "information or spinning the issue as a"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "national security threat. So, now did"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:15", "text": "the president of the United States know"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "who these people were and appoint them?"}, {"start": "00:05:15", "end": "00:05:19", "text": "Certainly not."}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "So, there's somebody and this is why I"}, {"start": "00:05:19", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "worded it to very specifically that he"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "is receiving dangerous and extremely"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "bad advice."}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "well, there's only so much I can do as a"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:34", "text": "private citizen. I don't have any"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:35", "text": "authority except"}, {"start": "00:05:34", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "speaking the [music] truth to the best"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "of my ability."}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "Next question."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:45", "text": ">> Um so, this past April was the 60th"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "anniversary of Australia's very famous"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "mass UFO Ovo"}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:50", "text": "uh the [music] Westfall event. Do you"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:54", "text": "have any information if that was"}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:56", "text": "actually an ET or a man-made event?"}, {"start": "00:05:54", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> I don't. I don't have enough data on it"}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:59", "text": "to know, you know, what that was. I"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "mean, by that [music] time, anytime"}, {"start": "00:05:59", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "after the"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "late '50s could be either. Now,"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:09", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "back way back then in Australia, [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "it's hard to say. We know that the Pine"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "Gap Alice Springs facility has been"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "operational for many decades. Uh it's an"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:18", "text": "underground"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:22", "text": ">> uh facility. Um"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:24", "text": "and I have debriefed people who worked"}, {"start": "00:06:22", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "in it."}, {"start": "00:06:24", "end": "00:06:28", "text": "Um [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:30", "text": "but whether or not those craft were"}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:32", "text": "uh non-human or human, [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "I don't have enough data to say, to be"}, {"start": "00:06:32", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "honest."}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:37", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "Um why do you think ETs choose some"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "people to heal their injuries? Like, for"}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:44", "text": "example, um Tyrus, you know, he talked"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "about his"}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:48", "text": ">> Yeah, it was like"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": ">> injury being healed, um and then"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "what you know, what would be the"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:55", "text": "criteria if if any?"}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:59", "text": ">> You know, it's I I suspect it's because"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:07:00", "text": "they sensed the person was open to that."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "If you're not open [music] to it, it"}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "won't happen. And number two, maybe down"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "the road would know about it and be"}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "because remember, they can see into the"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:10", "text": "future. [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "Remember remote viewing and technologies"}, {"start": "00:07:10", "end": "00:07:14", "text": "that augment or assist remote viewing"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:16", "text": "also [music] can see into the future."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:20", "text": "They may see that an individual may down"}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "the line have some uh ability to help"}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "the situation [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:26", "text": "on the planet and on the subject. And uh"}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:28", "text": "by the way, when Tyrus [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:26", "end": "00:07:29", "text": "uh shared that story with me on his"}, {"start": "00:07:28", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "podcast,"}, {"start": "00:07:29", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "um I think it's called Planet Tyrus"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:33", "text": "[music] or something."}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:35", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:33", "end": "00:07:37", "text": ">> He said it was the first time he had"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:38", "text": "ever spoken about it to anybody."}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "Um and he wanted to share it, and it was"}, {"start": "00:07:38", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "a beautiful [music] story of healing. Um"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "and we hear this all the time, by the"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:47", "text": "way. And of course, Gary Nolan,"}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "fraudulent academic at Stanford, he's"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:53", "text": "the guy who took the DNA from the"}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:56", "text": "Atacama humanoid and falsified all the"}, {"start": "00:07:53", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "results, [music] right? After he got a"}, {"start": "00:07:56", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "3.7 million dollar one-off grant from"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "the Department of Defense the week we"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "gave him the DNA sample. Gee, what a"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:05", "text": "coincidence."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:07", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:10", "text": ">> Now he's getting money from the CIA to"}, {"start": "00:08:07", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "document brain injuries and other"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "injuries due to encounters with UFOs"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "without saying that all of those"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "injuries are related to man-made UFOs"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "and abduction programs."}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:23", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:25", "text": ">> So, you know, this is one of the"}, {"start": "00:08:23", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "problems. You get people with great"}, {"start": "00:08:25", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "credentials [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "like Avi Loeb at Harvard or Gary Nolan"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "at Stanford or people with military"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "experience and credentials like Lou"}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "Elizondo or Tim Gallaudet."}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "And those people go, \"Hey, you know, I"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "can help you with this.\""}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:45", "text": "And they're actually on the payroll of"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "of those organizations that that's been"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "[music] keeping a secret and and"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:53", "text": "as the CIA guy said, uh,"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "have been uh,"}, {"start": "00:08:53", "end": "00:08:58", "text": "lying to the government, the media, and"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:00", "text": "and the [music] public for decades,"}, {"start": "00:08:58", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "quote unquote. And this is in the email"}, {"start": "00:09:00", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "I got from this senior CIA guy"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:06", "text": "who who very much supports what we're"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:10", "text": "trying to do."}, {"start": "00:09:06", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "Um, but I think it's it's predictable."}, {"start": "00:09:10", "end": "00:09:14", "text": "It's something we saw was probably going"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:16", "text": "to happen in the you know, 20"}, {"start": "00:09:14", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "well, more than 25 years ago, 30 years"}, {"start": "00:09:16", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "ago."}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:21", "text": "But, [music] um, it's still nevertheless"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "disconcerting to see it happening in"}, {"start": "00:09:21", "end": "00:09:23", "text": "real time."}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:25", "text": "And I think it means that we have to"}, {"start": "00:09:23", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "redouble our efforts to"}, {"start": "00:09:25", "end": "00:09:28", "text": "speak the truth and to correct the"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:29", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> false information"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:33", "text": "to the extent that we have. And I think"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "each of us who know the truth should be"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:37", "text": "doing that and find our own voices and"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "our own way of saying it."}, {"start": "00:09:37", "end": "00:09:40", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:41", "text": "And then other [music] than growing"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "back, let's say missing limbs, are you"}, {"start": "00:09:41", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "aware of any other ET technology that's"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:48", "text": "medically oriented?"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:49", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I mean, the the sort of"}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:51", "text": "[music] transdimensional physics that go"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "with this, once it's sort sort of"}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "refined,"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:56", "text": "could do, you know, internal surgeries,"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "it could cure certainly [music] cancer"}, {"start": "00:09:56", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "and infectious diseases. 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Uh this is"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:53", "text": "not a, you know, com- this is not a"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "flattering portrayal of humans, but this"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "is the state of humans right now and"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "it's not going to change [music] in a"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "twinkling of an eye. We need to bring"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "out the science and technology part of"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "[music] this before humans all reach"}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:08", "text": "some sort of higher state of"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "consciousness, [music] enlightenment."}, {"start": "00:13:08", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "And so you have to put in structural"}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:17", "text": "checks and balances against the misuse"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "and abuse of these technologies. Um"}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "which we have not done since the advent"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:22", "text": "of the atomic and nuclear bombs and"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "whatnot. 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In other words, every powerful"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:54", "text": "and super power power empire sort of"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "uh, country in history [music] always"}, {"start": "00:13:54", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "views themselves as"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:00", "text": "exempted from"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "that [music] there are two sets of"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "rules. No, this has to be a rule that's"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "for everybody. 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And that's something that, you"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "know, is a frank conversation that needs"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "to happen."}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "Now, I think usually what happens with"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "the president and the National Security"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "Council [music] and certain members of"}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:23", "text": "Congress, people go in there and just"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "present"}, {"start": "00:15:23", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "the worst case scenarios and justify the"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:29", "text": "continued secrecy."}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "So, for 80 years, that's been the"}, {"start": "00:15:29", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "argument. We can't let the public know,"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": "they'll panic."}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "Uh"}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:38", "text": "and two, we can't let the technologies"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": "out"}, {"start": "00:15:38", "end": "00:15:42", "text": "because they can be used for bad"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:45", "text": "purposes. Uh"}, {"start": "00:15:42", "end": "00:15:48", "text": "of course, you know, that's a really"}, {"start": "00:15:45", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "bogus argument. It just is a lazy way of"}, {"start": "00:15:48", "end": "00:15:53", "text": "saying we don't want to do what's"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "necessary to create a a stable world"}, {"start": "00:15:53", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "peace. Uh and it's well known what that"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "needs to be, but"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:04", "text": "there's not the social and political"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "will to do that yet. And that's what if"}, {"start": "00:16:04", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "you look carefully at the wording of"}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:10", "text": "that speech I gave,"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "it talks about that."}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:13", "text": ">> Yep. Thanks for staying to the end."}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "There's more waiting for you on this"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "channel. Subscribe, turn the bell on,"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "and keep watching because what comes"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "next goes deeper than this."}]

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I have provided a"}, {"start": "00:01:58", "end": "00:02:01", "text": "new almost two-page [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:04", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:02:01", "end": "00:02:06", "text": "briefing and uh"}, {"start": "00:02:04", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "advisory for the president that [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:06", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "was given to him directly by um someone"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "on our team who knows him personally."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:14", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:16", "text": "And we have also delivered materials to"}, {"start": "00:02:14", "end": "00:02:18", "text": "the Secretary of War and Pete [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:16", "end": "00:02:21", "text": "takes that as well as others. And in"}, {"start": "00:02:18", "end": "00:02:23", "text": "fact, I'm in Washington now. Uh, there's"}, {"start": "00:02:21", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "someone on our team who is going to be"}, {"start": "00:02:23", "end": "00:02:29", "text": "meeting with the Secretary of War"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "this week. So, that's sort of what we're"}, {"start": "00:02:29", "end": "00:02:34", "text": "trying to uh ameliorate"}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "and fix this sort of misdirection."}, {"start": "00:02:34", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "Uh, but of course, we're not surprised."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:41", "text": "I mean, remember in the 1990s, [music] I"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:43", "text": "wrote the paper when disclosure serves"}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:45", "text": "secrecy. And let me explain what that"}, {"start": "00:02:43", "end": "00:02:47", "text": "title means. It means"}, {"start": "00:02:45", "end": "00:02:49", "text": "when a fake and false disclosure [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:47", "end": "00:02:51", "text": "or partial disclosure"}, {"start": "00:02:49", "end": "00:02:54", "text": "begins to happen that is spun in the"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:56", "text": "direction of what the covert [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:54", "end": "00:02:58", "text": "criminal cabal that's kept this secret"}, {"start": "00:02:56", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "since the the '40s and '50s [music]"}, {"start": "00:02:58", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "have as their agenda. And that is an"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:05", "text": "alien threat, covering up their own"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": "misdeeds, covering up the use of"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "advanced [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": "reverse-engineered man-made"}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:11", "text": "technologies, and the abductions,"}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:13", "text": "mutilations,"}, {"start": "00:03:11", "end": "00:03:14", "text": "um, child trafficking, and other uh"}, {"start": "00:03:13", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "crimes, [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:14", "end": "00:03:19", "text": "as well as assassination and so-called"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:23", "text": "wet works, targeted killings of innocent"}, {"start": "00:03:19", "end": "00:03:25", "text": "[music] civilians. Uh, this is all part"}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:27", "text": "of the same group that have these"}, {"start": "00:03:25", "end": "00:03:29", "text": "cutouts or non-official cover people who"}, {"start": "00:03:27", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "are carrying water"}, {"start": "00:03:29", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "for this criminal enterprise who are now"}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:35", "text": "in the key positions [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:38", "text": "uh, doing this. And as you also know,"}, {"start": "00:03:35", "end": "00:03:39", "text": "there was this fake disclosure forum."}, {"start": "00:03:38", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "Don't you love how everyone's ripped off"}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "the name that I created in the '90s?"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:45", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:47", "text": ">> Um, on Capitol Hill that was in the um"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "Kennedy briefing."}, {"start": "00:03:47", "end": "00:03:51", "text": "Uh, headed up by Chris Mellon who has"}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "been an operative and had worked with"}, {"start": "00:03:51", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "Senator John Warner,"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:54", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> not to be confused with the current"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:58", "text": "Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, both"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:04:00", "text": "Virginia Senators."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "Senator John Warner's dead, but he was a"}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:07", "text": "low-level functionary on the"}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:09", "text": "cabal keeping the secrets, and Chris"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": "Mellon was right hand [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": "to him on that. And of course he"}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:15", "text": "pretends like all this is all something"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "we need to discover, but he his opening"}, {"start": "00:04:15", "end": "00:04:21", "text": "remarks were the intruders into our"}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "airspace and the threat to our national"}, {"start": "00:04:21", "end": "00:04:22", "text": "security."}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:24", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:22", "end": "00:04:27", "text": ">> This is what the warmongers and the"}, {"start": "00:04:24", "end": "00:04:30", "text": "religious fanatics want."}, {"start": "00:04:27", "end": "00:04:33", "text": "And then to top it off now after several"}, {"start": "00:04:30", "end": "00:04:34", "text": "um horrific interviews that the Vice"}, {"start": "00:04:33", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "President [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:38", "text": "uh J.D. Vance has given, he did another"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:41", "text": "one uh on the biggest podcast in the"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:42", "text": "world, Joe Rogan, and again referred to"}, {"start": "00:04:41", "end": "00:04:43", "text": "the UFOs as"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:04:43", "end": "00:04:48", "text": ">> demons. So, um of course that's because"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:51", "text": "he's part of an"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "extremist religious group, a fanatical"}, {"start": "00:04:51", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "group known as Opus Dei at the Vatican."}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:57", "text": "And there are a number of other people"}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:04:59", "text": "who clandestinely are part of that that"}, {"start": "00:04:57", "end": "00:05:04", "text": "are part of the UFO subculture and are"}, {"start": "00:04:59", "end": "00:05:06", "text": "embedded within CIA, FBI, DOD, etc. And"}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:08", "text": "this is a very big problem. [music] You"}, {"start": "00:05:06", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "know, we saw this in the '90s. We"}, {"start": "00:05:08", "end": "00:05:12", "text": "have warned against it in in briefings"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:14", "text": "with members of Congress I've had"}, {"start": "00:05:12", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "personally and and and the uh very"}, {"start": "00:05:14", "end": "00:05:17", "text": "detailed memos that have gone and"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "[music] been put in the president's"}, {"start": "00:05:17", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "hand,"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:23", "text": "but so far it's fallen on deaf ears. So,"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "we are now in a launch period"}, {"start": "00:05:23", "end": "00:05:28", "text": "of false disclosure and catastrophic"}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": "disclosure unless we can bend the curve"}, {"start": "00:05:28", "end": "00:05:32", "text": "back to the truth, and this is a very"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:36", "text": "big question as to whether that can"}, {"start": "00:05:32", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "happen. Um so, I would tell people you"}, {"start": "00:05:36", "end": "00:05:38", "text": "you should we need to be prepared for"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:41", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:05:38", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "um because it seems like over the next"}, {"start": "00:05:41", "end": "00:05:45", "text": "coming months or a couple years their"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:47", "text": "original plan that that you you Wernher"}, {"start": "00:05:45", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "von Braun who invented the the [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:47", "end": "00:05:51", "text": "rocket for Adolf Hitler, warned on his"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:53", "text": "deathbed to Carol Rosin"}, {"start": "00:05:51", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "that they would hoax and create the"}, {"start": "00:05:53", "end": "00:05:55", "text": "spectre of an alien threat"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:57", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:06:00", "text": ">> in an attempt to unite the world around"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:04", "text": "a fascistic, militaristic, uh"}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:06", "text": "global order uh based on fear and"}, {"start": "00:06:04", "end": "00:06:08", "text": "controlling people through fear rather"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:10", "text": "than peace and universal peace, [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:08", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "which is of course our mission."}, {"start": "00:06:10", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "So, I think this is, you know, I'm"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "giving you the unvarnished truth. This"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:14", "text": "is how I am."}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:16", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:14", "end": "00:06:18", "text": ">> People might find it offensive."}, {"start": "00:06:16", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "Sometimes I don't care. Um there's a"}, {"start": "00:06:18", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "wonderful old Persian [music] saying, I"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "give you counsel whether"}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "I know, I speak the truth [music]"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:29", "text": "whether it gives you counsel or offense."}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:31", "text": "So, I think it's important that we be"}, {"start": "00:06:29", "end": "00:06:33", "text": "[music] truth speakers of truth to power"}, {"start": "00:06:31", "end": "00:06:35", "text": "here and all of us are going to have to"}, {"start": "00:06:33", "end": "00:06:36", "text": "organize around that who who know the"}, {"start": "00:06:35", "end": "00:06:39", "text": "truth"}, {"start": "00:06:36", "end": "00:06:42", "text": "uh and are working for peace as opposed"}, {"start": "00:06:39", "end": "00:06:43", "text": "to endless war exporting. You really"}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:45", "text": "what they want to do, they want to"}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:48", "text": "create world peace by uniting the world"}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:50", "text": "around an enemy from space. That's been"}, {"start": "00:06:48", "end": "00:06:54", "text": "the long-term agenda. World unification"}, {"start": "00:06:50", "end": "00:06:57", "text": "[music] through war, not through peace."}, {"start": "00:06:54", "end": "00:06:58", "text": "And because fear is so contagious and"}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:06:59", "text": "and people have so little knowledge on"}, {"start": "00:06:58", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "this"}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:03", "text": "unfortunately even our political leaders"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "are very [music] susceptible to these"}, {"start": "00:07:03", "end": "00:07:07", "text": "narratives because"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:08", "text": "they haven't spent the time to drill"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:11", "text": "down on the subject on the"}, {"start": "00:07:08", "end": "00:07:12", "text": "counterintelligence disinformation"}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:15", "text": "programs, [music] the psychological"}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:17", "text": "warfare operations from the CIA."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:19", "text": "This whole subject is so complex. And"}, {"start": "00:07:17", "end": "00:07:21", "text": "when you're busy, it's very easy to pick"}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:24", "text": "off [music] these politicians who are"}, {"start": "00:07:21", "end": "00:07:25", "text": "all brand new to this one by one by one."}, {"start": "00:07:24", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "And that's exactly what [music] has"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "happened, unfortunately. Now, does it"}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:31", "text": "mean it's a lost cause? No. It may be"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:34", "text": "that these uh"}, {"start": "00:07:31", "end": "00:07:36", "text": "foolish advisers and people will [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:34", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "run their course and a light bulb might"}, {"start": "00:07:36", "end": "00:07:40", "text": "go off at some point over in the heads"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "of the ones who are making these"}, {"start": "00:07:40", "end": "00:07:41", "text": "decisions."}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:43", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:07:41", "end": "00:07:45", "text": ">> But it's also why we need to make an"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:48", "text": "appeal to those of you in other"}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:49", "text": "countries to reach out to your"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "governments, your parliamentarians,"}, {"start": "00:07:49", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:54", "text": "your folks,"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:57", "text": "and send them our material, and"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "particularly the speech I wrote that I"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:08:01", "text": "gave a few weeks ago that was really"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:03", "text": "written for world"}, {"start": "00:08:01", "end": "00:08:04", "text": "leaders, and I just decided to deliver"}, {"start": "00:08:03", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "it as if well,"}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:08", "text": "as if they wouldn't because apparently"}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "they haven't. Now, we don't know how"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:12", "text": "this is going to play out."}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:15", "text": "Um a friend of the president said to me"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:16", "text": "once, \"Well, he'll keep his"}, {"start": "00:08:15", "end": "00:08:19", "text": "friends close, his enemies closer, and"}, {"start": "00:08:16", "end": "00:08:20", "text": "sometimes he'll pull people in just to"}, {"start": "00:08:19", "end": "00:08:22", "text": "give them enough"}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": "access to catch them red-handed in all"}, {"start": "00:08:22", "end": "00:08:26", "text": "manner of things, right?\" [music] So,"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:29", "text": "and I don't know if that's true or not."}, {"start": "00:08:26", "end": "00:08:31", "text": "The other very disconcerting comment"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:34", "text": "that was made by a member of Congress I"}, {"start": "00:08:31", "end": "00:08:35", "text": "met several times, Congressman Burchett,"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:37", "text": "is that he said, \"Well, now that the"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:39", "text": "White House is releasing [music] this"}, {"start": "00:08:37", "end": "00:08:41", "text": "material, we don't have to have any more"}, {"start": "00:08:39", "end": "00:08:43", "text": "hearings.\" Very big mistake because now"}, {"start": "00:08:41", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "that we know that the president has been"}, {"start": "00:08:43", "end": "00:08:48", "text": "completely his people around him have"}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:51", "text": "put into place"}, {"start": "00:08:48", "end": "00:08:52", "text": "a Trojan horse. These are These are"}, {"start": "00:08:51", "end": "00:08:55", "text": "people who are in there who are [music]"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:56", "text": "foxes in the hen house who have this"}, {"start": "00:08:55", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "agenda,"}, {"start": "00:08:56", "end": "00:09:02", "text": "and who secretly [music] and this"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "believe that these"}, {"start": "00:09:02", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "ETs are alien demons"}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": ">> who we need to fight and are a threat to"}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": "the national security. So, that"}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "narrative has made it all the way to the"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:12", "text": "top."}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:15", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:09:12", "end": "00:09:18", "text": ">> Um both in Congress there are people who"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:20", "text": "are espousing similar foolish ideas."}, {"start": "00:09:18", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "And yet, they still haven't understood"}, {"start": "00:09:20", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "what I call the [music] kindergarten"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "level of the subject. And that is that"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:29", "text": "the prominent and dominant phenomenon"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:32", "text": "that people see is man-made. Those are"}, {"start": "00:09:29", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "man-made operations, man-made"}, {"start": "00:09:32", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "anti-gravity craft, uh"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:40", "text": "human conducted abductions, mutilations,"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": "child trafficking, all manner of"}, {"start": "00:09:40", "end": "00:09:44", "text": "horrific things."}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": "And then the things that are from other"}, {"start": "00:09:44", "end": "00:09:49", "text": "dimensions, they are confusing with"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:50", "text": "transdimensional physics that ETs use to"}, {"start": "00:09:49", "end": "00:09:52", "text": "go from one point in space [music] to"}, {"start": "00:09:50", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "another because when they're not in a"}, {"start": "00:09:52", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "solid form and they're going beyond the"}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": "speed of light, matter, electrons, etc."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "They're in a"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:01", "text": "energy field that very closely resembles"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:03", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:06", "text": "the so-called spirit world or astral"}, {"start": "00:10:03", "end": "00:10:08", "text": "world or worlds of light. And we began"}, {"start": "00:10:06", "end": "00:10:10", "text": "to reveal all this information back in"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:12", "text": "the early 1990s, but it still isn't"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:14", "text": "understood by the general public or by"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:17", "text": "the media or by politicians. [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:14", "end": "00:10:20", "text": "And so they're"}, {"start": "00:10:17", "end": "00:10:23", "text": "deliberately being led to think that the"}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:25", "text": "ETs are just malevolent [music] spirits"}, {"start": "00:10:23", "end": "00:10:26", "text": "from another dimension. Now, one of the"}, {"start": "00:10:25", "end": "00:10:29", "text": "things I want to mention, and you can go"}, {"start": "00:10:26", "end": "00:10:31", "text": "and look this up in Webster Dictionary"}, {"start": "00:10:29", "end": "00:10:35", "text": "online or any definition. Let me define"}, {"start": "00:10:31", "end": "00:10:36", "text": "a demon for people. A demon is in caps a"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:39", "text": "nonphysical [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:41", "text": "malevolent spiritual"}, {"start": "00:10:39", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "spirit [music] being. That is the"}, {"start": "00:10:41", "end": "00:10:44", "text": "definition. And as Monsignor Balducci"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:47", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:10:44", "end": "00:10:49", "text": ">> kind of joked but was serious as he said"}, {"start": "00:10:47", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "in the 1990s when I was with him and he"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:53", "text": "was the senior theologian to the Pope"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "and also a demonologist that turned"}, {"start": "00:10:53", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "[music] out didn't know that initially."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:10:59", "text": "He said, \"No, neither demons nor angels"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "need flying saucers and they certainly"}, {"start": "00:10:59", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "don't have bodies that we dissect.\" So,"}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "the thing the problem here is a very big"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:08", "text": "paradigm crisis. [music]"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:11", "text": "It's a crisis in understanding the"}, {"start": "00:11:08", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "cosmos and the multi-dimensional"}, {"start": "00:11:11", "end": "00:11:14", "text": "universe"}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:16", "text": "and the physics. [music] Let me be"}, {"start": "00:11:14", "end": "00:11:18", "text": "clear, the physics"}, {"start": "00:11:16", "end": "00:11:21", "text": "of transdimensional"}, {"start": "00:11:18", "end": "00:11:24", "text": "interstellar travel, communications,"}, {"start": "00:11:21", "end": "00:11:25", "text": "etc. Because of the overlap, and this is"}, {"start": "00:11:24", "end": "00:11:28", "text": "what we're going to do a lot [music] at"}, {"start": "00:11:25", "end": "00:11:30", "text": "Hazy Mountain up on this mountain"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:32", "text": "outside our home in Charlottesville,"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:35", "text": "Virginia, the Blue Ridge Mountains on on"}, {"start": "00:11:32", "end": "00:11:36", "text": "[music] in about a week on July 24th is"}, {"start": "00:11:35", "end": "00:11:38", "text": "where we're going to do a deep dive into"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:40", "text": "the physics of that and where the"}, {"start": "00:11:38", "end": "00:11:43", "text": "overlap is with the [music] science of"}, {"start": "00:11:40", "end": "00:11:46", "text": "consciousness, the ancient Vedas that"}, {"start": "00:11:43", "end": "00:11:48", "text": "are described in the"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:51", "text": "the Vedas that the cities they're called"}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:53", "text": "cities [music] s i d d h i s and also go"}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": "into the details of how"}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:59", "text": "an extraterrestrial being and craft or"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:01", "text": "craft [music] can appear to be something"}, {"start": "00:11:59", "end": "00:12:03", "text": "like from another dimension like a ghost"}, {"start": "00:12:01", "end": "00:12:06", "text": "or a spirit but isn't. [music] It's just"}, {"start": "00:12:03", "end": "00:12:08", "text": "in that form until it materializes 3D."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "Now, the overlap is where [music] you"}, {"start": "00:12:08", "end": "00:12:14", "text": "can also have malevolent or benign"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:16", "text": "beings from other dimensions can have an"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:18", "text": "effect in the three-dimensional universe"}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:20", "text": "such as what's been called poltergeist"}, {"start": "00:12:18", "end": "00:12:22", "text": "when a disturbed ghost knocks something"}, {"start": "00:12:20", "end": "00:12:24", "text": "off the table or you know, does [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:27", "text": "something like that. And the all of this"}, {"start": "00:12:24", "end": "00:12:30", "text": "causes so much confusion because"}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:33", "text": "religious fanaticism and ignorance has"}, {"start": "00:12:30", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "been combined with ufology. [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:33", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "And nobody is doing anything discerning"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:38", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:40", "text": ">> and in detail."}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "And I know that sometimes when I try to"}, {"start": "00:12:40", "end": "00:12:44", "text": "discuss this with"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:47", "text": "lawyers [music] and"}, {"start": "00:12:44", "end": "00:12:49", "text": "politicians and policymakers, their eyes"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "glaze over. It's a bridge too [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:49", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "far. But the problem is"}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:55", "text": "if you don't understand the kindergarten"}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:57", "text": "level of this and that's what [music]"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:59", "text": "I'm describing right now. It's the first"}, {"start": "00:12:57", "end": "00:13:02", "text": "thing you have to understand is that"}, {"start": "00:12:59", "end": "00:13:04", "text": "there are three major phenomena being"}, {"start": "00:13:02", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "called one thing. [music] But that's by"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "design by this covert group because in"}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:09", "text": "that confusion, they can"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:12", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:14", "text": ">> misdirect people and run their agenda."}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:16", "text": "So, knowledge is power. That's a great"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:18", "text": "[music] quote from the Vedas."}, {"start": "00:13:16", "end": "00:13:19", "text": "And we have to"}, {"start": "00:13:18", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "continue to put the knowledge out"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:24", "text": "[music] and and the truth out even if"}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:26", "text": "initially people don't understand it."}, {"start": "00:13:24", "end": "00:13:29", "text": "And that's just the nature of a very big"}, {"start": "00:13:26", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "paradigm-changing time like we're in."}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "It's a huge shift in our understanding"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:35", "text": "of ourselves, of the cosmos, who's in"}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:37", "text": "it, but also these other dimensions,"}, {"start": "00:13:35", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "which I don't deny exist. I just think"}, {"start": "00:13:37", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "you don't call the the boogeyman from"}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:45", "text": "lower dimensions of the ninth ring of"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:47", "text": "hell an extraterrestrial biological"}, {"start": "00:13:45", "end": "00:13:50", "text": "entity in a physical spacecraft. [music]"}, {"start": "00:13:47", "end": "00:13:52", "text": "To conflate those two things is is such"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:55", "text": "global unbelievable ignorance that it"}, {"start": "00:13:52", "end": "00:13:56", "text": "beggars the imagination. But the what"}, {"start": "00:13:55", "end": "00:13:58", "text": "can you do? I mean this is [music] you"}, {"start": "00:13:56", "end": "00:14:01", "text": "know now we have"}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:02", "text": "a guy who's a heartbeat away with an"}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "80-year-old president from the Oval"}, {"start": "00:14:02", "end": "00:14:06", "text": "Office who is saying this in multiple"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "interviews. So this is very dangerous"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:11", "text": "time and this is [music] the result of I"}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:13", "text": "want to be clear, religious extremism"}, {"start": "00:14:11", "end": "00:14:16", "text": "and fanaticism devoid of truth. It has"}, {"start": "00:14:13", "end": "00:14:18", "text": "nothing to do with real religion, real"}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:21", "text": "[music] spirituality, real truth."}, {"start": "00:14:18", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "Uh and this is one of the real problems"}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:23", "text": "with organized religion."}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:26", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:23", "end": "00:14:28", "text": ">> It devolves into these sort of corrupt,"}, {"start": "00:14:26", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "superstitious belief systems [music]"}, {"start": "00:14:28", "end": "00:14:33", "text": "that are manipulated by men wanting to"}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:35", "text": "seek control and power over their flock."}, {"start": "00:14:33", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "[music] It is that simple. It's all"}, {"start": "00:14:35", "end": "00:14:40", "text": "about power, it's all about control,"}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:43", "text": "it's all a disinformation effort, and in"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:44", "text": "some cases they're sincerely"}, {"start": "00:14:43", "end": "00:14:46", "text": "believing what [music] they're saying. I"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:48", "text": "I think the vice president does. But of"}, {"start": "00:14:46", "end": "00:14:51", "text": "course they're sincerely wrong. You can"}, {"start": "00:14:48", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "be sincere and wrong. So he is sincerely"}, {"start": "00:14:51", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "wrong and he's been misled and we knew"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:59", "text": "this was coming because in the '80s and"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "'90s there were books written by"}, {"start": "00:14:59", "end": "00:15:03", "text": "extremist [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:06", "text": "religious fanatics from many walks of"}, {"start": "00:15:03", "end": "00:15:09", "text": "life saying that the UFOs and the ETs"}, {"start": "00:15:06", "end": "00:15:10", "text": "were demons and were from the devil and"}, {"start": "00:15:09", "end": "00:15:12", "text": "this sort of thing."}, {"start": "00:15:10", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "Now you would hope that in the modern"}, {"start": "00:15:12", "end": "00:15:17", "text": "era educated people like a vice"}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:18", "text": "president who went to Yale Law School"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "would know better. But here's something"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "I want to say and you [music] need to"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:26", "text": "listen. Belief always"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": "supersedes and and and squelches reason"}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "and intellect. You look at the Third"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "Reich. Look at Adolf Hitler. You had"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:33", "text": "geniuses"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:35", "text": "who were in there who in terms of"}, {"start": "00:15:33", "end": "00:15:37", "text": "physics, [music]"}, {"start": "00:15:35", "end": "00:15:39", "text": "um, chemistry, everything else. But"}, {"start": "00:15:37", "end": "00:15:41", "text": "their belief system that they had to"}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "exterminate anyone who wasn't [music] a"}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:47", "text": "pure Aryan race trumped all of their"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "other capabilities intellectually or"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "otherwise. So, when you have a false and"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "fanatical, fear-based [music] and"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:57", "text": "hate-based belief system, whether you're"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:15:59", "text": "a jihadist blowing yourself up in a"}, {"start": "00:15:57", "end": "00:16:01", "text": "pizza parlor, or whether you're"}, {"start": "00:15:59", "end": "00:16:03", "text": "whatever, someone out of the Vatican, it"}, {"start": "00:16:01", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "doesn't matter. Fanaticism, religious"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "[music] extremism"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:08", "text": "is always deleterious to the human"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:12", "text": "[music]"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "society. And unfortunately, we have not"}, {"start": "00:16:12", "end": "00:16:15", "text": "adulthood's in ain't over. We're still"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": "[music] acting like a bunch of children"}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:20", "text": "with this. And I will I'm a little"}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "concerned that humanity is going to have"}, {"start": "00:16:20", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "some very tough lessons coming up"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "because we have failed to"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "apprehend, never mind comprehend, the"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:33", "text": "basics of this issue even as it's being"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:35", "text": "now officially pushed towards"}, {"start": "00:16:33", "end": "00:16:36", "text": "disclosure. [music]"}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": "So, I'm hoping, you know, what I'm"}, {"start": "00:16:36", "end": "00:16:40", "text": "saying here, we will put on the internet"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:43", "text": "and some people will find it offensive."}, {"start": "00:16:40", "end": "00:16:45", "text": "I don't mind. If if religious extremists"}, {"start": "00:16:43", "end": "00:16:47", "text": "who are [music] filled with hate and"}, {"start": "00:16:45", "end": "00:16:50", "text": "violence find something offensive, they"}, {"start": "00:16:47", "end": "00:16:53", "text": "can just damn well be offended. But, um,"}, {"start": "00:16:50", "end": "00:16:56", "text": "because we don't have time to varnish"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:59", "text": "and gloss over these issues anymore."}, {"start": "00:16:56", "end": "00:17:02", "text": "It's because now it's reached not just a"}, {"start": "00:16:59", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "lunatic [music] fringe of UFO-ology"}, {"start": "00:17:02", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "and fringe religious fanatics who looked"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "into the issue back in the '80s and"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:10", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:13", "text": ">> '70s and '80s. It's now in the White"}, {"start": "00:17:10", "end": "00:17:16", "text": "House. It's now in Congress. It's now"}, {"start": "00:17:13", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "officially out there. So, I think we're"}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "we're going to have a very big job in"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:21", "text": "correcting [music] that narrative. And"}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:23", "text": "if we don't succeed, I would prepare"}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": "tell people to be prepared for the"}, {"start": "00:17:23", "end": "00:17:26", "text": "worst-case"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:28", "text": "scenario."}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:31", "text": "Worst-case scenario, [music] and you can"}, {"start": "00:17:28", "end": "00:17:33", "text": "leave that to your imagination. So, now"}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:34", "text": "the solution is really"}, {"start": "00:17:33", "end": "00:17:37", "text": "doing what we're [music] doing, the"}, {"start": "00:17:34", "end": "00:17:38", "text": "public writing the representatives and"}, {"start": "00:17:37", "end": "00:17:40", "text": "the vice and president sort of saying,"}, {"start": "00:17:38", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "\"Hey, you're going off the rails here,"}, {"start": "00:17:40", "end": "00:17:45", "text": "and we're watching.\" And believe [music]"}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:48", "text": "me, politicians do listen when they hear"}, {"start": "00:17:45", "end": "00:17:50", "text": "enough people saying something. Um and"}, {"start": "00:17:48", "end": "00:17:51", "text": "the other thing we all need to do is CE5"}, {"start": "00:17:50", "end": "00:17:54", "text": "contact. [music] You know, so those of"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:57", "text": "you who can't be in person with us uh"}, {"start": "00:17:54", "end": "00:17:59", "text": "next week and weekend, I hope you can be"}, {"start": "00:17:57", "end": "00:18:00", "text": "with us virtually cuz we need to have uh"}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:02", "text": "thousands [music] and eventually"}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": "millions of people in higher"}, {"start": "00:18:02", "end": "00:18:08", "text": "consciousness doing CE5 so that this"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "enlightened perspective almost through"}, {"start": "00:18:08", "end": "00:18:11", "text": "non-local [music] osmosis,"}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "consciousness, the field of"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:15", "text": "consciousness reaches more and more of"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:18", "text": "the public. Because that's how we can"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:20", "text": "really correct a vision a division"}, {"start": "00:18:18", "end": "00:18:23", "text": "that's going sideways onto a correct"}, {"start": "00:18:20", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "understanding that can lead to not only"}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:25", "text": "world peace but universal peace"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:27", "text": ">> [music]"}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:31", "text": ">> and"}, {"start": "00:18:27", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "the unification of Earth but also the"}, {"start": "00:18:31", "end": "00:18:35", "text": "unification of Earth with these other"}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "planetary [music] civilizations. And"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:39", "text": "that's the era that's coming, all right?"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:41", "text": "And I think within the next few hundred"}, {"start": "00:18:39", "end": "00:18:43", "text": "to a thousand years, Earth will be"}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:46", "text": "united with every other planet out there"}, {"start": "00:18:43", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "that's attained interstellar travel and"}, {"start": "00:18:46", "end": "00:18:49", "text": "what have you. But the only way that's"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "going to happen is that we leave our"}, {"start": "00:18:49", "end": "00:18:56", "text": "childish tantrums and beliefs behind."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:58", "text": "This childhood's end. And become"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "denizens of the cosmos and become"}, {"start": "00:18:58", "end": "00:19:03", "text": "somewhat at least reasonable if not"}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:04", "text": "enlightened. Right now, the things that"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:06", "text": "are going on are not reasonable. They're"}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:09", "text": "unenlightened, and they're very, very"}, {"start": "00:19:06", "end": "00:19:11", "text": "dangerous. And in the two-page memo that"}, {"start": "00:19:09", "end": "00:19:12", "text": "was put in the president's hands, I"}, {"start": "00:19:11", "end": "00:19:15", "text": "worded it that way. This is"}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:16", "text": "catastrophic. It's very dangerous. It"}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:18", "text": "needs to be corrected. But of course,"}, {"start": "00:19:16", "end": "00:19:20", "text": "then this week you have the vice"}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:22", "text": "president calling UFOs demons. So there"}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "you are."}, {"start": "00:19:22", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "So we're going to do what we can. I hope"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:27", "text": "all of you can as well. And so now I'll"}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:29", "text": "open it up to your questions."}, {"start": "00:19:27", "end": "00:19:30", "text": ">> Thanks for staying to the end. There's"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:32", "text": "more waiting for you on this channel."}, {"start": "00:19:30", "end": "00:19:34", "text": "Subscribe, turn the bell on, and keep"}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "watching because what comes next goes"}, {"start": "00:19:34", "end": "00:19:37", "text": "deeper than this."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "There's this cruise that departed from"}, {"start": "00:00:01", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "Argentina. Three people died."}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:09", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Someone got on that ship"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "that was carrying the pont virus. From"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "what they're saying the mortality rate"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "is anywhere between 30 and 50%."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> Not good. It was basically like a world"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "exploratory cruise. They stopped at an"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "island off the coast of Africa because"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "they're like people are dying and people"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "were like do not come to port. They"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "ended up being able to go to Spain, I"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "believe, undocked. And so people that"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "were on it, they all flew home. But they"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "first brought the diseased ones that had"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "not died yet. I think they brought them"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "to Germany. There's no cure for it."}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:37", "text": ">> So it's a coin flip whether you're going"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "to die or not."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> The problem with sending these people"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:43", "text": "all over the world is that it takes like"}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "10 days to incubate. So you can have it"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "and not know for like 10 days and then"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "you"}]

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[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Hey ninjas, welcome to the show. Guess"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "what? Pastors were gathered all over the"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "nation and they are debriefed by"}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "government and intelligence officials"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "about the upcoming alien invasion. Is it"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "a deception? Is it real? Probably a"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:16", "text": "deception. We're going to talk about it."}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": ">> And the US Navy is strapping bombs to"}, {"start": "00:00:16", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "dolphins, ladies and gentlemen. They've"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "been doing it since Vietnam. It's a wild"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "ride."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:23", "text": ">> Last week we talked about Russian"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "cryptids. This week we're talking about"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "Alaska and Appalachia. And there's more"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "connections than you can even imagine."}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "It's going to be nuts. And unless you're"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "trapped in a double inception deception."}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": ">> This podcast is brought to you empowered"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "by Sunday. So watch this or listen."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:39", "text": ">> A double inception deception."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> Oh, that that's what she said."}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> A double inception deception."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:46", "text": ">> A double inception deception."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> That sounds like a ding double"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "inception. A deception."}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:52", "text": ">> Really quick, if you could put any kind"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "of AI crazy image underneath a picture"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "of a t-shirt for a transition to the"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "next segment, like what would be there?"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "Uh, Nessie."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:00:59", "text": ">> What's Nessie doing? Vladimir Putin's"}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "wearing the shirt on Nessie."}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> What are you talking about?"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> You'll see."}, {"start": "00:01:14", "end": "00:01:18", "text": ">> Andrew. And Andrew is getting me snacks"}, {"start": "00:01:17", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "every episode."}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:23", "text": ">> That's very nice."}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:24", "text": ">> Maybe you want something."}, {"start": "00:01:23", "end": "00:01:25", "text": ">> Money, perhaps."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:26", "text": ">> Money."}, {"start": "00:01:25", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "trying to bribe you or something."}, {"start": "00:01:26", "end": "00:01:30", "text": ">> It's a cool jacket."}, {"start": "00:01:28", "end": "00:01:32", "text": ">> You think"}, {"start": "00:01:30", "end": "00:01:33", "text": ">> we bought that for the 80s video, didn't"}, {"start": "00:01:32", "end": "00:01:36", "text": "we? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:33", "end": "00:01:36", "text": ">> Uh, a fan sent us that a long time ago."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> Oh, really? Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:36", "end": "00:01:38", "text": ">> We used it for the 80s video for sure."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:40", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:38", "end": "00:01:42", "text": ">> I have to wear a jacket because it's"}, {"start": "00:01:40", "end": "00:01:44", "text": "flipping cold in here."}, {"start": "00:01:42", "end": "00:01:46", "text": ">> It is cold. I literally I I just told"}, {"start": "00:01:44", "end": "00:01:49", "text": "you I had to leave the office because I"}, {"start": "00:01:46", "end": "00:01:51", "text": "couldn't focus. My legs were too cold"}, {"start": "00:01:49", "end": "00:01:53", "text": "and I I was like, I will work from home."}, {"start": "00:01:51", "end": "00:01:55", "text": "I can't do this right now. I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:01:53", "end": "00:01:59", "text": "bring in a blanket. What personality"}, {"start": "00:01:55", "end": "00:02:02", "text": "type exists where there's one person in"}, {"start": "00:01:59", "end": "00:02:05", "text": "the room that likes this temperature and"}, {"start": "00:02:02", "end": "00:02:07", "text": "they win the temperature gauge? What"}, {"start": "00:02:05", "end": "00:02:09", "text": "personality type is that?"}, {"start": "00:02:07", "end": "00:02:10", "text": ">> So, a control freak who gets their own"}, {"start": "00:02:09", "end": "00:02:11", "text": "way."}, {"start": "00:02:10", "end": "00:02:13", "text": ">> That's me."}, {"start": "00:02:11", "end": "00:02:15", "text": ">> No, I like it cold."}, {"start": "00:02:13", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> Andrew, you're too cold."}, {"start": "00:02:15", "end": "00:02:17", "text": ">> My thing is if you're cold, what's it"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:19", "text": "with the"}, {"start": "00:02:17", "end": "00:02:22", "text": ">> We can get warm. You can get warm in"}, {"start": "00:02:19", "end": "00:02:24", "text": "here. We got sweaters, Sunny Cooled"}, {"start": "00:02:22", "end": "00:02:26", "text": "Prince blankets. We can get warm. If"}, {"start": "00:02:24", "end": "00:02:28", "text": "you're hot,"}, {"start": "00:02:26", "end": "00:02:30", "text": "you can't get cold unless you get a"}, {"start": "00:02:28", "end": "00:02:31", "text": "bucket of ice to put your feet in."}, {"start": "00:02:30", "end": "00:02:32", "text": ">> Truth."}, {"start": "00:02:31", "end": "00:02:35", "text": ">> And that's just uncomfortable. Then you"}, {"start": "00:02:32", "end": "00:02:36", "text": "got wet, cold feet. And we know what"}, {"start": "00:02:35", "end": "00:02:38", "text": "happens when you get cold feet."}, {"start": "00:02:36", "end": "00:02:40", "text": ">> What happens?"}, {"start": "00:02:38", "end": "00:02:40", "text": ">> You leave them at the altar."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:40", "end": "00:02:42", "text": ">> Families are ruined."}, {"start": "00:02:41", "end": "00:02:44", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:02:42", "end": "00:02:46", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Speaking of leaving people"}, {"start": "00:02:44", "end": "00:02:48", "text": "at the altar,"}, {"start": "00:02:46", "end": "00:02:50", "text": ">> Pride and Prejudice."}, {"start": "00:02:48", "end": "00:02:51", "text": ">> Remind me. What? What's that one?"}, {"start": "00:02:50", "end": "00:02:53", "text": ">> Are you serious?"}, {"start": "00:02:51", "end": "00:02:55", "text": ">> No, I'm joking. Go. I just learned this."}, {"start": "00:02:53", "end": "00:02:57", "text": "It's so gossipy though. It's like almost"}, {"start": "00:02:55", "end": "00:03:00", "text": "not worth talking about. And I also"}, {"start": "00:02:57", "end": "00:03:02", "text": "don't know if it's true. Rosman Pike it"}, {"start": "00:03:00", "end": "00:03:03", "text": "plays uh Jane Bennett,"}, {"start": "00:03:02", "end": "00:03:05", "text": ">> her sister, right?"}, {"start": "00:03:03", "end": "00:03:06", "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, the most beautiful woman"}, {"start": "00:03:05", "end": "00:03:07", "text": "in the entire world."}, {"start": "00:03:06", "end": "00:03:09", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:03:07", "end": "00:03:12", "text": ">> She plays Jane Bennett."}, {"start": "00:03:09", "end": "00:03:15", "text": ">> Get this. Before they started filming"}, {"start": "00:03:12", "end": "00:03:17", "text": "this movie, she and Bingley, the actor"}, {"start": "00:03:15", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "that plays Bingley, who she marries in"}, {"start": "00:03:17", "end": "00:03:18", "text": "Pride and Prejudice."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:20", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:03:18", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> Who she marries in Pride and Prejudice."}, {"start": "00:03:20", "end": "00:03:23", "text": ">> Yeah. were engaged to one another."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:26", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:03:23", "end": "00:03:28", "text": ">> And apparently she made the save the"}, {"start": "00:03:26", "end": "00:03:30", "text": "date invitations and like didn't run him"}, {"start": "00:03:28", "end": "00:03:31", "text": "past him and it was like a cheeky"}, {"start": "00:03:30", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "picture of them in the tub or something."}, {"start": "00:03:31", "end": "00:03:33", "text": "Just like a silly picture."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:03:33", "end": "00:03:39", "text": ">> And he was so embarrassed that he called"}, {"start": "00:03:36", "end": "00:03:41", "text": "off the wedding like and ghosted her."}, {"start": "00:03:39", "end": "00:03:45", "text": ">> What?"}, {"start": "00:03:41", "end": "00:03:46", "text": ">> And then they never resolve and then"}, {"start": "00:03:45", "end": "00:03:49", "text": "they go to film Pride and Prejudice"}, {"start": "00:03:46", "end": "00:03:52", "text": "together as each other's love interests."}, {"start": "00:03:49", "end": "00:03:52", "text": ">> That's rough. That's crazy. That's"}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:54", "text": "actually nuts."}, {"start": "00:03:52", "end": "00:03:56", "text": ">> Is it true? I don't know. I just saw"}, {"start": "00:03:54", "end": "00:03:57", "text": "someone talking about it, but I'm like,"}, {"start": "00:03:56", "end": "00:03:58", "text": ">> what are you talking about?"}, {"start": "00:03:57", "end": "00:04:00", "text": ">> That is the craziest story in the world."}, {"start": "00:03:58", "end": "00:04:02", "text": "Also, breaking up with Roseman Pike."}, {"start": "00:04:00", "end": "00:04:04", "text": "What?"}, {"start": "00:04:02", "end": "00:04:04", "text": ">> Yeah, you the bag."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:05", "text": ">> I would."}, {"start": "00:04:04", "end": "00:04:07", "text": ">> Why?"}, {"start": "00:04:05", "end": "00:04:09", "text": ">> Because I got Because you"}, {"start": "00:04:07", "end": "00:04:11", "text": ">> I know,"}, {"start": "00:04:09", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> dude. Nice, Lily. I know."}, {"start": "00:04:11", "end": "00:04:12", "text": ">> Never break up with her."}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:14", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:04:12", "end": "00:04:16", "text": ">> I know you feel like you're behind on"}, {"start": "00:04:14", "end": "00:04:17", "text": "your knitting project, but you got to"}, {"start": "00:04:16", "end": "00:04:18", "text": "eat the mic."}, {"start": "00:04:17", "end": "00:04:20", "text": ">> I can move like this."}, {"start": "00:04:18", "end": "00:04:23", "text": ">> There you go. Speaking of knitting and"}, {"start": "00:04:20", "end": "00:04:26", "text": "being cold, shout out to Ashley and"}, {"start": "00:04:23", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "Lindsay who are literally building my"}, {"start": "00:04:26", "end": "00:04:29", "text": "t-shirt blanket right now."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:32", "text": ">> I did mess up."}, {"start": "00:04:29", "end": "00:04:34", "text": ">> Incredible pe. Guess what? Guess who's"}, {"start": "00:04:32", "end": "00:04:35", "text": "not going to mess up? Lindsay and"}, {"start": "00:04:34", "end": "00:04:36", "text": "Ashley."}, {"start": "00:04:35", "end": "00:04:38", "text": ">> Thank you so much to everyone who"}, {"start": "00:04:36", "end": "00:04:39", "text": "emailed me. I had like 60 people"}, {"start": "00:04:38", "end": "00:04:40", "text": ">> that's so cool"}, {"start": "00:04:39", "end": "00:04:42", "text": ">> email me about this t-shirt goal. And I"}, {"start": "00:04:40", "end": "00:04:44", "text": "I'm saving all y'all's emails and I"}, {"start": "00:04:42", "end": "00:04:46", "text": "appreciate everyone that reached out"}, {"start": "00:04:44", "end": "00:04:48", "text": "because I'm gonna have more t-shirts"}, {"start": "00:04:46", "end": "00:04:50", "text": "later on and I may reach out to you. Um,"}, {"start": "00:04:48", "end": "00:04:53", "text": "but I had to pick uh two people because"}, {"start": "00:04:50", "end": "00:04:55", "text": "I had so many shirts and um, man, it's"}, {"start": "00:04:53", "end": "00:04:58", "text": "gonna be awesome. I have a lady Ashley."}, {"start": "00:04:55", "end": "00:05:00", "text": "She lives in the bush in Alaska."}, {"start": "00:04:58", "end": "00:05:03", "text": ">> Got a story for her today."}, {"start": "00:05:00", "end": "00:05:04", "text": ">> Things are like get shipped by like"}, {"start": "00:05:03", "end": "00:05:05", "text": "planes up there."}, {"start": "00:05:04", "end": "00:05:07", "text": ">> That's so"}, {"start": "00:05:05", "end": "00:05:09", "text": ">> takes forever. It's going to be dope."}, {"start": "00:05:07", "end": "00:05:10", "text": "Can't wait. So, shout out to y'all. I"}, {"start": "00:05:09", "end": "00:05:13", "text": "love you all. Appreciate you. Also,"}, {"start": "00:05:10", "end": "00:05:16", "text": "shout out to everyone that comments on"}, {"start": "00:05:13", "end": "00:05:18", "text": "this video, this podcast episode,"}, {"start": "00:05:16", "end": "00:05:20", "text": "because we are choosing one winner a"}, {"start": "00:05:18", "end": "00:05:22", "text": "week, people to send some Ninja merch,"}, {"start": "00:05:20", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "too. And we got some new Ninja merch in"}, {"start": "00:05:22", "end": "00:05:24", "text": "the works, so you might get some new"}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:25", "text": "stuff."}, {"start": "00:05:24", "end": "00:05:27", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:05:25", "end": "00:05:30", "text": ">> Um, but yeah, if you comment, like,"}, {"start": "00:05:27", "end": "00:05:31", "text": "share, make sure you're subscribed. It"}, {"start": "00:05:30", "end": "00:05:33", "text": "helps out a ton."}, {"start": "00:05:31", "end": "00:05:35", "text": ">> And it's not like just a sticker. I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:33", "end": "00:05:37", "text": "sending this out personally, and I'm"}, {"start": "00:05:35", "end": "00:05:39", "text": "telling you, it could be a hat and a"}, {"start": "00:05:37", "end": "00:05:42", "text": "shirt and socks. It could be stickers."}, {"start": "00:05:39", "end": "00:05:43", "text": "It could be literally a whole mess of"}, {"start": "00:05:42", "end": "00:05:44", "text": "things. I'm getting messages from people"}, {"start": "00:05:43", "end": "00:05:46", "text": "back. They're like, \"Hey, I got my swag."}, {"start": "00:05:44", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "Thank you so much just for commenting."}, {"start": "00:05:46", "end": "00:05:48", "text": "This is great.\" So, what do they have to"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:49", "text": "comment?"}, {"start": "00:05:48", "end": "00:05:50", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:05:49", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> something nice."}, {"start": "00:05:50", "end": "00:05:52", "text": ">> Something nice about who?"}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:55", "text": ">> Uh, me."}, {"start": "00:05:52", "end": "00:05:56", "text": ">> You got spoiled. You We've been doubling"}, {"start": "00:05:55", "end": "00:05:57", "text": "up on Give it to Andrew."}, {"start": "00:05:56", "end": "00:05:58", "text": ">> Give it to Andrew. He just had Didn't"}, {"start": "00:05:57", "end": "00:06:00", "text": "you just have"}, {"start": "00:05:58", "end": "00:06:01", "text": ">> a baby? I didn't just have a kid."}, {"start": "00:06:00", "end": "00:06:03", "text": ">> OH MY GOSH."}, {"start": "00:06:01", "end": "00:06:06", "text": ">> He's healthy. Healthy baby boy. Dude,"}, {"start": "00:06:03", "end": "00:06:09", "text": ">> I can't wait. I can't wait till Noah's"}, {"start": "00:06:06", "end": "00:06:11", "text": "like 12 and we're still doing this."}, {"start": "00:06:09", "end": "00:06:13", "text": "Dude, he's doing good. He had a gnarly"}, {"start": "00:06:11", "end": "00:06:15", "text": "regression last night, though. We were"}, {"start": "00:06:13", "end": "00:06:17", "text": "getting four or five hours and then"}, {"start": "00:06:15", "end": "00:06:19", "text": "about two and a half, three hours in, he"}, {"start": "00:06:17", "end": "00:06:20", "text": "just lost it. Like Paige was like, \"What"}, {"start": "00:06:19", "end": "00:06:21", "text": "did you I was changing him.\" She's like,"}, {"start": "00:06:20", "end": "00:06:23", "text": "\"What did you do to him?\" I was like, \"I"}, {"start": "00:06:21", "end": "00:06:25", "text": "promise you nothing.\" Just screaming."}, {"start": "00:06:23", "end": "00:06:26", "text": ">> I just I pinched him. You have to pinch"}, {"start": "00:06:25", "end": "00:06:27", "text": "him before you change the diaper, right?"}, {"start": "00:06:26", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Oh, is that the hack?"}, {"start": "00:06:27", "end": "00:06:28", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:30", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:06:28", "end": "00:06:34", "text": ">> I will say, get him allergy tested. Our"}, {"start": "00:06:30", "end": "00:06:37", "text": "dear Zoe Love is severely allergic to"}, {"start": "00:06:34", "end": "00:06:38", "text": "eggs and she's getting an EpiPen for a"}, {"start": "00:06:37", "end": "00:06:40", "text": "baby."}, {"start": "00:06:38", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> That's scary."}, {"start": "00:06:40", "end": "00:06:41", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:42", "text": ">> Eggs."}, {"start": "00:06:41", "end": "00:06:43", "text": ">> Our dear Zoe."}, {"start": "00:06:42", "end": "00:06:44", "text": ">> Eggs are in so much."}, {"start": "00:06:43", "end": "00:06:45", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:06:44", "end": "00:06:47", "text": ">> That's wild."}, {"start": "00:06:45", "end": "00:06:49", "text": ">> And if Jamie eats eggs, then Zoe eats"}, {"start": "00:06:47", "end": "00:06:49", "text": "eggs."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:51", "text": ">> Man."}, {"start": "00:06:49", "end": "00:06:53", "text": ">> Yeah. He's been he's been good. He just"}, {"start": "00:06:51", "end": "00:06:53", "text": "he was just on one."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:06:53", "end": "00:06:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Uh"}, {"start": "00:06:55", "end": "00:06:59", "text": ">> being a baby. Excellent at all."}, {"start": "00:06:57", "end": "00:07:00", "text": ">> Nice."}, {"start": "00:06:59", "end": "00:07:01", "text": "Nice."}, {"start": "00:07:00", "end": "00:07:02", "text": ">> Sorry, I didn't mean to make a yolk"}, {"start": "00:07:01", "end": "00:07:04", "text": "right there."}, {"start": "00:07:02", "end": "00:07:05", "text": ">> I went I went to the I went to the"}, {"start": "00:07:04", "end": "00:07:06", "text": "doctor"}, {"start": "00:07:05", "end": "00:07:07", "text": ">> yesterday."}, {"start": "00:07:06", "end": "00:07:11", "text": ">> Cracked her up. What's up?"}, {"start": "00:07:07", "end": "00:07:12", "text": ">> Went to the doctor yesterday."}, {"start": "00:07:11", "end": "00:07:14", "text": ">> I can't stop."}, {"start": "00:07:12", "end": "00:07:15", "text": ">> This podcast is scrambled."}, {"start": "00:07:14", "end": "00:07:16", "text": ">> It's so good."}, {"start": "00:07:15", "end": "00:07:18", "text": ">> All right, everyone."}, {"start": "00:07:16", "end": "00:07:19", "text": ">> You went to the doctor yesterday."}, {"start": "00:07:18", "end": "00:07:20", "text": ">> I was trying to think of an egg bun."}, {"start": "00:07:19", "end": "00:07:22", "text": ">> Oh, god."}, {"start": "00:07:20", "end": "00:07:25", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:07:22", "end": "00:07:27", "text": "uh and I asked him, my doctor's so"}, {"start": "00:07:25", "end": "00:07:30", "text": "funny. He's just like so nonchalant."}, {"start": "00:07:27", "end": "00:07:32", "text": "He's like, \"Yeah, your cholesterol looks"}, {"start": "00:07:30", "end": "00:07:35", "text": "looking good.\" He's doing great. Any any"}, {"start": "00:07:32", "end": "00:07:37", "text": "questions? I'm like, \"I've never asked"}, {"start": "00:07:35", "end": "00:07:39", "text": "you,"}, {"start": "00:07:37", "end": "00:07:42", "text": "but I've been peeing so much ever since"}, {"start": "00:07:39", "end": "00:07:43", "text": "a child. I pee so much.\" Yeah. Like a"}, {"start": "00:07:42", "end": "00:07:44", "text": "crazy amount. He's like, \"Can you get up"}, {"start": "00:07:43", "end": "00:07:45", "text": "in the middle of the night to pee?\" I'm"}, {"start": "00:07:44", "end": "00:07:46", "text": "like, \"Every night?\""}, {"start": "00:07:45", "end": "00:07:47", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:07:46", "end": "00:07:48", "text": ">> He's like, \"Oh, yeah. Well, we can just"}, {"start": "00:07:47", "end": "00:07:50", "text": "write you a prescription. They can help"}, {"start": "00:07:48", "end": "00:07:51", "text": "that.\" Like, it's that it's been that"}, {"start": "00:07:50", "end": "00:07:52", "text": "easy."}, {"start": "00:07:51", "end": "00:07:54", "text": ">> What are you talking about? You've never"}, {"start": "00:07:52", "end": "00:07:55", "text": "talked to your doctor about this?"}, {"start": "00:07:54", "end": "00:07:57", "text": ">> No. I mean, because I went through the"}, {"start": "00:07:55", "end": "00:07:58", "text": "whole thing with the urologist way back"}, {"start": "00:07:57", "end": "00:07:59", "text": "in the day. They're like, \"Sorry, bud."}, {"start": "00:07:58", "end": "00:08:00", "text": "You're just going to pee a lot for the"}, {"start": "00:07:59", "end": "00:08:02", "text": "rest of your life.\""}, {"start": "00:08:00", "end": "00:08:04", "text": ">> That's the first step, isn't it?"}, {"start": "00:08:02", "end": "00:08:05", "text": ">> The first step. First step, SHA GBT."}, {"start": "00:08:04", "end": "00:08:06", "text": "Second step, doctor."}, {"start": "00:08:05", "end": "00:08:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:08:06", "end": "00:08:09", "text": ">> This is your own fault. You've been"}, {"start": "00:08:08", "end": "00:08:10", "text": "putting yourself through pain, bro."}, {"start": "00:08:09", "end": "00:08:12", "text": ">> I know. Well, we're going to see how it"}, {"start": "00:08:10", "end": "00:08:13", "text": "works. He's like, \"Side effects are dry"}, {"start": "00:08:12", "end": "00:08:14", "text": "mouth and constipation.\" I said, \"I'll"}, {"start": "00:08:13", "end": "00:08:17", "text": "take it.\""}, {"start": "00:08:14", "end": "00:08:17", "text": ">> Well, let's go. Sounds like two fixes,"}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:18", "text": "though."}, {"start": "00:08:17", "end": "00:08:20", "text": ">> We're going to do a little bit more"}, {"start": "00:08:18", "end": "00:08:21", "text": "Googling before we say yes."}, {"start": "00:08:20", "end": "00:08:24", "text": ">> So, you've had it ever since you've had"}, {"start": "00:08:21", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "a baby, correct? Yeah. Maybe it's"}, {"start": "00:08:24", "end": "00:08:27", "text": "stretched out urethra."}, {"start": "00:08:27", "end": "00:08:30", "text": ">> Uh, dude, we got guys, we got a lot of"}, {"start": "00:08:29", "end": "00:08:33", "text": "stuff to talk about today."}, {"start": "00:08:30", "end": "00:08:34", "text": ">> So much stuff teas."}, {"start": "00:08:33", "end": "00:08:35", "text": ">> Aliens,"}, {"start": "00:08:34", "end": "00:08:38", "text": ">> kamicazi dolphins,"}, {"start": "00:08:35", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> pastors talking about aliens."}, {"start": "00:08:38", "end": "00:08:40", "text": ">> Oo, I'm completely out of the loop on"}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:42", "text": "that. Yes."}, {"start": "00:08:40", "end": "00:08:44", "text": ">> Well, here's the thing, too, guys."}, {"start": "00:08:42", "end": "00:08:45", "text": ">> We're two weeks ahead. So, everything we"}, {"start": "00:08:44", "end": "00:08:46", "text": "talk about"}, {"start": "00:08:45", "end": "00:08:50", "text": ">> is right now."}, {"start": "00:08:46", "end": "00:08:52", "text": ">> Is right. It's happening right now."}, {"start": "00:08:50", "end": "00:08:54", "text": "So, we apologize and we know some of you"}, {"start": "00:08:52", "end": "00:08:57", "text": "don't like it, but it'll just be a"}, {"start": "00:08:54", "end": "00:08:59", "text": "little refresher. And it's like you're"}, {"start": "00:08:57", "end": "00:09:03", "text": "looking into a time machine and seeing"}, {"start": "00:08:59", "end": "00:09:04", "text": "us experience it now. And in two weeks,"}, {"start": "00:09:03", "end": "00:09:05", "text": "the world could be different."}, {"start": "00:09:04", "end": "00:09:07", "text": ">> You're looking at us now, you're like,"}, {"start": "00:09:05", "end": "00:09:09", "text": "you silly boys, you were completely off."}, {"start": "00:09:07", "end": "00:09:11", "text": ">> You get to be like a time traveler."}, {"start": "00:09:09", "end": "00:09:13", "text": ">> No, like I I think the problem is people"}, {"start": "00:09:11", "end": "00:09:15", "text": "are addicted to their phones and they're"}, {"start": "00:09:13", "end": "00:09:17", "text": "getting all of their information from a"}, {"start": "00:09:15", "end": "00:09:19", "text": "ton of different places. We're trying to"}, {"start": "00:09:17", "end": "00:09:22", "text": "provide a service so that you can come"}, {"start": "00:09:19", "end": "00:09:24", "text": "to us, get your news, and not be caught"}, {"start": "00:09:22", "end": "00:09:26", "text": "up in the hysteria, get it a couple"}, {"start": "00:09:24", "end": "00:09:27", "text": "weeks later, let it calm down,"}, {"start": "00:09:26", "end": "00:09:28", "text": ">> and it'll be"}, {"start": "00:09:27", "end": "00:09:30", "text": ">> digested. Digested."}, {"start": "00:09:28", "end": "00:09:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Wasn't those last two weeks pretty"}, {"start": "00:09:30", "end": "00:09:31", "text": "crazy, guys?"}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:09:31", "end": "00:09:33", "text": ">> Take a deep breath. You're with ninjas"}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:35", "text": "or butterflies."}, {"start": "00:09:33", "end": "00:09:36", "text": ">> All your friends are losing it. You feel"}, {"start": "00:09:35", "end": "00:09:38", "text": "fine."}, {"start": "00:09:36", "end": "00:09:42", "text": ">> Yeah. Speaking of losing it,"}, {"start": "00:09:38", "end": "00:09:42", "text": ">> you want to sh"}, {"start": "00:09:42", "end": "00:09:46", "text": ">> Hey, real quick."}, {"start": "00:09:43", "end": "00:09:48", "text": ">> Mime yell at Andy. Huh?"}, {"start": "00:09:46", "end": "00:09:51", "text": ">> MIME. YELLOW."}, {"start": "00:09:48", "end": "00:09:53", "text": ">> THAT'S not a mime. That's not a mime."}, {"start": "00:09:51", "end": "00:09:55", "text": "Mime. That would be because you have to"}, {"start": "00:09:53", "end": "00:09:57", "text": "really."}, {"start": "00:09:55", "end": "00:09:59", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. That's Andy content."}, {"start": "00:09:57", "end": "00:10:01", "text": ">> Show them"}, {"start": "00:09:59", "end": "00:10:02", "text": "silly."}, {"start": "00:10:01", "end": "00:10:05", "text": "All right. There we go."}, {"start": "00:10:02", "end": "00:10:07", "text": ">> Song time. Song time."}, {"start": "00:10:05", "end": "00:10:08", "text": ">> Why are you taking pictures?"}, {"start": "00:10:07", "end": "00:10:09", "text": ">> Why not?"}, {"start": "00:10:08", "end": "00:10:10", "text": ">> Social media."}, {"start": "00:10:09", "end": "00:10:12", "text": ">> Oh, you know,"}, {"start": "00:10:10", "end": "00:10:15", "text": ">> we're a threeman team here. We ain't got"}, {"start": "00:10:12", "end": "00:10:16", "text": "like some some interns in the back."}, {"start": "00:10:15", "end": "00:10:18", "text": ">> No, we're four men. She's going to take"}, {"start": "00:10:16", "end": "00:10:19", "text": "pictures during the song."}, {"start": "00:10:18", "end": "00:10:20", "text": ">> Cool. I can do that."}, {"start": "00:10:19", "end": "00:10:21", "text": ">> There you go."}, {"start": "00:10:20", "end": "00:10:22", "text": ">> Trust me."}, {"start": "00:10:21", "end": "00:10:24", "text": ">> Trust me."}, {"start": "00:10:22", "end": "00:10:27", "text": ">> Trust me."}, {"start": "00:10:24", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> Drops it immediately."}, {"start": "00:10:27", "end": "00:10:30", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:35", "text": ">> It's a long song."}, {"start": "00:10:33", "end": "00:10:36", "text": ">> When you're done with that, you can just"}, {"start": "00:10:35", "end": "00:10:40", "text": "set it in the corner."}, {"start": "00:10:36", "end": "00:10:40", "text": ">> Set it on the food."}, {"start": "00:10:42", "end": "00:10:49", "text": "It's 900 a.m. and we're doing our"}, {"start": "00:10:45", "end": "00:10:51", "text": "podcast. We're here to sing you a song,"}, {"start": "00:10:49", "end": "00:10:55", "text": "but something feels off. I'm not really"}, {"start": "00:10:51", "end": "00:10:57", "text": "sure, but singing right now feels wrong."}, {"start": "00:10:55", "end": "00:11:00", "text": "We need something good. And we need"}, {"start": "00:10:57", "end": "00:11:01", "text": "something better. Something that feels"}, {"start": "00:11:00", "end": "00:11:04", "text": "trueer."}, {"start": "00:11:01", "end": "00:11:06", "text": "So, I guess we'll just jump right into"}, {"start": "00:11:04", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "it. Today's question sent in by a"}, {"start": "00:11:06", "end": "00:11:09", "text": "viewer."}, {"start": "00:11:10", "end": "00:11:12", "text": "You have a seat."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:15", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:11:12", "end": "00:11:19", "text": ">> Why don't you go have a seat?"}, {"start": "00:11:15", "end": "00:11:19", "text": ">> Put down the camera."}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:22", "text": ">> What's going on?"}, {"start": "00:11:20", "end": "00:11:23", "text": ">> Today's question sent in by a viewer."}, {"start": "00:11:22", "end": "00:11:26", "text": "Gosh,"}, {"start": "00:11:23", "end": "00:11:28", "text": ">> Lily, is being famous hard?"}, {"start": "00:11:26", "end": "00:11:30", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:11:28", "end": "00:11:31", "text": "I can imagine for famous people it has"}, {"start": "00:11:30", "end": "00:11:33", "text": "it"}, {"start": "00:11:31", "end": "00:11:36", "text": ">> it's a yes or no. We know you know how"}, {"start": "00:11:33", "end": "00:11:37", "text": "this goes. Is being famous hard?"}, {"start": "00:11:36", "end": "00:11:39", "text": "for famous people. Yes."}, {"start": "00:11:37", "end": "00:11:41", "text": ">> Is famous or no?"}, {"start": "00:11:39", "end": "00:11:44", "text": ">> Is famous?"}, {"start": "00:11:41", "end": "00:11:45", "text": ">> Don't laugh, please."}, {"start": "00:11:44", "end": "00:11:46", "text": ">> Please stop."}, {"start": "00:11:45", "end": "00:11:48", "text": ">> Is being famous hard?"}, {"start": "00:11:46", "end": "00:11:49", "text": ">> Is being famous hard? Yes or no? Li."}, {"start": "00:11:48", "end": "00:11:51", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:11:49", "end": "00:11:53", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:11:51", "end": "00:11:56", "text": ">> Oh, money weird."}, {"start": "00:11:53", "end": "00:11:58", "text": ">> So, you think you're famous? Huh? Seems"}, {"start": "00:11:56", "end": "00:12:00", "text": "kind of pretentious"}, {"start": "00:11:58", "end": "00:12:02", "text": "that you would just say that right out"}, {"start": "00:12:00", "end": "00:12:04", "text": "the gate. Like just Yeah, it's hard."}, {"start": "00:12:02", "end": "00:12:06", "text": ">> I think you focus on your answer. What"}, {"start": "00:12:04", "end": "00:12:09", "text": "about you? Being famous is hard, Lil."}, {"start": "00:12:06", "end": "00:12:11", "text": "What's hard about it?"}, {"start": "00:12:09", "end": "00:12:12", "text": ">> For those who are famous,"}, {"start": "00:12:11", "end": "00:12:13", "text": ">> you just said"}, {"start": "00:12:12", "end": "00:12:14", "text": ">> you were famous."}, {"start": "00:12:13", "end": "00:12:16", "text": ">> We asked you the question. Is being"}, {"start": "00:12:14", "end": "00:12:17", "text": "famous hard? You said yes."}, {"start": "00:12:16", "end": "00:12:19", "text": ">> You didn't hesitate."}, {"start": "00:12:17", "end": "00:12:21", "text": ">> There's no hesitation."}, {"start": "00:12:19", "end": "00:12:22", "text": ">> You didn't say um You didn't try to"}, {"start": "00:12:21", "end": "00:12:23", "text": "weasle your way out of the question. You"}, {"start": "00:12:22", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "said yes."}, {"start": "00:12:23", "end": "00:12:25", "text": ">> Do you really think of yourself that"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:25", "text": "way?"}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:27", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:12:25", "end": "00:12:29", "text": ">> Oh, look at her putting her shades on."}, {"start": "00:12:27", "end": "00:12:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Miss Miss Famous, you got to hide"}, {"start": "00:12:29", "end": "00:12:32", "text": "hide from the paparazzi, I guess."}, {"start": "00:12:31", "end": "00:12:34", "text": ">> Miss Hollywood over here."}, {"start": "00:12:32", "end": "00:12:34", "text": ">> Yeah. What kind of person wears glasses"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:36", "text": "inside?"}, {"start": "00:12:34", "end": "00:12:38", "text": ">> As soon as she walks in here, she puts"}, {"start": "00:12:36", "end": "00:12:39", "text": "on a jacket that's not even hers. We"}, {"start": "00:12:38", "end": "00:12:41", "text": "told her, \"Please don't wear that.\" She"}, {"start": "00:12:39", "end": "00:12:42", "text": "grabs it anyway. Says, \"This is mine. I"}, {"start": "00:12:41", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "don't care what you say.\" Puts on her"}, {"start": "00:12:42", "end": "00:12:43", "text": "glasses."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:45", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "00:12:43", "end": "00:12:47", "text": ">> Steals Andrew's camera."}, {"start": "00:12:45", "end": "00:12:48", "text": ">> She told I told her it was too loud for"}, {"start": "00:12:47", "end": "00:12:50", "text": "the podcast and she was like, \"It'll be"}, {"start": "00:12:48", "end": "00:12:51", "text": "fine. Fix it and post.\""}, {"start": "00:12:50", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> That's sick."}, {"start": "00:12:51", "end": "00:12:53", "text": ">> She said, \"That's not my job. That's not"}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:54", "text": "my prop.\""}, {"start": "00:12:53", "end": "00:12:55", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:12:54", "end": "00:12:56", "text": ">> And I'm pretty sure there's a racial"}, {"start": "00:12:55", "end": "00:12:58", "text": "slur in there."}, {"start": "00:12:56", "end": "00:12:58", "text": ">> Well, I couldn't tell if that's what she"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:01", "text": "was doing, but"}, {"start": "00:12:58", "end": "00:13:04", "text": ">> our goal is to not be famous. Our goal"}, {"start": "00:13:01", "end": "00:13:05", "text": "is to just have fun. Spread the love of"}, {"start": "00:13:04", "end": "00:13:06", "text": "Jesus."}, {"start": "00:13:05", "end": "00:13:09", "text": ">> Make him famous."}, {"start": "00:13:06", "end": "00:13:10", "text": ">> Make him famous. Jesus Christ increase"}, {"start": "00:13:09", "end": "00:13:11", "text": "decrease."}, {"start": "00:13:10", "end": "00:13:12", "text": ">> Yes, I know."}, {"start": "00:13:11", "end": "00:13:12", "text": ">> As long as you're up there with them,"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:14", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:13:12", "end": "00:13:17", "text": ">> Why is it so hard to be famous?"}, {"start": "00:13:14", "end": "00:13:19", "text": ">> I didn't I wasn't relating it to myself."}, {"start": "00:13:17", "end": "00:13:20", "text": ">> You said yes. We asked you, is it hard"}, {"start": "00:13:19", "end": "00:13:21", "text": "being famous? You said yes. That's"}, {"start": "00:13:20", "end": "00:13:25", "text": "exactly what you did."}, {"start": "00:13:21", "end": "00:13:27", "text": ">> I'm being empathetic to famous people."}, {"start": "00:13:25", "end": "00:13:28", "text": ">> That's it."}, {"start": "00:13:27", "end": "00:13:29", "text": ">> I don't know. That is it."}, {"start": "00:13:28", "end": "00:13:30", "text": ">> Would you ever say that you're"}, {"start": "00:13:29", "end": "00:13:31", "text": "empathetic to yourself?"}, {"start": "00:13:30", "end": "00:13:33", "text": "Yeah, I got"}, {"start": "00:13:31", "end": "00:13:34", "text": ">> Okay, so then you just put right there."}, {"start": "00:13:33", "end": "00:13:36", "text": "That's what exactly what you just said."}, {"start": "00:13:34", "end": "00:13:38", "text": ">> All right, guys. Well, I guess you heard"}, {"start": "00:13:36", "end": "00:13:39", "text": "her here first. I don't know what's"}, {"start": "00:13:38", "end": "00:13:40", "text": "happening."}, {"start": "00:13:39", "end": "00:13:42", "text": ">> Is too good for us. Too good for you."}, {"start": "00:13:40", "end": "00:13:43", "text": ">> She I'm pretty sure she's going to go"}, {"start": "00:13:42", "end": "00:13:44", "text": "start her own podcast."}, {"start": "00:13:43", "end": "00:13:46", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "00:13:44", "end": "00:13:48", "text": ">> that's what she's The rumors are saying."}, {"start": "00:13:46", "end": "00:13:50", "text": ">> Well, guys, I guess the next couple"}, {"start": "00:13:48", "end": "00:13:51", "text": "episodes you'll know if she's going to"}, {"start": "00:13:50", "end": "00:13:53", "text": "be a part of this podcast or not."}, {"start": "00:13:51", "end": "00:13:56", "text": ">> I guess so."}, {"start": "00:13:53", "end": "00:13:56", "text": ">> Welcome to the show."}, {"start": "00:13:58", "end": "00:14:01", "text": ">> Did I say ninja?"}, {"start": "00:14:00", "end": "00:14:04", "text": "I meant butterfly."}, {"start": "00:14:01", "end": "00:14:06", "text": ">> The butterfly is no doubt one of the"}, {"start": "00:14:04", "end": "00:14:08", "text": "most"}, {"start": "00:14:06", "end": "00:14:12", "text": "empty your mind."}, {"start": "00:14:08", "end": "00:14:12", "text": ">> You were martial arts."}, {"start": "00:14:16", "end": "00:14:19", "text": ">> The funny thing is I might not be a part"}, {"start": "00:14:17", "end": "00:14:20", "text": "of the next few episodes."}, {"start": "00:14:19", "end": "00:14:21", "text": ">> That's the joke, Lil."}, {"start": "00:14:20", "end": "00:14:22", "text": ">> I see. I see."}, {"start": "00:14:21", "end": "00:14:24", "text": ">> And then we should pretend we should"}, {"start": "00:14:22", "end": "00:14:27", "text": "make another podcast."}, {"start": "00:14:24", "end": "00:14:29", "text": ">> Oh, that's so funny."}, {"start": "00:14:27", "end": "00:14:30", "text": "Maybe one day I would do another"}, {"start": "00:14:29", "end": "00:14:31", "text": "podcast, but I would do it about mom"}, {"start": "00:14:30", "end": "00:14:32", "text": "stuff and lady stuff."}, {"start": "00:14:31", "end": "00:14:36", "text": ">> Ew."}, {"start": "00:14:32", "end": "00:14:37", "text": ">> And gossip stuff and Ew, gross. And"}, {"start": "00:14:36", "end": "00:14:38", "text": "movies, gossip."}, {"start": "00:14:37", "end": "00:14:40", "text": ">> You guys need to do another show, too."}, {"start": "00:14:38", "end": "00:14:41", "text": "For real. I've been on Josh about making"}, {"start": "00:14:40", "end": "00:14:42", "text": "a kids show."}, {"start": "00:14:41", "end": "00:14:44", "text": ">> We'll do it."}, {"start": "00:14:42", "end": "00:14:45", "text": ">> Would you guys like that if we did a"}, {"start": "00:14:44", "end": "00:14:47", "text": "kids show?"}, {"start": "00:14:45", "end": "00:14:50", "text": ">> A lot of people, we used to do a thing"}, {"start": "00:14:47", "end": "00:14:54", "text": "for uh it was grow. It was a Grow"}, {"start": "00:14:50", "end": "00:14:56", "text": "curriculum and I did uh did my my Carl"}, {"start": "00:14:54", "end": "00:14:58", "text": "character. A lot of kids loved it. So,"}, {"start": "00:14:56", "end": "00:15:00", "text": "we're thinking of doing like a"}, {"start": "00:14:58", "end": "00:15:02", "text": ">> like a kids Carl podcast. It' be like a"}, {"start": "00:15:00", "end": "00:15:04", "text": "15 minute episode thing."}, {"start": "00:15:02", "end": "00:15:08", "text": ">> I literally did the Bible um Bible class"}, {"start": "00:15:04", "end": "00:15:11", "text": "last week at my girls's co-op and they"}, {"start": "00:15:08", "end": "00:15:13", "text": "and they watch Grow TV and they freaked"}, {"start": "00:15:11", "end": "00:15:14", "text": "out when you called. They freaked out"}, {"start": "00:15:13", "end": "00:15:15", "text": "when I showed up."}, {"start": "00:15:14", "end": "00:15:17", "text": ">> They're very very silent."}, {"start": "00:15:15", "end": "00:15:18", "text": ">> I mean, yeah. I mean, that's what"}, {"start": "00:15:17", "end": "00:15:19", "text": "happens most of the time. They were"}, {"start": "00:15:18", "end": "00:15:20", "text": "excited though. They asked a ton of"}, {"start": "00:15:19", "end": "00:15:22", "text": "questions."}, {"start": "00:15:20", "end": "00:15:22", "text": ">> Um and"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:26", "text": ">> what happened?"}, {"start": "00:15:22", "end": "00:15:28", "text": ">> I don't know. He just left. It's okay."}, {"start": "00:15:26", "end": "00:15:30", "text": "Well, he'll come back. He always comes"}, {"start": "00:15:28", "end": "00:15:31", "text": "back, right? What are you looking at"}, {"start": "00:15:30", "end": "00:15:32", "text": "your phone for?"}, {"start": "00:15:31", "end": "00:15:34", "text": ">> I got a text. I wondered if it was him"}, {"start": "00:15:32", "end": "00:15:36", "text": "saying, \"Emergency, emergency.\""}, {"start": "00:15:34", "end": "00:15:39", "text": ">> I doubt he would text you"}, {"start": "00:15:36", "end": "00:15:40", "text": ">> in our Ninja Clan chat, not just me."}, {"start": "00:15:39", "end": "00:15:41", "text": ">> There's no way he would text you. You're"}, {"start": "00:15:40", "end": "00:15:44", "text": "too famous."}, {"start": "00:15:41", "end": "00:15:47", "text": ">> Talking about this kid show, I foresee"}, {"start": "00:15:44", "end": "00:15:50", "text": "it being very silly. But we could do"}, {"start": "00:15:47", "end": "00:15:52", "text": "something like a Bible verse. Maybe we"}, {"start": "00:15:50", "end": "00:15:54", "text": "talk to an actual teacher like your mom"}, {"start": "00:15:52", "end": "00:15:55", "text": "or something and get ideas about what to"}, {"start": "00:15:54", "end": "00:15:58", "text": "say on the show"}, {"start": "00:15:55", "end": "00:16:00", "text": ">> and then maybe we do like a periodic"}, {"start": "00:15:58", "end": "00:16:02", "text": "table segment"}, {"start": "00:16:00", "end": "00:16:03", "text": ">> where you guys where you guys go through"}, {"start": "00:16:02", "end": "00:16:05", "text": "all the elements of the periodic table"}, {"start": "00:16:03", "end": "00:16:06", "text": "each episode you cover one"}, {"start": "00:16:05", "end": "00:16:07", "text": ">> but they're all wrong."}, {"start": "00:16:06", "end": "00:16:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:16:07", "end": "00:16:10", "text": ">> And but there's props and so it's like"}, {"start": "00:16:08", "end": "00:16:11", "text": "here's uranium and it's like Josh's"}, {"start": "00:16:10", "end": "00:16:13", "text": "hands melt off"}, {"start": "00:16:11", "end": "00:16:15", "text": ">> and it like turn into a skeleton"}, {"start": "00:16:13", "end": "00:16:17", "text": ">> and it's just green slime or something."}, {"start": "00:16:15", "end": "00:16:19", "text": "Just very silly."}, {"start": "00:16:17", "end": "00:16:21", "text": ">> Yeah. When you touch uranium, you see"}, {"start": "00:16:19", "end": "00:16:22", "text": "the future."}, {"start": "00:16:21", "end": "00:16:24", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "00:16:22", "end": "00:16:24", "text": ">> wait, would you let your kids consume"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:26", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "00:16:24", "end": "00:16:28", "text": ">> Yeah. I don't know what happened in the"}, {"start": "00:16:26", "end": "00:16:29", "text": "parking lot. I got a message that my"}, {"start": "00:16:28", "end": "00:16:31", "text": "alarm was going off. Went out there,"}, {"start": "00:16:29", "end": "00:16:32", "text": "turned mine off, and someone else's was"}, {"start": "00:16:31", "end": "00:16:34", "text": "going off, too."}, {"start": "00:16:32", "end": "00:16:35", "text": ">> So,"}, {"start": "00:16:34", "end": "00:16:37", "text": "earthquake."}, {"start": "00:16:35", "end": "00:16:38", "text": ">> Speaking of earthquakes,"}, {"start": "00:16:37", "end": "00:16:41", "text": ">> all the earthquakes"}, {"start": "00:16:38", "end": "00:16:44", "text": ">> there was, did you see? I mean, the a"}, {"start": "00:16:41", "end": "00:16:48", "text": "couple weeks ago there was like four or"}, {"start": "00:16:44", "end": "00:16:49", "text": "seven earthquakes all around Area 51."}, {"start": "00:16:48", "end": "00:16:51", "text": ">> Really? No, I didn't see that."}, {"start": "00:16:49", "end": "00:16:53", "text": ">> That's interesting."}, {"start": "00:16:51", "end": "00:16:54", "text": ">> They got to be doing stuff underground"}, {"start": "00:16:53", "end": "00:16:55", "text": "for"}, {"start": "00:16:54", "end": "00:16:57", "text": ">> sure. For sure."}, {"start": "00:16:55", "end": "00:17:00", "text": ">> So, our neighbor just had fiber optic"}, {"start": "00:16:57", "end": "00:17:01", "text": "put in and uh Paige said, I mean, you"}, {"start": "00:17:00", "end": "00:17:03", "text": "know, they're just digging like a little"}, {"start": "00:17:01", "end": "00:17:05", "text": "tunnel, you know, with that boring"}, {"start": "00:17:03", "end": "00:17:07", "text": "machine, but Paige said the whole house"}, {"start": "00:17:05", "end": "00:17:09", "text": "was just like violent. Like she was"}, {"start": "00:17:07", "end": "00:17:11", "text": "like, \"It sounds like a car is driving"}, {"start": "00:17:09", "end": "00:17:12", "text": "under our house right now.\" But you"}, {"start": "00:17:11", "end": "00:17:14", "text": "think about, you know, we're talking a"}, {"start": "00:17:12", "end": "00:17:15", "text": ">> build an underground city."}, {"start": "00:17:14", "end": "00:17:16", "text": ">> Yeah. The difference. Yeah. It's going"}, {"start": "00:17:15", "end": "00:17:18", "text": "to shake everything up."}, {"start": "00:17:16", "end": "00:17:19", "text": ">> Dude, your house is turning 100 years"}, {"start": "00:17:18", "end": "00:17:19", "text": "old next year."}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:20", "text": ">> I know."}, {"start": "00:17:19", "end": "00:17:21", "text": ">> You should throw a party."}, {"start": "00:17:20", "end": "00:17:22", "text": ">> Centennial."}, {"start": "00:17:21", "end": "00:17:24", "text": ">> I should."}, {"start": "00:17:22", "end": "00:17:26", "text": ">> Dude, what if we did like the Bilbo"}, {"start": "00:17:24", "end": "00:17:27", "text": "thing like actually in the field?"}, {"start": "00:17:26", "end": "00:17:29", "text": ">> Oh, that would be so fun."}, {"start": "00:17:27", "end": "00:17:31", "text": ">> The Shire party."}, {"start": "00:17:29", "end": "00:17:32", "text": ">> Show up in character."}, {"start": "00:17:31", "end": "00:17:32", "text": ">> Who you going to be?"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": ">> Me?"}, {"start": "00:17:32", "end": "00:17:36", "text": ">> Mhm. Um"}, {"start": "00:17:36", "end": "00:17:39", "text": "um"}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:41", "text": "Gandalf."}, {"start": "00:17:39", "end": "00:17:41", "text": ">> Yeah, of course."}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:44", "text": ">> Chucks."}, {"start": "00:17:41", "end": "00:17:44", "text": ">> Yeah, I'll be an elf. I'll be a female"}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:46", "text": "elf."}, {"start": "00:17:44", "end": "00:17:47", "text": ">> Yeah, I"}, {"start": "00:17:46", "end": "00:17:49", "text": "dibs."}, {"start": "00:17:47", "end": "00:17:51", "text": ">> Too bad you're literally said it first."}, {"start": "00:17:49", "end": "00:17:53", "text": ">> Aragon. Yeah, my eyes are going to close"}, {"start": "00:17:51", "end": "00:17:55", "text": "together like"}, {"start": "00:17:53", "end": "00:17:56", "text": ">> I don't She says that and I don't"}, {"start": "00:17:55", "end": "00:17:56", "text": "understand what"}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:58", "text": ">> Aragon."}, {"start": "00:17:56", "end": "00:17:59", "text": ">> Vgo Morrison. Morgus."}, {"start": "00:17:58", "end": "00:18:00", "text": ">> Aragorn."}, {"start": "00:17:59", "end": "00:18:03", "text": ">> Aragon."}, {"start": "00:18:00", "end": "00:18:05", "text": ">> Vgo Morgan or Moren. I don't know."}, {"start": "00:18:03", "end": "00:18:05", "text": ">> He's very handsome, but he's um closed"}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:06", "text": "together."}, {"start": "00:18:05", "end": "00:18:07", "text": ">> His eyes are closed together. I don't"}, {"start": "00:18:06", "end": "00:18:09", "text": "agree with that."}, {"start": "00:18:07", "end": "00:18:10", "text": ">> I've thought in my whole life."}, {"start": "00:18:09", "end": "00:18:11", "text": ">> Who in your family looks like Sid the"}, {"start": "00:18:10", "end": "00:18:13", "text": "sloth"}, {"start": "00:18:11", "end": "00:18:14", "text": ">> to make you think that that's normal?"}, {"start": "00:18:13", "end": "00:18:15", "text": ">> Wait,"}, {"start": "00:18:14", "end": "00:18:15", "text": ">> he looks pretty normal."}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:17", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:18:15", "end": "00:18:19", "text": ">> he looks pretty normal. Not saying that"}, {"start": "00:18:17", "end": "00:18:19", "text": "people aren't normal that have eyes"}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:22", "text": "close together."}, {"start": "00:18:19", "end": "00:18:23", "text": ">> I'm not saying he's ugly."}, {"start": "00:18:22", "end": "00:18:25", "text": ">> That's not what I'm saying."}, {"start": "00:18:23", "end": "00:18:26", "text": ">> I'm saying are just very close together."}, {"start": "00:18:25", "end": "00:18:28", "text": ">> I think his eyes are normal, but I think"}, {"start": "00:18:26", "end": "00:18:30", "text": "he's just got a lot of space on the"}, {"start": "00:18:28", "end": "00:18:32", "text": "sides that make it look like they're"}, {"start": "00:18:30", "end": "00:18:33", "text": "closer. He got them cheekbones."}, {"start": "00:18:32", "end": "00:18:35", "text": ">> A lot of people have like the square"}, {"start": "00:18:33", "end": "00:18:37", "text": "head where the eyes are like the edge of"}, {"start": "00:18:35", "end": "00:18:38", "text": "their face. I think he just has more"}, {"start": "00:18:37", "end": "00:18:40", "text": "room."}, {"start": "00:18:38", "end": "00:18:41", "text": ">> It also doesn't matter at all."}, {"start": "00:18:40", "end": "00:18:42", "text": ">> Apparently it does. Apparently it does."}, {"start": "00:18:41", "end": "00:18:45", "text": ">> Why did you bring it up?"}, {"start": "00:18:42", "end": "00:18:47", "text": ">> Was it Mary or Pippen that he kissed in"}, {"start": "00:18:45", "end": "00:18:48", "text": "one of the uh like the celebratory"}, {"start": "00:18:47", "end": "00:18:51", "text": "scenes, but it wasn't scripted. Have you"}, {"start": "00:18:48", "end": "00:18:52", "text": "seen that clip? No. I'll pull it. Okay."}, {"start": "00:18:51", "end": "00:18:53", "text": "Remind me to go back to that. I'll pull"}, {"start": "00:18:52", "end": "00:18:54", "text": "it up while we're talking."}, {"start": "00:18:53", "end": "00:18:56", "text": ">> Imagine if you were like when you first"}, {"start": "00:18:54", "end": "00:18:57", "text": "met Lily or like on your wedding day,"}, {"start": "00:18:56", "end": "00:18:59", "text": "you were like, \"By the way, your eyes"}, {"start": "00:18:57", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "are like really close together.\" But"}, {"start": "00:18:59", "end": "00:19:00", "text": "you're like, \"But it doesn't matter at"}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:01", "text": "all.\""}, {"start": "00:19:00", "end": "00:19:03", "text": ">> He said some crazy."}, {"start": "00:19:01", "end": "00:19:03", "text": ">> That's a crazy thing to say."}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:04", "text": ">> Me?"}, {"start": "00:19:03", "end": "00:19:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:04", "end": "00:19:07", "text": ">> Say it."}, {"start": "00:19:05", "end": "00:19:08", "text": ">> I'm not."}, {"start": "00:19:07", "end": "00:19:10", "text": ">> You can't do that. You got to say"}, {"start": "00:19:08", "end": "00:19:10", "text": "something. You got to give us something."}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:12", "text": ">> What example?"}, {"start": "00:19:10", "end": "00:19:13", "text": ">> Come on."}, {"start": "00:19:12", "end": "00:19:15", "text": ">> I can't say it."}, {"start": "00:19:13", "end": "00:19:15", "text": ">> He wants to know. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:18", "text": ">> Later."}, {"start": "00:19:15", "end": "00:19:20", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:18", "end": "00:19:21", "text": ">> I'm afraid."}, {"start": "00:19:20", "end": "00:19:23", "text": ">> Whenever I bring it up to you, you're"}, {"start": "00:19:21", "end": "00:19:24", "text": "always like, I did not say that. And I'm"}, {"start": "00:19:23", "end": "00:19:25", "text": "like, you don't think I would remember"}, {"start": "00:19:24", "end": "00:19:26", "text": "you saying that?"}, {"start": "00:19:25", "end": "00:19:28", "text": ">> You might have misremembered."}, {"start": "00:19:26", "end": "00:19:29", "text": ">> I did not remember a lot of things."}, {"start": "00:19:28", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "Is there a possibility you could"}, {"start": "00:19:29", "end": "00:19:31", "text": "misremember something?"}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:32", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:19:31", "end": "00:19:33", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "00:19:32", "end": "00:19:35", "text": ">> Not in this circumstance."}, {"start": "00:19:33", "end": "00:19:36", "text": ">> How do you How can you be fully"}, {"start": "00:19:35", "end": "00:19:38", "text": "confident in anything?"}, {"start": "00:19:36", "end": "00:19:40", "text": ">> When we are fully When we are new"}, {"start": "00:19:38", "end": "00:19:40", "text": "dating, you're you're retaining"}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:42", "text": "everything."}, {"start": "00:19:40", "end": "00:19:42", "text": ">> You dated nude. What is that? New"}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:44", "text": "dating."}, {"start": "00:19:42", "end": "00:19:44", "text": ">> Dating. New. You're d You're new at"}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:46", "text": "dating."}, {"start": "00:19:44", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"start": "00:19:46", "end": "00:19:49", "text": ">> Speaking of new dating."}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:51", "text": ">> New dating."}, {"start": "00:19:49", "end": "00:19:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:19:51", "end": "00:19:55", "text": ">> Let's get right into it."}, {"start": "00:19:52", "end": "00:19:58", "text": ">> What are we getting into, pal?"}, {"start": "00:19:55", "end": "00:20:00", "text": "recently,"}, {"start": "00:19:58", "end": "00:20:03", "text": "and when this comes out, there might be"}, {"start": "00:20:00", "end": "00:20:05", "text": "some weird stuff happening, but recently"}, {"start": "00:20:03", "end": "00:20:08", "text": "when we're filming this,"}, {"start": "00:20:05", "end": "00:20:09", "text": "there's apparently a group of pastors."}, {"start": "00:20:08", "end": "00:20:10", "text": ">> Oh, boy."}, {"start": "00:20:09", "end": "00:20:12", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:20:10", "end": "00:20:13", "text": ">> Famous pastors, which I don't know any"}, {"start": "00:20:12", "end": "00:20:14", "text": "of them truly, but"}, {"start": "00:20:13", "end": "00:20:17", "text": ">> yeah. Do you have the names?"}, {"start": "00:20:14", "end": "00:20:19", "text": ">> Um, one of them is"}, {"start": "00:20:17", "end": "00:20:20", "text": ">> This explains the Blurry Creatures post"}, {"start": "00:20:19", "end": "00:20:21", "text": "that I saw."}, {"start": "00:20:20", "end": "00:20:23", "text": ">> One of them is Perry Stone."}, {"start": "00:20:21", "end": "00:20:25", "text": ">> Okay. Okay. Which apparently he's like a"}, {"start": "00:20:23", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "Yeah, he's a These are all like TV"}, {"start": "00:20:25", "end": "00:20:26", "text": "pastors."}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:29", "text": ">> Got it."}, {"start": "00:20:26", "end": "00:20:30", "text": ">> This guy's like super end times"}, {"start": "00:20:29", "end": "00:20:37", "text": ">> very stone."}, {"start": "00:20:30", "end": "00:20:38", "text": ">> Uh another guy, his name is uh W Joseph"}, {"start": "00:20:37", "end": "00:20:39", "text": "Z."}, {"start": "00:20:38", "end": "00:20:41", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:20:39", "end": "00:20:45", "text": "And then I don't know who the third guy"}, {"start": "00:20:41", "end": "00:20:47", "text": "is, but apparently these pastors"}, {"start": "00:20:45", "end": "00:20:50", "text": "were called by some government officials"}, {"start": "00:20:47", "end": "00:20:53", "text": "in the intelligence agencies. One of"}, {"start": "00:20:50", "end": "00:20:56", "text": "them being a senator, Senator"}, {"start": "00:20:53", "end": "00:20:58", "text": "uh or sorry, Congressman uh Eric Burlson"}, {"start": "00:20:56", "end": "00:21:01", "text": "Burlson."}, {"start": "00:20:58", "end": "00:21:03", "text": "And they were called and said there"}, {"start": "00:21:01", "end": "00:21:05", "text": "needs to be a meeting."}, {"start": "00:21:03", "end": "00:21:08", "text": ">> And so they flew to a location. I think"}, {"start": "00:21:05", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "they flew to like Colorado or something."}, {"start": "00:21:08", "end": "00:21:09", "text": "They said, \"Don't bring your cell"}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:11", "text": "phones.\""}, {"start": "00:21:09", "end": "00:21:13", "text": ">> Oh gosh. Typical."}, {"start": "00:21:11", "end": "00:21:15", "text": ">> We have a a meeting that we need to talk"}, {"start": "00:21:13", "end": "00:21:17", "text": "with you guys. This whole thing. Let me"}, {"start": "00:21:15", "end": "00:21:19", "text": "just start off. It's weird."}, {"start": "00:21:17", "end": "00:21:20", "text": ">> It's fishy."}, {"start": "00:21:19", "end": "00:21:22", "text": ">> It stinks of fishiness."}, {"start": "00:21:20", "end": "00:21:24", "text": ">> Like in what way? Like I don't know. We"}, {"start": "00:21:22", "end": "00:21:25", "text": "We still haven't given us any"}, {"start": "00:21:24", "end": "00:21:26", "text": "information."}, {"start": "00:21:25", "end": "00:21:28", "text": "Like what are we talking about?"}, {"start": "00:21:26", "end": "00:21:31", "text": ">> Because I'm just so I don't want to"}, {"start": "00:21:28", "end": "00:21:34", "text": "present it like guys this isah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:21:31", "end": "00:21:35", "text": ">> I'm like this is weird. Yeah. Like"}, {"start": "00:21:34", "end": "00:21:36", "text": ">> anyways, these a bunch of pastors came"}, {"start": "00:21:35", "end": "00:21:39", "text": "together."}, {"start": "00:21:36", "end": "00:21:42", "text": ">> Okay. And they were sat in a room. This"}, {"start": "00:21:39", "end": "00:21:44", "text": "congressman came out or a video chat or"}, {"start": "00:21:42", "end": "00:21:45", "text": "something. And he's like, \"Is everyone"}, {"start": "00:21:44", "end": "00:21:46", "text": "sitting down?\""}, {"start": "00:21:45", "end": "00:21:47", "text": ">> Oh gosh."}, {"start": "00:21:46", "end": "00:21:50", "text": ">> He said, \"Are all the pastors in the"}, {"start": "00:21:47", "end": "00:21:51", "text": "room?\""}, {"start": "00:21:50", "end": "00:21:52", "text": ">> Yes, congressman, we're all here."}, {"start": "00:21:51", "end": "00:21:56", "text": ">> Yes, sir."}, {"start": "00:21:52", "end": "00:21:59", "text": ">> Um, and he said, \"The disclosure that is"}, {"start": "00:21:56", "end": "00:22:02", "text": "about to come out with these aliens,"}, {"start": "00:21:59", "end": "00:22:04", "text": ">> they are going to confirm non-human"}, {"start": "00:22:02", "end": "00:22:08", "text": "intelligence."}, {"start": "00:22:04", "end": "00:22:10", "text": "They're going to basically present it"}, {"start": "00:22:08", "end": "00:22:13", "text": "that there's an alien race that has been"}, {"start": "00:22:10", "end": "00:22:14", "text": "living here a long time and in fact they"}, {"start": "00:22:13", "end": "00:22:16", "text": "are our creators."}, {"start": "00:22:14", "end": "00:22:18", "text": ">> Oh gosh."}, {"start": "00:22:16", "end": "00:22:21", "text": ">> The kind of knocky kind of stuff."}, {"start": "00:22:18", "end": "00:22:22", "text": ">> No, like reptilian type of things."}, {"start": "00:22:21", "end": "00:22:23", "text": ">> Oh, okay."}, {"start": "00:22:22", "end": "00:22:25", "text": ">> They're are creators. They created the"}, {"start": "00:22:23", "end": "00:22:26", "text": "Bible. They created Jesus Christ."}, {"start": "00:22:25", "end": "00:22:27", "text": ">> Oh, no."}, {"start": "00:22:26", "end": "00:22:29", "text": ">> Yikes."}, {"start": "00:22:27", "end": "00:22:32", "text": ">> Your goal or not your goal. What I'm"}, {"start": "00:22:29", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "telling you to do is you need to prepare"}, {"start": "00:22:32", "end": "00:22:35", "text": "your congregations"}, {"start": "00:22:35", "end": "00:22:41", "text": "for this disclosure."}, {"start": "00:22:38", "end": "00:22:43", "text": ">> How any pointers on how?"}, {"start": "00:22:41", "end": "00:22:46", "text": ">> Basically saying like I think they're"}, {"start": "00:22:43", "end": "00:22:47", "text": "hinting at that this is a deception."}, {"start": "00:22:46", "end": "00:22:50", "text": ">> Oh, I see"}, {"start": "00:22:47", "end": "00:22:52", "text": ">> kind of thing. Um and so there's three"}, {"start": "00:22:50", "end": "00:22:53", "text": "pastors that I got videos of them"}, {"start": "00:22:52", "end": "00:22:54", "text": "talking about it."}, {"start": "00:22:53", "end": "00:22:56", "text": ">> I would love to hear Oh, I've only seen"}, {"start": "00:22:54", "end": "00:22:58", "text": "the one."}, {"start": "00:22:56", "end": "00:22:59", "text": ">> Which the one of the guys heads close or"}, {"start": "00:22:58", "end": "00:23:00", "text": "the guy with the background?"}, {"start": "00:22:59", "end": "00:23:02", "text": ">> Background."}, {"start": "00:23:00", "end": "00:23:04", "text": ">> Yeah, that's um the peak guy or whatever"}, {"start": "00:23:02", "end": "00:23:05", "text": "his name is. Uh Perry Stone."}, {"start": "00:23:04", "end": "00:23:07", "text": ">> Thank you for describing that in a way"}, {"start": "00:23:05", "end": "00:23:08", "text": "where you knew there's no way I"}, {"start": "00:23:07", "end": "00:23:11", "text": "remembered names."}, {"start": "00:23:08", "end": "00:23:12", "text": ">> I don't remember names either. Um let me"}, {"start": "00:23:11", "end": "00:23:13", "text": "see that. Let me see that."}, {"start": "00:23:12", "end": "00:23:14", "text": ">> It's all plugged in. Hang on."}, {"start": "00:23:13", "end": "00:23:16", "text": ">> It is plugged in. I plugged it in."}, {"start": "00:23:14", "end": "00:23:18", "text": ">> Wait. So tell me just like like really"}, {"start": "00:23:16", "end": "00:23:21", "text": "nitpick what you said."}, {"start": "00:23:18", "end": "00:23:23", "text": ">> Yeah. So this guy's like, \"Prepare your"}, {"start": "00:23:21", "end": "00:23:24", "text": "congregation to understand that this is"}, {"start": "00:23:23", "end": "00:23:26", "text": "going to be a deception.\" Or he's like,"}, {"start": "00:23:24", "end": "00:23:28", "text": "\"Prepare your congregation to learn news"}, {"start": "00:23:26", "end": "00:23:29", "text": "that like their whole entire faith is"}, {"start": "00:23:28", "end": "00:23:31", "text": "being dismantled.\""}, {"start": "00:23:29", "end": "00:23:33", "text": ">> The deception, I think. Okay. Because a"}, {"start": "00:23:31", "end": "00:23:35", "text": "lot of these they're saying that the the"}, {"start": "00:23:33", "end": "00:23:38", "text": "people in the intelligence, which it's I"}, {"start": "00:23:35", "end": "00:23:40", "text": "it seems to be part of that that group."}, {"start": "00:23:38", "end": "00:23:44", "text": "I for the life of me, I can't remember"}, {"start": "00:23:40", "end": "00:23:45", "text": "their name. Um Tim Alber Tim Alberino"}, {"start": "00:23:44", "end": "00:23:46", "text": "talks a lot about them."}, {"start": "00:23:45", "end": "00:23:48", "text": ">> The 12 or something."}, {"start": "00:23:46", "end": "00:23:49", "text": ">> No, it's not the 12. It's um"}, {"start": "00:23:48", "end": "00:23:49", "text": ">> describe it to me. I'll I'll do"}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:52", "text": "something."}, {"start": "00:23:49", "end": "00:23:53", "text": ">> It's basically like um an organization"}, {"start": "00:23:52", "end": "00:23:54", "text": "within the government."}, {"start": "00:23:53", "end": "00:23:57", "text": ">> The Clintons?"}, {"start": "00:23:54", "end": "00:24:00", "text": ">> No. No. That they're Christians."}, {"start": "00:23:57", "end": "00:24:03", "text": "Um it's like a group of Christian"}, {"start": "00:24:00", "end": "00:24:04", "text": "politicians that don't want the alien"}, {"start": "00:24:03", "end": "00:24:06", "text": "disclosure to come out."}, {"start": "00:24:04", "end": "00:24:06", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:08", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:24:06", "end": "00:24:10", "text": ">> this is wild"}, {"start": "00:24:08", "end": "00:24:10", "text": ">> because um Tim Burchett"}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:10", "end": "00:24:14", "text": ">> Yeah. He's like when he was brought this"}, {"start": "00:24:13", "end": "00:24:16", "text": "news, they're like, \"We can't we can't"}, {"start": "00:24:14", "end": "00:24:18", "text": "disclose this stuff because it's going"}, {"start": "00:24:16", "end": "00:24:20", "text": "to ruin people's faith.\""}, {"start": "00:24:18", "end": "00:24:21", "text": ">> And he's like, \"No, it won't.\""}, {"start": "00:24:20", "end": "00:24:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:24:21", "end": "00:24:25", "text": ">> And um weird stuff. But here's one of"}, {"start": "00:24:24", "end": "00:24:28", "text": "them. And hopefully this doesn't get"}, {"start": "00:24:25", "end": "00:24:30", "text": "flagged, Andrew, if it does"}, {"start": "00:24:28", "end": "00:24:32", "text": ">> because it has music under it."}, {"start": "00:24:30", "end": "00:24:34", "text": ">> So we'll play this and I'll play the"}, {"start": "00:24:32", "end": "00:24:35", "text": "other ones, too. But just listen to this"}, {"start": "00:24:34", "end": "00:24:36", "text": "one first. We might have to cut this one"}, {"start": "00:24:35", "end": "00:24:38", "text": "out or mute."}, {"start": "00:24:36", "end": "00:24:39", "text": ">> We We just add music on top of it."}, {"start": "00:24:38", "end": "00:24:41", "text": ">> Yeah. only a handful of pastors and"}, {"start": "00:24:39", "end": "00:24:42", "text": "invited to come to a private meeting"}, {"start": "00:24:41", "end": "00:24:44", "text": "with a group of men who are connected"}, {"start": "00:24:42", "end": "00:24:46", "text": "with the intelligence world that are"}, {"start": "00:24:44", "end": "00:24:49", "text": "believers but are still have very high"}, {"start": "00:24:46", "end": "00:24:51", "text": "security clearance. These are legit true"}, {"start": "00:24:49", "end": "00:24:53", "text": "men of God that are still connected to"}, {"start": "00:24:51", "end": "00:24:54", "text": "Washington and even this current"}, {"start": "00:24:53", "end": "00:24:57", "text": "administration and all branches of"}, {"start": "00:24:54", "end": "00:24:59", "text": "military. And they literally told us we"}, {"start": "00:24:57", "end": "00:25:01", "text": "had a sitting congressman, a very"}, {"start": "00:24:59", "end": "00:25:03", "text": "well-known congressman from Missouri. He"}, {"start": "00:25:01", "end": "00:25:05", "text": "was he called into that meeting as well"}, {"start": "00:25:03", "end": "00:25:08", "text": "that that was just for pastors. And this"}, {"start": "00:25:05", "end": "00:25:09", "text": "is what he said on speakerphone. this"}, {"start": "00:25:08", "end": "00:25:12", "text": "sitting powerful member of Congress"}, {"start": "00:25:09", "end": "00:25:13", "text": "said, \"Are the pastors listening to me?\""}, {"start": "00:25:12", "end": "00:25:15", "text": "I'm getting chills right now because"}, {"start": "00:25:13", "end": "00:25:17", "text": "this happened to me. He said, \"Are the"}, {"start": "00:25:15", "end": "00:25:19", "text": "pastors in the room listening to me?\""}, {"start": "00:25:17", "end": "00:25:22", "text": "And I said, \"Yes, sir. We are here.\" And"}, {"start": "00:25:19", "end": "00:25:26", "text": "he said, \"Listen to me. Go and tell the"}, {"start": "00:25:22", "end": "00:25:28", "text": "church they are not ready for what is"}, {"start": "00:25:26", "end": "00:25:31", "text": "coming. The narrative that is coming,"}, {"start": "00:25:28", "end": "00:25:34", "text": "what they are going to say is going to"}, {"start": "00:25:31", "end": "00:25:36", "text": "be like nothing you can even imagine."}, {"start": "00:25:34", "end": "00:25:38", "text": "They are preparing to tell us that they"}, {"start": "00:25:36", "end": "00:25:41", "text": "are from another dimension. That they"}, {"start": "00:25:38", "end": "00:25:43", "text": "are our creator and that these beings,"}, {"start": "00:25:41", "end": "00:25:45", "text": "these aliens, whatever you want to call"}, {"start": "00:25:43", "end": "00:25:47", "text": "them, they were the ones that seated us"}, {"start": "00:25:45", "end": "00:25:48", "text": "here. There is no such thing as God."}, {"start": "00:25:47", "end": "00:25:50", "text": "Jesus was invented by them. The Bible"}, {"start": "00:25:48", "end": "00:25:53", "text": "was invented by them. And begin to just"}, {"start": "00:25:50", "end": "00:25:54", "text": "say, \"Listen, prepare the people for"}, {"start": "00:25:53", "end": "00:25:58", "text": "what is coming because they're not"}, {"start": "00:25:54", "end": "00:26:00", "text": "ready.\" But he loved us so much, he made"}, {"start": "00:25:58", "end": "00:26:02", "text": "sure that he told us exactly the"}, {"start": "00:26:00", "end": "00:26:04", "text": "blueprint to study. He said, \"Study the"}, {"start": "00:26:02", "end": "00:26:06", "text": "days of Noah.\" And if you can understand"}, {"start": "00:26:04", "end": "00:26:07", "text": "how Noah responded, that's how you're"}, {"start": "00:26:06", "end": "00:26:09", "text": "going to have to respond. And I believe"}, {"start": "00:26:07", "end": "00:26:10", "text": "what God is doing in the body of Christ"}, {"start": "00:26:09", "end": "00:26:12", "text": "right now is getting us ready because"}, {"start": "00:26:10", "end": "00:26:14", "text": "the world is going to have a lot of"}, {"start": "00:26:12", "end": "00:26:16", "text": "questions. The question for you is, are"}, {"start": "00:26:14", "end": "00:26:18", "text": "you going to be able to answer it?"}, {"start": "00:26:16", "end": "00:26:22", "text": ">> Can you understand the weirdness of"}, {"start": "00:26:18", "end": "00:26:24", "text": "this? Like all this, why? Why?"}, {"start": "00:26:22", "end": "00:26:28", "text": "This just seems too obvious."}, {"start": "00:26:24", "end": "00:26:30", "text": ">> Yeah, it seems like it seems way too"}, {"start": "00:26:28", "end": "00:26:34", "text": "obvious. Like you don't this kind of"}, {"start": "00:26:30", "end": "00:26:35", "text": "stuff. I don't feel like I could be so"}, {"start": "00:26:34", "end": "00:26:36", "text": "wrong, but I feel like if there's going"}, {"start": "00:26:35", "end": "00:26:38", "text": "to be a deception, it's a true"}, {"start": "00:26:36", "end": "00:26:40", "text": "deception."}, {"start": "00:26:38", "end": "00:26:42", "text": ">> And it's not like, guys, there's a"}, {"start": "00:26:40", "end": "00:26:44", "text": "deception about to happen, so get ready"}, {"start": "00:26:42", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "cuz then now this is viral stuff. It's"}, {"start": "00:26:44", "end": "00:26:45", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:47", "text": ">> that. Exactly."}, {"start": "00:26:45", "end": "00:26:49", "text": ">> But what if it's a deception?"}, {"start": "00:26:47", "end": "00:26:51", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. Like these guys"}, {"start": "00:26:49", "end": "00:26:53", "text": "this is the one-two punch"}, {"start": "00:26:51", "end": "00:26:55", "text": ">> because why would the government bring"}, {"start": "00:26:53", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "in these pastors knowing that they're"}, {"start": "00:26:55", "end": "00:26:56", "text": "going to go out?"}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:26:57", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:26:56", "end": "00:27:00", "text": ">> There's something weird about it."}, {"start": "00:26:57", "end": "00:27:02", "text": "Discernment doesn't exist in the church"}, {"start": "00:27:00", "end": "00:27:05", "text": "like it should. The fact that certain"}, {"start": "00:27:02", "end": "00:27:07", "text": "politicians can say, \"I am of the"}, {"start": "00:27:05", "end": "00:27:10", "text": "faith,\" and then act the way they do,"}, {"start": "00:27:07", "end": "00:27:12", "text": "and be embraced by a large percentage of"}, {"start": "00:27:10", "end": "00:27:13", "text": "Christian culture. Just kind of even and"}, {"start": "00:27:12", "end": "00:27:16", "text": "not I'm not just talking boomers and"}, {"start": "00:27:13", "end": "00:27:18", "text": "Facebook. Like there's Gen Z, Gen Alpha,"}, {"start": "00:27:16", "end": "00:27:20", "text": "and millennials too with some of like"}, {"start": "00:27:18", "end": "00:27:22", "text": "musicians and stuff like stuff we can"}, {"start": "00:27:20", "end": "00:27:23", "text": "clearly see is fake, but like they're"}, {"start": "00:27:22", "end": "00:27:25", "text": "not catching on. So when you do things"}, {"start": "00:27:23", "end": "00:27:26", "text": "like this, you get pastors together who"}, {"start": "00:27:25", "end": "00:27:28", "text": "are making claims. And I don't know,"}, {"start": "00:27:26", "end": "00:27:30", "text": "this isn't an accusation against them,"}, {"start": "00:27:28", "end": "00:27:31", "text": "but it's it's like let's just have a"}, {"start": "00:27:30", "end": "00:27:33", "text": "little discretion, a little discernment,"}, {"start": "00:27:31", "end": "00:27:34", "text": "and kind of like filter through some of"}, {"start": "00:27:33", "end": "00:27:36", "text": "this stuff cuz it doesn't feel right."}, {"start": "00:27:34", "end": "00:27:38", "text": ">> No. Also, I want to say that these"}, {"start": "00:27:36", "end": "00:27:41", "text": "people in the government, whoever they"}, {"start": "00:27:38", "end": "00:27:44", "text": "are, this congressman, if they are like"}, {"start": "00:27:41", "end": "00:27:48", "text": "true followers of Christ and they knew"}, {"start": "00:27:44", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "of this horrendous evil deception that's"}, {"start": "00:27:48", "end": "00:27:50", "text": "about to happen, say everything then."}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:52", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:50", "end": "00:27:53", "text": ">> You don't be like, \"Guys, something's"}, {"start": "00:27:52", "end": "00:27:53", "text": "about to come out.\""}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:55", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:53", "end": "00:27:56", "text": ">> So, just get ready. No, you be like,"}, {"start": "00:27:55", "end": "00:27:58", "text": "\"This is what's coming out."}, {"start": "00:27:56", "end": "00:27:58", "text": ">> This is what they're going to do.\""}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:27:58", "end": "00:28:02", "text": ">> Because the kingdom of God matters way"}, {"start": "00:28:00", "end": "00:28:03", "text": "more than me going to prison."}, {"start": "00:28:02", "end": "00:28:03", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:04", "text": ">> You know,"}, {"start": "00:28:03", "end": "00:28:05", "text": ">> absolutely."}, {"start": "00:28:04", "end": "00:28:07", "text": ">> And the qualifications that put them in"}, {"start": "00:28:05", "end": "00:28:09", "text": "the room to these are the pastors that"}, {"start": "00:28:07", "end": "00:28:10", "text": "need to be worn to be ready to prepare"}, {"start": "00:28:09", "end": "00:28:11", "text": "their congregations. If they have the"}, {"start": "00:28:10", "end": "00:28:14", "text": "qualifications to get in the room, they"}, {"start": "00:28:11", "end": "00:28:15", "text": "should already be like theologically and"}, {"start": "00:28:14", "end": "00:28:17", "text": "biblically equipped to handle something"}, {"start": "00:28:15", "end": "00:28:19", "text": "that comes out as discerning pastors."}, {"start": "00:28:17", "end": "00:28:21", "text": "Like, you don't need to be warned"}, {"start": "00:28:19", "end": "00:28:23", "text": "deception's coming. When deception"}, {"start": "00:28:21", "end": "00:28:25", "text": "happens, as a shepherd, you should be"}, {"start": "00:28:23", "end": "00:28:27", "text": "like, \"Hey, there's a wolf.\" I don't"}, {"start": "00:28:25", "end": "00:28:29", "text": "need, you know, someone from the wolf"}, {"start": "00:28:27", "end": "00:28:30", "text": "pack to come tell me the wolves are"}, {"start": "00:28:29", "end": "00:28:31", "text": "coming. I can see it."}, {"start": "00:28:30", "end": "00:28:32", "text": ">> Yeah. And I don't want to bash these"}, {"start": "00:28:31", "end": "00:28:33", "text": "pastors cuz I don't know who they are."}, {"start": "00:28:32", "end": "00:28:34", "text": "And"}, {"start": "00:28:33", "end": "00:28:36", "text": ">> that that's my question. Why these"}, {"start": "00:28:34", "end": "00:28:38", "text": "pastors, right?"}, {"start": "00:28:36", "end": "00:28:39", "text": ">> Like what's the I mean, obviously they"}, {"start": "00:28:38", "end": "00:28:41", "text": "have a following. They've, you know,"}, {"start": "00:28:39", "end": "00:28:42", "text": "they teach and people probably love"}, {"start": "00:28:41", "end": "00:28:44", "text": "them. I don't know anything about them,"}, {"start": "00:28:42", "end": "00:28:47", "text": "so I can't say anything about them. But"}, {"start": "00:28:44", "end": "00:28:48", "text": "it's what's their audience? What's their"}, {"start": "00:28:47", "end": "00:28:50", "text": "demographic?"}, {"start": "00:28:48", "end": "00:28:53", "text": "It seems like they're being set up. And"}, {"start": "00:28:50", "end": "00:28:54", "text": "this I say that because this other"}, {"start": "00:28:53", "end": "00:28:56", "text": "pastor guy"}, {"start": "00:28:54", "end": "00:28:57", "text": ">> who's he has like a talk show or podcast"}, {"start": "00:28:56", "end": "00:28:59", "text": "or something."}, {"start": "00:28:57", "end": "00:29:04", "text": ">> He said they gathered the pastors. They"}, {"start": "00:28:59", "end": "00:29:07", "text": "flew out from Tennessee to um I think it"}, {"start": "00:29:04", "end": "00:29:10", "text": "was Utah. Let me see. They flew out from"}, {"start": "00:29:07", "end": "00:29:15", "text": "Boom. Tennessee to Colorado Springs."}, {"start": "00:29:10", "end": "00:29:16", "text": "Um, and what was weird is that on their"}, {"start": "00:29:15", "end": "00:29:19", "text": "it was either on their flight there or"}, {"start": "00:29:16", "end": "00:29:21", "text": "back, all these pastors,"}, {"start": "00:29:19", "end": "00:29:23", "text": "they just so happened to say, \"Look out"}, {"start": "00:29:21", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "the window."}, {"start": "00:29:23", "end": "00:29:25", "text": "There's six UFOs.\""}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:26", "text": ">> No."}, {"start": "00:29:25", "end": "00:29:30", "text": ">> Shut the front door."}, {"start": "00:29:26", "end": "00:29:31", "text": ">> And so he shows the video of these UFOs"}, {"start": "00:29:30", "end": "00:29:33", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:29:31", "end": "00:29:35", "text": ">> these orbs"}, {"start": "00:29:33", "end": "00:29:35", "text": ">> being all wacky outside his window. I'm"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:37", "text": "like,"}, {"start": "00:29:35", "end": "00:29:40", "text": ">> that's really suspect. This seems like,"}, {"start": "00:29:37", "end": "00:29:43", "text": "okay, if you're just going to play, if"}, {"start": "00:29:40", "end": "00:29:46", "text": "you're going to"}, {"start": "00:29:43", "end": "00:29:47", "text": "convince these guys of anything,"}, {"start": "00:29:46", "end": "00:29:48", "text": ">> make it all secretive. Don't bring your"}, {"start": "00:29:47", "end": "00:29:48", "text": "phone."}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:48", "end": "00:29:51", "text": ">> Everyone get on this plane. I We got an"}, {"start": "00:29:50", "end": "00:29:52", "text": "important meeting to talk about."}, {"start": "00:29:51", "end": "00:29:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:29:52", "end": "00:29:55", "text": ">> Also, here's these UFOs."}, {"start": "00:29:53", "end": "00:29:58", "text": ">> We talk about this this disclosure"}, {"start": "00:29:55", "end": "00:29:59", "text": "coming out. This great deception."}, {"start": "00:29:58", "end": "00:30:01", "text": "Prepare your congregations. All right,"}, {"start": "00:29:59", "end": "00:30:04", "text": "guys. You go home and just prepare your"}, {"start": "00:30:01", "end": "00:30:06", "text": "congregations on your flight back. What?"}, {"start": "00:30:04", "end": "00:30:07", "text": "There's six UFOs outside the window."}, {"start": "00:30:06", "end": "00:30:08", "text": ">> Yeah, that's weird."}, {"start": "00:30:07", "end": "00:30:10", "text": ">> That's that for them it's like that's"}, {"start": "00:30:08", "end": "00:30:12", "text": "sealing the deal. Like if I was just"}, {"start": "00:30:10", "end": "00:30:14", "text": "like caught up in it like because it"}, {"start": "00:30:12", "end": "00:30:16", "text": "seems like it was a fastmoving thing and"}, {"start": "00:30:14", "end": "00:30:17", "text": "then you were told this stuff by a"}, {"start": "00:30:16", "end": "00:30:19", "text": "congressman and these people in the"}, {"start": "00:30:17", "end": "00:30:20", "text": "intelligence agency"}, {"start": "00:30:19", "end": "00:30:21", "text": ">> flying back home and I see UFOs, I'd be"}, {"start": "00:30:20", "end": "00:30:22", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:30:21", "end": "00:30:23", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:30:22", "end": "00:30:24", "text": ">> Like you're really that's like a nail in"}, {"start": "00:30:23", "end": "00:30:25", "text": "the coffin."}, {"start": "00:30:24", "end": "00:30:27", "text": ">> Totally. And you look at that guy's"}, {"start": "00:30:25", "end": "00:30:30", "text": "reaction and I'm not once again don't"}, {"start": "00:30:27", "end": "00:30:32", "text": "know him so I'm not judging him but"}, {"start": "00:30:30", "end": "00:30:33", "text": ">> he emphasized how many times that this"}, {"start": "00:30:32", "end": "00:30:36", "text": "dude was a powerful dude in the the pol"}, {"start": "00:30:33", "end": "00:30:37", "text": "the world of politics right like he made"}, {"start": "00:30:36", "end": "00:30:40", "text": "sure that was an emphasis"}, {"start": "00:30:37", "end": "00:30:42", "text": ">> if I'm trusting anybody"}, {"start": "00:30:40", "end": "00:30:45", "text": "on that list is a politician that's"}, {"start": "00:30:42", "end": "00:30:46", "text": "powerful like so it's like I mean you"}, {"start": "00:30:45", "end": "00:30:48", "text": "have to take that with a grain of salt"}, {"start": "00:30:46", "end": "00:30:50", "text": "you could say you're a Christian but if"}, {"start": "00:30:48", "end": "00:30:53", "text": "you're a politician a successful"}, {"start": "00:30:50", "end": "00:30:54", "text": "powerful one I don't I mean I obviously"}, {"start": "00:30:53", "end": "00:30:56", "text": "I'm not in that world but I don't know"}, {"start": "00:30:54", "end": "00:30:58", "text": "where the fruit is"}, {"start": "00:30:56", "end": "00:31:00", "text": ">> before we judge them too hard too. Like"}, {"start": "00:30:58", "end": "00:31:02", "text": "if I got if I was pastoring and got"}, {"start": "00:31:00", "end": "00:31:04", "text": "invited and like felt like it was off,"}, {"start": "00:31:02", "end": "00:31:06", "text": "it's like know your enemy. Like I'd"}, {"start": "00:31:04", "end": "00:31:08", "text": "still go. So just cuz someone"}, {"start": "00:31:06", "end": "00:31:10", "text": ">> just cuz someone like if if it all does"}, {"start": "00:31:08", "end": "00:31:12", "text": "start looking fishy and you're like dang"}, {"start": "00:31:10", "end": "00:31:14", "text": "this dude I respected went doesn't mean"}, {"start": "00:31:12", "end": "00:31:16", "text": "that dude is bought in. The dude might"}, {"start": "00:31:14", "end": "00:31:18", "text": "just be sussing something out. You know,"}, {"start": "00:31:16", "end": "00:31:20", "text": ">> I'm not judging these passers at all. I"}, {"start": "00:31:18", "end": "00:31:23", "text": "really think they're potentially part of"}, {"start": "00:31:20", "end": "00:31:24", "text": "a a another layer of deception. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:31:23", "end": "00:31:27", "text": "it's never that simple."}, {"start": "00:31:24", "end": "00:31:30", "text": ">> But what in my brain, what how does that"}, {"start": "00:31:27", "end": "00:31:33", "text": "even work? Like what is why would they"}, {"start": "00:31:30", "end": "00:31:34", "text": "tell them this? Like is there another"}, {"start": "00:31:33", "end": "00:31:37", "text": "layer? Like are they going to be like is"}, {"start": "00:31:34", "end": "00:31:39", "text": "it the layer of that this is going to"}, {"start": "00:31:37", "end": "00:31:40", "text": "happen and they're going to fake like"}, {"start": "00:31:39", "end": "00:31:42", "text": "Jesus coming back?"}, {"start": "00:31:40", "end": "00:31:44", "text": ">> And so then the people are like these"}, {"start": "00:31:42", "end": "00:31:45", "text": "are Oh, that's what it was. Who was it?"}, {"start": "00:31:44", "end": "00:31:48", "text": "Was it"}, {"start": "00:31:45", "end": "00:31:51", "text": ">> not Albert? There's somebody on"}, {"start": "00:31:48", "end": "00:31:55", "text": "blurry. I believe he was from Egypt or"}, {"start": "00:31:51", "end": "00:31:56", "text": "something. He talked about he believes"}, {"start": "00:31:55", "end": "00:31:59", "text": "that there's going they're going to"}, {"start": "00:31:56", "end": "00:32:00", "text": "basically stage"}, {"start": "00:31:59", "end": "00:32:03", "text": "like an alien invasion. So there's going"}, {"start": "00:32:00", "end": "00:32:06", "text": "to be bad guys, the bad aliens,"}, {"start": "00:32:03", "end": "00:32:08", "text": ">> and then they're going to stage the good"}, {"start": "00:32:06", "end": "00:32:10", "text": "aliens, which would be part of like"}, {"start": "00:32:08", "end": "00:32:11", "text": "Jesus and stuff. So could that be part"}, {"start": "00:32:10", "end": "00:32:13", "text": "of the deception? Like"}, {"start": "00:32:11", "end": "00:32:15", "text": ">> the bad aliens are the Democrats, right?"}, {"start": "00:32:13", "end": "00:32:15", "text": ">> They will they will register as"}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:18", "text": "Democrats."}, {"start": "00:32:15", "end": "00:32:18", "text": ">> Any liberal? Yeah. Yeah. Um"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:20", "text": ">> um"}, {"start": "00:32:18", "end": "00:32:23", "text": ">> No, but could it be like because they"}, {"start": "00:32:20", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "could they stage a"}, {"start": "00:32:23", "end": "00:32:25", "text": "My brain is like running right now"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:26", "text": "because"}, {"start": "00:32:25", "end": "00:32:28", "text": ">> I love this subject."}, {"start": "00:32:26", "end": "00:32:30", "text": ">> Well, because it reminds me of our"}, {"start": "00:32:28", "end": "00:32:31", "text": "interview that we had with Bart."}, {"start": "00:32:30", "end": "00:32:33", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:32:31", "end": "00:32:36", "text": ">> Coolest perspective, coolest"}, {"start": "00:32:33", "end": "00:32:37", "text": "conspiracy of his connection with these"}, {"start": "00:32:36", "end": "00:32:38", "text": "scientists going missing."}, {"start": "00:32:37", "end": "00:32:39", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:32:38", "end": "00:32:41", "text": ">> And he's like, \"What about the Malaysian"}, {"start": "00:32:39", "end": "00:32:42", "text": "flight that went missing years ago?\" Or"}, {"start": "00:32:41", "end": "00:32:44", "text": "like, \"What about it?\" He's like,"}, {"start": "00:32:42", "end": "00:32:45", "text": "\"There's what was it 20some scientists"}, {"start": "00:32:44", "end": "00:32:49", "text": "on it?\""}, {"start": "00:32:45", "end": "00:32:51", "text": ">> Yeah. And he said these scientists were"}, {"start": "00:32:49", "end": "00:32:52", "text": "worldrenowned for their holographic"}, {"start": "00:32:51", "end": "00:32:54", "text": "technology."}, {"start": "00:32:52", "end": "00:32:56", "text": ">> Yeah. Blue Book."}, {"start": "00:32:54", "end": "00:32:58", "text": ">> Yeah. Like a connection with Project"}, {"start": "00:32:56", "end": "00:33:00", "text": "Blue Book. Something like that. He's"}, {"start": "00:32:58", "end": "00:33:01", "text": "like he believes that the planes were"}, {"start": "00:33:00", "end": "00:33:02", "text": "swapped out."}, {"start": "00:33:01", "end": "00:33:04", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:33:02", "end": "00:33:05", "text": ">> And that those scientists were brought"}, {"start": "00:33:04", "end": "00:33:05", "text": "back to the US."}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:07", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:33:05", "end": "00:33:10", "text": ">> And then you have all these So you got"}, {"start": "00:33:07", "end": "00:33:13", "text": "these holographic dudes and then you got"}, {"start": "00:33:10", "end": "00:33:14", "text": "these guys that are known in"}, {"start": "00:33:13", "end": "00:33:16", "text": ">> propulsion."}, {"start": "00:33:14", "end": "00:33:18", "text": "anti-gravity."}, {"start": "00:33:16", "end": "00:33:18", "text": ">> You could create a UFO."}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:20", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:33:18", "end": "00:33:22", "text": ">> And make it appear"}, {"start": "00:33:20", "end": "00:33:24", "text": ">> and make it appear."}, {"start": "00:33:22", "end": "00:33:26", "text": "And it's like"}, {"start": "00:33:24", "end": "00:33:28", "text": "it seems like it's setting the stage for"}, {"start": "00:33:26", "end": "00:33:30", "text": ">> And for fairness to him, he didn't say"}, {"start": "00:33:28", "end": "00:33:32", "text": "bring them back to the US. He just said"}, {"start": "00:33:30", "end": "00:33:33", "text": "they're collected and somewhere working"}, {"start": "00:33:32", "end": "00:33:34", "text": "on something."}, {"start": "00:33:33", "end": "00:33:35", "text": ">> I think he did say the US. Did he"}, {"start": "00:33:34", "end": "00:33:36", "text": "really?"}, {"start": "00:33:35", "end": "00:33:37", "text": ">> Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure. Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:33:36", "end": "00:33:38", "text": "that's what he was insinuating and I"}, {"start": "00:33:37", "end": "00:33:39", "text": "think he said"}, {"start": "00:33:38", "end": "00:33:42", "text": ">> I'm going to edit out my comment then."}, {"start": "00:33:39", "end": "00:33:44", "text": ">> Yeah. No, you're fine. Um Yeah, dude. I"}, {"start": "00:33:42", "end": "00:33:47", "text": "love this. This is great. And I and it's"}, {"start": "00:33:44", "end": "00:33:49", "text": "one of those things where if it is"}, {"start": "00:33:47", "end": "00:33:51", "text": "legit, you know, if it is a guy, I get"}, {"start": "00:33:49", "end": "00:33:52", "text": "the guy like saying, \"Hey, I can't say"}, {"start": "00:33:51", "end": "00:33:53", "text": "everything.\""}, {"start": "00:33:52", "end": "00:33:56", "text": ">> Yeah, me too. I"}, {"start": "00:33:53", "end": "00:33:58", "text": ">> But like he just be ready. And I'm like"}, {"start": "00:33:56", "end": "00:34:01", "text": "I I I appreciate that. Whatever. But I"}, {"start": "00:33:58", "end": "00:34:03", "text": "also like may and my mind goes he"}, {"start": "00:34:01", "end": "00:34:05", "text": "probably didn't disclose certain things"}, {"start": "00:34:03", "end": "00:34:06", "text": "because he doesn't know how it's"}, {"start": "00:34:05", "end": "00:34:08", "text": "actually going to come out cuz if he"}, {"start": "00:34:06", "end": "00:34:10", "text": "releases too much or thing that didn't"}, {"start": "00:34:08", "end": "00:34:12", "text": "happen like then it's like okay well now"}, {"start": "00:34:10", "end": "00:34:14", "text": "we can't even trust you. But once again,"}, {"start": "00:34:12", "end": "00:34:17", "text": "a politician is telling you this and you"}, {"start": "00:34:14", "end": "00:34:19", "text": "can't take it as truth, as gospel."}, {"start": "00:34:17", "end": "00:34:21", "text": ">> Why are they the gatekeepers of"}, {"start": "00:34:19", "end": "00:34:21", "text": ">> That's why I want to know why they got"}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:23", "text": "hit."}, {"start": "00:34:21", "end": "00:34:25", "text": ">> What's their target audience? Are they"}, {"start": "00:34:23", "end": "00:34:26", "text": "sold out? Are they I mean, I don't know"}, {"start": "00:34:25", "end": "00:34:28", "text": "if this guy's Republican, Democrat,"}, {"start": "00:34:26", "end": "00:34:30", "text": "whatever. If it's like a a party thing"}, {"start": "00:34:28", "end": "00:34:32", "text": "and so they're all sold out and they"}, {"start": "00:34:30", "end": "00:34:34", "text": "trust this guy and it's like I don't"}, {"start": "00:34:32", "end": "00:34:35", "text": "know. It's weird, man. It's very very"}, {"start": "00:34:34", "end": "00:34:36", "text": "strange."}, {"start": "00:34:35", "end": "00:34:38", "text": ">> But yeah, I was saying like why are"}, {"start": "00:34:36", "end": "00:34:39", "text": "politicians the gatekeepers of"}, {"start": "00:34:38", "end": "00:34:40", "text": ">> Okay. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:39", "end": "00:34:42", "text": ">> the unknown."}, {"start": "00:34:40", "end": "00:34:43", "text": ">> Mhm. Like"}, {"start": "00:34:42", "end": "00:34:44", "text": ">> that should already turn you off."}, {"start": "00:34:43", "end": "00:34:45", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:34:44", "end": "00:34:47", "text": ">> Like that that's what ticks me off. It's"}, {"start": "00:34:45", "end": "00:34:47", "text": "like why? Like who gives you the right"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:50", "text": "to know all this"}, {"start": "00:34:47", "end": "00:34:52", "text": ">> history and look at all the false flags"}, {"start": "00:34:50", "end": "00:34:54", "text": "the United States and any other"}, {"start": "00:34:52", "end": "00:34:57", "text": "government like for that matter has done"}, {"start": "00:34:54", "end": "00:34:59", "text": ">> to deceive the people to sway them in a"}, {"start": "00:34:57", "end": "00:35:02", "text": "certain direction. And it's like so now"}, {"start": "00:34:59", "end": "00:35:04", "text": "they're the gatekeepers of an alien"}, {"start": "00:35:02", "end": "00:35:05", "text": "race. Oh, dude. But that's it. It makes"}, {"start": "00:35:04", "end": "00:35:07", "text": "perfect sense why they would be the ones"}, {"start": "00:35:05", "end": "00:35:09", "text": "because they can be not speaking for"}, {"start": "00:35:07", "end": "00:35:11", "text": "every politician, but they have the"}, {"start": "00:35:09", "end": "00:35:13", "text": "propensity to be dishonest, to withhold"}, {"start": "00:35:11", "end": "00:35:17", "text": "information. And I think it's all"}, {"start": "00:35:13", "end": "00:35:19", "text": "because they want to control us, you"}, {"start": "00:35:17", "end": "00:35:20", "text": "know? And that's why these scientists"}, {"start": "00:35:19", "end": "00:35:22", "text": "are being silenced because they're like,"}, {"start": "00:35:20", "end": "00:35:23", "text": "\"Let me tell you about it.\" And it's"}, {"start": "00:35:22", "end": "00:35:25", "text": "like, \"No, dude.\""}, {"start": "00:35:23", "end": "00:35:26", "text": ">> And controlling us could also look like"}, {"start": "00:35:25", "end": "00:35:29", "text": "chaos."}, {"start": "00:35:26", "end": "00:35:31", "text": ">> Yeah. I I will say to play devil's"}, {"start": "00:35:29", "end": "00:35:33", "text": "advocate, I could understand why as a"}, {"start": "00:35:31", "end": "00:35:35", "text": "believing Congress person, even if it"}, {"start": "00:35:33", "end": "00:35:37", "text": "was just like some information, like"}, {"start": "00:35:35", "end": "00:35:38", "text": "very little information, it's like"}, {"start": "00:35:37", "end": "00:35:41", "text": "things are coming out right now that"}, {"start": "00:35:38", "end": "00:35:43", "text": "could deceive the Christian population."}, {"start": "00:35:41", "end": "00:35:45", "text": "And so, be prepared and prepare your"}, {"start": "00:35:43", "end": "00:35:47", "text": "congregation so that they do not fall"}, {"start": "00:35:45", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "into these traps of aliens being our"}, {"start": "00:35:47", "end": "00:35:50", "text": "overlord. I could understand why they"}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:51", "text": "would want to do that."}, {"start": "00:35:50", "end": "00:35:53", "text": ">> But why those pastors?"}, {"start": "00:35:51", "end": "00:35:53", "text": ">> Why those pastors? I've never Maybe he's"}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:56", "text": "friends with them."}, {"start": "00:35:53", "end": "00:35:57", "text": ">> Why make That's the thing. But like then"}, {"start": "00:35:56", "end": "00:36:00", "text": "go have go sit at their church or"}, {"start": "00:35:57", "end": "00:36:02", "text": "something. Send a message out yourself"}, {"start": "00:36:00", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "to these people and don't let the"}, {"start": "00:36:02", "end": "00:36:04", "text": "pastors be the secondhand news kind of"}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:06", "text": "guy."}, {"start": "00:36:04", "end": "00:36:08", "text": ">> Yeah. Also a lot more doomy and"}, {"start": "00:36:06", "end": "00:36:10", "text": ">> gloomy. I don't know if it was that"}, {"start": "00:36:08", "end": "00:36:11", "text": "congressman that I mentioned. I think"}, {"start": "00:36:10", "end": "00:36:12", "text": "people are speculating that it was that"}, {"start": "00:36:11", "end": "00:36:14", "text": "congre."}, {"start": "00:36:12", "end": "00:36:16", "text": ">> So it wasn't disclosed. That makes sense"}, {"start": "00:36:14", "end": "00:36:17", "text": "why his name like if if he dropped his"}, {"start": "00:36:16", "end": "00:36:19", "text": "name that's crazy."}, {"start": "00:36:17", "end": "00:36:20", "text": ">> I would also be curious what"}, {"start": "00:36:19", "end": "00:36:22", "text": "denomination each of these pastors"}, {"start": "00:36:20", "end": "00:36:23", "text": "belong to. If it was one specific"}, {"start": "00:36:22", "end": "00:36:24", "text": "denomination."}, {"start": "00:36:23", "end": "00:36:25", "text": ">> I'm very curious. I mean, I'm going to"}, {"start": "00:36:24", "end": "00:36:27", "text": "have to go look. Um, I'm just going to"}, {"start": "00:36:25", "end": "00:36:28", "text": "look online at their sermons and stuff."}, {"start": "00:36:27", "end": "00:36:29", "text": ">> Mormon."}, {"start": "00:36:28", "end": "00:36:32", "text": ">> Whoa."}, {"start": "00:36:29", "end": "00:36:35", "text": ">> Wait, Bormans were right the whole time."}, {"start": "00:36:32", "end": "00:36:37", "text": ">> LDS actually stands for look the sky."}, {"start": "00:36:35", "end": "00:36:40", "text": ">> That's good."}, {"start": "00:36:37", "end": "00:36:40", "text": ">> Um, so yeah, I don't know, man. It's"}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:42", "text": "weird."}, {"start": "00:36:40", "end": "00:36:44", "text": ">> I think I think the government is smart"}, {"start": "00:36:42", "end": "00:36:46", "text": "enough to leak information kind of like"}, {"start": "00:36:44", "end": "00:36:48", "text": "it's like toxic relationship where like"}, {"start": "00:36:46", "end": "00:36:49", "text": "I'm going to tell you enough, but I know"}, {"start": "00:36:48", "end": "00:36:51", "text": "that I'm I'm not going to give you so"}, {"start": "00:36:49", "end": "00:36:53", "text": "much to where you're going to feel the"}, {"start": "00:36:51", "end": "00:36:55", "text": "need to keep the bridge open. It's like"}, {"start": "00:36:53", "end": "00:36:57", "text": "if I told you everything, you could make"}, {"start": "00:36:55", "end": "00:37:00", "text": "your assessment and see where it goes."}, {"start": "00:36:57", "end": "00:37:02", "text": "But it's like if you leak too much of"}, {"start": "00:37:00", "end": "00:37:04", "text": "what I've told you, you've lost your"}, {"start": "00:37:02", "end": "00:37:05", "text": "contact. So they can only trickle"}, {"start": "00:37:04", "end": "00:37:07", "text": "information out. But then it's like this"}, {"start": "00:37:05", "end": "00:37:09", "text": "toxic tap that's just dripping"}, {"start": "00:37:07", "end": "00:37:10", "text": "misinformation."}, {"start": "00:37:09", "end": "00:37:12", "text": ">> And it's also like like it's kind of"}, {"start": "00:37:10", "end": "00:37:14", "text": "like the vibe of like, hey, I can't wait"}, {"start": "00:37:12", "end": "00:37:16", "text": "for you to come over tonight because I"}, {"start": "00:37:14", "end": "00:37:19", "text": "have something crazy to tell you about"}, {"start": "00:37:16", "end": "00:37:20", "text": "Melissa and Xav Xavier."}, {"start": "00:37:19", "end": "00:37:21", "text": ">> And and then all day you're like, what"}, {"start": "00:37:20", "end": "00:37:23", "text": "could possibly be happening? and you're"}, {"start": "00:37:21", "end": "00:37:25", "text": "talking about all your friends. Like, so"}, {"start": "00:37:23", "end": "00:37:28", "text": "if he leaks out this tiny information,"}, {"start": "00:37:25", "end": "00:37:31", "text": "then it it leaves the pastors, it leaves"}, {"start": "00:37:28", "end": "00:37:32", "text": "us to just speculate and blow it out"}, {"start": "00:37:31", "end": "00:37:33", "text": "proportion and maybe they're read"}, {"start": "00:37:32", "end": "00:37:34", "text": "they're looking at that and saying,"}, {"start": "00:37:33", "end": "00:37:35", "text": "\"Okay, what are people looking at?\""}, {"start": "00:37:34", "end": "00:37:37", "text": ">> And we're playing into it, right?"}, {"start": "00:37:35", "end": "00:37:39", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "00:37:37", "end": "00:37:39", "text": ">> It's just weird. I also would urge"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:40", "text": "people,"}, {"start": "00:37:39", "end": "00:37:44", "text": ">> yeah,"}, {"start": "00:37:40", "end": "00:37:45", "text": ">> you should go I first go read scripture"}, {"start": "00:37:44", "end": "00:37:48", "text": "because that's that's the number one."}, {"start": "00:37:45", "end": "00:37:52", "text": ">> I was right here. But a good take on the"}, {"start": "00:37:48", "end": "00:37:53", "text": "UFO stuff is the um orthodoxy and the"}, {"start": "00:37:52", "end": "00:37:54", "text": "religion of the future. Father Sarah"}, {"start": "00:37:53", "end": "00:37:56", "text": "from Rose"}, {"start": "00:37:54", "end": "00:37:58", "text": ">> Saint"}, {"start": "00:37:56", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "very recently."}, {"start": "00:37:58", "end": "00:37:59", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:00", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:37:59", "end": "00:38:03", "text": ">> when they will be saints."}, {"start": "00:38:00", "end": "00:38:05", "text": ">> I mean that that would be we can that's"}, {"start": "00:38:03", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "the thing that's what I love about"}, {"start": "00:38:05", "end": "00:38:07", "text": "saying these saints is there's no"}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:10", "text": "discrimination."}, {"start": "00:38:07", "end": "00:38:13", "text": ">> You can you can live your life to be I"}, {"start": "00:38:10", "end": "00:38:14", "text": "mean we're all saints if we're true holy"}, {"start": "00:38:13", "end": "00:38:16", "text": "followers of Christ, right?"}, {"start": "00:38:14", "end": "00:38:18", "text": ">> Yeah. I aspire for recognition."}, {"start": "00:38:16", "end": "00:38:22", "text": ">> All all saints were sinners."}, {"start": "00:38:18", "end": "00:38:23", "text": ">> Um but he has a whole chapter on UFOs"}, {"start": "00:38:22", "end": "00:38:26", "text": "and the deception and he goes back in"}, {"start": "00:38:23", "end": "00:38:29", "text": "history and back to like early church"}, {"start": "00:38:26", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "fathers who wrote about these deceptions"}, {"start": "00:38:29", "end": "00:38:31", "text": "that Satan can perform."}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:33", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:31", "end": "00:38:34", "text": ">> Mainly in the sky."}, {"start": "00:38:33", "end": "00:38:34", "text": ">> Yeah. And he wrote this in the 60s,"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:36", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "00:38:34", "end": "00:38:38", "text": ">> 60s or 70s. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:38:36", "end": "00:38:43", "text": ">> And what's interesting about it is that"}, {"start": "00:38:38", "end": "00:38:46", "text": "he himself, St. Saraphim Rose was um"}, {"start": "00:38:43", "end": "00:38:49", "text": "very influenced by new age spiritualism"}, {"start": "00:38:46", "end": "00:38:52", "text": "in his youth and tried basically every"}, {"start": "00:38:49", "end": "00:38:53", "text": "religion particularly Hinduism"}, {"start": "00:38:52", "end": "00:38:55", "text": ">> and like would travel and see all these"}, {"start": "00:38:53", "end": "00:38:56", "text": "deities and I think it was it him or was"}, {"start": "00:38:55", "end": "00:38:59", "text": "it another book we were reading where he"}, {"start": "00:38:56", "end": "00:39:01", "text": "went and he went to worship at one of"}, {"start": "00:38:59", "end": "00:39:03", "text": "the Hindu god spaces and then had a"}, {"start": "00:39:01", "end": "00:39:06", "text": "spiritual"}, {"start": "00:39:03", "end": "00:39:09", "text": ">> basically discern that that was evil. Um"}, {"start": "00:39:06", "end": "00:39:11", "text": "anyway, he he's warning us in the 60s"}, {"start": "00:39:09", "end": "00:39:13", "text": "about this new age spiritualism rising"}, {"start": "00:39:11", "end": "00:39:14", "text": "up in our country. And then you're"}, {"start": "00:39:13", "end": "00:39:17", "text": "reading it now and you see how these"}, {"start": "00:39:14", "end": "00:39:18", "text": "things have come to pass in our nation"}, {"start": "00:39:17", "end": "00:39:20", "text": "and how it's so ingrained even"}, {"start": "00:39:18", "end": "00:39:21", "text": ">> leaked into our churches."}, {"start": "00:39:20", "end": "00:39:23", "text": ">> Pentecostalism,"}, {"start": "00:39:21", "end": "00:39:25", "text": "all this stuff, how"}, {"start": "00:39:23", "end": "00:39:27", "text": ">> I'm I'm going to throw out a"}, {"start": "00:39:25", "end": "00:39:30", "text": "counterpoint just to just to mix it up a"}, {"start": "00:39:27", "end": "00:39:32", "text": "bit. But if this is a big like SCOP and"}, {"start": "00:39:30", "end": "00:39:35", "text": "you need the church to like fully buy"}, {"start": "00:39:32", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "into this stuff, what a time to make it"}, {"start": "00:39:35", "end": "00:39:37", "text": "canon."}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:40", "text": ">> What do you mean?"}, {"start": "00:39:37", "end": "00:39:41", "text": ">> Like you said, you said he was like"}, {"start": "00:39:40", "end": "00:39:43", "text": "sanctified"}, {"start": "00:39:41", "end": "00:39:45", "text": ">> for whatever the word is. So just"}, {"start": "00:39:43", "end": "00:39:47", "text": "throwing it out there, it affirms"}, {"start": "00:39:45", "end": "00:39:48", "text": "everything he said right as they're"}, {"start": "00:39:47", "end": "00:39:49", "text": "saying all this weird sky stuff's about"}, {"start": "00:39:48", "end": "00:39:50", "text": "to happen."}, {"start": "00:39:49", "end": "00:39:52", "text": ">> Yeah, I guess you could look at that."}, {"start": "00:39:50", "end": "00:39:54", "text": ">> Just throwing that out there as someone"}, {"start": "00:39:52", "end": "00:39:56", "text": "who hasn't read the timing."}, {"start": "00:39:54", "end": "00:39:59", "text": ">> Yeah, timing is weird. Yeah, because he"}, {"start": "00:39:56", "end": "00:40:01", "text": "died in the 70s and"}, {"start": "00:39:59", "end": "00:40:02", "text": ">> when all of the weird occulty government"}, {"start": "00:40:01", "end": "00:40:06", "text": "stuff was also happening."}, {"start": "00:40:02", "end": "00:40:08", "text": ">> Also canonized as a saint the same week"}, {"start": "00:40:06", "end": "00:40:09", "text": "that these pastors met with this."}, {"start": "00:40:08", "end": "00:40:10", "text": ">> Wow, that's so funny."}, {"start": "00:40:09", "end": "00:40:11", "text": ">> That is interesting."}, {"start": "00:40:10", "end": "00:40:13", "text": ">> So, what do you think the church's"}, {"start": "00:40:11", "end": "00:40:14", "text": "reaction should be? Because I saw that"}, {"start": "00:40:13", "end": "00:40:16", "text": "blurry creatures post and I had no idea"}, {"start": "00:40:14", "end": "00:40:17", "text": "the context. I was like, this is like it"}, {"start": "00:40:16", "end": "00:40:20", "text": "seems super random, but now it makes"}, {"start": "00:40:17", "end": "00:40:21", "text": "total sense. Yeah. About just like how"}, {"start": "00:40:20", "end": "00:40:24", "text": "churches should be reacting to this."}, {"start": "00:40:21", "end": "00:40:26", "text": "Should pastors be mentioning this on"}, {"start": "00:40:24", "end": "00:40:28", "text": ">> Oh, churches. I mean, I would start"}, {"start": "00:40:26", "end": "00:40:31", "text": "talking about deception like"}, {"start": "00:40:28", "end": "00:40:34", "text": ">> and just saying like what deception has"}, {"start": "00:40:31", "end": "00:40:35", "text": "even looked like just through scripture"}, {"start": "00:40:34", "end": "00:40:37", "text": ">> and church history."}, {"start": "00:40:35", "end": "00:40:39", "text": ">> Church history especially. Like I mean"}, {"start": "00:40:37", "end": "00:40:41", "text": "cuz I was even reading"}, {"start": "00:40:39", "end": "00:40:42", "text": ">> I'm reading a book. It's uh St. Anthony"}, {"start": "00:40:41", "end": "00:40:43", "text": "the Great, which I talked about a week"}, {"start": "00:40:42", "end": "00:40:45", "text": "or two ago."}, {"start": "00:40:43", "end": "00:40:47", "text": ">> I'm reading his like uh biography kind"}, {"start": "00:40:45", "end": "00:40:49", "text": "of thing, but he like has some of his"}, {"start": "00:40:47", "end": "00:40:51", "text": "teachings in it."}, {"start": "00:40:49", "end": "00:40:52", "text": ">> This dude's nuts. Like he was living in"}, {"start": "00:40:51", "end": "00:40:55", "text": "the desert. There was at one point he"}, {"start": "00:40:52", "end": "00:40:57", "text": "was living alone with his door shut in"}, {"start": "00:40:55", "end": "00:40:58", "text": "the desert for 20 years straight."}, {"start": "00:40:57", "end": "00:40:59", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "00:40:58", "end": "00:41:00", "text": ">> And somebody would bring him bread like"}, {"start": "00:40:59", "end": "00:41:01", "text": "once a week, right?"}, {"start": "00:41:00", "end": "00:41:03", "text": ">> Somebody No, they would bring him bread"}, {"start": "00:41:01", "end": "00:41:05", "text": "twice a year."}, {"start": "00:41:03", "end": "00:41:06", "text": ">> And enough bread and he would just eat"}, {"start": "00:41:05", "end": "00:41:06", "text": "little morsels of it."}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:06", "end": "00:41:11", "text": ">> And these people came and they're like"}, {"start": "00:41:08", "end": "00:41:13", "text": "begging to talk to s an uh Anthony the"}, {"start": "00:41:11", "end": "00:41:17", "text": "Great."}, {"start": "00:41:13", "end": "00:41:18", "text": ">> And um there was they would hear arguing"}, {"start": "00:41:17", "end": "00:41:20", "text": "like people fighting and they're like,"}, {"start": "00:41:18", "end": "00:41:22", "text": "\"What in the world?\" And they look under"}, {"start": "00:41:20", "end": "00:41:24", "text": "the door. No one's in there. And they're"}, {"start": "00:41:22", "end": "00:41:25", "text": "like, \"These are demons.\" He's fighting"}, {"start": "00:41:24", "end": "00:41:26", "text": "demons right now. Gosh."}, {"start": "00:41:25", "end": "00:41:27", "text": ">> And then he basically yelled out. He's"}, {"start": "00:41:26", "end": "00:41:27", "text": "like, \"Why are you guys afraid of"}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:28", "text": "demons?\""}, {"start": "00:41:27", "end": "00:41:29", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:28", "end": "00:41:30", "text": ">> He said, \"They don't have power over"}, {"start": "00:41:29", "end": "00:41:31", "text": "us.\" Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:30", "end": "00:41:34", "text": ">> They said, \"We worship the living God"}, {"start": "00:41:31", "end": "00:41:37", "text": "who has power. If anything, they have no"}, {"start": "00:41:34", "end": "00:41:39", "text": "authority to hurt us unless given the"}, {"start": "00:41:37", "end": "00:41:40", "text": "given the authority like Job.\""}, {"start": "00:41:39", "end": "00:41:41", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:40", "end": "00:41:42", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "00:41:41", "end": "00:41:45", "text": ">> given the authority by God."}, {"start": "00:41:42", "end": "00:41:48", "text": ">> Given the authority by God to test us"}, {"start": "00:41:45", "end": "00:41:50", "text": "and test our faith like Job. Um"}, {"start": "00:41:48", "end": "00:41:51", "text": ">> what it it's actually like if you're"}, {"start": "00:41:50", "end": "00:41:53", "text": "under demonic oppression, it's actually"}, {"start": "00:41:51", "end": "00:41:54", "text": "an honor."}, {"start": "00:41:53", "end": "00:41:56", "text": ">> Yeah, it truly is."}, {"start": "00:41:54", "end": "00:41:56", "text": ">> Job was sought out."}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:41:58", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:41:56", "end": "00:41:59", "text": ">> I remember when uh we had that"}, {"start": "00:41:58", "end": "00:42:01", "text": "experience with the girl who was"}, {"start": "00:41:59", "end": "00:42:03", "text": "possessed at that camp and I remember"}, {"start": "00:42:01", "end": "00:42:05", "text": "everyone was scared and I was like,"}, {"start": "00:42:03", "end": "00:42:06", "text": ">> did she affect any of us or was the"}, {"start": "00:42:05", "end": "00:42:07", "text": "devil trying to shut down what was"}, {"start": "00:42:06", "end": "00:42:10", "text": "happening?"}, {"start": "00:42:07", "end": "00:42:12", "text": ">> I was like, which means there's re there"}, {"start": "00:42:10", "end": "00:42:13", "text": "is a reality to the power that we have"}, {"start": "00:42:12", "end": "00:42:14", "text": "access to."}, {"start": "00:42:13", "end": "00:42:15", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:42:14", "end": "00:42:17", "text": ">> So it's like what do we have to fear?"}, {"start": "00:42:15", "end": "00:42:18", "text": ">> So good there. And have you guys ever"}, {"start": "00:42:17", "end": "00:42:20", "text": "seen the movie Big Fish?"}, {"start": "00:42:18", "end": "00:42:21", "text": ">> Yeah, of course. Love it."}, {"start": "00:42:20", "end": "00:42:23", "text": ">> So good. It's one of the best. I was"}, {"start": "00:42:21", "end": "00:42:26", "text": "watching that last night. Demi wanted to"}, {"start": "00:42:23", "end": "00:42:27", "text": "watch it and we were the whole premise"}, {"start": "00:42:26", "end": "00:42:29", "text": "like of the movie at the very beginning."}, {"start": "00:42:27", "end": "00:42:31", "text": "He see he meets this witch that has this"}, {"start": "00:42:29", "end": "00:42:33", "text": "eye that you know can show him how he"}, {"start": "00:42:31", "end": "00:42:34", "text": "dies, right? And that gives him the"}, {"start": "00:42:33", "end": "00:42:36", "text": "courage throughout his whole life like"}, {"start": "00:42:34", "end": "00:42:38", "text": "to do these miraculous things because he"}, {"start": "00:42:36", "end": "00:42:40", "text": "knows how he dies. He knows he's an old"}, {"start": "00:42:38", "end": "00:42:41", "text": "man and that he's like so it gave him"}, {"start": "00:42:40", "end": "00:42:42", "text": "confidence and like I feel like that's"}, {"start": "00:42:41", "end": "00:42:45", "text": "the same thing. It's like we're we're"}, {"start": "00:42:42", "end": "00:42:47", "text": "told whether we die on this earth in a"}, {"start": "00:42:45", "end": "00:42:48", "text": "horrible or long live a long life, you"}, {"start": "00:42:47", "end": "00:42:50", "text": "know, whatever it may be, it's like we"}, {"start": "00:42:48", "end": "00:42:51", "text": "know how the story ends."}, {"start": "00:42:50", "end": "00:42:53", "text": ">> Like we're going to we got to we got to"}, {"start": "00:42:51", "end": "00:42:54", "text": "do it. And so like yeah, like it is an"}, {"start": "00:42:53", "end": "00:42:56", "text": "honor to go through trials and"}, {"start": "00:42:54", "end": "00:42:58", "text": "tribulations and you know, be attacked"}, {"start": "00:42:56", "end": "00:43:00", "text": "by demons if that's the case. If you're"}, {"start": "00:42:58", "end": "00:43:01", "text": ">> count it all joy when you meet suffering"}, {"start": "00:43:00", "end": "00:43:03", "text": "of various kinds."}, {"start": "00:43:01", "end": "00:43:05", "text": ">> My word so good. That's my my verse of"}, {"start": "00:43:03", "end": "00:43:07", "text": "the season, you guys. So good."}, {"start": "00:43:05", "end": "00:43:10", "text": ">> That there was a chapter in there where"}, {"start": "00:43:07", "end": "00:43:11", "text": "he talked about um demonic prophecy."}, {"start": "00:43:10", "end": "00:43:15", "text": ">> Mhm. Mhm."}, {"start": "00:43:11", "end": "00:43:18", "text": ">> And he's like, \"Demons, Satan, cannot"}, {"start": "00:43:15", "end": "00:43:21", "text": "prophesy. They do not know the future."}, {"start": "00:43:18", "end": "00:43:22", "text": "What they are, they're clever and"}, {"start": "00:43:21", "end": "00:43:23", "text": "they're very good guessers.\""}, {"start": "00:43:22", "end": "00:43:24", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "00:43:23", "end": "00:43:26", "text": ">> And he said, and that's why there's a"}, {"start": "00:43:24", "end": "00:43:28", "text": "lot of like hold these prophecies like"}, {"start": "00:43:26", "end": "00:43:29", "text": "if the prophecy is false, stone that"}, {"start": "00:43:28", "end": "00:43:31", "text": "prophet kind of thing. That was like all"}, {"start": "00:43:29", "end": "00:43:34", "text": "throughout scripture. But he's like even"}, {"start": "00:43:31", "end": "00:43:37", "text": "he was giving examples. It was crazy."}, {"start": "00:43:34", "end": "00:43:40", "text": "He's like they'll come for be as a"}, {"start": "00:43:37", "end": "00:43:41", "text": "person and they'll be like the river is"}, {"start": "00:43:40", "end": "00:43:43", "text": "going to flood."}, {"start": "00:43:41", "end": "00:43:45", "text": ">> He said they only know that because that"}, {"start": "00:43:43", "end": "00:43:48", "text": "demon was further up the river and saw"}, {"start": "00:43:45", "end": "00:43:50", "text": "that it was raining. Rush back and they"}, {"start": "00:43:48", "end": "00:43:52", "text": "make this prophecy. And so it's it's"}, {"start": "00:43:50", "end": "00:43:54", "text": "some of these prophecies prophecies are"}, {"start": "00:43:52", "end": "00:43:57", "text": "true"}, {"start": "00:43:54", "end": "00:43:58", "text": ">> to gain their trust in order to further"}, {"start": "00:43:57", "end": "00:43:59", "text": "deceive."}, {"start": "00:43:58", "end": "00:44:01", "text": ">> Yeah. For the listeners. It's just"}, {"start": "00:43:59", "end": "00:44:02", "text": "calcul calculated predictions instead of"}, {"start": "00:44:01", "end": "00:44:04", "text": "prophecies. Right."}, {"start": "00:44:02", "end": "00:44:07", "text": ">> Exactly. for the listeners only"}, {"start": "00:44:04", "end": "00:44:08", "text": "prophecies was in quotes."}, {"start": "00:44:07", "end": "00:44:11", "text": ">> Air quoted. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:44:08", "end": "00:44:14", "text": ">> But test everything. Test everything in"}, {"start": "00:44:11", "end": "00:44:15", "text": "accordance to what we read in our Bibles"}, {"start": "00:44:14", "end": "00:44:17", "text": "and in prayer."}, {"start": "00:44:15", "end": "00:44:18", "text": ">> And that's where the pastors need to"}, {"start": "00:44:17", "end": "00:44:20", "text": "step up. It's like you don't have to"}, {"start": "00:44:18", "end": "00:44:22", "text": "focus on the aliens, but like look at"}, {"start": "00:44:20", "end": "00:44:23", "text": "scripture and like when letters were"}, {"start": "00:44:22", "end": "00:44:25", "text": "written to correct, you know,"}, {"start": "00:44:23", "end": "00:44:26", "text": "theological issues like look how it was"}, {"start": "00:44:25", "end": "00:44:28", "text": "handled in the church."}, {"start": "00:44:26", "end": "00:44:30", "text": ">> Yeah. And be like instead of quoting"}, {"start": "00:44:28", "end": "00:44:32", "text": "like in the days of Noah, so it'll be"}, {"start": "00:44:30", "end": "00:44:34", "text": "before my return. Yeah. quote like this"}, {"start": "00:44:32", "end": "00:44:35", "text": "is what scripture says about deception."}, {"start": "00:44:34", "end": "00:44:36", "text": "Yeah. You know, like let's start talking"}, {"start": "00:44:35", "end": "00:44:37", "text": "about that."}, {"start": "00:44:36", "end": "00:44:39", "text": ">> Everything needs to lead to the cross"}, {"start": "00:44:37", "end": "00:44:40", "text": ">> because of course everyone knows that"}, {"start": "00:44:39", "end": "00:44:42", "text": "that verse now. It'll be like the days"}, {"start": "00:44:40", "end": "00:44:44", "text": "of Noah. Yeah. And it's like"}, {"start": "00:44:42", "end": "00:44:47", "text": ">> let's talk about let's prepare everyone"}, {"start": "00:44:44", "end": "00:44:50", "text": "to not be deceived. And it don't be so"}, {"start": "00:44:47", "end": "00:44:54", "text": "focused on that. If you fully focus on"}, {"start": "00:44:50", "end": "00:44:55", "text": "living a life for Christ, blot out the"}, {"start": "00:44:54", "end": "00:44:58", "text": "world. The world doesn't matter. Live"}, {"start": "00:44:55", "end": "00:44:59", "text": "for the kingdom of God. I guarantee you,"}, {"start": "00:44:58", "end": "00:45:00", "text": "you will not be deceived."}, {"start": "00:44:59", "end": "00:45:01", "text": ">> Yeah. Don't fall for Yeah. You will fall"}, {"start": "00:45:00", "end": "00:45:02", "text": "for the tricks."}, {"start": "00:45:01", "end": "00:45:03", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:02", "end": "00:45:04", "text": ">> It's called discernment."}, {"start": "00:45:03", "end": "00:45:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:45:04", "end": "00:45:06", "text": ">> God will give you discernment."}, {"start": "00:45:05", "end": "00:45:09", "text": ">> Discern."}, {"start": "00:45:06", "end": "00:45:09", "text": ">> Discern."}, {"start": "00:45:11", "end": "00:45:13", "text": ">> Speaking of discernment, did you hear"}, {"start": "00:45:12", "end": "00:45:15", "text": "about that cruise where it's has a"}, {"start": "00:45:13", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "pandemic that's going to wipe out the"}, {"start": "00:45:15", "end": "00:45:16", "text": "entire earth?"}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": ">> I did not."}, {"start": "00:45:16", "end": "00:45:21", "text": ">> Okay. I'll tell you more about anywhere."}, {"start": "00:45:21", "end": "00:45:24", "text": ">> What's going on, guys? Andrew here. I"}, {"start": "00:45:23", "end": "00:45:26", "text": "want to tell you about our Patreon"}, {"start": "00:45:24", "end": "00:45:27", "text": "account. We go so far down the rabbit"}, {"start": "00:45:26", "end": "00:45:28", "text": "hole, you're never going to find your"}, {"start": "00:45:27", "end": "00:45:30", "text": "way out. There's stuff we can't even"}, {"start": "00:45:28", "end": "00:45:32", "text": "post on YouTube without it getting"}, {"start": "00:45:30", "end": "00:45:34", "text": "flagged. And all of that stuff exists at"}, {"start": "00:45:32", "end": "00:45:36", "text": "patreon.com/ninjas"}, {"start": "00:45:34", "end": "00:45:38", "text": "or butterflies. We got early released"}, {"start": "00:45:36", "end": "00:45:40", "text": "episodes. 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Bye."}, {"start": "00:45:55", "end": "00:45:57", "text": "Annual labor."}, {"start": "00:45:56", "end": "00:45:59", "text": ">> If this podcast ever goes under, please"}, {"start": "00:45:57", "end": "00:46:00", "text": "let's start a lawn service."}, {"start": "00:45:59", "end": "00:46:02", "text": ">> Oh, I'm in."}, {"start": "00:46:00", "end": "00:46:02", "text": ">> Can I just be the marketing guy?"}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:03", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:46:02", "end": "00:46:05", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:46:03", "end": "00:46:07", "text": ">> You can be the leaf blower guy."}, {"start": "00:46:05", "end": "00:46:08", "text": ">> Yeah, that's pretty satisfying."}, {"start": "00:46:07", "end": "00:46:09", "text": ">> We're the big backpack one."}, {"start": "00:46:08", "end": "00:46:10", "text": ">> I want the I want the standing lawn"}, {"start": "00:46:09", "end": "00:46:10", "text": "mower."}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:12", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "00:46:10", "end": "00:46:14", "text": ">> you see those guys? That's so cool."}, {"start": "00:46:12", "end": "00:46:17", "text": ">> Have you seen how much money that lawn"}, {"start": "00:46:14", "end": "00:46:18", "text": "services make in those like 55 and over"}, {"start": "00:46:17", "end": "00:46:19", "text": "like trailer park neighborhoods? Like"}, {"start": "00:46:18", "end": "00:46:21", "text": "the nice ones and like"}, {"start": "00:46:19", "end": "00:46:22", "text": ">> I know they make a lot. I it was I think"}, {"start": "00:46:21", "end": "00:46:24", "text": "it was like a couple hundred bucks a"}, {"start": "00:46:22", "end": "00:46:27", "text": "month is what my grandma was paying for"}, {"start": "00:46:24", "end": "00:46:29", "text": "her lawn. But I'm talking it's a strip"}, {"start": "00:46:27", "end": "00:46:31", "text": "between and they're all cookie cutter."}, {"start": "00:46:29", "end": "00:46:33", "text": "So literally you have a guy edging you"}, {"start": "00:46:31", "end": "00:46:35", "text": "got a guy running the mower through and"}, {"start": "00:46:33", "end": "00:46:37", "text": "you get the whole freaking HOA"}, {"start": "00:46:35", "end": "00:46:38", "text": ">> and so like I did the math. I forget how"}, {"start": "00:46:37", "end": "00:46:39", "text": "many it was like"}, {"start": "00:46:38", "end": "00:46:40", "text": ">> if you can book a neighborhood"}, {"start": "00:46:39", "end": "00:46:42", "text": ">> that's cuz that's how it works is"}, {"start": "00:46:40", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "through the HOA. So literally I mean"}, {"start": "00:46:42", "end": "00:46:44", "text": "you're raking in tens of thousand."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:44", "end": "00:46:47", "text": ">> And that's like job security like crazy."}, {"start": "00:46:46", "end": "00:46:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:46:47", "end": "00:46:50", "text": ">> But what a tough tough business to get"}, {"start": "00:46:49", "end": "00:46:51", "text": "into. There's so many lawn services out"}, {"start": "00:46:50", "end": "00:46:52", "text": "there. That's what I'm saying."}, {"start": "00:46:51", "end": "00:46:53", "text": ">> So, what are you going to do to be"}, {"start": "00:46:52", "end": "00:46:54", "text": "different?"}, {"start": "00:46:53", "end": "00:46:56", "text": ">> But our marketing would be crazy fun."}, {"start": "00:46:54", "end": "00:46:58", "text": ">> Maybe we do like we get like super"}, {"start": "00:46:56", "end": "00:46:59", "text": "jacked and we just do the lawn in like"}, {"start": "00:46:58", "end": "00:47:01", "text": "our speedos or something."}, {"start": "00:46:59", "end": "00:47:01", "text": ">> I figured that was where we were going"}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:04", "text": "anyway."}, {"start": "00:47:01", "end": "00:47:06", "text": ">> Yeah. We'll call it um some some like a"}, {"start": "00:47:04", "end": "00:47:10", "text": "play on word like magic mics."}, {"start": "00:47:06", "end": "00:47:11", "text": ">> Like the lawn the lawn bronze."}, {"start": "00:47:10", "end": "00:47:11", "text": "Lawn bronze."}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:11", "end": "00:47:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:13", "end": "00:47:17", "text": ">> Lawn stars."}, {"start": "00:47:14", "end": "00:47:18", "text": ">> Lawn stars."}, {"start": "00:47:17", "end": "00:47:21", "text": ">> Lawn John's"}, {"start": "00:47:18", "end": "00:47:24", "text": ">> law Johns. Come on, John."}, {"start": "00:47:21", "end": "00:47:25", "text": ">> I'm John one. I'm John two."}, {"start": "00:47:24", "end": "00:47:27", "text": ">> John John."}, {"start": "00:47:25", "end": "00:47:27", "text": ">> Those bow buns."}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:28", "text": ">> Bow buns."}, {"start": "00:47:27", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> Ridiculous."}, {"start": "00:47:28", "end": "00:47:30", "text": ">> Do you want the bun?"}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:31", "text": ">> Chop pow."}, {"start": "00:47:30", "end": "00:47:32", "text": ">> Does she uh"}, {"start": "00:47:31", "end": "00:47:34", "text": ">> show?"}, {"start": "00:47:32", "end": "00:47:35", "text": ">> Do they ship?"}, {"start": "00:47:34", "end": "00:47:36", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:47:35", "end": "00:47:37", "text": ">> Sophie's Kitchen."}, {"start": "00:47:36", "end": "00:47:37", "text": ">> That's got to be frozen. So, I don't"}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:38", "text": "know."}, {"start": "00:47:37", "end": "00:47:39", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:47:38", "end": "00:47:40", "text": ">> If they do, go to everyone go to"}, {"start": "00:47:39", "end": "00:47:40", "text": "Sophie's Kitchen."}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:47:40", "end": "00:47:44", "text": ">> Google it. It's the greatest Filipino"}, {"start": "00:47:43", "end": "00:47:46", "text": "food I've ever had in my life."}, {"start": "00:47:44", "end": "00:47:48", "text": ">> Or if you're at Disney, make a little"}, {"start": "00:47:46", "end": "00:47:50", "text": "trip. Get you a little something. I'm"}, {"start": "00:47:48", "end": "00:47:51", "text": "not going to lie. I'm telling you, that"}, {"start": "00:47:50", "end": "00:47:53", "text": "ice cream, that ube ice cream that they"}, {"start": "00:47:51", "end": "00:47:55", "text": "gave us, it was phenomenal. The if I"}, {"start": "00:47:53", "end": "00:47:57", "text": "could die, if I had to die tomorrow and"}, {"start": "00:47:55", "end": "00:47:58", "text": "they're like, \"You have one treat.\""}, {"start": "00:47:57", "end": "00:47:59", "text": ">> ube ice cream."}, {"start": "00:47:58", "end": "00:48:01", "text": ">> That ube ice cream, even in that small"}, {"start": "00:47:59", "end": "00:48:03", "text": "of a dish, I could eat a whole gallon."}, {"start": "00:48:01", "end": "00:48:06", "text": "But even in that one, I was blown away."}, {"start": "00:48:03", "end": "00:48:08", "text": "She It's another fun surprise later when"}, {"start": "00:48:06", "end": "00:48:10", "text": "you go poop and your poop is purple."}, {"start": "00:48:08", "end": "00:48:11", "text": ">> That is fun. It's a fun surprise. We"}, {"start": "00:48:10", "end": "00:48:12", "text": "should have We should have more fun"}, {"start": "00:48:11", "end": "00:48:13", "text": "surprises like that in the food"}, {"start": "00:48:12", "end": "00:48:15", "text": "industry."}, {"start": "00:48:13", "end": "00:48:16", "text": ">> I agree. Like, yeah, it's good food, but"}, {"start": "00:48:15", "end": "00:48:18", "text": "guess what? You're also going to have"}, {"start": "00:48:16", "end": "00:48:19", "text": "fun taking it home later."}, {"start": "00:48:18", "end": "00:48:21", "text": ">> Yeah, dude. Like Superman ice cream,"}, {"start": "00:48:19", "end": "00:48:24", "text": "like half the fun was your poop later."}, {"start": "00:48:21", "end": "00:48:26", "text": ">> Yeah, I've always said that."}, {"start": "00:48:24", "end": "00:48:28", "text": ">> Ice cream is poop, by the way."}, {"start": "00:48:26", "end": "00:48:29", "text": ">> What if there's like pop rocks, but you"}, {"start": "00:48:28", "end": "00:48:30", "text": "didn't know like they were delayed, so"}, {"start": "00:48:29", "end": "00:48:31", "text": "you didn't know when they were going to"}, {"start": "00:48:30", "end": "00:48:35", "text": "pop?"}, {"start": "00:48:31", "end": "00:48:38", "text": ">> It just pops in the water when you poop."}, {"start": "00:48:35", "end": "00:48:41", "text": ">> Um, speaking of pop rocks in your poop,"}, {"start": "00:48:38", "end": "00:48:41", "text": ">> question."}, {"start": "00:48:42", "end": "00:48:46", "text": "I did not have a question, so I just"}, {"start": "00:48:44", "end": "00:48:48", "text": "texted Allan in the bathroom. I said,"}, {"start": "00:48:46", "end": "00:48:49", "text": "\"Hurry, I need a question.\""}, {"start": "00:48:48", "end": "00:48:50", "text": ">> Should we call him right now?"}, {"start": "00:48:49", "end": "00:48:52", "text": ">> Can I have a bite of that?"}, {"start": "00:48:50", "end": "00:48:54", "text": ">> For clarity, who was in the bathroom?"}, {"start": "00:48:52", "end": "00:48:54", "text": ">> I texted Allan while I was in the"}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:55", "text": "bathroom."}, {"start": "00:48:54", "end": "00:48:56", "text": ">> Oh, you were in the bathroom, not Alan."}, {"start": "00:48:55", "end": "00:48:57", "text": ">> Yes, you can have a bite."}, {"start": "00:48:56", "end": "00:48:59", "text": ">> Let me call him real quick. See if he"}, {"start": "00:48:57", "end": "00:49:00", "text": "answers."}, {"start": "00:48:59", "end": "00:49:02", "text": ">> He will. He just texted me. If he"}, {"start": "00:49:00", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "doesn't answer you, then there's a"}, {"start": "00:49:02", "end": "00:49:05", "text": "problem."}, {"start": "00:49:06", "end": "00:49:08", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a problem. How many of those"}, {"start": "00:49:07", "end": "00:49:13", "text": "I've eaten?"}, {"start": "00:49:08", "end": "00:49:13", "text": ">> So good. They do spam and eggs."}, {"start": "00:49:17", "end": "00:49:22", "text": "Hola."}, {"start": "00:49:18", "end": "00:49:24", "text": ">> Hey babe, you're on the pod. Hey Alan."}, {"start": "00:49:22", "end": "00:49:25", "text": ">> Oh, how's it going guy?"}, {"start": "00:49:24", "end": "00:49:26", "text": ">> Hey,"}, {"start": "00:49:25", "end": "00:49:29", "text": ">> why does he sound like AI?"}, {"start": "00:49:26", "end": "00:49:31", "text": ">> First of all, this is AI chatbot Ellen."}, {"start": "00:49:29", "end": "00:49:32", "text": "Um, hey, listen. We need a question."}, {"start": "00:49:31", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "This question corner with Lily and Lily"}, {"start": "00:49:32", "end": "00:49:34", "text": "came unprepared. So, we need a question"}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:35", "text": "from you."}, {"start": "00:49:34", "end": "00:49:37", "text": ">> You sent me one."}, {"start": "00:49:35", "end": "00:49:40", "text": ">> It doesn't matter. It was his. I want to"}, {"start": "00:49:37", "end": "00:49:41", "text": "hear him voice. His voice say it."}, {"start": "00:49:40", "end": "00:49:43", "text": "What happened?"}, {"start": "00:49:41", "end": "00:49:44", "text": ">> He sent me one. I have it right here."}, {"start": "00:49:43", "end": "00:49:46", "text": ">> Yeah, but what happened? Why didn't you"}, {"start": "00:49:44", "end": "00:49:48", "text": "Why did you come to the pod unprepared?"}, {"start": "00:49:46", "end": "00:49:48", "text": ">> I was researching something else."}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:50", "text": ">> Right."}, {"start": "00:49:48", "end": "00:49:52", "text": ">> I was I promised."}, {"start": "00:49:50", "end": "00:49:54", "text": ">> I sent you. Wait, Lily, I sent you two."}, {"start": "00:49:52", "end": "00:49:55", "text": "Which one are you trying to use?"}, {"start": "00:49:54", "end": "00:49:57", "text": ">> I want to do the one in the video that"}, {"start": "00:49:55", "end": "00:49:58", "text": "you sent because the other one is dumb."}, {"start": "00:49:57", "end": "00:50:00", "text": "We're Christians. We all know how we're"}, {"start": "00:49:58", "end": "00:50:01", "text": "going to answer it."}, {"start": "00:50:00", "end": "00:50:02", "text": ">> I still want to hear this one after as"}, {"start": "00:50:01", "end": "00:50:03", "text": "well."}, {"start": "00:50:02", "end": "00:50:05", "text": ">> But you give us you give us the you give"}, {"start": "00:50:03", "end": "00:50:08", "text": "us the good one, Alan."}, {"start": "00:50:05", "end": "00:50:10", "text": ">> Okay. The one that is in the video that"}, {"start": "00:50:08", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "I sent Lily, uh, it goes like this."}, {"start": "00:50:10", "end": "00:50:11", "text": "Ready?"}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:14", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:50:11", "end": "00:50:15", "text": ">> So, there's a magic coin. You have a"}, {"start": "00:50:14", "end": "00:50:18", "text": "coin."}, {"start": "00:50:15", "end": "00:50:23", "text": ">> Um, you can flip it once per day. That's"}, {"start": "00:50:18", "end": "00:50:28", "text": "it. Um, what happens is if you flip it"}, {"start": "00:50:23", "end": "00:50:30", "text": "and it lands on heads, you get $1,000."}, {"start": "00:50:28", "end": "00:50:32", "text": ">> $10,000 or said"}, {"start": "00:50:30", "end": "00:50:34", "text": ">> $10,000. Okay."}, {"start": "00:50:32", "end": "00:50:38", "text": ">> Okay. $10,000."}, {"start": "00:50:34", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "Big money out here. Uh, hail,"}, {"start": "00:50:38", "end": "00:50:44", "text": "a llama spawns in your house."}, {"start": "00:50:45", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "The only way to get rid of the llamas is"}, {"start": "00:50:49", "end": "00:50:54", "text": "to destroy the coin."}, {"start": "00:50:55", "end": "00:51:00", "text": ">> How many times are you flipping this"}, {"start": "00:50:58", "end": "00:51:02", "text": "coin?"}, {"start": "00:51:00", "end": "00:51:02", "text": ">> Oh man, every day. I got the I got the"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:04", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:51:02", "end": "00:51:05", "text": ">> you then if if you get tails then you"}, {"start": "00:51:04", "end": "00:51:06", "text": "get a llama farm."}, {"start": "00:51:05", "end": "00:51:08", "text": ">> That's"}, {"start": "00:51:06", "end": "00:51:09", "text": ">> instantly swap into a llama farm."}, {"start": "00:51:08", "end": "00:51:12", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:09", "end": "00:51:16", "text": ">> Statistically half the time. So let's go"}, {"start": "00:51:12", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "a month. So you're 10 grand at 15 days"}, {"start": "00:51:16", "end": "00:51:18", "text": "is a lot of money."}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:20", "text": ">> It's true."}, {"start": "00:51:18", "end": "00:51:22", "text": ">> It's enough to buy some property. Tales"}, {"start": "00:51:20", "end": "00:51:22", "text": "never fails though. So that's a lot of"}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:24", "text": "llamas."}, {"start": "00:51:22", "end": "00:51:26", "text": ">> That is a lot of llamas. You're I'm"}, {"start": "00:51:24", "end": "00:51:30", "text": "assuming this llama has never really"}, {"start": "00:51:26", "end": "00:51:31", "text": "been in captivity."}, {"start": "00:51:30", "end": "00:51:32", "text": "I would assume it's wild."}, {"start": "00:51:31", "end": "00:51:34", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:51:32", "end": "00:51:36", "text": ">> I assume all blas are wild, right?"}, {"start": "00:51:34", "end": "00:51:38", "text": ">> Yeah. So, you got to assume there's"}, {"start": "00:51:36", "end": "00:51:38", "text": "going to be some damage to"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:39", "text": ">> to your house,"}, {"start": "00:51:38", "end": "00:51:42", "text": ">> to your property, right?"}, {"start": "00:51:39", "end": "00:51:43", "text": ">> But 10 grand easy fix another 10 grand"}, {"start": "00:51:42", "end": "00:51:44", "text": "the next day."}, {"start": "00:51:43", "end": "00:51:46", "text": ">> Buy some property. You're buying"}, {"start": "00:51:44", "end": "00:51:48", "text": "property at this point."}, {"start": "00:51:46", "end": "00:51:50", "text": ">> Get a petting llama zoo."}, {"start": "00:51:48", "end": "00:51:51", "text": ">> You can't sell the llamas though because"}, {"start": "00:51:50", "end": "00:51:52", "text": "you have to keep them. That's part of"}, {"start": "00:51:51", "end": "00:51:55", "text": "the"}, {"start": "00:51:52", "end": "00:51:59", "text": ">> Yeah, use them llama milk. You can you"}, {"start": "00:51:55", "end": "00:51:59", "text": "can do um what what what did llama fur?"}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:02", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "00:51:59", "end": "00:52:04", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Yeah. Like yarn. We could"}, {"start": "00:52:02", "end": "00:52:05", "text": "sell it to yarn."}, {"start": "00:52:04", "end": "00:52:06", "text": ">> You can't destroy them."}, {"start": "00:52:05", "end": "00:52:08", "text": ">> This is a win. Allan, this is a win-win"}, {"start": "00:52:06", "end": "00:52:10", "text": "situation here, pal."}, {"start": "00:52:08", "end": "00:52:11", "text": ">> Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. You guys are"}, {"start": "00:52:10", "end": "00:52:14", "text": "saying all of the ways that you can"}, {"start": "00:52:11", "end": "00:52:16", "text": "monetize parts of the llama monetize the"}, {"start": "00:52:14", "end": "00:52:19", "text": "fit at all?"}, {"start": "00:52:16", "end": "00:52:21", "text": ">> Oh, we Okay, we know how you slobber and"}, {"start": "00:52:19", "end": "00:52:22", "text": "you salivate, dude. We've we've heard"}, {"start": "00:52:21", "end": "00:52:24", "text": "this. I think that's where your mind"}, {"start": "00:52:22", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "goes."}, {"start": "00:52:24", "end": "00:52:27", "text": "Yeah."}, {"start": "00:52:28", "end": "00:52:31", "text": ">> Yeah. If this goes back to the other"}, {"start": "00:52:29", "end": "00:52:32", "text": "would you rather where you get like it"}, {"start": "00:52:31", "end": "00:52:34", "text": "turns to currency, you'd be rolling in"}, {"start": "00:52:32", "end": "00:52:39", "text": "the money."}, {"start": "00:52:34", "end": "00:52:41", "text": ">> Um I'm going to say uh flip it forever."}, {"start": "00:52:39", "end": "00:52:42", "text": ">> Yeah. For once a day for the rest of my"}, {"start": "00:52:41", "end": "00:52:44", "text": "life. And then if you get tired of the"}, {"start": "00:52:42", "end": "00:52:46", "text": "llamas, if they're just if it's just too"}, {"start": "00:52:44", "end": "00:52:47", "text": "much to handle, then just figure out a"}, {"start": "00:52:46", "end": "00:52:49", "text": "way to destroy that coin."}, {"start": "00:52:47", "end": "00:52:49", "text": ">> Yeah. And then you have llama meat for"}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:51", "text": "years."}, {"start": "00:52:49", "end": "00:52:52", "text": ">> That in itself is going to be very"}, {"start": "00:52:51", "end": "00:52:54", "text": "difficult. You'd have to get a really"}, {"start": "00:52:52", "end": "00:52:56", "text": "hot fire, right?"}, {"start": "00:52:54", "end": "00:52:57", "text": ">> Yeah. Or just go to a volcano and cast"}, {"start": "00:52:56", "end": "00:52:59", "text": "it in."}, {"start": "00:52:57", "end": "00:53:00", "text": ">> Can you leave with the coin?"}, {"start": "00:52:59", "end": "00:53:02", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:53:00", "end": "00:53:03", "text": ">> I didn't know if the coin was bound to"}, {"start": "00:53:02", "end": "00:53:04", "text": "your home or something."}, {"start": "00:53:03", "end": "00:53:06", "text": ">> Of course not."}, {"start": "00:53:04", "end": "00:53:07", "text": ">> Does Lily think metal's indestructible?"}, {"start": "00:53:06", "end": "00:53:08", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "00:53:07", "end": "00:53:09", "text": ">> I think destroying a coin would be"}, {"start": "00:53:08", "end": "00:53:10", "text": "pretty easy."}, {"start": "00:53:09", "end": "00:53:11", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:10", "end": "00:53:12", "text": ">> It also depends on like what do you mean"}, {"start": "00:53:11", "end": "00:53:14", "text": "destroy, right?"}, {"start": "00:53:12", "end": "00:53:14", "text": ">> If it was a wooden coin, it'd be super"}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:16", "text": "easy."}, {"start": "00:53:14", "end": "00:53:17", "text": ">> Basilisk."}, {"start": "00:53:16", "end": "00:53:19", "text": ">> All right, Alan, we love you so much."}, {"start": "00:53:17", "end": "00:53:21", "text": "Thank you so much for the question."}, {"start": "00:53:19", "end": "00:53:24", "text": ">> Oh, sure. Have a good one. Hey, congrats"}, {"start": "00:53:21", "end": "00:53:27", "text": "me on being a dad."}, {"start": "00:53:24", "end": "00:53:28", "text": ">> Love you. Hey, Alan. Can I tell you one"}, {"start": "00:53:27", "end": "00:53:29", "text": "more thing?"}, {"start": "00:53:28", "end": "00:53:32", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:29", "end": "00:53:32", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "00:53:33", "end": "00:53:36", "text": ">> His voice sounded so AI. That was so"}, {"start": "00:53:35", "end": "00:53:37", "text": "weird. Like there was a pause."}, {"start": "00:53:36", "end": "00:53:37", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:39", "text": ">> Hello."}, {"start": "00:53:37", "end": "00:53:41", "text": ">> My phone is crapping out. Look at this."}, {"start": "00:53:39", "end": "00:53:42", "text": "It won't unlock."}, {"start": "00:53:41", "end": "00:53:44", "text": ">> Uhoh. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:53:42", "end": "00:53:46", "text": ">> good stuff."}, {"start": "00:53:44", "end": "00:53:47", "text": ">> Car going off."}, {"start": "00:53:46", "end": "00:53:50", "text": "Phone breaking."}, {"start": "00:53:47", "end": "00:53:51", "text": ">> They're watching you. shut up about"}, {"start": "00:53:50", "end": "00:53:52", "text": "these pastors."}, {"start": "00:53:51", "end": "00:53:54", "text": ">> They're watching you."}, {"start": "00:53:52", "end": "00:53:56", "text": ">> All right. What was the other question?"}, {"start": "00:53:54", "end": "00:53:58", "text": ">> Uh, okay. He said, \"It's a popular"}, {"start": "00:53:56", "end": "00:54:01", "text": "question. I've never heard it before.\""}, {"start": "00:53:58", "end": "00:54:03", "text": "Um, he said,"}, {"start": "00:54:01", "end": "00:54:05", "text": "\"Everyone in the world has to take a"}, {"start": "00:54:03", "end": "00:54:07", "text": "private vote by pressing a red or blue"}, {"start": "00:54:05", "end": "00:54:10", "text": "button. If more than 50% of people press"}, {"start": "00:54:07", "end": "00:54:13", "text": "the blue button, everyone survives. If"}, {"start": "00:54:10", "end": "00:54:15", "text": "less than 50% of people press the blue"}, {"start": "00:54:13", "end": "00:54:16", "text": "button, only people who press the red"}, {"start": "00:54:15", "end": "00:54:18", "text": "button survive. Which button would you"}, {"start": "00:54:16", "end": "00:54:19", "text": "press?\" And I'm like, \"Obviously, we're"}, {"start": "00:54:18", "end": "00:54:21", "text": "Christians. We would all push the blue"}, {"start": "00:54:19", "end": "00:54:23", "text": "button. We want everyone to survive. We"}, {"start": "00:54:21", "end": "00:54:24", "text": "would be self-sacrificial."}, {"start": "00:54:23", "end": "00:54:26", "text": ">> Yeah, that's"}, {"start": "00:54:24", "end": "00:54:28", "text": ">> were told the rules before or you just"}, {"start": "00:54:26", "end": "00:54:29", "text": "like are just does just buttons spawn in"}, {"start": "00:54:28", "end": "00:54:30", "text": "front of you and you just like I don't"}, {"start": "00:54:29", "end": "00:54:32", "text": "know. I'm going to push it."}, {"start": "00:54:30", "end": "00:54:33", "text": ">> I think you're told the rules before."}, {"start": "00:54:32", "end": "00:54:33", "text": ">> Then everyone would push the blue"}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:36", "text": "button."}, {"start": "00:54:33", "end": "00:54:38", "text": ">> Everyone needs to press the blue button."}, {"start": "00:54:36", "end": "00:54:40", "text": ">> But I guess people who are like maybe a"}, {"start": "00:54:38", "end": "00:54:42", "text": "little narcissistic and fearful would be"}, {"start": "00:54:40", "end": "00:54:43", "text": "like"}, {"start": "00:54:42", "end": "00:54:44", "text": ">> if I press a red button, I'm surviving"}, {"start": "00:54:43", "end": "00:54:47", "text": "no matter what."}, {"start": "00:54:44", "end": "00:54:49", "text": ">> Is that the majority or minority? think"}, {"start": "00:54:47", "end": "00:54:50", "text": ">> I would hope it's the minority."}, {"start": "00:54:49", "end": "00:54:51", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "00:54:50", "end": "00:54:52", "text": ">> I think it's the minority."}, {"start": "00:54:51", "end": "00:54:54", "text": ">> Yeah, I think so."}, {"start": "00:54:52", "end": "00:54:55", "text": ">> I'm still optimistic about the condition"}, {"start": "00:54:54", "end": "00:54:57", "text": "of the world."}, {"start": "00:54:55", "end": "00:54:58", "text": ">> I get confused with the rules and"}, {"start": "00:54:57", "end": "00:54:58", "text": "accidentally hit the red one."}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:54:58", "end": "00:55:02", "text": ">> Daddy, don't go dang it."}, {"start": "00:55:00", "end": "00:55:03", "text": ">> Aa asked me in the car this morning. She"}, {"start": "00:55:02", "end": "00:55:06", "text": "said, \"Do people still live in the"}, {"start": "00:55:03", "end": "00:55:08", "text": "jungle?\" And I was like, \"Yeah, some"}, {"start": "00:55:06", "end": "00:55:10", "text": "places.\" And she's like, \"Where?\" I was"}, {"start": "00:55:08", "end": "00:55:11", "text": "like, \"Oh, boy. I don't know.\" And"}, {"start": "00:55:10", "end": "00:55:12", "text": ">> the Amazon."}, {"start": "00:55:11", "end": "00:55:16", "text": ">> That's what I told her, the Amazon. And"}, {"start": "00:55:12", "end": "00:55:18", "text": "I was like, Aydah, you live in a very um"}, {"start": "00:55:16", "end": "00:55:20", "text": "particular part of the world where we're"}, {"start": "00:55:18", "end": "00:55:22", "text": "one of the most advanced nations, but"}, {"start": "00:55:20", "end": "00:55:23", "text": "the world is very big"}, {"start": "00:55:22", "end": "00:55:24", "text": ">> and people live very differently"}, {"start": "00:55:23", "end": "00:55:24", "text": "everywhere."}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:26", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:55:24", "end": "00:55:29", "text": ">> Speaking of the Amazon, did you see the"}, {"start": "00:55:26", "end": "00:55:30", "text": "two Marines who were canoeing?"}, {"start": "00:55:29", "end": "00:55:32", "text": ">> No. No."}, {"start": "00:55:30", "end": "00:55:34", "text": ">> Dude, this was crazy. Um I can't show"}, {"start": "00:55:32", "end": "00:55:36", "text": "the clip, but the dude's filming himself"}, {"start": "00:55:34", "end": "00:55:37", "text": "and he's like bleeding out his leg and"}, {"start": "00:55:36", "end": "00:55:39", "text": "his arm and he's like filming."}, {"start": "00:55:37", "end": "00:55:40", "text": "Apparently, they were like exploring a"}, {"start": "00:55:39", "end": "00:55:43", "text": "part of the Amazon and I don't know if"}, {"start": "00:55:40", "end": "00:55:45", "text": "it was uncontacted or like minimal uh"}, {"start": "00:55:43", "end": "00:55:47", "text": "but they cla or it was pirates is what"}, {"start": "00:55:45", "end": "00:55:50", "text": "they said like Amazon. They called them"}, {"start": "00:55:47", "end": "00:55:52", "text": "pirates but apparently they looked like"}, {"start": "00:55:50", "end": "00:55:53", "text": "an easy target. No weapons. They just"}, {"start": "00:55:52", "end": "00:55:56", "text": "had paddles but they're they're"}, {"start": "00:55:53", "end": "00:55:58", "text": "literally two Marines from a different I"}, {"start": "00:55:56", "end": "00:56:00", "text": "think it was Europe or some somewhere"}, {"start": "00:55:58", "end": "00:56:02", "text": "else. Anyways, and he's like oh he's"}, {"start": "00:56:00", "end": "00:56:04", "text": "like I just got shot. He's like I had to"}, {"start": "00:56:02", "end": "00:56:05", "text": "drown one of them. He was like the rest"}, {"start": "00:56:04", "end": "00:56:07", "text": "of them fled but apparently like they"}, {"start": "00:56:05", "end": "00:56:10", "text": "got lit up. I was like, \"How is this"}, {"start": "00:56:07", "end": "00:56:11", "text": "clip just chilling on the internet? You"}, {"start": "00:56:10", "end": "00:56:12", "text": "haven't seen this. I need to look into"}, {"start": "00:56:11", "end": "00:56:13", "text": "the full story.\""}, {"start": "00:56:12", "end": "00:56:15", "text": ">> Why was his buddy filming it?"}, {"start": "00:56:13", "end": "00:56:16", "text": ">> He's filming himself. He's like, \"I've"}, {"start": "00:56:15", "end": "00:56:19", "text": "been shot.\" He's like documenting what"}, {"start": "00:56:16", "end": "00:56:21", "text": "just happened. We just got attacked. And"}, {"start": "00:56:19", "end": "00:56:23", "text": "he was like, \"But you know the story"}, {"start": "00:56:21", "end": "00:56:24", "text": "goes like they just looked like two"}, {"start": "00:56:23", "end": "00:56:26", "text": "dudes who didn't belong without weapons"}, {"start": "00:56:24", "end": "00:56:28", "text": "and turns out they're like elite"}, {"start": "00:56:26", "end": "00:56:29", "text": "military or whatever.\""}, {"start": "00:56:28", "end": "00:56:30", "text": ">> Dang, that's funny."}, {"start": "00:56:29", "end": "00:56:31", "text": ">> I could do that, too."}, {"start": "00:56:30", "end": "00:56:32", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "00:56:31", "end": "00:56:34", "text": ">> Did I say funny?"}, {"start": "00:56:32", "end": "00:56:36", "text": ">> You did."}, {"start": "00:56:34", "end": "00:56:36", "text": ">> I might say that's wild. My brain's not"}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:37", "text": "working."}, {"start": "00:56:36", "end": "00:56:38", "text": ">> That's so funny."}, {"start": "00:56:37", "end": "00:56:40", "text": ">> I was thinking about these chicks. Did"}, {"start": "00:56:38", "end": "00:56:43", "text": "you see the clip of the chicks that were"}, {"start": "00:56:40", "end": "00:56:44", "text": "swimming in the Amazon River? All the"}, {"start": "00:56:43", "end": "00:56:46", "text": "comments are like, \"I thought we as a"}, {"start": "00:56:44", "end": "00:56:48", "text": "collective decided that there was an"}, {"start": "00:56:46", "end": "00:56:51", "text": "unswimable body of water.\""}, {"start": "00:56:48", "end": "00:56:52", "text": ">> I saw one person swimming. Uh they like"}, {"start": "00:56:51", "end": "00:56:54", "text": "taken like an excursion. It was like in"}, {"start": "00:56:52", "end": "00:56:56", "text": "the Amazon, but it was like one of those"}, {"start": "00:56:54", "end": "00:56:58", "text": "the pink dolphins, the very scary ones,"}, {"start": "00:56:56", "end": "00:57:00", "text": "like the river dolphins. And she was"}, {"start": "00:56:58", "end": "00:57:01", "text": "just like, \"Nope.\" And she's just"}, {"start": "00:57:00", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "instantly walking out and then it pans"}, {"start": "00:57:01", "end": "00:57:03", "text": "over and it's like the scariest dolphin"}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:04", "text": "in the world."}, {"start": "00:57:03", "end": "00:57:06", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. It's like you think, \"Oh,"}, {"start": "00:57:04", "end": "00:57:08", "text": "I'm going to go swim with the dolphins."}, {"start": "00:57:06", "end": "00:57:09", "text": "It's going to be so cute.\" Terrifying."}, {"start": "00:57:08", "end": "00:57:10", "text": ">> Hey, hit us with that beat."}, {"start": "00:57:09", "end": "00:57:12", "text": ">> Hit us with what beat."}, {"start": "00:57:10", "end": "00:57:13", "text": ">> This beat."}, {"start": "00:57:12", "end": "00:57:15", "text": ">> Oh. Oh,"}, {"start": "00:57:13", "end": "00:57:16", "text": ">> this beat right here."}, {"start": "00:57:15", "end": "00:57:17", "text": ">> Andrew"}, {"start": "00:57:16", "end": "00:57:18", "text": ">> gota"}, {"start": "00:57:17", "end": "00:57:20", "text": ">> real."}, {"start": "00:57:18", "end": "00:57:22", "text": ">> Andrew gota"}, {"start": "00:57:20", "end": "00:57:24", "text": ">> real"}, {"start": "00:57:22", "end": "00:57:25", "text": "shadow"}, {"start": "00:57:24", "end": "00:57:26", "text": ">> right now."}, {"start": "00:57:25", "end": "00:57:30", "text": ">> Right now."}, {"start": "00:57:26", "end": "00:57:30", "text": ">> Show us."}, {"start": "00:57:31", "end": "00:57:34", "text": ">> Good song, guys. This is uh"}, {"start": "00:57:33", "end": "00:57:36", "text": ">> Oh gosh."}, {"start": "00:57:34", "end": "00:57:37", "text": ">> This is a hard one. You're gonna You've"}, {"start": "00:57:36", "end": "00:57:37", "text": "seen it."}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:39", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:57:37", "end": "00:57:41", "text": ">> Uh you It needs It needs audio"}, {"start": "00:57:39", "end": "00:57:42", "text": ">> here. Toss me that cord Andy or you do"}, {"start": "00:57:41", "end": "00:57:44", "text": "the chord."}, {"start": "00:57:42", "end": "00:57:48", "text": ">> I don't want to watch this."}, {"start": "00:57:44", "end": "00:57:51", "text": ">> I don't want to watch this right now."}, {"start": "00:57:48", "end": "00:57:53", "text": ">> As someone who just had a filling"}, {"start": "00:57:51", "end": "00:57:54", "text": "breakout, this was hard for me to"}, {"start": "00:57:53", "end": "00:57:56", "text": ">> You had a filling breakout."}, {"start": "00:57:54", "end": "00:57:56", "text": ">> I did. I had a"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:57:58", "text": ">> break out"}, {"start": "00:57:56", "end": "00:58:00", "text": ">> corner of my tooth cracked off when I"}, {"start": "00:57:58", "end": "00:58:02", "text": "had a rock in my rice. Oh, there"}, {"start": "00:58:00", "end": "00:58:02", "text": ">> a rock in your Why'd you have a rock in"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:04", "text": "your rice?"}, {"start": "00:58:02", "end": "00:58:08", "text": ">> Didn't wash it good enough, apparently."}, {"start": "00:58:04", "end": "00:58:10", "text": ">> Why are you chewing your rice so hard"}, {"start": "00:58:08", "end": "00:58:11", "text": "that you broke a filling when you were"}, {"start": "00:58:10", "end": "00:58:13", "text": "chewing your rice? Cuz you got to be"}, {"start": "00:58:11", "end": "00:58:15", "text": "like doing this."}, {"start": "00:58:13", "end": "00:58:17", "text": ">> All I'm"}, {"start": "00:58:15", "end": "00:58:18", "text": "You've never bent down on something and"}, {"start": "00:58:17", "end": "00:58:21", "text": "been like, \"Ow,"}, {"start": "00:58:18", "end": "00:58:23", "text": ">> not rice. Rice is a soft food. You're"}, {"start": "00:58:21", "end": "00:58:28", "text": "like this with rice."}, {"start": "00:58:23", "end": "00:58:28", "text": ">> I eat more.\" Okay."}, {"start": "00:58:28", "end": "00:58:35", "text": ">> Why are you two rice soft? All right."}, {"start": "00:58:30", "end": "00:58:35", "text": "Three, two, one."}, {"start": "00:58:36", "end": "00:58:43", "text": ">> Oh, there's no"}, {"start": "00:58:37", "end": "00:58:43", "text": ">> Oh my goodness. Why is he doing that?"}, {"start": "00:58:46", "end": "00:58:52", "text": ">> Oh."}, {"start": "00:58:49", "end": "00:58:52", "text": ">> Oh, why?"}, {"start": "00:58:54", "end": "00:58:56", "text": ">> I have no idea what's going on."}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:58:59", "text": ">> What is"}, {"start": "00:58:56", "end": "00:59:00", "text": ">> drinking somewhere? There's better ways"}, {"start": "00:58:59", "end": "00:59:02", "text": "to do that."}, {"start": "00:59:00", "end": "00:59:03", "text": ">> I don't know whe that guy."}, {"start": "00:59:02", "end": "00:59:04", "text": ">> He's trying to get stuff out of the"}, {"start": "00:59:03", "end": "00:59:04", "text": "tree."}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:07", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "00:59:04", "end": "00:59:09", "text": ">> Or is he sharpening his teeth?"}, {"start": "00:59:07", "end": "00:59:11", "text": ">> I don't think that"}, {"start": "00:59:09", "end": "00:59:11", "text": "cuz at the end he's like sucking on the"}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:13", "text": "tree."}, {"start": "00:59:11", "end": "00:59:14", "text": ">> He's blowing"}, {"start": "00:59:13", "end": "00:59:16", "text": ">> blowing. It looks like looks like a"}, {"start": "00:59:14", "end": "00:59:19", "text": "sucking."}, {"start": "00:59:16", "end": "00:59:21", "text": ">> This is crazy. That is a why. Why would"}, {"start": "00:59:19", "end": "00:59:22", "text": "he do that? Why would he do that?"}, {"start": "00:59:21", "end": "00:59:25", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:59:22", "end": "00:59:27", "text": ">> That is no fun at all whatsoever. Want"}, {"start": "00:59:25", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "to hear a really fast World War II"}, {"start": "00:59:27", "end": "00:59:28", "text": "story?"}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:30", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:59:28", "end": "00:59:33", "text": ">> Cool. Uh, during World War II, Germans"}, {"start": "00:59:30", "end": "00:59:34", "text": "built a fake wooden airfield."}, {"start": "00:59:33", "end": "00:59:36", "text": "Apparently, they were trying to seem"}, {"start": "00:59:34", "end": "00:59:38", "text": "like their operation was bigger than it"}, {"start": "00:59:36", "end": "00:59:40", "text": "was. Um, they built hangers, planes,"}, {"start": "00:59:38", "end": "00:59:43", "text": "like the whole nine. So, from the sky,"}, {"start": "00:59:40", "end": "00:59:46", "text": "it looked like, you know, a military op."}, {"start": "00:59:43", "end": "00:59:48", "text": "Apparently, uh, the opposition, the RAF,"}, {"start": "00:59:46", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "which anyone know what that is? RAF,"}, {"start": "00:59:48", "end": "00:59:49", "text": "Royal Air Force, maybe."}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:52", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "00:59:49", "end": "00:59:54", "text": ">> I think so. um knew about the secret"}, {"start": "00:59:52", "end": "00:59:55", "text": "project for months, let them build it,"}, {"start": "00:59:54", "end": "00:59:59", "text": "and then once they finally finished it,"}, {"start": "00:59:55", "end": "01:00:01", "text": "they dropped a wooden bomb on it."}, {"start": "00:59:59", "end": "01:00:03", "text": "There's a photo of the bomb. That's"}, {"start": "01:00:01", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "awesome. That was like, \"Congrats on all"}, {"start": "01:00:03", "end": "01:00:05", "text": "your work. We're going to completely"}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:06", "text": "troll it.\""}, {"start": "01:00:05", "end": "01:00:08", "text": ">> That's a gift."}, {"start": "01:00:06", "end": "01:00:08", "text": ">> They just did they just did fun stuff"}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:10", "text": "back then."}, {"start": "01:00:08", "end": "01:00:11", "text": ">> They did. At least"}, {"start": "01:00:10", "end": "01:00:14", "text": ">> was fun back then."}, {"start": "01:00:11", "end": "01:00:15", "text": ">> They You know what? Sure, there's some"}, {"start": "01:00:14", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "bad things, but at least they had some"}, {"start": "01:00:15", "end": "01:00:16", "text": "fun."}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:17", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:16", "end": "01:00:18", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:17", "end": "01:00:20", "text": ">> Absolutely."}, {"start": "01:00:18", "end": "01:00:21", "text": ">> Um speaking of not having fun though."}, {"start": "01:00:20", "end": "01:00:23", "text": "Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:00:21", "end": "01:00:23", "text": ">> the cruise."}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:26", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:00:23", "end": "01:00:28", "text": ">> Tell me about it. What's going on?"}, {"start": "01:00:26", "end": "01:00:30", "text": ">> Obviously, by the time this comes out,"}, {"start": "01:00:28", "end": "01:00:31", "text": "it'll be a very different story."}, {"start": "01:00:30", "end": "01:00:33", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:00:31", "end": "01:00:35", "text": ">> Hopefully not."}, {"start": "01:00:33", "end": "01:00:37", "text": ">> There's this cruise that departed from"}, {"start": "01:00:35", "end": "01:00:38", "text": "Argentina."}, {"start": "01:00:37", "end": "01:00:40", "text": ">> Argentina."}, {"start": "01:00:38", "end": "01:00:42", "text": ">> Um, and it was this How many passengers"}, {"start": "01:00:40", "end": "01:00:43", "text": "were on it? Like 300 or something."}, {"start": "01:00:42", "end": "01:00:46", "text": ">> No, less than that. Like 170."}, {"start": "01:00:43", "end": "01:00:48", "text": ">> Okay. 170 passengers. And it was"}, {"start": "01:00:46", "end": "01:00:50", "text": "basically like a world exploratory"}, {"start": "01:00:48", "end": "01:00:53", "text": "cruise. So they went to like islands off"}, {"start": "01:00:50", "end": "01:00:54", "text": "of Antarctica and they're just basically"}, {"start": "01:00:53", "end": "01:00:55", "text": "cruising around the world."}, {"start": "01:00:54", "end": "01:01:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:00:55", "end": "01:01:04", "text": ">> And um someone got on that ship"}, {"start": "01:01:00", "end": "01:01:06", "text": "that was carrying what is known as the"}, {"start": "01:01:04", "end": "01:01:07", "text": "Hun virus."}, {"start": "01:01:06", "end": "01:01:10", "text": ">> Oh, Hunter."}, {"start": "01:01:07", "end": "01:01:12", "text": ">> Can I stop you right there? Do we know"}, {"start": "01:01:10", "end": "01:01:15", "text": "that they had it when they got on or did"}, {"start": "01:01:12", "end": "01:01:18", "text": "they contract it while on board? The"}, {"start": "01:01:15", "end": "01:01:19", "text": "news I saw is that they found the exact"}, {"start": "01:01:18", "end": "01:01:20", "text": "location in Argentina where they"}, {"start": "01:01:19", "end": "01:01:22", "text": "contracted it."}, {"start": "01:01:20", "end": "01:01:22", "text": ">> No way. Wow."}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:24", "text": ">> Grounds."}, {"start": "01:01:22", "end": "01:01:29", "text": ">> Because of rat poopy."}, {"start": "01:01:24", "end": "01:01:31", "text": ">> Haunt virus is a disease from rodents."}, {"start": "01:01:29", "end": "01:01:33", "text": "And from what they're saying, the"}, {"start": "01:01:31", "end": "01:01:37", "text": "mortality rate of haunt virus is"}, {"start": "01:01:33", "end": "01:01:39", "text": "anywhere between 30 and 50%."}, {"start": "01:01:37", "end": "01:01:40", "text": "30 and 50% mortality rate."}, {"start": "01:01:39", "end": "01:01:41", "text": ">> Not good."}, {"start": "01:01:40", "end": "01:01:42", "text": ">> Nope."}, {"start": "01:01:41", "end": "01:01:45", "text": ">> Not good odds. So"}, {"start": "01:01:42", "end": "01:01:46", "text": ">> haunt for your rest of your life."}, {"start": "01:01:45", "end": "01:01:46", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:48", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:01:46", "end": "01:01:52", "text": ">> That's bubonic plague style stuff."}, {"start": "01:01:48", "end": "01:01:55", "text": ">> So they said it's very rare for haunt"}, {"start": "01:01:52", "end": "01:01:56", "text": "virus to be um"}, {"start": "01:01:55", "end": "01:01:58", "text": ">> shared."}, {"start": "01:01:56", "end": "01:01:59", "text": ">> Yeah. You can't typically contract it"}, {"start": "01:01:58", "end": "01:02:00", "text": "from person to person. It's typically"}, {"start": "01:01:59", "end": "01:02:02", "text": "from the rodent."}, {"start": "01:02:00", "end": "01:02:02", "text": ">> Okay. So it stops usually with the"}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:04", "text": "person."}, {"start": "01:02:02", "end": "01:02:06", "text": ">> Yeah. But it didn't."}, {"start": "01:02:04", "end": "01:02:08", "text": ">> Okay. So it's a variation"}, {"start": "01:02:06", "end": "01:02:09", "text": ">> on this cruise. It's adapting."}, {"start": "01:02:08", "end": "01:02:14", "text": ">> Three people died."}, {"start": "01:02:09", "end": "01:02:16", "text": ">> OH MY GOSH. And so what happened was"}, {"start": "01:02:14", "end": "01:02:19", "text": "they basically went to I believe it was"}, {"start": "01:02:16", "end": "01:02:20", "text": "not the Canary Islands. No, they were"}, {"start": "01:02:19", "end": "01:02:22", "text": "going to go to the Canary Islands, but"}, {"start": "01:02:20", "end": "01:02:23", "text": "they stopped at an island off the coast"}, {"start": "01:02:22", "end": "01:02:24", "text": "of Africa."}, {"start": "01:02:23", "end": "01:02:25", "text": ">> Because they're like people are dying."}, {"start": "01:02:24", "end": "01:02:27", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:02:25", "end": "01:02:30", "text": ">> people are dying. And people are like,"}, {"start": "01:02:27", "end": "01:02:31", "text": "\"Do not come to port. Do not come to"}, {"start": "01:02:30", "end": "01:02:32", "text": "port."}, {"start": "01:02:31", "end": "01:02:35", "text": ">> You guys are infected.\""}, {"start": "01:02:32", "end": "01:02:37", "text": ">> And there's one guy"}, {"start": "01:02:35", "end": "01:02:38", "text": ">> that's been posting social media stuff"}, {"start": "01:02:37", "end": "01:02:40", "text": "from this cruise."}, {"start": "01:02:38", "end": "01:02:41", "text": ">> One person. one person, which is that's"}, {"start": "01:02:40", "end": "01:02:42", "text": "it's weird."}, {"start": "01:02:41", "end": "01:02:44", "text": ">> The guy in the green shirt, right?"}, {"start": "01:02:42", "end": "01:02:45", "text": ">> Yes. Yes. I saw you saw that. Yeah, I"}, {"start": "01:02:44", "end": "01:02:46", "text": "saw a short video. Looked like he was"}, {"start": "01:02:45", "end": "01:02:47", "text": "reading a script."}, {"start": "01:02:46", "end": "01:02:48", "text": ">> Jake or something, right? Yeah, it did"}, {"start": "01:02:47", "end": "01:02:49", "text": "look like he was reading a script,"}, {"start": "01:02:48", "end": "01:02:50", "text": "didn't it?"}, {"start": "01:02:49", "end": "01:02:51", "text": ">> Looking off, reading and then kind"}, {"start": "01:02:50", "end": "01:02:53", "text": "looking back at the camera. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:02:51", "end": "01:02:56", "text": ">> But then it's like then he like was told"}, {"start": "01:02:53", "end": "01:02:58", "text": "that he can no longer release"}, {"start": "01:02:56", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "information or do interviews, stuff like"}, {"start": "01:02:58", "end": "01:02:59", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:00", "text": ">> Which is weird."}, {"start": "01:02:59", "end": "01:03:01", "text": ">> Totally."}, {"start": "01:03:00", "end": "01:03:03", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:03:01", "end": "01:03:06", "text": ">> where is he? He's from Argentina."}, {"start": "01:03:03", "end": "01:03:07", "text": ">> No, he's from I don't know the US, I"}, {"start": "01:03:06", "end": "01:03:07", "text": "think."}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:09", "text": ">> Right. Right."}, {"start": "01:03:07", "end": "01:03:11", "text": ">> His name is Jake."}, {"start": "01:03:09", "end": "01:03:13", "text": ">> Yeah, you asked."}, {"start": "01:03:11", "end": "01:03:13", "text": ">> People in other countries can't be named"}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:14", "text": "Jake."}, {"start": "01:03:13", "end": "01:03:16", "text": ">> It's very rare, I feel like."}, {"start": "01:03:14", "end": "01:03:17", "text": ">> What about England? He was like he was"}, {"start": "01:03:16", "end": "01:03:18", "text": "something."}, {"start": "01:03:17", "end": "01:03:20", "text": ">> He's British or something."}, {"start": "01:03:18", "end": "01:03:21", "text": ">> Your name is William if you're from"}, {"start": "01:03:20", "end": "01:03:23", "text": "England."}, {"start": "01:03:21", "end": "01:03:26", "text": ">> Anyways,"}, {"start": "01:03:23", "end": "01:03:28", "text": "um but these people are talking about"}, {"start": "01:03:26", "end": "01:03:30", "text": "like the news is really building up, but"}, {"start": "01:03:28", "end": "01:03:32", "text": "they're also like don't freak out. Like"}, {"start": "01:03:30", "end": "01:03:34", "text": ">> it's very rare for people to contract"}, {"start": "01:03:32", "end": "01:03:36", "text": "this, but also if you get it, you'll"}, {"start": "01:03:34", "end": "01:03:38", "text": "die."}, {"start": "01:03:36", "end": "01:03:38", "text": ">> Don't freak out. have a chance you will"}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:41", "text": "be dead."}, {"start": "01:03:38", "end": "01:03:42", "text": ">> Also, these countries are like, \"No, you"}, {"start": "01:03:41", "end": "01:03:44", "text": "can't port. You can't put the boat"}, {"start": "01:03:42", "end": "01:03:45", "text": "here.\" But then they're like, \"Okay, the"}, {"start": "01:03:44", "end": "01:03:47", "text": "Canary Islands, you can go there.\" And"}, {"start": "01:03:45", "end": "01:03:48", "text": "the Canary Islands are like, they said"}, {"start": "01:03:47", "end": "01:03:49", "text": "they said, \"No.\""}, {"start": "01:03:48", "end": "01:03:51", "text": ">> Yeah. Why us?"}, {"start": "01:03:49", "end": "01:03:51", "text": ">> I'm sorry. No, you are not allowed to do"}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:54", "text": "that."}, {"start": "01:03:51", "end": "01:03:56", "text": ">> And I think they're they ended up being"}, {"start": "01:03:54", "end": "01:03:58", "text": "able to go to Spain,"}, {"start": "01:03:56", "end": "01:04:00", "text": ">> I believe,"}, {"start": "01:03:58", "end": "01:04:03", "text": ">> undocked. And so people that were on it,"}, {"start": "01:04:00", "end": "01:04:05", "text": "they dispersed. They all flew home."}, {"start": "01:04:03", "end": "01:04:06", "text": ">> But they first brought the diseased"}, {"start": "01:04:05", "end": "01:04:09", "text": "ones."}, {"start": "01:04:06", "end": "01:04:11", "text": "the ones that had the disease that had"}, {"start": "01:04:09", "end": "01:04:13", "text": "not died yet. Yeah. I think they brought"}, {"start": "01:04:11", "end": "01:04:14", "text": "them to Germany and stuff."}, {"start": "01:04:13", "end": "01:04:16", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "01:04:14", "end": "01:04:18", "text": ">> And like I mean these dudes are in like"}, {"start": "01:04:16", "end": "01:04:20", "text": "hazmat suits and it's like well if it's"}, {"start": "01:04:18", "end": "01:04:22", "text": "not that scary why are we why don't we"}, {"start": "01:04:20", "end": "01:04:22", "text": ">> Well, it's probably like a new variation"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:23", "text": "like what?"}, {"start": "01:04:22", "end": "01:04:24", "text": ">> Well that's what they're saying. There's"}, {"start": "01:04:23", "end": "01:04:25", "text": "no cure for it."}, {"start": "01:04:24", "end": "01:04:26", "text": ">> Yeah. There's no cure. There's no"}, {"start": "01:04:25", "end": "01:04:27", "text": "vaccine. There's no"}, {"start": "01:04:26", "end": "01:04:28", "text": ">> So it's a coin flip whether you're going"}, {"start": "01:04:27", "end": "01:04:28", "text": "to die or not. There's nothing we can do"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:31", "text": "about it,"}, {"start": "01:04:28", "end": "01:04:32", "text": ">> right? And it starts the problem with"}, {"start": "01:04:31", "end": "01:04:34", "text": "sending these people all over the world"}, {"start": "01:04:32", "end": "01:04:37", "text": "is that it takes like 10 days to"}, {"start": "01:04:34", "end": "01:04:38", "text": "incubate. So you can have it and not"}, {"start": "01:04:37", "end": "01:04:40", "text": "know for like 10 days."}, {"start": "01:04:38", "end": "01:04:42", "text": ">> Yeah, it's dormant for a while"}, {"start": "01:04:40", "end": "01:04:44", "text": ">> and then um it's like a pulmonary thing"}, {"start": "01:04:42", "end": "01:04:47", "text": "and then you start throwing up and"}, {"start": "01:04:44", "end": "01:04:48", "text": "basically your lungs fill with fluid."}, {"start": "01:04:47", "end": "01:04:50", "text": ">> So you're drowning to death."}, {"start": "01:04:48", "end": "01:04:52", "text": ">> You're drowning and you go into shock."}, {"start": "01:04:50", "end": "01:04:54", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "01:04:52", "end": "01:04:55", "text": ">> And then you die."}, {"start": "01:04:54", "end": "01:04:57", "text": ">> That's not fun."}, {"start": "01:04:55", "end": "01:04:59", "text": ">> So this is not one that I'm particularly"}, {"start": "01:04:57", "end": "01:05:00", "text": "interested in catching"}, {"start": "01:04:59", "end": "01:05:01", "text": ">> of all the viruses."}, {"start": "01:05:00", "end": "01:05:03", "text": ">> It's reminding me a lot of the movie"}, {"start": "01:05:01", "end": "01:05:06", "text": "Contagion. You remember that movie with"}, {"start": "01:05:03", "end": "01:05:07", "text": ">> Yeah. What's your face? Your crush, Kate"}, {"start": "01:05:06", "end": "01:05:08", "text": "Winslett."}, {"start": "01:05:07", "end": "01:05:10", "text": ">> My crush?"}, {"start": "01:05:08", "end": "01:05:11", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:05:10", "end": "01:05:12", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:05:11", "end": "01:05:13", "text": ">> You got a lot of crushes you were just"}, {"start": "01:05:12", "end": "01:05:14", "text": "telling me about."}, {"start": "01:05:13", "end": "01:05:17", "text": ">> Dude, you want to hear about case one"}, {"start": "01:05:14", "end": "01:05:17", "text": "and case two, people who passed away?"}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:19", "text": ">> Sure."}, {"start": "01:05:17", "end": "01:05:21", "text": ">> This is on the World Health"}, {"start": "01:05:19", "end": "01:05:21", "text": "Organization's website. Take it as you"}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:22", "text": "will."}, {"start": "01:05:21", "end": "01:05:25", "text": ">> Who?"}, {"start": "01:05:22", "end": "01:05:26", "text": ">> Who? Uh, case one, adult male developed"}, {"start": "01:05:25", "end": "01:05:28", "text": "symptoms of fever and headache and mild"}, {"start": "01:05:26", "end": "01:05:30", "text": "diarrhea on April 6th while on board the"}, {"start": "01:05:28", "end": "01:05:33", "text": "ship. April 11th, it developed to"}, {"start": "01:05:30", "end": "01:05:35", "text": "respiratory distress and they died on"}, {"start": "01:05:33", "end": "01:05:36", "text": "board the same day. No microbiological"}, {"start": "01:05:35", "end": "01:05:39", "text": "tests were performed. The body of the"}, {"start": "01:05:36", "end": "01:05:41", "text": "passenger was removed from the vessel to"}, {"start": "01:05:39", "end": "01:05:44", "text": "St. Helena, which is a British overseas"}, {"start": "01:05:41", "end": "01:05:46", "text": "territory on the 24th. This is where it"}, {"start": "01:05:44", "end": "01:05:48", "text": "gets interesting. Case 2, an adult"}, {"start": "01:05:46", "end": "01:05:50", "text": "female who was in close contact with"}, {"start": "01:05:48", "end": "01:05:53", "text": "case one went ashore at St. Helena on"}, {"start": "01:05:50", "end": "01:05:55", "text": "April 24th with gastrointestinal"}, {"start": "01:05:53", "end": "01:05:58", "text": "symptoms. She subsequently deteriorated"}, {"start": "01:05:55", "end": "01:06:01", "text": "during a flight to Johannesburg, South"}, {"start": "01:05:58", "end": "01:06:03", "text": "Africa on the 25th of April. She later"}, {"start": "01:06:01", "end": "01:06:06", "text": "died upon arrival at the emergency"}, {"start": "01:06:03", "end": "01:06:09", "text": "department on the 26th. On May 4th, the"}, {"start": "01:06:06", "end": "01:06:12", "text": "case was subsequently confirmed by PCR"}, {"start": "01:06:09", "end": "01:06:14", "text": "with antivirus infection. Contact"}, {"start": "01:06:12", "end": "01:06:17", "text": "tracing for passengers on the flight has"}, {"start": "01:06:14", "end": "01:06:19", "text": "been initiated."}, {"start": "01:06:17", "end": "01:06:21", "text": ">> It's gone. It's spread, baby. Dude, did"}, {"start": "01:06:19", "end": "01:06:23", "text": "you ever do that project in like the"}, {"start": "01:06:21", "end": "01:06:26", "text": "fourth grade where it's chalera in"}, {"start": "01:06:23", "end": "01:06:28", "text": "England and you have to trace back who"}, {"start": "01:06:26", "end": "01:06:31", "text": "had it first or like where it came from"}, {"start": "01:06:28", "end": "01:06:33", "text": "to stop the spread of disease. Fun, by"}, {"start": "01:06:31", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "the way. It's a lot like these murder"}, {"start": "01:06:33", "end": "01:06:35", "text": "mystery things where it's like so like"}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:36", "text": "who done it."}, {"start": "01:06:35", "end": "01:06:37", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:06:36", "end": "01:06:38", "text": ">> Who got everybody sick?"}, {"start": "01:06:37", "end": "01:06:40", "text": ">> Interesting."}, {"start": "01:06:38", "end": "01:06:41", "text": ">> Uh and it was the water was poisoned"}, {"start": "01:06:40", "end": "01:06:42", "text": ">> because a rat fell in the water."}, {"start": "01:06:41", "end": "01:06:43", "text": ">> Oh, gross."}, {"start": "01:06:42", "end": "01:06:44", "text": ">> Took us like two weeks to get through"}, {"start": "01:06:43", "end": "01:06:46", "text": "this thing."}, {"start": "01:06:44", "end": "01:06:48", "text": ">> Here's a here's a fun thing."}, {"start": "01:06:46", "end": "01:06:50", "text": ">> Yeah. talking about demons prophesying."}, {"start": "01:06:48", "end": "01:06:50", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:51", "text": ">> Um,"}, {"start": "01:06:50", "end": "01:06:55", "text": ">> wait, but go back."}, {"start": "01:06:51", "end": "01:06:56", "text": ">> No, this is still in the Could you just"}, {"start": "01:06:55", "end": "01:06:59", "text": ">> I'm I'm listening."}, {"start": "01:06:56", "end": "01:07:00", "text": ">> Just listen."}, {"start": "01:06:59", "end": "01:07:03", "text": ">> There's someone on X"}, {"start": "01:07:00", "end": "01:07:04", "text": ">> that goes by Soothsayer."}, {"start": "01:07:03", "end": "01:07:08", "text": ">> Uhhuh."}, {"start": "01:07:04", "end": "01:07:09", "text": ">> Their handle is I am a soothsayer."}, {"start": "01:07:08", "end": "01:07:12", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:07:09", "end": "01:07:13", "text": ">> Um, they have four posts on their ex"}, {"start": "01:07:12", "end": "01:07:14", "text": "account."}, {"start": "01:07:13", "end": "01:07:18", "text": ">> Mhm. colleague"}, {"start": "01:07:14", "end": "01:07:20", "text": ">> their uh third post on exac account was"}, {"start": "01:07:18", "end": "01:07:24", "text": "they're all posted within"}, {"start": "01:07:20", "end": "01:07:29", "text": "seven days in 2022."}, {"start": "01:07:24", "end": "01:07:32", "text": "Um but his third post posted uh June"}, {"start": "01:07:29", "end": "01:07:35", "text": "11th 2022"}, {"start": "01:07:32", "end": "01:07:37", "text": "all he said was 2023"}, {"start": "01:07:35", "end": "01:07:39", "text": "Corona ended"}, {"start": "01:07:37", "end": "01:07:42", "text": "2026 hivirus."}, {"start": "01:07:39", "end": "01:07:43", "text": ">> Shut up right now. When did he post"}, {"start": "01:07:42", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "that?"}, {"start": "01:07:43", "end": "01:07:47", "text": "again. 2022."}, {"start": "01:07:47", "end": "01:07:50", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "01:07:50", "end": "01:07:55", "text": ">> So that's weird."}, {"start": "01:07:53", "end": "01:07:57", "text": ">> That is very strange. I'm looking up on"}, {"start": "01:07:55", "end": "01:08:01", "text": "Google Trends to see whenever"}, {"start": "01:07:57", "end": "01:08:02", "text": ">> virus started trending."}, {"start": "01:08:01", "end": "01:08:04", "text": ">> That's weird. Weird."}, {"start": "01:08:02", "end": "01:08:05", "text": ">> Yeah, I hate that."}, {"start": "01:08:04", "end": "01:08:06", "text": ">> Uh"}, {"start": "01:08:05", "end": "01:08:08", "text": ">> rats and ticks, dude."}, {"start": "01:08:06", "end": "01:08:13", "text": ">> Rats and ticks. But there was this one"}, {"start": "01:08:08", "end": "01:08:15", "text": "lady that uh Lily and I saw on Take a"}, {"start": "01:08:13", "end": "01:08:19", "text": "Duck and she's under the impression that"}, {"start": "01:08:15", "end": "01:08:22", "text": "this is all a manufactured scripted"}, {"start": "01:08:19", "end": "01:08:23", "text": "new Corona virus thing with the way that"}, {"start": "01:08:22", "end": "01:08:24", "text": "they're setting up the platform."}, {"start": "01:08:23", "end": "01:08:26", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:08:24", "end": "01:08:31", "text": ">> Yeah. She's the same one that um"}, {"start": "01:08:26", "end": "01:08:33", "text": "connected the ICE detention centers with"}, {"start": "01:08:31", "end": "01:08:35", "text": "um experimental."}, {"start": "01:08:33", "end": "01:08:36", "text": ">> Oh, really?"}, {"start": "01:08:35", "end": "01:08:38", "text": ">> She's very articulate. She's a really"}, {"start": "01:08:36", "end": "01:08:39", "text": "good researcher, by the way. She should"}, {"start": "01:08:38", "end": "01:08:42", "text": "be I mean like I think she's making a"}, {"start": "01:08:39", "end": "01:08:43", "text": "killing on her platforms, but like she"}, {"start": "01:08:42", "end": "01:08:45", "text": "should go into like law enforcement or"}, {"start": "01:08:43", "end": "01:08:48", "text": "something."}, {"start": "01:08:45", "end": "01:08:49", "text": ">> Um, so yeah, what are we going to do"}, {"start": "01:08:48", "end": "01:08:51", "text": "with that?"}, {"start": "01:08:49", "end": "01:08:53", "text": ">> We'll come up with a a cure."}, {"start": "01:08:51", "end": "01:08:55", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:08:53", "end": "01:08:56", "text": ">> You think AI I mean I I'm curious to"}, {"start": "01:08:55", "end": "01:08:57", "text": "know what AI is doing in the medical"}, {"start": "01:08:56", "end": "01:08:58", "text": "field."}, {"start": "01:08:57", "end": "01:09:00", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:08:58", "end": "01:09:00", "text": ">> Like you think we could be solving a ton"}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:02", "text": "of stuff."}, {"start": "01:09:00", "end": "01:09:03", "text": ">> They probably already figured it out,"}, {"start": "01:09:02", "end": "01:09:05", "text": "but then you got big pharma. They're"}, {"start": "01:09:03", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "like, \"No, you can't you can't post that"}, {"start": "01:09:05", "end": "01:09:07", "text": "stuff yet.\" That's what makes you"}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:09", "text": "wonder."}, {"start": "01:09:07", "end": "01:09:11", "text": ">> I want you guys to know that I was at"}, {"start": "01:09:09", "end": "01:09:14", "text": "like the first half of the show really"}, {"start": "01:09:11", "end": "01:09:16", "text": "at peace. This that was good. I'm now"}, {"start": "01:09:14", "end": "01:09:18", "text": "full panicked."}, {"start": "01:09:16", "end": "01:09:18", "text": ">> It's a deception though. Your your panic"}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:20", "text": "is a deception."}, {"start": "01:09:18", "end": "01:09:22", "text": ">> I'm not scared for me. I'm scared for my"}, {"start": "01:09:20", "end": "01:09:23", "text": "girls."}, {"start": "01:09:22", "end": "01:09:25", "text": ">> You're raising warriors."}, {"start": "01:09:23", "end": "01:09:27", "text": ">> Janie has weak lungs."}, {"start": "01:09:25", "end": "01:09:28", "text": "This is a lung disease."}, {"start": "01:09:27", "end": "01:09:30", "text": ">> Yep."}, {"start": "01:09:28", "end": "01:09:32", "text": ">> You're raising warriors."}, {"start": "01:09:30", "end": "01:09:33", "text": ">> But Janie has a strong spirit. M"}, {"start": "01:09:32", "end": "01:09:35", "text": ">> I don't want her to hear this and think"}, {"start": "01:09:33", "end": "01:09:36", "text": "that I think she has weak lungs. She"}, {"start": "01:09:35", "end": "01:09:37", "text": "does have weak lungs."}, {"start": "01:09:36", "end": "01:09:38", "text": ">> She's going to listen to this 20 years"}, {"start": "01:09:37", "end": "01:09:39", "text": "from now. Thought I had weak lungs."}, {"start": "01:09:38", "end": "01:09:41", "text": ">> What the heck, mom?"}, {"start": "01:09:39", "end": "01:09:42", "text": ">> She becomes an ultramarathoner"}, {"start": "01:09:41", "end": "01:09:45", "text": "just to prove you wrong."}, {"start": "01:09:42", "end": "01:09:46", "text": ">> Um so are they setting the stage for"}, {"start": "01:09:45", "end": "01:09:47", "text": "another outbreak?"}, {"start": "01:09:46", "end": "01:09:49", "text": ">> I don't think so."}, {"start": "01:09:47", "end": "01:09:52", "text": ">> That is a little I mean why wouldn't"}, {"start": "01:09:49", "end": "01:09:56", "text": "they though? Like why wouldn't they like"}, {"start": "01:09:52", "end": "01:09:58", "text": ">> cuz co was just like mortality rate was"}, {"start": "01:09:56", "end": "01:10:00", "text": "very small. Mhm."}, {"start": "01:09:58", "end": "01:10:02", "text": ">> I will say, you know, that right now the"}, {"start": "01:10:00", "end": "01:10:03", "text": "scientists are doing boop boop boop boop"}, {"start": "01:10:02", "end": "01:10:05", "text": "boop. With all the news lines going out,"}, {"start": "01:10:03", "end": "01:10:06", "text": "they're figuring out this antivirus"}, {"start": "01:10:05", "end": "01:10:08", "text": "cure."}, {"start": "01:10:06", "end": "01:10:11", "text": ">> Sure. But is it going to be a"}, {"start": "01:10:08", "end": "01:10:12", "text": ">> is it going to be like another forced"}, {"start": "01:10:11", "end": "01:10:13", "text": ">> vaccination thing?"}, {"start": "01:10:12", "end": "01:10:15", "text": ">> I might take this one,"}, {"start": "01:10:13", "end": "01:10:17", "text": ">> dude. We all got to get we all got to"}, {"start": "01:10:15", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "get blow dart guns because if there's a"}, {"start": "01:10:17", "end": "01:10:19", "text": "rat infestation,"}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:21", "text": "could be fun."}, {"start": "01:10:19", "end": "01:10:21", "text": ">> We get really good at slingshots."}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:24", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:10:21", "end": "01:10:25", "text": ">> I don't know where my slingshot went."}, {"start": "01:10:24", "end": "01:10:26", "text": ">> You gave me a slingshot. I don't know"}, {"start": "01:10:25", "end": "01:10:26", "text": "where it went."}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:27", "text": ">> Dang."}, {"start": "01:10:26", "end": "01:10:30", "text": ">> Can't find it. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:10:27", "end": "01:10:32", "text": ">> I really want to get good at it now. Um,"}, {"start": "01:10:30", "end": "01:10:34", "text": "it makes you wonder like if you know"}, {"start": "01:10:32", "end": "01:10:35", "text": "like think of like the UFO like the fake"}, {"start": "01:10:34", "end": "01:10:38", "text": "alien attack and stuff like that. It's"}, {"start": "01:10:35", "end": "01:10:39", "text": "like they released some type of virus"}, {"start": "01:10:38", "end": "01:10:42", "text": "out there."}, {"start": "01:10:39", "end": "01:10:44", "text": ">> Yeah, this haunt. It's not haunt virus."}, {"start": "01:10:42", "end": "01:10:47", "text": ">> It's from another It's from an asteroid"}, {"start": "01:10:44", "end": "01:10:48", "text": ">> and the aliens are coming for the to"}, {"start": "01:10:47", "end": "01:10:50", "text": "give us the cure. Y"}, {"start": "01:10:48", "end": "01:10:50", "text": ">> so take this injection."}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:51", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:10:50", "end": "01:10:52", "text": ">> Who is it?"}, {"start": "01:10:51", "end": "01:10:53", "text": ">> Lily."}, {"start": "01:10:52", "end": "01:10:54", "text": ">> No,"}, {"start": "01:10:53", "end": "01:10:56", "text": ">> I don't want to catch this."}, {"start": "01:10:54", "end": "01:10:58", "text": ">> Li, it's it's not real. There are a few"}, {"start": "01:10:56", "end": "01:11:01", "text": "things that I would"}, {"start": "01:10:58", "end": "01:11:03", "text": ">> I would inoculate against Ebola."}, {"start": "01:11:01", "end": "01:11:05", "text": ">> This I got you, Josh."}, {"start": "01:11:03", "end": "01:11:07", "text": ">> But they got to be tested."}, {"start": "01:11:05", "end": "01:11:11", "text": ">> Have you Who was it that just filed a"}, {"start": "01:11:07", "end": "01:11:13", "text": "patent um with the use of frequency? 5G"}, {"start": "01:11:11", "end": "01:11:16", "text": "is the argument where they can actually"}, {"start": "01:11:13", "end": "01:11:17", "text": "biologically activate cells. I forget"}, {"start": "01:11:16", "end": "01:11:18", "text": "the owner of this patent."}, {"start": "01:11:17", "end": "01:11:20", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:11:18", "end": "01:11:22", "text": ">> I looked into it. I just can't remember"}, {"start": "01:11:20", "end": "01:11:24", "text": "who it is. I can insert it later. I'll"}, {"start": "01:11:22", "end": "01:11:26", "text": "just put it up on the screen. So"}, {"start": "01:11:24", "end": "01:11:28", "text": "basically what happens is these cells"}, {"start": "01:11:26", "end": "01:11:30", "text": "are carriers and they figured out that"}, {"start": "01:11:28", "end": "01:11:33", "text": "you can use frequency to shed the"}, {"start": "01:11:30", "end": "01:11:36", "text": "exterior layer. So if you had something"}, {"start": "01:11:33", "end": "01:11:39", "text": "injected into you, they could activate"}, {"start": "01:11:36", "end": "01:11:41", "text": "it biologically change your structure or"}, {"start": "01:11:39", "end": "01:11:44", "text": "something within your system by use of"}, {"start": "01:11:41", "end": "01:11:46", "text": "frequency. So you could be a carrier of"}, {"start": "01:11:44", "end": "01:11:47", "text": "this unknown thing. It is a protein."}, {"start": "01:11:46", "end": "01:11:50", "text": "It's I looked it up. It's not the same"}, {"start": "01:11:47", "end": "01:11:51", "text": "spike protein that we had a few years"}, {"start": "01:11:50", "end": "01:11:52", "text": "ago. I'm trying to avoid buzzwords, but"}, {"start": "01:11:51", "end": "01:11:54", "text": ">> the haunt virus."}, {"start": "01:11:52", "end": "01:11:56", "text": ">> No, no, no, no, no. But the"}, {"start": "01:11:54", "end": "01:11:56", "text": ">> No, no, the other one that like shut"}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:11:58", "text": "everything down."}, {"start": "01:11:56", "end": "01:12:00", "text": ">> Yeah, I know. But I'm You're saying the"}, {"start": "01:11:58", "end": "01:12:01", "text": "the haunt virus has a protein or"}, {"start": "01:12:00", "end": "01:12:02", "text": "whatever."}, {"start": "01:12:01", "end": "01:12:04", "text": ">> I'm not talking about haunt virus at"}, {"start": "01:12:02", "end": "01:12:07", "text": "all. I'm just saying that the frequency"}, {"start": "01:12:04", "end": "01:12:09", "text": "with an injectable biological thing. So"}, {"start": "01:12:07", "end": "01:12:11", "text": "whatever whether it's you know the"}, {"start": "01:12:09", "end": "01:12:14", "text": "what's the tick one whether it's ticks"}, {"start": "01:12:11", "end": "01:12:15", "text": "or Yeah. Or no, the other one the the"}, {"start": "01:12:14", "end": "01:12:16", "text": "one that does meat."}, {"start": "01:12:15", "end": "01:12:17", "text": ">> Oh yeah, whatever."}, {"start": "01:12:16", "end": "01:12:19", "text": ">> It's a weird name."}, {"start": "01:12:17", "end": "01:12:20", "text": ">> Whatever. Alpha Gal."}, {"start": "01:12:19", "end": "01:12:23", "text": ">> Yeah, Alpha Gal. what whatever they're"}, {"start": "01:12:20", "end": "01:12:27", "text": "staging cuz it's just easy to hate on"}, {"start": "01:12:23", "end": "01:12:30", "text": "that. Um, but whatever they're staging,"}, {"start": "01:12:27", "end": "01:12:32", "text": "they now have the tech to where they can"}, {"start": "01:12:30", "end": "01:12:34", "text": "put something in you where the frequency"}, {"start": "01:12:32", "end": "01:12:36", "text": "sheds the outer layer. And so literally"}, {"start": "01:12:34", "end": "01:12:38", "text": "dormant carriers can exist in your"}, {"start": "01:12:36", "end": "01:12:41", "text": "system. The patent has just been filed."}, {"start": "01:12:38", "end": "01:12:43", "text": "And so that patent got filed and then"}, {"start": "01:12:41", "end": "01:12:44", "text": "this is this is like such a trust me bro"}, {"start": "01:12:43", "end": "01:12:47", "text": "segment because I'm really forgetting"}, {"start": "01:12:44", "end": "01:12:49", "text": "everything. But then they did there's a"}, {"start": "01:12:47", "end": "01:12:51", "text": "they they released more patent"}, {"start": "01:12:49", "end": "01:12:53", "text": "information on AirPods and what they're"}, {"start": "01:12:51", "end": "01:12:56", "text": "able to do with them. Like they actually"}, {"start": "01:12:53", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "map like electrodes. Um this like"}, {"start": "01:12:56", "end": "01:12:58", "text": "literally it's better than having your"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:00", "text": "brain"}, {"start": "01:12:58", "end": "01:13:02", "text": ">> hooked up with all the things with all"}, {"start": "01:13:00", "end": "01:13:04", "text": "the sensors. The fact that they like the"}, {"start": "01:13:02", "end": "01:13:06", "text": "the amount of intel that they take in,"}, {"start": "01:13:04", "end": "01:13:07", "text": "but a patent just got filed with them,"}, {"start": "01:13:06", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "too. So they're literally tracking all"}, {"start": "01:13:07", "end": "01:13:09", "text": "your biometrics just by wearing AirPods"}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:11", "text": "now."}, {"start": "01:13:09", "end": "01:13:14", "text": ">> Creepy. That patent got filed."}, {"start": "01:13:11", "end": "01:13:16", "text": ">> AirPods are bad. Apparently like wired"}, {"start": "01:13:14", "end": "01:13:17", "text": "headphones are like on the rise for the"}, {"start": "01:13:16", "end": "01:13:17", "text": "first time in like 10 years. Did you"}, {"start": "01:13:17", "end": "01:13:18", "text": "see?"}, {"start": "01:13:17", "end": "01:13:19", "text": ">> I use wired headphones."}, {"start": "01:13:18", "end": "01:13:21", "text": ">> I saw that segment and they're like,"}, {"start": "01:13:19", "end": "01:13:22", "text": "\"Oh, because they're just everyone wants"}, {"start": "01:13:21", "end": "01:13:24", "text": "to be nostalgic.\" I said, \"No, probably"}, {"start": "01:13:22", "end": "01:13:26", "text": "because people are like, I don't want to"}, {"start": "01:13:24", "end": "01:13:28", "text": "stuff a radioactive Bluetooth thing in"}, {"start": "01:13:26", "end": "01:13:31", "text": "my brain.\" Yeah. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:13:28", "end": "01:13:32", "text": ">> dude. I said the other day or it's"}, {"start": "01:13:31", "end": "01:13:33", "text": "always been said that the guy that"}, {"start": "01:13:32", "end": "01:13:34", "text": "invented Bluetooth doesn't even use"}, {"start": "01:13:33", "end": "01:13:36", "text": "Bluetooth headphones. And all these"}, {"start": "01:13:34", "end": "01:13:37", "text": "comments were like, \"That's false."}, {"start": "01:13:36", "end": "01:13:38", "text": "That's not true. Bluetooth doesn't do"}, {"start": "01:13:37", "end": "01:13:39", "text": "anything to you.\" It's like, \"What do"}, {"start": "01:13:38", "end": "01:13:41", "text": "you think it's doing, though? It's"}, {"start": "01:13:39", "end": "01:13:42", "text": "literally stuff passing through your"}, {"start": "01:13:41", "end": "01:13:44", "text": "noggin, dude. You're dome.\" Yeah. It's"}, {"start": "01:13:42", "end": "01:13:46", "text": "not It can't be good for you. No."}, {"start": "01:13:44", "end": "01:13:48", "text": ">> Whether it's, you know, like"}, {"start": "01:13:46", "end": "01:13:49", "text": ">> it's got to have some type of negative"}, {"start": "01:13:48", "end": "01:13:51", "text": "effect. It has to be."}, {"start": "01:13:49", "end": "01:13:52", "text": ">> Speaking of stuff that's not good for"}, {"start": "01:13:51", "end": "01:13:53", "text": "you."}, {"start": "01:13:52", "end": "01:13:56", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:13:53", "end": "01:13:58", "text": ">> I have been feeding my children organic"}, {"start": "01:13:56", "end": "01:13:59", "text": "strawberries since they were infants."}, {"start": "01:13:58", "end": "01:14:02", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:13:59", "end": "01:14:02", "text": ">> Driscoll organic strawberries."}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:02", "end": "01:14:05", "text": ">> Because in the offseason, that's the"}, {"start": "01:14:04", "end": "01:14:07", "text": "only people that's making them."}, {"start": "01:14:05", "end": "01:14:10", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:14:07", "end": "01:14:12", "text": ">> 12 different types of pesticides. It's"}, {"start": "01:14:10", "end": "01:14:13", "text": "literally that area. Driscoll Farms"}, {"start": "01:14:12", "end": "01:14:17", "text": ">> in California."}, {"start": "01:14:13", "end": "01:14:19", "text": ">> In California, it has a 35% increased"}, {"start": "01:14:17", "end": "01:14:20", "text": "rate of childhood cancer."}, {"start": "01:14:19", "end": "01:14:23", "text": ">> Holy crap."}, {"start": "01:14:20", "end": "01:14:25", "text": ">> Driscoll strawberries. Organic."}, {"start": "01:14:23", "end": "01:14:26", "text": ">> There's no such thing as organic."}, {"start": "01:14:25", "end": "01:14:27", "text": ">> In America,"}, {"start": "01:14:26", "end": "01:14:27", "text": ">> there's no such thing as organic in"}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:28", "text": "America."}, {"start": "01:14:27", "end": "01:14:29", "text": ">> There's no such thing."}, {"start": "01:14:28", "end": "01:14:32", "text": ">> Like even if like it might be a little"}, {"start": "01:14:29", "end": "01:14:34", "text": "bit more organic, like you know, like"}, {"start": "01:14:32", "end": "01:14:35", "text": "you can grow in your backyard, but still"}, {"start": "01:14:34", "end": "01:14:36", "text": "then you're talking about all the"}, {"start": "01:14:35", "end": "01:14:38", "text": "fertilizer, the stuff that's in the"}, {"start": "01:14:36", "end": "01:14:39", "text": "ground. You talk like, you know, the"}, {"start": "01:14:38", "end": "01:14:41", "text": "cows and what they're eating, whatever."}, {"start": "01:14:39", "end": "01:14:42", "text": "It's like you can get a little more"}, {"start": "01:14:41", "end": "01:14:43", "text": "organic, but there's no such thing as"}, {"start": "01:14:42", "end": "01:14:44", "text": "organic even,"}, {"start": "01:14:43", "end": "01:14:46", "text": ">> dude. Like even if you grow it at home,"}, {"start": "01:14:44", "end": "01:14:48", "text": "like what you're saying,"}, {"start": "01:14:46", "end": "01:14:48", "text": ">> it's all been treated Yeah. with"}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:49", "text": "garbage."}, {"start": "01:14:48", "end": "01:14:50", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:14:49", "end": "01:14:52", "text": ">> And"}, {"start": "01:14:50", "end": "01:14:56", "text": ">> even the corn in my corn feeders, the"}, {"start": "01:14:52", "end": "01:14:58", "text": "meat's not completely perfect."}, {"start": "01:14:56", "end": "01:15:00", "text": ">> I'm in a tizzy, you guys."}, {"start": "01:14:58", "end": "01:15:02", "text": ">> It's Yeah, it's nuts. We say it's wild."}, {"start": "01:15:00", "end": "01:15:03", "text": ">> Like literally Jesus, come back right"}, {"start": "01:15:02", "end": "01:15:05", "text": "now. But then we also we also get so"}, {"start": "01:15:03", "end": "01:15:08", "text": "worried about all that stuff. And then"}, {"start": "01:15:05", "end": "01:15:11", "text": "like my uh my mom's dad"}, {"start": "01:15:08", "end": "01:15:13", "text": ">> like ate a bologn sandwich on Wonder"}, {"start": "01:15:11", "end": "01:15:15", "text": "White bread with a Pepsi and a bag of"}, {"start": "01:15:13", "end": "01:15:16", "text": "Lays for lunch every day of his freaking"}, {"start": "01:15:15", "end": "01:15:18", "text": "life and he lived over 80."}, {"start": "01:15:16", "end": "01:15:20", "text": ">> Yeah, that's crazy. That's like my"}, {"start": "01:15:18", "end": "01:15:22", "text": "grandfather. Yeah, my my aunt says that"}, {"start": "01:15:20", "end": "01:15:23", "text": "my grandfather Voldemort came to get him"}, {"start": "01:15:22", "end": "01:15:25", "text": "that he just evaporated."}, {"start": "01:15:23", "end": "01:15:26", "text": ">> But that's the thing. It's like it"}, {"start": "01:15:25", "end": "01:15:28", "text": "doesn't matter like I don't I don't"}, {"start": "01:15:26", "end": "01:15:29", "text": "think longevity in life is the goal."}, {"start": "01:15:28", "end": "01:15:30", "text": "It's just like we don't want to be"}, {"start": "01:15:29", "end": "01:15:33", "text": "poisoned."}, {"start": "01:15:30", "end": "01:15:36", "text": ">> No. Yeah. or like sick or given junk"}, {"start": "01:15:33", "end": "01:15:36", "text": "that we don't want to eat. Don't lie to"}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:37", "text": "us."}, {"start": "01:15:36", "end": "01:15:39", "text": ">> Yeah. If I'm paying for organic"}, {"start": "01:15:37", "end": "01:15:41", "text": "strawberries, I don't want it to have"}, {"start": "01:15:39", "end": "01:15:42", "text": "garbage on it."}, {"start": "01:15:41", "end": "01:15:45", "text": ">> And it's just impossible to trust"}, {"start": "01:15:42", "end": "01:15:46", "text": "anything. I do think that it's better if"}, {"start": "01:15:45", "end": "01:15:48", "text": "you grow your own stuff because at least"}, {"start": "01:15:46", "end": "01:15:49", "text": "it's not getting sprayed with garbage."}, {"start": "01:15:48", "end": "01:15:51", "text": ">> Organic. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:15:49", "end": "01:15:53", "text": ">> Um and so that's what we'll be doing."}, {"start": "01:15:51", "end": "01:15:55", "text": ">> There has to be such a crazy cultural"}, {"start": "01:15:53", "end": "01:15:57", "text": "shift though. There's a it's Dave"}, {"start": "01:15:55", "end": "01:15:59", "text": "something or other bread. It's like the"}, {"start": "01:15:57", "end": "01:16:01", "text": "better bread in the grocery store. Um,"}, {"start": "01:15:59", "end": "01:16:02", "text": "and then Target's close to our house. We"}, {"start": "01:16:01", "end": "01:16:04", "text": "go to Target all the time, but then they"}, {"start": "01:16:02", "end": "01:16:06", "text": "got organic bananas and regular bananas."}, {"start": "01:16:04", "end": "01:16:08", "text": "And every time we buy the Dave's bread,"}, {"start": "01:16:06", "end": "01:16:09", "text": "I'm like looking at like the expiration"}, {"start": "01:16:08", "end": "01:16:11", "text": "date. I'm like, it expires in like 3"}, {"start": "01:16:09", "end": "01:16:13", "text": "days. Like I got to eat this whole loaf"}, {"start": "01:16:11", "end": "01:16:14", "text": "in three days. And then the bananas,"}, {"start": "01:16:13", "end": "01:16:16", "text": "too. It's like,"}, {"start": "01:16:14", "end": "01:16:19", "text": ">> no, you freeze the kind of bread."}, {"start": "01:16:16", "end": "01:16:20", "text": ">> Also, when did milk expiration become"}, {"start": "01:16:19", "end": "01:16:22", "text": "like two months out?"}, {"start": "01:16:20", "end": "01:16:23", "text": ">> Our organic milk"}, {"start": "01:16:22", "end": "01:16:23", "text": ">> does seem like it's getting longer,"}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:23", "text": "right?"}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:25", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:16:23", "end": "01:16:27", "text": ">> I've also have never had rotten eggs."}, {"start": "01:16:25", "end": "01:16:29", "text": ">> Oh, good. I literally was just talking"}, {"start": "01:16:27", "end": "01:16:31", "text": "to Ada about a rotten egg we opened in"}, {"start": "01:16:29", "end": "01:16:32", "text": "your house."}, {"start": "01:16:31", "end": "01:16:33", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:16:32", "end": "01:16:34", "text": ">> I've never had that. Maybe we just go"}, {"start": "01:16:33", "end": "01:16:35", "text": "through them too fast."}, {"start": "01:16:34", "end": "01:16:37", "text": ">> I know when it's rotten, too."}, {"start": "01:16:35", "end": "01:16:38", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"start": "01:16:37", "end": "01:16:40", "text": ">> The yolk was black."}, {"start": "01:16:38", "end": "01:16:41", "text": ">> Oh, no."}, {"start": "01:16:40", "end": "01:16:43", "text": ">> I've never Yeah, that's the thing. I"}, {"start": "01:16:41", "end": "01:16:45", "text": "even as a kid, I was like, I've never"}, {"start": "01:16:43", "end": "01:16:46", "text": "like I don't think I should try. I've"}, {"start": "01:16:45", "end": "01:16:48", "text": "never thought like, oh, these eggs are"}, {"start": "01:16:46", "end": "01:16:51", "text": "expired. It's like I've never had a bad"}, {"start": "01:16:48", "end": "01:16:53", "text": "egg. No, it's usually what would what"}, {"start": "01:16:51", "end": "01:16:55", "text": "would happen how we got a rotten egg is"}, {"start": "01:16:53", "end": "01:16:58", "text": "that we had chickens or it was um your"}, {"start": "01:16:55", "end": "01:17:00", "text": "mom's chickens and if it sits out in the"}, {"start": "01:16:58", "end": "01:17:01", "text": "coupe for too long and you don't collect"}, {"start": "01:17:00", "end": "01:17:03", "text": "it in Oh,"}, {"start": "01:17:01", "end": "01:17:04", "text": ">> also if you wash the egg and put it on"}, {"start": "01:17:03", "end": "01:17:04", "text": "your counter."}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:05", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:04", "end": "01:17:06", "text": ">> But and Yeah."}, {"start": "01:17:05", "end": "01:17:08", "text": ">> They'll make it go rotten."}, {"start": "01:17:06", "end": "01:17:09", "text": ">> If you wash them fresh,"}, {"start": "01:17:08", "end": "01:17:11", "text": ">> you got to keep them fresh and then when"}, {"start": "01:17:09", "end": "01:17:12", "text": "you're ready to cook it, then you wash"}, {"start": "01:17:11", "end": "01:17:14", "text": "the egg off."}, {"start": "01:17:12", "end": "01:17:15", "text": ">> Yeah. Interesting."}, {"start": "01:17:14", "end": "01:17:16", "text": ">> A protective blue."}, {"start": "01:17:15", "end": "01:17:17", "text": ">> You wash it before cooking."}, {"start": "01:17:16", "end": "01:17:19", "text": ">> Yeah. If it came straight out of a"}, {"start": "01:17:17", "end": "01:17:20", "text": "chicken from a chicken,"}, {"start": "01:17:19", "end": "01:17:22", "text": ">> you're cracking it on your skillet. You"}, {"start": "01:17:20", "end": "01:17:23", "text": "got all that stuff on the outside."}, {"start": "01:17:22", "end": "01:17:25", "text": ">> Crack it on the skillet. I just"}, {"start": "01:17:23", "end": "01:17:27", "text": "carefully crack it and open it."}, {"start": "01:17:25", "end": "01:17:27", "text": ">> You get a little chicken poop flake"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:28", "text": "flake in it"}, {"start": "01:17:27", "end": "01:17:30", "text": ">> on the side"}, {"start": "01:17:28", "end": "01:17:31", "text": ">> on your counter."}, {"start": "01:17:30", "end": "01:17:32", "text": ">> Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:17:31", "end": "01:17:33", "text": ">> I do that, too."}, {"start": "01:17:32", "end": "01:17:34", "text": ">> Nothing falls out."}, {"start": "01:17:33", "end": "01:17:35", "text": ">> Well, that's what I'm saying. But you"}, {"start": "01:17:34", "end": "01:17:36", "text": "wash it."}, {"start": "01:17:35", "end": "01:17:38", "text": ">> He's saying you don't wash it and then"}, {"start": "01:17:36", "end": "01:17:40", "text": "you're cracking."}, {"start": "01:17:38", "end": "01:17:41", "text": ">> You just It's only if you keep chickens."}, {"start": "01:17:40", "end": "01:17:42", "text": "If you buy"}, {"start": "01:17:41", "end": "01:17:45", "text": ">> My neighbor has My neighbor keeps"}, {"start": "01:17:42", "end": "01:17:47", "text": "chickens. I get fresh fresh eggs. Also,"}, {"start": "01:17:45", "end": "01:17:48", "text": "people that people that wash their"}, {"start": "01:17:47", "end": "01:17:51", "text": "chicken."}, {"start": "01:17:48", "end": "01:17:52", "text": ">> Yeah. Crazy. Wash your chicken, dude."}, {"start": "01:17:51", "end": "01:17:54", "text": ">> Oh, yeah. I saw that."}, {"start": "01:17:52", "end": "01:17:57", "text": ">> It's a huge thing. It's not like some"}, {"start": "01:17:54", "end": "01:17:58", "text": "people thousands upon thousands of"}, {"start": "01:17:57", "end": "01:18:00", "text": "people. And it's like,"}, {"start": "01:17:58", "end": "01:18:01", "text": ">> you're not doing anything."}, {"start": "01:18:00", "end": "01:18:02", "text": ">> You're actually making it worse."}, {"start": "01:18:01", "end": "01:18:04", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:18:02", "end": "01:18:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Doesn't it invite more bacteria?"}, {"start": "01:18:04", "end": "01:18:08", "text": "Abs bring anything into your sink? Yeah."}, {"start": "01:18:06", "end": "01:18:10", "text": "Absolut. It's I know there's going to be"}, {"start": "01:18:08", "end": "01:18:11", "text": "people like, I wash my It's gross."}, {"start": "01:18:10", "end": "01:18:13", "text": ">> Don't wash it."}, {"start": "01:18:11", "end": "01:18:15", "text": ">> It's like, oh yeah, chicken slime is"}, {"start": "01:18:13", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "gross. Yeah, but I don't I I'm I'm"}, {"start": "01:18:15", "end": "01:18:16", "text": "cooking it."}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:18", "text": ">> Yeah, you're not you're not"}, {"start": "01:18:16", "end": "01:18:20", "text": ">> I'm cooking it."}, {"start": "01:18:18", "end": "01:18:21", "text": ">> It's not a toy for my children."}, {"start": "01:18:20", "end": "01:18:23", "text": ">> It's crazy."}, {"start": "01:18:21", "end": "01:18:24", "text": ">> Speaking of toy for children, can you"}, {"start": "01:18:23", "end": "01:18:25", "text": "tell us about these dolphins?"}, {"start": "01:18:24", "end": "01:18:28", "text": ">> Dude, let me tell you about some"}, {"start": "01:18:25", "end": "01:18:29", "text": "dolphins. Kamicazi dolphins."}, {"start": "01:18:28", "end": "01:18:32", "text": ">> Pardon?"}, {"start": "01:18:29", "end": "01:18:34", "text": ">> Yeah, that's what I said. So, there was"}, {"start": "01:18:32", "end": "01:18:36", "text": "like a White House meeting or something."}, {"start": "01:18:34", "end": "01:18:37", "text": "Pete Higgsth was talking and one of the"}, {"start": "01:18:36", "end": "01:18:40", "text": "reporters like, \"Hey, can you tell us a"}, {"start": "01:18:37", "end": "01:18:42", "text": "little bit more about these kamicazi"}, {"start": "01:18:40", "end": "01:18:44", "text": "dolphins?\" And I said, \"Pause. What are"}, {"start": "01:18:42", "end": "01:18:47", "text": "we talking about here? This is crazy."}, {"start": "01:18:44", "end": "01:18:51", "text": "And so this isn't a new idea either."}, {"start": "01:18:47", "end": "01:18:54", "text": "This is gone back to Vietnam times."}, {"start": "01:18:51", "end": "01:18:57", "text": "Right now, currently, there are 85"}, {"start": "01:18:54", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "bottl-nose dolphins that are being"}, {"start": "01:18:57", "end": "01:19:01", "text": "employed by the US Navy mammal like"}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:03", "text": "program."}, {"start": "01:19:01", "end": "01:19:07", "text": ">> Is this confirmed?"}, {"start": "01:19:03", "end": "01:19:09", "text": ">> 110%. And like 50 sea lions. Okay."}, {"start": "01:19:07", "end": "01:19:11", "text": ">> It is it's it's crazy. The the the"}, {"start": "01:19:09", "end": "01:19:13", "text": "rabbit hole with this is absolutely"}, {"start": "01:19:11", "end": "01:19:16", "text": "wild. So they first started using that"}, {"start": "01:19:13", "end": "01:19:19", "text": "we know of confirmed in Vietnam back in"}, {"start": "01:19:16", "end": "01:19:21", "text": "the day. They would no joke use these"}, {"start": "01:19:19", "end": "01:19:23", "text": "dolphins, train them using their"}, {"start": "01:19:21", "end": "01:19:26", "text": "echolocation. They would strap sonar"}, {"start": "01:19:23", "end": "01:19:30", "text": "devices to them to go and find certain"}, {"start": "01:19:26", "end": "01:19:32", "text": "mines within lakes, rivers, oceans, all"}, {"start": "01:19:30", "end": "01:19:34", "text": "this stuff. And so they would find these"}, {"start": "01:19:32", "end": "01:19:36", "text": "mines. And then they later trained these"}, {"start": "01:19:34", "end": "01:19:38", "text": "dolphins once they located them cuz it"}, {"start": "01:19:36", "end": "01:19:40", "text": "would be murky, dirty water that you"}, {"start": "01:19:38", "end": "01:19:43", "text": "couldn't go down there and see anything."}, {"start": "01:19:40", "end": "01:19:44", "text": "Those dolphins would go down there, come"}, {"start": "01:19:43", "end": "01:19:46", "text": "back up after confirming where these"}, {"start": "01:19:44", "end": "01:19:49", "text": "mines are. They would strap these little"}, {"start": "01:19:46", "end": "01:19:51", "text": "tiny explosive devices for the dolphins"}, {"start": "01:19:49", "end": "01:19:54", "text": "to place, it's like B7s, I think what"}, {"start": "01:19:51", "end": "01:19:55", "text": "they're called. Place them on their nose"}, {"start": "01:19:54", "end": "01:19:57", "text": "with a little tube and everything."}, {"start": "01:19:55", "end": "01:19:59", "text": "They'd go down there, they'd place them"}, {"start": "01:19:57", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "gently next to the mines, and then 10,"}, {"start": "01:19:59", "end": "01:20:02", "text": "15 hours later, kaboom, and they're"}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:04", "text": "gone."}, {"start": "01:20:02", "end": "01:20:06", "text": ">> The dolphins are fine, right?"}, {"start": "01:20:04", "end": "01:20:08", "text": ">> That's what I thought you about to say."}, {"start": "01:20:06", "end": "01:20:09", "text": ">> No, no, the dolphins are fine. And, you"}, {"start": "01:20:08", "end": "01:20:11", "text": "know, in Vietnam, and they even use"}, {"start": "01:20:09", "end": "01:20:13", "text": "these in Iraq and everything, they would"}, {"start": "01:20:11", "end": "01:20:16", "text": "literally go through and use their"}, {"start": "01:20:13", "end": "01:20:19", "text": "echolocation to find to put uh bombs on"}, {"start": "01:20:16", "end": "01:20:22", "text": "this the holes of ships, place them"}, {"start": "01:20:19", "end": "01:20:23", "text": "there, and it's incredible, and it's"}, {"start": "01:20:22", "end": "01:20:25", "text": "super super wild. But now they're"}, {"start": "01:20:23", "end": "01:20:28", "text": "talking about kamicazi dolphins where"}, {"start": "01:20:25", "end": "01:20:30", "text": "you literally strap a larger explosive"}, {"start": "01:20:28", "end": "01:20:33", "text": "to a dolphin. And the Soviet Russians"}, {"start": "01:20:30", "end": "01:20:35", "text": "have done this. They they put literally"}, {"start": "01:20:33", "end": "01:20:38", "text": "bombs on these dolphins and they run"}, {"start": "01:20:35", "end": "01:20:40", "text": "them into either mines or to ships and"}, {"start": "01:20:38", "end": "01:20:42", "text": "that's what makes them explode and the"}, {"start": "01:20:40", "end": "01:20:43", "text": "dolphins die. It's awful."}, {"start": "01:20:42", "end": "01:20:45", "text": ">> What does Peta have to say about this?"}, {"start": "01:20:43", "end": "01:20:46", "text": ">> I mean they can't do nothing."}, {"start": "01:20:45", "end": "01:20:47", "text": ">> What does Peta Hexth have to say about"}, {"start": "01:20:46", "end": "01:20:49", "text": "it?"}, {"start": "01:20:47", "end": "01:20:51", "text": ">> Petth he says, \"When you can you give me"}, {"start": "01:20:49", "end": "01:20:52", "text": "more animals?\" No, but that's the clip I"}, {"start": "01:20:51", "end": "01:20:54", "text": "saw where he was being questioned about"}, {"start": "01:20:52", "end": "01:20:55", "text": "the reporter like, \"Can you tell us"}, {"start": "01:20:54", "end": "01:20:58", "text": "about these kamicazi dolphins?\" And he's"}, {"start": "01:20:55", "end": "01:21:00", "text": "like, \"I can neither confirm nor deny"}, {"start": "01:20:58", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "these kamicazi dolphins.\""}, {"start": "01:21:00", "end": "01:21:02", "text": ">> They're not real. But he just loves that"}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:02", "text": "hot take."}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:21:02", "end": "01:21:05", "text": ">> He said like I think he said like they"}, {"start": "01:21:04", "end": "01:21:07", "text": "have them, but we can't like confirm or"}, {"start": "01:21:05", "end": "01:21:09", "text": "deny the word. We have them, you know,"}, {"start": "01:21:07", "end": "01:21:11", "text": "anything like that. But they literally"}, {"start": "01:21:09", "end": "01:21:13", "text": "train these things for years and it's"}, {"start": "01:21:11", "end": "01:21:16", "text": "like it's just like basically a bomb"}, {"start": "01:21:13", "end": "01:21:20", "text": "dog, a squat, like a a SWAT dog like but"}, {"start": "01:21:16", "end": "01:21:22", "text": "it's for mammals, right? And now"}, {"start": "01:21:20", "end": "01:21:23", "text": "This opens the whole theory because you"}, {"start": "01:21:22", "end": "01:21:25", "text": "always talk about dolphins. Everyone"}, {"start": "01:21:23", "end": "01:21:28", "text": "someone's going to comment this is why"}, {"start": "01:21:25", "end": "01:21:30", "text": "it's illegal to talk to dolphins. And I"}, {"start": "01:21:28", "end": "01:21:34", "text": "looked it up. There is very loose"}, {"start": "01:21:30", "end": "01:21:36", "text": "language. It is a federal offense to"}, {"start": "01:21:34", "end": "01:21:38", "text": "interact with a dolphin in any way with"}, {"start": "01:21:36", "end": "01:21:40", "text": "like without beyond the confines of like"}, {"start": "01:21:38", "end": "01:21:42", "text": "you know like you know what structure"}, {"start": "01:21:40", "end": "01:21:43", "text": "do. Yeah. Like that or like you know"}, {"start": "01:21:42", "end": "01:21:46", "text": "you're swimming with dolphin whatever."}, {"start": "01:21:43", "end": "01:21:48", "text": "And this pinpoints back to this right"}, {"start": "01:21:46", "end": "01:21:50", "text": "here where they're training dolphins and"}, {"start": "01:21:48", "end": "01:21:51", "text": "you don't know which dolphins they're"}, {"start": "01:21:50", "end": "01:21:52", "text": "training."}, {"start": "01:21:51", "end": "01:21:54", "text": ">> And when dolphins, yes, they are very"}, {"start": "01:21:52", "end": "01:21:56", "text": "smart. They're very intelligent. Their"}, {"start": "01:21:54", "end": "01:21:58", "text": "brains are like double the size of ours,"}, {"start": "01:21:56", "end": "01:21:59", "text": "but they get very easily distracted."}, {"start": "01:21:58", "end": "01:22:01", "text": "They're like a six-year-old kid. Like"}, {"start": "01:21:59", "end": "01:22:02", "text": "you tell them to do something, they're"}, {"start": "01:22:01", "end": "01:22:04", "text": "going to do it, but then something"}, {"start": "01:22:02", "end": "01:22:06", "text": "shinier or brighter has over here. It's"}, {"start": "01:22:04", "end": "01:22:08", "text": "like, I'm going to go that way. And so"}, {"start": "01:22:06", "end": "01:22:09", "text": "you don't interact on that cruise ship."}, {"start": "01:22:08", "end": "01:22:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Or this little kid that's surfing,"}, {"start": "01:22:09", "end": "01:22:13", "text": "you know, like whatever it may be. And"}, {"start": "01:22:11", "end": "01:22:15", "text": "so that is literally it's a federal"}, {"start": "01:22:13", "end": "01:22:17", "text": "offense to interact and they even"}, {"start": "01:22:15", "end": "01:22:19", "text": "communicate they say and that's there's"}, {"start": "01:22:17", "end": "01:22:21", "text": "been people that get in trouble. That's"}, {"start": "01:22:19", "end": "01:22:22", "text": "like the loose language. They don't say"}, {"start": "01:22:21", "end": "01:22:24", "text": "communicate but people have gotten in"}, {"start": "01:22:22", "end": "01:22:26", "text": "trouble with like being on the side of a"}, {"start": "01:22:24", "end": "01:22:27", "text": "boat and like and know just not even"}, {"start": "01:22:26", "end": "01:22:30", "text": "touching the dolphin but like"}, {"start": "01:22:27", "end": "01:22:32", "text": "interacting and talking with it. Yes."}, {"start": "01:22:30", "end": "01:22:33", "text": ">> People have gotten in trouble if you"}, {"start": "01:22:32", "end": "01:22:35", "text": ">> you can't talk to that dolphin."}, {"start": "01:22:33", "end": "01:22:36", "text": ">> Let me look up. It's like the"}, {"start": "01:22:35", "end": "01:22:39", "text": ">> I got the certain act I got to hear a"}, {"start": "01:22:36", "end": "01:22:41", "text": "screenshot. The Marine M."}, {"start": "01:22:39", "end": "01:22:42", "text": ">> STOP TALKING TO THAT DOLPHIN RIGHT NOW."}, {"start": "01:22:41", "end": "01:22:44", "text": ">> PUT YOUR HANDS UP."}, {"start": "01:22:42", "end": "01:22:45", "text": ">> WHAT' YOU SAY TO THAT DOLPHIN"}, {"start": "01:22:44", "end": "01:22:48", "text": "INTERROGATION?"}, {"start": "01:22:45", "end": "01:22:50", "text": ">> The Marine Mammal Protection Act and"}, {"start": "01:22:48", "end": "01:22:51", "text": "unknown knowingly harassing, hunting,"}, {"start": "01:22:50", "end": "01:22:52", "text": "capturing or killing. So obviously the"}, {"start": "01:22:51", "end": "01:22:53", "text": "hunting, capturing, killing, that's"}, {"start": "01:22:52", "end": "01:22:53", "text": "obvious."}, {"start": "01:22:53", "end": "01:22:56", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:22:53", "end": "01:22:58", "text": ">> But the harassing, that's where the"}, {"start": "01:22:56", "end": "01:23:00", "text": "loose language comes in. And like, you"}, {"start": "01:22:58", "end": "01:23:02", "text": "know, they can get you for literally"}, {"start": "01:23:00", "end": "01:23:04", "text": "anything. Go. So, I think that's what a"}, {"start": "01:23:02", "end": "01:23:06", "text": "lot of people are saying is that when"}, {"start": "01:23:04", "end": "01:23:07", "text": "they're training these dolphins, they're"}, {"start": "01:23:06", "end": "01:23:08", "text": "not labeling which dolphin they're"}, {"start": "01:23:07", "end": "01:23:10", "text": "training or stuff like that. They've got"}, {"start": "01:23:08", "end": "01:23:12", "text": "trackers, whatever, but it's like if you"}, {"start": "01:23:10", "end": "01:23:13", "text": "as a human come up with a dolphin that"}, {"start": "01:23:12", "end": "01:23:15", "text": "they're interacting with, it's like that"}, {"start": "01:23:13", "end": "01:23:16", "text": "can compromise a lot of what they've got"}, {"start": "01:23:15", "end": "01:23:16", "text": "going on."}, {"start": "01:23:16", "end": "01:23:18", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:23:16", "end": "01:23:19", "text": ">> So crazy."}, {"start": "01:23:18", "end": "01:23:21", "text": ">> That is so interesting because you would"}, {"start": "01:23:19", "end": "01:23:24", "text": "think that they would keep them like a"}, {"start": "01:23:21", "end": "01:23:25", "text": "like kind of like a government SeaWorld"}, {"start": "01:23:24", "end": "01:23:26", "text": "where they would put them in a big thing"}, {"start": "01:23:25", "end": "01:23:28", "text": "and train them there, but they're"}, {"start": "01:23:26", "end": "01:23:29", "text": "keeping them wild."}, {"start": "01:23:28", "end": "01:23:31", "text": ">> Yeah. Eating them in the open ocean."}, {"start": "01:23:29", "end": "01:23:34", "text": ">> Yeah. observing."}, {"start": "01:23:31", "end": "01:23:36", "text": ">> What if all of the orca attacks were"}, {"start": "01:23:34", "end": "01:23:38", "text": "training's gone wrong? We tried to"}, {"start": "01:23:36", "end": "01:23:39", "text": "upgrade to orca."}, {"start": "01:23:38", "end": "01:23:41", "text": ">> Interesting. That'd be terrible."}, {"start": "01:23:39", "end": "01:23:43", "text": ">> Taking the livers out of people. My god,"}, {"start": "01:23:41", "end": "01:23:44", "text": ">> I like the way your brain works, Andrew."}, {"start": "01:23:43", "end": "01:23:46", "text": "That's a good theory."}, {"start": "01:23:44", "end": "01:23:48", "text": ">> Yeah, but that's the thing. You like"}, {"start": "01:23:46", "end": "01:23:50", "text": "they have pods that they show like in"}, {"start": "01:23:48", "end": "01:23:52", "text": "Soviet Russia, like they would have pods"}, {"start": "01:23:50", "end": "01:23:54", "text": "where they would keep these dolphins and"}, {"start": "01:23:52", "end": "01:23:55", "text": "there there's even US Navy guys who have"}, {"start": "01:23:54", "end": "01:23:57", "text": "came out and talked about it when"}, {"start": "01:23:55", "end": "01:23:58", "text": "they're training. And they, no joke,"}, {"start": "01:23:57", "end": "01:24:01", "text": "they do their best. It's like"}, {"start": "01:23:58", "end": "01:24:04", "text": "hideand-seek training. So, the guys will"}, {"start": "01:24:01", "end": "01:24:06", "text": "dive down and they attach these glow"}, {"start": "01:24:04", "end": "01:24:08", "text": "sticks basically to this dolphin. You go"}, {"start": "01:24:06", "end": "01:24:11", "text": "down and you hide from this dolphin and"}, {"start": "01:24:08", "end": "01:24:12", "text": "you the longer the better. And so this"}, {"start": "01:24:11", "end": "01:24:14", "text": "they got the guys go down there. They're"}, {"start": "01:24:12", "end": "01:24:15", "text": "hiding and then suddenly"}, {"start": "01:24:14", "end": "01:24:17", "text": ">> oh my gosh"}, {"start": "01:24:15", "end": "01:24:18", "text": ">> this thing just zooms by this light and"}, {"start": "01:24:17", "end": "01:24:20", "text": "you're like I think we got him. And then"}, {"start": "01:24:18", "end": "01:24:22", "text": "suddenly he zooms right back. You're"}, {"start": "01:24:20", "end": "01:24:25", "text": "like, \"Oh, I don't think he can see us.\""}, {"start": "01:24:22", "end": "01:24:28", "text": "And then suddenly this guy comes up."}, {"start": "01:24:25", "end": "01:24:30", "text": ">> Dolphin flies at him, hitting him in the"}, {"start": "01:24:28", "end": "01:24:32", "text": "nose. Two weeks, two black eyes."}, {"start": "01:24:30", "end": "01:24:34", "text": ">> Oh, they're so smart."}, {"start": "01:24:32", "end": "01:24:36", "text": ">> They're so smart. And they can see"}, {"start": "01:24:34", "end": "01:24:38", "text": "everything. I mean, they're incredibly"}, {"start": "01:24:36", "end": "01:24:39", "text": "fast. They're incredibly intelligent."}, {"start": "01:24:38", "end": "01:24:40", "text": "And it's like, of course, we would use"}, {"start": "01:24:39", "end": "01:24:42", "text": "them for weapons. As a bad guy, you're"}, {"start": "01:24:40", "end": "01:24:44", "text": "like, \"Yes, it's like freaking sharks"}, {"start": "01:24:42", "end": "01:24:46", "text": "with laser beams, right?\" Like, it's"}, {"start": "01:24:44", "end": "01:24:48", "text": ">> Yeah. Like like freaking sharks with"}, {"start": "01:24:46", "end": "01:24:48", "text": "laser beams attached to their freaking"}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:50", "text": "head."}, {"start": "01:24:48", "end": "01:24:52", "text": ">> WE'VE GOT DOLPHINS WITH BOMBS on their"}, {"start": "01:24:50", "end": "01:24:54", "text": "noses. It's the craziest thing."}, {"start": "01:24:52", "end": "01:24:55", "text": ">> That's from Austin Powers, by the way."}, {"start": "01:24:54", "end": "01:24:56", "text": ">> Yeah, they actually said that at that"}, {"start": "01:24:55", "end": "01:24:58", "text": "White House briefing."}, {"start": "01:24:56", "end": "01:24:59", "text": ">> They quoted it. He's like, \"Oh, gone.\""}, {"start": "01:24:58", "end": "01:25:00", "text": ">> But that was also probably to downplay"}, {"start": "01:24:59", "end": "01:25:03", "text": "it a little bit."}, {"start": "01:25:00", "end": "01:25:04", "text": ">> But I also think kamicazi dolphin is a"}, {"start": "01:25:03", "end": "01:25:06", "text": "great t-shirt, by the way."}, {"start": "01:25:04", "end": "01:25:06", "text": ">> Oh, great t-shirt."}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:25:06", "end": "01:25:09", "text": ">> With letters like the Japanese letter"}, {"start": "01:25:08", "end": "01:25:09", "text": "kamicazi dolphin."}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:11", "text": ">> Yeah. Holding like"}, {"start": "01:25:09", "end": "01:25:11", "text": ">> dolphins. That's our dolphin or alien"}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:12", "text": "shirt."}, {"start": "01:25:11", "end": "01:25:14", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:25:12", "end": "01:25:17", "text": ">> Oh, dude, you're cooking."}, {"start": "01:25:14", "end": "01:25:19", "text": "My kamicazi dolphin is better than"}, {"start": "01:25:17", "end": "01:25:21", "text": ">> my kamicazi dolphin is better than your"}, {"start": "01:25:19", "end": "01:25:23", "text": "toy poodle or something like that. Like"}, {"start": "01:25:21", "end": "01:25:24", "text": "that kind of thing. Any who, this"}, {"start": "01:25:23", "end": "01:25:27", "text": "segment, what you have just brought to"}, {"start": "01:25:24", "end": "01:25:28", "text": "light. If I can encourage our viewers."}, {"start": "01:25:27", "end": "01:25:29", "text": ">> Wait, wait, wait. I Let me just say this"}, {"start": "01:25:28", "end": "01:25:31", "text": "real quick because this is a great idea"}, {"start": "01:25:29", "end": "01:25:33", "text": "for a t-shirt."}, {"start": "01:25:31", "end": "01:25:36", "text": ">> Instead of the don't tread on me, it's"}, {"start": "01:25:33", "end": "01:25:37", "text": "the dolphin says don't talk to me."}, {"start": "01:25:36", "end": "01:25:38", "text": ">> That's good."}, {"start": "01:25:37", "end": "01:25:39", "text": ">> Yes,"}, {"start": "01:25:38", "end": "01:25:40", "text": ">> that's good."}, {"start": "01:25:39", "end": "01:25:41", "text": ">> Always ruined."}, {"start": "01:25:40", "end": "01:25:42", "text": ">> No, don't you dare."}, {"start": "01:25:41", "end": "01:25:44", "text": ">> I had to say that otherwise I would"}, {"start": "01:25:42", "end": "01:25:45", "text": "forget. He did that every time."}, {"start": "01:25:44", "end": "01:25:46", "text": ">> That's what I was going to say. I would"}, {"start": "01:25:45", "end": "01:25:48", "text": "forget it."}, {"start": "01:25:46", "end": "01:25:50", "text": ">> Imagine imagine if you he you he did"}, {"start": "01:25:48", "end": "01:25:50", "text": "that to you every time you interrupted"}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:51", "text": "him."}, {"start": "01:25:50", "end": "01:25:53", "text": ">> He just said, \"You know what? I don't"}, {"start": "01:25:51", "end": "01:25:54", "text": "want to talk anymore.\""}, {"start": "01:25:53", "end": "01:25:55", "text": ">> All right, finish your thought."}, {"start": "01:25:54", "end": "01:25:57", "text": ">> What I was going to say is if you can"}, {"start": "01:25:55", "end": "01:25:59", "text": "imagine it, it's happening."}, {"start": "01:25:57", "end": "01:26:00", "text": ">> That's what's going on."}, {"start": "01:25:59", "end": "01:26:03", "text": ">> Yeah. Anything is possible at this"}, {"start": "01:26:00", "end": "01:26:04", "text": "point. Are dolphins being used as like,"}, {"start": "01:26:03", "end": "01:26:05", "text": "you know, like weapons? Yeah, they are."}, {"start": "01:26:04", "end": "01:26:07", "text": "Of course they are."}, {"start": "01:26:05", "end": "01:26:09", "text": ">> Imagine looking at the world that way."}, {"start": "01:26:07", "end": "01:26:10", "text": "If you go out, you go out and you're on"}, {"start": "01:26:09", "end": "01:26:12", "text": "a cruise with your family and you're"}, {"start": "01:26:10", "end": "01:26:13", "text": "like, \"That could be a weapon. That"}, {"start": "01:26:12", "end": "01:26:15", "text": "could be a weapon.\" instead of like"}, {"start": "01:26:13", "end": "01:26:16", "text": "appreciating the world. That's sad."}, {"start": "01:26:15", "end": "01:26:18", "text": ">> I'd be a wealthy man."}, {"start": "01:26:16", "end": "01:26:20", "text": ">> Like looking look looking at an atom"}, {"start": "01:26:18", "end": "01:26:22", "text": "bomb saying, \"I bet penguins made this.\""}, {"start": "01:26:20", "end": "01:26:24", "text": "You know,"}, {"start": "01:26:22", "end": "01:26:26", "text": ">> dude, dolphins have a documented like"}, {"start": "01:26:24", "end": "01:26:27", "text": "dark sense of humor, though. Like my"}, {"start": "01:26:26", "end": "01:26:29", "text": "buddy was diving under the Destin Bridge"}, {"start": "01:26:27", "end": "01:26:32", "text": "just like checking out fish. And this"}, {"start": "01:26:29", "end": "01:26:35", "text": "dolphin kept on appearing directly"}, {"start": "01:26:32", "end": "01:26:37", "text": "behind him. Like he'd turn around slowly"}, {"start": "01:26:35", "end": "01:26:40", "text": "and it would and it wasn't like hovering"}, {"start": "01:26:37", "end": "01:26:43", "text": "like a fish. It'd be vertical like like"}, {"start": "01:26:40", "end": "01:26:45", "text": "this like [ __ ] and it'd like freak him"}, {"start": "01:26:43", "end": "01:26:46", "text": "out and then it would dart off but it"}, {"start": "01:26:45", "end": "01:26:48", "text": "kept doing it to him. It like sent him"}, {"start": "01:26:46", "end": "01:26:50", "text": "out of the water a little bit."}, {"start": "01:26:48", "end": "01:26:52", "text": ">> Dude, I've been surfing and I'm like I"}, {"start": "01:26:50", "end": "01:26:54", "text": "can't tell what that is and it turned"}, {"start": "01:26:52", "end": "01:26:56", "text": "not chasing fish and it did it to me. I"}, {"start": "01:26:54", "end": "01:26:58", "text": "mean the fastest I've ever seen"}, {"start": "01:26:56", "end": "01:27:00", "text": "something move in the water and got like"}, {"start": "01:26:58", "end": "01:27:02", "text": "I'm about to get impaled and then just"}, {"start": "01:27:00", "end": "01:27:04", "text": "at the last second veered off and I was"}, {"start": "01:27:02", "end": "01:27:05", "text": "like what a weird thing to happen."}, {"start": "01:27:04", "end": "01:27:06", "text": "Freaked me out. And then I saw it happen"}, {"start": "01:27:05", "end": "01:27:07", "text": "to other people in the water."}, {"start": "01:27:06", "end": "01:27:09", "text": ">> Just playing with people."}, {"start": "01:27:07", "end": "01:27:10", "text": ">> Yeah. just like this is fun. People are"}, {"start": "01:27:09", "end": "01:27:11", "text": "freaking out."}, {"start": "01:27:10", "end": "01:27:13", "text": ">> Did you see that video of the guys?"}, {"start": "01:27:11", "end": "01:27:14", "text": "What's that? You're on a surfboard and"}, {"start": "01:27:13", "end": "01:27:16", "text": "it goes up like this."}, {"start": "01:27:14", "end": "01:27:17", "text": ">> Like the hydro or the"}, {"start": "01:27:16", "end": "01:27:18", "text": ">> It's like the epitome of"}, {"start": "01:27:17", "end": "01:27:18", "text": ">> Was it Was it fake?"}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:19", "text": ">> It's real."}, {"start": "01:27:18", "end": "01:27:20", "text": ">> No, it's real."}, {"start": "01:27:19", "end": "01:27:22", "text": ">> It's real surfing."}, {"start": "01:27:20", "end": "01:27:23", "text": ">> No, no, the the footage with the shark"}, {"start": "01:27:22", "end": "01:27:24", "text": "chasing him."}, {"start": "01:27:23", "end": "01:27:25", "text": ">> Oh, I don't Yeah, I've seen that. Foil"}, {"start": "01:27:24", "end": "01:27:27", "text": "boarding is what it's called."}, {"start": "01:27:25", "end": "01:27:27", "text": ">> Foil boarding. I knew it had something"}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:29", "text": "to do with foil."}, {"start": "01:27:27", "end": "01:27:31", "text": ">> It's real. It's real surfing."}, {"start": "01:27:29", "end": "01:27:32", "text": ">> Like it's the next step. Like I mean, if"}, {"start": "01:27:31", "end": "01:27:32", "text": "you can't actually surf."}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:34", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:27:32", "end": "01:27:36", "text": ">> I mean like if you if you like if you"}, {"start": "01:27:34", "end": "01:27:37", "text": "can surf, that's the next level. And if"}, {"start": "01:27:36", "end": "01:27:38", "text": "you can't do that, then you just stick"}, {"start": "01:27:37", "end": "01:27:41", "text": "to"}, {"start": "01:27:38", "end": "01:27:43", "text": ">> foil boarding is like that's that's the"}, {"start": "01:27:41", "end": "01:27:47", "text": "next generation of true surfers."}, {"start": "01:27:43", "end": "01:27:49", "text": ">> This shark, this shark was maybe a great"}, {"start": "01:27:47", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "white, maybe a bull shark. It was like a"}, {"start": "01:27:49", "end": "01:27:52", "text": "great white tiger or white. I don't"}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:54", "text": "remember."}, {"start": "01:27:52", "end": "01:27:55", "text": ">> It was ginormous and it was chasing the"}, {"start": "01:27:54", "end": "01:27:56", "text": "dude and the guy seen the clip. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:27:55", "end": "01:27:58", "text": ">> He's going right beside him and he's"}, {"start": "01:27:56", "end": "01:28:00", "text": "like, \"Don't fall off.\""}, {"start": "01:27:58", "end": "01:28:02", "text": ">> And then he sits and stops."}, {"start": "01:28:00", "end": "01:28:04", "text": ">> I didn't see that. I but the guy he like"}, {"start": "01:28:02", "end": "01:28:06", "text": "stumbled for a second but this shark's"}, {"start": "01:28:04", "end": "01:28:08", "text": "just going like just chasing them."}, {"start": "01:28:06", "end": "01:28:09", "text": ">> The biggest shark in the world."}, {"start": "01:28:08", "end": "01:28:11", "text": ">> Huge."}, {"start": "01:28:09", "end": "01:28:13", "text": ">> I will I will say those dudes I like the"}, {"start": "01:28:11", "end": "01:28:14", "text": "use of foiling for that. So they're"}, {"start": "01:28:13", "end": "01:28:16", "text": "island hopping and they're trying to"}, {"start": "01:28:14", "end": "01:28:18", "text": "ride like the windb blown swells. It's"}, {"start": "01:28:16", "end": "01:28:19", "text": "kind of like a like a means of"}, {"start": "01:28:18", "end": "01:28:20", "text": "transportation."}, {"start": "01:28:19", "end": "01:28:22", "text": ">> Foil boys."}, {"start": "01:28:20", "end": "01:28:23", "text": ">> Dude, when you're Have you seen like"}, {"start": "01:28:22", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "injuries people trying to do it and"}, {"start": "01:28:23", "end": "01:28:25", "text": "those things come out of the water?"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:28", "text": ">> Slash you,"}, {"start": "01:28:25", "end": "01:28:32", "text": ">> dude. I' I've literally I was surfing I"}, {"start": "01:28:28", "end": "01:28:33", "text": "was at Sununglow uh over like on the way"}, {"start": "01:28:32", "end": "01:28:35", "text": "down to Pon Inletby Joe's"}, {"start": "01:28:33", "end": "01:28:36", "text": ">> and this dude is like doing his thing"}, {"start": "01:28:35", "end": "01:28:38", "text": "and I'm like that's cool. And so you"}, {"start": "01:28:36", "end": "01:28:39", "text": "know you bob a wave kind of you can't"}, {"start": "01:28:38", "end": "01:28:41", "text": "see him because the next wave comes up"}, {"start": "01:28:39", "end": "01:28:43", "text": "and then he comes up and I'm like the"}, {"start": "01:28:41", "end": "01:28:46", "text": "dude's 20 feet in front of me pumping"}, {"start": "01:28:43", "end": "01:28:48", "text": "looking like a goof and literally just"}, {"start": "01:28:46", "end": "01:28:50", "text": "loses it flips upside down board kind of"}, {"start": "01:28:48", "end": "01:28:53", "text": "like I mean you're looking at the blade"}, {"start": "01:28:50", "end": "01:28:55", "text": "out the water 20t away and I'm like what"}, {"start": "01:28:53", "end": "01:28:56", "text": "what on earth are you doing? Like how is"}, {"start": "01:28:55", "end": "01:28:58", "text": "this okay to be this close to me?"}, {"start": "01:28:56", "end": "01:28:59", "text": ">> Cut someone's head off."}, {"start": "01:28:58", "end": "01:29:01", "text": ">> I'm watching the video right now. That"}, {"start": "01:28:59", "end": "01:29:02", "text": "is so scary cuz they're like they're not"}, {"start": "01:29:01", "end": "01:29:04", "text": "near lamp."}, {"start": "01:29:02", "end": "01:29:06", "text": ">> Yeah. Send that to the group so Andrew"}, {"start": "01:29:04", "end": "01:29:06", "text": "could post it on the what we're talking"}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:09", "text": "about."}, {"start": "01:29:06", "end": "01:29:11", "text": ">> Goodness, dude. So scary."}, {"start": "01:29:09", "end": "01:29:13", "text": ">> Do you guys want a story about speaking"}, {"start": "01:29:11", "end": "01:29:16", "text": "of"}, {"start": "01:29:13", "end": "01:29:17", "text": "haunt haunt virus and strawberries that"}, {"start": "01:29:16", "end": "01:29:19", "text": "give you cancer?"}, {"start": "01:29:17", "end": "01:29:21", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:29:19", "end": "01:29:23", "text": ">> This is a story from my brother."}, {"start": "01:29:21", "end": "01:29:26", "text": ">> Oh, hi Taylor. Taylor"}, {"start": "01:29:23", "end": "01:29:31", "text": ">> gave me this story. Very fun story. Very"}, {"start": "01:29:26", "end": "01:29:34", "text": "crazy story about Roman soldiers that"}, {"start": "01:29:31", "end": "01:29:36", "text": "were defeated by honey."}, {"start": "01:29:34", "end": "01:29:37", "text": ">> Oo."}, {"start": "01:29:36", "end": "01:29:40", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:29:37", "end": "01:29:42", "text": ">> Very fun. And excuse me, I'm going to"}, {"start": "01:29:40", "end": "01:29:43", "text": "mispronounce everything in this story."}, {"start": "01:29:42", "end": "01:29:47", "text": ">> Is it in Italian?"}, {"start": "01:29:43", "end": "01:29:51", "text": ">> No, it's this um so Rome, it was"}, {"start": "01:29:47", "end": "01:29:54", "text": "happening during the uh mythraatic"}, {"start": "01:29:51", "end": "01:29:58", "text": "war. the mythratic war. So Rome was"}, {"start": "01:29:54", "end": "01:30:01", "text": "fighting Mithrates"}, {"start": "01:29:58", "end": "01:30:03", "text": "uh the six upur"}, {"start": "01:30:01", "end": "01:30:05", "text": ">> that was pretty good actually."}, {"start": "01:30:03", "end": "01:30:06", "text": ">> I don't know what he is."}, {"start": "01:30:05", "end": "01:30:08", "text": ">> What time period is this?"}, {"start": "01:30:06", "end": "01:30:10", "text": ">> Mithrates whenever the Romans were"}, {"start": "01:30:08", "end": "01:30:11", "text": "around. I don't know."}, {"start": "01:30:10", "end": "01:30:15", "text": ">> They're still around today."}, {"start": "01:30:11", "end": "01:30:18", "text": ">> It was in the I think the BC era. Um,"}, {"start": "01:30:15", "end": "01:30:22", "text": "but Mithrates, he was this king that was"}, {"start": "01:30:18", "end": "01:30:23", "text": "like the thorn in Rome's side. And I,"}, {"start": "01:30:22", "end": "01:30:25", "text": "let me look. Can you look up, Andrew,"}, {"start": "01:30:23", "end": "01:30:26", "text": "where he was from? Mithrides."}, {"start": "01:30:25", "end": "01:30:32", "text": ">> Yeah, that's easy spelling."}, {"start": "01:30:26", "end": "01:30:34", "text": ">> Uh, mi t h r i d a tes."}, {"start": "01:30:32", "end": "01:30:37", "text": ">> That actually was the sixth, right?"}, {"start": "01:30:34", "end": "01:30:38", "text": ">> The sixth. Um, but"}, {"start": "01:30:37", "end": "01:30:39", "text": ">> Pontis,"}, {"start": "01:30:38", "end": "01:30:40", "text": ">> what was it?"}, {"start": "01:30:39", "end": "01:30:41", "text": ">> Kingdom of Pontius."}, {"start": "01:30:40", "end": "01:30:46", "text": ">> Pontious. What is that?"}, {"start": "01:30:41", "end": "01:30:46", "text": ">> Northern Anatolia. What is that today?"}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:47", "text": ">> Turkey."}, {"start": "01:30:46", "end": "01:30:48", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:30:47", "end": "01:30:50", "text": ">> Maybe."}, {"start": "01:30:48", "end": "01:30:53", "text": ">> Oh, if it is, it is Turkey. Yeah. Um,"}, {"start": "01:30:50", "end": "01:30:55", "text": ">> dude, Turkey look like the faux shisel."}, {"start": "01:30:53", "end": "01:30:55", "text": ">> Yeah, Turkey was wild back in the day."}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:30:57", "text": "Still is."}, {"start": "01:30:55", "end": "01:31:02", "text": ">> Crazy."}, {"start": "01:30:57", "end": "01:31:03", "text": ">> Um, so these Romans were fighting uh"}, {"start": "01:31:02", "end": "01:31:06", "text": "Mithrates"}, {"start": "01:31:03", "end": "01:31:08", "text": "and this king. So, some backstory on"}, {"start": "01:31:06", "end": "01:31:11", "text": "this king. His father was a king. His"}, {"start": "01:31:08", "end": "01:31:14", "text": "father was killed by being poisoned. So"}, {"start": "01:31:11", "end": "01:31:16", "text": "Mithrates was the next in line"}, {"start": "01:31:14", "end": "01:31:19", "text": ">> and was constantly trying to be"}, {"start": "01:31:16", "end": "01:31:20", "text": "assassinated by people in the kingdom"}, {"start": "01:31:19", "end": "01:31:21", "text": "and even his own mother."}, {"start": "01:31:20", "end": "01:31:23", "text": ">> Oh,"}, {"start": "01:31:21", "end": "01:31:23", "text": ">> primarily by poisoning."}, {"start": "01:31:23", "end": "01:31:27", "text": ">> Mhm."}, {"start": "01:31:23", "end": "01:31:29", "text": ">> So he was so crazy about being poisoning"}, {"start": "01:31:27", "end": "01:31:31", "text": "that he decided to take upon himself to"}, {"start": "01:31:29", "end": "01:31:32", "text": "micro dose poisoning."}, {"start": "01:31:31", "end": "01:31:34", "text": ">> Genius. We should start doing that."}, {"start": "01:31:32", "end": "01:31:36", "text": ">> And built an intoler like he built a"}, {"start": "01:31:34", "end": "01:31:37", "text": "tolerance or um yeah tolerance to"}, {"start": "01:31:36", "end": "01:31:41", "text": "poisons."}, {"start": "01:31:37", "end": "01:31:44", "text": ">> Wow. But in this he just became like the"}, {"start": "01:31:41", "end": "01:31:44", "text": "one of the first chemists like of the"}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:45", "text": "world."}, {"start": "01:31:44", "end": "01:31:49", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:31:45", "end": "01:31:51", "text": ">> But what he did was there was a a Roman"}, {"start": "01:31:49", "end": "01:31:53", "text": "a group of Roman soldiers about a"}, {"start": "01:31:51", "end": "01:31:55", "text": "thousand of them that were making their"}, {"start": "01:31:53", "end": "01:31:58", "text": "way towards Mithrates and his kingdom in"}, {"start": "01:31:55", "end": "01:32:02", "text": "these villages. And so what Mithrates"}, {"start": "01:31:58", "end": "01:32:06", "text": "did was he had these um villagers take"}, {"start": "01:32:02", "end": "01:32:08", "text": "what is called mad honey and place it"}, {"start": "01:32:06", "end": "01:32:10", "text": "along the road. these mad honeycombs"}, {"start": "01:32:08", "end": "01:32:12", "text": "along the road. And when you consume it,"}, {"start": "01:32:10", "end": "01:32:15", "text": "it's not an instant thing, but when you"}, {"start": "01:32:12", "end": "01:32:19", "text": "consume it, it contains uh GRA, sorry,"}, {"start": "01:32:15", "end": "01:32:20", "text": "GRA non-toxin. GRA non-toxin."}, {"start": "01:32:19", "end": "01:32:23", "text": "But what this does, it creates"}, {"start": "01:32:20", "end": "01:32:24", "text": "dizziness, vomiting, slow heart rate,"}, {"start": "01:32:23", "end": "01:32:25", "text": "and hallucinations."}, {"start": "01:32:24", "end": "01:32:26", "text": ">> Oh my gosh,"}, {"start": "01:32:25", "end": "01:32:29", "text": ">> what a wild way to go."}, {"start": "01:32:26", "end": "01:32:30", "text": ">> Like like the wasp thing from Vice,"}, {"start": "01:32:29", "end": "01:32:32", "text": ">> the bee thing. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:32:30", "end": "01:32:35", "text": ">> cuz wasps don't produce honey."}, {"start": "01:32:32", "end": "01:32:35", "text": ">> Whatever. Josh,"}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:37", "text": ">> you know what I'm talking about."}, {"start": "01:32:35", "end": "01:32:41", "text": ">> Wasps. Yeah, I don't know if it's that."}, {"start": "01:32:37", "end": "01:32:42", "text": "I I I think it could possibly be that or"}, {"start": "01:32:41", "end": "01:32:44", "text": "he made their they made their own honey"}, {"start": "01:32:42", "end": "01:32:45", "text": "like they had it"}, {"start": "01:32:44", "end": "01:32:46", "text": ">> the bees like pollinate with certain"}, {"start": "01:32:45", "end": "01:32:48", "text": "plants and whatnot"}, {"start": "01:32:46", "end": "01:32:50", "text": ">> to make this mad honey."}, {"start": "01:32:48", "end": "01:32:52", "text": ">> Anyways, they set it out on the road"}, {"start": "01:32:50", "end": "01:32:53", "text": "these and so they they like retreat and"}, {"start": "01:32:52", "end": "01:32:55", "text": "so the Roman soldiers are like these"}, {"start": "01:32:53", "end": "01:32:57", "text": "guys we're they're afraid of us and like"}, {"start": "01:32:55", "end": "01:32:59", "text": "oh look at honey let's eat it."}, {"start": "01:32:57", "end": "01:33:02", "text": ">> So all these Roman soldiers ate it."}, {"start": "01:32:59", "end": "01:33:05", "text": ">> They were tripping out of their minds"}, {"start": "01:33:02", "end": "01:33:06", "text": "throwing up dizzy. They came back,"}, {"start": "01:33:05", "end": "01:33:07", "text": "killed all the Romans."}, {"start": "01:33:06", "end": "01:33:08", "text": ">> Holy moly."}, {"start": "01:33:07", "end": "01:33:10", "text": ">> Word. Good thinking."}, {"start": "01:33:08", "end": "01:33:11", "text": ">> I mean, that's good. They're defenseless"}, {"start": "01:33:10", "end": "01:33:13", "text": "at that point."}, {"start": "01:33:11", "end": "01:33:15", "text": ">> Yeah. So, yeah, they massacred a"}, {"start": "01:33:13", "end": "01:33:17", "text": "thousand Roman soldiers in that battle"}, {"start": "01:33:15", "end": "01:33:19", "text": "just by Mad Honey."}, {"start": "01:33:17", "end": "01:33:21", "text": ">> But what's crazy,"}, {"start": "01:33:19", "end": "01:33:23", "text": "this is the first known recorded"}, {"start": "01:33:21", "end": "01:33:25", "text": "chemical or biological warfare."}, {"start": "01:33:23", "end": "01:33:26", "text": ">> So, like that's pretty"}, {"start": "01:33:25", "end": "01:33:28", "text": ">> crazy."}, {"start": "01:33:26", "end": "01:33:33", "text": ">> Um, but Mithrides"}, {"start": "01:33:28", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "he Oh. 134 BC. So that's when he was"}, {"start": "01:33:33", "end": "01:33:34", "text": "backing up,"}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:37", "text": ">> right?"}, {"start": "01:33:34", "end": "01:33:41", "text": ">> Um he"}, {"start": "01:33:37", "end": "01:33:43", "text": "was overtaken by Rome finally"}, {"start": "01:33:41", "end": "01:33:46", "text": ">> and he's like, I don't want to be taken"}, {"start": "01:33:43", "end": "01:33:47", "text": "that by them. I'm going to myself."}, {"start": "01:33:46", "end": "01:33:48", "text": ">> So what he tries to do is poison"}, {"start": "01:33:47", "end": "01:33:50", "text": "himself."}, {"start": "01:33:48", "end": "01:33:53", "text": ">> Oh my. He's been micro doing this whole"}, {"start": "01:33:50", "end": "01:33:54", "text": "[ __ ] He can't get rid of himself by"}, {"start": "01:33:53", "end": "01:33:55", "text": "poisoning."}, {"start": "01:33:54", "end": "01:33:56", "text": ">> Oh yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:55", "end": "01:33:57", "text": ">> He tries tries tries. Nothing is"}, {"start": "01:33:56", "end": "01:33:57", "text": "affecting him."}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:33:59", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:33:57", "end": "01:34:01", "text": ">> He's like, I'm just too good."}, {"start": "01:33:59", "end": "01:34:03", "text": ">> Yeah. That was too good. Dang it."}, {"start": "01:34:01", "end": "01:34:04", "text": ">> So he has his bodyguard."}, {"start": "01:34:03", "end": "01:34:08", "text": ">> Oh my goodness."}, {"start": "01:34:04", "end": "01:34:08", "text": ">> And that is the story of Mithrides."}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:11", "text": ">> Mad honey."}, {"start": "01:34:08", "end": "01:34:13", "text": ">> Wow. It causes double vision, muscular"}, {"start": "01:34:11", "end": "01:34:14", "text": "like like you lose control of"}, {"start": "01:34:13", "end": "01:34:16", "text": "everything. There's like other"}, {"start": "01:34:14", "end": "01:34:18", "text": "neurological stuff and like low blood"}, {"start": "01:34:16", "end": "01:34:20", "text": "pressure. So you're literally just like"}, {"start": "01:34:18", "end": "01:34:22", "text": "can't control yourself and see in two"}, {"start": "01:34:20", "end": "01:34:24", "text": "and you're just like trying to defend"}, {"start": "01:34:22", "end": "01:34:26", "text": "while you know off your rocker."}, {"start": "01:34:24", "end": "01:34:28", "text": ">> There's no such thing as free honey. But"}, {"start": "01:34:26", "end": "01:34:29", "text": "it's apparently it's a honey off of a"}, {"start": "01:34:28", "end": "01:34:30", "text": "certain plant."}, {"start": "01:34:29", "end": "01:34:31", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"start": "01:34:30", "end": "01:34:34", "text": ">> Oh, this is fun. In fact, I forgot to"}, {"start": "01:34:31", "end": "01:34:37", "text": "leave out. He developed a complex"}, {"start": "01:34:34", "end": "01:34:37", "text": "antidote called mythrodatium."}, {"start": "01:34:37", "end": "01:34:39", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "01:34:37", "end": "01:34:42", "text": ">> Um, said to contain dozens of"}, {"start": "01:34:39", "end": "01:34:45", "text": "ingredients, herbs, resins, maybe even"}, {"start": "01:34:42", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "even some snake venom, later adapted by"}, {"start": "01:34:45", "end": "01:34:50", "text": "the Romans into the"}, {"start": "01:34:50", "end": "01:34:57", "text": "how do you say that? Theak theak use for"}, {"start": "01:34:54", "end": "01:34:57", "text": "centuries. So like as an antivenenom."}, {"start": "01:34:57", "end": "01:35:00", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:34:57", "end": "01:35:01", "text": ">> Like for centuries they used his potion."}, {"start": "01:35:00", "end": "01:35:03", "text": ">> Wow."}, {"start": "01:35:01", "end": "01:35:03", "text": ">> To like So if you get poison you take"}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:05", "text": "this stuff."}, {"start": "01:35:03", "end": "01:35:06", "text": ">> Wow. Yeah. Antivenenom dude."}, {"start": "01:35:05", "end": "01:35:09", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:06", "end": "01:35:10", "text": ">> You should start micro doing havirus."}, {"start": "01:35:09", "end": "01:35:11", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. Just start"}, {"start": "01:35:10", "end": "01:35:13", "text": "kissing some rats."}, {"start": "01:35:11", "end": "01:35:15", "text": ">> Yeah. I've been killing rats in my"}, {"start": "01:35:13", "end": "01:35:17", "text": "garage. So bring them in."}, {"start": "01:35:15", "end": "01:35:20", "text": ">> What were you saying? Li"}, {"start": "01:35:17", "end": "01:35:22", "text": ">> I was thinking about cuz my antivenenom."}, {"start": "01:35:20", "end": "01:35:24", "text": "I have um a very overactive imagination"}, {"start": "01:35:22", "end": "01:35:25", "text": "about terrible things that can happen."}, {"start": "01:35:24", "end": "01:35:26", "text": "Maybe it's unresolved postpartum"}, {"start": "01:35:25", "end": "01:35:27", "text": "anxiety."}, {"start": "01:35:26", "end": "01:35:29", "text": ">> Good self-awareness."}, {"start": "01:35:27", "end": "01:35:30", "text": ">> Um, thank you."}, {"start": "01:35:29", "end": "01:35:32", "text": ">> I'm so scared that my children are going"}, {"start": "01:35:30", "end": "01:35:35", "text": "to be bit by a water moccasin at our"}, {"start": "01:35:32", "end": "01:35:36", "text": "lake and that our local hospital won't"}, {"start": "01:35:35", "end": "01:35:38", "text": "have a moxasin antivenenom. I've been"}, {"start": "01:35:36", "end": "01:35:39", "text": "thinking about calling them and asking"}, {"start": "01:35:38", "end": "01:35:41", "text": "them to stock"}, {"start": "01:35:39", "end": "01:35:43", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:41", "end": "01:35:44", "text": ">> antivenenom for moccasins. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:43", "end": "01:35:45", "text": ">> In the event,"}, {"start": "01:35:44", "end": "01:35:47", "text": ">> maybe we could stock it and I could"}, {"start": "01:35:45", "end": "01:35:48", "text": "become a chemist and figure out what"}, {"start": "01:35:47", "end": "01:35:49", "text": "kind of dosage they need for"}, {"start": "01:35:48", "end": "01:35:50", "text": "antivenenom. Um,"}, {"start": "01:35:49", "end": "01:35:52", "text": ">> I think they're gonna have a lot of"}, {"start": "01:35:50", "end": "01:35:54", "text": "questions."}, {"start": "01:35:52", "end": "01:35:54", "text": ">> Poisoning a bunch of kids or something."}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:55", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:35:54", "end": "01:35:57", "text": ">> And I only think about that because of"}, {"start": "01:35:55", "end": "01:35:59", "text": "that gentleman. This is so sad, but and"}, {"start": "01:35:57", "end": "01:36:03", "text": "and friends with Kyle Gray who passed"}, {"start": "01:35:59", "end": "01:36:05", "text": "away because he got malaria and came to"}, {"start": "01:36:03", "end": "01:36:06", "text": "America and they couldn't figure out"}, {"start": "01:36:05", "end": "01:36:07", "text": "what's going on with him. And by the"}, {"start": "01:36:06", "end": "01:36:09", "text": "time they figured out that it was"}, {"start": "01:36:07", "end": "01:36:12", "text": "malaria, it was too late because none of"}, {"start": "01:36:09", "end": "01:36:14", "text": "the hospitals stock a cure for malaria"}, {"start": "01:36:12", "end": "01:36:15", "text": "even though there is a cure. The closest"}, {"start": "01:36:14", "end": "01:36:18", "text": "one was in like Tennessee. And I'm like,"}, {"start": "01:36:15", "end": "01:36:19", "text": "malaria is a huge threat to the world"}, {"start": "01:36:18", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "population. Then why doesn't every"}, {"start": "01:36:19", "end": "01:36:21", "text": "hospital have a malaria cure?"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:23", "text": ">> That's actually"}, {"start": "01:36:21", "end": "01:36:25", "text": ">> or like yeah got a malaria button like"}, {"start": "01:36:23", "end": "01:36:26", "text": ">> I promise you central Florida has"}, {"start": "01:36:25", "end": "01:36:28", "text": "moccasin antib"}, {"start": "01:36:26", "end": "01:36:30", "text": ">> for sure. And if not they would airlift"}, {"start": "01:36:28", "end": "01:36:31", "text": "you to like Orlando where they for sure."}, {"start": "01:36:30", "end": "01:36:31", "text": ">> Is it going to be fast enough? I don't"}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:32", "text": "know."}, {"start": "01:36:31", "end": "01:36:34", "text": ">> Promise you."}, {"start": "01:36:32", "end": "01:36:36", "text": ">> Yeah. It's not it's not like a kind of"}, {"start": "01:36:34", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "thing. It's like your leg starts"}, {"start": "01:36:36", "end": "01:36:37", "text": "swelling up."}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:38", "text": ">> You got time."}, {"start": "01:36:37", "end": "01:36:40", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:36:38", "end": "01:36:43", "text": ">> You got like dudes get like bit hunting"}, {"start": "01:36:40", "end": "01:36:45", "text": "way out in the woods and have time to"}, {"start": "01:36:43", "end": "01:36:47", "text": "keep their heart rate low and get back."}, {"start": "01:36:45", "end": "01:36:48", "text": ">> I'm an extremely paranoid person."}, {"start": "01:36:47", "end": "01:36:49", "text": ">> No. No, she's not."}, {"start": "01:36:48", "end": "01:36:51", "text": ">> I don't think so."}, {"start": "01:36:49", "end": "01:36:54", "text": ">> Speaking of being extremely paranoid, I"}, {"start": "01:36:51", "end": "01:36:58", "text": "want to connect your story of the Leche"}, {"start": "01:36:54", "end": "01:37:00", "text": ">> to Native Alaskan culture across the"}, {"start": "01:36:58", "end": "01:37:01", "text": "Bearing Straight cuz they have something"}, {"start": "01:37:00", "end": "01:37:03", "text": "that's almost identical."}, {"start": "01:37:01", "end": "01:37:05", "text": ">> That's pretty close to Russia."}, {"start": "01:37:03", "end": "01:37:07", "text": ">> That's what I'm saying. And isn't it"}, {"start": "01:37:05", "end": "01:37:09", "text": "weird in a completely different time"}, {"start": "01:37:07", "end": "01:37:11", "text": "across the sea, they have the same"}, {"start": "01:37:09", "end": "01:37:11", "text": "stories of very similar crypted. So,"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:12", "text": "yeah,"}, {"start": "01:37:11", "end": "01:37:14", "text": ">> I'm going to just tell the story. I'll"}, {"start": "01:37:12", "end": "01:37:17", "text": "give you the name later. Um, there's a"}, {"start": "01:37:14", "end": "01:37:19", "text": "fisherman near Sitka. He's native and"}, {"start": "01:37:17", "end": "01:37:21", "text": "he's checking his crab pots. He's going"}, {"start": "01:37:19", "end": "01:37:23", "text": "along the shoreline. Um, and he said"}, {"start": "01:37:21", "end": "01:37:24", "text": "there's like a fog that rolled in. Now,"}, {"start": "01:37:23", "end": "01:37:27", "text": "this is part of their oral tradition."}, {"start": "01:37:24", "end": "01:37:29", "text": "So, there's no name to this man. Um, you"}, {"start": "01:37:27", "end": "01:37:31", "text": "know, take it or leave it, but this is"}, {"start": "01:37:29", "end": "01:37:33", "text": "this is how the story they tell goes."}, {"start": "01:37:31", "end": "01:37:36", "text": "And so, the fog rolls in. He's working."}, {"start": "01:37:33", "end": "01:37:39", "text": "He hears what sounded like a child"}, {"start": "01:37:36", "end": "01:37:42", "text": "crying from the treeine. And so, he"}, {"start": "01:37:39", "end": "01:37:44", "text": "quits with his crabbing. He docks his"}, {"start": "01:37:42", "end": "01:37:45", "text": "boat on the shore. Um, it didn't make"}, {"start": "01:37:44", "end": "01:37:47", "text": "sense. There was no houses, no camps."}, {"start": "01:37:45", "end": "01:37:49", "text": "He's out in the wilderness like far away"}, {"start": "01:37:47", "end": "01:37:50", "text": "from everything. He ignored it at first."}, {"start": "01:37:49", "end": "01:37:52", "text": "He's like, \"Maybe it's like a weird bird"}, {"start": "01:37:50", "end": "01:37:53", "text": "or something that's like just messing"}, {"start": "01:37:52", "end": "01:37:55", "text": "with my head and I heard it weird, but"}, {"start": "01:37:53", "end": "01:37:57", "text": "it gets louder and louder and it seemed"}, {"start": "01:37:55", "end": "01:37:58", "text": "like it was being carried in on the"}, {"start": "01:37:57", "end": "01:38:01", "text": "fog.\" He's like, \"All right, this is"}, {"start": "01:37:58", "end": "01:38:03", "text": "weird.\" Um, so he hears it. This time"}, {"start": "01:38:01", "end": "01:38:05", "text": "it's clear. Um, and then instead of just"}, {"start": "01:38:03", "end": "01:38:07", "text": "a baby crying, he begins to hear a kid's"}, {"start": "01:38:05", "end": "01:38:09", "text": "voice and he's like, and then he he"}, {"start": "01:38:07", "end": "01:38:11", "text": "starts to distinguish language in the in"}, {"start": "01:38:09", "end": "01:38:14", "text": "the sound. He's like, \"It's a kid"}, {"start": "01:38:11", "end": "01:38:15", "text": "calling for help.\" Um, so he walks a"}, {"start": "01:38:14", "end": "01:38:18", "text": "little closer on the shore to the wood"}, {"start": "01:38:15", "end": "01:38:20", "text": "line. He's trying to see into the trees,"}, {"start": "01:38:18", "end": "01:38:22", "text": "like, you know, cautiously, but he's"}, {"start": "01:38:20", "end": "01:38:24", "text": "like, \"What's what's over here?\" And,"}, {"start": "01:38:22", "end": "01:38:26", "text": "uh, the crying stops as he approaches"}, {"start": "01:38:24", "end": "01:38:28", "text": "the trees. And instead of the kid's"}, {"start": "01:38:26", "end": "01:38:30", "text": "voice calling for help, the voice"}, {"start": "01:38:28", "end": "01:38:33", "text": "changes a little, and he heard his"}, {"start": "01:38:30", "end": "01:38:36", "text": "brother's voice clear as day, calling"}, {"start": "01:38:33", "end": "01:38:38", "text": "his name, asking him to come in deeper."}, {"start": "01:38:36", "end": "01:38:40", "text": ">> Oh my goodness. And he's like lives near"}, {"start": "01:38:38", "end": "01:38:42", "text": "his brother, like he's they're they hunt"}, {"start": "01:38:40", "end": "01:38:44", "text": "together or what? doesn't make sense."}, {"start": "01:38:42", "end": "01:38:46", "text": "Doesn't make sense."}, {"start": "01:38:44", "end": "01:38:48", "text": ">> So, that's when he said it hit him. He's"}, {"start": "01:38:46", "end": "01:38:49", "text": "like, it's he said it wasn't like fear,"}, {"start": "01:38:48", "end": "01:38:51", "text": "but just like an uncanny feeling,"}, {"start": "01:38:49", "end": "01:38:53", "text": "basically is how he described it. Um or"}, {"start": "01:38:51", "end": "01:38:56", "text": "how they tell it. More like something"}, {"start": "01:38:53", "end": "01:39:00", "text": "was uh something didn't belong. He later"}, {"start": "01:38:56", "end": "01:39:02", "text": "described as realizing um he was being"}, {"start": "01:39:00", "end": "01:39:05", "text": "he says he was being pulled into the"}, {"start": "01:39:02", "end": "01:39:07", "text": "forest like not physically but there was"}, {"start": "01:39:05", "end": "01:39:08", "text": "this emotional thing that was happening"}, {"start": "01:39:07", "end": "01:39:09", "text": ">> hypnotized"}, {"start": "01:39:08", "end": "01:39:12", "text": ">> where it was like it was like I'm going"}, {"start": "01:39:09", "end": "01:39:13", "text": "to play on every human emotion you have"}, {"start": "01:39:12", "end": "01:39:15", "text": "to make you feel like it's your"}, {"start": "01:39:13", "end": "01:39:17", "text": "responsibility to come deeper into the"}, {"start": "01:39:15", "end": "01:39:18", "text": "woods like that's how it played so it"}, {"start": "01:39:17", "end": "01:39:20", "text": "starts as a baby I need to protect this"}, {"start": "01:39:18", "end": "01:39:22", "text": "baby then it's a kid help I can help a"}, {"start": "01:39:20", "end": "01:39:24", "text": "kid and now it's like okay he's not"}, {"start": "01:39:22", "end": "01:39:26", "text": "coming in let's go personal like I'm"}, {"start": "01:39:24", "end": "01:39:28", "text": "going to use the voice of his brother"}, {"start": "01:39:26", "end": "01:39:31", "text": ">> and that it pulls him deeper in."}, {"start": "01:39:28", "end": "01:39:32", "text": ">> And so right as soon as he like it it"}, {"start": "01:39:31", "end": "01:39:34", "text": "all kind of clicks to him before he"}, {"start": "01:39:32", "end": "01:39:37", "text": "steps in the woods he's like I remember"}, {"start": "01:39:34", "end": "01:39:39", "text": "the stories of my ancestors and uh it's"}, {"start": "01:39:37", "end": "01:39:41", "text": "called the Kushtaka and instead of going"}, {"start": "01:39:39", "end": "01:39:44", "text": "toward the voice turned around got back"}, {"start": "01:39:41", "end": "01:39:46", "text": "in his boat hauled off and uh as soon as"}, {"start": "01:39:44", "end": "01:39:49", "text": "he pushed off he said he saw movement on"}, {"start": "01:39:46", "end": "01:39:51", "text": "the shoreline low dark shapes moving"}, {"start": "01:39:49", "end": "01:39:53", "text": "away that weren't quite human or quite"}, {"start": "01:39:51", "end": "01:39:55", "text": "animal. There wasn't a clear face,"}, {"start": "01:39:53", "end": "01:39:57", "text": "wasn't a clear form. It was just"}, {"start": "01:39:55", "end": "01:39:59", "text": "something watching, but as soon as he"}, {"start": "01:39:57", "end": "01:40:00", "text": "pushed off from the shore, the voices"}, {"start": "01:39:59", "end": "01:40:02", "text": "stopped. So the entire time they were"}, {"start": "01:40:00", "end": "01:40:03", "text": "calling, calling calling and then"}, {"start": "01:40:02", "end": "01:40:05", "text": "getting louder and starting to stir. And"}, {"start": "01:40:03", "end": "01:40:09", "text": "as soon as he pushed away, they gave up."}, {"start": "01:40:05", "end": "01:40:12", "text": "And so there's this legend of a creature"}, {"start": "01:40:09", "end": "01:40:16", "text": "that's uh half like otter, half human,"}, {"start": "01:40:12", "end": "01:40:19", "text": "and can become either fully otter or"}, {"start": "01:40:16", "end": "01:40:22", "text": "fully human or a mix of the two."}, {"start": "01:40:19", "end": "01:40:24", "text": ">> But it's it it kind of does the same"}, {"start": "01:40:22", "end": "01:40:26", "text": "emotional thing. It kind of protects the"}, {"start": "01:40:24", "end": "01:40:28", "text": "forest in the same sort of way. I just"}, {"start": "01:40:26", "end": "01:40:31", "text": "think it's really crazy that they have"}, {"start": "01:40:28", "end": "01:40:33", "text": "the same stories of the same tools to"}, {"start": "01:40:31", "end": "01:40:35", "text": "lure people deeper into the forest in"}, {"start": "01:40:33", "end": "01:40:37", "text": "Alaska with their native people as they"}, {"start": "01:40:35", "end": "01:40:41", "text": "do in Russia with the lei. It's"}, {"start": "01:40:37", "end": "01:40:44", "text": "absolutely insane. Um, and uh I'm trying"}, {"start": "01:40:41", "end": "01:40:47", "text": "to remember the name of the creature."}, {"start": "01:40:44", "end": "01:40:49", "text": "Um, they put them on totems. Um, I don't"}, {"start": "01:40:47", "end": "01:40:52", "text": "know how to say this. Uh, these stories"}, {"start": "01:40:49", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "come from the cling. TLI and GIT people"}, {"start": "01:40:52", "end": "01:40:55", "text": "and other southeastern Alaskan groups."}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:40:59", "text": ">> Cool."}, {"start": "01:40:55", "end": "01:41:02", "text": ">> But these are some of the uh the forms"}, {"start": "01:40:59", "end": "01:41:03", "text": "that are associated with I believe"}, {"start": "01:41:02", "end": "01:41:04", "text": ">> uh scary"}, {"start": "01:41:03", "end": "01:41:07", "text": ">> with these stories."}, {"start": "01:41:04", "end": "01:41:10", "text": ">> That doesn't look like an otter."}, {"start": "01:41:07", "end": "01:41:13", "text": ">> Gosh, scary."}, {"start": "01:41:10", "end": "01:41:15", "text": ">> How about the the the face opening up?"}, {"start": "01:41:13", "end": "01:41:16", "text": ">> Yeah, that is"}, {"start": "01:41:15", "end": "01:41:18", "text": ">> that's terrifying. Could you imagine?"}, {"start": "01:41:16", "end": "01:41:21", "text": "That's not the there's another thing I"}, {"start": "01:41:18", "end": "01:41:23", "text": "had that is connected to that and the"}, {"start": "01:41:21", "end": "01:41:25", "text": "Leche as well. It's in the Appalachian"}, {"start": "01:41:23", "end": "01:41:27", "text": "Mountains and they're they call them"}, {"start": "01:41:25", "end": "01:41:29", "text": "it's basically a broad term but they"}, {"start": "01:41:27", "end": "01:41:30", "text": "call it the don't look at them"}, {"start": "01:41:29", "end": "01:41:32", "text": ">> don't look at it entities."}, {"start": "01:41:30", "end": "01:41:34", "text": ">> Oh my gosh, I'm covered in goosebumps."}, {"start": "01:41:32", "end": "01:41:34", "text": ">> That's that is a great theory for a"}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:37", "text": "home."}, {"start": "01:41:34", "end": "01:41:39", "text": ">> Um but they said the quote is if you"}, {"start": "01:41:37", "end": "01:41:41", "text": "hear something if you hear or sense"}, {"start": "01:41:39", "end": "01:41:43", "text": "something out there don't look at it."}, {"start": "01:41:41", "end": "01:41:45", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Uh, and the common traits of"}, {"start": "01:41:43", "end": "01:41:47", "text": "the don't look at it entities. They call"}, {"start": "01:41:45", "end": "01:41:50", "text": "your name from the woods, mimicking"}, {"start": "01:41:47", "end": "01:41:52", "text": "someone that you know, making strange"}, {"start": "01:41:50", "end": "01:41:55", "text": "noises that uh that are just off the"}, {"start": "01:41:52", "end": "01:41:59", "text": "trail. Um, but these stories come from"}, {"start": "01:41:55", "end": "01:42:02", "text": "like Scot Scotch uh ScotsIrish, English"}, {"start": "01:41:59", "end": "01:42:04", "text": "folklore, German immigrants, and"}, {"start": "01:42:02", "end": "01:42:05", "text": "indigenous Appalachian beliefs."}, {"start": "01:42:04", "end": "01:42:06", "text": ">> Okay."}, {"start": "01:42:05", "end": "01:42:07", "text": ">> So, it's not just like one group of"}, {"start": "01:42:06", "end": "01:42:08", "text": "people."}, {"start": "01:42:07", "end": "01:42:09", "text": ">> Yeah. It's everybody that lived in"}, {"start": "01:42:08", "end": "01:42:09", "text": "Appalachia then."}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:11", "text": ">> Yeah. um"}, {"start": "01:42:09", "end": "01:42:13", "text": ">> like immigrated or born."}, {"start": "01:42:11", "end": "01:42:17", "text": ">> But basically these things they they"}, {"start": "01:42:13", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "mimic people um and if you look at them"}, {"start": "01:42:17", "end": "01:42:19", "text": "people disappear."}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:21", "text": ">> Oh my gosh."}, {"start": "01:42:19", "end": "01:42:22", "text": ">> And what's so creepy too is that like I"}, {"start": "01:42:21", "end": "01:42:23", "text": "think we've talked about it before the"}, {"start": "01:42:22", "end": "01:42:25", "text": "Appalachian Mountains are like some of"}, {"start": "01:42:23", "end": "01:42:26", "text": "the oldest mountains in the world."}, {"start": "01:42:25", "end": "01:42:27", "text": ">> They're scary. A lot of scary tales"}, {"start": "01:42:26", "end": "01:42:29", "text": "dude."}, {"start": "01:42:27", "end": "01:42:33", "text": ">> And so it's like you get these stories"}, {"start": "01:42:29", "end": "01:42:36", "text": "primarily from the Europe Asia area,"}, {"start": "01:42:33", "end": "01:42:37", "text": "right? That was they believe at some"}, {"start": "01:42:36", "end": "01:42:39", "text": "point the Appalachian Mountains were"}, {"start": "01:42:37", "end": "01:42:41", "text": "like a part of like up there by England"}, {"start": "01:42:39", "end": "01:42:43", "text": "and stuff and it just split."}, {"start": "01:42:41", "end": "01:42:45", "text": ">> Wow. Shut the front door."}, {"start": "01:42:43", "end": "01:42:46", "text": ">> So it's like could something have been"}, {"start": "01:42:45", "end": "01:42:49", "text": "carried over?"}, {"start": "01:42:46", "end": "01:42:53", "text": ">> This dude don't even know about Pangia"}, {"start": "01:42:49", "end": "01:42:54", "text": "about Pangia. Um but yeah, they they"}, {"start": "01:42:53", "end": "01:42:57", "text": "have a couple theories of like what they"}, {"start": "01:42:54", "end": "01:42:58", "text": "could be. They call like spirits or"}, {"start": "01:42:57", "end": "01:43:00", "text": "hints. Is that a thing?"}, {"start": "01:42:58", "end": "01:43:02", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Yes, we talked about that"}, {"start": "01:43:00", "end": "01:43:04", "text": "from sinners. She thought it was a hint,"}, {"start": "01:43:02", "end": "01:43:06", "text": "but it turns out to be vampires."}, {"start": "01:43:04", "end": "01:43:08", "text": ">> Yeah, it's a hint. But there's um"}, {"start": "01:43:06", "end": "01:43:12", "text": "listen, I was telling you the other day"}, {"start": "01:43:08", "end": "01:43:14", "text": "about the southern porches. It's a a"}, {"start": "01:43:12", "end": "01:43:17", "text": "thing, an old thing that we would do as"}, {"start": "01:43:14", "end": "01:43:19", "text": "southerners. You paint the ceiling of"}, {"start": "01:43:17", "end": "01:43:21", "text": "your porch blue"}, {"start": "01:43:19", "end": "01:43:23", "text": ">> to protect from hints. What's a hint?"}, {"start": "01:43:21", "end": "01:43:25", "text": "Can somebody cover that next week?"}, {"start": "01:43:23", "end": "01:43:28", "text": ">> I hate"}, {"start": "01:43:25", "end": "01:43:28", "text": ">> um also that's silly cuz we got we got"}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:30", "text": "Jesus."}, {"start": "01:43:28", "end": "01:43:31", "text": ">> I got that blood above my door frame."}, {"start": "01:43:30", "end": "01:43:32", "text": ">> Oh. scared"}, {"start": "01:43:31", "end": "01:43:34", "text": ">> and my windows are crooked."}, {"start": "01:43:32", "end": "01:43:36", "text": ">> But the indigenous people believe that"}, {"start": "01:43:34", "end": "01:43:38", "text": "they were forest spirits, trickster"}, {"start": "01:43:36", "end": "01:43:40", "text": "beings, or territorial entities, which"}, {"start": "01:43:38", "end": "01:43:42", "text": "lines up with Teleti and this thing."}, {"start": "01:43:40", "end": "01:43:44", "text": ">> Don't they call them mimics, too? Isn't"}, {"start": "01:43:42", "end": "01:43:45", "text": "that something out of Appalachia?"}, {"start": "01:43:44", "end": "01:43:46", "text": ">> Yes, dude. Did you see that video?"}, {"start": "01:43:45", "end": "01:43:48", "text": ">> That's very scary."}, {"start": "01:43:46", "end": "01:43:51", "text": ">> Did you see that video of the girl? I"}, {"start": "01:43:48", "end": "01:43:54", "text": "bet it was made up, but it haunted me"}, {"start": "01:43:51", "end": "01:43:55", "text": "for so long. And Josh had seen it, too."}, {"start": "01:43:54", "end": "01:43:57", "text": "And I couldn't even get the words out. I"}, {"start": "01:43:55", "end": "01:43:59", "text": "was so scared to talk to him about it."}, {"start": "01:43:57", "end": "01:44:03", "text": "But the girl was in her barn at"}, {"start": "01:43:59", "end": "01:44:05", "text": "nighttime in Appalachia feeding like her"}, {"start": "01:44:03", "end": "01:44:06", "text": "cow or her pig."}, {"start": "01:44:05", "end": "01:44:09", "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah."}, {"start": "01:44:06", "end": "01:44:10", "text": ">> And she pan she's she hears a wrestle."}, {"start": "01:44:09", "end": "01:44:16", "text": "She pans up. Oh my gosh. I'm scared"}, {"start": "01:44:10", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "talking. She pans up and it's her in the"}, {"start": "01:44:16", "end": "01:44:18", "text": "corner facing the wall like Blair Witch"}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:20", "text": "Project."}, {"start": "01:44:18", "end": "01:44:23", "text": ">> Blair Witch baby."}, {"start": "01:44:20", "end": "01:44:23", "text": ">> And she goes and she's like backing up"}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:24", "text": "and running out."}, {"start": "01:44:23", "end": "01:44:25", "text": ">> She runs her car."}, {"start": "01:44:24", "end": "01:44:27", "text": ">> She runs to her car."}, {"start": "01:44:25", "end": "01:44:28", "text": ">> Car doesn't start. doesn't start."}, {"start": "01:44:27", "end": "01:44:29", "text": ">> Oh no."}, {"start": "01:44:28", "end": "01:44:30", "text": ">> And they all the comments are like,"}, {"start": "01:44:29", "end": "01:44:32", "text": "\"That's a mimic. That's a mimic.\" And"}, {"start": "01:44:30", "end": "01:44:34", "text": "I'm like, \"Josh, it's a mimic.\""}, {"start": "01:44:32", "end": "01:44:36", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:44:34", "end": "01:44:38", "text": ">> And there's there's What's the rule for?"}, {"start": "01:44:36", "end": "01:44:39", "text": "Is it don't look at it or is there"}, {"start": "01:44:38", "end": "01:44:41", "text": "something I think there's a rule with"}, {"start": "01:44:39", "end": "01:44:43", "text": "mimics? Like you're not allowed to talk"}, {"start": "01:44:41", "end": "01:44:44", "text": "to them or call There's something."}, {"start": "01:44:43", "end": "01:44:45", "text": ">> It was the opposite. I thought you did"}, {"start": "01:44:44", "end": "01:44:46", "text": "call them out."}, {"start": "01:44:45", "end": "01:44:46", "text": ">> I can't remember. Like I know what you"}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:49", "text": "are."}, {"start": "01:44:46", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. I'd say I repeat Jesus."}, {"start": "01:44:49", "end": "01:44:51", "text": ">> Yeah. The cross."}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:53", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:44:51", "end": "01:44:54", "text": ">> I'm looking I'm looking it up."}, {"start": "01:44:53", "end": "01:44:57", "text": ">> Yeah. We'll we'll dive into mimics and"}, {"start": "01:44:54", "end": "01:44:58", "text": "hates. I feel like that's a good a good"}, {"start": "01:44:57", "end": "01:44:59", "text": "little"}, {"start": "01:44:58", "end": "01:45:01", "text": ">> sounds like it's so close to a"}, {"start": "01:44:59", "end": "01:45:02", "text": "derogatory term,"}, {"start": "01:45:01", "end": "01:45:03", "text": ">> doesn't it?"}, {"start": "01:45:02", "end": "01:45:04", "text": ">> Yeah, it feels bad to say it."}, {"start": "01:45:03", "end": "01:45:06", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:45:04", "end": "01:45:06", "text": ">> I uh I will take an anti-anxiety for"}, {"start": "01:45:06", "end": "01:45:07", "text": "that episode."}, {"start": "01:45:06", "end": "01:45:08", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:45:07", "end": "01:45:09", "text": ">> So, warn me ahead of time."}, {"start": "01:45:08", "end": "01:45:11", "text": ">> Speaking of anti-anxiety for an episode,"}, {"start": "01:45:09", "end": "01:45:14", "text": "we got an episode right after this,"}, {"start": "01:45:11", "end": "01:45:16", "text": "folks, on patreon.com/ninjas or"}, {"start": "01:45:14", "end": "01:45:17", "text": "butterflies. Our dolphins are aliens."}, {"start": "01:45:16", "end": "01:45:19", "text": "Half episodes, baby."}, {"start": "01:45:17", "end": "01:45:21", "text": ">> Yes, we talk about things that we didn't"}, {"start": "01:45:19", "end": "01:45:22", "text": "cover on here. It's a little more fun, a"}, {"start": "01:45:21", "end": "01:45:24", "text": "little more relaxed. Lily lets"}, {"start": "01:45:22", "end": "01:45:25", "text": "everything fly on there. Yes, it's"}, {"start": "01:45:24", "end": "01:45:27", "text": "Patreon, babe."}, {"start": "01:45:25", "end": "01:45:27", "text": ">> It's Patreon. And guess what I'm gonna"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:28", "text": "be talking about?"}, {"start": "01:45:27", "end": "01:45:31", "text": ">> What you going to talk about?"}, {"start": "01:45:28", "end": "01:45:33", "text": ">> So, last week on our Patreon episode,"}, {"start": "01:45:31", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "our homeboy Keith, he gave us these uh"}, {"start": "01:45:33", "end": "01:45:36", "text": "these Metazoo cards. They're cryptids."}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:39", "text": ">> Yes."}, {"start": "01:45:36", "end": "01:45:41", "text": ">> And uh we pulled a pack yesterday and I"}, {"start": "01:45:39", "end": "01:45:43", "text": "chose a crypted out of it to talk about."}, {"start": "01:45:41", "end": "01:45:44", "text": ">> So, and I'm going to pull more."}, {"start": "01:45:43", "end": "01:45:46", "text": ">> Hey, every week."}, {"start": "01:45:44", "end": "01:45:47", "text": ">> Every week."}, {"start": "01:45:46", "end": "01:45:50", "text": ">> Uh Lily,"}, {"start": "01:45:47", "end": "01:45:51", "text": ">> I'm going to talk about Elvis being an"}, {"start": "01:45:50", "end": "01:45:55", "text": "oult wizard."}, {"start": "01:45:51", "end": "01:45:56", "text": ">> Oo. All right. I like that."}, {"start": "01:45:55", "end": "01:45:57", "text": ">> Um, so yeah, guys, go to"}, {"start": "01:45:56", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "patreon.com/ninjas"}, {"start": "01:45:57", "end": "01:45:59", "text": "orb butterflies."}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:00", "text": ">> Uh,"}, {"start": "01:45:59", "end": "01:46:02", "text": ">> we got some things happening there in"}, {"start": "01:46:00", "end": "01:46:04", "text": "the next couple weeks, next month. Yeah,"}, {"start": "01:46:02", "end": "01:46:04", "text": "some changes are going to be happening."}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:07", "text": "Good changes."}, {"start": "01:46:04", "end": "01:46:09", "text": ">> Good changes. Really awesome changes."}, {"start": "01:46:07", "end": "01:46:11", "text": ">> Unless you're an editor."}, {"start": "01:46:09", "end": "01:46:13", "text": ">> Um, but uh hopefully we got a new shirt"}, {"start": "01:46:11", "end": "01:46:16", "text": "coming through. Dolphins Aliens. That'd"}, {"start": "01:46:13", "end": "01:46:17", "text": "be kind of fun. Yeah. So, um,"}, {"start": "01:46:16", "end": "01:46:18", "text": ">> go ahead."}, {"start": "01:46:17", "end": "01:46:18", "text": ">> Go."}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:20", "text": ">> Your turn."}, {"start": "01:46:18", "end": "01:46:22", "text": ">> Go to go to"}, {"start": "01:46:20", "end": "01:46:24", "text": ">> sendagwag.com."}, {"start": "01:46:22", "end": "01:46:25", "text": "Get Ninja merch. If you uh love the"}, {"start": "01:46:24", "end": "01:46:28", "text": "podcast, you're gonna love our merch."}, {"start": "01:46:25", "end": "01:46:30", "text": ">> Or if you your organization, your"}, {"start": "01:46:28", "end": "01:46:32", "text": "company, whatever, orders custom"}, {"start": "01:46:30", "end": "01:46:34", "text": "apparel, custom t-shirts, hats,"}, {"start": "01:46:32", "end": "01:46:37", "text": "stickers, whatever. Go to sundaycool.com"}, {"start": "01:46:34", "end": "01:46:38", "text": "and start your order today. You go to a"}, {"start": "01:46:37", "end": "01:46:40", "text": "school, you you know somebody that runs"}, {"start": "01:46:38", "end": "01:46:41", "text": "a business. You go to your favorite"}, {"start": "01:46:40", "end": "01:46:44", "text": "restaurant. They sell merch and hats and"}, {"start": "01:46:41", "end": "01:46:46", "text": "stuff. Guess what? Tell them about"}, {"start": "01:46:44", "end": "01:46:48", "text": "Sunday school. Let us print their shirts"}, {"start": "01:46:46", "end": "01:46:48", "text": "and their hats and their stickers. We"}, {"start": "01:46:48", "end": "01:46:50", "text": "can do it."}, {"start": "01:46:48", "end": "01:46:51", "text": ">> Everybody's had like that conversation"}, {"start": "01:46:50", "end": "01:46:53", "text": "where like, \"Oh, that'd be sick on a"}, {"start": "01:46:51", "end": "01:46:55", "text": "shirt. Cool thing is we have artists"}, {"start": "01:46:53", "end": "01:46:58", "text": "here. So all you have to do is say I"}, {"start": "01:46:55", "end": "01:46:59", "text": "want this on a shirt and we can do it."}, {"start": "01:46:58", "end": "01:47:01", "text": "Well said, Andrew."}, {"start": "01:46:59", "end": "01:47:02", "text": ">> Yes. Yes."}, {"start": "01:47:01", "end": "01:47:02", "text": ">> What do you have to say"}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:04", "text": ">> about Sunday cool?"}, {"start": "01:47:02", "end": "01:47:04", "text": ">> About anything?"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:05", "text": ">> Um"}, {"start": "01:47:04", "end": "01:47:09", "text": ">> final words."}, {"start": "01:47:05", "end": "01:47:10", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. Happy to be here."}, {"start": "01:47:09", "end": "01:47:11", "text": "Happy to be alive."}, {"start": "01:47:10", "end": "01:47:11", "text": ">> Accepting award."}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:13", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "01:47:11", "end": "01:47:14", "text": ">> Hey, I want to plug this real quick."}, {"start": "01:47:13", "end": "01:47:16", "text": "Well, I'll give you some time. You"}, {"start": "01:47:14", "end": "01:47:18", "text": "ready? You got like 15 seconds. No, you"}, {"start": "01:47:16", "end": "01:47:21", "text": "got you 15 seconds to come up with your"}, {"start": "01:47:18", "end": "01:47:23", "text": "words. I think you guys might have"}, {"start": "01:47:21", "end": "01:47:25", "text": "encountered a mimic as I'm reading what"}, {"start": "01:47:23", "end": "01:47:26", "text": "they do and I'm gonna talk about it on"}, {"start": "01:47:25", "end": "01:47:28", "text": "Patreon."}, {"start": "01:47:26", "end": "01:47:28", "text": "Fun."}, {"start": "01:47:28", "end": "01:47:30", "text": ">> All right."}, {"start": "01:47:28", "end": "01:47:33", "text": ">> All right. We love you. Jesus loves you."}, {"start": "01:47:30", "end": "01:47:34", "text": "We'll see you on Patreon."}, {"start": "01:47:33", "end": "01:47:37", "text": ">> Not even joking."}, {"start": "01:47:34", "end": "01:47:39", "text": ">> Oh my gosh. I don't even know if I want"}, {"start": "01:47:37", "end": "01:47:41", "text": ">> what you're about to see."}, {"start": "01:47:39", "end": "01:47:43", "text": ">> Can I disturb you?"}, {"start": "01:47:41", "end": "01:47:46", "text": ">> If any of you know what these"}, {"start": "01:47:43", "end": "01:47:47", "text": "multi-deade UAPs are, aliens."}, {"start": "01:47:46", "end": "01:47:50", "text": ">> Have a heart attack when you see your"}, {"start": "01:47:47", "end": "01:47:51", "text": "life. Bottlenose fish."}, {"start": "01:47:50", "end": "01:47:52", "text": ">> There's a massive police responder."}, {"start": "01:47:51", "end": "01:47:53", "text": ">> Oh, the dolphin thing."}, {"start": "01:47:52", "end": "01:47:57", "text": ">> Oh my god."}, {"start": "01:47:53", "end": "01:47:57", "text": ">> Dolphin style attack."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "St. Mary from Egypt. She was a very"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "promiscuous young lady. Fornication all"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:08", "text": "in the holy city of Jerusalem. She comes"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "to the church of the holy supplr where"}, {"start": "00:00:08", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "the cross is going. Doors open. She goes"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "to walk in. She cannot pass through the"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "doorway. She looks and she sees an icon"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "of Mary and Jesus. Instantly hears all"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "of her sin and she says, \"I repent. I"}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "won't do this anymore.\" She devotes her"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "whole life to just serving Christ. 40"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "years later, there was this priest"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "during Holy Week. He would walk through"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:31", "text": "the desert outside of Jerusalem. First"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "he sees this figure in the desert and"}, {"start": "00:00:31", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "there was a woman. She knew everything"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "about him. He said that she was so wise"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "in the scriptures and she says I don't"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "know how to read or write. Mary has"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": "taught me everything about Christ."}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> Holy moly."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> She said for 17 years I was battling"}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "with lust until it finally broke. And so"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "now my whole life is just dedicated to"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "Christ. All I ask of you, you don't come"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "back out here until next year and please"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "bring me Eucharist, the Holy Communion"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "cuz for I've never taken it. Comes back"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "after a year. She takes communion for"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": "the first time. a year later comes back,"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "finds her dead in the exact same spot,"}, {"start": "00:01:01", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "but in the ground written beside her"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "says the date of which she died and uh"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:10", "text": "bury me here. So, she had been laying in"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "that spot for a whole year after taking"}, {"start": "00:01:10", "end": "00:01:13", "text": "communion, but her body was completely"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:15", "text": "uncorrupted, but the ground was just"}, {"start": "00:01:13", "end": "00:01:18", "text": "super hard and super rocky. Lion walks"}, {"start": "00:01:15", "end": "00:01:20", "text": "up to Mary and licks her feet and he"}, {"start": "00:01:18", "end": "00:01:21", "text": "says, \"Surely the Lord has sent you. Can"}, {"start": "00:01:20", "end": "00:01:24", "text": "you help me dig this hole?\" Immediately"}, {"start": "00:01:21", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "the lion digs the hole. He buries Mary."}, {"start": "00:01:24", "end": "00:01:28", "text": "And so what? Yeah."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Anthony the Great of Egypt, the father"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:06", "text": "of monasticism, 270 AD-ish."}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:07", "text": ">> What a wild world."}, {"start": "00:00:06", "end": "00:00:10", "text": ">> Crazy. But he's like, \"I'm just going to"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:11", "text": "go live as a monk.\" He founded a vacant"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "tomb. Basically, someone followed him"}, {"start": "00:00:11", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "out there. He's like, \"I'm just going to"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "live in here, and if you could just"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "bring me bread every now and then.\" He"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "lived in this tomb, and the stories that"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "he tells and that people tell around"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "Anthony the Great are insane. At one"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:24", "text": "point, he literally battled the devil"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "himself. So, this one story, these"}, {"start": "00:00:24", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "demons just start tormenting him in this"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "tomb. And they literally beat him up so"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "bad to where he almost died. They start"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "attacking him more and more. And at this"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "point, he'd just been praying [music]"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "and praying. And this is such a cool"}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "quote."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": ">> \"Our trust in the Lord is like a seal to"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "us and like a wall of safety.\" And as"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "soon as he said that,"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "the ceiling just opened up. The whole"}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:51", "text": "cave was shaking, and just a piercing"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "light came in. All the demons fled, and"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:55", "text": "God spoke to him, \"Because you have"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:57", "text": "endured and have not been defeated, I"}, {"start": "00:00:55", "end": "00:00:58", "text": "will always be your helper, and I will"}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "make your name known everywhere.\""}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:02", "text": ">> Wow. He inspired thousands and thousands"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:03", "text": "and thousands of monks."}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:04", "text": ">> Yeah."}, {"start": "00:01:03", "end": "00:01:08", "text": ">> And almost 2,000 years later, we're"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "talking about him still in his story."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "Kalupalik, the monster below who never"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "blinks because it's constantly watching"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "and it only presies on little children."}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "You're in the Arctic. It's freezing"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "cold. The people in the village are"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "always very clear. Do not go on the thin"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "ice. Do not go to the edge of the water."}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "This little boy is out on an adventure"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "with his dog and they're walking around"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "and suddenly he hears a tap and there's"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "no one around. It's just him and his"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:26", "text": "dog. He keeps following the sound of"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "this tap. So he gets to the edge of the"}, {"start": "00:00:26", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "water cuz he thinks there might be"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:33", "text": "somebody under there. He looks over and"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "then suddenly a long scaly slimy hand"}, {"start": "00:00:33", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "grabs his ankle, pulls him into the"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "water."}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> The dog starts panicking trying to grab"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "at him. He tries to grab at the dog. The"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "kid goes underwater. The dog runs back"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": "to the village, starts barking like"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:47", "text": "crazy. They realize the kid's not with"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "him. So, they follow this dog. The dog's"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "going absolutely nuts and he takes him"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "to the edge of the water. He's literally"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:54", "text": "looking at the water barking. And they"}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "realize this may have been a visit from"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:59", "text": "what they call the kalupalik, which is a"}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:01:00", "text": "humanoid aquatic creature. And it's been"}, {"start": "00:00:59", "end": "00:01:02", "text": "passed down through generations in"}, {"start": "00:01:00", "end": "00:01:04", "text": "indigenous culture all over. This"}, {"start": "00:01:02", "end": "00:01:06", "text": "creature lives under the ice near"}, {"start": "00:01:04", "end": "00:01:08", "text": "shorelines in dark, shallow coastal"}, {"start": "00:01:06", "end": "00:01:11", "text": "waters. Apparently, it feeds off their"}, {"start": "00:01:08", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "youth so she can never age. This is a"}, {"start": "00:01:11", "end": "00:01:14", "text": "very scary story for little children."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "The most mysterious whale, the 52 herz"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "whale, also called the loneliest whale,"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "what they presume is a whale, cuz they"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "actually don't know. One of the most"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "fascinating and mysterious in marine"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "biology. And at 52 hertz, nothing can"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "hear it. So, nothing can respond to it"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "either. They've never been able to get a"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "visual of it, but they've been listening"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "to it for decades in the Pacific."}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "They're doing military sonar scanning"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "the ocean floor, and they picked up on"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "what sounded like a whale, but"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "registering at 52 hertz. And so they're"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "like, \"What is this thing?\" They assume"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "that maybe it's a hybrid whale, maybe a"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "mix between a blue whale and a fin"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "whale, which they apparently can"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:40", "text": "interbreed, which is fascinating. What's"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "crazy is that the migration patterns"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "follow the whales migration patterns."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> That's cool."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> There's no proof of it except for the 52"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:49", "text": "Herz audio that they've recorded from"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "the ocean, and it's just like deep, dark"}, {"start": "00:00:49", "end": "00:00:52", "text": "ocean where they're just getting this"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "very high pitch whale noise. Yeah."}, {"start": "00:00:52", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> What if it's like an alien ship, though?"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": "I don't No whale."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:03", "text": "People are reporting that CERN turned"}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": "back on. I just found some really"}, {"start": "00:00:03", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "interesting things. There's a kernel of"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:10", "text": "truth that gets stretched. Particle"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:13", "text": "collisions create conditions similar to"}, {"start": "00:00:10", "end": "00:00:15", "text": "the early universe. Physics talks about"}, {"start": "00:00:13", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "things like quantum fields, extra"}, {"start": "00:00:15", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "dimensions, virtual particles popping in"}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:20", "text": "and out of existence. That's the"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:22", "text": "definition of portal."}, {"start": "00:00:20", "end": "00:00:25", "text": ">> There was this one scientist that did"}, {"start": "00:00:22", "end": "00:00:28", "text": "talk about she saw like a ghostly"}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:29", "text": "apparition happening within the tube"}, {"start": "00:00:28", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "while it was happening. There was this"}, {"start": "00:00:29", "end": "00:00:34", "text": "viral video years ago of a ritual"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:36", "text": "outside of CERN that turned out to be a"}, {"start": "00:00:34", "end": "00:00:37", "text": "staged prank by employees, not a real"}, {"start": "00:00:36", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "experiment or event."}, {"start": "00:00:37", "end": "00:00:40", "text": ">> That's crazy."}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:41", "text": ">> No, they were doing a ceremony in front"}, {"start": "00:00:40", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "of the god Shiva."}, {"start": "00:00:41", "end": "00:00:43", "text": ">> That's scary stuff."}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:45", "text": ">> CERN is creepy to me."}, {"start": "00:00:43", "end": "00:00:47", "text": ">> What if they end up being successful and"}, {"start": "00:00:45", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "then they create a universe inside of"}, {"start": "00:00:47", "end": "00:00:50", "text": "our Earth?"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:51", "text": ">> That's a true worry or fear that they"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "could create a black hole"}, {"start": "00:00:51", "end": "00:00:54", "text": ">> that we just get sucked into"}, {"start": "00:00:53", "end": "00:00:56", "text": ">> and that we would"}, {"start": "00:00:54", "end": "00:00:57", "text": ">> That seems like pretty instant."}, {"start": "00:00:56", "end": "00:00:58", "text": ">> I don't know."}, {"start": "00:00:57", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> We wouldn't feel it."}, {"start": "00:00:58", "end": "00:01:01", "text": ">> Maybe. Maybe it has to grow though."}]

[{"start": "00:00:00", "end": "00:00:04", "text": "I got to TELL YOU ABOUT AN ISLAND."}, {"start": "00:00:02", "end": "00:00:05", "text": ">> THIS IS A STORY ABOUT a good man who"}, {"start": "00:00:04", "end": "00:00:07", "text": "owns an island. This is tiny private"}, {"start": "00:00:05", "end": "00:00:09", "text": "island outside Long Island between New"}, {"start": "00:00:07", "end": "00:00:12", "text": "York and Connecticut, owned by a man"}, {"start": "00:00:09", "end": "00:00:14", "text": "named Dean Cayman, who also was the"}, {"start": "00:00:12", "end": "00:00:17", "text": "inventor of the Segue. This guy became"}, {"start": "00:00:14", "end": "00:00:19", "text": "uber uber rich, became super successful."}, {"start": "00:00:17", "end": "00:00:21", "text": "This guy buys this island, just"}, {"start": "00:00:19", "end": "00:00:23", "text": "completely turns it into his own"}, {"start": "00:00:21", "end": "00:00:25", "text": "country. He declared it the kingdom of"}, {"start": "00:00:23", "end": "00:00:27", "text": "North Dumpling."}, {"start": "00:00:25", "end": "00:00:30", "text": "He declared himself the king. He created"}, {"start": "00:00:27", "end": "00:00:32", "text": "his own flag, his own constitution,"}, {"start": "00:00:30", "end": "00:00:35", "text": "established laws. He had a treaty with"}, {"start": "00:00:32", "end": "00:00:38", "text": "the president at the time, George HW"}, {"start": "00:00:35", "end": "00:00:39", "text": "Bush. Bush visited this island, came to"}, {"start": "00:00:38", "end": "00:00:42", "text": "the island, he gave him a tour, they"}, {"start": "00:00:39", "end": "00:00:44", "text": "shook hands, and he said that US would"}, {"start": "00:00:42", "end": "00:00:46", "text": "not invade and he would remain"}, {"start": "00:00:44", "end": "00:00:48", "text": "completely independent."}, {"start": "00:00:46", "end": "00:00:50", "text": ">> Wow. They had a handshake agreement"}, {"start": "00:00:48", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "treaty right then and there that he's on"}, {"start": "00:00:50", "end": "00:00:53", "text": "his"}]